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| 00:02.07 | jseghers | cesarb: for me, uBoot times out if you're not doing anything with it. |
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| 00:02.25 | jseghers | cesarb: but it stays up fine during flashing. |
| 00:04.00 | cesarb | wow, the aux button DOES look like an IR port! |
| 00:04.38 | quicksand | sagacis: Ok, thanks a bunch. I'm kinda new at this. |
| 00:04.40 | khorben | I thought it was one |
| 00:05.30 | cesarb | just pluggind it turned it on... the screen sure is quite sharp |
| 00:05.37 | SpeedEvil | Indeded. |
| 00:06.39 | cesarb | but way too bright... |
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| 00:06.51 | hozer | now.. can you do anything with it ;) |
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| 00:08.33 | cesarb | It says "Enabling automatic fast charge" on the console connection |
| 00:09.15 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure that really means much. |
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| 00:09.36 | SpeedEvil | Unless it's in response to stuff you typed |
| 00:09.41 | jseghers | yes, but if you leave it plugged in there, it will eventually run out of battery power. |
| 00:10.40 | jcazor | is there any way to know the battery charge level? |
| 00:11.01 | jseghers | You can charge it overnight, at slow charge, by removing the battery (guarantees full OFF), then replace battery and plug into USB without touching power button. |
| 00:11.12 | guaqua | you can get the voltage from the cell, i belive, but that doesn't tell anything yet, i guess |
| 00:11.14 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it happens when you connect |
| 00:11.37 | SpeedEvil | neo1973 charger status |
| 00:11.40 | SpeedEvil | try that |
| 00:11.46 | SpeedEvil | guaqua: it does. |
| 00:11.48 | jseghers | They say the batteries it ships with should be able to run a flash. Once you can boot into Openmoko, then charging works well, automatically |
| 00:12.20 | guaqua | SpeedEvil: okay :) |
| 00:12.32 | quicksand | If you can boot to the GUI and get a terminal, apm --monitor will give you a numeric percentage. |
| 00:12.50 | SpeedEvil | neo1973 charger autofast |
| 00:12.50 | quicksand | But I don't know if that percentage is actually useful in the real world. |
| 00:12.54 | SpeedEvil | will turn it on. |
| 00:13.03 | SpeedEvil | quicksand: basically. Ignore the bottom 40% |
| 00:13.09 | SpeedEvil | and you won't be too far out. |
| 00:13.17 | SpeedEvil | 40%=5% |
| 00:13.32 | quicksand | Also it doesn't seem to work if it's plugged in -- I get -1%. :) |
| 00:13.32 | SpeedEvil | (/me has a patch that I need to polish and submit that does a nice curve fit) |
| 00:13.45 | SpeedEvil | Patch also addresses that. |
| 00:13.48 | quicksand | SpeedEvil: that would be most triumphant. |
| 00:13.55 | jcazor | Battery: -1% (?) |
| 00:14.07 | SpeedEvil | that just indicates charging |
| 00:15.24 | jcazor | hmm dont know what happens to my neo, but i charge for hours, and after some time switched off, it doesnt switch on... |
| 00:15.47 | SpeedEvil | It does not properly suspend. |
| 00:15.50 | SpeedEvil | or turn off |
| 00:15.57 | SpeedEvil | after 20-30 hours, it won't. |
| 00:16.10 | SpeedEvil | pull the battery, and replace, to turn properly off. |
| 00:16.14 | SpeedEvil | Or leave plugged in. |
| 00:16.36 | jcazor | hmm |
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| 00:16.46 | quicksand | SpeedEvil: is that the only way? Does shutdown -h leave it in that same screwy state as a long-power-button-press? |
| 00:17.04 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: since you know a lot about the charging: if I plug it, and do nothing but change the console to USB (to check that charger mode says fast_cccv), and let it timeout, will it still do a fast charge? |
| 00:17.17 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: i.e., will the bootloader timeout abort the fast charging? |
| 00:18.49 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: no - as long as you don't unplug and replug it |
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| 00:19.11 | SpeedEvil | quicksand: yes. There is no way I've found to turn it off that does not leave some 30mA of power draw. |
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| 00:19.58 | jseghers | SpeedEvil: Ah, so that's why it drains batteries so fast :P |
| 00:21.31 | jcazor | at least i already know why... i was getting nervous |
| 00:21.43 | SpeedEvil | It should get better. |
| 00:22.44 | jseghers | I suspect that removing the battery and then replacing it would remove the 30ma draw? |
| 00:22.58 | jseghers | then again, maybe not :) |
| 00:23.33 | sagacis | SpeedEvil: I have a patch that pops up a different icon for fast_cccv charging. I can't build right now, so I can't submit.... |
| 00:23.42 | sagacis | Is yours in battery-panel, or the underlying? |
| 00:25.03 | sagacis | jseghers: Removing the battery and keeping it out certainly avoids the 30ma draw |
| 00:25.29 | SpeedEvil | sagacis: kernel |
| 00:25.32 | sagacis | seriously, I've done exactly that with good success. |
| 00:25.44 | sagacis | SpeedEvil: Cool. obviously I'm in the panel applet |
| 00:25.57 | SpeedEvil | Can you simply take the battery out, and rotate it 180 degrees? |
| 00:26.03 | SpeedEvil | and put it back in? |
| 00:26.13 | sagacis | I don't think it'll fit that way. The notches and all. |
| 00:26.23 | sagacis | I'd try, but I'm flashing right now |
| 00:26.26 | SpeedEvil | I like the fact I can do that on my nk3300 |
| 00:26.35 | jseghers | I'm sure it would eliminate the draw, but it IS keyed.. won't fit. |
| 00:26.42 | SpeedEvil | I can't do it at the moment as it'd involve walking 4m. |
| 00:26.43 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: Power off from u-boot menu gave me 0ma draw |
| 00:26.51 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: Odd. |
| 00:26.54 | SpeedEvil | Not when I tried it. |
| 00:27.04 | sagacis | Writchie: Did you update uboot? |
| 00:27.15 | Writchie | no - its what shipped originall 1.2 |
| 00:27.21 | Writchie | may i think |
| 00:27.56 | Writchie | in fact its plugged in right now drawing 0ma - i will now turn it on |
| 00:27.57 | sagacis | How many hashes in a dfu-util download? |
| 00:28.07 | SpeedEvil | IIRC about lots |
| 00:28.10 | SpeedEvil | it takes ages |
| 00:28.13 | jseghers | sagacis: around 50 |
| 00:28.14 | sagacis | :D |
| 00:28.16 | SpeedEvil | some 60K/s weite speed |
| 00:28.22 | SpeedEvil | so it'll take some 10 mins |
| 00:28.22 | Writchie | now drawing 240ma |
| 00:28.31 | sagacis | I've never sat here while downloading a rootfs... |
| 00:28.38 | sagacis | Writchie: 240ma when? |
| 00:28.46 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: are you measureing on battery or 5V? |
| 00:29.15 | Writchie | power off in u-boot now counting down from 90 ma 80ma 70ma |
| 00:29.26 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: current |
| 00:29.29 | Writchie | from usb |
| 00:29.38 | Writchie | its no at 60ma |
| 00:29.47 | Writchie | now 50ma |
| 00:29.51 | sagacis | Writchie: You should post this data on the wiki |
| 00:29.58 | Writchie | this is what i had last time and it then went to zero |
| 00:30.08 | SpeedEvil | odd. |
| 00:30.20 | Writchie | i will try to confirm this on my other neo |
| 00:30.26 | Writchie | this is what i would expect |
| 00:30.29 | SpeedEvil | I'm going to be doing some more accurate work with the scope tonight. |
| 00:30.43 | Writchie | a clean shutdown of the PM chip should draw microamps |
| 00:30.50 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 00:30.50 | cesarb | Hm, is 18G enough for 2007.2? |
| 00:30.51 | Writchie | maybe u-boot does this |
| 00:31.10 | Writchie | now i'm at 40ma |
| 00:31.23 | sagacis | FWIR, the 30ma draw was because of not shutting down the gsm correctly when shutting down the kernel. |
| 00:31.41 | SpeedEvil | I tried the echo 0 >whateverthefileis |
| 00:31.45 | SpeedEvil | and it diddn't change it. |
| 00:31.45 | sagacis | cesarb: 12G is the current estimate, but mine takes ~21G |
| 00:32.18 | Writchie | it seems to me i was drawing 40ma even after a battery change |
| 00:32.18 | sagacis | I have been popping the battery out and replacing when off for extended periods |
| 00:32.24 | sagacis | man that boot sound is LOUD. |
| 00:33.40 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: now at 0ma |
| 00:34.11 | alphaone | night all |
| 00:34.30 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: did you try the ATsomething shutdown command? |
| 00:34.54 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the one documented on the page about the AT commands as neo-specific? |
| 00:35.11 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: Ok, after reaching 0ma - unplug and replug of USB and its back to drawing 40ma |
| 00:37.22 | alphaone | Writchie: Could be capacitors charging? |
| 00:37.38 | cworth | wow, people weren't kidding when they said the device screams when plugged into USB but without battery |
| 00:37.55 | roh | alphaone i think its the gsm powering on in stdby to enable flashing firmware |
| 00:37.58 | roh | gsm firmware |
| 00:37.58 | Writchie | cworth: this not recommended |
| 00:38.21 | cworth | Darn, it seems I never can get either of these neos to charge a battery. |
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| 00:39.03 | cworth | Writchie: Yeah, I didn't do it intentionally. And yes, when hardware other than speakers and buzzers starts making lots of noise, I know to pull the power pretty quick. :-) |
| 00:39.13 | alphaone | roh: Okay, that's more likely |
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| 00:39.32 | jseghers | Bah Humbug... It built once... now it won't build uboot-openmoko or linux.... I think there's probably a partial checkin or something... time to go home, I'll try it again tomorrow. |
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| 00:40.52 | Writchie | alphaone: When power-off using u-boot, it seems to top off the battery and then go to zero current draw. |
| 00:40.55 | cesarb | Does subscription to device-owners send a confirmation email? I requested the subscription on the web form about half an hour ago, and I didn't get any confirmation request email yet |
| 00:41.11 | Writchie | however, on re-insertion of usb, it appears to power something up. |
| 00:42.09 | Writchie | cesarb: if you mean mailing list they have been quite flakey over the past week |
| 00:42.39 | cesarb | Writchie: yep, it's the mailing list |
| 00:42.54 | Writchie | when its up the confirm comes pretty much right away |
| 00:43.06 | alphaone | Writchie: insertion of usb is supposed to power up the device. It's supposed to show charging animation / give feedback that the device is being charged. |
| 00:43.12 | cesarb | Writchie: I hope it's just that and not my email service blocking the server due to some random blocklist |
| 00:43.13 | alphaone | But that's not there yet. |
| 00:43.24 | alphaone | Anyway. I need some sleep now. |
| 00:43.26 | alphaone | nicht |
| 00:43.30 | alphaone | night even |
| 00:43.41 | cesarb | alphaone: they made a flaming sliding screen for uboot, yet no charging animation, which would be more useful? |
| 00:43.51 | cesarb | alphaone: night |
| 00:45.20 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: charge is not rational at all. |
| 00:45.28 | Writchie | u-boot draws 410 ma |
| 00:45.39 | Writchie | then power off draws about 360ma for a while |
| 00:45.46 | Writchie | then drops to 40ma |
| 00:46.17 | sagacis | if gsmd doesn't start on boot, and I start it later, is there some way to re-attach the dialer to it? |
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| 00:51.05 | Writchie | OK, my build attempt is running into the same uboot problem. |
| 00:51.33 | Writchie | it sure would be nice to have one stable unchanging reference point to get the tool chain working |
| 00:51.43 | hozer | heh |
| 00:52.27 | Writchie | this is 72 hours now trying to build om 2007.2 with MokoMakefile |
| 00:52.49 | cesarb | Writchie: something like "pin everything to how it was at 23:59:01 of the day 21-08-2007"? |
| 00:53.38 | cesarb | (I think "svnnow" and similar tricks are incredibly harmful to reproducibility, especially when they are in the middle of more than 1000 packages being built) |
| 00:54.37 | Writchie | this way of doing it doesn't seem realitistic. |
| 00:55.51 | Writchie | it may work for 4 or 5 guys but not hundreds |
| 00:58.00 | Writchie | don't try to use the build system - that would be impossible. Instead try to imagine - there is no build system! |
| 00:58.35 | cesarb | Writchie: LOL |
| 00:59.43 | sagacis | heh. Call history is entertaining. I dialed 5 test calls. The last was successful. It shows 5 missed calls on the Today screen, and in the history, it says 5 received calls. |
| 00:59.58 | Writchie | instructions for the neo are in the HD-DVD version. |
| 01:00.07 | sagacis | Special features?/ |
| 01:00.26 | Writchie | sagacis: at least it got the 5 right |
| 01:00.54 | sagacis | The number was right, too. |
| 01:01.05 | Writchie | but the special features are only on the HD-DVD |
| 01:01.08 | sagacis | When I clicked one to redial, the dialer crashed. :( |
| 01:01.36 | ChooseOpen | damn my build just failed :( Failed on task 3379 of 3381 !"task do_rootfs" |
| 01:02.13 | sagacis | ChooseOpen: The fix for that was just posted somewhere. Maybe it was the irc? |
| 01:02.18 | Writchie | ChooseOpen: that's a known problem today but fixing it will only lead you to the next problem |
| 01:02.20 | sagacis | Too many info media! |
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| 01:02.34 | ChooseOpen | LOL, great |
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| 01:04.14 | ChooseOpen | looks like ./tmp/rootfs/bin/tinylogin: file can not be created is hte exact error. Is that what others are reporting? |
| 01:04.15 | Writchie | the bitbake recipe image.bb should not ever have worked |
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| 01:04.59 | Writchie | ChoseOpen: the problem is in image.bb which fails to create the /bin directory before creating devices in it |
| 01:05.25 | sagacis | Heck, I can't get past build step 3231 |
| 01:05.28 | rwhitby-n800 | are these tinylogin problems only happening on a certain host platform OS? |
| 01:05.50 | ChooseOpen | Kubuntu Fiesty here... |
| 01:05.57 | sagacis | sorry, build task 354 |
| 01:06.20 | eggsy | rwhitby: problem on x86_64 for me |
| 01:06.44 | cesarb | How do I check the version of the old copy of dfu-util I saved before nuking my 2007.1 tree? dfu-util --version seems to be aliased to dfu-util --help |
| 01:06.45 | Writchie | openmoko/classes/image.bbclass |
| 01:07.14 | Writchie | ChooseOpen: I'm using Ubuntu Fiesty here. |
| 01:07.41 | Writchie | also had earlier problems with missing symlink to libXext.so |
| 01:07.47 | rwhitby-n800 | versions of makedevs? |
| 01:08.20 | Writchie | it's not part of the toolchain being built? |
| 01:09.06 | Writchie | if not, it explains why the buggy bbclass file works for some people |
| 01:09.18 | ChooseOpen | Writchie|zzzZZZz: come to think of it, mine is Ubuntu Fiesty + KDE... |
| 01:09.25 | Writchie | if makedevs creates subdirectories if needed in the path, then it will work |
| 01:11.00 | rwhitby-n800 | I assumed that's what it did |
| 01:11.07 | rwhitby-n800 | e.g. /dev/foo/bar |
| 01:11.46 | Writchie | it does not |
| 01:12.07 | cesarb | There are at least two completely independent versions of makedev out there |
| 01:12.10 | Writchie | the image.bbclass file explicit creates /dev but not /bin |
| 01:12.22 | cesarb | The shell script one, which IIRC is what Debian (and thus Ubuntu) uses |
| 01:12.26 | Writchie | after blowing away the whole fs |
| 01:12.29 | cesarb | And the C one |
| 01:12.53 | rwhitby-n800 | what does debisn etch do? |
| 01:13.43 | rwhitby-n800 | cause do_rootfs seems to work for me |
| 01:15.48 | jcazor | anyone can open the keyboard when starting the mrxvt in the 08/18/07 snapshot? |
| 01:16.03 | sagacis | You'll need to launch "input manager" first |
| 01:17.34 | jcazor | the "input manager" starts me the calculator |
| 01:17.45 | jcazor | :S |
| 01:18.41 | Writchie | rwhitby-n800: the build is using the makedevs that it builds |
| 01:19.04 | Writchie | unless, of course, the path causes it to pick one up from the system |
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| 01:21.11 | hads | jcazor: Yeah, I see that too :) |
| 01:21.45 | eggsy | anyone having problems with uboot patches? |
| 01:21.49 | eggsy | hunk 3 fails for me |
| 01:22.40 | kristian-m | eggsy same here |
| 01:22.59 | Writchie | rwhitby-n800: makedevs revision 0.1 is what's in the staging directory |
| 01:23.24 | sagacis | yay! uboot failed! |
| 01:23.51 | jcazor | hads, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 36304 Jan 1 1970 matchbox-keyboard -> ./calculator :P |
| 01:24.03 | hads | heh |
| 01:24.06 | Writchie | eggsy: its blown out everyone that is building |
| 01:24.32 | sagacis | jcazor: You have to show "All" applets to click the keyboard. |
| 01:24.42 | gcb77 | Is anyone running the 2007.2 image on the device? |
| 01:24.46 | sagacis | jcazor: The "utils" filter always launches calculator for some reason |
| 01:24.49 | sagacis | gcb77: I am |
| 01:25.07 | gcb77 | The one in Sean's announcement? |
| 01:25.22 | hads | sagacis: Hah, interesting. That does work. |
| 01:26.08 | jcazor | sagacis, wow |
| 01:27.50 | ajmitch | sagacis: yes, I noticed that, it's not very helpful :) |
| 01:28.00 | DukeOfURL | gcb77: yes |
| 01:28.59 | sagacis | how many erases do we get on the flash? |
| 01:29.10 | SpeedEvil | 100000 |
| 01:29.21 | SpeedEvil | or 1000 guaranteed u-boot installs |
| 01:29.24 | DukeOfURL | then what? |
| 01:29.30 | sagacis | I may be pushing it... :) |
| 01:29.33 | SpeedEvil | the capacity gradually degrades. |
| 01:29.55 | SpeedEvil | Or in the case of u-boot, it is no longer warrantied not to suffer bit-errors in the first block. |
| 01:30.32 | SpeedEvil | The available capacity decreases with increasing writes. It's guaranteed to be 64Mbytes at 100Kwrites |
| 01:30.41 | SpeedEvil | There is initial spare capacity. |
| 01:30.41 | sagacis | I probably need to put in the new uboot so my dfu-util flash updates will write the entire partition |
| 01:30.51 | DukeOfURL | is development continuing on 2007.1, or is it history? |
| 01:30.56 | sagacis | history |
| 01:31.22 | DukeOfURL | what's the plan for a browser in 2007.2? |
| 01:31.30 | sagacis | I have been using minimo |
| 01:31.31 | SpeedEvil | IE + Qemu |
| 01:31.37 | sagacis | lol |
| 01:31.44 | DukeOfURL | ouch |
| 01:32.24 | DukeOfURL | does minimo accommodate javascript hidden frames? |
| 01:32.49 | sagacis | dunno. It's mozilla, so it handles most things. It handled gmail OK. |
| 01:33.08 | SpeedEvil | what memory footprint are you seeing? |
| 01:33.16 | sagacis | for minimo? |
| 01:33.20 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 01:33.21 | DukeOfURL | did you compile it in? |
| 01:33.41 | sagacis | I'll look. I'm reflashing right now. I messed something up tweaking my menus |
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| 01:37.06 | sagacis | I don't remember. I have an ipk, but I dont' remember how I got it on the phone |
| 01:38.10 | sagacis | I think I did bitbake minimo, then bitbake index-update |
| 01:38.36 | sagacis | yup. It was already in the openembedded stuff |
| 01:40.01 | cesarb | jcazor: might be a long shot, but isn't bizarre filesystem contents a symptom of not completely erasing the root fs before flashing? |
| 01:40.04 | defer | i was fearing the ones above :) |
| 01:40.18 | ajmitch | defer: lucky you, I'm trying it from scratch on my laptop now |
| 01:40.26 | sagacis | cesarb: Yes. I just to nand erase rootfs before I flash |
| 01:40.51 | defer | ajmitch: must be distro specific, i can't compile on my laptop but it works fine here |
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| 01:41.18 | sagacis | defer, what's your distro? |
| 01:41.42 | cworth | So the new 2007.08 (or 2007.2) image has some nice stuff in it. I just really want to kill the audio-on-tap. Who's got an easy recipe for that? |
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| 01:41.56 | jcazor | cesarb, hmm i used the nand erase clean rootfs command, dont know if that "really" erases all |
| 01:42.14 | ajmitch | defer: my problem is qemu segfaulting rather than any make errors |
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| 01:49.25 | DukeOfURL | what is 0-0008 on the i2c bus? |
| 01:50.28 | SpeedEvil | PMU IIRC |
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| 01:51.25 | DukeOfURL | that makes sense--battvolt, etc. |
| 01:51.46 | cheriff | hello, can someone please copy /etc/pointercal to a pastebin somewhere for me? |
| 01:52.21 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 01:52.22 | SpeedEvil | root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /etc/pointercal |
| 01:52.22 | SpeedEvil | -93 35970 -2324360 -48069 189 45180528 65536 |
| 01:52.22 | SpeedEvil | root@fic-gta01:~$ |
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| 01:53.15 | cheriff | SpeedEvil: thankyou very much!! |
| 01:55.28 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:55.28 | cheriff | (wast sure how long it is.. didn't want to ask anyone to flood :) |
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| 01:59.22 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Battery_Charger]] |
| 02:05.48 | hozer | is there any nice way to get the power a USB port is providing? |
| 02:06.07 | khorben | usbdevs ? |
| 02:06.15 | hozer | I have a macbook running linux and I'd like to monitor the neo power consumption |
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| 02:07.42 | DukeOfURL | sagacis: bitbake world? :-) |
| 02:10.03 | sagacis | you could try. I can't get openmoko-devel-image to complete a build, so the world doesn't matter. |
| 02:10.08 | sagacis | I wasn't that patient |
| 02:10.35 | khorben | lsusb maybe, but for some reason I have no /proc/bus/usb directory |
| 02:11.05 | cesarb | khorben: your distro should mount it for you on boot |
| 02:11.08 | hozer | lsusb does not seem to tell one how much power each device is using |
| 02:11.10 | cesarb | khorben: it's a separate filesystem |
| 02:11.16 | khorben | cesarb: this is a debian from scratch |
| 02:11.28 | hozer | and my neo has apparently powered back off and *should* be fast chargeing |
| 02:11.48 | khorben | cesarb: the directory /proc/bus/usb does not even exist |
| 02:12.04 | DukeOfURL | sometimes I can tap the screen to wake it up--other times I have to hit the power button... |
| 02:12.27 | hozer | it was at the uboot prompt |
| 02:12.49 | DukeOfURL | during the screen tap period, ssh is responsive. after about five minutes, ssh is suspended and a power press is required. |
| 02:13.23 | DukeOfURL | how many different sleep states are there? |
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| 02:13.53 | cesarb | DukeOfURL: touch screen is connected to the application processor |
| 02:13.54 | SpeedEvil | I think at the moment 2 'alive' states |
| 02:14.06 | SpeedEvil | suspend-RAM and normal |
| 02:14.10 | cesarb | DukeOfURL: if it powers off, it cannot get touches |
| 02:14.14 | sagacis | my pppd only works if I nodetach it, which ties up a terminal to keep it alive. Anybody else try this yet? |
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| 02:16.34 | SpeedEvil | nohup |
| 02:16.40 | SpeedEvil | or screen |
| 02:17.37 | kristian-m | 'night |
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| 02:19.45 | khorben | I don't understand what I'm missing I have CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS |
| 02:22.49 | sagacis | SpeedEvil: Where those directed at my pppd question? |
| 02:22.55 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 02:23.08 | SpeedEvil | Though it's a workaround of course. |
| 02:23.16 | sagacis | Those aren't documented anywhere that I can see (I haven't yet looked through the code). What do they do? |
| 02:23.24 | SpeedEvil | nohup foo& |
| 02:23.30 | SpeedEvil | starts program foo |
| 02:23.36 | sagacis | oh, right |
| 02:23.44 | SpeedEvil | and outputs stdout and stderr to nohup.out |
| 02:23.54 | sagacis | I thought you meant as a pppd argument. |
| 02:25.46 | hozer | so.. how do I tell how charged the battery is |
| 02:26.14 | hozer | I have a charging icon, but no idea how long the charge will take |
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| 02:29.46 | sagacis | Got gprs running. Disconnected the usb cable - X crashed. :( |
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| 02:30.42 | mrface | webkit-gtk fails to compile? |
| 02:30.56 | SpeedEvil | sagacis: odd - worked fine for me. |
| 02:31.25 | SpeedEvil | I did some browsing in hte garden using 'web' |
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| 02:32.01 | mrface | SpeedEvil: using bluetooth pan? |
| 02:32.12 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 02:32.14 | SpeedEvil | GPRS |
| 02:32.26 | SpeedEvil | (10 days free intro) |
| 02:32.27 | mrface | me too |
| 02:32.55 | sagacis | I'm paying big bux for gprs, so I plan to use it a lot. |
| 02:33.21 | sagacis | I'll switch to neo for chat if I can get a chat client working. I had one on .1, but it doesn't work on the eabi for some reason. |
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| 02:36.06 | SpeedEvil | Stupid solution. chrooted copy of 2007.1 on the microSD. |
| 02:44.21 | sagacis | heh. It's kind of funny to see a picture of the neo on the neo |
| 02:49.23 | cesarb | sagacis: try to get a picture of it, so you can see a picture of the neo on a picture of the neo on the neo |
| 02:50.57 | sagacis | heh. I should do that! |
| 02:51.05 | sagacis | I have xchat. Going to install.... |
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| 03:02.52 | SpeedEvil | the picture editor works well as a viewer |
| 03:03.12 | sagacis | What picture editor? |
| 03:03.35 | SpeedEvil | mtpaint |
| 03:06.34 | sagacis | ouch. Downloading ipkgs over gprs. should have changed my default routes before installing.... :( |
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| 03:17.42 | sagacis_neo | hey i did it |
| 03:17.43 | ChooseOpen | sagacis_neo: Did you get a client working? |
| 03:17.50 | ChooseOpen | awesome |
| 03:18.52 | sagacis | Sort of. I accidentally closed the menu trying to close the sidebar :( |
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| 03:24.44 | arw_ | see you tomorrow people |
| 03:24.48 | arw_ | 8-) |
| 03:31.40 | hozer | so.. what's the magic /proc or /sys stuff for battery info |
| 03:33.28 | aloril | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:36.55 | sagacis|neo | better |
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| 03:40.02 | sagacis|neo | i`m missing the last 3 chars of each message |
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| 03:47.03 | ferric | moo. |
| 03:47.46 | Sup3rkiddo | baa |
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| 03:50.29 | ChooseOpen | that really sucks. We could all add 3 characters to the end of each sentence.*** |
| 03:51.15 | ajmitch | damn, glibc is building without qemu segfaulting on the laptop |
| 03:51.23 | ajmitch | I guess I have to build it all on the slow box then |
| 03:52.52 | ChooseOpen | ajmitch: Dont be in too much a a hurry. The build process still is broken... |
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| 03:53.22 | ajmitch | excellent |
| 03:53.59 | ChooseOpen | of course, it took me 30 hours to get to this point :) |
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| 03:54.57 | mentax | hi all |
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| 03:59.22 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[SettingsGUI]] |
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| 04:03.27 | mentax | what's is "cu"? |
| 04:04.03 | rwhitby | ~google cu |
| 04:04.52 | rwhitby | http://linux.die.net/man/1/cu |
| 04:07.35 | hozer | hrrm |
| 04:07.49 | hozer | | No package 'WebKitGdk' found |
| 04:07.49 | hozer | | configure: error: Package requirements (WebKitGdk) were not met: |
| 04:07.49 | hozer | | No package 'WebKitGdk' found |
| 04:07.49 | hozer | | configure: error: Package requirements (WebKitGdk) were not met: |
| 04:07.49 | hozer | No package 'WebKitGdk' found |
| 04:07.54 | hozer | eep |
| 04:08.15 | hozer | I only meant to do that once ;) |
| 04:08.46 | hozer | this is a 'make' attempt with mokomakefile |
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| 04:12.38 | mentax | how package is cu ? I don't find |
| 04:12.51 | rwhitby | uucp usually |
| 04:13.06 | cesarb | on Ubuntu, the package is "cu" |
| 04:13.20 | mentax | I have the Macos |
| 04:13.27 | mentax | macosx |
| 04:15.28 | xzcvczx | mentax: look @ http://seriss.com/people/erco/unixtools/cu.macosx |
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| 04:15.46 | xzcvczx | be aware its not a here is the answer |
| 04:16.54 | gavin8or | I don't think GSM850 is working on my phone |
| 04:17.33 | gavin8or | I just tried to AT+COPS while about 100Meters from a CellOne (GSM850 only!) tower |
| 04:17.45 | gavin8or | All my other phones work just fine |
| 04:19.19 | mentax | In macosx i not have a /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 04:19.37 | xzcvczx | google it |
| 04:20.42 | xzcvczx | in fact have you followed the stuff for mac on the wiki? |
| 04:22.51 | rwhitby | gavin8or: the theory is that it might be turned off in the gsm firmware, cause the phone was not approved for 850 in the FCC report we've seen so far. |
| 04:23.31 | gavin8or | yeah so is there any progress on making the firmware do it? |
| 04:23.38 | hozer | bah.. so is there some expectation it will get certified later? |
| 04:23.51 | gavin8or | there has to be some way of enabling GSM850 |
| 04:24.27 | gavin8or | I might as well send it back, right now it's just a PDA that can run linux *yawn* |
| 04:25.40 | xzcvczx | gavin8or: well from what i understand it may be a while before it can be fixed anyway as at the moment the program for flashing the firmware on the gsm chip is very tightly guarded.... |
| 04:26.04 | gavin8or | ahhh good thing to know!!! |
| 04:26.24 | gavin8or | Meh I wish I had known such things before I bought the unit |
| 04:26.46 | gavin8or | The whole "can flash whatever you want" is a false selling point |
| 04:27.00 | gavin8or | Maybe I'll feel less depressed about this in the morning, but probably not |
| 04:27.44 | hozer | gavin8or: you should email the openmoko-general list about it |
| 04:27.53 | cesarb | Is it known to work with GSM900 and GSM1800? |
| 04:27.55 | hozer | or whatever the main mail list ist.. |
| 04:28.18 | gavin8or | My understanding is yes GSM900 and 1800 work |
| 04:28.34 | gavin8or | But that does me (and most of the world, area-wise) no good |
| 04:28.56 | rwhitby | are the makedevs problems on 32 bit or 64 bit machines? |
| 04:31.27 | eggsy | rwhitby: 64 bit at least for me. But can't get past uboot now. |
| 04:32.01 | xzcvczx | gavin8or: unfortunately gsm and gps are still very much closed |
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| 04:32.24 | ajmitch | yay, managed to dial my other phone manually (with AT commands) |
| 04:32.37 | mrface | is it just me, or does webkit-gtk fail to compile? |
| 04:32.39 | gavin8or | Yeah that's sad cause I see no other reason to buy the unit |
| 04:32.40 | xzcvczx | a gsm firmware is available on people.om.org however we have no way to flash it |
| 04:33.06 | gavin8or | I was hoping to get something that you had access to gsm and gps |
| 04:33.07 | rwhitby | we surmise that the makedevs problem is actually a problem with fakeroot-native and 64 bit machines. That's the leading theory at the moment at least. |
| 04:33.15 | hads | gavin8or: You won't |
| 04:33.24 | gavin8or | But this is like buying a broadcomm wireless chipset and saying you've got something good for linux :( |
| 04:33.33 | rwhitby | gavin8or: you did read the site before purchasing didn't you? |
| 04:33.39 | cesarb | gavin8or: you will only get access to gsm if you pull a gnu radio |
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| 04:33.46 | gavin8or | Yeah I read the site |
| 04:33.56 | hads | Then you should know what you're buying |
| 04:34.02 | ajmitch | hads: seems like telecom's new network will be gsm850 |
| 04:34.06 | cesarb | gavin8or: but then it would probably be illegal to run unless you were one of a few people, or ran it on a RF-proof room |
| 04:34.14 | rwhitby | so which bit made you think you had access to gsm and gps firmware? |
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| 04:34.35 | hads | ajmitch: Interesting |
| 04:34.44 | ajmitch | hads: yeah, vodafone is gsm1800 |
| 04:34.45 | mrface | broadcom is completely closed, not just the firmware |
| 04:34.52 | xzcvczx | rwhitby: you do have access to gsm firmware.... its just not very useful :P |
| 04:34.57 | rwhitby | gavin8or: I do agree with you that the 850 issue is not mentioned anywhere |
| 04:35.23 | gavin8or | Yeah that's what has me choked right now |
| 04:35.35 | ajmitch | hads: and a sim I bought today works (when dialling manually) |
| 04:35.41 | ajmitch | so I'm happier :) |
| 04:35.45 | cesarb | rwhitby: which is *very* strange and makes me suspect it's a but |
| 04:35.46 | hads | ajmitch: Yay :) |
| 04:35.48 | cesarb | s/but/bug/ |
| 04:35.53 | gavin8or | Plus the sales talk (not that I didn't look past the first page) on the first page: "Mobile phones, currently closed and self limited" |
| 04:36.04 | cesarb | rwhitby: instead of the deliberate disabling of one band |
| 04:36.21 | gavin8or | Yeah I'll open a bug report |
| 04:36.34 | xzcvczx | cesarb: unless it is due to FCC not being approved yet |
| 04:36.34 | gavin8or | Maybe I'm blowing this out of proportion :) |
| 04:36.35 | cesarb | rwhitby: isn't the same chipset already having problems with some SIMs? |
| 04:36.58 | gavin8or | Yeah a whole list of AT&T SIMs |
| 04:37.00 | ajmitch | it'd be fun to RE the gsm firmware & flashing, but would probably get a few people in a bit of trouble |
| 04:37.12 | gavin8or | My SIM works fine, AT+CNUM and everything reads it a-ok |
| 04:37.29 | rwhitby | gavin8or: it's meant to work on 850. it currently doesn't (according to multiple reports). there is no info on that from OpenMoko. The FCC report did not approve 850 operation. That's all I know. |
| 04:37.40 | gavin8or | Yes thank you |
| 04:38.05 | cesarb | rwhitby: is there a known way to ask the modem which frequency it's currently using? |
| 04:38.19 | rwhitby | since the agreement for developer purchase said that the phone functionality didn't work yet, then you were taking a risk buying it ... |
| 04:38.21 | cesarb | rwhitby: (it would not only help debugging this problem, but be cool in general) |
| 04:38.25 | gavin8or | I guess if they are trying their best to support 850 and GPS will pan out to be at least functional, then I got what I paid for :) |
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| 04:38.52 | rwhitby | but one would expect that if they don't get 850 working, then you could ask for a refund. |
| 04:39.11 | rwhitby | cesarb: no idea. |
| 04:40.14 | eggsy | the chipset says it supports 850 so I can't see why the Neo won't |
| 04:40.42 | eggsy | it must just be legal issues |
| 04:40.55 | cesarb | eggsy: or just a bug |
| 04:41.10 | cesarb | eggsy: after all, the firmware *has* been modified by fic |
| 04:41.36 | eggsy | cesarb: do we know that for sure? What have the done? |
| 04:41.42 | cesarb | eggsy: and it also depends on the hardware... if the path for the 850 signals is too noisy or broken, it might not work |
| 04:41.54 | rwhitby | I'm not aware of FIC having firmware modification ability yet. |
| 04:41.54 | xzcvczx | eggsy: added some command |
| 04:41.55 | cesarb | eggsy: yes, we know for sure the modem firmware has been modified by fic |
| 04:42.04 | cesarb | eggsy: they added at least a couple of extra commands |
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| 04:42.26 | rwhitby | cesarb: citation please? I thought they asked TI to fix some commands. |
| 04:42.50 | eggsy | cesarb: the TCS2010 schematic suggests that 900 and 850 use the same LNA |
| 04:43.01 | eggsy | cesarb: and 900 works |
| 04:43.26 | rwhitby | eggsy: what's a TCS2010? |
| 04:43.37 | rwhitby | (and where do you get the schematics?) |
| 04:43.38 | xzcvczx | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem |
| 04:44.29 | gavin8or | I'm going to have to try AT+BAND=? |
| 04:44.34 | gavin8or | and maybe !BAND=? |
| 04:44.54 | gavin8or | Those might give what frequency you're on |
| 04:45.03 | eggsy | rwhitby: isn't that the RF chipset - at least thats where the link on the Neo hardware took me |
| 04:45.36 | gavin8or | cesarb, what frequencies are supported by your tower? |
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| 04:48.10 | cesarb | gavin8or: with my razr, forcing 900/1800 works, while forcing 850/1900 doesn't, but seems to find something |
| 04:49.12 | cesarb | hm, forcing 850/1900 finds Vivo GSM (Vivo is the CDMA carrier which now also has GSM; I heard they use GSM 850) |
| 04:50.24 | rwhitby | xzcvczx: do we know that those commands were actually added by LaF0rge and not added by TI at OpenMoko's request? |
| 04:50.31 | gavin8or | do they show up on your Neo? when you ask to AT+COPS=? |
| 04:50.47 | rwhitby | (I hope OM does have the ability to modify the firmware, but I haven't seen positive confirmation of that) |
| 04:51.24 | cesarb | Forcing 900/1800 finds Claro (the one I have), Oi and TIM... So of the four carriers the only one in the USA-like bands is Vivo GSM |
| 04:51.42 | eggsy | rwhitby: I seem to remember an email from LaFOrge saying they would be able to modify firmware but didn't hear of anything concrete |
| 04:51.49 | cesarb | gavin8or: my neo arrived today, I didn't flash it yet |
| 04:52.02 | gavin8or | haha ok :) |
| 04:52.05 | cesarb | gavin8or: and it's too late to do it today (I should have gone to sleep like four hours ago) |
| 04:52.08 | gavin8or | What are you doing on IRC then?!?!? :P |
| 04:52.21 | rwhitby | eggsy: I remember LaF0rge saying they had requested that ability, but also didn't see anything concrete later |
| 04:52.27 | cesarb | gavin8or: good question ;-) |
| 04:52.36 | gavin8or | I flashed mine (literally) before the mailman got down my driveway |
| 04:52.42 | gavin8or | But then again I have a long driveway :( |
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| 04:52.56 | raster | moo |
| 04:53.36 | ajmitch | depends if you like bricks, I guess |
| 04:53.59 | cesarb | ajmitch: I have the way-smaller-than-it-looks-in-the-pictures unbricking board |
| 04:54.04 | ajmitch | heh |
| 04:54.17 | cesarb | (it looks at least HALF as large as it seems on the photos) |
| 04:54.24 | rwhitby | cesarb: unless it was a P0 dev phone, there's nothing interesting in the partitions you've got. |
| 04:54.48 | ajmitch | I suspect that unbricking the phone isn't a simple click & go operation |
| 04:54.50 | cesarb | rwhitby: I disagree. At least uboot_env and splash have interesting contents. |
| 04:55.32 | rwhitby | cesarb: ok badblocks is a good point |
| 04:55.43 | rwhitby | the others you can put back with devirginator |
| 04:56.04 | rwhitby | (since you have a debug board). but I guess getting them in the right format for dfu-util is handier. |
| 04:56.05 | cesarb | rwhitby: at least on mine it was boring, it had only the four "fake" bad blocks (the ones with the bad blocks table itself) |
| 04:56.45 | ajmitch | that's only visible from uboot? |
| 04:57.12 | cesarb | ajmitch: perhaps also from linux, but it's way simpler on uboot: "nand bad" IIRC (check the help) |
| 04:57.37 | ajmitch | cesarb: yeah, but that'd mean rebooting the phone :) |
| 04:57.45 | cesarb | ajmitch: if you find four bad blocks together at the end of the device, they are fake: it's where the bad blocks table is kept |
| 04:59.40 | xzcvczx | the funny thing is the firmware file for the gsm chip comes up as a "Motorola S-Record" |
| 05:01.47 | eggsy | rwhitby: LaF0rge said "We now have the ability to alter the firmware of the GSM chipset,..." and another comment makes me think OM can do it themselves. We won't be able to though. |
| 05:02.54 | Aztlek | bye |
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| 05:06.31 | eggsy | xzcvczx: Where'd you see the S-Record? |
| 05:11.42 | gavin8or | LaF0rge is a FIC devel then? |
| 05:11.58 | mrface | oh yes |
| 05:12.38 | gavin8or | See I would feel badly about being so harsh on these guys if it were something I could do myself |
| 05:12.46 | gavin8or | Which I can't so what else is there to do but bitch |
| 05:12.48 | gavin8or | :) |
| 05:13.55 | mrface | dude, those guys are seriously working their asses off, there's only so much they can do in a day |
| 05:14.56 | happycube | maybe they only tested 1900 with fcc because 850 didn't quite pass...? |
| 05:15.50 | gavin8or | Yeah I was actually kidding |
| 05:16.09 | mrface | oh, haha |
| 05:16.10 | gavin8or | As in... I'm not going to bitch so I'll go find something else to do |
| 05:16.23 | mrface | good thinking ;) |
| 05:19.56 | cesarb | happycube: I still think that's a load of speculation |
| 05:20.13 | blindcoder | moin |
| 05:20.20 | cesarb | happycube: it's possible that, for instance, they did test... but hit the same bug as everyone (it didn't work) |
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| 05:28.20 | aloril | 250GB hard drive for GTA02 (or GTA01 with powered USB HUB): http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10928 |
| 05:28.28 | aloril | (or even 320GB: http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10731 ) |
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| 05:28.58 | ajmitch | great, now to fit that inside the neo shell |
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| 05:41.21 | CM | :D |
| 05:43.35 | CM | Hehe: http://xkcd.com/306/ |
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| 05:50.11 | jeddy3 | hahaha xD...soo true |
| 05:52.17 | CM | I admit to some "constructive criticism" yesterday, and that wasn't good. At least she wasn't mad this morning.. ;) |
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| 05:57.28 | jeddy3 | CM, :) |
| 05:59.22 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Mmontour/HHNotes]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] |
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| 06:14.28 | cheriff | is it safe to remove battery whilst powered by usb (both phone & breakout board are connected) |
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| 06:15.04 | CM | cheriff: Remove the usb first |
| 06:15.28 | CM | cheriff: At least that's what I was told (I don't have the board) |
| 06:16.09 | cheriff | okay. I was hoping to keep it poweredup so i could add sim and/or sd cards |
| 06:16.12 | cheriff | thanks :) |
| 06:16.52 | CM | I think it dies if you take out the battery even if the usb is plugged in |
| 06:19.59 | telconta1 | its does |
| 06:20.07 | telconta1 | makes a squealing sound |
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| 06:24.13 | zash_se | mornin' |
| 06:25.10 | Hokky | Good morning, are the mailing lists down again? |
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| 06:42.49 | jeddy3 | shrug, killed the panel...what is it's name? |
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| 06:44.07 | CM | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:45.26 | jeddy3 | tried that, didn't work...maybe need some additional arguments |
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| 07:03.10 | cayco | hi guys! I am trying to compili 2007.2 (for the first time, using MokoMakefile) and here's what I got: http://pastebin.com/m2c4417a3 |
| 07:03.59 | jeddy3 | cayco, never seen that before |
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| 07:05.27 | cayco | jeddy3: hmmm, I did make update-mokofile, make update, make setup, make openmoko-devel-image |
| 07:06.21 | jeddy3 | cayco, yeah, that is correct procedure |
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| 07:06.43 | cayco | jeddy3: so I guess it is SVN (code) problem... |
| 07:06.51 | jeddy3 | cayco, there is probably just some errors in OE-tree right now, try updating and retrying later |
| 07:07.07 | jeddy3 | cayco, excactly |
| 07:07.26 | cayco | jeddy3: ok, i wait, thx1 |
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| 07:23.38 | nickname | anyone know when more details about the products after the gta02? |
| 07:23.54 | nickname | willbe available... |
| 07:25.16 | doc|home | nope |
| 07:25.23 | doc|home | only fic |
| 07:27.33 | Dmitry_Platonov | nickname, do not like neo? |
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| 07:30.08 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r2771 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (22 files in 2 dirs): |
| 07:30.08 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Added shuffle/repeat modes |
| 07:30.08 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Added stereo balance UI, despite lack of gstreamer support for it |
| 07:30.08 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Various UI/backend improvements |
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| 07:35.45 | aloril | when GTA02 is released, we should hear more about next year products |
| 07:39.23 | nickname | i hope so |
| 07:39.40 | nickname | i feel a burning inside |
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| 07:42.16 | bluelightning | nickname: I can suggest alka-seltzer for that ;) |
| 07:43.27 | calamous | Can someone help me with the debug board / openocd? |
| 07:43.50 | calamous | I've followed all the instructions on the wiki but when I run openocd I get: configuration.c:50 configuration_output_handler(): Command ft2232_vid_pid not found |
| 07:43.57 | calamous | Not sure where to go |
| 07:44.06 | nickname | oh! im nickname haha i havent configured this client yet. im on my ds |
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| 07:46.26 | Richard_ | what's the command of disable x server access control? |
| 07:46.46 | Dmitry_Platonov | Richard_, xhost |
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| 08:00.02 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[No_Linux]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[Bootloader]] [[Xieji]] [[Luyindianhua]] [[Main_Page/xiyi]] [[Main_Page/xieji]] [[Main_Page/zhanlangongsi]] [[Xiyi]] [[User:Javiroman]] [[P1_Owners]] |
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| 08:21.28 | FuzzyCat | anyone else getting build issues on u-boot? |
| 08:21.43 | gordonsyme | FuzzyCat: not yet... |
| 08:21.47 | cayco | FuzzyCat: I have problems with gsmd |
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| 08:22.09 | cayco | FuzzyCat: http://pastebin.com/m2c4417a3 |
| 08:25.55 | Dmitry_Platonov | FuzzyCat, I have. Patching fails |
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| 08:41.21 | torpor | hiya folks |
| 08:41.28 | torpor | i'm finally able to complete a build. yay!! |
| 08:41.41 | torpor | but now there seems to be something wrong with the image make script .. some sort of problem with sleep. :( |
| 08:41.44 | torpor | can't create theh image. |
| 08:42.14 | torpor | the question i have now is this: i am able to build. how can i start submitting patches to the main tree from this point on? i'd like to fix a few things that i found broken along the way these past *FIVE* days .. |
| 08:43.10 | torpor | if you have answers, please /msg me .. going away now for a few hours. but i will lurk and catch your ideas about contributing back to the main tree. i'm one of those developers who would like to fulfill the 'open' part of openmoko. |
| 08:43.25 | torpor | gotta go now, there's an OLPC meeting waiting for me .. |
| 08:45.14 | gordonsyme | FuzzyCat: just hit the uboot patch problem now |
| 08:46.16 | gordonsyme | FuzzyCat: http://pastebin.ca/666586 |
| 08:49.51 | borg_ | gordonsyme: me too |
| 08:50.00 | Dmitry_Platonov | torpor, openmoko apps/kernel/uboot go to openmoko bugzilla. Build issues (bitbake-related) go to OE bugzilla |
| 08:50.02 | drath | calamous: have you been able to solve your OpenOCD problem? |
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| 09:02.14 | jeddy3 | mickey|taxes, oh, the new python-evas/ecore packages without easy-install.pth doesn't seem to make python aware of modules at all :( |
| 09:04.09 | jeddy3 | mickey|taxes, not my intention to whine, just thought you might want to know :) |
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| 09:07.08 | dcorking | the 2007.2 snapshot that Sean announced yesterday has nice graphics and nice finger or fingernail-sized targets - makes me happy |
| 09:08.30 | guaqua | is there an url to that snapshot? |
| 09:08.35 | dcorking | X just crashed - I was trying to close the dialer |
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| 09:08.52 | dcorking | guaga - 1 moment |
| 09:08.58 | DPThought | dcorking: forget gsm with that release. ;) |
| 09:10.12 | dcorking | thanks DPThought |
| 09:10.52 | dcorking | guaqua: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-August/000018.html |
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| 09:12.15 | dcorking | DPThought: gsmd seems to have dies also - I wonder if it brought down X with it - that would have been a clever feat |
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| 09:13.12 | CM | jeddy3, mickey|taxes: Interesting maybe: http://codeposts.blogspot.com/2007/08/toolkit-adventures.html |
| 09:13.21 | dcorking | the dialer generated some wierd sound effects (routed to headset only) - probably they came from gsmd - as they have gone now |
| 09:14.05 | jeddy3 | hehe andrunko |
| 09:14.07 | CM | jeddy3: http://maemo-efl.garage.maemo.org/ was linked from that blogpost too |
| 09:14.48 | jeddy3 | CM, interesting |
| 09:15.24 | CM | I see an opportunity for collaboration.. ;) |
| 09:16.30 | jeddy3 | CM, indeed, efl seems very reasonable/interesting for embedded GUIs |
| 09:18.09 | CM | Also nice to know that raster is hanging out here, and mickyl of course :) |
| 09:18.12 | jeddy3 | that would totally rock, would blow ordinary phones "theming capabilities" away |
| 09:18.57 | jeddy3 | CM yes i'm also very glad about that |
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| 09:20.26 | guaqua | does someone have screenshots of the new interface? |
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| 09:21.57 | sparktherookie | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
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| 09:22.23 | guaqua | ooh...thanks :) |
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| 09:25.29 | guaqua | i have maaany ideas for the today app :) |
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| 09:35.03 | hhf423_w | dcorking: if you do the ipkg update etc. with that .08 release, gsmd gets somewhat more stable, but audio switching still does not work |
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| 09:35.50 | mike123 | Hi, does anyone know how to solve this problem? http://pastebin.ca/666457 I have been getting it for a few days now |
| 09:39.17 | CM | mike123: Hmm.. I remember seeing someone having a problem with tinylogin yesterday, wait a sec |
| 09:40.01 | mike123 | cool... thanks :) |
| 09:41.34 | mike123 | thats not my pastebin btw - I found it via google... It would be great if people were encouraged to paste the solution in there too, thats twice I have found a pastebin but no answer :( |
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| 09:43.19 | sree | hi spped evil |
| 09:43.42 | sree | do u know ny thing abt calypso baseband chip |
| 09:44.01 | sree | ny one there |
| 09:44.20 | guaqua | no, and no |
| 09:44.57 | CM | mike123: Ok, looked through the logs, at least 4 ppl having problems with that, but I don't know if anyone got around it. Some restarted with a clean build |
| 09:45.23 | CM | torpor: You had problems with the bin/tinylogin thing, how did you get around it? |
| 09:46.24 | mike123 | I am using a 32bit chroot - I thought that might be the problem... Ill try nuking it, is make clobber enough? |
| 09:46.56 | CM | It takes a long time to rebuild everything.. As I guess you know |
| 09:47.16 | mike123 | yep... even with a core 2 :( |
| 09:47.27 | CM | If you can wait a few minutes someone who knows more might come along |
| 09:47.34 | mike123 | the download isnt too fast either |
| 09:47.50 | mike123 | ok... |
| 09:48.24 | dcorking | hhf423_w: thank you - I will have to figure out how to do this ipkg thing - at the moment my laptop is not masquerading the Neo to the internet |
| 09:48.47 | hhf423_w | dcorking: are you running linux on your laptop? |
| 09:49.12 | rwhitby | CM: what about? |
| 09:50.03 | CM | rwhitby: Did you know the way around that tinylogin error? |
| 09:50.20 | rwhitby | no, works for me. it could be a fakeroot and 64-bit thing |
| 09:50.24 | CM | Was discussed yesterday some time. Something about a missing bin folder |
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| 09:50.32 | CM | Ok, works for me too |
| 09:50.33 | rwhitby | makedevs on debian etch 32 bit creates required directories. |
| 09:50.37 | mike123 | only dev is created |
| 09:50.52 | mike123 | im using 32bit chroot which worked before |
| 09:51.02 | rwhitby | I presume someone has entered the problem in the oe bugzilla? |
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| 09:52.24 | CM | Don't know, since I haven't seen the problem myself |
| 09:53.00 | mike123 | ill report it, but I need to confirm its their bug before doing anything |
| 09:53.04 | CM | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2820 |
| 09:53.17 | mike123 | ppl seem to get upset when I put bug reports in the wrong place |
| 09:53.32 | ewon | ppl get upset when I fart in the elevator. |
| 09:53.35 | ewon | such is lie. |
| 09:53.38 | ewon | s/lie/life/ |
| 09:54.48 | CM | Stephmw: If you do, remember to yell "Feel free to fart there!" ;) |
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| 09:58.52 | dcorking | battvolt is 3855 - what is formula to convert that into charge available/remaining? |
| 09:59.12 | Stephmw | depends on calibration, no? |
| 09:59.33 | dcorking | Stephmw: I guess so - where do I find docs on calibration? |
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| 10:00.09 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Sample_Native-Finger_Application]] [[Anti-Theft_Mode]] [[Templates/fr]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_London]] [[Talk:Can_I_become_a_distributor%3F]] [[Can_I_become_a_distributor%3F]] [[Carriers/TMobile]] [[GUI_Style_Guidelines]] [[SettingsGUI]] and other changes |
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| 10:02.52 | mike123 | thanks for all the help... make clobber it is then |
| 10:06.37 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2772 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/36x36/stock/ (12 files): * Fix misnamed icons (closes bug 679) |
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| 10:32.06 | xzcvczx | hmmm anyone know anything about the AT+F.. commands cant find anything on them |
| 10:32.31 | tonyg | xzcvczx, are those fax control commands? |
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| 10:36.50 | Dmitry_Platonov | xzcvczx, GSM 07.07 refers to ITU-T T.31 and T.32 |
| 10:38.59 | xzcvczx | tonyg: ahhh your probably right... cheers |
| 10:42.12 | xzcvczx | XorA: lol yeah i knew that one |
| 10:43.13 | xzcvczx | i am just putting together a excel spreadsheet of all the supported AT commands... a description if known of the command and a summary of ATCMD ATCMD? ATCMD=? with the modem in a registered idle state |
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| 10:53.14 | cesarb | xzcvczx: don't we already have one of these in the wiki? |
| 10:53.18 | cesarb | !seen elrond |
| 10:53.20 | cdbot2 | cesarb, elrond is right here! |
| 10:55.22 | cesarb | xzcvczx: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands |
| 10:57.08 | rwhitby | yeah, I did a few of those |
| 10:58.29 | cesarb | If one of the sphyrna (sp?) guys needs someone with a Neo in the southern hemisphere (Niterói and Rio de Janeiro - arount 22°53'), I should be able to lend a hand in a few days (after I flash the one which arrived yesterday) |
| 10:58.48 | cesarb | s/arount/around/ |
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| 11:03.52 | rwhitby | someone should set up a page like http://www.nslu2-linux.org/developers.php |
| 11:04.51 | CM | If I go home to my parents/hometown I guess I'm a good candidate for the most northen, from 57.4 to 63.5 N |
| 11:07.03 | cesarb | rwhitby: that page has only the text "NSLU2-Linux world-wide development:" to me |
| 11:07.19 | CM | cesarb: It's a google map |
| 11:07.23 | jku | I'm looking for info on what is included in the default openmoko images. I've found package lists in http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.1/tmp/deploy/ipk/*/ . Are those the lists I'm looking for? |
| 11:07.54 | jku | cesarb, allow javascript |
| 11:08.03 | CM | rwhitby: If there's to be one of those for openmoko, I'd like to have "Debugboard availible" in green or something :) |
| 11:08.18 | xzcvczx | cesarb: yeah i know about that i just dont think its quite incomplete thought so i will finish this off then look at merging it with that one |
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| 11:08.46 | cesarb | Hm, someone from new zealand there ;-) |
| 11:09.01 | rwhitby | yeah, but he doesn't have a neo. |
| 11:09.32 | cesarb | Well, time to go to work... See you guys this night. |
| 11:09.35 | rwhitby | that map is of the nslu2-linux core team members |
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| 11:12.41 | zash_se | hm, i can try to mess with the map-thing |
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| 11:17.09 | rwhitby | someone could also set up a map at frappr.com |
| 11:17.34 | zash_se | otoh, one needs a google-acc |
| 11:18.47 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2773 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtkrc: * Ensure that unfocused treeviews display their selection clearly |
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| 11:21.44 | ajmitch | rwhitby: interesting, who's the kiwi on that map? looks like he's in the same city as I am |
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| 11:23.28 | ajmitch | and no, you're certainly not the southernmost openmoko owner :) |
| 11:23.35 | ixs | anyone else seing problems with libsm in OE.dev? |
| 11:24.58 | ajmitch | heh |
| 11:27.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 733 has been created by kresp0(AT)yahoo.es |
| 11:27.01 | cdbot2 | * * Ignore call button |
| 11:27.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=733 |
| 11:27.10 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 732 has been created by kresp0(AT)yahoo.es |
| 11:27.12 | cdbot2 | * * display the DTMF tones received |
| 11:27.14 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=732 |
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| 11:34.40 | CM | Finally some devel mails showing up on the list |
| 11:34.51 | xzcvczx | wow there are 246 published commands for the gsm chip |
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| 11:39.43 | torpor | rwhitby: what is the expected behaviour for makedevs.c? that it create the path for the file if it does not exist? if this is the expected behaviour of makedevs, why does image.bbclass mkdir /dev first? |
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| 11:40.25 | torpor | if the expected behaviour should be: make paths, i'll patch makedevs for that, no worries. |
| 11:40.45 | rwhitby | torpor: it seems there was a recent change to makedevs (2007-08-20) in OE which is causing this error (http://pastebin.ca/666678) |
| 11:40.47 | torpor | i just wasn't sure what else i might be breaking by doing that to makedevs instead of modifying image.bbclass (or taking the /bin entries out of the devices.txt file..) |
| 11:41.25 | torpor | come to think of it, why *is* /bin/tinylogin being set up with makedevs instead of just being touched? |
| 11:41.34 | rwhitby | the OE core devs are working on a solution |
| 11:41.41 | torpor | ah i see. |
| 11:41.49 | torpor | what channel, btw? |
| 11:41.51 | rwhitby | RP knows about it |
| 11:41.52 | rwhitby | #oe |
| 11:42.29 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: compile problem: OOM when compiling |
| 11:42.44 | torpor | cool .. i'll lurk there too then. makes sense, dunno why i didn't think of course #oe instead of #openembedded. doh. |
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| 11:46.28 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions) |
| 11:48.59 | tonyg | bah! poweroff doesn't seem to be working right for me. That's twice in a row that I thought I'd turned it off ok, only to find a deep-discharged battery when I came back to it a few hours later :-( |
| 11:50.18 | rxr | tonyg: it appears not all harware is powered off, even if the CPU is, like GSM modem |
| 11:50.42 | rxr | tonyg: AFAIK this is a known issue and if you remove the battery after shutdown and place it back in everything remains off ... |
| 11:52.12 | CM | Yes, I've noticed that too. Wonder what's still on |
| 11:54.34 | tonyg | rxr, thanks - I'll remember that :-) |
| 11:55.10 | tonyg | idle curiosity - is there a software technique for discovering what's drawing power, or is that something best left to owners of the debug boards? (and multimeters) |
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| 11:57.28 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2774 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/icons/openmoko-standard/36x36/stock/Makefile.am: |
| 11:57.28 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * Updated the Makefile.am to reflect the new icons. |
| 11:57.28 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * Also made the file look somewhat sane. |
| 11:59.29 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Gothenburg]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Madrid]] [[Building_Gadget_USB_Module]] [[Meet_the_Core_Team]] [[FIC]] [[Neo1973]] [[Neo1973_Phase_2]] [[Can_I_become_a_distributor%3F]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[Wish_List]] and other changes |
| 12:00.25 | rxr | tonyg: no idea, I just joined for evening tinkering fun recently ... |
| 12:01.08 | rxr | tonyg: probably you could work around that mostly for now, by echoing 0 into some sys/deveice/platform/... {gsm,gps,bt} .../power_on files before shutting down |
| 12:01.20 | rxr | (in some scripts) |
| 12:02.07 | tonyg | rxr, good idea. |
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| 12:06.34 | tonyg | hmm. which /proc/ file should I cat to get battery charge info? |
| 12:06.44 | tonyg | /proc/apm gives: 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x03 0x08 -1% -1 ? |
| 12:07.14 | zash_se | wasn't that some file in /sys/ ? |
| 12:07.17 | Elrond | cesarb - What's up? |
| 12:08.14 | Elrond | tonyg - /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/ (or something alike): cat battvolt battemp chg* |
| 12:10.38 | tonyg | Elrond, thank! |
| 12:10.40 | tonyg | *thanks |
| 12:11.29 | xzcvczx | does AT+CNUM work for anyway? |
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| 12:12.47 | yoyo | hi people ! |
| 12:14.21 | SpeedEvil | batvolt 4200-3700 or so is 100%-10% charge |
| 12:14.57 | tonyg | SpeedEvil, thanks. I'm on 3802 :-) |
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| 12:16.50 | SpeedEvil | It's not |
| 12:17.46 | xzcvczx | tonyg: nah its not.... they are working on getting a more accurate one done |
| 12:17.55 | SpeedEvil | I've got a patch that I keep trying to find time to polish and submit for nice battery reading |
| 12:18.15 | SpeedEvil | including assorted nicenesses. |
| 12:21.05 | yoyo | where can I disable annoying startup sound? |
| 12:22.29 | xkr47 | yoyo, just look for the wav file that is played and replace it |
| 12:22.36 | xkr47 | or remove |
| 12:23.08 | yoyo | xkr47: it is around work :P there must by some script |
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| 12:24.45 | xzcvczx | does AT+CNUM work for anyone? |
| 12:27.43 | CM | XorA: OT, but fun: http://nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=flego |
| 12:27.43 | tonyg | xzcvczx, just flashing a new root/kernel, I can experiment after that if you like |
| 12:28.01 | SpeedEvil | at+cnum |
| 12:28.02 | SpeedEvil | +CNUM: "LINE 1","07943894922",129 |
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| 12:29.08 | SpeedEvil | SMSs to that number I will read eventually, phone calls are not working ATM. |
| 12:29.19 | XorA | CM: lego weapons, wicked |
| 12:29.28 | CM | :) |
| 12:29.30 | XorA | CM: I have two of the banned lego cannons :_) |
| 12:29.35 | CM | Hehe |
| 12:29.36 | zash_se | omfg coolness |
| 12:30.02 | CM | XorA: That pistol in the video was pretty quick |
| 12:30.11 | DPThought | btw. has anyone had a recent build/snapsot with gsm working? Just curious. :) |
| 12:30.14 | XorA | although the bolt thrower is actually still shipped by lego |
| 12:30.20 | XorA | and that is insanely pwerful |
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| 12:32.16 | tonyg | DPThought, not so much ;-) |
| 12:32.34 | tonyg | outbound calls worked for me... once |
| 12:32.38 | tonyg | inbound... not at all. |
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| 12:35.41 | DPThought | CM: nice. I knew i could do dangerous things with lego without combining it with razor blades as i did. (tried to build a lawn mower out of lego. Did not work) |
| 12:36.39 | CM | DPThought: I built a kind of lawn mover too with lego, but using a real "trimmer" electric motor |
| 12:37.06 | XorA | hmm, a mindstorms mower robot |
| 12:37.40 | CM | DPThought: That was after noticing that connecting my lego-motor to my dads car charger made it very strong and fast, but only for about 1 minute until it melted |
| 12:37.48 | zash_se | ah, back when I built catapults of lego.. those were the days |
| 12:38.42 | hrw | 12V instead of 9V? |
| 12:38.47 | CM | XorA: Would be cool to have some NXT <-> Neo connection |
| 12:39.02 | CM | hrw: Yes, and I was only 10 years old |
| 12:39.25 | rwhitby | is there a bluetooth mindstorms controller? |
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| 12:39.44 | CM | rwhitby: Yes, to the newest lego robot stuff |
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| 12:40.14 | DPThought | CM: i did not learned the lection about velocity and knetic energy then. |
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| 12:40.31 | CM | rwhitby: http://mindstorms.lego.com/Overview/The_NXT.aspx |
| 12:40.42 | rwhitby | http://www.quietearth.us/nxtlibc.htm |
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| 12:42.26 | Dmitry_Platonov | I'd like openloop servo with high-precision digital angular encoders 8) |
| 12:42.42 | rwhitby | and since we can run perl on the neo: http://nxt.ivorycity.com/ |
| 12:45.45 | DPThought | XorA: would maybe work with a bluetooth serial adaptor and ir on serial... |
| 12:47.05 | XorA | DPThought: just hacking out serial port on Neo would be more productive |
| 12:47.13 | XorA | DPThought: chop the GSM out or something :-) |
| 12:47.26 | DPThought | XorA: since it isn't working anyway... |
| 12:47.31 | cjb_ie | who needs GSM in a phone anyway |
| 12:47.37 | zash_se | hehe |
| 12:48.00 | XorA | DPThought: GSM works |
| 12:48.03 | cjb_ie | such narrow-minded thinking ;-) |
| 12:48.06 | XorA | DPThought: kinda |
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| 12:49.54 | zash_se | ll |
| 12:50.00 | zash_se | doh |
| 12:50.52 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2775 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-contacts.c src/moko-tips.c): |
| 12:50.52 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 12:50.52 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-contacts.c: (moko_contacts_fuzzy_lookup), |
| 12:50.52 | CIA-20 | openmoko: (moko_contacts_init): |
| 12:50.52 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Properly initialise private variables. |
| 12:50.54 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-tips.c: (moko_tips_init): |
| 12:50.58 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Don't load a default image. |
| 12:52.19 | xzcvczx | speedevil: lol i had no desire to contact it just see whether it worked for anyone as it doesnt work on my simcard |
| 12:53.15 | xzcvczx | comes back as blank.... |
| 12:53.39 | xzcvczx | actually does ERROR |
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| 12:56.57 | DPThought | XorA: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=582 out of the box serial line over bluetoth. A bit on the pricy side though. :) |
| 12:59.56 | xzcvczx | lol if anyone wants a nice photo that shows how easily our cops get distracted in NZ i will pm it to you DEFINATELY not suitable for work |
| 13:00.38 | xzcvczx | its a nice photo with one of my mates as the feature the cop is distracted by |
| 13:00.39 | xzcvczx | :P |
| 13:01.18 | CM | xzcvczx: I'm sure I couldn't see it anyway, the stupid Ford proxies even block bash.org |
| 13:01.22 | cjb_ie | ooh, tempty |
| 13:01.34 | DPThought | xzcvczx: just post it |
| 13:01.43 | xzcvczx | CM: its not on a well known server of any sort |
| 13:02.06 | CM | :) |
| 13:02.06 | xzcvczx | DPThought: lol i am not posting this sort of pic in a logged channel |
| 13:02.08 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: mailing list management |
| 13:02.17 | CM | xzcvczx: I do :P |
| 13:02.36 | DPThought | xzcvczx: wimp :p Then send it to me. :)) |
| 13:03.03 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: you've piqued my curiosity now :) |
| 13:03.04 | CM | xzcvczx: Hehe |
| 13:03.12 | xzcvczx | we had the breasts on bikes parade in town today |
| 13:03.13 | DPThought | xzcvczx: lol |
| 13:03.43 | CM | xzcvczx: Nice theme |
| 13:03.50 | tonyg | xzcvczx, ah, Christchurch? |
| 13:04.00 | xzcvczx | tonyg: no the real city in NZ :P |
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| 13:04.04 | xzcvczx | the only one with > 1mil |
| 13:04.13 | tonyg | clearly I am defective |
| 13:04.18 | XorA | xzcvczx: I read that as beasts on bikes, and was thinking scary man beasts :-) |
| 13:04.48 | xzcvczx | XorA: lol thats the first person i have seen get it that way around.... normally its the other way around |
| 13:05.47 | CM | Hehe |
| 13:05.54 | DPThought | xzcvczx: wallpapers suck |
| 13:05.56 | CM | Well, maybe not here at work :-P |
| 13:06.08 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Forum? (Was Re: Neo Sound and USB Questions) |
| 13:06.13 | xzcvczx | cm: all the more fun |
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| 13:09.26 | cjb_ie | that would need the telcos to emit accurate time though |
| 13:09.38 | xzcvczx | cjb_ie: no just reception levels |
| 13:09.49 | CM | xzcvczx: You mean agps, kind of, but positions from the cell towers too? |
| 13:09.59 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: no way that'd be good enough without knowing about terrain |
| 13:10.05 | xzcvczx | CM: yeah pretty much |
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| 13:10.35 | mdt | xzcvczx, i wish gsm and gps would work /somehow/ :D |
| 13:10.52 | xzcvczx | cjb_ie: well it would still be an advantage of types for countries which havent employed a AGPS system....... |
| 13:11.06 | xzcvczx | and the fact we see stuff all lights at once |
| 13:11.33 | Dmitry_Platonov | xzcvczx, gsm is just not suited for that :-/ but, if you have GSM cell id (and database with cell coords) & time from net, you can rapidly bootstrap even without AGPS |
| 13:11.58 | xzcvczx | mdt: oh well just look forward to the day we can work out where we are and hack wall street throught the bluetooth in the device and completely win a lot of money from the econmoy |
| 13:12.53 | mdt | xzcvczx, anyway you have to ask the provider for the coords of the cell... |
| 13:13.18 | xzcvczx | mdt: just make your own db...... walk round when you dont need the data and find the cell |
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| 13:14.02 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 734 has been created by mike(AT)blueroot.co.uk |
| 13:14.03 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-devel-image fails with extra python packages |
| 13:14.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=734 |
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| 13:15.33 | cjb_ie | xzcvczx: oop, just saw freenode telling me i couldn't PM you thanks for the url :) |
| 13:15.59 | XorA | xzcvczx: is that URL typable in reasonable time? |
| 13:16.36 | yoyo | aaaa!! first success finished dial :)) using moko ;)) |
| 13:16.59 | borg_ | yoyo: with the dialer? |
| 13:17.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 735 has been created by spamisevil(AT)alum.dartmouth.org |
| 13:17.02 | cdbot2 | * * Network Status bar quits |
| 13:17.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=735 |
| 13:17.14 | yoyo | borg_: yes!!! |
| 13:17.22 | borg_ | yoyo: nice :) |
| 13:17.28 | borg_ | with which build? |
| 13:17.31 | yoyo | without uwithout using console :)) |
| 13:17.33 | mdt | yoyo, wow... ;) how often can you repeat that? ;) |
| 13:18.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 736 has been created by nikosverschore(AT)gmail.com |
| 13:18.02 | cdbot2 | * * the 2007.2 software doesn't let you calibrate your screen |
| 13:18.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=736 |
| 13:18.10 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 737 has been created by andreas(AT)bawue.net |
| 13:18.12 | xzcvczx | lol update galore |
| 13:18.12 | cdbot2 | * * Dialer crashes on startup |
| 13:18.14 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=737 |
| 13:18.22 | xzcvczx | cdbot2: SHUT UP |
| 13:18.23 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 738 has been created by andreas(AT)bawue.net |
| 13:18.24 | cdbot2 | * * System does not shut down correctly. |
| 13:18.26 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=738 |
| 13:18.34 | xzcvczx | cdbot2: STFU |
| 13:19.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 739 has been created by <Elrond> |
| 13:19.02 | cdbot2 | * * svnREV missing from uImage |
| 13:19.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=739 |
| 13:19.10 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 740 has been created by jseghers(AT)cequint.com |
| 13:19.12 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-devel-image do_rootfs fails in makedevs |
| 13:19.14 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=740 |
| 13:19.23 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 741 has been created by mcl(AT)bitwise.org |
| 13:19.25 | cdbot2 | * * Image of Neo hardware shows debug board |
| 13:19.26 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=741 |
| 13:22.43 | ixs | yoyo: well, for what's it worth, I only managed to dial out _once_, not repeatable and dialin is not possible either. But it's getting there. :D |
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| 13:24.29 | yoyo | ixs:I'w install 2007.2 and there after starting from hand gsmd and openmoko-dialer it whose possible :) |
| 13:26.30 | yoyo | It is gating more and more fun :) |
| 13:28.11 | yoyo | s*** modem dead! |
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| 13:34.23 | kristian-m | bitbake -c rebuild task-base does not help here |
| 13:35.56 | mickeyl | kristian-m: I'd rather suggest creating an openmoko-cristian-image based on the openmoko-images |
| 13:36.01 | mickeyl | heh |
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| 13:37.24 | kristian-m | okay, i'll do :-) |
| 13:38.56 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2776 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c src/moko-notify.c): |
| 13:38.56 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 13:38.56 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_incoming_clip): |
| 13:38.56 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (moko_notify_check_brightness): |
| 13:38.56 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Use the right device to set brightness. |
| 13:42.14 | yoyo | how "Neil J. Patel" can commit to repository? |
| 13:42.37 | stefan_schmidt | yoyo: Because he works for us? |
| 13:42.47 | stefan_schmidt | yoyo: OpenHanded employee |
| 13:43.14 | yoyo | it it community? or not? |
| 13:43.18 | cbrake | hrw: why should local.conf not be used to image contents -- just trying to understand as I just made a commit suggesting that. |
| 13:43.25 | stefan_schmidt | yoyo: Paid work |
| 13:44.02 | stefan_schmidt | yoyo: But also community people have svn access. Just send us enough patches that we get tired to apply them for you. :) |
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| 13:44.27 | yoyo | I bored moko for fun :) not for mony :/ |
| 13:44.44 | stefan_schmidt | yoyo: So write patches for fun? |
| 13:45.31 | BryceLeo | patches are killer fun, def jump on that yoyo |
| 13:45.36 | yoyo | I spend X days to write bt manager for panel and nothing :P |
| 13:45.58 | BryceLeo | is x a number greater than 1? |
| 13:46.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 742 has been created by emreturkay(AT)gmail.com |
| 13:46.02 | cdbot2 | * * neo shuts down on task remove |
| 13:46.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=742 |
| 13:46.31 | mickeyl | jeddy3: sorry, i had one more bug in staging. if you have a chance, try rebuilding python-evas again. it should stage now. |
| 13:47.08 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: USB host |
| 13:47.11 | yoyo | BryceLeo: yes greater: and I'm a one from not many people who have possibility to enable disable receive files and so on not from console :P |
| 13:47.31 | BryceLeo | ahh |
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| 13:47.44 | wastrel | "openmoko" is a good name |
| 13:48.55 | jeddy3 | mickeyl, nod |
| 13:49.47 | jeddy3 | mickeyl, will do later, good work! |
| 13:49.54 | hrw | cbrake: if you want to have image with some extra stuff then you make new image recipe. not changing DISTRO_* MACHINE_* vars as they will not propagate if you do not remember about rebuilding task-base. and also such way finally gives mess to support |
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| 13:51.52 | hrw | cbrake: if someone has problem and then tell that he use DISTRO_*/MACHINE_* stuff it show that he do not now how packages works... |
| 13:54.52 | kristian-m | hrw yap, so we're learning |
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| 13:55.40 | mickeyl | yoyo: can you point me to your latest sources? |
| 13:56.24 | yoyo | mickeyl: sec. |
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| 13:57.49 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: There is also some code to power up the bt radio from the bt applet: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=639#c2 |
| 13:58.22 | mickeyl | now that the snapshot is out, i will hopefully have a bit more time to deal with incoming patches |
| 13:59.34 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Since yesterday we are from ~280 bugs down to ~210 again. We should work to get it < 200 within september |
| 13:59.47 | mickeyl | excellent. good work |
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| 14:00.20 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: Most was just cleaning up after deprecating OM2007 |
| 14:00.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers]] [[User:Dcorking]] [[User:ScaredyCat]] [[P1_Owners]] [[User:Wvrn]] [[GUI_Style_Guidelines/de]] [[Building_Gadget_USB_Module]] |
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| 14:01.45 | yoyo | mickeyl: http:__d3p.pl/tmp/moko-panel-bt_svn_20070822_1557_35.tar.bz2 |
| 14:01.48 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: openmoko API Documentation and 1 other mails |
| 14:02.41 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2777 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-notify.c): |
| 14:02.41 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 14:02.41 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (moko_notify_check_brightness): |
| 14:02.41 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Some fixes to the brightness manipulation. |
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| 14:02.53 | zecke | mickeyl: ping |
| 14:03.17 | mickeyl | zecke: pöng |
| 14:03.31 | stefan_schmidt | What's pöng? |
| 14:03.46 | zash_se | OMFG, IT'S THE PÖNGINATOR! |
| 14:03.49 | mickeyl | a somewhat less confirming ping |
| 14:03.52 | hrw | yoyo: Poznań? |
| 14:04.15 | zash_se | pöng also sounds like the swedish word for balls |
| 14:04.17 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: That would fail the parsing and got dropped. Please re-read the RFC ;) |
| 14:04.18 | zecke | mickeyl: I have a couple of header changes to make h2def.py more happy |
| 14:04.25 | yoyo | hrw: yes |
| 14:04.34 | mickeyl | zecke: pastebin? |
| 14:04.38 | hrw | yoyo: so do I |
| 14:04.58 | hrw | yoyo: got neo phone already? |
| 14:05.07 | cbrake | hrw: makes sense -- thanks for the explanation |
| 14:05.08 | zecke | mickeyl: can't you get a lisppaste here :) |
| 14:05.31 | mickeyl | http://openmoko.pastebin.com/ |
| 14:05.35 | mickeyl | needs to be enough :D |
| 14:05.41 | yoyo | hrw: world is so small village |
| 14:05.47 | zecke | mickeyl: and if I paste there it will post the link here? |
| 14:05.59 | mickeyl | oh i see what you're after |
| 14:06.04 | mickeyl | that'd be handy |
| 14:06.05 | yoyo | hrw: about 16 days a go |
| 14:06.06 | hrw | cbrake: and if user mess with those vars we do not know what he got when he will tell that he used 'openmoko-devel-image' - especially when add more stuff then rootfs can take |
| 14:06.11 | zecke | mickeyl: watch and learn in #oe |
| 14:06.16 | hrw | yoyo: base or advanced? |
| 14:06.48 | yoyo | hrw: base, Im a pure working student. and you? |
| 14:06.49 | hrw | yoyo: if base then keep in mind that I have debugboard so if you brick then you only have to go to me to unbrick |
| 14:07.08 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: compile problem: OOM when compiling |
| 14:07.10 | yoyo | hrw: :) |
| 14:07.23 | hrw | yoyo: I do not have base or advanced. I have 2 phones (neo bv3 and bv4) with debug board |
| 14:07.50 | cbrake | hrw: so EXTRA_RDEPENDS should only be used in machine/distro conf files ... |
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| 14:08.03 | hrw | cbrake: exactly |
| 14:08.37 | hrw | cbrake: we can add 'own-image.bb' into OE which will use OWN_IMAGE_EXTRA_STUFF_TO_INSTALL var and mark it as unsupported |
| 14:10.16 | cbrake | hrw: ok, I was not sure about adding a bunch of extra image bb's to OE, but now I understand |
| 14:10.46 | mdt | the new design reached the german http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/94724 computer-mag... |
| 14:10.54 | zecke | mickeyl: what Gtk+ is doing differently is they just start with typedef enum {} Foo; I do it the same as with structs |
| 14:11.02 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 743 has been created by <autobuild-report> |
| 14:11.03 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-0.1.0+svn20070821-r0-do_compile |
| 14:11.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=743 |
| 14:11.09 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2778 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-notify.c): |
| 14:11.09 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 14:11.09 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (moko_notify_check_brightness): |
| 14:11.09 | CIA-20 | openmoko: More notification fixes. |
| 14:11.56 | mickeyl | zecke: i see. go ahead and commit that. i like it. please add "don't manually change this again or you'll break the binding-generator" to the commit message |
| 14:12.17 | mickeyl | it even fits my personal taste more |
| 14:12.25 | mickeyl | i don't like these artificially word-wrapped lines |
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| 14:12.36 | mickeyl | i have many characters per line :D |
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| 14:15.40 | defer_ | so anyone got ahold of the do_rootfs problem trying to create tinylogin? |
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| 14:19.08 | deepank | While building uboot-openmoko package; it fails in do_quilt task as it cannot patch fs/cramfs/cramfs.c file |
| 14:19.29 | rmoravci1 | defer_: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=740#c1 |
| 14:19.38 | deepank | the patch : uboot-cramfs_but_no_jffs2.patch fails to apply |
| 14:19.57 | defer_ | rmoravci1: ty |
| 14:20.24 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2779 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-contacts.c src/moko-notify.c): |
| 14:20.24 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 14:20.24 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-contacts.c: (moko_contacts_fuzzy_lookup): |
| 14:20.24 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (moko_notify_check_brightness): |
| 14:20.24 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Remove some unnecessary printf's. |
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| 14:20.44 | XorA | deepank: mtn pull |
| 14:22.01 | deepank | XorA: I did not get you? can you please elaborate |
| 14:22.17 | XorA | deepank: update your repo |
| 14:22.42 | deepank | XorA:ok .. silly me |
| 14:23.00 | XorA | deepank: mickeyl made a change to pin right patches to right git earlier today |
| 14:24.28 | deepank | ok |
| 14:27.06 | zecke | mickeyl: want to see the final patch? |
| 14:27.15 | mickeyl | zecke: yes, please |
| 14:27.30 | zecke | still no lisppate here ;) |
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| 14:31.00 | mickeyl | zecke: go for it |
| 14:31.15 | zecke | do you want to fix my changelog message? |
| 14:31.57 | DukeOfURL | I got a bunch of undeclared in gtkcombobox.c Is there a patch for this? |
| 14:32.12 | DukeOfURL | undeclared varibles |
| 14:32.59 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2780 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/ (7 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:32.59 | CIA-20 | openmoko: libmokogsmd2: |
| 14:32.59 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-22 Holger Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 14:32.59 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Rubberstamped by Mickey. |
| 14:32.59 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Change the hethat way.ader to help h2def.py find GObjects. Please keep |
| 14:33.01 | CIA-20 | openmoko: this that way. |
| 14:33.03 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * libmokogsmd/moko-gsmd-connection.h: |
| 14:34.23 | rmoravci1 | DukeOfURL: http://pastebin.ca/666844 |
| 14:34.42 | DukeOfURL | thanks |
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| 14:35.40 | tonyg | I've got Squeak 2.8 running on the Neo1973: http://www.lshift.net/~tonyg/neo1973-squeak-2.8-vm-3.9.jpg |
| 14:35.54 | PBeck | hi :) |
| 14:35.54 | tonyg | now it's just a matter of improving the image-side of things :-) as the VM seems to run OK |
| 14:35.57 | BryceLeo | tonyg you rock |
| 14:36.09 | zecke | tonyg: awesome :) |
| 14:36.10 | BryceLeo | http://www.lshift.net/~tonyg/neo1973-squeak-2.8-vm-3.9.jpg |
| 14:36.14 | BryceLeo | damn putty |
| 14:36.17 | tonyg | heh |
| 14:36.45 | zecke | lovely morph |
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| 14:37.09 | tonyg | immediate problems: 1. Smalltalk wants more than one mouse button. 2. Keyboard/text input will be important 3. it's a 2.8 image, which is oooooold |
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| 14:37.20 | mickeyl | zecke: seen http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ ? your feedreader is the first image |
| 14:38.06 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2781 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:38.06 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 14:38.06 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_talking_silence), (moko_dialer_init): |
| 14:38.06 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-talking.c: (on_silence_clicked), |
| 14:38.07 | CIA-20 | openmoko: (moko_talking_class_init), (moko_talking_init): |
| 14:38.09 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-talking.h: |
| 14:38.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Add 'silence/ignore' capability to incoming calls i.e. stop the ringing and |
| 14:38.21 | zecke | mickeyl: lovely, now I can go home and continue to read amerika |
| 14:38.26 | BryceLeo | i must say... 2007.2 is freaking gorgeous |
| 14:41.30 | aloril | "GTA02 will be able to supply 5V in host mode, it was abandoned." (Harald Welte) |
| 14:41.34 | aloril | "Awesome, is this news or did I just find out?" (William Voorhees) |
| 14:41.41 | aloril | "It is intentionally leaked but not yet finally confirmed and officially announced and confirmed information. Being able to do that is one of the few sources of joy that I still have ;)" (Harald Welte) |
| 14:41.41 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2782 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): |
| 14:41.41 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 14:41.41 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_network_registered): |
| 14:41.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Correctly format output. |
| 14:41.44 | aloril | hehe |
| 14:42.04 | mickeyl | aloril: where does that come from? |
| 14:42.27 | aloril | community-mailing list Subject: USB host |
| 14:42.34 | mickeyl | !ombug 741 |
| 14:42.34 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 741, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 14:42.35 | cdbot2 | * * mcl(AT)bitwise.org: Image of Neo hardware shows debug board |
| 14:42.36 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=741 |
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| 14:43.08 | zecke | mickeyl: oops, I think I need to poke the o-hand folks to fix :} |
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| 14:50.11 | mickeyl | zecke: *nod* |
| 14:50.14 | mickeyl | zecke: you have my supprot |
| 14:50.16 | mickeyl | support, even |
| 14:50.40 | mickeyl | <CIA-1> polyonymous org.oe.dev * r054b937d... / (1 packages/qt/qt4-x11-free_4.3.0.bb): qt-x11-free 4.3.0: removed bashism, closes bug #2816 |
| 14:50.47 | mickeyl | that may help some guys here as well |
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| 14:52.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2783 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): |
| 14:52.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 14:52.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_talking_reject_call), |
| 14:52.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: (on_talking_cancel_call), (on_talking_silence): |
| 14:52.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Make sure function ordering is correct so multiple tabs do not open. |
| 14:55.10 | DukeOfURL | Running task 915 of 3381... <sigh> |
| 14:55.28 | wastrel | you guys are busy in here |
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| 14:58.00 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2784 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): |
| 14:58.00 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 14:58.00 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_talking_accept_call): |
| 14:58.00 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Fix ordering here as well. |
| 15:02.36 | CM | DukeOfURL: I see that you don't have INHERIT += "rm_work" in your local.conf. It does work now again, if you want to save some space. :-) |
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| 15:05.47 | DukeOfURL | CPU speed is my problem. The only i386 box remaining is an Athlon 2400+ MP |
| 15:06.09 | DukeOfURL | Everything alse is x86_64 |
| 15:06.14 | DukeOfURL | else |
| 15:06.39 | *** part/#openmoko mdt (n=mdt@littlelun.emdete.de) |
| 15:06.46 | ixs | DukeOfURL: try setarch i386 make |
| 15:06.48 | ixs | DukeOfURL: could work. |
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| 15:16.48 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2785 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-calculator2/ (ChangeLog README openmoko-calculator.pro src/calc-main.c): |
| 15:16.48 | CIA-20 | openmoko: openmoko-calculator2: |
| 15:16.48 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * set label for calulator table, so we can identify from style |
| 15:16.48 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * rename Clear All/Clear to CE/C to have more space in general |
| 15:17.47 | tonyg | So, does the 2007.2 keyboard work? |
| 15:17.50 | tonyg | How do I open it? |
| 15:17.58 | radiorental | just flashed 2007.2 and the UI keeps bombing out to '....hereFreeFontPath: FPE "build-ins" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. ' and then nothing. Power button does not interrupt, how can I power cycle without having to pull the battery? |
| 15:18.04 | yoyo | press any inputtext |
| 15:18.08 | daxxar | Input Manager application, I believe, tonyg? |
| 15:18.32 | daxxar | radiorental: Did you try holding the buttton for 8+ secs? |
| 15:19.02 | DPThought | tonyg: if you tap in text fields it will open. But you need to start input manager for keybard in terminal. (klick in the white blob in the top menu bar. The far right side of the blob is a dropdown for selecting the keyboard type) |
| 15:19.22 | radiorental | daxxar: no worky |
| 15:19.49 | DPThought | tonyg: but anything besides terminal should bring up a keybard automaticly |
| 15:20.09 | tonyg | hm. no white blob... |
| 15:20.31 | radiorental | also, 'Input Manager' application launched the calc for me... |
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| 15:20.52 | tonyg | radiorental, me too, until I clicked so many times on it it opened a number of copies of the white blob :-) |
| 15:20.58 | tonyg | DPThought, thanks |
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| 15:21.06 | DPThought | tonyg, radiorental: oh yes. i think the app launcher is broken. select utilities in the dropdown of the app launcher and then select input manager |
| 15:21.30 | DPThought | .oO(i should probaly report this bug...) |
| 15:22.38 | radiorental | 2007.2 looks nicer but its wicked unstable, more so than .1 |
| 15:23.05 | radiorental | on the 3rd battery pull in less than 15 minutes |
| 15:23.36 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03wansti * r2786 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/sounds/ (3 files): new version of "There Is No Phone" |
| 15:23.47 | radiorental | is there any way to turn off the boot sound. I'm at work here people! |
| 15:23.56 | radiorental | its damn loud |
| 15:24.34 | alphaone | radiorental: move the sound file somewhere else |
| 15:25.06 | guaqua | :) |
| 15:25.18 | guaqua | "the openmoko way" |
| 15:26.11 | alphaone | guaqua: Yeah, we force you to use the source to change the hardcoded filenames ;-) |
| 15:26.13 | tonyg | hmm. does the openmoko-keyboard inject key events to X, or does it simulate them at a different level? |
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| 15:26.45 | guaqua | alphaone: no need to do any extra hacks to get that far, though ;) |
| 15:26.57 | DPThought | tonyg: it's afaik coupled with the window maker and creates regular x events. you see the events in the x-server log output |
| 15:27.16 | tonyg | hm. ok. must be something else preventing them from getting through. |
| 15:27.21 | DPThought | tonyg: so i think yes. But don't know |
| 15:28.03 | DPThought | tonyg: how that? |
| 15:28.25 | tonyg | Runnign squeak, i'm not getting the simulated keystrokes showing up. |
| 15:28.47 | aloril | in case you have seen, blog entry about 2007.2: http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/08/21/openmoko-20072/ |
| 15:29.45 | DPThought | tonyg: meybe i'm wrong :) |
| 15:30.18 | tonyg | :) |
| 15:30.47 | DPThought | tonyg: but i don't think so. Because mrxvt for example is as far as i know just any plain x application with no moko hacks. And it gets keystrokes |
| 15:30.57 | tonyg | ok, that's good to know |
| 15:31.32 | tonyg | hmf, the scrollbars in the app loader don't work |
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| 15:32.26 | DPThought | tonyg: they arent scrollbars. ;) they are just indicators. use your finger and scroll the whole list |
| 15:32.32 | FuzzyCat | who writes an emial with 'Lipstick on a fetus' as the subject... |
| 15:32.36 | DPThought | kinetic scrolling ;) |
| 15:32.57 | gordonsyme | FuzzyCat: Ken Young, apparently... |
| 15:33.00 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2787 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/openmoko-calculator: theming/openmoko-calculator: increase font size on calculator buttons |
| 15:33.05 | tonyg | DPThought, oooo! i like that |
| 15:33.16 | DPThought | tonyg: i don't :) |
| 15:33.31 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2788 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-notify.c): |
| 15:33.31 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 15:33.31 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (moko_notify_start), (moko_notify_stop): |
| 15:33.31 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Disable ringtone, as gstreamer seems to be taking an age doing anything |
| 15:33.31 | CIA-20 | openmoko: useful, and at the same time, blocking the UI. |
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| 15:34.12 | DPThought | tonyg: the price seems to be that just tapping applications in the lists gets very tricky and how 'kinetic' you tip he scroller is not really predictable |
| 15:34.27 | DPThought | tonyg: but i belive this will become better |
| 15:34.28 | mickeyl | mmh |
| 15:34.36 | mickeyl | this blog post has to be taken with a grain of salt |
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| 15:35.26 | SpeedEvil | Also - it kills the possibility to do full-screen glyph recognition. |
| 15:35.31 | zecke | Could someone copy the missing image as well (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GUI_Style_Guidelines)? |
| 15:36.19 | zecke | and when talking about GUIs, a graphical representation (read images) of the style guide would be appreciated as well |
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| 15:38.58 | aloril | one comment about automatic on screen keyboard: not very useful when used with bluetooth keyboard (though I guess this is minority usage case) |
| 15:39.37 | DPThought | aloril: should be possible to avoid i think. write patch. :) |
| 15:39.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2789 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-calculator2/src/calc-main.c: openmoko-calculator2: don't use markup in display label, we do it by style now |
| 15:40.24 | aloril | DPThought: yeah, should be easy to fix: configure option ;-) |
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| 15:40.51 | DPThought | aloril: ..or automatic detection of further input devices |
| 15:41.06 | aloril | DPThought: ah, yeah better |
| 15:41.35 | DPThought | which reminds me. is there something like a control panel for global options? (or is it planned?) |
| 15:41.36 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2790 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): |
| 15:41.36 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 15:41.36 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_talking_accept_call), |
| 15:41.36 | CIA-20 | openmoko: (on_call_progress_changed): |
| 15:41.36 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Set the 'talking' page when connected. |
| 15:42.03 | anrp | i'd hope.... |
| 15:42.20 | anrp | $EDITOR+/etc/program.conf is not really a solution ~_~ |
| 15:42.49 | DPThought | anrp: better than gconftool :) |
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| 15:51.29 | kristian-m | clear |
| 15:51.39 | eggsy | Any workaround for the do_rootfs problem? |
| 15:52.11 | kristian-m | eggsy http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=740 |
| 15:52.51 | Writchie | eggsy: you still run into the uboot problem |
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| 15:54.00 | eggsy | Writchie: no that works for me now |
| 15:54.43 | Writchie | how |
| 15:55.20 | eggsy | kristian-m: I'll try that (unsuccessfully tried something similar yesterday) |
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| 15:56.46 | eggsy | Writchie: mickeyl fixed it - so an update matched the patch to the git |
| 15:57.15 | Writchie | hmmm - i tried that - will try it again |
| 15:58.10 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2791 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtktoolbutton: * Remove toolbar button prelight |
| 16:00.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Vancouver]] [[User:Phlash]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_London]] [[Talk:Manually_using_Bluetooth]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Freiburg_im_Breisgau]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[Input_Method]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Adelaide]] and other changes |
| 16:03.27 | nulucas | do_rootfs is now breaking on "tmp/rootfs not found" (it "rm -rf" it before) |
| 16:03.30 | nulucas | http://pastebin.ca/666946 |
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| 16:04.11 | serenity | hi |
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| 16:04.22 | yoyo | nulucas: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=740 |
| 16:04.33 | serenity | where can i find the keys for [aux] and [power] within qemu? |
| 16:04.40 | yoyo | allmoust :P |
| 16:05.24 | yoyo | serenity: space and return |
| 16:05.27 | serenity | thx |
| 16:05.31 | nulucas | yoyo, it's not the same bug as before (not the bin bug). it's afer the last update |
| 16:05.55 | eggsy | kristian-m: That patch worked on on 32 bit - 64 bit host craps out trying to read control.tar.gz |
| 16:06.11 | eggsy | kristian-m: i'll have to investigate that later |
| 16:06.45 | yoyo | nulucas: chk if there is a [/home/lucas/moko/build/tmp/rootfs] path |
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| 16:08.32 | nulucas | yoyo, it's "rm -rf"'ed before, as I said (in the updated script) |
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| 16:09.03 | nulucas | yoyo, anyway, i guess someone is working on it, so i'll just wait |
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| 16:09.26 | xzcvczx | lol to think that running out of harddrive space requires me to upgrade my entire server :( |
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| 16:09.59 | yoyo | nulucas: in file [moko2.orig/openembedded/classes/image.bbclass] there is a if part and in it there is a mkdir -p :) it shood create directory chk |
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| 16:11.06 | kristian-m | eggsy for me it worked on 64 bit |
| 16:12.08 | eggsy | kristian-m: maybe it's my python2.5 install? Have to check later. |
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| 16:14.28 | nulucas | yoyo, if you go at line 71 of that file, you'll see the "rm -rf" before makedevs |
| 16:14.46 | jseghers | Is anyone else getting a problem during the do_unpack phase of linux? |
| 16:15.11 | jseghers | for 2007.2 |
| 16:15.36 | zipola | Do we have any screenshots of the new UI? |
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| 16:17.54 | nulucas | yoyo, I don't see any "mkdir" on that file, but I'll try update now |
| 16:18.28 | stefan_schmidt | nulucas, yoyo: Please update OE.dev and try again. I RP pushed a fix some seconds ago. |
| 16:18.42 | DPThought | everyone is bashing the color scheme. I like it. // If someone is interested in my opinion |
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| 16:20.08 | nulucas | stefan_schmidt, thanks, doing it now |
| 16:20.46 | nulucas | stefan_schmidt, oops, multple heads ;-) |
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| 16:21.17 | stefan_schmidt | nulucas: Just wait some minutes. That gets fixed automatically within 15 minutes |
| 16:22.01 | nulucas | stefan_schmidt, ok, tanks |
| 16:22.20 | DPThought | zipola: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=1 popped up in the mailing list recently. |
| 16:22.51 | zipola | Thanks. |
| 16:23.08 | stefan_schmidt | nulucas: But it will fail on the dialer now. :) |
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| 16:23.28 | stefan_schmidt | nulucas: At least the rootfs problem is fixed at least |
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| 16:24.05 | nulucas | stefan_schmidt, hehe, I was kinda expecting something like that |
| 16:28.27 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2792 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/sounds/ (8 files): Copy new ringtone from OM-2007 |
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| 16:34.26 | aloril | lets hope this guy will have a lot (fake) fits when OpenMoko and Neo1973* gets really successful: http://itconservative.blogspot.com/2007/08/google-phone-might-be-based-on-openmoko.html |
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| 16:35.05 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2793 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c src/moko-history.c): |
| 16:35.05 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 16:35.05 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_call_progress_changed): |
| 16:35.05 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-history.c: (history_add_entry): |
| 16:35.05 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Update for new Journal types. |
| 16:35.20 | yoyo | :) |
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| 16:37.32 | aloril | wired blogs, nothing new here: http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/07/hands-on-with-t.html |
| 16:38.29 | aloril | pretty high on english blog search: http://paste.lisp.org/display/46549 (Paste number 46549: final patch for mickeyl) pasted by zecke |
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| 16:50.01 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2794 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): |
| 16:50.01 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-22 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 16:50.01 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_dial_clicked): |
| 16:50.01 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Check uid is valid before adding to the journal object. |
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| 16:54.39 | yoyo | :) contacts-history.c enum problem have alsow :) |
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| 17:00.11 | aloril | (script) planet: Marcin "hrw" Juszkiewicz: OpenMoko 2007.2 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/08/22/openmoko-20072/ |
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| 17:03.49 | serenity | re |
| 17:04.05 | serenity | are there any other keys for openmoko within qemu? |
| 17:04.14 | serenity | other than: return and space |
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| 17:16.12 | hrw | iirc you can run qemu with full usb keyboard emulation |
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| 17:16.36 | hrw | bye |
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| 17:21.50 | hhf423 | hmmm, still have to stop X, restart gsmd and strt X to get to the bloody PIN question |
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| 17:23.48 | FuzzyCat | yay.. managed a screenshot |
| 17:24.18 | cw666 | FuzzyCat: on real hw or emulator? |
| 17:24.24 | FuzzyCat | real |
| 17:24.40 | FuzzyCat | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/index.php?page=1 |
| 17:24.44 | FuzzyCat | first image |
| 17:24.56 | FuzzyCat | (id 221) |
| 17:26.38 | FuzzyCat | although. that 1 missed call is a lie |
| 17:26.51 | ferric | MOO |
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| 17:27.51 | wastrel | nice |
| 17:27.57 | wastrel | what's the windowmanager in the first screenshot? |
| 17:28.38 | pH5 | wastrel: matchbox |
| 17:29.02 | FuzzyCat | yes.. the words matchbox appear lots: ) |
| 17:31.08 | hhf423 | hahaha, I saved the screenshot of a screenshot |
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| 17:36.19 | hhf423 | and the screenshot of a screenshot of a screenshot! |
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| 17:37.52 | hhf423 | oooh, but the sound switching seems to work |
| 17:38.32 | pH5 | ~lart 16bit banding artifacts :( |
| 17:38.32 | apt | changes 16bit banding artifacts :('s permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
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| 17:40.52 | mentax | hi all |
| 17:41.01 | pH5 | hi mentax |
| 17:41.26 | mentax | please tell me what player using in openmoko? |
| 17:42.04 | CM | mentax: Audio? |
| 17:42.09 | mentax | how i make play mp3 |
| 17:42.17 | mentax | Cm yes |
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| 17:42.31 | fgau | mentax: madplay foo.mp3 |
| 17:42.55 | mentax | fgay thanks |
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| 17:43.34 | hozer | does madplay do oggs ? |
| 17:43.48 | hozer | ogg123 takes about 80-90% of the cpu ;) |
| 17:43.54 | wastrel | ogg |
| 17:44.19 | pH5 | hozer: what lib does it use to decode? |
| 17:44.34 | pH5 | mplayer with ivorbis uses about 24% at 206MHz |
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| 17:46.16 | hozer | hrrm.. how do I change the frequency |
| 17:46.23 | hozer | I had a high-bit rate ogg also |
| 17:46.31 | hozer | 256Kbps or so |
| 17:46.46 | pH5 | hozer: u-boot, there is no cpufreq patch in the kernel yet |
| 17:47.38 | hozer | but I'd like to have mokomakefile work at least once ;) |
| 17:47.43 | pH5 | heh |
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| 17:48.03 | hozer | it's been dieing on something that wants WebKitGDK |
| 17:49.32 | hhf423 | hmm, if I do madplay /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/ringtone_thereisnophone.mp3 I hear nothing |
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| 17:52.04 | fgau | NOTE: build 200708221936: completed |
| 17:52.46 | hozer | fgau: was that today? |
| 17:52.55 | hhf423 | hahaha |
| 17:52.57 | fgau | yep |
| 17:53.07 | hozer | errr, I mean who built that and from what sources |
| 17:53.25 | fgau | mokomakefile |
| 17:54.08 | hozer | NOTE: Task failed: /vicepb/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/openmoko-rssreader-0.0.1+svnnow-r1_2386/temp/log.do_configure.19913 |
| 17:54.08 | hozer | my rssreader build is failing |
| 17:54.26 | hozer | there was some pastage there I didn't see.. |
| 17:54.47 | hhf423 | mentax: to play something, you need to first switch the spakers on: "alsactl -f /etc/alsa/stereoout.state restore" and then you can play something like "madplay /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/ringtone_thereisnophone.mp3" |
| 17:55.22 | hozer | checking for WEBKITGTK... Package WebKitGdk was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
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| 17:56.27 | hhf423 | hahaha |
| 17:56.43 | hhf423 | if I call the neo it doe not stop vibrating when I hang up |
| 17:57.03 | fgau | hozer: try make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image |
| 18:00.36 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco]] [[Bootloader]] [[MacOS_X]] [[Talk:Can_I_become_a_distributor%3F]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Detroit]] [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973/ru]] [[SettingsGUI]] [[Wish_List]] |
| 18:01.55 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Is GTA2 UMA/GAN capable |
| 18:02.53 | hozer | aaaahh |
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| 18:11.17 | barmeier | does anybody know if /dev/ttySAC1 has a baudrate ? |
| 18:11.33 | hhf423 | barmeier: why? |
| 18:12.23 | barmeier | Iw ould like to experiment with the gsm modem. But if I want to open it from a C source I need to setup the baudrate !? |
| 18:12.40 | jseghers | OK... I've done update-makefile, clobber-patches, setup, openmoko-devel-image. I'm getting this http://pastebin.com/d3853a8cb error from uboot-openmoko |
| 18:12.47 | jseghers | Anyone know a workaround? |
| 18:13.46 | hhf423 | barmeier: ah, no idea, but should that not be obvious from gsmd source? |
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| 18:15.12 | barmeier | hhf423: of course you are right, I will look it up there thanks. |
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| 18:17.38 | LaF0rge | barmeier: 115200 |
| 18:18.22 | cw666 | speaking of gsmd, i'm assuming it's not possible (chipset limitation) to connect to a network w/o a sim card right? |
| 18:18.51 | cw666 | it would be nice to be able to 'soft clone' my sim card i have no w/o having to pay the telco for another one given only one device would be powered up at any one time |
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| 18:22.01 | Elrond | Hi LaF0rge |
| 18:22.55 | parag0n | cw666, you can clone a sim card using a small sim cloning thing iirc |
| 18:23.06 | barmeier | LaForge: thank you ! |
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| 18:25.46 | cw666 | parag0n: yeah, but i need a second sim for that, which i guess i can find |
| 18:26.06 | cw666 | and then i need a 'cloning thing' which i doubt the carrier will do for me :-) |
| 18:26.51 | hrw | scap.linuxtogo.org refreshed a bit |
| 18:27.19 | borg_ | cw666: you have to be able to connect to a network w/o a sim card |
| 18:27.28 | borg_ | otherwise you couldnt call the police |
| 18:27.44 | cw666 | borg_: right, i figured that was the case ... except then how does the hw decide which network to connect to? |
| 18:28.00 | SpeedEvil | borg_: only in some countries. |
| 18:28.03 | radiorental | anyone had issues with powering up antenna on a card that worked in 2007.1? |
| 18:28.06 | SpeedEvil | Not in the UK. |
| 18:28.07 | borg_ | in germany for sure |
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| 18:28.28 | hhf423 | radiorental: issues now in 2007.2? |
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| 18:28.49 | cw666 | i can't seem to get the radio working w/o a sim card here, but it's been a bit fragile so it might have been bad luck |
| 18:28.57 | radiorental | hhf423, 50% of the time in 2007.1 not 100% in .2 |
| 18:29.09 | radiorental | now 100% in 2007.2 |
| 18:29.23 | radiorental | the taskbar blanks |
| 18:29.26 | hhf423 | cw666: in germany, some providers give you a SIM card clone so that you can have one in your mobile and one in your car phone. only one can be active at one time, though |
| 18:29.56 | hhf423 | radiorental: did you update to the latest level with ipkg? |
| 18:29.59 | cw666 | hhf423: yeah, that would be fine... i'll ask t-mobile but i suspect they'll tell me to get another card and pay them more money |
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| 18:30.09 | hhf423 | radiorental: ipkg update && ipkg upgrade |
| 18:30.34 | radiorental | no, I just took the snapshot this morning |
| 18:30.42 | radiorental | I havent been building |
| 18:30.42 | hhf423 | cw666: ask them. otherwise do it like I did and get yourself a second prepaid sim for the neo to test |
| 18:31.11 | hhf423 | radiorental: you can now run ipkg update && ipkg upgrade directly from the phone if you have usb networking configured |
| 18:31.20 | radiorental | tnx! |
| 18:31.51 | hhf423 | radiorental: but even with the latest stuff from an hour ago, I had to stop X, restart gsmd and the start X to make it ask for the PIN. but since then it is working |
| 18:33.09 | mdt | hhf423, seems u are a ipkg guru, when i use mokomakefile it did a package file in build/tmp/deploy/ipk some weeks ago but now it doesnt. i would like to update my neo with my local ipkgs - how can i generate a package file? |
| 18:33.13 | hhf423 | radiorental: you ssh to the phone and do /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm stop, /etc/init.d/gsmd start and /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start & and should be fine |
| 18:33.21 | keny_ | how is xephyr+openmoko for developing? does it behave well when developing applications or even system? or is it more recommended for people wanting to see how it looks like? |
| 18:33.38 | radiorental | hmmm, I'm not really that bothered about making calls, just wondering if it was a known issue. I'm more interested in designing a better way to navigate. I dont think the iphone 'flick' is ever going to work on a resistive screen |
| 18:33.40 | mintee | is there a prebuild for 2007.2 or do i have to build it with mokomakefile |
| 18:34.00 | hhf423 | mdt: I am no guru on ipkg, I just run it from the official server, no idea how to include local stuff |
| 18:34.04 | radiorental | thanks hhf423 |
| 18:34.17 | mdt | hhf423, thnx anyway ;) |
| 18:34.30 | dmalcolm_ | mintee: I downloaded prebuilt 2007.2 from the site last night; can't remember URL |
| 18:34.34 | hhf423 | mdt, radiorental: np |
| 18:35.05 | stefan_schmidt | Not sure who asked some time ago. |
| 18:35.16 | stefan_schmidt | openmoko-devel-image builds fine again. |
| 18:35.24 | mintee | dmalcolm_, "the site" like from svn? |
| 18:35.39 | hhf423 | radiorental: I hope it is a known issue :-) but form what I can see its getting better. the top menu bar crashed on me all the time, since today or yesterday only half the time |
| 18:35.59 | radiorental | only half the time (o; |
| 18:36.09 | mintee | ah, nevermind... i don't mind building it now that I read "The MokoMakefile is able to build either OM-2007.1 or OM-2007.2 images. The core team chooses the default, but you can select one or the other at the top of the Makefile." |
| 18:36.14 | fgau | stefan_schmidt:rischtisch |
| 18:36.18 | radiorental | the law of radioactive decay dictates we should be good to go by..... |
| 18:36.20 | jseghers | stefan_schmidt: I've been having tons of problems with it today. |
| 18:36.21 | hhf423 | radiorental: well, its an improvement, you have to acknowledge that :-) |
| 18:36.32 | radiorental | oh no, its awesome |
| 18:36.49 | radiorental | for alpha2 its awesome |
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| 18:37.25 | hhf423 | I'd be happy if it would stop vibrating if the caller hangs up before you take the call on the neo, though :-) |
| 18:37.26 | dmalcolm_ | mintee: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/ IIRC |
| 18:37.32 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2795 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/boot-from-ram-reloc.patch: |
| 18:37.32 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * fix start.S recent patch merge mistake that prevented the interrupt handlers |
| 18:37.32 | CIA-20 | openmoko: from being properly set (overwritten) while booting from jtag. |
| 18:37.49 | stefan_schmidt | jseghers: There was a lot breakage today indeed. Buildsystem and code wise |
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| 18:38.14 | radiorental | hhf423: 'feature' |
| 18:38.15 | stefan_schmidt | jseghers: But it runs through for me since my last pull. |
| 18:38.26 | mintee | dmalcolm_, sweet, thanks |
| 18:38.55 | jseghers | stefan: when did you do your last pull? |
| 18:39.00 | mintee | that's what i've heard |
| 18:39.08 | stefan_schmidt | jseghers: Two minutes ago |
| 18:39.34 | borg_ | hehe |
| 18:39.35 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2796 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (28 files): |
| 18:39.35 | CIA-20 | openmoko: cosmetic: re-sync all patches with current upstream code, making sure no line |
| 18:39.35 | CIA-20 | openmoko: offset or fuzzy hunks remain. |
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| 18:39.51 | jseghers | stefan: OK... I'll give it yet another try :) |
| 18:39.58 | stefan_schmidt | jseghers: :) |
| 18:40.15 | nulucas | it build ok for me some 2 hours ago |
| 18:40.53 | borg_ | can download an openmoko-mediaplayer2 ipk somewhere? |
| 18:41.01 | borg_ | s/can/can i/ |
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| 18:41.28 | borg_ | or can someone tell me how i can compile it? |
| 18:42.06 | borg_ | or is the thing in trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2 not compileable at the momment? |
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| 18:51.26 | jseghers | stefan: I just ran update-makefile, clobber-patches, setup, manually deleted all uboot-* stamps and I get: http://pastebin.com/d61393085 |
| 18:51.53 | ScaredyCat | clean it |
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| 18:52.21 | ScaredyCat | bitbake -c clean uboot-openmoko |
| 18:52.48 | stefan_schmidt | jseghers: Does update-makefile also updates the OE metadata? |
| 18:53.02 | stefan_schmidt | jseghers: That stuff need to be updated as well. |
| 18:53.19 | ScaredyCat | use make update |
| 18:53.29 | stefan_schmidt | jseghers: u-boot should now be pinned down to a working version until we have a working tree again |
| 18:53.31 | jseghers | OK I'll try that. |
| 18:54.06 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: Thanks for translating it into MokoMakefil'isch |
| 18:54.48 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 18:55.23 | jseghers | yep, looks like monotone is pulling stuff in... that's the step I've been missing. Thanks. |
| 18:56.57 | stefan_schmidt | jseghers: Lets hope ;) |
| 18:58.35 | hhf423 | hmmm, no new images on http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/?C=M;O=D |
| 18:58.35 | ScaredyCat | you ca do a make clean-package-<whatever> |
| 18:58.39 | hhf423 | thats unusual |
| 18:58.42 | ScaredyCat | can also |
| 18:59.40 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - BTW: You volunteered to look at simple patches from me a while back, right? ;) |
| 18:59.44 | jseghers | ScaredyCat: I'd been doing make clean-package-uboot-openmoko many, many times yesterday and today... but it doesn't pull the stuff that update does. |
| 18:59.55 | ScaredyCat | no.. |
| 19:00.07 | ScaredyCat | it just cleans |
| 19:00.55 | jseghers | ScaredyCat, Stefan: it's past the errors I was getting...in do_compile... I think I should be OK now :) Thanks |
| 19:01.07 | ScaredyCat | iirc i had similar issues this morning, a clean +update fixed it |
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| 19:03.20 | stefan_schmidt | jseghers: Good to hear |
| 19:03.28 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: I did? Really? ;) |
| 19:03.40 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Shall I dig up logs? ;o) |
| 19:03.45 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: heh |
| 19:03.53 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Give me a pointer |
| 19:04.07 | Elrond | . o O (Or fake up logs if needed? ;o) ) |
| 19:04.17 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - http://en.pastebin.ca/667137 |
| 19:04.48 | hhf423 | bwahahaha http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/roflmfao.jpg |
| 19:05.07 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Trailing whitespace? |
| 19:06.06 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Yep. |
| 19:06.21 | Elrond | While looking at the u-boot patches it came up. ;) |
| 19:06.28 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: For u-boot patches I would like to stay away right now. Harald is working on it in the nights and it would be not fair if he need to refresh the whole set of patches for a whitspace |
| 19:06.48 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Let this one sit for later |
| 19:07.11 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: About the other one in bugzilla I poked Harald and werner. |
| 19:07.23 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Will poke them again in some days |
| 19:07.37 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Yeah, saw laforge reassigning it to werner. |
| 19:07.40 | dcordes | how can I get a keyboard in the new ui? |
| 19:07.59 | ScaredyCat | start the input manager |
| 19:08.16 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Yeah, he like to let werner review it. I'll continue poking about it |
| 19:08.18 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 19:08.48 | stefan_schmidt | dcordes: It should popup once you need it. :) (Besides the terminal) |
| 19:09.04 | pH5 | dcordes: do you have a gsm modem? |
| 19:09.26 | stefan_schmidt | dcordes: It works with a gtk-inputmethod now. |
| 19:09.28 | stefan_schmidt | hi pH5 |
| 19:09.48 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: From what I can see from DHL the HTC should arrive tomorrow |
| 19:10.00 | pH5 | hej stefan_schmidt |
| 19:10.07 | pH5 | yeah, I'm still sitting in front of the dhl's packet tracking page ;) |
| 19:10.18 | ScaredyCat | memphis |
| 19:10.28 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: heh, you should stop reading xkcd ;) |
| 19:10.49 | pH5 | definitely |
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| 19:11.26 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: wrt QVGA theme. I'm looking forward to it. We can now do phone calls with audio on some EZX devices. Time for OpenMoko starts. :) |
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| 19:12.19 | pH5 | voice calls on ezx? nice, soon om will be all over the place. |
| 19:12.22 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: There will be hopefully some discussion about an EZX vendor plugin on gsmd-devel soon |
| 19:12.39 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: Yeah, ezx-asoc :) |
| 19:12.44 | minthome | everytime i think i turn the neo off, (hold down the button for > 9ish seconds) if I come back like 12 hours later the entire battery is dead. Am i turning it off wrong? |
| 19:13.21 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: ezx vendor plugin can be hard. We get, bt address, battery status, gps data, etc. from the BP |
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| 19:14.13 | pH5 | stefan_schmidt: we should think about merging vendor/machine plugins again like harald proposed, and have hooks all over the place where they can plug in. |
| 19:14.23 | Vegar | minthome: you have to remove the battery for about 10 seconds after turning it off to make sure everything is shut down |
| 19:14.55 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: Yeah, some callbacks for device specific stuff would be good. |
| 19:14.56 | minthome | oh, damn... that's a problem. heh |
| 19:15.01 | minthome | thanks Vegar |
| 19:15.30 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: That's why I like FOSS. The design grows with the problem and the different scenarios. |
| 19:15.37 | pH5 | stefan_schmidt: will gps data go through gsmd? I thought the demultiplexing is done in the kernel? |
| 19:15.58 | ScaredyCat | gps through gsmd ?! |
| 19:16.10 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: On a Motorola A780 |
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| 19:16.19 | ScaredyCat | ah ok.. |
| 19:16.50 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: Kernel, yes. But the whole way of the pakets is still somewaht undefined. We will get this right while discussion about it. |
| 19:16.55 | pH5 | on my phone I have to do voice call volume and bluetooth audio routing through the gsm uart |
| 19:17.30 | ScaredyCat | England 1 : Germany 0 |
| 19:17.41 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: On this phone the GPS is connected to the GSM modem directly and the whole communication is done via TS07.10 over serial over usb :) |
| 19:17.57 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 19:18.02 | ScaredyCat | but it works? |
| 19:18.25 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: With motorolas 2.4.20 yes. |
| 19:18.40 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: But our 2.6 port is getting into better shape now. |
| 19:18.54 | ScaredyCat | nice.... |
| 19:19.02 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: Not sure about bt audio. The audio part on the ezx side is a hell :) |
| 19:19.21 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: So we just need OpenMoko on the top. :) |
| 19:19.39 | ScaredyCat | is it me or is the screen on that tiny tiny |
| 19:20.00 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: Size is ok. QVGA |
| 19:20.03 | *** join/#openmoko zell1983 (n=zell1983@host160-85-dynamic.7-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 19:20.14 | ScaredyCat | a.. ok, I se.. it opens up |
| 19:20.43 | ScaredyCat | smart use of the screen when closed.. |
| 19:20.48 | ScaredyCat | use the top bit |
| 19:21.31 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: Ah, yeah. On the front the is just some look-through plastic for the screen behind |
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| 19:25.12 | ScaredyCat | yeah, cheaper than a 2nd screen, in price and power requirements :) |
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| 19:26.47 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: And looks scary. :) |
| 19:27.05 | ScaredyCat | hehehe |
| 19:27.10 | dcordes | stefan_schmidt: sorry for the delay: matchbox-keyboard-im is broken in angstrom-repo. Think that's the reason I don't get the input method? |
| 19:27.39 | dcordes | pH5: No unofortunately I don't have a gsm modem for my zaurus but I was thinking about getting one |
| 19:28.32 | stefan_schmidt | dcordes: You need matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod. That one is from poky with all the needed magic. Not that easy to merge with the matchbox-keyboard bb but at some point we need to do it. |
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| 19:29.23 | dcordes | stefan_schmidt: alright let me try |
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| 19:32.50 | ScaredyCat | jseghers: has it build ok yet ? |
| 19:33.34 | dcordes | somebody knows a good compact flash card with a recent GSM modem chipset? |
| 19:33.40 | ScaredyCat | England 1 : Germany 1 |
| 19:33.56 | dcordes | go germany! |
| 19:34.26 | ScaredyCat | that wont help you.. >:) |
| 19:34.50 | BryceLeo | any manage to get their hands on a 4gb sdhc? |
| 19:35.25 | stefan_schmidt | BryceLeo: Yes, look at the updated bug entry. :) |
| 19:35.43 | BryceLeo | ahh ok, I was searching the wiki |
| 19:36.08 | stefan_schmidt | BryceLeo: I have one here. Gets detected and I can mount it. |
| 19:36.44 | stefan_schmidt | BryceLeo: Still some problems with transfer large files, but that seems not SDHC related. |
| 19:37.05 | BryceLeo | that's awesome, what good news |
| 19:37.23 | stefan_schmidt | BryceLeo: More a general bug with s3cmci atm. There is another bugreport about that. |
| 19:37.35 | BryceLeo | awesome thanks |
| 19:37.49 | stefan_schmidt | BryceLeo: Yeah, it's sweet when df -h tells you 3.8GB free :) |
| 19:37.53 | mjr | hmm, sdhc confirmed working? cool |
| 19:38.00 | BryceLeo | and i haven't wiki'd or bugged but openmoko-devel-image isn't building right? |
| 19:38.57 | stefan_schmidt | mjr: Still some tests needed, but it looks got. |
| 19:39.22 | mjr | *nod* |
| 19:39.46 | stefan_schmidt | mjr: As John Gilmore pointed out is the most different stuff done before the card get detected and being able to mount. And that is working. |
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| 19:40.38 | torpor | hi |
| 19:40.46 | stefan_schmidt | hi torpor |
| 19:41.14 | torpor | hi stefan_schmidt |
| 19:41.33 | gnu_ | stefan_schmidt: Just noticed today that Toshiba announced 8GB MicroSD cards to ship in october. (and 16 and 32GB SDHC cards) |
| 19:41.53 | BryceLeo | they'll be a while in shipping |
| 19:41.55 | BryceLeo | as usual |
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| 19:42.48 | stefan_schmidt | gnu_: Yeah, samsung announced 8GB microSDHC some months ago already. Still waiting. I hope we can get one at the end of the year. |
| 19:43.48 | BryceLeo | well good old samsung had that factory shutdown |
| 19:44.08 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: call samsung germany? or ask hama if they have cards? |
| 19:44.49 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: I wrote sandisk. Never got a reply. The 4GB I have now is from an online store |
| 19:45.08 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: How is your flat btw? Still crowded? |
| 19:45.44 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: yes, I share it with a lot of air |
| 19:46.13 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: :) |
| 19:46.13 | zecke | I need to get a couple of chair's soon :) |
| 19:46.24 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: And a pinball machine |
| 19:46.31 | zecke | hehe |
| 19:46.40 | zecke | actually I try to talk my boss into buying one |
| 19:46.45 | minthome | hum... ERROR: '/home/mintee/moko/openembedded/packages/qemu/qemu-native_20070613.bb' failed |
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| 19:47.11 | minthome | i'm not even trying to build a qemu build |
| 19:47.18 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Oh, be careful. You know his background. He will think the next would be a sofa... |
| 19:47.30 | ScaredyCat | England 1 : Germany 2 |
| 19:47.40 | borg_ | lol |
| 19:47.42 | borg_ | i have no tv here |
| 19:47.47 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: I think convergence didn't have a pinball machine |
| 19:47.48 | borg_ | but i knew it |
| 19:47.49 | hhf423 | ha, we're giving it to the limey's |
| 19:47.54 | ScaredyCat | was a good goal |
| 19:47.55 | hhf423 | limies? |
| 19:48.01 | borg_ | my neighbours screamed |
| 19:48.03 | borg_ | :D |
| 19:48.14 | ScaredyCat | nearly 2:2 then |
| 19:48.25 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Are you sure? ;) |
| 19:48.28 | radiorental | limeys |
| 19:48.30 | hhf423 | thats what you believe! |
| 19:48.53 | ScaredyCat | Germans don;t get to cal us limeys |
| 19:49.13 | torpor | they invented the term, so why not? |
| 19:49.15 | ScaredyCat | the septics can |
| 19:49.16 | hhf423 | why is that? |
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| 19:49.29 | radiorental | alright then, Gerry's giving Tommy a good 'ol thrashing.. whato? |
| 19:49.41 | ScaredyCat | that's better ;) |
| 19:49.55 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: I have not seen any pictures indicating otherwise |
| 19:50.15 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: heh |
| 19:50.58 | hhf423 | wikipedia: Limey is an old American and Canadian slang nickname for the British, originally referring to British sailors. |
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| 19:51.06 | Ghiottone | hello all |
| 19:51.37 | stefan_schmidt | BTW: rm_work works fine again with bitbake 1.8.8 and the newest metadata. Only 1.8GB after a full build |
| 19:51.55 | ScaredyCat | hurrah!! |
| 19:52.49 | ScaredyCat | how did he miss that! |
| 19:52.58 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: Best way is: find / -name *.avi | xargs rm -rf ;) |
| 19:53.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 744 has been created by <autobuild-report> |
| 19:53.01 | cdbot2 | * * qemu-native-0.9.0+cvs20070613-r4-do_populate_staging |
| 19:53.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=744 |
| 19:53.04 | radiorental | has anyone had their battery indicator read full? |
| 19:53.09 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.17 | kristian-m | radiorental /me too |
| 19:53.17 | Aria | Yes, radiorental |
| 19:53.20 | ScaredyCat | lol stefan_schmidt |
| 19:53.36 | radiorental | mine never gets past 90% (ish) |
| 19:53.43 | radiorental | tnx |
| 19:54.23 | radiorental | related: what 'standby' time are people getting. Mine bonks out after about 6 hours |
| 19:54.37 | ScaredyCat | mine lasts overnight |
| 19:54.41 | radiorental | k |
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| 19:55.00 | torpor | mine zonks after 4 to 5 hours |
| 19:55.19 | ScaredyCat | are you useing the 'full pm' ? |
| 19:55.27 | radiorental | ok, thought I might has a suspect battery, guess not |
| 19:55.45 | radiorental | havent tried that on .2 |
| 19:55.49 | radiorental | willdo |
| 19:56.25 | radiorental | ehehe.. now that I know what it means... |
| 19:56.57 | Aria | Mine |
| 19:57.01 | Aria | Mine's about 7 hours. |
| 19:57.07 | Aria | with .2 |
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| 19:57.53 | ScaredyCat | # |
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| 19:59.34 | Ghiottone | is there anyone who is using 2007.2? I'm interested to know if the file /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf exists |
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| 19:59.59 | fray | Is there a way to get the serial console one a neo1973 via USB? I want more control over watching the thing booting and what it's doing |
| 20:00.00 | aloril | fray: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 20:00.36 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[SettingsGUI]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[Hammerhead/Protocol]] [[Talk:Can_I_become_a_distributor%3F]] [[User:Andyfrommk]] |
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| 20:00.54 | gnu_ | Ghiottone: it does not exist |
| 20:01.19 | Ghiottone | gnu_, great thank you. I thought that I had overwritten it. |
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| 20:03.02 | dcordes | stefan_schmidt: on attempt to install matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod ipkg is saying matchbox-keyboard installed is up to date. nothing to be done |
| 20:04.21 | stefan_schmidt | dcordes: Both packages provides matchbox-keyboard. You have to remove the old one, perhaps with -force-depends |
| 20:05.00 | fray | ok.. I rechecked the FAQ.. only thing I can access via the serial port is uboot.. but once I hit boot it displays on the screen instead of hte serial console (in fact the serial console disappears).. any suggestions? |
| 20:06.29 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: you mean if there is /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf on a .2 image/installation? |
| 20:09.04 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: http://pastebin.ca/667212 |
| 20:09.39 | torpor | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.40 | Ghiottone | yes |
| 20:10.25 | Ghiottone | hhf423, thank you :) |
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| 20:11.18 | Ghiottone | now it seems that after I have restarted the xserver neo's lcd is staying off. I'm trying to force its brightness but with no effect. any suggestion? |
| 20:12.23 | Ghiottone | oh. a restart fixed it. |
| 20:13.06 | hhf423 | Ghiottone: should there be a base feed? |
| 20:13.20 | *** part/#openmoko barmeier (n=barmeier@dslb-088-072-007-228.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 20:13.20 | quicksand | Hi folks. |
| 20:13.43 | stefan_schmidt | torpor: You are using the makefile? |
| 20:13.48 | torpor | yup |
| 20:13.50 | quicksand | hhf423 and Ghiottone: I just updated the wiki with instructions on how to get ipkg to pull from your local build machine. |
| 20:14.03 | stefan_schmidt | torpor: make update should update the OE metadata for you. |
| 20:14.05 | quicksand | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Updating_your_image |
| 20:14.20 | stefan_schmidt | torpor: Should run through now. |
| 20:14.35 | torpor | ok its building qemu-native now, but i had done an update about 2 minutes ago .. |
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| 20:15.04 | torpor | nice one quicksand |
| 20:15.06 | Ghiottone | hhf423, I don't know. there was one in 2007.1. I created a custom version to pull from my local machine. When I first installed 2007.2 I copied it into /etc/ipkg/ without first looking at what was there |
| 20:15.17 | stefan_schmidt | torpor: the rootfs building bug was fixed some hours ago |
| 20:15.28 | torpor | with this setup it should be very nice to write apps for openmoko .. |
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| 20:15.44 | torpor | stefan_schmidt: okay i've done an update and i'm trying to bring my build up to date. .. |
| 20:15.46 | Ghiottone | hhf423, so I though that I have overwritten it. when I then learned that I could not mount as loopback the jffs2 image I came here to ask |
| 20:15.48 | *** part/#openmoko wansti (n=wansti@a064.apm.etc.tu-bs.de) |
| 20:15.56 | torpor | .ckear |
| 20:15.58 | quicksand | Ghiottone: 2007.2 comes with six .conf files in /etc/ipkg -- three to pull from the snapshot repository (fic-gta01, armv4t, and all) and three to pull from recent autobuilds. |
| 20:18.22 | Ghiottone | quicksand, what I put in my base-feed.conf is almost the same as your local-feed.conf |
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| 20:18.37 | quicksand | Their names are: snapshot-*-feed.conf and updates-*-feed.comf |
| 20:18.43 | quicksand | s/comf/conf/ |
| 20:19.01 | quicksand | Yeah, it shouldn't really matter what you call it. |
| 20:19.04 | Ghiottone | wow! that's a feature! |
| 20:19.37 | torpor | very nice writeup quicksand |
| 20:19.42 | mentax | when i want play music using madplay i have error: /dev/dsp: Device or resource is busy |
| 20:19.51 | quicksand | Thanks. Hope it helps a few folks. |
| 20:19.59 | Ghiottone | quicksand, I think adding that make build-package-package-index forces the update of the Packages.gz files might be useful to that wiki page |
| 20:20.04 | torpor | definitely |
| 20:20.14 | quicksand | Aha, that's the target! |
| 20:20.31 | mentax | what i may do? |
| 20:20.50 | quicksand | I knew building the image would do it as a side effect -- but I didn't know how to do it directly. Thx Ghiottone. You want to edit that in? |
| 20:21.56 | mentax | torpor hi |
| 20:22.06 | torpor | hi mentax |
| 20:22.14 | Ghiottone | no I think it's better if you do it, thanks. it is also a tip not from myself but I'm just repeating what I was told :) |
| 20:22.21 | torpor | nope, qemu-native is busted |
| 20:22.30 | mentax | torpor you may help me? |
| 20:22.42 | mentax | torpor when i want play music using madplay i have error: /dev/dsp: Device or resource is busy |
| 20:22.43 | torpor | mentax: dependson your problem, but i have my own things to work out too .. |
| 20:23.04 | torpor | you probably have to kill the default openembedded sound server .. |
| 20:23.08 | quicksand | OK, no problem. It will have to wait until tonight (California time) because I don't have access to my machine right now -- and I don't want to screw it up. :) |
| 20:23.32 | bmidgley|away | mokomakefile chokes on patching uboot :( |
| 20:23.35 | bmidgley|away | 2007.2 |
| 20:23.49 | Ghiottone | mentax, try with lsof |grep dsp |
| 20:24.05 | quicksand | bmidgley: I have been seeing that too. Broken check-in, I would guess. |
| 20:24.19 | quicksand | I haven't looked into it further. |
| 20:26.51 | ScaredyCat | bmidgley: clean the package, update oe and rerty |
| 20:27.23 | ScaredyCat | retry |
| 20:27.24 | bmidgley | ScaredyCat: how do I clean uboot and update oe? |
| 20:27.42 | ScaredyCat | make clean-package-uboot-openmoko |
| 20:27.51 | ScaredyCat | (if you use the mokomakefile |
| 20:27.52 | ScaredyCat | ) |
| 20:28.01 | ScaredyCat | then make update |
| 20:28.13 | ScaredyCat | then make openmoko-devel-image |
| 20:31.56 | quicksand | ScaredyCat: what are you talking about? Some kind of game where you hit balls with your foot? Like a foot-ball game thing? Sounds kinda like soccer. ;) |
| 20:32.29 | torpor | is it going to be possible to build for my sharp zaurus sl5500 target with the openmoko tree as well as for neo1973? |
| 20:32.34 | torpor | coz that'd be very damn nice. |
| 20:32.58 | hrw | torpor: there is no openmoko tree anymore |
| 20:33.15 | ScaredyCat | aye, we call it "kick the pigs bladder" quicksand ;) |
| 20:33.22 | hrw | torpor: you mean: is it going to be possible to build for my sharp zaurus sl5500 target with the openmoko build dir as well as for neo1973?? |
| 20:33.29 | torpor | yup |
| 20:33.31 | torpor | thats what i mean |
| 20:33.32 | hrw | torpor: it will in that case |
| 20:33.35 | torpor | ok |
| 20:33.38 | torpor | that is nice! |
| 20:33.48 | hrw | but sl5500 will get 2.6 kernel which is experimental and not ready for users |
| 20:33.57 | torpor | also nice! ;) |
| 20:34.00 | quicksand | torpor: But you'll be waiting a long time for that phone to ring . . . maybe even a little longer than Neo owners. |
| 20:34.04 | torpor | heh heh. |
| 20:34.12 | torpor | i just want a nice gui on my sl5500 finally .. |
| 20:34.33 | torpor | its serving as a dictionary/wikipedia machine right now, so it'll be nice to give it a nicer update to the GUI if thats going to be possible.. |
| 20:34.52 | torpor | just can't bring myself to sell the damn thing .. had it since the beginning, and its just too sentimental .. |
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| 20:36.15 | jgm | Evening. Does anyone know if gsmd is able to tell me what country I am in (an dpreferably which region)? |
| 20:36.28 | jgm | Or alternatively is there something else out there that could tell me the same? |
| 20:36.38 | guaqua | the network id of some sort |
| 20:36.39 | ScaredyCat | the gps ? |
| 20:36.45 | quicksand | Guy on the streetcorner? |
| 20:36.46 | guaqua | and from that the operator's name |
| 20:36.59 | ScaredyCat | the gps will give you a pretty accurate location ;) |
| 20:37.08 | jgm | guaqua: that's what I was thinking but not sure if it exists |
| 20:37.24 | jgm | ScaredyCat: yeah yeah. But how do I translate that in to a country/region? |
| 20:37.34 | guaqua | ScaredyCat: the gps doesn't tell you if the carrier you are using is the cheapest for your roaming plan |
| 20:37.47 | ScaredyCat | no, nothing does guaqua |
| 20:37.52 | guaqua | :D |
| 20:37.59 | ScaredyCat | jgm: with a db... |
| 20:38.02 | guaqua | roaming charges are a gamble, anyway |
| 20:38.15 | jgm | <sigh> |
| 20:38.19 | ScaredyCat | I originally wrote a map switcher for the TomTomGo.. |
| 20:38.36 | ScaredyCat | as you approached the border it switched the map |
| 20:38.50 | ScaredyCat | to the detailed one of the country you were approaching.. |
| 20:38.54 | jgm | Okay I'll rephrase. Given information from either GPS or from gsmd, is there anything pre-written that can translate that in to country and/or region information? |
| 20:39.05 | ScaredyCat | possibly |
| 20:39.18 | guaqua | jgm: geoclue does that sort of stuff |
| 20:39.53 | ScaredyCat | yes... geoclue might be a good move |
| 20:40.00 | jgm | Okay thanks I'll take a look at geoclue |
| 20:40.17 | ScaredyCat | or a search on google for a list of mobile operator id;s |
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| 20:40.38 | guaqua | i have all sorts of ideas for geoclue, but getting a device first is really needed to actually test it out |
| 20:41.09 | ScaredyCat | jgm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Network_Code |
| 20:41.50 | ScaredyCat | that looks like what you want |
| 20:42.33 | ScaredyCat | mcc + mnc == unique id |
| 20:43.24 | guaqua | mcc tells the country, i guess |
| 20:43.34 | jgm | Yeah looks possible |
| 20:43.40 | ScaredyCat | yes. |
| 20:44.12 | ScaredyCat | and you an get at that with AT+COPS=? |
| 20:44.25 | guaqua | that's one extra backend for geoclue :) |
| 20:44.25 | jgm | I have a (big) list of country and region codes and want to use it as part of the low cost calling extension. So you can say "if I am in location X and want to dial country/region Y what is the best calling method to use?" |
| 20:45.02 | guaqua | sounds good |
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| 20:47.43 | ScaredyCat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_country_code lists just the mcc |
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| 20:51.46 | mentax | I make install MC in neo? |
| 20:51.58 | jku | hey guaqua, I was actually just now looking at the openmoko package lists to check if geoclue could run without modifications... |
| 20:52.50 | jku | looks ok to me |
| 20:53.46 | dcordes | stefan_schmidt: i removed matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod and depends and reinstalled it but still don't get the im in text insert situations |
| 20:54.58 | guaqua | jku: haven't put it to work myself, but there are people who have worked on it |
| 20:55.21 | jku | know who? |
| 20:55.31 | guaqua | can't recall names anymore |
| 20:56.10 | guaqua | there used to be a channel too, #geoclue @ freenode |
| 20:57.17 | jku | there's a #geoclue on gimpnet at least... |
| 20:57.27 | torpor | nope, still got the do_rootfs problem: |
| 20:57.28 | torpor | | makedevs: /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/rootfs/dev/initctl: file can not be created! |
| 20:57.50 | jku | openmoko is pretty interesting as a geoclue platform, even more so than maemo |
| 20:58.09 | jku | on the other hand resources are even more scarce... |
| 20:59.24 | Writchie | torpor: look at your openembedded/classes/image.bbclass |
| 20:59.31 | torpor | Writchie: doing that now. |
| 21:00.02 | torpor | doesn't look like anything changed Writchie |
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| 21:00.17 | torpor | except the hardcoded mkdir /dev is taken out now .. so even /dev doesn't get created |
| 21:00.23 | torpor | and makedevs is not making the full path. |
| 21:00.30 | Writchie | beautiful |
| 21:01.12 | torpor | really, i'd like to just make makedevs.c make the full path .. its only sensible. |
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| 21:01.12 | torpor | but alas .. i can't seem to work out if this is going to break the design of the root builderscripts .. |
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| 21:01.21 | Writchie | as sensible as device not in dev |
| 21:02.01 | torpor | if makedevs is going to get a list of files from some.txt file, then it should be clever about handling the paths .. like "mkdir -p some/file/path" would do .. |
| 21:02.18 | torpor | i suppose i will make a patch and fix it and see if i can submit my first patch to openembedded in years .. ;) |
| 21:02.41 | Writchie | the big question is why does it work for some people |
| 21:03.00 | Writchie | are they picking up some other makedevs in their system?? |
| 21:03.02 | torpor | because they are not using device.txt files that include paths that havne't been created yet? |
| 21:03.32 | Writchie | but the reciple blows away everything first |
| 21:04.07 | torpor | yup |
| 21:04.27 | Writchie | so this couldn't have worked |
| 21:04.31 | Writchie | ever |
| 21:04.40 | torpor | yes thats right |
| 21:05.05 | torpor | but i see now that add_new_directory has been added .. so the .txt files need to have "d /dev" and "d /bin" cmds added to them. |
| 21:05.25 | Writchie | that would be sensible |
| 21:05.44 | Writchie | but wasting days on something that supposed to work is not my idea of fun |
| 21:05.51 | Writchie | i don't mind debugging |
| 21:06.24 | torpor | well i've just added these entries to device-table_minimal.txt .. lets see if that unsticks the build .. |
| 21:07.16 | Writchie | i don't even want to think about why i magically must have libXext working on my platoform to build |
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| 21:12.57 | ferric | fray: what's the point? you could ssh in? |
| 21:13.44 | fray | I'm working on kernel stuff.. I don't want to use the openmoko userspace (yet) |
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| 21:16.01 | alphaone | fray: That's when the debug board comes in handy |
| 21:16.18 | fray | I have the debug board.. but frankly other then the reset button I havn't figured it out yet |
| 21:16.29 | fray | (I've had the device a whole day so far..) |
| 21:17.03 | fray | Is it possible to do serial over USB w/ the debug board? (I hope I'm not going to need the JTAG interface) ;) |
| 21:17.28 | alphaone | fray: Ah. The debug board connects to Neo JTAG and serial port |
| 21:17.55 | alphaone | fray: No need for JTAG if you only want serial console |
| 21:17.56 | fray | when I plugged the USB into my PC (from the debug board) I didn't see any serial ports show up.. so maybe I'm missing something |
| 21:18.18 | fray | I ordered the debug board so I could unbrick this thing.. and hoped serial was there as well.. ;) |
| 21:18.41 | alphaone | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debug_Board |
| 21:19.16 | fray | yes.. read this a bunch of times.. |
| 21:19.18 | alphaone | fray: Try modprobe ftdi_sio vendor=0x1457 product=0x5118 |
| 21:19.33 | fray | I already checked that the ID is correct on my board.. |
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| 21:19.45 | fray | ahh see I didn't try that.. let me pull the device out of the box... |
| 21:20.06 | alphaone | :-) |
| 21:20.22 | mentax | people we have file manager on openmoko? |
| 21:20.32 | torpor | in openembedded, yes. |
| 21:20.34 | torpor | in openmoko, no |
| 21:20.38 | torpor | but that will probably change. |
| 21:21.00 | hhf423 | mentax: graphic file manager? no, not at the moment |
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| 21:21.37 | mentax | I wont install midnith commander |
| 21:21.49 | mentax | it's work? |
| 21:21.49 | zecke | bye |
| 21:22.07 | fray | ahh perfect... now I have ttyUSB0 and USB1.. |
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| 21:22.24 | hhf423 | bye zecke |
| 21:22.59 | hhf423 | mentax: if you find a version compiled for neo, it will work. but not one complied for i386 :-) |
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| 21:24.08 | mentax | hhf423 if i download mc for i386 and compile on neo hi may work? |
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| 21:24.33 | hhf423 | mentax: you need to get the source and compile, yes, that should work I think |
| 21:25.05 | mentax | hhf423 i wont trau it |
| 21:26.50 | quicksand | mentax: There is an OE package called gpe-filemanager that works pretty well. I have it on my Neo right now. |
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| 21:27.37 | hhf423 | quicksand: how did you install that? |
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| 21:28.02 | fray | alphaone I'm still not getting a console on either ttyUSB0 or ttyUSB1. Should I by default or do I need a custom boot args? |
| 21:28.46 | quicksand | See the section I added to the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Updating_your_image |
| 21:29.25 | quicksand | In short, build it, update your ipkg settings on the Neo to pull packages from your local machine, then ipkg update && ipkg install gpe-filemanager. |
| 21:30.12 | nerv | somehow eds-dbus_svn.bb is missing when i build the image |
| 21:30.23 | quicksand | s/build it/build it ("bitbake gpe-filemanager")/ |
| 21:31.01 | quicksand | Er, that's not a very good summary. Just read the wiki page. :) |
| 21:31.17 | hhf423 | quicksand: I have no build environment, so there is no way to just grab the binary from somewhere? |
| 21:32.26 | quicksand | hhf423: Oh, hmm, not sure about that. The wiki instructions presume you have a functioning build environment and have already built an image successfully. |
| 21:32.51 | fray | ahh success.. |
| 21:32.55 | fray | thanx for the help! |
| 21:33.03 | hhf423 | quicksand: not me, my pc is wayy too slow for that |
| 21:34.21 | hhf423 | whoo, sony has a new cybershot |
| 21:34.53 | alphaone | fray: You should. Please check the u-boot environment for your boot params |
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| 21:35.58 | quicksand | hhf423: (and others): there are quite a few GPE applications that will work in OpenMoko: http://gpe.handhelds.org/projects/ |
| 21:36.21 | fray | alphaone it's working now.. I didn't have the ribbon cable plugged in properly.. (d'oh) |
| 21:36.38 | quicksand | I'm running gpe-edit, gpe-filemanager, gpe-sketchbook, and starling right now. But they do need to be built currently. |
| 21:36.55 | quicksand | I imagine they will be in an OpenMoko repository fairly soon tho. |
| 21:37.24 | hhf423 | quicksand: lets hope that, would be great |
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| 21:38.49 | alphaone | fray: Ah, yeah. |
| 21:38.51 | ajmitch | I imagine that repositories for new apps will start to appear soon as well |
| 21:38.58 | alphaone | That's always a problem ;-( |
| 21:41.27 | ferric | wouldn't it be nice if the environment was stable and didn't crash like crazy before new apps started getting writtten? :) |
| 21:41.59 | hhf423 | ferric: where would be the fun in that? |
| 21:42.31 | quicksand | Plus, it's not like I wrote them. They have been around a while! |
| 21:43.00 | ajmitch | ferric: different people will do different things :) |
| 21:43.05 | fray | two questions about the existing config.. are the binaries OABI or EABI.. and are things prelinked? |
| 21:44.02 | fray | from looking at the filesystem I have, it doesn't appear to contain prelink info.. but I can't remember how to tell if it's eabi or not.. ;) |
| 21:44.17 | mentax | quicksand: you running gpe-filemanager using console? |
| 21:44.26 | quicksand | The old OM2007 software was OABI, and 2007.2 is EABI. (Is that right, or do I have it backwards?) |
| 21:44.44 | fray | EABI is "newer" so.. I'd assume 2007.2 would be EABI then.. |
| 21:44.46 | fray | thankx |
| 21:44.58 | fray | (I have a 2007..2 snapshot loaded) |
| 21:46.05 | quicksand | mentax: If you build and install gpe-filemanager according to the instructions in the wiki that I linked, then it will show up in the main menu of programs. |
| 21:50.05 | mentax | quicksand: in wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko2007.2? |
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| 21:51.50 | quicksand | Yes, the last section on updating your image. It assumes that you have already been able to complete building a whole rootfs image. If you have not, then I do not think it will work. |
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| 21:54.19 | mentax | quicksand: now i updating packages :-) |
| 21:54.39 | maxauthority | "our quantities up to and including August 2007 are already oversold" -> just being curious, how many phones were sold then? |
| 21:57.02 | quicksand | maxauthority: I'm not sure you'll find anyone here who is privy to that info. A lot of us are curious! |
| 21:57.55 | maxauthority | anyway, nice to see, that it generates good acceptance |
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| 22:00.36 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Hardware]] [[Wishlist_-_Hardware_-_Novel_Devices]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[User:Mikesh]] |
| 22:01.07 | hozer | hrrm.. so how do I update my rootfs now that I have started customizing things (like root pw, etc) |
| 22:01.20 | ScaredyCat | hhf423: in abot 10 mins you should be able to pick up tht gpe-filemanager from my site... |
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| 22:01.46 | hozer | and is there some ipkg reposity of bleeding edge stuff? |
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| 22:03.09 | hozer | hehe |
| 22:07.28 | ckuethe | you're insane! |
| 22:07.35 | ckuethe | (says an afs admin) |
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| 22:08.32 | ckuethe | that would be fun to see |
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| 22:09.18 | hozer | heheh |
| 22:09.25 | hozer | ckuethe: what cell? |
| 22:09.31 | ckuethe | ualberta.ca |
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| 22:13.54 | hozer | has anyone been so insane as to build vlc or mplay and try to play videos yet? |
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| 22:15.23 | ScaredyCat | video is not so good |
| 22:15.49 | defer | maybe when acceleration lands |
| 22:15.57 | ScaredyCat | bearing in mind it's a 640x480 |
| 22:16.06 | ScaredyCat | yes acc will help :) |
| 22:17.12 | quicksand | hozer: regarding updating -- see the wiki @ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Updating_your_image |
| 22:17.50 | quicksand | I just added that section earlier today. It will (should?) update without trampling your settings. |
| 22:18.15 | torpor | whats this .. no kernel in my openmoko image dir, even though i finished 'make all' .. where does the kernel file go? |
| 22:18.51 | quicksand | torpor: No uImage or zImage? |
| 22:18.58 | torpor | nope |
| 22:19.16 | quicksand | On my builds they're in the same directory as the rootfs image. Weird. |
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| 22:19.49 | Writchie | anybody know how to change uboot from runtime mode to DFU mode without blindly loading something? |
| 22:21.18 | torpor | should happen when you boot into the uboot menu, then unplug usb and plug it back in again .. |
| 22:21.39 | torpor | the usb re-enumeration in uboot mode is what switches to DFU .. |
| 22:22.40 | quicksand | Writchie: no idea. But a quick Google search ("dfu protocol") led me to this: http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-3661744_ITM |
| 22:22.50 | Writchie | torpor: it stays in runtime mode even when i do this. on both of my devices |
| 22:22.52 | torpor | nope, no kernel is built on 'make all' .. damn it .. this devkit is so vry frustratiD[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dng. .. |
| 22:23.20 | quicksand | Which has nothing to do with firmware upgrade protocols, but the Google ads seem to think so nonetheless. Heh heh. |
| 22:23.38 | torpor | if i wasn't sure, i'd say that the monomakefile is intentionally hobbled to make it harder for newer/greener developers to come onboard and start pushing features .. |
| 22:24.09 | Writchie | i'm about to abandon it and start from scratch |
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| 22:24.34 | Writchie | basically, it just doesn't work. |
| 22:24.51 | torpor | right |
| 22:24.57 | quicksand | Writchie: From scratch is pretty easy, actually. I decided to go that way because I always have to do things the hard way. |
| 22:25.03 | torpor | and i've spent a week trying to get it to work, and wasted my time |
| 22:25.07 | hozer | what, mokomakefile? |
| 22:25.10 | torpor | i've started from scratch. |
| 22:25.11 | Writchie | seems like its the easyway in this case |
| 22:25.14 | torpor | hozer: yup |
| 22:25.27 | quicksand | (I think mokomakefile is awesome, but I want to see what's going on under the hood.) |
| 22:25.56 | torpor | i think its awesome too, but frankly i don't trust that its not being intentionally screwed up by the older developers to keep us newer guys in order .. |
| 22:26.17 | quicksand | The directions in the wiki on the 2007.2 page (which refer you, in part, to the OE getting started page) are excellent. |
| 22:26.18 | Writchie | anybody know if the 20070819 snapshop actually works |
| 22:26.43 | torpor | well i finally have qemu running, w00t! but its not running my own images... |
| 22:26.51 | torpor | seems that make all doesn't build the kernel image for some reason. |
| 22:26.54 | Writchie | which directrions - the one's that say ignore everything that follows or - everything that follows? |
| 22:27.50 | torpor | its one of the reasons i hate wiki's, such questions as that. |
| 22:27.59 | torpor | you can never be sure that a wiki is as good as it says it is.. |
| 22:28.07 | quicksand | Writchie: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#How_to_build |
| 22:28.18 | torpor | quicksand: i did that, and i can't flash my own image. |
| 22:28.19 | quicksand | Do "everything that follows" -- don't ignore. :) |
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| 22:29.12 | quicksand | Really, just follow the OpenEmbedded "getting started" page linked, but with the local.conf file as suggested by the OpenMoko wiki. |
| 22:29.42 | quicksand | And when it is set up "bitbake openmoko-devel-image" will start the build. |
| 22:29.43 | torpor | i didn't do anything to my local.conf file, but i finished a full build yesterday |
| 22:30.26 | torpor | well it now seems it wasn't a full build: no kernel |
| 22:31.33 | quicksand | If there's no kernel, I don't have much confidence that the rootfs image is correct either. |
| 22:31.52 | quicksand | Maybe someone more knowledgeable than I will turn up. |
| 22:31.59 | rwhitby | 2007.2 just built for me on 32-bit debian etch |
| 22:32.09 | quicksand | Wow, like magic! |
| 22:32.24 | ewon | heh, afs |
| 22:32.30 | ewon | what, do you work for IBM or something |
| 22:32.59 | hozer | no, I've just been hoping for a distributed filesystem that supports disconnected operation |
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| 22:33.38 | hozer | and after playing with Coda, then intermezzo, then watching cachefs for awhile, I'm back to AFS |
| 22:34.04 | anrp | nfs! |
| 22:34.10 | anrp | ... is almost always the wrong answer |
| 22:34.30 | hozer | so... I suspect I can't just do 'make' in the tmp/work/fic-*/linux-gta*/linux-2.6.15.5 |
| 22:34.34 | quicksand | hozer: On a handheld? Next you'll want a text-based terminal, and ssh, and network daemons! Oh, wait . . . |
| 22:35.21 | hozer | oh my |
| 22:35.32 | hozer | what do you need mysql for that sqlite can't do |
| 22:35.48 | ajmitch | for the fun of it |
| 22:36.04 | ajmitch | though I see that sqlite is available |
| 22:36.38 | mentax | how i may setup call music? |
| 22:36.56 | quicksand | For a production website backend and CMS, of course! Over GPRS! |
| 22:37.24 | ajmitch | quicksand: exactly! |
| 22:37.49 | ajmitch | imagine how many of these devices you could fit in a rack! |
| 22:37.52 | torpor | absolutely *zero* reason why you shouldn't do such a thing as put mysql on it. |
| 22:38.07 | torpor | after all, for a long long time, your typical mysql server wasn't much more than whats in the neo |
| 22:38.33 | hozer | so.. what the heck is the commandline that gets executed to build the kernel |
| 22:38.39 | ajmitch | it generally would have had more space available |
| 22:39.45 | quicksand | Yet. |
| 22:39.55 | jseghers | hozer: I believe make build-package-linux |
| 22:39.57 | torpor | ajmitch: i ran plenty of mysql machines with only 1 gig hard drives, back in the day. |
| 22:39.59 | anrp | movies and music |
| 22:40.21 | ajmitch | torpor: this has 64MB of flash, without the microSD card working it's a bit limited |
| 22:40.27 | torpor | jseghers: but the question is why isn't this part of 'make all'. |
| 22:40.32 | hozer | jseghers: I need to figure out how to set the right env variables and call the kernel makefiles to build a kernel module |
| 22:40.34 | mentax | quicksand: you have another music player? |
| 22:40.38 | torpor | ajmitch: but it does work. |
| 22:40.39 | ajmitch | more importantly, the GTA01 should have enough power to play doom |
| 22:40.51 | ajmitch | torpor: maybe it works for you |
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| 22:41.24 | torpor | can someone please confirm: "make openmoko-devel-image" does *not* build the kernel .. this has to be done separately? |
| 22:41.31 | torpor | coz if so, its gotta be put on the wiki somewhere. |
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| 22:41.52 | quicksand | mentax: starling is the GPE music player: http://gpe.linuxtogo.org/projects/starling.shtml |
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| 22:42.07 | quicksand | And it works on openmoko if you build it. |
| 22:42.23 | quicksand | But there's an openmoko media player in progess as well. |
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| 22:43.49 | don-o | now that the P1 has been out for a month or so, how is the making and placing calls? is that any more reliable? |
| 22:43.50 | hozer | jseghers: there's no package-linux target in mokomakefile |
| 22:44.34 | torpor | build-package-linux |
| 22:44.46 | jseghers | build-package-linux |
| 22:45.12 | jseghers | Basically any package can be built with "build-package-"<package> |
| 22:45.25 | jseghers | look for build-package-% in the makefile |
| 22:45.25 | mentax | quicksander: you may get me man how build that package? |
| 22:45.37 | hozer | ah |
| 22:45.57 | torpor | damnit, is this just a big fallacy or what? |
| 22:46.04 | anrp | D:? |
| 22:46.08 | torpor | cp: cannot stat `/home/j/hak/openmoko/openembedded/packages/linux/linux-2.6.21/defconfig': No such file or directory |
| 22:46.28 | jseghers | torpor: do the following (I was getting that earlier) |
| 22:46.35 | quicksand | torpor: I'm not a mokomakefile user, but try: make build-package-linux-fic-gta01 |
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| 22:46.53 | torpor | ok |
| 22:46.53 | jseghers | torpor: you need to update the OE metadata |
| 22:47.07 | jseghers | torpor are you using mokomakefile? |
| 22:47.08 | torpor | with a 'make update' right? problem is i've done that about 20 times today.. |
| 22:47.11 | torpor | yes |
| 22:47.16 | torpor | set up for 2007.2 |
| 22:47.19 | jseghers | make update-makefile, first |
| 22:47.26 | torpor | done that too |
| 22:47.29 | torpor | tons of times |
| 22:47.30 | jseghers | then make clobber-patches |
| 22:47.35 | jseghers | then make update |
| 22:47.39 | quicksand | torpor: also, if for some reason you have BBMASK="uboot" in your local.conf, take that out. |
| 22:47.52 | torpor | oh shit, is this gonna take another 3 days to finish after i clobber-patches? |
| 22:48.01 | jseghers | then make setup |
| 22:48.02 | quicksand | (It shouldn't be there if you didn't put it there, though.) |
| 22:48.26 | jseghers | then make clean-package-linux |
| 22:48.34 | jseghers | then make openmoko-devel-image |
| 22:49.00 | torpor | jseghers: so its: make update-makefile clobber-patches update setup clean-package-linux openmoko-devel-image? |
| 22:49.28 | quicksand | Heh. |
| 22:49.31 | nulucas | torpor, just started with this today, but i believe the kernel package is named "linux-gta01", so you should do a "make rebuild-package-linux-gta01" |
| 22:49.44 | torpor | ERROR: No providers of build target linux-fic-gta01 (for []) |
| 22:49.44 | torpor | make: *** [build-package-linux-fic-gta01] Error 1 |
| 22:50.04 | quicksand | nulucas: that's right -- not linux-fic-gta01 as I suggested. My bad. |
| 22:50.23 | torpor | okay, trying that. |
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| 22:50.48 | torpor | very frustrating - shouldn't this be part of the 'make all' that we want to do to be able to build complete finished images from our own local sources? |
| 22:51.52 | nulucas | torpor, "make openmoko-devel-image" works for me. don't know where you have seen that "make all" |
| 22:52.11 | torpor | nulucas: does not work for me - well, it does work, but no kernel is built. |
| 22:52.24 | rwhitby | torpor: sure you're not BBMASKing anything? |
| 22:52.30 | quicksand | Mentax: wiki, wiki, wiki! Everything you need to know about building images, packages, etc. is on the 2007.2 page and the mokomakefile page. |
| 22:52.31 | rwhitby | (e.g. uboot?) |
| 22:52.35 | quicksand | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 |
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| 22:52.49 | torpor | rwhitby: definitely not |
| 22:52.58 | quicksand | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
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| 22:53.10 | rwhitby | Have you run bitbake with -DDD to see what's going wrong? |
| 22:53.19 | torpor | nope |
| 22:53.30 | torpor | i'm just trying to do 'the normal' rwhitby. |
| 22:53.52 | torpor | as far as i can see, in openmoko-devel-image there is no stage for building the kernel .. |
| 22:55.20 | quicksand | torpor: if you really want to see where that happens, you're going to need to dig into bitbake files. |
| 22:55.26 | torpor | yeah |
| 22:55.30 | quicksand | I don't think you'll see it in the makefile. |
| 22:55.51 | torpor | but i just do not get why it is that this hasn't been discovered before .. i'm not on an unusual machine (ubuntu) and i'm just following the wiki pretty rotely. |
| 22:56.16 | quicksand | For example, browse thru oe/org.openembedded.dev/packages/tasks/*.bb |
| 22:56.20 | torpor | anyway, it looks like the kernel is being built now with that last build-linux-gta01 |
| 22:56.44 | torpor | i think the wiki should e updated to include this step, if indeed this is how the kernel is to be built .. |
| 22:57.02 | quicksand | Especially task-base.bb and openmoko-base.bb (or something like that name). |
| 22:57.22 | torpor | i know a few linux hackers who have gotten neo's for the purpose of doing exactly this level of system build, and they're going to be quite pissed off that the makefile doens't in fact 'do everything as advertised', rightly or wrongly. |
| 22:57.46 | torpor | but okay, the kernel is being built and i have a way of building it now. |
| 22:57.54 | torpor | so i'll just finish that, and then test it all in the morning. |
| 22:58.15 | quicksand | Ordinarily, the kernel should be built by openmoko-devel-image. It always has been for me. It's possible your build went off the rails somehow. Hopefully it will work better going forward. |
| 22:58.15 | torpor | the most part of my participation in this project is going to be revolving around my ability to build a kernel, modules, and libs .. |
| 22:58.26 | torpor | i'm planning on adding MidiShare.bb to the mix, somewhere along the line .. |
| 22:58.48 | nulucas | torpor, all i can say is that the work directory for the build is "build/tmp/work/fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-gta01-2.6.21.5-r3", but as I use "rm_work" I don't have the temp files now |
| 22:58.49 | hozer | torpor: what are you working on? |
| 22:58.51 | ajmitch | though the last successful build I had was pre-2007.2 :) |
| 22:59.29 | nulucas | the .config is there |
| 22:59.31 | torpor | maybe i should have done a bitbake -mrproper linux-gta01, and then done a make openmoko-devel-image .. its possible that the image build was attempted, but crapped out when i ran out of disk space or something.. |
| 23:00.09 | hozer | can I safely remove build-OM-2007.1 ? |
| 23:00.11 | ajmitch | quite possible, I'm doing a rebuild after a make clobber now, so I won't have any results for awhile |
| 23:00.16 | torpor | hozer: i've been doing Midi-related apps for embedded linux-ARM for the last 5 years .. i wanna port some of these apps to the neo1973 this month .. i also have a few simple games i want to port (from GP2X) as well .. |
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| 23:00.38 | quicksand | I'd love to see MIDI capabilities in OpenMoko. I used to do some step-sequencing on my old Palm V with a general-midi module attached, just for fun. |
| 23:00.55 | quicksand | The Neo's possibilities are much, much greater. |
| 23:01.03 | torpor | yeah, i've got a fullblown midi sequencer (step and piano roll) as well as a few other things like a patch editor/librarian for midi synths, etc. |
| 23:01.08 | torpor | ~[5~ |
| 23:01.30 | torpor | i was working for a synth mfr for a few years, trying to get them to put linux into a working synth product |
| 23:01.39 | ajmitch | all software? |
| 23:01.47 | quicksand | Sweet. Do me a favor and post something on the mailing lists when you have something. I'll beta for you. Maybe even alpha. :) |
| 23:01.52 | torpor | but they decided to stay with the proprietary firmware direction instead, because they didn't believe linux was really going to work in smaller devices. |
| 23:01.59 | torpor | ajmitch: nope, hardware+software. |
| 23:02.14 | ajmitch | what midi capabilities does the neo's sound chip have? |
| 23:02.28 | torpor | quicksand: you'll hear about it here first. soon as i have ipk's up for people to plug into the neo's, and a working image that will actually let them install ipks', i'll be posting about it in here first .. |
| 23:03.03 | quicksand | Awesome. |
| 23:03.04 | torpor | ajmitch: MIDI is often very poorly understood. MIDI isn't actually a sound-generating spec or language - it is a control spec. Too often mfr's have used MIDI for control, pairing it with some other synth engine for the actual sound generation. |
| 23:03.25 | ajmitch | right |
| 23:03.26 | torpor | what i've done is focused on MIDI as a control protocol - MidiShare (for which I did an ARM port) - provides a very solid MIDI API for further control apps development. |
| 23:03.35 | torpor | MIDI is really more like a serial networking protocol .. |
| 23:04.06 | quicksand | AFAIK the sound chip in the Neo isn't good for much more than PCM output. But I imagine a softsynth would be doable. |
| 23:04.22 | torpor | a softsynth is highly doable. |
| 23:04.29 | torpor | also a basic sampler is highly doable too. |
| 23:04.35 | quicksand | Yep. |
| 23:04.39 | torpor | so you can use MIDI to trigger samples - like a drum kit for example - and such things .. |
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| 23:05.13 | torpor | anyway this is the reason for me wanting to have a compete build and kit and tools, so that i can really integrate midishare properly. its a lib+module sort of package + apps .. so there is all sides to be covered. |
| 23:05.24 | hozer | hrrm... what is '-fpreprocessed /afs/hozed.org/user/hozer/.ccache' doing? |
| 23:06.03 | hozer | I wonder if I should create a separate user for builds |
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| 23:06.55 | quicksand | hozer: not really necessary. Just don't have any symlinks in your path leading to the top of your build path. |
| 23:07.10 | quicksand | I'm building within a subdirectory of my (usual user) home dir. |
| 23:07.31 | torpor | thats what i'm doing too .. /home/me/hak/openmoko & /home/me/hak/open2x &etc. |
| 23:07.33 | torpor | works okay |
| 23:07.35 | hozer | well... my homdir is in afs |
| 23:07.40 | torpor | just make sure you don't mix up your ENV vars .. |
| 23:10.03 | hozer | and I don't want to have it hitting afs for compiling every file |
| 23:11.26 | jseghers | hozer: make a directory to be your OM dir on your local drive. |
| 23:11.48 | hozer | I did.. but there's some stuff hitting my homedir too |
| 23:11.49 | jseghers | is /home on afs? or your home dir? |
| 23:11.59 | hozer | $HOME is in /afs |
| 23:12.18 | jseghers | OK... but /home isn't? |
| 23:12.29 | hozer | ah, yes |
| 23:12.33 | jseghers | make /home/moko as your build dir? |
| 23:13.05 | hozer | well, I'm building out of /vicepb/moko |
| 23:13.17 | jseghers | OK... that works too |
| 23:13.29 | jseghers | You shouldn't have any links to your home directory |
| 23:13.44 | hozer | but there's 600M of stuff in $HOME/.ccache |
| 23:14.51 | ajmitch | that's not unusual if you've got your system setup to use ccache |
| 23:16.07 | jseghers | yep, didn't realize that myself. |
| 23:16.21 | jseghers | You can probably direct ccache to us a different directory. |
| 23:16.45 | quicksand | Yes, the CCACHE_DIR env variable. |
| 23:17.06 | ajmitch | either that or it's picking up the presence of ccache from the PATH when you start |
| 23:17.21 | ajmitch | since I'm building as a new user in /home/moko, and it's using ccache |
| 23:18.11 | jseghers | So set CCASHE_DIR to $OMDIR/.ccache and it should keep it in your local build directory |
| 23:23.27 | hozer | yeah.. so what file do I set that env variable? |
| 23:23.48 | hozer | duh.. setup-env |
| 23:23.55 | quicksand | Your user's .bashrc would be a good place |
| 23:24.27 | jseghers | hozer: yeh, setup-env is a good place. |
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| 23:28.37 | BlackBsd | wow 300 ppl in here.. |
| 23:28.39 | BlackBsd | its gotten big fast |
| 23:29.05 | SpeedEvil | been 300ish for a while. |
| 23:29.08 | hozer | oh yeah.. porting Aleph One to openmoko would be a nice trick to coincide with the Halo 3 launch.. |
| 23:29.18 | hozer | source.bungie.org |
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| 23:30.24 | linux_galore | G'Day everyone |
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| 23:31.39 | linux_galore | it (user numbers in OM irc channel) will get worse as new models are released |
| 23:32.00 | linux_galore | give it two years and I bet it hits 1,000 |
| 23:32.04 | hozer | so.. um, how do we keep the S/N ratio up as more users come in ;) |
| 23:32.27 | Aria | Split early and focus well. |
| 23:32.34 | Aria | -dev, -apps, -newbies |
| 23:32.36 | linux_galore | what will have to happen is OM will have to split the channels up |
| 23:32.54 | Aria | And work hard on maintaining the quality of the community, so people find help where they belong, and go where they can find it. |
| 23:33.01 | hozer | yeah |
| 23:33.02 | ajmitch | currently it should mostly be for developers |
| 23:33.12 | linux_galore | Ubuntu has a pile of channels even one for testing unstable software |
| 23:33.42 | linux_galore | ie ubuntu+1 |
| 23:35.00 | hozer | where does bitbake spit out/save build log files |
| 23:35.06 | hozer | I'd like to at least watch stuff build |
| 23:35.19 | linux_galore | openmoko-help openmoko-dev openmoko+1 |
| 23:36.18 | ajmitch | 'ubuntu+1' sort of makes sense because the next release is referred to as something like 'gutsy+1' |
| 23:36.36 | juri_ | openmoko-waiting_for_shipping openmoko-nevergonnagetit... |
| 23:36.51 | hozer | HAH |
| 23:36.52 | linux_galore | I dare say there will be people testing unstable releases of OM stuff \ |
| 23:36.57 | juri_ | openmoko-playing_with_iphone.. |
| 23:37.00 | ajmitch | openmoko-gotmineonmydesk |
| 23:37.13 | hozer | openmoko-ircfromphone |
| 23:37.19 | linux_galore | heh |
| 23:37.26 | juri_ | openmoko-isitreadyyet? |
| 23:37.38 | hozer | err, maybe that should be openmoko-huge-gprs-bills |
| 23:37.45 | linux_galore | openmoko-global_domination |
| 23:38.11 | hozer | okay.. how do I get my treo contact list into the moko contacts app |
| 23:38.20 | hozer | it appears to be based on evolution, correct? |
| 23:38.25 | linux_galore | hozer: depends if your in openmoko-using-someoneesles-wifi |
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| 23:39.36 | linux_galore | I bet the first set of tools ported to the GTA02 are for sniffing open wifi nodes |
| 23:39.54 | ajmitch | kismet has a gtk+ ui, doesn't it? |
| 23:40.07 | hozer | I had some idea of a collaborative p2p wifi mapping software integrated with the neo gps |
| 23:40.37 | linux_galore | yeah, I can imagine people downloading a pile of stuff over wifi with p2p |
| 23:41.07 | hozer | I was thinking more some database you connect to over gprs to get a list of local wifi access points and ratings on how well they work |
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| 23:41.13 | linux_galore | sings "The openmoko is FOR PORN!" |
| 23:41.38 | hads | *yawn* |
| 23:41.43 | ajmitch | hey hads |
| 23:41.49 | hads | 'lo ajmitch |
| 23:41.55 | ajmitch | been hacking away? |
| 23:42.20 | BlackBsd | what if someone breaks make setup? |
| 23:42.21 | mjr | linux_galore, yeah well, what did you expect a VGA screen on a phone to be good for? |
| 23:42.28 | hads | ajmitch: Not too much actually, been trying to catch up on work from last week so I can :) |
| 23:42.36 | BlackBsd | how to recover. |
| 23:42.39 | BlackBsd | or refetch |
| 23:42.46 | hads | hozer: Yeah, mine fails :) |
| 23:42.54 | linux_galore | mjr: I was wondering why they needed a 200DPI screen heh |
| 23:43.12 | hozer | hads: are you doing the 2007.1 or 2007.2 build? |
| 23:43.26 | BryceLeo | ello all |
| 23:44.07 | hads | hozer: Oh, I meant my disk/controller/something fails the test - it doesn't like massive amounts of writes, puts some important stuff into D state :\ |
| 23:44.14 | BlackBsd | what should we be using? |
| 23:44.22 | BlackBsd | \2007.1 or .2? |
| 23:44.26 | hads | .2 |
| 23:44.40 | BlackBsd | i am using mokomakefile |
| 23:45.53 | hozer | heh |
| 23:48.38 | ajmitch | sigh, build failed again :) |
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| 23:52.34 | hozer | where do the bitbake logfiles go? |
| 23:52.48 | hozer | I want to see what make commands and output of the compile |
| 23:53.45 | quicksand | hozer: I don't recall offhand, but if a build fails, scroll back up the screen and it will tell you where the log is for the failed action. |
| 23:53.51 | quicksand | You can extrapolate from there. |
| 23:53.54 | hozer | heh.. $OMDIR/build/tmp/work/armv4*/package |
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| 23:54.22 | BlackBsd | hi im having problems running make setup. its trying to patch a file git.py |
| 23:54.26 | BlackBsd | and other files. |
| 23:55.21 | BlackBsd | does make setup have a log section? |
| 23:55.38 | rwhitby | BlackBsd: make clobber-patches first |
| 23:55.51 | BlackBsd | it claims its Applying patch patches/bitbake-1.6.6-om3.patch |
| 23:56.19 | rwhitby | yep, that one is listed on the main mokomakefile wiki page, and was also mentioned in my 2007.2 mokomakefile announcement email |
| 23:56.22 | BlackBsd | the only thing i see thats different from before is the fact that its 2007.2 |
| 23:56.36 | quicksand | I'm beginning to think successful builds only occur when the phase of the moon is correct and the setting sun casts a shadow through a keyhole onto a magical gem that deactivates rwhitby's works_for_me gremlin. |
| 23:56.40 | BryceLeo | how big is a build without rm work |
| 23:57.02 | hozer | heh |
| 23:57.04 | rwhitby | BryceLeo: 10GB or more |
| 23:57.17 | rwhitby | quicksand: no argument here |
| 23:57.22 | BryceLeo | rwhitby: anything more exact tahn that |
| 23:57.39 | BlackBsd | sorry, im not subscribed |
| 23:57.42 | BlackBsd | i should get subscribed |
| 23:57.43 | rwhitby | BryceLeo: nope, I use rm_work on all my builds |
| 23:58.03 | BryceLeo | anyone without rm_work wann do a du -sh and wait on their $OMDIR |
| 23:58.37 | hozer | where do you set rm_work? |
| 23:58.43 | quicksand | BryceLeo: I took a look at my build directory a few days ago and it was 14GB, but this was with several aborted builds worth of cruft. |
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