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| 00:45.59 | BryceLeo | ello all |
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| 01:06.29 | BryceLeo | quiet room tonight |
| 01:07.03 | cesarb | BryceLeo: everybody must've gone to sleep early |
| 01:07.56 | hads | cesarb: Either that or it's the middle of the day and they're working. |
| 01:10.06 | Aria | And it's a holiday in the US |
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| 01:19.27 | BryceLeo | pshhh |
| 01:19.31 | BryceLeo | this is not a real holiday |
| 01:19.46 | BryceLeo | it's labor day, aka yet another lazy american excuse to skip work and go drinking |
| 01:20.16 | rwhitby | Is that a European thing, to put a '.' between the day number and the month name? |
| 01:20.29 | BryceLeo | i do that if i don't use a space |
| 01:20.41 | rwhitby | there is a dot, then a spacae |
| 01:20.48 | Agrajag- | yeah that's a european thing |
| 01:20.49 | BryceLeo | hmm... that seems odd |
| 01:21.26 | rwhitby | "Monday, 03. September 2007" is what it says. |
| 01:21.30 | BryceLeo | cesarb: who still does work? :-P |
| 01:21.35 | rwhitby | I was expecting "Monday, 3 September 2007" |
| 01:22.10 | Agrajag- | oh right, i thought you meant 03.09.2007 |
| 01:22.37 | cesarb | BryceLeo: isn't labor day May 1st? |
| 01:22.41 | hads | Yeah, "Monday, 03. September" is just odd. |
| 01:23.01 | BryceLeo | cesarb: ... is it? heh now i'm not sure! |
| 01:23.10 | rwhitby | It's an improvement, anyway. At least it's not ambiguous now. |
| 01:23.12 | cesarb | BryceLeo: at least here labor day is May 1st |
| 01:23.37 | Aria | Labor day in the US is at the end of the summer |
| 01:23.44 | Aria | (always a Monday) |
| 01:23.50 | Aria | May 1 here is called May DAt |
| 01:23.52 | Aria | er.. May Day. |
| 01:23.56 | Aria | And nobody really celebrates it |
| 01:24.02 | BryceLeo | nope labor day is this coming monday |
| 01:24.14 | BryceLeo | cesarb: where's here for you? |
| 01:25.04 | cesarb | BryceLeo: Brazil |
| 01:25.22 | hads | It's the 4th Monday in October here |
| 01:25.57 | BryceLeo | cesarb: how is it down there? |
| 01:25.59 | cesarb | http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dia_do_trabalho |
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| 03:20.30 | Aria | Hello. |
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| 03:23.22 | raster | moo |
| 03:23.41 | Aria | Moin |
| 03:25.22 | raster | moon |
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| 03:48.56 | rtyler | anybody know if rwhitby committed his uboot changes? |
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| 04:16.43 | rwhitby | rtyler: nope, been in meetings all day |
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| 05:41.19 | rwhitby | rtyler: I can't get uboot-openmoko to build |
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| 05:55.36 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OL_%28Office_Lady%29_phone]] [[Vertical_applications]] [[Business:Mobile_photo_frame]] |
| 05:57.52 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: ok, i checked... the LM* was off |
| 05:58.06 | cw666 | so im not sure what is eating the power now, i need to measure it i guess at the battery |
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| 06:07.50 | juri_ | http://www.xkcd.com/224/ |
| 06:11.15 | CM | xkcd rocks |
| 06:11.33 | CM | juri_: sudo make me a sandwich ;) |
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| 06:53.30 | sparq | So, how are people getting on with their Neos? |
| 06:56.18 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 06:58.05 | zash_se | mornin' |
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| 07:11.02 | gcb77 | I finally realized my card was formated with VFAT, and thats why I was getting errors when using ipkg -d card |
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| 07:21.56 | zash_se | z |
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| 07:25.45 | daurnimator | hi all |
| 07:25.52 | borg_ | hi |
| 07:28.20 | cheriff | hey daurnimator :) |
| 07:29.55 | daurnimator | hi cheriff |
| 07:30.39 | daurnimator | where can I find details on the october to-be-released neo? |
| 07:31.36 | zash_se | daurnimator: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 |
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| 07:34.16 | daurnimator | the neo only has ONE microsd slot? |
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| 07:35.40 | rwhitby | daurnimator: yes, and it's underneath the SIM, which is underneath the battery. |
| 07:35.57 | daurnimator | any plans of more? |
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| 07:36.04 | rwhitby | daurnimator: none published |
| 07:36.04 | daurnimator | one micro isn't much at all |
| 07:36.26 | rwhitby | gcb77: how are you linking the apps from the card back? |
| 07:40.25 | gcb77 | rwhitby: I added the apps bin dir to $PATH |
| 07:40.41 | gcb77 | and the lib dir to $LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 07:40.44 | rwhitby | nod |
| 07:40.52 | rwhitby | so you haven't looked at ipkg-link? |
| 07:42.19 | mdt | hm, i'm playing with ecore/evas/edje. i would like to rotate the screen with the xrandr command. what would be the correct options? i had no success with `xrandr --orientation left` ... |
| 07:43.01 | zash_se | try xrandr -o 3 |
| 07:43.25 | gcb77 | mdt: make sure you export DISPLAY if you are using ssh |
| 07:43.54 | mdt | gcb77, shure i did. the screen flashes but orientation is still the same |
| 07:44.21 | mdt | zash_se, maybe ecore does something strange? |
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| 07:44.54 | gcb77 | rwhitby: I'm looking for ipkg-link but I can't find it. |
| 07:45.32 | mdt | and after ecore terminated and i do another `xrand` i get '*** glibc detected *** Xfbdev: free(): invalid pointer: 0x40309000 *** Aborted' from Xfbdev and it terminates... hm. |
| 07:45.43 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: ping |
| 07:45.55 | ScaredyCat | pong |
| 07:46.15 | zash_se | mdt: in qemu, xrandr only works once, but -o 3 changes the orientation |
| 07:46.15 | rwhitby | I'm going to look in your repo, and add any packages there to task-openmok-feed |
| 07:46.31 | mdt | zash_se, it's not qemu... |
| 07:47.04 | mdt | and in the gui orientation changes worked fine as far as i remember... or am i wrong? |
| 07:47.27 | gcb77 | mdt: I had that problem once, but it worked again after I restarted |
| 07:47.54 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: at least nano mtpaint ntp kbdd scummvm bluez-hcidump midori ruby openssh gpe-filemanager gpe-timesheet gpe-todo mysql mrxvt tor vnc ntpclient gpe-gallery settingsgui |
| 07:48.24 | mdt | gcb77, strange... restarting X should be the same |
| 07:48.38 | ScaredyCat | there are some others that were requested.. |
| 07:48.45 | daurnimator | scummvm? lol |
| 07:48.55 | ScaredyCat | oh yes.. |
| 07:49.09 | ScaredyCat | and I have it in my images by default too :D |
| 07:49.16 | mdt | he, how far is scummvm? is it already playable? my girlfriend asks all the time... |
| 07:49.29 | ScaredyCat | yes, it works... it's excellent |
| 07:49.52 | mdt | :D |
| 07:50.01 | daurnimator | its been playable for several years |
| 07:50.03 | ScaredyCat | probably a good idea to have a stylus |
| 07:50.26 | ScaredyCat | i think he meand on the neo, daurnimator |
| 07:50.33 | ScaredyCat | s/meand/means |
| 07:50.34 | daurnimator | oh//// right |
| 07:50.35 | zash_se | would it be posible to run starcraft in wine on the neo? |
| 07:50.41 | daurnimator | lol |
| 07:50.47 | mjr | zash_se, wrong cpu |
| 07:50.52 | zash_se | :( |
| 07:50.55 | ScaredyCat | you'll want vista on it next |
| 07:52.01 | gcb77 | freeciv works ok, had both the server and client running |
| 07:52.45 | ScaredyCat | i bet it was fast ;) |
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| 07:53.23 | gcb77 | ScaredyCat: it was not noticeably slow... but I only tried it for a minute or so |
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| 07:53.43 | cheriff | prboom runs ok.. just input is... interesting :) |
| 07:53.59 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
| 07:54.10 | ScaredyCat | yes.. how do you move, fire etc |
| 07:54.44 | cheriff | well we dont.. its just for demonstration, and watching the pre-recorded demo play is ok enough :) |
| 07:54.47 | ScaredyCat | with a bt keyboard? |
| 07:54.55 | ScaredyCat | mm |
| 07:54.57 | ScaredyCat | shame |
| 07:55.14 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Kernel/zh_cn]] |
| 07:55.19 | daurnimator | mmm |
| 07:55.25 | daurnimator | I want poweered usb |
| 07:55.28 | mdt | daurnimator, we play it for years... ;) but the neo arrived a month ago and now... |
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| 07:55.34 | cheriff | might be able to do something with a littly nub tied to your thumb or something (i think the ds had something similar?) |
| 07:55.34 | daurnimator | or at least a hack for it |
| 07:55.46 | daurnimator | so that you can plug in low power devices |
| 07:55.49 | daurnimator | such as keyboards |
| 07:56.57 | ScaredyCat | one of these would be nice if it worked http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10779 |
| 07:58.10 | ScaredyCat | not sure how you'd make it 'fit' the mini usb port thugh |
| 07:58.12 | ScaredyCat | though |
| 07:58.26 | zash_se | adapter. |
| 07:58.39 | daurnimator | standard adaptor |
| 07:58.56 | ScaredyCat | you can get mini -> big extender? |
| 07:59.09 | daurnimator | extender?? |
| 07:59.23 | ScaredyCat | well, with a female big end ... |
| 07:59.27 | daurnimator | yeah |
| 07:59.29 | ScaredyCat | oeerr missus! |
| 07:59.40 | daurnimator | heaps of devices use them |
| 08:00.13 | daurnimator | http://conics.net/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=33 |
| 08:00.32 | daurnimator | just a page I had in recently visted :P |
| 08:00.38 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: adding task-openmoko-feed to the standard build ? |
| 08:00.43 | daurnimator | plenty of cheaper sites out there |
| 08:00.58 | daurnimator | you can find them real cheap on ebay under something like "iriver usb dongle" |
| 08:01.34 | ScaredyCat | i wonder if they're using oscommerce :) |
| 08:01.35 | cheriff | is the usb port configurable as USB host/client? |
| 08:01.44 | daurnimator | ScaredyCat: see this diagram: http://conics.net/shp/pda/zaurus-sl-c700/images/host-diag_en.jpg |
| 08:01.54 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: or are we plonking it in a local overlay |
| 08:01.59 | daurnimator | cept replace the bottom picture of a zaurus with the neo |
| 08:02.00 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: buildhost and nslu2-linux both build task-openmoko-feed - it's the definitive definition of what should be in an openmoko packages feed |
| 08:02.07 | daurnimator | and give the neo powered usb >.< |
| 08:02.10 | cheriff | looking at the SOC docs it seems the controller can be put in either mode, but it depends on how things are wired |
| 08:02.28 | mjr | cheriff, yes yes, though last I checked support was lacking in the kernel |
| 08:02.37 | mjr | (and there's no power to the USB in GTA01) |
| 08:02.43 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: bitbake openmoko-feed |
| 08:02.48 | ScaredyCat | k |
| 08:03.04 | cheriff | mjr: not even the minimum non-negotiable amount? |
| 08:03.12 | mjr | cheriff, not even |
| 08:03.24 | cheriff | ok. that is understandable |
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| 08:03.36 | ScaredyCat | ..... |
| 08:03.51 | daurnimator | other linux devices have had various hacks in kernal modules that let you provide power to the port |
| 08:03.56 | daurnimator | would that be possible with the neo |
| 08:04.03 | mjr | no |
| 08:04.08 | daurnimator | or is the pin just completely disconnected |
| 08:04.32 | mjr | there is no 5V anywhere on it |
| 08:04.45 | mjr | and by it, I mean the Neo |
| 08:05.00 | ScaredyCat | if there's no 5v, providing external power should be easy - no ? |
| 08:05.24 | mjr | IIRC somebody said at some point that GTA02 will have (some) power to the usb, but don't trust my memory |
| 08:06.22 | mjr | well, it's not hard... |
| 08:08.40 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: task-openmoko-feed doesn't seem to be in non-core-dev build tree |
| 08:08.52 | rwhitby | ? |
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| 08:09.07 | rwhitby | what is a non-core-dev build tree? |
| 08:09.36 | ScaredyCat | gah! |
| 08:10.43 | rwhitby | alphaone: which of gtk-immodule-* should be added to task-openmoko-feed ? |
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| 08:12.26 | mdt | ScaredyCat, my scummvm build fails - do i have to use a special .bb file? |
| 08:13.38 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: nm .. this is why i hate bb ... i can never find stuff. |
| 08:13.48 | ScaredyCat | mdt: no.. but you should have a 0.9.1 bb file |
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| 08:15.41 | mdt | ScaredyCat, i have... but it fails with a help-message from ccache while 'Looking for C++ compiler...'. |
| 08:15.58 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 08:16.12 | mdt | ? |
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| 08:17.03 | ScaredyCat | you are doing a : cd build ; . ../setup-env ; bitbake scummvm |
| 08:17.04 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 08:17.30 | ScaredyCat | from OMDIR |
| 08:18.05 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: when will the changes appear in oe ? |
| 08:18.43 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: as soon as I verify the packages build for me, I will add them to task-openmoko-feed.bb and commit it. |
| 08:18.57 | rwhitby | there are some there already, so you should be able to build it now |
| 08:19.02 | ScaredyCat | ahh ok, and i can update :) |
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| 08:22.15 | gcb77 | doh, ERROR: '/home/moko/openembedded/packages/eds/eds-dbus_svn.bb' failed |
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| 08:35.00 | borg_ | is there a wiki page which describes how i exclude packages from my mokomakefile-build? |
| 08:38.45 | rwhitby | edit the .bb file which includes it. and then all bets are off. |
| 08:39.10 | rwhitby | using BBMASK will just mean that the package which depends on the thing you are masking will fail to build as well. |
| 08:43.40 | borg_ | now compiling without webkit.... |
| 08:44.00 | borg_ | it takes years to compile webkit and all his dependencies |
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| 08:57.25 | gcb77 | How big is the flash block size on the NEO? |
| 08:58.02 | rwhitby | erasesize is 0x4000 in /proc/mtd |
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| 09:00.43 | gcb77 | that's 16k, right? |
| 09:01.02 | gcb77 | so if you have less than that free there is no way to delete |
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| 09:03.44 | mjr | jffs should handle it |
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| 09:04.44 | gcb77 | It gets really slow as it shuffles data around? |
| 09:05.24 | gcb77 | I'm trying to figure out if I really do need to re-flash when the disk gets full |
| 09:05.50 | rwhitby | you need at least two blocks free to do anything in jffs2 |
| 09:06.24 | rwhitby | (in my experience with the nslu2 at least) |
| 09:06.55 | XorA | rwhitby: 1 or 2 in my experience also, on zaurus, the most common killing method from user is to fill jffs2 |
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| 09:07.12 | rwhitby | yeah, one if you're lucky. two to be safe. |
| 09:07.47 | gcb77 | cat jffs2 reserve space for superuser, like ext2? |
| 09:07.59 | gcb77 | s/cat/can/ |
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| 09:36.36 | mdt | re |
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| 09:46.26 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: task-openmoko-feed.bb is pushed. it doesn't include scummvm cause it fails to build cleanly. |
| 09:49.43 | florian | good morning |
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| 09:52.00 | mdt | rwhitby: any idea why scummvm does not build? |
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| 09:53.40 | rwhitby | mdt: "| Looking for sdl-config... none found! |
| 09:53.40 | rwhitby | " |
| 09:54.06 | rwhitby | don't have the time or inclination to debug it right now |
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| 09:54.17 | mdt | rwhitby: thats a different error than here. |
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| 10:32.36 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: it builds perfectly here |
| 10:32.51 | ScaredyCat | you have the 0.9.1 .bb ? |
| 10:34.35 | ScaredyCat | erm |
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| 10:41.22 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: yep 0.9.1 |
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| 10:43.10 | ScaredyCat | mmm... |
| 10:47.03 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: do you have an sdl-config in tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin ? |
| 10:47.59 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 10:48.05 | rwhitby | I don't. |
| 10:48.12 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 10:48.18 | ScaredyCat | you shoul |
| 10:48.19 | ScaredyCat | d |
| 10:48.23 | rwhitby | so there must be a missing dependency which you have built which put it there. |
| 10:49.08 | rwhitby | what does ls -ld tmp/work/*/*sdl* say for you? |
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| 10:49.24 | rwhitby | I only have armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libsdl-x11-1.2.9-r2 |
| 10:50.05 | rwhitby | which matches the DEPENDS of virtual/libsdl in the scummvm bb file |
| 10:51.27 | ScaredyCat | smae |
| 10:51.29 | ScaredyCat | same |
| 10:51.37 | rwhitby | no libsdl-native ? |
| 10:51.53 | ScaredyCat | no... |
| 10:51.55 | ScaredyCat | nohing |
| 10:52.03 | khaije1 | hi guys! |
| 10:52.06 | ScaredyCat | i know it is on the host though |
| 10:52.28 | rwhitby | so there is no way that a non-native libsdl can put something in tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin |
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| 10:52.54 | khaije1 | i'm wondering about building apps such as python, is there support for widgets and such? |
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| 10:53.33 | khaije1 | (i mean to say building apps *using* python) |
| 10:53.42 | ScaredyCat | well, something must, because I've cleared out staging before |
| 10:54.30 | ScaredyCat | khaije1: do a search for 'SettingsGUI' on the wiki - as a python example |
| 10:54.54 | khaije1 | hmm, okay thx ScaredyCat |
| 10:55.35 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: after building libsdl-native, now I have sdl-config in tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin |
| 10:55.44 | rwhitby | so scummvm will probably compile |
| 10:56.03 | ScaredyCat | so that sould go in the .bb as a dep too them |
| 10:56.05 | ScaredyCat | then |
| 10:56.10 | rwhitby | yep |
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| 10:57.32 | zedstar | trying to update my 2007.2 is failing at the webkit stage. looks like some problem linking. i have glibc 2.6 is this likely to be the issue? http://dpaste.com/18479/ |
| 10:58.24 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03chris * r2898 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ChangeLog: Add a line-break to the ChangeLog (was over 80 columns) |
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| 10:59.01 | khaije1 | ScaredyCat: i think i can make my question even more specific, i'm wondering if tkinter or wxpython are usable on OM? |
| 10:59.30 | ScaredyCat | khaije1: I have no idea, i don;t know anything about python... |
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| 11:00.09 | ScaredyCat | I guess they should be, but bear in mind all the python stuff adds up to a lot of space... |
| 11:00.37 | ScaredyCat | which is probably a good reason for it not to be on the neo :) |
| 11:00.43 | khaije1 | o ok, im studying it now specificaly to write apps for OM. I can't wait |
| 11:00.52 | khaije1 | like how much are we talking here? |
| 11:00.59 | ScaredyCat | ok... not thouse about C? |
| 11:01.04 | ScaredyCat | thought |
| 11:01.37 | khaije1 | i studied c++ at university but that was a long time ago :-) |
| 11:02.24 | khaije1 | also as i understand it, python is good for portability and quick prototyping which is usefull for a beginner like me |
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| 11:03.28 | Tyrael | Hi all. Can someone who tried mediaplayer send me his ipkg list_installed ? |
| 11:04.07 | Tyrael | it tells me that there isn't gstreamer or some modules, but gstreamer is installed. |
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| 11:10.32 | mickey|train | ipkg install gst-meta-audio |
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| 11:14.14 | Richard_ | hi, does OM use webkit as web browser engine? |
| 11:14.21 | zecke | no |
| 11:15.18 | Richard_ | minimo? |
| 11:16.23 | borg_ | no? the feedreader does |
| 11:17.39 | Richard_ | OM doesn't have wap/web browser yet? |
| 11:18.41 | Kero | OM has near nothing :) |
| 11:19.16 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison]] [[Application_Development_Crash_Course]] |
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| 11:33.58 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: scummvm fixed |
| 11:34.05 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 11:34.26 | rwhitby | there was an error in scummvm.inc - it was looking in the wrong place for sdl-config |
| 11:34.49 | rwhitby | mickey|train: when does buildhost build the feed? |
| 11:35.23 | rwhitby | I've just added a whole heap of packages to bring task-openmoko-feed close to the ScaredyCat feed |
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| 11:39.23 | mickey|train | rwhitby: when I'm back in Frankfurt, i can launch it |
| 11:39.23 | mickey|train | it doesn't get autobuilded |
| 11:39.44 | rwhitby | mickey|train: what depends on libsexy2 ? |
| 11:40.14 | zecke | rwhitby: midori |
| 11:40.24 | rwhitby | and where is libsexy2 in OE ? |
| 11:41.15 | zecke | libsexy dir and AFAIK there is no upstream libsexy2 |
| 11:42.05 | rwhitby | for some reason my rootfs generation is complaining about a missing libsexy2 |
| 11:42.44 | XorA | rwhitby: with age you lose your mojo :-) |
| 11:42.48 | rwhitby | and I only see libsexy in packages/libsexy, no libsexy2. |
| 11:43.20 | zecke | rwhitby: aha, grep for libsexy2 does not reveal anything |
| 11:44.28 | raster | libsexy? |
| 11:44.30 | raster | my god |
| 11:44.34 | raster | 1what genius is behind that? |
| 11:44.45 | rwhitby | raster: no, libsexy2 :-) |
| 11:44.59 | rwhitby | should be lib2sexy |
| 11:45.05 | raster | well v2 of libsexy |
| 11:45.30 | rwhitby | zecke: seems that openmoko-tasks2 also depends on libsexy2 |
| 11:45.42 | rwhitby | and openmoko-today2 ... |
| 11:46.00 | Fatal | X_x |
| 11:46.17 | zecke | XorA: hehe |
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| 11:46.35 | XorA | rootfs by tar :-D |
| 11:46.51 | mickey|train | isn't that all optional |
| 11:46.53 | mickey|train | ? |
| 11:47.14 | zecke | let me say that: There is no libsexy2 upstream release :) |
| 11:48.11 | raster | man |
| 11:48.13 | raster | libsexy |
| 11:48.15 | raster | thats it |
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| 11:48.31 | ScaredyCat | midori |
| 11:48.35 | rwhitby | raster: you're just jealous you didn't think of it ;-) |
| 11:48.35 | raster | next lib i do is going to go all out on the risquée |
| 11:48.37 | raster | naming front |
| 11:48.47 | raster | rwhitby: damn straight i am! |
| 11:48.48 | raster | :) |
| 11:49.01 | zecke | rwhitby: ah debian renaming? |
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| 11:49.18 | XorA | libhamster Depends on libducttape :-D |
| 11:49.30 | rwhitby | and libgere |
| 11:50.34 | zecke | rwhitby: could you take a look at the shlibs file? |
| 11:50.45 | rwhitby | yep, where does it live? |
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| 11:51.40 | zecke | rwhitby: grep ${TMPDIR}/staging/pkgmaps/debian/ for libsexy? |
| 11:51.57 | rwhitby | that file contains 'libsexy2' |
| 11:52.11 | zecke | rwhitby: thats a directory ;) |
| 11:52.25 | rwhitby | the 'libsexy' file in that directory contains 'libsexy2' |
| 12:03.50 | folken | can one strip that library ? pretty please. |
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| 12:16.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 792 has been created by kresp0(AT)yahoo.es |
| 12:16.02 | cdbot2 | * * Security issue @openmoko.com |
| 12:16.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=792 |
| 12:17.05 | sandos | "ooops" ? ;) |
| 12:17.29 | DPThought | oh oh |
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| 12:18.57 | ScaredyCat | what data rate is 2G? |
| 12:19.34 | cjb_ie | ScaredyCat: 56kbps apparently |
| 12:19.45 | ScaredyCat | eeewww |
| 12:21.19 | ccube_ | 2G = GPRS? |
| 12:21.25 | ccube_ | i dont know exactly |
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| 12:22.20 | cjb_ie | GPRS = 2.5G - apparently |
| 12:22.35 | ccube_ | :) |
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| 12:27.23 | elmarb | hi |
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| 12:27.51 | elmarb | i got it! openmoko runs under qemu |
| 12:29.01 | elmarb | but i don't know how to use it |
| 12:29.09 | elmarb | mouse does not work |
| 12:29.24 | elmarb | i can use space and enter |
| 12:29.39 | elmarb | does someone know how to solve this?! |
| 12:30.41 | zash_se | elmarb: the screen is rotated 90° |
| 12:31.01 | elmarb | zash_se: ? |
| 12:31.28 | zash_se | a klick in the top left corner is actualy the bottom left corner |
| 12:31.46 | elmarb | aah okay |
| 12:32.05 | zash_se | klick the + and then start the terminal |
| 12:32.21 | zash_se | and run the calibration-thingy |
| 12:32.30 | zash_se | xtscal? |
| 12:32.33 | zash_se | or something |
| 12:32.45 | DPThought | cjb_ie: EDGE = 2.5G, plain old GSM/GPRS is 2G |
| 12:33.10 | elmarb | zash_se: ok i try to |
| 12:33.17 | cjb_ie | DPThought: fair enough - i sit corrected :) |
| 12:33.19 | zash_se | elmarb: xtscal |
| 12:33.53 | elmarb | zash_se: actually a klick in the top left isn't really a klick in the bottom left corner but something like that |
| 12:34.05 | elmarb | i'm beginning to understand ;-) |
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| 12:34.48 | DPThought | cjb_ie: 2.5G does not really exist. Its plain marketing buzzword bullshitting. So you don't actually need to know it ;) |
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| 12:36.39 | rwhitby | zecke: any ideas about that libsexy/libsexy2 problem? What does that shlibs result indicate? |
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| 12:38.11 | zecke | rwhitby: I would say it is correct so far, but you don't have any libsexy2*.ipk? |
| 12:39.25 | rwhitby | for some reason, no. |
| 12:39.41 | zecke | rwhitby: but a libsexy*.ipk? |
| 12:39.54 | rwhitby | no, not that one either. weird. |
| 12:40.03 | zecke | right |
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| 12:42.45 | rwhitby | hmm - now I get a libsexy2 ipk, and I expect the rootfs will now build. |
| 12:43.20 | rwhitby | zecke: thx for the help. |
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| 12:43.41 | yoyo_ | hi |
| 12:44.24 | zecke | rwhitby: so package_write was not called for libsexy... for whatever reason |
| 12:44.58 | zash_se | hi yo |
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| 12:46.50 | elmarb | zash_se: wooow this is difficult |
| 12:46.56 | elmarb | i can't get the + |
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| 12:48.31 | elmarb | can you aproximate where to click to get the +? |
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| 12:50.16 | zash_se | elmarb: left middle edge? |
| 12:52.19 | elmarb | zash_se: yes! |
| 12:53.52 | elmarb | zash_se: thank you very much now it works right |
| 12:54.10 | khaije1 | i wonder if/when the new QT will turn up in openmoko |
| 12:54.30 | elmarb | zash_se: now how can i save this configuration?? |
| 12:55.41 | zash_se | elmarb: it seems to save directly |
| 12:56.01 | elmarb | zash_se: okay thanks |
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| 13:12.40 | zedstar | to nand erase is it "nand erase clean rootfs" or "nand erase rootfs" ive seen both on the wiki? |
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| 13:13.42 | borg_ | zedstar: i have done nand erase rootfs |
| 13:13.46 | borg_ | and it worked ;) |
| 13:14.07 | zedstar | ok thanx will give that one a go |
| 13:14.55 | zedstar | any had problems from flashing the same rootfs onto the device? i thought only if flashing smaller rootfs would have a problem |
| 13:15.39 | borg_ | thats non deterministic ;) |
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| 13:15.45 | borg_ | i had this too |
| 13:15.49 | borg_ | so dont worry ;) |
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| 13:17.35 | zedstar | ah ok cool |
| 13:18.56 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[GUI_Style_Guidelines]] |
| 13:21.23 | zedstar | the echoing of my chars is weird in uboot seems to delay one char i type |
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| 13:23.03 | borg_ | mhh |
| 13:23.09 | borg_ | never heard of that ;) |
| 13:23.27 | zedstar | lol weird |
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| 13:25.50 | zedstar | hmm worked when i connected again |
| 13:26.02 | white_gecko | hello |
| 13:26.13 | borg_ | hello white_gecko |
| 13:26.36 | white_gecko | if just downloaded the qemu neo1973 with openmoko |
| 13:27.03 | white_gecko | but is there no more calibration for the pointer in 2007.2 |
| 13:27.04 | white_gecko | ? |
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| 13:28.17 | white_gecko | because i cant click any of the buttons on openmoko |
| 13:28.23 | borg_ | white_gecko: i think it is there but it will not be started automatically |
| 13:28.40 | gordonsyme | white_gecko: click in the middle of the left hand edge of the screen |
| 13:28.54 | gordonsyme | then press tab on your keyboard and use the cursor keys to select the terminal app |
| 13:29.14 | gordonsyme | then run xtscal |
| 13:29.24 | gordonsyme | and you will have mouse calibration |
| 13:29.25 | zash_se | or ts_calibrate |
| 13:30.00 | white_gecko | hm |
| 13:30.10 | white_gecko | il try |
| 13:30.25 | white_gecko | the thing with tab didn'T work |
| 13:30.26 | gordonsyme | The touchscreen coords are rotated 90 degrees to the screen |
| 13:30.59 | gordonsyme | so to click the middle button on the bottom of the screen you need to click in the middle of the left-hand edge. |
| 13:31.17 | gordonsyme | white_gecko: not sure what to do if qemu isn't feeding your keyboard presses through |
| 13:31.28 | zedstar | if u flash a bigger kernel do u need to do a nand erase kernel before? |
| 13:31.33 | zash_se | and then either klick more right til you get the terminal |
| 13:31.42 | zedstar | smaller |
| 13:31.47 | zedstar | i meant |
| 13:33.38 | zash_se | or start the terminal with arrows and enter |
| 13:34.12 | white_gecko | but wit arrows and enter doest work |
| 13:34.36 | white_gecko | now I'm in contact |
| 13:34.43 | white_gecko | contacts |
| 13:35.11 | zash_se | click att the top left |
| 13:35.27 | zash_se | where the title is |
| 13:35.35 | zash_se | top-right before calibration? |
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| 13:38.54 | white_gecko | oh i link it is wonderfull |
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| 13:39.06 | white_gecko | i have a terminal runnign now |
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| 13:42.19 | zash_se | white_gecko: xtscal |
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| 13:44.23 | Tyrael | mickey|train: Thanks. With gst-meta-audio and libspiff it works! |
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| 13:46.39 | white_gecko | ok thankyou |
| 13:47.00 | white_gecko | it doesn't work but i nead mor pasience for this |
| 13:47.07 | white_gecko | pacience |
| 13:47.23 | white_gecko | I don't know |
| 13:47.26 | white_gecko | cu |
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| 13:55.19 | zash_se | where is the font-size setting for the terminal |
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| 14:02.34 | zash_se | okay, ctrl+shift+[+_] |
| 14:02.52 | zash_se | i can increase fontsize, but not decreease |
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| 14:22.24 | zash_se | aha |
| 14:22.43 | zash_se | mrxvt +xft |
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| 14:28.33 | Danker | Hi |
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| 14:28.58 | Danker | Please somebody promise that openmoko will be released before new year :D |
| 14:29.12 | mmazur | I promise. |
| 14:29.14 | Danker | With end-user neo :) |
| 14:29.22 | Danker | Thanks ;) |
| 14:29.27 | mmazur | n/p |
| 14:29.28 | Danker | I am counting on you :D |
| 14:29.36 | mmazur | Have no fear. I never fail. |
| 14:30.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 793 has been created by kegin7595(AT)yahoo.com.tw |
| 14:30.02 | cdbot2 | * * No package 'matchbox-panel' found |
| 14:30.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=793 |
| 14:30.06 | thomasg_ | hm, where can I get the openmoko graphics and what licence are do they have? |
| 14:31.54 | zash_se | thomasg_: check the wiki? |
| 14:31.54 | mickey|ICE79 | in svn. creative commons |
| 14:31.54 | Danker | thomasg_: cvs? |
| 14:31.54 | thomasg_ | k, thx |
| 14:31.54 | mickey|ICE79 | or do you mean the logo and stuff? for this we have a dedicated trademark guide on the wiki |
| 14:31.54 | thomasg_ | mickey|ICE79, can I set the CC-variable in the local.conf? |
| 14:31.54 | thomasg_ | I meant the graphics of the gtk-widgets (buttons) and so on |
| 14:31.55 | mickey|ICE79 | thomasg_: you could. but what would you want to achieve? |
| 14:32.00 | mickey|ICE79 | you'd break all the logic re. native / cross packages |
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| 14:32.08 | thomasg_ | mickey|ICE79, I want to set CC to gcc -m32 |
| 14:33.56 | mickey|ICE79 | always? |
| 14:33.56 | thomasg_ | yes |
| 14:33.57 | mickey|ICE79 | or just for native packages? |
| 14:33.57 | mickey|ICE79 | hmm |
| 14:33.57 | thomasg_ | hm, native could be enough |
| 14:33.57 | mickey|ICE79 | aha |
| 14:33.57 | thomasg_ | you remeber my amd64 -> i686 problem? |
| 14:33.57 | mickey|ICE79 | yeah |
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| 14:33.57 | thomasg_ | as my gcc returns long=8 byte, I want him to return long=4 byte |
| 14:33.58 | thomasg_ | my gcc has multilib support, but somehow it seems that it is not used in openmoko/openembedded |
| 14:33.58 | mickey|ICE79 | in that case i recommend |
| 14:35.13 | mickey|ICE79 | BUILD_CC_ARCH += "-m32" |
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| 14:35.13 | thomasg_ | ok, sounds reasonable |
| 14:35.27 | mickey|ICE79 | and check whether this setting gets picked up then |
| 14:35.29 | mickey|ICE79 | ah well |
| 14:35.29 | mickey|ICE79 | not ARCH |
| 14:35.32 | mickey|ICE79 | better try BUILD_CFLAGS |
| 14:35.34 | mickey|ICE79 | compare class/native.bbclass |
| 14:36.02 | mickey|ICE79 | this is where we set CC [and more] for native packages |
| 14:37.06 | thomasg_ | ok, I'll try. thx |
| 14:37.15 | thomasg_ | you're sitting in the ICE at moment? |
| 14:37.27 | mickey|ICE79 | ya |
| 14:37.31 | thomasg_ | gprs? :) |
| 14:37.38 | mickey|ICE79 | yep |
| 14:37.42 | mickey|ICE79 | slow as molasses |
| 14:38.35 | thomasg_ | oh yeah |
| 14:38.35 | thomasg_ | for surfing it's ok, but for ssh it sucks |
| 14:38.36 | thomasg_ | I tried this from nuremberg to munich last month |
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| 14:39.09 | mickey|ICE79 | i need a umts phone |
| 14:39.10 | mickey|ICE79 | still using my good 'ole Motorola A780 for gprs |
| 14:39.10 | mickey|ICE79 | EZX platform |
| 14:39.22 | thomasg_ | well, at least I had not a single interruption |
| 14:40.52 | thomasg_ | well, umts in trains is not that good, as there is bad supply (on the most railway lines there is only gsm/gprs/edge available) |
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| 14:41.11 | mickey|ICE79 | ok, Kassel now. 80 minutes more and then I'm back in FFM |
| 14:41.33 | thomasg_ | I prefer taking the car :) |
| 14:41.55 | mickey|ICE79 | i'm changing the meaning of hold-aux-for-more-than-one-secon |
| 14:42.11 | mickey|ICE79 | d |
| 14:42.11 | mickey|ICE79 | it'll popup a menu like the power button, but with non-power related options |
| 14:42.12 | mickey|ICE79 | makes the power menu free for powering peripherals |
| 14:42.14 | mickey|ICE79 | BT,GPS,GSM,WIFI,USB |
| 14:42.40 | thomasg_ | sounds good |
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| 14:44.32 | mickey|ICE79 | well, i can work during train trips |
| 14:44.32 | mickey|ICE79 | can't do that when I'm driving |
| 14:44.56 | thomasg_ | thats true, but I don't like trains |
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| 14:45.41 | thomasg_ | mickey|ICE79, thanks, BUILD_CFLAGS works! |
| 14:45.41 | mickey|ICE79 | yep. and the panel applets won't be there unconditionally, but just when the respective peripherals have power |
| 14:45.41 | mickey|ICE79 | makes it more consistent all-in-all |
| 14:45.49 | thomasg_ | gmp-native builds now |
| 14:45.51 | mickey|ICE79 | cool |
| 14:46.11 | thomasg_ | now I have to fix gcc-cross-initial, but this shouldnt be a such big thing |
| 14:46.29 | mickey|ICE79 | cool. please add a wiki page about that |
| 14:46.36 | thomasg_ | ok, I'll do |
| 14:47.50 | thomasg_ | how can/should I make the wiki link available (I hate wikis for "hiding" all articles if the are not linked on a front page) |
| 14:48.23 | mickey|ICE79 | thanks |
| 14:48.33 | mickey|ICE79 | i can imagine more and more people going x86_64 in the future |
| 14:48.37 | mickey|ICE79 | will save them some headaches |
| 14:49.04 | thomasg_ | yes, especially if efl becomes more popular |
| 14:49.10 | mickey|ICE79 | although only hardcore guys should need to build OE in the future |
| 14:49.47 | thomasg_ | I'll have to take a look at the matchbox-vkeyboard, maybe I can make it use my (coming) edje-vkeyboad-gui |
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| 14:50.18 | mickey|ICE79 | thomasg_: i think we have a troubleshooting page do we? |
| 14:50.18 | mickey|ICE79 | or something along the lines |
| 14:50.32 | thomasg_ | XorA, normal users don't :) |
| 14:50.54 | thomasg_ | do bitbake edje-viewer and you will. I promise. |
| 14:51.05 | Tyrael | when I load mediaplayer playlist I get "gstreamer error: resource busy or not avaiable". in the playlist the uri is: <location>file:///media/card/02.mp3</location> |
| 14:51.14 | mickey|ICE79 | ~lart old tracks |
| 14:51.14 | apt | eats old tracks and falls over dead |
| 14:51.14 | mickey|ICE79 | *shaking* |
| 14:52.23 | jeddy3_ | is there any way to invoke libgsm-tool non-interactively? or any other way to send sms but with libgsm-tool? |
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| 14:53.08 | mickey|ICE79 | tholin: that would rock |
| 14:53.08 | mickey|ICE79 | thomasg_: that would rock (edje-vkeyboarD) |
| 14:53.08 | mickey|ICE79 | Tyrael: killall pulseaudio |
| 14:53.08 | mickey|ICE79 | gstreamer and pulse are competing over the alsa device |
| 14:53.09 | mickey|ICE79 | but gstreamer using pulse as backend is too slow on GTA01 |
| 14:53.09 | mickey|ICE79 | jeddy3: congrats |
| 14:53.52 | mickey|ICE79 | i'm afraid not yet. there should be sms support in mokogsmd and then python bindings |
| 14:53.54 | jeddy3_ | mickey|ICE79, btw, there seems to be something really wrong with python-setuptools...easy-install puts i686-eggs in site-packages, that can't be correct, right? |
| 14:54.01 | thomasg_ | mickey|ICE79, well, it's not a normal vkeyboard, more an alternative one :) |
| 14:54.02 | Tyrael | great! Thanks a lot! |
| 14:55.12 | mickey|ICE79 | but all of that is not ready yet |
| 14:55.12 | mickey|ICE79 | uuaaah sha sha sha kk kk ii ng |
| 14:55.12 | mickey|ICE79 | damn these tracks suck |
| 14:55.12 | mickey|ICE79 | my poor harddisk.... |
| 14:55.12 | mickey|ICE79 | jeddy3: well, it's somewhat correct. it's not actually i686 eggs, just the label is wrong |
| 14:55.12 | mickey|ICE79 | patches appreciated :) |
| 14:55.12 | mickey|ICE79 | cross compiling python stuff is a bit tricky |
| 14:56.31 | mickey|ICE79 | at least it works at all |
| 14:56.31 | jeddy3_ | mickey|ICE79, ah :)...but still...for example package python-evas does NOT make python aware of evas module |
| 14:59.45 | mickey|ICE79 | hmm i had no problems building, installing, and importing python-efl |
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| 15:01.50 | PBeck | hi |
| 15:01.50 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:21.44 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Tyrael]] [[License]] [[Commercial_models]] [[Business:Mobile_photo_frame]] [[Booting_from_SD]] [[Talk:GUI_Style_Guidelines]] |
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| 15:41.26 | Writchie|away | /Writchie |
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| 15:42.56 | yoyo_ | Are there any plans to implement a sync system to pim apps? |
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| 15:48.25 | raster | yoyo_: that'd be nice |
| 15:48.25 | raster | but first having decent pim apps will be nice |
| 15:48.26 | yoyo_ | callendar and so on |
| 15:49.58 | andylockran | I notice that calls auto-recognise the people on the SIM phonebook (attribtute a name to the number) but nothing shows in the GUI |
| 15:50.08 | andylockran | will the contacts GUI support SIM-stored contacts? |
| 15:52.20 | kristian-m | jeddy3 I implemented a python interface to libgsmd-tool using python-subprocess and threads - you can just take ProcessInterface from SettingsGUI - call ProcessInterface("%s -m shell" % LIBGSM_TOOL) and then use the methods write_to_process() and register_event_handler()... |
| 15:52.52 | kristian-m | jeddy3 I know it's stupid, but was fun ;-) |
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| 16:18.37 | aloril | (script) planet: Stefan Schmidt: Catching up with OpenEZX again http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/weblog/archives/2007/09/#e2007-09-03T14_15_44.txt Stefan Schmidt: Mobile Developer Days 2007 are over http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/weblog/archives/2007/09/#e2007-09-03T13_53_16.txt |
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| 16:23.20 | kristian-m | Waahh! /me just used the ballpen on the display - I know this would happen one day. :-/ |
| 16:23.39 | kristian-m | hmm, seems clean again |
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| 16:43.08 | dcordes | uname -r |
| 16:43.12 | dcordes | sry |
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| 16:44.36 | LittleIdiot | k-s[AWAY_WORK]: who cares? |
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| 17:00.50 | yoyo_ | so quiet |
| 17:01.37 | khaije | the gtav02 is scheduled for november right? |
| 17:01.41 | compbrain | I toasted one of my moko batteries last night waiting for 2007.2 to boot |
| 17:01.48 | SpeedEvil | October, in theory |
| 17:02.00 | SpeedEvil | nobody with a clue has updated us. |
| 17:02.17 | khaije | i see |
| 17:02.37 | SpeedEvil | And you'd think they might - as they have to know if the current 02 hardware they are comfortable with starting mass production in the next week. |
| 17:02.55 | SpeedEvil | And you'd think they might - as they have to know if with the current 02 hardware they are comfortable with starting mass production in the next week. |
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| 17:03.24 | khaije | could you rephrase that, i don't quite understand |
| 17:04.02 | SpeedEvil | To be available to be arriving with paying users at the end of this month, production has to start in a week or so at most. |
| 17:04.44 | SpeedEvil | Call it a week production, 5 days shipping to the US, 5 days processing at FIC US, 5 days shipment. Takes most of a month |
| 17:04.49 | yoyo_ | I think there wheel by delays |
| 17:04.50 | jroman | hi all! |
| 17:04.57 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
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| 17:05.11 | khaije | SpeedEvil: ah, gotcha, i hope not |
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| 17:06.23 | yoyo_ | it is all musty impossible to release gta02 on time. example. build today snap from openmoko (software) |
| 17:06.29 | khaije | the latest image is pretty nice (aside from the strange calibration thing) |
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| 17:07.33 | yoyo_ | visual is not all. what is about call, sms, gps, wifi, all pim is not finished ... |
| 17:07.55 | SpeedEvil | Sort-of, no, no, no, no |
| 17:07.59 | yoyo_ | correct my if I'm wrong |
| 17:08.14 | khaije | i'm trying to be patient enough to wait until they announce the next iteration before deciding which to get :-( |
| 17:08.41 | SpeedEvil | It's not been confirmed that 01 will be available after 01 ships |
| 17:09.22 | khaije | no i mean 02 or 03 ;-0 |
| 17:09.22 | jroman | I'm building a kernel image without mokomakefile, but the system hang up after "freeing unused kernel memory", I'm getting this steps http://pastebin.ca/680106 anybody know what i am missing? |
| 17:09.53 | yoyo_ | for present moment Im really happy to have a gta01 :) it giving my meny hh of fun |
| 17:13.20 | khaije | yoyo_: is it usable though? and how is the speed & responsiveness? |
| 17:13.20 | jroman | are necessary any sort of boot parameters? |
| 17:13.21 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 794 has been created by kegin7595(AT)yahoo.com.tw |
| 17:13.21 | cdbot2 | * * No package 'matchbox-panel' found |
| 17:13.21 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=794 |
| 17:13.21 | yoyo_ | khaije: can you yous sampler english I don't understand |
| 17:13.21 | yoyo_ | simplier |
| 17:14.22 | khaije | yoyo_: ah sorry! i would like know... is it useful as a primary phone? |
| 17:14.58 | khaije | yoyo_: and also, how is the experience of using it? is it pleasant |
| 17:15.51 | yoyo_ | it is not a my primary phone :( I live it at home. |
| 17:16.39 | SpeedEvil | It is _not_ suitable as a phone. |
| 17:16.54 | SpeedEvil | And will not be for months. |
| 17:17.07 | yoyo_ | Im at present time it PLAY it is a provider in poland. and it works on a rouming using infrastructure of other net. Moko all time reconect from network to network. and for my it is a problem. |
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| 17:17.37 | yoyo_ | other thing is that that it don't have a gui for a sms |
| 17:18.14 | khaije | hmm, ok |
| 17:18.44 | khaije | i know it's not ready for primetime but i thought it was further along than that |
| 17:19.17 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Gaming_docking_station]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Ruggedized]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Analogue_gaming]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Digital_gaming]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] and other changes |
| 17:19.26 | khaije | bbl |
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| 17:25.08 | thomasg | hm, I can't find the pixmaps of the OM-specific gtk-widgets in the svn. anyone a hint for me? |
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| 17:41.20 | kristian-m | thomasg in the theme maybe? - i think that is in the OE svn, could not access that one myself yet |
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| 17:44.41 | morten__ | Hail |
| 17:45.01 | awesomo4000_ | anyone doing builds using debian etch (4.0r1) ? |
| 17:48.06 | morten__ | I was wondering if anyone could answer me a Q: I've made a soft keyboard for the neo. All i need now it to make the keyboard hook. Since openmoko already has a text input widget i was thinking i could use that code. Anyone know where i get ahold of the source for the keyboard on the neo |
| 17:48.07 | awesomo4000_ | i hope you made the keys bigger. |
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| 17:48.07 | awesomo4000_ | using a stylus is way too hard |
| 17:48.11 | thomasg | morten__, the neo's current oskeyboard is the matchbox-vkeyboard |
| 17:48.23 | thomasg | so you can find it somewhere in the matchbox (window manager) sources |
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| 17:49.06 | morten__ | Ok.. So i need to find matchbox sources. I'm only looking for the keyboard hooking. Anyone of you guys know how it's done on linux? |
| 17:49.45 | thomasg | morten__, I don't know, but as I am writing a keyboard-gui at moment, too, let me konw if you find something out :) |
| 17:49.58 | awesomo4000_ | morten__ : i'm working on setting up a proper dev environment so ... i haven't even checked out the code yet |
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| 17:51.20 | thomasg | awesomo4000_, so hurry up and stop watching south park :) |
| 17:51.26 | awesomo4000_ | ha ha ... |
| 17:51.56 | morten__ | Ok, thanks anyways ;) |
| 17:52.14 | awesomo4000_ | i'd like to use etch because its the latest .. but i'm getting sarge (31r6a) since the 'official' build server uses it <-- that is still correct, right? |
| 17:52.14 | kristian-m | morten__ me too, i just found out that the password-entry does not fire up the keyboard - would be nice to fix |
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| 17:52.23 | morten__ | thomasg, What keyboard gui are you working on? Are you a dev? |
| 17:52.33 | thomasg | erm, not really :) |
| 17:52.44 | thomasg | and it will be a 1-hand, 1-finger keyboard |
| 17:53.40 | morten__ | thomasg, Are you using tha same principle as me? take a look at: http://finger-keyboard.projects.openmoko.org/ |
| 17:53.55 | kristian-m | thomasg have you seen the one by Lars Hallberg? |
| 17:54.08 | thomasg | kristian-m, key2key.py you mean? |
| 17:54.23 | awesomo4000_ | got a screenshot ? |
| 17:54.38 | morten__ | Any of you have a link to key2key? |
| 17:54.59 | kristian-m | thomasg yes |
| 17:55.13 | kristian-m | http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/res/key2key.py |
| 17:55.18 | thomasg | morten__, key2key is the same you are doing :) |
| 17:55.23 | thomasg | my concept is completely different |
| 17:55.49 | morten__ | thomasg, Ok, thanks. how's the state of key2key? |
| 17:56.00 | thomasg | erm, afiak same prototype state |
| 17:56.07 | thomasg | theres a thread on the mailinglist |
| 17:57.14 | morten__ | thomasg, Maybe i should talk to him, see if we could coop to make it work |
| 17:57.24 | awesomo4000_ | what's key2key do ? |
| 17:57.25 | morten__ | Mine's got dynamic layout |
| 17:58.00 | thomasg | morten__, yes, I think cooperation would be cool if it results in a earlier release :) |
| 17:58.29 | thomasg | key2key has the same number of buttons, but 9 outputs per key (so 9 directions) |
| 17:59.12 | morten__ | Same here, but mine's got editable layout, that is. it will work for any language, specific needs |
| 17:59.30 | awesomo4000_ | i don't see code in there to make it input to another app.. was that the "hook" mentioned before ? |
| 17:59.47 | morten__ | thomasg, Do you have any way i can reach the man who's made this? |
| 18:00.52 | thomasg | morten__, mailinglist |
| 18:00.52 | morten__ | thomasg, Ok |
| 18:00.53 | thomasg | mom, I'll try to find his address |
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| 18:00.53 | morten__ | awesomo4000_, Yes, how does it work without a hook? |
| 18:00.53 | thomasg | morten__, querry |
| 18:00.53 | awesomo4000_ | is there an interface from python to the keyboard device driver somewhere ? |
| 18:01.25 | thomasg | awesomo4000_, I think/hope there's a low-level-interface |
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| 18:01.45 | awesomo4000_ | well ... if not ... we can write one ! |
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| 18:02.06 | thomasg | morten__, got the querry? you can't answer me there as you are not registered |
| 18:02.27 | morten__ | Oh.. |
| 18:02.58 | morten__ | thomasg, Did you send anything to me in chat? |
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| 18:05.25 | thomasg | morten__, I did :) |
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| 18:07.47 | thomasg | morten__, got it now? |
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| 18:18.01 | morten__ | thomasg, Yeah. you got my messages? |
| 18:18.10 | thomasg | no |
| 18:18.20 | thomasg | you can't send me messages, you are not registered on the network |
| 18:18.37 | morten__ | Ah.. crap |
| 18:18.46 | morten__ | Ok, first. Thanks! |
| 18:19.59 | morten__ | Your idea seems smart, but i'd do one minor change. remove the capital letters, and add a shif and a caps-lock. Doing this you could make your buttons double the size |
| 18:22.55 | awesomo4000_ | do you have a screenshot ? |
| 18:23.10 | morten__ | awesomo4000_, Me? |
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| 18:23.19 | awesomo4000_ | yeah |
| 18:23.53 | morten__ | Well, you've got python? |
| 18:24.17 | morten__ | and pygtk, because then you can try it |
| 18:24.39 | thomasg | morten__, I wanted to avoid such metakeys, every sing should be accessibla through a single move |
| 18:24.55 | thomasg | %s/sing/thing ... |
| 18:25.39 | kristian-m | morten__ url? |
| 18:25.59 | morten__ | thomasg, I see, good luck on you app =) |
| 18:26.05 | awesomo4000_ | your keyboard is for large keys, finger entry, right ? |
| 18:26.35 | thomasg | btw. morten, I like your approach, hope to see a good final result from you and lars |
| 18:27.04 | thomasg | it's definately cool how much ideas there are for keyboards and so on |
| 18:27.08 | morten__ | awesomo4000_, Yes, 9 keys, only one finger, possibly two. signifficantly faster than standard mobilephone input |
| 18:27.43 | morten__ | Under the "Released files" --> http://finger-keyboard.projects.openmoko.org/ |
| 18:28.30 | morten__ | direct link: http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/13/nested.tar.gz You need python and pygtk, that's it |
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| 18:29.01 | morten__ | And, i've not tryed it on openmoko yet, as i do not own a phone |
| 18:29.20 | awesomo4000_ | excellent .. i have a phone .. working on getting the environment setup so then i can test it |
| 18:30.18 | kristian-m | morten__ I can make a screenshot for you... |
| 18:30.52 | kristian-m | morten__ http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/154303dd3576dceaaa0e8a629ea36f68.png |
| 18:31.29 | morten__ | What? does it work rigth out of the box? |
| 18:31.41 | kristian-m | yea, why not? :-) |
| 18:31.49 | Placid | people might be interested in this: http://digg.com/programming/Why_Java_s_Obsolete - would appreciated the diggs ;) |
| 18:31.54 | kristian-m | the keyboard is activated though |
| 18:31.59 | morten__ | Because.. because.. i dont know.. How cool =D |
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| 18:32.45 | morten__ | Yeah, see, how do i counter that? |
| 18:32.59 | kristian-m | morten__ and it's really usable, once you undertand the idea :-) |
| 18:33.49 | morten__ | kristian-m, Thanks :D |
| 18:34.09 | kristian-m | morten__ thank _you_ |
| 18:34.50 | awesomo4000_ | hey that looks pretty cool ... |
| 18:34.53 | morten__ | I only need to get rid of that keyboard popup, and get that hook sorted out and it's almost ready for release.. How cool, i never thougth anyone else than me would ever need my programs :P |
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| 18:36.31 | morten__ | kristian-m, Ok, i need your mokoknowledge. If i made a textbox at the top, would it be possible for you to copy from that. so you could copy/paste untill i get the hook sorted? |
| 18:36.44 | daxxar | kristian-m: What's that picture? Some strange input system? |
| 18:37.54 | morten__ | I'ts my keyboard idea ;D |
| 18:38.29 | kristian-m | morten__ i guess you could also put it right into the coppy&paste-buffer - and you should make the edit-field insensitive, of give away the focus, to prevent the keyboard from showing up |
| 18:39.24 | morten__ | If you want to write one of the big letters, just press it, else, start on the button the letter is on, and drag in the direction of the letter |
| 18:39.45 | daxxar | How does it position the letters? |
| 18:39.49 | daxxar | Static+ |
| 18:39.49 | daxxar | ? |
| 18:40.36 | morten__ | daxxar, No, that's the genious. I's a totaly dynamic layout where you can change very letter for every combination =D |
| 18:40.46 | kristian-m | morten__ use entry.select_region(0, -1) and entry.copy_clipboard() that should do the trick |
| 18:40.48 | daxxar | 'for every combination'? |
| 18:40.50 | morten__ | s/very/every |
| 18:40.59 | yoyo_ | the keyis good :) |
| 18:42.11 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: How "snappy" can the Openmoko GUI get using GTK? |
| 18:42.23 | morten__ | Yeah, you can set every possible gesture to a letter. lets say [0,0] -> [1,1] = g |
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| 18:42.50 | morten__ | that would be the 'a' button to the 'o' button would give you a g |
| 18:43.23 | morten__ | kristian-m, On your screenshot i don't see the entry, why? |
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| 18:43.48 | kristian-m | morten__ is there one? - maybe the onscreen-keyboard moved it away |
| 18:44.31 | morten__ | kristian-m, I think so, becaus it should have a entry and a "Options" bar |
| 18:44.54 | morten__ | How do i get rid of that pop up keyboard then? :S |
| 18:46.46 | Jiten | I got this wild idea for how you could implement the interface for GTA02. Since it has accelerometers and 3d accelerator. Use 2 axis movement as a mouse and the third as zoom :) |
| 18:47.13 | kristian-m | morten__ use self.entry.set_sensitive(0) |
| 18:47.51 | Jiten | and maybe use the aux button for mouse button :) |
| 18:47.59 | morten__ | kristian-m, Ok |
| 18:48.16 | kristian-m | morten__ http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/23a86aa10e333dbc073b2252dfaa714d.png <-- but the text is not entered into the textentry |
| 18:48.22 | morten__ | Jiten, But issn't the moko toutchscreen? |
| 18:48.27 | awesomo4000_ | yeah |
| 18:48.39 | morten__ | kristian-m, I'm fixing it as we speak |
| 18:48.57 | Jiten | morten__: it is but that zooming would be rather natural way to have a huge desktop space where you can move about. |
| 18:49.11 | Jiten | of course, you can use the touchscreen for mouse button though |
| 18:49.34 | Jiten | yes, I guess I forgot that :) |
| 18:49.51 | morten__ | Ok, we're talking of the keyboard app now? |
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| 18:57.03 | awesomo4000_ | so...if i wanted to type "u" .. how do i ? |
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| 19:00.20 | morten__ | awesomo4000_, You would start at the middle field with the 'o'. then drag to the upper middle field with the 'n'. release the finger and voila! |
| 19:00.56 | awesomo4000_ | what is "drag" ? |
| 19:01.01 | awesomo4000_ | like slide my finger up |
| 19:01.04 | awesomo4000_ | ? |
| 19:01.59 | morten__ | New, edited source, with that autocopu function: http://projects.openmoko.org/frs/download.php/18/keyboard.tar.gz |
| 19:01.59 | morten__ | Yup ;) |
| 19:02.00 | awesomo4000_ | that sounds hard to do while driving |
| 19:02.00 | awesomo4000_ | : ) |
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| 19:02.18 | morten__ | awesomo4000_, Hehe, it's much easier than using a stylus. |
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| 19:03.12 | awesomo4000_ | one-handed works well ? |
| 19:03.51 | morten__ | awesomo4000_, I can't really say, as i don't own a neo yet. but ask kristian-m. he tried it seconds ago |
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| 19:05.31 | morten__ | awesomo4000_, But i think it would be easy using your thumb as the finger, and let the neo lie in your palm. That'd be one-handed |
| 19:05.32 | morten__ | kristian-m, Would you mind trying the new source? I'd be very greatfull |
| 19:05.32 | awesomo4000_ | cool .. will have to try it out .. |
| 19:06.16 | kristian-m | morten__ trying it right now - space and backspace would be great |
| 19:06.18 | morten__ | awesomo4000_, Please do, I'd be honoured. And tell people you know with a moko of it |
| 19:06.29 | awesomo4000_ | cool |
| 19:08.40 | morten__ | You can add space youself. just press "options"->"learn" then enter a whitespace in the entry, only a whitespace must be present. then you do the gesture you want to have as space. and press options->learn to turn learn off |
| 19:08.40 | morten__ | then you have your own space button |
| 19:08.50 | awesomo4000_ | i'm a python programmer too .. cool to see you can write something as fundamental as text input in a nice programming language . |
| 19:09.30 | awesomo4000_ | at least that key2key.py thing was neat i mean |
| 19:09.55 | kristian-m | morten__ I'll do, see lst screenshot ;-) |
| 19:09.57 | morten__ | awesomo4000_, I learnt python for about three weeks ago. I's SO great. never had a better programming experience than with python =) |
| 19:10.29 | mmazur | Yup. /me had the same thing when I first read the howtos a few years back |
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| 19:11.22 | awesomo4000_ | i've been using python since 1997 : ) |
| 19:11.38 | morten__ | kristian-m, Thank_you ^^ how cool you have use for it =) Do you hang around here often? I'll probably be back towmorrow adding functionality =) |
| 19:12.25 | kristian-m | morten__ you're welcome |
| 19:12.37 | kristian-m | awesomo4000_ i see python everywhere recently, it's great |
| 19:12.50 | morten__ | awesomo4000_, just look at list in python, it's the best invention since the microwave :P |
| 19:13.05 | awesomo4000_ | heh yeah ... |
| 19:13.39 | morten__ | kristian-m, did you manage to add space to a gesture? |
| 19:14.17 | morten__ | There is one problem with space you see. since it's just a space it doesn't show up |
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| 19:18.32 | kristian-m | morten__ maybe one could use underline |
| 19:18.55 | morten__ | kristian-m, Yeah, i'll fix that |
| 19:19.06 | awesomo4000_ | special case for space : ) |
| 19:19.13 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_OpenMoko_Ringtones_and_Sounds]] |
| 19:19.25 | awesomo4000_ | my motorola phone has a little _ |
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| 19:21.06 | kristian-m | morten__ or maybe all invalid combinations result in space. |
| 19:21.23 | kristian-m | morten__ debugoutput was already working that way |
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| 19:23.58 | morten__ | Did i make it so.. maybe i did |
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| 19:24.58 | morten__ | No, it should not be so, but i'm thinking of just adding a new col to the rigth. containing spapce, backspace and shift ++ |
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| 19:29.39 | Writchie | build is broken again - this time on scummvm |
| 19:30.52 | Writchie | it's starting to look like this is an impossible project to work on. |
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| 19:32.57 | riot | something with the MokoMakeFile or the corresponding svn seems to be wrong. Upon calling make setup after some lines svn exits with a file not found error: http://pastebin.com/m5de980ec |
| 19:33.07 | riot | or am i just doing something serioulsy wrong? |
| 19:34.06 | Writchie | riot: did you update the mokomakefile - it's changed in the last 20 hours or so |
| 19:34.20 | riot | yes. just some seconds before trying make setup |
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| 19:34.46 | Writchie | riot: my make setup worked but the build choked a few hours later on scummvm |
| 19:34.57 | riot | oop, some file-permissions seem bad |
| 19:35.06 | riot | oh, i want scummvm, too |
| 19:36.09 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2899 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/ (buttonactions.c buttonactions.h): |
| 19:36.09 | CIA-20 | openmoko: neod: UI change |
| 19:36.09 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * aux button on hold now opens up a popup menu -- same as power button on hold |
| 19:36.09 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * aux button contains non-power related menu items, power button menu power related items |
| 19:36.11 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: Current bugbears |
| 19:36.35 | Writchie | well - i'd prefer that we at least we have a stable base system - which we will never have with hourly untested commits |
| 19:36.45 | riot | wtf. my samba plays stupid. |
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| 19:38.19 | awesomo4000_ | Writchie ... there should be a "don't break the build" policy ! |
| 19:38.33 | ynezz | no, there are snapshots |
| 19:38.52 | awesomo4000_ | snapshots are considered the "stable" base to develop from then ? |
| 19:39.01 | Writchie | yeah, the how does one build a snapshop with mokomakefile?? |
| 19:39.07 | Writchie | s/the/then |
| 19:39.16 | Writchie | s/the/then/ |
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| 19:39.59 | riot | wtf.wtf. that stupid samba created files with other permissions than it is displaying now. |
| 19:40.37 | ynezz | Writchie: I don't know, but it should be described somewhere, since somebody already did |
| 19:41.42 | dcordes | riot: use rsync or such |
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| 19:42.06 | Writchie | AFAIK: - and I''ve build building continuously for two weeks, mokomakefile grabs whatever is being committed live at the moment |
| 19:42.23 | Writchie | this is next to useless. |
| 19:42.27 | dcordes | riot: oh, you in a win enviornment? |
| 19:42.32 | Writchie | no |
| 19:43.10 | Writchie | not on the build machine - I vnc into multiple linux boxes |
| 19:43.40 | ynezz | Writchie: http://pastebin.ca/680285 |
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| 19:45.09 | ynezz | as I understand it, 'thomasg' builts his own snapshot images |
| 19:45.09 | Writchie | if you look down a few lines you will see that I asked him what he meant by this. |
| 19:45.21 | Writchie | self built - means I made it my self as in i rolled my own. |
| 19:45.24 | riot | wtf. |
| 19:45.45 | Writchie | in other words, there really is no build system. |
| 19:46.11 | Writchie | you can't build for yourself with all sources release xyz of anything |
| 19:46.43 | Writchie | at least not with mokomakefile |
| 19:46.44 | riot | i'm using debian only. but the makefile (or svn?) creates some files with 555 instead of 666. How stupid is that?! |
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| 19:48.54 | Writchie | my idea of a build system is you have some stable toolchain version that creates binaries from sources - repeatable - and the binaries identical. |
| 19:50.31 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: Current bugbears |
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| 19:52.32 | riot | hmm.. some samba-problem.. but i can't figure it out |
| 19:54.01 | thomasg | ynezz, you understand right, I use own snapshots |
| 19:56.04 | Writchie | how hard would it be to just have a weekly snapshot from which everyone could build and verify ?? |
| 19:56.43 | Writchie | in addition to the continuous build of course |
| 19:57.33 | mwester | Writchie is exactly correct; while OE has a distributed version control tool at it's core, it is *NOT* designed to be used with stable snapshots. Rather OE fits the model of what I used to hear called a "continuous engineering tool". |
| 19:58.03 | ynezz | you can use branches, some kind of 'weekly' snapshot |
| 19:58.04 | Writchie | mwester: aka never working |
| 19:58.24 | gcb77 | That would be awesome... try current dev build with openmoko-devel-image and if that fails openmoko-snapshot-image |
| 19:58.25 | ynezz | or checkout the status of repo to some date |
| 19:58.29 | mwester | The "Continous Engineering" model, as applied to SCM, is a very good model with a minimum of integration required, but it only scales to very small teams, usually 12/ dozen active developers at mose. |
| 19:58.34 | mwester | s/mose/most/ |
| 19:59.12 | Writchie | mwester: i agree |
| 19:59.27 | Writchie | it seems to require short span of control |
| 20:00.05 | Writchie | it seems to work fine for less than a dozen core developers |
| 20:00.23 | Writchie | but it seems now 100 people are spinning their wheels to contribute |
| 20:00.35 | Writchie | and they don't have matching source/binaries to work with |
| 20:01.00 | riot | right. |
| 20:02.01 | riot | Thats why i usually rather like to develop python-apps. The whole process is far easier. But now bugfixing is at a higher priority. Yet i can't because i have to somehow build the stuff. |
| 20:03.20 | Writchie | you can't predict apriori what any particular would be developer may work on - so you need a working build system that creates everything. |
| 20:03.21 | Writchie | and the snapshot build has at a minimum to be tested and debug that it will at least build. |
| 20:03.28 | riot | omg. mtn scares me. |
| 20:05.04 | Writchie | mtn bb are not necessarily bad - they may be the best choices - but they have steep learning curves. That's why mokomakefile is a good idea. But it all has to made to work. |
| 20:06.30 | Writchie | otherwise the project will eventually have only the core developer left - and no-one who measures their time in $100's per hour |
| 20:06.31 | riot | steep, yep. Never seen those two beasts before, though i find the little things i've learned so far a) scary b) interesting |
| 20:06.31 | morten__ | kristian-m, I don't know if you're still there but now i've added backspace. you have to give a button "\b" it will be translated to backspace. if you want space just press any combination without a letter ;) |
| 20:06.31 | awesomo4000_ | heh ... i bought a phone to develop with... i want to recreate the build host |
| 20:06.31 | riot | awesomo4000_: you're in for some rough ride ;) |
| 20:06.31 | Writchie | first find some religion |
| 20:06.37 | awesomo4000_ | i downloaded sarge 3.1r6 |
| 20:06.39 | awesomo4000_ | netinst |
| 20:10.12 | awesomo4000_ | and i'm setting up under parallels in mac os x |
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| 20:10.13 | Writchie | with a few tweaks ubuntu 7.04 works fine - probably with least amount of fuss |
| 20:10.13 | yoyo_ | I give up :( . what should add to pkg-config to build application base on a glade xml |
| 20:10.13 | riot | hmm. say, how many SLOC do OE+OM have? |
| 20:10.13 | awesomo4000_ | ahh 7.04 is the latest ubunutu ? |
| 20:10.13 | awesomo4000_ | that would be easier .. |
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| 20:10.14 | pH5 | yoyo_: how about libglade-2.0? |
| 20:10.14 | Writchie | follow the instructions to apt-get the packages you need - see wiki |
| 20:10.15 | yoyo_ | I'w added |
| 20:10.15 | awesomo4000_ | Writchie: the OE environment is the tricky part ? |
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| 20:10.15 | yoyo_ | pH5: where can I past some text? to show you a problem |
| 20:10.15 | Writchie | mokomakefile will do all of the work |
| 20:10.15 | Writchie | as long as the build isn't borked - and it usually is borked |
| 20:10.16 | pH5 | yoyo_: rafb.net/paste |
| 20:10.48 | Writchie | from what I hear in this room it sounds like we'll soon run out of FLASH |
| 20:11.05 | morten__ | kristian-m, Are you here? |
| 20:11.54 | mwester | there's loads of stuff in the image right now that can be trimmed out; I think there will be plenty of flash. |
| 20:11.59 | yoyo_ | pH5: http://rafb.net/p/swpzbM48.html |
| 20:12.56 | Writchie | mwester: after it its trimmed out |
| 20:13.26 | Writchie | mwester: we will need a more selective install process rather than putting everything in the rootfs |
| 20:13.29 | mwester | I guess it depends on what you intend to install. I'm assuming a base image that each user would add applications to (like the Treo). |
| 20:14.19 | mwester | Right now the tool is "ipkg", but I hear that Angstrom is going to the debian dpkg format, which would probably be better. |
| 20:14.29 | yoyo_ | pH5: some ideas? |
| 20:15.02 | mwester | We should also expect the ability to install applications to a filesystem on the SD card, rather than just limit it to mp3s and such... (IMO) |
| 20:15.33 | Writchie | mwester: absolutely - especially for GTA01 which is only 64MB |
| 20:16.09 | SpeedEvil | Not core apps of course. |
| 20:16.35 | SpeedEvil | It absolutely must run on 64M, with some user data |
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| 20:16.54 | Writchie | mwester: 64MB is plenty for core apps - but all the games and images are the problem |
| 20:17.12 | pH5 | yoyo_: your environment is not set up correctly, ld is not looking for libs in the right places. |
| 20:17.27 | Writchie | the SD is not really what I would call "removable" |
| 20:17.35 | mwester | Right. But it seems to me that it wouldn't be unreasonable to have a video viewer, with codecs, and all supporting images, binaries, etc on the SD card along with the MPG movie I want to watch. |
| 20:18.06 | pH5 | yoyo_: try running this from inside a "bitbake -cdevshell <somepackage>" or look at the environment inside the devshell, especially LDFLAGS. |
| 20:18.16 | yoyo_ | pH5: I build it from mokomakefile :/ didn't change any thing in config file :/ |
| 20:18.31 | riot | oh, wonderful. My usb-network isn't working anymore. |
| 20:19.15 | Writchie | since the GTA02 is 256MB it seems to me that a 192MB partition on SD for the GTA01 makes sense to give it the same capacity. |
| 20:19.19 | mwester | Writchie: the SD card isn't removable physically -- but it makes sense to treat it as such (and a cool application would be to be able to read/write the SD card from a PC via bluetooth...) |
| 20:19.56 | pH5 | yoyo_: mokomakefile doesn't set up the cross compiling environment. as I understand, it only sets up the environment for bitbake, so you either need to make bitbake recipes or work from within bitbake, not modify that Makefile. |
| 20:20.25 | Writchie | you can write full partitions as such to the SD card now from a windows, mac, or linux box |
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| 20:22.54 | yoyo_ | pH5: hyy other app I can build that method :/ |
| 20:22.54 | Writchie | mwester: we could relatively easily make one VFAT partition on the SD behave as a USB mass storage device |
| 20:23.24 | Writchie | it requires a "gadget selector" app on the neo to say which gadget device should be loaded. |
| 20:23.39 | mjr | mwester, bnep+sftp |
| 20:23.50 | Writchie | you load the mass storage gadget and voila - it appears as a mass storage device to other systems. |
| 20:24.12 | Writchie | you can use BT now as mjr said - or even install samba |
| 20:24.40 | Writchie | GTA02 will probably bet for samba anyway |
| 20:24.48 | Writchie | s/bet/beg/ |
| 20:26.50 | Writchie | mjr: obex should be functionally equivalent to bnep+sftp at least for single files |
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| 20:28.05 | pH5 | Writchie: scummvm 0.9.1-r1 builds just fine here. |
| 20:29.27 | Writchie | it fails with "Looking for sdl-config.... non found" when building with mokomakefile |
| 20:29.46 | kristian-m | morten__ re |
| 20:29.47 | Writchie | and this of course means game over. |
| 20:30.51 | Writchie | pH5: it may have dependencies tied to the host system. |
| 20:31.03 | Writchie | as has been the case for other borked builds in the past. |
| 20:31.36 | pH5 | Writchie: this looks like a missing dependency on libsdl-native somewhere. |
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| 20:31.56 | roh | Writchie try updating your repo. there were changes to the scummvm package |
| 20:32.07 | pH5 | though qemu-native depends on libsdl-native, so it is built anyway. |
| 20:32.16 | pH5 | Writchie: did you by chance comment out the qemu build? |
| 20:32.29 | Writchie | pH5: no |
| 20:32.38 | Writchie | make update all |
| 20:32.46 | zedstar | writchie, sdl-config is probably part of libsdl-dev package? u got that |
| 20:33.04 | Writchie | i'm sure I don't have it on my host |
| 20:33.10 | Writchie | unless its part of the build |
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| 20:34.17 | Writchie | maybe my ideas of the tool chain here are not accurate |
| 20:34.29 | pH5 | hej roh, did you find time to add support for measuring the ac adapter's resistance to the pmu driver? |
| 20:35.34 | roh | nope.. i havent had that much time this weekend.. |
| 20:35.47 | roh | just rebuilding my repo clean |
| 20:37.03 | roh | but i have a usb cable with power-measurement tap now and want to build one for the battery to i can test the lm-suspend-power-off patch and similar stuff soon. |
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| 20:37.39 | pH5 | roh: ok, great. no hurry, just wanted to say I'll be interested as soon as it's ready. |
| 20:37.48 | roh | pH5 we should schedule a hacking session soon.. ;) have some small ideas |
| 20:37.53 | pH5 | definitely |
| 20:38.18 | roh | pH5 same here.. we then also need to add the values we find to uboot ;) |
| 20:39.16 | roh | till now there is no code i'm aware of even for our own coming up psu |
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| 20:41.39 | zedstar | writchie if it not on your host u probably need to apt-get libsdl1.2-dev if u debian/ubuntu for example |
| 20:41.54 | Writchie | that's what i am doing now |
| 20:42.00 | Writchie | but this is not how this is supposed to work |
| 20:42.09 | zedstar | why? |
| 20:42.22 | Writchie | these are part of the tool-chain |
| 20:42.40 | zedstar | well i would guess SDL is used for QEMU which runs on your host? |
| 20:42.45 | Writchie | it should not have depencies on my host system. |
| 20:43.07 | pH5 | Writchie: no, you need to bitbake libsdl-x11-native because the libsdl-x11 doesn't seem to provide a native sdl-config |
| 20:43.26 | pH5 | this is a metadata bug in either libsdl or scummvm, not sure. |
| 20:43.36 | roh | i think its an oe bug in that case |
| 20:43.51 | Writchie | pH5: in any case - its metadata? |
| 20:44.26 | zedstar | without SDL on your host how would QEMU run? |
| 20:44.31 | pH5 | Writchie: like roh said, a bug in oe. |
| 20:44.33 | Writchie | i had a similar thing with the X11ext |
| 20:45.32 | pH5 | either libsdl-x11 should depend on libsdl-x11-native so that anything that depends on libsdl-x11 can use sdl-config (though today use of pkg-config sdl would be preferred) |
| 20:45.36 | Writchie | far more subtle problems than not building are possible when picking up depencies from the wrong place |
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| 20:46.19 | pH5 | or scummvm patched to use pkgconfig or libsdl-x11 patched to provide a native sdl-config. I think the first method is the right one, probably. |
| 20:48.47 | yoyo_ | I run avay |
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| 20:48.48 | yoyo_ | si a |
| 20:48.48 | Writchie | pH5: roh: thanks for your help |
| 20:48.49 | awesomo4000_ | what's scummvm ? is that for games ? |
| 20:49.09 | pH5 | www.scummvm.org |
| 20:49.17 | roh | thats for monkey-island. |
| 20:49.32 | roh | you need a original game though. |
| 20:50.56 | Writchie | zedstar: why would my buildhost even need a graphics card or even x? |
| 20:51.15 | awesomo4000_ | it wouldn't |
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| 20:51.59 | zedstar | writchie are going to run a graphical emulator eg QEMU? |
| 20:52.05 | awesomo4000_ | or ... "shouldn't" : ) |
| 20:52.40 | Writchie | yes - but not necessarily on my build host |
| 20:53.26 | zedstar | writchie well if u dont need QEMU that is fine......i infact have but but dont use it as i just copy over to my neo instead |
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| 20:54.13 | Writchie | zedsatr: my point is just that the build host is just that - the machine that you use to build on. In this case is mostly cross builds. |
| 20:54.31 | Writchie | the native builds are always going to be problematic |
| 20:54.51 | zedstar | writchie: yeh i understand but if you are gonna run a graphical emulator on your buildhost that is different |
| 20:54.52 | Writchie | they should probably even be build somewhere else |
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| 20:56.25 | awesomo4000_ | i got feisty fawn running in ubuntu |
| 20:56.29 | awesomo4000_ | errr i mean parallels |
| 20:56.30 | Writchie | the native builds on OM are really specific to that particular native platform - rh, suse, deb, whatever |
| 20:57.21 | zedstar | i guess what u wanna build are some cross tools without QEMU if u dont have SDL etc |
| 20:58.45 | Writchie | zedstar: it's not for me - i'm speaking in terms of what the community needs/expects. You should be able to build on most any system and test on most any system including real device. |
| 20:59.07 | zedstar | writchie: what distro u on? |
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| 20:59.57 | Writchie | well i'm building on ubuntu at the moment, but i have rh, suse, and centos too. |
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| 21:00.42 | zedstar | writchie: have u read http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro |
| 21:01.09 | Writchie | zedstar: yes - and it not sufficient |
| 21:01.15 | awesomo4000_ | Writchie: you will helpp me duplicate your setup whenever i run into problems... this is the meaning of free tech support ... errr .. i mean "community involvement" |
| 21:01.21 | awesomo4000_ | : ) |
| 21:01.24 | Writchie | there are other depencies that i found the hard way. |
| 21:02.17 | Writchie | amewsomo4000: i lurk here and help where I can. Make sure your follow the wiki FIRST and you then find lots of help here where it doesn't work. |
| 21:03.19 | awesomo4000_ | cool : ) |
| 21:03.21 | zedstar | writchie: ok...well there at least tells u need libsdl1.2-dev for your system |
| 21:03.28 | awesomo4000_ | i'm not too high maintenance .. no worries .. |
| 21:03.47 | Writchie | zedstar: if it does then its new - i will look |
| 21:04.05 | zedstar | its always been there |
| 21:07.00 | pH5 | zedstar: it's there since 2007-08-17 and it's nonsense. libsdl-x11-native takes care of that dependency, no need to have it on the host from the beginning. |
| 21:07.55 | Writchie | zedstar: the Ubuntu instructions ommitted libsdl - it's listed only for debian. |
| 21:08.19 | Writchie | anyway, i am installing to get past the build. |
| 21:09.03 | zedstar | the ubuntu instructions say the above debian instructions apply |
| 21:09.35 | Writchie | well if that means literally, then most of it is duplicated. |
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| 21:10.34 | Writchie | anyway, i seem to already have libsdl1.2-dev |
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| 21:13.41 | zedstar | writchie: if u enter sdl-config it outputting anything? |
| 21:13.49 | zedstar | it find it? |
| 21:13.54 | riot | mtn: misuse: checkout directory '/mnt/network/ds_home/openmoko/openembedded' already exists |
| 21:14.06 | Writchie | zedstar: yes |
| 21:14.07 | riot | what does that mean when trying to "make setup" using the mokomakefile? |
| 21:14.52 | zedstar | writchie does the build get past that bit or still problem? |
| 21:16.01 | Writchie | zedstar: i am running another make update now |
| 21:16.29 | Writchie | IIRC it couldn't find the configuration file |
| 21:18.23 | zedstar | writchie: ok...anyways i got it working on ubuntu doing something like this if that helps.... |
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| 21:24.53 | Writchie | zedstar: build still fails: Looking for sdl-config... none found! |
| 21:25.05 | Writchie | sdl-config a binary program is there |
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| 21:26.41 | zedstar | writchie: u paste the output where it fails? |
| 21:33.35 | Writchie | zedstar: http://www.pastebin.ca/680435 |
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| 21:33.36 | Writchie | zedstar: i think its looking for this in the i686 directory of the build |
| 21:33.37 | awesomo4000_ | omg.. don't enable desktop effects in ubuntu 7.04 if you are running in parallels ... |
| 21:33.37 | awesomo4000_ | FYI |
| 21:33.46 | zedstar | writchie: i have only the host sdl-config on my system for example nothing in the build directory unlike pkg-config which i have both |
| 21:34.00 | zedstar | writchie: waiting for the site to load the paste.... |
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| 21:39.59 | Writchie | zedsatr: understanding this build worked yesterday - it became broken with the latest changes to scummVM |
| 21:42.15 | riot | ok.. one should never ctrl-c the mokomakefile anywhere.. *grr* |
| 21:42.15 | zedstar | writchie: looking at that it is the target configured sdl-config it is looking for.. i dont even have sdl-config in my build dir |
| 21:42.16 | Writchie | zedstar: that's what it looks like to me |
| 21:42.16 | Writchie | when did you last build yours? |
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| 21:42.48 | zedstar | writchie: hmmm probably about a week ago |
| 21:43.21 | Writchie | zedstar: well its changed since then, i've had successful builds up until today - last was yesterday in fact |
| 21:44.21 | Writchie | it looks like scummVM uses SDL on the target platform |
| 21:44.21 | zedstar | zedstar: oh ok i was under the impression u didnt build it from scratch.... yeh it does use SDL |
| 21:44.33 | Writchie | i don't remember scummVM even being in the build |
| 21:45.33 | zedstar | writchie: im not updating my environment much as i am building from command line stuff and just running on the neo which seems to work ok for me |
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| 21:46.58 | zedstar | writchie: even though it fails are your tools still intact for building hello world example etc? |
| 21:47.04 | Writchie | the build takes so long from scratch that everyone is motivated to update - but when the update is broken you are left with nothing - in future i will copy the whole directory. |
| 21:47.41 | Writchie | zedstar: i'm trying to work on gsmd libgsmd things but i can't if i don't have current source that matches the binaries i'm running. |
| 21:48.35 | zedstar | writchie: ok i guess that stuff is changing quickly as well |
| 21:48.35 | Writchie | i may just abandon trying to fix the current gsmd and libgsmd and just rewrite a proper d-bus layer for the modem from scratch. |
| 21:48.38 | pH5 | Writchie: why don't you just bitbake libgsmd then instead of the whole image, including for some strange reason scummvm? |
| 21:49.05 | zedstar | i need to learn that bitbake route also |
| 21:49.53 | Writchie | i was led to believe that i could just use mokomakefile |
| 21:50.18 | Writchie | it appears that you cannot really participate in this project unless you worship at the alter of bb |
| 21:52.23 | zedstar | can loose a lot of dev time with this stuff |
| 21:52.23 | awesomo4000_ | bb==bitbake==oe builder ? |
| 21:52.23 | Writchie | it's sad. i think the project is going to loose 90% of the potential developers |
| 21:52.24 | Writchie | you need to spend 10% on build system and 90% on what you are working on - not the other way around |
| 21:52.24 | zedstar | for the core stuff yeh its gonna be difficult |
| 21:52.24 | awesomo4000_ | whatever happened to ./configure && make && make install |
| 21:52.24 | zedstar | general application development is ok if u dont worry having the latest |
| 21:54.24 | Writchie | zedstar: but i am working below the application layers |
| 21:54.24 | zedstar | yeh u shafted ;) |
| 21:54.25 | awesomo4000_ | write all the apps in python ! .. then no worries .. |
| 21:54.25 | zedstar | i would like gpsd etc but i got plenty to get with right now |
| 21:54.25 | Writchie | well some of us more interested in the phone part ;) |
| 21:54.25 | zedstar | i would have carried on with 2007.1 but broke binary compitability on 2007.2 so more time wasted installing tools |
| 21:55.08 | zedstar | yeh working phone stuff be nice ;) |
| 21:55.11 | Writchie | atm 2007.1 is my only working tool chain - forutnately i have 2 devices |
| 21:56.02 | zedstar | u got one flashed with 2007.1 and one 2007.2 ? |
| 21:59.03 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:59.52 | rwhitby | scummvm depends on virtual/libsdl, which should stage sdl-config, and that is then picked up by scummvm configure |
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| 22:00.30 | rwhitby | BTW, if you just build openmoko-devel-image, instead of 'all' (which also builds all packages for an openmoko-feed), then it won't even try to build scummvm |
| 22:03.53 | lhaes | i want to use my hx4700 with openmoko. is there any howto? |
| 22:03.53 | lhaes | "koen" from the angström distribution made this step already, but i didnt found how. |
| 22:03.53 | aloril | lhaes: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:04.53 | lhaes | aloril2: ill try it thanks |
| 22:05.45 | mwester | Writchie: Once one learns what bitbake does, and how oe is organized, you'll find that you can easily reduce it to 10% overhead or less, and spend 90% on the thing you're interested in. |
| 22:07.00 | pH5 | morning rwhitby, thanks for that comment. I only just noticed binconfig.bbclass. |
| 22:07.03 | pH5 | and good night |
| 22:07.20 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r157 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Added image, tools and feed convenience targets. |
| 22:08.27 | rwhitby | people should run "make image" rather than "make all", unless they *really* do want *everything* *possible* to be built. |
| 22:09.32 | mwester | Might I suggest that the "all" target simply print a usage message regarding the targets that *should* be used, rather than default to anything? |
| 22:10.11 | Writchie | rwhitby: thanks. I was doing make update all because that was your recommendation last time? |
| 22:10.34 | mwester | Oops - freudian slip? :-D s/growning/growing/ |
| 22:10.42 | rwhitby | Writchie: yep, 'all' is my recommendation, cause that flushes out all the build problems in everything. |
| 22:12.59 | rwhitby | if someone has done an update and scummvm -r1 doesn't build, I'd like to see a pastebin |
| 22:12.59 | Writchie | rwhitby: http://www.pastebin.ca/680435 - how's that for service |
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| 22:13.14 | rwhitby | what does the --with-sdl-prefix line in packages/scummvm/scummvm.inc say? |
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| 22:15.40 | rwhitby | Writchie: ^^ |
| 22:15.45 | Writchie | rwhitby: with-sdl-prefix=$(STAGING_BINDIR_CROSS}/.. |
| 22:16.07 | Writchie | in openembedded/packages/scummvm |
| 22:16.22 | rwhitby | ok, you've got the latest package recipe, good. |
| 22:17.16 | rwhitby | what does "find build/tmp/staging -name sdl-config" say? |
| 22:18.30 | Writchie | not finding it |
| 22:21.49 | rwhitby | the virtual/libsdl DEPENDS in scummvm bb file is supposed to stage that. |
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| 22:24.40 | Writchie | rwhitby: don't seem to be getting a u-boot image |
| 22:25.20 | rwhitby | yep |
| 22:25.46 | Writchie | np - whenever you get to it :) |
| 22:26.26 | rwhitby | not up to me - uboot-openmoko doesn't build for me at the moment |
| 22:26.28 | Writchie | now I get it - this is the bitbake tutorial |
| 22:26.49 | awesomo4000_ | is there a way to just build a kernel and shell with the current build system .. then make the image manually |
| 22:26.50 | lhaes | bye |
| 22:27.41 | rwhitby | awesomo4000_: if you learn raw bitbake commands, yes. |
| 22:29.27 | awesomo4000_ | looks like time to learn then ... |
| 22:30.00 | awesomo4000 | test |
| 22:30.24 | Writchie | rwhitby: is libsdl-qpe the correct dependency? |
| 22:31.38 | rwhitby | libsdl-x11 is the one which gets built, and which should stage the sdl-config file |
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