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| 00:03.01 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 00:05.50 | cesarb | rwhitby: hi |
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| 00:11.30 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r149 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Run dfu-util using sudo |
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| 00:20.47 | Writchie | rwhitby: How did you centos5 build go? |
| 00:20.57 | Writchie | s/you/your/ |
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| 00:25.18 | rwhitby | Writchie: gtk+ fails to build - compilation error |
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| 00:29.53 | BryceLeo | so a guy i work with comes in says he was out sick and is on "valtrex" |
| 00:30.02 | BryceLeo | that was yesterday |
| 00:30.53 | BryceLeo | he comes in today and says... ya know.... i just found out that I'm actually on "Zyrtek" not valtrex |
| 00:30.58 | BryceLeo | what's valtrex for anyway |
| 00:31.03 | BryceLeo | we informed him and had a great laugh over it |
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| 00:50.38 | linux_galore | YAY, new printer carts with a free pack of timtams |
| 00:56.46 | linux_galore | Ive got a Panafax machine here in the office and I had to get a new drum and toner, here in Sydney the prices vary between $185-220 for the drum and $109-120 for the toner, talked to a supplier in Melbourne $125 for the drum and $65 for the toner. |
| 00:59.31 | linux_galore | yep, worth ringing interstate |
| 01:00.43 | linux_galore | the company is called copiproducts (no i dont work for them or have any affiliation) |
| 01:05.11 | cesarb | rwhitby: I got an idea... how about keeping the previous copy of the Makefile on update-makefile? It should be as simple as changing the "mv Makefile.new Makefile" to "ln Makefile Makefile.old && mv Makefile.new Makefile" (note: untested) |
| 01:07.37 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r2826 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (14 files in 2 dirs): |
| 01:07.37 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Added custom libSpiff C binding for better XSPF support |
| 01:07.37 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Fixed notices from -pedantic |
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| 01:12.39 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Userspace_root_image]] |
| 01:13.30 | rwhitby | cesarb: you can achieve the same effect by using "make check-makefile" before you update |
| 01:16.08 | linux_galore | oops wrong channel. sorry guys |
| 01:18.01 | linux_galore | clicked on the wrong tab |
| 01:18.59 | cesarb | rwhitby: not if I get a race condition |
| 01:19.21 | cesarb | rwhitby: i.e. if you update it exactly between my check-makefile and my update-makefile |
| 01:20.06 | rwhitby | cesarb: you could also check out the svn repo directly, and use svn commands to update the makefile |
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| 01:30.26 | cheriff | Hi, I'm trying to rebuild a kernel. I've taken 2.6.21.3 vanilla, applied the patchset and have defconfig-2.6.21.3-fic-gta01 as .config. the wiki says "The kernel build is executed as normal" but a plain make prompts for many more config questions? |
| 01:32.18 | cheriff | and it warns about trying to assign to many nonexistant symbol, most of them seem S3C2410 related |
| 01:32.33 | roh | then you propably are missing some component somewhere |
| 01:32.57 | roh | atm the bb built me a 2.6.21.6-moko11 |
| 01:34.18 | cheriff | hmm. its just I already have a 2.6.21.3 rootfs and kernel working, and just wanted to add some additional verbosity here & there |
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| 01:35.32 | roh | cheriff why don't you just make a patch and add it to the bb? |
| 01:36.00 | cheriff | erm.. bb? |
| 01:37.55 | jaebird | cbrake: ping |
| 01:38.54 | cesarb | Does anyone know the current size of a normal 2007.2 build? I've heard 21G on this channel some days ago, is that for the whole mokomakefile tree or just the build/ part? |
| 01:40.13 | Writchie | cesarb: standby - i'll get it |
| 01:40.24 | rwhitby | 6.5GB for rm_work enabled 2007.2 build for me |
| 01:42.39 | cesarb | I would like to avoid rm_work if possible, so I can look at the build logs and build trees if something goes wrong (as I expect it will do - I'm still using dash, after all) |
| 01:43.07 | Writchie | cesarb: with rm-work NOT enabled 9.3 GB |
| 01:43.43 | Writchie | that's for openmoko-devel-image |
| 01:44.49 | cheriff | roh: silly me. not sure why I was expecting plain 'make' to work. after setting ARCH and CROSS_COMPILE to appropriate values, its all going nicely |
| 01:45.57 | roh | ah ;) |
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| 01:58.16 | cesarb | Cool, the lanyard already comes with the loop closed, showing you exactly how it should be done! |
| 01:59.38 | Writchie | anybody know if the microSD driver is stable enough to use for a rootfs? |
| 02:06.44 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 02:06.53 | SpeedEvil | dd if=/dev/zero of=file |
| 02:06.58 | SpeedEvil | is plenty to crash it. |
| 02:07.18 | Writchie | :( |
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| 02:20.56 | cheriff | now I have a kernel, is there a way I can just boot it without flashing? I've tried "dfu-util -a 0 -D vmlinux -R" and then "bootelf 0x32000000" to uboot, but no love. (thats how we boot other images, so it can't be too bad a method) |
| 02:21.53 | cesarb | cheriff: put it on the sd card |
| 02:22.20 | cesarb | cheriff: there's something in the wiki somewhere explaining some way of booting it from a sd card formated in some specific way |
| 02:23.11 | cheriff | ok i've seen that. Will see if its worth trying (i'd have to use the phone itself and scp to get in on there, as i do not have a reader that can take the tiny card) |
| 02:23.19 | cheriff | thanks! |
| 02:25.29 | cesarb | cheriff: you don't need a reader for the tiny card, doesn't it come with an adapter for the bigger original form factor? |
| 02:25.38 | cesarb | (the postage-stamp sized one) |
| 02:27.03 | cheriff | oh. i must've missed that |
| 02:27.43 | SpeedEvil | There are really cheap small USB readers. |
| 02:28.37 | cheriff | found it! |
| 02:30.28 | cesarb | cheriff: the "lunchbox" has too many foam-padded crevices (sp?) and you didn't look hard enough at first? ;-) |
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| 02:58.34 | arw_ | see you |
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| 03:12.59 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko]] [[Binary_compatibility]] |
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| 03:56.31 | Aztlek | Hello |
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| 04:08.36 | dsilva | I compiled a "hello world" C program with arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/gcc like it says in the wiki, then scp'd it to the phone, but when I try to run it I get "not found"... what does that mean? |
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| 04:16.51 | jeddy3|Zzz | dsilva, sorry if obviuos but, does it have executeproperties on the neo?, and were do you put it/how do you run it? |
| 04:18.11 | dsilva | yep, it's exec |
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| 04:18.38 | dsilva | $ scp hello root@192.168.0.202:/tmp/ |
| 04:18.44 | dsilva | $ ssh root@192.168.0.202 /tmp/hello |
| 04:18.52 | dsilva | sh: /tmp/hello: not found |
| 04:19.28 | dsilva | jeddy3|Zzz: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7050 Jan 1 00:31 /tmp/hello |
| 04:20.13 | dsilva | when I run 'file' against it, I see: |
| 04:20.14 | dsilva | hello: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 04:20.34 | dsilva | but if I grab /usr/bin/wget off the phone and run 'file' against that, I see: |
| 04:20.43 | dsilva | wget: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1, for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 04:21.32 | hozer | is ldd on the phone? |
| 04:22.04 | dsilva | hmm, I don't think so |
| 04:22.14 | hozer | is there an arm-*-ldd |
| 04:22.54 | dsilva | not on the phone |
| 04:23.21 | dsilva | the phone's using a pretty much untouched image since it arrived in the mail a few weeks ago |
| 04:23.38 | hozer | I mean a host arm*ldd ? |
| 04:23.54 | hozer | it seems like either a missing shared lib or an abi difference |
| 04:24.09 | dsilva | there's a host ld, but not ldd |
| 04:24.33 | dsilva | under moto/build/tmp/cross/bin/ |
| 04:24.42 | dsilva | and moto/build/tmp/cross/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ |
| 04:24.48 | dsilva | er, moko, not moto :) |
| 04:24.51 | hozer | heh |
| 04:27.11 | dsilva | could it be linked against a different libc? |
| 04:28.38 | dsilva | oops, compiling it with gcc -static, yields "Illegal instruction" when I try to run it on the phone |
| 04:33.55 | roh | what does file say at the static version? |
| 04:35.13 | dsilva | hello-static: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, statically linked, not stripped |
| 04:37.11 | dsilva | by the way, my phone's uname -a says: |
| 04:37.12 | dsilva | Linux fic-gta01 2.6.21.3-moko10 #1 PREEMPT Fri Jun 8 07:25:36 UTC 2007 armv4tl unknown |
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| 04:41.04 | dsilva | ohh there it is |
| 04:41.18 | dsilva | openmoko uses a different ABI since August |
| 04:41.46 | dsilva | i'll try under a new set of uboot/kernel/rootfs images |
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| 04:53.53 | rastern800 | mew |
| 04:54.36 | gcb77 | I have an emulator image running, and the pointer is not calibrated and WAY off |
| 04:54.50 | gcb77 | any idea on how I can fix it? |
| 04:56.39 | rastern800 | thou calibateth it |
| 04:58.13 | blindcoder | moin |
| 04:59.54 | gcb77 | ah, cool there we go |
| 05:00.13 | gcb77 | just kept hitting the mouse until it the apps tab got selected, then used the keyboard |
| 05:00.18 | gcb77 | started terminal and ran xtscal |
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| 05:04.11 | hozer | grrrr.. a patch to matchbox-keyboard is failing on mokomakefile |
| 05:05.19 | dsilva | ah great, it works now |
| 05:05.35 | hozer | Patch fic-gta01-font-size.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) |
| 05:05.35 | hozer | ERROR: Task 241 (/vicepb/moko/openembedded/packages/matchbox-keyboard/matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod_svn.bb, do_patch) failed |
| 05:08.20 | gcb77 | could somebody else with a NEO verify that the matchbox-keyboard can't use '[', and instead writes '{'? |
| 05:09.47 | Aria | Confirmed. |
| 05:10.27 | hads | Yeah. The finger based one can. |
| 05:10.37 | hads | But not stylus |
| 05:12.51 | hozer | hrrm... what is the difference between the finger & stylus keyboard? |
| 05:13.18 | hads | Also Shift+< == > and Shift+` == ~ |
| 05:14.02 | hads | hozer: One is for finger input and one is for styles ;) |
| 05:14.06 | roh | hozer the difference is the style and the level of broken-ness ;)I |
| 05:14.40 | gcb77 | hozer: the stylus one is layed out more like a real keyboard, with access to SHIFT, CTRL, ALT, etc |
| 05:14.47 | hads | hozer: If you tap on the right hand side of the white box you will get a choice of options |
| 05:15.07 | hads | Also the finger one is prettier :) |
| 05:15.23 | hozer | hrrm.. I think I am using the finger one |
| 05:15.28 | gcb77 | can anyone use the finger keyboard with an actual finger? |
| 05:15.33 | hozer | I am running the chooseopen images |
| 05:15.44 | hozer | and I've been able to sorta use the finger keyboard |
| 05:16.06 | hads | gcb77: Yeah, it's still a bit small isn't it. |
| 05:16.52 | gcb77 | OMG, it actually works! |
| 05:17.39 | hozer | okay, so how can I get a damn image to build ? |
| 05:17.47 | gcb77 | my finger covers 4 of the buttons at a time, but gets the one I'm trying to hit |
| 05:18.08 | raster | your fingers are buggy. too big. |
| 05:18.13 | hads | The finger keyboard only appears to be designed for the verticle orientation. |
| 05:18.17 | gcb77 | yea, been working on that |
| 05:18.22 | raster | get the minifinger patch. |
| 05:19.42 | hads | Oops. Killed X |
| 05:19.43 | gcb77 | hozer: you trying to build MokoMakefile? |
| 05:19.48 | roh | gcb77 i've used a lot of stuff.. but even the laserkeyboards do not 'help' |
| 05:20.29 | roh | get a bt-keyboard if you wanna type more than numbers and single words from time to time and spare yourself the pain of minikeys and touchscreen-keyboards |
| 05:20.29 | hozer | gcb77: yeah.. make openmoko-devel-image |
| 05:21.01 | hozer | I've done 'make setup update openmoko-devel-image' several times |
| 05:21.10 | gcb77 | I managed to do that yesterday... it built |
| 05:21.29 | hads | roh: BT keyboard for SMS? :) |
| 05:22.28 | gcb77 | Yeah, I subscribed to the list in 2001... guess how many messages I got? |
| 05:22.47 | gcb77 | 1, saying they're looking for funding :( |
| 05:23.07 | gcb77 | Then a survey asking if we (list watchers) would be willing to invest |
| 05:23.32 | gcb77 | then nothing |
| 05:23.48 | roh | hads not that i like sms... i think most people are faster with the classic telephone-style or T9 (not me on t9) than without a stylus on the onscreen-keyboard |
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| 05:24.52 | hads | Yeah, I agree. Num pad/T9 input would be better. I was just being smart :) |
| 05:24.59 | roh | hads for sms i could imagine turning the phone 90degree and using about 1/2-2/3 of the screen as onscreen keyboard.. sms is only 160chars, so the textbox above does not need to be big. same with chat |
| 05:25.13 | hads | roh: Agreed again |
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| 05:25.28 | Aria | Indeed. |
| 05:25.43 | hozer | put the little caps/num/other buttons on the bottom instead of the left side |
| 05:25.45 | raster | i think u can get imaginative with vkbds |
| 05:25.54 | hozer | that'd make the buttons a little bigger |
| 05:25.58 | hads | hozer: Yeah, that would give more realestate too. |
| 05:26.03 | roh | hads but we'll see..atm i'm playing mp3 on my moko and wondering why the adapter i bought does not fir 100%.. propably my adapter |
| 05:26.05 | raster | like make use of dragging keys |
| 05:27.50 | hozer | okay, I cleaned the work dir and it seems to be building |
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| 05:31.11 | hozer | so when I have the neo on my desk, plugged into the laptop, and am sshed in, it wakes up whenever I touch the screen |
| 05:31.36 | hozer | but now it seems whenever I try to start terminal it goes back to sleep |
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| 05:31.48 | hozer | and I have it plugged into the laptop |
| 05:31.57 | hozer | but the laptop itself is on battery |
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| 05:43.49 | jeddy3 | morning |
| 05:46.25 | gcb77 | I'm writing a but on the stylus keyboard, so far I have ` [ ] < and ' as not working. Anyone know of any other ones? |
| 05:46.26 | cheriff | does anyone know how to go from a vmlinux -> uImage.bin in a simple way? |
| 05:46.36 | gcb77 | s/but/bug |
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| 05:47.56 | mrface | gcb77: I didn't notice any of them not working |
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| 05:48.21 | CM | Morning :) |
| 05:48.23 | gcb77 | mrface: using the stylus keyboard on the NEO? |
| 05:48.38 | mrface | gcb77: I guess I didn't try those keys |
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| 05:53.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 748 has been created by george.barta(AT)gmail.com |
| 05:53.01 | cdbot2 | * * Stylus keyboard cannot use square brackets |
| 05:53.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=748 |
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| 06:15.03 | cheriff | u-boot patches dont apply clean to vanilla 1.2.0? |
| 06:18.39 | CM | pavelm's hack yesterday: http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/44345.html :) |
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| 06:42.22 | xkr47 | v2!! :) |
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| 06:49.32 | daMaestro | xkr47, ? |
| 06:50.35 | xkr47 | laf0rge's quit msg.. |
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| 06:59.31 | CM | I guess the Neo screen is too small for something like this: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/so-nice/how-to-install-nintendo-games-and-play-with-tactile-feedback-in-your-iphone-292655.php |
| 06:59.35 | CM | Or? :-) |
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| 07:06.19 | trains | hello, i'm a newbie and i'm having a problem running openmoko on qemu |
| 07:06.44 | trains | i followed the instructions in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch |
| 07:07.11 | trains | i did make qemu |
| 07:07.26 | trains | qemu started ok, but i can't click in anything |
| 07:07.43 | trains | any ideas? |
| 07:07.49 | gordonsyme | trains: the OpenMoko images ship with touchscreen calibration data for the Neo1973 device |
| 07:08.09 | gordonsyme | trains: with qemu the calibration data is wrong |
| 07:08.15 | trains | ok |
| 07:08.23 | gordonsyme | trains: so the touchscreen appears to be rotated 90 degrees to the actual display |
| 07:08.30 | trains | how do i calibrate for qemu? |
| 07:09.14 | gcb77 | trains: I just had to do this a few hours ago |
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| 07:09.21 | gordonsyme | that's the trick. My current approach is to remove openembedded/packages/pointercal and rebuild. This should leave out the touchscreen calibration data and run the calibration tool when you boot |
| 07:09.35 | trains | ah ok |
| 07:09.38 | gordonsyme | although I should point out that my build hasn't finished yet so I don't know if it works :) |
| 07:09.53 | gcb77 | It seems the calibration is inverted, so to select at the botom you have to click around the top |
| 07:10.15 | gcb77 | if you can hit the apps tab, you can use the keyboard (using tab and arrow) to start a terminal |
| 07:10.35 | gcb77 | then run xtscal |
| 07:10.55 | gcb77 | Unfortunately, it ususally takes 3 or 4 taps for a click to register |
| 07:12.20 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Frankfurt_Main]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Berlin]] |
| 07:12.44 | daMaestro | xkr47, ahh |
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| 07:14.35 | mrface | CM: I think the biggest problem would be lack of multi-touch. i.e. you could not press the b and a buttons at the same time |
| 07:15.32 | Dmitry_Platonov | I'd rather stick usb "jacket" with hardware buttons |
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| 07:25.03 | trains | gcb77: thanks. i got it |
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| 07:31.08 | CM | mrface: True. Multi-touch would have been sweet :) |
| 07:32.18 | mrface | CM: I ran into that problem when running an NES emulator on my ipaq. you can play certain games though.. I played most of the way through final fantasy 1 :) |
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| 07:42.47 | trains | how do i quit que dialier application? :) |
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| 07:46.05 | FuzzyCat | mmm... ipkg needs some way to get the singer scrolly app to re-read the configs... |
| 07:46.14 | FuzzyCat | s/singer/finger/ |
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| 09:07.03 | torpor | morning chaps |
| 09:07.24 | CM | Morning |
| 09:12.40 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Ruggedized]] [[Wish_List]] |
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| 09:21.20 | borg_ | CM: you need multitouch for this |
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| 09:22.13 | josh23 | hi |
| 09:22.14 | borg_ | oh, someone said that allready ;) |
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| 09:22.25 | josh23 | when is teh openmoko going to be released? |
| 09:22.25 | aloril | josh23: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 09:22.56 | josh23 | any date of the final? |
| 09:24.02 | aloril | no better official dates than on those pages |
| 09:24.17 | josh23 | :( |
| 09:24.41 | josh23 | im goin to some convention on oct 13.. and i need the openmoko lol.. |
| 09:27.08 | XorA | someone should have got OpenMoko into GenCON |
| 09:28.13 | torpor | cm: opentouch for what? |
| 09:28.58 | torpor | qemuNOTE: Task failed: Error: /home/j/hak/openmoko/openembedded/packages/qemu/files/./configure-0.9.0.patch not found. |
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| 09:31.25 | CM | How would an usb-gamepad work as input? |
| 09:34.43 | ScaredyCat | keyboard |
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| 09:52.17 | hrw | torpor: update and restart build |
| 09:54.28 | torpor | where is the usb host port on the neo .. inside? |
| 09:55.01 | jeddy3 | torpor, same as ordinary |
| 09:55.09 | jeddy3 | torpor, there is only one |
| 09:55.44 | torpor | but its not host right? |
| 09:55.46 | hrw | there are two |
| 09:55.49 | torpor | only device? |
| 09:55.57 | hrw | first is internal one - BT is there |
| 09:56.07 | torpor | configure-0.9.0.patch not found .. |
| 09:56.09 | drath | it is a host |
| 09:56.17 | drath | and device |
| 09:56.18 | torpor | but we can't plug our own devices into it then? |
| 09:56.21 | drath | i.e. it can be both |
| 09:56.26 | hrw | second is external one - normally used as device, can be switched to host mode with proper cable |
| 09:56.35 | jeddy3 | torpor, what drath said |
| 09:56.42 | torpor | ah, that is interesting! i want to know how to do that right away .. |
| 09:56.43 | drath | but it's unpowered |
| 09:56.51 | drath | so most devices wont work out of the box |
| 09:56.57 | drath | you need a cable that injects the power |
| 09:57.02 | torpor | ok |
| 09:57.07 | torpor | i'll go look for the pinouts then. |
| 09:57.14 | hrw | torpor: mtn head please then |
| 09:57.17 | drath | that should all be in the wiki somewhere |
| 09:57.39 | torpor | great i'll check it out. |
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| 09:57.45 | torpor | hrw: mtn head in openmoko/ right? |
| 09:58.01 | hrw | torpor: in directory with OpenEmbedded metadata |
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| 09:58.19 | torpor | ah, right. |
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| 09:58.46 | hrw | torpor: I do not use mokomakefile |
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| 10:01.09 | ixs | torpor: seems your qemu problem is an old one. |
| 10:01.16 | ixs | mickey hat that problem in july |
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| 10:01.22 | ixs | never been fixed it seems. |
| 10:01.27 | torpor | damnit |
| 10:01.33 | torpor | how'd i get here then? |
| 10:03.01 | ixs | does it work with head for you? |
| 10:03.05 | torpor | nope |
| 10:03.26 | torpor | these sorts of problems are terribly frustrating. |
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| 10:04.20 | CM | torpor: I have this in my config: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/local.conf |
| 10:04.23 | torpor | i don't get what the problem is -there is no configure-0.9.0.patch, or is it that the build system shouldn't be putting 0.9.0 into the filenames .. |
| 10:04.26 | hrw | jesus... |
| 10:04.32 | hrw | torpor: MTN HEAD! |
| 10:04.42 | torpor | hrw: i did that! |
| 10:05.07 | torpor | CM: thanks, i'll use that to fix. |
| 10:05.20 | hrw | torpor: let me rephrase then... |
| 10:05.33 | hrw | torpor: show me output of 'mtn head' command pleae |
| 10:05.48 | XorA | torpor: wont help |
| 10:05.56 | XorA | torpor: unless you just happen to be on amd64 |
| 10:06.01 | torpor | j@boko-ubu:~/hak/openmoko/openembedded$ mtn head |
| 10:06.01 | torpor | mtn: branch 'org.openembedded.dev' is currently merged: |
| 10:06.03 | torpor | 5bd202316920d744a19326b228181e9a848e6474 hrw@openembedded.org 2007-08-24T09:42:19 |
| 10:06.18 | hrw | ok. so it should work now |
| 10:06.23 | torpor | does not |
| 10:06.36 | hrw | then blame openmoko maintainers |
| 10:06.37 | torpor | i'll just use CM's local.conf tweak .. |
| 10:06.39 | torpor | ok |
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| 10:07.01 | XorA | CM: do you realise, you set a version of qemu for amd64, then in same file disabled use of qemu? |
| 10:07.29 | XorA | CM: you also set a locale to generate then disable generation :-) |
| 10:07.52 | CM | XorA: I just added that last line on stefan_schmidt's suggestion |
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| 10:08.29 | CM | But yes, I admit that bitbake is still a big mystery to me |
| 10:08.50 | CM | I just happily tries suggestions and see what works |
| 10:08.52 | torpor | you and me both CM .. i actually find myself yearning for subversion lately .. ;) |
| 10:09.29 | XorA | CM: heh heh, well with the last line, you disbaled binary generation of locales on host, which isnt actually bad on neo as neo has enough RAM to do them on device (just sloooooow) |
| 10:09.42 | XorA | CM: so you can probably lose the three lines above that |
| 10:10.04 | CM | XorA: Ok, thanks :-) |
| 10:10.07 | jgm | The build system does feel somewhat... unstable. I try it every couple of days and when it fails miserably I just carry on with the app coding. I'm hoping that at some stage before my app is ready it will be 'easy' to integrate new packages, but who knows? |
| 10:10.40 | XorA | jgm: the build system is not unstable, the openmoko DISTRO is currently unstable |
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| 10:10.58 | XorA | jgm: angstrom is pretty rock solid in same build system |
| 10:10.59 | torpor | i find myself forcing a build to be done every few hours just so that if something is broken by someone i'll know about it in advance.. |
| 10:12.19 | jgm | Well at current I'm getting mtn misuse errors when attempting to update the openembedded directory and there's always *something* out there that stops me from getting a good build |
| 10:12.27 | jgm | Different thing each time perhaps, but then that's what I mean |
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| 10:12.56 | XorA | jgm: what errors, we are here to help :-) |
| 10:13.13 | torpor | i completed my first real build last night and was able to boot both image and filesystem, which is what ineed for my work, but now its all borked again with this 0.9.0 bug in qemu |
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| 10:14.45 | ScaredyCat | can I have your neo then ? |
| 10:15.45 | XorA | NOTE: package openmoko-devel-image-1.0: completed |
| 10:15.55 | XorA | if I saw qemu problem Id fix it |
| 10:16.03 | XorA | this isnt a svn bitbake issue again |
| 10:17.41 | ixs | XorA: could you check if you have a packages/qemu/files/configure-0.9.patch in your oe dir? |
| 10:17.55 | jgm | XorA: http://pastebin.ca/669026 |
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| 10:18.26 | jgm | Although if it's borked I will start the whole thing off again in a few hours (as my new computer just arrived :)) |
| 10:18.48 | ixs | jgm: looks as if you should just rm -rf _MTN/tmp/1 and try again? at least that#s what I would do... |
| 10:19.02 | XorA | ixs: no, but none of the qemu .bb files I have reference a file by that name, mtn checkout as of 5 mins ago |
| 10:19.12 | jgm | I have no idea about monotone so don't know if it should be there, shouldn't be there, should be something else, or whatever |
| 10:19.36 | ixs | XorA: uhh. check for configure-0.9.0.patch. |
| 10:19.43 | ixs | sorry,typo there. |
| 10:20.21 | XorA | FuzzyCat: build system is stable, metadata is unstable, different concepts |
| 10:20.51 | FuzzyCat | I didn;t say that |
| 10:22.41 | XorA | ixs: it looks like for some reason some people are using an old OE checkout 5bd202316920d744a19326b228181e9a848e6474 is the latest rev, and doesnt have qemu bug |
| 10:22.53 | XorA | ixs: I would suspect some confsion around MokoMakefile |
| 10:23.43 | ixs | XorA: interesting. |
| 10:23.46 | ixs | might actually be |
| 10:24.18 | XorA | also my local.conf is purely consisting of |
| 10:24.20 | XorA | DL_DIR = "${HOME}/zaurus/sources" |
| 10:24.20 | XorA | BBFILES := "${HOME}/zaurus/org.openembedded.dev/packages/*/*.bb" |
| 10:24.20 | XorA | MACHINE="fic-gta01" |
| 10:24.20 | XorA | DISTRO="openmoko" |
| 10:24.43 | XorA | INHERIT += "rm_work" |
| 10:24.50 | XorA | so no hacks in there |
| 10:24.51 | ixs | workaround is (cd openembedded/packages/qemu/; ln -s ln -s qemu-0.9.0+cvs20070701/configure-0.9.0.patch) |
| 10:25.03 | ixs | (remove one ln -s) |
| 10:25.17 | XorA | ixs: ah, you have PREFERRED_VERSION_qemu-native set somewhere, remove it |
| 10:25.22 | ixs | the configure-patch is in a subdir and not being foudn by bitbake... could very well be makefile trouble. |
| 10:26.12 | XorA | 20070701 was a qemu-native that was hacked up to work with amd64, hrw since then checked in a better version that works with amd64 and i386 |
| 10:27.33 | ixs | XorA: hmmm. I wouldn't know where I set it, It's a new dir with the mokomakefile stuff... local and site conf do not seem to have it. let#s see if grep turns something up |
| 10:28.27 | ixs | mhm, gotta run, got an invitation for lunch... l8r |
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| 10:32.30 | XorA | ixs: ah, its possible this is a bug that was just fixed in bitbake svn, so if you make update and try again |
| 10:33.20 | XorA | ixs: MokoMakefile is maybe still using svn bitbake which it shouldnt do |
| 10:33.57 | XorA | only OE core people should really use SVN bitbake |
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| 10:34.57 | XorA | jgm: rm -rf _MTN/tmp/1 and try again, its a wierd issue with mtn that happens on occasion |
| 10:35.11 | XorA | jgm: I mean rm -rf _MTN/tmp/* |
| 10:37.03 | jgm | XorA: trying now... |
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| 10:39.50 | wansti | hey there |
| 10:41.53 | rwhitby | XorA: MokoMakefile uses the bitbake 1.8 stable branch svn |
| 10:42.25 | XorA | rwhitby: stable branch is not same as stable release, as past 2 weeks demonstrate |
| 10:42.43 | XorA | rwhitby: you should pull from tagged releases |
| 10:43.45 | rwhitby | Hmm - methinks the problem is the stability of the stable branch, not the fact that mokomakefile is pulling from the stable branch. |
| 10:44.17 | XorA | rwhitby: its development between stable versions, but as last two weeks have proved, some people get caught between chagnes/bugs |
| 10:44.33 | torpor | like me for example |
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| 10:45.13 | XorA | rwhitby: anyone who has a clue will be using OE direct so it would make more sense for MokoMakefile to use stable releases, then at least what the clueless run is the same as what I run, and lower the insanity level :-D |
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| 10:45.49 | rwhitby | XorA: I find it somewhat insulting that you equate MokoMakefile usage with not having a clue. I would request that you stop that. |
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| 10:47.07 | XorA | rwhitby: you know that not true as you know I am a user of it |
| 10:47.39 | XorA | rwhitby: I just never moved to 2007.2 version |
| 10:49.00 | rwhitby | well, there is a undercurrent of disdain that some in the OE development community direct towards things that make the barrier to entry of OE lower for those who want to develop for OpenMoko but have no desire to learn bitbake or openembedded. |
| 10:49.26 | XorA | rwhitby: well hopefully that will change soon |
| 10:49.35 | XorA | rwhitby: its a culture I do not like |
| 10:50.40 | rwhitby | XorA: apologies for incorrectly associating you with that culture. |
| 10:51.14 | XorA | rwhitby: no probs, I like MokoMakefile, and I dont see why anyone should be excluded, I apologise for badly stating what I meant |
| 10:51.22 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r150 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Use tagged release of bitbake 1.8.8 |
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| 10:51.49 | FuzzyCat | nodobt disses the mokomakefile and lives. |
| 10:51.56 | FuzzyCat | nobody |
| 10:52.32 | FuzzyCat | even if you only use it to set things up it's pretty damn good... |
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| 10:53.15 | FuzzyCat | it would be nice for it to setup a local part too.. but that's just mho. |
| 10:54.33 | FuzzyCat | in fact, |
| 10:54.37 | FuzzyCat | rwhitby, ... |
| 10:54.42 | FuzzyCat | could you add that? |
| 10:54.56 | FuzzyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course |
| 10:55.23 | rwhitby | FuzzyCat: not a bad idea. I'll look into it when I get some free time. |
| 10:56.03 | FuzzyCat | k.. |
| 10:56.14 | FuzzyCat | might make it much simpler for new developers |
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| 10:57.34 | FuzzyCat | lots of changes to openembedded today? |
| 10:58.25 | rwhitby | does the day end in 'y'? |
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| 10:58.34 | Dmitry_Platonov | FuzzyCat, I'd say lots of changes last week |
| 11:00.01 | FuzzyCat | 1 minute to 12, XorA|pub not hanging around ;) |
| 11:00.22 | FuzzyCat | the update is killing my laptop.. |
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| 11:13.00 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[SH1]] [[User:PiotrDuda_notes]] [[User:PiotrDuda]] [[OMLG-Duesseldorf_Meeting_20070823]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Duesseldorf]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Repositories]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 11:20.38 | rwhitby | FuzzyCat: someone needs to modify http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course so that it doesn't use DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS - see hrw's blog on the subject. Once that is fixed, I'll take another look at it. |
| 11:21.06 | ScaredyCat | url to blog entry ? |
| 11:21.19 | rwhitby | planet.openmoko.org |
| 11:21.40 | FuzzyCat | it's a recent one then? |
| 11:21.47 | FuzzyCat | ahh.. k |
| 11:24.04 | FuzzyCat | well, he provides the bitch, but not really an example... which is what most people want.. so they'll continue to abuse those variables... |
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| 11:41.17 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03wansti * r2827 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/sounds/ (3 files): An unintrusive startup sound (for all you developers who have to reboot a lot :-)) |
| 11:42.40 | stefan_schmidt | ~hail wansti |
| 11:42.41 | apt | ACTION bows down to wansti and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 11:44.32 | wansti | lol |
| 11:45.07 | wansti | could someone please svn copy this to OM-2007.2? i don't have access to that repository |
| 11:45.48 | stefan_schmidt | wansti: Will do |
| 11:47.48 | torpor | how'd you make the sound wansti ? |
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| 11:51.56 | PBeck | hi |
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| 11:55.49 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2828 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/sounds/ (3 files): * Copy new sound files over to OM2007.2 as wansti has not access to it yet. |
| 11:56.05 | zecke | wansti: are you sure? |
| 11:57.38 | ynezz | does anybody use root over nfs? |
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| 12:00.12 | Dmitry_Platonov | is libmokogsmd2_svn.bb broken? |
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| 12:00.56 | stefan_schmidt | Dmitry_Platonov: It should not, why? |
| 12:01.13 | wansti | zecke: sure about what? no access? |
| 12:02.06 | zecke | wansti: yes, about your access. I was able to commit to 2007.2 just fine and I don't think some one changed acl's |
| 12:02.24 | woglinde | he zecke |
| 12:02.28 | woglinde | he stefan_schmidt |
| 12:02.45 | stefan_schmidt | hi woglinde |
| 12:02.47 | wansti | torpor: just placed a few notes on a midi track, chose an instrument and recorded it :-P |
| 12:03.31 | wansti | torpor: i also played with the panning effects a bit while i was at it, but i don't think anyone will notice on the Neo |
| 12:03.49 | wansti | zecke: hm, weird. i got an "authorization failed" message |
| 12:03.59 | woglinde | damint thunder again |
| 12:04.05 | woglinde | will that stop |
| 12:04.24 | zecke | wansti: do you use the right server (e.g. https instead of http for the common people)? |
| 12:04.37 | woglinde | and powerloss for 20 minutes at my university work |
| 12:04.39 | wansti | zecke: yes i do |
| 12:04.47 | zecke | woglinde: right, but these humans just don't go away... |
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| 12:04.59 | wansti | zecke: svn: Commit failed (details follow): svn: CHECKOUT of '/!svn/ver/2792/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/sounds': authorization failed (https://svn.openmoko.org) |
| 12:05.14 | zecke | okay, I'm going to shut up then :) |
| 12:05.27 | wansti | :-P |
| 12:05.44 | woglinde | and rain again |
| 12:06.12 | woglinde | and there are some windows in the neigbour building which are under construction |
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| 12:13.15 | xkr47 | is ntp available from somewhere for moko ? |
| 12:14.07 | woglinde | xkr47 bitbake ntp |
| 12:14.15 | xkr47 | ok thx |
| 12:14.36 | SpeedEvil | #!/bin/ash |
| 12:14.37 | SpeedEvil | date `ssh 192.168.0.200 date "+%m%d%H%M%Y.%S"` |
| 12:14.45 | woglinde | hehe |
| 12:22.28 | blindcoder | SpeedEvil: interesting |
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| 12:24.22 | zash_se | dude! |
| 12:25.34 | woglinde | he bc |
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| 12:32.44 | Dvalin | sooo, if I order an openmoko now, will it ship in september? :) |
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| 12:33.55 | woglinde | dvalin depends what you want |
| 12:34.17 | woglinde | gta01 developer version or gta02 customer version |
| 12:34.17 | Dvalin | neo advanced |
| 12:34.19 | Dvalin | developer |
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| 12:34.53 | woglinde | hm that will be shipped earlier but I dont know the status yet |
| 12:35.00 | Dvalin | okay |
| 12:35.06 | Dvalin | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.26 | woglinde | dvalin yeah than its clear |
| 12:35.57 | Dvalin | okay :) |
| 12:36.20 | woglinde | hm I wonder how many they soled already |
| 12:37.27 | rwhitby | I heard on the CCC video that the first run was 1000 |
| 12:37.42 | rwhitby | and that they have another run of 2000 underway |
| 12:38.06 | rwhitby | (mokoninja on youtube) |
| 12:38.30 | woglinde | rwhitby ah |
| 12:38.39 | woglinde | that amde near 1 million |
| 12:38.46 | woglinde | dollars |
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| 12:43.59 | jeddy3 | are we having any progress with gllin? long time since any information... |
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| 12:46.26 | xkr47 | scp /etc/localtime root@moko:/etc/localtime \o/ |
| 12:46.41 | xkr47 | .. and now my timezone works fine :) |
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| 12:48.35 | mdt | xkr47, didn't get the biginning, can you repeat? what did you do to fix timezone? |
| 12:49.01 | xkr47 | I mean, by default it just uses UTC |
| 12:49.17 | xkr47 | so I copied /etc/localtime from my desktop computer and now it shows up properly |
| 12:49.22 | xkr47 | with daylight savings et al |
| 12:49.31 | mdt | xkr47, yes. and if you do a `TZ=??? date` ? |
| 12:49.49 | mdt | mine does not show any other time than UTC |
| 12:50.09 | xkr47 | it shows the correct time with just "date" after I log out and back in |
| 12:50.20 | xkr47 | and TZ=UTC date shows the utc time |
| 12:50.56 | mdt | ah, login again. fine. yes, that works |
| 12:51.32 | xkr47 | :) |
| 12:51.39 | mdt | hm, but only that one timezone works: TZ=xxx date |
| 12:51.39 | mdt | Fri Aug 24 12:51:18 xxx 2007 |
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| 12:52.08 | mdt | i build & installed timezone packages... :/ |
| 12:52.12 | xkr47 | yeah.. I guess you need to clone the whole /usr/share/zoneinfo from your pc if you want other timezones |
| 12:52.20 | xkr47 | yeah that's another option I guess |
| 12:52.36 | mdt | ...which did not work |
| 12:52.41 | xkr47 | oh |
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| 12:52.52 | YouTuber | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fscqJP2U0kg |
| 12:53.04 | xkr47 | if you want the gui to show the right time, you need to restart it as well.. I was lazy and just did /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
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| 12:53.28 | mdt | xkr47, shure... |
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| 12:59.26 | gordonsyme | Has anyone else booted OpenMoko having removed /etc/pointercal? I find that when I do I get to the "Please wait while the UI starts up" screen and no further. I'll add that I am using qemu but I'd like to hear others' experiences |
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| 13:12.57 | sagacis | I have a quick question that I can't find the answer to: When I call "setenv menu_6..." in the bootloader, the menu item only lasts for that session. How do I export this env variable? |
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| 13:13.20 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[User:Overflow]] [[User:Lux]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Duesseldorf]] [[MokoMakefile]] |
| 13:15.31 | zedstar | my phone emulator in 2007.2 has a screen calibration problem so i have no idea where to click...anyone know a solution? |
| 13:16.18 | cjb_ie | is this the "rotated by 90 degrees" behaviour? |
| 13:16.30 | zedstar | it could be yeh |
| 13:17.11 | cjb_ie | there's plenty of people noticed it anyway. till it's fixed, just pretend the screen is rotated by 90 degrees :-) |
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| 13:17.52 | zedstar | i think if i can get to the terminal i can run ts_calibrate but got no idea how to get a terminal :) |
| 13:18.13 | cjb_ie | click on the 'wrong' corner :-) |
| 13:18.45 | zedstar | im more used to the 2007.1 interface as never used this on my neo either so is kinda tricky this |
| 13:19.49 | zedstar | what actually on the screen brings up the menu to select terminal? on 2007.1 u click on the openmoko logo |
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| 13:28.14 | DukeOfURL | good morning |
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| 13:31.01 | zedstar | yah bashing away like a chimp i got the terminal and calibrated the screen |
| 13:36.31 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03werner * r2829 10/developers/werner/usbreset/ (. Makefile usbreset.c): Quick and dirty "reset all USB devices" hack. |
| 13:36.46 | Writchie|zzzZZZz | sagacis: you need to save the environment to flash - there's a command for that |
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| 13:54.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 749 has been created by openmoko(AT)twiceasgood.net |
| 13:54.02 | cdbot2 | * * OpenMoko will not boot without /etc/pointercal present |
| 13:54.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=749 |
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| 14:18.56 | torpor | rwhitby: i'm with you on mokoMakefile and the OE hijinx .. What I think the OE folks are too quick to do is ignore the fact that Moko points out the *problems* of OE's buildscheme. |
| 14:19.01 | torpor | bitbake is a nuisance. |
| 14:19.02 | torpor | monotne too. |
| 14:19.40 | Writchie | what would you replace it with? |
| 14:19.46 | torpor | its not like the people coming to the neo project aren't competent developers - some more so than those working on the public build tools, even - and i think this whole 'people are just too stupid to mtn update' thing is a false response to the issues. |
| 14:20.19 | XorA | torpor: not all the OE people think in this way |
| 14:20.29 | torpor | i'd be fine with bitbake/mtn/openembedded/*moko if it was just -managed- better. its not the tools. if we had a common known time-of-build (for example), and anything that didn't pass that is chucked back into the tree, this would fix a lot of problems. |
| 14:20.39 | bluelightning | XorA: just one in particular... :/ |
| 14:20.52 | torpor | like, if you're a mokomakefile user, knowing that there are big server builds every 6 hours that will *chuck out* things that are busted, would be a big help. |
| 14:21.05 | mintee_ | hey Writchie, that linking libs worked perfect... my build completed last night |
| 14:21.18 | Writchie | mintee_: great |
| 14:21.27 | Writchie | torpor: you are right |
| 14:21.41 | Writchie | IMHO |
| 14:21.47 | torpor | thx. |
| 14:21.50 | torpor | i'm only saying my bit. |
| 14:21.52 | Writchie | these are all management issues |
| 14:22.05 | Writchie | or lack of management issues |
| 14:22.11 | torpor | i intend to work on openmoko as a good platform - but for me it is a *port* target, mostly - i already have tons of linux-using code that i want to run on it. |
| 14:22.24 | Writchie | the productivity of the community at this point is a a few percent of what's possible |
| 14:22.37 | Writchie | and it all revolves around the build system |
| 14:22.40 | torpor | for pure new development, perhaps i'd have a different slant, but i'm not there with the whole openembedded philosophy quite yet. i know its running on a lot of very nice, cheap, devices though .. |
| 14:22.48 | XorA | I fully expect OpenMoko to have a build cruncher as things progress |
| 14:22.58 | XorA | OE already has a build cruncher |
| 14:23.13 | torpor | is that what its being called? cruncher? |
| 14:23.24 | XorA | torpor: its what I call it |
| 14:23.47 | torpor | that would be very nice to have access to, frankly. then i wouldn't have to have yet another tree of someone elses software involved in my build system; i could just rely on the common build outputs to test things. |
| 14:24.04 | XorA | nothing like having Big Iron machines crunch builds overnight |
| 14:24.08 | bluelightning | does it have an add-on "bad committer cruncher"? |
| 14:24.10 | bluelightning | ;) |
| 14:24.27 | torpor | as it is, i have mokomakfile in its own vm-image, safe for tucking away and/or out, without glitching up my own local dirs .. |
| 14:25.04 | torpor | this is perhaps why it took me 6 days to complete my first moko build, and another 3 days to confirm the images/results in both qemu and my neo. |
| 14:25.21 | XorA | but one thing to watch is people thing OE is a development system, its not, its a repeatable build environment, your best off writing new software the old way |
| 14:25.27 | torpor | hard to say i feel like writing new code for it yet, but at least i now have tools to use to port. |
| 14:26.26 | torpor | well, heck.. maybe i'll give a '45 minute new app for neo' approach a go now, if i can get at least helloworld running .. ;) |
| 14:27.08 | XorA | although I will admit the sound driver for neo was written within tmp/work/arm-linux-*/linux-gta01-* :-) |
| 14:27.33 | torpor | thats not very nice. |
| 14:27.45 | Writchie | torpor: what did you confirm images against? |
| 14:28.06 | SpeedEvil | My first useful app was developed and installed in 2 mins. |
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| 14:28.19 | SpeedEvil | GPS over GPRS over SSH |
| 14:28.29 | torpor | running on both my qemu env and the real machine. since what i'm working on (MidiShare ARM port) requires compiler/libs and kernel/modules build steps in tight sync, its important for me to have both realms operational. |
| 14:28.47 | torpor | <0- haven't tried any phone features of neo yet. |
| 14:29.14 | Writchie | torpor: but you haven't confirmed image matches anybody elses build? |
| 14:29.41 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: sure - but can it built automatically for all of the targets |
| 14:29.52 | Writchie | two years from now |
| 14:30.00 | torpor | well, actually, i know that there is build-control going on around the public/official releases, so i'm not so fussy with if it matches: just that it runs, can be manipulated locally, etc. |
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| 14:31.22 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: given that it was a simple ash script - quite possibly. |
| 14:31.45 | Writchie | ya got a bb recipe and all that |
| 14:32.01 | SpeedEvil | I need to get the proper toolchain setup. |
| 14:32.07 | Writchie | ah |
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| 14:33.57 | XorA | hmm, gp2x-f200 has a touchscreen |
| 14:37.43 | torpor | gp2x-f200? |
| 14:37.58 | XorA | linux games console |
| 14:38.30 | torpor | i know what the gp2x is (i have 5 of them) didn't know there was an f200 around .. |
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| 14:38.52 | XorA | torpor: apparently it will be annouced next week, playasia.com jumped the gun |
| 14:39.01 | XorA | torpor: sounds like an ideal place for openmoko |
| 14:39.14 | torpor | open2x is much nicer for the gp2x. |
| 14:39.32 | torpor | remember: its a games machine, not a PDA. |
| 14:39.39 | XorA | torpor: I only have one 2x so I havent braved open2x |
| 14:39.42 | torpor | most of the cool gp2x games coders would rather *not* have linux onboard. |
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| 14:39.58 | torpor | XorA: you can try open2x on an SD card .. |
| 14:40.02 | XorA | torpor: with a touchscreen it becomes a PDA whether they like it or not |
| 14:40.16 | torpor | with a touchscreen it continues to be a badass games machine, whether anyone likes i tor not. ;) |
| 14:40.20 | SpeedEvil | Not if they don't install any PDA stuffs. |
| 14:40.32 | XorA | torpor: you can? I must have missed that, I been watching for the release notice |
| 14:40.58 | XorA | torpor: agreed, but with a touchscreen I can sell my zaurus and have gp2x-f200 |
| 14:41.14 | XorA | torpor: although I hope they saw sense and allow to power from USB |
| 14:42.43 | torpor | i'm keeping all my gp2x's, 3 of which i've already stripped of their cases and glommed into other things .. ;) |
| 14:42.56 | torpor | i'll probably skip the f200 unless its really kickass. |
| 14:43.07 | zedstar | anyone know what linking against openmoko-libs does in the hello world example? i works without it but what does openmoko-libs actually provide? |
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| 14:47.53 | XorA | torpor: then you have a spare gp2x case for the GTA02, which would rock |
| 14:51.58 | torpor | heh |
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| 14:57.46 | jadams | got my phone runnign |
| 14:59.44 | jadams | haven't got the gsm working yet though |
| 14:59.47 | jadams | SIM's in there |
| 14:59.49 | FuzzyCat | sweet jadams ... |
| 15:01.14 | jadams | how do I brnig up the on screen keyboard in 2007.2? |
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| 15:02.24 | torpor | jadams: run input manager |
| 15:03.08 | torpor | 2007.2 is sorta like an as yet not assembled package .. the bits are there, but theres tape missing. |
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| 15:04.16 | jadams | can't start input manager |
| 15:04.20 | jadams | clicked on it, got nothing |
| 15:04.59 | torpor | fresh boot, click input manager - white box comes on top of screen (dunno why that isn't fixed yet) - then open some other app that needs it like terminal .. click the box .. |
| 15:05.07 | torpor | input manager is supposed to be a 'tray' app .. |
| 15:08.10 | jadams | alright |
| 15:08.40 | jadams | also I assume it's expected behaviour at this point that the on screen keyboard is wacky when I switch orientation. also, when I switch orientation back the phone crashes |
| 15:09.00 | FuzzyCat | torpor, did you get your scummvm working ok ? |
| 15:09.44 | torpor | FuzzyCat: no, i got distracted by doing a new build.. ;) |
| 15:09.59 | FuzzyCat | :) |
| 15:09.59 | torpor | jadams: i can switch orientation many times no problems |
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| 15:12.29 | jadams | torpor: hrm, mine reliably faults on the second switch |
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| 15:13.00 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Duesseldorf]] [[Bootloader/ru]] |
| 15:13.00 | jadams | lsof|grep ttySAC0 => gsmd is using it... |
| 15:14.30 | jadams | libgsmd-tool: R (Register to operator) returns 'No.' |
| 15:14.41 | jadams | is my SIM unsupported perchance? |
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| 15:21.49 | DukeOfURL | with a current build, I'm unable to "gsmd -p /dev/ttySAC0 -s 115200 -F". After "atcmd.c:561:atcmd_drain() c_iflag = 0x00000000, c_oflag = 0x00000000, c_cflag = 0x800018b2, c_lflag = 0x00000a30" I get "can't open unix socket" :-( |
| 15:22.23 | zecke | DukeOfURL: and you have af_net compiled/loaded? |
| 15:22.51 | DukeOfURL | brb |
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| 15:35.31 | jadams | I've added the stuff to /etc/network/interfaces on my host from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 15:35.45 | jadams | but I don't have ip forwarding working on the phone it seems |
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| 15:41.53 | eggsy | Any workaround for the uicmoc4-native build problem I'm having? |
| 15:42.56 | XorA | eggsy: not if you dont tell anyone the problem |
| 15:43.20 | DukeOfURL | zecke: I notice that the GSM icon has three bars--does this mean that gsmd is already running? |
| 15:43.47 | DukeOfURL | would cause gsmd from command line to fail? |
| 15:44.05 | eggsy | XorA: sorry thought was maybe a common problem. |
| 15:44.09 | FuzzyCat | if you have 3 bars it has signal |
| 15:44.15 | FuzzyCat | is reg'd too |
| 15:44.24 | eggsy | XorA: keep getting undefined reference to `QAbstractSocket::flush() |
| 15:44.25 | DukeOfURL | yikes! |
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| 15:44.39 | eggsy | when trying to build qtopia-core-opensource |
| 15:44.42 | jadams | yeah, how do I find out why gsmd won't work? |
| 15:45.39 | DukeOfURL | what do the two horizontal lines under the GSM icon indicate? |
| 15:46.03 | FuzzyCat | errmm... "stuff" DukeOfURL ... |
| 15:46.09 | FuzzyCat | they don't change... |
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| 15:47.22 | DukeOfURL | can't dial out, however |
| 15:47.50 | FuzzyCat | even from libmokogsm..thing/ |
| 15:47.51 | FuzzyCat | ? |
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| 15:49.46 | DukeOfURL | libgsmd-tool says it can't connect with gsmd |
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| 15:50.21 | DukeOfURL | with the gsm power down menu item, the top panel crashes |
| 15:50.34 | FuzzyCat | ok, so is gsmd running? |
| 15:50.56 | FuzzyCat | ssh to the phone, and do a : ps -aux | grep gsmd |
| 15:51.28 | FuzzyCat | if it's not running, do : /etc/init.d/gsmd restart |
| 15:51.48 | FuzzyCat | (you might actually have to do a start then stop on the init.d part.. |
| 15:51.55 | FuzzyCat | rather than a restart |
| 15:52.31 | jadams | Duke: when you do 'R' in libgsmd-tool, what's the output? |
| 15:52.34 | jadams | I get 'No.' |
| 15:52.45 | FuzzyCat | did you power up first jadams |
| 15:52.46 | FuzzyCat | ? |
| 15:53.12 | jadams | fuzzy: yeah |
| 15:53.14 | jadams | 'O' |
| 15:53.36 | DukeOfURL | jadams: I get No as well |
| 15:53.39 | jadams | I'm ssh'ing into the phone right now, I was doing that from rxvt on the phone before |
| 15:53.45 | FuzzyCat | can you start libgsmd-tool with -m shell |
| 15:53.53 | jadams | DukeOfURL, I'd heard about some SIMs that didn't work right |
| 15:53.56 | FuzzyCat | can you start libgsmd-tool with -m atcmd |
| 15:53.58 | FuzzyCat | i mean |
| 15:54.13 | jadams | seems to have started |
| 15:54.14 | jadams | now what? |
| 15:54.18 | FuzzyCat | ate1 |
| 15:54.26 | FuzzyCat | at+cfun=1 |
| 15:54.36 | FuzzyCat | wait a few seconds... |
| 15:54.43 | FuzzyCat | at+cops |
| 15:55.15 | DukeOfURL | using this t-mob SIM and with 2007.1 I was able to make a call (albeit with no audio) |
| 15:55.35 | jadams | FuzzyCat, thanks, it's searching for network now |
| 15:55.56 | jadams | connected |
| 15:55.59 | FuzzyCat | when it comes back, type : at+cops? (include ?) |
| 15:56.06 | FuzzyCat | and it'll say what network |
| 15:56.11 | jadams | RSTR=`+COPS: 0,0,"T-Mobile"' |
| 15:56.33 | FuzzyCat | :) |
| 15:56.57 | DukeOfURL | after reboot, gsmd is running (although gsm icon is "?") |
| 15:57.27 | FuzzyCat | that means unregistered |
| 15:58.03 | FuzzyCat | DukeOfURL, try what jadams just did |
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| 15:58.44 | DukeOfURL | that's with -m atcmd? |
| 15:58.55 | FuzzyCat | yes |
| 15:58.56 | jadams | FuzzyCat, I've registered now but the icon isn't updated...that won't work? |
| 15:59.03 | jadams | also, why would this work but the menu on the toolbar wouldn't? |
| 15:59.24 | torpor | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.24 | FuzzyCat | because it's broken... |
| 15:59.48 | jadams | fair enough |
| 15:59.50 | FuzzyCat | it's still very unreliable |
| 15:59.56 | FuzzyCat | sadly |
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| 16:00.03 | jadams | I just dialed using the dialer, and there was a BRIEF static on the monitor from the phone being too close |
| 16:00.09 | jadams | (audible...you know the sound I'm sure) |
| 16:00.17 | FuzzyCat | but changes happen all the time... new images get posted... |
| 16:00.45 | FuzzyCat | deepy-dip-dip-deepy-dip-dip sound ? |
| 16:01.45 | jadams | FuzzyCat, yeah, so I can dial from libgsmd-tool -m shell |
| 16:01.49 | jadams | D<number> |
| 16:02.01 | FuzzyCat | make sure you have a ; on the end |
| 16:02.07 | jadams | it worked |
| 16:02.10 | FuzzyCat | otherwise it tries to make a data call |
| 16:02.12 | jadams | the dialer doesn't |
| 16:02.55 | FuzzyCat | yes, the dialer and gsmd are attached via wet string... |
| 16:04.25 | jadams | heh |
| 16:04.36 | DukeOfURL | from at+cops? I get `+COPS: 0'. I'm thinking I'm out of range. |
| 16:04.38 | jadams | I'd expect the dialer to be pretty much an interface to do what I did in libgsmd-tool |
| 16:05.10 | FuzzyCat | DukeOfURL, could be... |
| 16:05.29 | FuzzyCat | did th at+cfun=1 work? |
| 16:05.49 | DukeOfURL | yes, got RSTR=`OK' |
| 16:07.23 | FuzzyCat | ok.. |
| 16:07.32 | FuzzyCat | at+cops=? |
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| 16:08.18 | cjb_ie | phase of the moon bug bug? |
| 16:08.27 | FuzzyCat | bug bug ? |
| 16:08.32 | FuzzyCat | meep meep |
| 16:09.20 | DukeOfURL | when I was in range and using 2007.1, the at+cops? returned entries for both Cingular and T-Mobile |
| 16:09.41 | DukeOfURL | so I have to assume I don't have sufficient signal |
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| 16:12.03 | DukeOfURL | FuzzyCat: RSTR=`+COPS: 0' |
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| 16:18.30 | DukeOfURL | Hung the Neo in the window. Got RSTR=`+COPS: 0,0,"T - Mobile"' registration. |
| 16:20.09 | DukeOfURL | have a call connected but no audio |
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| 16:23.20 | jipi | fooo. finally got my bricked neo's serial out. |
| 16:24.07 | hhf423 | TimRiker: when did they bill you? |
| 16:26.09 | jadams | TimRiker, awesome. I got billed last week, shipped Friday, arrived yesterday |
| 16:27.27 | SpeedEvil | jadams: ordered? |
| 16:27.33 | jadams | like the first week |
| 16:27.50 | jadams | I'd have been in the first shipment, but I was on vacation when it went on sale and my partner here didn't order the phone like I asked |
| 16:28.00 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 16:28.10 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 16:28.13 | SpeedEvil | July 15thish then ordered? |
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| 16:29.40 | jadams | probably...I'm 'Josh Adams' on the wiki and I put the exact date there |
| 16:30.18 | TimRiker | hhf423: billing was just a couple days ago. |
| 16:30.20 | hhf423 | hahahaha http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230164884672 from a guy with a mission, now off to college |
| 16:30.44 | hhf423 | TimRiker: from P1 Owners I got the imression that noone got billed about after August 15 |
| 16:32.55 | TimRiker | got the email re: billing on the 22nd. |
| 16:32.56 | fray | I suspect about August 15th was when I was billed.. package arrived Monday of this week |
| 16:34.29 | jadams | can someone with a working dialer tell me what image they're using? |
| 16:34.52 | jadams | libgsmd-tool doesn't have a problem with dialing out, so I'm left assuming it's the dialer itself broken on this image |
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| 16:35.39 | hhf423 | jadams: I am using the latest stuff e.g. 2007.2.08 image with ipkg updates. I would not call my dialer working, but also not broken. I have to ssh into the neo and stop X, restart gsmd and start X again and then it works mostly. |
| 16:37.20 | jadams | haven't used ipkg on it yet |
| 16:37.36 | jadams | anyone using it as their primary phone yet? :) |
| 16:37.48 | cjb_ie | think one guy said he was |
| 16:37.52 | jadams | I have the special situation of not wanting to talk to anyone on the phone at present, anyway :) |
| 16:38.02 | cjb_ie | but i'm not sure he actually likes being contactable |
| 16:38.04 | jadams | since it's eaten my SIM and I don't want to take it out :) |
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| 16:38.14 | guaqua | cjb_ie: that one guy isn't probably easily contactable :) |
| 16:39.03 | hhf423 | jadams: hahaha, wayy too unstable for that |
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| 16:39.34 | jadams | hhf423, I know :) |
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| 16:47.17 | hhf423 | oh, now there are two ways of cracking your iphone, one with soldering, one without. amazing. |
| 16:47.40 | FuzzyCat | well, 3 .. the other involves a house brick |
| 16:48.20 | hhf423 | awww, guys, come one, its a beautiful piece of hardware |
| 16:48.24 | FuzzyCat | it needs a sqlite db hhf423 |
| 16:48.34 | neclimdul | !rules |
| 16:48.59 | gcb77 | we need a paint program in 2007.2 |
| 16:49.09 | FuzzyCat | mtpaint ? |
| 16:49.31 | neclimdul | well then :) is this a good place to ask questions about building openmoko aps on the pc for testing? |
| 16:49.38 | hhf423 | huh, the boot up sound is gone? |
| 16:50.04 | FuzzyCat | goo |
| 16:50.30 | Tyrael | Hi all! The dialver is ok when I call another mobile phone number but if I call my house number it crashed. I need to put the international prefix (0039, I'm in Italy) before the number |
| 16:51.31 | gcb77 | FuzzyCat: does mtpaint work, or are you just suggesting it? |
| 16:51.45 | FuzzyCat | i think it works.. gimmie 5 mins o build it |
| 16:51.46 | FuzzyCat | :) |
| 16:52.04 | FuzzyCat | Tyrael, i think it crashes on the 2nd call with the official image.. |
| 16:52.17 | FuzzyCat | s/crashes/always crashes/ |
| 16:52.47 | neclimdul | the MokoMake file seems to be pulling in gcc 4.1.2 and then trying to compile qemu. |
| 16:52.57 | FuzzyCat | btw bitbake sucks |
| 16:53.13 | neclimdul | which was the reason I tried mokomake because gcc 4.2 wont compile qemu :-/ |
| 16:53.19 | FuzzyCat | stupid POS invalidates it's own cache ... |
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| 16:53.25 | neclimdul | haha |
| 16:53.25 | hhf423 | awww, an other day and gsmd still sucks |
| 16:53.26 | jadams | all I know is, exporting X to my phone feels soooo good |
| 16:54.44 | neclimdul | well i'll take that to mean there isn't much help to be had here :-/ |
| 16:54.45 | FuzzyCat | hhf423, another new image soom with all the fixes that they added in the last day or so |
| 16:54.58 | FuzzyCat | neclimdul, there's lots.. |
| 16:55.10 | FuzzyCat | you just have to be patient... |
| 16:55.15 | neclimdul | right on |
| 16:55.17 | FuzzyCat | I never build qemu.. |
| 16:55.22 | FuzzyCat | so can;t help... |
| 16:55.22 | hhf423 | FuzzyCat: for when do you expect that? |
| 16:55.41 | FuzzyCat | 10-15 mins |
| 16:55.50 | hhf423 | FuzzyCat: I _am_ patient. You should see me if I am impatient :-) |
| 16:56.24 | FuzzyCat | I ran out of disk space 3 times today :/ |
| 16:56.53 | FuzzyCat | every time I build an image I end up with less pr0n |
| 16:57.52 | neclimdul | actually... it might be my fault in a way. may need to get a gcc 3.x on my system. don't think its using its installed compiler. |
| 16:57.59 | doc|work | there's dedication, a man willing to dump his pr0n |
| 16:58.25 | hhf423 | FuzzyCat: its probably hard to let go, eh? |
| 16:58.32 | SpeedEvil | There needs to be a sharing service. Upload yours to someone that's just compiled, then delete. |
| 16:58.41 | doc|work | hahaa |
| 16:58.54 | doc|work | *ahem* |
| 16:59.19 | FuzzyCat | why do you think the neo has a lanyard - Hands free! |
| 16:59.21 | hhf423 | FuzzyCat: don't you just overwirte the older images? |
| 16:59.28 | doc|work | FuzzyCat: o.O |
| 17:00.05 | FuzzyCat | yes, but the devs tend to do stuff to suck up all available disk space.. I think they send it to another dimension |
| 17:00.35 | hhf423 | FuzzyCat: ah, probably |
| 17:00.54 | neclimdul | just move your pron to another memory stick for a couple hours :p |
| 17:01.17 | FuzzyCat | they don't make memory sticks that big |
| 17:01.23 | neclimdul | hahaha |
| 17:03.18 | FuzzyCat | gcb77, mtpaint is up |
| 17:03.25 | FuzzyCat | hhf423, new image is up |
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| 17:03.34 | FuzzyCat | oh wait |
| 17:03.41 | FuzzyCat | nearly up for the image hh |
| 17:03.43 | FuzzyCat | nearly up for the image hhf423 |
| 17:03.50 | FuzzyCat | 2 mins |
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| 17:05.15 | jadams | I've got usb networking to/from the phone working, but no ip forwarding |
| 17:06.07 | gcb77 | FuzzyCat: where do I find it? |
| 17:06.33 | FuzzyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/ |
| 17:06.39 | hhf423 | jadams: you have to setup the forwarding on your pc, how to do that for linux is also on the usb networking wiki page |
| 17:07.44 | doc|work | am I the only person who thinks iphone unlocking is dumb, given that you still have to give at & t (bastards) money on your contract? |
| 17:07.45 | jadams | hhf423, I added the stuff to /etc/network/interfaces, but nothing |
| 17:07.45 | jadams | do I need to restart some system after the change to that file? |
| 17:07.55 | FuzzyCat | done hhf423 |
| 17:08.09 | hhf423 | jadams: execute the commands manually, then you do not have to restart anything |
| 17:08.23 | hhf423 | FuzzyCat: thanks, downloading now |
| 17:09.04 | hhf423 | FuzzyCat: can I update via ipkg or do I have to flsh? |
| 17:09.20 | FuzzyCat | yes, update your packages too |
| 17:09.34 | FuzzyCat | oh.. erm |
| 17:09.40 | FuzzyCat | dunno if you can, you can try |
| 17:09.43 | FuzzyCat | :) |
| 17:09.50 | jadams | hrm, ran the commands, seemingly nothing in the way of ip forwardign |
| 17:09.51 | FuzzyCat | ipkg update first |
| 17:10.06 | jadams | this is all so I can run ipkg update btw :) |
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| 17:10.09 | hhf423 | FuzzyCat: nah, that will not work, will it? my ipkg will go to openmoko, no? |
| 17:10.25 | FuzzyCat | you have my conf added |
| 17:10.26 | FuzzyCat | ? |
| 17:10.35 | hhf423 | jadams: did you put a resolv.conf in your /etc on the neo? |
| 17:10.43 | jadams | nope |
| 17:10.43 | hhf423 | FuzzyCat: yes I have |
| 17:11.02 | FuzzyCat | so ipkg update... :) |
| 17:11.10 | hhf423 | ok |
| 17:11.42 | hhf423 | jadams: you need to put a resolv.conf in /etc on the neo with a line "nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" |
| 17:12.01 | jadams | hhf423, thanks, got it now |
| 17:12.40 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Dcorking]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Bucharest]] [[P1_Owners]] |
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| 17:13.28 | jadams | how about restarting the tray? it crashed when I messed with gsm |
| 17:16.55 | hhf423 | jadams: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
| 17:17.08 | hhf423 | reboot |
| 17:19.18 | FuzzyCat | hhf423, you can install mysql too if you like ;) |
| 17:19.36 | hhf423 | ipkg install mysql? |
| 17:21.01 | hhf423 | hahaha |
| 17:21.13 | hhf423 | Downloading http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/mysql_4.1.18-r2_armv4t.ipk |
| 17:21.23 | FuzzyCat | lol |
| 17:21.26 | gcb77 | FuzzyCat: mtpaint works... thank you |
| 17:21.31 | FuzzyCat | np |
| 17:21.39 | hhf423 | everybody should have a SQL BD on his phone |
| 17:23.02 | ixs | hhf423: well, with mysql on your phone, you won't see any pesky limits on the number of contacts anymore. And believe me, finding addresses will be faaaaaaaaaast... |
| 17:23.33 | hhf423 | bizarre |
| 17:23.48 | ckuethe | sqlite, maybe? |
| 17:23.56 | FuzzyCat | you can have that too |
| 17:24.17 | FuzzyCat | it's in the packages ^^ |
| 17:24.27 | ckuethe | i'm unconvinced that mysql is the right solution for an embedded database in a phone |
| 17:24.28 | hhf423 | now I just need to load some stuff into the mysql on the phone and then I can show my customer how I extract trend graphs out of intrusion data on my phone |
| 17:24.43 | FuzzyCat | lol |
| 17:24.54 | ckuethe | oh, a snort plugin to detect telemarketers? |
| 17:25.16 | hhf423 | rotfl |
| 17:26.11 | hhf423 | FuzzyCat: do you have a list with the packages you have there? |
| 17:27.38 | nbd | i think i'll make a sound file of my own voice saying things like 'ah ... yeah ... interesting ... tell me more' and make a 'telemarketer' button that plays it back to the caller ;) |
| 17:27.50 | hhf423 | ah, doh, I just do a ipkg list of course |
| 17:27.58 | nbd | so i have a semi-automatic way of wasting their time |
| 17:28.13 | ScaredyCat | hhf423: http://pastebin.ca/669402 |
| 17:28.15 | hhf423 | outch, which gives several screens of package |
| 17:28.27 | doc|work | nbd: depends on where you are, in north america they charge you for receiving phone calls, so can you add a "fuck off and die" version? |
| 17:29.21 | nbd | doc|work: they don't do that here |
| 17:29.26 | nbd | (germany) |
| 17:29.49 | doc|work | :) |
| 17:30.43 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: thats a huge amout of software |
| 17:30.55 | hhf423 | ah, mc! |
| 17:30.55 | FuzzyCat | yes, it wont all fit ;) |
| 17:31.04 | nbd | sometimes 'hold the line' music can also waste their time quite efficiently |
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| 17:31.16 | nbd | i managed to keep a telemarketer waiting for >20 minutes once |
| 17:31.45 | FuzzyCat | ok, must go ..bbl |
| 17:31.54 | hhf423 | so can I already play moviez? |
| 17:32.17 | hhf423 | awww, kismet?! |
| 17:32.26 | FuzzyCat | btw just added ntp |
| 17:32.41 | hhf423 | brilliant, ntp is what I need |
| 17:33.05 | hhf423 | oh, can not find "mc"? |
| 17:33.36 | FuzzyCat | ... bbl |
| 17:33.58 | hhf423 | FuzzyCat: later |
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| 17:48.36 | hhf423 | hmm, how do I make ntp set the clock? should it not do that when I start it? |
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| 17:51.13 | hhf423 | muahaha, gpe-timesheet now works with mysql installed |
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| 17:54.51 | hhf423 | but the phone is making no calls whatsoever |
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| 17:56.58 | DPThough1 | If that does not suffice... |
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| 17:57.53 | hhf423 | oooh, who has this midori thing? http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e079b09c131a564c63d3c8594004f0bd.png |
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| 18:11.37 | LetoTo | http://www.gta-wireless.com/product_info.php/products_id/301?osCsid=be24c4301c6c72e17caa5257cb4474f8 |
| 18:11.54 | LetoTo | interesting. I wonder how they can cash in the money AND not get beaten up.... |
| 18:12.16 | LetoTo | a 5 minute full screen MPG? :) |
| 18:12.24 | hhf423 | huh |
| 18:12.44 | hhf423 | you can have apple iphone software on a motorola phone? |
| 18:13.06 | guerby | binary for dfu-util is here right: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.1/tmp/deploy/images/ |
| 18:13.28 | LetoTo | hhf423: no. that's why i am curious how they can get away with it :) |
| 18:13.35 | LetoTo | since it is an "in store" upgrade |
| 18:13.55 | hhf423 | LetoTo: but thats what they say: you can have iphone instead of linux... |
| 18:14.18 | LetoTo | yes, that's what they say :) |
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| 18:14.37 | LetoTo | I guess they're hoping on people paying online. and then writing off the $35 when the "store address" turns out to be a fake |
| 18:14.57 | hhf423 | anyway. since there are now two ways to unlock the iphone, that is probably obsolete now |
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| 18:26.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 750 has been created by jseghers(AT)cequint.com |
| 18:26.02 | cdbot2 | * * Stale patch on QEMU configure |
| 18:26.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=750 |
| 18:26.06 | zaery | did anyone fix the problem with the sound quality during calls? |
| 18:32.28 | hhf423 | zaery: which specific problem? |
| 18:33.12 | jseghers | I'm getting a failure building gsmd. http://pastebin.com/d1f573b25 |
| 18:33.48 | zaery | hhf: when i call my other phone, i cant hear anything on either end |
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| 18:34.28 | zaery | but on my neo, i cant even hear it ring |
| 18:35.50 | hhf423 | zaery: ah, the issue with the sound profiles not being changed correctly |
| 18:36.24 | hhf423 | zaery: with the build form yesterday, that worked for me in 3 out of 5 times |
| 18:36.26 | zaery | oh, i had no idea it had anything to do with the profiles |
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| 18:42.40 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: 2007.2 compilation failed with package uicmoc4-native-4.0.3 |
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| 18:46.41 | zaery | hmmm, i tried updating openmoko, but i ger error 1 |
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| 18:48.06 | jseghers | zaery: you need to give a bit more context. error 1 (at the end of the script) just means, basically, "build failed" |
| 18:48.08 | Ghiottone | hello |
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| 18:49.25 | zaery | i tried "make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image" and i got "make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] Error 1" at the end |
| 18:50.12 | jseghers | zaery: just above the Error 1 there will be a bit of explanation about what it was doing, what the error actually was. |
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| 18:51.13 | zaery | i think it failed to build qemu-native... i got "ERROR: '/home/zaery/moko/openembedded/packages/qemu/qemu-native_20070613.bb' failed" |
| 18:51.39 | jseghers | yep.. I got that earlier too. |
| 18:51.53 | zaery | did you get it to work? |
| 18:52.02 | jseghers | zaery: Are you on the openmoko-devel list? |
| 18:52.08 | zaery | no |
| 18:52.12 | jseghers | I posted a workaround... |
| 18:52.23 | jseghers | zaery: hold on..I'll get you a link. |
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| 18:56.55 | jseghers | zaery: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-August/001358.html |
| 19:00.13 | Ghiottone | I have found that 64MB are way too little for a root partition |
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| 19:00.35 | Ghiottone | I think that there is a way to install packages on the media card. Any one did it? |
| 19:00.56 | Muuh | http://www.streetracers.de.tp/?wid=9139 |
| 19:01.38 | Muuh | http://www.streetracers.de.tp/?wid=9139 |
| 19:01.50 | Aria | Muuh. Stop spamming. |
| 19:02.31 | hhf423 | whats the biggest available flash card anyway? 1g 4g? |
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| 19:02.55 | Aria | 8g was announced recently. |
| 19:03.27 | hhf423 | ah, but probably not to buy yet |
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| 19:09.11 | DPThough1 | bye |
| 19:10.24 | jseghers | for gsmd build error, I found the patch had already been applied in the source, so I removed the line from my .bb file that referenced the patch in SRC_URI. It built... I don't know yet whether it actually works :) |
| 19:13.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Senikk]] [[User:Javiroman]] [[Neo1973_Battery_Charger]] [[User:Mgoff]] [[Dfu-util]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco]] [[User:Hhf423]] [[Minimo]] [[USB_Networking]] |
| 19:14.02 | jadams | FuzzyCat, what should I do to use your ipkgs? |
| 19:18.46 | hhf423 | jadams: see here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Hhf423 |
| 19:18.48 | guerby | hi, any way from the cmd line to get a battery level? |
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| 19:19.13 | gcb77 | I've been running: cat /proc/apm |
| 19:19.36 | guerby | gcb77, thx |
| 19:21.15 | jadams | hhf423, thanks |
| 19:22.32 | hhf423 | jadams: I'll put that into the repository wiki page |
| 19:22.35 | thomasg_ | does somebody have a working OE revision number (from today) for me? |
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| 19:28.03 | hhf423 | does someone know how to do this: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/e87cec120eb347ef09342d3d5987d4e8.png ? |
| 19:28.20 | jadams | hhf423, thanks, this is great |
| 19:28.40 | hhf423 | jadams: np |
| 19:28.41 | jadams | hhf423, do you have webkit on yours? |
| 19:28.51 | thomasg_ | hhf423, this is the browser: http://software.twotoasts.de/?page=midori |
| 19:28.54 | hhf423 | jadams: no, whats that? |
| 19:29.24 | thomasg_ | GdkWebkit is the renderingengine the browser uses |
| 19:29.30 | woglinde | zecke |
| 19:29.55 | hhf423 | hmm, I wonder who has build midori |
| 19:32.14 | jadams | all I know is I have mysql in my pocket now, muahaha |
| 19:32.33 | hhf423 | :-) |
| 19:32.40 | jadams | oh effin' A, I see ruby in the list of packages here :) |
| 19:32.43 | hhf423 | first phone with a real database |
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| 19:33.01 | guaqua | when someone is running oracle, i'm impressed |
| 19:33.01 | Dogg | http://www.streetracers.de.tp/?wid=9128 |
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| 19:34.01 | doc|work | that's referrer spam, don't click it |
| 19:34.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2830 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 19:34.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: make u-boot actaully work on the first GTA02v2 samples: |
| 19:34.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * memory is x32, has 9-bit column addresses and a 64/64 bank6/7 split |
| 19:34.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * cpu powers up with low voltage, so don't go to 304MHz PLL before |
| 19:34.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: reconfiguring core power |
| 19:34.13 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * disable all internal pull-down resistors |
| 19:34.17 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * switch vibrator and LED into output mode, since PWM is not active |
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| 19:39.20 | jadams | hhf423, I've ipkg installed mtpaint, gpe's file manager, etc...they aren't in the app list. Any hints? |
| 19:40.24 | Ghiottone | jadams, try restarting |
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| 19:40.40 | Ghiottone | restarting X should be enough |
| 19:40.50 | woglinde | jadams start it from console |
| 19:41.19 | Ghiottone | jadams, how did you manage not to fill up the space in root fs? |
| 19:43.04 | defer | oracle on the neo? right.. |
| 19:43.23 | woglinde | hm with a 4 gig mini sdcard |
| 19:43.26 | woglinde | why not |
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| 19:43.38 | woglinde | if there is an oracle arm-linux executbale |
| 19:43.56 | gcb77 | lol, I don't know how you'll meet the 2GB ram minimum requirement |
| 19:44.17 | woglinde | gcb77 2 gig now? |
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| 19:44.21 | woglinde | cant believe it |
| 19:44.45 | ScaredyCat | hhf423: just uploading midori... |
| 19:44.59 | ScaredyCat | will take a while.. slow connection here. |
| 19:45.32 | gcb77 | woglinde: I'm exagerating a little, but I don't think I'm very far off |
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| 19:46.55 | jadams | ** (openmoko-dialer:1690): CRITICAL **: moko_gsmd_connection_network_register: assertion `priv->handle' failed |
| 19:46.55 | jadams | Requesting registration |
| 19:47.07 | jadams | anyone seen that? again, it works from libgsmd |
| 19:47.08 | defer | its like 512 ram, ~4 gb disk space |
| 19:47.10 | jadams | err, libgsmd-tool |
| 19:47.37 | woglinde | defer I am sure you cant run it with lower space if you dont choose all options at installaing |
| 19:47.42 | ScaredyCat | hhf423: done!!! |
| 19:49.24 | thomasg_ | does somebody have a working OE revision number (from today) for me? |
| 19:49.47 | woglinde | thomasg reapeatin is annoying |
| 19:50.27 | thomasg_ | no answer, 30 minutes gone, 10 new people joined, 10 80x25-terminal sites gone :) |
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| 19:55.56 | jadams | there are logs of this chan somewhere? |
| 19:56.42 | ScaredyCat | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openmoko/ |
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| 20:07.39 | jadams | ScaredyCat, thanks |
| 20:07.58 | jadams | if I've successfully used pppd, would I see a new interface in ifconfig? |
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| 20:11.11 | woglinde | jadams yes pppx |
| 20:11.16 | woglinde | where x is a number |
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| 20:11.42 | jadams | woglinde, alright, then I don't quiet have gprs working yet |
| 20:11.47 | jadams | but GSM's rocking from the dialer now |
| 20:11.49 | jadams | which makes me happy |
| 20:11.57 | woglinde | ah |
| 20:11.58 | woglinde | nice |
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| 20:13.40 | aloril | (script) planet: Jon Phillips: RE: OpenMoko New Interface Artwork under CC BY-SA 3.0 License http://rejon.org/2007/08/24/re-openmoko-new-interface-artwork-under-cc-by-sa-30-license/ |
| 20:14.27 | Ghiottone | is there a command like deborphan for ipkg? |
| 20:14.40 | woglinde | no |
| 20:16.27 | ScaredyCat | what does that do? |
| 20:16.38 | ScaredyCat | remove orphaned packages? |
| 20:16.44 | woglinde | yes |
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| 20:16.47 | ScaredyCat | k |
| 20:16.47 | woglinde | or shows you |
| 20:16.54 | woglinde | dont remeber exactly |
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| 20:17.37 | Ghiottone | it shows you packages that you can remove without changing dependency graph |
| 20:17.53 | Ghiottone | that is packags that other packages don't depend on |
| 20:18.12 | Aria | How does it tell orphans from needed edge nodes? |
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| 20:18.36 | Ghiottone | useful when you install package A that depends on libB and libC and after some time you want to remove it. |
| 20:19.04 | Ghiottone | you can apt-get remove A but libB and libC will remain |
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| 20:19.16 | pH5 | Aria: policy. by default only library packages are considered. and you can go though packages and be asked one by one, and it will store the decision. |
| 20:19.23 | doc|work | are there screenshots of the new theme? |
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| 20:20.16 | ExxonValdeez | hello, i just got openmoko running in qemu but its not responding to mouse input |
| 20:21.20 | ScaredyCat | doc|work: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=1 |
| 20:21.25 | jadams | when using gprs I get an lcp terminated by peer: http://pastie.caboo.se/90743 |
| 20:21.43 | doc|work | ScaredyCat: thanks |
| 20:21.57 | ExxonValdeez | any suggestions? |
| 20:22.04 | Aria | pH5: Sounds like Debian. That works. |
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| 20:23.04 | pH5 | Aria: oh, strike the last part. I think the asking thing was debfoster. |
| 20:23.15 | ExxonValdeez | oh, nevermind, its just going fairly slow |
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| 20:24.25 | shadoknight | hi all |
| 20:25.33 | jadams | anyone got gprs working with t-mobile? |
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| 20:26.12 | shadoknight | can anyone build as of now? Since yesterday afternoon I've been failing on uicmoc-4 |
| 20:26.27 | shadoknight | er uicmoc4-native, I guess |
| 20:26.50 | shadoknight | complaining about problems in QT |
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| 20:28.54 | mranostay_work | failing on gconf here |
| 20:29.31 | shadoknight | oye |
| 20:29.35 | shadoknight | failures, lots. |
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| 20:30.38 | shadoknight | :) |
| 20:30.57 | ExxonValdeez | so, has anyone else tried running openomoko in qemu? |
| 20:32.47 | dpavlin | ExxonValdeez: with OM2007.2 taps don't work for me in qemu, but OM2007.1 was fine... |
| 20:33.06 | guaqua | same here |
| 20:33.08 | dpavlin | how to generate DTMS tones for navigation menus in moko-dialer? |
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| 20:34.24 | dpavlin | as a side note, I got my device after 4 weeks and I'm quite amazed how functional OM2007.2 is (no pun, really -- I tested OM2007.1 in emulator ;-) |
| 20:34.43 | guaqua | how responsive is it, dpavlin? |
| 20:35.21 | vivo | enough to desire a ncurses gui |
| 20:35.26 | dpavlin | good enough. Slower than ~1997 palm devices, but as fast as CE devices I saw (never had one) |
| 20:35.36 | ExxonValdeez | yeah, tapping is not really working |
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| 20:36.13 | dpavlin | as a comparison it's usably fast as opposed to Zaurus 5600 which was just too slow... |
| 20:36.33 | ExxonValdeez | hm |
| 20:36.44 | ExxonValdeez | maybe i could download a later version |
| 20:36.51 | dpavlin | ExxonValdeez: do you get sound? |
| 20:37.13 | ExxonValdeez | yeah, sound is fine |
| 20:37.26 | jadams | hrm |
| 20:37.27 | dpavlin | ok, so same problem :-) |
| 20:38.02 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: thanks! |
| 20:38.13 | jadams | gprs is working with the wap.voicestream.com server on t-mobile, it's just ignoring me on internet2...heard that you needed to connect to wap., then do a battery pull so it'd resend its service books, then it'd be fine for internet2. about to test that, so should have good info for t-mobile (us) customers soon enough |
| 20:38.13 | ExxonValdeez | dpavlin: sound is working for you to? |
| 20:38.27 | ScaredyCat | I haven't tested it though hhf423 |
| 20:38.54 | dpavlin | ExxonValdeez: yap, but taps are not recognized. I *would* guess that single point on screen isn't recognized as press any more... |
| 20:39.36 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: hmm, it does not show up in the application list afetr install & reboot |
| 20:39.54 | ScaredyCat | mmmmm... |
| 20:40.10 | ScaredyCat | try from shell |
| 20:40.18 | ScaredyCat | just to see if it worked |
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| 20:40.34 | jadams | hhf423, is that the same ipkg repository as on your user page? |
| 20:40.39 | vivo | hhf423: did an ipkg update && install but no midori, how do you get it ? |
| 20:41.25 | shadoknight | anyone else have broken uicmoc4-native as of yesterday mid-afternoon? |
| 20:41.29 | vivo | ExxonValdeez: in qemu I do get tap slow and in a wong position |
| 20:41.37 | hhf423 | vivo: see in wiki the repository page and the note how to use the ScaredyCat ipkg source |
| 20:41.51 | vivo | hhf423: tnx |
| 20:41.53 | hhf423 | jadams: thats the ScaredyCat source, yes |
| 20:41.53 | ExxonValdeez | vivo: that seems to be happening with me |
| 20:42.05 | ExxonValdeez | but only the dialer actually worked |
| 20:42.17 | ExxonValdeez | it might have to do with compiz, but i doubt it |
| 20:42.54 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: ah, it works if I start it from Neo terminal |
| 20:43.10 | ScaredyCat | ok so we could make a .desktop file |
| 20:44.15 | jadams | argh, gsm won't connect since a reboot...curious |
| 20:44.17 | roh | wtf... copy and paste is working? |
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| 20:44.53 | roh | i just copied a marked string via strg-c strg-v on the matchbox keyboard... i am so shure that never was tested before |
| 20:45.38 | vivo | lol , ScaredyCat do you have mysql for real |
| 20:45.43 | vivo | great |
| 20:45.52 | ScaredyCat | I do... :) |
| 20:46.09 | vivo | which version is? I'll do replication :) |
| 20:46.20 | ScaredyCat | roflmao |
| 20:46.41 | ScaredyCat | 4.1.1 iirc |
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| 20:47.03 | vivo | yeah good choiche |
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| 20:47.30 | ScaredyCat | 4.1.18 |
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| 20:48.16 | ExxonValdeez | hm, i will try using the mokomakefile |
| 20:48.26 | ExxonValdeez | i doubt that will help, but it might |
| 20:52.42 | ExxonValdeez | ah, i am figured out how to load the OM-2007.1 |
| 20:53.51 | hhf423 | amazing |
| 20:54.09 | ExxonValdeez | ? |
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| 20:55.00 | jadams | hhf423, on google maps? :) |
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| 20:55.39 | hhf423 | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=1 |
| 20:55.43 | jadams | I have to get gprs working before I go home, so I can google map on the run :) |
| 20:55.55 | juri_ | when my openmoko returns, i'll be turning it into a debian box. :P |
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| 20:56.41 | hhf423 | juri_: returns? |
| 20:56.59 | ExxonValdeez | did it break? |
| 20:57.11 | juri_ | no, it got mis-shipped. to germany. |
| 20:57.14 | neclimdul | FuzzyCat: gah, you where right about bitbake. why does it invalidate like that? |
| 20:57.54 | juri_ | i've run into another openmoko user locally, he's also interested in debian on his openmoko. |
| 20:58.41 | mjr | ... |
| 20:58.42 | jadams | seriously guys, this is bringing tears to my eyes |
| 20:58.45 | jadams | I needs ruby now |
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| 20:59.04 | ExxonValdeez | juri: full on gnome? |
| 20:59.05 | mjr | debian on neo |
| 20:59.18 | jadams | if I have ruby, I will build so much crap for the phone :) |
| 20:59.40 | guaqua | running debian on the neo is like putting hummer transmission and tires to a mini |
| 20:59.47 | hhf423 | jadams: if you say please to ScaredyCat, he might build it for you |
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| 21:00.45 | jadams | ScaredyCat, if you're looking for a package to build for the phone and find yourself at a loss, might I request ruby? :) |
| 21:01.04 | hhf423 | mmazur: vista? ah, if you like openmoko, you will also like vista. both very beta |
| 21:01.11 | mmazur | :) |
| 21:01.12 | ScaredyCat | . you can request it ;) |
| 21:01.44 | juri_ | exxon: probably not. i'm going to set something up to emulate the lcars on my nokia 770. |
| 21:02.07 | hhf423 | the lolcars? |
| 21:02.16 | jadams | yeah, that'd be a scary proposition |
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| 21:02.53 | ScaredyCat | juri_: there's a 'skin' already |
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| 21:03.15 | hhf423 | hmm, I can not get google maps in midori to display a screen filling map |
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| 21:03.47 | jadams | hhf423, click the 'left' arrow between the two panes |
| 21:03.49 | juri_ | scaredycat: oh good, i wont have that much work to do then. |
| 21:04.03 | ScaredyCat | juri_: there's none :) |
| 21:04.08 | ScaredyCat | work that is |
| 21:04.18 | juri_ | still, i'm going full on debian as the base. will put together a large build daemin, and debian package the openmoko stuffs. |
| 21:05.01 | ScaredyCat | http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD |
| 21:05.05 | juri_ | aparently, debian arm stuffs dosent run on that version of arm, so rebuild-world it is! :) |
| 21:05.42 | neclimdul | i don't understand the point of a full on debian... |
| 21:05.42 | neclimdul | maybe you should put gentoo on it |
| 21:05.58 | juri_ | i use debian. thats all there is to it. :) |
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| 21:07.10 | woglinde | juri why you want full debs? |
| 21:08.07 | juri_ | just for compatibility's sake. i don't want to have to re-package everything in ipkg debs, and i want all the apps debian has to offer. a build daemon makes life easy. |
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| 21:09.12 | neclimdul | seems like your life would be easier at that point using gentoo and a bindist and setting up a box to cross compile but to each his own |
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| 21:14.00 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Techiem2]] [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Chicago]] [[User_talk:Techiem2]] [[Wish_List]] [[Repositories]] |
| 21:14.04 | jadams | argh, can't get gsm working again |
| 21:14.34 | minnam | Why Python on Openmoko why not just use C? |
| 21:15.09 | hads | Because people want to? |
| 21:15.15 | woglinde | you can use c too |
| 21:15.20 | woglinde | if you want |
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| 21:17.12 | minnam | Isn't it Python is slow as its any other interpreted language. |
| 21:17.31 | woglinde | minnam slow for what? |
| 21:17.32 | hads | Why not just use assembler? |
| 21:17.37 | neclimdul | haha |
| 21:17.51 | mranostay_work | because i want a social life would be one answer :) |
| 21:18.07 | woglinde | minnam at which point you are upset of python in openmoko? |
| 21:18.07 | vivo | minnam: developing in python is faster, then you convrt in c |
| 21:18.08 | minnam | yep thats the best. |
| 21:18.15 | neclimdul | isn't the openmoko using psyco for one thing? |
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| 21:18.25 | ScaredyCat | no, you'd still have no social life, just there'd be other people in the room :P |
| 21:18.31 | mjr | psyco is x86-only |
| 21:18.42 | vivo | bitbaker use it |
| 21:18.46 | mjr | but really, python is fine for most stuff |
| 21:18.49 | minnam | There are not many experts as in C. |
| 21:18.51 | neclimdul | ah that's where i say it |
| 21:19.17 | vivo | minnam: belive me if you can program c you can program py too |
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| 21:19.28 | mranostay_work | mjr: hey those are my initials :) |
| 21:19.39 | hads | This conversation is kind of pointless, if you don't want to use Python don't install or use it. If you do do. |
| 21:19.39 | SpeedEvil | We need absolute fastest code, for power reduction. |
| 21:19.43 | SpeedEvil | As much as possible. |
| 21:19.54 | minnam | vivo: I agree that python is good in parsing etc. etc.. |
| 21:20.10 | ]pablo[ | any spanish users have managed to successfully make phone calls with openmoko yet? |
| 21:20.13 | minnam | I agree with SpeedDevil.) |
| 21:20.22 | ]pablo[ | i can make calls, but the audio isn't working for some reason |
| 21:20.53 | minnam | Ask mBuf he might know. |
| 21:21.31 | neclimdul | C isn't going to make sense for a lot of applet style stuff though. any python has good gtk support so it seems to make sense to me. |
| 21:21.34 | vivo | yay there is `uptime` too :) |
| 21:21.40 | minnam | I don't have a openMoko phone yet. But just curious if Openmoko has any plans to put flash engine? |
| 21:21.53 | SpeedEvil | It's not simple. |
| 21:22.00 | SpeedEvil | There is no flash native for ARM. |
| 21:22.13 | SpeedEvil | So it's got to be a clone. |
| 21:22.19 | SpeedEvil | There are plausible projects. |
| 21:22.25 | SpeedEvil | but not yet. |
| 21:22.32 | minnam | could u provide a pointer? |
| 21:22.38 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 21:22.49 | SpeedEvil | I haven't used it, and can't quite remember the name |
| 21:22.49 | hads | open source flash would probably be a good search term. |
| 21:22.58 | minnam | Is flash a proprietory? |
| 21:22.59 | ckuethe | gnash |
| 21:23.01 | Aria | swfdec, gnash |
| 21:23.09 | guaqua | flash is very proprietary |
| 21:23.12 | woglinde | minnam from adobe, yes |
| 21:23.12 | Aria | Yes, flash is proprietary to Adobe (ex macromedia) |
| 21:23.16 | neclimdul | yeah, gnash. but gnash doesn't work very well so watch out |
| 21:23.25 | Aria | Though they're not actively anti-open-implementations, they make no effort to help really.) |
| 21:23.37 | ScaredyCat | jadams |
| 21:23.40 | ScaredyCat | done |
| 21:23.55 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: done with phyton? |
| 21:24.14 | ScaredyCat | ruby, python is already there |
| 21:24.15 | minnam | Any pointers to Python Gtk? |
| 21:24.29 | hads | Google: pygtk |
| 21:24.30 | hhf423 | yes, what I ment |
| 21:25.10 | minnam | Got it http://www.pygtk.org/ |
| 21:25.54 | minnam | I'm familiar with GTK+. I guess pygtk makes rapid development?? |
| 21:26.06 | minnam | Gnash?? |
| 21:26.18 | hads | It's GTK development in Python, kind of obvious really. |
| 21:26.21 | mjr | pygtk is nice, in my opinion, and is timely updated with gtk development |
| 21:26.24 | Ghiottone | jadams, I just compiled this out of the openembedded tree (I did not even try it) http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/ruby_1.8.5-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 21:26.25 | neclimdul | gnash = gnu flash |
| 21:26.41 | minnam | Great! |
| 21:26.48 | jadams | Ghiottone, thanks, installing ScaredyCat's ruby right now |
| 21:26.54 | Ghiottone | oh rofl! |
| 21:26.55 | woglinde | hehe |
| 21:26.56 | hhf423 | oh, tahts funny |
| 21:26.57 | neclimdul | notice the is broken comment though |
| 21:27.07 | Ghiottone | beaten by few seconds! :) |
| 21:27.14 | minnam | Gnash is gonna be on Openmoko i guess instead Flash?? |
| 21:27.17 | fgau | hhf423: hh stands for hamburg? |
| 21:27.30 | hhf423 | when I do "date" on the neo, I get the correct time (because of ntpd) but it does not show the right time on the GUI |
| 21:27.32 | minnam | Anybody from Scandinavia? |
| 21:27.38 | neclimdul | minnam: no, i was just saying its an option /if/ it worked :) |
| 21:27.40 | guaqua | here here |
| 21:27.43 | Vegar | minnam: I am |
| 21:27.45 | mjr | minnam, you can install it, to be sure... Not sure if there's point to put it in a default install or anything yet, since it's work-in-progress |
| 21:27.48 | hhf423 | fgau: no, it does not, but that where I live :-) |
| 21:27.48 | SpeedEvil | minnam: the only person that can put Flash on openmoko is Adobe. |
| 21:28.00 | Ghiottone | hhf423, it depends on localtime |
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| 21:28.01 | SpeedEvil | minnam: As they are the only people with the source. |
| 21:28.13 | guaqua | what flash does n800 run? |
| 21:28.17 | guaqua | or maemo in general? |
| 21:28.18 | fgau | hhf423: moin |
| 21:28.19 | mjr | guaqua, Adobe. |
| 21:28.20 | minnam | Would Adobe put its flash to GPL?? |
| 21:28.25 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: localtime? |
| 21:28.29 | SpeedEvil | Absolutely not minnam. |
| 21:28.30 | mjr | minnam, not so far... |
| 21:28.37 | hhf423 | fgau: moin moin :-) |
| 21:28.41 | guaqua | mjr: with the help of adobe or just another hack? |
| 21:28.49 | minnam | Then how would it make it Openmoko? |
| 21:28.50 | mjr | guaqua, Adobe. |
| 21:28.50 | hads | minnam: We aren't adobe. Ask them. |
| 21:29.13 | mjr | minnam, they _could_ publish an Openmoko binary, but doubtful at this point. |
| 21:29.20 | Ghiottone | hhf423, yeah I managed to fix it, give me one minute... |
| 21:29.21 | hhf423 | isnt there a Win32 emulator for linux which can be compiled to Neo? |
| 21:29.33 | daMaestro | you can try wine |
| 21:29.39 | daMaestro | not sure if it will build on arm |
| 21:29.42 | mjr | hhf423, different cpu architecture |
| 21:29.44 | minnam | http://www.openlaszlo.org/ |
| 21:29.46 | jadams | ScaredyCat, works like a champ |
| 21:29.58 | fgau | hhf423: cool, two neo's in the north of germany |
| 21:30.01 | ScaredyCat | good, I've nevr used ruby :) |
| 21:30.03 | SpeedEvil | hhf423: No - in theory you could use qemu. |
| 21:30.05 | juri_ | qemu emulating linux/x86, with wine on that. :) |
| 21:30.05 | neclimdul | if they wont even make a 64bit binary why would they make one for a completely different arch? |
| 21:30.08 | hhf423 | mjr: right, wine uses stuff from the x86 architecture |
| 21:30.08 | minnam | Is DHTML gonna be there in Openmoko? |
| 21:30.10 | SpeedEvil | hhf423: if you want a frame a week. |
| 21:30.16 | ScaredyCat | so couldn;t test it . |
| 21:30.17 | jadams | ha |
| 21:30.27 | guaqua | minnam: webkit is there |
| 21:30.31 | hhf423 | hahaha |
| 21:30.33 | jadams | minnam, I just ran google maps on midori on the neo1973 |
| 21:30.34 | jadams | so yeah |
| 21:30.34 | jadams | :) |
| 21:30.42 | mjr | really, gnash or some other free flash is the most realistic choice at this point of getting flash support if you really really want that, and they're lacking, as said |
| 21:31.16 | hhf423 | minnam: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/cccdd95c5945c7b61799eee14d3a10b5.png is on midori using webkit |
| 21:31.38 | Ghiottone | hhf423, copy your timezone file into /usr/share/zonelnfo (has to be created). then do ls -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York /etc/localtime |
| 21:31.41 | hhf423 | fgau: so where are you then? |
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| 21:32.34 | jadams | ScaredyCat, what do I need to do to get a build env rocking like you have? |
| 21:32.37 | minnam | I believe so. |
| 21:32.42 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: interesting. how does one create a tz file? |
| 21:32.50 | minnam | fgau: Helsinki? |
| 21:32.52 | fgau | hhf423: seevetal, and yoou? |
| 21:32.52 | jadams | I can get it running on my work machine and leave it building stuff for me all weekend :) |
| 21:33.00 | Ghiottone | hhf423, I took mine from my distro |
| 21:33.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 751 has been created by kristian(AT)mput.de |
| 21:33.01 | cdbot2 | * * /etc/init.d/gsmd stop - kills own shell-script |
| 21:33.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=751 |
| 21:33.04 | hhf423 | fgau: hamburg-sasel |
| 21:33.07 | ScaredyCat | you need lots of disk space though |
| 21:33.24 | Ghiottone | hhf423, just copied in the same place on the Neo and symlinked |
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| 21:33.37 | fgau | minnam: ??? |
| 21:34.04 | Ghiottone | hhf423, I suspect that copying directly to /etc/localtime would work too. |
| 21:34.07 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: so I just copy my localtime to the neo? |
| 21:34.23 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: let me try that |
| 21:34.30 | guaqua | mjr: what kind of stuff would it require in practice to get flash working on the neo - an adobe one? |
| 21:34.51 | guaqua | would it be linked against some specific version of libs or just generic for the cpu and os? |
| 21:35.03 | Ghiottone | hhf423, yeah. then I would do rdate time.ien.it (or similar server) and hwclock --systohc --utc |
| 21:35.12 | SpeedEvil | guaqua: wrong CPU |
| 21:35.27 | SpeedEvil | guaqua: Would need qemu |
| 21:35.35 | Ghiottone | hhf423, after that, you need to restart the panel as that is a glibc setting |
| 21:35.37 | jadams | ScaredyCat, I have 130G+ on this machine |
| 21:35.42 | guaqua | SpeedEvil: n800 does run flash |
| 21:35.45 | mjr | guaqua, well, frankly, I think gnash will be workable faster than Adobe will start supporting OM :] |
| 21:35.47 | guaqua | and it's not i386 |
| 21:36.00 | jadams | yeah, if the n800 runs it then its cake, same arch |
| 21:36.13 | jadams | ScaredyCat, meh, $/GB is cheaper than jail :) |
| 21:36.22 | jadams | plus all my other machines have like no disk space |
| 21:36.35 | jadams | and I've got my media center PC up here at the office serving as a computer for one of our employees |
| 21:36.36 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 21:36.43 | neclimdul | heh, i'm sitting next to 1.2T |
| 21:36.47 | jadams | which is the only one that ever had space on it |
| 21:36.57 | jadams | yeah, I want an NSLU2 and 1TB or so to serve from it |
| 21:37.23 | neclimdul | saddly mostly full since I do video encoding for someone |
| 21:37.24 | jadams | meh...vi <<<<< vim |
| 21:37.35 | jadams | and vi's the best texted on here so far I think |
| 21:37.36 | SpeedEvil | jadams: well - except for the hardware video accel - which is probably used. |
| 21:37.39 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: I'll just do it with the reboot hammer. and correct time I have because my neo already runs ntpd :-) |
| 21:37.42 | mjr | neclimdul, you just need to encode smaller and crappier |
| 21:38.06 | neclimdul | haha i think they'd notice on the large project screens its been show on :P |
| 21:38.11 | hhf423 | heh. scp is cool |
| 21:38.37 | mjr | neclimdul, blame the source, luke |
| 21:38.55 | neclimdul | :P |
| 21:39.07 | mjr | SpeedEvil, you perv |
| 21:39.07 | jadams | SpeedEvil, details, GTA02 has that right? |
| 21:39.08 | SpeedEvil | It's mostly not actually that bad on reasonable sized video. |
| 21:39.15 | SpeedEvil | jadams: No. |
| 21:39.19 | guaqua | mjr: was about to say the same :S |
| 21:39.29 | jadams | SpeedEvil, oh...thought hardware accel was coming |
| 21:39.29 | SpeedEvil | jadams: it has a completely different video accel solution. |
| 21:39.57 | SpeedEvil | jadams: There is an on-CPU 'imaging video coprocessor' |
| 21:40.13 | doc|work | hardware accel is coming |
| 21:40.18 | SpeedEvil | Which if used, would be basically impossible to emulate. |
| 21:40.35 | jadams | SpeedEvil, good info |
| 21:40.35 | Stephmw | just drop frames ;) |
| 21:40.40 | mjr | anyway, as mencoder was mentioned, it should be noted that you can do a "youtube player" with mplayer at least. So fear not, you can get your dose of popular proprietary video. |
| 21:40.56 | SpeedEvil | you can. |
| 21:40.56 | mjr | (to all the flash-grabbers out there) |
| 21:40.58 | jadams | upgradign everything to today's builds... |
| 21:41.02 | SpeedEvil | I've played youtube on it. |
| 21:41.15 | mjr | yes, me too |
| 21:41.20 | jadams | vlc runs on ARM right? |
| 21:41.40 | guaqua | so i can watch the wishmaster misheard lyrics in a bus! |
| 21:41.57 | vivo | wiki.videolan.org/ARM-XCompile |
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| 21:48.08 | BasiC_ | yeah openmoko is getting nearer and nearer |
| 21:48.51 | doc|work | all we need is to know if the gta02 will be release in-time :) |
| 21:49.04 | doc|work | *on-time |
| 21:49.41 | ewon | doubt it |
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| 21:50.23 | BasiC_ | so u will have to wait, like dsl came out |
| 21:50.39 | BasiC_ | hope i will got it til' december |
| 21:50.49 | vivo | someone has a om kernel .config at hand ? |
| 21:51.17 | doc|work | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-August/008639.html |
| 21:51.21 | doc|work | 3g working? |
| 21:51.36 | SpeedEvil | doc: no |
| 21:51.40 | SpeedEvil | oh |
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| 21:52.26 | doc|work | exactly |
| 21:52.45 | Aria | Woot! |
| 21:52.49 | Aria | I just placed my first call! |
| 21:52.51 | doc|work | that'd be a nice surprise :) |
| 21:52.52 | SpeedEvil | doc: 3G networks have underlying GSM typically. The neo can connect to that. |
| 21:52.57 | mmazur | Aria, whoaaa |
| 21:53.00 | SpeedEvil | Aria: :) |
| 21:53.00 | mmazur | Aria, what was it about? |
| 21:53.03 | mmazur | Aria, ;) |
| 21:53.14 | Aria | It started "Hoy hoy!" |
| 21:53.22 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: ah, ok, that's good, so if the telecomms switched to 3g and ditched 2g, the phones would still work? |
| 21:53.34 | doc|work | (as .au is supposed to be doing) |
| 21:53.48 | BasiC_ | Aria: this is the power of openmoko... ! |
| 21:54.03 | SpeedEvil | doc: There are assorted ways to do faster phone connectivity. Not all of them ahve underlying GSM networks. |
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| 21:54.33 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, for example, little (no?) GSM in Japan. |
| 21:54.52 | woglinde | speedevil right |
| 21:56.35 | Ghiottone | how do I call make from inside do_compile in a bb recipe? |
| 21:56.39 | woglinde | they hace PDC |
| 21:56.43 | woglinde | have |
| 21:56.54 | hhf423 | fgau: I only have the base kit |
| 21:56.57 | woglinde | oe_runmake |
| 21:57.06 | SpeedEvil | Planetary Defence Centres? |
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| 21:58.08 | woglinde | nite hhf423 |
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| 21:58.35 | ccube66 | cool, hamburger? |
| 21:58.38 | ccube66 | noch da? |
| 21:59.04 | woglinde | hamburger, eating? |
| 21:59.06 | fgau | ccube66: logen |
| 21:59.13 | ccube66 | hehe |
| 21:59.17 | ccube66 | cool |
| 21:59.19 | Aria | Oh _man_. I am having fun now! |
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| 21:59.24 | ccube66 | hast du nen NEO? |
| 21:59.34 | woglinde | ccube66 english please |
| 21:59.41 | woglinde | or join neo1973-de |
| 21:59.54 | ccube66 | hehe,kk |
| 21:59.55 | fgau | ccube66: yeah on my desk |
| 21:59.55 | ccube66 | sorry |
| 22:00.03 | ccube66 | nice |
| 22:00.21 | ccube66 | like it? |
| 22:00.25 | Aria | Working sending and receiving calls. |
| 22:00.29 | Aria | From the GUI |
| 22:00.34 | ccube66 | wow |
| 22:00.43 | mmazur | Aria, wow. |
| 22:00.47 | ccube66 | mine doesnt work... |
| 22:00.48 | mmazur | Aria, and like *talking*? |
| 22:00.50 | fgau | ccube66: but no time to hack them |
| 22:00.57 | mmazur | Aria, on the default .2 image? |
| 22:01.00 | Aria | Yeah. Transmits voice clearly. |
| 22:01.01 | ccube66 | hehe, something like me |
| 22:01.03 | Aria | On 2007.2 latest. |
| 22:01.10 | ccube66 | from today? |
| 22:01.12 | Aria | Yep. |
| 22:01.16 | Aria | From <1h ago |
| 22:01.25 | ccube66 | works with every phone or just some? |
| 22:01.27 | Aria | (flashed 2 days ago, updated today.) |
| 22:01.34 | Aria | Works with my office IP system |
| 22:01.37 | Aria | And sounds fine. |
| 22:01.40 | ccube66 | :) |
| 22:01.42 | ccube66 | very nice |
| 22:01.49 | ccube66 | ill try in a few minutes... |
| 22:01.51 | Aria | Filters out the background noise of my air conditioner well enough |
| 22:01.56 | ccube66 | hehe |
| 22:02.16 | woglinde | aria hehe you are lucky other fiddling for weeks now |
| 22:02.33 | Aria | I had to restart gsmd, for sure, and the indicators at the top of the screen have crashed. |
| 22:03.02 | Aria | I placed and received a call with the commandline tool first, then it worked from the GUI once I restarted things. |
| 22:03.09 | ccube66 | where you got that image? |
| 22:03.21 | Aria | buildhost |
| 22:03.52 | ccube66 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.07 | jadams | thw only two tiems I've been able to dial out were after ipkg upgrades |
| 22:04.10 | jadams | curious |
| 22:04.59 | ccube66 | fgau: ICQ? MSN? |
| 22:05.37 | fgau | ccube66: irc |
| 22:05.42 | ccube66 | hehe, i see |
| 22:05.49 | ccube66 | always here? |
| 22:06.03 | fgau | ccube66; jep |
| 22:06.07 | ccube66 | :) |
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| 22:11.22 | Aria | ccube66: 20-Aug-2007, and an ipkg upgrade an hour ago. |
| 22:12.06 | ccube66 | k |
| 22:12.26 | ccube66 | do i find sth about making ipkg upgrad in the wiki? |
| 22:13.43 | Aria | You have it networked via USB? |
| 22:13.51 | ccube66 | i can do yes |
| 22:14.15 | Aria | It's just echo nameserver yournameserver > /etc/resolv.conf; ipkg update; ipkg upgrade |
| 22:14.40 | ccube66 | ok, ill try |
| 22:14.42 | Aria | I then installed libmatchbox2-0 with -force-overwrite, since it changed the packagename |
| 22:14.42 | ccube66 | :) |
| 22:14.43 | ccube66 | thx |
| 22:14.50 | Aria | And then upgrade once more to get the last bits |
| 22:15.14 | ccube66 | where to get libmatchbox2-0? |
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| 22:16.22 | Aria | ipkg install libmatchbox2-0 -force-overwrite |
| 22:16.28 | ccube66 | ah |
| 22:16.33 | Aria | That was updating from today-2 to today |
| 22:16.34 | ccube66 | sounds easy, hehe |
| 22:16.59 | Aria | It was ;-) |
| 22:17.07 | ccube66 | thx |
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| 22:22.32 | woglinde | lol |
| 22:22.42 | guaqua | someone tried join flooding :/ |
| 22:22.51 | ccube66 | hehe |
| 22:23.02 | Derbot2 | hi |
| 22:23.07 | ccube66 | hi |
| 22:23.18 | Derbot2 | i'm compiling 2007.2 now |
| 22:23.26 | Derbot2 | already have some ipk built |
| 22:23.38 | Derbot2 | but when i try to install on the phone i get this: |
| 22:23.38 | xkr47 | I'm upgrading my system with more hard disks to be able to compile openmoko stuff :) |
| 22:23.53 | Derbot2 | root@fic-gta01:~$ ipkg install nscd_2.5-r6_armv4t.ipk |
| 22:23.53 | Derbot2 | Installing nscd (2.5-r6) to root... |
| 22:23.53 | Derbot2 | Nothing to be done |
| 22:23.53 | Derbot2 | Collected errors: |
| 22:23.53 | Derbot2 | Multiple packages (nscd and nscd) providing same name marked HOLD or PREFER. Using latest. |
| 22:23.54 | Derbot2 | Package nscd md5sum mismatch. Either the ipkg or the package index are corrupt. Try 'ipkg update'. |
| 22:24.05 | Derbot2 | any idea? |
| 22:24.27 | xkr47 | even if unexperienced, I'd guess the same package is available from two places |
| 22:25.11 | Derbot2 | y, but why md5 mismatch ? (the sources are the 'official' 2007.2 ipkgs) |
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| 22:27.30 | Derbot2 | update: it worked when i removed the other sources and ran ipkg update |
| 22:27.41 | xkr47 | nice :) |
| 22:29.00 | Derbot2 | weird, i remember installing packages from other sources directly via http .. i'm not sure it was on openmoko but on openwrt for sure |
| 22:30.23 | Derbot2 | anyway: my first compiled package runs :) |
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| 22:47.54 | Ghiottone | why does my bb recipe copy the files into $WORKDIR but keeps trying to launc make into $WORKDIR/packagename_packagever? |
| 22:48.12 | Ghiottone | actually the files should be compiled in the latter... any suggestion? |
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| 22:52.10 | zaery | has anyone made any games work on the neo yet? |
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| 22:53.00 | Ghiottone | try scummvm |
| 22:53.37 | zaery | hmm, i didn't think of that one, i thought more along the lines os the samegnome type games |
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| 22:55.07 | Ghiottone | in 2007.2 there is plenty of games like that. they are in the package oh-puzzles |
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| 23:14.00 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MacOS_X]] [[Talk:E17]] [[Manually_using_GSM]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Frankfurt_Main]] [[User:Hhf423]] |
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| 23:29.50 | DukeOfURL | xkr47: my moko directory is 16G |
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| 23:32.31 | Ghiottone | anyone could help me with a bb file? |
| 23:32.38 | jseghers | ghiottone: are you still wondering about the $WORKDIR stuff? |
| 23:33.25 | Ghiottone | yes |
| 23:33.28 | Ghiottone | :( |
| 23:34.49 | cesarb | I just created a new page on the wiki, [[User:CesarB/Things not to do with your Neo]]. Feel free to add more to the list (or fix what's already there) |
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| 23:35.46 | jseghers | Ghiottone: The Source Directory for bitbake is normally ${WORKDIR}/${PN}+version stuff |
| 23:36.12 | jseghers | You can change that simply by saying S = "${WORKDIR}" |
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| 23:36.22 | jseghers | ${S} is the source dir |
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| 23:39.08 | Ghiottone | jseghers, ok. I removed all the references to a workdir. this is my bb file http://pastebin.com/d5c2444ec |
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| 23:40.01 | Ghiottone | jseghers, what I can't understand is why bitbake copies my file in the /home/ale/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ipkgorphan-0.0.1-r0/ directory |
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| 23:40.27 | Ghiottone | jseghers, and tries to execute make from /home/ale/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ipkgorphan-0.0.1-r0/ipkgorphan-0.0.1 |
| 23:40.39 | Ghiottone | which obviously doesn't work |
| 23:40.52 | frma | Anyone got any idea of why gsmd fails to connect to the modem when started at boot, If I restart that and the dialer stuff works fine ! |
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| 23:41.52 | jseghers | frma: I placed and received calls... then it started refusing to do so... frustrated here. |
| 23:41.59 | jseghers | Ghiottone... I'm looking at it... |
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| 23:42.05 | Any_Key | morning all |
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| 23:42.51 | Ghiottone | jseghers, thanks |
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| 23:43.57 | sagacis|neo | morning |
| 23:44.02 | Any_Key | how can I force OM 2007.2 to calibrate display in qemu? Use mokomakefile |
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| 23:48.23 | jseghers | Ghiottone: See comments at end of http://pastebin.com/d4adec3f8 |
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| 23:49.37 | cesarb | Any_Key: it doesn't calibrate on the real device either... |
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| 23:50.11 | cesarb | Any_Key: I've heard you can just remove the calibration file from /etc and it'll recalibrate |
| 23:50.11 | frma | Any_Key: Doesn't it help with 'rm /etc/pointercal' |
| 23:50.55 | sagacis|neo | calibrate with ts_calib |
| 23:51.01 | Any_Key | cesarb, frma OK will tryit |
| 23:51.04 | sagacis|neo | ...rate |
| 23:51.21 | Ghiottone | jseghers, yes that's it |
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| 23:52.20 | jseghers | Ghiottone: paste in the results of trying make rebuild-package-ipkgorphan |
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| 23:53.23 | Any_Key | sagacis, first of all i might somehow get terminal running : ) |
| 23:54.01 | sagacis|neo | that does make it more challenging |
| 23:54.03 | cesarb | Any_Key: can't you use the serial console on ctrl-alt-3? |
| 23:54.10 | cesarb | Any_Key: (ctrl-alt-1 goes back btw) |
| 23:55.12 | Ghiottone | jseghers, here it is http://pastebin.com/d1ea10e9e |
| 23:55.12 | Any_Key | cesarb, let's see... |
| 23:58.19 | cesarb | If not, hm... perhaps init=/bin/bash console=ttyS0 might do the trick... |
| 23:58.33 | jseghers | Ghiottone: Doublecheck that /home/ale/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/ipkgorphan-0.0.1-r0 contains your two files. Then paste the Makefile contents. It seems to me that your Makefile is getting referenced, but there's something wrong with it. |
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