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| 00:02.12 | Shoragan | mickey|froscon, still there? |
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| 00:04.51 | frma71 | jadams: I meant '/etc/init.d/gsmd start' the second time. |
| 00:12.53 | frma71 | Night.. |
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| 00:21.35 | bmidgley | i finally got stereo mp3 output |
| 00:21.58 | bmidgley | had to fiddle with the plug for a bit and it finally worked |
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| 01:14.47 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Tyler_Oderkirk]] [[User_talk:Hhf423]] [[Booting_from_SD]] |
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| 01:29.38 | Fracture | what sort of time should I expect "make openmoko-devel-image" to take ? |
| 01:29.47 | Aria | 6d? |
| 01:29.53 | Aria | Plus or minus. |
| 01:30.07 | Fracture | ok, thanks |
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| 01:34.45 | jadams | really? |
| 01:35.25 | SpeedEvil | roll a d6, then multiply by 4 |
| 01:36.12 | jadams | heh |
| 01:37.48 | Aria | Yeah, it's a huge build. |
| 01:37.58 | Aria | many, many gb of procut |
| 01:38.01 | Aria | er.. product |
| 01:38.34 | jadams | 117G free, I should be ok |
| 01:39.39 | jadams | though I do seem to be 10G out since this morning :) |
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| 01:48.41 | ZerothCloned | hey all |
| 01:49.34 | ExxonValdeez | has anyone gotten the qemu version with the mokomakefile working? it is giving me troubles with the tapping, i think it might be something with the offsets, any suggestions? |
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| 01:50.20 | jonathan_br_ba | guyz when i run my open moko under qemu some links dont work |
| 01:50.35 | jonathan_br_ba | some buttons |
| 01:50.52 | ExxonValdeez | thats just what i was asking about |
| 01:50.59 | ExxonValdeez | i havent found a solution |
| 01:51.59 | jonathan_br_ba | only us see this? |
| 01:52.27 | ExxonValdeez | no, yesterday i was talking and some other people said it happened too, but no one had a fix |
| 01:52.43 | romu1us | ExxonValdeez: I had the same problem. Issue is related to pointer calibration information which is incorrect for qemu |
| 01:52.45 | jonathan_br_ba | really? |
| 01:53.01 | jonathan_br_ba | its a problem, to develop on it no? |
| 01:53.04 | romu1us | The screen seems to think it is rotated 90 degrees. |
| 01:53.28 | romu1us | tap on the screen until you hit the list of applications |
| 01:53.31 | ExxonValdeez | romu1us: thats what i had seen when looking around on the site and in this irc, did you find a way to remedy it? |
| 01:54.05 | romu1us | Once I get the list of apps I can run terminal and then run ts_calibrate. THat fixes it for that session |
| 01:54.17 | ExxonValdeez | ah |
| 01:54.22 | romu1us | Haven't gotten around to a permanent solution yet |
| 01:55.10 | ExxonValdeez | i wonder if i could ssh into it |
| 01:55.43 | ExxonValdeez | okay, i will try that |
| 01:55.49 | ExxonValdeez | the ts_calibrate |
| 01:56.00 | ExxonValdeez | around where on the screen would you say? |
| 01:56.47 | romu1us | left hand side, half way down the screen. I just tap until I see the list of applications |
| 01:57.32 | jonathan_br_ba | ExxonValdeez: how can i connect over ssh to it? |
| 02:00.17 | ExxonValdeez | i dont know if you can jonathan_br_ba, i would think so |
| 02:01.17 | ExxonValdeez | i do no see an ssh server in the /etc/init.d/ |
| 02:01.57 | Aria | dropbear is an ssh server |
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| 02:04.08 | jonathan_br_ba | i cant load the application list |
| 02:04.20 | jonathan_br_ba | the button dont work |
| 02:04.29 | ExxonValdeez | i got it working, i just need to figure out the ssh stuff |
| 02:04.43 | ExxonValdeez | and i got the calibration |
| 02:05.14 | jonathan_br_ba | how i calibrate? |
| 02:06.28 | ExxonValdeez | you first need to get to the applications |
| 02:06.32 | ExxonValdeez | and then the terminal |
| 02:06.36 | ExxonValdeez | and then type |
| 02:06.39 | ExxonValdeez | ts_calibrate |
| 02:08.13 | mwester | hmmm... latest image -- how does one get the on-screen keyboard in the terminal emulator? |
| 02:09.03 | jadams | mwester: run 'Input Manager' |
| 02:09.06 | jadams | it's in utilities |
| 02:09.20 | jadams | I'm operating from memory since my neo's not booting right now |
| 02:09.20 | jonathan_br_ba | ExxonValdeez: the applications is in the [+] button right? |
| 02:09.27 | jadams | yup |
| 02:11.00 | ExxonValdeez | left hand side, half way down the screen. I just tap until I see the list of applications, if your calibration is still messed up |
| 02:11.38 | mwester | Input manager starts a calculator. |
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| 02:11.43 | mwester | Sigh. |
| 02:11.51 | jadams | mwester: run it from 'all' then |
| 02:12.07 | jadams | I've seen that bug on the menu for other categories (not on utilities typically though) |
| 02:12.23 | jadams | mwester: just run it from the 'all' category and it'll work |
| 02:12.30 | jadams | but it just puts a white box at the top of the screen |
| 02:12.31 | jadams | then run terminal |
| 02:12.36 | jadams | and click the white box to open the keyboard |
| 02:12.54 | Richard_ | gst-launch filesrc location=/usr/j.mp3 ! mad ! audioconvert ! esdsink, no music comes out, no error message. why? |
| 02:13.01 | sagacis | jadams: I always see the bug on utilities |
| 02:13.08 | Richard_ | madplay is ok |
| 02:13.19 | jadams | Richard_: are those exclamations and not pipes? |
| 02:13.21 | sagacis | Richard_: madplay doesn't work for me. Maybe I should install gstreamer |
| 02:13.24 | mwester | Thanks~ |
| 02:13.30 | mwester | that works... |
| 02:13.30 | sagacis | jadams: Yes. That's correct for gst-launch |
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| 02:13.34 | jadams | ahh |
| 02:13.41 | sagacis | custom pipes |
| 02:14.08 | Richard_ | jadams: no warning or error messages |
| 02:14.48 | Richard_ | sagacis: If madplay doesn't work , gst will not . gst uses libmad |
| 02:15.12 | Richard_ | Setting pipeline to PAUSED ... |
| 02:15.13 | Richard_ | Pipeline is PREROLLING ... |
| 02:15.13 | Richard_ | Pipeline is PREROLLED ... |
| 02:15.13 | Richard_ | Setting pipeline to PLAYING ... |
| 02:15.13 | Richard_ | New clock: GstAudioSinkClock |
| 02:15.41 | ExxonValdeez | is it possible to ssh into the qemu image? |
| 02:15.44 | Richard_ | jadams: my gst works when play wav |
| 02:15.46 | sagacis | Wow, I didn't even know gst was on the neo |
| 02:15.47 | jonathan_br_ba | any brazillian in the house? my english is too poor |
| 02:16.17 | sagacis | Suddenly madplay works. |
| 02:16.32 | sagacis | Why do I sometimes get "/dev/dsp in use" and other times not? |
| 02:16.34 | ExxonValdeez | i wish, i barely speak spanish even though both my parents do |
| 02:17.19 | Richard_ | sagacis: you should use soundserver with madplay. |
| 02:17.34 | sagacis | Richard_: I get ''WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "esdsink"'. Did you install another sink? |
| 02:18.20 | Richard_ | sagacis: neo is using pulseaudio, but I'm using esd. |
| 02:18.24 | sagacis | Richard_: OK, looks like I need to do some googling. I've just been piping things to madplay |
| 02:18.27 | ExxonValdeez | where do you click to go back to the home screen? |
| 02:19.21 | sagacis | ExxonValdeez: use the AUX button |
| 02:19.33 | sagacis | If you are in the app list, the bottom left button |
| 02:19.39 | sagacis | takes you to "Today" |
| 02:20.15 | ExxonValdeez | i was in contacts, i figured it out, thanks |
| 02:21.03 | jonathan_br_ba | i thin my cursor dont work fine, i cant load any buttton only by aux and power buttons |
| 02:21.42 | sagacis | ahh.... autoaudiosink |
| 02:21.58 | ExxonValdeez | and scrolling? |
| 02:21.59 | sagacis | Richard_: It works fine for me. |
| 02:22.11 | sagacis | Richard_: Did you check alsamixer settings? |
| 02:22.15 | ExxonValdeez | nvrmnd |
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| 02:23.12 | Richard_ | sagacis: volume settings is ok, because gst works when play wave file. |
| 02:23.49 | sagacis | Richard_: Right. You said that. |
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| 02:24.24 | Richard_ | sagacis: I really don't know what's wrong. |
| 02:24.59 | sagacis | Richard_: As you can tell, I'm not much help. I've seen other areas where programs just stop with no message.... |
| 02:25.10 | Richard_ | sagacis: my gst loading is slow, for several seconds. |
| 02:25.14 | sagacis | Maybe something isn't compiled into the gst on your build that esd needs? |
| 02:25.24 | sagacis | Can you try with alsasink? |
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| 02:26.46 | Richard_ | sagacis:I will try, thanks! |
| 02:28.25 | jonathan_br_ba | what a f.. how i do my moko works hehehee, i want to to explore it eheh |
| 02:30.37 | jonathan_br_ba | is it normal? whe i lick sounds a tooc tooc |
| 02:32.05 | ExxonValdeez | the clicking sound when you tap it? |
| 02:32.07 | ExxonValdeez | yeah |
| 02:33.55 | jonathan_br_ba | yes |
| 02:33.57 | ExxonValdeez | hm, well, its very interesting |
| 02:34.31 | jonathan_br_ba | how mouse button i have to user? |
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| 02:34.45 | ExxonValdeez | i think a test model would be more fun to play with as the os would actually run smoothly, thanks for the help! :) |
| 02:34.50 | Richard_ | gst use my cpu cycles 100% |
| 02:34.57 | ExxonValdeez | it was fun messing with |
| 02:35.07 | Richard_ | I thinks it's the problem |
| 02:35.47 | ExxonValdeez | jonathan_br_ba: are you still trying to calibrate your mouse? |
| 02:36.12 | jonathan_br_ba | ExxonValdeez: yes man, i cant click in nothing on the qemu |
| 02:36.29 | jonathan_br_ba | nothing works |
| 02:37.35 | jonathan_br_ba | when i user AUX and POWER somethings works but i can click on application menu |
| 02:38.21 | romu1us | jonathan_br_ba: have you been able to see the list of applications? |
| 02:39.03 | ExxonValdeez | did you try clicking where i said?, hm, lets see if google translator helps: lado da mão esquerda, incompletamente abaixo a tela. Eu bato apenas até que eu v a lista das aplicações |
| 02:39.53 | ExxonValdeez | that does not make any sense translated back into english |
| 02:40.37 | jonathan_br_ba | left hand side ? i said left screen ? |
| 02:40.43 | jonathan_br_ba | lect on screen? |
| 02:40.50 | ExxonValdeez | yes, left hand side |
| 02:41.12 | jonathan_br_ba | ohhh it load hehehe |
| 02:41.19 | jonathan_br_ba | and now |
| 02:41.21 | jonathan_br_ba | load terminal ? |
| 02:41.22 | ExxonValdeez | in the middle, click around there, hopefully the apps list with pop up, then try to search around for the terminal |
| 02:41.25 | ExxonValdeez | yes |
| 02:41.32 | ExxonValdeez | but you have to click around |
| 02:41.49 | romu1us | Once you have the list of apps, use the arrow keys and enter to run the terminal |
| 02:42.20 | jonathan_br_ba | ok |
| 02:42.33 | jonathan_br_ba | its loaded |
| 02:42.46 | ExxonValdeez | you got the terminal |
| 02:42.47 | ExxonValdeez | ? |
| 02:42.55 | jonathan_br_ba | yes |
| 02:43.01 | jonathan_br_ba | i got |
| 02:43.09 | ExxonValdeez | you ran the program? |
| 02:43.29 | jonathan_br_ba | how program i run on it to calibrate? |
| 02:43.41 | ExxonValdeez | ts_calibrate |
| 02:43.52 | ExxonValdeez | then it will make you click on the screen in various spots |
| 02:45.22 | jonathan_br_ba | i did |
| 02:45.27 | jonathan_br_ba | i will test now |
| 02:47.10 | jonathan_br_ba | ExxonValdeez: its working now hehehe thanks man, now i will fun hehe |
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| 02:53.48 | Richard_ | My madplay use about 50% cpu, what about yours? |
| 02:54.59 | gcb77_ | ExxonValdeez: if you run xstcal instead of ts_calibrate it saves the calibration information |
| 02:55.49 | sagacis | 20% on madplay |
| 02:56.03 | Richard_ | sagacis: really? |
| 02:56.52 | ExxonValdeez | gcb77: thats interesting, it seemed to do it anyway because i closed qemu and started it again but it might be because i havent restarted the whole computer, i will remeber that, thanks! :) |
| 02:57.00 | sagacis | Yup, with: 5 Layer III, 128 kbps, 44100 Hz, joint stereo (MS), no CRC |
| 02:57.01 | Richard_ | sagacis: why mine is 50%, |
| 02:57.08 | sagacis | using top to measure |
| 02:57.24 | sagacis | sounds great |
| 02:57.53 | Richard_ | sagacis: great, are you using neo? |
| 02:58.37 | ExxonValdeez | are you playing music sagacis? |
| 02:59.30 | gcb77_ | ExxonValdeez: its not xstcal, it xtscal |
| 02:59.50 | ExxonValdeez | oka |
| 02:59.51 | ExxonValdeez | y |
| 02:59.52 | ExxonValdeez | cool |
| 03:00.05 | ExxonValdeez | let me try that now so i dont forget |
| 03:00.32 | gcb77_ | ExxonValdeez: can you try starting the InputManager... it doesn't work on mine |
| 03:00.34 | ExxonValdeez | ugh, kernel update broke my sound in gutsy, thats what i get for running alpha software |
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| 03:00.49 | ExxonValdeez | i have tried multiple times, doesnt work for me either |
| 03:01.07 | Aria | Richard_: 19.7% for me |
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| 03:02.07 | Richard_ | Aria: yours is same with sagacis |
| 03:02.12 | Richard_ | sagacis: Layer III, 128 kbps, 44100 Hz, joint stereo (MS), CRC |
| 03:02.20 | Aria | Indeed. This is playing the included ringtones. |
| 03:02.51 | gcb77_ | I found a really interesting performance problem with mtpaint on the NEO last night... you might be seeing the same thing |
| 03:03.23 | gcb77_ | when I ran it from terminal, on the device, it can't draw a line, just plots points |
| 03:03.50 | gcb77_ | But when I was SSH in, exporting the display to :0 still on the device, it was much much better |
| 03:03.56 | Richard_ | Aria: my madplay is with CRC, what does it mean? |
| 03:04.12 | Aria | Richard_: Checking the CRCs of the frames for validity, on top of decoding the audio? |
| 03:05.05 | ExxonValdeez | thanks for the help! gtg |
| 03:05.07 | Richard_ | Aria: perhaps, how can I disable it? |
| 03:05.16 | Aria | Richard_: No idea. Use a file without CRCs? |
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| 03:10.07 | Richard_ | Aria: I tried ringtone_goodnight.mp3, madplay use 30% |
| 03:10.23 | Aria | You using 2007.1 or .2? |
| 03:10.23 | SpeedEvil | mplayer can use less. |
| 03:11.44 | Richard_ | .2 |
| 03:11.51 | Aria | Hm, same. |
| 03:12.40 | bmidgley | I used to be able to xhost + on neo and display apps like firefox on it |
| 03:13.01 | dcordes | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nSJo07MsZM |
| 03:13.04 | bmidgley | w/2007.2 I always get "connection refused by server" |
| 03:13.08 | Richard_ | Aria: your use 30% too with the same ringtone? |
| 03:13.17 | Aria | Nope, 20%. |
| 03:13.21 | bmidgley | is tcp turned off now in their X server |
| 03:13.42 | Aria | bmidgley: not for me |
| 03:13.56 | Richard_ | weired |
| 03:14.49 | bmidgley | what is the "-pn" argument to xfbdev for? |
| 03:15.43 | Aria | -pn |
| 03:15.43 | Aria | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:16.08 | bmidgley | hmm that's not gonna help |
| 03:16.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMokoFramework/pt]] [[MokoMakefile]] |
| 03:16.48 | Aria | netstat -lnt to see the list of listening ports |
| 03:16.51 | Aria | See if 6000 is there |
| 03:17.14 | bmidgley | Aria, yes it's listening |
| 03:17.23 | Aria | Then something more sinister is happening. |
| 03:22.22 | Richard_ | I know, I recompile libmad with -O3, it's ok now. |
| 03:23.51 | Aria | Aha! |
| 03:29.54 | bmidgley | Aria: doh! I ssh to neo and run xhost + |
| 03:30.00 | bmidgley | needed to run |
| 03:30.06 | bmidgley | DISPLAY=:0 xhost + |
| 03:31.14 | Aria | Oops! |
| 03:37.22 | bmidgley | ok so x11vnc is working, woohoo |
| 03:37.35 | bmidgley | i can see the neo's screen on my laptop and interact with it |
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| 03:38.05 | bmidgley | what's funny is my neo has greater vertical resolution than my laptop does! |
| 03:40.24 | Aria | Mine too! |
| 03:41.22 | raster | thats sad |
| 03:41.24 | raster | :( |
| 03:41.35 | raster | and stop reminding me |
| 03:41.50 | raster | i suddenly have an urge to buy a new monitor... |
| 03:41.54 | raster | must resist.... |
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| 03:42.49 | Aria | When they have 300 dpi monitors for a price I can manage, I'll be all over it. |
| 03:42.57 | raster | screw dpi |
| 03:43.00 | raster | gimme more pixels! |
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| 03:43.19 | raster | must ... have ... more .... PIXELS! |
| 03:43.29 | dcordes | you seen my moko ui on angstrom video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nSJo07MsZM |
| 03:43.57 | Aria | Hehe. DPI = more pixels. |
| 03:44.45 | Aria | I just want type at 12pt that looks good for once. |
| 03:44.55 | Aria | I'm sick of this able-to-see-grey-pixels-halo |
| 03:45.17 | raster | i'll take one of dell's new 27" 1920x1200 jobs |
| 03:45.24 | raster | just sti back a bit |
| 03:45.29 | raster | and u'll get just that |
| 03:45.42 | Aria | True true. |
| 03:45.54 | Aria | I just like a relatively near focal distance. Stupid eyes. |
| 03:46.06 | Aria | Got my mother's genes turned on a couple years ago. |
| 03:46.26 | raster | aaah |
| 03:46.35 | raster | needeth glasses |
| 04:00.00 | bmidgley | is 2007.2 any better at handling the cingular "3g" sims? |
| 04:03.51 | sagacis | bmidgley: Doubt it. |
| 04:03.58 | sagacis | I switched to a 2G sim |
| 04:04.19 | bmidgley | how |
| 04:05.27 | sagacis | Bought one on ebay and activated it on my familytalk plan |
| 04:13.51 | jadams | stiiiiiill building openmoko-devel |
| 04:17.59 | jadams | I seem to be running into whatever hhf ran into this morning with mah neo |
| 04:18.21 | jadams | left the battery out for thirty minutes, to no avail...maybe it needs more charging |
| 04:18.24 | jadams | meh |
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| 05:17.47 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:CesarB/Compiling_for_EABI]] [[Talk:Application_Development_Crash_Course]] [[User:CesarB/Using_a_local_overlay]] [[IPhone]] |
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| 06:46.36 | dietsunkist | hello |
| 06:46.39 | dietsunkist | ah ok |
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| 07:17.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[IPhone]] [[MokoMakefile]] |
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| 07:27.31 | no_mind | counter |
| 07:27.32 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic) (1804;253) |
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| 07:34.22 | philip_ | i have this interesting problem of not being able to turn on or charge my moko because of not using it for a day or two |
| 07:34.53 | philip_ | what can i do? and is there a bugreport somewhere so i can follow the status of that problem? |
| 07:37.08 | dietsunkist | philip_: take out the battery, put it back in, and start charging |
| 07:37.17 | dietsunkist | it's explained somewhere in the wiki |
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| 07:40.08 | philip_ | so there is no bug in bugzilla about the phone discharging within a day? |
| 07:42.15 | philip_ | dmesg |
| 07:43.42 | philip_ | the battery out-in thing doesnt help |
| 07:44.11 | philip_ | it seems that the neo fails to introduce itself to the usb bus, thus not getting the 500mA |
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| 07:57.04 | gcb77 | philip_: so you followed the steps? |
| 07:57.11 | gcb77 | take battery out for a minute |
| 07:57.18 | gcb77 | put battery in |
| 07:57.19 | gcb77 | plug usb |
| 07:57.23 | gcb77 | leave for 20 minutes |
| 07:57.40 | gcb77 | remove usb |
| 07:57.43 | xkr47 | faq.. |
| 07:57.43 | gcb77 | power on |
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| 08:00.44 | gcb77 | I just finished running a battery discharge test... the NEO lasted for 6.5 hours using the DIM Only APM |
| 08:01.08 | gcb77 | no GSM or BT |
| 08:01.31 | philip_ | this isn't too much |
| 08:03.38 | gcb77 | for a cpu running at full speed its not bad |
| 08:03.58 | jroman | hello, I'm trying to build the development environment with mokomakefile, but I'm getting an error with package quilt-native-0.45 -> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 08:04.11 | philip_ | does the kernel already support frequency scaling on this cpu? |
| 08:04.32 | jroman | may anmay anybody help me? |
| 08:04.49 | gcb77 | philip_: no, it has not been implemented yet... they're working on it |
| 08:05.07 | gcb77 | jroman: that looks familiar, let me look through the logs |
| 08:05.41 | philip_ | man |
| 08:05.52 | philip_ | what i'd like to see would be openmoko build kits |
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| 08:06.06 | gcb77 | jroman: what platform are you on? |
| 08:06.18 | jroman | fedora core 5 |
| 08:06.19 | philip_ | "i want a mok owith a 5" screen, no wireless but bluetooth and gps" |
| 08:06.25 | philip_ | that'd be great |
| 08:06.34 | philip_ | one could build custom appliances with that |
| 08:06.39 | philip_ | and resell them |
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| 08:07.22 | philip_ | i ordered a dev moko because i wanted to make a taxi cab app for a local cab company |
| 08:07.26 | philip_ | turns out |
| 08:07.31 | philip_ | the screen of the moko is too small |
| 08:07.49 | philip_ | which really sucks |
| 08:07.57 | philip_ | because everything else would be just right for that use case |
| 08:10.12 | gcb77 | philip_: get an iphone and hack it |
| 08:10.26 | gcb77 | except no gps |
| 08:10.29 | gcb77 | I forgot |
| 08:10.44 | cibomahto | philip: what about one of the nokia internet tablets + bluetooth gps? |
| 08:10.47 | philip_ | i do not want to give a ccompany money which does everything in their power to restrict me |
| 08:10.59 | gcb77 | jroman: I had a similar problem when I built a different app on my openSuSE box |
| 08:11.18 | philip_ | cibomahto: yeah, external gps ... closed dev process ... |
| 08:11.24 | philip_ | more expensive |
| 08:11.44 | philip_ | would've rocked if i could have used the moko for that |
| 08:12.02 | philip_ | but i still think, that this could be a business opportunity for FIC anyway |
| 08:12.15 | gcb77 | jroman: I tracked it to the configure.ac, which was looking for a path in / and using it instead of the provided path |
| 08:12.18 | philip_ | to sell build kits, which let you choose the hw configuration |
| 08:12.21 | roh | philip_ its not that openmoko does not want to do such business afaik. its about getting things done in the right order which they need to be to have a solid hard and software basis for diversification |
| 08:12.34 | gcb77 | jroman: I don't know if its the same, but its all I can think of |
| 08:12.40 | philip_ | roh: ah, great to hear |
| 08:13.05 | philip_ | sure, getting the thing to work in the first place would be awesome :) |
| 08:13.14 | philip_ | and i want umts. hehe. |
| 08:13.16 | jroman | gcb77: I'm going to try it, thanks a lot |
| 08:14.10 | roh | philip_ see the neo1973 just as the first in a line of devices. not as phone. phonecalls are just one way to use the hardware. the community and the developers who see a free platform as their home decide what it can and will do. |
| 08:15.07 | philip_ | roh: great to hear :) |
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| 08:16.57 | Richard | hi, while playing mp3, madplay uses 23% of cpu, but gst use 90%, why? |
| 08:17.23 | roh | philip_ so if you have time with your project... get a device and start playing around with it. or start with the emulator and add a serial or bluetooth nmea gps to the serial and configure qemu accordingly. then you can even develop without any hardware right away |
| 08:18.25 | roh | Richard gst is not optimized for non-hardfloat platforms yet afaik |
| 08:19.48 | Richard | roh: but gst use libmad to decode mp3, no reason to use all cpu cycles. |
| 08:20.16 | Richard | roh, on my phone, the music is not fluent. |
| 08:21.01 | Richard | Richard: |
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| 08:23.21 | Fracture | anyone have any clues : Patch fic-gta01-font-size.patch does not apply, ERROR: Task 241 (/media/workspace/openmoko/openembedded/packages/matchbox-keyboard/matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod_svn.bb, do_patch) failed |
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| 08:24.09 | dietsunkist | has anyone started localizing |
| 08:24.23 | roh | Richard if it uses libmad there should be no problem.. i dunno about other parts of the pipeline which could be using floats. i'm no expert in gst. |
| 08:25.01 | dietsunkist | i'm trying to figure out how to switch locales |
| 08:26.15 | roh | dietsunkist thats propably not yet a good idea. translations of the wiki yes.. but first the apps need to work and the userinterface be complete so the translation makes sense in the end. puzzling words will just result in 'industry style' translations i fear |
| 08:27.54 | roh | dietsunkist be shure everything will be internationalized. in the end we also have people with experience in chinese input methods on the team ;) |
| 08:30.03 | roh | when the infrastructure is in place we should eventually add another mailinglist where people can send patches and discuss the different aspects of translations. |
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| 08:46.37 | gcb77 | any suggestions on how I can trim down a dev VM built with the MokoMakefile? |
| 08:47.02 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 752 has been created by hads(AT)nice.net.nz |
| 08:47.03 | cdbot2 | * * Add pySerial package and dependancies |
| 08:47.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=752 |
| 08:47.14 | dietsunkist | i don't agree |
| 08:47.25 | blindcoder | moin |
| 08:47.44 | gcb77 | Right now it compresses to 2.5 gb, which is .5 gb more than what my webserver will work with :( |
| 08:47.59 | dietsunkist | the apps do work, some may need more work but they're usable. |
| 08:48.07 | cjb_ie | oh, 31-bit fs limitation? |
| 08:48.22 | gcb77 | cjb_ie: no, its an apache bug |
| 08:48.34 | cjb_ie | huh. what version of apache? |
| 08:48.56 | dietsunkist | enough for translation to start |
| 08:48.57 | gcb77 | cjb_ie: dunno, its dreamhost |
| 08:48.58 | dietsunkist | look at ubuntu |
| 08:49.23 | cjb_ie | i know an apache developer who used to work for one of the biggest sourceforge mirrors - trust me, apache is well able to handle e.g. DVD isos |
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| 08:50.52 | gcb77 | cjb_ie: http://forum.dreamhosters.com/troubleshooting/73674-File-2GB-is-not-showing-up-for-download.htm |
| 08:50.56 | cjb_ie | i dunno anything about dreamhost though. |
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| 08:51.41 | cibomahto | gcb77: could you split it into multiple files? |
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| 08:52.02 | gcb77 | Yeah, but it gets uglier that way |
| 08:52.07 | cibomahto | sure |
| 08:52.23 | cjb_ie | gcb77: i'd be inclined to concur with "dreamhost should get their act together" |
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| 08:52.46 | gcb77 | cjb_ie: I agree, but they're awesome compared with what I had before |
| 08:55.12 | gcb77 | In the mean time, I wonder what would happen if I remove OE.mtn and OE.mtn.bz2 |
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| 09:04.29 | PBeck | hi |
| 09:04.54 | doc|home | so, I was just thinking, it'd be really nice if there could be an xscreensaver + keyboard combo which allowed you to unlock the phone using a password |
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| 09:18.07 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Burt/Keepers]] |
| 09:18.33 | TobiX | Greetings from FrOSCon! |
| 09:20.02 | gcb77 | I ended up removing the files in the sources/ folder |
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| 09:20.47 | gcb77 | Had to make the vmdisk bigger, 20GB too |
| 09:21.30 | gcb77 | even with rm_work... it uses over 15GB while building, and then removes files |
| 09:23.00 | rwhitby | gcb77: really, even if you use rm_work from the start of the build? |
| 09:23.21 | rwhitby | it should rm_work each package as it is built |
| 09:24.20 | gcb77 | I don't know if it does, but it always failed while building glibc |
| 09:24.36 | gcb77 | I assumed it was just a really big package |
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| 09:26.21 | rwhitby | RP: any way we can fix the crossing midnight problem? or do we just have to wait for srcrev? |
| 09:29.53 | ixs | rwhitby: if it fails, delete sources and stamps and call make again. |
| 09:30.36 | rwhitby | I'd prefer to only do those that fail, not a complete rebuild. and you should never need to remove sources. |
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| 09:42.47 | ixs | rwhitby: I meant to only delete the failing sources. |
| 09:43.12 | rwhitby | the crossing-midnight bug has nothing to do with sources |
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| 09:43.34 | ixs | rwhitby: Deleting the sources actually helps as a workaround. stuff get's packaged as 20070825 and build does try to install from the 20070826 dir, which is empty. |
| 09:43.43 | ixs | that is the crossing-midnight problem I saw. |
| 09:43.48 | ixs | which one are you referring to? |
| 09:44.08 | rwhitby | I think you're talking about deleting work directories, not sources. |
| 09:44.38 | rwhitby | (I refer to "sources" as the downloaded tarballs) |
| 09:45.30 | ixs | nope, I am referring to deleting sources as in packaged svn checkouts, resulting in bitbake pulling new ones with the correct date of "today" thus working around the problem that bitbake is doing the do_ macros in the wrong dir. |
| 09:46.17 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r151 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Updated the force-rebuild target to force the rebuild all +svn versioned packages. This is a good remedy for the crossing-midnight bitbake problem. |
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| 09:57.07 | Fracture | anyone have any clues : Patch fic-gta01-font-size.patch does not apply, ERROR: Task 241 (/media/workspace/openmoko/openembedded/packages/matchbox-keyboard/matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod_svn.bb, do_patch) failed |
| 09:59.02 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 754 has been created by yoyo(AT)ghost.pl |
| 09:59.03 | cdbot2 | * * uicmoc4-native_4.3.1.bb |
| 09:59.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=754 |
| 09:59.11 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 753 has been created by yoyo(AT)ghost.pl |
| 09:59.13 | cdbot2 | * * uicmoc4-native_4.3.1.bb |
| 09:59.15 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=753 |
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| 10:10.13 | jeddy3 | apt: what are you? |
| 10:10.22 | apt | ACTION are you to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
| 10:10.22 | jeddy3 | apt? |
| 10:10.37 | jeddy3 | hmmm, what kindoff bot is he? |
| 10:11.13 | cjb_ie | have to register to ctcp version him :/ |
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| 10:14.06 | tonyg | -apt- VERSION blootbot 1.3.3 -- linux |
| 10:14.39 | jeddy3 | tonyg, k, thanks |
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| 10:25.23 | jroman | I cannot fix the make install error in quilt package :-( |
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| 11:07.32 | torpor | hiya |
| 11:10.48 | torpor | whats new folks? i'm just sitting down for an afternoon of hacking together a bit of a moko-only app .. |
| 11:10.59 | SpeedEvil | What is it? |
| 11:11.10 | SpeedEvil | A tombstoning tutorial? |
| 11:11.51 | torpor | tombstoning? |
| 11:12.16 | SpeedEvil | Leaping off high objects into the water. Frequently with bad results. |
| 11:12.17 | cjb_ie | as in components flipping up on end in reflow when the solder paste isn't fresh? |
| 11:12.47 | torpor | just about to slip into a little hot cairo/rsvg love actually |
| 11:12.58 | mickeyl | nice :) |
| 11:13.11 | mickeyl | btw. |
| 11:13.12 | mickeyl | x11vnc rocks |
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| 11:13.44 | SpeedEvil | For what? |
| 11:13.48 | mickeyl | exports your current OpenMoko session via vnc. no need to start an additional X server. |
| 11:13.58 | mickeyl | great for showing off the Neo via Laptop/Projector |
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| 11:14.18 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 11:15.28 | ixs | mickeyl: you like it? great. *g* |
| 11:16.16 | Kero | what happened in the last two weeks? |
| 11:16.26 | SpeedEvil | Relatively little. |
| 11:16.30 | SpeedEvil | 2007.2 was released |
| 11:16.53 | SpeedEvil | And many people have found it rather unstable (to be expected of course) |
| 11:17.26 | mickeyl | ixs: are you involved with that? |
| 11:17.42 | Kero | "unstable" as in funny whitescreens? or just regular crashes. |
| 11:18.25 | ixs | mickeyl: nope, I just pointed it out yesterday to someone who was asking how to show openmoko screens during a presentation. I thought you referred to that one. |
| 11:19.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Manually_using_GSM]] [[User:Burt/Keepers]] |
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| 11:22.20 | torpor | Kero: unstable as in things don't work as they should .. |
| 11:22.40 | torpor | like, its possible to crash the main interface app by opening up a few other apps and then killing them. |
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| 11:24.17 | Kero | ok. that's fixable. I've seen no cause or solution to he whitescreens, tho. |
| 11:24.36 | Kero | but then, I just switched ML delivery on, again. |
| 11:25.17 | thomasg__ | is the gta01 kernel in OE currently broken? |
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| 11:25.57 | ScaredyCat | #639 |
| 11:26.16 | Kero | is there a 'nice' program to make a phonecall, yet? |
| 11:26.24 | jadams | Kero: dialer works |
| 11:26.28 | Kero | did GPS sw get included? |
| 11:26.30 | jadams | if gsmd's working :) |
| 11:26.48 | SpeedEvil | Kero: no |
| 11:26.58 | SpeedEvil | 'real soon now' still. |
| 11:27.11 | Kero | ok, I'll be patient |
| 11:27.29 | thomasg__ | ScaredyCat, if you meant me: thanks, but it's 746 :) |
| 11:27.29 | SpeedEvil | I get the impression that all the effort is going into 2007.2 and GTA02 |
| 11:27.32 | ScaredyCat | are you telling me that cu isn't nice ? |
| 11:27.33 | Kero | jadams: and is it hard to get gsmd working? :) |
| 11:27.53 | thomasg__ | Kero, manually it's no problem at all (imho) |
| 11:28.03 | SpeedEvil | All the core team effort. |
| 11:28.20 | ScaredyCat | Kero, stop and start gsmd in the matchbox-session... apparently that improves it |
| 11:28.48 | ScaredyCat | I get the freling that they're ready to dump the 01 already SpeedEvil... |
| 11:28.53 | ScaredyCat | feeling |
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| 11:29.36 | jroman | who can i set up other gcc version with mokomakefile? |
| 11:29.44 | ScaredyCat | Kero: it might even just be a case of moving the start of gsmd to later in the bot process |
| 11:29.58 | ixs | thomasg__: basically getting gsmd working is a problem on some phones right now as the low level modem communication is hosed. |
| 11:30.01 | ixs | #256 |
| 11:30.03 | mickeyl | guys |
| 11:30.09 | mickeyl | ipkg update && ipkg install midori |
| 11:30.22 | mickeyl | works |
| 11:30.55 | ixs | mickeyl: midori as in midori linux? |
| 11:30.56 | Kero | midori gets *wonderful* results in google :) |
| 11:31.11 | ScaredyCat | midori as in the browser ixs |
| 11:31.21 | ixs | thx. |
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| 11:32.15 | torpor | mmm .. midori collins .. |
| 11:32.21 | ixs | mhm... |
| 11:32.31 | ixs | it depends on libSexy... Ahhh, my kind of software. :-) |
| 11:32.43 | jadams | midori is awesome btw |
| 11:32.44 | ixs | muahaha |
| 11:32.46 | ixs | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:32.46 | ixs | libsexy is a collection of GTK+ widgets that extend the functionality of such standard widgets as GtkEntry and GtkLabel by subclassing them and working around the limitations of the widgets. |
| 11:33.22 | torpor | screenshots? |
| 11:33.32 | ScaredyCat | scap.linux... |
| 11:33.37 | ixs | http://software.twotoasts.de/media/midori/screen1.png |
| 11:34.16 | ScaredyCat | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=2 |
| 11:34.17 | torpor | ok |
| 11:34.20 | torpor | rockin' .. |
| 11:34.23 | torpor | gonna get me some then |
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| 11:35.17 | TobiX | ixs: towo says I should slap you, you deserved it. |
| 11:36.22 | ixs | TobiX: hahaha. tell him to come to mrmcd, we can battle it out there. :) |
| 11:36.48 | ixs | TobiX: besides, did he tell you _why_ I deserved it? I'm pretty sure I'm innocent. *g* |
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| 11:41.32 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r152 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Improve the force-rebuild target - due to the crossing-midnight problem, the stamps might have a different date from the work directory, so find and delete them separately. |
| 11:41.59 | TobiX | ixs: No, he didn't, but he ran away after telling me I should tell you... |
| 11:42.09 | ixs | TobiX: good for him. :) |
| 11:42.25 | ixs | TobiX: say, do you fancy a bit of seek and slap? ;D |
| 11:43.26 | rwhitby | mickeyl: can someone email out a set of debugging step so you guys can gather enough information to fix the gsmd problem? |
| 11:43.45 | TobiX | ixs: http://www.eventphone.de/guru/phonebookquery.php?event=FrOSCon+2007&s=towo ;) |
| 11:44.03 | rwhitby | (i.e. turn on such-and-such a debugging flag, and send us this log file if gsmd doesn't work) |
| 11:44.08 | ixs | TobiX: mhm. Good idea, I should ask sasche if her got the dect triangulation to work now. :D |
| 11:44.45 | TobiX | ixs: http://wiki.froscon.de/wiki/Main_Page has the call-in-number |
| 11:45.07 | ixs | Mhm, And which number do I have to dial for a remote-lart? |
| 11:46.00 | TobiX | 8666? |
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| 11:46.37 | ixs | thanks but no sex, we spent about an hour listening to it during the camp... it's getting b00000ring. :D |
| 11:47.57 | mickeyl | rwhitby: *nod* I'll try to force someone to do that |
| 11:48.17 | ixs | mickeyl: thx. |
| 11:48.33 | Elrond | What's up with gsmd? |
| 11:48.37 | rwhitby | I expect many people want to help fix it, but don't know where to start. |
| 11:48.51 | ixs | Elrond: not gsmd, more like what's up with /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 11:49.11 | Elrond | ixs - Oh no? Not again serial line issues i nthe kernel? |
| 11:49.41 | ixs | Elrond: seems like it. #256 again reopened. |
| 11:49.50 | Elrond | *checking bug* |
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| 11:50.11 | dcordes | hi |
| 11:50.33 | Elrond | At least a nice bug# ;o) |
| 11:50.47 | dcordes | mickey|offline: you around? |
| 11:50.48 | ixs | Elrond: ack. I did a double take first, then had a nice chuckle... |
| 11:51.15 | rwhitby | mickeyl: It'd also be really good if someone turned off the pcf50606_work SECOND ADCRDY stuff that gets printed every 10 seconds, so you can actually see real problems in /var/log/messages ... |
| 11:51.57 | Elrond | You guys really break everything, right? ;o) |
| 11:52.10 | rwhitby | that's our job |
| 11:52.41 | Elrond | I'll keep my install on the neo for another month. :) |
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| 11:56.20 | Elrond | mickeyl - I looked a bit on running eabi and oabi in paralell. This would work in theory, as they use different names for /lib/ld-linux.so.* (* = 2 for oabi, * = 3 for eabi). ld-linux.so. just would need a high priority dedicated search path, which it searches before the normal ones. So that the oabi one can find the oabi libraries in /usr/arm-mumble-oabi/lib and not use the eabi ones in /lib or /usr/lib. |
| 11:57.50 | rwhitby | Elrond: how about using -rpath when linking? |
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| 11:58.11 | raster | curiosn |
| 11:58.25 | raster | whats the difference between eabi and oabi? |
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| 11:58.59 | dcordes_ | any way to contact mickey|offline other than irc? |
| 11:59.16 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: the trivial solution would be a chroot |
| 11:59.18 | Elrond | dcordes_ - mail? |
| 11:59.18 | rwhitby | rabble: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
| 11:59.36 | rwhitby | s/rabble/raster/ |
| 11:59.39 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Which needs space, which we don't have. |
| 12:00.10 | Elrond | rwhitby - We have one oabi binary, which we can't relink. ;o) |
| 12:00.29 | rwhitby | Elrond: nod |
| 12:00.51 | rwhitby | I wonder if there is any way to edit the binary to use a different rpath ... |
| 12:01.10 | raster | rwhitby: thats ok- i'm not much better than rabble :) |
| 12:01.24 | raster | (the thing - not the person) |
| 12:02.21 | raster | ooh i see |
| 12:02.36 | raster | this is new |
| 12:02.43 | Elrond | rwhitby - In theory ELF is editable. ;) |
| 12:03.59 | Elrond | rwhitby - http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/elfsh comes to mind. |
| 12:04.06 | raster | makes sense |
| 12:04.11 | raster | gimme eabi any day |
| 12:04.12 | raster | :) |
| 12:04.34 | Elrond | raster - The OM2007.2 builds are eabi. |
| 12:04.51 | torpor | Elrond: the open2x linux guys have this problem nailed already, and the chroot isn't that big to be honest. |
| 12:05.00 | raster | Elrond: hmmm that assumes they build without error |
| 12:05.03 | raster | :) |
| 12:05.16 | Elrond | raster - ;o) |
| 12:05.27 | Elrond | torpor - Any URL? |
| 12:05.36 | raster | i've given up for now |
| 12:05.41 | raster | better things to do |
| 12:05.47 | raster | like make a psplash replacement |
| 12:05.49 | torpor | ABI issues are best sorted by getting the port toolkit under control, imho, and building the hell out of everything that you could possibly want on either ABI's .. |
| 12:05.58 | torpor | open2x.org |
| 12:05.58 | raster | just writing up some docs on it |
| 12:06.04 | raster | as i finished the code last night |
| 12:06.10 | raster | and made a sample theme today |
| 12:06.17 | Elrond | raster - Right. Seeing, that the serial line has issues (which is the core thing *I* need), I can't upgrade anyway. |
| 12:06.31 | ixs | Elrond: still on .1? |
| 12:07.00 | Elrond | ixs - Yes, of course. |
| 12:07.13 | Elrond | ixs - I need a working and stable kernel *with* serial line. |
| 12:07.20 | ixs | Elrond: did you get the speaker to work during voice calls? |
| 12:07.35 | raster | Elrond: fair enough :) |
| 12:07.36 | Elrond | ixs - I never did a call with my neo. ;o) |
| 12:07.39 | ixs | with .1 I get a working serial line, but the speaker's do not do anything for the love of god. |
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| 12:07.47 | ixs | Elrond: tsktsktsk. |
| 12:08.07 | torpor | my speakers stopped working .. or something. |
| 12:08.36 | Elrond | ixs - SpeedEvil put it nicely: "It's a pentium 100 desktop, that noone has told it, that it's a phone". I haven't told mine, that it is a phone. ;o) |
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| 12:09.07 | ixs | Elrond: yeah. Like I said, it's a great embedded linux device, but the phone is crap. |
| 12:09.17 | Elrond | Right. |
| 12:09.27 | ixs | and I just want the phone. :) |
| 12:09.32 | Elrond | And it's a cool low level gps lab. |
| 12:09.46 | torpor | can someone do this and tell me the result: find /sys/devices -name "*sound*" | wc |
| 12:10.02 | ixs | Elrond: voice, sms, gprs, openvpn, gps. in that order. |
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| 12:10.51 | Elrond | ixs - hehe. :) |
| 12:11.00 | Elrond | <-- heads for food. :) |
| 12:11.12 | torpor | <-- doesn't eat heads. |
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| 12:12.01 | ixs | Elrond: good idea, I think I'm gonna hunt myself some kind of dönertier... |
| 12:12.04 | mickeyl | l8er |
| 12:12.16 | Vegar | talk? |
| 12:12.18 | Vegar | where+ |
| 12:12.21 | ixs | fr0scon |
| 12:12.48 | ScaredyCat | seems like a lot of talking and .... |
| 12:13.17 | dcordes_ | http://www.zeec.de/froscon1.html |
| 12:13.51 | ScaredyCat | mmm... |
| 12:14.46 | ScaredyCat | you think we can try that n the neo? |
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| 12:25.06 | torpor | of course |
| 12:25.51 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:25.57 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:31.43 | Linux_Galore | just when you think you have seen every phone ever made something turns up to makes you go WTF is that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HV6-yBjRZw |
| 12:35.05 | RP | rwhitby: srcrev is the best solution to the midnight problem |
| 12:35.42 | rwhitby | ok |
| 12:35.43 | RP | rwhitby: It doesn't solve it for CVS but to solve that we're still going to need new bitbake features like the persistent data store |
| 12:35.47 | Linux_Galore | found some better pics http://justamp.blogspot.com/2007/05/mio-a701-gps-pda-gets-cloned.html |
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| 12:39.05 | DukeOfURL | good morning |
| 12:39.08 | SpeedEvil | Linux_Galore: But will it... |
| 12:39.40 | DukeOfURL | my openmoko-devel-images just completed, and I have seven divverent uBoot images |
| 12:39.55 | ixs | DukeOfURL: that is normal. |
| 12:40.02 | DukeOfURL | which one (if any) should I flash to the device? |
| 12:40.13 | Linux_Galore | SpeedEvil: just checked and its a clone of Mio A701 with a TV tuner thrown in |
| 12:40.15 | ixs | DukeOfURL: probably gta01bv4 is the right one for you if you ordered from direct. |
| 12:40.27 | ixs | DukeOfURL: otherwise, do not flash any uboot images, if you do not have a debug board. |
| 12:40.50 | ixs | DukeOfURL: or even ebtter, take the last advice as general advice |
| 12:40.59 | DukeOfURL | ok |
| 12:42.20 | andylockran | hey guys - need a bit of advice |
| 12:42.40 | andylockran | I lent my neo to my brother, who took it on holiday - it's come back empty of charge |
| 12:42.51 | ScaredyCat | eat the red pill |
| 12:43.34 | andylockran | how can I recharge the neo battery I've got a nokie BL-5C charging next door if I need it - but can I bring the neo battery back to life? |
| 12:43.50 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 12:43.51 | SpeedEvil | See Neo1973 Charging on the wiki |
| 12:43.59 | ScaredyCat | plug it in, don;t power it up |
| 12:44.41 | andylockran | sorry if it was on the wiki - just checking now. I thought I'd read it |
| 12:47.20 | andylockran | is the wiki still working - Main_Page is blank for me |
| 12:47.23 | andylockran | was working two minutes ago |
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| 12:47.47 | andylockran | back working now... weird |
| 12:50.11 | aloril | (script) planet: Rod Whitby: Debugging gsmd failures on OpenMoko http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/openmoko/debugging-gsmd-failures-on-openmoko.html |
| 12:51.18 | rwhitby | http://pastebin.ca/671171 <- can anyone see why +CREG is not being recognised as a response to +COPS ? |
| 12:51.51 | andylockran | thanks for the heads-up on that |
| 12:52.25 | rwhitby | DukeOfURL: look under the battery - there should be a sticker saying what model you have. Make sure it matches exactly if you decide to flash uboot. |
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| 12:53.54 | Ghiottone | hello |
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| 12:55.09 | Ghiottone | I'm trying to write a program that should link to libipkg. How do I do that? |
| 12:55.59 | rwhitby | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gsmd-devel/2007-August/000205.html <- any answers welcomed |
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| 12:58.53 | ixs | rwhitby: about your blog entry, shouldn't /tmp/gsmd.log contain the needed info? |
| 12:59.22 | rwhitby | ixs: no such file on my neo |
| 12:59.50 | DukeOfURL | rwhitby: thanks. the flash appears to be successful. what is the status of the GSM bits |
| 13:00.06 | rwhitby | DukeOfURL: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gsmd-devel/2007-August/000205.html is my status |
| 13:00.30 | rwhitby | ixs: what's turning on /tmp/gsmd.log on your neo? |
| 13:00.33 | ixs | rwhitby: ohh. interesting. mine loggs to /tmp/. you#re running the latest snapshot I guess? |
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| 13:00.47 | ixs | rwhitby: can't check, I do not have the moko with me and am on the road |
| 13:01.06 | rwhitby | ixs: this is 2007.08 snapshot, ipkg updated yesterday from snapshots and updates feeds. |
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| 13:03.36 | ixs | rwhitby: interesting. I'll be back tomorrow and have a look at the initscritps then. |
| 13:05.16 | rwhitby | ixs: ah, you mean /tmp/gsm.log, which has stdout and stderr from gsmd. |
| 13:06.15 | ixs | rwhitby: ahh. right. |
| 13:06.36 | ixs | that should give a bit of insight into gsmd, shouldn't it? |
| 13:07.19 | andylockran | is there anywhere we can view the presentations that Sean et al. give about openmoko? other than youtube anyway? |
| 13:07.37 | rwhitby | stuff probably goes to syslog, and you might be able to see it if you set the syslog level differently, but there is so much other stuff being logged (e.g. power management ACRDY stuff every 10 seconds) that it's much more convenient to log to a separate file. And yes I know I could do that with syslogd, but I'm too lazy to work out the syntax for that when gsmd has a nice -l option :-) |
| 13:08.05 | ixs | :) |
| 13:08.53 | rwhitby | ixs: how embarrassing, yes it's all in /tmp/gsm.log |
| 13:10.03 | ixs | hehe. :-) |
| 13:10.09 | ixs | PrtScr to the rescue. |
| 13:10.29 | ScaredyCat2 | did any ever get round to using a 4gb sd |
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| 13:12.21 | Ghiottone | did anyone managed to install programs on the sd card? |
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| 13:14.23 | ScaredyCat2 | simlink it |
| 13:14.26 | mdt | Ghiottone, shure... what's the problem with that? |
| 13:14.30 | ScaredyCat2 | symlink |
| 13:15.17 | dcordes_ | mickey's speech beginning http://www.zeec.de/froscon1.html |
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| 13:15.57 | mdt | Ghiottone, i reformatted mine to be ext2, vfat may be a problem... |
| 13:16.20 | andylockran | dcordes_: I wish I could speak german... |
| 13:17.31 | Bryce_Leo | what a sec what phne is that up on the pres screen? |
| 13:17.52 | andylockran | Bryce_Leo: what screen? |
| 13:18.10 | Bryce_Leo | if you were checkign out the froscon feed like 35 seconds ago |
| 13:18.38 | Bryce_Leo | and it's on again |
| 13:19.15 | ScaredyCat2 | yeah... not a neo! |
| 13:19.17 | Bryce_Leo | yeah |
| 13:19.31 | Bryce_Leo | i know no german, but that looks like an ericson |
| 13:19.52 | Ghiottone | mdt, yeah that was what I was thinking to do. but then, how do you install programs on the card? |
| 13:19.57 | rwhitby | it's the part of his presentation where he's saying "why can't my current phone do these things" |
| 13:20.08 | Bryce_Leo | thanks rwhitby |
| 13:20.21 | Bryce_Leo | now it makes sense |
| 13:20.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page/cs]] |
| 13:20.59 | mdt | Ghiottone, scp? |
| 13:21.55 | Ghiottone | I was thinking more about ipkg |
| 13:21.55 | Ghiottone | I mean, how to install existing packages on the media card |
| 13:22.32 | ScaredyCat2 | use symlinks |
| 13:22.52 | ScaredyCat2 | ooops 2 mins battery power on lappy... |
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| 13:23.10 | mdt | Ghiottone, or tell configure to install somewhere else. |
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| 13:23.23 | dcordes_ | ScaredyCat2: he compared neo with other phones to show off downsides like no .ogg playback and such |
| 13:24.18 | ixs | rwhitby: could you try to see if your serial line is okay? or if it's just the gsmd having problems? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM |
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| 13:25.02 | rwhitby | ixs: it looks like gsmd is not responding to a GSMD_NETREG_UNREG_BUSY unsolicited response, and that is confusing it to the point where it can't continue. |
| 13:25.18 | rwhitby | I'm deep in unsolicited.c now, looking into it. |
| 13:25.19 | Ghiottone | mdt, mmm yeah they need to be reconfigured :( |
| 13:25.27 | ScaredyCat2 | dcordes_: I just caught what I thought was a good idea, detecting other people's phones (bt) and switching mode |
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| 13:25.52 | ixs | rwhitby: yeah, saw your mail. I was just wondering if the serial line is working. I've seen similar problem as you (COPS send repeatedly) but it turns out, the serial line wasn't even working... |
| 13:25.54 | mdt | Ghiottone, i would like the idea to symlink /usr/bin, /usr/share, ... |
| 13:26.09 | rwhitby | ixs: I can get it to register manually |
| 13:26.12 | mdt | Ghiottone, you may link /usr/local and build your package for thaht |
| 13:26.21 | Ghiottone | mdt, good idea |
| 13:26.35 | mdt | Ghiottone, or you mount your sd there anyway ;) |
| 13:26.39 | rwhitby | Ghiottone: ipkg has support for installing on different paths. |
| 13:26.49 | ixs | rwhitby: okay, in that case, your problem is different then mine and only limited to gpsd |
| 13:26.53 | Ghiottone | yes I saw |
| 13:27.17 | Ghiottone | but reconfiguration problem is still there |
| 13:27.30 | rwhitby | Ghiottone: ipkg-link |
| 13:27.38 | Ghiottone | what's that ? |
| 13:27.40 | alech | so I got hold of a gllin phase0 binary, but now it does not seem to work ... when I do gllin -low 5 (as described on GPS_scripts), I get a 'gllin: early exit(3) in halInit()/681' ... - anyone seen this before? |
| 13:28.41 | rwhitby | Ghiottone: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/ipkg-utils/ipkg-link_1.6+cvs20050404.bb |
| 13:28.45 | ScaredyCat2 | ipkg-link - first few google results seem to be problems |
| 13:29.13 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat2: most stuff on the internet is problems. people don't usually post when things work ... |
| 13:29.36 | ScaredyCat2 | there are problems and challenges |
| 13:29.50 | Bryce_Leo | rwhitby: great point. Users at businesses and universties never think "man these computers work great, i think those IT folks are doing great!" |
| 13:30.01 | Bryce_Leo | that pretty much applies accross the board |
| 13:30.21 | sagacis | moin |
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| 13:30.53 | Ghiottone | wow |
| 13:31.13 | Shoragan | alech, please don't distribute leaked versions of gllin |
| 13:31.25 | ScaredyCat2 | rwhitby: in the presentation? |
| 13:31.27 | Shoragan | it wont work in the current images anyway |
| 13:31.36 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat2: yeah |
| 13:31.39 | ixs | rwhitby: nope. gta01 |
| 13:31.42 | ScaredyCat2 | bugger ... |
| 13:31.49 | rwhitby | ixs: how do you tell? |
| 13:32.05 | ixs | rwhitby: he said something about having a gta01 earlier |
| 13:32.47 | rwhitby | ok. the feed to australia is so choppy I'm missing half of it, even if I did speak german. |
| 13:32.57 | ixs | rwhitby: mhm,. video is choppy. but sound is okay. |
| 13:33.10 | Bryce_Leo | ScaredyCat2: http://www.zeec.de/froscon1.html |
| 13:33.14 | Bryce_Leo | that the link you're looing for? |
| 13:33.28 | ScaredyCat2 | ta |
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| 13:33.56 | ScaredyCat2 | it's in foreign though ;) |
| 13:34.01 | Bryce_Leo | lol yes it is |
| 13:34.05 | Bryce_Leo | i want that phone up there though |
| 13:34.34 | ScaredyCat2 | yeah.. not very practical |
| 13:34.45 | Bryce_Leo | lol sometimes cool is way way better than practical |
| 13:34.47 | ScaredyCat2 | 2 hands to hold it, how do you dial? |
| 13:34.54 | Bryce_Leo | with your left thumb |
| 13:35.24 | ScaredyCat2 | .. I guess by the time it's produced the human race will have evolved into having 3 hands |
| 13:35.39 | Bryce_Leo | pshh or tentacles |
| 13:35.39 | sagacis | It's a polymer-vision screen. I believe it's mean to roll in and out like a scroll. |
| 13:36.10 | sagacis | http://www.polymervision.com/ProductsApplications/Vision/Index.html |
| 13:36.32 | ScaredyCat2 | yes, but you'd need to hold it |
| 13:36.33 | Bryce_Leo | sweet deal, nice find sagacis |
| 13:37.10 | ScaredyCat2 | ie one hand for the main part, the other for the right side |
| 13:37.27 | ScaredyCat2 | day of the tentacle |
| 13:37.33 | Bryce_Leo | lol |
| 13:37.38 | sagacis | Bryce_Leo: It was on the slide in english ;-) |
| 13:37.57 | Bryce_Leo | hahahahah sagacis i didn't even notice!! i just assumed it was german |
| 13:38.03 | ScaredyCat2 | cool |
| 13:38.06 | raster | werd |
| 13:38.11 | ScaredyCat2 | my screenshot gets shown! |
| 13:38.14 | raster | let ther be splashiness |
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| 13:40.40 | ixs | hrhrhr. |
| 13:40.45 | ixs | a little snide against rasterman. |
| 13:41.06 | ixs | the guy had more eyecande then a human can stand, already in the 90s. |
| 13:41.10 | ixs | (enlightenment) |
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| 13:41.40 | Bryce_Leo | ixs: huh? |
| 13:41.52 | Bryce_Leo | snide? |
| 13:42.31 | ixs | yeah, but a friendly one. |
| 13:42.41 | raster | whats wrong with eyecandy? |
| 13:42.51 | raster | apple do quite nicely selling it |
| 13:42.57 | raster | thos ewho dont like it |
| 13:43.01 | raster | too bad |
| 13:43.05 | raster | they are the minority |
| 13:43.09 | raster | they are generally nerds |
| 13:43.12 | ixs | raster: yeah, I know. He meant it in a funny way. |
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| 13:43.27 | raster | the majority of peolpe on the planet do care how things that are personal to them look |
| 13:43.28 | ScaredyCat2 | geekfight! |
| 13:43.28 | raster | :) |
| 13:43.31 | sagacis | rwhitby: Are you having registration problems on boot, or later? |
| 13:43.36 | Bryce_Leo | i was just splashys splashys because it sounded funny..... |
| 13:43.42 | raster | and i'm all about making that possible |
| 13:43.44 | raster | :) |
| 13:44.04 | raster | rwhitby: dont worry |
| 13:44.10 | raster | my screen is just filled with xterms |
| 13:44.22 | raster | most of the time |
| 13:44.34 | ixs | raster: it was like: then that black phone came out with all the eyecandy and we decided we want that as well. thus we're using/looking at enlightenment libs (or somewhat, sound stopped there for a sec). Enlightenment is a window manager from Rasterman which is available for quite some time now. It already offered more eyecandy than humans can stand back in the 90s. |
| 13:44.41 | rwhitby | yeah, but yours probably have nice window decorations and transparency and stuff :-) |
| 13:45.02 | raster | hahahahah |
| 13:45.12 | raster | rwhitby: just decoratiopns |
| 13:45.14 | raster | no transparency |
| 13:45.15 | raster | :) |
| 13:45.19 | raster | blak bg's |
| 13:45.20 | raster | black |
| 13:45.22 | jadams | raster: eterms? |
| 13:45.24 | raster | nuop |
| 13:45.27 | raster | xterms |
| 13:45.30 | jadams | k |
| 13:45.33 | raster | i wanted utf8 support |
| 13:45.37 | jadams | I run gnome-terminal |
| 13:45.43 | raster | too bggy for me |
| 13:45.46 | raster | buggy |
| 13:45.49 | jadams | 85% of my time on a computer is spent in a term |
| 13:45.51 | raster | i run dozens of terminals at a time |
| 13:45.51 | rwhitby | sagacis: I've never been able to get a gsm icon with anything other than a question mark. I can restart gsmd and register via libgsmd-tool fine. |
| 13:45.53 | raster | when it crashes |
| 13:45.54 | raster | all go |
| 13:45.56 | raster | way too bad |
| 13:45.57 | jadams | buggy how? It's just faster than an xterm for me |
| 13:46.00 | jadams | ahh |
| 13:46.01 | raster | also much slower to start |
| 13:46.06 | jadams | I've never had it crash on me |
| 13:46.09 | raster | i have |
| 13:46.11 | jadams | k |
| 13:46.12 | raster | plenty of times |
| 13:46.18 | raster | i can handle a crash |
| 13:46.24 | raster | but when it happens about once a day |
| 13:46.28 | raster | and brings down every term i have |
| 13:46.32 | jadams | I typically just run eight or ten terms in one gnome terminal fullscreen on my first desktop |
| 13:46.35 | raster | with state, command,s history, editors, src, etc. |
| 13:46.38 | raster | i get really miffed |
| 13:46.42 | ScaredyCat2 | hehe.. I powered my neo on the other day... it registered and gave me 3 bars |
| 13:46.45 | jadams | I'm not doing enough with my terms, clearly :) |
| 13:46.52 | ScaredyCat2 | I was like, "WTF!" |
| 13:47.07 | ixs | mickey|offline: just a note for the next time: repeat questions from the audience. ;) Guessing the question from the answer is a bit difficult sometimes. |
| 13:48.04 | rwhitby | sagacis: I'm now thinking that whatever higher-level app does registration is not reconising the UNREG_BUSY response, and continuing to try and register rather than just waiting for the successful response which follows when I do it manually. |
| 13:48.31 | rwhitby | anyone know what does the registration at the higher-level? |
| 13:49.02 | rwhitby | is it the dialer, or the gsm icon, or something else? |
| 13:49.34 | ixs | rwhitby: mhm. kill everything and just use one tool at a time. strace it. |
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| 13:50.00 | jgm | <sigh> |
| 13:50.01 | rwhitby | ixs: it all works manually - the problem is getting it to work automatically on boot |
| 13:50.27 | ixs | rwhitby: yeah, but that way you might be able to see, which one fucks it up? |
| 13:50.41 | jgm | Gah, qemu *still* wants gcc 3.x? |
| 13:51.06 | rwhitby | ixs: if I knew what is driving gsmd at the application level, I can just look in the source code to see whether it handles the UNREG_BUSY response. |
| 13:51.34 | Kensan | rwhitby: it seems to be openmoko-dialer2, but I am not sure about that. |
| 13:51.36 | ixs | rwhitby: strace could help a bit... |
| 13:51.49 | rwhitby | Kensan: that just seems to send dbus messages somewhere. |
| 13:52.11 | jgm | rwhitby: I think that it might be libgsmd, not sure though |
| 13:52.54 | rwhitby | looks like it's libmokogsmd2 |
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| 13:53.12 | rwhitby | _moko_gsmd_connection_eventhandler |
| 13:54.20 | rwhitby | and indeed it doesn't seem to handle UNREG_BUSY explicitly |
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| 13:58.23 | Kensan | rwhitby: do you have any logs from the application side? gsmd_connection_eventhandler seems to indicate unhandeled event types... |
| 13:58.50 | raster | rwhitby: http://www.rasterman.com/files/screen-normal.png |
| 13:58.58 | raster | thats a normal regular screen for me |
| 13:59.05 | raster | not... exciting |
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| 14:03.45 | Elrond | raster - What font are you using there? And what editor? |
| 14:03.52 | raster | Elrond: editor is jed |
| 14:03.55 | raster | font is nexus |
| 14:05.28 | Bryce_Leo | raster: i've always liked montecarlo myself |
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| 14:06.54 | rwhitby | Kensan: the event type is handled. the netreg.state is not. |
| 14:07.05 | rwhitby | GSMD_EVT_NETREG only explicitly handles two out of the six valid gsmd_netreg_state values. |
| 14:07.32 | Elrond | raster - Hmm, the nexus font looks fun. What a pity, that it's not available in larger. |
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| 14:08.48 | rwhitby | you could fit a good extra 10 lines of text vertically. |
| 14:09.17 | Kensan | rwhitby: ic |
| 14:09.49 | rwhitby | Kensan: too late for me to debug it tonight - will look at it tomorrow if I get some time. |
| 14:09.55 | rwhitby | night all |
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| 14:10.33 | raster | Bryce_Leo: i like nexus. i drew it about 10 years ago. i havent changed terminal font since. |
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| 14:10.53 | raster | Elrond: as above. i drew it as a bdf bitmap font over 10 years ago. |
| 14:11.00 | raster | rwhitby: hahahaha |
| 14:11.27 | raster | rwhitby: no - maybe 5 on average |
| 14:11.28 | raster | 10 in extremes |
| 14:11.31 | Elrond | raster - Well, imagine it at 3200x2400 on a 10" screen. ;o) |
| 14:11.32 | raster | didums |
| 14:11.42 | raster | Elrond: perfect! |
| 14:11.42 | raster | :) |
| 14:11.47 | raster | just what i want |
| 14:12.55 | Elrond | Well, then s/10"/0.5"/ ;o) |
| 14:13.53 | jadams | hurrah, compiled hello world on the moko...but not using bitbake, etc. yet |
| 14:14.32 | Elrond | jadams - _on_ or _for_? |
| 14:15.01 | jadams | for |
| 14:15.05 | jadams | cross compiled and ran |
| 14:15.06 | jadams | still |
| 14:15.30 | jadams | first non-MokoMakefile cross-compiling I've ever done |
| 14:15.54 | jadams | I just don't get to cross compile as much as I'd like, coding in Ruby all day :) |
| 14:17.19 | Bryce_Leo | raster: haha wow, if it works why change it |
| 14:17.26 | bmidgley | ixs: x11vnc is working fine for displaying my neo |
| 14:17.37 | ixs | bmidgley: great. |
| 14:17.41 | bmidgley | too slow for scrolling so I'll have to show off the other stuff |
| 14:17.44 | bmidgley | http://flamebot.com/cgi-bin/pyblosxom.cgi/x11vnc.html |
| 14:18.27 | raster | Bryce_Leo: bingo |
| 14:18.27 | raster | :) |
| 14:18.32 | dcordes_ | that was one nice speech |
| 14:19.11 | rwhitby | Kensan: looks like the problem might be even further upstream. moko-gsmd-connection.c looks like it's just a messenger for a signal which goes elsewhere. |
| 14:19.44 | rwhitby | ah, of course - I'm looking for the app which links against libmokogsmd2. |
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| 14:23.17 | ixs | rwhitby: find -type f | xargs ldd | grep libmokogsmd2 |
| 14:24.52 | rwhitby | looks like the problem is register_network_cb in moko-dialer.c |
| 14:25.13 | rwhitby | "We check whether we've been registered yet, otherwise keep poking gsmd" |
| 14:26.15 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/exquisite-02.avi |
| 14:26.21 | Kensan | rwithby: so my wild guess was right after all? *haha* |
| 14:26.23 | raster | viable psplash replacement |
| 14:26.30 | raster | justa demo theme right now |
| 14:26.34 | rwhitby | so it keeps sending +COPS=0 even though the modem said it was busy. |
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| 14:26.53 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/exquisite-01.png |
| 14:26.58 | raster | for somethng slightly better quality |
| 14:27.17 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/exquisite-0.0.1.tar.gz |
| 14:27.20 | raster | for src and docs |
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| 14:27.26 | raster | my job here is done |
| 14:27.27 | raster | :) |
| 14:27.28 | rwhitby | Kensan: still need to work out whether the responsibility for waiting until the modem is no longer busy lies with libmokogsmd2 or the dialer application ... |
| 14:27.51 | jroman | hello, what cat i do to change gcc version to compile qemu with mokomakefile? |
| 14:28.08 | jroman | I have a gcc-3.4 installed out of path |
| 14:28.34 | Kensan | rwhitby: that should probably be handled by the application. it's *lib*gsmd after all... |
| 14:28.38 | jroman | i need pass -cc=path_to_gcc-3.4 to qemu configure |
| 14:29.09 | ixs | jroman: edit the bitbake receipe then? |
| 14:30.05 | rwhitby | Kensan: yeah, I guess the application will need that information to display "searching, searching, ..." |
| 14:30.06 | jroman | ixs: no i don't |
| 14:30.20 | rwhitby | jroman: which host distro? |
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| 14:30.45 | ixs | jroman: do that then. |
| 14:31.02 | ixs | ~mokohome/openembedded/packages and look there. |
| 14:31.35 | rwhitby | ixs: my advice to jroman would be to install gcc-3.4 on his host distro |
| 14:31.39 | jroman | rwhitby: FC5 |
| 14:32.05 | rwhitby | so why can't you get gcc-3.4 or something to install on your path where the qemu configure script can find it? |
| 14:32.09 | Kensan | rwhitby: yes, that's what I am thinking. The application needs to signal that state to the user. |
| 14:32.26 | jroman | ixs: you mean at moko/openembedded/packages/qemu/*bb files |
| 14:32.36 | ixs | jroman: jupp |
| 14:32.45 | ixs | jroman: uhh, when you have fedora. |
| 14:33.06 | ixs | jroman: just yum install it. |
| 14:33.22 | ixs | jroman: compat-gcc-34 |
| 14:33.53 | rwhitby | Kensan: moko-dialer.c, line 430 - on NETREG_SEARCHING priv->registered is set to TRUE. |
| 14:33.57 | Kensan | bmidgley: is anybody working on getting (Free)NX running? |
| 14:33.58 | ixs | rwhitby: Installing the host gcc is my suggestion as well, I just thought that he might be using one of these exceedingly cool distros such as gentoo. |
| 14:34.43 | rwhitby | ixs: if he was, he would deserve not to be able to build anything reliably ... ;-) |
| 14:34.55 | jroman | ixs: thx |
| 14:35.18 | jroman | rwhitby: thx |
| 14:35.24 | Kensan | rwhitby: it seems that it's not fully implemented then. |
| 14:35.50 | ixs | rwhitby: you wish. :D |
| 14:36.13 | Ghiottone | nite rwhitby :) |
| 14:36.43 | Kensan | rwhitby: did you file a bug? |
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| 14:41.25 | rwhitby | Kensan: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=755 |
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| 14:41.46 | Kensan | rwhitby: great, if I find something else I will attach to that bug then. :) |
| 14:42.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 755 has been created by rod(AT)whitby.id.au |
| 14:42.01 | cdbot2 | * * Dialer assumes UNREG_BUSY will eventually register correctly |
| 14:42.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=755 |
| 14:43.52 | _buz | any plans to provide that as a vm? |
| 14:46.08 | bmidgley | Kensan: good question but I don't know much about it |
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| 14:47.44 | Kensan | bmidgley: NX should work very well. |
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| 14:49.50 | jadams | raster: what's exquisite? |
| 14:50.01 | raster | psplash drop-in replacement |
| 14:50.10 | raster | but u dont have to compile themes in c |
| 14:50.17 | raster | it also is resolution agnostic |
| 14:50.25 | raster | and all the usual pretty eyecandy like stuff u get from me |
| 14:50.42 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/ |
| 14:50.43 | jadams | :) |
| 14:50.43 | raster | explains |
| 14:50.58 | raster | if u want splashscreens that are purty |
| 14:51.02 | raster | smooth and sexy |
| 14:51.21 | raster | (no limit to 8bpp or 16bpp- internally it'll run in 32bpp and render down to 15/16bpp if needed in the fb) |
| 14:51.34 | raster | advantages are if u are doing a theme - u can do it all in x in a window |
| 14:51.39 | raster | and test the anims and look |
| 14:51.47 | raster | as it also runs in x |
| 14:52.35 | jadams | awesome |
| 14:52.40 | jadams | this going to be running on the neo? |
| 14:52.43 | Bryce_Leo | and thus why raster is the man |
| 14:52.45 | raster | can use opengl, xrender too |
| 14:52.51 | raster | runs in fb |
| 14:53.07 | raster | does all the usual fady, scaley,, 2d effects |
| 14:53.11 | raster | see the videos |
| 14:53.20 | raster | primarily its the same usage as psplash |
| 14:53.26 | raster | drop-in compatbility command-wise |
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| 14:53.29 | jadams | I watched both videos |
| 14:53.31 | jadams | cool |
| 14:53.32 | raster | except its a little cleaner |
| 14:53.33 | raster | uses unxi socket |
| 14:53.35 | raster | not fifo |
| 14:53.49 | raster | its also tiny |
| 14:53.52 | raster | the src is 600 lines of c |
| 14:54.03 | raster | the theme file is - well 600 lines of edc |
| 14:54.03 | raster | too |
| 14:54.04 | raster | :) |
| 14:54.12 | raster | but hey |
| 14:54.16 | raster | themes can get verby |
| 14:54.22 | raster | depends how fancy u want to be |
| 14:54.31 | ScaredyCat | 600 lines of C and lots of deps |
| 14:54.45 | raster | not that bad |
| 14:54.56 | raster | only eet evas embryo edje and ecore |
| 14:55.01 | ScaredyCat | does look nice though |
| 14:55.58 | raster | the code3 |
| 14:56.01 | raster | or the screen? |
| 14:56.09 | andylockran | yay - I've just got my phone back after a week - now up and running with 2007.2 |
| 14:56.20 | andylockran | only one problem - gsm.log = modem dead |
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| 14:57.47 | ScaredyCat | the screen |
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| 14:58.43 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/exquisite-01.png |
| 14:58.47 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/exquisite-01.avi |
| 14:58.50 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/files/exquisite-02.avi |
| 14:58.54 | raster | as per all things |
| 14:58.58 | raster | its themeable |
| 14:59.05 | raster | so the look is entirely flexible |
| 14:59.09 | raster | look like anything you like |
| 14:59.14 | raster | animate any way you please |
| 14:59.17 | ScaredyCat | so where;s the .bb file :) |
| 14:59.22 | raster | just spend some time with gimp |
| 14:59.45 | raster | and fixing up the .edc to lay things out like you want |
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| 14:59.49 | raster | no bb file |
| 14:59.57 | raster | i just wrote the program last night |
| 15:00.13 | raster | well started last night - about 24hrs ago |
| 15:00.44 | Bryce_Leo | jeez raster so you've had a WHOLE 24 hours and no BB file? You're slipping!!!! :-P |
| 15:00.52 | raster | hahahahah |
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| 15:01.06 | Bryce_Leo | :D |
| 15:01.11 | raster | i shall... leave that to others to do... while i sleep |
| 15:01.28 | Bryce_Leo | now you're sleeping!?!?!? you're not human are you?? |
| 15:01.47 | Shoragan | raster, it looks great! |
| 15:02.05 | raster | Bryce_Leo: i'm a turnip actually |
| 15:02.06 | raster | :) |
| 15:02.07 | Bryce_Leo | i was told the creator of enlightenment never slept, shot lighting bolts from his fingers, and ate silicon for breakfast, was i lied to! |
| 15:02.14 | Bryce_Leo | lmao "Raster the turnip" |
| 15:02.43 | raster | don't underestimate your root vegetables! |
| 15:02.46 | Shoragan | finally! |
| 15:02.59 | ScaredyCat | got root (vegateables) |
| 15:03.10 | Bryce_Leo | haha now there's a motto for the ages |
| 15:03.28 | LittleIdiot | does anybody in here know if the gsm modem supports bit-transparent data connections? |
| 15:04.07 | raster | hahaha |
| 15:04.19 | dcordes | gsm is witchcraft and blackmagick |
| 15:04.22 | raster | now - i need to add usplash compat next |
| 15:04.24 | raster | methinks |
| 15:04.51 | Shoragan | LittleIdiot, that would CSD (circuit switched data) |
| 15:04.55 | Bryce_Leo | wow, that would be sweet, one splash for all your many devices and distros |
| 15:05.07 | Shoragan | it should be support, but is slower that GPRS |
| 15:05.09 | raster | it wont be too hard |
| 15:05.13 | raster | i have it in the READMe |
| 15:05.16 | raster | the list of cmd's to do |
| 15:05.20 | Bryce_Leo | niice |
| 15:05.56 | raster | i alkso should do a few more theme examples |
| 15:06.00 | raster | no some moko one |
| 15:06.12 | raster | and some other more "out there" examples |
| 15:06.25 | raster | note sure my default splahs will be too nice on q2vga |
| 15:06.28 | raster | qvga |
| 15:06.31 | raster | i might have to adjust it a bit |
| 15:07.37 | Bryce_Leo | shouldn't need much adjusting |
| 15:07.47 | raster | not much at all |
| 15:07.55 | LittleIdiot | shackan: yes, but i heard that some modems only do v.* and don't allow me to use a lower layer... thats what i wanted to know ;) |
| 15:07.57 | raster | just adjust some scaling and font sizes |
| 15:08.18 | Bryce_Leo | yeah that should be about it |
| 15:08.20 | raster | actually i can adjust it so the font size is chosen based on area available |
| 15:08.27 | raster | so just need to adjust the logo and prog bar a bit |
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| 15:08.41 | raster | just laziness on my part not making it adjust right |
| 15:08.44 | raster | will fix that |
| 15:09.19 | Bryce_Leo | that would be easiest, but hey this is version 1 it's not supposed to be all finished out of the box |
| 15:10.41 | raster | 0.01 |
| 15:10.44 | raster | 0.0.1 |
| 15:11.33 | raster | not bad for a 0.0.1 |
| 15:11.37 | Bryce_Leo | hahaha |
| 15:11.39 | raster | i dont think it has any bugs |
| 15:11.41 | raster | tho |
| 15:11.48 | Bryce_Leo | i'd say pretty damn good |
| 15:12.36 | raster | wish i had more time to devote to it |
| 15:12.40 | raster | maybe in future |
| 15:12.43 | raster | as i said |
| 15:12.45 | raster | for now |
| 15:12.50 | raster | need to make it usplash compatible |
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| 15:13.18 | Bryce_Leo | yeah, that would probably be top of the todo |
| 15:13.25 | raster | just for world domination requiremenmts |
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| 15:13.29 | raster | more sample themes |
| 15:13.34 | raster | better default |
| 15:13.46 | raster | i can always go crazy |
| 15:13.51 | raster | like supoprt for video elements |
| 15:14.00 | Bryce_Leo | hahaha or svg elements |
| 15:14.02 | raster | (eg put an mpg/avi as a theme splash element etc.) |
| 15:14.07 | raster | svg is possible |
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| 15:14.27 | Bryce_Leo | then with a bit of work, one logo for all resolutions of your devices |
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| 15:14.39 | raster | i just need to hook up the ability to specify a svg to drop in |
| 15:14.43 | raster | the rest is done |
| 15:14.46 | Bryce_Leo | you could always just make it at the largest size and have it scale down easily though |
| 15:15.34 | raster | generally that works pretty well |
| 15:15.34 | raster | bitmaps are flexible |
| 15:15.38 | raster | and pwoerful |
| 15:15.41 | Bryce_Leo | that's for sure |
| 15:15.42 | raster | if u know what u are doing |
| 15:15.44 | raster | i dont NEED svg |
| 15:15.53 | raster | svg is great for printing |
| 15:15.59 | Bryce_Leo | that's for sure |
| 15:16.01 | raster | and when u need rediculously high res |
| 15:16.09 | raster | but for normal usage like this |
| 15:16.11 | raster | bitmaps do it all |
| 15:16.12 | Bryce_Leo | but for screens it's not really necessary |
| 15:16.19 | Bryce_Leo | yeah, I agree with that |
| 15:16.20 | raster | yup |
| 15:17.29 | Bryce_Leo | and with how long it's taking screen res and size to advance it'll be a nice gradual thin got keep up with |
| 15:18.12 | raster | ytup |
| 15:18.23 | raster | i really dont see u going much beyond 64px480 for devides like the moko |
| 15:18.27 | raster | 800x480 maybe |
| 15:18.30 | raster | or 800x600 at a push |
| 15:18.33 | raster | but thats it |
| 15:18.40 | raster | u need to be able to scale down tho |
| 15:18.41 | raster | to qvga |
| 15:18.42 | raster | and below |
| 15:18.59 | raster | in all honesty |
| 15:19.09 | raster | a phone with a vertical 800x480 screen |
| 15:19.20 | raster | with the same dpi as the neo's vga screen' |
| 15:19.23 | raster | would be gorgeous |
| 15:19.24 | raster | in fact |
| 15:19.30 | raster | it'd kick bums |
| 15:19.52 | raster | and it is feasible at the moment |
| 15:19.53 | mjr | "You bums can't afford me, muhahaha *kick*" |
| 15:20.05 | raster | but the problem going much higher is the lack of horsepower to fill that many pixels |
| 15:20.35 | Ghiottone | ok now I can Install what I want in the SD card. now, what should I install??? |
| 15:20.36 | Bryce_Leo | also the batteris |
| 15:20.43 | Bryce_Leo | batteries are no where near where they need to be |
| 15:20.47 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Phlash]] |
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| 15:21.16 | raster | true |
| 15:21.17 | Bryce_Leo | Ghiottone: lua, mrxvt |
| 15:21.25 | raster | and to put horsepower in to fill more pixels |
| 15:21.28 | raster | means more power drain |
| 15:21.29 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2831 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.21.x/patches/ (s3cmci-unfinished-write-fix.patch series): |
| 15:21.29 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Fix Bug #677 - I/O errors on heavy microSD writes for 2.6.21.x. |
| 15:21.29 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Thanks to Roman Moravcik for the patch. |
| 15:21.35 | raster | and thus means bigger battries |
| 15:21.35 | raster | more weight |
| 15:21.36 | raster | etcv. |
| 15:21.40 | raster | all compromises |
| 15:21.41 | raster | :( |
| 15:22.12 | Bryce_Leo | heh, well there's always that M1 battery thing |
| 15:22.35 | raster | m1? |
| 15:22.37 | Bryce_Leo | also if fuelcells get up there i wouldn't mind re-filling my phone every couple days with alcohol |
| 15:22.46 | Bryce_Leo | http://wwwa.com/wired/archive/14.03/start.html?pg=9 |
| 15:22.56 | raster | oh god no thanks |
| 15:23.01 | raster | fuel cells... |
| 15:23.11 | raster | just think about trying to take a flight with a fule cell |
| 15:23.31 | raster | "you terroist! thats explosive liquids! and its more than 100ml and its not in the clear plastic bag!" |
| 15:23.33 | Bryce_Leo | hahaha, good point on the fuel cells, my grandpa had enough trouble with his nitro pills |
| 15:23.36 | raster | terrorist |
| 15:23.37 | raster | i meant |
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| 15:23.51 | raster | what we need is mroe damned wireless power! |
| 15:23.52 | raster | :) |
| 15:23.52 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2832 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (s3cmci-unfinished-write-fix.patch series): |
| 15:23.52 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Fix Bug #677 - I/O errors on heavy microSD writes for 2.6.22.x. |
| 15:23.52 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Thanks to Roman Moravcik for the patch. |
| 15:24.04 | Bryce_Leo | lol wireless power would be awesome |
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| 15:24.18 | mjr | You know this all is why GTA03 will need a mechanical diamondoid rod nanocomputer, those beasts can work with surprisingly little power. You know, if you can figure out to build one. |
| 15:25.09 | Bryce_Leo | lol, the M1 style batter is probably the best bet, double the power density, pretty sweet. |
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| 15:26.07 | raster | u also just need excellent power saving/efficiency |
| 15:26.21 | raster | some company - philips i think, have bene working on clockless cpu's |
| 15:26.27 | raster | and i think arm are getting into it |
| 15:26.32 | raster | that could be very interesting |
| 15:26.46 | Bryce_Leo | wow, clockless?? (googles) |
| 15:26.49 | raster | most phones or such devices spend a lot of time asleep |
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| 15:26.54 | raster | waiting for input |
| 15:27.02 | raster | (network data, or user input) |
| 15:27.06 | raster | clocks always tick |
| 15:27.10 | raster | even when everythgin else is idle |
| 15:27.24 | raster | i think most phones do well on standby time because they cloks a lot of themsleevs down to something slow |
| 15:27.25 | raster | like 1mhz |
| 15:27.35 | raster | just enough to be able to "see whats going on" |
| 15:27.52 | raster | and step back up to 100+mhz or whatever when theres some "action" |
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| 15:28.20 | Bryce_Leo | very true |
| 15:28.47 | Bryce_Leo | also how much draw is from the radio? (gsm cdma etc) that's another issue to look at |
| 15:28.49 | raster | clockless cpus and other components could literally save lots of power by just nto ticking at all - unless they are doing something |
| 15:28.55 | raster | yup |
| 15:29.01 | raster | i think that is powered down too |
| 15:29.11 | raster | transmitting takes much mroe than recieving |
| 15:29.11 | raster | i think |
| 15:29.24 | raster | so as long as u have just enough to see if there is a signal of interest |
| 15:29.29 | raster | u can shut down a lot |
| 15:29.36 | Bryce_Leo | hmm.. .clockless cpus seem like they're a godsend for portable devices |
| 15:29.37 | raster | wake up when u NEED to send stuff |
| 15:29.44 | mjr | similarly Neo's SoC can go down to 12 MHz slow mode (or just sleep if there's nothing to do but wait for interrupts) |
| 15:29.55 | raster | make sure your protocols are such that filtring is done at base-stations as much as possible instead of devices |
| 15:30.06 | raster | dont requrie devices to reply when the data is not for them |
| 15:30.06 | raster | etc. |
| 15:30.13 | Bryce_Leo | yeah, flitering at the device would be a boon |
| 15:30.19 | raster | mjr: only 12mhz? |
| 15:30.21 | raster | no lower? |
| 15:30.31 | raster | bugger |
| 15:30.34 | mjr | nope, the next step is powered off |
| 15:30.49 | raster | i swear reading about some arms that will go to 1mhz |
| 15:31.30 | mjr | 40 mW at 12 MHz, not that bad, and if you really don't need to do anything, it can wake up from the 0.2 mW sleep on interrupts... |
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| 15:32.02 | raster | thats true |
| 15:32.06 | raster | u just need to avoid the wakeup |
| 15:32.18 | raster | i guess theres still a lot of work to be done in the userspace land |
| 15:32.26 | mjr | lots, yes |
| 15:32.31 | raster | like making sure all userspace processes literally do sit and block/wait in input |
| 15:32.32 | Bryce_Leo | there's always tons to be don in userspace |
| 15:32.34 | raster | instead of poll |
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| 15:33.04 | raster | at least all the core userspace apps that u'd expect to be running while the phone is "on standby" |
| 15:33.08 | mjr | as has been said plenty, much of the power management isn't yet |
| 15:33.21 | raster | hehehe |
| 15:33.22 | raster | :) |
| 15:33.54 | mjr | the good thing about that is that we _can_ expect the battery to last more than a few hours eventually |
| 15:34.22 | Bryce_Leo | there should be a big pool on how long the battery life ends up being |
| 15:35.11 | raster | i hope |
| 15:35.21 | raster | right now my moko is lucky to last even that |
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| 15:35.48 | raster | my n800 had a similar problem |
| 15:35.53 | raster | i think i had a dev kernel on it |
| 15:35.58 | raster | but it'd last about 8hrs |
| 15:36.04 | raster | then be dead |
| 15:36.10 | raster | and that'd be with screen off for all that time |
| 15:36.20 | raster | i reflashe4d and now it goes for days |
| 15:36.43 | Bryce_Leo | niice |
| 15:37.17 | raster | considering the neo and n800 are not disimilar cpu's (tho samsung vs ti) |
| 15:37.24 | raster | similar clock speed and other features |
| 15:37.26 | denis^da | whats the standby time of the n800 ? |
| 15:37.30 | raster | i'd expect similar battery life |
| 15:38.29 | raster | n800 has a 1500mah battery |
| 15:38.35 | raster | neo 1200mah |
| 15:38.39 | raster | similar voltage |
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| 15:39.45 | Bryce_Leo | i'm gonna bet that the neo lasts about a day to half day less than the n800 |
| 15:39.56 | cesarb | Hm, bug 677 being fixed means it's MUST REFLASH KERNEL time |
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| 15:40.51 | Bryce_Leo | yay kernel re-flash |
| 15:41.20 | raster | lets see |
| 15:41.41 | Ghiottone | what is the command to create a kernel image suitable for dfu-util ? |
| 15:41.43 | raster | first i want my neo to stop looking like arse :) |
| 15:42.21 | jeddy3 | can't the processor be completely off and wake on interrupts? |
| 15:42.22 | Bryce_Leo | raster: damn right gotta have the prioritys straight!! sweet looks before functionality (same as it is with women :-P ) |
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| 15:42.34 | raster | yup |
| 15:42.35 | raster | :) |
| 15:42.37 | raster | so |
| 15:42.42 | raster | now i can have sexy splashing |
| 15:42.52 | raster | need to dot the i's and cross the t's there |
| 15:42.56 | raster | then move to my next target |
| 15:42.56 | raster | ... |
| 15:43.29 | cesarb | Bryce_Leo: I would like to direct your attention to http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/The-Cool-Cam.aspx , which shows raster might be more correct than you imagine |
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| 15:49.04 | raster | hehehehheehe |
| 15:49.07 | raster | aaah oath |
| 15:49.09 | mjr | oh, my #677 fixed? Groovy. |
| 15:49.10 | raster | the cool cam |
| 15:49.13 | raster | i'll remember that |
| 15:49.19 | raster | but its true |
| 15:49.23 | raster | u can have glaring bugs |
| 15:49.26 | raster | lack of functionality |
| 15:49.28 | raster | or usefulness |
| 15:49.33 | raster | massive restrictions |
| 15:49.36 | raster | (iphone anyone?) |
| 15:49.39 | raster | but if its sexy |
| 15:49.42 | raster | all is forgive |
| 15:49.43 | raster | all is forgiven |
| 15:49.52 | raster | as everyone is too busy wiping the drool from their screens |
| 15:50.05 | raster | never forget |
| 15:50.08 | raster | sex sells. |
| 15:50.11 | raster | get used to it. |
| 15:50.19 | raster | (sex in many ways) |
| 15:50.20 | Bryce_Leo | lol |
| 15:50.24 | Bryce_Leo | that is a great article |
| 15:51.37 | raster | indeed |
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| 15:52.45 | jeddy3 | !ombug 677 |
| 15:52.46 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 677, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: Unknown |
| 15:52.47 | cdbot2 | * * mjr(AT)iki.fi: I/O errors on heavy microSD writes |
| 15:52.48 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=677 |
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| 15:54.42 | andylock1an | hey - can someone help me out with a quick problem. I'm running ubuntu feisty - and I can't get the openmoko to route through it so that I can see the net from the phone |
| 15:54.52 | andylock1an | followed the USB networking on the wiki - but to no avail |
| 15:55.12 | giobbe | andylock1an, check your network config |
| 15:55.23 | giobbe | the neo default ip is 192.168.0.202 |
| 15:55.39 | andylock1an | yeah, I can ssh into it fine |
| 15:55.50 | andylock1an | I just can't get packets forwarded thru my ubuntu machine |
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| 15:56.00 | giobbe | ah ok |
| 15:56.22 | giobbe | a simple masquerading setting + forward should work fine |
| 15:56.34 | raster | sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 15:56.37 | raster | sudo route add 192.168.0.202 dev usb0 |
| 15:56.59 | raster | (as root) |
| 15:57.01 | raster | echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 15:57.11 | raster | sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 15:57.12 | raster | sudo iptables -L |
| 15:57.13 | raster | done |
| 15:57.21 | raster | u get the idea |
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| 15:58.38 | andylock1an | yeah, hold on yeah, I'd expect that to work |
| 15:58.42 | andylock1an | but it doesnt... |
| 15:59.00 | giobbe | can someone give me info about pyMoko? |
| 15:59.00 | aloril | giobbe: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 15:59.08 | giobbe | the word press on the pymoko home page is broken |
| 15:59.37 | giobbe | and it looks like there's no python available inside openembedded right now |
| 16:00.37 | Bryce_Leo | giobbe: huh? |
| 16:00.39 | andylockran | anyone else help with the weird networking problem? |
| 16:01.03 | Bryce_Leo | there's python python-gtk2 whatever makes ya happy |
| 16:01.38 | Bryce_Leo | andylockran: are you just trying to access the net through the device? |
| 16:01.42 | giobbe | Bryce_Leo: It's strange because I've built an image from the svn using mokomakefile |
| 16:01.53 | Bryce_Leo | giobbe: none of those come in by default |
| 16:02.03 | giobbe | ah good |
| 16:02.18 | andylockran | Bryce_Leo: yeah, that's all I want to do |
| 16:02.21 | Bryce_Leo | giobbe: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course |
| 16:02.22 | giobbe | so I missed something in the docs on how to build those addictional things inside |
| 16:02.29 | Bryce_Leo | go down to the python section |
| 16:02.33 | giobbe | Bryce_Leo, many man y thanks :) |
| 16:02.44 | Bryce_Leo | andylockran: do you have a resolv.conf on the moko? |
| 16:02.49 | Bryce_Leo | giobbe: no problem |
| 16:02.50 | andylockran | yeah, created one |
| 16:03.14 | Bryce_Leo | andylockran: are you running iptables? have you tried shutting it off and seeing it if it works? |
| 16:03.17 | Bryce_Leo | maybe a bad rule? |
| 16:04.01 | andylockran | iptables -L is empty |
| 16:04.15 | Bryce_Leo | damn |
| 16:04.50 | Bryce_Leo | and you didn't get any errors with the setup? |
| 16:04.55 | cesarb | andylockran: iptables -t nat -L |
| 16:05.01 | cesarb | andylockran: you have to use the same -t |
| 16:05.06 | cesarb | andylockran: the default -t is -t filter |
| 16:05.33 | juco2 | hmm, speaking of python -- is it a worthwhile pursuit to use python for writing applications for openmoko at this point, or is it a better bet to stick to C? |
| 16:05.55 | andylockran | http://pastebin.com/m2aca58c9 |
| 16:06.04 | andylockran | there are some repetitions in that.. |
| 16:06.21 | juco2 | cesarb: I've never had much luck with ipmasq |
| 16:06.26 | andylockran | how do I clear iptables.. |
| 16:06.30 | Bryce_Leo | juco2: i've heard that python apps run fine on the gta01, but if there's a second less powerful device put out then it will depend |
| 16:07.06 | juco2 | hmm |
| 16:07.08 | Bryce_Leo | juco2: it depeends on the app but C will be fastest |
| 16:07.16 | juco2 | yeah, I recognize that |
| 16:07.17 | cesarb | andylockran: try "iptables -t nat -L -n -v" and check if the counters are greater than zero |
| 16:07.25 | Bryce_Leo | what kind of app you thinking of juco |
| 16:07.26 | stapel | programming in pyton i heard is a bless though |
| 16:07.29 | cesarb | andylockran: oh, and check neo's default route |
| 16:07.31 | juco2 | but writing in python means I don't have to wait for bitbake |
| 16:07.37 | cesarb | andylockran: it probably doesn't have a default route by default |
| 16:07.49 | Bryce_Leo | juco2 lol that's true |
| 16:08.30 | andylockran | http://pastebin.com/mf13af2d |
| 16:08.40 | andylockran | counters on the first one are greater than 0 |
| 16:08.49 | andylockran | 46 pkts |
| 16:09.00 | andylockran | 2982 bytes |
| 16:09.06 | giobbe | juco2, It's simply funny to use a scripting language like perl or python because you can simply script around |
| 16:09.26 | mjr | juco, python should be just fine to use for most stuff |
| 16:09.48 | mjr | granted, the gta01's flash may get cramped with python, but at least we have microsd |
| 16:10.07 | mjr | though I have several python packages installed just fine) |
| 16:10.13 | juco2 | cool |
| 16:10.31 | juco2 | that changes my thinking a bit |
| 16:11.08 | andylockran | routing looks right on the phone |
| 16:11.17 | juco2 | keeping up to date with the dev environment using Mokomakefile is taking longer than I thought it would |
| 16:12.03 | andylockran | balls.. |
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| 16:12.10 | juco2 | and since I've not devoted a ton of time to this, I'm finding that a large percentage is being spent compiling and packaging |
| 16:12.11 | hp | juco2 same here.. glibc-2.5.r6 takes ages over here also |
| 16:13.41 | juco2 | so I either need to allocate some time to setting a up a schedule and system were I make sure I have a working up to date dev environment waiting for me in the mornings |
| 16:14.26 | juco2 | or maybe think about using python |
| 16:14.54 | torpor | has anyone gotten bluetooth fully worked out yet so that it can be used instead of USB (i.e. networking etc)? |
| 16:15.22 | juco2 | but, coming from the maemo world, its hard to resist being able to build and flash the entire OS at will |
| 16:15.35 | mjr | yeah, I have BT networking working according to the instructions in the wiki |
| 16:15.51 | mjr | or had, anyway, not sure if I've used that on .2 yet, but should work the same |
| 16:15.56 | giobbe | juco2, my thinking is: openmoko-dialer and gsmd are crashing all the time.... |
| 16:16.02 | torpor | is there some sorta GUI for it mjr? |
| 16:16.13 | mjr | not to my knowledge |
| 16:16.30 | juco2 | giobbe: yeah, I don't use my neo as my primary cell phone |
| 16:16.34 | Bryce_Leo | torpor: you do anything with that build env you setup yesterday |
| 16:16.35 | Bryce_Leo | ?* |
| 16:16.36 | giobbe | juco2, so until there are no major upgrades.... I prefer to restart the gsmd everytime crashes using a script, and I'm trying to develop my own apps |
| 16:16.41 | giobbe | with something like python |
| 16:16.47 | giobbe | in order to use the phone :) |
| 16:16.53 | juco2 | ah :) |
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| 16:17.02 | torpor | Bryce_Leo: yes, i'm coding up an app for it now. on my second app - a simple clock |
| 16:17.16 | juco2 | I work at a company where I write apps for phones |
| 16:17.25 | juco2 | so I have lots of phones and sims available |
| 16:17.27 | torpor | juco2: i would like to have such a job |
| 16:17.34 | giobbe | Bryce_Leo, Same here, but I can't resist :) I would like to go outside using the phone functionality even with a script running from terminal :) |
| 16:17.39 | giobbe | nerd+ :) |
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| 16:17.53 | mjr | juco2, btw, also mickey has been working on the python packages, and that's all the endorsement of python I need ;P |
| 16:18.07 | juco2 | torpor: well, what that means is that I write in j2me most of the time |
| 16:18.16 | juco2 | so I'm not sure how enviable that is |
| 16:18.38 | hp | isn't there a j2me package ? |
| 16:18.41 | Bryce_Leo | torpor: sweet deal, any eta on when you're gonna put up the tar or post your howto on your user page? |
| 16:18.44 | hp | i thought i read something about that |
| 16:19.00 | juco2 | the openmoko project is so attractive because it isn't constrained to sandboxed environments like that |
| 16:19.03 | juco2 | hp, there is a project |
| 16:19.12 | juco2 | I check in on it every so often |
| 16:19.25 | juco2 | but last I checked, it wasn't usable |
| 16:19.35 | juco2 | at least not for running commercial midlets |
| 16:19.40 | juco2 | like google maps ;) |
| 16:19.40 | torpor | Bryce_Leo: i'm gonna finish this app, the work on a user page to intro how i did it all.. but i gotta make something worthwhile first. no "hello world" for me .. i wanna be a bit meaty. |
| 16:19.45 | hp | still an ongoing process i guess. |
| 16:20.13 | juco2 | yeah, I keep thinking about seeing if I can contribute |
| 16:20.19 | Bryce_Leo | torpor: that sounds awesome, i'll integrate it into the app dev crash course after you finish it up! keep me posted |
| 16:20.30 | torpor | i will mate, don't worry. |
| 16:20.46 | juco2 | but I haven't managed to organize my time well enough to do so |
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| 16:20.53 | torpor | its pretty lovely to write for openmoko, actually, t be honest... the stuff thats available to code with is delicious. |
| 16:21.02 | Bryce_Leo | awesome thanks torpor, id really like to get the crash course to be reasonable pretty soon |
| 16:21.16 | juco2 | now, my company is talking about running out of funding, so if I find myself unemployed, I might just have a whole bunch of time |
| 16:21.34 | juco2 | torpor: yeah, its the best I've ever seen |
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| 16:21.45 | juco2 | it makes me jealous |
| 16:22.04 | Bryce_Leo | i'd like it to be a little more worthwile, i mean if you know what you're doing you can make it compile gdk apps with libs and all but that's a bit ephemeral for the moent |
| 16:22.09 | juco2 | I keep waving my neo around trying to get my company to use it as a platform |
| 16:22.57 | juco2 | anyone know anything about the rumors that google is interested in openmoko? |
| 16:23.15 | bkruse_home | juco2: doubt it |
| 16:23.25 | bkruse_home | any cool company google is interested |
| 16:23.28 | bkruse_home | its on ongoing rumor |
| 16:25.17 | ckuethe | last i heard, google was going with HTC hardware |
| 16:25.29 | ckuethe | and possibly running a modified openmoko distro |
| 16:25.40 | ckuethe | but that too falls in the category of "rumor" |
| 16:25.53 | bkruse_home | right |
| 16:26.03 | bkruse_home | the GTA02 wil bring a lot more publicity and development i believe |
| 16:26.11 | bkruse_home | its good to see some brothering projects on the projects page |
| 16:26.54 | giobbe | I've read somewhere about this javafx thing, but I was unable to understand the current state of the thing |
| 16:27.12 | bkruse_home | probably in the "planning" stage |
| 16:27.19 | bkruse_home | i believe there are only a few that actually have some code now |
| 16:27.33 | bkruse_home | which makes sense, getting used to the devel platform, planning ,etc. itll all come together ;] |
| 16:28.04 | giobbe | It should be really nice to have a "jfxdk" with low-level hardware support :) |
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| 16:40.24 | ScaredyCat | ./././. |
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| 16:48.41 | jadams | juco2: my company is pursuing using the openmoko as a platform |
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| 16:49.16 | jadams | trying to get some into the hands of some of our customers with lots of field techs, and start doing some interesting stuff once thay all have 'em |
| 16:49.27 | jadams | but right now we're in the 'evaluating' stage. If it had 3G it'd be so obvious. |
| 16:49.30 | cb22 | endless possibilities :) |
| 16:49.40 | Bryce_Leo | jadams: what company do you work for? |
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| 16:50.05 | jadams | Bryce_Leo: I'm a partner at http://www.isotope11.com. We do custom IT work and custom development, as well as basic web development |
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| 16:50.26 | Bryce_Leo | pretty sweet |
| 16:50.30 | jadams | the site's in a pretty awful state right now, but it's better than it was a month ago... |
| 16:51.12 | juco2 | jadams: really, 3g would make a difference? |
| 16:51.13 | jadams | we've just begun eating our own dogfood w/r/t using the Rails CMS product I developed :) |
| 16:51.24 | Bryce_Leo | haha hard to sell webdevelopment without a good design, as you know the two are directly related (rolls eyes) |
| 16:51.30 | Bryce_Leo | i love consumers |
| 16:51.48 | jadams | juco2: well, it's also a matter of data plans though...but yeah, higher speeds enable some cooler apps |
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| 16:51.59 | jadams | Bryce_Leo: luckily we're doing lots of corporate / functional stuff |
| 16:52.10 | juco2 | hmm, I've been less than thrilled with WCDMA in the US |
| 16:52.21 | Bryce_Leo | jadams: sweet deal, corporate wom is powerful |
| 16:52.38 | torpor | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.50 | jadams | so anyone have suggestions for me? I'm about to begin googling my way to building a pygtk app on the neo |
| 16:52.53 | juco2 | in fact, I just modified an AT&T Motorola V3xx to disable 3g |
| 16:52.56 | cb22 | torpor, amen |
| 16:53.11 | juco2 | as it can't seem to handle the switchover |
| 16:53.14 | torpor | suggestions for what app to build, jadams? |
| 16:53.19 | juco2 | in a reasonable manor |
| 16:53.22 | cb22 | juco2, yes i've noticed that tooo |
| 16:53.24 | cb22 | too* |
| 16:53.24 | jadams | torpor: pygtk hello world on neo |
| 16:53.28 | cb22 | with a normal v3x |
| 16:53.43 | juco2 | the Nokia N75 seems to do a bit better |
| 16:53.47 | juco2 | but I haven't used it much |
| 16:54.03 | juco2 | the best "3g" performance I've seen is with EVDO |
| 16:54.24 | juco2 | but I can't imagine that will ever be available to openmoko |
| 16:54.37 | cb22 | usb evdo adapter anyone? |
| 16:55.03 | juco2 | oh, true enough |
| 16:55.29 | jadams | hrm...think I'll just play with python-curses first |
| 16:55.32 | juco2 | I suppose you couldn't use that for traditional voice |
| 16:55.58 | jadams | first app I want to build will just send the remote control commands to my xmms |
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| 16:56.31 | juco2 | jadams: heh, that's something I always think about |
| 16:56.41 | juco2 | but with mpd |
| 16:56.50 | juco2 | are you talking about xmms or xmms2? |
| 16:57.02 | juco2 | as xmms2 and mpd are more or less the same sort of system |
| 16:57.13 | ScaredyCat | jadams: not ruby ? |
| 16:57.58 | jadams | ScaredyCat: I'll be doing ruby |
| 16:58.07 | jadams | but python-curses is already there |
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| 16:58.15 | jadams | and I want quick ROI to get me hooked on coding for this phone :) |
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| 16:59.04 | jadams | I've already written my hello world on this sucker in ruby...but I don't know where to go from there, re: ruby gui programming for the phone |
| 16:59.38 | jadams | got my build environment set up on my work machine and I'm ssh'ed in, but I don't really know where to go from here re:cross-compiling ruby libs I need |
| 17:00.23 | jadams | one big issue for me: irb; require 'drb'; yields no such file to load -- socket |
| 17:00.36 | jadams | which kinda makes ruby network programming a kick in the pants for the moment |
| 17:01.02 | jadams | although I didn't realize irb was running on the phone until I typed it :) |
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| 17:05.39 | ScaredyCat | ;/ |
| 17:05.48 | aloril | (script) planet: Jan Luebbe: Debian on the Neo1973 http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/post/jan/2007-08-26/debian-neo1973 |
| 17:09.14 | jadams | ScaredyCat: I've almost got my pycurses winamp remote finished, then I can look at ruby again...or pygtk |
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| 17:20.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Ulm]] [[User:Lokolb]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Arkansas]] [[Booting_from_SD]] [[IPhone]] |
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| 17:25.44 | jadams | how do I do ssh-keygen on the phone? |
| 17:25.58 | jadams | or password-less ssh from phone to elsewhere? |
| 17:26.47 | jadams | ahh |
| 17:26.49 | jadams | in the wiki, plain as day |
| 17:26.50 | jadams | sigh |
| 17:27.03 | Aria | Yep yep! |
| 17:27.06 | jadams | oh, no...that's in reverse |
| 17:27.43 | Bryce_Leo | jadams: inverse the inverse? |
| 17:27.57 | jadams | Bryce_Leo: except I can't run ssh-keygen on the phone |
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| 17:28.06 | jadams | so how do I create my .pub file? |
| 17:28.13 | meus | jadams: then copy your private key from your computer to the phone? |
| 17:28.20 | torpor | godamn i hate wiki's |
| 17:29.03 | Bryce_Leo | torpor: ?? |
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| 17:29.39 | jroman | it's being very hard to setup the build environment with mokomakefile with my fedora core 5, I guess is much better upgrade to fedora core 7. Does anyboy use FC7 and mokomakefile without problems? |
| 17:30.02 | jadams | meus: copying the private key to the phone doesn't yield passwordless ssh from phone -> host |
| 17:30.28 | meus | jadams: i do not have a phone, but should you not be able to run ssh-agent or somthing on it? |
| 17:31.03 | ccube | jroman: ive problems with several distributions |
| 17:31.08 | mjr | OpenMoko uses the dropbear ssh client and server; you need to convert your key into dropbear's format before using on the Neo |
| 17:31.20 | ccube | jroman: but FC never tired |
| 17:31.21 | mjr | this is done through dropbearconvert |
| 17:31.23 | jadams | meus: ssh-agent isn't on the phone, and it has dropbear instead of openssl on it... |
| 17:31.24 | ccube | *tried |
| 17:31.31 | cindy | jroman - I use fedora core 6 with no problems |
| 17:31.32 | meus | ah ok :) |
| 17:31.34 | jadams | mjr: great, thanks |
| 17:31.50 | ScaredyCat | jadams: I wrote the WHOLE process out, it's on the wiki, usb networking |
| 17:32.09 | mjr | and for the dropbear ssh client, you need to spesify the key file with -i, and I don't think it supports passphrases in keys at the moment |
| 17:32.30 | ScaredyCat | errm, you don;t need to do anything to the key |
| 17:32.47 | torpor | jroman: i has zero distribution-related problems doing a build with mokomakefile on Ubuntu Studio .. |
| 17:32.48 | jroman | thx |
| 17:32.56 | torpor | which i suppose is really just a fancy ubuntu. |
| 17:33.22 | Bryce_Leo | torpor: what is a fancy ubuntu? |
| 17:33.26 | jadams | ScaredyCat: I've looked at that page, and all I see is host -> phone w/o password... |
| 17:34.12 | ScaredyCat | yes, the procedure is the same... |
| 17:34.43 | ScaredyCat | you do have to use a modicum of intelligence |
| 17:34.53 | jadams | ScaredyCat: the wiki uses ssh-keygen. ssh-keygen isn't on the phone |
| 17:35.08 | ScaredyCat | ie . the bit that says "when prompted for a password either hit enter for no password" |
| 17:35.08 | jadams | I'm dealing with dropbearkey now, I'm getting it handled |
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| 17:35.13 | ScaredyCat | you type a password |
| 17:35.28 | ScaredyCat | bitbake it |
| 17:35.28 | torpor | Bryce_Leo: ubuntustudio == fancy ubuntu with realtime kernel |
| 17:35.47 | ccube | where to get that? |
| 17:35.49 | jadams | ScaredyCat: I can ssh into the phone fine. I want to be able to run commands using the key without having to enter a password. and I don't need to bitbake it, now that I know about dropbearkey. |
| 17:35.57 | Bryce_Leo | torpor: ahh ok, i was confused because he asked about fedora |
| 17:36.08 | torpor | i know |
| 17:36.14 | Bryce_Leo | torpor: i thought you were saying that fedora is a fancy ubuntu and i nearly had a connipiton |
| 17:36.18 | torpor | just trying to give him something else as a reference. ubuntu really was no problems |
| 17:36.31 | torpor | connption--; // good word, btw. |
| 17:36.32 | Bryce_Leo | torpor: yes i see now i was haivng trouble following the backlog |
| 17:36.39 | Bryce_Leo | haha thanks :-D |
| 17:37.11 | ScaredyCat | jadams: run commands on the phone without being asked a p/w |
| 17:37.56 | jadams | ScaredyCat: yeah, as in ssh -c "command" |
| 17:37.57 | ScaredyCat | torpor: realtime? |
| 17:38.08 | ScaredyCat | really realtime? |
| 17:38.37 | torpor | ScaredyCat: yeah, its designed for audio/music use. its an ubuntu for musicians/artists. gives best possible performance for apps like ardour and rosegarden and cindelerra and such |
| 17:39.07 | ScaredyCat | aah ok.. yeah, I've tried rosegarden on my laptop, it didn;t like it :) |
| 17:39.20 | torpor | i use ubuntustudio for my linux media work |
| 17:39.39 | ScaredyCat | I hadn't heard of it ... til now :) |
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| 17:42.01 | Bryce_Leo | new gp2x??? sweet sweet madness |
| 17:42.19 | torpor | yup |
| 17:42.26 | torpor | except its not such a great leap forward |
| 17:42.38 | Bryce_Leo | yeah... i just looked and still no 3d |
| 17:42.43 | torpor | no normal USB host port, for example |
| 17:42.55 | torpor | 3d is not so necessary when there's a spare arm920t doing nothing |
| 17:42.57 | Bryce_Leo | you can usbhost if you have it plugged into the doc though |
| 17:43.04 | torpor | there's a very nice 3d toolkit for that second ARM cpu |
| 17:43.10 | Bryce_Leo | yes but with 3d it could run my PS1 games |
| 17:43.16 | torpor | yeah. fyi, i have 5 gp2x's. ;) |
| 17:43.25 | Bryce_Leo | hahaha wow, torpor rolling in the cash!!! |
| 17:43.26 | torpor | i9t can do ps1 |
| 17:43.40 | torpor | i used 'em for prototyping when i was at access .. |
| 17:43.43 | Bryce_Leo | torpor: you mean there's a working good emulator for ps1 on the gp2x???? |
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| 17:43.50 | torpor | replaced my smdk2410 devboard |
| 17:43.55 | torpor | yup |
| 17:44.00 | Bryce_Leo | torpor: you worked for access tech? the ones that are doing palms next linux supposedly? |
| 17:44.09 | torpor | no |
| 17:44.19 | torpor | access music - makers of the virus synth. virus.info |
| 17:44.20 | Bryce_Leo | wow... i can't belive i missed the release of the emulator... i think i might pick up a 2x |
| 17:44.29 | Bryce_Leo | ahh ok got it |
| 17:44.32 | Bryce_Leo | different access |
| 17:44.56 | torpor | worked 5 years getting music/midi sorted in an embeddable arm distro only to be fired coz the company wanted to stay closed-source .. |
| 17:45.44 | torpor | so now i'm turning it all back to the linux world, and putting my expertise with audio/midi on linux-arm back into the dist's i was always never allowed to implement in a shipping product, like openembedded, open2x, etc. |
| 17:46.10 | torpor | psx4all |
| 17:46.13 | Bryce_Leo | wow... impressive |
| 17:46.20 | torpor | ^^ name of the psx emu.. i checked. |
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| 17:46.23 | Bryce_Leo | good for you, sucks that the company was such dick |
| 17:46.35 | torpor | man, they were dicks. |
| 17:46.48 | Bryce_Leo | awsome, thanks! i'm gonna def pick me up a gp2x once i've got the cash |
| 17:46.54 | Bryce_Leo | that's how most big business is |
| 17:46.57 | torpor | do it, its a lovely machine |
| 17:47.23 | Bryce_Leo | torpor: and how is batter with 2AA? and do the 1.2v nimh batters work ok? |
| 17:48.04 | jadams | ScaredyCat: what was missing for me was '-i id_dsa' to tell it what to connect with...openssh didn't ever require that of me, hence my confusion |
| 17:48.05 | torpor | you have to put 2500++ mha's into it .. but you can get up to 3 to 4 hours no problems. |
| 17:48.06 | jadams | I'll put something in the wiki |
| 17:49.01 | Bryce_Leo | torpor: sweet I shoot weddings on the weekends so i have tons of 2700mah AA's |
| 17:49.05 | ScaredyCat | cool, good one jadams |
| 17:49.07 | torpor | i have 2600 mha batteries in all my gp2x's but i don't really notice a battery life problem because i poewr all my gp2x's anyway .. theyr'e embedded in things like a customized virus KC keyboard, which has ample space for such things. |
| 17:49.40 | Bryce_Leo | wow, that's damn cool |
| 17:50.50 | Bryce_Leo | torpor: thanks for all the info on the gp2x |
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| 17:52.04 | torpor | welcome |
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| 17:53.54 | jadams | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#SSH_Keys updated with passwordless phone->host ssh |
| 17:54.58 | jadams | ScaredyCat: of course it doesn't matter, since the ssh client on the phone doesn't support -c anyway |
| 17:55.02 | jadams | hrm... |
| 17:55.08 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 17:55.58 | ScaredyCat | I guess it is fairly unusual |
| 17:56.04 | ScaredyCat | for an embedded device... |
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| 17:57.24 | torpor | the embedded line is being blurred daily. i don't consider the gp2x or the neo to be embedded devices; they are portable linux systems that no longer constrain themselves to the desktop or the 19" rack. |
| 17:59.51 | ScaredyCat | jadams: openssh packages uploaded in about 5 mins |
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| 18:03.27 | ScaredyCat | done |
| 18:03.39 | jadams | ScaredyCat: awesome, I was just about to build them |
| 18:03.47 | jadams | I'm just now realizing how OE/bitbake work |
| 18:03.52 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 18:05.15 | jadams | and I've got a machine up at the office just begging to be told to compile :) |
| 18:05.16 | jadams | ScaredyCat: awesome, as soon as this is working my little openssh-xmms-python-ncurses remote should be working :) |
| 18:05.16 | jadams | and maybe now that I'm learning about bitbake I can see what's up with socket.rb |
| 18:06.00 | ScaredyCat | good stuff .... |
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| 18:06.50 | mdt | someone send a sms with the neo already? i got strange char converts.... '_' gets something else fo example |
| 18:07.06 | jadams | mdt: hadn't even considered sending an sms with it yet :) |
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| 18:07.36 | Bryce_Leo | anyone running a raid at home? |
| 18:07.47 | ScaredyCat | I sent a hello world one to my wife... |
| 18:07.53 | ScaredyCat | manually though |
| 18:08.03 | mjr | Bryce_Leo, but of course |
| 18:08.19 | Bryce_Leo | are you doing it through a separate card or off the motherboard? |
| 18:08.37 | Bryce_Leo | i've only run raid on servers.... |
| 18:08.44 | jadams | I get this everytime I do an ipkg update: Inflating http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/fic-gta01/Packages.gz |
| 18:08.47 | jadams | An error ocurred, return value: 9. |
| 18:08.57 | jadams | (that's the last line as well) |
| 18:09.34 | mdt | ScaredyCat, manualy means gsmd or AT...? |
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| 18:09.48 | ScaredyCat | AT mdt |
| 18:10.02 | mjr | Bryce_Leo, software |
| 18:10.16 | Bryce_Leo | mjr: through lvm? |
| 18:11.01 | mjr | md |
| 18:11.21 | Bryce_Leo | mjr ahh ok |
| 18:11.28 | Bryce_Leo | how's the performance hit on your cpu? |
| 18:11.32 | Bryce_Leo | negligeable? (sp_ |
| 18:11.50 | mjr | less than the loop-aes |
| 18:12.05 | Bryce_Leo | wow, what raid level? |
| 18:12.15 | mdt | ScaredyCat, does gsmd use the sms-text-mode? or does it build pdu itself? |
| 18:12.17 | mjr | 5 and 1 both in use |
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| 18:12.29 | mjr | really, disks are slow |
| 18:12.55 | Bryce_Leo | yeah, i was just worried about it clogging up the bus as well |
| 18:12.55 | jadams | can anyone do 'ipkg update' right now? I've gotten the same error four times |
| 18:13.30 | mjr | Well, not for me. Though loop-aes does seem to have issues with heavy loads :I |
| 18:13.35 | Ghiottone | yay! my ipkgorphan works! |
| 18:13.58 | Bryce_Leo | haha well that makes sense with aes |
| 18:14.05 | Ghiottone | : greets his first useful program on the Neo |
| 18:14.45 | Ghiottone | s$:$/me$ |
| 18:14.52 | neclimdul | :P |
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| 18:16.18 | neclimdul | anyone here use the mokomakefile? try to get a feeling for things before diving in and having trouble. |
| 18:17.43 | mjr | Bryce_Leo, well, it could still schedule access nicer so that one heavy i/o process wouldn't stall pretty much everything else |
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| 18:19.24 | Ghiottone | neclimdul, I'm using it. recipe is: make update-makefile; make setup update; make openmoko-devel-image |
| 18:20.18 | neclimdul | yeah, that's what I'm doing but its dieing on one of the image steps and not sure about the next step in finding a fix. |
| 18:20.27 | Ghiottone | neclimdul, and then wait for a few days. Checks the wiki for tips on how use multiple core processors or save some disk space |
| 18:21.03 | Ghiottone | neclimdul, use a pastebin |
| 18:21.29 | neclimdul | abstract, getting lot of undefined reference to `QAbstractSocket::*' errors |
| 18:22.04 | neclimdul | pastebining log |
| 18:24.08 | neclimdul | http://pastebin.com/d1898975 |
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| 18:25.48 | dcordes | somebody knowing good X11 audio player with fat buttons? |
| 18:26.05 | jgm | Is there a way to disable building qemu in mokomakefile? |
| 18:26.17 | jgm | I don't want to go to the hassle of installing gcc 3.x |
| 18:26.40 | torpor | what distro do you use? |
| 18:26.52 | jgm | Ubuntu, but I'd assume it's a mokomakefile change |
| 18:27.14 | dcordes | uuh can't the qemu guys build with later gcc? |
| 18:27.15 | torpor | no its not |
| 18:27.18 | torpor | its quite simple |
| 18:27.25 | torpor | just apt-get install gcc-3 |
| 18:27.34 | jgm | Umm... but I don't want to |
| 18:27.39 | dcordes | lol |
| 18:27.40 | neclimdul | Ghiottone: sometimes it helps asking. i just realized /home/moko/moko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/qt4/lib doesn't exist. still don't know why |
| 18:27.47 | torpor | why not? the only reason is disk space? |
| 18:28.09 | jgm | Partly that but mainly aesthetic reasons |
| 18:28.25 | meus | jgm: just don´t do make all? you can just make the openmoko-devel-image? |
| 18:28.26 | torpor | dcordes: gcc 3 versus gcc 4 is a loong discussion. basically gcc4 is tight and fast, gcc3 is stable and reliable |
| 18:28.46 | cjb_ie | all good qualities in a... compiler |
| 18:29.07 | neclimdul | and gcc4 works for amd64 :) |
| 18:29.13 | jgm | meus: make openmoko-devel-image tries to build qemu, unfortunately |
| 18:29.24 | torpor | aesthetics? aesthetics? there is no call for aesthetics in compiler land. its not supposed to be pretty. its supposed to compile, and then link. nothing pretty ever does. |
| 18:29.47 | meus | jgm: hmm ok, strange |
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| 18:32.47 | jgm | Okay think I've found a solution but waiting for bitbake to sort its files before confirming |
| 18:33.34 | jadams | sorry to keep asking, but can anyone else run 'ipkg update' on the phone right now? Fails for me, every time |
| 18:34.01 | jadams | oh gawd |
| 18:34.04 | jadams | nm, ignore me please |
| 18:34.08 | torpor | i can |
| 18:34.10 | torpor | no problems. |
| 18:34.12 | jadams | I was non-root... |
| 18:34.17 | torpor | but then i have networking working |
| 18:34.24 | torpor | eh? how can you be nonroot on the phone right now? |
| 18:34.28 | jadams | adduser |
| 18:34.32 | torpor | oh |
| 18:34.55 | neclimdul | jadams: too smart for your own good you are |
| 18:35.11 | jadams | sigh |
| 18:35.23 | jgm | Okay yep you can skip it by adding a couple of lines to your local.conf: |
| 18:35.23 | jgm | ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" |
| 18:35.23 | jgm | ASSUME_PROVIDED += "qemu-native" |
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| 18:36.03 | dcordes | jgm: qemu is part of the openembedded toolchain |
| 18:36.20 | dcordes | and required to build anything |
| 18:36.21 | jadams | hrm...so installing openssh on the phone...I'm thinking 'ipkg remove dropbear && ipkg install openssh' should work and let me ssh right back in once the connection inevitably drops :) |
| 18:36.22 | jgm | Okay guess I'll find out if it breaks things later on down the line then |
| 18:36.28 | Ghiottone | neclimdul, did the package qt4-x11-free compile? |
| 18:36.38 | guaqua | what user does the gui run on, by default? |
| 18:36.48 | mdt | guaqua, root |
| 18:37.02 | neclimdul | Ghiottone: this was the only error i saw pop up. how would I check? |
| 18:37.04 | guaqua | hmpph |
| 18:37.33 | jadams | well, I killed dropbear...time to see if openssh works :) |
| 18:37.38 | jadams | awesome |
| 18:38.08 | jadams | if anyone's curious, 'ipkg remove dropbear -force-depends && ipkg install openssh' works fine if you've got ScaredyCat's repository |
| 18:38.40 | meus | jadams: put that in the wiki? |
| 18:38.53 | jadams | meus: well, I'm not sure anymore |
| 18:39.05 | meus | jadams: oh why? |
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| 18:39.15 | jadams | no, seems to have failed |
| 18:39.16 | jadams | meh |
| 18:41.04 | jadams | meus: I had to do it manually from the phone...currently installing |
| 18:41.06 | jadams | I've got no ssh at present |
| 18:42.14 | Ghiottone | neclimdul, try with make build-package-qt4-x11-free |
| 18:42.38 | Ghiottone | neclimdul, it may take several hours if it has not been done before |
| 18:42.45 | neclimdul | ok |
| 18:43.42 | Ghiottone | neclimdul, I don't know if it will solve the problem, but that package is needed to make openmoko-devel-image. so you will have to do it anyway |
| 18:44.01 | jadams | where on the wiki should I put something detailing the procedure I went through to get openssh running via the ipkg? Just tiny nuggets of info that people can find...is there a page for that, on installing applications? |
| 18:44.38 | neclimdul | oh... following the wiki didn't mention doing that before openmoko-devel-image i don't think. that might have been my problem. |
| 18:45.36 | jadams | hrm...so openssh isn't letting me log in with '' as the root password |
| 18:45.37 | Ghiottone | neclimdul, doing what? |
| 18:45.46 | neclimdul | running make build-package-qt4-x11-free |
| 18:46.45 | Ghiottone | that should be executed as a dependency of openmoko-devel-image |
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| 18:47.00 | Ghiottone | you should not have to do it manually |
| 18:47.25 | neclimdul | ok, that's what i assumed. lets see what happens after bitbake does its thing |
| 18:49.06 | neclimdul | hmm... ok... different errors this time |
| 18:50.20 | neclimdul | http://pastebin.com/d30cd727f |
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| 18:54.32 | henla464_ | anyone know if the media player is worked on and how complete it is? |
| 18:55.14 | jadams | ScaredyCat: don't get mad, but I've installed dropbear again. You can just execute a command this way: "ssh user@host 'command'" |
| 18:55.31 | jadams | :-\ |
| 18:55.39 | ScaredyCat | hehe.. |
| 18:55.48 | ScaredyCat | didn;t opnssh work then? |
| 18:56.14 | jadams | it worked, but wouldn't allow passwordless authentication |
| 18:56.20 | jadams | so I had to ssh in as another user, then su |
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| 18:57.50 | ScaredyCat | did you use authorized_keys2 ? |
| 18:58.00 | jadams | I don't mean that |
| 18:58.08 | jadams | I mean I couldn't ssh root@phone and enter '' for the pw there |
| 18:58.22 | jadams | I might switch back to openssh in a second, still running into little hassles |
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| 19:03.58 | torpor | jadams: you need to enter a blank password |
| 19:04.02 | torpor | passwd root |
| 19:04.03 | torpor | [enter] |
| 19:04.05 | torpor | [enter] |
| 19:04.09 | torpor | == no password |
| 19:04.25 | jadams | torpor: I'm aware...I've done it |
| 19:04.31 | jadams | openssh still denied access with no password |
| 19:04.38 | jadams | try it and see if you get different results |
| 19:04.50 | jadams | though now that I've reinstalled dropbear I can't seem to get my passwordless ssh running again...sigh |
| 19:05.02 | jadams | (THAT time I meant authorized_keys) |
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| 19:05.25 | ScaredyCat | jadams: did you generate the ras keys ? |
| 19:05.30 | ScaredyCat | rsa/dsa |
| 19:05.42 | jadams | I generated an rsa key with dropbearkey |
| 19:05.44 | ScaredyCat | restartd sshd (openssh) |
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| 19:09.32 | mdt | jadams, look into /etc/ssh/ssh_config if it's allowed |
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| 19:12.59 | ScaredyCat | jadams: a reboot should fix i all |
| 19:13.01 | ScaredyCat | it |
| 19:13.15 | ScaredyCat | I just removed dropbear and installed openssh |
| 19:13.18 | Ghiottone | neclimdul, sorry first time I see this error :( |
| 19:13.41 | jadams | switching back to openssh |
| 19:13.54 | jadams | ScaredyCat: ok, thanks...I'll reboot |
| 19:14.06 | neclimdul | Ghiottone: yeah. its weird. at least i've got some direction now to try to fix it. |
| 19:18.37 | jadams | ScaredyCat: yeah, restarted and it still won't let me log in with root and no password when using opensshd |
| 19:18.46 | ScaredyCat | ohh .. |
| 19:18.49 | ScaredyCat | odd even |
| 19:20.00 | ScaredyCat | k, use the terminal, make sure you have /var/run/sshd |
| 19:20.20 | ynezz | isn't openssh configured by default to deny root login via ssh? |
| 19:20.26 | ynezz | permitrootlogin or so |
| 19:20.32 | ScaredyCat | dunno, it's let me do it |
| 19:21.58 | ScaredyCat | I just uninstalled dropbear, installed openssh, restarted sshd got an error re: dir above, created it, used passwd to create a root password rebooted ssh'd in no probs (without password, using key) |
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| 19:22.40 | ScaredyCat | then I just ssh'd to my webserver running 'ls -la' |
| 19:22.47 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Digital_gaming]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] [[USB_Networking]] [[Booting_from_SD]] [[User:Lokolb]] |
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| 19:25.32 | jadams | ScaredyCat: I have that dir...do I gen my root key on the phone, put it in /home/<intended_user>/.ssh/authorized_keys, and ssh <intended_user>@ip ? |
| 19:25.51 | hp | jadams: did you su to root or?\ |
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| 19:26.07 | hp | i presume you login as a user? |
| 19:26.33 | ScaredyCat | the .pub key gets copied to the *target* system as authorized_keys[2] |
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| 19:27.14 | jadams | ScaredyCat: right, right... |
| 19:27.15 | ScaredyCat | then: ssh myuser@0.0.0.0 'ls -la' |
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| 19:27.30 | speerschleuder | nabend |
| 19:27.44 | jadams | ScaredyCat: I guess my point was that it goes in /home/myuser/.ssh/authorized_keys, rather than /home/root/... |
| 19:27.53 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 19:27.59 | ScaredyCat | the user you are sshing from |
| 19:28.12 | ScaredyCat | their home dir + .ssh/ |
| 19:28.41 | jadams | ScaredyCat: but I'll be sshing FROM root, TO jadams@target |
| 19:29.15 | ScaredyCat | ok so you have a .pub key in your root .ssh dir on the phone. |
| 19:29.43 | ScaredyCat | copy that to the home dir + .ssh of the user on the target system, call it authorized_keys |
| 19:30.02 | jadams | ScaredyCat: great, working |
| 19:30.16 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 19:36.13 | SpeedEvil | Wacky. http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6707 GSM bug. |
| 19:40.24 | jadams | garr...from python, 'os' is undefined |
| 19:40.52 | jadams | which makes 'os.system()' calls kinda tough |
| 19:41.38 | jadams | SpeedEvil: so you can just call in to that bug to listen? |
| 19:41.52 | jadams | ahh, os isn't preferred anymore anyway |
| 19:42.58 | SpeedEvil | jadams: yes. Though I'd actually have more use for one with a serial output. |
| 19:43.17 | jadams | same issue. 'subprocess' isn't defined |
| 19:43.58 | jadams | I can't use network stuff in ruby on the phone, and I can't use system calls in python |
| 19:45.15 | SpeedEvil | awk. |
| 19:45.18 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 19:46.36 | mjr | python-subprocess is installable nowadays |
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| 19:55.41 | Ghiottone | bye all |
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| 20:09.12 | jadams | ScaredyCat: alright, got python-curses xmms remote working. |
| 20:09.23 | jadams | What's the proper way to wrap code in the wiki? |
| 20:09.31 | ScaredyCat | cool ! |
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| 20:10.48 | ScaredyCat | not sure..usually lines start with a space |
| 20:11.04 | ScaredyCat | like for the # ls blah |
| 20:11.17 | tonyg | I think just use <pre> tags |
| 20:11.26 | tonyg | from memory of mediawikis past |
| 20:11.36 | ScaredyCat | sounds ike a better idea :) |
| 20:12.44 | jadams | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Python_ncurses |
| 20:12.54 | jadams | I just opened it in vim and character shifted to start the lines with spaces |
| 20:13.52 | jadams | if anyone wanted to play with it, it would take like ten seconds to modify it to work on your local machine :) |
| 20:15.02 | ScaredyCat | that's a nice little app :) |
| 20:16.04 | jadams | hrm |
| 20:16.09 | jadams | ScaredyCat: it doesn't work from the terminal on the neo though |
| 20:16.11 | jadams | works ssh'ed in |
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| 20:16.42 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 20:16.42 | jadams | but starts to bitch about /home/jadams/.Xauthority, something about not writeable, once I actually hit 'c' or 'b' on the phone |
| 20:17.06 | jadams | X connection to localhost:10.0 broken |
| 20:17.07 | jadams | wtf |
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| 20:36.55 | thomasg__ | is there a kind of "clean"-command in monotone? |
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| 20:58.27 | alphaone | thomasg__: bitbake -c clean |
| 20:59.14 | cesarb | Hm, it's looking like the modem takes some time to warm up (i.e. linux boots too fast), and this is why gsmd dies if started too soon... |
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| 21:03.48 | Bryce_Leo | test |
| 21:03.52 | Bryce_Leo | yaha finally |
| 21:12.07 | SpeedEvil | Aha! sleep 120 in the init scripts :) |
| 21:12.19 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: 120? |
| 21:12.24 | Bryce_Leo | sleep? |
| 21:12.29 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: isn't it a bit too much? |
| 21:12.31 | Bryce_Leo | forget the 120 why sleep? |
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| 21:13.05 | thomasg__ | alphaone, thx |
| 21:14.16 | mjr | lemme guess: quick hack at gsmd race? :] |
| 21:14.30 | Bryce_Leo | eww..... |
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| 21:14.50 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: if it works, the real solution would be for gsmd to somehow detect it isn't ready yet and wait |
| 21:14.54 | mwester | gsmd should just retry until it's ready. |
| 21:15.06 | SpeedEvil | Yes, I know that :) |
| 21:15.50 | riot | how do i open the keyboard to use the console on 2007.2? |
| 21:16.00 | mwester | Or turn on the gsm power earlier in boot, that might be even better? |
| 21:16.45 | cesarb | mwester: the gsm power might have to be turned off later (for instance, if you are in an airplane, or just want to be sneaky) |
| 21:16.53 | cesarb | mwester: and then you want to turn it on again... |
| 21:17.04 | mmazur | For airplanes, we should have a 'pseudo turned off' mode. |
| 21:17.14 | mmazur | Just to mess with The System! |
| 21:17.25 | mwester | Oo - very good point about the airplanes. Is there a way to power it up with the radio off? |
| 21:17.41 | cesarb | so you could say "sneaky mode" or "showoff mode" and it would manage all the power correctly for you |
| 21:17.51 | edistar | will the GTA02 in october be consumer-ready? |
| 21:18.00 | cesarb | mwester, it powers up with the radio off, /etc/init.d/gsmd turns it on unconditionally ;-) |
| 21:18.11 | mjr | edistar, doubtful |
| 21:18.16 | cesarb | A powerd could even notice the battery is running low and poweroff the radios for you... |
| 21:18.20 | edistar | mjr: when will it be? |
| 21:18.28 | mjr | edistar, when it will be. |
| 21:18.41 | edistar | mjr: solid answer :P |
| 21:18.52 | riot | how can i use the terminal in 2007.2?? Without on-screen-keyboard, it is quite not funny :( |
| 21:19.57 | Bryce_Leo | riot blow into the mic on your neo 3 times |
| 21:20.25 | mmazur | :) |
| 21:20.43 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it _almost_ worked :( |
| 21:20.46 | Bryce_Leo | riot: then "wiggle" it from left to right while holding it perpendicular to the gound |
| 21:20.49 | Stephmw[away] | juco: the MIDPath devs have been a little overloaded over the past few weeks, so it'll take a fair while longer |
| 21:21.00 | riot | Bryce_Leo: great idea... |
| 21:21.01 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the sleep 120 seems to have allowed the gsmd to correctly talk to the modem, BUT |
| 21:21.12 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: ** glibc detected *** gsmd: free(): invalid pointer: 0x0002e8a0 *** |
| 21:21.12 | Bryce_Leo | riot: :-D when one can't be useful one can always be funny! |
| 21:21.19 | edistar | I just read that the scrollwheel disappeared in 2007.2? |
| 21:21.23 | edistar | will there be none? |
| 21:21.24 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 21:21.24 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it crashed :( |
| 21:21.29 | Stephmw | hp__, juco: chat to woglinde about integration of the various j2me things into openembedded and OM |
| 21:21.33 | technil | riot: try launching input manager application under the 'All' section |
| 21:21.37 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: a completely unrelated crash, for sure |
| 21:21.49 | riot | wonderful. Somehow dropbear fscked up the ssh-keys, and now i can't revert its config, because the terminal does not work. |
| 21:21.58 | riot | technil: it starts the calculator-tool... :( |
| 21:22.20 | mwester | riot: select it from the "all" list, not the utility list. |
| 21:22.55 | Vegar | edistar: you can scroll by dragging now |
| 21:23.12 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: want me to try booting again (with the "sleep 120" line just above the gsmd call in /etc/init.d/gsmd), just to be sure? |
| 21:23.13 | riot | oi, that _does_ work.. |
| 21:23.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Python_ncurses]] |
| 21:23.28 | mwester | strange bug, huh? |
| 21:23.32 | riot | yes |
| 21:23.35 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: I don't know - I wasn't actually being serious. |
| 21:23.49 | technil | anyone gotten on a uicmoc/uicmoc4-native_4.3.1.bb' failed error on a recent 2007.2 openmoko-devel-image build? |
| 21:24.12 | riot | uh. that keyboard seems to not like xrandr ;) |
| 21:24.12 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: but I was ;-) |
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| 21:24.46 | cesarb | Oh, BTW, does anyone have the bugzilla # for the "GSM 850 doesn't work at all" bug? |
| 21:24.52 | cesarb | (if there is one) |
| 21:25.42 | cibomahto | technil: yeah, i have. there is a bug about it |
| 21:25.57 | cibomahto | technil: #747: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=747 |
| 21:26.21 | cibomahto | technil: if that is the same problem you are having |
| 21:26.43 | riot | omg.. am i happy, vi knows hjkl to move around....!! the arrow-keys are missing! |
| 21:27.33 | riot | oh noes! escape is missing, too :((( |
| 21:28.20 | cesarb | Because I tested the phone yesterday with Claro's chip, and it worked... But a network scan showed only three of the four carriers. The missing one (Vivo, the CDMA carrier) uses AFAIK GSM850 |
| 21:28.33 | cesarb | And one friend of mine who is interested on the neo uses that carrier |
| 21:28.52 | SpeedEvil | riot: there is a- at least with 2007.1, an alternative keyboard. |
| 21:29.17 | thomasg__ | the neo's gsm-module is quadband, so it supports gsm850. but afaik gta01 is not certified for it, so maybe gsm850 is disabled in the firmware |
| 21:29.33 | riot | SpeedEvil: yeah, i've seen the matchbox-keyboard on 2007.2, too. Hmm.. wish i had it onscreen now.. |
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| 21:30.25 | cibomahto | riot: it should be there in 2007.2 as well, you have to hide the keyboard and then stroke right across the white keyboard box to select a different layout |
| 21:31.17 | cesarb | thomasg__: there's also a strange "tri-band GSM antenna" thing on the FCC papers... can a so-called "triband" antenna work on all four bands? |
| 21:31.17 | riot | cibomahto: thx, i'm gonna try that. Just the wm just crashed ;) |
| 21:32.41 | thomasg__ | cesarb, good question - as the gsm850 and the gsm900 bands are not as different, maybe it's capable in this ranges |
| 21:33.41 | mjr | yeah, wouldn't rule 850 out on that basis, but it does sound a bit weird |
| 21:34.04 | mjr | (the whole of the thing, what with trouble getting 850 signal and all) |
| 21:34.09 | riot | yeah, wonderful! |
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| 21:35.34 | Kero | huh? `cu -l /dev/ttyACM0` => permission denied (I'm root...) |
| 21:35.35 | riot | yay, got back inside :D |
| 21:35.51 | riot | Kero: is gsmd running, or some other process accessing it? |
| 21:36.30 | mjr | Kero, chgrp the ttyACM0 to root (yes, I thought it was weird too) |
| 21:36.38 | Kero | riot: it's on my laptop, not on the neo; trying to erase flash to upload fresh rootfs |
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| 21:36.46 | mjr | which would be stupid of cu |
| 21:36.48 | mjr | but happens |
| 21:37.27 | Kero | minicom says offline after printing uboot prompt. |
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| 21:37.54 | riot | anyone here working on python-bindings? I'm quite eager to start writing apps.. i'd just rather use python than c ;) |
| 21:38.26 | jords | I'm running the latest openmoko snapshot on qemu, and where the other ones asked me to calibrate the screen this one is'nt. I can click on things but it's not calibrated at all and i can't find my way to the terminal to run the calibration program manually |
| 21:38.32 | Kero | mjr: as mortal user, it works. |
| 21:39.00 | jords | Did they remove the calibration program as a run-once on start on purpose? It makes it completely useless under qemu |
| 21:39.01 | aloril | jords: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 21:39.26 | riot | jords: try ts-calibrate |
| 21:39.31 | mjr | riot, well, just start with basic pygtk, and tweak the ui with moko elements later, if your fingers are twitching ;) |
| 21:39.48 | riot | jords: oh, underscore - not dash |
| 21:40.00 | jords | riot: I can't get to a terminal, can't click on anything |
| 21:40.03 | Vegar | jords: it's possible to get to a terminal and run ts_calibrate on qemu |
| 21:40.11 | Kero | and then for the quiz-q, how to disconnect cu ? |
| 21:40.15 | Vegar | jords: the screen thinks it's rotated 90 degrees |
| 21:40.21 | riot | mjr: hmm. Yah, right. The moko-elements are inherited from gtk, right? |
| 21:40.45 | Vegar | jords: so if you click along the left edge, you'll eventually click on the apps menu (the middle tab) |
| 21:41.00 | Vegar | and from there, you need to click on the terminal app |
| 21:41.05 | mjr | riot, yeah |
| 21:41.09 | Vegar | I've done it several times |
| 21:41.17 | riot | for starters, i'm going to make mokomakefile :> |
| 21:41.24 | Kero | ... wait for u-boot to set the neo to sleep after 30 sec (argh, I'm getting anoyed by that low timeout) |
| 21:41.45 | jords | i've got to the apps menu before, but clicked on the calendar app not terminal :< |
| 21:42.07 | cesarb | On the Razr you can chose between 850/1900, 900/1800, or both (quadband) |
| 21:42.17 | cesarb | Which would translate in a command to the modem... |
| 21:42.37 | cesarb | It's possible that the funcionality is there and working, just waiting for an AT command to enable the band ;-) |
| 21:44.01 | jords | Vegar: Any hints on where to click to get the terminal app once in the apps menu? |
| 21:44.23 | Vegar | last time I did it, the terminal app was just above the tabs |
| 21:44.28 | dcordes | I click terminal on my zaurus |
| 21:44.31 | dcordes | the orange icon thingy |
| 21:44.31 | jords | k |
| 21:44.36 | Vegar | so I just moved my mouse slightly to the right |
| 21:44.43 | Vegar | (which translates to up) |
| 21:45.17 | jords | k |
| 21:45.47 | riot | gnf. openembedded's debian repository seems broken - can anyone confirm that? |
| 21:46.25 | riot | oh, okok, the whole webserver seems down |
| 21:46.32 | riot | ..slow |
| 21:46.38 | dcordes | riot: what OE debian repo? |
| 21:46.40 | jords | I was thinking, another method would be to extract the openmoko image and add ts_calibrate to the bootscript? |
| 21:47.36 | riot | dcordes: openembedded has some nice repository for mandatory dev-utils-dependencies |
| 21:48.06 | riot | jords: can't you ssh into your system using -X and execute the app remotely? |
| 21:48.14 | thomasg__ | is linux-gta01_2.6.21.6 in openembedded broken at moment? can't build it for 2 days now |
| 21:48.41 | dcordes | riot: ah now I know what you mean |
| 21:48.46 | thomasg__ | mostly bug #746 |
| 21:48.52 | dcordes | I used that repo |
| 21:49.03 | dcordes | but I install monotone manually |
| 21:49.04 | cesarb | thomasg__: I rebuilt it some hours ago... |
| 21:49.07 | dcordes | rest is in ubuntu feeds |
| 21:49.07 | riot | dcordes: its just _very_ slow right now.. I'd rather not have that one in my sources.list for long |
| 21:49.16 | cesarb | thomasg__: since the annoying microSD has been closed |
| 21:49.24 | cesarb | s/microSD/microSD bug/ |
| 21:50.00 | thomasg__ | thats the problem (see my comment): http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=746 |
| 21:50.37 | jords | Vegar: Thanks, calibrated the screen now :D |
| 21:50.43 | Vegar | \o/ |
| 21:50.44 | Vegar | congrats |
| 21:50.50 | thomasg__ | and it's always changing: sometimes while do_prepatch, sometimes while do_compile. |
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| 21:52.13 | cesarb | thomasg__: always changing problems are not a good sign, especially if they change without a update... see the sig11 faq :P |
| 21:56.13 | cheriff | Morning all, does anyone know what state u-boot leaves the CPU in when jumping to the kernel? speed-wise? |
| 21:56.20 | jadams | what's the alphabet for stroke recognizer? |
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| 22:02.19 | Kero | blergh. new rootfs, reboot, then kernel stuck somewhere. |
| 22:03.36 | Kero | so... how to shut Neo down (I can remove the battery, sure, but power button does not work) |
| 22:03.53 | Kero | or reboot completely? |
| 22:04.13 | cesarb | Kero: if the power button being held for >5s doesn't turn it off, you have to remove the battery ;-) |
| 22:04.23 | Kero | ok, will do |
| 22:04.24 | riot | wow. is the complete dev-environment really 12gb+? |
| 22:05.10 | SpeedEvil | riot: yes. |
| 22:05.12 | cesarb | riot: the kernel source code alone is more than 100M, so it's not that surprising |
| 22:05.37 | borg_ | the mediaplayer does have no functionality at the moment |
| 22:05.42 | borg_ | am i right? |
| 22:06.07 | riot | so, thats the maximum size, with compiled objects et al? |
| 22:06.20 | borg_ | i installed it, but it seems like one cant do anything with it |
| 22:06.33 | riot | borg_: starling is quite simple yet. Or what mediaplayer were you referring to? |
| 22:06.40 | mwester | riot: No it can grow larger. |
| 22:06.51 | thomasg__ | my machine is calculating the size of my build environment for 2 minutes now - if it is ready, I'll tell you how big it can get :) |
| 22:06.57 | borg_ | openmoko-mediaplayer2 |
| 22:07.01 | riot | eek. |
| 22:07.07 | riot | you guys are frightening me. |
| 22:07.09 | borg_ | wats starling? |
| 22:07.14 | cesarb | riot: that's the full size, with compiled objects, unpacked source, resulting packages/images, etc |
| 22:07.20 | borg_ | s/wats/whats/ |
| 22:07.44 | cesarb | riot: so it should only grow as you add more packages to be compiled (and sometimes some leftover junk adds a few megabytes every week) |
| 22:08.00 | riot | why am i doing this.. |
| 22:08.05 | Kero | ok, moko11 kernel fares better than moko10 with that rootfs :) Some as-useless-as-all progressbar showing |
| 22:08.21 | cesarb | riot: it's mostly hundreds of thousands of tiny files, with a few large ones thrown in the mix |
| 22:09.00 | Kero | (mm, noise) |
| 22:09.35 | Kero | and there you go, "please wait" *after* the progressbar. told you they were useless :P |
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| 22:10.19 | cesarb | Kero: usplash and similars are just to not frighten the newbies with huge amounts of very tiny text saying strange incantations in ancient languages |
| 22:10.20 | riot | progressbars..hmm.. aren't they patented? *scnr* |
| 22:10.36 | Kero | newbies? on P1 ? |
| 22:10.49 | thomasg__ | ...still calculating... |
| 22:10.54 | cesarb | Kero: remember that the same code will be used on p2... |
| 22:11.09 | Kero | in... october? |
| 22:11.37 | Kero | there must be better things to fix right now :) |
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| 22:11.48 | borg_ | riot: starling looks as broken as openmoko-mediaplayer2 :) |
| 22:13.46 | riot | there goes "make setup" ... kills my freespace. |
| 22:15.05 | cesarb | riot: "make setup" uses only a few hundred megabytes |
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| 22:15.54 | riot | cesarb: guessed so. |
| 22:16.10 | jadams | http://pastebin.com/m24f7552 <--trying to install pygtk on the neo. Anyone had any luck? |
| 22:16.58 | thomasg__ | % du -sch /home/moko |
| 22:16.58 | thomasg__ | 31G /home/moko |
| 22:17.15 | thomasg__ | time for a clean up :) |
| 22:17.59 | jadams | python-pygtk installed, but not python-pygtk-dev |
| 22:18.06 | jadams | shouldn't python-pygtk be enough though?? |
| 22:18.09 | riot | eek. No way i'm gonna pack that much stuff onto my notebook. |
| 22:18.13 | jadams | I still get nothing when I 'import pygtk' |
| 22:18.28 | riot | jadams: i'm trying |
| 22:19.35 | riot | jadams: you shouldn't need the -dev package imho |
| 22:20.06 | jadams | riot: I wouldn't think so |
| 22:20.16 | jadams | I just couldn't import pygtk after isntalling the first one |
| 22:20.43 | jadams | argh |
| 22:20.49 | jadams | I'm down to 5MB free on / though |
| 22:21.00 | thomasg__ | riot, with rm_work you can reduce the size on about 15 gb, but I'd not recommend less space |
| 22:21.40 | riot | thomasg__: yeah, i do have enough, still i'm gonna export that mass to a portable hdd next month.. (i can has more money, plz?!) |
| 22:22.16 | thomasg__ | well, hdd's are not that expensive today :) |
| 22:23.17 | riot | thomasg__: true. I'm just aiming for two 500gb disks, which becomes a bit expensive again.. |
| 22:23.20 | thomasg__ | 250gb sata, 2.5" about $150 |
| 22:23.21 | jadams | I'm playing with python-evas while I wait to see what's up w/ pygtk |
| 22:23.30 | jadams | assuming I don't run out of hdd |
| 22:24.22 | jadams | garr, can't ipkg install python-evas either |
| 22:24.29 | cesarb | rwhitby: how about separating flash-neo-local into two targets, flash-neo-kernel-local and flash-neo-rootfs-local? this way it would be easy to reflash only the rootfs, when you know the kernel didn't change |
| 22:25.49 | riot | hmm.. make setup fails here |
| 22:26.16 | riot | guess i have some permission-problem |
| 22:26.36 | riot | uh, oh. build-env on vfat..FOO!! |
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| 22:29.25 | ocibu | Does anyone build that also has bash_completion loaded? |
| 22:30.39 | jadams | riot: did you try python-pygtk? |
| 22:30.41 | ScaredyCat | root@fic-gta01:~$ ipkg install asterisk |
| 22:30.47 | jadams | ScaredyCat: omfgomfgomfg |
| 22:30.48 | jadams | :) |
| 22:30.58 | riot | wow. pygtk really crams the memory. i have a rather clean 2007.2 here, installed python-pygtk and python-pygtk-dev.. now theres about 3 megs left |
| 22:31.09 | jadams | you got python-pygtk-dev installed? |
| 22:31.12 | jadams | why did mine fail? |
| 22:31.16 | jadams | can you at least import pygtk now? |
| 22:31.19 | riot | jadams: i'm still trying |
| 22:31.23 | jadams | kk, cool |
| 22:31.53 | riot | omg, so many useless dependencies |
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| 22:32.05 | riot | oh, oh no.. just updates, as it seems |
| 22:32.09 | riot | cups!? wtf |
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| 22:32.21 | CM | :) |
| 22:32.36 | ScaredyCat | i can has a pbx in my neo? |
| 22:32.58 | ixs | ScaredyCat: please ask correctly: CAN I HAZ PBX ON PHONE? |
| 22:33.00 | ixs | :-) |
| 22:33.13 | ixs | ohh, and I forgot the HAI in front. :) |
| 22:33.22 | ScaredyCat | sry frgot caps |
| 22:33.55 | ScaredyCat | +KTHXBAI |
| 22:33.59 | ixs | RIGHT! |
| 22:34.16 | CM | ScaredyCat: My makefile complains on pysqlite2 and sqlite3 now, but I have both installed. What changed this weekend? |
| 22:34.22 | ixs | but a working sip solution on the phone should be nice for gta02 |
| 22:34.27 | riot | ixs! |
| 22:34.49 | ixs | riot! |
| 22:34.53 | ixs | du hier? |
| 22:35.04 | ScaredyCat | I CAN!! I CAN |
| 22:35.05 | CM | ScaredyCat: Ah, nice repo you have. :-D |
| 22:35.05 | ScaredyCat | fic-gta01:~$ asterisk -vvvvc |
| 22:35.05 | ScaredyCat | Asterisk 1.4.11, Copyright (C) 1999 - 2007 Digium, Inc. and others |
| 22:35.07 | riot | yo. |
| 22:35.16 | riot | ScaredyCat: crazy! |
| 22:35.20 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 22:35.26 | ScaredyCat | I know, fun eh! |
| 22:35.31 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: Now bring up openoffice! |
| 22:35.35 | riot | ICANHASMOREFLASH?? |
| 22:35.38 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 22:35.41 | ixs | but asterisk is somewhot overblown IMHO. |
| 22:35.47 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 22:35.52 | ixs | riot: HAI! HERE YOU HAZ MICROSD-CARD! |
| 22:35.52 | SpeedEvil | Or google-earth, on qemu. |
| 22:35.54 | riot | I'd rather prefer a working gsmd |
| 22:36.07 | ixs | riot: BUT I HAVE EATEN IT! |
| 22:36.18 | ScaredyCat | CM: dunno, my build last night was ok... not done another today... |
| 22:36.59 | ScaredyCat | HAVE EATED IT is the correct phrase, i believe |
| 22:37.07 | ScaredyCat | HAZ |
| 22:38.19 | ixs | ScaredyCat: I think you might be right... |
| 22:39.22 | riot | jadams: ipkg install python-pygtk-dev |
| 22:39.25 | riot | jadams: works for me |
| 22:40.17 | riot | at least import doesn't output any errors.. print pygtk.__doc__ still leads to "name 'pygtk' is not defined" |
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| 22:40.39 | jadams | riot: can you import pygtk and import gtk ? |
| 22:41.01 | jadams | I installed python-pygtk1.2 and -dev and I can import pygtk, but still can't import gtk |
| 22:41.37 | riot | gnf. no module named cairo |
| 22:42.18 | jadams | riot: but what if you just 'import gtk' ? |
| 22:42.27 | riot | same. i'm installing cairo right now |
| 22:42.27 | jadams | that seems to be the one that's killing me |
| 22:42.35 | jadams | hrm, I don't get that |
| 22:42.42 | riot | hmm. |
| 22:43.37 | riot | that package didn't add anything to python's site-packages |
| 22:45.18 | riot | installed size=0.. funny |
| 22:46.00 | riot | hah! |
| 22:46.20 | riot | install python-pygtk-dev python-pycairo and you're set. |
| 22:46.36 | jadams | wtf? reboot: command not found |
| 22:46.37 | riot | just got a gtkWarning: couldn't open display, because i'm remote without -X ;D |
| 22:46.55 | riot | shutdown -r now |
| 22:47.00 | jadams | ahh |
| 22:47.09 | jadams | shutdown: not found |
| 22:47.10 | jadams | wow |
| 22:47.35 | riot | yep, with -X, i can fully import gtk |
| 22:47.55 | jadams | I need to reinstall rootfs I suppose...what rootfs did you start with? |
| 22:48.04 | jadams | this is crazy...no shutdown |
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| 22:48.20 | riot | uh. took some 2007.2 images 4 days ago |
| 22:48.26 | jadams | k |
| 22:48.32 | riot | i'm too lazy and run out of hd-space to build my own |
| 22:48.47 | jadams | oh I know what happened |
| 22:48.48 | dcordes | does openmoko support x forwarding in ssh? |
| 22:48.50 | jadams | the whole problem |
| 22:48.53 | riot | dcordes: yes |
| 22:48.58 | riot | dcordes: both directions :D |
| 22:49.01 | jadams | I'm sshed in as a non-root user, and some paths aren't in my environment I'm sure |
| 22:49.10 | jadams | hence no shutdown |
| 22:49.13 | jadams | and hence no ldconfig |
| 22:49.19 | dcordes | riot: in angstrom it doesn't - well let me try |
| 22:49.24 | dcordes | maybe that's sync in oe yet |
| 22:49.47 | dcordes | didn't try long time on my zaurus |
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| 22:50.35 | riot | dcordes: i'm doing it. You can read about it some minutes ago ;) |
| 22:50.49 | dcordes | damn nice! |
| 22:50.51 | riot | dcordes: import gtk in python already asks for some x-environment |
| 22:50.52 | dcordes | it is working |
| 22:51.04 | riot | yes, it's quite nice to have :D |
| 22:51.12 | dcordes | pidgin looks funny with the moko ui |
| 22:52.23 | jadams | riot: ok, got my root login working with keys, getting the pygtk stuff going |
| 22:52.27 | jadams | thanks for the help btw |
| 22:52.43 | riot | jadams: evas frightens me. I tried the enlightenment-wm again, today.. still a bag'o'fleas'n'bugs. No way, i'm gonna try more of their software ;) |
| 22:53.20 | riot | jadams: i'd really love to have pygame :) |
| 22:53.36 | jadams | riot: meh, I've loved e since the old days. e17 isn't beta or anything, so bugs are going to be in it. used e16? |
| 22:54.13 | jadams | GARR |
| 22:54.14 | riot | jadams: uh. i dunno. was on my workstation, which is right now... quite... unfit (i'm running badblocks on my os-hdd) |
| 22:54.16 | jadams | NO SPACE LEFT ON DEVICE |
| 22:54.32 | riot | jadams: you ought to swap out less used stuff to your card ;) |
| 22:54.34 | dcordes | riot: oh don't speak of badblocks |
| 22:54.38 | dcordes | my whole system hd is a badblock |
| 22:54.56 | riot | dcordes: its a maxtor. They popped out of /dev/null...!! fu**ing crap. |
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| 22:55.24 | dcordes | Mine is an old samsung which has gone through harsh stunt tests |
| 22:55.32 | riot | Hate that stupid (&"!§ corp. And i'm never going to buy seagate again, either (as they bought that b0rked company) |
| 22:56.02 | riot | to think: maxtor sold "refurbished" disks on the retail-market here in .de... LOLS?!?! |
| 22:56.23 | dcordes | heh I had a maxtor bought in de few years ago |
| 22:56.38 | dcordes | it did it like half a year |
| 22:56.49 | jadams | how do I add a directory to my libs path? |
| 22:56.51 | dcordes | then was completely broken |
| 22:56.59 | jadams | ldconfig-related |
| 22:57.03 | jadams | right? |
| 22:57.22 | cibomahto | technil: I read your addition to bug 747, i think we are having different issues. |
| 22:57.54 | dcordes | riot: can ssh also transport audio so one could make phone calls over it? |
| 22:58.04 | riot | dcordes: d'oh. i don't think so! |
| 22:58.44 | riot | dcordes: it isn't really realtime-capable. |
| 22:59.00 | riot | otoh.. hmmm.. should be possible to tunnel it. |
| 22:59.07 | ixs | riot: refurbished as in new electronic new platters old case? |
| 22:59.17 | riot | ixs: i _don't_ want to know. |
| 22:59.17 | ixs | that should be okay, as long as it's a bit cheaper |
| 22:59.55 | riot | ixs: if you refurbish crap to be new crap, whats okay with that? |
| 23:00.07 | dcordes | lol |
| 23:00.23 | ixs | riot: uhh? they sold them as new? |
| 23:00.38 | riot | ixs: yes, tagged as "refurbished".. maybe 5% cheaper. |
| 23:00.54 | dcordes | obviously I got one of those |
| 23:01.06 | dcordes | my maxtor was the worst hdd ever |
| 23:01.20 | riot | probably drives where the geometry just failed - and they probably readjusted it. Possibly the refurbished are more stable than really new maxtors, because of that... |
| 23:01.33 | dcordes | speaking of hdds |
| 23:01.51 | dcordes | which modules do I need in order to mount a usb hdd? |
| 23:01.58 | dcordes | only usb-storage? |
| 23:02.11 | riot | i DO suspect, that there aren't real defect blocks on my maxtor, just the alignment gone totally weird in some central areas. |
| 23:02.47 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 23:03.01 | SpeedEvil | The alignment on modern (>60M) drives is built into the platters. |
| 23:03.10 | ixs | riot: mhm. If they are tagged as refurbished, I think that's okay. People know what to expect then. |
| 23:03.24 | SpeedEvil | Nobody uses external references anymore, it's all laid down at the factory. |
| 23:03.24 | riot | ixs: true. Refurbished Crap. |
| 23:03.53 | riot | SpeedEvil: yeah, exactly what i meant. They probably just didn't do it very well. The drive never got any shocks or excessive heat. |
| 23:04.01 | ixs | riot: nah, refurbished does not mean crap necessarily... |
| 23:04.03 | riot | And i have already used its full capacity. |
| 23:04.09 | ixs | could be that they just recycled parts. |
| 23:04.17 | riot | ixs: you won't change my opinion on that matter ;P |
| 23:04.24 | ixs | that's okay. |
| 23:04.33 | riot | it's maxtor - it's crap |
| 23:05.00 | ixs | that we can agree on |
| 23:05.04 | riot | (now: it's seagate - it's crap) |
| 23:05.34 | ixs | riot: mhm, with that I'd disagree. Past experience shows that seagate does fare pretty well in our datacenter. |
| 23:05.55 | SpeedEvil | IME, there isn't a big difference that's consistent across all models of a brand. |
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| 23:06.09 | SpeedEvil | So saying maxtor >seagate is hard. for example. |
| 23:06.25 | SpeedEvil | And in any case, no hard drive is reliable enough that it doesn't need backed up if you care about the data |
| 23:06.41 | __Ace__ | when I poll from /input/event1 and keep touching at the same place, I get values +-4 |
| 23:06.48 | __Ace__ | why and how to calibrate this? |
| 23:07.52 | ixs | SpeedEvil: like I said, past experience. And our sample size is limited in fact... |
| 23:09.29 | __Ace__ | EV_ABS |
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| 23:16.50 | dcordes | can somebody help me with my usb hdd now? |
| 23:17.42 | dcordes | It doesn't get a /dev :'( |
| 23:21.11 | jadams | where were the 2007.2 screenshots? |
| 23:22.25 | dcordes | you can also see my famous youtube video :D |
| 23:23.08 | jadams | dcordes: just wanna show 2007.2 to a friend that's asking about it |
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| 23:23.43 | dcordes | jadams: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nSJo07MsZM but it is not sharp and not on a neo :) |
| 23:24.00 | riot | yay. the default-gtk-buttons already look moko-style :D |
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| 23:25.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Repositories]] [[Python_ncurses]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 23:26.22 | SpeedEvil | ixs: I'm not disagreeing with you - just that it probably varies significantly per model. |
| 23:28.15 | jadams | sigh, ran out of space on rootfs again. I need a way to tell it to install ipkg stuff on the sd card |
| 23:28.43 | ljp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:31.56 | riot | hmmm. Is it advisable to keep access to the card to a minimum, because of energy-issues? in other words: does the sd-card-system eat lots of power? |
| 23:32.22 | riot | (i had a series60 phone where installing apps to the mmc-card reduced battery-life by 50%..!) |
| 23:33.17 | SpeedEvil | riot: it will use more power. But not very much more. |
| 23:33.26 | SpeedEvil | The phone at the moment uses insane amounts. |
| 23:33.56 | riot | SpeedEvil: is there any /proc/acpi/battery-like information available to watch the amount it uses? |
| 23:34.19 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 23:35.13 | gcb77 | There's some interesting info in /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/ |
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| 23:38.12 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 23:38.20 | SpeedEvil | Most of it is read-only reports of the settings |
| 23:38.31 | SpeedEvil | the only really interesting ones are battvolt |
| 23:38.34 | SpeedEvil | and chgcur |
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| 23:38.50 | SpeedEvil | but chgcur is not affected predictably by discharge |
| 23:40.26 | riot | whats the nominal battery voltage, when fully charged? |
| 23:41.04 | SpeedEvil | 4200mV |
| 23:41.39 | riot | thx |
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| 23:47.36 | SpeedEvil | 4200=100% 3600=10% 2800=0% |
| 23:49.52 | gcb77 | I have a file with readouts every 10s of the voltage file as it discharged, then fully charged |
| 23:50.09 | gcb77 | It took 3.8 hours to recharge |
| 23:50.37 | SpeedEvil | plausible. |
| 23:50.50 | hads | Hmm, so what was the trick to getting pygtk going? |
| 23:51.31 | jadams | hads: riot got it. he said 'ipkg install python-pygtk-dev python-pycairo' |
| 23:51.41 | jadams | I'm reflashing the device because I ran out of space on rootfs |
| 23:52.19 | hads | Seems like odd packages to install just to get pygtk going. |
| 23:52.27 | jadams | hads: it installs cups! |
| 23:52.27 | riot | hads: yet it works. |
| 23:52.35 | riot | yes, weird..! |
| 23:52.36 | jadams | yeah, it ate up all my space |
| 23:52.46 | riot | now, why.. now you can print with your neo :) |
| 23:53.12 | riot | (and see, cups is now developed largely by apple computers inc. ....) |
| 23:54.49 | hads | That's wrong. There must be some sort of packaging issue there. |
| 23:56.56 | riot | hads: weird dependencies, that is |
| 23:57.41 | hads | You shouldn't need the -dev package and all the -dev dependancies to run pygtk |
| 23:58.05 | riot | hads: sure, but the non-dev-package is b0rked. |
| 23:58.11 | riot | Have you tried it? |
| 23:58.50 | hads | riot: Yes, that's what I'm saying, a packaging issue. |
| 23:59.19 | hads | You are correct thatinstalling the -dev package makes it work, but that shouldn't be the case, so it's a bug. |
| 23:59.53 | ajmitch | should be fairly trivial to fix |
