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| 00:06.19 | cesarb | jseghers: wow, second hit :P |
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| 00:09.00 | Aria | Oh, sweet. bluez 3.16 includes the bluetooth alsa modules and dbus backend. Very swooft. |
| 00:09.57 | happycube | woot |
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| 00:29.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 778 has been created by <autobuild-report> |
| 00:29.01 | cdbot2 | * * uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-r14_d4a68f40a0389bb688477acfd23e957cb19443ad_0_2848-do_quilt |
| 00:29.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=778 |
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| 00:39.30 | matthew_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:41.50 | juri_ | you can have my neo, when you can pry it from my cold, unemployed fingers. ;) |
| 00:41.57 | jseghers_ | matthew: you can still order...it will just be on hold...from what I can read into it...and I've ordered another one since that message was put up |
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| 00:58.21 | cesarb | Is anyone else stuck at mtd-utils-native_1.0.0+git.bb? |
| 00:58.39 | cesarb | ./src/ubiupdatevol.c:42:20: error: config.h: No such file or directory |
| 00:58.44 | cesarb | ./src/ubiupdatevol.c:43:20: error: libubi.h: No such file or directory |
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| 01:11.57 | arw_ | hello |
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| 01:17.25 | abraxa_ | hellos |
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| 01:29.40 | dsilva | is there an ipkg providing sftp-server for openmoko? |
| 01:34.26 | rwhitby | dsilva: why sftp? most ipkg sites are plain http |
| 01:34.37 | rwhitby | oh, sorry, I misread your question. |
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| 01:35.17 | rwhitby | yes, there is an openssh-sftp ipkg |
| 01:35.36 | rwhitby | I believe dropbear will only do scp, not sftp |
| 01:35.49 | dsilva | in the standard repository? ipkg install openssh doesn't find it |
| 01:36.03 | dsilva | yeah, dropbear isn't doing sftp, which fuse sshfs requires |
| 01:36.23 | rwhitby | probably not. ask for it to be added to task-openmoko-feed.bb |
| 01:36.48 | rwhitby | dsilva: one reason why I think openmoko should use openssh instead of dropbear. |
| 01:36.53 | dsilva | ah you mean there's a source package that i can build with motomakefile then |
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| 01:39.33 | dsilva | there's a prebuilt ipkg at http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=openssh-sshd |
| 01:40.15 | dsilva | are armv5te binaries safe to use on the neo? wouldn't want sshd to die :o |
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| 01:42.08 | jseghers_ | I'm under the impression it's an ARM v4 processor... |
| 01:42.10 | rwhitby | moving from dropbear to openssh is already a tricky thing. |
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| 01:42.42 | rwhitby | dsilva: I'm updating the nslu2-linux.org openmoko feed to include all the openssh packages. |
| 01:42.43 | jseghers_ | But I'm sure rwhitby will know better than I :) |
| 01:42.44 | dsilva | jseghers_: yeah, that's why i was wondering |
| 01:42.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Manually_using_Bluetooth]] |
| 01:43.03 | dsilva | rwhitby: oh cool |
| 01:43.03 | rwhitby | (by adding them to task-openmoko-feed.bb) |
| 01:43.32 | jseghers_ | dsilva: my understanding is that you can typically run a lower arm V on a higher V...but not the other way around. |
| 01:43.33 | dsilva | the repository gets rebuilt from that feed every night or so? |
| 01:44.16 | dsilva | jseghers_: i was hoping that it would degrade nicely, but i guess i shouldn't risk it with something essential like sshd |
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| 01:44.59 | rwhitby | you want to do the change-over from dropbear to openshs in a terminal window on the device. |
| 01:45.14 | jseghers_ | dsilva: from http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column020624.htm: While ARM v5 CPUs provide backwards compatability and will run ARM v4 binaries without complaint, it doesn't work the other way around. |
| 01:46.29 | dsilva | jseghers_: hmm ok |
| 01:46.31 | dsilva | jseghers_: thanks |
| 01:47.02 | jseghers_ | dsilva: And from ARM's site: ARMv5TE |
| 01:47.02 | jseghers_ | In 1999, the ARMv5TE architecture introduced improvements to the Thumb architecture, along with ARM ‘Enhanced’ DSP instruction set extensions to the ARM ISA. |
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| 01:47.28 | dsilva | rwhitby: looking at nslu2-linux.org i don't see anything related to openmoko |
| 01:47.31 | xzcvczx | hmmmm fun time to recompile entire system] |
| 01:47.49 | rwhitby | dsilva: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/ |
| 01:48.04 | dsilva | rwhitby: great :) thanks |
| 01:48.38 | rwhitby | the nslu2-linux autobuild runs every 15 minutes (if it's not already building) and does all the nslu2-linux feeds. I've got it doing openmoko-devel-image and task-openmoko-feed now too. |
| 01:48.56 | dsilva | nice |
| 01:49.17 | dsilva | sounds a lot better than bitbaking it on my thinkpad |
| 01:49.21 | rwhitby | so to get a package added to that feed, you just need to get an OE developer to add the package name to task-openmoko-feed and bump the PR in the .bb file - the rest is automatic |
| 01:49.30 | dsilva | "running task 29 of 391"... |
| 01:50.46 | dsilva | to that feed? i thought that feed was yours? |
| 01:51.22 | dsilva | and that you extend your own task-openmoko-feed.bb |
| 01:51.44 | rwhitby | task-openmoko-feed is the OM-blessed way of determining what should be in the packages feed. |
| 01:52.08 | rwhitby | I believe OM will also be using it for the official feeds. I'm just getting the same thing going earlier, and in parallel for redundancy. |
| 01:52.23 | rwhitby | (mickey added that .bb file to OE specifically for this purpose) |
| 01:52.30 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat will probably use it too. |
| 01:52.46 | cesarb | rwhitby: hm, if the autobuild runs every 15 minutes, is it stopping with an error at mtd-utils-native, or is it just me? |
| 01:53.00 | rwhitby | cesarb: you can check at logs.nslu2-linux.org |
| 01:53.06 | cesarb | rwhitby: (is there a status page somewhere I can check?) |
| 01:53.09 | cesarb | rwhitby: ok |
| 01:53.38 | rwhitby | http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/buildlogs/autobuild-nudi-last.txt |
| 01:54.36 | rwhitby | (there's lots more than openmoko in the build, so builds can sometimes take much longer than 15 minutes) |
| 01:55.21 | cesarb | rwhitby: hm, it didn't even try to build that |
| 01:55.39 | rwhitby | cesarb: right, it only does incremental builds |
| 01:55.47 | cesarb | rwhitby: perhaps clobbering my build tree yesterday to free the disk space used by outdated revisions of the packages wasn't a good idea |
| 01:56.12 | cesarb | rwhitby: bitbake probably doesn't know that that package will build differently, perhaps because it gets things from git |
| 01:56.21 | rwhitby | if the OM developers are using the PR variable correctly, then there shouldn't be a difference. but they are not. |
| 01:57.10 | cesarb | rwhitby: PR = "r4" |
| 01:57.30 | cesarb | and the SRC_URI has git://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git;protocol=git;tag=master |
| 01:59.09 | rwhitby | so it's a floating configuration due to the git repo not having a fixed revision |
| 01:59.19 | rwhitby | hence all bets are off for repeatability of builds |
| 01:59.34 | rwhitby | (from #oe: <CIA-17> rwhitby org.oe.dev * r1d0439f6... / (1 packages/tasks/task-openmoko-feed.bb): task-openmoko-feed: added openssh packages) |
| 02:00.14 | cesarb | rwhitby: hm, so if I use my overlay tree to force it to use a fixed tag for the git checkout... |
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| 02:00.22 | bedboi | hi there. |
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| 02:02.38 | rwhitby | dsilva: the openssh packages should be up on nslu2-linux within a couple of hours I expect. It's currently doing the daily build caused by "svnnow" packages. |
| 02:03.21 | dsilva | rwhitby: very cool |
| 02:04.16 | dsilva | rwhitby: two hours for the incremental build, right? |
| 02:04.21 | dsilva | rwhitby: not 2 hrs to rebuild everything |
| 02:04.25 | cesarb | rwhitby: could I use SANE_SRCDATE or some similar mechanism instead? |
| 02:04.46 | rwhitby | cesarb: probably |
| 02:10.36 | cesarb | rwhitby: adding it to my overlay tree worked, I changed from master to 2a032bca585e27ceb0f293905718b416bc297ce2 |
| 02:11.00 | cesarb | rwhitby: now, where in openembedded should I report this so it will added in some relevant configuration file somewhere? |
| 02:11.58 | dsilva | cesarb: when you blow away chunks of your build tree, is removing the right stamps enough to get bitbake healthy again? |
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| 02:13.31 | cesarb | dsilva: I don't know, I always use "make clean-package-<foo>" when I want to blow part of the build tree, or just remove the whole build/tmp when I want to nuke everything |
| 02:13.44 | dsilva | oh ok |
| 02:14.40 | cesarb | great, ANOTHER build failure, this time of the "date wrap" kind |
| 02:16.45 | cesarb | dsilva: ...which, btw, is probably the answer you were looking for... "make force-rebuild" removes both the work directory and the corresponding timestamp, so that should be enough |
| 02:17.21 | cesarb | wtf, "find"? |
| 02:17.22 | dsilva | cesarb: force-rebuild-<package> ? |
| 02:18.02 | cesarb | dsilva: no, look at how it does... force-rebuild is AFAIK to fix the date wraparound issue, and it nukes a build package completely so bitbake will rebuild it if I understand it correctly |
| 02:18.07 | dsilva | cesarb: yeah, it's kind of annoying that it rebuilds a bunch of tools that are already in your userspace |
| 02:18.41 | cesarb | dsilva: that's for reproducibility (sp?), so everyone is using the same set of tools. It's actually a Good Thing. |
| 02:18.59 | dsilva | cesarb: hmm ok, i'll try it tomorrow because for now I absolutely cannot lose the arm gcc cross-compiler in that tree |
| 02:20.20 | cesarb | dsilva: force-rebuild will not lose the cross-compilers, it does not force a full rebuild like clobber does |
| 02:20.33 | cesarb | dsilva: it only forces a full rebuild of the "+svn<date>" packages |
| 02:20.37 | dsilva | cesarb: oh i see |
| 02:20.45 | cesarb | dsilva: which fail a build if you cross the midnight |
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| 02:29.36 | cesarb | rwhitby: new patch for mokomakefile, http://pastebin.ca/675395, which changes force-rebuild to not waste several minutes recursing down huge source trees (and it might also be a bit safer in avoiding accidentally erasing what it shouldn't) |
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| 03:09.41 | xzcvczx | ah dangit.... worst thing possible..... linux doesnt recognise my network card |
| 03:10.33 | legion_ | is that even possible |
| 03:10.52 | shackan | you're not even supposed to be here right now then |
| 03:11.34 | cjb | what card is it? |
| 03:12.53 | legion_ | its an isa ethernet card. no 8p8c connecter, just a bnc |
| 03:14.41 | Aria | Man, 10base2. Those were the days. |
| 03:14.42 | Aria | (not) |
| 03:16.01 | xzcvczx | lol its a Attrensic thing\ |
| 03:16.18 | xzcvczx | not supported til 22 without patching and my liveCD is only built on 19 |
| 03:17.39 | rwhitby | cesarb: won't that echo fail with command line too long in a worst case? |
| 03:18.56 | rwhitby | (that's the reason I used find. I should put a depth limit on it I guess) |
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| 03:30.45 | arw_ | bye |
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| 03:35.47 | Aria | Woo! |
| 03:36.29 | Aria | Am I the only one who thinks of "DFU" as "De-Fuck-Up"? |
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| 03:42.32 | raster | homies |
| 03:43.00 | gcb77 | doh, we can receive sms yes, can we :( |
| 03:43.22 | gcb77 | lol, that came out totally wrong... let me try again |
| 03:43.28 | Aria | Nope. |
| 03:43.30 | Aria | Can't. |
| 03:43.45 | gcb77 | I guess I won't be getting my account password then |
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| 03:44.43 | Aria | Slip it in another phone? |
| 03:45.00 | raster | passwords are for the weak and feeble |
| 03:45.03 | gcb77 | My other phones are Verizon |
| 03:45.38 | gcb77 | that was horrible... When I was picking up the SIM card I saw my KRZR in the store, with Java Apps |
| 03:45.52 | gcb77 | I have the locked/brewed up Verizon version of it |
| 03:45.57 | Aria | Oh, lovely. |
| 03:46.13 | Aria | The carriers do such evil things to otherwise acceptable items |
| 03:47.14 | gcb77 | I was about to push the enter button and start flashing it with Alltel firmware, when somebody pointed me to the OpenMoko site :D |
| 03:47.25 | raster | mostly a us/jp problem. |
| 03:47.46 | raster | the rest of the world has it much better |
| 03:47.55 | Aria | Yeah. For sure. |
| 03:48.13 | roh | hm.. who did the gsm power off measurements recently? |
| 03:49.53 | gcb77 | roh: I just tried it and it didn't crash the panel |
| 03:50.27 | roh | gcb77 i know.. i just have a idea what else to try to make it take less power in power-off |
| 03:51.12 | roh | SpeedEvil |
| 03:51.20 | roh | at least my log says so ;) |
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| 04:19.24 | gcb77 | Is there a way to tell what the phone is consuming? |
| 04:19.38 | SpeedEvil | Not without external hardware. |
| 04:19.59 | SpeedEvil | roh: I did - a bit. |
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| 04:20.51 | SpeedEvil | Briefly 30mA, when 'off' (power button/shutdown -h), 15mA with modem off too. |
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| 04:21.15 | SpeedEvil | I'm assuming that the remaining drains are the audio chips. |
| 04:21.53 | legion_ | can you not switch them off? |
| 04:22.19 | legion_ | i messed with the creative labs audigy card and i know that dsp had an off command |
| 04:22.47 | SpeedEvil | In principle, they can be switched off. |
| 04:22.58 | SpeedEvil | Finding the right magic to turn them off isn't trivial. |
| 04:23.22 | legion_ | well whats the chip |
| 04:24.25 | SpeedEvil | the LM* chip and the WM* |
| 04:24.54 | SpeedEvil | briefly the 'soundcard' and the 'speaker amp' |
| 04:27.21 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: this chip is very dumb |
| 04:27.22 | blindcoder | moin |
| 04:27.31 | cw666 | any power on/off would be external to the chip i assume |
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| 04:27.58 | bedboi | any dbus-er out there? |
| 04:28.15 | SpeedEvil | cw666: which chip? |
| 04:28.20 | legion_ | http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/uploads/documents/en/WM8753.pdf page 72 |
| 04:28.28 | SpeedEvil | Both can be commanded off via I2C |
| 04:28.31 | roh | SpeedEvil repeat the at@poff measurements. and then do one thing: |
| 04:28.52 | roh | echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on |
| 04:28.58 | roh | after the @poff |
| 04:29.08 | roh | and retry if its still 30mA |
| 04:29.19 | SpeedEvil | No, it went down to 15mA after @poff |
| 04:29.57 | cw666 | legion_: ah, good to know |
| 04:30.01 | roh | 15 with or without the 0> ? |
| 04:30.13 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't - as I should have - try calling the phone, I assumed it was off due to the lower current and lack of response to commands |
| 04:30.30 | SpeedEvil | without - isn't that the normal state? |
| 04:30.43 | SpeedEvil | wouldn't it just go back on if the state was '1'? |
| 04:30.53 | roh | SpeedEvil how to you measure the current.. from the battery when connected via BT for ip? |
| 04:31.10 | SpeedEvil | No, cut power wire, and use usb-net |
| 04:31.37 | roh | ah.. so not really current to the device bug to the phone |
| 04:31.55 | SpeedEvil | cut USB power wire |
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| 04:32.08 | cw666 | roh: he's measuring it from between the battery and the device |
| 04:32.13 | roh | AAAH |
| 04:32.19 | roh | now it makes sense to me |
| 04:32.21 | cw666 | which is really what counts |
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| 04:32.32 | roh | cw666 of course |
| 04:32.53 | cw666 | roh: btw, i'm logging on my device power values for charging, etc |
| 04:32.56 | SpeedEvil | Oddly I found that at 100Mhz, the CPU can go down to 1200mV, and still mostly work. |
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| 04:33.03 | SpeedEvil | Audio seems to drop out at 1500 |
| 04:33.05 | cw666 | im worried right now that it's continually charging actually |
| 04:33.18 | SpeedEvil | chgcur has an offset I think. |
| 04:33.26 | SpeedEvil | And could probably do with more filtering. |
| 04:33.30 | cw666 | chgcur is almost useless as-is |
| 04:33.40 | cw666 | it needs so many measurements to get anything sane from it |
| 04:33.42 | SpeedEvil | If it was in fact continulaly charging, it would rise over 4200mV |
| 04:33.57 | cw666 | 1188443790 4230 480 12 fast_cccv 0 0 1 0 5050 |
| 04:33.57 | cw666 | 1188443851 4218 746 12 fast_cccv 0 0 1 0 5050 |
| 04:33.57 | cw666 | 1188443911 4236 746 12 fast_cccv 0 0 1 0 5050 |
| 04:33.57 | cw666 | 1188443972 4230 746 12 fast_cccv 0 0 1 0 5050 |
| 04:33.57 | cw666 | 1188444032 4207 853 12 fast_cccv 0 0 1 0 5050 |
| 04:33.59 | roh | SpeedEvil the clocks have influence on the plls whcih are needed for i2s data streaming to the codec... at least that is what i assume |
| 04:34.00 | cw666 | 1188444093 4218 480 12 fast_cccv 0 0 1 0 5050 |
| 04:34.02 | cw666 | 1188444153 4218 746 12 fast_cccv 0 0 1 0 5050 |
| 04:34.05 | cw666 | 1188444214 4212 800 10 fast_cccv 0 0 1 0 5050 |
| 04:34.07 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: so it is over 4.2V |
| 04:34.22 | SpeedEvil | cw666: I mean 4.5V or so |
| 04:34.44 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: well, given the battery was quite warm i powered it off |
| 04:34.51 | SpeedEvil | 4212 is probably not measuring >4.2 with precision. |
| 04:34.55 | cw666 | until i get a steel bucket to put it in |
| 04:34.59 | cw666 | of course |
| 04:35.32 | cw666 | anyhow, i didnt measure current draw but the batter is quite warm to the touch |
| 04:35.36 | SpeedEvil | roh: Not playing with the clocks - just reducing the core voltage - but screwing up the PLLs is a fair assumption as to the reason. |
| 04:36.01 | SpeedEvil | cw666: 40C, 60C, 80C? |
| 04:36.06 | roh | youre playing woth a p1? |
| 04:36.11 | SpeedEvil | roh: yes. |
| 04:36.24 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: touch :-) touch can't measure temperature reliably |
| 04:36.27 | roh | ok.. just checking which gsm firmware youre using ;=) |
| 04:36.28 | SpeedEvil | I understand that there is some voltage granularity, I need to investigate that more. |
| 04:36.46 | cw666 | roh: how do you check the gsm firmware version? i wondered about that here |
| 04:37.01 | cw666 | the firmware i have gets all upset and i have to power cycles the gsm module to get it back |
| 04:37.15 | SpeedEvil | cw666: Sure it can. 40C is a little warmer than body heat, 60C is comfortable to touch for only short periods, and 80C is 'ow'. |
| 04:37.37 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: yes and no, fingers aren't 40C, they can in fact be a lot lower |
| 04:37.44 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
| 04:37.53 | roh | cw666 AT+CGMR |
| 04:38.00 | cw666 | and it's hot as hell in SF right now, so it's entirely subjective, except to say that it felt warm to my hot-me |
| 04:38.02 | SpeedEvil | It's warmer than sticking your fingers into your armpit. |
| 04:38.03 | cw666 | very hot |
| 04:38.06 | cw666 | yes, im hot |
| 04:38.27 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: i dont know actually, i would guess yes but it's off now |
| 04:38.29 | cw666 | i might measure it tomorrow |
| 04:38.33 | SpeedEvil | Or IIRC the core body temperature of a chicken. |
| 04:38.42 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: i dont have any chickens handy |
| 04:38.56 | cw666 | at least not alive ones that i feel like i need to probe deeply |
| 04:39.03 | legion_ | woah this audio amp does do i2c, everything is smart these days |
| 04:39.27 | cw666 | roh: can the firmware be upgrade in the field? via some magic AT sequence? |
| 04:39.43 | SpeedEvil | Annoyingly - mp3 audio playback _almost_ works at 1.5Vcore at 100Mhz - but the sound is slightly intermittent. |
| 04:40.22 | roh | cw666 not via AT, but in theory thats possible. |
| 04:41.03 | cw666 | roh: ok, i ask this because i wonder if it's not a tad quirky/buggy and if newer firmware might appear sometime |
| 04:41.08 | roh | cw666 we cannot release a firmware flasher yet for 3rd party reasons yet. i'm sorry.. but thats all i can tell you about it |
| 04:42.28 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: actually, shutdown failed, so it's still on ... and yes, much warmer than my armpit |
| 04:42.46 | cw666 | of course the device has crashed now so i have to rm the battery |
| 04:43.19 | cw666 | roh: btw, it would be nice for the next phones if the BT could be NON-USB connected |
| 04:43.35 | cw666 | roh: something that uses a less power-unfriendly icky bus |
| 04:44.12 | SpeedEvil | It's not that bad. |
| 04:44.24 | legion_ | blue tooth is a usb device? |
| 04:44.24 | rwhitby | looking at the PCB, the BT is on the same interface SDIO) as the wifif |
| 04:44.25 | SpeedEvil | As long as it can raise wake signals. |
| 04:44.29 | roh | cw666 we know. but since the alternative currently is spi, atleast with the chipsets i know thats no solution for high-bandwith bluetooth apps |
| 04:44.30 | SpeedEvil | which it can. |
| 04:44.33 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: it can't wake the CPU |
| 04:44.47 | SpeedEvil | however, not in the present implementation. |
| 04:44.59 | SpeedEvil | if there were a couple of extra wires on the FPC, it could. |
| 04:45.04 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: you're saying side-band a wake signal? |
| 04:45.23 | hozer | so.. um, how do I upgrade u-boot nicely? |
| 04:45.23 | SpeedEvil | the bluetooth module supports 'turn off USB' input, and 'I have a event' output |
| 04:45.36 | SpeedEvil | (but does not have those wires exported |
| 04:45.39 | roh | SpeedEvil the extra gpio are used for wifi co-op already in newer hardware |
| 04:45.56 | SpeedEvil | so in principle, GTA03 could have that feature, but not 02 |
| 04:46.22 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: btw, if you get a chance i'd would be a nice to see a pic of your copper-tape battery thang for reference |
| 04:46.57 | cw666 | hozer: dont unless you need to |
| 04:47.38 | hozer | cw666: I am getting annoyed with the uboot turning off after 60 seconds or so |
| 04:47.44 | roh | hozer you flash it via dfu-util. if you don't have a debug board it would be a good idea to stick to tested builds |
| 04:48.02 | cw666 | oh, go for it then |
| 04:48.09 | hozer | I'm just wondering what are the tested builds |
| 04:48.23 | cw666 | i have one being dropped off tomorrow so i'll probably do it myself then, because yeah, the 60s turnoff is annoying |
| 04:48.26 | roh | then have fun. ive flashed one on my bv4 built yesterday |
| 04:48.34 | hozer | I suppose I should just go test the one I just built |
| 04:48.48 | cw666 | qemu might not be a bad idea to test uboot |
| 04:49.02 | roh | u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git3e66c078003607a7d1d214c15a5f262bc1b4032f+svn20070829-r2.bin works for me |
| 04:49.22 | SpeedEvil | cw666: Quite simple. Take 8cm*2mm of copper tape. 4cm*4mm of copper tape backing (card would work better) stick copper tape along the long side, then back up, and then cut off the end. So you have a copper strip on either side of the card. Attach wires to the copper tape. Tape to the battery over the "+" electrode, along the length of the battery, with enough over that it can be folded down over the battery contact. |
| 04:49.33 | roh | if you want i can upload it quickly |
| 04:50.16 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: ok, so did you figure out what the last 15mA or so was caused by? |
| 04:50.49 | SpeedEvil | It's a supposition. |
| 04:50.54 | roh | http://people.openmoko.org/roh/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git3e66c078003607a7d1d214c15a5f262bc1b4032f+svn20070829-r2.bin |
| 04:51.33 | SpeedEvil | Actually, it can probably only be the LM* chip - as the WM* chip isn't connected to teh battery directly. |
| 04:53.02 | legion_ | yeah that draw seems to match what the doc said for any mode other than 0 |
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| 04:53.50 | roh | I(SD) should be 0.2-3 uA |
| 04:54.19 | SpeedEvil | suspend-RAM shouldn't be more than a milliamp tops. |
| 04:55.07 | cw666 | roh: HW: GTA01Bv4, GSM: gsm_ac_gp_fd_pu_em_cph_ds_vc_cal35_ri_36_amd8_ts0-Moko1 |
| 04:55.15 | cw666 | which i assume is the most recent |
| 04:55.27 | roh | cw666 it is what we delivered with P1 |
| 04:55.51 | SpeedEvil | It is a bit annoying that the calypso chipset seemingly draws rather a lot in standby. (compared to forex my nk3300) |
| 04:56.31 | SpeedEvil | Though to be fair that may only be dualband - I'm unsure. |
| 04:57.23 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: what does it draw when idle? |
| 04:59.11 | SpeedEvil | I don't know - I know it gets 5 days on a 800mAh battery. |
| 04:59.23 | SpeedEvil | Or about 8mA |
| 04:59.31 | cw666 | idle or off? |
| 04:59.35 | SpeedEvil | standby |
| 04:59.40 | SpeedEvil | (the nokia) |
| 04:59.49 | cw666 | right, my nokia gets something like that too |
| 05:00.01 | cw666 | i mean the calypso, what does it do? |
| 05:00.02 | hozer | hrrm... my latest uboot build seems to have some issues with /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 05:00.10 | SpeedEvil | Seems to be 15mA |
| 05:00.20 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: that sounds right, other modules claim 17mA or so |
| 05:03.04 | cw666 | roh: some commands take a tad over 5s sometimes, i suspect newer firmware might address that |
| 05:03.15 | cw666 | (given similar devices respond fairly quickly) |
| 05:03.57 | hozer | roh: have you tried cu with /dev/ttyACM0 with that uboot build? |
| 05:04.11 | roh | cw666 i dunno |
| 05:04.28 | roh | hozer nope... but i can |
| 05:05.40 | hozer | try it.. |
| 05:05.44 | hozer | it seems .. weird |
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| 05:05.54 | hozer | do you use minicom? |
| 05:05.58 | cw666 | roh: basically, the delays are long enough that gsmd falls over pretty often |
| 05:06.50 | hozer | troy@lyta:/extra/moko/images/openmoko$ cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 05:06.50 | hozer | Connected. |
| 05:06.51 | hozer | In: usbtty |
| 05:06.51 | hozer | OIn: usbtty |
| 05:06.51 | hozer | O_?Y?U?U?W?E?U*????U??q?L?U??In:ut: usbtty |
| 05:06.51 | hozer | Err: usbtty |
| 05:06.53 | hozer | DEVICE_CONFIGURED: ?U?_1 |
| 05:06.55 | hozer | Enabling auto usbtty |
| 05:07.23 | roh | hozer uuuuh.. thats indeed a bug |
| 05:07.38 | roh | same here |
| 05:08.03 | hozer | so, you want to file that, or should I? |
| 05:08.17 | hozer | that's my third bug today :0 |
| 05:08.23 | roh | hozer feel free |
| 05:08.37 | hozer | I was hoping you'd do it ;0 |
| 05:08.40 | hozer | err ;) |
| 05:08.58 | cw666 | roh: so is there are list of moko specific AT+ magic? |
| 05:09.00 | cw666 | i didnt see one |
| 05:09.24 | roh | https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem has some |
| 05:09.53 | cw666 | thanks |
| 05:10.21 | roh | https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands has some more |
| 05:11.47 | hozer | okay, now that works *much* better than the emulator |
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| 05:12.33 | cw666 | roh: sidetone levels mean what? |
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| 05:13.04 | mickey|ICE676 | *yawn* |
| 05:13.04 | mickey|ICE676 | morning folks |
| 05:13.04 | mickey|ICE676 | abraxa_: ping |
| 05:13.24 | abraxa_ | mickey|ICE676: I'm here, what's up? :) |
| 05:13.26 | roh | cw666 the mix from mic to reciever. people need that to not believe its broken. |
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| 05:13.41 | xzcvczx | mickey|ICE676: how was the witch |
| 05:13.43 | xzcvczx | oops |
| 05:13.47 | mickey|ICE676 | abraxa_: ah cool. can you mail me a sample playlist? i want to check whether playing works :) |
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| 05:13.49 | xzcvczx | s/witch/mother in law |
| 05:13.54 | mickey|ICE676 | heh |
| 05:14.13 | roh | morning mickey |
| 05:14.15 | abraxa_ | mickey|ICE676: Sure thing |
| 05:14.23 | mickey|ICE676 | xzcvczx: actually she's very nice.... NOW, that is. she wasn't in the early years, but now she gave in and realized there won't be another man :D |
| 05:14.30 | xzcvczx | lol |
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| 05:16.36 | mickey|ICE676 | i guess now that i'm a dr. and my bank account is >= 0 i'm good enough for her daughter |
| 05:16.36 | mickey|ICE676 | heh |
| 05:17.58 | mickey|ICE676 | roh: morning! |
| 05:17.59 | mickey|ICE676 | i even don't know which kind of audience this is |
| 05:17.59 | mickey|ICE676 | looks like symbian and WM weenies |
| 05:18.00 | mickey|ICE676 | ;) |
| 05:18.12 | roh | hrrrr |
| 05:18.27 | abraxa_ | mickey|ICE676: Mail sent |
| 05:18.39 | SpeedEvil | plagarism. "I have a dream"... |
| 05:19.13 | roh | SpeedEvil we don't dream.. we just do it... through concrete walls with a bulldozer if needed |
| 05:19.45 | cw666 | does anyone know if anyone on the list has T-Mobile GPRS working? something is slightly off here |
| 05:19.58 | mickey|ICE676 | well, TT and Motorola are cosponsoring the event, so i guess i don't need to tell about why to put OSS on a phone |
| 05:19.58 | mickey|ICE676 | but rather _how_ it should be |
| 05:20.00 | cw666 | t-mobile tried to help but it took like 15 minutes before they could tell me the APN :-/ |
| 05:20.20 | stefan_schmidt | *yaaaawwwwnnnn* |
| 05:20.23 | mickey|ICE676 | roh: heh, i like that metaphor :) |
| 05:20.29 | mickey|ICE676 | heyyyy stefan_schmidt |
| 05:20.30 | stefan_schmidt | morning mickey|ICE676 |
| 05:20.32 | mickey|ICE676 | good morning! |
| 05:20.32 | cw666 | mickey|ICE676: you can't claim it *is* done right |
| 05:20.37 | mickey|ICE676 | cw666: right |
| 05:20.57 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|ICE676: "LInux is now mobile"? *caught* |
| 05:21.03 | mickey|ICE676 | stefan_schmidt: carrier 12, seat 43. |
| 05:21.08 | mickey|ICE676 | stefan_schmidt: hehe |
| 05:21.34 | mickey|ICE676 | stefan_schmidt: seats 31 |
| 05:21.35 | roh | mickey why not be offensive? now where apple followers are starting to insult us and spread FUD it seams they already see us as rival |
| 05:21.45 | mickey|ICE676 | + 32 were not next to each other |
| 05:21.47 | mickey|ICE676 | so i moved |
| 05:21.48 | cw666 | roh: what is the point of AT@POFF? given you can just externally power it down? |
| 05:21.59 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|ICE676: ok, table? |
| 05:22.00 | mickey|ICE676 | roh: yeah, that report is pretty polemic :/ |
| 05:22.07 | roh | cw666 nope. in gta01 there is no main power switch |
| 05:22.10 | mickey|ICE676 | stefan_schmidt: unfortunately not. all tables are reserved |
| 05:22.16 | mickey|ICE676 | (that's probably why we couldn't get one) |
| 05:22.20 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|ICE676: next train |
| 05:22.23 | hozer | what are the apple weenies saying? |
| 05:22.41 | stefan_schmidt | anyway, shutdown to catch my first train. Later guys |
| 05:22.47 | roh | mickey i see that report as 'credits'. it means they are in enough panic already |
| 05:23.29 | cw666 | roh: what is /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on for then? |
| 05:23.38 | SpeedEvil | It's a virtual 'power button' |
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| 05:23.43 | mickey|ICE676 | yep |
| 05:23.43 | mickey|ICE676 | where was this FUD blog entry? |
| 05:23.43 | mickey|ICE676 | don't have it offhand |
| 05:23.50 | cw666 | huh? it seems to work |
| 05:23.51 | roh | cw666 pressing the power-on button on the pmu inside the gsm blackbox |
| 05:23.51 | SpeedEvil | the chipset was designed to have a physical button to turn it on |
| 05:24.00 | cw666 | in that if i power it off/on it looks like the module restarts |
| 05:24.20 | roh | cw666 also the sysctl switches the latch between gsm and serial to the debugboard |
| 05:24.40 | cw666 | roh: i use that to 'reset' the module when it gets upset ... so for that it works |
| 05:24.54 | cw666 | but i take it that when it's 'off' it doesnt really prevent power draw then? |
| 05:25.00 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 05:25.04 | roh | cw666 its a soft reset on rising flank |
| 05:25.07 | SpeedEvil | If you power down (off button) |
| 05:25.12 | SpeedEvil | then call the phone |
| 05:25.27 | cw666 | oh, i never tried that |
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| 05:25.31 | SpeedEvil | it will be engaged, not 'off' |
| 05:25.42 | cw666 | i need to find my number to test that :) |
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| 05:28.46 | hozer | is there any equivalent to the 'linux-headers-2.6.x.foo' debian package for OM? |
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| 05:34.00 | rwhitby | mickey|ICE676: can we consider changing dropbear to openssh in openmoko, since you need openssh-sftp for sshfs ? |
| 05:35.11 | abraxa_ | I take it this is the FUD comparison mentioned: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html |
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| 05:36.47 | CM | abraxa_: I just looked through the logs to find it, but I guess I'm too slow before my morning coffee. ;) |
| 05:37.56 | mickey|ICE676 | abraxa_: that's it |
| 05:38.00 | abraxa_ | CM: Don't worry, this is a link that doesn't need being memorized anyway (not like the URL would make it easy anyway) |
| 05:38.09 | mickey|ICE676 | rwhitby: yes, I'll think about it. we should have enough space on the neo |
| 05:38.39 | mickey|ICE676 | sshfs is incredibly useful |
| 05:39.39 | hozer | well.. instead of changeing it... can you make openssh be an optional ipkg |
| 05:40.00 | hozer | which does an /etc/alternatives replacement for dropbear |
| 05:40.31 | mickey|ICE676 | abraxa_: btw, we need to make it a bit more solid, e.g. it crashes if it can't build the gst pipeline. we should rather open a dialog box and tell the user to install gst-meta-audio or so |
| 05:40.35 | rwhitby | hozer: the trouble is the if you do that changeover in a naive manner from a usbnet connection, your connection dies and you can't get back in |
| 05:40.54 | rwhitby | you have to use nohup or && on a single line |
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| 05:41.26 | hozer | so.. what happens on a debian box if you install dropbear |
| 05:41.41 | rwhitby | on the nslu2, at least, openssh is also three times faster than dropbear. |
| 05:41.58 | hozer | I upgrade SSH all the time remotely on debian boxes |
| 05:42.00 | CM | What's the size difference? |
| 05:42.26 | rwhitby | hozer: openembedded is not the same as debian. at the moment, if you do it on openssh the connection dies |
| 05:42.54 | abraxa_ | mickey|ICE676: Yeah, agreed - I'm not too sure on how verbose the player should be, though... do messages on stderr suffice for such things or do we want to nag the user about such errors all the time? |
| 05:43.04 | hozer | so, why can't openembedded do the 'right' thing like debian does |
| 05:43.33 | hozer | but I suppose if it's not much bigger (memory footprint wise) , then switch |
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| 05:44.01 | rwhitby | hozer: nslu2 has 32 mb ram and 8mb flash, and we decided to switch :-) |
| 05:45.16 | abraxa_ | mickey|ICE676: Another issue I want resolved is the problem that when started and resuming playback, the player starts gstreamer playback while the UI is still being built - I couldn't find a proper way to ask GTK when it has finished doing that |
| 05:46.32 | mickey|ICE676 | really? |
| 05:46.35 | mickey|ICE676 | that's surprising me |
| 05:46.44 | mickey|ICE676 | dropbear was supposed to be light _and_ fast |
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| 05:47.27 | mickey|ICE676 | abraxa_: ok, once i can get it to play something i'll think about that |
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| 05:47.53 | rwhitby | mickey|ICE676: the speed comparison was 1.5 years ago, and we put it down to openssh having arm optimisations for the crypto algorithms. |
| 05:48.14 | rwhitby | dropbear may have got better. Dunno, cause I never use it anymore :-) |
| 05:48.26 | rwhitby | (sshfs is too convenient) |
| 05:51.29 | hozer | and.. um it's not shutting down cleanly :P |
| 05:51.50 | hozer | I did halt, and now the phone is kinda sitting there doing who the heck knows what |
| 06:00.05 | mickey|ICE676 | strange. i don't have problems with shutting done since months |
| 06:00.06 | mickey|ICE676 | are you using the power button menu? |
| 06:02.06 | cw666 | so gprs on this fails on the macbook too |
| 06:02.08 | cw666 | i think |
| 06:02.19 | cw666 | if i could figure out how to su there i would tcpdump and look harder |
| 06:02.25 | gcb77 | mickey|ICE676: yes, I use the power button menu all the time |
| 06:02.39 | Aria | sudo -s |
| 06:02.41 | gcb77 | mickey|ICE676: I was wondering if there was a way to swap orientation from the terminal |
| 06:02.43 | CM | hozer: That happens to me all the time if I touch the /dev/mtd* blocks |
| 06:02.52 | Aria | gcb77: xrandr |
| 06:03.11 | gcb77 | Aria: awesome, thank you |
| 06:03.34 | cw666 | gcb77: xrandr -o <n> |
| 06:03.43 | mickey|ICE676 | strange. are you sure you have the new uboot that erases the complete rootfs? |
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| 06:04.20 | mickey|ICE676 | good morning LaF0rge |
| 06:05.15 | roh | morning LaF0rge |
| 06:05.22 | mickey|ICE676 | gcb77: I'll shortly code an own openmoko-terminal based on vte and that will get a menu for most-important-commands |
| 06:06.33 | gcb77 | mickey|ICE676: that's great, thank you. This thing's really coming together. |
| 06:07.39 | gcb77 | woo hoo, this thing really does have a GPS! (I'm running the satscan tool posted on the lists) |
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| 06:10.15 | mickey|ICE676 | is tabbed terminal important for you guys? |
| 06:10.32 | CM | I don't think so |
| 06:10.44 | CM | Since you can have several terminals open anyway |
| 06:10.56 | gcb77 | I've used it a few times, but with the new UI its easy to get another one going |
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| 06:12.48 | aloril | (script) planet: Thomas Wood: OpenMoko 2007.2 http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/08/21/openmoko-20072/ |
| 06:15.06 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r2854 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/src/ (12 files): |
| 06:15.06 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Cleared dialog titles |
| 06:15.06 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Added fade-in on session resume |
| 06:15.06 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Improved gstreamer error handling |
| 06:15.06 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Various minor improvements/bugfixes |
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| 06:16.12 | CM | abraxa_: Is the media player available in the current builds? Any screenshots? :D |
| 06:16.54 | abraxa_ | CM: It is available now, however currently only handles pre-made playlists - fixing that is next on my agenda |
| 06:17.04 | CM | Ok, cool :) |
| 06:17.29 | mickeyl_ | anyone knowing lennart p.? i need to talk w/ him. the gstreamer pulseaudio sink is taking a whole lot of resources. we can only play gstreamer directly over alsa |
| 06:17.42 | cw666 | roh: one other thing i wondered about, right now on calls there is bad echo ... might AT@AUL be used to address this at a later time? |
| 06:17.52 | rwhitby | nslu2-linux autobuilder is currently building task-openmoko-native-sdk and task-openmoko-feed (and all the packages those two rdepend on) |
| 06:18.17 | abraxa_ | CM: As about the UI - I'm pretty much using the same layout as http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Screen_music_player.png so there's not too much new to see honestly |
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| 06:19.31 | CM | abraxa_: Ok, fair enough. Just curious what it looked like. Thanks :) |
| 06:19.42 | abraxa_ | mickeyl_: Is that the reason why playback uses >80% CPU? |
| 06:20.15 | mickeyl_ | abraxa_: depends on how you build the pipeline |
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| 06:20.21 | mickeyl_ | the best way to build it right now is |
| 06:20.27 | mickeyl_ | filesrc ! mad ! alsa |
| 06:20.36 | mickeyl_ | takes about 25% |
| 06:20.51 | abraxa_ | Should I hardcode that instead of using the playbin? |
| 06:20.56 | CM | abraxa_: Btw, I'm a big fan of Muine's UI: http://www.muine-player.org/wiki/Image:CMMainPageScreenshot.png ;) |
| 06:20.58 | cw666 | wtf; my RAZR can surf whilst it has a GPRS connection over BT going |
| 06:21.00 | abraxa_ | Using the decodebin, that is |
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| 06:21.07 | cw666 | i wonder how it does that, some alternative for web cruft? |
| 06:21.24 | mickeyl_ | abraxa_: yes, once you detect a mp3, you should use this pipeline instead of the generic playbin |
| 06:21.46 | mickeyl_ | same goes for ogg (but w/ vorbis or whatever instead of mad) |
| 06:22.00 | abraxa_ | mickeyl_: Okay, I'll do that then :) |
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| 06:22.08 | mickeyl_ | cool, thanks |
| 06:22.24 | mickeyl_ | for gta01 we really need to use specialized pipelines |
| 06:22.29 | mickeyl_ | gta02 should be able to just use the playbin |
| 06:22.46 | mickeyl_ | althoug specialized ones are beneficial anyways because they save energy |
| 06:22.58 | cw666 | mickeyl_: what do you mean here by specialize pipelines? |
| 06:23.06 | CM | mickeyl_: I don't know lennart, but the email stated on his homepage says mzvzcerffhz@0pointer.de |
| 06:23.09 | cw666 | +d |
| 06:23.19 | mickeyl_ | specialized = you completely specify the complete pipeline |
| 06:23.33 | cw666 | how does that save energy? |
| 06:23.36 | mickeyl_ | standard = you use smart elements like playbin, decodebin, etc. |
| 06:23.45 | mickeyl_ | less CPU usage, less energy consimption |
| 06:24.01 | cw666 | ah, k |
| 06:24.46 | rwhitby | dsilva: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/unstable/armv4t/openssh-sftp_4.6p1-r2_armv4t.ipk (for sshfs) |
| 06:25.14 | mickeyl_ | anyone ever played with aufs? |
| 06:25.22 | mickeyl_ | they claim to be better than unionfs |
| 06:25.34 | abraxa_ | CM: The UI is interesting indeed, though to me it lacks important features (=buttons) ;x |
| 06:25.54 | CM | abraxa_: What buttons? |
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| 06:26.51 | abraxa_ | CM: Volume up/down (or a slider), ffwd, rew, shuffle, repeat and such |
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| 06:27.44 | CM | abraxa_: I agree on the shuffle/repeat thing, but the forward and rev is there, and the volume button is a slider when you press it |
| 06:28.05 | abraxa_ | Interesting concept |
| 06:28.22 | abraxa_ | Might be a tad awkward to use with just a finger, though? |
| 06:28.59 | CM | abraxa_: Hmm.. Might be, I haven't tried. That volume button is the same as YouTube and all those ones have |
| 06:30.26 | abraxa_ | CM: My g/f wants to have a shot at improving the UI so I'll show her the screenshot of Muine and see what she makes of it :) |
| 06:30.47 | CM | abraxa_: Why not install it and let her play around with it? ;) |
| 06:31.01 | CM | abraxa_: It's a mono app though |
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| 06:31.27 | abraxa_ | CM: If I can get mono to build then I'll do that - it's been a while since I tried |
| 06:31.57 | CM | abraxa_: Thanks for being open about UI suggestions |
| 06:33.22 | abraxa_ | CM: Oh heh, the 2007.1 UI isn't quite en par with the 2007.2 applications so of course I want to remedy that - just wanted to get things working for the SoC first ;) |
| 06:33.28 | cw666 | ok, i have GPRS sorta working |
| 06:33.42 | cw666 | sweet |
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| 06:35.35 | CM | abraxa_: Is it some kind of back-end/front-end design so that you could easily make your own gui using the "official" openmoko mediaplayer backend? |
| 06:36.14 | dsilva | rwhitby: thanks |
| 06:37.23 | abraxa_ | CM: Not really, that is however on the to-do list as Mickey just said |
| 06:37.43 | CM | Ok, sounds reasonable. :) |
| 06:40.07 | roh | cw666 AT@ST is for the sidetone |
| 06:40.35 | mickeyl_ | cw666: congrats. |
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| 06:42.22 | roh | cw666 see https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem |
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| 07:04.44 | cw666 | roh: you think it's a bad sidetone setting that is causing the echo effect(s)? |
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| 07:08.48 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2855 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (series uboot-s3c2410-warnings-fix.patch): uboot has merged the warnings-fix patch into mainline |
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| 07:14.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 779 has been created by roh(AT)openmoko.org |
| 07:14.01 | cdbot2 | * * acm console broken - spits out garbage |
| 07:14.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=779 |
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| 07:16.36 | roh | cw666 could be.. there were reports about that. |
| 07:17.00 | roh | cw666 we usually disable the sidetone on the modem and generate it ourselves via a mixer setting. at least that is/was the plan |
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| 07:21.13 | cw666 | roh: ok, the AT@AUL details are only in effect when sidetone is on or those are orthogonal? |
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| 07:22.24 | roh | cw666 i don't have a clue. i do not have more informations about how it works exactly than in the wiki there |
| 07:23.10 | roh | i'm shure we will take care of correct settings there once gsmd is stable and calling works everytime in all directions |
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| 07:23.47 | cw666 | yeah, im in the process of replacing gsmd potentially, so ill have to keep an eye on those changes |
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| 07:27.42 | trains | hi, i'm building openmoko for the first time. does it take too long? (in and average 2 years laptop) |
| 07:28.15 | CM | trains: Yes |
| 07:28.43 | trains | yes? :) how long does it took you? |
| 07:28.44 | CM | trains: On my 3000+ amd 64-bit with 1gb ram it takes about 8h |
| 07:28.54 | trains | :O |
| 07:28.58 | trains | 8h? |
| 07:29.08 | CM | On a new core 2 duo you can get it down to 4h or so |
| 07:29.12 | CM | Yes |
| 07:29.25 | CM | That is from scratch, with the makefile |
| 07:29.45 | trains | i forgot to mention i'm compiling on feisty running on vmware :) |
| 07:29.53 | cw666 | trains: yeah, sadly it's a tad insane in disk and time requirements |
| 07:30.09 | CM | Hehe.. trains Probably even longer in that case |
| 07:30.16 | trains | yeah |
| 07:30.46 | CM | Just leave it on over night or so :) |
| 07:31.05 | trains | i can stop it and resume, right? |
| 07:31.10 | CM | Yes |
| 07:31.13 | trains | ok |
| 07:31.29 | Xx13 | is there and .ebuild yet? ;) |
| 07:31.41 | ynezz | what's that |
| 07:31.45 | borg_ | trains: you are building a whole distribution |
| 07:31.50 | borg_ | that takes a while :) |
| 07:31.52 | CM | gentoo package |
| 07:31.59 | ynezz | meh |
| 07:32.11 | trains | Xx13: .ebuild ? where? |
| 07:32.36 | Xx13 | i dunno, just askin |
| 07:32.39 | CM | There's no ebuild for openmoko |
| 07:32.48 | Xx13 | would be nice to have |
| 07:32.53 | trains | what's ebuild? |
| 07:33.01 | CM | But there is for monotone, sqlite3, pysqlite2 and all the other requirements |
| 07:33.15 | CM | trains: It's the package files for Gentoo |
| 07:33.42 | CM | Xx13: What would be nice to have? |
| 07:33.42 | trains | like .deb for debian? |
| 07:34.03 | Dmitry_Platonov | trains, more like .bb for openembedded |
| 07:34.14 | CM | trains: Not really, since you compile it. As Dmitry_Platonov said |
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| 07:34.58 | trains | i'm not very familiar with openembedded. don't know what .bb is |
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| 07:35.27 | CM | trains: "BitBake", a recipie for how to build a program and all its requirements |
| 07:35.35 | jeddy3 | hmm, ipkg seems to download new kernels, but how do i update to it |
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| 07:35.58 | CM | jeddy3: Where do you run the ipkg update? On the Neo? |
| 07:36.11 | Xx13 | trains: ebuild is a script that fetches the files and patches, compiles and installs |
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| 07:36.32 | trains | ok. thanks |
| 07:37.27 | trains | i want to start help coding. Any idea where i should start helping? |
| 07:37.46 | Xx13 | trains: that's why compiling overnite is nothing new to gentoo ppl |
| 07:38.13 | CM | Xx13: Or that it's no problem using the computer at the same time as you compile. :) |
| 07:38.37 | Xx13 | depends on what you do |
| 07:39.03 | Dmitry_Platonov | trains, would be nice to have working gsmd/libgsmd. Also, in-kernel power management (freq. scaling, etc.) would be nice 8) |
| 07:39.28 | CM | Dmitry_Platonov: Hehe.. I agree, and I wish I had your optimism ;) |
| 07:40.47 | Xx13 | is it possible to powerdown gsm module completely, so the phone can be used on a plane? |
| 07:41.02 | cw666 | Xx13: yes |
| 07:41.24 | Xx13 | cool |
| 07:41.28 | CM | Xx13: I have enough trouble getting it to power up! :P |
| 07:41.37 | trains | Dmitry_Platonov: i don't have a neo yet. so i was thinking about tasks that don't require a device. and i know nothing about of kernel devel |
| 07:41.59 | cw666 | CM: it's quirky as anything at times (gsmd that is) |
| 07:42.13 | cw666 | im tempted to start work on an alterantive |
| 07:42.16 | jeddy3 | CM, yes |
| 07:42.28 | CM | trains: There's still a lot you can do using qemu |
| 07:43.02 | jgm | cw666: writchie is looking to provide something similar, maybe talk to him |
| 07:43.06 | trains | i could help with gsmd/libgsmd |
| 07:43.34 | CM | jeddy3: Ok. Is it some good wiki-page how to do the network forwarding? |
| 07:43.36 | cw666 | jgm: similar? a replacement to gsmd? |
| 07:43.47 | cw666 | CM: network forwarding? you mean IP networking? |
| 07:43.49 | trains | is there a list of open bugs for gsmd? |
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| 07:44.13 | CM | cw666: Yes, to easily use ipkg, or surf or whatever on the neo using teh usbnet |
| 07:44.31 | cw666 | CM: masquerade/SNAT on the host machine |
| 07:44.32 | roh | CM you mean a /etc/network/interfaces sample which sets up iptables for you? |
| 07:44.50 | CM | roh: Yes |
| 07:44.57 | jgm | cw666: Yep. gsmd seems to be okay as-is but is missing a bunch of things like arbitration, which is what I believe writchie is looking to provide as a wrapper library with a D-Bus interface |
| 07:45.01 | roh | i have that... lets see where it would fit into the wiki |
| 07:45.11 | cw666 | jgm: ok, then i dont want to talk to him |
| 07:45.17 | cw666 | i loath dbus to the extreme |
| 07:45.17 | CM | roh: Thanks, would be great. :) |
| 07:45.25 | jeddy3 | CM, i havent found one...i tried manually routing, but gave up and installed firestarter |
| 07:45.40 | hads | I think there already is one |
| 07:45.40 | cw666 | i want some small and sane, not crippled with dbus/gnome/whatever |
| 07:45.52 | jgm | cw666: that's a shame because an awful lot of the stuff being built is using D-Bus |
| 07:45.57 | CM | jeddy3: I haven't managed either. I've installed shorewall, as I've used that before, but haven't gotten around to try the routing yet |
| 07:46.05 | jgm | What would you recommend instead for a generic IPC mechanism? |
| 07:46.23 | roh | CM its already there... but its buggy.. mompls |
| 07:46.24 | cw666 | jgm: im trying to get enough people interested it doing an entire alternate software stack right now |
| 07:46.31 | jeddy3 | works ok in firestarter, although it does not want to disable the firewall part of it, so i cannot mount desktop via nfs on neo when i route internet :p |
| 07:46.40 | hads | cw666: Why? |
| 07:47.02 | cw666 | hads: because the current arch/design calls for a lot of large slow processes and whilst that's fine for a lot of people, it's not what im after |
| 07:47.12 | jgm | cw666: well good luck with that, most people are focused on producing the current one first |
| 07:47.28 | cw666 | jgm: well, i have the advantage i can copy/steal what they have that workds |
| 07:47.29 | cw666 | works |
| 07:48.13 | jgm | cw666: and none of the other current 'phone OS activities fit your bill either? |
| 07:48.29 | jeddy3 | anyone know how to update kernel with ipkg? |
| 07:48.52 | cw666 | jgm: which ones are those? i want something linux based and hackable, but i dont care for a cut-down gnome desktop |
| 07:48.58 | cw666 | there is a LOT in between |
| 07:49.15 | cw666 | one major problem i have doing this is i18n ... that's so hard to do and probably will bloat things no matter what |
| 07:49.15 | CM | It's crazy that searching for USB or Network or both doesn't find USB_Networking |
| 07:49.23 | jgm | You could always not start the desktop... |
| 07:49.35 | jgm | ubuntu-mobile? |
| 07:50.06 | cw666 | im not sure, right now i just want to get some core daemons/libs to drive the hw and do PM for now |
| 07:50.31 | jgm | Well if you do that for openmoko I'm sure that they will happily take your code and put it in the main tree |
| 07:50.31 | cw666 | the gui i honestly wont ever be able to do (i suck at guis) so unless i get help ill steal another one |
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| 07:51.00 | cw666 | jgm: we'll see... given im not that interested in openembedded, bitbake, etc. someone will have to integrate anything i do |
| 07:51.33 | jgm | If you write a fully-functional power management daemon then I suspect someone else will go to that effort to get it integrated into their image |
| 07:51.39 | hads | *yawn* |
| 07:52.04 | cw666 | jgm: it's a long way from that, kernel changes are needed first |
| 07:52.22 | cw666 | and also, gsmd might come a long way before i get much going, so it would be silly not to use that or at least steal from that |
| 07:52.41 | hads | Or perhaps... even... contribute to that. |
| 07:53.22 | cw666 | maybe, the code isn't too bad at all |
| 07:53.23 | FuzzyCat | *blink* |
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| 07:54.59 | roh | CM https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Automatic_method |
| 07:55.10 | roh | CM i just fixed the ubuntu part... |
| 07:55.18 | CM | roh: Thanks :D |
| 07:57.37 | roh | cw666 i'd recommend you read about dbus first and spare youre ranting till afterwards. actually it really fixes a lot of the ipc problems out there quite well and _uniform_ while still keeping dependencys down at a absolute minimum. i quite like it. |
| 07:58.19 | jgm | After using a lot of other IPC methods out there D-Bus does seem to balance functionality and simplicity quite well |
| 07:58.21 | jeddy3 | roh, sweet! |
| 07:58.36 | jeddy3 | x) |
| 07:58.51 | roh | compared to 20 people trying to break their fingers trying to get unix sockets right its sane... especially if you keep multiple clients and restarting daemons in mind. (reconnect problems, etc) |
| 07:59.02 | jgm | Although at the end of the day I'll use whatever is 'standard' for a given system, so for openmoko D-Bus it is |
| 07:59.28 | cw666 | roh: you're missing the point, but that's ok ... the point of open access to the device is that i get to choose what i like nad you get to use what you like |
| 07:59.54 | roh | jgm we'll see. actually we need to use it since even bluez depends on it, but harald does not quite like it somehow. |
| 08:00.23 | jgm | cw666: I think the point is more that if you're developing as a community you need to pick something as a community and stick to it |
| 08:00.40 | jgm | roh: moving away from D-Bus at this stage would be a very bad idea |
| 08:00.43 | roh | cw666 nobody hinders you. but keep in mind that throwning rocks in the way of people they will stumble |
| 08:00.46 | cw666 | jgm: im not developing as a community though, ill do what i can to solve my needs and others are welcome to help |
| 08:00.59 | jgm | cw666: yeah I noticed that... |
| 08:01.02 | Placid | morning |
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| 08:01.58 | roh | don't get me wrong here. i don't wanna push dbus or anything. there are far too many people who think it will solve all their problems. i just see some opportunitys here and there and we will see how it performs and works. |
| 08:02.25 | roh | in the end thats what opensource is about. evolutionary development with a lot of trial and error ;) |
| 08:02.45 | cw666 | roh: dbus might be fine, it's the least of my worries right now |
| 08:03.07 | cw666 | the total impact of dbus is pretty small compared to the footprint and requirements of some other components |
| 08:03.19 | cw666 | but for initial developement im not that excited about it |
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| 08:05.07 | jeddy3 | roh, reisty autoconfiguration works perfectly (after patching bug in ifupdown udev rule) |
| 08:05.23 | jeddy3 | roh, thanks nice work |
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| 08:05.48 | cw666 | roh: when you get a chance, try "LD_TRACE_LOADED_OBJECTS=1 /usr/bin/openmoko-dialer" |
| 08:05.56 | roh | jeddy3 i still need to figure out some way when using more than pone phone ;) |
| 08:06.11 | roh | cw666 sounds scary |
| 08:06.19 | jeddy3 | roh, ah :) |
| 08:06.41 | roh | cw666 mompls.. need to boot the phone |
| 08:07.44 | roh | jeddy3 i also have a patch in my mtn repo that adds a resolv.conf to images i build which points to the 192.168.0.200 where i run a dnscache |
| 08:08.03 | jeddy3 | roh, nice! |
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| 08:10.43 | rwhitby | roh: we should make that standard - something that works for smart developers is better than a lack of resolv.conf which works for no-one. |
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| 08:13.21 | rwhitby | roh: especially because at home I plug the neo into my router's usb port to charge and get on the network :-) |
| 08:15.18 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 08:16.21 | jeddy3 | ok, if an update installed all this 2.6.22-moko5 modules, that must mean i can flash moko with a 2.6.22-moko5-uimage, and it will work? |
| 08:16.43 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: why the wiki? I'm strongly considering just changing it in the OE tree. |
| 08:16.54 | rwhitby | jeddy3: should do |
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| 08:17.48 | ScaredyCat | but then you'll break other stuff that uses oe no? |
| 08:18.12 | ScaredyCat | isn't this what we get bitched at for doing? |
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| 08:21.50 | jeddy3 | hmm, whats the difference between a uImage and a zImage on buildhost? |
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| 08:24.03 | XorA | uImage is for uboot, zImage is propber kernel image |
| 08:24.19 | jeddy3 | XorA, come again? |
| 08:24.30 | jeddy3 | XorA, it's uimage i wan't right? |
| 08:24.41 | XorA | jeddy3: use uImage to flash, use zImage if you understand the difference :-) |
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| 08:25.01 | jeddy3 | uimage is some kind of "patched" zimage for uboot? |
| 08:25.02 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: no, you can do stuff in OE on an image or distro basis. |
| 08:25.05 | jeddy3 | XorA, nod |
| 08:25.12 | rwhitby | in this case it would be for the openmoko distro or openmoko image (adding an /etc/resolv.conf which matches the default usb networking setup) |
| 08:25.17 | XorA | jeddy3: uImage has some extra header for uboot added |
| 08:25.22 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: about still? |
| 08:25.24 | jeddy3 | XorA, got it, thanks |
| 08:25.36 | cw666 | i |
| 08:25.36 | cw666 | oops |
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| 08:32.52 | roh | rwhitby i'll put that on my list for later |
| 08:33.17 | squalyl | hi all |
| 08:33.56 | roh | rwhitby but since i also not yet have a nice idea how to make it detachable and usable via pan without having 2 complete set of configs... |
| 08:34.16 | roh | eventually just bridge the opan and the usbnet together and put the l3-ip on br0 |
| 08:34.46 | rwhitby | with udev rules to add or remove interfaces from the bridge |
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| 08:34.59 | cw666 | roh: oan? |
| 08:35.04 | cw666 | err, opan? |
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| 08:35.29 | rwhitby | he probably means bnep |
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| 08:36.13 | cw666 | ive not tested that yet; people have it working ok? |
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| 08:38.23 | squalyl | OM2007.2 doesn't build here due to do_compile with git-native. Is this "normal" ? |
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| 08:38.40 | cw666 | squalyl: it built this morning for me |
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| 08:38.56 | cw666 | is your tree older than that or more recent? |
| 08:39.23 | cw666 | squalyl: you have git-core, monotone, etc installed? |
| 08:39.45 | squalyl | cw666: I have all installed |
| 08:40.30 | squalyl | http://pastebin.org/1409 |
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| 08:40.58 | squalyl | and I just pulled the last OE.mtn and ran mtn update |
| 08:41.24 | roh | cw666 pand/bnep yep bnep0 and usb0 on a bridge should work *hmm* |
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| 08:43.29 | squalyl | cw666: maybe I lack a specific perl module? |
| 08:44.29 | cw666 | squalyl: im not sure, im doing an update and rebuild right now |
| 08:45.14 | squalyl | I just tried to install CPAN which downloaded a dependency "ExtUtils::MakeMaker" this may help me ;) |
| 08:47.20 | cw666 | squalyl: svn.berlios.de is down right now so i can't update to retest |
| 08:47.41 | squalyl | Don't worry i fixed the issue |
| 08:47.59 | squalyl | perl module ExtUtils::MakeMaker is needed to build git-native |
| 08:48.12 | jas4711 | cw666: 'make -k update' works here, it skips updating bitbake but probably it hasn't changed |
| 08:48.44 | jas4711 | although my build stops when building mtd... at least a few hours ago |
| 08:48.52 | squalyl | I'm putting a small note in [[Talk:OpenMoko2007.2]] |
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| 09:02.11 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Web_Browser]] [[Talk:OpenMoko2007.2]] [[User:ThomasWood]] [[User:Javiroman]] [[Press_Coverage]] [[User_talk:Emdete]] [[USB_Networking]] [[User_talk:HaraldWelte]] |
| 09:03.05 | florian | good morning |
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| 09:31.34 | roh | wtf? |
| 09:31.39 | roh | http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/29/nokias-iphone-no-seriously/ |
| 09:31.45 | roh | muhhahha |
| 09:32.09 | jeddy3 | yeah, thats pretty sick |
| 09:32.25 | jeddy3 | worse than any chinese ripoff e |
| 09:32.33 | jeddy3 | -e |
| 09:38.04 | ynezz | it's just a joke, isn't it? :p |
| 09:38.28 | Tyrael | hi, my neo don't boot on power up or reboot. It is blocked on the splash screen. I need to power up with aux button and then select boot. |
| 09:38.39 | Tyrael | doesn't (sorry) |
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| 09:39.14 | torpor | morning folks |
| 09:39.19 | torpor | morning folks |
| 09:39.48 | ynezz | Tyrael: have you erased your rootfs before flashing the new one? |
| 09:41.23 | Tyrael | ynezz: this time no. but before flashing the previuos one yes (that was38,x MB). And this was 39,xMB) |
| 09:42.14 | Tyrael | ah, the UBOOT splash screen, don't the "kernel spash screen" |
| 09:42.30 | jeddy3 | Tyrael, i reasoned so too at last update, but it still borked |
| 09:42.57 | jeddy3 | Tyrael, new image when i flashed was slightly larger, still it borked |
| 09:44.12 | Tyrael | jeddy3: ah ok. Now I erase kernel and rootfs |
| 09:46.32 | torpor | whatsup? |
| 09:46.33 | torpor | svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.berlios.de': Connection refused |
| 09:47.21 | Tyrael | wow.... nand erase clean kernel made a lot of ouput.... |
| 09:49.09 | trains | I need a little help understanding something about OM bugzilla. See this bug http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=107 . It has 2 comments with patches attached that supposedly solve the problem or part of it, but the bug is still marked as NEW. |
| 09:52.06 | CM | Tyrael: I have that problem all the time |
| 09:52.28 | ynezz | trains: that just means that either responsible person don't care, or have no time |
| 09:52.36 | ynezz | no more, no less |
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| 09:53.05 | trains | so, can i apply the patch? |
| 09:53.25 | ynezz | right, you can do whatever you want |
| 09:54.15 | trains | ? they don't have the time to mark the bug as solved or they don't have the time to submit the patch? |
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| 09:56.43 | wibbit | trains: I would assume, they don't have time to test the patch, to make sure it works appropriately, and then apply |
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| 09:56.53 | trains | ok |
| 09:57.25 | wibbit | though, that is an assumption. |
| 09:57.41 | trains | but, can i do that? what do i need to submit patches? |
| 09:58.02 | wibbit | But I can believe there is a fair amount of work to take suggested patches, apply, ensure it does what is expected, and then update the bugzilla + regression testing etc |
| 09:58.16 | wibbit | To submit or apply |
| 09:58.43 | wibbit | The people who have suggested patches, I would assume have already "submitted" them, to apply them, you'd need SVN/CVS access |
| 09:59.11 | wibbit | correction, svn/cvs commit access |
| 09:59.30 | wibbit | but, I do not know what openmoko's policies are on testing patches, regression etc |
| 10:00.29 | cb22 | So, should I buy a P1 device now on eBay, or wait and buy the P2? |
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| 10:00.44 | wibbit | cb22: depends what you want it for :) |
| 10:00.53 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MacOS_X]] [[User:ThomasWood]] [[Talk:MacOS_X]] |
| 10:01.02 | cb22 | wibbit, i dont know myself :) |
| 10:01.12 | wibbit | cb22: however, I got the impression that gps usage, may be problematic with the P1's due to a hardware driver issue. |
| 10:01.17 | cb22 | i'm decent with dev / linux stuff, so an incomplete OS is no biggy |
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| 10:01.37 | zash_se | P[12] s/P/GTA0 ? |
| 10:01.50 | cb22 | hmm, you see i also really wanted wifi |
| 10:02.19 | cb22 | but, if the GTA02 (correct?) comes out later then october, i'd rather just get a GTA01 |
| 10:02.32 | wibbit | I've seen comment, expecting it in jan |
| 10:02.38 | cjb_ie | yesterday somebody said GTA02 probably jan |
| 10:02.40 | cb22 | at the moment i'm without a phone you see |
| 10:02.45 | cjb_ie | wibbit: damn your nimble fingers |
| 10:02.51 | wibbit | hee hee |
| 10:02.57 | cb22 | hmm, thanks guys |
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| 10:03.24 | cb22 | i supose i could always just use a usb wifi stick! |
| 10:03.33 | cb22 | if i could get a power source |
| 10:03.42 | cb22 | and when the switching gets implimented |
| 10:04.18 | cb22 | but, wibbit, what are these hardware GPS errors you speak of? |
| 10:04.56 | ynezz | it's not usable |
| 10:05.52 | cb22 | due to the binary gps not being provided, or other issues? |
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| 10:07.23 | wibbit | cb22: I don't know the whole story, so some one, please correct me. |
| 10:07.53 | wibbit | cb22: The people that were originally providing the GPS hardware, have been bought by another company, the other company does not wish to honour the original agreement to provide binary drivers. |
| 10:08.11 | wibbit | cb22: but as I said, I may not (probably not) know the whole story |
| 10:08.17 | cb22 | hmph |
| 10:08.40 | cb22 | oh well, 50 people still have the binary driver, hopefully they will be able to RE something |
| 10:09.14 | wibbit | as many have stated, that may take a while |
| 10:09.47 | cb22 | yeah, true, but atleast it is a ray of hope :) |
| 10:10.17 | wibbit | Yup, like hoping, whilst one hurtles towards the sun, that it a big wind may come by and blow it out :) |
| 10:10.25 | cb22 | lol |
| 10:10.31 | cjb_ie | how big is the binary? |
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| 10:10.48 | cb22 | although im suprized it hasnt been leaked futher |
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| 10:11.03 | cb22 | those phase 0 people must be good boys |
| 10:11.18 | mjr | wibbit, hm, I didn't have the impression that it was a lost cause to get the binary drivers released, merely a matter of (*sigh*) more negotiation |
| 10:11.20 | Dmitry_Platonov | GTA02 will come with different GPS chip |
| 10:11.29 | mjr | but of course I don't have the full story either |
| 10:11.40 | XorA | cb22: most of us P0 guys didnt know it was there and destroyed it |
| 10:12.11 | cjb_ie | XorA: as in, it was written in by default and got overwritten? |
| 10:12.15 | wibbit | mjr: The fact that, as Dmitry_Platonov states, GTA02, will come with a different GPS chip (and I assume from another manufacturer), the whole negotiation thing will probably fail. |
| 10:12.30 | XorA | cjb_ie: yeah, first thing I did was flash phone, didnt even look at what was there |
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| 10:12.44 | cjb_ie | any idea why the new company doesn't want to honour the agreement? |
| 10:12.45 | mjr | wibbit, that's jumping to conclusions |
| 10:12.52 | wibbit | mjr: yup |
| 10:13.10 | cjb_ie | XorA: ah, the gps chipset doesn't have its own firmware area? |
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| 10:13.47 | Dmitry_Platonov | as I understand, gllin will not work on 2007.2 |
| 10:14.04 | XorA | Dmitry_Platonov: only in a OABI chroot |
| 10:14.27 | cjb_ie | s/firmware area/flash/ |
| 10:14.27 | mjr | there are plenty other reasons for wanting a new chip; for example, simply the fact that it's been so difficult so far with the Hammerhead, and maybe they don't want to deliver more chips at the current terms, or maybe (just maybe ;) they just want rid of the non-free userspace driver |
| 10:15.13 | mjr | so I really wouldn't yet assume that there won't be a gllin for GTA01, though it's a bit discouraging certainly that it's not already here |
| 10:15.18 | cjb_ie | the sirf iii is well regarded in userland, too. lots of openstreetmap folks swear by it, and none of them's heard of hammerhead. |
| 10:15.56 | ewon | sirf_iii++; |
| 10:16.05 | ewon | nice little chip. gets locks indoors. |
| 10:16.15 | cb22 | downside? |
| 10:16.31 | ewon | maybe it eats more power than the hammerhead? no real idea. |
| 10:16.35 | wibbit | ewon: that, sounds VERY interesting |
| 10:16.44 | roh | ewon nope. no sirf |
| 10:16.51 | mjr | I think roh said it's not sir... right ;) |
| 10:16.56 | ewon | wibbit: by indoors I mean a standard semi detached, no idea about a corporate office |
| 10:17.06 | wibbit | That's still impressive |
| 10:17.19 | wibbit | increase the likelyhood of getting a lock along the streets of london |
| 10:17.23 | ewon | I've a couple of sirf-iii devices |
| 10:17.26 | Dmitry_Platonov | did you read hammerhead vs sirf III comparison? hammerhead did slightly beeter |
| 10:17.52 | ewon | Dmitry_Platonov: impressive |
| 10:18.11 | Dmitry_Platonov | I bet new chip would be on same level |
| 10:20.02 | cjb_ie | ewon: i got a streetpilot c550 last night, its sirf3 is a _lot_ better at picking up signal than my holux sirf3 usb dongle |
| 10:20.16 | ewon | cjb_ie: odd. better antenna? |
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| 10:20.42 | cjb_ie | ewon: i suspect it's got more amplification, less constrained power budget |
| 10:21.02 | ewon | cjb_ie: wait a sec, ZOMG, you but a closed-source mapping solution? doesn't this mean the other openstreetmap people have to cut your balls off? |
| 10:21.09 | ewon | s/but/bought/ |
| 10:21.45 | cjb_ie | my place is low down, on the north side of a tall building, with only north-facing windows; and the streetpilot got a fix, and only got unhappy when i had it sitting in front of the laptop and i was crouching over it. |
| 10:22.24 | cjb_ie | ewon: :p |
| 10:22.59 | cjb_ie | the guy's letting me have it for half what he paid for it - and that was already a reduced price. can't argue with that. |
| 10:23.05 | ewon | heh |
| 10:23.12 | roh | if youve not seen it already... i can advice haralds talk at the camp |
| 10:23.31 | roh | the sound is totally crappy, but its worth it http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/Haraldccc07.mpg |
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| 10:40.08 | ynezz | roh: it's in english? |
| 10:40.58 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2856 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-search-bar.h): |
| 10:40.58 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-30 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 10:40.58 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Change the header file to be parsable by h2def.py, which will |
| 10:40.58 | CIA-20 | openmoko: reduce the manual work needed to create bindings. |
| 10:40.58 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-search-bar.h: |
| 10:41.31 | mmazur | roh, if someone took the sound and filtered it out or sth. |
| 10:41.38 | mmazur | roh, I can hardly understand anything. |
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| 10:45.46 | roh | mmazur does not help. the decompression-recompression alone would loose more than the filter gains. so you need to filter it at playback |
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| 10:51.03 | zecke | ~seen Cwiiis |
| 10:51.05 | apt | cwiiis is currently on #maemo (13h 12m 33s) #oe (13h 12m 33s), last said: 'zecke_: You're writing an HTML rendering engine?'. |
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| 11:01.57 | apt | wibbit is currently on #openmoko (1h 34m 28s). Has said a total of 22 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen wibbit'. |
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| 11:41.22 | CM | roh: Heh, the audio sure is noisy.. People sawing in there and everything :D |
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| 11:45.30 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03chris * r2857 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): MokoSearchBar: Add new API to count and clear categories |
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| 11:50.53 | jonathan_br_ba | guyz i have that problem, i think is calibration, how i fix it? |
| 11:51.19 | jonathan_br_ba | i cant load terminal |
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| 11:51.32 | jgm | jonathan_br_ba: can you log in over ssh? |
| 11:51.34 | SpeedEvil | can you ssh in? |
| 11:51.42 | SpeedEvil | oops, gtg |
| 11:51.50 | jonathan_br_ba | i dont know |
| 11:51.58 | jonathan_br_ba | how i do this? |
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| 11:52.36 | jgm | Start with https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 11:53.40 | _diego_ | i'm using OM 2007.08, and when i try to lounch the input manager, it starts calculator |
| 11:54.16 | jgm | _diego_: yeah it seems like the app switcher doesn't work out that you've changed category. Try changing your category to 'All' and pick it from there |
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| 11:57.07 | _diego_ | i open 2 input manager, how can i close one? |
| 11:57.11 | nnpiggy | Could anybody tell me off-hand how to get control characters on the on-screen keyboard? |
| 11:57.23 | jgm | No idea (for either of the above) |
| 11:58.04 | DPThought | nnpiggy: what do you mean by control characters? command+XX combos? |
| 11:58.23 | nnpiggy | ctl-p, ctl-e, etc... |
| 11:58.35 | nnpiggy | Not the ALT characters... |
| 11:59.00 | _diego_ | use the full keyboard on the display |
| 11:59.07 | CM | _diego_: That's a pain, but basically, run ps -u root to find the pid of matchbox-keyboard and then kill it |
| 11:59.26 | CM | nnpiggy: The second kb from the drop down menu, as _diego_ said |
| 12:00.01 | DPThought | nnpiggy: if you have launched input manager. the right side of the white blob is a dropdown. there you can selecte a more sophisticated keyboard with command, alt and all the keys you need |
| 12:00.19 | nnpiggy | oh ho! Thanks! |
| 12:00.55 | nnpiggy | Yikes! I have both keyboards now! |
| 12:00.56 | jonathan_br_ba | jgm: i tryid but usb0 is not exists |
| 12:01.43 | _diego_ | nnpiggy: welcome to the club ^^ |
| 12:02.48 | jonathan_br_ba | guys help me ssh my qemu? |
| 12:02.57 | jonathan_br_ba | i tried with tutorial but |
| 12:03.07 | jonathan_br_ba | my terminal says that usb0 dont exists |
| 12:03.52 | _diego_ | do you have usb net support? check the kernel |
| 12:04.10 | nnpiggy | Thanks, _diego_. Brekkie time. |
| 12:04.52 | jonathan_br_ba | _diego_: man xcuse but, how i check? |
| 12:05.08 | _diego_ | nnpiggy: btw if u have ssh, look for a process mbinputmgr and kill it ^^ |
| 12:07.24 | _diego_ | jonathan_br_ba: lsmod. You should have cdc_ether and usbnet loaded |
| 12:07.34 | jonathan_br_ba | ok |
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| 12:09.15 | jonathan_br_ba | _diego_: i didnt have but i load it with modprobe |
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| 12:09.47 | _diego_ | jonathan_br_ba: retry now |
| 12:11.21 | jonathan_br_ba | _diego_: i tried: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 | returns -> usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: |
| 12:12.06 | torpor | anyone know why /media/card is no longer working? |
| 12:12.19 | torpor | 2.6.21.6-moko11 |
| 12:12.58 | aloril | torpor: tried taking battery out and rebooting? |
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| 12:14.18 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2858 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (gta02-core.patch s3c2442b-cpuid.patch series): implement core kernel support for GTA02v2 (S3C2442B) |
| 12:14.27 | roh | torpor because you use a oild build which still has bugs with sdcards. fixed some days now |
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| 12:15.22 | torpor | yeah |
| 12:15.32 | torpor | i'll try the new build then. |
| 12:15.33 | torpor | thx |
| 12:15.34 | _diego_ | jonathan_br_ba: try to see if usb is recognized. Look at lsusb and dmesg, if u see something interesting |
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| 12:20.16 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2859 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/smedia-glamo.patch: |
| 12:20.16 | CIA-20 | openmoko: glamo3362 driver: |
| 12:20.16 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * temporarily deactivate irq_chip demultiplexer code |
| 12:20.16 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * add gta02v2 support (pull LCM out of reset before using it) |
| 12:20.16 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * add incomplete hardware accelerated cursor support (currently inactive) |
| 12:22.22 | nnpiggy | Thanks, _diego_--I killed it. |
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| 12:46.04 | FuzzyCat | roh, sd card not nixed |
| 12:46.25 | FuzzyCat | fixed |
| 12:48.06 | roh | FuzzyCat for me it is.. ive not seen a single ioerror since |
| 12:48.23 | FuzzyCat | with lots of files |
| 12:48.25 | FuzzyCat | ? |
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| 12:49.00 | FuzzyCat | try with >100mb |
| 12:49.02 | roh | FuzzyCat ive copied a mp3 collection up on the card multiple times.. failed consistently all the time after 2 ord 3 files |
| 12:49.23 | roh | FuzzyCat ive used atleast 400mb per test |
| 12:49.37 | FuzzyCat | mmmm... I |
| 12:50.53 | roh | FuzzyCat svn rev 2831/2832 is the patch in question |
| 12:50.57 | SpeedEvil | roh: Hack. scp -l 1000 * phone:/media/card/mp3/ |
| 12:51.09 | SpeedEvil | though updating is the right way |
| 12:51.12 | roh | and no.. nobody bumped the bitbake-revision |
| 12:51.15 | SpeedEvil | to limit bandwidth |
| 12:51.44 | roh | Speeei do not want to linit the bandwith. i want to provoke the error |
| 12:52.27 | SpeedEvil | dd if=/dev/zero works well for that |
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| 13:01.49 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page/ar]] [[Template:Languages/ar]] [[Media_Content/ar]] [[Media_Content]] [[Template:Improve/ar]] [[Template:Unimplemented/ar]] [[Translation_HOWTO/ar]] [[Translation_HOWTO]] |
| 13:02.31 | FuzzyCat | gah scrollback tooo short |
| 13:02.41 | FuzzyCat | mtd-utils.... ? |
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| 13:07.09 | FuzzyCat | isn't that a path error? |
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| 13:18.40 | mdt | strange: in /etc/fstab /tmp is a tmpfs but /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh wants to make a symlink for it.... hm |
| 13:20.42 | milo_ | since i had that errpr with scp 'scp: /media/card/movies: No space left on device' the card doesnt mount anymore. still not at reboot :( |
| 13:21.13 | mdt | milo_, do a mkdosfs? |
| 13:21.20 | FuzzyCat | Error: Too much pr0n on device. |
| 13:21.26 | milo_ | when i check for the space left with 'df -h' it seams not mounted |
| 13:23.14 | mdt | milo_, did you try to mount it? |
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| 13:23.41 | milo_ | should i rm /media/card and reboot? where is the mounting logged? |
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| 13:23.56 | milo_ | mdt: no i didnt. how? |
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| 13:24.51 | mdt | mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmcblk0p1 |
| 13:25.08 | mdt | you will see the message while the mount failed... or it mounts it |
| 13:25.56 | milo_ | "mount: mount point /media/mmcblk0p1 does not exist" |
| 13:26.21 | mdt | milo_, so just do mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media |
| 13:26.59 | milo_ | "unknown filesystem type 'vfat'" |
| 13:27.10 | mdt | so the kernel module is missing |
| 13:27.25 | mdt | do a ipkg list_installed|grep fat |
| 13:27.35 | milo_ | ah ok. but it worked since 10 min ago |
| 13:27.47 | mdt | :D |
| 13:27.55 | milo_ | "kernel-module-fat - 2.6.22.5-moko11-r1 - fat kernel module |
| 13:27.57 | milo_ | kernel-module-vfat - 2.6.22.5-moko11-r1 - vfat kernel module; VFAT filesystem support" |
| 13:27.59 | mdt | 10 minutes are a lot, you have 266MHz.... |
| 13:28.01 | mdt | fine |
| 13:28.20 | mdt | what does `lsmod|grep fat` say? |
| 13:28.30 | milo_ | i tried to mount it on a different host and it worked |
| 13:28.49 | mdt | 'different host' means what? |
| 13:28.57 | milo_ | lsmod | grep fat return nothing. how can i load it |
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| 13:29.08 | mdt | modprobe vfat |
| 13:29.10 | milo_ | another machine.. gentoo |
| 13:29.14 | mdt | milo_, :D |
| 13:29.30 | mdt | milo_, different machine has different behavior... shure |
| 13:29.37 | milo_ | "WARNING: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.21.6-moko11/kernel/fs/nls/nls_base.ko': No such file or directory |
| 13:29.41 | milo_ | WARNING: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.21.6-moko11/kernel/fs/fat/fat.ko': No such file or directory |
| 13:29.44 | milo_ | FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.21.6-moko11/kernel/fs/vfat/vfat.ko': No such file or directory" |
| 13:30.03 | milo_ | so maybe reinstall the modules? |
| 13:30.13 | mdt | oups |
| 13:30.17 | mdt | do a uname -a |
| 13:30.17 | torpor | you upgraded the filesystem but not the kernel. |
| 13:30.25 | mdt | yes looks like :) |
| 13:30.26 | torpor | <-- has the same problem. |
| 13:30.41 | milo_ | "Linux fic-gta01 2.6.21.6-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Sat Aug 25 20:36:00 CEST 2007 armv4tl unknown" |
| 13:31.06 | mdt | you have to loook for a kernel image with version 2.6.22.5-moko11-r1.... |
| 13:31.15 | torpor | actually there are no such modules. |
| 13:31.31 | mdt | your modules are 2.6.22, your kernel 2.6.21 |
| 13:31.55 | mdt | another hint that the openmoko developer did a very good job: you still can login...! :D |
| 13:32.04 | milo_ | oh ok. i cant update the kernel with ipkg? ok so i ll flash the ne kernel thanks |
| 13:32.32 | mdt | yes... interesting, a new kernel exists. good to know :D |
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| 13:34.15 | torpor | what the URL for the 'latest ' stuff from openmoko? |
| 13:34.21 | torpor | i never know where to go to get the latest builds .. |
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| 13:35.16 | mdt | same to me.... i try http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t |
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| 13:35.40 | mdt | but i build most packages myself... |
| 13:35.47 | milo_ | i think i did the ipkg upgrade and it installed all latest stuff which need the ne kernel. right? mh :( good to know.. ipkg is lovely but this sucked |
| 13:36.51 | torpor | mdt: thats just for package s.. i'm talking about images for burning .. |
| 13:37.17 | mdt | here are the new modules... http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/fic-gta01/, http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/ are the images |
| 13:37.59 | FuzzyCat | -utils |
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| 13:38.39 | mdt | FuzzyCat, ? |
| 13:39.40 | torpor | how do you use th emodules packages listed? |
| 13:39.47 | torpor | manually copy over and untar? or what? |
| 13:40.02 | torpor | .e.g this one: |
| 13:40.02 | torpor | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/modules-2.6.22.5-moko11-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.tgz |
| 13:40.13 | torpor | no auto-install method? requires manual intervention or what? |
| 13:40.19 | FuzzyCat | mdt-utils not you mdt :) |
| 13:40.31 | FuzzyCat | seems that it's busted |
| 13:41.05 | FuzzyCat | fatal: not a git repository - basically 404 |
| 13:41.43 | Fatal | FuzzyCat: If you try to push something into me I will be unpleased |
| 13:42.18 | FuzzyCat | :D |
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| 13:47.54 | mdt | anyone an idea about my /tmp problem? |
| 13:48.05 | torpor | what /tmp problem? |
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| 13:49.15 | mdt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:51.34 | mwester | mdt: what's the problem? |
| 13:54.36 | mdt | mwester, as i described. the removal & symlinking of /tmp failes because it's mounted. |
| 13:54.51 | mdt | mwester, look into /tmp, you will find a /tmp/tmp symlinked to /var/tmp |
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| 13:55.27 | mwester | Is this in the standard openmoko image then? |
| 13:55.34 | mdt | yes |
| 13:55.41 | mwester | Ah, ok. |
| 13:56.30 | mwester | I guess someone should fix that then. I think the idea is that /var/volatile is tmpfs, and the mounting of /tmp on tmpfs is unnecessary. |
| 13:56.44 | mdt | yes, i thinks so |
| 13:56.56 | mdt | i fixed it this way in my image. |
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| 13:57.13 | mdt | tmpfs is also mounted to /media/ram... what is that for? |
| 13:58.05 | mwester | That's been a point of discussion on other OE platforms too. I personally find it unnecessary, but I think it's for historical reasons. |
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| 13:58.49 | mwester | It doesn't hurt anything, apparently -- the resources required to keep that mounted are very small (unless one actually uses that tmpfs space) |
| 13:59.35 | milo_ | mdt: flashed uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin and it works when i mount mmcblk0p1 by hand. but its not loaded at boot |
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| 14:02.07 | mdt | milo_, ...hm, don't know how automount is handled in openmoko. fstab uses /media/card but has noauto flag. |
| 14:04.44 | milo_ | thanks works again.. mplayer is fun :) even with gta01's slow cpu |
| 14:05.15 | mdt | milo_, yes, libmad is a briliant project... |
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| 14:09.29 | ScaredyCat | has anyone tried a build recently ? |
| 14:10.15 | thomasg | I did a build before about 16 hours |
| 14:11.14 | ScaredyCat | seems to be looking for a mdt-utils git revision that doesn;t exist |
| 14:11.21 | thomasg | yes |
| 14:11.28 | thomasg | here's the fix: |
| 14:11.45 | thomasg | hier ist der patch: http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=1776 |
| 14:12.16 | thomasg | that patch doesn't work for me, but using it manually works |
| 14:12.54 | ScaredyCat | thomasg++ |
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| 14:15.35 | ScaredyCat | mmm.... |
| 14:15.42 | ScaredyCat | that appears to have applied |
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| 14:17.55 | ScaredyCat | thomasg: where was it getting it from ? |
| 14:18.00 | ScaredyCat | is |
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| 14:20.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 780 has been created by hozer(AT)hozed.org |
| 14:20.01 | cdbot2 | * * uboot usb serial broken |
| 14:20.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=780 |
| 14:21.06 | hozer | ScaredyCat: I had an mtd-utils problem with include paths |
| 14:21.20 | hozer | but just running 'make' in the directory fixed it |
| 14:22.08 | aloril | (script) openmoko-apps: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: About QVGA theme for OM.2 |
| 14:22.09 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/675798 is my issue |
| 14:24.12 | hozer | blah, it looks like the tar.gz does not include git metadata |
| 14:25.39 | hozer | OM needs something like tinderbox |
| 14:26.26 | hozer | and a repository that contains *all* the sources that requires that a build succeed before allowing the commit |
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| 14:31.31 | ewon | right |
| 14:31.55 | ixs | mhm. svn.berlios.de still down? |
| 14:32.07 | juco | svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.berlios.de': Connection refused |
| 14:32.13 | juco | that's what I get |
| 14:32.57 | ScaredyCat | yeah... |
| 14:33.03 | ScaredyCat | it's broken |
| 14:33.06 | ScaredyCat | has been all day |
| 14:33.40 | ScaredyCat | ...... |
| 14:33.41 | ixs | ScaredyCat: I concur... |
| 14:33.45 | loufoque | what does openmoko does that GPE Phone does not? |
| 14:33.47 | ScaredyCat | ...... ewon |
| 14:34.02 | ScaredyCat | crash? |
| 14:34.20 | ixs | loufoque: It does NOT do calls. And if you order now, you will NOT get a gps. Our lines are open! |
| 14:34.32 | SpeedEvil | You get the GPS hardware. |
| 14:34.36 | ScaredyCat | or wifi |
| 14:34.51 | ixs | SpeedEvil: yeah, you do get hardware, but no soft. |
| 14:34.59 | ScaredyCat | but you can play scummvm games :D |
| 14:35.13 | ixs | RIGHT! |
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| 14:35.31 | ixs | anyway, has anyone ever fiddled with the greenphone? |
| 14:35.42 | loufoque | why not working on improving GPE Phone for the Neo 1973 instead of creating the new code that is openmoko? |
| 14:36.06 | ScaredyCat | because the neo is just one target for open moko... |
| 14:36.12 | ScaredyCat | s/ /s |
| 14:36.13 | ScaredyCat | vmvjfc# |
| 14:36.51 | SpeedEvil | The idea is that eventually OM will run on many phones. |
| 14:37.04 | zecke | ixs: OE own's one greenphone and I have one |
| 14:37.05 | SpeedEvil | Ideally, Nokia et al pick it up. |
| 14:37.51 | ScaredyCat | i wish someone would :/ |
| 14:37.54 | loufoque | I still don't understand the need to create openmoko, since there is GPE Phone which is the same thing and that already supports quite some hardware. |
| 14:38.06 | ScaredyCat | then they could throw a few coders at it |
| 14:38.52 | SpeedEvil | GPE phone came later. |
| 14:38.56 | ScaredyCat | loufoque: because fic want something different ? |
| 14:39.27 | SpeedEvil | GPE phone started in march |
| 14:39.40 | loufoque | GPE itself existed before that |
| 14:40.11 | edistar | if I buy a device in oct. or november, will it be software-upgradeable to the finished consumer product sometime? |
| 14:40.18 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 14:40.21 | SpeedEvil | Or now. |
| 14:40.35 | SpeedEvil | The idea is that the whole ball of wax is basically open-source software. |
| 14:40.44 | SpeedEvil | you can install it on any supported phone. |
| 14:40.52 | ozarka | Can you buy a GPE Phone today? |
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| 14:41.11 | zash_se | MMN-o! |
| 14:41.21 | SpeedEvil | And changes to the OM applications in the future will just be installable on your existing phone. |
| 14:41.25 | edistar | I mean will the hardware basically stay the same? |
| 14:41.37 | SpeedEvil | edistar: probably. |
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| 14:41.49 | SpeedEvil | edistar: that's to a large extent not the point though. |
| 14:42.03 | MMN-o | zash_se! |
| 14:42.31 | SpeedEvil | The eventual ideal is that you buy a phone you like (supported one of course), and install whatever stuff you want. |
| 14:42.38 | SpeedEvil | Or take the preinstalled image and just use that. |
| 14:42.53 | edistar | SpeedEvil: I know.. but I have the problem at the moment that my n770 doesn't run all the software for the n800 |
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| 14:43.23 | SpeedEvil | That's presumably as some of the apps are closed source. |
| 14:43.30 | SpeedEvil | Or the drivers are not there, or the hardware. |
| 14:43.46 | edistar | SpeedEvil: well... maybe.. but it was also e.g. wesnoth |
| 14:43.49 | SpeedEvil | If you have opensource software, and hardware with drivers, it all should work. |
| 14:43.55 | SpeedEvil | wesnoth? |
| 14:44.16 | edistar | battle for wesnoth, an OSS game ;) |
| 14:44.22 | edistar | just an unimportant example |
| 14:44.34 | SpeedEvil | Well - given OS operating system, and application, you can fix it yourself. |
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| 14:44.52 | SpeedEvil | In principle, the idea is for all the core apps at least to be very portable. |
| 14:44.57 | edistar | SpeedEvil: ok |
| 14:45.03 | SpeedEvil | Games that use specific hardware won't be. |
| 14:45.09 | Writchie | edistar: Does you n770 connect successfully with Windows XP using the RNDIS |
| 14:45.13 | SpeedEvil | If they require an accel, for example. |
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| 14:46.59 | Tyrae1 | Someone tried SettingsGUI? |
| 14:48.43 | edistar | Writchie: don't have xp |
| 14:49.12 | edistar | Writchie: running debian here |
| 14:49.29 | Writchie | ok thanks, that uses a different interface than RNDIS |
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| 14:55.26 | dcordes | hi |
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| 14:59.49 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MokoMakefile]] [[User:ThomasWood]] |
| 15:00.38 | dcordes | is it possible to build an openmoko image with spare oe yet? (without using the script) |
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| 15:35.55 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: did the patch help? |
| 15:36.35 | folken | do i correctly assume that since there has been a kernel update (ipkg) i need to reflash the kernel with dfu-util? |
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| 15:43.56 | ewon | I'm being blamed for whatnow? |
| 15:44.09 | XorA | ~blame ewon for something |
| 15:44.10 | apt | ACTION blames paulproteus and perhaps ewon for something and all the evil in the world |
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| 15:48.26 | ScaredyCat | thomasg: no.... |
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| 15:51.19 | ScaredyCat | the patch was applied ok... |
| 15:51.27 | ScaredyCat | it's bad data... |
| 15:51.37 | ccube_ | hi all |
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| 16:05.17 | ScaredyCat | s;v |
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| 16:06.44 | ScaredyCat | holy crap - berlios.de ... it's alive!!! |
| 16:07.46 | ewon | zomg |
| 16:08.37 | FuzzyCat | ~lart svn.berlios.de |
| 16:08.37 | apt | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking svn.berlios.de's head off |
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| 16:34.23 | MarcelPentium | salut |
| 16:34.52 | torpor | guys .. is there a really easy way to set up internet on bluetooth? i'm using ajzaurusUSB on Mac OSX and getting kernel panics (on my macbook) whenever i try to do big transfers .. so i want to swap to bluetooth and see if that gives me less hassle... anyone know if this is working on openmoko yet, and if so, how so? |
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| 16:42.08 | xkr47 | is there any plans to get the kinetic scrolling into webkit ? |
| 16:42.10 | xkr47 | are* |
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| 16:46.17 | b1303s__ | torpor: you can try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth |
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| 16:46.49 | b1303s__ | dunno with a mac .. |
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| 17:39.05 | geohot | hey |
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| 17:39.35 | geohot | are the schematics for the openmoko available anywhere? |
| 17:39.35 | aloril | geohot: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:40.39 | geohot | are the schematics for the boards of the openmoko available anywhere? |
| 17:41.26 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 17:41.32 | SpeedEvil | And openmoko is the software |
| 17:41.39 | SpeedEvil | Neo1973 is the hardware |
| 17:41.44 | geohot | well the neo1973 the |
| 17:41.46 | geohot | *then |
| 17:42.09 | geohot | will they ever be available? |
| 17:42.18 | SpeedEvil | probably not. |
| 17:42.41 | hozer | FIC *is* a hardware company after all ;) |
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| 17:49.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ/fr]] [[SettingsGUI]] |
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| 18:08.22 | folken | cool.. statisfying to make the first working calls from the gui. |
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| 18:11.42 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 18:11.48 | bedboi | any dbus expert out there? |
| 18:12.03 | torpor | folken: what gui? calls to what? |
| 18:13.13 | folken | torpor: regular openmoko gui with dialer. Calls to/from landlines and gsm. |
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| 18:16.55 | hozer | folken: awesome.. this is current svn? |
| 18:17.36 | folken | hozer: current image updated with ikpg and new kernel 2.6.22 |
| 18:18.03 | folken | hozer: however i need to still kill gsmd and xserver.. then restart gsmd and xserver. Then it asks for pin and just works. |
| 18:18.13 | hozer | did you build the kernel? |
| 18:18.35 | hozer | I built a kernel and made a uImage, and it seemed to boot, but never gave me the splash screen |
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| 18:19.31 | folken | hozer: yes its a selfbuilt kernel build from mokomakefile. |
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| 18:20.01 | folken | hozer: currently the splashscreen only appears partialy. Something is broken there.. |
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| 18:30.15 | hozer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.40 | hozer | I booted it from ram, and it sat for 20 minutes at least and never really booted |
| 18:31.22 | folken | hozer: i flashed it. |
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| 18:52.53 | folken | hmm dialer is completley broken now (today) when i dial 0 or asterisk it segfaults instantly. |
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| 18:55.05 | folken | but only if its the first digit. |
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| 18:57.36 | folken | yacc: hoi. :) |
| 18:58.26 | yacc | folken? |
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| 18:58.47 | folken | yacc: nur wil .ch |
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| 19:00.22 | yacc | folken :-P |
| 19:02.40 | cw666 | someone mentioned a satscan URL was posted to the lists but i dont see it, anyone recall the URL/reference? |
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| 19:05.52 | gcb77 | cw666: http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/satscan/satscan_1.0-r0_armv4t.ipk |
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| 19:06.45 | gcb77 | I was just playing with it... nothing inside, but as soon as I walked outside all these stars came up on the screen :) |
| 19:08.06 | cb22 | gcb77, satscan? |
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| 19:08.53 | gcb77 | It was posted on the device-owners list, one of the sphyrna project hackers wrote a really simple app to test out the GPS |
| 19:09.09 | cb22 | nice |
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| 19:11.01 | baze | anyone knows how robust the case and the touch screen of the neo are? |
| 19:11.41 | Aria | Pretty damn solid. # how's that for empirical |
| 19:11.45 | XorA|gone | case is pretty damn solid |
| 19:11.52 | XorA|gone | I havent hammered the touchscreen though |
| 19:12.14 | XorA|gone | my bv2 doesnt even have any screws in it and its never fallen apart |
| 19:12.50 | baze | sounds good :) |
| 19:12.54 | SpeedEvil | baze: there are drop reports on the wiki. See |
| 19:12.58 | SpeedEvil | Robustness |
| 19:13.01 | SpeedEvil | or search for it |
| 19:13.03 | baze | thanks |
| 19:13.05 | XorA|gone | someone needs to blend one |
| 19:13.18 | cb22 | neo smoothie |
| 19:14.00 | cb22 | ouch, how can someone purposfully damage one :( |
| 19:14.03 | cb22 | thats sick |
| 19:14.16 | XorA|gone | not seend the video of someone blending an iPhone? |
| 19:14.36 | cb22 | an iPhone is ok to blend |
| 19:14.40 | cb22 | but a neo - never! |
| 19:14.47 | baze | on willitblend? |
| 19:15.17 | guaqua | has someone bleded the iphone already? :D |
| 19:15.32 | XorA|gone | guaqua: months ago |
| 19:15.37 | guaqua | ooh |
| 19:16.21 | folken | this satscan thing is cool. :) |
| 19:16.32 | folken | now if i only knew how to interpret the output. |
| 19:18.37 | gcb77 | folken: there's a readme, but basically you have sat numbers on the left, freq on top |
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| 19:18.58 | gcb77 | and power graph: _-=^* |
| 19:19.03 | gcb77 | _ is 0 |
| 19:19.12 | gcb77 | * is over 80% signal strength |
| 19:20.20 | folken | gcb77: thank you. |
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| 19:22.12 | ScaredyCat | *blink* |
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| 19:24.25 | cw666 | gcb77: hmm... how long did it take before you saw it find something? |
| 19:24.52 | gcb77 | cw666: right away outside, nothing inside. |
| 19:25.35 | gcb77 | It takes almost a minute to scan every sat on every freq and start over |
| 19:26.19 | cw666 | gcb77: yeah, nothing here, might be the building & balcony above |
| 19:27.10 | gcb77 | cw666: Maybe they forgot to put the GPS chip in yours :0 (just kidding, ofcourse) |
| 19:29.15 | thomasg | if I have equally named .bb-files in different folders in $BBPATH, is there a prefered path (the order of the paths in $BBPATH?) - or will it result in conflicts? |
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| 19:48.47 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MokoMakefile]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Linkoping]] [[IPhone/es]] [[Booting_from_SD]] [[FAQ/fr]] |
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| 19:58.15 | folken | heh, i just got the mediaplayer to work. Wrote a playlist in the editor and uploaded it: docs here: http://www.xspf.org/quickstart/ |
| 19:58.35 | folken | soundquality of the headset rocks. :) |
| 19:58.43 | meus | folken: sweet |
| 19:58.48 | ScaredyCat | heheh |
| 19:58.57 | ScaredyCat | that's folken sweet |
| 19:58.58 | gcb77 | folken: does it still play through both the speaker and headset? |
| 19:59.07 | meus | i wonder how complete the software will be when gta02 arrives |
| 19:59.13 | folken | gcb77: unfortunatly yes. |
| 19:59.47 | folken | gcb77: question is wheter the switching is implemented in the driver or in alsa |
| 20:01.41 | stefan|aalborg | folken: mickey|zzZZzz plans to implement speaker muting when headset is inserted while we are in denmark. Gives you hopefully an even better experience. :) |
| 20:02.42 | ScaredyCat | is there a fix for the mtd-utils build problem? |
| 20:02.59 | gcb77 | doh, trying to refill my prepaid TMobile card... there's just no way to do it |
| 20:03.01 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: what about the OE patch I told you? |
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| 20:03.17 | ScaredyCat | thomasg: it was applied, still broken |
| 20:03.24 | folken | stefan|aalborg: thx for the info. :) |
| 20:03.27 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: still works perfectly for me |
| 20:03.54 | mwester | gcb77: you serious? You can buy refill cards at the local drugstore, no? |
| 20:03.59 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: just add the line: TAG = "9845d92440bd87739c89edd000fd6e0c47fab185" |
| 20:04.19 | ScaredyCat | I get a 404 for the download.. then a 'fatal: Not a git repository' |
| 20:04.26 | thomasg | and modify the SRC_URI line to look like this: SRC_URI = "git://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git;protocol=git;tag=${TAG} |
| 20:04.35 | thomasg | that's all and it should work |
| 20:04.46 | gcb77 | mwester: I can't get the password to log in online, since that's a text message. |
| 20:05.05 | gcb77 | mwester: And I cant use *233 to call, since I cant send tones for selections |
| 20:05.08 | Ghiottone | hello mokoers |
| 20:07.12 | mwester | gcb77: Ah, ok. Now that I think about it, I had to borrow my daughter's unlocked RAZR to get the password, 'cause my cell phone is locked to Cingular |
| 20:07.41 | ScaredyCat | thomasg: I have TAG = "9845d92440bd87739c89edd000fd6e0c47fab185" |
| 20:08.33 | ScaredyCat | the src_uri has SRC_URI = "git://git.infradead.org/mtd-utils.git;protocol=git;tag=${TAG} \ plus the other fix lines |
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| 20:09.05 | thomasg | I did my last update before 2 hours and it worked for me |
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| 20:09.53 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 20:11.21 | thomasg | can you nopaste me the error log? |
| 20:11.29 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 20:12.48 | Ghiottone | is there a way to configure gnome (or gtk I don't know) font size without using gnome-control-center? |
| 20:13.08 | Aria | tweak the gconf registry or edit the theme. |
| 20:13.29 | kristian-m | folken try http://mput.de/~kristian/.openmoko/stereospeakers.state and http://mput.de/~kristian/.openmoko/stereoheadphones.state - to activate only speakers or headphones |
| 20:13.30 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/676136 |
| 20:16.03 | folken | kristian-m: works perfectly. :) |
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| 20:16.26 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, hello. does the SettingsGUI package work? |
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| 20:17.17 | kristian-m | Ghiottone oh, i haven't tryed the package yet |
| 20:17.35 | folken | i just wonder what happens when i recieve a call now.. |
| 20:17.55 | kristian-m | Ghiottone version 0.5 is finished, I'll try out the package right now |
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| 20:18.05 | folken | kristian-m: have you tried to make calls with your headset profile ? |
| 20:18.18 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: can you also paste the mtd-utils_1.0.0+git.bb file? |
| 20:18.26 | ScaredyCat | sure |
| 20:18.26 | thomasg | the patched one |
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| 20:18.46 | quicksand | Woohoo! USB RNDIS finally works with Windows XP. (My employer's PC.) I just updated the wiki. |
| 20:19.40 | quicksand | Kernel 2.6.22.5-moko11 seems to have fixed it. |
| 20:19.46 | Aria | woot! |
| 20:19.51 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/676148 |
| 20:20.19 | kristian-m | folken this one is not for the gsm-modul - only for pcm out |
| 20:20.35 | folken | kristian-m: ok |
| 20:20.36 | kristian-m | Ghiottone it's working, thanks :-) |
| 20:21.13 | folken | the mixer kind of loses me.. :) |
| 20:21.28 | folken | just way too many channels. |
| 20:22.05 | kristian-m | folken use the "amp" settings |
| 20:23.22 | folken | kristian-m: ah, found it. thx. |
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| 20:24.52 | polz | does the neo1973 come with any sort of warranty ? |
| 20:25.20 | ScaredyCat | 'You break it you own the pieces' warranty |
| 20:25.57 | mickeyl | evening. |
| 20:26.02 | mickeyl | "warranty void if not open" |
| 20:26.12 | happycube | lol! |
| 20:26.23 | CM | Hehe |
| 20:26.24 | ScaredyCat | does that inglude the gps .. |
| 20:26.25 | ScaredyCat | ahem |
| 20:26.32 | polz | how about "sorry we sent you broken earphones, let us replace them" warranty ? |
| 20:26.32 | Stephmw | mickeyl: "it compiled, ship it!" |
| 20:26.32 | ScaredyCat | include |
| 20:26.37 | mickeyl | Stephmw: :D |
| 20:27.00 | Stephmw | mickeyl: ok, I've never been anywhere quite that bad |
| 20:27.12 | Stephmw | mickeyl: last place we purified, linted and code inspected |
| 20:28.29 | mickeyl | right |
| 20:28.43 | mickeyl | ok, now lets see which key the headphone sends on insert |
| 20:29.08 | Stephmw | <hangup> |
| 20:30.04 | ScaredyCat | prolly the power key |
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| 20:31.19 | ScaredyCat | thomasg: the same right ? |
| 20:31.52 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: no, it's not the same problem as for me :( |
| 20:32.06 | ScaredyCat | I mena the files are the same ? |
| 20:32.07 | thomasg | it seems it just fails at downloading one single file |
| 20:32.13 | thomasg | yeah, it's all correct |
| 20:32.42 | thomasg | on the om download server I couldn't find the file he is looking for |
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| 20:36.27 | ScaredyCat | no, it's not there... |
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| 20:36.55 | bedboi | anyone good at dbus (glib bindings)? |
| 20:40.00 | Ghiottone | Aria I think I have missed the answer, if there was |
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| 20:42.52 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 20:43.45 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2860 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: try to capture headphone insertion / removal |
| 20:45.36 | gcb77 | \ |
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| 20:47.28 | mdt | bedboi, what do u want to know? |
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| 20:53.16 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2861 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: fix reversed logic in headphone detection *cough* |
| 20:57.30 | Aria | Ghiottone: tweak the gconf registry or edit the theme. |
| 20:57.33 | mickeyl | ok, detection works. now lets see how to tweak one alsa mixer control |
| 20:58.53 | Ghiottone | Aria, where are the files? |
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| 20:59.52 | Aria | Ghiottone: Not sure on the neo |
| 21:00.33 | Ghiottone | in root's home there aren't any |
| 21:01.51 | daxxar | Is there any page that has like 'status' on various ``core'' features? |
| 21:02.04 | mickeyl | XorA|gone: don't worry, i won't ask you to do it :) |
| 21:03.15 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: scripting or ioctl |
| 21:03.38 | mickeyl | XorA|gone: i need to control just one mixer param. can i do that w/ alsactl ? |
| 21:03.51 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: amixer |
| 21:04.19 | mickeyl | aah good |
| 21:04.23 | daxxar | Hum, aren't there any wiki pages on a proposal for an SMS application? |
| 21:04.24 | mickeyl | going to use that for a while |
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| 21:04.25 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 21:04.48 | kristian-m | hmm, maybe the best way to do this in the long run would be to include a boolean mixer-setting - "disable speakers on headset" directly into the sound driver... |
| 21:05.19 | XorA|gone | kristian-m: your way behind |
| 21:05.39 | kristian-m | oh, kay |
| 21:05.47 | abraxa_ | daxxar: Not that I'm aware of |
| 21:06.24 | daxxar | And what's the status on the jitter issue? |
| 21:06.57 | Ghiottone | how do I turn the gps chip on? |
| 21:06.59 | daxxar | Hm, no hits on 'jitter'. What words should I look for? |
| 21:07.35 | XorA|gone | amixer sset "Amp Mode" "Headphones" |
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| 21:07.56 | XorA|gone | amixer sset "Amp Mode" "Stereo Speakers" |
| 21:07.59 | XorA|gone | mickeyl: there :-) |
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| 21:08.26 | mickeyl | XorA|gone: cool, merci |
| 21:09.10 | XorA|gone | although its gonna be funny if someone is in a gsm call and removes headphones :-) |
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| 21:13.43 | ScaredyCat | thomasg: do you have the tarball ? |
| 21:15.32 | bedboi | mdt: i'm writing a componentized application |
| 21:15.35 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2862 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: change alsa amp mode on headphone insertion / removal. thanks XorA |
| 21:15.44 | bedboi | mdt: the problem is that one component must be run as root |
| 21:16.06 | bedboi | so i should use the SYSTEM bus |
| 21:16.07 | mdt | bedboi, you want to use system or session dbus? |
| 21:17.16 | cw666 | what daemon is responsible for the PM stuff? |
| 21:17.18 | cw666 | neod? |
| 21:17.30 | mdt | bedboi, no, you don't need to. you may start a session bus for root also |
| 21:17.32 | bedboi | mdt: the problem is that the root component won't see the other components if all the other components are sitting on the session bus |
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| 21:17.46 | bedboi | mdt: but the two buses won't see each other |
| 21:18.22 | mdt | bedboi, ah, ohne one component runs as root... understand. the other run as what? |
| 21:18.31 | bedboi | as normal user. |
| 21:18.48 | bedboi | there is no problem for me to use the system bus. |
| 21:19.04 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2863 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: make it compile |
| 21:19.17 | mdt | bedboi, what does 'normal' mean, you have only root on the neo today ;) |
| 21:19.19 | bedboi | the problem is this: i have objects whose names are foo.bar.something_%d |
| 21:19.47 | bedboi | where %d is an integer |
| 21:19.48 | dsilva | rwhitby: the openssh-sshd package is missing the setup: set /etc/ssh/sshd_config to allow root login, permit password login, permit empty passwords, and then run /etc/init.d/sshd start |
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| 21:20.40 | mdt | bedboi, okay... i used python/glib/dbus. this should not be a problem... or does it? |
| 21:21.29 | polz | can anyone here suggest how I can test the microphone on my earphones ? |
| 21:21.34 | bedboi | mdt:the problem is that when you use the system bus there are security restrictions |
| 21:21.50 | polz | I've just repaired the speakers (by opening the connector and soldering back a loose wire |
| 21:21.53 | polz | ) |
| 21:22.06 | polz | and now I'm not sure whether the mike still works |
| 21:22.40 | pjz | polz: run some sound-recording app? |
| 21:23.00 | bedboi | mdt: are you able to send a message using glib bindings just knowing the object path? |
| 21:23.11 | mdt | bedboi, hm, i did not use the system bus... don't know. perhaps the %d is not the right idea? |
| 21:23.14 | bedboi | mdt: so with objects that haven't registered a name on the bus |
| 21:23.25 | polz | pjz: how can I select the headphones mike as the source ? |
| 21:23.28 | bedboi | mdt: something like foo_1234 |
| 21:23.31 | mdt | bedboi, in python i could. yes. |
| 21:23.40 | bedboi | mdt: what do you use? |
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| 21:24.37 | dsilva | rwhitby: other than that though (lots of tapping on the touchscreen terminal), sshfs works great |
| 21:24.38 | mdt | bedboi, in c i avoid glib... |
| 21:25.26 | mickeyl | yay |
| 21:25.28 | mickeyl | it workz |
| 21:25.50 | mdt | bedboi, in c i avoid glib... but i only use events in c and yes, they are not registered. |
| 21:26.00 | XorA|gone | ~praise OH and their claws-mail hack |
| 21:26.00 | apt | All hail OH and their claws-mail hack! |
| 21:27.34 | bedboi | mdt: do you have any example in C? |
| 21:28.15 | mdt | bedboi, for events only... |
| 21:29.57 | Writchie | anybody having trouble with build - internal consistency failure - while compiling nf_nat-H323.c in 2.6.22.5-moko11 ?? |
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| 21:32.06 | XorA|gone | hmm, midori runs as root and not as user :-( |
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| 21:33.11 | _diego_ | how can i download file from a openmoko shell? |
| 21:33.33 | mickeyl | wget |
| 21:33.35 | Ghiottone | wget? |
| 21:34.08 | _diego_ | ok... it seems i can't route to internet... |
| 21:34.20 | hads | Well yes, you'll need that first... |
| 21:36.23 | Ghiottone | the usb networking page on the wiki has some good tips, iirc |
| 21:38.19 | mdt | bedboi, here is my c-code: http://rafb.net/p/Qvxk8328.html - i reduced it a little but this is more or less what's needed. dbus needs a own thread because the message read blocks. i didn't find a handle to use select()... :/ |
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| 21:40.23 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, what's new with SettingsGUI 0.5? |
| 21:41.50 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:41.58 | XorA|gone | yo rwhitby |
| 21:42.01 | Ghiottone | hello rwhitby |
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| 21:44.18 | kristian-m | Ghiottone gsm cell and state information |
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| 21:46.16 | quicksand | XorA: what's the claws-mail hack? I have that app on my moko but it doesn't fit the screen well at all, nor can I access the context menu. |
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| 21:46.37 | rwhitby | has anyone tried the native-sdk ipkg install on the neo yet? |
| 21:47.40 | quicksand | rwhitby: the deafening silence suggests not. |
| 21:48.23 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, oh. I did not notice cause I don't have a sim in my neo. |
| 21:48.40 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, I have uploaded the package for 0.5 and updated the link in my user page |
| 21:48.47 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Alessandro]] [[Talk:FAQ]] [[SettingsGUI]] [[Neo1973_and_Windows]] |
| 21:49.02 | rwhitby | 128MB ram should be enough to self-host MokoMakefile on the neo ;-) |
| 21:49.11 | XorA|gone | quicksand: to make the folders and messages different screens |
| 21:49.33 | kristian-m | Ghiottone thanks |
| 21:49.47 | mjr | rwhitby, that's what swap over nfs is for |
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| 21:50.01 | cw666 | mjr: except it would deadlock :-) |
| 21:50.17 | XorA|gone | why not swap on the USB harddisk? |
| 21:50.24 | Ghiottone | rwhitby, it would need at least a 32GB microSD card.... |
| 21:50.43 | kristian-m | Ghiottone i'll be a while until 0.6 i plan to include ppp configuration for gprs |
| 21:50.43 | SpeedEvil | swapping onto SD is not a problem. |
| 21:51.26 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, great |
| 21:51.41 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, some buttons to connect and disconnect would be very nice too |
| 21:52.40 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: seems to me a 128MB swap space on the SD would rather nice |
| 21:53.20 | Writchie | as soon as bugfix for the SD writes confirmed |
| 21:53.21 | kristian-m | Ghiottone for gsm or gprs? - for gprs, it's on the todo list |
| 21:54.26 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, gprs. but it will need gsm to be active to work |
| 21:55.20 | stefan|aalborg | Writchie: It is confirmed. With the patch I have not seen any problem under high load tests for the SDHC card |
| 21:55.22 | XorA|gone | Writchie: 133M written to card, no errors yet |
| 21:55.43 | XorA|gone | Writchie: with a Sandisk Ultra II |
| 21:55.44 | Writchie | great |
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| 21:55.59 | Writchie | kritian-m: are you aware of the AT%EM commands |
| 21:56.33 | Writchie | s/kritian-m/kristian-m/ |
| 21:57.07 | quicksand | XorA: Ah. Well that does seem to work. Actually the whole application seems to work pretty well, except for that not-able-to-use-it thing. |
| 21:57.32 | quicksand | (actually, I should give it another try now that I have adjusted my dpi setting to something more sane) |
| 21:57.55 | kristian-m | Writchie what do you mean? |
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| 21:58.48 | Writchie | kristian-m: it's an engineering mode command which gives all kinds of additional info e.g. neighboring cells, number of pdp contexts allowed, etc. |
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| 21:59.17 | kristian-m | Writchie oh, that sounds fun :-) - is there a list? |
| 22:00.15 | kristian-m | Writchie I am in 2 cells here with the same location ID - would be interesting to find out what else there is and how the signal stenght to other cells is... |
| 22:00.37 | rwhitby | woohoo! I can now simply plug my neo into my home router, and it's instantly on the lan :-) |
| 22:00.41 | Writchie | kristian-m: I found docs from a gsm module that appears to use a somewhat later chipset than the neo (with EDGE) but most of the commands seem to work and match the documentation. |
| 22:00.57 | Writchie | hold on i'll get a link for you. |
| 22:01.45 | thseiler | regarding location of gsm cells, i found this site: www.cellspotting.com |
| 22:01.58 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2864 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-firststart2/ (24 files in 4 dirs): initial import of openmoko-firststart2 |
| 22:02.51 | Writchie | kristian-m: rwhitby: http://www.enfora.com/media/EDG0108TN001_-_Enabler_II-E_Engineering_Mode_Manual.pdf |
| 22:03.01 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2865 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/ (gtkassistant gtkrc): openmoko-standard-2: add theming for gtkassistant |
| 22:04.32 | kristian-m | Writchie thanks, i'll have a look at this |
| 22:04.50 | rwhitby | Writchie: awesome, thx. Looks like you get direct access to the mibs and sibs. |
| 22:05.07 | Writchie | kristian-m: AT%EM=2,1 through 2,13 should work more or less on the neo |
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| 22:06.22 | polz | in case anyone wonders, the mixer "channel" you have to tweak is Neo Mode |
| 22:08.39 | XorA|gone | polz: use the pre-defined states in /etc/alsa |
| 22:08.57 | Writchie | XorA: are these working now? |
| 22:09.16 | XorA|gone | Writchie: alphanone made some changes to make them work AFAIK |
| 22:09.59 | Writchie | what is that - microsoft OOXML spec? |
| 22:10.03 | polz | XorA|gone: the real problem was that someone forgot to solder 2 wires to a connector |
| 22:10.10 | polz | in some factory in chine |
| 22:10.13 | polz | chinA |
| 22:10.36 | XorA|gone | polz: not a problem on my bv2 |
| 22:10.44 | polz | I've opened the bloody thing, soldered the wires on and glued the thing together |
| 22:11.21 | polz | so now everything works, but the connector looks like crap now :) |
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| 22:11.31 | SpeedEvil | Anyone have a clue on if it's possible to get cell broadcasts in plain text? |
| 22:12.00 | XorA|gone | anyway time for sleep |
| 22:12.07 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: you should be able to get them in text mode? |
| 22:12.10 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: libgsmtool show the name of my suburb in plain text from the cell broadcast |
| 22:12.13 | SpeedEvil | I have a partially written awk thingy to parse them. |
| 22:12.30 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: As I understand it that's only normally supported for SMSs |
| 22:12.37 | SpeedEvil | not cell broadcasts. |
| 22:12.45 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: with what args? |
| 22:12.54 | rwhitby | when I register |
| 22:14.32 | ScaredyCat | how long does it usually take for someone yo |
| 22:14.38 | ScaredyCat | oops |
| 22:15.07 | ScaredyCat | how long does it usually take for someone to fix a missing file download from the openmoko servers? |
| 22:15.38 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: AT+CPMS=? should return available memories. |
| 22:15.50 | Writchie | it may depend on whether SIM supports it. |
| 22:16.05 | Writchie | I haven't seen T-Mobile US support CBM's |
| 22:16.32 | polz | now, the next question: how do I get rid of the horrible echo when using the neo as a phone ? |
| 22:16.55 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: as I understand it, you can select whatever memory you like, and recieve messages in binary format for each, but SMS only works in ascii |
| 22:17.06 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: as I understand it, you can select whatever memory you like, and recieve messages in binary format for each, but only SMS works in ascii |
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| 22:17.50 | SpeedEvil | polz: maybe turn down 'sidetone' in the mixer? |
| 22:19.19 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: how? I don't see any obvious commands. |
| 22:20.49 | cw666 | Writchie: RSTR=`+CPMS: ("ME","SM"),("ME","SM"),("ME","SM")' |
| 22:20.49 | cw666 | CBMs are what? |
| 22:20.51 | cw666 | cell broadcast messages? |
| 22:20.57 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 22:21.09 | cw666 | ok, so the above means the sim i have can't/won't support them i take it? |
| 22:21.14 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: mine came unsolicited |
| 22:21.22 | polz | SpeedEvil: I'll try that. |
| 22:21.44 | polz | SpeedEvil: although I thought the sidetone was just some sort of "white noise" |
| 22:21.49 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. my libgsmtool is crashing |
| 22:22.07 | SpeedEvil | polz: it's feedback from mic to speaker to tell you that you are speaking |
| 22:22.08 | polz | SpeedEvil: btw, I don't hear the echo, the people I talk to do. |
| 22:22.15 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:22.35 | polz | and that's what I'd like to get rid of |
| 22:22.51 | SpeedEvil | It should not actually feed into teh line. |
| 22:22.58 | rwhitby | hmm - now I just need to work out how to distinguish between my two neo's via hotplug so I can set them up on separate subnets via usb0 and usb1 ... |
| 22:23.08 | polz | I think the microphone picks up the speaker |
| 22:23.22 | SpeedEvil | polz: try headset? |
| 22:23.24 | polz | and sends the voice of whoever you're speaking to back |
| 22:23.43 | polz | SpeedEvil: that fixes the problem, but it also makes the phone much less handy |
| 22:23.47 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: I think they are random MACs. |
| 22:23.53 | rwhitby | yes, they are. |
| 22:24.01 | rwhitby | that needs to be fixed. |
| 22:24.03 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: maybe set one phone up to use an IP other than 192.168.0.202? |
| 22:24.20 | rwhitby | I've set the second up on 192.168.1.202 |
| 22:24.44 | rwhitby | but I need to know which one is plugged in, so I can do the correct ifconfig for the usbX network device. |
| 22:25.05 | rwhitby | (and the appropriate iptables commands and such on the router) |
| 22:25.08 | thomasg | mickeyl: is imlib2 in OE broken? |
| 22:25.26 | mickeyl | not that i know of |
| 22:25.28 | mickeyl | what's wrong? |
| 22:25.42 | thomasg | it complains about the loaders modules |
| 22:25.56 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: should get ("BM","ME","SM") memories when CBM is supported |
| 22:26.20 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 22:26.35 | Writchie | Are you getting these message in pdu mode or not at all? |
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| 22:28.30 | mickeyl | thomasg: ah, it's plugin based, it may need OE_LT_RPATH_ALLOW |
| 22:28.38 | mickeyl | thomasg: where does it searches its plugins? |
| 22:28.58 | thomasg | mickeyl: wait a second - I removed the work dir for imlib2 and now it fails at another point :) |
| 22:29.19 | thomasg | make DESTDIR=/OE/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/imlib2-1.4.0.002-r0/image install |
| 22:29.31 | thomasg | make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 22:29.55 | mickeyl | srcdate changed |
| 22:29.59 | mickeyl | it's past 12 |
| 22:30.01 | mickeyl | bitbake -c rebuild imlib2 |
| 22:30.09 | mickeyl | try adding the following: |
| 22:30.26 | mickeyl | OE_LT_RPATH_ALLOW = "any" |
| 22:30.27 | mickeyl | OE_LT_RPATH_ALLOW[export]="1" |
| 22:30.29 | mickeyl | then rebuild |
| 22:30.36 | mickeyl | and upgrade imlib + filters + modules |
| 22:30.40 | mickeyl | they should load then |
| 22:32.10 | mickeyl | bed time |
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| 22:32.12 | mickeyl | g'night |
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| 22:33.47 | ScaredyCat | thomasg: do you have that tarball that's missing from the openmoko servers? |
| 22:34.49 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: no, sry, I have rm_work active and think it deleted it :( |
| 22:35.14 | thomasg | I'll try a `find` |
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| 22:35.25 | thomasg | can you give me the exact name pls? |
| 22:35.32 | ScaredyCat | so no one is actually updating and building at all ? |
| 22:35.33 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: it looks to me like both ME and SM memory is supported for CBM |
| 22:35.53 | ScaredyCat | git_git.infradead.org.mtd-utils.git_9845d92440bd87739c89edd000fd6e0c47fab185.tar.gz |
| 22:36.49 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: found it |
| 22:37.01 | thomasg | http://gstaedtner.net/git_git.infradead.org.mtd-utils.git_9845d92440bd87739c89edd000fd6e0c47fab185.tar.gz |
| 22:38.00 | ScaredyCat | you're a star thomasg - thanks |
| 22:38.09 | ScaredyCat | thomasg++ |
| 22:38.13 | thomasg | np :) |
| 22:38.57 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: Looks like the default is no CBM messages received. |
| 22:39.13 | SpeedEvil | yeah - you've got to setup the set of CBMs you want to get. |
| 22:39.23 | ScaredyCat | ooo that;s broken bad |
| 22:39.25 | SpeedEvil | though you can also say which ones you don't want to get. |
| 22:39.26 | Writchie | you may be able to change this to all messages received with AT+CSCB=1,"","" |
| 22:40.51 | thomasg | I hate openembedded -.- |
| 22:41.11 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: to you ever get any "Area Info" on you regular GSM phone? |
| 22:42.13 | thomasg | Writchie: for nokia series60 phones, there's a freeware called celltrack. there's also a commercial software from nokia (very expensive), called net monitor |
| 22:43.04 | Writchie | thomasg: what is it supposed to do? |
| 22:44.10 | thomasg | it shows you the area information |
| 22:44.29 | ixs | Writchie: it gives you cell-id, lac, network name etc.. |
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| 22:44.32 | ixs | Writchie: signal monitor |
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| 22:44.57 | thomasg | net monitor can do much more, but for basic use celltrack is ok |
| 22:45.33 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: I've never plugged this SIM into a regular phone. |
| 22:45.42 | Writchie | thomasg: it looks like using AT%EM=x,y: we can get a lot info for later offline analysis |
| 22:46.08 | ScaredyCat | is there anyone here with access to the openmoko servers?? |
| 22:46.09 | Writchie | thomsag: could probably make a kick-ass open source GSM network monitor ;) |
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| 22:46.36 | thomasg | Writchie: yes, I'm really looking forward to this :) |
| 22:46.50 | ScaredyCat | openembedded-- |
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| 22:47.15 | Writchie | i found band switch AT commands but unfortunately they seem to be disabled |
| 22:47.19 | ScaredyCat | thomasg: you ned to get that file pushed to the openmoko servers :) |
| 22:47.32 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: did it help? |
| 22:47.32 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: where are you getting docs? |
| 22:47.34 | Writchie | anyone know if 850 has yet been confirmed to work or not work? |
| 22:47.43 | Writchie | which docs? |
| 22:47.53 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: Command reference docs |
| 22:48.07 | ScaredyCat | yes, except I forgot that I cleared out my work dir, but not the stamps.. rebuilding now |
| 22:48.10 | thomasg | Writchie: afaik it's disabled at moment, because there is no approval in the states |
| 22:48.45 | Writchie | thomasg: that sucks big time - no one ever mentioned this - and I assume its a firmware reload to fix it. |
| 22:48.48 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: maybe you want to do a bugzilla entry. you can link to the file on my server if you want |
| 22:48.53 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: i have som on my site |
| 22:48.55 | jroman | hi all, every day I've getting problems compiling openmoko, I have to rebuild over and over until, for example I am getting problems with webkit-gtk package, anyboy has the same problem? |
| 22:49.24 | thseiler | The cellspotting.com project has a client for nokia series 60 which can also extract cellid, lac etc... They use it to build a global database of gsm cells. Interesting... |
| 22:49.28 | thomasg | jroman: every time I solved one problem, I get another :) |
| 22:49.31 | jroman | (ups, problems with my english) |
| 22:50.02 | thomasg | at least my basic openmoko-devel-image is working at moment - but now I'm in trouble with imlib2... |
| 22:50.12 | abraxa_ | jroman: Do you use mokomakefile? |
| 22:50.15 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: i've been scouring google and turned up some modules that seem to use TI chipsets from enfora. |
| 22:50.19 | ScaredyCat | now I sleep while my precious builds |
| 22:50.34 | Writchie | http://www.enfora.com/media/EDG0108TN001_-_Enabler_II-E_Engineering_Mode_Manual.pdf is a good one with AT%EM commands |
| 22:50.41 | jroman | thomasg: the same symptoms like me :-) |
| 22:50.48 | thomasg | Writchie: I wonder how much information the gsm-module is giving out to the open system |
| 22:50.52 | jroman | abraxa: yes i do |
| 22:50.58 | SpeedEvil | ah. |
| 22:51.24 | Writchie | you can download their other at command references and they document what appear to be TI vendor specific commands. |
| 22:51.47 | Writchie | thomasg: i don't consider these to be any great secrets |
| 22:52.00 | ixs | mh, what is the trigger with mokomakefile to force a rebuild of the images? |
| 22:52.41 | Writchie | however, the operators don't like ordinary people having the info of how bad their network sucks - especially in places like US where it sucks bigtime |
| 22:52.48 | jroman | I'm getting problems with webkit-gtk right now (i always try make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image) and also I try make rebuild-package-<packagename> |
| 22:53.12 | thomasg | Writchie: I work for a operator in europe, and our focus is on quality :) |
| 22:53.42 | Writchie | thomasg: it probably is when you have competition and understand what business you are in |
| 22:54.19 | thomasg | Writchie: there's competition and quality is one of the "unique" selling point :) |
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| 22:54.24 | Writchie | US operators don't understand that they are in the network business - they think they are in the brainwashing business |
| 22:54.45 | Writchie | the GSM model works very well, even with two carriers. |
| 22:55.05 | jroman | is it a problem with my system, is it a problem with openmoko repository? |
| 22:55.06 | ixs | thomasg: and I always thought cheap is a selling point. :D |
| 22:55.08 | Writchie | We only hope that at least AT&T and T-Mobile will end up competing on network |
| 22:55.11 | thomasg | well, with some effort it works with even more carriesrs :) |
| 22:55.31 | ixs | jroman: delete your webkit build dir and your stamp files and your sources, then try make again. |
| 22:55.43 | ixs | jroman: I did a rebuild earlier today which succeeded without problems. |
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| 22:56.24 | thomasg | ixs: my company doesn't like cheap, they like getting much money for few effort :) |
| 22:56.34 | Writchie | there are good economic reasons for duopolies - but only where the handsets are open are people can change networks at will |
| 22:57.17 | jroman | ixs: thx |
| 22:58.11 | ixs | thomasg: mhm. expensive and no service... Which provider was that again? ;-> |
| 22:58.19 | thomasg | Writchie: imho the best thing would be letting the state handle the infrastructure |
| 22:58.32 | thomasg | ixs: I didn't say no service :) |
| 22:58.40 | SpeedEvil | IMO, the state mandating the standards is probably the least bad. |
| 22:58.48 | Writchie | thomasg: State screw up everything they touch. |
| 22:58.51 | ScaredyCat | errrm |
| 22:58.51 | SpeedEvil | Interoperable GSM only. |
| 22:58.56 | ixs | thomasg: expensive and bad service? It's either d2 or t-bim. :D |
| 22:58.56 | thomasg | the service of the competitors is much worse |
| 22:59.00 | SpeedEvil | Though that can really screw up. |
| 22:59.12 | SpeedEvil | For example, UK now has digital audio broadcasting. |
| 22:59.12 | thomasg | Writchie: well, that's the problem :( |
| 22:59.23 | SpeedEvil | In MP2, under 128kbits/second often. |
| 22:59.25 | ixs | jroman: depends. build system is quite nice right now. It#s been much worse the last week |
| 22:59.48 | ScaredyCat | ixs: famous last worda |
| 22:59.53 | SpeedEvil | The quality is usually worse than a decent FM signal. |
| 23:00.03 | ScaredyCat | s/worda/words/ |
| 23:00.17 | Writchie | Just mandate meeting standards liike GSM and prohibiting monopolistic activities like tie-in's of handsets and false advertising and the market would take care of the rest IMHO |
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| 23:00.36 | Writchie | it is essentially that all operators in a country be on the same standard |
| 23:00.37 | SpeedEvil | Spectrum allocation is another issue. |
| 23:00.52 | Writchie | otherwise they are not competitions - only the allusion of being competitors |
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| 23:01.16 | Writchie | s/sllusion/illusion/ |
| 23:01.26 | Writchie | s/illusion/illusion/ |
| 23:01.35 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:01.36 | Writchie | dumb bot should know what i mean not what i say |
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| 23:01.53 | ixs | ScaredyCat: of course. :-D |
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| 23:09.20 | cw666 | did anyone make an mtr[-tiny] package yet? |
| 23:12.05 | Writchie | Anybody else getting the fatal error: internal consistency failure - compiling nf_nat_h323.c in linux-2.6.22.5 ????? |
| 23:13.02 | cw666 | Writchie: gcc crashing? |
| 23:13.11 | Writchie | looks like it |
| 23:13.24 | Writchie | looks like it was rebuilt on this build |
| 23:13.36 | Writchie | or it seemed that I saw that flashing by |
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| 23:13.40 | cw666 | gah |
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| 23:13.55 | cw666 | i so dislike things that touch/rebuild toolcahins all the time for that reason |
| 23:15.23 | Writchie | i don't understand why we can't have stability at least in the compiler? |
| 23:15.32 | Writchie | i.e. the compiler we use. |
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| 23:15.52 | Aria | Note to self: build crossgcc-arm-eabi for my distro tonight. |
| 23:16.55 | cw666 | Writchie: because then you wouldn't have to use 12GB and 5hrs+ for a rebuild? |
| 23:17.17 | Writchie | oh - you mean i would actually get some useful work done? |
| 23:17.33 | cw666 | dont get me started |
| 23:18.05 | cw666 | Writchie: next you'll be wanting sane makefiles and sane build times for smaller apps |
| 23:20.13 | Writchie | i'm starting to miss Visual Studio |
| 23:20.29 | dsilva | is there an easy way to get profiling data (or just instruction counts) on binaries running on the phone? |
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| 23:24.53 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 23:25.07 | SpeedEvil | at%em=2,3 |
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| 23:25.17 | Writchie | cool stuff |
| 23:25.37 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if this in fact gives range to the cells that it's considering logging on to. |
| 23:25.49 | Writchie | crude |
| 23:25.59 | SpeedEvil | Crude, of course. |
| 23:26.24 | SpeedEvil | But significantly better than simple cell-ID/signal-strenght |
| 23:27.07 | Writchie | its only a single operator |
| 23:27.12 | SpeedEvil | (next time I'm out.) |
| 23:27.22 | Writchie | we're often lucky to get one cell |
| 23:27.39 | Writchie | we definitely need a neo engineering mode |
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| 23:27.52 | Writchie | and track all this stuff - integrated with the call handling |
| 23:27.57 | Writchie | and the gps |
| 23:28.03 | Writchie | uber cool |
| 23:28.11 | SpeedEvil | I'm getting three at the moment. |
| 23:28.38 | juco2 | http://www.google.com/support/jobs/bin/static.py?page=why-ny-ny.html&id=research |
| 23:28.46 | juco2 | has a link to: http://www.stat.purdue.edu/%7Echuanhai/docs/callModelBW.pdf |
| 23:28.51 | juco2 | I was looking at that the other day |
| 23:29.12 | SpeedEvil | What is it? |
| 23:29.21 | juco2 | a paper about using the data you are looking at |
| 23:29.27 | SpeedEvil | ah. |
| 23:29.31 | juco2 | A Statistical View of the Transient Signals that Support a |
| 23:29.31 | juco2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.44 | Writchie | i think this was a cdma network |
| 23:30.23 | Writchie | but principles probably similar |
| 23:30.37 | juco2 | oh, hmm, I only started reading it, I did see that they were talking about CDMA but I thought perhaps they were only speaking of CDMA vs TDMA |
| 23:33.01 | LittleIdiot | http://www.okean.com/antispam/iptables/rc.firewall.sinokorea |
| 23:33.27 | LittleIdiot | yeeks, wrong chan |
| 23:33.54 | Writchie | you meant the great firewall of china channel |
| 23:35.26 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: As I see it 2,3 has the majority of the interesting onfo. |
| 23:35.55 | Writchie | IIRC there are some others very interesting when a call is in progress |
| 23:36.00 | Writchie | or gprs session |
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| 23:36.46 | Writchie | unfortunately, there's a lot of work necessary just to handle calls correctly ;) |
| 23:36.53 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - GPRS is interesting. |
| 23:37.01 | SpeedEvil | but GPRS of course would imply a working mux. |
| 23:37.17 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: has the "not really off" been resolved already? |
| 23:37.18 | Writchie | enough data for a court case to get your money back ;) |
| 23:37.42 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: no. |
| 23:38.02 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: the modem turning off has been. |
| 23:38.17 | SpeedEvil | you send it at@poff |
| 23:38.19 | SpeedEvil | and it goes off |
| 23:38.59 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I'm suspecting that something on either the kernel or uboot is turning on the audio amp (which, according to something I saw you saying yesterday on my logs, is connected directly to the battery) |
| 23:39.08 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: and NOTHING is turning it off |
| 23:39.21 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: there is a patch for a partial implementation of the mux code |
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| 23:39.33 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: which means, if it's true, that it's not only wasting power with the phone off, but also wasting power with it _on_ |
| 23:39.50 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: with obvious battery life consequences |
| 23:40.15 | Writchie | prolly not much with nothing playing but every bit helps |
| 23:40.25 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 23:40.48 | SpeedEvil | Determining when the amp should be off is not completely trivial though. |
| 23:40.59 | cesarb | Writchie: IIRC, according to speedevil yesterday, it's the same the GSM modem uses... not really "not much" :P |
| 23:41.27 | SpeedEvil | You'd have to talk to pulseaudio |
| 23:41.30 | SpeedEvil | Well. |
| 23:41.31 | Writchie | the combined total seems to be 40ma |
| 23:41.32 | SpeedEvil | It's 15mA |
| 23:41.35 | SpeedEvil | ish |
| 23:41.44 | SpeedEvil | so it's 1% of battery per hour |
| 23:42.23 | Writchie | is any of the apm working |
| 23:42.32 | SpeedEvil | VEry little. |
| 23:42.43 | SpeedEvil | [[Neo1973 Power Managment]] |
| 23:42.57 | SpeedEvil | 1/7 power managment thingies are implemented |
| 23:43.23 | Writchie | IMO the BIG thing is shutting down and restarting the kernel |
| 23:43.59 | SpeedEvil | The huge thing is rapidly and completely shutting down stuff when it's not needed. |
| 23:44.45 | rwhitby | cw666: I'm adding mtr to task-openmoko-feed |
| 23:44.47 | SpeedEvil | And of course varying clockspeeds. |
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| 23:45.08 | Writchie | doesn't every driver have to respond to some kind of apm event - and do so sanely |
| 23:45.17 | SpeedEvil | In theory. |
| 23:45.30 | Writchie | i didn't see much improvement from the clock speed |
| 23:45.38 | SpeedEvil | There is some. |
| 23:45.38 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: determining when the amp should be off should be easy in theory: when the device node is closed |
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| 23:45.50 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: not really. |
| 23:45.59 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: if pulseaudio is like esd or arts, the device is closed after some time of inactivity |
| 23:46.03 | SpeedEvil | you can route from the GSM modem or the BT port to the speakers |
| 23:46.15 | SpeedEvil | and not have the CPU touching it. |
| 23:46.15 | Aria | SpeedEvil's right on this one: when a call |
| 23:46.21 | Writchie | big question - who is doing the apm stuff in the kernel? |
| 23:46.26 | Aria | When a call's active, the GSM directly outputs sound, not through the CPU |
| 23:46.27 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: hm, so it would have to be /sys ;-) |
| 23:47.31 | SpeedEvil | The simple option would be a fake mixer. |
| 23:47.36 | SpeedEvil | amp on or amp off |
| 23:47.59 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: cool idea |
| 23:48.10 | SpeedEvil | We don't have enough mixers. |
| 23:48.13 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:48.24 | Writchie | can we go to 3 digits |
| 23:48.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Installation_guide]] [[Installation_emulation_automatic_ubuntu]] [[Application_Development_Crash_Course]] [[Talk:FAQ]] |
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| 23:53.26 | rwhitby | http://www.enfora.com/media/Enabler-IIEATCommandSetEDG0108PB004MAN.pdf <- AT command set Writchie was referring to |
| 23:55.03 | rwhitby | http://www.enfora.com/media/Enfora_Enabler_II-E_Integration_Guide_EDG0108PB003MAN.pdf may be interesting too |
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