| 00:00.15 | andylockran | it refreshed the command every 5 seconds - when I do it manually it takes about 8 and then it works |
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| 00:00.28 | cworth | So mixer levels definitely aren't quite right: "There's a strange echo---I can hear myself" was my wife's reaction when I called her. |
| 00:00.54 | cworth | Might be a nice phone in the winter time... it seems to warm up my ear quite a bit... |
| 00:01.45 | roh | bbl |
| 00:02.02 | cesarb | cworth: it's warm because the power management nowadays could be best described as what we in the x86 world know as 0x90 |
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| 00:04.59 | roh | cesarb we have power management? (besides display off and suspend to ram after x minutes) |
| 00:05.16 | cjb | that was his point :) |
| 00:05.30 | roh | ;) |
| 00:05.55 | roh | sooo.. mate, breakfast, change of location.. bbl |
| 00:06.02 | cesarb | roh: 0x90 is the opcode for NOP, in case you don't want to look it up ;-) |
| 00:06.14 | roh | i know... |
| 00:06.27 | roh | just wanted to tease you guys |
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| 00:12.51 | andylockran | cworth: what kernel & rootfs version are you running? |
| 00:13.50 | rwhitby | andylockran: the infinite COPS bug is solved by the latest openmoko-dialer package |
| 00:14.13 | rwhitby | it still requires a gsmd restart in the matchbox session file however |
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| 00:14.22 | rwhitby | (to fix the initial gsmd hang problem) |
| 00:14.45 | andylockran | right, so the matchbox fix isn't done in the later kernels? |
| 00:15.01 | andylockran | sorry - late.. latter images |
| 00:15.32 | cworth | andylockran: From http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ : |
| 00:15.40 | cworth | uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11-r1-fic-gta01.bin |
| 00:15.46 | cworth | OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-P1-August-Snapshot-20070828-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 00:16.05 | andylockran | cworth: thanks |
| 00:16.16 | cesarb | rwhitby: I just filed ombug 766, which is sort of related |
| 00:16.27 | andylockran | I'm using a may 19th version of uboot (and no debug board) |
| 00:16.32 | cesarb | cworth: nah, we should use bigger ones |
| 00:16.45 | andylockran | is a nand erase worth it before I re-flash? |
| 00:16.46 | cesarb | cworth: big enough that windows filesystems can't save them |
| 00:17.08 | rwhitby | yeah, the rootfs name should have the compatible kernel version name in it too |
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| 00:18.07 | andylockran | I think it's a good place to put the names of the contributors |
| 00:18.57 | andylockran | sorry - in all seriousness do I _have_ to update my uboot |
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| 00:19.28 | rwhitby | andylockran: not for any gsmd reasons - just remember to erase the rootfs before dfu-util each time |
| 00:21.21 | andylockran | ok |
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| 00:22.51 | cesarb | 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- rejects in file src/openmoko-panel-bt.c |
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| 00:29.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 768 has been created by abraxa(AT)dar-clan.de |
| 00:29.01 | cdbot2 | * * Bitbake recipes for uriparser/libSpiff |
| 00:29.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=768 |
| 00:30.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 769 has been created by abraxa(AT)dar-clan.de |
| 00:30.02 | cdbot2 | * * Bitbake recipes for uriparser/libSpiff |
| 00:30.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=769 |
| 00:30.22 | abraxa_ | oops. |
| 00:40.27 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03alphaone * r2846 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/ (24 files in 5 dirs): |
| 00:40.27 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-29 Daniel Willmann <daniel@totalueberwachung.de> |
| 00:40.27 | CIA-20 | openmoko: openmoko-panel-plugins: Reduce the width of the panel icons to the |
| 00:40.27 | CIA-20 | openmoko: amount necessary (they were always square before). This should free |
| 00:40.27 | CIA-20 | openmoko: up panel space a bit. |
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| 01:12.36 | cesarb | uh, is it normal for battvolt to be 4236? |
| 01:15.38 | cesarb | root@fic-gta01:~$ (for x in `seq 1 20`; do sleep 1; echo -n `cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/battvolt` ''; done) |
| 01:15.44 | cesarb | 4201 4201 4207 4212 4212 4207 4207 4236 4195 4242 4195 4207 4195 4201 4207 4207 4195 4218 4224 4207 |
| 01:16.58 | gcb77 | doh, I just did ipkg upgrade and got the new kernel modules for 2.6.22.5-moko11 |
| 01:17.34 | gcb77 | Does anyone know where I can get the kernel image to match it? |
| 01:19.14 | cesarb | gcb77: probably http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/, which is the same place ipkg gets its .ipk from (give or take a few directories) |
| 01:20.22 | gcb77 | I think these updates came from ScaredyCat's repo... that kernel image is not on the buildhost |
| 01:20.54 | cesarb | gcb77: it's possible that the buildhost didn't build the kernel image yet |
| 01:21.37 | cesarb | gcb77: ...but that repository doesn't seem to have any 2.6.22 modules... |
| 01:21.58 | cesarb | gcb77: get the repository URL, shave off a few directories, and try to get to the images directory |
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| 01:30.54 | gcb77 | got it, http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ |
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| 01:35.41 | gcb77 | 99,998 writes left on my flash, 99,998, you take one down, flash it around, 99,997 writes left... |
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| 01:36.36 | happycube | lol |
| 01:40.05 | cesarb | gcb77: if we had a "bash" page on the wiki, that would be instantly in it |
| 01:40.49 | gcb77 | uh oh, this new kernel/modules combo has a minor issue... |
| 01:41.27 | gcb77 | In in "Dim Only" power mode it doesn't reset the timer when you touch the screen... or bring it back after it goes off |
| 01:42.26 | gcb77 | /media/card is not mounted |
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| 02:10.27 | jadams | yoyo |
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| 02:38.06 | bedboi | hi all |
| 02:40.06 | abraxa_ | hellos |
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| 02:56.02 | sagacis | Morning all. |
| 02:56.23 | sagacis | I have successfully changed my gprs to on-demand, idle-hangup |
| 02:56.58 | cesarb | sagacis: good luck with your wallet |
| 02:57.13 | sagacis | heh. Assuming they did as asked, I have the unlimited data plan. |
| 02:58.09 | cw666 | sagacis: what sort of performance can you get with gprs? |
| 02:58.50 | sagacis | Not particularly good since it's only base gprs (no EDGE, no 3G), but better than nothing. |
| 03:00.32 | sagacis | 60-80 kps, according to the spec |
| 03:00.40 | cw666 | sagacis: do you have it working yet? |
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| 03:01.38 | doc|home | 60-80? back in my day you used to pay a lot of money for that kind of connection, and you'd be damn pleased about it too! |
| 03:02.52 | sagacis | cw666: It's working fine. I've had it working for a couple weeks. Today I got on-demand connect and idle-hangup working |
| 03:03.11 | sagacis | doc|home: These days it's piggy slow.... |
| 03:03.43 | doc|home | :) |
| 03:04.04 | cw666 | sagacis: if you get a chance it might be nice to add those details to the wiki |
| 03:05.58 | juri_ | sagis: there are others here who would bbe very interested in a tutorial on that. :) |
| 03:06.34 | cw666 | actually, im looking over what's required here and i wonder if i need a username/password for t-mobile in the US |
| 03:07.29 | sagacis | cw666: I'm working in that very direction. |
| 03:12.00 | gcb77 | is there an irc client in the repositories yet? |
| 03:13.01 | defer_ | irssi might not be the most pleasant thing on the neo |
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| 03:13.50 | cw666 | w/ a remote keyboard it might be ok |
| 03:13.58 | cw666 | dont they make small bt keyboards? |
| 03:14.43 | Aria | They do |
| 03:17.45 | sagacis | gcb77: I installed pidgin |
| 03:17.52 | sagacis | That gives you im and irc |
| 03:18.12 | sagacis | although the gtalk hasn't worked for me because my ssl ipkg failed md5 checksum |
| 03:18.19 | pjz | is there some kind of pidgin-compact or something? |
| 03:19.03 | sagacis | cw666: I don't know about T-Mobile (google it), but I used gprs, gprs for Cingular |
| 03:20.29 | sagacis | I hope I'm still connected |
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| 03:41.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Manually_using_GPRS]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] |
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| 04:03.30 | sagacis | now if only my gsm would start reliably |
| 04:03.34 | sagacis | :( |
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| 04:17.15 | abraxa_ | Does anyone happen to know of a way to build a certain OE package without any dependencies? |
| 04:17.39 | doc|home | anyone got screenshots of the new interface? |
| 04:17.47 | doc|home | or even a movie? |
| 04:18.26 | abraxa_ | doc|home: "new interface" as in 2007.2? |
| 04:19.34 | doc|home | abraxa_: yep, and the new artwork if possible? |
| 04:26.38 | abraxa_ | doc|home: I'm not sure what kind of artwork you refer to but there are mockups: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/mockups/ -- there are videos like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9eDkhHdNLI -- there are screenshots on the wiki, e.g. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dialer/2007.2 |
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| 04:27.53 | doc|home | abraxa_: thanks |
| 04:29.40 | abraxa_ | You're welcome |
| 04:30.12 | Jason1 | Are their any know issues with 2007.2 and gsmd/dialer? Is that stuff supposed to work now? |
| 04:30.56 | cw666 | abraxa_: gah, svn/apache server doesnt set the mime/type |
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| 04:33.19 | hozer | what is a known-good u-boot? |
| 04:38.02 | gcb77 | cw666: I used the one in the 2007.2 announcement e-mail and its working good for me |
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| 04:50.10 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 05:18.15 | cworth | So is there some sane way to have two usbnet devices simultaneously? |
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| 05:18.46 | cworth | That is, I want to be able to connect either phone and login to it by name with ssh regardless of which order I plug them in. |
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| 05:42.11 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Manually_using_GPRS]] [[Manually_using_GPRS]] |
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| 05:48.40 | cw666 | can the gsm' module's firmware be upgraded? |
| 05:49.03 | cw666 | i ask this because it seems to be a tad quicky and i wonder if updates might be possible in time? |
| 05:51.46 | CM | cw666: I think that will be possible. At least they said that TI was working on bug #666 to get the 3g sim-cards working |
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| 06:11.02 | abraxa_ | cw666: Discussions in this channel have suggested that only TI can update the firmware of the Calypso chipset |
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| 06:29.04 | Richard | madplay use 20% cpu, but gst uses 80-90% cpu, and not fluently. why? |
| 06:29.56 | cw666 | abraxa_: meaning it can't be done on a shipped unit then? |
| 06:30.54 | abraxa_ | cw666: That's what was suggested |
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| 06:31.21 | abraxa_ | Richard: That's a very good question - having an answer+fix would make me a happy man |
| 06:33.02 | Richard | do you have the same problem? |
| 06:33.05 | abraxa_ | Yep |
| 06:33.05 | cw666 | gst is what? |
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| 06:33.18 | Richard | gst is gstreamer |
| 06:33.22 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r2847 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/src/ (editor_page.c main.c main_page.c playlist.c playlist_page.c): Fixed UI issues apparent when run on the Neo |
| 06:34.41 | Richard | some bodies 's gst use only 20% cpu, like madplay. |
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| 07:51.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 770 has been created by fabchevalier(AT)free.fr |
| 07:51.02 | cdbot2 | * * Battery discharging while phone is off |
| 07:51.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=770 |
| 07:53.02 | CM | Was that the gsm chip issue? |
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| 07:55.16 | hhf423_w | wow |
| 07:55.18 | hhf423_w | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF.html |
| 07:55.23 | hhf423_w | thats a proper rant |
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| 07:58.59 | ScaredyCat | hhf423_w: screw the rant, what's the phone holder in the picture ? |
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| 08:00.55 | hhf423_w | whut? which picture? |
| 08:02.32 | ScaredyCat | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q3.07/B10AE668-EAD3-46DC-A042-5EF3461D63EF_files/imageEffectsAbove_openmoko-neo1973-car-kit.png |
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| 08:07.59 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2848 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: * reset glamo3362 on GTA02v2, too |
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| 08:09.34 | ynezz | hhf423_w: i wonder what's so proper about this? it's comapring apples and oranges |
| 08:11.01 | hhf423_w | ynezz: so you are accusing Sean to comparing apples and oranges? Apple did not compare the Neo to iPhone, FIC/OpenMoko did |
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| 08:11.38 | ynezz | ScaredyCat: yea, something like openmoko-minimal-image would be good |
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| 08:12.54 | ynezz | hhf423_w: in a state as it is? i doubt it |
| 08:13.32 | hhf423_w | ynezz: so you did not look ath the youtube videos? |
| 08:13.49 | ynezz | -ENOFLASH |
| 08:15.12 | ynezz | anyway bad words spread faster, it's cheap marketing |
| 08:17.13 | jeddy3 | hhf423_w, yes the videos certainly do, but the videos have _nothing_ to do with FIC or OpenMoko |
| 08:17.31 | jeddy3 | hhf423_w, as companies |
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| 08:27.18 | borg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.18 | borg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.18 | borg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.18 | borg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:27.24 | borg_ | oooops |
| 08:27.25 | borg_ | sry |
| 08:27.35 | borg_ | wrong key ;) |
| 08:30.55 | zash_se | omg, are you serial? |
| 08:31.24 | XorA | eh? |
| 08:31.58 | jeddy3 | ...or maybe paralell...? :) |
| 08:32.39 | zash_se | :D |
| 08:33.13 | zash_se | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:35.14 | jeddy3 | aaah, missed that xD |
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| 08:38.10 | torpor | morning |
| 08:41.34 | ScaredyCat | ynezz: yes, perhaps removeing those games too :) |
| 08:42.00 | torpor | what games? |
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| 08:42.14 | ScaredyCat | cocopops |
| 08:42.19 | torpor | eh? |
| 08:42.22 | ScaredyCat | on the neo |
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| 08:42.28 | torpor | <-- not enough coffee |
| 08:42.34 | ScaredyCat | games on the neo |
| 08:42.41 | torpor | cocopops is a neo game? is it good? |
| 08:42.47 | ScaredyCat | cocopops in response to XorA |
| 08:42.57 | torpor | oh |
| 08:43.01 | XorA | ScaredyCat: at least you have enough coffee for the joke |
| 08:43.13 | zash_se | cocopoop |
| 08:43.14 | torpor | i got scummvm working on then eo yesterday, loaded up "beneath a steel blue sky", but it doesn't seem to work ... |
| 08:43.29 | ScaredyCat | XorA: I've had a bucket :) |
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| 08:44.21 | ScaredyCat | I'd have lots of games, except I have no space to put them... and copying direct to the sd is broken |
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| 08:44.44 | ScaredyCat | ... and of course my lappy sd reader doesn;t work under linux |
| 08:45.20 | ScaredyCat | omfg! |
| 08:45.24 | ScaredyCat | penny drops |
| 08:46.00 | mjr | yeah those readers are bit of barstands |
| 08:46.09 | mjr | they should make internal laptop readers connected to usb |
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| 08:48.02 | CM | If this is true, I wonder if some nice apps could be "borrowed": http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/28/google-is-working-on-a-mobile-os-and-its-due-out-shortly/ |
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| 08:50.21 | torpor | CM: i think google are using openembedded. |
| 08:50.24 | torpor | so the answer is: yes. |
| 08:50.30 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 08:50.35 | torpor | ScaredyCat: i copied files to /media/card last night no problems .. |
| 08:50.47 | ScaredyCat | that could very easily kill FIC |
| 08:50.49 | borg_ | ScaredyCat: my reader in my laptop works :) |
| 08:51.00 | borg_ | i copied files on the sd card this way |
| 08:51.06 | ScaredyCat | torpor: how much did you copy? |
| 08:51.19 | ScaredyCat | borg_: yes, it just depends on the make |
| 08:51.27 | CM | torpor: Oh? Why you think so? :) |
| 08:51.57 | torpor | 500k |
| 08:52.05 | torpor | CM: just a hunch |
| 08:52.12 | CM | Ok :) |
| 08:52.43 | ScaredyCat | hrmm... I still get sdio errors |
| 08:52.50 | CM | torpor: I'd think they use something else though. They seem to prefer to do things on their own |
| 08:52.55 | XorA | ScaredyCat: killing FIC isnt on the cards, they have a lot more business than just OpenMoko |
| 08:52.57 | ScaredyCat | but 500k is nothing... |
| 08:53.16 | ScaredyCat | try copying a couple of multi mb files torpor |
| 08:53.29 | ScaredyCat | XorA: yes, I actually meant the neo |
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| 08:53.41 | XorA | hmm, I thought SD cards problems were fixed in latest kernel in OE :-( |
| 08:53.55 | ScaredyCat | I thought so too, but not for me at least :( |
| 08:55.31 | roh | XorA i played around with it and since the patch was in it ran fine without any ioerrors anymore |
| 08:57.13 | XorA | I had one die totally as well, must get an RMA from Kingston |
| 08:58.46 | torpor | roh: good luck. see you in 3 days. |
| 09:00.18 | ScaredyCat | scp: /media/card//scum.tar.gz: Input/output error |
| 09:00.27 | roh | torpor more like 4-6hours |
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| 09:00.53 | XorA | if I need a quick build I turn off binary locales |
| 09:00.59 | roh | torpor thinkpad t60p and i already have a up-to-date mtn checkout and nearly all source checkouts done |
| 09:01.20 | roh | XorA i know.. but thats more a question of 20-40 minutes |
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| 09:01.39 | roh | i'll wrap it in 'time' and see what happens |
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| 09:06.47 | torpor | roh: big machine? |
| 09:06.51 | torpor | oh |
| 09:07.22 | torpor | how do you turn off bin locales? i too want a quick build. |
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| 09:09.04 | XorA | dual xeon, 4 threads and it monsters the build |
| 09:09.46 | torpor | yoikes, i want one. |
| 09:10.05 | torpor | i coulda spent 3000 bucks on a big fat-ass machine, and i got this macbook instead. |
| 09:10.31 | CM | torpor: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/local.conf |
| 09:10.51 | CM | torpor: Last line. :) |
| 09:13.18 | torpor | right i'm gonna do that too .. |
| 09:16.22 | roh | torpor notebook. core2 duo 2.33 with 2gig ram and fast disk. |
| 09:16.49 | roh | and the much improved parallel build of bb 1.8 helps too |
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| 09:20.32 | ScaredyCat | ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" |
| 09:20.47 | torpor | i gotta do that parallel bit .. |
| 09:21.24 | ScaredyCat | i had real issues with the parallel builds |
| 09:21.25 | CM | I want a Barcelona first :D |
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| 09:22.56 | alexzhan1 | Can anyone tell me how to enlarge the default font on 2007.2? :) |
| 09:23.04 | roh | ScaredyCat i had no issues that went away without.. so it seems i didn't hit the ones you did |
| 09:23.25 | alexzhan1 | it's too small on QVGA screen. |
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| 09:25.00 | alexzhan1 | ???????????????;);););););););););););) |
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| 09:32.00 | ScaredyCat | roh: I had major corruption issues |
| 09:32.26 | roh | ScaredyCat with what version of bb? |
| 09:32.55 | ScaredyCat | 1.8.7 |
| 09:33.13 | roh | hm.. i.8.9 here... but that shouldn't matter |
| 09:33.23 | roh | or wait.. |
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| 09:41.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ]] |
| 09:42.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 771 has been created by fabchevalier(AT)free.fr |
| 09:42.01 | cdbot2 | * * Touching LCD screen does not wakeup neo anymore |
| 09:42.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=771 |
| 09:42.47 | roh | nih... thats no bug iuf its in suspend-to-ram |
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| 09:45.48 | zash_se | hm, when making a call, is there something to stop one from hanging up with ones ear or something? |
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| 09:48.59 | rwhitby | http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/ |
| 09:49.09 | rwhitby | pictures of GTA02 |
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| 09:51.21 | CM | rwhitby: Thanks, interesting |
| 09:53.37 | wibbit | I'm guessing the answer to this will be no.... However. |
| 09:54.11 | wibbit | On Nokia phones (and possibly others), one can set an alarm on the phone and then "turn it off", it will then switch on at the specified time and run the alarm. |
| 09:54.17 | wibbit | Will the Neo be able to do this? |
| 09:54.36 | CM | I can't imagine that |
| 09:54.47 | rwhitby | depends what you mean by "off" |
| 09:55.29 | wibbit | Well, I just spent a month in Ecuador, and charged my phone when I arrived, and still and pretty much a full battery when I returned. and only used it as alarm it was "off" the rest of the time. On one battery charge |
| 09:55.33 | jeddy3 | i imagine the nokia isn't completely off |
| 09:55.43 | rwhitby | if you mean deep sleep where an RTC interrupt can wake it, then it should be able to do that. Dunno whether GTA02 has an RTC which can do that. |
| 09:56.22 | wibbit | jeddy3: hmm, well that's obvious :p other wise it wouldn't wake up again, however the battery drain is tiny to say the least. |
| 09:56.40 | wibbit | It's obviously not a do or die, but it is incredibly handy. |
| 09:56.59 | CM | I think it has a tiny clock chip that does the alarm thing |
| 09:57.00 | jeddy3 | wibbit, but as rwhitby said, it's pretty darn close |
| 09:57.18 | CM | I mean the phone itself is probably completely off |
| 09:57.49 | jeddy3 | if thats the case, a clock interrupt could be just about the same as a powerbutton interrupt, right? |
| 09:58.02 | jeddy3 | CM, nod |
| 09:58.22 | wibbit | jeddy3: but the hardware would still need to be there, and software support to program it. |
| 09:58.30 | jeddy3 | wibbit, yes |
| 09:58.36 | Dmitry_Platonov | rwhitby, what GPS chip is used? |
| 09:58.41 | roh | rwhitby afaik also gta1 has a pmu which has a timer based wakeup |
| 09:59.18 | roh | rwhitby and the rtc used by linux on gta01 is the one in the pmu |
| 09:59.38 | CM | Dmitry_Platonov: Hammerhead PMB 2520 AGPS from Global Locate |
| 09:59.40 | jeddy3 | i see you point about being off out in the wilderness =)...but i can't remember when i turned my phone off last |
| 09:59.51 | wibbit | Just think it would be good. |
| 10:00.22 | Dmitry_Platonov | CM, I mean in GTA02. There where rumors on vendor switch |
| 10:00.24 | rwhitby | wibbit: since the pmu has an rtc with wakeup interrupt, the software is trivial. |
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| 10:00.44 | CM | Dmitry_Platonov: Ah, that would be interesting |
| 10:00.56 | roh | Dmitry_Platonov i dunno if we released that yet ;) |
| 10:01.09 | rwhitby | Dmitry_Platonov: more than rumours, Harald stated it clearly in a video I saw |
| 10:01.14 | wibbit | jeddy3: funnily enough, I've now got in to the habbit of turning my mobile off at night, and just having the alarm wake me up in the morning, I know I could just as easily set it to silent, but on my current phone silent means "vibrate" which can still be anoying when one is just about to fall asleep |
| 10:01.20 | roh | Dmitry_Platonov but i can say there will be much less hassle as there is now to get nmea |
| 10:01.23 | wibbit | Though, the rest of the time, I like silent meaning vibrate |
| 10:01.31 | jeddy3 | wibbit, :) |
| 10:01.43 | CM | roh: Will there be any support for the P1 phones? |
| 10:02.02 | cjb_ie | my current phone (SE p910i) is really annoying - i have it set to silent-but-vibrate - but when it's on charge, it disables vibrate |
| 10:02.03 | CM | I'd be quite disappointed if I can't even use the gps in the P1 |
| 10:02.09 | roh | CM we are working on that. |
| 10:02.12 | wibbit | rwhitby: excellent that in theory it is supported, just gota hope some one with significantly more skill than me (being none) decides to do it :) |
| 10:02.33 | Dmitry_Platonov | roh, it's pity. in short term, it's good. but in long term, it disables certain features |
| 10:02.45 | jeddy3 | cjb_ie, that always has irritated me also! |
| 10:02.52 | wibbit | cjb_ie: I've had a few that have done that as well, and yes, it is rather annoying. |
| 10:03.24 | wibbit | jeddy3: is there not much development going ahead with the GPS stuff? |
| 10:03.31 | roh | Dmitry_Platonov i do not see that yet. the new vendor is very cooperative when it comes to opensource |
| 10:03.43 | jeddy3 | wibbit, i have no idea |
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| 10:04.19 | Dmitry_Platonov | roh, is nmea output is generated on chip? if yes, are they willing to opensource firmware? |
| 10:04.57 | jeddy3 | roh, is there any info you are allowed to share with us on gllin progress, or are we on a need-to-know-basis? :) |
| 10:05.09 | roh | Dmitry_Platonov nmea is afaik one mode of output. but i heard there is also another mode. there is no info about selfbuild firmware |
| 10:05.54 | Dmitry_Platonov | roh, is new chip Sirf III? |
| 10:05.58 | roh | jeddy3 nope. its still in progress. globallocate was sold... |
| 10:06.02 | roh | Dmitry_Platonov nope |
| 10:06.08 | hads | The ability to do poor mans DGPS would be nifty |
| 10:06.58 | Dmitry_Platonov | and tight coupling with accelerometers would be interesting. Hammerhead _is_ very nice chip. |
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| 10:08.17 | jeddy3 | roh, any estimation on time frame? :) |
| 10:08.24 | jeddy3 | roh, sorry for buggig you, but |
| 10:09.29 | florian | hi all |
| 10:10.09 | roh | jeddy3 you mean on gta02? nope. i would say end of the year, but that depends on the state of software and hardware. |
| 10:10.27 | jeddy3 | roh, no, on current chip |
| 10:11.02 | roh | jeddy3 you mean gllin release? no. that depends on a 3rd party and not openmoko or fic |
| 10:11.33 | jeddy3 | okay |
| 10:12.44 | Placid | I want a P2 |
| 10:12.48 | Placid | So badly |
| 10:15.41 | Placid | Who or what is globallocate? |
| 10:16.04 | Placid | GPS stuff |
| 10:16.09 | Placid | According to Mr Google. |
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| 10:17.32 | mjr | yeah, the vendor for the GPS chip in GTA01 |
| 10:17.45 | Placid | Ahh, I see. ty |
| 10:17.55 | mjr | issues with whom apparently delay getting software to work the chip |
| 10:19.32 | wibbit | So there is a possability that GTA02, may have a different chip? |
| 10:25.12 | mjr | apparently more than a chance, if you read back a bit... |
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| 10:28.14 | torpor | but does this mean we'll never have working gps software on the gta01's? coz thats one of the main features of the device of interest to me, personally .. |
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| 10:30.04 | Kryoko | torpor : i thought gta02s release is closing in...so why bother with gta01 now ? |
| 10:30.52 | rwhitby-n800 | just what a GTA01 owner wants to hear ... |
| 10:31.07 | jeddy3 | Kryoko, thinking a little egoistically, are we? ;) |
| 10:31.44 | Kryoko | jeddy3 : well, yes. I'm waiting for the GTA02s release at least :p |
| 10:32.15 | jeddy3 | Kryoko, well you aren't the only one here |
| 10:32.28 | Kryoko | glad to hear that :p |
| 10:32.53 | jeddy3 | :) |
| 10:35.43 | Kryoko | thats just the way i understood your statement :p |
| 10:35.57 | Kryoko | if everybody would share my opinion there would be no need to talk ... |
| 10:36.34 | Kryoko | at least you guys should be able to properly predict gta02s pros and cons correctly... |
| 10:37.26 | Kryoko | i myself am only interested in an "open" mobil phone i play with... |
| 10:38.29 | torpor | Kryoko: coz i've got a gta01 sitting in front of me, thats why .. |
| 10:38.51 | Kryoko | i played with the thought of buying me a gta01...but decided against it |
| 10:39.15 | Kryoko | cause i was on vacations in japan. that was quite expensive so i'm looking forward to saving some money for the gta02 now :D |
| 10:39.19 | torpor | i got it because i can use its features .. now .. if only those features were actually working. |
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| 10:40.19 | MobsLobster | hello |
| 10:40.25 | torpor | hi |
| 10:41.09 | MobsLobster | is the openMoko still going to be released in october? |
| 10:41.09 | aloril | MobsLobster: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 10:41.21 | torpor | you mean the gta02? |
| 10:41.28 | torpor | coz gta01 is released and available already |
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| 10:42.09 | MobsLobster | i just read on the comparison with iphone site on the wiki that release is october |
| 10:42.23 | MobsLobster | so whichever release that is talking about |
| 10:42.50 | rwhitby | URL? |
| 10:43.15 | MobsLobster | will do |
| 10:43.32 | MobsLobster | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/IPhone |
| 10:43.58 | MobsLobster | then right at the bottom it talks about retail launch |
| 10:45.50 | MobsLobster | so is what that table says true? |
| 10:45.56 | ScaredyCat | omone should just delete that page |
| 10:46.03 | ScaredyCat | s/omeone/someone/ |
| 10:46.34 | rwhitby | That's the currently released official information. Whether you think it will happen in October is up to you to judge. I personally think Jan is more likely as a best case. |
| 10:46.56 | ScaredyCat | I mean the iphone wiki page... |
| 10:48.03 | roh | rwhitby: we'll see. the hardware is already making progress. |
| 10:48.21 | rwhitby | roh: believe me, I hope I'm proven wrong. |
| 10:48.30 | Dmitry_Platonov | I think comparison with Glofish X500+ would be more interesting 8) |
| 10:48.49 | rwhitby | but this new beast has wireless to debug before you can say the hardware is stable and do a mass market release |
| 10:49.01 | roh | rwhitby its the software which makes me more nervous. still a lot work to do |
| 10:49.25 | MobsLobster | well i cant wait to get my hands on a stable moko phone |
| 10:49.34 | roh | wifi is actually one of the things where i await the least of new trouble |
| 10:49.46 | rwhitby | P1 developer release with no software in Oct/Nov I can believe |
| 10:50.00 | ScaredyCat | errm |
| 10:50.01 | ScaredyCat | wifi |
| 10:50.01 | aloril | Currently sold Neo1973 GTA01B_v04 (P1) doesn't have WiFi, GTA02 (P2) which is scheduled for October will have WiFi with free (libre) drivers (Atheros AR6K): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F |
| 10:50.12 | MobsLobster | should GTA02 be stable enough for a non-dev to use? |
| 10:50.25 | ScaredyCat | shut it aloril - it wasn;t a question |
| 10:50.30 | roh | ScaredyCat wifi is in good hands. |
| 10:50.30 | aloril | hehe |
| 10:50.36 | rwhitby | MobsLobster: ask again after it is released. how on earth would we be able to answer that now? |
| 10:50.40 | ScaredyCat | roh: I mean the s/w side |
| 10:51.00 | ScaredyCat | particularly stuff like the channels available in regions |
| 10:51.10 | roh | ScaredyCat its a hardmac card and we have one of the most experienced people when it comes to atheros on it. |
| 10:51.19 | MobsLobster | well if one of you guys was on the "making" team or "hardware dev" you might know |
| 10:51.20 | ScaredyCat | the nokia 770 I got from expansys was a us model.. no chan 12 |
| 10:51.23 | roh | s/people/persons |
| 10:51.31 | rwhitby | roh: I trust the hands that wifi is in, but the integration with software for a mass market release is a big job |
| 10:52.09 | rwhitby | MobsLobster: the hardware is the least of the problems with stability for a non-dev |
| 10:52.50 | MobsLobster | either way a dev would know and i didnt know if the devs hang out here |
| 10:52.52 | Dmitry_Platonov | roh, what "hardmac" means? |
| 10:53.21 | roh | Dmitry_Platonov the 802.11 stack runs on the card itself. like the old silver orinoco ones. |
| 10:54.13 | roh | Dmitry_Platonov which is good since the card can run in low power and the app cpu does not need to handle stuff like beacons all the time, keeping it out of idle state |
| 10:54.14 | rwhitby | MobsLobster: how would a dev (and there are plenty of them here) know what the stabilty for non-devs will be for a device that has only just got the second rev of prototypes, and has only just got the bootloader working on it? |
| 10:54.56 | rwhitby | roh: also allows for OLPC-type cpu-power-off mesh networking, right? |
| 10:55.14 | Dmitry_Platonov | roh, does it has "monitor" mode? |
| 10:55.15 | MobsLobster | rwhitby i truly have no idea and also have no idea what stage of dev the phone is in so calm down |
| 10:55.34 | roh | rwhitby if someone would write firmware for it that does that... |
| 10:55.49 | rwhitby | MobsLobster: I'm perfectly calm - I'm just setting your expectations correctly for this stage of the hardware/software development cycle. |
| 10:56.05 | roh | Dmitry_Platonov i do not know yet. |
| 10:56.17 | XorA | rwhitby: tell the truth, you have the chainsaw ready :-D |
| 10:56.36 | Kryoko | did someone mention chainsaws ? |
| 10:56.36 | rwhitby | roh: does OM have full access to wifi firmware source? |
| 10:56.39 | Kryoko | where are the zombies ? |
| 10:56.40 | roh | XorA you switch yours off? |
| 10:57.03 | roh | rwhitby afaik not. nobody outside atheros has. |
| 10:57.19 | roh | _afaik_ |
| 10:57.20 | MobsLobster | rwhitby ok, it just seemed to me that u were getting aggressive sorry. also i hope a shop in Australia decides to sell the moko |
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| 10:57.45 | rwhitby | MobsLobster: what part of our great land are you from? |
| 10:58.14 | MobsLobster | if ou mean Australia then Melbourne would be the answer. yourself? |
| 10:58.25 | rwhitby | Adelaide at the moment. |
| 10:58.59 | rwhitby | Just unbricked a GTA01 for a guy from Sydney today. He DHL'd it over, and I gave it back to DHL the same day, so he'll have it back tomorrow. |
| 10:59.41 | MobsLobster | kool |
| 10:59.58 | rwhitby | I should have taken a photo of the three neo's together. |
| 11:00.07 | cjb_ie | rwhitby: ouch, i wonder what the price differential between 2xDHL and 1xdebug board was |
| 11:00.53 | rwhitby | cjb: probably still $100 difference |
| 11:01.07 | rwhitby | and you can bet he won't brick it again :-) |
| 11:02.36 | CM | I guess you have to have either bad luck or no clue what you're doing to brick it |
| 11:02.59 | jgm | I nearly bricked mine with an incorrect paramter to dfu-util |
| 11:03.02 | jgm | It's not that hard |
| 11:03.03 | torpor | its not so hard to brick. |
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| 11:03.09 | jgm | (Or am I just clueless? :)) |
| 11:03.10 | roh | CM i think carefull balanced combination of both is needed. |
| 11:03.41 | roh | jgm the most prominent mistake is to nand erase all partitions i think |
| 11:04.15 | roh | but then you can still save it by uploading a image to ram and flash it... just do not switch off |
| 11:07.28 | CM | torpor: I agree with the gps thing you said though |
| 11:07.45 | torpor | CM: i'd be quite happy if i could have a working GPS with my neo1973.. but so far its been a no-go. |
| 11:07.48 | CM | torpor: I'd be really disappointed if i can't use my P1 as a gps |
| 11:08.20 | CM | I'd like that car holder too, and some nice map application |
| 11:08.43 | torpor | theres some sorta way to get gps working, i know .. |
| 11:08.53 | torpor | like, get the illegal bin on there, and stuff |
| 11:08.58 | torpor | but whats a good mapping application? |
| 11:09.10 | CM | ScaredyCat: :P |
| 11:09.20 | CM | torpor: It won't work with 2007.2 |
| 11:09.56 | ScaredyCat | maybe we could do an exchange then,,, |
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| 11:10.03 | torpor | CM: right |
| 11:10.13 | ScaredyCat | we send our neos back and get 02's :D |
| 11:10.15 | torpor | so then there's just no GPs app for the moko yet .. |
| 11:10.38 | torpor | is anyone working on it? if so who are they? what can be done to help? |
| 11:10.42 | torpor | <-- wants working GPS .. |
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| 11:11.26 | ewon | torpor: iirc someone is having a go at porting maemomapper, but don't hold yer breath |
| 11:11.41 | ewon | more immediate concern is getting nmea out of the device... |
| 11:12.11 | ScaredyCat | did the reverse engineering stop then ? |
| 11:12.11 | wibbit | ewon: nmea? |
| 11:12.29 | ScaredyCat | wibbit.. is that like, not quite a wabbit ? |
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| 11:12.36 | CM | ewon: How far along is that, and is there anything we can help with without being elite hw hackers? |
| 11:12.51 | wibbit | ScaredyCat: Just liked the sound :) |
| 11:12.55 | torpor | ewon: who is it? |
| 11:13.04 | ScaredyCat | CM: I think you mean : l337 h4X0rz |
| 11:13.24 | ScaredyCat | posh wabbit :{ |
| 11:13.36 | torpor | i'd be quite happy to do what it takes to help reverse engineer gllin, if that was useful .. |
| 11:13.51 | CM | ScaredyCat: Of course, but I don't want to show my s3kr1t sK1llZ :P |
| 11:13.56 | ScaredyCat | dissassemble it torpor |
| 11:14.06 | ScaredyCat | lol CM |
| 11:14.12 | Dmitry_Platonov | Is there any point in RE hammerhead? |
| 11:14.41 | ScaredyCat | are there docs then Dmitry_Platonov? |
| 11:15.06 | Dmitry_Platonov | no |
| 11:15.22 | ScaredyCat | so, the answer to your question would be : yes |
| 11:15.38 | ewon | check the wiki... I'm unsure of the current status of the binary driver |
| 11:15.52 | Dmitry_Platonov | I think there will be gllin available soon. |
| 11:16.26 | ScaredyCat | even though the gps chip appears to have changed for 02? |
| 11:16.33 | ScaredyCat | (or did I missread that?) |
| 11:16.56 | ewon | has it? |
| 11:16.56 | Dmitry_Platonov | ScaredyCat, new chip capable of nmea output itself |
| 11:17.00 | ewon | sweet |
| 11:17.14 | ewon | an sirf-iii? |
| 11:17.20 | ewon | *hopes |
| 11:17.25 | Dmitry_Platonov | no. better one ^_^ |
| 11:17.31 | cjb_ie | ewon: the existing one is sirf-iii |
| 11:17.32 | ScaredyCat | ok Dmitry_Platonov - but thet's in 02... what about 01 ? |
| 11:17.46 | Dmitry_Platonov | I think there will be gllin for 01 |
| 11:17.46 | rwhitby | hey, we have pics of the GTA02 PCB now - someone check all the chip numbers. |
| 11:17.53 | torpor | who is working on gllin? |
| 11:17.55 | ynezz | soon as in months? :p |
| 11:17.56 | wibbit | Dmitry_Platonov: I thought the sirf-iii was the latest and greatest? |
| 11:18.07 | ScaredyCat | soon as in before we but 02's ? |
| 11:18.25 | CM | rwhitby: Looks like the photos are of a tv showing an image of the board |
| 11:18.26 | rwhitby | what's the IC marking for a sirf-iii ? |
| 11:18.31 | Dmitry_Platonov | sirf-III is old 8) |
| 11:18.59 | CM | torpor: That's the part globallocate should do, but they were bought by someone |
| 11:19.29 | Dmitry_Platonov | by broadcom |
| 11:19.32 | torpor | well lets get on top of it then. |
| 11:19.48 | torpor | it makes no sense that we can't just solve this probelm ourselves. |
| 11:20.32 | torpor | same thing happend with the GP2X by the way .. magiceyes did a port of linux, got bought out, screwd up the port, then left it up to us to fix it .. which we did .. and the GP2X now runs a very nicely optimized kernel for th eplatform .. |
| 11:21.01 | ScaredyCat | except the gps chip interface is closed.. so you have to re it |
| 11:21.12 | ScaredyCat | and that's a slow pocess |
| 11:21.15 | ScaredyCat | process |
| 11:21.17 | ewon | cjb_ie: thought the existing one was a hammerhead? |
| 11:21.21 | torpor | me too |
| 11:21.31 | torpor | thought we could just get the refs and specs for it .. |
| 11:21.36 | cjb_ie | ewon: oh. icbw |
| 11:21.40 | torpor | but maybe RE'ing gllin would make sense then .. |
| 11:21.54 | wibbit | Do we know if we would be able to do some thing similar to the latest TomTom's. |
| 11:21.55 | ewon | if it was sirf-III it wouldn't be an issue - existing tools speak native sirf |
| 11:22.24 | wibbit | They are able to work with a bluetooth linked mobile phone, to work out "where it is" and based on that, what satalites are in the sky above, and lock on significantly quicker. |
| 11:22.46 | cjb_ie | ewon: assuming the sirf has the right firmware, possibly |
| 11:23.07 | ewon | wibbit: nice |
| 11:23.13 | ewon | cjb_ie: presumably |
| 11:23.31 | cjb_ie | wibbit: right, it should be easy enough to get at least a GSM country code and hence some idea of region |
| 11:23.37 | Dmitry_Platonov | new chip supports DGPS, AGPS, WAAS and other stuff. Binary protocol is here too, along with NMEA. |
| 11:23.48 | ewon | interesting |
| 11:23.54 | ScaredyCat | we already talked about that... |
| 11:24.14 | ScaredyCat | you can get the country you are in from the network provider id |
| 11:24.32 | ewon | speaking of gp2xs, I bloody wish they would dispatch mine.. |
| 11:24.49 | cjb_ie | ScaredyCat: yup (why oh why did the GSM folks come up with their own country codes?) |
| 11:25.11 | ScaredyCat | dunno... cos they're insane? ;) |
| 11:25.30 | cjb_ie | though that's mostly hidden from users these days |
| 11:26.30 | ScaredyCat | there's also this http://janus.liebregts.nl/cellid/index_en.html |
| 11:26.49 | wibbit | ScaredyCat: I believe TomTom are maintaining details of when satalites are at any particular point of time, and it then downloads the relevant data via the phone, depending on where the phone reports it is, if that makes sense? |
| 11:27.35 | cjb_ie | wibbit: maintaining almanac is normal GPS behaviour |
| 11:27.50 | wibbit | cjb_ie: This is more for initial startup |
| 11:27.52 | ewon | wooo, gp2x dispatched \o/ |
| 11:28.12 | cjb_ie | wibbit: right, i figured it was for warm rather than cold start |
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| 11:28.20 | wibbit | :) |
| 11:29.14 | cjb_ie | where the gps has almanac but needs a clue as to where it might be, to combine with almanac to decide which sats to listen for |
| 11:30.07 | wibbit | that sounds about right |
| 11:31.06 | CM | wibbit: Another word for calendar |
| 11:31.08 | ewon | wibbit: array of gps sat locations |
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| 11:31.23 | wibbit | CM: I thought it sounded familiar. |
| 11:31.33 | ewon | e.g. it's this date and time therefore gps sat x is in z part of the sky |
| 11:31.46 | ewon | if i understand it correctly |
| 11:31.49 | ewon | or I cuold be completely wrong. |
| 11:32.27 | wibbit | Okay that makes sense. |
| 11:32.32 | Dmitry_Platonov | almanac describes what sats are in system and usable, and their orbits |
| 11:34.01 | Dmitry_Platonov | so, if you have "current time", you can calculate satellite position for that time. |
| 11:34.30 | Dmitry_Platonov | "time"=date&time |
| 11:34.53 | cjb_ie | Dmitry_Platonov: and if you have approximate position, you know which part of sky you might be able to see. |
| 11:36.11 | milo_ | scrollback |
| 11:36.51 | Dmitry_Platonov | cjb, right. also you can compute relative speed, and accure first fix rapidly |
| 11:37.02 | cjb_ie | Dmitry_Platonov: mmm, nice. |
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| 11:40.47 | CM | Honestly I don't care that much how fast it gets a lock. I'd just be happy to get those nmea numbers |
| 11:41.03 | CM | Also, I'd like to have a car charger that can charge the neo... |
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| 11:41.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Bluetooth]] |
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| 11:44.53 | Dmitry_Platonov | CM, I hope public version of gllin will be released. Honestly, I see no reason in RE hammerhead now (unless globallocate/broadcom/fic will not release gllin) |
| 11:45.00 | wibbit | CM: Being able to get quick locks is handy, admitedly being able to USE the bugger is even more useful :) |
| 11:45.53 | CM | Dmitry_Platonov: I totally agree. Just hope they get their thumbs out... |
| 11:46.08 | XorA | licenses licenses licenses |
| 11:48.27 | wibbit | XorA: it's almost like a song |
| 11:48.59 | XorA | wibbit: dance remix, li li li li li li licenses li li li li li li licenses |
| 11:49.13 | wibbit | I wonder what the trance one would be like, |
| 11:49.37 | XorA | lioioioioioioioioioioioioiencses |
| 11:49.46 | wibbit | XorA: though, one could almost see Mr Ballmer jumping up and down on stage to the dance remix (with a touch of "money money money" thrown in for good measure) |
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| 11:58.23 | wibbit | This didn't seem to be explicity stated in the wiki, but will the GTA02 support minsd-hc (or what ever the acronym is) |
| 12:05.08 | roh | wibbit already works. stefan reported success with a 4gb sdhc transflash |
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| 12:07.35 | wibbit | goodie :) |
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| 12:08.49 | wibbit | apparently 8gb modules should be coming fairly soon |
| 12:09.22 | wibbit | how come FIC didn't go with standard SDCH, as opposed to mini-sd, was it just size? |
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| 12:13.32 | roh | wibbit dunno exactly. but afaiÂk the case was already done at that moment |
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| 12:32.02 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all |
| 12:33.04 | zash_se | hello |
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| 12:38.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 772 has been created by fabchevalier(AT)free.fr |
| 12:38.01 | cdbot2 | * * Touching LCD screen does not wakeup neo anymore |
| 12:38.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=772 |
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| 12:53.49 | DukeOfURL | good morning! |
| 12:53.56 | DukeOfURL | is anyone else having boot problems? |
| 12:54.00 | folken | openmoko-dialer crashes when you enter 4 lines of numbers. |
| 12:54.09 | woglinde | lol |
| 12:54.27 | folken | (and hit the dial button) |
| 12:55.23 | wibbit | that's quite funny |
| 12:56.08 | wibbit | Though, not quite as funny as reading a mailing list thread, that suggests that no thought had been put in to how to actualy make a phone call from the address book app, which I think is hillarious :) |
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| 13:20.31 | DukeOfURL | freenode problems this morning... |
| 13:20.31 | DukeOfURL | is anyone else having a problem with neo boot? |
| 13:21.13 | freak01 | i don't think thet any1 is online now ;p |
| 13:22.08 | roh | whohoo.. build nearly through |
| 13:22.46 | ScaredyCat | if it doesn't hurt, it's not building right ;) |
| 13:24.19 | roh | done |
| 13:24.20 | roh | real 263m41.129s |
| 13:24.20 | roh | user 345m12.666s |
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| 13:24.58 | roh | for make all with mokomakefile and already downloaded sources |
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| 13:30.11 | torpor | eh? |
| 13:30.13 | torpor | wtf? |
| 13:30.13 | torpor | root@fic-gta01:~$ mount /media/card |
| 13:30.14 | torpor | mount: special device /dev/mmcblk0p1 does not exist |
| 13:30.30 | torpor | roh: jealous! ;) |
| 13:31.34 | Dmitry_Platonov | did fresh build. uicmoc4-native still breaks for me. |
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| 13:33.27 | torpor | Dmitry_Platonov: how so? |
| 13:38.51 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2849 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtkprogressbar: openmoko-theme-standard-2: add ythickness to GtkProgressBar to make it less ugly |
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| 13:39.20 | roh | hm.. i'll just upload it to people.openmoko |
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| 13:41.18 | roh | http://people.openmoko.org/roh/ .. just kernel and rootfs. i havent tested this build yet, so no uboot till then |
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| 13:41.53 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:42.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Kensan]] [[User_talk:Kensan]] [[User_talk:Secureoffice]] [[User:Secureoffice]] [[Talk:OSvS]] |
| 13:42.14 | CM | roh: I'll give it a try :) |
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| 13:42.33 | DukeOfURL | my neo is hanging on the splash screen after power up. has anyone else seen this? |
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| 13:47.46 | white_gecko | hello |
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| 13:54.46 | ScaredyCat | eggsy: that fixed the problem.. looks like a common problem, the code to ouptup the file is already there :) |
| 13:56.16 | milo_ | where to set the PIN to use in the UI dailer? calling out with libgsmd-tool -m shell works but there is no mic and speaker connected to it. is there any more info as the gsmd wiki page? |
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| 13:59.33 | white_gecko | I want to run OpenMoko in My PC with mokoMakefile, when I run "make openmoko-devel-image" the last i get is: |
| 13:59.36 | white_gecko | Packaged contents of glibc-localedata-translit-small into /home/natanael/Documents/tmp/openmoko/moko/build/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/i486/glibc-localedata-translit-small_2.5-r6_i486.ipk |
| 13:59.40 | white_gecko | Packaged contents of glibc-gconv into /home/natanael/Documents/tmp/openmoko/moko/build/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/i486/glibc-gconv_2.5-r6_i486.ipk |
| 13:59.40 | white_gecko | NOTE: package glibc-2.5-r6: task do_package_write: completed |
| 13:59.40 | white_gecko | NOTE: package glibc-2.5: completed |
| 13:59.40 | white_gecko | NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 1352 tasks of which 1276 didn't need to be rerun and 1 failed. |
| 13:59.40 | white_gecko | ERROR: '/home/natanael/Documents/tmp/openmoko/moko/openembedded/packages/openmoko-panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-bt_svn.bb' failed |
| 13:59.43 | white_gecko | make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Fehler 1 |
| 13:59.57 | white_gecko | wht can I do? |
| 14:00.43 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03chris * r2850 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): |
| 14:00.43 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Add a style property 'indicator-width' to MokoFingerScroll, to set the |
| 14:00.43 | CIA-20 | openmoko: width of the scroll indicators. |
| 14:00.49 | CM | white_gecko: tip one, paste files in pastebin.ca |
| 14:01.17 | CM | I mean paste output, then the link to it here :) |
| 14:02.14 | CM | white_gecko: Have you done a "make update ; make setup"? |
| 14:02.16 | white_gecko | ok |
| 14:02.25 | white_gecko | make setup yes |
| 14:02.29 | white_gecko | make update no |
| 14:02.37 | white_gecko | I'll do a make update |
| 14:02.56 | CM | Several people have built it today, so it should work |
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| 14:10.08 | fgau | white_gecko: NOTE: build 200708290857: completed |
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| 14:18.06 | white_gecko | i get again an error |
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| 14:18.34 | yoyo | hi all |
| 14:18.34 | white_gecko | is there anywhere a logfile i can paste to a oastebin? |
| 14:18.38 | white_gecko | hi |
| 14:19.42 | yoyo | it is true about moving neo from gtk+ to qt? |
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| 14:21.57 | white_gecko | so here are the last 29 lines of the output http://paste.debian.net/35689 |
| 14:22.06 | milo_ | how to escape the text in libgsmtool shell mode when sending sms with: ss=01234,'foo bar body' ? |
| 14:22.56 | xkr47 | you seen this ? re: atheros http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/08/29/0241234.shtml |
| 14:23.02 | riot | how fast should the microsd-write-access be through the phone's usb? |
| 14:23.05 | CM | yoyo: I'm sure qt qill work on the Neo some time. The enlightmens libraries too |
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| 14:23.47 | yoyo | CM: I'm asking about base of openmoko (pim) |
| 14:24.07 | kristian-m | riot there is no usb-host support right now (as roh told me) |
| 14:24.19 | CM | yoyo: No, I don't think that will change to qt |
| 14:24.30 | yoyo | uff |
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| 14:25.49 | CM | white_gecko: Sorry, don't know about that error. (Just a user myself) |
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| 14:26.34 | CM | white_gecko: Have you tried to run without a paralell build? |
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| 14:28.09 | white_gecko | hm |
| 14:28.30 | white_gecko | you mean without that |
| 14:28.30 | white_gecko | PARALLEL_MAKE = "-j 4" |
| 14:28.30 | white_gecko | BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "4" |
| 14:28.32 | white_gecko | ? |
| 14:29.01 | CM | white_gecko: Yes. Some people have complained that it only worked with -j 1 |
| 14:29.20 | white_gecko | hm |
| 14:29.45 | white_gecko | and the BB_NUMBER_THREADS = "4" or "2" or "1" ? |
| 14:29.49 | FuzzyCat | 1 |
| 14:29.54 | white_gecko | ok |
| 14:30.04 | FuzzyCat | basically I started getting corruption |
| 14:30.37 | FuzzyCat | which caused lots of erroring |
| 14:31.20 | CM | FuzzyCat: My guess was that something like that happened to his git checkout of mtd-utils |
| 14:32.02 | FuzzyCat | the other thing to do is: |
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| 14:32.30 | FuzzyCat | cd build ; . ../setup-env ; bitbake -c clean glibc-gconv |
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| 14:37.56 | white_gecko | aha |
| 14:38.39 | white_gecko | @ the moment its running an processing task 1624/4299 |
| 14:38.49 | white_gecko | with -j 2 |
| 14:39.14 | white_gecko | if this crashes I will try -j 1 |
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| 14:45.34 | kpanic | hi, with the development version it is possible to transfer mms messages from the phone to gnu/linux? thanks |
| 14:47.24 | yoyo | kpanic:you received mms? |
| 14:47.34 | kpanic | yoyo, no, I'm just wondering |
| 14:47.34 | white_gecko | lol |
| 14:47.34 | xzcvczx | lol you beat me to it yoyo |
| 14:47.44 | xzcvczx | kpanic: lol it wont receive mms yet |
| 14:48.07 | yoyo | I have realy big problem to make a call :) |
| 14:48.10 | xkr47 | how does the operator know if the phone accepts mms or not ? |
| 14:48.21 | kpanic | xzcvczx, ok :) do you know if the production version will make it? |
| 14:48.54 | xzcvczx | kpanic: well if it doesnt by default you can make it do so |
| 14:49.11 | xzcvczx | xkr47: probably with a similar ack to what it does for sms |
| 14:49.26 | xzcvczx | xkr47: which is probably handeled by the gsm chip |
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| 14:49.53 | mickey|zzZZzz | stefan_schmidt: alphaone Shoragan : anyone of you have time to rediff the fix-EVIOCGRAB-semantics.patch against 2.6.22.x ? |
| 14:49.55 | xkr47 | hmm.. |
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| 14:50.07 | nox-Hand | What models of phones could one put OpenMoko on? |
| 14:50.30 | xzcvczx | nox-Hand: in a perfect world any that have a touchscreen :P |
| 14:50.31 | white_gecko | you can put it on every phone |
| 14:50.32 | alphaone | mickey|zzZZzz: I can do it. |
| 14:50.41 | white_gecko | ^^^ |
| 14:50.44 | alphaone | mickey|zzZZzz: That's in the patches dir already? |
| 14:50.44 | mickey|zzZZzz | alphaone: great, thanks a lot! without it, we get no touchscreen clicks on 2.6.22 |
| 14:50.48 | xzcvczx | nox-Hand: thought there are memory requirements for it |
| 14:51.21 | alphaone | mickey|zzZZzz: Ah, that explains it :-) |
| 14:52.25 | nox-Hand | Hahaha |
| 14:52.49 | mickey|zzZZzz | alphaone: oh btw., disabling S3c2410_FB_DEBUG in the defconfig may fix the kernel messages overwriting our logo |
| 14:53.54 | alphaone | mickey|zzZZzz: Okay, I'll try that along with the patch |
| 14:54.01 | mickey|zzZZzz | cool |
| 14:55.03 | xzcvczx | haha sux to be you mickey|zzZZzz :P |
| 14:55.14 | mickey|zzZZzz | no kidding |
| 14:55.17 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 14:55.23 | mickey|zzZZzz | :D |
| 14:55.40 | freak01 | lol |
| 14:56.25 | FuzzyCat | roflmao |
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| 15:14.33 | folken | yoyo: try libgsm-tool -m shell |
| 15:15.16 | xzcvczx | folken: i would doubt it for mms |
| 15:15.21 | folken | yoyo: then O for power on and then r for register. |
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| 15:15.44 | folken | xzcvczx: i was more refeering to his last comment. |
| 15:16.15 | xzcvczx | folken: lol sorry i am blind |
| 15:16.16 | folken | aren't mms fetched via http? |
| 15:16.32 | xzcvczx | gprs thought i would doubt http |
| 15:16.35 | folken | but you get notified somehow. |
| 15:17.26 | folken | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia_Messaging_Service |
| 15:17.31 | folken | seems to be http |
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| 15:18.34 | xzcvczx | wow ok |
| 15:19.05 | DPThough1 | and notfication maybe WAP push? |
| 15:19.06 | folken | but i wonder how the notification happens. |
| 15:19.23 | DPThough1 | seems reasonable. but wikipedia does not clearify |
| 15:20.30 | DPThough1 | oh, wap push is based on sms :) |
| 15:21.09 | DPThough1 | comes all down to sms.. |
| 15:22.34 | DPThough1 | sms does not have to be text. i guess that's the key |
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| 15:23.19 | xzcvczx | lol that reminds me of one time my mate was being a pita i was trying to find out whether he was busy at uni and someone said he was in maths and so i asked him that over text (his phone was on silent) and he decided to reply with "maths is all around us in cars etc" so one of my other mates said if you send him a mms with sound in it, it will b loud even if its on silent so i found the most annoying sound clip i had & sent to to him.... 3 mins lat |
| 15:23.47 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: truncated at "3 mins lat" |
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| 15:23.56 | xzcvczx | er i got a very profanity fulled text back |
| 15:24.04 | folken | Lol turns out the standards body 3gpp write its standards in .doc format. :) |
| 15:24.04 | xzcvczx | later* |
| 15:24.21 | xzcvczx | folken: yeah hence why i cbf looking at it |
| 15:25.11 | folken | DPThough1: http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/23_series/23.140/23140-6e0.zip (MMS) Standard. |
| 15:25.18 | Writchie | folken: maybe its because 99% of the people in the world are using *.doc |
| 15:25.39 | Writchie | although mine are from open office ;) |
| 15:26.11 | Tronic | Writchie: I thought that everybody uses PDF for specs distribution. |
| 15:26.12 | xzcvczx | Writchie: i see most standards as .txt though |
| 15:26.14 | DPThough1 | Writchie: both aren't tools to write big documents like standards. i would argue.. |
| 15:26.34 | folken | well my abiword has a lot of issues with the document. |
| 15:26.38 | Writchie | pdf is used for finals, like the etsi versions |
| 15:26.39 | Tronic | (and many use LaTeX for writing them) |
| 15:27.24 | Writchie | the collaberation features - changes who made them - versioning, etc. is what makes people still use word |
| 15:27.25 | DPThough1 | folken: thx. will read it sometime :) |
| 15:27.34 | Writchie | these features are still horribly broken on open office |
| 15:27.42 | DPThough1 | ack |
| 15:28.29 | DPThough1 | docbook/latex/whatever + any revision control system sounds like the plan to me |
| 15:28.51 | DPThough1 | however, not my problem |
| 15:29.16 | Writchie | unfortunately, you have to use what your collaborators use. |
| 15:29.41 | Writchie | rfc text still works for me ;) |
| 15:29.56 | xzcvczx | in the last week has there been much change in functionality of openmoko? |
| 15:30.12 | DPThough1 | i try to imagine how a word documents look like after dozends of people tried to fix the broken layout :) |
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| 15:31.10 | Writchie | DPThough1: it actually works as long as no one touched it with open office. |
| 15:31.20 | Writchie | for up to several hundred pages |
| 15:31.33 | FuzzyCat | one company I worked at sent out email copies of salary letters... |
| 15:31.37 | Writchie | you clean it up after each version |
| 15:31.50 | FuzzyCat | but you could look at the changes... |
| 15:31.59 | DPThough1 | doooh |
| 15:32.13 | xzcvczx | what happens if you try booting a machine that doesnt have a video card if it doesnt have one onboard? |
| 15:32.30 | cjb_ie | mostly like the bios beeps angrily |
| 15:32.34 | cjb_ie | *most likely |
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| 15:32.53 | DPThough1 | xzcvczx: yep. depends on the bios settings. Halt on error blah |
| 15:33.05 | FuzzyCat | then it explodes killing everyone in a 5km radius |
| 15:33.07 | hhf423_w | xzcvczx: depending on the bios setup it stops or boots anyway |
| 15:33.29 | xzcvczx | so in other words requires a video card to be able to go into bios to turn off the halt on error :S |
| 15:33.57 | Writchie | yup - unless its a server board with serial port bios which is a bit rare |
| 15:34.34 | xzcvczx | hmmmmm |
| 15:34.38 | xzcvczx | dangit |
| 15:34.53 | FuzzyCat | you don;t have a cheap card laying about? |
| 15:35.05 | FuzzyCat | what sort of geek are you?!! |
| 15:35.20 | DPThough1 | xzcvczx: did you already try booting? |
| 15:35.54 | DPThough1 | modern bios are quite relaxed when it comes to legacy device errors |
| 15:35.56 | xzcvczx | DPThough1: havent bought the mobo yet..... just working out whether i will have to buy one with onboard video..... |
| 15:36.17 | xzcvczx | as i am too skint/stingy to buy a video card for now |
| 15:36.45 | DPThough1 | xzcvczx: get a pci card for cheap of nothing |
| 15:37.17 | DPThough1 | .oO(That reminds me. My last pci card is gone. I feel helpless...) |
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| 15:39.18 | xzcvczx | ;p; |
| 15:39.19 | xzcvczx | lol |
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| 15:39.40 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2851 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/ (gtkrc gtktextview gtktreeview treeview/ treeview/header.png): Added textview and (nonworking) treeview header theming |
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| 15:40.07 | hhf423_w | hmm, an other day with work on the gui and uboot and no work on gsmd? |
| 15:40.31 | xzcvczx | part of the reason i need a new server is 720GIG aint enuff anymore and i have no sata ports left and i have run out of pci ports only having 1 and i need 2 one for an FXO the other for tv tuner card |
| 15:40.48 | gavin8or | *yawn* who cares about the gui |
| 15:40.55 | hhf423_w | xzcvczx: don't buy a new server |
| 15:41.06 | hhf423_w | xzcvczx: buy a NAS device |
| 15:41.07 | xzcvczx | steal one? |
| 15:41.22 | xzcvczx | lol nah my server is my only linux box |
| 15:42.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Shipping_Notes]] [[User:Phlash]] [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[Application_Development_FAQ]] [[User:ThomasWood]] [[Application_Developer]] [[ThomasWood]] |
| 15:42.09 | hhf423_w | I do not run a server to just have more disk space, I just plugged a small NAS device into my network |
| 15:42.33 | hhf423_w | a servers sucks a lot of power, a nas device does not |
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| 15:42.48 | xzcvczx | hhf423_w: but what happens when you need 2 pci slots and you only have 1 |
| 15:42.58 | FuzzyCat | hot swap! |
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| 15:43.05 | xzcvczx | meh i will be replacing 1 computer with another not adding one |
| 15:43.34 | DPThough1 | lol |
| 15:43.58 | xkr47 | you turn on the cat or the shower ?-) |
| 15:43.58 | xzcvczx | lol stfu cjb_ie |
| 15:44.05 | hhf423_w | anything new & cool today? |
| 15:44.08 | XorA | you can run OpenMoko on a NAS :-D |
| 15:44.32 | xzcvczx | hhf423_w: yup its the 30th of august |
| 15:44.33 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2852 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtktreeview: * Fixed gtktreeview |
| 15:44.35 | xkr47 | or you can run a nas on neo :) |
| 15:44.38 | hhf423_w | XorA: yeah, good idea. as my NAS does not have GSM I would not notice that gsmd does not work |
| 15:45.28 | hhf423_w | xzcvczx: you in .nz or what? its still 29th here |
| 15:45.44 | xzcvczx | hhf423_w: well done |
| 15:46.12 | hhf423_w | is it even the 30th in AU yet? |
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| 15:46.21 | xzcvczx | most of it i think |
| 15:46.37 | xzcvczx | they are ~2 hrs behind us on the east coast and ~3 on the west |
| 15:46.42 | hhf423_w | I need to visit nz once. So far we only made it to AU |
| 15:46.53 | xzcvczx | lol you made it to crim country |
| 15:47.01 | FuzzyCat | where's that touchscreen patch! |
| 15:47.05 | hhf423_w | crim? |
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| 15:47.19 | FuzzyCat | aussies are all criminals |
| 15:47.25 | FuzzyCat | or at least they were.. |
| 15:47.27 | xzcvczx | hhf423_w: it was where they sent all the crims from england many years ago |
| 15:47.30 | FuzzyCat | sent from england |
| 15:47.33 | xzcvczx | FuzzyCat: i say the former |
| 15:47.44 | FuzzyCat | ;) |
| 15:48.08 | FuzzyCat | although the crime could be very minor... |
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| 15:48.50 | xzcvczx | i think it was the closest to hell the english could find |
| 15:49.08 | FuzzyCat | yes.. it's full of australians |
| 15:49.09 | FuzzyCat | :P |
| 15:49.11 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 15:49.14 | hhf423_w | xzcvczx: ah, sure |
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| 15:50.56 | hhf423_w | an englishmen travels to .au and when going through the commonwealth questionaire, he asks the stewardess: |
| 15:51.23 | xzcvczx | have you had a criminal conviction? i didnt know i needed one |
| 15:51.29 | hhf423_w | "it says here: have you ever been convicted of a crime. -- say, is that still required?" |
| 15:51.40 | xzcvczx | lol yup |
| 15:51.43 | DPThough1 | lol |
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| 15:52.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 773 has been created by hozer(AT)hozed.org |
| 15:52.02 | cdbot2 | * * Qemu should support -net usb -redir ...... |
| 15:52.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=773 |
| 15:52.04 | xzcvczx | if you sent all the criminals to an island went back 50years later what do you think they would say |
| 15:52.18 | cjb_ie | g'day mate :) |
| 15:52.22 | xzcvczx | :) |
| 15:52.26 | hhf423_w | hahahaha |
| 15:53.00 | FuzzyCat | roflmao |
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| 15:53.50 | bmidgley | I can use my laptop to type into the OM gui when using x11vnc... |
| 15:53.56 | hhf423_w | xzcvczx: you know that this channel is recorded? |
| 15:54.15 | bmidgley | but the terminal keeps going into a double-character greek input mode :( |
| 15:54.20 | hhf423_w | hahaha |
| 15:54.30 | xzcvczx | hhf423_w: yeah but none are around here now to complain if they come back later and say thats not nice everyone will be confused |
| 15:55.14 | hhf423_w | xzcvczx: ah, just throw sheep at them :-) |
| 15:55.27 | polz | is mrxvt supposed to support UTF8 ? |
| 15:55.48 | bmidgley | dunno |
| 15:56.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 774 has been created by hozer(AT)hozed.org |
| 15:56.01 | cdbot2 | * * qemu mouse/pointer input unreliable |
| 15:56.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=774 |
| 15:57.08 | xzcvczx | LOL we just have to be careful of gambler, BobOfDoo1, hads, Agrajag- waking up |
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| 15:57.50 | DPThough1 | polz: my mrxvt on debian launched without any options does not work with utf8. tested it |
| 15:57.52 | xzcvczx | FuzzyCat: link? |
| 15:57.58 | polz | btw, is it possible to compile openmoko for x86 (and if it is, hooow) ? |
| 15:58.19 | polz | DPThough1: oh, OK, then. I guess I shouldn't use such filenames, anyway :) |
| 15:58.37 | FuzzyCat | http://127.0.0.1/contactgnld.aspx?STORE_ID=1&NAV_CATEGORY_ID=3222&CATEGORY_ID=3250 |
| 15:58.51 | DPThough1 | i would consider missing utf8 a bug... |
| 15:59.20 | xzcvczx | FuzzyCat: i get a cannot connect to server :S |
| 15:59.25 | folken | DPThough1: it seems to work via sms. Basically they set a mimetype and have then a more or less plaintext protocol over sms to get an URL from where the mms is then downloaded. |
| 15:59.57 | FuzzyCat | trey here instead http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-August/001369.html |
| 15:59.58 | LordCrimson | Hi. Did somebody play with bt keyboard? |
| 15:59.58 | aloril | LordCrimson: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 15:59.58 | FuzzyCat | :P |
| 16:00.00 | FuzzyCat | try |
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| 16:02.44 | xzcvczx | link? |
| 16:02.55 | polz | does anyone here know why using dbus to connect to gsmd might not be a good idea ? |
| 16:02.58 | hhf423_w | Why aren't there any Kiwis on Star Trek? -> They don't work in the future either. |
| 16:03.04 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 16:03.14 | hhf423_w | xzcvczx: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/archive/index.php/t-59335.html |
| 16:03.50 | hhf423_w | some of those could get you in trouble I believe |
| 16:03.58 | xzcvczx | well the funny thing is we are more advanced than anyone else in the world...... we are already many hours ahead of the germans |
| 16:04.29 | polz | xzcvczx: yeah, but the Japanese are riiiiight behind you |
| 16:04.34 | don-o | have you seen the photos & 1 video of the GTA02 mobos? http://people.openmoko.org/ninjutsu/?C=M;O=A |
| 16:04.54 | don-o | the video shows a machine placing components on the mobo. fun to watch. |
| 16:05.08 | polz | don-o: who cares ? Remember when the first p0 phones were built ? |
| 16:05.08 | xzcvczx | lol polz |
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| 16:05.35 | don-o | polz: was there cool videos? |
| 16:05.52 | thomasg | hi. what does openembedded want to know when it asks for the CACHE variable? what cache is meant? |
| 16:05.53 | polz | don-o: no, but there were announcements |
| 16:06.03 | don-o | polz: yeah, uh this is much cooler. |
| 16:06.25 | don-o | polz: or are you saying the gta02 is still a long time in coming? |
| 16:06.54 | don-o | polz: oh i hear ya man, ive been following the project since january |
| 16:06.56 | polz | don-o: well, they were supposed to start selling gta01 on my birthday, the 11th of March |
| 16:07.10 | FuzzyCat | polz, you still can't buy a phone. |
| 16:07.15 | polz | in the end, they were about 3 months late |
| 16:07.47 | polz | so I'd say it'll be nice if they get them out of the store sometime in early November |
| 16:08.37 | polz | FuzzyCat: well, I've got one lying right beside me... |
| 16:08.51 | polz | FuzzyCat: and I was able to place and receive a call yesterday |
| 16:08.53 | FuzzyCat | no, you have something with a gsm chip in it, not a phone |
| 16:09.11 | polz | as long as you disable the power saving, it kinda seems to work sometimes |
| 16:09.15 | FuzzyCat | I can too.. just that I can't hear anuthing |
| 16:09.18 | FuzzyCat | anything |
| 16:09.30 | polz | that's weird |
| 16:09.45 | polz | have you updated the firmware ? |
| 16:09.47 | aloril | LordCrimson: I have seen reports at least 2 different bt keyboards working |
| 16:09.56 | FuzzyCat | ... and like many have said - I'd rather see work on the underlying code than the gui |
| 16:10.03 | FuzzyCat | polz, yes, lots |
| 16:10.03 | xzcvczx | lol gotta love it when someone makes a joke and doesnt even convert the lingo into the country they are talking about' |
| 16:10.43 | polz | hmm... |
| 16:10.43 | polz | maybe it has something to do with the mixer settings |
| 16:10.44 | polz | FuzzyCat: can you play .mp3s ? |
| 16:10.53 | FuzzyCat | i can play them... |
| 16:11.16 | FuzzyCat | and iirc I can hear them too |
| 16:11.54 | folken | ahh.. new packages. |
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| 16:12.49 | folken | and new kernel 2.6.22 |
| 16:13.04 | gambler | gday mate someone need my convict music |
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| 16:13.52 | polz | FuzzyCat: I've noticed that the Dialer seems to set some volume settings... |
| 16:13.53 | polz | FuzzyCat: so if I were you, I'd try fiddling with alsamixer while making a call |
| 16:14.20 | xzcvczx | nooooooooooo an aussie woke up |
| 16:14.31 | xzcvczx | we better stop giving the aussies crap |
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| 16:14.59 | xzcvczx | gambler: wtf you doing up at this time? |
| 16:15.25 | gambler | coding my gambling library |
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| 16:17.03 | xzcvczx | what part of aus are you in? |
| 16:17.30 | gambler | brisbane...near gold coast |
| 16:18.12 | gambler | where u |
| 16:18.15 | xzcvczx | auck |
| 16:18.35 | xzcvczx | how was the eclipse last night from your area? |
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| 16:18.54 | gambler | cloudy...so i decided to skip it |
| 16:18.59 | xzcvczx | ah ok |
| 16:19.16 | gambler | how hard is it to find coders in NZ? in aus right now its impossible |
| 16:19.36 | xzcvczx | lol i should move to aus when i graduate then |
| 16:19.53 | gambler | u can come work for me |
| 16:20.18 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 16:20.22 | xzcvczx | what you working on? |
| 16:20.51 | gambler | openmoko |
| 16:21.24 | gambler | u been to linux.conf? |
| 16:21.26 | raynet | i can move to NZ or AU, never been there |
| 16:21.33 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 16:21.45 | raynet | and winter is coming here in finland soon, so it would be really nice :) |
| 16:21.52 | xzcvczx | no visa for you mate |
| 16:22.01 | xzcvczx | gambler: nah |
| 16:22.10 | gambler | raynet: i can hook u up with a visa if u have some skills |
| 16:22.24 | gambler | good surfing beaches here.... |
| 16:22.40 | raynet | i am really good at surfing.... the web |
| 16:22.42 | xzcvczx | gambler: i am assuming if its for openmoko its unpaid though isnt it? |
| 16:22.54 | gambler | who works for free |
| 16:22.58 | gambler | not me |
| 16:23.06 | xzcvczx | gambler: i prefer the night skydiving at gold coast |
| 16:24.15 | xzcvczx | gambler: who do you work for if you dont mind me asking? |
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| 16:25.03 | gambler | xzcvczx, i run small company |
| 16:25.11 | xzcvczx | oh nice |
| 16:25.42 | xzcvczx | what are you working on in particular? |
| 16:26.41 | gambler | its complex. mostly r&d related. the founders of the company (my partner and I) have academic background |
| 16:26.54 | *** join/#openmoko woglinde (i=woglinde@e178122022.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:26.59 | xzcvczx | yeah but in openmoko what are you trying to accomplish |
| 16:27.50 | gambler | we are experimenting with a few ideas. like a social networking app that works through the phone. |
| 16:28.10 | FuzzyCat | w00t! |
| 16:28.21 | xzcvczx | using gprs for communication? |
| 16:28.27 | FuzzyCat | i can has builded kitteh images |
| 16:28.52 | xzcvczx | thats the worst engrish i have ever seen FuzzyCat |
| 16:29.09 | woglinde | lol |
| 16:29.19 | woglinde | I can has |
| 16:29.29 | xzcvczx | and builded |
| 16:29.34 | woglinde | thats an insider |
| 16:29.42 | cjb_ie | it's not engrish, it's lolcat, or maybe lolfuzzy |
| 16:29.54 | raynet | eh |
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| 16:30.23 | raynet | ah, month is almost over, i can soon begin developing for my neo. i'll be working on experimental UIs, mostly finger ones |
| 16:30.52 | gambler | xzcvczx, short answer no. |
| 16:30.53 | CM | cjb_ie: http://lolcode.com |
| 16:31.09 | xzcvczx | raynet: nice..... i think a text one with just T9 would be good as i am sure even that would be faster than a qwerty-stylus |
| 16:31.38 | ScaredyCat | OpenMoko-scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-P1-August-Snapshot-20070829-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 16:31.55 | ScaredyCat | think I better dance now.... |
| 16:31.58 | xzcvczx | gambler: lol fair enuff |
| 16:32.53 | CM | ScaredyCat: What's in that image? And what kernel should I use to it? |
| 16:32.54 | raynet | xzcvczx: i'll be testing pie menus and radial key inputs with T9 type system |
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| 16:33.43 | hozer | bah, too much scrollback ;) |
| 16:33.59 | ScaredyCat | CM: it's a standard image + scummvm as a test |
| 16:34.29 | ScaredyCat | built with my own openmoko-devel-image... |
| 16:34.35 | hozer | ScaredyCat: did you generate that with mokomakefile? |
| 16:34.38 | hozer | or just rename the file |
| 16:34.42 | ScaredyCat | it;s not uploaded.. |
| 16:34.46 | polz | raynet: that sounds pretty useless |
| 16:35.00 | CM | ScaredyCat: Still, nice :-D |
| 16:35.01 | ScaredyCat | I just generated it with bitbake scaredycat-openmoko-devel-image |
| 16:35.15 | hozer | ah, and made your own bitbake files? |
| 16:35.21 | ScaredyCat | yes.. |
| 16:35.29 | polz | raynet: I thought the biggest advantage of radial text input was that you could do it without having to look at the screen constantly |
| 16:35.31 | ScaredyCat | that's why it's so wonderful :D |
| 16:35.41 | CM | ScaredyCat: As they talked about in the devel-list? |
| 16:35.41 | woglinde | lol |
| 16:36.03 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: lol i figured you would just say you renamed the image off buildhost to scaredycat-openmoko |
| 16:36.29 | raynet | polz: sure, but i'll be doing some tests, need a quick input system for using ssh with my huuuge fingers |
| 16:36.56 | woglinde | raynet bt keyboard? |
| 16:37.01 | xzcvczx | raynet: make sure you put tab in there.... nothing worse than the openmoko keyboard not having a tab key when using the terminal |
| 16:37.10 | ScaredyCat | CM : yah yeh... |
| 16:37.15 | ScaredyCat | xzcvczx: lol |
| 16:37.15 | woglinde | openmoko has tab key |
| 16:37.22 | woglinde | change the keyboard |
| 16:37.25 | hozer | hrrm.. someone ought to work on an openmoko shell |
| 16:37.30 | raynet | xzcvczx: yeah, i know. it will be atleast usable for Irssi |
| 16:37.41 | hozer | integrate command completion in a t-9 like input way |
| 16:37.43 | raynet | xzcvczx: so it must have tab, esc-1..9 etc |
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| 16:38.02 | raynet | also it must have quick umlauts like ä ö å |
| 16:38.07 | hozer | heh |
| 16:38.18 | xzcvczx | woglinde: yeah i am meaning with the default keyboard |
| 16:38.34 | xzcvczx | raynet: i dont care about them |
| 16:38.54 | xzcvczx | :P |
| 16:39.08 | raynet | xzcvczx: but i do.. i also need to input kanji/hiragana/katakana etc |
| 16:39.12 | riot | a friend of mine did a study on predictive input systems which know what words usually follow other words. Maybe we should integrate that, too. It's already sort of opensource. |
| 16:39.29 | raynet | riot: just what i am gonna do |
| 16:39.57 | xzcvczx | riot: i see someone typing in rm and it coming up with rm -rf / them getting distracted and hitting enter instead of backspace |
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| 16:40.15 | meus | xzcvczx: haha :P |
| 16:41.08 | ewon | predictive text in irc == win |
| 16:41.15 | ewon | predictive text in shell == bad |
| 16:41.16 | ewon | imo |
| 16:41.25 | woglinde | o.O? |
| 16:41.46 | meus | ewon: but is irssi good or bad then? |
| 16:42.02 | xzcvczx | well you jsut need to work out what can be destructive and not allow it in the predictive lineup |
| 16:42.02 | cw666 | roh: i have a battery draining very quickly when the device is powered off... and afaict i did power down the radio before the CPU. any ideas? |
| 16:42.17 | raynet | predictive text probably wont be that context aware, it will just help to write "real" words and shell commands etc must be written char by char |
| 16:42.40 | woglinde | cw666 powermangement is a huge piece of work and dont work right now |
| 16:43.21 | cw666 | woglinde: sure, but right now i'm just a bit lost as to why a powered down device drained the battery; i was under the impression if the radio was off i shouldn't see this |
| 16:43.51 | cw666 | raynet: the predictive text in the RAZR is history-aware in the sense it knows about what works you used the most and which ones recently and biases to those |
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| 16:44.47 | xzcvczx | cw666: funniest one i had was you couldnt teach it words and it didnt come with any swear words but eventually i used them often enuff for it to remember them |
| 16:44.51 | Aria | And boy is T9 without history annoying. |
| 16:45.01 | Aria | Doubly so with a fixed-size FIFO for added words |
| 16:45.06 | ynezz | cw666: how you know it's powered down? lcd is off? |
| 16:45.15 | woglinde | *g* |
| 16:45.23 | cw666 | ynezz: because i powered it down? |
| 16:45.29 | ynezz | how? |
| 16:45.36 | cw666 | poweroff from the command line |
| 16:45.41 | ynezz | cool :) |
| 16:46.12 | xzcvczx | cw666: did you echo 0 > gsm? |
| 16:46.17 | xzcvczx | before you poweroff |
| 16:46.38 | xzcvczx | be aware echo 0 > gsm isnt the full command |
| 16:46.43 | cw666 | xzcvczx: yes |
| 16:47.24 | xzcvczx | hmm thats a point the radio power control should be symlinked to somewhere much more simple of simplicities sake |
| 16:47.30 | xzcvczx | s/of/for |
| 16:47.55 | ewon | make a wrapper for /sbin/shutdown that kills gsm before calling the real shutdown |
| 16:48.02 | cw666 | dunno, i would argue the kernel on shutdown should hook and do that |
| 16:48.10 | cw666 | just to be safe |
| 16:48.30 | ynezz | i would check the power consumption using multimeter, just to be sure it just works |
| 16:48.36 | xzcvczx | i am not talking about only during the shutdown though.... also when you want to power up/down from cmd line for testing or something |
| 16:49.08 | xzcvczx | and it would be better to do it in the init scripts rather than in a wrapper |
| 16:49.14 | cw666 | ynezz: yeah, i need to get a shim or something to do that... the other thing i see if chgrcur (or whatever) is always non-zero, ususally in the 500-1000 range even after hours of being connected |
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| 16:49.32 | cw666 | it's not clear when a device should be fully-charged why that would read such a large value |
| 16:50.00 | hozer | what are those units (500-1000) |
| 16:50.05 | ynezz | mA |
| 16:50.14 | ynezz | it's a lot anyway |
| 16:50.19 | hozer | you're kidding .. 1 A? |
| 16:50.26 | hozer | that's not possible from a USB |
| 16:50.33 | ynezz | chgcur is in mA |
| 16:51.04 | hozer | can you somehow verify that with a meter? That seems like there are the wrong units |
| 16:51.12 | cw666 | hozer: the value is very noisy (read it ever 1s or so and it changes quite a bit) and is often over 1400 when the battery has been depleted |
| 16:51.20 | cw666 | hozer: do it's probably a bad driver or something |
| 16:51.52 | hozer | are you sure it's not counts of an A/D converter ? |
| 16:52.05 | hozer | what reports that number? the PMU? |
| 16:52.19 | xzcvczx | well last i saw was that it was only charging at 40mA |
| 16:52.22 | cw666 | hozer: im not sure, people have claimed mA which seems wrong, i would need to check in detail |
| 16:52.26 | xzcvczx | based on a meter |
| 16:52.42 | hozer | yeah... mA has got to be wrong |
| 16:53.16 | xzcvczx | !bug 762 |
| 16:53.32 | xzcvczx | i would but my meter got friggin nicked |
| 16:53.32 | woglinde | hozer hehe |
| 16:53.41 | xzcvczx | i need it for a few things at the moment as well |
| 16:53.44 | ynezz | !ombug 762 |
| 16:53.45 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 762, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 16:53.45 | cdbot2 | * * wally.ritchie(AT)gmail.com: GTA01v4 Only Charges at 40ma |
| 16:53.46 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=762 |
| 16:53.55 | xzcvczx | thats the one thanks ynezz |
| 16:54.04 | cw666 | btw, does anyone know if the RAZR/KRZR chargers could be made to work? |
| 16:54.08 | cw666 | those are easy to get and pretty cheap |
| 16:54.41 | gcb77_ | I tried my KRZR charger a few days ago, and it didn't work |
| 16:54.48 | xzcvczx | cw666: if its same as usb it probably should do |
| 16:55.05 | cw666 | xzcvczx: doesnt for some reason |
| 16:55.28 | xzcvczx | although ipods are stupid.... if you "eject" them in win but leave them plugged in they wont charg |
| 16:55.30 | xzcvczx | charge |
| 16:56.39 | xzcvczx | hmmmm coming up on 5am here :S |
| 16:57.04 | cw666 | NZ? |
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| 16:57.50 | xzcvczx | yahuh |
| 16:58.10 | ewon | 17:58 here |
| 16:58.16 | xzcvczx | a gmt |
| 16:58.18 | xzcvczx | ? |
| 16:58.20 | ewon | yup. |
| 16:58.23 | cw666 | xzcvczx: where abouts? |
| 16:58.24 | ewon | .ie |
| 16:58.32 | xzcvczx | cw666: auckland |
| 16:58.38 | cw666 | hah, jafa! |
| 16:59.08 | xzcvczx | jsut another friendly aucklander? |
| 16:59.09 | xzcvczx | :P |
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| 16:59.48 | _kryoko_ | i'd like to make a representive poll among the users currently idling this channel |
| 16:59.56 | _kryoko_ | Do you guys like coffee (yes/no) |
| 17:00.06 | _kryoko_ | (like = love) |
| 17:00.18 | xzcvczx | no |
| 17:00.31 | xzcvczx | cant stand the stuff |
| 17:00.35 | meus | cofee++ |
| 17:00.42 | cjb_ie | coffee, ugh |
| 17:00.44 | cw666 | woglinde: the other issue im not clear about, even if i leave the gsm radio on it seems i should get more than 12 hours out of the battery |
| 17:00.46 | meus | or perhaps spell it right :P |
| 17:00.50 | meus | coffee++ |
| 17:00.51 | cw666 | otherwise it would be somewhat useless |
| 17:00.52 | hozer | mmmm, coffee |
| 17:00.53 | borg_ | YES :) |
| 17:01.00 | xzcvczx | cw666: you will do one day |
| 17:01.14 | xzcvczx | as the bluetooth radio is on as well probabl |
| 17:01.16 | xzcvczx | y |
| 17:01.26 | _kryoko_ | :) |
| 17:01.34 | cw666 | xzcvczx: again, my RAZR has both GSM and BT and i can get *days* from that |
| 17:01.47 | cw666 | so we're doing something different i guess |
| 17:01.54 | woglinde | days? |
| 17:02.01 | xzcvczx | cw666: yea but your razr is a piece of .... |
| 17:02.01 | woglinde | ah |
| 17:02.02 | woglinde | okay |
| 17:02.10 | hozer | how many mah is the RAZR battery |
| 17:02.15 | cw666 | woglinde: at least 3, maybe 4 |
| 17:02.28 | hozer | and is the razr battery the same size |
| 17:02.28 | woglinde | cw666 yes sorry I was in the false context |
| 17:02.39 | hozer | I mean voltage |
| 17:02.58 | gcb77_ | KRZR batt = 880mah 3.7V |
| 17:03.04 | ynezz | ma = adc_to_chg_milliamps(pcf, adc_adcin1, adc_batvolt); |
| 17:03.15 | ynezz | so it should be mA |
| 17:04.09 | bmidgley | so I can get along with only reflashing the kernel and ipkg updates to 2007.2 now? |
| 17:04.41 | hozer | my treo 650 lasts forever, but it has a huge 1800mah battery |
| 17:04.55 | hozer | the neo is 1200 mah, right? |
| 17:05.03 | cw666 | hozer: RAZR battery is 3.7V, not sure about mA hour (it doesnt say) |
| 17:05.14 | bmidgley | 1200 |
| 17:06.04 | cw666 | web sites claim it's 700 mAh for the RAZR, so it's clearly doing pretty well there |
| 17:06.48 | cjb_ie | root vegetables |
| 17:06.51 | cjb_ie | oops, wrong window |
| 17:06.54 | ewon | heh |
| 17:06.58 | drath | hehehe |
| 17:07.08 | xzcvczx | we know his password |
| 17:07.20 | xzcvczx | your root password is not meant to be so simple\ |
| 17:07.20 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: pfft, you use yours as your nick :p |
| 17:07.30 | xzcvczx | lol do i do i |
| 17:07.45 | xzcvczx | howd you know? |
| 17:08.19 | cjb_ie | what else could that unpronounceable thing be :) |
| 17:09.00 | xzcvczx | lol there have been some interesting pronounciations of it |
| 17:09.18 | cjb_ie | looking over at a qwerty keyboard it's easier to remember if using qwerty |
| 17:09.24 | cjb_ie | but on dvorak... aiee |
| 17:09.37 | xzcvczx | lol |
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| 17:10.03 | cjb_ie | x<tab> is my friend |
| 17:10.09 | xzcvczx | its funny how often i use the password qazxswedc yet noone would guess it |
| 17:10.30 | cjb_ie | now try it on dvorak :p |
| 17:10.37 | xzcvczx | wont be very obvious on a non qwerty keyboard |
| 17:10.40 | xzcvczx | lol yeah |
| 17:11.30 | cjb_ie | not that i can talk, some of my passwords are near plaintext but passed through dvorak-qwerty or qwerty-dvorak substitution ciphers |
| 17:11.40 | xzcvczx | lol nice |
| 17:11.49 | cjb_ie | which actually makes them faster to type on qwerty than dvorak |
| 17:12.16 | DPThough1 | has anyone used dvorak for coding and the usual computer hacking stuff? I imagine it sucks very much. |
| 17:12.30 | xzcvczx | DPThough1: why would it suck? |
| 17:12.39 | xzcvczx | DPThough1: dvorak is much more efficient |
| 17:12.45 | cjb_ie | me :) it'd suck a lot less if my keys were labelled |
| 17:12.49 | nbd | it probably won't suck less than the german keyboard layout |
| 17:13.06 | DPThough1 | considering that the "not half as braindead as drorak" german laout drives me up the wall every time i have to use it |
| 17:13.07 | cjb_ie | the german kezboard lazout :) |
| 17:13.43 | xzcvczx | you should try using a keyboard where the space key doesnt work 2/3rds of the time,..... had to use that once |
| 17:13.51 | nbd | lol |
| 17:14.07 | cjb | DPThough1: most of the people who use dvorak are programmers. |
| 17:14.17 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: it probably had a sweet spot where hitting it worked 80% of the time :) |
| 17:14.18 | DPThough1 | xzcvczx: computer lingo is iptimised for ()[]{};:'"/?\| keys. dvoraks rearranges them. [a-z] is not the issue in coding i would argue |
| 17:14.19 | cjb | possibly s/most/all/ :) so no, it doesn't suck. it's faster. |
| 17:14.31 | cjb | DPThough1: it rearranges them nicely! |
| 17:14.52 | nbd | i think one of the most stupid aspects of the german keyboard layout is the positioning of <> |
| 17:14.58 | cjb | it's not like you lose access to any of those symbols. they're just on different keys. |
| 17:15.04 | cjb_ie | nbd: yeah, one shifted, one not. |
| 17:15.07 | DPThough1 | nbd: Alt-Gr, say no more... |
| 17:15.13 | nbd | how can it be more unintuitive |
| 17:15.26 | cjb_ie | i must resurrect my custom dvorak that stopped working a couple of ubuntus ago |
| 17:16.32 | polz | is a mixer included in openmoko yet ? |
| 17:17.04 | DPThough1 | typematrix.com, if anyone is looking for a nerdy space keyboard |
| 17:17.28 | DPThough1 | acces controll included, noone finds the keys :) |
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| 17:17.33 | Aria | polz: alsamixer in a terminal is |
| 17:18.47 | bmidgley | hmm it's only the terminal that gets into this weird 2-character greek mode |
| 17:18.50 | xzcvczx | just get one of those $1k keyboards that have a screen on every key then you can have whatever layout you want |
| 17:18.53 | bmidgley | when using my laptop keyboard |
| 17:19.02 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: i _so_ want an optimus! |
| 17:19.08 | Aria | 'Want. |
| 17:19.25 | DPThought | indeed |
| 17:19.28 | xzcvczx | yeah that the optimus |
| 17:19.44 | xzcvczx | cjb_ie: even for the ridiculous price they expect? |
| 17:19.51 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: i still _want_ it |
| 17:20.00 | xzcvczx | then go on buy it |
| 17:20.05 | DPThought | optimus for hightlighting SunCompose combis would be soooooo cool |
| 17:20.13 | cjb_ie | i don't want to pay for it though. |
| 17:20.24 | DPThought | or alt-gr for the poor mans umlauts |
| 17:20.33 | xzcvczx | lol so therefore you dont _so_ want it |
| 17:21.08 | cjb_ie | well, how cheap can you get approx 120 oled displays? |
| 17:21.28 | cjb_ie | i'm not sure how much the price can drop |
| 17:22.34 | xzcvczx | cjb_ie: then again when you were paying $200 for a 20gig hdd would you believe that a few years later you would get a 500gig for the same price or less |
| 17:22.47 | DPThought | there is a laser keyboard available that projects your keybard on the table. bad haptic i would guess, but if you could make the layout dynamic... the price is acceptable |
| 17:23.02 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: i didn't have that kind of money back then :) |
| 17:23.21 | DPThought | btw a option for the ne. since it is for mobile use and has bluetooth |
| 17:23.32 | cjb_ie | though i recently boggled at only 90 eur for a 160 gig laptop drive |
| 17:23.36 | DPThought | s/ne/neo/ |
| 17:23.53 | cjb_ie | right, foodtime - /me goes *poof* |
| 17:24.05 | xzcvczx | DPThought: yeah but how often when using a phone do you have a table in front of you |
| 17:24.21 | cw666 | xzcvczx: i think the cost of hw in NZ is probably a bit lower than in the US sometimes |
| 17:24.30 | xzcvczx | i am not sure whether i could ever get use to one of those laser keyboards anyway i prefer the buttons to mvoe |
| 17:24.37 | xzcvczx | cw666: fat chance |
| 17:24.51 | DPThought | xzcvczx: everytime i want to use it as a mobile computer. ;) You don't need a keboard for phone calls - sure |
| 17:25.00 | cw666 | xzcvczx: depends, whenever family or someone asks me about prices here and we compared it seems lower in NZ |
| 17:25.20 | xzcvczx | cw666: are you in california? |
| 17:25.24 | cw666 | yes |
| 17:25.30 | xzcvczx | your parents in nz? |
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| 17:25.35 | xzcvczx | well family? |
| 17:25.43 | PBeck | hallo |
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| 17:25.52 | cw666 | xzcvczx: what's left yeah |
| 17:26.05 | DPThought | PBeck: s/Hallo/Hello/ ;) |
| 17:26.26 | xzcvczx | haha you near berkley? |
| 17:26.36 | PBeck | DPThought: /asay => post my message von all channels ... i know evil :> |
| 17:26.43 | PBeck | s/von/on |
| 17:26.59 | cw666 | xzcvczx: san francisco, there are other nz's who are closer to berkeley though :-) |
| 17:27.12 | xzcvczx | cw666: yeah my sis is at berkley |
| 17:27.20 | cw666 | is she hot? |
| 17:27.25 | PBeck | i am at stuttgart ;> |
| 17:27.32 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 17:27.37 | xzcvczx | no |
| 17:27.46 | cw666 | well, does she have a pulse then? |
| 17:28.08 | xzcvczx | she did when i spoke to her on msn a few hours ago :P |
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| 17:31.04 | cw666 | ok, this is annoying |
| 17:31.10 | cw666 | i can't get the device to power up at all |
| 17:31.22 | cw666 | even though it's been connected to USB for almost an hour now |
| 17:31.38 | mmazur | Via direct cable? |
| 17:31.47 | cw666 | mmazur: yes |
| 17:32.02 | mmazur | Nothing in between? No additional cables? |
| 17:32.21 | cw666 | mmazur: nothing, the same setup i used yesterday and it charged then |
| 17:32.32 | mmazur | Weird. |
| 17:32.56 | _diego_ | cw666: the pc see it? |
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| 17:33.00 | cw666 | _diego_: no |
| 17:33.05 | DPThought | cw666: try disconnectint the cable, remove battery und put in again, power up and pray. As soon as it boots plug it in again. Helps for me sometimes |
| 17:33.53 | DPThought | cw666: the reset somehow tricks the power management in beliving a higher load i thing |
| 17:34.15 | cw666 | DPThought: that didnt work |
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| 17:38.54 | cw666 | i guess i can charge the battery in part externally ... what a pain though |
| 17:40.29 | ScaredyCat | can someone just test out my instructions for building your own images |
| 17:41.00 | polz | ScaredyCat: where are the instructions ? |
| 17:41.03 | ScaredyCat | assuming you've done the steps prior to this link first |
| 17:41.04 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course#Creating_your_own_images |
| 17:41.14 | cw666 | ok, so suspended w/ GSM on the claim is 115mA ... which would sound about right to drain the battery in 12 hours |
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| 17:41.20 | ScaredyCat | I'll be back in about an hour |
| 17:41.46 | cw666 | however, no other recent phone has such a meager battery life with GSM on ... so what are they doing differently to get their power so much lower? |
| 17:41.48 | thomasg | mtd-utils-native broken at moment? |
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| 17:42.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Application_Development_Crash_Course]] [[Manually_using_GPRS]] [[User:Mmontour/HHNotes]] |
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| 17:53.00 | Ghiottone | hi all |
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| 17:59.48 | nobody96 | moin |
| 18:00.46 | cw666 | DPThought: my current suspicion right now is that when the device is off and not in fast charge mode that there might be enough draw (gsm on?) to basically prevent the battery from charging much if at all |
| 18:01.08 | cw666 | so i'll probably (with the device connected) try and charge it directly to see if i can get it over that 'hump' |
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| 18:06.35 | polz | woot ! |
| 18:06.48 | polz | I've just finished my first call |
| 18:06.56 | polz | I mean.. my first _unexpected_ call :) |
| 18:07.27 | jeddy3 | polz, grats! :) |
| 18:08.07 | polz | can anyone suggest how to at least dampen the echo ? |
| 18:08.33 | polz | Dialer seems to insist on using the call speaker |
| 18:09.02 | polz | so I can't even switch over to the earphones, unless the phone is connected to a PC (so I can run alsamixer) |
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| 18:19.50 | thomasg | polz: you can lower the master volume in alsamixer, that helps a bit |
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| 18:51.40 | thomasg | does somebody else have problems with mtd-utils-native right now? |
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| 18:59.22 | alphaone | Okay, oabi chroot is done. Lets do some mapping with the neo :-) |
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| 19:03.09 | cw666 | thomasg: i just did a rebuild and saw no errors |
| 19:03.17 | cw666 | thomasg: are you seeing run-time or build-time problems? |
| 19:03.23 | jeddy3 | alphaone, wait, oabi/mapping...as in gps? |
| 19:05.56 | thomasg | cw666: make[1]: *** No rule to make target `ubiupdatevol.o', needed by `ubiupdatevol'. Stop. |
| 19:06.07 | thomasg | that seems to be the problem |
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| 19:08.01 | thomasg | cw666: and buildtime problems, not runtime |
| 19:08.14 | cw666 | thomasg: right, my default build here isn't even building that |
| 19:08.30 | thomasg | I just did a bitbake openmoko-image |
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| 19:10.12 | cw666 | thomasg: do you have ubiupdatevol.c in your tree? |
| 19:11.26 | thomasg | wait a second |
| 19:11.53 | thomasg | I'm not really sure, but bitbake openmoko-devel-image instead of openmoko-image (it includes openmoko-debug additionally) seems to work |
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| 19:12.52 | cw666 | thomasg: yeah, i did the later |
| 19:13.01 | cw666 | so, im having my modem timeout all the time and gsmd not work |
| 19:13.07 | cw666 | i think other have reported this too? |
| 19:13.16 | cw666 | any idea on what actually influences this? |
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| 19:14.59 | ccube | hi |
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| 19:15.11 | ccube | my neo does not ring on incoming call |
| 19:15.21 | ccube | outgoing is working well |
| 19:15.26 | ccube | some ideas? |
| 19:15.46 | ixs | ccube: does it vibrate? |
| 19:16.34 | ccube | no |
| 19:16.56 | ccube | doesnt tell me on the screen that there is a call |
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| 19:17.18 | ccube | i also have some boot problems |
| 19:17.30 | ccube | it is hanging when turning on normally |
| 19:17.41 | ccube | jost booting from uboot menu works |
| 19:17.46 | ccube | very strange |
| 19:18.22 | thomasg | ccube: try reflashing via dfu-util, this mostly worked for me in this case |
| 19:19.15 | ccube | perhaps NAND erase? |
| 19:19.45 | thomasg | well, nand erase normally erases the whole nand :) |
| 19:19.53 | ccube | lol |
| 19:19.53 | thomasg | including u-boot |
| 19:19.59 | ixs | nand erase rootfs maybe? |
| 19:20.05 | thomasg | yes, that would work |
| 19:20.16 | ccube | youre right, hehe |
| 19:20.19 | thomasg | nand erase rootfs & nand erase kernel afaik |
| 19:20.58 | ccube | kk |
| 19:21.04 | ccube | but not uboot? |
| 19:21.11 | cw666 | no, dont erase that |
| 19:21.14 | ccube | :) |
| 19:21.18 | thomasg | no, you need a debug board then |
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| 19:21.26 | ccube | ive got one! :) |
| 19:21.40 | thomasg | ok, than it's no problem |
| 19:21.44 | ccube | yeah |
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| 19:21.54 | cw666 | certain AT command seem to put the modem in a wedged state |
| 19:21.56 | cw666 | is this a known issue? |
| 19:22.02 | ccube | ok |
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| 19:22.11 | ccube | yesterday it worked |
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| 19:25.17 | ccube | which linux are you using for builing? |
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| 19:31.25 | cw666 | ok, it's definately gsmd doing weirdness at times |
| 19:31.46 | cw666 | if i poke the hw directly it more-or-less seems to talk, albeit slowly at times |
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| 19:37.33 | ccube | :) |
| 19:39.18 | riot | how can i find out wether the neo is charging? it doesn't turn on, though i just connected the (probably) empty device to my usb.. |
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| 19:41.11 | ccube | wait an hour or so on |
| 19:41.24 | ccube | your battery is really empty i think |
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| 19:41.38 | hateman | hi all |
| 19:41.39 | ccube | hi hateman |
| 19:41.42 | ccube | ;) |
| 19:41.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[User:Hhf423]] [[User_talk:Vlad]] [[Translation]] [[Application_Development_Crash_Course]] |
| 19:41.49 | hateman | hi ccube |
| 19:41.51 | riot | the display blinks every now and then...!?? |
| 19:42.19 | riot | ccube: yeah, really empty by nothing. The device was _full_ and then powered off for a day and night.. |
| 19:42.46 | cw666 | ok, im lost here.... i'm looking at the power requirements of other GSM modules and they are values like 17mA average stand-by, 3.5mA in low-power mode |
| 19:42.52 | ccube | also happened to me |
| 19:43.24 | riot | i hope this is just a software issue |
| 19:43.32 | ccube | riot: take out the battery, wait 5 minutes an then load it for some hours. It will boot then |
| 19:43.54 | cw666 | riot: ive seen the same thing, basically the radio can stay powered up and drain the battery to the point where it's a problem to deal with |
| 19:44.04 | cw666 | im not so sure it is a sw issue either, not entirely |
| 19:44.58 | ccube | hateman: ma ark download is broken... :( |
| 19:45.09 | ccube | everything from the beginning... |
| 19:45.26 | hateman | ccube: i have no problems :-) |
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| 19:46.01 | hateman | ccube:ark-development-suite-2007.1.iso finished |
| 19:46.04 | ccube | hateman: but my speed is higher :P |
| 19:46.17 | hateman | ccube:main iso 50 % |
| 19:46.26 | ccube | hateman: try to install on PS3! :-D |
| 19:46.29 | hateman | ccube: no comment .. |
| 19:47.06 | hateman | ccube: nearly done :-) |
| 19:47.12 | ccube | lol |
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| 19:55.51 | borg_ | does someone know how i can switch the lcd in the 320x240 mode? |
| 19:56.04 | cjb | xrandr -o left |
| 19:56.11 | cjb | I think holding the power button gives you a UI for that? |
| 19:56.37 | borg_ | i dont want switch orientation |
| 19:56.44 | borg_ | i want to switch the resolution ;) |
| 19:56.50 | borg_ | the wiki says its possible: |
| 19:56.55 | cjb | why do you think you can switch resolution? |
| 19:56.57 | cjb | huh. |
| 19:57.00 | ScaredyCat | wiki wookie |
| 19:57.35 | borg_ | The LCD can be switched to a 240*320 stretch mode |
| 19:57.58 | borg_ | i just testet mplayer -fps 12 -hardframedrop -pp 0 -vf rotate=1 -fs Rammstein_Sonne_320x240.avi |
| 19:58.02 | borg_ | it looks nice |
| 19:58.06 | borg_ | but is very small ;) |
| 19:58.49 | ccube | :) |
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| 20:02.02 | hateman | does someone know what i have to do to boot from the sd card ? |
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| 20:02.24 | CoolCat2012 | hi! |
| 20:03.13 | hateman | i mean how to prepare the sd card for booting |
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| 20:04.23 | dcordes | hateman: extract your favourite image to sd with ext2 or so and make your bootloader boot it |
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| 20:05.09 | hateman | dcordes: thanks i will try it |
| 20:05.10 | ccube | sounds pretty easy. :) |
| 20:05.19 | CoolCat2012 | is there any way o simulate openmoko under linux? |
| 20:05.19 | aloril | CoolCat2012: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 20:05.23 | cw666 | dcordes: jffs2 doesnt work? |
| 20:05.31 | cw666 | CoolCat2012: qemu, check the wiki |
| 20:05.39 | cw666 | CoolCat2012: or build as i386 target |
| 20:06.29 | dcordes | hateman: you can also use jffs2 me thinkink |
| 20:06.54 | ccube | just copy jffs2 to SD? |
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| 20:09.12 | borg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.12 | borg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.15 | borg_ | if i change this |
| 20:09.24 | borg_ | it just changes the appearance of X or? |
| 20:09.34 | CoolCat2012 | cw666, thanks |
| 20:09.41 | borg_ | mmh... i cant find out how to change the resolution |
| 20:09.42 | borg_ | damn |
| 20:09.47 | borg_ | cant be that hard |
| 20:09.48 | hateman | ccube: no, tried it allready |
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| 20:10.15 | CoolCat2012 | cw666, is there any qemu image allready that i can use? |
| 20:11.16 | cw666 | CoolCat2012: probably somewhere, i personally dont have one to offer at this point in time though |
| 20:11.40 | CoolCat2012 | cw666, np. thankz! |
| 20:13.43 | ccube | hateman: :( |
| 20:15.30 | dcordes | ccube: I'm not sure if you can boot loop images with the openmoko bootloader (uboot?) |
| 20:15.51 | borg_ | you can |
| 20:16.07 | ccube | borg_: how? |
| 20:16.10 | borg_ | there is at least a menu entry |
| 20:16.18 | dcordes | ccube: yes. |
| 20:16.20 | borg_ | go into uboot menu |
| 20:16.29 | borg_ | and klick on boot from sd ;) |
| 20:16.50 | ccube | yeah, but how to prepare the sdcard? |
| 20:17.18 | dcordes | borg_: is the touchscreen driver loaded in uboot? |
| 20:17.27 | borg_ | no |
| 20:17.37 | dcordes | so how do you click it? |
| 20:17.41 | borg_ | aux button to go down in the menu |
| 20:17.52 | borg_ | and power button du choose |
| 20:17.57 | dcordes | heh nice |
| 20:18.00 | borg_ | s/du/to/ |
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| 20:18.37 | hhf423 | re |
| 20:19.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 775 has been created by hndispatch-hhf423(AT)yahoo.de |
| 20:19.02 | cdbot2 | * * bluetooth can not be enabled (kernel 2.6.22.5-moko11 / 20070829) |
| 20:19.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=775 |
| 20:19.17 | hhf423 | an other snapshot and no change in gsmd behavior |
| 20:19.19 | borg_ | hateman: you first have to partition your sd card |
| 20:19.34 | woglinde | dcordes lol |
| 20:20.00 | borg_ | hateman: you can do this on the neo with fdisk |
| 20:20.27 | borg_ | the get the rootfs.tar and extract it |
| 20:20.32 | borg_ | thats it |
| 20:20.35 | borg_ | i think ;) |
| 20:21.05 | borg_ | (first umount, than partition) |
| 20:21.06 | hateman | borg_ : thanks i will try it, if it works i will write it to the wiki :-) |
| 20:21.18 | dcordes | woglinde ? |
| 20:21.50 | borg_ | hateman: http://wiki.openzaurus.org/HowTos/Root_Filesystem_on_external_media |
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| 20:22.02 | borg_ | thats a bit more detailed |
| 20:22.05 | borg_ | try this |
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| 20:23.32 | hateman | borg_: rootfs on sd for dummies :-) thanks |
| 20:23.46 | dcordes | good old oz wiki |
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| 20:25.44 | woglinde | dcordes everyone waits for gtav02 |
| 20:26.15 | borg_ | i dont, i like my gta01 :) |
| 20:26.44 | nbd | is there a known bug with accessing the gsm module on gta01? |
| 20:26.49 | nbd | i don't get any data from it at all |
| 20:26.57 | nbd | and i checked all the things that were listed in the wiki |
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| 20:27.15 | hhf423 | woglinde: gta02 is two months to go, no? |
| 20:27.17 | dcordes | will october really work? |
| 20:27.34 | borg_ | i think they will ship hardware |
| 20:27.36 | borg_ | why not? |
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| 20:27.44 | borg_ | but properbly not for the mass market |
| 20:28.07 | dcordes | I thought fic-gta02 was "mass market"? |
| 20:28.23 | hozer | !bug 774 |
| 20:28.33 | borg_ | yes, but the software is obviously not ready for the mass market |
| 20:28.42 | borg_ | and it wont in october |
| 20:28.51 | dcordes | be optimistic. |
| 20:29.24 | borg_ | its nearly september and i cant make calls |
| 20:29.31 | dcordes | what? |
| 20:29.34 | borg_ | so come on.. ;) |
| 20:30.09 | thomasg | damn, mtd-utils-native still fails :( |
| 20:30.21 | ScaredyCat | !bug #774 |
| 20:30.24 | dcordes | borg_:what do you mean, you can not make calls? |
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| 20:30.33 | ynezz | !ombug 774 |
| 20:30.33 | borg_ | dcordes: not reliably |
| 20:30.34 | ynezz | :p |
| 20:30.35 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 774, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 20:30.36 | cdbot2 | * * hozer(AT)hozed.org: qemu mouse/pointer input unreliable |
| 20:30.37 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=774 |
| 20:33.51 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: don't play with your food! |
| 20:34.35 | hozer | hhf423: fix the qemu touchpad rotation! ;) |
| 20:34.56 | ScaredyCat | hhf423: test my 'build you own images' instructions |
| 20:34.59 | bmidgley | wooooo just got a short file to play over a2dp |
| 20:35.14 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course#Creating_your_own_images |
| 20:35.19 | bmidgley | cpu kept up |
| 20:35.36 | hhf423 | hozer: sorry, I am not really a coder. I can fix a thing in a script or configuration, but thats about it. Or is it written in Fortran? |
| 20:36.19 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: is that where at some point I have to compile for three days? |
| 20:36.45 | ScaredyCat | no, if you've built an image already then it'll take 5 mins |
| 20:37.02 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: not done that |
| 20:37.34 | bmidgley | heh even decoding mp3 and reencoding sbc is working |
| 20:37.50 | meus | bmidgley: nice! |
| 20:38.36 | bmidgley | madplay uses ~40% of the cpu to decode... aplay then uses <10% to reencode |
| 20:38.53 | bmidgley | ouch |
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| 20:39.49 | bmidgley | I'll write it up in wiki |
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| 20:41.25 | ScaredyCat | 13 minutes hhf423 - honest |
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| 20:43.35 | dcordes | is it possible to pre-order fic-gta02? |
| 20:43.40 | milo_ | how to disable the touchscreen feedback sound? |
| 20:44.24 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: I think I have an electronic monk somewhere who migh believe you |
| 20:45.23 | meus | I copy what dcordes asks :) i want to preorder 2 of them :) |
| 20:45.27 | hhf423 | milo_: rename the thouchscreen click files in /usr/share/openmoko/sounds |
| 20:45.39 | hhf423 | dcordes: no |
| 20:45.51 | meus | :/ |
| 20:46.03 | fgau | milo_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Boot_sound |
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| 20:46.49 | milo_ | hhf423: thanks. but does it really stop play them? madplay returns me resourse busy when i run it with the onscreen keyboard |
| 20:47.25 | hhf423 | milo_: fgau has the more elegant solution |
| 20:48.00 | fgau | hhf423: oh |
| 20:48.16 | milo_ | fgau: thanks :) |
| 20:49.01 | milo_ | fgau: any way to unload them after boot? |
| 20:49.32 | Ghiottone | hhf423, did you manage to have SettingsGUI running? |
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| 20:51.20 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: yes |
| 20:51.26 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: cools stuff |
| 20:51.38 | Ghiottone | how did you do it? |
| 20:51.54 | Ghiottone | it keeps saying that it can't find gtk module |
| 20:52.06 | Ghiottone | even though I have installed python-pygtk |
| 20:52.28 | cw666 | gah, how do i make the keyboard appear in .2 ? |
| 20:52.34 | cw666 | i dont see an icon for it |
| 20:52.48 | ScaredyCat | you hve to run it |
| 20:52.53 | ScaredyCat | 'input manager' |
| 20:52.54 | Ghiottone | cw666, launch the input manager |
| 20:53.01 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: oh, you need the -dev packages which are listed |
| 20:53.10 | Ghiottone | oh |
| 20:53.34 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: they take a lot of space |
| 20:53.54 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: so you may need to move stuff to the mmc |
| 20:54.18 | Ghiottone | I'm installing the packages directly into the sd card |
| 20:58.22 | thomasg | ok, for the log: here's the patch for the mtd-utils-native problem: http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=1776 |
| 20:58.37 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: using -dest? |
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| 20:59.29 | Ghiottone | yes |
| 20:59.37 | Ghiottone | ipkg install -d card package |
| 20:59.42 | hhf423 | never tried that |
| 20:59.48 | Ghiottone | you need to configure it in ipkg.conf |
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| 21:00.03 | Ghiottone | I'm trying to package SettingsGUI with a bb recipe |
| 21:00.18 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: ah, good idea |
| 21:00.32 | cw666 | Ghiottone: it's running |
| 21:00.50 | Ghiottone | I think I have made good progress last night |
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| 21:01.19 | Ghiottone | cw666, if input manager is running there should be its white box at the top of the screen |
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| 21:02.24 | Ghiottone | hhf423, where do you think I should put the *.py files? |
| 21:02.33 | hozer | why is input manage a white box? |
| 21:02.47 | white_gecko | hello |
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| 21:03.17 | Stephmw | hey TimRiker |
| 21:03.32 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: no idea, really, extra dir for the software in /usr/share ? |
| 21:03.40 | hhf423 | hozer: because |
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| 21:03.54 | cw666 | Ghiottone: right, it's crashing at times so i have to manually start it |
| 21:04.14 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: I read a very good argumentation on where to put which files on a unix system once, but I can not remember a thing |
| 21:04.30 | Ghiottone | hhf423, was it LSB? |
| 21:04.38 | robster | FHS. |
| 21:04.45 | hhf423 | dunno |
| 21:04.50 | Ghiottone | cw666, try upgrading. I used it recently and worked fine |
| 21:04.54 | cw666 | stupid questions, can the CPU get at the GSM in-call audio data |
| 21:05.00 | cw666 | Ghiottone: this was built not long ago |
| 21:05.45 | hhf423 | cw666: GSM voice call stream can be accessed, yes, there is a answer in the FAQ |
| 21:05.57 | Ghiottone | cw666, I upgraded it an hour ago. if yours is as recent as this, then I don't have any other suggestion |
| 21:06.02 | hhf423 | cw666: by roh, like added this morning or last night |
| 21:06.12 | Ghiottone | does FHS applies to openmoko? |
| 21:06.39 | cw666 | hhf423: thanks, let me check |
| 21:06.55 | borg_ | is there allready a bug entry for the crash of X when the terminal is closed? |
| 21:07.01 | Ghiottone | nite hhf423 |
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| 21:08.30 | _diego_ | Ghiottone: probably |
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| 21:09.21 | _diego_ | btw, LSB is a superset of FHS |
| 21:09.47 | kristian-m | Ghiottone great, i'd really like that .bb file :-) - if you like i could open an svn next week |
| 21:10.47 | Ghiottone | sure |
| 21:11.14 | Ghiottone | I was thinking about putting SettingsGUI.py in /usr/bin (or a directory in the path) |
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| 21:11.23 | Ghiottone | and the rest of .py files in a dir |
| 21:11.31 | Ghiottone | but I'm wondering which one |
| 21:11.44 | milo_ | whats the best way to copy huge files to /media/card? getting input/output error with scp |
| 21:11.50 | Ghiottone | I tried /usr/lib/pyhton/SettingsGUI/ |
| 21:12.09 | Ghiottone | and changed the imports to import SettingsGUI.<file> but it does not work |
| 21:12.28 | Ghiottone | milo_, there is a bug that has recently been fixed |
| 21:13.02 | SpeedEvil | milo_: do it over GPRS. |
| 21:13.04 | _diego_ | Ghiottone, have u installed python on openmoko? |
| 21:13.17 | SpeedEvil | Oh - it's been fixed :) |
| 21:13.17 | jseghers | hi folks |
| 21:13.28 | SpeedEvil | I need to check that. |
| 21:13.31 | woglinde | speedevi what is fixed? |
| 21:13.46 | jseghers | I seem to now be able to place outgoing calls fine. |
| 21:13.48 | milo_ | SpeedEvil: ;D |
| 21:13.59 | SpeedEvil | The write too fast to media/card and lose the card till reboot one |
| 21:14.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 776 has been created by olaf(AT)uni-paderborn.de |
| 21:14.02 | cdbot2 | * * X crashes when terminal is closed with power button |
| 21:14.02 | jseghers | But when I receive a call, it kills the dialer |
| 21:14.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=776 |
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| 21:14.34 | jseghers | Has anyone seen that? have a fix for it? |
| 21:15.07 | Ghiottone | _diego_, yes |
| 21:15.33 | _diego_ | how? |
| 21:15.47 | _diego_ | where can i find instruction? |
| 21:16.53 | Ghiottone | _diego_, ipkg install python-core |
| 21:16.55 | hozer | /m elleo |
| 21:17.10 | hozer | bah, gaim is pissing me off |
| 21:17.31 | hozer | someone apparently got linux running on a treo650 |
| 21:17.36 | hozer | and built the openmoko dialer |
| 21:17.41 | borg_ | Ghiottone: what is SettingsGUI? |
| 21:18.05 | Ghiottone | borg_, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SettingsGUI |
| 21:18.34 | borg_ | nice :) |
| 21:18.44 | hads | xzcvczx: I'm not an aussie :) |
| 21:20.59 | borg_ | ipkg: extract_archive: /usr/lib/python2.5/plat-linux2/: No space left on device |
| 21:21.03 | borg_ | arg |
| 21:21.05 | borg_ | :) |
| 21:21.40 | Ghiottone | I installed it on the media card |
| 21:21.45 | Ghiottone | to save space |
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| 21:21.56 | borg_ | how can i do it? |
| 21:22.22 | Ghiottone | I formatted it ext2fs |
| 21:22.39 | Ghiottone | then configured ipkg.conf |
| 21:22.55 | Ghiottone | by adding a card target |
| 21:23.05 | Ghiottone | then ipkg install -d card python-core |
| 21:23.12 | borg_ | ah nice |
| 21:23.17 | borg_ | :) |
| 21:23.30 | kristian-m | Ghiottone okay, lets find the best way to do this - we need the files in site-packages and we don't want a depandency on distutils... hmmm |
| 21:23.34 | borg_ | dest card /media/card/ |
| 21:23.37 | borg_ | like this? |
| 21:24.01 | Ghiottone | I added a subdir (/media/card/root) |
| 21:24.08 | Ghiottone | don't know which is best way |
| 21:24.33 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, distutils? what does it provide? |
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| 21:26.00 | kristian-m | Ghiottone it's a way to install python applications - using a setup.py file |
| 21:26.47 | kristian-m | Ghiottone i've not done this before, but i guess we would just have to change the searchpath for modules... |
| 21:27.24 | Ghiottone | what is the default searchpath |
| 21:27.27 | Ghiottone | ? |
| 21:28.39 | _diego_ | u can use some env variables: PYTHONPATH PYTHONHOME |
| 21:29.28 | _diego_ | usually is /usr/lib/python2.x |
| 21:30.45 | borg_ | Ghiottone: works :))) |
| 21:31.03 | riot | aah, it lives again. |
| 21:32.24 | Ghiottone | borg_, :) |
| 21:32.44 | Ghiottone | putting the .py files in /usr/lib/python2.5 make it work |
| 21:33.19 | Ghiottone | but now two questions. How do I know during install that python dir is that one? And is there a way to place them into a subdir? |
| 21:33.24 | _diego_ | btw, the preferred way, is using distutils :) |
| 21:33.54 | _diego_ | because python interpreter know where they have to be |
| 21:34.34 | Ghiottone | is there a way to ask python that information? |
| 21:34.35 | polz | argh |
| 21:34.58 | _diego_ | http://docs.python.org/dist/dist.html |
| 21:35.10 | polz | what do I have to do in order for neod to recognize taps and drags as signals to reset the powersave timer ? |
| 21:35.59 | Ghiottone | _diego_, great! but I'll need a bit of time to read it |
| 21:36.36 | _diego_ | eventually u can use: |
| 21:36.38 | _diego_ | import sys |
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| 21:36.42 | _diego_ | print sys.path |
| 21:36.56 | _diego_ | but it's worse than reading the link above ^^ |
| 21:37.02 | kristian-m | Ghiottone i'll do something like sys.path += ["/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/Settings-GUI-0.5/"] in the next version |
| 21:37.16 | kristian-m | _diego_ thx, I'll read that too |
| 21:37.26 | hads | .append() |
| 21:38.11 | _diego_ | btw, u don't have to change the path variables if u put modules in the right place |
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| 21:38.27 | hads | Indeed |
| 21:38.41 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, ok. I'm adjusting the bb recipe with recently found dependencies and paths and then I'll make it on a website |
| 21:39.16 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, oh. I had to change the first line to point to /usr/bin/python instead of /bin/python |
| 21:39.33 | kristian-m | Ghiottone okay, thanks |
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| 21:42.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Application_Development_Crash_Course]] [[User_talk:Zeroping]] [[Manually_using_Bluetooth]] [[User:Hhf423]] [[Wishlist:Speech_synthesis]] [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] |
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| 21:42.39 | gcb77_ | When I use "ipkg -d location" on dev packages I get errors about not being able to create sym links... is anyone else seeing that? |
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| 21:43.35 | borg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.35 | borg_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.35 | borg_ | ImportError: No module named gtk |
| 21:43.36 | borg_ | mh |
| 21:43.39 | borg_ | :( |
| 21:43.59 | borg_ | i copied it to /usr/lib/python2.5/ |
| 21:44.43 | Ghiottone | gcb77_, probably cause the card is a FAT fs |
| 21:45.09 | gcb77_ | that's a problem? |
| 21:45.20 | borg_ | gcb77_: no symlinks on fat |
| 21:45.25 | Ghiottone | gcb77_, FAT does not support symlinks |
| 21:45.28 | borg_ | or have you ever seen symlinks in dos? ;) |
| 21:45.39 | gcb77_ | Oh, wait. I was thinking ext2 |
| 21:45.55 | gcb77_ | Most links work, its only specific files that give problems |
| 21:48.00 | cw666 | ok, there is bad echo ... is that an artifact of the hw using the speakers? |
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| 21:48.31 | cw666 | i notice other phones what have a speaker ability dont seem nearly as bad, im wonder how they prevent that, some sort of feedback perhaps on the microphone gain? |
| 21:49.30 | borg_ | cw666: i dont know, but i can confirm that behaviour |
| 21:49.48 | borg_ | i hope we can filter this somehow |
| 21:50.42 | cw666 | it might also be in part due to the physical design/construction of the device |
| 21:50.57 | _diego_ | usually cell have something to cancel echo |
| 21:51.04 | polz | I remember someone on the list mentioning that the fact that the microphone is in a hole was supposed to remedy the problem with echo |
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| 21:51.17 | polz | obviously it does not. |
| 21:51.20 | _diego_ | echo is a well known problem in telephony |
| 21:51.45 | polz | but what you can do is use your earphones when you're talking |
| 21:52.00 | cw666 | polz: sorta makes the device pointless if that becomes a requirement |
| 21:52.02 | polz | ofcourse, without a mixer, you'll have to ssh into the phone and use alsamixer |
| 21:52.52 | polz | cw666: well, I also intend to use it as a music player, so the workaround doesn't really make the phone useless for me |
| 21:53.11 | polz | cw666: using the external mike should also help... |
| 21:53.30 | polz | the only problem there is that I haven't figured out how exactly one can do that |
| 21:53.37 | Ghiottone | the package should be here http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/settingsgui_0.4-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 21:53.37 | cw666 | polz: it's a hell of a bulky music player |
| 21:53.38 | polz | I mean use the mike |
| 21:54.01 | polz | cw666: the last portable music player I had used casettes |
| 21:54.17 | polz | cw666: so... it doesn't seem _that_ bulky to me :) |
| 21:54.55 | Ghiottone | the recipe is ath http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/settingsgui.bb.tar.gz |
| 21:55.13 | SpeedEvil | Some tests last night indicated that 7-8 hours mp3 life is easy |
| 21:55.25 | SpeedEvil | 100Mhz and lowered battery voltage. |
| 21:55.31 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: w/ gsm off right? |
| 21:55.32 | SpeedEvil | 100Mhz and lowered CPU core voltage. |
| 21:55.41 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: how are you changing the CPU speed and voltage? |
| 21:55.50 | SpeedEvil | u-boot, and echo |
| 21:55.55 | SpeedEvil | nothing dynamic. |
| 21:56.31 | SpeedEvil | Interestingly, the CPU seems to work down to 1.2V or so - but not ethernet or sound. |
| 21:56.39 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: i guess i should have asked differently ... is there a wiki page on doing this? |
| 21:57.05 | SpeedEvil | It's not safe - you can as easily fry your neo permenantly |
| 21:57.21 | SpeedEvil | the [[bootloader]] page lists how to set speed |
| 21:57.25 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: im ok with that, ill send it to WillItBlend then and get another one |
| 21:57.43 | Fatal | :) |
| 21:58.02 | cw666 | im actually serious :-) if i fry it i might as well do that |
| 21:58.09 | kristian-m | Ghiottone _diego_ is right, we can just create .../site-package/Settings-GUI/ and python should automatically add it to the modules search path |
| 21:58.17 | cw666 | or add it to the list of laptops and old drivers im going to thermite |
| 21:59.45 | SpeedEvil | cw666: look at [[kernel]] and [[Neo1973 power managment]] |
| 22:00.03 | SpeedEvil | the voltage* settings |
| 22:00.08 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: btw, i seem to have the device discharge quickly here |
| 22:00.23 | cw666 | i have a logging script as suggested somewhere on the wiki, and the output seems plausible to some extent |
| 22:00.29 | SpeedEvil | also you want to look at the CPU and assorted other datasheets to do this safely. |
| 22:00.35 | SpeedEvil | what output? |
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| 22:00.46 | cw666 | /media/card/power/* log output |
| 22:01.00 | SpeedEvil | you mean the discharge curve? |
| 22:01.02 | cw666 | there is a tar file to help debug why some devices use a lot of power, which this one apparently does |
| 22:01.12 | cw666 | well, it's just values, i could plot them certainly |
| 22:01.18 | SpeedEvil | oh - right. |
| 22:01.20 | SpeedEvil | Not seen. |
| 22:01.28 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, oh I see. Let me hack the recipe again |
| 22:01.29 | cw666 | sorry, im being vague for lack of knowing the right reference in the wiki |
| 22:01.39 | SpeedEvil | I'm approacking it from the bottom up. |
| 22:02.02 | cw666 | im thinking i might end up doing that myself here, throw away the bulk of the sw and work from the ground up and see what is going on |
| 22:02.13 | xzcvczx | damnit DDR2 isnt compatible with DDR :( |
| 22:02.14 | cw666 | i need to make a shim between the battery and the phone to measure the draw there |
| 22:02.36 | cw666 | xzcvczx: nope, fairly different in some ways, ddr3 and ddr4 are also different |
| 22:02.49 | xzcvczx | 3 & 4? |
| 22:04.00 | cw666 | xzcvczx: not common in desktop/server space (yet) |
| 22:04.08 | cw666 | some video hardware uses them though |
| 22:04.17 | cw666 | actually, i think for video the ddr4 is something a bit special again |
| 22:04.40 | SpeedEvil | cw666: done that - any measurements you want? I may recall them. |
| 22:04.44 | cb22 | remember gddr != ddr |
| 22:05.05 | SpeedEvil | cw666: do you have copper foil tape? |
| 22:05.13 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: im not sure why my battery goes flat in 12 hours or so w/ the CPU is off |
| 22:05.22 | cw666 | even with gsm, gps and bt on it should last longer |
| 22:05.26 | cw666 | w/ just gsm on it should last a LOT longer |
| 22:05.36 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately. |
| 22:05.40 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: copper foil tape? not on me, there is some at work |
| 22:06.02 | SpeedEvil | It looks like the GSM modem off only saves some 1/2 of the standby power. |
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| 22:06.20 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: so you see about 115mA draw? |
| 22:06.21 | SpeedEvil | Indicating a 4 or so day battery life, with only the modem on. |
| 22:06.32 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: oh, 4 days would be okish |
| 22:06.43 | cw666 | looking at similar modules they are 17mA idle |
| 22:06.49 | SpeedEvil | No - 'off' is around 30mA with modem on, and 15mA with it off. |
| 22:06.50 | cw666 | the calypso here seems a lot higher |
| 22:07.05 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: 15mA with it off? what is using the other 15mA? |
| 22:07.20 | SpeedEvil | Dunno, not investigated in depth |
| 22:07.20 | cw666 | ddr refresh should be lower than that i would thing |
| 22:07.27 | cw666 | (self refresh) |
| 22:07.31 | SpeedEvil | it's sdr |
| 22:07.43 | SpeedEvil | and that should be well under a milliamp |
| 22:07.47 | Ghiottone | anyone knows how to put an application into the application's list? |
| 22:08.13 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: bt is pretty low, that wouldnt account for that |
| 22:08.28 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: gps might, did you check if that was on? |
| 22:08.31 | SpeedEvil | BT is normally off. And can't wake the CPU anyway |
| 22:08.34 | SpeedEvil | GPS was off. |
| 22:08.47 | SpeedEvil | I suspect the audio chips not shut down properly. |
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| 22:10.07 | SpeedEvil | cw666 : take one 3mm strip of the copper tape backing. Apply two 2mm strips of copper tape to each side. Connect ends to wires. Tape to battery, so that it folds over the edge vertically. |
| 22:10.17 | SpeedEvil | works for me. |
| 22:10.19 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: LM4857 maybe? |
| 22:10.49 | Maledictus | which file in qemu-neo1973 is the touchscreen? |
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| 22:21.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 777 has been created by d.r.newman(AT)qub.ac.uk |
| 22:21.01 | cdbot2 | * * ssh into Neo doesn't work in 29 Aug. 2007 build |
| 22:21.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=777 |
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| 22:23.45 | polz | I've already asked this: |
| 22:24.09 | polz | what do I have to do for the taps to reset the power saving timer ? |
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| 22:34.45 | Ghiottone | kristian-m, I have added the urls for package and bb recipe in my user page: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Alessandro |
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| 22:41.56 | quinton | what's a tracked alias? |
| 22:42.41 | cw666 | anyone got gprs working with t-mobile? |
| 22:42.50 | cw666 | i have a pppd session up but address negotiation isn't working as expected |
| 22:44.12 | SpeedEvil | I've done t-mobile-uk |
| 22:44.55 | SpeedEvil | add the 'debug' option, and start syslodg |
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| 22:46.34 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: i have the pppd session up, but i dont get a remote address |
| 22:46.42 | anrp | D:? |
| 22:46.46 | cw666 | so i have no idea what i can/could ping to test ip connectivity |
| 22:46.47 | anrp | pastebin log |
| 22:47.59 | SpeedEvil | 216.239.59.99 |
| 22:48.04 | SpeedEvil | one of googles many boxes |
| 22:48.12 | SpeedEvil | you need to setup /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:48.31 | SpeedEvil | nameserver 1.2.3.4 |
| 22:48.34 | SpeedEvil | or whatever |
| 22:48.39 | cw666 | http://stupidest.org/tmp/om/ppplog1.txt |
| 22:48.53 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: no, i mean i know i can't see the outside world, i dont have a plan for that |
| 22:49.00 | cw666 | but i should be able to see stuff inside the captive portal |
| 22:49.03 | SpeedEvil | route add default ppp0 |
| 22:49.08 | SpeedEvil | oh - right |
| 22:49.16 | SpeedEvil | sorry, t-mobile.uk is general IP |
| 22:49.19 | cw666 | it's not a routing issue, it's a far-end-is-who-are-you issue |
| 22:49.20 | SpeedEvil | to anywhere |
| 22:49.37 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: what do you use for your remote ip? |
| 22:49.51 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: leave that out and let it assign one? or you can actually pick a value and they NAT as needed? |
| 22:50.33 | SpeedEvil | leave it out |
| 22:50.40 | SpeedEvil | ppp assigns one to you |
| 22:50.48 | cw666 | well, only if it gets one |
| 22:50.49 | cw666 | and it's not |
| 22:51.46 | anrp | then it might not actually matter |
| 22:52.04 | anrp | route add -host 72.14.207.99 gw 10.64.64.64 ppp0 |
| 22:52.16 | cw666 | it's not a routing problem |
| 22:52.25 | anrp | then ping 72.14.207.99 |
| 22:52.27 | cw666 | there is a default, so that route isn't needed |
| 22:52.33 | cw666 | why 72.14.207.99? |
| 22:52.39 | anrp | google.com again D: |
| 22:52.47 | cw666 | no, i tried similar |
| 22:52.54 | cw666 | i see no packets come back |
| 22:52.55 | cw666 | nada |
| 22:53.08 | SpeedEvil | cw666: where did you get the pppd script from? |
| 22:53.08 | anrp | post your peers file? |
| 22:53.11 | anrp | or commandline |
| 22:53.16 | SpeedEvil | do you have the 'noipdefault' option set? |
| 22:53.28 | cw666 | yes |
| 22:55.16 | cw666 | ok, tested the sim in a RAZR, that can actually get somewhere |
| 22:55.24 | SpeedEvil | Odd. That pppd log seems to say that the IP address should be 10.175.177.170 |
| 22:55.55 | cw666 | and the local address is |
| 22:56.01 | cw666 | but i dont have a suitable REMOTE address |
| 22:56.53 | SpeedEvil | oh - right. |
| 22:57.34 | cw666 | anrp: peers file is fine, or else i wouldn't get a session up |
| 22:57.38 | SpeedEvil | There are only some 24 million possibilities. |
| 22:57.44 | cw666 | well, chap details are fine |
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| 22:57.59 | Ghiottone | nite all |
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| 22:59.32 | anrp | .. |
| 22:59.59 | anrp | can you post it anyway (redact appropriate info if needed)? |
| 23:00.14 | xkr47 | handy command to set the clock: ssh root@192.168.0.202 'date '`date +%m%d%H%M%Y.%S` |
| 23:00.19 | xkr47 | (run it on the host computer) |
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| 23:04.57 | cw666 | xkr47: huh? yo make it hard |
| 23:05.02 | cw666 | rdate 192.168.0.x |
| 23:05.03 | cw666 | works much better |
| 23:05.12 | anrp | if you allow rdate |
| 23:05.28 | xkr47 | no such command or filename :) |
| 23:05.29 | fish_ | re |
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| 23:05.48 | xkr47 | I haven't set up moko build env yet, only recently got new hard disks to be able to do so :) |
| 23:05.56 | xkr47 | so that date command saves my day :) |
| 23:06.30 | cw666 | xkr47: rdate is part of busybox, chances are you have it |
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| 23:06.51 | xkr47 | right you are |
| 23:08.13 | cw666 | i'm *always* right; get it tattooed on yourself so you dont forget |
| 23:08.29 | anrp | ... |
| 23:10.43 | cw666 | anyhow, i reboot w/ a different sim and i can't even get gsm stable |
| 23:10.44 | cw666 | sigh |
| 23:12.22 | quinton | i'm not having any luck getting gsm to work =/ |
| 23:12.49 | quinton | is there a way to check if it can at least see the simcard? |
| 23:13.02 | jseghers | quinton: have you added the gsmd stop / gsmd start to your session file? |
| 23:13.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03alphaone * r2853 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/matchbox/theme.xml: |
| 23:13.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 30-08-2007 Daniel Willmann <daniel@totalueberwachung.de> |
| 23:13.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: theme.xml: Reduce titlefont font size |
| 23:14.08 | quinton | jseghers, session file? i have done that before trying the manual way and the libgsmd-tool way |
| 23:15.17 | jseghers | quinton: /etc/matchbox/session is a script that runs when you start the xsession. |
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| 23:15.34 | quinton | er, except i didn't start it before doing it the manual way |
| 23:15.38 | cw666 | anrp: sigh, i can't even get the connect script working reliably after a reboot now |
| 23:15.58 | jseghers | toss /etc/init.d/gsmd stop and /etc/init.d/gsmd start near the top of the session file. |
| 23:16.28 | jseghers | I've gotten it to place calls. |
| 23:16.34 | nbd | same here |
| 23:16.43 | jseghers | And I've gotten the ring and caller ID in the gsm.log |
| 23:17.04 | jseghers | But I'm having a problem with it crashing the dialer when the incoming call occurs. |
| 23:17.27 | jseghers | but I'm also modifying the dialer...so I need to make sure it's not *my* code doing it.... |
| 23:17.30 | quinton | jseghers, thanks, i'll try it |
| 23:17.45 | SpeedEvil | cw666: does it |
| 23:17.46 | SpeedEvil | OK at+cfun=1 |
| 23:17.47 | SpeedEvil | OK at+cgdcont=1,"ip","general.t-mobile.uk","0.0.0.0",0,0 |
| 23:17.47 | SpeedEvil | OK at+cgatt=1 |
| 23:17.47 | SpeedEvil | OK ATDT*99***1# |
| 23:17.50 | SpeedEvil | or similar? |
| 23:17.59 | SpeedEvil | the first one - turn the modem on - may be optional |
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| 23:18.28 | SpeedEvil | the cgatt apparantly should always be needed, and is sometimes not. |
| 23:18.50 | SpeedEvil | For some reason, it did work for some time without for me. |
| 23:19.34 | nbd | jseghers: dialer didn't die when i tested it |
| 23:20.28 | cw666 | modem is on, i made a call to make sure it was and nw was happy |
| 23:20.46 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: the problem i have *now* (not before) is ERROR from the at+cgdcont=1 ... command |
| 23:20.49 | cw666 | im not sure why i get that |
| 23:21.01 | cw666 | some sort of confusion wrt to the gsmd/gprs muxing magic? |
| 23:21.36 | SpeedEvil | you can't put my string in verbatim |
| 23:21.51 | SpeedEvil | you eneed to set it up for your provider |
| 23:22.07 | SpeedEvil | I had a problem that mine was missing hte cgatt line - so failed |
| 23:22.15 | SpeedEvil | randomly, after working for a while. |
| 23:22.23 | cw666 | right, but was working before ... and now it's not :-) |
| 23:22.33 | cw666 | and it's not clear what value(s) will work |
| 23:22.56 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, the cgd* line sets up the GRPS session parameters |
| 23:23.03 | SpeedEvil | and then cgatt sets one of them |
| 23:23.32 | SpeedEvil | try doing it manually. |
| 23:23.52 | cw666 | ok, i have a session now |
| 23:24.03 | cw666 | but no IP connectivity |
| 23:24.13 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 23:26.42 | jseghers | nbd: thanks... at the moment I'm trying to figure out why my change to my local.conf file isn't switching the priority and having it build the original version... I have an overlay that includes a version of the dialer... I had the BBFILES_PRIORITY variables set to have my version have priority, with prioriities of 5 and 10, 10 being mine. Then I changed them to 5 and 1 respectively. Yet, bitbake is still insisting on building my version :( |
| 23:28.00 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: could you show me your gprs peer file maybe? |
| 23:30.37 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/gprs.tar.gz |
| 23:30.50 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile-uk |
| 23:31.12 | SpeedEvil | Not polished, just works for me |
| 23:31.38 | cw666 | ok, something weird is up here |
| 23:31.46 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: does it work for you when gsmd is up? |
| 23:31.50 | cw666 | or only when it's gone? |
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| 23:34.24 | SpeedEvil | missed my startup script that kills it. |
| 23:34.34 | SpeedEvil | stty pass8 /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 23:34.44 | SpeedEvil | also may be needed if pppd complains of 7 bit |
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| 23:35.35 | cw666 | ok, so right now there is no mux support for gprs w/ gsmd then i take it? |
| 23:36.13 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 23:36.21 | SpeedEvil | Coming soon - apparently. |
| 23:36.35 | SpeedEvil | Laforge is working on it. |
| 23:36.40 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the same "comming soon" which has been applied to GTA02? |
| 23:37.49 | SpeedEvil | Dunno. |
| 23:38.20 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: ok, you chose 160.218.160.218 just randomly? |
| 23:38.22 | *** join/#openmoko shackan (n=frob@host169-139-dynamic.7-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 23:39.31 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 23:39.33 | SpeedEvil | hangon |
| 23:41.02 | SpeedEvil | I'm not exactly sure where that came from. |
| 23:41.34 | cw666 | ok, so for you magically know the far end ... or at least one that workd |
| 23:41.40 | cw666 | i wonder if there is some way for me to find it? |
| 23:41.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[SettingsGUI]] [[User:Alessandro]] [[Other_OSes]] [[FreeBSD]] [[OpenMoko:Community_Portal]] |
| 23:42.06 | SpeedEvil | I think it's simply picked up from an earlier script. |
| 23:42.27 | SpeedEvil | It would cost me 14p. |
| 23:44.11 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.com/m162a2c3 is the result of the script |
| 23:44.19 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: I see you are changing the crash course on the wiki... take a look at the talk page, I changed some things on the local overlay setup for 2007.2 |
| 23:47.50 | cw666 | SpeedEvil: ok, i'll have to ponder this a bit, i wonder if there are some hardcoded magic values i need.... |
| 23:47.52 | jseghers | cesarb: I'm working with a local overlay...and your page there was quite useful for getting my dialer to overlay the official one...but then I tried to go back, and changed the BBFILE_PRIORITY_local variable to a smaller number... and it just kept building mine. The only way I was able to get it to build the official version was to rename my .bb file... |
| 23:47.55 | SpeedEvil | cw666: with it omitted, it also complains it cannot find remote address. |
| 23:47.58 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 23:48.01 | cw666 | anyhow, must get the kid |
| 23:48.13 | SpeedEvil | If there is a route, and a nameserver file, it still works |
| 23:48.32 | SpeedEvil | ppp0 Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol |
| 23:48.32 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:51.25 | cesarb | jseghers: if both files have the same version, the priority should chose which one will be built; I have no idea what happens when the priority and version point in different directions |
| 23:52.15 | cesarb | jseghers: I would simply remove the file (moving it to somewhere else to keep a copy) to get back to the official version, instead of playing with the priorities... |
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| 23:53.31 | jseghers | cesarb: it probably has something to do with the versions then...though they seem to be the same. I'll just do it by renaming then. Thanks |
| 23:53.36 | wirelessdreamer | has anyone here used a device with a Telit GE864 gprs module in it? |
| 23:53.36 | aloril | wirelessdreamer: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 23:53.38 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: does the PPP part of GPRS go all the way to the base or just to the modem? if it goes only to the modem, there's no need; if it goes all the way to the base, it probably was not implemented |
| 23:54.06 | cesarb | jseghers: did you see I updated my page on local overlays for 2007.2 a few days ago? |
| 23:54.46 | jseghers | cesarb: yes, I was searching today and ran across it via google :) |
| 23:55.19 | cesarb | google. |
| 23:55.25 | SpeedEvil | I'm not completely sure of the over-the-air protocol. |
| 23:56.02 | cesarb | (in fact, I didn't even expect it to be already spidered by googlebot) |
| 23:57.26 | jseghers | cesarb: google "bitbake overlay" |
