| 00:00.11 | Any_Key | cesarb, for now I see only AT commands |
| 00:00.40 | jseghers | When I first put this T-mobile SIM in the phone, I was able to both place calls and receive them. Now I just get "Requesting registration" over and over. If I try using the Antenna tray app, I can select an option from the pop-up menu, but then the tray completely disappears. |
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| 00:01.22 | Ghiottone | jseghers, http://pastebin.com/d32848ccf |
| 00:01.52 | cesarb | Any_Key: yeah, you probably will have to stop at uboot (instead of having it boot) and boot it manually, doing a "init=/bin/sh console=ttyS0 rw" trick, to get a prompt on the serial while the GSM is off |
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| 00:08.56 | Any_Key | cesarb, in qemu? hm |
| 00:09.49 | jseghers | Ghiottone: http://pastebin.com/db4d4269 unfortunately I have to take off.. so I won't be able to do any more with this tonight. |
| 00:10.06 | cesarb | Any_Key: yep |
| 00:11.11 | jseghers | Ghiottone: good luck. |
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| 00:14.19 | frma | Is anyones neo booting up with gsmd working, or do you all need to restart it manually ? |
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| 00:17.54 | cesarb | frma: it starts automatically? |
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| 00:23.24 | frma | cesarb: Yes, but at boot it gets no response from the modem (according to /tmp/gsm.log), but if I'm shutting it down and then restart it I can both send and receive calls ? |
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| 00:25.46 | cesarb | frma: gsmd seems to be kinda buggy... I cannot make libgsmd-tool get any answer from gsmd on mine (but then, I've only tested on the official snapshot so far) |
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| 00:26.54 | BabelO | hi |
| 00:26.58 | BabelO | somebody around ? |
| 00:27.49 | BabelO | ~x en ru somebody around ? |
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| 00:28.53 | Ghiottone | hello |
| 00:29.03 | BabelO | hello |
| 00:29.24 | BabelO | have little question about openmoko screen size ? |
| 00:29.39 | BabelO | where can i set correct dpi size ? |
| 00:32.45 | Ghiottone | mmmm |
| 00:32.56 | BabelO | is it -dpi ? |
| 00:33.25 | Ghiottone | xdpyinfo says resolution: 284x285 dots per inch |
| 00:33.29 | Ghiottone | ah |
| 00:33.34 | Ghiottone | set, not see. sorry |
| 00:33.53 | BabelO | Ghiottone: ok i try with -dpi 142 |
| 00:34.07 | BabelO | have a big screen with small resolution |
| 00:34.18 | SpeedEvil | Back off. |
| 00:34.32 | SpeedEvil | Some 1m or so may be an appropriate distance for a 640*480 window |
| 00:34.41 | SpeedEvil | Some 1m or so may be an appropriate distance for a 480*680 window |
| 00:35.00 | Ghiottone | BabelO, it seems that Xserver is started with -dpi 285. so you may be right |
| 00:35.08 | BabelO | SpeedEvil: i have a 3.8 inch and 240x320 |
| 00:35.55 | Ghiottone | then add the -screen parameter as well |
| 00:36.21 | Ghiottone | here is the Neo Xserver cmdline: xinit /etc/X11/Xsession -- /usr/bin/Xfbdev :0 -pn -dpi 285 -screen 480x640 -hide-cursor -root-ppm /usr/share/pixmaps/xsplash.ppm |
| 00:37.41 | BabelO | humm doesn't boot now :( |
| 00:38.33 | SpeedEvil | BabelO: Oh - I thought you were on a PC. What're you bootying? |
| 00:38.58 | BabelO | SpeedEvil: no i m on my htc blueangel |
| 00:42.10 | cesarb | Any_Key: tried the trick of removing /etc/pointercal via booting to init=/bin/sh, doesn't seem to work... it's been several minutes already and the GUI seems to be completely stuck |
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| 00:44.35 | frma | cesarb: Agree, it's kind of buggy and I don't understand why they catch SIGSEGV and does nothing with it... hard to see when it crashes :I |
| 00:46.05 | frma | sesarb: In what stage ? Is it saying starting gui or just the initial boot logo ? |
| 00:46.26 | Any_Key | cesarb, have you tried to run calibration util? |
| 00:47.20 | Any_Key | frma, no it just see clicks at random position in qemu |
| 00:48.53 | cesarb | frma: the "please wait while the gui does misterious things behind your back" screen |
| 00:49.02 | Ghiottone | how can I create the devel part of a package? |
| 00:49.04 | Any_Key | frma, somehow (pressing aux) i've started dialer & now clicking on buutons I never know what will come next |
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| 00:50.11 | sagacis|neo | I updated with ipk over gprs. This is running pretty well now. |
| 00:51.14 | Ghiottone | wow! |
| 00:51.24 | Ghiottone | did you started gprs manually? |
| 00:52.00 | jadams_ | on my laptop, I use the router (192.168.0.55) as my nameserver. This in the resolv.conf for the neo gets me nothing in the way of domain resolution |
| 00:52.16 | jadams_ | sagacis: what carrier? |
| 00:52.44 | sagacis|neo | yes, i had to run pppd from a script i put on the menu list |
| 00:53.13 | sagacis|neo | jadams, use opendns.com |
| 00:53.25 | sagacis|neo | I am on at&t |
| 00:54.13 | sagacis|neo | I cannot seem to use madplay anymore, tho |
| 00:54.23 | SpeedEvil | jada: can you ping your router? |
| 00:54.34 | SpeedEvil | (from the neo) |
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| 00:58.33 | jadams_ | SpeedEvil: I can't. Is there a way to add a route to it? |
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| 00:59.08 | jadams_ | sagacis: I'm on T-Mobile, just got the phone today and got gsm and gprs both working briefly |
| 00:59.23 | sagacis|neo | anybody have success with bluetooth headsets? |
| 00:59.26 | jadams_ | I didn't do ipkg over the gprs though |
| 00:59.31 | jadams_ | I've got one here, haven't tried it out yet |
| 00:59.46 | jadams_ | I can't make calls at present, no SIM. How can I test the headset quickly? |
| 00:59.59 | sagacis|neo | jadams_, ive been working on the combo for abutt 2 weeks |
| 01:00.17 | rwhitby | "GTA02v2" - cool. |
| 01:00.45 | rwhitby | means maybe a month or two until P0 GTA02 devices |
| 01:00.48 | jadams_ | sagacis|neo: document the process anywhere? |
| 01:01.12 | sagacis|neo | I followed the instructions on the wiki to use hcitool cc 99:aa:..., and it said conoected |
| 01:01.17 | BabelO | what is bt chipset on moko ? brf6150 ? |
| 01:01.32 | rwhitby | Some CSR device |
| 01:01.40 | rwhitby | details are probably on the wiki |
| 01:01.42 | sagacis|neo | egad, im switching to a pc now tat im home |
| 01:02.00 | sagacis | OK, much better. |
| 01:02.20 | sagacis | jadams_, I used the wiki instructions for manual gprs. |
| 01:02.59 | sagacis | I just looked. I did have to run 'pppd file /etc/ppp/gprs' from a console window and leave it running (i.e. nodetach and debug both had to be one) |
| 01:03.32 | Any_Key | rwhitby, good to hear |
| 01:04.13 | jadams_ | sagacis: I just get Can't open HCI socket.: Address family not supported by protocol |
| 01:04.55 | sagacis | jadams_, are you running hcid? |
| 01:06.40 | jadams_ | sagacis: 'ps ax|grep hcid' says no |
| 01:06.42 | jadams_ | but 'hcid' doesn't seem to get it running either |
| 01:08.06 | sagacis | run /etc/init.d/bluetooth start |
| 01:10.17 | jadams_ | sagacis: same issue |
| 01:10.46 | jadams_ | I followed the "echo 1 > somewhere" instructions on th ewiki first though, if that might have broken it |
| 01:11.12 | sagacis | That just turns it on. Do 'cat /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-bt.0/power_on ' |
| 01:11.26 | SpeedEvil | jada: route add my.router.ip usb0 |
| 01:11.56 | jadams_ | sagacis: 1 |
| 01:12.13 | BabelO | openmoko look nice on my blueangel ;) need to have small icon an bar also :) |
| 01:12.19 | sagacis | jadams_ So your device says it's powered on. |
| 01:12.19 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:13.29 | sagacis | the script says it runs 'hcid /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf' |
| 01:13.35 | sagacis | try running that from the command line |
| 01:14.00 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:E17]] [[Wishlist:LiveUSB_distro]] [[User:CesarB]] [[User:CesarB/Things_not_to_do_with_your_Neo]] |
| 01:14.39 | jadams_ | SpeedEvil: I'm retarded. I did that on the host, and then I did a 'route del 192.168.0.55' to undo it, and now I can't hit the router from the host |
| 01:15.00 | sagacis | heh... Clever |
| 01:15.09 | sagacis | sounds like something I'd do |
| 01:15.17 | jadams_ | any hints on how to undo my stupid move? :) |
| 01:15.34 | jadams_ | now when I ping 192.168.0.55 I get: ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted |
| 01:15.48 | jadams_ | eww, for anything at all |
| 01:15.50 | sagacis | jadams_: route add my.router.ip? |
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| 01:16.19 | jadams_ | SIOCADDRT: No such device |
| 01:16.20 | sagacis | Actually, do' route add default eth0' |
| 01:16.23 | sagacis | or whichever |
| 01:16.41 | sagacis | or 'ifconfig eth0 up' |
| 01:16.49 | sagacis | or 'ifup eth0' |
| 01:17.06 | sagacis | This assumes eth0 is your host's network connection |
| 01:17.45 | sagacis | heh |
| 01:19.30 | sagacis | Anybody know where the hcitool code is? I'm going to see if I can figure out why 'hcitool cc xx:xx:xx:xx' does nothing. |
| 01:19.46 | jadams_ | eth1, but same issue |
| 01:19.46 | jadams_ | crap |
| 01:19.46 | jadams|g00b | same, same, same |
| 01:19.46 | jadams|g00b | (again, with eth1) |
| 01:19.48 | jadams|g00b | I'm afraid to restart the network connection altogether, for fear I'll lose this lifeline :) |
| 01:20.09 | sagacis | :D |
| 01:22.43 | BabelO | SpeedEvil: is there a way to downscale icons ? just a little ;) |
| 01:23.40 | SpeedEvil | Sorry, dunno. |
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| 01:24.38 | BabelO | :( it look so nice no tomorrow i try gsmd ;) and hope found a way for small icons ;) |
| 01:25.12 | Ghiottone | nite all |
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| 01:37.37 | sagacis | AT&T screwed up my bill! I feel like an iPhone luser! |
| 01:38.03 | sagacis | $200 of download charges on my unlimited data plan! |
| 01:38.11 | Aria | Whoa! |
| 01:40.32 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 01:40.44 | *** part/#openmoko sagacis|neo (n=root@32.131.17.143) |
| 01:43.17 | BabelO | good night all |
| 01:47.13 | sagacis | Man, they suck. |
| 01:47.59 | sagacis | The customer rep says I have no media plan on my account. He is going to fix it for me, he says. |
| 01:49.47 | SpeedEvil | Fix it so you don't need to pay? |
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| 01:50.51 | jadams_ | meh |
| 01:50.55 | jadams_ | now that that's all sorted out |
| 01:51.04 | jadams_ | somehow my loopback got lost |
| 01:51.11 | jadams_ | and my default gateway |
| 01:51.16 | jadams_ | routing tables correted |
| 01:51.40 | jadams_ | and I feel that tiny bit more competent now |
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| 01:52.46 | sagacis | Gotta pay $20, which is what I should have been billed. |
| 01:53.25 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 01:54.03 | SpeedEvil | Currently I pay up to a pound ($2) per day, and 7p/K up to that (crossover 136K) |
| 01:55.43 | Aria | Wow. That's only $60/mo. That's cheap. |
| 01:55.52 | jadams_ | SpeedEvil: ouch. I pay $20/month for unlimited gprs |
| 01:56.01 | Aria | Or is here. |
| 01:56.10 | SpeedEvil | T-mobile (UK) |
| 01:56.54 | SpeedEvil | It's 7.50 ($15) per month, in addition to a contract, plus 20 per month for the cheapest contract. Or Pay as you go, which is up to a pound a day for data. |
| 01:57.15 | SpeedEvil | Which isn't so bad. |
| 01:58.46 | jadams_ | http://pastie.caboo.se/90818 <--there's my routing table on the neo, I can't hit 192.168.0.55 which needs to be my dns |
| 01:58.59 | sagacis | ATT with no plan (pay as you go) is $.01 per KB, which adds up fast if you do an ipkg update over gprs! 11.8M == $118 |
| 01:59.27 | sagacis | OK, gotta go play Wii with my sons. ugt 'Nite (for now) |
| 02:00.22 | Aria | jadams_: That top entry is redundant, but okay. Bet the problem's not on the neo |
| 02:00.27 | Aria | What've you got on the host? |
| 02:00.44 | Aria | (and if you use ip route, it shows a little more info, rather than just route) |
| 02:01.24 | jadams_ | http://pastie.caboo.se/90820 |
| 02:01.31 | jadams_ | that's the host's routing table |
| 02:01.43 | Aria | Ah. Same network on two interfaces. |
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| 02:01.49 | Aria | So you need a more specific route to the neo on the host. |
| 02:02.09 | Aria | It's ugly no matter how you slice it if you do that. |
| 02:02.13 | jadams_ | http://pastie.caboo.se/90821 <-- ip route on both |
| 02:02.40 | jadams_ | the host can talk to the neo though... |
| 02:02.44 | Aria | Hrm |
| 02:02.50 | jadams_ | I'm ssh'd into the neo running these commands |
| 02:02.54 | Aria | That might be a masquerade rule. |
| 02:03.14 | Aria | Can you ping 192.168.0.200 ? |
| 02:03.32 | jadams_ | from both the neo and the laptop, yes |
| 02:04.06 | Aria | So the problem is in forwarding. I bet it's getting confused because eth1 and usb0 are on the same subnet, but separate networks |
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| 02:04.55 | Aria | Easy solution: change the Neo's IP, I bet. s/192.168.0/192.168.1/ |
| 02:05.37 | Aria | (or if your external network is simple, change that.) |
| 02:05.40 | jadams_ | Aria: how would I do that? |
| 02:05.53 | jadams_ | and no, the external network is harder |
| 02:07.09 | weez | wasn't there a caution in the wiki somewhere about installing the sim card ? i cant seem to find it |
| 02:07.12 | cibomahto | jadams: you need to specify a different address in your network config on your pc, i suggest 192.168.1.200 for the pc interface |
| 02:07.36 | jadams_ | nm |
| 02:07.40 | Aria | Lemme see. Not sure I have usbnet on on this host. |
| 02:07.40 | jadams_ | got it, thanks |
| 02:07.43 | Aria | Woot! |
| 02:07.44 | cibomahto | jadams: :-) |
| 02:07.53 | jadams_ | well, got the network interfaces on the new network at least |
| 02:08.26 | Aria | Then masquerade and ip_forwarding and you're good |
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| 02:09.37 | jadams_ | hrm, what should this be then? post-up iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 02:09.52 | jadams_ | the host is .168.0, the neo is .168.1 |
| 02:09.54 | Aria | 192.168.1.0 |
| 02:10.04 | Aria | Oh, host has to be .1 too, on usb0 |
| 02:10.19 | jadams_ | yeah, it is, sorry |
| 02:10.24 | Aria | Good good. |
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| 02:10.56 | Aria | Basically, -s 192.168.1.0/24 is a quick hack for "coming from the neo (or anything vaguely like the neo)" |
| 02:11.11 | Aria | Anything on the usb0 network would go. Being point-to-point, that's of course limited |
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| 02:11.35 | hads | Found a really basic python implementation of T9 like stuff. Interstingly simple. |
| 02:11.35 | jadams_ | Aria: ok, now do I need to add a route on the neo still? |
| 02:11.47 | jadams_ | ping 192.168.1.200 works fine, but ping 192.168.0.55 still fails |
| 02:11.58 | Aria | Nope. The route's superfluous in all cases. |
| 02:12.12 | Aria | The 192.168.1.0/24 route via usb0 handles it |
| 02:12.20 | Aria | Do you have ip_forwarding turned on on the host?\ |
| 02:12.25 | SpeedEvil | Not in 2.0 kernels. |
| 02:12.26 | Aria | (the echo 1 > line) |
| 02:12.31 | SpeedEvil | (IIRC) |
| 02:12.40 | Aria | SpeedEvil: Even there, the way this is set up |
| 02:12.48 | Aria | SpeedEvil: Not that 2.0 has cdc_ether |
| 02:13.12 | jadams_ | Aria: I ran it, yeah |
| 02:13.22 | Aria | Hrm |
| 02:13.33 | jadams_ | how does the 192.168.1.0 route on the neo handle a ping 192.168.0.55 ?? |
| 02:13.58 | Aria | It sees the "default" route, since it doesn't match any of its specifics, sends it to that host (doing a second lookup in the routing table to find out how to get /there/) |
| 02:14.06 | Aria | Then that host has to do the rest. |
| 02:14.11 | jadams_ | hrm |
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| 02:14.45 | jadams_ | still fails |
| 02:14.54 | Aria | Got tcpdump handy? |
| 02:15.01 | Aria | tcpdump -n -i usb0 |
| 02:15.04 | Aria | See if you see the packets |
| 02:15.10 | Aria | If so, it's not the neo's problem |
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| 02:16.12 | jadams_ | not the neo's problem |
| 02:16.28 | Aria | Woot. That's a start. What's iptables look like on your host? |
| 02:16.33 | Aria | iptables -L -t nat |
| 02:18.03 | jadams_ | http://rafb.net/p/IhzP5735.html |
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| 02:18.26 | jadams_ | is it the previous masq for .0.0 that's killing it? |
| 02:19.06 | Aria | Probably, since that refers to your other network |
| 02:19.14 | jadams_ | how do I kill it? |
| 02:19.14 | Aria | iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING 1 |
| 02:19.25 | Aria | (can you tell I do this for a living?) |
| 02:19.45 | jadams_ | yeah |
| 02:19.48 | jadams_ | I killed that one |
| 02:19.51 | jadams_ | still nothing from the neo |
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| 02:20.41 | Aria | Hrm. |
| 02:20.51 | hads | I've been using `iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.0.2` - I don't know iptables well though. |
| 02:21.06 | jadams_ | http://rafb.net/p/o7jYOh22.html |
| 02:21.47 | jadams_ | hads: what's 192.168.0.2 there? |
| 02:22.14 | hads | eth1 is the interface on the host that Neo is plugged into and .2 is the address of that interface |
| 02:22.39 | Aria | jadams_: Remind me what's running on the neo? Pings? |
| 02:23.03 | jadams_ | Aria: I don't understand the question... |
| 02:23.21 | Aria | How are you testing that it's not working? |
| 02:23.43 | jadams_ | Aria: ping 192.168.0.55 fails |
| 02:23.50 | *** join/#openmoko BobOfDoom (i=nobody@210-11-146-57.netspeed.com.au) |
| 02:23.52 | jadams_ | which is the router that it'll be using to get out to the internet |
| 02:24.05 | Aria | And when you run that ping on the neo, do you see it in the tcpdump? |
| 02:24.13 | jadams_ | yeah, that's what's pasted up |
| 02:24.21 | jadams_ | when I ping that IP, the tcpdump I pasted happens |
| 02:24.30 | jadams_ | (ping from the neo, tcpdump from host) |
| 02:24.35 | jadams_ | http://rafb.net/p/o7jYOh22.html |
| 02:25.47 | Aria | Aaah, so only the ssh traffic, the ping doesn't actually make it out of the neo. |
| 02:25.55 | Aria | Double-check the routing table on the neo |
| 02:25.57 | Aria | ip route on the neo |
| 02:26.06 | Aria | (bet the default route disappeared) |
| 02:26.36 | jadams_ | root@fic-gta01:~$ ip route |
| 02:26.36 | jadams_ | 192.168.1.0/24 dev usb0 src 192.168.1.202 |
| 02:26.39 | jadams_ | that's the whole thing |
| 02:26.43 | jadams_ | what should it be? |
| 02:26.43 | Aria | Bingo |
| 02:26.45 | Aria | To test: |
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| 02:26.55 | Aria | ip route add default via 192.168.1.200 |
| 02:27.15 | jadams_ | success! |
| 02:27.16 | Aria | If that works, that'd go in /etc/network/interfaces as the gateway IP |
| 02:27.18 | Aria | Woot! |
| 02:27.44 | jadams_ | yeah, that's everything I needed for now |
| 02:27.56 | jadams_ | ipkg update, etc. work now, so yay |
| 02:28.15 | Aria | Yay! Congrats~ |
| 02:28.32 | Aria | Just mentally substitute .1 for .0 in the docs from now on ;-) |
| 02:28.40 | jadams_ | sure, that part's no prob now |
| 02:28.48 | jadams_ | I'll have to reconfigure it from my work machine on monday now |
| 02:28.53 | jadams_ | but I think I can handle it |
| 02:28.53 | Aria | Yeah. |
| 02:28.58 | Aria | Good, good. |
| 02:29.09 | Aria | Now someone just needs to port NetworkManager to the neo ;-) |
| 02:29.17 | jadams_ | yeah, agreed many times over :) |
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| 02:44.04 | jadams_ | I get audo: /dev/dsp: no such file or directory when I try to run madplay |
| 02:44.09 | jadams_ | s/audo/audio |
| 02:46.29 | sagacis | jadams_, me too |
| 02:47.27 | jadams_ | sagacis: do you have an /etc/alsa directory? |
| 02:48.54 | jadams_ | sagacis: I'm ipkg install(ing) alsa-server right now |
| 02:49.45 | jadams_ | uh oh |
| 02:49.46 | jadams_ | used up / |
| 02:49.56 | jadams_ | hrm, what's the solution here? |
| 02:50.22 | jadams_ | remove some of this stuff, add the card to my path, and set ipkg to install stuff on the card? |
| 02:50.34 | sagacis | jadams_, we're not supposed to have an /etc/alsa any more, I think. |
| 02:50.45 | sagacis | Haven't had it for a while. 2007.2, I think. |
| 02:50.56 | jadams_ | pulseaudio and whatnot |
| 02:50.57 | sagacis | My sound works, in general, just not with madplay |
| 02:51.24 | jadams_ | root@fic-gta01:/etc$ /etc/init.d/pulseaudio start |
| 02:51.24 | jadams_ | Starting the audio server...W: main.c: This program is not intended to be run as root (unless --system is specified). |
| 02:51.27 | jadams_ | E: main.c: daemon startup failed. |
| 02:51.30 | jadams_ | pulseaudio |
| 02:51.44 | sagacis | Don't the other audio components use it? |
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| 02:57.14 | sagacis | jadams_, one of the things we figured out yesterday was to add '/etc/init.d/gsmd stop;/etc/init.d/gsmd start' to /etc/matchbox/session before 'openmoko-dialer2 &' |
| 02:57.25 | sagacis | With that, the gsm starts well every boot |
| 02:58.41 | sagacis | Hey, we got a new fast-charge icon! |
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| 02:59.44 | sagacis | OK, my madplay works now. |
| 03:00.03 | sagacis | jadams_, I seem to be better after the upgrade this afternoon |
| 03:00.05 | sagacis | maybe... |
| 03:00.10 | sagacis | let me try again with grps |
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| 03:02.38 | jadams_ | rootfs is too full and I don't know what to do...thinking about re-flashing for expedience's sake, but meh |
| 03:03.33 | jadams_ | I can't do an ipkg remove right now |
| 03:04.39 | jadams_ | hrm |
| 03:04.45 | jadams_ | openmoko-dialer2 isn't an executable I have |
| 03:04.48 | jadams_ | I have an openmoko-dialer |
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| 03:12.44 | sagacis | jadams_, yup, |
| 03:12.52 | sagacis | openmoko-dialer it is. Sorry |
| 03:13.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management]] [[P1_Owners]] |
| 03:13.57 | jadams_ | alright, well I'm going to flash it and start from scratch again |
| 03:14.14 | jadams_ | incorporate your fix there |
| 03:18.50 | sagacis | OK. I did an ipkg upgrade instead of a new flash |
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| 03:22.28 | sagacis | daMaestro: Good morning (uct) |
| 03:22.55 | daMaestro | sagacis, moin |
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| 03:25.12 | mwester | Gack! md5sum is wrong for http://downloads.sleepycat.com/db-4.3.29.tar.gz |
| 03:31.37 | jadams_ | sagacis: I only did a new flash because I used up all the disk space and wanted a second chance :) |
| 03:34.20 | hads | Cool, I now have a simple pygtk T9 like input example going. |
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| 03:38.42 | rwhitby | morning |
| 03:39.31 | mwester | good morning, mr rwhitby |
| 03:39.52 | rwhitby | got your phone yet? |
| 03:39.57 | mwester | yep |
| 03:40.36 | mwester | I'm watching my disk space disappear as I build the latest images. I guess I should have cleaned out the old 2007.1 stuff first... :-D |
| 03:40.43 | ExxonValdeez | hm, still trying to figure out how to get tapping working in qemu |
| 03:41.26 | sagacis | jadams_, did you erase rootfs first? |
| 03:41.33 | rwhitby | mwester: BTW, dfu-util on slugos works nicely to flash the neo |
| 03:43.06 | mwester | heh - I didn't even think of that. I built and installed on my main build machine... |
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| 03:51.47 | hhf423 | re |
| 03:52.30 | rwhitby | mwester: I have mine connected to the fsg-3 router and flash from there. |
| 03:52.52 | rwhitby | (since dfu-util doesn't work from vmware) |
| 04:01.23 | cibomahto | I have been having a problem while building 2007.2 using MokoMakeFile, uicmoc4-native fails to build. does anyone know what to do about this? |
| 04:01.26 | cibomahto | the complete error I am getting is at: http://pastebin.com/m3ae75cb9 |
| 04:05.03 | rwhitby | cibomahto: dunno about that one. that package has been recently changed by mickey|offline |
| 04:06.03 | cibomahto | rwhitby: ok, thanks, i just found that he opened a new bug report for it as well |
| 04:06.33 | rwhitby | it built for me earlier today on 32 bit Debian Etch |
| 04:07.38 | cibomahto | hmm, i guess it might be time to start building things in a 32bit environment :-) |
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| 04:09.18 | rwhitby | it does seem to be the path of least resistance if your goal is not to spend your time debugging build issues. |
| 04:15.32 | cibomahto | thanks for answering though. I'll see if i can figure out whats going on |
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| 04:16.23 | hhf423 | did anyone here got bluetooth to work? |
| 04:19.53 | rwhitby | STR=`AT+CFUN=1' |
| 04:19.54 | rwhitby | RSTR=`+CME ERROR: 10' |
| 04:19.56 | rwhitby | Hmm |
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| 04:20.24 | sagacis | hhf423: Nope, not really. I hear some BT keyboards are working. |
| 04:20.35 | sagacis | hhf423: I've failed at connecting my BT headset |
| 04:21.14 | hhf423 | sagacis: with 2007.2? |
| 04:21.19 | sagacis | yup |
| 04:21.24 | sagacis | today's build |
| 04:21.27 | hhf423 | oh, interesting |
| 04:21.49 | sagacis | It finds the headset, and I can see the 'info', but when I 'cc', nothing happens |
| 04:21.50 | hhf423 | what do you get on hciconfig |
| 04:22.07 | sagacis | nada |
| 04:22.20 | hhf423 | I only get "Address family not supported by protocol" |
| 04:22.34 | sagacis | That's what jadams_ was getting |
| 04:22.56 | hhf423 | hmmm |
| 04:23.24 | sagacis | WIth hciconfig, I get 'No such device'. I didn't notice that before. |
| 04:23.27 | hhf423 | what happens when you do "modprobe gta01-pm-bt" |
| 04:23.39 | sagacis | On the other hand, I can query the device with hcitool. |
| 04:23.44 | jadams_ | alright, I've got a fresh 2007.08.24 image |
| 04:24.07 | jadams_ | I'd like to install some stuff via ipkg to /media/card to avoid the nastiness I just ran into re: full disk |
| 04:24.11 | sagacis | hhf423: are you sure that's the right one? |
| 04:24.14 | jadams_ | anyone done that? |
| 04:24.20 | hhf423 | jadams_ you should be able to stay current with just ipkg updates |
| 04:24.32 | sagacis | jadams_, what are you planning to install? |
| 04:24.44 | rwhitby | heh - I was ssh'd to the wrong neo - I only have a sim in one of them |
| 04:24.45 | jadams_ | hhf423: yeah, I reinstalled because I ran out of disk space and all kinds of things couldn't be done any more |
| 04:24.47 | sagacis | ooo... I'm pretty much full, too, with pidgin and minimo loaded |
| 04:24.50 | jadams_ | sagacis: ruby, mysql, others |
| 04:24.59 | sagacis | rwhitby: I was smart. I only bought one! |
| 04:25.07 | sagacis | mysql on a phone? |
| 04:25.08 | hhf423 | sagacis: where did you get pidgin from? |
| 04:25.11 | jadams_ | minimo? Tried the webkit-based one? |
| 04:25.24 | sagacis | 'bitbake pidgin' |
| 04:25.29 | hhf423 | ah, ok |
| 04:25.41 | hhf423 | what happens when you do "modprobe gta01-pm-bt" |
| 04:25.43 | sagacis | jadams_, I haven't seen how to build it. minimo just built. |
| 04:25.52 | sagacis | hhf423: module not found |
| 04:25.56 | jadams_ | sagacis: ScaredyCat's repository has a package for it |
| 04:26.01 | jadams_ | runs google maps fine |
| 04:26.03 | hhf423 | sagacis: and "modprobe hci_usb" ? |
| 04:26.26 | sagacis | hci_usb seems ok |
| 04:26.54 | sagacis | lsmod shows: ohci_hcd, hci_usb... |
| 04:26.56 | sagacis | bluetooth... |
| 04:27.00 | jadams_ | once I can get the phone and the nokia bluetoothing, I should be good to go on wifi/gprs sharing betwixt 'em |
| 04:27.01 | hhf423 | hmm, hcitool scan says "Device is not available: Address family not supported by protocol |
| 04:27.12 | jadams_ | hhf423: yeah, that's what I had |
| 04:27.19 | sagacis | jadams_, where's SC's repo? |
| 04:27.29 | hhf423 | jadams_ "had" as in you solved it? |
| 04:27.48 | jadams_ | hhf423: 'had' as in I started over and haven't gotten back to bluetooth yet :) |
| 04:27.53 | hhf423 | sagacis: look in wiki under repositories, I put a description in |
| 04:27.57 | jadams_ | sagacis: wiki, search 'repositories' |
| 04:28.03 | sagacis | k |
| 04:28.27 | hhf423 | jadams_: ah, ok. let me know if it works with your latest snapshot |
| 04:29.47 | jadams_ | mtpaint's pretty fun on it |
| 04:30.34 | gcb77 | what's the module package for BT called? |
| 04:31.49 | sagacis | bluetooth |
| 04:32.10 | sagacis | from lsmod: bluetooth 48512 6 rfcomm,hidp,l2cap,hci_usb |
| 04:39.47 | jadams_ | sagacis: alright, so I've got the stop/start stuff going on before openmoko-dialer loads |
| 04:39.57 | jadams_ | not sure that it's solved it for me though |
| 04:40.11 | jadams_ | well...worked when I restarted the xserver just fine |
| 04:40.14 | sagacis | df With minimo installed: 94%. with minimo removed: 82%. with webkit-gdklauncher installed: 81%. It's -1%! |
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| 04:43.25 | jadams_ | sagacis: awesome, so my phone works (gsmd) from boot now, thanks to your suggestino |
| 04:43.26 | sagacis | hhf423: So, I found webkit-jdklauncher, but where's the webkit-gtk package? |
| 04:43.37 | sagacis | We should put that in the wiki somewheres |
| 04:43.39 | jadams_ | next step is to get it auto-connecting via gprs whenever I need internet and I don't have it |
| 04:44.03 | sagacis | jadams_, probably not going tohappen immediately. The gsmd doesn't know about gprs. |
| 04:44.15 | sagacis | AFAK |
| 04:44.19 | jadams_ | sagacis: nah, I had gprs working earlier |
| 04:44.19 | sagacis | AFAIK |
| 04:44.33 | sagacis | jadams_, I have gprs working, but not automagically |
| 04:44.39 | jadams_ | just a matter of setting linux up to auto-connect the same way you would have with dial up though |
| 04:44.43 | jadams_ | since it's just using pppd |
| 04:45.03 | sagacis | OK. It won't disconnect, though, rihgT? |
| 04:45.05 | sagacis | right? |
| 04:45.23 | sagacis | Also, I haven't gotten it to stay up unless I run it in a terminal |
| 04:45.24 | jadams_ | what do you mean? and I have no way of speaking with authority, I'm too much of a ren00b on this stuff |
| 04:45.38 | jadams_ | yeah, I've only run it in a terminal so far |
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| 04:46.11 | sagacis | jadams_, The only way I know to disconnect is to ctrl-c or kill the process |
| 04:46.37 | hhf423 | webkit-gtk should also be there |
| 04:47.25 | hhf423 | oot@fic-gta01:~$ ipkg list |grep webkit-gtk |
| 04:47.27 | hhf423 | libwebkitgdk-dbg - 0.0+svn20070824-r1 - Version 0.0+svn20070824-r1 of package webkit-gtk |
| 04:47.32 | hhf423 | and so on |
| 04:47.59 | sagacis | Nope, but I have four sources of the webkit stuff... |
| 04:48.16 | sagacis | Right, but none are the root webkit-gtk package, right? |
| 04:48.21 | sagacis | Where's the bin? |
| 04:49.57 | hhf423 | isn't that installed with e.g. midori? |
| 04:50.04 | jadams_ | midori |
| 04:50.12 | jadams_ | sagacis: ipkg install midori (ftw) |
| 04:50.55 | jadams_ | all I know, is exporting totem to the neo made me smile a bunch |
| 04:50.58 | sagacis | man I'm tired.... |
| 04:51.03 | sagacis | ;-) |
| 04:51.29 | sagacis | Mucho bettero |
| 04:51.54 | jadams_ | would someone be willing to dial my phone to see if it'll ring for incoming calls? |
| 04:52.57 | sagacis | jadams: sure. No other phone in your possession? |
| 04:53.04 | jadams | it's late and I want to play with it, but i told the girlfriend to call me back and want to at least *know* whether I'm neglecting or not :) |
| 04:53.05 | sagacis | Assuming you're US, that is |
| 04:53.08 | jadams | sagacis: or I wouldn't ask :) |
| 04:53.17 | jadams | msg |
| 04:53.18 | hhf423 | jadams: sure I can call anywhere |
| 04:53.40 | sagacis | let me know. I'd love to test the dialer anyway |
| 04:53.58 | jadams | sagacis: test the dialer. number's in a msg to you |
| 04:54.56 | sagacis | maybe ringing |
| 04:55.16 | jadams | I've got nothing |
| 04:55.52 | jadams | I just made an outgoing call, but who knows if it's still working... |
| 04:56.16 | jadams | eww |
| 04:56.20 | jadams | dialer crashed when I hit dial |
| 04:56.27 | jadams | seems like I've got a one-call-maximum at the moment |
| 04:56.31 | sagacis | mine, too. |
| 04:56.36 | sagacis | Ringing on another phone now |
| 04:56.37 | sagacis | ring |
| 04:56.42 | sagacis | ring |
| 04:56.50 | sagacis | 4 rings |
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| 04:57.27 | jadams | msg again |
| 04:58.40 | jadams | alright, taking the SIM out for now |
| 04:59.02 | jadams | since I can't receive calls reliably and am expecting one. Tomorrow, though |
| 04:59.11 | jadams | this thing already ate up all my time today |
| 04:59.15 | jadams | I'm scared |
| 04:59.23 | jadams | and I need to focus on bluetooth |
| 04:59.30 | jadams | so I can get a fabric bt keyboard rocking |
| 05:00.12 | sagacis | I tried to dial again, and dialer crashed again. |
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| 05:00.34 | gcb77 | I added scaredycat's repo, and upgrade installed new kernel packages |
| 05:00.45 | gcb77 | now all the modules are out of sync with the kernel |
| 05:00.56 | sagacis | midori doesn't have a desktop entry installed? |
| 05:01.04 | jadams | sagacis: not yet |
| 05:01.09 | jadams | run it from rxvt on the device |
| 05:01.13 | gcb77 | Can I update the kernel or do I have to flash a new one? |
| 05:01.20 | sagacis | sure, but the minimo had a nice globe icon |
| 05:01.35 | sagacis | gcb77: I don't know.... You should be able to ipkg it |
| 05:01.55 | hhf423 | gcb77: interesting, that did not happen to me |
| 05:02.16 | gcb77 | uname -a shows fic-gta01 2.6.21.5-moko10 |
| 05:02.43 | sagacis | ouch. 2.6.22 is the current version. |
| 05:03.06 | gcb77 | I have both kernel-2.6.21.5-moko10 and kernel-2.6.21.6-moko11 installed |
| 05:03.08 | hhf423 | fic-gta01 2.6.21.5-moko10 #1 |
| 05:03.40 | jadams | I, too, have 2.6.21.5 |
| 05:03.49 | hhf423 | hmm, sagacis 2.6.22 is in the latest snapshop or what? |
| 05:03.56 | jadams | |
| 05:03.57 | jadams | fic-gta01 2.6.21.5-moko10 |
| 05:04.44 | sagacis | oh, sorry |
| 05:04.44 | hhf423 | nah http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/?C=M;O=D also only has 2-6-21 -- but .6 tho |
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| 05:04.52 | sagacis | the snapshot IS 2.6.21.5-moko10 |
| 05:05.09 | sagacis | I guess the .22 was before the 2007.2 switch |
| 05:05.31 | gcb77 | heh... if I remove 2.6.21.5-moko10 I should still have 2.6.21.6-moko11, right? |
| 05:05.51 | jadams | hrm. when I run hciconfig now it just returns nothing |
| 05:06.06 | jadams | root@fic-gta01:~$ hcitool scan |
| 05:06.06 | jadams | Device is not available: No such device |
| 05:06.26 | hhf423 | hmm, I'll go flash the 2.6.21.6 |
| 05:06.32 | hhf423 | see what gives |
| 05:06.33 | sagacis | jadams: Yay! You caught up with me... :( |
| 05:06.38 | jadams | sagacis: heh |
| 05:06.59 | jadams | raster: as in rasterman? Or no...he's not from jp I dun think... |
| 05:07.05 | jadams | (I know he's not japanese) |
| 05:07.40 | raster | ばか！！！ |
| 05:07.48 | jadams | sagacis: echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-bt.0/power_on |
| 05:07.49 | Aria | jadams: the username was right earlier, in .jp. People travel and visit and work other places too. |
| 05:07.52 | jadams | do that, then hciconfig |
| 05:07.55 | raster | 日本にすんでますよ！ |
| 05:08.06 | sagacis | jadams: Already did that... |
| 05:08.19 | jadams | sagacis: then /etc/init.d/bluetooth stop (then start) |
| 05:08.24 | sagacis | and then rebooted... Hang on |
| 05:08.48 | raster | i am from many places |
| 05:08.56 | sagacis | I was excited about minimo, but midori rocks in comparison! It's MUCH faster. |
| 05:08.57 | jadams | raster: are you by chance from #e? |
| 05:08.58 | raster | where i irc from does not mean it means i come from there |
| 05:09.15 | raster | maybe most people you know are born, grow up, live and die in 1 town |
| 05:09.17 | jadams | oh meh, we all understands the internets |
| 05:09.23 | raster | but there are others tht don't |
| 05:09.24 | raster | :) |
| 05:09.29 | jadams | oh stfu, I've lived on two continents :) |
| 05:09.49 | raster | i've lived on 5 |
| 05:09.54 | jadams | I was just trying to ask the question efficiently (in terms of characters). Clearly I've failed horribly |
| 05:10.04 | raster | i have been to 6 |
| 05:10.11 | jadams | while living on any of those five, were you involved in imlib? :) |
| 05:10.23 | raster | i need to yet visit antarctica |
| 05:10.28 | jadams | I've been to three |
| 05:10.31 | gcb77 | ok, anyone want to place bets? I removed both kernel versions (moko10 and moko11) and I re-installed moko11. What are the odds I'll have to reflash a kernel? |
| 05:10.32 | raster | just to be able to say i have been to every continent :) |
| 05:10.48 | hhf423 | gcb77: no idea I pass :-) |
| 05:10.50 | jadams | gcb: 85% |
| 05:10.52 | raster | jadams: yes - i wrote that once apon a time |
| 05:10.56 | raster | in a land far far away |
| 05:10.58 | raster | literally |
| 05:11.01 | raster | far far away |
| 05:11.29 | jadams | alrighty then :) Many thanks go out to you, as e was what got me interested in linux in the first place back when I was stupid and themeability mattered more to me than either software or freedom :) |
| 05:11.38 | hhf423 | raster: these days you can get almost anywhere civilized within 24h if you have proper management support |
| 05:12.10 | raster | hhf423: what management suport in particular? |
| 05:12.22 | jadams | hrm...hcitool scan isn't picking up my headset |
| 05:12.32 | hhf423 | raster: just a manner of speaking |
| 05:12.42 | raster | jadams: tnx :) |
| 05:12.53 | raster | hhf423: u can get anywhere - with enough money |
| 05:12.55 | raster | :) |
| 05:12.58 | hhf423 | raster: whatever management matters to you :-) |
| 05:12.59 | sagacis | hcitool scan finds mine. hcitool info does too. |
| 05:13.06 | sagacis | hcitool cc does nothing |
| 05:13.14 | jadams | garr...don't know if it's just this headset, never used it with anything |
| 05:13.19 | jadams | got it off of woot a while back |
| 05:13.27 | sagacis | Verizon? |
| 05:13.37 | jadams | didn't work with my failure of a phone from Amp'd Mobile |
| 05:13.46 | jadams | it's a Mustek |
| 05:14.00 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Alabama]] [[Talk:Manually_using_Bluetooth]] [[Main_Page/kr]] |
| 05:14.01 | sagacis | Bummer. Got mine off woot two weeks ago |
| 05:14.35 | sagacis | according to hcitool scan it's a: LG HBM-710, branded "Verizon" |
| 05:14.52 | sagacis | I'll put a sticker over the marque if I can get it to work. |
| 05:15.25 | sagacis | TiVo sux. LinuxMCE! |
| 05:15.49 | sagacis | Hey, I have a BT connection! |
| 05:15.52 | bmidgley | is it safe to flash a mokomakefile-generated uboot-gta01bv4-latest.bin? |
| 05:16.05 | Aria | bmidgley: Do you have a development board? |
| 05:16.10 | sagacis | But it dies before a second or two |
| 05:16.12 | Aria | er, debug? |
| 05:16.16 | bmidgley | no |
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| 05:16.39 | gcb77 | The good news is that the NEO came back up and is running, but ipkg can't install new kernel :( |
| 05:16.41 | sagacis | I get: "Connections: < ACL 00:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx handle 42 state 1 lm MASTER " |
| 05:16.52 | jadams | hey LaF0rge |
| 05:16.53 | hhf423 | boyyy, this .6 kernel takes an insane time to boot the first time |
| 05:16.57 | bmidgley | there was a note with the 2007.2 snapshot saying a uboot update was needed or recommended |
| 05:17.17 | sagacis | A uboot update is recommended, but I haven't done it yet. |
| 05:17.29 | hhf423 | bmidgley: I think it is save to flash the u-boot on the openmoko site. I did it and had no issues |
| 05:17.39 | sagacis | So, does anybody know what that BT message means? |
| 05:18.31 | bmidgley | sagacis: what message |
| 05:18.41 | bmidgley | hhf423: url? |
| 05:18.45 | hhf423 | fic-gta01 2.6.21.6-moko11 |
| 05:19.27 | gcb77 | hhf423: did it work? |
| 05:19.39 | hhf423 | bmidgley: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/ there is the ubott which fixes the bug which required nand erase in the past |
| 05:20.06 | hhf423 | gcb77: i flashed the .6 kernel and so far not much is different |
| 05:20.08 | jadams | hhf423: what's the importance of the uboot update? |
| 05:21.34 | hhf423 | jadams: it fixes a bug where sometimes a few mb did not get properly erased when flashing a new image which is smaller that the one on the device or so |
| 05:21.51 | sagacis | bmidgley: ACL 00:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx handle 42 state 1 lm MASTER |
| 05:22.04 | hhf423 | jadams: basically, no nand erase required no more with the new uboot |
| 05:22.07 | jadams | aha...so it doesn't affect me at present |
| 05:22.24 | gcb77 | hhf423: what's the url to the kernel image you flashed? |
| 05:22.45 | hhf423 | gcb77: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/?C=M;O=D |
| 05:22.48 | bmidgley | sagacis: was that in the log or did you run something that printed that |
| 05:24.17 | hhf423 | ooooh |
| 05:24.26 | hhf423 | bluetooth is now working! |
| 05:25.07 | bmidgley | what happens if you don't nand erase and also don't upgrade uboot? |
| 05:25.08 | sagacis | bmidgley: hcitool cc, followed immediately by hcitool con. |
| 05:25.19 | sagacis | hhf423: working still? Mine drops after about a second |
| 05:25.27 | sagacis | maybe my passkey isn't working? |
| 05:25.34 | hhf423 | root@fic-gta01:~$ hcitool scan |
| 05:25.35 | hhf423 | Scanning ... |
| 05:25.37 | hhf423 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:26.04 | sagacis | hhf423: connect to it with "hcitool cc 00:19:63:04:78:AB" |
| 05:26.12 | sagacis | then, you should see it with "hcitool con" |
| 05:26.21 | bmidgley | segacis: did you start a passkey agent? |
| 05:26.27 | sagacis | yes |
| 05:28.38 | sagacis | I get a "Passkey-agent released" after the connection |
| 05:28.59 | bmidgley | segacis: what are you trying to connect to |
| 05:29.28 | sagacis | A headset |
| 05:30.11 | bmidgley | last time i checked, bluez utils was not being built with headset support enabled |
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| 05:31.00 | sagacis | well, that could be a restriction on using it, eh? |
| 05:31.04 | bmidgley | wish me luck... i'm flashing u-boot |
| 05:31.16 | sagacis | I didn't even think that would be the case. |
| 05:31.30 | raster | tyime to rebuild this moko foo |
| 05:31.32 | sagacis | maybe I'd have better luck if I tried supported hardware? |
| 05:31.57 | hhf423 | hmm, hcitool cc <address> gives nothing |
| 05:32.45 | sagacis | hhf423: Right. Nothing seemst o happen |
| 05:33.06 | sagacis | hhf423: I always got nothing, but I tried hcitool con right after it and saw the connection briefly |
| 05:33.11 | bmidgley | ok i think it worked |
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| 05:34.09 | hhf423 | bmidgley: good |
| 05:34.18 | sagacis | all right. I must hit the sack. Morning is creeping up and I have a busy day tomorrow. |
| 05:34.42 | hhf423 | good night sagacis |
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| 05:38.57 | bmidgley | anyone in ubuntu got usb0 autoconfiguring properly? |
| 05:39.09 | bmidgley | i have to ifdown usb0; ifup usb0 |
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| 05:39.14 | bmidgley | or it has no address assigned |
| 05:40.12 | Linux_Galore | looks like someone has got OM 2007.2 running on a HTC phone http://www.flickr.com/photos/ph5/1194094827/ |
| 05:40.49 | raster | fat fonts! |
| 05:42.06 | hhf423 | hmm, pand does not work |
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| 05:43.19 | gcb77 | woo hoo, I have modules now too :) thanks hhf423 |
| 05:43.44 | hhf423 | gcb77: glad I could help |
| 05:43.54 | roh | bmidgley edit /etc/udev/rules.d/85-ifupdown.rules |
| 05:44.45 | roh | bmidgley http://pastebin.ca/669902 is mine that works |
| 05:44.47 | hhf423 | bmidgley: the advice in wiki / usb networking worked for me |
| 05:45.06 | roh | net_end is at the wrong position or so |
| 05:53.00 | bmidgley | argh. it STILL comes up with no address until i ifdown usb0;ifup usb0 |
| 05:53.04 | hhf423 | sigh, one more try with bluetooth and then back to bed |
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| 05:55.27 | bmidgley | ipkg upgrading... |
| 05:57.12 | bmidgley | guess i should reboot it now |
| 05:59.38 | bmidgley | is the alsactl stuff required or does the dialer take care of it now |
| 06:00.49 | hhf423 | bmidgley: the dialer should take care of it |
| 06:00.55 | hhf423 | bmidgley: and mostly does |
| 06:01.05 | bmidgley | hey the date got set somehow |
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| 06:05.40 | hhf423 | does someone have a working time server? |
| 06:05.57 | Aria | pool.ntp.org |
| 06:06.14 | hhf423 | aria tried that, always get timeout or connection refused |
| 06:07.16 | blindcoder | moin |
| 06:07.27 | hhf423 | moin |
| 06:07.36 | hhf423 | ahh ptbtime1.ptb.de worked |
| 06:07.36 | Aria | pool.us.ntp.org? |
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| 06:14.18 | bmidgley | what's the new magic to get the onscreen keyboard? |
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| 06:15.15 | bizkut | allo |
| 06:15.37 | bizkut | i got ERROR: Openembedded's config sanity checker detected a potential misconfiguration. |
| 06:15.49 | bizkut | what's wrong with it? |
| 06:15.49 | aloril | bizkut: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 06:16.10 | hhf423 | bmidgley: it should pop up automagically |
| 06:16.34 | bmidgley | not for terminal i guess |
| 06:16.35 | hhf423 | bmidgley: if not, start the input manager and then its the same like before (rectangle on top) |
| 06:18.31 | bizkut | i got MokoMakefile problem |
| 06:21.03 | mwester | bizkut: The text around that error message will tell you what the problem is that the config sanity checker discovered. |
| 06:21.07 | bmidgley | will ipkg upgrades be sufficient from now on? |
| 06:21.28 | bmidgley | i guess that doesn't cover kernel upgrades... |
| 06:21.36 | rwhitby | bizkut: and what did bitbake print out after that? |
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| 06:23.48 | bizkut | rwhitby Either fix the cause of this error or at your own risk disable the checker (see sanity.conf). |
| 06:24.37 | rwhitby | have you read any further, where it actually says what the error is? |
| 06:24.54 | bizkut | Following is the list of potential problems / advisories: |
| 06:24.55 | bizkut | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.08 | bizkut | thats all |
| 06:25.14 | rwhitby | isn't that enough? |
| 06:25.18 | bizkut | i got help2man on my system |
| 06:25.27 | bizkut | that's all i got on screen |
| 06:25.37 | bizkut | make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Error 1 |
| 06:25.42 | rwhitby | what's the output of "which help2man" ? |
| 06:26.23 | bizkut | . /usr/bin/which: no help2man in (/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/home/bizkut/bin) |
| 06:26.32 | bizkut | emm |
| 06:26.34 | bizkut | missing |
| 06:26.44 | bizkut | ./usr/bin/help2man |
| 06:26.48 | bizkut | that |
| 06:26.57 | bizkut | yeah |
| 06:27.10 | bizkut | LOL help2man is missing |
| 06:27.14 | bizkut | sorry |
| 06:27.21 | bizkut | thanks rwhitby |
| 06:27.21 | bizkut | :P |
| 06:29.09 | rwhitby | ~emulate rwhitby |
| 06:29.10 | apt | Well, my work here is done. |
| 06:29.27 | bmidgley | ah... changing allow-hotplug to auto made it work |
| 06:29.35 | bmidgley | also upgraded to gutsy ifupdown package |
| 06:31.14 | bmidgley | segacis: asleep? found out bluez utils now enable audio server |
| 06:32.21 | rwhitby | bmidgley: I'm currently trying starting from the 2007.08 snapshot and ipkg upgrading from there. |
| 06:32.38 | rwhitby | (to see if that will get my gsmd staying alive) |
| 06:33.44 | bmidgley | argh I can get python but not python-dbus |
| 06:33.57 | bmidgley | need the latter for bluetooth dbus scripts |
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| 06:53.56 | gcb77 | rwhitby: I'm trying to build using the MokoMakefile in a vm w/ 10GB available and it keeps running out of disk space... I already have rm_work set |
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| 06:54.10 | gcb77 | does it just take a lot more space now? |
| 06:56.47 | rwhitby | gcb77: dunno |
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| 06:57.56 | bmidgley | segacis: when you are awake, have a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Headset_Audio |
| 06:59.10 | bmidgley | we could really use python-dbus for working over the bluetooth services :) |
| 07:03.52 | xkr47 | DukeOfURL, ok.. |
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| 07:06.51 | gcb77 | oh wow, does anyone have mtpaint on the NEO? |
| 07:10.32 | gcb77 | when I start it from the Terminal (mrxvt) its really choppy, can't draw a straight line |
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| 07:10.51 | gcb77 | but when I ssh in, export the display, and start it from there its really really smooth |
| 07:14.20 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Manually_using_Bluetooth]] [[Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem]] [[User:Hhf423]] |
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| 07:30.33 | rwhitby | gcb77: that's cause the graphics on the neo is the bottleneck, not the cpu power. |
| 07:30.53 | rwhitby | gcb77: my 2007.2 build is 6.7GB with rm_work enabled |
| 07:32.33 | gcb77 | rwhitby: there's got to be something else... I'm exporting the display to the NEO |
| 07:32.44 | cjb_ie | and is that a graphics driver problem or a graphics hardware bandwidth problem? |
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| 07:33.35 | rwhitby | oh, I thought you were running on the neo and displaying somewhere else |
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| 07:34.20 | gcb77 | I ssh in and export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 07:34.25 | gcb77 | then start mtpaint |
| 07:34.52 | rwhitby | oh, I completely misunderstood then |
| 07:35.07 | rwhitby | no idea why that would make a difference |
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| 07:38.03 | gcb77 | It takes the same amount of CPU from both places, between 30% and 50% while drawing |
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| 07:50.48 | Linux_Galore | I was looking at a cheap second hand Palm Tungsten-E today wondering if it would run Linux, bugger me it does and it looks pretty cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESCqQdsIoLI |
| 07:53.52 | gcb77 | Linux_Galore: yeah, I played with that for a while... a lot of the credit for that goes to balrog-kun ( he was on this channel for a while ) |
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| 07:55.26 | gcb77 | I've been looking at the mtpaint performance... if you: export HOME=/home/root from mrxvt its really fast |
| 07:57.23 | Linux_Galore | gcb77: if the PDA is still in the shop next weekIm going to grab it and do some Linux hacking |
| 07:58.10 | Linux_Galore | gcb77: US $50 for a second hand Tungsten-E in good condition isnt too bad |
| 08:02.37 | cjb_ie | Linux_Galore: ooh, nice |
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| 08:10.51 | Linux_Galore | cjb_ie: my Zaurus 5600 packed up 2 weeks ago and now I have nothing to hack on :-(, this Tungsten-E may tide me over before I start rewiring the house |
| 08:11.22 | mdt | Linux_Galore, hey, the iphone is hacked - just port openmoko to it.... ;) |
| 08:11.49 | cjb_ie | rewiring the house seems like a bit of an extreme reaction to lack of hacking opportunity... |
| 08:12.38 | Linux_Galore | cjb_ie: its a saying not a literal |
| 08:14.31 | Linux_Galore | I have Linux running on my iPOD and Im working on getting a keyboard also up and going with it |
| 08:16.03 | Linux_Galore | www.ipodlinux.org |
| 08:18.19 | cjb_ie | cool. a friend of mine put up an evil comic about linux on ipods :( |
| 08:19.06 | cjb_ie | can't find the url though |
| 08:21.28 | gcb77 | oh wow, we really need an image viewer... |
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| 08:23.48 | cjb_ie | oh, got it: http://www.monkeyfight.org/ipodlinux.jpg - i hasten to add that's from a couple of years back |
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| 08:25.36 | mdt | :D nice comic... |
| 08:25.57 | cjb_ie | i'll tell him you complimented his artwork :-) |
| 08:27.03 | mdt | cjb_ie, it's more the text than the artwork ;) |
| 08:28.41 | madwoota | heh, nice |
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| 08:36.48 | cibomahto | cd .. |
| 08:36.52 | cibomahto | oops, sorry |
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| 08:40.31 | Linux_Galore | new GP2X on the way and its "touch screen" http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gaming/gp2x-f+200-portable-game-system-has-divx-xvid-and-emulator-support-293303.php |
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| 08:41.30 | Dogg | http://www.streetracers.de.tp/?wid=9128 |
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| 09:02.26 | torpor | Linux_Galore: lovely system .. i have 5 gp2x's myself .. will probably get one of the new ones when its ready.. |
| 09:02.44 | gcb77 | is there anything on the NEO now that can record audio? |
| 09:03.35 | torpor | i dunno but i for one would be very interested in what sort of audio i/o can be done with the phone .. |
| 09:03.46 | torpor | i've always wanted a phone i could use to implement my own IVR system, for example. |
| 09:03.52 | torpor | on-phone IVR == hell of an application |
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| 09:08.42 | torpor | | /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gdkbigger-0.1+svn20070825-r3/temp/run.do_clean.5498: line 427: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 09:08.54 | torpor | offending line is: |
| 09:08.54 | torpor | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:09.01 | torpor | i don't get it .. |
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| 09:13.31 | Linux_Galore | heh ZunePhone parody video http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/ip0wn/zunephone-shows-its-superiority-to-the-iphone-292990.php?autoplay=true |
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| 09:14.21 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] |
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| 09:15.22 | stapel | Hi |
| 09:15.35 | SiO2 | Linux_Galore, but the callingwheel would be a nice gadget |
| 09:15.48 | stapel | looks like http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/ is kaput |
| 09:16.38 | cibomahto | darn it, i was already planning on making a rotary phone emulator for the openmoko |
| 09:16.46 | rwhitby | stapel: It was updated to Drupal sometime in the last 24 hours - perhaps that's the cause. |
| 09:16.51 | SiO2 | cool |
| 09:17.40 | rwhitby | torpor: bash vs dash? |
| 09:18.28 | torpor | shit could it really be that? i fixed it yonks ago. |
| 09:18.56 | stapel | hi rwithby.. darn i wanted to check out http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro |
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| 09:19.01 | stapel | i might have to wait alittle |
| 09:19.15 | stapel | btw rob your makefile rules.. |
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| 09:19.32 | torpor | j@boko-ubu:~/hak/openmoko$ ls -alF `echo $SHELL` |
| 09:19.32 | torpor | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 700560 2007-04-11 01:32 /bin/bash* |
| 09:20.41 | stapel | ah now it works |
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| 09:23.03 | stapel | i had to reinstall ubuntu 3 times now in vmware .. everytime i noticed my partition was full |
| 09:23.11 | stapel | 20 GB partition should do the trick now :) |
| 09:23.13 | stapel | i hope |
| 09:23.26 | stapel | i even added the rm_work to the config file |
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| 09:23.54 | gcb77 | stapel: I just finished doing the exact same thing, but I just grew the partition in vmware from 10G to 20G |
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| 09:24.28 | stapel | erm.. you can extend it? |
| 09:24.33 | Ghiottone | good day |
| 09:24.38 | stapel | i just deleted it an reinstalled |
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| 09:25.37 | gcb77 | stapel: vmware-vdiskmanager comes with the free VMWare Server |
| 09:25.46 | gcb77 | you can use it to conver disks and re-size in the process |
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| 09:26.57 | stapel | hmm |
| 09:27.08 | stapel | i just downloaded the vmware workstation |
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| 09:27.23 | gcb77 | stapel: did you get a lincense? |
| 09:27.46 | stapel | 30 day trial licence |
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| 09:27.51 | gcb77 | ah |
| 09:28.07 | gcb77 | VMWare server is free for home-use, with registration |
| 09:28.18 | gcb77 | as is VMWare Player |
| 09:28.29 | stapel | hmm sounds cool |
| 09:28.44 | stapel | and the VMware server you have it running on a different machine then i guess.. |
| 09:29.06 | gcb77 | I just have VMWare Server... there's a built-in viewer too |
| 09:29.46 | stapel | i used it for home use only so that sounds cool |
| 09:31.32 | stapel | hehe |
| 09:31.54 | stapel | there is a linux tool though to extend the partition also i think |
| 09:32.04 | stapel | i have done it long time ago |
| 09:33.32 | cjb_ie | parted, gparted |
| 09:33.34 | gcb77 | I'm booting a knoppix ISO and hoping it will have parted or gparted |
| 09:33.41 | gcb77 | heh yea |
| 09:34.06 | cjb_ie | i'll be using it soon, upgrading the laptop from 100 to 160G |
| 09:34.13 | cjb_ie | dd and parted will be my friends |
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| 09:44.01 | aloril | (script) planet: Rod Whitby: Stopping the OpenMoko startup sound http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/openmoko/stopping-the-openmoko-startup-sound.html |
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| 09:45.38 | rwhitby | gcb77: VMWare server is free for commercial use too. |
| 09:45.50 | gcb77 | rwhitby: thank you... that sound's been driving me crazy |
| 09:46.25 | rwhitby | workstation and the GS and ES bare-metal server versions are the ones that are not free to use. |
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| 09:48.02 | ScaredyCat | is there a wayto stop that stupid popup keyboard appearing? |
| 09:51.28 | stapel | i wonder.. can you install openmoko on a Nokia N700 or > |
| 09:51.30 | rwhitby | stapel: what firmware are you going to run on the lsug? |
| 09:52.05 | stapel | maybee the one specialy for comunicating with the neo |
| 09:52.11 | stapel | haven't decided yet :) |
| 09:52.39 | rwhitby | if you've got serial on it, and don't intend putting a disk on it, run mokoslug. |
| 09:52.59 | rwhitby | if you're going to put a disk on it, or don't have serial, run slugos (le or be, your choice). |
| 09:53.06 | rwhitby | dfu-util works nicely in both for flashing the neo. |
| 09:54.43 | stapel | mokoslug sounds interesting. |
| 09:55.04 | rwhitby | it's not polished yet, so only choose it if you're going to help finish it. |
| 09:55.49 | rwhitby | (i.e. it doesn't have the pivot-root to external usb disk functionality like slugos yet - the bits are all available, but no-one has taped it all together yet) |
| 09:56.48 | stapel | sounds like a good starting project no? |
| 09:57.03 | stapel | creating mokoslug with external usb disk option? |
| 09:58.44 | stapel | gota go.. talk to you later :) |
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| 10:24.19 | torpor | if i've run into a dash problem, then resort out /bin/bash so its a proper link (/bin/sh i mean), what do i have to do to fix the 'pollution' that might've been caused by this dash issue? |
| 10:24.55 | torpor | i tried to make my own .bb file yesterday, and it worked. then today i did an update and now i'm getting this error whenever i try to use my .bb file : |
| 10:24.58 | torpor | | /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gdkbigger-0.1+svn20070825-r3/temp/run.do_configure.12526: line 427: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 10:25.17 | torpor | so i'm wondering if i've got some dash/bash pollution somewhere thats giving me this headache. |
| 10:25.26 | torpor | which blows because yesterday it was running and compiling just fine. |
| 10:27.56 | torpor | here is my bb recipe file, which i'm trying to use to build a gdk-ish app for the first time on moko: |
| 10:28.00 | torpor | http://rafb.net/p/OFWstp74.html |
| 10:28.26 | torpor | if anyone has any clues, please let me know .. this is rapidly killing my desire to focus on openmoko and making me think i should just stick with the much simpler linux distro's for handhelds instead .. |
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| 10:31.31 | ewon | torpor: dude, it's saturday morning |
| 10:31.34 | ewon | everyone's asleep |
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| 10:32.46 | ewon | is there an openmoko-dev mailing llist? I'm only on the community one |
| 10:33.18 | mjr | there are multiple dev mailing lists, even |
| 10:33.33 | mjr | just see http://lists.openmoko.org/ |
| 10:33.39 | ewon | torpor: I suggest you look there |
| 10:33.48 | ewon | this place can be dead some times of the day |
| 10:33.50 | torpor | i'm on those lists. |
| 10:34.13 | torpor | yeah i realize that, but i also know that some coders read the logs and respond when they've caught up .. i'm not looking for an instant soltuion, just tips and advice on where to go next. |
| 10:34.48 | rwhitby | torpor: that error also comes when you're running an executable for the wrong architecture |
| 10:35.07 | rwhitby | are you sure you haven't installed an arm binary on your host, or a host binary in the staging area? |
| 10:35.08 | torpor | ah, i see. |
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| 10:35.17 | torpor | well, actually, its possible .. |
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| 10:35.37 | torpor | the last thing i tried to do was work out how to get pkg-config working from within my recipe so i could pick up the needed libs for my target .. |
| 10:35.49 | torpor | maybe this is causing grief: |
| 10:35.49 | torpor | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.36 | Psi | <ewon> torpor: dude, it's saturday morning <-- Sat 10:36 PM here :P |
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| 10:37.35 | rwhitby | Sat 8:10pm here |
| 10:38.00 | rwhitby | this is the aussie hours :-) |
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| 10:46.48 | PBeck | hi |
| 10:48.15 | bubbi | hehe it's not morning everywhere though.. it's 1:47 PM here :) |
| 10:48.36 | bubbi | and "here" is Denmark |
| 10:48.50 | torpor | 12:47pm here in vienna |
| 10:49.32 | bubbi | So yeah, some of us have been up for quite a while now.. :D |
| 10:50.16 | bubbi | But torpor.. i'm sorry, but even though i've been up some time, i'm not in any position to help you.. have no experience with coding |
| 10:50.54 | bubbi | only ASP.NET (using VBScript) |
| 10:50.55 | torpor | no worries |
| 10:51.04 | torpor | rwhitby set me on the right track. |
| 10:51.12 | bubbi | so you could say i'm a real noob at it.. :D |
| 10:51.22 | torpor | though i would never in a million years have realized this might've been an ARM vs x86 binary problem .. ;) |
| 10:52.12 | bubbi | haha.. well that's what the community is here for.. sharing experience... |
| 10:52.15 | rwhitby | torpor: the error message complaining about an open paren always gives it away. |
| 10:53.07 | torpor | rwhitby: i'll remember that for future reference .. but that sort of error really doesn't indicate "platform binary problem" to me, sorry .. |
| 10:53.30 | torpor | i think thats one of the things that openembedded-experienced developers would catch and intuitively know about, but coming at it fresh its like .. WTF? .. you know? |
| 10:54.39 | torpor | btw, what is the 'proper' way to do a "pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0" style compile option in do_compile() bb recipes? i'm not overlooking something obvious am i? should i just put "DEPENDS += gtk+-2.0" in there and let bitbake fix it up, or what? |
| 10:55.36 | rwhitby | torpor: actually, it's not openembedded-related - just experience of running x86 programs on arm and vice versa |
| 10:55.42 | SpeedEvil | GPS - I really hope this isn't high power. http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3623 |
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| 11:09.27 | rwhitby | I wonder why we don't turn the bluetooth on by default at boot ... |
| 11:09.48 | Cap_J_L_Picard | security? |
| 11:09.56 | meus | rwhitby: because it drains power? |
| 11:10.20 | rwhitby | I would have thought developer access to features would be more important than both those things at this point in the project. |
| 11:10.45 | meus | that I can agree with |
| 11:11.07 | torpor | me too |
| 11:11.47 | torpor | perhaps its just the 'glory stage' of the initial release that we don't want to trample on with such reports by hundreds of new users that they only get 10 minutes of battery life out of their neo's .. |
| 11:12.10 | torpor | rwhitby: are you actually putting root on /media/card now? i thought that was dangerous at the moment .. |
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| 11:12.54 | rwhitby | no, I'm symlinking some additional startup scripts, and files that I change, onto the media card, so when I reflash I can just do a recursive symlink and be back where I was |
| 11:13.03 | torpor | ah i see |
| 11:13.05 | torpor | makes sense |
| 11:13.22 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 11:13.51 | SpeedEvil | Don't forget a script on the card to link the directories up. |
| 11:14.09 | SpeedEvil | symlinks I mean. |
| 11:14.22 | rwhitby | yep |
| 11:16.33 | ixs | torpor: btw, openembedded build should go through now. |
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| 11:17.01 | ixs | torpor: the remaining problems have been fixed. if it crashes somewhere, do a clean and remove the source files and restart make. that should go through right now. |
| 11:17.34 | bubbi | SpeedEvil.. noohhh.. not a GPS Blocker.. the rest of the world is trying to keep track of everything, and then someone is blocking us.. :S |
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| 11:18.26 | torpor | i'm doing okay now thanks ixs .. just trying to build my first recipe .. blustering through it right now .. |
| 11:19.09 | torpor | really not sure how i can get the pkg-config for the native ARM target though, so i'm doing silly things like this: |
| 11:19.12 | torpor | http://rafb.net/p/CsGMMc71.html |
| 11:19.16 | bubbi | Well.. as long as no one is creating mega GPS blockers everywhere i'm okay with it.. |
| 11:19.28 | torpor | see the -I${STAGING_INCDIR} stuff? is that the right way to do it? because i'd rather use pkg-config .. |
| 11:20.15 | rwhitby | torpor: have you looked at the classes that support pkgconfig ? |
| 11:20.24 | torpor | nope. |
| 11:20.25 | rwhitby | openembedded/classes/.... |
| 11:20.28 | torpor | ok |
| 11:20.36 | torpor | like i said .. blustering .. |
| 11:21.08 | ixs | bubbi: gps blocking is actually an art. You'll need some pretty widesprad noise on a pretty whide frequency spectrum. Friends of mine did it for a few minutes for about 200m, I think you should find their thesis on it somewhere on google... |
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| 11:21.48 | SpeedEvil | No, it's not really. |
| 11:21.59 | SpeedEvil | GPS blocking of military recievers is hard. |
| 11:22.26 | torpor | couldn't be any harder than trying to work out how to use pkgconfig in a brand new recipe. |
| 11:22.30 | torpor | ;) |
| 11:22.35 | SpeedEvil | Commercial recievers will be basically wiped out by broadband noise over the 1575Mhz band. |
| 11:22.45 | SpeedEvil | And the power needed is bugger all. |
| 11:23.05 | SpeedEvil | A milliwatt can wipe out a moderately large area. |
| 11:23.24 | SpeedEvil | A watt - on a properly designed meaconing transmitter can do 50Km. |
| 11:24.30 | bubbi | ixs: hehe.. my brother was a tele engineer while he was in the military, and when they went out and well.. did the war thing, then they brought "huge" communication blockers.. pretty much all frequencies were blocked he said.. no wifi, mobile antennas and such, could get through for quite some miles he said... but it was only for a test to see if it would work |
| 11:24.36 | ewon | until you find an anti-rad missile incoming on your position in excess of mach 2 :) |
| 11:25.15 | bubbi | of course it blocked their internal frequencies also, so it kindda blew it for both "teams".. |
| 11:25.19 | SpeedEvil | I did some costings for a jammer. |
| 11:25.33 | SpeedEvil | I came up with (in bulk) $10 for a solar powered 1W jammer. |
| 11:25.39 | rwhitby | excellent, my neo and my home bluetooth access point (nslu2 with usb bt dongle) can scan each other :-) |
| 11:25.40 | bubbi | But i'm sure it doesn't cause cancer.. haha |
| 11:25.40 | SpeedEvil | This is at qty 10K or so. |
| 11:25.55 | SpeedEvil | This will basically wipe out civilian GPS over a country. |
| 11:26.19 | SpeedEvil | The latest GPS system features steerable 'm-code' spot beams. |
| 11:26.31 | bubbi | haha.. nice SpeedEvil.. but please.. don't put them up in Denmark.. i neeeeed to find my way around |
| 11:26.31 | SpeedEvil | With 100 times the normal GPS power, aimed at 'hot-spots'. |
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| 11:26.49 | ixs | bubbi: well, just jamming is not that interesting. What is _really_ interesting is sniffing the stuff. There are complete cryptoanalysis and decryption devices available for sattelite networks such as thuraya et al. Added bonus, they even tell you where the handsets are located... |
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| 11:27.34 | SpeedEvil | The sat system broadcasts the handsets location? |
| 11:27.35 | bubbi | hmm.. nice, but maybe overkill for my kindda use of GPS.. |
| 11:28.10 | bubbi | no they don't.. but i think IXS means that it can "read" where the devices "suck" the information |
| 11:28.15 | bubbi | like radar |
| 11:28.21 | ixs | SpeedEvil: nope. The handsets feature a gps and send their location to the satellite in order to not broadcast the traffic through the whole area but jsut use the smaller spot antennas to pinpoint the handset |
| 11:28.39 | SpeedEvil | ixs: Oh - right. |
| 11:28.39 | ixs | bubbi: no, in the thuraya case you get gps locations of the handsets. |
| 11:29.22 | SpeedEvil | I was thinking you meant that it was hackable on the ground to find locations of nearby users. |
| 11:29.29 | ixs | there are a few companies specialising on that stuff. Interestingly, even their product brochures will only be available after signing an NDA... |
| 11:29.45 | ixs | But some friends of mine left theirs around... :-) |
| 11:29.58 | bubbi | ixs: hmm... but handsets don't "send" information back to the satelites right?.. that would first of all need a very large disc to send upwards, and the overload on that the satelites would kill all trafic? |
| 11:30.09 | SpeedEvil | Not with GPS. |
| 11:30.16 | SpeedEvil | With satellite phones, yes. |
| 11:30.19 | SpeedEvil | That's how they work. |
| 11:30.46 | ixs | the thuraya handsets do have gps |
| 11:31.10 | ixs | but the gps location is sent via the normal sat antenna |
| 11:31.11 | bubbi | ahh... but not with, say normal tomtom GPS |
| 11:31.15 | ixs | just out-of-band signaling. |
| 11:31.23 | ixs | bubbi: ahh, no way. these are receiver-only-devices. |
| 11:31.24 | SpeedEvil | No, not with normal GPS. |
| 11:31.41 | bubbi | great.. you had me confused for a moment :P |
| 11:31.44 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you could probably detect an operating GPS reciever within 10m or so. |
| 11:31.48 | SpeedEvil | It's hard though. |
| 11:32.22 | guaqua | detecting a receiver? |
| 11:32.23 | ixs | SpeedEvil: detecting receivers? How would that work? |
| 11:32.48 | SpeedEvil | Basically pick up random emissions from the reciever. |
| 11:32.52 | SpeedEvil | At the IF frequency |
| 11:33.03 | guaqua | emission from the receiver? |
| 11:33.08 | guaqua | what's IF frequency? |
| 11:33.17 | bubbi | was anybody actually working on a "nearby network of neo's" kindda thing? now that we're talking about GPS and such.. where you could see where neo's were around the world? |
| 11:33.28 | SpeedEvil | It's an intermediate frequency generated in the reciever from the incoming signal, to be using to |
| 11:33.34 | SpeedEvil | decode the signal |
| 11:33.41 | ixs | bubbi: even better for mugging then the white ipod headphones? |
| 11:33.58 | guaqua | yes, the base signal that's used to get the real data out |
| 11:34.10 | guaqua | but that's basically saying you can detect an electrical device within 10m |
| 11:34.11 | mickey|froscon | bubbi: i will probably be referee on someones Master's thesis that will deal with secure group communication using OpenMoko |
| 11:34.20 | mickey|froscon | so near-bye Neo's and meches should be on topic there |
| 11:34.26 | SpeedEvil | guaqua: Google 'tv detector van' |
| 11:34.29 | mickey|froscon | i hope we get some software bits out of this work |
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| 11:35.35 | bubbi | ixs: mugging you say?.. heh well.. i was more in the spirit of saying WUHU.. i've got a nerd around the corner.. |
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| 11:36.23 | ixs | bubbi: well, there've been reports in the past that people were picked for mugging because they were carring these white ipod headphones. |
| 11:36.57 | bubbi | froscon: nice, it is really a subject that has a lot of potential discussions and possibilities |
| 11:37.08 | mickey|froscon | yeah, i agree |
| 11:37.23 | bubbi | ixs: heh.. well it's the ipod.. what were you expecting? ;) |
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| 11:38.14 | SpeedEvil | Everything from dating (member of the opposite sex, that you've been in proximity to (50m) several times, and shares interests. To least-cost routing and mesh networking. |
| 11:38.35 | bubbi | apple marketed (is that the right word?!) the ipod for people who wanted to be different in a fashionable way... but beeing different, means that you don't follow the mass.. and the mass bought ipods.. soo.. hmm |
| 11:39.52 | bubbi | SpeedEvil: Hmm.. that's a thing that i didn't think of, mokoDating.. :D |
| 11:40.54 | rwhitby | anyone know how to do a proxy-arp type thing with bnep ? |
| 11:42.00 | bubbi | although i don't personally think that "matching interests" is always good.. it blocks out possibilities, but thats just my personal thoughts.. |
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| 11:42.27 | rwhitby | my neo and my blueslug can ping each other, but what I really want to do is to have the neo automatically connect to the blueslug and be part of the home network so I can just ssh into it from the laptop) |
| 11:42.43 | guaqua | rwhitby: my words exactly |
| 11:43.03 | ixs | bubbi: mokodating is actually a wonderful idea. That would work out splendid at a ccc camp or so... |
| 11:43.53 | ixs | bubbi: and matching interests might just be an added bonus, chances are that the other person of the fitting gender is a good match as long as he/she is also carrying an openmoko device. :-) |
| 11:44.08 | mickey|froscon | heh |
| 11:44.10 | bubbi | ixs: haha.. |
| 11:44.16 | mickey|froscon | that may be a bit farfetched ;) |
| 11:44.27 | rwhitby | some might consider it a contraindication ... |
| 11:44.41 | bubbi | yeah.. I can't stop laughing about that idea... but the worst part is that it might even work.. heh |
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| 11:44.46 | guaqua | chances are, you might know them already :) |
| 11:45.04 | mickey|froscon | ~lart rwhitby for posting instructions how to turn off an exceptional piece of art |
| 11:45.04 | apt | makes a balloon animal out of rwhitby for posting instructions how to turn off an exceptional piece of art |
| 11:45.06 | bubbi | haha.. strange things happen when ppl get a neo in the hands.. |
| 11:45.12 | torpor | i only wanna know openmoko people who know how to build their own recipes and also don't mind talking newbies through it .. |
| 11:45.17 | guaqua | but hell, if we could market neo as a dating phone, it might actually sell really well :D |
| 11:45.36 | rwhitby | ~lart the openmoko boot sound for waking my 2 year old daughter at 11pm. |
| 11:45.36 | apt | hooks into a hydrant and hoses the openmoko boot sound down for waking my 2 year old daughter at 11pm. |
| 11:45.44 | mickey|froscon | heheh |
| 11:45.46 | mickey|froscon | sorry |
| 11:45.55 | mickey|froscon | the next bootup will be something more lean and mean |
| 11:45.58 | rwhitby | didn't actually happen, but could easily. |
| 11:46.02 | mickey|froscon | i will personally create it |
| 11:46.10 | torpor | mickey|froscon: i'd like to make a bootup .. shall i send some recommendations? |
| 11:46.20 | mickey|froscon | torpor: sure |
| 11:46.25 | torpor | i've got tons of synths for the job here |
| 11:46.28 | mickey|froscon | cool |
| 11:46.32 | bubbi | "the free dating phone" |
| 11:46.35 | ixs | bubbi: well, I'm pretty sure that for some people openmoko is dead sexy. At the camp I was repeatedly told that me starting at rhat next month is sexy... so why not a nice mobile phones? Some people have ferraris, others have phones. *g+ |
| 11:46.59 | mickey|froscon | rwhitby: we're going to have preferences soon |
| 11:47.18 | torpor | anyone know of any openembedded/linux-arm/embedded job openings around? i'm looking for work .. |
| 11:47.25 | guaqua | when we have preferences, openmoko is more advanced than iphone :D |
| 11:47.32 | guaqua | changeable ringtones ;) |
| 11:47.57 | ixs | rwhitby: what is pand? |
| 11:48.06 | rwhitby | bluetooth networking |
| 11:48.11 | ixs | ohh. |
| 11:48.26 | ixs | rwhitby: does it appear as a normal interface on the host? |
| 11:48.31 | rwhitby | I want me neo to act as if it is ethernet wired into my home lan whenever it is range. |
| 11:48.44 | bubbi | ixs: precisely, and well, owning an openmoko phone is as you said, sexy... grrraaurrrr.. |
| 11:49.19 | rwhitby | ixs: yeah, I know I can bridge it if i have to, but I'm hoping there is something much easier, like the proxyarp option in pppd that I use when the Treo650 becomes part of the LAN via bluetooth ... |
| 11:49.51 | ixs | then just use "arp -i eth0 -s moko-ip host-arp-address pub" on your bluetooth host. |
| 11:50.16 | *** join/#openmoko Fracture (n=cameronb@203-217-12-139.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 11:50.29 | bubbi | but i don't personally think that i will put myself on the meatmarked as a champ for owning a special phone.. hmm.. maybe in a couple of years when everybody knows what openmoko is.. |
| 11:51.34 | Fracture | hi.. i've just tried moko make file with qemu to run the new 2007.2 snapshot image.. it boots fine and shows the open moko today application, however when I can't seem to interact with it. When I click with the mouse I get a quick beep, but nothing responds - like clicking on the 'run app' or 'running apps' tabs the bottom |
| 11:52.02 | torpor | Fracture: i heard that in qemu emulation, pointer calibration blows.. so you have to run the calibration again for qemu |
| 11:52.11 | ixs | bubbi: well, it depends. I'll prefer some girl who actually knows what the openmoko is right now. That means less "get away from the damn computer"... |
| 11:52.16 | Fracture | torpor: how do I do that ? |
| 11:52.20 | ixs | bubbi: and in the past, that worked out quite well... |
| 11:52.41 | ixs | bubbi: if you're target area is the general meatmarket though... better wait a few years. |
| 11:52.47 | torpor | i think you remove /etc/pointercal from the image and then boot qemu .. it will re-run calibration on startup .. or something like that. i can't be sure, just going on what i heard here recently |
| 11:53.22 | Fracture | ok.. how do I access that folder in the image ? |
| 11:53.33 | torpor | for me, it'll be enough when my newborn son finds his dads old neo1973 at the bottom of some junkbox somehwere and he picks it up and uses it for something in, say, 2012 .. |
| 11:54.23 | ixs | torpor: you honestly expect your mobile phone to live that long? |
| 11:54.45 | torpor | sure |
| 11:55.01 | torpor | i don't really agree with the consumer mentality that things must be thrown away just because they're scratched |
| 11:55.16 | Elrond | ixs - My me45 is like 5 years or more old. I still use it. |
| 11:55.45 | Elrond | And I like it, cause it works great in bright sun light. |
| 11:55.49 | *** part/#openmoko sixfeet (i=sixfeet@p5484F396.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:56.57 | guaqua | me45 is awesome |
| 11:57.19 | guaqua | it'll probably never break if you haven't broken yours...i have... |
| 11:57.19 | ixs | Elrond: well, I'm using a s45 right now, but that one is severly damaged right now. I could probably fix it by dismantling it and reseating the display connectors and looking for the spare battery lid but I really hope the neo will be usable for voice and sms _REAL SOON NOW_. |
| 11:57.44 | torpor | okay, i really do not understand this. i've build a simple gdk app and now trying to write my own recipe for it .. instead of copying someone else .. but what i don't get is how do i get the libs for GDk (and includes) picked up at compile in my recipe? i've got a do_compile() which manually CC's the app .. does this automatically preclude any benefit i get from using DEPENDS and the rest of the recipe stuff? |
| 11:57.45 | ixs | torpor: I'm not thinking about scratched, I was more thinking along the lines of not working anymore. |
| 11:58.00 | torpor | ixs: stuff rarely "does not work any more" around my house... |
| 11:58.00 | ixs | I broke about 7 s25 phones in two years. Siemens must have really hated me. |
| 11:58.02 | bubbi | ixs: well, yeah maybe you are a bit right about them girls :) i'm gonna look for a woman that knows about openmoko.. hehe.. |
| 11:58.17 | ixs | bubbi: good luck then. :-) |
| 11:58.27 | raster | bubbi: just paint your moko pink. |
| 11:58.31 | torpor | for example, this pkgconfig info here: |
| 11:58.31 | torpor | http://www.openembedded.info/wiki/Bitbake_recipes#inherit_pkgconfig_.28for_anything_with_.3Cpkg.3E.pc_files.29 |
| 11:58.32 | raster | they'll be all over it |
| 11:58.40 | Elrond | ixs - My me45 works fine. :) |
| 11:58.55 | torpor | seems to be more inclined for packages that *provide* .pc files, and doesn't tell me how i *use* pkgconfig within my recipe to get the details for gdk for the Target, etc. |
| 11:58.59 | bubbi | but i'm not that much interested in beeing more infront of the computer.. i'm already 12 hours infront of it a day because of work :D |
| 11:59.22 | bubbi | raster: haha.. that might help |
| 11:59.31 | raster | bubbi: it'd work in asia |
| 11:59.38 | raster | like bees to honey |
| 11:59.40 | raster | make it pink |
| 11:59.41 | ixs | bubbi: if you work with computers all day, that is understandable. |
| 11:59.47 | raster | put in kitten pictures |
| 11:59.49 | raster | bingo\ |
| 11:59.57 | ixs | bubbi: for others though, the computer stuff is still a hobby, so they work on it in the afternoon... |
| 12:00.10 | ixs | .oO( The hello neo phone. ) |
| 12:00.36 | bubbi | haha.. i'm in denmark :D pink isn't the right colour for dating a woman here.. hehe.. |
| 12:00.49 | raster | see |
| 12:00.53 | raster | european women |
| 12:00.56 | bubbi | stylish please.. not flashy |
| 12:01.00 | raster | they are too complex |
| 12:01.03 | raster | make it too hard |
| 12:01.05 | raster | :) |
| 12:01.07 | raster | here |
| 12:01.10 | bubbi | not european.. scandinavian.. even better ;) |
| 12:01.12 | raster | add diamons |
| 12:01.14 | raster | rubies |
| 12:01.16 | raster | anything shiny |
| 12:01.17 | raster | glittery |
| 12:01.18 | raster | pink |
| 12:01.27 | raster | with kittens |
| 12:01.28 | bubbi | .. not JUST european.. was the meaning :D |
| 12:01.41 | raster | and make sure the phone strap has soft plush animals |
| 12:01.45 | bubbi | haha |
| 12:01.49 | raster | and its 3x the size of the phone |
| 12:01.50 | raster | and you're in. |
| 12:01.57 | bubbi | laughing here.. plz stop |
| 12:01.58 | raster | its a seller |
| 12:02.01 | guaqua | raster: i gather you don't live in asia? :) |
| 12:02.04 | raster | this isn't a joke |
| 12:02.09 | raster | i've lived in japan for 2.5 years |
| 12:02.15 | raster | 3.5 |
| 12:02.24 | guaqua | okay :D |
| 12:02.28 | guaqua | that is hilarious |
| 12:02.35 | bubbi | guaqua, trust him.. it's true.. |
| 12:02.35 | raster | i am exaggerating a bit |
| 12:02.38 | raster | its not 100% |
| 12:02.44 | bubbi | but very close |
| 12:02.49 | raster | but a large percentage of girls choose phoens based on how cute the phone is |
| 12:02.53 | raster | not if it has features |
| 12:02.56 | raster | or even makes calls |
| 12:02.59 | raster | and cute means pink |
| 12:03.08 | raster | and/or shiny diamon things |
| 12:03.16 | raster | there are entire stores devoted to customising phones |
| 12:03.23 | raster | by covering them with fake "diamonds" |
| 12:03.34 | raster | u see girls with phones that have "straps" |
| 12:03.44 | raster | and straps with little animals/soft toys |
| 12:03.50 | raster | and the straps are 3x the size of the phone |
| 12:03.50 | guaqua | a friend of mine did that...covered her phone with fake diamonds, but it was for a joke :/ |
| 12:03.59 | raster | here its no joke |
| 12:04.02 | raster | its for real |
| 12:04.09 | raster | its quite funny |
| 12:04.10 | raster | :) |
| 12:04.16 | guaqua | i can imagine :) |
| 12:04.38 | ixs | *sigh* |
| 12:05.15 | torpor | raster: where did you live in japan? |
| 12:06.40 | raster | http://strapya.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/ribbontomoechan.jpg |
| 12:06.43 | raster | for a tame example |
| 12:06.49 | raster | torpor: yes |
| 12:06.52 | bubbi | i remeber that there were an online webshop, where you could order a phone specially designed with cover and fake diamonds and ALOT of diodes.. you could design the phone online and get it a few days later |
| 12:07.24 | dcordes | http://img291.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00016gk5.jpg :) |
| 12:07.30 | torpor | raster: where tho? tokyo? |
| 12:07.42 | raster | http://www.tokyomango.com/tokyo_mango/images/diy.jpg |
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| 12:08.04 | raster | torpor: yup. tokyo |
| 12:08.18 | torpor | me too .. in asagaya-kita, near koenji |
| 12:08.19 | bubbi | ARGH... i WANT THAT PHONE!!... or not.. heh |
| 12:08.39 | mickey|froscon | dcordes: which device is that? |
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| 12:09.12 | dcordes | mickey|froscon: sharp zaurus sl-c1000 (akita) |
| 12:09.19 | mickey|froscon | fun :) |
| 12:09.27 | mickey|froscon | can you make that a bit sharper? |
| 12:09.36 | mickey|froscon | I'd like to include it in my talk |
| 12:09.42 | emre_ | hi folks, isn't it a good idea to put an option to the mokomakefile for compiling qemu related stuff? |
| 12:09.42 | mickey|froscon | "ports" |
| 12:09.43 | dcordes | I have another pic just a second |
| 12:10.00 | dcordes | mickey|froscon: I can also make you a small video if you like |
| 12:10.09 | mickey|froscon | dcordes: ooh that would rock! |
| 12:10.36 | dcordes | mickey|froscon: http://img463.imageshack.us/my.php?image=00005yd6.jpg |
| 12:10.59 | dcordes | it's actually not openmoko but angstrom |
| 12:11.14 | dcordes | only installed the UI |
| 12:11.15 | mickey|froscon | thanks |
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| 12:11.32 | guaqua | that looks mighty sweet |
| 12:11.58 | mickey|froscon | openmoko may as well put some new life into the Zaurus |
| 12:12.01 | dcordes | I love that ui :) it makes gpe pretty usable |
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| 12:12.10 | dcordes | yes indeed |
| 12:12.13 | mickey|froscon | hey zecke_ |
| 12:13.45 | dcordes | somehow kinetic scrolling is slow in landsacape mode but when I flip the screen it is pretty smooth |
| 12:14.21 | mjr | landscape mode is software rotated |
| 12:14.41 | bubbi | hmm.. isn't that a killer for the cpu then? |
| 12:14.46 | xkr47 | :) |
| 12:14.57 | dcordes | I think it's just xrandr? |
| 12:14.59 | mjr | should be more efficient on gta02, what with the gpu |
| 12:15.00 | bubbi | i thought it was hardware based rotation |
| 12:15.12 | bubbi | hope so |
| 12:15.27 | mjr | yes it's xrandr, that doesn't mean it's hw rotated |
| 12:15.34 | mickey|froscon | yes, that's the software rotating |
| 12:16.34 | raster | torpor: oh cool! こんばんわ |
| 12:16.37 | ewon | so has anyone heard of a toolchain for this dv007 linux phone |
| 12:17.15 | raster | dv007? |
| 12:18.00 | ewon | utstarcom dv007 |
| 12:18.14 | Ghiottone | hello |
| 12:18.56 | Ghiottone | anyone can suggest a tutorial or some kind of documentation on how to create bb recipes or use the cross tools to create executables? |
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| 12:19.17 | Ghiottone | I am trying to make my first program but I'm having some problems |
| 12:19.18 | dcordes | openembedded manual? |
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| 12:19.49 | mickey|froscon | This content requires the latest Macromedia Flash Player. Get it here |
| 12:19.51 | mickey|froscon | baah |
| 12:19.54 | mickey|froscon | ~lart utstarcom |
| 12:19.54 | apt | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking utstarcom's head off |
| 12:20.21 | hhf423 | mickey|froscon: moin, so how is froscon? |
| 12:20.43 | hhf423 | I considered going, but I am on a wedding tomorrow |
| 12:20.43 | ewon | hen |
| 12:20.43 | mickey|froscon | hhf423: cool. great organization, nice venue, good weather :) |
| 12:21.02 | hhf423 | mickey|froscon: excellent. you talked yet? |
| 12:21.05 | dcordes | Ghiottone: http://www.openembedded.org/user-manual&dpage=chapter_recipes |
| 12:21.16 | mickey|froscon | hhf423: no, it's tomorrow 15.15 |
| 12:21.24 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|froscon: That's the same like last year. How many people? That was the sad thing last year. |
| 12:21.38 | torpor | Ghiottone: i'm currently working through my own hacking at this exact thing .. we could work together. |
| 12:21.58 | mickey|froscon | stefan_schmidt: i can't tell yet, but it looks fairly ok. it's not supercrowded, but not empt |
| 12:21.58 | mickey|froscon | y |
| 12:22.02 | torpor | i've got basic recipes for making a very simple C lib, and am now struggling to do the same for GDK apps |
| 12:22.33 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|froscon: ok, last year it looks a bit empty in the big venue |
| 12:22.57 | torpor | unfortunately the user manual recipes are very, very banal. there is no details in ther ebout how to make a more complicated app. its very much geared towards those who only want to port existing packages, and not start from scratch |
| 12:22.58 | rwhitby | emre_: "make qemu" compiles the qemu stuff. is that what you meant? |
| 12:23.11 | raster | i hope that my om build will finish this century... |
| 12:23.37 | dcordes | torpor: well that's what OE is pretty much about |
| 12:23.40 | hhf423 | doh? my neo is dead this morning and I did pull the battery? how come? |
| 12:23.43 | emre_ | rwhitby: I want the opposite, I have the device and I want to build image to copy to the neo, so I dont want it to download or compile qemu related things.. |
| 12:23.44 | torpor | for example, you either have an ultra simple do_compile() stage, or use autotools. what if you want to write a new openembedded app from scratch? |
| 12:24.03 | raster | dcordes: let it plug into usb and charge for a while |
| 12:24.21 | rwhitby | emre_: make openmoko-devel-image instead of make all |
| 12:24.21 | torpor | dcordes: it takes about 30 minutes to recover from a dead charged battery |
| 12:24.53 | dcordes | raster: torpor I guess that was for hhf423 |
| 12:25.10 | raster | dcordes: oh yeah... oops |
| 12:25.12 | emre_ | rwhitby: I typed "make openmoko-devel-image" but it failed for qemu. NOTE: package qemu-native-0.9.0+cvs20070613: started |
| 12:25.13 | emre_ | NOTE: package qemu-native-0.9.0+cvs20070613-r5: task do_configure: started |
| 12:25.13 | emre_ | ERROR: function do_configure failed |
| 12:25.13 | emre_ | ERROR: log data follows (/home/emre/moko/build/tmp/work/i686-linux/qemu-native-0.9.0+cvs20070613-r5/temp/log.do_configure.20895) |
| 12:25.29 | Ghiottone | dcordes, thanks. It seems that I just did not find it out. I found only bitbake manual and such but they don't say much |
| 12:25.38 | hhf423 | raster, torpor thanks, thats what I'll do |
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| 12:25.59 | rwhitby | emre_: put ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" in your local.conf file |
| 12:26.34 | torpor | seems logical to me rwhitby .. i mean, its not like locales are terribly important at this stage in openmoko |
| 12:26.47 | rwhitby | emre_: and add a tip about that to the wiki please |
| 12:26.47 | ixs | rwhitby: qemu is failing during configure, I thought the locale stuff was problematic during build and not during configure |
| 12:26.56 | torpor | anything that gets in the way of new hackers getting ramped up and writing code for openmoko should be paired down in my opinion. |
| 12:27.32 | Ghiottone | torpor, yeah we could do it. although I have little time atm. maybe later or in the next few days |
| 12:27.33 | rwhitby | ixs: disable locale generation, and it doesn't matter where in qemu-native it fails :-) |
| 12:27.55 | Fracture | torpor: I totally agree !! so help me with this calibration issue :) |
| 12:27.56 | hhf423 | torpor: "paired down"? Should be shot, hacked into small pieves, trmpled upon, roasted in hot oil and then some |
| 12:28.09 | Ghiottone | rwhitby, would it prevent also glibc from needed a really lot of time to compile? |
| 12:28.19 | emre_ | rwhitby: let me try it. |
| 12:28.37 | ixs | rwhitby: ahh well. locale generation works fine here. |
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| 12:28.43 | torpor | Fracture: i don't know a solution, i don't like using qemu (since i access my linux box from remotely) so i cna't help more than that. |
| 12:28.45 | vivo | about compiling, I'm stuck bitbaking uicmoc4-native_4.3.1 on amd64 any hint ? |
| 12:28.57 | rwhitby | Ghiottone: no, that's a different local.conf setting to only build limited locales |
| 12:29.01 | torpor | and i'm currently trying to grok recipes so i can write a very basic app and use the libs that are provided in the openembedded suite .. |
| 12:29.22 | torpor | vivo: bitbake -cmrproper uicmoc4-native |
| 12:29.32 | Fracture | torpor: no worries.. thanks |
| 12:29.47 | vivo | torpor: that will clean and restart? I'l try |
| 12:29.54 | torpor | worked for me vivo |
| 12:30.04 | emre_ | rwhitby: So what is this qemu-native, and why is it compiling anyway? |
| 12:30.31 | rwhitby | emre_: that's a question for #oe, not for me. |
| 12:31.02 | emre_ | rwhitby: just asking to put a note to the wiki. I mean, I should write, why are we adding this line ;) |
| 12:31.04 | Any_Key | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.30 | Fracture | Any_Key: I dunno, sorry.. I can;t seem to find out how to |
| 12:33.01 | torpor | Fracture: rm /etc/pointercal on your image |
| 12:33.08 | Fracture | torpor: where is the image ? |
| 12:33.12 | torpor | mount the fs image locally, remove /etc/pointercal from it. |
| 12:33.17 | torpor | the jffs2 file you're burning to your neo.. |
| 12:33.35 | torpor | .. or running in qemu |
| 12:33.39 | Fracture | torpor: i'm using 'make qemu' so I don't know which file is the image |
| 12:34.02 | torpor | well i'd suggest you work that out first .. there is going to be one jffs2 image for you to use - it gets burned to the neo, or it gets run in the qemu... |
| 12:34.18 | rwhitby | emre_: my understanding is that qemu-native is used to do some stuff about locales at build time instead of at run time. trouble is that qemu-native is a real bastard to build, and seems to not work on many environments (including yours). |
| 12:34.23 | Fracture | torpor: ok .. I found that. |
| 12:34.36 | torpor | it'll be in build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01 |
| 12:35.01 | emre_ | rwhitby: ok. |
| 12:35.22 | rwhitby | anyone know how to use ppp on a neo to dial into a dund server over bluetooth? |
| 12:35.24 | Fracture | mount: unknown filesystem type 'jfss2' |
| 12:35.26 | emre_ | fracture: there are symlinks pointing to the latest files in that directory. |
| 12:35.44 | torpor | insmod jffs2 |
| 12:36.16 | mjr | Fracture, correct your typo |
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| 12:36.59 | Fracture | sudo mount -o loop -t jffs2 OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-P1-August-Snapshot-20070819-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 /media/rootfs/ |
| 12:37.06 | Fracture | gives : mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0 |
| 12:37.33 | torpor | do you have jffs2 support in your kernel? |
| 12:37.55 | Fracture | lsmod | grep jffs2 - shows it ther |
| 12:37.56 | DukeOfURL | how can I remake the uImage file? |
| 12:38.32 | torpor | dunno but is the jffs2 file compressed? |
| 12:39.21 | Fracture | when I run 'file imagename' it says : OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-P1-August-Snapshot-20070819-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2: Linux jffs2 filesystem data little endian |
| 12:39.39 | guaqua | i have the same problem |
| 12:39.55 | Fracture | dmesg | tail shows : 92922.195000] Attempt to mount non-MTD device "/dev/loop0" as JFFS2 |
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| 12:40.46 | jonathan_br_ba | Hello folks |
| 12:43.15 | emre_ | fracture: found this on google. |
| 12:43.17 | emre_ | # modprobe loop |
| 12:43.18 | emre_ | # modprobe mtdblock |
| 12:43.18 | emre_ | # losetup /dev/loop0 /path/to/imagefile.jffs2 |
| 12:43.18 | emre_ | # insmod blkmtd erasesz=256 device=/dev/loop0 |
| 12:43.18 | emre_ | # mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock0 /mnt |
| 12:44.10 | jonathan_br_ba | any brazillian here? |
| 12:44.10 | aloril | jonathan_br_ba: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 12:44.33 | Fracture | emre_: insmod: can't read 'blkmtd': No such file or directory |
| 12:45.12 | Any_Key | Fracture, http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/familiar/62/6232.html |
| 12:46.00 | ccube | hi |
| 12:46.02 | Any_Key | Fracture, but I have problem with jffs2 module... |
| 12:46.04 | ccube | can so help me? |
| 12:46.07 | ccube | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 12:46.19 | ccube | i did the manual method |
| 12:46.38 | ccube | but my neo does not connect to the internet... |
| 12:46.55 | emre_ | ccube: what is your computer's ip? |
| 12:47.00 | Fracture | Any_Key: cool.. that worked |
| 12:47.10 | ccube | from the LAN-Adapter? |
| 12:47.12 | Any_Key | Fracture, rrrrr |
| 12:47.14 | emre_ | yep |
| 12:47.18 | ccube | its another subnet than the neo |
| 12:47.25 | ccube | i know this is the problem |
| 12:47.27 | Fracture | Any_Key: but I presume that I am working on a copy of the image now ? and will somehow need to re-package it ? |
| 12:47.31 | Any_Key | ge@oberx:/home/moko/build/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01$ sudo modprobe jffs2 |
| 12:47.31 | Any_Key | WARNING: Error inserting mtdsuper (/lib/modules/2.6.22-1-686/kernel/drivers/mtd/mtdsuper.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 12:47.31 | Any_Key | FATAL: Error inserting jffs2 (/lib/modules/2.6.22-1-686/kernel/fs/jffs2/jffs2.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 12:47.41 | ccube | but dont know how to solve |
| 12:47.43 | Fracture | i.e. the dd coppied them image to the /dev/mtd0 device |
| 12:47.56 | Fracture | Any_Key: eek |
| 12:48.14 | emre_ | ccube: i had the same problem when two networks (pc to out, neo to pc) had the same network address. |
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| 12:48.25 | Any_Key | Fracture, make flash-qemu-local I think will reflash it |
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| 12:48.34 | ccube | how to solve? |
| 12:48.58 | emre_ | change one of the network addresses. i.e., if it is 192.168... change it to 10.2.xxx |
| 12:49.03 | Ghiottone | should I use my own page on the wiki to save tips that I think will be useful? |
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| 12:49.23 | ccube | which one? The Neos one? |
| 12:49.24 | Fracture | Any_Key: but, if I make a change to the image stored in /dev/mtd0 (not the same thing as the image I dd'ed into that device) how will that flash program pick up mY changes ? |
| 12:49.26 | Any_Key | Fracture, copy it back before |
| 12:49.31 | ccube | i cannot change the computers IP |
| 12:49.48 | Fracture | Any_Key: so, just use dd to copy into a new file.. ok |
| 12:50.31 | emre_ | ccube: doesn't matter, just change one of. gotta go by the way.. |
| 12:50.40 | ccube | k, thx |
| 12:50.41 | b1303s__ | ccube: this works for me |
| 12:50.48 | b1303s__ | ifconfig usb0 down |
| 12:50.49 | Fracture | I can't update the image .. "rm etc/pointercal" : rm: cannot remove `etc/pointercal': No space left on device |
| 12:50.50 | b1303s__ | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 up |
| 12:50.51 | Any_Key | Fracture,if You dd to new file make changes to Makefile to flash THIS new file |
| 12:50.52 | b1303s__ | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 12:50.52 | b1303s__ | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 12:50.55 | b1303s__ | iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT |
| 12:51.33 | Any_Key | Fracture, mounted rw ? |
| 12:51.39 | ccube | ill try, thx |
| 12:51.57 | Fracture | Any_Key: mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock0 /media/rootfs/ |
| 12:52.14 | Any_Key | Fracture, what mount say? |
| 12:52.24 | Fracture | /dev/mtdblock0 on /media/rootfs type jffs2 (rw) |
| 12:52.35 | Any_Key | Fracture, hm.. |
| 12:52.35 | Fracture | df shows : /dev/mtdblock0 4096 4096 0 100% /media/rootfs |
| 12:52.45 | Fracture | 4 meg image.. 100% full |
| 12:53.13 | b1303s__ | ccube: dont forget to copy your /etc/resolv.conf to your neo ;) |
| 12:53.14 | ccube | u@MandraxX:~/openmoko$ sudo echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 12:53.14 | ccube | -bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: Permission denied |
| 12:53.51 | b1303s__ | you need to be root maybe |
| 12:54.06 | ccube | sudo makes me root?? |
| 12:54.07 | Fracture | Any_Key: which is strange, given the jffs2 image is 41 meg |
| 12:54.18 | b1303s__ | yo |
| 12:54.26 | ccube | doesnt work anyway |
| 12:54.45 | b1303s__ | try sudo su |
| 12:54.50 | ccube | k |
| 12:54.59 | Any_Key | Fracture, yea, strange enough, but I still cannot mount it, need to success modprobe jffs2 first, so you the first |
| 12:55.16 | ccube | nope... |
| 12:55.29 | b1303s__ | hmmm |
| 12:55.36 | hhf423 | ccube: do a sudo bash and try again |
| 12:55.42 | hhf423 | from a root bash |
| 12:55.51 | vivo | ccube: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward # what show ? |
| 12:56.11 | Fracture | Any_Key: there was an error when using dd : writing to `/dev/mtd0': No space left on device |
| 12:56.18 | ccube | 0 |
| 12:57.29 | ccube | dont have the rights |
| 12:57.32 | ccube | ubuntu sucks |
| 12:57.38 | vivo | it's ok for "sudo echo" not to work as echo is a builtin bash |
| 12:57.39 | torpor | surely there's a smarter way to do things than this: http://rafb.net/p/REw4XM48.html |
| 12:57.40 | ccube | :) |
| 12:57.42 | torpor | if so i'd loe to know it. |
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| 12:58.07 | ccube | no, i also have no acces to the file while editing manually |
| 12:58.23 | hhf423 | ccube: did you do a sudo bash and then work from there? |
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| 12:59.04 | jonathan_br_ba | guys, its my first contact with openmoko and i'm excited i running it in qemu but i think its to slow, its normal? another thing what is funcional in UI |
| 12:59.20 | ccube | WORKED! :) |
| 12:59.28 | ccube | thx |
| 12:59.33 | b1303s__ | :) |
| 12:59.53 | Fracture | Any_Key: you may find some interesting reading http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/jffs2.html |
| 13:00.03 | ccube | NEO is online now! |
| 13:00.04 | mjr | jonathan_br_ba, well, on my AMD64X2 4400+, qemu was somewhat slower than the actual gta01, never mind gta02 |
| 13:00.10 | ccube | thx guys |
| 13:00.16 | ccube | very nice support here |
| 13:00.22 | ccube | im learning as well, hehe |
| 13:00.41 | ccube | ill write it into the wiki the next days |
| 13:01.10 | mjr | jonathan_br_ba, it's still not blazing on gta01, mind you, but not qemu slow |
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| 13:01.44 | jonathan_br_ba | what is gta01 02 ? |
| 13:02.12 | hhf423 | jonathan_br_ba: the hardware you can buy at the moment is gta01 |
| 13:02.17 | mjr | gta01 is the currently sold development hardware, gta02 is the upcoming revision that will also be the mass-market device |
| 13:02.27 | torpor | how do i add an app to the applications list? |
| 13:02.27 | hhf423 | the hardware which will be available later this year is gta02 |
| 13:02.56 | hhf423 | torpor: I have been told with a .desktop file, but I have no idea how this works |
| 13:03.18 | mjr | /usr/share/applications, look at existing ones and learn |
| 13:03.20 | Ghiottone | ccube, if you do sudo cmd > file the file is first opened under your current user and only after that sudo is executed |
| 13:03.22 | jonathan_br_ba | ahh ok, i think use my pc to devel to him |
| 13:03.25 | jonathan_br_ba | whats the best option |
| 13:03.34 | jonathan_br_ba | qemu or xephyr? |
| 13:03.38 | torpor | i am finally able to compile a basic app for moko, but two things: it doesn't end up installed with executable permission, and there is no entry in the apps list .. |
| 13:04.03 | Ghiottone | ccube, you have to do two separate commands. first sudo su - (which will let you become root) and then the echo command |
| 13:04.22 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: sudo bash is easier :-) |
| 13:04.49 | vivo | ccube: I think Ghiottone is right so what I've said before about bash builtin was wrong |
| 13:04.49 | Ghiottone | hhf423, that should be the same as sudo su :) |
| 13:04.59 | ccube | vivo: :) |
| 13:05.09 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: right :-) |
| 13:05.21 | ccube | Ghiottone: kk, i see |
| 13:05.32 | torpor | /clear/clear |
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| 13:09.00 | hhf423 | hmm, a new image on buildhost |
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| 13:09.55 | Any_Key | Fracture, thanks for the link, I've tried nandwrite, flashcp, first problem - /dev/mtd0 is too small |
| 13:10.14 | Fracture | Any_Key: yeah.. I dunno how to resized it.. doing some googling |
| 13:11.47 | Any_Key | there is have to be some options for mtdblock module i think |
| 13:13.23 | Any_Key | Fracture, sudo mtd_debug info /dev/mtd0 |
| 13:14.15 | Fracture | Any_Key: rmmod mtdram; modprobe mtdram total_size=50000 erase_size=256 |
| 13:14.16 | torpor | gdkbigger: error while loading shared libraries: libmokoui.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:14.22 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[User:Alessandro]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Linkoping]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Belo_Horizonte]] |
| 13:14.28 | torpor | ^^ anyone know why i'm getting this when i try to run my app on the cmd line? |
| 13:14.43 | Any_Key | Fracture, hey-ho |
| 13:16.34 | vivo | torpor: uicmoc4 still failing :( |
| 13:16.55 | Fracture | Any_Key: but,I don't know the impact of having too big a jffs image |
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| 13:17.34 | Any_Key | Fracture, me to, mounting may be slow... |
| 13:17.53 | Fracture | Any_Key: well.. when I dd'ed out of the new /dev/mtdblock0 image, after making my change.. it crashed the flasher |
| 13:18.16 | Fracture | Any_Key: Please wait, programming the NAND flash... qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x00000004 |
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| 13:20.30 | Any_Key | Fracture, the size of MTD device crated now is 48M my jffs image was ~39M maybe this is the point? |
| 13:21.24 | Fracture | Any_Key: yeah.. my jffs image is 42188800 bytes, which /1024 = 41200, therefore the modprobe command is : modprobe mtdram total_size=41200 erase_size=256 |
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| 13:22.01 | Fracture | i'm going to try making an image of that size, copy the image to it, mount it, unmount it, make a new image from the device, and flash it .. to see if I can do a rount trip without touching aything |
| 13:22.04 | serenity | hi |
| 13:22.15 | serenity | i am using openmoko with qemu, but there is a biggy mouse support. What can i do to get rid of it? |
| 13:23.05 | guaqua | delete the /etc/pointercal file in the image, serenity |
| 13:23.15 | guaqua | that is not an easy task, however |
| 13:23.26 | serenity | why? |
| 13:25.01 | serenity | sorry, should be "how". How can i delete this? |
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| 13:25.36 | Any_Key | Fracture, I'm already thinking about finding recipe that inserts this /etc/pointercal, edit it & rebuil... |
| 13:27.04 | serenity | are there any plans to release a new image? |
| 13:27.41 | Fracture | Any_Key: yeah, that will be a good idea.. however my "make openmoko-devel-image" is still running in the background, and seems to take a while |
| 13:27.57 | Any_Key | serenity, take a look at IRC log for last hour or last night some people trying it, include myself |
| 13:28.12 | serenity | oh... |
| 13:28.24 | serenity | :-( |
| 13:28.29 | torpor | finished building fine for me. |
| 13:28.47 | Fracture | Any_Key: I managed to flash an unmodified jffs2 image that I did a round trip (dd into and outof the /dev/mtdblock0 device) |
| 13:29.02 | Fracture | Any_Key: now, to try increasing the image size |
| 13:29.18 | bmidgley | I ran the battery from full to empty and it lasted just shy of 6hrs... |
| 13:29.38 | bmidgley | latest 2007.2 from mokomakefile |
| 13:29.51 | Any_Key | Fracture, goood |
| 13:31.20 | Any_Key | serenity, don't despair, you always can do something |
| 13:31.38 | serenity | Any_Key: tell me :) |
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| 13:32.12 | serenity | did some screenshots for the folks |
| 13:32.30 | serenity | to get a closer look into it |
| 13:32.45 | b1303s__ | Fracture, Any_Key: maybe this helps: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loop_back_.28MTD_RAM.29_device |
| 13:33.05 | serenity | can be seen here |
| 13:33.05 | serenity | http://www.ssg-radenbeck.de/other/moko/ |
| 13:33.16 | sagacis | moin |
| 13:33.21 | Fracture | b1303s__: legend |
| 13:33.24 | sagacis | hhf423: you broke your pohe? |
| 13:33.42 | hhf423 | moin sagacis |
| 13:34.40 | hhf423 | sagacis: I have no idea. I usually do not leave the battery in the phone overnight to prevent discharging. but today the phone does not boot. I now had the neo hooked up for an hour or so and still no boot |
| 13:34.59 | torpor | give it time hhf423 |
| 13:35.13 | torpor | the same thing happened to me too but i had to really charge the battery for a while to get it working. |
| 13:35.21 | Fracture | Any_Key: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loop_back_.28MTD_RAM.29_device works ;) |
| 13:35.27 | torpor | also, try the AUX+Power switch on boot up to get uboot menu up .. |
| 13:35.34 | jeddy3 | hhf423, and if it still doesn't boot, remove the battery for a while and try again |
| 13:36.06 | Fracture | however, when I flash my new larger image, it still crashed qemy |
| 13:36.13 | b1303s__ | :) |
| 13:36.14 | Fracture | s/qemy/qemu |
| 13:36.20 | sagacis | hhf423: You'll be fine after about 2 hrs plugged into an active USB port. |
| 13:37.05 | sagacis | I tried to plug into a Windows machine and said 'no' to install the detected device, and the neo wouldn't fast-charge. |
| 13:37.37 | mwester | sagacis: Doesn't windows turn off the USB port if it has no driver? |
| 13:37.43 | sagacis | As much as possible, I leave my neo plugged into a fast-charge. |
| 13:37.51 | sagacis | mwester: Yup. That's the prob. |
| 13:37.53 | Fracture | Any_Key: using dd to copy the changed image back doesn't seem to work.. using the mkjs.jffs2 command does however !! cool |
| 13:39.00 | Any_Key | Fracture, cool! dos it calibrate itself on bootup? |
| 13:39.07 | Fracture | Any_Key: still booting |
| 13:39.19 | Fracture | Any_Key: qemu seems slow :( |
| 13:39.33 | sagacis | motorola chargers are special, too, so you can't just use a dumb charger |
| 13:40.09 | bmidgley | but an "open" phone should work with any charger imho |
| 13:40.10 | ewanm89mob | Not with linux. (also windows driver available on motodev) |
| 13:40.40 | bmidgley | I have a solar charger and a crank charger that are useless with neo |
| 13:40.44 | sagacis | bmidgley: The neo does, just only 100ma, which isn't enough to keep the phone alive |
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| 13:41.15 | sagacis | you just have to crank hard for 12 hours straight! |
| 13:41.16 | Any_Key | change in Makefile "-M neo -m 130 -usb -show-cursor \" to "-M neo -m 260 -usb -show-cursor \" example if seems to fasten a little |
| 13:41.22 | Fracture | is there any way to run qemu with an accelerator to make it run faster .. I knew something like that was availible for normal linux kernels on qemu ? or is it different due to the guest os's architecture ? |
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| 13:41.34 | mwester | The problem is that we have high expectations of the neo in terms of standards, and apparently the 100ma/full charge thing is related to the USB spec... |
| 13:41.59 | sagacis | mwester: Sort of. It's like the mailing list header issue.... |
| 13:42.05 | mjr | bmidgley, and indeed it is open enough that you can code support for forced fast charging while the phone is in linux; look at u-boot for model and hack away |
| 13:42.12 | mwester | I thought there was a way to fix that in u-boot -- can't you bump the charge current to the full 500ma? |
| 13:42.43 | bmidgley | mjr I actually did dig into it for a while but it is hard to tell who calls the shots in the code |
| 13:42.44 | sagacis | mwester: neo is following the letter of the usb law. It's the ONLY phone that does that. Every other phone has a way to detect and fast-charge on a dumb charger. |
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| 13:42.59 | sagacis | mwester: Yes, but not while running. |
| 13:43.02 | Fracture | Any_Key: it seems stuck at the 'please wait while the UI starts up" stage |
| 13:43.09 | bmidgley | neo also can detect a special charger |
| 13:43.16 | Any_Key | Fracture, hm |
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| 13:43.22 | sagacis | bmidgley: I found the code last night. Haven't found where i2c is in the kernel yet. |
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| 13:43.40 | bmidgley | if the hub doesn't reply then neo's obligation to be kind is met and it can use 500mA |
| 13:43.46 | Any_Key | Fracture, Ctrl+Alt+3 |
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| 13:44.05 | Fracture | Any_Key: shows ATZ |
| 13:44.49 | Fracture | Any_Key: with a cursor under the A char |
| 13:45.31 | mwester | bmidgley: that's huge -- if the P1 units can be made to work with a dumb chargers, it's much more useful (I don't have smart chargers in my automobile) |
| 13:45.36 | bmidgley | it's crazy that everybody tells me it's a good idea that the crank, solar, and auto adapters I already have won't work |
| 13:45.44 | bmidgley | and should never work |
| 13:45.51 | sagacis | obstinance |
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| 13:46.08 | mjr | bmidgley, get a grip |
| 13:46.40 | hhf423 | bmidgley: no, you are right. its stupid, plain and simple. |
| 13:46.40 | Any_Key | Fracture, it on the late stage of boot, early it shows dmesg or so |
| 13:46.52 | mjr | everybpdy |
| 13:46.58 | mjr | everybody's _not_ saying that at all |
| 13:47.39 | hhf423 | but in my opinion everyone is entitled to a stupid decision every now and then |
| 13:47.55 | sagacis | hhf423: I hope so, or I'm in BIG trouble :) |
| 13:48.16 | hhf423 | sagacis: hahaha |
| 13:49.22 | hhf423 | are there chargers for the neo battery? or can I get a second battery with a charger somewhere? I can not have the neo hooked up for two hours every now and then when I least expect it |
| 13:50.10 | bmidgley | a nokia phone |
| 13:50.15 | bmidgley | will charge the battery |
| 13:50.20 | mjr | no it won't |
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| 13:50.36 | bmidgley | anyway, charging and power management are the two hurdles to leaving the house with neo |
| 13:50.38 | Fracture | bloody ubuntu kernel' OOPS'ed me |
| 13:50.48 | mjr | the neo can use nokia batteries, nokias won't use neo batteries |
| 13:50.55 | bmidgley | mjr ok |
| 13:51.06 | ME-tan | hmm nokia bl-5c batts? |
| 13:51.10 | hhf423 | the battery is not free, it seems :-) |
| 13:51.14 | mjr | some random non-brand charger that does nokia batteries will probably charge neo batteries |
| 13:51.29 | sagacis | mjr: Not in fast mode. |
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| 13:51.51 | mjr | sagacis, we're not talking USB here |
| 13:51.53 | sagacis | You can use random any charger that puts power on the usb line to 100ma charge ('pre') |
| 13:52.06 | hhf423 | sagacis: if the battery is directly charged, why should it not charge the neo battery with 500mA or more? |
| 13:52.17 | sagacis | Oh |
| 13:52.24 | sagacis | Then mjr's probably right |
| 13:52.25 | hhf423 | sagacis: we were talking direct charge |
| 13:52.28 | ME-tan | meh battery not free it's just a component. I think the only free battery are the old 5110 batteries that have AAA ni-cads inside |
| 13:52.28 | sagacis | sorry |
| 13:52.37 | sagacis | went away for donuts.... |
| 13:53.02 | hhf423 | whats the copatible nokia battery called then? |
| 13:53.16 | mjr | bl-5c for example as ME-tan said |
| 13:53.30 | hhf423 | mjr thanks |
| 13:53.42 | sagacis | hhf423: There's a discussion on the wiki about it |
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| 13:54.07 | mjr | but yeah, at least nokia phones check the battery metadata and refuse to deal with neo batteries; maybe their external chargers don't, but dunno |
| 13:54.14 | hhf423 | ooh, I can get it at amazon. how convenient |
| 13:54.54 | mjr | Hmm. |
| 13:54.56 | mjr | "However, currently Neo1973 won't charge BL-5C batteries." |
| 13:55.05 | mjr | ok, so there's that issue still |
| 13:55.38 | sagacis | I have a general build question, if anybody knows something about bitbake, etc. |
| 13:55.47 | mjr | anyway, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery has the info |
| 13:59.53 | rwhitby | anyone know where sdpd has gone in the new bluez-utils? |
| 14:06.55 | Cap_J_L_Picard | --enable-old-daemons compile option. |
| 14:07.23 | Fracture | Any_Key: I am giving up for tonight.. good luck to you :) |
| 14:07.52 | Ghiottone | bye all |
| 14:07.57 | Ghiottone | see you maybe later |
| 14:08.06 | Any_Key | Fracture, good luck & goodnight |
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| 14:19.07 | jadams | hhf423: how's the neo? Mine doesn't boot this morning either, I left the battery in overnight |
| 14:19.22 | torpor | that has happened to me twice. |
| 14:19.28 | torpor | you leave the battery out for an hour. |
| 14:19.34 | torpor | then put the battery back, and let it charge. |
| 14:19.36 | torpor | for 2 to 3 hours. |
| 14:19.43 | torpor | hold down the power button, hard and firm. |
| 14:20.27 | jadams | any hints that it's charging when the phone's off? |
| 14:20.32 | jadams | any lights come on or anything? |
| 14:20.36 | jadams | or is it an act of faith? |
| 14:20.42 | torpor | nope |
| 14:20.51 | torpor | its all pretty much totally haywire. |
| 14:21.01 | torpor | but thats why you got it in the first place right? |
| 14:21.05 | torpor | it is a development machine. |
| 14:21.06 | jadams | correct |
| 14:21.14 | jadams | I just want to be developing on it now :-\ |
| 14:21.19 | jadams | this was supposed to be my day |
| 14:21.43 | torpor | the problem is abysmal powermanagement in the kernel/distrosetup right now. it deflates all batteries, and leaves the onboard capacitors in a sorry state. a bit of wiggle is what you need. |
| 14:22.00 | torpor | be patient. don't get stressed. its all i can say. |
| 14:22.17 | torpor | happened to me twice this week. i hope powermanagement is a priority next week. |
| 14:22.22 | jadams | I have the other battery, but it's at work |
| 14:22.23 | jadams | sigh... |
| 14:22.33 | torpor | just give it a bit of a wiggle. |
| 14:22.44 | torpor | i bet it boots. |
| 14:23.10 | torpor | and anywyay .. how far along are you with developing for the moko? its quite possible you can have work to do to set it up before you can turn it on anyway .. |
| 14:23.12 | jadams | trying to find a usb wall charger right now |
| 14:23.23 | jadams | torpor: meh, I've had it booting, etc. already |
| 14:23.26 | torpor | whats wrong with your PC for charging .. |
| 14:23.31 | jadams | laptop |
| 14:23.32 | torpor | do you have the devkit set up and working? |
| 14:23.47 | jadams | I don't have the build env. going at work for 2007.2 yet |
| 14:23.56 | torpor | thats a lot of effort. |
| 14:24.02 | Tyrael | Hi all, ipkg update && ipkg upgrade have installed a new kernel, but Neo boots with the old one. I tried to -force-reinstall the new kernel image (kernel-2.6.21.6-moko11). I need to remove the old one? |
| 14:24.11 | torpor | it probably would be good for you to have a working neo to play with for days and days while you wait for the build to complete. |
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| 14:24.20 | mwester | hehe! |
| 14:24.22 | jadams | yeah |
| 14:24.53 | torpor | seriously though, there is a *lot* of rampup to be done to get to the point where you're coding for the neo. |
| 14:25.23 | mwester | I'm considering hijacking the wife's computer (quad-core w/2GB) just so I can build faster... |
| 14:25.47 | jadams | torpor: except ruby and gprs were working, and I had tons of stuff I was going to do with just those two |
| 14:26.11 | hhf423 | mybe I should get the bt-14 charger from nokia to charge the battery. should go a lot fater |
| 14:26.58 | hhf423 | this is not funny, neo still deos not boot |
| 14:28.28 | jadams | hhf423: tried the other battery? |
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| 14:29.11 | ixs | any idea what could be using the gsm serial line? |
| 14:29.13 | hhf423 | which other batter? |
| 14:29.13 | ixs | root@fic-gta01:~$ lsof | grep ttySAC0 |
| 14:29.14 | ixs | root@fic-gta01:~$ cu -l /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 14:29.14 | ixs | cu: open (/dev/ttySAC0): Permission denied |
| 14:29.14 | ixs | cu: /dev/ttySAC0: Line in use |
| 14:29.14 | ixs | root@fic-gta01:~$ |
| 14:29.29 | hhf423 | ixs: you need to change the permissions |
| 14:29.58 | hhf423 | chown uucp.uucp /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 14:30.34 | hhf423 | jadams: which other battery? |
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| 14:30.42 | Fracture | mwester: http://www.openembedded.org/icecc : It is possible to compile on a cluster of machines with OE, and quite easily so. This code is still somewhat experimental, but ... |
| 14:30.42 | ixs | hhf423: ohh. strange. I always thought cu should work as I'm root and root has rw |
| 14:31.14 | hhf423 | ixs: yes, but aparrently not even root is allowed everything just so |
| 14:32.02 | ixs | hhf423: very strange. |
| 14:32.09 | torpor | mwester: a distcc host on your wifes computer would probably be easy to do for openembedded .. |
| 14:32.14 | Fracture | someone needs to make a LiveCD that has icecc setup on it.. so that you can just bung it into other spare PCs around your home/office, and off you go :) |
| 14:32.37 | Fracture | torpor: aparently dist-cc is a no-go for cross compiling |
| 14:32.49 | Fracture | torpor: checkout icecc instead http://www.openembedded.org/icecc |
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| 14:33.01 | torpor | ah, thats what i meant. |
| 14:33.03 | SteveTheFaag | Lend me your ears now, Montenegrins! |
| 14:33.05 | SteveTheFaag | Full fifty years I’ve spun of my life's thread, |
| 14:33.07 | SteveTheFaag | And summer on this mount have ever spent, |
| 14:33.08 | SteveTheFaag | Ascending quite to this commanding peak. |
| 14:33.10 | SteveTheFaag | A hundred times I’ve gaz’d at floading clouds, |
| 14:33.11 | SteveTheFaag | Sailing as phantom ships high off the sea, |
| 14:33.13 | SteveTheFaag | And casting anchor on this mountain range! |
| 14:33.14 | SteveTheFaag | Now here, now there I’ve watch’d them break away, |
| 14:33.16 | SteveTheFaag | With darts of lightning and with rumblings dread - |
| 14:33.17 | SteveTheFaag | And sudden roar of all the sky’s artillery! |
| 14:33.19 | SteveTheFaag | A hundred times have I watch’d from these heights, |
| 14:33.20 | SteveTheFaag | And quietly basked beneath the genial sun, |
| 14:33.22 | SteveTheFaag | While lightnings flash’d and thunders peal’d below: |
| 14:33.23 | SteveTheFaag | I saw and heard how they did rend the skies; |
| 14:33.25 | SteveTheFaag | Downpours from heaven of most hostile hail |
| 14:33.26 | SteveTheFaag | Robbed Mother Earth of her fertility. |
| 14:33.28 | SteveTheFaag | And how a wonder new comes into view: |
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| 14:33.29 | SteveTheFaag | Observest thou - if thou thy God dost know! - |
| 14:33.31 | SteveTheFaag | How much is sea and how much is of shore? |
| 14:33.31 | aloril | SteveTheFaag: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 14:33.33 | SteveTheFaag | View Bosnia’s plains! Herzegovina see! |
| 14:33.34 | SteveTheFaag | Albania spreading straight unto the waves! |
| 14:33.35 | torpor | but its not true you can't use distcc for crosscompiling .. |
| 14:33.36 | SteveTheFaag | Seest thou how much is Montenegrin soil? |
| 14:33.37 | njan | SteveTheFaag, that's enough, thanks - please respond to your /mgss.. |
| 14:33.38 | SteveTheFaag | One single cloud doth surely cover all! |
| 14:33.40 | SteveTheFaag | All around doth peal the crashing thunder, |
| 14:33.42 | SteveTheFaag | Behold beneath us how the lightnings flash, |
| 14:33.44 | SteveTheFaag | Alone on us doth smile the cheering sun: |
| 14:33.46 | SteveTheFaag | Kindly the air doth greet our faces now - |
| 14:33.48 | SteveTheFaag | ’Tis wont on Lovtchen to blow somewhat cool! |
| 14:33.51 | SteveTheFaag | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.52 | SteveTheFaag | OBRAD |
| 14:33.54 | SteveTheFaag | Didst thou mark the wonder and the omen - |
| 14:33.54 | hhf423 | gawd, can someone kick the spammer |
| 14:33.56 | SteveTheFaag | How in the sky two flashes made a Cross! |
| 14:33.58 | SteveTheFaag | One flash there was from Kom straight on to Lovtchen; |
| 14:34.00 | SteveTheFaag | From Scutari another - unto Ostrog! |
| 14:34.01 | torpor | kick! |
| 14:34.02 | SteveTheFaag | They made a cross of living fire; |
| 14:34.04 | SteveTheFaag | Most beautiful indeed to view; |
| 14:34.06 | SteveTheFaag | Never before in this wide world |
| 14:34.08 | SteveTheFaag | Was like unto it seen or even heard, |
| 14:34.10 | SteveTheFaag | God help us Serbs in all our misery, |
| 14:34.10 | Fracture | its quite funny to read |
| 14:34.12 | SteveTheFaag | And let this Cross be unto us good omen! |
| 14:34.14 | SteveTheFaag | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.16 | SteveTheFaag | VUK RASLAPCHEVITCH |
| 14:34.18 | SteveTheFaag | Say, Drashko, say! Whereat dost point thy jeferdar? |
| 14:34.20 | SteveTheFaag | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.22 | SteveTheFaag | VOIVODA DRASHKO |
| 14:34.24 | SteveTheFaag | Tempted am I to shoot a little cuckoo, |
| 14:34.26 | SteveTheFaag | But rather grudge to spend on it the bullet! |
| 14:34.28 | SteveTheFaag | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.30 | SteveTheFaag | VUK RASLAPCHEVITCH |
| 14:34.32 | SteveTheFaag | Save it, then, Drashko! Let life more precious be! |
| 14:34.34 | SteveTheFaag | From shooting cuckoos there can come no good; |
| 14:34.36 | SteveTheFaag | Dost thou not know - if the Devil hath not thee? - |
| 14:34.38 | SteveTheFaag | That cuckoos are the daughters of Tsar Lazar? |
| 14:34.40 | SteveTheFaag | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.42 | SteveTheFaag | (Much shouting is heard near the ruins on |
| 14:34.43 | njan | SteveTheFaag, last chance - stop, please. |
| 14:34.44 | SteveTheFaag | the hill-top on the north side, above the Lake.) |
| 14:34.46 | SteveTheFaag | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.48 | SteveTheFaag | SERDAR VOUKOTA |
| 14:34.50 | SteveTheFaag | What cause for this ado? Why uproar thus? |
| 14:34.52 | SteveTheFaag | Such babbling were a shame to any children! |
| 14:34.53 | Fracture | I think its a bot |
| 14:34.54 | SteveTheFaag | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.56 | SteveTheFaag | VOUKOTA MRVALYEVITCH |
| 14:34.57 | vivo | sudo kick SteveTheFaag |
| 14:34.57 | Any_Key | this is opera or so? |
| 14:34.58 | SteveTheFaag | A flight of partridges upon us came, |
| 14:34.58 | torpor | boot! |
| 14:35.04 | SteveTheFaag | And every bird of them we took alive: |
| 14:35.04 | SteveTheFaag | On which account this uproar great amongst us! |
| 14:35.04 | SteveTheFaag | (More shouting.) |
| 14:35.04 | torpor | ~ |
| 14:35.06 | SteveTheFaag | Let these birds go; I swear it is God’s will! |
| 14:35.08 | SteveTheFaag | For ’twas distress that brought them here; |
| 14:35.08 | guaqua | chatzilla says whois |
| 14:35.10 | SteveTheFaag | How could ye captive make of one of them, |
| 14:35.12 | SteveTheFaag | Since they do fly to you for kindly care, |
| 14:35.14 | SteveTheFaag | ’Tis not God’s will that ye should them all kill! |
| 14:35.16 | SteveTheFaag | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.18 | SteveTheFaag | (They let the birds fly off, and the young men |
| 14:35.19 | torpor | ~lart the ops for not paying attention to serbian history!!! |
| 14:35.20 | apt | whips the ops with a wet and grimy noodle just because for not paying attention to serbian history!!! |
| 14:35.20 | SteveTheFaag | return to the crosses, with the aid of which they |
| 14:35.22 | SteveTheFaag | had caught the birds.) |
| 14:35.24 | SteveTheFaag | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.26 | SteveTheFaag | AN ASSEMBLY AT CETTIGNÉ ON THE 8TH SEPTEMBER, ON THE OCCASION OF THE FESTIVAL OF THE NATIVITY OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY |
| 14:35.29 | SteveTheFaag | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.31 | SteveTheFaag | (Some disputes are to be settled. The People |
| 14:35.33 | SteveTheFaag | dance the Kolo; the Chiefs go aside) |
| 14:35.34 | torpor | ~lart the ops paying attention to serbian history!!! |
| 14:35.34 | apt | installs PocketPC on the ops paying attention to serbian history!!!'s PDA |
| 14:35.35 | SteveTheFaag | The People, as they dance the Kolo,* sing: |
| 14:35.37 | SteveTheFaag | Our God hath poured His wrath upon the Serbs, |
| 14:35.39 | SteveTheFaag | For deadly sins withdrawn His favour from us: |
| 14:35.41 | SteveTheFaag | Our Rulers trampled underfoot all law, |
| 14:35.43 | SteveTheFaag | With bloody hatred fought each other down. |
| 14:35.45 | SteveTheFaag | Tore from fraternal brows the living eyes: |
| 14:35.47 | SteveTheFaag | Authority and Law they cast aside, |
| 14:35.48 | torpor | ~lart the ops for not paying attention to serbian history!!! |
| 14:35.48 | apt | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps the ops for not paying attention to serbian history!!! |
| 14:35.49 | SteveTheFaag | Instead chose folly as their rule and guide! |
| 14:35.51 | SteveTheFaag | And those who served our kings became untrue, |
| 14:35.53 | SteveTheFaag | Crimson they bathed themselves in kingly blood! |
| 14:35.55 | SteveTheFaag | Our noblemen - God’s curse be on their souls - |
| 14:35.57 | SteveTheFaag | Did tear and rend the Kingdom into pieces, |
| 14:35.59 | SteveTheFaag | And wasted wantonly our people's power. |
| 14:36.01 | SteveTheFaag | The Serbian magnates - may their name rot out! - |
| 14:36.02 | torpor | ~lart the ops for not paying attention to serbian history!!! |
| 14:36.02 | apt | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down the ops's throat until the ops puts on 150lbs for not paying attention to serbian history!!! |
| 14:36.03 | SteveTheFaag | They scatter’d broadcast Discord’s evil seed, |
| 14:36.05 | SteveTheFaag | And poisoned thus the life-springs of our race. |
| 14:36.07 | SteveTheFaag | Our Serbian chiefs, most miserable cowards, |
| 14:36.09 | torpor | damnit |
| 14:36.16 | guaqua | that took a while :F |
| 14:36.26 | Fracture | lol |
| 14:36.26 | guaqua | we need to have some sort of protection against that |
| 14:36.37 | torpor | yeah its called a non-sleeping ops |
| 14:36.57 | njan | Sorry, guys. He's been disrupting multiple channels. |
| 14:37.00 | njan | He shouldn't cause you any more problems :) |
| 14:37.51 | guaqua | oh, you were an op :) |
| 14:37.57 | torpor | ok |
| 14:38.02 | torpor | where were we .. |
| 14:38.20 | njan | If someone's been particularly disruptive like this, it's generally worth pinging a staffer or #freenode - we can't really intervene in channel issues, but this both was particularly disruptive and affecting multiple channels :) |
| 14:38.24 | njan | guaqua, nope, I'm a freenode staffer. |
| 14:38.31 | guaqua | okay |
| 14:38.52 | ixs | guaqua: mhm, I've only seen such problems on freenode I think. Looks like the existance of ChanServ is leading to less people being ops. Less ops means less people able to kick someone like that. |
| 14:39.21 | ixs | and pinging staffers might work, but is not the direct way of solving problems. |
| 14:39.35 | guaqua | also leads to less hijackings due to the fact that hijacking doesn't really lead anywhere |
| 14:40.02 | torpor | njan: i was glad of the history lesson, that is some nice literature .. |
| 14:40.05 | njan | ixs, actually, since chanserv lets folk op themselves up whenever they want, the presence of chansrev generally makes it easier to maintain a trusted group of folk with the requisite superpowers to take action if it's required.. |
| 14:40.17 | njan | ixs, it's just unfortunate that this channel doesn't have >1 op in the Chanserv ACL :) |
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| 14:40.20 | ixs | guaqua: nah, hijacking problems are not really that common anymore. |
| 14:41.30 | ixs | njan: sure, like I said, chanserv leads to less ops as there's no danger of the ops suddenly getting disconnected and then returning to a opless channel. Side effect is, that many chanowners do not assign as man op flags anymore, resulting in above when the one guy (or the small group) fell asleep. |
| 14:41.33 | SpeedEvil | We could prolly do with more ops. |
| 14:41.37 | SpeedEvil | There is currently one. |
| 14:41.46 | njan | ixs, maybe. I haven't found that to be the case. |
| 14:41.59 | njan | ixs, some channels stick *!*@freenode/staff/* and *!*@freenode/helper/* in the ACL if they have fewer ops, or just as a contingency in case no-one's around / there's a particularly disruptive problem. |
| 14:42.50 | ixs | njan: mhm, I've seen that happen on quite a lot of channels I'm on. Might be though, that I'm only picking the bad ones on freenode. :-> |
| 14:43.22 | ixs | Okay, but back to neo-stuff |
| 14:43.43 | ixs | any suggestion _why_ the modem is not answering to AT requests? neither via cu nor via gpsd. |
| 14:43.48 | ixs | s/gps/gsm/ |
| 14:43.59 | mjr | it's off? |
| 14:44.03 | ixs | mjr: nope. |
| 14:44.09 | ixs | power_on says 1 |
| 14:44.16 | ixs | (and it worked in the past) |
| 14:44.35 | ixs | <6>gta01-pm-gsm gta01-pm-gsm.0: powering up GSM, thus disconnecting serial console |
| 14:44.43 | ixs | so I guess it's really powered on. |
| 14:46.33 | njan | ixs, *shrug*.. I'd recommend talking to whoever's in charge of the channel and explaining the problem to them :) |
| 14:46.49 | njan | ixs, obviously if they're not there to fix it they may not be there to see it either :) |
| 14:46.56 | ixs | njan: nah, *shrug* is my opinion as well... |
| 14:47.17 | guaqua | who's in charge of this channel anyway? |
| 14:49.22 | torpor | anyone else in here a bitbake newbie? |
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| 14:51.21 | hhf423 | fsck, the neo is still dead |
| 14:51.58 | torpor | take the battery out |
| 14:52.05 | torpor | hold down the power, hold down AUX. |
| 14:52.07 | hhf423 | torpor: done |
| 14:52.07 | torpor | do that twice. |
| 14:52.16 | torpor | hold down the power, put the battery back in. |
| 14:52.20 | hhf423 | torpor: done already |
| 14:52.34 | hhf423 | putting battery in while holding power? |
| 14:52.39 | torpor | then leave it in charging overnight and try again tomorrow. |
| 14:52.46 | torpor | yes.. |
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| 14:53.48 | sagacis|neo | howdy howdy! |
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| 14:54.06 | sagacis|neo | My cablemodem just conked out, so I slaved through my neo... |
| 14:54.08 | hhf423 | this is stupid voodoo |
| 14:54.32 | hhf423 | this battery/chaging issue is a serious drawback. what crap. |
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| 14:59.40 | sagacis | darn, lost internet |
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| 15:02.22 | SpeedEvil | hhf: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Charging |
| 15:02.28 | SpeedEvil | see the emergency charging bit |
| 15:02.42 | SpeedEvil | torpor seems a bit confused. |
| 15:03.18 | jadams | hhf423: mine boots fine now |
| 15:03.35 | jadams | all I did was take the battery out, stick it back in, leave it plugged up to my laptop for an hour |
| 15:04.04 | jadams | sagacis: lost the neo internet? |
| 15:04.30 | jadams | I get my new laptop on or around labor day, once that's here I'll get bluetooth phone/computer connection rocking |
| 15:04.42 | jadams | or once I flash my 770 with a new image |
| 15:04.43 | hhf423 | jadams: yeah, I know. Thats what I did last time and the neo was fine after an hour. but now its NOT fine still after 3 hours + |
| 15:05.04 | jadams | I've wanted to do the (770 shares wifi with neo shares gprs with 770) dance for a while now |
| 15:05.30 | jadams | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Charging#Neo1973_emergency_charging read that hhf423 ? |
| 15:05.41 | hhf423 | jadams: of course |
| 15:05.45 | torpor | hhf423: just leave it overnight. |
| 15:06.00 | ScaredyCat | chanserv, I can has an ops ? |
| 15:06.14 | hhf423 | torpor: easy to say, you do not have no neo to play with. this plainly sucks |
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| 15:06.50 | SpeedEvil | hhf423: read the above link, you do not need overnight properly done, an hour at most. |
| 15:07.10 | hhf423 | SpeedEvil: its already three hours and not back from the dead |
| 15:08.01 | ScaredyCat | did you take the battery out for 10 mins, then plug it all in |
| 15:08.10 | ScaredyCat | is you usb 500ma > |
| 15:08.14 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 15:08.23 | jadams | torpor: you did leave it out for 20 secs? |
| 15:08.30 | jadams | oh, 10min says scaredycat |
| 15:09.09 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: yes, my USB is 500mA |
| 15:09.28 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: yes, I did all the battery take out voodoo |
| 15:09.46 | ScaredyCat | ok, so once it's all plugged in and left for a futher 20 mins then power up |
| 15:10.02 | ScaredyCat | ie don't power up immediately |
| 15:10.30 | sagacis|neo | jadams: I lost my main broadband internet. Happens often... |
| 15:10.35 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: I did that. still dead after an hour, after two hours and after 3 hours |
| 15:10.53 | SpeedEvil | hhf: Do you have a voltmeter? |
| 15:11.12 | *** part/#openmoko sagacis|neo (n=root@32.132.190.71) |
| 15:11.29 | hhf423 | SpeedEvil: the Neo has charges cccv on this usb port before. I know that it has 500mA |
| 15:11.36 | SpeedEvil | Err - no. |
| 15:11.41 | hhf423 | cccv/fast |
| 15:11.47 | SpeedEvil | The Neo draws only what it decides to draw at any time. |
| 15:11.54 | SpeedEvil | This is not specified by the port, but the neo. |
| 15:12.21 | hhf423 | SpeedEvil: sure, right. Is probably so dead now that it only charges 100 |
| 15:12.34 | SpeedEvil | 40mA in reality |
| 15:12.58 | hhf423 | crap |
| 15:13.51 | SpeedEvil | An hour - after battery taken out and put back in and not touched - should get you enough for 5 mins easily. |
| 15:14.24 | hhf423 | SpeedEvil: I already did that. So I should probably be very worried now |
| 15:14.43 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Flashing_openmoko]] [[Neo1973_Battery_Charger]] [[MokoMakefile]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Warsaw]] |
| 15:15.03 | hhf423 | SpeedEvil: and the best thing is: I do not even know how the battery got drained, because it was NOT in the neo over night |
| 15:15.19 | torpor | jadams: yup.. i left it out for a few hours. |
| 15:15.24 | torpor | then i charged overnight |
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| 15:18.05 | hhf423 | did I already mention that the battery was not in the phone overnight? and that is was almost full when I took it out? |
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| 15:29.31 | SpeedEvil | hhf|away: :/ |
| 15:30.05 | SpeedEvil | hhf|away: it is a brand name charger/port, not a no-name one? |
| 15:30.31 | SpeedEvil | Though 'brand name' may be meaningless - I've had a Belkin Tetrahub output 10V |
| 15:30.44 | SpeedEvil | which diddn't do most of the stuff connected to it much good at all. |
| 15:45.36 | sagacis | hhf|away: Did you put it in the phone backwards? |
| 15:45.39 | sagacis | ;-) |
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| 15:53.25 | hhf|away | pfew |
| 15:53.31 | hhf|away | phew |
| 15:54.12 | hhf|away | I took the battery out, went to mow my lawn and now I am back, I put the battery back in and the Neo boots |
| 15:54.24 | hhf|away | this is crazy |
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| 15:54.56 | hhf|away | all the "take out, press power button, press aux & power" blabla voodoo for nothing |
| 15:55.11 | hhf|away | just take the battery out for like half an hour |
| 15:55.54 | hhf|away | this is chaos, there are no patterns, no order |
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| 15:58.06 | mbuf | has anyone built OM2007.2 on Debian Etch? |
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| 15:59.32 | BryceLeo | g |
| 15:59.36 | BryceLeo | goodmoring all* |
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| 16:02.12 | jadams | hhf: well, good news anyway |
| 16:02.35 | jadams | this thing needs a bigger root partition, that's all there is to it |
| 16:03.04 | jadams | is the root fs bigger on the consumer version by chance? |
| 16:03.28 | BryceLeo | why do you need a bigger root partition? |
| 16:04.26 | jadams | BryceLeo: meh, just installed like two things through ipkg yesterday and ate up all the space |
| 16:04.50 | BryceLeo | what two things? |
| 16:04.50 | jadams | and the libs take up most of it, and I don't really want to put linked libs on removable media |
| 16:05.02 | jadams | midori and mysql, mtpaint and a couple others maybe too |
| 16:05.08 | jadams | but it wasn't very much stuff |
| 16:05.23 | jadams | and most of them were tiny on inspection, think midori was one of the big problems |
| 16:05.34 | BryceLeo | what's midori? i only knowit as alcohol |
| 16:05.45 | jadams | webkit-based browser |
| 16:05.48 | jadams | google maps works great in it |
| 16:05.53 | jadams | (as should all iphone apps) |
| 16:05.57 | BryceLeo | niice that's awesome |
| 16:06.00 | jadams | yeah |
| 16:06.17 | jadams | but the rootfs needs to be bigger, at least big enough to hold a few more libs than it can now |
| 16:06.39 | jadams | unless I just start keeping all apps, .Desktop entries, and libs for a given app on the same removable drive |
| 16:06.54 | jadams | err, microsd |
| 16:07.00 | BryceLeo | hmm i thought there was a google code project going on for this already... that seems like a bit of duplicated work |
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| 16:07.10 | jadams | there probably is, I just haven't heard of it |
| 16:07.19 | cesarb | jadams: the microsd is as "removable" as an internal HD is |
| 16:07.57 | jadams | cesarb: what's the appropriate way to switch it to handle /lib, etc then? |
| 16:08.25 | jadams | move stuff to /media/card/lib and symlink that? |
| 16:08.43 | jadams | I don't want to make partitions on the card, I know that much |
| 16:09.57 | cesarb | jadams: if you want to use it to expand rootfs, you'll want ext2 at least, so what's the problem with some extra partitioning? |
| 16:10.17 | cesarb | jadams: (of course, the real solution is to increase the internal flash... which I think GTA02 does |
| 16:10.18 | cesarb | ) |
| 16:10.40 | jadams | cesarb: I don't want to choose how to split up a meager 512M...I'd rather it be more fluid |
| 16:10.49 | jadams | I'd partition the whole thing ext2, but I don't want multiple partitions |
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| 16:11.04 | jadams | but I just want it to store apps on |
| 16:11.14 | jadams | I don't want installing two big applications to end the phone for me |
| 16:11.15 | emre_ | Strange, $HOME variable is not defined on the running device. |
| 16:11.25 | jadams | I couldn't even ipkg remove because it would try to write to log and run out of space before removing |
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| 16:12.05 | cesarb | emre_: worse than that, everything runs as root |
| 16:12.30 | cesarb | emre_: which is something you got on operating systems of the last century |
| 16:12.31 | emre_ | that's ok, but there is a /home/root path. I was hoping that would be the $HOME. |
| 16:12.37 | BryceLeo | cesarb: most explots are buffer overflows once you pop a buffer you can run as root |
| 16:13.09 | BryceLeo | there's really not a terribly amount of risk with everything running as root |
| 16:13.23 | jadams | BryceLeo: are you kidding? |
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| 16:13.49 | BryceLeo | no |
| 16:13.51 | emre_ | heh, think about this way, do I really want to enter a root password every time I want to install a new device? |
| 16:13.59 | BryceLeo | if you're smart about using your device then you're fine |
| 16:14.12 | BryceLeo | do you want to enter a root password to turn the gprs radio on and off? |
| 16:14.17 | jadams | BryceLeo: but everyone's running packages they download from the repository all the time |
| 16:14.21 | jadams | yes |
| 16:14.23 | jadams | give me sudo |
| 16:14.33 | BryceLeo | then you need a trusted repo, that's the point |
| 16:14.36 | orospakr | hey, does the neo have a magnetic leaf switch inside it like the blackberry? |
| 16:14.38 | jadams | and let me set a few executables to run sudo |
| 16:14.41 | emre_ | the problem is keyboard. |
| 16:14.47 | jadams | BryceLeo: yeah, but I trust it now, and it could get hacked |
| 16:14.52 | jadams | trusted isn't unhackable |
| 16:14.57 | BryceLeo | so could any repo ever! |
| 16:15.01 | jadams | I know that |
| 16:15.09 | BryceLeo | if you have a plam device you don't worry about a phone virus too much |
| 16:15.15 | BryceLeo | you don't worry about a blackberry virus too much |
| 16:15.16 | jadams | but I'm not running most apps as root |
| 16:15.27 | BryceLeo | and for the love of god you don't worry abut win moblile viruses |
| 16:15.29 | jadams | BryceLeo: but I have a linux device now... |
| 16:15.30 | BryceLeo | why is this any different? |
| 16:15.40 | BryceLeo | yes a linux device which is if anything MORE SECURE |
| 16:15.40 | jadams | I just dislike running as root on a machine |
| 16:15.53 | jadams | superuser should be a privileged operating method, not the default. That's my position. |
| 16:16.08 | jadams | BryceLeo: and which I will be running LOTS OF OPEN PORTS ON |
| 16:16.15 | jadams | and which will just be an internet device |
| 16:16.35 | jadams | the winmo phones don't have that many paths in, but email on mine scared the bejeezus out of me |
| 16:16.36 | BryceLeo | jadams: then for your special case you can setup sudo |
| 16:16.49 | jadams | (not reeally, but it made me concerned I'd get a virus that way, given ms's track record w/ outlook) |
| 16:17.06 | jadams | BryceLeo: big fan of Ubuntu's default policies here |
| 16:17.21 | BryceLeo | me to, i love the idea of it, but it doesn't belong on a mobile device |
| 16:17.27 | BryceLeo | the most they'll steal is contact information |
| 16:17.27 | jadams | meh |
| 16:17.29 | BryceLeo | there's no money in that |
| 16:17.37 | BryceLeo | there's not credit card numbers, no social security number |
| 16:17.51 | madewokherd | I don't see how using something as "just an internet device" is a special case |
| 16:17.53 | jadams | my concern is just getting 0wned |
| 16:17.58 | jadams | what they take isn't a big deal to me |
| 16:18.07 | jadams | plus we're evaluating the phones for building part of our business on them |
| 16:18.09 | BryceLeo | hell look at the people who would kazaa your quicken or turbo tax data and send you a crafted email to extort the hell out of you |
| 16:18.11 | jadams | so yeah, it matters to me |
| 16:18.22 | jadams | because we MIGHT store sensitive data on there, and I don't want the base ui running as root dammit |
| 16:18.28 | jadams | but that's not my immediate concern |
| 16:18.41 | BryceLeo | then jadams you can create a special security enhanced build for your sitiuaiton and maybe even make it a full on project |
| 16:19.06 | jadams | BryceLeo: I might do it. My point was just that you acted like it was a silly thing to say, and there are loads of business scenarios that differ with that opinioin. |
| 16:19.12 | jadams | s/opinioin/opinion |
| 16:19.15 | BryceLeo | i totally agree, but imo sensetive data should always be under lock and key, shouldn't even go on a laptop |
| 16:19.25 | jadams | encrypt, encrypt, encrypt |
| 16:19.47 | jadams | but the sensitive data part, again, isn't as big of an issue as disrupted service or general 0wnage would |
| 16:19.47 | BryceLeo | any encryption can be broken, computers are getting to fast and people are to sloppy with encryption keys and passwords |
| 16:19.59 | jadams | this is the stupidest discussion I've ever heard |
| 16:20.02 | cesarb | jadams: with the small problem you cannot do full-partition encryption on jffs2, due to its use of OOB data... |
| 16:20.19 | cesarb | jadams: so you'd need to do the encryption on the sd card |
| 16:20.23 | jadams | high-bit RSA encryption can't be broken brute force. There are large prizes for solving the factorization challenges. (large-ish) |
| 16:20.27 | BryceLeo | could always port true crypt and just make an encrypted file in the partition, slow and balls but possible |
| 16:20.31 | jadams | I've worked on research on factorization methods |
| 16:21.01 | BryceLeo | jadams: where do you store your encrypiton key? the pass phrase? you still have dumb users out there who will keep it in a text file or taped to their phone |
| 16:21.12 | jadams | there's actually one method that worked great for smaller numbers (faster than any other I know of), but there was some threshold that killed the algorithm...in terms of performance. Never fixed that one. |
| 16:21.13 | BryceLeo | sensetive data should never be on a portable device |
| 16:21.29 | jadams | BryceLeo: but because idiots will do it doesn't change the inherent security |
| 16:21.38 | jadams | idiots aren't going to win, sure |
| 16:21.42 | BryceLeo | security is only as strong as the weakest link |
| 16:22.04 | jadams | but *I* should be able to. And idiots shouldn't be running as root without knowing what they're doing. |
| 16:22.11 | BryceLeo | running as root is not a problem for most users |
| 16:22.13 | jadams | oh my god, stop spouting off shit like that |
| 16:22.15 | jadams | I'm aware |
| 16:22.22 | BryceLeo | then what's your point? |
| 16:22.35 | jadams | I meant in response to 'security is only as strong as the weakest link' |
| 16:22.39 | BryceLeo | fringe cases and businesses that want to put secure data on a device that can fit in someones pocket? |
| 16:22.51 | jadams | my point has never been about secure data |
| 16:22.54 | jadams | I've said this repeatedly |
| 16:22.58 | jadams | the issue for me is 0wnage in the first place |
| 16:23.00 | BryceLeo | you don't want the device owned right |
| 16:23.06 | BryceLeo | it takes about 10 minutes to reflash |
| 16:23.22 | mickeyl | anyone else having the "Warning: unable to open initial console" problem w/ 2.6.12.6-moko11 ? |
| 16:24.07 | BryceLeo | mickeyl: i wasn't 2 days ago, i wont be able to re-build till i get my new drive in |
| 16:24.20 | mickeyl | k |
| 16:24.32 | BryceLeo | sorry i can't get you anything more recent |
| 16:25.44 | mickeyl | np |
| 16:26.19 | torpor | is there a package installer native for neo out there yet? i.e. can i do some sort of graphical install setup to test my new .ipks? |
| 16:26.49 | mickeyl | try installing openmoko-applicationmanager |
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| 16:26.59 | mickeyl | not yet converted to 2007.2 |
| 16:27.15 | torpor | oh, i see.. |
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| 16:29.41 | torpor | is openmoko-applicationmanager on some feed somewhere thats not normal on a neo1973? |
| 16:29.44 | torpor | running 2007.2 i mean? |
| 16:30.41 | SpeedEvil | There is no good solution to the ownage problem at the moment - for someone with a torx and a debug board. It can be fixed in software for the case of someone with a laptop, and a DFU image. |
| 16:30.52 | hhf | does anyone knwo if there is a difference in uImage-fic-gta01-latest.bin vs uImage-2.6.21.5-moko10-r4-fic-gta01.bin on the buildhost? |
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| 16:31.31 | SpeedEvil | What'd really be needed to make an ownage resistant device would be to epoxy the debug connector, or to have some passphrase to get to JTAG. |
| 16:31.43 | mickeyl | try ipkg install openmoko-appmanager |
| 16:31.48 | mickeyl | can't the the feed atm. |
| 16:32.51 | Shoragan | mickeyl, how is the froscon? |
| 16:33.10 | mickeyl | torpor: uploading it to the feed atm. hold on a couple of seconds |
| 16:33.13 | torpor | ok |
| 16:33.16 | mickeyl | then ipkg update and ipkg install openmoko-appmanager |
| 16:33.20 | mickeyl | Shoragan: good so far. |
| 16:33.23 | torpor | yup, understood. |
| 16:33.24 | torpor | thanks btw. |
| 16:33.34 | mickeyl | Shoragan: are you on an uptodate rootfs? |
| 16:33.43 | mickeyl | Shoragan: i have problems with "unable to open initial console" |
| 16:33.44 | Shoragan | i'm compiling right now |
| 16:33.47 | mickeyl | ok |
| 16:33.50 | mickeyl | please keep me posted |
| 16:33.50 | torpor | <--- w000t1!! just ran my first moko app, written from scratch, new bitbake ande verything! ;) |
| 16:33.56 | mickeyl | torpor: congrats! |
| 16:34.01 | BryceLeo | SpeedEvil: that would be great if there was a jtag passphrase, but with a custom debug board couldn't that be overcome? |
| 16:34.02 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the interesting case is avoiding ownage while under the linux kernel |
| 16:34.03 | torpor | yeah thanks micky |
| 16:34.13 | BryceLeo | haha nice job torpor! |
| 16:34.17 | torpor | feels good tob e back in the land of openembedded and actually doing something with it for a change! :) |
| 16:34.21 | BryceLeo | what kind of app is it torpor? |
| 16:34.27 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: so the user can only keep physical control and avoid connecting usb when on uboot, and that's all needed to avoid ownage |
| 16:34.45 | torpor | BryceLeo: an app to test my ability to write a bitbake recipe, work out what goes what, and display a few silly thingson the screen! |
| 16:34.55 | torpor | now i'm gonna dive into librsvg and see what it takes to do me some graphics .. ;) |
| 16:35.02 | BryceLeo | haha niice |
| 16:35.04 | BryceLeo | enjoy! |
| 16:35.11 | torpor | phew. |
| 16:35.13 | torpor | finally. |
| 16:36.15 | BryceLeo | torpor: you have it building using auto tools? |
| 16:36.20 | torpor | yes |
| 16:36.21 | torpor | ;) |
| 16:36.28 | torpor | so i'll have to try to compile it on my linux box now .. |
| 16:36.45 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: You also need to resist the 'phone unattended for 5 mins' case as much as possible IMO. |
| 16:36.50 | BryceLeo | hmm... mind tossing a tar.gz of your stuff up somehere or emailing it? |
| 16:37.24 | torpor | BryceLeo: not yet! but yes i will make an open source app out of this today/tomorrow, and then release it. |
| 16:37.27 | hhf | does anyone knwo if there is a difference in uImage-fic-gta01-latest.bin vs uImage-2.6.21.5-moko10-r4-fic-gta01.bin on the buildhost? |
| 16:37.29 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: if your phone is unattended for 5 minutes, it can get stolen, and you are owned no matter what you do |
| 16:37.38 | SpeedEvil | BryceLeo: I was meaning a hardware device on the board that would not let JTAG through until you'd configured it with passphrase. |
| 16:37.56 | torpor | BryceLeo: but for sure i will share/help you get up to speed too .. it was a seriously long effort - took me a week and a half to get everything smoothed out so i could build something. |
| 16:37.59 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: Nope. There is also the virtualisation/keylogger/... attack. |
| 16:38.13 | hhf | you could have a BT token on you and the phone will destroy all data if it can not see the BT token anymore :-) |
| 16:38.17 | torpor | if you're on a mactel, i could consider sharing my parallels image with you - its a linux machine with all build tools onboard, built, etc. |
| 16:38.54 | BryceLeo | torpor: i don't know autotools i write these odd little hackjob scripts to do my compilation |
| 16:39.04 | torpor | ah |
| 16:39.12 | BryceLeo | torpor: did you check out the Applicaiton development crash course? |
| 16:39.13 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: so, you need to resist for 5 minutes... the best I can think of is an uboot password before allowing dfu/console (perhaps with you needing to type it on the usb console before dfu can run), and a tamper-evident seal to avoid jtag attacks |
| 16:39.28 | torpor | yeah i just got up to speed on autotools today too, i sorta was glib and ignorant about it, but openembedded forced me to read up on it .. |
| 16:39.33 | jadams | building my own 2007.2 right now, once that's completed I'll look at mimicking torpor :) |
| 16:39.59 | torpor | yeah, i did the crash course: its crap! woot for a simple main().c app and thats it! what i've got now is the framework to use whatever libs are on board, link, form dependencies, etc. |
| 16:40.06 | BryceLeo | yeah torpor if you can send me that tar i'd be glad to tear it apart, learn auto-tools and fix up the crash course |
| 16:40.17 | torpor | jadams: l) |
| 16:40.26 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the _right_ way to make a almost unownable phone (owning time of several hours) would be to have a TPM... |
| 16:40.38 | torpor | i'll clean it up a bit and maybe i should add to the app crash course now .. |
| 16:40.51 | torpor | of course, i'll probably have a few nasty words from the openembedded crew about my bitbake, but whatever! :) |
| 16:41.03 | BryceLeo | torpor: i can go through and fix up your bitbake files |
| 16:41.09 | torpor | ok |
| 16:41.24 | torpor | then i will now take a break and come back to this and then have a go at updating the wiki for you guys .. |
| 16:41.39 | jadams | awesome |
| 16:41.40 | torpor | then i'll hack for a couple days and release a GPL package too, just so its all easier. |
| 16:41.52 | BryceLeo | alrighty sounds good to me |
| 16:42.00 | jadams | I'll be waiting on my work machine to build that image anyway, so... |
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| 16:42.18 | jadams | maybe I'll just play with pygtk on the device |
| 16:42.27 | torpor | yeah .. you really gotta get the builds done. thats a drag. |
| 16:42.56 | BryceLeo | torpor did you setup a local overlay? |
| 16:42.59 | jadams | once we're actually developing our apps for the phone (assuming we decide it's a good investment), I'll just buy a buildfarm for us or something :) |
| 16:43.08 | torpor | but actually maybe it'd be cool if we all shared a virtual machine image (parallels here) that has it already up and running, no further building necessary. i'm considering doing that with the open2x/GP2X toolchains i've been working on too, so maybe it'd work to just bung openmoko in it too .. |
| 16:43.35 | jadams | can parallels not import a vmware image? |
| 16:43.39 | jadams | I know qemu can run one... |
| 16:43.48 | torpor | no on the local overlay. i think thats not workable for me .. its too un-compatible with my other build systems for the rest of my codetree's .. |
| 16:44.07 | torpor | jadams: yeah, vice versa too i think. |
| 16:44.25 | jadams | good, good |
| 16:44.26 | BryceLeo | torpor: ... yowch.... ok... well i'll see what you did when you pop back with it |
| 16:44.33 | jadams | We use qemu/kqemu for everything |
| 16:44.41 | jadams | My love affair with OSS is only growing |
| 16:45.09 | torpor | okay time for a small break, then i'm gonna come back and really hack on some code, finally, and not just a build system .. <grin> |
| 16:45.21 | jadams | FlowPlayer is awesome by the way...off-topic, but it's an open source .flv player (a la youtube's flash player) |
| 16:46.01 | jadams | really polished and completely production ready...I just found it last week for the first time... |
| 16:46.07 | torpor | yeah i know, its ported to gp2x already .. ;) |
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| 16:46.22 | torpor | the GP2X crowd have some very nice software up their sleeves, by the way .. ;) |
| 16:47.04 | jadams | gp2x as in the handheld gaming console that's hackable? |
| 16:47.14 | torpor | yup |
| 16:47.19 | torpor | wiiiiiide open. |
| 16:47.21 | torpor | lovely machine. |
| 16:47.23 | torpor | very loverly. |
| 16:47.33 | torpor | i'm especially fond of its second processor, an ARM940 |
| 16:48.00 | jadams | any bluetooth on that guy? |
| 16:48.29 | torpor | no, but full USB host. |
| 16:48.51 | torpor | so you can just plug in whatevery ou want - WLAN, bluetooth, midi .. audio .. wacom tablet, mouse, powermate .. ;) |
| 16:49.04 | torpor | i have 2 poewrmates and 2 midi interfaces on one of my gp2x machines. |
| 16:49.11 | ewon | is it full usb host? |
| 16:49.17 | ewon | thought you had to provide external power |
| 16:49.23 | ewon | maybe I read wrong |
| 16:50.02 | torpor | well, its got a docking station, and i leave mine fully plugged in anyway, so .. |
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| 16:51.22 | jadams | how much are they? |
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| 16:57.32 | jadams | I did an update and now I have no recognized sound cards |
| 16:57.36 | jadams | this happened to me yesterday too |
| 16:57.40 | jadams | anyone seen this? |
| 16:57.46 | jadams | err, upgrade |
| 16:58.28 | mickeyl | it might be that you upgraded to 2.6.21.6 kernel modules |
| 16:58.33 | mickeyl | in that case you need to update uImage as well |
| 16:58.39 | mickeyl | since ipkg doesn't update the kernel |
| 16:58.45 | minnam | How long does it take to boot the device? |
| 16:58.52 | jadams | aha...updated uImage is on the buildhost I assume |
| 16:58.55 | mickeyl | unfortunately ipkg updates kernel modules as well, it shouldn't really |
| 16:59.09 | mickeyl | like on desktop systems, it should rather add them |
| 16:59.22 | mickeyl | jadams: i hope so. if not i'll build one |
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| 17:04.41 | jadams | alright, flashing latest uImage |
| 17:04.49 | BryceLeo | i really need to get my nas box setup |
| 17:06.07 | jadams | hrm...I still see on boot 'alsa device list: no soundcards found' |
| 17:06.45 | jadams | nope, no sound |
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| 17:06.55 | torpor | i see that too now .. |
| 17:07.04 | torpor | just did ipkg upgrade as well. |
| 17:07.08 | torpor | and no sound. |
| 17:07.19 | jadams | hrm |
| 17:07.26 | jadams | what's uname -a for you? |
| 17:07.38 | jadams | I'm: fic-gta01 2.6.21.6-moko10 |
| 17:07.40 | jadams | when it should be 11 |
| 17:07.42 | mickeyl | no soundscards found on boot is no problem |
| 17:07.45 | jadams | I thought |
| 17:07.49 | mickeyl | modules are loaded later on |
| 17:08.02 | torpor | but i hav eno sound |
| 17:08.04 | jadams | mickeyl: I have no sound |
| 17:08.34 | mickeyl | you probably need 2.6.12.6-moko11 then |
| 17:09.16 | jadams | I just flashed this onto the device though: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin |
| 17:09.29 | jadams | so why is uname returning moko10? |
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| 17:11.36 | mickeyl | urgs |
| 17:11.50 | mickeyl | because someone broke defconfig |
| 17:11.57 | mickeyl | let me fix that, and then i need to run |
| 17:12.02 | jadams | alright, thanks |
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| 17:14.02 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Flashing_openmoko/Known_good_rootfs_flash_dfu-util_output]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_East_Midlands]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[Flashing_openmoko/Known_good_kernel_flash_dfu-util_output]] [[Flashing_openmoko/Known_good_kernel_flash_U-Boot_output]] and other changes |
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| 17:23.27 | jadams | mickeyl: so once defconfig is fixed, what's the next step to getting my neo running the right kernel? |
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| 17:23.59 | mickeyl | jadams: use ipkg update && ipkg upgrade again to update the modules |
| 17:24.08 | mickeyl | then grab the new 2.6.21.6 uimage and DFU it |
| 17:24.17 | mickeyl | ok, it's on the buildhost now |
| 17:24.21 | mickeyl | good luck |
| 17:24.23 | mickeyl | need to run now |
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| 17:25.12 | ccube | hi |
| 17:25.20 | ccube | some developers here who can help me? |
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| 17:26.13 | jadams | great |
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| 17:27.33 | jadams | same exact filename for the new uImage? |
| 17:27.35 | jadams | oh, he's gone |
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| 17:30.38 | torpor | jadams: it'll show up when its done building i think.. |
| 17:32.18 | hhf | jadams: uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r2-fic-gta01.bin seems to be the most recent stuff |
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| 17:35.44 | torpor | how do i restart the "Today" app (or whatever it is) without rebooting? |
| 17:36.26 | hhf | torpor: I'd restart X |
| 17:36.49 | torpor | ok |
| 17:37.32 | ccube | is there a tutorial for what i need to develop on the official build? |
| 17:39.18 | ccube | not much goin on here right now... :P |
| 17:39.24 | torpor | its a bit queit |
| 17:39.24 | hhf | hmm, that latest .6 kernel does no longer support BT |
| 17:39.44 | torpor | ccube: there is an application quick-start on the moko wiki .. |
| 17:40.46 | ccube | my problem is that im doing several times what is explained here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 17:40.58 | ccube | but always my build crashes |
| 17:41.12 | ccube | i dont know what im doing wrong... |
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| 17:41.47 | ccube | how do i find the quick start? |
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| 17:49.04 | torpor | ccube: its not so easy. |
| 17:49.07 | torpor | what is wrong with your build? |
| 17:49.08 | ccube | hehe |
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| 17:49.57 | ccube | torpor: hmm |
| 17:50.09 | ccube | torpor: do i have a logfile somewhere? |
| 17:52.40 | torpor | yes |
| 17:53.01 | torpor | it'll be off your openmoko/build/tmp/ dir somewhere .. but you should see whats failing and know to look there. |
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| 18:01.01 | philip_ | hey |
| 18:01.08 | philip_ | how do i get a complete build tree? |
| 18:02.09 | ixs | philip_: wget http://www.rwhitby.net/files/openmoko/Makefile && make |
| 18:02.47 | philip_ | this will download oe upstream + patches and build them? |
| 18:04.00 | ixs | philip_: this will download everything needed for the current software, including oe + patches, bitbake, gcc etc. and spit out flashable images. as an added benefit, it'll leave you with a complete build tree. |
| 18:08.40 | ixs | yay. for what's it worth: 2007.1 => working gsm and dead audio || 2007.02 => dead gsm and working audio... |
| 18:08.46 | philip_ | i wonder why this isn't documented as such |
| 18:09.55 | Shoragan | mickeyl, i get unable to open an initial console, too |
| 18:10.17 | Shoragan | but after some waiting it continues |
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| 18:14.34 | torpor | philip_: it takes quite a while to complete a build from scratch .. |
| 18:15.06 | torpor | took me 6 days to complete. |
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| 18:17.57 | Shoragan | what machine do you have? |
| 18:18.18 | Tv | it's also about your bandwidth |
| 18:18.20 | Tv | it downloads a lot |
| 18:18.33 | Tv | i usually run out of disk space instead ;) |
| 18:19.43 | philip_ | torpor: i guess i'll set up a distcc at the lab |
| 18:20.00 | philip_ | so we can use the dualcore machine with the 4 gigs ram ;) |
| 18:21.11 | ccube | hehe |
| 18:21.12 | ccube | nice one |
| 18:26.08 | torpor | philip_: we can't use distcc to do this, we have to use ieccc |
| 18:26.23 | torpor | but its a good idea anyway |
| 18:26.32 | torpor | i'll share my build tree with you .. |
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| 18:38.55 | philip_ | did anyone here succeeded in setting up a gprs connection? |
| 18:40.16 | philip_ | how? |
| 18:40.21 | philip_ | just normale ppd? |
| 18:40.24 | philip_ | * |
| 18:40.26 | SpeedEvil | basically. |
| 18:40.29 | philip_ | *pppd |
| 18:40.34 | philip_ | great |
| 18:40.39 | SpeedEvil | I followed the 'manually using GPRS' instructions in the wiki |
| 18:40.49 | philip_ | sweet |
| 18:40.57 | philip_ | thanks |
| 18:41.19 | SpeedEvil | I had free GPRS for 10 days - so I was playing with it. |
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| 18:50.04 | SpeedEvil | Now it's only free after the first 136K at 7p per K :/ |
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| 19:00.30 | jroman | hi all |
| 19:02.27 | jroman | I've got a problem with mokomakefile -> package quilt-native-0.45-r1 |
| 19:02.49 | jroman | the makefile tries -> /usr/bin/install -c -d /usr/local/bin |
| 19:03.07 | jroman | and obviusly -> cannot create regular file `/usr/local/bin/quilt': Permission denied |
| 19:03.52 | jroman | may anybody help me? |
| 19:04.16 | SpeedEvil | It tends to be quite quiet at this sort of time on a saturday. |
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| 19:05.33 | jroman | oh |
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| 19:14.17 | jroman | make clean-package-quilt doesn't fix it |
| 19:14.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Hhf423]] [[OpenMoko_supported_hardware]] [[Talk:MacOS_X]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 19:17.27 | hhf | I wonder why one has to stop x, restart gsmd and start x to make it work. whats the problem with properly starting gsmd before x? |
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| 19:22.29 | sagacis | hhf: put '/etc/init.d/gsmd stop; /etc/init.d/gsmd start' in your /etc/matchbox/session file before 'openmoko-dialer &' |
| 19:23.01 | sagacis | jroman: can you 'sudo apt-get install quilt' to fix it? |
| 19:25.08 | hhf | sagacis: good point. you know why thats not there by default? |
| 19:25.33 | jroman | sagacis: yum install quilt didn't help me :-( |
| 19:29.00 | jroman | thaks a lot (i have to go) |
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| 19:40.34 | cesarb | Is it normal to get "+CME ERROR: 3" as the answer to AT+COPS=? when you don't have a SIM inserted? |
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| 19:47.36 | nox-Hand | !counter |
| 19:47.39 | nox-Hand | counter |
| 19:47.39 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic) (1803;252) |
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| 19:51.39 | keithp | anyone able to help figure out why my V4 build box doesn't power on anymore? |
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| 19:51.45 | keithp | Battery reads 3.0V unloaded |
| 19:52.00 | keithp | but, even many hours of USB connection doesn't appear to help |
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| 19:55.49 | hhf | keithp: hooked up to a linux box or what? |
| 19:56.40 | hhf | sagacis: that works excellent, now it asks me for the PIN every time |
| 19:57.08 | keithp | hhf: yes |
| 19:57.18 | keithp | hhf: would an AC charger work better? |
| 19:57.28 | hhf | keithp: no, definitely not |
| 19:57.38 | keithp | (yes, I know, USB specs, and all, but seriously, 'just working' would be a huge feature at this point) |
| 19:57.48 | hhf | keithp: I fully agree |
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| 20:09.54 | SpeedEvil | keithphttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Charging - keithp |
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| 20:12.16 | hhf | :-) |
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| 20:12.23 | keithp | SpeedEvil: yeah, tried that; still no booty |
| 20:12.27 | SpeedEvil | Oh - and :) |
| 20:12.28 | hhf | the PIN in a haystack! |
| 20:12.39 | keithp | I'll try again... |
| 20:12.54 | SpeedEvil | Apparantly the correct procedure is: |
| 20:12.54 | keithp | I did manage to get a new software stack built, and would like to give it a try... |
| 20:13.01 | hhf | keith did you try setting the phone to autofast in uboot? |
| 20:13.06 | woglinde | keithp hm yes try to remove the battery for 10 seconds |
| 20:13.14 | SpeedEvil | Take battery out, mow lawn, put battery back in. |
| 20:13.17 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:13.17 | keithp | hhf: it isn't powering up to that point |
| 20:13.26 | keithp | SpeedEvil: ah, remove for a *long* time. |
| 20:13.31 | hhf | hahaha. SpeedEvil that worked for me! |
| 20:13.34 | SpeedEvil | Well - some have had success. |
| 20:13.49 | SpeedEvil | For me - 10s has always worked. |
| 20:14.01 | keithp | How can I tell if it is working? |
| 20:14.06 | keithp | Will I see anything on the host USB? |
| 20:14.09 | SpeedEvil | keithp: no. |
| 20:14.15 | keithp | cool |
| 20:14.22 | SpeedEvil | keithp: it only shows up on USB when the processor is booted. |
| 20:14.32 | hhf | keith can you power up the phone at the moment? |
| 20:14.33 | SpeedEvil | Unless you have a voltmeter. |
| 20:14.43 | keithp | yeah, have voltmeter |
| 20:14.52 | SpeedEvil | You can make a breakout USB cable then. |
| 20:14.52 | keithp | hhf: no, it's completely dead |
| 20:14.59 | keithp | ah, then measure current |
| 20:15.06 | SpeedEvil | Take a USB extension cable you don't care for. |
| 20:15.13 | keithp | oh, I've got plenty of USB cables :-) |
| 20:15.17 | SpeedEvil | Chop it open, and cut the red wire. |
| 20:15.34 | mjr | NO, NOT THE BLUE WIRE! |
| 20:15.48 | mjr | *cough* 'scuse me |
| 20:15.52 | SpeedEvil | Insert multimeter on a range which can measure 500mA into the red wire, and you can see what it's drawing. |
| 20:16.01 | hhf | keithp: ah, ok. then pull out battery, wait for some minutes (seconds worked for me once, but not today) and then plug in the battery and then hook up to linux usb and then wait for 30/60mins |
| 20:16.03 | SpeedEvil | Which can be handy. |
| 20:16.13 | hhf | keithp: only then try to boot |
| 20:16.21 | SpeedEvil | Pretty much. Though any charger source will work. |
| 20:17.16 | SpeedEvil | keithp: you could report the voltage on the battery - you just measure between the two outside terminals. |
| 20:20.05 | keithp | SpeedEvil: hmm. plugging in to USB doesn't appear to change the voltage |
| 20:20.14 | keithp | that seems bad |
| 20:21.01 | woglinde | hhf? |
| 20:21.04 | hhf | wantwantwant, doh |
| 20:21.09 | SpeedEvil | Shouldn't change the voltage |
| 20:21.10 | woglinde | hhf with gui or what? |
| 20:21.19 | hhf | woglinde: no, at all |
| 20:21.21 | woglinde | otherwise bt should work from console |
| 20:21.26 | SpeedEvil | or rather - what are you measuring keithp. |
| 20:21.38 | SpeedEvil | hhf423: you do know that BT is not enabled on boot? |
| 20:21.40 | hhf423 | woglinde: I can start BT ok |
| 20:21.41 | jadams | I couldn't get incoming calls earlier...dialing out worked, but never rang on incomin |
| 20:21.49 | SpeedEvil | and you've got to echo 1 to the appropriate file? |
| 20:22.49 | hhf423 | SpeedEvil, woglinde I do the echo stuff and then hciconfig reports one interface |
| 20:23.10 | hhf423 | SpeedEvil, woglinde I can then do hcitool scan ok and see other devices |
| 20:23.24 | hhf423 | SpeedEvil, woglinde but I can not create connections to them |
| 20:23.47 | hhf423 | jadams: did it vibrate on incoming? |
| 20:23.52 | jadams | hhf423: nothing |
| 20:23.53 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 20:24.00 | jadams | no events showing up from gsmd, nothing |
| 20:24.10 | jadams | (I do xserver-nodm restart so I can watch stuff on the hsot) |
| 20:24.23 | hhf423 | jadams: did you put '/etc/init.d/gsmd stop; /etc/init.d/gsmd start' in your /etc/matchbox/session file before 'openmoko-dialer &' ? |
| 20:24.35 | jadams | hhf423: yeah, and dialing out works |
| 20:24.54 | jadams | right now I can't mess with it though |
| 20:24.57 | jadams | SIM's in a real phone |
| 20:25.09 | hhf423 | hmm, funny, dial in also works for me, see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#Snapshot_20070825_with_2.6.21.6-moko11-r2 |
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| 20:25.12 | jadams | I *could* dial out a seemingly arbitrary number of times (earlier it would only work once) |
| 20:25.34 | hhf423 | SpeedEvil, woglinde any idea? |
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| 20:25.44 | hhf423 | about the BT? |
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| 20:26.23 | cindy | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.41 | jadams | is address book -> dialer working? Wasn't on mine, but that page says it is, so... |
| 20:26.45 | keithp | SpeedEvil: just measuring the voltage on the battery |
| 20:26.51 | jadams | cindy: you aren't alone then :) |
| 20:27.04 | SpeedEvil | keithp: while the battery is in circuit? What's the voltage? |
| 20:27.08 | keithp | SpeedEvil: usually, applying a charge to a battery increases the measured voltage |
| 20:27.12 | hhf423 | I did not try address book |
| 20:27.19 | keithp | SpeedEvil: with the battery in the circuit, I measure 3.39V |
| 20:27.53 | keithp | with no battery, it's 2.8V |
| 20:28.06 | SpeedEvil | It may take some time to qualify the battery at a very very low current |
| 20:28.09 | keithp | with USB disconnected, it's .5V |
| 20:28.21 | SpeedEvil | then it will start moderately rapidly charging. (40mA) |
| 20:28.34 | keithp | I'll wait for it to hit 0V without USB before connecting battery and USB again |
| 20:29.13 | jadams | cesarb: what's a Claro Chip? |
| 20:29.28 | cesarb | jadams: SIM |
| 20:29.55 | hhf423 | ah, dialing from contacts does not work |
| 20:30.30 | jadams | hhf423: glad to hear *that* wasn't unique to me too |
| 20:30.46 | jadams | to be honest, the software's farther than I'd expected it to be by the time I got my phone |
| 20:30.53 | jadams | but this may be due to my phone taking so long to come :) |
| 20:32.43 | hhf423 | jadams: what I find promising is how fast it is progressing. and of course that compiling other packages like mysql is straightforward :-) |
| 20:33.07 | jadams | hhf423: I still haven't compiled any new packages into it myself, but I'm pushing for that shortly |
| 20:33.21 | jadams | I just need to get a decent ruby dev env set up on it |
| 20:33.24 | hhf423 | I'd really like BT to work as USB networking does not work with my windows box, but BT networking would |
| 20:33.32 | jadams | bluetooth fabric keyboard, vim + vim-ruby, and irb should do it |
| 20:33.52 | jadams | yeah, I want BT for the keyboard |
| 20:34.15 | hhf423 | jadams: yes, that the other good thing, that people using "high level" languages like ruby can also start coding |
| 20:34.31 | jadams | yeah. I might have to pick up some python again just for pygtk |
| 20:34.57 | jadams | I always just used python for tying into windows COM+ stuff |
| 20:36.26 | cesarb | hm, the automatically started gsmd was in a loop sending "AT+COPS=0", and the one I just started is stuck at "ATZ" |
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| 20:39.33 | hhf423 | does anyone know what the status of the GPS is? |
| 20:39.34 | cesarb | still stuck on ATZ |
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| 20:41.58 | gcb77 | hhf423: last e-mail I saw on it they're in the final stages of an agreement with Global Locate |
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| 20:42.05 | jadams | hhf423: how's the open source hammerhead stuff coming? |
| 20:42.35 | cesarb | How long shold the calypso take to answer to the gsmd initial ATZ? |
| 20:42.44 | hhf423 | gcb77: I also saw that, but that was a while ago, was it not? |
| 20:42.56 | hhf423 | cesarb: very fast |
| 20:43.06 | hhf423 | jadams: not seen anything |
| 20:44.26 | cesarb | hhf423: then, it's stuck :( |
| 20:44.55 | cesarb | hhf423: either the modem is misbehaving, or gsmd is misbehaving... |
| 20:45.59 | gcb77 | hhf423: aobut a 3 days ago |
| 20:46.03 | ljp | probably gsmd |
| 20:46.56 | keithp | SpeedEvil: well, the battery is up to 3.46V now; I guess it's doing something |
| 20:47.10 | keithp | seems like a *very* slow charge though |
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| 20:48.40 | gcb77 | hhf423: There's another message from Sean saying almost the same thing from Jul 29 :( |
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| 20:49.23 | hhf423 | gcb77: well, Sean is always optimistic, no? :-) |
| 20:50.39 | mellon | So is the dialer in 2007.2 after updating expected to work? |
| 20:51.54 | cesarb | I'm getting "Connected.", "AT", "OK", blank line, "OK", "AAT-Command Interpreter ready", and it seems to ignore me |
| 20:52.25 | cesarb | (I first got stuck on "Connected.", but then powered off/on the modem) |
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| 20:53.43 | cesarb | And now gsmd seems to have waken up... seems like you have to try power off/on the modem a lot of times before it behaves |
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| 20:55.44 | hhf423 | cesarb: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:55.53 | cesarb | hhf423: check if the modem, like, works |
| 20:56.06 | hhf423 | ah |
| 20:56.22 | cesarb | hhf423: I just tried to register (made gsmd send "AT+COPS=0"), got back "+CME ERROR: 3" |
| 20:56.33 | hhf423 | ah, ok |
| 20:56.44 | cesarb | AT+COPS=? also gives +CME ERROR: 3 |
| 20:56.58 | cesarb | In fact, looks like every single thing I try to do will give me +CME ERROR: 3 |
| 20:57.12 | hhf423 | thats a bit funny |
| 20:57.20 | jadams | not ha ha funny |
| 20:57.22 | hhf423 | you have a SIM in there, no? :-) |
| 20:57.32 | cesarb | hhf423: yep |
| 20:57.44 | cesarb | hhf423: but I just tried "n" (aka AT+CNUM) |
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| 20:57.56 | cesarb | hhf423: and it gave me "+CME ERROR: 10" |
| 20:58.12 | cesarb | hhf423: which is "SIM? What SIM?" |
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| 20:58.27 | serenity | hi |
| 20:59.20 | cesarb | which would also explain the misbehaving modem... it might get held in reset if the SIM is misinserted |
| 21:00.09 | hhf423 | maybe, could be |
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| 21:01.28 | serenity | are there any news on the "my mouse doesn't work within qemu" front? |
| 21:02.03 | Vegar | serenity: could it be because the touchscreen isn't configured? |
| 21:02.32 | serenity | i don't know |
| 21:02.48 | Vegar | does it only affect 2007.2? |
| 21:03.14 | serenity | Vegar, i started with 2007.2 |
| 21:03.19 | serenity | so, can't say |
| 21:03.19 | Vegar | ah |
| 21:03.36 | Vegar | well, apparently the clicks are rotated 90 degrees |
| 21:04.05 | Vegar | so if you manage to get to the menu and launch the terminal, you can run ts_calibrate |
| 21:04.09 | Vegar | or whatever the command was |
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| 21:05.07 | serenity | will try, thanks |
| 21:05.13 | emre_ | Hi folks, I'm following the openembedded manual but can't correctly compile a program. I've created this directory structure, and typed bitbake -b local-packages/myhelloworld_0.1.bb but it gave an error. directory structure is: |
| 21:05.16 | emre_ | local-packages/ |
| 21:05.16 | emre_ | local-packages/myhelloworld_0.1.bb |
| 21:05.16 | emre_ | local-packages/myhelloworld |
| 21:05.16 | emre_ | local-packages/myhelloworld/files |
| 21:05.16 | emre_ | local-packages/myhelloworld/files/README.txt |
| 21:05.18 | emre_ | local-packages/myhelloworld/files/myhelloworld.c |
| 21:05.20 | cesarb | great, stuck in a loop sending "AT+COPS=0" |
| 21:05.22 | emre_ | and the error is: |
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| 21:05.31 | emre_ | cp: cannot stat `/home/emre/moko/openembedded/local-packages/myhelloworld/myhelloworld.c': No such file or directory |
| 21:06.02 | emre_ | any ideas? |
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| 21:07.09 | cesarb | and restarting gsmd gets it stuck on ATZ... again |
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| 21:08.38 | serenity | is it realistic to get the neo released in Oktober? |
| 21:11.28 | Shoragan | emre_ it searches for your .c in the wrong directory |
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| 21:12.16 | emre_ | shoragan: obviously.. how to fix it? |
| 21:12.57 | Shoragan | perhaps something work in the SRC_URI of your bb file? |
| 21:13.20 | emre_ | it's just file://myhelloworld.c |
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| 21:13.36 | emre_ | i assumed it is directly looking for the files directory.. |
| 21:13.43 | torpor | go to your build dir |
| 21:13.43 | mellon | serenity:no, absolutely not. :') |
| 21:13.44 | torpor | build from there |
| 21:14.13 | torpor | i do bitbake -b ../../hak/myapp.bb and it works fine. but if i'm not in the build dir, it doesn't. |
| 21:14.26 | serenity | when i browse the wiki, i see so many open tasks. Will take some longer. |
| 21:14.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[User:Mmontour/HHNotes]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] [[User:Hhf423]] |
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| 21:20.59 | cesarb | Powering off the modem for a while, powering it on by hand, waiting some seconds, and then restarting gsmd made it recognize the modem again... which is still returning "+CME ERROR: 10" to AT+CNUM |
| 21:23.04 | emre_ | torpor: I'm getting the same error, with build directory do you mean ${OMDIR}/build? |
| 21:23.14 | cesarb | WOAH |
| 21:23.15 | emre_ | torpor: I set up the environment with mokomakefile. |
| 21:23.45 | cesarb | making libgsm-tool shell ask gsmd to "power off" then "power on" resulted in a flurry of unsolicted responses |
| 21:23.57 | jadams | eww |
| 21:24.03 | cesarb | including cell ID and CSQ! |
| 21:24.06 | jadams | just got a winxp box up for the first time I've run it in eight months |
| 21:24.09 | jadams | *shudder* |
| 21:24.34 | cesarb | 0x28D4 |
| 21:24.39 | cesarb | oops wrong window |
| 21:25.41 | cesarb | grr the "alive timer" dumped me out |
| 21:28.22 | cesarb | is a CSQ of 26 good? |
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| 21:30.30 | serenity | torpor, ts_calibrate worked, thanks again |
| 21:31.30 | torpor | serenity: glad to hear it |
| 21:31.54 | torpor | emre_: not sure what the problem could be .. try running bitbake with -v -D and see if you spot something obvious .. |
| 21:33.22 | torpor | okay goodnight everyone |
| 21:33.31 | cesarb | Cool, I can see a change of the signal quality just by putting my hand covering the antenna |
| 21:33.32 | torpor | thanks again for all the help .. was a good day for me today. i got somewhere. |
| 21:34.16 | dcordes | cesarb: neo gps ant? |
| 21:34.48 | cesarb | dcordes: yep |
| 21:35.24 | cesarb | dcordes: -61 dBm without my hand over it, -65 dBm with my hand covering it (on the desk, so it isn't covering all) |
| 21:35.43 | dcordes | cesarb: I noticed similar effects with my old usb gps mouse |
| 21:36.01 | dcordes | gps signal with "normal" devices seems week |
| 21:36.22 | dcordes | s/week/weak |
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| 21:37.02 | dcordes | I have a slight problem with my UI - I don't get the keyboard when it is neccessary to insert text |
| 21:37.03 | cesarb | dcordes: ah, sorry gsm not gps |
| 21:37.12 | dcordes | oh ok ^^ |
| 21:37.27 | cesarb | Hm, is the dialer supposed to work? |
| 21:37.43 | cesarb | I dialed my home phone number, but gsmd's log says it sent the command "AT" |
| 21:37.48 | cesarb | Which of course dials nothing |
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| 21:39.29 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:39.48 | dcordes | hello rwhitby |
| 21:40.04 | dcordes | which ipk provides the on screen keyboard? |
| 21:42.36 | cesarb | Managed to make the phone answer... And told the dialer (which doesn't dial) to dial at the same time, to setup the audio routing... I can hear the input from the neo's mic, but there seems to be no audio output on the neo |
| 21:44.16 | ixs | dcordes: onscreen keyboard is not available in .2 right now |
| 21:46.46 | cesarb | And now for the _very_ interesting results of +COPS=?: the three carriers which are on 900/1800 are there. The fourth carrier (the one which is also a CDMA carrier), the one which is on 850/1900 (and which my Razr easily finds), is not there |
| 21:47.18 | cesarb | Some googling on the internet wednesday told me that the missing carrier is using precisely GSM850... |
| 21:48.24 | cesarb | Which is another data point to the fact that GSM850 does not work, at all, with GTA01BV4, making it in practice a triband |
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| 22:09.56 | serenity | re |
| 22:10.06 | frma | Anyone got gsmd to startup properly on boot ? |
| 22:10.19 | serenity | on my host system i have an internet connection, how to get this working in qemu? |
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| 22:10.41 | ixs | frma: is your gsmd simply not running or is it running but does not work? |
| 22:12.06 | frma | serentify: Start qemu with -net user and run dhcp from your target image. qemu has a built in dhcp server. After that you can connect anything from your target, in order to connect to the target you need to use the redir option of qemu |
| 22:12.31 | cesarb | frma: mine does start up properly on boot, but stays stuck in a loop doing a +COPS thing |
| 22:13.10 | cesarb | frma: I managed to make it work after a turn off modem/turn on modem/register by hand dance, but I don't know which of the several steps I did were necessary |
| 22:13.12 | Elrond | cesarb - BTW: You asked for me a few days ago? |
| 22:13.15 | frma | ixs: When it starts at boot it doesn't get any response from the modem, if i restart it (with /etc/init.d/gsmd stop/start) it works. |
| 22:13.19 | cesarb | Elrond: yes |
| 22:13.38 | Elrond | cesarb - So what's up? |
| 22:13.53 | cesarb | Elrond: if you want someone in the south hemisphere (and west of the greenwhich line) to test sphyrna, I can help now... |
| 22:14.00 | cesarb | Elrond: mine arrived tuesday |
| 22:14.08 | ixs | frma: fun. |
| 22:14.12 | Elrond | cesarb - Ahh, great. :-)) |
| 22:14.25 | ixs | frma: I'm not even getting a response by restarting. Since .2 the gsm modem here seems dead. |
| 22:14.42 | Elrond | cesarb - I'm currently somewhat distracted from sphyrna... But I hope to get back soon. |
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| 22:15.21 | Elrond | cesarb - If you want to help, you could file a bug and request pyserial for 2007.2. You'll need it. :-) |
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| 22:16.11 | frma | ixs: Strange, I built my image from the lastest sources (a couple of hours ago) |
| 22:16.35 | cesarb | ixs: try killing gsmd, turning it off via /sys, waiting several minutes, turning it on via /sys, waiting several seconds, trying to use it manually with cu, failing because even if it says something it doesn't answer you, restarting gsmd, and using libgsmd-tool to power if off, power it on, and register |
| 22:16.55 | cesarb | ixs: that's more or less what I did, but I don't know which parts of it are really needed |
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| 22:17.32 | cesarb | Elrond: according to wikipedia, I should be around 22°53′00″S, 43°06′13″W |
| 22:18.01 | frma | Anyone heard anything about the gps-software licensing problem ? It sould be cool to be able to start playing with the gps. |
| 22:19.03 | ixs | cesarb: I did kill gsmd, powercycled via /sys/, tried manually et all. |
| 22:19.12 | ixs | no such luck, won't answer to AT requests. |
| 22:19.14 | frma | ixs: Have you ever had any response from your gsm modem ? |
| 22:19.23 | Elrond | frma - In a few weeks, sphyrna will hopefully be able to at least list the visible satelittes PRNs. ;o) |
| 22:19.38 | ixs | frma: installing 2007.1 I have a working gsmd, upgrading to 2007.2 kills it. reproducably. |
| 22:21.26 | cesarb | GSM : Tri-band Monopole Antenna |
| 22:21.29 | cesarb | tri-band? |
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| 22:21.50 | frma | Elrond: nice, when can I get actual positions out of it ? (I don't know what PRNs is ?) |
| 22:21.57 | frma | ixs: odd ! |
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| 22:22.38 | ixs | frma: bug #256 |
| 22:23.40 | jadams | anyone know a good linux package to see some metric of a wireless network's strength? I need to reposition my router for better coverage in my room |
| 22:24.04 | Aria | iwlist scanning and iwconfig will both show the values |
| 22:24.26 | Elrond | frma - position: months, many months. |
| 22:25.30 | technil | ixs / frma : read on bug 256, i thought mine didn't work but it did. try what I did (Andrew B. Crawford) |
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| 22:26.28 | technil | ixs / frma : with August 2007.2 snapshot I get the following: |
| 22:26.31 | jadams | awesome, thanks for that Aria |
| 22:26.45 | Aria | jadams: sure thing! |
| 22:26.52 | technil | root@fic-gta01:~$ lsof | grep gsmd |
| 22:26.53 | technil | openmoko- 1187 root mem REG 31,4 12348 1233 /usr/lib/libmokogsmd2.so.0.0.1 |
| 22:26.53 | technil | openmoko- 1187 root mem REG 31,4 10484 1179 /usr/lib/libgsmd.so.0.0.0 |
| 22:26.53 | technil | matchbox- 1189 root mem REG 31,4 12348 1233 /usr/lib/libmokogsmd2.so.0.0.1 |
| 22:26.53 | technil | matchbox- 1189 root mem REG 31,4 10484 1179 /usr/lib/libgsmd.so.0.0.0 |
| 22:26.56 | jadams | I got my router moved enough to get my newly reconnected winxp desktop in my room on the network |
| 22:27.15 | frma | technil: Yeah, with cu and stty it always works for me with the latest image. But gsmd mysteriously fails when startd at boot. |
| 22:27.42 | Aria | alter the gsmd boot script to strace it to a log file? |
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| 22:29.11 | frma | I always remove signal(SIGSEGV, sig_handler); from gsmd.c that way I can at least se if gsmd has crashed :I |
| 22:29.37 | frma | Aria: good idea, tnx ! |
| 22:30.30 | ixs | technil: your problem is something completely different. |
| 22:30.46 | ixs | as pH5 said, your modem works. |
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| 22:36.50 | keithp | I'm running uboot 1.2.0-moko8_r5_..._9_1910 (May 5 2007 - 04:22:55). Would updating it avoid the 'shutdown when idle' trouble? |
| 22:36.57 | keithp | Or is updating to scary to contemplate? |
| 22:38.16 | cesarb | keithp: isn't setting a value on the environment enough? |
| 22:38.58 | keithp | cesarb: not that I could find |
| 22:39.41 | Elrond | keithp - What "shutdown when idle" trouble? |
| 22:40.10 | Elrond | keithp - What model do you have there? Bv03? Bv04-from-taiwan? |
| 22:40.13 | keithp | Elrond: uboot puts the phone to sleep when I don't touch it |
| 22:40.19 | keithp | BV04 from taiwan, I think |
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| 22:40.38 | keithp | it's from 2007 04 20 |
| 22:40.55 | keithp | at least it seems to not do that when downloading the rootfs |
| 22:40.58 | cesarb | keithp: first thing I did with mine was to dfu upload a backup. second thing I did with mine was to dfu download the 2007.2 kernel, to check that dfu download worked. third thing I did with mine was to flash uboot to the 2007.2 snapshot release ;-) (but then, I do have the unbricker board) |
| 22:40.58 | Elrond | keithp - Hmm. u-boot normally boots the kernel, if one leaves it alone too long. |
| 22:41.24 | keithp | Elrond: heh. I touched the aux key once |
| 22:41.31 | Shoragan | keithp, i'm using moko9 and it switches off too after some time in the bootloader |
| 22:42.26 | Shoragan | i've got to try the bootloader from the snapshot anyway |
| 22:42.29 | keithp | Shoragan: sounds like I shouldn't bother trying an upgrade then; it's only slightly annoying |
| 22:42.41 | Elrond | I have 2040. |
| 22:43.31 | cesarb | Shoragan: AFAIK, the timeout is configurable |
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| 22:44.32 | ixs | Shoragan: updating to the snapshot does not prevent the switch off when idle. |
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| 22:47.37 | asu | hi |
| 22:48.07 | asu | i am having troubles building uicmoc4-native on a non 64 Bit system |
| 22:48.40 | Shoragan | keithp, if you have the device running, you could just flash kernel&rootfs |
| 22:48.54 | asu | it does not seem to pick up any functions from the libaries in lib |
| 22:48.56 | asu | http://pastebin.com/m444bf8df |
| 22:50.57 | asu | the needed symbols are in QtNetwork but it avoids picking them up? |
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| 22:51.52 | keithp | Shoragan: working; but the phone sleeps if idle -- the Flashing_openmoko page mentions a bug in uboot |
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| 22:52.46 | Shoragan | after flashing a kernel u-boot doesn't switch itself off |
| 22:53.23 | ixs | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko says Note: Some devices have been reported to turn off after a short period of inactivity while on the uboot menu. To avoid this, simply press the AUX button every 30 seconds or so. |
| 22:53.25 | Shoragan | the snapshot should just disable the screen when idle (and not suspend) |
| 22:54.05 | ixs | Shoragan: and flashing the kernel leads to uboot powering off the phone. flashing uboot or rootfs doesn't. just for the record. |
| 22:54.19 | Shoragan | ixs, no |
| 22:54.40 | Shoragan | atleast not with the snapshot-uboot |
| 22:54.48 | ixs | Shoragan: which snapshot uboot? todays does. |
| 22:55.03 | Shoragan | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/ |
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| 22:55.51 | ixs | Shoragan: nope, that one has exactly the described problem I described. seems we have different phones. |
| 22:56.06 | mayfair1 | anyone localizing? |
| 22:56.07 | mickey|froscon | ~seen abraxa |
| 22:56.08 | apt | mickey|froscon: i haven't seen 'abraxa' |
| 22:56.08 | aloril | mayfair1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:56.15 | mickey|froscon | ~seen abraxa_ |
| 22:56.16 | apt | abraxa_ <n=abraxa@pD95FE348.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 16d 1h 17m 57s ago, saying: 'Bummer.'. |
| 22:56.45 | mayfair1 | having trouble finding where to set the global locale |
| 22:57.14 | Shoragan | ah, i've tried using dfu-util with -R and it seem that the timeout is only active in 'USB runtime' mode and not 'DFU' mode |
| 22:57.56 | Shoragan | i've got a gta01b_v4 built on 2007-04-20 |
| 23:03.44 | asu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:14.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Manually_using_Bluetooth]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] |
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| 23:35.27 | bmidgley | is there an X-Windows trick so I can see my neo's screen on my laptop? |
| 23:35.35 | bmidgley | I'd like to show people what it's doing in a presentation |
| 23:35.50 | jadams | bmidgley: umm, vnc? |
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| 23:37.09 | rwhitby | bmidgley: I was going to look into how to run Xvnc on the neo too |
| 23:37.25 | ixs | bmidgley: ask harald. he did a presentation in taiwan copying the framebuffer from the neo onto his notebook |
| 23:37.53 | bmidgley | vnc isn't perfect I will ask him what he did |
| 23:38.27 | mickey|froscon | fbgrab[-native] |
| 23:38.49 | miip | bmidgley: try x11 forwarding |
| 23:38.51 | mickey|froscon | but it slows down your Neo to a crawl since all bandwidth gets eaten up by transferring images to the server |
| 23:39.08 | mickey|froscon | anyways, nice tool |
| 23:39.17 | jadams | bmidgley: maybe just export the display to your desktop machine? |
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| 23:39.26 | jadams | things like calculator, etc. are easy to show off that way |
| 23:39.57 | DukeOfURL | what changed in uboot? |
| 23:40.03 | bmidgley | I'll play around with a few things... it really depends what I'll show off |
| 23:40.06 | cindy | " ssh -l root -X -v 192.168.0.202 " will redirect x apps to your desktop |
| 23:40.24 | Aria | DukeOfURL: A change to clear the partition first, so that you can write smaller images than what were there before |
| 23:40.35 | ixs | blindcoder: if you want the complete screen on your notebook, try x2vnc. |
| 23:40.36 | DukeOfURL | ok |
| 23:40.50 | ixs | sorry, x11vnc |
| 23:40.55 | ixs | x2vnc is somethign else. :D |
| 23:40.59 | ixs | http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
| 23:41.22 | ixs | it will screengrab the whole screen on your real x11 server and just offer it via vnc. |
| 23:41.38 | ixs | not a new x11 display like the normal vnc server does. |
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| 23:48.00 | frma71 | I solved it, after putting a |
| 23:48.26 | frma71 | ... 'stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts in /etc/init.d/gsmd I can boot and dial/receive calls ! |
| 23:51.24 | jadams | you guys couldn't dial either? |
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| 23:52.08 | frma71 | The stty should be right after turning the modem on, before "# Start daemons." |
| 23:52.22 | frma71 | jadams: Only if I manually restarted gsmd |
| 23:52.52 | jadams | frma71: there's something on the wiki where sagacis gave a line to put in /etc/matchbox/session to get it working on boot, too |
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| 23:53.01 | jadams | this is prol ymore correct |
| 23:53.15 | frma71 | jadams: Haven |
| 23:53.27 | jadams | ? |
| 23:53.59 | frma71 | jadams: ooops, Havn't seen it, but at first i had /etc/init.d/gsmd stop followed by /etc/init.d/gsmd stop in /etc/matchbox/session... but it's kind of uggly :I |
| 23:54.13 | rwhitby | 'stty -F ${GSM_DEV} crtscts' unfortunately doesn't fix it here :-( |
| 23:58.09 | frma71 | rwhitby: Does the start/stop tip work for you ? |
| 23:58.09 | aloril | frma71: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
