| 00:00.46 | hhf423 | does anyone know how I can restart the top menu bar of openmoko? it often crashes on me |
| 00:02.18 | sagacis | /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
| 00:04.11 | hhf423 | thanks |
| 00:10.02 | _alcik_ | ANYONE how to configure dns server addresses on NEO? just add /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 00:10.30 | hhf423 | _alcik_: yes, exactly |
| 00:11.17 | josch | I just observed by clicking aimlessly around, that on some clicks the UI gives a response and does something but without any system in it. the screen seems to be calibrated wrong or something |
| 00:13.26 | _alcik_ | hhf423: hmmm.... didnt work for me.... |
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| 00:13.54 | Planet | setting resolv.conf did work for me |
| 00:14.17 | hhf423 | _alcik_: let me check |
| 00:15.53 | josch | I now know what it does wrong!!! this was tricky! if I want to hit a button I have to imagine that the screen would be turned around 90° clockwise! |
| 00:16.02 | anrp | that's always fun, josch |
| 00:16.16 | sagacis | Where should http://nopaste.eof.name/195 be run from? I can't find tmp/downloads |
| 00:16.17 | josch | what's the solution? |
| 00:16.18 | anrp | same kind of thing happened to me when i was playing with QVGA mode |
| 00:16.22 | anrp | um |
| 00:16.33 | anrp | not sure ~_~, i'd look in the tscal files though |
| 00:16.55 | hhf423 | root@fic-gta01:~$ ping www.ccc.de |
| 00:16.57 | hhf423 | PING www.ccc.de (213.73.91.29): 56 data bytes |
| 00:16.59 | hhf423 | 64 bytes from 213.73.91.29: icmp_seq=0 ttl=48 time=42.9 ms |
| 00:17.01 | hhf423 | works for me |
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| 00:17.47 | anrp | that over BT? |
| 00:17.49 | anrp | or usb? |
| 00:17.53 | anrp | far too fast for gprs ~_~ |
| 00:18.07 | hhf423 | usb |
| 00:18.20 | anrp | gprs is .. 10x slower or so |
| 00:18.40 | SpeedEvil | IIRC my fastest ping over GPRS was 200ms |
| 00:18.50 | hhf423 | root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:18.51 | hhf423 | nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 00:18.58 | daMaestro | wow, and that is half decent, SpeedEvil |
| 00:19.10 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, might be able to irc :-D |
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| 00:19.23 | SpeedEvil | Indeed, I've IRCd over it. |
| 00:19.30 | SpeedEvil | Using chatzilla admittedly. |
| 00:19.36 | SpeedEvil | But it wasn't too bad. |
| 00:19.47 | anrp | chatziller! |
| 00:19.53 | _alcik_ | hhf423: thanks... hmmm... |
| 00:20.01 | SpeedEvil | It was the trivial way to run IRC on it. |
| 00:20.26 | anrp | indeed |
| 00:20.34 | josch | okay by guessing every button's position with the screen turned around 90° i managed to get into the console - funy thing: xrandr -o 1,2 work but 3 does not! |
| 00:20.37 | SpeedEvil | (socks proxy on sshd) |
| 00:21.03 | hhf423 | wow, now the RSS reader on the neo works |
| 00:21.04 | _alcik_ | hhf423: ok I got it... my laptop's firewall eat this... how silly Iam to not check it in first place ;-) |
| 00:21.16 | hhf423 | _alcik_: :-) |
| 00:21.19 | anrp | that's the only supported modes in the hw i believe |
| 00:21.21 | anrp | for hw rotation |
| 00:21.33 | anrp | you can go normal, or you can invert X and Y and get a 180 rotation |
| 00:21.38 | anrp | can't do 90 deg in hw |
| 00:21.50 | josch | even funier: by entering xrandr -o 0 again after xrandr -o 4 it will not turn back |
| 00:21.54 | josch | ^^ |
| 00:22.04 | anrp | 4 isn't a valid setting? ~_~ |
| 00:22.14 | josch | meant 3 |
| 00:22.29 | josch | you can do 0, 1, 2, 3 of course |
| 00:23.42 | hhf423 | the RSS reader on that screen is brillant |
| 00:25.51 | hhf423 | wayy cool |
| 00:27.49 | josch | observed two things: 1.: I can only do xrandr -o for a few times - further tries will do nothing 2.: if I turn the screen around 90° cw with xrandr -o 1 then, the bug with the touchscreen will follow |
| 00:28.40 | josch | maybe it's no bug but a feature :-D |
| 00:29.20 | anrp | i'd chalk it up to emulation-hw mismatch |
| 00:30.18 | Planet | hmm, if i leave my neo off with a full charge, the next day it wont even turn on, does it discharge when its not even on? anyone know |
| 00:30.19 | josch | yeah probably |
| 00:30.35 | anrp | course that doesn't really help you now dows it ~_~ |
| 00:30.54 | josch | I will try oneother qemu version |
| 00:31.03 | josch | another |
| 00:31.06 | anrp | Planet: define off |
| 00:31.10 | anrp | push button off? |
| 00:31.16 | Planet | pull battery for a bit |
| 00:31.17 | anrp | or hold-until-off |
| 00:31.18 | anrp | ? |
| 00:31.28 | Planet | since it always doesn't turn off the other methods |
| 00:32.05 | anrp | so you pull battery, put back |
| 00:32.10 | anrp | that's your definition? |
| 00:32.22 | Planet | i pull the battery to remove my sim card since its I am using my real sim card |
| 00:32.36 | Planet | well, i usually turn it off via the the button |
| 00:32.50 | Planet | but i end up pulling battery anyway...should that not be considered off |
| 00:33.02 | anrp | it should, i'm just trying to establish what you did ~_~ |
| 00:33.55 | hhf423 | I sometimes think that the phone is not really off until you have pulled the battery |
| 00:33.56 | Planet | removed battery long enough to switch sim card back into my regular phone, should that not be considered off |
| 00:34.15 | hhf423 | boy, look photos brillant on that screen |
| 00:39.46 | josch | PREFERRED_VERSION_qemu-native = "0.9.0+cvs20070701" SRCDATE_qemu-native = 20070701 <= are this the right commands to change my qemu version? |
| 00:40.04 | josch | in local.conf |
| 00:43.12 | hhf423 | hahaha, this kinetic scrolling is cool |
| 00:44.01 | josch | grrr... wish I could even use my mouse... |
| 00:45.01 | anrp | ;/ sorry i can't help |
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| 00:45.26 | josch | np - just trying out if another qemu version helps |
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| 00:45.37 | josch | will inform you guys of the result |
| 00:45.59 | josch | doesn't anybody else use qemu? |
| 00:46.08 | josch | does everybody have a real neo? |
| 00:46.16 | anrp | very few people do |
| 00:46.20 | anrp | well relatively |
| 00:46.34 | josch | lucky bastards... |
| 00:46.45 | hhf423 | I think sort of most have a real neo by now :-) |
| 00:46.55 | josch | NOTE: package qemu-native-0.9.0+cvs20070701-r1: task do_compile: started |
| 00:49.09 | hhf423 | _alcik_: which web browser are you using? |
| 00:50.10 | _alcik_ | the one which is called 'web' :-) |
| 00:50.21 | anrp | this web, or that web? |
| 00:50.56 | anrp | think carefully! |
| 00:51.05 | hhf423 | is that 2007.1? |
| 00:51.14 | _alcik_ | hhf: yes |
| 00:51.17 | hhf423 | because I can not see a web browser in 2007.2 |
| 00:52.23 | _alcik_ | by all.... |
| 00:52.29 | hhf423 | bye |
| 00:52.31 | josch | cya |
| 00:52.32 | hhf423 | good night |
| 00:52.52 | hhf423 | hmmm, cookies |
| 00:53.31 | josch | I'm eating chocolate croissants - much better than cookies! ^^ |
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| 00:53.50 | hhf423 | :-) |
| 00:53.58 | hhf423 | depends on the cookies I would say! |
| 00:54.19 | josch | I'd say it depends on the croissants :-) |
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| 00:54.28 | hhf423 | hahaha |
| 00:54.42 | josch | just a midnight snack |
| 00:55.09 | josch | in fakt it's way past midnight so I should be in bed right now but openmoko is still compiling |
| 00:55.24 | josch | I just cannot leve it alone in the dark |
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| 00:55.57 | hhf423 | know the feeling |
| 00:56.22 | hhf423 | compiling 2007.1 or 2? |
| 00:56.30 | josch | 2007.2 |
| 00:56.44 | hhf423 | how long does it take anyway? |
| 00:57.12 | josch | I just changed my qemu version but it seems to rebuild around 300 packages... :-/ |
| 00:58.30 | josch | maybe half an hour or so? my first build took me over 6 hours |
| 00:58.53 | anrp | bitbake likes to recompile things on the smaller triggers |
| 00:59.20 | hhf423 | wow |
| 00:59.32 | hhf423 | 6h on what kind of system roughly? |
| 00:59.47 | josch | intel core 2 duo 2GHz |
| 01:00.05 | hhf423 | whooo :-) |
| 01:00.21 | josch | i could have run it on both cores but I wanted to work on my system during compile |
| 01:00.32 | anrp | -j3! |
| 01:00.48 | josch | does what? |
| 01:01.06 | anrp | 3 compile threads |
| 01:01.07 | anrp | for make |
| 01:01.13 | anrp | well 3 threads of execution |
| 01:01.37 | josch | you mean PARALLEL_MAKE |
| 01:01.45 | josch | as an option in local.conf? |
| 01:02.03 | anrp | y |
| 01:02.05 | anrp | *ya |
| 01:02.18 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[User:Hhf423]] [[SettingsGUI]] |
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| 01:14.23 | josch | okay - going to bed now... 3AM in the morning and 3 hours of sleep left... :-/ |
| 01:14.45 | josch | good night @ all! |
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| 01:15.23 | hhf423 | gnight |
| 01:20.46 | Kovacs | Night josch and hhf423 |
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| 01:35.13 | khorben | alright, just booted my own device for the first time |
| 01:35.37 | khorben | I can go to bed too now |
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| 02:37.56 | zaery | did anyone get the sound quality on calls working? (when i call my other phone, i can hear nothing) |
| 02:38.40 | zaery | i can play songs just fine on the speaker |
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| 02:49.59 | hortinstein | helo |
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| 03:33.45 | mrcucumber | hi |
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| 03:39.11 | SpeedEvil | Things to avoid in the GPS router application: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/6646331.stm |
| 03:41.08 | Agrajag- | hahah |
| 03:41.38 | Agrajag- | my tomtom clearly labels train tracks differently from roads :P |
| 03:50.42 | mwester | Darwin award candidate |
| 03:55.52 | SpeedEvil | It depends on the signage. |
| 03:56.13 | SpeedEvil | If the sign said "train crossing - if green light ..." |
| 03:56.19 | SpeedEvil | then there is no real excuse. |
| 03:56.35 | SpeedEvil | If it just says "If green light..." then that's bad signage. |
| 03:57.38 | roh | its uk after all.. if their train crossings are as good as the rest of their railway system i don't wonder |
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| 04:04.05 | mrcucumber | SpeedEvil:are you working, or planning on working on a GPS nav app? |
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| 04:04.53 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 04:05.09 | SpeedEvil | The fundamental problem is that there is no available database of roads. |
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| 04:08.39 | Agrajag- | has anyone started work on a tracking app though? to create gpx (or whatever format takes your fancy) files? |
| 04:10.02 | Agrajag- | i find my handheld one really useful for that (and then use google maps api to show the track - https://home.whatsbeef.net/~filip/map/ ). but i use a garmin for it, and it's got a fairly crappy gps receiver |
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| 04:17.23 | SpeedEvil | See [[GPS-Trails]] on the wiki |
| 04:17.47 | Agrajag- | ta |
| 04:18.49 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS-Trail |
| 04:20.01 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. I need to rewrite that a bit, it doesn't explain it can also be used for other uses. |
| 04:20.15 | SpeedEvil | At the moment. |
| 04:20.36 | SpeedEvil | I just log the nmea output of the GPS binary, and drop it through gpsbabel to make gpx. |
| 04:20.47 | Agrajag- | yeah, i can't imagine that's very hard |
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| 04:21.38 | SpeedEvil | Not really. The trails application gets moderately complex. |
| 04:22.05 | SpeedEvil | It's basically intended as an 'install and forget' app for some users to contribute to OSM. |
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| 04:35.50 | mrcucumber | SpeedEvil: Lots of map resources |
| 04:35.59 | mrcucumber | SpeedEvil: for the US Tiger/Line |
| 04:36.10 | mrcucumber | SpeedEvil: Canada has something equivliant |
| 04:36.28 | SpeedEvil | And not for most of the wor;d. |
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| 04:36.30 | mrcucumber | SpeedEvil: and for Europe you can read the propritary formats, but you have to buy them first |
| 04:36.48 | eggsy | ? |
| 04:36.54 | mrcucumber | SpeedEvil: you can read garmin maps, which includes just about everywhere |
| 04:37.04 | mrcucumber | SpeedEvil: Theirs some basic work on navit.sf.net |
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| 04:37.23 | mrcucumber | they recomend a couple different map packages that you can buy that they can use as source data. |
| 04:37.41 | mrcucumber | SpeedEvil: where are you located? |
| 04:37.50 | joao | Has anyone having trouble building due to gtk? My build just failed |
| 04:37.50 | aloril | joao: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 04:37.56 | daMaestro | mrcucumber, /dev/your/backyard |
| 04:38.24 | mrcucumber | ??? you live in my backyard!?! |
| 04:38.30 | mrcucumber | sweet, we should hang out sometime. |
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| 04:43.36 | mrcucumber | SpeedEvil: ? |
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| 04:49.59 | roh | morning |
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| 05:20.51 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973/es]] [[Openstreetmap]] [[Wishlist:Bible_Reader]] |
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| 05:35.24 | anticw | lol. there is a bible reader? |
| 05:35.29 | ckuethe | it should be |
| 05:35.35 | Agrajag- | don't think so, but someone wants one. haha. |
| 05:36.14 | ckuethe | "Most handheld platforms have some sort of bible, or religeous text reader. An excellent example would be bible+ for the palm platform. A good generic approach so that the reader was designed to read any religeous text would be a good idea." |
| 05:36.45 | ckuethe | remove "religeous"... |
| 05:36.56 | ckuethe | just a nice tight ebook reader |
| 05:37.00 | Agrajag- | or at least spell it correctly |
| 05:37.41 | thomasg | a specific "biblereader" is the most stupid things I've ever seen for the smartphone platforms |
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| 05:40.20 | ckuethe | i just edited to ask what good a specific bible reader is... |
| 05:40.54 | ckuethe | is it one with a compressed dictionary of approved words so if it's not a word in the bible, you can't read it? |
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| 05:43.11 | mwester | "red letter"-ing? |
| 05:43.33 | mwester | concordance? (sp?) |
| 05:44.29 | mwester | but still, a general ebook reader should suffice, one would think. |
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| 05:45.59 | ckuethe | bible-reader that groks regular ebooks, or ebook reader that groks popular bible formats... |
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| 05:57.23 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Bible_Reader]] |
| 05:57.53 | xkr47 | morning |
| 05:58.15 | CM | morning |
| 05:58.20 | linux_galore | better as a Koran reader too heh |
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| 05:58.24 | mellon | ckuethe: it'll appeal to a certain demographic. so why the heck not? |
| 05:59.13 | linux_galore | the problem is if you add a bible reader then you have to also add readers for all the other religious denominations |
| 05:59.24 | mellon | up to them, isn't it? |
| 05:59.47 | mellon | I'm sure there's a bible reader for the Palm Pilot, but since it's an add-on, nobody gets offended (much). |
| 05:59.53 | linux_galore | no not if OM add the bible it isnt |
| 05:59.58 | CM | mellon: Why not make a rosary bead app at the same time. Tap screen to go to the next bead-. ;) |
| 06:00.10 | mellon | Not a good UI. A real rosary is much easier. |
| 06:00.21 | mellon | Or you can count on your knuckles - that way you don't have to carry anything extra. |
| 06:00.39 | linux_galore | heh @ kinetic scrolling and rosary |
| 06:00.45 | CM | linux_galore: Hehe |
| 06:00.56 | mellon | Quick or accurate: pick zero. |
| 06:00.58 | mellon | :') |
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| 06:01.31 | mellon | The Survey of India would have loved some Neos. |
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| 06:02.45 | linux_galore | mellon: yeah, were to get a decent curry |
| 06:03.25 | mellon | Oh, back then you'd just ask. I just mean it'd beat the crap out of a rosary for figuring out where you are - they used to count paces on a rosary to make maps. |
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| 06:06.27 | linux_galore | I propose a Gaydar app, enter an Apple store and it seg faults due to overload |
| 06:06.55 | linux_galore | :-P |
| 06:08.30 | mellon | It would be nice if you could keep the slurs to a minimum. |
| 06:10.44 | torpor | what good are such comments to the sake of openmoko? |
| 06:11.54 | aloril | app in default image != app being available |
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| 06:14.11 | CM | aloril2: Did you get my message about the buying_interest list? |
| 06:14.20 | aloril | CM: yes and I agree |
| 06:14.27 | CM | Good. :) |
| 06:14.45 | CM | Didn't want to move the whole old list since you started the page ;) |
| 06:15.39 | aloril | just not gotten around to do it yet ;-) (P1 part to P1_Buying_interest_list and link from P1_Owners page to it with note that not all from it bought it or that some that are on that list who bought it are not in owners list) |
| 06:15.53 | aloril | feel free to do it |
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| 06:16.16 | CM | I'll see if I get a moment to fix it during the day :) |
| 06:20.22 | linux_galore | http://abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/20/2009811.htm |
| 06:20.43 | linux_galore | revenge of the toxic avenger |
| 06:25.35 | CM | linux_galore: Ouch.. formaldehyde? ISn't that used to preserve corpses? |
| 06:32.33 | josch | how do I build an older qemu version with moko makefile? |
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| 06:37.35 | CM | josch: In my local.conf I have this: |
| 06:37.36 | CM | PREFERRED_VERSION_qemu-native = "0.9.0+cvs20070701" |
| 06:37.36 | CM | SRCDATE_qemu-native = 20070701 |
| 06:37.58 | FuzzyCat | bing |
| 06:38.13 | josch | yeah I also added this to avoid localisation problems with my 64bit system and qemu |
| 06:38.36 | FuzzyCat | erm |
| 06:39.06 | CM | josch: You're on gentoo aswell? |
| 06:39.09 | josch | but it doesn't seem to change the version in which I'm running openmoko |
| 06:39.12 | josch | no, on ubuntu |
| 06:39.46 | CM | Ok. I thought my localization problem was because I have limited the locales in glibc, but maybe it's a 64-bit thing |
| 06:39.47 | FuzzyCat | why not just limit the locales |
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| 06:40.24 | josch | it surely is a 64bit thing |
| 06:40.41 | josch | everybody I asked sayed that and it's also in the wiki |
| 06:40.48 | CM | josch: what if you remove the-native from the qemu prefs in local.conf? |
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| 06:41.30 | CM | FuzzyCat: GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_US.UTF-8" saves me at least half an hour when building :) |
| 06:41.48 | FuzzyCat | I know... |
| 06:41.58 | FuzzyCat | I told you :) (alter ego) |
| 06:42.29 | CM | Hehe |
| 06:42.46 | FuzzyCat | my build problems stopped when I removed all the multi processor/parallel buildin |
| 06:42.47 | CM | Feeling fuzzy on a monday morning? |
| 06:42.54 | FuzzyCat | very... |
| 06:42.59 | FuzzyCat | 2 ours sleep |
| 06:43.02 | FuzzyCat | hours |
| 06:43.09 | CM | I did finish a build this morning, and tried to flash it |
| 06:43.12 | FuzzyCat | just drove from .nl to uk |
| 06:43.19 | CM | But then the neo wouldn't boot |
| 06:43.23 | FuzzyCat | :o |
| 06:43.27 | CM | Ah, ouch. How far is that? |
| 06:43.39 | FuzzyCat | ~ 650km |
| 06:43.43 | CM | It kernel panics on "No init found" |
| 06:43.50 | CM | That's ok :-D |
| 06:44.05 | FuzzyCat | you flashed the uImage and rootfs ? |
| 06:44.26 | CM | No, I was too lazy to flash the uImage |
| 06:44.32 | CM | So I guess that's why |
| 06:44.38 | CM | Hehe |
| 06:44.42 | CM | I was in a hurry! |
| 06:44.45 | FuzzyCat | yeah, you need mathcing ones |
| 06:44.56 | FuzzyCat | the kernel takes 10-20 second! |
| 06:45.09 | CM | Well, I wanted to try if the kernel was ok, there's only a days difference |
| 06:45.23 | FuzzyCat | it'd do it in less time than it took to put your coat on |
| 06:45.52 | FuzzyCat | I reflashed mine with .2 (nand erased first) |
| 06:46.14 | CM | I did a nand erase too |
| 06:46.17 | FuzzyCat | .3 seems to have nmoved forward a little... still very rough |
| 06:46.23 | FuzzyCat | .3==.2 |
| 06:46.42 | CM | Another reason I didn't want to flash the kernel is that it borkes my boot menu every time |
| 06:47.03 | CM | But I'm getting quick at fixing that by now |
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| 06:47.10 | FuzzyCat | I used to get a power management menu, but now nothing |
| 06:47.24 | FuzzyCat | yeah, you have the practice :) |
| 06:48.50 | FuzzyCat | I also moved my build from mokomaker to my laptop with no hitches at all |
| 06:49.22 | CM | Just copy the whole folder or what? |
| 06:49.26 | FuzzyCat | but I have to remember never to update the makefile... |
| 06:49.46 | FuzzyCat | yeah.. copied the whole lot (rsync) |
| 06:50.05 | FuzzyCat | + a copy of monotone in that dir too... |
| 06:50.21 | FuzzyCat | so it's pretty standalone for the main tools |
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| 06:50.35 | FuzzyCat | and it doesn't need to rebuild the mtn db |
| 06:52.00 | rwhitby | FuzzyCat: why do you have to remember not to update the makefile? |
| 06:52.42 | FuzzyCat | because it blew away my other stuff... |
| 06:52.54 | FuzzyCat | created a om2007.2 dir etc... |
| 06:52.59 | FuzzyCat | killed setup-env |
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| 06:53.14 | FuzzyCat | and I had exta bits in for building my local apps |
| 06:53.18 | FuzzyCat | extra |
| 06:53.49 | FuzzyCat | was probably because I hadn't spotted that the default was .1 not .2 |
| 06:54.11 | FuzzyCat | wheras the fitrst time it was .2 |
| 06:55.33 | FuzzyCat | I'm pretty happy that it's all setup anyway.. so the makefile only really handles make update, make openmoko-devel-image and make build-package-xxxx |
| 06:56.15 | FuzzyCat | I can't imagine there's much else to add/remove/change in the makefile anyway |
| 06:56.48 | FuzzyCat | oh, and I modified the 'svn revert -R . ' of openmoko svn stuff too |
| 06:57.07 | FuzzyCat | now *that* was annoying :) |
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| 07:00.59 | jeddy3 | mmmm...coffee |
| 07:01.10 | zash_se | mmmmm... |
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| 07:01.37 | FuzzyCat | they make me bring it back... along with beer |
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| 07:02.42 | josch | if anybody remembers - I had this problem with my touchscreen on qemu six hours ago and now I want to use an older version of qemu to verify that it's a problem with the emulator and not openmoko |
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| 07:05.41 | josch | my current qemu version is 0.9.0 but this is the latest, right? |
| 07:07.16 | josch | I just saw that 0.9.0 is the version I set up with PREFERRED_VERSION_qemu-native = "0.9.0+cvs20070701" in my local.conf |
| 07:07.41 | josch | but can anybody tell me which qemu version I used with 2007.1 - it worked for me there |
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| 07:10.00 | Psi_ | anything interesting now working since 20070810 2007.2 build? |
| 07:10.49 | FuzzyCat | dunno... |
| 07:11.15 | FuzzyCat | I turned mine on the other day and it got 4 bars on the gsm ... |
| 07:11.24 | FuzzyCat | usually I have to fiddle with it |
| 07:11.29 | Psi_ | thats good |
| 07:11.47 | FuzzyCat | it only happend once |
| 07:11.51 | Psi_ | heh |
| 07:12.04 | rtyler | Has Opera made any mention of desiring to support the Neo? |
| 07:12.28 | FuzzyCat | and, I think it should be telling you which network it's connected to |
| 07:12.38 | FuzzyCat | whcih, atm it doesn;t |
| 07:12.51 | FuzzyCat | unless you manually at+cops? |
| 07:13.09 | mrface | opera's not going to do that without a significant contribution from FIC |
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| 07:13.40 | rtyler | too bad Opera's not open source >_> |
| 07:13.44 | mrface | yes.. |
| 07:13.51 | rtyler | i'll be more than happy with a good WebKit based browser |
| 07:14.16 | FuzzyCat | s/webkit based// |
| 07:14.24 | rtyler | heh |
| 07:14.38 | mrface | yes, it sounds like webkit gtk came a long way due to the coding sprint at chaos camp |
| 07:14.48 | jgm | Shame it doesn't compile any more... |
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| 07:14.59 | FuzzyCat | broken again jgm ? |
| 07:15.06 | mrface | jgm: openmoko? |
| 07:15.11 | FuzzyCat | or still |
| 07:15.17 | jgm | ERROR: '/home/jgm/om/openembedded/packages/webkit/webkit-gtk_svn.bb' failed |
| 07:15.29 | jgm | Yep, along with openmoko-libs and libmokogsmd2 |
| 07:15.41 | mrface | oh dear |
| 07:15.49 | jgm | I know that SVN is development but you'd hope that people would at least commit code that compiled |
| 07:16.11 | FuzzyCat | loll |
| 07:16.12 | FuzzyCat | -l |
| 07:16.15 | FuzzyCat | yes.. |
| 07:16.39 | FuzzyCat | you'd think that part of changing the code would be testing it |
| 07:16.47 | jgm | s/testing/compiling/ |
| 07:17.16 | CM | jgm: http://build.webkit.org/ |
| 07:17.50 | CM | You can set a certain revision if you want |
| 07:18.01 | jgm | BTW are there any UI people here that are desperate to build a mini GUI for an openmoko app? Massive rewards available (in the form of your name in the credits) |
| 07:18.05 | CM | But I agree, it should definitely compile |
| 07:18.50 | CM | jgm: Make some example of the ui you want, and show it. I'm sure someone that's good with UI's will give you comments how to fix it :) |
| 07:19.13 | jgm | CM: yeah was going to look in to the whole "setting a particular revision of each package" thing but haven't found any references to doing so with Mokomakefile |
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| 07:19.40 | jgm | I just have no knowledge whatsoever of GTK programming and don't want to start now |
| 07:20.05 | ljp | FuzzyCat: thats the way to do it! |
| 07:20.06 | jgm | But yeah it shouldn't be hard to knock up some examples of what the GUI should look like |
| 07:20.13 | rtyler|mobile | FuzzyCat: from your Neo right? :P |
| 07:20.13 | zash_se | coffeecam! |
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| 07:22.56 | CM | How fast is the OMAP 1710 at 252MHz that's in the N770 compared to the Neo's cpu? |
| 07:23.13 | CM | I'm wondering about Canola running on the Neo :) |
| 07:24.10 | FuzzyCat | canola is ok, it's just a little annoying ... |
| 07:24.15 | FuzzyCat | very smart though |
| 07:24.24 | CM | *nod* |
| 07:24.25 | FuzzyCat | swooshy movement |
| 07:24.38 | CM | I haven't tried it, but it looks slick I think :) |
| 07:25.09 | FuzzyCat | was one of the first things I installed |
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| 07:25.58 | FuzzyCat | but I only have the 64mb card... which is worse than useless for any amount of audio :/ |
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| 07:28.14 | FuzzyCat | Q_Uncontinuum? |
| 07:28.52 | FuzzyCat | spies |
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| 07:39.26 | pH5 | LaF0rge, jserv2: I think the mlbuf initialization and change of the length check was lost in the latest libgsmd commits, also it sometimes includes the \0 of zero-terminated strings when sending out commands: http://en.pastebin.ca/664190 |
| 07:40.32 | anticw | looking over gsm.log what would i see to know if the device is able to talk to the network? |
| 07:42.34 | anticw | hmm, gsmd seems to crash a lot |
| 07:42.50 | rtyler|mobile | anticw: everything seems to crash a lot ;) |
| 07:43.15 | anticw | true :-) |
| 07:43.25 | anticw | but the pictures are pretty |
| 07:43.33 | pH5 | anticw: look out for netreg events |
| 07:43.56 | anticw | pH5: dont see them |
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| 07:44.18 | anticw | pH5: does gsmd also talk to the sim card ... could it be having problems then? |
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| 07:44.52 | rtyler|mobile | bummer, VPN's broke and my Neo is plugged in at work >_> |
| 07:45.58 | anticw | is there a watchdog timer daemon yet? |
| 07:45.59 | pH5 | anticw: gsmd talks to the ti chip, the ti chip talks to the sim card, hopefully. |
| 07:46.16 | pH5 | "libgsmd-tool --mode atcmd" and "AT+COPS=?" should show you the available gsm networks |
| 07:47.08 | anticw | EVENT: Netreg registered (roaming) LocationAreaCode = 0x00F0 CellID = 0x4ECD |
| 07:47.17 | anticw | ok sweet, so it saw something |
| 07:47.18 | anticw | hrm |
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| 07:48.50 | anticw | pH5: ok thanks, that sorta did something |
| 07:51.56 | anticw | ok, so i can get calls out ... sorta; no sound |
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| 07:57.39 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MacOS_X]] [[Main_Page/cs]] [[User:Mmontour/HHNotes]] [[Talk:SettingsGUI]] [[SH1_FAQ]] |
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| 08:09.13 | hhf423_w | anticw: thats because the neo does not properly switch sound profiles yet |
| 08:09.46 | hhf423_w | you can do it manually with alsactl only at the moment. |
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| 08:10.17 | hhf423_w | I used gsmhandset.state which worked for me (then you have sound for the call, but no ringing, vibration, though) |
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| 08:13.25 | zash_se | CM: trafficing? |
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| 08:16.57 | CM | zash_se: They have caught a lot of that recently, and I hope they continue to do so. But still, what a name on a company.. |
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| 08:25.11 | Psi_ | hhf423_w, do you know the reason it doesnt switch sound profiles yet? |
| 08:26.09 | Psi_ | just because its less important that other things? or is there a problem and no one has come up with a good solution yet? |
| 08:26.46 | Psi_ | im just curious |
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| 08:40.21 | josch | it seems that nobody can help me with my problem so could anyone at least confirm that openmoko 2007.2 in qemu build by mokomakefile works for him on his 64bit linux |
| 08:40.45 | CM | josch: How new? |
| 08:41.00 | CM | josch: And you mean to run in qemu? |
| 08:41.22 | CM | I have built 2007.2 and used it on my Neo 2 days ago |
| 08:41.38 | CM | But I haven't tried in qemu yet |
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| 08:45.20 | josch | i did make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image just now |
| 08:45.20 | josch | then it *must* be a problem with qemu? |
| 08:45.25 | josch | and I did have the error two days ago, too |
| 08:48.09 | CM | josch: What error is it you're getting? |
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| 08:50.49 | josch | I explained it several times a few hours ago: the touchscreen device seems to be rotated 90° clockwise |
| 08:51.07 | josch | if I want to hit a button I have to imagine the screen would be turned around |
| 08:51.21 | CM | ok.. Weird |
| 08:51.30 | CM | Never heard anyone else have that issue |
| 08:51.39 | jgm | Could be a bad calibration? |
| 08:51.59 | josch | this maybe a problem with the hardware emulation of qemu |
| 08:52.19 | CM | Ah, and you could remove a file to redo the calibration |
| 08:52.29 | josch | which one? |
| 08:52.30 | CM | Hmm.. Someone said where, but I forgot |
| 08:52.38 | CM | Wait, I'll search the logs |
| 08:52.47 | jgm | You can run a binary to re-calibrate, think it is ts-calibrate in /usr/bin (but that's from memory) |
| 08:53.14 | josch | I will search for something |
| 08:53.35 | josch | whish me luck on finding the correct buttons for opening up the console ^^ |
| 08:54.40 | CM | rm /etc/pontercal |
| 08:55.06 | CM | That's what XorA said a week ago to someone who asked |
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| 08:55.35 | CM | Maybe pointercal? |
| 08:55.53 | FuzzyCat | xtcal ? |
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| 08:56.16 | CM | FuzzyCat: Might be, I just looked in the logs |
| 08:56.33 | josch | ah thx - I will try it out |
| 08:56.47 | josch | now that you mention it - in 2007.1 i had to run calibration every time I build a new image |
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| 08:57.02 | josch | now in 2007.2 it's not asking for it anymore |
| 08:57.33 | CM | I guess they have a default calibration |
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| 08:58.09 | josch | which doesn't seem to work at least with qemu |
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| 09:00.40 | josch | it was ts_calibrate!! |
| 09:00.46 | josch | thx guys! |
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| 09:01.05 | josch | should i write this down in the "openmoko in qemu" wiki entry? |
| 09:01.19 | josch | I don't know i other also experienced this problem |
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| 09:01.29 | CM | josch: Do it anyway |
| 09:01.41 | CM | If it's happened once, I'm sure it can happen to other people aswell |
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| 09:10.15 | jeddy3 | do i have to rebuild anything after removing dependencies on openmoko-terminal/-keyboard (as mentioned in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 ) ...libmokogsmd2 still fails to build |
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| 09:12.44 | kristian-m | jeddy3 a dirty workaround for that: http://nopaste.eof.name/195 - seems to be a known error. |
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| 09:17.12 | jeddy3 | kristian-m, hmm, i don't have a tmp/downloads |
| 09:19.28 | kristian-m | hmm you should - in the build directory |
| 09:20.47 | jeddy3 | kristian-m, nope :) |
| 09:21.12 | FuzzyCat | are you 'rm_work' ing ? |
| 09:21.18 | jeddy3 | FuzzyCat, no |
| 09:24.03 | hhf423_w | Psi_: I believe it is in the works and was just not properly done yet. If I did not misunderstood mickey, it will get fixed in a few days |
| 09:25.13 | CM | the webkit svn must be ridiculously slow.. It's been checking out for about 2 hours now |
| 09:25.26 | Psi_ | i see |
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| 09:27.05 | stefan_schmidt | CM: It's around 300MB in svn IIRC |
| 09:27.41 | CM | stefan_schmidt: Ouch.. Still slow though. :) |
| 09:27.51 | stefan_schmidt | CM: heh |
| 09:28.04 | stefan_schmidt | CM: Ask zecke if you like to hear complains about it. :) |
| 09:28.56 | CM | stefan_schmidt: I can only imagine. Glad I can just let it go in the background and do other things, like work-work. ;) |
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| 09:38.22 | rtyler | man, quilt and OE just hate Mac OS X |
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| 09:39.47 | zecke | rtyler: port install quilt |
| 09:40.19 | zecke | rtyler: and it is not OE hating OSX, koen and me do use OSX. It is glibc hating OSX :) |
| 09:40.55 | zecke | rtyler: "glibc requires a sane environment for building, OSX does not qualify" as the chief of glibc loves to say |
| 09:41.08 | rtyler | heh |
| 09:41.29 | rtyler | well, than it's the MokoMakefile needing to build quilt for some reason |
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| 09:42.16 | zecke | rtyler: I think I would need a week to make OE work on OSX, hating and working are two distinct things |
| 09:42.45 | rtyler | heh |
| 09:42.49 | rtyler | well, get to it mister :D |
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| 09:48.15 | jseghers | hello all |
| 09:48.43 | jseghers | anyone have a fix for openmoko-libs failing to build? |
| 09:49.14 | DPThought | zecke: you use osx? Can you tell me what this AJZaurusUSB thing does for me? As far as i can tell, OSX works just fine without it. I get e network device as soon as i plug in my neo. |
| 09:49.40 | pH5 | jserv2: do you have an idea what to do about gsmd_phonebook / llist_head already? |
| 09:49.59 | zecke | DPThought: no idea, I write my own drivers |
| 09:50.29 | pH5 | jseghers: for now band-aid is to copy common/linux_list.h into the staging include dir |
| 09:50.36 | torpor | ajzaurus just gives your osx machine a matching kext for the gadget ethernet interface. its already included in newer versions of OSX (gadget eth driver, that is) |
| 09:51.29 | DPThought | torpor: ok. So i don't need it? Or do i need the AJZaurusUSB for flashing? |
| 09:51.41 | jseghers | pH5: thank you. Do you know if there's an easy way to keep MokoMakefile from always trying to pull the latest and greatest? |
| 09:52.14 | pH5 | jseghers: no, but expect that to be fixed soon in bitbake with SRCREV support |
| 09:53.30 | jseghers | pH5: OK.. one other question: it seems that it always tries to rebuild uboot and linux packages with new timestamps, even if nothing has changed there. Is it possible to keep it from doing that? |
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| 09:53.33 | pH5 | morning mickeyl |
| 09:53.53 | mickeyl | morning |
| 09:55.08 | jseghers | pH5: or is that part and parcel of the same SRCREV issue? |
| 09:55.16 | pH5 | jseghers: you could fix the SRCDATE to a certain day (SRCDATE_uboot-openmoko = "20070819" in some .conf) |
| 09:55.45 | pH5 | jseghers: it's the same issue, SRCDATE will be replaced by SRCREV, eventually. |
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| 09:55.50 | jseghers | pH5: OK, thanks, I'll see if I can find that. |
| 09:55.55 | roh | hey pH5 |
| 09:55.59 | pH5 | hi roh |
| 09:57.38 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[User:Dpavlin]] [[Wishlist:Bible_Reader]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] |
| 09:57.55 | roh | i'd like to invoke a meeting of moko people in berlin... do you have time this week? |
| 09:59.56 | pH5 | roh: late afternoon/evening, yes. |
| 10:00.19 | rwhitby | I'm going to remove the openembedded patches stuff from Mokomakefile, now that it's tracking .dev (since I can just as easily make a mod to oe.dev as add an openembedded path to mokomakefile. |
| 10:03.06 | jgm | rwhitby: will that affect our ability to put our own patches together and integrate them in to the build as available at current? |
| 10:03.28 | rwhitby | Hmm - good point. |
| 10:04.27 | rwhitby | jgm: what I will do is remove the reverting stuff, so your local changes don't get reverted. |
| 10:04.42 | jgm | Okay cool |
| 10:05.23 | jgm | (I assume that the patching system is clever enough to understand incremental patching i.e. I build a patch with quilt, update, change the patch, update again and it will work out what to add where) |
| 10:05.53 | zecke | mickeyl: BTW: I updated the python bindings. and mokogsmd, and mokoui should be fully covered, mokojournal needs some work and porting/recreating the example needs work as well |
| 10:05.53 | rwhitby | currently it is, cause it does all the reverting. |
| 10:06.12 | rwhitby | but people are rightly complaining that the reverting is taking a long time on updates |
| 10:07.02 | rwhitby | that's the crux of the problem - how to enable local patches for some power users without slowing it down for the normal user |
| 10:07.58 | jgm | make patches? |
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| 10:14.25 | rwhitby | ok, I think I've worked out how to not do the revert if there are no local patches. |
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| 10:20.20 | jgm | I have a local patch so can test it if you need |
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| 10:32.20 | mickeyl | zecke: cool! |
| 10:32.26 | mickeyl | zecke: do we have a bb for thatß |
| 10:32.27 | mickeyl | ? |
| 10:32.38 | zecke | mickeyl: I think we don't |
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| 10:32.58 | mickeyl | zecke: ok, you're using distutils, right? |
| 10:33.04 | mickeyl | zecke: I'm adding one then |
| 10:33.31 | zecke | mickeyl: no, autoconf |
| 10:34.16 | mickeyl | eeks |
| 10:34.26 | mickeyl | :) |
| 10:34.31 | zecke | mickeyl: it should still be easy to package |
| 10:34.57 | zecke | mickeyl: pygtk, pygobject, mokoui, mokogsmd, mokojournal are the deps, make install should work as well |
| 10:35.33 | mickeyl | zecke: ok, fair enough. |
| 10:35.39 | mickeyl | zecke: I'll have a go at packaging it then |
| 10:35.59 | zecke | luckily we are scripting language agnostic :) |
| 10:36.17 | mickeyl | of course :D |
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| 10:36.41 | mickeyl | some may be more supported than others, but that's natural selection |
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| 10:37.11 | zecke | mickeyl: as long as the name refers to british humor, |
| 10:37.18 | mickeyl | right |
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| 10:38.10 | andylockran | my neo is currently in the hands of the Vodafone UK handset procurement manager... |
| 10:38.39 | cjb_ie | for why?!? |
| 10:39.08 | andylockran | cjb_ie: he was dead interested in it and has been on at me for a while about taking a look at it |
| 10:39.20 | cjb_ie | cool |
| 10:39.37 | cjb_ie | so long as he's not expecting something that works totally out of the box yet |
| 10:39.57 | ewon | ah fuck it, nokia have released phones with worse bugs :) |
| 10:40.07 | ewon | first generation 6230i has trouble turning on |
| 10:40.08 | andylockran | cjb_ie: no - I´ve given him a proper heads up on it all - but I doubt vodafone with be the best network to take the handset |
| 10:40.16 | andylockran | after what they did to the n95 |
| 10:40.37 | andylockran | but hey - it´s time for a change of strategy - so lets hope the neo can kick start it for them |
| 10:41.14 | cjb_ie | no idea what they did to the n95, i'm looking from the far side of the irish sea here |
| 10:41.29 | andylockran | cjb_ie: they crippled it :) |
| 10:42.14 | andylockran | what are the licensing deals regarding the neo1973 |
| 10:42.44 | andylockran | whilst sim-free it seems obvious - should a network provider wish to add the neo to its stable - who would the network provider need to contact |
| 10:43.06 | andylockran | I´m against having exclusive import licenses for individuals |
| 10:43.18 | andylockran | but it could be a nice way of generating revenue to give some developers a bonus |
| 10:43.23 | mickeyl | zecke: any preference for the name? python-libmoko ? |
| 10:43.27 | mickeyl | python-pymoko? |
| 10:43.29 | mickeyl | python-openmoko? |
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| 10:46.24 | hads | Who's responsible for the python-* packages? |
| 10:46.36 | Shoragan | andylockran, they could probably just resell it |
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| 10:52.10 | mickeyl | hads: that would be me. I'm Mr.Python in OE |
| 10:52.15 | andylockran | Shoragan what do you mean? |
| 10:52.15 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r142 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Don't do all the reverting and stuff if there are no local patches applied. |
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| 10:52.27 | rwhitby | jgm: give that version a try. |
| 10:52.28 | mickeyl | so if you have any python problems, I'm afraid I'm the man |
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| 10:53.08 | hads | mickeyl: Cool. Hi :) I need to sit down at some stage when I have time and figure out how to make packages. I've got a script I want to run but it depends on pyserial so I need to add a couple of packages. |
| 10:57.42 | xzcvczx | 3% of devel image done |
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| 11:00.15 | mickeyl | hads: distutils rocks. or do you mean .bb package? |
| 11:00.28 | hads | mickeyl: Yeah, bb |
| 11:00.40 | hads | Something I haven't read up on yet. |
| 11:00.41 | mickeyl | hads: ah. once you use distutils, the .bb file is a four-liner :) |
| 11:00.49 | mickeyl | SRC_URI = foo |
| 11:00.51 | mickeyl | inherit distutils |
| 11:00.54 | hads | Oh sweet |
| 11:01.01 | mickeyl | + some metadata |
| 11:01.06 | mickeyl | but this is more or less it |
| 11:01.23 | hads | A couple of them are standard lib though, select and fcntl |
| 11:01.48 | hads | Actually, that's all of them except for pyserial itself. |
| 11:01.52 | mickeyl | hads: right. it's then a matter of the right RDEPENDS |
| 11:02.06 | mickeyl | you can see in python-2.5-manifest.inc which package contains which subfile |
| 11:02.18 | mickeyl | then you should RDEPEND on those packages |
| 11:02.29 | hads | Cool, cheers for the pointers. |
| 11:06.50 | mickeyl | np |
| 11:07.00 | mickeyl | so how's the overall reception of the August snapshot? |
| 11:07.26 | mickeyl | oh, wait. the announcement hasn't made it yet |
| 11:07.33 | zecke | lol |
| 11:08.19 | zecke | mickeyl: you mean the last snapshot before we switch to Windows Mobile 6.0 and shared source? |
| 11:08.24 | ewon | hah |
| 11:08.31 | rtyler | what's the right version of quilt to have such that OE won't spew errors? There were like two point revisions where the CLI options changed significantly enough to break stuff |
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| 11:10.11 | mickeyl | zecke: ssschhhhh |
| 11:10.24 | mickeyl | zecke: you are violating your NDA |
| 11:10.43 | mickeyl | rtyler: OE builds its own quilt. it shouldn't use yours |
| 11:11.01 | rtyler | yeah, and that seems to be the problem :) |
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| 11:11.12 | rtyler | it's failing miserably on it's own wonderful quilt |
| 11:11.17 | zecke | mickeyl: NDAs only work if you can lose something. Do you want to take my teddy, NES or sweatshirt away? |
| 11:11.29 | mickeyl | zecke: teddy! |
| 11:11.38 | zecke | mickeyl: you monster! |
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| 11:11.41 | mickeyl | har har har |
| 11:11.52 | mickeyl | :D |
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| 11:12.15 | Kovacs | Can texting messaging be achieved on the Neo 1973 with your thumb or does the stylus have to be used to type the characters? More importantly, can you type a text message out fast? |
| 11:12.34 | rtyler | mickeyl: http://pastebin.ca/664312 |
| 11:12.57 | ewon | Kovacs: someone has to write the sms software first, the moko can barely make a phonecall presently |
| 11:13.11 | rtyler | *rimshot* |
| 11:13.12 | Kovacs | Ok, I thought they would have implemented that by now |
| 11:13.30 | rtyler | Kovacs: having a solid platform beneath it all is a bit more important IMIO ;) |
| 11:13.37 | Kovacs | True |
| 11:13.38 | mickeyl | rtyler: ooh, that doesn't look good |
| 11:13.42 | rtyler | heh |
| 11:13.43 | mickeyl | rtyler: you moved your sourcedir? |
| 11:13.44 | rtyler | no kidding |
| 11:13.48 | ewon | Kovacs: much haxoring to be done |
| 11:13.49 | mickeyl | s/sourcedir/builddir/ |
| 11:13.59 | ewon | I personally am being a selfish swine and sitting around waiting for GTA02 |
| 11:14.01 | mickeyl | quilt freaks out if you move the builddir after it's been built |
| 11:14.07 | cesarb | Managed to call UPS (yeah, they really do not work on weekends... Tried before 8:00, busy; 2 minutes after, answered; now it's 8:15) |
| 11:14.07 | mickeyl | it contains hardcoded paths to its command plugins |
| 11:14.11 | rtyler | this is with a clean slate AFAIK |
| 11:14.24 | Kovacs | Me too ewon, me too :) |
| 11:14.29 | cesarb | I have to pay before they send the package, since they will send via a third-party which cannot receive the money :P |
| 11:14.31 | mickeyl | rtyler: sounds like quilt-native wasn't build then. try bitbake -c rebuild quilt-native |
| 11:14.32 | rtyler | rwhitby didn't add a `make clean` so should I rename the builddir for now and see if it still falls over? |
| 11:14.34 | ewon | I wonder how one tells the gsm modem you want to send an SMS; I suspect it's some form of AT command |
| 11:14.35 | mickeyl | and then try again |
| 11:14.43 | ewon | could be done from inside emacs I'm sure |
| 11:14.46 | ewon | \o/ |
| 11:14.47 | cesarb | The call they made (and I didn't receive) friday was exactly to try to tell me that |
| 11:14.58 | ewon | meta-x-I-want-to-send-an-sms-k-pls-thx |
| 11:17.17 | ewon | cesarb: that would be me |
| 11:19.25 | ewon | hah |
| 11:19.34 | rtyler | mickeyl: the good news is that it sounds like that would work |
| 11:19.51 | rtyler | the bad news is that it didn't, and I got checksum mismatching errors aplenty on quilt-native |
| 11:19.51 | mickeyl | rtyler: why do i think there will be bad news as well? :D |
| 11:19.54 | mickeyl | hah |
| 11:20.22 | mickeyl | rtyler: might want to give a "manual" build a try? |
| 11:20.27 | mickeyl | using bb and oe directly? |
| 11:20.32 | cesarb | ewon: imagine a (if I recall correctly) M-x compile "freezing" the interface until the whole makefile ended, when all the output suddenly appeared and you could type again. The lack of multitasking was that bad. |
| 11:20.44 | Kovacs | his* crap... Third person! |
| 11:20.55 | rtyler | is there and option to just go to the pub and hope this all works itself out by the time I get back? :P |
| 11:21.05 | mickeyl | hardly |
| 11:21.14 | Kovacs | If you have elves, then yes. |
| 11:21.22 | rtyler | drats, rwhitby should add that to the Mokomakefile too then |
| 11:21.55 | mickeyl | ooh |
| 11:22.02 | ewon | cesarb: they've fixed that :) |
| 11:22.05 | mickeyl | | darwin /Software/Opensource/openmoko/build/tmp/staging/i386-darwin/share/quilt/compat/getopt |
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| 11:22.11 | mickeyl | i386-darwin ??? |
| 11:22.16 | rtyler | heh |
| 11:22.17 | rtyler | yes |
| 11:22.20 | mickeyl | ah |
| 11:22.30 | mickeyl | i think you're the first one building on such a machine |
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| 11:22.37 | mickeyl | welcome pioneer |
| 11:22.37 | rtyler | mickeyl: great >_< |
| 11:22.38 | cesarb | ewon: they have? Cool, I haven't looked at djgpp since about '97... |
| 11:22.55 | rtyler | mickeyl: I have two and a half i386 Darwin machines here, no Linux, Linux is only at work |
| 11:23.03 | rtyler | coincidentally, that's where my frakking Neo is right now too |
| 11:23.18 | mickeyl | rtyler: I'm afraid you have to find out what's going wrong there. We don't have any experiences with darwin, but we'd like to add support for it, if we get patches |
| 11:23.22 | rtyler | "Neo1973, Don't leave home without it" |
| 11:23.22 | mickeyl | we, as in OpenEmbedded |
| 11:23.53 | rtyler | mickeyl: for the most part it seems to work fine, but that's probably more attributabe to Python kicking ass on different platforms :) |
| 11:24.02 | zecke | mickeyl: I have experience with darwin, but no time :) |
| 11:24.24 | zecke | rtyler: e.g. do you have gnused and other GNU coreutils installed? |
| 11:24.35 | rtyler | zecke: your Gallapogos escapdes are of no use here :) |
| 11:24.50 | rtyler | s/escapdes/escapades/ |
| 11:24.57 | rtyler | zecke: but of course :) |
| 11:27.50 | C7_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.57 | C7_ | oops |
| 11:28.03 | rtyler | hahah |
| 11:28.10 | rtyler | it happens |
| 11:30.15 | jgm | rwhitby: hmm... that new makefile deleted my patch |
| 11:30.26 | jgm | (The patch was in openembedded) |
| 11:30.29 | rtyler | your patch probably had it coming |
| 11:30.42 | jgm | So it would appear. Poor patch. |
| 11:31.01 | rtyler | well, maybe next time it won't taunt the build system so much :P |
| 11:31.47 | rtyler | oh yeah, got a link? |
| 11:31.54 | rtyler | I always forget where it is |
| 11:32.21 | ruoso | rtyler, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing |
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| 13:06.45 | alphaone | xzcvczx: Link? |
| 13:06.56 | Writchie | uicmoc4-native-4.3.0-r2 |
| 13:07.03 | xzcvczx | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/images/fic-gta01/OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-P1-August-Snapshot-20070819-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 13:07.51 | alphaone | xzcvczx: Try http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/ |
| 13:09.03 | zecke | mickeyl: I can send you my local changes. but only qmake2,qt4x11 and qtopiacore |
| 13:09.09 | zecke | mickeyl: and this is the wrong channel |
| 13:09.13 | mickeyl | right |
| 13:10.04 | xzcvczx | alphaone: have you got a md5sum of that one |
| 13:10.28 | xzcvczx | 4ae582435db41b30f9bc76d5c3c03940 |
| 13:11.17 | alphaone | 4ae582435db41b30f9bc76d5c3c03940 |
| 13:11.23 | alphaone | So they are the same |
| 13:11.30 | xzcvczx | yup :) |
| 13:11.36 | xzcvczx | will try a nand erase |
| 13:11.41 | alphaone | xzcvczx: Then I can confirm that this image boots |
| 13:12.05 | alphaone | xzcvczx: Updating to the newes u-boot should fix the nand erase bug |
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| 13:13.03 | SpeedEvil | It's just another line in the update script. |
| 13:13.38 | xzcvczx | i thought the u-boot bug was meant to be fixed a while ago |
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| 13:14.13 | xzcvczx | hmmmm the new image booted this time but has funky colors |
| 13:14.23 | alphaone | xzcvczx: Though in reality it was only fixed some weeks ago |
| 13:15.49 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 13:15.55 | mickeyl | sometimes i'm a bit disappointed with this community |
| 13:16.06 | mickeyl | i see a fix for the mrxvt fonts on the wiki page |
| 13:16.08 | mickeyl | but not on bugzilla |
| 13:16.18 | mickeyl | guys, we can't track every means of communication |
| 13:16.21 | mickeyl | please use bugzilla |
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| 13:17.15 | mdt | so no one is really interested to do phone calls with the neo? no interests in libgsmd? ;) |
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| 13:18.02 | alphaone | mdt: That is another problem... |
| 13:18.06 | stefan_schmidt | mdt: The phone is only a feature |
| 13:18.14 | SpeedEvil | You're missing the fact that few geeks talk to people :) |
| 13:18.22 | mdt | :D |
| 13:18.36 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: http://maluga.com.pl/wp-content/uploads/bug-feature.jpg |
| 13:19.07 | stefan_schmidt | mdt: Of course there will be more work on it. But atm we just have not the resources to fix all in one day. |
| 13:19.15 | mickeyl | mdt: we _are_ interested... it's just that the gsmd developer is overbusy right now. |
| 13:19.40 | mdt | i asked if help is wanted - and got no answer |
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| 13:21.04 | stefan_schmidt | mdt: hmm, where? Pepople from outside the project are already helping on it... |
| 13:21.04 | Dmitry_Platonov | mdt, I'm interested too. |
| 13:21.28 | Dmitry_Platonov | but I'd suggest rewrite ^_^ |
| 13:21.31 | mdt | stefan_schmidt, and distroyed it ;) |
| 13:21.40 | stefan_schmidt | mdt: The point is that you would need to make your way through the source yourself. No time for help to get you in... |
| 13:21.48 | mdt | stefan_schmidt, the current HEAD version does not work at all |
| 13:21.58 | xzcvczx | mickeyl: should the .2 off buildhost from the 19th look generally the same as your builds from ~8th? in terms of gui color? |
| 13:22.04 | stefan_schmidt | mdt: Send patches to fix this. |
| 13:22.16 | stefan_schmidt | Dmitry_Platonov: Do it and let us know when you are ready. |
| 13:22.21 | mdt | stefan_schmidt, point is, i would only do anything there if this is used later. anything else is braindead |
| 13:22.38 | mickeyl | xzcvczx: yes |
| 13:23.04 | xzcvczx | thats good to know as my version at the moment looks like billgates has bought the company or something :P |
| 13:23.11 | Dmitry_Platonov | stefan_schmidt, I have own job. Would openmoko hire me? |
| 13:23.15 | alphaone | mdt:Well, then write useful code ;-) |
| 13:23.27 | stefan_schmidt | Dmitry_Platonov: To rewrite code we already have? |
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| 13:24.00 | Dmitry_Platonov | To do anything you want. Coding, bugfixing, packaging. |
| 13:24.11 | Dmitry_Platonov | Consulting |
| 13:24.24 | mdt | alphaone, asuming i do - looking at the response of questions i send to the mailing list i doubed my work would be read also... |
| 13:25.09 | alphaone | mdt: As mickeyl said the gsmd developer is really busy with stuff != gsmd at the moment. |
| 13:25.16 | Dmitry_Platonov | stefan_schmidt, even system administration would do 8) |
| 13:26.19 | xzcvczx | stefan_schmidt: he can always be the office bi*ch |
| 13:26.20 | mdt | alphaone, i know, but understand me, i would not like to do work nobody else is using and enhancing.... |
| 13:26.26 | alphaone | mdt: Even the patches for gsmd have been just sitting there until recently |
| 13:26.46 | Writchie | this is open source project - so what's needed will eventually get done. I for one, want the full GSM/GPRS handset functionality to work, so that is what I am going to do. |
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| 13:28.12 | alphaone | mdt: I see people using and enhancing gsmd. |
| 13:28.20 | alphaone | mdt: Look in svn logs |
| 13:28.24 | mdt | so you are working on gsmd already, Writchie ? |
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| 13:28.57 | Writchie | i am working on what libgsm/gsmd does - but in a different way. |
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| 13:28.59 | alphaone | mdt: But if you want to discuss everything before you'll have to wait. We don't have the resources for that now. |
| 13:29.10 | mdt | alphaone, how does one get a commmit-account for that svn? |
| 13:29.11 | zash_se | mdt: then theres the gsmd-devel mailinglist |
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| 13:29.41 | mdt | zash_se, as i said: no response... |
| 13:29.43 | dotmef | sorry to be a bother - but is it worth lodging a bug about the save-rtc.sh script? I've noticed it's not quite right. |
| 13:29.52 | Dmitry_Platonov | Writchie, if initial sales of neo will fail/delayed because of GSM/GPRS not working, it can be the end of openmoko. |
| 13:30.23 | mdt | Writchie, can you explain what you meant? |
| 13:30.24 | Writchie | depends on what you define as failure |
| 13:31.02 | Writchie | if 2000 a month is defined as success, then neo will easily do this - even as it is. |
| 13:31.15 | xzcvczx | why is it the people with 3 letter names that seem to be able to complain so much |
| 13:31.17 | alphaone | mdt: What's wrong with sending patches? |
| 13:32.00 | xzcvczx | dotmef: may as well anything that makes it better is good |
| 13:32.01 | Writchie | the 7.10 mux, libgsm and gsmd are IMH just incomplete and barely workable frameworks. |
| 13:32.05 | alphaone | Okay, gotta go back to work |
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| 13:32.44 | Writchie | the kernel mux doesn't even exist, the code isn't really there |
| 13:32.58 | dotmef | roger. thanks xzcvczx |
| 13:32.59 | mickeyl | please just continue adding patches to bugzilla. this is our memory. |
| 13:33.00 | Dmitry_Platonov | Writchie, is it so? |
| 13:34.35 | mdt | xzcvczx, sorry if it sounds as if i would compain. i'm just irritated that one of the most important features of the neo is so low in priority. specially if i ask if someone is interested in help. question is, how help is wanted, how gsmd is meant to be developed. |
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| 13:35.31 | Writchie | mdt: do not get disheartened |
| 13:35.35 | xzcvczx | mdt: well the power management is really just as important as there is no point in having a fully working phone if its battery only last 4 hrs |
| 13:35.53 | Writchie | mdt: all of these things take time |
| 13:36.19 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03chris * r2747 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (ChangeLog src/today-launcher.c): Fix the focus-on-search in openmoko-today2 launcher |
| 13:36.27 | Writchie | the PM needs a lot of work - but that will get done. |
| 13:36.56 | Dmitry_Platonov | Writchie, what about drivers/char/ts0710_mux.c ? |
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| 13:37.17 | mdt | don't get me wrong (sorry, my english is anything but perfect) but working on gsmd need at least a short discussion about how that was meant to work. some architecture discussion (as if 07.10 goes into the kernel or not)/ |
| 13:37.22 | Writchie | is you look at the code i think you will find that there is nothing there |
| 13:37.33 | Writchie | unless it has just recently been patched |
| 13:38.00 | Dmitry_Platonov | it seems it is commented out, but reason for me is unknown |
| 13:38.16 | Dmitry_Platonov | it's nearly 4k lines |
| 13:38.22 | Writchie | you don't need discussion if everything is done by one person |
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| 13:39.21 | SpeedEvil | You do if it's a core part of the architecture, and the person is not infallible. |
| 13:39.23 | Writchie | mdt: I agree with you. |
| 13:39.29 | Dmitry_Platonov | err, not commented /syntax highlighting tricked me/ |
| 13:39.52 | Writchie | coding is at most 15%- 20% of the effort. |
| 13:39.56 | mdt | Writchie, so you would also work on gsmd? |
| 13:40.10 | Writchie | mdt: yes, i am already |
| 13:40.38 | mdt | Writchie, so what do you do with it? |
| 13:40.40 | Writchie | but i'm not going to code things first - that happens later |
| 13:41.51 | Writchie | i'm defining an d-bus layer by which applications could access all necessary functionality of the mobile terminal |
| 13:42.04 | Writchie | i hope to have that this week for discussion |
| 13:42.06 | mdt | Writchie, can you send me some docs? |
| 13:42.29 | mdt | Writchie, ah, okay. what's your background? you don't work for fic? |
| 13:42.40 | Writchie | i don't work for FIC |
| 13:42.48 | Writchie | i'm retired |
| 13:42.57 | Writchie | sort of |
| 13:43.10 | mdt | Writchie, wow... nice status ;) |
| 13:43.23 | Fatal | FIC depresses me |
| 13:43.35 | mdt | Writchie, so you are also not interested in earning money from fic..? |
| 13:43.36 | Writchie | but i do have code i've written running in hundreds of millions of phones |
| 13:43.44 | rtyler | Fatal: which letters in particular, the F? |
| 13:44.05 | ynezz | Fatal: if it's 'C' take a blue pill |
| 13:45.01 | Fatal | their mad order skills. seems the promised units I ordered were shipped elsewhere during the week they ignored the fact that I had sent in new CC information. *gn* |
| 13:45.05 | mdt | Writchie, and you prefere dbus... ;) |
| 13:45.43 | ossman | gsmd is stuck in some loop, eating 100% CPU |
| 13:45.45 | ossman | known issue? |
| 13:46.10 | Writchie | dbus is there - blueZ uses dbus, dbus appears more than adequate to the task |
| 13:46.15 | Dmitry_Platonov | not working gsmd = known issue. details depend ^_^ |
| 13:46.32 | ossman | Dmitry_Platonov, ok |
| 13:46.40 | Writchie | a definition around dbus does not preclude using similar objects and methods on a different framework |
| 13:46.43 | mdt | Writchie, yes, i like dbus also, but i don't care if its something else and that works. |
| 13:46.43 | ossman | minor feature, it's only a phone after all ;) |
| 13:47.14 | xzcvczx | grrrrr dang the new bb doing qemu since it doesnt compile with gcc4 |
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| 13:49.43 | mdt | Writchie, do you put your ideas on the ml? |
| 13:50.04 | Writchie | some of them |
| 13:50.22 | mickeyl | which one? |
| 13:50.46 | Writchie | gsmd-dev |
| 13:50.50 | mickeyl | ah |
| 13:50.55 | mickeyl | that's the only one i'm not subscribed to |
| 13:52.07 | Writchie | dbus is a bit touchy subject |
| 13:52.18 | mickeyl | is it? can't see why |
| 13:52.25 | mickeyl | it's the standard Linux IPC nowadays |
| 13:52.42 | mickeyl | that doesn't mean it should be the only one |
| 13:52.42 | Writchie | i'm not sure of the reaons why |
| 13:52.48 | mickeyl | but it makes sense for middleware |
| 13:52.57 | Writchie | i agree |
| 13:53.22 | Writchie | what goes on below that layer should be opaque |
| 13:53.22 | mickeyl | i still think gsmd should not depend on it, but gsmd-dbus is a must IMO |
| 13:53.44 | SpeedEvil | In some cases dbus'd be silly. |
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| 13:54.05 | SpeedEvil | One process doing embedded stuff with no UI, that just wants to make calls. |
| 13:54.16 | jgm | D-Bus is definitely the way to go. It's IPC without (a lot of) the hassle |
| 13:54.48 | Writchie | SppedEvil: i'm not so sure the D-Bus isn't appropriate even with no UI |
| 13:54.54 | Writchie | it's pretty lightweight |
| 13:55.06 | SpeedEvil | I more mean 'just one process'. |
| 13:55.21 | Writchie | you already have a bunch of processes |
| 13:55.21 | SpeedEvil | with no need for any IPC at all. |
| 13:55.53 | jgm | But it still needs to negotiate the GSM connection, which implies something arbitrating it, which implies IPC |
| 13:55.53 | jeddy3 | mickeyl, the new efl-related recipes are your work? |
| 13:56.00 | mickeyl | jeddy3: yes |
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| 13:56.28 | SpeedEvil | jgm: True - which does not imply that it must be dbus, rather than standard library calls. |
| 13:56.38 | jeddy3 | mickeyl, have you tried to build the python bindings, python-evas and python-edje? |
| 13:56.57 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973]] [[User_talk:Mateo]] [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Berlin]] [[Neo1973_Battery_Charger]] [[Neo1973_Charging]] [[Talk:Neo1973_Battery_Charger]] [[Today/2007.2]] [[Dialer/2007.2]] [[Contacts/2007.2]] |
| 13:57.18 | mickeyl | jeddy3: yes. they built once for me. there's very much progress, so i expect them to break any time. i'm going to find a set of sane srcdates atm. again |
| 13:57.19 | jgm | Ah, but the point is that it may as well be D-Bus. Standard library calls won't work for arbitration unless they themselves do IPc at which case we're just pushing it down a layer |
| 13:57.33 | Writchie | the present libgsm is an ad-hoc pipe from library to deamon |
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| 13:57.48 | mdt | Writchie, would you provide a client lib as today or just document the dbus-interface? |
| 13:57.51 | jeddy3 | mickeyl, ah ok...they seem to be broken now anyway =) |
| 13:58.03 | jeddy3 | mickeyl, or i have made some mistake... |
| 13:58.04 | mickeyl | jeddy3: yeah. give me a couple of days and they should work again |
| 13:58.11 | jeddy3 | mickeyl, nod |
| 13:58.30 | jeddy3 | mickeyl, oh yeah, they are build from enlightenment cvs right? |
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| 13:58.36 | mdt | Writchie, so if you provide a lib i don't see the need for more discussion. if someone does not like the ipc mechanism used he may replace it |
| 13:58.37 | Writchie | mdt: since d-bus already has bindings for everything, it seems to make sense to just use the dbus objects |
| 13:58.52 | mickeyl | jeddy3: right. this is the source for the breakage. there's no point in using releases for EFL atm. since so much changes |
| 13:59.07 | jeddy3 | mickeyl, no wonder then =) |
| 13:59.21 | AntonTakk | mickeyl: working on getting e17 to run on the neo? |
| 13:59.39 | Writchie | mdt: you're making the assumption that the current libgsm API is architecturally sound. |
| 13:59.52 | mickeyl | AntonTakk: no. to me, the EFL is much more interesting than actual E17 |
| 13:59.59 | mdt | Writchie, no. that's not what i meant |
| 14:00.10 | mdt | Writchie, i have some wishes there also ;) |
| 14:00.10 | jeddy3 | second that, on efl |
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| 14:00.54 | shadoknight | hi |
| 14:01.04 | mdt | Writchie, would you use dbus-signals for gsmd's events? |
| 14:01.13 | Writchie | yes |
| 14:01.14 | shadoknight | so, I've tried everything I can think of, and I'm still having trouble building qemu |
| 14:01.16 | xzcvczx | does anyone know how i can stop qemu being built with openmoko-devel-image |
| 14:01.20 | FuzzyCat | CM: ping |
| 14:01.27 | xzcvczx | shadoknight: your using gcc4? |
| 14:01.28 | CM | FuzzyCat: Pong ;) |
| 14:01.30 | mdt | Writchie, i really would like to see your document.... :D |
| 14:01.33 | shadoknight | yep |
| 14:01.38 | xzcvczx | shadoknight: give up now |
| 14:01.43 | shadoknight | heh |
| 14:01.46 | shadoknight | oh |
| 14:01.47 | shadoknight | no |
| 14:01.48 | mickeyl | you _need_ gcc3 for qemu |
| 14:01.49 | FuzzyCat | know of any good domain registrars in your region |
| 14:01.51 | shadoknight | I mis-read your statement |
| 14:01.54 | mickeyl | don't bother trying w/ 4 |
| 14:01.55 | jgm | xzcvczx: remove it from the dependency list in the makefile? |
| 14:01.56 | AntonTakk | fair enough, thou having efl compiled and working is a big step in getting e17 it's self to build and run |
| 14:01.59 | shadoknight | using 3.4 |
| 14:02.10 | xzcvczx | jgm: which makefile i am running round in circles trying to find it |
| 14:02.15 | xzcvczx | shadoknight: what cpu |
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| 14:02.47 | shadoknight | xzcvczx: core duo |
| 14:02.50 | CM | FuzzyCat: I have two using godaddy, but none are .se |
| 14:02.50 | shadoknight | 32-bit |
| 14:02.51 | mickeyl | ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" |
| 14:03.00 | CM | FuzzyCat: I can ask around :) |
| 14:03.01 | mickeyl | should remove the need for qemu |
| 14:03.09 | jgm | xzcvczx: are you using the new makefile? |
| 14:03.09 | FuzzyCat | please |
| 14:03.18 | xzcvczx | jgm: yes |
| 14:03.42 | shadoknight | xzcvczx: gentoo |
| 14:03.50 | jgm | There's a build-qemu target, I'd imagine that is the one |
| 14:04.19 | xzcvczx | jgm: no if you do make openmoko-devel-image qemu isnt build bitbake is dragging it in as a dependency somewhere |
| 14:04.31 | shadoknight | I even made the soft-link CM recommended, then blew away the entire build space and started with a MokoMakefile current as of yesterday at about 3:00 pm |
| 14:04.39 | xzcvczx | shadoknight: yeah i was able to fix it somehow cant remember how though |
| 14:04.54 | shadoknight | (that is, made '/usr/bin/gcc-3.4' point to exactly the gcc-3.4.6 binary) |
| 14:05.02 | xzcvczx | shadoknight: thought qemu is one of the worst things ever to compile |
| 14:05.06 | shadoknight | ugh |
| 14:05.08 | xzcvczx | shadoknight: type in gcc -l as root |
| 14:05.13 | jgm | xzcvczx: hmm... unfortunately there are compilation errors at current so I can't test it any further than guessing in the makefile |
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| 14:05.27 | shadoknight | is that an l or a 1? |
| 14:05.30 | xzcvczx | lucy |
| 14:05.40 | shadoknight | I get 'argument to -l missing' |
| 14:05.48 | xzcvczx | lol oops |
| 14:05.51 | xzcvczx | gcc-config -l |
| 14:05.53 | xzcvczx | thats the one |
| 14:05.59 | xzcvczx | :S |
| 14:06.20 | shadoknight | milamber ~ # gcc-config -l |
| 14:06.20 | shadoknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.20 | shadoknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.20 | shadoknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.20 | shadoknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.20 | shadoknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.22 | shadoknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.24 | shadoknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.26 | shadoknight | milamber ~ # |
| 14:06.28 | shadoknight | (sorry for the spammage everyone) |
| 14:06.37 | CM | FuzzyCat: I asked around some. Several of my friends use this site: http://www.iis.se/english/index.shtml?lang=en |
| 14:06.58 | xzcvczx | shadoknight: whats your march |
| 14:07.21 | CM | shadoknight: Did you try to freeze the qemu version? |
| 14:07.29 | shadoknight | CFLAGS="-O2 -march=pentium4 -fomit-frame-pointer" |
| 14:07.34 | shadoknight | from /etc/make.conf |
| 14:07.41 | xzcvczx | shadoknight: are you trying to emerge it? |
| 14:07.45 | shadoknight | no |
| 14:07.48 | shadoknight | using MokoMakefile |
| 14:07.57 | CM | xzcvczx: He's x86 |
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| 14:08.10 | shadoknight | I get an error about 'unable to find a register to spill in class 'GENERAL_REGS' |
| 14:08.34 | shadoknight | in ops_sse.h, in function 'op_psrlq_mmx' to be precise ;-) |
| 14:08.41 | CM | shadoknight: Try a make clobber-qemu and then make again |
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| 14:09.14 | shadoknight | cm: did you see that I wiped the entire tree yesterday at about 3:00 and started with only the Makefile all the way up overnight, with the same result? |
| 14:09.23 | shadoknight | (if there's been a change since then, I'll happily start over) |
| 14:09.33 | CM | Hmm.. Not that I know of |
| 14:10.03 | shadoknight | this is perfectly repeatable - it first showed up with the qemu build instructions (from the qemu svn, no MokoMakefile) from the Wiki |
| 14:10.03 | CM | I have PREFERRED_VERSION_qemu-native = "0.9.0+cvs20070701" and SRCDATE_qemu-native = 20070701 in my build/conf/local.conf |
| 14:10.12 | shadoknight | then I tried with mokoMakefile, etc... |
| 14:10.13 | shadoknight | ooh |
| 14:10.15 | shadoknight | that looks helpful |
| 14:10.16 | shadoknight | :) |
| 14:10.53 | shadoknight | (stoopid work) |
| 14:10.54 | shadoknight | :p |
| 14:11.24 | xzcvczx | meh well if thats not it it will be his cflags set up for the package |
| 14:11.36 | xzcvczx | soon as i changed it down to 486 from 686 it worked |
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| 14:13.38 | rtyler | I distinctly remember running 'make' on the Mokomakefile building my rootfs images and such |
| 14:13.52 | rtyler | doesn't seem to want to do that nowadays, anybody know what changed? |
| 14:14.24 | xzcvczx | rtyler: make all? |
| 14:15.26 | CM | or make openmoko-devel-image |
| 14:15.34 | CM | IT's the same isn't it? |
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| 14:16.44 | rtyler | hrm, are the mailing lists down again too? |
| 14:17.22 | xzcvczx | make all does build-qemu as well |
| 14:17.25 | CM | Bah, silence |
| 14:17.27 | CM | :-P |
| 14:17.52 | rtyler | it seems to only be doing qemu builds |
| 14:18.04 | rtyler | ls ls |
| 14:18.06 | rtyler | whoops |
| 14:18.14 | rtyler | this is definitely the wrong terminal >_> |
| 14:18.30 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 14:20.29 | C7_ | rtyler: ;) |
| 14:22.38 | FuzzyCat | thanks CM |
| 14:22.58 | CM | FuzzyCat: Why do you want a swedish registrar? |
| 14:23.35 | xzcvczx | you have to wonder why rtyler is doing "ls ls" |
| 14:24.09 | rtyler | I run a fork of rxvt called "rxvt-female" |
| 14:24.12 | zash_se | swedish whatnow? |
| 14:24.13 | rtyler | I have to always tell it twice :P |
| 14:24.45 | mickeyl | hahaha |
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| 14:32.18 | CM | rtyler: Hehe.. Joke of the day for sure |
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| 14:44.50 | mdt | is there already a way to change cpu frequence on the fly with kernel 2.6.21.6-moko11? |
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| 14:54.55 | rtyler | alright |
| 14:55.07 | rtyler | in 2007.2, who the fuck decided on the super loud robot sounds when it boots? |
| 14:55.22 | dotmef | lol |
| 14:55.33 | CM | Hehe |
| 14:55.34 | ozarka | My daughter loves that sound. |
| 14:55.55 | rtyler | my beleagured, 8am monday morning coworkers don't :)] |
| 14:56.10 | rtyler | now they *know* i'm screwing around and not working |
| 14:56.16 | rtyler | thanks OpenMoko -_- |
| 14:56.40 | CM | rtyler: Just say you got an sms on your new phone |
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| 14:57.09 | rtyler | CM: I work in a software company, not a daycare, these people know what I've got :P |
| 14:57.16 | CM | Hehe |
| 14:57.21 | dotmef | that's a big sms |
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| 14:57.31 | rtyler | I guess I should be glad the sound works now :P |
| 14:57.39 | rtyler | that's the first thing I've *ever* heard from my Neo |
| 14:57.55 | rtyler | CM: working from home again? :P |
| 14:58.05 | CM | rtyler: :-P |
| 14:58.48 | CM | Consultant, sent out to work for Volvo Cars, who are p0wnd by Ford |
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| 14:59.53 | cjb_ie | 20 15:58:45 < Gwilym> BlackBerryCool got a tip that not only was AT&T removing GPS functionality from their version of the BlackBerry 8820, they're doing it so it won't show up the iPhone. |
| 15:00.01 | cjb_ie | interesting how phone markets work |
| 15:00.15 | PBeck | hi |
| 15:01.03 | zash_se | yay, 17:00! end of workday |
| 15:01.54 | _buz | i consider being surrounded mostly by morons to be the natural state |
| 15:01.55 | rtyler | alright, this snapshot is great and all, but how the hell do you turn the sound *off* from the UI O_o |
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| 15:03.52 | rtyler | especially since plugging in the headphones doesn't seem to switch off the speaker >_> |
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| 15:04.18 | CM | rtyler: Use alsamixer maybe? |
| 15:04.38 | rtyler | CM: does that come with a touchscreen interface? :P |
| 15:04.38 | CM | Not that easy with the ui, but should be doable.. |
| 15:05.07 | CM | No, but it works with the onscren keyboard with arrow keys |
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| 15:08.16 | dotmef | night all |
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| 15:13.47 | nox-Hand | Don't spose anyone has successfully gotten OpenMoko running on an E65 (nokia) |
| 15:15.25 | Stephmw | nox-Hand: ain't gonna happen |
| 15:15.45 | Stephmw | nox-Hand: Nokia hw is way too closed |
| 15:16.00 | Stephmw | nox-Hand: excluding the web tablets... and even they have a few closed bits |
| 15:16.21 | nox-Hand | Haha |
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| 15:19.21 | C7_ | rtyler: you're playin with the new snaphot image right? |
| 15:19.30 | C7_ | is gsm workin for you? |
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| 15:21.17 | rtyler | C7_: how would I know? |
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| 15:21.38 | shadoknight | oye |
| 15:21.46 | shadoknight | cm: ok, so, that generated a new and different error |
| 15:21.58 | shadoknight | I did the clobber-qemu, then 'make update && make setup && make all' |
| 15:22.06 | shadoknight | and now it dies with something about 'MAP_32BIT' undeclared |
| 15:22.07 | CM | shadoknight: The fun never ends.. ;) |
| 15:22.10 | shadoknight | of course |
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| 15:22.31 | CM | shadoknight: I've never heard about that error either.. |
| 15:22.31 | shadoknight | so, I'm wondering if the two masks we've got here do more than just affect qemu |
| 15:22.54 | shadoknight | (you know, self-contained build environments are supposed to make this easier...) |
| 15:22.56 | shadoknight | :> |
| 15:23.07 | C7_ | rtyler: ? |
| 15:23.24 | CM | I know, but i don't think it's all that self contained yet, unfortunately |
| 15:23.24 | rtyler | C7_: what should I do to check? are you referring to just making a call or something? |
| 15:23.29 | shadoknight | <nod> |
| 15:23.31 | shadoknight | er |
| 15:23.43 | shadoknight | (old mud habits die hard) |
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| 15:24.49 | CM | shadoknight: I know that all too well ;) |
| 15:24.59 | shadoknight | heh |
| 15:25.26 | C7_ | rtyler: jep.. or like registering to the network |
| 15:25.50 | C7_ | till yesterday it was doing this |
| 15:25.53 | ruoso | hehe |
| 15:25.55 | C7_ | evan made phone calls |
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| 15:28.07 | shadoknight | hmm |
| 15:28.21 | shadoknight | the qemu that is built with 'make all' doesn't seem to be the same as the one built with 'make qemu' |
| 15:29.00 | C7_ | rtyler: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd if you want to give it a try |
| 15:29.27 | shadoknight | hmm |
| 15:30.19 | rtyler | damnit, let me throw my SIM card in there to check it out :P |
| 15:30.27 | CM | shadoknight: I think one is native, and the other one is used when building some arm things (I'm wildly guessing and speculating here) |
| 15:33.30 | shadoknight | cm: yeah - according to the qemu wiki page, the neo version (which is 'make qemu' and also what we get without the mask you've got) has patches to support the actual neo hardware. |
| 15:33.37 | shadoknight | ... |
| 15:34.00 | shadoknight | so, is anyone in this group an expert on the qemu stuff, or are folks here mostly just trial-and-error-and-buy-the-device guys? |
| 15:34.08 | CM | My mask is for qemu-native, since that was what I had trouble with |
| 15:34.14 | shadoknight | hm |
| 15:34.20 | rtyler | C7_: *appears* to have powered up, going to try making a call :P |
| 15:34.54 | shadoknight | 'make all' must make qemu-native, which must be similar to the neo one in the default, because the neo one gives me exactly the same error as the other qemu-native... |
| 15:35.15 | andylockran | hey guys |
| 15:35.22 | rtyler | ahh, there we go |
| 15:35.34 | rtyler | went to power up GSM antenna, and the toolbar crashed |
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| 15:35.48 | mmazur | It's a feature ;) |
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| 15:36.00 | andylockran | http://blog.zrmt.com/?p=42 - there's a funny story if anyone's interested in how I got my neo |
| 15:36.14 | andylockran | rtyler: I've had that same feature |
| 15:36.22 | woglinde | hm |
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| 15:37.33 | tonyg | hi all - are others having trouble with mokomakefile applying bitbake-1.6.6-om3.patch? |
| 15:38.04 | CM | tonyg: Have you updated to the latest makefile? |
| 15:38.30 | tonyg | yep. |
| 15:38.42 | woglinde | adnylockran lol |
| 15:38.43 | tonyg | make update-makefile; make update |
| 15:38.48 | tonyg | and then it fails... |
| 15:39.41 | CM | tonyg: Maybe try make clobber-bitbake ; make update-bitbake |
| 15:40.06 | CM | I'm at bitbake 1.8.9 with the 2007.2 makefile |
| 15:40.25 | tonyg | sorry, forgot to mention I did a make clobber :-/ |
| 15:40.30 | tonyg | hm. |
| 15:40.36 | tonyg | maybe I need to manually download the 2007.2 one? |
| 15:40.46 | tonyg | I'll just paste the output |
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| 15:41.34 | tonyg | o. maybe clobber doesn't depend on clobber-bitbake :-/ |
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| 15:42.47 | tonyg | http://paste.lisp.org/display/46455 |
| 15:44.04 | CM | tonyg: I just finished a build, I'll try doing the same |
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| 15:44.15 | tonyg | thank you. |
| 15:44.44 | andylockran | woglinde: it was a frantic morning |
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| 15:47.23 | CM | tonyg: http://rafb.net/p/ltQxX224.html |
| 15:47.27 | CM | No problems.. |
| 15:47.58 | tonyg | terrifying. |
| 15:48.17 | tonyg | i shall hunt down and delete the 1.6.6 patch and maybe its parent directories... |
| 15:49.39 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2748 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (include/gsmd/usock.h src/util/shell.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:49.39 | CIA-20 | openmoko: remove 'struct llist_head' from phonebook messages because |
| 15:49.39 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * pointer in data structures passed along sockets is a bad idea, if that socket |
| 15:49.39 | CIA-20 | openmoko: is later a network socket and the pointer size of both ends is different |
| 15:49.39 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * we cannot include linux_list.h into libgsmd, since libgsmd is LGPL and |
| 15:49.43 | CIA-20 | openmoko: linux_list.h GPL licensed |
| 15:49.46 | CIA-20 | openmoko: libgsmd and gsmd are actually not using that list header, only the shell |
| 15:49.59 | tonyg | CM, thanks for your help. blowing away ./patches cleared up the problem. |
| 15:50.10 | CM | tonyg: Ah, nice :) |
| 15:50.30 | tonyg | now I only have several hours of building ahead of me :-) |
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| 15:52.20 | rtyler | tonyg: look at it in a positive light, you have several hours to nap, read a book, or iron clothes |
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| 15:53.07 | tonyg | *glee* |
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| 15:54.25 | mmazur | Count sheep. |
| 15:54.33 | rtyler | baaaaaaah |
| 15:55.05 | mmazur | That's one. |
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| 15:57.17 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Dcorking]] [[GUI_Style_Guidelines]] [[Today/2007.2]] [[Main_Page]] [[Applications]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Contacts/2007.2]] [[Dialer/2007.2]] [[Screen_Shots]] [[Talk:Screen_Grabber]] [[Screen_Grabber]] [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973]] |
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| 16:04.35 | josch | does anyone know why 2007.2 no longer runs calibration on first startup? |
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| 16:20.46 | tonyg | any thoughts on whether a folding bluetooth keyboard might be a useful thing to use with the Neo? |
| 16:21.00 | tonyg | ...and whether it'd be easy to configure...? |
| 16:21.04 | mdt | tonyg, i would like to have one... |
| 16:21.31 | mdt | tonyg, but the nice ones are too expensive i think |
| 16:22.11 | CM | tonyg: I'm sure it's really easy to configure, as long as it's a standard bluetooth hid |
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| 16:22.45 | mjr | tonyg, I've a squeeze-on mini keypad; was easy to configure (just start bt, run hidd --connect address) |
| 16:22.46 | tonyg | I haven't experimented with bluetooth on my neo yet. is it more-or-less working, or work-in-progress? |
| 16:22.51 | tonyg | mjr, cool |
| 16:23.07 | mjr | bluetooth is one of the things that work fine |
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| 16:23.19 | mjr | (though no wakeup-on-bt, as has been noted) |
| 16:23.31 | CM | mjr: Can the panel bluetooth thing do anything? |
| 16:23.50 | rtyler | CM: it can be clicked and ignore it ^_^ |
| 16:23.50 | mjr | CM, haven't noticed :] |
| 16:24.24 | CM | rtyler: That's what I've noticed too. Only the gsm pic has a menu |
| 16:24.34 | CM | Not even the battery icon shows any status |
| 16:24.40 | CM | Yet, I guess. |
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| 16:25.03 | rtyler | CM: this is along the lines of what the bluetooth panel app does: http://bash.org/?240849 |
| 16:25.03 | mjr | somebody here mentioned having done a bt on/off panel applet, with plans to extend |
| 16:25.06 | mjr | don't recall any more |
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| 16:25.31 | CM | rtyler: Access denied by WebWasher DynaBLocator content category. The requested URL belongs to the following category: Erotic and Sex. |
| 16:25.37 | rtyler | LOL! |
| 16:25.58 | rtyler | CM: repasted |
| 16:25.58 | rtyler | http://pastebin.ca/664515 |
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| 16:26.40 | CM | rtyler: Hehe |
| 16:26.42 | CM | Thanks |
| 16:27.52 | rtyler | that's what I think of when I think of just about everything in the top panel |
| 16:29.26 | CM | rtyler: Until the panel dies I presume ;) |
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| 16:39.51 | tonyg | argh. it's downloading me a copy of linux-2.6.20. And my internets are very slow today. Must be junk in the tubes. |
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| 16:42.06 | CM | tonyg: It build with linux-2.6.21.5-r3 for me |
| 16:42.27 | tonyg | Oh no! Even a make update clearly didn't :-) |
| 16:42.44 | tonyg | ah well. I'm happy with a mostly-working build, since I'm just trying to work on a single app. (squeak smalltalk) |
| 16:43.15 | CM | Are you sure you're building 2007.2 and not .1? |
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| 16:43.32 | tonyg | not really. i have probably missed an important instruction somewhere. |
| 16:43.50 | tonyg | how can I check? |
| 16:44.16 | CM | Look in the Makefile |
| 16:44.35 | CM | My first non-comment row says OPENMOKO_GENERATION = 2007.2 |
| 16:45.14 | tonyg | me too |
| 16:45.19 | tonyg | um, my first comment row |
| 16:45.26 | tonyg | all my friends are securely settled presently. |
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| 16:51.48 | torpor | can someone tell me how i can get a global 'list' of tasks from the Makefile? so i can tell what comes ahead of me (task 2075 of 3042) .. |
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| 17:00.32 | jipi | hi. can i use sjf2410 to unbrick the neo? |
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| 17:04.55 | jipi | how come the sjf2410 tries to open a parallel port device only? |
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| 17:06.47 | jipi | gosh.. i just looked at the code of sjf2410. it only interfaces with a parallel port! |
| 17:07.19 | rtyler | jipi: check the wiki for "devirginator" |
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| 17:09.56 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2749 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-gsm.c): |
| 17:09.56 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-20 Stefan Schmidt <stefan@openmoko.org> |
| 17:09.57 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/openmoko-panel-gsm.c: |
| 17:09.57 | CIA-20 | openmoko: (mb_panel_applet_create): |
| 17:09.57 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Use the right items for the signals. |
| 17:11.11 | jipi | rtyler: thanks. its a long one. |
| 17:12.42 | tonyg | I'm curious: I got the plain vanilla neo, sans debug board; if I happened to brick mine, would I be able to go visit someone who had a debug board and devirginate my handset? |
| 17:13.50 | torpor | yup |
| 17:15.05 | tonyg | good to know, thanks :-) |
| 17:15.16 | rtyler | if you have somebody within reach of course ;) |
| 17:15.29 | torpor | is it safe to do update-makefile in te midst of a build? |
| 17:15.47 | torpor | (build was stopped mid- i mean) |
| 17:16.10 | tonyg | indeed. hey, anyone else in London? :-) |
| 17:16.16 | tonyg | (don't worry, I've not bricked it - yet) |
| 17:16.26 | mjr | hmh, when I try to connect to uBoot console, it goes "cu: open (/dev/ttyACM0): Permission denied\ncu: /dev/ttyACM0: Line in use" |
| 17:16.31 | torpor | i'm hoping i'm going to be able to brick mine soon .. |
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| 17:16.57 | jipi | torpor: write some garbage to the u-boot section. u'll brick it. |
| 17:17.19 | torpor | i hope i can write a new image .. ;) |
| 17:17.23 | fgau | mjr: try chgrp root /dev/ttyACM0 |
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| 17:18.14 | mjr | fgau, weird. That did it. |
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| 17:20.38 | mjr | 5 bad blocks in the nand of the phone, 5 bad blocks in the nand, burn one out, mark out of band, 6 bad blocks in the nand of the phone |
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| 17:26.11 | rtyler | jipi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_London |
| 17:26.38 | rtyler | jipi: I'm trying to get people to make tables like ours in SF: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco |
| 17:26.45 | rtyler | icons &stuff :P |
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| 17:27.21 | pH5 | that reminds me. roh, count me in on thursday. |
| 17:27.42 | pH5 | rtyler: you should add an icon for debug boards ;) |
| 17:28.38 | Writchie | pH5: yes |
| 17:29.23 | cw666 | rtyler: there are more SF people about than on that list, i know of three personally |
| 17:29.32 | rtyler | cw666: get them on the list |
| 17:29.37 | rtyler | and get them to buy me beerz! |
| 17:29.53 | cw666 | rtyler: (1) they might not want to be on the list (2) why would they buy you beer? |
| 17:29.56 | rtyler | pH5: got an idea of a good image for the debug board? besides maybe a black lunchbox? |
| 17:30.09 | rtyler | cw666: because I sez so for both! ;) |
| 17:30.43 | cw666 | rtyler: didnt you learn in kindergarten that just because you want something to be true doesn't necessarily mean it is? |
| 17:31.01 | pH5 | rtyler: a brick! |
| 17:31.18 | pH5 | seriously, no idea :) |
| 17:31.19 | Writchie | with a red not symbol thru it |
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| 17:32.10 | Writchie | maybe blood tranfusion |
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| 17:36.32 | jipi | rtyler:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Singapore |
| 17:39.09 | rtyler | jipi: is that you O_o |
| 17:39.50 | jipi | rtyler: yes. that's me. |
| 17:40.06 | rtyler | oh, was getting you mixed with the chap from London :P |
| 17:40.17 | cw666 | rtyler: where in SF are you? |
| 17:40.30 | rtyler | cw666: I live and work downtown, 2nd and Howard right now :P |
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| 17:41.49 | jipi | rtyler: oops. ok. |
| 17:42.07 | rtyler | jipi: do you have a debug board? |
| 17:43.18 | rtyler | pH5: I have a good image for the 'Has Debug Board;' column, but nobody to modify :P |
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| 17:43.36 | jipi | rtyler: yes, i have. going thru the devirginator instructions now |
| 17:43.46 | mmazur | Just don't be a brute. |
| 17:43.56 | rtyler | woot, mind if I update your listing on the local group jipi? |
| 17:44.09 | jipi | rtyler: of cos not. |
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| 17:51.08 | rtyler | jipi: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Singapore can't get more straight-forward than that |
| 17:52.32 | jipi | rtyler: hahahah.. i like the lunch box. |
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| 17:58.17 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Singapore]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Berlin]] [[User:Kresp0]] [[Wishlist]] [[WishList]] [[Wishlist:Ignore_Call_Button]] [[MokoMakefile]] [[Contacts/2007]] [[Main_Page/kr]] [[Ts_calibrate]] [[User:Dcorking]] and other changes |
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| 18:06.24 | rtyler | FWIW, I added the "wiki codes" to the local groups page |
| 18:09.32 | torpor | NOTE: Update svn://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork;module=sounds;proto=http |
| 18:09.35 | torpor | svn: Working copy '.' locked |
| 18:10.19 | torpor | to where is openmoko-sound-theme-standard_vn going to be unpacking its work dir? how can i find out, someone know? |
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| 18:17.18 | mickey|groceries | $SOURCE_DIR/svn/<packagename> |
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| 18:17.32 | rtyler | hehe, nice nick mickey :P |
| 18:18.47 | mickey|groceries | oops |
| 18:19.21 | mickeyl | to whomever asked... python-evas should now build again in org.oe.dev. still unbreaking python-ecore and -edje thogh |
| 18:19.44 | jeddy3|Zzz | mickeyl, ok, nice |
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| 18:19.58 | mjr | hmh, python-subprocess on buildhost depends on nonexistant python-fcntl |
| 18:19.59 | mickeyl | ah right - that was you |
| 18:20.08 | jeddy3 | mickeyl, :) |
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| 18:20.42 | mickeyl | mjr: oh yes, irritatingly the buildhost builds not all python subpackages. i suspect this is due to x86_64 |
| 18:21.14 | mickeyl | i can upload that package for you if you need it |
| 18:21.22 | mickeyl | but i'd rather like to fix the cause |
| 18:21.27 | mickeyl | (which may take longer) |
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| 18:21.46 | mjr | no hurry for that |
| 18:21.59 | mjr | I'll just use old-style os.popen |
| 18:22.02 | rtyler | mickeyl: do you know if mailman is broke again? |
| 18:22.37 | mickeyl | rtyler: no idea. it's 02:22 in taipei |
| 18:22.47 | rtyler | is that where mailman lives/ |
| 18:22.58 | rtyler | oh it's totally down then :P |
| 18:22.58 | mickeyl | no, but where the interim-admin is atm. |
| 18:23.09 | mickeyl | in few weeks we have a new full-time admin |
| 18:23.49 | mickeyl | i might even have admin rights to the mailserver |
| 18:23.58 | mickeyl | but i have no idea what to do once i log in :D |
| 18:25.03 | mickeyl | hmm, no. |
| 18:25.05 | mickeyl | no rights |
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| 18:31.15 | rtyler | mickeyl: it's so obvious: rm -rf /* |
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| 19:02.49 | J-23 | Good night! |
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| 19:15.24 | dcordes | hi |
| 19:15.57 | dcordes | hi |
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| 19:16.51 | zash_se | ya'hello |
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| 19:17.18 | speerschleuder | hello ph5 |
| 19:17.33 | pH5 | hi speerschleuder |
| 19:17.57 | speerschleuder | pH5, for this week, until sunday, i'm away on company bussines |
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| 19:18.12 | speerschleuder | ph5 so you will be on your one ;o) |
| 19:18.35 | pH5 | speerschleuder: hehe, ok :) |
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| 19:22.35 | speerschleuder | pH5, the only sunshine is, that i meet a college friend on saturdqy ;-) |
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| 19:23.04 | speerschleuder | pH5, could you come to the other #? |
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| 19:28.26 | hhf423 | amazing, nothing new in the world |
| 19:29.42 | speerschleuder | hhf423, maybe for you |
| 19:29.53 | hhf423 | hahaha |
| 19:30.21 | torpor | svn: Directory 'trunk/src/target/OM-2007/.svn' containing working copy admin area is missing |
| 19:30.31 | torpor | ^^ anyway to recreate it locally without having to rebuild? |
| 19:32.45 | speerschleuder | hhf423, when i blink with my eyes i see dozens of interessting things which are worth investigating for |
| 19:33.46 | hhf423 | speerschleuder: I need the drugs you have :-) |
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| 19:36.52 | speerschleuder | hhf423, the drug is called "engineer" and makes you want to analyse all around you and break it into parts for further studies |
| 19:37.00 | torpor | anyone got sounds_svn.openmoko.org_.trunk.src.target.OM-2007.artwork__20070820.tar.gz |
| 19:37.27 | hhf423 | speerschleuder: ah. that one. it wars off, believe me. |
| 19:37.35 | hhf423 | knowledge brings fear |
| 19:37.56 | speerschleuder | normaly knowledge brings me into trouble... |
| 19:37.57 | hhf423 | wars off/wears off |
| 19:39.20 | hhf423 | whoo, laptops are becoming quite cheap now |
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| 19:40.08 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03alphaone * r2750 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokogsmd2/ (ChangeLog libmokogsmd/moko-gsmd-connection.c): |
| 19:40.08 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-20 Daniel Willmann <daniel@totalueberwachung.de> |
| 19:40.08 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * libmokogsmd/moko-gsmd-connection.c: |
| 19:40.08 | CIA-20 | openmoko: (moko_gsmd_connection_network_register): |
| 19:40.08 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Change the parameter of lgsm_netreg_register to reflect the changes in |
| 19:40.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: libgsmd. (fixes a segfault) |
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| 19:41.12 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.22 | mickeyl | jeddy3|Zzz: NOTE: package python-edje-0.1.1+cvs20070819: completed |
| 19:41.38 | mickeyl | NOTE: package python-ecore-0.1.1+cvs20070819: completed |
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| 19:42.39 | stefan_schmidt | ~praise alphaone for gsm work |
| 19:42.39 | apt | All hail alphaone for gsm work! |
| 19:42.50 | alphaone | heh |
| 19:43.01 | mickeyl | NOTE: package python-emotion-0.1.1+cvs20070820: completed |
| 19:43.15 | mickeyl | no idea whether all that stuff works, but feel free to experiment now that it's on buildhost. |
| 19:43.24 | BlackBsd | is it possible to use xen opposed to qemu? |
| 19:43.30 | alphaone | And off to fixing the next problem |
| 19:43.53 | mickeyl | alphaone: yay! |
| 19:45.23 | BlackBsd | wow, after some time, i got a gcc3x compiler slotted, and qemu is building correctly.. |
| 19:47.11 | bkruse | BlackBsd: building qemu from scratch? :/ |
| 19:47.23 | BlackBsd | yep |
| 19:47.31 | BlackBsd | almost done |
| 19:47.49 | BlackBsd | gentoo is great for building from scratch |
| 19:48.05 | BlackBsd | figuring out how to use the program is anothertopic |
| 19:50.33 | frma | Is there a better way to update the openmoko stuff in a build, then manually running mrproper,fetch and rebuild on each openmoko-package ? |
| 19:51.20 | BlackBsd | that mproper stuff is from autotools? |
| 19:51.54 | frma | I still get the smd/usock.h:5:31: error: common/linux_list.h: No such file or directory |
| 19:51.54 | frma | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.07 | torpor | can someone please look at this: |
| 19:52.07 | torpor | http://rafb.net/p/5cmcjm65.html |
| 19:52.32 | torpor | and tell me what you think i ought to do? i'm trying to 'svn cleeanup', but i don't know where this lock is located in the openmoko build tree .. |
| 19:53.28 | frma | topor: I'd try bitbake -cmrproper openmoko-sound-theme-standard |
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| 19:54.11 | ScaredyCat | it's not you torpor |
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| 19:54.52 | mickeyl | didn't i already answer to that? |
| 19:54.53 | ScaredyCat | one of the devs |
| 19:55.09 | ScaredyCat | dunno... |
| 19:55.13 | rtyler | frma: that bit of code was recently cleaned up IIRC |
| 19:55.24 | mickeyl | *shrug* |
| 19:55.30 | rtyler | (cleaned up meaning code removed because of licensing) |
| 19:55.32 | mickeyl | rm -rf $SOURCE_DIR/svn/<package> |
| 19:55.35 | ScaredyCat | I didn;t see it mickeyl ... |
| 19:55.40 | ScaredyCat | sorry |
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| 19:56.16 | mickeyl | bbiab, need a break |
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| 19:57.20 | torpor | ok |
| 19:57.21 | torpor | thnks |
| 19:57.33 | torpor | probelm is i removed an .svn dir when i probably shouldn't have .. |
| 19:57.37 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[SWAG]] [[User:Aztlek]] [[GUI_Style_Guidelines]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] [[MokoMakefile/es]] [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Vienna]] [[Neo1973_Hardware]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 19:58.51 | frma | rtyler: I don't follow linux_list.h is still part of gsmd, but doesn't make it to staging ? |
| 19:59.39 | speerschleuder | bye |
| 19:59.54 | rtyler | frma: |
| 19:59.56 | rtyler | 11:49 < CIA-20> openmoko: laforge * r2748 /trunk/src/target/gsm/ (include/gsmd/usock.h src/util/shell.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 19:59.59 | rtyler | 11:49 < CIA-20> openmoko: remove 'struct llist_head' from phonebook messages because |
| 20:00.02 | rtyler | 11:49 < CIA-20> openmoko: * pointer in data structures passed along sockets is a bad idea, if that socket |
| 20:00.05 | rtyler | 11:49 < CIA-20> openmoko: is later a network socket and the pointer size of both ends is different |
| 20:00.08 | rtyler | 11:49 < CIA-20> openmoko: * we cannot include linux_list.h into libgsmd, since libgsmd is LGPL and |
| 20:00.11 | rtyler | 11:49 < CIA-20> openmoko: linux_list.h GPL licensed |
| 20:00.12 | rtyler | let laforge know if you still experience breakage |
| 20:00.14 | rtyler | 11:49 < CIA-20> openmoko: libgsmd and gsmd are actually not using that list header, only the shell |
| 20:00.29 | pH5 | yesyesyes |
| 20:00.40 | rtyler | pH5: ? |
| 20:00.56 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: So you can revert the OE nad_aid :) |
| 20:00.59 | stefan_schmidt | ban even |
| 20:01.29 | torpor | what should i do - i've just accidentally deleted the openmoko/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2 and openmoko/trunk/src/target/OM-2007 subdirectories .. how do i re-build these? |
| 20:01.54 | morten_ | Sorry to bust in, but i've got a question: I've made a key board app for the Neo, http://finger-keyboard.projects.openmoko.org/ It's written in python and requires pygtk. How do i make this a openMoko compitable app? |
| 20:02.01 | stefan_schmidt | torpor: svn up in target/ again? |
| 20:02.06 | ScaredyCat | go to the top of the openmoko tree and type : svn update |
| 20:02.14 | torpor | ok thanks |
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| 20:02.47 | torpor | wasn't sure of that was possible or not .. |
| 20:03.03 | frma | rtyler: tnx |
| 20:03.06 | stefan_schmidt | morten_: You can use python and pygtk in OpenMoko, as all other languages, too. |
| 20:03.11 | torpor | <-- a bit confused about the openmoko / openembedded dirs and how they get populated .. |
| 20:03.18 | stefan_schmidt | morten_: There are also python bindings for the openmoko libs |
| 20:03.19 | rtyler | MAGIC! |
| 20:03.28 | ScaredyCat | openmoko is just svn |
| 20:03.55 | torpor | but how is it then that openmoko-base-soundsbb got messed up in that dir then? |
| 20:04.27 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.48 | torpor | i am using the Makefile .. guess i should've noticed that revert. |
| 20:04.51 | ScaredyCat | the .bb file is int here ? |
| 20:04.55 | morten_ | stefan_schmidt, Oh.. seems like what i really need is to get some emulation of the neo up and going. But i've tried the guides around and i can't get it to work. None of the emulation packages will compile to my x86_64 arch :( |
| 20:06.29 | stefan_schmidt | morten_: :( |
| 20:06.45 | stefan_schmidt | morten_: Never tried on my x86_64 system as I have neos around |
| 20:07.00 | morten_ | stefan_schmidt, You're a dev? |
| 20:07.21 | ScaredyCat | personally I want to know who ed is and why he wants his dbus on my machine :P |
| 20:07.35 | stefan_schmidt | morten_: jup |
| 20:07.52 | alphaone | ScaredyCat: lol |
| 20:09.09 | gavin8or | Hey guys funny question, my friend found a SIM card in a phone he pulled out of a fire |
| 20:09.18 | gavin8or | But AT+CNUM=? gives me an error |
| 20:09.26 | gavin8or | Does that mean that the SIM is no longer usable? |
| 20:09.37 | ynezz | it's burned! |
| 20:09.44 | ynezz | !ombug 666 |
| 20:09.46 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 666, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 20:09.47 | cdbot2 | * * steven.demetrius(AT)fiwwi.com: 3G SIM capability |
| 20:09.48 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 |
| 20:09.50 | morten_ | stefan_schmidt, Cool, i'm just a 17 year old studen in Norway, but when i heard of OpenMoko it really kicked me off! I wanted to make something the neo could need so i'm doing the best i can to make a good, fast and finger-less keyboard sulotion. |
| 20:09.52 | BlackBsd | so if i have qemu already on the pc, because my package manager installed it for me, do i still have to make qemu? |
| 20:10.07 | ynezz | gavin8or: read the bugzilla... |
| 20:10.25 | stefan_schmidt | morten_: Great. We like to get people interested to show us what is possible |
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| 20:11.52 | gavin8or | Thanks ynezz, cellOne doesn't use G3 does it? |
| 20:11.52 | morten_ | stefan_schmidt, But i have to get that emul going to get anywhere now =S Would be so much nicer to use the openeMoko api than gtk |
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| 20:12.34 | ScaredyCat | at+cfun=1 gavin8or? |
| 20:12.44 | ScaredyCat | AT+cops? |
| 20:12.52 | morten_ | Anyone here know how to emulate the moko. I'm a little green on this =S |
| 20:13.12 | BlackBsd | you have to use qemu |
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| 20:13.27 | gavin8or | I get an error when trying to register (COPS) |
| 20:13.36 | stefan_schmidt | morten_: qemu on x86_64 |
| 20:15.02 | gavin8or | AT+CIMI |
| 20:15.02 | gavin8or | 262011230058835 |
| 20:15.06 | morten_ | stefan_schmidt, You've got a howto.. *blush |
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| 20:15.18 | gavin8or | So it seems like I can read the SIM |
| 20:16.04 | hhf423 | hmm, the latest snapshot seems to be not better that the last one |
| 20:17.00 | BlackBsd | anyone having errors running make setup? |
| 20:17.18 | BlackBsd | applying patch git.py |
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| 20:20.39 | Ghiottone | hi all |
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| 20:24.19 | Stephmw | evenin' |
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| 20:27.53 | Antioh | here is spiking russian. I badly speak on english |
| 20:28.12 | stefan_schmidt | morten_: Sorry, no. Never used the emulator. *caught* |
| 20:29.01 | morten_ | Antioh, As long as we understand, it's good enough |
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| 20:29.26 | morten_ | stefan_schmidt, It's ok, i think i found somthing in the wiki, building now |
| 20:29.37 | stefan_schmidt | morten_: good |
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| 20:30.26 | Antioh | Somebody in a rate. The phase 2 will leave in September or October |
| 20:30.37 | torpor | okay now its libmokogsmd2 thats failing http://rafb.net/p/JrakAI65.html |
| 20:30.53 | josch_ | just wanted to ask: there are some people in this chan I know about - I mean, that I know that they do some important stuff for the openmoko project - la f0rge and mickeyl are very famous but where can I get to know others who do a lot for the project? |
| 20:31.09 | torpor | josch_: lurk in the channel a while. |
| 20:31.21 | torpor | lots of guys come and go |
| 20:31.49 | Antioh | As at him(it) will be with localization, or itself it is necessary to do(make) (as nokia 770 or motorola a1200) |
| 20:31.52 | pH5 | torpor: rebuild libgsmd |
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| 20:32.21 | pH5 | there is a band-aid for this in OE, but it is already fixed upstream, and should be automatically pulled beginning from tomorrow, 0:00h (UTC) |
| 20:33.01 | torpor | pH5: so thats bitbake -crebuild libgsmd right? |
| 20:33.26 | stefan_schmidt | torpor: yes |
| 20:33.47 | torpor | not working .. |
| 20:34.02 | ScaredyCat | cd build ; . ../setup-env ; bitbake -c rebuild libgsmd |
| 20:34.30 | stefan_schmidt | torpor: You of course updated the OE metadata to get the fix |
| 20:34.48 | morten_ | stefan_schmidt, Sorry to bug you, but is there somthing equivalent to the gtk.eventBox in the openmoko API? |
| 20:34.50 | torpor | i don't think i did .. |
| 20:35.11 | stefan_schmidt | torpor: Would be good. :) |
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| 20:35.26 | stefan_schmidt | morten_: hmm, don't know offhand |
| 20:35.50 | morten_ | stefan_schmidt, Ok, don't bother cheking it up, there probably is |
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| 20:37.28 | BlackBsd | anyone getting errors like Patch patches/bitbake-1.6.6-om3.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) |
| 20:37.46 | BlackBsd | im doing a make setup |
| 20:39.00 | torpor | NOTE: Running task 2258 of 3392 (ID: 1834, /home/j/hak/openmoko/openembedded/packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.6.bb, do_compile) |
| 20:39.11 | torpor | how to get a list of all tasks in total, so i can see whats on the horizon? |
| 20:39.16 | morten_ | Bah =/ getting this: "U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up." when i try to run the flash.sh script. anyone know whats wrong? |
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| 20:46.01 | morten_ | Getting this error trying to run qemu: http://pastebin.com/d3fe27638 |
| 20:46.16 | Aria | Dude! I got my phone while I was on vacation! |
| 20:46.47 | morten_ | Lucky =D |
| 20:47.13 | Aria | Effin' sweet stylus, too. Man. |
| 20:47.55 | mmazur | And nothing works! Woman :) |
| 20:48.17 | morten_ | Haha XD |
| 20:48.41 | Aria | Except the screen. Which is beyond pretty. |
| 20:48.56 | morten_ | How big is it? |
| 20:49.11 | morten_ | I know 2.8" but how big does it feel? |
| 20:49.22 | mmazur | Erm. |
| 20:49.27 | mmazur | Taken out of context... |
| 20:49.28 | Aria | Thick. |
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| 20:49.39 | Aria | But pleasant for my middle-sized hands. |
| 20:49.55 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: BT module appears to consume 30ma from the USB supply. probably 30ma at 4V from the battery or 120mw - ugh |
| 20:49.56 | morten_ | Hehe, compared to eg a sony walkman phone |
| 20:49.58 | Aria | And if it ever breaks, it'll be exceedingly pleasant to hurl too. |
| 20:50.14 | Aria | (I'm actually comparing to an iPhone and my Samsung SGH-T509) |
| 20:50.18 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: it appears two linear regulators between the bat and the 1.8V power supply to the BT chip. |
| 20:50.43 | morten_ | =) Think you can edit text with a vimlike app? |
| 20:51.05 | morten_ | Or surf ordinary webpages? |
| 20:51.08 | Aria | With really good eyes and a liking of hunt-and-peck with a stylus, sure. |
| 20:51.37 | Aria | The screen is certainly adequate for ordinary web pages, if one does it iPhone style and zoom a lot. (shame no multitouch for that, Apple got that one right) |
| 20:51.45 | gavin8or | Ok I can't find anywhere on the internet or the wiki that says what AT+CIMI does |
| 20:51.49 | Aria | But it's no WAP device. |
| 20:51.55 | gavin8or | It that just printing the serial of the SIM? |
| 20:52.25 | morten_ | Hehe.. Oh, i'm looking so much forward to I get mine.. It's just that i have to wait for the gta02 as my student pocketbook cant afford two phones |
| 20:52.50 | morten_ | Aria, No, i mean wifi and usual computerpages |
| 20:52.52 | Aria | gavin8or: Yeah -- the IMSI |
| 20:53.07 | Writchie | gavin8or: CIMI gives you the IMSI for the phone International Subscriber Identity |
| 20:53.28 | gavin8or | oh ok how can you find out if it is deactivated or not? |
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| 20:53.37 | Aria | morten_: Yeah, with wifi, it'd certainly be usable for many many tasks. |
| 20:53.48 | morten_ | *drool |
| 20:54.10 | Writchie | what do you mean deactivated |
| 20:54.21 | gavin8or | Can't SIM cards get deactivated or something? |
| 20:54.51 | Writchie | just try to register with the network |
| 20:54.59 | gavin8or | I'm just ready to flush everything down the toilet here (not really) cause the SIM card seems to be fully responsive but I can't register with the network at all |
| 20:55.26 | gavin8or | AT+COPS |
| 20:55.26 | gavin8or | ERROR |
| 20:55.43 | Ghiottone | is somebody getting an error on building perl-native? |
| 20:56.02 | gavin8or | AT+COPS=? |
| 20:56.02 | gavin8or | OK |
| 20:56.14 | gavin8or | Which is just mocking me :) |
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| 20:57.33 | Aria | Ghiottone: Yes. |
| 20:57.39 | Aria | Ghiottone: Not sure why yet either |
| 20:58.31 | Ghiottone | does it prints out quilt's usage and stops? |
| 20:58.43 | Aria | Nope. |
| 20:58.46 | pH5 | gavin8or: try AT+COPS=0, the standard says it needs the parameter |
| 20:58.48 | Writchie | gavin8or: means you are not receiving |
| 20:58.56 | Aria | Was gonna try again when I get my vacation finished here. |
| 20:59.18 | Writchie | gavin8or: where are you located |
| 20:59.23 | gavin8or | Writchie, you're saying that I just don't have signal? *blushes* |
| 20:59.55 | gavin8or | in my cabin, people with CellOne can talk from in here |
| 21:00.09 | Writchie | what country? |
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| 21:00.15 | gavin8or | USA |
| 21:03.41 | Writchie | gavin8or: cellular AFAIK is a mixed TDMA and GSM network, probably 850 gsm only where its installed |
| 21:04.06 | Writchie | AFAIK no one has reported a successful connection to GSM850 with the neo |
| 21:04.22 | gavin8or | Yeah I asked my neighbor and he said GSM was great in the area |
| 21:05.21 | Writchie | GSM can be great on 850 and unusable on 1900 |
| 21:05.28 | gavin8or | How do I know if the tower is GSM850 or 1900? |
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| 21:06.06 | Writchie | its hard to know, depending on how many carriers are on it |
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| 21:06.49 | gavin8or | 1 carrier |
| 21:07.31 | Writchie | are there two rows of antenna. |
| 21:08.45 | Writchie | the antennas are normally in a triangle (looking from the air) in 120 degrees |
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| 21:09.40 | Writchie | gavin8or: is this a prepaid SIM by any chance? |
| 21:10.47 | gavin8or | yes it is |
| 21:11.02 | Writchie | have you activated it on any phone |
| 21:11.15 | gavin8or | Yeah on this particular tower I know there is only 1 carrier |
| 21:11.25 | gavin8or | yeah i have on the free nokia they gave me |
| 21:11.42 | Writchie | it works from your location on the nokia |
| 21:12.44 | Writchie | what model nokia |
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| 21:17.05 | gavin8or | nokia 1600 |
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| 21:17.17 | gavin8or | I just put the SIM card into it and called my landine with it |
| 21:17.33 | gavin8or | but i noticed i had to go upstairs to get a full 2 bars |
| 21:19.11 | Writchie | any dash number on the model like 1600 - 4 |
| 21:20.22 | Writchie | since it works, it is most likely an 850/1900 and it may be working only on the 850 at your location. |
| 21:20.41 | gavin8or | yes on the inside of the phone it says 1600 b |
| 21:20.44 | Writchie | like I said before, no-one has yet confirmed that the gta01 actually works on gsm 850 |
| 21:21.28 | gavin8or | Yes it's a 1600B and it's a dual mode |
| 21:21.43 | gavin8or | is there anyway i can find out with the nokia what band I'm on? |
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| 21:22.35 | Writchie | not afaik |
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| 21:26.00 | jgm | I suspect that this is a silly question but is there a library or some other part of openmoko that has a list of countries and their dialing codes? |
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| 21:27.46 | Ghiottone | it seems as quilt cannot patch anymore |
| 21:29.01 | jgm | Ghiottone: are you using mokomakefile? |
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| 21:33.52 | Ghiottone | yes |
| 21:34.56 | gavin8or | Crap I think Dobson (the guys that provide CellOne coverage here) only does 850 in these here parts |
| 21:35.13 | jgm | It doesn't work with patching at current, I suspect that rwhitby will fix it tomorrow |
| 21:35.14 | gavin8or | Probably because they get better range and propagation out of the lower frequencies? anyways it sucks for me :( |
| 21:35.21 | Ghiottone | now I'm trying with an older version of bitbake, it seems that it has been updated today |
| 21:35.27 | Ghiottone | oh |
| 21:35.38 | Ghiottone | where exactly is the problem? |
| 21:36.12 | jgm | He removed the patching code from mokomakefile because for most users (i.e. those that don't have their own patches) it slowed things down |
| 21:36.27 | jgm | He put in a new system but it doesn't quite work yet |
| 21:36.33 | Ghiottone | I hate to have to wait tomorrow as in office we have a proxy and the makefile doesn't work |
| 21:36.41 | Ghiottone | ah I see. |
| 21:36.45 | gavin8or | from phonesforums.com: "Cellular One (Dobson) is deploying a LOT of 850. In fact, the northern half of Wisconsin and all of Upper Michigan is 850 only" |
| 21:37.02 | jgm | Ghiottone: it shouldn't make any difference to the build, only difference is that it won't add any patches that you have added yourself |
| 21:37.04 | gavin8or | If anyone on here is trying to make 850 work, please email me! |
| 21:37.11 | Ghiottone | so a temporary solution might be to revert to a bit older version of mokomakefile |
| 21:37.15 | gavin8or | It would be good to make it work |
| 21:37.23 | Ghiottone | I have no added patch, but perl does not build |
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| 21:38.01 | jgm | That's not a makefile issue, I think that there was something on the wiki about perl failing to build |
| 21:38.57 | Ghiottone | mmmm |
| 21:39.20 | jgm | Check out the discussion page on MokoMakefile, ther eis something in there about Perl not building |
| 21:40.51 | Ghiottone | found it. but the error is not the same |
| 21:41.22 | rwhitby | jgm: do you have a pastebin of the local patching not working? |
| 21:41.48 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: btw, my gf should have send the htc phone out today. I send you the tracking number once I'm home again |
| 21:41.54 | jgm | rwhitby: not any more, my patch was wiped :( |
| 21:42.00 | jgm | The patch was in openembedded |
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| 21:42.40 | jgm | I'm not on my moko build box at the moment so can't build a new patch and try it again |
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| 21:44.02 | Writchie | gavin8or: the gta01 is supposed to be quad band, gsm 850 900 1800 1900 |
| 21:44.14 | rwhitby | jgm: the openembedded/patches dirs should have been a symlink back to patches/openmoko-HEAD, and the symlink comes and goes. How did your patch get wiped? |
| 21:44.19 | Writchie | however, no one yet has reported it actually working on gsm 850 |
| 21:44.38 | Writchie | a number of people have had problems that suggest that it might not be working |
| 21:44.38 | gavin8or | ahh |
| 21:45.05 | gavin8or | Let me try one more time, I'll try to get a 5-bar signal |
| 21:45.12 | Writchie | this added to the FCC test report which only shows testing for 1900 and 2400 raises some questions |
| 21:45.15 | gavin8or | I could drive right over to the tower |
| 21:45.36 | jgm | rwhitby: can't remember, it was definitely a symlink but not sure where it went to. I'll try recreating the situation again when I'm back in front of my moko box (about another 8 hours or so) and will see if I can pin down the behaviour |
| 21:45.54 | Writchie | if gsm850 has been disabled internally, for whatever reason, it will not work. |
| 21:46.10 | Writchie | But it would be good to have a report of what you get very close to a tower |
| 21:46.16 | rwhitby | jgm: the lines that remove the symlink are rm -f (no -r), so they should not traverse a symlink |
| 21:46.39 | gavin8or | yeah well a phone that doesn't support CMDA or GSM850 is completely useless as a phone in most of North America |
| 21:46.51 | jgm | Odd, I'm pretty sure that the patch vanished but I'll check it out and get back to you |
| 21:46.54 | gavin8or | Yeah I can get to within 10 feet of a tower |
| 21:47.12 | gavin8or | What should I try when I get there though? I'm not going to have internet access |
| 21:47.20 | rwhitby | it checks for the existence of a series file in the patches/openembedded-HEAD dir, and it one exists then it symlinks that dir to openembedded/patches. If the series file does not exist then it removes the symlink. only if the symlink is there does it do a revert. |
| 21:47.43 | Writchie | AT+COPS=? should show you what's there |
| 21:48.34 | Ghiottone | this is a pastebin of my perl compilation issue: http://pastebin.com/m5006bffd |
| 21:48.37 | jgm | Yeah that sounds okay, so not usre what happened. |
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| 21:49.39 | gavin8or | ok thanks Writchie |
| 21:50.14 | rwhitby | Ghiottone: something wrong with how quilt is being called on your system, or quilt itself is broken or the wrong version or something. |
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| 21:51.14 | Writchie | gavin8or: you don't need to get all that close, 100 yard/meters is fine |
| 21:51.33 | Ghiottone | rwhitby, that was my first guess. however, version is 0.46-4 and it has not been upgraded since several days and yesterday it was working |
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| 21:52.38 | rwhitby | Ghiottone: the only other thing I can suggest is removing the openembedded directory and checking it out from monotone again, in case there is something corrupted in your OE metadata |
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| 21:53.34 | Ghiottone | rwhitby, a make update-openembedded suited for that operation after removal? |
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| 21:53.42 | juri_ | anyone here have a windows xp pro box, a linux box, and mind doing me a big favour? ;) |
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| 21:54.01 | Writchie | juri_: what? |
| 21:54.12 | juri_ | i need a tcpdump of an rdesktop client connecting to a windows XP PRO remote desktop server. just a connect, and disconnect. |
| 21:54.20 | gavin8or | juri_, *raises hand |
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| 21:54.43 | rwhitby | Ghiottone: remove the openembedded dir and stamps/openembedded, then run make setup-openembedded |
| 21:54.52 | juri_ | i'm working on reverse engineering part of the protocol, and i've run into a block. |
| 21:54.52 | gavin8or | Oh I wonder if I have it emulated (the Windows XP) would that be a problem? |
| 21:55.07 | juri_ | gavin: nope. as long as its xp pro, not home. |
| 21:55.20 | gavin8or | Yeah it's pro |
| 21:55.32 | gavin8or | I think I have to setup bridged networking first |
| 21:55.37 | juri_ | i'd really appreciate it. ;) |
| 21:55.42 | gavin8or | I know I have it compiled in... hang on |
| 21:55.55 | Ghiottone | rwhitby, I'm doing it thanks. and thanks jgm too |
| 21:56.42 | gavin8or | Would juri_ would bridged networking do it for you? |
| 21:56.56 | juri_ | yepyep. as long as the packet can be captured. :) |
| 21:56.58 | gavin8or | I'm trying to think.... no it wouldn't |
| 21:57.10 | gavin8or | Yeah but NAT doesn't give you a unique IP address |
| 21:57.11 | gavin8or | Does it? |
| 21:57.28 | juri_ | i don't need a unique ip address. its not ip related issues i'm fighting. |
| 21:57.36 | juri_ | (at the moment) |
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| 21:58.17 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Building_a_hello_world_application]] [[GUI_Style_Guidelines/es]] [[Ts_calibrate]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Main_Page/sk]] |
| 21:58.22 | jseghers | How ready for use is 2007.2? |
| 21:58.39 | hads | Use as in developing? |
| 21:58.47 | gavin8or | yeah but rdesktop needs an IP address :) |
| 21:58.52 | jseghers | hads: yes... as opposed to 2007.1 |
| 21:59.30 | hads | jseghers: I don't know much as I'm waiting for an announcement but it appears to be going well. |
| 21:59.31 | jseghers | I'm experiencing a lot of churn over on the 2007.1 side--broken builds and such |
| 21:59.32 | juri_ | gavin: true that. :) |
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| 22:00.09 | Elrond | Evening people. |
| 22:00.26 | Elrond | So what's new? |
| 22:00.57 | torpor | portmap fails. |
| 22:01.47 | juri_ | be back in about an hour. |
| 22:02.11 | torpor | √ |
| 22:02.33 | torpor | NOTE: Task failed: Error: /home/j/hak/openmoko/sources/portmap_5-26.diff.gz not found. |
| 22:02.40 | faern | hi everyone! I am new here. I heard about the neo phone today.. |
| 22:02.58 | torpor | howdy faern |
| 22:03.06 | faern | I want to know. will the hardware be improved until user release? |
| 22:03.06 | aloril | faern: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:03.34 | torpor | faern: yes .. the first release is gta01, this is only for developers to get the hardware working. |
| 22:03.48 | torpor | then the real consume release in october will be the gta02, and will have more features. |
| 22:04.18 | mickeyl | torpor: odd |
| 22:04.24 | mickeyl | are you building another distro? |
| 22:04.29 | mickeyl | openmoko.conf has a PREMIRROR |
| 22:04.39 | mickeyl | which points to buildhost.openmoko.org/sources/ |
| 22:04.49 | mickeyl | which (among others) contains the file you are looking for |
| 22:05.00 | faern | ok. I am very interested in the phone. an Yes I am a developer, I am interested in making third party software.. should I wait for the consumer version? |
| 22:05.01 | torpor | nope, not building another distro. |
| 22:05.09 | torpor | faern: no, get one! ;) |
| 22:05.48 | torpor | faern: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware |
| 22:06.02 | Ghiottone | rwhitby, same error as before. I'm off to bed and I'll try again tomorrow |
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| 22:06.09 | torpor | mickeyl: can't work it out. ;( |
| 22:06.11 | faern | torpor, I want to, software can easily be replaced, but if you upgrade the hardware it's kind of tempting to wait :P |
| 22:06.20 | torpor | then wait! |
| 22:06.29 | mickeyl | torpor: if all fails, manually download and put it into your SOURCE_DIR |
| 22:06.37 | mickeyl | then touch <file>.md5 |
| 22:06.39 | mickeyl | and rebuild |
| 22:06.39 | daltona | Hi all |
| 22:06.53 | torpor | i'm gonna mrproper portmap first. |
| 22:07.05 | torpor | maybe it just didnt' download because i had a net connection failure .. |
| 22:07.18 | daltona | is there any plan for a bluetooth control panel or menu on the panel in order to activate / deactivate it ? |
| 22:07.23 | Writchie | rwhitby: is MokoMakefile supposed to work now for 2007.2 - i keep failing on compile of uicmoc4-native_4.3.0-r2 |
| 22:08.03 | mickeyl | uicmoc is a bit bitchy, how does it bail out? |
| 22:08.07 | mickeyl | (pastebin) |
| 22:08.57 | Aria | daltona: There's a symbol in the panel in .2 that's a stub for that |
| 22:09.18 | daltona | I actually started a quick hack by creating a menu that runs some scripts, but Iw onder if |
| 22:09.28 | daltona | there are specs for that |
| 22:09.54 | Ghiottone | nite everyone |
| 22:09.59 | torpor | mickeyl: NOTE: Task failed: Error: /home/j/hak/openmoko/sources/portmap_5-26.diff.gz not found. |
| 22:09.59 | daltona | aria: I saw it, I was wondering of what will it be when not stubbed |
| 22:10.07 | rwhitby | Writchie: I believe MokoMakefile is calling bitbake correctly for 2007.2 - as to whether OE .dev head builds from one minute to the next I have little control over :-) |
| 22:10.09 | torpor | no sources dir, wtf!?! |
| 22:10.45 | Writchie | rwhitby: mickeyl: tx - i'll see what i can find in the logs |
| 22:11.13 | rwhitby | torpor: I thought bitbake created the sources dir if it didn't exist |
| 22:11.15 | mickeyl | rwhitby: mokomakefile should honor PREMIRRORS and CVS_TARBALL_STASH, right? |
| 22:11.21 | rwhitby | yep |
| 22:11.46 | rwhitby | NOTE: fetch http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/matchbox-panel-2_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.matchbox\ |
| 22:11.46 | rwhitby | .trunk__20070820.tar.gz |
| 22:12.59 | daltona | ok I see specs on the wiki (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bluetooth_Connection_Status), is there someone working on that, or can I start some development ? |
| 22:13.41 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 22:13.46 | mickeyl | it should read buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 22:13.52 | mickeyl | downlodas.openmoko.org/sources has less files |
| 22:14.09 | mickeyl | (for some admin reasons i don't understand) |
| 22:14.10 | torpor | okay, something is wrong. portmap_5-26.diff.gz is nowhere on the server |
| 22:14.38 | mickeyl | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/sources/portmap_5-9.diff.gz |
| 22:14.48 | mickeyl | oh |
| 22:14.50 | torpor | yeah thats not 5-26 tho |
| 22:14.51 | mickeyl | that's not 5-26 |
| 22:14.53 | mickeyl | right |
| 22:14.53 | torpor | right |
| 22:14.55 | mickeyl | let me check |
| 22:15.02 | faern | are there any videos/prictures of a neo/openmoko in use? |
| 22:15.13 | torpor | faern: yes, on youtube and google video |
| 22:15.18 | torpor | just search for neo1973 |
| 22:15.23 | torpor | tons of stuff |
| 22:15.25 | faern | nice |
| 22:15.58 | *** part/#openmoko jgm (n=jgm@host-87-74-179-156.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 22:16.42 | josch_ | for media check out people.openmoko.org |
| 22:18.00 | rwhitby | mickeyl: can you remove ${OMDIR}/oe/packages/*/*.bb from openmoko/trunk/oe/conf/site.conf ? |
| 22:18.04 | faern | thanks |
| 22:18.08 | Elrond | *arg* So the new 2007.2 is EABI? How does one run gllin on it? |
| 22:18.17 | rwhitby | you can't |
| 22:18.17 | don-o | faern: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=mokoNinja |
| 22:18.23 | mickeyl | rwhitby: why? |
| 22:18.39 | mickeyl | rwhitby: you still want to use the site file for OM2007.2? |
| 22:18.43 | rtyler | mickeyl: is it "out" yet? :P |
| 22:18.46 | Elrond | Okay, so no 2007.2 for me. |
| 22:18.51 | don-o | omg how old is harold |
| 22:18.56 | rwhitby | mickeyl: where should I be using the site file from? |
| 22:19.09 | rwhitby | (I'm assuming we don't want everyone to create their own site file) |
| 22:19.34 | mickeyl | rwhitby: well, do we need one? couldn't we just use the defaults? |
| 22:20.03 | rwhitby | mickeyl: openmoko.conf in OE points premirrors points to downloads |
| 22:20.18 | rwhitby | mickeyl: BBFILES needs to be set I believe. |
| 22:20.45 | rwhitby | and DL_DIR. I guess I can do those in the makefile to create a site.conf for people. |
| 22:20.58 | torpor | anyone got any clues on my portmap prolem? |
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| 22:21.46 | mickeyl | rwhitby: it doesn't here: PREMIRRORS = "(ftp|http)://.*/.*/ http://buildhost.openmoko.org/sources/" |
| 22:21.57 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: OpenMoko future. |
| 22:22.06 | rwhitby | I just wondered whether you wanted to retain control of the site.conf that everyone uses, in case you wanted to put stuff in there in the future and have everyone pick it up automatically |
| 22:22.43 | mickeyl | rwhitby: ya, that sounds not bad |
| 22:22.45 | daltona | how can we know the parts that are actively under development and where help is needed ? |
| 22:22.54 | mickeyl | rwhitby: can we still assume OMDIR being set? |
| 22:23.01 | rwhitby | mickeyl: yes |
| 22:23.11 | mickeyl | ok, then let me create a new site file |
| 22:23.48 | torpor | mickeyl: where do you think 5-26 is coming from? |
| 22:24.36 | rwhitby | mickeyl: I have openembedded/conf/distro/openmoko.conf rev 5ad6f42b55c9b2e3db7384a70948aee3be638cd6 |
| 22:24.51 | rwhitby | and it says downloads for PREMIRRORS |
| 22:25.33 | torpor | never mind .. i bitbake -cmrproper portmap, then make all, and it gets through .. |
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| 22:27.08 | frma | Anyone heard when the gps-software will be available ? |
| 22:27.13 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2751 10/trunk/src/host/openembedded/ (. site.conf): openembedded: add site file for MokoMakefile |
| 22:29.56 | rwhitby | mickeyl: so the makefile will symlink that into build/conf/site.conf |
| 22:30.05 | daltona | mickeyl: Do you know what are the component actively developed in OM and where help is needed ? |
| 22:32.27 | mickeyl | well |
| 22:32.29 | mickeyl | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/sources/portmap_5-26.diff.gz |
| 22:32.33 | mickeyl | it's actually there |
| 22:32.35 | mickeyl | however apache can't cope with too many files in a directory |
| 22:32.37 | mickeyl | so the directory listing doesn't show it |
| 22:32.39 | mickeyl | heh |
| 22:32.40 | torpor | ah |
| 22:32.53 | mickeyl | rwhitby: http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/openembedded/site.conf?rev=2751&view=log |
| 22:32.53 | torpor | well so what i did was mrproper portmap and it seems to have smoothed out .. |
| 22:33.34 | mickeyl | daltona: major help atm. would be needed in porting application manager to OM-2007.2, fixing gsmd, adding better power management, etc. apart from that, cool applications :) |
| 22:34.20 | rwhitby | mickeyl: http://pastebin.ca/664898 is how I will use it |
| 22:34.31 | torpor | daltona: don't worry about the cool apps, i'm doing that .. ;) |
| 22:34.50 | mickeyl | rwhitby: ok, cool |
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| 22:37.13 | faern | Will it be possible to buy the advanced neo kit of the consumer version? |
| 22:37.40 | daltona | mickeyl: thanks, I'll see what I can do. that means that currently, no bluetooth devel is planned. |
| 22:38.00 | daltona | torpor: what sort of cool apps do you develop ? |
| 22:38.05 | mickeyl | daltona: nothing in particular. we're waiting a bit for bluez 4 |
| 22:38.13 | torpor | daltona: music apps and games |
| 22:38.53 | torpor | but for the last 5 days i've been trying to finish a build of mokomakefile .. |
| 22:39.24 | torpor | looks like matchbox is borked. |
| 22:40.34 | Elrond | mickeyl - Do the kernels on buildhost support eabi AND oabi? |
| 22:40.50 | torpor | matchbox: http://rafb.net/p/DnYf0u94.html |
| 22:40.57 | mickeyl | Elrond: a good question |
| 22:41.03 | mickeyl | Elrond: i have no idea, actually |
| 22:41.07 | mickeyl | let me check |
| 22:41.37 | Writchie | mickeyl: my uicmoc was choking on not finding Xext |
| 22:41.42 | r3pek | faern: yes |
| 22:42.01 | mickeyl | Writchie: oh nasty. i'm afraid you need to have libxext-devel on your build machine |
| 22:42.17 | Writchie | ok np thanks |
| 22:42.27 | Writchie | wasn't the case of 2007.1 |
| 22:42.36 | faern | r3pek, ok nice. but now when I look at it it doesent seem to contain anything more than the phone in parts :/ |
| 22:42.50 | torpor | okay any clues on matchbox .. wasn't someone else having this problem just a bit earlier too? |
| 22:42.52 | pH5 | from do_configure() in linux-gta01.inc it looks, like CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT=y is set |
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| 22:42.58 | mickeyl | ah, right. |
| 22:43.01 | mickeyl | pH5 was faster. thanks |
| 22:43.11 | r3pek | faern: unless you want to debug hardware, i don't think it's for you |
| 22:43.53 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 22:44.03 | mickeyl | did alphaone forgot to check that file in? |
| 22:44.19 | alphaone | what file? |
| 22:44.26 | torpor | for matchbox? |
| 22:44.30 | mickeyl | no, it's there |
| 22:44.36 | mickeyl | torpor: is your repository up to date? |
| 22:44.39 | mickeyl | mtn pull && mtn update |
| 22:44.43 | mickeyl | don't forget to update |
| 22:44.44 | Elrond | pH5, mickeyl - Okay... When I have time, I'll create a gllin-chroot. |
| 22:44.47 | mickeyl | pull doesn't update your workarea |
| 22:44.51 | mickeyl | Elrond: cool! |
| 22:45.14 | torpor | you mean 'make update' doesn't get the repo upto date? |
| 22:45.55 | Elrond | pH5, mickeyl - But don't hold your breath. I'll stay with an oabi rootfs for a while. |
| 22:46.00 | torpor | make mtn-update |
| 22:46.27 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: OABI is so 1900 |
| 22:46.32 | stefan_schmidt | ;) |
| 22:46.33 | mickeyl | hear haer |
| 22:46.41 | alphaone | torpor: I think I know what your problem is |
| 22:46.48 | torpor | great! |
| 22:47.06 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - *duck* Why did openmoko start with oabi in the first place? ;o) |
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| 22:47.23 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Because we suck? ;) |
| 22:47.36 | torpor | becaue compilers suck? |
| 22:47.44 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - ;o) |
| 22:47.54 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: heh, of course oabi has still the right to exists. |
| 22:48.13 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: It's just that EABI is in pretty good shape in oe |
| 22:48.18 | drath | stefan_schmidt: that's what we have museums for |
| 22:48.20 | torpor | alphaone: got any clues for me? |
| 22:48.22 | alphaone | torpor: can you look if you have tmp/work/arm*/matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod-0.0+svn20070821-r1 and tmp/work/arm*/matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod-0.0+svn20070820-r1 (note the date) |
| 22:48.43 | stefan_schmidt | drath: :) |
| 22:49.08 | alphaone | torpor: What happens to me is that do_fetch gets done before midnight and do_patch starts after midnight... |
| 22:49.25 | Elrond | drath, stefan_schmidt The last 7 days I lived in something like a museum. ;o) It was very nice. :-) |
| 22:49.39 | torpor | alphaone: http://rafb.net/p/gpfscu83.html |
| 22:49.56 | alphaone | And then do_fetch tries to operate on an empty directory |
| 22:50.02 | torpor | ok |
| 22:50.15 | torpor | so i should just mrproper all matchbox-* and do it again? |
| 22:50.18 | mickeyl | ah, yes, the infamous date change problem |
| 22:50.23 | mickeyl | a bitbake -c rebuild cures it |
| 22:50.32 | torpor | sorry, i'm kind of futzing through this .. trying to get a build finished so i can focus on developj |
| 22:50.35 | torpor | ment soon |
| 22:50.39 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Where? |
| 22:50.51 | mickeyl | sorry for getting all you through these troubles. we will have a toolchain ready soon |
| 22:51.10 | alphaone | ~curse SRCDATE |
| 22:51.11 | apt | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, SRCDATE ! |
| 22:51.18 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - In a "gate guard"-house. :-) |
| 22:51.23 | torpor | how do i use bitbake rebuild then? |
| 22:51.34 | mickeyl | bitbake -c rebuild <provider> |
| 22:51.38 | torpor | oh |
| 22:51.41 | torpor | of course. |
| 22:51.42 | torpor | ;) |
| 22:51.47 | rwhitby | or make rebuild-package-foo |
| 22:51.51 | mickeyl | :) |
| 22:51.55 | mickeyl | right |
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| 22:55.59 | Elrond | Oh, power management: My Bv03 did not see any usb cable (not to mention external power) the last seven days... it booted fine 3 days ago, and now it still boots fine and has the battery at about 80% (guessing from looking at the icon) |
| 22:59.05 | stefan_schmidt | night all |
| 22:59.15 | Elrond | Night stefan_schmidt |
| 23:00.16 | pH5 | g'night |
| 23:00.50 | mickeyl | n8 stefan_schmidt |
| 23:01.09 | mickeyl | Elrond: wow, not bad |
| 23:02.52 | Elrond | mickeyl - Note, that the Bv03 is assumed to have q1001, so something like that should in theory not be possible at all. I have no clue, why it's possible. |
| 23:04.36 | Elrond | Anyway. Good night people. |
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| 23:11.08 | mickeyl | n8 Elrond |
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| 23:13.11 | torpor | http://rafb.net/p/99MWpR63.html |
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| 23:18.44 | mickeyl | torpor: bitbake intltool-native |
| 23:18.50 | mickeyl | today2 should have a dependency on that |
| 23:19.33 | mickeyl | indirectly, at least |
| 23:19.39 | mickeyl | g'night |
| 23:19.54 | torpor | g'night! |
| 23:19.56 | Writchie | ng |
| 23:19.58 | Writchie | gn |
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| 23:30.13 | zecke | bye |
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| 23:32.25 | Jason1 | Has anyone been successful in building 2007.2 with MokoMakeFile? I am getting an error... |
| 23:37.22 | rtyler | Jason1: I have an image running from being built this morning |
| 23:38.10 | Jason1 | yeah? I am getting an error on "Applying patch bitbake-1.6.6-om3.patch" |
| 23:38.25 | Jason1 | rtyler: Must be something with my environment |
| 23:38.32 | Jason1 | It was compiling 2007.1 just fine... |
| 23:40.15 | r3pek | guys, just confirm me something. Neo1973 will no be 3g right? |
| 23:40.22 | r3pek | s/no/not |
| 23:40.28 | Writchie | no 3g no EDGE |
| 23:40.36 | r3pek | :( |
| 23:40.56 | Writchie | probably EDGE will come first - then 3G |
| 23:41.06 | r3pek | what's EDGE? |
| 23:41.08 | Jason1 | rtyler: Did you have to do anything special to get it to work? |
| 23:41.20 | rtyler | wish upon a star when I entered 'make' |
| 23:41.43 | anrp | i'm telling you, phase of the moon |
| 23:41.48 | Aria | EDGE is fast GPRS. Another set of data rates. |
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| 23:43.50 | linux_galore | GTA02 will have WiFi though |
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| 23:44.47 | linux_galore | if you live in a city I usually find there is no shortage of open wifi points |
| 23:49.17 | Aztlek | r3pek: EDGE is "Enhanced Data Rates for GSM Evolution". See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Data_Rates_for_GSM_Evolution |
| 23:49.44 | r3pek | yeah... was reading it :) thx |
| 23:53.37 | rwhitby | Jason1: did you type "make setup" after changing from om2007.1 to 2007.2 ? |
| 23:54.23 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r143 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Use the new om2007.2 site.conf |
| 23:54.45 | juri_ | "make fucking work you goddamn piece of shit" |
| 23:55.54 | Jason1 | yeah, I did a "make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image" |
| 23:57.21 | rwhitby | Jason1: ah, I think I know the problem now. |
| 23:57.39 | rwhitby | make clobber-patches first |
| 23:57.45 | rwhitby | I'll work out how to do that automatically |
| 23:57.52 | Jason1 | standby |
| 23:58.55 | Jason1 | rwhitby: No rule to make target... "make clobber-patches"??? |
| 23:58.57 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2]] [[Wishlist:Bible_Reader]] [[Talk:Menubar]] [[Talk:GUI_Style_Guidelines]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[Screen_Shots]] |
| 23:59.07 | rwhitby | ok, rm -rf patches stamps/patches |
