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| 00:01.24 | riot | is a call to matchbox-keyboard-remote.c |
| 00:02.12 | riot | (and the OM-keyboard is seriously broken in landscape mode..) |
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| 00:08.33 | riot | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.55 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 00:19.34 | riot | geez. |
| 00:19.44 | riot | anyone been playing video on the neo? |
| 00:21.51 | don-o | riot: its very dated by now but mokoninka has a youtube video of Mickey trying to play an episode of Battlestar on the P1 |
| 00:22.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 763 has been created by <autobuild-report> |
| 00:22.02 | cdbot2 | * * uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-r14_3e66c078003607a7d1d214c15a5f262bc1b4032f_0_2834-do_compile |
| 00:22.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=763 |
| 00:23.24 | riot | don-o: yeah, i just saw that... didn't look god. |
| 00:23.25 | riot | +o |
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| 00:24.43 | riot | don-o: and its not that dated.. two months old. |
| 00:25.20 | riot | now well, i didn't expect full screen movie from my vcr, which is a 500 mhz via c3 |
| 00:25.29 | riot | (but it does that quite well) |
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| 00:32.52 | cheriff | does anyone know how I might find the proper timings to run the LCD at 240x320? I have the LCM in QVGA mode but there are artifacts due to bad timings from the s3c2410 controller ... |
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| 00:43.16 | SpeedEvil | how did you put it in that mode? |
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| 00:45.35 | cheriff | SpeedEvil: Stefan Schmidt has some patches to drivers/spi/jbt6k74.c which add support. However at the moment they are a compile-time option |
| 00:45.53 | cheriff | (http://people.openmoko.org/stefan/patches/LCM-QVGA/ ) |
| 00:46.04 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:46.33 | cheriff | they are a little old, and dont all apply cleanly.. but those that fail are trivial enough to merge by hand |
| 00:48.05 | cheriff | we have a little demo, of which about half the screen is mpeg playback and it struggles slightly at full VGA. Not sure if bus or cpu bound yet but QVGA plays much better |
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| 01:01.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Oslo]] [[Neo1973_and_Windows]] |
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| 01:32.02 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2836 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: fix cosmetic issue leading to compilation problems |
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| 01:43.54 | abraxa_ | Does anyone happen to know where I can submit .bb recipes for inclusion in the tree? Do I file a bug with the .bb files attached on the oe bugzilla? Or the openmoko one? Or how else do I go about it? |
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| 01:50.44 | roh | abraxa_ depends if its more openmoko or more openembedded. but attaching patches to bugzilla entries is always a good idea |
| 01:51.05 | roh | there should also be the possibility to tag a bug as feature improvement |
| 01:54.51 | abraxa_ | roh: Well, it's two recipes: one for UriParser, one for libSpiff (XSPF playlist reference implementation) - I would assume that they might be of greater interest than just OpenMoko |
| 01:58.47 | rwhitby | roh: who is meant to be looking at openmoko-dialer bug reports? |
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| 01:59.13 | cesarb | abraxa_: no matter which bugzilla you used, they would end up in openembedded, so that's not an issue |
| 01:59.31 | rwhitby | (I have three reports, with two patches enclosed, which should make GSM calls work for many more people than they currently do, but no-one seems to be interested) |
| 01:59.42 | abraxa_ | cesarb: Ah okay, thanks |
| 01:59.53 | hads | rwhitby: It was only yesterday they were posted wasn't it? |
| 01:59.55 | cesarb | abraxa_: but since they did not originate with openmoko, if the change is not openmoko-specific (for instance, to fix a bug which appeared only on neo so far), you should send them directly upstream (i.e. openembedded) |
| 02:00.29 | rwhitby | hads: yes, but for a critical issue like actually getting the phone to work, I would have expected at least an ack by now. |
| 02:00.34 | abraxa_ | cesarb: Yeah, it's not directly OpenMoko related, so I'll do that. Thanks =) |
| 02:00.39 | cesarb | rwhitby: commitlog says it's njp |
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| 02:01.22 | cesarb | rwhitby: and the last commit by him on commitlog is 2007-08-23 |
| 02:01.33 | hads | rwhitby: Fair enough, I'm used to things being slow moving :) |
| 02:02.54 | rwhitby | hads: I'm used to projects that want community input and patches from community developers to at least respond to fixes for critical issues with a "got it, will look at it" within 24 hours :-) |
| 02:03.21 | roh | rwhitby i think alphaone was working on the dialer, but i am not 100% certain who else. |
| 02:03.56 | roh | rwhitby propably all of them? |
| 02:04.05 | jadams | rwhitby: I can't do it from any image I know of, but I can get it going out of boot in five minutes from a fresh install |
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| 02:04.26 | rwhitby | jadams: do you have a pin on your sim or not? |
| 02:04.27 | roh | nothing which makes me wonder or shiver. |
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| 02:04.58 | cesarb | rwhitby: said projects don't have developers doing all the logistics... |
| 02:05.48 | rwhitby | cesarb: yeah, I realise the current situation, that's why I'm looking for the name of the person to ping directly, rather than wasting everyone's time by complaining on a mailing list :-) |
| 02:07.03 | roh | *sigh* alphaone is volunteer at the german thw (dunno how its called in english) and they had a lot of work to do after these stormy days.. pumping out cellars and stuff i think |
| 02:07.04 | rwhitby | jadams: I have a theory (after looking at openmoko-dialer code for the last two nights after work) that it probably works for people who need to type in a sim pin (assuming their gsmd comes up cleanly), but probably doesn't work for people who don't have a pin on the sim, due to a timing issue. |
| 02:07.31 | cesarb | rwhitby: makes sense |
| 02:07.50 | cjb | ooh. |
| 02:07.53 | cesarb | rwhitby: not only the PIM isn't enabled on mine, it's also the well-known default PIM for Claro |
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| 02:08.06 | jadams | rwhitby: I have no SIM |
| 02:08.27 | jadams | but I know of two things to get it to work...one being stop/start in my matchbox session |
| 02:08.35 | cesarb | rwhitby: my Razr fails at changing it (the long sequence of **something*something*something*** needed to change it is prematurely terminated), and I'm no longer as paranoid, so I don't care anymore |
| 02:08.40 | jadams | and the other being in the logs from yesterday somewhere, but sounded more appropriate :) |
| 02:09.01 | rwhitby | roh: thanks for the info - that's what I was looking for - some indication of whether I should ping directly or not. if the person responsible is busy doing other things then I won't bother them until they get back on line. |
| 02:09.16 | cesarb | jadams: you know, the empty SIM holder also needs no password ;-) (just try to register to the network and you'll see) |
| 02:09.47 | jadams | cesarb: huh? |
| 02:09.49 | rwhitby | jadams: how are you making a call five minutes after boot with no SIM ? |
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| 02:09.59 | jadams | rwhitby: with a SIM, just no PIN |
| 02:10.01 | jadams | I can't type |
| 02:10.02 | jadams | :) |
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| 02:10.43 | rwhitby | jadams: and your phone reliably registers with the network on every boot? |
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| 02:11.57 | rwhitby | roh: don't get me wrong - i'm not complaining about the response time - I just want to make sure that the person looking after the openmoko-dialer code doesn't need to wade through hundreds of outstanding bug reports to find the one I entered which has a patch to fix it |
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| 02:12.16 | cesarb | rwhitby: I'll take a bath right now, and later will add your patches to my overlay tree and see what happens with them |
| 02:12.56 | roh | rwhitby that should not be a problem. if you find multiple bugs which should be one just say so and we tag the dups |
| 02:13.01 | jadams | rwhitby: yup |
| 02:13.20 | jadams | rwhitby: of coure, my SIM's never in it these days because I keep it in my real phone in case...someone...wants to call |
| 02:13.28 | jadams | since incoming calls don't register for me most of the time |
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| 02:15.08 | hads | If I restart gsmd in the matchbox session I can mak a call (I have no SIM pin). |
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| 02:17.21 | Writchie | roh: looking at the RNDIS code, it looks like there are module options that are not provided which may be why garbage is sent to windows |
| 02:17.26 | jadams | umm |
| 02:17.30 | jadams | the sd card got wiped |
| 02:17.34 | jadams | I don't know how that happened |
| 02:17.45 | jadams | but I had a pygtk app I was writing on the phone that I hadn't backed up on the laptop yet |
| 02:17.48 | jadams | sigh |
| 02:17.55 | jadams | I didn't delete shit...my sd just got wiped |
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| 02:18.18 | jadams | hrm |
| 02:18.24 | jadams | nm, seems to just not read the card right now |
| 02:18.47 | ccube | morning |
| 02:20.55 | jadams | morning ccube, somewhere :) |
| 02:21.18 | ccube | :) |
| 02:21.32 | jadams | ahh, amsterdam? |
| 02:22.07 | ccube | what time do u have? |
| 02:22.52 | jadams | 9:22 PM |
| 02:22.54 | jadams | CST |
| 02:23.04 | jadams | GMT-6/DST |
| 02:24.07 | ccube | uii, nice |
| 02:24.07 | ccube | <-- 04:23 AM |
| 02:24.07 | ccube | :( |
| 02:24.07 | ccube | *tired* |
| 02:24.12 | cesarb | jadams: you can always use PhotoRec if the worst happens with the data on your SD card |
| 02:24.39 | cesarb | wow, just got a CSQ of 23... beating my previous record of 24 |
| 02:29.06 | jadams | hrm...doing an ipkg update, and: |
| 02:29.07 | jadams | Configuring task-openmoko-pim |
| 02:29.07 | jadams | Configuring task-openmoko-ui |
| 02:29.07 | jadams | ldconfig: /usr/lib/libcurl.so.4 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start. |
| 02:30.08 | SpeedEvil | that can be FS corruption |
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| 02:30.45 | SpeedEvil | if you write too much to the card too fast, it wedges |
| 02:30.49 | SpeedEvil | and needs a reboot |
| 02:30.59 | SpeedEvil | the data isn't actually always lost. |
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| 02:35.50 | jadams | http://pastebin.com/m3d23bf1 |
| 02:36.53 | jadams | system.conf is a directory |
| 02:37.05 | cesarb | rwhitby: damn, the patch had rejects |
| 02:37.20 | cesarb | rwhitby: due to some evil whitespace probably |
| 02:38.10 | Aria | browser cut and paste is that exact kind of evil |
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| 02:38.30 | cesarb | Aria: no, it's the WHITESPACE that's evil |
| 02:38.37 | rwhitby | cesarb: there is a raw view which you can wget |
| 02:38.38 | cesarb | Aria: four whitespaces in an otherwise blank line |
| 02:38.42 | cesarb | Aria: aka trailing whitespace |
| 02:39.00 | cesarb | Aria: trailing whitespace in C source is ALWAYS evil. No exceptions. |
| 02:39.16 | rwhitby | cesarb: I didn't do a patch for the doubling the timeout bug |
| 02:39.29 | Aria | Well, that too. But browser cut and paste doesn't help. |
| 02:39.37 | cesarb | rwhitby: I'm trying the first one only |
| 02:39.47 | cesarb | rwhitby: since I have a hunch it'll be enough |
| 02:39.56 | cesarb | rwhitby: if not, well, it's a useful data point ;-) |
| 02:40.07 | rwhitby | cesarb: I needed to double the timeout between antenna power on and first +COPS |
| 02:40.30 | rwhitby | if COPS got sent before gsmd reported power on, then nothing following would work properly |
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| 02:42.43 | cesarb | rwhitby: the patch is still failing with rejects for me in the places where there is evil trailing whitespace |
| 02:42.56 | cesarb | rwhitby: I think it wasn't my copy-paste which ate them, but pastebin itself |
| 02:43.06 | cesarb | rwhitby: can you attach it to the bugzilla report instead? |
| 02:43.19 | jadams | mmm...running a 'resize image' on a phone feels good :) |
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| 02:48.18 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r154 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/ (libmokogsmd.patch openmoko-dialer.patch): Checked in the patches that I have submitted to bugzilla, so others can test them directly |
| 02:48.32 | rwhitby | cesarb: grab them directly |
| 02:51.39 | pjz | augh, why is mtn sooooo slooooow |
| 02:53.25 | mwester | mtn encrypts the data, loses the key, and then resorts to a brute-force attack to decrypt the data when you need it -- nothing else can explain why it takes so much raw CPU with so relativly-little data. At least that's my theory ;-) |
| 02:53.31 | defer_ | because it sucks, should have used git |
| 02:54.27 | pjz | defer_: I agree |
| 02:54.43 | cesarb | rwhitby: the patch applied fine, compiling right now |
| 02:55.16 | pjz | I'm waiting for the git guys to write git-mtn |
| 02:55.25 | pjz | at which point mtn will be _over_ |
| 02:55.55 | cesarb | pjz: the same way SVN clobbered CVS? |
| 02:56.12 | defer_ | more like the same way git clobbered svn but some people didn't notice :) |
| 02:56.29 | cesarb | defer_: nah, SVN has one special feature which git doesn't |
| 02:56.33 | defer_ | git-svn <3 |
| 02:56.36 | cesarb | defer_: if works better on Windows. |
| 02:56.49 | pjz | defer_: exactly |
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| 02:57.00 | pjz | cesarb: not really |
| 02:57.03 | mwester | everything works better on Windows! |
| 02:57.06 | pjz | cesarb: I think they fixed that |
| 02:57.08 | arw_ | see you people |
| 02:57.17 | defer_ | git doesn't run on windows |
| 02:57.22 | defer_ | the official one at least |
| 02:57.24 | mwester | See? |
| 02:57.30 | cesarb | pjz: wake me when we see (urgh)explorer(urgh) integration like tortoise coes |
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| 02:57.37 | defer_ | only on cygwin and there is a port afaik but it's not that good |
| 02:57.38 | mwester | Visual SourceSafe! |
| 02:58.14 | pjz | I think there's a pure java git implementation |
| 02:58.18 | pjz | wonder how it works on winblows |
| 02:58.33 | cesarb | pjz: java... and git? |
| 02:58.41 | pjz | cesarb: oh ick, gui's get your fingers all sticky |
| 02:58.48 | pjz | cesarb: nah |
| 02:58.57 | rwhitby | would java git be as slow as mtn ? |
| 02:59.06 | defer_ | no |
| 02:59.10 | defer_ | nothing is a slow as mtn |
| 02:59.18 | cesarb | pjz: when I had to use windows, I used svn command line, but for some random reason everyone else used tortoisesvn |
| 02:59.34 | defer_ | and java is not _that_ slow it's actually quite fast once the vm is setup |
| 02:59.40 | cesarb | pjz: fortunately, that has ended, and now I'm on my prefered kubuntu desktop |
| 02:59.58 | pjz | hrm, looks like java git may have died |
| 03:00.05 | rwhitby | the fact is that git is technically superior to most (if not all) other SCMs, but decisions are not made on a technical basis alone. |
| 03:00.12 | cesarb | defer_: can NIO do mmap? If not, there's no way Java can beat C for git |
| 03:00.25 | defer_ | i didn't say it could beat it |
| 03:00.26 | rwhitby | (although at this point, I see no reason why OE couldn't move to git) |
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| 03:00.47 | SpeedEvil | On power use. Been playing with mp3 decoding with backlight off and playing with the clock speed and CPU voltage. |
| 03:00.51 | SpeedEvil | Oddly - once CPU voltage is decreased below 1.5V, audio goes away - which is annoying. |
| 03:00.53 | cesarb | pjz: look what you started ;-) |
| 03:00.55 | SpeedEvil | The CPU itself - at 100Mhz - seems stable to 1.2ish |
| 03:00.57 | SpeedEvil | At 1.5V core - mp3 decoding used 1/2 CPU, and about 170mA (not playing loudly) |
| 03:00.59 | SpeedEvil | Or around 7 hours mp3 |
| 03:01.18 | pjz | cesarb: squeaky wheel gets the grease :) |
| 03:01.53 | pjz | cesarb: doesn't have to beat it if it ends up more portable |
| 03:02.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Edmonton]] |
| 03:02.12 | cesarb | pjz: for some reason, any mention of any SCM on this channel causes a sudden burst of flames |
| 03:02.34 | pjz | cesarb: what flames? I don't see many, other than a general dissatisfaction with the speed of mtn |
| 03:02.51 | cesarb | pjz: because any mention of any SCM will end up with people mentioning "mtn" and how it's slow and then the same arguments about all the popular SCMs are rehashed again |
| 03:03.26 | pjz | clearly someone who knows how needs to mirror OE's mtn into git. And rwhitby could then make mokomakefile use the (faster) git repo to pull from |
| 03:03.40 | pjz | cesarb: bah, those aren't flames, they're just a little smoke :) |
| 03:03.46 | rwhitby | pjz: that would work for me |
| 03:03.47 | cesarb | (the discussion cycle seems to always be any SCM->mtn->git->svn) |
| 03:04.02 | roh | cesarb hopefully thats will get less as soon as we have our own mtn mirror. |
| 03:04.18 | pjz | dude, bandwidth is SO not the problem |
| 03:04.33 | pjz | I'm pulling peanuts for bandwidth but 100% cpu |
| 03:04.38 | cesarb | agree with pjz, bandwidth is not the issue... |
| 03:04.46 | pjz | while mtn sits and does... something. I'm not sure what. |
| 03:04.53 | cesarb | (might be latency perhaps for me, no other way it would be THAT slow) |
| 03:05.15 | defer_ | did anyone check the mtn sources for sleep(random()) ? |
| 03:05.23 | rwhitby | cesarb: it's slow even when you have client and server on the same physical machine |
| 03:05.27 | cesarb | s/pegged)/pegged/ |
| 03:05.32 | cesarb | rwhitby: wow |
| 03:05.42 | pjz | cesarb: I've got little telltales on my status bar |
| 03:05.45 | cesarb | rwhitby: btw, booting the neo right now |
| 03:06.14 | defer_ | cesarb: are you on 2.6.23? |
| 03:06.19 | pjz | cesarb: originally so I could tell when firefox had decided to eat my machine (usually courtesy of a mess of javascript or flash) |
| 03:06.28 | cesarb | defer_: no, still 2.6.20-16-generic |
| 03:06.32 | rwhitby | cesarb: can you modify /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm to log X11 output to /tmp/x11.log so you can see the status messages I got the dialer to print? |
| 03:06.46 | defer_ | oh, thought you were using the new scheduler |
| 03:06.54 | cesarb | rwhitby: I didn't apply the message silencing patch... just the other one |
| 03:07.30 | rwhitby | nod |
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| 03:08.50 | cesarb | rwhitby: this time, a single AT+COPS=0 after the AT+CFUN=1, and then silence (instead of the endless loop) |
| 03:09.17 | jadams | urk |
| 03:09.18 | jadams | gunzip: Invalid magic |
| 03:09.21 | jadams | from the neo |
| 03:09.25 | jadams | anyone used gunzip on it yet? |
| 03:09.54 | rwhitby | cesarb: does the COPS come before or after gsmd says that power up has succeeded? |
| 03:09.58 | SpeedEvil | hexdump -C zip.zip|head |
| 03:10.03 | SpeedEvil | is it a real zip2A/ |
| 03:10.34 | rwhitby | cesarb: can you pastebin the gsm.log ? |
| 03:10.56 | cesarb | rwhitby: for some annoying reason, this damn log always get truncated in the beginning |
| 03:11.26 | jadams | SpeedEvil: ehh, bingo, corrupt download |
| 03:11.38 | cesarb | hm, it's only less(1) which is broken, nm |
| 03:12.14 | cesarb | wtf, busybox's POS head(1) doesn't accept +n and -n? |
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| 03:13.16 | cesarb | rwhitby: I will have to poweroff and power on again, since I restarted gsmd which overwrote the log file instead of appending to it |
| 03:15.06 | cesarb | rwhitby: mine has 64MB :( |
| 03:15.11 | rwhitby | cesarb: do the x11.log at the same time |
| 03:16.02 | cesarb | rwhitby: that will have to wait the next boot, for obvious reasons ;-) (I will modify it this boot, but we will only see the results next one) |
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| 03:18.23 | cesarb | rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/673067 |
| 03:19.43 | rwhitby | gsmd should say something about power-up between the CFUN and COPS |
| 03:20.40 | cesarb | rwhitby: it does, after about a second or two, when I do it manually ('O' on libgsmd-tool -m shell) |
| 03:20.49 | pjz | rwhitby: philosophical difference as to whether the OS should be on removable media or not |
| 03:21.15 | pjz | stupidly, I might add. |
| 03:21.21 | cesarb | pjz: a hard-disk drive is removable too |
| 03:21.54 | pjz | cesarb: not the way an (micro)SD card is |
| 03:22.07 | pjz | perhaps 'hotplug' is what I'm looking for |
| 03:22.11 | cesarb | rwhitby: if I type 'O' and then 'r' too fast on libgsmd-tool -m shell, it gets stuck too... if I wait a bit between the 'O' and the 'r', it works as expected |
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| 03:22.25 | cesarb | pjz: perhaps what you are looking for is "surprise removal"? |
| 03:22.28 | mwester | Ultimately there should be two general configurations available: one all on internal flash, for those who wish to swap cards with their multimedia data files, the other for those who wish a semi-permanent larger filesystem. |
| 03:22.37 | rwhitby | cesarb: right - that's why I changed GSM_REGISTER_TIMEOUT in moko-dialer.c from 5 to 10 |
| 03:23.03 | cesarb | pjz: (the annoying situation when the OS isn't getting warned that the user is going to remove the USB drive like RIGHT NOW) |
| 03:23.17 | rwhitby | (that's not in the patch yet, cause it's not the right solution but just a work-around that works) |
| 03:23.35 | pjz | cesarb: sure, but also just: I want to switch out one USB full of music for another. If the base OS is on that same drive... uh... hrm |
| 03:23.51 | cesarb | rwhitby: is that seconds or miliseconds? |
| 03:23.54 | pjz | cesarb: reboot the phone just to switch what albums I'm listening to? ick |
| 03:24.18 | rwhitby | cesarb: 5000 to 10000 |
| 03:24.21 | Aria | That's awesome. |
| 03:24.40 | mwester | Good - that means it's working! |
| 03:24.43 | rwhitby | TimRiker: no rootfs on developer units |
| 03:24.53 | cesarb | TimRiker: did you read the wiki page pointed to by the "coaster" which came with it? |
| 03:25.01 | rwhitby | "some assembly required" :-) |
| 03:25.07 | pjz | rwhitby: that sounds like a good plan. but heck, I'd even go for software eject (though I'd want a uboot hack to force it if necessary!) |
| 03:25.07 | TimRiker | cesarb: eep. not yet, no. :) |
| 03:25.17 | cesarb | TimRiker: go read it, it tells you the next step |
| 03:25.30 | mwester | You just need to flash a kernel and a filesystem - pretty easy. |
| 03:25.33 | rwhitby | TimRiker: it's a cunning trick to make sure that every new user knows how to run dfu-util |
| 03:25.34 | cesarb | TimRiker: which would be to flash the 2007.2 snapshot kernel and rootfs |
| 03:26.08 | cesarb | rwhitby: I will try with the SIM to see what happens |
| 03:26.19 | cesarb | rwhitby: or is there any test you want me to try first? |
| 03:26.37 | rwhitby | cesarb: recompile moko-dialer with the doubled timeout |
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| 03:26.57 | rwhitby | that log shows that the registration state patch is working correctly |
| 03:27.29 | rwhitby | (i.e. it is waiting patiently, instead of saying "are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet, ..." |
| 03:32.01 | cesarb | Changed the value to 10000 |
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| 03:37.33 | doc|home | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/clips/fun-with-the-iphones-accelerometer-293969.php |
| 03:41.02 | cesarb | TimRiker: btw -- welcome to the Club ;-) |
| 03:43.18 | cesarb | rwhitby: it's misbehaving exactly the same way, only twice as slow |
| 03:43.37 | rwhitby | cesarb: are you restarting gsmd in /etc/matchbox/session? |
| 03:43.42 | cesarb | rwhitby: nope |
| 03:43.44 | rwhitby | (I had to do that too) |
| 03:43.52 | cesarb | rwhitby: unless upstream decided to do that |
| 03:43.58 | rwhitby | nope |
| 03:44.59 | cesarb | perhaps it should avoid sending the CFUN before the acks from all the other commands have been received... |
| 03:45.24 | rwhitby | cesarb: that's what I suggest in the bug report |
| 03:45.27 | raster | no fun allowed around here! |
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| 03:49.12 | cesarb | rwhitby: cool, I didn't know the signal meter on the status bar actually worked |
| 03:49.56 | rwhitby | cesarb: pastebin the log first |
| 03:51.10 | cesarb | rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/673091 |
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| 03:52.06 | rwhitby | cesarb: looks good |
| 03:52.12 | rwhitby | bbiab (lunch) |
| 03:52.24 | TimRiker | cesarb: thx! :) downloading and flashing still. |
| 03:53.21 | rwhitby | TimRiker: welcome, and thanks for your irc bot work in the past |
| 03:54.48 | mwester | Ah - *that* TimRiker! |
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| 03:57.07 | cesarb | great, now with the SIM I get the annoying "stuck at ATZ" again :( |
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| 03:59.38 | cesarb | which only seems to be fixed with echo 0 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on and waiting a few seconds |
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| 04:02.59 | cheriff | Hi, I see the spi driver in use is the gpio bitbanging one. why is the on-chip SPI controller bypassed? |
| 04:03.44 | cesarb | rwhitby: I had to echo 0, wait, echo 1, wait, and then start gsmd... looks like starting gsmd too soon with a SIM is also not good |
| 04:05.57 | cesarb | And it *vibrates*... no ring tone (but then, the neo doesn't seem to emit any sound at all... only the mic gets to work... looks like I have to play with the sound subsystem next) |
| 04:14.29 | rwhitby | cesarb: so my patches improve your phone registration reliability |
| 04:14.30 | rwhitby | ? |
| 04:14.48 | roh | TimRiker hi there.. youre the guy who sold the tuxscreen phones once? |
| 04:15.11 | cesarb | rwhitby: dunno... since it only changed when I added it to the session file, after the patches had already been applied |
| 04:15.50 | cesarb | rwhitby: and, with the SIM, it's still as flaky as it was before (even when doing things by hand, so your patch doesn't make a difference since the connection to gsmd was broken by me killing it) |
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| 04:19.03 | cibomahto | roh: Hi, i recompiled openmoko using gcc 4.1.2 (unfortunately not 4.2) as was suggested, but this did not solve the qtopia build error I was stuck on. Another user (Eric Johnson) suggested which file to modify in the bug report (#747), and I created a small patch to implement this. Thanks for the suggestions yesterday! |
| 04:19.54 | rwhitby | cesarb: my patch is only for the infinite cops problem |
| 04:20.26 | roh | cibomahto strange... but good it works now ;) |
| 04:20.39 | cesarb | rwhitby: well, it doesn't make much difference even then, since it only converts an "infinite +COPS=0" into a "stuck +COPS=0" |
| 04:20.47 | cibomahto | roh: yeah, now on to more interesting problems :-) |
| 04:21.14 | rwhitby | cesarb: right, but it goes back to infinite if you don;t have the patch but do restart gsmd |
| 04:21.33 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.47 | cesarb | rwhitby: well, it's late here (13 hours difference, right?), so I'm going to sleep... see you tomorrow |
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| 04:24.32 | rwhitby | cesarb: thx for testing it |
| 04:25.50 | cesarb | rwhitby: I hope we manage to find something which makes it work, reliably... having a unstable gsmd, on a phone, when the IM is broken so you can't even fix it easily with the terminal, is not a good thing |
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| 05:00.24 | blindcoder | moin |
| 05:09.57 | gcb77 | Is there a way from the terminal to "Swap Orientation"? |
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| 05:25.06 | happycube | weird... my new qemu's touchscreen is screwed up |
| 05:25.48 | rwhitby | happycube: 90 degrees rotation - it's affecting everyone |
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| 05:47.57 | TimRiker | so I flashed my new neo. how do I suspend/resume it? |
| 05:48.16 | TimRiker | or is there no suspend? |
| 05:48.53 | TimRiker | also, how does one type at the terminal? |
| 05:49.17 | mwester | Only rudimentary power management -- hold the power button in while it's booted to get to the menu. If you're not careful, you'll run the battery flat, and it's a pain to get it back from that. |
| 05:50.21 | mwester | Start the input manager for the on-screen keyboard, under the "all" category in the application selection (don't pick the one in "utilities" it'll fire up a calculator instead). |
| 05:50.51 | mwester | A little white box will appear on the top of the screen, touch it when you are in the terminal emulator and the on-screen keyboard wil appear. |
| 05:57.20 | TimRiker | is there a way to scroll through the applications in "all" ? |
| 05:57.25 | rwhitby | TimRiker: best advice is to leave it running and plugged into USB charging, and use ssh over usbnet for everything |
| 05:57.32 | TimRiker | I do get a keyboard to search. |
| 05:57.43 | TimRiker | rwhitby: heh. not much of a phone that way. :) |
| 05:57.52 | rwhitby | TimRiker: that's the current state. |
| 05:58.14 | TimRiker | yeah. it's not like I was planning to use it as my current phone yet. :) |
| 05:58.25 | rwhitby | flick the scrolling with your finger |
| 05:58.31 | rwhitby | just like the iphone |
| 05:59.42 | TimRiker | ahh! I was trying down instead of up. :) |
| 06:00.44 | CM | Where do you change orientation? |
| 06:00.58 | TimRiker | hold the power button till you get a menu. |
| 06:01.30 | CM | Heh, ok. Haven't tried that yet |
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| 06:04.20 | TimRiker | what |
| 06:04.41 | TimRiker | what's the bottom right icon on the input kbd? looks like a box with a line through it. |
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| 06:06.53 | CM | I haven't been able to figure that one out either |
| 06:07.25 | CM | TimRiker: Have you seen that you can change to another keyboard if you press the right side of the white box in the menubar? |
| 06:07.51 | TimRiker | is there a touch screen calibrator? mine is a bit off. |
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| 06:08.34 | abraxa_ | TimRiker: SSH into the Neo - the touchscreen utils start with ts_ |
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| 06:08.44 | abraxa_ | The calibration tool is among them |
| 06:10.43 | gcb77 | TimRiker: xtscal will calibrate and save the settings |
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| 06:12.10 | TimRiker | thx! that did it. |
| 06:12.33 | TimRiker | too many games in the menu. |
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| 06:19.53 | TimRiker | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Input_Method has more info but does not mention the "box with a line" key. |
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| 06:25.35 | TimRiker | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E48%AD |
| 06:25.57 | TimRiker | ~x jp en ä¸ |
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| 06:32.47 | CM | TimRiker: Asked a friend who knows japanese about that box with a line over. He pointed me here: http://www.saiga-jp.com/cgi-bin/dic.cgi?m=search&sc=0&f=0&j=naka&g=&e=&s=&rt=0&start=1&sid=1188282694_84806 |
| 06:33.05 | CM | I guess the meaning on the keyboard is "an abbreviation of China" |
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| 06:36.23 | cayco_ | hi! can anyone help how to register to network? http://pastebin.ca/673184 |
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| 06:36.39 | cayco_ | it worked for me on 2007.1 but on 2007.2 it does not |
| 06:37.54 | rwhitby | cayco_: pastebin /tmp/gsm.log |
| 06:38.47 | polz | cayco_: after you've restarted gsmd, try simply running the dialer |
| 06:39.09 | polz | cayco_: /etc/init.d/gsmd stop |
| 06:39.11 | polz | cayco_: /etc/init.d/gsmd start |
| 06:39.18 | polz | and then just click to the dialer |
| 06:39.22 | TimRiker | great... I have the wrong kernel.... |
| 06:39.25 | polz | it should ask you for the pin |
| 06:39.45 | cayco_ | rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/673185 |
| 06:39.47 | TimRiker | ~x zh en ä¸ |
| 06:40.00 | cayco_ | polz: i try that |
| 06:40.25 | rwhitby | cayco_: yep, gsm module didn't power up correctly - do what polz says, but put it in the /etc/matchbox/session file at the start |
| 06:41.09 | TimRiker | CM: ahh. makes sense then. there will be a chinese input screen presumably |
| 06:41.18 | CM | I guess so :) |
| 06:41.28 | TimRiker | ~x en zh China |
| 06:41.49 | TimRiker | ~x en jp China |
| 06:42.03 | TimRiker | easier to read than those. :) |
| 06:42.15 | cayco_ | rwhitby: polz, OK it's reboot time ;) |
| 06:42.40 | CM | TimRiker: I can only see ? here in putty (at work..) |
| 06:43.11 | cayco_ | rwhitby: just to make sure, where do you see line that says my gsm module did not power up properly? |
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| 06:44.31 | rwhitby | cayco_: there was no CFUN or COPS in your gsm.log |
| 06:44.47 | TimRiker | I really, really wish that the kernel, splash and rootfs were all one partition. |
| 06:45.01 | rwhitby | could be the gsm module or it could be gsmd - I dunno where the real problem is |
| 06:45.18 | rwhitby | TimRiker: "make flash-neo-official" :-) |
| 06:45.37 | TimRiker | rwhitby: that's not the point. |
| 06:45.37 | rwhitby | or flash-neo-local if you've built your own |
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| 06:45.55 | rwhitby | yeah, I know - the different things getting out of sync |
| 06:45.59 | rwhitby | we've got the same problem in nslu2-linux |
| 06:46.04 | TimRiker | I just grabbed what I thought was a matching kernel and rootfs only to find that it's not. |
| 06:46.11 | cheriff | i like that they're not.. can load a new kernel into ram over dfu, but still have it use flash as rootfs |
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| 06:46.33 | TimRiker | on many other embedded systems I've setup, I used one partition for all of them. |
| 06:47.00 | rwhitby | TimRiker: perhaps the rootfs should have the kernel version embedded in the name, or at least have some version number which is common to both. |
| 06:47.02 | cheriff | thats painful for kernel development :) |
| 06:47.07 | TimRiker | this allows you to have multiple kernels and module sets when you want, as well as offering easy complete upgrades. |
| 06:47.23 | TimRiker | cheriff: no. it's not. it's _great_ for kernel development. |
| 06:47.31 | TimRiker | that's why I do it. |
| 06:47.50 | CM | But what if you want to keep the settings you have in the rootfs? |
| 06:48.04 | cheriff | sounds like having to reload all of kernel+rootfs each time you do a recompile? |
| 06:48.18 | TimRiker | CM: then scp over a new kernel. and leave the rootfs. |
| 06:48.23 | Kero | it's jffs2, you don't have to recreate an image if you change a little bit? |
| 06:48.32 | cayco_ | rwhitby: it does not work eiteher. gsmd.log looks the same. what could i do next? |
| 06:48.39 | TimRiker | cheriff: no. they are just files in the fs. copy over a new one or two or three. |
| 06:48.41 | CM | TimRiker: That sounds good to me :) |
| 06:49.10 | TimRiker | Kero: if you replace the fs, then yes. if you just copy over a file, then no. |
| 06:49.14 | rwhitby | TimRiker: that requires u-boot support for reading the kernel from a jffs2 filesystem |
| 06:49.17 | cheriff | TimRiker: ok.. i dont flash each build, dfu-load until done, then flash that one |
| 06:49.31 | TimRiker | rwhitby: exactly. which it should already have. |
| 06:49.32 | Kero | rwhitby: ipaq bootloader could do that in the end :) |
| 06:49.49 | rwhitby | TimRiker: I agree, but I haven't seen that in the neo u-boot |
| 06:50.02 | TimRiker | I've got many a u-boot version around that support reading from jffs2 on nand. |
| 06:50.19 | rwhitby | sounds like you've just volunteered then :-) |
| 06:50.58 | TimRiker | heh. perhaps. I'm so swamped right now, that I don't have the time for it, but I may sometime soon. |
| 06:51.27 | rwhitby | TimRiker: or at least on the mailing list point someone else to the code |
| 06:52.02 | TimRiker | rwhitby: k. I know that patches have been submitted to u-boot at least 4 years ago. I have not really looked to see if they made it in. |
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| 06:53.00 | rwhitby | cayco_: no AT+CFUN line in your gsm.log ? |
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| 06:53.56 | cayco_ | rwhitby: grep CFUN /tmp/gsm.log |
| 06:53.57 | cayco_ | says nothing |
| 06:54.17 | rwhitby | you've got a more fundamental problem then. |
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| 06:55.05 | cayco_ | rwhitby: i gues, I'm using image build on 24.08 (using mokomakefile). what image is proven to work recently? |
| 06:55.33 | rwhitby | cayco_: as far as I know, there is no image in which the gsm registration works reliably |
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| 06:55.58 | cayco_ | rwhitby: scheisse ;) |
| 06:56.15 | cayco_ | rwhitby: do you have any fauvorite? ;) |
| 06:56.20 | TimRiker | hey! use the right kernel and you get a bootup sound. :) |
| 06:56.38 | rwhitby | cayco_: I'm currently using 2007.08 ipkg upgraded |
| 06:57.21 | rwhitby | + gsmd restart in matchbox session + moko-dialer power-on to registration timeout doubled + my gsm registration state machine patch |
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| 06:59.41 | cayco_ | rwhitby: thx for helping... Although to me such failures in base functionalities actually stop me from working on the phone. I would like to have at least reliably working gsmd. life is brutal ;) |
| 07:00.14 | rwhitby | cayco_: you're preaching to the choir there ... |
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| 07:01.23 | TimRiker | keyboards are hurting. I get 2 or 3 sometimes, thy processes don't get reaped, etc. |
| 07:01.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Development_resources]] |
| 07:01.30 | TimRiker | s/thy/the/ |
| 07:01.48 | mdt | what does ipkg want me to tell with 'Multiple packages (dbus-dev and dbus-dev) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest.'? |
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| 07:04.09 | TimRiker | ahh. it's mbinputmgr. it allows starting multiples, and it does not reap its children. |
| 07:08.38 | hhf423_w | moin |
| 07:10.15 | CM | TimRiker: Yes, that must be a bug. It's a pain to kill the keyboards once you've accidently started too many |
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| 07:16.37 | hhf423_w | hmmm, a fresh image here: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/?C=M;O=D but there were no commits in the commit ml, so can there be updates at all? |
| 07:22.53 | geaaru | hi at all, only one information.... when is released new openmoko with wifi? thanks in advance |
| 07:23.18 | CM | geaaru: That's not known yet |
| 07:23.32 | geaaru | :'( ok thanks |
| 07:23.45 | CM | I hope before christmas |
| 07:23.59 | geaaru | great! :) |
| 07:24.12 | geaaru | i hope too |
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| 07:25.06 | CM | I'm sure there will be some official announcement, you can subscribe to the mailinglist for that |
| 07:25.32 | CM | geaaru: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/announce |
| 07:27.48 | geaaru | ok i will do :) thank you very much |
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| 07:28.08 | CM | geaaru: :) |
| 07:28.28 | hhf423_w | CM: I actually tried to subscribe to that mailing list trice now with no luck |
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| 07:28.47 | CM | hhf423_w: Oh, that sucks. Any bug filed? |
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| 07:29.03 | hhf423_w | No, I can't be bothered |
| 07:29.10 | CM | ok |
| 07:29.12 | hhf423_w | I just read the archives |
| 07:29.40 | hhf423_w | geaaru: please sign up and let us know if you receive any kind of confirmation |
| 07:30.13 | hhf423_w | hmm, tonight Haralt fixed an other bug in u-boot |
| 07:30.31 | hhf423_w | looks like he is trying to avoid to work on important things |
| 07:30.41 | CM | I'll gamble a bit and try a new uboot soon.. |
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| 07:31.02 | CM | I don't have a debug board, but my current uboot is broken |
| 07:31.16 | hhf423_w | CM: what for? The August 19 uboot works good enough. No nand erase etc |
| 07:31.30 | CM | hhf423_w: I haven't tried that one |
| 07:31.49 | geaaru | hhf423_w: works for me |
| 07:32.02 | CM | hhf423_w: I flashed with the august 7 or 8, since that was new when I got mine |
| 07:32.32 | rwhitby | hhf423_w: the nslu2-linux autobuilder just builds continuously, so there will be at least one new image per day even if there are no changes |
| 07:32.32 | CM | hhf423_w: But it's broken. Every time I flash, my uboot_env (mtdblock1) is overwritten with parts of the kernel |
| 07:32.55 | hhf423_w | CM: well, the august 18 or 19 version in the 2007.08 directory fixed the on bug that was really annoying where you would need to nand erase before flashing |
| 07:33.08 | CM | hhf423_w: Thanks a lot |
| 07:33.15 | hhf423_w | rwhitby: ah, thanks |
| 07:33.16 | CM | hhf423_w: I'll give that one a try |
| 07:33.31 | hhf423_w | CM: do that; I have no issues since I flashed that |
| 07:33.37 | CM | :-) |
| 07:33.53 | hhf423_w | geaaru: what did work, the signing up on the webpage or did you actually get an email? |
| 07:34.02 | rwhitby | hhf423_w: re: Harald fixing bugs in u-boot - I suspect he is now focused on GTA02 |
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| 07:34.29 | geaaru | i received confirmation email and i had accept registration |
| 07:34.39 | CM | rwhitby: I'm glad he gets to do that, instead of ordering routers and building networks at the office |
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| 07:34.47 | rwhitby | CM: amen |
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| 07:35.45 | hhf423_w | rwhitby: that would be an explanation. I'd rather have someone focused on gsmd though :-) |
| 07:36.15 | hhf423_w | CM: hahaha, yes, if you see it like that, him working on anything which is OpenMoko code related is an improvement, I agree |
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| 07:38.54 | ScaredyCat | *blink* |
| 07:39.22 | CM | ScaredyCat: /nick SleepyCat ;) |
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| 07:40.06 | ScaredyCat | I am awake now :) |
| 07:40.17 | ScaredyCat | just |
| 07:40.27 | ScaredyCat | morning... :) |
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| 07:45.10 | hhf423_w | mroning ScaredyCat |
| 07:45.17 | hhf423_w | morning that is |
| 07:52.22 | ScaredyCat | woohoo!! |
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| 07:52.50 | ScaredyCat | powered up neo to demonstrate it... gsm reg'd at boot, no messing dialed fine... |
| 07:52.59 | ScaredyCat | no audio though :(: |
| 07:56.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 764 has been created by hndispatch-hhf423(AT)yahoo.de |
| 07:56.01 | cdbot2 | * * initiating a PAN using pand gets "Permission denied (13)" |
| 07:56.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=764 |
| 07:56.30 | hhf423_w | ScaredyCat: no audio. how irritating. |
| 07:56.55 | ScaredyCat | yah :/ |
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| 07:57.26 | ScaredyCat | still, I showed em monked islans and they nearly shat themselves with joy :) |
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| 07:57.41 | ScaredyCat | monkey island |
| 07:57.47 | hhf423_w | hahaha |
| 07:57.51 | hhf423_w | who was that? |
| 07:58.23 | hhf423_w | I now basically always have audio if it asks me for PIN |
| 07:58.31 | ScaredyCat | nice.. |
| 07:58.47 | ScaredyCat | I suppose I could flash oneof my recent images :) |
| 07:59.02 | hhf423_w | that might help :-) |
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| 08:00.47 | ScaredyCat | I need to start building without that annoying boot sound though... |
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| 08:04.28 | hads | There's a post on planet how to fix it |
| 08:04.43 | CathodioN | hey all |
| 08:05.01 | CathodioN | any news on the status of gpslib? |
| 08:05.55 | hads | Haven't heard any. |
| 08:06.42 | CM | I wonder about that too. Been very quiet since 2007.2 came out |
| 08:07.32 | CathodioN | I'm running the project "Visual GPS", but it seams we can't write a client yet because of the status of gpslib |
| 08:08.12 | CM | CathodioN: Oh, interesting :) |
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| 08:09.38 | roh | CathodioN write it with whatever gps dongle you want. your app should use libgps which connects to a standard gpsd anyways |
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| 08:12.42 | CathodioN | Yeah i know. But is the gpslib api done already? |
| 08:13.08 | CathodioN | can't find it |
| 08:13.27 | mjr | the usual gpsd will supposedly be used |
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| 08:16.49 | roh | CathodioN http://gpsd.berlios.de/libgps.html |
| 08:16.57 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: you should just ipkg upgrade from your own built feed |
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| 08:17.38 | ScaredyCat | indeed :D |
| 08:17.44 | ScaredyCat | errm |
| 08:17.51 | ScaredyCat | indeed rwhitby :D |
| 08:18.22 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, :) |
| 08:18.41 | CathodioN | right, i thought gpslib whould wrap up gpsd |
| 08:19.19 | CathodioN | the openmoko architectural overview suggests that |
| 08:21.25 | CathodioN | roh: thanks about that link |
| 08:22.01 | CathodioN | i missed the point that libgps is a part of gpsd package. That's why i was so confused. |
| 08:22.31 | CathodioN | But i get it now. Good news. Means we can start writing. |
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| 08:28.43 | jeddy3 | http://www.os2world.com/content/view/14868/1/ ...not fun reading :S |
| 08:32.13 | CathodioN | sigh |
| 08:32.34 | florian | hi all |
| 08:32.41 | CathodioN | sometimes i think about working for the government to talk some sense in those ppl |
| 08:33.05 | jeddy3 | CathodioN, indeed |
| 08:33.27 | CathodioN | hey florian |
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| 08:38.33 | CM | jeddy3: That sucks |
| 08:40.35 | jeddy3 | CM, läsarstorm på idg om det nu :P |
| 08:40.49 | CM | Kan tänka mig det ;) |
| 08:42.37 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r2837 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Fixed some build issues |
| 08:43.18 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2838 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (3 files): |
| 08:43.18 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * implement gps and gsm power switching for GTA02 |
| 08:43.18 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * move udc_disconnect() call into usb driver, not gta01 core patch (which is applied before usb driver) |
| 09:01.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ/ru]] [[Talk:FAQ/ru]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Bucharest]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Bucharest]] [[Manually_using_Bluetooth]] [[Development_resources]] |
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| 09:29.28 | torpor | hiya folks. |
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| 09:30.19 | jgm | Is there a log of this channel that is more searchable than rikers one-file-per-day setup? |
| 09:30.27 | torpor | keep your own |
| 09:30.55 | jgm | I did but that was on my old machine and I didn't pull it over, so looking for an online one |
| 09:33.19 | FuzzyCat | jgm, yes |
| 09:33.49 | ScaredyCat | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openmoko/ |
| 09:35.50 | CM | jgm: I have a log since novermber last year as a textfile |
| 09:36.47 | hads | Which you could make easily with those files from that link too. |
| 09:38.36 | jgm | Pah, found what I was after but the link has expired - my fault for attempting to be kind to pastebin |
| 09:39.01 | jgm | Thanks for the help though guys |
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| 09:40.16 | jeddy3 | the messageease input method looks REALLY nice |
| 09:40.29 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 09:40.57 | jeddy3 | CM, :D |
| 09:41.53 | jeddy3 | http://www.exideas.com/ME/faq.html ...linked from some input discussion on ML...found a video also: http://youtube.com/watch?v=zFf9Mw3nlsY |
| 09:43.32 | jeddy3 | how is virtual keyboard implemented on moko, a borderless arbitrary X application? |
| 09:44.42 | CM | jeddy3: The video was really nicely done |
| 09:44.49 | jeddy3 | nod |
| 09:45.05 | CM | I still want to see HexInput though.. :-D |
| 09:45.20 | jeddy3 | yes hexinput is also very nice! |
| 09:45.41 | jeddy3 | we need more of those implemented! :) |
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| 09:46.37 | CM | Oh yes.. Hmm.. I've never worked with anything like that, but maybe it's worth a try :) |
| 09:52.08 | torpor | /clear/clear |
| 09:52.36 | zash_se | always-on-top window that refuses focus and passes keypress-events to focused-app.. or something |
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| 10:03.35 | hads | That MessageEase stuff does look pretty cool. It's patented of course but I don't know how that effects things. |
| 10:04.04 | FuzzyCat | badly |
| 10:04.34 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2839 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 10:04.34 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-28 Neil Jagdish Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 10:04.34 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Patch by: Rod Whitby <rod@whitby.id.au> |
| 10:04.34 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_pin_entry), |
| 10:04.34 | CIA-20 | openmoko: (on_network_registered), (register_network_cb), (moko_dialer_init): |
| 10:04.38 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Ammend registering functions to respond correctly to the gsmd searching |
| 10:04.40 | CIA-20 | openmoko: event. |
| 10:06.08 | hads | FuzzyCat: I suspected as much. |
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| 10:08.43 | hads | Of course it doesn't stop people implementing it for themselves, same as T9 |
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| 10:11.41 | zash_se | someone should do to t9 what dvorak did to keyboards |
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| 10:15.12 | jeddy3 | we should have a easy way of implementing/switching input methods (scripting or somewhat), it's up to everyone themselves if they would want to download a messageease-alike theme for inputmanager ;) |
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| 10:19.23 | hads | Indeed, that's a good idea. An easy way to add plugins or whatever you want to call them to the input manager since patented stuff won't be able to be distributed. |
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| 10:20.25 | rwhitby | njpatel: thx for applying my patches |
| 10:23.28 | njpatel | rwhitby: np, the gsmd timing is a pain sometimes |
| 10:24.23 | rwhitby | njpatel: is anyone looking at why most people need to restart gsmd in /etc/matchbox/session for anything to work ? |
| 10:25.08 | njpatel | rwhitby: I think there will be some more work done on gsmd soon |
| 10:26.42 | rwhitby | XorA: yep, just remove them from OE |
| 10:28.00 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r155 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openmoko-HEAD/openmoko-dialer.patch: Applied upstream |
| 10:29.09 | rwhitby | XorA: I'll let you push that, I need to make some dinner. |
| 10:30.03 | XorA | rwhitby: ok, just waiting for the longer running thread to terminate before I restart |
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| 10:45.33 | woglinde | hi mickeyl |
| 10:45.49 | stefan_schmidt | wb mickeyl |
| 10:46.57 | mickeyl | hi guys |
| 10:47.50 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: packed your stuff yet? :) |
| 10:48.17 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Will do tomorrow |
| 10:48.28 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Not much to do |
| 10:48.35 | mickeyl | rwhitby: i can't decide whether this was an innocent statement or rather sexist, but mighty cool ;) |
| 10:49.29 | rwhitby | He's DHL'ing it from Sydney to Adelaide - we'll hopfully do a one day turn-around. |
| 10:49.48 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: When was the train leaving from FFM on thursday? I need to search for one to catch the ICE in Hannover |
| 10:50.02 | mickeyl | rwhitby: ah :) |
| 10:50.19 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: 06:58 *yawn* |
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| 10:50.32 | mickeyl | ICE 676 |
| 10:50.51 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: thanks |
| 10:50.51 | rwhitby | mickeyl: if anyone else in Australia happens to brick their neo, feel free to direct them my way. I'm happy to unbrick anyone's as long as they pay the shipping both ways. |
| 10:51.15 | mickeyl | rwhitby: ok, thanks. will do. we need to seed out more debug boards all over the world ;) |
| 10:51.33 | ixs | mickeyl: suggestion for the next talk: repeat the question from the audience. It's difficult guessign the question when just having the answer. :-D |
| 10:51.51 | mickeyl | ixs: oh bummer. right. |
| 10:51.57 | rwhitby | it's even harder when you don't speak German ;-) |
| 10:51.59 | mickeyl | sorry bout that |
| 10:52.06 | mickeyl | is my froscon talk online somewhere? |
| 10:52.13 | rwhitby | we saw it live |
| 10:52.20 | mickeyl | ah, it was streamed :) |
| 10:52.44 | mickeyl | you know, i've been doing presentations since years now... and i always forget to repeat questions |
| 10:52.46 | mickeyl | *sigh* |
| 10:52.56 | ixs | mickeyl: *g* |
| 10:53.01 | rwhitby | well, I saw half of it - every couple of seconds some packets must have got dropped in the ocean somewhere. |
| 10:53.08 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 10:53.10 | mickeyl | wet packets |
| 10:53.23 | ixs | certainly shortened out some router. |
| 10:53.38 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: will you bring any EZX devices for us to hack on? |
| 10:53.53 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: i'd like to flash my 1200. it's bricked anyway |
| 10:54.00 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: A780 and ROKR E2 |
| 10:54.08 | mickeyl | cool |
| 10:54.16 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: With your A1200 that should be a good collection |
| 10:54.22 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 10:54.59 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2840 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/ (208 files in 5 dirs): * Add 32x32 and 48x48 versions of the GTK+ stock icons |
| 10:55.04 | stefan_schmidt | Not sure if I will be able to prepare the a780 with all the stuff needed for a phone call. Perhaps some nightshift... |
| 10:55.44 | mickeyl | well |
| 10:55.49 | mickeyl | we have time during the train |
| 10:55.53 | mickeyl | during the trip, even |
| 10:56.10 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Slides done? Or just use the froscon ones? |
| 10:56.35 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: i don't know yet. i have no idea what kind of audience is waiting for us |
| 10:56.45 | mickeyl | i doubt i need to tell them about open source on mobiles |
| 10:56.53 | mickeyl | so perhaps rather some more technical stuff about the framework |
| 10:56.56 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 10:56.59 | mickeyl | didn't make up my mind yet |
| 10:57.02 | CM | rwhitby: I'll try to update my uboot this evening, but if I brick it I don't think I'll sent it to Australia. ;) |
| 10:57.10 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Same problem here. |
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| 10:57.57 | rwhitby | CM: your choice - if it's prepaid both ways and a courier pickup from me, then I'm happy to devirginate for anyone |
| 10:58.46 | CM | Thanks, good to have that as an option at lest. :) |
| 10:59.03 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Are you sure about the time for the train? ICE 676 shows 06:42 from FFM at the bahn website |
| 11:01.59 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Sorry, my mistake. That was from the airport. 6:58 is fine from the main railway station |
| 11:02.46 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: when is this train in Hannover? |
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| 11:03.11 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: 9:17 |
| 11:06.27 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Means I have to leave my town at 7:40 with the train. Not much better then you even if I'm way more north then you. |
| 11:06.29 | rwhitby | mickeyl: for devirginator, it relies on having the lowlevel binary in the official snapshot directory. Could you put some in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08, even if they are just copied from 2007.04 ? |
| 11:06.56 | rwhitby | (it actually relies on stuff being in releases, but I'll change that to the 2007.08 snapshot) |
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| 11:12.30 | mickeyl | rwhitby: sure. i copied lowlevel-foo-gta01bv4-latest.bin to the images dir. |
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| 11:15.00 | jgm | rwhitby: Hey, I'm (finally) ready to test patching with the new makefile, just one question. Should I be creating patches starting in the openembedded directory or somewhere else? |
| 11:15.51 | rwhitby | jgm: you need to create a patch for openembedded, since the _svn .bb files go directly to the svn repo, rather than getting stuff from the hardly-used local checkout of the openmoko svn repo |
| 11:16.24 | rwhitby | so you need to engineer that a file gets created in the openembedded/packages/foo/files dir, and that the .bb file gets changed to include that patch in the SRC_URI |
| 11:16.43 | rwhitby | all of that has to go in a patch in openembedded-HEAD, with a series file to enable it. |
| 11:16.50 | rwhitby | mickeyl: thx |
| 11:17.53 | rwhitby | mickeyl: since all that we use from the openmoko svn local checkout is the trunk/src/host directory, should we just be checking that out instead of checking out the whole svn repo? |
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| 11:22.04 | hhf423_w | ScaredyCat: I seem to need to debug BT a bit, can you put bluez-hcidump into your repository? |
| 11:23.25 | mickeyl | rwhitby: yeah, i think that makes more sense |
| 11:23.55 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: did you see my proposal yesterday about an openmoko-packages.bb file that we use to keep community repos in sync with what they are building? |
| 11:26.36 | cesarb | rwhitby: I actually used the rest of the trunk/ directory for reading, while investigating how to fix ScaredyCat's neo... |
| 11:27.59 | jgm | rwhitby: what are you trying to match it with? |
| 11:28.23 | hhf423_w | FuzzyCat: I seem to need to debug BT a bit, can you put bluez-hcidump into your repository? |
| 11:32.47 | rwhitby | mickeyl: it needs to be lowlevel_foo, not lowlevel-foo. you gave it the wrong name when you copied it |
| 11:33.57 | cesarb | rwhitby: :) |
| 11:34.25 | FuzzyCat | hhf423_w, just in the middle of a build, will do right after that |
| 11:35.27 | hhf423_w | FuzzyCat: excellent, thanks! |
| 11:36.11 | rwhitby | FuzzyCat: did you see my proposal yesterday about an openmoko-packages.bb file that we use to keep community repos in sync with what they are building? |
| 11:36.50 | FuzzyCat | rwhitby, no.. I didn't see it... on ML ? |
| 11:37.00 | rwhitby | in IRC |
| 11:37.21 | rwhitby | the idea is to put a packages/meta/openmoko-packages.bb file in openembedded, and then when people request packages we just add it to that. |
| 11:37.35 | FuzzyCat | sounds like a good idea to mw :) |
| 11:37.36 | FuzzyCat | me |
| 11:37.47 | rwhitby | in that way we build up a list of packages that should be kept up to date in community repos. |
| 11:38.01 | FuzzyCat | yes... good good... I'm in |
| 11:39.04 | FuzzyCat | hhf423_w, built, just updating my package lists and then will push it up |
| 11:39.10 | mickeyl | rwhitby: hmm, bummer. i think it's called like that in OE. anyway, i'm renaming it |
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| 11:39.23 | jgm | Hmm... so I've added a bb file to openembedded/packages/openmoko-apps but do I need to put anything in a higher-level recipe? It looks like there is some magic going on there but not sure what... |
| 11:39.30 | FuzzyCat | openmoko-community-packages ? |
| 11:39.40 | mickeyl | rwhitby: done |
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| 11:39.49 | hhf423_w | FuzzyCat: that was fast! let me know when its up |
| 11:40.06 | rwhitby | mickeyl: looks like the actual file has an underscore in OE, but your -latest symlink has a hyphen |
| 11:40.11 | FuzzyCat | hhf423_w, I did it in parallel |
| 11:40.40 | FuzzyCat | hhf423_w, all done |
| 11:40.49 | cesarb | NOTE: package linux-gta01-2.6.22.5-moko11-r1: task do_fetch: failed |
| 11:40.50 | cesarb | urgh |
| 11:40.51 | hhf423_w | mickeyl: doy ou know btw if someone is working on gsmd? |
| 11:41.03 | hhf423_w | FuzzyCat: ok, let me try |
| 11:41.06 | cesarb | gateway timeout on the de kernel mirror site |
| 11:41.08 | rwhitby | mickeyl: shall I change OE to make the symlink with an underscore too? |
| 11:41.10 | mickeyl | rwhitby: i see |
| 11:41.16 | mickeyl | rwhitby: yes, please |
| 11:41.33 | mickeyl | hhf423_w: not really atm. |
| 11:42.04 | mickeyl | hhf423_w: laforge is going to do a major cleanup, but that's not today or tomorrow |
| 11:42.16 | hhf423_w | mickeyl: any specific reason? thats a key piece, no? |
| 11:42.24 | hhf423_w | laforge? |
| 11:42.25 | rwhitby | heh - devirginator can't handle the new '+' characters in file names |
| 11:43.09 | hhf423_w | mickeyl: we can see laforge working on uboot. why is uboot more important than gsmd, do you know? |
| 11:43.16 | FuzzyCat | rwhitby, are you building the .bb ? |
| 11:43.24 | FuzzyCat | how do we decide what goes in? |
| 11:43.29 | FuzzyCat | who decides? |
| 11:43.33 | hhf423_w | FuzzyCat: worked, thanks! |
| 11:43.35 | rwhitby | mickeyl: can you apply this patch to devirginator please: http://pastebin.ca/673411 |
| 11:43.36 | FuzzyCat | :D |
| 11:43.50 | rwhitby | FuzzyCat: any package that someone requests, and that builds, goes in it. |
| 11:43.50 | mickeyl | hhf423_w: yes i know. laforge is working on uboot because GTA02 has highest priority atm. |
| 11:44.28 | mickeyl | rwhitby: i can, what does it do?` |
| 11:44.42 | FuzzyCat | ok, sounds like a plan to me :D |
| 11:45.02 | hhf423_w | right, why fix an existing product when you can work on the next version. The company I work in also does that a lot. |
| 11:45.03 | rwhitby | it allows devirginator to understand that filenames can have '+' signs in them now when it tries to download them |
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| 11:45.27 | mickeyl | hhf423_w: you may want to see it like that... |
| 11:46.13 | CM | mickeyl: We're just happy that Haralds gets to work with the code and not ordering rouders and fixing the infrastructure :) |
| 11:46.29 | ixs | CM: *sigh* the right guy for the right job? |
| 11:46.31 | mickeyl | CM: you bet... that's better than him installing cables |
| 11:46.40 | CM | :) |
| 11:49.46 | cesarb | mickeyl: did he actually install cabling too? wow |
| 11:50.11 | mickeyl | cesarb: that was probably an exaggaration, but you got my point ;) |
| 11:51.45 | hhf423_w | I should probably report this as a bug in the priority scheduler of OpenMoko |
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| 11:52.09 | hhf423_w | as in Inc. not as in code |
| 11:52.20 | mickeyl | ya, do that |
| 11:52.26 | mickeyl | it's not like i like the situation |
| 11:52.33 | mickeyl | but i can't do anything about it |
| 11:53.55 | Writchie | morning all |
| 11:54.01 | mickeyl | yo Writchie |
| 11:54.40 | Writchie | i made a bit of progress with windows RNDIS last night - who is responsible for the USB gadget stuff in OM? |
| 11:54.59 | rwhitby | Writchie: cool - have you fixed the error 10 thing? |
| 11:55.21 | wibbit | Hello all |
| 11:55.36 | mickeyl | Writchie: please add to bugzilla and give a heads up @ the openmoko kernel mailing list |
| 11:55.46 | hhf423_w | mickeyl: I am not blaming you, I am just venting my frustration |
| 11:55.51 | wibbit | Quick question regarding the GPS stuff, I seem to remember an email on the mailing list, stating that OpenMoko is trying to licence so map data, has this moved forward at all? |
| 11:55.57 | hhf423_w | Writchie: yooo! |
| 11:55.59 | Writchie | it's actually looking like a config problem - missing parameters that are part of the descriptors |
| 11:56.30 | Writchie | the RNDIS gadget seems to be built into the kernel instead of a module |
| 11:56.36 | hhf423_w | wibbit: there was no update on that since that mail |
| 11:56.45 | mickeyl | hhf423_w: understood. it's a pity our low level expert has been dragged into too many things at once. trust me, i regularly pester him to donate time to gsmd. |
| 11:56.48 | wibbit | hhf423_w: okie, cheers |
| 11:57.00 | mickeyl | lunch time |
| 11:57.09 | hhf423_w | mickeyl: we can also send chockolade or whatever :-) |
| 11:57.18 | mickey|lunch | heh |
| 11:57.28 | mickey|lunch | cookies for gsmd |
| 11:57.35 | mickey|lunch | bbiab |
| 11:57.53 | ynezz | what's such a big problem with gsmd? |
| 11:58.09 | Writchie | anybody got an N770 or other device that works with RNDIS on windows XP? |
| 11:58.36 | ixs | ynezz: it simply does not work. :) |
| 11:59.10 | ynezz | can you be more specific? |
| 11:59.21 | ixs | ynezz: to be more specific: there are several problems: sometimes gsmd does not seem to correctly interpret a response from the modem, sometimes it's simply that the serial line to the modem seems to be dead. |
| 11:59.55 | ynezz | but you can debug that without harald, right? :p |
| 12:00.11 | ynezz | i know just about #666 which would need his attention |
| 12:00.55 | ixs | ynezz: #256 has been reopened. |
| 12:01.01 | rwhitby | ixs: the infinite COPS problem should be fixed now, since njpatel commited my patch |
| 12:01.09 | ynezz | 1ombug 256 |
| 12:01.13 | ynezz | ~ombug 256 |
| 12:01.19 | rwhitby | but I still need to restart gsmd in matchbox session to get it to work |
| 12:01.22 | jgm | rwhitby: Not sure if this is meant to be happening or not but when I 'quilt add' a file from the openembedded directory it adds 'openembedded' to the start of the path (see http://pastebin.ca/673426 for example). |
| 12:01.24 | ynezz | !ombug 256 |
| 12:01.25 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 256, Status: REOPENED, Created: Unknown |
| 12:01.25 | cdbot2 | * * philipp.zabel(AT)gmail.com: GSM Modem doesn't seem to work on some devices (no serial communication possible) |
| 12:01.26 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256 |
| 12:01.47 | jgm | If that's the way it is meant to happen then fine, just wanted to confirm |
| 12:01.49 | ynezz | don't seem to be neo related, or is it? |
| 12:01.58 | ixs | rwhitby: mhm. I could never really confirm that COPS problem on my device here. |
| 12:02.03 | rwhitby | jgm: you need to create a series file and run make setup to get it to symlink in |
| 12:02.14 | ixs | rwhitby: just doing a rebuild of the current devel tree, we'll see if something turns up. |
| 12:02.33 | jgm | ? No idea what that means :( |
| 12:02.46 | rwhitby | jgm: you should have an openembedded/patches symlink which points back to patches/openembedded-HEAD |
| 12:02.46 | ixs | ynezz: not neo related? huh? |
| 12:03.05 | ynezz | just misread it, sorry :) |
| 12:03.16 | jgm | I don't have that symlink, should it be there by default? |
| 12:03.23 | rwhitby | jgm: but that symlink only gets put in there by make setup if there is a series file in the patches dir |
| 12:03.40 | rwhitby | (since if it's there, then the whole timewasting revert stuff gets triggered) |
| 12:04.05 | rwhitby | so you need to touch the series file, then make setup, then do the quilt stuff after making sure the symlink has been put in place |
| 12:04.05 | jgm | Umm.. isn't that recursive? Or are you talking about a different patches dir in your second response? |
| 12:04.24 | rwhitby | both paths I gave you were from /home/moko level |
| 12:04.44 | jgm | Okay in that case I think it's not working, let me msg you to not pollute the channel... |
| 12:04.58 | rwhitby | jgm: did you touch the series file first and then run make setup? |
| 12:05.25 | rwhitby | touch patches/openembedded-HEAD/series ; make setup-openembedded |
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| 12:07.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 765 has been created by jluebbe(AT)lasnet.de |
| 12:07.01 | cdbot2 | * * Factory Reset writes wrong environment |
| 12:07.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=765 |
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| 12:22.56 | Writchie | Am I reading bug 765 right - Factory Reset = Make Brick? |
| 12:24.43 | alphaone | Writchie: No, you can still dfu-download a working environment to that partiton |
| 12:25.14 | XorA | maybe we should add a Make Brick option |
| 12:25.19 | alphaone | :-) |
| 12:25.32 | CM | Writchie: I just added a comment to that bug |
| 12:25.38 | alphaone | XorA: What's wrong with the bricking options we already have? |
| 12:25.38 | Writchie | alphaone: wihout a partition table? |
| 12:26.13 | alphaone | Writchie: The partitions seem to be there, they just don't have any names |
| 12:26.26 | alphaone | aka kernel, rootfs.. |
| 12:26.26 | Writchie | ok - that's a rlief |
| 12:26.34 | Writchie | s/rlief/relief/ |
| 12:27.02 | XorA | alphaone: they are obviously not explicit enough :-) |
| 12:28.20 | alphaone | ;-) |
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| 13:17.57 | telmich | moin moin |
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| 13:27.15 | telmich | hello kristian-m :-) |
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| 13:35.28 | cbrake | how do I get the on-screen keyboard when running the terminal? |
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| 13:40.50 | cbrake | kristian-m: thanks! |
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| 13:41.31 | cbrake | ohh good, neo comes with a default address for the usb network so I don't have to set it every time :-) |
| 13:41.56 | SpeedEvil | That would be painful on the terminal :) |
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| 13:52.29 | yoyo_ | hi |
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| 13:54.57 | hhf423_w | hmm, I now get "Connection refused(111)" when I want to do BT with my Windows XP |
| 13:55.16 | hhf423_w | according to hcidump, PSM is missing. whatever that is |
| 13:55.21 | yoyo_ | libgsmd from svn don't have install rule :/ |
| 13:55.24 | FuzzyCat | can someone explain why qt-x11-free is compiling ? |
| 13:56.07 | stefan_schmidt | yoyo_: Which bitbake version? |
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| 13:56.45 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: Because qmake is needed for webkit compile and this is not nicely separated in OE yet. Will come. |
| 13:56.47 | yoyo_ | stefan_schmidt: 1.8.8 |
| 13:56.52 | stefan_schmidt | yoyo_: hmm |
| 13:57.08 | FuzzyCat | stefan_schmidt, is this a new requirement? |
| 13:57.20 | yoyo_ | stefan_schmidt: it is more problem on source not on bitbake site |
| 13:57.47 | stefan_schmidt | yoyo_: It's not a problem with the svn but something strange in your oe build. I have seen this before, but only with 1.6.7 |
| 13:57.48 | yoyo_ | make file don't have a install rule |
| 13:58.06 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: Since we have the dep on webkit due to the feedreader |
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| 13:58.21 | FuzzyCat | stupid fecking requirements |
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| 13:58.52 | Writchie | hhf423_2: is your RFCOMM running? |
| 13:59.01 | FuzzyCat | so either rm_work isn't working or there;s more crap |
| 13:59.01 | stefan_schmidt | yoyo_: It is autotools based and have a rule. Something goes wrong during the build. Please try to coomplete remove the packages, sources, workdir and stamps and start again. |
| 13:59.20 | yoyo_ | I trayed |
| 13:59.36 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: rm_work works fine here. 1,9GB after a full build from scratch |
| 13:59.37 | yoyo_ | clean; build; the same |
| 13:59.58 | stefan_schmidt | yoyo_: You also removed the source tarballs by hand? |
| 14:00.05 | yoyo_ | si |
| 14:00.32 | FuzzyCat | stefan_schmidt, mine just grew by 4gig |
| 14:00.47 | stefan_schmidt | yoyo_: hmm, strange. Also the subfolder in sources/svn for libgsmd? |
| 14:00.48 | jgm | yoyo_: try rm build/tmp/stamps/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libgsmd* and then give it another shot |
| 14:01.29 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: During build or after completed build? |
| 14:01.53 | FuzzyCat | during the build |
| 14:02.08 | FuzzyCat | webkit seems to have built twice |
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| 14:02.11 | stefan_schmidt | jgm: That are the stamps I referred to. |
| 14:02.34 | yoyo_ | stefan_schmidt: the same; | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 14:02.41 | jgm | Yep just noted that sometimes make clean-package-* doesn't remove them for some reason |
| 14:02.58 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: It'S normal that it is that big during build. I mean, it can only delete the stuff once all rdeps are done. |
| 14:03.35 | yoyo_ | hahah the directory where it tray to make install is empty |
| 14:03.53 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: Hey, if you don't like this cool piece of code disable it for your build. You are free to do this |
| 14:04.19 | FuzzyCat | stefan_schmidt, I know.. I build all the time, the requiremnt seems to have grown by 4 gb - ie on top of the normal requirement |
| 14:04.35 | FuzzyCat | stefan_schmidt, it's not that cool... |
| 14:05.10 | FuzzyCat | and it's not really a core app either... |
| 14:05.16 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: I don't think so. I do a from scratch build every night and it always stays at 1.9GB after the build. |
| 14:05.21 | telmich | kristian-m: what do you think, would it make sense to try to port / run cinit on openmoko? |
| 14:05.36 | FuzzyCat | stefan_schmidt, you aren't reading what I'm typeing |
| 14:05.44 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: But the upcoming browser will also use webkit. And that is a core app. |
| 14:05.50 | FuzzyCat | i am NOT talking about AFTER the build |
| 14:05.55 | yoyo_ | stefan_schmidt: where can I put more then 10 lines of text ? |
| 14:06.02 | stefan_schmidt | ~pastebin |
| 14:06.03 | apt | well, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 14:06.35 | FuzzyCat | there should be no reason to compile qt just to get webkit donw |
| 14:06.37 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: If you can't life with a need of more then 4GB space during the build I can't help you. |
| 14:06.55 | FuzzyCat | again you're not actually reading what I type |
| 14:06.56 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: Send patches to separate qmake better from qt in OE. |
| 14:07.02 | yoyo_ | some ideas? http://www.pastebin.ca/673521 |
| 14:07.52 | stefan_schmidt | FuzzyCat: As you think I can't help you. I stop it. |
| 14:08.13 | FuzzyCat | no, I'll just remove feedreaderyes |
| 14:08.40 | FuzzyCat | fix the bug where some muppet uses 'sources' not source |
| 14:08.51 | stefan_schmidt | yoyo_: Exactly the same error I got once. But for me it only appeared with bitbake 1.6.6 so I never tracked this done. |
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| 14:10.00 | FuzzyCat | no wonder it's using all my disk space.. |
| 14:10.14 | stefan_schmidt | s/done/down/ |
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| 14:23.18 | PBeck | hi |
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| 14:23.49 | ixs | mhm, as an added observation: the buildtree for openmoko needs about 20GB now... |
| 14:23.52 | ixs | bit much maybe |
| 14:24.03 | ixs | and before todays update it worked with about 15GB |
| 14:24.06 | yoyo_ | hahha zombi day in uk :) http://www.ghost.pl/~woyteck/london-pics/2007.08.27-zombie-walk/p1010269.jpg |
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| 14:27.55 | Kero | ixs: a few more weeks and my 80 GB laptop drive won't cut it anymore... |
| 14:29.06 | CM | yoyo_: Reminded me of a slashdot sig I saw today: "Creationists are a lot like zombies. Slow, but powerful and numerous. And they all want to eat our brains." |
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| 14:35.21 | zash_se | what size is the torx-screws? |
| 14:35.58 | dcordes | hi |
| 14:36.59 | jeddy3 | zash_se, t40 |
| 14:37.25 | jeddy3 | zash_se, or what it's called...t6x40 maybe |
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| 14:37.53 | zash_se | mkay |
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| 14:40.34 | zash_se | t6 is more likley |
| 14:41.36 | ixs | t6 is it |
| 14:41.45 | ixs | the vendor supplied torx screwdriver is t6x50 |
| 14:42.02 | ixs | i'd like to see the mobile phone which uses t40 screws |
| 14:42.10 | zash_se | hehe |
| 14:42.11 | ixs | I'm sure it comes with it's own phonebooth attached. |
| 14:43.10 | zash_se | t6 seems common in phones |
| 14:43.43 | hozer | is anyone else using qemu with the usb gadgetfs and dummy_hcd kernel modules? |
| 14:45.08 | ynezz | ixs: do you have INHERIT += "rm_work" in your conf? |
| 14:45.38 | ynezz | or something similar, dunno if it's correct |
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| 14:46.13 | ixs | ynezz: noo, I left that out as I needed to do some after-compile checks. but that is okay for now. |
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| 15:00.38 | FuzzyCat | wb |
| 15:00.47 | FuzzyCat | errm |
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| 15:01.03 | FuzzyCat | wb |
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| 15:01.53 | FuzzyCat | rwhitby, did you have a list of community apps? |
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| 15:14.06 | FuzzyCat | wiki dead wiki dead |
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| 15:17.14 | cibomahto | buildhost seems dead as well |
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| 15:23.59 | mentax | hi all |
| 15:25.39 | mentax | how i may start gsmd? |
| 15:26.30 | LittleIdiot | /etc/init.d/gsmd start |
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| 15:26.56 | mentax | how flags i need yuse |
| 15:27.26 | LittleIdiot | err? |
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| 15:36.00 | torpor | yo |
| 15:41.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Bootloader]] [[FAQ/ru]] [[Current_events]] [[User:PiotrDuda_notes]] [[Wish_List_-_OpenMoko_Ringtones_and_Sounds]] |
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| 15:42.24 | FuzzyCat | buildseems farked again :/ |
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| 15:45.27 | torpor | FuzzyCat: what? |
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| 15:48.30 | FuzzyCat | just getting some errors when it's tryng to do the final build |
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| 15:58.06 | torpor | FuzzyCat: i'm mid-kernel rebuild, should i kill it now and update later? |
| 15:59.05 | FuzzyCat | no.. |
| 15:59.09 | FuzzyCat | don't kill it |
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| 16:00.43 | FuzzyCat | the problem is something to do with the final package building.. |
| 16:01.46 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/673633 <-- is the error |
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| 16:04.13 | FuzzyCat | I have no idea what builds the control.tar.gz .. or wtf an AR is |
| 16:04.28 | FuzzyCat | additional requirement? |
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| 16:10.28 | hhf423_w | great |
| 16:10.55 | hhf423_w | now Neo thinks my Windows does not have Bluetooth PSM: "Connection refused - PSM not supported" |
| 16:14.24 | jgm | Does anyone know what the failed sanity checks of form 'ERROR: QA issue: _gobject.la failed sanity test (reference to workdir or installed)' mean? |
| 16:14.55 | FuzzyCat | i get them a lot jgm ... |
| 16:15.08 | FuzzyCat | but they don't appear to be an issue |
| 16:15.17 | hhf423_w | Writchie: what has PAN todo with rfcomm? |
| 16:16.02 | jgm | Do they stop your packages from being included with the development image? |
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| 16:17.21 | FuzzyCat | don't think so, I get them on general builds. |
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| 16:20.02 | jgm | Hmm... so anyone here understand bitbake better than me? I have added a package to openembedded/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb and it builds but isn't in the development image |
| 16:21.26 | jgm | Okay different question: does anyone here understand bitbake at all? |
| 16:21.42 | FuzzyCat | i think a) you you should create a local part |
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| 16:22.04 | jgm | a) what does that mean? |
| 16:23.08 | FuzzyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course#Setting_Up_a_Local_Overlay |
| 16:23.48 | FuzzyCat | then when you build it overrides the standard oe 'openmoko-devel-image' |
| 16:24.03 | FuzzyCat | rather than your change getting blasted when you update etc |
| 16:24.19 | jgm | But I thought that was the point of using quilt and patches? |
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| 16:26.29 | FuzzyCat | the build system should not be a barrier to development |
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| 16:27.04 | jgm | Yep, and it's a massive one for people who don't already use OE |
| 16:27.26 | FuzzyCat | yup |
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| 16:31.43 | Writchie | hhf423: nothing - wasn't aware you trying to connect with PAN |
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| 16:43.27 | jadams | meep |
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| 16:54.01 | eggsy | FuzzyCat: I got the control.tar.gz errors when I ran out of disk space once. Then the pkg files were empty and python couldn't look inside. them. I edited ipkg.py to print out the filename and then rebuild those packages. Maybe the do_rootfs log file has a better log to tell you which package is screwed |
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| 17:30.45 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03chris * r2842 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Add new widget MokoSearchBar, bump version to 0.2.0 |
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| 17:40.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[FAQ/fr]] [[Manually_using_Bluetooth]] [[USB_Networking]] |
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| 17:41.58 | chx | heya |
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| 17:45.30 | jadams | anyone having problems with dbus on ipkg upgrade? |
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| 18:03.22 | Ghiottone | hello |
| 18:03.31 | pH5 | hi |
| 18:03.41 | Ophelia | hi |
| 18:04.02 | Ophelia | just a quick question |
| 18:04.24 | andylockran | Ophelia: shoot |
| 18:04.42 | Ophelia | can I run the develloper-image on linux natively or do I always need an emulator? |
| 18:04.48 | Ophelia | under linux |
| 18:04.54 | Aria | You need an emulator to run the |
| 18:05.03 | Aria | ARM binaries, but you can compile the apps natively and use them without |
| 18:05.37 | Ophelia | oh really? |
| 18:05.44 | Ophelia | ah, you mean because the apps are written for Linux |
| 18:05.55 | Ophelia | but won't they require proper hardware? |
| 18:05.57 | hozer | is anyone here actually using the emulator? |
| 18:07.16 | Aria | Right. |
| 18:07.21 | Aria | GTK+/X specifically |
| 18:07.49 | Ophelia | aha |
| 18:07.49 | Ophelia | ok |
| 18:07.49 | Ophelia | thanks |
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| 18:09.52 | gcb77 | hozer: I use the emulator for debugging and trying out apps |
| 18:10.18 | hozer | how do you ssh to it? |
| 18:10.58 | gcb77 | hozer: it depends on your host environment |
| 18:11.04 | gcb77 | Got to setup the modules |
| 18:11.13 | Ghiottone | is there a way to lower the size of the fonts? |
| 18:11.19 | hozer | I am starting to think that clicking does not work when qemu is run under vnc |
| 18:11.40 | hozer | gcb77: I am running debian etch, 2.6.18-4-k7 |
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| 18:12.05 | gcb77 | hozer: I don't think you'll be able to get SSH to the emulator working under that kernel version |
| 18:12.22 | gcb77 | You'll need at least 2.6.20 |
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| 18:12.28 | hozer | I built the gadgetfs and dummy_hcd modules |
| 18:12.33 | chx | does Openmoko provide some kind of 'input enabled zoom' -- some texts look very very tiny. |
| 18:12.34 | hozer | but they don't work all the way |
| 18:12.54 | gcb77 | hozer: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_Gadget_USB_Module |
| 18:13.32 | hozer | yeah, I get errors |
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| 18:14.27 | hozer | stuff like: gadget_read: event error: 4 |
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| 18:15.26 | jr0m | argh gsm..!! |
| 18:15.36 | hozer | -net nic -net user -redir :2022::22 from qemu does not seem to work either |
| 18:16.59 | gcb77 | hozer: yeah, that's not going to work... I don't think the drivers for that network card are part of the NEO kernel |
| 18:17.51 | gcb77 | There's always VMWare if you have a decent box |
| 18:18.06 | jseghers | Whenever I try to power up or down the antenna or ask it to register, I get the assertion 'priv->handle' failed |
| 18:18.12 | jseghers | Any idea why? |
| 18:18.43 | polz | can someone here tell me how to change the apps available under the "+" tab in Today ? |
| 18:18.51 | jseghers | I also get a "Waiting for registration" every few seconds. |
| 18:19.43 | Aria | polz: Add more .desktop files to the right directory. |
| 18:19.48 | Aria | polz: And note the category picker. |
| 18:21.41 | polz | Aria: which is the "right" directory ? |
| 18:22.43 | polz | /usr/share/applications ? |
| 18:22.50 | polz | nope, can't be it... |
| 18:22.58 | Aria | polz: probably that. I can't remember, but it's one with a bunch of other *.desktop files. |
| 18:23.02 | polz | I mean.. the categories don't seem to match |
| 18:23.03 | Aria | find / -name \*.desktop |
| 18:23.15 | polz | I've just tried that :) |
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| 18:23.44 | polz | but that menu shows waaaaay more games than there are .desktop files |
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| 18:32.45 | jr0m | on 2007.2 how do i bring up stylus/key input? |
| 18:33.06 | polz | jr0m: try starting the input manager |
| 18:33.14 | ferric | jr0m: utilities -> input mgr |
| 18:33.17 | polz | it's under utils |
| 18:33.35 | jr0m | yeah doesnt start...i will try to launch it ssh. hmmm |
| 18:33.58 | ferric | (i was having a lot of trouble even clicking on it, last time though) |
| 18:34.01 | polz | hmm.. I've just mentioned... |
| 18:34.14 | polz | mentioned -> noticed |
| 18:34.31 | polz | clicking on the entry just starts a random app |
| 18:34.39 | jr0m | it starts calculator for me |
| 18:34.55 | polz | it just started blackbox for me :) |
| 18:35.04 | Basheri | :D |
| 18:35.04 | polz | after first starting the calculator |
| 18:35.18 | jr0m | cool i am not crazy then |
| 18:35.30 | jr0m | i felt totally stupid for asking... |
| 18:35.30 | polz | btw, has anyone been able to receive calls yet ? |
| 18:36.41 | jr0m | ive not gotten calls to work well on a 2007.2 recipe yet |
| 18:38.17 | polz | you have to add |
| 18:38.28 | polz | /etc/init.d/gsmd stop |
| 18:38.30 | polz | /etc/init.d/gsmd start |
| 18:38.35 | Aria | polz: received one |
| 18:38.40 | polz | to your matchbox session file |
| 18:38.47 | polz | Aria: what did you do ? |
| 18:38.53 | Aria | restarted gsmd |
| 18:39.00 | Aria | Just Worked, once |
| 18:39.01 | Aria | then not |
| 18:39.06 | polz | I mean... for me, I get some sort of notification about an incoming call |
| 18:39.19 | polz | and when I click on the icon -> nothing |
| 18:39.28 | jr0m | yup worked one time then not. |
| 18:39.42 | polz | hmm... is it just me, or is gsmd reeeeeeeally buggy ? |
| 18:40.13 | polz | oh, and can anyone suggest a file manager for openmoko _ |
| 18:40.15 | polz | ? |
| 18:40.19 | woglinde | polz *g* gsmd |
| 18:40.27 | woglinde | terminal |
| 18:40.33 | polz | hehe |
| 18:40.34 | woglinde | is a good file browser |
| 18:40.37 | woglinde | ls and cd |
| 18:40.41 | woglinde | is all you need |
| 18:40.43 | jr0m | nog and find |
| 18:40.59 | polz | woglinde: yeah, that's really useful when you don't have a keyboard attached to the phone |
| 18:41.13 | jr0m | port thunar |
| 18:41.23 | polz | woglinde: I just love to peck on the keyboard, yep, that's real effective :> |
| 18:42.03 | polz | I sort of expected there would be someone working on it |
| 18:43.20 | woglinde | buy a bt keyboard |
| 18:43.23 | jgm | Does anyone know if/how openmoko knows which country it is in? I know that this may be a bit premature as GPS isn't working but I'm building a database of country/region dialing information and wondering if I should include the GSM country code as well... |
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| 18:43.50 | guaqua | it doesn't know |
| 18:43.59 | woglinde | jgm hm you can set the timezone |
| 18:44.02 | polz | woglinde: sure, it's way more handy to carry around a bt keyboard than it would be to just port or write a file manager. |
| 18:44.08 | guaqua | but you should be able to get the information from the network |
| 18:44.13 | jgm | woglinde: I meant in a dynamic way |
| 18:44.18 | guaqua | no idea, what at commands to do anyway |
| 18:44.32 | jgm | guaqua: yeah there is an AT command that I can dig out, just wondering if it was used anywhere yet |
| 18:44.49 | jgm | If not then I may as well add this stuff in, no idea if it'll be of use or not but better there rather than not |
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| 18:50.16 | Writchie | jgm: +COPS=? its encoded in the operator string |
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| 18:50.59 | jgm | Writchie: yep that's the GSM country code but is there anywhere in openmoko to translate that to more useful information e.g. the country? |
| 18:51.38 | guaqua | jgm: there is a list of all those |
| 18:51.47 | guaqua | you make up the algorithm :) |
| 18:52.27 | jgm | Yep that comes back to the DB holding this data for various other reasons, if there is nothing else doing it then I'll put it in here (and slap a D-Bus interface on it) |
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| 18:53.08 | guaqua | that sounds like an interface to geoclue |
| 18:53.19 | guaqua | you should do some research on it |
| 18:53.56 | jgm | Yeah was looking at geoclue but it seems very early. Was thinking that this would be a standalone app then can add a geoclue backend to query the db at a later date |
| 18:54.47 | jgm | (Although if we assume that GPS will be on all the time then this it makes far more sense to use that as a locator than the country code) |
| 18:55.14 | guaqua | not necessarily |
| 18:55.23 | guaqua | using the map might be resource intensive |
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| 18:57.18 | polz | how can I turn off the bipping I hear each time I touch the screen ? |
| 18:58.12 | folken | whats disappointing is that things seem to break more on every upgrade. |
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| 19:05.43 | jr0m | i still cant start the keyboard... |
| 19:06.33 | folken | Hmm.. why are my fonts now oversized since the last upgrade? |
| 19:06.49 | polz | jr0m: I've just added mbinputmgr to the session file |
| 19:06.49 | ixs | folken: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Q:_My_mrxvt_.28terminal.29_fonts_are_huge. |
| 19:07.01 | polz | sure, I no longer see the clock now, but it's worth it |
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| 19:08.39 | folken | ixs: its not just the terminal.. its also the clock, and the context menu from the gsm applet. |
| 19:08.51 | balthamaisteri | 7list |
| 19:08.54 | balthamaisteri | ... sry |
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| 19:09.40 | ixs | folken: mhm. clock in big fonts I had too in the past, was not reproducable after a reboot though. dunno what it was |
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| 19:10.29 | polz | what is the default gesture for a space in the stroke recognizer ? |
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| 19:11.11 | xkr47 | I guess a dash |
| 19:11.17 | xkr47 | or a low dash |
| 19:11.34 | xkr47 | or was that arrow right.. |
| 19:11.57 | polz | I must be doing something wrong, then |
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| 19:19.12 | folken | ixs: the font problem went away since the reboot. just like you said. |
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| 19:22.58 | ixs | FUCK! |
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| 19:23.05 | ixs | one dead battery coming up |
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| 19:23.46 | polz | ixs: ? |
| 19:24.18 | ixs | polz: neo, left over the weekend with a battery in there, been connected via usb to a computer now for >20h and still not powering on |
| 19:24.22 | ixs | swapped the battery, works. |
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| 19:26.04 | polz | ugh |
| 19:27.49 | ixs | polz: ack |
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| 19:31.02 | hhf423 | re |
| 19:33.17 | hhf423 | oh. wow, someone is working on interesting gui stuff: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=1 |
| 19:35.07 | ixs | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SettingsGUI |
| 19:35.37 | kristian-m | have fun :-) |
| 19:36.14 | kristian-m | actually you'll need some python stuff to get it working, if you can, i'd like to get feedback |
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| 19:37.11 | pH5 | hi kristian-m, did you get the icon theme problems sorted out |
| 19:38.01 | hhf423 | kristian-m: so i need to ipkg install python etc? |
| 19:38.02 | kristian-m | pH5 no, haven't worked on that yet - do wi still have it? |
| 19:38.13 | kristian-m | hhf423 yes |
| 19:38.30 | hhf423 | ok, let me try |
| 19:38.43 | kristian-m | hhf423 try without the -dev packages first, i'd lik to know if its working without them |
| 19:38.51 | hhf423 | and I almost though that there might be nothing to test today |
| 19:39.04 | hhf423 | sure |
| 19:41.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[SettingsGUI]] [[Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management]] [[Splash_screen]] |
| 19:43.43 | Basheri | hhf423: awesome, thx for the url |
| 19:45.06 | hhf423 | Basheri: aparently, you can try this out yourself: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SettingsGUI |
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| 19:45.43 | dcordes | pH5: you around? |
| 19:45.54 | hhf423 | kristian-m: by python, you mean python-core ? |
| 19:46.47 | hhf423 | Basheri: python is part of the ScaredyCat repository if you do not have a build environment |
| 19:48.00 | pH5 | dcordes: slightly |
| 19:48.36 | Basheri | hhf423: k, cool |
| 19:50.03 | kristian-m | hhf423 yes, though I thougth it would select that - do you have a conflict with python-curses? |
| 19:50.31 | hhf423 | kristian-m: yes, ipkg can not decide :-) |
| 19:50.49 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: Do you have a tarball with the icons rescaled for qvga? |
| 19:51.39 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: We asked the designer again and I like to prepare a proof of concept theme for qvga devices over the MDD conference next weekend. |
| 19:52.04 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: In the bugtracker I only found the theme files attached. |
| 19:52.16 | pH5 | stefan_schmidt: no time, have to hack htc herald ;) |
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| 19:52.27 | pH5 | stefan_schmidt: I can tar up the icon-theme images that I have resized |
| 19:52.41 | pH5 | but I didn't hunt around for icons in other packages (dialer, etc.) yet. |
| 19:52.57 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: (icons) Just send me what you have. Thanks. |
| 19:52.59 | folken | hmm is something wrong when the battery reports 4.0 Volts on a Voltmeter? |
| 19:53.17 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: (herald) Everything working already? *caught* |
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| 19:54.48 | MrKeuner | hi, does openmoko currently support voip? |
| 19:55.11 | polz | MrKeuner: not even close. |
| 19:55.29 | folken | MrKeuner: it barly makes gsm calls. |
| 19:55.36 | MrKeuner | does that mean that it won't |
| 19:55.36 | polz | MrKeuner: right now, GSM doesn't seem to work reliably yet |
| 19:55.57 | pH5 | stefan_schmidt: hehe. I don't even start into userspace yet. but I promise you'll be the first I call :) |
| 19:56.01 | folken | MrKeuner: but support shouldn't be too difficult. There is voip software in the repository. |
| 19:56.03 | polz | MrKeuner: it means it won't anytime soon (soon being weeks, not months) |
| 19:56.09 | folken | MrKeuner: the main problem is the gui. :) |
| 19:56.17 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: heh, cool |
| 19:56.24 | hhf423 | kristian-m: |
| 19:56.29 | hhf423 | root@fic-gta01:/tmp$ python SettingsGUI-0.4/SettingsGUI.py |
| 19:56.31 | hhf423 | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 19:56.32 | hhf423 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.34 | hhf423 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.35 | hhf423 | ImportError: No module named gtk |
| 19:56.44 | MrKeuner | polz: folken: cool, i can kinda wait |
| 19:56.53 | MrKeuner | polz: folken: I am no developer |
| 19:58.10 | kristian-m | hhf423 okay, so you'll need the -dev package then. I think this is a bug in the .bb file... :-( - watch your free flash space when installing... |
| 19:58.49 | guaqua | hhf423: kristian-m how responsive is the python program? |
| 19:59.03 | hhf423 | kristian-m: I am at %91 of / |
| 19:59.03 | guaqua | how long does it take to start? |
| 19:59.17 | hhf423 | guaqua: will tell you in a few min :-) |
| 19:59.48 | polz | MrKeuner: just don't hold your breath |
| 19:59.55 | MrKeuner | hehe ok |
| 20:00.16 | polz | hmm.. is ipkg supposed to handle dependancies ? |
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| 20:01.24 | hhf423 | kristian-m: still getting the same error |
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| 20:01.58 | kristian-m | guaqua it's well usable - just needs up to 5 secs to start |
| 20:02.13 | guaqua | okay |
| 20:02.18 | kristian-m | hhf423 hmm stange - its working for me with python-pygtk-dev installed |
| 20:02.23 | guaqua | so the startup time is the issue with python right now |
| 20:03.02 | hhf423 | guaqua: no, sorry, I still need to download some stuff before I can tell you |
| 20:03.04 | kristian-m | guaqua not really - it's just a bit slower then the C programs |
| 20:03.41 | guaqua | hmm |
| 20:03.43 | guaqua | interesting |
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| 20:04.11 | hhf423 | kristian-m: ok, I am getting a bazillion "no space of device" errors |
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| 20:05.10 | kristian-m | hhf423 had the same here - I moved /use/include to my sd-card for now and symlinked it back |
| 20:05.44 | guaqua | kristian-m: your app is a really nice demonstration of the power of python |
| 20:06.31 | kristian-m | guaqua yes, though it was strange to interface the c-librabry using a commandline tool |
| 20:06.40 | hhf423 | kristian-m: how exactly did you move that? |
| 20:06.41 | guaqua | :> |
| 20:07.16 | kristian-m | hhf423 mv /usr/include /media/card/include; ln -s /media/card/include /usr/include |
| 20:07.29 | kristian-m | hhf423 something like that |
| 20:07.33 | Ghiottone | hello hhf423 |
| 20:07.51 | hhf423 | hi Ghiottone |
| 20:08.54 | radiorental | Would anyone like to buy a neo1973? I got one but my circumstances have changed, or know of anyone who wants one? |
| 20:09.24 | hhf423 | radiorental: write a mail to the community mailing list |
| 20:09.37 | radiorental | cheers hhf423 |
| 20:09.38 | hhf423 | which country are you in? |
| 20:09.41 | radiorental | US |
| 20:09.48 | radiorental | but I will ship ww for free |
| 20:09.54 | Ghiottone | radiorental, last mail I read from the community was from a developer asking somone who did not used it to sell |
| 20:10.06 | radiorental | 300usd, hardly used, free shipping |
| 20:10.16 | radiorental | thanks folks |
| 20:10.21 | hhf423 | radiorental: it will be gone in a second, believe me |
| 20:10.34 | gcb77 | hhf423: what's the web broser shown at scap.linuxtogo.org? |
| 20:10.49 | TimRiker | are we supposed to be able to place and receive calls on the sp1? I've put in a t-mobile sim, but I can't seem to get the antenna icon to show anything other than a "?" |
| 20:11.16 | Ghiottone | midori? |
| 20:11.21 | radiorental | hhf423: thanks again |
| 20:11.31 | polz | gcb77: I haven't seen the screenshot but.. dillo ? |
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| 20:11.47 | hhf423 | radiorental: if its not gone within a day, come back here and we'll find someone for you :-) |
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| 20:11.58 | polz | TimRiker: restart gsmd |
| 20:12.04 | polz | TimRiker: and then start the Dialer |
| 20:12.08 | radiorental | (o; |
| 20:12.09 | hhf423 | gcb77: midori, you can find it in the ScaredyCat repository |
| 20:12.13 | polz | TimRiker: it should ask you for a pin |
| 20:12.25 | gcb77 | doh, got to configure net on my laptop!!!! |
| 20:13.32 | polz | gsm calls not working are a major problem... half of the questions posted here seem to have something to do with it :) |
| 20:14.43 | hhf423 | kristian-m: hmm, that got me 3% |
| 20:15.15 | xkr47 | gcb77, hey stop fiddling with my internet :D |
| 20:15.19 | Ghiottone | I would like to setup my own repository online. |
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| 20:15.43 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: like online at home or like online on the internetz? |
| 20:15.45 | Ghiottone | is there a way to tell bitbake or mokomakefile to deply only the packages I want into a dir? |
| 20:15.57 | Ghiottone | hhf423, internet |
| 20:16.10 | Ghiottone | hhf423, for home I have it already set up |
| 20:16.25 | Ghiottone | hhf423, but it contains all of my locally compiled ipkgs... |
| 20:16.30 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: is that not the same principle? |
| 20:16.56 | hhf423 | aw, sorry, the question was about whitelisting packages |
| 20:17.12 | Ghiottone | hhf423, yeah. I want only my own packages there. |
| 20:17.22 | Ghiottone | there would be no point in duplicating all the tree |
| 20:17.29 | hhf423 | sure |
| 20:17.45 | hhf423 | no idea, maybe FuzzyCat knows |
| 20:18.12 | hhf423 | kristian-m: that was not enough :-( |
| 20:18.23 | Ghiottone | I have made ipkgorphan |
| 20:18.30 | Ghiottone | and I think it could be useful |
| 20:18.38 | Ghiottone | if someone fills its / |
| 20:19.17 | kristian-m | hhf423 hmm, I still got 3.5 MByte free. maybe you have to free other stuff as well, ant put the SettingsGUI dir to /media/card as well. Sorry |
| 20:19.23 | TimRiker | polz: I don't have a pin set on the sim. |
| 20:20.08 | kristian-m | telmich I really think |
| 20:20.14 | hhf423 | kristian-m: I already put the Settingsgui stuff intp /tmp |
| 20:20.20 | cindy | Does the latest build of 2007.2 (I just updated and built earlier today then an hour ago) boot but all the fonts are squares, or is it just me? |
| 20:20.32 | polz | huh ? I didn't know that was possible |
| 20:21.04 | polz | TimRiker: have you tried the method described in the wiki under "manually using GSM" ? |
| 20:21.55 | TimRiker | restarting gsmd did it. no pin requested. |
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| 20:23.04 | TimRiker | thx. incoming and outgoing both work fine now. |
| 20:23.22 | kristian-m | hhf423 try to copy /usr/share to /media/card - that should give you some free space - but try to copy first and remove it when copying was successful (du -ch /usr/share) |
| 20:23.26 | ixs | TimRiker: try /etc/init.d/gsmd stop; /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop; /etc/init.d/gsmd start; /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start while logged in via ssh |
| 20:23.46 | polz | how come the modem dies so often ? |
| 20:23.49 | Ghiottone | hhf423, what's the problem? full /? why don't you remove some package? |
| 20:23.51 | TimRiker | ixs: just restarting gsmd worked. |
| 20:24.24 | andylockran | TimRiker: what images are you using? |
| 20:25.10 | TimRiker | OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-P1-August-Snapshot-20070822-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 20:25.31 | andylockran | and kern? |
| 20:25.36 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: yes, / full. and there is really not enough to deinstall |
| 20:25.54 | TimRiker | uImage-2.6.21.5-moko10-r4-fic-gta01.bin (the only one with matching modules in that rootfs) |
| 20:26.45 | Ghiottone | hhf423, deinstall and reinstall it on the card |
| 20:26.46 | TimRiker | on ssh in, there was no gsmd running. don't know why. there is an init script as /etc/rc5.d/S35gsmd |
| 20:27.34 | kristian-m | TimRiker just restarting gsmd should stop gsm-panel-app from updating and kill the panel when you try to change settings there... |
| 20:29.19 | TimRiker | kristian-m: ah, sure enough, the panel went away. |
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| 20:30.24 | hhf423 | TimRiker: first do /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop then stop/start gsmd then start x |
| 20:30.53 | Ghiottone | here is ipkgorphan http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ipkgorphan_0.0.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:31.02 | Ghiottone | feedback is appreciated |
| 20:31.13 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: what does it do? |
| 20:31.38 | Ghiottone | something like deborphan |
| 20:31.59 | Ghiottone | it shows you which packages you can safely remove without breaking other packages dependencies |
| 20:32.15 | pH5 | stefan_schmidt: http://linuxtogo.org/~ph5/tmp/openmoko-theme |
| 20:32.19 | TimRiker | the line ims posted worked for me and got the icons back. |
| 20:32.24 | jr0m | hmm working nicely with 2.6.22.5m11r1 and 20070828 |
| 20:32.34 | jr0m | after adding /etc/matchbox/session fix |
| 20:32.37 | TimRiker | hhf423: effectively the same thing. |
| 20:32.55 | jr0m | also noticed that input manager will run from All section but not from Utilities section |
| 20:32.59 | hhf423 | cd /tmp |
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| 20:33.34 | hhf423 | kristian-m: ok, now I get ImportError: No module named cairo |
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| 20:34.24 | pH5 | hhf423: install python-pycairo |
| 20:34.52 | pH5 | mickey|sports: there is something wrong with the python/gtk dependencies. pygtk doesn't depend on pycairo, but pygobject pulls in a whole load of -dev packages |
| 20:34.58 | Ghiottone | where is the source of pysettings? |
| 20:34.58 | andylockran | TimRiker: did you do the matchbox fix? |
| 20:35.08 | TimRiker | andylockran: nope. |
| 20:35.12 | andylockran | ok |
| 20:35.39 | hhf423 | how can I see which directory is taking up how much space? |
| 20:35.50 | ScaredyCat | du -h |
| 20:35.51 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: Thanks. |
| 20:35.55 | ScaredyCat | or use kdirstat |
| 20:36.20 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: thanks |
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| 20:37.19 | cworth | TimRiker: Hey, hi there Tim! |
| 20:37.29 | jr0m | someone have a compiled minimo they can up? |
| 20:37.59 | kristian-m | pH5, mickey|sports pygtk should also provide a gtk.py which is only available after installing python-pygtk-dev |
| 20:39.01 | ScaredyCat | jr0m: no, but midori = yes |
| 20:39.58 | TimRiker | cworth: heya carl! having fun here? :) |
| 20:40.24 | TimRiker | how do I mount the mmc? |
| 20:40.26 | cworth | TimRiker: I keep hoping to, but haven't had much time to play yet. |
| 20:40.42 | jr0m | oh ok where? |
| 20:40.45 | TimRiker | oh. it automounted on this boot. |
| 20:41.04 | jr0m | n/m |
| 20:41.06 | jr0m | got it |
| 20:41.07 | jr0m | ty |
| 20:41.55 | TimRiker | dialer eats an incredible amount of ram. |
| 20:43.16 | pH5 | hehe, how else to justify powering 128M of sdram all the time |
| 20:43.28 | hhf423 | kristian-m: after I installed pycairo: ImportError: No module named threading |
| 20:44.01 | TimRiker | pH5: well, minimo won't have much less to pig out on. |
| 20:44.10 | TimRiker | s/less/left/ |
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| 20:44.14 | cworth | TimRiker: If I can get this thing functioning as a phone, maybe I can start carrying it around. |
| 20:44.19 | kristian-m | hhf423 oh, i thought python-lang had that, you'll need it, i'll update the wiki |
| 20:44.51 | TimRiker | cworth: power management still sux from what I've seen. it's not useful as a phone till that is improved. |
| 20:45.23 | kristian-m | hhf423 actually python-subprocess should depend on python-threading... |
| 20:45.30 | cworth | TimRiker: Yeah. |
| 20:45.39 | daMaestro | how's om2007.2 coming along? any official releases? |
| 20:45.49 | cworth | TimRiker: Oddly enough, the phone is actually the piece that interests me the least. |
| 20:46.07 | hhf423 | kristian-m: coo, now it works |
| 20:46.21 | kristian-m | hhf423 at last :-) have fun |
| 20:46.42 | cworth | I'm much more interested in the high resolution display, and eventually some wireless, (I want to do some multiplayer games---maybe with bluetooth in the short term). |
| 20:47.00 | cworth | I'll also be very interested in the GPS functionality if that can be handled with free software. |
| 20:47.09 | kristian-m | cworth what did you have in mind? |
| 20:47.27 | cworth | kristian-m: What games? |
| 20:49.02 | kristian-m | cworth right, do you want to port existing games or code new ones? |
| 20:49.19 | cworth | kristian-m: Mostly turn-based logic/word games, (things like Ricochet Robots, Boggle, Coda, Binary Homeworlds, maybe Volcano). |
| 20:49.39 | hhf423 | kristian-m: the backlight stuff works, landscape does not, sound works, but the gsmd stuff not |
| 20:49.40 | daxxar | TimRiker: Good luck getting a usable inputsystem ;) |
| 20:49.46 | andylockran | TimRiker: did your icon change after you restarted gsmd |
| 20:49.55 | TimRiker | daxxar: not to mention hw 3d. |
| 20:50.08 | daxxar | TimRiker: GTA02 has hw 3d |
| 20:50.09 | daxxar | TimRiker: GLES |
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| 20:50.18 | daxxar | s/GLES/GL ES/ |
| 20:50.22 | TimRiker | andylockran: they icons died the first time, but when I restart gsmd and X all appears ok. |
| 20:50.28 | cworth | kristian-m: Almost all original stuff. I want the same things for playing on conventional machines as well, but I'm not aware of a lot of interesting implementations, (superdupergames.com has several very interesting games, but a very uncompelling interface). |
| 20:50.38 | mdt | daxxar, when will that be supported? |
| 20:50.47 | kristian-m | hhf423 you'll have to wait for an event from the gsmd-lib for gsm to work |
| 20:50.50 | daxxar | mdt: Hm? |
| 20:51.04 | TimRiker | daxxar: really? cool! I should start working on a port. could use ts for movement and tap to fire. |
| 20:51.14 | daxxar | TimRiker: Hmm, true. |
| 20:51.32 | kristian-m | cworth nice idea |
| 20:51.35 | daxxar | TimRiker: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison |
| 20:51.37 | TimRiker | oh... no gl libs sofar, yes? |
| 20:51.53 | daxxar | SMedia 3362 2D/3D Graphics Accelerator |
| 20:52.23 | kristian-m | hhf423 landscape/portrait switching is just calling xargs - can you try calling 'xargs -o 1' from the commandline? |
| 20:52.30 | daxxar | Not sure, the hardware isn't even available. ;-) |
| 20:52.36 | hhf423 | kristian-m: I just restarted x and gsmd and now I get a correct raeding |
| 20:52.52 | kristian-m | hhf423 great :-) |
| 20:53.05 | polz | btw, who's writing the driver for the new graphics adapter ? |
| 20:53.09 | pH5 | kristian-m: xrandr |
| 20:53.11 | hhf423 | kristian-m: cool stuff |
| 20:53.21 | kristian-m | pH5 right thanks |
| 20:53.41 | mdt | daxxar, you need software suporting that hw... |
| 20:53.49 | cworth | kristian-m: xrandr you mean? |
| 20:54.10 | daxxar | mdt: True. I haven't read any info on it. |
| 20:54.19 | daxxar | Perhaps we're lucky, and SMedia has linux drivers for their device. ;) |
| 20:54.31 | kristian-m | cworth yes |
| 20:54.40 | cworth | daxxar: "has" doesn't mean much, unfortunately |
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| 20:55.39 | cworth | I do have a gsmd process running at least... |
| 20:55.55 | TimRiker | compiz then? :) |
| 20:57.10 | cworth | Wow, lots of debug prints in these programs... :-) |
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| 20:57.45 | kristian-m | hhf423 i still wonder why landscape switching isn't workig for you |
| 20:57.57 | andylockran | getting cu: /dev/ttSAC0: Line in use |
| 20:58.03 | andylockran | even when lsof shows it's not |
| 20:58.04 | cworth | GSM icon is "?" and clicking on "power up antenna" just makes all the panel apps disappear, (same thing after restarting gsmd and xserver) |
| 20:58.24 | ixs | andylockran: chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttSAC0 |
| 20:58.32 | hhf423 | kristian-m: oh, it now works (after I did the x retsrat) |
| 20:58.51 | pH5 | cworth: that's why I'm still not convinced in-process plugins are a good idea for panel applets. |
| 20:58.55 | cworth | TimRiker: Did you get any further with gsm? |
| 20:58.56 | jr0m | cworth edit your /etc/matchbox/session and add /etc/init.d/gsmd stop and a /etc/init.d/gsmd start before other entries |
| 20:59.00 | jr0m | that got mine to work |
| 20:59.22 | hhf423 | kristian-m: see: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=1 |
| 20:59.43 | cworth | pH5: I don't know that it matters much either way. Thing really need to just work reliably. |
| 20:59.55 | kristian-m | hhf423 okay, strange though. - so i can continue implementing the next features then :-) |
| 21:00.18 | andylockran | ixs: I've done that chown - which is it that i need to edit in inittab? |
| 21:00.29 | pH5 | cworth: right :) |
| 21:00.49 | ixs | andylockran: with current snapshots? no, no need to change inittab anymore |
| 21:00.56 | hhf423 | kristian-m: yes, please. we also need a way to restore sound when that breaks again :-) |
| 21:01.05 | andylockran | hmm.. |
| 21:01.07 | TimRiker | cworth: restarting gsmd and X worked fine. |
| 21:01.33 | cworth | jr0m: Hmm... still behaves the same way for me here. |
| 21:01.40 | hhf423 | kristian-m: and of course how to get a icon into the application manu :-) |
| 21:01.43 | kristian-m | hhf423 you mean when an other application changed the mixer. hmm okay noted |
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| 21:01.51 | andylockran | ixs: cu: creat (/var/lock/TMP0000000ebe): Not a directory |
| 21:01.55 | cworth | Not much in the debug spew but: |
| 21:01.57 | cworth | ** (matchbox-panel-2:1384): DEBUG: lgsm_phone_power returned 0 |
| 21:01.58 | hhf423 | kristian-m: mixer and sound profiles |
| 21:02.06 | jr0m | cworth im using 08.28.07 and 2.6.22 kernel |
| 21:02.10 | ixs | andylockran: mkdir -p /var/lock |
| 21:02.16 | kristian-m | hhf423 okay, it's on the todo list |
| 21:02.22 | TimRiker | at what point are things going to be running as non-root? |
| 21:02.25 | hhf423 | kristian-m: and maybe a mute/unmute fast button |
| 21:02.33 | cworth | jr0m: I flashed the images that Sean announced. |
| 21:02.35 | TimRiker | running everything as root is a really bad idea once a web browser is there. |
| 21:02.41 | jr0m | oh. |
| 21:02.49 | jr0m | i never got that recipe to work |
| 21:03.11 | hhf423 | TimRiker: of course that no problem because linux is secure!!1! |
| 21:03.12 | andylockran | ixs: there's a /var/lock file already there - can I delete than and then create the dir? |
| 21:03.16 | jr0m | cworth: im using ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ |
| 21:03.27 | TimRiker | I can see the support calls now "I removed /lib/libc-2.5.so cause I was not using it, and now my phone won't boot" |
| 21:03.54 | dsilva | the gnu ARM assembler for the phone translates float ops to softfloat, right? |
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| 21:04.06 | TimRiker | hhf423: not if you run as root all the time. There are linux viruses in the wild. They will eventually bite you in the butt. |
| 21:04.10 | cw666 | TimRiker: so long as uboot is there there should always be a fairly simple canned way to unfsck a phone to some extent using dfuutil |
| 21:04.22 | andylockran | ixs: i can always reflash... |
| 21:04.27 | ixs | andylockran: look at the wiki about manually using gsm. |
| 21:04.29 | hhf423 | TimRiker: I know that, I was just pulling your leg |
| 21:04.30 | ixs | that should explain the process |
| 21:04.33 | TimRiker | cw666: that's not the point. running as root is a bad idea. |
| 21:04.48 | TimRiker | ~lart hhf423 |
| 21:04.48 | apt | whacks hhf423 with the cluebat |
| 21:05.09 | TimRiker | how do I start a gprs connection? |
| 21:05.44 | hhf423 | TimRiker: and if you know the statistics, then you know viruses are not the rising issue anymore, trojans are and most of the get installed though infected websites and user interaction |
| 21:06.07 | hhf423 | TimRiker: gprs is in the wiki (manually using gprs), it actually works sometimes |
| 21:06.12 | TimRiker | hhf423: agreed. and running as root makes that all very likely. :) |
| 21:06.19 | hhf423 | TimRiker: yes |
| 21:06.37 | andylockran | hmm.. it hangs on connection |
| 21:06.44 | andylockran | I'm on the wiki |
| 21:06.47 | hads | How bout we stop stressing the little things until the software is out of alpha |
| 21:07.04 | andylockran | I get to Connected. -and then it hangs.. |
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| 21:07.25 | TimRiker | well the run-as-root is a larger issue. many apps will assume they can do things that they will no longer be able to. |
| 21:07.28 | andylockran | though the phone is still registering presses .etc |
| 21:07.29 | TimRiker | that should get fixed soon. |
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| 21:07.46 | TimRiker | other comments are just that.. comments. :) |
| 21:07.59 | cw666 | TimRiker: i dont disagree running everything as root is a bad idea |
| 21:08.01 | hads | TimRiker: It's not a large issue compared to so... writing the code. |
| 21:08.02 | andylockran | ignore me |
| 21:08.05 | andylockran | for now... |
| 21:08.12 | roh | TimRiker we are aware of that issue. it just is of no priority at all given the current state overall |
| 21:08.18 | cworth | jr0m: There are a lot of images there without any guidance. Have any for me? |
| 21:08.37 | hads | Yeah, what roh said. |
| 21:08.38 | TimRiker | roh: it should me. security is not something you can add after the fact imho. |
| 21:08.53 | roh | TimRiker this is far away from beeing 'used' in the real life |
| 21:09.19 | TimRiker | not at all the point. are you saying that _none_ of the code that is on this device will end up on the final product? |
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| 21:09.42 | TimRiker | a lot will change. that's a given. but security should not be an afterthought. |
| 21:09.42 | hhf423 | roh: hahaha, thats how it starts with security every time. "It wasn't a priority and then we had to go into production and now can you please bolt it on" |
| 21:09.51 | TimRiker | hhf423: exactly. |
| 21:09.55 | roh | TimRiker security is a concept. and hacking around on it while you are not shure which components will interact how is more than messy and generates broken concepts |
| 21:10.12 | hads | Making little adjustments here and there to ensure things can run as non-root isn't difficult. |
| 21:10.36 | dsilva | why not just run the debian arm distro? |
| 21:10.36 | hhf423 | roh, you're the roh from ccc berlin? you should not talk like that. |
| 21:10.46 | dsilva | i think that's already non-root |
| 21:11.05 | TimRiker | roh: part of each an every interaction is considering the security impact. so if you leave security till the end, you will have to re-evaluate the entire stack. |
| 21:11.15 | hads | *yawn* |
| 21:11.45 | jr0m | is there a gui audio player in ipkg? |
| 21:11.57 | roh | TimRiker it will not be left till the end. but you do not seem to get how long the actual way from here to outside the lab actually is. |
| 21:12.08 | hads | Yes, security matters, yes it needs to be considered as part of the development but whining about running as root at this stage is silly. |
| 21:12.24 | TimRiker | roh: heh. I'll assume you don't know my history. |
| 21:12.36 | roh | yes there is a lot of code which will be used. but not all of it. see the neod, it is a proof of concept. |
| 21:13.03 | cw666 | i dont mean to sound like an ass ... but am i the only one who right now is stunned at how bad the code is? |
| 21:13.17 | cw666 | (i work doing embeddad linux and sw for a living, i have some experience here) |
| 21:13.24 | cw666 | so i think TimRiker has a really good point |
| 21:13.40 | TimRiker | cw666: it's about where I expected it given that hardware only recently became available. |
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| 21:13.51 | cw666 | TimRiker: yes and no |
| 21:13.55 | TimRiker | :) |
| 21:14.07 | roh | cw666 depends on what code you look. there were a lot of different authors already (and some we had to remove) |
| 21:14.10 | cw666 | TimRiker: basically, im worried the overall arch is a tad Desktop-Like |
| 21:14.29 | cw666 | TimRiker: the phone is slow to boot and the footprint is VERY large for what it presently does |
| 21:14.44 | cw666 | it more or less a whole lot of semi-working prototype code and pretty bitmaps |
| 21:14.52 | andylockran | yeah, I have one of the phones with the weird behaviour - gsm only works if the stty command is run after the cu comand |
| 21:14.59 | andylockran | just reading thry bug 256 now |
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| 21:15.05 | TimRiker | cw666: the boot time can be drastically cut down with not a lot of effort. |
| 21:15.49 | dsilva | cw666: it's already pretty stripped... what else would you cut? |
| 21:15.50 | pH5 | andylockran: that's due to a bug/feature/whatever in cu (it changes flow control settings on exit) |
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| 21:15.50 | roh | cw666 no wonder.. youre carrying a gdb and similar stuff around. there is no optimization and no real cutting down on binary size done at all. |
| 21:15.50 | TimRiker | dsilva: glibc would be top on my list. :) |
| 21:16.28 | dsilva | TimRiker: do you mean the c stdlib or gobject? |
| 21:16.43 | TimRiker | I mean I'd use uclibc myself. |
| 21:16.46 | dsilva | oh |
| 21:17.01 | dsilva | i thought it was uc already |
| 21:17.05 | TimRiker | nope. |
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| 21:17.30 | TimRiker | there are a ton of dev tools in there still, but that's somewhat expected. |
| 21:17.50 | roh | cw666 yes, i also want boot-times, clearly below 30 seconds out of the cold, stunning fast reaction time, no lag, no 'it clicks 1 sec later' and so. and i will get it. i'm shure of that. just takes time. remember.. openmoko is a small company. |
| 21:18.14 | cw666 | roh: it's not so much a criticism as an honest representation of the facts |
| 21:18.36 | cw666 | i'm well aware of the how much pain this can be to get it small and clean (like i said, i do this for a living elsewhere) |
| 21:19.00 | dsilva | the boot time can't be helped with a resume image? |
| 21:19.01 | roh | cw666 oh, believe me.. you wouldn't wanna listen to a mad, drunken coreteam, ranting about their product. but this does not belong here |
| 21:19.33 | TimRiker | ps, the old dead tinylogin, ps, top, less, gdb, strace, ltrace, sysv init, sysc mod utils, etc. |
| 21:19.53 | TimRiker | most are just there for development though. |
| 21:19.54 | roh | dsilva before trying bad hacks it is better to start cleaning up and optimizing. but this is done 'when it works' and not before |
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| 21:20.04 | cw666 | roh: yes it does, to some extent.... being aware of issues such as size and security early on mean it should be LESS painful at the end when people decide to cleanup some of this |
| 21:20.08 | dsilva | TimRiker: those things only take up storage space, they wouldn't make the phone slower |
| 21:20.31 | dsilva | roh: that's true |
| 21:20.34 | TimRiker | dsilva: not commenting on boot time here. just on the "size" of the rootfs. |
| 21:20.40 | cw666 | dsilva: the large rootfs makes development somewhat slower though if you have to reflash it |
| 21:20.47 | cw666 | unless you use nfsroot and just avoid that step |
| 21:20.48 | roh | there are also some strange delays when booting which need to be researched. just nobody found the time yet. |
| 21:21.03 | andylockran | not sure what it's worth, but the reason my phone isn't connecting could be because it's resending AT+COPS=0 every 5 seconds |
| 21:21.15 | dsilva | cw666: shouldn't have to reflash much if you're using ipkg? |
| 21:22.13 | cw666 | dsilva: probably true, ive not really had enough time to deal with userspace that much |
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| 21:22.37 | andylockran | if i do it manually it works |
| 21:22.37 | andylockran | is there a way of changing the length between each one? |
| 21:22.46 | andylockran | sorry - lagging badly at the moment |
| 21:22.59 | ixs | andylockran: COPS is not the reason, it's just a symptom |
| 21:23.01 | dsilva | as far as program sizes, I'm working on an arm compiler backend to generate smaller 16-bit code when possible :) |
| 21:23.24 | cw666 | i wondered if XIP was working looking into |
| 21:23.28 | cw666 | TimRiker any experience there? |
| 21:23.40 | TimRiker | dsilva: sounds like a waste of time at this point with the large number of other low hanging fruit around. |
| 21:23.55 | dsilva | TimRiker: well, it's for an architecture course :) |
| 21:24.10 | TimRiker | XIP sux. fast boot, yes, at the expense of eating up performance all the rest of the time. |
| 21:24.19 | zecke_ | dsilva: so compiling everything with thumb? |
| 21:24.29 | TimRiker | and the flash is NAND, no? so XIP won't work anyway. |
| 21:24.47 | dsilva | zecke_: not everything, mixed code |
| 21:25.30 | cw666 | TimRiker: the hw i deal with is also slow for XIP, i wondered if it was something specific to my setup though |
| 21:26.14 | roh | not that you guys misundertand me. its not that all this would not be total madness (from a project ideas point of view) or we couldn't do it (we are suprised whats possible from time to time) its just that it needs time. we are abound 20 people + external ones. and no just hiring (what we do) does not help since people need to be trained to know about why and how and what we are doing here. |
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| 21:27.44 | cw666 | btw, what is the right place to start sending patches? openmoko-devel? |
| 21:27.49 | cw666 | i dont see anyone else doing this so i wonder |
| 21:28.25 | roh | cw666 depends for what part of software |
| 21:28.31 | cw666 | kernel |
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| 21:28.48 | ynezz | there's kernel list |
| 21:29.06 | cw666 | oh, there is? let me google for is |
| 21:29.38 | roh | openmoko-kernel |
| 21:29.47 | roh | see the list of lists ;) http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ |
| 21:30.21 | cw666 | thanks |
| 21:30.56 | fgau | roh: have we an communication problem? |
| 21:31.00 | hhf423 | muahahaha |
| 21:31.34 | roh | fgau i hope not |
| 21:32.16 | fgau | roh: i think yes |
| 21:32.44 | roh | fgau where this time? |
| 21:33.21 | dcordes | is there yet a usable input method for the new UI? |
| 21:33.43 | cworth | jr0m: Excellent. Those images, (plus adding /etc/init.d/gdm start to /etc/matchbox/session), seem to have done the trick. |
| 21:33.54 | cw666 | dumb question, but is there a good way to clean the screen ... someone was messing with mine and i can see they used a pen not a stylus |
| 21:33.57 | roh | fgau if you wish you can also talk german to me (if that helps) |
| 21:34.31 | jr0m | nice cworth |
| 21:34.34 | fgau | roh: jo |
| 21:34.36 | jr0m | thats great news |
| 21:34.59 | cworth | Cool, and the dialer worked, (but no audio...). |
| 21:35.09 | jr0m | did you get audio on boot? |
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| 21:36.38 | jr0m | cworth: did the audio modules load? lsmod etc |
| 21:37.08 | cworth | jr0m: Yeah, I got the boot sound just fine. |
| 21:37.36 | jr0m | have you ever tried to "alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state restore" |
| 21:38.35 | jr0m | err its just in /etc now. |
| 21:39.20 | cworth | jr0m: Thanks, (and no, I've never really don anything with this device before). |
| 21:39.35 | thseiler | Hello #openmoko, i'm thomas seiler, proud owner of a new neo and a bit puzzled... Is there anyone online that knows a bit about the gsm subsystem ? |
| 21:39.50 | jr0m | cworth: if you can do your ipkg update && ipkg upgrade |
| 21:40.48 | jr0m | thseiler: look at the wiki. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM |
| 21:41.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMokoFramework/es]] [[SettingsGUI]] [[User:Hhf423]] |
| 21:41.26 | thseiler | Thank you jr0m, will do |
| 21:41.51 | cworth | jr0m: That did it! Two-way audio is working now. Thanks. |
| 21:42.07 | jr0m | cool. |
| 21:42.38 | dcordes | is there any keyboard in openmoko-2007.2? |
| 21:42.45 | jr0m | input manager |
| 21:42.53 | jr0m | applications:all:input manager |
| 21:42.56 | dcordes | jr0m: how is the pack called? |
| 21:44.58 | jr0m | cworth i've used it all day so far. 1st day ever for me |
| 21:45.35 | cworth | jr0m: Hmm... need to get my usbnet routing setup to do the ipkg upgrade. |
| 21:45.53 | jr0m | yup. and add a /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:46.03 | dcordes | could somebody tell me the ipk's name which provides input manager? |
| 21:46.26 | dcordes | ptim-manager? |
| 21:46.29 | cworth | Though, hmm... it looks like it should be up... |
| 21:46.50 | cworth | jr0m: Oh yeah, I bet that's all I'm missing. |
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| 21:48.43 | cworth | jr0m: upgrading now---thanks for the help |
| 21:49.06 | dsilva | dcordes: matchbox-applet-inputmanager ? |
| 21:49.31 | jr0m | mbinputmgr |
| 21:50.40 | dsilva | dcordes: looks like matchbox-applet-inputmanager provides /usr/bin/mbinputmgr, which puts a white box at the top of your screen and when you press that you get a keyboard |
| 21:50.49 | jr0m | correct |
| 21:51.08 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: Adding Applications To OpenMoko The Right Way |
| 21:51.28 | dsilva | dcordes: you can use a different keyboard by manually running /usr/bin/matchbox-keyboard via ssh. that's provided by matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod |
| 21:51.42 | dcordes | dsilva: ok thanks |
| 21:53.44 | jr0m | cworth: i also ipkg install midori. heehe ty all |
| 21:55.22 | cworth | jr0m: What's midori? (It's package description is useless "Version 0.0.5-r0 of package midori"). |
| 21:55.29 | cworth | "Its" even |
| 21:55.31 | jr0m | webbroswer |
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| 21:56.29 | Elrond | mickeyl - *ping* |
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| 21:57.15 | mickeyl | Elrond: pong |
| 21:57.20 | Elrond | Ahh. |
| 21:57.22 | Maledictus | mickeyl: I forgot to mention (on froscon) that there is another reason for open hw documentation being better (imo) than using the .h files from linux: Imagine a free OS which has a copyleft license which is not compatible to the GPL. They will have real trouble porting there system to the neo. I as a FreeBSD user I'm at least in the position to decide that I can use the linux .h files when it's OK for me that my Kernel gets GPLed (e.g. |
| 21:57.23 | Maledictus | no CDDL code in it). But anyway, I'm sure you are all doing your best for opening the system as much as it's possible, Thanks :) |
| 21:57.32 | Stephmw | anyone going to be in Birmingham for this? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6080676756.html |
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| 21:57.50 | Elrond | mickeyl - Is there any nice way to boot some sort of rescue system on the neo? (which is usable via usb) |
| 21:58.20 | cjb | Why not just DFU reflash? |
| 21:58.39 | mickeyl | Elrond: we don't have a dedicated rescue system image yet, but you can boot any kernel/rootfs combination from SD. |
| 21:58.44 | roh | Maledictus even if you cannot officially copy headerfiles. thats what happens all the time out there in the wild. to be exact often the header and its comments is better documention than any datasheet |
| 21:58.47 | mickeyl | eventually i also want to have booting from NFS in the boot menu |
| 21:58.57 | cw666 | mickeyl: actually, i was just looking into that |
| 21:59.10 | mickeyl | cw666: cool, please keep me posted |
| 21:59.16 | Maledictus | roh, I wouldn't do that. |
| 21:59.27 | mickeyl | cw666: patches against the default environment welcome :) |
| 21:59.31 | cw666 | mickeyl: well, for now ill just use a differently kernel image with an initramfs since i dont have a debug board on hand |
| 21:59.32 | Elrond | mickeyl - Hmm, I probably should really buy soe microsd... |
| 21:59.38 | mickeyl | Elrond: yeah |
| 21:59.51 | mickeyl | cw666: oh, good idea. does that work w/ OE? |
| 21:59.51 | cw666 | mickeyl: someone offerred me one though so ill probably look at it properly next week once they drop it off |
| 22:00.06 | cworth | Maledictus: Anyone using a copyleft license incompatible with the GPL is setting themselves up for plenty of problems regardless. |
| 22:00.13 | mickeyl | cw666: i think a kernel + initramfs would be perfect |
| 22:00.14 | cw666 | mickeyl: nothing i presently do will need/require OE (curse OE!) |
| 22:00.20 | mickeyl | heh |
| 22:00.22 | mickeyl | OE rocks |
| 22:00.27 | mickeyl | but lets not discuss that |
| 22:00.29 | mickeyl | i'm biased |
| 22:01.03 | Elrond | cw666 - u-boot supports initramfs? |
| 22:01.12 | Maledictus | cworth: me wouldn't do that either, but I also wouldn't discriminate it. |
| 22:01.36 | cw666 | Elrond: it doesnt have to know about it, it's just part of the kernel image when done right |
| 22:02.11 | cw666 | mickeyl: perhaps for final builds it doees, right now it's just a long-winded way of making simple things hard |
| 22:03.55 | Elrond | cw666 - Ahhh. So one could put the rescue image inside the normal jffs2 rootfs? :) |
| 22:04.14 | Elrond | (assuming space on the rootfs / small rescue image) |
| 22:04.23 | dsilva | speaking of bitbaking, does someone have a prebuilt ipkg for minimo? :) |
| 22:04.54 | cw666 | Elrond: no, initramfs gets embedded inside the kernel, so it would live inside the kernel partition |
| 22:05.39 | mickeyl | cw666: fear not. it'll slow down once the OpenMoko monotone server is in place |
| 22:05.42 | Elrond | cw666 - Well, one can put a kernel in the rootfs. |
| 22:06.32 | Ghiottone | I'm getting this error: NOTE: the following files were installed but not shipped in any package: |
| 22:06.44 | Elrond | (or even better: upload it via DFU into RAM... that would be great anyway) |
| 22:06.45 | Ghiottone | how do I have them included in the ipk file? |
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| 22:08.51 | cw666 | mickeyl: monotone? are you serious? |
| 22:08.57 | sagacis|neo | morning (utc) |
| 22:09.22 | dcordes | trying to install a local package using "ipkg install pack.ipk" it says ipkg: "fork failed" and segfaults |
| 22:09.44 | mickeyl | cw666: sure. we will be an OE mirror with slightly older software. this works fine using monotone, since that's what OE uses |
| 22:10.56 | dcordes | what might be wrong? |
| 22:11.08 | Elrond | mickeyl - Do the buildhost kernels support initramfs? |
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| 22:12.12 | rwhitby | mickeyl: I just noticed task-openmoko-feed. thx. |
| 22:12.16 | ScaredyCat | stupid fecking feedreader |
| 22:12.25 | mickeyl | rwhitby: feel free to add things you want to see :) |
| 22:12.38 | mickeyl | Elrond: no, the defconfig needs to be seperate i think |
| 22:12.46 | rwhitby | will do, and I will use it for the nslu2-linux autobuilder too. |
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| 22:13.03 | Elrond | mickeyl - Huh? |
| 22:13.49 | mickeyl | Elrond: i have no experience with initramfs but i was under the impression that you need to tweak the defconfig of the said kernel to make it know about that |
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| 22:14.59 | Elrond | mickeyl - Yeah, I never did initramfs either. |
| 22:17.48 | Elrond | Well, until there is a nice DFU-RAM-downloadable rescue image, I'm probably keeping my old kernel with oabi, etc. :) |
| 22:19.13 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:19.17 | cw666 | mickeyl: the kernel config needs to have support that |
| 22:19.18 | cw666 | is all |
| 22:19.31 | mickeyl | cw666: right. that's what i thought |
| 22:19.43 | cw666 | you dont need to do anything magic to make initramfs work other than provide one the kernel and check against |
| 22:19.46 | cw666 | usually that |
| 22:19.47 | cw666 | gah |
| 22:19.47 | cw666 | sorry |
| 22:19.52 | cw666 | stupid ' key :-) |
| 22:20.02 | cw666 | usually that is inside the kernel but not always |
| 22:20.48 | mickeyl | if it doesn't stop booting once it can't find the initramfs then we could enable it unconditionally -- if it doesn't slow the boot down though |
| 22:21.25 | cw666 | mickeyl: initramfs is just some userspace, it could do anything you want within reason |
| 22:21.39 | cw666 | it could even have sshd or a menu or more |
| 22:21.42 | mickeyl | yea |
| 22:21.48 | cw666 | (ive done all of this elsewhere) |
| 22:22.01 | Elrond | sshd would be great. :) |
| 22:22.03 | mickeyl | what do you give the kernel as CMDLINE to make it boot from initramfs? |
| 22:22.13 | cw666 | mickeyl: not possible |
| 22:22.30 | cw666 | mickeyl: and why bother? have the initramfs read the command line and do what is needed otherwise |
| 22:22.39 | cw666 | Elrond: sshd might be a tad overkill :-) |
| 22:22.53 | Elrond | cw666 - Well, or g_ether. :) |
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| 22:22.59 | Elrond | s/g_ether/g_serial/ |
| 22:23.11 | rwhitby | altboot in initramfs is an idea ... |
| 22:23.24 | cw666 | Elrond: g_serial is what? |
| 22:23.48 | cw666 | Elrond: given the kernel comes up with CDD ethernet, the simplest options are NETCONSOLE or telnetd |
| 22:24.22 | Elrond | cw666 - Well, yeah. :) |
| 22:24.55 | Elrond | cw666 - g_serial is serial line emulation on usb. Put getty on it, and be done. telnetd would work of course too. |
| 22:25.20 | cw666 | Elrond: i'd have to play with unbinding ethernet and binding in serial, i really need a debug board for that though |
| 22:25.44 | cw666 | well, maybe ssh over bluetooth would be ok for some experiments, but ssh over bluetooth is such a hacky mess |
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| 22:26.45 | cesarb | I just had an idea while on the ferry |
| 22:26.51 | cesarb | We could write an evil shell script |
| 22:26.58 | cesarb | Which would parse the last line of the gsm log |
| 22:27.13 | Elrond | cw666 - I think, g_serial and cdc-ethernet should work in paralel? |
| 22:27.37 | thseiler | mickeyl: CMD_LINE for initramdisk is something like : root=/dev/ram0 initrd=/path/to/initramdisk, me thinks |
| 22:27.41 | cesarb | And take an action based on it (ATZ = stuck ATZ, power off the modem on /sys, wait, power on, wait, etc; AT+COPS = stuck +COPS, kill gsmd, wait a bit, start it again) |
| 22:27.59 | thseiler | gentoo used to use this a lot |
| 22:28.02 | cesarb | Stick the script before the X loads on init.d, and we would have a modem working most of the time |
| 22:28.44 | ferric | that's a hack. |
| 22:28.56 | ferric | closed gsmd makes life muc harder. |
| 22:29.07 | mickeyl | thseiler: ah, that's what i wanted to know. thanks |
| 22:29.32 | Elrond | cesarb - Oh well, not another hack. |
| 22:30.55 | thseiler | mickeyl: I think the kernel has some way of autodetecting if it is fed a classic initrd or an initramfs, so it uses the same interface towards the bootloader |
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| 22:32.28 | thseiler | fast question - Are there known issues with AT+CPIN and some types of SIM Cards ? I have a USIM and the modem would not accept my PIN code... |
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| 22:35.33 | thseiler | cesarb: wouln't this better be handled in the gmsd event loop ? |
| 22:35.59 | cw666 | thseiler: no, there is no filesystem other than rootfs at that point |
| 22:36.02 | cw666 | what gentoo does there i have no idea |
| 22:36.44 | cw666 | Elrond: im not sure is that is the case is it? you would need multiple endpoints to get ethernet and serial working and i was under the impression that at present that wasn't possible |
| 22:37.19 | cesarb | thseiler: yeah, it would. but it isn't right now |
| 22:37.20 | Elrond | cw666 - Ohh, so that's a limitation of the kernel, right? |
| 22:37.33 | thseiler | cw666: ok i understand. |
| 22:37.37 | cesarb | thseiler: and I for instance have no idea why it sometimes gets stuck on ATZ, for instance |
| 22:37.44 | cesarb | s/,for instance// |
| 22:37.46 | cw666 | Elrond: i dont think so, it's probably a limitation of the hw |
| 22:37.59 | cw666 | Elrond: i really dont know for sure, ive not had time to look into it in any detail |
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| 22:38.06 | thseiler | cesarb: :-) |
| 22:39.26 | Elrond | cw666 - I think, the hw can do like 5 or so endpoints. |
| 22:40.17 | thseiler | cesarb: I think, a GSM modem that does not answer a simlpe ATZ in a given timeout merits beeing resetted. Now the big trouble is: Are we capable of resoring as much of the state as the GSM modem had before beeing reset? (like cache the pin, etc...) |
| 22:41.50 | cesarb | thseiler: since the ATZ hang is always on the initial startup of gsmd, there's no state to lose |
| 22:42.04 | roh | thseiler mostly the modem is not stuck. mostly its the flowcontrol configured wrong on your app |
| 22:43.07 | cesarb | thseiler: the +COPS hang is cured by restarting gsmd and letting it send its magic initialization commands to the modem, so it's more likely gsmd getting stuck or sending commands too fast and expecting a response which will not come |
| 22:43.43 | cw666 | Elrond: have you gotten uboot working with a usb console? |
| 22:43.48 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2843 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-bt/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-bt.c): |
| 22:43.48 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-29 Stefan Schmidt <stefan@openmoko.org> |
| 22:43.48 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/openmoko-panel-bt.c: |
| 22:43.48 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Allow applet to turn the bt radio on and off. Patch from Alexandre |
| 22:43.48 | CIA-20 | openmoko: d'Alton <alex@alexdalton.org> (Closes #639) |
| 22:43.58 | cesarb | thseiler: but these are only from my experience, which is of the "bash on it until it works" kind, so it might not be completely correct |
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| 22:47.54 | Elrond | cw666 - Yes, quite nicely. I can "picocom /deb/ttyACM0" from my desktop into u-boot and play with it. |
| 22:48.18 | cw666 | Elrond: by choosing the USB console option in the uboot menu? |
| 22:49.17 | Elrond | cw666 - a) Just while the menu is displayed b) After enlarging the default bootdelay a lot; while the splash is shown. |
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| 22:50.48 | thseiler | cesarb: I unfortunately don't have much experience yet with the GSM modem, as it would not take my PIN code yet... (Swisscom USIM). |
| 22:51.40 | cesarb | thseiler: you can play with it without a SIM too |
| 22:51.51 | cesarb | thseiler: and it won't ask a PIN then |
| 22:52.25 | cw666 | Elrond: just tried that now w/o much success |
| 22:52.25 | cesarb | thseiler: of course, you can't actually dial, but if you get to where libgsmd-tool -m shell gives you the signal quality, it's already progress |
| 22:52.59 | thseiler | cesarb: now *that* would be cool. I will give it another try without sim. Thanks for the tip |
| 22:53.21 | Elrond | cw666 - cw666 While the menu is shown, you have lsusb list this: "Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1457:5119 "? |
| 22:53.26 | cw666 | yes |
| 22:54.08 | thseiler | cesarb: I see as of now that gsmd is started in runlevel 2. Runlevel 1 is empty, and in runlevel 2 we have ssh and bluetooth and some other services starting before gsmd. |
| 22:54.30 | thseiler | cesarb: could it be that we are generating high load on the CPU for starting ssh and then |
| 22:54.52 | thseiler | cesarb: while the CPU is maxed out, get some communications issued with the modem ? |
| 22:55.18 | thseiler | cesarb: did anybody try to move gsmd or dropbear into runlevel 1 ? |
| 22:55.43 | cw666 | Elrond: does your kernel have /proc/config.gz ? |
| 22:55.52 | cesarb | thseiler: I think it's unlikely, since _slowing_ gsmd down seems to help in some cases from what I've heard around here... |
| 22:55.58 | Elrond | cw - And dmesg has this for you: http://en.pastebin.ca/674124 |
| 22:56.02 | Elrond | ? |
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| 22:56.32 | cw666 | Elrond: ok, i think i see the problem here |
| 22:57.15 | Elrond | cw666 - You need cdc acm in the kernel. :) |
| 22:58.20 | cw666 | Elrond: yeah, i had usbserial, i just looked over the lsusb -v output :-) |
| 22:58.40 | thseiler | cesarb: now im surprised / confused... |
| 22:59.00 | Elrond | cw666 - Yeah, I made the same mistake :) |
| 22:59.48 | cesarb | thseiler: one of the several things speculated (and it's all speculation at this point AFAIK) on this channel is that gsmd is sending commands too soon |
| 23:00.13 | cesarb | thseiler: for instance, AT+COPS=0 just after AT+CFUN=1, without waiting for the modem to power up the radio fully |
| 23:00.46 | cesarb | thseiler: I did one personal experiment with libgsmd-tool -m shell which seems to confirm it |
| 23:00.49 | Elrond | cw666, mickeyl - ( http://en.pastebin.ca/674129 ) There seems to be support for initrd in u-boot. |
| 23:00.51 | mickeyl | but shouldn't the modem care about that and not stuck? |
| 23:01.15 | cesarb | thseiler: if I quickly send "O" and "r", it gets stuck; if I wait a few seconds between these two commands, it registers correctly |
| 23:01.22 | Stephmw | mickeyl: you're ascribing a high level of quality to a closed source item again :) |
| 23:01.34 | mickeyl | Stephmw: mmh, ya |
| 23:01.36 | cesarb | thseiler: to unstuck it, just power off with "o" and try again... |
| 23:01.36 | cw666 | Elrond: right, you can have it external but it's not *required* |
| 23:01.40 | thseiler | cesarb: its always save to assume firmware has bugs. |
| 23:01.42 | cesarb | thseiler: was very reproducible here |
| 23:01.59 | cw666 | Elrond: also, that support is to some address in memory, it's not clear how to make use of that |
| 23:02.13 | thseiler | cesarb: now that you mention it, i rember of having had the same issue earlier this evening... |
| 23:02.14 | cesarb | thseiler: of course, gsmd is at fault here: it should know what +CFUN=1 means and that it should wait for its answer before issuing any other command |
| 23:02.21 | cesarb | thseiler: gsmd pipelines way too much |
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| 23:03.03 | Elrond | cw666 - Well, reading the initrd from jffs2 / mmc would be one way. |
| 23:03.28 | Stephmw | mickeyl: having worked for an ODM, I can say with a high certainty that lots of code is held together by sticky tape and chewing gum |
| 23:03.33 | Elrond | cw666 - DFU downloading it, doesn't work so nicely, cause dfu always loads to the same adress in ram. :-| |
| 23:03.57 | thseiler | cesarb: then we need a bit more of "chat" like behaviour, i.e. waiting for the expected answer |
| 23:04.02 | cw666 | Elrond: *why* though? just make a kernel with a suitable embedded initramfs ... why make things harder than that? |
| 23:04.43 | Elrond | cw666 - Yeah, that's the other way. |
| 23:05.04 | mickeyl | Stephmw: *sigh* makes me want SCR sooner than later |
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| 23:05.12 | mickeyl | (software controlled radio) |
| 23:05.40 | thseiler | mickeyl: then you need molten salt batteries aswell... |
| 23:06.27 | roh | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.46 | thseiler | :_) |
| 23:07.18 | Stephmw | mickeyl: that'll be a regulatory nightmare for GSM though |
| 23:07.22 | cesarb | roh: just make the "lunchbox" be the handset itself |
| 23:07.46 | mickeyl | Stephmw: no doubt |
| 23:08.25 | thseiler | cesarb,roh: and you need a second one for the antenna assoriment |
| 23:08.35 | cesarb | Stephmw: the only way to make it stick would be to devise a new radio protocol (a p2p one maybe?) on a less-regulated band, and hope it grows enough to make the older protocols less relevant |
| 23:09.01 | Stephmw | cesarb: have a read of the mailing list on that topic |
| 23:09.09 | Stephmw | cesarb: it's been well discussed |
| 23:11.19 | roh | cesarb thats sadly not avaiable worldwide |
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| 23:21.40 | thseiler | cesarb: there are 3 major problems: 1) no good (tamper proof) MAC Protocol 2) Power consumption 3) Node Density Paradoxon. The thread in the mailinglist is quite extensive... |
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| 23:23.15 | thseiler | me thinks that gsmd.c already implements a wait for the first response. That would happen to be the OK after ATZ. We would just need the same mechanism for AT+CFUN=1. I will give it a try, ...tomorrow ;-) |
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| 23:34.16 | andylockran | anyone about? |
| 23:35.47 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2844 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/po/Makefile.in.in: openmoko-mediaplayer2: add po/Makefile.in.in |
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| 23:41.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Software_Bluetooth_HID_Keyboard]] [[Bluetooth]] [[P1_Owners]] |
| 23:44.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 766 has been created by cesarb(AT)cesarb.net |
| 23:44.02 | cdbot2 | * * gsmd misbehaves on back-to-back AT+CFUN=1/AT+COPS=0 |
| 23:44.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=766 |
| 23:44.23 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2845 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-mediaplayer2: fix i18n |
| 23:44.39 | Stephmw | 'night |
| 23:44.44 | mickeyl | g'night stefan_schmidt |
| 23:44.49 | mickeyl | ~lart tab completion |
| 23:44.49 | apt | puts tab completion into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of tab completion's hair of |
| 23:50.43 | cesarb | Every day a simple "make update && make all" eats an extra couple of gigabytes |
| 23:50.50 | cesarb | It should not grow as much |
| 23:51.38 | Elrond | cesarb - *duck* "disk space is cheap" is the usual crap statement to this. ;o) |
| 23:51.58 | Elrond | Anyway. Good night people. |
| 23:52.49 | cesarb | Elrond: yeah, disk space is cheap. it's also easily filled by random data, so when you look you have nothing left |
| 23:53.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 767 has been created by giles.jones(AT)zen.co.uk |
| 23:53.01 | cdbot2 | * * Usability issues in combo box menus |
| 23:53.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=767 |
| 23:53.03 | ferric | cesarb: you have INHERIT += "rm_work" |
| 23:53.04 | cesarb | Elrond: parkinson's law of data strikes again |
| 23:53.09 | ferric | cesarb: in your local.conf? |
| 23:53.27 | ferric | erk. wait, you're not using mokomakefile. |
| 23:53.32 | cesarb | ferric: that would only solve (in a kludgy way) the problem with the work area, but not with the outdated built packages or images |
| 23:53.49 | cesarb | ferric: I am using mokomakefile. I have even contributed several patches to it. |
| 23:54.16 | cesarb | ferric: I'm also using a local overlay, which makes it pretty easy for me to add extra settings to my tree if I want to |
| 23:57.19 | ynezz | something like INHERIT += "rm_outdated" would rock |
| 23:57.50 | cesarb | ynezz: precisely |
| 23:58.03 | cesarb | ynezz: on the apt world, we have "apt-get autoclean" |
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| 23:58.13 | ferric | yes, indeed. |
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| 23:58.24 | ferric | i haven't played with my moko in a while |
| 23:58.24 | ferric | :( |
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| 23:59.29 | andylockran | anyone give me advice on getting GSM working from the GUI |
| 23:59.58 | andylockran | it's while it's trying to register with network |
