| 00:01.41 | dkr | cool use of accelerometers, shaking ants off your phone. :) http://www.iphonestalk.com/iphone-ants/ |
| 00:04.26 | shipman | :-O |
| 00:05.28 | shipman | iPhone talk! blasphemy |
| 00:05.36 | |R | haha |
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| 00:06.25 | rwhitby | BT is great for home and work - much less power draw than wifi |
| 00:06.52 | shipman | true, but less public open hotspot-ness |
| 00:06.59 | rwhitby | absolutely |
| 00:07.45 | rwhitby | home/work free BT, public sparse wifi, costly everywhere GPRS is the hierarchy I use. |
| 00:09.01 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page/it]] [[User:Fradeve11]] [[Artwork/it]] [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] |
| 00:12.52 | Ghiottone | hey rwhitby |
| 00:12.57 | shipman | do many people use BT for internet use? |
| 00:13.21 | shipman | as opposed to wi-fi |
| 00:14.03 | Ghiottone | rwhitby, what about the patch for the subversion trunk of openmoko, did you receive it? |
| 00:14.48 | Ghiottone | rwhitby, is it working now or does it need something else? |
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| 00:17.44 | rwhitby | shipman: I do, on the Treo650 |
| 00:17.50 | rwhitby | (and on the Neo now too) |
| 00:18.01 | shipman | :-O |
| 00:18.01 | rwhitby | Ghiottone: I just haven't got to it yet. |
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| 00:18.32 | rwhitby | dund for the treo650, pand for the neo1973. both running on a usb bluetooth adapter on an nslu2. |
| 00:18.40 | rwhitby | (openwrt) |
| 00:19.10 | rwhitby | I should be able to make the neo automatically connect to home and work BT networks when in range. |
| 00:19.25 | Ghiottone | rwhitby, ok. then I'll wait for a reply before getting back to this subject |
| 00:20.01 | rwhitby | and since BT is so much lower power when idle than wifi, i should be able to remain connected permanently for most of the 24 hour day (home/work) |
| 00:20.11 | shipman | cool |
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| 00:24.15 | shipman | oh my |
| 00:24.16 | shipman | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070919-apples-fight-against-iphone-unlocks-may-result-in-expensive-bricks.html |
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| 00:28.13 | Lynet | "have reason to believe". Depending on what the reason is, it might just be guesswork. |
| 00:28.27 | shipman | true |
| 00:28.36 | ajmitch | just the risk of buying closed hardware |
| 00:32.31 | juri_ | grr. my bluetooth dongle is missing. |
| 00:32.37 | shipman | oh my |
| 00:33.08 | jseghers_ | For those who were trying to help figure what was wrong with uicmoc3-native earlier (and for anyone who finds this log searching) the resolution was to rebuild qmake-native. Then uicmoc3-native builds OK. |
| 00:33.54 | jseghers_ | This was on a complete rebuild where the image includes qt-x11-free (in order to get qvfb). |
| 00:35.17 | abraxa_ | shipman: There is a webkit-based browser for OpenMoko already: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2c059c58e8bbecc1d23b3644765e5b3b.png - I would assume that this will ship |
| 00:35.47 | shipman | oh, ok |
| 00:35.49 | shipman | nice |
| 00:36.12 | shipman | with Flash? |
| 00:36.20 | abraxa_ | I don't think there's Flash for ARM |
| 00:36.23 | shipman | oh |
| 00:36.25 | shipman | right |
| 00:37.25 | abraxa_ | Maybe Silverlight... *runs from the angry mob* |
| 00:37.32 | shipman | :-O |
| 00:37.40 | impulse | silverlight looks cool |
| 00:38.07 | shipman | is silverlight it's own protocol, or does it work with existing flash sites? |
| 00:38.23 | dkr | how come I see so much german stuff in regards to openmoko? ;) |
| 00:38.26 | shipman | ::::curiosity::::: |
| 00:38.27 | abraxa_ | It's based on .NET so totally not compatible with Flash |
| 00:38.39 | manyoso | however, webkit now supports svg |
| 00:38.42 | abraxa_ | shipman: http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/faq.aspx |
| 00:39.24 | ajmitch | I'd say that gnash & probably swfdec will run |
| 00:39.27 | shipman | but just how many sites will use silverlight |
| 00:39.37 | abraxa_ | dkr: Cause like... 75% of the core team is German and a ton of OM volunteers are German, too :) |
| 00:39.43 | impulse | depends how popular it'll get |
| 00:39.56 | shipman | dkr: the germans are conquering |
| 00:39.57 | impulse | i think silverlight will gain quite some |
| 00:40.14 | impulse | lets hope ppl wont abuse it like flash |
| 00:40.24 | impulse | wish they of course will |
| 00:40.57 | dkr | abraxa_: ah, i figured it was something like that. but didn't see anything obvious like "Openmoko AG" instead of "Openmoko Inc." :) |
| 00:41.20 | shipman | they don't even teach flash anymore at my university in the viscom department |
| 00:41.23 | shipman | :-O |
| 00:41.50 | shipman | correction : my old university |
| 00:42.15 | abraxa_ | shipman: Maybe they realized that closed-source platform-dependent crap isn't getting anywhere |
| 00:42.21 | impulse | flash is a bit ehm... useless :>, i dont like it |
| 00:42.23 | shipman | true |
| 00:42.45 | shipman | though it has cut down to the jobs I can apply to in about half |
| 00:43.02 | shipman | as everyone wants someone trained in flash :-/ |
| 00:43.25 | impulse | you just add it to your skills |
| 00:44.03 | impulse | usally if you're working at a decent company they'll just use it to use a certain font |
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| 00:46.45 | anrp | there's lots of love for flash on samsung's website |
| 00:46.50 | anrp | and lots of hate for samsung's website here |
| 00:46.54 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 00:47.23 | shipman | oh yeah, Nokia's is pretty bad too |
| 00:47.34 | shipman | not samsung bad, but bad |
| 00:47.46 | shipman | websites are turning into DVD menus |
| 00:49.40 | SpeedEvil | Nokia has an excuse - sort-of. |
| 00:49.57 | SpeedEvil | It is intended to be pretty over content. |
| 00:50.11 | SpeedEvil | Samsungs semiconductor website is pretty much information only. |
| 00:50.24 | shipman | haha, true |
| 00:50.58 | SpeedEvil | Which is why you get a flash thing that takes 10 seconds to load on some computers, and displays a 1 line table. |
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| 00:51.12 | shipman | yeah |
| 00:51.34 | shipman | believe it or not some people only have access to dialup |
| 00:52.01 | Ghiottone | in which package is the head program? |
| 00:52.31 | SpeedEvil | I think it's in busybox |
| 00:52.46 | SpeedEvil | or coreutils if not |
| 00:56.45 | cesarb | If OM ever takes more than 43GB to build, I'm in trouble |
| 01:02.35 | jseghers_ | cesarb: there are 1TB disks available... :) |
| 01:02.43 | SpeedEvil | Not free. |
| 01:02.47 | cesarb | jseghers_: mine has only a fourth of that |
| 01:03.13 | cesarb | jseghers_: and it's less than an year old |
| 01:03.28 | cesarb | jseghers_: already full of junk |
| 01:03.30 | jseghers_ | cesarb: just saying... that there *are* other solutions :) |
| 01:03.45 | jseghers_ | cesarb: well, yes, I suppose with a 1 |
| 01:03.59 | jseghers_ | er.. a 1TB it would also quickly fill with junk |
| 01:04.24 | cesarb | jseghers_: well, I had 1/4 of my disk unallocated (I was planning on using it for a couple of VMs in the future, but ubuntu's xen crashed on x86-64) |
| 01:04.40 | jseghers_ | :) |
| 01:04.46 | cesarb | jseghers_: so, since a build dir is a pretty temporary thing, why not? that's, after all, the beauty of using lvm2... |
| 01:05.42 | jseghers_ | :) |
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| 01:06.09 | cesarb | $ cat /proc/mounts | wc -l |
| 01:06.10 | cesarb | 19 |
| 01:06.22 | cesarb | $ cat /proc/mounts | grep ^/dev | wc -l |
| 01:06.25 | cesarb | 6 |
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| 01:06.57 | cesarb | distros these days seem to really love adding more and more special filesystems... |
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| 01:12.10 | abraxa_ | Amazing. openmoko-today eats 8% CPU on the Neo even when idle |
| 01:12.38 | cesarb | abraxa_: well, it does that today. Did it do that yesterday? |
| 01:12.42 | cesarb | (bad pun, sorry) |
| 01:12.55 | abraxa_ | ;) |
| 01:14.24 | abraxa_ | Man, this looks bad. 25% CPU for PulseAudio alone when using gstreamer... |
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| 01:23.17 | Casten | Anyone know where the source files live in the build structure? I'm looking for files, but I all see are bz2 and patch files. What does one need to do to get a normal source tree? |
| 01:23.34 | cesarb | Casten: they are in build/tmp/worl |
| 01:23.38 | Casten | Can't a brother get a .c file? |
| 01:23.38 | abraxa_ | Source files of what? The packages to be built? |
| 01:23.40 | cesarb | s/worl/work/ |
| 01:24.51 | Casten | Yeah, the sources of the packages |
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| 01:25.26 | Casten | all I see are run.* files and log files |
| 01:26.03 | Casten | This build structure is very different than anything I have worked with. |
| 01:26.32 | cesarb | Casten: let me guess, you are using rm_work, which removes the build files after building the package... |
| 01:26.55 | Casten | hmm, that would be in the config? Let me see |
| 01:26.57 | cesarb | Casten: read up on gentoo's portage or freebsd's ports, the phylosophy (sp?) is quite similar |
| 01:27.11 | cesarb | Casten: and the are documented, unlike bitbake ;-) |
| 01:27.34 | cesarb | (in fact, IIRC bitbake is inspired by gentoo's portage, which is inspired by freebsd's ports) |
| 01:27.45 | Casten | ah, yes, that is in the conf, thanks cesarb |
| 01:28.18 | Casten | so if I want to see the source for a package, I can just remove that and rebuild the package, right? |
| 01:29.16 | abraxa_ | Yep Carsten |
| 01:29.17 | cesarb | Casten: if all you want is to see the source, yeah, that's enough (in fact, my build tree is so old it doesn't even have that to begin with; it's added only on new trees) |
| 01:29.18 | abraxa_ | Casten* |
| 01:29.37 | cesarb | Casten: btw, I dislike rm_work... precisely because I do want to see the source |
| 01:29.51 | Casten | I can understand that. |
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| 01:54.32 | cesarb | Did anyone manage to use qtopia's onscreen keyboard? |
| 01:54.58 | sagaci1 | cesarb: I played with it for a few minutes... You can almost use your fingers. |
| 01:55.32 | cesarb | sagaci1: I cannot make it type anything (tried in the field where you set the bluetooth name), and worse of all, I cannot see how to backspace |
| 01:57.28 | cesarb | It also seems to have some confusing predictive typing... |
| 01:57.48 | ljp | backspace is a right to left stroke |
| 01:58.12 | ljp | it puts a word for you to click on |
| 01:58.41 | ljp | and then to change to caps or symbols, use an up or down motion on th eleft or right side of the keypd |
| 01:58.53 | sagaci1 | ljp Thanks for the tips! |
| 01:59.05 | ljp | no worries |
| 01:59.06 | cesarb | I just tried to type "asdf" and it converted it to "were" (wtf?) with options "adds", "seer", "were", "serf", and "weed" |
| 01:59.22 | milo_ | my neo allways hangs at reboot (end of the loader bar when it shuts down). should i update to the latest uboot?? mine is still the one it shipped with |
| 01:59.26 | cesarb | (this keyboard manages to be way more confusing than OM's) |
| 01:59.27 | ljp | press and hold on a letter |
| 01:59.44 | ljp | its better once you know how. its easy to learn |
| 01:59.50 | cesarb | ljp: ouch. I would NEVER guess that's the trick |
| 02:00.00 | ljp | ya not very obvious |
| 02:00.08 | sagaci1 | milo_, you'll need to take the console=/dev/ttySAC0... field out of your boot arguments in the uboot. |
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| 02:00.31 | ljp | hmmm lunch time |
| 02:00.31 | cesarb | ljp: and how in the world did it decide to "predictive type" "asdf" to "were"? the keys are like NOT next to each other... |
| 02:00.47 | ljp | not real sure... :) |
| 02:00.50 | ljp | bbiaw |
| 02:00.51 | sagaci1 | cesarb: most common four letter word? |
| 02:01.00 | sagaci1 | or at least clean four letter word |
| 02:03.14 | milo_ | sagaci1: thanks. how to do that? with minicom? or would the latest uboot image fix it as well.. thought of updating it because allways have to erase rootfs when flashing cause uboot is to old? will it maybe fix both problems, i mean the new uboot? |
| 02:05.08 | cesarb | ljp: ok, now I can at least type something (but this keyboard is as horrible as most phone keyboards I've seen). Now, how do I type the bluetooth name of the device, if the keyboard covers it so I cannot see what I'm mistyping, and pressing the green arrow closes the dialog? |
| 02:05.35 | sagaci1 | milo_: I don't know. I still haven't updated uboot either. Yes, with minicom or cu or whatever. |
| 02:06.12 | cesarb | milo_: it's not in the uboot image, it's on the uboot environment |
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| 02:06.43 | cesarb | milo_: it's a whole another partition (and you don't even have to save; you can edit it in memory, boot, and the change will be gone next boot) |
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| 02:08.32 | milo_ | great, will try that. one more question :D is there a url for the gllin binary? lost it |
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| 02:09.01 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Battery]] [[Artwork/it]] |
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| 02:12.58 | pjz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.00 | pjz | gah, stupid space |
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| 02:16.12 | retracile | The GTA02 wiki page has an estimated timeline that looks like December for general availability of the hardware. Other places claim October. Has the Dec. date been authoritatively confirmed or denied yet? |
| 02:16.40 | abraxa_ | retracile: See the corresponding talk page |
| 02:16.43 | bedboi | retracile: i guess December is a shoot-in-the-dark page |
| 02:16.53 | bedboi | s/page/tentative date/ |
| 02:17.30 | tRubl | Is "Not Connected to network" a Sim based issue? Or are there other possible causes? |
| 02:17.35 | retracile | abraxa_: I read through that, but it sounded like people making educated guesses without being "in the know". |
| 02:17.46 | abraxa_ | retracile: That's how it is. |
| 02:18.38 | bedboi | retracile: yep, it is all about guesses. |
| 02:18.56 | cesarb | tRubl: it can also be because the SIM's network is GSM850, which is not working for some reason |
| 02:19.58 | cesarb | tRubl: fortunately, most of the world doesn't use GSM850 |
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| 02:20.56 | tRubl | cesarb: you mean 850 support is currently broke? |
| 02:22.26 | cesarb | tRubl: nobody has managed to make it work, and FIC/Openmoko has been silent on the issue (but then, they have been prone to long hiatuses followed by grandiose announcements) |
| 02:23.03 | cesarb | tRubl: current suspicions around people in this channel is not that it's broken, merely disabled |
| 02:23.31 | tRubl | ok, when I first got my phone and flashed it with the images linked from the wiki, I was able to make a call (using a 7-11 Speakout sim), but I haven't been able to for the last several weeks. I'll have to try my tmo sim then, thanks. |
| 02:23.56 | tRubl | oh, gotcha |
| 02:26.57 | technil | looks like something serious just happened |
| 02:27.03 | retracile | Hey! I showered this morning guys! |
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| 02:27.40 | ljp | a terminal is not a basic requirement of a phone |
| 02:27.41 | ljp | hmm netsplit |
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| 02:27.41 | technil | on the qtopia topic, does it have either dropbear or openssh? |
| 02:27.42 | ljp | yes, its the same distribution |
| 02:27.54 | cesarb | ljp: a terminal is a basic requirement for hacking on the phone... not all things can be done on the guy yet |
| 02:27.59 | technil | ljp: ah, just the gui parts and some apps are switched out |
| 02:28.08 | ljp | thats what ssh is for |
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| 02:28.39 | cesarb | ljp: ssh requires a computer nearby. You cannot do it on the ferry or on the bus, unless you want to risk opening a laptop |
| 02:28.56 | ljp | cesarb: thats because something broke in Qtopia between the time I was on parental leave |
| 02:28.59 | cesarb | ljp: of course, a qtopia ssh client would work just as fine ;-) |
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| 02:29.58 | jaebird | ljp: jumping in here...how do i backspace or enter numbers using the onscreen keyboard? |
| 02:31.36 | linux_galore | Allot of new funky hand held UMPC's being released I notices, the new Fuji U1010 apparently is sold out in HK |
| 02:31.47 | ljp | to backspace is a right to left motion. to get symbols, caps or numbers is an up or down motion on the left or right of the kaypad |
| 02:31.54 | linux_galore | *noticed |
| 02:32.09 | jaebird | ahh..thx |
| 02:32.19 | ljp | not very obvious at this state |
| 02:32.22 | jaebird | :) |
| 02:32.31 | linux_galore | the Fuji U1010 apparently can run Linux and the screen can be twisted around to make it a PDA |
| 02:33.07 | jaebird | it found my 4gigs of ogg files...but no player, heh...maybe some rudimentary player by next snapshot? |
| 02:33.13 | linux_galore | there is also a Fuji U800 model for those on a tight budget |
| 02:33.29 | jaebird | saw the list about helix, gstreamer is what i use anyways |
| 02:33.53 | jaebird | although, mpd might be kinda cool |
| 02:35.41 | linux_galore | GTA01 should have enough grunt to play an avi file (N770 has a slower cpu and works fine) |
| 02:36.15 | cesarb | linux_galore: GTA01 has too high resolution for its own good |
| 02:36.33 | jaebird | funny too...the N800 has a less capable video processor which makes it less then the 770 |
| 02:36.40 | cesarb | linux_galore: people have been saying things about halving the resolution when playing video |
| 02:37.06 | linux_galore | cesarb: well the N770 has a screen with higher res |
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| 02:37.32 | linux_galore | 840x489 |
| 02:37.44 | linux_galore | oops |
| 02:38.19 | linux_galore | 800x480 |
| 02:38.45 | Casten | anyone know how to restore a directory under build/tmp/work/arm4t*/*gone* ? I tried cleaning the project, updating, etc. to no avail. |
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| 02:40.11 | jaebird | have the moko devs or the pr guys gone dark? |
| 02:40.25 | juri_ | i think they started dark. :) |
| 02:40.45 | jaebird | i know ninjas are cool and all... |
| 02:41.03 | cesarb | jaebird: they are probably at yet another congress |
| 02:42.18 | cesarb | jaebird: from which they will emerge with yet another of sean's "great news!" announcements and 3d6 commits of code |
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| 02:42.33 | jaebird | i would love to some response of one-up-manship! |
| 02:43.47 | linux_galore | looks like i will be using my Nokia phone for another year heh |
| 02:44.00 | jaebird | my gsmd is still not reliable, at least it doesn't seem to be with the dialer/panel |
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| 02:45.20 | abraxa_ | Casten: make build-package-foo |
| 02:45.45 | Casten | yeah, that doesn't do it for me |
| 02:46.09 | abraxa_ | Does it execute do_unpack? |
| 02:46.38 | abraxa_ | If not then you need to remove the stamp(s) build/tmp/stamps/arm*/foo.do_* |
| 02:46.59 | Casten | I just removed the package under sources and it looks like it's moving ahead now |
| 02:47.21 | Casten | ah, that's a good tip too, I'll have to remember that, thanks |
| 02:47.39 | jaebird | wow...on ebay neo with dev kit went for 305.00US and plain neo went for 338.00US 7 days later |
| 02:47.50 | milo_ | any hints where to find gllin driver online? |
| 02:48.08 | Casten | hmm, just stopped again, I'll try the stamps |
| 02:48.09 | abraxa_ | milo_: EABI or OABI? |
| 02:48.36 | milo_ | OABI |
| 02:48.48 | abraxa_ | That's still in development unfortunately |
| 02:48.52 | abraxa_ | err |
| 02:49.00 | abraxa_ | n/m, EABI is |
| 02:49.22 | milo_ | :( and EABI for the meanwhile? |
| 02:49.35 | milo_ | err OABI :D |
| 02:51.20 | Casten | abraxa: That didn't help either. |
| 02:52.00 | abraxa_ | Casten: Can you copy your command and screen output to a pastebin? |
| 02:52.07 | Casten | will do |
| 02:53.13 | Casten | pastebin.ca/704141 |
| 02:54.58 | milo_ | abraxa_: no tinyurl for the binary? i'm lost.. need my position right now or will be parched by to tomorrow ;) |
| 02:55.28 | anrp | ... silence ... |
| 02:56.09 | abraxa_ | Casten: Is your problem the failed compile or something else? |
| 02:56.52 | Casten | failed compile |
| 02:56.58 | abraxa_ | Ah |
| 02:57.23 | abraxa_ | And milo_, you might wanna have a look at /nickserv's registration feature |
| 02:57.25 | Casten | u-boot didn't break recently did it? |
| 02:58.12 | abraxa_ | Casten: "*** No rule to make target `fic-gta01_config'. Stop." - what does your local.conf look like? |
| 02:59.05 | Casten | just has machine, distro and build_arch |
| 02:59.28 | Casten | I guess that last line is required, huh? >< |
| 02:59.45 | Casten | I tried removing it to keep it from rm_all'ing |
| 02:59.59 | Casten | guess that's not the right approach |
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| 03:00.49 | Casten | guess I need to put back inherit |
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| 03:01.18 | abraxa_ | Not necessarily |
| 03:01.39 | abraxa_ | You might however want to try building uboot-openmoko instead |
| 03:01.49 | abraxa_ | "make build-package-uboot-openmoko" |
| 03:02.02 | Casten | hmm |
| 03:03.12 | Casten | this build process is really something |
| 03:03.42 | abraxa_ | Indeed, though it's bound to get worked out |
| 03:04.02 | Casten | well, in other news, I got Hello World running on my device, that was nice |
| 03:04.09 | abraxa_ | Awesome :) |
| 03:04.13 | rwhitby | Casten: u-boot doesn't build for fic-gta01, you need to build uboot-openmoko |
| 03:04.25 | rwhitby | (like abraxa_ said) |
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| 03:04.40 | Casten | ok, thanks rwhitby, I'm doing that now |
| 03:04.48 | abraxa_ | Thanks for clearing that up, rwhitby :) |
| 03:05.58 | Casten | yeah, much better, thanks guys, now I can see the source with that rm_work taken out of the conf |
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| 03:08.38 | Casten | wow, so shortage of |
| 03:08.53 | Casten | wow, so shortage of #define's in uboot |
| 03:08.56 | Casten | *no |
| 03:09.31 | anrp | its configurable |
| 03:10.42 | Casten | what's everyone's fav irc client? |
| 03:11.22 | rwhitby | I use X-Chat on laptop and n800, and ptpChat on Treo650, and irssi on NSLU2. |
| 03:16.09 | abraxa_ | Hmm... I wonder if the touchscreen problems I see are only occuring on my device. |
| 03:16.35 | abraxa_ | I can repeatedly hit the touchscreen on the same spot and I will activate controls that are on totally different areas of the screen... |
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| 03:19.05 | casten | This XChat seems much better |
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| 03:29.39 | zmedico | marek: I filed bug 886 with a patch for that segfault |
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| 04:19.13 | Psi | so what language should i learn for neo app programming? |
| 04:19.40 | Psi | currently know pascal(delphi) and C (not c++) |
| 04:20.08 | Psi | i was thinking about python |
| 04:20.13 | Psi | but i really dont know |
| 04:20.20 | mwester | Psi: Depends on the environment you'll be using, but C is a good choice for OpenMoko. C++ for Qtopia. And I expect there will be a jvm on the device as well. |
| 04:21.06 | mwester | I don't expect any scripting languages (which is what I consider python to be) will be useful for large applications due to relatively slow CPU and not as much RAM as a desktop. |
| 04:21.21 | Psi | good point |
| 04:21.24 | mwester | JMO - your mileage may vary |
| 04:22.11 | Psi | C it is then |
| 04:23.07 | Psi | all my C experience is from microcontrollers tho, so ill have to learn gui stuff |
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| 04:27.07 | mwester | Psi: :) Coding a gui is easy, I've learned. *Designing* a good gui I've found to be considerably more difficult, especially since I have trouble even color-coordinating my clothing! |
| 04:27.32 | Psi | luckily i did two papers on GUI design at uni :) |
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| 04:36.10 | notuniq | is there some way i can confirm that the phone can at least see the sim card? i have tried a bunch of different sim cards but they all give me 'SIM not inserted' failures |
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| 04:52.41 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 05:06.32 | Psi | notuniq, what is giving you that message? |
| 05:06.56 | notuniq | i get CME error 10 in the gsm.log |
| 05:07.18 | notuniq | http://pastebin.com/m67ca02e7 |
| 05:08.32 | Psi | tried this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM |
| 05:08.34 | abraxa_ | Psi: C++ will come in handy, too |
| 05:08.40 | notuniq | when i try doing it manually i just get 'ERROR' at AT+CPIN and AT+COPS |
| 05:08.46 | Psi | note, that article has change alot since i last did it |
| 05:09.07 | Psi | hm.. |
| 05:09.35 | Psi | i got ERROR like that when my sim card wasnt in correctly |
| 05:10.10 | Psi | but even when it works i think i still get error on one of them, other says OK and it can make calls/answer fine |
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| 05:11.08 | notuniq | i haven't been able to get it to acknowledge the sim card or show me any operators at all |
| 05:11.37 | notuniq | listing operators with libgsmd-tool shows me "Netreg registration denied" |
| 05:11.58 | notuniq | i don't really know enough to figure out how to work out what's going wrong |
| 05:12.12 | Psi | neither do i really |
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| 05:12.33 | Psi | once i verified that i could make a call manually i didnt really do anything else with it |
| 05:12.47 | Psi | i got it to call once from the gui, but only once |
| 05:13.48 | Psi | maybe try flashing it back to 2007.1 |
| 05:14.04 | Psi | then try the manual gsm guide |
| 05:14.04 | CM | Same here, I still can't get gsmd working properly |
| 05:14.27 | CM | and using the console seems totally dead too |
| 05:14.40 | notuniq | i got the same thing when i did manual with 2007.1 |
| 05:15.32 | Psi | CM, have you ever got it to call at all? |
| 05:16.38 | CM | yes, a few times but only with scaredycats image from sept 3 |
| 05:16.45 | Psi | notuniq, when you type AT+CPIN="...." are you actually typing your pin ? :P |
| 05:16.56 | notuniq | yes |
| 05:17.21 | Psi | i put my sim back into my phone and turned the pincode off |
| 05:17.29 | Psi | so i didnt have to |
| 05:17.36 | Psi | maybe you should try that |
| 05:18.33 | notuniq | i don't have an unlocked phone to use it with |
| 05:18.36 | Psi | notuniq, if you just type AT do you get OK ? |
| 05:18.50 | notuniq | i think so |
| 05:18.58 | Psi | ok, so the modem is actually responding |
| 05:19.14 | Psi | hm.. |
| 05:19.44 | notuniq | yeah, i can get it to respond to some AT commands (ones relating to the handset, i think), but i can't seem to get it to respond well to ones relating to the sim card |
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| 05:20.08 | Psi | have a look at the simcard port |
| 05:20.25 | notuniq | the physical port? |
| 05:20.26 | Psi | just to check the pins didnt get bent or anything while you were inserting the sim |
| 05:20.37 | notuniq | okay |
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| 05:21.33 | Psi | but i wouldn't start poking around the pins with anything just yet, even if they do look bent |
| 05:22.14 | Psi | you would want to see a pic of the pins on a working neo, just to check they aren't supposed to be that way. |
| 05:24.33 | Psi | you could also try a piece of paper in between the sim and the battery, just in case it isn't making contact. (unlikely tho, since no one else seems to have had that problem) |
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| 05:26.18 | notuniq | pins seem fine, everything seems to line up |
| 05:27.13 | Psi | then maybe your best bet is to erase/reflash your neo with an image together with someone else whos phone works, and then follow exactly what they do to make a call |
| 05:28.04 | notuniq | okay, thanks for your help |
| 05:28.18 | Psi | no problem |
| 05:35.04 | Any_Key | abraxa_, for you question about touchscreen 2 hours ago, the same thing in qemu, recalibration dosn't change behavior. |
| 05:36.04 | abraxa_ | Any_Key: Oh, really? I would've thought it to be a hardware issue but if it's software then that doesn't sound as bad anymore |
| 05:37.20 | Any_Key | It was worse, getting better from build to build :-) |
| 05:39.09 | Any_Key | abraxa_, do you now, is it possible to get touchscreen raw data? |
| 05:40.14 | abraxa_ | Any_Key: ts_print_raw might be what you seek |
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| 06:09.21 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hammerhead/Protocol]] |
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| 06:22.35 | Any_Key | abraxa_, I've played with ts_print and ts_print_raw thew produced pretty good output on single clicks (qemu) but go mad on multiple fast clicks: random or out of screen size coordinates. strange |
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| 06:28.16 | abraxa_ | Any_Key: Sounds just like what I encounter, too |
| 06:28.34 | abraxa_ | Any_Key: I wonder if there's a bug report already... |
| 06:29.00 | Any_Key | abraxa_, no only 2 bugs considering touchscreen |
| 06:29.10 | abraxa_ | Any_Key: Mind filing it then? |
| 06:29.45 | Any_Key | abraxa_, Iwont to get more data about it first |
| 06:30.03 | abraxa_ | Any_Key: Great :) |
| 06:30.32 | Any_Key | abraxa_, May be it time to get gadgetfs work :-/ |
| 06:30.52 | abraxa_ | Any_Key: What do you mean? |
| 06:33.05 | Any_Key | abraxa_, I don't have GTA hardware, and it not so funny work on qemu without "real" access (mean ssh) |
| 06:34.27 | abraxa_ | Any_Key: Ah... yeah, I can see what you mean now ;x |
| 06:35.02 | CM | Any_Key: Waiting for GTA02? |
| 06:37.39 | Any_Key | CM Not really, 1) don't have spare $400 2) and it steel hard to get electronics not approved by customs in to Russia ;-) |
| 06:37.59 | CM | Ah.. Ouch |
| 06:39.19 | cjb_ie | how close are you to a border, and do you have a friend outside that it could be delivered to, for you to collect? :) |
| 06:40.31 | ScaredyCat | CM: ... |
| 06:40.40 | Any_Key | CM, 3 I don't consider myself as programmer, translating and bug hunting good as a hobby, so I leave first devises to "real" devs |
| 06:40.42 | cjb_ie | ScaredyCat: any luck with your VCR? |
| 06:41.03 | ScaredyCat | cjb_ie: yeah eventually... but I don;t know how |
| 06:41.17 | cjb_ie | it wasn't a long press on the power button then? |
| 06:41.24 | ScaredyCat | no... |
| 06:41.34 | ScaredyCat | thanks for all the lnks though... |
| 06:41.38 | cjb_ie | np |
| 06:41.42 | Any_Key | cjb_ie, Pretty close to Finland, Its not so big problem to get outside and back for me |
| 06:41.44 | CM | Any_Key: Well, I'm not a "real" dev either, but it's fun to try and get things working |
| 06:41.44 | ScaredyCat | I think I cold service it now ;) |
| 06:41.53 | ScaredyCat | could |
| 06:41.54 | CM | ScaredyCat: ..! |
| 06:42.16 | ScaredyCat | have you looked at my builds lateley? |
| 06:42.32 | CM | Nope, but I'd happily try one |
| 06:42.48 | cjb_ie | i'm sure there's a couple of finns here |
| 06:42.50 | CM | I flashed my own build from last evening this morning, and still can't get calling to work |
| 06:43.01 | CM | cjb_ie: Quite a few even |
| 06:43.01 | cjb_ie | right, time to go to work *sigh* |
| 06:43.56 | ScaredyCat | thry this one ;) http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/qtopia-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 |
| 06:44.13 | ScaredyCat | looks fishy cjb_ie |
| 06:44.27 | ScaredyCat | fins ... fishy, get it... |
| 06:44.33 | ScaredyCat | I'll get me coat |
| 06:45.08 | CM | ScaredyCat: failed: Connection refused. |
| 06:45.29 | ScaredyCat | wtf |
| 06:45.47 | CM | Same as with your images before |
| 06:46.19 | ScaredyCat | oh.. |
| 06:46.21 | ScaredyCat | perms |
| 06:46.24 | ScaredyCat | 1 sec |
| 06:46.26 | zmedico | ScaredyCat: I'd like to try building a qtopia image. did you make the recipe yourself? |
| 06:46.35 | ScaredyCat | no zmedico |
| 06:47.16 | ScaredyCat | get the qtopia-opensource-4.3 tarball and look in the devices/ficgta01 folder |
| 06:47.17 | zmedico | I didn't see a recipe for it in the OE repository |
| 06:47.25 | zmedico | ahh |
| 06:47.32 | ScaredyCat | it's in the qtopia tarball,, local overlay |
| 06:47.36 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 06:47.51 | buz | any chance to run that image on qemu? |
| 06:47.53 | zmedico | ScaredyCat: thanks |
| 06:48.02 | CM | ScaredyCat: Downloading now :) |
| 06:48.30 | CM | ScaredyCat: What kernel? |
| 06:49.58 | CM | ScaredyCat: Btw, do you have a working uboot_env? mtdblock1 that is? |
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| 06:50.10 | CM | I'm a bit worried that mine is totally borked.. |
| 06:50.22 | CM | Can't seem to overwrite it correctly even |
| 06:50.38 | CM | I've tried both with dd and dfu-util |
| 06:50.39 | ScaredyCat | try http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/OpenMoko-qtopia-image-glibc-ipk-P1-September-Snapshot-20070919-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 06:50.51 | ScaredyCat | :O |
| 06:51.00 | ScaredyCat | whay happens when you dd it? |
| 06:51.16 | CM | Nothing |
| 06:51.25 | CM | Looks just the same when I restart |
| 06:51.47 | CM | All black, only Boot and Factory Reset as options, and Boot never works |
| 06:51.57 | CM | Still fail on "Bad magic number" every time |
| 06:52.10 | CM | Somewhat annoying, but I've gotten used to it by now |
| 06:52.47 | ScaredyCat | mmm... lemmie dig it out |
| 06:52.57 | ScaredyCat | kernel is 2.6.22.5-moko11 for that image btw |
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| 06:53.22 | CM | Have it downloaded already :) |
| 06:53.28 | CM | Just took the latest one |
| 06:53.39 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/mtdblock1_b.bin |
| 06:54.08 | ScaredyCat | did you notice what the image was? |
| 06:54.31 | CM | What image? |
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| 06:54.49 | ScaredyCat | ^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 06:55.06 | ScaredyCat | <ScaredyCat> try http://buildhost.automated.it/OM200....... |
| 06:55.23 | CM | Ah, yes. Have it too, thanks |
| 06:55.35 | CM | But wasn't that the same image as you posted the first time? |
| 06:55.48 | ScaredyCat | no.. first one was a symlink |
| 06:55.49 | CM | They're the exact same size, and created at the same time :) |
| 06:55.50 | ScaredyCat | to it |
| 06:56.02 | CM | Ah, ok. It worked too though |
| 06:56.37 | CM | I just let wget name it |
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| 06:58.09 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 06:58.41 | CM | I'll reflash as soon as I get home |
| 06:59.10 | ScaredyCat | did you get the mtdblock tooo? |
| 06:59.35 | CM | Sure did, danke for that one too |
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| 07:00.49 | CM | I'm a bit worried that I would have to do a nand erase on the boot_env to get it back in shape, but I can't use usb-serial until I have that in the boot menu.... Catch 22? |
| 07:02.08 | ScaredyCat | I think it would just use the defaults then... you need to test, or get someone to test with qemu first |
| 07:02.41 | CM | What do you mean? |
| 07:02.53 | CM | Ah, ok |
| 07:03.05 | CM | And yes, it's using the defaults now all the time |
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| 07:15.41 | ljp | ScaredyCat: is that your server? |
| 07:15.55 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 07:16.19 | ScaredyCat | well, not entirely mine :) |
| 07:16.20 | ljp | are you compiling that? you should use 4.3.0 snapshots if you are |
| 07:17.04 | ScaredyCat | I compiled it from the bb files in the 4.3.0 opensource release |
| 07:17.39 | ScaredyCat | qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.0-preview.tar.gz |
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| 07:20.04 | ScaredyCat | is that bad ljp? |
| 07:20.23 | ScaredyCat | .. for once I read a Readme :P |
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| 07:20.52 | ljp | not bad at all :) |
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| 07:21.31 | ljp | I will add a snapshot build .bb |
| 07:21.57 | ScaredyCat | I did find a bug though... |
| 07:22.28 | ScaredyCat | if you copy contacts from the sim to the phone, it says it failed, but actually does it |
| 07:23.07 | ScaredyCat | but like I say, I'm pretty pleased that it required pretty much zero effort to build :) |
| 07:23.34 | ljp | thats good to hear (about the zero effort to build) |
| 07:24.18 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 07:24.23 | CM | ljp: Means you have done a good work I guess |
| 07:24.32 | ScaredyCat | and that fix for the ts.conf needs to be applied too |
| 07:24.43 | ljp | oh ya thats right |
| 07:26.35 | berkus | oh nice #qtopia is taking over :) |
| 07:26.57 | berkus | i'll repeat this until i get banned but: any news on the shipments? |
| 07:28.00 | CM | berkus: I haven't heard a word in here yet |
| 07:29.35 | berkus | sad :( |
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| 07:32.53 | CathodioN | hey all |
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| 07:37.38 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: does that .tar.gz use the MokoMakefile? |
| 07:37.57 | ScaredyCat | it has a makefile based on it... |
| 07:37.58 | robtaylor | mickey|zzZZzz: Cool! I'm in Madrid at the moment, so connectivity's limited, but I'll be around for chatting more tomorrow afternoon |
| 07:38.13 | ScaredyCat | but that's not what I used... I used the .bb fiels and bitbaked it... |
| 07:38.15 | Knirch | berkus: they are supposed to get the shipment today, that's the last i've heard about it, I'm still waiting for mine :P |
| 07:38.34 | ScaredyCat | you could take their changes and add to mokomakefile ;) |
| 07:39.23 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: that's what I intend doing. |
| 07:39.29 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 07:39.47 | ScaredyCat | I guess it'd be fairly simple , especially for you :) |
| 07:40.35 | rwhitby | Now I know you're just looking for a GTA02 P0 vote. |
| 07:42.04 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 07:43.42 | CM | Hehe |
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| 07:53.22 | ScaredyCat | ljp: need to add the timezones package to the build |
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| 08:00.26 | RalphEichelberge | guten morgen |
| 08:00.48 | RalphEichelberge | lets see |
| 08:01.42 | RalphEichelberge | how about the "phonybility" of our GA02v4 neo1973? - |
| 08:02.19 | RalphEichelberge | someone allready can hear anything/can be heart on the other side? |
| 08:03.12 | ScaredyCat | it does work ... but its not 100% reliable... |
| 08:03.18 | RalphEichelberge | trolltechs people did it allready - but i dont feel like a troll |
| 08:04.03 | RalphEichelberge | did you had a phonecall? |
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| 08:04.56 | RalphEichelberge | are there updates for gsmd? or what is related to it? |
| 08:05.35 | ScaredyCat | I've had calls for a while.... |
| 08:05.40 | RalphEichelberge | can i get ipgkes or have i do a complete image (i did my last build aon 18th) |
| 08:05.42 | ScaredyCat | there have been some updates... |
| 08:06.23 | ScaredyCat | things got a bit worse... |
| 08:06.31 | RalphEichelberge | oh no! |
| 08:06.34 | RalphEichelberge | why? |
| 08:07.03 | ScaredyCat | good images seem to be pre sept 04th ... although more recent ones are getting better. there are some fixes |
| 08:07.27 | CM | Yeah, the last two week have been bad |
| 08:07.40 | ScaredyCat | I guess there's work going on with gsmd... it keeps crashing, doesn't start properly etc |
| 08:07.49 | RalphEichelberge | well thats the time i started with this :) |
| 08:08.06 | RalphEichelberge | so it just can get better, right? |
| 08:08.18 | CM | For sure |
| 08:08.55 | RalphEichelberge | CM and ScaredyCat - are you core developers - or why are you allways on IRC? |
| 08:09.01 | emdete | did someone try the patchset from the mailing list? |
| 08:09.02 | CM | Hehe |
| 08:09.03 | ScaredyCat | we have no life |
| 08:09.08 | RalphEichelberge | i c |
| 08:09.09 | CM | Exactly |
| 08:09.10 | RalphEichelberge | :) |
| 08:09.26 | RalphEichelberge | we have no wife? |
| 08:09.31 | RalphEichelberge | just kidding |
| 08:09.36 | ScaredyCat | no, we have one of those... |
| 08:09.43 | CM | I do have a gf.. |
| 08:09.58 | RalphEichelberge | well - what do they say about OM? |
| 08:10.00 | CM | ..but she's living on the other side of sweden. :P |
| 08:10.01 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] |
| 08:10.20 | ScaredyCat | my wife doesn't care about OM... |
| 08:10.33 | ScaredyCat | but she quite fancies the case it came in |
| 08:10.36 | RalphEichelberge | CM: so she says:"please call me with a ordinary phone!" |
| 08:10.38 | ScaredyCat | to use for he camera |
| 08:11.02 | emdete | ScaredyCat: the debug-box? |
| 08:11.05 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Hehe.. Yes. "I tried to call today too but your phone is broken!" |
| 08:11.11 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 08:11.25 | CM | I'll move there soon though :) |
| 08:11.46 | emdete | so how about the gsmd patches... did someone try? |
| 08:12.04 | CM | Not that I know of |
| 08:12.17 | RalphEichelberge | can I "just" update the gsmd? |
| 08:12.25 | RalphEichelberge | with MokoMake? |
| 08:12.42 | emdete | what would be the easiest way to try those with bitbake? change the .bb or is there a better way? |
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| 08:13.04 | CM | emdete: I'm guessing so, but I'm not that familiar with bitbake |
| 08:13.18 | CM | Don't you have to use quilt for that? |
| 08:13.57 | emdete | CM: me too - that's the cause i did not try those patches .... hm |
| 08:14.02 | Ralph | CM: you didn't make update, did you? |
| 08:15.07 | Ralph | something else: who knows how to read the SIM-Data to find out which provider's SIM is plugged? |
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| 08:38.03 | gordonsyme | gah, segfault when running `nand createbbt` in uboot on qemu |
| 08:38.09 | gordonsyme | :/ |
| 08:38.34 | ScaredyCat | so don;t do it ;) |
| 08:38.36 | Ralph | something else: who knows how to read the SIM-Data to find out which provider's SIM is plugged? |
| 08:38.40 | emdete | how does the time work on the neo? is it lost when its switched off? there is a hwclock on the device which can read a hardware clock but often the clock shows date 1/1/2000 |
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| 08:38.53 | ScaredyCat | comment it out - seemed to fix it for others gordonsyme |
| 08:39.08 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: cool, will give it a go |
| 08:39.21 | ScaredyCat | emdete: iirc you need to set it... |
| 08:39.35 | gordonsyme | Ran qemu in a debugger for a bit, there's a lot of code in there and I don't have time to work through it so workarounds are good :) |
| 08:39.38 | ScaredyCat | I don;t think any of the images do it at shutdown |
| 08:40.42 | gordonsyme | thanks ScaredyCat, that worked |
| 08:40.50 | gordonsyme | now I get to try QTopia :) |
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| 08:44.19 | Ralph | dont let youself baffle with their beautiful appearence, gordonsyme ;) |
| 08:45.08 | Ralph | someday M$ will buy tolltreck .... |
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| 08:47.11 | emdete | Ralph: why do you think so? |
| 08:47.21 | Ralph | just a feeling |
| 08:47.24 | Ralph | i dont konw |
| 08:49.42 | Ralph | but M$ can never buy the openmoko project, can they? |
| 08:51.01 | emdete | Ralph: oh, they propably just steal it... ;) |
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| 08:51.40 | Ralph | that would be a good sign, that we did a good job ;) |
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| 08:56.49 | zefanja | in 5 min mickey will talk about openmoko on OpenExpo |
| 08:56.53 | zefanja | livestream: http://stream.masterssystems.com:8000/openexpo.ogg |
| 08:57.08 | EdSchouten | too bad i have this sucky desktop with antique software |
| 08:57.10 | EdSchouten | and no speakers :( |
| 08:57.13 | EdSchouten | can't watch :( |
| 08:59.56 | Ralph | i can see it, but no sound |
| 09:00.20 | zefanja | Ralph: the sound will come :) |
| 09:00.30 | Ralph | ok |
| 09:00.44 | zefanja | Ralph: I have sound :) |
| 09:00.57 | XorA | pity I have a top of the range desktop I made mistake of using debian testing on :-) |
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| 09:03.37 | denis^da | hmpf sound is lagging around :> |
| 09:06.10 | Fradeve | but.... it's deutch!!! doh!! |
| 09:06.32 | Ralph | deutsch |
| 09:06.35 | Ralph | ;) |
| 09:06.41 | raster | ja |
| 09:06.44 | XorA | wow the video just arrive |
| 09:06.45 | XorA | d |
| 09:07.08 | Fradeve | yeah :D But the pity is that I know 3 languages but not deutsch :-/ |
| 09:07.24 | raster | merde! |
| 09:07.30 | raster | kuso! |
| 09:07.47 | guaqua | de gua qso? |
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| 09:08.56 | ljp | need a babel fish |
| 09:09.20 | raster | scheisse |
| 09:09.41 | hhf423_w | so is he telling anything new? |
| 09:09.57 | denis^da | not really ;) |
| 09:09.58 | guaqua | for that you only need to check out amateur radio abbreviations :) |
| 09:10.12 | Fradeve | be friendly: if he annuonce the date of release of GTA02 could you write here? :D |
| 09:11.51 | XorA | he is talking about GTA02 now |
| 09:12.38 | Xx13 | where's the video? |
| 09:12.51 | Fradeve | XorA: I know, but not understanding the deutsch, I must see only the images on the screen and capture the rarely words in english :D |
| 09:13.09 | XorA | Fradeve: I dont speak Deutsch either |
| 09:13.14 | Ralph | well if I could hear anything I could translate |
| 09:13.16 | Ralph | but ... |
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| 09:13.41 | denis^da | just restart the stream |
| 09:13.49 | Ralph | this ogg player of my firefox... |
| 09:13.53 | Fradeve | Ralph: my interest is only the official date of release of GTA02, if there will any ;) |
| 09:13.54 | denis^da | and the sound is getting back to you ;) |
| 09:14.05 | denis^da | in december he said |
| 09:14.09 | Fradeve | Ralph: with kaffeine the ogg rocks :D |
| 09:14.36 | Fradeve | denis^da: december when? More or less? 20? |
| 09:14.38 | Ralph | ill try fradeve |
| 09:15.26 | XorA | now his Neo killed the audio :-) |
| 09:15.27 | denis^da | He said december nothing more |
| 09:15.45 | Fradeve | denis^da: ooook |
| 09:16.09 | denis^da | :) |
| 09:16.34 | Ralph | perfect, is working :) |
| 09:16.51 | Fradeve | the video or the Neo? :D |
| 09:17.12 | emdete | Fradeve: the neo - what else? ;) |
| 09:17.21 | Fradeve | emdete: ahahaah |
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| 09:18.21 | Ralph | omoko working on palm |
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| 09:18.58 | Ralph | questions now |
| 09:19.19 | Fradeve | siiit down! |
| 09:20.23 | Ralph | no umts |
| 09:20.43 | Ralph | chips are too expensive |
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| 09:30.19 | Fradeve | so, now wo doesn't understand deutsch wants a summary of what he said :D |
| 09:30.39 | Ralph | you talkin gto me? |
| 09:31.03 | Fradeve | anyone :D |
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| 09:31.53 | Pelalil | I'm trying openmoko with qemu, I followed "Using_QEMU_with_MokoMakefile" from the wiki. How fast is it supost to be, cos its taking ages to boot |
| 09:31.56 | Ralph | last i know, he talked about briking your device |
| 09:32.15 | Ralph | and how you can use the debug board |
| 09:32.56 | inz | How come you know what German is in German, but don't know the language ;) |
| 09:33.10 | Fradeve | mmm some informations --- the release date is at December |
| 09:33.18 | Ralph | also someone asked about detailed plans, ... about the hardware |
| 09:33.25 | Fradeve | it will cost 450$ for the basic edition |
| 09:33.31 | Fradeve | yeah? |
| 09:33.41 | Ralph | and that FIC is not willing to give everything away |
| 09:34.16 | Ralph | 450$ is too much for consumer i guess |
| 09:34.34 | Fradeve | but he called of a less price? |
| 09:34.56 | XorA | street price for a HTC-Wizard in the Uk is 450 GBP |
| 09:35.09 | XorA | so 450$ doesnt seem so much |
| 09:35.10 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 09:35.28 | Fradeve | XorA: but 450 GPB are more of 450€, or not? |
| 09:35.28 | ScaredyCat | 450 isn't that much... if it works |
| 09:35.50 | zash` | UK£ 450 = 897.34500 US$ |
| 09:35.57 | ScaredyCat | ouch! |
| 09:36.14 | ScaredyCat | 450$ is 36pence ;) |
| 09:36.29 | Fradeve | lol |
| 09:36.53 | ScaredyCat | if it's $ price thenit's acutlly 225 gbp |
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| 09:36.55 | Ralph | you are on the stream still, guys? |
| 09:36.58 | Fradeve | so, someone has asked him if the GTA02 will be functional? |
| 09:36.59 | ScaredyCat | which is much better |
| 09:37.45 | ScaredyCat | what does he mean by "FIC is not willing to give everything away" |
| 09:37.55 | Ralph | someone asked, if neo will be sold by a mobile-shop like vondafon has |
| 09:37.57 | ScaredyCat | in terms of $$$ or in terms of access to hardware |
| 09:38.05 | ScaredyCat | ahh k |
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| 09:38.40 | ScaredyCat | i think th neo will still be pretty 'specialist' even for the mass market release |
| 09:38.45 | Ralph | well they asked for hardware plans like curcits and so on |
| 09:39.18 | ScaredyCat | ok, but the hardware isn't open source |
| 09:39.49 | Ralph | yes - it is somehow open hardware - to an extent |
| 09:40.32 | Ralph | is the anything else related to OM on that live stream no? |
| 09:40.36 | Ralph | now* |
| 09:41.18 | ScaredyCat | well, I don't think it's fair to expect them to give away hardware plans.. we're really more insteredted in being able to use the hardware and *all* its components (gsm, gps etc) with opensource software... |
| 09:41.23 | ScaredyCat | IMHO |
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| 09:41.50 | Ralph | well i quit the stream now |
| 09:42.00 | Ralph | its about gnome only now |
| 09:42.01 | ScaredyCat | but you were the translator! |
| 09:42.16 | Ralph | not anymore |
| 09:42.18 | Ralph | :) |
| 09:42.21 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 09:44.05 | Fradeve11 | so, the GTA02 will be functional at December? :D |
| 09:44.53 | Ralph | if you do the bugfixes, maybe.... ;) |
| 09:45.38 | zefanja | mickeyl: did you adjust the dpi settings in xserver script for the Palm TX? |
| 09:46.07 | Ralph | using qtopia, it even automatically did callback allready |
| 09:46.47 | Ralph | but i want moko to do so |
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| 09:50.21 | ScaredyCat | callback? |
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| 10:10.21 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Disassembling_Neo1973]] |
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| 10:37.46 | Ghiottone|work | hi all. what news? |
| 10:39.32 | SpeedEvil | There is a meteorite that's going to wipe out all life on the earth in 45 minutes. |
| 10:39.43 | SpeedEvil | And no, GTA02 won't be released first. |
| 10:39.57 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 10:40.02 | SpeedEvil | Basically little. |
| 10:43.08 | Ghiottone|work | speedevil: ehehe |
| 10:43.39 | Ghiottone|work | speedevil: there was a meteorite mistery story in peru the past days |
| 10:43.44 | wibbit | SpeedEvil: Funny enough, I was actually think about that the other day. |
| 10:44.10 | wibbit | SpeedEvil: Would I want to know that some thing like this was going to wipe life out before it happened, in the hope of doing some thing I'd never done before. |
| 10:44.39 | Fradeve11 | wibbit: this is a common idea :D |
| 10:44.40 | wibbit | SpeedEvil: Or would I rather not know, and as such, not spend the laft 45 minutes of life realising just how much contents my stomach could hold |
| 10:44.50 | wibbit | Fradeve11: I know |
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| 10:55.24 | El_Salvador[2] | ufficial news on gta02? |
| 10:55.32 | wibbit | ? |
| 10:55.35 | El_Salvador[2] | *official |
| 10:56.01 | wibbit | where? |
| 10:59.35 | ScaredyCat | from what I heard mickeyl said in his talk - December... |
| 10:59.52 | ScaredyCat | he didn't state the year though ;) |
| 11:00.35 | Jiten | I wonder if a developer version will be out before that :) |
| 11:01.35 | El_Salvador[2] | XD |
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| 11:02.36 | Jiten | I mean, I primarily want it because it's the best PDA for my needs I have seen yet. |
| 11:02.52 | Jiten | that it's also a phone is just a bonus. |
| 11:04.08 | zash` | it would be nice if they began selling the final hardware.. |
| 11:04.44 | SpeedEvil | Jiten: zash`: there is going to be a release to prequalified developers. |
| 11:04.51 | ScaredyCat | I don't think it's ready yet zash` |
| 11:05.05 | SpeedEvil | This needs a month of testing by those devs |
| 11:05.13 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl: was saying that it only booted with debug board attached atm |
| 11:05.14 | SpeedEvil | or so. and then mass production |
| 11:05.52 | Jiten | SpeedEvil: so, no developer version for sale before the mass market version? |
| 11:06.09 | SpeedEvil | Jiten: yes - there will be - in effect |
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| 11:06.26 | tho1 | has anyone used the automatic usb networking under Fedora? |
| 11:06.27 | aloril | tho1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 11:06.29 | SpeedEvil | But only because the software may not be ready by the time GTA02 goes on sale |
| 11:06.47 | tho1 | huh |
| 11:06.59 | aloril | tho1: yes, works ok here |
| 11:07.05 | Jiten | so, december is the date for going to sale? |
| 11:07.14 | thos | aloril: you did just as it says on the wiki? |
| 11:07.19 | Jiten | umm.. "date" |
| 11:07.19 | thos | aloril: it doesn't seem to work for me |
| 11:07.22 | aloril | ( mean this command: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 ) |
| 11:07.45 | SpeedEvil | Jiten: probably - it's not certain. |
| 11:08.06 | SpeedEvil | Jiten: that's about the minimal timescale a non-completely-rushed version of the hardware could be out if it all works right. |
| 11:08.12 | thos | aloril: so you didn't have automatic configuration working? |
| 11:08.40 | aloril | ah, something completely automatic, yeah, not looked at that |
| 11:08.50 | Jiten | that's about 3 months from now. Will it really take that long to get GTA02 ready for mass production? |
| 11:08.55 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 11:09.02 | SpeedEvil | there are several stages to go through |
| 11:09.32 | SpeedEvil | See the timeline on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 |
| 11:10.51 | wibbit | Jiten: I would have thought there were some fully developed PDA's already out there that would suit your needs (though I have faith that the OpenMoko platform with eventually exceed them) |
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| 11:12.23 | Jiten | wibbit: well, some of the existing ones might but I want linux on the thing. :) |
| 11:13.01 | Jiten | I practically just skipped the devices that came with Windows |
| 11:13.40 | wibbit | Jiten: There are quite a few linux capable pda's out there as well :) |
| 11:13.51 | Jiten | it might run on some of them but ... I was too lazy to search |
| 11:13.56 | wibbit | Jiten: sorry, don't meen to be argumentetive... |
| 11:14.36 | Jiten | wibbit: besides Nokia N800 and 770 I'm not aware of any :) are you? |
| 11:15.53 | wibbit | A large number of the sharp pda's |
| 11:16.04 | wibbit | and most of the Ipaq's can have linux retrofitted |
| 11:16.16 | Jiten | N800 has the big flaw that it doesn't have GPS. I'd need a separate device for that and a phone too. |
| 11:16.41 | wibbit | Personally, as far as the Neo1973 is concerned, my primary concern is an open phone, that is not locked controlled by a carrier/mobile manufacturer |
| 11:16.52 | Jiten | some of the shaprs and ipaqs looked, spec-wise, like they could do what I want. |
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| 11:45.50 | _buz | nice little device |
| 11:46.01 | buz | looks better in real life than on pics |
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| 11:47.27 | Marcel_M | hi ! we just set up "celpaste" with is a pastebin site for moko-people , please feel free to use it for your paste's : http://celpaste.morb-design.com/ |
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| 12:10.21 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Moscow]] [[Development_resources]] [[Qtopia_on_Neo_1973]] [[User:Fradeve11]] [[Main_Page/it]] [[External_Feeds/it]] [[SWAG/it]] |
| 12:12.27 | ScaredyCat | celpaste... |
| 12:12.50 | ScaredyCat | i don't mean to be picky... but |
| 12:13.17 | ScaredyCat | shouldn't it be cellpaste ( assuming you are targeting USA people) |
| 12:15.55 | Marcel_M | ist from marCEL |
| 12:15.55 | Marcel_M | like CELtune (nick) |
| 12:16.19 | ScaredyCat | oh... ok.. |
| 12:16.32 | ScaredyCat | I'll stfu then ;) |
| 12:16.43 | cjb_ie | Marcel_M: might be no harm to add a vhost and redirect just for those people who spell it wrong |
| 12:17.12 | ScaredyCat | eheheh |
| 12:17.51 | Marcel_M | cjb_ie: thanks i'll do that |
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| 12:21.07 | Marcel_M | ScaredyCat: please not ;) |
| 12:26.34 | Marcel_M | so it should be accessible over cellpaste.morb-design.com as well ;) |
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| 12:34.17 | emdete | hm, gsmd's comment says: "GSM libraries and daemons implementing the 07.10 specification" - as i understand gsmd implements gsm0707.... was that understanding wrong? |
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| 12:43.46 | Ghiottone|work | Marcel_M: it does not seem to work... |
| 12:44.02 | Ghiottone|work | Marcel_M: I get a directory listing instead of the website |
| 12:45.03 | CM | Works here |
| 12:48.01 | Marcel_M | we just tested the config |
| 12:48.21 | Marcel_M | it should work now from both url's |
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| 12:49.51 | Marcel_M | Ghiottone|work: does it work for you ? |
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| 12:53.14 | torpor | anyone got the URL handy for the 'latest' buildhost images? |
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| 12:53.30 | torpor | i wanna sync my work against the known-latest public image. is buildhost providing such things? |
| 12:53.38 | CM | I think so |
| 12:53.51 | CM | But they've been bad for the last two weeks, at least for me |
| 12:53.59 | torpor | oh |
| 12:54.01 | torpor | thats bad |
| 12:54.29 | CM | Shaped up a bit these last few days, but before that I could barely get the gui up |
| 12:54.40 | CM | So try the latest ones :) |
| 12:55.20 | CM | torpor: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/?C=M;O=A |
| 12:55.28 | CM | Nothing happened in the last 3 days anyway |
| 12:56.28 | torpor | CM: thanks |
| 12:56.42 | torpor | i just want a 'working' public image i can test my ipk's against, as well as my own local image. |
| 12:56.50 | torpor | i don't care if its not all working, i just need a testbase. |
| 12:57.10 | torpor | tell you what though: it'd be *very* nice if there were more public releases being 'officially' blabbed about by the core team. |
| 12:57.23 | CM | Yes, definitely |
| 12:57.31 | emdete | torpor: what packages are you testing? |
| 12:57.33 | CM | Been a lot of discussions about that in here |
| 12:57.34 | Ghiottone|work | Marcel_M: yes now it's working |
| 12:58.44 | torpor | emdete: my own newly-minted openmoko only apps. |
| 12:59.05 | emdete | torpor: what is 'openmoko only'? |
| 12:59.22 | SpeedEvil | It checks for a working dialer first. |
| 12:59.23 | CM | Harald has been very quite lately, wonder what he's up to |
| 12:59.35 | torpor | i figure i may as well just write some apps only for the openmoko. i'm not porting in other words, but using the enviornment to write a few new things .. |
| 12:59.47 | torpor | got a 2D game i'll try to release as soon as i'm done testing .. |
| 12:59.47 | SpeedEvil | Though the GSMd changes look promising |
| 13:00.02 | torpor | maybe a couple things i might put up on a feed, sooner or later. i think its awesome that i can do that, btw. |
| 13:00.09 | Marcel_M | Ghiottone|work: cool |
| 13:00.15 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:00.19 | emdete | SpeedEvil: ...changes? the patches? |
| 13:00.36 | emdete | torpor: he, what kind of game? |
| 13:00.54 | torpor | emdete: 2d puzzle. i'll tell you more about it in a day orso. ;) |
| 13:00.58 | SpeedEvil | emdete: yes |
| 13:01.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3018 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog doc/reference/libmokoui2-docs.sgml): * doc/reference/libmokoui2-docs.sgml: Add title and section name |
| 13:01.13 | emdete | torpor: (my girlfriend always asks ;) |
| 13:01.27 | thos | check it out folks, doc book support in libmokoui |
| 13:01.39 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:01.40 | emdete | SpeedEvil: how did you include those? |
| 13:01.58 | SpeedEvil | emdete: I diddn't - I just mean the reported results on the ML. |
| 13:02.07 | SpeedEvil | I have nothing to do with it. |
| 13:02.32 | SpeedEvil | I just want a nice ebook reader. |
| 13:02.54 | emdete | SpeedEvil: :( yes, i read those also. but they are not included already and i'm not that familar with bb |
| 13:03.16 | emdete | SpeedEvil: thought you could help out... :D |
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| 13:04.55 | torpor | emdete: your gf asks you for games on the openmoko? cool .. ;) |
| 13:05.24 | emdete | torpor: shure - she saw the scummvm and said she wants one |
| 13:05.40 | emdete | torpor: battery live will kill gaming-fun... :/ |
| 13:05.44 | torpor | ah i haven't gotten scummvm working on mine yet .. is there an easy .ipk setup for it yet? |
| 13:05.55 | emdete | torpor: shure. but: no X |
| 13:05.58 | torpor | i have the game files, i think.. but scummvm doesn't seem to like them sometimes. |
| 13:06.06 | emdete | torpor: oh, sorry, no, it uses X... |
| 13:06.20 | torpor | no .shortcut file, to start it up or what? |
| 13:06.31 | torpor | i.e. no openmoko ipk buildstep |
| 13:06.38 | emdete | torpor: yes there are some files that are not supported... no i started scummvm from console |
| 13:06.38 | zash` | is there a SD-microSD adapter included in with the neo? |
| 13:06.43 | mjr | zash`, yes |
| 13:06.44 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:06.47 | zash` | nice |
| 13:06.52 | ScaredyCat | torpor: it's in my repo |
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| 13:07.00 | torpor | ScaredyCat: your repo? |
| 13:07.05 | ScaredyCat | ys |
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| 13:07.08 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 13:07.23 | emdete | does someone know why fic decided to not allow to remove the sd without removing battery _and_ sim? |
| 13:07.31 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/ |
| 13:07.34 | torpor | emdete: design |
| 13:08.06 | ScaredyCat | copy the scaredycat.conf to /etc/ipkg/ on your phone, do an ipkg update and then ipkg install scummvm |
| 13:08.09 | SpeedEvil | emdete: packing issues |
| 13:08.16 | torpor | ScaredyCat: nice. |
| 13:08.21 | SpeedEvil | emdete: it would be nice. |
| 13:08.24 | SpeedEvil | but, ... |
| 13:08.45 | ScaredyCat | isn't it a dual reader thingy? |
| 13:08.48 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
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| 13:09.15 | emdete | SpeedEvil: there is about 1cm^2 free space (air) left in the neo.... :D |
| 13:09.16 | torpor | ScaredyCat: i like it. |
| 13:09.28 | emdete | dual-reader? |
| 13:09.30 | SpeedEvil | emdete: it's _much_ more than that. |
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| 13:09.31 | torpor | i will try to add a bb to set up the proper shortcut for scummvm .. |
| 13:09.40 | SpeedEvil | emdete: I think around 5-8v |
| 13:09.42 | SpeedEvil | cc |
| 13:09.46 | ScaredyCat | there is one torpor... |
| 13:09.47 | torpor | anyone got a gameset that i could use to test with, which are known-working? |
| 13:09.55 | SpeedEvil | More if you count small voids |
| 13:10.07 | ScaredyCat | install the ipk from my repo and it'll put it in games |
| 13:10.24 | ScaredyCat | with an icon |
| 13:10.34 | ScaredyCat | plus it automagically rotates the screen |
| 13:10.51 | emdete | ...and dont foret a ipkg with the usual gamefiles... :D |
| 13:12.13 | ScaredyCat | you can get free games from the scummvm site... |
| 13:12.20 | emdete | is someone also interested in porting om to the greenphone? |
| 13:12.34 | raster | technically thats "illegal" |
| 13:12.39 | raster | as best i know |
| 13:12.40 | andylockran | yeah... |
| 13:12.53 | andylockran | does the greenphone have open hardware >? |
| 13:12.54 | emdete | raster: shure.. was just a joke |
| 13:12.58 | raster | runing anyting BUT trolls os+qtopia is violating the eula/license |
| 13:12.59 | raster | :) |
| 13:13.05 | emdete | andylockran: not more closed than the neo |
| 13:13.15 | emdete | raster: no |
| 13:13.17 | mjr | there are some scumm games freely distributable these days... Beneath a Steel Sky, Flight of the Amazon Queen |
| 13:13.20 | andylockran | emdete: oh, I apologise. |
| 13:13.23 | emdete | raster: that was changed recently |
| 13:13.26 | raster | oooh |
| 13:13.29 | raster | thats changed eh? |
| 13:13.31 | raster | ok |
| 13:13.33 | raster | my bad |
| 13:13.49 | emdete | andylockran: you are bound to kernel 2.4 because there is a closed source driver needed. |
| 13:14.03 | raster | then its definitely less open than the neo |
| 13:14.26 | raster | well the gta-02 |
| 13:14.29 | emdete | would be funny to have om on it where qtopia tries to work on the neo |
| 13:14.58 | SpeedEvil | OM-iphone would be funner :) |
| 13:15.07 | emdete | SpeedEvil: agree!! :D |
| 13:15.36 | emdete | someone working on that already? |
| 13:15.48 | raster | i doubt it |
| 13:16.11 | raster | all the iphone owners are so in love with apple they wouldnt dream of violating their iphones :) |
| 13:17.20 | emdete | raster: oh, i thought they all love steve |
| 13:17.29 | mjr | and unca Steve has just dedicated himself to fighting off the evil ones that hack the phone |
| 13:17.30 | raster | that too |
| 13:17.31 | raster | :) |
| 13:17.52 | emdete | mjr: does he? |
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| 13:17.57 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 13:17.58 | SpeedEvil | See /. |
| 13:18.03 | raster | his holiness, the steve |
| 13:18.07 | SpeedEvil | Though actually |
| 13:18.18 | SpeedEvil | they seemed to be more talking about the unlocking |
| 13:18.27 | SpeedEvil | which IMO is a totally different matter. |
| 13:18.35 | SpeedEvil | unlocking from the network |
| 13:18.41 | XorA | we should post Unlocking Software for the neo and see how many people fall for it |
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| 13:19.11 | mjr | yeah, it was the unlocking that was most at issue I believe |
| 13:19.13 | SpeedEvil | I see nothing wrong with subsidised phones personally. |
| 13:20.12 | emdete | SpeedEvil: do you have a link? |
| 13:20.24 | SpeedEvil | to? |
| 13:20.42 | emdete | steve fighting unlockers |
| 13:21.10 | SpeedEvil | http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/19/1651258 |
| 13:22.38 | ScaredyCat | the iphone isn't subsidised though |
| 13:22.46 | SpeedEvil | Isn't it? |
| 13:22.50 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 13:22.50 | SpeedEvil | How do you know? |
| 13:23.15 | ScaredyCat | I designed it |
| 13:23.17 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 13:23.23 | SpeedEvil | O2 - UK - reportedly gives 40% of the revenue - not profit - from the O2 contract back to apple |
| 13:23.26 | XorA | it only costs about 80$ to build one |
| 13:23.34 | SpeedEvil | cost != price |
| 13:23.42 | mjr | at least they claim that apple is forcing it to be sold for full price |
| 13:24.35 | ScaredyCat | seriously... if they were subsidised they wouldn't be that price, |
| 13:24.53 | raster | hmmm |
| 13:24.56 | raster | i wonder |
| 13:24.58 | SpeedEvil | The price may not reflect the subsidy |
| 13:25.01 | raster | ignoring software development costs |
| 13:25.05 | mjr | and that revenue slice is just Apple milking for more dough since, well, they cna |
| 13:25.15 | raster | the iphone is not dissimilar to the gta-02 |
| 13:25.23 | raster | give or take |
| 13:25.26 | raster | as best i know |
| 13:25.35 | ScaredyCat | the iphone contracts is like the 3g network thing... |
| 13:25.40 | raster | other than lots more flash |
| 13:25.49 | SpeedEvil | if - for example iphone is mandating $100 more from the network providers than it sells to the end user for. |
| 13:25.49 | ScaredyCat | carriers clearly have bugger all clue |
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| 13:28.26 | ScaredyCat | my neo with qtopia has been on for 4 hours so far... |
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| 13:28.43 | ScaredyCat | still 4 blobs on the battery |
| 13:29.09 | SpeedEvil | blobs? |
| 13:29.36 | ScaredyCat | pixmap of battery |
| 13:29.51 | ScaredyCat | it's made up of 5 sections (blobs) |
| 13:29.51 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 13:29.53 | raster | bah |
| 13:30.06 | raster | i really dont like the segmented battery thing |
| 13:30.15 | SpeedEvil | 50% is 0 - basically |
| 13:30.16 | raster | its artificially making it coarse |
| 13:30.29 | SpeedEvil | the last 2 segments will go _really_ fast |
| 13:30.37 | ScaredyCat | it's better than not having anything |
| 13:30.42 | SpeedEvil | I've got a proto-patch that does better battery reporting. |
| 13:32.57 | ScaredyCat | http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1285054,00.html |
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| 13:36.03 | hhf423_w | nice ak47 |
| 13:36.17 | DukeOfURL | should ban all 14yo |
| 13:36.40 | ScaredyCat | should make them go up chimneys |
| 13:37.29 | raster | work in the salt mines |
| 13:37.36 | Fradeve | stupid question: OM has at now an IRC client? |
| 13:37.41 | buz | like you can tell if a gun is real on crappy cctv |
| 13:38.08 | DukeOfURL | The bumper sticker on my car reads "Insured by Smith&Wesson". Everyone needs a weapon. |
| 13:38.08 | Moriarty_ | DukeOfURL: I've already proposed shipping all persons 12-14 years of age to co-op farms in the midwest. |
| 13:38.11 | XorA | buz: dont you know they all have a lable saying "Real Gun" |
| 13:38.23 | Moriarty_ | DukeOfURL: And I'm totally serious about it. |
| 13:38.38 | buz | technically fake guns are supposed to come with orange colored parts |
| 13:38.43 | Moriarty_ | put them on a rotating schedule of two week long vacations. |
| 13:38.47 | DukeOfURL | Moriarty_: to replace our illegal immigrants that we're gonna kick out? |
| 13:38.58 | Moriarty_ | no, to give them something useful to do. |
| 13:39.37 | Moriarty_ | 12-14 year olds are not cute enough for their parents to show off, and too young to contribute to the family economically. |
| 13:40.10 | Moriarty_ | hence, the parents mostly ignore their need for status affirmation. |
| 13:40.18 | Moriarty_ | thus, the popularity contest. |
| 13:40.32 | DukeOfURL | It's a difficult age |
| 13:40.33 | Moriarty_ | an arbitrary, malicious form of status seeking. |
| 13:40.46 | buz | may not necessarily be malicious |
| 13:40.52 | buz | we should harvest them as code monkeys ;9 |
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| 13:41.36 | Moriarty_ | hence, we give them something useful to do, and I'd imagine most of the more malicious elements go away. |
| 13:41.45 | Fradeve | OM at now has an IRC client? |
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| 13:42.00 | Moriarty_ | and the parents will appreciate them more. |
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| 13:42.23 | Moriarty_ | absence makes the heart grow fonder, and when you only get to see your child 8 weeks out of the year, I think you'll appreciate them more. |
| 13:42.50 | DukeOfURL | I think the Brits got it right--boarding schools. |
| 13:43.06 | buz | i doubt it. most of the more malicious ones are in an age where they could do legitimate work if only they cared for it |
| 13:43.32 | Moriarty_ | well, on a co-op you have a reason to care. |
| 13:43.37 | Moriarty_ | no workie? No food! |
| 13:43.52 | buz | so steal the food from the hard working ones |
| 13:44.01 | DukeOfURL | so what is it about the Asian cultures that the children have such a strong work ethic? |
| 13:44.12 | Moriarty_ | DukeOfURL: parental obsession. |
| 13:44.13 | buz | if anything you want the children be mixed with adults like in earlier centuries |
| 13:44.19 | buz | not seggregate them even more |
| 13:44.42 | Moriarty_ | not a problem. Give them that. On the farm. :) |
| 13:45.05 | buz | so you have a bunch rednecks watching after kids?? |
| 13:45.05 | DukeOfURL | Here in the states, if you try withholding food from your kid you'll wind up in court. |
| 13:45.15 | buz | DukeOfURL: rightfully so |
| 13:45.31 | DukeOfURL | no, I mean btween meal food. |
| 13:45.34 | SpeedEvil | The reality show with preteens is interesting. |
| 13:45.50 | SpeedEvil | The reason they diddn't do it with teens is obvious though. |
| 13:46.34 | SpeedEvil | Kid nation. |
| 13:46.54 | Moriarty_ | I should watch that. When's it on? |
| 13:46.58 | DukeOfURL | Don't watch broadcast TV... |
| 13:47.03 | DukeOfURL | pap |
| 13:47.20 | SpeedEvil | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7002065.stm |
| 13:48.31 | Moriarty_ | hmm. should be interesting to see if they create a functioning society. |
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| 13:48.44 | Moriarty_ | or if it turns into the Stanford Prison Experiment. |
| 13:49.32 | DukeOfURL | I think I read where a parent sued CBS for child abuse (Kid Nation) |
| 13:49.44 | buz | stanford prison experiment started out with two classes of people |
| 13:50.00 | XorA | beginning to sound like Lord of the Flies around here |
| 13:50.07 | buz | survivor generally didnt degrade into something like that though |
| 13:50.11 | emdete | that says Moriarty, archenemy of sherlock holmes.... |
| 13:50.16 | emdete | :D |
| 13:50.56 | buz | i would expect, from a purely evolutionary point of view, that the average case will not turn into lord of the flies |
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| 13:51.13 | Moriarty_ | I would think so. |
| 13:51.30 | Moriarty_ | but it's not unknown for reality producers to skew their populations for increased drama. |
| 13:52.06 | buz | i can't watch reality shows |
| 13:52.11 | buz | they are just so bloody inane |
| 13:52.32 | Moriarty_ | the only one I watched was Unanimous, mainly because it was cool from a game-theory standpoint. |
| 13:52.34 | DukeOfURL | Aye |
| 13:52.47 | buz | (still preferable to utter crap like ugly betty i guess) |
| 13:53.00 | ScaredyCat | I'd rather eat my own testicles |
| 13:53.24 | DukeOfURL | Do you have Sopranos in the UK yet? It's worth watching. |
| 13:53.35 | ScaredyCat | probably on sky |
| 13:53.40 | ScaredyCat | pay tv... |
| 13:54.08 | XorA | SGA returns Oct 1st :-D |
| 13:54.14 | taneli | has anyone used dasher on neo? |
| 13:54.20 | ScaredyCat | but considering that most of the stuff on tv is utter crap, I'm not about to pay more for it |
| 13:54.27 | Moriarty_ | taneli: is there an implementation for neo? |
| 13:54.34 | taneli | no idea, was just curious |
| 13:54.36 | Moriarty_ | if so, that would be rockin'. |
| 13:54.41 | ScaredyCat | I haven't seen that at all XorA |
| 13:54.47 | DukeOfURL | Since Sopranos has ended, I'm about to cancel HBO. |
| 13:54.49 | buz | i tried it on my tablet pc once. weird to say the least. |
| 13:55.01 | Moriarty_ | dasher seems like it would be very finger-friendly. |
| 13:55.10 | Moriarty_ | not sure about the screen size though. |
| 13:55.11 | buz | yeah but it confused the heck out my brain |
| 13:55.12 | ScaredyCat | is it any good? or crap like Battlestar galactica or lost |
| 13:55.39 | XorA | ScaredyCat: I liked it as a bit of silliness, but if you have taste its probably total crap :-D |
| 13:55.39 | buz | last hbo series i truly enjoyed was six feet under |
| 13:56.04 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3020 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-search-bar.c): |
| 13:56.04 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-search-bar.c: (moko_search_bar_init), |
| 13:56.04 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (moko_search_bar_new), (moko_search_bar_new_with_combo), |
| 13:56.04 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (moko_search_bar_get_combo_box), (moko_search_bar_get_entry), |
| 13:56.05 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (moko_search_bar_search_visible): |
| 13:56.08 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Add documentation for MokoSearchBar |
| 13:56.08 | DukeOfURL | I like TV shows that I can listen to but don't really have to watch. Because I'm always doinf something else with the TV on. |
| 13:56.24 | XorA | ScaredyCat: to gage my likings, I thought BSG season 1 was ok, 2 slightly below ok and 3 dire |
| 13:56.34 | ScaredyCat | there was a show called oddesy or somethign? |
| 13:56.41 | XorA | ScaredyCat: Oddeysey 5 |
| 13:56.45 | ScaredyCat | yes, that |
| 13:56.50 | taneli | dasher with mouse is confusing |
| 13:56.50 | ScaredyCat | I saw it on Dutch Tv... |
| 13:56.51 | XorA | ScaredyCat: about space shuttle crew sent back in time |
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| 13:57.14 | DukeOfURL | '24' is worth watching if you can suspend belief. |
| 13:57.16 | ScaredyCat | except they fucked it up and showed every episode out of sequence.. even the 2 parters |
| 13:57.22 | taneli | i was just wondering if it is better than (say) nokia's T9 |
| 13:57.34 | Moriarty_ | DukeOfURL: 24 season 1,3, and 4, I'd say. |
| 13:57.40 | ScaredyCat | the first 24 was ok, then it just got samey |
| 13:57.44 | CM | Heroes have started ok at least, seen the first 4 episodes |
| 13:57.54 | XorA | ScaredyCat: heh heh, thats ok, as the story didnt really go anywhere |
| 13:57.56 | Moriarty_ | 2 had the cougar, 5 was meh, and I couldn't rouse any interest for 6. |
| 13:58.13 | ScaredyCat | heros looks promising, except like lost or bsg nothing actually happens in each episode |
| 13:58.29 | Moriarty_ | heroes is structured rather interestingly. |
| 13:58.41 | ScaredyCat | I like the guy called hero |
| 13:58.44 | XorA | ScaredyCat: the nothing happens seems to be how Americans now make series |
| 13:58.53 | SpeedEvil | It's damn annoying. |
| 13:58.54 | Moriarty_ | roughly 3-episode mini-arcs advancing a season-long arc. |
| 13:58.56 | XorA | ScaredyCat: then they wonder why rating bomb after first season |
| 13:58.58 | ScaredyCat | XorA: just filling time |
| 13:59.25 | buz | in essence they are now stretching movies into 24*40min tv |
| 14:00.00 | XorA | Threshold was the worst, 12 episodes and absolutely nothing, not a single advancement in plot at all |
| 14:00.02 | ScaredyCat | it's all pap I don;t know why I bother... |
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| 14:00.42 | SpeedEvil | There are few that get story arcs moderately right. |
| 14:00.51 | SpeedEvil | B5, buffy. |
| 14:00.58 | Moriarty_ | firefly? |
| 14:01.05 | SpeedEvil | Can't really tell |
| 14:01.22 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't much like FF. |
| 14:01.33 | buz | and dont get my started on startrek.* |
| 14:01.39 | ScaredyCat | errm, andromeda was ok for the blue girl.... |
| 14:01.51 | XorA | ScaredyCat: yeah, she was hot |
| 14:01.56 | XorA | ScaredyCat: but so was the ship |
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| 14:02.32 | ScaredyCat | that girl on who played the ship ended up as the doctor on stargate |
| 14:02.37 | SpeedEvil | Personally, I think that 'Enterprise' could have worked for another series, set in the mirror universe. |
| 14:02.59 | ScaredyCat | I only ever got to see a couple of those.. |
| 14:03.04 | ScaredyCat | looked promising.. |
| 14:03.40 | SpeedEvil | It's noticable how little thought went into ebooks on trek. |
| 14:03.45 | ScaredyCat | what was that other one.. |
| 14:04.10 | ScaredyCat | with that woman in black, and moya(sp) |
| 14:04.22 | SpeedEvil | I mean, a large armful of ebooks, as nobody'd think of putting many titles on one book. |
| 14:05.25 | SpeedEvil | 'never try to calculate pi to the last decimal place at high priority'. |
| 14:05.35 | Jiten | since when did this channel become television themed :P |
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| 14:05.52 | buz | this channel occasionally ventures quite far from where it belongs |
| 14:06.06 | buz | usually it happens when a sufficient number of people are bored |
| 14:06.08 | SpeedEvil | It's better than constantly asking for information that isn't out there... |
| 14:06.30 | buz | not sure if we had this already, but GTA02 is now scheduled for december |
| 14:06.45 | SpeedEvil | Was an actual date in December mentioned? |
| 14:06.49 | buz | no |
| 14:07.10 | buz | also the 100ma usb power is not set in stone |
| 14:08.08 | HistoryOnTheRoad | buz: Where did you hear December? |
| 14:08.15 | buz | openexpo, from mickey |
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| 14:08.56 | buz | finally got my hands on a real neo |
| 14:09.00 | HistoryOnTheRoad | December == release, or December == silicon printing, or did he specify? |
| 14:09.08 | HistoryOnTheRoad | buz: congrats :) |
| 14:09.12 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:09.22 | buz | HistoryOnTheRoad: only to play with at the booth |
| 14:09.32 | buz | i think he meant december shipping |
| 14:09.37 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 14:09.46 | buz | and if it was for him, 2008 will see a qwerty device |
| 14:10.04 | CM | Is there any way to download the video of mickey's speech if you missed the live broadcast? |
| 14:10.10 | buz | i have no idea |
| 14:10.13 | buz | but it was german anyhow |
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| 14:10.22 | CM | buz: That's ok :D |
| 14:10.35 | CM | Es ist ganz einfach.. :P |
| 14:10.39 | buz | if you read the mailinglist, few things were new |
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| 14:11.12 | buz | i meant he didnt say much we didnt already know |
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| 14:11.21 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Qtopia_on_Neo_1973]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Ruggedized]] [[Talk:Hear_Me_FIC]] |
| 14:11.43 | buz | case seems surprisingly solid, i can see it survive drops |
| 14:12.00 | buz | (i have my doubt about that with some of the htc devices) |
| 14:12.28 | buz | oh and his neo actually does make and receive calls |
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| 14:12.45 | mickeyl | CM: i think the OpenExpo team will make the videos available |
| 14:12.59 | CM | mickeyl: Ah, nice. Thanks :) |
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| 14:13.07 | SpeedEvil | There are some drop reports on the phone on the wiki |
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| 14:13.40 | zecke | mickeyl: hey |
| 14:14.21 | thos | hey zecke |
| 14:14.37 | mickeyl | hi zecke |
| 14:14.43 | thos | zecke: you committed code using deprecated functions to libmokoui |
| 14:14.58 | ScaredyCat | boom boom boom mickeyl's in the room |
| 14:14.58 | buz | if that throw against wall to reboot feature is implemented we may soon get a lot of them ;) |
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| 14:15.15 | HistoryOnTheRoad | December shipping isn't too bad ... if that is stateside, at least ;) |
| 14:15.19 | ScaredyCat | buz: you'll need a lot :) |
| 14:15.28 | zecke | thos: what did I commit to libmokoui? For me OM2007.1 is dead, so do you mean mokoui2? |
| 14:15.39 | thos | zecke: yes 2 |
| 14:15.45 | SpeedEvil | December if no delays of course. |
| 14:15.47 | SpeedEvil | With luck. |
| 14:15.55 | zecke | thos: in which revision did I do so? |
| 14:15.58 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 14:15.59 | buz | ScaredyCat: the gui who was responsible for the booth actually seems to use his neo as primary phone |
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| 14:16.06 | ynezz | 3 months of time is nothing... |
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| 14:16.19 | ScaredyCat | the booth had a gui! |
| 14:16.30 | CM | buz: Here the wiki page btw http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Robustness |
| 14:16.38 | XorA | buz: who was on the booth? |
| 14:16.48 | ScaredyCat | buz: do they carry a car battery round with them thn? |
| 14:16.48 | buz | hows the weight of gta02? i imagine it's slightly heavier? |
| 14:17.02 | SpeedEvil | prolly about a wash. |
| 14:17.04 | buz | ScaredyCat: looked like a thinkpad x40 to me ;) |
| 14:17.06 | SpeedEvil | It loses a speaker too |
| 14:17.11 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 14:17.43 | thos | zecke: r2626 |
| 14:17.45 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Well, we have to all cross our fingers. :) |
| 14:17.52 | SpeedEvil | Though I suppose the battery is probably heavier. |
| 14:19.32 | Fradeve11 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Robustness loool |
| 14:19.41 | HistoryOnTheRoad | It was scheduled for late sept/early oct ... production is a few weeks, so November was a realistic date for them to ship. December to ship ... isn't horrible. |
| 14:19.42 | zecke | thos: Ah you mean, I use a a method that is deprecated. And you probably mean gtk_object_sink? |
| 14:20.08 | SpeedEvil | Well - if there has to be a testing phase first, that pushes it out some. |
| 14:20.22 | zecke | thos: feel free to use the gobject equivalent, I thought we still target gtk2.6 |
| 14:20.35 | buz | actually i think production can be quite quick if all components are on stock |
| 14:20.53 | buz | serious QC might take a while though |
| 14:21.18 | thos | zecke: yeah, we're targeting 2.10 afaik (maybe 2.12?) |
| 14:21.21 | cjb_ie | yeah, stuffing SMT components onto boards can be done in minutes per board |
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| 14:21.47 | thos | zecke: by the way, you'll be interested to know I added gtk-doc support to libmokoui2 |
| 14:22.06 | meus | whoohoo http://www.ddj.com/mobile/201807645?cid=RSSfeed_DDJ_All |
| 14:22.27 | thos | zecke: yup, we're one and the same ;-) |
| 14:22.48 | zecke | thos: do you want to change the gtk_object_sink usage or should I? |
| 14:23.12 | mickeyl | meus: press releases :D |
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| 14:23.26 | thos | zecke: feel free, i'll probably do a check that everything compiles with DISABLE_DEPRECATED at some point |
| 14:24.16 | ScaredyCat | I haven't found the javavm or web browser on qtopia at all |
| 14:24.43 | meus | mickeyl: hehe :) |
| 14:24.45 | buz | ScaredyCat: i think trolltech bundles it with opera for commericial clients |
| 14:24.56 | ScaredyCat | and SXE is still disabled, but calls work |
| 14:25.13 | buz | they also have some Java implementation that renders to Qt directly |
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| 14:25.56 | buz | if wonder if qtwebkit could run on qtopia though |
| 14:26.15 | zecke | buz: WebKit/Qt can, see an old blog entry by another harald |
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| 14:26.56 | zecke | buz: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2007/01/19/webkit-on-embedded/ |
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| 14:27.23 | buz | nice |
| 14:28.12 | buz | and at vga, you may actually be able to use most webpages |
| 14:28.59 | buz | on qvga you cant and i'm not really willing to believe that hvga works well either |
| 14:29.18 | zash` | does webkit render pages in vga, or higer and scales down? |
| 14:29.38 | emdete | zash`: how do you mean? |
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| 14:30.10 | zash` | emdete: most pages isnt designed for vga anymore, more like 1024x768 |
| 14:30.29 | emdete | zash`: ah, okay, it does not scale by default |
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| 14:30.57 | zash` | the safari on ipån seems to have some scaling/zoom stuffs |
| 14:31.42 | emdete | zash`: yes. i am just about to try to understand webkit - on the neo i use webkit-gtk which does not support much |
| 14:32.14 | buz | i've seen the zooming feature on s60, it looks neat but usability is really bad |
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| 14:32.44 | buz | the history made of small pics of pages definitely has got some use though |
| 14:33.02 | emdete | yes, it tries to jump between the text blocks... but does not always hot those |
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| 14:33.38 | zecke | zash`: WebKit/WebCore is not doing a real layout, they try to get the best fit for the viewport width (firefox 3.0 is going to do the same) |
| 14:34.30 | buz | how different from khtml is webkit these days? i dont notice much different between firefox and khtml (aside of the former being more flexible whereas the latter is muuuch faster) |
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| 14:35.00 | emdete | i don't know khtml... |
| 14:35.21 | zash` | webkit = apples khtml fork |
| 14:35.22 | zecke | buz: the basic design of Webkit and khtml are still similiar, but webkit is better evolved, more easy to understand |
| 14:35.22 | buz | khtml is where webkit originally came from |
| 14:35.28 | zash` | i think |
| 14:35.42 | buz | i wonder if kde4 will eventually drop khtml in favor of qt webkit |
| 14:35.47 | emdete | shure... but apple did a lot of improvements, i can't tell which |
| 14:36.08 | emdete | apple will include full svg support... |
| 14:36.17 | buz | khtml has svg support i think |
| 14:36.18 | zash` | aren't they merging webkit back into khtml? |
| 14:36.36 | buz | zash`: truth to be told, after reading planetkde all the time, i honestly cant tell |
| 14:36.49 | buz | some wanted to do that, others did not |
| 14:37.11 | buz | seeing how widely webkit is used these days, i think khtml should go |
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| 14:40.12 | berkus | buz: kde4 will use webkit |
| 14:40.23 | buz | good to hear |
| 14:40.36 | thomasg | afaik kde will switch to webkit, and they have a agreement with apple that they will cooperate. the first thing will be full svg-support then |
| 14:41.20 | SpeedEvil | savage! |
| 14:41.21 | DPThought | did anyone already put some effort into making a combined image with qtopia and the openmoko default gui? I would like to have a system where i can just switch runlevels or so to use either of the systems. |
| 14:42.00 | DPThought | i'm a bit reluctant to over-flash my qtopia image since it works so well. :) |
| 14:42.13 | emdete | can i download neo-qtopia image somewhere? |
| 14:42.41 | DPThought | emdete: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php |
| 14:42.58 | emdete | perhaps you can put qtopia on sd? |
| 14:43.31 | DPThought | emdete: better http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973 |
| 14:44.47 | ScaredyCat | emdete: I have a 'newer' image available... |
| 14:44.49 | DPThought | emdete: yea, but multiboot would be tachnically unnecessary since both use the same basic linux system. |
| 14:45.28 | buz | maybe you could ismply give a param to init to decide which one to load? |
| 14:45.34 | jpcass | init scripts that says press aux for qtopia, power for openmoko? |
| 14:46.21 | DPThought | jpcass: something like that. Or better a way to switch from oe to the other. like you can switch window managers |
| 14:46.58 | buz | boot the last one that was running and add a button to switch? |
| 14:47.03 | DPThought | init 2 for default, int 3 for qtopia :) |
| 14:48.33 | buz | yeah runlevels |
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| 14:49.16 | ScaredyCat | i guess you only need to add qtopia-phone to the recipe |
| 14:53.32 | ScaredyCat | see my vest, see my vest... |
| 14:53.33 | bmidgley | the first time I booted qtopia it found bluetooth |
| 14:53.39 | bmidgley | ever since then it says it's not available |
| 14:53.49 | ScaredyCat | did you turn it off? |
| 14:53.57 | ScaredyCat | bluetooth that is |
| 14:54.19 | bmidgley | I don't think so... but now the control panel thing won't even give me the option |
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| 14:54.41 | bmidgley | (Bluetooth not available.) |
| 14:54.50 | bmidgley | is all it shows in the control panel |
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| 14:56.52 | DPThought | bmidgley: maybe something broken in ~root/Settings/Trolltech/Bluetooth.conf |
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| 14:57.35 | DPThought | i found out that qtopia has buggy input fields. Most time you are better off changing the config files manually. :) |
| 14:57.40 | DPThought | this way i got SIP working |
| 14:58.09 | jpcass___ | DPThought: tell me more, I was trying to get SIP working... |
| 14:58.10 | DPThought | but no audio so far. |
| 14:58.43 | jpcass___ | DPthought have you alsactl restore -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state (or something) |
| 14:59.27 | DPThought | jpcass___: jep. i'm not sure i had no sounde because ttp did not work or qtpia uses the wrong audio device. |
| 14:59.28 | bmidgley | DPThought: there is Settings/Trolltech/BluetoothServices.conf but no Settings/Trolltech/Bluetooth.conf |
| 15:00.04 | jpcass___ | try lsmod | grep snd |
| 15:00.53 | jpcass___ | where is the config file for SIP? |
| 15:00.58 | DPThought | bmidgley: ok. stop qtopia. put "[General]"newline "LocalDeviceVisible=true" in Settings/Trolltech/Bluetooth.conf and start qpe /etc/init.d/qpe start &. Maybe that fixes it |
| 15:01.11 | bmidgley | AH... I did a ipkg upgrade and it broke the kernel modules |
| 15:01.20 | bmidgley | that was dumb |
| 15:01.32 | jpcass___ | but it happens! |
| 15:01.41 | bmidgley | maybe a new kernel would fix everything |
| 15:02.29 | DPThought | jpcass___: I put in random values in the sip config dialog. Then stoppped qtopia and changed the values in Settings/Trolltech/SIPAgent.conf to sensible data. The biggest problem is t |
| 15:02.55 | DPThought | that all strings begin with a space. |
| 15:03.43 | DPThought | you could put in you password in plain if you leave the : sign at the beginning. this way you overcome the blanc at the beginning bug here too |
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| 15:04.35 | DPThought | Same thing with mail btw. Configura mail, edit Settings/Trolltech/qtmail_account.conf remove all blancs from the strings and start qpe... ;) |
| 15:04.38 | jpcass___ | you mean in UserUri? |
| 15:04.55 | DPThought | jpcass___: moment i pastebin my config... |
| 15:05.11 | jpcass___ | thanks |
| 15:06.21 | DPThought | http://pastebin.com/d578f90e2 |
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| 15:07.28 | PBeck | hallo |
| 15:07.30 | DPThought | as far as i can remember, i put my password in plain without : at the beginning. qtopia must have stored it mack in mime |
| 15:08.34 | DPThought | regsters fine. but had no working call yet :) |
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| 15:09.26 | DPThought | and make sure qtopia is not running while you change the files. it will overwrite them when it is beeing stopped |
| 15:11.05 | jpcass___ | ok, i''l try - is your password coded? because what i see in my file is nothing like what I typed in the interface! |
| 15:11.14 | DPThought | received no mail though, since downloading 9k messages was a bit to much for my patience. But it worked so far as it connected the server right. |
| 15:11.43 | DPThought | jpcass___: did you stop qtopia? maybe the changes are not yet written back to the file |
| 15:12.02 | jpcass___ | yes it was yesterday.... |
| 15:12.07 | ScaredyCat | CM: ping |
| 15:12.25 | DPThought | jpcass___: but however. use my template put in your password in plain without the : at the beginnign and try. should work. ;) |
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| 15:13.18 | jpcass___ | how do i restart the SIP Agent from console? how to cause register? |
| 15:13.42 | ScaredyCat | click on it again |
| 15:13.53 | ScaredyCat | is asks if you want to gonfig or register |
| 15:14.21 | DPThought | jpcass___: it starts when qtopia ist started. in the sip settings dialog is a option to register. (contect menu or however this is called) |
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| 15:16.19 | jpcass___ | the moko is at home and i am sshed in...;-( |
| 15:16.38 | DPThought | jpcass___: lol |
| 15:16.42 | emdete | jpcass___: u need a webcam at home |
| 15:16.49 | jpcass___ | and a robot |
| 15:16.53 | emdete | ;) |
| 15:17.07 | DPThought | and a robotic stylus |
| 15:17.15 | buz | 300mio usd infusion into palm? why?? |
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| 15:19.29 | jpcass___ | ok, i'll try it later... |
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| 15:26.33 | CM | ScaredyCat: pong :) |
| 15:26.52 | ScaredyCat | wanna try somehting for me when you get home? |
| 15:27.23 | CM | I just got in through the door |
| 15:27.27 | CM | New build? |
| 15:28.01 | ScaredyCat | ahh k, no, I was thinking more - ipkg install qtopia-phone |
| 15:28.06 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 15:28.14 | CM | Hehe.. I see |
| 15:28.43 | CM | One problem there though.. Don't have the right kernel on my desktop |
| 15:29.02 | CM | And I'm lazy to recompile it and reboot to get the network routing stuff going |
| 15:29.08 | ScaredyCat | ahh |
| 15:29.10 | bmidgley | updated to 2.6.22.5 and qtopia can see bt again |
| 15:29.11 | CM | Hmm.. Can scp it over though |
| 15:29.30 | ScaredyCat | ya... |
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| 15:32.33 | CM | It's not easy to be color-blind: http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1407812867&size=o |
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| 15:33.32 | Fradeve87 | lol |
| 15:33.37 | CM | ScaredyCat: Does qtopia use openssh or dropbear? |
| 15:33.45 | emdete | dropbear |
| 15:33.53 | CM | Ok |
| 15:33.54 | ScaredyCat | dropbear |
| 15:33.57 | ScaredyCat | hhe |
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| 15:34.20 | emdete | lag cat? :) |
| 15:34.20 | ScaredyCat | there's no reason it has to... |
| 15:34.36 | ScaredyCat | catalag ? |
| 15:34.55 | emdete | scary lag? |
| 15:36.15 | emdete | "ScaredyCat> there's no reason it has to..." ...use dropbear or be slow? |
| 15:36.33 | ScaredyCat | use dropbear.... |
| 15:36.36 | ScaredyCat | it's not slow... |
| 15:36.44 | ScaredyCat | at least not on mine neo |
| 15:37.13 | emdete | no, dropbear is fine. but as i understand much smaller than open ssh. and you can drop functionality |
| 15:37.14 | ScaredyCat | cat lagging is something perverts do. |
| 15:37.26 | CM | Wow, got an sms |
| 15:37.43 | ScaredyCat | it doesn't support logging into other boxes via ssh keys iirc (dropbear) |
| 15:37.46 | ScaredyCat | CM? |
| 15:37.54 | emdete | i tried a mms, which in fact is a sms with an url, but that one could not be decoded :( |
| 15:37.57 | ScaredyCat | ahh yeah... that works :) |
| 15:38.26 | emdete | ScaredyCat: really? perhaps it's switched off? |
| 15:38.35 | ScaredyCat | npe |
| 15:38.45 | ScaredyCat | well... it might be |
| 15:38.47 | ScaredyCat | in the build |
| 15:39.06 | ScaredyCat | that was my initial reason for putting openssh on my neo :) |
| 15:40.03 | CM | ScaredyCat: What's up with the dialler? |
| 15:40.11 | CM | I can't input any numbers into it |
| 15:40.12 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 15:40.48 | ScaredyCat | oh.. looks like I brok it |
| 15:41.11 | CM | It deselects the input field when you type a number |
| 15:41.36 | emdete | someone already tried a gprs conn? |
| 15:42.45 | CM | ScaredyCat: Also, there's no /etc/alsa dir |
| 15:43.00 | ScaredyCat | look in /etc/ |
| 15:43.01 | emdete | they put the templates to /etc... |
| 15:43.11 | ScaredyCat | it's the new kernel |
| 15:43.12 | emdete | :D |
| 15:43.12 | CM | Ah, ok |
| 15:43.19 | ScaredyCat | emdete: no it's my build of it |
| 15:43.52 | emdete | really? alsa-states installes it there also or am i wrong? |
| 15:46.09 | ScaredyCat | emdete: not on the kernel they provided |
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| 15:48.41 | CM | ScaredyCat: Ok, managed to get the sound on and make a call |
| 15:48.48 | CM | But man, to add a contact was hard |
| 15:48.54 | CM | I don't get the keyboard |
| 15:49.01 | ScaredyCat | what was the problem with the dialer? |
| 15:49.16 | ScaredyCat | was it user error? |
| 15:49.18 | CM | The dialer still doesn't work |
| 15:49.37 | CM | No, but I called in with my other phone, than added that number to my address book |
| 15:49.41 | CM | and then called it back :) |
| 15:50.18 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 15:51.02 | mwester | Creative solution... |
| 15:51.04 | CM | How do you erase text with that keyboard? |
| 15:51.20 | CM | Draw left somehow, but I can't get it to delete |
| 15:52.37 | CM | Hmm.. Now it kind of locked up. Shouldn't have pressed that green thing in the middle |
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| 15:54.00 | mwester | DPThought: it has potential, though; |
| 15:55.26 | mwester | Needs keys reorganized based on the data-entry box in question, at the least (would be nice if there was a numeric keypad that had all the calculator keys on it, rather than just the phone dialer keys. |
| 15:55.32 | mwester | ) |
| 15:55.50 | DPThought | mwester: maybe. but i needed fucking hours to figure out that i could also type words that thing did not know. (pressing letter long) |
| 15:55.56 | mwester | If we could turn off predictive text, it would be easier. |
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| 15:56.28 | mwester | But I'll admit that's a personal preference; I can't use any predictive thing on a regular phone, but my kids love it. |
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| 15:58.16 | DPThought | mwester: predictive is one thing. But if it begins to change letters you already entered correctly... you write a word and suddenly it changes to something completely differtent and you can not fix it. Predictiv on what yiy really typed, ok. nice thing. But knowing better what you typed is just stupid. (my 2 eurocent) |
| 15:58.19 | CM | But how do you delet a char in it? |
| 15:58.32 | CM | It just writes more and more crap, and not even the chars you select |
| 15:58.34 | ScaredyCat | stoke left |
| 15:58.40 | CM | Where? |
| 15:58.44 | ScaredyCat | stroke right is space |
| 15:58.46 | CM | That does nothing on my phone |
| 15:58.52 | ScaredyCat | over the keyboard |
| 15:59.05 | CM | Ah, really long strokes worked |
| 15:59.15 | CM | And how do you write just one char? |
| 15:59.17 | ScaredyCat | up and down for other characters too |
| 15:59.31 | ScaredyCat | eh? |
| 15:59.32 | DPThought | CM: press the letter long |
| 16:00.28 | CM | Ah, ok |
| 16:00.38 | CM | Just noticed if I typ es, it writes Ed |
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| 16:02.45 | DPThought | CM: yea, useless. type everything but common words in the 'press long' method. this letters will not be changed by that predictive smartass junk |
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| 16:07.23 | ScaredyCat | you can |
| 16:07.37 | ScaredyCat | use the 'words' app |
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| 16:09.31 | ScaredyCat | ok, 5 hours 20 mins before it died |
| 16:10.10 | ScaredyCat | 35 mins even |
| 16:10.58 | viq | Did anyone hear anything more regarding the gossip about the new models? |
| 16:11.23 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FIC/de]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Dual_SIM]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] [[User:ChrisLord]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Ambient_light_sensor]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Solar_power]] [[Development_resources]] and other changes |
| 16:12.26 | DPThought | ScaredyCat: i'm a bit confused with your builds. i guess caredycat-openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 is the latest image. But which kernel fits to this image? could you maybe make *-latest symlink for the lates files? Loking through them all is dificult because apache dir inex cuts off the filename |
| 16:15.01 | ScaredyCat | use http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/?M=D |
| 16:15.01 | ScaredyCat | that puts newest at the top.. |
| 16:15.11 | ScaredyCat | so you get the newest image, then scan down for the newest kernel |
| 16:15.27 | DPThought | thx |
| 16:15.41 | ScaredyCat | I could symlink, but I'm rsyncing atm |
| 16:16.28 | ScaredyCat | your status bar should give the full name too... |
| 16:18.30 | ScaredyCat | is there a way to increase the size for a dirl isting? |
| 16:19.51 | DPThought | ScaredyCat: all colleque of me changed the templete somehow which fixed that. i can have a look how.... |
| 16:22.00 | ScaredyCat | how about that ? |
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| 16:25.10 | DPThought | ScaredyCat: IndexOptions NameWidth=* should work. |
| 16:26.59 | ScaredyCat | but thanks anyway :) |
| 16:28.24 | DPThought | ScaredyCat: ah, i see :) |
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| 16:38.07 | LarstiQ | ScaredyCat, DPThought: thanks for those hints, now I can actually enter my nick with qtopia :) |
| 16:39.15 | ScaredyCat | ? you are on irc with your neo running qtopia? |
| 16:39.33 | LarstiQ | heh, no |
| 16:40.06 | LarstiQ | ScaredyCat: but I tried to enter my nick into the phonebook matching my other sim, the best I could manage was 'material' |
| 16:40.15 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 16:40.36 | Fradeve87 | stupid question, but OM wiki doesn't speak about this: on OM could I run an IRC client? Xchat-type? |
| 16:40.50 | ScaredyCat | you could have just put the other sim in and copied your contacts from it to the phone |
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| 16:41.06 | ScaredyCat | Fradeve87: yes it could... |
| 16:41.32 | Fradeve87 | ScaredyCat: what kind of client? Is now possible or is a feature in development? |
| 16:41.38 | LarstiQ | ScaredyCat: hmja, I'm trying to keep it in a known working phone ;) |
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| 16:42.08 | LarstiQ | Fradeve87: you could run any existing irc client if you want to, what special support are you looking for? |
| 16:42.34 | ScaredyCat | I can attempt to buildit for you Fradeve87 |
| 16:42.38 | pH5 | Fradeve87: 640x480 is just good enough to run xchat as it is (if you don't need the configuration dialogs). cmdline clients of course work w/o problem. |
| 16:42.57 | Fradeve87 | ok is exactly what I would to know :D |
| 16:43.19 | Fradeve87 | is there any IRC client in repos? |
| 16:44.01 | ScaredyCat | I'm just building xchat for you Fradeve87... you have to wait for it to build first :) |
| 16:44.12 | Fradeve87 | Sc |
| 16:44.16 | lartza | ssh home and screen -r ;) |
| 16:44.26 | Fradeve87 | ScaredyCat: nice, but at now I don't have a Neo :( |
| 16:44.35 | Fradeve87 | I'm waiting december :( :( |
| 16:44.40 | DPThought | maemo had xchat in a simplified version. i bet this would be easy to port. remove the hildon crap if there is any... |
| 16:45.16 | pH5 | LarstiQ: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/base/irssi_0.8.10-r2_armv4t.ipk |
| 16:45.18 | LarstiQ | ScaredyCat: aww, I'll use it then |
| 16:45.27 | LarstiQ | pH5: ooh! |
| 16:46.04 | ScaredyCat | I'll build irssi too :) |
| 16:46.43 | ScaredyCat | oh, you have it already |
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| 16:53.44 | CM | Hmm, qtopia totally hanged after a while. Seems like restarting it takes away turning off the sleep |
| 16:54.25 | ScaredyCat | can you say that again - this time in English? |
| 16:54.27 | ScaredyCat | :P |
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| 16:55.48 | ScaredyCat | turn off the suspend in power management |
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| 17:12.07 | SpeedEvil | Foxtrot, tango, or samba? |
| 17:12.53 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3021 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 17:12.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * data/gtkrc: |
| 17:12.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-draw.c: (moko_gradient), (moko_draw_box): |
| 17:12.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-style.c: (moko_style_class_init): |
| 17:12.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/moko-style.h: |
| 17:12.55 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Add initial support for "border" and "gradient" boolean engine options |
| 17:14.00 | Writchie | anyone got a handle on the RF noise problems in the audio path? |
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| 17:16.42 | DPThought | gsm does not register to the network here. is there a known workaround? It is a long time ago i updated, so im a bit out of touch. |
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| 17:17.02 | DPThought | registerign via does not work libgsm-tool |
| 17:17.11 | DPThought | ups via libgsm-tool |
| 17:17.42 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: it would have to be Foxtrot.. |
| 17:18.16 | ScaredyCat | DPThought: iirc you work in a faraday cage don't you ? |
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| 17:19.46 | DPThought | ScaredyCat: not realy. qtopia had a signal :) |
| 17:19.48 | Elrond | BTW: Can one change the boot progress bar into something else (text scrolling and telling me, what it actually does)? |
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| 17:20.14 | ScaredyCat | ipkg remove psplash -forcedepends |
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| 17:20.18 | ScaredyCat | ipkg remove psplash -force-depends |
| 17:20.31 | ScaredyCat | will get rid of the splash |
| 17:20.46 | Elrond | ScaredyCat - Ahh. :-) |
| 17:20.47 | ScaredyCat | DPThought: must be that anti-faraday option |
| 17:21.48 | DPThought | ScaredyCat: hey you compiled that. did you forget to disable this option? *g8 |
| 17:21.54 | Elrond | ScaredyCat - le'me try it :) |
| 17:22.37 | ScaredyCat | I must have forgotten -anti-anti-faraday |
| 17:23.48 | Elrond | ScaredyCat - Do you know by accident, how it updates the progress bar? |
| 17:24.54 | ScaredyCat | I'm not sure at what points the updates take place... I either have it completely off or on, depending how I feel... haven't bothered to delve |
| 17:25.01 | Elrond | Hmm, strange enough. I lost the whole top panel icons. |
| 17:25.30 | ScaredyCat | sure that's not just one of those crashes that happens? |
| 17:26.21 | Elrond | Possibly. I don't know. |
| 17:27.31 | Elrond | shutdown -r now -- let's see. ;-) |
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| 17:29.18 | Elrond | again. |
| 17:31.22 | Elrond | Oh, great. I locked it up. |
| 17:31.31 | Elrond | Without gsm ;o) |
| 17:32.25 | mwester | Add "psplash=false" to the boot arguments will also disable the boot progress splash screen. |
| 17:33.09 | DPThought | can i somehow poll gsmd to see in which state it is right no? |
| 17:33.36 | mwester | Elrond: qtopia also enables hardware flow control to talk to the GSM modem, so it has the same lockup issues that we used to have on OpenMoko. |
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| 17:33.59 | Elrond | mwester - I have removed gsmd. ;o) |
| 17:34.11 | Elrond | ... at least from /etc/rc*.d/ ;o) |
| 17:34.15 | mwester | are you running qtopia? |
| 17:34.22 | Elrond | No. |
| 17:34.37 | mwester | Ah, ok. I think there are other processes that start gsmd themselves. |
| 17:35.03 | mwester | So you have to rename the actual gsmd binary, or perhaps /etc/init.d/gsmd script |
| 17:35.20 | mwester | (I think the dialer will attempt to start gsmd if it can't connect to it) |
| 17:36.03 | Elrond | *arg* Good to know. |
| 17:39.38 | Elrond | Okay, yes. It started gsmd somehow. I renamed the binary. |
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| 17:48.03 | torpor | hiya |
| 17:54.15 | zefanja | I saw some screenshots of G(PE)² running on the neo. |
| 17:54.20 | zefanja | is this faster then OM? |
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| 17:54.43 | lostgeek | hi |
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| 18:12.04 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Dual_SIM]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[User:Pander]] [[Main_Page]] |
| 18:14.30 | ScaredyCat | LarstiQ: ? |
| 18:16.13 | LarstiQ | ScaredyCat: whenever I hit my next qtopia hurdle I just have to scroll back up, reread what you said, and voila, it worksez |
| 18:16.32 | ScaredyCat | heheh |
| 18:16.59 | ScaredyCat | must be a fluke ;) |
| 18:17.19 | ljp | heh |
| 18:18.37 | ScaredyCat | hey ljp |
| 18:18.38 | LarstiQ | ljp: switching the register with up and down strokes wasn't immediately obvious, but I must say it works reasonably well |
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| 18:21.11 | ScaredyCat | did you mode the .bb files to point at snapshots yet ljp ? |
| 18:21.38 | ScaredyCat | s/mode/mod/ |
| 18:22.32 | CM | ScaredyCat: I've noticed something strange with your image |
| 18:22.48 | CM | It's like the touchscreen stops working after a while |
| 18:22.51 | ScaredyCat | no, that's a mirror you're looking at |
| 18:22.53 | ljp | no, i need to find out why there is only one snapshot |
| 18:22.53 | CM | Even if I don't let it suspend |
| 18:22.59 | CM | :P |
| 18:23.23 | ScaredyCat | after a lot of use CM or when 'idle; |
| 18:23.30 | CM | Idle |
| 18:23.42 | ScaredyCat | mmm... odd.. |
| 18:23.43 | CM | Calling in wakes it up |
| 18:23.43 | CM | And I can answer |
| 18:23.45 | ScaredyCat | :O |
| 18:23.48 | ScaredyCat | curious |
| 18:23.51 | CM | Pressing the power button works and I can select things |
| 18:24.08 | CM | Also, the screen wakes up when I tap it |
| 18:24.14 | CM | But I can't press anything on the main menu |
| 18:24.21 | CM | So yes, very odd |
| 18:24.25 | ScaredyCat | ljp: the bb file provided also seems to create different images... (content) |
| 18:24.33 | ScaredyCat | mmm... |
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| 18:24.42 | CM | Ahh.. |
| 18:24.49 | CM | Now I know |
| 18:24.50 | ScaredyCat | have you recalibrated ? |
| 18:24.59 | CM | No |
| 18:25.06 | CM | But if I touch the green icon in the start page |
| 18:25.15 | CM | That's when eveything stops working |
| 18:25.37 | CM | I get the green back arrow at the bottom, but I can't click it |
| 18:25.37 | ScaredyCat | there's an issue with the little 'list' icon on that page, or the arrow... |
| 18:25.42 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 18:26.05 | ScaredyCat | I don;t know why - i think it's a config issue... hence me trying out different combos... |
| 18:26.10 | CM | Any way to get around it besides restarting qtopia? |
| 18:26.31 | CM | Btw, ran out of cash on the prepaid sim.. :( |
| 18:26.33 | ScaredyCat | but homefully ljp is going to give me all the details of the other build, |
| 18:26.39 | CM | :) |
| 18:26.41 | ScaredyCat | doh! |
| 18:26.56 | ScaredyCat | at least you *could* run out... |
| 18:27.03 | ScaredyCat | ie can make calls :) |
| 18:27.10 | CM | Exactly :D |
| 18:27.23 | ScaredyCat | I'm roaming atm... it costs me to make and to receive calls :/ |
| 18:27.50 | ljp | thats standard for US |
| 18:28.01 | ljp | non roaming |
| 18:28.09 | ScaredyCat | ouch! |
| 18:28.19 | meus | in US do you pay for both receiving and calling? that is does both count on your "minutes"? |
| 18:28.22 | ljp | ya, I laugh at my family back in the US |
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| 18:28.33 | dkr | yeah, "free incoming" is treated like some special feature on some plans |
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| 18:28.41 | ScaredyCat | that's just wrong |
| 18:28.41 | meus | that is silly. |
| 18:28.41 | dkr | it's not common |
| 18:28.46 | CM | Heh, I call most of my friends without paying at all |
| 18:29.03 | LarstiQ | dkr: wtf |
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| 18:29.49 | dkr | well, I'm paying for this internet connection to send you this line of text, and you are paying to receive it. :) |
| 18:30.31 | LarstiQ | dkr: I'd make the snail-mail analogy :P |
| 18:30.32 | eggsy | but at least in the US calling a mobile doesn't cost more than calling a landline |
| 18:31.05 | ljp | ya, imagine having to pay for a post letter |
| 18:31.11 | ljp | for receiving one |
| 18:31.20 | LarstiQ | dkr: you don't pay if you decide not to pick up I hope? |
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| 18:31.43 | dkr | correct. they have lpenty of other ways to rip people off, though, :) |
| 18:32.14 | LarstiQ | so people in the US don't balance who calls whom based on cost I suppose |
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| 18:47.33 | u_l-lap | LarstiQ: if you reject the call you usually get charged a minute |
| 18:52.12 | LarstiQ | u_l-lap: meh |
| 18:52.26 | ScaredyCat | wtf |
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| 18:54.56 | u_l-lap | LarstiQ: this is only if you explicitely reject versus just ignoring the call |
| 18:55.12 | u_l-lap | my stupid phone doesn't have an option to stop vibrating and relock the keypad when the phone is already silent |
| 18:55.24 | u_l-lap | and yet it can do that when I am in normal mode it makes no sense |
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| 19:19.21 | orzo | I want to buy an att/cingular sim known to work with the neo |
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| 19:19.37 | orzo | how do i go about that |
| 19:20.04 | orzo | sometimes venders indicate the SKU number, but i've not seen the version/vender number listed much |
| 19:20.34 | orzo | anybody here got an extra? |
| 19:23.26 | ScaredyCat | orzo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers |
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| 19:23.57 | orzo | ScaredyCat, i'm aware of that list |
| 19:24.13 | orzo | it doesnt help me if sellers dont indicate the SKU and vender/version number both |
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| 19:36.03 | LarstiQ | ScaredyCat: have you used a gprs service in .nl? |
| 19:36.32 | ScaredyCat | I have but atm I'm roaming and haven't ported my settings |
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| 19:46.37 | UdoUdowski | hi one question to the openmoko project. Is it possible to install the software part of openmoko to other smartphone devices than neo?? |
| 19:46.37 | aloril | UdoUdowski: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 19:48.01 | lostgeek | does someone know how much the 450$ version of gta02 will cost inclusive shipping and taxes to germany? |
| 19:48.14 | Writchie|lunch | UdoUdowski: look here -> http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
| 19:49.07 | thomasg | lostgeek: it is not yet known |
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| 19:49.21 | Writchie|lunch | UdoUdowski: short answer some parts work - but much work remains to even have a working neo1973 version |
| 19:50.03 | thomasg | lostgeek: as I assume it will be shipped from within europe (maybe this will be germany), so you might have to pay the 19% VAT and very less shipping costs. will be 420-450€ I guess |
| 19:50.04 | __Ace__ | ok, just flashed my openmoko with 2007.2, but when booting it stops when the progressbar is full |
| 19:50.09 | __Ace__ | why and what to do? |
| 19:50.53 | Writchie | anybody else have problem that neo audio is picking up rf (or power supply) noise from the modem? |
| 19:50.56 | lostgeek | ok. think i could buy it :-) |
| 19:51.34 | webjames | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02#.22Phase_2.22_.28GTA02.2C_.22Mass_Market.22.29 what's the santas sleigh package? |
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| 19:51.44 | LarstiQ | Writchie: how do you determine that? |
| 19:52.06 | Writchie | on calls in the Qtopia the infamous GSM burst are audible |
| 19:52.26 | dkr | webjames: a joke based on the fact that it would get there at christmas? |
| 19:52.27 | ferric | the static cl-cl-cl-cl? |
| 19:52.47 | Writchie | audio path is semi-working but unacceptable do to both near-end and far-end echos |
| 19:53.10 | LarstiQ | Writchie: during a call I presume? |
| 19:53.28 | henrikw | Writchie: yep same sound here |
| 19:53.32 | Writchie | during a call yes - probably also during sms receive |
| 19:53.37 | webjames | dkr: thanks, i hoped that was the case. i'm buying a christmas present for myself |
| 19:53.54 | Writchie | this is a common hardware problem but unfortunately somewhat hard to fix |
| 19:54.13 | dkr | webjames: the downside to that is that package delivery gets backed up around christmas |
| 19:54.24 | __Ace__ | anyone? |
| 19:54.46 | Writchie | dkr: not really in US |
| 19:54.47 | webjames | dkr true, that's what i thought the santas sleigh was some sort of special delivery? |
| 19:54.48 | dkr | webjames: plus, that timeline is really a guess ( an educated one, but a guess nonetheless) |
| 19:55.10 | henrikw | __Ace__: tried a nand erase? |
| 19:55.22 | henrikw | __Ace__: and then reflash? |
| 19:55.30 | webjames | dkr, a christmas release would be nice |
| 19:55.44 | __Ace__ | nand erase? |
| 19:55.49 | __Ace__ | no.. |
| 19:56.01 | UdoUdowski | thanks for the answers. Have a nice day! |
| 19:56.02 | Writchie | don't ever to nand erase! |
| 19:56.06 | __Ace__ | I dont have this board though |
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| 19:56.11 | Writchie | nand erase kernel or nand erase rootfs |
| 19:56.27 | __Ace__ | how do I do that exaclty? |
| 19:56.28 | Writchie | nand erase will do exactly that - except may on very recent u-boots |
| 19:56.30 | henrikw | ehh.. yeah.. thats what I meant :p |
| 19:56.39 | henrikw | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Nand_erase |
| 19:56.50 | Writchie | nand erase = make me a brick please |
| 19:56.55 | henrikw | hehe |
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| 19:57.19 | __Ace__ | ok, thanks.. |
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| 19:59.11 | Writchie | henrikw: Ok you got audible interference from gsm signalling bursts - do you also have echo and receive too low and mic a little too hot? |
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| 20:00.20 | ferric | are you guys all testing using qtopia now? |
| 20:01.11 | Writchie | ferric: some are playing with it. |
| 20:01.20 | henrikw | Wrtichie: I've only tried to calling to receive "Voicemail" the sound was a little low, cannot give info on echo and hotmic |
| 20:01.56 | CM | ScaredyCat: Doesn't the screen disable at all if you lock the phone? |
| 20:02.00 | henrikw | ferric: it's a little fun to actually use the phone as.. well.. a phone ;) |
| 20:02.11 | CM | Mine has been locked for 10 minutes and the screen hasn't even dimmed. |
| 20:02.22 | Writchie | qtopia version is close to being usable as a phone - but need audio to be sorted and of course power management to service at least 10 hours of standby |
| 20:02.24 | ScaredyCat | mmmm.... not noticed ... |
| 20:02.28 | henrikw | CM: same here |
| 20:02.57 | ScaredyCat | tryign to figure out what is wrong with the dialer |
| 20:03.07 | ixs | CM: pm with the qtopia thingy is basically unusable. |
| 20:03.16 | CM | The sound was a bit weird too |
| 20:03.25 | Writchie | CM: its a pretty old kernel |
| 20:03.25 | CM | I heard myself too loud, but the other person very low |
| 20:03.32 | ScaredyCat | ixs: that's not strictly correct.. |
| 20:03.42 | CM | I'm using the latest openmoko kernel |
| 20:03.46 | ScaredyCat | CM: change the sidetone with aslamixer |
| 20:03.54 | ScaredyCat | lower it |
| 20:04.19 | Writchie | ScraredyCat: there is also far end crosstalk that the caller hears |
| 20:04.38 | CM | ScaredyCat: It seems to move in steps of 14.. Either 0 or 14 |
| 20:04.40 | Writchie | i'm not sure they are picking up the setting stored in the GSM modem chipset. |
| 20:04.43 | ixs | ScaredyCat: what would be a better description? |
| 20:05.07 | ScaredyCat | CM :seems odd... |
| 20:05.25 | ScaredyCat | ixs: it works, suspend doesn't |
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| 20:06.00 | ixs | ScaredyCat: that's what I said: pm with the qtopia is basically unusable. |
| 20:06.15 | __Ace__ | cool, is this cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 like telenet? |
| 20:06.16 | ScaredyCat | no, it works |
| 20:06.21 | ScaredyCat | just not 100% |
| 20:06.30 | ScaredyCat | it dims and powers off the screen fine |
| 20:06.32 | Writchie | i don't think STR/resume is yet fully working |
| 20:07.25 | ScaredyCat | not, it's a bit iffy, you can get it to come back but it's touch and go... |
| 20:07.28 | Writchie | ScaredyCat: i haven't got to draw less than 200ma from USB i.e. 1 watt |
| 20:08.33 | CM | It doesn't seem to dim for me.. |
| 20:08.54 | Writchie | CM: mine dims fine that doesn't save all that much power |
| 20:09.00 | LarstiQ | it dimmed for me before I upgraded my kernel, lets see how this one goes |
| 20:09.11 | CM | Writchie: It did when I wasn't having it connected to USB |
| 20:09.24 | CM | I noticed that the profiles were different, but I changed them to be the same |
| 20:09.32 | CM | Anyway, probably my mistake :D |
| 20:09.41 | LarstiQ | yup, still dims |
| 20:09.55 | Writchie | CM: mine is connected to USB and still dimming with np |
| 20:11.23 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers]] |
| 20:12.50 | CM | Writchie: Yeah, working now. I thin I messed something up. That green thing from the start page had disappered too |
| 20:13.00 | CM | Worked after a reboot |
| 20:13.56 | ScaredyCat | CM: I just locked mine, it turned the screen off ok |
| 20:14.12 | CM | Yes, I had messed something up |
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| 20:31.52 | __Ace__ | does this device charge from the USB when connected to a PC? |
| 20:32.10 | __Ace__ | and how do I know how charged it is? |
| 20:32.40 | SpeedEvil | look at the meter on the device |
| 20:32.43 | SpeedEvil | usually |
| 20:34.53 | Elrond | __Ace__ - Yes, the neo can charge from a running PC. |
| 20:38.53 | __Ace__ | something needs to be done with the loading time though |
| 20:39.38 | SpeedEvil | something needs to be done with almost everything. |
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| 20:42.40 | __Ace__ | hm, some games are missing in the 2007.02? |
| 20:44.47 | orzo | how do i explicitly tell the cpu to run slower? |
| 20:45.04 | orzo | is there assembler instructions? |
| 20:46.25 | orzo | I left my neo alone for weeks and then charged it and it works |
| 20:46.54 | orzo | i thought there was a problem where it uses up power while turned off and if the battery runs all the way down, it wont be able to charge |
| 20:47.00 | orzo | Is that not the case? |
| 20:48.20 | Mek | I believe that when the battery is empty it can't boot for enough to be able to charge fast, so it can only use the slow charging mode... |
| 20:49.04 | __Ace__ | having the terminal runing, how do I get the virtual keyboard up= |
| 20:49.05 | __Ace__ | ? |
| 20:49.28 | Mek | click the keyboard icon in the top bar? |
| 20:49.35 | orzo | __Ace__, there's a space to the right at the top bar |
| 20:49.40 | orzo | to the right of the menu button |
| 20:49.49 | orzo | i dont have a keyboard icon on mine |
| 20:49.52 | orzo | its just white |
| 20:50.11 | orzo | i havent installed any updates though |
| 20:50.17 | __Ace__ | same here |
| 20:50.21 | __Ace__ | no keyboard |
| 20:50.28 | orzo | well, you can stil click there, __Ace__ |
| 20:50.30 | orzo | it works |
| 20:50.38 | __Ace__ | I just get some "open applications" list |
| 20:50.42 | orzo | ya |
| 20:50.48 | orzo | try the empty space to the right of that |
| 20:51.12 | __Ace__ | nothing |
| 20:51.31 | DPThought | __Ace__: or if you have a really old build launch input managr from the applicatons menu |
| 20:51.32 | __Ace__ | hmm |
| 20:51.35 | orzo | well mess around with the top bar a lot.. you might find it |
| 20:53.59 | __Ace__ | which one should I use from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories ? |
| 20:54.12 | __Ace__ | gonna reflash it |
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| 20:55.06 | __Ace__ | openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 or OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-P1-August-Snapshot-20070822-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 ? |
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| 20:58.44 | orzo | i dont know, its been a while |
| 20:58.48 | orzo | whatever is the latest |
| 20:59.44 | __Ace__ | they are both in http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/2007.2/ |
| 21:00.38 | __Ace__ | although the longer one is 4 seconds later.. |
| 21:01.13 | Marcel_M | todays builds are from ScaredyCat and celtune |
| 21:01.45 | DPThought | __Ace__: openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 should be fine. Or scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 (used the scaredycat version last) |
| 21:03.01 | Marcel_M | nlsu2 are from today too |
| 21:03.27 | __Ace__ | ah |
| 21:03.33 | __Ace__ | gonna grab them |
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| 21:16.00 | zdanek | hello |
| 21:17.01 | zdanek | anybody knows if I can connect external device to Neo via USB? or is Neo like "external device" to connect to PC? |
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| 21:20.35 | Mek | zdanek: it can be both usb-host and client, so you can connect devices to it, or connect it to your pc |
| 21:20.46 | orzo | zdanek, the neo is both, except most external drives will need a powered usb port, and the neo doesnt have one |
| 21:21.11 | orzo | hm |
| 21:21.38 | orzo | at least, usb flash sticks will need power.. a stand alone hard drive with ac power might work |
| 21:21.52 | mjr | GTA02 will be able to supply power though (the minimum 100 mA) |
| 21:23.23 | mjr | many USB gadgets that power themselves will want to see the 5V on the port to recognize they're plugged in, though, so on GTA01 those won't necessarily work either |
| 21:23.50 | Mek | unless you modify an usb-cable and connect a separate power source to it :) |
| 21:24.00 | mjr | yeah of course without external power feeds |
| 21:24.10 | orzo | Mek, how about a wiki howto page for that, eh? |
| 21:24.20 | zdanek | so if I enpower usb with 5V it should work? |
| 21:24.29 | mjr | I have a three-pronged cable here, I'd just need to modify/adapter the plugs to have a suitable thingy |
| 21:24.33 | mjr | haven't bothered yet |
| 21:25.04 | orzo | is a wall socket charger available for gta01? |
| 21:25.08 | zdanek | and what about debug board - it has 2 usb ports |
| 21:25.35 | zdanek | but I can see, both are connected to uplink so only PC can see them, not Neo -is that right? |
| 21:25.45 | Mek | orzo: no, but you can charge it with any usb charger, but only with the slow 100mA speed... |
| 21:26.18 | zdanek | orzo: there are some wall chargers that have usb socket so you can connect neo to them |
| 21:26.32 | zdanek | I have one with output 500mA |
| 21:26.50 | mjr | it is possible to programmatically tell Neo to take 500 mA from a dumb charger too, though only u-boot can do that at this time and not the Linux kernel |
| 21:26.54 | orzo | teh neo needs a linux/bsd computer in order to charge... it wont even charge from a windows pc |
| 21:27.04 | orzo | so i'm not confident about wall chargers |
| 21:28.12 | mjr | zdanek, that's max output. The Neo won't take 500 mA unless in force fast mode (possible in u-boot, not (yet) Linux, as said) |
| 21:28.13 | orzo | considering teh current low battery life, a wall charger would make it a lot more usable |
| 21:31.06 | zdanek | you can add an option to boot menu to enable fast charge |
| 21:31.18 | zdanek | even, you cad add it to boot args |
| 21:31.20 | mjr | afaik it only enables it for the u-boot |
| 21:31.24 | mjr | but I might be wrong |
| 21:31.30 | zdanek | see uboot in wiki |
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| 21:33.41 | zdanek | orzo: are you definitely sure that neo is usb master too? |
| 21:34.10 | zdanek | I found some descriptions about it's processor and usb part and it was said that this is usb host only |
| 21:34.25 | zdanek | but i'm not sure what it fully means |
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| 21:37.46 | orzo | its not a fuly compliant master since it doesnt power the port. I've not actually used it as a master myself either. But from what i've read, it is intended to be a master as well (albiet not fully compliant) |
| 21:38.25 | orzo | i've only used the usb port to charge and to be a usb network device for ssh and such |
| 21:39.28 | zdanek | ok, the power is not a problem for me, I will solder some power unit but it matters if I can connect for example memory stick |
| 21:39.35 | zdanek | okay I'll try to do so |
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| 21:49.57 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:50.56 | cw666 | Writchie|away: poke |
| 21:54.53 | DPThought | btw. google phone is official. And it will run linux |
| 21:55.07 | rwhitby | DPThought: citation? |
| 21:55.09 | SpeedEvil | But will it be open. |
| 21:55.20 | SpeedEvil | The Motorola A1200 also runs linux. |
| 21:56.06 | rwhitby | DPThought: what has changed this from strong rumour to fact? URL of the reliable source plesae. |
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| 21:56.37 | DPThought | http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/19/digitimes-google-will-definitely-launch-its-own-branded-handset/ |
| 21:56.50 | DPThought | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2007/09/gphone_definite.html |
| 21:57.47 | DPThought | SpeedEvil: right. lets hope... |
| 21:58.04 | rwhitby | thx - I don't doubt it at all - just looking for the "word from the horses mouth", rather than news sites "citing sources" |
| 21:58.31 | rwhitby | that first link is still just someone reporting something that someone else (who isn't Google) has said. |
| 21:59.19 | rwhitby | the second is also a second hand report about "shadowy Taiwanese handset makers" saying something. |
| 21:59.21 | DPThought | well the word definitely sounded very convincing for me :) |
| 21:59.45 | rwhitby | there's a reason they put it in quotes. |
| 21:59.58 | raster | i heard from my pet chipmunk's trainer's 2nd cousin in law's best friend's hair stylist's accountant that google is making a phone |
| 22:00.09 | rwhitby | 'Definitely' does not equate to fact stated from Google. |
| 22:00.25 | DPThought | i don't care |
| 22:00.36 | DPThought | 90% sure is enough for me |
| 22:00.37 | rwhitby | So your characterisation as "official" is a bit strong for the current situation. |
| 22:01.03 | rwhitby | surely it's not "official" till Google states it, right? |
| 22:01.10 | ckueth1 | shall i go ask google at the plex this afternoon? |
| 22:01.12 | rwhitby | I agree with you - it's 99% sure. |
| 22:01.16 | ckueth1 | i'm headed that way anyway... |
| 22:01.35 | rwhitby | ckueth1: please do - then put it on youtube, showing the google employee's badge in the picture. |
| 22:01.45 | rwhitby | *then* it would be somewhat official :-) |
| 22:01.54 | ckueth1 | can't. forgot my camera at home |
| 22:01.57 | dkr | they probably have instructions not to confirm or deny. :) |
| 22:02.02 | ckueth1 | true |
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| 22:02.08 | DPThought | i admit. i had only read the abstract when i wrote this |
| 22:02.20 | ckueth1 | but they probably don't get trained on how to carefully not comment |
| 22:02.25 | rwhitby | DPThought: no probs - it is a very strong rumour :-) |
| 22:02.37 | ckueth1 | ie. control facial expressions and limit voice stress |
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| 22:04.21 | raster | dkr: they have an NDA. that doesnt cover any specific product. it covers everything google does |
| 22:04.45 | raster | they can not confirm or deny ANYTHING that isn't already public and officially released info |
| 22:04.56 | DPThought | so n8 all |
| 22:05.16 | dkr | gu10 n8 |
| 22:05.17 | SpeedEvil | Night. |
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| 22:05.23 | raster | regardless of what you think you may know when they twitch when u ask a question |
| 22:05.28 | raster | that does not an official statement make |
| 22:05.45 | ckueth1 | yes, i know the nda |
| 22:05.48 | ckueth1 | i've seen the nda |
| 22:05.53 | ckueth1 | i've signed the nda |
| 22:06.10 | dkr | I doubt it would be open anyway, google is in the advertising business after all. :) |
| 22:06.40 | rwhitby | right - it will be open except for the things which are required to show the ads, and you won't be able to turn those off. |
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| 22:07.43 | ckueth1 | yeah, like that'll last. |
| 22:08.11 | ckueth1 | it'll probably be implemented server side |
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| 22:08.23 | abraxa_ | Can anyone lend me a hand with getting my Neo online? I followed the manual method on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking but the Neo still can't ping anything except for the host computer |
| 22:08.35 | ckueth1 | your phone must do a bunch of viewing-ad-like-things or your service goes away |
| 22:08.47 | ckueth1 | you don't have to view the ads.... and you don't have to make calls, either |
| 22:09.10 | Elrond | abraxa_ - And the host can ping the neo? |
| 22:09.40 | abraxa_ | Ohh Elrond :) |
| 22:09.44 | abraxa_ | Yeah it can |
| 22:09.47 | rwhitby | ckueth1: but google are not going to sell cheap hardware for an opt-out ad system |
| 22:09.50 | abraxa_ | I can SSH into it just fine |
| 22:10.11 | orzo | you mean you want the neo on the internet? |
| 22:10.14 | orzo | and it isnt? |
| 22:10.14 | folken | abraxa_: you want something like this http://pastebin.com/me3cc368 |
| 22:10.27 | ckueth1 | they're going try to not do that, indeed |
| 22:10.30 | folken | plus you need to set /etc/resolv.conf on the neo |
| 22:10.31 | rwhitby | you can bet that google is the one company with smart enough hackers to actually get an open-but-closed-enough system locked down correctly. |
| 22:10.35 | DPThought | abraxa_: dns working? |
| 22:10.43 | Elrond | abraxa_ - Ahh. 1) Look at "netstat -rn" on the neo (for routing). And then make sure, your host has neo's-default-gateway as IP 2) make your host do NAT. |
| 22:10.52 | rwhitby | i.e. such that you need hardware jtag access to unlock it |
| 22:11.02 | orzo | he'll also likely want routing table rules |
| 22:11.09 | ckueth1 | i'm not confident that they'll succeed in doing so, for long. |
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| 22:11.31 | rwhitby | as long as you successfully stop all software-only hacks, then they wouldn't care about the inredibly small group of people who can jtag |
| 22:11.44 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MacOS_X]] [[Main_Page]] |
| 22:11.45 | ckueth1 | but then again, i'm always pessimistic about DRM-ish things |
| 22:11.46 | abraxa_ | folken: Ah, thanks - resolv.conf is set already |
| 22:12.13 | ckueth1 | stop all software-only hacks = write perfectly bug-free software |
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| 22:12.46 | ckueth1 | not an easy task |
| 22:12.51 | rwhitby | agreed |
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| 22:13.06 | SpeedEvil | You can reduce it damn far. |
| 22:13.14 | SpeedEvil | All the banners run as root |
| 22:13.22 | ckueth1 | yes, it is possible to be careful |
| 22:13.24 | abraxa_ | Elrond: Yeah, the route is set up on the Neo just fine, it seems - I don't have NAT on my host yet (no iptables support in kernel atm) but shouldn't the Neo be able to ping my router (same subnet) at least? |
| 22:13.37 | SpeedEvil | all the user applications - written by google run as an untrusted user, who can't write to those screen areas |
| 22:13.48 | SpeedEvil | the only user-written applications are java |
| 22:14.04 | SpeedEvil | (which also run in a JVM in a chroot as the untrusted user) |
| 22:14.06 | Elrond | abraxa_ - Your host does bridging?! |
| 22:14.57 | folken | abraxa_: if its the same subnet on your ethernet as well as on the usb side.. you should add the subnet ot the ethernet card and do a host only route to the neo. |
| 22:15.00 | abraxa_ | Elrond: Neo is 192.168.0.202, host is 192.168.0.200, router is 192.168.0.100 - shouldn't I be able to ping the router from the Neo even without NAT? (and no bridging) |
| 22:15.10 | SpeedEvil | And you checksum the root filesystem for an approved image on every boot from read-only RAM. |
| 22:15.21 | SpeedEvil | ROM |
| 22:15.29 | Elrond | abraxa_ - No. |
| 22:15.40 | abraxa_ | Oh. |
| 22:15.53 | Lynet | abraxa: No, not in same broadcast domain. |
| 22:16.05 | Elrond | Same subnet on different physcial net := problem. |
| 22:16.13 | Elrond | You need either bridging, or tricky routing. |
| 22:16.28 | Elrond | s/:=/== |
| 22:16.29 | abraxa_ | What's the best way to go about this then? iptables+NAT? |
| 22:16.41 | folken | this is why i never get why they opted to default to 192.168._0_ subnet of all things.. |
| 22:16.58 | DPThought | abraxa_: that would be at least known to work. |
| 22:17.22 | abraxa_ | Okay, thanks a bunch guys :) |
| 22:17.42 | folken | no that will actually not work. The host will not know where to direct the pakets it will want to send to the default route. |
| 22:18.29 | Lynet | It might be possible with some sort of proxy-arp trickery and funny routing. |
| 22:18.49 | DPThought | abraxa_: don't forget conntrack and nat/masquerade and save you some reboots. I needed three new kernel builds until i found out what i missed :)) |
| 22:19.18 | Lynet | But NAT is guaranteed to work, and how to configure it is general knowledge. |
| 22:20.42 | DPThought | linklocal = zeroconf |
| 22:20.52 | folken | mdns is allready in there... |
| 22:21.08 | folken | or rather avaih-daemon. |
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| 22:21.54 | Lynet | linklocal won't get dns and default gw set up, tho. But fine for ssh and such to the phone. |
| 22:22.40 | DPThought | well if you don't have dhcp on your system you probably have no forwarding either :) |
| 22:22.48 | Lynet | Point. :-) |
| 22:22.49 | folken | Lynet: yes thats true. but first it would query for dhcp so you could actually choose on the hostside wheter to provide inet or not. |
| 22:24.30 | Elrond | BTW: Is there anywhere a screen"lock" for the neo? So that the screen is off, but the CPU runs normally? And the screen goes only on after AUX-pressing? |
| 22:24.45 | Elrond | (I want to put the neo in the pocket, but I need the CPU running.) |
| 22:25.12 | folken | Elrond: i think 'only dim' and lock phone in the powerbutton menu is that setting. |
| 22:25.22 | DPThought | imagine you have multiple phones, all the same ip... ;-) |
| 22:25.51 | folken | DPThought: as long as they don't bluescreen... |
| 22:25.52 | Elrond | folken - I had "No PM" and did "lock phone". It did suspend. |
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| 22:26.27 | Mek | hmm... when I run my program as a 'normal' gtk x86 program (but using the openmoko theme) I get completely different icons than when running it in openmoko/qemu... |
| 22:26.29 | folken | Elrond: sorry wrong info then. |
| 22:27.06 | Elrond | folken - No problem. I probably should check the source for this stuff. |
| 22:27.16 | abraxa_ | Mek: That's because the theme doesn't set the stock icons GTK+ uses, so it uses the ones available on your system |
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| 22:27.53 | abraxa_ | DPThought: Yeah... currently I'm fighting with iptables not wanting to be modprobe'd because of some missing kernel symbols. |
| 22:27.53 | Mek | hmm... okay... than I just don't understand why STOCK_PREFERENCE results in a heart on the openmoko.. |
| 22:28.30 | abraxa_ | Mek: Maybe because on OpenMoko, the GTK+ stock icons are all replaced by OpenMoko's own :) |
| 22:29.38 | Mek | okay... but than is there somewhere a list of all aailable stock icons on OpenMoko? :) |
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| 22:32.41 | pavelm | Hello, everyone |
| 22:33.26 | abraxa_ | Heya pavelm |
| 22:34.16 | pavelm | I'm trying to get qtopia to play nicely with my scripts etc... |
| 22:34.29 | pavelm | ...did anyone figure out how to run scripts from their menus? |
| 22:34.42 | pavelm | My backup plan is to launch X when qtopia exists... |
| 22:35.09 | pavelm | ...but I can't figure out working xorg.conf (and flashing om just to get xorg.conf seems like an overkill). |
| 22:35.27 | pavelm | Is working xorg.conf accessible somewhere? |
| 22:35.34 | cw666 | does kdrive even use that? |
| 22:36.42 | Lynet | "Unlike the usual XFree86 server, a KDrive server is completely self-contained: it does not require any configuration files, and will even function if no on-disk fonts are available. All configuration is done at compile time and through command-line flags." |
| 22:38.18 | pavelm | hmm... too bad I'm using x.org in chroot. Will try to see if there's debian package of kdrive. |
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| 22:42.58 | pavelm | not there :-(. If someone got x.org to run on openmoko, please send me your xorg.conf :-) |
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| 22:48.41 | Elrond | pavelm - Hi? |
| 22:51.44 | roh | hey Elrond |
| 22:52.18 | roh | Elrond say.. do you run the gta01bv3 which give you bug 567 on 200 or on 266mhz? |
| 22:54.03 | Elrond | roh - 200 MHz. |
| 22:54.43 | roh | Elrond hm.. ok.. and you do not have the flatcable connected? |
| 22:55.03 | Elrond | roh - I do not even own debugboard/fpc. |
| 22:55.07 | roh | because bv3 still has some data and addresslines on the debug connector |
| 22:55.09 | roh | ok.. |
| 22:55.11 | roh | strange |
| 22:55.28 | Elrond | roh - Note that XorA could reproduce it on bv4. |
| 22:55.55 | roh | oh |
| 22:58.00 | Elrond | I vaguely remember someone else reproducing it too. |
| 22:58.59 | SpeedEvil | what bug? |
| 23:02.02 | pavelm | Hi, elrond! |
| 23:02.02 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - dd if=/dev/mtd2 of=/tmp/kernel.bin && flash not any more accessible. |
| 23:02.07 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 23:02.14 | SpeedEvil | yeah - I hit that sort of thing |
| 23:02.21 | SpeedEvil | I have an old kernel |
| 23:03.03 | mwester | Elrond: I reproduced that the other day too. |
| 23:04.06 | Elrond | mwester - On bv04-from-tw or Bv04-from-china or gta{fill in} ? |
| 23:04.51 | mwester | gta01bv4 |
| 23:05.05 | Elrond | mwester - from china or taiwan? |
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| 23:05.29 | Elrond | (shouldn't matter. q1001 shouldn't make a different for this bug.) |
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| 23:06.58 | Elrond | mwester - If you bought it from openmoko.com, it's from china, if you got it free, it's from taiwan. |
| 23:06.59 | mwester | "Hardware assembly in China" -- is that what you're looking for? |
| 23:07.15 | mwester | Yes, it was purchased in the normal fashion |
| 23:08.16 | Elrond | Ahh. :) |
| 23:08.29 | pavelm | elrond: should there be differences between China and Taiwan versions? |
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| 23:08.50 | Elrond | pavelm - One transistor. |
| 23:08.58 | roh | Elrond not completely.. the versions from taiwan have a red pcb. the ones from china a green one |
| 23:09.18 | Elrond | roh - Ohh, didn't know that. :) |
| 23:09.31 | Elrond | pavelm - So "one transistor" and "other pcb color". |
| 23:10.14 | cw666 | Elrond: that transistor does what? |
| 23:10.36 | pavelm | elrond: aha, the transistor that turns gsm off? |
| 23:10.42 | roh | no. |
| 23:11.05 | mwester | :) |
| 23:11.09 | roh | that transistor is pulling nReset of the gsm low, but provokes a bug thus |
| 23:11.23 | Elrond | pavelm - The transistor, that makes the gsm turn on accidentally. |
| 23:11.55 | mwester | Hmm... so that means that the reset code doesn't actually do anything? |
| 23:12.02 | cw666 | Elrond: interesting, is there more information about this? |
| 23:12.03 | Elrond | mwester - It happens on taiwan-bv3 too. |
| 23:12.09 | cw666 | ie. if you have a red pcb is it useful to remove it? |
| 23:12.22 | Elrond | cw666 - It would be useful to remove it, yes. |
| 23:12.26 | mwester | That would explain why it made so little difference while I was messing with gsmd! :-D |
| 23:12.40 | Elrond | cw666 - More info: From roh directly, or from "me" as in "roh told it to me and others". |
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| 23:14.09 | Elrond | roh - Could you reproduce "my" bug on any hardware near you? |
| 23:14.27 | cw666 | Elrond: so the red pcb versions have it and that causes the gsm modem to power up by itself? |
| 23:14.40 | Elrond | cw666 - Basicly: Yes. |
| 23:14.55 | cw666 | Elrond: is there a pic of where on the board it is? |
| 23:15.16 | Elrond | cw666 - I don't know of any pic. |
| 23:15.31 | pavelm | Hmmm, removing transistor sounds easy :-) |
| 23:15.32 | cw666 | Elrond: also, does this transistor mean that poking gsm-pm/power in sysfs will actually power up/down the gsm module? |
| 23:15.50 | cw666 | Elrond: well, can you tell us which one it is then by part# or something i can see on the screen printing |
| 23:15.59 | cw666 | or even by connection to something i can trace? |
| 23:16.04 | Elrond | cw666 - The transistor is not involved in sysfs-power. |
| 23:16.27 | cw666 | Elrond: ah ok, so it's just that it powers it up when you insert the battery then i take it? |
| 23:16.45 | Elrond | Not really. |
| 23:16.48 | Elrond | Let me remember. |
| 23:16.53 | Elrond | Ahh, it's the other way round. |
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| 23:17.04 | Elrond | Okay: |
| 23:17.18 | Elrond | - You power up the gsm. |
| 23:17.25 | Elrond | - Then you try to go to suspend. |
| 23:17.40 | Elrond | - going to suspend gives some glichtes on some lines. |
| 23:17.45 | pavelm | That LCD is crazy. I started x.org on it, and now it flickers way too much. |
| 23:17.56 | Elrond | - One of those lines is connected (via the q1001) to some port on the gsm. |
| 23:17.59 | pavelm | ...like an old tv. |
| 23:18.11 | Elrond | - gsm says "huh". And sends some data on the serial link. |
| 23:18.20 | Elrond | - cpu wakes up again due to data. |
| 23:18.23 | Elrond | - Suspend over. |
| 23:18.48 | pavelm | elrond: Hmm, that's bad. |
| 23:19.06 | Elrond | In other words: It's not easy / nearly impossible to suspend a Bv04-from-taiwan while the gsm is up. |
| 23:19.15 | Elrond | Which is exactly, what you want on a "normal phone". |
| 23:19.34 | pavelm | does it _always_ glitch like that, or is there a chance that it works okay? |
| 23:19.41 | pavelm | ...we could just retry suspending few times ;-) |
| 23:20.04 | pavelm | ...any values for powerconsumption "screen off, as low power as possible, but not suspended"? |
| 23:20.21 | SpeedEvil | I got 80mW |
| 23:20.25 | Elrond | pavelm - I don't know. |
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| 23:20.31 | cw666 | Elrond: and the red pcb has the transistor and thr green do not? |
| 23:20.39 | SpeedEvil | undervolted to 1.8V, 100Mhz clock, |
| 23:20.49 | SpeedEvil | backlight, GSM, bluetooth, GPS off |
| 23:20.54 | Elrond | cw666 - That's how I understand roh, yes. |
| 23:21.02 | SpeedEvil | Oops |
| 23:21.04 | SpeedEvil | 80mA |
| 23:21.22 | SpeedEvil | Something like that. |
| 23:21.30 | SpeedEvil | So, 350mW or so. |
| 23:21.33 | pavelm | 80mA @ 4V -> 320mW |
| 23:22.21 | pavelm | 1200mA battery, 80mA => >12hours battery life. Not nice, but comparable to my first phone ;-) |
| 23:22.22 | Elrond | That's CPU alone? |
| 23:22.30 | SpeedEvil | That's for the whole thing. |
| 23:22.35 | SpeedEvil | measured at the battery |
| 23:22.37 | SpeedEvil | idle |
| 23:22.38 | raster | not very useful |
| 23:22.41 | raster | no gsm powered up |
| 23:22.46 | raster | so u cant recieve a call or sms |
| 23:22.55 | SpeedEvil | GSM powered up adds 15mW or so. |
| 23:23.12 | Elrond | mW or mA? |
| 23:23.15 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 23:23.27 | SpeedEvil | Sorry, I think that's mA again. |
| 23:23.40 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Any idea on the gps addition? |
| 23:23.45 | SpeedEvil | Umm. |
| 23:24.04 | SpeedEvil | I got about 50mA - but that's not a state you'd want it to be in. |
| 23:24.17 | SpeedEvil | It was just the state after I kill -9'd the gll binary |
| 23:24.32 | Elrond | hehe. |
| 23:24.38 | Elrond | And with gllin running? |
| 23:24.52 | Elrond | (which would make a nice gps logger) |
| 23:25.09 | SpeedEvil | From memory - about the same CPU use as mp3 playing - which was about 80% at 100Mhz |
| 23:25.12 | SpeedEvil | 180mA or so. |
| 23:25.34 | SpeedEvil | I have doubts that all the clocks are set optimally |
| 23:25.38 | SpeedEvil | and the dividers |
| 23:25.55 | Elrond | About 6 hours of gps logging. :) |
| 23:26.19 | SpeedEvil | Or rather more if you only take occasional positions. |
| 23:26.59 | pavelm | Elrond: It is already very useful as an GPS logger. |
| 23:27.02 | pavelm | Okay, I guess I should get some sleep... |
| 23:27.12 | Elrond | Well, I like mapping tracks in the wood. I want lots of points. ;o) |
| 23:27.24 | SpeedEvil | My experience of the neo GPS has not been great. |
| 23:27.26 | Elrond | pavelm - Yeah. :-) |
| 23:27.33 | SpeedEvil | It may simply be my poor mounting. |
| 23:27.59 | SpeedEvil | but it's most prone to overshoot on decelleration of any GPS I have. |
| 23:28.05 | SpeedEvil | I need to do more testing though. |
| 23:28.43 | SpeedEvil | As in brake from 40MPH to 0 over 4 seconds, and the track occasionally continues on for 70m or so. |
| 23:28.52 | pavelm | speed: it certainly works better than fortuna bluetooth gps... |
| 23:28.59 | andylockran | if the cpu uses 80% when playing music... and the same when using GPS - can one use GPS & Music at the same time? |
| 23:29.00 | happycube | how bad is that one? |
| 23:29.08 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - I have that same while walking! ;o) |
| 23:29.08 | SpeedEvil | andylockran: at 100Mhz |
| 23:29.19 | andylockran | sorry.. |
| 23:29.24 | SpeedEvil | You walk at 40MPH! |
| 23:29.27 | SpeedEvil | Wow! |
| 23:29.29 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:29.38 | mrface | hey guys, I seem to be getting an ip address with gprs just fine, but I keep getting host name lookup errors when I try to ping something |
| 23:29.50 | happycube | check /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 23:29.51 | SpeedEvil | fix /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 23:29.57 | SpeedEvil | Adding the line |
| 23:30.00 | mrface | SpeedEvil: how? |
| 23:30.02 | SpeedEvil | nameserver 1.32.3.4 |
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| 23:30.08 | mrface | ok |
| 23:30.13 | SpeedEvil | where the address is a nameserver you can use |
| 23:30.27 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - No, normal walking speed. Like 5km/h or so. |
| 23:30.28 | mrface | how do I know a nameserver I can use? |
| 23:30.35 | happycube | 4.2.2.1 |
| 23:31.18 | SpeedEvil | Isn't that a root nameserver that won't do recursive queries? |
| 23:31.55 | SpeedEvil | mrface: what's your phone provider? |
| 23:32.01 | mrface | t-mobile usa |
| 23:32.25 | mrface | the server ip says it's 10.0.0.1 |
| 23:35.50 | mrface | I had a suspicion that was the problem so I looked for t-mobile nameservers, but nothing I tried made it work |
| 23:36.03 | mrface | should I be able to ping the ip I use as a nameserver? |
| 23:36.21 | pavelm | good night |
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| 23:39.17 | abraxa_ | Oh isn't linux great sometimes... I install iptables support in the kernel and upon reboot my wlan causes kernel panics when accessed |
| 23:40.28 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - 10m overshot, I'd say. |
| 23:43.12 | SpeedEvil | I need to setup a proper mount. |
| 23:43.28 | SpeedEvil | I've got a magnetic camera mount sorted for my camera, I can probably put the neo on that. |
| 23:43.46 | SpeedEvil | Several hard disk magnets + screws + wood = win. |
| 23:43.47 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - I had the neo in my hand, while doing that track. Mostly looks good, but the overshots are crap. |
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| 23:44.30 | SpeedEvil | If it gets a wrong position, it seems to hold onto it for several seconds in the model. |
| 23:45.02 | SpeedEvil | It took about 10s before it merged with my other GPS track. |
| 23:45.24 | SpeedEvil | Of course, it's all just software... |
| 23:46.05 | Elrond | Which reminds me to continue somewhat with the RE effort. |
| 23:47.36 | Elrond | But yes, it's somewhat, what I dislike about gllin: No parameters to configure it. With the sirf3, you have way too many params to change its models. |
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