| 00:00.25 | vallor | bootup takes a while |
| 00:03.10 | vallor | hmm, it seems to have stopped with the wm startup, thermometer full -- and plugging in usb didn't get me my usb0 ip interface |
| 00:06.39 | vallor | just rebooted w/factory resteet |
| 00:06.43 | vallor | reset |
| 00:08.26 | cesarb | vallor: you just got the bug 788 crash, probably |
| 00:08.41 | cesarb | vallor: happens all the time, and is very annoying |
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| 00:09.15 | cesarb | vallor: you can either comment out the powering off of the modem on /etc/init.d/gsmd, or go to uboot and remove the serial console from the kernel command line |
| 00:10.00 | vallor | okay -- if worse comes to worse, I can just dfu the thing all over, right? |
| 00:13.18 | technil | vallor: the root fs image and kernel, yes you can "re-dfu" them. to change the env variable that passes options to the kernel, you just need to be able to get to a uboot console |
| 00:13.56 | vallor | okay, I'm at the uboot console -- not sure how to get it to the kernel options though |
| 00:14.32 | vallor | this is uboot 1.2.0 |
| 00:14.40 | vallor | I didn't flash uboot, should I? |
| 00:16.21 | cesarb | vallor: no need to worry, we're not doing anything permanent |
| 00:16.33 | cesarb | vallor: you just have to printenv, and change one of the variables |
| 00:16.44 | cesarb | vallor: since we will not saveenv, it's not permanent |
| 00:17.05 | cesarb | vallor: you have to change (with setenv) the bootargs_default (IIRC) to remove the console=ttySAC0,115200 part |
| 00:17.20 | vallor | oh, I should connect to the serial-over-usb device to get at it? |
| 00:17.23 | cesarb | vallor: then you chose the "boot" menu option as usual |
| 00:17.26 | cesarb | vallor: yep |
| 00:17.29 | vallor | ah, k |
| 00:17.55 | rwhitby | we need a userspace u-boot environment modifier ... |
| 00:18.02 | technil | /dev/ttyACM0 i believe it shows up as |
| 00:18.02 | cesarb | vallor: if you don't saveenv, the changes disappear when you reboot, so if you get it wrong you only need to reboot... |
| 00:18.11 | vallor | k |
| 00:18.18 | cesarb | rwhitby: we already have one, in perl, in the devirginator directory of the svn repo... |
| 00:18.50 | rwhitby | I think u-boot actually has one - it's just not packaged |
| 00:19.29 | technil | vallor: make sure the device is unplugged from the usb cable when you boot into u-boot and select serial over USB |
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| 00:19.56 | roh | if you want a tested to be working-uboot... |
| 00:20.12 | vallor | okay |
| 00:20.12 | roh | http://people.openmoko.org/roh/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git20070909+svnr2943-r0.bin |
| 00:20.21 | roh | atleast it has workin acm and boots kernels |
| 00:20.48 | vallor | hmm, k |
| 00:21.06 | vallor | here's what I ended up with: |
| 00:21.09 | vallor | minicom: cannot open /dev/ttyACM0: No such file or directory |
| 00:21.16 | vallor | now I'm booting w/out usb connected |
| 00:21.52 | vallor | okay, set to usb -- now plug it in? |
| 00:21.59 | technil | yup |
| 00:22.09 | technil | then try minicom |
| 00:23.21 | vallor | dag nabbit, now the new ttyACM0 isn't showing up |
| 00:23.29 | vallor | # dmesg |
| 00:23.29 | vallor | usb 7-2.1.2: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 00:23.36 | vallor | it's okay, I'll just re-dfu it |
| 00:25.03 | technil | the kernel? |
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| 00:26.23 | vallor | that usb message came from dmesg on my workstation] |
| 00:27.21 | vallor | oh I've seen this before |
| 00:27.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] [[User:Jon_Phillips]] [[Advanced_End-user/es]] |
| 00:30.21 | vallor | okay: |
| 00:30.23 | vallor | minicom: cannot open /dev/ttyACM0: No such file or directory |
| 00:30.31 | vallor | but /dev/ttyACM0 is definitely there |
| 00:30.51 | vallor | at least I can do the dfu |
| 00:31.44 | vallor | I think I do want to change uboot -- I'm sick if hitting [aux] to keep the thing from shutting off ;P |
| 00:34.49 | vallor | got a console via the ttyACM0 !!!! |
| 00:36.20 | roh | vallor take the one i posted. at least i know it works for acm |
| 00:37.57 | vallor | setenv works... |
| 00:38.08 | vallor | okay, do I just say "boot" now? |
| 00:38.23 | vallor | setenv bootargs_base rootftype=jffs2 rot=/dev/mtdblock4 consol=tty0 logevel=8 |
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| 00:38.37 | roh | root, not rot |
| 00:38.43 | roh | also console |
| 00:38.49 | vallor | uh |
| 00:38.55 | vallor | dang |
| 00:39.03 | vallor | I did a cut-paste, didn't type it in |
| 00:39.04 | roh | thats why you should use a new uboot. the old one is eating chars on the serials/usb-acm |
| 00:39.05 | vallor | one sec |
| 00:39.17 | vallor | okay, I'll do that then |
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| 00:45.32 | vallor | okay, u-boot is on it, starting |
| 00:45.36 | vallor | ...fingers crossed... |
| 00:46.03 | roh | should be built today |
| 00:46.24 | vallor | yay, I'm on the console again |
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| 00:48.11 | vallor | booting... |
| 00:48.17 | cesarb | roh: you can always type it by hand, one character at a time... |
| 00:48.20 | rejon | ScaredyCat: you there? |
| 00:48.24 | rejon | trying out your proxy dns |
| 00:48.28 | cesarb | roh: (which is what I do) |
| 00:48.30 | rejon | got a small patch for you |
| 00:48.57 | rejon | ScaredyCat: still can't get a ping outside of my host box though using your script...tracking down |
| 00:48.59 | vallor | bootargs_base=rootfstype=jffs2 root=/dev/mtdblock4 console=tty0 loglevel=8 |
| 00:49.02 | vallor | is what it said |
| 00:49.25 | roh | cesarb that bug is fixed. with current uboot pasting should be no problem |
| 00:49.27 | vallor | it got past the thermometer -- and it's playing the startup sound |
| 00:50.05 | cesarb | roh: I will wait until the next "official" uboot snapshot, since a broken uboot would be a pain (even with the debug board nearby) |
| 00:50.25 | roh | cesarb i flashed that one myself moments ago. |
| 00:50.38 | roh | cesarb else i wouln't put it on people. |
| 00:50.57 | cesarb | roh: that's the most basic of the possible levels of testing ;-) |
| 00:51.17 | vallor | okay, I'm back in libgsm-tool -- just did "O" |
| 00:51.58 | vallor | L |
| 00:51.58 | vallor | # List operators |
| 00:52.08 | vallor | dang, that's a pain |
| 00:52.30 | vallor | maybe I won't be dialing out today ;P |
| 00:54.41 | cesarb | vallor: L only works after r for some reason |
| 00:54.51 | cesarb | vallor: and only if you actually registered to the network |
| 00:56.27 | vallor | k |
| 00:56.31 | vallor | I did "r" first |
| 00:56.38 | vallor | I might need to do something on tm's web site |
| 00:57.46 | rwhitby | rejon: which proxy dns are you referring to? |
| 00:58.06 | vallor | ''Your T-Mobile number was not found in our system. Please be sure you entered the number correctly. If you are a new customer, it can take up to 72 hours before you can register. Please try again later.'' |
| 00:58.20 | vallor | k, no phone fun for me today! hehe |
| 00:58.38 | cesarb | vallor: how did that appear on /tmp/gsm.log? |
| 00:58.44 | vallor | I'll look\ |
| 00:58.50 | cesarb | vallor: or was it a voice message? |
| 00:58.51 | rejon | rwhitby: dnrd |
| 00:58.51 | rejon | and his gta01 script |
| 01:00.19 | vallor | that was on the web site |
| 01:00.28 | rejon | rwhitby: arggggg....must be missing some setting |
| 01:00.29 | vallor | when I gave it my phone number |
| 01:00.55 | vallor | http://ponzo.net/gsm.log |
| 01:01.04 | vallor | there's the log (before gsmd croaked) |
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| 01:04.23 | cesarb | vallor: that's a common "stuck gsmd" log |
| 01:05.16 | vallor | I just checked -- the radio wasn't on (using the proc file to check for it being on) |
| 01:05.16 | vallor | I just turned it on with "echo", now trying again with "r" |
| 01:05.16 | cesarb | vallor: I've been trying to make gsmd get stuck less often... so far, it works for me on every reboot (but not on the initial boot) |
| 01:05.30 | cesarb | vallor: you have to do the 'O' even after the echo, because the echo enables only the AT interpreter part |
| 01:05.39 | vallor | oic |
| 01:06.29 | vallor | oo |
| 01:06.31 | vallor | !!! |
| 01:06.40 | vallor | EVENT: Signal Quality: 14 |
| 01:06.41 | vallor | EVENT: Signal Quality: 99 |
| 01:06.41 | vallor | EVENT: Netreg registered (home network) LocationAreaCode = 0x00CF CellID = 0x36ED |
| 01:06.41 | vallor | EVENT: Signal Quality: 12 |
| 01:06.46 | vallor | stuff is happening!!! |
| 01:06.51 | vallor | hehe |
| 01:06.57 | cesarb | vallor: that's the normal output after registering to the network |
| 01:07.24 | vallor | but "L" doesn't show anything |
| 01:07.30 | vallor | oh here it goes again: |
| 01:07.36 | cesarb | vallor: L takes some time (a few minutes) to react |
| 01:07.42 | vallor | ah, okay |
| 01:07.45 | vallor | EVENT: Netreg registered (home network) LocationAreaCode = 0x00CF CellID = 0x36F7 |
| 01:07.46 | cesarb | vallor: since it has to scan all frequencies |
| 01:08.11 | vallor | this is very exciting, I must say... |
| 01:08.48 | cesarb | vallor: I know. It also was for me when I first managed to make it answer (and later dial) |
| 01:09.01 | r3pek | :) vallor: new toy? |
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| 01:09.22 | cesarb | (of course, it should swearword work directly on first try from the GUI, with no command line hacking needed!) |
| 01:09.27 | vallor | absolutely -- if I get it to dial out, I'm going to call my biz partner and tell him his iphone sux ;P |
| 01:09.54 | vallor | ERROR reding from gsm_fd |
| 01:10.04 | vallor | shucks |
| 01:10.05 | r3pek | :( |
| 01:10.07 | vallor | gsmd quit |
| 01:11.29 | vallor | if it does it again, I'll strace it |
| 01:12.09 | vallor | # List operators |
| 01:12.10 | vallor | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.10 | vallor | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.46 | vallor | EVENT: Incoming SMS stored at location 1 |
| 01:13.40 | vallor | but the libgsm-tool is segfaulting when I try to read the sms |
| 01:14.46 | vallor | ah |
| 01:14.54 | vallor | "sr=1" is the magical incantation |
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| 01:15.08 | vallor | "Welcome to T-Mobile! To change your plan, pay your bill or check your minutes go to my.t-mobile.com. Your mobile number is 707xxxxxxx" |
| 01:15.17 | r3pek | guys is a neo actually necessary to help? |
| 01:15.45 | r3pek | i'd like helping squashing bugs and stuff.... but i don't have a neo... /yet) |
| 01:16.08 | vallor | r3pek: there is actually an emulator for qemu |
| 01:16.11 | cesarb | r3pek: you can also use the qemu |
| 01:16.25 | r3pek | that's what i'm trying to setup |
| 01:16.32 | r3pek | but it's refusing to build on amd64 :( |
| 01:16.42 | cesarb | r3pek: I'm on amd64 |
| 01:17.00 | r3pek | i suppose you're not runing gentoo are you? ;) |
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| 01:17.48 | cesarb | r3pek: no, ubuntu |
| 01:18.07 | cesarb | r3pek: the gentoo guys are the only ones who always have trouble building it |
| 01:18.39 | cesarb | r3pek: I don't think it being amd64 has anything to do with the problem... |
| 01:18.56 | r3pek | i'm having relocation problems doring compilation |
| 01:18.58 | r3pek | *during |
| 01:19.04 | r3pek | can't understand why.... :/ |
| 01:19.15 | r3pek | did you built it with gcc-4? or 3? |
| 01:19.28 | r3pek | or just apt-get?! :X |
| 01:19.57 | cesarb | r3pek: qemu automatically detects your gcc-3 compiler (except on gentoo), and uses it (you must, however, use gcc-4 for everything else, or you'll get other different funny problems) |
| 01:20.02 | jeremymc | Is direct.openmoko 's webmaster around? |
| 01:20.20 | jeremymc | I keep getting the following error when trying to order: "Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Net/UPS.pm line 240." |
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| 01:20.52 | cesarb | r3pek: the trick (on every system but gentoo) is to install both gcc-4 and gcc-3 (usually gcc-3.4), using gcc-4 by default and letting qemu automatically use gcc-3.x |
| 01:20.59 | alphaone | jeremymc: What are you trying to do? |
| 01:21.18 | r3pek | cesarb: i'll try to force it.... brb |
| 01:21.19 | roh | jeremymc you have to enter the state as 2 letter uppercase abbreviation if youre in the us or canada |
| 01:21.21 | cesarb | jeremymc: that means you didn't read the warning saying that on a few countries you must always use 2-digit abbreviations for your state |
| 01:22.05 | roh | cesarb i think its a bit too hard to find in all the informations the wiki holds |
| 01:22.24 | cesarb | roh: the warning wasn't on the order page itself? |
| 01:22.58 | cesarb | s/)// |
| 01:23.27 | jeremymc | OK. Given that provinces in Canada use 3 letters as the short form. |
| 01:24.52 | jeremymc | Thanks. There is no mention of the 2 letters on the order page. |
| 01:25.47 | vallor | btw, I clicked on the wireless antenna in matchbox, and matchbox-panel-2 died |
| 01:26.04 | cesarb | vallor: clicking on the panel usually makes it die ;-) |
| 01:26.10 | cesarb | vallor: when it doesn't die by itself |
| 01:26.10 | jeremymc | Maybe add some kind of error when it is expecting 2 letters... |
| 01:26.13 | vallor | heh, k |
| 01:28.26 | vallor | I just dialed out with libgsmd-tool 's "D" command -- worked, but there was no sound on the neo |
| 01:28.50 | r3pek | cedric: how's that? it compiled! :D |
| 01:29.14 | cesarb | vallor: you need to dial with the GUI dialer |
| 01:29.28 | vallor | k, here goes |
| 01:29.28 | cesarb | vallor: since gsmd by itself doesn't setup the sound mixer |
| 01:29.50 | cesarb | vallor: you can also setup the mixer by hand... look it up on the wiki for the correct alsa state file name |
| 01:30.17 | technil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem |
| 01:30.24 | vallor | ah, thanks |
| 01:32.40 | vallor | k, the dialer says "currently waiting for network registration" (but the gsm applet shows three bars) |
| 01:32.44 | technil | vallor: root@fic-gta01:~$ ls /etc |grep .state |
| 01:33.20 | vallor | gsmhandset.state ? |
| 01:34.16 | technil | builtin mic and speaker |
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| 01:41.37 | vallor | ah laddie, that worked! |
| 01:43.32 | vallor | okay, I can call out and take a call (but I'm doing it with libgsmd-tool) |
| 01:44.29 | vallor | is it not working for you, technil ? |
| 01:52.25 | vallor | thank you very, very much for your help, technil |
| 01:53.06 | vallor | and all you guys -- thank you over and over again :) |
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| 02:06.18 | rwhitby | vallor: if you restart gsmd in /etc/matchbox/session, you should be able to call after boot without going to the command line (assuming a recent build) |
| 02:06.59 | vallor | hmm, okay, will try |
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| 02:12.43 | vallor | hmm, seems to be stuck on reboot |
| 02:13.07 | aloril | (script) planet: Daniel Willmann: Chaos Camp buildup https://www.totalueberwachung.de/blog/articles/2007/08/03/chaos-camp-buildup Daniel Willmann: GUADEC recap https://www.totalueberwachung.de/blog/articles/2007/08/02/guadec-recap Daniel Willmann: See you at GUADEC https://www.totalueberwachung.de/blog/articles/2007/07/15/see-you-at-guadec Daniel Willmann: Can I has a Neo? https://www.totalueberwachung.de/blog/articles/2007/07/06/can-i-has-a-neo |
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| 02:18.41 | technil | vallor: might be bug 788, especially if you didn't do saveenv after changing the bootargs .. IIRC passing the kernel option is lost over reboot |
| 02:19.16 | vallor | I was just going back through and doing saveenv |
| 02:19.30 | technil | :( quite a pain |
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| 02:23.20 | vallor | k, it's booting |
| 02:23.26 | vallor | I have thermometer :) |
| 02:23.33 | technil | yay |
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| 02:27.02 | vallor | okay, I'm signed in with ssh |
| 02:27.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page/es]] [[External_Feeds]] [[OpenMoko/it]] [[OpenMoko]] [[Booting_from_NFS]] [[My_Account]] [[Commercial_models]] [[Vertical_applications]] [[Business_Development]] |
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| 02:33.37 | vallor | oh man, the kernel has nfs support! |
| 02:33.55 | vallor | that's awesome, I can use that for strace output w/out burning ram :) |
| 02:34.15 | technil | shoo it off over the network... |
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| 02:37.12 | vallor | what is /media/net used for, is that a good place to put the nfs mount point? |
| 02:37.33 | rejon | rwhitby or ScaredyCat: did you reply to me? |
| 02:38.09 | rwhitby | rejon: what was the question? |
| 02:39.28 | rejon | oh, was talking about using dnrd to proxy to moko |
| 02:39.33 | technil | vallor: not listed in /etc/fstab ... |
| 02:39.47 | vallor | technil: yes, and I see no sign of an automounter |
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| 02:53.49 | cesarb | aloril: your planet script is outputting old entries... |
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| 03:00.42 | vallor | this gsmd just doesn't like to stay running |
| 03:01.05 | technil | mine just died too |
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| 03:02.09 | technil | anyone heard rumors about 800/850 GSM being disabled in P1 phones? |
| 03:02.20 | technil | (FCC related) |
| 03:02.34 | vallor | I hadn't -- 800/850 mhz? |
| 03:02.51 | technil | I can find no suggestion of the such on the FCC site |
| 03:03.13 | technil | filings there detail all bands |
| 03:03.18 | Agrajag- | where'd you hear that? doesn't sound likely.. |
| 03:03.43 | technil | someone was in here a few days ago suggesting such a thing |
| 03:03.43 | vallor | it's like the modem just isn't saying anything back |
| 03:04.32 | rwhitby | the FCC approval docs don't include 850 |
| 03:04.45 | rwhitby | the assumption is that the firmware has 850 disabled for that reason |
| 03:04.50 | vallor | ''write(2, "interval expired, starting next alive inquiry\n", 46) = 46'' |
| 03:04.55 | Agrajag- | oh right.. my memory must be bad then, i thought .au used 850 for some reason |
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| 03:05.34 | rwhitby | there is no official word from FIC/OpenMoko on the issue (which is probably due to the bad press which would result from such an official announcement) |
| 03:05.51 | rwhitby | I have no inside information - all of that is idle speculation |
| 03:06.05 | rwhitby | (except the FCC bit - you can check the docs yourself) |
| 03:07.07 | rwhitby | vallor: joe is joe in OE |
| 03:07.15 | rwhitby | want me to add it to the feed.bb ? |
| 03:07.30 | technil | rwhitby: say the only gsm provider in my area operated on the 850 band only, then an error of CME 30 "no network available" makes perfect sense |
| 03:07.39 | moko-bunny | cesarb: nice patch...dial out with dialer works for me now (with manual gsmd restart and x-server restart)...though I did rebuild the whole thing to fix my webkit fail :-/ |
| 03:08.39 | technil | I think that has to be it. |
| 03:13.41 | vallor | okay, I've got a gsm.log that shows what's going on for me... |
| 03:13.55 | vallor | http://ponzo.net/gsm.log |
| 03:18.03 | vallor | rwhitby: if it were available to ipkg, would be nice -- but I've got an nfs mount to my workstation, so I can edit files here using the nfs mount as a staging area |
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| 03:19.12 | rwhitby | vallor: have you removed console=ttySAC0 from u-boot env? |
| 03:19.16 | technil | vallor: check out http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=574 |
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| 03:20.23 | vallor | rwhitby: yes indeed |
| 03:22.12 | vallor | ooooo, thanks technil |
| 03:22.17 | vallor | still reading.... |
| 03:26.10 | vallor | hmm... |
| 03:26.13 | vallor | root@fic-gta01:/eva$ cu -l /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 03:26.13 | vallor | cu: open (/dev/ttySAC0): Permission denied |
| 03:26.26 | vallor | cu: /dev/ttySAC0: Line in use |
| 03:26.34 | vallor | but gsmd isn't running |
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| 03:29.48 | technil | I get the same exact error vallor |
| 03:31.47 | vallor | maybe it's just like that |
| 03:32.10 | technil | lsof | grep ttySAC0 returns nothing |
| 03:32.23 | vallor | nor does fuser |
| 03:32.40 | vallor | doesn't it seem like you should be able to use cu on the serial port? |
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| 03:35.59 | technil | i recall someone saying something about how the modem was placed in the design.. |
| 03:36.27 | technil | arrgh, can't remember |
| 03:41.20 | vallor | dmesg shows this, also: |
| 03:41.28 | vallor | <4>Alignment trap: libgsmd-tool (1383) PC=0x0000982c Instr=0xe594e004 Address=0xbee16633 FSR 0x013 |
| 03:41.28 | vallor | <7>modem wakeup interrupt |
| 03:41.57 | cesarb | vallor: cu will say permission denied unless you do the chmod dance on the wiki page |
| 03:43.20 | cesarb | vallor: alignment trap is bad... unless the kernel has alignment fixup enabled, the process will read in some random way and probably die due to the invalid value |
| 03:43.47 | cesarb | vallor: and alignment fixup is expensive, so it's almost always a bug |
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| 03:44.02 | cesarb | vallor: (the bug would be in libgsmd-tool in this case) |
| 03:44.17 | vallor | hmm, k |
| 03:44.25 | vallor | thank you cesarb! |
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| 03:53.42 | vallor | I think it's usually done with /etc/localtime, but I'm not familiar with embedded linux that much |
| 03:53.45 | technil | moko-bunny: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973#Setting_date_and_time |
| 03:54.30 | moko-bunny | technij: sweet, thanks! (found /proc/driver/rtc BTW that shows if it took :) ) |
| 03:54.57 | vallor | ntpdate would be a handy thing on the phone ;P |
| 03:55.20 | technil | have it interpolate based on gps data |
| 03:55.37 | technil | set the timezone correct wherever you are |
| 03:55.56 | Agrajag- | yeah gps gives time, i'm pretty sure you can get the time from the mobile network too |
| 04:01.39 | rwhitby | for timezones, look at http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/nslu2-linux/setting-the-openmoko-timezone.html |
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| 04:11.45 | technil | aha.. FCC ID# EUNGTA01BV4 filings for 1850.2 to 1909.8 and 2402.0 to 2480.0 |
| 04:14.58 | rwhitby | yep, no 850 bands |
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| 04:15.31 | technil | well I guess I'm screwed until new firmware / filings |
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| 04:16.26 | iandouglas736 | hey all |
| 04:16.48 | iandouglas736 | running into problems building MokoMakefile according to the wiki instructions, using Gentoo, anyone have a sec to help me out? |
| 04:17.11 | iandouglas736 | make openmoko-devel-image gives me these notes: |
| 04:17.20 | iandouglas736 | NOTE: Resolving missing task queue dependencies |
| 04:17.20 | iandouglas736 | NOTE: preferred version 2.5 of glibc not available (for item virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-libc-for-gcc) |
| 04:18.46 | technil | vallor: it was fun, maybe i'll see you again on irc.. |
| 04:18.52 | iandouglas736 | ultimately it fails giving me other errors, and won't complete |
| 04:19.10 | vallor | take care |
| 04:19.35 | vallor | meanwhile, something just failed catastophically, where "ls: Permission denied" is popping up... |
| 04:19.35 | technil | rwhitby thanks illuminating the 850 issue. |
| 04:19.45 | technil | dooh |
| 04:19.51 | technil | night |
| 04:20.02 | technil | er whatever time it is where you are |
| 04:20.09 | rwhitby | iandouglas736: the NOTE is innocuous |
| 04:20.19 | rwhitby | iandouglas736: pastebin the first error |
| 04:20.25 | rwhitby | ~pastebin |
| 04:20.26 | apt | i heard pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 04:21.30 | rwhitby | the emacs .ipk is 16MB |
| 04:25.52 | iandouglas736 | rwhitby: the log file created is 1.1MB of text, pastebin will only allow 150kb, I'll post it on my own web site for you to view |
| 04:26.27 | rwhitby | iandouglas736: just paste the errors, not the whole thing |
| 04:27.01 | rwhitby | mwester: it's just something that *has* to be done. once. |
| 04:27.15 | mwester | :-D |
| 04:27.54 | rwhitby | nope |
| 04:28.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0]] [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[USB_Networking]] |
| 04:28.29 | rwhitby | will have to wait until tonight and try it on the other neo after booting from SD card |
| 04:29.33 | chihchun | jserv2: will you integrate Telepathy Framework ? |
| 04:31.41 | chihchun | right, I saw a soc project for integrating telepathy framework |
| 04:32.19 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.20 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.32 | rwhitby | ok, once was enough. |
| 04:33.17 | rwhitby | at least now we can truthfully answer the question "Will it run Emacs?" with a "Yes!" |
| 04:33.48 | mwester | It runs emacs. Whatever problems it may have, if it can run emacs, it gets a thumbs-up from me! |
| 04:35.01 | mwester | Ah, but is joe in the feed yet? |
| 04:35.22 | CM | Hehe |
| 04:35.36 | rwhitby | nope, but it builds fine |
| 04:36.01 | CM | rwhitby: Don't add that horrific program to the feed! :P (*starts a little morning flame*) ;) |
| 04:36.43 | mwester | It's *NOT* a horrific program. It's an operating system with an integrated text editor. :p :p |
| 04:37.06 | CM | :D |
| 04:37.23 | rwhitby | it's an operating system abstraction layer |
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| 04:51.22 | rejon | ScaredyCat: you there? |
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| 04:56.21 | iandouglas736 | rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/689634 |
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| 05:43.42 | CM | iandouglas736: That's a known issue, look at http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=747 |
| 05:44.43 | CM | basically, add network to the QT += at line 6 in src/tools/uic3/uic3.pro |
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| 05:57.56 | iandouglas736 | CM: thanks much |
| 05:58.24 | CM | :) |
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| 06:02.02 | bedboi | hi all guys |
| 06:02.49 | Any_key|work | morging |
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| 06:08.03 | bedboi | anyone knows how to use -dbg libraries |
| 06:08.06 | bedboi | i mean how to link to them |
| 06:14.19 | ColdFyre | how well is openmoko running on the a780? |
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| 06:18.15 | CM | ColdFyre: You mean koens blog post? |
| 06:18.29 | ColdFyre | yup |
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| 06:19.01 | ColdFyre | ive got openezx running, but i still see a lack of sound, phone is still a brick |
| 06:19.42 | CM | Maybe ask around in #oe or some ezx channel? |
| 06:20.06 | CM | I have no clue how it's going with getting 2.6 working |
| 06:20.44 | ColdFyre | nah, i was just saying it's not supported yet, just polling to see who's got what neat things doing stuff:) |
| 06:20.58 | CM | Hehe :) |
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| 06:23.51 | rejon | heya, does the latest openmoko image not kick right into matchbox? |
| 06:24.08 | rejon | or rather, I'm just updating from ipkg |
| 06:25.36 | CM | I tried a clean build from scratch on saturday, and that one worked so-so |
| 06:25.59 | CM | But the gsmd issues might have been fixed by now |
| 06:26.02 | rejon | hmmm...mines getting stuck in the neod (neo daemon) |
| 06:26.04 | rejon | hmmm |
| 06:26.14 | rejon | Wish there was a no-breakage policy |
| 06:26.19 | rejon | ... |
| 06:26.20 | CM | I haven't tried updating via ipkg |
| 06:26.33 | rejon | CM: so you just re-image it? |
| 06:26.36 | CM | I wish they tried to test it at least once before commiting |
| 06:26.40 | CM | rejon: Yes |
| 06:26.54 | rejon | CM: Yes, I totally wish so too |
| 06:27.04 | rejon | who is on here from the openmoko team |
| 06:27.06 | rejon | ? |
| 06:27.14 | CM | Since that seems to give different results compared to ipkg, and more people use ipgk |
| 06:27.34 | rejon | I can blog about it and go through the planet.openmoko, but maybe that would be negative press |
| 06:27.52 | rejon | man, we should just be able to do: ipkg update && ipkg upgrade and this thing should just work |
| 06:27.54 | rejon | and most definitely not crack out |
| 06:27.58 | rejon | that should be policy IMO |
| 06:28.02 | CM | Well, stefan_schmidt, roh, mickey|away, alphaone and some more use to be here |
| 06:28.08 | ColdFyre | that would be too easy |
| 06:28.25 | CM | There's also a locked dev channel I think |
| 06:28.31 | rejon | yeah, I saw that |
| 06:28.34 | rejon | suck |
| 06:29.26 | CM | rejon: Or maybe have one stable and one unstable feed |
| 06:29.34 | rejon | Yes, I totally agree |
| 06:29.44 | CM | So that people who want to try testing and bugfixing set it on the -dev feed |
| 06:29.50 | rejon | agree |
| 06:29.52 | CM | The rest get a working phone |
| 06:30.16 | rejon | stefan_schmidt mickey|away roh: what do you guys think? |
| 06:30.42 | rwhitby | rejon: have you removed console=ttySAC0 from u-boot bootargs_base ? |
| 06:31.12 | CM | rejon: It's increased work to maintain two feeds though. It's like gentoos stable/unstable keywords. |
| 06:31.14 | rwhitby | as for stability, the OM _svn.bb recipes should reference the most recent *tested* svn revision for each tool. |
| 06:31.22 | CM | Maybe it's too early |
| 06:31.31 | CM | rwhitby: agreed :) |
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| 06:31.47 | rejon | still thought, no breakage should be law |
| 06:31.54 | rejon | just like *any* good software project |
| 06:32.00 | rwhitby | You can't stop developers from checking in to svn, but you *can* use the new SVNREV facility in OE to isolate that and put the responsibility on the developer to only update the SVNREV in the .bb file when some rudimentary testing has been done |
| 06:32.02 | RalphEichelberge | hello guys |
| 06:32.17 | RalphEichelberge | u probably a |
| 06:32.27 | rejon | rwhitby: hell yeah, can stop devs from committing broken code...that is just bad policy |
| 06:32.37 | rejon | or rather not stop, but encourage ;) |
| 06:32.43 | RalphEichelberge | have other topics |
| 06:32.58 | rwhitby | rejon: right - in theory, and in policy. if you isolate using .bb SVNREV, then you can do it in practise too ... |
| 06:33.10 | RalphEichelberge | but I am new to openmoko and have to compile that newes image |
| 06:33.22 | rejon | I've amazingly stayed out of hacking on the openmoko for some months ;) been super preoccupied with creative commons stuff |
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| 06:33.44 | rejon | well, except team at CC hacking on liblicense which will go on openmoko too |
| 06:34.08 | rwhitby | rejon: so I agree the policy should be no breakage, but I say the implementation mechanism should not rely only on SVN stability on trunk. |
| 06:34.23 | rejon | rwhitby: so, I guess I can't just use ipkg to keep up-to-date...suck |
| 06:34.37 | RalphEichelberge | well yes |
| 06:34.44 | rwhitby | rejon: I'm using snapshots and ipkg upgrade right now |
| 06:34.57 | RalphEichelberge | u obiously know about that problem :) |
| 06:35.07 | rwhitby | see my latest post to device-owners for the recipe I use for a working phone |
| 06:35.27 | CM | RalphEichelberge: How far along have you gotten, and what is it you want to do? Run OpenMoko in qemu? |
| 06:35.30 | RalphEichelberge | where can i find that? |
| 06:35.30 | aloril | RalphEichelberge: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 06:36.07 | RalphEichelberge | well that wiki didnt help me |
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| 06:36.23 | RalphEichelberge | i just made that make update .... thing |
| 06:36.40 | rejon | rwhitby: do you have a url to that post? |
| 06:36.45 | Demonax | Is it possible to increase the sensitivity of the microphone in the Neo1973 to use it as a voice recorder, say for recording uni lectures? |
| 06:37.23 | rejon | Man, so you are saying that there is a customized image and then ipkg you use to get this thing to work |
| 06:37.28 | RalphEichelberge | OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/openmoko/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/cups-1.2.10-r2/install/cups-locale' |
| 06:37.28 | RalphEichelberge | ERROR: Task 1430 (/home/openmoko/moko/openembedded/packages/cups/cups_1.2.10.bb, do_package_write_ipk) failed |
| 06:37.31 | rejon | why don't they/we just use your custom thing as law |
| 06:37.42 | rejon | ugh...just want to get the base image, and ipkg that ish |
| 06:37.51 | rejon | seems like too many points of failure otherwise |
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| 06:37.59 | rwhitby | rejon: no, the 2007.08 OM snapshot release, then ipkg upgrade from buildhost from there |
| 06:38.26 | rejon | man, I need to read up |
| 06:38.29 | rwhitby | (plus some tweaks to work-around bugs) |
| 06:38.29 | RalphEichelberge | i just did, what i found at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 06:38.56 | rwhitby | RalphEichelberge: when did you last "make update image" ? |
| 06:39.33 | rwhitby | rejon: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2007-September/000449.html |
| 06:39.45 | RalphEichelberge | Friday evening |
| 06:40.12 | rwhitby | you need to do it three times in a row before reporting a bug here |
| 06:40.30 | RalphEichelberge | well i did |
| 06:40.32 | rwhitby | (since OE moves so fast - that bug was fixed over the weekend) |
| 06:40.51 | RalphEichelberge | really? |
| 06:40.54 | rwhitby | no you didn't - you just said Friday evening - that's three days ago |
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| 06:41.40 | RalphEichelberge | but that means that i have to start from scratch with the compiling - 8 hours? |
| 06:41.45 | rwhitby | three times in a row means three times in a row, one immediately after the other, where the last two will take less than 5 minutes each usually |
| 06:42.20 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Yes, sometimes there's old cruft in your build/tmp/ folder, and cleaning that out and starting from scratch is the only way |
| 06:42.26 | CM | At least for me |
| 06:42.57 | rwhitby | but usually it's not. the "three times in a row" requirement on the MokoMakefile page does not require rebuilding from scratch three times |
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| 06:43.07 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 06:43.12 | RalphEichelberge | ok - so you think, if I am going to do that make clean and update it will compile through this time? |
| 06:43.42 | bedboi | anyone here is using google perftools? |
| 06:43.47 | rwhitby | who said anything about make clean? |
| 06:43.52 | Demonax | No-one able to answer that? |
| 06:44.02 | RalphEichelberge | make update image |
| 06:44.07 | RalphEichelberge | ? |
| 06:44.16 | rejon | rwhitby: thx...trying these steps |
| 06:44.26 | rwhitby | make update image is very much *not* the same as make clean |
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| 06:44.47 | RalphEichelberge | ok i try :) thanks |
| 06:44.58 | abraxa_ | Demonax: If you have hardware you can play around with the mixer settings - that's as much of an answer you'll probably get at the moment |
| 06:45.26 | rejon | btw: paulproteus myself lessig and some others had dinner with RMS last week and he talked at length about openmoko and wanting to use it :) |
| 06:45.35 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Also, if you get stuck on task 1360, uicmoc4-native, look at bug 747 in the openmoko bugzilla |
| 06:46.00 | RalphEichelberge | aha - ok i will |
| 06:46.05 | rwhitby | rejon: those steps work for me on Bv3 and Bv4- |
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| 06:46.12 | abraxa_ | rejon: RMS? |
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| 06:46.14 | rejon | stallman |
| 06:46.21 | abraxa_ | Oh |
| 06:46.40 | RalphEichelberge | is that the boing bug - huh? :) |
| 06:47.05 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Yes. Bug 666 is another favourite that's still open. ;) |
| 06:48.08 | RalphEichelberge | uuuh! |
| 06:48.14 | RalphEichelberge | love this |
| 06:48.36 | bedboi | 666 the bug of the beast |
| 06:48.42 | RalphEichelberge | just intrest - where u from, CM? |
| 06:48.50 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Sweden |
| 06:48.57 | RalphEichelberge | i c |
| 06:49.05 | zash_se | Sweden is the shit! |
| 06:49.16 | RalphEichelberge | well linux ... |
| 06:49.24 | RalphEichelberge | nokia |
| 06:49.36 | RalphEichelberge | skype |
| 06:49.44 | RalphEichelberge | all from sweden |
| 06:49.51 | CM | Well, skype is swedish, the others are Finnish :P |
| 06:49.51 | zash_se | no |
| 06:50.01 | RalphEichelberge | oh sorry |
| 06:50.15 | CM | But Sweden did own Finland for a couple of years... :D |
| 06:50.17 | RalphEichelberge | its just north for me - i know+ |
| 06:50.18 | fatal- | hmm, skype swedish? |
| 06:50.19 | bedboi | yep :) |
| 06:50.30 | zash_se | god damn ssglagg! |
| 06:50.33 | polz | CM: so did russia :P |
| 06:50.35 | RalphEichelberge | whats his name again? |
| 06:50.45 | zash_se | s/ssg/ssh |
| 06:50.49 | El_Salvador | skype swedish/danish |
| 06:50.54 | polz | and I don't see anyone mixing up those two :) |
| 06:50.55 | CM | fatal-: Yes, Nicklas Zennström, the Kazaa and Joost guy was behind it |
| 06:51.04 | RalphEichelberge | zenström? |
| 06:51.09 | fatal- | ok |
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| 06:51.18 | RalphEichelberge | mhm |
| 06:51.20 | El_Salvador | and Janus Friis |
| 06:51.20 | RalphEichelberge | i read about |
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| 06:51.51 | CM | El_Salvador: Yes |
| 06:51.52 | polz | is dialer supposed to keep working if you shut down pulseaudio ? |
| 06:51.53 | Demonax | abraxa_: I suppose it'd somehow be possible to attach a USB mic that would make it possible if the internal one can't do it, right? |
| 06:52.08 | RalphEichelberge | isnt there a big mainframe that could make the builds for moko? |
| 06:52.19 | CM | El_Salvador: But he's from Denmark ;) |
| 06:52.21 | polz | Demonax: I didn't know USB host mode worked now |
| 06:52.43 | El_Salvador | CM: I know |
| 06:52.47 | El_Salvador | <El_Salvador> skype swedish/danish |
| 06:53.04 | CM | Ah, sorry, missed that line |
| 06:53.13 | Demonax | polz: no, I just mean in the future, I don't have a Neo1973 yet, saving for the final release in December... Hopefully I can get one around January. |
| 06:53.19 | RalphEichelberge | did anyone allready used the neo as a phone? |
| 06:53.19 | El_Salvador | no problem :) |
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| 06:57.36 | CM | rwhitby: Well, I think you're an obvious choice, even if you're not officially hired. Besides, it shouldn't only be me nominating people and I assumed someone would add you. :) |
| 06:58.07 | RalphEichelberge | hey guyes - what is the difference between make image and make openmoko-devel-image ? |
| 06:58.12 | Demonax | rwhitby: you're behind mokomake correct? |
| 06:58.23 | RalphEichelberge | mhm |
| 06:58.37 | CM | Demonax: Among many things, yes |
| 06:59.05 | RalphEichelberge | what is the savest way to get a working image? |
| 06:59.24 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Download it from the build host? |
| 06:59.32 | CM | RalphEichelberge: For qemu or? |
| 06:59.40 | RalphEichelberge | no for the neo |
| 07:00.13 | abraxa_ | Demonax: Yeah, gta02 will have powered host-mode USB so if the mic is too weak you can just hook up an external one, given it draws <100mA |
| 07:00.15 | CM | Same thing I guess, get a tested image from a build host |
| 07:00.26 | rwhitby | RalphEichelberge: those two targets do the same thing. image is a convenient shortcut |
| 07:00.28 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:00.38 | RalphEichelberge | i see |
| 07:00.51 | rwhitby | DerCorny: yes, I wrote and maintain MokoMakefile |
| 07:00.57 | RalphEichelberge | thx rwhitby |
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| 07:01.29 | RalphEichelberge | i launced the make again |
| 07:01.32 | rwhitby | RalphEichelberge: "safest" way at the moment is to use the 2007.08 snapshot, and *not* run ipk upgrade |
| 07:01.43 | RalphEichelberge | where can i find the newes build? |
| 07:02.02 | rwhitby | most practical way is http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2007-September/000449.html |
| 07:02.22 | rwhitby | you can find the newest build in build/tmp when your "make image" completes ;-) |
| 07:03.05 | rwhitby | Note that the only things that are tested on buildhost are the images in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/ |
| 07:03.11 | RalphEichelberge | yes that my own :) |
| 07:03.32 | rwhitby | the stuff in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/ is no more tested than the images you build yourself. |
| 07:04.13 | RalphEichelberge | yeah, but they are old, right? |
| 07:04.30 | rwhitby | yep |
| 07:05.00 | RalphEichelberge | 8 hours later, maybe I will have a new build |
| 07:05.05 | rwhitby | you can have old and "working" or new and "broken" (for various definitions of working and broken) at the moment |
| 07:05.18 | RalphEichelberge | hey, don't you have a build for me? |
| 07:05.30 | RalphEichelberge | that i could flash |
| 07:06.19 | rwhitby | I personally start with http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/ and then ipkg upgrade and do other stuff as documented in http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2007-September/000449.html |
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| 07:06.48 | RalphEichelberge | now i understand that ipgk |
| 07:07.04 | rwhitby | I have a builder that runs continuously at http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/, but those images are even more untested than http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/ |
| 07:07.29 | rwhitby | select the level of "bleeding edge" which achieves your goals ... |
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| 07:14.43 | RalphEichelberge | you know, i am not a end-customer ... i just want the newest stuff :) |
| 07:14.55 | RalphEichelberge | so that builder is awesome |
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| 07:16.18 | CM | RalphEichelberge: Nominate rwhitby for a next gen neo then ;) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0 |
| 07:22.06 | RalphEichelberge | well i guess his afforts in doing some support will give him that advantage :) - i wil |
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| 07:43.54 | RalphEichelberge | when i flash the image, i don't have to flash the kernel, because its allready on that image, right? |
| 07:45.34 | CM | RalphEichelberge: No, you have to flash the kernel too |
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| 07:46.14 | CM | RalphEichelberge: I think that's a bit annoying though, but that's how it's made |
| 07:46.26 | CM | You have to flash the kernel matching the rootfs |
| 07:46.39 | RalphEichelberge | ok |
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| 07:53.39 | aloril | CM: I would be surprised if rwhitby wasn't already on the list ;-) |
| 07:53.55 | CM | aloril: Me too |
| 07:54.41 | CM | But still, if there's 50 GTA02's, there's some left to send out even after the core ppl get theirs :) |
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| 08:28.07 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0]] [[User:BBlack]] |
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| 08:41.22 | notserpe | can anyone tell me what's going on vis-a-vis opengl es/acceleration plann(ing/ed) with GTA02? |
| 08:41.37 | notserpe | I'm interested on working on this in some capacity |
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| 08:52.15 | rwhitby | notserpe: there has been no public information about the drivers for the video accel on GTA02 (apart from the fact that they will be written by OpenMoko staff under NDA, but will be open source with full source code availabiilty of course, and no binary parts to the driver) |
| 08:52.43 | rwhitby | if you have significant experience, I suggest you contact Mickey or Harald directly. |
| 08:52.50 | CM | And that they've hired some known hacker to fix the drivers |
| 08:52.55 | CM | To be announced soon |
| 08:53.20 | rwhitby | Hmm - have they announced the OE dev yet? |
| 08:53.45 | CM | No, I think mickeyl said he'd say it the 19th on some conference or so |
| 08:54.32 | CM | Sounds likely to me too :) |
| 08:54.45 | CM | Damn :P |
| 08:54.54 | rwhitby | ~hail XorA |
| 08:54.55 | apt | ACTION bows down to XorA and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
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| 08:55.58 | XorA | ~lart evolution |
| 08:55.58 | apt | --purges evolution |
| 08:56.11 | XorA | hmm, good advice from apt there |
| 08:56.21 | inz | indeed |
| 08:57.43 | aloril | rwhitby: hehe, I tought raster too when I read that mail about video dev ;-) |
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| 09:02.19 | CM | OT, but coolest rc thing of the day: http://www.festo.com/INetDomino/coorp_sites/de/22ff224c0cba8e40c12572d60033d076.htm |
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| 09:04.42 | jeddy3 | man, thats looks really odd |
| 09:06.37 | ixs | CM: not cool |
| 09:06.43 | ixs | a bit of wind and the thing is a goner. |
| 09:06.56 | ixs | guess why they were flying it indors in the demo. |
| 09:07.13 | CM | ixs: True, and it's big. But I'd like a smaller one like that and fly it around at the office ;) |
| 09:07.40 | ixs | CM: let's fit it with a little bomb-chute and sell it to helpdesks worldwide. |
| 09:07.47 | CM | Hehe |
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| 09:10.32 | notserpe | rwhitby: thanks for the heads up |
| 09:15.09 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Montreal]] |
| 09:15.34 | buz | seems like you need giant room for that |
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| 09:27.07 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: SIM Card/Bugzilla 666 status? |
| 09:31.28 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: ATI to provide specs (was: Re: SMedia 3362) |
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| 09:36.04 | aloril | LaF0rge: didn't know you were able to release documentation too for SMedia 3362: seems like best possible result |
| 09:36.11 | aloril | LaF0rge: great work |
| 09:36.20 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 09:36.35 | SpeedEvil | Well - almost. |
| 09:37.45 | buz | XorA: you got one of those finger tip pointers then ;.-) |
| 09:38.03 | XorA | buz: you dont diss dah man :-) |
| 09:38.26 | buz | i meant for poking |
| 09:38.34 | SpeedEvil | The most ideal case would be s3 saying 'we were only kidding, here's a GPL driver :)' |
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| 09:38.42 | LaF0rge | all: thanks. |
| 09:38.50 | SpeedEvil | But this is awesome |
| 09:39.07 | SpeedEvil | And needless to say very promising for future chips. |
| 09:39.09 | XorA | buz: anyway, Id probably use that lethal neo stylus :-D |
| 09:39.22 | buz | maybe turn it into a class 3 laser eh |
| 09:40.03 | SpeedEvil | Is there a link to a datasheet now, or sometime soon. |
| 09:40.14 | SpeedEvil | To read the mail, I'd have to get out of bed... |
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| 09:40.46 | buz | now if gta02 had a cam |
| 09:40.47 | buz | SCNR |
| 09:40.54 | buz | and a v8, of course |
| 09:41.25 | SpeedEvil | No. It should have a fuel cell, that can run from v8. |
| 09:41.56 | buz | i dont think you can run anything from v8 |
| 09:41.58 | buz | gruesome stuff |
| 09:42.26 | SpeedEvil | But it's healthy! |
| 09:43.07 | buz | maybe |
| 09:43.29 | buz | they used to say that about OJ as well whereas in reality, it has way too much sugar in it |
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| 09:49.54 | tuukkah | what's the latest on the next shipment of gta01? |
| 09:50.31 | buz | 3rd week of september |
| 09:50.53 | CM | tuukkah: Latest I've read is this mail: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-September/010153.html |
| 09:51.09 | tuukkah | is now 2nd or 3rd week? |
| 09:51.20 | CM | 2:nd |
| 09:51.22 | buz | 2nd i'd say |
| 09:55.21 | tuukkah | ok, so next week |
| 09:56.51 | tuukkah | my university ordered one advanced kit to evaluate the possibility of using it in projects or courses |
| 09:59.45 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 10:00.35 | SpeedEvil | It's quite flexible really - everything from using JTAG, to asm programming. |
| 10:05.58 | zilt | .win 3 |
| 10:06.00 | Maledikt | Does the mail mean that there is/will no public doc (be) available for the wifi? |
| 10:08.17 | XorA | Maledikt: the doc is written in C :-) |
| 10:08.31 | Maledikt | grmpf ;) |
| 10:09.20 | rwhitby | Maledikt: perhaps you can talk to Atheros directly and convince them to release the doc ;-) |
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| 10:09.39 | Maledikt | lol, atheros sucks |
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| 10:11.46 | Maledikt | s/sucks/are not open source friendly people/ better? ;) |
| 10:13.10 | rwhitby | interesting. So you're on #openmoko, saying that the single most open-source friendly wifi solution that the OM core team could find is not open source friendly, as if some other company is more open source friendly ... |
| 10:13.40 | rwhitby | Guess you're going to have an internal conflict to resolve if you buy a GTA02 ... |
| 10:13.50 | Maledikt | no, didn't mean that. And don't want to say that. I think it was the best choice they could make |
| 10:14.08 | Maledikt | but there is always room for improvment |
| 10:14.25 | rwhitby | ah, so you're saying that all wifi manufacturers suck, but Atheros sucks least? |
| 10:14.41 | Maledikt | when i hear atheros i always have to think of their blob for there laptop and desktop hardware |
| 10:15.36 | Maledikt | no, afaik there are companys who provide open doc and even hw to os developers. but thats desktop and laptop |
| 10:19.16 | Maledikt | can't find it |
| 10:20.17 | cjb_ie | ubuntu? |
| 10:20.41 | cjb_ie | but i guess you probably meant hardware companies. |
| 10:20.48 | Maledikt | yes |
| 10:21.13 | Lynet | Intel has gone fairly OSS friendly and has wireless chips, no? |
| 10:21.13 | aloril | Currently sold Neo1973 GTA01B_v04 (P1) doesn't have WiFi, GTA02 (P2) which is scheduled for October will have WiFi with free (libre) drivers (Atheros AR6K): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F |
| 10:22.02 | Maledikt | ralink! |
| 10:22.15 | Maledikt | afaik thats a company who provides docs and hw |
| 10:22.22 | sandos | Lynet: the wireless isnt so open afaik |
| 10:22.24 | sandos | binary blobs |
| 10:22.43 | LittleIdiot | Lynet: their firmware isn't open, their drivers are |
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| 11:13.06 | squalyl | hi all |
| 11:13.35 | squalyl | who tried OpenMoko on hx4700? |
| 11:13.50 | squalyl | I wanted to do the same, but the kernel doesn't boot :( |
| 11:15.04 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 11:15.14 | SpeedEvil | well. Have you a kernel that boots? |
| 11:15.21 | squalyl | er... |
| 11:15.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Repositories]] [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[Talk:Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0]] |
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| 11:15.37 | squalyl | I tried GPE's kernel and it does the same excepts GPE displays a "tux" icon |
| 11:15.48 | squalyl | I get no messages on the serial console |
| 11:16.12 | squalyl | (I'm using haRET, a wince bootloader) |
| 11:16.45 | SpeedEvil | As far as I know - nobodies tried. I may be wrong. |
| 11:17.12 | SpeedEvil | First you need a booting linux kernel on your device. |
| 11:17.27 | squalyl | "koen" tried and posted something on his blog, but there's no technical info |
| 11:17.30 | SpeedEvil | Then you install the root filesystem of OM to where the kernel has been told to find it. |
| 11:17.55 | squalyl | I built Openmoko changing "fic-gta01" to "hx4700" in local.conf |
| 11:18.00 | squalyl | all went well. |
| 11:18.17 | squalyl | I have a rootfs on an ext2 compactflash, all I need is a working uImage ! |
| 11:19.16 | squalyl | haRET boot avoids flashing anything! |
| 11:19.31 | squalyl | but... sigh |
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| 11:21.25 | squalyl | the only "openmoko hx4700" resource is this : http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/openmoko-running-on-an-ipaq |
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| 11:52.49 | raster | now thaqt was very un-fun |
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| 11:53.03 | raster | om's build managed to fill up 450gb of disk space... |
| 11:53.06 | raster | with 1 log file. |
| 11:53.07 | raster | woot |
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| 11:54.02 | CM | Hehe.. yikes |
| 11:55.18 | raster | some build got into an endless loop while i was away waiting for it |
| 11:55.20 | raster | woot |
| 11:55.26 | raster | deletign that crap took a while |
| 11:55.45 | squalyl | interesting |
| 11:56.25 | raster | actually |
| 11:56.30 | raster | 520gb of log |
| 11:56.38 | raster | poor disk |
| 11:58.12 | raster | at least it tested gthe codepath in e when trying to write its config |
| 11:58.14 | raster | and failing |
| 11:58.17 | raster | because your disk is full |
| 11:58.24 | raster | and it managed to not lose the config |
| 11:58.32 | raster | and nicely pop up a dialog to let you know |
| 11:59.30 | torpor | yo |
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| 12:06.33 | torpor | anyone got any clue as to what the state of the current moko tree is like, build-wise? i finished another full build on thursday and am only just getting back to catchup .. |
| 12:06.51 | torpor | i guess i should look at the bugbase, but TBH, i don't wanna use my web browser right now. ;) |
| 12:06.54 | zash_se | cat soup! |
| 12:10.26 | CM | torpor: I finished a build this morning |
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| 12:28.19 | torpor | CM cool i've just started an update and a new make .. |
| 12:28.32 | torpor | < -- want to boot my own OM image today, and put some modules in. |
| 12:29.54 | CM | :-) |
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| 12:50.49 | gamin | any word about the next batch of gta01's coming? |
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| 12:54.59 | CM | gamin: Yes, hopefully next week |
| 12:55.45 | CM | gamin: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-September/010153.html |
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| 13:15.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Neo1973_and_Windows]] [[Neo1973_and_Windows]] [[Talk:Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0]] [[Talk:Hear_Me_FIC]] |
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| 13:53.38 | Linux_Galore | shhhhwing http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/10/3ms-dms800-short-throw-projector-cum-alien-probe/#comments |
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| 14:12.18 | zecke | mickeyl: are you around? |
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| 14:29.12 | hhf423_w | re |
| 14:30.12 | RalphEichelberge | yes it is unstable that newest build :) |
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| 14:30.37 | hhf423_w | now a dfu-util for windows is what we still need |
| 14:30.52 | RalphEichelberge | y? |
| 14:31.08 | RalphEichelberge | there is no need for windows anyway |
| 14:31.59 | Writchie | RalphEichelberge: unless you want to sell to 95% of the people in the universe |
| 14:32.59 | rwhitby | hhf423_w: there was someone who was working on a windows build of dfu-util |
| 14:33.17 | rwhitby | and I think harald fixed a problem in the kernel which was preventing that from working |
| 14:33.50 | hhf423_w | rwhitby: the neo kernel is now fixed so that usb networking works |
| 14:34.20 | hhf423_w | we probably only need a windows developer who can build a dfu-util for windows |
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| 14:35.56 | rwhitby | ooh - new face on the OM wiki |
| 14:36.06 | hhf423_w | hmm? |
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| 14:41.47 | RalphEichelberge | sorry - i didn't want to be cruel because of that M$ thing |
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| 14:44.53 | aloril | woah, "Turned Off iPhone Gets $4800 Bill from AT&T" http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/09/10/1216224.shtml |
| 14:45.18 | SpeedEvil | Off ain't. |
| 14:45.35 | aloril | yeah and taking battery out is not simple thing either |
| 14:45.42 | hhf423_w | hahaha |
| 14:45.47 | aloril | so .. only way to avoid that is to leave it at home |
| 14:45.50 | Writchie | good lessons from this |
| 14:46.03 | aloril | or put it inside tinfoil ;-) |
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| 14:46.28 | Fatal | or microwave oven |
| 14:46.28 | Writchie | new product, portable iPhone emi cage |
| 14:46.38 | SpeedEvil | Foil baggie. |
| 14:47.01 | Writchie | emi cage many more $$$$ than foil baggie ;) |
| 14:47.19 | XorA | or turn off email |
| 14:47.20 | tuukkah | do we have javame ported? i could get a nice situation to promote the neo if we do =) |
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| 14:49.53 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: on more serious note we do absolutely need a concept of connection cost - merely being connected is not sufficient - current cost of connectivity will need to be available to apps. |
| 14:50.19 | SpeedEvil | Indeed - there are notes of that on the wiki |
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| 14:52.04 | Fatal | meeeeeeeeeeeeeeh, now the date for the new shipment is 24th sept X_x |
| 14:53.37 | Writchie | Fatal: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260157395019 |
| 14:54.16 | Fatal | heh, if it was only I then maybe, sadly there are two coworker in the same order |
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| 15:00.08 | rwhitby | hhf423_w: I just got internet connection sharing to work on windows with the neo |
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| 15:00.25 | Writchie | hhf423_: u-boot cdc serial black screens my XP-SP2 machines - have you had similar experience. I think this is pre-requisite to Dfu-Util |
| 15:03.32 | hhf423_w | rwhitby: via the registry hack or otherwise? |
| 15:04.16 | hhf423_w | Writchie: sorry, how exactly did you get the Neo to bluescreen your windows? |
| 15:05.02 | hhf423_w | fatal for P1 shipping I presume? |
| 15:05.11 | Writchie | hhf423_w: during install of drivers for the cdc serial - not bluescreen - black screen |
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| 15:05.58 | hhf423_w | Writchie: so you did boot into uboot and then connected to windows and then got black screen? |
| 15:06.00 | rwhitby | hhf423_w: I created a new bridge ("USB Network") with just the usb connection to the phone in it |
| 15:06.12 | rwhitby | then I enable ICS on the wan interface, and told it to use that bridge for the lan |
| 15:06.38 | rwhitby | it changes the lan address to 192.168.0.1 when you do that, so I then just went back in to the bridge IP settings and changed it back to 192.168.0.200 |
| 15:06.43 | rwhitby | now I get routing and DNS proxying through the wan interface |
| 15:07.04 | Writchie | hhf423_w: yes - I used a modified inf file that called up the standard windows drivers for cdc serial |
| 15:07.22 | hhf423_w | rwhitby: put it into the wiki as an alternative way to mine |
| 15:07.33 | rwhitby | hhf423_w: which page? |
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| 15:07.57 | rwhitby | Now I can plug the neo into either the linux box or the windows box, and not have to change any settings on the neo. |
| 15:07.58 | hhf423_w | rwhitby: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_and_Windows |
| 15:08.35 | hhf423_w | rwhitby: right, same here, although I needed to add a route in my DSL router |
| 15:08.55 | rwhitby | hhf423_w: with this method, windows ICS does nat I expect |
| 15:09.25 | hhf423_w | rwhitby: yes, I also would expect that |
| 15:09.54 | hhf423_w | rwhitby: its better than my option because no routes need to be added anywhere |
| 15:12.35 | kristian-m | thanks hhf423_w :-) |
| 15:12.50 | rwhitby | hhf423_w: I've added it to the page. It can probably do with some screen shots and better description. |
| 15:13.26 | hhf423_w | kristian-m: :-) |
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| 15:15.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_and_Windows]] [[Repositories]] [[User:Hhf423]] [[No_Linux]] [[GSM]] [[Neod]] [[Neo1973_Hardware]] [[User:Kriss]] [[Talk:Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0]] |
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| 15:16.01 | Writchie | rwhitby: i see no reason why not - I will test when I get working kernel on both of my units - BTW works fine on Linux |
| 15:16.36 | rwhitby | night all |
| 15:16.41 | XorA | cya |
| 15:16.58 | Writchie | rwhitby: night - any progress on u-boot?? |
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| 15:18.55 | hhf423_w | rwhitby: good night |
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| 15:19.12 | rwhitby | Writchie: uboot-openmoko still fails to build for me |
| 15:19.21 | Writchie | tx |
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| 15:37.53 | hhf423_w | hmmm |
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| 15:40.51 | torpor | is this pretty much still accurate or not? |
| 15:40.51 | torpor | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch |
| 15:41.36 | hhf423_w | torpor: think so |
| 15:42.52 | torpor | hmm. |
| 15:43.31 | torpor | i had my mokomakefile setup working perfectly last week, then i rm -rf'ed build/tmp, did what i thought was a successful rebuild "make update && make all" .. and now nothing is working. |
| 15:43.56 | mwester | That happens |
| 15:44.02 | torpor | annoying. |
| 15:44.30 | torpor | c compiler cannot create executables .. wtf was it doing for 12 hours then, matey!! ;) |
| 15:44.34 | mwester | There is hope; it's certainly gotten much more stable recently. |
| 15:45.06 | mwester | Althought the compiler problems were sorted out a week and half ago, I thought |
| 15:45.21 | torpor | so i suppose i should update my makefile and try again .. |
| 15:46.04 | hhf423_w | I tell you, what is annoying: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/d39e0c54b8a43650751d0ae19b78f676.png and then http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/0690c9bd00f72b082edee75db1f5ff51.png |
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| 15:46.38 | torpor | at least those are apps that are in development. |
| 15:46.59 | torpor | but for sure as hell, this needs to be bulletproof. and its a shock and a shame that it isn't by now. |
| 15:47.19 | torpor | i think there are other priorities. the guys that should be fixing it are playing with hardware instead. ;) |
| 15:47.27 | jpcass | hi - im building openmoko using mokomakefile and its failing on packageicu-native-3.6 in task do_compile - anyone else having this problem? |
| 15:48.07 | torpor | nope |
| 15:48.31 | torpor | whats the log output say? |
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| 15:48.49 | meus | i compiled it successfully last night |
| 15:50.04 | torpor | okay now its working again. wtf?! |
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| 15:51.38 | jpcass | log output is in http://pastebin.com/m8ad6605 ... |
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| 15:52.02 | bedboi | hi all |
| 15:53.11 | jpcass | wonder what this: /usr/bin/../lib/libstdc++.so.6: undefined reference to `_Unwind_GetIPInfo@GCC_4.2.0' means? |
| 15:53.12 | hhf423_w | mickeyl: I think cesarb said that there now is a patch for the Dialer crazieness as described here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#GSM_10 when will there be a new build on builthost? |
| 15:53.57 | torpor | jpcass: bitbake icu-native-3.6 -c mrproper |
| 15:53.59 | Shoragan | jpcass, it has problems while linking to your host's libstdc++ |
| 15:55.49 | jpcass | torpor: mrproper worked, am now trying again but have not changed anything re: my libstdc++ ... |
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| 15:57.18 | bedboi | so the question for today is: Is there any news for the shipment dates (today is 10!)? |
| 15:58.00 | jpcass | task do_compile started ... wait... |
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| 15:58.19 | SpeedEvil | bedboi: couple of weeks maybe |
| 15:58.29 | SpeedEvil | And yes, the banner still says the 10th |
| 15:58.54 | jpcass | same error :-( |
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| 16:00.26 | jpcass | ive got two libstdc++: 5.0.7 and 6.0.8, i guess its linking to 6 - do others have something different? |
| 16:00.53 | bedboi | SpeedEvil: so i definitely have to cancel the order |
| 16:01.00 | bedboi | i'm quite pissed off |
| 16:01.05 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 16:01.08 | dcordes | bedboi: what's wrong? :( |
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| 16:01.16 | bedboi | a couple of weeks man |
| 16:01.21 | bedboi | it's not a couple of days |
| 16:01.25 | bedboi | it's not serious |
| 16:01.29 | SpeedEvil | That's as far as I'm aware, I haven't got sources for that. |
| 16:01.40 | jpcass | short time in politics, long time in opensource... |
| 16:01.40 | bedboi | i'll get a motorola |
| 16:01.51 | SpeedEvil | It's on teh mailing list. |
| 16:02.08 | bedboi | jpcass: it's not about politics. |
| 16:02.21 | Obri | hhf423_w: try http://obri.sygroup.ch/deploy/ipk/armv4t/openmoko-dialer2_0.1.0+svnr2946-r5_armv4t.ipk |
| 16:02.22 | bedboi | i'm going to go back in italy at the end of the month |
| 16:02.38 | bedboi | jpcass: i'm quite sure that the package won't arrive till the end of the month |
| 16:02.48 | bedboi | plus, i don't have a mobile phone right now. |
| 16:03.15 | jpcass | mine arrived 2 days after i left london for a us trip. i could have picked the damn thing up personally! |
| 16:03.32 | jpcass | bedboi: ps: not having a mobile phone is very much like having a neo ;-) |
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| 16:03.51 | bedboi | jpcass: btw at least you have something |
| 16:04.10 | bedboi | you can make it work |
| 16:04.19 | bedboi | btw that's not the main point |
| 16:04.35 | CM | Mine hangs when trying to start X with an image built today (known error at least) |
| 16:05.08 | enodev | Error: "Not connected to network. Current Status: Home network registered" ? |
| 16:05.10 | hhf423_w | Obri: how can I install that easily? |
| 16:05.55 | hhf423_w | ah, ok |
| 16:05.55 | Obri | hhf423_w: download the file to the neo and install it with ipkg install /path/to/openmoko-dialer2_0.1.0+svnr2946-r5_armv4t.ipk |
| 16:07.19 | enodev | ipkg update && upgrade from today, w/ gsmd restart hack |
| 16:07.49 | hhf423_w | enodev: see the msg fro Obri , try the new dialer |
| 16:08.18 | enodev | could you report the url? i joined too late |
| 16:08.31 | hhf423_w | http://obri.sygroup.ch/deploy/ipk/armv4t/openmoko-dialer2_0.1.0+svnr2946-r5_armv4t.ipk |
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| 16:09.35 | hhf423_w | Obri: thanks, do I have to use any --force statements? It says: Multiple packages (openmoko-dialer2 and openmoko-dialer2) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. |
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| 16:10.48 | enodev | hrm even after ipkg -force_depends remove openmoko-dialer2, i get the same error as hhf423_w |
| 16:11.04 | Obri | hhf423_w: hm, good question |
| 16:12.55 | hhf423_w | ah, well, lets see what it does after a reboot |
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| 16:13.40 | Obri | cd /etc/ipkg && wget http://obri.sygroup.ch/obri.conf && ipkg update && ipkg install openmoko-dialer2 |
| 16:13.42 | jpcass | anyone got ideas why a link to my host libstdc++ would fail in package icu-native??? |
| 16:13.57 | enodev | with force_overwrite it works |
| 16:14.40 | bedboi | i've sent a mail to the orders guys |
| 16:14.46 | bedboi | let's see what happens |
| 16:15.35 | hhf423_w | oooh, I am allowed to do calls again! |
| 16:15.53 | hhf423_w | Obri: it worked after a reboot even without force statements |
| 16:16.20 | hhf423_w | I was just about to open a bug, no need to do that now :-) |
| 16:17.46 | jpcass | what the hell is icu-native anyway? and why is it getting in the way of me making an image for my neo! |
| 16:20.18 | hhf423_w | jpcass: "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my harddisk?" :-) |
| 16:21.13 | Lynet | "Who is Colonel Panic?" |
| 16:21.23 | jpcass | i wish General Failure would kick the ass of this obnoxious package! |
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| 16:21.33 | Writchi1 | hhf423_w: the colonel reports to the general |
| 16:21.52 | dcordes | why are there no instant messengers in the repos? |
| 16:22.04 | mwester | Whose side are the zombie processes on, though? |
| 16:22.48 | hhf423_w | hahaha |
| 16:23.06 | hhf423_w | dcordes: good question. a pidgin would be nice |
| 16:23.15 | sandos | :) |
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| 16:24.13 | jpcass | will someone who CAN compile icu-native please let me know what version libstdc++ they have? |
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| 16:29.19 | CM | jpcass: I struggeled with that a while ago, never got around it until I restarted from scratch.. :-/ |
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| 16:30.24 | jpcass | CM: what do you mean 'scratch' ? i've done a bitbake mrproper which is about as scratchy as you can get! |
| 16:30.44 | jpcass | CM: did you reinstall your host OS? |
| 16:30.50 | CM | Hehe, no |
| 16:30.53 | emdete | jpcass: wget ...Makefile is what i do for 'from scratch'... |
| 16:31.17 | CM | I built it with the make file like emdete said |
| 16:31.25 | CM | New dir, wget makefile, ... |
| 16:31.53 | jpcass | hmm.. thats what Im doing...its all 'fresh'... |
| 16:31.56 | CM | I suck at using bitbake, so I'm sure there's some better way |
| 16:32.14 | CM | Is it nothing in bugzilla about your problem? |
| 16:32.37 | jpcass | CM: havent checked - will look now, but no one here seems to have it... |
| 16:33.35 | jpcass | "Zarro Boogs found." - dont think its a bug, some kind of configuration mismatch I think ... |
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| 16:34.01 | jpcass | CM: what version libstdc++ do you have in /usr/lib ? |
| 16:35.01 | CM | libstdc++-v3-3.3.6 |
| 16:35.31 | CM | Ehh.. libstdc++.so.5.0.7 |
| 16:35.48 | CM | gentoo 64-bit |
| 16:36.05 | jpcass | CM: thanks - i have two, that and 6.0.8 - i have removed 6.0.8 temporarily see if it works... |
| 16:38.51 | jpcass | do_compile started ... wait ... |
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| 16:43.47 | PBeck | hi |
| 16:46.04 | jpcass | nope still failing - its looking for libstdc++.so.6 ! |
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| 17:15.21 | CM | hhf423_w: Thanks :D (Updating that page every now and then keeps it on the Recent Changes page.. :) |
| 17:15.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0]] [[User:ChrisLord]] [[PulseAudio]] [[Power_management_menu]] [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[Neod]] [[Functions_menu]] [[SMSTool]] [[SettingsGUI]] [[Neo1973_power_button]] [[Neo1973_and_Windows]] |
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| 17:19.16 | vallor | okay, now the damned thing keeps shutting off, even when fully booted up |
| 17:19.26 | vallor | and with the usb plugged in |
| 17:19.47 | CM | vallor: Mine doesn't even start any more, hangs on loading the GUI |
| 17:20.45 | Fatal | hhf423_w: (sorry for late reply) yes |
| 17:20.55 | vallor | CM: there's a change you can make in your boot environment that might fix that -- or at least, fixed it for me |
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| 17:21.10 | Ghiottone | hello mokoers |
| 17:21.23 | vallor | CM: do you know where the shutoff-timer config would be located? |
| 17:22.02 | CM | Nope, but what if you disable the powermanager? |
| 17:22.26 | CM | Iirc there's some issue with that, try turning it off |
| 17:24.15 | CM | That is by holding in the power button while the neo is on and disable it |
| 17:25.00 | vallor | ah, will try |
| 17:25.22 | vallor | woot! |
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| 17:25.31 | vallor | it was set to "full PM" |
| 17:25.42 | vallor | changed to "no PM" |
| 17:25.48 | CM | Ah, that should help |
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| 17:26.59 | vallor | oh, btw -- whoever was porting emacs to the thing -- there's an editor that can act like a "basic emacs", it's jmacs -- which is "joe" with special keybindings |
| 17:27.25 | vallor | joe is small and wiry, so it makes sense for an embedded app |
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| 17:29.12 | CM | You really need a bt keyboard to use emacs on it |
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| 17:31.59 | mwester | vallor: joe is now in the feeds. |
| 17:32.28 | dcordes_ | is it possible to configure matchbox input manager so the xkbd does not pop in everytime i change the term? |
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| 17:32.45 | vallor | mwester: !!!! thank you :) |
| 17:33.03 | mwester | :) I didn't do it; I just noticed that rwhitby did it last night. |
| 17:33.07 | vallor | I've been a joe fan since I first started using Linux -- way back in '92 (boy I feel old) |
| 17:33.16 | vallor | oh, hmm |
| 17:33.32 | vallor | do you know the package name? |
| 17:34.20 | mwester | If the autobuilder got to it yet, it should just be "ipkg install joe" |
| 17:34.35 | vallor | oh, tried that a few minutes ago, no joy |
| 17:34.48 | vallor | no joy for joe, but I'll be patient :) |
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| 17:35.19 | hhf423_w | CM: np |
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| 17:35.45 | hhf423_w | Fatal outch |
| 17:35.56 | hhf423_w | hi Ghiottone |
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| 17:37.32 | Ghiottone | hey hhf423_w |
| 17:38.09 | hhf423_w | no, joe is not there |
| 17:38.24 | hhf423_w | but vi is enough! |
| 17:38.51 | hhf423_w | "vi -- beginners pronounce it 'Why I?'" |
| 17:38.58 | vallor | let's not get into religious editor debates -- we use what we like to use, and that's okay, because it is the Unix way! |
| 17:39.22 | hhf423_w | vallor: if it does not work, reboot is the unix way... |
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| 17:39.56 | vallor | actually, reboot is the windows way |
| 17:40.11 | hhf423_w | vallor: then you have not been around long enough |
| 17:40.12 | vallor | Linux systems can generally be "fixed" without rebooting |
| 17:40.35 | vallor | or I'm better at good uptimes ;P |
| 17:41.20 | hhf423_w | or, as some people said, the only thing a SUN does good, is, it boots fast |
| 17:41.24 | vallor | btw, what's funny is I've got another embedded Linux system that I just started working on -- a meraki |
| 17:41.35 | hhf423_w | if you want to see a SUN at its best, reboot it! |
| 17:41.52 | hhf423_w | but that was ages ago. now SUNs do not even boot fast anymore |
| 17:41.54 | vallor | well, that's sun |
| 17:42.40 | vallor | alas, you are correct |
| 17:43.32 | Ghiottone | mmm I booted the neo. the panel wasn't showing. probably crashed |
| 17:43.45 | Ghiottone | then I ipkg updated && upgraded and rebooted |
| 17:43.56 | Ghiottone | but it is still not showing !?!? |
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| 17:44.02 | Ghiottone | any known issue? |
| 17:44.22 | hhf423_w | Ghiottone: the top menu panel or what? |
| 17:44.54 | vallor | yesterday, some kind folks helped me with removing the "console=" line from the boot parameters |
| 17:44.54 | Ghiottone | top right panel. that which contains the applets |
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| 17:45.06 | Ghiottone | after an X server restart it works |
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| 17:46.09 | hhf423_w | Ghiottone: I have my status documented in phase 1 software testing. a change to uboot parameters and the usual in /etc/matchbox/session |
| 17:46.29 | polz | btw, how come the netmask on the Neo is set to 255.255.255.0 by default ? Wouldn't 255.255.255.192 make more sense ? |
| 17:46.57 | Ghiottone | hhf423_w, the gsmd restart thing? I thought that that issue was closed as from recent commits |
| 17:47.00 | hhf423_w | polz: because 192.168.0.x is originally class c? |
| 17:47.15 | hhf423_w | Ghiottone: not really if you ask me :-) |
| 17:47.16 | Ghiottone | recent = today's... maybe buildhost has not compiled it yet |
| 17:47.38 | hhf423_w | Ghiottone: right, the most resent image is from yesterday or so |
| 17:47.55 | hhf423_w | autsch: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjA0NQ |
| 17:48.05 | hhf423_w | UPS does not deliver december 25 in Germany |
| 17:48.42 | hhf423_w | in any case, december 25 I am already in berlin |
| 17:49.38 | hhf423_w | Ghiottone: oh, new images just showed up on buildhost |
| 17:49.59 | chris^^ | Just a little question. I found nothing about DECT in your Wiki? Isn't it planned? |
| 17:50.12 | Ghiottone | hhf423_w, that means that it has just finished rebuilding all the packages |
| 17:50.40 | hhf423_w | chris^^: I think DECT is not planned, no |
| 17:51.08 | hhf423_w | chris^^: at home, you will probably be able to use WLAN for dialing out etc |
| 17:51.18 | hhf423_w | chris^^: using VoIP |
| 17:51.26 | chris^^ | well, but I'm often at events, friends, parents and so on |
| 17:51.32 | chris^^ | somewhere I have DECT but no wireless |
| 17:53.23 | hhf423_w | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware#DECT.2FGAP |
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| 17:54.07 | Maledikt | anyone got a link for the user manual for the S3C2442 ? |
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| 18:02.10 | chris^^ | hhf423_w: yes, just a wish, not a plan to implement ;) |
| 18:04.35 | hhf423_w | chris^^: right. I deem it unlikely |
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| 18:05.07 | hhf423_w | chris^^: also, UMTS mico cells may come fast and will replace DECT |
| 18:05.21 | chris^^ | hopefully |
| 18:05.24 | chris^^ | :) |
| 18:06.10 | hhf423_w | chris^^: and probably one should talk to e.g. people like eventphone and see if VoIP phoce can not be integrated, so that people could use DECT or WLAN |
| 18:06.32 | chris^^ | that can be done |
| 18:06.40 | chris^^ | but it isn't only eventphone |
| 18:06.53 | SpeedEvil | DECT can't be done. |
| 18:07.03 | SpeedEvil | As you can't talk DECT without a DECT radio. |
| 18:07.09 | SpeedEvil | which the thing does not have. |
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| 18:11.19 | vallor | is "neod" the X server for the beasty -- and if so, can I send it a HUP to restart X? |
| 18:11.32 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 18:11.36 | SpeedEvil | Xfvdev |
| 18:11.41 | SpeedEvil | Xfbdev |
| 18:11.48 | vallor | ah, there I see that |
| 18:12.36 | vallor | dang, sending it a hup didn't re-exec it, it just shut down |
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| 18:14.06 | SpeedEvil | Xserver I think to restart |
| 18:15.25 | vallor | just sussed that out by looking in /etc/X11 :) :) |
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| 18:16.05 | polz | how can I write the changed environment in uboot |
| 18:16.15 | tuukkah | saveenv |
| 18:16.40 | polz | 10x, I'm obviously an analphabet |
| 18:17.09 | hhf423_w | vallor: to restart x do: |
| 18:17.50 | hhf423_w | do /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
| 18:18.02 | vallor | oh okay |
| 18:19.21 | vallor | I'm good :) |
| 18:19.36 | vallor | I even have my applet panel back :) |
| 18:20.32 | vallor | looks like something is ptracing all the X apps... |
| 18:23.27 | vallor | I'm wondering if gsmd needs a re-write :\ |
| 18:23.51 | hhf423_w | vallor: don't wonder |
| 18:24.21 | hhf423_w | vallor: gsmd needs a rewrite, everyone knows that, even the OpenMoko team. |
| 18:24.49 | hhf423_w | but knowing something and acting on the knowledge are two things |
| 18:26.10 | vallor | I was asking in terms of me getting off my lazy a** and doing something, like giving gsmd a once-over |
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| 18:27.04 | hhf423_w | vallor: lots of beer await the one who fixes gsmd :-) |
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| 18:27.47 | vallor | hehe, now dialer says "not connected to network. Current status = Home network registerd |
| 18:27.51 | vallor | " |
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| 18:31.23 | vallor | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/ <--- place to get latest snapshot? |
| 18:31.58 | tuukkah | there are also daily snapshots |
| 18:32.35 | vallor | ah "MokoMakefile" is what I need :) :) |
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| 18:43.29 | Ghiottone | the new frontpage of the wiki is stunning |
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| 18:46.43 | hhf423_w | vallor: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#GSM_10 |
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| 18:47.03 | vallor | okay |
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| 18:48.21 | hhf423_w | vallor: the latest semiofficial stuff is always here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/?C=M;O=D |
| 18:48.37 | hhf423_w | for other repositories see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories |
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| 18:50.20 | vallor | thank you! I got the new dialer and installed... |
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| 18:51.59 | vallor | the dialer dialed! |
| 18:52.44 | vallor | meanwhile "make setup" is getting http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.35.mtn.bz2 |
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| 18:55.33 | ozarka | vallor: Did anyone answer your call? |
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| 18:58.12 | SpeedEvil | UK - channel 4 - a bit on the first mobile phones. |
| 18:58.18 | SpeedEvil | (which they placed 25 years ago) |
| 18:58.22 | vallor | ozarka: oh, I just called my treo then hung up w/out answering |
| 18:58.29 | SpeedEvil | with text speak as subtitles. |
| 18:59.20 | ozarka | Sad. First call with the Neo and it didn't even get to talk to anyone. |
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| 18:59.50 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: where have you the information for the gta02 release from? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 |
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| 19:00.56 | vallor | ozarka: aw! I made calls last night, using libgsmd-tool |
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| 19:01.21 | vallor | will test dialer... |
| 19:01.31 | ozarka | vallor: Don't try. It's not the same. The moment is gone. :-( |
| 19:01.49 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: mickey l here in channel |
| 19:02.04 | SpeedEvil | and last time timelines for GTA01 |
| 19:02.14 | vallor | hmm, it isn't dialing now... |
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| 19:02.19 | SpeedEvil | it was slightly fudged. |
| 19:02.35 | vallor | gsmd died :\ |
| 19:02.43 | SpeedEvil | but I'd like to see reasons why any stage should be much faster. |
| 19:03.28 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: hm really? where can i find the timelines? |
| 19:03.57 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 19:04.34 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, due to the lack of annoucements at the time, and the drips of information that happened last time, I can't cite a nice source. |
| 19:05.04 | SpeedEvil | IRC and mailing list is about as good as it gets. |
| 19:05.57 | vallor | well, okay -- dialer worked the first time, but now isn't working -- seems to do everything ui-wise, but doesn't actually go off-hook and dial |
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| 19:06.17 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: hum a german magazine has gripped the informations about the timeline |
| 19:07.01 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 19:07.20 | hhf423_w | PBeck: which magazine |
| 19:07.22 | SpeedEvil | I am in the process of logging in to comment on that |
| 19:07.31 | PBeck | hhf423_w: pro-linux.de |
| 19:07.47 | hhf423_w | vallor: did you do the uboot variables change? |
| 19:07.56 | SpeedEvil | I'd hoped that it was clear enough that it was an estimated timeline by the 'this is an estimated timeline' before it. |
| 19:08.02 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: no person reads the inofficial part ;) |
| 19:08.11 | vallor | hhf423_w: if you mean removing the "console=blahblah" line -- yes indeed, change made last night :) |
| 19:08.12 | hhf423_w | PBeck: ah, yes, I saw that |
| 19:08.15 | SpeedEvil | And the package service. |
| 19:08.32 | hhf423_w | vallor: hmm, dialer does not die after a call for me |
| 19:08.56 | vallor | oh, dialer isn't dying, it just doesn't seem to do anything but display the ui |
| 19:09.02 | vallor | I'll try calling in |
| 19:09.04 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: thats sadly |
| 19:09.24 | hhf423_w | vallor: well, what I meant. I can make multiple calls in a row |
| 19:09.59 | vallor | hhf423_w: I wonder if the fact that I hung up on the first call w/out letting it answer might have cornfused it |
| 19:10.40 | hhf423_w | vallor: well, it is of course easy to confuse dialer and gsmd, but hanging up before someone picks up also works for me |
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| 19:10.48 | vallor | oh, heck |
| 19:10.54 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: i hope we get a few official informations in the near feature :) |
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| 19:16.09 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FreeBSD]] [[Talk:MacOS_X]] [[GTA02_Openness]] [[GPS]] [[Current_events]] [[Press_Coverage]] |
| 19:18.16 | enodev_ | SpeedEvil: it's also on lwn.net |
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| 19:31.13 | vallor | _[/Desktop/Openmoko/moko]_(scott@eva)_ |
| 19:31.13 | vallor | $ make openmoko-devel-image |
| 19:31.16 | vallor | here it goes! |
| 19:32.39 | vallor | "NOTE: Psyco JIT Compiler (http://psyco.sf.net) not available. Install it to increase performance." <---- is it worth bothering with to install this PJC? |
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| 19:33.49 | roh | vallor yep. psycho really speeds up the buildsys |
| 19:33.53 | Shoragan | vallor, it's a lot faster with it |
| 19:34.00 | vallor | okay, will get it |
| 19:34.13 | alphaone | Unfortunately it's not available for x86_64 |
| 19:35.03 | roh | alphaone hehe... yep.. too sad it works well without, is just slow.. esle there woul be enough 'leidesdruck' to port it |
| 19:35.05 | vallor | well, I could build Psyco |
| 19:35.10 | roh | +n |
| 19:35.27 | alphaone | roh: Right :-) |
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| 19:37.59 | vallor | c/codegen.h:16:3: error: #error "Sorry, non-32-bit platforms are not supported at all." |
| 19:37.59 | vallor | c/codegen.h:17:3: error: #error "You may try with a Python compiled in 32-bit " blah blah .... ugh |
| 19:38.31 | mjr | psyco? |
| 19:38.39 | mjr | just ditch it, not required |
| 19:38.43 | Shoragan | vallor, it's a jit compiler for python |
| 19:38.51 | vallor | but doesn't it speed things up? |
| 19:39.30 | vallor | (meanwhile, I just restarted the make openmoko-devel-image ) |
| 19:39.43 | Shoragan | it make a difference mostly for parsing the .bb files |
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| 19:40.01 | Shoragan | the rest of bitbake it not cpu-bound |
| 19:40.07 | vallor | Shoragan: oh -- it's up to 55% on that already |
| 19:40.31 | Ghiottone | anyone tried SettingsGUI recently? |
| 19:41.10 | vallor | this is a core 2 quad 2.4GHz, clocked at 3.05GHz, with DDR-3 1333 memory, and the FSB set to 1333 |
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| 19:41.22 | vallor | so I'm curious how fast it does the make |
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| 19:42.02 | Malebob | grml. sh != bash |
| 19:43.16 | tuukkah | vallor, did you remember to configure parallel compiling? |
| 19:43.27 | vallor | tuukkah: I did indeed :) |
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| 19:48.19 | vallor | oh this is weird -- SELinux is complaining about some of the things this make process is doing... |
| 19:48.30 | vallor | (I have it set to permissive, so no problem -- just weird it would pop up) |
| 19:48.47 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: seeming unlikely from what mikeyl and ro h were saying |
| 19:49.12 | SpeedEvil | The issue seems to be that they think that releasing no date is better than releasing dates which may slip. |
| 19:49.21 | SpeedEvil | Which I fundamentally disagree with. |
| 19:49.21 | mwester | vallor: selinux is evil. Turn it off... |
| 19:49.54 | vallor | mwester: I used to think that, but it's handy in permissive mode with my distro |
| 19:50.06 | vallor | let's me know when "unusual" things happen :) |
| 19:50.18 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: releasing dates which slip is not good PR, but no informationen for a open phone is not a good idea i think |
| 19:50.32 | PBeck | ,too |
| 19:50.37 | mwester | SpeedEvil: I agree with you; I've already had a conversation with certain core team folks that have convinced me that while they have great technical ability, they need a marketing genius on staff. |
| 19:50.55 | SpeedEvil | IMO, dates with additional caveats are fine, as long as they are very public. |
| 19:51.04 | SpeedEvil | And the caveats are public. |
| 19:51.18 | SpeedEvil | No, we can't cope with what third party publications will do. |
| 19:52.05 | roh | mwester i think the big point is that its not yet donw. thus we do no marketing because even if there would be real endusers, we would have no ressources at all supporting them |
| 19:52.18 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: i think so too. But the press has a different view |
| 19:52.36 | SpeedEvil | Developers are users of a form too. |
| 19:52.56 | SpeedEvil | Especially ones that are considering purchasing hardware. |
| 19:53.00 | roh | mwester currently we only can support developers, and even that only barely. the support is basically... eh.. yeah.. youre standing it it |
| 19:53.00 | mwester | Developers *ARE* the users. |
| 19:53.21 | roh | mwester no. developers do not buy because of the color. they buy because of features. |
| 19:53.44 | tuukkah | roh, that's simplifying a bit too much i think |
| 19:53.50 | SpeedEvil | Developers may also get annoyed and wander away from the project if not fed any information at all. |
| 19:54.25 | SpeedEvil | And yes, there is of course information on some things coming out. |
| 19:54.41 | mwester | I fear we must simply agree to disagree, roh -- nobody wants this to succeed more than I, and I grow increasingly worried about the perception that the P1 owners are NOT customers... |
| 19:55.11 | tuukkah | both developers and non-technical people do a lot of decisions based on the image they get of the company and the product |
| 19:55.49 | mwester | I don't make my comments to discourage people, or to upset the core team -- rather I comment because I feel so strongly that these issues need to be discussed and addressed in order for this to be a success. |
| 19:56.06 | iandouglas736 | are there any known issues with compiling on Gentoo with the openmoko-terminal2 package not finding 'vte' as a requirement? |
| 19:56.09 | roh | tuukkah i think not. its as ugly as that. we get loads of requests from people just searching for their new phone which sadly not have any clue about what were doing here. even kids who find the case nice and funny. but we don't have anybody who could possibly take care of customer support at that point. were just not there yet. besides that, customer support for a unfinished product ist messy and not helping as long as the promised features are not coded yet. |
| 19:56.50 | iandouglas736 | i have vte v0.16.6-r1 installed via 'emerge' but compiling the openmoko-devel-image halts on openmoko-terminal2 saying 'vte' wasn't found |
| 19:57.13 | roh | mwester the p1 owners are customers. but not 'users' in a common sense. they are developers and thus have a total different recognignition of technology. |
| 19:57.22 | roh | P1 is like a development board |
| 19:57.25 | Ghiottone | iandouglas736, try make rebuild-package-vte |
| 19:57.34 | roh | no user would ever buy (or should) a develboard. |
| 19:57.35 | tuukkah | roh, i'm not saying we should already advertise for non-technical users. i'm saying the openmoko brand can be hurt already before advertisement |
| 19:57.36 | SpeedEvil | There is a difference between not providing customer support, and not spending 5% of the time you answer questions making a public FAQ. |
| 19:57.45 | iandouglas736 | Ghiottone: thanks, trying now |
| 19:57.49 | roh | tuukkah yes. |
| 19:57.57 | SpeedEvil | Even a brief explanation of why you can't release certain information. |
| 19:58.08 | vallor | personally, I'm seeing a lot of "make" systems cohabitating, some of which I've never heard of -- that's okay, but I want to start looking at the gsmd code, not play "science fair" with this bitbake... <---- contructive criticism, please don't take personally! 8D |
| 19:58.28 | roh | SpeedEvil easiest one: because we do not know yet ourselves |
| 19:58.36 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] [[Community_nominees_for_GTA02_P0]] |
| 19:59.03 | roh | SpeedEvil faq do not help at all. believe me. people do not read them. |
| 19:59.40 | SpeedEvil | There is some information that you certainly know. Will GTA02 go on sale next week - for example. There is presumably a minimum possible timeline that it might ship by if everything falls right. This is very unlikely to slip in the 'quicker' direction. |
| 19:59.46 | roh | SpeedEvil and i say that because i see the questions people have and answer them if i find the time, not seldomly ba giving them pointers to the right corner of the wiki |
| 19:59.54 | SpeedEvil | No, of course you can't give an upper bound. |
| 20:00.55 | roh | SpeedEvil the best guess i can give you is 'there will be some hardware for the core devs this month' and 'sales will not start next week' ;) |
| 20:00.57 | SpeedEvil | But, if for example someone might find GTA02 hardware useful for a project that starts on Oct 24, for example, simply knowing that it certainly won't be available is a good thing. |
| 20:01.05 | mwester | roh: consider a strategy of identifying a set of developer/customers who can function as ambassadors/developer-support for OpenMoko -- then the core team can focus on answering *their* questions, and allow that "inner circle" of clued-in developers to support the rest of the community. |
| 20:01.29 | mwester | roh: Many of that set of developers are here, on this channel... |
| 20:01.48 | SpeedEvil | Thanks. I gathered probably not this week :) |
| 20:01.53 | vallor | [ Sidenote: I'm very grateful that folks have been giving me wiki pointers in the channel here -- thanks guys! :) ] |
| 20:02.31 | roh | mwester i'm currently working with michael on a concept how to make the flow of informations steadier and getting more informations out regularly. please be patient, that does not work in 1-2 days. |
| 20:02.55 | mwester | Understand - we'll wait. |
| 20:03.26 | SpeedEvil | More seriously, thanks for all the work roh. |
| 20:03.33 | SpeedEvil | And everyone. |
| 20:03.33 | roh | mwester and yes. we are totally buzzed and greatful to all the people helping us by maintaining in the wiki, answering questions and so on. we could not have come so far without. |
| 20:03.36 | tuukkah | roh, https://direct.openmoko.com/ still starts with information about August. i'd suggest updating it to say a new batch is scheduled and put a new lower bound plus something like "expected to ship this month" |
| 20:04.00 | SpeedEvil | Core devs != public availablity of GTA02 |
| 20:04.28 | roh | at least since we opened up |
| 20:04.52 | roh | tuukkah i have that on my todo already. |
| 20:05.05 | tuukkah | cool |
| 20:05.29 | SpeedEvil | A simple way would be 24*7 public webcams on all the core team. We can then document from there. :) |
| 20:06.36 | mwester | hehe! |
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| 20:07.21 | hhf423_w | hehe |
| 20:07.43 | roh | SpeedEvil i think there would be some womans arguing against that |
| 20:07.46 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.53 | hhf423_w | and a german BundesTrojaner on every PC/Laptop so that we can see what they are working on. |
| 20:08.28 | roh | be honestt.. youre just missing our quality pr0n ;) |
| 20:09.09 | cb22_ | roh, i hope it isnt taiwanize pr0n :p |
| 20:09.16 | mwester | Actually, to be serious, one thing I'd certainly like would be a note on some of the bugs filed if the core team knows something that we don't -- e.g. if the core team has already started to rewrite/fix gsmd, then perhaps we can avoid wasting time working on it anymore... |
| 20:09.32 | cb22_ | i hear up there the men get a little, eh, confused |
| 20:09.47 | aloril | btw.. have you ever seen something like this with Neo1973: "kernel: usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -62\nkernel: usb 3-2: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 9\nkernel: usb 3-2: device not accepting address 9, error -62" |
| 20:10.01 | mwester | aloril: on the host or on the new? |
| 20:10.05 | aloril | on host |
| 20:10.08 | ghiottone | vallor, gsmd source is in package libgsmd |
| 20:10.11 | roh | mwester thats what bugzilla is for |
| 20:10.33 | vallor | ghiottone: thank you :) |
| 20:10.38 | roh | mwester i think everybody in the coreteam gets bugzilla as mail also |
| 20:10.47 | aloril | it was connected OK, then got disconnected (while did nothing on Neo1973 or cable) and then above when trying to reconnect |
| 20:10.50 | roh | meaning every change as a mail in a folder |
| 20:10.50 | vallor | aloril: I've seen it when my usb hub acts up, I have to reboot the hub to clear the problem |
| 20:10.51 | ghiottone | vallor, did you read what I wrote before? |
| 20:11.00 | ghiottone | vallor, maybe I got a net problem :/ |
| 20:11.22 | vallor | ghiottone: let me scroll up -- I've been fighting with getting the mokomakefile running |
| 20:11.27 | hhf423_w | mwester: if you want to know what people are working on, its easy just to look into the commitlog ml. there you can see that e.g. harald is still working on uboot, mickey on terminal2, sometimes dialer2 etc. and exactly noone is working on gsmd |
| 20:11.36 | aloril | vallor: hmm.. same thing on other machine too, anyway rebooted, took battery out of Neo1973 (I wonder how long to be sure it has been fully reseted?) |
| 20:11.47 | mwester | Roh: I would hope so - I'm just asking that a note in bugzilla such as "I think I know what this is, I will write a patch as soon as I have time, please don't anybody waste time trying to fix this without board schematics or my knowlege." That would be good information :) |
| 20:12.01 | roh | hhf423_w devels not only work on software which is tracked by bugzilla |
| 20:12.21 | roh | hhf423_w harald is mostly busy because of gta02. and sorry. i cannot provide details there |
| 20:13.09 | vallor | ghiottone: I did post "thank you" :) -- I'm about to just drill down and look at the individual package, but I was hoping to have a successful "make world" before poking at things |
| 20:13.14 | hhf423_w | mwester: so far, if I have filed a bug in bugzilla, I got good response. e.g. on bluetooth issues |
| 20:13.21 | roh | mwester see bug 788, harald made a comment and put it onto his todo.. if someone fixes it before he does, be shure he will use that informations. |
| 20:14.06 | ghiottone | vallor, ok my messages went lost then. when you have downloaded the MokoMakeFile just do a make setup update |
| 20:14.12 | mwester | roh: that one is an excellent example of where a few moments spent by harald have been very very helpful! |
| 20:14.13 | hhf423_w | roh: but bugzilla is not the same as commitlog ?! |
| 20:14.15 | ghiottone | vallor, this will set things up the correct way |
| 20:14.21 | vallor | the problem I ran into (and fixed here) is that gnu-configize wasn't in the path |
| 20:14.34 | roh | bugzilla is great for such communications since it enforces some tabelaric view and a progress. makes it much easier to work with than loads of unsorted mails. especially since working mail and or stating the question or problem concrete seems to be a problem |
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| 20:14.55 | vallor | ghiottone: yes sir, that what I'm doing, and it's crapping out on "bunutils-cross" :\ |
| 20:14.58 | vallor | er |
| 20:15.05 | vallor | take two: ghiottone: yes sir, that what I'm doing, and it's crapping out on "binutils-cross" :\ |
| 20:15.21 | ghiottone | vallor, lol. you don't have to build all to get the sources |
| 20:15.47 | hhf423_w | say, is there any news on whats beween us and a working gps? |
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| 20:15.58 | ghiottone | vallor, just do: . setup.env; cd build; bitbake -c fetch libgsmd ; bitbake -c unpack libgsmd |
| 20:16.18 | vallor | ghiottone: okay, I'll do that -- thank you! :) |
| 20:16.19 | roh | hhf423_w commitlog is just a log what was done. nothing which helps communicating bi-directional |
| 20:16.44 | ghiottone | vallor, np :) sources will be here tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libgsmd-0.1+svnr2806-r24/gsm/src/gsmd |
| 20:18.50 | vallor | I'm looking at the sources now... |
| 20:18.56 | hhf423_w | roh: sure, but you can see what part of the openmoko stuff people are actually working on. its informational, at least I think it is |
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| 20:20.02 | hhf423_w | does anyone know if the graphical application manager is actually installable yet? ipkg install? |
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| 20:28.37 | vallor | ghiottone: pardon me if this is a dumb question, but are you the libgsmd/gsmd developer? |
| 20:29.26 | ghiottone | vallor, no. just another moko owner |
| 20:29.33 | vallor | :) ^5 |
| 20:29.46 | hhf423_w | vallor: there currently seems to be no gsmd developer |
| 20:29.54 | vallor | huh |
| 20:30.59 | vallor | seems like a pretty core item -- I'm looking to see if I can wrap my head around it |
| 20:31.14 | ghiottone | huh? I thought somebody from OM was working on it? |
| 20:33.51 | vallor | ghiottone: or maybe someone from this project just needs to liason with the OM developer |
| 20:34.38 | hhf423_w | ghiottone: vallor there was the rumor that OpenMoko is planning to hire someone or that someone from the staff would look at it |
| 20:34.59 | ghiottone | oh |
| 20:35.01 | ghiottone | I see |
| 20:35.06 | hhf423_w | but you can clearly see from the commitlog that there is basically nothing going on wrt gsmd |
| 20:35.13 | roh | ghiottone harald did the initial design, and mostly maintains it. but recently he is very thin on time. |
| 20:35.42 | roh | ghiottone there also were a lot of patches which he merged some time ago |
| 20:36.40 | ghiottone | I thought I saw some commits on gsdm today regarding command sequences |
| 20:36.53 | hhf423_w | a week ago I would have had the hope that after putting some nice features that would help with gsmd development into uboot (mainly gsm passthrough) he would start cleaning up gsmd, but is looks like he is now working on other things |
| 20:37.12 | ghiottone | something like fixing that only one command is sent at once... so I thought it was being developed |
| 20:37.39 | ghiottone | hhf423_w, pity. I think that a working gsmd is the most wanted feature |
| 20:38.07 | ghiottone | so that I can show the neo to friends without having to do long talks and tell excuses |
| 20:38.11 | hhf423_w | ghiottone: I agree |
| 20:38.27 | hhf423_w | ghiottone: exactly :-) |
| 20:38.29 | vallor | hehehe |
| 20:38.41 | vallor | or have gsmd crap out when you send it an sms... |
| 20:38.42 | ghiottone | so far, only the friend of mine who work on free sw appreciated it |
| 20:38.46 | vallor | (which just happened to me) |
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| 20:39.32 | hhf423_w | vallor: did you use SMStool? |
| 20:39.54 | hhf423_w | vallor: from the commitlog, if any, thomas at sita.openmoko.org is working on gsmd related stuff |
| 20:40.09 | vallor | hhf423_w: ah, thank you! |
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| 20:40.29 | ghiottone | hey El_Salvador |
| 20:40.53 | ghiottone | where can I get SMStool? |
| 20:40.57 | hhf423_w | hmm, if I could extract commitlog somehow I could do trends on what feature receives most changes per week |
| 20:41.12 | vallor | I'm not sure about the smstool -- I just used my treo to send an sms to the neo -- it didn't do anything, and upon checking, gsmd had stopped |
| 20:41.14 | hhf423_w | ghiottone: look up SMStool in wiki |
| 20:41.42 | hhf423_w | its from Kriss |
| 20:41.59 | Kero | right. I can covnert my addressbook to evoltion stuff. Too bad I have to drop info (or is there a way to store >3 addresses, home, work, other? who thought up those limitations?) |
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| 20:43.50 | ghiottone | hhf423_w, ok. wow. Kriss is a working hard developer. maybe I can package smstool too, if he had not already done it |
| 20:44.16 | hhf423_w | at the beginning of august, gsmd received a lot of attention from laforge/harald, but not much since then |
| 20:44.30 | ghiottone | hhf423_w, I bet there are a lot of statistic showing tools for subversion |
| 20:44.32 | hhf423_w | ghiottone: I think he has not done it |
| 20:44.35 | tuukkah | hhf423_w, at least you can check out the svn repo and run svn log |
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| 20:44.43 | Kero | next, I'll add the phone numbers, and then on to the real stuff. |
| 20:44.49 | hhf423_w | ghiottone: would be cool if you could make it get a button in applications |
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| 20:46.50 | ghiottone | hhf423_w, that is fairly easy :) |
| 20:46.58 | ghiottone | hhf423_w, I'll have a look right now |
| 20:47.15 | Kero | but I can already see it s*cks. evolution contacts has no business-mobile. it has mobile, it has business, but not the combo. and yes, I know people who have all three. |
| 20:47.59 | Kero | anynone happen to know whether evolution contacts are based on a standard? vcard or something? |
| 20:48.40 | hhf423_w | vallor: looks like most of the stuff that harald/laforge did put in gsmd and related code was coming from balrog at zabor.org |
| 20:51.09 | vallor | hhf423_w: k , I'm thinking it's better to just coordinate with the maintainer, unless I have questions re: the balrog gentleman's changes |
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| 20:51.36 | ghiottone | is there an sms icon in the standard set? |
| 20:52.02 | hhf423_w | no idea |
| 20:53.39 | hhf423_w | vallor: looks like that gsmd stuff is horrid. Like "changed from ATE as first send command to AT because of some phones firmware crapping out", then: "removed AT as first send command because some other phones firmware craps out" etc. |
| 20:54.59 | tuukkah | hmm, gsmd should be usable with any phone that supports AT commands, even those that don't run linux |
| 20:55.35 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. what's probably needed is a config file |
| 20:55.43 | vallor | absolutely |
| 20:55.46 | SpeedEvil | 'do x y z' to init modem |
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| 20:56.24 | tuukkah | now that i know how to use cu i connected to my series 40 phone :-) |
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| 20:56.54 | Lynet | Hmm, sounds like the good old BBS days. |
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| 20:57.11 | tuukkah | gsmd command line options talk about "GSM modem vendor plugin" and "GSM modem machine plugin" |
| 20:57.48 | vallor | Lynet: actually, we would do well to consider lessens learned from the old-timey dialup modem environment, regarding robustly talking to modems w/software... |
| 20:58.00 | tuukkah | (cu is stupid in that it doesn't let root use the device unless it's owned by the user uucp...) |
| 20:58.15 | Lynet | vallor: Always reset to known good config, in other words. |
| 20:59.15 | Lynet | SpeedEvil: Tuck an ATM and a PPPoE layer in there too, and you're golden. ;-) |
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| 21:00.11 | vallor | well, cu doesn't like talking to my modem :\ -- here's the device: crwxrwxrwx 1 uucp dialout 204, 64 Sep 10 13:58 ttySAC0 |
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| 21:00.38 | vallor | cu connects, but I don't get any responses, until I kill cu, then re-run it |
| 21:00.39 | SpeedEvil | I want POPPPoE |
| 21:00.50 | SpeedEvil | may be non-trivial though. |
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| 21:02.38 | tuukkah | vallor, do you mean on the neo? cu has trouble with flow control, you need to run on another console stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts |
| 21:02.38 | vallor | tuukkah: ah! |
| 21:02.54 | tuukkah | vallor, wait a minute |
| 21:03.11 | tuukkah | did you say it worked after re-running? |
| 21:03.31 | vallor | no, it just dumped all the responses that had been saved up from the previous session |
| 21:03.45 | vallor | (and were, I guess, waiting to be read from the device) |
| 21:03.52 | Stephmw | Evenin' |
| 21:05.44 | ghiottone | wow |
| 21:06.17 | vallor | hhf423_w: when we first started our service, we provided uucp email to several clients -- also had a "door" running under an account that would let folks grab newsgroups into FIDO bbs forums... |
| 21:06.54 | hhf423_w | doh, fido :-) |
| 21:06.57 | tuukkah | now the stty trick isn't doing it for me... |
| 21:07.04 | vallor | I remember when a steady 9600kbps stream from a satellite was enough... :) |
| 21:07.13 | tuukkah | running stty second time it hangs |
| 21:07.17 | hhf423_w | how again did they call dorks/morons/trolls on fido? can not remember ... |
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| 21:07.38 | hhf423_w | but they had some special term |
| 21:07.56 | vallor | hehe, no idea, it's been years and years |
| 21:08.13 | vallor | tuukkah: I haven't seen that yet |
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| 21:09.21 | tuukkah | but gsmd can still work so it's just another issue with cu |
| 21:10.07 | Lynet | hhf423_w: DAU, Elch? |
| 21:10.42 | hhf423_w | Lynet: hmm, no, was something else |
| 21:11.03 | Lynet | Hmm, no wonder Jobs wanted 10% of the cell contract. |
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| 21:13.58 | ghiottone | great! package done at first try :) |
| 21:15.55 | ghiottone | you can install smstool from my repo (look at my user page Alessandro) |
| 21:16.20 | vallor | +CMS ERROR: 512 <--- how do you get out of this funky mode? |
| 21:16.31 | vallor | gsmd doesn't know what to do with it :\ |
| 21:16.32 | ghiottone | only thing that is good also for SettingsGUI is that it has to be installed in the same destionation (card or root) as python |
| 21:17.20 | ghiottone | s/good /valid / |
| 21:18.50 | vallor | ah, toggling /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on did the trick |
| 21:22.19 | ghiottone | maybe the reset part (which is in the script in init.d) should be put in gsmd as part of the initialization process |
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| 21:24.18 | hhf423_w | ghiottone: put a comment into the smstool wiki page |
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| 21:25.42 | ghiottone | hhf423_w, I prefer to wait to ask kriss for this. he would undoubtely agree but.... |
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| 21:26.21 | ghiottone | kristian-m, ping ? |
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| 21:26.45 | hhf423_w | ghiottone: wiki is not about asking, its about doing. If he does not like it, he can/will remove it :-) |
| 21:27.44 | hhf423_w | always yield to the hands-on imperative! |
| 21:28.27 | ghiottone | I usually prefer asking people. it leads to a much more serene and respectful atmosphere |
| 21:28.41 | ghiottone | but if you say so, then I'll do it |
| 21:29.12 | hhf423_w | if you want to be extra nice, put a note about the change onto his talk page |
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| 21:30.53 | hhf423_w | hmm, I ipkg installed smstool but no icon? |
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| 21:32.39 | ghiottone | hhf423_w, xserver needs restarting |
| 21:32.49 | ghiottone | give me good feedback before I commit the changes |
| 21:32.51 | hhf423_w | ghiottone: that I did |
| 21:33.11 | ghiottone | did you install it in the card? |
| 21:33.16 | hhf423_w | yes |
| 21:33.23 | ghiottone | ipkg-utils add smstool |
| 21:33.25 | hhf423_w | like python |
| 21:33.29 | ghiottone | then restart again |
| 21:34.03 | ghiottone | ops sry |
| 21:34.07 | ghiottone | ipkg-link add smstool |
| 21:35.17 | hhf423_w | ok, let me try that |
| 21:35.47 | hhf423_w | ah, great! |
| 21:36.18 | ghiottone | I assume it is working |
| 21:36.47 | hhf423_w | hmm, the icon is there |
| 21:36.54 | hhf423_w | but i can not start it |
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| 21:37.20 | hhf423_w | I get the error: /usr/bin/python: error while loading shared libraries: libpython2.5.so.1.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:37.30 | ghiottone | mmmmm |
| 21:37.53 | ghiottone | checking dependencies.... |
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| 21:38.24 | ghiottone | in the mean while try doing ipkg-link mount /media/card/<whatever you put in the conffile> |
| 21:38.45 | ghiottone | this should create the missing link of that library |
| 21:41.13 | mwester | hhf423_w: ldconfig? |
| 21:41.30 | hhf423_w | doing ipkg-link mount /media/card/ now... |
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| 21:41.39 | ghiottone | I think ldconfig will be launched by ipkg-link |
| 21:41.45 | mwester | ah, ok. |
| 21:42.28 | ghiottone | ipkg-link sets up symbolic links to packages in the card. And after that it probably runs ldconfig to update library list |
| 21:42.44 | ghiottone | at least this is what I think it does |
| 21:43.02 | hhf423_w | right, that worked |
| 21:43.15 | ghiottone | great! |
| 21:43.35 | ghiottone | adding the note |
| 21:44.18 | bedboi | summatusmentis: you are at @unm :) |
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| 21:44.59 | bedboi | summatusmentis: i'm at unm too :) |
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| 21:45.55 | hhf423_w | ok, will go to bed now. talk to you all tomorrow |
| 21:47.29 | summatusmentis | bedboi: yeah, Morris campus |
| 21:47.53 | bedboi | summatusmentis: i'm at ece |
| 21:48.05 | summatusmentis | what city are you in? The Twin cities? |
| 21:48.24 | bedboi | i'm at abq |
| 21:48.43 | bedboi | AHAHA |
| 21:48.47 | bedboi | you are @ UMN |
| 21:48.48 | bedboi | lol |
| 21:48.51 | bedboi | im @ UNM |
| 21:49.12 | summatusmentis | I'm confused now... I'm at the University of Minnesota - Morris :-P |
| 21:49.20 | summatusmentis | UNM? where's that? |
| 21:49.39 | bedboi | University of New Mexico (Albuquerque) |
| 21:49.50 | bedboi | the land of the chile |
| 21:50.02 | summatusmentis | lol, oh. Yeah, I'm a bit of a ways away from there |
| 21:50.19 | bedboi | yep |
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| 21:56.38 | bedboi | anyone good at CPU profiling? |
| 21:57.30 | bedboi | i'm trying goole proftools but it seems that they don't want to use glib debug symbols (installed in /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib) |
| 21:57.34 | tuukkah | here's something better than cu |
| 21:57.38 | tuukkah | socat - /dev/ttySAC0,crnl |
| 21:58.17 | vallor | I've been reading the documentation at http://www.developershome.com/sms/cpmsCommand.asp <--- goldmine! :) |
| 21:58.24 | vallor | AT sms handling |
| 21:58.54 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Alessandro]] [[User:Hhf423]] [[SMSTool]] [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] [[Power_management_menu]] [[WLAN]] [[WiFi]] |
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| 21:59.19 | bedboi | i've found apatch |
| 21:59.21 | bedboi | cool |
| 22:02.51 | milo_ | is there a easy way to print images on full screen? a cli viewer app? |
| 22:05.20 | tuukkah | probably something using the framebuffer |
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| 22:06.01 | frma71 | Anyone heard anything about gllin yet ? |
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| 22:08.25 | aloril | hrm, booted machine a while ago, battery out of Neo1973 quite long time, still "kernel: usb 3-2: device descriptor read/64, error -62" in PC :-( |
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| 22:09.23 | vallor | aloril: I've seen that -- is it connected to a usb hub? |
| 22:09.34 | aloril | no, directly to PC |
| 22:09.41 | aloril | worked earlier just fine |
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| 22:09.47 | vallor | aloril: in my case, I had to reboot my usb hub (Dell monitor) to get it to come back |
| 22:10.06 | aloril | did reboot PC |
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| 22:10.31 | vallor | aloril: I get the same thing when trying to sync my treo -- then the port is "spoiled" until the hardware is reset |
| 22:11.05 | vallor | aloril: I used to move to a different port when that happened, but now it seems (at least with the neo) that rebooting the usb hub is a fix |
| 22:11.28 | vallor | aloril: oh, didn't read that |
| 22:11.34 | aloril | hmm... only rebooted, didn't power off PC |
| 22:11.46 | vallor | ya, I think you have to reset the hardware... |
| 22:13.16 | ghiottone | aloril, trying unloading and then reloading the usb bus module |
| 22:13.50 | aloril | ghiottone: didn't help (and rebooting machine should do that anyway) |
| 22:14.00 | vallor | ghiottone: he actually soft-booted the PC, which didn't clear up the problem |
| 22:14.27 | aloril | vallor: I think you are right, it needs poweroff |
| 22:14.35 | ghiottone | oh yeah right |
| 22:15.54 | vallor | hmm, I wonder if this is a case where an external hub might be better? (then you can just reboot the hub, instead of the whole thing) -- would have to be a fairly decent hub that handled dfu correctly, of course... |
| 22:16.22 | aloril | vallor: power off Neo1973, power on Neo1973, connect to unspoiled machine -> OK |
| 22:16.37 | aloril | vallor: yeah, except flashing I think needs direct connection |
| 22:18.15 | aloril | connect Neo1973 when spoiled state -> spoil other side |
| 22:19.03 | vallor | aloril: yes, it might actually be a linux driver issue, where it needs to completely reset the port after unplugging |
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| 22:19.32 | tuukkah | i got the same problem today |
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| 22:32.21 | aloril | anyway, quite rare problem (first time ever for me and it has been connected to PC most of time of about month) |
| 22:32.49 | tuukkah | i just happened to update uboot so i was afraid i broke it |
| 22:33.58 | tuukkah | date -s in busybox doesn't accept any format i try to give it |
| 22:36.03 | tuukkah | hh:mm:ss is a valid format, but the date is off by one too |
| 22:36.07 | vallor | man, I hope we aren't trying to use the "PDU" mode in gsmd -- I've been reading about that for half an hour, and it's still making my head hurt |
| 22:36.24 | vallor | for SMS I mean |
| 22:36.46 | tuukkah | we probably should do the simples thing that works to get the messages out of the chip |
| 22:38.03 | vallor | eek |
| 22:38.22 | vallor | the _simplests thing would be to use the text mode |
| 22:38.29 | vallor | i.e.: |
| 22:38.42 | vallor | AT+CMGL="ALL" |
| 22:38.42 | vallor | +CMGL: 2,"REC READ","453",,"07/09/09,15:18:09-28" |
| 22:38.42 | vallor | Did you know? Message rates for myFaves apply per your rate plan. Go to my.t-mobile.com for your plan details. |
| 22:38.42 | vallor | +CMGL: 3,"REC READ","453",,"07/09/09,15:18:10-28" |
| 22:39.05 | tuukkah | that won't work for most people =) |
| 22:39.21 | vallor | nono -- that's what gsmd would do |
| 22:39.54 | tuukkah | so why don't we let gsmd do that? |
| 22:39.56 | vallor | communicate with the gsm/gprs modem using the "text mode" -- much easier to debug and suss out |
| 22:40.27 | vallor | tuukkah: that's what will be happening, but I'm looking at gsmd to see if it's "doing the right thing" |
| 22:40.45 | vallor | (which it obviously isn't, it exits frequently for no reason) |
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| 22:45.23 | mwester | tuukkah: the busybox date command may be problematic; if it's serious enough of an issue, open a bug -- the build options for busybox can be altered, or (as has been done on other OE distros) the real "date" command can be added to the image. |
| 22:45.30 | cw666 | vallor: sorry, i just looked over this ... are you futzing about with t-mobile myFavs SMS formatting? |
| 22:45.58 | vallor | cw666: no, I'm just trying to get the modem to send an sms message |
| 22:46.11 | vallor | and read, too |
| 22:46.22 | vallor | that message was one I received from t-mobile |
| 22:48.23 | cw666 | vallor: ah, i've had that working w/ gsmd and also by hand |
| 22:49.03 | vallor | did you have to do the hexidecimal encoding stuff (pdu mode), or were you successful in text mode? |
| 22:49.12 | cw666 | vallor: pdu mode |
| 22:49.21 | vallor | hmm, k |
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| 22:49.26 | cw666 | vallor: i actually didnt know there was a text mode, ive just played with this |
| 22:49.29 | cw666 | briefly |
| 22:50.25 | cw666 | vallor: i wondered if anyone knew the magic sms format and destination to update myFavs |
| 22:51.15 | tuukkah | mwester, i'm reading the source :-) |
| 22:51.38 | vallor | I used date to set my date/time |
| 22:51.54 | vallor | there's no switch -- just do "date --help" to see the format it takes |
| 22:52.05 | cw666 | rdate 192.168.0.x |
| 22:52.06 | vallor | (for the busybox date) |
| 22:52.12 | cw666 | is probably the easiest thing |
| 22:52.18 | vallor | wow, it has rdate? |
| 22:52.22 | cw666 | (ie. have datetime enabled on the connecting machine) |
| 22:52.42 | SpeedEvil | #!/bin/ash |
| 22:52.42 | SpeedEvil | date `ssh 192.168.0.200 date "+%m%d%H%M%Y.%S"` |
| 22:52.50 | SpeedEvil | oh - right |
| 22:53.58 | vallor | gack -- brb, eye break |
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| 22:55.39 | tuukkah | date: invalid date `0911015407.30' |
| 22:55.49 | cw666 | why not use rdate? |
| 22:56.00 | SpeedEvil | cw666: I diddn't realise it was there. |
| 22:56.02 | cb22 | looking at the wiki, i see '* |
| 22:56.02 | cw666 | i dont see why people have to get clever with ssh, it's also very heavy weight |
| 22:56.02 | cb22 | 12MBit NOR flash for 'unbrickable emergency boot' feature. ' |
| 22:56.08 | cb22 | that true? |
| 22:56.16 | cb22 | for the gta02? |
| 22:56.38 | tuukkah | cw666, i don't have datetime port open in firewall |
| 22:56.49 | cw666 | tuukkah: huh? you dont need it |
| 22:56.59 | cw666 | tuukkah: whatever maching the usb is connected to, enable datetime on that |
| 22:56.59 | SpeedEvil | But teh above works for me |
| 22:57.03 | roh | cb22 ah.. where does that come from? |
| 22:57.12 | cb22 | from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA02_Hardware roh |
| 22:57.32 | tuukkah | cw666, the machine the usb is connected to has the firewall :-) |
| 22:57.42 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if the unbrick flash is inside the SoC |
| 22:57.50 | SpeedEvil | The new one is a multi-chip-module |
| 22:58.01 | cb22 | but there is unbrick flash....? |
| 22:58.02 | cw666 | tuukkah: umm, so allow datetime then |
| 22:58.21 | roh | cb22 yep.. its true there will ne a new nor flash.. i dunno about the final size, but small |
| 22:58.40 | cb22 | now why does this phone just keep on sounding better and better :) |
| 22:58.40 | roh | only uboot needs to be in there. to be exact. one uboot |
| 22:59.18 | SpeedEvil | Can we reflash the stored uboot? |
| 22:59.26 | tuukkah | fsck. help says YY but it needs YYYY |
| 22:59.30 | tuukkah | that was it |
| 22:59.35 | SpeedEvil | And is it the normal boot mechanism. |
| 22:59.36 | roh | cb22 the nor flash will have its write-protect line not connected to the app cpu, but only to the debug port. so if youre able to erase it you will have the tools to unbrick it. |
| 22:59.57 | roh | cb22 someone without debug board and soldering iron should be unable to really brick his device then |
| 23:00.11 | cb22 | roh, thats nice, but there is still the normal uboot existing on the nand right? |
| 23:00.15 | tuukkah | is there a plan on what to do about time zones? |
| 23:00.21 | roh | cb22 ack. |
| 23:00.40 | cb22 | in fact, that kicks ass, no risk of bricking unless you can recover it |
| 23:01.41 | SpeedEvil | The new SoC has DRAM and NAND flash inside? as a multi-chip? |
| 23:01.50 | roh | jap. |
| 23:01.54 | SpeedEvil | That should help lots with boardspace. |
| 23:01.58 | SpeedEvil | well - a bit |
| 23:02.05 | SpeedEvil | as you can lose the RAM/bus |
| 23:02.28 | cb22 | IIRC it only has 64mb built in though |
| 23:02.34 | cb22 | the other 64mb is external |
| 23:02.35 | cw666 | mbit? |
| 23:02.39 | cw666 | 8MB |
| 23:02.41 | cb22 | of ram |
| 23:02.42 | roh | there will be a external ram, but it stell saves pcbspace for things like e.g. the 5V generating parts for the usb host mode |
| 23:02.43 | cw666 | that's enough for kernel and small rootfs |
| 23:02.46 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right. |
| 23:03.00 | SpeedEvil | 5V generating parts aren't really bad. |
| 23:04.10 | SpeedEvil | And am trying to avoid adding too many features. |
| 23:04.24 | SpeedEvil | 'Oooh - a compass would be easy...' |
| 23:04.57 | tuukkah | SpeedEvil, have you tried if it's a good idea to put "echo "AT@POFF" | socat - /dev/ttySAC0,crnl" in /etc/init.d/gsmd and "amixer sset "Amp Mode" "Off"" in /etc/init.d/alsa-state? you got the meter :-) |
| 23:05.14 | SpeedEvil | I have not tried that. |
| 23:05.16 | SpeedEvil | howerver. |
| 23:05.41 | SpeedEvil | when you do that manually, and power off, the current drawn goes to under 100uA |
| 23:06.21 | tuukkah | i was just thinking those two lines might be worth it |
| 23:06.42 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 23:09.36 | vallor | hmmm.... handling all the sms-modem stuff might already be available in this: http://www.kannel.org/ |
| 23:09.42 | tuukkah | actually the socat sin't able to proceed if the gsm modem is already off |
| 23:09.47 | vallor | ''Kannel is a compact and very powerful open source WAP and SMS gateway, used widely across the globe both for serving millions of short messages (SMS) and pushing WAP service indications.'' |
| 23:11.48 | SpeedEvil | I just use echo |
| 23:11.57 | cw666 | i use echo too |
| 23:12.16 | vallor | hehe, you use echo to send sms's? |
| 23:12.23 | cw666 | yes, i have done |
| 23:12.28 | tuukkah | why on earth do we first power off the modem and then stop gsmd %-) |
| 23:12.54 | cb22 | tuukkah, because thats what the lords of FIC demanded, and unless you sacrifice a cow, it wont change :p |
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| 23:13.21 | cw666 | cb22: it makes sense to have gsmd turn off the modem on it's way down IMO |
| 23:14.03 | cb22 | sure :) i was just adding in a useless comment |
| 23:14.15 | cb22 | i tend to do those at 1:12am, when i have to wake up at 6am |
| 23:15.45 | tuukkah | echo -e "AT@POFF\r" >>/dev/ttySAC0 |
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| 23:28.56 | vallor | zowie, this "kannel" has all the charset translation stuff for handling GSM PDU messages :) |
| 23:29.46 | meus | cd |
| 23:29.49 | meus | ups :P |
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| 23:49.51 | milo_ | does the gui sound keep the /dev/dsp resource busy prevents madplay or mplayer from using it? how can i to stop it? |
| 23:50.51 | cesarb | milo_: do not stop it, join it... use aoss ;-) |
| 23:53.16 | milo_ | oh :) thanks |
| 23:54.41 | kristian-m | ghiottone pong, thanks for the package - I'll try to continue work on both projects, new releases are planed at the end of this week. |
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