| 00:01.08 | abraxa_ | cesarb: AOSS as in Alsa's OSS interface |
| 00:01.09 | abraxa_ | ? |
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| 00:02.23 | cesarb | abraxa_: aoss as in the aoss command |
| 00:02.35 | abraxa_ | Ah |
| 00:02.56 | cesarb | abraxa_: "man aoss" on most distros should give you more detail |
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| 00:03.59 | vallor | er... would that be "aplay"? |
| 00:04.00 | vallor | brb |
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| 00:06.49 | cesarb | vallor: no, aplay is more like sox |
| 00:07.23 | cesarb | vallor: while artsdsp is arts's equivalent of aoss |
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| 00:13.10 | vallor | oh, hmm -- seems like there should be a standard agreed upon, so everybody's sound thingies don't collide later |
| 00:13.27 | vallor | (assuming the driver doesn't just mix the audio)_ |
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| 00:19.13 | cesarb | vallor: with alsa you have dmix (on recent alsa versions it's automatic), so there's no collision. It's only old OSS applications which don't play along (try running mplayer with the -ao set to alsa to check) |
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| 00:27.04 | Psi | yeah, pulseaudio is in init.d |
| 00:27.36 | Psi | i had to stop it to get madplay/mplayer to work with sound |
| 00:27.43 | Psi | on the newer build |
| 00:28.17 | mjr | heh |
| 00:29.12 | Psi | also found alsamixer is on the new, didnt know about it |
| 00:29.16 | Psi | new=neo |
| 00:35.20 | vallor | and alsactl -- with various .state files in /etc |
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| 01:49.56 | bedboi | hi there. |
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| 02:11.34 | hozer | okay, what the heck is this all about? |
| 02:11.36 | hozer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.36 | hozer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.36 | hozer | KeyError: 'do_rm_work' |
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| 02:13.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03nbd * r2947 10/developers/nbd/ (7 files in 3 dirs): clean up patches, update sdio merge, some small ar6k bits |
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| 02:48.32 | rwhitby | hozer: you're missing the INHERIT += rm_work |
| 02:58.25 | Writchie | build is borked - again - package libelf_0.8.6.bb |
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| 03:02.24 | Writchie | no libelf-locale |
| 03:02.50 | Writchie | what does the word commit mean in openmoko speak? |
| 03:05.21 | abraxa_ | Writchie: I'd assume this is in OE's court, not OpenMoko's |
| 03:05.42 | Writchie | you're probably right |
| 03:06.01 | abraxa_ | Aside from that, I fully agree |
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| 03:58.54 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_North_Texas]] |
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| 04:33.04 | CM | rwhitby: I agree with your mail to the ML, set rm_work as default in the makefile |
| 04:33.18 | CM | The ones who doesn't want it know where to remove it. ;) |
| 04:34.48 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r158 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Enabled rm_work by default. |
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| 04:41.26 | CM | :-) |
| 04:42.56 | rwhitby | CM: that's enough of a consensus for me ;-) |
| 04:43.41 | CM | Hehe |
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| 04:44.03 | CM | I think it's a logical thing to do, especially when so many "new" ppl are using the makefile |
| 04:44.11 | roh | japp |
| 04:44.44 | roh | *sigh* .. /me was playing with pulseaudio, jack and darkice tonight... unsuccessful |
| 04:44.55 | roh | everything that touches jack seems to go b0rk |
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| 04:45.42 | roh | good that we use pulse on the moko |
| 04:48.13 | Writchie|zzzZZZz | rwhitby: with rm_work the default does that mean no patched sources or am I missing something? |
| 04:49.30 | CM | Writchie|zzzZZZz: It just means that the temporary build files are removed after the build has finished |
| 04:49.34 | CM | Saving space |
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| 04:52.13 | roh | hm.. somehow i think we should get rid of patches in patches/ |
| 04:52.40 | roh | is patches/openmoko-HEAD/libmokogsmd.patch tested? and/or is there a bug for it? |
| 04:53.09 | rwhitby | yes and yes |
| 04:54.43 | roh | hm.. lets see if i could commit that |
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| 04:59.09 | Writchie | CM: doesn't removing everything in build/tmp/work/* remove all of the patched sources leaving only the binaries?? |
| 04:59.44 | roh | rwhitby hm.. when i see that right i could commit it.. do you have a comment/bugnumber for that? |
| 04:59.59 | rwhitby | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=758 |
| 05:00.11 | rwhitby | Writchie: yes |
| 05:01.31 | rwhitby | roh: comment is "Provide null default behaviours for CB and DS events to prevent unhandled event type critical errors being reported (we have enough real critical errors already)." |
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| 05:02.04 | blindcoder | moin |
| 05:02.46 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03roh * r2948 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokogsmd2/libmokogsmd/moko-gsmd-connection.c: commit patch from rwhitby - workaround for bug #758 - still needs proper implementation |
| 05:03.33 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r159 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/libmokogsmd.patch: Removed libmokogsmd.patch (applied upstream) |
| 05:04.52 | roh | rwhitby sorry.. i was too fast... i added a comment in the buglog |
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| 05:05.11 | rwhitby | np |
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| 05:52.21 | bedboi | did anyone use deps (graph-includes)? |
| 05:52.55 | roh | bedboi ? |
| 05:53.05 | roh | you mean bitbake -g? |
| 05:53.06 | bedboi | to show dependencies in a code |
| 05:55.00 | roh | nope.. i know lxr, ctags and similar stuff for cross-referencing code |
| 05:55.45 | bedboi | i just need something to show dependency as a graph |
| 05:55.49 | roh | but for graphing stuff i only know what ida pro gives you ;) and things on a buildsys-level like bitbake -g (spits out files to use with graphviz) |
| 05:56.45 | roh | the only sad thing is, that the .dot files which bb generates on openmoko-devel-image are so fat and complex that ive never succeeded in generating a graph from it. i read it with vim |
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| 05:57.44 | bedboi | roh: i need it just for a single project (approx. 30 .c files and 20 includes) |
| 05:58.01 | roh | hm.. you know ctags? |
| 05:58.36 | bedboi | yep |
| 06:02.46 | bedboi | btw what does bitbake use for plotting dep graphs? |
| 06:02.59 | roh | propably generating a dot file from a perl script is the fastest way |
| 06:03.36 | roh | bedboi it does not plot. it just spits out all dependencys and task-dependencys as dot file which the can be read by graphviz |
| 06:04.04 | roh | s/can/could ;) |
| 06:04.55 | bedboi | yep |
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| 06:08.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco]] [[GPS]] [[GPS_Navigation]] |
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| 06:13.04 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 06:26.00 | wehttamb | counter? |
| 06:26.00 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic) (1808;252) |
| 06:26.58 | bedboi | wehttamb: you should not believe aloril |
| 06:27.00 | CM | Heh, I almost miss the constant "counter" asking ;) |
| 06:27.08 | wehttamb | lol |
| 06:27.15 | aloril | hehe, well I haven't updated that page for a while |
| 06:27.26 | wehttamb | when will the mass market release be released? |
| 06:27.36 | aloril | nobody knows |
| 06:27.52 | CM | I'm guessing it's quite a while away |
| 06:28.04 | CM | It needs to be stable or it will fail miserably |
| 06:29.25 | wehttamb | im looking forward to it being released so i can get one |
| 06:29.44 | bedboi | i guess that by taking into account the delays of the device release (2 months?) and the shipment, i will forecast 6 months |
| 06:30.12 | vallor | y'alls gotsta go tah sleep now, but first, don't forget to untangle the cord for the mouse: http://funtarded.com/pics/show/1449 |
| 06:30.22 | bedboi | and i think that december is too optimistic |
| 06:30.37 | wehttamb | k |
| 06:30.39 | rwhitby | my entry in the pool is Nov for GTA02 P0, Jan for GAT02 P1 and who knows for GTA02 P2 mass market release. |
| 06:31.01 | bedboi | eheh |
| 06:31.35 | bedboi | the GTA02 P2 could be a gaussian variable with huge standard deviation |
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| 06:32.23 | bedboi | btw if the orders@openmoko.com guys do not reply my mail, i'll cancel the order very soon |
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| 06:33.08 | roh | bedboi there are just ~980 untouched tickets *couch* |
| 06:33.13 | bedboi | AHAHHA |
| 06:33.25 | roh | hey.. thats already quite some progess |
| 06:33.36 | bedboi | so i guess i should cancel. |
| 06:33.56 | bedboi | roh: who gave you this info? |
| 06:34.14 | roh | that does not speed up things... if you got a rt id# youre in the queue |
| 06:34.23 | roh | bedboi i can see things in rt |
| 06:34.32 | bedboi | roh: i'll soon leave USA |
| 06:34.37 | bedboi | in 3 weeks |
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| 06:34.50 | bedboi | i guess 3 weeks is still too optimistic |
| 06:34.53 | roh | i just don't do sales, and have no clue of their exact state and plan.. |
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| 06:35.06 | roh | bedboi so you ordered a gta01? |
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| 06:35.11 | bedboi | yep |
| 06:35.42 | bedboi | the thing that piss me off is that the website should write WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE ARE SHIPPING |
| 06:35.48 | roh | hm.. 3 weeks... dunno.. depends mostly on the time the next shipment hits fica |
| 06:35.51 | bedboi | the shipping date could be in 1 or 2 years |
| 06:37.06 | bedboi | "Any orders placed now will not be shipping before September 10, 2007." this is what the openmoko.org online shop states |
| 06:37.15 | bedboi | it is way too generic imho |
| 06:37.23 | bedboi | not before |
| 06:37.28 | bedboi | you should give a bound |
| 06:37.43 | bedboi | between september 10, 2007 and september, 2010 |
| 06:38.09 | bedboi | so people can just change their mind |
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| 06:40.19 | roh | bedboi i would be happy to know myself, really |
| 06:40.48 | bedboi | :) |
| 06:44.10 | daMaestro | ah yes, i do also like the new front page of the wiki |
| 06:49.25 | CM | Me too, thanks rejon :) |
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| 06:56.41 | notserpe | how do I get into GTA02 P0 for working on graphics stuff? |
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| 07:04.15 | bedboi | yea the frontpage wiki looks really good now |
| 07:09.10 | doc|home | notserpe: they don't exist |
| 07:09.13 | doc|home | afaik |
| 07:09.31 | notserpe | I'm just wondering about the process of getting a |
| 07:09.44 | notserpe | GTA02 before retail |
| 07:10.14 | CM | My guess is that it will be the same way as it was with GTA01 |
| 07:10.41 | notserpe | a nightmare? |
| 07:10.50 | CM | notserpe: :P Hehe |
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| 07:13.31 | notserpe | thats an interesting rumor. I'll try to start making friends here ;-) |
| 07:13.51 | CM | notserpe: More than a rumour actually, mickeyl said it here |
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| 07:24.40 | notserpe | so who's started implementing opengl es for openmoko? |
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| 07:41.51 | doc|home | so, any update on when mass-release will be? |
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| 07:56.36 | bedboi | Your order is still fine so far. But we are temporarily short of stock. |
| 07:56.36 | bedboi | Our next batch have enough amount to fulfill everyone, the ETA is |
| 07:56.36 | bedboi | September 20. |
| 07:57.24 | bedboi | if the date is that it would be fine |
| 07:58.30 | Fatal | bedboi: heh, first they said 10th, then they said 24th to me. glad to see it decrease again :) |
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| 08:09.02 | wibbit | bedboi: is it possible to be told the number of GTA01's that have been shipped? |
| 08:09.02 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[GPS_Navigation]] [[User:Alessandro]] [[Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0]] [[Talk:MacOS_X]] [[User:Wisp]] [[Wishlist:Set_Local_Time]] |
| 08:09.41 | bedboi | wibbit: i don't know, i've just sent a mail to orders@om.com |
| 08:09.54 | wibbit | bedboi: ahh fair enough |
| 08:10.19 | bedboi | Fatal: ahaha, so maybe that 20th Sept is just a rough approximation of the actual shipping date |
| 08:10.39 | Fatal | bedboi: no idea, FIC tires me :/ |
| 08:10.42 | bedboi | if this is the case i will be quite pissed-off |
| 08:11.14 | bedboi | Fatal: when you placed your order? |
| 08:11.18 | Fatal | first day |
| 08:11.46 | bedboi | lol |
| 08:11.53 | bedboi | i would be really pissed off |
| 08:12.24 | bedboi | *would have been |
| 08:12.58 | bedboi | well time to sleep, it's 2 am here. |
| 08:13.22 | Fatal | I'm extremly unimpressed, especially when they said "Don't worry, I'll reserve the phones for your order." when there was a problem with my CC, so sent them another CC the day after, they then decided to not reply for over a week, had to mail jouston at his private mail, then they say they sold the units they "reserved" during that week |
| 08:14.08 | bedboi | lol |
| 08:14.25 | bedboi | i guess i'll cancel my order |
| 08:14.44 | bedboi | 20 is way too close to my departure date from here |
| 08:14.51 | Fatal | I still want mine, so I'm sticking with it |
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| 08:15.14 | Fatal | but I had expected to get more than 2 months out of it before the new hw comes out |
| 08:15.35 | bedboi | Fatal: well, it's too bad, but i can't do that. the package would arrive and i would not be here. |
| 08:15.42 | Fatal | ouch |
| 08:15.51 | Fatal | mail them and change the delivery address then? |
| 08:15.55 | bedboi | no way |
| 08:16.03 | bedboi | i'll be in paris, then in my city. |
| 08:16.19 | bedboi | i'm quite nomadic in these months |
| 08:18.22 | Fatal | ah |
| 08:19.08 | bedboi | this is the longest period in a place until January |
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| 08:19.38 | bedboi | well i'll definitely go to sleep |
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| 08:19.48 | squalyl | hi all |
| 08:21.22 | squalyl | er... I noticed that bitbake forgot to build uboot image here! how is it possible?? |
| 08:21.38 | abraxa_ | squalyl: Using MokoMakefile? |
| 08:21.48 | squalyl | non, direct bitbake openmoko-devel-image |
| 08:21.52 | abraxa_ | Ah |
| 08:21.59 | squalyl | and running bitbake u-boot fails :( |
| 08:22.02 | CM | I'm not sure, but I think it was removed as a dependency to the kernel or something like that |
| 08:22.10 | abraxa_ | Yeah CM |
| 08:22.24 | squalyl | so, we need to build it separately? |
| 08:22.38 | CM | squalyl: You have a debug board I presume? |
| 08:22.49 | squalyl | I have qemu :'( |
| 08:23.10 | CM | Ah, ok. Then why do you need uboot to build? Is it needed? |
| 08:23.18 | roh | squalyl bitbake uboot-openmoko |
| 08:23.27 | squalyl | good tip :D |
| 08:23.33 | squalyl | I'll try this |
| 08:23.47 | roh | squalyl you can also do bitbake -b uboot-openmoko_svn.bb to have a nonfrozen version. |
| 08:24.01 | squalyl | thanks |
| 08:24.19 | squalyl | i'm updating OE now |
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| 08:26.15 | rwhitby | uboot-openmoko fails to build for me |
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| 08:28.33 | roh | rwhitby ive just built svn ones recently.. |
| 08:28.46 | El_Salvador | hello everybody |
| 08:29.54 | squalyl | hi |
| 08:36.32 | roh | rwhitby i'll do some tests.. |
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| 08:42.22 | squalyl | uboot-openmoko_svn compiled fine here |
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| 08:45.02 | rwhitby | hmm |
| 08:45.48 | roh | squalyl when? yesterday? |
| 08:45.56 | squalyl | 5 minutes ago |
| 08:46.02 | roh | weird |
| 08:47.22 | squalyl | and I just finished using it to flash quemu |
| 08:47.55 | squalyl | OK it works fine |
| 08:48.18 | squalyl | wow my first OM2007.2 image :) |
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| 08:55.40 | Malebob | is there a public svn repo for u-boot? |
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| 09:01.22 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r2951 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/src/persistent.c: Fixed default file chooser location |
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| 09:02.46 | RalphEichelberge | well i am here again |
| 09:03.31 | RalphEichelberge | and i have that same problem again that i had bevore |
| 09:03.49 | RalphEichelberge | sorry i dont get that joke |
| 09:04.03 | RalphEichelberge | a movie? |
| 09:04.12 | SpeedEvil | Just checking you are in fact back, and it's not an imposter. |
| 09:04.24 | RalphEichelberge | ah |
| 09:04.39 | RalphEichelberge | well, i am here in flesh and blood |
| 09:04.50 | SpeedEvil | Or ratehr I woke up some time ago, and am not awake. |
| 09:04.59 | RalphEichelberge | i see |
| 09:05.04 | RalphEichelberge | cofe? |
| 09:05.17 | RalphEichelberge | i would meet if i could |
| 09:05.25 | RalphEichelberge | but u know |
| 09:06.02 | RalphEichelberge | hey, maybe you can give me a hint.. |
| 09:06.43 | RalphEichelberge | i just have started a new build after "make update" |
| 09:06.44 | SpeedEvil | If I can. |
| 09:06.48 | RalphEichelberge | but |
| 09:06.55 | SpeedEvil | I've not done the build environment yet. |
| 09:07.03 | RalphEichelberge | oh |
| 09:07.16 | SpeedEvil | just say - maybe someone is lurking. |
| 09:07.28 | RalphEichelberge | well than --> no coffee :) |
| 09:07.50 | RalphEichelberge | Speed where are you from? |
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| 09:08.38 | SpeedEvil | Scotland. |
| 09:09.06 | RalphEichelberge | OK: SOMEONE ! does ".../install/cups-locale" ring a bell? |
| 09:09.40 | jgm | RalphEichelberge: what's the actual error? Could you pastebin it? |
| 09:09.45 | wibbit | Has there been any update regarding the gps chips in the GTA02? |
| 09:09.48 | RalphEichelberge | Speed where are you working on in Moko? |
| 09:09.58 | SpeedEvil | Power managment, and GPS |
| 09:10.07 | SpeedEvil | and no wibbit. |
| 09:10.23 | wibbit | SpeedEvil: bummer |
| 09:10.30 | RalphEichelberge | wibbit: NO such File or Dir |
| 09:10.45 | Malebob | wibbit: I'm eagerly waiting too |
| 09:10.57 | RalphEichelberge | sorry i ment jgm |
| 09:11.05 | wibbit | I think we are all eagerly waiting on this particular piece of news |
| 09:11.11 | thos | wibbit, harald sent an e-mail to community |
| 09:11.18 | SpeedEvil | When? |
| 09:11.28 | SpeedEvil | ->thos |
| 09:11.35 | RalphEichelberge | JGM: it doent exists |
| 09:11.50 | wibbit | thos: do you have a link to the entry in the mailing list? |
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| 09:12.29 | RalphEichelberge | if i go "ln -s cups-locale-de cups-locale" it works till the next ...locale# |
| 09:12.50 | thos | SpeedEvil, 4th Sept |
| 09:13.09 | jgm | RalphEichelberge: sounds some other problem, let me check with the latest updates |
| 09:15.49 | wibbit | thos: to the announce or community list? |
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| 09:17.06 | RalphEichelberge | SpeedEvil: is GPS working? |
| 09:17.24 | SpeedEvil | The hardware works. |
| 09:17.33 | thos | wibbit, community |
| 09:17.37 | SpeedEvil | The binary driver works in OM2007.1 |
| 09:17.57 | SpeedEvil | This has not yet been officially released though. |
| 09:17.58 | RalphEichelberge | what did change in 2007.2? |
| 09:18.07 | SpeedEvil | it does not work on 2007.2 due to ABI changes |
| 09:18.12 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Have you tried to disable locales or changed that in some way? |
| 09:18.21 | SpeedEvil | It may work with a 2007.1 chroot |
| 09:18.35 | RalphEichelberge | CM: no - how can i do this? |
| 09:18.44 | RalphEichelberge | i dont need locals |
| 09:18.47 | CM | SpeedEvil: Have you tried pavelm's chroot instructions? |
| 09:19.01 | SpeedEvil | I haven't tried - I assume it will. |
| 09:19.07 | SpeedEvil | I've not installed 2007.2 |
| 09:19.17 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Add ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" to your local.conf |
| 09:19.36 | RalphEichelberge | at /etc/..? |
| 09:19.43 | CM | No, in bitbake |
| 09:19.48 | RalphEichelberge | i c |
| 09:19.53 | RalphEichelberge | ok i try |
| 09:20.19 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Mine is /home/moko/build/conf/local.conf |
| 09:20.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r2952 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/src/ (5 files): |
| 09:20.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Fix doubled unref of the alsa sink (the playbin already does that) |
| 09:20.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Prevent file chooser path from being empty |
| 09:20.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Fix playlist list icon |
| 09:20.45 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Fix playlist editor list icon |
| 09:20.50 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Add INHERIT += "rm_work" too if you don't already have it |
| 09:21.27 | RalphEichelberge | CM: sorry but i cant find local.conf |
| 09:21.40 | RalphEichelberge | i found bitbake.conf but without that tag |
| 09:21.55 | CM | RalphEichelberge: That's odd. In what dir do you run the makefile? |
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| 09:22.13 | CM | Maybe you should try a fresh setup from scratch ;) |
| 09:22.29 | RalphEichelberge | oh well its in build found it! |
| 09:22.36 | CM | :) |
| 09:23.00 | RalphEichelberge | MACHINE = "fic-gta01" |
| 09:23.01 | RalphEichelberge | DISTRO = "openmoko" |
| 09:23.01 | RalphEichelberge | BUILD_ARCH = "i686" |
| 09:23.01 | RalphEichelberge | conf/local.conf (END) |
| 09:23.14 | RalphEichelberge | thats all |
| 09:23.24 | wibbit | thos: Okay, found it, I'd read that one before :\ |
| 09:23.34 | RalphEichelberge | :) |
| 09:23.35 | CM | Ok, add the lines I suggested too. |
| 09:23.37 | wibbit | For any one else that may be interested. http://marc.info/?l=openmoko-community&m=118891977802077&w=2 |
| 09:24.30 | CM | wibbit: I know mickeyl has an eabi binary for the GTA01 phones |
| 09:24.46 | CM | SpeedEvil: You saw that too didn't you? |
| 09:24.59 | CM | GPS binary that is |
| 09:25.12 | RalphEichelberge | oh no! not again! |
| 09:25.23 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 09:25.35 | SpeedEvil | It would ahve been a bit nice to mention this earlier. |
| 09:25.57 | CM | Yes, but I think he got it quite recently |
| 09:28.08 | SpeedEvil | I mean the 'we may be changing the GPS' in somewhere official. |
| 09:29.08 | mjr | it would. |
| 09:31.51 | Malebob | wibbit: thanks |
| 09:32.20 | wibbit | Malebob: no problem |
| 09:32.57 | Malebob | the 'may' is a little bit sad ;) |
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| 09:38.59 | XorA | woowoo, I can call my neo |
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| 09:53.17 | RalphEichelberge | well its compiling still :) i hope i can start developing soon |
| 09:54.04 | RalphEichelberge | SpeedEvil: my mission is to get GPS working - so how about working 2gether on that beast? |
| 09:54.21 | RalphEichelberge | I have tht neo GTA02 |
| 09:55.58 | SpeedEvil | What do you mean by GPS working? |
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| 09:56.42 | XorA | RalphEichelberge: GTA02? |
| 09:58.17 | SpeedEvil | Well - as I don't have a GTA02 - I can't do much with that. |
| 09:59.22 | aloril | RalphEichelberge: what GPS chip your GTA02 has? (or did you mean GTA01B_v04?) |
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| 10:02.00 | RalphEichelberge | wenn u are right its GTA01V4 |
| 10:02.20 | RalphEichelberge | i meant the 2nd not the 0 version |
| 10:03.35 | RalphEichelberge | i PM u Speed when i am ready to start hacking |
| 10:04.00 | SpeedEvil | What do you want to do? |
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| 10:09.22 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Bootloader]] [[GPS_Navigation]] |
| 10:09.48 | RalphEichelberge | we are using gps-mouses or cellphones with java-api and client-software to do various applications |
| 10:10.40 | RalphEichelberge | me, i have to get neo1973 working in order to develop our clients |
| 10:11.05 | SpeedEvil | For the moment, just use the gpsd fake thing |
| 10:11.21 | RalphEichelberge | for development? |
| 10:11.48 | SpeedEvil | yes. you don't really need real GPS positions at least initially. |
| 10:11.55 | RalphEichelberge | is there a java-api on moko? |
| 10:11.59 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 10:12.04 | SpeedEvil | Not yet anyway. |
| 10:12.17 | RalphEichelberge | well, thats not a problem |
| 10:12.46 | RalphEichelberge | ok, and that fake thing is a wrapper for what you are developing? |
| 10:13.11 | SpeedEvil | yes. gpsd can either take input from 'real' hardware, or it can take input from a file. |
| 10:13.19 | SpeedEvil | Or it can produce random positions. |
| 10:13.25 | SpeedEvil | well - a random wander |
| 10:13.33 | RalphEichelberge | is there a api-doc for gpsd? |
| 10:14.40 | SpeedEvil | yes - look for the project homepage - it's got all of the documentation. |
| 10:15.04 | RalphEichelberge | ok - thx |
| 10:15.24 | SpeedEvil | It's pretty simple, you basically connect to a named pipe, ans send simple commands. |
| 10:18.47 | RalphEichelberge | i ll go get something to eat now - cu later |
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| 10:29.00 | tuukkah | can i find the uboot image my phone shipped with somewhere? |
| 10:30.23 | xkr47 | tuukkah, wassup ?-O |
| 10:30.51 | tuukkah | the new uboot crashes when i try to boot from or access the sd card |
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| 11:01.28 | tuukkah | my server died right after i said the new uboot crashes when trying to boot from sd :-( |
| 11:03.35 | CM | tuukkah: Take the 2007.08 uboot, it works quite ok |
| 11:04.47 | tuukkah | CM, that's the new one i'm talking about. the bug is like this: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=799 |
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| 11:07.34 | CM | Oh, ok |
| 11:07.40 | rwhitby | hooray - uboot now builds for me |
| 11:07.46 | rwhitby | time to add it back into mokomakefile |
| 11:08.11 | CM | My uboot have been broken from start... In the beginning I could get the boot menu back, but I haven't been able to do that lately |
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| 11:08.56 | tuukkah | CM, what about the usb console, can you access that? |
| 11:09.07 | CM | No, not without the boot menu |
| 11:09.16 | tuukkah | you should be able to |
| 11:09.40 | CM | What I did before was to start the neo, ssh in, scp mtdblock1 over an then dd it to /dev/mtdblock1 |
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| 11:09.51 | CM | And then restart |
| 11:10.19 | CM | Also, I've only ever managed to boot using Factory Reset |
| 11:10.31 | CM | Plain boot always fail on "Wrong magic number" |
| 11:10.36 | tuukkah | there should be a short delay when uboot starts before it boots the kernel. during that time, you can gain access to the bootloader console |
| 11:10.50 | CM | Ok. I'll give that a try |
| 11:10.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r160 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Added uboot-openmoko back into the image build |
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| 11:11.32 | tuukkah | by default the time period is unfortunatly just a couple of seconds |
| 11:12.01 | Maledictus | rwhitby: can I browse the repo with the mokomakefile? |
| 11:12.11 | rwhitby | which repo? |
| 11:12.35 | tuukkah | the mokomakefile repo i assume :-) |
| 11:12.42 | Maledictus | yep |
| 11:13.29 | rwhitby | http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev or http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev or http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/ ?? |
| 11:13.53 | rwhitby | oops, second paste should be http://svnweb.openmoko.org/ |
| 11:14.13 | rwhitby | mokomakefile repo is the last one |
| 11:14.18 | Maledictus | the 2nd one is it I guess |
| 11:14.31 | rwhitby | is projects.openmoko.org working properly yet does anyone know? |
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| 11:15.43 | rwhitby | (as the only reason I have it on the nslu2-linux site is cause projects.openmoko.org anon svn access was broken for so long) |
| 11:16.13 | Maledictus | ah, ok |
| 11:18.16 | raster | there will come a day |
| 11:18.40 | raster | wehn we break all bonds of brotherhoot and my openmoko build will compile |
| 11:18.45 | raster | but today is not this day |
| 11:18.49 | CM | Hehe |
| 11:18.59 | raster | today... we make update and try again! |
| 11:22.35 | CM | NOTE: build 200709111313: completed |
| 11:22.42 | tuukkah | of course i can run strings on the backup to see the image i'm after is "U-Boot 1.2.0-moko9_r8_70124c2602ae2d4c5d3dba05b482d91548242de8_0_2040 (May 19 2007 - 06:59:48)" |
| 11:28.53 | squalyl | (not) funny http://theinquirer.net/?article=42235 |
| 11:29.24 | raster | actually |
| 11:29.27 | raster | silly user most likely |
| 11:29.41 | Maledictus | rwhitby: I don't understand why you use mkdosfs on make qemu? |
| 11:30.03 | Maledictus | ahh, mom, I see |
| 11:30.14 | Maledictus | you insert it as a SD card |
| 11:30.57 | rwhitby | yep, I can't take credit for that - it was someone else's contribution |
| 11:31.07 | Maledictus | problem is: under freebsd there is no mkdosfs, so I just touch the file |
| 11:31.30 | CM | rwhitby: uboot_openmoko built fine on amd64 :) |
| 11:31.51 | rwhitby | CM: builds fine here too now - I think I just had a bad git checkout or something |
| 11:32.00 | CM | *nod* |
| 11:32.22 | CM | Have not been much updates to om in the last two days |
| 11:32.31 | Maledictus | without the mkdosfs (and a minor patch to qemu-neo1973) the MokoMakefile runs just fine under freebsd |
| 11:33.48 | raster | woot |
| 11:33.52 | rwhitby | Maledictus: if you submit a patch that detects FreeBSD and does the right thing without affecting the Linux operation, I'll be happy to incorporate it. |
| 11:33.53 | raster | there it goes again |
| 11:34.17 | raster | filling up my disk |
| 11:34.18 | Maledictus | rwhitby: ok, that's fair. Have to look how gmake works... |
| 11:34.49 | CM | raster: Haven't heard anyone else having that problem. Weird |
| 11:34.49 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:35.04 | raster | in ~/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pcmciautils-014-r1/temp |
| 11:35.14 | raster | ooh |
| 11:35.16 | raster | up to 28g now |
| 11:35.20 | raster | and i already ctrl-c'd it |
| 11:35.23 | CM | Maybe time to bug some people in #oe? |
| 11:35.30 | raster | it just may be... |
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| 11:36.17 | raster | ccache arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc -march=armv4t -mtune=arm920t -I/home/raster/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/pcmciautils-014-r1/pcmciautils-014/src -isystem/home/raster/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include -fexpensive-optimizations -fomit-frame-pointer -frename-registers -Os -c -o src/pccardctl.o src/pccardctl.c |
| 11:36.25 | raster | billions of lines of that... |
| 11:36.27 | raster | niiiiiice |
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| 11:36.58 | raster | 32G log.do_compile.6792 |
| 11:37.05 | raster | it seems to have gotten caught in a yes loop |
| 11:38.56 | rwhitby | and the best thing is that pcmciautils is not even used in the image, nor is it a dependency of anything in the image ;-) |
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| 11:40.45 | raster | yeah |
| 11:40.49 | raster | greeeeeaaaaaat! |
| 11:40.53 | raster | grrr |
| 11:40.58 | raster | my patience has run thin for today |
| 11:44.06 | zedstar | sometimes my icons/menu at the top vanishes and i need the keyboard...anyone know how to get it back without rebooting? |
| 11:44.53 | raster | mmmm crashes |
| 11:46.11 | tuukkah | zedstar, can you restart X from a terminal? |
| 11:47.30 | zedstar | yeh...i cud try that..i notice openmoko-keyboard launches the old keyboard...wonder if there was a quick way of launching that icon bar |
| 11:48.07 | raster | no idea |
| 11:48.11 | raster | i need to replace that stuff... |
| 11:48.16 | raster | if my om every builds... |
| 11:48.18 | raster | ever |
| 11:48.48 | tuukkah | zedstar, has to be something in /etc/matchbox/session |
| 11:49.02 | zedstar | thanks tuukkah will have a look |
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| 12:05.08 | zedstar | tuukah: great found it there... matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets keyboard |
| 12:07.25 | xkr47 | :) |
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| 12:09.03 | aloril | (script) planet: Thomas Wood: OpenMoko Dates - First shots! http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/09/11/openmoko-dates-first-shots/ |
| 12:09.03 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Maledictus]] [[User:Marsan]] [[Manually_re-flashing_the_bootloader]] |
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| 12:18.31 | CM | Looks nice |
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| 12:26.00 | borg_ | indeed |
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| 12:31.57 | josch_ | to have python build into my openmoko image by the makefile - do i just have to edit a .bb file in openembedded/packages/tasks? |
| 12:32.06 | Basher | :C |
| 12:32.15 | Basher | shit, wrong channel - again |
| 12:32.28 | Basher | sorry =) |
| 12:35.31 | CM | josch_: That, or install via ipkg |
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| 12:38.20 | josch_ | there has to be a wiki article or a howto somewhere how to do this? if not, I will try it with both ways and then create an article for the openmoko wiki myself |
| 12:39.38 | Maledictus | rwhitby: how about this? http://bsdpaste.bsdgroup.de/583 (patch got mangled) |
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| 12:40.04 | Maledictus | this way I can use gmake MKDOSFS="truncate -s 500m openmoko/openmoko-sd.image; true" qemu |
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| 12:42.26 | zilt | josch_: just extend openmoko-devel-image.bb and make your own bb with the packages you want. |
| 12:42.40 | zilt | josch_: on the wiki, see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/Using_a_local_overlay |
| 12:43.22 | zilt | josch_: the last paragraph on that page " Changing what's included on the build" |
| 12:44.30 | Sup3rkiddo | hey all, can anyone take a look at this and tell me whatsup..http://pastebin.ca/691852 |
| 12:44.42 | CM | josch_: Or, alternatively: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Package_management |
| 12:45.48 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: That's a new one |
| 12:46.28 | Sup3rkiddo | CM, was getting this since 2 days even after updating my tree... |
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| 12:46.50 | CM | Strange. I've build it two days ago, and updated this morning and built again |
| 12:47.11 | CM | Sometimes I think svn or git or something just eats files when used with bitbake |
| 12:47.52 | Sup3rkiddo | CM, maybe i will do a clean of the package in question, didnt try that yet :) |
| 12:52.57 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r161 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Allow mkdosfs to be overridden (for building on FreeBSD) |
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| 12:54.28 | Sup3rkiddo | CM, kick me in the butt....cleaning up solved it :| |
| 12:57.03 | CM | Sup3rkiddo: Well, good thing you got around it :) |
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| 12:57.41 | mmazur | Why? |
| 12:58.21 | CM | mmazur: Hoping that it will be of some use |
| 12:58.23 | buz | who was doing the GPS Reverse Engineering? |
| 12:58.32 | buz | Ian something? |
| 12:58.43 | CM | Yes, and Elrond I think |
| 12:59.55 | XorA | Ian == SpeedEvil I think |
| 13:00.14 | jeddy3 | what about dmitri? |
| 13:00.25 | buz | can i get a neo for trolling the chan? |
| 13:00.34 | CM | Think so,just looked at [Hammerhead/Protocol] |
| 13:01.07 | CM | jeddy3: Yes, that's [User:Shadowjack] |
| 13:01.16 | jeddy3 | ah, nod |
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| 13:06.42 | RalphEichelberge | hey guys! |
| 13:07.07 | RalphEichelberge | i dont understand how you build any rootfs |
| 13:07.22 | RalphEichelberge | i cant even get over that locales problem |
| 13:07.35 | RalphEichelberge | no matter what i am trying |
| 13:07.50 | RalphEichelberge | i allways get this: |
| 13:08.02 | RalphEichelberge | OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/openmoko/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/cups-1.2.10-r2/install/cups-locale' |
| 13:08.02 | RalphEichelberge | ERROR: Task 1430 (/home/openmoko/moko/openembedded/packages/cups/cups_1.2.10.bb, do_package_write_ipk) failed |
| 13:08.02 | RalphEichelberge | NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 3160 tasks of which 3160 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed. |
| 13:08.02 | RalphEichelberge | ERROR: '/home/openmoko/moko/openembedded/packages/cups/cups_1.2.10.bb' failed |
| 13:08.02 | RalphEichelberge | make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Fehler 1 |
| 13:08.04 | RalphEichelberge | openmoko@openmoko-celsius:~/moko$ |
| 13:08.09 | CM | ~pastebin |
| 13:08.09 | apt | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 13:09.49 | CM | RalphEichelberge: I haven't heard anyone have that problem, and I just finished a build after lunch today. |
| 13:09.51 | RalphEichelberge | ok |
| 13:10.13 | CM | So there's something strange with your computer |
| 13:10.20 | RalphEichelberge | well i got this thing have configured from my boss |
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| 13:10.59 | RalphEichelberge | maybe i should start all over again delete that moko dir and install it from skratch |
| 13:11.05 | RalphEichelberge | scratch* |
| 13:11.13 | RalphEichelberge | i will |
| 13:11.14 | CM | RalphEichelberge: That's what usually works for me |
| 13:11.18 | CM | :) |
| 13:11.22 | RalphEichelberge | :) |
| 13:11.44 | CM | Remember to set that line in the local.conf so you don't build all locales |
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| 13:11.53 | CM | it saves time, more than an hour for me |
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| 13:46.06 | nnpiggy | Are there any other phase 0 folks out there? Have you managed to run gllin with a newer kernel? |
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| 13:50.27 | nnpiggy | The file command identifies it as a "2.4.0" executable. |
| 13:51.46 | XorA | ah, are you confusing the fact gllin is totally unable to run on 2007.2 openmoko with kernel problems? |
| 13:52.24 | nnpiggy | Perhaps. Is there some other reason for it's inability to run? |
| 13:52.41 | nnpiggy | I assume were just missing a module for the particular executable format. |
| 13:53.08 | nnpiggy | Or did the Linux ARM folks break the ABI going from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 13:53.28 | aloril | OABI vs EABI? |
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| 13:53.51 | nnpiggy | I don't know either of the acronyms. |
| 13:54.00 | aloril | different floating point emulation |
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| 13:54.09 | nnpiggy | Ah. |
| 13:54.29 | aloril | copy old system to media/card, run old gllin chrooted? |
| 13:55.52 | nnpiggy | That would still leave you with a newer kernel. It's clear that the kernel does not recognize gllin as a valid executable. |
| 13:55.56 | CM | nnpiggy: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gllin |
| 13:56.12 | CM | At least it seems to work for pavelm |
| 13:56.27 | nnpiggy | Hmm... It's just the libraries? Interesting... |
| 13:57.11 | mickeyl | EABI-aware gllin is in progress |
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| 13:58.32 | nnpiggy | Drat. We have no ldd... |
| 13:59.08 | nnpiggy | Thanks, mickeyl. |
| 13:59.25 | mickeyl | np. hopefully within this week |
| 13:59.47 | nnpiggy | My primary interest in the neo1973 is as a GPS device. |
| 13:59.53 | nnpiggy | Great! |
| 13:59.55 | CM | nnpiggy: Same here |
| 13:59.59 | SpeedEvil | #00 |
| 14:00.00 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 14:00.02 | SpeedEvil | Woo |
| 14:00.05 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:00.27 | nnpiggy | I'm interested in using it for specimen notes for field collections. |
| 14:00.41 | CM | nnpiggy: What are you collecting? |
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| 14:05.03 | SpeedEvil | I'm interested in doing openstreetmap stuff. |
| 14:05.12 | cb22 | SpeedEvil, same here |
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| 14:05.49 | nnpiggy | CM: mostly fungi. |
| 14:06.11 | nnpiggy | I'm an amateur field mycologist. |
| 14:08.16 | SpeedEvil | natural:mushroom |
| 14:08.38 | nnpiggy | Yep. |
| 14:08.42 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Camera]] |
| 14:09.16 | nnpiggy | Yeah, that would be handy too. But location information is sufficient for a lot of cool applications. |
| 14:09.44 | SpeedEvil | Especially with a bluetooth thingy to do voice tags |
| 14:10.11 | nnpiggy | Oh, I like that. |
| 14:10.31 | nnpiggy | For that matter, the mike in the phone is sufficient for voice tagging. |
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| 14:11.00 | nnpiggy | I could see the birders getting excited about that... |
| 14:11.12 | baird | nnpiggy: I've done a bit of that.. No-one in the Australian Fungi group has yet to ID this huge purple mushroom I found :) .. http://www.flickr.com/photos/chris_j_b/519954794/ ..&.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/chris_j_b/497808809/ |
| 14:11.50 | XorA | baird: those are cool assed mushrooms |
| 14:12.17 | nnpiggy | It's a Cortinarius, but getting more specific than that is really difficult. |
| 14:12.35 | nnpiggy | That is a rusty-brown spore print on the upper stipe, right? |
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| 14:13.04 | baird | My ex-girlfriend, who I was geocaching with at the time, wants me to name them after her if they're a new species.. -_- |
| 14:13.07 | nnpiggy | Was it viscid? |
| 14:13.47 | SpeedEvil | baird: if you were gay, that would make the obvious joke a lot better. |
| 14:13.54 | SpeedEvil | 'was he a fungi'? |
| 14:14.00 | baird | nnpiggy: no, that's very close to the original colour in the underside photo-- more orange than rust. |
| 14:14.16 | SpeedEvil | Wacky shroom. |
| 14:14.39 | nnpiggy | That's still within the range of colors for Corts. Did you take a spore print? |
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| 14:17.01 | baird | No, unfortunately-- didn't have the paper on me, plus I was blushwalking with whining people. Also, I was in a National Park, where removing flora and fuana is a big no-no. |
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| 14:17.38 | nnpiggy | Are you allowed to collect fruit in the National Parks? |
| 14:17.56 | baird | Nope, not in NSW Australia, anyway. |
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| 14:18.01 | vallor | http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iT1KAi6UEPN8LqZlvLnfsxP7ToKw <--- I hope this isn't another "cold fusion hoax" |
| 14:18.02 | nnpiggy | Bummer. |
| 14:18.12 | vallor | ...Burning Seawater |
| 14:18.13 | SpeedEvil | I wonder when portable rapid inexpensive DNA analysis tools will hit. |
| 14:18.34 | vallor | http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=burning+sea+water&btnG=Search+News |
| 14:18.35 | XorA | SpeedEvil: depends how you define analysis |
| 14:18.38 | SpeedEvil | poke it at the plant/animal, and it gives you a species name and care info. |
| 14:18.41 | SpeedEvil | for $20 |
| 14:18.52 | SpeedEvil | In a pocket-sized device. |
| 14:19.12 | baird | Cortinarius sounds very likely, now. There was an incredible colour in the mushrooms, which might be explained by the fluorescent orellanine toxin.. |
| 14:19.31 | nnpiggy | Tom Volk says there are about a dozen purple corts--it's not one of the four he mentions specificly... |
| 14:20.06 | SpeedEvil | Be some time. |
| 14:20.09 | baird | It's said that in Australia, only about 15% of fungi species have been identified and classified to date.. |
| 14:20.27 | nnpiggy | SpeedEvil--aside from having to wait a bit, there are services that will do the analysis for you for a little as $5 per sample. We're getting there... |
| 14:20.38 | jeddy3 | vallor, if true, it's pretty damn wicked |
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| 14:20.44 | madwoota | we work on identifying the ones that can kill you first |
| 14:20.49 | madwoota | spiders, snakes, sharks :P |
| 14:21.08 | nnpiggy | Yeah, even in North America there are a significant number of unnamed species. If you want to study Amanitas for Russulas, you can name species left and right... |
| 14:21.27 | vallor | indeed jeddy3 -- I'm already thinking about how something like this could power our datacenter, hehe |
| 14:21.29 | nnpiggy | I'm working on a new subspecies of Xylaria polymorpha now... |
| 14:21.30 | SpeedEvil | nnpiggy: I know - I was more meaning an actual portable device - which is some way off. A full sequencer would be nice too. But not needed for most stuff. |
| 14:22.11 | nnpiggy | If you just want a signature, a portable device could be built today. It would take a few hours for the device to do it's job, but you could build it. |
| 14:22.34 | nnpiggy | DNA sequencer? Yeah, I want a full tricorder... |
| 14:22.52 | SpeedEvil | I want holograms to work like they do in the movies. |
| 14:23.37 | nnpiggy | baird, have you been studying fungi for long? |
| 14:23.51 | nnpiggy | I developed my interest while living in Tassie. |
| 14:25.18 | nnpiggy | http://www.fungiphoto.com/CTLG/IMAGES/IM/0408-06.jpg |
| 14:25.32 | nnpiggy | I LOVE Taylor Lockwood's photos... |
| 14:26.16 | baird | No, and it's hardly serious-- it came about while geocaching and bushwalking with a friend who drags his SLR everywhere, and we werw taking advantage of the March-April season. |
| 14:26.53 | nnpiggy | Cortinarius is another gigantic genus--odds are very good your species in unnamed. |
| 14:27.30 | nnpiggy | You should get yourself a permit and look for it again next Fall. |
| 14:28.20 | nnpiggy | Oh well. Off to interview another candidate... |
| 14:28.21 | vallor | wow, that fungus looks like Lovecraft's "The color out of space" |
| 14:28.24 | vallor | or something like that |
| 14:31.22 | baird | Could do... I would say it's very likely that the plant has a permanent home in the area, going on the 6-8 mushrooms of that species I found within 15 metres of each other. |
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| 14:32.57 | baird | Actually.. I have a friend who is a Biology Postgrad, and I believe she already has a State-wide collection permit. |
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| 14:34.08 | nnpiggy | Excellent. You should arrange to collect a few and dry them. I can't think of a cort person off the top of my head, but I know there are several in the US.... |
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| 14:37.32 | nnpiggy | baird, do you have names for all of your "Glendale mushrooms"? I recognize a few... |
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| 14:40.41 | baird | nnpiggy: nothing beyond what I've mentioned with the posts. |
| 14:41.21 | nnpiggy | That ball looks like a Scleroderma. It's not S. citrinum--too smooth... |
| 14:41.42 | nnpiggy | I agree with the assessment of Gymnopilus. |
| 14:42.03 | nnpiggy | http://www.flickr.com/photos/chris_j_b/499213424/in/set-72157600217056554/ looks like another cort. |
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| 14:42.52 | nnpiggy | http://www.flickr.com/photos/chris_j_b/499213416/in/set-72157600217056554/ I know this genus, but I'm drawing a blank at the moment... |
| 14:43.14 | baird | nnpiggy: I was just thinking that. "webcaps" |
| 14:43.40 | nnpiggy | Nipple-topped Mushroom is a Mycena. Species may come to me in the next few minutes... |
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| 14:44.11 | nnpiggy | "Small Yellow Fungi" is Dacromyces palmatus (sp?) |
| 14:44.15 | CM | :D |
| 14:44.33 | nnpiggy | Has CM renamed this channel? :-) |
| 14:45.05 | CM | I know chantrelle (sp?) and toadstool, but there my skillz ends |
| 14:45.19 | nnpiggy | "Tall Brown Mushroom" is a Xerula, probably X. radicata (=Clitocybe radicata, Oudomansiella radicata) |
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| 14:45.41 | nnpiggy | p5152479 is another cort. |
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| 14:46.19 | nnpiggy | Purple-grey mushroom looks like Lepista nuda (= Clitocybe nuda, the blewit). |
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| 14:47.01 | torpor | w00t |
| 14:47.11 | torpor | shroomfreeks are scarey |
| 14:47.30 | nnpiggy | bwahahahaha! |
| 14:47.40 | baird | nnp: I'm adding your guesses to the comments... |
| 14:48.05 | nnpiggy | Back to work... Auf wieder byebye! |
| 14:48.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2953 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/ (README src/buttonactions.c): neod: add button action support for Motorola EZX platform |
| 14:50.35 | DPThought | nice mushroom chat. :) The most bizzare mushroom i discovered here is Clathrus archeri. I felt if i had almost tripped over a hatch of alien egs. :) |
| 14:51.54 | Writchie | best is the "MokoMushrooms" they grow by keeping them in the dark - but then they explode. |
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| 14:58.17 | baird | The archeri would freak me out too. :) |
| 14:58.20 | torpor | Writchie: sure do propagate in weird places too .. |
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| 15:00.05 | baird | Your idea of the Xerula: Xerula australis ... http://australianfungi.blogspot.com/2007/04/10-xerula-australis.html (from someone I've met 'online' who lives nearby) |
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| 15:22.32 | hhf423_w | re |
| 15:25.09 | hhf423_w | Writchie: send them apple gift certificates? |
| 15:25.21 | Writchie | $100 coupon |
| 15:25.39 | Writchie | can u use the coupon for unlocking? |
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| 15:26.35 | hhf423_w | harhar |
| 15:27.04 | emdete | is someone playing with webkit also? |
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| 16:07.12 | torpor | is there a channel trigger for the 'current feedlist recommendations'? |
| 16:09.42 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Wisp]] [[Clocks]] [[Clock]] [[User:Kf]] [[Application_Development_Crash_Course]] [[Variometer]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Wishlist:Camera]] |
| 16:15.02 | hhf423_w | current feedlist recoms? feedlist as in repositories or as in blogs? |
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| 16:21.01 | hhf423_w | hmm, nothing to test there? |
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| 16:30.52 | PBeck | hi |
| 16:31.07 | Elrond | buz - Yes. I work on gps reverse engeneering (IF I have time and energy) |
| 16:33.05 | pH5 | Elrond: not if, when |
| 16:33.06 | pH5 | hi |
| 16:34.07 | Elrond | pH5 - Huh, Yeah. |
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| 16:34.54 | Elrond | I lately used the openmoko gps for improving osm. :) |
| 16:35.12 | hhf423_w | osm? |
| 16:35.21 | Fatal | openstreetmaps |
| 16:36.02 | hhf423_w | ah |
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| 16:36.12 | Shoragan | Elrond, where are you mapping? |
| 16:36.17 | hhf423_w | can one do anything usable with neo and gps yet? |
| 16:36.25 | Elrond | Shoragan - Darmstadt and around. |
| 16:36.51 | Shoragan | ah :) |
| 16:36.53 | torpor | hhf423_w: in terms of where the current 'developer mainline packages are available' as well as any recommended other sets? |
| 16:36.54 | SpeedEvil | define usable. |
| 16:37.07 | SpeedEvil | Today I've used it for logging my journey to the dump. |
| 16:37.10 | torpor | like, zic or whatever it was called for the zaurus |
| 16:37.10 | Elrond | hhf423_w - a) Yes, using proprietary tools, which nobody officialy has. b) Some few stuff with home grown tools. |
| 16:37.18 | Shoragan | alphaone and myself will be at the mrmcd this weekend |
| 16:37.31 | SpeedEvil | I will now enter this information into openstreetmap. |
| 16:37.58 | Elrond | Shoragan - mrmcd? |
| 16:38.05 | hhf423_w | Elrond: anything I could find somewhere and install? |
| 16:38.21 | Shoragan | http://mrmcd110b.metarheinmain.de/ |
| 16:38.37 | SpeedEvil | hhf423_w: the version of gllin should be released really soon now. |
| 16:38.42 | Elrond | hhf423_w - Nothing that will make you happy. |
| 16:38.44 | SpeedEvil | really really soon now. |
| 16:38.55 | SpeedEvil | according to comments earlier today |
| 16:39.02 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Ahh. |
| 16:39.08 | hhf423_w | Elrond: you overestimate what makes me happy :-) |
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| 16:39.48 | Elrond | hhf423_w - I really should convert my pygtk based topols to something publishable... |
| 16:40.09 | Elrond | But I really,really have different jobs... |
| 16:40.49 | hhf423_w | Elrond: can you not put a tarball somewhere and we try to figure it out? |
| 16:40.55 | Shoragan | Elrond, there will be a talk about openmoko at the mrmcd |
| 16:41.17 | hhf423_w | Elrond: I already have pvgtk on my neo |
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| 16:42.18 | hhf423_w | s/pvgtk/pygtk |
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| 16:42.35 | Elrond | Shoragan - Huh, it's _here_ in Darmstadt?! |
| 16:42.39 | Shoragan | yes! |
| 16:43.02 | Shoragan | so it thought you might be there |
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| 16:43.54 | Elrond | *biggrin* "Piloty Gebäude" <-- That's the next building. ;o) I'm <300m away NOW. ;o) |
| 16:44.02 | Shoragan | :) |
| 16:44.41 | Elrond | Huh, 17Eur?! |
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| 16:46.07 | Elrond | Shoragan - How's also comming? |
| 16:46.30 | Shoragan | Who? alphaone is coming with me |
| 16:46.42 | Elrond | s/How/Who |
| 16:46.55 | Elrond | Ahh, nice. :-) |
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| 16:48.02 | Elrond | Shoragan - I don't see a fixed program schedule... and at the weekend I really have different things to do. |
| 16:48.26 | Shoragan | https://mrmcd110b.metarheinmain.de/fahrplan/index.en.html |
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| 16:51.03 | Elrond | Shoragan - Ahh. Hmm. Sounds interesting... I just have other things to do this weekend. |
| 16:51.15 | Shoragan | :/ |
| 16:51.18 | Elrond | Shoragan - But we can meet up on friday. :) |
| 16:51.51 | Elrond | Shoragan - And if you don't have a cardiac pacemaker ("Herzschrittmacher"), I can show you, where I work. ;o) |
| 16:52.38 | Shoragan | we'll be there at about 16:00, maybe a bit earlier |
| 16:55.29 | Elrond | Hmm, looking at the schedule, "ixs" is also there?! |
| 16:55.49 | ixs | Elrond: jupp |
| 16:55.53 | tuukkah | how did this happen, i though i was upgrading uboot but the version number is now *lower* |
| 16:56.10 | ixs | Elrond: I'm note exactly sure yet however if I'll be there on fri or thu |
| 16:56.29 | tuukkah | the phone shipped with 1.2.0-moko9_r8, 2007.8 snapshot is U-Boot 1.2.0-moko9_r0 |
| 16:56.50 | ixs | ohh btw: anything special I should mention during the talk? |
| 16:58.54 | SpeedEvil | Don't mention the death-ray. |
| 16:59.01 | edistar | what is the resolution of the neo1973? |
| 16:59.08 | SpeedEvil | 480*640 |
| 16:59.19 | edistar | thx |
| 16:59.19 | SpeedEvil | 2.8" |
| 16:59.20 | edistar | vga? |
| 16:59.26 | SpeedEvil | sideways, yes |
| 16:59.33 | edistar | ok |
| 16:59.51 | ixs | SpeedEvil: check, no mentioning of the death ray. |
| 17:00.10 | ixs | orbital laser codenamed gta02 is also off-limits, right? |
| 17:00.55 | Elrond | ixs - And if non-nerds are there, don't tell those, that they could write programs for the neo. That's the ultimate way to piss them off. ;o) |
| 17:01.50 | ixs | Elrond: no no, don't worry. Programming the neo is just for nerds. |
| 17:01.50 | ixs | and sadly, this is probably not even a lie. |
| 17:01.50 | ixs | :) |
| 17:02.23 | CM | ixs: Send them to http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_nt2.php first ;) |
| 17:02.48 | ScaredyCat | meep |
| 17:02.54 | Sup3rkiddo | aaargh....i was trying hard not to wander off from work |
| 17:03.00 | CM | Hehe |
| 17:03.53 | hhf423_w | hmm |
| 17:04.25 | hhf423_w | ooh, a new image on buildhost |
| 17:04.55 | CM | hhf423_w: Just flashed the image I built today, works better than yesterdays image, but I still can't call with it |
| 17:05.12 | hhf423_w | CM: no calls at all? |
| 17:05.40 | Elrond | Okay, heading home now. |
| 17:06.20 | CM | hhf423_w: Just ssh:ed in, seems like starting gsmd killed it completely |
| 17:06.25 | CM | It just locked up :( |
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| 17:08.10 | hhf423_w | CM: you did do the uboot variables think, yes? |
| 17:08.10 | tuukkah | CM, still #788? |
| 17:09.09 | CM | No, didn't touch the uboot variables |
| 17:09.23 | hhf423_w | Cm then you should probably do that |
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| 17:10.00 | hhf423_w | CM: remove "console=ttySAC0,115200" from bootargs_base |
| 17:10.22 | CM | Ok, I'll try that later :) |
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| 17:11.55 | tuukkah | actually #788 seems to have a new workaround now, stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 -crtscts in the gsmd init script |
| 17:11.58 | mwester | CM: or just edit the /etc/init.d/gsmd file to reset the flow control (see script attached to the bug report). |
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| 17:12.18 | mwester | oops, simultaneous typing. |
| 17:12.33 | tuukkah | mwester, cool finding, how did you figure that about? |
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| 17:13.58 | CM | mwester: I was just looking at 788, nice fix from you :) |
| 17:14.58 | tuukkah | mwester, i wonder if the call on start should rather be crtscts than -crtscts? |
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| 17:16.22 | tuukkah | or rather, set hardware flow control after the modem is powered up |
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| 17:17.57 | ScaredyCat | CM: that was happening to me |
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| 17:18.33 | berkus | folks. i've put an order on direct.openmoko.com, i got an automated reply but what about the order acceptance? how big are processing queues etc. is it reasonable to wait or i should just cancel and order a v4 board (if the current will not be delivered any time soon anyway)? |
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| 17:19.43 | Ghiottone | hi all |
| 17:19.52 | aloril | v4 board? |
| 17:20.09 | Ghiottone | rwhitby, are you here? |
| 17:20.33 | mwester | tuukkah: gsmd sets the flow control itself, so it is only necessary to reset it (which is "-crtscts" to disable). |
| 17:21.03 | tuukkah | mwester, what about some other app for example if we want to echo "AT@POFF" |
| 17:21.12 | aloril | berkus: its GTA01B_v04 (what you ordered) vs GTA02v[234] which nobody knows when it will be available, guesses are from 1 month to several months |
| 17:21.49 | aloril | and guessing includes openmoko people too ;-) |
| 17:21.53 | mwester | Yep, that's a problem. That's why I proposed that the real solution might be to have the gsm switching code in the kernel enable/disable flow control and speed. |
| 17:22.27 | mwester | I've started to look at doing so, it's a bit complicated to get the tty structures, but it should be possible. |
| 17:22.31 | tuukkah | mwester, right |
| 17:23.04 | Ghiottone | mwester, maybe a save/restore of the state might be the simpler solution |
| 17:23.45 | Ghiottone | mwester, as just save the status of the serial port at initialization of gsm chip and restore this state at poweroff |
| 17:25.09 | berkus | aloril: ahkay. is there estimation on how much it will take to process the order and ship it? from 1 to several months as well? |
| 17:25.32 | aloril | late this month maybe, I don't know |
| 17:26.12 | aloril | see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 17:28.04 | aloril | my guess is that delivery_time(GTA02) - delivery_time(GTA01) > 1 month, maybe > 2 months or even more |
| 17:28.24 | hhf423_w | berkus: I would guess that if the order stack is not too big, you will get the neo at the end of the month |
| 17:28.47 | berkus | hhf423_w: that is good news or bad news, depending on the size of the order stack :) |
| 17:28.50 | Ghiottone | hey hhf423_w |
| 17:29.22 | berkus | aloril: shall i put myself into the P1_Owners list too? |
| 17:29.49 | aloril | berkus: if you want (it helps others to estimate) |
| 17:30.38 | berkus | aloril: the table is sorted on order number, right? |
| 17:30.51 | aloril | yes |
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| 17:32.08 | hhf423_w | hi Ghiottone |
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| 17:32.29 | roh | hey guys |
| 17:32.54 | aloril | hi roh |
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| 17:33.49 | Ghiottone | hi roh |
| 17:34.01 | roh | i have some news for you.. the next shipment gta01 is on the way. |
| 17:34.12 | aloril | cool |
| 17:34.42 | roh | when we are lucky they will leave china end of this or next week. depends... |
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| 17:34.59 | aloril | roh: enough to fill all current orders? |
| 17:35.12 | roh | i think so.. at least ive not heard otherwise |
| 17:35.31 | aloril | berkus: see above lines for answer to your earlier question |
| 17:35.42 | xkr47 | roh, seems to be on schedule with the openmoko shop :) |
| 17:36.48 | torpor | like, zic or whatever it was called for the zaurus |
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| 17:39.01 | roh | xkr47 not completely., but were close *cough* ;) |
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| 17:39.50 | roh | just snafu |
| 17:40.35 | berkus | yay hurray |
| 17:40.35 | hhf423_w | hi roh |
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| 17:41.33 | hhf423_w | roh, can you find out if all current orders can be fullfilled? |
| 17:43.05 | Ghiottone | what is the most stable u-boot version? I still have that one I found in the device and I am without a debug board |
| 17:45.30 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: take the august 19 one |
| 17:45.54 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/ |
| 17:46.45 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: this is known good, fixes the issue so that nand erase is never necessary and so one, the risk that you will break your neo is relatively low |
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| 17:47.11 | Ghiottone | hhf423, thank you |
| 17:48.02 | Ghiottone | an md5 sum of that file would be very appreciated, as it is critical for my phone |
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| 17:48.46 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: and then I recommand that you set 'setenv boot_menu_timeout 65000' and 'saveenv' in uboot so that you do not have to press AUX all the time when in uboot |
| 17:49.29 | Ghiottone | hhf423, oh I though that this fix was automatic. thanks again. could you provide me an md5sum of it? |
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| 17:51.45 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: I can download it and give an MD5 if you do not trust your internet connection |
| 17:52.47 | Ghiottone | hhf423, that would be appreciated. bricking my neo is the last thing I want to happen |
| 17:53.06 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: 07023c3d4c98b783d2492a369afaef6e *u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6+svn20070819-r0.bin |
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| 17:53.30 | edistar | can someone help me? I am trying to compile an openmoko-devel-image for x86 and I get the following error: http://nopaste.org/p/aVVYEBrYlb |
| 17:53.52 | Ghiottone | hhf423, matches. thanks a lot! |
| 17:56.09 | edistar | do I need gnu java? |
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| 18:01.41 | aloril | Ghiottone: tell here how it goes? |
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| 18:04.46 | Ghiottone | done. no errors. waiting 10 secs without battery to restart... |
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| 18:05.49 | Ghiottone | uff it's booting :) |
| 18:06.47 | aloril | good |
| 18:08.45 | El_Salvador[Away | http://www.deeda.com/index.php |
| 18:08.46 | El_Salvador[Away | lol |
| 18:09.22 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[P1_Owners]] [[User:Dirt_Bikes]] [[User:Crazycoyote]] |
| 18:10.08 | PBeck | how is the internal flash for uboot in gta02 save? |
| 18:11.14 | SpeedEvil | save? |
| 18:11.51 | cb22 | PBeck, are you talking about the anti-bricking uboot? |
| 18:12.16 | PBeck | yes |
| 18:12.42 | PBeck | ian stirling has send a email to thread Neo Base/Advanced |
| 18:12.47 | hhf423 | El_Salvador[Away: whats that? |
| 18:12.49 | PBeck | +the |
| 18:13.04 | roh | PBeck there is no write enable line to the app-cpu. the line is only on the debug-connector |
| 18:13.40 | Writchie | PBeck: don't listen to Ian Stirling - SpeedEvil knows more ;) |
| 18:13.47 | PBeck | roh: so is the neo indestructibly? |
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| 18:14.03 | PBeck | Writchie: Ian is Speedevil? |
| 18:14.06 | roh | at least by the people who do not solder or own a debug board |
| 18:14.09 | El_Salvador[Away | <hhf423> El_Salvador[Away: whats that? |
| 18:14.13 | El_Salvador[Away | some linux devices |
| 18:14.17 | PBeck | roh: great :D |
| 18:15.00 | hhf423 | El_Salvador[Away: look good, but not available, yet, no? |
| 18:15.10 | cb22 | and if you own a debug board, you can unbrick it anyways |
| 18:15.24 | PBeck | roh: i cant wait to get a gta02 in my hands ;) |
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| 18:15.30 | Writchie | roh: another flash? |
| 18:15.34 | cb22 | PBeck, +1 :) |
| 18:15.40 | PBeck | cb22: :D |
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| 18:16.27 | Writchie | PBeck: AFIK |
| 18:16.35 | roh | Writchie ack. |
| 18:17.03 | Writchie | roh: still reachable through jtag? |
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| 18:17.25 | roh | Writchie of course. |
| 18:19.10 | Writchie | roh: Please try to get a real Ethernet address assigned to each device - would be nice also to have a block that maps from GTA01 serial numbers to MAC Addresses in a block owned by FIC |
| 18:20.09 | hhf423 | is there actually a USB ethernet card that the neo would recognize if attached to aactive hub? |
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| 18:20.23 | hhf423 | ah, no, USB host is still broken, no? |
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| 18:22.13 | Writchie | mjr: BT mac is in use - you would have two MAC layer devices with same address. Getting MAC addresses correct is pretty important for layer 2 bridging and routing |
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| 18:22.59 | roh | Writchie the ethernet-addresses are planned afaik |
| 18:23.10 | Writchie | roh: tx |
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| 18:24.37 | edistar | can someone help me now? :P http://nopaste.org/p/aVVYEBrYlb |
| 18:25.06 | hhf423 | awww, crap, no top meanu |
| 18:26.05 | Writchie | edistar: wtf? |
| 18:26.10 | hhf423 | with each passing day, I find it less accepptable that noone from openmoko works on gsmd |
| 18:26.57 | edistar | Writchie: trying to compile openmoko-devel-image for x86 |
| 18:27.05 | edistar | Writchie: doesn't seem to work |
| 18:27.11 | hhf423 | a phone where you have to pull the battery three time a day just to keep it working |
| 18:27.38 | hhf423 | why does it come with a back cover anyway? |
| 18:27.46 | sandos | hhf423: I _think_ it has been stated the phone is not useable yet =) |
| 18:27.56 | Elrond | roh - But u-boot can update itself? |
| 18:28.08 | sandos | like, on the order page, on the neo1973 wiki page.. and so on. :) |
| 18:28.35 | Writchie | edistar: what is the eclipse stuff doing there? |
| 18:28.44 | edistar | Writchie: no idea, that is the problem |
| 18:28.57 | Writchie | what's your system |
| 18:29.09 | roh | Elrond yes. in the nand flash |
| 18:29.14 | Elrond | hhf423 - I only needed to pull the battery <10 times, since I have it (a few months) |
| 18:29.19 | edistar | Writchie: eclipse is not installed |
| 18:29.35 | Elrond | roh - Huh? Two uboots, or what? |
| 18:29.43 | roh | Elrond the one in the nor flash which is only for emergency flashing is not writable without the debug board |
| 18:29.44 | hhf423 | sandos: its totally, utterly, not usable, yes |
| 18:30.18 | roh | Elrond at least thats how i understood it |
| 18:30.23 | edistar | Writchie: do I need to compile java source at all anyway? |
| 18:30.36 | Writchie | editstar: not AFAIK |
| 18:30.40 | Elrond | roh - the nor flash is never writable, not even to u-boot at startup? |
| 18:30.53 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 18:30.59 | roh | Elrond not without debug board. |
| 18:31.06 | Elrond | Okay. |
| 18:31.06 | SpeedEvil | write is only enableable with the debug board |
| 18:31.07 | edistar | Writchie: I was wondering what java was doing in openmoko.. |
| 18:31.07 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 18:31.29 | Elrond | So the nor-flash uboot loads the nand uboot? |
| 18:31.52 | roh | Elrond on normal booting the nor flash is not used at all. |
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| 18:32.13 | hhf423 | sandos: or better: it is _still_ not usable in any way. And noone is working on the key broken parts. Thats not on the website or is it? |
| 18:32.22 | Elrond | roh - Ahh. How does one get it to use the nor one? |
| 18:32.34 | Writchie | roh: that's good, because the first sector is tied to resume |
| 18:32.46 | roh | Elrond power on with special key combo |
| 18:33.23 | Writchie | roh: one of the four combinations or a new switch? |
| 18:33.26 | SpeedEvil | Is it the springboard(?) ROM that does this? |
| 18:33.33 | Elrond | roh - Ahh, okay. That all sounds way nicer. That way even I can try uboot updatws. :) |
| 18:33.52 | SpeedEvil | picking which uboot based on button |
| 18:34.01 | roh | Writchie no case-changes so no new switch. i do not know any more details myself yet |
| 18:34.06 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: you mean Steppingstone? or this there something else |
| 18:34.09 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:34.14 | SpeedEvil | that's it. |
| 18:34.38 | roh | Elrond ack. if you don't own the debugboard you cannot kill it anymore |
| 18:34.52 | Writchie | IIRC there are some hardware bits that set whether it boots from steppingstone, nor flash, or serial |
| 18:35.13 | Writchie | roh: In theory? |
| 18:35.25 | roh | ? |
| 18:35.37 | Elrond | roh - And if you have the debuboard, you can revive it, anyways. |
| 18:35.52 | roh | Elrond exactly |
| 18:36.12 | Elrond | Very nice. |
| 18:36.23 | cb22 | how does it use it though? |
| 18:36.28 | Ghiottone | that's a great feature |
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| 18:36.34 | Writchie | roh: generally there are some ways to get to the flash anyway, also possibility of doing this accidently would be very remote |
| 18:36.42 | cb22 | does it always go NOR -> NAND, or NAND directly and when there is an issue use NOR? |
| 18:37.04 | roh | Writchie without hardware manipulations there is no way i can think of. |
| 18:37.09 | Elrond | Writchie - If the write enable line has no way to the CPU, you're "lost" ;) |
| 18:37.39 | Elrond | cb22 - issue := "user presses some key combo" ;o) |
| 18:37.47 | cb22 | nice |
| 18:38.05 | Elrond | roh - Do you know, if "nand lock" would work on the gta01? |
| 18:38.29 | Elrond | roh - So to at least disable accidental writes to the uboot partition from userspace on gta01? |
| 18:38.31 | tuukkah | what's this "No providers of build target python-core" |
| 18:38.43 | roh | i dunno.. that needs to be a feature of the flash part used afaik. |
| 18:38.49 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: simple patch to the driver in theory |
| 18:39.13 | roh | even then it would be workaroundable in software |
| 18:39.23 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Yes, that's the other way. the mtd partitions in linux can be marked "no-write" :) |
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| 18:39.43 | Elrond | roh - Yes, I know, by putting HI on the reset line. |
| 18:40.01 | Elrond | Unless the reset-line isn't connected to the main cpu. |
| 18:40.03 | edistar | Writchie: I deinstalled an eclipse lib, now it works.. strange;) |
| 18:41.20 | Elrond | nand can be used in a lockout meachinism. Where uboot (well, anything in on the main cpu) can configure the parts of nand, which are locked, and then lock-hard the thing, so that only power cycling can reenable writing. |
| 18:41.59 | Writchie | editstar: must have picked up wrong compiler - my build still borked since last night - looks like some locale issue |
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| 18:43.36 | Writchie | Elrond: you mean a boot block? |
| 18:43.54 | Elrond | Writchie - Hmm? |
| 18:44.04 | Elrond | roh - So gta02 will have a new debugboard? |
| 18:44.13 | Writchie | v3 - already announced |
| 18:44.28 | Elrond | Ahh, okay. |
| 18:44.29 | Writchie | and in production I thought |
| 18:44.43 | Elrond | And v3 is also useable with the gta01 |
| 18:44.50 | Writchie | me thinks not |
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| 18:45.33 | Elrond | Anyway. Getting food. |
| 18:46.14 | edistar | Elrond: guten appetit |
| 18:46.15 | roh | Elrond V3 should be compatible with gta01 and 02 i think |
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| 18:46.30 | roh | atleast ive seen nothing in the schems saying otherwise |
| 18:46.47 | Writchie | roh: elrond: that would be nice - wiki is not clear http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v3 |
| 18:47.46 | Writchie | roh: actually wiki refers to GA01/GTA02 debug connector |
| 18:47.59 | Writchie | implying it will connect to GTA01 |
| 18:48.14 | Writchie | we're worse than little old ladies |
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| 18:48.29 | roh | Writchie the debug connector will stay the same |
| 18:48.50 | roh | atleast for gta02. there is always room for improvement. |
| 18:49.46 | roh | hm.. the v3 page of the wiki looks quite copy and paste from v2 |
| 18:50.26 | Writchie | roh: hmmm - I already have a 10 pin header |
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| 18:51.45 | roh | yep.. and the spi, i2c and gpio/irq pins will be added on v3. these are on the debug port coming from the phone |
| 18:52.00 | roh | v3 is like a improved v2. |
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| 18:52.30 | Writchie | roh: or what v2 was intended to be ;) |
| 18:52.54 | hhf423 | hmm, now the top menau is gone for good and will now show up anymore |
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| 18:56.19 | roh | Writchie actually i thinkg v2 was needed to evaluate if it works at all after so much changes.. but there was no time/manpower to revise it again earlier.. anyhow.. v2 works pretty well most of the time for the bugs it has |
| 18:57.14 | hhf423 | ok, the /etc/init.d/gsmd stop; /etc/init.d/gsmd start hack in in /etc/matchbox/session is still required, otherwise the top menu bar does not show up |
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| 18:57.46 | Writchie | roh: understand - its all what's expected at this point |
| 18:57.48 | Ghiottone | speaking about NAND, I saw yaffs being committed into oe. Will gta02 have yaffs instead of jffs? |
| 18:57.48 | ZS-Man | Hi |
| 18:58.06 | Writchie | roh: i'm actually very impressed by the stability of the hardware |
| 18:58.21 | SpeedEvil | Mine falls over all the time in the car. |
| 18:58.25 | SpeedEvil | It's the rounded ends. |
| 18:58.49 | ZS-Man | where I can change font size? any config file? |
| 18:58.49 | aloril | ZS-Man: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:59.12 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: a bit too rounded for my taste - but it does fit rather nice in my big hands |
| 18:59.21 | hhf423 | ZS-Man: which font? |
| 18:59.24 | SpeedEvil | It works well for me too. |
| 18:59.53 | ZS-Man | font in GUI |
| 19:00.30 | edistar | how long does it take to compile the openmoko-devel-image for x86 on a 3800+ x2? |
| 19:00.52 | ZS-Man | I use QVGA theme on A780 |
| 19:01.16 | Writchie | edistar: overnight from scratch |
| 19:02.43 | edistar | Writchie: ok, I'll let it run till tomorrow evening |
| 19:02.48 | roh | edistar dunno.. for arm its about 300 mins with preheated cache (bb parsing done once) and all sources fetched |
| 19:02.51 | Writchie | Ghiottone: there is a new approach to handling flash bad blocks in the kernel |
| 19:03.03 | edistar | roh: thx |
| 19:03.35 | roh | Ghiottone yaffs is beeing evaluated and afaik there was also something with badblocks and blocksize which made this interresting. |
| 19:04.34 | Ghiottone | roh, I read that it is better than jffs2 with nand size > 64MB. As gta02 will have 128MB I thought that it could fit. |
| 19:05.01 | roh | edistar atleast thats the values on a c2d t7600 with 2g ram |
| 19:05.06 | Ghiottone | roh, I was wondering if there was some advantage with 64MB (gta01) as well. if there are, I'd like to help experimenting |
| 19:05.22 | Ghiottone | Writchie, what's the change? |
| 19:05.57 | Writchie | Ghiottone: the bad block and load leveling is moved to a new layer |
| 19:06.06 | Writchie | and file systems are implemented above that |
| 19:06.06 | roh | Ghiottone feel free. thats what its all about ;) playing around with technology and learning something. and have the freedom to try it out without asking someone for allowance |
| 19:06.32 | Writchie | load leveling works across the entire device |
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| 19:08.26 | Ghiottone | Writchie, so as partitions? |
| 19:08.43 | Ghiottone | Writchie, while the actual situation is that fs has to take care of levelin? |
| 19:08.46 | Writchie | partitioning becomes dynamic |
| 19:09.43 | Writchie | the new layer handled bad blocks and load leveling releiving the file system from this |
| 19:10.34 | Ghiottone | Writchie, nice. I think I'll try to create a yaffs image then :) |
| 19:10.51 | Writchie | sorry - got to run for an hour |
| 19:10.55 | Ghiottone | Writchie, oh and thanks :) |
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| 19:16.18 | hhf423 | kristian-m: I think settingsgui does no longer work after the libmokogsmd changes from yesterday |
| 19:19.32 | hhf423 | kristian-m: I can only talk to gsmd after a termination and then it only gets to registration. Somehow the PIN is not asked for and it does not get to connected |
| 19:20.24 | holycow | is the consumer version of moko on sale yet? |
| 19:20.30 | Fatal | nope |
| 19:20.35 | holycow | october? |
| 19:20.42 | Fatal | nope, december |
| 19:20.44 | hhf423 | holycow: very unlikely |
| 19:20.47 | holycow | aha okay |
| 19:20.48 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 19:20.50 | holycow | danke |
| 19:21.02 | hhf423 | da nicht für :-) |
| 19:21.07 | Fatal | ScaredyCat: :( |
| 19:21.10 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: oh |
| 19:21.13 | holycow | sorry to hear ScaredyCat |
| 19:21.23 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: did they steal the neo? |
| 19:21.27 | ScaredyCat | glass everywhere |
| 19:21.37 | ScaredyCat | no, didn't get it.. got the tom tom |
| 19:22.11 | ScaredyCat | litterally just got back, wnet into the house with some stuff and bang bang bang smash rip |
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| 19:22.34 | hhf423 | probably someone who needed the money urgently |
| 19:22.51 | hhf423 | like a windows user who wants to upgrade to vista |
| 19:23.10 | holycow | heh |
| 19:23.18 | holycow | those guys are usually downgrading |
| 19:23.23 | holycow | THATS why he needed the money |
| 19:24.38 | Ghiottone | ScaredyCat, pity to hear that :( |
| 19:26.16 | holycow | luckily you didn't have a laptop in there right? |
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| 19:28.25 | hhf423 | kristian-m: then again, it just worked after stopping x, stopping gsmd, starting gsmd and starting x and settingsgui |
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| 19:31.53 | josch_ | while compiling binutils (all packages before compiled just fine) I got this error: "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables" - after some research in the configure.log I found out this: "arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: No such file or directory" what's my problem? |
| 19:32.12 | hozer | has anyone see this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6987784.stm |
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| 19:35.01 | hhf423 | hozer: no, interesting, thanks |
| 19:35.49 | hozer | I wonder if one could do that with the moko wifi.. |
| 19:36.02 | hozer | range wouldn't be that long, but it'd be quite interesting |
| 19:36.10 | hhf423 | hozer: besides the issue of determining which frequency to use to not disturb nearby "ad hoc cells", that is not impossible |
| 19:36.19 | hozer | err, I mean neo wifi |
| 19:36.30 | hhf423 | hozer: sure, wifi comes with ad hoc (peer to peer) networking |
| 19:37.02 | hhf423 | hozer: the range is a lot less than GSM900 tho |
| 19:38.00 | hhf423 | hozer: wifi only has a radius of 300m or so, depending on environment |
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| 19:58.35 | Writchie | Ghiottone: ping |
| 19:58.44 | Ghiottone | Writchie, pong |
| 19:59.23 | Writchie | the new layer is called UBI - more on it is here -> http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/ubi.html |
| 20:00.25 | Ghiottone | Writchie, thanks! |
| 20:01.08 | Ghiottone | Writchie, it does not talk about yaffs. does it mean that they are two separate and unrelated projects? |
| 20:01.32 | Writchie | yes - you can run jff2 or yaffs on top of UBI |
| 20:02.13 | Writchie | eventually there will be a new journalling flash FS on top of UBI |
| 20:02.22 | Writchie | that reflects the refactoring |
| 20:03.26 | Writchie | I think the primary point is that load leveling and bad block handling are device level functions and not really at the filesystem level. |
| 20:03.29 | Ghiottone | mmm can I use UBI only on one partition? |
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| 20:04.11 | Ghiottone | so that we could use fs such as ext2 with UBI and get wear leveling features |
| 20:04.14 | Ghiottone | ? |
| 20:04.34 | Writchie | not really - you still need a journaling fs designed for flash |
| 20:04.57 | Writchie | but the fs concentrates on fs issues and not bad blocks and load leveling. |
| 20:05.31 | Writchie | in principle, you could use ext2 of vfat |
| 20:05.38 | Writchie | and you be similar to an SD card |
| 20:05.40 | Ghiottone | Writchie, oh I see. there is also a faq entry with this question |
| 20:06.00 | Writchie | with internal bad block and load leveling |
| 20:06.16 | Ghiottone | should we use a flash fs on the SD card too? or does its hardware already take care of that |
| 20:06.28 | Writchie | hardware takes care of it |
| 20:06.34 | Ghiottone | oh great. |
| 20:06.51 | Writchie | however, recovery under all power fail conditions is problematic |
| 20:07.08 | Writchie | but its no real problem with removable - just get another media |
| 20:07.38 | Ghiottone | do you think I can use mtd on a single partition? as I don't have a debug board I fear I could brick my device if something gets wrong |
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| 20:08.42 | Writchie | Ghiottone: this is really low level work requiring a new debug board - but on GTA02 it will be possible without debug board. |
| 20:09.43 | Writchie | unless the core team recognizes UBI, there might be some problems when the NOR u-boot |
| 20:09.52 | Ghiottone | Writchie, damn. I really hoped I could experiment with it! |
| 20:09.58 | Writchie | openmoko at present uses an ad-hoc bad boot scheme |
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| 20:10.16 | Matyo | Pls click on him afterwards you may quit: |
| 20:10.17 | Matyo | http://www.nicefaces.eu/?link=select&id=1896&voks=10 |
| 20:10.35 | Writchie | Ghiottone: you don't want to loose the factory bad block information. |
| 20:11.06 | Ghiottone | Writchie, well I think not. |
| 20:11.08 | Writchie | you need to understand the bad block scheme and the oob data before getting too deep into it. |
| 20:11.18 | Ghiottone | Writchie, mmm I see |
| 20:11.41 | Ghiottone | Writchie, it seems that I'll need to wait gta02 (if I will ever have it) |
| 20:11.56 | Matyo | Pls click on him afterwards you may quit: |
| 20:11.56 | Matyo | http://www.nicefaces.eu/?link=select&id=1896&voks=10 |
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| 20:12.33 | El_Salvador | spammer.... |
| 20:12.47 | Ghiottone | Writchie, many thanks for your time and for the infos, anyway! |
| 20:13.16 | Writchie | Ghiottone: np |
| 20:13.48 | Writchie | Ghiottone: there are simulators you can play with that include OOB |
| 20:14.03 | Ghiottone | Writchie, yeah I read on the site |
| 20:14.28 | Ghiottone | Writchie, but I fear that I might accidentally flash something into the real device |
| 20:14.48 | Writchie | you can use them on a desktop system |
| 20:15.11 | Ghiottone | Writchie, mmm something like a ram disk you mean? |
| 20:15.18 | Writchie | yes |
| 20:15.34 | Writchie | nandsim simulates NAND flash in RAM |
| 20:15.54 | Writchie | you have plenty of RAM in the NEO |
| 20:16.06 | Ghiottone | Writchie, mmmm |
| 20:16.12 | Writchie | and the desktop is basically unlimited |
| 20:16.24 | Ghiottone | Writchie, you mean to simulate it directly on the neo? |
| 20:16.57 | Writchie | yes |
| 20:17.03 | Writchie | but i'd play first on the desktop |
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| 20:17.29 | Ghiottone | that's for sure |
| 20:17.59 | Ghiottone | but if OM has to boot from an UBI device it cannot be loaded as a module |
| 20:18.23 | Ghiottone | so I would need a slightly different configuration |
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| 20:18.57 | Writchie | you can dedicated a portion of the device to the bootloader and this could include the kernel image |
| 20:19.16 | Writchie | u-boot wouldn't have to know about the UBI |
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| 20:19.42 | Writchie | at present, u-boot skips bad blocks |
| 20:19.57 | Writchie | as does the loader code at the start of u-boot |
| 20:20.13 | Writchie | only the first block is quaranteed good for 1000 or so writes |
| 20:21.09 | Writchie | as long as the u-boot in NOR flash skips bad blocks, which the present code does now, we should be ok |
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| 20:22.16 | Ghiottone | mwester, the first block is written only on u-boot flash I think. If I got it right, it is the first block of the flash memory |
| 20:22.55 | Ghiottone | Writchie, could I add a second kernel to the boot menu? |
| 20:23.21 | Writchie | i'm not sure - i think so - or you can boot from SD |
| 20:24.32 | Writchie | there is only one partition name kernel |
| 20:24.58 | Ghiottone | from SD could work |
| 20:25.07 | Ghiottone | I'll have to try that |
| 20:25.14 | Ghiottone | thank you! |
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| 20:36.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2955 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): |
| 20:36.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (main): Remove disabling of focus on the notebook tabs to |
| 20:36.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: try and fix bugs 723 and 724 |
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| 20:46.57 | juri_ | death to windows printing. |
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| 20:55.26 | duffyd | hi, I'm coming in as a real n00b here (feels awfully strange yet familiar :-P and was wondering which rootfs & kernel images are the latest stable ones? |
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| 20:57.06 | Ghiottone | duffyd, http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/ |
| 20:57.54 | duffyd | Ghiottone: thanks. So are those stable (as in tested)? |
| 20:57.58 | Ghiottone | duffyd, I would start from those here (take only kernel and rootfs) and then go for ipkg update && ipkg upgrade |
| 20:58.52 | duffyd | k, ta |
| 20:58.53 | Elrond | How does this commit (in the 2.6.23 stream) relate to the neo? http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=3fc154b6b8134b98bb94d60cad9a46ec1ffbe372 |
| 20:58.53 | Ghiottone | duffyd, well, a bit more tested than the others. there is no stable version yet. software is still changing fast |
| 20:58.53 | duffyd | Ghiottone: I seem to remember an email on the community list stating some hoops you have to jump through to stop the phone freezing on bootup - is that still the case? |
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| 20:59.49 | Ghiottone | duffyd, that gsmd thing? it is not fully fixed yet, although a change in boot environment helps a lot |
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| 21:00.46 | Ghiottone | duffyd, I would reccommend to get around the device a bit before facing that issue |
| 21:00.52 | duffyd | Ghiottone: ok, cool. Thanks! |
| 21:01.10 | duffyd | Ghiottone: ok. But I thought it would freeze on bootup so you couldn't "get around the device"? |
| 21:01.17 | Writchie | Elrond: I'd expect this is moving this support upstream. |
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| 21:02.03 | Ghiottone | duffyd, I started experiencing that problem more often just recently. as long as you don't do ipkg upgrade you should use the device a bit |
| 21:02.28 | duffyd | Ghiottone: ok, cool. Also, just as a _theoretical overview_ if I want to install python on the device what is the process of doing this? |
| 21:02.37 | duffyd | Ghiottone: ipkg install python2.4 ?? |
| 21:02.47 | Ghiottone | duffyd, actually it's 2.5 |
| 21:02.52 | Elrond | Writchie - Yeah, but the guy submitting it doesn't look like anyone known to openmoko?! |
| 21:03.11 | Ghiottone | duffyd, but it's best to have it install on the card |
| 21:03.22 | Ghiottone | duffyd, as rootfs has limited space |
| 21:03.25 | Writchie | Ben Dooks IIRC is the "owner" of the samsung and has been working with harald |
| 21:03.54 | Ghiottone | duffyd, you have to configure /etc/ipkg.conf for this to work. then ipkg install -d card python (or python-core, can't remember) |
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| 21:04.53 | duffyd | Ghiottone: awesome, thanks! |
| 21:05.29 | duffyd | Ghiottone: btw (sorry about the barrage of questions) but is it difficult to get the card working (i.e. formatted/recognised/etc)? |
| 21:05.34 | Elrond | Writchie|dinner - Ahh, okay. |
| 21:05.48 | Ghiottone | duffyd, if you experience frequent locks, then look around for the console=ttySAC0,115200 fix |
| 21:06.06 | Ghiottone | duffyd, that parameter has to be remove from bootup args |
| 21:06.43 | Ghiottone | duffyd, it should be already formatted (VFAT) and already mounted as you insert it |
| 21:07.18 | Ghiottone | duffyd, however if you want to install packages on it, you should format it with ext2 or a fs with permission and symlink capabilities |
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| 21:10.34 | duffyd | Ghiottone: great! Thanks. Also, I keep on reading about the 'aux' button is that the small golden button on the same side as the power button? |
| 21:11.35 | Ghiottone | duffyd, no it's on the opposite side and looks like an irda port |
| 21:11.56 | hozer | what is 'golden' port for? |
| 21:12.05 | duffyd | Ghiottone: ahhhh :-P |
| 21:12.13 | hozer | err, what is that 'golden' port for.. |
| 21:13.32 | Ghiottone | I think it is for additional antenna cable, but I'm not sure about it |
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| 21:14.45 | Ghiottone | Elrond, Writchie|dinner, is that patch the USB host mode for the Neo? |
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| 21:17.10 | pH5 | hozer: external gps antenna |
| 21:18.16 | hozer | okay |
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| 21:19.43 | duffyd | pH5: thanks! On that note, does anyone know what the latest is with the GPS - i.e. how's the deal going with the external party/supplier? |
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| 21:21.46 | Elrond | Ghiottone - No. |
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| 21:22.31 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean by that duffyd ? |
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| 21:27.57 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: LaF0rge recently mentioned that there was some FOSS incompatible deal done with Broadcom for the P1 devices (was on ML recently) |
| 21:28.39 | SpeedEvil | I think you may be conflating two things. |
| 21:29.05 | SpeedEvil | The 'can't read some SIMs' problem is possibly going to be worked on by a third party company that TI recommended. |
| 21:29.46 | SpeedEvil | The GPS hardware has a driver, which is not released at the moment, but should be really soon now. |
| 21:30.42 | tuukkah | do we have any form of gsmd/ppp multiplexing implemented? |
| 21:32.28 | SpeedEvil | Not yet. |
| 21:32.29 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: yeah I was asking 2 different questions in quick succession ;-) |
| 21:33.07 | duffyd | and wording them badly ;-) |
| 21:33.17 | SpeedEvil | Again. |
| 21:33.21 | SpeedEvil | sometime soon. |
| 21:33.24 | tuukkah | SpeedEvil, i notice the answer isn't anymore "the answer to every question about software at this point is no" =) |
| 21:33.37 | SpeedEvil | Laforge is working on GSMD |
| 21:33.49 | SpeedEvil | and doing the multiplex thingy |
| 21:34.05 | SpeedEvil | this is not ready yet. |
| 21:34.29 | tuukkah | wasn't it yesterday people were saying that no-one is working on gsmd |
| 21:34.50 | SpeedEvil | You may be thinking of gpsd? |
| 21:34.54 | Ghiottone | tuukkah, yes |
| 21:35.04 | SpeedEvil | or maybe I'm out of the loop. |
| 21:35.07 | Ghiottone | no work is being done on gsmd |
| 21:35.08 | duffyd | Ghiottone: just another quickie, is the images url you posted earlier the best place to go for new images? |
| 21:35.26 | Ghiottone | duffyd, I don't think those images will be updated soon. |
| 21:35.38 | SpeedEvil | Ghiottone: so the multiplexing work has stopped? |
| 21:35.45 | tuukkah | i've tried to keep my thoughts off gpsd for now. gsm is a priority |
| 21:35.45 | Ghiottone | duffyd, if you want to catch up with updates, it is enough to do ipkg upgrade |
| 21:36.08 | duffyd | k |
| 21:36.08 | ixs | SpeedEvil: does that mean that we'll have a working gsm phone soonish? |
| 21:36.14 | Ghiottone | SpeedEvil, sorry, I don't know anything about the multiplexing work |
| 21:36.22 | SpeedEvil | ixs: it's unrelated. |
| 21:36.40 | SpeedEvil | The GSM multiplexing work is required to get call indications when on a data call |
| 21:36.43 | ixs | SpeedEvil: uhh? So laforge is only working on the gsm/multiplexing thing? |
| 21:36.45 | SpeedEvil | The GSM multiplexing work is required to get call indications when on GPRS |
| 21:36.49 | ixs | not just gsm in general. |
| 21:37.07 | Ghiottone | actually, the fact that no one from openmoko is working on gsmd pushes the usability of the Neo more into the future |
| 21:37.36 | ixs | Ghiottone: that is not exactly true, the gsmd is seeing log messages in the commitlog. |
| 21:37.59 | tuukkah | here's what the bugzilla knows about multiplexing: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=90 |
| 21:38.29 | Ghiottone | ixs, yeah I saw the commit pass by and also the bugs. but I think that it is no major work |
| 21:39.33 | ixs | Ghiottone: you are right about there not being a concentrated effort to get gsm working on the gta01. at least not as far as I can see |
| 21:40.17 | Ghiottone | ixs, I think last work was about fixing the hangup problem of gsmd |
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| 21:40.55 | Ghiottone | I don't think it will receive new attentions until gta02 is ready |
| 21:41.14 | Ghiottone | which is a very sad thing for us gta01 buyers |
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| 21:41.36 | tuukkah | Ghiottone, it means we get to hack on it ourselves :-) |
| 21:41.41 | SpeedEvil | ˆˆIt would be nice if they'd say 'stopped work on foo' so that others could look. |
| 21:42.04 | Ghiottone | tuukkah, yeah. I think we should really do it |
| 21:42.24 | Ghiottone | SpeedEvil, yes that's what has been told to roh yesterday |
| 21:42.40 | Ghiottone | SpeedEvil, but I don't know what it answered, I was too tired |
| 21:43.33 | SpeedEvil | English needs pronouns! |
| 21:43.54 | tuukkah | 'it' should be enough for everyone :-) |
| 21:44.41 | tuukkah | (says a finn) |
| 21:45.07 | Ghiottone | s/it/he/ |
| 21:45.29 | Ghiottone | sorry |
| 21:45.36 | SpeedEvil | I don't actually know roh's gender, which is why I made the comment. |
| 21:46.05 | SpeedEvil | As in needs a pronoun for a person of unknown gender. |
| 21:46.14 | SpeedEvil | (and I know some have attempted it) |
| 21:46.32 | mjr | mostly it needs not to have something as stupid as gendered pronouns |
| 21:46.40 | mjr | (says another finn) |
| 21:46.46 | tuukkah | not necessarily unknown but irrelevant |
| 21:46.50 | Ghiottone | I see. actually Italian gives preference to male when there is uncertainity |
| 21:47.12 | tuukkah | Ghiottone, there's a view that english does too |
| 21:48.32 | tuukkah | "let's learn a language while webkit-gtk compiles" ;-) |
| 21:48.40 | Ghiottone | :) |
| 21:48.57 | Ghiottone | it seems that channel logs have some problems |
| 21:49.11 | Ghiottone | at least, today's and yesterday's are almost not existant |
| 21:51.01 | duffyd | Ghiottone: Thanks a lot - I know have a working UI/Neo! How do I know, though, if the installed kernel matches the version of the modules contained in the root image *before I install them*? |
| 21:51.48 | Ghiottone | duffyd, the installed kernel is that one you flashed on the neo with dfu-util |
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| 21:52.05 | Ghiottone | duffyd, see the version of the modules package and flash the kernel accordingly |
| 21:52.42 | Ghiottone | duffyd, at least I did this way when my neo did not load any module at all |
| 21:52.52 | Ghiottone | duffyd, after an upgrade |
| 21:54.55 | duffyd | Ghiottone: but theoretically doesn't the root image includes the /lib/modules dirs? |
| 21:55.15 | tuukkah | indeed |
| 21:55.18 | frma71 | Any news on gllin availability ? |
| 21:55.42 | tuukkah | and there can be modules tar and rootfs tar packages |
| 21:56.37 | Ghiottone | yes. the problem only happens if you upgrade to a newer kernel version |
| 21:58.32 | duffyd | Ghiottone: ahhh, ta |
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| 22:02.28 | Ghiottone | duffyd, you will probably have to reflash your kernel. I have just checked and the kernel you flashed is 2.6.21 while the most recent |
| 22:03.10 | Ghiottone | duffyd, is 2.6.22.5 So when you'll do ipkg upgrade, you will install the modules for 2.6.22.5 automatically (I think) |
| 22:04.41 | Ghiottone | duffyd, a newer kernel is automatically built every day or so here http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/ |
| 22:04.56 | Ghiottone | duffyd, but that's most unstable stuff |
| 22:05.22 | Ghiottone | duffyd, (in the sense that it is not tested) |
| 22:15.35 | LittleIdiot | hmm, strange gsmd throws "Netreg registration denied", although the pin is correct... |
| 22:15.56 | LittleIdiot | it worked with another sim card, but not with this one... |
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| 22:26.28 | duffyd | Ghiottone: thanks again :-) |
| 22:26.32 | duffyd | cu all |
| 22:28.07 | kristian-m | hi |
| 22:28.59 | Ghiottone | hey kristian-m |
| 22:29.10 | frma71 | Cool, the mediaplayer is actually working... reason enough to carry the neo around :) |
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| 22:32.04 | borg_ | frma71: can it make a playlist now too? |
| 22:32.16 | borg_ | or do i have to make in on my pc before? |
| 22:33.21 | borg_ | s/in/it/ |
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| 22:38.38 | frma71 | borg_: Yes, with the updates commited today ! |
| 22:38.43 | borg_ | cool |
| 22:38.46 | borg_ | *upgrade* :) |
| 22:40.33 | borg_ | arghh |
| 22:40.40 | borg_ | ipkg upgrade restartet gsmd |
| 22:40.42 | borg_ | damn |
| 22:41.02 | frma71 | borg_ Mine didn't work together with pulseaudio (Resource busy) at first, I needed to create a /etc/asound.conf, but I might have lost it somewhere on the way ! |
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| 22:42.55 | frma71 | Anyone tried prelink on the neo ? |
| 22:44.15 | frma71 | Is there a reson the play-button is turned backwards in openmoko-mediaplayer2 ? |
| 22:44.34 | rtm_ | Does anyone know how I may add an application to the "utilities" menu under 2007.2? |
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| 22:47.13 | frma71 | rtm_ Just put a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications |
| 22:47.32 | borg_ | mh |
| 22:47.43 | borg_ | what can i do to prevent ipkg from restarting gsmd? |
| 22:47.45 | frma71 | rtm_ Use mbinputmgr.desktop as a template ! |
| 22:47.55 | borg_ | thats an odd situation ;) |
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| 22:48.06 | rtm_ | frma71: Cool! Thanks a bunch. |
| 22:49.02 | borg_ | i cant update because restarting gsmd kills my neo :) |
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| 22:49.41 | Ghiottone | borg_, fix the kernel cmdline |
| 22:49.52 | borg_ | how, where? ;) |
| 22:49.53 | frma71 | borg_ I would guess it calls /etc/init.d/gsmd start/stop... just put an exit 0 early in that file .. |
| 22:49.54 | tuukkah | or the init script: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=788 |
| 22:50.13 | borg_ | frma71: ah ok, that will work definitly ;) |
| 22:50.34 | frma71 | borg_ remove console=/dev/tty in bootcmd_base environment variable of uboot. |
| 22:50.42 | frma71 | borg_ if I remember correctly. |
| 22:51.04 | frma71 | borg_ /dev/tty = /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 22:51.15 | tuukkah | frma71, there's a new workaround that doesn't need that change |
| 22:51.24 | adminjs | hey kloeri |
| 22:51.49 | Ghiottone | tuukkah, the new gsmd script? |
| 22:51.53 | frma71 | tuukkah: Whats that ? |
| 22:52.11 | tuukkah | bottom of the bug report, some stty lines to the init script |
| 22:52.12 | Ghiottone | tuukkah, I would better trust kernel cmdline, as gsmd could be killed or segfault |
| 22:52.35 | borg_ | where do i change the kernel cmdline? |
| 22:52.38 | tuukkah | Ghiottone, it's not about gsmd, it's about powering off the gsm chip |
| 22:53.05 | frma71 | tuukkah: Is there a better workaround then disabling the console on serial ? |
| 22:53.27 | frma71 | borg_ in uboot. |
| 22:53.43 | frma71 | borg_: with printenv/setenv |
| 22:53.45 | tuukkah | frma71, yes: disable hardware flow control before powerinf down the gsm chip |
| 22:53.46 | borg_ | ah, ok ;) |
| 22:53.57 | borg_ | i was searching for something like grub.conf :P |
| 22:54.05 | frma71 | tuukkah: Ahh, sweet. |
| 22:54.05 | tuukkah | at least that's what the bug report now says |
| 22:54.08 | mwester | The better workaround is to add the "stty" lines as outlined in the bug report for bug 788 -- the ideal solution is yet to be implemented. |
| 22:54.15 | Ghiottone | tuukkah, you mean that it works if gsmd dies too? |
| 22:54.35 | tuukkah | Ghiottone, it doesn't matter if gsmd dies |
| 22:54.37 | mwester | Ghiottone: the problem is not triggered by gsmd dying, it's triggered by the power-off of the GSM modem. |
| 22:55.15 | mwester | At present, the only places the GSM modem is powered-off is in the /etc/init.d/gsmd script. That could change, hence we need a better solution in the long term. |
| 22:55.20 | Ghiottone | which is done in the script |
| 22:55.22 | Ghiottone | I see |
| 22:55.28 | Ghiottone | so that will work |
| 22:55.35 | Ghiottone | thanks |
| 22:55.40 | mwester | :) |
| 22:56.49 | frma71 | Well, I guess most of us don't need the console on serial anyway... |
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| 23:01.36 | mwester | frma71: That is probably a true statement, but I intensely dislike the idea of giving up a console on the device. So I'll be working on a better solution, anyway. |
| 23:03.18 | borg_ | hehe, ipkg is replacing /etc/init.d/gsmd before restarting it :P |
| 23:03.53 | mwester | Oh, ouch!! |
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| 23:06.25 | borg_ | bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=ttySAC0,115200 console=tty0 loglevel=8 |
| 23:06.44 | borg_ | so i have to do setenv bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=tty0 loglevel=8 |
| 23:06.48 | borg_ | ? |
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| 23:07.14 | borg_ | i am a little bit scared of changing something in uboot ;) |
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| 23:07.38 | Marcel_M | no "=" after bootargs_base |
| 23:07.43 | borg_ | ok |
| 23:08.23 | borg_ | quit |
| 23:08.27 | borg_ | ups ;) |
| 23:10.09 | Ghiottone | borg_, try with boot before saving the environment |
| 23:10.48 | frma71 | borg_ coward :) |
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| 23:13.05 | borg_ | *reboot* |
| 23:13.25 | frma71 | Odd, I installed dillo (web browser) on my neo and that starts three times faster then any of the openmoko applications... |
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| 23:16.02 | borg_ | worked ;) |
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| 23:19.45 | jseghers_ | Hi all... |
| 23:20.35 | jseghers_ | I'm having problems with building the current version of 2007.2... openmoko-terminal2 has a dependency on "vte" which apparently doesn't exist in the build tree? |
| 23:21.36 | frma71 | jseghers_: Odd, in mine it vte does exist, but I havn't updated oe today ! |
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| 23:22.09 | tuukkah | jseghers_, i was able to get bitbake vte separatel |
| 23:22.11 | tuukkah | y |
| 23:23.15 | jseghers_ | tuukkah: hmmm yeah, I was able to build it manually, too... I wonder why it wouldn't build automatically? |
| 23:23.39 | kristian-m | jseghers_ maybe you also want to use mrxvt as openmoko-terminal2 is still experimental |
| 23:23.42 | tuukkah | jseghers_, isn't the dependency missing from the bb file? |
| 23:24.47 | jseghers_ | Actually... I think I know what the problem may have been... I was having a problem with terminal not building. And since I have parallel build options set, it's not always clear what the root failing cause is. |
| 23:25.03 | jseghers_ | So I was building one package at a time... |
| 23:25.24 | jseghers_ | Which doesn't necessarily build the dependencies... |
| 23:26.09 | jseghers_ | kristian-m: I'll try that if I can't get this to work... |
| 23:26.34 | tuukkah | build a package does build dependencies too if you use bitbake <package> |
| 23:26.57 | jseghers_ | One of the really odd things is that when I go to build openmoko-devel-image, I'm getting errors on web-kit not building... but if I build webkit directly, it builds fine. |
| 23:27.23 | tuukkah | same here |
| 23:27.48 | tuukkah | although, i had to try many times until it passed |
| 23:27.49 | jseghers_ | tuukkah: you're seeing it too with webkit? |
| 23:28.04 | tuukkah | yeah. i don't know what made it |
| 23:28.36 | frma71 | I've disabled webkit (actually the feed reader), it's not very intresting anyway ! |
| 23:28.37 | jseghers_ | I built it fine... then tried restarting the overall build and it insisted it needed to rebuild it--and failed. |
| 23:28.39 | tuukkah | could be another issue with parallel build |
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| 23:29.18 | tuukkah | frma71, is dillo more interesting? |
| 23:30.27 | ckuethe | no |
| 23:30.36 | ckuethe | dillo is kinda handy |
| 23:30.40 | ckuethe | but pretty limited |
| 23:30.59 | tuukkah | doesn't webkit come with some kind of a simple browser? |
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| 23:33.58 | frma71 | tuukkah: Don |
| 23:34.35 | frma71 | tuukkah: Don't know really, but isn't webKit in the standard build just compiled because of the dependency of openmoko-feedreader. |
| 23:35.00 | tuukkah | i suppose in time we'll have a browser based on the same engine |
| 23:36.47 | frma71 | Is webKit the engine used in safari ? |
| 23:37.11 | tuukkah | yes |
| 23:37.57 | frma71 | Hmm, webKit actually exports /usr/bin/GdkLauncher. |
| 23:38.14 | frma71 | Maybe I need to compile it anyway then... |
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| 23:46.49 | orospakr | hm, I don't suppose there will be some sort of credit against a GTA02 for folks who purchased the GTA01 dev unit? |
| 23:47.04 | orospakr | I dimly remember a post by Sean or Harald to that effect... |
| 23:47.13 | tuukkah | yeah |
| 23:47.40 | spikebike | I have a vague memory saying that any discount offered is likely to be less than what you could sell it for on ebay |
| 23:47.40 | frma71 | orospakr: I think they lowered the price of the GTA01 with $50 instead... |
| 23:47.59 | cesarb | orospakr: the "credit" is already built into GTA01's price |
| 23:48.05 | cesarb | orospakr: so they don't have to track it |
| 23:48.17 | orospakr | hm. |
| 23:48.23 | orospakr | thanks, guys. :) |
| 23:48.47 | cesarb | (I, for one, am grateful for that, since it lowered the absurdly high taxes a little bit for me) |
| 23:48.48 | orospakr | well, since my GTA01 hasn't shipped *yet*, I might just cancel the order and wait it out. |
| 23:49.11 | anrp | hopefully not too long a wait |
| 23:49.47 | frma71 | No one heard anything about gllin, I saw something like "probably/hopefully next week" here last week ! |
| 23:49.52 | tuukkah | orospakr, more gta01 is going to ship soon though |
| 23:50.11 | Maledictus | gllin? |
| 23:50.43 | frma71 | orospakr: Well, I'd wait... The software is (at least close to) miserable and the software required to use the GPS hasn't been released yet ! |
| 23:51.16 | anrp | not on purpose, at least |
| 23:51.18 | frma71 | Maledictus: The propritary software communicating with the GPS. |
| 23:51.29 | Maledictus | ah, ok |
| 23:51.40 | frma71 | ... as I understand it ! |
| 23:51.48 | Maledictus | afaik there is no plan to ever release it |
| 23:52.00 | anrp | that may be the case |
| 23:52.07 | anrp | since v02 will have a different gps altogether |
| 23:52.18 | anrp | but it would really suck if they never legally allowed v01's gps to work |
| 23:52.18 | Maledictus | hooray for that :) |
| 23:52.34 | anrp | it's not exactly cheap |
| 23:52.36 | mjr | Maledictus, shows what you know |
| 23:53.09 | Maledictus | ah sorry, with release you meant releasing the blob and not releasing it as opensource? |
| 23:53.27 | mjr | I assume as much |
| 23:53.48 | Maledictus | mjr, I was an a talk from michael lauer and he said the hope the GTA02 won't need a binary driver for the gps |
| 23:54.22 | mjr | it's taken... too much time, but at least last week still there was a Broadcom tech on the community list and mickey said he's working on an EABI version of gllin. No source, of course. |
| 23:54.56 | mjr | yeah, the last word was that they were evaluating another gps chip that does computation in firmware |
| 23:55.34 | mjr | the final gps chip decision hadn't been properly made at least last week |
| 23:56.17 | frma71 | I don't care that much about source regarding gllin as long as I get the nessecary data out of it I'd just consider it firmware running on the same CPU. |
| 23:56.41 | mjr | I care, but am willing to put up with it |
| 23:57.07 | mjr | and my gtaÂ01 will end up with my wife for some time, and she'd very much like the gps to work... |
| 23:57.35 | mjr | mwester, that crossed my mind too, but I decided not to start with that :] |
| 23:57.45 | Maledictus | what is EABI? |
| 23:58.12 | mjr | the binary interface for openmoko 2007.2 |
| 23:58.23 | Maledictus | I care very much about that special thing, as I plan to run FreeBSD on the neo. |
| 23:58.24 | Maledictus | ok |
| 23:58.38 | mwester | EABI is the mechanism for calling functions and getting return values; it is better than the predecessor, but unfortunately code compiled in the old format is not compatible. |
| 23:59.47 | mwester | Although should broadcom fail to live up to their end of the agreement, I have little doubt that somebody in this community is smart enough to write a wrapper for the old library. |
