| 00:02.58 | Marcel_M | mickeyl: i dont know if it´s solved already but you can fing a working squashfs.patch at http://celtune.morb-design.com/squashfs.patch or a kernel-module.ipk at http://celtune.morb-design.com/ipk/fic-gta01/kernel-module-squashfs_2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937-r2_fic-gta01.ipk |
| 00:03.17 | Marcel_M | but not tested the ipk |
| 00:04.03 | mickeyl | thanks Marcel_M |
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| 00:04.16 | Marcel_M | np |
| 00:04.48 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, I needed to patch elfutils for it to compile. a trivial fix. a gcc warning treated as error stopped the whole process |
| 00:04.57 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, should I create a bug on OE? |
| 00:05.01 | mickeyl | Ghiottone: yes, please |
| 00:10.28 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 00:11.40 | Ghiottone | hello rwhitby |
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| 00:17.04 | Casten | hello rwhitby |
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| 00:19.00 | Casten | if anyone has a moment, any ideas what is causing this, I'm not quite experienced enough to figure out build failures |
| 00:19.09 | Casten | casten@dell:~/moko$ make openmoko-devel-image |
| 00:19.09 | Casten | ( cd build && . ../setup-env && \ |
| 00:19.09 | Casten | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.09 | Casten | NOTE: Handling BitBake files: \ (4687/4687) [100 %] |
| 00:19.09 | Casten | NOTE: Parsing finished. 4460 cached, 0 parsed, 227 skipped, 0 masked. |
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| 00:19.27 | orpheus | outch |
| 00:19.39 | Casten | sorry for the spam |
| 00:19.51 | orpheus | pastebin? |
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| 00:20.28 | Casten | hmm, guess that would be sendfile? |
| 00:21.01 | orpheus | use something like http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 00:23.14 | Casten | ok, here's the log http://pastebin.ca/701354 |
| 00:24.11 | Marcel_M | night |
| 00:24.13 | orpheus | nice hostname, my computer is an equally unimaginitave 'sony' |
| 00:24.25 | Casten | hehe |
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| 00:25.07 | Casten | actually, this is a preinstalled Ubuntu from dell, even less creative than you think |
| 00:25.18 | orpheus | wow |
| 00:25.30 | orpheus | it's cool that they really started doing that |
| 00:25.54 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, bug for elfutils created with fix attached. number is 3023 |
| 00:25.59 | Casten | yeah, perfect for this project, now if I could just get it to finish a build |
| 00:26.07 | orpheus | yeah |
| 00:26.38 | orpheus | have you tried doing an update on the mokomakefile stuff (just in case) |
| 00:26.46 | Casten | yes, several times |
| 00:27.18 | Casten | i've restarted the process many times from the beginning as per the moko page |
| 00:27.22 | orpheus | so that works, and a 'make setup' works... |
| 00:27.27 | Casten | yes |
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| 00:28.22 | mickeyl | do you have all the required software installed? |
| 00:28.24 | mickeyl | /home/casten/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ltrace-0.4-r1/temp/run.do_compile.5043: 38: INSTALL: not found |
| 00:28.27 | mickeyl | looks a bit strange to me |
| 00:28.41 | Casten | as far as I know, everything is installed |
| 00:29.25 | Casten | is INSTALL a tool? I wasn't sure what that meant. |
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| 00:29.25 | orpheus | mickeyl: i built everything alright, and i don't have an INSTALL |
| 00:29.40 | mickeyl | well, INSTALL in caps would be a sign of a placeholder |
| 00:29.56 | mickeyl | which in turn makes me suspect something can't be found |
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| 00:31.22 | orpheus | casten: you've 'apt-get install'ed everything from that list, right? |
| 00:31.45 | orpheus | bb is running: oe_runmake LDFLAGS=${TARGET_LDFLAGS} LIBS="-lsupc++ -liberty -Wl,-Bstatic -l |
| 00:31.45 | orpheus | elf -Wl,-Bdynamic" ${EXTRA_OEMAKE} ARCH= |
| 00:31.55 | Casten | yes |
| 00:31.58 | orpheus | errk, that's didn't work |
| 00:32.01 | orpheus | *that |
| 00:32.02 | orpheus | ok |
| 00:32.28 | Casten | I see it complains about libiberty also |
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| 00:33.28 | orpheus | yeah |
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| 00:34.52 | orpheus | you know where it first dies |
| 00:35.09 | orpheus | build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ltrace-0.4-r1/temp/log.do_compile.5043 |
| 00:35.13 | orpheus | line 38 |
| 00:35.34 | orpheus | can you drop that file into another pastebin? |
| 00:35.42 | Casten | sure |
| 00:35.51 | orpheus | my line 38 in the same file is actually blank |
| 00:36.00 | orpheus | so i think it's line 37 that's really dying |
| 00:36.08 | orpheus | but i kinda want to see what the differences are |
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| 00:38.35 | Casten | pastebin.com/d1633e873 |
| 00:39.26 | orpheus | oh |
| 00:39.26 | Casten | looks like a liberty complaint |
| 00:39.30 | orpheus | sorry |
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| 00:40.04 | orpheus | i meant, can you paste the actual file 'moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ltrace-0.4-r1/temp/run.do_compile.5043', into a pastebin |
| 00:40.40 | orpheus | 'cause that's where it's hitting the INSTALL command that it doesn't know how to handle |
| 00:42.46 | Casten | pastebin.ca/701372 |
| 00:43.43 | Ghiottone | goodnight all |
| 00:43.51 | orpheus | that's... odd |
| 00:43.52 | Casten | night Ghio |
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| 00:44.07 | orpheus | your line 38 is exactly the same as mine |
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| 00:44.21 | Casten | hmm |
| 00:45.20 | orpheus | so I guess INSTALL is being defined on my build, but not on yours |
| 00:45.39 | Casten | Any idea where that gets defined? |
| 00:45.47 | orpheus | not really... |
| 00:46.01 | Casten | what's the syntax for an emote? |
| 00:46.12 | orpheus | :( ? |
| 00:46.34 | Casten | * casten tries to do an emote. |
| 00:46.50 | orpheus | so, ltrace is a package that's something like half way through the build, right? |
| 00:47.16 | Casten | I imagine, I can't be sure since I've never completed a build. |
| 00:47.51 | Casten | I got my phone a few weeks ago and haven't been able to build and flash it up. |
| 00:48.00 | Casten | Pretty sad. |
| 00:48.03 | orpheus | "NOTE: Running task 2670 of 3476" |
| 00:48.43 | orpheus | so, yeah, it's not like your build environment is really broken, otherwise one of the first 2669 tasks should have failed |
| 00:48.52 | Mek | hmm... I'm at 695 of 4795 :P |
| 00:48.59 | orpheus | heh |
| 00:49.12 | orpheus | casten: you do know there are pre-built images, right? |
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| 00:49.25 | Casten | yeah, looks like task 2669 is the failure point for me |
| 00:49.53 | Casten | yeah, but what I am going to be doing will require me to modify the system image |
| 00:50.07 | orpheus | ok |
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| 00:50.30 | orpheus | as in, something that can't be done after the first boot? |
| 00:50.37 | orpheus | makes sense |
| 00:51.01 | Casten | I suppose I could just do some app testing for now with a prebuilt image, but I would prefer to have everything building first, maybe I should just give up. |
| 00:51.15 | orpheus | well, it oughta work |
| 00:51.19 | orpheus | one sec |
| 00:51.25 | orpheus | my build just died now... |
| 00:51.56 | Casten | hmmm, really? |
| 00:52.16 | orpheus | looks like it was for a different reason |
| 00:52.34 | orpheus | "sh: oe_sha256sum: command not found" |
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| 00:53.55 | orpheus | it's been a while since I updated everything... |
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| 00:54.49 | Casten | The built files are up at ftp.openmoko.org or something like that? |
| 00:55.01 | orpheus | urm, sounds right |
| 00:55.28 | orpheus | it's linked somewhere from one of the "so you just got your phone and want to flash it" pages |
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| 00:56.41 | notserpe | what is the fastest build anyone has done or seen? |
| 00:57.16 | daMaestro | 5 days |
| 00:57.50 | Writchie | notserpe: about 10 hours |
| 00:58.07 | Casten | what sort of machine was it on? |
| 00:59.44 | Writchie | amd64 3500+ 1GB RAM |
| 01:00.19 | Writchie | running in 32 bit mode |
| 01:02.17 | Casten | I have an old 8 processor Proliant server in the back, 800 Mhz with 3 10krpm scsi disks, I wonder how fast that would do it. |
| 01:05.27 | orpheus | awesome |
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| 01:10.49 | juri_ | sweet. |
| 01:11.18 | juri_ | i dont have any 8cpu boxen myself. just 2 and 4 core. |
| 01:11.55 | Casten | Ok, I'm deleting everything except the OE.mtn and starting over |
| 01:12.25 | Casten | The thing roars like a hurricane when you fire it up. |
| 01:13.35 | juri_ | i try and keep my livingroom at a low roar. |
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| 01:18.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2985 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser/: Add a meaningless directory. |
| 01:20.34 | orpheus | casten: sorry about that, phonecall |
| 01:20.36 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2986 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/ (openmoko-browser/ openmoko-browser2/): Version 1 is complete, let us start the 2nd one |
| 01:20.45 | mickeyl | haha |
| 01:20.52 | orpheus | awesome |
| 01:21.00 | mickeyl | RAD |
| 01:21.03 | mickeyl | rapid application development |
| 01:21.38 | orpheus | casten: i've been doing all my building in ~/moko2; ~/moko contains a first attempt that didn't work, but i wasn't ready to give up and delete it yet. |
| 01:21.59 | Casten | orpheus: np |
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| 01:22.19 | t00na | hi! |
| 01:22.28 | Casten | I gave up, nuked everything and am starting from near scratch |
| 01:22.31 | orpheus | also, what kinda machine do you have? are they all 8 xeon's? |
| 01:22.50 | orpheus | that's actually quite a fair bit of horsepower |
| 01:22.58 | Casten | For this I am using a core duo laptop. |
| 01:22.59 | t00na | Can the Neo1973 in its current form be used as an actual cell phone? |
| 01:22.59 | aloril | t00na: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 01:23.18 | t00na | aloril: botsnack |
| 01:23.54 | Casten | The proliant is a very old machine, only 800mhz long before xeon |
| 01:23.55 | orpheus | just saying, many build systems (i don't know about bitbake) can do magic parallalism with 8 processors |
| 01:24.14 | orpheus | ah |
| 01:24.20 | orpheus | if it's a proliant, it'll never die |
| 01:24.55 | orpheus | mine's actually quad 700's, and they're all xeon's... not the modern xeon's of course, just the pIII-based ones |
| 01:25.01 | Casten | still might be able to keep with a coreduo though, but I'm not going to waste any time with it, I'd like to get it building on a normal machine |
| 01:25.15 | orpheus | makes sense |
| 01:25.20 | orpheus | bt the way |
| 01:25.36 | orpheus | i can't get ltrace to build now either |
| 01:25.57 | Casten | hmmm, want to submit a bug? |
| 01:26.15 | orpheus | well, i've actually got some other problem |
| 01:26.28 | orpheus | and even after an update of everything, it's still toasted |
| 01:26.41 | orpheus | oe_sha256sum is my problem, to be exact |
| 01:26.50 | orpheus | it should be in my path, but is not |
| 01:27.39 | Casten | With a build system this large, it would be nice to have daily fully automated builds, but there's probably not resources. |
| 01:27.59 | t00na | hello? |
| 01:28.06 | Casten | Hi t00na |
| 01:28.07 | orpheus | hi |
| 01:28.16 | rwhitby | Casten: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/ is a continuous openmoko builder |
| 01:28.29 | t00na | Hi, can the current Neo1973 be used as an actual cell phone? |
| 01:28.31 | orpheus | someone else was saying that they ... yeah. that. |
| 01:28.45 | Casten | ah, well, maybe it will choke in the next 10 hours |
| 01:29.03 | orpheus | t00na: there is currently some issues with certain SIM cards, let me find the link |
| 01:29.14 | t00na | okay |
| 01:29.24 | Casten | t00no: I think there is a faq that says wait for the next version ina few months. |
| 01:29.38 | t00na | great. |
| 01:29.46 | rwhitby | Casten: why do you think it will choke? |
| 01:30.01 | t00na | And at some point, will these end up being sold by other retailers? |
| 01:30.05 | t00na | namely Amazon? |
| 01:30.45 | Casten | rwhitby: Oh, orpheus said they too had problems with ltrace |
| 01:31.29 | Casten | t00na: I wouldn't bet on it t00na, not for a while.. but I am not an authority, just my guess. |
| 01:31.55 | t00na | oh. okay. |
| 01:32.32 | rwhitby | Casten: nope, the only failure on the autobuilder is the libsdl-net one |
| 01:32.33 | orpheus | t00na: at the same time, openmoko did well enough about getting mine here |
| 01:32.58 | t00na | cool. |
| 01:33.18 | t00na | Well as soon as it's practical for someone like me to do so, I'll snatch one up as soon as I have the money. |
| 01:34.11 | Casten | rwhitby: Ok, I am trying a clean build, it's hard for me to determine my problem. Orpheus just said they had a problem also. |
| 01:34.45 | orpheus | t00na: they are fun to hack on: I've already gotten a usb hub plugged into mine (using the usb port on the side as a usb root hub) |
| 01:35.12 | t00na | Hm... I didn't know that they used GTK |
| 01:35.20 | t00na | why GTK? |
| 01:35.35 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2987 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/ (15 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:35.35 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 2007-09-07 Holger Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 01:35.35 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Add buildsystem and stubs for the OpenMoko browser |
| 01:35.35 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * AUTHORS: Added. |
| 01:35.35 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * COPYING: Added. |
| 01:35.36 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * Makefile.am: Added. |
| 01:35.40 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * NEWS: Added. |
| 01:35.42 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2988 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/ (.gitignore po/.gitignore src/.gitignore src/main.c): |
| 01:35.45 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 2007-09-16 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 01:35.47 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Ignore certain autogenerated files. |
| 01:35.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * .gitignore: Added. |
| 01:35.51 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 01:35.53 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * po/.gitignore: Added. |
| 01:35.55 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/.gitignore: Added. |
| 01:35.57 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2989 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:36.00 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 2007-09-16 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 01:36.02 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Create the browser skeleton. It compiles but is not |
| 01:36.04 | CIA-23 | openmoko: doing anything useful. |
| 01:36.06 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 01:36.15 | t00na | what the hell? |
| 01:36.18 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: |
| 01:36.20 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/browser-data.h: Added. |
| 01:36.21 | t00na | CIA-23: try pastebin |
| 01:36.22 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2990 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 01:36.25 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 2007-09-16 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 01:36.27 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Document some of the bits that were discussed with |
| 01:36.29 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Ellen last Monday. |
| 01:36.31 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * documentation/design/GuiDesign: Added. |
| 01:36.33 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * documentation/design/MainTasks: |
| 01:36.35 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2991 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:36.38 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 2007-09-16 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 01:36.40 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Start implementing the "Current Page". We start with |
| 01:36.43 | orpheus | t00na: it looks like a subversion-commit bot |
| 01:36.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: providing the default actions for navigation. |
| 01:36.46 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: |
| 01:36.48 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/browser-data.h: |
| 01:36.50 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/current-page.c: Added. |
| 01:36.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2992 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/ (ChangeLog src/main.c): |
| 01:36.55 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 2007-09-17 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 01:36.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Use g_new0 to initialize the BrowserData. |
| 01:37.01 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/main.c: |
| 01:37.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (main): |
| 01:37.04 | t00na | somebody needs to kick the bot |
| 01:37.05 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2993 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:37.05 | mjr | t00na, hm, USB host mode on the Neo working? |
| 01:37.07 | mickeyl | should be over soon |
| 01:37.08 | CIA-23 | (76 lines omitted) |
| 01:37.13 | orpheus | mrj |
| 01:37.15 | orpheus | yep |
| 01:37.16 | zecke | eight more revs :} |
| 01:37.17 | mjr | CIA-23, well thanks for that! |
| 01:37.40 | t00na | CIA-23: thanks for omitting the extra 76 lines :) |
| 01:37.41 | orpheus | mrj: i've got a keyboard and mouse plugged into mine |
| 01:37.43 | mjr | orpheus, oh yeah, I meant you of course |
| 01:37.49 | mjr | orpheus, nice |
| 01:38.17 | mjr | can you switch host/gadget on the fly yet? |
| 01:38.40 | orpheus | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host |
| 01:38.45 | orpheus | hurmm? |
| 01:39.12 | orpheus | (i submitted the updated patch as a bug, since i don't know the right place to put it) |
| 01:39.20 | orpheus | switch host/gadget? |
| 01:40.25 | mjr | meaning does the driver now know how to switch between usb host and gadget modes without, say, rebooting |
| 01:41.07 | t00na | CIA-23: botsnack |
| 01:42.01 | t00na | do none of the bots in here have botsnack? |
| 01:42.04 | t00na | !botsnack |
| 01:42.04 | orpheus | mjr: it should go from host to device (haven't actually really tried), but going from device to host is as simple as an 'echo' to a sys knob |
| 01:42.14 | mjr | orpheus, handy |
| 01:42.17 | orpheus | yep |
| 01:42.33 | orpheus | i'm consoled in over ip-over-bt |
| 01:43.11 | orpheus | and i've been trying to get a kernel compiled with support for my usb camera for about 3 days |
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| 01:47.57 | orpheus | anyways, nice chatting with all |
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| 01:48.04 | orpheus | but it's going-home time for me |
| 01:48.12 | Casten | night Orph |
| 01:48.37 | orpheus | casten: good luck building, since now neither of us can.... :( |
| 01:48.43 | orpheus | i'm leaving a build running |
| 01:48.51 | Casten | ok, you too |
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| 01:59.25 | mickeyl | g'night |
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| 02:04.37 | alphaone | good night mickey|zzZZzz |
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| 03:29.39 | happycube | cesarb - that patch worked, thanks |
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| 06:09.46 | ljp | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5429713730.html |
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| 06:10.30 | *** topic/#openmoko by wayg -> http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/ind The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com |
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| 06:13.36 | bedboi | wtf |
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| 06:13.45 | bedboi | what's this http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/ind |
| 06:13.53 | ljp | spam |
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| 06:14.24 | xaid | flash-based sim city? |
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| 06:15.14 | rob_w|laptop | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5429713730.html ieehhh .. finally Trolltech found the GTA |
| 06:15.50 | xaid | hmm, i think im wrong, maybe just a representation of an existing city or something :) |
| 06:16.16 | CM | ljp: Interesting, the more the merrier :) |
| 06:17.36 | *** topic/#openmoko by bedboi -> The OpenMoko Project - http://openmoko.org - Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at https://direct.openmoko.com |
| 06:19.26 | bedboi | what's your favorite photo gallery application? |
| 06:20.22 | Psi | heh @ idea of ROTARY dialer app |
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| 06:20.40 | cw666 | Psi: there is some value in a non-grid arrangement of dialer input |
| 06:20.50 | Psi | id agree there |
| 06:20.59 | cw666 | people have done research in the past and found a grid sucks for humans in some ways |
| 06:21.35 | Psi | i think the guy on the list was suggesting a old rotary pulse dialing like control :P |
| 06:22.37 | baird | I'd like to see a 'dasher' interface... |
| 06:23.05 | Psi | has anything happened in the past week, ive not been in here |
| 06:23.36 | Psi | any new apps, critical bugs fixed etc. |
| 06:23.59 | CM | I noticed that alphaone checked in navit last night :) |
| 06:24.45 | CM | And the mediaplayer is in the default image it seems |
| 06:24.59 | cw666 | gsmd got some fixes |
| 06:25.13 | cw666 | though they didnt work for me, ihave to check mickey|zzZZzz's next build i guess |
| 06:25.22 | Psi | nice |
| 06:25.42 | CM | Still not working for me. Only one image I've ever been able to call with, and that was two weeks ago |
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| 06:26.02 | CM | I haven't had any icons in the panel lately either |
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| 06:26.27 | ljp | http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-09-17.9260755578 |
| 06:28.36 | guaqua | i'm thinking neo is just too good of a platform to miss |
| 06:29.22 | tuukkah | too much traction to miss too :-) |
| 06:30.54 | guaqua | :) |
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| 06:35.34 | Syk1 | I can get to trolltech ftp server |
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| 06:52.48 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 06:55.50 | ebbe | moin? |
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| 06:59.30 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:00.04 | ebbe | Good morning to you too :) |
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| 07:05.41 | jsmanrique | good morning ;-) |
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| 07:09.58 | buz | qtopia goes gpl http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2007/09/18/qtopia-phone-is-completely-gpl/ |
| 07:10.24 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 07:10.50 | ScaredyCat | you mean we might get working software! |
| 07:11.11 | buz | we might ;9 |
| 07:11.14 | ScaredyCat | good to see they're supproting the neo though |
| 07:11.19 | ScaredyCat | supporting |
| 07:11.58 | ScaredyCat | so, surely now that it's gpl - I should be able to just dl a copy |
| 07:12.46 | ScaredyCat | when they say 'completely' they mean all of it everything , the whole chicken |
| 07:12.47 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 07:12.55 | buz | oh and they have ported it to neo |
| 07:13.01 | buz | so where's the image |
| 07:13.46 | CM | buz: Ask ljp ;) |
| 07:13.51 | ScaredyCat | should be here at end of oct... |
| 07:13.58 | ScaredyCat | they need a mirror |
| 07:14.01 | ScaredyCat | or two |
| 07:14.05 | ScaredyCat | morning CM |
| 07:14.11 | CM | Good morning |
| 07:14.12 | buz | uhm how about sourceforge ;) |
| 07:14.14 | ljp | yes, everything |
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| 07:15.05 | buz | but qtopia renders to the framebuffer directly, right? |
| 07:15.10 | ljp | yes |
| 07:15.26 | buz | which is kinda sad considering we get a gpu real soon now (tm) |
| 07:15.30 | ebbe | Preview-image for the openmoko ftp://ftp.trolltech.com/qtopia/tech-preview/ (can't connect right now) |
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| 07:16.25 | ljp | i haven tyet uploaded the flash image |
| 07:18.37 | ljp | its a long way from australia to oslo |
| 07:20.07 | buz | lol |
| 07:20.17 | buz | and ping times suck |
| 07:21.10 | CM | Using RFC 1149 or what? |
| 07:22.47 | jeddy3 | hehehe CPIP =) |
| 07:22.57 | ljp | carrier pigeon |
| 07:24.31 | ScaredyCat | http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ |
| 07:25.04 | ScaredyCat | i still think htey have way to much time on their hands in .no ;) |
| 07:25.46 | CM | ScaredyCat: I know they do ;) |
| 07:25.54 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 07:26.45 | RalphEichelberge | allright: checking for jpeg_destroy_decompress in -ljpeg... no |
| 07:27.09 | RalphEichelberge | apt-get install ...? what? |
| 07:28.01 | ScaredyCat | have they made my new car yet CM ? |
| 07:28.04 | RalphEichelberge | someone integrated a new package - now I have to install a new library -right? |
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| 07:28.30 | CM | ScaredyCat: Nope, they're out of the v8 engines ;) |
| 07:28.49 | ScaredyCat | bah! |
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| 07:28.52 | Any_Key|work | RalphEichelberge, libgtk2.0-dev |
| 07:29.00 | ScaredyCat | I thought you were supposed to stop that happening |
| 07:29.03 | RalphEichelberge | thx Any_key! |
| 07:29.28 | CM | ScaredyCat: I am, but the last 4 weeks are up to the factory :) |
| 07:29.48 | RalphEichelberge | no - thats allready here |
| 07:29.59 | RalphEichelberge | any suggestions, guys? |
| 07:30.09 | ScaredyCat | so it's not going to happen again then ... promise? ;) |
| 07:31.18 | ScaredyCat | RalphEichelberge: this help? http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-list/2005-January/msg00176.html |
| 07:31.56 | CM | RalphEichelberge: What about libjpeg? I think it's called jpeg only in gentoo at least |
| 07:32.51 | RalphEichelberge | i am running ubuntu |
| 07:33.09 | RalphEichelberge | and there is no libjpeg / libjpg / jpeg |
| 07:33.18 | RalphEichelberge | i tried that allready |
| 07:33.57 | RalphEichelberge | isnt there a kinf of depenency for new integrated packages/moduls? |
| 07:34.02 | RalphEichelberge | kind* |
| 07:34.30 | RalphEichelberge | JPEG loader will not be build |
| 07:34.57 | guaqua | RalphEichelberge: search the ubuntu package database |
| 07:35.04 | guaqua | packages.ubuntu.com |
| 07:35.43 | CM | RalphEichelberge: It's increadible how much trouble you have building it. Must be something rotten with that computer you're on. ;) |
| 07:35.55 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:35.55 | ScaredyCat | libpango1.0-dev |
| 07:36.29 | ScaredyCat | mesages on the ml |
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| 07:48.10 | ScaredyCat | downloads.openmoko.org broken yet again? |
| 07:48.13 | RalphEichelberge | I installed mlibjpeg-dev now - i'll let you know if it does the trick |
| 07:48.29 | ScaredyCat | all that money spent on a new getup and it's still bloody useless |
| 07:49.25 | RalphEichelberge | sorry it was mlibjpegtools |
| 07:49.47 | RalphEichelberge | and libjpeg62-dev |
| 07:51.16 | RalphEichelberge | seems do work :) |
| 07:53.59 | tuukkah | ScaredyCat, perhaps it just needs to be tweaked |
| 07:54.19 | ScaredyCat | it needs a damn good kicking |
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| 08:14.12 | abraxa_ | Anyone else flashing the Neo from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/ and noticed startup times of more than 3 minutes? |
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| 08:16.43 | CM | abraxa_: I build my own image yesterday, and yes it was awfully slow to start up |
| 08:17.05 | tuukkah | can you get a new bootchart for it? |
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| 08:20.24 | RalphEichelberge | is there a way to "mount -t jffs2 " the build image? |
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| 08:22.07 | CM | RalphEichelberge: I've seen people discuss it here, and theremight be something about it in the wiki |
| 08:23.17 | abraxa_ | Actually, my Neo hung... no way does it take > 10 minutes to load |
| 08:23.26 | CM | RalphEichelberge: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image |
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| 08:25.15 | RalphEichelberge | i found a wiki at maemo.org/community/wiki/ModifyingRootImage, but I dont know if thats what i need? |
| 08:26.05 | gordonsyme | RalphEichelberge: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image |
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| 08:27.16 | gordonsyme | CM: whoops, didn't read everything :) |
| 08:27.21 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Usually, this is a good tool for searching: http://google.com/coop/cse?cx=018430699993342716089%3Aszsaurhronw |
| 08:27.24 | RalphEichelberge | well thx - seems the right one |
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| 08:38.05 | zdanek | hi |
| 08:38.23 | zdanek | I finally made GPRS connection with my neo |
| 08:38.38 | RalphEichelberge | just curious: can anyone tell me where the includes from the target can be found? |
| 08:39.01 | RalphEichelberge | hey zdanedk! cooool :) |
| 08:39.03 | zdanek | with help of SettingsGUI - not wiki |
| 08:39.10 | zdanek | this description sux |
| 08:39.22 | zdanek | i will fix it when i will have some spare time |
| 08:39.27 | RalphEichelberge | what do you mean? |
| 08:39.46 | zdanek | I tried many times to make GPRS conn with wiki description |
| 08:39.53 | zdanek | never succeded |
| 08:39.59 | RalphEichelberge | change the wiki! |
| 08:40.03 | RalphEichelberge | do it now" |
| 08:40.07 | RalphEichelberge | please |
| 08:40.11 | zdanek | nope, I'm in work |
| 08:40.14 | zdanek | no time |
| 08:40.28 | zdanek | but I'm here to ask who is the author of SettingsGUI |
| 08:40.32 | Ghiottone|work | what settings did you give to SettingsGUI? |
| 08:40.42 | zdanek | I'd like to thank to him and to provide patch for SettingsGUI |
| 08:40.45 | zdanek | there's a bug |
| 08:40.54 | zdanek | with dial string |
| 08:41.10 | Ghiottone|work | kristian-m is the author |
| 08:41.14 | zdanek | it can be corrected in pppparser.py (or something) |
| 08:41.20 | zdanek | is he here? |
| 08:41.36 | zdanek | kristian-m |
| 08:41.36 | Ghiottone|work | drop him an email |
| 08:41.44 | Ghiottone|work | his user is kriss on the wiki |
| 08:42.11 | Ghiottone|work | did you use my repository to install settings GUI? |
| 08:42.44 | CM | zdanek: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0 :) |
| 08:45.23 | Ghiottone|work | zdanek: can I try the patch as well? |
| 08:46.02 | zdanek | Ghiottone: ofcourse |
| 08:46.19 | zdanek | let me check upload the file to the net |
| 08:46.29 | zdanek | s/check// |
| 08:47.05 | zdanek | CM: you meant to show me kriss details? |
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| 08:47.52 | zdanek | no. |
| 08:47.58 | zdanek | I should vote - sure |
| 08:52.15 | zdanek | guys, here's fixed SettingsGUI GPRS parser |
| 08:52.15 | zdanek | http://www.openmoko.org.pl/packages/pppdConfigParser.py |
| 08:53.04 | zdanek | put it in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/SettingsGUI |
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| 08:53.41 | zdanek | Ghiottone: got it? |
| 08:54.24 | zdanek | if you want to make sucessful connection put *99# number in "number" field |
| 08:54.34 | zdanek | sometimes it needs a few tries |
| 08:55.04 | Ghiottone|work | zdanek: yes thanks. I'll give it a try after work |
| 08:55.31 | Ghiottone|work | CM: thank you for the vote for me :) |
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| 08:56.58 | zdanek | maybe you can make a package |
| 08:59.18 | Ghiottone|work | zdanek: yeah I could put the patch in a new package. But I won't have enough time later this day |
| 08:59.25 | zdanek | sure |
| 08:59.35 | zdanek | I will write a little post at my OM blog |
| 08:59.44 | zdanek | but it should be fixed and distributed |
| 08:59.51 | zdanek | I wrote an email to kriss |
| 09:00.01 | Ghiottone|work | zdanek: great! |
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| 09:00.37 | zdanek | okay, best regards to all |
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| 09:00.41 | zdanek | back to work |
| 09:01.06 | Ghiottone|work | gnu: ping |
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| 09:02.11 | Ghiottone|work | gnu: I have seen the error reported in my user talk. could you please send me the list of your installed packages? on my neo prelink installed only with a glitch in the post-inst script |
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| 09:05.31 | ScaredyCat | yay!!! |
| 09:05.36 | ScaredyCat | I has a qtopia-opensource-src-4.3.0-preview.tar.gz |
| 09:06.59 | CM | Ghiottone|work: You're doing a lot of good stuff, so thank you :) |
| 09:07.02 | ScaredyCat | is the eventual supposrted image supposed to include gsm support? |
| 09:07.17 | jpcass | scardeycat: i tried their ftp it was switched off ;-( flashed it yet? |
| 09:07.35 | ScaredyCat | it's working now jpcass |
| 09:07.40 | ScaredyCat | except the link it wrong |
| 09:07.43 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 09:07.54 | ScaredyCat | lower case the Q in qtopia |
| 09:08.50 | jpcass | does it contain a flash image or is it sources & build environment? |
| 09:09.51 | ScaredyCat | no, i think it's just the env. |
| 09:10.27 | ScaredyCat | ljp was going to upload an image... |
| 09:11.15 | jpcass | ok, maybe i'll wait...still learning oe environment ;-) |
| 09:11.27 | XorA | ScaredyCat: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php |
| 09:12.19 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 09:12.32 | ScaredyCat | excellent thanks XorA |
| 09:12.48 | XorA | ScaredyCat: they were pointed to me in another channel |
| 09:13.11 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
| 09:13.16 | ScaredyCat | have yo flashed it yet? |
| 09:13.33 | XorA | ScaredyCat: no, I only have P1 with me today, dont want to blank that |
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| 09:14.48 | jpcass | scaredycat: do you dare? ;-) |
| 09:15.02 | ScaredyCat | I always dare :) |
| 09:15.54 | XorA | its pretty hard to brick a Neo |
| 09:16.46 | jpcass | ok: kernel is going down.... |
| 09:16.49 | jpcass | [######## |
| 09:17.47 | jpcass | rootfs takes a bit longer [# |
| 09:19.40 | RalphEichelberge | lalala Running task 1566 of 4780 .... no image yet :( |
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| 09:21.33 | ScaredyCat | tick tock tick tock |
| 09:24.41 | jpcass | [##################### |
| 09:25.52 | ScaredyCat | hmmm |
| 09:26.14 | jpcass | well? im just about to reboot... |
| 09:26.23 | ScaredyCat | well.... errm |
| 09:26.44 | ScaredyCat | it boots... |
| 09:26.48 | ScaredyCat | looks nice |
| 09:26.56 | ScaredyCat | tells me I have no network |
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| 09:27.12 | ScaredyCat | oo |
| 09:27.15 | ScaredyCat | :O!1 |
| 09:27.17 | ScaredyCat | !!! |
| 09:27.33 | jpcass | no ssh |
| 09:28.30 | jpcass | well they havent improved the boot time, thats for sure ;-) <yawns> |
| 09:28.53 | ScaredyCat | gsmhas ssh |
| 09:29.07 | ScaredyCat | really? mine booted pretty fast |
| 09:29.12 | jpcass | nice lock phone feature... |
| 09:29.32 | jpcass | i got queried for pin..please wait... |
| 09:29.35 | ScaredyCat | and to be really frank, it's a more useable interface too |
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| 09:29.47 | jpcass | "O2 - UK" - alright! |
| 09:29.53 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 09:30.11 | Ghiottone|work | guys any screenshot? |
| 09:30.11 | jpcass | dialling... |
| 09:30.16 | jpcass | call worked! |
| 09:30.21 | ScaredyCat | !! |
| 09:30.34 | jpcass | connected but i cant hear anything... |
| 09:31.03 | ScaredyCat | bluetooth |
| 09:31.05 | jpcass | incoming call works too... |
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| 09:34.18 | ScaredyCat | this is just way ahead of anything we currently hve |
| 09:34.21 | jpcass | me too! |
| 09:36.27 | ScaredyCat | I cant do calls - doesn;t see any carrers.. dunno if it's cos I'm roaming or just not getting a good signal... |
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| 09:36.45 | SpeedEvil | cu -l /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 09:36.55 | SpeedEvil | at+cops=? |
| 09:37.04 | SpeedEvil | should list the carriers it can see |
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| 09:39.38 | ScaredyCat | hang, just doing a reboot... |
| 09:39.47 | ScaredyCat | but quite frankly - fecking awesome |
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| 09:47.56 | ScaredyCat | w00t |
| 09:48.01 | ScaredyCat | just got an sms |
| 09:48.28 | jpcass | yep i can finally read the sms stored on my sim |
| 09:49.01 | jpcass | check out http://www.johnkerry.plus.com/neo/neo-qtopia-1.JPG |
| 09:50.21 | Ghiottone|work | impressive shot |
| 09:50.25 | Ghiottone|work | are there some more? |
| 09:50.32 | jpcass | (1 to 6) |
| 09:50.40 | XorA | abraxa_: loads for over 10 years I believe |
| 09:50.45 | jpcass | abraxa_ lots and lots I guess... |
| 09:50.58 | Ghiottone|work | great! |
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| 09:51.35 | ScaredyCat | Ghiottone|work: just converting some now |
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| 09:51.53 | CM | jpcass: looks nice! :D |
| 09:52.31 | jpcass | cant understand their text entry keyboard.... |
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| 09:53.43 | jpcass | usbnet is working, I am sshed into neo |
| 09:53.48 | Ghiottone|work | jpcass: great shots indeed! |
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| 09:54.37 | Marcel_M | mickey|zzZZzz: did you use my patch |
| 09:54.49 | jpcass | ps -ef = http://pastebin.ca/701698 |
| 09:56.11 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/screenshots/ |
| 09:56.44 | CM | ScaredyCat: How fast does the ui feel? |
| 09:56.48 | XorA | ScaredyCat: Forbidden |
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| 09:57.05 | ScaredyCat | CM: much faster.. |
| 09:57.09 | jpcass | ui is fairly responsive |
| 09:57.09 | ScaredyCat | XorA: ? |
| 09:57.17 | CM | ScaredyCat: Your images |
| 09:57.23 | CM | We can't see them.. :( |
| 09:57.27 | XorA | ScaredyCat: 403 on your images |
| 09:57.42 | jpcass | its got a voip option built in... |
| 09:59.53 | jpcass | ok the keyboard is getting cooler... |
| 10:00.18 | Lynet_ | jpcass: Is that qtopia running on a Neo? |
| 10:00.19 | jpcass | stroke upwards or downwards to change which layout (alpha - symbol - number - caps) |
| 10:00.24 | jpcass | yep |
| 10:01.43 | jpcass | tap and hold to get a local zoom-in in a circle ... |
| 10:02.03 | jpcass | which is decent, make finger keying easier... |
| 10:02.28 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973 |
| 10:02.35 | ScaredyCat | there you go for pics |
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| 10:04.30 | ScaredyCat | added some more |
| 10:07.24 | abraxa_ | Thanks, Scaredy and jpcass |
| 10:07.51 | abraxa_ | Let's take it as an inspiration to show them that we can do better ;) |
| 10:08.11 | CM | ScaredyCat: Put an empty line between each image ref please :) |
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| 10:08.26 | CM | (I don't want to edit at the same time as you and mess it up :P) |
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| 10:08.54 | ScaredyCat | better? |
| 10:08.57 | zdanek | guys, I there some IM client available for openmoko? with jabber protocol |
| 10:09.05 | abraxa_ | zdanek: Pidgin? |
| 10:09.21 | zdanek | I don't know any except psi |
| 10:09.22 | CM | ScaredyCat: Excellente! :D |
| 10:09.26 | zdanek | could be |
| 10:09.38 | zdanek | abraxa_: do you have link to ipk? |
| 10:10.01 | ScaredyCat | this stuff is just working... you know how sexy that is! |
| 10:10.04 | abraxa_ | zdanek: I've seen several people mention their use of pidgin on the Neo - and sorry no, I don't know of a package source |
| 10:10.36 | XorA | ljp: your certainly causing excitement |
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| 10:11.08 | ScaredyCat | this is really cool... I'm sorry... but it is... |
| 10:11.11 | ScaredyCat | woo hoo |
| 10:11.41 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: It does make me a little jealous, I gotta admit. But hey - all the better for OpenMoko as competition puts a good kind of pressure on the team ;) |
| 10:12.19 | ScaredyCat | abraxa_: yeah, they need something like this to kick them in the ass and do something |
| 10:12.39 | ScaredyCat | s/crea/cream |
| 10:13.11 | chetan_ | ScaredyCat: can you make a video and post on youtube? |
| 10:13.30 | ScaredyCat | I have nothing to make a video with.... |
| 10:13.40 | ScaredyCat | unless my wife's camera works.. |
| 10:13.45 | ScaredyCat | gimmie a few mins |
| 10:15.16 | jpcass | the sip client is trying to register with my asterisk server...but there are teething probelms (i think due to networking through my pc...) |
| 10:15.25 | ScaredyCat | hehehe |
| 10:16.21 | zdanek | I found pidgin http://z.drun.net/packages/pidgin_2.1.1_armv5tel.ipk |
| 10:16.30 | zdanek | but it's for armv5 |
| 10:16.43 | zdanek | I belive it's somewhere on OE |
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| 10:24.33 | squalyl | hi ! |
| 10:24.40 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: yeah - I'm reliably informed the core team is in fact lazing around, and doing only 3-4 minutes of work a day. |
| 10:24.46 | squalyl | TrollTech cares about us: http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-09-17.9260755578 |
| 10:24.58 | SpeedEvil | I don't especially think more pressure is needed... |
| 10:25.06 | squalyl | (sorry if anyone has already signaled that...) |
| 10:25.49 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: you'e entitled to your opinion |
| 10:26.02 | ScaredyCat | squalyl: |
| 10:26.10 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973 |
| 10:26.58 | squalyl | wow |
| 10:26.58 | SpeedEvil | I was just meaning - I don't think pressure is the problem at the moment. I have some queries about the apparent organisation of the team, and the leveraging of outside resources. |
| 10:27.14 | SpeedEvil | But the major problem is manpower. |
| 10:27.19 | SpeedEvil | Well - beingpower. |
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| 10:28.51 | ScaredyCat | ok, so I now hav a pretty poor video .. |
| 10:29.04 | ScaredyCat | now I need to find out how touse youtube |
| 10:29.14 | SpeedEvil | Or google video |
| 10:29.17 | SpeedEvil | It's pretty easy |
| 10:29.26 | SpeedEvil | just sign up and upload a video in any format |
| 10:29.35 | ScaredyCat | and don't i need a thrash metal track too ;) |
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| 10:29.42 | SpeedEvil | Just look at how many functional illiterates videos are on it. |
| 10:29.53 | ScaredyCat | can I remove the audio too? |
| 10:30.12 | SpeedEvil | mancoder can renmove the audio |
| 10:30.13 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 10:30.14 | SpeedEvil | mencoder |
| 10:32.52 | ScaredyCat | done |
| 10:33.01 | ScaredyCat | ok, so youtube or google ? |
| 10:33.20 | XorA | isnt google video dead? |
| 10:34.21 | Psi | they are both the same thing now |
| 10:34.38 | Psi | ie, both connect to the same db |
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| 10:37.17 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 10:37.27 | ScaredyCat | I just used my gmail account to log in |
| 10:37.34 | ScaredyCat | or create an account.. |
| 10:37.39 | ScaredyCat | uploading it now.. |
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| 10:39.32 | El_Salvador | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973 |
| 10:39.34 | El_Salvador | :O |
| 10:40.20 | jpcass | you can ipkg update etc: it all points to the openmoko servers |
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| 10:41.33 | SpeedEvil | Or you can use stuff like rapidshare to share the uncoded video |
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| 11:09.29 | denis^da | ScaredyCat, how responsive is the Qtopia UI on the Neo ? |
| 11:09.54 | zefanja | so where is the link to the video? (sorry if anyone has posted it...) |
| 11:09.56 | ScaredyCat | personally, I think it seems faster |
| 11:10.15 | ScaredyCat | I'm trying to upload it... it just crapped out saying it was too big |
| 11:10.18 | ScaredyCat | rescaling it |
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| 11:10.46 | zefanja | ScaredyCat: ok |
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| 11:12.44 | Lynet_ | Is qtopia just the ui, or does it cover more of the middleware/low-level stuff needed on a phone? |
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| 11:16.23 | cesarb | Wow, I'm impressed they matched the traditional neo "brown fire" colours (looking at the screenshots) |
| 11:17.30 | cesarb | Do we have a bitbake recipe for that already? |
| 11:18.10 | cesarb | ... |
| 11:18.21 | cesarb | "CWD Qtopia" "Failed to change directory." |
| 11:19.03 | ynezz | s/Qtopia/qtopia/ |
| 11:19.16 | cesarb | Someone had its head in the marketing clouds and used uppercase where he shouldn't... |
| 11:19.23 | cesarb | ynezz: yeah, had just found that out |
| 11:23.11 | ScaredyCat | how do I stop firefox being such a fuckwit when I'm uploading |
| 11:23.31 | Lynet_ | The press release said they GPL'd the whole thing, so if they did their own gsmd, it should be possible to rip it out. |
| 11:24.11 | cesarb | Lynet_: however, if it's a library embedded deep in the bowels of their kit, depending on everything else, it would not be so easy |
| 11:24.24 | ScaredyCat | ok, so the first vid is uploaded... I'll do another one |
| 11:24.25 | Lynet_ | cesarb: True. |
| 11:24.40 | ScaredyCat | with a tripos this time :) |
| 11:24.43 | cesarb | Lynet_: basically, if it's a QtCore-only thing (perhaps with the Qt network parts too), should be easy to rip out |
| 11:24.44 | ScaredyCat | tripod |
| 11:24.58 | cesarb | Lynet_: if it's a QtGui thing, probably will be harder |
| 11:25.30 | ScaredyCat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW5q8SpY7t4 |
| 11:25.54 | Lynet_ | Would seem like a bad design decision to make it a part of QtGui, but guess we'll have to hit the source to find out. |
| 11:26.51 | cesarb | Lynet_: I will look at it tonight, still 1 hour left of download and I'll go get the bus/ferry to work soon |
| 11:28.21 | mjr | hmm, qtopia just became interesting, reading the backlog... |
| 11:28.51 | chihchun | it make some noise when I "lock phone" |
| 11:28.59 | chihchun | it seems ran into suspend mode. |
| 11:28.59 | cesarb | mjr: the neo just had its most positive effect in the world so far! |
| 11:29.00 | CM | ScaredyCat: Nice :-) |
| 11:29.24 | Lynet_ | Their web pages have a graphic of java running on top of qtopia, are they including a j2me runtime? |
| 11:29.53 | ScaredyCat | cesarb: I have the original too :) |
| 11:30.20 | mjr | is the qtopia flash image able to function as a phone semi-reliably? might use that for a while if it is... |
| 11:31.25 | ynezz | since it don't run on X, it might be a problem to run other apps right? |
| 11:31.48 | zdanek | ScaredyCat: nice movie :D |
| 11:31.57 | zdanek | Qtopia moves smoothly |
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| 11:32.29 | zdanek | ScaredyCat: can you make a phone call? |
| 11:32.29 | mjr | ynezz, probably. You could have an X server semi-integrated, of course, but dunno if they have one |
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| 11:34.29 | chetan_ | ScaredyCat: thanks for the video |
| 11:35.35 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: hey, just thought of something... would it be possible to dual-boot with qtopia and openmoko (for instance, qtopia on the SD and openmoko on the bultin flash)? |
| 11:35.46 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: dual-booting with these would be nice... |
| 11:36.31 | mjr | can't see a reason why not |
| 11:36.33 | chetan_ | cesarb: you won't need to dualboot. just exit X and start qtopia. or exit qtopia and start the X server |
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| 11:36.42 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03zecke * r3006 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 11:36.42 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 2007-09-18 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 11:36.42 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Readd the prepare-ChangeLog scripts. |
| 11:36.42 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * scripts/VCSUtils.pm: Added. |
| 11:36.42 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * scripts/prepare-ChangeLog: Added. |
| 11:36.43 | mjr | but yeah |
| 11:36.48 | mjr | qtopia is user-level stuff after all |
| 11:37.08 | zdanek | >>ScaredyCat: can you make a phone call? |
| 11:37.47 | cesarb | chetan_: well, not if it does things like messing up with gsm, initscripts and the like... you'd need a completely new runlevel in that case |
| 11:37.59 | cesarb | chetan_: and it does seem to have its own gsm stuff |
| 11:38.16 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03zecke * r3007 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-browser2/ (ChangeLog src/go-page.c): |
| 11:38.19 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 2007-09-18 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 11:38.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: GNU/libc build fix. |
| 11:38.23 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/go-page.c: |
| 11:40.42 | ScaredyCat | zdanek: yes |
| 11:40.47 | ScaredyCat | but no audio.. |
| 11:41.01 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 11:41.03 | zecke | cesarb: hehe |
| 11:41.04 | ScaredyCat | yet |
| 11:41.21 | Lynet_ | ScaredyCat: That kinda defeats the point. ;-) |
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| 11:41.53 | ScaredyCat | notreally, it's just a config... much like with openmoko bfore.. |
| 11:42.01 | ScaredyCat | alsactl type stuff |
| 11:43.25 | ScaredyCat | it just came out of suspend.... |
| 11:43.33 | ScaredyCat | a little slowly bu it did do it |
| 11:43.36 | zdanek | ScaredyCat: thx for answer |
| 11:43.58 | ScaredyCat | got another vid to u/l |
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| 11:44.12 | zdanek | does anybody know how to add some kind of shortcut to applications list? for example shortcut to SettingsGUI |
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| 11:45.28 | emdete | someone seen this: http://www.golem.de/0709/54837.html ? |
| 11:46.16 | denis^da | emdete, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW5q8SpY7t4 |
| 11:46.17 | denis^da | ;) |
| 11:48.25 | emdete | this is really sad news... |
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| 11:49.01 | jsmanrique | denis^da: it seems related to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW5q8SpY7t4 |
| 11:49.24 | zash` | emdete: sad, why? |
| 11:49.37 | emdete | qtopia sucks. long story... |
| 11:49.38 | denis^da | from my point of view as a user it is great |
| 11:49.47 | denis^da | you have the choice |
| 11:49.59 | denis^da | and more community that writes more software ;) |
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| 11:50.22 | emdete | hm, is more always 'good'? |
| 11:50.57 | jsmanrique | denis^da: sorry, failed cut&paste |
| 11:51.12 | jsmanrique | denis^da: but there was a link in linuxdevices.com about it |
| 11:51.22 | denis^da | yeah I read it already |
| 11:51.48 | emdete | qtopia has it's own gsm0707 - can it do a call? |
| 11:51.53 | denis^da | emdete, more is definetly good. You can pick out the best. |
| 11:52.02 | emdete | denis^da: you can't |
| 11:52.04 | denis^da | And there is more challenge |
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| 11:52.50 | emdete | denis^da: you can choose between qtopia or openmoko in the beginning - after that you are stuck |
| 11:53.09 | cesarb | emdete: dual booting? |
| 11:53.15 | ScaredyCat | no, you can always switch |
| 11:53.27 | ScaredyCat | and if you sync your data, it wont matter 1 bit |
| 11:53.39 | DPThought | nice nice. I allways wanted qtopia on the phone. But on the other hand, much great things happen on the X/gtk front... Will seee.... |
| 11:53.45 | denis^da | And getting a qtopia app runing under Openmoko shouldnt be that problem |
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| 11:53.55 | emdete | so openmoko saves the contacts the same format as openmoko does? wow |
| 11:54.04 | emdete | denis^da: it will |
| 11:54.24 | denis^da | we' ll see ;) |
| 11:54.35 | emdete | ScaredyCat: but you have to switch completly... yes? |
| 11:54.41 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 11:55.18 | emdete | so you want to start qt apps under openmoko? |
| 11:55.30 | emdete | what a crap... ;) |
| 11:56.18 | DPThought | starting x apps in qtopia should work. There is a qt based x-server available. afaik. |
| 11:56.26 | denis^da | crap tzz on the desktop you have them running hand in hand so whats the problem? |
| 11:56.49 | emdete | denis^da: the neo is mostly not on my desktop ;) |
| 11:57.12 | emdete | x is not the only problem you will face |
| 11:57.20 | denis^da | It was just a picture emdete ;) |
| 11:58.19 | emdete | denis^da: mine too. the neo is not a high end computer capable of doing so |
| 11:58.42 | emdete | and: how do thoses apps interoperate? how does a qt-app use oe-contacts? |
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| 12:09.29 | ScaredyCat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOG_mtSEMgs |
| 12:09.32 | ScaredyCat | vid 2 |
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| 12:15.31 | nox-Hand | ScaredyCat: IS Qtopia better than the OpenMoko software in your opiion? |
| 12:15.47 | ScaredyCat | it's currently more usable... |
| 12:15.54 | ScaredyCat | as an end user... |
| 12:16.19 | ScaredyCat | I reserve judgement on if it's 'better' until I've had a better look... |
| 12:16.26 | nox-Hand | ScaredyCat: ++ |
| 12:16.41 | nox-Hand | ScaredyCat: Takes me time to load video.. at school and they limit connections.. |
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| 12:17.02 | ScaredyCat | so far, the fact that it registers every time with a carrier is a major plus... |
| 12:17.10 | ScaredyCat | lack of audio is a minus... |
| 12:17.34 | nox-Hand | Hahaha, yeah, I would say so :P |
| 12:18.00 | ScaredyCat | but, like most things I guess it's only a matter of time before that's sorted. |
| 12:18.25 | ScaredyCat | qtopia is still not as finger frinedly as it could be. |
| 12:18.29 | nox-Hand | ScaredyCat: I am wanting an OpenMoko, but I am going to wait till main release.. Do you think this phone could serve as a replacement for my main phone? I love to geek about and nerd out, but I'd like it if I could call/text properly from it |
| 12:18.34 | nox-Hand | No, doesn't look so, really. |
| 12:19.07 | ScaredyCat | the 'ocober' release still probably wont be usable as a phone. |
| 12:19.19 | nox-Hand | The thing about OpenMoko that scares me is exactly that. Not ready yet. |
| 12:19.20 | ScaredyCat | development is very very slow. |
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| 12:20.07 | ScaredyCat | I just think that the people who should be developing (the core devs) have too much other stuff going on. |
| 12:20.26 | ScaredyCat | if they were working for me, they'd be working on what I hired them for. |
| 12:20.49 | nox-Hand | ScaredyCat: It might be developing nicely, but it simply might be all backend |
| 12:20.54 | DPThought | i guess qutopia is not using the gsmd. Could we borrow theyr gsm multiplexing mechanism? Would that be worth it? |
| 12:21.19 | nox-Hand | ScaredyCat: What I guess I am wondering about is.. whether I would be able to just smack some Qtopia on it until OpenMoko is ready |
| 12:21.25 | nox-Hand | I am sure phoning will be fixed :P |
| 12:21.27 | ScaredyCat | nox-Hand: I'm doing daily updates and builds - there's not much |
| 12:21.28 | nox-Hand | (audio) |
| 12:21.37 | nox-Hand | ScaredyCat: SVN? |
| 12:21.44 | ScaredyCat | yes svn |
| 12:21.48 | nox-Hand | :-/ |
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| 12:22.01 | nox-Hand | Doesn't seem all that speedy really to be honest :-\ |
| 12:22.07 | ScaredyCat | if they get the audio sorted under qtopia, it's usable as a phone. |
| 12:22.08 | SpeedEvil | What? |
| 12:22.10 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 12:22.24 | nox-Hand | The speed of Qtopia |
| 12:22.27 | ScaredyCat | it's stable and doesn't seem to crash much. |
| 12:22.29 | nox-Hand | And no idea about OpenMoko :P |
| 12:22.52 | nox-Hand | How speedy is OpenMoko VS Qtopia? |
| 12:22.55 | ScaredyCat | it's not lightening fast, but it is fiarly zippy |
| 12:23.20 | ScaredyCat | iirc qtopia is fb, not x |
| 12:23.24 | nox-Hand | Faster than Qtopia? |
| 12:23.35 | ScaredyCat | that's an up as well as a down |
| 12:23.38 | nox-Hand | Nice fb :P |
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| 12:25.41 | CM | ScaredyCat: Even powermanagement :) |
| 12:25.41 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 12:25.44 | ScaredyCat | and it works (ish) |
| 12:26.00 | ScaredyCat | I had to turn off the suspend.. |
| 12:26.11 | ScaredyCat | it only seemed to want me to set that at 1 min.. |
| 12:26.13 | ScaredyCat | max |
| 12:26.16 | CM | hehe |
| 12:26.17 | ScaredyCat | and it got annoying |
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| 12:31.16 | nox-Hand | El_Salvador: What version of Qtopia is that? |
| 12:31.54 | tuukkah | is sdl build broken? |
| 12:33.42 | tuukkah | no libglade broke too :-) |
| 12:33.48 | tuukkah | s/no/now/ |
| 12:34.10 | DPThought | .oO(KDE vs Gnome reloaded *grin*) |
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| 13:03.56 | ixs | wow. |
| 13:04.17 | ixs | qtopia, gpl licensed, for neo1973? |
| 13:04.19 | ixs | interesting... |
| 13:04.38 | ixs | included with DRM and "Safe Execution Environment"... |
| 13:04.41 | ixs | YAY!... |
| 13:04.44 | ixs | or rather not... |
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| 13:06.46 | emdete | if gta2 brings hw accelerated graphics drivers will be avaiable for x... so qtopia won't gain any benefit from that |
| 13:08.01 | SpeedEvil | there will be docs, so it could be written |
| 13:08.19 | emdete | SpeedEvil: shure... |
| 13:08.32 | emdete | does qtopia has any kind of browser? |
| 13:08.52 | emdete | does it support gprs? |
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| 13:09.15 | Mek | I guess qt-webkit runs fine on qtopia... |
| 13:09.17 | SpeedEvil | In principle I mean of course. |
| 13:09.20 | ixs | emdete: actually, I'm _very_ interested in seeing qtopia on the neo. Usability-wise Trolltech invested heavily into their qtopia thingy, I'd like to see it on the neo to compare it against openmoko... Maybe there are some things which can be improved... |
| 13:09.27 | Lynet_ | What gfx driver model does qtopia use anyway. does it use abstracted promitives than can be acce'd or does it just assume a dumb framebuffer. |
| 13:09.52 | ScaredyCat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOG_mtSEMgs |
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| 13:10.52 | ixs | ScaredyCat: huh? |
| 13:11.05 | ixs | ahhh. thx for the link |
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| 13:12.49 | Mek | hmm.. I get http://rafb.net/p/HSUkqO44.html <-- this error when I try to flash qemu... |
| 13:13.34 | RalphEichelberge | finally something working on neo *g* |
| 13:13.50 | RalphEichelberge | well guys - much to do |
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| 13:14.18 | ScaredyCat | alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state restore == making calls with audio under qtopia |
| 13:14.28 | jas4711 | Is anyone working on a MPD client GUI for the openmoko? I have seen http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Music_Player |
| 13:14.39 | RalphEichelberge | trolltech's neo image works just fine |
| 13:14.45 | CM | jas4711: Not yet, afaik |
| 13:15.59 | RalphEichelberge | anyone knows how qtopia for neo relates to openmoko? |
| 13:16.15 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 13:16.21 | ScaredyCat | what? |
| 13:16.37 | zash` | RalphEichelberge: something like KDE vs GNOME on pc's |
| 13:16.49 | ScaredyCat | there's no relationship, other than the hardware platform |
| 13:17.41 | RalphEichelberge | really? - so they have a new gsmd implementation? |
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| 13:18.19 | jas4711 | CM: ok, thx. something to start working on then, once i get my nslu2 to be the mpd-server... |
| 13:18.35 | ScaredyCat | they have their own insterface tothe gsm chip - not using gsmd |
| 13:19.25 | DPThought | RalphEichelberge: jep. they had a working system years ago. But i would say it is similar to gsmd but afaik not a seperate deamon |
| 13:19.39 | emdete | i would much more like to see openmoko (and all the great work in the toolchain) for the greenphone.... |
| 13:19.40 | DPThought | RalphEichelberge: was unfree until now |
| 13:20.06 | emdete | problem with the qtopia aproach is that it is not very unix-like |
| 13:21.16 | RalphEichelberge | why? |
| 13:21.19 | DPThought | more a big c++ baes plugin system as far as i understood the dsign |
| 13:21.22 | emdete | also you have a toolchain wich build qtopia apps only. no chance to do somethin else |
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| 13:21.34 | emdete | DPThought: exact, yes |
| 13:21.42 | emdete | the windows-aproach: lots of dlls |
| 13:21.49 | CM | jas4711: I'll be glad to test or help out, given I have enough time. :) |
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| 13:22.10 | RalphEichelberge | well however - they got it running - not bad |
| 13:22.29 | CM | jas4711: Also, rwhitby probably has the answer to anything you want to know about nslu2 ;) |
| 13:23.08 | jas4711 | CM: the nslu2 part should be simple, i'm just waiting for my usb audio adapter |
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| 13:24.56 | jas4711 | CM: but i'm not a gui coder... but getting something that isn't pretty to work should be possible. i've got bluetooth networking to work from the neo, that's the part that i thought would be difficult |
| 13:24.59 | aloril | hmm. so it was this qtopia that big announcement that was coming in September ;-) |
| 13:25.07 | DPThought | oh i see. qtopia has build in voip support for the telephony system. nice |
| 13:25.20 | CM | jas4711: Oh, I haven't even gotten that far yet. |
| 13:26.54 | nano- | jas4711: I'll be working on xmms2 client once I get the hardwarez. |
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| 13:27.30 | jas4711 | nano-: what protocol does xmms2 use? perhaps the gui should be plugin-based |
| 13:27.37 | nano- | jas4711: libxmmsclient. |
| 13:27.46 | nano- | jas4711: http://doxygen.xmms2.xmms.se/clientlib/stable/xmmsclient/modules.html |
| 13:28.07 | jas4711 | nano-: hm, does it work over a network? |
| 13:28.11 | nano- | jas4711: yes. |
| 13:28.42 | CM | jas4711: the xmms2 wiki is really good, read around some :) |
| 13:28.57 | jas4711 | nano-: ok. then a plugin based approach sounds like a good idea. there could be support for xmms2 and mtd. |
| 13:29.12 | nano- | jas4711: we have a mpd bridge. |
| 13:29.27 | nano- | oh nevermind, reverse thinking. |
| 13:29.34 | jas4711 | nano-: does xmms work on nslu2? :) |
| 13:29.51 | nano- | jas4711: it runs on neuros osd so i guess so, nslu2 is arm too right? |
| 13:30.05 | jas4711 | nano-: yes |
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| 13:30.34 | nano- | jas4711: otherwise we'll be adding upnp mediarenderer soon, so that you can use your nslu2 in the same way as apple uses airport express with airtunes. |
| 13:30.46 | nano- | anyway, off topic here, more info on #xmms2 |
| 13:31.40 | ScaredyCat | mediatomb nano-? |
| 13:32.13 | nano- | ScaredyCat: we can't read from mediaserver yet, only daap, but a similar transport for mediaserver is in the todo. |
| 13:32.35 | ScaredyCat | nice... |
| 13:33.18 | nano- | They are both attractive alternatives to airtunes/daap. |
| 13:33.41 | aloril | I wonder if there will be eventual 'merge' open openmoko and qtopia similarly that gnome and kde apps both can be used in same time |
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| 13:35.38 | mjr | a bit less trivial what with the X/fb thing, but I can see that happening if somebody's interested... |
| 13:36.08 | aloril | just use X11 as framebuffer? |
| 13:36.30 | aloril | that would still be a bit 'emulation' though |
| 13:37.17 | emdete | x11 is not the only thing to merge. qt has a lot of more things like eventing, threads and most importand an own telephony api |
| 13:37.27 | aloril | well, if this happens for somebody: must have openmoko app + must have qtopia app -> big itch to make them run at same time |
| 13:37.44 | aloril | yeah, for whole stuff true |
| 13:38.42 | emdete | so in the end we ask for 3 platforms whe we consider java too? |
| 13:38.46 | Mek | couldn't you run most qtopia apps with qt-x11? |
| 13:38.56 | emdete | on one device like the neo? wow... |
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| 13:41.58 | u_l-lap | ooo neo qtopia |
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| 13:45.17 | u_l-lap | hmm does the new qtopia for neo use gsmd and such? |
| 13:45.20 | LetoTo | hmm since trolltech was not making money on hardware, but on their licensing, i wonder what their business model is |
| 13:45.30 | u_l-lap | it'll be nice to get a gta02 and have a fully working userspace software stack at least |
| 13:45.47 | LetoTo | I moved quickly from trolltech to openmoko when it appeared |
| 13:45.55 | u_l-lap | LetoTo: they release everything under the gpl and "give us lots of money if you want it under a proprietary license" |
| 13:46.13 | u_l-lap | lots and lots of money |
| 13:46.16 | LetoTo | yeah, I did notice the dual license. |
| 13:46.20 | LetoTo | it wasnt that bad a year ago. |
| 13:46.30 | LetoTo | like 3k or so to develop for non-gpl |
| 13:46.37 | u_l-lap | Luckily I write mostly gpl software so it works out well |
| 13:47.03 | u_l-lap | I'm pretty sure qtopia lives inside a few wifi phones |
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| 13:47.50 | u_l-lap | is smoke works with qtopia / can be hacked to without much effort I will live happily ever after |
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| 13:49.27 | tuukkah | what makes our bb recipes run ./autogen.sh? |
| 13:50.43 | emdete | tuukkah: the 'inherit autotools'? |
| 13:50.56 | Mek | does anybody have any idea what I am doing wrong/how I can debug the crash I get when trying to flash qemu? (http://rafb.net/p/G26jrC73.html) |
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| 13:52.39 | tuukkah | emdete, it's not working in my own package and i tried to read the autotools class but i can't understand what it's doing :-/ |
| 13:52.51 | CM | Mek: Never seen that error before, but most people here know more about qemu than I do. |
| 13:53.37 | ixs | u_l-lap: I do consider the "give us lots and lots of money to develop closed source software otherwise here's the gpl version" perfectly okay. |
| 13:53.54 | ixs | u_l-lap: have you ever seen license costs for symbian or what oracle costs? |
| 13:54.11 | ixs | u_l-lap: mysql and qtopia in the closed source version are _DIRT CHEAP_ |
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| 13:55.50 | tuukkah | hmm i must be setting up the source wrong since the logs say "nothing to configure, nothing to compile"... |
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| 13:56.48 | CM | ixs: I don't find that unreasonable. Dual license that is |
| 13:58.24 | u_l-lap | ixs: I imagine so |
| 13:58.36 | u_l-lap | ixs: I luckily don't develop proprietary software so it works out well enough for me |
| 13:59.15 | u_l-lap | hmm, I think I could easily get smokeqt working with qtopia |
| 13:59.48 | u_l-lap | and then for a few dozen lines of C and either some cffi or guile magic get CL/Scheme bindings to the entire platform generatively |
| 14:00.12 | u_l-lap | using a bit of MOP wizardry to make the smoke instances behave properly |
| 14:01.22 | gw280 | has anyone got qtopia running on their moko? |
| 14:01.36 | Richlv | am i a bit late for qtopia topi discussions ? :) |
| 14:01.40 | Richlv | topic |
| 14:01.46 | ixs | CM: same here. |
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| 14:02.35 | Writchie | i'm late here - what's the buzz |
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| 14:02.48 | u_l-lap | Writchie: http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2007-09-17.9260755578 |
| 14:02.58 | CM | gw280: http://www.youtube.com/user/FuzzyScaredyCat |
| 14:03.59 | Writchie | not much of a surprise there |
| 14:04.12 | u_l-lap | now I have to wonder how difficult it would be hack up a qt backend for mcclim |
| 14:04.50 | u_l-lap | unless cairo runs on top of the qtopia fb or someone wrote a rootless X server for it |
| 14:05.29 | XorA | there is rootless X for Qtopia2, you'll have to port it |
| 14:08.40 | bipolar | I see the Qtopia announcement has gotten a lot of people talking :) |
| 14:09.44 | XorA | rwhitby: depends if its about stealung the good bits :-) |
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| 14:09.56 | zash` | #qtopia-on-neo1973 ? |
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| 14:10.32 | bipolar | I would think that both channels would be apropriate |
| 14:10.34 | u_l-lap | qtopia could become part of openmoko if someone made some OE packages for it |
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| 14:12.17 | PBeck | hi |
| 14:14.56 | Richlv | there is no #neo1973, you, wou... eh. :) |
| 14:15.17 | buz | so how does text input work on qtopia touchscreen? |
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| 14:17.44 | bipolar | buz: I believe there is both a touch keypad and handwriting recognition |
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| 14:17.59 | buz | so they have gpl'ed handwriting recognition? neat |
| 14:18.08 | bipolar | buz: I havn't worked with it much since the qtopia2... and it existed there |
| 14:19.05 | buz | in any case, where before, i was sure to get gta02, now i'm very sure ;) |
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| 14:19.57 | bipolar | yes, me too. along with everyone here at work |
| 14:20.01 | bipolar | I hope... |
| 14:20.05 | buz | btw, is there any chance to see a GTA02 prototype at openexpo on friday? |
| 14:20.58 | kristian-m | hi mokos :-) |
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| 14:21.41 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat nice video - qtopia seems to be way faster for the gui - hopefully its the debug code... |
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| 14:22.03 | buz | mickey|ICE77: is there a chance to see a gta02 prototype at openexpo? |
| 14:22.31 | thomasg | buz: what would you expect from it? |
| 14:22.42 | buz | i dunno, wet pants maybe? |
| 14:23.10 | thomasg | so where's the difference? :P |
| 14:23.11 | Ghiottone|work | back |
| 14:23.18 | Ghiottone|work | hey kristian-m |
| 14:23.22 | mickey|ICE77 | buz: didn't bring it with me. it doesn't boot without the debug board and looks the same as the gta01. and the UI is slooow without the accel drivers ;) |
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| 14:23.42 | thomasg | mickey|ICE77: got my link and the image running? |
| 14:23.49 | buz | good to know ;) |
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| 14:25.23 | Bbird | is there a status/progress table on supporting all of the neo features with OpenMoko? Anybody has a URL? |
| 14:25.24 | aloril | Bbird: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 14:26.01 | mickey|ICE77 | thomasg: heh |
| 14:26.02 | mickey|ICE77 | it's slower than 01 |
| 14:26.04 | mickey|ICE77 | much slower, in fact |
| 14:26.12 | mickey|ICE77 | without the drivers |
| 14:26.49 | u_l-lap | ! |
| 14:28.21 | Writchie | mickey: that's really scary |
| 14:28.39 | mickey|ICE77 | hehe. no, it's expected |
| 14:28.54 | mickey|ICE77 | the path to the smedia is not a huge one |
| 14:29.19 | ScaredyCat | tred wisely you shall |
| 14:29.21 | Writchie | in other words all simple fb graphics are just going to suck |
| 14:29.23 | CM | When will the driver development be public? |
| 14:29.57 | Ghiottone|work | mickey|ICE77: lesser bandwidth? it should behave better anyway, given the faster processor |
| 14:30.01 | buz | trolltech is not gonna like that ;) |
| 14:30.07 | kristian-m | hi Ghiottone|work |
| 14:30.17 | Mek | hmm... removing the "nand createbbt" line from flash.sh seems to have fixed my qemu segfaulting... |
| 14:30.17 | buz | or maybe they'll port qtopia to x11 then ;) |
| 14:30.28 | kristian-m | Ghiottone|work got a new version of settingsgui comming up... :-) |
| 14:30.29 | ScaredyCat | qt-x11 even |
| 14:30.57 | Ghiottone|work | kristian-m: great kristian! any news about setup.py ? |
| 14:31.51 | CM | kristian-m: Is settingsgui in rwhitby's community feed? |
| 14:31.59 | mickey|ICE77 | well, if they care they write a qt/embedded accellerated driver for it |
| 14:32.01 | BabelO | ScaredyCat : there is an directFb accelerator and some other stuff |
| 14:32.32 | ScaredyCat | and they'll have plenty of time to do it... :x |
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| 14:33.11 | Writchie | mickey: so the architecture reduces the bandwidth by a factor and 10 and hopes to speed it up with acceleration?? |
| 14:33.20 | ScaredyCat | hehehe |
| 14:33.24 | kristian-m | Ghiottone|work i'll put one int the tar.gz then - later today |
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| 14:33.30 | Ghiottone|work | CM: not yet. it needs a proper bb file |
| 14:33.32 | BabelO | ScaredyCat: : http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Projects/Qtopia/DirectFB |
| 14:33.33 | kristian-m | CM 'don't know |
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| 14:33.46 | CM | Ghiottone|work: Ok, just curious :) |
| 14:34.26 | LetoTo | http://www.lipsforum.org/ |
| 14:34.34 | ScaredyCat | Ta BabelO |
| 14:34.34 | LetoTo | is that serious or just silly people trying to make a buck? |
| 14:34.40 | Ghiottone|work | CM: I'll probably submit the recipe for inclusion when I get it right enough |
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| 14:35.25 | LetoTo | hmm trolltech and montevista are members :P |
| 14:35.25 | mickey|ICE77 | *sigh* |
| 14:35.31 | mickey|ICE77 | i have no luck with ICEs... |
| 14:35.41 | mickey|ICE77 | yet another accidant on the lanes |
| 14:35.46 | mickey|ICE77 | traing being rerouted |
| 14:35.48 | gw280 | hrm, this FIC still doesn't make phone calls, even in Qtopia |
| 14:37.33 | ScaredyCat | works for me(tm) |
| 14:38.53 | Tyrael | ScaredyCat, what about playing music with qtopia? Is there a player and is it working on Neo? |
| 14:39.00 | Ghiottone|work | kristian-m: great. I read a bit about distutils and wrote one myself, but it is far from correct. what new features has this new version got? |
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| 14:39.49 | gw280 | does the neo1973 support USIMs? |
| 14:40.01 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r3008 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (22 files in 3 dirs): * Import new OpenMoko GTK+ engine |
| 14:40.08 | mickey|ICE77 | Tyrael: mplayer works, gstreamer works. problem is performance when mixing audio |
| 14:40.13 | ScaredyCat | Tyrael: haven't seen an app to do it... |
| 14:40.34 | ScaredyCat | mplayer, madplay et al should all work ok |
| 14:40.51 | ScaredyCat | I *really* like the unlock idea |
| 14:41.14 | BabelO | ScaredyCat: we see that on your videos ;) |
| 14:41.24 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 14:41.33 | BabelO | ScaredyCat : there is now helix app ? |
| 14:41.45 | Ghiottone|work | mm? new OpenMoko GTK+ engine? what's that? |
| 14:41.59 | mickey|ICE77 | ScaredyCat: unlock? |
| 14:42.18 | ScaredyCat | mickey|ICE77: yes, slide the key into the lock |
| 14:42.44 | ScaredyCat | last few seconds of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOG_mtSEMgs shows it |
| 14:42.56 | mickey|ICE77 | hmm, no vids on gprs ;) |
| 14:43.03 | mickey|ICE77 | i'll take a look tomorrow |
| 14:43.04 | ScaredyCat | :o sorry |
| 14:43.32 | ScaredyCat | asically you get a padlock at the top of the screen |
| 14:43.37 | ScaredyCat | and a key at the bottom |
| 14:43.46 | mickey|ICE77 | ah and you grab it and drag it? |
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| 14:43.56 | ScaredyCat | to unlock the phone you click and slide the key into te lock |
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| 14:44.25 | CM | ScaredyCat: Looks like you can only slide it straight up |
| 14:44.27 | mickey|ICE77 | hehe. fun. i'd rather use suspend to lock though |
| 14:44.48 | mickey|ICE77 | otherwise power consumption is much too high on 01 |
| 14:44.56 | Tyrael | what about gstreamer error with mediaplayer? I tried to kill pulseaudio but there is always the internal data flow error. |
| 14:44.56 | Tyrael | Dialer seems working on boot without restaring gsmd |
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| 14:45.02 | CM | Guess it would be too difficult if you could move it all around |
| 14:45.27 | CM | mickey|ICE77: Is the uboot_env included in the default oe build by now? |
| 14:45.29 | XorA | mickey|ICE77: in reality you still need to lock even when supended |
| 14:45.36 | ScaredyCat | well, suspend is ok, but not until I want it to... |
| 14:45.44 | ScaredyCat | I mena 5 minutes is too soon |
| 14:45.54 | ScaredyCat | but I might want it locked |
| 14:47.01 | kristian-m | Ghiottone|work it's mainly a cleanup version - i use the at-mode of libgsmd-tool now - to only change the commandstate of the modem when needed. - have done some gui cleanup - and applyed the patch ATD patch... - mostly gsm-settings related cleanups though |
| 14:47.21 | Bbird | A very primitve question, that is not answered in the FAQ (at least I didn't find it): Can you already Phone with the Neo?! |
| 14:47.28 | ixs | ScaredyCat: mhm, the video you showed my earlier, was that the binary image from trolltech of a built from source? |
| 14:47.44 | ScaredyCat | binary |
| 14:47.57 | ixs | ScaredyCat: got the url? |
| 14:47.57 | CM | Bbird: I've only managed to do it once, but it should work if you give it a bit of effort. ;) |
| 14:48.06 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 14:48.21 | ScaredyCat | http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/openmoko.php |
| 14:48.25 | mickey|ICE77 | CM: no. i didn't receive the env yet |
| 14:48.57 | Bbird | CM: Thanks for the answer. I assuming that recv calls is also problematic? |
| 14:50.01 | CM | mickey|ICE77: Ok, thanks. Just a bit annoying since I've been without a working boot menu since the first day. Also, I can only start the phone using Factory Reset. |
| 14:50.10 | BabelO | ScaredyCat : so you need to write a driver for directFB ;) |
| 14:50.14 | pvanhoof | hey mickey|ICE77 , I have received a NEO. So I could start implementing stuff :) |
| 14:50.45 | ScaredyCat | CM: you broke it again? |
| 14:50.53 | pvanhoof | as soon as you guys have a solid idea, ui mockup and/or analysis, etc etc :) |
| 14:51.04 | CM | ScaredyCat: It get's broken every time I flash a new kernel |
| 14:51.05 | ScaredyCat | BabelO: yeah, it'll be ready in 20 minutes... ok? ;) |
| 14:51.06 | mickey|ICE77 | pvanhoof: cool. |
| 14:51.22 | CM | ScaredyCat: I can't figure out why the kernel overwrites it |
| 14:51.29 | pvanhoof | mickey|ICE77, mid October and starting November I have time too |
| 14:51.36 | ScaredyCat | seems rather odd... |
| 14:51.45 | ScaredyCat | are you useing a proper dfu-util ? |
| 14:51.53 | mickey|ICE77 | pvanhoof: ok, the gsmd problems should hopefully be sorted out until then |
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| 14:52.02 | mickey|ICE77 | pvanhoof: i poke Sean to get started w/ a spec |
| 14:52.05 | pvanhoof | Right now, 100% availability starting November |
| 14:52.05 | CM | ScaredyCat: First I used the svn version, but now I use the one in oe |
| 14:52.14 | pvanhoof | mickey|ICE77, yeah that would be great |
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| 14:54.33 | mickey|ICE77 | pvanhoof: can you update me on the Ohm status? |
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| 14:54.46 | mickey|ICE77 | pvanhoof: like, should i start using it, or wait longer? |
| 14:54.47 | pvanhoof | mickey|ICE77, you'll have to ask robtaylor for that |
| 14:54.56 | mickey|ICE77 | right |
| 14:54.57 | pvanhoof | robbie, we have questions :) |
| 14:55.18 | pvanhoof | He'll probably answer to start using it :) |
| 14:55.21 | buz | does that qtopia neo vid exist in better quality? so you could actually read something? |
| 14:55.29 | mickey|ICE77 | robtaylor: i took a look into the wiki and it looks like i just want to use Ohm. it should cover 90% of what i need |
| 14:55.30 | thos | ScaredyCat: have you found a space bar or delete key on the Qtopia keyboard? |
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| 14:55.36 | pvanhoof | But I can't give you an unbiased opinion, I haven't used it myself yet |
| 14:55.38 | pvanhoof | :D |
| 14:55.43 | mickey|ICE77 | right |
| 14:55.43 | Ghiottone|work | kristian-m: great news. I started playing a bit with the NEO with my sim card on the other day. I almost got GPRS running with SettingsGUI and I long to try the new version :) |
| 14:55.56 | CM | buz: I think ScaredyCat said it was too big for youtube in the original quality, so yes the files are somewhere |
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| 14:56.51 | ScaredyCat | thos: no... it's a it weird.. |
| 14:57.01 | ScaredyCat | but then I haven't read any docs as yet :) |
| 14:57.47 | ScaredyCat | buz: youtube cried when I tried to upload the full size one... |
| 14:57.54 | buz | how big? |
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| 14:58.14 | ScaredyCat | the 2nd vid only exists in 320x240 - but I have a 212mb better quality one... |
| 14:58.15 | bipolar | ScaredyCat: bittorrent it? |
| 14:58.26 | kristian-m | Ghiottone|work i get gprs running every time now - added a dialog offering to kill gsmd before starting pppd... ;-) |
| 14:58.28 | buz | yeah bt sounds like a good idea |
| 14:58.42 | bipolar | heh... put it on piratebay :) |
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| 14:59.18 | XorA | Qtopia 0day Warez :-D |
| 14:59.26 | thos | ScaredyCat: ah, you slide right for space and left for delete |
| 14:59.41 | thos | ScaredyCat: up and down change to caps/symbols/numbers |
| 15:00.02 | ScaredyCat | ahh cool... |
| 15:00.08 | ScaredyCat | well found :) |
| 15:00.23 | thos | ScaredyCat: well, XorA guessed it actually |
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| 15:00.30 | thos | and he doesn't even have it :-) |
| 15:00.46 | XorA | thos: ScaredyCat I was just thinking what I would do with a keyboard in limited space, someone obviously theought the same |
| 15:01.10 | mwester | mickey|ICE77: As promised, the real fix for the gsmd flowcontrol lockup problem is done - It's attached to the bug for your (and Harald's) review, but if you give the OK I can commit the kernel patch to OE. Let me know what you wish. :) |
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| 15:01.17 | ScaredyCat | that's actually really cool |
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| 15:03.08 | mickey|ICE77 | mwester: great. please go ahead and commit it and attach it to bugzilla for Harald. Harald doesn't monitor OE :) |
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| 15:03.28 | Ghiottone|work | kristian-m: nice! I hope that setup.py solves the .pyo problem so that packages will work without problems! |
| 15:03.51 | mickey|ICE77 | ah, misread the bug part |
| 15:03.57 | mickey|ICE77 | already there, cool. |
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| 15:10.28 | kristian-m | Ghiottone|work there is an other thing - as i use atcmd mode now we have to depend on a new version of libgsmd-tool (revision >= 2957 from 2007-09-12) |
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| 15:17.17 | Sup3rkiddo | vow, qtopia on neo, anyone have photos? |
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| 15:17.38 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: There's even videos :D |
| 15:17.51 | zefanja | look here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973 |
| 15:18.03 | CM | and here http://www.youtube.com/user/FuzzyScaredyCat |
| 15:18.21 | mickey|ICE77 | the wiki |
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| 15:19.15 | XorA | mickey|ICE77: poppler 0.6 is out |
| 15:19.41 | CM | mickey|ICE77: This might be useless, since not so many have bothered to vote, but I thought it was worth a shot: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0 |
| 15:20.40 | mickey|ICE77 | CM: i like the idea anyways, thanks for launching it |
| 15:20.53 | mickey|ICE77 | i'm going to consult it when doing the 02-p0 list |
| 15:21.08 | CM | mickey|ICE77: Oh, nice. :) |
| 15:21.12 | mickey|ICE77 | XorA: finally :) |
| 15:21.35 | mickey|ICE77 | no promises though |
| 15:21.49 | mickey|ICE77 | i don't know how many people will land on this list this time |
| 15:21.55 | XorA | mickey|ICE77: you can now cease in your drive to get newer cvs versions :-) |
| 15:22.05 | CM | Of course not. The idea was just to help you know who has done what |
| 15:22.22 | mickey|ICE77 | XorA: hopefully |
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| 15:25.19 | ScaredyCat | chttp://linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=4613&name=qt_on_neo1973_videos.torrent |
| 15:25.23 | ScaredyCat | http://linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=4613&name=qt_on_neo1973_videos.torrent |
| 15:26.55 | andylockran | hey - anyone played with qtopia on the neo yet? |
| 15:27.03 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 15:27.06 | andylockran | :p |
| 15:27.06 | ScaredyCat | muppet |
| 15:27.07 | andylockran | I know... |
| 15:27.21 | ScaredyCat | I have it on mine now... |
| 15:27.24 | andylockran | what's your take ScaredyCat |
| 15:27.36 | ScaredyCat | tis pretty good... at least it works as a phone |
| 15:27.39 | andylockran | I'm getting Network Reg denied... not got enough network here to test it? |
| 15:27.49 | andylockran | using o2 in the UK.. |
| 15:28.06 | ScaredyCat | odd.. |
| 15:28.17 | ScaredyCat | I'm roaming wit a virgin sim in .nl ok |
| 15:28.36 | andylockran | yeah, I only have 1 bar of network on my SE w800i.. so it may simply be a lack of reception where I currently am |
| 15:28.49 | andylockran | just charging that battery so I can take it to my LUG meeting tonight :) |
| 15:29.07 | ScaredyCat | did I do that torrent wrong? |
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| 15:29.20 | andylockran | ScaredyCat: How much of it works.. |
| 15:29.46 | ScaredyCat | everything I've tested (not tested bluetooth yet) |
| 15:30.03 | andylockran | have you tested the headset? |
| 15:30.03 | ScaredyCat | and that's everthing, sms, calls etc... all that workd |
| 15:30.10 | ScaredyCat | no... not yet |
| 15:30.22 | thos | ScaredyCat: I get no sound when I make a call |
| 15:30.29 | bipolar | ScaredyCat: I'm downloading now |
| 15:30.48 | bipolar | hmm... no peers here either :P |
| 15:30.49 | ScaredyCat | thos : alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state restore |
| 15:31.04 | andylockran | ScaredyCat: I'm downloading too |
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| 15:31.14 | ScaredyCat | from me? |
| 15:31.24 | andylockran | trying too.. no luck thus far |
| 15:32.13 | mickey|ICE77 | hey zecke |
| 15:32.16 | Writchie | mickeyl: what is the interface to between the S3362 and the Samsung? |
| 15:32.27 | zecke | mickey|ICE77: hey! |
| 15:32.47 | andylockran | ScaredyCat: what's your IP? |
| 15:32.48 | zecke | mickey|ICE77: I hate my "Mobile", I want a Neo with UMTS! |
| 15:32.58 | mickey|ICE77 | zecke: me too |
| 15:32.59 | andylockran | I can see Ktorrent and Mainline |
| 15:33.02 | andylockran | I'm azureus |
| 15:33.10 | Ganneff | buy a neo and then a usb umts thingie :) |
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| 15:33.28 | Ganneff | that thing is only the same size as the neo |
| 15:33.30 | Ganneff | :) |
| 15:33.36 | RalphEichelberge | hey guys - i had just popped up a question in my head :) |
| 15:33.38 | zecke | mickey|ICE77: I'm in Cologne now, where are you? |
| 15:33.50 | ScaredyCat | 83. 160 .37. 253 |
| 15:33.54 | mickey|ICE77 | zecke: Karlsruhe. 25 minutes delay already |
| 15:33.55 | CM | ScaredyCat: There you are :) |
| 15:34.02 | RalphEichelberge | Is there a kind of change-log for openmoko? |
| 15:34.07 | ScaredyCat | yay |
| 15:34.21 | ScaredyCat | i see 2 peeps |
| 15:34.24 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 15:34.25 | andylockran | you've just arrived in the building :p |
| 15:34.27 | mickey|ICE77 | Writchie: dunno offhand and i don't have the specs w/ me. |
| 15:34.51 | ScaredyCat | better? |
| 15:34.57 | bipolar | yes |
| 15:35.07 | mickey|ICE77 | RalphEichelberge, well there is the openmoko-commits mailing list and the openembedded-commits mailing list |
| 15:35.11 | bipolar | about 85K down now |
| 15:35.16 | CM | ScaredyCat: Yes, at 35 kb/s now |
| 15:35.27 | CM | ScaredyCat: DHT? |
| 15:35.46 | RalphEichelberge | mickey where can i find it? |
| 15:35.53 | bipolar | CM: distributed tracking |
| 15:36.03 | ScaredyCat | DHT some super quick thing |
| 15:36.10 | Writchie | mickeyl: AFAYK is the image memory now separate from SDRAM and hanging off the 3362? |
| 15:36.21 | zecke | mickey|ICE77: I'm doing some janitor work on WebKit now... |
| 15:36.34 | mickey|ICE77 | RalphEichelberge: the mailing lists? |
| 15:36.39 | RalphEichelberge | yes |
| 15:36.40 | mickey|ICE77 | on the mailing list servers |
| 15:36.43 | mickey|ICE77 | linuxtogo.org for OE |
| 15:36.49 | mickey|ICE77 | and lists.openmoko.org for OM |
| 15:36.50 | mickey|ICE77 | iirc |
| 15:36.53 | mickey|ICE77 | zecke: cool :) |
| 15:37.17 | ScaredyCat | someone frome Germainia |
| 15:37.26 | RalphEichelberge | using a news client? |
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| 15:38.03 | mickey|ICE77 | there might be nntp->email gateways |
| 15:38.06 | mickey|ICE77 | but i have no idea bout these things |
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| 15:40.35 | RalphEichelberge | mickey: there are about 10 lists - which would you suggest ? |
| 15:40.47 | mickey|ICE77 | RalphEichelberge: the commit list |
| 15:41.02 | mickey|ICE77 | openmoko-commits or something |
| 15:41.26 | RalphEichelberge | i see - thx! |
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| 15:42.40 | Ghiottone|work | kristian-m: mmm then I have to find a way to add version specific depends |
| 15:43.02 | Ghiottone|work | mickey|ICE77: how do I add version specific DEPENDS in bb files? |
| 15:43.37 | mickey|ICE77 | DEPENDS = "foo-0.2.0" |
| 15:43.40 | mickey|ICE77 | iirc |
| 15:44.05 | mickey|ICE77 | or do you mean RDEPENDS? |
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| 15:44.56 | mickey|ICE77 | In that case RDEPENDS = "foo (0.2.0)" iirc |
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| 15:45.18 | thomasg | mickey|ICE77: as you surely know trolltech now supports the neo officially. do you know what they use for interaction with the gsm-modem? a own gsmd? also gpl? |
| 15:45.42 | mickey|ICE77 | they have their own modem interface |
| 15:45.44 | mickey|ICE77 | yes, i think it's gpl |
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| 15:46.12 | Writchie | thomasg: c++ classes with overloads for vendor specific stuff |
| 15:47.33 | thomasg | vendor specific? for the neo? |
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| 15:47.54 | Writchie | the neo mux is a bit different from their default of Basic |
| 15:48.07 | Writchie | but i'm not sure at this point whether mux is being used in the preview |
| 15:48.30 | Writchie | they have a dev mode with no mux |
| 15:48.32 | ScaredyCat | whatever it's doing, it's working :) |
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| 15:49.01 | DukeOfURL | Good morning. |
| 15:49.17 | Writchie | ScrardyCat: if you can't use GPRS and voice at same time it's mostly likely the dev mode |
| 15:49.26 | DukeOfURL | Is there any new information about the AT&T SIM incompatibility? |
| 15:50.55 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 15:51.11 | SpeedEvil | Nothing as to when it might be fixed, or ... |
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| 15:51.55 | Writchie | the project very badly needs a mailing list - weekly report |
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| 15:52.59 | Writchie | if you can't take 15 minutes to report - then you don't know what the f$*&9k your doing |
| 15:53.49 | DukeOfURL | Writchie: your comment was directed at who? |
| 15:54.34 | Writchie | those not reporting status to community |
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| 15:57.01 | mickey|ICE77 | hmm, i think that's a bit unfair. show me a company that has its commit logs, butracker logs, and all online. yet you ask for even more stuff |
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| 15:57.42 | mickey|ICE77 | i don't think that's how it works. |
| 15:57.42 | mickey|ICE77 | *shrug* |
| 15:57.44 | ScaredyCat | we want your daily life changelog too please :P |
| 15:57.54 | Writchie | mickey: that's all minutia |
| 15:58.25 | zecke | Writchie: you can install a green LED on your desktop if you want to check the status (think of homeland security) ;) |
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| 15:58.57 | Writchie | i guess you really don't want community help |
| 15:59.26 | mickey|ICE77 | oh yes, that's why i'm hanging around here |
| 15:59.32 | mickey|ICE77 | encouraging your dbus work |
| 15:59.33 | mickey|ICE77 | and stuff |
| 15:59.36 | Ghiottone|work | mickey|ICE77: thanks. what about DEPENDS on version greater than? |
| 15:59.37 | mickey|ICE77 | *sigh* |
| 15:59.49 | mickey|ICE77 | Ghiottone|work: that's not possible w/ bb atm. |
| 15:59.52 | Writchie | mickeyl: yes you are I appreciate that |
| 16:00.36 | ScaredyCat | thos: you still here? |
| 16:00.46 | Ghiottone|work | mickey|ICE77: mmm I wonder how to get around this limitation... thanks, anyway |
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| 16:01.07 | thos | ScaredyCat: hi |
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| 16:01.26 | SpeedEvil | Is it possible to fix the message on https://direct.openmoko.com/ ? |
| 16:01.36 | SpeedEvil | Please note that due to unexpected high demand, even at this early development stage, our quantities up to and including August 2007 are already oversold. This means that any orders placed now will not be shipping before September 10, 2007. We ask for your understanding. Your credit card will only be charged immediately before delivery. |
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| 16:02.27 | ScaredyCat | there's an error in the /etc/init.d/alsa-state |
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| 16:03.33 | ScaredyCat | or at least, if you copy the /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state to /etc/asound.state it should give audio on boot |
| 16:03.54 | aloril | emdete: Neo1973 has twice the memory of greenphone |
| 16:04.01 | mickey|ICE77 | i think stereoout being the default state is right ok |
| 16:04.08 | mickey|ICE77 | otherwise you wouldn't hear a ringtoe |
| 16:04.09 | mickey|ICE77 | ringtone, even |
| 16:04.15 | mwester | For those who need a break from high-tech mobile phones and smart devices: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=287 |
| 16:04.15 | mickey|ICE77 | heh |
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| 16:04.39 | mickey|ICE77 | fwiw, i'll be relieved if we can stop doing hardware fire fighting and concentrating on the software platform |
| 16:04.49 | mickey|ICE77 | but alas we are not there yet |
| 16:05.26 | ixs | mhm... just for the record: QTopia text input is completely fucked up. |
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| 16:08.15 | polz | ixs: how about calling ? |
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| 16:08.26 | polz | how -> what |
| 16:08.39 | polz | I mean... is that working more reliably than with openmoko ? |
| 16:09.16 | ScaredyCat | ahh ok, thanks mickey|ICE77 |
| 16:09.17 | bkruse | anyone in here started developing a gtk app yet? |
| 16:09.34 | thos | bkruse: started? |
| 16:09.50 | ScaredyCat | ixs: why? |
| 16:09.56 | ScaredyCat | it works perfectly |
| 16:10.04 | ixs | polz: calling is fine. |
| 16:10.34 | andylockran | bluetooth works ace :) |
| 16:10.35 | ixs | polz: the qtopia env does not use gsmd right now but their own libgsm plugin and dialing works fine. |
| 16:10.40 | ScaredyCat | ixs: is it because you're not sure how to use it? |
| 16:10.54 | polz | hmm... I'll check it out, then :) |
| 16:11.00 | polz | 10x :) |
| 16:11.04 | ScaredyCat | andylockran: headset? |
| 16:11.04 | andylockran | the hardware is so good |
| 16:11.10 | andylockran | no, just file transfer |
| 16:11.13 | andylockran | OBEX push |
| 16:11.15 | ScaredyCat | ahh cool |
| 16:11.28 | ixs | ScaredyCat: hmmmm. I do not know, colleague was just using it and considered it bad. |
| 16:11.41 | ixs | ScaredyCat: stuff like, not being able to switch of t9, or so |
| 16:11.55 | ixs | ScaredyCat: typing in something and then seeing the typed word being replaced by something else. |
| 16:11.57 | bkruse | thos: as in can give me source, like a skeleton app almost, if that makes sense. |
| 16:11.57 | andylockran | even got the pictures loaded on the phone that I sent |
| 16:12.11 | ScaredyCat | well, so long as you know the extra functions, swipe left, right up down |
| 16:12.20 | andylockran | someone write a media player for qtopia.. |
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| 16:13.37 | thos | bkruse: there are plenty of tutorials on gtk+ |
| 16:15.47 | mrface_ | is the neo sold in july a gta01bv4? |
| 16:15.56 | bkruse | thos: oh, I know |
| 16:15.59 | SpeedEvil | All neos sold are. |
| 16:16.03 | mickey|ICE77 | yes |
| 16:16.06 | bkruse | i mean binding the openmoko's gtk type things, like developing in pidgin |
| 16:16.11 | mrface_ | ok |
| 16:16.19 | bkruse | for drawing windows inside the interface, their gtk wrappers. |
| 16:16.30 | thos | bkruse: the wrappers are minimal at the moment |
| 16:16.48 | bkruse | thos: so people are trying to draw windows and widgets and buttons on their own? |
| 16:16.57 | bkruse | not on their own, but rather with hacked sizes |
| 16:17.17 | thos | bkruse: no |
| 16:17.22 | thos | bkruse: no hacks involved |
| 16:17.36 | thos | bkruse: this is all done properly |
| 16:17.45 | thos | rather than hacked together with a bolt on framework |
| 16:17.52 | riot | wow.. confirmation emails from openmoko.org's mailman just come in.. 3 weeks later.... wow! |
| 16:17.57 | thos | bkruse: please read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GUI_Style_Guidelines |
| 16:18.29 | mrface_ | so, I flashed a new u-boot a few weeks ago and it seems to be extremely corrupted and now I can't nand erase the rootfs. if I flash the newest u-boot, might that solve the problem? |
| 16:20.31 | ixs | riot: same here, just received some older bugzilla mails |
| 16:20.55 | riot | someone must've just kicked some mailservers butt.. |
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| 16:22.00 | mickey|ICE77 | fun |
| 16:24.03 | bkruse | thos: great! thats what I needed, thanks! |
| 16:26.41 | holycow | aha |
| 16:26.42 | holycow | qtopia qpls their toolkit |
| 16:26.42 | holycow | announces integration with neo :) |
| 16:26.42 | holycow | sweet |
| 16:26.52 | ScaredyCat | holycow holycow |
| 16:27.25 | andylockran | what |
| 16:27.25 | ScaredyCat | andylockran: |
| 16:27.34 | ScaredyCat | woaahh |
| 16:27.51 | ScaredyCat | you answered before I called you! |
| 16:28.18 | andylockran | ScaredyCat: I just saw holycow holycow |
| 16:28.24 | ScaredyCat | ahh |
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| 16:29.09 | ScaredyCat | the bt file transfer worked fine.. ? I'm loathed to test it here as every time i plug in the bt dongle it kills my wifi |
| 16:29.24 | andylockran | yeah, bt file transfer worked ace |
| 16:29.39 | andylockran | jpeg opened on the phone good too - though needed rotating and that's not immediately obvious |
| 16:29.57 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 16:30.00 | ScaredyCat | cool.. |
| 16:30.05 | ScaredyCat | where did it store it ? |
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| 16:30.27 | andylockran | just hope that the "network registration denied" error disappears when I take it outside on the concrete jungle I'm in... |
| 16:30.41 | andylockran | * of the |
| 16:31.17 | andylockran | btw - whoever wanted to nand erase thingy - I didn't use sudo to cu to the device |
| 16:31.28 | andylockran | it didn't work with sudo.. but worked without it |
| 16:31.30 | berkus | people come seeking refuge and ask: "is the new batch shipped yet? at least to the US?" |
| 16:31.36 | berkus | and good news about qtopia for openmoko, standing ovation folks. |
| 16:32.00 | andylockran | this is the busiest this place has been since 9th July... |
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| 16:32.09 | andylockran | busiest - most repetitive.. but good |
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| 16:33.16 | andylockran | ScaredyCat: howto screenshot of qtopia on neo? |
| 16:33.33 | ScaredyCat | cat /dev/fb0 >myfile.raw |
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| 16:34.32 | ScaredyCat | then fb2png myfile.raw myimage.png 9 480 640 16 |
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| 16:37.47 | bedboi | it's impossible to work with a bbq 10 m away |
| 16:37.53 | bedboi | damn IEEE student branch |
| 16:40.32 | andylockran | ScaredyCat: what can open the raw file from the screenshot? |
| 16:40.48 | ScaredyCat | us fb2png |
| 16:40.50 | andylockran | it stored it in a special file folder (bottom right icon on main menu) |
| 16:40.51 | ScaredyCat | use |
| 16:41.01 | ScaredyCat | fb2png myfile.raw myimage.png 9 480 640 16 |
| 16:41.22 | ScaredyCat | where on the filesystem though? |
| 16:41.32 | andylockran | haven't looked yet.. give me 2 |
| 16:41.50 | andylockran | how can I ssh into qtopia |
| 16:41.53 | ScaredyCat | ssh |
| 16:42.03 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 16:42.11 | andylockran | ip addy? |
| 16:42.14 | ScaredyCat | make sure you setup dhcp etc |
| 16:42.35 | andylockran | is it a similar setup to OM? |
| 16:43.03 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but you a) need a dhcp server or b) need to onfig it with fixed ip |
| 16:43.49 | ScaredyCat | click (saner + screwdriver) icon |
| 16:43.55 | ScaredyCat | then internet |
| 16:44.03 | ScaredyCat | saner == spanner |
| 16:44.33 | andylockran | yup |
| 16:44.55 | ScaredyCat | then click bottom left icon (looks like a 'list') |
| 16:45.06 | ScaredyCat | then select 'new' from that menu |
| 16:45.10 | andylockran | yup.. |
| 16:45.19 | ScaredyCat | select ethernet |
| 16:45.29 | ScaredyCat | then ip settings |
| 16:45.51 | ScaredyCat | if you disable the 'autom IP' you can set it manually |
| 16:46.05 | andylockran | how do you input numbers? |
| 16:46.08 | ScaredyCat | or run a dhcp server on your pc/lappy :) |
| 16:46.19 | andylockran | yeah I have a dhcp server on the comp |
| 16:46.21 | andylockran | I'll do that |
| 16:46.26 | ScaredyCat | when you get the keyboard |
| 16:46.27 | ScaredyCat | ... |
| 16:46.44 | ScaredyCat | do a stroke down... |
| 16:46.47 | ScaredyCat | ie |
| 16:47.11 | ScaredyCat | position just above the 't' and drag down to 'c' |
| 16:47.25 | ScaredyCat | the qwerty kb should change |
| 16:47.29 | ScaredyCat | to numbers...# |
| 16:47.53 | ScaredyCat | you can go the other way too.. + if you keep doing it you get more layouts |
| 16:48.09 | ScaredyCat | stroke left to delete |
| 16:48.43 | Writchie | ScaredyCat: this belongs on #qtopia doesn't it? |
| 16:49.14 | ScaredyCat | no.. |
| 16:49.42 | ScaredyCat | people want to explore it as an option... |
| 16:49.47 | ScaredyCat | neo ownrs. |
| 16:50.00 | ScaredyCat | they wont go to #qtopia |
| 16:50.09 | Writchie | which is fine, but this is group for openmoko not qtopia or neo |
| 16:50.22 | ScaredyCat | besides the more we try things out. the more we can see what works well on the neo |
| 16:50.50 | Writchie | i'm not opposed to this all, just keeping it in the right forum |
| 16:51.05 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
| 16:51.32 | Writchie | IMHO |
| 16:51.34 | SpeedEvil | If it gets swamped by QT or neo, or VMS, or .. traffic then we need to do something. |
| 16:51.45 | SpeedEvil | but at the moment it's quite far from that. |
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| 16:53.43 | ScaredyCat | well, to be frank, this channel has always been about both openmoko s/w *and* the neo... |
| 16:53.50 | andylockran | yeah, I think if it does, then there need to be a #neo1973 channel |
| 16:54.26 | ScaredyCat | fragmentation at this point is probably not a good idea |
| 16:54.40 | andylockran | not unless it's needed |
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| 16:54.53 | andylockran | and currently, it's probably not needed |
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| 16:56.48 | LarstiQ | ScaredyCat: amen |
| 16:57.26 | andylockran | ok - this is getting a little silly (sorry for this) how do I see what ip address my dhcp server gave my phone... |
| 16:58.19 | ScaredyCat | cat /var/log/messages |
| 16:59.51 | ScaredyCat | you using dhcpd ? |
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| 17:01.41 | andylockran | yeah |
| 17:02.23 | andylockran | and passwd? |
| 17:03.05 | thos | andylockran: did you set your phone to dhcp? |
| 17:03.10 | ScaredyCat | username and pasword not needed |
| 17:03.21 | ScaredyCat | cat /var/log/messages | grep dhcpd |
| 17:03.31 | ScaredyCat | should list the mac address + request |
| 17:07.21 | andylockran | argh.. no way of seeing IP on the devide |
| 17:07.23 | andylockran | device |
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| 17:16.12 | DukeOfURL | what's the purpose of the center connector on the Neo battery? |
| 17:16.27 | andylockran | DukeOfURL: earth... |
| 17:16.47 | DukeOfURL | The label says "TH" |
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| 17:18.26 | andylockran | no idea - I'll see if I can find out |
| 17:25.49 | SpeedEvil | Temperature |
| 17:25.49 | SpeedEvil | it's got a THermocouple connected to it |
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| 17:25.50 | BlahCAt | that was the bluetooth :/ |
| 17:25.52 | Maledictus | Are the usb devices from the neo exposed to the host in qemu-neo1973? |
| 17:25.53 | DukeOfURL | will it shut down if it gets too hot? |
| 17:26.06 | DukeOfURL | or does the CPU have to shut it down? |
| 17:27.46 | andylockran | this is dead bad.. I can't setup the ethernet connection.. there's the one that says "online" but I can't configure it.. and the one I can configure is "unavailable" |
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| 17:29.06 | ScaredyCat | both 'eth'? |
| 17:29.41 | andylockran | posibly.. but i can't do anything to the first entry deleting included |
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| 17:30.22 | SpeedEvil | You can't even move your existing O2 number to it. |
| 17:30.28 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 17:30.44 | bipolar | that seems.... retarded |
| 17:30.49 | andylockran | SpeedEvil: it's a bit of a pyrich victory for O2 I reckon.. they're "upgrading their UMTS network to edge" |
| 17:30.58 | andylockran | which to all intents and purposes is a downgrade |
| 17:30.59 | ScaredyCat | i'm pretty sure it'd be illegal too |
| 17:31.12 | andylockran | it's just a bad thing... |
| 17:31.13 | ScaredyCat | number portability is a requirement |
| 17:31.28 | andylockran | argh.. but my current predicament is bugging me |
| 17:31.29 | SpeedEvil | To give everyone a chance, there'll be a limit of two iPhones per customer in-store and online. Oh, and we're afraid we can't accept cash. |
| 17:31.41 | ScaredyCat | wtf! |
| 17:31.44 | ScaredyCat | no cash? |
| 17:31.50 | ScaredyCat | roflmao |
| 17:32.03 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - that's only buisness customers. Others can mve the number |
| 17:32.19 | ScaredyCat | andylockran: i don't see what's wrong. |
| 17:32.22 | SpeedEvil | 35 pounds/mo for 18mo |
| 17:32.29 | ScaredyCat | can't you just config it non dhcp... |
| 17:32.42 | ScaredyCat | ie with the 192.168.0.202 address? |
| 17:32.51 | andylockran | ScaredyCat: it is completely unconfigurable - I would config it non dhcp.. (it's running qtopia |
| 17:33.19 | ScaredyCat | I dont get why you can't just click the checkbox |
| 17:33.31 | andylockran | it doesn't load into that screen |
| 17:33.36 | andylockran | I have the list of devices |
| 17:33.45 | ScaredyCat | even when you do 'new' ? |
| 17:33.46 | andylockran | but the eth device is static.. click on it and nothing |
| 17:33.58 | andylockran | yeah.. when I do new it creates eth1 which is 'unavailable' |
| 17:34.01 | ScaredyCat | are you trying to reconfigure it while connected? |
| 17:34.29 | SpeedEvil | According to The Guardian, O2's UK agreement will see the mobile operator give Apple up to 40 percent of its iPhone revenues... |
| 17:34.35 | SpeedEvil | Ow. |
| 17:34.54 | ScaredyCat | yeah, saw that ... note revenue, not net profit |
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| 17:37.10 | ScaredyCat | yoink! |
| 17:37.10 | andylockran | hey |
| 17:37.10 | andylockran | how can I disconnect it? |
| 17:37.13 | Lynet | That's insane. Jobs *must* be spiking the water in these secret meetings with the carriers. |
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| 17:37.49 | bipolar | welcome back heinlein |
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| 17:40.15 | folken | hmm the qtopia release works quite well. |
| 17:40.57 | Canute- | So it seems stable? |
| 17:40.59 | Lynet | Score one for KDE over GNOME? |
| 17:41.15 | folken | i actually only managed to crash an application once so far. |
| 17:41.34 | folken | i expected a lot more instability.. especially since i'm used to opie. |
| 17:42.06 | folken | there are some quirks in the user interface.. the mixer settings are still incorrect. |
| 17:42.29 | folken | but calling/recieving calls works well. Sms recpection works good. |
| 17:42.49 | folken | i haven't been able to sync with libopensync-opie.. |
| 17:43.23 | folken | hey but it always asks for pin at startup.. and no gsmd that dies at random. :) |
| 17:43.43 | Canute- | Then you could actually use it ! |
| 17:43.44 | Canute- | :p |
| 17:43.52 | folken | its actually useable yes. |
| 17:44.01 | Jiten | folken: does it work well enough that you could use it as a phone? |
| 17:44.08 | andylockran | Jiten: yeah |
| 17:44.12 | folken | Jiten: i'm using it since today. |
| 17:44.21 | u_l-lap | ooo |
| 17:44.25 | folken | Jiten: full time.. my se k600i died. |
| 17:44.32 | Jiten | how about power management? |
| 17:44.37 | Jiten | that is... battery life :) |
| 17:44.50 | folken | not sure yet about that one. |
| 17:45.16 | folken | but it blanks the display and wakes up reliably. Clock is screwed however.. doesn't run at the correct tic rate. |
| 17:46.20 | Jiten | that's actually a rather big minus. I use my phone as a clock :P |
| 17:46.23 | Ghiottone | hi all |
| 17:46.35 | Ghiottone | could a dual boot openmoko/qtopia be done? |
| 17:46.47 | andylockran | Ghiottone: there;s talk on that on the lists |
| 17:47.00 | orospakr | weird. why isn't OpenMoko using the same GSM daemon as qtopia? |
| 17:47.03 | andylockran | theoretically, yes.. but SD usage would be required |
| 17:47.27 | andylockran | orospakr: qtopia's wasn't GPL'd til today.. hence the excitement (as I understand it) |
| 17:47.33 | orospakr | ah! |
| 17:47.34 | orospakr | OK! |
| 17:47.36 | Ghiottone | andylockran, yeah I saw. I was about to try to do it. I got an idea but don't know |
| 17:47.37 | orospakr | that was the non-free piece. |
| 17:47.38 | Jiten | andylockran: most of it was I read. |
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| 17:48.06 | andylockran | Jiten: yeah, gsm being a part of what was |
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| 17:49.21 | Ghiottone | where are the images of qtopia for the neo? |
| 17:49.27 | berkus | heh.. somehow i don't expect many openmoko devs running off for qtopia |
| 17:49.49 | mintee | Not trying to spam the channel or anything, but I'm kinda hard up for money so I threw my moko up on ebay. |
| 17:49.54 | mintee | http://cgi.ebay.com/OpenMoko-Neo1973-GTA01BV4_W0QQitemZ180158766008QQihZ008QQcategoryZ38331QQcmdZViewItem |
| 17:50.07 | mintee | just an FYI... in case someone is looking for one |
| 17:50.51 | ruoso | Ghiottone, qtopia.net |
| 17:51.05 | tuukkah | anyone willing to review my recipe for pywebkitgtk? http://io.fenlight.com/~openmoko-build/local/packages/python/python-pywebkitgtk_git.bb |
| 17:52.07 | Ghiottone | ruoso, thanks |
| 17:52.39 | ruoso | but anyway... the qtopia software doesn't seem much in better shape than the later versions of openmoko |
| 17:53.28 | ruoso | the sound problem also appears in it... |
| 17:54.42 | Ghiottone | tuukkah, is it failing? |
| 17:55.07 | tuukkah | Ghiottone, no, seems to be working but i'd like to know if i'm doing something "the wrong way" |
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| 17:55.23 | hozer | how does the qtopia stuff build the kernel? |
| 17:55.34 | hozer | or do they use an openmoko build |
| 17:56.08 | ruoso | hozer, they use a openmoko build |
| 17:56.16 | ruoso | even the bootsplash is the same |
| 17:56.24 | andylockran | yeah.. it's kewl |
| 17:56.35 | andylockran | advantages of open hardware |
| 17:56.51 | andylockran | consumer choice.. and improved sets of software (both openmoko and qtopia) |
| 17:57.04 | andylockran | today was a big day.. |
| 17:57.08 | ruoso | yep... it's the best thing that can happen |
| 17:57.20 | ruoso | this creates demands for more hardware |
| 17:57.32 | andylockran | yeah, which gets more developers with devices |
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| 17:59.15 | Ghiottone | tuukkah, do you have any .pyo files? |
| 18:00.26 | tuukkah | Ghiottone, not at this point at least, it's just a .so |
| 18:01.54 | Ghiottone | tuukkah, then I see no problem with it. but I'm just a newbie in bb recipes. |
| 18:02.32 | tuukkah | Ghiottone, do you know what's the process to get it included officially in oe and om? |
| 18:03.03 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Message duplicates |
| 18:03.03 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: Fwd: OpenMoko 2007.2 on Palm TX and 1 other mails |
| 18:03.03 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: The ongoing SRCREV saga |
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| 18:03.34 | ScaredyCat | ruoso: the sound problem is minor |
| 18:04.17 | aloril | (script) planet: Daniel Willmann: Navit on Neo1973 https://www.totalueberwachung.de/blog/articles/2007/09/18/navit-on-neo1973 Marcin "hrw" Juszkiewicz: Greece - we are coming http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/09/15/greece-we-are-coming/ Marcin "hrw" Juszkiewicz: Digged http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/09/14/digged/ Marcin "hrw" Juszkiewicz: OpenMoko 2007.2 testing http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/09/13/openmoko-20072-testing/ Koen Kooi: A quick guide to freeing your A78 |
| 18:04.18 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Rotary_Dialer]] [[Manually_using_Bluetooth]] [[User:ChrisLord]] [[User:Phisky]] [[Basic_End-user/de]] [[OpenMoko_Wiki_Editing_Guidelines/de]] [[User:Crazycoyote]] [[Mokopedia]] [[Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0]] [[Qtopia_on_Neo_1973]] and other changes |
| 18:05.29 | Ghiottone | tuukkah, yes. you have to open a bug at openembedded |
| 18:05.51 | Ghiottone | tuukkah, and then tell the bug number to someone like rwhitby or mickeyl I think |
| 18:06.29 | hozer | oh yeah.... |
| 18:06.48 | hozer | I can hear the GSM signal interference in the neo speaker when I make a call |
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| 18:07.45 | Ghiottone | is the rootfs of qtopia 32MB? |
| 18:07.51 | andylockran | eootfs |
| 18:07.53 | andylockran | yeah |
| 18:08.00 | hozer | small.. |
| 18:08.23 | Ghiottone | does it mean that the root fs size should be 32mb too? |
| 18:08.23 | mookid | can anyone tell me when the next shipment of the phones is in? been waiting for 2 weeks >:@ |
| 18:08.31 | andylockran | sorry |
| 18:08.34 | Ghiottone | I'm about to repartition the SD card... |
| 18:08.44 | andylockran | the tgz with them both in is 32MB |
| 18:08.45 | andylockran | hold on |
| 18:09.22 | andylockran | qtopis rootfs = 31.3MB |
| 18:09.39 | andylockran | krn = 1.5MB |
| 18:09.42 | Ghiottone | andylockran, thanks! |
| 18:09.47 | andylockran | no problsm |
| 18:09.58 | dkr | mookid: gta_01 or gta_02? |
| 18:10.01 | Ghiottone | andylockran, the problem I see now is that qtopia's krnl is 2.6.21 |
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| 18:10.09 | andylockran | let us know how you get on with networking.. I'm stuck on it |
| 18:10.12 | andylockran | what's wrong with that? |
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| 18:12.19 | folken | hmm.. ok i have a bug that in the qtopia image that prevents it from being my phone replacement.. it doesn't wake up reliably on incoming calls. |
| 18:12.43 | Ghiottone | andylockran, the openmoko kernel is 2.6.22.5 atm |
| 18:12.52 | hozer | folken: does openmoko? ;) |
| 18:12.52 | Ghiottone | andylockran, so I can't use the same for the dual boot |
| 18:13.17 | Ghiottone | andylockran, for networking, there was a chat some hours ago on how to get it working |
| 18:13.36 | Ghiottone | andylockran, iirc you should have a dhcp server on your machine or set up the phone with a fixed ip address |
| 18:15.36 | Ghiottone | can the u-boot read the kernel from the sd card? |
| 18:15.50 | SpeedEvil | From memory, yes. |
| 18:15.57 | SpeedEvil | I think it's two part. |
| 18:16.02 | SpeedEvil | 'read from SD' |
| 18:16.05 | SpeedEvil | execute |
| 18:16.27 | Ghiottone | where does it have to be on the SD card? |
| 18:17.09 | SpeedEvil | Anywhere - but the SD card has to be formatted ext2 as I understnad it |
| 18:18.09 | Ghiottone | anywhere? what does it mean? I have two partitions on the sd. first is ext2, second is the qtopia jffs2 image |
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| 18:18.27 | SpeedEvil | Anywhere on the ext2 partition I mean |
| 18:18.32 | SpeedEvil | it's read as a file. |
| 18:18.42 | SpeedEvil | I think it's documented on [[bootloader]] |
| 18:18.47 | dkr | "Where is the TV-Out possibilty ? Nearly every Smartphone in this Price Class has this possibility to display Data over a Beamer !" is "beamer" a german mistranslation to english of "projector"? |
| 18:19.10 | dkr | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P1_Review |
| 18:19.55 | Ghiottone | SpeedEvil, ah so I need a pc then |
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| 18:20.28 | SpeedEvil | Ghiottone: I don't think you do. |
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| 18:20.38 | Ghiottone | SpeedEvil, do you think I can create a menu entry? |
| 18:20.51 | SpeedEvil | Should be able to. |
| 18:21.07 | SpeedEvil | I don't know really - I'd advocate reading the docs, I haven't done that. |
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| 18:24.32 | anrp | nearly every? |
| 18:25.22 | Lynet | I suspect that "nearly every" == "a few of the most expensive Nokias". |
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| 18:27.02 | Ghiottone | it boots as I do ext2ls mmc 0 ... |
| 18:27.03 | Ghiottone | strange |
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| 18:29.10 | webjames | hi i've got a problem error 255 when trying to run openmoko: http://dpaste.com/20017/ |
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| 18:31.24 | dkr | hrm, I signed up for wiki account, tried to add my name to phase 2 wishlist, got told I must verify my e-mail address to edit pages, went to prefs, hit confirm, it sent mail, I got mail 2 seconds later, I clicked confirm link and it says, "Invalid confirmation code. The code may have expired" |
| 18:35.32 | dkr | and I can't find any link for mailing about bugs. hrm, do the wiki admins use bugzilla also? |
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| 18:38.46 | dkr | well, they sort of do, it seems. found category for it, but also bugs open for very long time. :) maybe I found a spot I can contribute to. I'm more of a sysadmin/web dev than low level coder |
| 18:39.38 | krau | hi! Is it possible recover a openmoko WITHOUT JTAG? A standard flash doesn't help me since the "DFU capable device" is not recognized. |
| 18:40.09 | SpeedEvil | krau: what did you do to it? |
| 18:40.11 | dkr | ah, it sent a second confirmation mail a few minuets later and this one worked. so at least it's not a showstopper bug |
| 18:40.56 | krau | I lost the bootloader :-( |
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| 18:41.06 | webjames | hi i've got a problem error 255 when trying to run openmoko: http://dpaste.com/20017/ |
| 18:41.10 | SpeedEvil | krau: what does it do when you press the power button? |
| 18:41.28 | SpeedEvil | And how did you 'lose' it? |
| 18:41.32 | krau | nothing |
| 18:42.51 | krau | the flashing instructions doesn't help me. Probably the devirginator is the only way to recover it. |
| 18:43.00 | SpeedEvil | Are you sure it's not battery discharged? |
| 18:43.45 | thomasg | if you didn't flash/erase u-boot, it shouldn't be possible to destroy it |
| 18:44.04 | krau | how can I charge it? for this case, connect the usb cable will not help me. I have a debug board, but I don't have JTAG |
| 18:44.07 | SpeedEvil | It's _possible_ - random root code bugs. |
| 18:44.11 | SpeedEvil | Banishingly unlikely. |
| 18:44.18 | SpeedEvil | Unplug battery |
| 18:44.21 | SpeedEvil | wait 30 mins |
| 18:44.27 | thomasg | plug in |
| 18:44.28 | SpeedEvil | replug battery |
| 18:44.30 | thomasg | wait 10 minutes |
| 18:44.33 | SpeedEvil | (after unplugging) |
| 18:44.35 | thomasg | :) |
| 18:44.42 | SpeedEvil | now plug into USB, and wait an hour |
| 18:45.12 | dkr | now I remember why I went into software instead of hardware |
| 18:45.18 | SpeedEvil | Do you have a DMM? |
| 18:45.47 | krau | thanks, I will try. But it the worst case, if this procedure doesn't help me, is it possible try recover it without JTAG? |
| 18:46.00 | krau | DMM? |
| 18:46.13 | SpeedEvil | Digital Multimeter. |
| 18:46.31 | SpeedEvil | krau: it's _Really_ unlikely that the flash has become damaged, unless you were doing odd stuff |
| 18:46.38 | bkruse | SpeedEvil: agreed. |
| 18:46.43 | SpeedEvil | playing with dd, or suck |
| 18:46.47 | SpeedEvil | such |
| 18:46.56 | bkruse | by odd you mean retarded. |
| 18:47.27 | krau | don't blame me, someone(not me) did that ;-) |
| 18:47.35 | SpeedEvil | what did they do? |
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| 18:51.32 | krau | I have no idea! |
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| 18:55.41 | tuukkah | rwhitby, mickey|zzZZzz, i've submitted a recipe for PyWebKitGtk at http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3028 |
| 18:57.32 | webjames | U-boot has a problem, core dump 17958 Segmentation fault |
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| 18:58.44 | LuitvD | haven't been here for a while :) |
| 19:00.39 | LuitvD | GPL'd QPE sounds good :) has anybody tried it yet? |
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| 19:00.48 | LuitvD | s/yet/already/ |
| 19:01.16 | Jiten | LuitvD: yes a few people have tried it. it apparently works pretty well |
| 19:01.31 | LuitvD | niice |
| 19:01.46 | LuitvD | I hope I can try it on my device too :) (not a FIC) |
| 19:03.21 | LuitvD | has it been discussed on the ML somewhere? or on the wiki already? |
| 19:03.52 | folken | Jiten: i found a show stopper for me.. it doesn't wake up reliably on incoming calls. |
| 19:04.04 | ixs | folken: it has problems waking up in general |
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| 19:04.21 | folken | ixs: pressing the buttons a couple of times usually gets it awake. :) |
| 19:05.00 | Mek | sounds like my macbook pro :P |
| 19:05.30 | ixs | folken: does yours flash white as well? |
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| 19:09.42 | notserpe | blahblahblah qtopia on the moko announced. |
| 19:10.07 | Knirch | I was happier to see it be announced for the 770 :) |
| 19:12.53 | webjames | is openmoko no longer working with qemu? |
| 19:13.18 | Mek | it worked (almost) fine for me... |
| 19:13.59 | webjames | i've tried both manually and with mokomakefile, it worked a week ago |
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| 19:14.46 | webjames | Mek http://dpaste.com/20017/ |
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| 19:15.40 | berkus | dkr: gta_01, at least. as i know gta_02 is bit way off |
| 19:15.52 | Mek | I had the same crash, but after removing the "nand createbbt" line from flash.sh everything seemed to work fine... |
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| 19:16.19 | webjames | cool, i'll try |
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| 19:20.40 | notserpe | there seems to be alot of qt/opia trolls around. |
| 19:21.58 | cw666 | notserpe: once it's building and working those troll might become fanboys (or fangirls, but i doubt there are many if any women here) |
| 19:22.21 | cindy | Hey, there are some women here. |
| 19:22.28 | mmazur | Aria, kill! |
| 19:22.42 | notserpe | I'm annoyed with the potential developer split and fact that they're pushing this on *openmoko" lists/spaces. |
| 19:23.04 | Aria | mmazur. |
| 19:23.14 | mmazur | Aria, oh, nothing :) |
| 19:23.20 | Aria | Hah |
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| 19:25.38 | ixs | notserpe: ohh come one. shuddup already. The qtopia thing is a good thing. A) it silences the "why are you not doing kde on the device?" people and results in kde fans buying the phone as well. yay. B) qtopia is actually useful, so the people who have to use the device as their main phone can do so. More fun for them. |
| 19:25.44 | ixs | crap |
| 19:25.49 | ixs | he went away. |
| 19:26.13 | cindy | A wave back at you Aria. |
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| 19:27.52 | berkus | ixs: don't feed the t... well |
| 19:28.13 | berkus | i mean, you got two valid points here |
| 19:28.28 | ixs | :) |
| 19:28.29 | ixs | thx |
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| 19:31.18 | Grungebunny | hello im curious about the this openmoko... does it support the V3 Razr ? or will it in the future? |
| 19:31.18 | aloril | Grungebunny: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:32.00 | u_l-lap | Qt is nicer than Gtk+ by a lot |
| 19:32.07 | polz | Grungebunny: right now, it doesn't even support the neo properly, so perhaps it will, in a few months or even years |
| 19:32.33 | polz | u_l-lap: that's a matter of taste. Vim is better than emacs and so on. |
| 19:32.47 | u_l-lap | polz: it is more robust, far more featureful, etc. |
| 19:32.48 | Grungebunny | hmm.. probably won't be using that phone in years.. but I still love the idea of an OpenOS for a phone. |
| 19:33.01 | mjr | u_l-lap, are you trying to start a flamefest or what? |
| 19:33.02 | u_l-lap | and you can generate complete bindings for any language with a couple hundred lines of code (if that) |
| 19:33.05 | u_l-lap | just saying |
| 19:33.10 | u_l-lap | less painful to deal with |
| 19:33.15 | mjr | I'm sure just. |
| 19:33.26 | polz | u_l-lap: and re-implements a large part of stl, plus it needs a non-standard pre-processor |
| 19:33.29 | u_l-lap | mjr: you're the one who brought up a flamefest! |
| 19:33.41 | mjr | pfft, go away |
| 19:33.42 | webjames | so openmoko is gnu, and qutopia |
| 19:33.47 | webjames | is kde? |
| 19:33.56 | u_l-lap | polz: which isn't a huge deal since you get nice generic collections and whatnot |
| 19:34.24 | u_l-lap | webjames: openmoko is something like the gnome mobile platform and qtopia is Qt based |
| 19:34.30 | polz | u_l-lap: sure, but it's ugly. It solves the problems one layer higher than they're supposed to be solved. |
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| 19:34.45 | u_l-lap | webjames: qtopia could be imported into openmoko if someone packaged it |
| 19:34.52 | polz | hozer: hehe, true :) |
| 19:34.59 | u_l-lap | polz: C++ and C are both ugly |
| 19:35.00 | mwester | webjames: It's a battle of T-shirts -- when what counts is what's beneath. |
| 19:35.07 | webjames | u_l-lap: cool, i'm a gnome fan, and love the openmoko interface |
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| 19:35.20 | u_l-lap | but with Qt you at least get a decent amount of runtime type info so you can generate nicer bindings into a real language |
| 19:36.37 | mwester | but currently the GTA01 kernel doesn't do power management, there isn't a driver for the GPS -- surely the battle of the GUIs can wait until we get the basics working? Please? |
| 19:37.38 | u_l-lap | mwester: luckily the qpe gsm stuff appears to have been gpled today so maybe gsmd can steal some of the code and work |
| 19:37.52 | webjames | i suppose the argument is, if there are two interfaces resources are going to be spread thinner. but maybe having choice is a good thing. gnome and kde have worked |
| 19:38.40 | berkus | u_l-lap: Qt is superior toolkit, but saying this in a gnome-biased channel is one of the forms of suicide |
| 19:38.41 | mwester | u_l-lap: :) Yep, I'm hopeful we can learn from that -- but I don't think the qpe stuff has a driver for the GPS chip either. |
| 19:38.43 | bmidgley | is there a command-line arg to ssh so it doesn't complain about known_hosts every time I reflash my neo? |
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| 19:39.22 | hozer | speaking of which.. isn't there supposed to be a bin-only GPS driver out sometime? |
| 19:39.39 | mjr | hozer, there is |
| 19:39.42 | mwester | bmidgley: I think it's a config file that operates globally, so if you change it you become vulnerable to man-in-the-middle attacks if you ssh to other servers... |
| 19:40.00 | Psi | i just delete the file |
| 19:40.06 | hozer | mjr: yeah? cool.. is anyone using it? |
| 19:40.07 | mwester | hozer: Yes, it's being worked on, but apparently does not yet work. |
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| 19:40.15 | mjr | hozer, supposed to be out sometime. |
| 19:40.17 | pavelm | Hello, everyone. |
| 19:40.38 | tuukkah | bmidgley, -o"StrictHostKeyChecking=no" might do it |
| 19:40.40 | mwester | hozer: It's a closed-source library that interfaces with the GPS chip :( |
| 19:40.45 | u_l-lap | berkus: I'm already planning to write a mcclim based ui for my phone once I get a gta02 |
| 19:40.53 | u_l-lap | if I have time |
| 19:41.00 | pavelm | I'm trying qt/phone on openmoko, but get some jffs2 errors, then panic: no init found. |
| 19:41.08 | berkus | u_l-lap: mcclim? |
| 19:41.08 | pavelm | Did anyone get it to work? |
| 19:41.22 | u_l-lap | berkus: lgpled implementation of the common lisp interface manager |
| 19:41.28 | hozer | mwester: closed source is fine, for now.. as long as it works and there's no non-gpl kernel code ;) |
| 19:41.30 | berkus | u_l-lap: oh dear |
| 19:41.52 | berkus | u_l-lap: for some reason i suspect that'll work |
| 19:41.58 | hozer | I just want to track cell tower signal strength |
| 19:42.00 | CM | pavelm: Yes, ScaredyCat at least |
| 19:42.21 | berkus | damn it, i want my gta01 <:( |
| 19:42.22 | hozer | it would be nice to have a collaborative real-world cell provider signal strenght map |
| 19:42.29 | pavelm | ok, I think I may have too old bootloader. |
| 19:42.50 | pavelm | hozer: Yep, that would be really interesting. Openmoko is ideal for mapping signal: both phone and gps :-) |
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| 19:43.40 | CM | pavelm: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973 |
| 19:43.46 | bmidgley | qtopia on neo has a lot of openmoko stuff underneath |
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| 19:44.14 | pavelm | Thanks, CM! |
| 19:44.53 | notserpe | qtopia on neo is openmoko drag |
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| 19:47.40 | pavelm | notserpe: Maybe, but I still want to try it out. |
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| 19:47.56 | hozer | CM: cool |
| 19:50.06 | cw666 | cindy: heh, my apologies |
| 19:52.42 | cindy | cw666: no problem - surely I am used to being in the extreme minority by now...being in hardware/software for > 20 years |
| 19:53.34 | cw666 | cindy: i have a friend who is vague about her first name to avoid being treated differently |
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| 19:55.03 | Writchie|lunch | k |
| 19:56.45 | polz | notserpe: actually, the most serious problems with openmoko seem to be beneath the GUI |
| 19:57.06 | notserpe | polz: such as? |
| 19:57.11 | polz | notserpe: so qtopia shouldn't be that much of a drag |
| 19:57.19 | polz | notserpe: such as gsmd not working reliably |
| 19:57.46 | polz | or is that just the dialer's fault now ? |
| 19:58.37 | polz | notserpe: oh, and having a screwed-up sound system... although I guess that could be a GUI issue. |
| 19:58.46 | notserpe | it's a big drag on resources. the project poobahs have chosen GTK not QT for obvious reasons IMHO |
| 19:59.10 | polz | btw, is it possible to save the state of just some mixer channels into an alsa .state file ? |
| 19:59.19 | notserpe | polz: if something is broken, fix it. |
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| 19:59.28 | cw666 | polz: no, gsmd is still b0rked for some people |
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| 19:59.49 | notserpe | polz: don't attempt to split the community on UI |
| 19:59.49 | polz | notserpe: too bad the build system is also a drag ... while it might not be broken, I've been struggling with it for weeks now |
| 19:59.52 | cw666 | notserpe: btw, there are those who don't agree with you when it comes to GTK vs QT |
| 20:00.03 | cw666 | notserpe: so proponents of each should show what they can do and users can choose |
| 20:00.14 | polz | notserpe: I don't see the community producing that many fresh GUI apps as it is. |
| 20:00.15 | notserpe | cw666: there is no argument here. OpenMoko is GTK... live with it. |
| 20:00.40 | cw666 | notserpe: right, but there are plenty of people who want an open hackable phone but not openmoko, the neo' isn't a bad choice there |
| 20:00.41 | notserpe | serious developers are scarce and this is a resource suck at the moment. |
| 20:00.44 | thomasg | I think the problem here is not QT vs. GTK, it's OpenMoko vs. qtopia, isn't it? I mean: 2 sdks, 2 guis, 2 different softwaredistributions. and X vs FB |
| 20:00.45 | cw666 | (given there are so few options right now) |
| 20:01.07 | notserpe | cw666: last time I checked this was #openmoko and so were the mailing lists I subscribed to... |
| 20:01.27 | cw666 | notserpe: is there are neo mailist list or channel? |
| 20:01.31 | polz | thomasg: I hope the Qt people can be convinced to at least re-licence a part of their code under LGPL |
| 20:01.40 | cw666 | given here is likely to be condirable overlap in places does it hurt to talk about both here? |
| 20:01.52 | notserpe | cw666: so few options? the platform is free dude. |
| 20:01.53 | thomasg | polz: qtopia is completely under GPL afaik |
| 20:01.59 | polz | especially if SMS+dialer work flawlessly under qtopia |
| 20:02.19 | polz | thomasg: I know... that's what I'm worried about. |
| 20:02.22 | cw666 | notserpe: i'm talking about hardware, the neo is certainly more affordable and more 'open' than some alternatives |
| 20:02.38 | notserpe | cw666: like that provided by QT proponents for example |
| 20:02.41 | thomasg | polz: why? |
| 20:02.58 | SpeedEvil | FIC largely won't care I suspect. |
| 20:03.08 | cw666 | netx: the greenphone isn't neither very open not inexpensive, so yes, there is probably a desire from some to support qtopia on the neo |
| 20:03.16 | polz | thomasg: because the Openmoko developers are going to have to re-implement much of the stuff already done by Trolltech |
| 20:03.17 | cw666 | netx sorry, i meants notserpe |
| 20:03.31 | thomasg | polz: it's under GPL, they could use it |
| 20:03.39 | cw666 | polz: why worried? if it works better and people use that, why do you care? |
| 20:03.51 | polz | tholin: they can't use it if they want to keep the base libs under LGPL |
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| 20:03.56 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Image:Openexpo-flyer-draft.png]] [[Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0]] [[Wishlist:PersonalWiki]] [[Wish_List]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[User:Historybuff/notes]] [[Talk:Qtopia_on_Neo_1973]] [[Nand_erase]] |
| 20:03.57 | polz | which I beleive they do. |
| 20:03.59 | notserpe | if if if if if. |
| 20:04.21 | hozer | why does everyone throw a fit about re-implementing stuff? |
| 20:04.22 | notserpe | the poobahs and FIC created openmoko... trolltech could have done this long ago. |
| 20:04.28 | pavelm | so I flashed qtopia... |
| 20:04.29 | cw666 | i dont why where people are hostile to Qt/Qtopia |
| 20:04.36 | thomasg | polz: oh, I didn't know that openmoko should be a platform with special support for closed apps |
| 20:04.44 | hozer | multiple implementations are a GOOD thing!!!! |
| 20:05.09 | hozer | if everyone used the same gsm libs, then one virus could take out all the phones |
| 20:05.11 | thomasg | I'm also the opinion that choise is a good thing. what I don't like is, that there are 2 SDKs |
| 20:05.14 | cw666 | polz: they do you need LGPL libraries? |
| 20:05.28 | polz | hozer: because if the basic phone functionality doesn't work by the time GTA02 comes out, I'm afraid Openmoko (the company) might fold. And I really wouldn't like that to happen. |
| 20:05.54 | cw666 | polz: there are more phones in the works elsewhere, i wouldn't worry too much |
| 20:06.09 | thomasg | gta02 for mass market is expected in december, maybe later. I think that openmoko will basically be usable than. |
| 20:06.10 | hozer | polz: I second cw666.. |
| 20:06.17 | Writchie | thomasg: more like 1.5 SDK's |
| 20:06.23 | notserpe | cw666: not hostile, but the decision is made and this discussion is wasting time... perhaps all the qtopia types should go to #neo1973 or something? |
| 20:06.24 | thomasg | Writchie: yeah, right |
| 20:06.29 | hozer | if openmoko folds, they are throwing away their huge first-mover advantage |
| 20:06.42 | cw666 | notserpe: perhaps they should, but i dont think they are doing any harm here right now |
| 20:06.45 | thomasg | I noticed, that the qtopia-"port" for the neo is based widely on openmoko/openembedded |
| 20:06.51 | cw666 | notserpe: if you dont want/like Qt then dont install it |
| 20:06.54 | polz | cw666: I doubt anyone else is going to be as comitted to opening the specs as the Openmoko people are. |
| 20:07.05 | cw666 | polz: openmoko != neo\ |
| 20:07.23 | cw666 | i think the neo is a wonderful idea in many ways personally, i think openmoko/openembedded is insane bloat though |
| 20:07.24 | polz | cw666: I thought the company was also called Openmoko now |
| 20:07.32 | cw666 | im not sure i like Qt/Qtopia either, but some options wont kill anyone |
| 20:07.43 | cw666 | polz: oh, perhaps, i dont follow the mailing lists |
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| 20:08.01 | notserpe | cw666: options are great... but openmoko community needs focus and not distraction |
| 20:08.28 | cw666 | pavelm: qtopia uses directfb? |
| 20:08.47 | polz | notserpe: the openmoko community needs a less problematic build system and working basic functionality. |
| 20:09.05 | notserpe | polz: right |
| 20:09.06 | cw666 | pavelm: if it does, it's probably a net loss on the gta02 then with opengl es 1.2 blah blah |
| 20:09.21 | notserpe | polz: so how is working on qt stuff going to solve that? |
| 20:09.29 | cw666 | given that using x means you can leverage x render foo and other stuff in hardware |
| 20:09.35 | pavelm | Ok, so I updated to 20070917 bootloader, and now have problems turning it on :-( |
| 20:09.40 | polz | notserpe: how is using Qt over GTK going to complicate that ? |
| 20:09.52 | notserpe | cw666: are you lobbying for openmoko to switch to qt/opia? |
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| 20:10.10 | cw666 | notserpe: no, im simply saying i sure as hell dont want gnome shit on MY phone |
| 20:10.12 | polz | pavelm: can you at least connect to it as a serial device ? :/ |
| 20:10.18 | cw666 | notserpe: i dont care what others run, they are free to choose |
| 20:10.21 | notserpe | cw666: then you're sure in the wrong channel |
| 20:10.34 | cw666 | notserpe: there is no other channel, it's still relevant for gsmd for example |
| 20:10.41 | cw666 | notserpe: and power management, and kernel issues |
| 20:11.09 | notserpe | cw666: sorry, I came it late and I just see you talking ++qtopia |
| 20:11.16 | Babel | http://pokylinux.org/#about this one too ? |
| 20:11.26 | cw666 | notserpe: i couldn't care for qtopia either to be quite honest |
| 20:11.36 | notserpe | hah! |
| 20:11.40 | cw666 | notserpe: if it turns out to work well enough, i might use it, or i might not |
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| 20:11.49 | cw666 | notserpe: we'll see when it appears, right now it's just talk |
| 20:12.01 | pavelm | Hmm, at least qtopia managed to ask me for a pin... I was not able to enter it. |
| 20:12.11 | pavelm | So I disabled the pin It seems to have started up. |
| 20:12.20 | pavelm | ...and enabled bluetooth. _Bad_ idea. |
| 20:12.24 | cw666 | pavelm: you've install the qtopia release? |
| 20:12.49 | pavelm | Yes. |
| 20:12.59 | cw666 | pavelm: build it yourself or something they pushed out? |
| 20:12.59 | pavelm | It has absolutely no feedback on button press. Bad. |
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| 20:13.25 | pavelm | cw: Something they pushed out. Compiling qtopia would be hard/lengthy process. |
| 20:13.53 | notserpe | it's a PR grab |
| 20:13.59 | notserpe | that is obvious |
| 20:14.00 | C7 | morning :) |
| 20:14.06 | C7 | any german speaking people around who'd like to review the the flyer for tomorrows openexpo in zurich? |
| 20:14.16 | pavelm | notserpe: And what did you expect? This had to happen. |
| 20:14.17 | C7 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/a/a2/Openexpo-flyer-draft.png |
| 20:14.33 | notserpe | pavelm: not surprised. just annoyed. ;-) |
| 20:14.48 | notserpe | but let's call it what it is. |
| 20:15.09 | cw666 | notserpe: you'll be really annoed when m$ starts lashing out then |
| 20:15.14 | pavelm | notserpe: There should be nothing annoying on it. trolltech had to do it, for qtphone to stay relevant. |
| 20:15.26 | cw666 | sooner or later they will find open/linux phones a threat to their wince stuff |
| 20:15.36 | pavelm | notserpe: Good news is that now we can take a look at their code, and use bits we can use. |
| 20:15.40 | mmazur | cw666, we could hope :) |
| 20:15.53 | polz | how exactly does bitbake calculae the dependancies for packages and do they get cached anywhere ? |
| 20:15.55 | notserpe | pavelm: I don't care what TT is doing. I'm annoyed with the s/n regarding qt in my openmoko spaces. |
| 20:16.27 | pavelm | notserpe: Bad news is s/n and split development base. But it will end up positive in long run, I believe. |
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| 20:17.48 | cw666 | pavelm: does it use the same bootloader? |
| 20:17.53 | pavelm | ...it seems even worse than gtk. |
| 20:17.54 | notserpe | pavel: I agree. |
| 20:17.57 | polz | pavelm: slower than the default openmoko ? |
| 20:18.02 | pavelm | cw: Same bootloader, same kernel. |
| 20:18.04 | pavelm | polz: Yes. |
| 20:18.08 | polz | ugh.. that's.. bad :( |
| 20:18.13 | cw666 | pavelm: ah... what URL did you donwload and install from? |
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| 20:18.38 | pavelm | cw: its linked in the wiki. I just clicked there from the announcement and then closed the window :-( |
| 20:18.50 | cw666 | pavelm: but you didnt build it right? |
| 20:19.41 | Babel | pavelm: do you have an sdcard inserted ? |
| 20:19.47 | pavelm | cw: No. |
| 20:19.55 | pavelm | bebel: Yes. I have debian installation on it. |
| 20:20.24 | pavelm | ..and indeed mmcqd is eating 10% of my cpu. What is going on? |
| 20:20.32 | cw666 | btw, does anyone know for sure if nokia bl-5c batteries are safe to use? ie. won't overcharge or anything silly? |
| 20:20.33 | Babel | pavelm: maybe it is why, there is a daemon to index your sdcard first time so it take lot of cpu probably , but not sure |
| 20:20.42 | SpeedEvil | cw666: won't charge at all |
| 20:20.45 | cindy | I tried the qtopia earlier this morning and it just isn't for me. It was slow, power management doesn't work, and the contacts/tasks are a different format. It did read and send sms messages though. |
| 20:20.48 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: charges here |
| 20:21.06 | paulproteus | Woo-hoo, phone calls! |
| 20:21.12 | SpeedEvil | cw |
| 20:21.14 | SpeedEvil | odd. |
| 20:21.16 | pavelm | cw: are lithiums are pretty much the same. |
| 20:21.18 | SpeedEvil | Dunno. |
| 20:21.24 | pavelm | cw: BUt it did not charge for me. |
| 20:21.31 | SpeedEvil | I thought the thermistor would be wrong. |
| 20:21.32 | cw666 | ok, let me go get it now |
| 20:21.46 | SpeedEvil | It _probably_ won't explode in normal use. |
| 20:21.47 | polz | now... if I run make build-package-task-openmoko-polz, it works fine... |
| 20:21.59 | SpeedEvil | what does the battemp file say? |
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| 20:22.14 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: booting now, sec |
| 20:22.24 | cw666 | s/sec/some minutes/ |
| 20:22.36 | polz | but if I try to build make build-package-polz-openmoko-devel-image, which is the same as the default openmoko-devel-image, only it also depends on task-openmoko-polz... |
| 20:22.47 | pavelm | strange thing is that qtopia was faster on siemens sx1... with slower cpu. |
| 20:23.11 | ljp | that was probablt qtopia 2 |
| 20:23.13 | polz | I get this: ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-openmoko-polz: |
| 20:23.14 | polz | | libmp3lame0 (>= 3.96.1) libsdl-1.2-0 (>= 1.2.9) libsdl-1.2-0 (>= 1.2.9) libgl1 (>= 6.5.2) libsdl-1.2-0 (>= 1.2.9) libsdl-1.2-0 (>= 1.2.9) |
| 20:23.18 | cw666 | pavelm: ssh working? |
| 20:23.28 | morricone | C7, the only interesting information is propably just the confirmation of the date of the release of the end userver version. it says end of 2007 |
| 20:23.29 | pavelm | cw: Yep, ssh works ok. |
| 20:23.33 | polz | pavelm: maybe it's because of the higher resolution screen |
| 20:23.37 | cw666 | pavelm: does it use X? |
| 20:24.45 | pavelm | cw: No, I do not think it uses X. |
| 20:25.16 | ljp | the qtopia for neo does not use x |
| 20:25.21 | polz | now.. how does bitbake decide that task-openmoko-polz depends on some libs if it's required by polz-openmoko-devel-image, but it builds normally if I build it on it's own ? |
| 20:25.31 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: ok, something odd... powerup doesn't boot, it just hangs... i have to go to uboot then select boot |
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| 20:25.42 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: im not sure if that's because of the battery or what just yet |
| 20:26.01 | Babel | pavelm: did you try no remove sd card for first test ? |
| 20:26.14 | paulproteus | BTW, like, this is awesome. |
| 20:26.30 | pavelm | babel: I was somewhere told not to run neo w/o sd card. I guess I'll just wait till it finishes trashing. |
| 20:27.22 | SpeedEvil | you can run it without, as long as you put a spacer in place of the SD card |
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| 20:27.39 | Babel | ok ;) i try Qtopia standard on my BA, and it works fine my processor is pxa263 400 mhz |
| 20:27.39 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: ok, no, it doesnt claim to charge... but it think it was with uboot yesterday, when reflashing it claimed to enable fast-charge at the time |
| 20:27.40 | Babel | with 128Mo |
| 20:28.09 | pavelm | babel: What is "BA"? |
| 20:28.22 | pavelm | babel: Yes, qtopia used to be usable on collie (zaurus 5500) |
| 20:28.35 | Babel | pavelm: oups, sorry it is a HTC Bluenagel, i m recompiling qtopia preview for it now |
| 20:28.36 | DukeOfURL | BTW, there is no panel when booting without SIM card |
| 20:28.42 | SpeedEvil | charger mode being fast does not mean it will actually charge |
| 20:29.39 | Writchie | cul |
| 20:29.50 | Writchie | oops |
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| 20:30.20 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: perhaps, i wonder though, this battery is very old and the little green bar is higher now than before |
| 20:31.05 | cw666 | ill wait a bit and see, chgcur is low and chaotic |
| 20:31.07 | pavelm_shower | cw: battery indicators behave strangely on old batteries. |
| 20:32.00 | C7 | morricone: thats probably true (from your standpoint).. but this is intendet to wake interest not to give some new information to people who are already interested. People who will get this probably newer heard of om. |
| 20:32.31 | Babel | pavelm_shower: i like openmoko gui design, i try it on my Blueangel, works too, but still problem with WIFI and bluetooth and also icon are too big :( |
| 20:34.01 | pavelm_shower | babel: Om is really designed for fic these days. |
| 20:34.47 | Babel | pavelm_shower: yes i know, but there is an effort to have it running on qvga display, after resizing some icon, it look better ;) |
| 20:42.03 | cw666 | pavelm_shower: ok, got it installed ... it's NOT at all slower for me here |
| 20:43.03 | cw666 | so, withing 20 minutes i can download qtopia, install it and make calls ... it actually works |
| 20:43.31 | henla464 | I'm getting dfu_download error -71 when trying to flash qtopia, anyone have a clue why? |
| 20:43.48 | cw666 | henla464: usb is being pissy, unplug, wait a few seconds and plug it back in |
| 20:43.51 | ljp | that qtopia rootfs has prelink on it so you can run prelink to get things a tad faster starting |
| 20:44.09 | Knirch | do you guys discuss how good kde runs in #gnome aswell? :) |
| 20:45.13 | henla464 | cw666: ok, thanks, will try that |
| 20:45.22 | cw666 | Knirch: if it was relevant i think that would be fair |
| 20:45.35 | cw666 | can we stop being so anti-this and anti-that? |
| 20:45.44 | Knirch | I'm not anti |
| 20:45.45 | juri_ | i'm anti stopping. |
| 20:45.47 | cw666 | if something works better than the other, it shows there is room for improvement |
| 20:45.47 | juri_ | ;) |
| 20:46.01 | cw666 | both sides can strive towards the higher points of the other |
| 20:46.06 | DukeOfURL | how do I ipkg the web browser down to the Neo? Nothing I've tried works... |
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| 20:50.16 | pavelm | Ok, seems like mmc is quiet now. GOod |
| 20:50.34 | mickey|openexpo | C7: ping |
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| 20:50.56 | pavelm | ...but qtopia is still slow :-( |
| 20:51.28 | cw666 | pavelm: it's not slower than the OE/OM stuff right now |
| 20:52.08 | pavelm | cw: It is for me. Anyway, I see 'database is locked Unable to fetch row' errors in syslog. Something went wrong there. |
| 20:53.34 | cw666 | pavelm: i dont see why it would be different ... maybe something is chewing CPU in the background for you? |
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| 20:54.29 | cw666 | pavelm: i have the microSD card in ... is there a reason i shouldn't? |
| 20:55.04 | pavelm | I've seen mmcqd eating a bit too much of CPU, so I'm trying removing it... |
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| 20:56.38 | pavelm | hmm, now it works _way_ better. |
| 20:56.53 | pavelm | ...like "usable". GOod. |
| 20:57.20 | cw666 | yeah, this right now, i could actually *USE* as a phone |
| 20:57.23 | Babel | pavelm, cw666 : you have maybe not same sd card size, or not same free space ;) |
| 20:58.05 | pavelm | hmm, they have very funny keyboard. No backspace, but it can "zoom" on keys. |
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| 20:59.04 | ivho | pavel, just make a line from right to left accross the keyboard to "backspace" |
| 20:59.26 | pavelm | thanks, ivho. |
| 20:59.28 | Babel | pavelm: if you want, there is a config file under /opt/Qtopia/etc/.... don't rememeber called Storage.conf... change parameter here |
| 20:59.38 | ivho | anybody got a working alsa config? |
| 20:59.38 | aloril | ivho: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 21:00.19 | pavelm | Babel: thanks |
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| 21:01.32 | pavelm | Babel: what would you set there? Applications/documents/content database = 0? |
| 21:02.33 | Babel | pavelm: yes, this want and there is something related to your document directories you want to browse ... |
| 21:03.12 | Babel | maybe it should be better to have index running in background at lower priority |
| 21:04.08 | pavelm | Babel: indexing makes no sense at debian / filesystem. |
| 21:06.22 | Babel | pavelm_away: yes agree, but with a clean instal and day to day use you start with empty sd ;), look at windows mobile |
| 21:06.30 | Babel | always empty, lol |
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| 21:11.43 | skwashd | hi all |
| 21:12.08 | skwashd | how do i email someone at @openmoko.com? |
| 21:12.08 | aloril | skwashd: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 21:12.49 | skwashd | i have been trying to email contact@openmoko.com and everytime after a week it bounces |
| 21:13.14 | C7 | mickey|openexpo: hey :) |
| 21:13.24 | skwashd | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.24 | skwashd | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.24 | skwashd | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.24 | skwashd | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.34 | skwashd | whoops ... i thought that was only 3 lines |
| 21:13.48 | henla464 | where can I find a terminal in qtopia? |
| 21:14.01 | Babel | C7 : do you made and expo in france one day ? |
| 21:14.12 | paulproteus | heikkit, I ssh'd in fwiw |
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| 21:14.35 | C7 | Babel: would be easier for some french guy/gal i thing ;) |
| 21:14.48 | C7 | s/thing/think/ |
| 21:15.18 | Babel | henla464: no terminal, but you can devel one ;) or use ssh |
| 21:15.20 | C7 | but as i speak french too i would help out if i had time.. |
| 21:15.34 | henla464 | Babel: ok, ssh it is |
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| 21:15.44 | mickey|openexpo | hi C7. just a quick question before i run out of power (forgot that you swiss guys have different AC sockets *sigh* ;)... when should i appear tomorrow? |
| 21:16.10 | Babel | C7 ok i m just curious to discuss and really show fic in my hand, maybe i buy last generation in and of the year |
| 21:18.28 | C7 | mickey|openexpo: i will be there around 8:00 but 9:00 will do. as you want |
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| 21:19.18 | C7 | mickey|openexpo: do you want me to bring some cables for you? |
| 21:19.51 | mickey|openexpo | C7: oh ya, that would be good. |
| 21:19.54 | mickey|openexpo | forgot my travel adapter :/ |
| 21:20.05 | mickey|openexpo | btw., is there somewhere to buy breakfast @ the venue? or should i get it beforehand? |
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| 21:20.48 | C7 | mickey|openexpo: i hope so .. but if not .. you can get some brakfast nearby |
| 21:20.50 | XorA | mickey|openexpo: NOTE: package poppler-0.6-r0: task do_configure: started |
| 21:21.00 | mickey|openexpo | C7: ok, cool |
| 21:21.12 | mickey|openexpo | XorA: *crossing fingers* |
| 21:21.29 | XorA | mickey|openexpo: is it epdf that needs the new stuff? |
| 21:21.35 | mickey|openexpo | XorA: can you try to build epdf afterwards? it uses poppler's new stuff |
| 21:21.36 | mickey|openexpo | heh |
| 21:21.50 | C7 | mickey|openexpo: what do want for cables? will standard "gerätekabel" do the trick? |
| 21:21.56 | XorA | mickey|openexpo: Ill test epdf and epdfview which are the two essential ones |
| 21:22.43 | C7 | mickey|openexpo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/a/a2/Openexpo-flyer-draft.png |
| 21:23.20 | mickey|openexpo | C7: i have a thinkpad x60s which has this AC adapter that needs a small 3 pole plug (not an EU Kaltgerätestecker, smaller) |
| 21:24.04 | mickey|openexpo | C7: if all fails, i just buy something. you probably have something like that in supermarkets? :) |
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| 21:24.56 | evanpro | so, I feel kind of stupid asking |
| 21:25.16 | evanpro | But I ordered a Neo1973 when orders started being accepted in July |
| 21:25.26 | evanpro | And I haven't received it yet |
| 21:25.45 | evanpro | None of my emails to orders@openmoko.com have been replied to |
| 21:26.33 | C7 | mickey|openexpo: hope so.. but usually you will get them the other way round.. |
| 21:26.34 | daMaestro | evanpro, have you been charged? |
| 21:26.42 | evanpro | hmmm |
| 21:26.45 | evanpro | I'm pretty sure I have |
| 21:26.47 | cw666 | evanpro: do you even know if they get the emails? i tried emailing them myself and it bounced |
| 21:26.50 | mickey|openexpo | C7: nice! two things: 1) in the last sentence, there is a missing space and a bogus - in voran-zubringen. 2nd) it might be good to state something like "Die Plattform integriert dabei Komponenten wie X11, Gtk+, <...>" to prevent people from guessing what's included? |
| 21:26.55 | daMaestro | evanpro, that would be very important to check |
| 21:26.59 | evanpro | yep |
| 21:27.10 | evanpro | So, there are plenty of people who _have_ received their phones, right? |
| 21:27.26 | C7 | mickey|openexpo: 1) already fixed.. 2) hmm |
| 21:27.33 | daMaestro | evanpro, yes |
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| 21:27.46 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: ok, so the BL-5C battery is now quite warm to the touch, but the voltage (as reported by the neo) isnt increasing greatly |
| 21:27.47 | daMaestro | evanpro, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_owners |
| 21:27.57 | mickey|openexpo | C7: then again, it might be not relevant anyways. since the actual platform ingredients may change ;) |
| 21:28.12 | C7 | mickey|openexpo: true |
| 21:28.13 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners sorry |
| 21:28.27 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: if it is working, it's not working very well i guess |
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| 21:29.31 | C7 | mickey|openexpo: ok. ill print it like this then.. and for your plug prblem.. i found some uneversal notebook power adaptor thingy .. we can just hope it fits |
| 21:29.36 | SpeedEvil | cw666: what's the voltage? |
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| 21:29.43 | SpeedEvil | It should stick at 4.2 |
| 21:29.52 | mickey|openexpo | C7: excellent. thanks. good work on the paper! |
| 21:30.01 | mickey|openexpo | ok, power almost out |
| 21:30.07 | mickey|openexpo | going to sleep anyways |
| 21:30.10 | mickey|openexpo | c'ya tomorrow! |
| 21:30.16 | C7 | mickey|openexpo: thanks .. c'ya |
| 21:31.42 | evanpro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ |
| 21:31.52 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: 3679 |
| 21:31.59 | evanpro | OK, it looks like I got a request for confirmation in August and I never responded |
| 21:32.04 | evanpro | So that might be what the problem is |
| 21:32.08 | SpeedEvil | 3.6 is about 10% charged |
| 21:32.24 | SpeedEvil | evanpro :( |
| 21:32.30 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: battery could also be bad, it's something very old i had floating about |
| 21:32.50 | SpeedEvil | It may simply be not charging it at all. |
| 21:32.51 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: i have some more somewhere else, i think i was planning on overcharging them for shits so i might have split them open |
| 21:33.06 | SpeedEvil | Is it going up or down? |
| 21:33.07 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: well, it's warm... presumably something is going on |
| 21:33.13 | polz | is anyone else here building mplayer for their images ? |
| 21:33.15 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: slowly down |
| 21:33.36 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: actually, it just went up ... there is enough noise id have to look at this for longer to be sure |
| 21:33.37 | SpeedEvil | probably simply discharging. It will get warm when it does that. |
| 21:33.42 | SpeedEvil | Yeah |
| 21:33.50 | SpeedEvil | the battery will often get warm. |
| 21:33.53 | XorA | polz: not for images, but Im the mplayer maintainer around here |
| 21:34.01 | SpeedEvil | Hot enough that it's uncumfortable to touch is bad. |
| 21:34.06 | paulproteus | XorA, Have you tried the Qtopia stuff? |
| 21:34.17 | XorA | paulproteus: no |
| 21:35.18 | polz | XorA: so... if I'm getting some missing libsdl dependancies, that's a problem with my particular build, right ? |
| 21:35.18 | paulproteus | XorA, Do you have any plans/interest in doing so, out of curiosity? |
| 21:35.27 | cw666 | paulproteus: i just installed it here |
| 21:35.42 | paulproteus | cw666, It's nice, but I can't figure out how to enter "." on the on-screen keyboard. |
| 21:35.58 | XorA | polz: yes, it works here |
| 21:36.25 | XorA | polz: though I havent tried it inside openmoko distro for a while, maybe a distro config problem |
| 21:36.33 | XorA | polz: can you pastebin the error |
| 21:37.05 | XorA | paulproteus: Ill probably flash it on BV3 at some point just to see it, this is a very random question :-D |
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| 21:38.11 | cw666 | paulproteus: dont see how to either |
| 21:38.36 | polz | XorA: I'll try rebuilding the package first |
| 21:38.40 | XorA | cw666: you found stroke up to go into symbols mode? |
| 21:38.57 | paulproteus | Stroke up, eh? |
| 21:39.04 | cw666 | XorA: i never tried :-) |
| 21:39.11 | cw666 | XorA: i just installed it and verified it made calls |
| 21:39.14 | XorA | stroke up is shift, right is space, left is delete |
| 21:39.48 | cw666 | XorA: yeah, i see that... not bad, but not really usable w/o a stylus |
| 21:39.58 | paulproteus | Or a sharp fingernail. |
| 21:40.06 | paulproteus | I'm half joking. (-: |
| 21:40.33 | XorA | paulproteus: get plastic surgery remove skin from thumb and sharpen bone to points |
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| 21:40.43 | cw666 | XorA: given it's only a few minutes to download and install ... and so far it works *very* well it's really not bad at all |
| 21:40.49 | dkr | ♪ I stroke it to the east and I stroke it to the west ... ♪ |
| 21:41.14 | XorA | cw666: well I hope the Qtopia Phone and Openmoko can exist in harmonious competition |
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| 21:41.57 | cw666 | XorA: if nothing else it does show the hw is cabale of working usefully and the UI doesnt have to be slow and lethargic |
| 21:42.04 | cw666 | so in that respect it's really quite wonderful |
| 21:42.20 | XorA | cw666: yes, its a bar to aim at |
| 21:42.38 | XorA | cw666: Trolltech always did nice work with Qtopia, its just I live in an X world |
| 21:42.50 | polz | XorA: naah, there's going to be a WAR with blood-thirsty trolls ripping off heads and using human teeth as ornaments :P |
| 21:43.04 | paulproteus | I would like X too. (-: |
| 21:43.05 | Knirch | but I want ornaments! |
| 21:43.27 | cw666 | XorA: i dont see any fundamental reason they couldn't use kdrive and support other apps actually |
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| 21:43.54 | cw666 | XorA: it would require porting some low-level qtopia stuff to kdrive/x --- but with accel X in the new hardware they might be planning this anyhow |
| 21:46.13 | XorA | polz: its more likely to be a war where we sit around a table and drink teo, ljp didnt seem to be that threatening at FOSDEM :-) |
| 21:46.41 | XorA | cw666: older Qtopia could run on X, I doubt they took that out |
| 21:47.06 | ljp | i am not threatening at all |
| 21:47.34 | ljp | most the time |
| 21:47.38 | thomasg | XorA: the current "preview" of qtopia for the neo looks like a evil hack :) |
| 21:47.59 | XorA | thomasg: give them a chance, they spun it up pretty quick :-) |
| 21:48.06 | polz | XorA: tea.. with Po ? |
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| 21:48.22 | thomasg | XorA: erm, I think qtopia phone edition is on this state at least for 5 month, isn't it? |
| 21:48.37 | thomasg | (for their own prototype, the greenphone) |
| 21:48.56 | dkr | $700 for greenphone, makes neo1973 price look better. :) |
| 21:48.57 | cw666 | thomasg: i dunno, it isn't at all bad... sure, some things clearly need work, but it's pretty usable for a first release |
| 21:49.20 | ljp | TT is still working on Qtopia for touchscreen only devices like the neo |
| 21:49.32 | XorA | thomasg: I only saw OE greenphone for 10 mins or so |
| 21:49.36 | thomasg | cw666: well, I never doubted it would run on the neo with some little changes (gsm communication and so on) |
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| 21:50.04 | dtx | How's openmoko coming along? |
| 21:50.10 | thomasg | but at moment it's not "qtopia", it's the qtopia gui on openmoko, nothing more. |
| 21:50.35 | dtx | I checked the wiki and it says its not gonna be ready til December now |
| 21:50.41 | dtx | when did that happen? |
| 21:51.11 | SpeedEvil | Basically due to timelines that seem impossible to meet for an october release. |
| 21:51.12 | dkr | gradually? :) |
| 21:51.18 | SpeedEvil | There have been no official annoucements. |
| 21:51.21 | cw666 | thomasg: tbqh, for lack of anything else, if the qtopia stuff makes progress i would consider using it until something better comes along |
| 21:51.49 | ljp | cw666: what sort of progress are you looking for? |
| 21:51.58 | dtx | Are the current GTA01s usable as a plain-old-phone yet? |
| 21:52.06 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 21:52.11 | dtx | damn |
| 21:52.26 | dtx | No es bueno |
| 21:52.28 | cw666 | ljp: right now, i can use a preview of qtopia on the neo as a phone |
| 21:52.39 | cw666 | ljp: i can't with *any* version of OE/OM w/o poking about |
| 21:52.52 | thomasg | cw666: you are right |
| 21:53.33 | dtx | so basic dialing and speaking are not implemented yet? |
| 21:53.40 | thomasg | but this is a development release. as you see, you can't use qtopia, not even it's sdk for development on the neo. |
| 21:53.43 | cw666 | dtx: it's not entirely reliable for a lot of people |
| 21:54.02 | cw666 | thomasg: i can download their sdk right now and screw with it |
| 21:54.20 | dtx | hmmmm |
| 21:54.23 | juri_ | ah, the noise after a software release. :) |
| 21:54.36 | thomasg | cw666: you can. but as you are seeing, even the trolltech guys are using openmoko, not qtopia :) |
| 21:54.57 | thomasg | the use the qtopia gui on the framebuffer that's coming with the standard-openmoko/openembedded install |
| 21:55.00 | thomasg | *they |
| 21:55.03 | juri_ | thank you trolltech. now save us from your cult^Wusers. :) |
| 21:55.04 | cw666 | thomasg: so what? |
| 21:55.24 | dtx | Man I can't wait for this phone |
| 21:55.45 | dtx | somebody invent the time machine so I don't have to wait for people to finish inventing the needed components :-P |
| 21:56.11 | cw666 | dtx: right now it's still usable w/ some effort as a toy |
| 21:56.29 | cw666 | dtx: i've used it to plot me walking about the city which is sorta cute (IMO) |
| 21:56.55 | ljp | qtopia is very usable right now |
| 21:57.38 | cw666 | juri_: i think people are happy to see hardware doing things they haven't before; this is a good thing |
| 21:59.02 | Elrond | A friend is looking for a small linux box like the nslu2 (No fan, usb, 100MBit ethernet, nothing more). Does anyone know comparable alternatives? |
| 21:59.44 | cw666 | Elrond: fanless? what arch? |
| 22:00.08 | Elrond | cw666 - I guess, he doesn't care on the arch. |
| 22:00.17 | orzo | if i let the neo sit for a long time, will it eventually be unable to charge? |
| 22:00.24 | cw666 | Elrond: get a geode nx1750 mobo + cpu for $80 or so, add some cheap DDR ram and a disk |
| 22:00.27 | cw666 | use a large heatsink |
| 22:00.46 | cw666 | orzo: yes and no, i can drain itself to the point it's hard to charge again |
| 22:01.11 | cw666 | Elrond: george nx1750 is a low-power k7 core, 1.4GHz iirc |
| 22:01.32 | Elrond | cw666 - Weee, that's fast. |
| 22:01.42 | cw666 | Elrond: you can buy an entire machine, case, speakers, etc. for $150 |
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| 22:01.49 | thomasg | well, but it's eating much power |
| 22:02.05 | cw666 | Elrond: though that means a loud fan, silencing that will cost you a little more |
| 22:02.18 | cw666 | thomasg: much power? |
| 22:02.28 | thomasg | cw666: compared to a nlsu and via machines, yes |
| 22:02.42 | anrp | slug! |
| 22:02.43 | cw666 | thomasg: is uses less than a VIA machine |
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| 22:02.50 | cw666 | thomasg: VIA cpus are NOT that great, i have a couple here |
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| 22:03.27 | cw666 | thomasg: the cpu can drop to about 6W or so in high P-states, to with powersaved the entire system would probably be under 10W with disk(s) spun down |
| 22:03.38 | cw666 | s/high/higher/ |
| 22:03.49 | thomasg | cw666: iirc the chipsets aren't ever unter 10W |
| 22:03.59 | thomasg | *under |
| 22:04.15 | thomasg | the chipset w/o cpu, ram and hd's |
| 22:04.17 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:General-purpose_buttons_%28side-mounted%29]] [[Wishlist:Camera]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Stylus_mount]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Square_case]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Removal_of_free_space]] and other changes |
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| 22:04.26 | anrp | pico-itx board claims some super low numbers |
| 22:04.41 | cw666 | thomasg: the chipset most commonly uses if from SiS, it's got no heatsink and is cool to the touch |
| 22:04.44 | cw666 | there is no way it's using 10W |
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| 22:05.45 | Elrond | So the alternative to an nslu2 is "create your own from parts"? |
| 22:05.55 | thomasg | I wonder why there aren't more extensible arm-based machines on the market :( |
| 22:06.18 | cw666 | thomasg: it's hard to beat x86/PC-centric volumes |
| 22:06.20 | anrp | because it's not x86 |
| 22:06.24 | anrp | -> little mass market |
| 22:06.28 | cw666 | which is sad, because most of the cheap x86 stuff really is crap |
| 22:06.30 | thomasg | yeah, what a pitty :( |
| 22:06.45 | cw666 | thomasg: i have some 400MHz MIPS stuff here than is about 6W |
| 22:07.10 | anrp | arm is mostly pretty poor for fp stuff |
| 22:07.25 | cw666 | yeah, but many people dont need a lot of fp |
| 22:07.31 | XorA | anrp: its a whole lot better with arm11 |
| 22:07.36 | cw666 | -msoft-float is fine for a lot of things |
| 22:07.37 | Elrond | Nobody needs fp in something like a slug. |
| 22:07.51 | XorA | nobody needs more than 640k |
| 22:07.56 | anrp | but what about a neo D: |
| 22:08.21 | Elrond | XorA - ;o) |
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| 22:08.48 | cw666 | most people dont do much fp |
| 22:08.57 | cw666 | not even your quad-core workstation users, not really |
| 22:09.02 | Elrond | Except for cairo. ;o) |
| 22:09.05 | cw666 | sure, some do, and some use a LOT, but many dont |
| 22:09.08 | SpeedEvil | games |
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| 22:10.03 | pavelm | Actually... that qtopia stuff is quite good.. except that I can't write. |
| 22:10.19 | pavelm | ...it uses some kind of evil dictionary that prevents me from typing pretty much anything. |
| 22:10.35 | pavelm | how do you type space? I did it once... by mistake :-( |
| 22:10.42 | pavelm | is there way to type symbols? |
| 22:10.58 | Elrond | pavelm - Hi! |
| 22:11.50 | paulproteus | pavelm, join #qtopia if you like |
| 22:12.09 | pavelm | Hi, Elrond! |
| 22:12.14 | pavelm | Actually, I probably should do that. |
| 22:12.18 | XorA | pavelm: right stroke is space |
| 22:12.32 | XorA | pavelm: left stroke is delete, up stroke is shift |
| 22:12.38 | cw666 | pavelm: stop upsetting the OMFGITSNOTOPENMOKO people |
| 22:13.04 | pavelm | xora: tell me combination for symbols and I'm happy :). |
| 22:13.16 | XorA | pavelm: up stroke I beleice |
| 22:13.23 | XorA | pavelm: I dont have qtopia installed |
| 22:13.24 | SpeedEvil | I'd suggest #neo1973 |
| 22:13.44 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: unless the S/N gets a lot worse i dont see why this should be split over 2-3 channels |
| 22:13.55 | cw666 | there is a lot of common ground still |
| 22:14.04 | SpeedEvil | If it's getting bad. |
| 22:14.08 | cw666 | kernel, pm, alsa, etc |
| 22:14.09 | SpeedEvil | I don't think it's that bad yet |
| 22:15.08 | anrp | one channel per function |
| 22:15.27 | thomasg | thats the unix-way :) |
| 22:16.47 | cw666 | right now it feels more like a few OE/OM fanboys have had their manlyhood threatened by qtopia and are crying about it |
| 22:19.29 | roh | cw666 the only one crying around here atm is you |
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| 22:25.37 | Fradeve | hi all |
| 22:25.53 | Fradeve | a quick and simply information |
| 22:26.07 | zdanek | guys, my neo hangs in half of progress while booting, I should do flashing but I want to copy my config files - is there a way to mount Neo's file system to PC? Propably while in uboot. |
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| 22:26.50 | Fradeve | is possible to run applications as MaemoApps on OpenMoko? Or, will be possible in the future development? |
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| 22:28.56 | pavelm | thanks, everyone! |
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| 22:36.00 | dkr | Fradeve: those are java apps? so yeah |
| 22:38.06 | zdanek | Kero: about that PIN |
| 22:38.29 | zdanek | you should first execute AT+CPIN? |
| 22:38.37 | zdanek | and then AT+CPIN="mypin" |
| 22:38.38 | Kero | zdanek: oh, I did... |
| 22:38.48 | Kero | but why the quotes? |
| 22:39.09 | dkr | oh, maemo apps are not java. there is a cross-compiler: scratchbox |
| 22:39.21 | zdanek | because of AT protocol? I don't know but I always do otherwise doesn't work |
| 22:39.22 | Kero | besides, it needs AT+CPIN=puk,newpin is that "puk","newpin" or "puk,newpin" ? |
| 22:39.40 | zdanek | I don't know |
| 22:39.52 | zdanek | I say what to do when your card is not blocked |
| 22:40.01 | zdanek | refer to AT commands PDF in the net |
| 22:40.05 | zdanek | there's plenty of it |
| 22:40.10 | Kero | only thing I get is cme3, operation not allowed (whatever that means) |
| 22:40.16 | Babel | Kero: on TI modem we have AT+CFUN=1 then AT+CPIN="xxxx" |
| 22:40.25 | zdanek | yep |
| 22:40.39 | zdanek | put it in ordinary phone to unblock it with PUK |
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| 22:40.48 | zdanek | then use with neo, as Babel wrote |
| 22:40.56 | Kero | zdanek: there's the catch, that phone just said "blocked" |
| 22:41.15 | Kero | (ooooooold motorola timeport) |
| 22:41.47 | Fradeve | dkr: you say yeah because all java apps run on OpenMoko? |
| 22:41.54 | Kero | but hey, I'm confident I can work around SIM issues now. |
| 22:42.08 | zdanek | Kero: don't you have any other phone to unlock sim? |
| 22:42.25 | Kero | zdanek: I bought a Neo to replace that moto |
| 22:42.29 | Kero | eventually |
| 22:42.29 | dkr | Fradeve: yes, bu i ersearched it an i see maemo uses X/d-bus/gtk+ all very similar to openmoko, so looks like running those apps on opnemoko should be easy |
| 22:43.24 | Fradeve | dkr: the main question is: I'm cooperating with the project Open Street Map (openstreetmap.org) |
| 22:43.42 | Fradeve | dkr: and we use some java applications to map roads |
| 22:44.01 | SpeedEvil | there is at the moment no java app |
| 22:44.11 | SpeedEvil | to run java stuff. |
| 22:44.17 | Fradeve | dkr: for this kind of use, a killer-application is MaemoMapper, wich uses also gpsd |
| 22:44.27 | Kero | zdanek: main point is, I'm confdent now I can mess with my SIM. |
| 22:44.30 | Kero | and fix it |
| 22:44.36 | Fradeve | dkr: gpsd is also included in OpenMoko, IMHO |
| 22:44.42 | Babel | SpeedEvil: is it possible to have phoneme ? i never manage to compile it :( |
| 22:44.58 | SpeedEvil | I have not got a working environment setup |
| 22:45.02 | Kero | so, next issue, is gsmd or libgsmd or something already emitting dbus signals ? |
| 22:45.19 | Fradeve | dkr: so I want to know if I will use OpenMoko (also in future points of development) to contribute on OSM |
| 22:45.34 | SpeedEvil | At the moment I'm using my Neo to map. |
| 22:45.38 | SpeedEvil | But only as a GPS |
| 22:45.44 | SpeedEvil | logging GPS |
| 22:46.22 | Fradeve | SpeedEvil: could be more clear? You take logs of your gps routes? |
| 22:46.58 | SpeedEvil | take GPS NMEA data from the route. |
| 22:47.05 | SpeedEvil | gpsbabel -> JOSM |
| 22:47.11 | Fradeve | uauu |
| 22:47.21 | zdanek | Kero: search for AT commands spec. and use PUK |
| 22:47.41 | Fradeve | so, the principle is that OpenMoko and Neo1937 is compatible with the OSM project, yaeh? |
| 22:47.47 | SpeedEvil | Well - no. |
| 22:47.54 | zdanek | okay, goodnight everyone |
| 22:47.58 | SpeedEvil | You can use it for whatever you want |
| 22:48.13 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openstreetmap |
| 22:48.23 | Kero | zdanek: got that, already managed to unblock w/ Neo. moto is happily connected again. |
| 22:48.25 | SpeedEvil | there are hopes that nice relevant software will get written or ported |
| 22:48.42 | SpeedEvil | but it's not likely any time soon that the actual OM team will make them. |
| 22:48.56 | SpeedEvil | Because they are working on more basic and important stuff. |
| 22:48.57 | Kero | zdanek: slightly surprised there's +CPIN to enter PUK, but no +CPUK |
| 22:49.12 | Fradeve | SpeedEvil: ahhh ok, comprensible |
| 22:49.16 | zdanek | yep, AT comands are weird |
| 22:49.17 | SpeedEvil | fradeve like being able to make calls work reliablt |
| 22:49.19 | zdanek | gdnite |
| 22:50.13 | Fradeve | SpeedEvil: you were talking about GPS NMEA data --> gpsbabel --> JOSM |
| 22:50.27 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 22:50.28 | Fradeve | SpeedEvil: could be more clear about this? |
| 22:50.52 | Kero | or perhaps I should rephrase my Q, is there already a GUI(?) app that can answer incoming calls? |
| 22:51.30 | SpeedEvil | Fradeve: the GPS binary thingy on the neo acts like a serial GPS. You then capture this to a file. This is then a log in NMEA format like you'd get from any serial GPS. You then run through the tool 'gpsbabel' which outputs gpx files. You can themn load it into JOSM |
| 22:51.42 | SpeedEvil | Fradeve or upload the track to the server, or both |
| 22:52.05 | SpeedEvil | Fradeve: running JOSM on the desktop. |
| 22:52.59 | Fradeve | yeah, I know both JOSM and gpsbabel, but not the GPS NMEA --- so, actually, is possible to use OM to contribute with OSM |
| 22:53.35 | SpeedEvil | NMEA is the same format all other GPSs output (prettymuch) |
| 22:53.38 | Fradeve | the thing wich we need is a killer-app for many particular notes or to organize the work on the map, no? |
| 22:54.05 | SpeedEvil | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openstreetmap |
| 22:54.08 | SpeedEvil | and the linked pages |
| 22:54.22 | SpeedEvil | bluetooth voice note logging is especially interesting |
| 22:55.02 | Fradeve | yes... I'm reading ;) Thank for your precious explanations :D |
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| 23:10.02 | polz | has anyone tried running dosbox on the neo yet ? |
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| 23:11.05 | frma71 | Anyone got the audio working correctly in the new qtopia image ? |
| 23:14.08 | ljp | whats wrong with it? |
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| 23:23.18 | Ghiottone | hello |
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| 23:41.21 | BlackBsd | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973 |
| 23:41.28 | BlackBsd | these screenshots are killer... |
| 23:43.04 | Babel | good night |
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| 23:50.56 | BlackBsd | so are apps being built now with qt for the openmoko? |
| 23:51.20 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 23:51.22 | BlackBsd | they are probally still using gnome as the main toolkit.. |
| 23:51.33 | SpeedEvil | QT has been ported to the Neo. |
| 23:51.42 | SpeedEvil | OM is still OM, and QT is still QT |
| 23:52.03 | BlackBsd | right but qt will run on om? |
| 23:52.11 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 23:52.16 | SpeedEvil | QT runs on the Neo1973 |
| 23:52.27 | SpeedEvil | Which is the physical phone |
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| 23:56.37 | obnauticus | Does OpenMoko work with CDMA and GSM? |
| 23:56.37 | aloril | obnauticus: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 23:56.50 | roh | obnauticus no cdma |
| 23:56.54 | obnauticus | DAMN! |
| 23:56.59 | obnauticus | Will it in the future? |
| 23:57.10 | SpeedEvil | maybe |
| 23:57.15 | SpeedEvil | not this year or most of next |
| 23:57.17 | SpeedEvil | at least |
| 23:57.19 | SpeedEvil | probably |
| 23:57.37 | obnauticus | is it being considored? |
| 23:57.40 | SpeedEvil | CDMA is only really viable once the main version has sold lots |
| 23:57.52 | obnauticus | Ya, good point. |
| 23:57.57 | SpeedEvil | it's expensive, and there are technical and contractual limitations. |
| 23:58.04 | obnauticus | CDMA is? |
| 23:58.11 | obnauticus | i can see how that would work. |
| 23:58.21 | SpeedEvil | yes - you can only make a CDMA phone with the permission of hte network basically |
| 23:58.22 | Writchie | GSM is last I looked more than 80% of the market share |
| 23:58.34 | Writchie | and CDMA carriers don't want open phones anyway |
| 23:58.38 | obnauticus | I know. |
| 23:58.39 | SpeedEvil | with GSM, you can put your SIM in any phone. |
| 23:58.39 | obnauticus | I hate it. |
| 23:58.42 | Writchie | see Verizon vs. FCC |
| 23:58.49 | obnauticus | I have sprint. |
| 23:58.51 | SpeedEvil | Most GSM carriers don't want open phones. |
| 23:58.53 | obnauticus | and I hate it. |
| 23:59.02 | SpeedEvil | They're just stuck with it. |
| 23:59.02 | obnauticus | Why don't cell providers want open phones? |
| 23:59.07 | SpeedEvil | Profit! |
| 23:59.14 | SpeedEvil | Lock the user to your network only |
| 23:59.17 | obnauticus | that's so stupid... |
| 23:59.21 | SpeedEvil | sell them services expensively |
| 23:59.21 | obnauticus | Well i understand that part of it |
| 23:59.25 | obnauticus | it just makes it like... |
| 23:59.31 | Writchie | if y ou can't compete on quality of service you compete with brainwashing and monopolistic practises |
| 23:59.48 | obnauticus | well |
| 23:59.59 | Writchie | can you hear me now? who would even ask the question in the real GSM world |
