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| 00:05.05 | mrface | I'm trying really hard to understand how bitbake recipes work, but I'm having a difficult time... anyone have any recommended reading? |
| 00:05.35 | ljp | oe manual |
| 00:05.49 | ljp | and other oe bb's |
| 00:06.52 | mrface | ok, I will check out the manual |
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| 00:34.24 | ferric | i can't get dfu-util to flash my device |
| 00:34.31 | ferric | it dies on device still in Runtime mode |
| 00:39.30 | kristian-m | hmpf common/linux_list.h is not in my buildpath for libmokogsmd2 - anyway, will go to sleep now |
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| 00:41.38 | hads | Anyone managed to find any pre-cut screen protectors that fit the Neo? |
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| 00:52.23 | hads | ferric: What have you got the phone doing at the time? |
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| 00:53.16 | ferric | hads: its in uboot |
| 00:53.27 | ferric | hads: it worked briefly - i'm in parallels on an os x machine |
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| 00:53.35 | ferric | but now i'm getting error during download-32 |
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| 00:55.28 | hads | ferric: Not sure, it just works here but I'm using Linux. |
| 00:55.38 | ferric | i'm in an ubuntu vm... |
| 00:55.50 | ferric | well, the other alternative is to get dfu-util built on os x |
| 00:55.59 | scott__ | it it a dash issue? |
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| 00:57.01 | ferric | dash issue? |
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| 01:00.58 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] |
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| 01:06.56 | ferric | oook - great... the phone won't power on anymore. |
| 01:07.08 | superman_Scott | sorry ferric i mean this dash issue:http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Before_you_begin |
| 01:09.51 | ferric | superman_Scott: just trying to flash the kernel/rootfs onto a new device... not building mokomakefile. |
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| 01:12.58 | ferric | hm, error during download and then my vm crashes. |
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| 01:23.42 | ferric | ok, flasher on os x works fine |
| 01:25.20 | SpeedEvil | M:) |
| 01:31.12 | ferric | yo SpeedEvil! |
| 01:33.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 716 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net |
| 01:33.02 | cdbot2 | * * BBMASK="uboot" results in attempt to build wrong kernel + failure |
| 01:33.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=716 |
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| 01:52.18 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> [ANNOUNCE] Neo1973 DebugBoard v2 Schematics released |
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| 01:56.08 | ZerothCloned | hello |
| 01:56.28 | sagacis | Moin |
| 01:56.38 | sagacis | It appears the alsamixer is labled incorrectly..... |
| 01:57.18 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> [ANNOUNCE] Neo1973 DebugBoard v2 Schematics released |
| 01:58.01 | ZerothCloned | hey, has anyone seen BryceLeo around> |
| 01:58.02 | ZerothCloned | ? |
| 02:01.22 | ferric | oh well, more experiments later. |
| 02:03.24 | sagacis | root@fic-gta01:/etc$ which stic |
| 02:03.25 | sagacis | /usr/bin/stic |
| 02:03.25 | sagacis | root@fic-gta01:/etc$ stic |
| 02:03.25 | sagacis | -sh: stic: not found |
| 02:03.30 | sagacis | How does this happen? |
| 02:03.39 | ferric | /usr/bin/stic |
| 02:03.51 | sagacis | (sorry for the poor paste. IT was an accident) |
| 02:04.00 | sagacis | ferric, same thing |
| 02:04.02 | shackan | +x maybe? |
| 02:04.10 | ferric | ls -l /usr/bin/stic |
| 02:04.11 | sagacis | It's a console app |
| 02:04.20 | sagacis | wait...I bet you're right |
| 02:04.37 | ferric | +x it is |
| 02:04.46 | sagacis | nope already +x'd |
| 02:04.56 | sagacis | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 30403 Mar 7 2002 /usr/bin/stic |
| 02:05.49 | ferric | is it a binary? |
| 02:05.54 | ferric | ./stic in /usr/bin> |
| 02:05.55 | ferric | ? |
| 02:06.13 | sagacis | nope. |
| 02:06.19 | sagacis | Maybe it's missing a dependency?? |
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| 02:09.01 | slitzferrari | hello! i've been crawling arround the openmoko wiki and trying some things in order to run the openmoko in osX |
| 02:09.10 | slitzferrari | has anybody did it? |
| 02:09.10 | aloril | slitzferrari: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 02:09.55 | slitzferrari | basically i'm stuck in the build process with the same error that's on the wiki |
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| 02:14.02 | sagacis | slitzferrari: I think so. I'm not much help with ubuntu, but I think they have. Check out the mailing list archives. |
| 02:14.32 | slitzferrari | humm okay i'll check it out thnkx :) |
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| 02:16.38 | aloril | (script) planet: Harald "LaF0rge" Welte: OpenMoko Taipei office network setup http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/08/19#20070819-openmoko_office_network |
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| 02:27.28 | slitzferrari | for what i've seen on the mailing lists archives, people like me are using paralels to run ubuntu or so and running openmoko there |
| 02:28.03 | slitzferrari | i'm affraid that's not yet possible to run openmoko in osx |
| 02:28.14 | sagacis | slitzferrari: heck I was running WinXP. I had to install a new OS. |
| 02:28.20 | sagacis | nothing parallel about that. |
| 02:28.59 | slitzferrari | you could use vmware :P |
| 02:29.09 | madewokherd | or virtualbox |
| 02:29.24 | sagacis | or install a decent OS |
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| 02:37.54 | rtm_ | Does anyone know how to detect the pressing of the Aux button from within a gtk application? |
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| 03:01.18 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[Other_OSes]] [[Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2]] |
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| 04:21.28 | juri_ | Please having someone else to pickup your Neo, otherwise, they will drop your neo. |
| 04:21.29 | juri_ | jesus christ on a pogostick... |
| 04:22.26 | juri_ | my neo is stranded in germany, and unless i know any germans who can pick it up, pay the customs fees, and ship it to me, i don't get one. |
| 04:23.07 | juri_ | worse, i get to pay for it, and not have one. |
| 04:24.45 | ljp | why'd you send it to Germany? |
| 04:25.16 | doc|home | juri_: whose mistake was it that it went to Germany? |
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| 04:27.19 | rtm_ | Does anyone know how to detect the pressing of the Aux button from within a gtk application? |
| 04:28.33 | juri_ | doc: good question. i don't exactly have a log of my request to the website... |
| 04:28.48 | ljp | it comes in from /dev/input/event0 |
| 04:28.48 | juri_ | i did inform htc as soon as i saw the destination |
| 04:29.24 | rtm_ | thanks! |
| 04:29.40 | juri_ | its not like i wouldnt pay shipping to send it back.. but as the customer, i have no right to redirect a package. |
| 04:29.53 | juri_ | HTC needs to have it shipped to me, and i'll pay for the shipping. |
| 04:29.53 | doc|home | juri_: htc? |
| 04:29.55 | anrp | htc? |
| 04:29.57 | anrp | you mean fic? |
| 04:30.01 | juri_ | sorry. ;) |
| 04:30.03 | doc|home | heh |
| 04:30.13 | anrp | i wouldn't mind an open htc though |
| 04:30.17 | anrp | thats some sweet hw |
| 04:30.27 | doc|home | in fariness, if it's fic's fault, they should sort it out |
| 04:30.31 | doc|home | *fairness! |
| 04:31.14 | juri_ | even if its not, theres shit i can do about it, its on the wrong *continent*. i'd pay for shipping.. but i'm not paying for an item in germany, where i can't touch it. |
| 04:42.39 | juri_ | it hasn't arrived at customs. ups has realized somethings wrong. FIC needs to call, confirm my address, and get my package *shipped*. |
| 04:44.39 | rwhitby | juri_: have you sent an email to the bug tracking system with your order ID ? |
| 04:45.26 | juri_ | rwhitby: i've been in daily contact with jouston hunag via email, through RT. |
| 04:45.51 | rwhitby | ok, cool. so have they said that they won't do what you need them to do to get it delivered? |
| 04:46.15 | rwhitby | or are you just releasing frustrations here :-) |
| 04:46.26 | juri_ | i just sent a new email after recieving the factually incorrect email from jouston.. |
| 04:46.46 | juri_ | rwhitby: halfway between officially ranting, and releasing frustration. |
| 04:47.10 | rwhitby | officially ranting won't help here. we can only help you release the frustration :-) |
| 04:47.32 | juri_ | maybe i'm just informing others of how shipping problems are being handled. ;P |
| 04:47.54 | juri_ | if i can't get my openmoko, thats bad for everyone. i am an accomplished coder/hacker. :P |
| 04:49.11 | rwhitby | sounds like you're at the point where a mistake has been made and you haven't got positive acknowledgement yet that it will be fixed, as opposed to getting something back saying it won't be fixed. is that the status? |
| 04:49.44 | juri_ | no, i think its halfway between that. |
| 04:50.09 | juri_ | according to fic, its in customs hands, out of their hands, and i need to find someone in germany to pick it up. |
| 04:50.26 | juri_ | according to UPS, they need to confirm the delivery address. i see nothing about customs. |
| 04:50.53 | rwhitby | sounds like you've got new info that fic doesn't have yet. |
| 04:51.15 | juri_ | UPS says they've realized somethings wrong. FIC is telling me i'm fucked. but FIC is the only one with the right to talk to UPS about the issue. |
| 04:51.16 | rwhitby | (I wonder if they are working on the weekend?) |
| 04:51.36 | juri_ | rwhitby: this information was available yesterday, per ups.com. |
| 04:51.55 | juri_ | i got my email from fic today. nothing has changed on ups.com. |
| 04:52.10 | rwhitby | but what was the order of events? did you forward the info you have from ups to fic, and fic have refuted it? or have fic not seen the info from ups yet? |
| 04:52.21 | juri_ | the second. |
| 04:52.30 | juri_ | so, i have a prayer still. |
| 04:53.37 | rwhitby | from the replies by sean to other people who've had trouble, I get the feeling that FIC would do pretty much anything (including sending out a free replacement) to a developer who's paid for a neo but hasn't got it through some shipping mishap. |
| 04:54.13 | rwhitby | (i.e. the guy who couldn't find the batteries - sean said just let someone know and they'd ship some more out) |
| 04:54.30 | juri_ | i just sent this info to fic. i'm hoping they figgure it out. :) |
| 04:55.10 | rwhitby | fingers crossed for you. I'd expect it will just be an inconvenient delay rather than any loss to you. |
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| 04:55.46 | juri_ | i'm fine with that. i wasnt really expecting it until september anyways. |
| 04:56.16 | juri_ | delay is fine. additional shipping is fine. having my package stranded in customs on the wrong continent, where i can't get it is not fine. ;) |
| 04:56.38 | rwhitby | they're plenty of mokians in germany, so someone could get it for you :-) |
| 04:57.17 | juri_ | someone else could get one, and fic could ship me a different one. ;P |
| 04:59.44 | dotmef | rwhitby: is the best bet for the 2007.2 makefile to start from scratch? or can I re-use my existing build tree? |
| 05:00.37 | raster | fic/openmoko are having a few troubles with all thew shipping |
| 05:00.47 | raster | they are not accostomed to shipping to individuals |
| 05:00.55 | raster | they normally only eve3r shiped to comapnies |
| 05:01.01 | raster | ie they are an OEM |
| 05:01.11 | raster | so this is all new territory (direct sales to customers) |
| 05:01.58 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Bogota]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Los_Angeles]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[P1_Owners]] |
| 05:03.13 | rwhitby | dotmef: at this stage I don't think it matters. it's designed to be able to swap back and forth between 2007.1 and 2007.2 |
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| 05:05.43 | dotmef | rwhitby: ok - thanks. I'm getting some issues, but I think that must be due to my own additions before using the new makefile. |
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| 05:30.45 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.1 * r131 10mokomakefile/: Put OM-2007.1 onto a branch for any support in it's soon-to-be-deprecated state. |
| 05:32.16 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r132 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Moved 2007.1 support onto a branch |
| 05:33.30 | mwester | Curses! Just my luck. My neo will *finally* be showing up on Monday. But -- as demanded by Murphy's Law, I will be departing for a week-long business trip, a few hours before UPS gets here. :( |
| 05:34.05 | rwhitby | Doh! |
| 05:34.26 | rwhitby | Probably better you don't get it before the trip, or the trip will be a waste of money. |
| 05:35.12 | mwester | Booth duty at a trade show. It's a waste of money and time, IMO -- but if I had the neo, it would only be a waste of money! ;) |
| 05:35.13 | raster | hehehe |
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| 07:01.58 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Mmontour/HHNotes]] |
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| 07:36.44 | torpor | compiling the latest 2007.2 makefile, alpha, i get as far as uicmoc which then fails "cuic is busted |
| 07:43.08 | J-23 | Hmm... |
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| 07:49.03 | fgau | torpor: i have had the same problem, solved it with apt-get from this list: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#How_to_build_using_nslu2-linux_MasterMakefile_.28Ubuntu_7.04.29 |
| 08:01.07 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r133 10mokomakefile/trunk/: Move trunk away, ready for om2007.2 |
| 08:01.17 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r134 10mokomakefile/trunk/: Copy om2007.2 into trunk |
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| 08:03.29 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r135 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Enable 2007.2 on trunk, but default still to 2007.1 |
| 08:04.25 | rwhitby | Now it's a one liner when mickey|zzZZzz gives the green light. |
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| 08:07.23 | torpor | fgau: thanks, checking it out now .. hopefully this will fix it. |
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| 08:21.02 | yoyo | yellow all |
| 08:22.59 | yoyo | I have stupid idea. me by beryl? xrandr is working |
| 08:24.37 | torpor | beril? |
| 08:24.48 | yoyo | beryl |
| 08:24.54 | ScaredyCat | beryl is no more |
| 08:25.01 | ScaredyCat | compiz-fusion |
| 08:25.18 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: can I adda request for the makefile ? |
| 08:25.36 | pH5 | compiz won't work too well without gl acceleration |
| 08:25.40 | rwhitby | you can request all you like ... |
| 08:26.00 | yoyo | I have it on laptop. it is grate :) on desktop no it dost handle with 3x display |
| 08:26.00 | ScaredyCat | it's not compiz any more... |
| 08:26.16 | ME-tan | i think even with the new version you get a choice of beryl or compiz style |
| 08:26.49 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: can you add a var for monotone... so I can have one on the system, but use a mroe recent one for just openmoko |
| 08:26.55 | ME-tan | hmm. Beryl on the neo? Should give the HTC Touch a challenge |
| 08:27.02 | yoyo | there is aglx it's runing od a software accel |
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| 08:27.23 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: you mean a MTN = mtn var? |
| 08:27.31 | ScaredyCat | yah |
| 08:31.26 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r136 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Created a variable for the monotone executable, so it can be overridden on the command line if required. |
| 08:31.59 | ScaredyCat | woohoo! |
| 08:32.00 | ScaredyCat | thanks |
| 08:32.15 | rwhitby | make sure I got them all. |
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| 08:35.10 | PBeck | hi |
| 08:35.29 | PBeck | hi |
| 08:37.09 | J-23_ | Hello. |
| 08:37.24 | ScaredyCat | errm |
| 08:37.29 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: ... |
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| 08:39.00 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/663098 |
| 08:39.32 | ScaredyCat | you left quite a few in there |
| 08:39.37 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r137 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Make the tip of the OM-2007.2 branch point back to the trunk now |
| 08:40.12 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: I think you were still looking on the branch, not the trunk. |
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| 08:40.45 | rwhitby | I've added it to the branch now too. |
| 08:41.01 | ScaredyCat | aahh yes.. :) |
| 08:42.50 | ScaredyCat | now... erm just to be really annoying... |
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| 08:43.15 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r138 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Make the Makefile on the 2007.2 branch still point to the 2007.2 branch for updates, until the trunk has been switched to 2007.2 |
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| 08:44.06 | ScaredyCat | how about allowing me to create a .mtn file with the path eg mymtn/mtn which is read if it exists otherwise use system. that would mean we don;t need to edit the makefile each time there's an update |
| 08:45.03 | rwhitby | no. just symlink it yourself. |
| 08:45.13 | rwhitby | (the monotone database that is) |
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| 08:45.49 | ScaredyCat | I mean for the executable |
| 08:45.58 | rwhitby | or use a script which calls the makefile with MTN=foo |
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| 08:46.15 | rtyler | morning gents |
| 08:46.37 | rwhitby | I'm not going to have the Makefile reading in millions of little files for this and that. |
| 08:48.29 | ScaredyCat | shouldn't it just have one then |
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| 08:48.44 | ScaredyCat | mokomakefile.cfg |
| 08:48.57 | mdt | is there a lib for the neo / in oe to check memory allocation like valgrind or electric-fence? valgrind is not for the arm, e-fence is not included - any ideas / hints? |
| 08:49.25 | rtyler | CM: only if I can get it to play Highlander music |
| 08:49.33 | rtyler | "THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE MAKEFILE *swoosh*" |
| 08:49.39 | CM | rtyler: Hehe |
| 08:49.44 | CM | ScaredyCat: :-P |
| 08:49.54 | torpor | <-- votes for just a *single* Makefile, which can be tweaked locally freely and at will. |
| 08:50.13 | torpor | I mean, ScaredyCat, do you think this would be useful for a lot of people, or just those with differeing mtn's around .. |
| 08:50.15 | ScaredyCat | but one file requirement is just daft.. since it pulls 200 million others. |
| 08:50.57 | ScaredyCat | it's not just for mtn... it's for anything that's different locally... try thinking a little more broadly than just *my* requirement |
| 08:51.01 | torpor | sure, its justa Makefile.cfg now. But sooner or later, the whole thing will be a distro and come on CD. |
| 08:51.10 | ScaredyCat | no. |
| 08:51.25 | ScaredyCat | either you just don't get it or you're being facecious |
| 08:51.40 | ScaredyCat | not you xzcvczx, BTW |
| 08:51.44 | torpor | no, i'm seriously challenging whether your suggestion is going to be useful to more or less people than just you personally. |
| 08:52.09 | torpor | i do get it. and i'm not facetious. |
| 08:52.17 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: actually in about a few mins i will probably admit to being a complete idiot anyway :P |
| 08:52.37 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby doesn;t want lots of little files. so I suggested 1. you don;t HAVE to have the file, it should simply TEST for it and use it if it exists |
| 08:53.02 | torpor | whats wrong with pasting this test in to your own local Makefile, then? are you checking the Makefile into SVN frequently for other reasons? |
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| 08:53.42 | ScaredyCat | because the makefile changes. |
| 08:53.51 | torpor | i mean, from my perspective, the Makefile looks like it was designed to be as simple as possible to get set up and running, even though its doing a *lot* of work to get a full OS built for the Moko. |
| 08:54.19 | ScaredyCat | if you have to edit it each time it becomes a pita, which is the sole reason for the configuration file |
| 08:54.25 | torpor | 'the makefile changes' .. this may actually be the problem that should be solved, and not with a .cfg file .. |
| 08:54.36 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 08:54.44 | torpor | when you do an svn update, keep your own changes then. |
| 08:54.58 | ScaredyCat | the makefile isn't in svn ffs |
| 08:55.03 | torpor | its not? |
| 08:55.06 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 08:55.08 | torpor | then what the hell is the problem then? |
| 08:55.23 | ScaredyCat | do a make update-makefile |
| 08:55.28 | torpor | i do that |
| 08:55.34 | rtyler | ZOMG RECURZINO |
| 08:55.35 | ScaredyCat | the old one is replaced by the new one |
| 08:55.37 | pH5 | ScaredyCat: I don't understand what you need the Makefile for at all. It's a great way to help people start and set up their environment in a standardized fashion. As soon as you start to customize it, its main advantage goes away (reproducible behaviour). |
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| 08:56.14 | torpor | i think you have Makefile upgrade-itis. once you've used it once, i don't know any good reasons to keep using it so frequently that it requires its own local .cfg section .. |
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| 08:56.27 | torpor | righty now, there's a lot of activity on it. but i could see this tapering off. |
| 08:56.31 | ScaredyCat | well the reproducable behaviour is form rm'ing the config if there's an issue |
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| 08:56.57 | torpor | so its a debug feature you want then. |
| 08:57.06 | torpor | i.e. to make it easy to test the Makefile. |
| 08:58.13 | pH5 | mdt: no idea, but we could try to package e-fence for OE, no? |
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| 09:00.38 | torpor | ok, stupid question: i have found some packages (most recently icu-native) using my shells HOST/TARGET vars (set up for arm-open2x-linux) instead of that provided by the BB build env .. should I try to fix for those packages? |
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| 09:01.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] [[MokoMakefile]] |
| 09:01.47 | torpor | or .. perhaps just add to the Wiki .. [note to developers: make sure you don't have vars set up for other systems before you begin .. export HOST= export TARGET= &etc.] |
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| 09:04.06 | mdt | pH5, i'm not shure, how efence works, does it need some x86 capabilities? |
| 09:04.28 | mdt | pH5, valgrind is for x86, amd and ppc only... |
| 09:05.25 | CM | pH5: Is this you: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ph5/1164358042/ |
| 09:05.33 | pH5 | mdt: I'm just looking at duma.sf.net, it seems they run on x86, x86_64, mips, etc. |
| 09:05.38 | pH5 | CM: yes |
| 09:05.46 | CM | Cool, looks nice :D |
| 09:06.52 | pH5 | a pity there are no freely distributable data files for that game. except for the touchscreen scrolling it works pretty well |
| 09:06.53 | mdt | pH5, hey, nice game - what do you use for graphics? x11? |
| 09:07.03 | pH5 | MDK: that's the ja2-straciatella sdl port |
| 09:07.14 | pH5 | (using x11 via libsdl-x11) |
| 09:08.16 | mdt | pH5, you are from berlin, germany? ;) |
| 09:08.29 | torpor | very nice! |
| 09:08.30 | ScaredyCat | pH5: your micro sd was ony 128mb ? |
| 09:09.34 | pH5 | mdt: that's right |
| 09:09.50 | pH5 | ScaredyCat: yes, the one I got with my p0 phone |
| 09:09.55 | ScaredyCat | h |
| 09:09.57 | ScaredyCat | ah |
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| 09:11.24 | mdt | pH5, any other idea on memory debugging for an arm? |
| 09:13.36 | pH5 | mdt: I'd say let's try DUMA, but I have no experience in that field. |
| 09:13.45 | pH5 | or of course valgrind your apps and only then build them for arm |
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| 09:13.58 | rwhitby | actually, the makefile is in svn, and you can check it out from svn if you choose, rather than wgetting it |
| 09:14.19 | mdt | pH5, what's duma? |
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| 09:14.36 | rwhitby | and the intention is that it is not configurable, cause it is meant to precisely reproduce the intentions of what the core team wants built as the default image. |
| 09:14.39 | _diego__ | mdt: for what i remember, efence was a very simple library. So it should be easy to compile on neo |
| 09:14.46 | pH5 | duma.sourceforge.net, e-fence fork/successor. |
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| 09:15.20 | pH5 | I'll try to cook up a bb recipe |
| 09:15.48 | mdt | okay, sounds nice. will try it this evening. thanks. i have to leave... see you! |
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| 09:16.31 | rwhitby | pH5 is correct, if MokoMakefile becomes customisable such that it builds different things for different people, then it looses it's value as a tool that sets up a standard environment and build procedure so that people can reproduce what other people are doing and encountering. |
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| 09:17.19 | rwhitby | and torpor is correct that there is a lot of activity around this generation change, but before that (and I expect after this) it didn't change much in weeks. |
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| 09:18.54 | rwhitby | torpor: in my opinion, OE should build a package repeatable regardless of your environment variable settings, |
| 09:20.03 | yoyo | all: can I edit "Bluetooth_Connection_Status" in wiki? |
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| 09:23.18 | torpor | rwhitby: so i've just tripped up a few packages that do not build when i have my own HOST/TARGET vars set .. (by accident, btw) .. |
| 09:24.01 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: the only way to build properly with reproducable results is to build the tools too.. |
| 09:24.02 | rwhitby | I thought those were cleared by bitbake before it even got near a package |
| 09:24.15 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: indeed, and OE does a lot of that too. |
| 09:24.29 | ScaredyCat | but not monotone... |
| 09:24.47 | torpor | i guess something is awry then .. this is the 2nd time my build failed because some obscure package in the bb tree was using arm-open2x-linux for TARGET/HOST .. |
| 09:24.48 | rwhitby | and yes, you can take it further and say that everyone should use the same host distro for repeatable results ... |
| 09:24.56 | ScaredyCat | tbh i think monotone is the only retarded part |
| 09:25.09 | torpor | maybe next time someone gets a chance to fire up a fresh build, set those vars in advance to something broken, and catch the packages. |
| 09:25.20 | ScaredyCat | since it's db layout changes when someone farts |
| 09:25.42 | ScaredyCat | or you move your mouse |
| 09:25.47 | torpor | i'm currently building on a VM image so that i never have to do this huge build again! ;) |
| 09:26.31 | torpor | the only hope i have is that once i've done a successful build, i can keep it updated in change instead of having to 'refresh the build' too often .. coz honestly, two days to build this so far, and if its busted: yikes. |
| 09:26.40 | ScaredyCat | there was a chroot env ... which is probably the best solution in that respect rwhitby |
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| 09:36.04 | J-23_ | http://www.ms.mff.cuni.cz/~kupem6am/openmoko-devel-image-x86-20070227064250.rootfs.tar.gz returns 403 :/ |
| 09:37.09 | kristian-m | morning |
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| 09:40.46 | J-23 | Where I can find copy of http://www.ms.mff.cuni.cz/~kupem6am/openmoko-devel-image-x86-20070227064250.rootfs.tar.gz? |
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| 09:43.42 | rtyler | rwhitby: do you have changes for the MokoMakefile to automagically switch over to building 2007.2? |
| 09:44.16 | rwhitby | rtyler: yes, edit the OPENMOKO_GENERATION variable |
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| 09:44.54 | rwhitby | (it should be self-evident at the top of the file) |
| 09:45.21 | rtyler | methinks I need a newer version of the file >_< |
| 09:46.31 | rtyler | rwhitby: where are you located geographically? |
| 09:46.40 | rwhitby | Adelaide, Australia. |
| 09:46.53 | rwhitby | bbiab (kids to bed) |
| 09:46.56 | rtyler | damnit, alright, next time you're in San Francisco, I owe you a drink at the very least |
| 09:47.05 | rtyler | ScaredyCat: smash it! |
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| 09:48.07 | ScaredyCat | in .2 click the + to give the apps list. Note the first app is 'Calculator' , from the dropdown select one of the other lists... |
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| 09:48.14 | ScaredyCat | click the first item on the list |
| 09:48.26 | ScaredyCat | it'll run 'Calculator' |
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| 09:52.28 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat hmm, the first listentry seems to have problems anyway |
| 09:55.18 | kristian-m | is anyone writing an configuration app for the time until the official config-app is realeased? |
| 09:55.34 | rtyler | definte configuration app? |
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| 09:58.15 | kristian-m | rtyler to set global parameters, volume, backlight, pppoe-config, gsm-provider, bluetooth stuff,... |
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| 10:06.29 | J-23 | hmm... |
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| 10:09.03 | wansti | good morning stefan_schmidt :-) |
| 10:09.11 | stefan_schmidt | hi wansti |
| 10:09.22 | stefan_schmidt | ~lart broken IRC bouncer |
| 10:09.22 | apt | shoves a crumpet down broken IRC bouncer's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? |
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| 10:10.26 | Derbot2 | question: do you know why if i exit an application (ex: web, gtkterm) it leaves a zombie process ? |
| 10:11.30 | rtyler | Derbot2: because OpenMoko embraces the undead :) |
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| 10:12.24 | Derbot2 | rtyler: :), is this a known problem ? |
| 10:13.08 | rtyler | methinks so |
| 10:13.10 | rtyler | bugs me :) |
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| 10:13.39 | Derbot2 | rtyler: i try some straces |
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| 10:15.19 | rtyler | Derbot2: filing bug reports would definitely help, I'd like to see that get fixed as well |
| 10:15.49 | rtyler | anybody using NFS to develop apps? |
| 10:16.01 | Derbot2 | rtyler: ok, i'll try |
| 10:16.07 | rtyler | I'd like to reduce building and then writing new images to SD :/ |
| 10:18.12 | CM | Does anyone know how to force a rebuild of the rootfs? |
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| 10:18.31 | CM | I don't want to rebuild all packages, I just want a new rootfs |
| 10:18.32 | Obri | re |
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| 10:20.27 | Ghiottone | try running make openmoko-devel-image again? |
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| 10:21.37 | rwhitby | CM: -b flag to bitbake to build a single recipe and no dependencies, if that is what you want. |
| 10:21.48 | rwhitby | (see the bitbake manual for details) |
| 10:22.02 | CM | rwhitby: Ok. I'll look |
| 10:22.12 | CM | I did rebuild mrxvt that way |
| 10:22.22 | CM | With some changes to the fonts. And now I want that in the rootfs |
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| 10:34.25 | torpor | | /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtCore |
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| 10:34.49 | torpor | liqt4-x11-free-4.3.0-r5/qt-x11-opensource-src-4.3.0/src/xml' |
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| 10:35.21 | CM | torpor: I built qt4-x11 yesterday with no problem... Strange |
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| 10:46.48 | rtyler | GARGH, recent openembedded patches seem to be broken again |
| 10:46.54 | rtyler | 3 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- rejects in file lib/bb/fetch/svn.py |
| 10:46.54 | rtyler | Patch bitbake-1.6.6-om3.patch does not apply (enforce with -f) |
| 10:46.57 | torpor | fork! |
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| 10:49.38 | rtyler | aw, you'll never get a working OpenMoko phone with that sort of stamina :P |
| 10:49.53 | CM | rtyler: :-P |
| 10:49.57 | torpor | well, you could put ubuntu on it then instead. |
| 10:50.42 | CM | I'm just finding bitbake awfully difficult to figure out, and even if I follow the manuals and such, it doesn't do like the manual says. |
| 10:50.55 | CM | Probably it's me not understanding how it works. |
| 10:51.00 | rtyler | IMHO bitbake sucks |
| 10:51.05 | rtyler | but that's just me :) |
| 10:51.22 | kristian-m | <Tonnerre> Huch |
| 10:51.22 | kristian-m | <ettercat> wtf?! |
| 10:51.22 | kristian-m | <ettercat> Katzen?! |
| 10:51.26 | kristian-m | oops |
| 10:51.32 | CM | And I've tried forever to try to find what actually builds the rootfs. It's not openmoko-devel-image at least.. |
| 10:51.57 | kristian-m | CM bitbake -c rebuild task-base <-- that was what i wanted to paste |
| 10:52.09 | CM | kristian-m: Ah, I'll try that :) |
| 10:52.27 | rwhitby | CM: openmoko-devel-image does build the rootfs. what gets put into it is determined by task-* |
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| 10:52.53 | rwhitby | rtyler: did you type make setup after changing to 2007.2? |
| 10:52.56 | CM | rwhitby: Ah, ok. So task-base might do the trick? |
| 10:53.14 | rtyler | rwhitby: yessir |
| 10:53.30 | rwhitby | rtyler: cause that patch should only be applied to 2007.1 |
| 10:53.37 | kristian-m | CM for me it included the DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS |
| 10:53.38 | CM | I suspect I have to learn how to use quilt now too.. |
| 10:53.43 | rwhitby | your patches dir should have three empty subdirs in it |
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| 10:59.27 | pH5 | mdt: duma-2.5.7 is in OE now |
| 11:00.04 | CM | kristian-m: It didn't work, unfortunately: http://rafb.net/p/EDJGal29.html |
| 11:00.59 | rwhitby | CM: there's something wrong with your setup - you shouldn't be getting those parse errors. |
| 11:01.21 | rwhitby | I've just gone from 2007.2 to 2007.1 and back to 2007.2 in the same directory, with the bitbake cache being rebuilt each time, and no parse errors. |
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| 11:01.38 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Phase_1_Software_Testing]] [[Bluetooth_Connection_Status]] |
| 11:03.59 | torpor | okay |
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| 11:08.31 | rtyler | rwhitby: gotta clean out my previous build dir to free up some space, I'll let you know how my next 'make' goes |
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| 11:26.06 | pH5 | ScaredyCat: I've added the scummvm-0.9.1 openmoko integration to OE, could you check if the default build now behaves like you'd expect? |
| 11:26.33 | ScaredyCat | ahh cool, will do pH5 |
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| 11:31.13 | rtyler | anybody have bluetooth peering working? |
| 11:32.48 | rtyler | hey hey, that's not necessary |
| 11:33.28 | rtyler | heh |
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| 11:34.33 | rtyler | mickeyl: you around? |
| 11:34.41 | mickeyl | yes. what's up? |
| 11:34.55 | rtyler | when do we get to hear about who y'all hired for OpenEmbedded ;) |
| 11:35.02 | kristian-m | rtyler used an bt-keyboard once |
| 11:35.15 | rtyler | kristian-m:huh? |
| 11:35.19 | mickeyl | rtyler: late September |
| 11:35.32 | mickeyl | rtyler: we can't announce until all the paperwork is done |
| 11:35.33 | kristian-m | rtyler bluetooth peered |
| 11:36.02 | rtyler | kristian-m: any tricks to getting things working nicely from the Neo perspective? I can't even get my Mac to recognize it |
| 11:36.07 | rtyler | (scanning bluetooth that is) |
| 11:36.19 | rtyler | mickeyl: I understand, just hassling you while I wait for my images to build :) |
| 11:36.25 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 11:36.59 | rtyler | I was hoping I'd have a name so I could start either working with/or irritating said individual with regards to OE's Mono severely cruddy Mono package :P |
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| 11:37.29 | kristian-m | rtyler from passkey-agent --default 0000 & it was straigt forward - as written in the wiki - i have used the neo as host though |
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| 11:37.57 | ScaredyCat | it's very necessary rtyler .. :/ |
| 11:38.45 | zecke | ljp: ping |
| 11:38.53 | mickeyl | rtyler: said person won't start until October, 1st |
| 11:39.04 | mickeyl | so we are not able to give tasks out anyway |
| 11:39.04 | rtyler | ScaredyCat: which is very necessary? |
| 11:39.17 | torpor | rwhitby: what is your average time-of-bitbake-cache compile like? |
| 11:39.21 | ScaredyCat | stabbing rwhitby |
| 11:39.26 | rtyler | oh, heh |
| 11:39.42 | rwhitby | torpor: slow - I run inside vmware on a laptop |
| 11:39.57 | torpor | ok me too |
| 11:40.25 | torpor | i'm trying to complete at least my first build with 2007.2 since wednesday (with 3 restart/crashes in between.) |
| 11:44.51 | mickeyl | ya, there's still a problem with BitBake on floating SRCDATES |
| 11:44.58 | mickeyl | this will soon be fixed thanks to SRCREV |
| 11:45.14 | mickeyl | if your build crosses the date border, then you have to rebuild some packages manually |
| 11:45.18 | mickeyl | RP: know about that? |
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| 11:50.23 | xzcvczx | rtyler: 1c :P |
| 11:51.00 | rwhitby | rtyler: that was already addressed by sean - the $50 off the price of the GTA01 was the discount, and everyone who bought one got it. |
| 11:51.02 | ScaredyCat | rtyler: no. you got the discount on th e01 |
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| 11:51.43 | xzcvczx | hmmm trust our dollar to crash before the 02 comes out |
| 11:51.59 | ScaredyCat | hasn't it already ? |
| 11:52.22 | ScaredyCat | !google convert 1gbp to usd |
| 11:52.23 | cdbot2 | 1 British pound = 1.9794 U.S. dollars |
| 11:52.40 | xzcvczx | !google 1USD to NZD |
| 11:52.42 | cdbot2 | 1 U.S. dollar = 1.46864444 New Zealand dollars |
| 11:52.42 | jgm | Yeah, if the fed cut interest rates a half a point then watch it dive... |
| 11:52.53 | xzcvczx | !google 1NZD to USD |
| 11:52.55 | cdbot2 | 1 New Zealand dollar = 0.6809 U.S. dollars |
| 11:53.01 | xzcvczx | 68 :( |
| 11:53.27 | rtyler | !google bite me :P |
| 11:53.28 | ScaredyCat | !google convert 1usd to plastic spoons |
| 11:53.28 | cdbot2 | Images @ http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=bite+me+:P&safe=off&lr=lang_all&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi | Electric Venom » Blog Archive » Bite M @ http://www.electricvenom.com/?p=8955%20class=l | Former President Gerald Ford Dies » Nets @ http://news.netscape.com/story/2006/12/26/former-president-gerald-ford-dies/comment/438547%20class=l |
| 11:53.30 | cdbot2 | Did you mean: convert 1 usd to plastic spoons ? | Images @ http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=convert+1usd+to+plastic+spoons&safe=off&lr=lang_all&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi | Recipes - Spiced Venison Steaks with Red @ http://www.moldova.org/retete/eng/95/1410/%20class=l |
| 11:53.34 | rtyler | O_O |
| 11:53.42 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 11:53.46 | ScaredyCat | oops |
| 11:53.51 | zecke | lol |
| 11:54.13 | xzcvczx | muhahaha |
| 11:54.57 | RP | mickeyl: yes, I know about it. I'm hoping it goes partially away with the change to SRCREV |
| 11:55.07 | mickeyl | yep |
| 11:55.21 | zecke | another reason for 48 hour days |
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| 11:55.55 | rtyler | does the Neo support multiple users properly?. |
| 11:55.58 | ScaredyCat | can't have taken long :P |
| 11:57.06 | Stephmw | rtyler: it supports users On and Off, out of the box |
| 11:57.24 | rtyler | mickeyl: do you have any specifications for the OpenMokoFramework that I can start writing wrappers for? :D |
| 11:57.36 | rtyler | Stephmw: want to set me up an account on your phone while I wait for my new images to build? :P |
| 11:57.37 | mickeyl | which kind of wrappers? |
| 11:57.45 | rtyler | mickeyl: think Mono :P |
| 11:57.48 | mickeyl | ah |
| 11:58.00 | mickeyl | well, the only thing OM2007.2 adds on gtk is the finger scroll widget |
| 11:58.08 | mickeyl | right now, that is |
| 11:58.09 | Stephmw | rtyler: I was kidding - no phone here |
| 11:58.52 | rtyler | mickeyl: is there specific list or anything that I can get on to make sure I'm aware of any sort of APIs for application integration? |
| 11:59.11 | mickeyl | rtyler: framework-devel discusses framework API |
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| 11:59.24 | torpor | !google 1EU to 1USD |
| 11:59.25 | cdbot2 | Did you mean: 1EU to 1 USD ? | Images @ http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=1EU+to+1USD&safe=off&lr=lang_all&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi | VietNamNet - Ch đ công tác phí: cn @ http://www.vnn.vn/bandocviet/2005/12/522343/%20class=l |
| 11:59.28 | torpor | !google 1EU to NZD |
| 11:59.29 | cdbot2 | Images @ http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=1EU+to+NZD&safe=off&lr=lang_all&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi | Hotels Blackpool England United Kingdom, @ http://www.onlinehotelguide.com/rlh-uk-en-blackpool-57an/%20class=l | <SUBMISSION> <ACCESSION-NUMBER>000095013 @ http://google.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingOrig1?SessionID=rTpmWLapq0G3fpY&ID=5177624%20class=l |
| 11:59.47 | rtyler | alrigt, let's stop that :D |
| 12:00.46 | torpor | weird. |
| 12:01.10 | ScaredyCat | it's EUR |
| 12:01.13 | ScaredyCat | not EU |
| 12:01.55 | ScaredyCat | unless you are trying to convert the entire EU into UAD |
| 12:01.58 | ScaredyCat | USD |
| 12:02.07 | kristian-m | rtyler maybe a wrapper for libmokogsmd2 would be nice |
| 12:02.09 | RP | mickeyl: Making the srcdates use the persistent store might be one solution |
| 12:02.39 | rtyler | kristian-m: a Mono wrapper, or a lower level wrapper into the lib itself? |
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| 12:04.49 | kristian-m | rtyler wrappers to scripting-languages in general |
| 12:05.26 | rtyler | I hear somebody here's a Python guy too, so we might be able to hook that up |
| 12:06.13 | kristian-m | any idea on this: http://nopaste.eof.name/192 <-- linux_2.6.21.bb failed |
| 12:06.27 | zecke | and needs to redo for OM2007.2 :) |
| 12:06.35 | rtyler | there's PyNeo module? |
| 12:06.47 | mickeyl | linux-2.6.21 is the wrong kernel |
| 12:06.53 | zecke | it is not called that way but mokoui and gsmd where 100% covered |
| 12:06.54 | mickeyl | you better build linux-gta01-2.6.21 |
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| 12:07.06 | kristian-m | mickeyl thx, i'll try |
| 12:07.07 | mickeyl | and you better _not_ mask out random stuff if you don't know what you are doing |
| 12:07.12 | mickeyl | this goes for all uboot haters |
| 12:07.13 | mickeyl | heh |
| 12:07.49 | mickeyl | we want to enhance the framework again a bit anyways |
| 12:07.53 | mickeyl | it's a bit _bare_ atm. |
| 12:07.58 | mickeyl | although some people don't like high level frameworks |
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| 12:08.05 | zecke | hehe |
| 12:08.18 | zecke | mickeyl: My theory is Gtk+ people get paid by LOC |
| 12:08.26 | mickeyl | zecke: hahaha. like the Shanghai guys |
| 12:08.27 | mickeyl | right |
| 12:08.31 | mickeyl | that was so insane |
| 12:08.40 | ScaredyCat | CM: DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS += "nano" in your local.conf |
| 12:08.47 | rtyler | zecke: "paid" I hope to god nobody gets *paid* to fuck up Gtk+ further :P |
| 12:08.48 | zecke | mickeyl: and framework's are a threat to their revenue :) |
| 12:08.56 | mickeyl | right |
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| 12:23.24 | CM | ScaredyCat: Why? Isn't there vi/vim there already? :-P |
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| 12:23.49 | ScaredyCat | yes, but about 2 weeks ago you complained that you could only use nano |
| 12:24.01 | CM | No.. That wasn't me |
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| 12:24.24 | CM | I've always used vim. Did try emacs about 7 years ago, but not since |
| 12:25.11 | ScaredyCat | oh wait.. it was xzcvczx |
| 12:25.21 | ScaredyCat | xzcvczx: DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS += "nano" in your local.conf |
| 12:25.57 | CM | rwhitby: I'll just restart a completely fresh build as usually :-D |
| 12:27.11 | mickeyl | thinking about it |
| 12:27.43 | torpor | | /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtCore |
| 12:27.43 | mickeyl | i like nano as well |
| 12:27.43 | rtyler | rwhitby: sicko :) |
| 12:27.56 | rwhitby | it'll run nicely on the neo too I expect. |
| 12:28.05 | torpor | what to do if a lib hasn't been completed in a prior step? |
| 12:28.09 | mickeyl | some years ago i added zile |
| 12:28.12 | mickeyl | for some emacs lovers |
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| 12:28.17 | mickeyl | that should be fairly similar |
| 12:28.30 | rwhitby | mickeyl: there's nothing like the real thing :-) |
| 12:28.32 | torpor | compiling qt4-x11-free-5.3.0-r5 |
| 12:29.37 | mickeyl | torpor: very strange. might pastebin the complete buildlog for zecke :D |
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| 12:30.07 | zecke | haha |
| 12:30.20 | CM | rwhitby: there's nothing wrong with emacs, but xemacs should be exorcised |
| 12:30.30 | mickeyl | gnight rwhitby |
| 12:32.24 | rtyler | how come applications/ in the SVN tree seems to be so sparse? |
| 12:32.29 | rtyler | like, where the games at yo :P |
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| 12:35.50 | torpor | okay | /home/j/hak/openmoko/build/tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/../../../../arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/bin/ld: cannot find -lQtCore |
| 12:35.54 | torpor | oops sorry. |
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| 12:36.38 | torpor | i did a bitbake clean, fetch, rebuild on uicmoc4 and qmake .. lets see if that gives me qtcore properly. |
| 12:38.51 | kristian-m | CM xemacs is gtk2 now... ;-) |
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| 12:58.13 | torpor | http://rafb.net/p/VTeVNw14.html |
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| 13:01.28 | cayco_ | hi! Anyone had problem with common/linux_list.h? More on: http://pastebin.ca/662485 |
| 13:01.35 | cayco_ | i've seen it on a gsmd-dev list but there was no solution |
| 13:01.53 | torpor | NOTE: Handling BitBake files: \ (2049/4561) [44 %]ERROR: /home/j/hak/openmoko/openembedded/packages/python/python-pyqt_4.3.bb:21: unparsed line: '| sipQtCoreQRectF.cpp:1182: error: no matching function for call to 'QRectF::getRect(double*, double*, double*, double*)'' while parsing /home/j/hak/openmoko/openembedded/packages/python/python-pyqt_4.3.bb |
| 13:01.58 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[MokoConfigurator]] [[User:Hhf423]] [[User_talk:Hhf423]] [[User:Rtyler]] [[External_Feeds]] [[Main_Page]] |
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| 13:07.46 | mickeyl | torpor: yep. pyqt is broken atm. |
| 13:07.55 | mickeyl | torpor: but not OE fault |
| 13:07.58 | torpor | i see |
| 13:08.00 | mickeyl | either TT or upstream |
| 13:08.05 | mickeyl | i don't have time atm. to look into it |
| 13:08.17 | torpor | well i guess i'll look at it .. i'm just trying to do prefetch before i get off the net .. |
| 13:08.18 | mickeyl | but eventually i want it to work |
| 13:08.21 | mickeyl | that would be cool |
| 13:08.26 | mickeyl | i have added some notes into the .bb |
| 13:08.32 | torpor | yeah saw them |
| 13:08.34 | mickeyl | k |
| 13:09.05 | torpor | is it normal form to break the .bb parse when somethingis borked? |
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| 13:10.26 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2740 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod/buttonactions: add menu item for toggling portrait/landscape |
| 13:10.36 | mickeyl | torpor: no |
| 13:10.47 | mickeyl | perhaps i broke the .bb file |
| 13:10.49 | torpor | ok |
| 13:10.53 | mickeyl | oh yes i did |
| 13:10.56 | mickeyl | ~lart me |
| 13:10.56 | apt | executes killall -KILL mickeyl |
| 13:10.58 | torpor | i've de-broked it and done my prefetch-sources |
| 13:11.04 | mickeyl | k |
| 13:11.14 | torpor | i still don't get this QtCore issue tho. |
| 13:11.20 | mickeyl | yes, this is strange |
| 13:11.27 | mickeyl | like i said, pastebin the complete log and lets have a look |
| 13:12.19 | torpor | i did. |
| 13:12.25 | torpor | http://rafb.net/p/VTeVNw14.html |
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| 13:14.23 | mickeyl | torpor: please post a pastebin of a complete bitbake -c rebuild qt4-x11 |
| 13:14.38 | mickeyl | i need to see the full configure and compile log |
| 13:14.53 | mickeyl | e.g. temp/log.do_configure.<pid> |
| 13:15.01 | mickeyl | likewise temp/log.do_compile.<pid> |
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| 13:15.25 | torpor | ok |
| 13:15.46 | torpor | i'll do that, but i'll try not to bother you with it if i can work it out myself as well .. |
| 13:17.42 | cayco_ | so maybe someone knows how to get rid of no linux_list.h error while compiling openmoko-libs? |
| 13:17.46 | torpor | | arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-g++: No such file or directory |
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| 13:21.17 | kristian-m | cayco_ i copyed the common directory to somewhere in the path - thought it was my setup though... |
| 13:21.57 | cayco_ | kristian-m: thanks, I'm starting to hack it myself, although AFAIK it's not only your and mine problem |
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| 13:22.07 | cayco_ | someone on the gsmd list also had it |
| 13:22.36 | kristian-m | there should be the right -I option set |
| 13:23.28 | pH5 | kristian-m, cayco_: linux_list.h is internal to gsmd and should not be included at all |
| 13:23.47 | pH5 | the #include <common/linux_list.h> in gsmd/usock.h is inside an #ifdef __GSMD__ |
| 13:24.04 | pH5 | unfortunately I can't reproduce this error, here everything works just fine. |
| 13:24.49 | cayco_ | pH5: so if we undefine __GSMD__ everything should be ok? |
| 13:25.03 | kristian-m | pH5 http://nopaste.eof.name/193 |
| 13:25.12 | pH5 | cayco_: yes, though I don't understand why it is defined at all. that should only happen while building gsmd itself. |
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| 13:25.55 | cayco_ | pH5: do you want configure log or smth to fix it? |
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| 13:27.35 | cayco_ | i have this error in libmokogsmd: http://pastebin.ca/663299 |
| 13:28.13 | cayco_ | kristian-m had it in libmokogsmd2 |
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| 13:30.10 | cayco_ | pH5: in mine usock.h there is no __GSMD__ |
| 13:30.49 | cayco_ | pH5: http://pastebin.ca/663303 |
| 13:30.54 | cayco_ | weird |
| 13:32.23 | pH5 | cayco_: weird indeed. |
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| 13:39.30 | cayco_ | pH5: kristian-m: it didn't helped: http://pastebin.ca/663314 smth is seriously f*cked up... |
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| 13:40.32 | kristian-m | yea it's actually using the list there |
| 13:41.13 | pH5 | uh, LaF0rge should clarify that. so it looks like we have to install the linux_list header. |
| 13:41.30 | torpor | okay i'm giving up.. |
| 13:41.35 | torpor | i cannot complete 2007.2 Makefile |
| 13:41.48 | torpor | so no moko hacking for me this week. gotta get things working on another platform. |
| 13:41.55 | torpor | later |
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| 13:44.26 | zecke | mickeyl: why was he trying to cross compile Qt? |
| 13:45.04 | mickeyl | no idea |
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| 13:46.48 | cayco_ | pH5: kristian-m, I posted some feedback on gsmd-devl list, hope it helps... |
| 13:46.56 | cayco_ | thx, for your time! |
| 13:47.22 | pH5 | cayco_: great |
| 13:48.44 | jserv2 | ouch. it seems to be my fault. |
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| 13:52.27 | ScaredyCat | pH5: is it me or is there no audio on that version of scummvm ? |
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| 13:56.02 | mickeyl | !ombug 681 |
| 13:56.04 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 681, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 13:56.05 | cdbot2 | * * bradpitcher(AT)gmail.com: the gsmhandset.state file has the volume turned up too high, causing feedback |
| 13:56.06 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=681 |
| 13:59.21 | pH5 | ScaredyCat: no, it has sound. maybe we have to start it with -e alsa, I don't know how to change the default configuration |
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| 14:05.27 | mbuf | in GtkTreeViewColumn two column output, like here, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Look_%26_Feel#Filter_Menu, there is no horizontal scroll bar? |
| 14:06.08 | pH5 | ScaredyCat: the F5 remapping doesn't work, though, because neod snatches that key away from us before it reaches scummvm |
| 14:06.38 | ScaredyCat | keep f5 pressed. |
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| 14:07.05 | ScaredyCat | if you're lucky it stays there, but if not it goes to the task manager.. |
| 14:07.20 | pH5 | heh. if I keep it pressed, it starts the dialer |
| 14:07.22 | ScaredyCat | so select it and then go back to scummvm and the menu should be there.. |
| 14:07.39 | pH5 | we'd need some way to ask neod to pretty please give up that key for a while |
| 14:07.43 | ScaredyCat | I think the audio was my issue... |
| 14:07.54 | ScaredyCat | it isn;t making the boot sound any more... |
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| 14:13.15 | kristian-m | if would be nice if there was some configuration data programmed to tell the color of the casing, maybe by usb-id... |
| 14:13.43 | raster | why? |
| 14:13.48 | raster | for icons? |
| 14:14.15 | raster | (on the desktop/pc side)? |
| 14:14.37 | kristian-m | yes |
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| 14:16.13 | raster | currently the moko0 only pops up as ausb network device |
| 14:16.32 | raster | unless u want the nfs or whatever mount over that to have the icon? |
| 14:16.35 | raster | in reality |
| 14:16.45 | raster | your pc needs to be pre-configured to know its a moko phone at all |
| 14:16.49 | raster | and thus the icon to use |
| 14:16.52 | raster | and frankly |
| 14:16.56 | raster | the number of phones out there |
| 14:16.57 | raster | is huge |
| 14:17.02 | raster | so the best way to do this |
| 14:17.07 | raster | is if u have a mounted fs |
| 14:17.10 | raster | etiehr usb storage |
| 14:17.13 | raster | or nfs or whatever |
| 14:17.21 | raster | we have a standard like .icon.desktop |
| 14:17.24 | raster | in the base of the fs |
| 14:17.36 | raster | filemanager can mount - check for file, if exists - find icon on the fs itself |
| 14:17.38 | raster | display that |
| 14:17.41 | raster | unmount again |
| 14:17.51 | raster | thus any mountable fs can ship its own icon |
| 14:17.54 | raster | ... |
| 14:17.55 | raster | if it wants to |
| 14:18.04 | kristian-m | aeh, okay... |
| 14:18.34 | raster | but then you4r desktop fm would need to support something like that |
| 14:18.40 | kristian-m | nice idea - but i want to offer options to the bootloader as well, anyway, it was just an idea |
| 14:18.56 | raster | personally - i just have mine able to define a custom icon per removable volume |
| 14:18.59 | raster | thus set it up once |
| 14:19.01 | raster | and forget |
| 14:19.01 | raster | :) |
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| 14:20.41 | kristian-m | raster i was thinking in an application - something like itunes |
| 14:21.30 | thomasg | raster, already got e running on the neo? |
| 14:23.10 | raster | thomasg: no - om build was broken last week |
| 14:23.15 | raster | but no reason i t wont run |
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| 14:23.25 | raster | i'm busy adding all the things that will make it a viable ui for the moko |
| 14:23.33 | raster | and i dont need to get it running on the om for that |
| 14:24.57 | rxr | raster: do you actually got a neo ? |
| 14:25.18 | raster | yes |
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| 14:29.16 | rxr | raster: I just noticed the Evas polygone does not support anti aliasing, or does it in latest trunk ? |
| 14:29.39 | raster | nup |
| 14:29.40 | raster | it doesnt |
| 14:29.44 | raster | mainly because i never use them |
| 14:29.50 | raster | and thus... never bothered |
| 14:30.05 | rxr | ah, ok - so I |
| 14:30.12 | rxr | 'm glad the rest works at all .-) |
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| 14:30.41 | raster | :) |
| 14:30.41 | raster | yeah |
| 14:30.41 | raster | it can be buggy |
| 14:30.42 | raster | stuff i have there for completeness |
| 14:30.44 | raster | but dont use |
| 14:30.46 | raster | can have bugs |
| 14:30.58 | rtyler | hrm, I should have probably taken a nap while this damned build ran |
| 14:31.00 | rxr | yeah - used the polygone for the first time just now as well , ... |
| 14:31.00 | raster | stuff i use all the time (core stuff) |
| 14:31.05 | raster | is generally very much devoid of bugs |
| 14:31.22 | raster | one day i want it anti-aliased |
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| 14:31.27 | mickeyl | :) |
| 14:31.29 | raster | as well as having bezier curve objects |
| 14:31.35 | raster | and other complex vdector objects |
| 14:31.35 | mickeyl | hmm beziers.... |
| 14:31.39 | raster | with funky fills |
| 14:31.40 | raster | but |
| 14:31.48 | raster | i have yet to have a real need for them |
| 14:31.51 | raster | thus - on the back burner |
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| 14:33.53 | raster | right now i'm focused not on that bit |
| 14:33.56 | raster | but on the wm |
| 14:34.07 | raster | been moving stuff to modules so its replacable with custom versions |
| 14:34.12 | raster | for "low res screens" |
| 14:34.20 | rxr | yeah - all fine, I only noticed the polyline alasing today, so ... |
| 14:34.21 | raster | adding the start of a wizard now |
| 14:34.23 | raster | for setup |
| 14:34.32 | raster | nb |
| 14:34.36 | raster | the aliasing is engine-dependent |
| 14:34.42 | raster | the xrender engine does aa polys and lines |
| 14:34.49 | raster | but its image scaling is much suckier |
| 14:34.53 | rxr | oh - good to know |
| 14:35.06 | raster | evas kind of leaves all that stuff up to the engine |
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| 14:38.23 | rxr | raster: something else that I wondered about (aside that this probable belongs to #e17 or so :-) did you notice a developer / user gain of E17 since Yellow Dog shipped it as default in their latest PS3 release ? |
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| 14:41.27 | raster | rxr: i don't know |
| 14:41.34 | raster | we don't track user stats |
| 14:41.44 | raster | nothing major enough that i saw it |
| 14:41.46 | raster | but it could have |
| 14:41.48 | raster | just not visible |
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| 14:44.38 | raster | eventually i would love to track user count |
| 14:44.40 | raster | at least roughly |
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| 15:02.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Cray]] [[User_talk:Vlad]] [[Neo1973/ru]] |
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| 15:24.04 | beardousa | Have you guys found any decent options for GPS navigation software? |
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| 15:38.41 | beardousa | Do you think the faster CPU and USB 2.0 on the next version will enable it to decode Apple Lossless tracks from a USB HD, replicate it to 6 channels and send them on to a USB sound card? Or is that still too much to ask of it? |
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| 15:39.43 | zecke | if you don't need realtime and don't care that the battery will be empty quite fast, sure |
| 15:39.51 | _stefan_schmidt | beardousa: No USB2.0 on GTA02 |
| 15:39.59 | _stefan_schmidt | hi zecke |
| 15:40.08 | beardousa | Oh, I thought I read it would have USB 2.0 |
| 15:40.12 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 15:40.22 | zecke | _stefan_schmidt: hey |
| 15:40.23 | zecke | brb |
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| 15:40.32 | beardousa | zecke: I'd only be doing that while docked in my car |
| 15:40.48 | beardousa | so, no battery worries |
| 15:41.44 | SpeedEvil | probably not 6 channels. |
| 15:41.51 | SpeedEvil | Certainly not in fact. |
| 15:42.01 | SpeedEvil | Not at 44k1*16 bit anyway |
| 15:42.13 | beardousa | So what specs would you estimate I'm waiting for? |
| 15:42.20 | SpeedEvil | Lossleess in a car is silly IMO. |
| 15:42.52 | SpeedEvil | Unless you habitually listen to it in a silent windless environment with the engine off. |
| 15:44.01 | beardousa | Assuming I'm not doing any manipulation to the audio outside of independent volume adjustments |
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| 15:45.23 | beardousa | A CPU with more cache? |
| 15:45.38 | SpeedEvil | No. You're limited on USB bus bandwidth |
| 15:45.54 | beardousa | oh |
| 15:46.03 | beardousa | so there's still no timeline for USB 2.0 |
| 15:46.06 | SpeedEvil | 6*44100*2 = about 1/2 of the theoretical bandwidth. |
| 15:46.55 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 15:47.07 | SpeedEvil | And then you've got the reading to add into that. |
| 15:47.13 | SpeedEvil | It may work some of the time. |
| 15:47.22 | beardousa | These reckless online journalists, getting me excited with their misinformation... |
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| 15:48.51 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 15:52.17 | Kosake | beardousa, can you gimme some examples? |
| 15:52.33 | beardousa | of articles with incorrect information about the phone? |
| 15:52.44 | Kosake | yeah |
| 15:53.08 | beardousa | I didn't bookmark any articles |
| 15:53.14 | beardousa | but I'm sure I saw one that said it would have USB 2.0 |
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| 15:54.22 | Kosake | hmm, though it has USB1.1 |
| 15:55.26 | _stefan_schmidt | To clarify it once again: GTA02 will have USB1.1 |
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| 15:58.21 | Kosake | personally i dislike the repetative comparison between Neo and iPhone |
| 15:59.24 | anrp | there's no comparison, really D: |
| 16:00.24 | rxr | hm ? |
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| 16:03.51 | Kosake | anrp, i meant the press. but i guess it was a joke |
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| 16:08.16 | beardousa | Time for me to leave then. Until the next false alarm... |
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| 16:10.34 | cesarb | Great, I just found out UPS doesn't work on weekends |
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| 16:12.09 | cjb | depends whether you pay for next-day or next-business-day. |
| 16:13.31 | cesarb | cjb: no, according to its website, it actually does not work on weekends and holidays: http://www.ups.com/content/br/pt/resources/service/support/operation.html |
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| 16:14.18 | cesarb | cjb: their 0800 number (and their local number too) gives me only a busy sign |
| 16:15.04 | cesarb | cjb: I could understand not delivering on weekends, but not answering the phone? |
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| 17:00.16 | VinS | дарова |
| 17:01.58 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Splash_screen]] [[Dfu-util]] [[MokoMakefile]] |
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| 17:16.34 | mbuf | for an application similar to the openmoko-contacts (has two columns, name and phone number), how do i add a horizontal scroll bar to it? should it be done in GtkTreeModel? newbie here to GTK+ |
| 17:17.25 | zecke | mbuf: TreeModel is just a model :) |
| 17:17.36 | pH5 | mbuf: scrolledview |
| 17:18.00 | zecke | good behaviour :) |
| 17:18.29 | pH5 | zecke: he's off to implement, based on our suggestions |
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| 17:18.43 | pH5 | or not |
| 17:18.44 | mbuf | ok |
| 17:18.47 | zecke | mbuf: are you done yet? |
| 17:19.01 | mbuf | zecke, done what? sorry got disconnected |
| 17:19.12 | mbuf | zecke, i saw the scrolled pane part |
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| 17:20.07 | zecke | GtkTreeModel is a model, GtkTreeView is a view, and IIRC you can place that in a GtkScrolledWindow or MokoFingerScroll |
| 17:20.38 | mbuf | zecke, thanks |
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| 17:21.31 | zecke | GtkScrolledWindow will show scrollbars, MokoFingerScroll will only show a vertical indicator but you can scroll in both directions |
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| 17:23.11 | mbuf | zecke, i was using openmoko-stylus-demo/src/demo-main.c as an example, it uses MokoScrolledPane, but, i get vertical scrollbar, maybe i should set some parameter |
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| 17:23.35 | zecke | mbuf: or just use OM2007.2 ;) |
| 17:25.00 | mbuf | zecke, hehe; i will get there, sure; but, i am working on something which i would like to finish first, and then move to it :) |
| 17:25.26 | zecke | and you are right MokoScrolledPane will not show horizontal scrollbars |
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| 17:27.56 | pH5 | zecke: I was thinking of building a simple mokofinger-scrolled image viewer - is there an easy way to stop gtk from updating while moving around ui elements (paging in and out image thumbnails)? |
| 17:28.27 | zecke | pH5: updating as in drawing? |
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| 17:29.21 | Writchie | AT&T is cripling gps on Blackberry Phones http://blackberrycool.com/2007/08/16/005386/ |
| 17:30.08 | zecke | pH5: I think you want to reimplement the expose event? disable double buffering on your window (or better control it yourself) |
| 17:30.34 | zecke | pH5: connect to the GtkAdjustments and hide/show your widget before scrolling takes place |
| 17:30.43 | pH5 | zecke: yes. I have a scrollview with a hbox and multiple images and I want to add/remove images and change the scroll adjustment to wrap around |
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| 17:32.06 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03alphaone * r2741 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 17:32.06 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-19 Daniel Willmann <daniel@totalueberwachung.de> |
| 17:32.06 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-sound.{c,h}: Created functions to switch the audio profiles |
| 17:32.06 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am, src/moko-talking.c: Switch audio profiles when |
| 17:32.06 | CIA-20 | openmoko: accepting/initiating or cancelling a call |
| 17:34.08 | jeddy3 | anyone having troubles buildning linux in OE? |
| 17:34.12 | jeddy3 | (2007.2) |
| 17:34.40 | alphaone | jeddy3: linux? |
| 17:35.18 | alphaone | jeddy you mean the package with the name linux, i.e. the kernel? |
| 17:35.43 | jeddy3 | alphaone, linux-2.6.21-r5 |
| 17:35.50 | jeddy3 | alphaone, yes, the package |
| 17:36.30 | zecke | pH5: I still need to see Gtk+ code, but I think I had a similiar issue with GtkLayout and static backgrounds |
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| 17:37.09 | alphaone | jeddy3: You should be building linux-gta01_2.6.21.5.bb |
| 17:37.19 | alphaone | not the plain linux.. |
| 17:37.24 | zecke | pH5: I think you don't want to use a GtkHBox, implement your own GtkContainer, impelement the set_adjustment signal (see GtkWidget documentation or gtklayout.c) |
| 17:37.53 | jeddy3 | alphaone, it's not me deciding to build it =) ...mokomakefile :P |
| 17:38.35 | pH5 | zecke: thanks, I'll look at that. |
| 17:38.46 | alphaone | !ombug 716 |
| 17:38.47 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 716, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 17:38.47 | cdbot2 | * * cwixon(AT)usa.net: BBMASK="uboot" results in attempt to build wrong kernel + failure |
| 17:38.49 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=716 |
| 17:39.35 | alphaone | jeddy3: You're not having that same problem, are you? |
| 17:40.04 | jeddy3 | alphaone, yes, excactly |
| 17:40.26 | alphaone | zecke: I recovered your sweatshirt btw. Want me to send it to you? |
| 17:41.35 | zecke | pH5: e.g. if it is doing a gdk_window_move you lost and it will copy the content (unless you unmap/map before the gdk_window_move) |
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| 17:42.52 | zecke | alphaone: well, she can keep it... if she doesn't want it you can give it to me the next time we meet |
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| 17:44.07 | pH5 | bbl |
| 17:44.20 | alphaone | zecke: Okay |
| 17:44.40 | zecke | whatever that means :) |
| 17:45.26 | alphaone | zecke: ;-) |
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| 17:47.27 | zecke | that is my sense of karma and buddhism |
| 17:47.50 | zecke | bbl |
| 17:48.26 | alphaone | cu |
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| 17:50.09 | jeddy3 | alphaone, yeah that seems to solve it, thanks! |
| 17:50.20 | alphaone | jeddy3: cool |
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| 17:55.09 | J-23 | good night! |
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| 18:10.57 | hhf423 | hi all |
| 18:11.51 | hhf423 | what really pi**es me off is that I have to remove the battery every now and then to be able to start the phone again |
| 18:12.41 | sagacis | hhf423: That's a feature |
| 18:12.45 | hhf423 | hmm, looks like even that does not help anymore. Neo dead |
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| 18:20.40 | hhf423 | awww, shucks |
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| 18:24.46 | Ghiottone | try to keep it with battery on attached to a pc. It happened to me too and this worked. |
| 18:25.00 | Ghiottone | after 10-20 minutes it should start again |
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| 18:26.56 | hhf423 | I though if I'd let it charge over nigh on a usb charger that should do it, but it doesnt |
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| 18:38.57 | hhf423 | re |
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| 18:39.47 | Ghiottone | I read somewhere that it has to be a computer to charge the neo. Sometimes usb chargers did not work because they only provide voltage to the usb port and don't do any usb protocol thing |
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| 18:39.58 | Ghiottone | that is needed for the neo to switch to charge mode |
| 18:39.59 | hhf423 | yes, I know |
| 18:40.14 | hhf423 | but the Neo should always charge with 100mA even on a dumb charger |
| 18:40.27 | Writchie | no it charges at 40 - 50 ma |
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| 18:40.33 | hhf423 | a real USB host in only required for 500 mA fast charge |
| 18:40.47 | mjr | hhf423, did you first make sure that there's no component on-line by popping a battery for like 10 seconds before having it charge overnight? |
| 18:40.55 | Writchie | and if the gsm is on part of that will go to the battery |
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| 18:41.08 | hhf423 | mjr: thats what I am not sure about anymore :-) |
| 18:41.27 | mjr | (and yeah it's a bit inconvenient...) |
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| 18:43.53 | mjr | One hopes they can do better empty battery recovery for the consumer model. |
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| 18:45.12 | cesarb | mjr: IIRC, on GTA02 the GSM modem is behind the main PMU, so the you shouldn't have to remove the battery to make sure it's off |
| 18:45.43 | mjr | that is an improvement |
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| 18:46.50 | Writchie | cesarb: that's not too good to hear |
| 18:48.12 | cesarb | Writchie: I can't recall where I read that, so I'm not totally sure |
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| 18:48.42 | cesarb | Writchie: (and it could be "behind" as in "behind a FET toggled by the PMU", so if that's the case it wouldn't have any disadvantages) |
| 18:48.49 | hhf423 | hmm, what is happening if cu says line in use? |
| 18:48.50 | Writchie | if its no longer connected to the battery, it will be like started over with regards to radio performance and emi |
| 18:49.20 | Writchie | in any case, it is what it is |
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| 18:59.09 | hhf423 | cu: /dev/ttyACM0: Line in use |
| 18:59.18 | hhf423 | why is that i wonder |
| 18:59.59 | mbuf | hhf423, lsof | grep ttyACM |
| 19:00.46 | hhf423 | mbuf: GIVES NOTHING |
| 19:00.52 | hhf423 | sorry |
| 19:00.56 | hhf423 | capslock |
| 19:01.25 | mbuf | hhf423, was wondering if something has locked it |
| 19:01.35 | hhf423 | me too |
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| 19:02.17 | torpor | grz. |
| 19:02.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Talk:MacOS_X]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] |
| 19:03.15 | hhf423 | awww |
| 19:03.49 | hhf423 | root@hhf-desktop:~# cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 19:03.50 | hhf423 | cu: open (/dev/ttyACM0): Permission denied |
| 19:03.52 | hhf423 | cu: /dev/ttyACM0: Line in use |
| 19:03.57 | hhf423 | I do not get it |
| 19:04.59 | mbuf | hhf423, desktop? what are you trying to do? |
| 19:05.19 | hhf423 | thsta just the name of the system |
| 19:05.25 | hhf423 | hhf-desktop |
| 19:07.57 | Ghiottone | I was trying to make a panel applet that will permit to rotate the desktop. what should be the best way to do it? |
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| 19:09.15 | pH5 | re |
| 19:09.26 | woglinde | he ph5 |
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| 19:09.41 | pH5 | hej woglinde |
| 19:10.14 | goxboxlive | hhf423: we hacve the same issue on universal with CU. It helps to 'chown root.root /dev/ttyACM0' |
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| 19:12.40 | xkr47 | chpwn |
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| 19:15.06 | fgau | hhf423: moin, chgrp root /dev/ttyACM0 |
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| 19:21.05 | CM | aloril: Maybe we should move the buying intrest list for P1's to another page and just have the Mass market ones there? |
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| 19:37.40 | rtm_ | Does anyone know how to get the terminal keyboard with 2007.2? The little white box is nowhere to be found. |
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| 19:39.18 | jeddy3 | rtm_, you have to start input manager first |
| 19:39.33 | rtm_ | Oh - how does one do that?" |
| 19:39.42 | jeddy3 | rtm_, in the kinetic scrollbar |
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| 19:41.05 | jeddy3 | rtm_, under "utilities" |
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| 19:43.21 | DukeOfURL | is it necessary to have dbus-native to make openmoko-devel-image? where can I find it? |
| 19:43.36 | rtm_ | jeddy3 - Thanks! |
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| 19:43.51 | woglinde | DukeOfURL you nee dbus-native to build dbus |
| 19:44.25 | DukeOfURL | is it part of OE? |
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| 19:46.19 | jeddy3 | rtm_, np :) |
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| 19:52.43 | rtm_ | With 2007.2, I cannot execute my home-brew application. I get "-sh: xxxx: not found" the image is definately there, and has execute permission. Has anyone seen that problem? |
| 19:53.55 | Writchie | rtm: sounds like its not in the path - try ./your_app |
| 19:54.00 | ljp | 2007.2 uses EABI |
| 19:54.10 | ljp | did you recompile it? |
| 19:54.16 | rtm_ | I tried that - it doesn't help. |
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| 19:54.39 | rtm_ | 2op "No, I didn't recompile - are 2007.1 images incompatible with 2007.2? |
| 19:54.47 | Writchie | no |
| 19:55.00 | Writchie | you need to recompile to get EABI images |
| 19:55.27 | rtm_ | Thanks for the info. |
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| 20:14.00 | Zitune | 9*9**Hello |
| 20:14.06 | Zitune | good night :) |
| 20:14.10 | Zitune | (or day) |
| 20:14.31 | Zitune | is someone sucess to make openmoko run under Xoo ???? |
| 20:16.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2742 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: gsmd: also allow ERROR as answer for the alive timer. |
| 20:18.20 | Zitune | under Xoo or what ever (just not the Neo) |
| 20:18.26 | pH5 | mickeyl: good one |
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| 20:18.39 | mickeyl | pH5: :) |
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| 20:18.50 | mickeyl | pH5: i fear all of this won't help much |
| 20:18.55 | mickeyl | the modem is still flakey as hell :/ |
| 20:19.01 | mickeyl | really a showstopper for the snapshot |
| 20:22.55 | ljp | do you need the alive timer? |
| 20:23.49 | mickeyl | yes. otherwise there is no failure detection |
| 20:24.03 | alphaone | Well, the alive timer failing is just a symptom |
| 20:24.07 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 20:24.11 | alphaone | Not the cause of the problem |
| 20:24.28 | pH5 | mickeyl: what I don't like is that the UI doesn't immediately notice when gsmd dies. |
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| 20:25.04 | mickeyl | pH5: agreed. there should be a callback for that |
| 20:25.06 | pH5 | i.e. something killed gsmd, but the applet still happily shows two bars. |
| 20:25.27 | hhf423 | say, does 2007.2 not have /etc/alsa ? |
| 20:25.41 | pH5 | is it the modem that is flakey, or is it just gsmd? |
| 20:25.57 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: Until you choose modem power up in the applet, then the whole panel crashes. ;) |
| 20:26.06 | hhf423 | ah, no, all is in /etc directly |
| 20:26.24 | pH5 | stefan_schmidt: right, that's immediate :) |
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| 20:27.03 | mickeyl | how about the initial command? |
| 20:27.08 | mickeyl | does that need to return OK? |
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| 20:28.12 | Zitune | i don't want seem desperate ... but ... i am :) |
| 20:28.21 | pH5 | the initial command being ATE0V1? it should, otherwise something's wrong already. |
| 20:28.33 | Zitune | i m under Xoo and openmoko don't find the icons |
| 20:28.34 | alphaone | pH5: It's AT now |
| 20:28.49 | pH5 | ah, AT returns ERROR on the gta01bv4 firmware. |
| 20:28.54 | pH5 | ~lart TI |
| 20:28.54 | apt | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at TI |
| 20:28.58 | alphaone | And for some reason it returns ERROR |
| 20:29.10 | alphaone | pH5: But not if I connect via cu |
| 20:29.12 | mickeyl | pH5: yeah. the latest commit completely broke gtsmd |
| 20:29.23 | mickeyl | so what should we do with it? |
| 20:29.51 | alphaone | which lets me think it's some sort of timing issue.. |
| 20:30.42 | anrp | 'AT\r' -> 'ERROR' ? |
| 20:30.49 | anrp | that's .. a bit fucked up |
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| 20:31.42 | SpeedEvil | depends what's been last sent. |
| 20:31.52 | SpeedEvil | if it's already had A sent to it for example. |
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| 20:32.31 | anrp | mm, that's true |
| 20:32.39 | anrp | guess what i meant to say was '\rAT\r' |
| 20:32.53 | anrp | that .. should work |
| 20:34.09 | mickeyl | i also don't know why the initial command gets sent twice |
| 20:34.12 | mickeyl | Sun Aug 19 20:33:29 2007 <1> atcmd.c:545:atcmd_submit() submitting command `AT' |
| 20:34.22 | mickeyl | which imo later leads to an error like: |
| 20:34.31 | mickeyl | Sun Aug 19 20:33:30 2007 <1> atcmd.c:210:ml_parse() buf=`OK'(2) |
| 20:34.31 | mickeyl | Sun Aug 19 20:33:30 2007 <5> atcmd.c:404:ml_parse() command without cb!!! |
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| 20:38.12 | alphaone | gnarl, I just need a somewhat working gsmd to test ringtone looping |
| 20:38.59 | jbl__ | the qemu developer image dosent seems to respond wery well on mouse clicks and its quite hard to controle by keyboard |
| 20:39.11 | jbl__ | I'm running it on Feisty |
| 20:39.53 | jbl__ | It's that normal? |
| 20:42.50 | anrp | computer specs? |
| 20:43.39 | jbl__ | Thinkpad T60 but i get the exact same behaviour on my stationary pc. |
| 20:43.57 | jbl__ | It's got danish keybord layout |
| 20:44.24 | jbl__ | Using MokoMakefile 2007.2 |
| 20:44.34 | anrp | oh, mm |
| 20:44.55 | jbl__ | qemu dosen't respond to mouse clicks at all |
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| 20:45.14 | anrp | does qemu grab the mouse when you click on it? |
| 20:45.52 | jbl__ | yeah when the pointer is over the qemu windows it turns into a black arrow |
| 20:45.54 | Jiten | jbl__: tried keeping the mouse button down for a bit? |
| 20:47.01 | hhf423 | amazing |
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| 20:47.26 | jbl__ | Jiten: holding the button down for two seconds gives sound but no action |
| 20:47.33 | pH5 | mickeyl: the first is the firstcmd, the second is the first alive ping |
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| 20:47.38 | hhf423 | but why is it that gsmhandset.state is not set by default? |
| 20:47.54 | mickeyl | pH5: right. so the first is wrong anyways |
| 20:48.04 | mickeyl | hhf423: perhaps you want to hear the ringing tone? |
| 20:48.05 | Zitune | can you say where openmoko search icns in the chroot env ? |
| 20:48.17 | kristian-m | jbl__ press ctrl and alt, when qemu has the focus |
| 20:48.32 | mickeyl | pH5: the second one fires too early IMO. the first alive timer should not fire up before the first alive interval has passed |
| 20:48.39 | pH5 | mickeyl: somehow this works out (a little) better for those machines where gsmd can wait for the "AT command interpreter ready" message in the beginning |
| 20:48.43 | hhf423 | mickeyl: I'd very much like to hear the rining tone, but I so far could never get the Neo to accept calls |
| 20:48.47 | pH5 | mickeyl: agreed |
| 20:49.14 | hhf423 | mickeyl: when gsmhandset.state is set, I would not hear the ringing tone? |
| 20:49.24 | mickeyl | hhf423: correct. |
| 20:49.32 | Zitune | DISPLAY=:1 |
| 20:49.32 | Zitune | LANG=C |
| 20:49.32 | Zitune | HOME=/home/root |
| 20:49.32 | Zitune | export DISPLAY LANG HOME |
| 20:49.41 | Zitune | OUPS SORRY |
| 20:49.48 | Zitune | wrong window |
| 20:50.13 | mickeyl | pH5: any idea about that Sun Aug 19 20:47:31 2007 <5> atcmd.c:404:ml_parse() command without cb!!! |
| 20:50.14 | mickeyl | ? |
| 20:50.38 | mickeyl | that means the mapping between sent commands and received answers gets lost |
| 20:50.41 | hhf423 | mickeyl: fair enough, but vibration works |
| 20:50.42 | mickeyl | or does it? |
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| 20:51.30 | hhf423 | mickeyl: which alsa profile will give me ring tone and the ability to talk to and hear the one who calls me? |
| 20:51.48 | hhf423 | this is not a phone, this is a adventure game! |
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| 20:51.51 | mickeyl | hhf423: none. the system has to switch |
| 20:52.03 | mickeyl | standard mode is stereoout |
| 20:52.05 | mickeyl | a call comes in |
| 20:52.07 | mickeyl | ring |
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| 20:52.11 | mickeyl | you accept |
| 20:52.14 | mickeyl | changing profile |
| 20:52.18 | mickeyl | you hang up |
| 20:52.20 | mickeyl | changing profile back |
| 20:52.37 | hhf423 | mickeyl: I see, but that does not seem to work, does it? |
| 20:52.46 | mickeyl | build the latest dialer |
| 20:52.51 | Zitune | please someone help me with my **** icons |
| 20:53.00 | Zitune | there are in /usr/share/ ... |
| 20:53.03 | jbl__ | kristian-m: thanks, the mouse is "grabed" but qemu now but I get the same behavior. Sound but no action |
| 20:53.08 | Zitune | but it doesn't see it |
| 20:53.17 | Zitune | i just need a clue |
| 20:53.23 | hhf423 | mickeyl: I am not set up to build my own stuff yet. should a nightly build work? |
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| 20:53.39 | mickeyl | no |
| 20:53.43 | mickeyl | wait for the snapshot tomorrow |
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| 20:54.25 | _alcik_ | Zitune: and restart doesnt help? |
| 20:54.37 | Zitune | no |
| 20:54.44 | stefan_schmidt | ~lart irc |
| 20:54.44 | apt | nukes irc with a single large nuke |
| 20:55.08 | _alcik_ | Zitune: it helped me :-) |
| 20:55.09 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: hey :) |
| 20:55.20 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: hey |
| 20:55.38 | wansti | zecke, stefan_schmidt: hey :-) |
| 20:55.54 | stefan_schmidt | hey wansti |
| 20:56.02 | Zitune | _alcik_ what do u call a reboot under Xoo ? |
| 20:56.33 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: to confuse you more I started to walk the "noble eightfold path", e.g. not wanting my sweatshirt back (not as you think because it is tainted...) |
| 20:56.44 | zecke | wansti: hey, how are you? |
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| 20:56.52 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: this is always bug #1 |
| 20:57.06 | pH5 | mickeyl: I think command with no cb shouldn't happen, even gsmd_simplecmd sets the empty gsmd_test_atcb as callback. |
| 20:57.13 | wansti | zecke: fine! i'm all into music right now |
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| 20:57.28 | mickeyl | pH5: right. so we have to find out what this triggers |
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| 20:57.59 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: You poor guy only have some sweatshirts and still want to give them away? Remembers me to "Sterntaler" |
| 20:58.11 | wansti | lol |
| 20:58.26 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2743 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ChangeLog: gsmd: remove ChangeLog, no one expect me used it |
| 20:58.37 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: I just counted, I have three left |
| 20:59.04 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: How is your flat? Nice tent in it? ;) |
| 20:59.11 | _alcik_ | Zitune: oh, U got problems with icons on Xoo... sorry, I thought U mean real device... before I have used Xephyr and qemu and I dont remember any icons problem... |
| 20:59.37 | pH5 | mickeyl: the AT / error is a strlen miscalculation |
| 20:59.44 | pH5 | strace shows that it really sends AT\0 |
| 20:59.45 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2744 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (ChangeLog src/gsmd/gsmd.c): |
| 20:59.45 | CIA-20 | openmoko: gsmd: make it slightly more forgiving: |
| 20:59.45 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 1.) remove early-alive trigger |
| 20:59.45 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2.) don't use AT as initial command since TI firmware errors out |
| 20:59.50 | Zitune | _alcik_ not a problem (for the moment all i ve got is Xoo ....) |
| 20:59.57 | mickeyl | pH5: have a fix handy? :) |
| 21:00.08 | Zitune | _alcik_ thx anyway :) |
| 21:00.59 | _alcik_ | Zitune :-) |
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| 21:01.31 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/freyther/possess.jpg everything I possess in one place |
| 21:02.02 | pH5 | zecke: wow, that's lots of stuff |
| 21:02.06 | hrw | zecke: its your current flat with all furniture? |
| 21:02.11 | zecke | yes! |
| 21:02.22 | wansti | looks cosy :-P |
| 21:02.25 | ljp | minimalist eh? |
| 21:02.34 | zecke | hrw: don't call it nasty! |
| 21:02.51 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: oh no |
| 21:02.58 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Nand_erase]] [[Bootloader]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[User:Lalleglad]] [[User:Jardous]] |
| 21:03.03 | hrw | zecke: it is not ;) |
| 21:03.06 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: You had somebody helping you with this move? ;) |
| 21:03.13 | zecke | lol, yes |
| 21:03.48 | zecke | I might get a fridge, bed, chairs and table soon... |
| 21:03.50 | wansti | hey stefan_schmidt, did i already tell you i'm about to turn my back on free software? only music-wise, though |
| 21:04.00 | zecke | but I need to get a beamer first to play NES |
| 21:04.44 | stefan_schmidt | wansti: No, don't go the half eaten fruit way. |
| 21:04.56 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: yeah, beamer should have prio #1 |
| 21:04.56 | mickeyl | wansti: buy a Mac and use Logic |
| 21:05.03 | mickeyl | wansti: you won't regret it. |
| 21:05.12 | mickeyl | wansti: give Linux a couple of more years |
| 21:05.21 | wansti | mickeyl: i'm gonna get a mac when i can afford one :-) |
| 21:05.24 | zecke | mac's are evil |
| 21:05.37 | stefan_schmidt | wansti: That would mean you have to move out of alphaone flat. |
| 21:05.53 | wansti | stefan_schmidt: he can move out if he doesn't like it :-) |
| 21:05.59 | alphaone | wansti: You could afford one if you wouldn't keep spending your money on windows software ;-) |
| 21:06.07 | wansti | lol shut up :-) |
| 21:06.12 | wansti | it works on mac, too :-P |
| 21:06.24 | stefan_schmidt | wansti: But he has 66% of the flat ;) |
| 21:06.32 | wansti | not yet he hasn't |
| 21:06.54 | stefan_schmidt | wansti: Ask ilko |
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| 21:08.00 | ilko | wansti: He's richt |
| 21:08.05 | ilko | right even |
| 21:08.15 | wansti | :-D |
| 21:08.29 | wansti | damn looks like i'm beat |
| 21:08.37 | wansti | can i still live in your closet? |
| 21:08.38 | stefan_schmidt | lol |
| 21:08.51 | zecke | don't you guys want to spend a weekend in berlin? you can bring your tents |
| 21:09.02 | SpeedEvil | That would be intents! |
| 21:09.09 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: We really should |
| 21:09.13 | stefan_schmidt | SpeedEvil: :) |
| 21:09.22 | wansti | SpeedEvil: no, intents is where we'll sleep :-P |
| 21:09.25 | alphaone | neither my tent nor my intent is malicious |
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| 21:10.15 | wansti | we're just gonna have to throw out some of zecke's furniture to make room |
| 21:10.37 | stefan_schmidt | wansti: That would already take the half of the weekend |
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| 21:11.00 | Zitune | _alcik_ do you advise me to run openmoko under qemu than under Xoo (i want do devellop some third part application --- no kernel) |
| 21:14.33 | wansti | mickeyl: i ordered a copy of Cubase Studio 4... i'm gonna hate having to dual-boot, but i figure it's worth it |
| 21:16.04 | stefan_schmidt | wansti: What's next? Wearing white clothes? |
| 21:16.28 | mickeyl | :) |
| 21:16.34 | wansti | stefan_schmidt: kill me if you ever see me wearing white clothes :-) |
| 21:16.57 | _alcik_ | Zitune i dont know if your problem has something to do with the fact that U R using Xoo... |
| 21:17.11 | wansti | unless they have a billion more pockets than any black ones :-) |
| 21:17.28 | stefan_schmidt | wansti: lol |
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| 21:19.41 | wansti | or better yet: i'll hire someone who wears the white clothes/pockets for me and walks behind me whereever i go so i always have access to the stuff in those pockets |
| 21:20.01 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 21:20.09 | alphaone | wansti: Good plan. Sidekicks are always useful |
| 21:20.11 | wansti | buying a mac for making music is about the same, i guess |
| 21:20.14 | stefan_schmidt | wansti: The same guy using the windows software for you? |
| 21:20.21 | wansti | at least as far as the color goes |
| 21:20.29 | wansti | :-) |
| 21:20.44 | alphaone | You're all crazy, that's what you are |
| 21:20.46 | stefan_schmidt | wansti: I heard rumors about black macbooks ;) |
| 21:20.54 | alphaone | (me included) |
| 21:21.06 | wansti | damn. now they took away our color, too |
| 21:21.17 | stefan_schmidt | Yeah, I think working on that snapshot image today makes us all crazy. |
| 21:21.21 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: Yeah, they are way better in quality. And produced by lenovo |
| 21:21.30 | wansti | what do they call em anyway? iBlack? |
| 21:21.45 | _alcik_ | Zitune I guess it depends what U want to develop.... both: Xoo (or Xephyr) and qemu has some pros and cons... long time ago there was some disscusion about it, it was on community list or on develop list... cant remember now... |
| 21:21.50 | torpor | wansti: cubase OSX works fine but better is native Live |
| 21:22.00 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: And have a better logo: http://people.openmoko.org/stefan/OpenMoko_company_branding.jpg |
| 21:22.07 | torpor | also, ubuntustudio on macbook pro == pure loveliness. |
| 21:22.23 | alphaone | nice gimping |
| 21:22.39 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: your stickers did arrive? |
| 21:22.41 | alphaone | :-P |
| 21:22.49 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Yopu should know that my gimp skills are way to low for that. :) |
| 21:22.58 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: yeah, some samples. |
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| 21:24.38 | pH5 | mickeyl: something is completely borked. |
| 21:24.52 | wansti | stefan_schmidt: because of those photos that are barely visible above it? ;-) |
| 21:25.17 | stefan_schmidt | wansti: yeah, don't ask |
| 21:25.18 | pH5 | I'd say http://en.pastebin.ca/663753, but I'm missing the code where mlbuf is initialized somehow?? |
| 21:25.59 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Don't abuse your power |
| 21:26.17 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: right, this is what the budhist in me is saying |
| 21:26.30 | wansti | zecke: kill him :-P |
| 21:27.09 | zecke | wansti: that would violate rule #1 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silas_%28Buddhismus%29, if you declare stefan as some kind of life form |
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| 21:27.26 | wansti | emphasis on "if"? :-P |
| 21:27.38 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: You a bot? |
| 21:28.06 | alphaone | I think he crashed |
| 21:28.07 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: And if? |
| 21:28.33 | stefan_schmidt | Not crashed but preparing debug patches |
| 21:28.46 | wansti | zecke: what about the "buddhist in you"? is that a lifeform? |
| 21:29.20 | mwester | like the critter in the "Alien" movies? |
| 21:29.32 | zecke | wansti: no, a mental disease |
| 21:31.00 | _alcik_ | Zitune ok I found it... I consider it very educational :-) If I can encourage U to read it, here U are http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-February/000432.html |
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| 21:31.22 | pH5 | mickeyl: http://en.pastebin.ca/663762, seems that talloc part got lost in the patching frenzy |
| 21:32.10 | wansti | stefan_schmidt: don't tell me you took those horrible things home?! |
| 21:32.35 | stefan_schmidt | wansti: Of course. 3 left. Wanna have one? :) |
| 21:32.50 | wansti | stefan_schmidt: in that case, you're in no position to mock me about the software i use :-P |
| 21:32.55 | stefan_schmidt | wansti: At least one should be chicken ;) |
| 21:33.06 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: hehe |
| 21:33.06 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: What? |
| 21:33.13 | alphaone | You already used them up |
| 21:33.15 | alphaone | ?! |
| 21:33.18 | alphaone | Damn |
| 21:33.25 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: As I said. 3 left |
| 21:33.32 | wansti | alphaone: move out of my living room. now. |
| 21:33.38 | alphaone | No Mate, no Fresubin. Life's not fail |
| 21:33.52 | alphaone | wansti: What? Are you still here? |
| 21:34.07 | wansti | alphaone: right behind you. watch your back :-P |
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| 21:34.52 | alphaone | wansti: I'd be more careful. I can offline you :-) |
| 21:34.55 | wansti | alphaone: i know where you are. i can see what you do. and i have access to your mpd :-P |
| 21:35.05 | wansti | argh, dammit! |
| 21:35.18 | wansti | you win again |
| 21:35.58 | alphaone | s/have access/had access/ |
| 21:35.59 | alphaone | heh |
| 21:36.28 | wansti | o_O |
| 21:36.48 | alphaone | "Guys, stop screwing around on #openmoko!" - "But oe is compiling!" - "Oh, okay. Carry on :-)" |
| 21:37.06 | jaj | hehe |
| 21:37.08 | wansti | oh well... as long as it's playing Hammerfall and not "Das Modul" again :-P |
| 21:37.11 | alphaone | (http://www.xkcd.com/303/ |
| 21:38.17 | mwester | ) |
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| 21:42.05 | aevin | alphaone: i laughed really hard from that one. |
| 21:42.23 | wansti | aevin: ...while your code was compiling...? |
| 21:42.45 | aevin | wansti: no (but don't tell anyone). |
| 21:43.13 | wansti | :-) |
| 21:43.35 | aevin | i like how they do the fencing standing on their chairs, it seems like this classic office activity |
| 21:43.57 | wansti | yeah, when i saw that i immediately wanted to try it |
| 21:43.58 | stefan_schmidt | That's also the reason why bigger projects are more favourite then small ones. Longer compile time |
| 21:44.07 | wansti | unfortunately, our office lacks swords |
| 21:44.36 | hhf423 | mickeyl: erm, so tomorrows snapshot would be the nightly build I can fetch tuesday morning? |
| 21:44.56 | jaj | wansti, have you seen monty python and the meaning of life? |
| 21:45.08 | wansti | jaj: sure, about ten times :-) |
| 21:45.16 | jaj | it's easy to manufacture swords from office equipment ;) |
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| 21:45.29 | wansti | hah, true |
| 21:45.44 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: yeah, more or less. |
| 21:45.54 | hhf423 | stefan_schmidt: ok |
| 21:46.03 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: Depending on your timezone perhaps already on monday |
| 21:46.13 | pH5 | good night |
| 21:46.27 | hhf423 | stefan_schmidt: I am on CET / Germany |
| 21:46.55 | alphaone | hhf423: Not CEST? |
| 21:47.10 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: So perhaps already monday. Wait on the announcement. It will come really soon now (TM) |
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| 21:47.28 | hhf423 | stefan_schmidt: where would the announcement go? |
| 21:47.40 | hhf423 | (be published)? |
| 21:47.46 | alphaone | hhf423: announce? |
| 21:47.55 | alphaone | mailing list |
| 21:48.02 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: announce ml and community ml |
| 21:48.03 | alphaone | And probably community, too |
| 21:48.07 | jackol | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.09 | hhf423 | ok |
| 21:48.13 | zecke | mickeyl: may I change some headers to be parsable by h2def.py? |
| 21:48.23 | stefan_schmidt | jackol: Should not. What is missing? |
| 21:48.48 | jackol | Dunno, but it says so in here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko |
| 21:48.53 | jackol | just, was just asking to be sure |
| 21:49.44 | stefan_schmidt | jackol: Please correct this in the wiki. Normally it should not be needed. Just for people with special needs we have more modules then in the rootfs |
| 21:50.23 | anrp | an announcement |
| 21:50.25 | anrp | what could it be D: |
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| 21:51.43 | stefan_schmidt | anrp: Nothing special. Just some details and background on ongoing work |
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| 21:56.09 | doc|home | man, fic are really bumping up openmoko's office space with hardware. Anyone know why? They can't really need that much, can they? |
| 21:56.29 | anrp | you'd be surprised |
| 21:57.05 | dpavlin | it's more-or-less standard reqirement for team of that size :-) |
| 21:57.05 | doc|home | I worked for an IT company with 120 staff and we didn't have that much kit in the office. We were even hosting some systems. |
| 21:57.12 | doc|home | what size? |
| 21:57.18 | anrp | that size! |
| 21:57.21 | doc|home | hehe |
| 21:57.28 | doc|home | what's that size?! :) |
| 21:57.28 | dpavlin | Well, they are growing to 30+ people, right? |
| 21:57.32 | doc|home | ah, ok |
| 21:57.51 | dpavlin | and you really *don't* want to wait for compile... |
| 21:58.10 | mwester | Depends on how much nerf stuff you have... |
| 21:58.16 | doc|home | yeah, but they're talking about 10gig backbone, I mean, wtf? |
| 21:58.22 | doc|home | (internally) |
| 21:58.32 | doc|home | swapping movies? :) |
| 21:58.42 | Zitune | hi (again) |
| 21:59.00 | Zitune | for develloping without the device what emulation is best ? |
| 21:59.05 | Zitune | Xoo or Qemu ? |
| 21:59.33 | dpavlin | Zitune: qemu-neo1973 works for me. |
| 21:59.34 | mickeyl | zecke: sure |
| 21:59.37 | Zitune | (i ve already ask this question, but ... i was enable to see the answer) |
| 21:59.38 | mickeyl | zecke: (header change) |
| 21:59.54 | Zitune | dpavlin thanks |
| 22:01.51 | hhf423 | ok, off to bed. see you all tomorrow and have a good night! |
| 22:02.40 | dpavlin | just for a reference, importing OpenMoko in Croatia is a pain. Don't do it. It's stuck on customs for 12 days now. |
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| 22:03.17 | dpavlin | should I write that to wiki? Somehow shipping page seems obsoleted. |
| 22:04.46 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r139 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Switch default to OM-2007.2 |
| 22:05.23 | mickeyl | ~praise rwhitby |
| 22:05.24 | apt | All hail rwhitby! |
| 22:07.14 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r140 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Deprecate the OM-2007.2 branch by causing the Makefile there to push people back onto the trunk where the real OM-2007.2 support lives. |
| 22:07.23 | _alcik_ | dpavlin http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shipping_Notes |
| 22:07.24 | stefan_schmidt | ~praise SpeedEvil |
| 22:07.24 | apt | All hail SpeedEvil! |
| 22:07.44 | rwhitby | ~emulate rwhitby |
| 22:07.45 | apt | Well, my work here is done. |
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| 22:08.49 | _alcik_ | dpavlin I think U should write it there... |
| 22:10.28 | rwhitby | mickeyl: libmokogsmd2 seems to fail to compile: |
| 22:10.40 | rwhitby | | /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/include/gsmd/usock.h:5:31: error: common/linux_list.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:10.46 | mickeyl | i have seen this |
| 22:10.49 | mickeyl | can't reproduce though |
| 22:10.55 | Planet | mine just stopped at the same error |
| 22:10.57 | mickeyl | besides, it's not my field of expertise |
| 22:11.02 | mickeyl | please report an error to bugzilla |
| 22:11.28 | anrp | tarball up your entire file system and paste it into the zilla |
| 22:11.30 | anrp | j/k D: |
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| 22:13.26 | rwhitby | Planet: can you do that, I need to get the kids ready for school. |
| 22:14.11 | Planet | rwhitby: sure thing |
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| 22:18.07 | rwhitby | mickeyl: can you update openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env with the new snapshot images location? |
| 22:18.29 | mickeyl | let me see |
| 22:18.35 | rwhitby | (we're currently pointing at people.openmoko.org/mickeyl in the makefile |
| 22:18.49 | rwhitby | and the rootfs_wildcard in that file too |
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| 22:20.42 | hrw | bye |
| 22:21.09 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2745 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env: qemu-neo1973: point openmoko/env to the 2007.2 August Snapshot directory |
| 22:21.10 | mickeyl | rwhitby: done |
| 22:24.36 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r141 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Change setup-qemu and download-images targets to use the updated qemu env file |
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| 22:25.06 | rwhitby | make download-images seems to find somethere there. |
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| 22:34.40 | Zitune | i ve compile openmoko |
| 22:34.48 | Zitune | i ve nearly all icons |
| 22:35.05 | Zitune | can it be possible that some icons are missing ? |
| 22:35.16 | Zitune | moko-folder-delete for exemple |
| 22:35.28 | Zitune | or moko-call-answer |
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| 22:42.16 | jackol | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/snapshots/2007.08/ (Confirmed working) has nothing |
| 22:42.33 | jackol | The requested URL /OM2007.2/snapshots/2007.08/ was not found on this server. |
| 22:43.20 | stefan_schmidt | That OM2007.2 is wrong |
| 22:45.04 | wansti | i guess i'm gonna call it a night |
| 22:45.20 | jackol | what're those lowlevel-foo-***.bin files? |
| 22:45.35 | wansti | expect some upgrades on the music once the software arrives and i worked my way through 650 pages of manual :-) |
| 22:45.57 | wansti | night you guys |
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| 22:49.41 | alphaone | jackol: Just something you need before you can load u-boot into ram for the very first time |
| 22:50.21 | alphaone | jackol: You should only need it for devirgination (in which case you'll also need a debug board) |
| 22:53.05 | alphaone | Night all |
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| 23:00.35 | cesarb | Does anyone know if UPS will accept my parents receiving my package, or will I have to not go to work just to wait for them? (Couldn't contact them yet, but hoping it was just a random tracking glitch and they will try delivering it tomorrow) |
| 23:01.22 | SpeedEvil | Does UPS know your parents? |
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| 23:01.58 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] [[SettingsGUI]] |
| 23:02.39 | sagacis | cesarb: There shouldn't be a problem. I shipped to my mother-in-law |
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| 23:02.43 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: they live in the same apartment as I do, and I don't know if it has to be me paying for the customs and accepting the package or if it can be someone else living at the same address |
| 23:03.03 | SpeedEvil | Generally, they don't care as long as they get a signature. |
| 23:03.08 | sagacis | and the money |
| 23:03.17 | anrp | only if its cod |
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| 23:05.04 | sagacis | heh. I added menu items for toggling portrait landscape. Didn't get the patch together before mickey posted the change... |
| 23:05.40 | sagacis | so do I need to update the mokomakefile? |
| 23:05.53 | cesarb | Well, let's hope it all works out them... I only have 2 delivery attempts left, since they seems to have had a "phantom" delivery attempt friday (registered as "recipient didn't have funds", but there was no delivery attempt, else I'd know, plus a strange "called but nobody answered" when nobody called my cell) |
| 23:06.11 | anrp | have you tried contacting them? |
| 23:06.30 | sagacis | cesarb: Maybe they are trying to deliver it to Wisconsin and are confused about your address.... |
| 23:06.41 | SpeedEvil | You could simply ask your parents to accept it in your name. |
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| 23:06.53 | josch | does anybody have a stable OPENMOKO_MTN_REV for me from where I can build openmoko with the makefile without compiling errors? |
| 23:06.53 | manhunt | hello |
| 23:07.14 | _alcik_ | cesarb call your local UPS office and tell them Ur delivery number and U should be able to set up time of delivery... |
| 23:07.15 | sagacis | I think the mokomake file was just fixed, right? |
| 23:07.32 | josch | doesn't it use HEAD all the time? |
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| 23:07.58 | cesarb | sagacis: the tracking says the package is on São Paulo, I'm on Rio de Janeiro (another state, and they do have a presence in the local international airport's cargo terminal) |
| 23:08.31 | cesarb | anrp: their 0800 phone number (and their "normal" phone number too, which is probably the same) only gives me a busy tone. They probably do not work on weekends. |
| 23:08.39 | sagacis | cesarb: Yeah, you'd better call them |
| 23:10.18 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 23:10.20 | SpeedEvil | oop |
| 23:10.21 | _alcik_ | is in 2007.1 rootfs some graphics file viewer? |
| 23:10.43 | josch | just did a ' make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image' and still fails to compile libgsmd2 |
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| 23:11.51 | josch | sry I mean libmokogsmd2 |
| 23:12.25 | sagacis | josch: Check the wiki (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#libxml2-native_fails_with_xmlCatalogPtr_errors), there's a patch to fix the build, but I don't know if it's the same erro. |
| 23:13.33 | _alcik_ | cesarb: they were on some kind of phone duty in my country when i was expecting my neo, I have call them on saturday for sure.... |
| 23:16.47 | kristian-m | josch there is a bug in this package |
| 23:17.34 | kristian-m | josch you can work around that by copying the missed common directory into the include directory, for the time beeing |
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| 23:19.08 | Planet | rwhitby: sure thing |
| 23:19.19 | cesarb | _alcik_: I tried to call them several times yesterday (and a couple of times today too); my friend whose CC I used also tried to call them. We only got a busy signal. |
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| 23:19.59 | kristian-m | josch it was http://nopaste.eof.name/195 here |
| 23:20.04 | kristian-m | 'night |
| 23:20.15 | cesarb | _alcik_: unfortunately, I only had noticed the supposed delivery attempt very late friday (I wasn't expecting it, since it was due for monday, and I was sorta busy this friday) |
| 23:21.05 | _alcik_ | cesarb so U have to try again tommorow early morning :-) |
| 23:22.52 | cesarb | _alcik_: that's what I'm planning to do ;-) (which screws with my schedule a bit... oh well) |
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| 23:24.54 | _alcik_ | cesarb well, they (UPS) almost screwed my holiday plans :-), almost... |
| 23:25.06 | mrcucumber | any news about GTA02 ? |
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| 23:36.48 | cesarb | Hm, which payment options will we have when/if the UPS guy arrives? Do I need to get cash at the bank (hoping he doesn't arrive before the bank opens) to pay him? |
| 23:37.29 | cesarb | (sorry for all the questions, but I've never received a package, much less one from outside the country!) |
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| 23:41.05 | hhf423 | the UPS guys here only acceppt cash |
| 23:41.25 | hhf423 | no credit card or EC card |
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| 23:43.09 | mika_ | hi guys, i'm looking the openmoko site and what are bundled with the phone...damn, really cool the pen/stylus....but, one thing...there is the pouch, have you thought to give also a screen protector ? like the brando screen protector, don't know if you know, but i've it on my pda and it's awesome :) |
| 23:43.10 | aloril | mika_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 23:45.29 | hhf423 | mika so you believe in screen protectors? |
| 23:45.50 | hhf423 | I never used them and I have not regretted it so far |
| 23:47.10 | josch | what does GTA stand for? |
| 23:47.23 | josch | I couldn't find it in the wiki |
| 23:47.47 | SpeedEvil | Grand Theft Auto. |
| 23:48.02 | josch | yeah... sure... |
| 23:48.09 | mika_ | hhf423: actually i've one on my pda and works great, i can use it without problems and i've any scratch on the screen... ^^ |
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| 23:52.08 | hhf423 | josch: hmm, does not seem to be in the wiki, probably just a random abbreviation for the hardware |
| 23:52.28 | SpeedEvil | Great Telephone Acronym! |
| 23:52.33 | josch | ^^ |
| 23:52.34 | hhf423 | ;-) |
| 23:52.36 | rwhitby | Google Telephony Application |
| 23:52.59 | freak01 | LOLZ |
| 23:53.21 | hhf423 | mika_: well, I have owned some half a dozen pda's now and I can not remember any big scratch and I never used protectors |
| 23:53.42 | SpeedEvil | I think some people care about little scratches more than others. |
| 23:54.32 | anrp | indeed |
| 23:54.32 | mika_ | hhf423: you're more careful than me... ^^ |
| 23:54.48 | SpeedEvil | It also may depend on the environment. |
| 23:54.59 | hhf423 | probably, maybe, mightbe :-) |
| 23:55.05 | SpeedEvil | If you have no sand in the environment perhaps. |
| 23:55.27 | hhf423 | I visit a place with a beach at least once a year :-) |
| 23:55.31 | SpeedEvil | Or you don't jam the PDA in pocket with keys. |
| 23:55.43 | anrp | it's a phone, it's going to get royally beat up |
| 23:55.47 | anrp | ... assuming you use it as a phone |
| 23:55.55 | mika_ | or you don't throw you pda on the bedroom :P |
| 23:55.57 | hhf423 | but I admit that I was close to buying screen protectors every now and then |
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| 23:56.49 | josch | has somebody ancountered problems with the mouse in qemu with 2007.2? my problem looks like this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Basic_question but this entry is back from april and 2007.1 worked for me. the problem is, that any click I do seems not to be recognized - with my keyboard I can do some basic navigating but this sucks |
| 23:57.25 | rwhitby | josch: have you tried holding down the mouse button for a couple of seconds for each "click" ? |
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