IRC log for #openmoko on 20070831

00:00.17SpeedEvils/D/G/
00:00.55Writchiei'd settle for EDGE
00:01.53xaidI'm trying to get OpenMoko working using the Qemu guide and I'm running into a small issue where I get a kernel panic when I try to boot the newly built image, something regarding a missing libm.so.6. I have libm.so in my /usr/lib and I was wondering if there is a way to get this working without creating a symlink :)
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00:05.23xaidah, nevermind. its been a long day :)
00:09.14cesarbxaid: if the error is within the emulated image, it has no relationship with libm.so outside the emulated image...
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00:16.01xaidcesarb: I realised that after I wrote it down. I think I know what the problem is, I'm running a hardened Gentoo toolchain and I see PaX errors being logged during 'make qemu'.
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00:16.24xaidopenmoko/flash.sh: line 88: 24296 Terminated              ( sleep $2; kill $pid; sleep 1; kill -KILL $pid )
00:16.28cesarbxaid: gentoo. always gentoo.
00:16.46cesarbxaid: it seems everyone who has problems compiling qemu is using gentoo
00:16.58xaidcesarb: lol, I'm pretty sure it'd be smooth if I was running the non-hardened toolchain.
00:17.44xaidcesarb: I'll compile a non-PaX'ed kernel and give it a go. it should take 5 minutes :)
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00:18.26xaidthere are a few modifications that I had to do to get it working on Gentoo though since the paths for certain binaries are different
00:19.20cesarbxaid: the most common problem with gentoo is that qemu's autodetection of gcc-3.x fails (i.e. it cannot use gcc 3.x while the rest was compiled with 4.x)
00:20.00cesarbxaid: and then people say "ok, let's just make the whole system use gcc 3.x" (gcc-config IIRC, it's been a while since I last used gentoo), and then they have problems because some things aren't quite as tested with gcc 3.x...
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00:21.16xaidcesarb: I'm actually using gcc 3.4 here on a system-wide scale since gcc-4.x is not hardened-friendly yet. I guess it'll be interesting on reboot to see if I can get a successful qemu image up and running.
00:24.12cesarbSpeedEvil: found what I was looking for. Could you try setting the "Amp Mode" mixer to -5 (to which the kernel will add 5 to get to mode 0, which is the shutdown mode), and doing your current-measuring dance?
00:24.27cesarbSpeedEvil: try also playing with the "Amp Fast Wakeup Playback Switch" one, should be a boolean
00:25.23SpeedEvilI could.
00:26.18cesarbSpeedEvil: I'm not seeing any reboot notifier or something like that which would set it to 0 (shutdown, visible to userspace as -5) when rebooting or powering off
00:26.25cesarbSpeedEvil: which would nicely explain the symptoms
00:26.29SpeedEvilindeed.
00:28.12cesarbSpeedEvil: _if_ you manage to set that control to minus five...
00:28.24cesarbSpeedEvil: the alsa state file I'm looking at says it's ENUMERATED
00:28.30cesarbSpeedEvil: from 0 to 4
00:29.54cesarbSpeedEvil: the enumeration values match precisely with the mode table, modes 5 to 9...
00:30.35cesarbSpeedEvil: mode 5 is "mono line out"... the alsa state file comment says "off"...
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00:31.31rtyleraw damnit, the latest kernel fails
00:31.40rtyleron the netfilter module AFAIK
00:31.46rtylerNOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 2992 tasks of which 2923 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed.ERROR: '/home/tyler/source/openmoko/openembedded/packages/linux/linux-gta01_2.6.22.5.bb' failed
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00:33.57SpeedEvilok - amp mode current if it truly turns off should be visible with the system on
00:34.30cesarbSpeedEvil: just noticed I misread the code, you should set it to 0 (text should say "off"), it only adds 5 for the other 4 modes
00:35.19cesarbSpeedEvil: (so, what we should try is setting "Amp Mode" to 0/Off, and playing with "Amp Fast Wakeup Playback Switch" to see if it makes any difference)
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00:36.16cesarbSpeedEvil: if it works, a quick-and-dirty script on the shutdown path to turn it off would workaround the issue, and it could be used by the UI too when nothing is playing
00:37.12cesarbSpeedEvil: the right solution would be, however, to add a notifier to the kernel so it would turn if off when shutting down (or rebooting - IIRC the notifier path is the same)
00:39.09SpeedEvilrunning.
00:39.21SpeedEvilAmp mode 'off' reduces power use by some 10-15mA
00:39.32SpeedEvilsome of the amp modes use more power than others
00:40.08SpeedEvil'call speaker' is the cheapest at 8mA or so
00:40.25cesarbSpeedEvil: cool, isn't 10-15mA near what you saw with the AP and GSM off?
00:41.11cesarbSpeedEvil: isn't very surprising, since "call speaker" is the only one which is mono
00:41.33SpeedEvilWhee!
00:41.47cesarbSpeedEvil: try playing with "Amp Earpiece 6dB Playback Switch"
00:41.49SpeedEvilI can't measure current after shutdown -h
00:41.59cesarbSpeedEvil: it should make a difference when in the "call speaker" mode
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00:42.08SpeedEvilWhich means that it's below .1mV across a 1.2 ohm resistor
00:42.11cesarbSpeedEvil: (and only in that mode)
00:42.31SpeedEvilActually - it shouldn't make a difference unless you're playing audio on it
00:42.54SpeedEvilSo under a hundred microamps
00:42.57cesarbSpeedEvil: the "Amp Fast Wakeup Playback Switch", on the other hand, I couldn't find on the datasheet which difference it makes... (perhaps for off->on transitions?)
00:43.22SpeedEvilDunno. Maybe.
00:43.24SpeedEvilAnyway.
00:43.26cesarbSpeedEvil: "Amp Earpiece 6dB Playback Switch" seems to change the gain
00:43.36SpeedEvilgain does not equate to power use.
00:43.43SpeedEvilit means it's louder when it's playing
00:43.59cesarbSpeedEvil: well, now if with "Amp Mode" off, and GSM off, and a shutdown, I wonder how little it should drain...
00:44.02SpeedEvilit does not mean that it uses more current when silent.
00:44.09cesarbSpeedEvil: makes sense
00:44.16SpeedEvilUnder 100uA
00:44.30cesarbSpeedEvil: below what you can measure?
00:44.34SpeedEvilyes.
00:44.39cesarbSpeedEvil: w00t!
00:44.50SpeedEvilIndeed. Now going to try leaving the modem on
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00:49.54SpeedEvilAnnoyingly, crashed - resistor value is too high and it brownouts on transmit.
00:49.58SpeedEvilretrying
00:50.47cesarbSpeedEvil: 1.2ohm is too high?
00:52.21cesarbSpeedEvil: I'm reporting the bug on bugzilla, now that we know it does make a difference...
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00:56.12SpeedEvilWell - it's trivial to fix at least basically
00:56.26SpeedEvilstuff a alsactl line in the poweroff script
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00:57.11SpeedEvilyes - the absolute power peaks are something like 900mA maybe.
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00:57.28SpeedEvilOR maybe my wires are loose.
00:57.34SpeedEvilAnyway, the interesting numbers.
00:58.05SpeedEvilIn echo mem >/sys/power/state - with amp off and modem on, the numbers are 50mA or so.
00:58.31SpeedEvilIn shutdown, with modem on, they are 15mA
00:58.57SpeedEvilSo for the near-term at least, that means a standby of 24h or so.
00:59.09SpeedEvilwhich isn't terribly great, but not completely hideous.
00:59.40SpeedEvilroh: under 100uA drain with @poff and with 'amp mode' in alsamixer to 0.
00:59.47SpeedEvilroh: under 100uA drain with @poff and with 'amp mode' in alsamixer to off.
01:00.52SpeedEvilAnd somewhere over 3 days, with the modem on, and some hypothetical fast-wake mechanism.
01:01.52cesarbBug 781 Submitted
01:02.01cdbot2* * OM Bug 781 has been created by cesarb(AT)cesarb.net
01:02.02cdbot2* * LM4857 should be turned off on a reboot notifier
01:02.03cdbot2* * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=781
01:02.34SpeedEvilThe suspend-RAM number is _way_ too high for some reason.
01:02.49SpeedEvilAs I understand it, it should be on the order of a milliamp.
01:03.12cesarbSpeedEvil: well, I'd suspect the OTHER sound chip, the one which would be turned off by the PMU on a normal shutdown...
01:03.29SpeedEvilHmm.
01:03.32cesarbSpeedEvil: as well as the other dozens of random milimiter-sized chips littering the board
01:04.53SpeedEvilAnd then there is the SC* config itself.
01:06.12cesarbSpeedEvil: yeah, but that one is too scary
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01:11.39SpeedEvilWhat would be really nice would be to be able to setup the ROM in the SC* chip right.
01:11.44SpeedEvilBut that's expensive.
01:12.02cesarbSpeedEvil: urgh, this codec has FOUR power control registers, plus a ridiculously high number of special "low power" mode settings
01:12.06SpeedEvilI'd imagine you'd need to buy >100K
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01:14.56cesarbSpeedEvil: found the "magic setting" for the wm* driver... you have to put it on D3cold
01:15.20cesarbSpeedEvil: (perhaps you also have to disable a few dozen mixer switches... I hope not)
01:15.53cesarbSpeedEvil: but it seems it is already done on suspend...
01:15.58SpeedEvilI wonder...
01:16.11SpeedEvilThe number for suspend-RAM is just about bang on 'idle' mode of the CPU.
01:16.51SpeedEvilIt says 124mW typ - which is 30mAish.
01:17.21SpeedEvilwhich is about what I measure (well, would be with the modem off)
01:18.13cesarbSpeedEvil: well, if you can find the right /sys/... directory for the wm* chip, and find the power control file within it, and echo the correct magic value to it to make it suspend/resume, you might be able to measure the codec's contribution to the power use
01:19.12cesarbgtg bbl
01:23.49SpeedEvilthere is no power control file for most stuff
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01:35.55wotchaaccount list
01:36.08wotchaoops sorry
01:49.48aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management]]
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01:56.14rwhitbycw666: mtr fails to build for me
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02:03.33SpeedEvilroh: Should  STBY_1V8 - generated by d3reg -really be set at 2.1V? this seems outside the 1.8V+-0.15 that I see in the datasheet.
02:05.43technilrwhitby, cw666 : mtd-utils-native?
02:05.51techniloh sorry mtr
02:05.54technilnm
02:06.25cesarbtechnil: I saw a change today on OE which probably means mtd-utils-native has been fixed
02:09.46BryceLeoanyone in here happy to know python and use the gtkmozembed?
02:10.55BryceLeos/happy/happen/g
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02:54.49xaidcesarb: it is working. I had to delete the content of my 'images' directory and after it redownloaded the images and built everything again, things are loading correctly now (albiet slow)..
02:56.04xaidcesarb: I should be able to use the mouse to click and launch applications, right? nothing seems to happen when I click on the contacts icon or so.
02:57.28cesarbxaid: it's broken on 2007.2
02:57.49cesarbxaid: it's said there's a specific sequence of clicks on specific locations which allow you to get to the terminal
02:57.59cesarbxaid: where you can simply run the screen calibration tool to fix it
02:58.18cesarbxaid: I heard the trick is to realize the screen is in fact rotated
02:58.52xaidcesarb: thanks for the tip :)
02:59.41cesarbxaid: if you try hard enough you can find places where people discussed the tricks... perhaps on the mailing lists, perhaps on the wiki, perhaps on the irc logs... I don't recall where I heard of such tricks
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03:01.20xaidcesarb: the best link I found was at http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2007/08/calibrating-openmoko-v20072.html
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03:21.10anthony_should i use ipkg with a GTA01b4 phone?
03:22.49AriaWorks for me.
03:27.49anthony_so i'm confused... will it benefit me to use ipkg or is there really no need for it with a GTA01b4 phone
03:28.49AriaIt lets you update your software.
03:28.51AriaThat's always pleasant.
03:29.12anthony_ok thank you
03:29.16workaphobiaI'm faced with finding a new portable ogg player. Do you think I can realistically use the neo for that, or will the battery life or sound quality not be up to par?
03:29.58AriaBattery life is gonna suck.
03:30.02AriaIt has no separate audio DSP
03:31.48cesarbAria: actually, people have been experimenting
03:31.57cesarbAria: it's not as sucky as you would expect
03:32.13AriaStruth. It'll last some hours.
03:34.51SpeedEvil10 hours looks plausible.
03:36.18anthony_how do i download ipkg, im completly confused... am i supposed top download 'Familiar'
03:37.03AriaLog into your phone.
03:37.05Ariatype ipkg update
03:37.09Ariathen ipkg upgrade
03:37.13Ariaor ipkg install packagename
03:38.03rwhitbyanthony_: ipkg is a tool (like 'rm' or 'cat') which is already installed on the phone.
03:38.13anthony_oh ok
03:38.22rwhitbyThe Familiar linux distribution uses ipkg.  So does OpenMoko.  So does nslu2-linux.
03:38.37rwhitbySo does Angstrom
03:38.49rwhitbythink of it like 'dpkg' or 'yum'
03:39.27anthony_so how would i get to where i can type ipkg update.... ive only been using linux for like 2 months... so yeah im horrible with it
03:39.48rwhitbyssh into the phone, or use the terminal on the phone
03:39.48xaidanthony_: use the terminal that is on the phone.
03:40.09anthony_that clears up lots
03:40.24workaphobiaso I guess I'll want to get a replacement player. Ok, thanks.
03:40.26sagacis<PROTECTED>
03:40.31workaphobia(still getting the neo for sure though ;) )
03:40.53sagacisrwhitby: The section had an apt-get list for dependencies that we seem to have lost
03:41.26rwhitbyanthony_: (BTW, if you've only been using linux for 2 months, then you will need to climb that learning curve steeply before you will reach the level that is assumed of the developers to which the P1 developer release was targetted)
03:41.42rwhitbysagacis: it should be in the OEAndYourDistro page on the OE wiki
03:41.54sagacisOK, I'll look there.  Thanks
03:42.03anthony_haha oh god i know .... im kinda regretting buying it
03:42.08anthony_but its neat
03:42.17rwhitbysagacis: (the MokoMakefile page says to go and do those steps first)
03:42.21anthony_and im learning a lot
03:43.38rwhitbyanthony_: ok.  I would give some advice that you will want to run linux on a Ubuntu desktop as well, and get some books to learn the linux command line.  If you start asking lots of basic linux user questions in this channel there's a good chance you will start to irritate people :-)
03:44.26rwhitbyif you're someone who's keen to climb that learning curve, then you'll have a lot of fun doing so.
03:45.11rwhitby(replace 'Ubuntu' with your favourite linux desktop distro if you like in the above statement)
03:45.14sagacisrwhitby: Yes it does.  However, help2man seems to be missing from the OEAndYourDistro page.  
03:45.25rwhitbysagacis: please add it then
03:45.28anthony_im using ubuntu its real nice and i like a lot.... and yes i know this is like the second time asking anything... i try to figure things out my own i swear
03:45.34sagacisrwhitby: Doing just that ;-)
03:45.39rwhitbysagacis: thx
03:45.45rwhitbyanthony_: good deal
03:48.43jaebird_sagacis: texi2html is needed also
03:50.08aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Contacts/2007.2]] [[User:Davioh]] [[Talk:Wish_List]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Cleveland]] [[Hammerhead/Protocol]]
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04:05.48anthony_ok i feel real dumb asking this but i cant seem to find the keyboard to type on the terminal... in 2007.2
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04:06.55ajmitchutilities, input manager
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04:07.09ajmitchin the 'today' application
04:07.32ajmitchthough it may still kick you to the calculator app, just to be special
04:07.50ajmitchwhich means you would need to pick input manager from the dropdown list of all apps
04:07.56ajmitchrwhitby: excellent!
04:08.21sagacisrwhitby: I've been having reduced luck with the gsmd restart lately.
04:08.30rwhitbywell, reliable means three boots in a row so far ...
04:08.31anthony_awesome thank you so much
04:08.31sagacisI just updated my device, so maybe it will be better.
04:08.35sagacisheh
04:09.09ajmitchI wouldn't mind being able to make a phone call for the first time from the dialer :)
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04:09.13sagacisrwhitby: Also, I can't seem to edit the OEAndYourDistro wiki page.  There doesn't seem to be anywhere for me to create a login, and if I try to edit, it throws me to a blank page.
04:09.24rwhitbythe new kernel is good to, cause now I can charge the neo from a windows box
04:09.37rwhitbysagacis: need to ask about that in #oe - i don't run that wiki
04:09.43sagacisYay!
04:09.52sagacistoo bad I don't have a windows box to charge from...
04:09.58ajmitchtime for me to reflash the kernel then
04:10.06sagacisAh, the update wiped out my etc/matchbox/session
04:10.20sagacisrwhitby: Thanks.  I'll ask there.
04:10.30ajmitchhow should I select between building 2.6.21 & 2.6.22 with mokomakefile?
04:10.45ajmitchI initially flashed with a 2.6.22 image
04:10.51rwhitbyajmitch: .21 is good enough for me
04:11.04ajmitchyeah, I might just downgrade after this rebuilds
04:11.04sagacisI failed when building .22 just now.
04:11.05rwhitbyI just use whatever is built by default.
04:11.25ajmitchsince I don't plan to do kernel hacking
04:11.54rwhitbyand then I ipkg upgrade from the nslu2-linux repo, since it has the whole openmoko-feed.bb available for ipkg install
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04:12.42ajmitchI believe that's enabled by default, isn't it?
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04:13.16phlintphourhey everyone, i'm way new to all this
04:13.19hadsIs .21 or .22 default at the moment?
04:13.34rwhitby.21 I believe
04:13.36ajmitchhm, I guess not
04:14.02hadsI'm running a .21 kernel but an ipkg upgrade pulled in a bunch of .22 modules I think.
04:14.15AriaSo you'll have to upgrade the kernel now.
04:14.17ajmitchhads: managed to dial yet? :)
04:14.19Ariadfu-util time!
04:14.49hadsajmitch: I can dial and get the Vodafone lady telling me my SIM isn't allowed to make calls :)
04:14.57ajmitchexcellent!
04:15.01ajmitchI haven't got that far yet
04:15.10sagacisHere's my build failure: "net/ipv4/netfilter/nf_nat_h323.c:545: fatal error: internal consistency failure"
04:15.10hadsThat's with a gsmd restart it the matchbox session
04:15.18hozerhey.. can ipkg use 'file' instead of http?
04:15.36AriaYep. Just give it names of .ipk files to install
04:15.46hozerno, I mean like ipkg update
04:15.50hadsAria: The .21 modules seem to be left on the fs anyway so I can still boot.
04:16.02AriaGood, good. There's no modules needed to boot.
04:16.08AriaJust post-boot stuff.
04:16.09rwhitbyhads: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/unstable/fic-gta01/ tells me that 2.6.22.5 is the current build
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04:16.14Aria(might be empty dirs there)
04:16.26hozerI want to put my buildhost stuff on AFS and then just access the metadata/packages/etc files without copying them to the local flash
04:16.57hadsAria: I see. Ah yes, just a load of empty dirs.
04:17.21hadsrwhitby: Yeah, that's what I thought too from looking on buildhost.
04:17.32rwhitbyso, yeah, 2.6.22 is current
04:17.51hadsI might reflash then since I've already got the modules for it :)
04:19.52ajmitchI'd reflash except that I won't have net access for the weekend :)
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04:23.36sagacisit's late.  I'm gone...
04:25.02hads.22 seems to work fine here so far.
04:27.57hadsBack to work for me anyway.
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04:43.44CMrwhitby: Charging from Windows is good, but will it be able to charge from a wall socket or car charger that doesn't negotiate power?
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05:50.32gcb77I'm trying to track down this file in SVN, and I'm confused on something...
05:50.51gcb77The file is: /trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-keyboard/src/matchbox-keyboard-ui.c
05:51.45gcb77The current revision is 1625, but I looks like matchbox-keyboard was built with version 1254
05:52.26gcb77I'm basing that on the debug messages.  The line numbers match revision 1254
05:53.11gcb77Is the app really being built based on that version or am I missing something?
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06:02.32rwhitbygcb77: openmoko-keyboard_svn.bb in OE says:
06:02.44rwhitbySRC_URI = "${OPENMOKO_MIRROR}/src/target/${OPENMOKO_RELEASE}/inputmethods;module=${PN};
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06:05.07ynezzthis line says nothing to people not working with OE :)
06:05.27ynezzgcb77: but yes, you're true it don't use latest svn version
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06:06.44ynezzoe/packages is enough :)
06:06.59ynezzotherwise you'll get your results tommorow :p
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06:14.40rwhitbythere's something weird going on with revision numbers in the official feeds anyway.
06:16.38cw666SpeedEvil: about?
06:17.04rwhitbythe 2007.08 snapshot has gsmd_0.1+svnr2744-r19_fic-gta01.ipk, whilst my mokomakefile build creates gsmd_0.1+svnnow-r19_fic-gta01.ipk
06:18.29rwhitby(on debian etch, whereas on xubuntu I get gsmd_0.1+svn20070829-r21_armv4t.ipk
06:18.48CMrwhitby: I had trouble two days ago with the kernel versions. I got the .21 kernel uImage, but I'm pretty sure the modules in the rootfs were .22
06:19.03CMAfter building my own with the makefile that is
06:19.28cw666does anyone have any details on how to calibrate the battery and charger details?
06:19.53CMrwhitby: That's very weird indeed.
06:20.15CMI mean that your version differ between deb and xubuntu
06:21.18rwhitbyyeah, I need to closely investigate this.  Having differing version numbers on the packages will really screw up ipkg upgrade
06:21.35rwhitby(that's how I noticed it earlier today)
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06:29.18mdtrwhitby, i have strange messages from ipkg - may those are related?
06:31.57mdtrwhitby, ipkg always says "Multiple packages (libeet0 and libeet0) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER.  Using latest." for all packages i build myself...
06:32.58rwhitbymdt: that's cause the version your locally installing doesn't match the version it has in the lists from the feeds
06:33.22rwhitbythat's why it's best to set up your own feed and use that.
06:33.38mdtrwhitby, hm. but even if i empty the feedlist i get this message...
06:33.58rwhitbythat's cause the status file still has the old package in it
06:34.04mdtrwhitby, yes i would like to, but where do i get a Packages.gz?
06:34.14rwhitbybitbake package-index
06:34.20mdtrwhitby, how do i update the status file?
06:34.29rwhitbyby installing or removing a package
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06:34.54mdtthere is no target package-index :/
06:36.44rwhitbybitbake, not make
06:37.03mdtrwhitby, oups, sorry...
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06:37.15rwhitbymake sure you follow the instructions on the mokomakefile wiki page on how to set up for running bitbake directly
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06:47.14CIA-20openmoko: 03jserv * r2866 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/ (Makefile.am main.c):
06:47.14CIA-20openmoko: Added automagic inclusion of the svn source tree version.
06:47.14CIA-20openmoko: This should fix bugzilla #721
06:47.14CIA-20openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=721
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06:57.23dsilvadoes the openmoko team use any sort of standard benchmarks to test out the hardware and the platform?
07:00.51cw666dsilva: quake2 fps bench
07:01.07dsilvahah
07:01.34ckuethecan run quake2 or not?
07:01.43cw666probably if you build it
07:01.47cw666i wouldnt expect great speed
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07:01.53ckuethelike the new vw beetle ads... "0-60: yes"
07:02.05cw666years ago we have doom working on a 500MHz MIPS SoC
07:02.18cw666it was playable ... but not great
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07:04.57CMcw666: There's even doom for the ipod, so i guess it should run on the neo too :D
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07:06.18cw666rwhitby: time to hurt whomever though updating the compiler was a good idea
07:06.20CMSpeedEvil: dfu-util -V is fixed! (It was you who made fun of that one or?)
07:06.51tandem12hello
07:06.59cw666CM: ipod has a tiny screen though, this was vga output we had working
07:07.08cw666well, pretend vga using an fpga
07:07.16CM:)
07:07.36tandem12is there a fix for the webkit do_compile problem?
07:07.36aloriltandem12: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
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07:08.53CMtandem12: Paste what went wrong into pastebin and maybe someone know what you need to do to get around it
07:09.01rwhitbycw666: was that the gcc-cross-4.1.2-r4 to gcc-cross-4.1.2-r5 change?
07:09.23tandem12cd: /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk-0.0+svn20070831-r1//JavaScriptCore/pcre: No such file or directory
07:09.33cw666rwhitby: not 100% sure, i'm not updating to find out
07:09.53cw666a working compiler is very important to me
07:10.36CMtandem12: I don't know. Compiling now, I'll see if I get the same issue
07:11.07ynezzi think, that openmoko-image itself is a good test suite for compiler :)
07:11.23tandem12notice the two slashes in the path name
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07:12.00cw666ynezz: not really, since it doesnt run during the build
07:12.19cw666ynezz: and your end result is very large and complex, you have idea if a failure is a compiler issue or bad code
07:12.33ynezztandem12: i think, that it shouldn't cause the problem
07:14.29gcb77one more quick question: I'm trying to run gdb on matchbox-keyboard and I keep getting "(no debugging symbols found)" even tho I loaded matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod-dbg
07:14.48gcb77any tips on what else I could try?
07:15.25ynezzI would try to compile it with -g flag by hand
07:15.43tandem12ynezz: the path name is missing 'WebKitBuilds/Debug'
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07:18.23squalylhi all
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07:18.38squalylIs there a fix for mtd-utils now?
07:19.23ynezzfix for what?
07:19.57gcb77Is there a way to tell OE or bitbake to make everything with -g?
07:20.01squalylERROR: Build of /home/squalyl/OE/openembedded/packages/mtd/mtd-utils-native_1.0.0+git.bb do_compile failed
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07:21.42CMMy build just failed when compiling the kernel
07:22.26zash_se:(
07:22.47ynezzsqualyl: this tells nothing, pastebin the build log
07:23.07ynezzdo_compile.<pid>
07:23.37ynezzCM: seems like a problem with compiler, but it's not confirmed yet
07:23.55CMynezz: Ok, thanks
07:24.56ynezzif it's that 'net/ipv4/netfilter/nf_nat_h323.c:545: fatal error: internal consistency failure error'
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07:26.02CMYes, exactly that one
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07:26.37cw666you really dont need NF in your kernel
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07:26.47cw666just config that out for now
07:27.02fgauynezz, CM: i have the same error
07:27.14ynezzi'm not going to fix it :p
07:27.27CMynezz: You lazy ass.. ;)
07:28.34ynezzeither don't use gcc-cross-4.1.2-r5, or remove that module in defconfig
07:28.57CMynezz: Have you filed a bug about it?
07:29.37ynezz09:04:42  * rwhitby gets the net/ipv4/netfilter/nf_nat_h323.c:545: fatal error: internal consistency failure error too
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07:30.13tandem12ynezz: i have the proper directory structure in previous builds:  ./build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk-0.0+svn20070830-r1/JavaScriptCore/pcre/dftables.c
07:31.15ynezznice, so something must changed
07:32.09CIA-20openmoko: 03laforge * r2867 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.22.5-fic-gta01: defconfig for current kernel
07:33.25squalylHere is the pastebin for my yesterday build http://pastebin.org/1487
07:36.58tandem12should I be concerned about this?  "NOTE: preferred version 2.5 of glibc not available (for item virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-libc-for-gcc)"
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07:37.29CMtandem12: No, I get that all the time
07:38.15tandem12CM: did WebKit compile for you?
07:38.37CMI don't know because I didn
07:38.44CM't get past the kernel compile
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07:51.48aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison]] [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]]
07:51.50FuzzyCatme shakes head
07:52.12Obritandem12: NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 3352 tasks of which 3350 didn't need to be rerun and 0 failed. NOTE: build 200708310922: completed
07:55.43tandem12this command failed:  "mkdir -p /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk-0.0+svn20070831-r1//WebKitBuilds/Debug/JavaScriptCore/pcre/tmp/"
07:56.01tandem12doesn't like the double slashes in the path name
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07:57.16ynezzynezz@wizard:~$ mkdir -p west//test
07:57.16ynezzynezz@wizard:~$ ls -ald west/test
07:57.19ynezzdrwxr-xr-x  2 ynezz ynezz 4096 2007-08-31 09:56 west/test
07:57.53ynezzmaybe you've brokem mkdir? :p
07:57.54ScaredyCatwtf does this  mean?
07:57.56ScaredyCat<PROTECTED>
07:57.57ScaredyCat| net/ipv4/netfilter/nf_nat_h323.c: In function 'nat_callforwarding':
07:57.57ScaredyCat| net/ipv4/netfilter/nf_nat_h323.c:545: fatal error: internal consistency failure
07:57.58CMtandem12: What shell do you use?
07:58.14tandem12bash
07:58.18ynezzScaredyCat:  09:04:42  * rwhitby gets the net/ipv4/netfilter/nf_nat_h323.c:545: fatal error: internal consistency failure error too
07:58.20CMScaredyCat: We all get it.. ynezz thinks it's a compiler issue
07:58.48CMtandem12: Ok. Was some trouble with people using dash before, so I had to ask. :)
07:59.08ScaredyCatseriously, someone should actually bother to test that this shit compiles *before* foisting it on us...
07:59.43FuzzyCatthen
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08:02.47CMFuzzyCat: :P
08:05.15tandem12how does the ./build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk-0.0+svn20070831-r1/temp/run.do_compile.XXXXX file get generated?
08:05.38tandem12it is regenerated for each invocation of the build
08:05.54FuzzyCathave you tried the mkdir command manually tandem12 ?
08:06.03tandem12yes, it fails
08:06.19FuzzyCatjust fails no error?
08:06.55tandem12yes, no error
08:07.46tandem12correction, ignore the above posts
08:11.00tandem12succeeds using bash
08:12.01CMtandem12 :D
08:12.13tandem12very strange
08:12.24FuzzyCatwetware interface error ?
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08:17.01CMFuzzyCat: Maybe a pebkac, but not a ID 10 T error ;)
08:17.40FuzzyCatroflmao
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08:21.56tandem12pathname is missing "WebKitBuilds/Debug"  following "//"
08:22.06mdtrwhitby, i get an error creating the Package file: "ipkg-make-index: command not found" any idea?
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08:35.30rwhitbymdt: what's 'ls -l /usr/bin/python' say?
08:35.45mdt:D it's a link to python2.4
08:36.20mdt...and works fine. i just do `make update-makefile && make setup && make update` - maybe something is screwed up there...
08:36.42rwhitbynone of those things will affect ipkg-make-index
08:37.57XorApeople suffering wierd crashes while compiling openmoko, please update and try again, hrw just killed the likely culprit for the problem
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08:49.38mdtrwhitby, okay, i found the cause: bitbake now needs to be run in build/ ... is that correct?
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08:53.02ScaredyCatgcc patches XorA?
08:53.47XorAScaredyCat: we assume so
08:54.57ScaredyCatwell, it lasted longer :)
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08:58.46floriangood morning
08:59.32sudharshmorning
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09:12.57Herod2khi guys
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09:15.27CMXorA: It compiled just fine now :D
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09:18.56mdtwhat part of openmoko does the mount of the sd-card? it always mounts it as vfat without partitions which is not correct in my case...
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09:23.51squalylthis time webkit fails
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09:32.05XorAmdt: udev
09:32.30mdtXorA, it mounts /dev/mmcblk0 as vfat which has partitions...
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09:32.56mdtXorA, for now i put it into /etc/udev/mount.blacklist but why dosn't it notice that?
09:33.25mdtXorA, especially because i put /dev/mmcblk0p1 into /etc/fstab
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09:34.11XorAmdt: no idea, works fine here on Neo and Zaurus
09:34.33mdtXorA, do you have ext2 partitions on the sd?
09:35.54XorAmdt: I had a fat on it until I reformatted and it worked
09:36.06mdtXorA, do you have ext2 partitions on the sd?
09:36.21XorAmdt: I do now, but I didnt before
09:36.53mdtXorA, and it mounts /dev/mmcblk0p1 without anythin about it in /etc/fstab?
09:37.09XorAmdt: yes
09:37.22XorAmdt: unless something changed VERY recently
09:37.32mdtXorA, perhaps i should just remove the entry from fstab
09:40.04XorAmdt: was your card once formatted as fat with no partitions, i wonder if there is still enough of a old fat on it, the auto mounter detects that?
09:40.06mdtXorA, strange...
09:40.20mdtXorA, seems so
09:40.38mdti try dd if=/dev/zero.... ;)
09:40.55XorAif there is nothing of value on card you can dd if=dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 count=64 and then repartition
09:41.03XorAmdt: you beat me to it :-)
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09:43.45mdtXorA, okay, that worked..
09:43.51XorAmdt: YAY
09:44.11mdtthnx alot...
09:44.40mdtis someone here also playing with edje/evas...? i get coredumps with that...
09:45.55mdtis there a way to clobber all package that i build but not remove the cross compile tools?
09:47.23mickey|MDD07clobber ?
09:47.52mickey|MDD07mdt: i'm interested in that. please open a bugentry and i'll take a look (evas coredump)
09:48.28zash_sehm, 640*480..
09:48.33zash_sestarcraft!
09:49.13CMzash_se: Hehe.. I wish!
09:49.22mdtmickey|zzZZzz, if i do a make clobber everything including the toolchain is removed. this builds 20h on my system. i just would like to remove the package that i have build
09:49.43mdts/mickey|zzZZzz/mickey|MDD07:/
09:50.02XorAmdt: finish packaged staging
09:50.15mickey|MDD07hmm
09:50.19mickey|MDD07i'm unfamiliar with make clobber
09:50.23mickey|MDD07is that a mokomakefile thing?
09:50.27mickey|MDD07rod ?
09:50.33mdtyes
09:50.35mickey|MDD07aah
09:50.45mickey|MDD07what does it actually do and what would you like it to do
09:50.53mdtmickey|MDD07,  where should i report the bug against evas...?
09:51.04mickey|MDD07mdt: bugs.openembedded.org
09:51.09FuzzyCatit blows everyhting away.. and then you have to aait 12 hours :)
09:51.14mickey|MDD07mtd: you can always use direct bitbake commands
09:51.15mdtmickey|MDD07, it deletes almost everything you build.
09:51.16zash_seCM: sc dosnt require more than 1-button mouse, and the sysreqs is way below the neo
09:51.16mickey|MDD07i.e.
09:51.18FuzzyCats/aait/wait/
09:51.20mickey|MDD07bitbake -c clean
09:51.32mickey|MDD07or rm'ing tmp/deploy/ipk/*
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09:51.40mdtFuzzyCat, 12? hm
09:51.51FuzzyCatwell, ish.. worst case
09:52.07FuzzyCatdepends on your machine...
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09:52.10mdtmickey|MDD07,  that leaves the downloaded sources, the logs, the ... inplace
09:52.20mickey|MDD07sure
09:52.25mdtFuzzyCat, i have a slow one... ;)
09:52.29mickey|MDD07bitbake -c clean <package> just removes a package
09:52.35mickey|MDD07it doensn't even remove the ipk though
09:52.49mickey|MDD07so the question would be what exactly do you want to have ?
09:52.52mdtmickey|MDD07, i don't even know the package i want to remove
09:53.03mickey|MDD07well, so you want to remove everything but the toolchain?
09:53.11mickey|MDD07how about building nano
09:53.14mickey|MDD07cp'ing your build dir
09:53.16mdtmickey|MDD07, i would like to remove everything i build but the cross compile env
09:53.21mickey|MDD07and then use this as template
09:53.26mickey|MDD07copy it back when you want to have a fresh start
09:53.28mickey|MDD07that's what i'm doing
09:53.50mdtwhat's nano? this editor?
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09:58.23mickey|MDD07ya
09:58.30mickey|MDD07just my random tiny thing that make it build a toolchain
10:02.25squalylerm... What's up with webkit now, It worked yesterday ! what's broken?
10:02.37CMWebkit fails on some libicui18n error for me. What bb file builds that?
10:02.42CMhttp://rafb.net/p/wDHrvw61.html
10:03.06squalylit says :  /home/squalyl/OE/openembedded/packages/webkit/webkit-gtk_svn.bb, do_compile
10:03.55squalylafter looking at the log, it's the same bug for me
10:05.03CMSome kind of abi borkage, but I don't know where or how
10:05.17squalylwe cant exclude webkit from the build, can we?
10:05.39CMI think it's a dependancy of feed-reader only so far
10:05.55squalylI'm investigating that
10:07.14squalylI just commented the feedreader line in task-openmoko.bb
10:07.32squalyllet's see what happens now
10:08.38squalylokay webkit tasks were skipped
10:09.46CMI cleaned out icu and icu-native to see if that helps
10:10.51squalylicu? what's that?
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10:12.27CMThat was the library that webkit-gtk complained had the wrong c++ abi
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10:15.15cesarbCM: was it recompiled after the recent gcc changes? perhaps the previous gcc had an older ABI...
10:15.33CMcesarb: Yes, that was what I'm thinking. :)
10:16.05squalylrecompiling icu doesn't help?
10:16.41CMNo, now icu breaks too: http://rafb.net/p/Uw0oFU11.html
10:16.42cesarbCM: I tried purging the whole build, but now I got "internal consistency failure" on gtk+
10:16.50CIA-20openmoko: 03chris * r2868 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
10:16.50CIA-20openmoko: MokoFingerScroll: Add moko_finger_scroll_add_with_viewport
10:16.50CIA-20openmoko: MokoSearchBar: Don't abstract things unnecessarily
10:17.10cesarbCM: since gcc was changed (again) today, I'm nuking (again) the whole build to see what happens this time
10:17.44CMcesarb: I'm afraid I'll have to do that took but it really takes ages to rebuild
10:17.55squalylis it possible that the new gcc breaks everything?
10:18.10squalylah OK, the solution is to rebuild __all__
10:18.13squalyl(i guess)
10:18.17cesarbCM: it only takes about a day for me
10:18.29CMHehe.. Same here, but I'm impatient ;)
10:18.40CMOr lazy if you want to call it that
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10:21.27CIA-20openmoko: 03thomas * r2869 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-contacts.c):
10:21.27CIA-20openmoko: * src/moko-contacts.c: (moko_contacts_get_photo): Check photo before
10:21.27CIA-20openmoko: g_object_ref. Should prevent segfault on the device when keying in a number
10:21.27CIA-20openmoko: that belongs to a contact.
10:21.28cesarbCM: well, I'm going to work and only getting back tonight... so letting it compiling isn't that boring for me
10:22.06CMcesarb: I've just compiled a new kernel and had planned to play with my pvr150 card, so I'll rebuild later ;)
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10:39.35FuzzyCatcesarb, an update removes some old patches...
10:40.07FuzzyCat1451 of 4287 :/
10:41.02zash_sede-/co
10:41.18zash_ses/$/mpression of sms
10:41.28zash_sewould be nice
10:41.47zash_seand utf8
10:42.02zash_seand food
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10:46.55ewonheh
10:47.05ewonI think I'll code through lunch and leave early
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10:56.18Richardwhat is the option to build openmoko to save disk space?
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10:58.15abraxa_Richard: INHERIT += "rm_work" in your build/conf/local.conf
11:00.09CIA-20openmoko: 03thomas * r2870 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-pim-journal.c): * src/today-pim-journal.c: (today_pim_journal_box_new): Fix some compiler warnings
11:01.15squalylah, build completed, I excluded feedreader.
11:01.29CMsqualyl: Ah, nice.
11:01.40CMI'd still like to know what's broken with c++ though
11:02.37squalylI cant tell you, I started with monotone N-2, then it failed, then I updated to monotone N-1 which also failed , then updated to current monotone, which worked after feedreader removal
11:02.41squalylnot clean!
11:02.50squalylI'm starting a try from scratch!
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11:03.56zorg_the_falsebtw i just looked at the promotionnal video on youtube, they are excelent ! :)
11:04.28zorg_the_falseespecially the soundtracks chosen with care and additionnal entertaining effect :)
11:04.48CIA-20openmoko: 03thomas * r2871 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * Remove some auto-generated files from SVN
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11:25.47Pligger054Hi guys.
11:26.00LagicityHello?
11:26.00alorilLagicity: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.)
11:26.22LagicityOK, thanks.
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11:26.47LagicityIs everyone dead?
11:27.05CMNo, but most of us are quite patient ;)
11:27.15zash_se:D
11:27.18Lagicity... I see ...
11:27.33LagicityWho is a Manchester United supporter?
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11:28.33LagicityAnyone???
11:28.55thomasg_-.-
11:29.02legion_scouser united?
11:29.30folkenwtf is manchester united?
11:29.51CMfolken: Off topic is what it is ;)
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11:30.02folkenCM: ah.. good not important then. :)
11:30.07LagicityThe best football club in the world :D
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11:31.19mdtmake build-package-manchester-united : ERROR: No providers of build target manchester-united (for [])
11:31.43zash_semdt: haha
11:31.54folkenLagicity: i kind of fail to grasp the concept of football. 26 idiots chasing a ball. thousands watching.. They simply could all be nice to each other. :)
11:31.54ynezzLagicity: stop flaming, the best is Banik Ostrava of course! :D
11:32.10mdtzash_se,  sry for the old make love-joke
11:32.25Lagicity... What am I doing wrong -.-"?
11:33.37ynezzfolken: i think, it's better then killing each other in iraq...
11:33.44legion_sports in a channel full of developers
11:33.53zash_seLagicity: my guess is somewhere after /join
11:34.24ynezzlegion_: yea, good point :p
11:35.07folkenynezz: they could write free software instead. :)
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11:40.18ewonfree software don't pay the bills
11:40.22ewonat least, not for the majority :)
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11:57.31zash_sesudo -s ;)
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12:55.03yoyoczesc (hi)
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12:57.04ynezzwitaj :p
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13:04.47yoyoIt is possible to build your own java?
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13:06.46rasteryoyo: only if you want to resign yourself to the firey pits of doom for eternity! :)
13:08.18CMraster: Hehe ;)
13:08.18yoyoraster: I really like to have a java on my moko :)
13:08.19CMyoyo: There are people working on it, but I don't know how far along they are.
13:08.25mickeylyoyo: https://www.fsfe.org/de/fellows/robertschuster/weblog/(tag)/openmoko
13:08.57rasteryoyo:  i was joking :)
13:08.57yoyoI read (in pass) about it
13:09.05rasteri think its a good idea to have java available for OM
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13:09.21Stephmwyoyo: what mickeyl said, and chat to rschuster, woglinde and guillaum1 on here
13:09.23rasterthe real problem is - will it be fast enough to be usable
13:09.26Stephmwyoyo: (when they're online)
13:09.30rasterand not eat up every ioita of resource there is
13:09.33raster...
13:09.39rasteras java tends to do
13:09.49raster(well java apps udner a jvm that i normally see...)
13:09.55DPThoughtraster: j2me should be no problem
13:10.08rasterDPThought: maybe
13:10.08Stephmwraster: get with the programme! :)
13:10.14rasteri just got burnt by java before
13:10.32Stephmwraster: I have worked on a j2me implementation before, speed of the java wasn't the problem
13:10.37rasterand every time i see anything to do with java - i see 3.9gb memory footprints and 8 cpus going full ball
13:10.40Stephmwraster: the biggest bottleneck was the display bus
13:10.41yoyoI think on moko shood by me and se
13:11.39Stephmwyoyo: ME will come via the MIDPath project, SE is kind of there, just not integrated into the OM experience
13:12.43yoyocan't wait
13:12.43rasterStephmw: depends what u do generally
13:12.58rasterbut i do think we need a good jvm + at least j2me
13:13.05rastermaybe even j2ee if u have enough flash
13:13.08rasterand are crazy
13:13.39Stephmwraster: we're talking about a phone, so the performance nenchmark will be demanding games
13:13.50Stephmwraster: rather than the sieve benchmark :)
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13:16.12rasterStephmw: well... maybe
13:16.15Stephmwraster: anyway, as I was saying, I've already worked on a commercial j2me implementation, so I know the bottlenecks
13:16.21rasterbut if i were doing demanding games
13:16.24rasteri'd do them native
13:16.33Stephmwyou're forgetting something
13:16.56Stephmwthe majority of existing games that OM can readily use are written for j2me
13:17.16Stephmwand there are LOADS of those around
13:19.36yoyoWhat I see I can't believe. there is a snap for gta02v2 :)
13:20.49CMI think j2me is kind of fun, but I have yet to finish any of my started games for it.. :P
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13:21.47StephmwCM: I've just emailed the guys behind the Scrabulous web stuff; they're keen to have a j2me interface to it :)
13:22.09StephmwCM: so I'll be starting on that in a while, not sure if I'll have time before my holiday though
13:22.31CMStephmw: Heh, cool! Me and a friend are working on a bluetooth multiplayer "Boggle" game atm
13:22.55StephmwCM: nice :)
13:23.20CMThat's way simpler though, and doesn't require much of a screen
13:23.34Stephmwmine will probably be the online variety though - easier to integrate
13:24.39CMStephmw: I've only done some attempts at roguelikes before, but it's not so easy when you're new to j2me.
13:24.58CMAnd bluetooth multiplayer would be fun :)
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13:26.18zash_sehm, bluetooth hide & seek!
13:26.24CMStephmw: Btw, biggest Scrabble site I know: http://www.betapet.com/
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13:27.55StephmwCM: yeah, I'd come across it - I like scrabulous because of the play-by-email feature
13:28.19CMStephmw: I noticed that.. Man, PBM is old! ;)
13:28.26CMAnd slow..
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13:55.07wibbitI can honestly say, that I wish there was a bit more activity on planet.openmoko.org
13:55.08wibbit:\
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14:10.48yoyopinacs witch chili
14:11.31Writchi1running out of disk space on build system is not fun
14:12.21DPThoughtWritchi1: the fun begins when you move your moko dir on another disk. And then realise that your path is broken everywhere... :)
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14:13.07zash_seomfg, coolness
14:13.08Writchi1i am begining to like mokomakefile
14:13.22borg_is webkit broken atm?
14:13.42borg_it doesnt build here
14:14.28zecke_borg_: http://build.webkit.org/ shows that it should build
14:15.36FuzzyCatmoo
14:15.38zecke_borg_: http://build.webkit.org/changes/2750 broke the Qt and Gtk+ build though but that was fixed yesterday
14:15.53FuzzyCati need a bigger disk :/
14:15.59FuzzyCat12bg isn't enough to build
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14:16.11FuzzyCatbigger Gytes
14:16.14torporNOTE: package libgsmd-0.1+svn20070831-r22: task do_install: started
14:16.15torporERROR: function do_install failed
14:19.26zash_seokay, now what?
14:21.01zash_seit did something wierd
14:21.26FuzzyCat*
14:21.45zash_sehttp://pic.zash.se/Screenshot-QEMU.png
14:22.27torporx died
14:22.34torporssh to it, restart.
14:22.46zash_seah
14:23.15zash_sei ^C:ed it
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14:25.27yoyohow can I remove webkit from openmoko-develop-image?
14:26.18FuzzyCatremove feedreader
14:26.26FuzzyCatfrom the image
14:26.26yoyohow?
14:26.53FuzzyCat1 sec
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14:28.31zash_setorpor: is networking set up in the makefile or do i need to enable that?
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14:29.24torporfor qemu?
14:29.29torporbeats me i don't use qemu
14:30.01ScaredyCatyoyo : try renaming openembedded/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-feedreader2_svn.bb
14:31.06yoyoScaredyCat: ok
14:32.01yoyoiicha :)
14:32.47ScaredyCateh?
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14:33.36yoyoI delete all text in openmoko-feedreader2_svn.bb :). I don't need it.
14:33.45ScaredyCatactuall
14:33.49ScaredyCatactually
14:34.07ScaredyCat... just comment oout the feed reader line in  ./tasks/task-openmoko.bb:
14:34.35yoyoalsow good idea
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14:35.19yoyosiii weekend ! :)
14:35.19ScaredyCatmust reboot...
14:35.21ScaredyCatmust reboot...
14:35.35yoyoScaredyCat: windows user?
14:35.39torpordamnit who broke gprsd?
14:37.00yoyoIs there any info about successfully send / receive mms?
14:37.14mdthm, i filled up my rootfs, now i cant delete the big files anymore - the rm gets stuck. is that a known problem?
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14:40.24XorAmdt: jffs2?
14:40.31mdtyes, shure
14:40.37XorAmdt: then its a feature :-)
14:40.49mdtXorA, what can i do?
14:40.56XorAmdt: reflash
14:41.01mdtoups
14:41.19mdtwill this be fixed some day?
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14:43.05XorAmdt: ask jffs2 dudes
14:43.22mdtXorA, is there a known borderline?
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14:43.52XorAmdt: it occurs when there isnt enough space for the journal and jffs2 then desperately searches for stuff to garbage collect AFAIk
14:44.06mwestermdt:you need at least one empty flash block.
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14:44.44mdtso in fact i cant delete anything?
14:45.17mwesterif it is currently full, that is correct - it's too full to delete anything.  You have to reflash.
14:45.44mdthm, it 97% full.... strange
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14:46.48mwesterThe question about that is if the 3% is scattered about, or if there is actually a full flash block that is free...
14:48.04yoyoI have a braking copulation with the internet f***** router
14:48.35mdtmwester, understand... thnx
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14:49.49yoyozash_se: where can I find http://pic.zash.se/Screenshot.png ?
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14:50.54zash_sewhat?
14:51.22yoyozash_se: I realy like it
14:51.39yoyo:( my english
14:51.50zash_sethe background or?
14:52.12yoyothe wallpaper from that screen shot
14:52.40yoyozash_se: It is out standing
14:53.05zash_seyoyo: http://pixel.customize.org/
14:54.38CIA-20openmoko: 03mickey * r2873 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-firststart2/data/ui.glade: openmoko-firststart: don't allow focus on certain widgets to prevent keyboard popping up
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15:01.52dcordeshi ppl
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15:02.15dcordespeooople
15:02.34PBeckhehe ;)
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15:07.47aloril(script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
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15:08.26dcordeslol what's that order canceling thing? forum feed?
15:09.12Stephmwmailing list
15:09.26Ariawhenever someone @openmoko.com posts
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15:20.55mdti just installed the last rootfs :D it seems there is something missing, fonts are blocks, colors are missing :)
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15:27.47mdtah, sry, forgot nand erase....
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15:39.19ScaredyCatdid that work yoyo
15:39.22ScaredyCat?
15:41.44ScaredyCatthat's a nice wallpaper!!
15:41.51ScaredyCathttp://pic.zash.se/Screenshot.png
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16:11.11Writchiecan someone from openmoko.com/FIC confirm whether GSM850 has been disabled or is broken in GTA01BV4 ?????
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16:23.11mbufpython performance on the Neo1973 is good?
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16:26.27aloril(script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: Convince me NOT to cancel my order.
16:41.32CIA-20openmoko: 03laforge * r2874 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-s3c2410_udc.patch: add some additional debugging code
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16:44.15xaid|workI'm a bit confused from reading the mailing list..is the mass market release of GTA02 still scheduled for October or will that be the GTA02_v1 (developers release) ?
16:45.06thomasg_BBFILE_PRIORITY: whats the hightes priority: highest or lowest number?
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16:53.37CIA-20openmoko: 03laforge * r2876 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch:
16:53.37CIA-20openmoko: * enable 'license' command in GTA02 config
16:53.37CIA-20openmoko: * use correct serial uart for console on GTA02 in default environment
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17:06.30psyminxaid|work, afaik october is the mom and pop and your dog release .. I'm wondering if its still on schedule so I can get my hopes up :)
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17:15.27Writchiembuf: how much space does python add ?
17:16.21mbufWritchie, i have no idea, that is why i am asking :)
17:17.09Writchiesorry - missed your question mark
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17:18.21mbufWritchie, i will probably stick with C
17:19.44daltonaHi all
17:19.50daltonais harald there ?
17:20.13_diego__Writchie:only python about 2 Mb
17:20.41Writchiethat shouldn't be too bad
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17:20.59_diego__but probably u want to install some module and can grow up fast
17:21.11Writchie64MB is going fast on GT01 - 256MB on GT02 will be much nicer
17:22.08Writchie_diego__: would be nice to have a base system - the rest could prolly be on SD
17:22.25Writchielooks like SD is going to be necessary for GT01
17:22.53_diego__indeed.... i've installed python on SD :)
17:24.17Writchieit might even make sense to run rootfs off SD on GT01 so that storage size is equivalent to GT02
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17:29.17daltonadoes anybody knows when gps will be avail for GTA01 +
17:29.20kristian-mpython-pygtk needs lots of space
17:30.12torporwhats a good imageviewer app on linux (ubuntu) ..
17:30.12mbufdaltona, he is there, but not here (just kidding)
17:30.13torpor?
17:30.22torporanyone got some rec's?
17:30.34daltonambuf lol
17:32.11daltonathe worst thing is that I have access to global locate lib binary, but it's only for ARMv5 and GTA01 is ARMv4 !
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17:34.49psymintorpor, a bit OT but eog, kview, pornview .. etc
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17:41.15mbufis there a window size (horizontal/vertical) for the OpenMoko touchscreen display?
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17:41.32tnbI have a dev unit here that seems to be dead. It was working fine, but I left it sitting unplugged for a few days. Now I can't get it to come to life. It's been plugged into USB for about 4 hours (following instructions on wiki).
17:41.48tnbsuggestions?
17:41.53SpeedEvilgot a voltmeter?
17:41.56torporpsymin: thx i'll check it out..
17:42.11tnbSpeedEvil: yes
17:42.25SpeedEvilMeasuring the battery voltage is probably a good first step.
17:44.16xaid|workpsymin: I hope its still on schedule, I'm counting the days to ditch my existing 3 year old phone :)
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17:46.28tnbSpeedEvil: right, 3.68 volts
17:46.31tnbmeasured
17:46.42SpeedEvilThat should boot.
17:46.55SpeedEvilTry taking the battery out 10 mins.
17:48.54tnbSpeedEvil: weird, booting now. thx
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17:53.12Writchietnb: can you see what voltage is reported after you  boot up
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18:09.07rohKero i use 0.31 which interresting enough works
18:09.20Keroroh: that's scary.
18:09.25rohi know.
18:09.36Keroroh: lower versions can read higher-version repos, but not vice versa...
18:09.57rohand yes, ive successfully built om with it for some month now
18:10.36rohif we get into hard problems with older mtn versions i think rod can still add building recent mtn locally to mokomakefile
18:10.51rohKero i use the package which is supplied by ubuntu feisty
18:11.49Keroscript is downloading the repo. we'll see shortly
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18:13.30mwesterwebkit won't build currently?  or does it build ok for others right now?
18:13.40SpeedEvilroh: I noticed yesterday that the standby voltage - DCD3? is set to 2100 - whereas it should be 1800 according to the samsung datasheet.
18:14.09zecke_mwester: check build.webkit.org, feel free to pastebin build errors
18:14.10Keroseems 0.36 is smarter than 0.35 :D
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18:14.30SpeedEvilroh: And dtandby current is now at 0 with both amp in 'off' mode, and @poff
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18:15.00rohSpeedEvil cool.
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18:17.31SpeedEvilOh - and I've had it playing mp3s at a current which would indicate 8 hours playback.
18:18.04SpeedEvil(lowering core voltage to 1.8, clock to 100Mhz, IO volts to 3. Through headphones only of course.
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18:18.49juri_well, i was looking for a good portable .ogg player. glad to hear i finally bought one.
18:18.55Kerowhee! `make setup` actually worked (it didn't w/ mtn 0.35)
18:19.11SpeedEvilNot tried ogg
18:19.17SpeedEvilthis is 128K mp3
18:19.55Keroand now I'd like to update that hopelessly outdated OE page, but it does not tell me how to make an account?
18:20.29SpeedEvilon the wiki?
18:21.04Keroyeah, OEandYourDistro
18:21.11SpeedEvilclick edit
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18:21.29SpeedEvilit should say you can't do that without login, and present a login screen, from where you can create an account
18:21.34Derbot2hi
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18:21.54Derbot2speedevil: cell broadcast works :)
18:21.56Keroit shows a screen where I can leave an explanation of what i'd *like* to do.
18:21.57SpeedEvil:)
18:22.09Kerowithout any promiss that I can actually do that
18:22.12SpeedEvilKero: do you mean the wiki?
18:22.35Kerohttp://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro and clicked Edit, as you said
18:22.38SpeedEvilIf so - top-right
18:22.47SpeedEvilthere should be log-in/create account
18:23.15Kerothere's login, but no create account (also not when I click login)
18:23.33KeroI'm sort-of starting to understand why that page is out of date..........
18:23.46SpeedEviloh - right
18:23.55SpeedEvilI was assumign you were meaning the OM wiki
18:24.06Kerono, I have an account there, no problem
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18:25.28Kerowill poke a bit in #oe to see why their wiki is so crap-or-closed
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18:34.58mwesterKero: the wiki was recently upgraded, and there remain a number of technical glitches...
18:36.03Keroright :)
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18:44.27Kerowhich g++ version was needed?
18:50.34hp__looks like make mokoslug fails on ubiupdatevol.c.dep
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18:55.14eggsyIs there a recommended way to get rid of obsolete dirs in the build subtree? In particular things from svn with a datestamp? Sorry if this is obvious.
18:55.53eggsyIt keeps filling up my disk!
18:57.09edistar_hello! When the GTA2 is released in october, will that be the final hardware version then?
18:57.12Kerofunky, makeinfo is in texinfo
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18:57.26Keroeggsy: under Tips on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile
18:58.22SpeedEviledistar_: No.
18:58.32SpeedEviledistar_: further revisions will continue.
19:00.58Keromultiple wgets running at the same time has weeeiiiird graphical results :)
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19:02.11eggsyKero: well rm_work helps (don't know what it really does) but if say webkit-gtk build fails then it keeps the partial build files around. The next day it has a new package name and so orphans the previous days build directory and I have to go and delete things by hand.
19:03.29Kerono idea about that one. Currenytly trying to build my first image (and getting much further than previous time I tried :)
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19:04.32eggsyKero: it's all a bit too flaky for my liking.
19:04.49Kryokoyet its working, isnt it ?
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19:06.23Keroeggsy: blog entry about my previous attempt: http://chmeee.dyndns.org/rambling/blog.srb?author=Kero
19:06.33eggsyKryoko: I only manage to successfully every couple of days
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19:07.27Kryokoeggsy : huuu...that's indeed ... well bad
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19:08.27eggsyKryoko: rwhitby keeps improving MokoMakefile which does help though
19:08.55eggsyand it does save wearing out my flash memory!
19:09.45Kryokohopefully there won't be that much problems with the gta02...i aint got problems fixing whatsoever related problems yet i aint got time for such stuff >_>
19:10.11Kerowell, my dual-core is, for once, doing some heavy-duty stuff :)
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19:10.36Keroapproaching package 200 of 3352
19:10.48Kerotask
19:13.46_diego__does exist a build of openmoko with debug information?
19:17.17thomasgis somebody able to build imlib2? I always get this errors: http://rafb.net/p/dSyaWm54.html
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19:24.16rohthomasg interresting problem.. shure it built a libc before sometime?
19:25.07thomasgroh, I have a new built glibc, yes
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19:26.01rohhm.. and why does it not use its headers?
19:26.35thomasggood question :)
19:26.43thomasgNOTE: package glibc-2.5: completed
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19:27.19thomasgroh, I have to go now, will be back in about 3 hours. I'll come back on you, k?
19:27.31rohim currently making a build
19:28.19thomasgjust query me if you have informations for me. cu later
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19:48.58psyminI saw this mentioned on the wiki wish list, is anyone working on end-to-end voice encryption?
19:51.23rohpsymin will happen.. but propably after gta02 is released
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19:51.53woglinderoh hm cryptophone guys have no intrest?
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19:52.52Ghiottonehi all
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20:02.05xaid|workGhiottone: hi
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20:02.10Kero1000 tasks of 3352... (nice progress :) )
20:04.56Ghiottonedoes anyone know how I put an application in moko's application list?
20:06.50rohwoglinde totally different direction and userbase.. lets see what happens. even then. that not opensource
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20:13.00Ghiottoneoh I found the answer by myself :)
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20:30.53cbrakewhy does the openmoko build system build qt4-x11-free?
20:31.15woglindecbrake bitbake bla -g
20:31.19woglindeshows you the graph
20:31.25woglindeof dependecies
20:32.29zecke_cbrake: because of inherit qt4x11 in webkit-gdk
20:33.06zecke_cbrake: and qt4x11.bbclass adds qt4-x11-free to DEPENDS. It is on my todo to change that...
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20:34.16cbrakezecke_: ahh, ok.
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20:36.38mwesterso, if I get rid of webkit, then my build would be done already?  Cool.  That's easy!
20:40.12Keromm, building a complete set of locales (glibc 2.5) seems a bit overkill, too :)
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20:41.00mwesterI think the current openmoko build needs to lose some weight -- a rigorous workout schedule, and a diet would be good.
20:41.03Ghiottonekristian-m, are you here?
20:42.25Keromwester: I guess sucking a bit of fat from the makefiles should be easy enough.
20:42.39ecravenhow does octobre for gta02 look?
20:42.40mwesterI just have to wonder this:  Why, at this point in development, are we making a web browser (webkit) part of the image?  Should it not be built as an add-on package, so that the image can be built and rebuilt more efficiently?
20:42.45Keromwester: but it'd be different fat for everyone
20:42.51Keromaybe
20:42.52mwesterNo, not really.
20:43.09mwesterWe can decide on what's core, and what's installed via ipkg.
20:43.12Keroright now I do not care about a webbrowser, true
20:44.14zecke_mwester: You are always free to create a better-openmoko-image.bb and propose the inclusion
20:44.48rohhm... built ran throgh
20:44.53mwesterzecke_:  I know that, but I don't know who is in charge, if anyone, of deciding such a thing.
20:45.39Keromwester: rwhitby is
20:45.40mwesterSo, to whom would one propose that?  The community?  FIC?  The core developers (and are they here? do they use OE - I though they used SVN)?
20:45.44zecke_mwester: bugzilla.openmoko.org is always a good place and if that is unanswered mail -community?
20:46.35Kerooh, NOTE: generating locale nl_NL (ISO-8859-1)
20:46.49ferricwe can't even get the gsm modem to work reliably.  why do we need the web browser?!
20:47.19Kerobut it doesn't do iso-8859-15? no euro symbol? bastards :)
20:47.22mwesterIt's something that should be pursued, I think.  Building too much is going to discourage developers, and frustrate the OE folks who are trying to keep it all working, and can't be productive.
20:47.41mwesterI'll try to strip out some stuff, and see if I can come up with a proposal to pose to someone.
20:49.35Kerothat'd be nice!
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20:50.31ferricmwester: isn't mickey working on webkit?
20:51.24woglindeferric no zecke
20:52.11zeckewoglinde: I will buy mate if you are quite...
20:52.32ferricah
20:52.46woglindezecke aeh
20:52.59woglindeferric nono mickeyl is working on webkit
20:53.00woglindesorry
20:53.02woglinde*g*
20:53.10ferricheh!
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20:57.32hp__just wondering.. any news on openmoko and qemu.. last time i build it.. mouse clicks didn't work in qemu
20:58.59xaid|workhp__: I think that is still the case. I built it yesterday.
21:00.33hp__kay.. thanks for the reply
21:03.51psyminhp__, I just built it this afternoon and had similar issues, assumed it was my own fault though.
21:04.14psyminhp__, Seems like the axis was rotated 90 degrees or something?
21:06.38psyminhp__, also my right click is the 'action' click .. I guess I'd better bone up on qemu :)
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21:10.29hp__psymin: i build it urlier this week.. no matter where i clicked nother really happend..
21:10.38hp__psymin: keyboard access worked a little though
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21:11.12CIA-20openmoko: 03mickey * r2877 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2/ (26 files in 4 dirs): add openmoko-terminal, a gtk-based terminal wrapper around VteTerminal
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21:13.21zmedicohp__: xaid|work : this worked for be with the pre-built version: http://onlinedev.blogspot.com/2007/08/calibrating-openmoko-v20072.html
21:14.53zmedicoI found the like from this bug: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=736
21:17.46Kero(NOTE: generating locale nl_NL@euro (ISO-8859-15), and there it is :)
21:18.06rwhitbymorning
21:18.10hp__zmedico: trying that right away :)
21:19.09hp__hi rob :)
21:20.31mickey|mddhey rod
21:20.59Kerothere's really a loooooooot of locales in mokomakefile... bit of a waste as I'll be using... three or four at most...
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21:23.38CMKero: GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_US.UTF-8"
21:24.16CMKero: In local.conf
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21:24.58xaid|workzmedico: thanks for the link. I followed that yesterday but it seems that my mouse clicks are not registering correctly. I have to click them 10 times or so until a click is registered. moving the keyboard arrows is instant though so i'm not sure if I missed anything.
21:25.08KeroCM: trying.
21:25.40KeroCM: how to do more than one? space sep? comma sep?
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21:26.03CMwoglinde: Danke
21:26.20zmedicoxaid|work: I had to click about 2 times (maybe three) for each of the cross hairs during callibration
21:26.30woglindein oe all is space with one exception URI_SRC
21:27.08Kero'k, trying again, if it works, I'll add the tip to the wiki
21:27.16quicksandmickey: out of curiosity, what's the advantage of openmoko-terminal2 over mrxvt?
21:27.38xaid|workzmedico: does it work fine afterwards or do you still need to do multiple clicks?
21:27.51zmedicoit worked fine after calibration
21:28.26woglindekero hm I think I is already in the wiki
21:29.06xaid|workzmedico: hmm, its left-click during calibration and afterwards too, right? or do i need to do a magical key dance combo?
21:29.35zmedicojust left clicks worked for me
21:32.20xaid|workzmedico: thanks for the tip, i'll try it when im home :)
21:32.32zmedicogood luck :)
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21:35.30Kerowoglinde: perhaps, but I think it'd fit under Tips in http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?MokoMakefile
21:36.23rwhitbyxaid|work: hold down the mouse button for clicking (i.e. make it a really *slow* click) and you'll get better response from qemu)
21:36.28Kerothat's http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile
21:36.43rwhitbyKero: please add it there then
21:36.58Kerodone
21:38.06rwhitbythx
21:39.51xaid|workrwhitby: thanks for the tip. i'll do it in a couple of hours. qemu is not fun to work with sometimes :)
21:40.07Kerorwhitby: I posted to device-owners about monotone 0.35 vs 0.36 on debian unstable. I'm assuming mokomakefile still converts (up) from 0.32 to whatever version is running?
21:41.14CMKero: I added ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" too
21:41.25CMSometimes the wiki is just impossible to search
21:41.46CMI wonder what's up with that in MediaWiki
21:42.06hhf423re
21:42.46Kerothere we go, glibc done. 1500 tasks and counting
21:43.06SpeedEvilThe right way is to reorganise the wiki so that it is easy to find stuff without searching.
21:43.49CMSpeedEvil: Hehe.. I hereby betstow that quest upon yea! :-P
21:44.08quicksandThe internets are messy.  Organize them plz.
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21:45.54rwhitbyKero: mokomakefile downloads the snapshot which matches your mtn version
21:45.55mwesterCM: So one needs to do the  ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" as well as the GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_US.UTF-8" to just build a single locale?
21:46.39rwhitbyKero: from http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/
21:47.20rwhitbyif the matching version is not there, then it downloads the latest and tries to get mtn to db migrate it
21:47.32quicksandmwester: if you disable binary locale generation you'll get none.
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21:47.42rwhitbyif that doesn't work, then you're on your own with the monotone documentation to help you
21:47.48Kerorwhitby: ok, when I tried three weeks ago, it died while converting. I had nothing then.
21:47.54quicksands/none/none whatsoever/
21:48.04mwesterthanks
21:48.06Keroso converting from 0.35 to 0.36 seemsto work
21:48.15Kerowhereas 0.32 -> 0.35 does not
21:48.48hhf423SpeedEvil: I agree, for a new starter, the wiki is hard to parse
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21:49.12hhf423SpeedEvil: it would probably be a weekend of hard work to clean it up
21:49.23SpeedEvilIt's more than that.
21:49.33SpeedEvilMany pages basically need rewritten.
21:49.47SpeedEvilAnd often there is the 'I can't find a page, so I'll make one' effect.
21:49.51hhf423after deciding/agreeing a concept maybe
21:49.58SpeedEvilSo you get three or four pages on the same subject
21:50.10hhf423yes, we have quite some stuff double
21:50.12SpeedEvilAnd then there is namespace confusion.
21:50.15quicksandSpeedEvil: agree -- plus there's old/bad information aplenty
21:50.21hhf423namespace?
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21:51.15SpeedEvilHardware:Neo1973:Alternate_case_designs:Ruggedised
21:51.25SpeedEvilversus Ruggedised_Case
21:51.30SpeedEvil(for example)
21:51.31hhf423well, in any case, I could spend some time on cleanup in a week or two
21:51.40SpeedEvilI'm not advocating that scheme.
21:51.42hhf423SpeedEvil: ah, ok. agreed.
21:51.59SpeedEvilGetting that right isn't entirely simple.
21:52.07aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison]] [[MokoMakefile]] [[E17]]
21:52.14SpeedEvilHardware:Neo1973:GTA02:Alternate_case_designs:Ruggedised
21:52.18SpeedEvilrather :)
21:52.21DukeOfURLcan someone offer some advice?  http://pastebin.org/1524
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21:53.03mwesterDukeOfURL:  Sure.  Buy low, sell high.
21:53.16hhf423SpeedEvil: probably a good start would by my just identifying double pages, putting a note in in front
21:53.26SpeedEvilYeah.
21:53.41hhf423SpeedEvil: then the next step would be to just merge them
21:53.43mwesterThat's the same problem I had early this morning.  No solution did I find... so I ended up deleting the *entire* tmp build directory, and building from scratch.
21:53.45SpeedEvilThat can involve 'first read every page in the wiki' problems though.
21:53.55SpeedEvilWhich gets annoying fast.
21:54.23mwesterDukeOfURL:  did you sync up and build anything 12 - 18 hours ago?
21:54.27hhf423SpeedEvil: I don't think that it is much easier than that, honestly. I know only one way to good data quality and that is hard work :-)
21:54.55DukeOfURLmwester: yes, yesterday.  no joy however
21:55.05SpeedEvilhhf423: rigourously categorising helps. As that way the problem reduces to finding dupes amongst categoriesed pages.
21:56.49mwesterDukeOfURL:  Yep, that's what I did as well.  There was a commit that broke things, followed by a fix, but anything that was compiled in that interval is suspect.  So any objects or libraries you built with the bad toolchain need to be deleted.
21:57.03DukeOfURLrwhitby: this is now a broken link: http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.36.mtn.bz2
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21:57.07mwesterDukeOfURL:  I couldn't find them all, so I ended up deleting everything, and building from scratch.
21:57.41DukeOfURLmwester: I'm trying that as well, but make setup hands on http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.36.mtn.bz2
21:57.47DukeOfURLhangs
21:58.32mwesterOh - I saved my OE.mtn, and just blew away the build/tmp directory.
21:58.40hhf423if I want to make uboot stay in the uboot menu forever, how do I do that again?
21:59.05hhf423SpeedEvil: yes. starting with categorization as a note on the page?
21:59.09quicksandhhf423: You mean, without pressing AUX AUX AUX AUX AUX AUX AUX AUX AUX AUX AUX AUX ?
21:59.15hhf423quicksand: yes
21:59.21mdtwhy does it build qt4 when i build webkit...?
21:59.26DukeOfURLmwester: did you get a successful compile?
21:59.30mickey|mddthere's some timeout setting
21:59.32mickey|mddbut i can't remember
21:59.34mickey|mddit was on the list lately
21:59.50mwesterDukeOfURL:  YES!  It just finished, as a matter of fact.
21:59.53quicksandI can't either.  The default is a bit short, but I have just dealt with it.
22:00.25mwestermdt: recent change, someone's working on it.
22:00.44hhf423boot_menu_timeout ?
22:00.55mdtmwester, i'm afraid of qt, you know...
22:01.24mwestermdt: I'm not frightened of it -- but my CPU fan needs a rest.
22:01.40quicksandhhf423: ah, yes: setenv boot_menu_timeout=[seconds?] per the wiki
22:01.42mdtmwester, same to mine... terrible :D
22:01.53quicksandhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Environment
22:01.55hhf423quicksand: -1 probably?
22:02.22quicksandor maybe [large integer] if that's forever enough for you
22:02.56CIA-20openmoko: 03mickey * r2878 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2/src/moko-terminal.c: openmoko-terminal2: bind backspace
22:03.34hhf423ok, -1 does not cut it
22:03.40quicksandmickey|mdd: What advatage does moko-terminal have over mrxvt?  Just curious.
22:05.02mickey|mddquicksand: it will have the automatic opening of softkeyboard, will fit into the visual design, and will have some features like bookmarks for well-known-commands that are especially helpful when you don't want to type much :)
22:05.28quicksandKero: Yeah, I think so, during glibc build, right?
22:05.37rwhitbyDukeOfURL: I know there is no 0.36 snapshot.  that's why mokomakefile grabs the latest if a versioned snapshot does not exist
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22:05.50rwhitbyit's not a broken link - it was never there.
22:06.21DukeOfURLrwhitby: what can I do to run setup?
22:06.24quicksandmickey|mdd: cool -- that would be nice.  Though frankly, with the few GPE applications I have installed, the automatic soft keyboard is annoying more than a help.
22:06.56mickey|mddquicksand: ya, we have to see how this works out. if too many people find it annyoing, we might as well rip it out again
22:07.03quicksandMaybe you have this in mind already, but because a stack of two virtual keyboards isn't all that helpful, it should check whether one is visible already before it opens another!
22:07.33rwhitbyDukeOfURL: are you telling me that your wget program hangs if a URL can't be found?
22:07.52DukeOfURLno, this is make setup:
22:08.12DukeOfURL--15:52:44--  (try: 7)  http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.36.mtn.bz2
22:08.14DukeOfURLConnecting to www.openembedded.org|85.214.40.226|:80... failed: Connection timed out.
22:08.15DukeOfURLRetrying.
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22:08.44rwhitbyright, and when it finally fails to get the versioned snapshot it will retrieve the unversioned one and upgrade it if necessary
22:09.45rwhitbyDukeOfURL: I don't control what's in http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/
22:10.04Keroquicksand: no, later packages. it's past glibc already.
22:10.25mdtdoes someone know of a bug in libpng-1.2.19? it decodes a gray png in blue...
22:10.51mdthow can i force a build of a older version with bitbake?
22:11.17mickey|mddbitbake foo-bar
22:11.21mickey|mddbar being the version
22:11.25KeroDukeOfURL: my mokomakefile downloaded some version and 0.36 converted succesfully. today.
22:12.07Keroso I'm supposing that's v0.35 downloaded... (how to check hours after the fact?)
22:12.07mickey|mddi read about this png bug
22:12.25rohrwhitby is there a special reason that you fetch bb 1.8.8 and not trunk anymore`
22:12.50mickey|mddstability?
22:13.06mdtsee: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=46CB80CA.9050607%40users.sourceforge.net&forum_name=enlightenment-devel
22:13.07rwhitbyroh: indeed - I was berated heavily on #oe for daring to take a stable branch tip :-)
22:13.10rohhm. never hit a bug... there
22:13.16mdtmickey|mdd, thnx
22:13.45mickey|mddmdt: iirc there also was a patch. try grepping through the enlightenment-devel archives, iirc that was where i read about it
22:14.16rwhitbyroh: apparently the only guaranteed stable things in bitbake are the tags - you can't assume the stable branch tip is actually stable.
22:14.58rwhitby(and that's a reasonable position to take, so I implemented it)
22:15.36rwhitbyI also did the same for nslu2-linux
22:17.04rohi see
22:18.14quicksandrwhitby: 1.8.8 is new enough to incorporate the circular-dependencies fix?  If so, I'll replace my trunk-snapshot with that.
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22:26.54Kero2000 of 3352 and counting :)  bedtime, will see the result tomorrow morning.
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22:31.44rwhitbymickey|mdd: For the builder that feeds http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/fic-gta01/, how come gsmd comes up as +svnr2748, instead of a date based revision - do you have some sort of local.conf with frozen svn revisions in it?  are you using bitbake 1.8.8 to build it?  what differences are there between how that feed is built and how everyone else is building repeatably with MokoMakefile?
22:32.21mickey|mddrwhitby: this is one of the few uncommitted changes i have on buildhost
22:32.34rwhitby(cause svnr2748 is later than any date-based svn revision, so nobody else can build a local feed which updates gsmd from a local build
22:32.57mickey|mddin a couple of days we have SRCREV globally and then we can commit that
22:33.53CIA-20openmoko: 03mickey * r2879 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2/src/moko-terminal.c: openmoko-terminal2: set default font to Vera Sans Mono 5
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22:37.37rwhitbymickey|mdd: ok, I'll ignore the problem until then
22:38.20rwhitbyAt least I know I'm not going crazy now - I couldn't work out what mokomakefile was doing wrong to not get the same results as buildhost
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22:41.29mickey|mddright. sorry bout that
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22:42.31mdthm, my current image does not contain /etc/alsa anymore... is that a bug or a feature?
22:42.38rwhitbymickey|mdd: it just means that I have to flash an image I've built myself (rather than a snapshot) and remove all the buildhost feeds before using my own feed
22:42.45orpheuswould anyone happen to know if the patch to switch from usb device to usb host actually works?
22:43.00SpeedEvilWhich patch?
22:43.20SpeedEvilMy one? That was a 'seems reasonable' patch - that hasn't actually been compiled.
22:43.27Q_Continuumhow well would the openmoko suite run on bare i386 iron?
22:43.35SpeedEvilfine.
22:43.36orpheusit's in subversion, under branches/source/target/kernel/2.6.22/ or something
22:43.45SpeedEvilthough i386 may be too small
22:43.56SpeedEvilorpheus: that one is probably not quite there yet
22:44.02orpheusahh
22:44.23orpheuswere you able to tell if those lines can actually act as a usb host?
22:44.23SpeedEvilhang on
22:44.30SpeedEvilyes, they can.
22:44.40SpeedEvilthere are two usb host controllers on the CPU
22:44.48SpeedEvilOne of which can be switched to a USB device
22:45.15orpheusah, great, that's much better than having to pull off the wires from thenbluetooth module to get USB
22:45.27SpeedEvilyou can't unplug the bluetooth module
22:45.37SpeedEvilit's wired to under the LCD, which is glued down.
22:45.41SpeedEvilit's a cut-wire job.
22:45.44orpheusyou can if you try hard enough...
22:45.45SpeedEvilwhich is annoying.
22:45.51orpheusyeah
22:46.05orpheusthat's really good to hear tho
22:46.31orpheusis there a way to force the power bits into fast-charge mode?
22:46.52SpeedEvilNot with the current kernel.
22:46.56SpeedEvilthe hardware can do it.
22:47.02orpheussince it'll most likely revert to slow-charge mode if it's acting as a usb device
22:47.03orpheusoh well
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22:47.28SpeedEvilIt should actually stay as it was, if you don't unplug the source of 5V
22:48.18rwhitbymickey|mdd: is buildhost using openmoko-feed.bb yet?
22:48.22orpheushurmm..... it's a pity that i can't do that with my current wierd 3-headed cable, but that's also good to know
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22:48.44rwhitbyBTW, http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/unstable/ has now been rebuilt since the gcc fiasco
22:49.14rwhitbyand it has everything listed in packages/meta/openmoko-feed.bb built
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22:50.59mickey|mddreally?
22:50.59mickey|mddcool
22:51.01cesarbrwhitby: cool
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22:51.27mickey|mddrwhitby: will do tomorrow
22:52.59rwhitbycesarb: you get receive field strength readings for cells in the active set
22:53.29orpheusi'm glad i don't know much about the cell system
22:53.43SpeedEvilmore than field strength
22:53.47SpeedEvilyou get delays
22:54.13SpeedEvilOr at least seem to.
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22:59.15SpeedEvilorpheus: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/neo1973-hardware/2007-August/000200.html - was the post I made to the ML about the usb-host-mode patch
23:00.53SpeedEviland the followon oops post
23:01.04cesarbhm, svn.openmoko.org seems kinda flakey right now
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23:04.08hhf423awww, now the terminal fonts is way too big
23:04.26hhf423how do I change the font size again? it was somewhere, but I can not find it :-(
23:04.43SpeedEvilBring the neo closer, or further away.
23:04.55wibbitglasses?
23:05.10SpeedEvilAlso see: Meatloaf - Objects in the rearview mirror may appear closer than they are.
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23:06.36_diego__how can i compile a recipe with debug option?
23:06.57rohhm.. why does it build libpcap0.9.3 and 0.9.6 ?
23:07.47hhf423whats ther terminal app called again? mxrvt?
23:07.53hhf423mrvxt?
23:08.08mickey|mddthe old one mrxvt
23:08.33SpeedEvilgtkterm2?
23:10.10hhf423openmoko-terminal is the new one
23:10.14hhf423does not work
23:10.20hhf423piece a crap
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23:12.30hhf423does totally not work
23:12.53hhf423starts with a error message and you can not even in horizontal mode a command in
23:12.56mickey|mddopenmoko-terminal2 it is btw.
23:13.01mickey|mddanyways, g'night
23:15.16hhf423mickey|zzZZzz: good night
23:15.42hhf423oh the pain, openmoko-terminal2 does not work and I can not start mrxvt from the gui
23:16.37mdthhf423, use ssh & DISPLAY=:0 mrxvt ;)
23:16.45hhf423yes
23:16.57hhf423but that does not work when I go out :-)
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23:17.20hhf423ah, I'll have mrxvt start as default out of matchbox/session
23:17.26mdthhf423, symlink openmoko-terminal2 to mrxvt
23:17.39hhf423mdt: ah, thats a good idea
23:19.17hhf423hahaha
23:19.24SpeedEvilhhf423: x over GPRS.
23:19.47hhf423I can PAN to my UMTS phone and then do ipkg update from the neo via UMTS
23:20.16mdt:D :D
23:20.31SpeedEvilI've downloaded new rootfs images over GPRS.
23:20.55mdtthis is a really good idea for the presentation i have to do with the neo... :D
23:21.16SpeedEvilThere are also _trivial_ scripts.
23:21.17hhf423hrhrhr
23:21.18mdthhf423, this should be really fast then...
23:21.46hhf423hmm, looks like the bt connection drops really fast tho
23:22.15SpeedEvilLike tail -f /tmp/nmea |grep GPGGA|ssh server 'cat >/tmp/nmea'
23:22.17mdtbt sucks... we had lots of trouble with that in a project.
23:22.28SpeedEvilto share the GPS to a desktop over GPRS
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23:25.13hhf423and does anyone know what the new keyboard is called?
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23:28.16polzhmm... mokomakefile stopped working this mornin
23:28.21polzg
23:28.28polzit says it can't compile webkit
23:28.58polzand I can't find any related bug in bugzilla
23:29.24polznow... am I doing something wrong / stupid, or should I be filing a bug ?
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23:37.52jadamsstateofthephone?  I've been neck deep in work the past week, curious if anything interesting is happening in software-land
23:38.14jadamsjust now flashing the latest images to it...
23:40.04polzjadams: the dialer mostly works now
23:40.14polzjadams: and mplayer is also available
23:40.23polzso you can watch movies
23:40.26jadamspolz: but mplayer plays at 4fps or so?
23:40.42polzdepends on the sort of movies you want to watch
23:40.50jadamsfurry porn
23:40.56polz320x240 mpegs play smoothly
23:41.40jadamsis mplayer in the rootfs or do I need to ipkg install it?
23:41.46polzipkg
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23:41.53hhf423jadams: see my comments from just now in P1 software testing
23:41.55jadamsand are there any othere decent ipkg repos than ScaredyCat's, or is that still the goto guy?
23:42.00jadamshhf423: k
23:42.30hhf423jadams: scaredycat repository still the one to go
23:43.03jadamshhf423: so BT is now 'sorta'
23:43.22jadamsI was about to flash my nokia 770 (something awful happened to it, UI's all b0rked)
23:43.34jadamsso I could play with wifi on the 770, paired over the bt to the neo
23:43.35polzoh, and the "noslices" option makes quite a difference for mplayer
23:43.40cesarbjadams: is scaredycat's repo the nslu2 one?
23:43.56jadamsI pass the question to hhf423
23:44.27hhf423oh, wow, USB connections now work to windows? cool stuff
23:44.45mdtcan someone tell me if /etc/alsa really disapeared or if i accidenatlly removed it with a package? to which package does it belong?
23:45.06jadamsdid they get rid of alsa for pulseaudio?
23:45.15hhf423cesarb: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Repositories
23:45.30jadamsor are those two things even competitors...?
23:46.14hhf423mdt: I think there are still alsa profiles in /etc, but the subdir is gone, no?
23:46.40cesarbjadams: alsa is the kernel drivers
23:46.48cesarbjadams: pulseaudio just a puny daemon
23:46.48mdthhf423, yes, here it's gone but i removed some packages... are those files somewhere else?
23:47.24hhf423mdt: I think the stuff from /etc/alsa is now in /etc
23:48.02mdthhf423, oups, that's right... hm, ugly.
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23:49.29hhf423yeah
23:52.07aloril(script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[Bootloader]]
23:52.11hhf423ok, off to sleep
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