| 00:00.44 | a_thing | Wtf does the off-the-hook sound mean when you call a cell phone? |
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| 00:13.31 | cesarb | http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2007-September/008470.html <- so this one is the culprit for the recent breakage |
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| 00:26.26 | rtyler | anybody familiar with the build system enough to enlighten me on how you can get the MokoMakefile to add ipkg's that are built to the rootfs? |
| 00:27.00 | kristian-m | mwester same here, ack |
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| 00:27.20 | rtyler | kristian-m: you can get the new stuff to build :-o |
| 00:27.52 | kristian-m | rtyler yes, had to exclude feedreader though |
| 00:28.11 | kristian-m | rtyler some hours agao |
| 00:28.18 | cesarb | rtyler: the way I use is described at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/Using_a_local_overlay |
| 00:28.19 | rtyler | with MokoMakefile? |
| 00:28.55 | kristian-m | rtyler nop bitbake openmoko-kriss-image ;-) |
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| 00:39.45 | hhf423 | Re |
| 00:39.56 | rtyler | afternoon hhf423 |
| 00:40.11 | hhf423 | Hi rtyler |
| 00:43.29 | hhf423 | I see that laf0rge has done some good work on uboot which will hopefully allow for better/faster gsmd development |
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| 00:46.28 | hhf423 | Re |
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| 00:49.31 | hhf423 | rtyler: you working on anything specific ? |
| 00:49.41 | rtyler | hhf423: Mono |
| 00:50.14 | hhf423 | mono the what? |
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| 00:51.58 | hhf423 | the .net compatible thing? |
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| 01:02.43 | hhf423 | hi DukeOfURL |
| 01:10.27 | DukeOfURL | hi! |
| 01:20.32 | hhf423 | all asleep here, eh? |
| 01:21.06 | DukeOfURL | I'm in Denver. You? |
| 01:21.36 | gcb77 | How do I create a Packages.gz in my local folders? |
| 01:22.03 | hhf423 | why can i see all the connects and disconnects? channel not in conference mode? |
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| 01:22.28 | Aria | Southwest colorado here. After dinner. |
| 01:22.36 | hhf423 | i am in germany, middle of the night here |
| 01:23.10 | hhf423 | gcb77: no idea ;-) |
| 01:23.11 | dotmef | Australia - good morning :-) |
| 01:23.31 | hhf423 | yo mate ;-) |
| 01:23.43 | freelock | gcb77: Where? I'm in Queen Anne... |
| 01:24.11 | dotmef | hhf423: maaaate. where's you at? |
| 01:24.12 | gcb77 | freelock: bellevue |
| 01:24.17 | DukeOfURL | Aria: Cortez? |
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| 01:25.22 | Aria | DukeOfURL: Close. Ridgway. |
| 01:25.24 | hhf423 | gcb77: germany |
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| 01:26.21 | DukeOfURL | We drove through there last summer. I believe Ouray is probably the most beautiful place on earth, that and the drive over Red Mtn pass |
| 01:27.32 | Aria | Yep. Pretty much. |
| 01:27.53 | Aria | Or among the places that beautiful, the one not plagued by bugs, mudslides and not often by fires. |
| 01:28.44 | freelock | I used to live in Alaska, and you got that bug thing right... |
| 01:30.04 | dotmef | see ta |
| 01:30.05 | DukeOfURL | can't say I miss the mosquitos here in Colorado. |
| 01:30.13 | dotmef | s/ta/ya/ |
| 01:30.18 | DukeOfURL | nite |
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| 01:31.59 | Aria | Nor I. |
| 01:32.03 | Aria | I love Colorado for that. |
| 01:33.21 | DukeOfURL | and the low humidity. 'tis a privilege to live in Colorado. |
| 01:33.48 | DukeOfURL | What service providers are there in Ridgeway? |
| 01:34.55 | Aria | Ouraynet, Montrose internet, Qwest, me (The Internet Company) |
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| 01:45.20 | DukeOfURL | what GSM providers? |
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| 01:47.22 | DukeOfURL | Is The Internet Company an ISP? ITSP? |
| 01:49.38 | mentax | why when I updating system I have "kiled" |
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| 01:54.48 | rtyler | ERROR: '/home/tyler/source/openmoko/openembedded/packages/webkit/webkit-gtk_svn.bb' failed |
| 01:55.08 | rtyler | damnit, who did this :) |
| 01:59.40 | dotmef | rtyler: are you getting the "directory not found" error. or something else? |
| 02:00.09 | rtyler | dotmef: no, do_compile ails |
| 02:00.12 | rtyler | fails too |
| 02:00.28 | dotmef | what's the error it's failing on? |
| 02:00.55 | rtyler | | /home/tyler/source/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libicui18n.so: undefined reference to `__cxa_pure_virtual@CXXABI_1.3' |
| 02:01.00 | rtyler | lots of those |
| 02:01.07 | dotmef | yep - that's where I'm up to |
| 02:01.49 | cesarb | rtyler: that means you have to clobber your whole build and start from the beginning |
| 02:02.04 | rtyler | cesarb: should I just nuke my build/ directory? |
| 02:02.15 | rtyler | I haz teh horsepowar ;) |
| 02:02.15 | cesarb | rtyler: NO |
| 02:02.19 | rtyler | hehj |
| 02:02.21 | cesarb | rtyler: build/tmp only |
| 02:02.34 | cesarb | rtyler: the error is because of a new gcc version on openembedded |
| 02:02.42 | dotmef | ah |
| 02:03.03 | rtyler | dotmef: I can run through it now if you want to wait ;) |
| 02:03.50 | DukeOfURL | I nuked build/tmp, but it didn't rebuild uboot |
| 02:04.12 | dotmef | rtyler: yep! cool with me :-D |
| 02:04.56 | dotmef | rtyler: I have to spend some time un-modding some stuff I was playing with anyway |
| 02:05.11 | rtyler | alright, I already kicked off the build |
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| 02:09.21 | dotmef | this is prolly a good thing. I think my tmp dir needs a spring clean anyway |
| 02:10.57 | rtyler | i.e. an extermination? :P |
| 02:11.34 | dotmef | well, yes. dalek style spring clean |
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| 02:14.34 | dotmef | rtlyer: how long do you think it'll take to rebuild? |
| 02:15.59 | rtyler | this is a dual core Opteron, relatively light load, so it should be done in under 2 hours >_> |
| 02:17.01 | dotmef | ja. I'm gunna nuke and rebuild now. |
| 02:17.20 | dotmef | I need all the time I can get :-D |
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| 02:19.58 | cesarb | rtyler: how long since you last built? I think this bug started appearing a few days ago... |
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| 02:20.21 | rtyler | cesarb: a while ago, I was previously getting lots of failed builds because somebody frakked up the kernel :P |
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| 02:21.14 | rtyler | ah, I think I found your problem |
| 02:21.33 | rtyler | "dual-core *P4* @2.40 GHz" |
| 02:22.19 | dotmef | rtyler: what kind of disk are you using? |
| 02:23.04 | rtyler | no clue, sata in some form or another >_> |
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| 02:24.01 | cesarb | rtyler perhaps uses noatime |
| 02:24.14 | cesarb | rtyler: or configured parallel make on bitbake |
| 02:24.54 | rtyler | cesarb: I doubt I did that, and I'm probably getting it wrong, so I'd love to know how to do parallel bitbakes :D |
| 02:24.57 | rtyler | make -j4 doesn't work |
| 02:25.01 | rtyler | well -j anything |
| 02:25.40 | dotmef | cesarb: yes. noatime is a good idea, that I must implement on my system. |
| 02:26.06 | thomasg | rtyler, just set the variables in the local.conf, threading works perfectly for me |
| 02:26.39 | thomasg | PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j 5" |
| 02:26.39 | thomasg | BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "5" |
| 02:28.11 | cesarb | dotmef: you'll fill that back up in no time |
| 02:28.21 | dotmef | lol |
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| 02:35.31 | cesarb | Why do we have to compile qemu twice? qemu-native and then mokomakefile's build-qemu... |
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| 02:41.40 | rwhitby | cesarb: one would hope that the qemu-native would be reduced to just build qmake |
| 02:41.51 | rwhitby | (since that is all it is used for) |
| 02:42.00 | gcb77_ | what's the app on http://scap.linuxtogo.org that shows battery info? |
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| 02:46.08 | raster | grrr |
| 02:46.22 | raster | anyone here build pcs often? |
| 02:46.39 | Aria | Often enough. |
| 02:46.42 | raster | ok |
| 02:46.43 | Aria | What's up? |
| 02:46.49 | raster | get ne mb, cpu, ram, etc. |
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| 02:46.56 | raster | powersupply from previous box - atx |
| 02:46.58 | raster | known to work |
| 02:47.03 | raster | plutg it all in |
| 02:47.10 | raster | green "i have volatage" light is on on the mb |
| 02:47.14 | raster | but no matter what u do |
| 02:47.18 | raster | thing doesnt power up |
| 02:47.21 | raster | no fanspits |
| 02:47.23 | raster | no beps |
| 02:47.24 | raster | nada |
| 02:47.32 | raster | no form of indication of what the issue is |
| 02:47.41 | raster | other than a hosed MB |
| 02:47.43 | Aria | The power-on switch is connected right? Nothing sitting under the motherboard that would short? |
| 02:47.52 | raster | i cant think whats up |
| 02:48.04 | raster | boar is fre and clear of its base |
| 02:48.16 | raster | power connected (thew green voltage led on the mb wouldnt come on otherwise) |
| 02:48.21 | raster | and yes |
| 02:48.27 | Aria | And there's a 4-pin 12v line to the new motherboard? |
| 02:48.31 | raster | the power on witch to the case button is connected |
| 02:48.39 | raster | i'e connected and re-connected those suckers a dozen times |
| 02:49.06 | raster | the 2x2 connecttor next to the cpu? |
| 02:49.11 | Aria | Yeah. |
| 02:49.14 | raster | yup |
| 02:49.15 | raster | in |
| 02:49.18 | raster | 1 slight problem |
| 02:49.19 | Aria | Geez. |
| 02:49.20 | mwester | raster: I blew a cheap psu a few weeks ago by shorting the +12V rail. The MB leds worked fine, but nothing else. |
| 02:49.25 | raster | thanks to lack of any detailed docs at the store |
| 02:49.28 | raster | i got 4-4-4 mem |
| 02:49.33 | raster | not 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 |
| 02:49.39 | Aria | That should at least get you spinning fans though |
| 02:49.44 | raster | intels docs online if u dig say it only supports 5-5-5 or 6-6-6 |
| 02:49.53 | Aria | That is indeed a problem. |
| 02:49.54 | raster | but i'd expect beeps and spinning fans |
| 02:49.58 | Aria | (sounds lime the board I installed last night) |
| 02:50.05 | Aria | But I've never seen what happens when you get that wrong. |
| 02:50.07 | Aria | I'd expect the same. |
| 02:50.07 | mwester | It doesn't know the ram timings until it powers up... |
| 02:50.16 | raster | mwester: this psu isnt cheap :) |
| 02:50.33 | raster | yup |
| 02:50.35 | mwester | Got a voltmeter? Check your 12V. |
| 02:50.49 | raster | so i just want to be sure that this is trange |
| 02:50.52 | raster | if the ram is the problem |
| 02:50.56 | raster | i woudl expect SOME power-on |
| 02:51.04 | raster | and nup |
| 02:51.08 | raster | no volt meter :( |
| 02:51.22 | raster | but until last night this psu was powering another box happily |
| 02:51.31 | raster | i just unplugged it all and recycled |
| 02:52.05 | raster | (i rebuild my old media box - new case, but new case didnt do ATX psu - id only microatx, so i had the atx psu floatng out the back of the box for a while until i got a microatx one) |
| 02:52.23 | raster | i'd be surprised if its shorted... |
| 02:52.32 | Aria | Yeah, that's just weird. |
| 02:52.35 | raster | i could try the microatx pus that works... |
| 02:52.43 | raster | but i suspect a broken MB |
| 02:52.54 | raster | if i dont even get beps |
| 02:53.33 | Aria | Yeah. |
| 02:53.35 | raster | would that be right? |
| 02:53.38 | cesarb | raster: to get a beep it has to actually get to the BIOS... |
| 02:53.45 | raster | cesarb: yup |
| 02:53.46 | cesarb | raster: some kinds of problems get you before that |
| 02:53.51 | raster | it could be the cpu too... |
| 02:53.56 | cesarb | raster: like a reversed floppy or IDE cable |
| 02:54.03 | raster | no floppy or ide drives |
| 02:54.05 | raster | sata only |
| 02:54.06 | Aria | I can't think of anything but CPU, MB or PSU |
| 02:54.21 | raster | i took out the pci-e gfx card |
| 02:54.26 | Aria | Meh |
| 02:54.29 | raster | nada |
| 02:54.30 | cesarb | raster: well, one debugging trick: get everything out but CPU and memory |
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| 02:54.37 | raster | cesarb: did that |
| 02:54.38 | raster | :) |
| 02:54.43 | cesarb | raster: all disk drives, all PCI cards, everything |
| 02:54.50 | cesarb | raster: way ahead of me then ;-) |
| 02:55.50 | raster | yeah |
| 02:55.53 | raster | i'd love that |
| 02:55.55 | cesarb | got a new Dell at work, sometimes didn't power on, with a 1Hz amber light on the power button... |
| 02:56.03 | cesarb | the manual said "MB or PSU" |
| 02:56.04 | raster | all i have is the grel "12v voltage rail is ther" |
| 02:56.05 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.10 | raster | i think its that one |
| 02:56.13 | cesarb | the tech went with a PSU tester... it was the PSU |
| 02:56.31 | raster | 'll try my other psu... |
| 02:56.36 | cesarb | raster: the LED on most motherboards is for +5VSB... |
| 02:56.38 | raster | time to cannibalise stuff |
| 02:56.44 | raster | ooh ok |
| 02:56.50 | raster | but at leats i know the psu is party alive |
| 02:58.20 | cesarb | raster: well, the problematic Dell PSU we got had ONLY +5VSB alive |
| 02:58.33 | cesarb | raster: until you tried several times, then it started working normally |
| 02:58.44 | cesarb | raster: turn it off for several minutes, and it stopped working correctly again |
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| 03:05.40 | raster | well i'll be |
| 03:05.43 | raster | with the other psu |
| 03:05.49 | raster | we get spining fans |
| 03:05.55 | raster | and beeps |
| 03:06.06 | raster | what on earth happened to the working psu... |
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| 03:06.28 | raster | and now if i stick in my memory |
| 03:06.34 | raster | it seems to vaguely power on |
| 03:07.02 | Aria | Alright! |
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| 03:11.17 | mentax | when i want update openmoko i have message "Killed" what is it? |
| 03:12.22 | rwhitby | what does "update openmoko" mean precisely? |
| 03:13.26 | mentax | root@fic-gta01:~$ ipkg update |
| 03:13.26 | mentax | Killed |
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| 03:14.37 | raster | hha! |
| 03:14.45 | raster | and with my "unsuppoted" 4-4-4 mem in... |
| 03:14.46 | raster | it boots |
| 03:14.48 | raster | nicely |
| 03:14.50 | raster | to bios |
| 03:15.03 | raster | even tries to netboot (since i unplugged the hdd) |
| 03:15.09 | raster | bizarre |
| 03:15.24 | raster | how on earth did the psu go bums up between moving from box a to box b |
| 03:15.54 | cesarb | raster: something got loose? |
| 03:16.00 | raster | maybe |
| 03:16.23 | cesarb | raster: if it works when back on the original box I'll have to come up with a better explanation... |
| 03:16.30 | Aria | Or it's been tits up, but the new MB is just more sensitive. |
| 03:16.37 | cesarb | raster: like "the new box used too much power" for instance |
| 03:16.49 | raster | nup |
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| 03:16.57 | raster | psu that worsk = 250w |
| 03:17.01 | raster | psu that doest - 400w |
| 03:17.02 | raster | err |
| 03:17.03 | cesarb | PSUs and printers are two of the most problematic things on computing... |
| 03:17.06 | raster | 350 for working psu |
| 03:17.36 | raster | the "tits up" mb i actually bought only 1 months ago or so |
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| 03:17.41 | raster | its almost brand new |
| 03:17.51 | raster | so this is truly bizarre |
| 03:17.54 | Aria | Huh. |
| 03:18.39 | raster | unless it was the xfx gfx card |
| 03:18.52 | raster | it has this bizrre connector that wants 2 normal power connectors |
| 03:18.56 | raster | so i plugged in 2 |
| 03:20.47 | cesarb | raster: if it's the so-called "PCI express" 6-pin connector, it's not that bizarre |
| 03:21.01 | raster | hmm |
| 03:21.04 | cesarb | raster: it's quite common on higher-powered gfx boards |
| 03:21.12 | raster | my other nv cars only need the normal "hdd" connector |
| 03:21.27 | cesarb | raster: and it does need 2 separate leads from the power supply, since just one cannot carry that much current |
| 03:21.33 | raster | http://i2.neoseeker.com/neo_image/155084/article/8600_roundup/xfx%208600gts%20bundled%20hardware_thumb.jpg |
| 03:21.39 | raster | that connector on the right there |
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| 03:22.01 | raster | the one with 2 white bits and the black |
| 03:22.05 | raster | the black goes into the card |
| 03:22.19 | raster | the 2 white bits are your usual hdd/cd etc. power connectors (whatver they are calld) |
| 03:22.20 | cesarb | raster: yeah, it's not that exotic... some PSUs can even plug directly, without that adapter |
| 03:22.37 | raster | hmm |
| 03:22.42 | raster | well then i idnt fuck that up |
| 03:22.45 | cesarb | raster: the white ones are commonly called "molex" connectors, and are the single most annoying power connector on a PC |
| 03:23.00 | raster | i guss somehow i bummed out and my powersupply went dud on me |
| 03:23.06 | raster | aah yes |
| 03:23.07 | raster | molex |
| 03:23.08 | raster | tats it |
| 03:23.14 | raster | and ys |
| 03:23.19 | raster | they nver fit quite right |
| 03:23.24 | raster | also theyre bulky |
| 03:23.54 | dotmef | cesarb: amen |
| 03:24.01 | raster | aye |
| 03:24.09 | raster | thought the sats connector is way too big for its own good |
| 03:24.14 | raster | (the power one) |
| 03:24.16 | cesarb | raster: I've heard some people can manage to get these "molex" connectors INVERTED, which can easily burn a PSU and things connected to it |
| 03:24.32 | cesarb | raster: ah, you know WHY is the SATA power connector so large? |
| 03:24.39 | raster | nup |
| 03:24.44 | cesarb | raster: because it has lots of pins... and why does it have lots of pins? |
| 03:24.47 | raster | because the normal conecotr was size X |
| 03:24.54 | cesarb | raster: because each pin can only carry a limited amount of current |
| 03:25.04 | raster | and they had Y left from the old pata connector and wanted to fill the space? |
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| 03:25.21 | raster | hmm |
| 03:25.30 | raster | just so they can make thinner ribbon cables? |
| 03:25.39 | raster | why not just have fatter pins? |
| 03:25.50 | cesarb | (it also has a couple of extra hotplugging-specific pins, staggered connection, a pin for delayed startup, and other niceties) |
| 03:26.02 | raster | in fact |
| 03:26.12 | raster | why didnt they just combine sata dat aand power |
| 03:26.13 | cesarb | raster: because they are not pins like the ones in the old "molex" connector... they are card-edge connectors |
| 03:26.15 | raster | so u have 1 plug |
| 03:26.17 | raster | thats it |
| 03:26.19 | raster | nice and simple |
| 03:26.22 | raster | aqla usb |
| 03:26.42 | cesarb | raster: they can be combined, and are on a hotplug enclosure |
| 03:26.52 | cesarb | raster: the connector design was made to be able to be combined |
| 03:27.23 | cesarb | raster: but for a normal PC it's simpler to have the 7-pin data one go to the MB and the 15-pin (IIRC) one to go to the PSU |
| 03:27.39 | cesarb | raster: without the extra power distribution complexities of a server |
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| 03:28.22 | Aria | Yeah. I wish the connector was narrower and combined too. There's not that much point in it being so wide. |
| 03:28.31 | raster | mmmmm |
| 03:28.40 | raster | still doesnt make sense |
| 03:28.40 | Aria | That said, eSATA not having power bugs me more. Internally, I just use backplanes. |
| 03:28.51 | raster | usb manages 500ma as well as data |
| 03:28.59 | cesarb | Aria: if it weren't that wide, it would be fatter. you would end up with what you started with (the "molex" ones) |
| 03:29.07 | raster | Aria: indeed |
| 03:29.12 | raster | that too sucketh |
| 03:29.15 | Aria | cesarb: could still make it hotpluggable. |
| 03:29.15 | cesarb | raster: 500mA isn't enough for a HD |
| 03:29.22 | raster | cesarb: i know |
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| 03:29.25 | Aria | Yeah. Need more like 3A to cover your bases. |
| 03:29.29 | Aria | Still, that seems solvable. |
| 03:29.30 | raster | but i am sure u could provide enough power |
| 03:29.36 | raster | just make a fat round plug |
| 03:29.53 | raster | doesnt have to be skinny |
| 03:30.06 | raster | its easier to handle too with fingers |
| 03:30.12 | cesarb | raster: well, IIRC eSATA is a hack |
| 03:30.20 | raster | cesarb: a nice hack tho |
| 03:30.20 | Aria | eSata is a hack. Sad. |
| 03:30.21 | cesarb | raster: people were using the SATA connector outside the box |
| 03:30.26 | Aria | But it works damn well. |
| 03:30.27 | cesarb | raster: which it wasn't designed to |
| 03:30.33 | raster | i can throw my hd's into an eclosure with its own poer |
| 03:30.47 | raster | and not need to funnel thigns down a puny 480mb usb cable |
| 03:30.48 | raster | :) |
| 03:30.50 | cesarb | raster: so they simply got it, added a shield, and said "now it's allowed" (IIRC it's also more resistent) |
| 03:31.06 | Aria | Yeah. And the connector doesn't fall out so easily. |
| 03:31.08 | raster | hehe |
| 03:31.14 | Aria | It's physically well designed now. |
| 03:31.22 | raster | user driven development |
| 03:31.23 | Aria | But sad that it doesn't carry 2-3A. |
| 03:31.38 | raster | yeah |
| 03:31.39 | Aria | I'm just happy that SATA drivers support hotplug so well. |
| 03:31.46 | Aria | 'cause it saves me a ton of downtime. |
| 03:31.47 | raster | i am tired of the 8billionand1 power plugs |
| 03:31.51 | raster | i want 1 |
| 03:31.52 | Aria | Me too. |
| 03:32.00 | raster | then the pc can power everythgn plugged into it |
| 03:32.06 | Aria | Exactly! |
| 03:32.16 | raster | no more 23 boxy ac->dc adaptors floating around under a desk |
| 03:32.21 | Aria | I wouldn't mind 18AWG nearly as much as the brick hell I have. |
| 03:32.23 | raster | those damn dc adaptors suck |
| 03:32.32 | raster | i am hanging for the day we have dc plugs on walls |
| 03:32.40 | cesarb | raster: people have been using USB for that... sadly, only 500mA is a handicap |
| 03:32.45 | raster | either that or everyone can power off usb for everything |
| 03:32.46 | raster | :) |
| 03:32.46 | Aria | My workbench at the office, with a huge industrial strip, can still only support 3 machines. |
| 03:32.52 | Aria | Because of the sheer number of AC adapters |
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| 03:33.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 788 has been created by mwester(AT)dls.net |
| 03:33.01 | cdbot2 | * * Starting or stopping gsmd completely locks up the Neo |
| 03:33.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=788 |
| 03:33.05 | raster | cesarb: yeah - i know |
| 03:33.07 | cesarb | raster: firewire has more power... but IIRC the voltage is not fixed, it has an unpowered variant, etc |
| 03:33.10 | raster | 500ma is a bit of a downer |
| 03:33.23 | Aria | Yeah, Firewire's patents and variation made it lose out. |
| 03:33.24 | raster | maybe we need usb3 |
| 03:33.36 | cesarb | raster: 500mA is too few for most devices who want to use it, and too much for most devices who want to provide it |
| 03:33.36 | raster | providing 100ma, 500ma 1, 3 or 5a of power |
| 03:33.43 | raster | (negotiated up from 100ma) |
| 03:33.55 | Aria | USB3 would be awesome. .oO(USB packets over SATA PHY, powered to >= 2A ) |
| 03:34.06 | raster | yup |
| 03:34.08 | raster | that'd be nice |
| 03:34.21 | cesarb | raster: ah, did you see the new "battery charger specification"? it's only for chargers, but it does allow for autodetection of more than 500mA over a normal USB cable... |
| 03:34.36 | raster | its eitherthat or wireless power AND data |
| 03:34.52 | cesarb | raster: another cool option would be ethernet with power-over-ethernet... (already several watts, being increased to more) |
| 03:34.55 | raster | cesarb: no - i didnt... cool nanas! |
| 03:34.56 | Aria | Nikola Tesla would love to tackle that, I bet. |
| 03:35.06 | raster | lets hope laptops and desktops provide it too... soon |
| 03:35.12 | Aria | Yeah, really. |
| 03:35.16 | raster | and yes |
| 03:35.19 | raster | poe is nice too |
| 03:35.30 | raster | all of it nice |
| 03:35.41 | raster | but the closest to a standard thats out there that works ins usb |
| 03:35.45 | raster | with powr + data |
| 03:35.52 | Aria | Yep. |
| 03:36.00 | raster | shame its a little weap on boht fronts |
| 03:36.06 | raster | 480mbit is fine for toys |
| 03:36.11 | raster | not enough for serious things |
| 03:36.15 | raster | like high end hdd's |
| 03:36.24 | Aria | Yeah. It's just underspecced in every way. |
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| 03:36.38 | raster | and power-wise too |
| 03:36.38 | Aria | Good enough to keep other standards from competing, bad enough to annoy |
| 03:36.43 | raster | yup |
| 03:36.47 | cesarb | raster: you know what would really be cool? PCI express cable... running (hotpluggable) PCI express to outside the main box |
| 03:36.52 | raster | well - here's to usb3 |
| 03:36.53 | raster | :) |
| 03:36.55 | cesarb | raster: the standard for that seems to already exist... |
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| 03:37.07 | raster | cesarb: yup - but again.. POWER |
| 03:37.16 | raster | need power delivered down the same cable |
| 03:37.21 | Aria | The standards that last are the ones that layer, most often. |
| 03:37.27 | Aria | Keep the USB packet format, just change the PHY |
| 03:37.36 | raster | i'm amazed that the hdmi camp havent decided to throw poer down the cable yet |
| 03:37.44 | raster | they have stuck in video and audio |
| 03:38.08 | cesarb | raster: probably because the cable's wires/connectors are too thin for any decent amount of power |
| 03:38.20 | raster | :) |
| 03:38.22 | raster | i know |
| 03:38.29 | raster | just musing |
| 03:38.40 | raster | if they upped the connector sizes/cable thickness |
| 03:38.45 | raster | then it'd be possible |
| 03:38.47 | cesarb | raster: but I do think it has power (at least DVI IIRC does, and since they are compatible...), for the I2C chip on the monitor/TV... a very small amount of power, but power |
| 03:39.05 | raster | oh |
| 03:39.07 | raster | interesting |
| 03:39.22 | raster | so u can negotite edid info while the display is entirely unplugged |
| 03:39.48 | cesarb | raster: it came from VGA, which also has it |
| 03:39.54 | raster | i idnt know that |
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| 03:39.59 | raster | well fancy that eh |
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| 03:40.18 | cesarb | raster: there are lots of these kinds of interesting side channels |
| 03:40.29 | cesarb | raster: for instance, memory boards |
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| 03:40.49 | cesarb | raster: they have a very small chip for information on the memory (supported speeds, etc) |
| 03:40.59 | raster | that makes sense |
| 03:41.06 | cesarb | raster: the chip is (again) I2C, and completely separate from the actual memory |
| 03:41.09 | raster | which is why i expected my "over-spcceD" ram to still work |
| 03:41.13 | raster | just get cloked down a bit |
| 03:41.20 | raster | like most cpus do these days |
| 03:41.20 | raster | etc. |
| 03:41.32 | Aria | Yeah. It's under-specced that fails less gracefully. |
| 03:41.35 | cesarb | raster: other than being on the same PCB, the identification chip and the memory chips have no connection at all |
| 03:42.07 | raster | well |
| 03:42.10 | raster | time to get a new psu |
| 03:42.22 | raster | i want to stop living off my laptop as my workstation |
| 03:42.30 | raster | very unhappy batteries |
| 03:43.10 | Aria | I know the feeling. |
| 03:43.28 | raster | then i need to build my raid array.... so i finally can stop having slepless nights over losing my data... |
| 03:43.30 | Psi | hehe @ neo un-bricking by mail on community list |
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| 03:46.50 | dotmef | Psi: that would be me ;-) |
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| 03:47.53 | Psi | :) |
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| 03:48.33 | dotmef | I'll make sure to get the advanced kit for GTA02, so there's one in Sydney |
| 03:49.12 | raster | dotmef: i'll be in sydney in a few months |
| 03:49.16 | raster | semi-permanently |
| 03:49.22 | raster | i have the jtag kit |
| 03:49.28 | Psi | so why do people flash uboot anyway? ive not needed to so far |
| 03:49.42 | raster | maybe i will bring it regularly to slug metings for people who briked... :) |
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| 03:49.55 | Richard | cannot find JavaScriptGlue_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk.__20070902.tar.gz |
| 03:49.57 | raster | Psi: i needed to to fix a charging problem |
| 03:50.04 | raster | didnt negotiate to 500ma properl |
| 03:50.32 | Psi | i wonder what made you have that problem and me not ? |
| 03:50.54 | raster | my neo was pre gta-01 |
| 03:50.56 | dotmef | raster: awesome. I'll have three months of no-fear messing with my uboot |
| 03:50.57 | Psi | ah |
| 03:51.01 | gcb77_ | Anyone know what the Stat application is on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ ? |
| 03:51.08 | dotmef | :-P |
| 03:51.47 | raster | dotmef: still beware :) |
| 03:52.01 | raster | ok |
| 03:52.04 | raster | time to get soem pants on |
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| 03:52.29 | dotmef | raster: nah - it's ok. my uboot erasing days are done... I hope :-D |
| 03:53.30 | cesarb | I flashed the 2007.2 uboot (even before I flashed the rootfs) to fix the bug about the rootfs DFU not erasing completely the rootfs |
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| 03:57.29 | rwhitby | dotmef: thx for the nice email |
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| 03:58.41 | dotmef | rwhitby: no probs. :-) |
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| 04:39.24 | gcb77_NEO | woo hoo, irssi on the neo |
| 04:44.10 | gcb77_NEO | wish I had bluetooth so I could go wireless |
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| 05:04.38 | ferric | gcb77_NEO: _sweet_ |
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| 05:24.35 | gcb77_ | This thing (freeciv) is actually playable! |
| 05:34.07 | blindcoder | moin |
| 05:36.26 | fgau | blindcoder:moinsen |
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| 05:37.36 | daltona | gcb77_, the stat application is one that I wrote, I posted on the app mailing list, but the message seems not to be arrived yet. |
| 05:38.11 | gcb77_ | daltona: that thing looks really really cool, I can't wait to try it out |
| 05:38.28 | gcb77_ | I've been suspecting my NEO had a heartbeat :) |
| 05:39.19 | daltona | gcb77_, I think you should find it in the openmoko-apps archives, later I'll setup a gforge project. |
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| 05:50.08 | gcb77 | I posted a civclient screenshot on scap |
| 05:52.27 | gcb77 | daltona: did you load the ipk package somewhere? |
| 05:53.35 | daltona | gcb77, No I did not, as I don't know how to create one |
| 05:54.09 | daltona | but it's not that hard to build... I con give you instructions |
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| 05:54.31 | gcb77 | I'm still looking for the source :( |
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| 05:55.17 | daltona | gcb77, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-apps/attachments/20070901/1a6c059d/mokostat-0.1.tar-0001.bin |
| 05:55.28 | daltona | rename it to tar.gz |
| 05:59.28 | gcb77 | awesome, I'm building it |
| 05:59.48 | daltona | In order to build it, start a devshell from the build environment, and then extract the file, and you can ./configure, make and scp the binary to the neo |
| 05:59.50 | daltona | If somebody has a tutorial explaining how to create an ipk, I would be interested BTW... |
| 06:02.07 | daltona | gcb77, let me know if and how that works |
| 06:02.49 | daltona | In the version I posted, the graph are smoother as I did a rolling average instead of samples |
| 06:08.11 | gcb77 | daltona: have you looked through http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course |
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| 06:16.10 | daltona | gcb77, no I didn't, let me read that... |
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| 06:25.00 | daltona | gcb77, I read the course, very interesting not seem to show how to create the ipk though |
| 06:25.24 | gcb77 | did you make a .bb file? |
| 06:26.30 | daltona | not yet, but from the tutorial, it seems that the bb recipie will directly copy the binary on the fs without going through the ipk step |
| 06:26.38 | daltona | I may be wrong... |
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| 06:39.44 | daltona | gcb77, did you built it ? |
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| 06:41.28 | gcb77 | daltona: lol, no. I'm trying to figure out how to make it into an ipkg |
| 06:41.55 | gcb77 | I had that working with my own app before, and I can't remember how I did it |
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| 06:42.47 | daltona | gcb77, if you find out, do you mind mailing me how to proceed ? |
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| 06:45.21 | gcb77 | daltona: you read through the "Your First Application"? |
| 06:46.15 | gcb77 | on the same link as before, halfway down the page |
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| 06:47.36 | daltona | yes I did |
| 06:48.22 | daltona | just saw that |
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| 06:48.39 | daltona | let me try to create the bb file and see if I can make a ipk |
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| 08:00.23 | rtyler | damnit, my build failed again >_< |
| 08:00.24 | rtyler | df -h |
| 08:00.26 | rtyler | whoops |
| 08:00.31 | rtyler | anyways, that's why, ran out of space :P |
| 08:00.50 | dotmef | rtyler: heh. I might beat you yet ;-P |
| 08:01.06 | rtyler | I haven't been paying attention to that terminal >_< |
| 08:01.21 | rtyler | major time delay, who knows how long it's been sitting there, failed >_< |
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| 08:02.44 | rtyler | SMS works now? :P |
| 08:03.09 | dotmef | dunno - waiting for my build :-D |
| 08:03.35 | dotmef | is it possible to do it through libgsm-tool? |
| 08:03.50 | CM | Has anyone been able to build libgsmd lately? |
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| 08:04.36 | zdanek | CM: it depends what do you mean 'lately' |
| 08:04.52 | CM | zdanek: About 5 minutes ago ;) |
| 08:04.55 | zdanek | i have build from repo from last week |
| 08:04.56 | zdanek | :) |
| 08:05.00 | zdanek | nope |
| 08:05.09 | zdanek | I have dialer working in my build |
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| 08:05.30 | zdanek | but I didn't try to dial from libgsm-tool |
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| 08:05.51 | zdanek | but it should work because it asked my for my pin before registering to net |
| 08:06.02 | zdanek | I din't try sms sending |
| 08:06.04 | CM | I have the opposite, dialing with libgsmd-tool worked, but never the dialer |
| 08:06.32 | zdanek | dialer works from time to time |
| 08:07.05 | zdanek | and it asks me for pin at first boot of X |
| 08:07.37 | zdanek | if it does then dialing works perfectly |
| 08:07.46 | zdanek | and incoming calls too\ |
| 08:08.28 | zdanek | maybe you'd like to try our build |
| 08:08.41 | zdanek | www.openmoko.org.pl/builds |
| 08:08.46 | CM | :-) |
| 08:10.20 | zdanek | it's now recommended to flash uboot |
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| 08:10.29 | zdanek | with this builds |
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| 08:11.15 | CM | I have a recent u-boot and I won't flash unnecessarily |
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| 08:11.20 | ScaredyCat | wtf! |
| 08:11.32 | CM | ScaredyCat: Good morning to you too :D |
| 08:11.45 | ScaredyCat | the build doesn't build all dependancies! |
| 08:12.32 | zdanek | i'v downloaded recommended uboot for this build |
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| 08:12.44 | zdanek | to builds dir |
| 08:12.49 | zdanek | CM: Ok |
| 08:13.06 | zdanek | but many did not so we recommend for it |
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| 08:14.11 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/678716 |
| 08:14.23 | zdanek | I have to make breakfast for my son, so bye for now :) |
| 08:19.08 | ScaredyCat | ok, so midori satisfies the libsexy... |
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| 08:19.22 | joao | Has anyone managed to compile 07.02 today? My builds are all failing when it comes to webkit. Anyone passed that point today? |
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| 08:20.12 | ScaredyCat | i just need gnome-vfs and libxpm4 |
| 08:20.17 | CM | joao: I haven't gotten that far yet, but I'll tell you if I get past it |
| 08:20.24 | ScaredyCat | I'm passed it... |
| 08:20.36 | ScaredyCat | but I started my build about 6 years ago |
| 08:21.13 | joao | ScaredyCat: ok mine is from 45 minutes ago |
| 08:21.57 | joao | I wanted to test the new gsmd patch from rwhitby. He said gsm attach was now working flowlessly |
| 08:24.45 | ScaredyCat | ok , just updated, rebuilding |
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| 08:34.20 | dotmef | joao: a couple of us have had trouble with building webkit |
| 08:35.17 | dotmef | joao: are you getting errors with undefined reference to blah blah blah? |
| 08:35.37 | joao | dotmef: I thought as much. I have been looking at the logs for the channel yesterday. |
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| 08:35.57 | joao | dotmaf: no i'm getting lots of 404 and also a few path issues |
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| 08:36.32 | dotmef | joao: is it saying "can't find directory"? |
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| 08:39.07 | joao | Sorry had to swap computers to get the build log ... |
| 08:39.26 | dotmef | np :) |
| 08:39.49 | joao | dotmef: I'm getting a few undefined references in libicui18n.so |
| 08:40.26 | dotmef | joao: that's the one. cesarb's recommendation was to delete the build/tmp directory and rebuild |
| 08:41.45 | joao | dotmef: ok will try that. I'll probably be building for the next eight hours after that though :-) |
| 08:41.48 | dotmef | joao: cesarb said "the error is because of a new gcc version on openembedded" |
| 08:42.16 | dotmef | joao: yeah - I dunno if there's a better way, and my build hasn't finished yet |
| 08:42.28 | dotmef | joao: so I can't tell you for sure that it works |
| 08:42.58 | dotmef | rtyler: you there? |
| 08:43.11 | joao | dotmef: new compiler wrong symbols... sounds logical at least... before resorting to those rm /buid/tmp I'm doing a quick make clean for webkit. Nt much hope but then if it works it saves me a few hours |
| 08:44.16 | dotmef | joao: good luck. if my build completes anytime soon, I'll let you know whether it was a success or not |
| 08:44.52 | joao | dotmef: ok cool |
| 08:46.41 | Jiten_ | how much space does the full build consume? |
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| 08:47.21 | CM | Jiten_: It used to be 12Gb before, but it might grow even more |
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| 08:51.05 | CM | Jiten_: Adding INHERIT += "rm_work" to your local.conf should make it just 2gb or so |
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| 08:51.05 | AvengerMoJo | I can dial the phone by hand but the applet crash right after enable the anantna ... anyoe know about this bug? |
| 08:51.06 | gcb77 | exit |
| 08:51.06 | gcb77 | doh! |
| 08:51.14 | Jiten_ | I was just wondering. I cut&pasted the wrong command from the wiki instructions for MokoMakeFile and left it for a while. When I came back and interrupted it, I had a 20GB folder :) |
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| 08:53.37 | Kero | mine is 12 GB now (built one image, skipped the locales) |
| 08:53.47 | Kero | 2007.2 |
| 08:55.01 | CM | Where is this gui: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/b5336f7bbf5efd063a08dcf9e083ce04.png |
| 08:55.39 | Jiten_ | kind of makes you wonder what all that is for when the end result has to fit on 64MB flash :) |
| 08:56.01 | rtyler | all that unnecessary OE shit -_- |
| 08:56.10 | rtyler | dotmef: you rang? |
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| 08:56.27 | dotmef | rtyler: yeah - just wondering how your build is going? |
| 08:56.53 | dotmef | ignore the ? |
| 08:56.56 | rtyler | just restarted it after I nuked another whole tmp directory I had lying around >_< |
| 08:57.41 | dotmef | ah weak :( |
| 08:57.43 | Jiten | btw, do you think they'll manage to get the mass market version out in a month? |
| 08:57.48 | rtyler | Jiten: no |
| 08:58.50 | Jiten | I'd settle for a developer version with GTA02 hardware :) |
| 08:59.41 | rtyler | I'd settle for it for cheap ._> |
| 09:00.00 | Jiten | well, yeah, if it's developer version, it should be cheaper :) |
| 09:02.45 | ScaredyCat | CM: that's the settingsgui |
| 09:03.47 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SettingsGUI |
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| 09:13.14 | joao | ls |
| 09:13.28 | rtyler | joao: wrong terminal ;) |
| 09:13.42 | joao | rtyler :-) |
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| 09:15.11 | Kero | hm, the qemu plays a sound on a mouseclick, but doesn't respond much otherwise... |
| 09:15.42 | rtyler | 1078 out of a fucking lot |
| 09:15.52 | dotmef | lol |
| 09:16.44 | ScaredyCat | cheer up guys, only another 7 hours to wait ;) |
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| 09:19.05 | Kero | perhaps calibration f*cked up with my multiple clicks... |
| 09:19.56 | AvengerMoJo | anyone experience matchbox-panel being crash ? |
| 09:20.05 | Kero | (and the thing could break off the call it is trying to make, having no SIM in qemu...) |
| 09:21.21 | ScaredyCat | AvengerMoJo: when you play with the gsm menu ? |
| 09:21.42 | dotmef | time for food |
| 09:21.48 | ScaredyCat | Kero: I think there's a calibration file in /etc/ |
| 09:22.16 | ScaredyCat | if you remove it (or rename it) then i think you can re-run the calibration |
| 09:22.37 | SpeedEvil | There is also a cal program |
| 09:22.41 | SpeedEvil | xtscal? |
| 09:22.46 | SpeedEvil | Xtscal? |
| 09:23.55 | Kero | probably. I'll just start hacking what I want to hack and create a new image. |
| 09:24.00 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 09:24.47 | Kero | the important thing for _later_ is that I can see whether an image works, before uploading to Neo (thus overwriting a potentially useful install). |
| 09:24.47 | goxboxlive | run ts_calibrate from the shell. It will create a pointercal file in /etc |
| 09:25.27 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, 7 hours to what? |
| 09:25.30 | ScaredyCat | Kero: where's you sense of adventure ;) |
| 09:25.42 | ScaredyCat | jeddy3: another rebuild |
| 09:25.49 | AvengerMoJo | ScaredyCat: yes :) |
| 09:26.02 | ScaredyCat | AvengerMoJo: yes, it's broken |
| 09:26.03 | AvengerMoJo | ScaredyCat: I'm searching the bugzilla now |
| 09:26.16 | AvengerMoJo | ScaredyCat: I seem to able to dial by hand |
| 09:26.17 | Kero | ScaredyCat: adventure? I haven't even tried to put a SIM in my Neo... |
| 09:26.28 | AvengerMoJo | but the match-box-panel crash :) |
| 09:26.44 | ScaredyCat | yes, don't use the panel |
| 09:26.52 | ScaredyCat | ssh in and restart the gsmd |
| 09:27.35 | AvengerMoJo | ScaredyCat: thanks :) |
| 09:28.32 | roh | morning |
| 09:29.36 | ScaredyCat | just ;) |
| 09:29.45 | AvengerMoJo | ScaredyCat: is this bug in the bugzilla? |
| 09:30.00 | ScaredyCat | not sure, it is a known bug though |
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| 09:30.36 | AvengerMoJo | ScaredyCat: I'll try to file that then :) ...... |
| 09:31.29 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, ah! |
| 09:31.33 | AvengerMoJo | ScaredyCat: however starting the matchbox-panel directly seem not working right .... do you know how to start matchbox-panel are being called? I can only restart the X completely? |
| 09:31.54 | ScaredyCat | iirc you restart x |
| 09:34.59 | CM | ScaredyCat: How do I start the settings gui? |
| 09:35.11 | ScaredyCat | no idea |
| 09:35.17 | AvengerMoJo | ScaredyCat: look like the panel is working if I started the gsmd frst |
| 09:35.18 | ScaredyCat | s it not on the menus? |
| 09:35.20 | AvengerMoJo | ScaredyCat: look like the panel is working if I started the gsmd first |
| 09:35.20 | CM | Is even in 2007.2? |
| 09:35.27 | ScaredyCat | no you have to add it |
| 09:35.41 | ScaredyCat | AvengerMoJo: yes, I think that might be the hack :) |
| 09:35.49 | AvengerMoJo | hum |
| 09:36.06 | AvengerMoJo | many be the panel can check the gsmd status first |
| 09:36.22 | AvengerMoJo | and call activiate it if it is not |
| 09:36.42 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby has done some patches, so the fixes should appear in newer images |
| 09:39.23 | ScaredyCat | CM: it needs a .desktop file |
| 09:39.24 | ScaredyCat | python SettingsGUI-x.x/SettingsGUI.py |
| 09:39.37 | CM | ScaredyCat: Ah, danke |
| 09:45.22 | AvengerMoJo | anyone know where can I look for this kind of error explain? +CME ERROR: 32' |
| 09:48.59 | SpeedEvil | http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:Iken6f3B_xwJ:net4uonline.com/gsm-modem-cms-cme-errors.pdf+CME+error&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=uk |
| 09:49.35 | SpeedEvil | 32 is network not allowed, emergency calls only |
| 09:49.42 | AvengerMoJo | I see |
| 09:49.45 | AvengerMoJo | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 09:50.07 | AvengerMoJo | can't get to your ip :) maybe because I'm in side china hehe |
| 09:51.23 | SpeedEvil | That's a google cache IP |
| 09:51.28 | SpeedEvil | it may be private only |
| 09:51.57 | SpeedEvil | anyway, google 'cme error' 32 |
| 09:52.26 | AvengerMoJo | thanks |
| 09:53.31 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Package_management]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Sydney]] |
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| 09:55.12 | AvengerMoJo | so where is this image coming from? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dialer |
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| 09:55.28 | AvengerMoJo | is that out of date? or I'm using something else ? :) |
| 09:56.51 | ScaredyCat | I'm curious ... |
| 09:56.57 | SpeedEvil | AvengerMoJo: look on the history tag on the page |
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| 09:57.41 | AvengerMoJo | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 09:58.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 789 has been created by fabchevalier(AT)free.fr |
| 09:58.02 | cdbot2 | * * Occasional phone crash on X startup |
| 09:58.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=789 |
| 09:58.43 | ScaredyCat | why would the build fail on not being able to build gnome-vfs .. but wok if i bitbake gnome-vfs |
| 09:59.24 | ScaredyCat | ! |
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| 10:06.53 | CM | ScaredyCat: I have like that too on all svn builds |
| 10:07.14 | ScaredyCat | can't find libxpm4 either now |
| 10:07.22 | ScaredyCat | any idea what will build it ? |
| 10:10.06 | jroman | hello, how can I rebuild only the kernel with mokomkafile? |
| 10:10.33 | jroman | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.48 | rwhitby | (cd build ; source ../setup-env ; bitbake -c rebuild virtual/kernel) |
| 10:12.32 | rwhitby | or make rebuild-package-linux-openmoko |
| 10:12.49 | jroman | rwhitby: thx |
| 10:12.55 | rwhitby | or even make rebuild-package-virtual/kernel |
| 10:13.12 | ScaredyCat | did someone remove libxpm4 from oe ? |
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| 10:16.33 | ScaredyCat | ~blame CM for something |
| 10:16.34 | apt | ACTION blames mtoups and perhaps CM for something and all the evil in the world |
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| 10:29.14 | Kero | pft, managed to kill contacts, which took down the GUI and now the Neo reboots. |
| 10:29.27 | Kero | there, ehm, are some stability issues here... |
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| 10:37.18 | _diego__ | Kero: you are right... it happens quite often to me too |
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| 10:45.27 | Kero | now I'm guessing some script causes the reboot explicitely (timeout, cause GUI won't restart), because I simply can't believe the entire system would be that unstable |
| 10:45.45 | rwhitby | no, it's that unstable |
| 10:46.11 | Kero | which driver is that? can't be the kernel itself |
| 10:46.41 | _diego__ | to be honest, i see openmoko applications crash, but not reboot |
| 10:46.57 | rwhitby | kernel is fine. X and WM and apps need work. |
| 10:47.19 | Kero | then why did my Neo reboot? |
| 10:47.43 | rwhitby | oh, it rebooted spontaneously? |
| 10:47.47 | _diego__ | atm the only problem i see now, is applet crashing and not be able to restart them |
| 10:47.54 | rwhitby | not just cause X died? |
| 10:48.09 | Kero | wanted to restart the GUI; I'm assuming X died. |
| 10:48.45 | _diego__ | can u connect via ssh to the cell? |
| 10:48.49 | Kero | that's what it said, at least :) it never got to playing the sound, instead rebooted |
| 10:49.22 | Kero | so that can be graphics driver problem, or audio driver, or who knows what. |
| 10:49.50 | jroman | hello, again, I would like do somethin like cd moko/build/tmp/work/fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-openmoko-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2/linux-2.6.22.5 and make CC=..something.. , so I can access to normal linux kernel targets (vmlinux, modules, menuconfig ...) is it that possible? |
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| 10:52.58 | Kero | in Sep? we have that in Jun... |
| 10:53.04 | thomasg | we too |
| 10:53.19 | thomasg | or maybe rwhitby had a long journey :) |
| 10:53.35 | rwhitby | the greeting card companies need to spread the profits throughout the year ... |
| 10:54.32 | rwhitby | it's too cold in june in the southern hemisphere to enjoy a barbie on fathers day |
| 10:56.49 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2888 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/ (75 files in 17 dirs): add openmoko-standard-2-qvga as proposed by Philipp Zabel (pH5) |
| 10:57.51 | rwhitby | showing date as 09/02/07 on an international project is simply unacceptable |
| 10:58.15 | Kelly | rwhitby: Are you from Australia? |
| 10:58.23 | rwhitby | yep |
| 10:59.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 790 has been created by phil.openmoko(AT)ashbysoft.com |
| 10:59.02 | cdbot2 | * * system clock not reset on resume |
| 10:59.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=790 |
| 10:59.06 | Kelly | "barbie" gave it away ;-) |
| 10:59.09 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2889 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2-qvga/gtk-2.0/ (gtkprogressbar openmoko-calculator): openmoko-standard-theme-2-qvga: sync a bit w/ vga theme |
| 10:59.26 | mickey|mdd | rwhitby: i'll probably rip it out |
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| 10:59.36 | mickey|mdd | rwhitby: and make it more textual |
| 10:59.45 | mickey|mdd | 6th September 2007 |
| 10:59.47 | mickey|mdd | or what |
| 10:59.48 | mickey|mdd | not |
| 11:00.10 | rwhitby | please keep it. my phone must show the date on the home screen :-) |
| 11:00.39 | mickey|mdd | yes, date |
| 11:00.41 | mickey|mdd | but in textual form |
| 11:00.48 | rwhitby | Either DD MMM YYYY or YYYY-MM-DD will do. the latter being the ISO standard :-) |
| 11:01.12 | rwhitby | full textual is fine too of course :-) |
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| 11:02.09 | ScaredyCat | would be nice to see the gsm carrier on that screen too |
| 11:02.22 | Kero | doesn the locale have info how to display dates? |
| 11:02.25 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2890 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2-qvga/gtk-2.0/ (gtkpaned gtkrc): openmoko-theme-standard-2-qvga: sync gtkpaned w/ vga theme |
| 11:02.26 | Kero | +'t |
| 11:03.23 | rwhitby | mickey|mdd: line 29 of today-pin-summary.c I think |
| 11:03.45 | mickey|mdd | rwhitby: thanks. |
| 11:04.07 | Kelly | rwhitby: where is Aus are you from? Im in Melb |
| 11:04.12 | rwhitby | Adl |
| 11:08.00 | rwhitby | mickey|mdd: s/%x/%A, %d %B %Y/ |
| 11:08.19 | mickey|mdd | rwhitby: is that textual form? |
| 11:08.22 | rwhitby | yep |
| 11:08.29 | mickey|mdd | great. I'll commit that then |
| 11:08.31 | rwhitby | with weekday name too |
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| 11:08.40 | rwhitby | Friday, 1 October 2007 |
| 11:08.43 | mickey|mdd | ah, might be too long horizontally |
| 11:08.45 | mickey|mdd | but let's try |
| 11:09.05 | rwhitby | wouldn't think so, looking at it |
| 11:09.47 | mickey|mdd | hmm |
| 11:09.51 | mickey|mdd | what's that %I ? |
| 11:10.07 | rwhitby | that's the hour, 12 hr format |
| 11:10.13 | mickey|mdd | ah |
| 11:10.15 | mickey|mdd | we don't need that |
| 11:10.17 | mickey|mdd | it's in the panel |
| 11:10.21 | rwhitby | http://www.cppreference.com/stddate/strftime.html |
| 11:11.16 | mickey|mdd | hehe |
| 11:11.19 | mickey|mdd | that's the spirit |
| 11:11.25 | mickey|mdd | although today is OpenEZX hacking day |
| 11:11.28 | mickey|mdd | and i want to concentrate on that |
| 11:11.40 | CM | 24h clock++ |
| 11:11.54 | rwhitby | I knew that mickey|mdd wouldn't let an americanism stay there too long when pointed out ;-) |
| 11:12.26 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat, CM: the one in the panel is 24h |
| 11:12.39 | ScaredyCat | quite right too! |
| 11:12.45 | rwhitby | so if mickey|mdd takes the time out of the today-pim-summary, then everyone is happy |
| 11:13.21 | ScaredyCat | yes, don't need it twice I guess |
| 11:13.41 | ScaredyCat | he could replace it with the gsm carrier currently reg'd :D |
| 11:14.12 | rwhitby | I prefer not to give them advertising space on my phone's screen. |
| 11:14.14 | mickey|mdd | let me test that and then commit |
| 11:14.17 | ScaredyCat | indeed, the openmoko bit |
| 11:14.25 | ScaredyCat | could be the carrier name.. |
| 11:14.39 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: I like to see which one I'm using... |
| 11:16.02 | rwhitby | mickey|mdd: how do you personally test a change like that? it's in SVN, but you can't rebuild the bitbake package until you've checked in the svn, so where do you make the change and build? |
| 11:16.38 | mickey|mdd | rwhitby: i often use bitbake devshell |
| 11:16.45 | mickey|mdd | ~praise RP |
| 11:16.46 | apt | All hail RP! |
| 11:17.02 | rwhitby | but that doesn't break the OE->SVN dependency of all the openmoko packages |
| 11:17.27 | rwhitby | so how do you get around that? do you make the change twice? (once in tmp/work/.. and then again in svn?) |
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| 11:18.21 | mickey|mdd | yes |
| 11:18.24 | mickey|mdd | that's what i'm doing |
| 11:18.30 | mickey|mdd | first testing as quilt patch |
| 11:18.36 | mickey|mdd | then later applying the patch to svn |
| 11:18.57 | rwhitby | there's gotta be a better way ... |
| 11:19.02 | mickey|mdd | sure |
| 11:19.06 | mickey|mdd | using an external toolchain |
| 11:19.08 | mickey|mdd | which we'll have soon |
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| 11:21.50 | RP | rwhitby: We should make it so the workdir is a valid svn checkout and there you could just commit directly from the workdir... |
| 11:22.17 | rwhitby | yeah, that would be good. |
| 11:22.55 | rwhitby | need some way to massage svn urls to change anon access to developer access. or I guess you just svn switch each time you want to commit something. |
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| 11:31.36 | Kelly | Guys, Im trying to run an executable that used to work but since upgrading to 2007.2 i get a 'Not Found" error |
| 11:32.44 | rwhitby | executable abi format has changed |
| 11:33.06 | rwhitby | 2007.1 was oabi, 20072. is eabi. the two are not compatible. |
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| 11:35.52 | Kelly | oh ok. Not exactly sure what that means but I shall look it up |
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| 11:36.55 | dcordes | is there a picture viewer for openmoko? |
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| 11:40.43 | Federico2 | hi |
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| 11:44.33 | Stephmw | dcordes: that'll be a software question, answers to those are usually.. not yet, feel free to chip in :) |
| 11:48.31 | dcordes | I just tried gpe-gallery |
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| 11:49.19 | dcordes | working great with moko ui. also kind of finger usable (except when it comes to opening a folder to view: gpe file locator is too small) |
| 11:49.52 | rwhitby | dcordes: gpe-gallery is the current picture viewer for openmoko ;-) |
| 11:52.11 | Kelly | regarding the eabi change. Unless i had the source and could recompile the binary then there is no hope correct? |
| 11:52.41 | rwhitby | correct, unless you run an oabi chroot. If you're talking about gllin, then someone is working on an oabi chroot for that. |
| 11:53.15 | dcordes | is there a way to get those scrollbars bigger? |
| 11:53.50 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Phlash]] |
| 11:54.22 | Kelly | lol, you already answered my next question. I guess I'll wait patiently :-) |
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| 11:55.06 | rwhitby | I was saving you from having to disclose your possession of something which you shouldn't have. |
| 11:55.25 | Kelly | ty |
| 11:55.45 | Stephmw | hahaha |
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| 11:57.37 | Federico2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TOXAzh7vA4 |
| 12:00.42 | frma71_ | So what's going on with gllin and the licensing problems ? |
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| 12:02.12 | Kelly | I to am interested to know. |
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| 12:02.33 | elmarb | hi |
| 12:02.49 | elmarb | i'm trying to emulate OpenMoko on qemu |
| 12:02.57 | Stephmw | Federico2: nice :) |
| 12:02.59 | elmarb | i'm using Fedora 7 |
| 12:03.36 | elmarb | i get this error |
| 12:03.38 | elmarb | WARNING: "gcc" looks like gcc 4.x |
| 12:03.38 | elmarb | Looking for gcc 3.x |
| 12:03.38 | elmarb | gcc 3.x not found! |
| 12:03.38 | elmarb | QEMU is known to have problems when compiled with gcc 4.x |
| 12:03.38 | elmarb | It is recommended that you use gcc 3.x to build QEMU |
| 12:03.39 | elmarb | To use this compiler anyway, configure with --disable-gcc-check |
| 12:03.41 | elmarb | make: *** [setup-qemu] Fehler 1 |
| 12:03.46 | elmarb | how can i solve this? |
| 12:03.46 | aloril | elmarb: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 12:06.15 | rmoravcik | elmarb: yum install compat-gcc-34 |
| 12:06.28 | elmarb | aloril: i already read the FAQ but i did not finf anything |
| 12:07.39 | elmarb | rmoravcik: okay thanks I'm installing ;-) |
| 12:08.51 | rwhitby | elmarb: make sure you update the wiki page which contains the instructions you were following too |
| 12:09.06 | Schugy | where are the openmoko videos in a playable video format and not for the flash banner ad player that i boycott? |
| 12:09.39 | rwhitby | http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/ |
| 12:10.43 | Schugy | thanks a lot, that will be much better and brighter |
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| 12:20.05 | Schugy | i would like to have the neo for a more powerful gp2x, n800 with built in modem and has a tomtom navigator - I need a d-pad and 2 - 4 buttons on the hardware side at least - maybe there's another irc channel for end users |
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| 12:26.33 | borg_ | is the buildhost down again? |
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| 13:03.01 | ScaredyCat | appears to be dead borg_ |
| 13:03.31 | borg_ | damn |
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| 13:04.07 | Kero | right, ssh'd to qemu image. |
| 13:05.06 | Kero | Q, I edited /openmoko/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-battery/src/openmoko-panel-battery.c |
| 13:05.27 | Kero | how do I make an image, or package that uses the changes? |
| 13:05.47 | Kero | the `make` command on this thing has apparently been ran somewhere else... |
| 13:09.16 | CM | Kero: I'm not sure, but try: cd build; source ../setup-env; bitbake -c rebuild openmoko-panel-battery |
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| 13:13.24 | calamous | Hey. I had to travel for about a week so I left my neo unplugged from my comp. when I came back it woudnt turn on so I figured that it had lost its charged, so I have had it connected to the comp for 1 day now but it still wont turn on. any ideas? |
| 13:14.59 | jeddy3 | calamous, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger#from_deep_discharged_battery |
| 13:17.01 | Kero | CM: that takes a fresh SVN checkout, but not via the location I edited. |
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| 13:18.50 | calamous | jeddy3, Ty, trying it now. Let you know in an hour ;p |
| 13:19.44 | jeddy3 | calamous, :) |
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| 13:20.50 | Kero | but, it does give me the configure command, so I can continue with my sources now, I think. |
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| 13:22.20 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2891 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-pim-summary.c): openmoko-today2: Switch to textual display of date, remove time (it's in panel anyways). Thanks Rod Whitby. |
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| 13:23.49 | mickey|mdd | rwhitby: here we are |
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| 13:25.05 | Kero | hell, no, that configure line is only a tiny piece of the puzzle. |
| 13:26.15 | CM | Kero: Maybe you should use quilt and patch your changes into the build? (Not that I know how..) |
| 13:26.24 | Kero | 'quilt' ? |
| 13:28.48 | calamous | Anyone know anything about any GSM modem update to make at&t 3g sims working? |
| 13:29.18 | calamous | Cause I can't find anything new on bugzilla #666 or the wiki page Carriers/ATT |
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| 13:38.48 | Kero | slowly, I drag some info from the mailthread 'Adding Applications To OpenMoko The Right Way' and wiki pages referenced from there. |
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| 13:41.07 | DukeOfURL | Good morning> I'd like to remove qemu from OE so it will compile on an x86_box with gcc-4.x. How can I remove it? |
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| 13:42.00 | DukeOfURL | (The RAID card on the i386 machin is failing, and I can't get through a build.) |
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| 13:51.21 | roh | DukeOfURL what hinders you to install gcc 3.4 additionally? |
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| 13:51.53 | roh | qemu is needed for 2 things: as emulator (not built by oe, but by mokomakefile) and for locales |
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| 13:54.10 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Business:Mobile_photo_frame]] [[Application_Development_Crash_Course]] [[Vertical_applications]] [[Business_Development]] [[Main_Page]] [[User_talk:Thseiler]] [[User:Thseiler]] |
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| 14:17.46 | roh | Kero: these vatiations in qemu are on purpose.. else you would never see if the applet is alive or not |
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| 14:20.57 | roh | eh variations |
| 14:22.45 | Kero | makes sense. scary nevertheless. |
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| 14:23.09 | Kero | wiki edit time, I guess. |
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| 14:24.11 | Kero | and time to dig up my old build-ipkg scripts and tailor them for single-package building (so I have those ./configure cmd and various PATHs documented for myself) |
| 14:24.56 | Kero | then onto building bigger fish, see if I can compile Ruby that way. |
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| 14:31.44 | calamous | jeddy3, My neo turn on again. Thanks! |
| 14:32.16 | jeddy3 | calamous, good to hear! |
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| 15:02.04 | dcordes | where are the program launch entries from "+" in today saved? |
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| 15:03.35 | cesarb | dcordes: IIRC they are *.desktop files, search for them |
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| 15:04.39 | dcordes | k |
| 15:05.19 | calamous | Anyone know how to upgrade the GSM modem's firmware? |
| 15:06.22 | dcordes | I thought it would not be possible/allowed to access gsm rom? |
| 15:06.40 | thomasg | I guess using the jtag it's possible to flash it |
| 15:06.52 | thomasg | but the firmware is proprietary and closed |
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| 15:07.38 | calamous | thomasg, do you know if I can ever get my neo's firmware upgraded so I can use at&t sims? |
| 15:08.38 | calamous | thomasg, or will I need to get a neo that already has a working firmware? |
| 15:08.41 | thomasg | well, the problem is, that AT&T only uses the 850 MHz band. and afaik the neo has no approval from the FCC for this band |
| 15:09.26 | thomasg | I think (but thats only my opinion!) that you can get a firmware upgrade for the gsm-module that allows to use this band - as soon the neo has the approval for the states |
| 15:09.50 | calamous | thomasg, the neo dosent have FCC approval in the US yet? |
| 15:10.03 | thomasg | it has, but only for 900/1800/1900 mhz |
| 15:10.30 | thomasg | but I don't have further informations, too. |
| 15:10.31 | dcordes | I think the + icons are in /usr/share/applications |
| 15:10.56 | calamous | Ok, so even though its quadband, since they don't have 850mhz permission its disabled in the firmware? |
| 15:11.03 | thomasg | it's a pitty that the US goverment don't like international standards - it makes the things much more difficult |
| 15:11.31 | calamous | I know, I've seen specturm charts and recomendations and we don't follow any :( |
| 15:11.39 | thomasg | calamous, I know that the chip is quadband. I also know that there is no 850 mhz approval. but I don't know if/how the activation wil be possible |
| 15:12.01 | cesarb | It's possible that activating that band is a simple AT command |
| 15:12.07 | thomasg | cesarb, might be |
| 15:12.13 | calamous | thomasg, alright. Where do you live by the way? |
| 15:12.17 | thomasg | europe |
| 15:12.22 | cesarb | On the Razr, you can chose between 850/1900, 900/1800, or quadband |
| 15:12.26 | calamous | Europe is a big place, :) |
| 15:12.33 | thomasg | germany :) |
| 15:12.44 | cesarb | So, it wouldn't surprise me if the Calypso also had a way to chose the band |
| 15:13.06 | calamous | cesarb, too bad all the info on the calypso is closed |
| 15:13.19 | thomasg | cesarb, well, it surely has, because it also uses one band at the same time and can chose between 3 or 4. |
| 15:13.20 | cesarb | (and it also wouldn't surprise me if that setting was persistent between powering on/off of the modem) |
| 15:13.48 | cesarb | calamous: even with the closed info, someone has already found engineering mode commands... |
| 15:14.11 | cesarb | thomasg: well, it autodetects. the trick would be to change the list of bands it will autodetect in |
| 15:14.13 | calamous | cesarb, wow, thats great. do you know if they are posted in public? |
| 15:14.30 | cesarb | calamous: no, someone found a gsm modem with similar commands ;-) |
| 15:14.33 | Writchie| | there is a band command but its disabled |
| 15:15.14 | cesarb | Writchie|: is it a standard 07.07 command? if it is, the real command might be a vendor one, and the 07.07 command simply not implemented |
| 15:15.28 | Writchie| | it's not a standard command |
| 15:15.33 | calamous | Anyone know what "GSM baseband download mode" is? |
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| 15:15.41 | calamous | Writchie is an at% command? |
| 15:15.57 | Writchie| | wait one |
| 15:16.14 | calamous | at% are the propriarty commands right? |
| 15:16.39 | cesarb | (and one of my friends who is interested on the neo uses that carrier...) |
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| 15:19.01 | Writchie| | AT%BAND=20 is the command to set GSM850/1900 |
| 15:19.20 | Writchie| | AT%BAND=31 sets full quadband |
| 15:19.49 | Writchie| | these are probably disabled in FIC's configurations |
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| 15:20.26 | cesarb | Writchie|: do you have a link to the document these came from? |
| 15:20.30 | mjr | good to know; before, somebody here said (probably not knowing better) that it should be fully automatic and you can't switch bands manually |
| 15:20.32 | Writchie| | Someone Disabled GSM850 accidentally or intentionally and is stonewalling any information about it. |
| 15:20.37 | calamous | Wow, I just looked at the GSM freq ranges, Why does the US have to be different?!? |
| 15:20.51 | cesarb | calamous: because the GSM bands were already in use there |
| 15:21.42 | calamous | Perhaps it would be best if everyone threw away their radios and the entrie spectrum was compeletly reallocated. (but that would be very expensive, and unrealastic) |
| 15:22.33 | cesarb | Writchie|: I think the problem is that nobody who has already tried 850 filed a bug report on bugzilla |
| 15:22.43 | cesarb | Writchie|: bug reports on bugzilla are harder to forget or ignore |
| 15:22.58 | Writchie| | cesarb: http://www.enfora.com/index.cgi?CONTENT_ID=577&User:LANGUAGE=en |
| 15:23.27 | Writchie| | these guys have modules, some of which are caylpso based. |
| 15:24.11 | calamous | cesarb, at&t prepaid sim |
| 15:24.56 | cesarb | Writchie|: you do know there are TWO different firmware for calypso, right? |
| 15:24.59 | Writchie| | the engineering mode 2 commands for the Enabler IIE work on the neo as documented up to 13 |
| 15:25.06 | cesarb | Writchie|: just take a look at gsmd's vendor_* files |
| 15:25.27 | Kero | root@fic-gta01:~$ ./ruby -ve 'puts "Hello, world!"' |
| 15:25.27 | Kero | ruby 1.8.6 (2007-03-13 patchlevel 0) [arm-linux-eabi] |
| 15:25.27 | Kero | Hello, world! |
| 15:25.52 | Writchie| | the IIE is as edge version and the neo is not. |
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| 15:26.16 | hhf423 | re |
| 15:26.26 | Writchie| | cesarb: what makes you think there are "two" different calypso firmware bases? |
| 15:26.47 | cesarb | Writchie|: the vendor_* files on gsmd |
| 15:27.18 | cesarb | gtg, lunch |
| 15:27.28 | Writchie| | cesarb: AFAIK these related to the HTC which uses a qualcomm chipsek IIRC |
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| 15:29.50 | calamous | Here is my output STR=`at%band=?' |
| 15:29.50 | calamous | RSTR=`%BAND: (0-1),(1-31)' |
| 15:30.22 | calamous | so 1-31 means manual-GSM/EGSM/DCS/PCS/850 |
| 15:30.42 | calamous | and 0-1 means automatic-GSM900 |
| 15:31.37 | Writchie | It means it is in automatic mode - it's supposed to select any band |
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| 15:32.03 | calamous | Is there any way I can force it on the 850 band? |
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| 15:32.36 | hhf423 | re |
| 15:32.54 | Writchie | As I said before, mannually setting the band appears to be disabled. |
| 15:33.38 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, where are those images you mentioned supposed to appear? |
| 15:33.50 | calamous | Damn |
| 15:34.44 | Writchie | At the present time, the GTA01BV4 is not legally registered in US to transmit on GSM850 - at least according to the publicly filed documents. |
| 15:35.23 | hhf423 | could the chip even do 850? |
| 15:35.26 | Writchie | i don't mind this at all at this stage of developement - what I mind is FIC/opemmoko.com being completely silend |
| 15:35.54 | Writchie | while people waste valuable time trying to make works things that FIC knows full well is disabled. |
| 15:36.13 | calamous | Wow, that makes me angry |
| 15:36.22 | dcordes | where can I find an overview of applications used in openmoko currently? (like text editor, image viewer and so on) |
| 15:36.23 | Writchie | the chipset is quadband |
| 15:36.47 | calamous | Bug #666 talks about the at&t sims and there has been no activity on it for a month |
| 15:37.03 | Writchie | however, antennae, impedeances, etc. all have to be proper for quadband. |
| 15:37.26 | calamous | "Upgrading the modem's firmware is technically possible but no proper software is currently legally available to users outside OpenMoko staff." |
| 15:37.26 | Stephmw | Writchie: one thing I do appreciate about the whole OpenMoko information availability is that it's a hell of a lot more than is typically available publicly... or even to operators at this stage of development |
| 15:37.30 | Writchie | #666 problem and its timing are not unusal |
| 15:37.50 | Writchie | Spehpmw: so do I |
| 15:37.58 | zedstar | in 2007.2 i have a gtk+ dialog which asks for password and the keyboard vanishes at that point...anyone know how to bring back the keyboard? |
| 15:39.48 | jeddy3 | zedstar, maybe it toggles the keyboard, try entering the password dialog with keyboard turned off |
| 15:40.02 | Stephmw | calamous: NDAs are part of what made me quit my last job |
| 15:40.04 | Kero | hit the entry w the stylus? |
| 15:40.10 | Stephmw | calamous: I'm getting sick of them |
| 15:40.17 | Writchie | Stephmw: It is actually FIC who is loosing out because there are a fair number of people here that could help them quite a bit with low level things if there were a bit more forthcoming. |
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| 15:40.27 | calamous | Yeah |
| 15:40.33 | Writchie | NDA is not the problem. |
| 15:40.50 | zedstar | kero: how u mean? |
| 15:40.51 | jeddy3 | zedstar, they might have changed it previous behaviour was putting up double keyboards in a keyboard toggling input, still not right...but |
| 15:41.35 | calamous | Stpehmw, I feel that the whole copyright and patent system needs a reform. |
| 15:41.42 | zedstar | i think cos the prompt hides characters (password prompt) it disables keyboard and dunno how to get it back if i click in the field for normal entry it appears |
| 15:42.10 | calamous | But, lets take a guess, do you think we will hear from FIC about the firmware / 850 band first, or ATI will opensoure their graphics driver |
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| 15:42.37 | Stephmw | calamous: patents and copyrights are a separate issue to NDAs |
| 15:43.14 | zedstar | ah ok solved it...can bring the other keyboard up from input manager and works |
| 15:43.16 | calamous | Yes, but I was always under the impression that patents existed to protect inventions so you could make the information public to spread knowledge |
| 15:43.47 | Stephmw | calamous: yes, it's a conditional monopoly.... but that's still less desirable than trade secrets |
| 15:43.56 | sagaci1 | calamous: Patents exist you could make money from inventions |
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| 15:44.03 | Stephmw | calamous: and with encrypted ROMs and stuff, trade secrets are much more attractive |
| 15:44.25 | calamous | Stephmw, But with a trade secret, if someone figures it out they can publish it right? |
| 15:44.35 | calamous | The only protection is that it is "secret" |
| 15:44.35 | ScaredyCat | jeddy3: my images? |
| 15:44.53 | zedstar | that 2 keyboard thing is confusing |
| 15:44.56 | Stephmw | calamous: hence NDA... whoever figures it out has to be damn sure they can prove they did so legally |
| 15:44.58 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, you mentioned something about 7h left this morning |
| 15:45.11 | Writchie | patents are a license to sue and be sued - little more |
| 15:45.22 | Stephmw | calamous: with the litigious name of the game these days, it's not worth going public |
| 15:46.04 | ScaredyCat | ahh well, they're done :) |
| 15:46.20 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ |
| 15:46.46 | calamous | Stephmw, this is off the subject of computing, but I think this example demonstrates the best abuse of the patent system. Have you heard of the drug either nexium or Prilosec? |
| 15:47.25 | ScaredyCat | http://automated.it/buildhost/OM2007.2/?M=D :) better view |
| 15:47.31 | Stephmw | calamous: no, can't say I have |
| 15:48.00 | jeddy3 | scaredycat-openmoko? |
| 15:48.14 | ScaredyCat | there are 2 |
| 15:48.14 | jeddy3 | ah, scummvm etc... |
| 15:48.33 | ScaredyCat | the standard Openmoko- image,and an experimaental one of mine |
| 15:48.35 | calamous | They are "heart burn" drugs. In chemistry an enantiomer is just a mirror image, so your right hand is an enantiomer of the left, a mirror image. |
| 15:49.11 | calamous | Those two drugs are just a mirror image of eachother, and when the patent ran out on the first drug, they got it on the second |
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| 15:49.16 | jeddy3 | whats the difference between these, and the ones on buildhost? |
| 15:49.25 | ScaredyCat | http://automated.it/buildhost/OM2007.2/OpenMoko-rootfs-glibc-ipk-P1-August-Snapshot-20070902-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 15:49.34 | ScaredyCat | is probably a good one for you. |
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| 15:49.52 | ScaredyCat | jeddy3:depends when thay get built :) |
| 15:49.58 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, ah :) |
| 15:50.23 | jeddy3 | and just grab latest (1/9) uimage |
| 15:50.31 | ScaredyCat | ya |
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| 15:50.44 | ScaredyCat | http://automated.it/buildhost/OM2007.2/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin |
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| 15:51.49 | jeddy3 | modules are just kernel modules ment for extracting into filesystem, but the openmoko-devel image contains these modules also right? |
| 15:52.16 | mickey|mdd | ya, however openmoko-devel-image does not contain all modules |
| 15:52.22 | mickey|mdd | module-foo.tar.bz2 contains all |
| 15:52.22 | thomasg | mickey|mdd, will you be at the next CCC Congress in berlin? |
| 15:52.43 | jeddy3 | mickey|mdd, ah, how so? |
| 15:52.53 | ScaredyCat | you shouldn't need that, unless you want to add stuff like ext2 for example |
| 15:53.01 | mickey|mdd | thomasg: i'm not sure. it always conflicts a bit with my birthday (26th) and silvester ;) |
| 15:53.12 | thomasg | hehe |
| 15:53.17 | ScaredyCat | jeddy3: *all* modules is big |
| 15:53.58 | ScaredyCat | that would be 44mb image + 24 odd mb modules (compressed) |
| 15:53.59 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, nod, but the needed (sd-card, etc...) are in openmoko-devel-image? |
| 15:54.05 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 15:54.10 | jeddy3 | right, thanks |
| 15:54.10 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Student_phone]] [[Business_phone]] [[Vertical_applications]] [[Talk:Wish_List]] [[User:Jcwang]] [[Wish_List]] [[Mobile_photo_frame]] [[Category:Business]] [[Business_Development]] [[Main_Page]] |
| 15:54.39 | ScaredyCat | everything you need should be in there... it's only if you're trying 'other' stuff :) |
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| 15:57.41 | rmoravcik | ScaredyCat: striped modules has ~2Mb compressed |
| 15:58.06 | ScaredyCat | all ? |
| 15:58.25 | rmoravcik | ScaredyCat: yes |
| 15:58.31 | jadams | ScaredyCat: does dialing work from boot on your builds, or is the stop/start trick still needed? |
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| 16:00.39 | ScaredyCat | jadams: the Openmoko- builds are just standard builds. |
| 16:01.03 | ScaredyCat | the *scaredycat* builds are.. errm slightly different from standard |
| 16:02.25 | jadams | scummfromtehgetgo! |
| 16:02.37 | jadams | what's myresolv? |
| 16:03.14 | jadams | also, here's a big gripe I've always had about these default file listings...why can't I set the number of characters it shows me in the filename? sigh... |
| 16:03.33 | jadams | I always use firefox fullscreen on one desktop, and things like that make me bring it down so I can have my status bar to see the filename |
| 16:03.36 | ScaredyCat | jadams: myresolv has been removed.. :) |
| 16:04.03 | jadams | I think I'm going to attempt to bt network this sucker through my n770 today |
| 16:04.27 | jadams | first, I'll flash this guy with your latest scaredycat image...then I'll flash the 770 with os2007 hacker edition |
| 16:04.37 | jadams | then just a bit of ifconfig, eh? |
| 16:05.09 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 16:05.19 | ScaredyCat | good luck... |
| 16:05.24 | ScaredyCat | because I want the same :D |
| 16:05.43 | jadams | I'll let you know... |
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| 16:36.54 | cesarb | I'm wondering why is the build "interleaved"... I see it compile webkit-gtk, compile several other packages, and hours later come back to webkit-gtk for a "do_package" |
| 16:37.23 | cesarb | Wait, pcmciautils? This is getting ridiculous |
| 16:40.32 | mickey|mdd | task-based granularity |
| 16:40.32 | mickey|mdd | some tasks depend on other tasks |
| 16:41.30 | jadams | ScaredyCat: how hard is it to get edje-viewer built? Tried? |
| 16:41.35 | happycube | and if those are spaced out enough you get better parallelization |
| 16:41.51 | ScaredyCat | not tried tbh |
| 16:42.09 | jadams | tbh? |
| 16:42.35 | ScaredyCat | to be honest |
| 16:42.47 | jadams | Also, I've *got* to get my GPRS routing my internet. I have unlimited internet and I've used it for like 15 seconds total |
| 16:42.50 | jadams | aha |
| 16:42.53 | jadams | my acronym-foo is weak |
| 16:43.27 | ScaredyCat | :x |
| 16:43.28 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 16:43.38 | jadams | HOLY CRAP THOSE LOOK JUST LIKE FACES |
| 16:44.19 | amarsh04 | the :x is Miffy the cat? (-: |
| 16:44.54 | ScaredyCat | jadams: just building edje-viewer |
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| 16:46.51 | amarsh04 | 0.3svn.R563 here |
| 16:47.02 | amarsh04 | sorry, wrong channel |
| 16:48.09 | jadams | ScaredyCat: awesome. By the time I get everything downloaded and flashed between the phone and the 770 it'll be gravyu |
| 16:48.12 | jadams | -u |
| 16:48.48 | ScaredyCat | warning, do not put gravy on your neo or 770. |
| 16:49.41 | mjr | what, they don't taste better then? |
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| 16:55.49 | ScaredyCat | only wiht cheese |
| 16:56.12 | borg_ | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=1 <--- what is this "satscan"? |
| 16:56.18 | borg_ | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/488c9fee2eb8eb488ffc45e2003184f3.png |
| 16:57.35 | jeddy3 | borg_, in the mailinglist |
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| 16:57.47 | mickey|mdd | scap.linuxtogo.org is fun |
| 16:57.56 | mickey|mdd | pretty cool things there nowadays |
| 16:58.02 | borg_ | yes :) |
| 16:59.12 | cesarb | satscan sounds like the kind of thing the sphyrna guys would do... |
| 16:59.13 | kristian-m | who did this battery monitor, btw? - i guess i don't have to add this to settingsgui anymore then... :-) |
| 16:59.28 | jeddy3 | borg_, but can't seem to find post now... |
| 16:59.38 | borg_ | :P |
| 16:59.41 | jeddy3 | cesarb, yes it's from the sphyrna project |
| 17:00.41 | jeddy3 | borg_, here http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2007-August/000408.html |
| 17:01.02 | borg_ | thx :) |
| 17:02.46 | jeddy3 | now it's my turn :)...what is this "treemodelIF..." http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/55f8e257ff776196576b0e604383fe2a.png |
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| 17:04.46 | cesarb | It keeps going and going and going... |
| 17:05.11 | kristian-m | jeddy3 thats from Lars Hallberg see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-September/009925.html |
| 17:05.28 | jeddy3 | kristian-m, thanks |
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| 17:09.23 | riot | hmm |
| 17:10.22 | riot | i'm trying to install scummvm from http://buildhost.automated.it/scummvm/ but ipkg just spits out "Terminated" - even with -V 3 |
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| 17:14.42 | mbuf | is anyone here from Madrid? |
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| 17:36.48 | ScaredyCat | jadams: it's done |
| 17:37.07 | ScaredyCat | untested, but it's available from my repo |
| 17:39.30 | jadams | ScaredyCat: I'll test it as soon as this latest image flash is done (halfway through, scaredycat image) |
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| 17:39.41 | jadams | man nothing's better than fresh squeezed grapefruit juice |
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| 17:45.17 | riot | how is the pin managed, btw? Should a dialog pop up or is it to be stored in a config-file? |
| 17:46.16 | mdt | riot, as far as is know it is not allowed to store the pin somewhere |
| 17:47.13 | riot | mdt: well, the phone never asks me for one, but watching the logs, i can see that upon gsm-powerup the modem asks for a pin.. |
| 17:47.31 | mdt | that may be a gui problem |
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| 17:48.18 | mdt | i don't know if openmoko follows gsm specs in any way (like emergency calls and other base requirements for mobile phones) |
| 17:48.50 | riot | I'd not wanna test that... |
| 17:50.39 | riot | shit.. i bitterly need a new HDD.. no space left for any build-environment.. and i don't wanna build notepad-apps (i blatantly stole one from the pygtk manual btw, works great, even i18n), when i cannot even make/receive calls properly |
| 17:53.41 | Writchie | is u-boot missing from OM2007.2 ???? |
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| 17:54.46 | riot | ;) |
| 17:55.08 | jadams | erm, so I get "root@(none)" for my prompt, and hostname foo doesn't seem to make it root@foo...any ideas? |
| 17:55.52 | cesarb | jadams: tried restarting the shell after changing the hostname? |
| 17:56.25 | jadams | cesarb: just now rebooting, so it'll do that for me I suppose :) |
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| 17:57.32 | cesarb | jadams: if it doesn't set the hostname back (at least on what I recall from Debian's initscripts, hostname is set on boot from /etc/hostname) |
| 17:59.10 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2892 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokopanelui2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): libmokopanelui2: use MBPanelScalingImage as icon |
| 18:04.14 | jadams | wow, updates to lots of stuff coming down with ipkg update && ipkg upgrade, hurrah |
| 18:04.58 | jadams | cesarb: etc/hostname is a directory... |
| 18:06.10 | jadams | what are the odds something like an xmms always-on-top would work in matchbox? |
| 18:06.27 | riot | jadams: /etc/hostname should be a file. |
| 18:06.45 | jadams | riot: alright, then something awkward is going down on my fs |
| 18:06.58 | Kero | ruby runs, feed http://chmeee.dyndns.org/om/ruby/feed provided (and mail to ML sent) |
| 18:07.22 | riot | either this, or some tool b0rked your hostname-file. should be a simple text-file containing just your hostname (without domain et al) |
| 18:07.58 | jadams | Kero: awesome awesome |
| 18:08.03 | jadams | Kero: where do you live? |
| 18:08.23 | cesarb | jadams: hm... do you have a post-2007.2 uboot? |
| 18:08.25 | jadams | this was on my list, but work keeps getting in the way |
| 18:08.33 | jadams | cesarb: I don't |
| 18:08.39 | cesarb | jadams: and if you don't, did you run "nand erase rootfs" before flashing the rootfs? |
| 18:08.40 | jadams | I don't guess... |
| 18:08.43 | jadams | I didn't |
| 18:08.55 | Kero | jadams: netherlands |
| 18:09.25 | cesarb | jadams: if you don't have a post-2007.2 uboot (the one from sean's snapshot announcement is great), and don't run "nand erase rootfs" before flashing the rootfs, you will get jffs2 filesystem corruption |
| 18:09.47 | cesarb | jadams: either a recent uboot or running "nand erase rootfs" before flashing the rootfs avoids it |
| 18:10.06 | jadams | cesarb: alright, thanks. I'll flash the uboot shortly, for now I have to play with ruby on my corrupted fs :) |
| 18:10.18 | jadams | and check out edje-viewer that ScaredyCat built |
| 18:10.24 | cesarb | jadams: so, you probably will have to reflash the rootfs |
| 18:10.37 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2893 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/ (4 files in 4 dirs): |
| 18:10.37 | CIA-20 | openmoko: openmoko-panel-usb: catch up with libmokopanelui2 changes |
| 18:10.37 | CIA-20 | openmoko: openmoko-panel-gps: catch up with libmokopanelui2 changes |
| 18:10.42 | Kero | jadams: so you can do gtk bindings for ruby now, ok? :) |
| 18:11.28 | cesarb | jadams: if you don't have a debug board nearby (either yours or someone else's), you should only flash uboot if you are sure you know what you are doing (and have a UPS or a battery-backed computer!) |
| 18:11.44 | cesarb | jadams: (same goes for playing with the uboot environment, in fact) |
| 18:12.38 | jadams | cesarb: my debug board's at the office, I'll wait til tuesday or wednesday to flash uboot to avoid going in over the holiday |
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| 18:21.30 | jadams | meh, corrupt fs caused problems...couldn't launch edje-viewer, but only because terminal was screwed up |
| 18:21.33 | jadams | sih, starting over |
| 18:22.15 | cesarb | jadams: it's best to do an "erase nand rootfs" and reflash the rootfs |
| 18:22.31 | cesarb | jadams: so you won't waste time tripping over a broken rootfs |
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| 18:23.16 | cesarb | A question to all who use ipkg feeds: which networking do you use? cdc_ether? bluetooth pan? GPRS? |
| 18:23.21 | jadams | cesarb: I'm doing that now |
| 18:23.38 | jadams | I use usb gw (cdc_ether, right?) |
| 18:23.39 | cesarb | s/erase nand rootfs/nand erase rootfs/ |
| 18:23.45 | jadams | yeah, yeah |
| 18:23.49 | jadams | installing cu atm |
| 18:27.14 | SpeedEvil | cu? :/ |
| 18:27.42 | jadams | how long does nand erase rootfs take? |
| 18:27.54 | SpeedEvil | from memory, a few secs only |
| 18:28.06 | jadams | yeah, it finished |
| 18:28.06 | kristian-m | hi riot :-) |
| 18:28.16 | kristian-m | riot its the dialer, i guess |
| 18:28.20 | riot | SpeedEvil: so, theres no ui-stuff to really setup the gsm? |
| 18:28.22 | jadams | do I need to do anything special to leave the uboot env? no such commands as quit or exit... |
| 18:28.39 | riot | kristian-m: hi. Are you sure?? Didn't see any pin-entry. And pin is being asked before i fire up any dialer. |
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| 18:28.57 | cesarb | jadams: it makes no sense to quit or exit from uboot, since it's the operating system |
| 18:29.00 | jadams | heh, hangup works fine |
| 18:29.02 | jadams | ahh |
| 18:29.03 | cesarb | jadams: you can power-off, reboot or boot |
| 18:29.08 | riot | hnf. the dialer's readme is just wonderful.. |
| 18:29.11 | jadams | I just meant quit my terminal session |
| 18:29.23 | jadams | but it just hung up on me, so easy enough |
| 18:29.34 | cesarb | jadams: heh, you just got hit by the timeout then ;-) |
| 18:29.44 | kristian-m | riot the dialer is at leaseed used to enter the pin |
| 18:30.18 | mwester | cesarb: see http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=788 |
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| 18:30.25 | riot | kristian-m: oh yes, i see, there's a source-file containing such code.. |
| 18:31.12 | riot | hmmm, this shouldn't have anything to do with the dialer, imho. |
| 18:31.41 | Writchie | riot: ditto |
| 18:32.28 | riot | oh, but it actually can send the pin... nice thing is, it displays the pin, not some password-character.. |
| 18:32.32 | riot | evil, evil. |
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| 18:33.02 | Writchie | riot: pin requrest for bluetooth and gsm PIN1 and PIN2 etc should be handled the same way |
| 18:33.11 | Writchie | and i think they eventually will |
| 18:33.59 | riot | hmm. I'd rather like to store the pin and use some other means of "authentication/authorization" like a unix-password mechanism ;) |
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| 18:34.35 | riot | Writchie: well, generally, there should be a nice dialog to enter such data.. esp. since bt-pins are likely to be different quite often |
| 18:34.40 | cesarb | mwester: thanks, submitted my accidental finding to it |
| 18:37.12 | riot | what exactly does AT+COPS=0? Is it normal, that it gets retransmitted every few seconds? |
| 18:37.24 | Writchie | riot: so will GSM pins in the case where more features are implemented |
| 18:37.45 | polz | has work on an SMS send/recv app started yet ? |
| 18:37.47 | cesarb | riot: you have an old dialer, right? |
| 18:38.00 | cesarb | riot: rwhitby (IIRC) fixed that this week |
| 18:38.13 | riot | cesarb: the stuff is upgraded since about 4 hours. |
| 18:38.18 | cesarb | riot: it now will only hang after sending a single AT+COPS=0 instead of looping |
| 18:38.57 | riot | cesarb: hmm. so COPS=0 is a request for registration? |
| 18:39.21 | cesarb | riot: well, it's what is sent when you ask libgsmd-tool to register, so I guess it is |
| 18:39.36 | SpeedEvil | at+cops=0 is a request to logon to network 0 |
| 18:39.40 | cesarb | riot: the +CFUN=1 (just above it) is sent when you tell it to power on the antenna |
| 18:39.42 | SpeedEvil | in the lsit of at+cops=? |
| 18:39.55 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: thanks, was too lazy to look it up in the spec ;-) |
| 18:40.10 | riot | cesarb: yes, that works, except gsmd sometimes seems to fail in tracking the state. |
| 18:40.17 | Writchie | its a request to automatically register default network |
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| 18:41.20 | cesarb | !ombug 766 |
| 18:41.21 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 766, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 18:41.22 | cdbot2 | * * cesarb(AT)cesarb.net: gsmd misbehaves on back-to-back AT+CFUN=1/AT+COPS=0 |
| 18:41.23 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=766 |
| 18:41.25 | cesarb | !ombug 754 |
| 18:41.26 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 754, Status: RESOLVED (DUPLICATE), Created: Unknown |
| 18:41.27 | cdbot2 | * * yoyo(AT)ghost.pl: uicmoc4-native_4.3.1.bb |
| 18:41.29 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=754 |
| 18:41.30 | cesarb | oops |
| 18:41.34 | cesarb | !ombug 574 |
| 18:41.35 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 574, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 18:41.36 | cdbot2 | * * mickey(AT)vanille-media.de: timing issues / buffer parsing issues in gsmd |
| 18:41.37 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=574 |
| 18:41.52 | cesarb | riot: see these two bugs |
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| 18:45.27 | riot | cesarb: hmm. They all come further than i do. |
| 18:45.45 | riot | and now the matchboxpanel died upon deactivation of the gsm. |
| 18:46.49 | Writchie | riot: GSM on the neo supports 16 various passwords - at least with the SIM i am using |
| 18:46.52 | cesarb | riot: you can try the following: |
| 18:46.57 | cesarb | riot: stop gsmd |
| 18:47.01 | cesarb | riot: start it again |
| 18:47.07 | ScaredyCat | jadams: update you image |
| 18:47.09 | cesarb | riot: on libgsmd-tool -m shell, type "O" |
| 18:47.13 | cesarb | riot: wait a few seconds |
| 18:47.18 | cesarb | riot: type "r" |
| 18:47.29 | jadams | ScaredyCat: which image? I nand erased rootfs and just reinstalled the scaredycat openmoko-devel rootfs image |
| 18:47.38 | cesarb | riot: that should be enough for it to register, now restart the GUI (restart X completely) |
| 18:47.48 | ScaredyCat | download the scaredycat image again |
| 18:47.58 | jadams | rebooting it right now, then i have to do my post-install networking stuff to change its default IP to 192.168.1.202 so it doesn't conflict with the real network here on .0 |
| 18:48.01 | ScaredyCat | rootfs |
| 18:48.05 | jadams | ScaredyCat: aha, k |
| 18:48.24 | riot | cesarb: ok, i'm trying that |
| 18:48.32 | ScaredyCat | brb fewd!!! |
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| 18:49.13 | cesarb | damn, this thing loves hanging when I exchange SIMs |
| 18:49.45 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 18:50.07 | SpeedEvil | Just got my neo back from a trip, logging GSM EM=2,2 data - to see if I can do ranging |
| 18:50.14 | SpeedEvil | And the GPS died for some reason. |
| 18:50.35 | riot | cesarb: yep, it seems registered now. |
| 18:50.45 | jeddy3 | cesarb, how to restart X? |
| 18:50.53 | riot | does the signal-strength-monitoring work? |
| 18:50.57 | cesarb | jeddy3: some script on /etc/init.d |
| 18:51.01 | Writchie | are you sure the network isi gsm 850 only |
| 18:51.03 | jeddy3 | cesarb, ag |
| 18:51.06 | jeddy3 | cesarb, ah* |
| 18:51.07 | cesarb | jeddy3: call it passing "reload" as the argument |
| 18:51.13 | cesarb | Writchie: yes |
| 18:51.19 | cesarb | Writchie: as sure as google can tell |
| 18:51.48 | SpeedEvil | riot: yes - it seems it may also give crude ranges to the tower. |
| 18:52.00 | riot | yup, now its updated |
| 18:52.02 | cesarb | Writchie: the carrier is Vivo (the CDMA carrier), every place I've looked says they use GSM850 |
| 18:52.37 | riot | what about the audio-profiles? i had a call just some secs ago, but no mic et al. Is it still necessary to switch the alsa-settings by hand? |
| 18:52.38 | Writchie | CDMA carrier? how is that going to work with GSM |
| 18:53.12 | cesarb | Writchie: they also have GSM now |
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| 18:53.24 | kristian-m | riot if you get python-pygtk running you could try settingsgui |
| 18:53.32 | cesarb | Writchie: perhaps they got tired of being the only odd one (all the others in the whole country are already GSM) |
| 18:54.06 | Writchie | What do you get from AT+COPS=? |
| 18:54.23 | riot | kristian-m: i have pygtk runnin |
| 18:54.49 | cesarb | Writchie: with my Claro SIM, I got the other three carriers, but not this one |
| 18:55.08 | riot | kristian-m: you should hang around in #neo1973-germany, too |
| 18:55.19 | cesarb | Writchie: since it didn't register yet, somehow AT+COPS=? doesn't work (I also noticed that without a SIM, it only works after you register to a network) |
| 18:55.55 | Writchie | it should see all of the networks after you AT+CFUN=1 |
| 18:55.56 | jeddy3 | aah...it's the little things =) |
| 18:56.08 | cesarb | Writchie: before registering? |
| 18:56.24 | Writchie | yes - other wise you don't know which network to register? |
| 18:56.32 | Writchie | if you're doing manual |
| 18:56.37 | Writchie | like when roaming |
| 18:57.18 | cesarb | Writchie: no~pe... even powering off, powering on again (which sends CFUN=1), it doesn't quite answer to COPS=? |
| 18:57.19 | Writchie | it should show whether each network is either your current registered network, available network, or not-allowed network |
| 18:57.20 | riot | lol! my soundcard is gone, according to alsa. |
| 18:57.36 | cesarb | Writchie: COPS=? only works for me after a successful +COPS=0 |
| 18:57.52 | riot | no modules loaded.. wtf |
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| 18:58.00 | Writchie | i'm afraid i don't trust anything other than CU to the chipset at the moment. |
| 18:58.17 | cesarb | Writchie: cu to the chipset hangs for me, so I have no other option than to trust gsmd |
| 18:58.22 | Writchie | do you see more than one network after you register |
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| 18:59.08 | BasiC_ | how can i adjust the mouse of my openmoko ( qemu ) |
| 18:59.10 | cesarb | Writchie: with my SIM, yes (the three older GSM networks, including mine); with the Vivo SIM (or without a SIM), +COPS=0 doesn't work |
| 18:59.36 | mbuf | Writchie, i am working on an "AT Test Suite" application; have a simple prototype; have registered the project at projects.openmoko.org, but, haven't got confirmation |
| 19:00.00 | mbuf | Writchie, it has a GUI, and uses libgsmd as backend; if anyone can approve it fast, I can upload the code package; |
| 19:00.08 | frma71__ | cesarb: Are you running the tty stuff in a parallel session after you start cu ? |
| 19:00.16 | BasiC_ | hey guys :( |
| 19:00.45 | Stephmw | BasiC_: no idea - what's the problem? |
| 19:01.19 | jadams | what is SettingsGUI on http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ ? |
| 19:01.22 | Writchie | what is the response from AT+COPS=0 |
| 19:01.34 | BasiC_ | the "mouse" ( touchscreen ) on openmoko is not where my mouse is pointing |
| 19:01.43 | kristian-m | mbuf why don't you use an other repository and port it to the wiki? - any screenshots yet? I'm curious |
| 19:02.14 | kristian-m | jadams http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SettingsGUI *plug again* ;-) |
| 19:02.18 | Writchie | cesarb: when you run cu are you using --nostop |
| 19:02.22 | BasiC_ | Stephmw: :(? |
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| 19:03.06 | cesarb | Writchie: I saw no --nostop on the wiki (where it explains how to use gsm manually) |
| 19:03.08 | jadams | kristian-m: cool. Also, I've got to find out if Xournal is in a repos somewhere, but waiting on an upgrade to finish right now |
| 19:03.21 | cesarb | (wtf, this samsung I took the SIM from _loses the time_ if you remove the battery) |
| 19:04.28 | BasiC_ | i cant use mouse @ qemu :( |
| 19:04.34 | Writchie | cesarb: it may not be necessary depending on what you are doing but the modem uses hardware flow control and xon xoff must not be used. It may not matter for small data but cu should work. |
| 19:05.06 | mbuf | kristian-m, http://shakthimaan.com/downloads/openmoko/images/at-test-suite-window.png - a prototype |
| 19:05.08 | cesarb | Writchie: I cannot even type "AT" on cu |
| 19:05.14 | Writchie | i have one cu session, for example, that has been up and running through acm port for 3 days |
| 19:05.17 | cesarb | Writchie: it simply doesn't answer, or even echo |
| 19:05.34 | jadams | how does one install packages to the SD card? |
| 19:05.50 | kristian-m | does anyone know if gprs uses the same ppp configuration for every provider? - any differences on pap/chap authentification or the like? |
| 19:05.52 | Writchie | is gsmd off |
| 19:06.09 | cesarb | Writchie: when I tried, yes |
| 19:06.11 | Writchie | kristian-m: its different for each provider |
| 19:06.28 | kristian-m | mbuf thanks - wow thats nice :-) |
| 19:06.30 | frma71__ | cesarb: I have to run stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts to get my cu to work. |
| 19:06.54 | cesarb | frma71__: stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 -a shows crtscts is already enabled |
| 19:06.56 | kristian-m | Writchie I was suspecting that... |
| 19:07.08 | Writchie | most common is zeros for ip and no username and no password - your mileage may vary |
| 19:07.09 | kristian-m | :-/ |
| 19:07.16 | cesarb | (just wait for this slow thing to boot, and I'll test... |
| 19:07.19 | SpeedEvil | APN needs set. |
| 19:07.32 | Writchie | APN must be what you provider requires |
| 19:07.36 | cesarb | kristian-m: try to search Palm's site for your provider's configuration |
| 19:07.50 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile is t-mobile.general.uk |
| 19:07.56 | SpeedEvil | (in Uk/) |
| 19:07.58 | cesarb | kristian-m: the opera mini pages also have a good list, with APN |
| 19:08.38 | Writchie | sony-ericsson has a site that will send an sms to phone to program the specific settings for your carrier. Eventually i hope to grab these messages and translate them to the neo |
| 19:08.39 | kristian-m | cesarb I've got a working configuration, just want to find out, what options I have to offer in the program |
| 19:08.41 | mbuf | i request OM team to put the burden of GForge projects to the community, so we can share their work/burden |
| 19:08.57 | kristian-m | cesarb thanks, i'll have a look at it |
| 19:10.11 | cesarb | ok, I'm booted and killed -9 gsmd |
| 19:11.25 | cesarb | root@fic-gta01:~$ cu -l /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 19:11.27 | cesarb | Connected. |
| 19:11.31 | cesarb | It hangs there |
| 19:11.52 | jadams | ScaredyCat: so the terminal is what was messed up in the other scaredycat image, or no? And how do I know that I downloaded the right one? (seemsto have the same name)... |
| 19:12.44 | cesarb | I've done that several times in the past! |
| 19:13.07 | cesarb | clearly, something WTF is going on... |
| 19:13.32 | Writchie | you need more than that - baud rate etc. wait one |
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| 19:14.07 | cesarb | Writchie: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM says nothing about baud rate, and even then didn't gsmd already set most things up for me? |
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| 19:15.06 | riot | how are new modules updated? My debian's manpage to update-modules says "does nothing - is obsolete" |
| 19:15.26 | riot | i have three modules-dirs under /lib/modules only one (matching the kernel) containing anything |
| 19:15.34 | riot | but no modules get loaded |
| 19:16.10 | riot | modprobe rather tries old module-paths (and fails..) |
| 19:17.53 | cesarb | Cool, someone on bug 788 started debugging the crashes with the debug board |
| 19:18.41 | SpeedEvil | !om bug 788 |
| 19:18.59 | SpeedEvil | !ombug 788 |
| 19:18.59 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 788, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 19:19.01 | cdbot2 | * * mwester(AT)dls.net: Starting or stopping gsmd completely locks up the Neo |
| 19:19.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=788 |
| 19:19.04 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 19:19.23 | riot | oh,funny. ipkg upgrades on the kernel seemingly didn't work |
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| 19:19.39 | cesarb | riot: the kernel is on a "raw" separate partition, so it's not surprising |
| 19:19.49 | cesarb | riot: you have to use uboot to upgrade the kernel |
| 19:19.58 | Aria | Yeah. You have to update the kernel partition with dfu-util (or I suppose internally flash it, but I've never seen instruction for that) |
| 19:20.05 | riot | why is it upgraded by ipkg then? |
| 19:20.14 | riot | i was already wondering. |
| 19:20.18 | Aria | There's an internal copy (with modules) too. |
| 19:20.57 | riot | just wasting space? |
| 19:21.23 | jadams | ScaredyCat: also, fyi edge-viewer doesn't seem to work...at least when I run it ssh'ed in. I'll try directly from the phone, but the error seemed not to be display-related... |
| 19:21.31 | jadams | err, edje-viewer |
| 19:21.53 | Writchie | cesarb: i'm running still on an om2007.1 - i use cu -l /dev/ttySAC0 -h -s 115200 |
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| 19:22.06 | Writchie | the -h sets half duplex so you can see what you type |
| 19:24.08 | cesarb | Writchie: cool, will try it later |
| 19:24.24 | Writchie | cesarb: After you issue an AT+COPS=? you have to wait for the network scan to complete (about 10 seconds). If you type anything it will abort the scan and give you an OK |
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| 19:26.40 | cesarb | Connected. |
| 19:26.40 | cesarb | AT^M |
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| 19:26.48 | cesarb | It doesn't like my enter key :( |
| 19:26.58 | Writchie | that what you should get |
| 19:27.05 | Writchie | the control M is carriage return |
| 19:27.16 | Writchie | the modem should respond with an OK |
| 19:27.17 | cesarb | Writchie: it doesn't even go to the next line |
| 19:28.03 | Writchie | are you running a recent OM2007.2 |
| 19:28.11 | cesarb | Writchie: yes, today's |
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| 19:28.35 | Writchie | well, i saw something about applications trying to automatically restart gsmd |
| 19:28.37 | cesarb | Writchie: (a few hours ago, in fact... things change every swearword minute on this random build) |
| 19:29.09 | cesarb | Writchie: they don't even notice it went away, in fact they never even seem to have connected to it in the first place |
| 19:29.30 | Writchie | you did turn the modem on? |
| 19:30.51 | riot | oh no.. kernel-modules installs _everything_ bad idea |
| 19:31.05 | Writchie | riot: especially the usbgadget |
| 19:31.50 | cesarb | Writchie: gsmd's init script turned it on |
| 19:31.54 | riot | Writchie: no, _everything_.. scsi e.g. |
| 19:31.57 | cesarb | Writchie: turning it off hangs the kernel... |
| 19:32.12 | cesarb | Writchie: (well, turning it back on is what hangs the kernel) |
| 19:32.31 | Writchie | i'll try it here |
| 19:36.07 | Writchie | cesarb: Mine works perfectly |
| 19:36.27 | Writchie | when i power back up, i get AT-Command INterpreter ready |
| 19:36.59 | cesarb | Writchie: older kernel? |
| 19:37.29 | Writchie | yes. |
| 19:37.33 | cesarb | Writchie: oh, btw, earlier you were saying about ATAND... but your syntax was wrong |
| 19:37.41 | cesarb | Writchie: it seems it's a kernel bug on the newer kernel |
| 19:37.53 | cesarb | Writchie: (the hang, that is) |
| 19:37.56 | Writchie | which AT |
| 19:38.14 | cesarb | Writchie: but even with the older kernel, I neve managed to make cu work |
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| 19:38.25 | cesarb | Writchie: oh, btw, earlier you were saying about AT%BAND... but your syntax was wrong |
| 19:38.40 | cesarb | Writchie: it's not AT%BAND=x |
| 19:38.47 | cesarb | Writchie: it's AT%BAND=1,x |
| 19:41.38 | Writchie | cesarb: yes |
| 19:42.54 | cesarb | Writchie: with the correct syntax, I get "conditional info element error" |
| 19:43.02 | cesarb | Writchie: (+CME ERROR: 100) |
| 19:43.23 | Writchie | cesarb: i think my error was a little different but it was a CME ERROR |
| 19:43.39 | cesarb | Writchie: I get the CME ERROR, the text I looked up in the manual |
| 19:43.44 | Writchie | CME ERROR 21 |
| 19:43.50 | SpeedEvil | at%band? |
| 19:44.11 | cesarb | Writchie: 21 is "call rejected", makes no sense |
| 19:44.58 | cesarb | ah, wrong table |
| 19:45.04 | cesarb | 100 is "unknown" (wtf?) |
| 19:45.15 | cesarb | 21 is "invalid index" (???) |
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| 19:45.24 | Writchie | cesarb: without registration my AT+COPS=? returns (after 10 seconds or so) ERROR |
| 19:45.43 | Writchie | After I register, it returns the two networks in range |
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| 19:47.12 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: AT%BAND sets which bands to operate on - or automatic. |
| 19:47.19 | Writchie | it's clearly implemented |
| 19:47.28 | Writchie | but it doesn't accept anything other than automatic |
| 19:47.58 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2894 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-gsm.c): openmoko-panel-gsm: catch up with libmokopanelui2 |
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| 19:49.15 | Writchie | does anybody have u-boot images in their OM2007.2 build. Mine have disappeared |
| 19:50.48 | cesarb | Writchie: mine doesn't have any either |
| 19:51.00 | cesarb | Writchie: probably isn't being built by default anymore |
| 19:51.10 | cesarb | Writchie: (and, IIRC, the package name changed, just to be more fun) |
| 19:51.30 | Writchie | that's just great - now we need to build two overnight builds |
| 19:53.45 | cesarb | Writchie: it should be in the feed autobuilders use, shouldn't it? |
| 19:54.10 | cesarb | Writchie: it probably was being built before by accident (an accidental dependency on uboot somewhere) |
| 19:54.11 | ScaredyCat | i have uboot from 31st aug |
| 19:55.39 | Writchie | well u-boot is very hardware specific and is couple by the PM to the specific kernel - it needs to be in the builds. |
| 19:55.56 | Writchie | otherwise why bother with all this bb stuff |
| 19:56.56 | Writchie | i am geeting openocd and duf-util |
| 19:57.04 | Writchie | s/geeting/getting/ |
| 19:57.16 | Writchie | s/duf/dfu/ |
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| 19:57.45 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2895 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-bt/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-bt.c): openmoko-panel-bt: catch up with libmokopanelui2, reindent |
| 19:57.48 | ScaredyCat | is there a stamp for it? |
| 19:58.08 | ScaredyCat | holy crap that was an important commit... |
| 19:58.09 | Writchie | it appears that both om2007.1 and om2007.2 are still alive |
| 19:58.37 | cesarb | Writchie: did you try "ATAND=0"? |
| 19:58.40 | cesarb | urgh |
| 19:58.43 | cesarb | Writchie: did you try "AT%BAND=0"? |
| 19:58.49 | Writchie | yes |
| 19:59.01 | cesarb | Writchie: it is giving me an error... |
| 19:59.12 | cesarb | Writchie: which is strange, since it is already in mode 0 |
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| 19:59.18 | cesarb | (+CME ERROR: 100) |
| 19:59.46 | cesarb | Writchie: I agree with you that it looks a bit like a heavy-handed "early exit" from the band-setting function... |
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| 20:01.02 | Writchie | cesarb: I get error also when setting the band |
| 20:01.20 | Writchie | the set function looks disabled - possibly in the wrong place. |
| 20:01.47 | Writchie | it should not report that the command options are present and then not permit you do set them |
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| 20:05.15 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2896 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-bt/src/openmoko-panel-bt.c: openmoko-panel-bt: refactor a bit |
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| 20:07.36 | morten_ | Hi guys and gals |
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| 20:08.37 | marsan | hello everyone, i cant wait untill GTA02 gets out. Dev`s are doing a teriffic good job! |
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| 20:09.01 | morten_ | Any of you have any clue of the progress of gta 2.0? I've been scouring the net but i can't seem to find anything consice? Anything i've missed? |
| 20:09.19 | marsan | october, morten_ ? |
| 20:11.15 | morten_ | October. quite early, thinking of how delayed gta 1 was. |
| 20:12.47 | marsan | true.. |
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| 20:14.41 | morten_ | Sorry to change the topic but: I've made a software keyboard to the moko. How do I simulate keypresses? in linux (openmoko) I've done all the gui, layout things, i only need to hook the keyboard |
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| 20:16.11 | firetruuh | http://geekouzouille.antiville.fr/ |
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| 20:17.57 | mmp | morten_: maybe sources of some other virtual keyboards will help a bit, e.g. gok, or something from handhelds.org ... |
| 20:18.01 | riot | How do i suppress the splash-screen? |
| 20:18.55 | morten_ | mmp, Yeah, i was actually thinking of the keyboard that's already on the neo? maybe that has waht i need? |
| 20:19.21 | mmp | morten_: maybe, I don't personally have neo, nor have seen the codebase:) |
| 20:19.38 | morten_ | mmp, same here, that's my problem |
| 20:20.27 | mwester | riot: command-line option, but it's easier to rename rcS.d/S00psplash to something not starting is "S"... |
| 20:20.48 | morten_ | If someone could find me the codebase of the input widget i could very likely use it, the problem is that i have NO whatsoever idea of where to get it |
| 20:20.53 | riot | i've just flashed a new image, which just doesn't boot completely |
| 20:21.04 | riot | the progress bar fills only the first half :( |
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| 20:22.13 | riot | oh, it boots! Second try always goes better |
| 20:26.37 | dcordes | riot: congratulation |
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| 20:28.30 | arhodes | hey peeps |
| 20:28.55 | awesomo4000 | is there anyone alive |
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| 20:30.25 | riot | dcordes: and hangs upon the last pixel. at least i can ssh into it now |
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| 20:33.23 | awesomo4000 | hello ? |
| 20:33.23 | aloril | awesomo4000: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 20:34.00 | awesomo4000 | anyone doing development with debian 4.0 ? |
| 20:34.33 | cesarb | Cool, the engineering mode together with a table I found on wikipedia tells me my carries uses GSM1800 (I can see channel 885 nearby) |
| 20:34.38 | cesarb | s/carries/carrier/ |
| 20:35.16 | Writchie | cesarb: that expains why it works |
| 20:35.30 | awesomo4000 | can anyone see this message ? |
| 20:35.33 | Writchie | IIRC different parts of brazil use european band |
| 20:35.37 | Vegar | awesomo4000: no, we can't |
| 20:35.41 | awesomo4000 | :) |
| 20:35.57 | Writchie | triband phone is different 3 bands depending on where the phone is marketed. |
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| 20:36.35 | awesomo4000 | i'm setting up a debian install under parallels on mac and i have a neo1973 .. just wanted to make sure its the same as everyone elses |
| 20:36.56 | awesomo4000 | is the buildhost for openmoko releases on debian 3.1 ? |
| 20:37.47 | dcordes | riot: my zaurus-angstrom-moko is doing great :D |
| 20:38.15 | awesomo4000 | will i have trouble with debian 4.0 trying to build for my neo1973 ? |
| 20:38.24 | dcordes | no |
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| 20:38.58 | cesarb | Writchie: the only other option would be the 850 band, which both my carrier has (it uses TDMA/AMPS on that band) and the other carrier has (also AMPS, now GSM on that band... perhaps also CDMA on that band, might be on another band...) |
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| 20:39.03 | Tyrael | Hi all. What gstreamer modules should I install to use mediaplayer? |
| 20:39.03 | thomasg | awesomo4000, yes/no/maybe/wth |
| 20:39.19 | cesarb | Writchie: (the other two carriers have always been GSM, probably on 1800 or 1900) |
| 20:39.31 | awesomo4000 | sarge (3.1) should be no trouble though right ? |
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| 20:42.24 | Writchie | I believe that all 4 GSM bands are in use in brazil |
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| 20:43.26 | cesarb | Writchie: no, AFAIK 900 isn't |
| 20:44.00 | cesarb | Writchie: yeah, all four are used :P |
| 20:44.28 | cesarb | Writchie: see http://www.teleco.com.br/Bandac.asp and http://www.teleco.com.br/Bandac_ext.asp for the gory (and nearly undecipherable) details |
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| 20:45.02 | dcordes | are there any compact flash cards that are usable with gsmd? |
| 20:45.05 | cesarb | Writchie: ah, it's _1900_ which isn't used. I knew there was one not used ;-) |
| 20:45.22 | Writchie | 1900 i think is reserved for UMTS |
| 20:45.43 | cesarb | Writchie: we don't have UMTS yet AFAIK... |
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| 20:46.24 | Writchie | no but its planned |
| 20:46.39 | cesarb | Writchie: http://www.teleco.com.br/3g_brasil.asp has the details... does that look like it's using 1900 or 2100? |
| 20:46.41 | Writchie | reserving the whole band for UMTS should provide better service |
| 20:47.28 | cesarb | Writchie: well, the whole band is being split in four parts, so we can have four carriers... that if I'm reading that page right |
| 20:47.29 | Writchie | looks like two bands |
| 20:48.26 | cesarb | meh, the GSM frequency spectrum here in Brazil is a crazy patchwork mess |
| 20:48.48 | Writchie | well at least you have spectrum, unlike the US |
| 20:49.18 | cesarb | we have AMPS, TDMA, CDMA, and now UMTS, the frequency bands are split on a lot of subbands, and each region on Brazil has a different allocation of bands to the carriers |
| 20:49.46 | Writchie | and GSM |
| 20:49.48 | cesarb | And also, almost none of the carriers has coverage to the whole country (IIRC that's TIM's main selling point; it does have coverage in all the states) |
| 20:50.00 | cesarb | Writchie: and GSM... 5 technologies total |
| 20:50.41 | cesarb | But only people with old handsets still use AMPS and TDMA, and IIRC both are going away (IIRC AMPS coverage will not be required anymore either this year or next year...) |
| 20:50.42 | Writchie | we actually AFIK have the same, except that I think AMPS is finally dead |
| 20:51.09 | cesarb | AMPS and TDMA is cloning city, which is why I think it's great we are moving away from them |
| 20:51.10 | Writchie | but WiMAX adds another incompatible mess |
| 20:51.30 | cesarb | http://www.teleco.com.br/comentario/com188.asp <- cool band allocation graph |
| 20:52.41 | Writchie | IMHO the only succuessful policy is requiring all operators to comply with a standard and monopolistic practices like the tie-in of handsets to networks. |
| 20:53.16 | Writchie | There is no real competition if the operators use incompatible technologies which is what they have maneuvered for themselves in the US |
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| 20:54.21 | hhf423 | re |
| 20:54.27 | cesarb | Writchie: well, around here so far we only have two winning technologies (CDMA and GSM), and the CDMA carrier seems to have noticed they painted themselves into a corner and are moving to GSM |
| 20:55.07 | cesarb | Writchie: one of the carriers (Oi IIRC) started for some random reason providing unlocked phones, and made a big marketing campaign about it |
| 20:55.50 | cesarb | Writchie: the ad is on every single bus stop you look |
| 20:55.50 | cesarb | Writchie: TIM IIRC always had a policy where you can unlock the phone after some time or payment... |
| 20:56.24 | cesarb | The worst one is the CDMA one (Vivo), which is the only one who sells "defeatured" phones (things like locking bluetooth) |
| 20:56.27 | Writchie | with GSM it hard to keep the phone unlocked from an educated population and it usually backfires. |
| 20:56.59 | Writchie | But the non-GSM handsets just aren't going to work because the networks are incompatible |
| 20:57.16 | Writchie | the US carriers de-featured their GSM phones as well |
| 20:57.25 | Writchie | they don't to support anything |
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| 21:00.43 | Writchie | cesarb: did you get the EM 2 data only after you registered? |
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| 21:01.51 | cesarb | Writchie: no, in fact I forgot to register and even then I received... but with the SIM, I don't recall if I tried without the SIM |
| 21:02.27 | Writchie | I'm very confused why the AT+COPS=? doesn't work without registration |
| 21:02.34 | Writchie | it's necessary for emergency calling |
| 21:02.52 | Writchie | could be an interaction with the SIM |
| 21:03.29 | cesarb | Writchie: I powered off then on ("o" and "O"), but did not do the "r"... now let's see if AT+COPS=? work (still with the SIM) |
| 21:03.55 | cesarb | Writchie: it auto registered, AND gsmd crashed :( |
| 21:04.13 | Writchie | which is why i don't waste much time with gsmd |
| 21:04.32 | cesarb | Writchie: you know I didn't manage to make cu behave :( |
| 21:04.55 | Writchie | i'll have to try it on a later kernel |
| 21:05.35 | Writchie | I have two devices, and i'm keeping one on the original OM2007.1 kernel because that is known working up to a stable point with the modem. |
| 21:06.08 | hhf423 | the latest kernel i am quite happy with, as bt now works mostly |
| 21:06.11 | Writchie | the other i've loadded with various OM2007.2 but they regress |
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| 21:06.21 | Writchie | hhf423: which one is that? |
| 21:06.48 | hhf423 | see my latest entry in p1 testing |
| 21:07.06 | Writchie | i'm not very happy if I don't have a source code base that matches the binary |
| 21:07.26 | Writchie | how can you debug anything if you don't know what source is in the build |
| 21:07.26 | hhf423 | oh, doesnt? |
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| 21:08.22 | hhf423 | sure, but then i do not debug, i only test ;-) |
| 21:09.23 | Writchie | forward progress is going to remain difficult until there is a matchup of code base and binaries |
| 21:09.44 | Writchie | it still looks to me like trying to change tires while the car is rolling down the road |
| 21:10.05 | hhf423 | and i sooo want gsmd to work |
| 21:10.30 | cesarb | Writchie: now booting without the SIM, let's see what EM says |
| 21:10.57 | Writchie | hhf423: i am too, but I fear it is already hacked to unusability |
| 21:11.28 | hhf423 | probably |
| 21:11.31 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2897 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-battery/ (11 files in 3 dirs): openmoko-panel-battery: Precalculate images to make scaling easier. Catch up with libmokopanelui2 |
| 21:11.49 | Writchie | it's not realistic to support multiple phones with different architectures when you don't even have a defined API |
| 21:12.10 | hhf423 | yes, unlikely |
| 21:12.44 | Writchie | i hope to be able to fix some these shortcomings in the next week - if I can get to a reasonably stable code base. |
| 21:13.20 | Writchie | BT is still using glib? |
| 21:13.47 | cesarb | Writchie: AT%EM works without the SIM, and seems to be seeing only the SIM's operator (probably a cached value) |
| 21:14.09 | hhf423 | bt is bluez, do not know what that uses |
| 21:14.39 | Writchie | last I looked it uses glib but there was talk of moving to native C interface to dbus |
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| 21:15.23 | hhf423 | agsm phone without sim will still be able to make emergency calls |
| 21:16.18 | cesarb | Writchie: AT+COPS=? without the SIM says +CME ERROR: 13 |
| 21:16.29 | cesarb | Writchie: which the manual says is "SIM failure" |
| 21:16.40 | Writchie | i think its a bug |
| 21:17.00 | Writchie | i need to try to find some of my old sim cards |
| 21:17.15 | Writchie | there must be a way to implement the typical "Select Network" |
| 21:17.18 | SpeedEvil | Slight problem. |
| 21:17.28 | SpeedEvil | That AT%EM docs site is now passworded |
| 21:17.30 | cesarb | Writchie: well, it does return a signal strength (AT+CSQ) |
| 21:17.38 | hhf423 | take care, old sim cards could be 5v |
| 21:17.39 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: what you say??? |
| 21:17.57 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: I was afraid that would happen if I opened by big mouth. |
| 21:18.16 | SpeedEvil | And I was looking to see if the signal strength is in the %EM2,3 response |
| 21:18.20 | cesarb | Writchie: it's possible that it's simply latching to the strongest signal, which happens to be the same from my carrier (the antenna is like directly in front of my window) |
| 21:18.52 | Writchie | cesarb: It's a scan function that has to take place on all bands. |
| 21:18.55 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: fourth line |
| 21:19.14 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: two lines above the cell ID |
| 21:19.32 | SpeedEvil | Ah - k. |
| 21:19.59 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: rxlev_nc ("Receive Field Strength") |
| 21:20.10 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: my experiments show the highest one is the one which will be chosen |
| 21:20.12 | SpeedEvil | found it (locally) |
| 21:20.22 | SpeedEvil | I tried today to do a nice graph. |
| 21:20.39 | SpeedEvil | However, it diddn't work - as I lost GPS. |
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| 21:21.02 | SpeedEvil | I was trying to correlate them. |
| 21:21.45 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: btw, AT%EM=? shows it also accepts another value for the first field... which isn't in the documentation |
| 21:21.59 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: might be risky (setting strange parameters), but I wonder what's in there |
| 21:23.52 | SpeedEvil | I just wish I could get cell names. |
| 21:24.03 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: cell names? |
| 21:24.05 | SpeedEvil | But as I understand they are only from cell broadcasts, ... |
| 21:24.09 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: ah |
| 21:24.18 | SpeedEvil | Textual equivalents of the cell-number |
| 21:24.43 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: http://www.enfora.com/index.cgi?CONTENT_ID=283&User:LANGUAGE=en <- is still working for me |
| 21:24.51 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: isn't the cell id and LAC enough? |
| 21:25.33 | SpeedEvil | To an extent. |
| 21:25.43 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: BTW, cell IDs and LAC on at least my carrier have an interesting structure (which I found out some years ago) |
| 21:25.46 | SpeedEvil | However, the cell name may give hints as to the actual location. |
| 21:26.22 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the cell ID has the format "side" (1 digit) "cell" (2 digits) "area" (2 digits) (names are mine) |
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| 21:26.40 | SpeedEvil | in decimal? |
| 21:26.41 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: and the area id has "area" (?? digits) and "area code" (2 digits) |
| 21:26.45 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: yep, decimal |
| 21:27.01 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: since a mast will never have more than 6 sides (0-5), it all fits nicely |
| 21:27.20 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I wrote a silly J2ME app for my razr which shows the cell ID |
| 21:27.47 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it was quite interesting once when the bus did a curve all the way around a mast |
| 21:27.55 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the first digit changing, the other ones not changing |
| 21:28.36 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: also, what I'm calling the cell ID "area" doesn't change as often as what I'm calling the "cell", since it seems to indicate a group of nearby (or logically grouped) cells |
| 21:29.03 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the Rio-NiterĂ³i bridge, for instance, has at least 3 cells, with cell IDs 1xx, 2xx, 3xx |
| 21:29.08 | SpeedEvil | I assume cell IDs repeat nationally. |
| 21:29.16 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: take a look at your data and see if it has a similar structure |
| 21:29.37 | SpeedEvil | I've only got some 88 sites logged. |
| 21:29.53 | SpeedEvil | I want to integrate it with GPS |
| 21:30.30 | cesarb | damn |
| 21:30.53 | Writchie | cesarb: each cell should normally be associated with 3 towers. |
| 21:31.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 791 has been created by joseph(AT)pfeifferfamily.net |
| 21:31.01 | cdbot2 | * * webkit-gtk won't link |
| 21:31.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=791 |
| 21:31.13 | cesarb | I had been noticing my razr's battery compartment was having difficulty closing since some months... |
| 21:31.21 | cesarb | just noticed the cause |
| 21:31.28 | cesarb | THE BATTERY GOT FAT |
| 21:31.32 | Writchie | if you drive around the tower you should move into three different cells |
| 21:31.39 | cesarb | i.e. it's bulging |
| 21:31.47 | Writchie | cesarb: beware |
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| 21:32.11 | morten_ | cesarb, Are you telling us your battery is expanding? |
| 21:32.23 | Writchie | take the battery to where you got it and make them give you a new for free. |
| 21:32.28 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 21:32.49 | Stephmw | cell topology should be a whole field of mathematics |
| 21:33.10 | Writchie | it is ;) |
| 21:33.26 | morten_ | I wouldn't be surprised |
| 21:33.27 | Stephmw | you can have cells in other cells, non-radial cells, handoffs within a cell to migrate a receiver, etc |
| 21:33.37 | Writchie | overlays |
| 21:33.44 | dcordes | riot: you got my querry? |
| 21:33.52 | Stephmw | last I remember, agent swarms were used as part of the weighting |
| 21:34.16 | cesarb | morten_: yeah... it's been for some time, since I had been having difficulty closing the compartment... |
| 21:34.22 | cesarb | morten_: but only now I noticed |
| 21:34.40 | cesarb | Writchie: well, it came with my cell phone :P |
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| 21:35.03 | Writchie | so maybe moto is next to recall tens of millions of li-ion batteries |
| 21:35.16 | morten_ | cesarb, Ok, but it's not expanding as-we-speak, because then you should bury it in your garden as fast as you can spell moghadishu |
| 21:35.18 | SpeedEvil | (that'd be the internal wires) |
| 21:35.27 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: yeah but you've been abusing the thing |
| 21:35.39 | SpeedEvil | It's the current shunt wiring actually. |
| 21:35.48 | Writchie | and your 14 day warrantee is up |
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| 21:37.04 | Writchie | harold has added some nice things to u-boot, espeicaly for low level gsmd work |
| 21:37.11 | Writchie | s/harold/harald/ |
| 21:37.30 | SpeedEvil | What sort of stuff? |
| 21:37.43 | Writchie | access to different serial ports. |
| 21:37.56 | Writchie | see his blog on openmoko planet |
| 21:38.02 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 21:41.35 | rtyler | root@fic-gta01:~$ mono Hello.exe |
| 21:41.36 | rtyler | Hello Moko! |
| 21:41.36 | rtyler | root@fic-gta01:~$ |
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| 21:41.54 | Ghiottone | hi all |
| 21:41.57 | mickey|mdd | yay |
| 21:42.13 | rtyler | mickey|mdd: it was easy, cliff brake did all the hard work with the OE recipe |
| 21:42.19 | Stephmw | rtyler: infidel! |
| 21:42.40 | Ghiottone | what's happening? |
| 21:42.41 | rtyler | Stephmw: would you prefer: "java Hello.class" >_< |
| 21:42.52 | Stephmw | rtyler: tis already working, gui-level :) |
| 21:43.07 | Stephmw | rtyler: Swing's pretty much there iirc |
| 21:43.33 | rtyler | forget I said anything, I'd rather not get into a "OMFG JAVA VERZUS CSHARPZ" |
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| 21:44.31 | Ghiottone | did someone manage to port java to the neo? |
| 21:45.03 | Stephmw | there's already work in OE for this ;) |
| 21:45.12 | SpeedEvil | There is a special organisation doing it. |
| 21:45.15 | Stephmw | rtyler: you're just a sourgrape :) |
| 21:45.16 | SpeedEvil | Java Hut. |
| 21:45.39 | rtyler | SpeedEvil: Java in under thirty minutes delivered or it's free! :P |
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| 21:49.25 | Ghiottone | is there a way to deploy just some ipk packages in a separate directory? and then let bitbake create an additional Packages.gz for them? |
| 21:53.07 | mickey|mdd | you would need to change their PACKAGE_ARCH then |
| 21:54.34 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[Wish_List]] [[User:MTH]] |
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| 21:56.48 | Ghiottone | mmmm should a simple redefinition in the bb recipe be enough? |
| 21:57.10 | Ghiottone | I would like to use it to create a repository of my own packages and then put it online |
| 21:57.14 | dcordes | could somebody give me the URI from ipkg repo source list? |
| 21:58.25 | mickey|mdd | Ghiottone: changing package arch is insane then |
| 21:58.32 | mickey|mdd | just add a custom src/gz |
| 21:58.39 | mickey|mdd | bbiab, rebooting |
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| 22:06.50 | rwhitby | morning |
| 22:06.54 | rtyler | ahoy |
| 22:07.06 | andylockran | heya |
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| 22:14.12 | Ghiottone | dcordes, something like src/gz updates-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/all ? |
| 22:15.37 | dcordes | exactly thanks |
| 22:17.22 | cesarb | Now I have only two options... I can use the Neo as my primary phone (sooner than I wanted to), or I can borrow my parent's phone |
| 22:17.40 | cesarb | I'm not using the razr anymore until I get a new battery |
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| 22:18.23 | Ghiottone | dcordes, that is only one of the several files. you have to change all to armv4t and fic-gta01 also |
| 22:19.00 | Ghiottone | dcordes, for updates. for snapshot the lines are like src/gz snapshot-all http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/ipk/all |
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| 22:27.47 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, what do you mean by just add a custom src/gz? I want to create the repository so that then I can use a custom src/gz for ipkg update |
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| 22:28.21 | mickeyl | yeah, well why not uploading stuff to somewhere |
| 22:28.26 | mickeyl | creating a packages file |
| 22:28.33 | mickeyl | then adding this as a seperate feed source |
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| 22:29.14 | rtyler | hrm, I already don't like bitbake >_> |
| 22:29.16 | Writchie | wow - attempt to install windows drivers for u-boot serial = instant black screen of death - game over - no more live testing for me with USB neo. |
| 22:29.39 | rtyler | I can't find a place in the world where the actual "make" might be executed, let alone configure params |
| 22:29.56 | Stephmw | Writchie: ouch. can it work in vmware? |
| 22:30.10 | rtyler | something's causing this to package the monolite version which (sucks and) is too minimal |
| 22:30.12 | Writchie | i think vmware is funky with usb |
| 22:30.23 | Writchie | i'll have to dedicate a box to USB testing. |
| 22:30.44 | Writchie | i thougt something simple like serial port ACM would just work - silly me. |
| 22:31.01 | Stephmw | probably eventually |
| 22:31.30 | Writchie | it will have to - like or not this stuff will have to play nice with xp and vista to go mainstream |
| 22:31.50 | cesarb | Writchie: isn't uboot hacker-only? |
| 22:31.51 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: did you ever get a chance to measure things with the audio code/amp off? |
| 22:32.03 | cesarb | Writchie: what have to play with windows is linux usb, not uboot... |
| 22:32.07 | SpeedEvil | the LM???? chip - yes |
| 22:32.15 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: i'm getting not much over 24hrs battery life, i'm assuming it's the audio to blame |
| 22:32.21 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: yeah, how did you power it off? |
| 22:32.24 | SpeedEvil | it measures about 0 - when turned off, with that set in alsamixer on 'off' |
| 22:32.28 | cesarb | cw666: set the mixer "Amp Mode" to "Off" |
| 22:32.30 | SpeedEvil | 'amp-mode' in alsamixer |
| 22:32.33 | SpeedEvil | turn it to off |
| 22:32.42 | SpeedEvil | Also send the modem at@poff |
| 22:32.48 | SpeedEvil | to turn that off. |
| 22:32.54 | cw666 | no, i need modem on :-) |
| 22:32.59 | cw666 | im trying to use it as a phone |
| 22:33.00 | cesarb | cw666: there's a patch somewhere which automatically turns it off on suspend or shutdown |
| 22:33.06 | Writchie | cesarb: Ideally you would not need to touch u-boot |
| 22:33.23 | cw666 | carrar: ah ok, any idea where or what the subject might be? |
| 22:33.33 | Writchie | cesarb: but sometimes the u-boot environment might have to be fiddled. |
| 22:33.52 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: basically i get little more than a day as a phone, im aiming for a lot more and wondering what else i should be checking |
| 22:33.59 | cesarb | Writchie: isn't fiddling with the uboot environment, again, hacker-only? |
| 22:34.21 | Writchie | cesarb: think - how does the user unbrick the device |
| 22:34.43 | Writchie | i'm thinking an SD card based install |
| 22:34.46 | cesarb | Writchie: the user should not be able to brick it |
| 22:34.57 | cesarb | Writchie: unless the user is already using hacker-only things |
| 22:35.19 | cw666 | some end-users will smash uboot, there is probably no way to avoid it |
| 22:35.26 | cesarb | Writchie: upgrades should be made from within linux (ipk plus dd to the kernel partition) |
| 22:35.35 | Writchie | cesarb: if you have to upgrade u-boot and power fails you may brick it. |
| 22:36.03 | rtyler | mickeyl, cesarb: either of you know any good bitbake tutorials, or maybe documents explaining wtf is actually happening in do_compile when the .bb doesn't explicitly set it up? :P |
| 22:36.34 | cesarb | rtyler: check the inherits (base.bbclass is implicitly inherited) |
| 22:36.42 | cesarb | rtyler: (some other inherits also come from elsewhere) |
| 22:36.44 | Writchie | if the linux system is borked, you can use it upgrade - you need a baseline installer of some kind compatible with the u-boot in the device. |
| 22:37.43 | Writchie | cesarb: ideally a small initrd and not dependant on the current flash. |
| 22:38.10 | mickeyl | rtyler: read base.bbclass |
| 22:38.12 | Writchie | except for u-boot |
| 22:39.08 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, yeah! but how do I create a Packages.gz? |
| 22:39.27 | mickeyl | Ghiottone: check what bitbake package-index does |
| 22:40.08 | rtyler | hrm, 2007.2 has some killer UI-stability problems, I can't use it for more than 5 minutes before Today crashes and I see the splash screen again |
| 22:40.18 | rtyler | mickeyl: ZOMG ZOMG PLZ FIX KTHX :p |
| 22:41.00 | mickeyl | rtyler: sounds like your hardware is broken |
| 22:41.07 | mickeyl | it works very stable here |
| 22:41.11 | mickeyl | you upgraded uboot? |
| 22:41.30 | rtyler | no, just uImage and rootfs, should I upgrade uboot as well? |
| 22:41.34 | mickeyl | well |
| 22:41.40 | mickeyl | doesn't anyone read my release notes? |
| 22:41.44 | cesarb | mickey: if I actually use the GUI, it ends up crashing quite easily |
| 22:41.59 | cesarb | mickeyl: and I have the 2007.2 uboot |
| 22:42.02 | mickeyl | can't say anything except that it's really stable here |
| 22:42.04 | rtyler | mickeyl: I usually only catch things on the mailing lists and the planet |
| 22:42.24 | mickeyl | but since most people are building their own images, i have a hard time reproducing problems |
| 22:43.03 | cesarb | mickeyl: the crashing GUI is not the most important problem, however... it's the crashing gsmd which is very annoying |
| 22:43.26 | mmazur | mickeyl, what release notes? ;) |
| 22:43.36 | cesarb | mickeyl: that, and the fact that it never works without init.d hacking (because the dialer thinks it's fun to send AT+CFUN=1 and AT+COPS=0 back-to-back) |
| 22:43.46 | Writchie | mickeyl: there doesn't appear to any u-boot built in the om2007.2 build |
| 22:43.55 | mickeyl | well |
| 22:44.00 | mickeyl | really, no one |
| 22:44.10 | mickeyl | is supposed to use om2007.2 stuff |
| 22:44.11 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, you mean that I should just call rootfs_ipk_do_rootfs after setting IMAGE_ROOTFS to my own path? |
| 22:44.13 | mickeyl | that is not even tested |
| 22:44.18 | mickeyl | please stick to the snapshots for now |
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| 22:44.30 | mickeyl | Ghiottone: uhm... or use ipkg-make-index directly |
| 22:44.33 | mickeyl | from ipkg-utils-native |
| 22:44.36 | thomasg | the august 29th image (self built) with updated u-boot works good for me and very stable - even gsmd doesn't work per guy, but thats not new for me :) |
| 22:44.42 | thomasg | %s/guy/gui |
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| 22:45.29 | Ghiottone | mickeyl, oh that is not even mentioned in package-index.bb or its included class. thanks! |
| 22:45.34 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:45.40 | thomasg | mickeyl, but switching to i686 made me running into a bunch of new problems :) |
| 22:45.41 | Writchie | thomasg: when you say "updated u-boot" do you mean a u-boot built from the OM2007.2 build or some a u-boot from somewhere else. |
| 22:45.59 | mickeyl | mwester: binary incompatible? |
| 22:46.11 | thomasg | Writchie, as I use 2007.2 for a month now and I said self-built, that's what I meant :) |
| 22:46.15 | mwester | .2 changed to eabi, no? |
| 22:46.28 | mickeyl | mwester: yes. and OM 2007.08 is the first official snapshot w/ EABI |
| 22:47.13 | mickeyl | anyways, i need to wake up in 4 hours. need to sleep |
| 22:47.14 | mickeyl | g'nihgt |
| 22:47.43 | rtyler | hrm, does MokoMakefile not build u-boot by default/ |
| 22:47.55 | cesarb | rtyler: apparently, no |
| 22:48.09 | rtyler | d'oh |
| 22:48.12 | cesarb | rtyler: and I don't know the package name for it either (I think I saw something with its name changing) |
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| 22:49.33 | cw666 | rtyler: if does for me |
| 22:49.36 | cw666 | or did the other day |
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| 22:51.25 | Ghiottone | nite all |
| 22:52.45 | rtyler | u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native maybe? |
| 22:52.45 | rwhitby | I will make mokomakefile build u-boot later today |
| 22:53.01 | rtyler | rwhitby: cool, will you ping me when you do? :D |
| 22:53.09 | Writchie | rwhitby: thank you |
| 22:53.14 | rwhitby | you'll see the commit message here |
| 22:53.38 | rwhitby | or subscribe to http://cia.vc/stats/project/openmoko/.rss |
| 22:53.44 | Writchie | rwhitby: note harald has just committed a bunch of changes to u-boot |
| 22:54.00 | Writchie | i'm not sure how well tested they are |
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| 22:55.32 | rtyler | aw man, we totally gotta do something about that startup sound :P |
| 22:57.18 | cw666 | rwhitby: what was the solution wrt to compiler blowing up? |
| 22:57.26 | cw666 | rwhitby: patch out the change that was to blame? |
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