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| 00:05.58 | jorgenpt | ScaredyCat, sagacis: Do you have any experience about the PM in Qtopia? |
| 00:08.07 | ljp | suspend/resume not working in qtopia yet |
| 00:08.29 | ljp | have to figure out why the mode starts spitting out junk |
| 00:08.48 | ljp | screen dimming/blank should work in the snapshots |
| 00:09.10 | ljp | why the modem spits out junk, that is |
| 00:09.32 | ljp | and the good neo should be back today or tomorrow |
| 00:10.20 | jorgenpt | 'Good neo'? |
| 00:14.21 | sagacis | jorgenpt: Suspend is not good. I turned it off. The battery lasted for about 5-6 hrs with the screen sleeping. |
| 00:14.58 | ljp | good neo = v4. bad neo = v3 :) |
| 00:15.07 | sagacis | boy, I should read the responses already posted! |
| 00:15.16 | sagacis | Trust ljp's responses related to qtopia |
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| 00:20.44 | sagacis | ljp, you'll have another major release tomorrow? |
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| 00:22.04 | ljp | I meant source code snapshots |
| 00:22.34 | ljp | I want to get suspend/resume worked out before I release an update |
| 00:22.49 | ljp | I think someone is creating flash images from the snapshots |
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| 00:23.51 | jorgenpt | ljp: I think ScaredyCat is |
| 00:24.07 | jorgenpt | ljp: Since you're a dev; is there any way to delete a single character of a word you're writing? |
| 00:24.28 | jorgenpt | ljp: And do you plan to do some change so that the virtual kb doesn't "hide" the inputfield you're writing to? |
| 00:24.48 | jorgenpt | sagacis: Thanks for your reply. |
| 00:25.07 | cesarb | ljp: I think I heard some discussion about the modem spitting out junk on suspend here some months ago... |
| 00:25.12 | ljp | jorgenpt: just talked to the inputmethod guy about that |
| 00:25.23 | sagacis | cesarb is back! I have overlay questions. |
| 00:25.40 | cesarb | sagacis: well, I've been here for several hours already ;-) |
| 00:25.41 | jorgenpt | ljp: What part? Also out of curiousity, where are you guys located? |
| 00:25.48 | cesarb | sagacis: I just like idling ;-) |
| 00:25.56 | ljp | jorgenpt: what do you mean by 'hide the inputfield'? |
| 00:26.02 | sagacis | I dug a hole the back yard. Didn't see much going on, so started overlay testing.... |
| 00:26.06 | ljp | jorgenpt: Brisbane, Australia |
| 00:26.18 | jorgenpt | ljp: In certain parts of the GUI the keyboard pops up and covers the inputfield |
| 00:26.19 | sagacis | It's already monday there, eh? |
| 00:26.30 | mmazur | yup |
| 00:26.36 | mmazur | jorgenpt, had that too. |
| 00:26.44 | sagacis | me three |
| 00:26.45 | ljp | yes, its Monday |
| 00:26.52 | jorgenpt | IIRC it was e.g. in the "new contact" dialog |
| 00:27.13 | cesarb | I had the keyboard covering the input field in the bluetooth configuration dialog |
| 00:27.41 | cesarb | combined with the fact that the keyboard is somewhat nonintuitive, it was really confusing |
| 00:27.49 | jorgenpt | Seconded, cesarb |
| 00:28.11 | ljp | cesarb: but it's easy to learn, and once you do, it is really good |
| 00:28.29 | jorgenpt | ljp: "first run" or something should pop up a quick howto, perhaps? |
| 00:28.52 | jorgenpt | cesarb: AFAIK it just allows you to miss a character, and still get the right word |
| 00:29.07 | ljp | it does predict, its just really good at it |
| 00:29.08 | sagacis | cesarb: I made the overlay, according to your instructions... Then, I'll copy neod over as files/openmoko2/neod_svn.bb |
| 00:29.16 | jorgenpt | cesarb: Like, if you want to type "hello", but instead hit "hrllo" (since r is next to e) |
| 00:29.32 | sagacis | cesarb: YOu can also type "xxxx" and get hello,usually ;-) |
| 00:29.34 | cesarb | ljp: oh, and having to do "moving" actions instead of only clicking actions is not so good when you don't have a stylus at hand (i.e., where's my backspace and enter keys???) |
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| 00:30.10 | ljp | cesarb: ove up or down on the left or righthand side to get other characters |
| 00:30.15 | cesarb | jorgenpt: ah, but what if what I wanted to type was "carro", for instance? It would guess something absolutely random |
| 00:30.33 | cesarb | jorgenpt: trying to type "Neo1973" as the bluetooth name for the phone drove me nuts |
| 00:30.35 | sagacis | cesarb: Just use the magnify. It doesn't guess. (hold over each key until the baloon is there) |
| 00:30.39 | ljp | you can select one character by holding down |
| 00:30.55 | jorgenpt | sagacis: Sounds slow |
| 00:31.04 | jorgenpt | Should be able to disable predict, though |
| 00:31.07 | sagacis | how many characters do you want to type? |
| 00:31.11 | cesarb | ljp: yeah, I eventually found that out... which slows things down considerably (press, hoooold, press, hoooold, press...) |
| 00:31.30 | sagacis | Maybe it could detect finger vs stylus? |
| 00:31.35 | ljp | beats tapping 4 times on a button to get Z |
| 00:32.05 | sagacis | cesarb: Once I have the neod_svn.bb, what am I suppsed to do to get the files? |
| 00:32.07 | cesarb | ljp: what I want is to type _two_ times for each character, on two separate places, but _fast_. |
| 00:32.44 | cesarb | sagacis: ? |
| 00:33.05 | sagacis | cesarb: in the overlay. there are no source code refrences in neod_svn.bb |
| 00:33.32 | cesarb | sagacis: first, shouldn't it be copied to local/packages/openmoko2? or did you use a different structure for your overlay? |
| 00:33.45 | sagacis | Nope, I did that. |
| 00:33.49 | jorgenpt | ljp: And there's a MAJOR flaw in your software, btw. |
| 00:33.56 | jorgenpt | ljp: Snake doesn't work with the stylus. :( |
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| 00:34.39 | sagacis | Yup. That's a show-stopper! |
| 00:35.00 | sagacis | cesarb: I'm just not sure what I'm supposed to do after I have the .bb file there. |
| 00:35.22 | cesarb | sagacis: add your patches to the SRC_URI (as it's already doing with two of them) |
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| 00:35.33 | dcordes | jorgenpt: possibly accerlometer-snake? |
| 00:35.44 | jorgenpt | dcordes: Wow, that would be awesome ;P |
| 00:35.51 | cesarb | sagacis: and place them on the correct directory so SRC_URI will pick them up |
| 00:35.52 | sagacis | uh, oh. I don't see any there. |
| 00:36.08 | cesarb | SRC_URI += "file://htc.patch;patch=1 \ file://ipaq.patch;patch=1" |
| 00:36.10 | dcordes | I bet there will be accerlometer-games flood when gta02 arrives |
| 00:36.19 | ljp | jorgenpt: yes it does. the screen is divided up into sections. tap on a section to turn that way.. i.e. right side to turn right |
| 00:36.31 | sagacis | cesarb: Hmm... I don't have that line. I understand what you are saying, but perhaps my .bb isn't up to date. |
| 00:36.38 | cesarb | sagacis: notice these two patches are in the neod directory right next to the recipe file |
| 00:36.45 | jorgenpt | It says "perss select key to start", ljp. Where's the select key? (I tried aux) |
| 00:36.52 | sagacis | Nope, not for me. |
| 00:36.57 | sagacis | cesarb: let me update |
| 00:37.20 | jorgenpt | s/perss/press/ |
| 00:37.35 | ljp | ahh. ok. they took out the select button.. hang on let me go talk to the snake guy |
| 00:37.53 | cesarb | sagacis: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2007-September/009148.html |
| 00:37.54 | jorgenpt | I wonder if it's in his title. |
| 00:38.03 | jorgenpt | "Senior Snake Engineer" |
| 00:38.23 | sagacis | or just "Snake Charmer" |
| 00:38.28 | jorgenpt | I find the "lock phone" a thing of beauty. |
| 00:38.39 | sagacis | cesarb: My 'make update' has been failing. I wonder how long that's been broken. |
| 00:38.42 | jorgenpt | to be a* |
| 00:38.47 | sagacis | It's gorgeous |
| 00:38.56 | sagacis | In fact, it's my favorite part of qtopia |
| 00:38.56 | SpeedEvil | Snake lubricant extraction operative? |
| 00:39.14 | cesarb | sagacis: what's the error message? |
| 00:39.19 | sagacis | "error 2" |
| 00:39.21 | jorgenpt | Anyway, good night. |
| 00:39.38 | sagacis | No patches in series; make: *** [stamps/openembedded] Error 2 |
| 00:39.40 | cesarb | sagacis: I'm guessing then it's ENOENT |
| 00:39.52 | cesarb | ah, if it's from make it's the error exit from something |
| 00:40.04 | jorgenpt | (I do miss a terminal, though) |
| 00:40.05 | cesarb | sagacis: check some lines above till you find the real error message |
| 00:40.32 | cesarb | jorgenpt: they have said you can use ssh, but so far failed to tell how to get a ssh client ;-) |
| 00:40.36 | ljp | jorgenpt: hmm. snake guys on holidays, so I will fix that |
| 00:40.48 | sagacis | cesarb http://pastebin.com/m7adb84a8 |
| 00:41.29 | jorgenpt | ljp: Whopee :-) |
| 00:41.32 | jorgenpt | cesarb: ;-) |
| 00:41.42 | jorgenpt | cesarb: If you ssh into it, you can ssh out of it! ;-P |
| 00:42.05 | jorgenpt | ssh gta01 ssh $(hostname) uname -a # !11 |
| 00:42.06 | cesarb | sagacis: looks like you have an empty patches/openembedded-HEAD/series |
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| 00:42.56 | jorgenpt | ljp: Do you btw know if Qtopia drains your battery if you do "Shutdown device", and just leave it? (i.e. not removing battery for 10-15 seconds and reinserting it) |
| 00:43.10 | cesarb | sagacis: a svn status in the patches directory should tell you if you have any local changes worth of note in that directory |
| 00:43.26 | sagacis | I don't have anything in that directory. |
| 00:43.33 | ljp | jorgenpt: I heard that works good |
| 00:43.36 | sagacis | just an empy series file |
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| 00:43.55 | jorgenpt | sagacis: Any experience on that matter? |
| 00:43.58 | jorgenpt | ljp: Thanks :) |
| 00:44.02 | cesarb | sagacis: the problem _is_ the empty series file! |
| 00:44.10 | cesarb | sagacis: quilt doesn't seem to like it |
| 00:44.47 | sagacis | did have a patch in the root series file. I've removed that and trying again. |
| 00:45.38 | cesarb | jorgenpt: I can see qtopia *will* drain down your battery after a shutdown |
| 00:45.51 | sagacis | jorgenpt: I tested it. It did. |
| 00:45.57 | cesarb | jorgenpt: a grep for the magic 'AT@POFF' in the source code returns nothing, and without it it will drain the battery |
| 00:46.16 | cesarb | jorgenpt: I'd guess they also don't do the other needed thing, turning off the amp (Amp Mode to Off in the mixers) |
| 00:46.43 | cesarb | jorgenpt: only doing both these things before shutting down the battery won't drain (yeah, there's a kernel patch to do the second one automatically floating in bugzilla) |
| 00:46.44 | sagacis | cesarb: Did someone make a new init.d/gsmd to fix that? |
| 00:47.01 | cesarb | sagacis: mwester was playing with that, wasn't him? |
| 00:47.19 | alphabeat | will hsdpa be introduced in a later model? |
| 00:47.22 | sagacis | I think so. I was pretty tired at the time. I did it, too last night |
| 00:47.28 | sagacis | but I don't think I kept anything. |
| 00:47.31 | jorgenpt | cesarb: Ah, okay. :-) |
| 00:48.13 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Application_Development_FAQ]] |
| 00:48.24 | sagacis | Yup, that's my change |
| 00:48.28 | jorgenpt | Anyway, good night. :-) |
| 00:48.34 | sagacis | night jorgenpt |
| 00:48.42 | jorgenpt | Thanks for your replies. :) |
| 00:48.55 | cesarb | ljp: you can add to trolltech's internal bug tracker to add code to send the AT@POFF before shutdown on qtopia, right? ;-) |
| 00:49.37 | sagacis | cesarb: monotone.openembedded.org isnt' talking to me any more. |
| 00:49.40 | cesarb | ljp: (the amp mode is probably best left to a kernel patch... but you can do that too if you don't want to wait) |
| 00:49.52 | cesarb | sagacis: looks like Murphy is with you today ;-) |
| 00:50.03 | sagacis | Yup. |
| 00:50.20 | jorgenpt | ljp: Hm, does / will qtopia automagically manage alsa-states to switch between headset and handset when you connect / disconnect such? |
| 00:50.39 | sagacis | cesarb: OK, so the patch directory level should be at that level, then (inside the neod directory)? |
| 00:50.44 | cesarb | sagacis: for now, just look at how they did on http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2007-September/009148.html and add the SRC_URI yourself |
| 00:51.08 | jorgenpt | sagacis: I "just had to" do something before I hit the sack. :p |
| 00:51.14 | sagacis | cesarb: Thanks. I will. |
| 00:51.18 | cesarb | sagacis: yep. usually it's either "files" or a directory with the same name as the package, but some recipes can (and do) change it |
| 00:51.51 | cesarb | sagacis: if there is already a directory for the patches, it's best to follow suit; else, it's simpler to just use the generic "files" |
| 00:51.55 | jorgenpt | Anyway, I'll find the answer in my backlog tomorrow. *yawn* Guess I can showcase qtopia to my geek-coworkers tomorrow at the meeting, ;-) |
| 00:51.58 | sagacis | no joy. Still crashing at the same place. |
| 00:52.18 | sagacis | Everybody loves the screen lock |
| 00:52.41 | cesarb | sagacis: the openembedded/patches/series error? you can fix that by removing the series file... (if it's empty, it should make no difference) |
| 00:54.01 | cesarb | (rwhitby added code to short-circuit the quilt part when that file doesn't exist) |
| 00:59.12 | ljp | jorgenpt: it _should_ |
| 00:59.54 | cesarb | ljp: btw, is sound working already? ;-) |
| 01:00.14 | ljp | cesarb: yes, and no. |
| 01:00.15 | sagacis | cesarb: I had to delete series files from ALL patch subdirectories |
| 01:01.30 | ljp | snake is fixed |
| 01:02.40 | sagacis | phew. That will improve qtopia a lot! |
| 01:02.43 | sagacis | :D |
| 01:03.33 | ljp | :) |
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| 01:58.37 | sagacis | yay, build completed. |
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| 02:25.08 | Squares | Hey, i am looking to write a program, whats the best way to do this with out having the phone? |
| 02:25.08 | aloril | Squares: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 02:27.35 | sagacis | Squares, you can emulate the phone with qemu. Use the mokomakefile to get started |
| 02:28.12 | Squares | Yeah i setup qemu but it was ridiculously slow |
| 02:28.48 | Mek | the next best step is to use some nested x server and compile antive for your development system... |
| 02:29.18 | sagacis | he means "native" |
| 02:29.49 | Mek | hmm.. yeah... I guess I should have started sleeping a few hours ago... |
| 02:30.12 | Squares | Yeah like running it a nested it will be compiled for x86 right? |
| 02:30.29 | sagacis | Squares, right. Which is fine for app development. |
| 02:30.49 | sagacis | Xoo and Xypher provide some levels of "emulation" |
| 02:33.48 | Squares | Ok, it just uses Gtk? how does it handle the window just full screen leaving the top + bottom bars? |
| 02:34.46 | sagacis | Not sure. I haven't done that yet. Working at the daemon level. Look at examples. |
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| 02:35.34 | Squares | k thanks |
| 02:35.38 | Mek | it seems to happen automatically, but you might also want to compile libmokoui2 natively... |
| 02:36.50 | Squares | ? |
| 02:37.18 | Mek | the full-screen stuff happend without having to write any special code when I ran my gtk2 app in the openmoko/qemu thing.. |
| 02:38.08 | Squares | so you just created a window and it went to the proper size |
| 02:38.51 | Mek | yeah... |
| 02:41.24 | Squares | Have any of you got a phone how long did it take to ship? |
| 02:42.07 | Mek | I ordered one a week ago, and received a payment/it will be shipped soon confirmation 3 days ago |
| 02:42.53 | Mek | but I haven't received it yet of course :) |
| 02:43.14 | Squares | Cool i know this is the development release but can you use it to make calls and such? |
| 02:49.57 | sagacis | I've had a phone for a while now. |
| 02:50.09 | sagacis | You can make a call, but usually the gsmd crashes at the end. |
| 02:50.18 | sagacis | Sometimes you can receive a call succesfully, too. |
| 02:50.21 | sagacis | It's not really ready. |
| 02:52.12 | Squares | so i was thinking of buying this for developing, and maybe use it to but no? |
| 02:52.30 | sagacis | It's good for developing and maybe use, but I carry a backup phone. |
| 02:52.41 | sagacis | You can use qtopia on it if you want it to be a regular phone for now. |
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| 02:54.18 | Squares | well how hard is it to switch back and forth to qtopia, if its hard to do ill just keep the phone i have now and just use it for dev |
| 02:54.56 | Mek | apparently it is possible to have both installed and just reboot to get from one to the other or back... |
| 02:55.09 | sagacis | It's even easier, really. |
| 02:55.32 | sagacis | I run moko, shut down the X server and the gsmd, then run qtopia. |
| 02:55.36 | sagacis | No reboot required. |
| 02:56.09 | sagacis | Of course, getting back is harder without ssh, since qtopia doesn't have a terminal window. |
| 02:57.31 | Squares | k but i could use that while im at school and switch over at home to work on it |
| 02:58.05 | sagacis | Yup. qtopia has some problems, too, but some of them should be repaired in a day or two |
| 02:58.35 | Squares | so for the most part its ready |
| 02:59.29 | sagacis | I had problem switching cells while on the road. You will also have to manually set up the sound (until the next release). |
| 02:59.41 | sagacis | The "snakes" game doesn't work. ;-) |
| 02:59.45 | sagacis | A few other things |
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| 03:01.14 | Squares | How bout the screen on it, if i put it in my jeans is it going to scratch? |
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| 03:05.51 | sagacis | Probably not. It's pretty deep. It also comes with a neoprene bag |
| 03:06.03 | sagacis | Don't put keys in the same pocket |
| 03:07.48 | Squares | Ok |
| 03:08.35 | sagacis | I'm getting "invalid magic" on my ipkgs and my md5sums don't match. ideas? |
| 03:15.36 | sagacis | guess not |
| 03:21.39 | sagacis | crap. Updated, now I don't boot. |
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| 03:36.31 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 03:57.19 | juri_ | programmer torture DDR: start a big compile job. play ddr. take breaks when the compile breaks. you're done DDRing when your 75 minute compile goes through. |
| 03:58.39 | cesarb | juri_: http://xkcd.com/303/ |
| 03:59.08 | roh | juri_ oh.. then the openmoko-devels would become athletes... my build takes 300minutes and i think thats quite fast |
| 04:00.20 | juri_ | cesarb: i like the current one myself. :) |
| 04:00.53 | cesarb | juri_: "EMP cannon"? :-) |
| 04:00.57 | juri_ | roh: now you know why i don't compile openmoko stuffs.. i'm still working at getting past minute 45 for the fourth time tonight. :) |
| 04:01.32 | juri_ | cesarb: you got it. my cannon is primed. :) |
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| 04:09.14 | DemDem | Hey guys. I'm trying to setup OpenMOKO with the MokoMakefile and after downloading and running "make setup" I get "bin/sh: svn: not found" and the next line "make: *** [setup-patches] Error 127" Any ideas? I'm on Ubuntu 7.04 |
| 04:10.01 | rwhitby | DemDem: did you follow the instructions on installing all the dependencies for OE on your disto? |
| 04:10.03 | rwhitby | distro? |
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| 04:11.01 | rwhitby | cause you're missing subversion. |
| 04:11.16 | DemDem | Yea. All I could find that wasnt installed was GCC3.4 and the help2man. I double checked but let me run through everything again. |
| 04:11.27 | rwhitby | if it's not already listed for your distro in http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro, then please add it on that page. |
| 04:13.19 | DemDem | Thanks I didnt see that! |
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| 04:27.54 | summatusmentis | is there anyone here who speaks finnish? |
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| 04:55.38 | CM | summatusmentis: I think there's even an openmoko-fi channel |
| 05:02.11 | DemDem | Thanks rwhitby that link! It fixed what I was missing. |
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| 05:18.07 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 05:39.34 | Yasumoto | heya guys, I'm trying to run openmoko under ubuntu gutsy beta, do you recommend using the mokomakefile and qemu? |
| 05:41.52 | jserv-- | Yasumoto, it works here. |
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| 05:46.05 | summatusmentis | CM: really? I don't speak finnish at all, I was just curious as to what the word for computer was :-D |
| 05:47.15 | CM | summatusmentis: Heh.. I can't remember for sure, but I think it was tietokone |
| 05:47.23 | CM | Tieto is data |
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| 05:48.29 | Yasumoto | jserv--: yeah, I just got it up and running :) |
| 05:48.43 | jserv-- | Yasumoto, cool. |
| 05:49.15 | Yasumoto | I've been running into some issues, but wanted to see if anyone had any other ways that they were emulating it |
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| 05:59.36 | DemDem | Getting another error. The main parts are on the last few lines. Here's a txt of the run. http://sunflower.com/~tornmorals/mokoerr.txt |
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| 06:00.34 | CM | DemDem: Do you only have gcc-4.x installed? |
| 06:00.37 | DemDem | I dont have 4.x gcc even installed. So the warning to disable --disable-gcc-check would be appreciated on where to place it. |
| 06:00.44 | CM | Oh, strange |
| 06:01.21 | DemDem | yea... that's what I was thinking, also why I think it's probably safe to disable the check. |
| 06:01.41 | CM | Sure |
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| 06:01.59 | CM | You'd have to change that in the qemu configure though |
| 06:02.39 | CM | I have both gcc 3.4.6 and 4.2.1 installed, and there's no problem getting qemu to build |
| 06:03.31 | DemDem | Himm... I'll look on how to do so. I was figureing it was in the makefile and find a compile option. Gish I'm a nub. |
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| 06:06.26 | CM | DemDem: I'm not at home in the bitbake stuff either, but I'm sure you should take a look at the qemu .bb file and add the configure option there |
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| 06:48.13 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Gsmd/document]] |
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| 06:57.38 | Lord_Pall | what's gta02? wifi/3g? or something else? |
| 06:57.39 | aloril | Currently sold Neo1973 GTA01B_v04 (P1) doesn't have WiFi, GTA02 (P2) which is scheduled for October will have WiFi with free (libre) drivers (Atheros AR6K): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F |
| 06:57.44 | Lord_Pall | ha |
| 06:58.52 | viq | Lord_Pall: the "production-ready" model. no 3g, no edge. wifi, gprs, bluetooth. |
| 06:59.07 | Lord_Pall | gotcha |
| 06:59.18 | Lord_Pall | im in dire need of a phone.. yargh |
| 06:59.33 | Lord_Pall | Had a motorolo f3 which ruled but i think it fell in a gutter and washed away or something |
| 06:59.41 | Lord_Pall | so now i'm looking at the other end of the spectrum |
| 07:00.54 | viq | don't expect usable phone here before december. gta01 (development model) "kinda works" |
| 07:01.10 | Lord_Pall | yah. that's what I garnered |
| 07:01.18 | Lord_Pall | to be honest it can't be worse than that motorola. |
| 07:01.19 | Lord_Pall | heh |
| 07:01.47 | viq | "calling sometimes works"? ;) |
| 07:01.58 | Lord_Pall | ha. sounds like a treo 600 |
| 07:02.07 | Lord_Pall | "won't hang up ever" |
| 07:02.25 | viq | and did you have to use AT commands from terminal to make calls? ;) |
| 07:02.34 | Lord_Pall | haha. that's awesome |
| 07:02.57 | viq | geek factor x10 ;P |
| 07:03.03 | Lord_Pall | maybe i'll buy an iphone and unlock it.. that feels wrong though |
| 07:03.14 | viq | and updates brick them |
| 07:03.17 | rwhitby | temporarily unlock is ... |
| 07:03.19 | Lord_Pall | yeah that's fine |
| 07:03.32 | Lord_Pall | you have to manually install the updates i think |
| 07:03.41 | Lord_Pall | the thing that's stopping me is the 2.5g vs. 3 |
| 07:03.44 | CM | Lord_Pall: I'd say the biggest problem with the Neo right now is power management |
| 07:03.45 | Lord_Pall | well that and I don't need it |
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| 07:05.03 | Lord_Pall | hmm. well crap. I hate cell phones... |
| 07:05.03 | viq | time to relocate, see you later |
| 07:05.06 | Lord_Pall | adios |
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| 07:19.26 | josch | Hi! I think I found a bug in the perl install - could somebody confirm this by running a little perl script (three lines) I wrote to test this issue? |
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| 07:37.26 | viq | Lord_Pall: why do you hate cell phones? |
| 07:38.35 | zash` | all cellphones suck! |
| 07:38.40 | zash` | some sucks less |
| 07:38.57 | jsmanrique | :-) |
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| 07:48.50 | viq | zash`: "mutt of cell phones"? ;) |
| 07:49.09 | zash` | jäh! |
| 07:49.27 | zash` | nokia 3310! ;D |
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| 07:50.14 | Beauty | hi |
| 07:50.20 | zash` | hopefully phones will suck less with openmoko on them :D |
| 07:50.34 | zash` | Beauty: oh hello |
| 07:50.42 | Beauty | hello |
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| 07:51.37 | Beauty | i have gone through that wiki makefile thing so far and magaged to build a image and a rootfs |
| 07:51.55 | Beauty | i also managed to dfu-util it to the neo |
| 07:52.01 | Beauty | but i cant open the dialer |
| 07:52.05 | Beauty | why? |
| 07:52.24 | Beauty | afk |
| 07:52.55 | _diego_ | beauty: how do you lunch the dialer? |
| 07:53.14 | Beauty | lunch? |
| 07:53.23 | Beauty | no thx |
| 07:53.40 | Beauty | i just want to make a call now |
| 07:53.57 | Beauty | why doesnt it work? |
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| 07:54.54 | Beauty | there is a button with a phone icon that i click on |
| 07:55.06 | Beauty | but nothing happens |
| 07:56.02 | ShakataGaNai | I wrote a bit about the openmoko (and versus the iphone), thought I'd share and see if anyone had any comments for me: http://snowulf.com/index.php?/archives/435-Why-everyone-should-stop-hackingcomplaining-about-the-iPhone.html |
| 07:56.45 | Beauty | Error 403 |
| 07:57.03 | guaqua | works for me |
| 07:58.20 | meus | i get 403 here aswell |
| 07:58.33 | zash` | Beauty: the dialer segfaults in qemu when i tried last time |
| 07:58.34 | ShakataGaNai | That's odd, maybe the url is getting trunc'd: http://tinyurl.com/2ztng9 |
| 07:58.58 | Beauty | quaqua where are you? - it just cant work for you |
| 07:59.24 | ShakataGaNai | Try again - humor me |
| 07:59.36 | Beauty | zash - yes i understand - what can i do to make it work? |
| 08:00.33 | Beauty | this link now works |
| 08:00.48 | ShakataGaNai | Thanks |
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| 08:04.28 | Lord_Pall | yay. time to go towork |
| 08:04.42 | cjb_ie | seconded :/ |
| 08:04.49 | Lord_Pall | i think its cold out too |
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| 08:04.51 | Lord_Pall | and i have to bike |
| 08:04.52 | Lord_Pall | blech |
| 08:05.01 | cjb_ie | ditto :) |
| 08:05.11 | Lord_Pall | uk? |
| 08:05.11 | cjb_ie | well, i could drive, but cycling's quicker |
| 08:05.16 | cjb_ie | .ie |
| 08:05.21 | Lord_Pall | where's ie? |
| 08:05.31 | cjb_ie | little bit to the left :) ireland |
| 08:05.33 | Lord_Pall | ah |
| 08:05.34 | Lord_Pall | heh |
| 08:05.38 | Lord_Pall | no car here |
| 08:05.43 | Lord_Pall | dont really need one though |
| 08:07.43 | Ralph | well so how can I get this UI working finally? |
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| 08:08.10 | Lord_Pall | okay i'm off. good luck all |
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| 08:09.19 | Ralp1 | any suggestions? |
| 08:09.19 | aloril | Ralp1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 08:09.46 | Ralp1 | thx aloril |
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| 08:16.16 | Ghiottone|work | g'day |
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| 08:33.23 | Any_Key | morning all |
| 08:35.44 | Any_Key | is somebody here with GTA hardware willing to check some touchscreen issue, maybe bug |
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| 08:40.54 | CM | Any_Key: In about 7h or so I can, once I get home from work ;) |
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| 08:47.28 | Any_Key | CM, need to run ts_harvest and then look into ts_harvest.out, little boring, but looks like touch screen output some random or out of screen size values, |
| 08:47.44 | Any_Key | CM, I get it under qemu |
| 08:48.26 | Any_Key | CM, you can first run ts_print to check |
| 08:48.54 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Gsmd/document]] |
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| 08:50.05 | Any_Key | CM I got smtn like -73 or 812 as coordinates, funny |
| 08:51.02 | Any_Key | CM not all the time, but one of 30-50 on fast clicks |
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| 08:57.59 | CM | Any_Key: Normally I have my neo on all the time and can ssh to it from work, but I've been out of town for 5 days and just got back. I'll look at that when I get home |
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| 09:08.14 | Ralph | allright guys |
| 09:08.25 | Ralph | i wanted to setup my QEMU |
| 09:08.39 | Ralph | i did what i found in the wiki so far |
| 09:08.52 | CM | Using the MokoMakefile or just run a previously compiled image? |
| 09:09.26 | Ralph | no no - just what http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU says |
| 09:09.41 | CM | Ok |
| 09:09.55 | Ralph | i have allready some experience with makefile and flashing to the neo with dfu-util |
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| 09:10.07 | Ralph | now i want to start it on QEMU |
| 09:10.23 | CM | make qemu-image ; make run-qemu? |
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| 09:10.47 | Ralph | so now wen i get to the step "openmoko/flash" i get this: |
| 09:10.55 | Ralph | Please wait, programming the NAND flash... |
| 09:10.55 | Ralph | sleep: ungültiges Zeitintervall „setenv“ |
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| 09:11.15 | Ralph | sleep: ungültiges Zeitintervall „dontask“ |
| 09:11.15 | Ralph | sleep: ungültiges Zeitintervall „y“ |
| 09:11.15 | Ralph | sleep: ungültiges Zeitintervall „nand“ |
| 09:11.20 | Ralph | and on an on |
| 09:11.36 | Ralph | well maybe it has to do with my using an amd64? |
| 09:11.50 | CM | Hmm.. There has been some people talking about an error in the flashing. But removing one line in the flash script fixed it. I think it's in bugzilla somewhere |
| 09:12.03 | ScaredyCat | for qemu - yes.. |
| 09:12.05 | Ralph | oh ok |
| 09:12.17 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hey there :) |
| 09:12.21 | Ralph | maybe you know the bug#? |
| 09:12.21 | ScaredyCat | iirc its the bit where is rebuilds the bbt |
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| 09:12.33 | ScaredyCat | welcome back CM, you slacker ;) |
| 09:12.42 | Ralph | ill go find it - thx |
| 09:13.26 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hehe.. I haven't slacked that much.. Even managed to find a new job. :D |
| 09:13.58 | CM | Anything happened in Moko-land? Something suddenly working, like gsmd or so? |
| 09:14.18 | Ralph | hey CM! wellcome |
| 09:14.25 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 09:14.39 | ScaredyCat | CM: you can't get a new job until my V8 is ready :D |
| 09:14.45 | Ralph | i cant find a bug at bugzilla that is related to my problem |
| 09:15.27 | CM | ScaredyCat: They even stopped production completely last friday, problems with a new supplier of fueltanks.. Not good at all, our prognoses are getting delayed! |
| 09:15.34 | CM | :P |
| 09:15.45 | Any_Key | CM thanx alot |
| 09:16.03 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
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| 09:18.23 | Ralph | CM: I am in that flash.sh looking at uboot() { |
| 09:18.42 | Ralph | somehow sleep gets the wrong args |
| 09:19.03 | Ralph | but it look ok the way it is written here |
| 09:19.17 | Ralph | sleep $2 |
| 09:19.48 | Ralph | when it is called with uboot $uboot_image 300 " ...." |
| 09:20.12 | Ralph | the only thing could be that there is no $uboot_image |
| 09:20.24 | Ralph | or $uboot_image="" |
| 09:20.58 | Ralph | than 300 is the $1 and all the other stuff like "setenv dontask y ..." is $2 |
| 09:21.10 | Ralph | hmm |
| 09:21.36 | CM | Ralph: You already know more than me about that now :) |
| 09:21.55 | Ralph | well when i found it - ill tell you |
| 09:22.40 | Ralph | Using '' as the kernel image. |
| 09:22.40 | Ralph | Using '' as the root filesystem image. |
| 09:22.40 | Ralph | Using '' as bootloader. |
| 09:22.46 | Ralph | thats the problem here |
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| 09:23.28 | Ralph | cant find where the vars are defined here |
| 09:24.42 | Ralph | oh! its that they should be defined in the enviroment |
| 09:29.32 | Ralph | IT DOSENT WORK WHAT THIS WIKI TELLS ME - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU |
| 09:29.37 | gordonsyme | Ralph: the vars are set in build/qemu/openmoko/flash.sh in the most_recent function. This function searches images/openmoko for images if you do a make-qemu or make flash-qemu-official. It searches build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01 if you do a make flash-qemu-local |
| 09:29.43 | dneary | Hi |
| 09:29.51 | dneary | mickey|portugal: About? |
| 09:30.08 | Ralph | openmoko/download.sh just downloads "index.html" stuff |
| 09:30.34 | gordonsyme | If you don't have a kernel, uboot image and rootfs in the appropriate directory you'll get the messages about "Using '' as the ..." |
| 09:30.42 | XorA | dneary: he is on proper holiday |
| 09:30.44 | Ralph | and the openmoko/flash.sh dont work without the enviroment set probably |
| 09:31.00 | dneary | XorA: Really? wow! well done :) |
| 09:31.27 | Ralph | so you need to "Makefile" and build it from there - am I right? |
| 09:31.45 | gordonsyme | build/qemu/openmoko/flash.sh sources build/qemu/openmoko/env which should set the environment up. The easiest way to get qemu going is to use the MokoMakefile |
| 09:32.04 | gordonsyme | since you have to invoke scripts from directories other than the dirs that contain the scripts... |
| 09:32.26 | Ralph | gordon: i am doing the make qemu right now - from my moko development enviremont |
| 09:32.40 | Ralph | my point is that that WIKI just is wrong |
| 09:32.45 | Ralph | it wont work |
| 09:33.56 | gordonsyme | Ralph: I never bothered to follow the wiki, any time I've done things manually I've always used the Makefile as my reference |
| 09:34.10 | gordonsyme | I suppose you could always fix it, it is a wiki after all :) |
| 09:34.27 | Ralph | we should write this in to that wiki, shoundn't we? |
| 09:34.45 | gordonsyme | Well the Makefile is already mentioned before the manual instructions |
| 09:34.58 | Ralph | yes - but than that wiki is pointless - delete it! :) |
| 09:35.27 | Ralph | better: tell how to really get it to work |
| 09:35.34 | Ralph | however |
| 09:36.08 | Ralph | btw - i get the same error now with "make qemu" ;) |
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| 09:37.13 | gordonsyme | Have you gotten some kernel/uboot/rootfs files in the relevant directory? |
| 09:41.46 | Ralph | well - here is the thing |
| 09:42.15 | Ralph | when you do make qemu - it builds it and than trys that flashing which fails |
| 09:42.38 | Ralph | but - if you then just dont worry and do make flash-qemu-local - it will work |
| 09:43.47 | Ralph | so it is a bit disturbing - i would kill that other wiki and tell the people to use this here instead: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_QEMU_with_MokoMakefile |
| 09:44.05 | Ralph | because this one finally does work |
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| 09:53.58 | CM | Ok, webkit fails to build again.. Any tip of what I should rebuild so I don't have to recompile everything? http://rafb.net/p/nrmzcb31.html |
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| 09:58.05 | roh | CM make update |
| 09:58.17 | roh | oe had a fix (version bump for webkit) |
| 09:58.33 | CM | Ok, thanks |
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| 10:02.09 | gordonsyme | Ralph: this is symptomatic of not having downloaded the official images! |
| 10:03.07 | gordonsyme | When you run make-qemu it tries to flash the official images which are kept in a different directory to the local ones. If you don't have the official images (for whatever reason) then it will fail like this. Maybe the official download site is unreachable? |
| 10:03.19 | Ralph | yes - i found that on the other WIKI-side |
| 10:03.43 | Ralph | well - update the WIKI :) |
| 10:03.56 | gordonsyme | I've been trying to tell you this for a while now... |
| 10:04.17 | gordonsyme | I can't update the wiki. I have a day job which I'm doing right now, only coming to IRC when it's compiling |
| 10:04.22 | Ralph | i have qemu up and running already |
| 10:04.31 | Ralph | i c |
| 10:04.48 | Ralph | i added a little hint there |
| 10:04.55 | Ralph | - for a workaround |
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| 10:07.33 | Ralph | anyone knows why oss fails in the qemu? |
| 10:07.34 | Ralp1 | http://rafb.net/p/eFcl2r62.html |
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| 10:46.07 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03chris * r3062 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): |
| 10:46.07 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: |
| 10:46.07 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Change the way events are synthesised to enable dragging (and thus |
| 10:46.09 | CIA-23 | openmoko: text selection) in a scroll widget |
| 10:48.53 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0]] [[Gsmd/document]] [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[E17]] |
| 10:50.39 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03chris * r3063 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): |
| 10:50.39 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: |
| 10:50.39 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Remove active debug statements |
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| 11:06.06 | CM | :) http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 11:07.04 | CVirus | xkcd ftw |
| 11:09.43 | ewon | agreed |
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| 11:25.48 | CM | roh: updating didn't help building webkit. icu seems broken, that's the problem: http://rafb.net/p/bYBFra42.html |
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| 11:26.51 | wibbit | Does any one know if there has been any movement on the GPS issue, regarding chipsets? |
| 11:27.15 | CM | You mean for GTA02? |
| 11:27.30 | CVirus | wibbit: I don't have GPS support in my country ... just release the Ne01973 ffs :-p |
| 11:27.58 | wibbit | CVirus: really? I hadn't realised it was not available in all countries |
| 11:28.05 | gambler | i tried the neo sw...its shit |
| 11:28.24 | CVirus | wibbit: it's not in Egypt |
| 11:28.41 | cesarb | CVirus: don't the USian GPS sattelites hover over the whole globe? |
| 11:28.47 | wibbit | CVirus: So, in Egypt, there is NO gps coverage? |
| 11:29.00 | wibbit | I thought GPS coverage was global |
| 11:29.10 | gambler | it is |
| 11:29.13 | gambler | hence the first letter 'g' |
| 11:29.15 | CVirus | it is global |
| 11:29.37 | wibbit | CVirus: so what do you mean when you say, you don't have gps support? |
| 11:29.55 | CVirus | wibbit: as far as I know ... we don't |
| 11:30.02 | wibbit | hmmm |
| 11:30.07 | Fatal | what? |
| 11:30.18 | CVirus | we don't have maps in Egypt |
| 11:30.23 | CVirus | for* |
| 11:30.36 | wibbit | Ahhh, okay, you have GPS but no map data |
| 11:30.39 | wibbit | that's different |
| 11:30.44 | CVirus | yeah |
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| 11:31.01 | cesarb | CVirus: it would be a good time to start a OSM movement ;-) |
| 11:31.50 | CVirus | cesarb: yeah .. I might start an initiative on EgLUG.org or sumthing |
| 11:32.16 | cjb_ie | CVirus: i could be tempted to come over for a mapping party :) |
| 11:32.37 | CVirus | wow .. cool :-D |
| 11:33.16 | cjb_ie | www.openstreetmap.org if you weren't already aware of it |
| 11:36.28 | viq | cjb_ie: I was trying to remember that to mention it ;) |
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| 11:40.25 | wibbit | Does openstreetmap use googlemaps underneath? |
| 11:41.33 | Linux_Galore | Hmm theres a phones hardly anyone mentions, the Nokia 7710 |
| 11:41.45 | Fatal | it's not a phone |
| 11:41.52 | Fatal | oh |
| 11:41.52 | Fatal | sorry |
| 11:42.19 | Linux_Galore | heh, I nearly made the same mistake until I googled it |
| 11:42.50 | Linux_Galore | aparently there are people running Linux on the things |
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| 11:48.40 | Linux_Galore | Another interesting Linux phone, this one is one is German http://www.road-gmbh.de/deutsch/02_01_S101.html |
| 11:49.09 | Linux_Galore | s/is one// |
| 11:51.16 | ewon | that's been vaporware for ages |
| 11:51.37 | CM | unfortunately |
| 11:51.51 | CM | 26mm is quite thick too |
| 11:52.18 | Linux_Galore | yeah, HTC's offering would eat that thing for lunch |
| 11:52.25 | cjb_ie | i'd still be very tempted if it weren't vapourware |
| 11:52.29 | Linux_Galore | offerings* |
| 11:52.57 | Linux_Galore | some of the new HTC phones are actually pretty good |
| 11:53.04 | Linux_Galore | shame about the OS |
| 11:53.15 | cjb_ie | Linux_Galore: speaking as someone who migrated from a nokia 9000i to a handspring visorphone to a sonyericsson p910i - proper keyboard is very very nice to have |
| 11:54.04 | Linux_Galore | yeah, I notice a few models with slider qwerty keyboards now |
| 11:54.13 | Linux_Galore | even Toshiba make one |
| 11:54.34 | wibbit | I like the Nokia e70 phone, and how they have dealt with the qwerty keyboard |
| 11:54.45 | cjb_ie | yeah, that's quite cunning |
| 11:55.00 | wibbit | It is just a pity that they don't seem to be that popular |
| 11:55.19 | wibbit | I don't know HOW the E60 is a more popular phone, the screen resolution is the same, but it's bigger and uglier |
| 11:55.37 | Linux_Galore | I looked at the e70, seems a bit fiddly though |
| 11:55.52 | wibbit | Linux_Galore: Nope, not at all |
| 11:56.17 | wibbit | Linux_Galore: but, the software could do with some tender love, however that's not the hardware, and I am sure the other S60 phones have the same problems |
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| 11:57.25 | Linux_Galore | heh, always get the HTC Advantage if your a keyboard junky |
| 11:57.31 | Linux_Galore | thats thing is huge |
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| 12:10.09 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: hows your phone going |
| 12:10.41 | SpeedEvil | I've just got the final lot of bits I need to make the accelerometer and stuff |
| 12:11.02 | xzcvczx | ah ok what bus you going to use? |
| 12:11.09 | SpeedEvil | Unsure. |
| 12:11.18 | SpeedEvil | Probably I2C - it depends. |
| 12:11.22 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 12:11.35 | xzcvczx | yeah i am looking at adding a SMD500 to mine if i can find one |
| 12:13.36 | SpeedEvil | SMD500? |
| 12:14.04 | xzcvczx | yeah a bosch barometer/thermometer |
| 12:14.55 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: what are you using for your accelerometer |
| 12:15.06 | SpeedEvil | I forget the name. |
| 12:16.41 | CM | Please put up some pics once you've gotten started :D |
| 12:16.48 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 12:16.53 | CM | :( |
| 12:16.54 | SpeedEvil | I'm putting up a webstore. |
| 12:17.01 | CM | Aha |
| 12:17.10 | SpeedEvil | You want the schematics, you buy one and trace it :) |
| 12:17.18 | zash` | aha! en handduk! |
| 12:17.32 | SpeedEvil | It's hopefully going to be easy to install. |
| 12:17.33 | xzcvczx | :( |
| 12:17.44 | SpeedEvil | I'm trying to resist adding new features - such as touch-panels. |
| 12:17.56 | SpeedEvil | And USB power |
| 12:19.24 | SpeedEvil | Barometer, FM radio, ... |
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| 12:26.14 | SpeedEvil | V12 |
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| 12:32.37 | DPThought | SpeedEvil: are you building a doughter board? Are there internal pins free or will you use usb? |
| 12:32.48 | SpeedEvil | Connect to the debug port |
| 12:33.01 | SpeedEvil | no soldering. |
| 12:33.05 | DPThought | nice |
| 12:33.26 | SpeedEvil | Annoyingly - connecting power to the USB port is hard. |
| 12:33.36 | SpeedEvil | And probably can't be done without soldering. |
| 12:33.42 | LittleIdiot | it's october now, any news on the neo? |
| 12:33.54 | SpeedEvil | LittleIdiot: december at best for the GTA02 |
| 12:34.03 | LittleIdiot | *sigh* |
| 12:34.14 | DPThought | cant find the pin schematics of the debug port. What is available there? |
| 12:34.36 | DPThought | ah, found it |
| 12:34.44 | SpeedEvil | I2C, SPI, copies of some serial ports, ... |
| 12:34.48 | SpeedEvil | No VCC annoyingly. |
| 12:35.15 | DPThought | :( |
| 12:36.27 | DPThought | i2c sounds good. |
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| 12:38.33 | DPThought | SpeedEvil: strange. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board#Pinouts says pin 10 has vcc 3.3V. Am i at the wrong plug? |
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| 12:42.07 | Mek | DPThought: that is the pinout of the UART connector of the debug board, I think... |
| 12:42.52 | DPThought | ops. right. |
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| 12:44.58 | LittleIdiot | by the way, i've posted twice now to the hardware mailing list, that i can't get the gsm modem to work with certain sim-cards and i've heard rumors that i'm not the only one... is this problem being adressed or was i overheard? |
| 12:46.28 | DPThought | i find the idea nice to chage the usb port from 90degress (side ways) to upwards pointing to the back of the case. This woulb be a realli nice solution to piggyback additinal voards at the back side. (I thing this was already proposed at the wiki whomewhere) I wounder how much the case design can be changed yet at this point. |
| 12:47.33 | cjb_ie | DPThought: not at all, apparently. |
| 12:49.33 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Gsmd/document]] [[User:ChrisLord]] |
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| 12:50.18 | DPThought | expected that. Making molding tools is expensive. Had slight hopes that the GTA02 would need a new case design anyway. |
| 12:51.51 | DPThought | would not be hard to dremel tha myself when i need it :) |
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| 12:53.27 | xzcvczx | is the neo 800x600? |
| 12:54.07 | zash` | no |
| 12:54.09 | zash` | VGA |
| 12:54.14 | raster | 480x640 |
| 12:54.19 | xzcvczx | ah ok |
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| 12:59.37 | CM | LittleIdiot: Is it http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 ? |
| 12:59.43 | |R | 800x600 on 2.8" would be a bit scary :D |
| 12:59.59 | CM | Nice comment today there: "Latest update, new gsm firmware could work with AT&T 3G fireball USIM now." |
| 13:00.03 | dTx | 800x600 is awesome on the small screen |
| 13:00.06 | dTx | See Zaurus |
| 13:02.36 | LittleIdiot | CM: almost, but i get cme error #15 ("Sim Wrong" according to etsi spec |
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| 13:04.57 | CM | I've only tried one sim and it worked |
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| 13:06.20 | LittleIdiot | i've tried different cards from all the same provider 2 with and 2 without umts capabilies... the ones with the additional umts foo don't work |
| 13:06.45 | LittleIdiot | ...and well, they have 6 contact plates more than the other ones |
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| 13:06.54 | CM | :) |
| 13:07.51 | LittleIdiot | it doesn't apper to be a mecanical problem though, i've put tape onto the unneeded ones ;) |
| 13:09.04 | CM | I wonder how we're supposed to get the new firmware and how to flash it |
| 13:09.22 | CM | Or will that be GTA02 only? |
| 13:09.50 | LittleIdiot | well the wiki has an interesting thing to quote here: "Due to NDA issues, OpenMoko cannot provide a reference documentation to those commands. [...] Thus, we welcome our user and developer community to play with those commands and document them here." |
| 13:10.31 | CM | :) |
| 13:10.38 | xzcvczx | you can probably get the firmware off people.openmoko.org (the original one is on there) but good luck finding the program |
| 13:11.39 | jserv--- | CM, 3G SIM card issues are resolved in internal GSM firmware, moko5. |
| 13:11.57 | jserv--- | CM, the device has to be re-flashed. |
| 13:12.50 | LittleIdiot | jserv---: we know that already, but question remains: how are we supposed to flash it without that application? |
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| 13:13.23 | jserv--- | LittleIdiot, good questions :( |
| 13:13.41 | jserv--- | It is regarded as pending non-technical issues. |
| 13:15.18 | ScaredyCat | you must all send you neos to me and I will ...errm... flash them... sometime... in the future..... |
| 13:15.19 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 13:16.10 | CM | Hehe |
| 13:16.15 | ScaredyCat | I wouldn't call *that* a hose, more of a tiny tiny straw |
| 13:16.31 | CM | ~fish ScaredyCat |
| 13:16.32 | apt | ACTION slaps ScaredyCat around with a large trout |
| 13:17.13 | CM | ~prod xzcvczx |
| 13:17.13 | apt | ACTION zaps xzcvczx with a high voltage cattle prod |
| 13:17.18 | CM | :D |
| 13:17.42 | xzcvczx | 66 of 4837 :S |
| 13:18.18 | CM | Hmm.. I have 14 less. Strange |
| 13:18.29 | xzcvczx | weird |
| 13:18.44 | xzcvczx | hmmm i wish i could draw decent pictures on computer |
| 13:19.02 | xzcvczx | w00t 69 |
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| 13:33.33 | DukeOfURL | without locales disabled, it hangs (100% CPU) on es_NI |
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| 13:36.40 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 13:36.48 | ScaredyCat | are you all rebuilding from scratch? |
| 13:37.11 | xzcvczx | this is my first build since a cpu change in the host |
| 13:37.26 | DukeOfURL | ScaredyCat: yes |
| 13:37.41 | ScaredyCat | did you break something? |
| 13:39.22 | DukeOfURL | yes, I wasn't getting dbus-uuidgen into the fs. without it, there is no /var/dbus/machine-id, and the system hangs |
| 13:39.40 | ScaredyCat | ok, but that was fixed no? |
| 13:39.48 | DukeOfURL | when? |
| 13:39.54 | ScaredyCat | it happened on the 29th, but is ok for 30th |
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| 13:40.18 | DukeOfURL | i've had no joy all weekend |
| 13:40.38 | DukeOfURL | either buiding from scratch or using an existing build |
| 13:40.48 | DukeOfURL | neither |
| 13:40.59 | xzcvczx | grrrrrr f'ing qemu |
| 13:41.00 | ScaredyCat | mmmm... I got a report of problems on my qtopia image, tried it out got that message (dbus no mac id) so rebuilt it and it's fine |
| 13:41.26 | ScaredyCat | you could try my openmoko image from 30th to be sure if you like (non-qtopia) |
| 13:41.37 | DukeOfURL | anyhow, a clean build (with locales) haves the CPU on es_NI |
| 13:41.45 | DukeOfURL | hangs |
| 13:41.53 | ScaredyCat | turn of locales |
| 13:42.01 | DukeOfURL | ok |
| 13:42.15 | ScaredyCat | ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" |
| 13:42.21 | ScaredyCat | in your local.conf |
| 13:42.22 | DukeOfURL | has anyone determined how to remove qemu entirely? |
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| 13:43.17 | xzcvczx | DukeOfURL: lol could be useful never compiles nicely for me |
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| 14:08.41 | Ralph | ScaredyCAt |
| 14:09.02 | Ralph | you wrote in a wiki to wget directly from the neo |
| 14:09.23 | Ralph | thats wonderful - but i cant get that kind of routing working |
| 14:09.36 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03chris * r3064 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): |
| 14:09.36 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: |
| 14:09.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Fix sometimes missing button-release events, fix when the clicked |
| 14:09.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: child window is destroyed while scrolling, don't send click inside |
| 14:09.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: the child when the widget has scrolled |
| 14:10.01 | Ralph | what did you do to establish that connection to the internet from the neo? |
| 14:10.17 | CM | Ralph: What distro are you on? |
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| 14:10.47 | Ralph | CM distro? |
| 14:11.00 | CM | I mean on your pc. Ubuntu? |
| 14:11.09 | Ralph | oh - yes ubuntu |
| 14:11.48 | CM | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Proxying_DNS_requests |
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| 14:16.10 | Ralph | ok thx CM |
| 14:16.17 | CM | :) |
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| 14:25.29 | PBeck | hi |
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| 14:41.35 | DukeOfURL | Got a clean compile, and the phone boots. However, the GSM icon shows a connections, but there is no SIM card... |
| 14:41.55 | DukeOfURL | s/connection/connection/ |
| 14:41.58 | XorA | DukeOfURL: free phone calls :-D |
| 14:42.02 | DukeOfURL | yea |
| 14:42.20 | DukeOfURL | booting now w/ SIM |
| 14:43.14 | DukeOfURL | with Qtopia, I was able to make calls. However, if the phone lost the GSM connection, it would have to be rebooted (I'm in a fringe reception area). |
| 14:45.26 | DukeOfURL | With OM build, the GSM icon shows a connection, but the dialer says "waiting on registration" |
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| 14:46.59 | wibbit | Has any work been done to get OpenMoko working with SIP providers? |
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| 14:47.40 | DukeOfURL | latency over GPRS is high (2000ms+). Would cause problems in VoIP call. |
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| 14:48.08 | DukeOfURL | worse than talking over a satellite connection |
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| 14:48.53 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] [[Talk:Carriers/ATT]] |
| 14:49.08 | mjr | 2000ms is pretty pathological even for gprs, mind you |
| 14:49.21 | mjr | still, I agree that voip over gprs is a no-no |
| 14:50.26 | mjr | but again, voip over wifi when available will be very useful for some |
| 14:50.41 | DukeOfURL | in a push-to-talk environment it might work: "did you copy, over" |
| 14:51.12 | mjr | yeah ptt is quite feasible; they're like voice text messages :] |
| 14:52.58 | CM | I guess it varies a lot, but it's high for sure |
| 14:53.14 | DukeOfURL | In fact, why would a GPRS operator allow UDP at all? |
| 14:53.35 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure inbound will get through many firewalls. |
| 14:53.43 | XorA | mine allows ICMP and UDP |
| 14:53.45 | mjr | well, if you send more packets than there's bandwidth, _then_ it's high for sure :] |
| 14:53.53 | DukeOfURL | yup |
| 14:53.59 | SpeedEvil | XorA: inbound? |
| 14:54.02 | SpeedEvil | No NAT? |
| 14:54.14 | XorA | SpeedEvil: never tried |
| 14:54.19 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right, I see. |
| 14:54.26 | SpeedEvil | yeah - ping works from mine too. |
| 14:54.27 | XorA | outpund they go fine |
| 14:54.32 | DukeOfURL | does the phone get a public IP from the operator? |
| 14:54.41 | mjr | DukeOfURL, depends |
| 14:54.54 | DukeOfURL | on the operator? |
| 14:54.58 | XorA | SpeedEvil: those people on "vpn" contracts both ways must work |
| 14:55.08 | SpeedEvil | Unless htey are tcp voip |
| 14:55.09 | mjr | DukeOfURL, of course |
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| 14:56.37 | DukeOfURL | an RTP stream over TCP would also be a problem. there i no reason to do error detection and correction because the corrected packet will arrive out of sequence |
| 14:56.44 | DukeOfURL | there is |
| 14:56.58 | DukeOfURL | out of seq time wise |
| 14:57.10 | CM | I've only done rtp streaming over umts, and even with good signal strength we had around 30% package loss |
| 14:57.20 | DukeOfURL | ouch |
| 14:57.36 | mjr | mobile apps should probably assume the worst, of course, and be ready for circumstances where they can only do outbound connections with nat, providing for lots of fun proxy needs |
| 14:57.37 | raster | if i lost 30% of my package |
| 14:57.41 | raster | i'd be saying ouch too |
| 14:57.44 | wibbit | DukeOfURL: as mjr has already mentioned, there will be wifi on the next version. |
| 14:57.46 | CM | :P |
| 14:58.18 | DukeOfURL | still, there is no QoS on the upstream radio link |
| 14:58.23 | wibbit | DukeOfURL: The other thing that I would be interested in, is sending SMS over GPRS, for example TruPhone supports SMS over the VOIP infrastructure, which is substantially cheaper under some circumstances |
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| 14:58.45 | RalphEichelberge | ScardyCat? - HELP! |
| 14:58.48 | RalphEichelberge | http://rafb.net/p/Pfi3wc31.html |
| 14:58.51 | mjr | wibbit, indeed |
| 14:59.12 | RalphEichelberge | i am busy connecting my neo to the internet |
| 14:59.24 | RalphEichelberge | but somehow that forwarding dont work |
| 14:59.55 | RalphEichelberge | link above shows what there is no error - but no result also |
| 14:59.56 | DukeOfURL | wibbit: sending SMS text using SIP messaging? |
| 15:00.23 | wibbit | mjr: needless to say, I've spoken to TruPhone, to see if they have any intention of supporting the Neo1973/OpenMoko and they chose not to see my message :\ |
| 15:00.27 | wibbit | DukeOfURL: Yup |
| 15:00.42 | mjr | my SIP pc-to-phone provider is apparently planning to start offering SMS |
| 15:00.47 | mjr | diamondcard, it was |
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| 15:01.42 | wibbit | DukeOfURL: Yeppers |
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| 15:02.22 | mwester | Sigh. Why in the name of all that is good is the OpenMoko build now building *** orinoco *** drivers?????? ???? |
| 15:03.28 | mwester | Sheesh. Let's just dump all the dependency stuff, google for every bit of source code on the internet, and build it all?? :D |
| 15:04.15 | mjr | And yeah, lack of qos with wifi is a small issue, but usually not that biggie, what with bandwidth not being so limited. May become an issue of course if too many users are on an access point. |
| 15:05.05 | DukeOfURL | mjr: go to your local Starbucks during busy time and try VoIP from a softphone. |
| 15:05.27 | mjr | we don't have starbucks, but I get your point |
| 15:05.54 | DukeOfURL | mjr: then how do you get through the day? :-) |
| 15:06.06 | guaqua | when the latency starts to jump around, voice isn't going to work |
| 15:06.06 | mwester | especially now that all the yuppies with the iphones will be downloading itunes for free at the starbucks, as they suck on their double-mocha frappa-cuppa-chinni grande latte. |
| 15:06.26 | mjr | high pressure air into my nose during the night |
| 15:06.34 | DukeOfURL | CPAP? |
| 15:06.43 | mjr | yes |
| 15:07.05 | DukeOfURL | I live at 8000'. CPAP is good. |
| 15:07.15 | DukeOfURL | brings it down to sea level |
| 15:07.27 | mjr | anyway, at home and (some) workspaces voip over wlan may be kept feasible |
| 15:07.48 | mjr | places |
| 15:08.11 | DukeOfURL | with SMS over SIP, it's still a push connection down to the phone. won't work without a public IP |
| 15:08.24 | DukeOfURL | and some way to register the IP with the SMS server |
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| 15:08.52 | DukeOfURL | could do SMS with HTTP transaction just as well |
| 15:09.26 | DukeOfURL | and HTTP uses TCP. SIP uses UDP |
| 15:09.28 | mjr | SIP should nowadays be workable from behind nat, provided of course you register on some sip provider's account |
| 15:10.26 | DukeOfURL | yes, but SIP has major problems with NAT. It sends the local (private) address in the packet payload, and NAT never sees it. |
| 15:11.09 | summatusmentis_ | do we know anything about future devices? I see the thing about GTA02, but has there been anything about devices > GTA02? |
| 15:11.18 | DukeOfURL | ever hear of IAX (thank you Mark Spencer)? no NAT problems. |
| 15:11.19 | mjr | which can be worked around |
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| 15:11.28 | Vegar | DukeOfURL: doesn't iptables have a SIP conntrack module? |
| 15:11.28 | mjr | yes I know IAX |
| 15:12.08 | DukeOfURL | Vegar: don't know. with Asterisk we're able to manually set the address in the payload. |
| 15:12.16 | Vegar | ok |
| 15:12.34 | DukeOfURL | brb |
| 15:12.59 | sannes | ScaredyCat: Anything interesting update in your qtopia image from 27th to 30th ? |
| 15:14.17 | mjr | (and actually my sip provider apparently supports iax as well, but I've never tried to connect with that) |
| 15:17.55 | ScaredyCat | actually sip uses tcp or udp |
| 15:18.05 | ScaredyCat | asterisk only uses udp though |
| 15:18.23 | ScaredyCat | sannes: some minor fixes it looks like |
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| 15:20.56 | sannes | ScaredyCat: Ever tried to press "Key Lock" from the bottom menu .. hehe, that was a bit entertaining .. hope it is fixed, in your newest image there .. hm, but I have to switch back to openmoko to test some gtk code .. hehe |
| 15:22.32 | moo^ | I skipped the most of disucission above, but there exist SIP-TCP and SIP proxy servers |
| 15:22.44 | moo^ | to make SIP work even without public IP and UDP |
| 15:23.04 | moo^ | (been there, done that) |
| 15:23.59 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 15:24.05 | ScaredyCat | what was the prob sannes? |
| 15:24.44 | ScaredyCat | SIP has always been tcp capable... |
| 15:25.09 | ScaredyCat | keylock works for me sannes |
| 15:25.42 | ScaredyCat | it works better now |
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| 15:26.26 | ScaredyCat | you get to use the proper keypad |
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| 15:27.42 | sannes | ScaredyCat: It kept flashing on and off with the message that I should press unlock and then * .. |
| 15:28.14 | sannes | ScaredyCat: of course between the flashing on and off I could still use the interface .. hehe |
| 15:28.26 | ScaredyCat | mmm... must be better then :) |
| 15:29.01 | ScaredyCat | I pless keylock , it puts a padlock in the top title bar.. and the menu option changes to unlock |
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| 15:29.20 | ScaredyCat | press it and you get the big keypad, asks you to press * |
| 15:30.44 | sannes | hehe, now it just keeps crashing .. hehe :P |
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| 15:31.27 | ewon | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/10/01/hd_launches_touch_dual/ |
| 15:32.31 | RalphEichelberge | http://rafb.net/p/Pfi3wc31.html |
| 15:32.47 | RalphEichelberge | i am busy connecting my neo to the internet but somehow that forwarding dont work link above shows what there is no error - but no result also |
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| 15:39.25 | RalphEichelberg1 | hi |
| 15:40.01 | RalphEichelberg1 | i am typing thisn my neo ;} |
| 15:40.37 | RalphEichelberg1 | as you can see it is pretty slow |
| 15:40.43 | cb22 | heh |
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| 15:44.34 | DukeOfURL | RalphEichelberge: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward=1? |
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| 15:44.57 | jumpy33 | Hello an good <insert-your-time-of-day-here> =) |
| 15:45.07 | XorA | ~ugt |
| 15:45.09 | apt | i guess ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 15:45.31 | mwester | (XorA types faster than I :) ) |
| 15:45.57 | jumpy33 | nice - you never stop learning ... ;-) |
| 15:46.03 | jumpy33 | So then, good morning ;-) |
| 15:46.47 | jumpy33 | did anyone by chance read the questions I sent to openmoko-devel some time ago? |
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| 15:47.35 | jumpy33 | "App design questions"? |
| 15:50.19 | jumpy33 | Hallo Jens, |
| 15:50.19 | jumpy33 | ich hab natürlich vergessen, den Reiseantrag zu schreiben. Wir hatten ja kurz über den Traceability-Workshop in Darmstadt gesprochen. Der ist am 12.10. |
| 15:50.19 | jumpy33 | Ich hab den jetzt noch fertig gemacht. Dein Einverständnis vorausgesetzt würde ich den diese Woche noch ans Dekanat geben. Theoretisch müsste der auch ohne Deine Unterschrift durchgehen, weil der Dekan den ja auch unterschreibt... |
| 15:50.19 | jumpy33 | Wär das ok? |
| 15:50.21 | jumpy33 | Gruß |
| 15:50.25 | jumpy33 | Sorry |
| 15:50.34 | jumpy33 | wrong window :-( |
| 15:53.09 | DukeOfURL | when on a call, I hear a rushing sound in the background (like when the car window is open). does anyone else hear this? (T-Mobile) |
| 15:53.35 | XorA | DukeOfURL: I get that on t-mobile UK even without Neo |
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| 15:54.24 | DukeOfURL | hurmph |
| 15:54.28 | wibbit | T-Mobile sucks :) |
| 15:54.30 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3065 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/32x32/stock/ (13 files): * Add new 32x32 stock icons |
| 15:54.44 | DukeOfURL | all US operators suck |
| 15:54.46 | XorA | heh heh data is cheap though |
| 15:55.01 | DukeOfURL | USD40/mo is cheap? |
| 15:55.16 | XorA | GBP 7.50 a month |
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| 15:56.19 | ScaredyCat | huH? |
| 15:56.34 | ScaredyCat | $40 ~=£20 |
| 15:58.26 | Sup3rkiddo | woohoo...build complete |
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| 15:58.58 | DukeOfURL | AT&T "unlimited" data is USD60 |
| 15:58.58 | orzo | i have a build error |
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| 15:59.13 | orzo | pkg-config doesnt think there is a webkitgtk package |
| 15:59.33 | orzo | No package 'WebKitGdk' found |
| 15:59.42 | orzo | so |
| 15:59.54 | orzo | i'm using mokomakefile |
| 16:00.18 | pr0fb00ty | wasn't that patched yesterday? |
| 16:00.33 | orzo | wasn't what patched? mokomakefile? |
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| 16:02.31 | orzo | it is openmoko-feedreader2 taht failed to build |
| 16:04.00 | Sup3rkiddo | orzo, mine built without a hitch,,,you did the usual, make update;make setup ...etc routine |
| 16:04.10 | orzo | ya |
| 16:04.18 | orzo | well i did make clean first |
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| 16:04.47 | mwester | orzo: that was fixed since you last synced up with the OE repository. |
| 16:05.00 | orzo | i synced yesterday |
| 16:05.03 | mwester | Yes. |
| 16:05.08 | orzo | heh |
| 16:05.09 | orzo | ok |
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| 16:06.48 | sparq | Hmm... Is anyone working on a SIP client? |
| 16:07.55 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3066 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/48x48/stock/ (13 files): * Add new 48x48 stock icons |
| 16:09.09 | Sup3rkiddo | ...man, the happiness that i got when the build went without problems beats the feeling i got when i got dumped by my X =) |
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| 16:10.25 | mjr | sparq, some notes have been made here on intending to add that |
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| 16:10.36 | pr0fb00ty | ahem sorry... that's what I meant http://de.pastebin.ca/720570 |
| 16:11.11 | sparq | mjr: yep, I've been looking at scrollback. |
| 16:11.39 | sparq | mjr: Would it be a client application, like a port of Ekiga, or would it be inegrated into the dialer app? |
| 16:12.16 | sparq | I assume that leaset cost routing would need some sort of integrated SIP client. |
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| 16:15.53 | sparq | It's too bad Ekiga is sort of monolithic |
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| 16:18.16 | mjr | the spesific thing I was talking about involved gsmd integration |
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| 16:24.53 | sparq | mjr: Hmm... I guess if gsmd were the SIP platform, it might be a little miss-named. ^_^ |
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| 16:30.00 | mjr | indeed |
| 16:31.54 | jpcass | theres what seems to be a fairly flexible SIP stack called pjsip... |
| 16:32.15 | jpcass | http://www.pjsip.org/ this could be useful... |
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| 16:44.53 | ScaredyCat | wtf... |
| 16:44.54 | Maledictus | does linux on the neo1973 run in big endian mode? |
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| 16:45.37 | Shoragan | ScaredyCat, where? |
| 16:46.26 | ScaredyCat | on our shop |
| 16:46.34 | ScaredyCat | they just don't make sense... |
| 16:46.36 | ScaredyCat | soem |
| 16:46.37 | ScaredyCat | some |
| 16:47.11 | ScaredyCat | 'Prices are too high, but I couldn't find it cheaper anywhere else' |
| 16:47.23 | cb22_ | ScaredyCat, where? |
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| 16:49.13 | Sup3rkiddo | metoo |
| 16:49.29 | ScaredyCat | eh? |
| 16:49.57 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FreeBSD]] [[User:PTT]] [[Wishlist:Expansion_Back]] [[Wishlist_-_Hardware_-_Novel_Devices]] [[Talk:Hardware:Keyboards]] |
| 16:50.40 | ScaredyCat | it was OT ... jst ignore me |
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| 17:03.58 | sparq | sweet! pjsip has python bindings! |
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| 17:09.14 | ScaredyCat | http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/01/nokia-unlocks-anti-apple-campaign/ |
| 17:09.32 | ScaredyCat | shouldn't we do one with neo and nokia ;) |
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| 17:44.25 | CM | Any_Key: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/ts_harvest.out and http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/ts_print.txt |
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| 17:44.44 | CM | Any_Key: The negative values when tracing around the edge is a bit weird |
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| 17:50.05 | nobody96 | moin |
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| 17:55.27 | CM | Sad to see that uimoc4 still fails after so many weeks being a known bug :-/ |
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| 18:16.37 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Please welcome Graeme Gregory |
| 18:17.21 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: heh, now you lost. Say goodbye to your spare time. ;) |
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| 18:18.05 | dTx | Anybody willing to trade their Neo for a fully functioning Nokia 3360? |
| 18:19.01 | bedboi | ahahah |
| 18:19.02 | bedboi | :) |
| 18:19.08 | bedboi | 3360 it's so robust |
| 18:19.11 | bedboi | i had one |
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| 18:19.14 | dTx | yeah |
| 18:19.17 | bedboi | well is still have it |
| 18:19.30 | dTx | I drop kicked this thing (accidentally of course) and it still works great |
| 18:19.36 | dTx | haha |
| 18:20.23 | bedboi | it's just dismissed. Btw that one was stamp out by a car |
| 18:20.25 | edu | has someone a Neo advanced ? |
| 18:20.29 | bedboi | btw it still working |
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| 18:20.46 | dTx | awesome |
| 18:22.23 | dTx | I was hoping this phone would be out in time for my b-day, the 13th |
| 18:22.31 | dTx | but it looks like that is a no go |
| 18:25.45 | cjb_ie | ppft, motorola international 3300 is where it's at |
| 18:26.07 | cjb_ie | friend of mine still has one. and it still works. though the nicad batteries don't last so long any more... |
| 18:26.48 | cjb_ie | can't remember whether the disassembled battery pack contains 3 or 4 'C' cells |
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| 18:28.47 | dTx | I've had this phone for 5 years and it has survived drops in water/water rides, many drops on concrete and it still works like when I got it |
| 18:29.05 | dTx | amazingly enough |
| 18:29.47 | edu_ | is the phone out of stock? |
| 18:30.01 | dTx | I dunno |
| 18:30.06 | dTx | Its not very featureful though |
| 18:30.12 | dTx | Just a simple dumb phone |
| 18:30.22 | dTx | With basic WAP browser/etc. |
| 18:30.32 | dTx | no MP3 |
| 18:30.34 | dTx | just MIDI |
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| 18:31.00 | dTx | oh I suppose you are talking about the Neo |
| 18:31.01 | dTx | haha |
| 18:31.09 | dTx | I think they are out of stock |
| 18:31.46 | CM | XorA: Poor you.. We'll never stop picking your brain ;) |
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| 18:46.59 | emre_ | Hi folks, is there a design for profile management? |
| 18:47.43 | edu_ | does the neo include a built in mic and speaker? |
| 18:47.53 | dTx | yeah |
| 18:47.55 | dTx | its a cell phone |
| 18:48.01 | dTx | mic and speaker standard ;-) |
| 18:48.18 | edu_ | yes but somewhere says it includes headphones and mic (it thought external ones). |
| 18:48.58 | Mek | that is included as well |
| 18:49.17 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Wish_List]] |
| 18:49.20 | dTx | cool |
| 18:49.50 | edu_ | is the programming of the phone easy? i mean QT or alike...? |
| 18:50.33 | Mek | the openmoko software is all gtk2+, but if you prefer QT there is also qtopia... |
| 18:50.34 | dTx | GTK |
| 18:50.55 | dTx | will QT libs fit alongside the standard OpenMoko install? |
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| 18:58.12 | mwester | XorA: Congrats! |
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| 18:59.49 | buz | they will for sure on GTA02 |
| 19:00.51 | edu_ | when will be GTA02? |
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| 19:01.28 | dTx | topic |
| 19:01.40 | dTx | ;-) |
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| 19:03.52 | buz | i sure hope the suggestion of pre orders is taken up |
| 19:05.11 | edu_ | I have programmed a POS devide which uses a JTag, how useful can be for the NEO adv? |
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| 19:07.54 | dTx | You want the Neo to be a POS device? |
| 19:08.44 | edu_ | not really, but sounds a good idea |
| 19:09.09 | edu_ | I'd like to know how can the JTag be used in Neo? what for? |
| 19:09.40 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03nbd * r3067 10/developers/nbd/patches/ (100-sdio_merge.patch 130-gta02v2.patch): fix sdio merge patch, add gta02 fix |
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| 19:10.42 | dTx | according to the wiki you only need it if you plan on changing u-boot |
| 19:11.34 | Mek | or if you accidentally overwrite u-boot in a GTA01 :) |
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| 19:13.59 | edu_ | ok the jtag is only for the debug board (the adv neo) or can be plugged also into the dev version? |
| 19:14.35 | mjr | what? |
| 19:15.32 | dTx | the Neo itself is the same in the adv kit as in the regular kit, correct? |
| 19:15.46 | Mek | yes |
| 19:15.49 | dTx | just adv. comes with the breakout board an jtag |
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| 19:16.09 | edu_ | do you mean the cable or the inteface on the neo board? |
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| 19:17.44 | mjr | the jtag goes between the neo and the debug board, if that's what you're asking |
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| 19:18.38 | CM | Hmm.. I wonder if it's a coincidence that Trolltech is opening qtopia more and more: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2981287645.html |
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| 19:47.57 | dkr | coinciding with what? |
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| 19:48.51 | Elrond | Good evening. |
| 19:48.57 | LarstiQ | Elrond! |
| 19:49.03 | Elrond | LarstiQ - Hi! |
| 19:49.19 | LarstiQ | Elrond: been a while, how are you? |
| 19:49.36 | Elrond | I'm fine. Just back from holidays. :) |
| 19:49.36 | emdete | CM: trolltech is trying hard to get developers for free.... |
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| 20:02.31 | buz | emdete: thats a step in the right direction, it used to be you had to pay 700$ for the privilege ;) |
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| 20:05.41 | edistar_ | it seems that trolltech is afraid that openmoko will become more widely spread? |
| 20:07.10 | CM | emdete: *nod* |
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| 20:09.47 | emdete | buz: neo isn't much better, okay the privilege is a little chaeper... |
| 20:10.32 | emdete | problem is you can't copy hardware like software - hardware always costs per unit ;) |
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| 20:10.52 | buz | even costs to dispose |
| 20:11.10 | CM | edistar_: Or maybe they worry about gtk getting more commonly used on phones |
| 20:11.18 | buz | i think it's that |
| 20:11.47 | CM | qt has been way ahead, but it doesn't have any community backing |
| 20:11.47 | buz | of course, that's because of the lgpl |
| 20:12.07 | buz | i dont think many people would bother with gtk if it wasnt lgpl |
| 20:12.21 | CM | buz: Not many companies at least |
| 20:12.25 | buz | yeah |
| 20:12.32 | buz | not sure if there are many individuals developing gnome |
| 20:12.40 | buz | there certainly are in kde land |
| 20:12.55 | CM | I think there's quite a few |
| 20:13.15 | buz | people willing to work with a toolkit for free is always a good sign |
| 20:13.17 | CM | Lots of students and grad students at least |
| 20:13.57 | CM | Well, there's been complaints on the list that there's still not enough external patches and bugfixes for gtk+ |
| 20:14.06 | CM | *lists |
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| 20:14.18 | buz | i'd venture to guess that there are very few of those for qt ;) |
| 20:14.24 | CM | Maybe not complaints, but "how can we make this more attractive" |
| 20:14.25 | CM | Hehe |
| 20:14.50 | buz | in some way the qt development model is closer to *bsd than to linux |
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| 20:25.31 | edistar | do you think openmoko would have used qt if it had been freed earlier? |
| 20:25.45 | mjr | qt was free already |
| 20:25.49 | mjr | qtopia is a different thing |
| 20:26.11 | mjr | and especially the qtopia mobile stack |
| 20:27.38 | edistar | ah, I meant the gui toolkit.. because openmoko wanted to write their own mobile stack anyway, don't they? |
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| 20:28.52 | ScaredyCat | mksdjmks vjdkgk fjjtrf0304 |
| 20:29.34 | CM | ScaredyCat: Time for you to cut down on the booze a bit! :P |
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| 20:30.38 | ScaredyCat | put your ring away mwester! |
| 20:31.16 | ScaredyCat | CM: it was food crumbs |
| 20:32.22 | Elrond | ~seen ph5 |
| 20:32.25 | apt | ph5 <n=ph5@p5485F5F0.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 1d 1h 19m 39s ago, saying: 'good night'. |
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| 20:49.17 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Montevideo]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Chicago]] |
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| 21:12.58 | LetoTo | jpcass: yes, pjsip rocks. I wish I had time to package it up in openmoko. |
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| 21:25.48 | Squares | Does the openmoko support glade |
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| 21:33.29 | LittleIdiot | could somebody remove the games from the image, they're sort of addictive and impair my productivity ;) |
| 21:34.04 | Squares | Lol |
| 21:34.42 | mwester | Survival of the fittest. Those that can be productive will get paid, and will be able to feed themselves, and eventually reproduce -- the others will weed themselves out of the gene pool. :P |
| 21:37.01 | mwester | I haven't seen many days as quiet as this on OE and OpenMoko... did everyone go somewhere else and forget to tell us? |
| 21:37.51 | cb22_ | they are all hiding from me :) |
| 21:38.35 | juri_ | i'm busily freaking out over my impending interview with $LARGE_COMPANY. |
| 21:38.58 | SpeedEvil | Compuglobalhypermeganet? |
| 21:39.14 | juri_ | .com. :) |
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| 21:43.46 | BlahCat | gah! |
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| 21:59.10 | Kero | so... why does the Neo have 94 audio settings... |
| 21:59.28 | ozarka | Because 95 would have been too many. |
| 21:59.48 | Jon_yoosic | and 93 would just have been silly |
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| 22:01.25 | emdete | Kero: it seams the neo has a excelent sound hw... |
| 22:01.35 | Kero | sure, now which of these 94 do I need to hear something from an incoming call... |
| 22:01.43 | ozarka | Love that startup sound! |
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| 22:01.55 | emdete | Kero: there are sample settings in /etc/alsa for each case |
| 22:02.36 | Jon_yoosic | Wait...alsa? |
| 22:02.53 | emdete | Jon_yoosic: wait? whatfor? :) |
| 22:03.16 | Jon_yoosic | I have to use an alsa wrapper on qemu to get audio from an image that runs alsa anyway. |
| 22:03.33 | BlahCat | gsmhandset.state |
| 22:03.59 | emdete | Jon_yoosic: shure. inside and outside is different anyway |
| 22:04.28 | Jon_yoosic | On, I understand the reason for it. It just appears redundant is all. |
| 22:04.34 | emdete | qemu emulates sound hardware inside which is used by linux's alsa drivers |
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| 22:04.55 | Kero | how do I oad such state? which is default? |
| 22:04.55 | emdete | qemu uses outsode sound drivers to play that sound for u |
| 22:05.10 | viq | on a slightly different subject, did someone try playing with qemu and encrypted images? |
| 22:06.05 | emdete | alsactl restore -f /etc/gsmheadset.state |
| 22:06.18 | emdete | ...as an example |
| 22:07.01 | emdete | and, sorry, yes it's not in /etc/alsa anymore. |
| 22:08.54 | Kero | amazing :) |
| 22:09.45 | Kero | so why is neither handset nor headset the default /etc/asound.state ? |
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| 22:10.29 | ScaredyCat | it is - on my images :) |
| 22:11.57 | Kero | seems fine will try to call someone tomorrow. |
| 22:12.09 | Kero | now only to figure out how to activate GPRS |
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| 22:17.08 | Kero | that looks quite a lot like pppd garbage on my screen, I think I found the APN already. sweet. |
| 22:18.29 | Kero | how far is a gsmd w/ dbus along? Or do I have to write a wrapper AT -> dbus myself? Or ignore dbus... |
| 22:18.33 | emdete | Kero: try out the stereo speaker with madplay & a mp3 file... amazing. this small device makes alot terror :) |
| 22:18.59 | emdete | gsmd has it's own remoting... |
| 22:19.10 | Kero | "remoting" ? |
| 22:19.26 | emdete | it comes with a lib that u ca use |
| 22:19.32 | emdete | s/ca/can/ |
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| 22:20.07 | emdete | that lib gets in contact with the daemon |
| 22:20.20 | Kero | lbgsmdtool you mean? |
| 22:20.25 | emdete | yes |
| 22:20.56 | emdete | oh, no, thats the tool - that uses the lib alos |
| 22:21.17 | emdete | there is a lib called libgsmd |
| 22:21.22 | Kero | but there's no point in letting three apps using one library :) |
| 22:21.40 | emdete | why not? |
| 22:21.40 | Kero | using system-dbus makes sense imho |
| 22:22.14 | emdete | there was a discussion about that. in the en i as a developer dont care if it works and the api of the lib is clean |
| 22:22.18 | Kero | what should the library do when three apps tell it to dial three numbers? |
| 22:22.38 | Kero | dbus solves all race conditions there |
| 22:22.49 | Kero | (I think) |
| 22:22.59 | emdete | depends. very unusual case. more interesting would be if one sends a sms, another read contacts and the last issues a call |
| 22:23.27 | emdete | again: i don't care how the developer solve their problems. as long as it works |
| 22:23.36 | Kero | ah,bu I am such a developer :) |
| 22:23.48 | emdete | u develop libgsmd> |
| 22:23.49 | emdete | ? |
| 22:23.50 | mwester | Kero: libgsmd should resolve race conditions. |
| 22:24.11 | mwester | But frankly, libgsmd should vanish, and be implemented in-kernel. |
| 22:24.18 | Kero | mwester: *if* it is a library, then it should |
| 22:24.20 | Kero | ah :) |
| 22:24.39 | mwester | Virtual tty devices should appear as necessary to support what the user wishes.. |
| 22:25.03 | Kero | emdete: no, but I want something that talks from gsmd to apps and vice versa in a sane way. |
| 22:25.11 | mwester | There is a skeleton to add gsmd as a line discipline, but that's all at this point. |
| 22:25.12 | emdete | mwester: and how do i have to talk to those devices? AT command? |
| 22:25.22 | Kero | so that I can do funky things with calls, depending on data in pim |
| 22:25.36 | mwester | emdete: AT commands would be hidden. You would just open one up and run PPP on it. |
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| 22:25.58 | emdete | ...and use ppp to issue calls & sms? wow :D |
| 22:26.15 | emdete | could it be you talk about gsm0710? |
| 22:26.17 | mwester | :) of course not. |
| 22:26.26 | mwester | You would run PPP for GPRS. |
| 22:26.32 | emdete | ....and i talk about gsm0707 |
| 22:26.57 | mwester | A different tty would support he dialer, and understand the subset of AT commands to dial, send tones, and do call management. |
| 22:27.06 | mwester | Another tty or device would handle SMS traffic. |
| 22:27.47 | mwester | Not unlike the current libgmsd |
| 22:27.50 | emdete | mwester: as a app developer i would be more familar with a api... |
| 22:28.09 | emdete | mwester: and the daemon disapears? |
| 22:28.31 | mwester | IMO the existing role of the daemon disappears. |
| 22:28.52 | mwester | But you would probably implement this with a user-space component, that would be best done as a daemon. |
| 22:29.38 | emdete | hm... anyway i would be happy if that stuff would work relaiable one day |
| 22:29.43 | mwester | BTW, you could have an API as well. The only purpose of the devices is really to provide an object to note an end-point for a specific type of traffic, or instance of a connection. |
| 22:30.29 | mwester | But in the end, if we can't make it work with libgsmd in user-space today, we surely can't make it work with an in-kernel implementation. So this is all speculation and dreaming. |
| 22:31.25 | emdete | :D yes, i wonder about this, that gsmd still does not work... whatever, i go to sleep. good night! |
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| 22:35.42 | Kero | gsmd works. out-of-kernel binary thingy. Is libgsmd open source? |
| 22:35.59 | Vegar | yes |
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| 22:36.53 | Kero | then I could add dbus o libgsmd myself, if need be :) |
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| 22:55.05 | MacintoshGeek | who is familiar with dfu?.. |
| 22:55.05 | aloril | MacintoshGeek: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:55.40 | MacintoshGeek | need help..pls pm me.. |
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| 22:57.16 | Squares | Does the finger window allow for a filter menu? |
| 22:58.15 | Jon_yoosic | This looks good, does anyone know if it'll run OpenMoko? http://www.imcosys.com/html/smartphone1.html |
| 22:58.33 | y1101 | does anyone wish to assist with dfu mode on the iphone? |
| 22:58.33 | aloril | y1101: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:58.44 | rwhitby | XorA|gone: congrats! |
| 22:59.26 | Jon_yoosic | It is ARM based |
| 23:00.00 | MacintoshGeek | yes, it is arm based.. |
| 23:00.15 | MacintoshGeek | it's not so reliable?.. |
| 23:00.51 | y1101 | true. and uses arm trustzone |
| 23:01.01 | y1101 | maybe |
| 23:02.55 | Jon_yoosic | ok |
| 23:03.07 | MacintoshGeek | dude.. |
| 23:03.17 | MacintoshGeek | anybody can help us here?.. |
| 23:03.25 | Jon_yoosic | I'm looking for a new phone for my own use. I might as well try to buy one that is compatiblle. |
| 23:03.37 | Jon_yoosic | MacGeek what do you need help with? |
| 23:04.01 | Jon_yoosic | Just ask and provide as much info as you can (pastebin.com is a big help for logfiles and stuff) |
| 23:04.53 | MacintoshGeek | just want to de-encrypt dfu files for iphone... |
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| 23:05.42 | MacintoshGeek | http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/061-3883.20070927.In76t/iPhone1,1_1.1.1_3A109a_Restore.ipsw |
| 23:05.58 | MacintoshGeek | change the extension to .zip.. |
| 23:11.59 | juri_ | this is most certainly not an iphone help channel. |
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| 23:12.53 | y1101 | pretty please? ;-) just kidding. fair enough reply! |
| 23:13.50 | ljp | whats an iphone? |
| 23:15.31 | alphabeat | / j #iphone ? |
| 23:16.20 | MacintoshGeek | nope.. |
| 23:16.42 | MacintoshGeek | ljp: its apple computers mobile phone.. |
| 23:17.05 | Lynet | *rolleyes* |
| 23:17.18 | MacintoshGeek | hahahahha |
| 23:17.18 | mwester | Oh those guys -- they make the Apple Lisa, too, right? |
| 23:17.29 | MacintoshGeek | yeah |
| 23:17.33 | MacintoshGeek | in 80's |
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| 23:17.43 | MacintoshGeek | where do you guys from?.. |
| 23:17.51 | Lynet | Yeah, didn't they xerox it from another company? |
| 23:17.52 | mwester | The 80's. |
| 23:18.36 | MacintoshGeek | that's stupid microsoft.. |
| 23:18.51 | MacintoshGeek | theft! |
| 23:20.52 | juri_ | danger: danger: the reality distortion field is contageous! |
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| 23:22.34 | y1101 | no, just the opposite. we want to free our iphones to be able to install openmoko on them! |
| 23:23.06 | juri_ | good luck. you need a lot more info than you have. :) |
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| 23:24.00 | MacintoshGeek | huhuhu |
| 23:25.00 | y1101 | plodding along at irc.osx86.hu #iphone-dev . peace out. |
| 23:25.28 | MacintoshGeek | yeah..peace out.. |
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| 23:28.33 | ljp | wow.. dude.. the colors! |
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| 23:36.55 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: how do you compile your qtopia images? My attempts to build them always fail at the same point, and it seems I'm misincluding something (so my hacked-up recipe is probably incorrect) |
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