| 00:00.25 | cesarb | jaebird: that's the bug, you will find on it a link to the relevant specification (which is very recent... gta01 was already started when it was released) |
| 00:00.40 | jaebird | right...but what about gta02? |
| 00:00.47 | cesarb | jaebird: I know from the "internets" that at least my motorola charger does short D+ to D- |
| 00:01.08 | cesarb | jaebird: too late for gta02 too ;-) (according to harald) |
| 00:01.12 | jaebird | nice |
| 00:01.13 | mwester | Another (easier and broader) test would be to disable the entire tty setup stuff in gsmd, and rely on an "stty" command to do it. At least for debugging. That would ensure that gsmd can open/close the fd without resetting any of the tty settings. |
| 00:01.24 | SpeedEvil | jaebird: it will be. It needs work done first. |
| 00:01.27 | jaebird | the PMU should be taking care of it, imo |
| 00:01.38 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately the PMU is dumb |
| 00:01.42 | SpeedEvil | it can't talk USB |
| 00:02.16 | SpeedEvil | and to do it right, we need to talk over the USB bus to see if we are connected to something that cannot supply 500mA, and if not, don't enable that mode |
| 00:02.21 | jaebird | but their should be some hardware hackery that would allow it to detect the short or resistance, et al |
| 00:02.27 | SpeedEvil | There is not. |
| 00:02.36 | SpeedEvil | There will not be in GTA02 |
| 00:02.50 | SpeedEvil | It is possible to do it in software. |
| 00:02.59 | SpeedEvil | It's just that the software has not been written. |
| 00:03.07 | jaebird | right |
| 00:03.09 | SpeedEvil | s/it/most of it/ |
| 00:03.58 | cesarb | mwester: well, the hypothesis is that _just opening and closing_ the fd is enough to flip the relevant line if crtscts is enabled |
| 00:04.58 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: detecting a short between D+ and D- does not require actually talking over the bus... just a softare-controlled pullup plus a comparer on the other end, if I'm not spouting nonsense... |
| 00:05.16 | cesarb | s/softare/software/ |
| 00:05.59 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: on the other hand, it's impossible to do in software, since the CPU does not allow using the lines as GPIOs |
| 00:06.33 | jaebird | and the PMU is dumb :) |
| 00:06.40 | SpeedEvil | It's impossible to do directly in software. |
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| 00:06.56 | jaebird | no lines at all..eh? |
| 00:07.08 | SpeedEvil | You can eliminate 'we are connected to a USB bus in suspend' and 'we are connected to a USB bus that cannot suppply 100mA' |
| 00:07.13 | SpeedEvil | in software. |
| 00:07.19 | SpeedEvil | You can eliminate 'we are connected to a USB bus in suspend' and 'we are connected to a USB bus that cannot suppply 500mA' |
| 00:07.57 | SpeedEvil | in early-uboot - and mandate that we keep 5% power - or whatever the minimal startup charge is |
| 00:08.23 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: we can detect we are connected to a suspended USB bus? cool |
| 00:08.50 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: I assume so - I haven't dug into it, I just know there is a way for a device to signal a USB bus to wake |
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| 00:09.27 | SpeedEvil | The other cases are 'we are connected to a host with a crashed USB bus' and 'We are connected to a charger' - the cases that have 5V on the USB pin that is. |
| 00:09.32 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: ok, waking up a sleeping computer is a bit of a bad behaviour, but is much better than the alternative |
| 00:09.56 | SpeedEvil | Suspended busses are not guaranteed to provide any power |
| 00:10.03 | SpeedEvil | any significant power |
| 00:10.12 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: can we detect we are connected to a windows box without the drivers for the neo installed, through a small bus-powered hub in the back of a monitor? |
| 00:10.17 | SpeedEvil | so if we want to charge, we need to wake them. |
| 00:10.38 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: (or if we are connected to the same windows box, but directly so we can draw the whole 500mA?) |
| 00:10.40 | SpeedEvil | gadget-mass-storage shoulf fix that |
| 00:10.51 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: ah, great idea! |
| 00:10.57 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: or perhaps HID |
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| 00:11.08 | SpeedEvil | From what I recall of the power managment chip, there is not a 'draw x00mA' mode. |
| 00:11.11 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: there's no way Win would ignore a poor little HID device :D |
| 00:11.11 | jaebird | does one know of a "smart" charger that isn't a pc? |
| 00:11.25 | thseiler | SpeedEvil: HID would be easier to implement in the Bootloader, me thinks... |
| 00:11.36 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: there's fast_cccv, which is 500mA, and the qualification/precharge, which is less than 100mA, right? |
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| 00:11.51 | SpeedEvil | Just 'charge, drawing up to 500mA from the USB bus', and '100mA' mode |
| 00:11.59 | thseiler | SpeedEvil: I think right now, the procharge is more like 43ma |
| 00:12.07 | SpeedEvil | it is |
| 00:12.18 | cesarb | thseiler: you are speaking to the guy who measured it ;-) |
| 00:12.26 | thseiler | oups |
| 00:12.35 | cesarb | SpeedEvil has some sort of measuring contraption (sp?) |
| 00:12.36 | SpeedEvil | '100mA' is what it was referred to |
| 00:12.46 | SpeedEvil | in some docs. |
| 00:12.53 | cesarb | some copper strip thingy |
| 00:13.04 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Avanc]] [[User_talk:Avanc]] [[Geocaching]] [[GPS]] |
| 00:13.19 | jaebird | i suppose it is still a bit to early for folks to "vote" on features besides hacking it themselves :) |
| 00:13.43 | thseiler | SpeedEvil: Yep, I was looking trough the docs of the PMU, and i think all that is needed to fix this is to programm MBCC3 . CURRAT to 10 insteat of 01. |
| 00:13.52 | thseiler | in the bootloader |
| 00:13.57 | thseiler | upon every boot. |
| 00:15.53 | thseiler | cf page 69 of the datasheet... |
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| 00:18.35 | SpeedEvil | thseiler: what does that do? |
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| 00:19.15 | thseiler | Its setting the current ration between fast charging mode and trickle charge |
| 00:19.36 | SpeedEvil | Ah - so that boosts trickle charge to 100mA? |
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| 00:19.49 | cesarb | Is that allowed by the _battery_ datasheet? |
| 00:19.58 | thseiler | Right now its set to 01 which means a factor of 0.10 * I_Fast according to the datasheet |
| 00:20.00 | SpeedEvil | Umm - what? |
| 00:20.27 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:20.39 | SpeedEvil | yes, you can safely charge the battery at 100mA |
| 00:21.25 | thseiler | SpeedEvil: a value of 10 means 0.20 * I_Fast. |
| 00:21.35 | thseiler | 0.20 * 500mA = 100 mA |
| 00:21.46 | SpeedEvil | Sounds plausible. |
| 00:21.54 | Who_ | Sorry to do what so many people must be doing at the moment - but I've popped in to find out if anyone has any more information on when gta02 will be available for people wanting to develop applications on it. I'm trying to decide whether to just cut my losses and get an a780 or a1200 instead and us OM on one of them... |
| 00:22.03 | thseiler | SpeedEvil: So I wonder if we programm that register via Bootloader upon every boot, this might fix the 43 ma tricklecharge issue... |
| 00:22.20 | SpeedEvil | Probably. |
| 00:22.37 | thseiler | Anybody here with bootloader hacking expirience ? |
| 00:23.45 | jaebird | should have gotten the dev board |
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| 00:27.40 | thseiler | Ok, I have a devboard, but I have never used it before. |
| 00:28.28 | thseiler | How do I flash or run gdb on the bootloader with a debug board ? |
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| 00:35.00 | thseiler | ok, found all the infos about the debug board in the wiki... |
| 00:35.28 | thseiler | thanks to all you folks, that keep the wiki up to date |
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| 01:38.50 | tRubl | When I get a "Working copy '.' locked" when running 'make update', where exactly is '.' so I can run 'svn cleanup'? |
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| 01:45.13 | Ghiottone | tRubl, most probably the openmoko dir. try svn cleanup openmoko |
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| 01:59.57 | tRubl | Thx Ghio, it's not complaining anymore, but apparently it's not resolving the lock issue.' |
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| 02:04.57 | Ghiottone | tRubl, |
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| 02:06.03 | Ghiottone | tRubl, try to pastebin the error lines |
| 02:11.04 | tRubl | http://www.pastebin.ca/706600 |
| 02:13.00 | Jon_yoosic | what did svn cleanup say? |
| 02:13.08 | Jon_yoosic | verbose mode if its available with that option |
| 02:13.12 | Ghiottone | the line before the error was about bitbake dir |
| 02:13.21 | Ghiottone | try svn cleanup bitbake |
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| 02:19.14 | tRubl | cleanup doesn't support verbose...I will try bitbake now |
| 02:21.08 | tRubl | yeah, that was it, thank you |
| 02:24.50 | Ghiottone | np |
| 02:24.54 | Ghiottone | nite all now |
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| 02:39.06 | cesarb | hm, from my reading of the code, it seems the evas/edje crashes are in libpng's mmx assembly code, or perhaps in gcc's interpretation of it (it seems to be ignoring a clobber of %ebp) |
| 02:39.23 | cesarb | (which means they are not raster's fault ;-) ) |
| 02:43.48 | cesarb | A simple fix seems to be to upgrade from libpng-1.2.19 to libpng-1.2.20, which utterly removed all the assembly code :D |
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| 03:11.39 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 03:12.06 | Jon_yoosic | hey |
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| 03:19.51 | bedboi | i just tried qtopia, it's not bad |
| 03:20.14 | bedboi | btw that framebuffer stuff is so bad. |
| 03:20.26 | bedboi | it makes impossible to port gtk code there |
| 03:21.36 | cesarb | bedboi: never say "impossible" |
| 03:21.43 | cesarb | bedboi: it's just "very hard" ;-) |
| 03:21.52 | Jon_yoosic | Whats the greenphone like as compared to the neo1973? |
| 03:22.11 | cesarb | Jon_yoosic: it's green instead of orange? |
| 03:22.22 | cesarb | Jon_yoosic: (dunno, ask on #qtopia ;-) ) |
| 03:22.28 | Jon_yoosic | Haha |
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| 03:23.37 | Jon_yoosic | I'm flipping through the qtopia site now. If I'm reading it right the greenphone is billed as a testbed to prove things then move it to other hardware. There are some "CYA" warnings about using it as a day to day phone. |
| 03:24.11 | Jon_yoosic | I was attracted to the Neo and Moko because that pairing is aimed at consumer quality use |
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| 03:25.25 | mjr | yeah greenphone isn't being developed to be a consumer product |
| 03:25.39 | mjr | Neo is, even if it's not yet ready for it |
| 03:25.47 | cesarb | Jon_yoosic: well, now with qtopia _and_ the neo, they have the best of both worlds |
| 03:26.34 | cesarb | Jon_yoosic: which explains quite easily why they went to the trouble to gpl a few more bits (throwing some more bones to the dogs?) and prepare a somewhat working OE recipe |
| 03:26.38 | Jon_yoosic | I won't rule it out, though. I like the greenphone because it has actual buttons. |
| 03:26.54 | cesarb | Jon_yoosic: hey, the neo has TWO buttons! |
| 03:27.02 | cesarb | Jon_yoosic: that's more than a Mac mouse! :D |
| 03:27.41 | Jon_yoosic | Yea, but I've gotten hooked on my Mpx220. I can blind dial most of the people I need to call. No need to wank around with voice commands or look down at the phone |
| 03:27.58 | mjr | Jon_yoosic, we need gesture dials :] |
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| 03:28.46 | cesarb | Jon_yoosic: a bluetooth mini-keyboard for the neo would be a insane adition |
| 03:29.53 | cesarb | Jon_yoosic: or you could have my tongue-in-cheek suggestion some weeks ago in this channel of getting a full-sized split bluetooth keyboard, flipping one half of it pi radians, and using it like one would play a guitar :D |
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| 03:30.08 | cesarb | mjr: it's the best of both worlds _for them_ |
| 03:30.19 | Jon_yoosic | I'm thinking simpler. I want a keypad on the back. I want to be able to immediately feel my phone and dial or make it quiet |
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| 03:30.23 | cesarb | mjr: I said _they_ have the best of both worlds |
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| 03:31.05 | cesarb | mjr: the neo as an actually supported hardware, and their software engine on top of it |
| 03:31.20 | mjr | well nevermind, it's half past six here, I might've missed a nuance |
| 03:31.38 | cesarb | As much as I like Qt, it's one of these all-encompassing frameworks, which can be quite annoying sometimes |
| 03:31.42 | cesarb | mjr: no prob ;-) |
| 03:31.52 | mjr | in fact I'd probably miss a marching band of nuances |
| 03:32.20 | Jon_yoosic | In all honesty, I'm going to wind up buying whichever mobile platform does what I need it to do. |
| 03:33.02 | cesarb | Qt has classes for file management, networking, SQL, and so on... Extremly great when you want to make an app working on the three currently dominating platforms, but dead weight when you are only interested on one of them (perhaps unless the one is windows and its insane win32 API; Qt's api is much saner) |
| 03:33.08 | Jon_yoosic | Right now the Neo is a bit behind on stability, a little high on cost, but it seems like it has the least amount of "gotchas" |
| 03:33.26 | cesarb | Jon_yoosic: er... a bit behind? |
| 03:33.58 | mjr | Jon_yoosic, I'm half asleep but are you sure you're talking about the Neo (as in a physical phone) |
| 03:34.36 | Jon_yoosic | No I'm wrong, I mean OpenMoko. And I have only used it in qemu, I should explore more before being too hard on it. :D |
| 03:34.44 | cesarb | Jon_yoosic: as for the gotchas, other than GTA01's GPS chip and its closed GSM chipset, there very few caveats indeed |
| 03:35.11 | cesarb | Jon_yoosic: (oh, there is the bluetooth wakeup issue too... until someone manages to make one of the proposed hacks work to fix it) |
| 03:35.17 | mjr | AFAIK greenphone, aside from not being intended as a consumer phone at all, also costs more and needs at least some closed kernel module stuff |
| 03:35.48 | mjr | anyway, more power to the trolls for porting and freeing qtopia, but I hope it doesn't splinter the community too much |
| 03:35.59 | mjr | and with that cheery comment, I'll crash |
| 03:36.06 | Jon_yoosic | See I'm coming at it as an application developer. I could care less about the hardware as long as it has the features I need,decent performance, and good drivers. |
| 03:36.48 | Jon_yoosic | I want to be able to write my own GPS based apps (rally navigation), use WiFi, and have a proper unlocked carrier neutral phone. |
| 03:36.51 | cesarb | I personally think the effect of drawing more people to the community will be greater than any splitting effect it has. And they also use OE and parts of the OM base non-GUI framework... |
| 03:37.22 | cesarb | Jon_yoosic: my perspective is closer to a kernel developer... closed hardware tends to annoy me |
| 03:37.57 | doc|home | will the GTA02 get any advantage from faster sd cards? |
| 03:38.06 | Jon_yoosic | I know that open hardware usually leads to better drivers so I support it when I can. |
| 03:38.12 | doc|home | e.g. a sandisk ultra vs standard sandisk |
| 03:38.57 | Jon_yoosic | Does moko mimic the windows mobile contact lookup? |
| 03:39.51 | Jon_yoosic | Where you just start typing and it does the partial matching? |
| 03:40.29 | bedboi | i got to many devices, i have to hire someone to actually use 'em |
| 03:40.42 | doc|home | what's the pay like? |
| 03:41.28 | bedboi | ehehe |
| 03:41.45 | bedboi | it depends, i'll pay a lot for the h5455 user |
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| 03:42.05 | bedboi | the voodoo to make it start when the battery drains completely it's so difficult to perform |
| 03:42.14 | bedboi | s/it's/is |
| 03:42.59 | HistoryOnTheRoad | bedboi: You just need better voodoo dolls. |
| 03:43.14 | bedboi | yep, actually i'm not so good with voodoo. |
| 03:43.22 | Jon_yoosic | have you tried drinking more? |
| 03:43.25 | bedboi | i should take some course |
| 03:43.45 | HistoryOnTheRoad | bedboi: More of the little pins. Just try more of those. |
| 03:43.55 | Jon_yoosic | Its not as effective as voodoo but the hardware problems don't seem so bad after a few pints. :D |
| 03:43.57 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Anyone actually working on the damned power crap? |
| 03:44.24 | bedboi | HistoryOnTheRoad: i would try to. |
| 03:44.25 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Jon_yoosic: I think that is true of any problem, not just openmoko type ones. :P |
| 03:44.29 | bedboi | btw i just got the phone |
| 03:45.10 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I've had the phone for a bit. I was lazy, and used the Mac flasher, but I can't figure out how to flash the 2007.2 image on to it. |
| 03:45.31 | HistoryOnTheRoad | So, I've built a shiny new Debian box which will hopefully help :P |
| 03:45.38 | HistoryOnTheRoad | bedboi: Congrats, btw. |
| 03:45.40 | HistoryOnTheRoad | :) |
| 03:45.44 | bedboi | thanks man |
| 03:46.41 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Does anyone know what the core team is working on now? |
| 03:47.03 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Testing the 02 stuff, shipping, fixing the mailing list? :P |
| 03:47.15 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I'm just kidding, really. |
| 03:49.41 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Sys is just extra stuff. I deleted most of that. |
| 03:50.04 | HistoryOnTheRoad | (Ok, I'm either overtired or really sarcastic now. Probably the former) |
| 03:50.56 | bedboi | anyone knows how to know what is the current draining/charing rate? |
| 03:51.42 | HistoryOnTheRoad | bedboi: I don't, but you could map it by getting the current charge level. |
| 03:54.04 | Jon_yoosic | is there some way to mount the jffs image in my host OS? |
| 03:55.25 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Jon_yoosic: Possible, if your host OS supports jffs file system. |
| 03:56.14 | HistoryOnTheRoad | usually it's of the form ... "mount -t jffs /path/to/jffs /mount/point" ... but might vary from distro to distro |
| 03:57.03 | Jon_yoosic | ok so I just need to man and info my way through mount options. Thanks for getting me started |
| 03:59.58 | HistoryOnTheRoad | No probs |
| 04:01.28 | cesarb | Didn't you need some special mtd thingy to mount jffs2 images? |
| 04:01.43 | cesarb | (since they cannot be used as normal block devices due to the OOB data) |
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| 04:07.58 | Jon_yoosic | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Alessandro#IRC - this looks like how to mount it |
| 04:08.09 | Jon_yoosic | Edgy is having issues with the insmod blkmtd command tho |
| 04:13.34 | Jon_yoosic | ah well its late. thanks for the help. good talking to everyone. |
| 04:14.03 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[GPS_Navigation]] |
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| 04:56.14 | Sup3rkiddo | morning all |
| 04:56.33 | guaqua | morn |
| 04:57.27 | Sup3rkiddo | so...followed this article at the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course#Setting_Up_a_Local_Overlay |
| 04:57.55 | Sup3rkiddo | getting an error that BBFILE_PATTERN_(local/upstream) not defined...any ideas? |
| 04:59.54 | cesarb | Sup3rkiddo: these are old |
| 05:00.00 | cesarb | Sup3rkiddo: they are for 2007.1 |
| 05:00.26 | cesarb | Sup3rkiddo: looks like they didn't copy the changes I made to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/Using_a_local_overlay for 2007.2 |
| 05:00.40 | Sup3rkiddo | cesarb, oh...dang...i did remove the oe/packages in site.conf since thats not applicable anymore |
| 05:00.49 | Sup3rkiddo | cesarb, thanks |
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| 05:01.33 | cesarb | Sup3rkiddo: not only you had to remove that, you also had to add the parts 2007.2 doesn't add anymore (since they are not applicable since it doesn't use an overlay anymore...) |
| 05:02.08 | Sup3rkiddo | cesarb, okie dokie..well the link you just gave works, right? |
| 05:02.31 | cesarb | Sup3rkiddo: it's what I'm using, actually |
| 05:02.51 | cesarb | Sup3rkiddo: the one in the crash course page was copied from mine, back when it was for 2007.1 |
| 05:03.06 | Sup3rkiddo | cesarb, hehe ok..then it should work..if it doesnt i know who to catch..=) |
| 05:03.30 | cesarb | Sup3rkiddo: when 2007.2 became official in mokomakefile, I redid my work and added it to my page... but didn't change the crash course page, since it was to be rewritten soon (back then) |
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| 05:03.52 | Sup3rkiddo | cesarb, oh, someone should change that.. |
| 05:11.59 | abraxa_ | mickey|bbiab: I tried committing the renamed icons but got a permission error - how should I proceed? |
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| 06:13.23 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[GPS_Navigation]] |
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| 06:43.37 | Sup3rkiddo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.39 | Sup3rkiddo | http://rafb.net/p/BYWI4669.html |
| 06:44.00 | Sup3rkiddo | | /home/sudharsh/Projects/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/python: can't open file 'setup.py': [Errno 2] No such file or directory |
| 06:44.00 | Sup3rkiddo | | FATAL: python setup.py build_ext execution failed. |
| 06:44.11 | Sup3rkiddo | setup.py is present btw |
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| 06:54.03 | khaije1 | hi all, hows the project going? |
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| 07:29.56 | bedboi | how can i check the battery level? i mean in some /proc or /sys file |
| 07:31.48 | rwhitby | morning |
| 07:34.27 | CM | morning :) |
| 07:34.49 | abraxa_ | bedboi: Is "cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt" good enough? |
| 07:35.24 | bedboi | thanks |
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| 07:52.50 | bedboi | is the only way to xcompile an application to have oe? |
| 07:52.54 | bedboi | damn that stuff is so huge |
| 07:53.06 | bedboi | and it takes a lot of time |
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| 07:55.27 | CM | bedboi: Maybe try the debian toolchain or scratchbox? |
| 07:55.59 | abraxa_ | bedboi: You could try letting OE build the toolchain only and use it from then on |
| 07:56.25 | CM | Just bitbaking one app is pretty quick |
| 07:56.45 | ljp | if you dont need to link to X there is a toolchain on qtopia.net that will work |
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| 07:59.42 | bedboi | CM: yep i just would need to bitbake an application i'm writing |
| 07:59.56 | bedboi | well, quick is relative |
| 08:00.05 | bedboi | :) |
| 08:00.16 | bedboi | compiling the xcompiler is slow :) |
| 08:00.36 | bedboi | damn finite size devices |
| 08:01.42 | bedboi | i guess i'll need some 3 or 4 gigs for that |
| 08:02.02 | bedboi | CM: btw i have scratchbox installed |
| 08:02.28 | CM | I've never tried scratchbox |
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| 08:06.22 | bedboi | CM: is it http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile good for starting? |
| 08:06.48 | rwhitby | in my opinion, it's the best. |
| 08:06.51 | CM | bedboi: Yes, by far the easiest way |
| 08:06.54 | CM | rwhitby: :P |
| 08:07.03 | CM | bedboi: rwhitby wrote it :D |
| 08:07.57 | CM | rwhitby: Talking about the makefile, how do I force monotone to overwrite all the changes I've done and just use the latest oe stuff? |
| 08:08.13 | CM | I've been playing around a bit too much with some recipies.. ;) |
| 08:08.25 | rwhitby | mtn revert |
| 08:08.38 | rwhitby | there's probably a recursive switch |
| 08:09.07 | CM | Ok, I'll look around |
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| 08:20.21 | bedboi | rwhitby: i'm doing it on an unstable one |
| 08:21.02 | CM | ScaredyCat: Ohh.. More! :-P |
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| 08:21.45 | ScaredyCat | meh! |
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| 08:25.38 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: "meh" is exactly what I'm thinking, too. :) |
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| 08:26.01 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 08:26.39 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: btw, the version of ScummVM in your ipkg repo... is it modified in any way or is it just cross-compiled for the Neo? |
| 08:27.06 | ScaredyCat | not modified iirc... |
| 08:27.17 | ScaredyCat | but it should be in oe too... |
| 08:27.22 | abraxa_ | Ah |
| 08:27.28 | ScaredyCat | ie anyone can build it |
| 08:27.40 | ScaredyCat | you should get version... |
| 08:28.03 | ScaredyCat | scummvm_0.9.1.bb |
| 08:28.14 | abraxa_ | It would be tons more usable if it would be altered a bit in regards to mouse usage - I suppose no one is working on that? |
| 08:28.40 | ScaredyCat | mouse usage? |
| 08:29.10 | ScaredyCat | what's wrong with it atm ? |
| 08:29.36 | abraxa_ | Yeah. What I mean is that you can only move the mouse cursor by clicking at the same time - which is not always what you want in this kind of RPG |
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| 08:30.38 | ScaredyCat | oh... ok, I've only ever played monkey island, indiana jones, zak... |
| 08:30.58 | ScaredyCat | you must be playing more complex games ;) |
| 08:31.00 | rwhitby | has the libsdl-net problem been fixed yet? |
| 08:32.48 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: On the Neo? I wonder how you managed to do that. Imagine there's an item on screen that you want to inspect by hovering over it - you'd have to click-and-drag. If you were to just hit the touchscreen you would move the cursor *and* click on the item, even if you didn't want to |
| 08:33.00 | abraxa_ | rwhitby: What libsdl-net problem? |
| 08:33.18 | rwhitby | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2923 |
| 08:33.37 | abraxa_ | rwhitby: Sorry, no clue :) |
| 08:33.43 | ScaredyCat | with monkey islany you just click 'use' click on the object then click on the target |
| 08:33.47 | ScaredyCat | island |
| 08:34.11 | ScaredyCat | ie use x with y |
| 08:34.21 | abraxa_ | Hmm, I see |
| 08:34.28 | abraxa_ | Okay, these would be usable indeed |
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| 08:41.55 | rwhitby | http://www.ploetzli.ch/forumtst/fix-libsdl-net.patch is going to be applied by koen to fix the libsdl-net problem |
| 08:46.27 | Psi | ScaredyCat, is your sep21 build any good? |
| 08:46.51 | ScaredyCat | still has gsmd issues for openmoko build |
| 08:46.54 | ScaredyCat | qtopia works |
| 08:49.23 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: what's stopping openmoko to place calls? |
| 08:49.27 | bedboi | is it gsmd? |
| 08:49.39 | bedboi | i don't have any idea about the status of the project |
| 08:49.54 | ScaredyCat | gsmd seems unstable, it takes down the top panel etc.. |
| 08:50.20 | ScaredyCat | there are some fixes that are supposed to make it wokr a bit better but I've had no real luck wiht it |
| 08:50.25 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: why not using the qtopia stuff |
| 08:50.31 | bedboi | does it rely on that? |
| 08:50.35 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 08:50.41 | bedboi | ah damn |
| 08:50.51 | bedboi | they use some code they have written |
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| 08:51.17 | ScaredyCat | yes, they have their own gsm interfacing... |
| 08:51.23 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: but, is gsmd worth? |
| 08:51.27 | ScaredyCat | alsthough... now that it's gpl :) |
| 08:51.34 | bedboi | i mean, wrt to the implementation they have |
| 08:51.56 | ScaredyCat | it works in a different way... |
| 08:52.09 | bedboi | different, what you mean? |
| 08:52.18 | ScaredyCat | the qtopia stuff is fairly integrated when running... |
| 08:52.22 | gcb77 | Does removing the console option in the uboot mean you can't connect to uboot over USB any more? |
| 08:52.30 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: it's damn fast |
| 08:52.37 | ScaredyCat | you could probably lift out some of hte gsm side code |
| 08:52.42 | ScaredyCat | fast? |
| 08:52.54 | bedboi | yes it is |
| 08:52.58 | bedboi | at least on my neo |
| 08:53.02 | ScaredyCat | qtopia? |
| 08:53.04 | bedboi | it seems very responsive |
| 08:53.06 | bedboi | yep |
| 08:53.19 | bedboi | i tried the latest openmoko release |
| 08:53.22 | ScaredyCat | yes, it's useing framebuffer.... |
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| 08:55.35 | bedboi | there's some mystery about Gtk+ |
| 08:56.28 | bedboi | one major mystery is: Why don't they spawn a thread when a GtkFileChooser widget is shown? |
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| 08:56.33 | bedboi | it is so stupid |
| 08:56.43 | bedboi | something that i really can't understand |
| 08:56.45 | abraxa_ | gcb77: From what I understand, removing that option prevents you from using the serial console of the debug board |
| 08:57.44 | abraxa_ | ~lart PulseAudio |
| 08:57.44 | apt | frags PulseAudio with his BFG9000 |
| 08:57.51 | abraxa_ | Good bot. |
| 08:59.19 | gcb77 | I'm trying to set up the dual env, with qtopia and OpenMoko |
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| 09:22.30 | abraxa_ | Good night, bedboi |
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| 09:26.16 | gcb77 | anyone here that can give me any pointers on booting from the SD card? |
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| 09:29.18 | abraxa_ | gcb77: Did you check the wiki article already? |
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| 09:43.42 | gcb77 | abraxa_: yes, I followed the steps. It seems like an error flashes by and then it starts up booting from the flash |
| 09:45.12 | gcb77 | The only thing I wasn't clear on is if I needed to copy the img file to a folder called /mnt/moko/boot/uImage/, or if /mnt/moko/boot/uImage should be the file |
| 09:45.44 | gcb77 | and /dev/ttyACM0 does not show up any more when I start in uboot |
| 09:47.32 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 09:47.52 | abraxa_ | gcb77: Judging from "GTA01Bv4 # setenv sd_image_name uImage" I would assume that uImage is a file |
| 09:48.12 | abraxa_ | So it'll load uImage located in /boot/ |
| 09:48.50 | gcb77 | doh! that's it... I mounted it under /mnt not /mnt/moko... |
| 09:48.56 | gcb77 | thank you |
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| 09:52.24 | abraxa_ | Awesome :) |
| 09:55.11 | jpcass | anyone seen *CROSS COMPILE Badness: /usr/include in INCLUDEPATH: /usr/include* when building a package with bitbake? |
| 09:55.19 | jpcass | (using autotools) |
| 10:11.12 | XorA|gone | jpcass: means a problem in configure.in caused cross compiler to look in /usr/include which is BAD (tm) |
| 10:11.12 | XorA|gone | jpcass: whatever package generated that needs investigated and have its EXTRA_OECONF improved or its configure.in fixed |
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| 10:11.12 | PBeck | hallo |
| 10:11.12 | jpcass | XorA|gone: ok, I'll look into it, can you point me to a package that had this and was fixed??? |
| 10:11.12 | ScaredyCat | xchat does that |
| 10:11.12 | XorA|gone | jpcass: libsdl-net recently :-) |
| 10:11.12 | XorA|gone | jpcass: its often a needed --with-blah=${STAGING_INCDIR} or shut argument that is needed |
| 10:11.14 | jpcass | XorA|gone: I dont see a solution in libsdl-net; nothing there affects the configure stage or EXTRA_OECONF ? |
| 10:11.14 | XorA|gone | jpcass: if you are not familiar with autotools debugging I suggest you file a bug with the log |
| 10:11.16 | XorA|gone | jpcass: autotools is a bitch, but gets predictable when youve done it a lot |
| 10:11.16 | jpcass | autotools.bbclass sets --includedir=${includedir} |
| 10:11.16 | jpcass | i coudl use EXTRA_OECONF to override that with --includedir=${STAGING_INCDIR} ? |
| 10:11.16 | jpcass | I'm makeing a new recipe, its not an error in an existing package |
| 10:11.16 | XorA|gone | jpcass: no, dont undo anything autotools.bbclass does |
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| 10:11.16 | XorA|gone | jpcass: you need to go through configure script and find out why /usr/include was referenced, then fix that in configure.in |
| 10:11.16 | jpcass | in temp/run.do_configure.25655 i see *export includedir="/usr/include"* ... |
| 10:11.17 | XorA|gone | jpcass: but sometimes its as simple as using a --with-blah argument to just point the test at the right directory |
| 10:11.18 | jpcass | XorA|gone: ok, maybe this export includedir is explicit in configure.in ... |
| 10:11.18 | XorA|gone | jpcass: your on the wrong path |
| 10:11.18 | jpcass | but its paved with yellow bricks... |
| 10:11.18 | XorA|gone | jpcass: configure is a load of tests, badly written configure.in files tend to just hardcode finding /usr/include/blah.h in them, look for tests that do this, then examine which configure argument affect that test |
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| 10:11.20 | XorA|gone | but now Im starving and need food urgent :-D |
| 10:11.20 | jpcass | ugh: configure.in syntax confusing.... jpcass please return to square one. |
| 10:11.20 | jpcass | get food ! |
| 10:11.21 | abraxa_ | jpcass: Mind pastebin-ing your configure.in/.ac and src/Makefile.am? |
| 10:12.18 | jpcass | i think this is the offending part of configure.in: http://pastebin.ca/706862 |
| 10:12.50 | jpcass | zx spectrum emulator is searching for its libspectrum library...they are two seperate packages... |
| 10:13.35 | jpcass | so I need -with-libspectrum-prefix=${STAGING_INCDIR} ? |
| 10:14.04 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[DECT]] [[DECT/de]] [[GAP]] [[CAT-iq]] |
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| 10:14.43 | jpcass | or maybe just STAGING_DIR, it looks like it might want to find .h and library ... |
| 10:16.03 | abraxa_ | jpcass: I'm not so sure. If --with-libspectrum-prefix isn't given then it won't look in /usr/include either |
| 10:18.14 | jpcass | yes... here is some relevant output from config.log : http://pastebin.ca/706867 |
| 10:18.56 | jpcass | the libspectrum.h file is actually in -I/home/john/projects/om/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include |
| 10:19.08 | abraxa_ | Mind sharing the configure.in file in its entirety? |
| 10:19.44 | jpcass | http://pastebin.ca/706869 |
| 10:19.49 | abraxa_ | Thanks :) |
| 10:20.48 | abraxa_ | Have a look at lines 69~71 |
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| 10:21.09 | abraxa_ | $prefix is usually /usr if not supplied otherwise |
| 10:21.20 | abraxa_ | So these lines set CPPFLAGS="/usr/include" |
| 10:21.30 | abraxa_ | ...-I/usr/include, I mean |
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| 10:22.33 | jpcass | so I should have --with-local-prefix=${STAGING_DIR} ... |
| 10:22.44 | jpcass | in EXTRA_OECONFS |
| 10:23.00 | abraxa_ | Yep :) |
| 10:24.00 | jpcass | i'll try it.... |
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| 10:29.34 | jpcass | well, it got past configure ... do_compile... ;-) thanks guys! |
| 10:29.47 | abraxa_ | Great :) |
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| 10:32.16 | mmp | I don't want to sound very anxiously, but... any news about GTA02? :) |
| 10:33.37 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 10:33.45 | SpeedEvil | December is the latest official word |
| 10:34.42 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: do you remember when Oct was announced as the official word? it'd be interesting to do a slip rate analysis (i.e. is it 2 months slip in 2 months?) |
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| 10:35.27 | rwhitby | at work, when we have a month per month slip rate, we start to stop believing anything the original estimator says :-) |
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| 10:38.20 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: history on [[Neo1973]] |
| 10:39.51 | rwhitby | of course, we have no idea whether the october date was an engineering estimate, or just a marketing date ;-) |
| 10:40.15 | PBeck | rwhitby: mickey|bbiab says marketing :> |
| 10:40.46 | rwhitby | PBeck: and is Dec another marketing date? |
| 10:41.29 | PBeck | rwhitby: mickey|bbiab says that is realistic ... i hope :( |
| 10:42.02 | PBeck | rwhitby: i think thats a negativ press for the openmoko project ... |
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| 10:42.26 | rwhitby | slips are never bad press, compared to releases that don't work. |
| 10:42.54 | xcasex | say. htc devices, does OM run on them at all or is that just a silly hack that someone needs to do? |
| 10:42.54 | aloril | xcasex: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 10:43.09 | PBeck | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:43.31 | PBeck | xcasex: hack ;) |
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| 10:43.42 | xcasex | PBeck: lucky me.. i guess ;_; |
| 10:44.06 | PBeck | xcasex: ;) |
| 10:45.05 | PBeck | rwhitby: why are the release dates so short term? |
| 10:45.40 | PBeck | why we not add a few monthes? |
| 10:46.12 | jpcass | has anyone tried putting openmoko and qtopia both on their neo? is it just ipkg install lots of stuff from the moko build over the qtopia rootfs? |
| 10:48.13 | edistar_ | what does the inherit line in the local.conf do? |
| 10:48.32 | jpcass | it adds classes to be inherited for all targets |
| 10:49.30 | edistar_ | jpcass: okey, so why is it devshell for x86 and rm_work for gta01? |
| 10:49.49 | rwhitby | who said it's devshell for x86? |
| 10:50.08 | rwhitby | both of those are optional and can be used for either |
| 10:50.21 | edistar_ | rwhitby: what is better? the wiki told me |
| 10:50.24 | jpcass | dont know why, but devshell is a class that allows you to get interactive with the build, and rm_work removes the build/tmp/work directory contents once the ipkg is made to save space |
| 10:51.34 | edistar_ | thx |
| 10:52.06 | jpcass | if you want to keep the sources and object files etc in build/tmp/work, comment out that inherit rm_work (I do) |
| 10:53.21 | sudharsh | alright to get the neo access the net, what do i have to put in /etc/resolv.conf, nameserver 4.2.2.1 will do? |
| 10:56.50 | jpcass | point it to a valid nameserver, your broadband provider will have given you two (usually) |
| 10:58.01 | sudharsh | jpcass, i forgot them, so my home box has 4.2.2.1 |
| 10:58.24 | sudharsh | and i presume 192.168.0.200 should be made the gateway? |
| 10:58.48 | jpcass | if it works for the machine neo is plugged into it should work for nei |
| 10:58.52 | jpcass | s/nei/neo/ |
| 10:59.15 | rwhitby | (as long as that machine is routing for the neo, or natting) |
| 11:00.05 | sudharsh | hmm...isnt working,,, |
| 11:00.24 | sudharsh | how do i get machine nat to the neo then? |
| 11:00.27 | SpeedEvil | you need to tell your main box to forward the packets |
| 11:00.42 | jpcass | like this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 11:01.49 | sudharsh | this should help i guess http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Mobile_development ? |
| 11:01.51 | sudharsh | brb then |
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| 11:03.30 | edistar | when I try to compile the devel-image it breaks of and tells me it couldn't connect to znet.org |
| 11:03.54 | edistar | sry, I mean zlib.net of course |
| 11:04.50 | edistar | can anyone help me? |
| 11:05.42 | edistar | I can download the file manually, no problem.. |
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| 11:18.16 | jpcass | edistar what is do_fetch saying about it? |
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| 11:21.57 | jpcass | woah zx spectrum running on my neo ! |
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| 11:22.27 | mickeyl | jpcass: congrats! screenshot? |
| 11:24.28 | jpcass | mickeyl: how can i get a screenshot (just running X) from console? |
| 11:24.44 | jpcass | not running whole openmoko stack, just Xfbdev |
| 11:24.53 | mickeyl | oh |
| 11:24.56 | mickeyl | let me dig out the wiki page |
| 11:25.12 | jpcass | cool, sound is perfect ;-) |
| 11:25.22 | jpcass | need keyboard.... |
| 11:25.22 | mickeyl | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Screen_Shots |
| 11:25.41 | mickeyl | or gpe-scap, if you have it installed |
| 11:30.20 | Maledictus | anyone knows a good introductory book about programming the arm920t? |
| 11:31.10 | jpcass | http://www.johnkerry.plus.com/neo/neo-zxspectrum.png |
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| 11:32.36 | jpcass | http://www.johnkerry.plus.com/neo/manic.png |
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| 11:40.15 | robtaylor | mickeyl: hey, I'm some approximation of alive now :) Would you like to chat about things you need in OHM? |
| 11:40.43 | mickeyl | hi robtaylor. unfortunately i'm in a hurry since I'm leaving to Portugal for two weeks tomorrow |
| 11:40.51 | mickeyl | robtaylor: lets talk when i'm back |
| 11:40.57 | mickeyl | (it's a real vacation! :) |
| 11:41.03 | robtaylor | mickeyl: sure, whenever's good for you |
| 11:41.07 | mickeyl | cool, thanks |
| 11:41.08 | robtaylor | mickeyl: you lucky lucky man |
| 11:41.10 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 11:42.26 | robtaylor | I seem to have forgotton what it means... ;) |
| 11:43.25 | IfChinsCouldKill | Manic Miner? haha good times |
| 11:44.16 | robtaylor | jpcass: that's really cool :) |
| 11:44.23 | jpcass | got a keyboard up and running : http://www.johnkerry.plus.com/neo/manic-running.png |
| 11:44.35 | jpcass | we need some customised input method |
| 11:44.41 | jpcass | and a 320x240 screen mode |
| 11:44.46 | jpcass | and it will be excellent |
| 11:44.50 | CM | jpcass: Hehe.. Nice |
| 11:44.57 | jpcass | sound and performance are great |
| 11:45.40 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 11:45.42 | mjr | well, qvga is achievable, but no room for on-screen keyboard if you need it then |
| 11:45.42 | mickeyl | pretty cool! |
| 11:45.53 | mickeyl | qvga + bluetooth gamepad |
| 11:46.14 | mjr | yeppers |
| 11:46.24 | jpcass | can anyone point me to how to get qvga? needs some kernel tweaking? |
| 11:46.43 | mjr | mickeyl, yeah, is qvga in moko kernels yet? |
| 11:46.50 | CM | Are any of the xbox360 or ps3 wireless gamepads bluetooth? |
| 11:46.54 | mickeyl | i think most of it is finished |
| 11:46.56 | mickeyl | iirc |
| 11:46.56 | mjr | there have been some raw patches around at some point |
| 11:47.01 | mjr | at least |
| 11:47.02 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt would know for sure |
| 11:47.10 | mjr | righto |
| 11:47.33 | jpcass | does stefan sometimes visit irc? |
| 11:47.43 | Elrond | mickeyl - Hi! :-) |
| 11:47.49 | mickeyl | morning Elrond |
| 11:47.54 | Elrond | jpcass - Stefan is often around. :) |
| 11:47.54 | mickeyl | stefan has a broken arm right now |
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| 11:48.03 | mickeyl | which is why he probably isn't there that often |
| 11:48.30 | SpeedEvil | Oh no! Apple is playing hardball. |
| 11:48.36 | mjr | I'm sorry to find it initially a bit funny, but "broken arm" doesn't ring the right bell for me here at first |
| 11:48.48 | jpcass | is there any way of piping keyboard event on an ssh console session into a window in X ? |
| 11:48.56 | Elrond | mickeyl - Huh. Wish "Gute Besserung", if you talk to him. :-) |
| 11:48.59 | jpcass | (ie: can i use my pc keyboard to control the miner?) |
| 11:49.11 | mjr | jpcass, you can use things like x2x for remote control |
| 11:49.19 | mjr | or synergy |
| 11:49.39 | mjr | anyway, yeah, pikaista paranemista to stefan |
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| 11:51.49 | stefan_schmidt | thanks guys |
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| 11:52.05 | stefan_schmidt | typing is slow with my left hand... |
| 11:52.49 | CM | stefan_schmidt: What happened? |
| 11:53.13 | stefan_schmidt | CM: Snowboarding in a funpark |
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| 11:53.43 | CM | Heh, should have guessed. Must be one of the most common reasons, at least here in Sweden. ;) |
| 11:54.03 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: For the qvga patches: http://people.openmoko.org/stefan/patches/LCM-QVGA/ |
| 11:54.42 | jpcass | thanks stefan! hope the arm is not too painful |
| 11:54.43 | sudharsh | so gsmd is broken?...me needs to test an outgoing call |
| 11:54.50 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: That's how the datasheet described it. But it never really worked for me |
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| 11:55.37 | stefan_schmidt | CM: I broke mine in .de :) Needed a ski hall for it. |
| 11:56.23 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: One test would be to use the real fbset instead of the busybox fbset for some testing |
| 11:56.59 | jpcass | stefan_schmidt: ok, will do - what kind of not really working are we talking about? |
| 11:57.51 | XorA|gone | hmm, QVGA means usable video playback :-) |
| 11:58.00 | Elrond | mickeyl - BTW: Can I ask you a few questions about OE? |
| 11:58.03 | aloril | (script) planet: Michael "mickeyl" Lauer: OpenExpo 2007 http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/09/22/openexpo-2007/ |
| 11:58.05 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: Strange colors or effects when playing with it. Looked a lot like wrong syncs for me |
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| 11:59.28 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: If you have the debug board you can also play with the regs directly using jtag |
| 11:59.45 | jpcass | no debug board ;-( |
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| 12:01.52 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: Then you can use memedit or devmem2 to change the mapped regs in runtime |
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| 12:05.58 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: In the end we also need a hook to change the resolution and let LCM and fb know |
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| 12:08.04 | jpcass | thanks stefan - its going to take me a while to understand this, I'll get back to you with questions! |
| 12:09.08 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: ok, but be aware of long response times. I'm not that much at my pc these days with abroken arm. |
| 12:09.27 | XorA|gone | time for the Neo brain adapter |
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| 12:09.39 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: :) |
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| 12:11.52 | mickeyl | Elrond: of course. go ahead |
| 12:11.58 | mickeyl | cu stefan |
| 12:12.29 | SpeedEvil | cu -l |
| 12:12.49 | Elrond | mickeyl - If a package B is only recommended by package A, will it still be put in the built images? |
| 12:13.18 | mickeyl | yes. by default ipkg install RRECOMMENDS when they are available |
| 12:13.49 | Ghiottone | hello all |
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| 12:14.22 | Elrond | mickeyl - Ahh. Would it be reasonable to ask for some packages to be changed from being-depended-on to being-recommended? |
| 12:14.23 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[UMTS]] |
| 12:14.44 | Elrond | mickeyl - Like bridge-utils |
| 12:15.16 | rwhitby | Elrond: if it's not an absolute dependency, then it should be an rrecommends, so you can ipkg remove it easily |
| 12:15.29 | mickeyl | i don't know whether bitbake attempts to build RRECOMMENDS though |
| 12:15.32 | mickeyl | that should be checked |
| 12:15.38 | rwhitby | or replace it with an alternative. e.g. replacing dropbear with openssh |
| 12:16.27 | Elrond | mickeyl - Ahh. IMHO it should. ;o) (that doesn't say, it does, of course.) |
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| 12:26.35 | sudharsh | what does Full PM, DIM only and No PM mean in the context of profile selection? |
| 12:27.02 | buz | i would guess first goes into supspend, second only deals with lcd brightnmess and third means no powermanagement |
| 12:27.37 | sudharsh | alright, i thought so when my phone got kaput when it had suspend enabled |
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| 12:48.48 | mickeyl | it should come out of suspend ok 90% of the time |
| 12:49.02 | mickeyl | the 10% are some remaining kernel/bootloader race conditions we need to figure out |
| 12:51.34 | SpeedEvil | wht's power use in suspend? |
| 12:51.42 | SpeedEvil | or is that the same as it has been? |
| 12:52.47 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. I need to update my image. |
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| 12:53.24 | Fradeve | stupid questions: there are in commerce any bluetooth keyboard to use with Neo? |
| 12:53.41 | SpeedEvil | You can connect a bluetooth keyboard, yes. |
| 12:53.45 | Fradeve | or, better: bluetooth keyborad will run with neo? |
| 12:53.59 | SpeedEvil | It is not integrated into the software. |
| 12:54.03 | SpeedEvil | (yet) |
| 12:54.09 | Fradeve | oook well ;) |
| 12:54.29 | SpeedEvil | I suspect the page [[Manually using Bluetooth]] on the wiki may tell you how |
| 12:55.47 | Fradeve | another question: anyone knows how much is tedious configure a bluetooth internet sharing from pc to Neo on Debian? I've never tried it :( |
| 12:56.08 | jpcass | mickeyl: is it bitbake virtual/kernel to build the kernel (trying to compile with stefan's qvga patch) |
| 12:56.25 | mickeyl | yes. bitbake virtual/kernel, or more directly bitbake linux-openmoko |
| 12:56.42 | mickeyl | and when you added the patch to SRC_URI you might want to give -c rebuild |
| 12:56.52 | mickeyl | [if you didn't increase PR] |
| 12:57.24 | jpcass | yes, using -c rebuild ... |
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| 12:58.24 | ScaredyCat | "To silence all the “it’s cool, but doesn’t work as a phone” nay-sayers, I demonstrated a phone call during the talk" |
| 12:58.29 | jpcass | actually the patch was well out of dat (23 march) so I've just manually edited the jbt6k74.c file in the meantime... |
| 13:03.28 | SpeedEvil | Fradeve http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth |
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| 13:03.41 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.22 | Fradeve | SpeedEvil: yeah I'm reading ;) thanks |
| 13:09.04 | buz | ScaredyCat: i would have been one of those ;) |
| 13:09.34 | buz | to be fair, though, one of the other neos at the booth reportedly did not receive calls very reliably |
| 13:11.18 | mjr | last time I tried to set up semi-automatic bluetooth networking, I had some weird problem... no trouble configuring the hookup manually, so probably just some shoddy scripting on my part |
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| 13:12.51 | hhf423 | moin |
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| 13:13.55 | Ghiottone | hola hhf423 :) |
| 13:14.44 | hhf423 | Hi Ghiottone |
| 13:14.51 | hhf423 | so, any news? |
| 13:15.00 | hhf423 | did you get dual boot to run? |
| 13:15.29 | Ghiottone | unfortunately not. that problem is a blocker one |
| 13:15.38 | Ghiottone | I had not yet the time to do a bug report |
| 13:16.18 | Ghiottone | I think that dual boot could work if only that problem could be solved |
| 13:16.35 | jpcass | what diff options should I use to create a patch for openembedded? |
| 13:17.05 | Ghiottone | hhf423, a good news is that I have made the package for SettingsGUI 0.7 |
| 13:18.01 | Ghiottone | mmm mickeyl ? |
| 13:18.38 | hhf423 | I see |
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| 13:21.41 | Ghiottone | hhf423, I also am working on a bootchart optimization |
| 13:22.35 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: you're working on optimizing bootchart or the boot process? |
| 13:23.12 | Ghiottone | bootchart |
| 13:23.31 | Ghiottone | it seems that it is using too much processor time |
| 13:23.42 | mickeyl | Ghiottone: what's up?` |
| 13:23.49 | Ghiottone | and thus I think that result are not that accurate |
| 13:24.15 | Ghiottone | so I'm trying to rewrite a part of it in C so that it will be much lighter |
| 13:24.42 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, I tried a few days ago to set up a dual boot configuration for qtopia and openmoko |
| 13:24.57 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, but I got some strange problems with uboot and sd card |
| 13:25.04 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, I'm using the 19 august build |
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| 13:25.22 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, do you know of any existing problems with that version? |
| 13:25.24 | mentax | hi all |
| 13:25.58 | hhf423 | hi mentax |
| 13:26.05 | mentax | please tell me how I may mount flash card mmc? |
| 13:26.11 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, if I try to do mmcinit from uboot, I got errors and can't read its contents. if then I boot to linux, the card is not seen at all |
| 13:26.32 | mickeyl | sorry, can't help there. i have not used my SD since a while |
| 13:26.41 | mickeyl | and I'm in a hurry now. |
| 13:26.48 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, oh pity. |
| 13:27.06 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, well thanks anyway. who could I ask this questions to? |
| 13:27.25 | mickeyl | i'd recommend the device-owners or the devel mailing list |
| 13:27.33 | jpcass | mickeyl: before you go, what options do you use with diff to make a patch openembedded will like? |
| 13:27.49 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, ok thank you. |
| 13:28.17 | mickeyl | alias diff='diff -udbBPr' |
| 13:28.35 | mickeyl | and make sure it applies w/ -p1 |
| 13:28.40 | mickeyl | [which is the OE default] |
| 13:28.58 | jpcass | mickeyl: thanks have a great holiday ;-) |
| 13:29.21 | mickeyl | :) thanks |
| 13:29.23 | ScaredyCat | have fun mickeyl |
| 13:29.40 | ScaredyCat | we'll have everything working for when you get back ;) |
| 13:29.48 | mickeyl | i hope so! :D |
| 13:29.50 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 13:31.03 | mentax | how I may mount SD? |
| 13:31.11 | ScaredyCat | carefully :P |
| 13:31.56 | Ghiottone | mentax, it should be already mounted in /media/card after booting into linux |
| 13:32.08 | mentax | hi not mount |
| 13:32.19 | ScaredyCat | if it's not it's probably kernel modules mismatch... |
| 13:32.33 | ScaredyCat | did you update kernel + rootfs ? |
| 13:32.37 | jpcass | lsmod | grep vfat |
| 13:33.25 | mentax | jpcass: not have |
| 13:34.02 | mentax | i using dpkg upgrade |
| 13:34.16 | jpcass | probably your modules are not same version to kernel; compare uname -r and /lib/modules/xxxxx |
| 13:35.03 | mentax | 2.6.21.5-moko10 |
| 13:35.16 | ScaredyCat | is that from uname ? |
| 13:35.25 | mentax | yes |
| 13:35.30 | mentax | uname -r |
| 13:35.41 | jpcass | best thing is to update the kernel with dfu-util to 2.6.22.5 (latest) |
| 13:36.04 | ScaredyCat | if you update your rootfs make sure your kernel matches |
| 13:36.05 | mentax | in lib/modules i have 2.6.22.5-moko11 |
| 13:36.16 | ScaredyCat | note the 'moko11' |
| 13:37.38 | ScaredyCat | flash this with dfu-util http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r2-fic-gta01.bin |
| 13:37.42 | mentax | hou |
| 13:37.42 | thomasg | anyone else with this problem: ERROR: '/home/thomasg/org.openembedded.dev/packages/ttf-fonts/ttf-liberation_0.2.bb' failed ? |
| 13:38.03 | thomasg | the reason is, that the file is on a https-server and wget doesn't use the --no-check-certificate option |
| 13:38.24 | ScaredyCat | why on earth is it https |
| 13:38.31 | thomasg | ask IBM |
| 13:39.07 | thomasg | ah, not IBM, I mean Red Hat |
| 13:39.22 | thomasg | https://www.redhat.com/f/fonts/liberation-fonts-ttf-3.tar.gz |
| 13:39.34 | jpcass | mentax: if you did ipkg upgrade, it updated the kernel modules (created /lib/modules/2.6.22.5) to latest version |
| 13:40.01 | jpcass | mentax: but the kernel itself must be updated seperately with dfu-util (it lives on a seperate partition in flash, not within / ) |
| 13:40.14 | mentax | jpcass: how version uImage i need download? |
| 13:40.29 | mentax | r0 or r2? |
| 13:40.43 | jpcass | mentax: use the one scaredycat pointed to above r2 |
| 13:41.36 | jpcass | thomasg: i've had that problem before with svn, is it scn you are downloading from? |
| 13:41.58 | thomasg | no, I'm using openembedded directly, not the openmoko-overlay or so |
| 13:42.31 | mentax | jpcass: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r2-fic-gta01.bin it that image? |
| 13:42.38 | jpcass | thomasg: its becuase with svn it sometimes asks the user will they accept a certificate and openembedded can't deal with that |
| 13:42.44 | jpcass | mentax: that will do yes |
| 13:42.50 | thomasg | and according to the log it tries to download the file with a simple wget https://www.redhat.com/f/fonts/liberation-fonts-ttf-3.tar.gz - and wget returns: certificate foo.. |
| 13:43.58 | jpcass | thomasg: ok. my solution with svn was to do it manually somewhere - svn stores the certificate so when you run openembeeded again it just works |
| 13:45.12 | sudharsh | anyone had a chance to mount the sd card from qtopia..am trying to "dualboot" OM and qtopia |
| 13:45.29 | mickeyl | done. |
| 13:45.31 | mickeyl | *phew* |
| 13:45.34 | mickeyl | league game now |
| 13:45.34 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 13:45.35 | mickeyl | cu |
| 13:45.40 | ScaredyCat | bye |
| 13:45.56 | mickey|sports | cu |
| 13:46.00 | ScaredyCat | erm |
| 13:46.02 | ScaredyCat | where is it |
| 13:46.05 | mickey|sports | (note that the post has been tagged 21th september ;) |
| 13:46.12 | mickey|sports | as this was the brainstorming |
| 13:46.13 | mickey|sports | heh |
| 13:46.24 | ScaredyCat | aaahh |
| 13:46.30 | ScaredyCat | crafty ;) |
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| 13:46.59 | thomasg | jpcass: downloading it manually wouldn't be a problem, but I don't know where to :) |
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| 13:47.26 | jpcass | sudharsh: sd works fine under qtopia... |
| 13:47.45 | thomasg | btw - today I got my new 6 GB microSD |
| 13:47.57 | sudharsh | jpcass, hmmm.../dev/sda doesnt exist |
| 13:48.09 | sudharsh | thomasg, :O, think about the pr0n |
| 13:48.10 | sudharsh | :P |
| 13:48.24 | thomasg | sudharsh: I said 6 GB |
| 13:48.27 | thomasg | not 6 TB :) |
| 13:48.30 | jpcass | thomasg: in the svn situation, i just checked it out anywhere - the imporant thing was that in doing that svn asks me a question and saves a certificate so that next time you run openembedded it works... |
| 13:48.41 | jpcass | thomasg: maybe wget does the same? |
| 13:49.05 | ScaredyCat | does it work thomasg? |
| 13:49.07 | jpcass | if not download it to /sources and try bitbake -c unpack (next step after fetch) |
| 13:49.10 | ScaredyCat | in th eneo/?? |
| 13:49.53 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: I wanted to test it by booting from it :) |
| 13:49.58 | thomasg | but openembedded doesn't like me :( |
| 13:49.58 | jpcass | sudharsh: its /dev/mmcblk0 - you need to make sure the kernel and modules are the same version |
| 13:50.00 | ScaredyCat | bugger that! |
| 13:50.08 | ScaredyCat | just plug it in and scp stuff to it :D |
| 13:50.13 | thomasg | :) |
| 13:50.19 | thomasg | seems I have to do that |
| 13:50.31 | ScaredyCat | it's the quickest test :) |
| 13:50.36 | jpcass | scaredycat: where is mickeyl's blog? |
| 13:50.49 | ScaredyCat | or dd if=/dev/zero |
| 13:50.59 | ScaredyCat | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/blog/ |
| 13:51.16 | ScaredyCat | it's under 21st, not today's date :) |
| 13:52.17 | ScaredyCat | I'm not sure anyone did actually suggest dropping openmoko completely though... or did I miss something? |
| 13:54.08 | cb22 | thomasg, how much did you pay for that? |
| 13:54.30 | cb22 | i'm looking at getting a 4gb one now |
| 13:55.12 | thomasg | about 90$ |
| 13:55.25 | thomasg | 60€ here in germany |
| 13:55.39 | cb22 | hmm, i think i'll stick with the 4gb one then |
| 13:55.44 | cb22 | $48 on amazon |
| 13:56.11 | cb22 | and $150 or so where i live |
| 13:56.14 | thomasg | the 4gb would have been around 50€ here. I also wanted to get one, but in all the local stores they only had 2gb and only 4gb was not available in the shops |
| 13:56.41 | thomasg | where are you from? |
| 13:56.49 | cb22 | south africa |
| 13:56.58 | ScaredyCat | http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=154540 ?? |
| 13:57.04 | thomasg | hardware always so expensive there? |
| 13:57.24 | cb22 | yep |
| 13:57.37 | cb22 | my parents are going to the states, so just getting them to get it |
| 13:58.57 | Ghiottone | got to go. bya lle |
| 13:59.03 | Ghiottone | by all* |
| 13:59.04 | aloril | (script) planet: Michael "mickeyl" Lauer: Hello (again), Qtopia! http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/09/21/hello-again-qtopia/ |
| 13:59.33 | ScaredyCat | adieu |
| 13:59.50 | buz | i think collaboration should go further even: there should even be a dbus interface to contact/todo/calendar data |
| 14:00.19 | jpcass | scaredycat: i didnt see that; maybe he got some personal communications! |
| 14:00.21 | buz | of course sticking dbus on everything is sort of a way around the GPL |
| 14:00.56 | buz | once you use dbus, you are no longer linking against gpl software per se |
| 14:01.24 | ScaredyCat | well, depends where you link.. :) |
| 14:01.39 | buz | well that's assuming you dont use a gpl'ed dbus client |
| 14:02.15 | thomasg | to the openembedded guys: if a SRC_URI starts with https - could you set wget to wget --no-check-certificate? I don't know if this is only my problem, but it seems necessary. |
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| 14:03.12 | CM | mickey|sports: Good post, and enjoy your disconnected vacation :) |
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| 14:06.35 | sudharsh | so where does the battery level info go in /proc? |
| 14:06.58 | mentax | how i may flashing kernel? |
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| 14:07.10 | mentax | using dfu-utils |
| 14:07.28 | sudharsh | dfu-util -a kernel -R -D <filename> |
| 14:07.39 | jpcass | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko |
| 14:08.03 | mentax | thx |
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| 14:15.47 | CM | sudharsh: I think /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt is all there is |
| 14:16.35 | ScaredyCat | jpcass: was it you trying to connect to your asterisk box with qtopias voip client? |
| 14:17.07 | jpcass | scaredycat: i tried but no success...didnt get very far... |
| 14:18.20 | jpcass | scaredcat: someone said you need to edit the Settings/Trolltech/SIPAgent.conf file directly as the UI introduces spaces... |
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| 14:21.43 | matschi | Hi |
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| 14:25.01 | matschi | I've read in the wiki that the GTA02 is gonna be available in December. Is that right? |
| 14:25.01 | aloril | matschi: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 14:29.00 | SpeedEvil | mattzerah: that is the latest estimate |
| 14:29.13 | buz | matschi: for all we know, yes |
| 14:29.13 | SpeedEvil | matschi: even |
| 14:29.29 | SpeedEvil | It's even an official one, for whatever that's worth |
| 14:30.34 | buz | i so want it for xmas |
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| 14:31.49 | jpcass | stefan_schmidt: are you around? |
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| 14:36.21 | matschi | Cool, maybe I finally by a cellphone. Doppelpunkt, Klammer auf |
| 14:36.41 | matschi | Oooops, stupid auto replace. |
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| 15:13.07 | emre_ | The program 'openmoko-today' received an X Window System error. |
| 15:13.07 | emre_ | This probably reflects a bug in the program. |
| 15:13.07 | emre_ | The error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'. |
| 15:13.07 | emre_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.07 | emre_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.08 | emre_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:13.37 | emre_ | This happens when I run openmoko-window (compiled for i386) running in xephyr. |
| 15:14.12 | emre_ | *openmoko-today |
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| 15:56.03 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Help Request for our Webshop |
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| 16:03.07 | cb22 | The bluetooth on the Neo, is it 2.0 or 2.1? |
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| 16:06.14 | SpeedEvil | IMO, for the near term - ebay webshop works fine for neo stuff. |
| 16:06.23 | SpeedEvil | lots of canned software |
| 16:06.23 | aloril | (script) openmoko-announce: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> [openmoko-announce] Help Request for our Webshop |
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| 16:08.48 | buz | writing a good webshop from scratch? sounds like insanity |
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| 16:09.52 | SpeedEvil | For a few thousand units, yes. |
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| 16:10.17 | buz | even for 10s of thousands |
| 16:10.50 | hhf423 | I agree |
| 16:11.07 | hhf423 | why the heck would someone write one more webshop these days |
| 16:11.14 | buz | NIH |
| 16:11.31 | hhf423 | ah, yes, I forgot that |
| 16:11.33 | buz | if java is an option, i would take a good luck at ofbiz |
| 16:11.41 | hhf423 | and of course for security reasons !!1! |
| 16:12.08 | anrp | clearly it should be written in assembly |
| 16:12.12 | anrp | for maximum efficiency |
| 16:12.17 | hhf423 | I would also recommend to write your own encryption algo's, for security reasons |
| 16:12.32 | hhf423 | yes, assembler is a good choice! |
| 16:12.33 | buz | not to forget your own database |
| 16:12.50 | hhf423 | I am fully with that. Then the could also use a GTA01 as the webshop system |
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| 16:13.32 | buz | in fact, that's a splendid idea. use a cluster of gta02 for websites. think about the marketing |
| 16:13.43 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Music_Player]] |
| 16:14.11 | buz | a few gta02 would easily saturate a 100mbit pipe with static content i'd guess |
| 16:14.21 | mmazur | Anyone got links to the qtopia firmware? |
| 16:14.22 | hhf423 | I'd say, use ebay or amazon as the shop platform and be done with it |
| 16:14.28 | mmazur | Need to wow some ppll |
| 16:14.38 | hhf423 | mmazur: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973 |
| 16:14.55 | buz | i can see why you want your own site. but not why you would want to build it yourself |
| 16:15.01 | mmazur | danke |
| 16:15.18 | buz | if i had the time, i'd apply though ;) |
| 16:16.31 | buz | and no php but perl is allowed? madness |
| 16:19.37 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - BTW: You're right. the HH in the neo isn't that super. I did a long walk and had it in my pocket. Way back (same side of the road) is about 15m away from my way to the destination. :-| |
| 16:20.07 | SpeedEvil | Some of this is GPS wander |
| 16:20.20 | SpeedEvil | the error will tend to be constantish for any GPS |
| 16:20.26 | SpeedEvil | and wander over time |
| 16:21.58 | Elrond | Ahh. |
| 16:23.08 | Elrond | I tried to mark some positions by walking edges. Only half of my markings are in the gpx. |
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| 16:25.29 | Elrond | Oh yuck. It has a half circle for a straight road. :-| |
| 16:28.14 | SpeedEvil | Now you know why I go out with 3 GPSs :) |
| 16:28.20 | SpeedEvil | More seriously. |
| 16:28.27 | SpeedEvil | Any obstruction |
| 16:29.04 | SpeedEvil | trees? |
| 16:29.27 | Elrond | Well, yes. That one road was in the middle of that village. |
| 16:29.41 | SpeedEvil | Trees cause problems |
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| 16:30.17 | SpeedEvil | Unless it is a special reduction drive |
| 16:30.19 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 16:30.31 | Fradeve | elrond: you contribute to OSM? |
| 16:31.03 | Elrond | Fradeve - Yes. |
| 16:31.21 | hhf423 | is the GPS usable in 2007.2 yet? |
| 16:31.36 | Elrond | hhf423 - Yes, in a chroot. |
| 16:32.08 | hhf423 | Elrond: did you try that? I did and got "permission denied" on gllin execution |
| 16:32.09 | SpeedEvil | http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=56.19411518881747&lon=-3.1574601226850736&zoom=12&layers=0BT - did all but the railway |
| 16:32.38 | Elrond | hhf - Yes, works nicely. |
| 16:32.39 | XorA | somewhere I once saw a program for making dynamic programs static, that would solve the need for gllin chrot |
| 16:32.49 | thomasg | so, I tested my 6 GB microSD and it work's. |
| 16:32.54 | SpeedEvil | Woo! |
| 16:32.55 | SpeedEvil | 6? |
| 16:33.05 | cesarb | thomasg: that exists? |
| 16:33.05 | buz | 6GB??? |
| 16:33.31 | hhf423 | thomasg: put it in the wiki |
| 16:33.38 | cesarb | thomasg: more storage than a DVD, in a fingernail-sized package? |
| 16:33.55 | buz | plz add me 2 |
| 16:34.08 | hhf423 | Elrond: what could be the issue if I get "permission denied", I alread did chown -R root.root on everything :-) |
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| 16:34.13 | Elrond | XorA - Should be doable, yes. ELF is quite flexible |
| 16:34.21 | thomasg | cesarb: yeah :) |
| 16:34.28 | thomasg | hhf423: yes, I'm on it |
| 16:34.36 | buz | wikipedia dvd hehehe |
| 16:34.38 | XorA | Elrond: it is do-able, I just cant find the program again |
| 16:34.46 | mwester | cesarb: gsmd works quite reliably for me now |
| 16:35.08 | cesarb | mwester: managed to fix it? or it simply decided to work? |
| 16:35.08 | Elrond | mwester - What's up with your gps? |
| 16:35.20 | buz | cesarb: afaik we dont yet have 8GB microsd ;) |
| 16:35.21 | mwester | Elrond: no gllin :( |
| 16:35.38 | cesarb | $ /bin/echo \\\\ |
| 16:35.41 | cesarb | \\ |
| 16:35.46 | cesarb | $ echo \\\\ |
| 16:35.49 | cesarb | \ |
| 16:35.52 | Fradeve | Elrond: so how much usable is Neo with OSM at now? Your experience not seems to be too good -.- |
| 16:35.54 | cesarb | that's annoying |
| 16:36.02 | mwester | cesarb: I'm not exactly sure. Some new commits yesterday for gsmd but I'm also using a patched kernel and I changed the startup sequence. Now I have to figure out which of these fixed it. |
| 16:36.18 | cesarb | dash's builtin echo seems to be seriously wonky |
| 16:36.20 | buz | so where do we get 6G cards? |
| 16:36.44 | ScaredyCat | expansys.com ? |
| 16:36.46 | mwester | Oush |
| 16:36.50 | mwester | er, Ouch even |
| 16:36.54 | buz | sounds like a weird product anyhow |
| 16:36.57 | ScaredyCat | http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=154540 |
| 16:37.04 | buz | i've never seen non powers of 2 memory cards |
| 16:37.18 | Elrond | Fradeve - Well, depends. My last try was quite good. I could easily mark special points by just walking some edge, etc. And got nicely aligned roads for forth and back. Todays trip wasn't as nice. |
| 16:37.37 | mwester | sounds quite practical -- like the hard drives. If an 8GB unit has too many defects, mark 2GB as bad and sell it as a 6GB. |
| 16:37.38 | thomasg | buz: a german resaler had 3 cards, 1 of them is in my neo, the other on the way to a neo-owner from austria :) |
| 16:37.38 | cesarb | buz: SD cards are more like hard disks, so they are not limited to powers of two |
| 16:37.51 | buz | cesarb: i know |
| 16:37.53 | buz | still never seen one |
| 16:37.54 | cesarb | buz: they have sector remaping, wear leveling, OOB data, the works |
| 16:37.58 | ScaredyCat | did you test yet thomasg? |
| 16:38.07 | cesarb | buz: yeah, now that you say it... I never saw one too |
| 16:38.08 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: yes (not uboot, but system) |
| 16:38.29 | cesarb | buz: and 6G still fits the powers of two scheme (2Gx3, looks like someone added a third chip) |
| 16:39.03 | SpeedEvil | 4G+2G |
| 16:39.20 | buz | yeah i figure it's probably some combinatio |
| 16:39.21 | thomasg | can it be that SDHC means it is more than 1 single chip? |
| 16:39.31 | buz | shdc means its more than 2G |
| 16:39.37 | buz | and uses sector instead of byte addressing |
| 16:39.42 | thomasg | so this would fit: 2gb SD, 2x2GB SDHC, 3x2GB SDHC, 4x2GB SDHC |
| 16:43.21 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - The other gps, that I have, is only a "street navigator", it can only mark points, not save whole tracks. :-| |
| 16:44.37 | bedboi | hi all |
| 16:44.49 | bedboi | where i can find the bitback log? |
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| 16:45.13 | mwester | With the original script, gsmd is back to the bad behavior again. |
| 16:45.52 | mentax | when I want play mp3 i have error: internal data flow error |
| 16:47.10 | mentax | what is it? |
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| 16:47.22 | mentax | how i may play music? |
| 16:47.53 | fgau | mentax: killall pulseaudio |
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| 16:48.13 | fgau | and, alsactl restore -f /etc/stereoout.state |
| 16:48.20 | fgau | works fine for me |
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| 16:55.14 | hhf423 | can I use the GTA01 with a USB graphics card as a surf station later when gta02 is out? |
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| 16:55.51 | hhf423 | but then again 200Mhz is probably not going to cut it |
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| 16:58.08 | mentax | fgau: not work |
| 17:01.49 | fgau | mentax: hm |
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| 17:06.11 | mwester | cesarb: ping! |
| 17:18.57 | bedboi | m-linux-gnueabi/csu/crt1.o: In function `_start': |
| 17:18.58 | bedboi | init.c:(.text+0x24): undefined reference to `__libc_start_main' |
| 17:18.58 | bedboi | init.c:(.text+0x28): undefined reference to `abort' |
| 17:18.58 | bedboi | init.c:(.text+0x2c): undefined reference to `__libc_csu_fini' |
| 17:18.58 | bedboi | init.c:(.text+0x34): undefined reference to `__libc_csu_init'than |
| 17:19.35 | bedboi | it's stuck in glibc-intermediate-2.5-r7 |
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| 17:29.16 | bedboi | what's the preferred version i should use? |
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| 17:35.41 | cesarb | mwester: sorry, went away to try to debug some A/V trouble |
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| 17:38.41 | cesarb | Why can't A/V gear get its input from a common standardized connection, output to a common standardized connection, and have a single box with several inputs and outputs from that common standardized connection which can route/split/join signals any way I want? |
| 17:38.49 | cesarb | Like ethernet? |
| 17:39.28 | juri_ | bandwidth/power requirements. ;) |
| 17:40.34 | cesarb | juri_: for sure if you circuit switch you can avoid any bw/power trouble... |
| 17:40.55 | cesarb | juri_: just circuit switching would already really reduce the cabling spaghetti |
| 17:41.16 | juri_ | then you'd be talking about chip realestate. :) |
| 17:42.21 | juri_ | most of what you want is commercially available, if you route it all to a fpga, and write some vhdl to accomplish your task.. |
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| 17:43.39 | juri_ | i'm available to do that, for the right price. welcome to "the world". :) |
| 17:44.58 | mwester | cesarb: firewire |
| 17:45.11 | mwester | although HDMI has made the cabling a lot better |
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| 17:48.47 | mwester | cesarb: I can get reliable startup of the gsmd, but only if *everything* is just so. There are several problems that all indicate serial device initialization problems. |
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| 17:50.10 | mwester | cesarb: Also one whopper of a bad problem - if gsmd crashes, then something(s) try to restart it - simultaneously. gsmd won't start two copies (says it's already running), but the modem power-off/on and stty stuff in /etc/init.d/gsmd has already run, and messed up the serial port for the on that *is* running... |
| 17:50.57 | thseiler | mwester: maybe it would be a good idea to move contol of power for the gsm module inside gmsd |
| 17:50.58 | cesarb | mwester: that's already known, it's (IIRC) the icon thingy in the task bar and the library the dialer uses |
| 17:51.18 | cesarb | mwester: both try to deal with a nonworking gsmd by restarting them |
| 17:51.33 | thseiler | Is there a reason why this is currently done in the init scripts ? |
| 17:51.40 | cesarb | mwester: which IMAO is stupid; it's not their job, there should be a "service manager" (upstart?) to deal with that |
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| 17:51.55 | cesarb | thseiler: yes, it's voodoo debugging |
| 17:52.05 | mwester | thseiler: That's exactly what I was thinking -- the edits to the gsmd startup that got it working reliably for me involve minimizing the power on/off and delays. |
| 17:52.17 | cesarb | thseiler: they started sticking lots and lots of "let's see if THIS works" everywhere |
| 17:53.05 | mwester | cesarb: a gsmd that forks off a child to do the work, then restarts it as necessary makes a lot of sense. |
| 17:53.45 | thseiler | mwester: then, the daemon (parent) could take care of power. |
| 17:53.53 | cesarb | mwester: the Apache way? yeah, it makes some sense... but shouldn't be needed, gsmd shouldn't crash ever |
| 17:54.04 | thseiler | If the child crashes, restart without touching the power at all. |
| 17:54.08 | cesarb | mwester: and if it crashes, a service manager should restart it |
| 17:54.22 | mwester | "shouldn't" is the correct design goal, but defensive design says the Apache model is a good one. |
| 17:55.31 | mwester | thseiler: Ideally the parent could start a child in a "recovery" mode to see if gsmd can recover without a power-cycle of the modem - if that fails, the parent could power-cycle, and start afresh. |
| 17:55.54 | thseiler | mwester: I like that idea. |
| 17:56.02 | mwester | cesarb: Do you know if gsmd keeps state beyond matching the responses to the commands? |
| 17:56.49 | thseiler | there is a tiny bit of state at startup, but nothing once it has started up, as far as i know. |
| 17:57.04 | cesarb | mwester: dunno, I only looked at the command/response stuff. There's a globalish struct (struct gsmd IIRC) which should keep the state if there's any, just look at it |
| 17:57.37 | mwester | Ok. I'll try some gross hacks first (wish I had Perl on this thing). |
| 17:57.44 | thseiler | ;-) |
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| 18:01.16 | mwester | Hmm... apparently perl is built, but not installed into the image? |
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| 18:03.43 | cesarb | mwester: it probably is in the feed, just use ipkg to install it |
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| 18:13.44 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Ast]] [[Wish_List_UserProfile_Child]] [[Wishlist:Profiles]] [[Wish_List_UserProfile_Employee]] [[Supported_microSD_cards]] |
| 18:15.15 | Vegar | can gta02 be used as a Wii controller? |
| 18:15.39 | SpeedEvil | Not really |
| 18:15.47 | SpeedEvil | there is nothing to read hte sensor bar |
| 18:16.08 | SpeedEvil | close eyes first. |
| 18:16.10 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 18:18.12 | cesarb | What's next, Oracle? |
| 18:18.17 | SpeedEvil | it's needed for openstreetmap - server. |
| 18:18.40 | SpeedEvil | though you need to upgrade to the 60Gb microsd |
| 18:20.18 | mwester | I thought the gigantic SD cards were reserved for all the duplicates of the enormous .wav files? |
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| 18:29.27 | Vegar | SpeedEvil: I was thinking hypothetically |
| 18:30.15 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: I know |
| 18:30.40 | Vegar | so it's possible if I close my eyes? |
| 18:31.09 | SpeedEvil | No - close eyes first was a mischan |
| 18:33.12 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 18:35.10 | ScaredyCat | you can't cycle screens |
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| 18:54.07 | bedboi | is there any good reason for gtk people not to develop a framebuffer backend? |
| 18:55.52 | bedboi | are there any benchmarks for applications running over X or on FB? |
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| 19:06.27 | Unleashed | :) |
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| 19:09.30 | Uned | grrr |
| 19:09.37 | Uned | nite! |
| 19:09.42 | anrp | nite D: |
| 19:09.47 | bedboi | i just read the mickeyl post |
| 19:09.59 | bedboi | i quite agree |
| 19:10.22 | bedboi | btw imho gtk people should consider the FB backend |
| 19:10.24 | roh | bedboi there is a gtk on directfb, without x11. that also renders to unaccelerated framebuffers as well as having some accelerated drivers |
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| 19:10.47 | bedboi | i guess there was |
| 19:10.48 | bedboi | http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2005/05/msg00167.html |
| 19:10.49 | roh | bedboi but that will not buy that much performance. |
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| 19:11.12 | bedboi | roh: it is always the same question (even on modern desktops) |
| 19:11.13 | roh | bedboi the direct to fbdev port is afaik totally unmaintained and not complete |
| 19:11.21 | bedboi | do we really need x? |
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| 19:11.42 | anrp | depends on who you ask |
| 19:11.53 | bedboi | users |
| 19:11.58 | bedboi | stupid users |
| 19:12.03 | anrp | users could care less |
| 19:12.08 | bedboi | yep |
| 19:12.08 | anrp | err.. couldn't |
| 19:12.10 | bedboi | they do |
| 19:12.25 | bedboi | they don't need an x server |
| 19:12.53 | bedboi | on my desktop i will always use X |
| 19:12.58 | bedboi | ssh -X :) |
| 19:13.03 | anrp | boo cat /dev/fb ftw |
| 19:13.38 | anrp | ...but yeah, X is the only major, working, used, standardized graphics system on linux for now |
| 19:13.38 | bedboi | i mean |
| 19:13.53 | bedboi | why gtk should not implement a solid DFB backend |
| 19:13.57 | bedboi | i don't see any stoppers |
| 19:14.06 | anrp | what about kde apps D: |
| 19:14.17 | bedboi | who cares |
| 19:14.21 | bedboi | j/k |
| 19:14.24 | juri_ | is there something newer than 2007.2 i can download? |
| 19:14.27 | anrp | some users might? :o |
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| 19:14.45 | mwester | Just because its the best we have implemented right now doesn't mean that it's the best we are capable of doing, or even the best suited for the current environment. |
| 19:14.51 | bedboi | anrp: i'm not sure, but maybe qt has the fb backend |
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| 19:15.13 | juri_ | i'm wanting to play media, and use the GPS on my phone. |
| 19:15.19 | bedboi | mwester: i agree. there has been a lot of efforts so far to replace x |
| 19:15.26 | juri_ | (no dialing/recieving calls) |
| 19:15.34 | anrp | qt definately does |
| 19:15.37 | anrp | qpe uses it |
| 19:15.43 | mwester | Anyone remember Sun's NeWS ? |
| 19:15.51 | anrp | but i'm almost 100% sure it won't cooperate with gtk/directfb |
| 19:15.56 | juri_ | mwester: remember Berlin? :) |
| 19:16.30 | anrp | juri_: gps is still of questionable legality... |
| 19:16.31 | anrp | afaik |
| 19:16.38 | anrp | to use at least |
| 19:16.52 | juri_ | anrp: howso? |
| 19:17.07 | anrp | the gps driver program was never properly released |
| 19:17.19 | cb22 | bedboi, have you seen http://www.directfb.org/wiki/index.php/Projects:GTK_on_DirectFB ? |
| 19:17.20 | mwester | well, one can only fall afoul of the gps issue if one stumbles across a gllin binary somewhere, and that's not too likely... :) |
| 19:17.25 | juri_ | the hardware dosent speak nmea natively? |
| 19:17.34 | mwester | Alas, no. |
| 19:17.52 | anrp | cheaper, smaller to do it that way |
| 19:17.54 | mwester | So without the closed binary library, the GPS is about as useful as a rock. |
| 19:18.21 | juri_ | *sigh* |
| 19:18.40 | bedboi | cb22: so it is not dead |
| 19:18.41 | anrp | you can find *cough* the gllin binary *cough* around |
| 19:18.42 | anrp | if you want it |
| 19:19.06 | juri_ | i wonder where the reverse engineering team hangs arround at. :) |
| 19:19.18 | bedboi | they use 2.10.13 |
| 19:19.41 | anrp | its not just re |
| 19:19.44 | anrp | the GPS logic is in there |
| 19:20.16 | anrp | and the questionable release comes from the fact that it may be able to run afoul of ITAR restrictions if it's user modifiable |
| 19:20.21 | juri_ | hmm. so kindof like the situation reguarding the atheros wireless chipsets.. |
| 19:20.29 | cb22 | anrp, are you sure of that one? |
| 19:20.34 | anrp | not 100% |
| 19:20.54 | anrp | but if the logic has the ability to remove the 500m/s and/or 50km (?) limits |
| 19:21.00 | anrp | then it becomoes controlled under itar... |
| 19:21.08 | mjr | SpeedEvil made a good case that it's so with the ITAR (which only applies when taking the device and software combo across the US border, btw) |
| 19:21.10 | anrp | *becomes |
| 19:21.19 | cb22 | i remember reading somewhere... |
| 19:21.23 | cb22 | now i just cant get the link |
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| 19:21.47 | cb22 | here we go |
| 19:21.48 | cb22 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS |
| 19:22.06 | cb22 | the last comment: The ITAR legislation may not apply, considering the phone is currently not "Designed for producing navigation results above 60,000 feet altitude and at 1,000 knots velocity or greater;" |
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| 19:22.20 | cb22 | emphasis on _designed_ |
| 19:23.34 | anrp | you want to argue with us defense lawyers about semantics? |
| 19:23.36 | anrp | be my guest |
| 19:23.48 | cb22 | lol, not arguing |
| 19:24.00 | cb22 | just stating what the page says, i'm not even in the US |
| 19:24.08 | anrp | arguing semantics with a lawyer is almost always a losing proposition ~_~ |
| 19:24.31 | anrp | clearly the limit will create a market for slow moving cruise missiles |
| 19:24.45 | anrp | or scramjet-based platforms |
| 19:24.50 | mwester | Now is not a good time to be arguing points about ITAR and similar laws, lest one find oneself in an orange jumpsuit near Cuba. |
| 19:25.57 | cb22 | And in other news today, 7 members from the OpenMoko development team were arrested as they tried to enter the United States, for selling phon^W missile guidence systems to the North Koreans |
| 19:26.28 | mjr | indeedio |
| 19:26.40 | bedboi | ahahah |
| 19:27.19 | anrp | a definite oops moment there |
| 19:27.22 | juri_ | meh. won't be the first time i've violated us arms restrictions. :P |
| 19:27.43 | cb22 | what, you bring a cigrette lighter on a plane or something? :p |
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| 19:27.56 | anrp | zomg terra!!1 |
| 19:28.05 | anrp | or some such |
| 19:28.19 | bedboi | btw US is damn cheap now. |
| 19:28.32 | doc|home | bedboi: the entire US :/ |
| 19:28.37 | doc|home | not just the dollar :/ |
| 19:28.44 | cb22 | bedboi, i have an amazon order for a 4gb mem stick, a bluetooth keyboard and two books... |
| 19:28.58 | juri_ | bedboi: my paychecks feel smaller as a result. :/ |
| 19:28.59 | cb22 | all together it costs less with shipping then the 4gb mem card does in South Africa |
| 19:29.09 | bedboi | ehhehe, i just bought a battery for my x41 (in italy is 150 eur, here is less than 80$) |
| 19:29.23 | doc|home | bedboi: which in turn, is about 0 euro :/ |
| 19:29.25 | doc|home | *40 |
| 19:29.32 | bedboi | ahaha |
| 19:29.32 | bedboi | yep |
| 19:29.33 | bedboi | that's the cool part |
| 19:29.51 | bedboi | i feel like rich |
| 19:29.58 | doc|home | heh |
| 19:30.27 | bedboi | i will very soon feel poor |
| 19:30.37 | bedboi | paris is way too expansive |
| 19:30.42 | bedboi | expensive |
| 19:31.01 | bedboi | well it expands too |
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| 19:32.53 | cb22 | so funny, i'm getting my neo's accessories before i'm getting it |
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| 19:44.04 | cesarb | took only about four patches... |
| 19:48.12 | bedboi | NOTE: package glibc-2.5-r7: task do_populate_staging: started " 20 minutes like this... |
| 19:48.14 | bedboi | damn |
| 19:48.16 | bedboi | it's 4 hours :) |
| 19:48.20 | bedboi | stupid pentium m 1.50 GHz |
| 19:51.11 | thseiler | cesarb: do these patches by chance include a workaround for mtpaint ? |
| 19:51.34 | thseiler | and congratulation, btw |
| 19:52.22 | cesarb | thseiler: yep |
| 19:52.48 | cesarb | thseiler: 3050 |
| 19:53.37 | thseiler | 3050 ? |
| 19:53.39 | cesarb | thseiler: which is in fact the workaround I made for 2007.1 and rwhitby had added to mokomakefile, but which was lost when everything changed to 2007.2. I assumed it had been applied upstream, or had already been fixed... looks like it wasn't |
| 19:53.46 | cesarb | thseiler: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3050 |
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| 19:54.46 | thseiler | ah , now i understand. wrong tracker... |
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| 19:59.12 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03zecke * r3033 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-hint-entry.h): |
| 19:59.12 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 2007-09-22 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 19:59.12 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Change the header file to be parsable by h2def.py, which will |
| 19:59.13 | CIA-23 | openmoko: reduce the manual work needed to create bindings. |
| 19:59.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-hint-entry.h: |
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| 20:04.39 | thomasg | is there really nobody else who has the ttf-liberation problem? |
| 20:04.41 | mickeyl | abraxa_: mediaplayer segfaults |
| 20:04.52 | mickeyl | abraxa_: after spitting out some: |
| 20:05.01 | mickeyl | (openmoko-mediaplayer:1711): Gtk-WARNING **: Useless empty GtkIconSource |
| 20:05.33 | mickeyl | thomasg: ? |
| 20:05.57 | thomasg | mickeyl: openembedded tries to download the ttf-liberation from from a red hat httpS server via wget |
| 20:06.21 | thomasg | of course wget fails because it's https and the --no-check-certificate option is not set |
| 20:06.49 | cesarb | thomasg: shouldn't wget have already some CAs to check against? |
| 20:06.57 | cesarb | thomasg: I doubt it's self-signed |
| 20:07.05 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Uhh... I haven't seen that before. Hm. |
| 20:07.16 | mickeyl | abraxa_: did you rename some pixmaps yet? |
| 20:07.21 | thomasg | cesarb: I don't know - but it definitely fails :) |
| 20:07.27 | mickeyl | i have no traceback since i don't have debuggin symbols yet |
| 20:07.35 | mickeyl | thomasg: hmm, how 'bout setting this option? |
| 20:07.42 | thomasg | mickeyl: how? :) |
| 20:07.45 | mickeyl | thomasg: you can configure your wget call in local.conf |
| 20:07.49 | mickeyl | see bitbake.conf for an idea |
| 20:07.53 | mickeyl | FETCHCOMMAND |
| 20:07.54 | mickeyl | or something |
| 20:08.05 | thomasg | ok, thanks |
| 20:08.11 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: I tried but don't have commit permissions so I actually wanted to ask you how to proceed (just got back home) |
| 20:08.19 | mickeyl | ah right |
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| 20:08.42 | mickeyl | please add your ideas to the bugtracker then, i can't enable permission right now (tons of other things until I'm leaving tomorrow) |
| 20:09.00 | cesarb | thomasg: both wget and curl work fine for me, and curl in verbose mode shows it explicitly accepts the certificate (I know curl can be annoying about it) |
| 20:09.01 | thomasg | mickeyl: thanks, it's FETCHCOMMAND_wget |
| 20:09.07 | mickeyl | :) |
| 20:09.08 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Okay, that's perfectly fine :) |
| 20:09.16 | cesarb | thomasg: your distribution probably has a broken CA certificates package |
| 20:09.52 | thomasg | cesarb: might be. it's a debian-chroot inside my gentoo system (use it only for OE) |
| 20:09.53 | cesarb | thomasg: or perhaps a paranoid nothing-is-enabled-by-default CA certificates package |
| 20:10.33 | cesarb | thomasg: IIRC debian has a ca-certificates package... try installing it, and then using dpkg-reconfigure on it to check if all are enabled (I don't recall if debian enables or disables all certificates by default) |
| 20:11.12 | juri_ | ok, then let me start again... is there a newer image than 2007.2 for me to flash? :) |
| 20:11.13 | thomasg | cesarb: you're right |
| 20:11.27 | cesarb | juri_: only snapshots, but they are all called 2007.2 too ;-) |
| 20:11.27 | thomasg | why haven't I had this problems in past? |
| 20:11.46 | cesarb | thomasg: because only selinux-loving redhat is actually paranoid enough to use https? |
| 20:12.04 | thomasg | cesarb: :) |
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| 20:12.11 | cesarb | thomasg: they use https for _mailing list archives_ ffs (or was it bugzilla pages? don't remember) |
| 20:13.27 | juri_ | cesarb: where would i get them? :) |
| 20:13.44 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Games]] |
| 20:15.38 | cesarb | juri_: either you build it yourself, or you get from one of the several autobuilders... there's a list of them somewhere (I think under some page called something like "Repositories" in the wiki) |
| 20:16.04 | juri_ | thanks. :) |
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| 20:17.11 | thomasg | thanks cesarb, that solved the problem |
| 20:17.39 | thomasg | thats the problem if you aren't using and updating the chroot-system :) |
| 20:18.01 | mickeyl | abraxa_: ok, i think it's not your fault |
| 20:18.06 | mickeyl | all applications SIGSEGv |
| 20:18.10 | mickeyl | i don't think i can release this |
| 20:18.12 | abraxa_ | Ouch. |
| 20:18.24 | mickeyl | something seriously wrong in that compile |
| 20:18.43 | cesarb | thomasg: perhaps the problem was how you built the chroot... I think debootstrap builds a minimal system, instead of the more complete one installed by the text-mode installer |
| 20:19.00 | cesarb | thomasg: installing under qemu and then copying to your chroot could be a way to avoid it |
| 20:19.16 | cesarb | thomasg: or installing under qemu, listing the dpkg selections, and applying them to the chroot |
| 20:19.39 | thomasg | next time I'll use a virtual machine |
| 20:19.55 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: was that a clean build? |
| 20:20.00 | mickeyl | yes |
| 20:20.16 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: badness |
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| 20:20.35 | mickeyl | ok, gpe-scap works |
| 20:20.42 | mickeyl | so it's only the moko-apps |
| 20:20.52 | mickeyl | i remember thos changing something wrt icons in moko-stoick |
| 20:20.56 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: Just take it easy and enjoy your holidays - no need to stress out :) |
| 20:21.14 | mickeyl | well, i wanted to release a september snapshot before going, but it doesn't look like i can do that :/ |
| 20:21.26 | mickeyl | last try... downgrading libmokoui |
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| 20:22.21 | riot | re |
| 20:23.16 | abraxa_ | I figured as much, hehe... though I'd rather see a happy and relaxed Mickey than one who burns himself out even the last few hours before holidays ;) |
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| 20:29.40 | mickeyl | apt: botmail to thos: http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/libmokoui/moko-stock.c?rev=3023&view=rev breaks all moko applications here. getting a Gtk-WARNING **: Useless empty GtkIconSource. Reverting libmokoui2 to 2708 fixes it. |
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| 20:42.44 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl: you are supposed to be on holiday you naughty boy! |
| 20:43.01 | mickeyl | no no, not today |
| 20:43.02 | mickeyl | tomorrow |
| 20:43.03 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 20:43.15 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 20:43.18 | CM | 1h 17 minutes left! |
| 20:43.24 | mickeyl | I'm supposed to spend the remaining evening with my wife though |
| 20:43.54 | CM | mickeyl: You'll have two weeks for that, starting tomorrow :) |
| 20:43.55 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: you must be in bad books by now |
| 20:44.15 | mickeyl | XorA|gone: indeed |
| 20:44.30 | mickeyl | it's just that everything takes longer than expected |
| 20:44.31 | mickeyl | everytime |
| 20:44.33 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 20:44.49 | CM | It always does |
| 20:45.13 | CM | mickeyl: We'll leave plenty of bug reports in bugzilla for you until you're back ;) |
| 20:46.30 | ScaredyCat | at your age? |
| 20:46.46 | mickeyl | heh |
| 20:46.48 | mickeyl | never too late to party |
| 20:47.08 | ScaredyCat | to they allow zimmer frames in clubs? |
| 20:47.12 | ScaredyCat | do |
| 20:49.30 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: goto Torture Garden, anything goes :-) |
| 20:49.53 | ScaredyCat | heheh |
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| 21:02.03 | cesarb | Is it just me that cannot hear the annoying bootup tune anymore? The sound is working (as alsactl restoring the stereoout state shows), but even copying the stereoout state over /etc/asound.state isn't enough to make it make noises |
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| 21:03.03 | XorA | cesarb: and your complaining? |
| 21:03.15 | XorA | cesarb: rejoice in the lack of startup sound |
| 21:04.01 | cesarb | XorA: heh |
| 21:04.10 | cesarb | XorA: even then, it's a bug |
| 21:04.42 | cesarb | XorA: if we don't keep the annoying tune up, people won't have an incentive to make a preferences panel where you can chose WHICH annoying tune to use (or disable the tune altogether) |
| 21:04.47 | cesarb | XorA: it's all part of a plan :D |
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| 21:15.41 | bedboi | i have an oe newbie question |
| 21:16.05 | bedboi | i'm trying to compile my application and put it in an ipk |
| 21:16.13 | bedboi | it has some libraries and some applications |
| 21:17.07 | bedboi | ah yep i was missing inherit autotools |
| 21:17.41 | bedboi | it's a long time that i don't play with oe |
| 21:20.04 | XorA | thats the sort of newbie I like, solves their own problems :-D |
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| 21:20.38 | bedboi | btw now i have another quesiton: is there a simple way to rebuild a package, i don't want to remove the stamp files |
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| 21:21.09 | XorA | bitbake blah -c rebuild |
| 21:21.24 | bedboi | thanks |
| 21:23.10 | thseiler | im playing around with the GSM module in u-boot terminal mode, and i sometimes get the first character of a response wrong. |
| 21:23.32 | thseiler | I.e instead of "OK" i get "TK" or "UK" |
| 21:24.09 | thseiler | also happening with the unsolicited responsed, "1CLIP" or "TCLIP" instead of "+CLIP" |
| 21:24.23 | thseiler | has anybody made a similar observation ? |
| 21:26.10 | thseiler | again: AT+CHLD=? |
| 21:26.10 | thseiler | 1CHLD: (0,1,1x,2,2x,3,4) |
| 21:26.10 | thseiler | AT+CHLD=? |
| 21:26.10 | thseiler | +CHLD: (0,1,1x,2,2x,3,4) |
| 21:26.38 | thseiler | hm, could it be that the UART has trouble loking onto the startbit ? |
| 21:27.33 | SpeedEvil | odd |
| 21:28.43 | thseiler | SpeedEvil: If this happens also when the kernel is booted, then it will trouble gsmd |
| 21:29.20 | SpeedEvil | strace |
| 21:29.24 | SpeedEvil | will tell you |
| 21:29.39 | thseiler | great idea, will do, thanks! |
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| 21:38.34 | ScaredyCat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=[cheese] |
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| 21:40.05 | _diego__ | (openmoko-dialer:1725): Pango-WARNING **: _pango_cairo_font_install called with bad font, expect ugly output |
| 21:40.12 | ScaredyCat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=cheese |
| 21:40.15 | hhf423 | thseiler: file a bug report |
| 21:40.33 | _diego__ | anyidea how to find what wrong? |
| 21:40.47 | thseiler | hhf423: Right now i try to reproduce this with the kernel running |
| 21:41.10 | thseiler | hhf423; Could be that the clocks are different under uboot and kernel |
| 21:41.55 | thseiler | hhf423: Maybe its just my setup here... |
| 21:42.10 | ScaredyCat | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3050 |
| 21:42.16 | hhf423 | thseiler: which uboot are you using? |
| 21:42.41 | thseiler | newest (think it 1.3.0), the one that wouldn't boot execpt from aux menu |
| 21:43.09 | ScaredyCat | !bug 777 |
| 21:43.19 | ScaredyCat | ~bug 777 |
| 21:43.27 | ScaredyCat | gah |
| 21:43.27 | hhf423 | thseiler: well, it sounds like a thing one would find fast in testing |
| 21:43.39 | hhf423 | !ombug 777 |
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| 21:43.53 | thseiler | hhf423: its revision svn 2943 |
| 21:43.58 | hhf423 | ~lart bugs |
| 21:43.58 | apt | explains, ever so gently, that if bugs doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 21:44.17 | thseiler | hhf423: yes i've just booted back into openmoko |
| 21:47.11 | ScaredyCat | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=777 |
| 21:48.02 | bedboi | when arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc is not found what's the issue? |
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| 21:52.41 | thseiler | hhf423: hm, interestingly, im not able to reproduce the buggy behaviour from u-boot under kernel the kernel with libgsmd-tool -m atcmd |
| 21:54.07 | hhf423 | so then its probably a uboot issue, no? |
| 21:55.09 | thseiler | hhf423: yep, think so |
| 21:55.18 | thseiler | maybe the are running with a different main clock than the kernel or something, more importantly this does not affect gsmd. |
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| 22:01.00 | _diego__ | where can i find a recend build of openmoko? |
| 22:01.17 | hhf423 | _diego__: define "recent", 17. September? |
| 22:01.34 | hhf423 | _diego__: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/?C=M;O=D |
| 22:02.15 | _diego__ | should be enough recent ^^ |
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| 22:03.26 | _diego__ | i've build an image, but it doesn't look right, almost every character appears as a box |
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| 22:04.30 | _diego__ | it seems that some fonts are not installed |
| 22:04.31 | hhf423 | that sounds broken |
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| 22:14.03 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Games]] |
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| 22:20.25 | Elrond | Does anyone know, if zdanek is coming again here? |
| 22:21.32 | mwester | ~seen zdanek |
| 22:21.35 | apt | zdanek <n=b@ams122.internetdsl.tpnet.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 1d 19m 58s ago, saying: 'cu'. |
| 22:22.08 | mwester | I thought he was around today, but I guess I was mistaken |
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| 22:31.41 | Elrond | mwester - Hmm, I wanted to talk a little about the chroot with him. |
| 22:31.41 | bedboi | cool!!! I've been able to port very easily my application |
| 22:33.04 | bedboi | i was not able to port it on n800 |
| 22:33.48 | SpeedEvil | what chroot? |
| 22:36.38 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - the gllin chroot. zdanek created a nice .tar.gz for it. I have some ideas for this. |
| 22:37.06 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 22:45.24 | thomasg | does openmoko-devel-install build the linux-openmoko-devel or the linux-openmoko kernel? |
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| 22:49.01 | juri_ | hmm. "finding" a copy of gllin is non-trivial. :)\ |
| 22:49.22 | cb22_ | juri_, good luck |
| 22:54.00 | mwester | thomasg: linux-openmoko |
| 22:54.39 | mwester | juri: Yes, I suspect google will be of little help. :) |
| 22:56.04 | thomasg | mwester: thx |
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| 23:04.11 | juri_ | mwester: it is of 0 help. such is life. :) |
| 23:07.31 | cb22_ | maybe try some index of tricks |
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| 23:17.46 | Vegar | does gllin run on .2? |
| 23:18.43 | SpeedEvil | Not natively. |
| 23:18.51 | SpeedEvil | you need to do chroot stuff. |
| 23:18.56 | SpeedEvil | with parts of a .1 image |
| 23:26.32 | niclone | hehe |
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| 23:41.02 | cindy | niclone - are you running emacs on the neo? |
| 23:41.24 | niclone | cindy: yes (in console) |
| 23:43.50 | cindy | Oh, what do I need to do to run emacs (if it isn't too much to explain) |
| 23:44.11 | niclone | hehe, it need about 60MB ;) |
| 23:44.23 | niclone | i had to put some parts on the sdcard |
| 23:44.56 | niclone | cindy: well, i can give you the ipkg |
| 23:45.01 | cindy | Yeah, joe might be fine but it is hard to for me to learn new habits, been using emacs since '85 or so |
| 23:45.06 | niclone | cindy: or you can build it yourself |
| 23:45.30 | mwester | joe includes "jmacs" which is emacs-compatible. |
| 23:45.34 | niclone | cindy: if you have already play with mokomakefile |
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| 23:46.23 | cindy | I have played a little, just now starting to build my own app, but haven't gotten far yet. |
| 23:48.12 | mwester | If you decide emacs is a bit too heavyweight, just bitbake joe, and copy the resulting ipkg file from the images directory structure to the neo. Easy. |
| 23:48.39 | rwhitby | mwester: joe should be in the feeds |
| 23:48.43 | mwester | (I too prefer emacs, but I can't devote 60MB to it on the little device!) |
| 23:49.09 | niclone | i think you just have to do: make build-package-emacs |
| 23:49.16 | niclone | wait... wait... a loooong time |
| 23:49.47 | niclone | next, i've make a link of /usr/share/emacs --> /media/card/somewhere |
| 23:49.57 | niclone | and then installed the .ipkg |
| 23:50.02 | rwhitby | niclone: yeah, we tested the emacs build a couple of weeks ago, but didn't put it in the feed so people didn't hose their jffs2 installing it |
| 23:50.13 | niclone | :) |
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| 23:51.25 | cindy | Ok thanks! I will do that. Though you have talked me into trying Joe too since I don't have tons of spare space. |
| 23:52.10 | SpeedEvil | You can get 6 gigabyte microSDs now. |
| 23:53.32 | sagacis | Where? I could only find 4gb's. The 8gbs are coming out next spring |
| 23:53.47 | cindy | I will have to get a 6G microSD - just to run emacs ;-) |
| 23:53.49 | niclone | wow, that should be enough for emacs 23 :) |
| 23:55.18 | SpeedEvil | someone mentioned it earlier |
| 23:55.23 | SpeedEvil | last 6gb |
| 23:55.24 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 23:56.12 | SpeedEvil | <thomasg> tomorrow my 6gb microSD will arrive :) |
| 23:57.07 | niclone | strange size |
| 23:57.17 | thomasg | I assume 3*2GB chips |
| 23:57.37 | thomasg | but don't know how it really is |
