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| 00:03.41 | kristian-m | cesarb you can always add a third thing to fight too... ;-) |
| 00:03.44 | kristian-m | night |
| 00:03.59 | Ghiottone | nite kristian-m |
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| 00:17.11 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Brainey]] [[User:Fwendt]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 00:30.17 | borg_ | p/qui |
| 00:46.05 | mwester-laptop | cesarb: The dialer loading problem requires one to revert libmokoui2 -- that's the problem that prevented mickey|portugal from creating a new snapshot before he left :( |
| 00:46.55 | mwester-laptop | But even so, the matchbox panel crashes at startup more often than not. |
| 00:47.00 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: ah... so THAT was the libmokoui2 issue everyone was talking about! |
| 00:47.21 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: i thought the panel crashed when gsmd died... |
| 00:47.35 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: (well, not every time gsmd died, but...) |
| 00:47.44 | mwester-laptop | No, it seems that gsmd's problems masked some other issues. |
| 00:49.57 | mwester-laptop | Also, I discovered that we need a "hangup" menu item on the GSM antenna icon, so that you can at least end a call when the dialer crashes. |
| 00:50.52 | Ghiottone | nite all |
| 00:51.19 | mwester-laptop | g'nite sir. |
| 00:52.13 | jannu | any news on the HXD8 hardware? |
| 00:52.40 | jannu | apart from the information in the wiki i mean |
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| 00:56.17 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: isn't the "power down antenna" item enough? |
| 01:02.19 | cb22 | <jannu> any news on the HXD8 hardware? |
| 01:02.23 | cb22 | anyone? |
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| 01:04.01 | jannu | my main interest is on the GSM part |
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| 01:04.46 | jannu | and whether there's a touch screen |
| 01:05.35 | jannu | 'cause I was planning on finally finishing the GUI work i started back in February |
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| 01:06.27 | cb22 | the gui work you started back in febuary? |
| 01:06.38 | jannu | well, proposals really |
| 01:06.46 | cb22 | ah |
| 01:06.53 | cb22 | i'd imagine it has a touch screen |
| 01:07.26 | jannu | cb22: yeah, i'd think so too |
| 01:08.22 | cb22 | jannu, it does |
| 01:08.26 | cb22 | https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/hxd8-core.patch |
| 01:08.33 | cb22 | search for touch screen in that patch |
| 01:08.54 | jannu | cb22: thanks |
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| 01:09.54 | jannu | cb22: the main question for me was whether to work on touch screen -based GUIs with a wide-screen aspect ratio |
| 01:10.12 | cb22 | hmm |
| 01:10.50 | jannu | cb22: and touch screen -based GUIs for wide-screen and phone capabilities |
| 01:11.44 | jannu | cb22: not that 4:3 and 16:9 aspect ratios make a big difference, but still |
| 01:12.46 | jannu | cb22: actually the real issue is screen size in real-world units |
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| 01:13.26 | cb22 | the hxd is 480x272 IIRc and the neo 480x640 |
| 01:17.29 | jannu | cb22: I meant in centimetres/inches |
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| 01:17.59 | jannu | cb22: to determine the area that you actually see |
| 01:18.06 | jannu | cb22: and touch |
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| 01:33.56 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: btw, the coolest thing about your finding is that it explains why I was sometimes seeing ATZ and ATE0V1 echoed back TWICE |
| 01:34.13 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: gsmd sent ATZ, and the modem (with its echo on) sent back ATZ |
| 01:34.32 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: the kernel echoed the ATZ back, and thus the modem (still with echo on) sent back (again) ATZ |
| 01:34.42 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: the greatest mistery is why it happened only twice :D |
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| 02:33.28 | mwester-laptop | cesarb: there was a 1-second delay followed by a flush of the serial port buffers built in - that should have been enough to flush out all the garbage, and start afresh. |
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| 02:35.06 | mwester-laptop | Except for the fact that HW flow control was turned on -- at some point the buffer filled, flow control turned off the transmit of the modem, leaving garbage buffered in the modem's transmit buffer -- which ended up confoosing gsmd. |
| 02:36.08 | mwester-laptop | So the workaround is to disable echo. It would also be wise if the code in gsmd would do a series of short delay-flush operations, rather than one long one. |
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| 03:13.46 | gcb77 | are there supposed to be 2 Torx screws or just one in the GTA01bv4? |
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| 03:31.46 | BLUG-fred | morning. Anyway to upgrade the OpenMoko phone to be usable as a phone yet? |
| 03:31.58 | bmidgley | qtopia? |
| 03:32.09 | bmidgley | (ducks) |
| 03:32.11 | BLUG-fred | I see.. well thanks. |
| 03:32.39 | bmidgley | still need power management and more stability in the gsm handling |
| 03:33.46 | BLUG-fred | so as a novice is there anything I can do then? |
| 03:34.12 | bmidgley | you can file bugs or correct things in the wiki |
| 03:34.17 | ljp | qtopia is good |
| 03:34.36 | ljp | i am going to issue a qtopia update soon |
| 03:34.39 | bmidgley | hey you're not impartial :) |
| 03:34.43 | bmidgley | cool |
| 03:34.45 | ljp | nope. i am not |
| 03:34.57 | BLUG-fred | well the current image I have is so... unusable that I do not dare to file anything |
| 03:35.12 | BLUG-fred | does contact sync work? |
| 03:36.50 | BLUG-fred | ok.. well I'll try qtopia to see how it looks like then.. thanks |
| 03:37.48 | ljp | turn suspend off :) |
| 03:38.22 | BLUG-fred | what does suspend do? |
| 03:38.57 | mwester-laptop | ljp: updated to the 2.6.22 kernel? |
| 03:39.10 | BLUG-fred | (or does not do) |
| 03:39.24 | bmidgley | BLUG-fred: suspend works fine, it's the resume that is broken |
| 03:39.40 | BLUG-fred | haha... ok |
| 03:41.39 | ljp | yes, updated kernel |
| 03:42.19 | bmidgley | ljp: I was able to ipkg upgrade and replace the kernel and qtopia kept working |
| 03:42.20 | mwester-laptop | :) Dual-boot should be easier then |
| 03:42.27 | bmidgley | but no qtopia components were upgraded :( |
| 03:43.36 | juri_ | fix it. :) |
| 03:47.44 | xL0GiC | would the agps on the neo work as an external gps device like to plug it into google earth through bluetooth? |
| 03:48.07 | xL0GiC | i mean could that functionality be added? |
| 03:48.28 | bmidgley | xLOGiC yes but initially it would be a bit of a scripted up hackish thing |
| 03:49.22 | bmidgley | I did something similar with gumstix and hacked it to allow two client connections at once |
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| 03:51.17 | xL0GiC | cool.. i wish i knew how to code and / or owned a neo.. |
| 03:51.36 | mwester-laptop | I know where you can buy one, xL0GiC |
| 03:51.54 | bmidgley | gps repeater should be in the gui at some point |
| 03:52.12 | jannu | ljp: any suggestions on howto test the qtopia 4.3 ui without a neo or greenphone? |
| 03:52.50 | xL0GiC | mwester-laptop: wasn't it sold out? |
| 03:53.21 | mwester-laptop | Apparently another batch will be shipping out shortly |
| 03:54.47 | xL0GiC | hmmm |
| 03:55.38 | xL0GiC | i'll look into that. but still gta02 looks like it's worth the wait. specially for non-devs |
| 03:55.41 | ljp | jannu: if you just want to test the ui, you can dl the source, and compile it (for qvfb) and run it with the Neo skin |
| 03:58.01 | jannu | ljp: ok. i'm mostly interested in the chosen ui concepts&approaches to usual smartphone stuff |
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| 04:02.25 | jannu | ljp: i.e. general ui choices, voice-based communication, text-based communication, calendar, etc |
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| 04:02.42 | BLUG-fred | is there any getting started guide that showcase what's doable, what can be install and so on? |
| 04:03.00 | BLUG-fred | I found something, but there are so many warnings.. that I felt that was not for me |
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| 04:18.30 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu]] |
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| 04:57.35 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 05:15.35 | CM | morning |
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| 06:02.16 | gcb77 | anyone here gone through the un-brick procedure? |
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| 06:12.20 | rwhitby | gcb77: yep |
| 06:13.06 | gcb77 | rwhitby: may I trouble you with a few questions? |
| 06:13.49 | gcb77 | I flashed a dev-version uBoot yesterday and the NEO won't start up any more |
| 06:13.50 | rwhitby | go for it - reponses may be delayed since I'm at work. |
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| 06:14.08 | gcb77 | cool, thank you |
| 06:14.13 | gcb77 | Here's where I'm at: |
| 06:14.19 | rwhitby | first of all, are you sure it's not a battery charge issue? |
| 06:14.40 | gcb77 | yes, tested both batteries, both should be at least half full |
| 06:15.26 | rwhitby | ok, where are you at with devirginator and the debug board then |
| 06:15.34 | gcb77 | I have the NEO dis-assembled, hooked up to the debug board, openocd set up and configured |
| 06:15.46 | gcb77 | I'm using the MokoMakefile version |
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| 06:15.55 | gcb77 | by setting PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 06:16.02 | rwhitby | ok |
| 06:16.08 | gcb77 | I run openocd and get: |
| 06:16.25 | gcb77 | Error: jtag.c:1253 jtag_examine_chain(): JTAG communication failure, check connection, JTAG interface, target power etc. |
| 06:16.30 | gcb77 | Error: jtag.c:1440 jtag_init(): trying to validate configured JTAG chain anyway... |
| 06:16.34 | gcb77 | Error: jtag.c:1346 jtag_validate_chain(): Error validating JTAG scan chain, IR mismatch, scan returned 0x00 |
| 06:16.42 | gcb77 | then eventually |
| 06:16.43 | gcb77 | Error: jtag.c:1448 jtag_init(): Could not validate JTAG chain, exit |
| 06:17.01 | rwhitby | ok, pastebin your openocd config file |
| 06:17.56 | gcb77 | http://pastebin.com/m6506411 |
| 06:18.11 | gcb77 | Am I supposed to be pushing the power button on the NEO? |
| 06:18.29 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Mokopedia]] |
| 06:19.04 | rwhitby | line 10 looks weird |
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| 06:21.01 | gcb77 | in that its only supposed to have <vid> and <pid>? |
| 06:22.10 | roh | gcb77 http://pastebin.com/m46993da0 |
| 06:22.18 | roh | thats what i'm using |
| 06:24.02 | gcb77 | I get the same error with that file... I get the feeling I'm missing a step here |
| 06:24.25 | roh | well.. try re-seating the fpc connectors |
| 06:24.31 | gcb77 | Once I plug the board in to the USB is there any buttons to push? |
| 06:24.34 | roh | theyre a bit tricky |
| 06:24.49 | roh | gcb77 the button on the board should reset the moko |
| 06:25.17 | roh | also do sudo modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x1457 product=0x5118 |
| 06:25.27 | roh | that gives you 2 serials /dev/ttyUSB0 and 1 |
| 06:25.41 | roh | when you start openocd the first (0) vanishes |
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| 06:26.01 | roh | the second (/dev/ttyUSB1) is where the real serial of the moko is connected. |
| 06:26.14 | gcb77 | Is the moko supposed to be hooked up to the battery? |
| 06:26.21 | roh | use screen /dev/ttyUSB1 115200 or a similar tool to connect there |
| 06:26.23 | roh | jap |
| 06:26.41 | gcb77 | hmm, power. Thought I might be missing something |
| 06:26.41 | roh | insert fpc, connect debugboard to power, insert battery, connect usb to moko |
| 06:26.47 | rob_w | i cant sync with http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/ipk |
| 06:27.00 | rob_w | but i can ping openmoko.org ? what could this be ? |
| 06:27.28 | roh | best is when you use real differen ports for the debugport and the moko. i need to use one usb on the right and one on the left of my thinkpad |
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| 06:31.48 | gcb77 | yes, openocd is now connected! |
| 06:32.39 | roh | :) |
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| 06:33.59 | roh | then do the reset_and_halt, upload lowlevel-foo, run it till breakpoint, upload uboot, run it, flash it with itself-game ;) |
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| 06:39.19 | gcb77_ | Is there a way now to just flash a new uBoot, or do I have to reset NAND? |
| 06:43.09 | clee | any folks who could hook me up with a phone around? |
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| 06:50.35 | roh | gcb77_ you should be able to just flash uboot if the rest of the flash is fine (oob areas, uboot env) |
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| 06:56.46 | gcb77_ | roh: I think uboot is bad... would I flash it using the debug board? |
| 06:58.10 | rob_w | cu: creat (/var/lock/TMP00000073b2): Permission denied |
| 06:58.10 | rob_w | cu: /dev/ttyACM0: Line in use |
| 06:58.16 | rob_w | why is this ? |
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| 07:04.00 | roh | gcb77_ jap. |
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| 07:07.26 | roh | hm.. seems i should reencode this abcnews flash snippet to something people can watch |
| 07:09.23 | gcb77_ | roh: do I just run script.ocd, or does that reset all of NAND? |
| 07:10.33 | roh | oeh.. i dunno which script that is |
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| 07:13.03 | gcb77_ | ah, I see. If I read this right, running Stage 1 should get me a new uboot, and leave the other NAND blocks alone |
| 07:13.58 | roh | gcb77_ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Using_JTAG_to_boot_from_RAM should have the correct stuff |
| 07:14.19 | roh | load lowlevel_foo, execute these few hundred bytes to get sdram up |
| 07:14.37 | roh | then uboot gets into ram and executed to be used to flash itself into nand again |
| 07:15.38 | gcb77_ | I'm using kermit to connecto to /dev/ttyUSB1... should I be getting a prompt there? |
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| 07:15.58 | roh | when uboot is up and running, yes |
| 07:16.12 | roh | eh.. dunno about kermit..l never used that. i use screen for serials |
| 07:17.42 | gcb77_ | Switched to screen, and I get the same. I see "20480 bytes read: OK", then nothing |
| 07:19.27 | gcb77_ | My guess is I need to run through at at least Phase 1 of the devirginator, get a good uboot back |
| 07:21.34 | roh | sorry for beeing not much help right now.. i just got up and will need some time and caffeine to boot my brains through |
| 07:23.50 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.51 | bedboi | it seems that in my case roaming is not working |
| 07:23.57 | bedboi | i'm in US with an italian card |
| 07:24.03 | bedboi | it says it has some signal |
| 07:24.08 | bedboi | but nobody can reach me |
| 07:24.19 | roh | http://yamato.hyte.de/moko/ has the abc video in some more usable formats |
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| 07:39.58 | gcb77_ | I'm not having much luck with the debug board |
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| 07:42.38 | rob__w | soo .. finally my neo is going to be uptodate |
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| 07:44.53 | drath | gcb77_: what's the problem? |
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| 07:45.21 | gcb77_ | drath: I telnet to localhost on 4444, it connects, and get nothing |
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| 07:45.56 | drath | you mean no output except for the telnet client telling you it connected? |
| 07:46.21 | gcb77_ | yes |
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| 07:48.30 | drath | hum, it should greet you with Open On-Chip Debugger |
| 07:48.31 | drath | > |
| 07:48.49 | drath | did you change your .cfg since you pasted it an hour ago? |
| 07:49.05 | gcb77_ | I'm back to the original one I pasted |
| 07:49.13 | gcb77_ | I tried the one roh posted, with the same results |
| 07:50.22 | drath | can you run the OpenOCD with "-d -l <logfile>", and paste that? |
| 07:50.33 | drath | let it run for a few seconds, then kill it with SIGINT |
| 07:51.38 | gcb77_ | Error: server.c:159 add_service(): couldn't bind to socket: Address already in use |
| 07:51.48 | drath | kill all OpenOCD instances |
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| 07:55.29 | gcb77_ | drath: ok, this time I got a prompt... somehow |
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| 07:56.55 | drath | ok, you should always make sure that there's no leftover instance running |
| 07:57.05 | drath | make sure you're using the latest libftdi |
| 07:57.30 | gcb77_ | drath: yes, between the screen sessions, kermit, and telnet I must have locked something up |
| 07:57.43 | gcb77_ | I'm running with libs and binaries made by MokoMakefile |
| 07:59.03 | drath | ok, guess they should have the current version |
| 08:01.52 | gcb77_ | drath: is it safe to run "devirginate -1" or will that erase NAND? |
| 08:03.35 | drath | sorry, i don't know much about moko |
| 08:05.51 | gcb77_ | he he, I just wrote uboot at 0 |
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| 08:26.29 | mbuf | does anyone have a solution to this? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-September/001558.html |
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| 08:29.11 | Ghiottone|work | goodday #openmoko |
| 08:29.50 | gcb77_ | rwhitby, roh, drath thank you very much for the help, I got to the smiley face stage and will continue tomorow |
| 08:31.13 | rwhitby | gcb77_: once you get the smiley face, the rest should be dfu-util stuff |
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| 08:35.08 | mbuf | any suggestions on how to package GTK+ programs with .bb in the build environment (OM2007.2) ? |
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| 08:49.26 | CM | roh: Nice report on abc, thanks for the link :) |
| 08:52.08 | roh | mbuf do you have a makefile which does linking and setting up cflags? |
| 08:52.35 | mbuf | roh, yes that part works |
| 08:52.50 | mbuf | roh, i get a binary ARM file, which I can run on the target; |
| 08:53.08 | mbuf | roh, i would like to create a .bb file that i would like end-users to just install and test |
| 08:53.44 | mbuf | roh, this works, http://free-opensource.qvantel.net/mediawiki/index.php/OpenMoko_Hello_World_Debian_20072#Standalone_Makefile |
| 08:55.43 | mbuf | roh, i am stuck here, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-September/001558.html |
| 08:56.24 | roh | mbuf hm.. i'm not sure.. but can you try DEPENDS = instead of DEPENDS += ? |
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| 08:58.14 | mbuf | roh, nah, i get same error, gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory |
| 08:59.01 | roh | hm... well.. i'll run into the same problems later when i need to build a package for a friend. ;) |
| 08:59.43 | roh | so i'll reply to your mail if not anyone with more bb experience did in the meantime.. need to move now.. |
| 08:59.47 | roh | bbl |
| 08:59.51 | mbuf | roh, i saw some of the .bb files in the oe sources, all just include "inherit openmoko" |
| 08:59.59 | mbuf | roh, thanks for your time |
| 09:00.20 | roh | mbuf yeah.. ive searched where the gtk includes are from, but it seems they come from libmokoui2 .. |
| 09:00.44 | roh | which makes sense.. i just don't get where c and ldflags are set via autoconf/automake |
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| 09:01.10 | roh | thats where the includepath needs to come from so gcc can find gtk/gtk.h |
| 09:01.27 | roh | later |
| 09:01.35 | mbuf | roh, yup, later |
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| 09:07.28 | emdete | this is interesting for me too. i often wonder how that works. isn't there a wiki about that? how do developers at om work? do they always make bui..., package, install? |
| 09:07.53 | mbuf | emdete, most of their packages are integrated with the build environment, so i am not sure |
| 09:08.09 | mbuf | emdete, i believe ScaredyCat wrote the wiki HOWTO on local/overlay packages? |
| 09:08.51 | emdete | for my package i set absolut path in the makefile - not the right solution |
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| 09:09.32 | mbuf | emdete, i get an executable, that is fine; but I can't expect end-users to just test run it; it easier for them to install a package; |
| 09:10.19 | emdete | same for me - i get an executable and rsync that to the neo |
| 09:11.03 | emdete | or i get an ipk to install. but i source one of the scripts that bitbake generates.. :D also not the right solution |
| 09:12.49 | emdete | i also wrote a configure script which just writes env & parameters to a logfile to understand where the pathes come from - did not see those :/ |
| 09:15.00 | emdete | mbuf: have you build webkit? it uses qmake or am i wrong - how does /that/ work? i dont understand the dir structure of gdklauncher at all.... |
| 09:15.51 | mbuf | emdete, no idea about webkit; have to ask Mickey to use qmake; i like to stick with make :) |
| 09:17.05 | emdete | is qmake from trolltech? |
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| 09:19.39 | ljp | emdete: yes |
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| 09:30.25 | emdete | strange... i don't understand gdklauncher at all :/ |
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| 09:44.09 | Richard | Happy Mid-Autumn Day, everyone! |
| 09:47.16 | CM | The dark half of the year is here.. :( |
| 09:48.22 | ljp | or the hot half... |
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| 09:52.30 | CM | 99.5% of the earths population live south of my latiude |
| 09:54.06 | ljp | been there.. done that |
| 09:54.40 | CM | Oh well, I have a bright monitor! :D |
| 09:55.07 | ljp | i kinda miss the snow... |
| 09:55.32 | CM | Yes, it's worst before everything turns white |
| 09:56.01 | ljp | nothin like a moonlight ski |
| 10:02.56 | Kaloz | ljp: howdy :) don't want to brother you, but any news for me? |
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| 10:18.49 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] |
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| 10:27.23 | winkler | Hi |
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| 10:29.51 | Ghiottone|work | hello |
| 10:30.07 | emdete | hi |
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| 11:22.46 | nbd | hrm... why does openembedded break every single time i try to build a new version? |
| 11:23.36 | cesarb | nbd: it's not OE, it's webkit-gtk which follows SVN and tends to break a lot... |
| 11:24.02 | nbd | last time i had to fix 5 packages from OE before it compiled |
| 11:26.00 | RalphEichelberge | grüße aus Östereich :) |
| 11:26.08 | RalphEichelberge | how are you guys |
| 11:26.39 | RalphEichelberge | well me, I have managed to finaly brick my neo |
| 11:26.47 | SpeedEvil | Congratulations! |
| 11:26.53 | SpeedEvil | What did you do? |
| 11:27.00 | RalphEichelberge | i have been throug all the wiki s now |
| 11:27.16 | SpeedEvil | And do you have a debug board. |
| 11:27.31 | RalphEichelberge | what the hack is OpenOcd and JTag |
| 11:27.40 | RalphEichelberge | yes i do hava a debug board |
| 11:27.45 | SpeedEvil | What did you do? |
| 11:28.02 | RalphEichelberge | i connected the debug board to my neo |
| 11:28.25 | RalphEichelberge | i connected the debug board to my host |
| 11:28.41 | RalphEichelberge | i have my /dev/ttyUSB0 and 1 up now |
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| 11:29.25 | SpeedEvil | What initially did you do in order to brick it? |
| 11:29.59 | Ganneff | the wrong thing |
| 11:30.12 | RalphEichelberge | i had to build libftdi-0.10 'cause ubuntu newses ist 0.7 |
| 11:30.18 | RalphEichelberge | well, i dont know |
| 11:30.32 | RalphEichelberge | I just hat it run for a couple of days |
| 11:30.35 | RalphEichelberge | doning nothing |
| 11:30.52 | RalphEichelberge | than i started my host again and gone it was |
| 11:30.56 | SpeedEvil | Are you sure it's simply not a flat battery? |
| 11:31.04 | RalphEichelberge | hu? |
| 11:31.18 | RalphEichelberge | well i allway was connected |
| 11:31.28 | RalphEichelberge | but sure you are right |
| 11:31.39 | SpeedEvil | Do you have a multimeter? |
| 11:32.12 | SpeedEvil | Unless you were actively doing stuff - flashing uboot, or doing dd randomly to the flash device, it should not be brickable |
| 11:32.12 | RalphEichelberge | well, i think so |
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| 11:32.27 | RalphEichelberge | how long do it need to load |
| 11:32.54 | RalphEichelberge | does it load while still not responding? |
| 11:33.54 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger |
| 11:34.03 | RalphEichelberge | thx |
| 11:34.10 | SpeedEvil | See the info at the bottom |
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| 11:41.23 | RalphEichelberge | the debug board dont work without a loaded battery in the neo, righ? |
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| 11:43.29 | SpeedEvil | possibly not. |
| 11:43.43 | SpeedEvil | Certainly not I think actuallyh |
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| 11:48.28 | RalphEichelberge | the thing is, i had neo starting the complete system before it stalled and never got back on |
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| 11:50.00 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean by complete system, and stalled? |
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| 11:51.26 | RalphEichelberge | well it did boot and while starting up the UI it stopped playing the start sound, while making a nasty noise - than switch itself off |
| 11:51.49 | SpeedEvil | That's exactly what would be expected if the battery was flat. |
| 11:51.56 | RalphEichelberge | oh |
| 11:51.58 | RalphEichelberge | ok |
| 11:52.08 | SpeedEvil | The battery charging stuff is broken at the moment. |
| 11:52.37 | RalphEichelberge | well, how to charge it then? |
| 11:52.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3036 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 11:52.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: |
| 11:52.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-search-bar.c: |
| 11:52.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Fix some typos in the documentation |
| 11:54.28 | RalphEichelberge | isnt it enought to let it load 10 hours now? |
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| 12:07.12 | RalphEichelberge | I GOT IT BACK ON! |
| 12:07.29 | RalphEichelberge | how to get to the fast loading mode? |
| 12:07.44 | RalphEichelberge | i am in the u-boot menu now |
| 12:08.41 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Isn't it an option for that? |
| 12:08.54 | RalphEichelberge | ? |
| 12:08.59 | CM | I can't remember, since my uboot menu is broken :( |
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| 12:09.14 | RalphEichelberge | i am sorry for you :( |
| 12:09.32 | RalphEichelberge | but no there isnt a optinon in the u boot |
| 12:09.34 | CM | RalphEichelberge: I guess http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger says how to do it? |
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| 12:10.06 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Ah, it's not default |
| 12:10.31 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Check http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Battery_charger_related |
| 12:10.37 | RalphEichelberge | no there is only that there is a driver |
| 12:11.01 | RalphEichelberge | what mean set console to usb btw? |
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| 12:13.24 | RalphEichelberge | however, guys, it is up again |
| 12:13.37 | RalphEichelberge | thx for beeing with me :) |
| 12:16.59 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Set console to usb is what you have to to to be able to use cu or minicom to /dev/ttyACM0 to access the neo in u-boot mode |
| 12:17.32 | RalphEichelberge | i have booted linux and prevented it from startig up X - now it ist in fast chage mode |
| 12:17.33 | RalphEichelberge | root@fic-gta01:/$ cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode |
| 12:17.34 | RalphEichelberge | fast_cccv |
| 12:17.51 | RalphEichelberge | i see - if i go to serial what happens? |
| 12:18.10 | RalphEichelberge | there is no serial, rightr? |
| 12:18.36 | CM | It's serial over usb :) |
| 12:18.45 | RalphEichelberge | really? |
| 12:18.47 | RalphEichelberge | ok |
| 12:18.59 | RalphEichelberge | now my mission is to read from SIM |
| 12:19.08 | CM | The thing is that it's the same serial that's used for communicating with the gsm modem |
| 12:19.10 | RalphEichelberge | how would you start ? |
| 12:19.19 | CM | What do you want to read from the sim? |
| 12:19.22 | CM | Doesn't that work? |
| 12:19.30 | RalphEichelberge | the SIM-Operator ID |
| 12:19.43 | CM | I'd use the gsmd console |
| 12:19.47 | santaclaus666 | hey, how about somone to do somthing like this for the NEO <http://www.eddiem.com/nerds/tiki-index.php?page=Sonar+CE> ;P |
| 12:20.20 | CM | RalphEichelberge: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_shell_mode |
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| 12:21.52 | RalphEichelberge | well nice the |
| 12:21.57 | RalphEichelberge | sonar |
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| 12:22.10 | hhf423 | moin |
| 12:22.12 | RalphEichelberge | i did the shell mode allready |
| 12:22.32 | CM | santaclaus666: Heh, cool thing |
| 12:22.37 | RalphEichelberge | but there is no option to read the SIM's Data |
| 12:22.56 | RalphEichelberge | i guess there are AT-command |
| 12:22.59 | RalphEichelberge | s |
| 12:23.01 | RalphEichelberge | to do so |
| 12:23.02 | CM | santaclaus666: I wonder if you can use the stereo speakers on the neo for even better accuracy |
| 12:23.15 | CM | There's a list of all AT-commands in the wiki too |
| 12:23.30 | RalphEichelberge | yes - i got the pdf too |
| 12:23.37 | santaclaus666 | yah ;) probably it can be combined in some way with the 3d acceleromerter and the gps ;) |
| 12:23.46 | RalphEichelberge | now i only have to find a working image again |
| 12:23.50 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Hey, you're a step ahead every time now ;) |
| 12:24.12 | RalphEichelberge | CM :) |
| 12:24.54 | RalphEichelberge | there was a URL with uptodate snapshots of the image - do you kown it? |
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| 12:25.29 | Placid | hi |
| 12:28.30 | CM | RalphEichelberge: You mean ScaredyCat's images? |
| 12:28.36 | CM | Or the official build host? |
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| 12:29.55 | Ghiottone|work | hey placid |
| 12:30.01 | CM | I don't know if there's any images availible with mwester's patches that fix gsmd |
| 12:30.40 | Ghiottone|work | I think that it may be skipped by build host because of the sane rev mechanism |
| 12:31.23 | CM | Heh, I haven't seen a sane rev for almost a month.. ;) |
| 12:32.03 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Here's some fairly recent images at least: http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ |
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| 12:49.41 | sannes | CM : mwester's fix, have you seen it? Would it be something like: stty -F /dev/ttyACM0 -echo ? |
| 12:50.55 | CM | sannes: Look at http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=788#c20 |
| 12:52.04 | RalphEichelberge | ok again me |
| 12:52.06 | CM | Haven't tried that latest patch either |
| 12:52.14 | CM | Oh no! :P |
| 12:53.40 | RalphEichelberge | i am running a neo v4 |
| 12:53.55 | RalphEichelberge | and have that problem Bug 256 |
| 12:54.07 | RalphEichelberge | is there a way to get it to work? |
| 12:54.24 | RalphEichelberge | i know - with qtopia it works fine |
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| 12:55.48 | RalphEichelberge | is there a difference in the kernel? |
| 12:57.03 | CM | No, it's the same kernel |
| 12:57.19 | RalphEichelberge | well where is the difference? |
| 12:57.41 | CM | gsmd vs qtopias way to handle the gsm modem |
| 12:58.17 | RalphEichelberge | yes i know |
| 12:58.23 | RalphEichelberge | they dont have gsmd |
| 12:58.41 | RalphEichelberge | do you know how they do communicate with the modem? |
| 12:58.51 | CM | MAybe ask ljp about it? Or in #qtopia |
| 12:59.00 | RalphEichelberge | i see |
| 12:59.08 | RalphEichelberge | thx ill try |
| 12:59.24 | CM | :) |
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| 13:02.04 | emdete | RalphEichelberge: what do you mean? |
| 13:02.26 | RalphEichelberge | emdete |
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| 13:02.43 | RalphEichelberge | i just wanted to talk to my modem in my neo |
| 13:02.50 | RalphEichelberge | but it hangs |
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| 13:03.06 | emdete | RalphEichelberge: qtopia supports gsm0710 in userland. the use there event mechanism between the apps that use the modem |
| 13:03.21 | emdete | RalphEichelberge: no hope to use that model in om |
| 13:03.30 | RalphEichelberge | i know |
| 13:03.37 | emdete | RalphEichelberge: did you follow the wiki? |
| 13:03.44 | RalphEichelberge | but if i want to use cu it hangs |
| 13:03.51 | RalphEichelberge | like in that buch 256 |
| 13:03.56 | RalphEichelberge | bug |
| 13:03.57 | zecke | emdete: well the usage of QCOP is just an implementation detail, with probably a one line change it is using dbus |
| 13:03.59 | emdete | did you reset via /sys...? |
| 13:04.33 | RalphEichelberge | i did what i found in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM |
| 13:04.37 | emdete | zecke: you won't want to use d-bus for every 32byte package especially for gprs/ppp |
| 13:05.00 | nbd | does anbody have an idea how i can get a known working webkit-gtk version in my oe/om build tree? |
| 13:05.08 | zecke | emdete: what makes you think grps is going to use QCOP/dbus? |
| 13:05.29 | zecke | nbd: the last time I checked webkit-gtk was pinned to a certain revision |
| 13:05.37 | emdete | zecke: ppp is on top of one channel of gsm0710 or am i wrong? |
| 13:05.49 | nbd | zecke: well, mine apparently builds a broken one |
| 13:06.10 | nbd | complains about missing libc symbols |
| 13:06.11 | zecke | emdete: right, but at least they used to exec a helper to use such a channel exclusively |
| 13:06.29 | zecke | emdete: so for PPPD it used to dial the number and then passed control over to pppd |
| 13:06.40 | emdete | zecke: i would like a more unix-like aproach better |
| 13:07.11 | emdete | zecke: using qcop all the time per package as i understand that |
| 13:08.25 | RalphEichelberge | also if i use libgsmd-tool -m atcmd |
| 13:08.57 | RalphEichelberge | i get this: |
| 13:08.58 | RalphEichelberge | root@fic-gta01:~$ libgsmd-tool -m atcmd |
| 13:08.58 | RalphEichelberge | libgsm-tool - (C) 2006 by Harald Welte |
| 13:08.58 | RalphEichelberge | This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 13:08.58 | RalphEichelberge | at |
| 13:08.58 | RalphEichelberge | STR=`at' |
| 13:08.59 | RalphEichelberge | root@fic-gta01:~$ libgsmd-tool -m atcmd |
| 13:09.01 | RalphEichelberge | libgsm-tool - (C) 2006 by Harald Welte |
| 13:09.03 | RalphEichelberge | This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 13:09.05 | RalphEichelberge | Can't connect to gsmd |
| 13:09.07 | RalphEichelberge | root@fic-gta01:~$ |
| 13:09.17 | emdete | RalphEichelberge: then gsmd is not running at all |
| 13:09.21 | RalphEichelberge | ? |
| 13:09.34 | RalphEichelberge | well it ran before |
| 13:09.36 | emdete | RalphEichelberge: i would start wth trying to use at in /dev/ttyACM0 drectly |
| 13:09.43 | emdete | RalphEichelberge: it dies often |
| 13:09.48 | emdete | see /tmp/gsm.log |
| 13:09.57 | emdete | you will notice the 'modem dead' message |
| 13:10.13 | emdete | after that gsmd exits - don't know why |
| 13:10.51 | RalphEichelberge | yes |
| 13:11.11 | emdete | did you try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM? |
| 13:11.14 | RalphEichelberge | and before that : gsmd_usock_user_cb() EOF, this client has just vanished |
| 13:11.22 | RalphEichelberge | yes |
| 13:11.24 | emdete | RalphEichelberge: yes, that ist libtool... |
| 13:11.56 | RalphEichelberge | you know what - libgsmd-tool worked fine in an other build |
| 13:12.02 | hhf423 | hmm, last build on buildhost from the 17th |
| 13:12.07 | hhf423 | still |
| 13:12.19 | RalphEichelberge | can u give me that url |
| 13:12.26 | RalphEichelberge | please |
| 13:12.28 | hhf423 | two more days and we're without a new build for ten days |
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| 13:13.54 | RalphEichelberge | and now my neo goes suspend and kills my ssh session every time |
| 13:14.12 | emdete | suspend? wow - cool |
| 13:14.17 | RalphEichelberge | :-/ |
| 13:14.51 | RalphEichelberge | i just pressed the power button than it flashed completey white |
| 13:15.00 | RalphEichelberge | and went back to UI |
| 13:15.34 | RalphEichelberge | strange |
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| 13:15.41 | RalphEichelberge | where is that build host ? |
| 13:15.52 | RalphEichelberge | hhf423! |
| 13:16.03 | hhf423 | second |
| 13:16.23 | RalphEichelberge | i am building one my own at the moment - will last till tomorrow i guess |
| 13:16.32 | hhf423 | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/?C=M;O=D |
| 13:16.51 | hhf423 | the list of all repositories is here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories |
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| 13:17.40 | RalphEichelberge | thx hhf423 |
| 13:18.51 | RalphEichelberge | how about ScaredyCat's builds? |
| 13:18.52 | emdete | does someone have ipk from gsmd with all the recommended patches? |
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| 13:21.30 | RalphEichelberge | SaredyCat can I take the uImage from 11 Sep while using the jffs2 from 25 th? |
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| 13:26.28 | Maledictus | What value does PCLK usually have? |
| 13:26.34 | Maledictus | in GTA01 |
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| 13:49.46 | Tjikkun_work | any ETA on the consumer version of the openmoko? |
| 13:50.43 | RalphEichelberge | i heard of a "working dialer" - where is it? |
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| 13:50.57 | goxboxlive | Tjikkun_work http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973#.22Phase_2.22_.28GTA02.2C_.22Mass_Market.22.29 |
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| 13:51.57 | Mek | but that date does not necesarily include all the software to make it realy a mass-market device... |
| 13:52.12 | RalphEichelberge | ok - some now how to kill the starting sound on neo? |
| 13:52.49 | rwhitby | http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/openmoko/stopping-the-openmoko-startup-sound.html |
| 13:53.14 | Tjikkun_work | goxboxlive: thanks |
| 13:53.50 | goxboxlive | welcome |
| 13:53.51 | Tjikkun_work | Mek: I don't care :) I will also write/port some of my own software |
| 13:53.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3037 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:53.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.h: |
| 13:53.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-hint-entry.h: |
| 13:53.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-search-bar.h: |
| 13:53.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Document enums and structs |
| 13:54.02 | RalphEichelberge | thx - wow it didnt anyway |
| 13:54.19 | RalphEichelberge | scardycat probably allready did that patch :) |
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| 14:01.39 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03chris * r3038 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-search-bar.c): |
| 14:01.39 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-search-bar.c: (moko_search_bar_class_init): |
| 14:01.39 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Document signals |
| 14:02.35 | mwester | Can anyone build webkit? |
| 14:02.50 | emdete | shure |
| 14:03.32 | emdete | what's your problem with it? |
| 14:03.57 | mwester | .../libgdk-x11-2.0.so: undefined reference to `cairo_xlib_surface_create_for_bitmap |
| 14:04.02 | mwester | and may more like it. |
| 14:04.07 | mwester | s/may/many/ |
| 14:04.19 | emdete | strange |
| 14:04.41 | mwester | I synced up about 8 hours ago and started it, I guess I'll try again. |
| 14:05.08 | mwester | (frustrating, 'cause I have a patch for the dialer "can't set antenna power" dialog box problem, and I can't test it) |
| 14:06.25 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3039 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:06.25 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.h: Remove redunent comment |
| 14:06.25 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-hint-entry.c: (moko_hint_entry_class_init): Add missing |
| 14:06.25 | CIA-23 | openmoko: documentation |
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| 14:07.41 | mwester | thomasg: do any of the commits on libmokoui2 fix the problem where one can't start the dialer? |
| 14:08.11 | thomasg | mwester: I'm sure you do not mean me :) |
| 14:09.12 | mwester | Oops, sorry! |
| 14:10.09 | CM | I build webkit just a while ago, and it works, but midori is broken |
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| 14:13.26 | RalphEichelberge | hello CM |
| 14:13.45 | RalphEichelberge | if I go: |
| 14:13.46 | RalphEichelberge | cat /dev/ttySAC0 & |
| 14:13.50 | RalphEichelberge | and do |
| 14:14.05 | RalphEichelberge | echo "AT" > /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 14:14.10 | Maledictus | Anyone able to access a sd-image from u-boot in qemu? |
| 14:14.28 | RalphEichelberge | i get a "AT" back - but no "OK" - why? |
| 14:15.51 | RalphEichelberge | i did everything like in wiki manually using GSM |
| 14:15.59 | RalphEichelberge | but cu is not installed so.. |
| 14:16.15 | CM | cu? |
| 14:16.32 | CM | You can't use the serial modem at the same time as the gsm, iirc |
| 14:16.48 | RalphEichelberge | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.05 | RalphEichelberge | wiki says |
| 14:17.10 | CM | Ah, sorry. I thought you meant from the pc |
| 14:17.22 | CM | Yes, from the phone it should work |
| 14:17.45 | RalphEichelberge | yes - and my variation should work too |
| 14:17.56 | RalphEichelberge | but i just get the echo - no responce |
| 14:18.00 | CM | Did you try diabling the hw flow control? |
| 14:18.28 | CM | check http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=788#c15 |
| 14:18.30 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:ChrisLord]] [[User:Zash]] |
| 14:18.31 | RalphEichelberge | i did stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts |
| 14:18.40 | CM | Ok, and that didn't help? |
| 14:18.43 | mwester | RalphEichelberge: You need to do much more than "echo" to get the GSM modem to work. Disable echo as well. |
| 14:18.44 | CM | Weird.. |
| 14:19.05 | CM | RalphEichelberge: There's some who knows! :) |
| 14:19.08 | mwester | stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts -echo |
| 14:19.09 | RalphEichelberge | how to get a OK afer a AT |
| 14:19.24 | mwester | Also, make sure that you enable the gsm modem |
| 14:19.41 | mwester | The best way is to use gsmd; cu will work as well. |
| 14:21.45 | mwester | What image are you running on your phone that doesn't have cu? |
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| 14:23.43 | BabelO0 | http |
| 14:23.51 | BabelO0 | sorry |
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| 14:25.26 | dpavlin | does anybody else has a problem flashing using flash.sh with qemu-neo1973? |
| 14:25.39 | viq | dpavlin: yes |
| 14:27.41 | RalphEichelberge | mwester: OpenMoko-scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20070925-fic-gta01.rootfs |
| 14:27.52 | dpavlin | viq: Turning off gadgetfs and rebuilding it might help. |
| 14:28.25 | viq | gadgetfs? Where is that? |
| 14:29.13 | dpavlin | if you want to use networking between linux host and qemu... |
| 14:29.37 | dpavlin | it works for me when gadgetfs is disabled (by default it is), but when I compile it with gadgetfs it doesn't... |
| 14:29.58 | dpavlin | gadgetfs is explained at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu#Setting_up_USB_connection |
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| 14:31.20 | viq | oh, thanks |
| 14:31.20 | PBeck | hi |
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| 14:36.20 | viq | dpavlin: it doesn't seem gadgetfs is enabled, at least I didn't do anything to enable it. |
| 14:37.32 | mwester | RalphEichelberge: check to see if /usr/bin/cu exists |
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| 14:38.22 | torpor | dpavlin: i use gadget drivers. currently wogking on g_audio.o for the moko (and other arm devices..) |
| 14:39.06 | cb22 | g_audio? would that make the phone appear as a usb audio device i take it? |
| 14:39.14 | torpor | youp |
| 14:39.16 | torpor | yes |
| 14:39.22 | cb22 | nice |
| 14:40.27 | torpor | 24 audio soundcard. |
| 14:40.30 | torpor | plug it in, whatever you want for routing, etc. |
| 14:40.36 | torpor | when it works. |
| 14:40.54 | torpor | midi too, so 'total integration' .. |
| 14:41.04 | BabelO0 | torpor you start from g_midi ? |
| 14:41.21 | torpor | sort of want to push idi into the neo to stave off the OSC crowd from doing naughty deeds with bluetooth .. ;) |
| 14:42.12 | torpor | BabelO0: yes, i have g_midi up too .. MidiShare integration is not done on neo, but thats what i'm working on at the moment, anyway. |
| 14:42.44 | viq | How good is the neo's speaker? |
| 14:42.49 | BabelO0 | torpor : so good i ve no sound card at work, so may be usefull ;) |
| 14:43.02 | torpor | heh heh |
| 14:43.13 | torpor | plug in the headphones to listen to your PC's soundcard .. |
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| 14:43.42 | torpor | that can definitely be done through gadget, and the nice audio capabilities are highly exploitable, imho. |
| 14:43.52 | torpor | musicaly imean. |
| 14:44.30 | BabelO0 | torpor yes agree with you last time i plug my HTC Blueangel on office computer load module gmidi and play so mid file :) |
| 14:44.47 | torpor | great! |
| 14:45.26 | dpavlin | where should I submit patch for --enable-gadgetfs for qemu-neo1973? bugs? |
| 14:45.49 | torpor | straight into the openmoko tree, i reckon, or even through rafb.net if you want testing. |
| 14:46.11 | torpor | there is a bugtrac too but ican never remember what it is to be frank. |
| 14:46.51 | dpavlin | torpor: care to enaborate on that since I don't have svn commit access? |
| 14:49.24 | torpor | i don't either thats the thing. |
| 14:49.42 | torpor | if you have a patchset and want me to test compiling/running it, i can grab it from you on rafb.net, tho. |
| 14:50.37 | dpavlin | it's trivial change to configure, I don't think that testing is what is needed :-) |
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| 14:51.14 | torpor | oh i thought you meant a module for gadget or something .. |
| 14:52.26 | dpavlin | torpor: http://rafb.net/p/t4YwsN14.html is the patch... |
| 14:52.52 | dpavlin | I will try to submit it upstream too... |
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| 14:53.11 | torpor | see i have no idea about the public svn, i guess i keep missing that stuff on my rush to ignore the wiki. |
| 14:53.23 | torpor | i'm sure there's a bot in here tho, who knows the keyword.. |
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| 14:56.27 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3040 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (7 files in 3 dirs): |
| 14:56.27 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * doc/reference/tmpl/moko-stock.sgml: Add stock item documentation |
| 14:56.27 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c: |
| 14:56.27 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-hint-entry.c: |
| 14:56.27 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-search-bar.c: |
| 14:56.29 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-stock.c: |
| 14:56.31 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Add section documentation |
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| 15:05.52 | torpor | so fingerscroll is a widget .. ? |
| 15:12.45 | kristian-m | torpor it is a gtk-scroll-window i suspect |
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| 15:16.44 | torpor | kristian-m: looks like it .. might try to use it for something .. |
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| 15:18.48 | kristian-m | torpor hmm, it's a gtk container... |
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| 15:28.43 | mookid | quick test (sorry) :) |
| 15:30.04 | woglinde | failed |
| 15:31.31 | dkr | depends on whether he was testing connectivity or his netiquette skills. :) |
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| 15:34.02 | fiberspy | hey all |
| 15:34.44 | fiberspy | can anyone tell me what comes in the advanced kit that you dont get in the base? |
| 15:35.23 | woglinde | debug board |
| 15:35.27 | pjz | fiberspy: dude, read the website |
| 15:35.38 | viq | fiberspy: http://openmoko.com/products-index.html |
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| 15:36.07 | fiberspy | thx, was looking at the wiki and shop page...lol |
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| 15:48.41 | abraxa_ | mwester: ping |
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| 15:59.44 | mwester | abraxa_: pong |
| 16:00.29 | abraxa_ | mwester: Today's commits didn't fix the libmokoui2 bug and I couldn't find a bugzilla entry either. Do you happen to know of one? |
| 16:03.31 | aloril | (script) planet: Thomas Wood: libmokoui2 documentation http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/09/25/libmokoui2-documentation/ |
| 16:04.02 | mwester | abraxa_: I haven't looked for a bugzilla entry. I think we need to create one, even if its a duplicate. |
| 16:04.31 | abraxa_ | mwester: Okay, I'll do that then in a bit - the ohand guys are probably home already anyway |
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| 16:05.47 | abraxa_ | (funny how Thomas just blogged and raves about libmokoui2, too, heh :) |
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| 16:18.12 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Mokopedia]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] [[Hardware:AT_Commands]] |
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| 16:20.08 | Maledictus | Is there an overview of the address space of the s3c24xx? |
| 16:23.18 | SpeedEvil | The datasheet? |
| 16:24.16 | Maledictus | yep, I have that. But I thought maybe someone has done a nice graphic in the wiki or something like that :) |
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| 17:12.52 | hhf423 | any news on GPS? |
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| 17:15.00 | mwester | I think mickey|portugal was working with Broadcom on that, so I don't expect anything new for a couple of weeks. (and the cynic in me says it's doubtful that Broadcom will have done anything at all other than stall this effort more by then) |
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| 17:18.38 | bedboi | hi guys, any news? |
| 17:19.29 | Elrond | ~seen zdanek |
| 17:19.37 | apt | zdanek <n=b@ams122.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 3d 19h 18m ago, saying: 'cu'. |
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| 17:23.41 | PBeck | counter |
| 17:23.42 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic) (1812;252) |
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| 17:49.53 | gnu | mickey|portugal: If you're adding packages to the Sept image, add fsck.vfat and the kernel vfat module (for microSD cards) |
| 17:50.52 | mwester | gnu: I'm pretty sure the vfat module is already in the image, or am I mistaken? |
| 17:51.07 | gnu | mwester: it's not in the August image. |
| 17:51.25 | mwester | (fsck.vfat would be good, especially given how difficult it is to remove the card) |
| 17:52.41 | mwester | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 12596 Jan 1 1970 vfat.ko |
| 17:53.02 | mwester | Looks like it's in the current versions already. |
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| 18:15.40 | narcoclepsy | so whats the current status of the Neo1973? |
| 18:15.41 | aloril | narcoclepsy: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 18:18.12 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation]] [[Main_Page/sk]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 18:18.14 | narcoclepsy | ok to be more verbose having read what it can currently do... can it reliably make and receive phone calls at this juncture? |
| 18:18.59 | pH5 | should the 2.6.22.5-moko11 kernel support sdhc? |
| 18:19.09 | Mek | it seems the neo1973 certainly can do that at least with qtopia software, I believe the openmoko software is still not that reliable... |
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| 18:19.43 | pH5 | I tried with a sandisk 6gb, and while it is correctly recognized (the /sys stuff seems fine), all reads from mmcblk0 only give "error 1 transferring data" |
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| 18:23.18 | Shoragan | pH5, stefan tested it with a 4GB card, which worked ok |
| 18:24.43 | PBeck | pH5: thomasg had a 6 gb microsd sdhc card and had no problems |
| 18:25.02 | thomasg | I still have :) |
| 18:25.25 | thomasg | pH5: I have no problem at all (except booting, but this seems to be uboots fault) |
| 18:25.32 | PBeck | *has |
| 18:25.45 | pH5 | thomasg: with the 22.5-moko11 kernel? |
| 18:25.50 | thomasg | yes |
| 18:25.56 | thomasg | moko11-r2 |
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| 18:26.21 | pH5 | ok, thanks. time to recompile with mmc debug enabled, then. |
| 18:26.26 | thomasg | :) |
| 18:26.43 | thomasg | you can take a look in the wiki (supported microSD cards) to see the exact type of card I have |
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| 18:37.54 | buz | ye frigging goods i just had to respond to an sms using keypad, pure horror. and people complain about touchscreens *rolleyes* |
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| 18:40.42 | pH5 | buz: depends on what you are used to :) |
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| 18:40.48 | buz | touchscreen of course |
| 18:41.24 | buz | and just by what standard it is considered sane behavior to keep on writing capitals after writing one is beyond me, too |
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| 18:43.57 | jorgenpt | What's a good page for like "current status on important features"? |
| 18:44.03 | jorgenpt | (on the wiki) |
| 18:45.21 | Writchie | jorgenpt: there is no such page |
| 18:45.38 | Writchie | only bits and pieces on the lists, bugzilla, and here |
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| 18:46.47 | jorgenpt | What's the page that has tests of various builds? |
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| 18:50.10 | unique | hi @ all.. I have a question to someone who owns a Neo already... How easily do you touch a touchbutton with your ear while doing a phone call? or does this not really happen? |
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| 18:51.57 | buz | unique: with other touchscreen phones, it does happen. but i guess you could easily solve it by better interface design |
| 18:52.20 | buz | suppose you steal the idea from qtopia, and use a phone and handset that need to meet to hang up |
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| 18:52.37 | buz | thining about it, that's genius ;) |
| 18:53.26 | unique | buz: well I guess I'll wait for the mass market version and ask that question then again ;) |
| 18:54.41 | LarstiQ | unique: Haven't had problems with it. |
| 18:55.33 | unique | LarstiQ: well, that's good |
| 18:58.17 | unique | I'm to 80% sure that I'll buy a Neo when it is finished, but first I'll wait for tests, and reports. |
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| 19:03.01 | buz | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9554238577.html the qwerty one looks interesting save for the 2.4 stuff |
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| 19:12.13 | CM | Nice kb: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/09/25/slim_bluetooth_keypad/ |
| 19:13.34 | woglinde | cm yeah nice |
| 19:15.16 | buz | now add real buttons instead of that razr'esqe stuff and i'll buy it |
| 19:16.01 | buz | there actually is a thing this small with real buttons but it uses usb, on the plus side, it's <20usd |
| 19:16.56 | buz | http://www.cartft.com/catalog/il/478 |
| 19:17.06 | buz | (i've seen it chaper than that for sure) |
| 19:18.06 | buz | in fact, shrink it some more and glue it to neos front ;) |
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| 19:20.26 | CM | buz: hehe |
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| 19:44.32 | Elrond | Any idea why the panel crashes with the battery-plugin in it? |
| 19:46.43 | bkruse | hello |
| 19:46.52 | CM | I'm almost more surprised when the panel doesn't crash ;) |
| 19:48.19 | Elrond | CM - Remove the battery thing from its startup. |
| 19:49.40 | Elrond | Which is a mess, because it's the most useful part in the panel. |
| 19:49.56 | Elrond | Okay, next to the keyboard. |
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| 19:52.47 | borg_ | thats odd, the battery plugin worked allready years ago |
| 19:53.10 | Elrond | borg_ - Right. |
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| 19:53.22 | Writchie | one step forward two steps back |
| 19:53.42 | Elrond | matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets systray,startup \ --end-applets openmoko-panel-battery,keyboard --titlebar & |
| 19:54.03 | Elrond | That's my current start-up line. Which shows a battery symbol for some little time, than crashes. |
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| 19:56.34 | borg_ | i have problems with packaging openmoko-devel-image |
| 19:56.41 | borg_ | It's a pity that you could not extend the contract. ....... |
| 19:56.44 | borg_ | ups |
| 19:56.46 | borg_ | wrong paste ;) |
| 19:56.50 | borg_ | | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-openmoko-pim: |
| 19:56.50 | borg_ | | libspiff0 (>= 0.7.2) liburiparser0 (>= 0.5.1) |
| 19:56.55 | borg_ | any ideas? |
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| 20:04.26 | mwester | Elrond: good catch - I was trying to debug the gsm plugin on the panel, because I just jumped to the conclusion that was why it was crashing! |
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| 20:18.52 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Current_events]] [[Package_management]] |
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| 20:31.55 | bkruse | So commits get mentioned in this channel? |
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| 20:34.08 | mwester | Yep. Sometimes more than once. |
| 20:35.19 | bkruse | mwester: interesting, just from devs, or from all the projects? |
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| 20:36.13 | Elrond | mwester - That was my first conclusion. Especialy, as my neo doesn't have gsmd. ;o) So I removed the gsm-plugin. But the panel still crashed a lot. |
| 20:36.28 | mwester | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.37 | bkruse | mwester: ahh, ok |
| 20:37.02 | mwester | I haven't seen any commit messages for the projects, just the core software. |
| 20:37.42 | bkruse | mwester: that would be cool for the projects too, then you could /ignore if you wanted... |
| 20:38.19 | mwester | I think so. And if any project gets so much traffic that it's disturbing, well, they probably will have an IRC channel for that project anyway. |
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| 20:40.46 | Elrond | I'd guess, that each project has to setup the cia stuff on their own? |
| 20:41.24 | mwester | I would presume so. There is at least one website that can do that for you, but I don't remember the URL. |
| 20:41.29 | bkruse | mwester: exactly, im interested in some without having to go check on them, i believe the project manager has that option |
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| 21:36.33 | psymin | Is buying a Neo Advanced the only way for the public to get a debug board (for unbricking)? |
| 21:37.01 | mjr | you can't brick the mass-market neo without one |
| 21:37.31 | psymin | good deal :) |
| 21:37.45 | mjr | at least, you know, by flashing |
| 21:37.54 | mjr | you can still brick it with a brick |
| 21:40.40 | viq | or $liquid_of_choice ;) |
| 21:41.27 | mjr | (oh yeah, flashing it 100k times will probably also do it) |
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| 21:41.50 | viq | mjr: what, you're a flasher? ;) |
| 21:42.37 | mjr | I'm a little bit wii, and a little bit woo. I'm a geezer. |
| 21:42.41 | psymin | mostly I'm interested in the bricking methods that actually allow UNbricking with the debug board .. if it can unbrick from $liquid_of_choice then I'm sold on it :) |
| 21:43.18 | cb22__ | sure, just use $paper_towel_of_choice |
| 21:43.27 | cb22__ | thats currently the best solutions |
| 21:43.42 | mjr | yeah anyway, the mass-market neo has a known working backup bootloader in nor flash, and you can't reflash (ie. mess up) that without the debug board |
| 21:43.59 | psymin | Thats great! |
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| 21:44.23 | cb22__ | now, lets just wait tiill gta02 comes out :) |
| 21:44.43 | psymin | sounds like Christmas for Mass Market GTA02? |
| 21:45.09 | cb22__ | sure hope so |
| 21:45.19 | cb22__ | would make a nice presant |
| 21:45.24 | cb22__ | at least to get |
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| 21:58.31 | rwhitby | mwester: I also get mokomakefile commits to come here. |
| 21:58.59 | rwhitby | Elrond: I know how to set it up if any other projects want to notify commit messages here. mickey|portugal said he was happy for that to happen. |
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| 22:19.12 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[PyFeedRead]] |
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| 22:49.56 | bedboi | is there any portable shared memory IPC library? |
| 22:52.19 | mjr | how portable? There's the oll SysV SHM, and POSIX SHM |
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| 22:55.36 | bedboi | windows, linux, bsds |
| 22:55.44 | bedboi | well linux, bsds, windows :) |
| 22:56.45 | mjr | windows pretty much breaks the compatibility here... |
| 22:56.54 | bedboi | yep i know. |
| 22:57.01 | bedboi | dbus is too slow for me |
| 22:57.13 | bedboi | it adds 1.6-3.0 ms of latency |
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| 23:01.25 | Aria | What are you doing, bedboi? |
| 23:03.17 | mjr | I'd probably just do my own shm wrapper functions for windows and standard OSes separately |
| 23:05.32 | thseiler | bedboi: Well there is the old mm library that was used in apache: http://www.ossp.org/pkg/lib/mm/ |
| 23:06.07 | thseiler | bedboi: But there is no port to win32 to the best of my knowledge |
| 23:06.15 | bedboi | ah |
| 23:06.18 | bedboi | so it's useless |
| 23:06.28 | bedboi | the only think that i could think of is dbus |
| 23:06.52 | mjr | 'course you could check cygwin for sysv/posix shm implementations |
| 23:07.47 | bedboi | the problem is that i'm measuring 3-4 ms of delays |
| 23:07.49 | bedboi | in D-BUS |
| 23:08.21 | roh | bedboi well.. it also depends on what you want to do. dbus is not for bulk data, only for ipc/rpc |
| 23:08.41 | bedboi | yep |
| 23:08.58 | bedboi | i need to send at very high rate data from one module to another |
| 23:09.11 | bedboi | actually i have 1 - N communication |
| 23:09.20 | bedboi | N modules communicate with this guy |
| 23:09.21 | roh | bedboi then dbus is propably not your solution |
| 23:09.33 | bedboi | so then what? |
| 23:09.37 | bedboi | socket? |
| 23:09.50 | roh | well.. what is it what you want to do? |
| 23:09.54 | Mek | might I ask how any of this is related to openmoko? :P |
| 23:10.25 | thseiler | Mek: Interesting question ;-) |
| 23:10.47 | bedboi | Mek: the application that i'm going to run is going to work with openmoko |
| 23:10.59 | bedboi | but it has to be portable |
| 23:11.07 | bedboi | (i always write portable stuff) |
| 23:11.48 | bedboi | on the neo i'm going to expect huge performance degradation |
| 23:12.05 | bedboi | Mek: so i guess it's quite related to openmoko |
| 23:12.24 | cb22 | bedboi, what's the app about? |
| 23:12.27 | mjr | Writing portable stuff is good, but some operating systems just are hostile to portability, so *shrug* :] |
| 23:12.34 | bedboi | cb22: it's a networking application |
| 23:12.35 | Mek | okay, I wasn't really critizizing, just curious :) |
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| 23:13.00 | mjr | anyway, still'd go with the custom wrappers, shouldn't be too much of a problem |
| 23:13.04 | bedboi | cb22: it's something very new. I'm working in a research project founded by BBN and NSF |
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| 23:13.27 | cb22 | BBN and NSF? |
| 23:13.31 | bedboi | yep |
| 23:13.43 | bedboi | BBN is the one that deployed the internet as we know |
| 23:13.50 | bedboi | NSF is National Science Foundation |
| 23:13.52 | thseiler | bedboi: You might be able to build a wrapper around CreateFileMapping (win32) and mmap (linux) but it will be #ifdef hell, depending on how much locking you will have |
| 23:14.01 | bedboi | yep |
| 23:14.12 | cb22 | sounds interesting |
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| 23:14.38 | bedboi | cb22: yes it is. it is actually VERY interesting. It's redesigning the whole concept of internet. |
| 23:14.54 | bedboi | the project calls Future INternet Design (FIND) |
| 23:15.20 | thseiler | wow, got any url / link with more infos ? |
| 23:15.26 | cb22 | yeah |
| 23:15.27 | bedboi | wait |
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| 23:15.33 | cb22 | ind.isi.edu |
| 23:15.35 | cb22 | find.isi.edu |
| 23:15.47 | bedboi | http://www.tna.cnri.net/Welcome.html |
| 23:15.52 | bedboi | this is better |
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