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| 00:05.30 | jaebird | ERROR: Task 3522 (/home/moko/openembedded/packages/libxml/libxml2-native_2.6.29.bb, do_compile) failed |
| 00:06.42 | jaebird | | In file included from libxml.c:27: |
| 00:06.42 | jaebird | | libxml_wrap.h:89: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before 'xmlCatalogPtr' |
| 00:06.42 | jaebird | | libxml_wrap.h:225: error: expected ')' before 'obj' |
| 00:06.51 | jseghers | The Debug board page states that it should create a /dev/ttyUSBx for the serial console. Even though I am now able to connect with openocd, this serial console connection doesn't seem to be created. |
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| 00:57.34 | brandini | any talk of wifi being added? |
| 00:58.14 | rwhitby | wifi? |
| 00:58.14 | aloril | Currently sold Neo1973 GTA01B_v04 (P1) doesn't have WiFi, GTA02 (P2) which is scheduled for October will have WiFi with free (libre) drivers (Atheros AR6K): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F |
| 00:58.41 | brandini | thanks! |
| 00:59.36 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Sydney]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Salt_Lake]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Madrid]] [[Wish_List]] [[Talk:ChangeLog]] |
| 01:00.20 | cesarb | ~xlcd |
| 01:00.24 | cesarb | ~xkcd |
| 01:00.25 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, xkcd is http://xkcd.com/281/ |
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| 01:00.36 | cesarb | *reloads* still in Miammi |
| 01:00.41 | cesarb | s/Miammi/Miami/ |
| 01:01.57 | brandini | refresh makes it go faster |
| 01:01.59 | brandini | duh |
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| 01:29.35 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 01:36.31 | ljp | rwitby: I didn't realize you were in australia |
| 01:51.27 | juri_ | my neo is working its way across germany. difficulty: i'm in the central US. |
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| 01:52.40 | Tm_T | hi kids |
| 01:53.52 | jaebird | morning rwhitby |
| 01:54.13 | rwhitby | ljp: yep, Adelaide |
| 01:54.14 | jaebird | juri_: nice :( |
| 01:54.34 | jaebird | rwhitby: did you see my error in the logs? |
| 01:56.05 | rwhitby | jaebird: yep, unfortunately I only have the spare time to fix mokomakefile errors, not all the OE build errors. You should look in the OE bugzilla to see if it's reported, and report it if not (or ask in #oe) |
| 01:56.55 | jaebird | yeah, i saw the python stuff go in...just wondered if you saw it already is all |
| 01:56.57 | rwhitby | ljp: keep a position open for me up there in Qld for when I want to move back from SA ;-) |
| 01:57.22 | ckuethe | SpeedEvil: http://www.ion.org/search/view_abstract.cfm?jp=j&idno=2439 |
| 01:58.08 | SpeedEvil | Woot. |
| 01:59.47 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: do you have the paper |
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| 02:00.01 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 02:00.17 | SpeedEvil | Just the abstract, which looks interesting. |
| 02:00.23 | Writchie | indeed |
| 02:00.40 | Writchie | decimeter without L2 would be quite nice |
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| 02:01.27 | ckuethe | it just arrived in my copy of the journal |
| 02:01.28 | SpeedEvil | I can't think off-hand of applications that would actually make use of it. |
| 02:01.57 | SpeedEvil | decimeter - rather than say a meter that is. |
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| 02:02.17 | Writchie | gets you to a desk |
| 02:02.30 | Writchie | or even a chair in the room |
| 02:02.32 | ckuethe | well, for all of you wanting to use your gps as a car logger |
| 02:02.34 | SpeedEvil | ckuethe: can you precis? How's the iono model done? |
| 02:02.45 | SpeedEvil | car logger - +-1m isn't an issue though. |
| 02:02.49 | SpeedEvil | That puts you in lane. |
| 02:03.11 | SpeedEvil | 20cm would only be nice if you want autodrive or something :) |
| 02:03.52 | SpeedEvil | Though even less than that could be nice - for driving through known obstacles - gates, for example. |
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| 02:04.33 | SpeedEvil | And 20cm indoors is probably less likely. |
| 02:04.44 | Writchie | abstract didn't mention how dynamic |
| 02:05.53 | ckuethe | vehicle dynamics |
| 02:06.11 | Writchie | as in kinetic mapping vs. survey mapping |
| 02:06.44 | ckuethe | their filter can cope with bootstrapping itself from unknown dynamic states, as opposed to other filters which require some assistance regarding dynamics |
| 02:07.07 | ckuethe | their test system was a garmin gps12xl |
| 02:07.32 | ljp | rwhitby: no worries |
| 02:08.02 | rwhitby | ljp: I grew up in Qld, and went to UQ. Folks are still on the Gold Coast. |
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| 02:11.21 | ljp | ahh.. well.. I am from .. umm... way south canada |
| 02:12.40 | ckuethe | they were driving around for about 2hrs for a test run |
| 02:14.27 | ckuethe | i guess i can photograph the article for ha |
| 02:14.28 | ckuethe | ya |
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| 02:14.46 | SpeedEvil | Nice. |
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| 02:15.48 | Writchie | for education fair use |
| 02:15.57 | Writchie | s/education/educational/ |
| 02:16.56 | ckuethe | i'm too much of a cheap bastard to waste one of my download credits |
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| 02:17.32 | SpeedEvil | Once we get the GPS mostly decoded, we need to mail the authors :) |
| 02:18.38 | ckuethe | yep |
| 02:18.49 | sagacis | morning |
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| 02:27.02 | sagacis | jaebird, Speedevil posted something about the build error earlier |
| 02:27.11 | sagacis | I'm trying to figure it out |
| 02:27.34 | sagacis | At 14:51:33 |
| 02:29.14 | jaebird | ok... |
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| 02:40.25 | SpeedEvil | ckuethe: Hmm http://gauss.gge.unb.ca/papers.pdf/iongpsgnss2003.beran.pdf interesting |
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| 02:42.03 | SpeedEvil | http://gge.unb.ca/Personnel/Langley/Langley.html too |
| 02:43.36 | sagacis | SpeedEvil: You said to move the libxml2-native-2.6.29.bb file to make the build work? |
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| 02:50.36 | SpeedEvil | err - I don't think I did. |
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| 02:53.44 | sagacis | SpeedEvil: Sorry. I confused you with ScaredyCat from earlier today. |
| 03:00.16 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hammerhead/Protocol]] [[Main_Page]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] |
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| 03:03.33 | sagacis | gpsd has a dependency on python core? |
| 03:04.37 | ckuethe | no |
| 03:04.40 | |R | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.43 | |R | oops sorry ;) |
| 03:04.51 | ckuethe | gpsd can generate a python module |
| 03:04.59 | ckuethe | but the daemon itself is standalone |
| 03:05.07 | ckuethe | needs libc and libm, that's it |
| 03:05.18 | sagacis | I removed openembeded/packages/python, and gpsd failed... |
| 03:05.20 | sagacis | Oh |
| 03:05.27 | ckuethe | --disable-python |
| 03:05.35 | sagacis | that would be easier |
| 03:05.39 | ckuethe | says the guy who wrote that configure switch |
| 03:05.39 | ckuethe | :) |
| 03:06.06 | sagacis | gotta re-get the code then |
| 03:06.23 | ckuethe | i put that in... gosh, around 2.34, i think |
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| 03:14.02 | sagacis | 2.34 is the current one |
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| 03:16.51 | sagacis | --disable-python is specified currently in 2.34 |
| 03:17.00 | ckuethe | hm |
| 03:17.08 | ckuethe | oh |
| 03:17.10 | ckuethe | i remember |
| 03:17.29 | ckuethe | i screwed up on the makefile and didn't totally cut out the python module building |
| 03:17.44 | sagacis | thanks ;-) |
| 03:18.13 | sagacis | packages? |
| 03:18.24 | sagacis | PACKAGES =+ "libgps python-pygps" |
| 03:18.36 | sagacis | yup |
| 03:18.41 | sagacis | RDEPENDS_python-pygps = "python-core gpsd" |
| 03:18.52 | sagacis | Should I just comment those to get a build? |
| 03:19.10 | ckuethe | gpsd-2.34/Makefile.am |
| 03:19.12 | ferric | moo. |
| 03:24.21 | sagacis | libxml2-native_2.6.28.bb depends on python-native |
| 03:28.41 | sagacis | good night. gotta work in the morning. Hopefully somebody will fix the build by afterwork |
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| 03:41.29 | weez | testing |
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| 04:21.55 | Aztlek | good night |
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| 04:32.21 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 04:40.42 | cw666 | phone is supposed to come with a stylus? |
| 04:41.04 | summatusmentis | yes |
| 04:41.12 | cw666 | hrm |
| 04:41.17 | cw666 | it looks like what? |
| 04:45.19 | summatusmentis | I think it looks like a pen, except with the stylus tip |
| 04:45.32 | cw666 | like a full size pen? |
| 04:45.40 | cw666 | with some buttons and leds? |
| 04:47.11 | cw666 | nm; it is |
| 04:48.13 | ljp | its a pen/stylus/flashlight/laser pointer |
| 04:49.16 | cw666 | right, 'cept the laser pointer isn't :-) |
| 04:50.30 | ljp | isnt what? |
| 04:51.34 | cw666 | flash light dull white, laser pointer dull dull res |
| 04:51.34 | cw666 | red |
| 04:51.45 | cw666 | not that it matters |
| 04:53.28 | cw666 | ok, suggestion for a matching kernel and rootfs? |
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| 04:59.56 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_OpenMoko_Sounds]] |
| 05:02.18 | linux_galore | ping? |
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| 05:04.12 | chripell | Hi all, just unpacked my neo1973 after the vacations and trying to bring it up :-) |
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| 05:05.36 | cw666 | chripell: im just doing the same here |
| 05:05.51 | cw666 | discovered i had to frob rootfs and kernel, not so bad so far |
| 05:05.53 | cw666 | usb a bit iffy |
| 05:05.57 | cw666 | (cable?) |
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| 05:06.43 | chripell | cw666: I'll tell you if it's the same here. Just downloading .... |
| 05:08.05 | cw666 | ok, so i lost the keyboad on the terminal thang |
| 05:13.04 | cw666 | ok, so i lost the input keyboard widget |
| 05:13.15 | cw666 | can anyone clue me in on how i make it come back? |
| 05:13.24 | cw666 | (actually, i rebooted and this time it was gone) |
| 05:13.25 | CM | cw666: Yes, start the input manager |
| 05:14.38 | cw666 | CM: can i do that w/ just the stylus? |
| 05:14.54 | CM | Yes, at least in 2007.2 |
| 05:15.11 | CM | It's among all other programs |
| 05:15.16 | cw666 | 20070803091138 |
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| 05:15.29 | CM | Yes, but is it the new or the old gui? |
| 05:15.38 | cw666 | how do i tell? |
| 05:15.40 | CM | I've never had the imput manager disappear in the old one |
| 05:15.49 | cw666 | well, maybe it crashed? |
| 05:15.52 | CM | The new one looks great ;) |
| 05:16.09 | cw666 | so [menu]->applications then? |
| 05:16.12 | CM | Three tabs at the bottom, no menu in the upper left corner |
| 05:16.23 | cw666 | i have a meny upper left |
| 05:16.25 | cw666 | menu even |
| 05:16.33 | CM | Ok, then you're on 2007.1 |
| 05:16.43 | cw666 | ok |
| 05:16.51 | CM | But did you have Input Manager there under applications? |
| 05:16.52 | cw666 | so just get a later rootfs then |
| 05:17.08 | cw666 | CM: dont see it listed |
| 05:17.09 | CM | Wel.. |
| 05:17.17 | CM | Calling doesn't work with 2007.1 |
| 05:17.33 | CM | Otherwise, try rebooting and you might get it back |
| 05:20.55 | heikkit | cool, python 2.5 now in openembedded: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/08/15/python-25-in-openembedded/ |
| 05:20.56 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Message duplicates (was: Changes between GTA1 and GTA2?) |
| 05:21.32 | heikkit | what kind of startup time does python have on openmoko? |
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| 05:24.28 | aloril | maybe 1s |
| 05:26.11 | aloril | further starts with hello.py (print "Hello world!"): 0.27s |
| 05:26.22 | aloril | gtk is of course more ;-) |
| 05:26.44 | heikkit | hmm, not great, but seems it takes quite a bit longer on my windows mobile device |
| 05:27.32 | heikkit | I wrote a tkinter app, which works, but it just takes so long time to start I rarely use it on the device... http://www.heikkitoivonen.net/blog/?p=11 |
| 05:30.37 | heikkit | guess I should look into pygtk at some point |
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| 05:58.03 | jeddy3 | openembedded is still borked? |
| 05:59.21 | CM | I can't compile the makefile at least.. Failing on linux_2.6.21.bb |
| 06:00.18 | cw666 | mickey's 2007.2 kernel and rootfs seems to break on boot for me |
| 06:00.36 | CM | cw666: Oh.. What's wrong? |
| 06:00.45 | CM | cw666: Did you lose the boot menu? |
| 06:01.12 | CM | Only having Boot and Factory reset if you start while holding down Aux? |
| 06:01.14 | cw666 | afer boot menu i get a sound that sorta warbles then what looks like no window manager running |
| 06:01.28 | cw666 | well, i can't power down w/ removing battery |
| 06:01.29 | CM | It's slow to start.. |
| 06:01.30 | cw666 | right now |
| 06:01.37 | CM | Wait and see |
| 06:01.43 | cw666 | sure, slow, but this isn't happenning |
| 06:01.51 | cw666 | i wonder if some of the rootfs is hosed? |
| 06:02.20 | CM | "He's with me.." ;) |
| 06:02.43 | ScaredyCat | yes, oth or use are useless ;) |
| 06:02.48 | ScaredyCat | gah |
| 06:02.51 | cw666 | can i power off/reboot when it's wedged? |
| 06:02.58 | ScaredyCat | yes, both of you are useless ;) |
| 06:05.11 | ScaredyCat | both the new new and new makefiles fail on hte libxml2 |
| 06:05.31 | CM | ScaredyCat: Are you barely awake yet? |
| 06:05.37 | cw666 | CM: ok, there is a sound on boot ... that is truncated |
| 06:05.45 | CM | cw666: Aha |
| 06:05.45 | cw666 | so i suspect the rootfs is hosed/corrupt |
| 06:05.49 | ScaredyCat | CM: semi-concious... |
| 06:06.00 | ScaredyCat | but ingesting coffee as I type |
| 06:06.16 | CM | ScaredyCat: I can't run the 2007.2 makefile either, the kernel build fails to unpack |
| 06:06.35 | CM | Hehe |
| 06:07.03 | ScaredyCat | I killed that build to try the old method... |
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| 06:07.27 | cw666 | so, no reset button? |
| 06:07.27 | ScaredyCat | but tbh, i don;t think libxml was being used... |
| 06:07.33 | cw666 | that would be wonderful right now |
| 06:07.46 | ScaredyCat | hold the power button for 10 seconds |
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| 06:09.18 | CM | cw666: Are you running the 2007.2 images? |
| 06:09.34 | cw666 | CM: trying to |
| 06:09.44 | cw666 | CM: kernel seems fine, rootfs i wonder about |
| 06:09.59 | CM | Same here, I'm running one I build yesterday |
| 06:10.51 | cw666 | CM: busted rootfs? |
| 06:11.12 | cw666 | or same as in 2007.2 but working for you? |
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| 06:11.48 | CM | I think poweroff was borked in earlier versions, but I could power mine of yesterday |
| 06:11.57 | ScaredyCat | CM: it might be mickey|out's fault |
| 06:12.14 | CM | But instead the console is broken, having a huge font (As Dimitry complained about) |
| 06:12.17 | cw666 | i can get a console ovre USB? |
| 06:12.23 | ScaredyCat | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/08/15/python-25-in-openembedded/ |
| 06:12.40 | ScaredyCat | there's a fix for that CM |
| 06:13.19 | CM | ScaredyCat: I know, by setting the fontsize somewhere to 1, but I didn't see where |
| 06:13.34 | ScaredyCat | -s |
| 06:13.45 | cw666 | rootfs download is very slow.... is that fixed in later uboot versions? |
| 06:15.42 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#My_mrxvt_.28terminal.29_fonts_are_huge. |
| 06:15.47 | ScaredyCat | it's for mrxvt |
| 06:15.52 | CM | ScaredyCat: Thanks! |
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| 06:16.31 | ScaredyCat | ou wont like it |
| 06:16.34 | ScaredyCat | y |
| 06:16.38 | CM | Why? |
| 06:16.50 | ScaredyCat | it says to rebuild after hte change... |
| 06:16.58 | CM | Bah! |
| 06:17.00 | CM | :-P |
| 06:17.35 | ScaredyCat | I'd just try rebuilding mrxvt |
| 06:17.56 | ScaredyCat | then install it as an ipkg |
| 06:20.26 | mdt | ScaredyCat, you use rxvt on the neo? cool... ;) |
| 06:20.42 | mdt | ScaredyCat, do u have a bluetooth/usb keyboard? |
| 06:20.57 | ScaredyCat | no... |
| 06:21.07 | ScaredyCat | at least... not yet |
| 06:21.12 | CM | mdt: There's an on-screen keyboard and a stroke recognizer |
| 06:21.30 | mdt | CM, can that be combined to use with a rxvt? |
| 06:21.32 | ScaredyCat | that stroke recogniser is not working |
| 06:21.54 | ScaredyCat | everything is a g or s |
| 06:22.02 | CM | ScaredyCat: I agree.. It's not easy at all to get a char |
| 06:22.05 | CM | Or a 2 |
| 06:24.51 | cw666 | CM: ok, booting better |
| 06:24.53 | cw666 | now |
| 06:25.08 | CM | :-) |
| 06:26.05 | cw666 | rootfs was truncated as suspected |
| 06:26.28 | CM | cw666: Did you do a nand erase in between or just flash again? |
| 06:27.10 | cw666 | CM: flashed again |
| 06:27.15 | CM | :-) |
| 06:27.20 | cw666 | of course, stil no input thing |
| 06:27.32 | cw666 | and GIANT fonts like you |
| 06:27.32 | CM | No, you have to start it from the menu |
| 06:27.47 | CM | THe middle tab, scroll down to Input Manager |
| 06:28.08 | CM | Try not to start more than one.. Or you'll get annoyed |
| 06:28.27 | cw666 | it just goes to a calc |
| 06:28.49 | CM | Weird |
| 06:29.31 | cw666 | CM: ok, it's not starting... i choose utilities and see it |
| 06:29.39 | cw666 | but well, when i select it it doesnt start |
| 06:29.49 | CM | It's slow.. |
| 06:29.50 | cw666 | can i get a console over USB? |
| 06:29.59 | CM | Yes, definitely |
| 06:30.03 | CM | Just ssh in :-) |
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| 06:30.43 | cw666 | console |
| 06:31.03 | cw666 | ssh == shell |
| 06:31.04 | cw666 | != console |
| 06:31.16 | CM | Ähh... :-P |
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| 06:35.50 | cw666 | ScaredyCat: holding power button doesnt power it off :-( |
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| 06:37.29 | CM | cw666: It should pop up a menu |
| 06:37.34 | CM | At least it does for me |
| 06:37.49 | mdt | cw666, that needs 9sec to switch off hard |
| 06:37.58 | cw666 | mdt: held for over 20s |
| 06:38.03 | mdt | cw666, oups... |
| 06:38.08 | cw666 | is it hw that does it or the kernel? |
| 06:38.21 | CM | Yes, it will show a menu instead |
| 06:38.23 | CM | Or should |
| 06:38.28 | mdt | then there is another botton at the back, you have to open it and remove tha battery to find that one ;) |
| 06:38.48 | cw666 | mdt: if i remove the battery i dont need the button |
| 06:39.28 | cw666 | CM: for some reason i cant select the Input Manager from the list |
| 06:39.35 | cw666 | the other stuff i can |
| 06:39.51 | CM | cw666: Hehe.. Someone must be messing with you ;) |
| 06:40.09 | mdt | cw666, :D |
| 06:40.39 | cw666 | hrm |
| 06:40.52 | cw666 | id just like to have a reference base sorta working system |
| 06:40.56 | cw666 | this is really pretty insane |
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| 06:41.59 | CM | cw666: I know, me too |
| 06:42.11 | cw666 | ok, someone at work has a jtag board |
| 06:42.20 | cw666 | i guess ill get that and just build everything from the ground up |
| 06:42.46 | cw666 | CM: have you been able to make a call? |
| 06:44.33 | CM | No |
| 06:44.44 | CM | I don't have an old enough sim card |
| 06:44.52 | cw666 | ? |
| 06:45.01 | cw666 | you need a special sim card? |
| 06:45.10 | CM | Yes |
| 06:45.15 | cw666 | wtf |
| 06:45.16 | cw666 | really |
| 06:45.19 | CM | Too new won't work.. |
| 06:45.32 | cw666 | gah |
| 06:45.34 | cw666 | mine is new |
| 06:45.38 | CM | Yes, but it's the gsm ppl who messed that up, not openmoko |
| 06:46.13 | CM | There's a bug about it, and they've been working on it for a while |
| 06:46.50 | cw666 | well, it has a nice screen |
| 06:46.56 | cw666 | other than that it's basically useless :-) |
| 06:47.23 | cw666 | maybe i should send it to the blendtec people for laughs |
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| 06:52.28 | CM | cw666: Hehe.. |
| 06:52.49 | cw666 | CM: Input Manager won't start |
| 06:52.54 | CM | Would be fun.. But I'm patient enough to wait for OpenMoko to get usefull |
| 06:53.44 | cw666 | CM: just beeps but does nothing |
| 06:53.48 | cw666 | kernel mismatch? |
| 06:54.13 | ScaredyCat | at least it beeps :) |
| 06:54.32 | cw666 | wonderful |
| 06:57.22 | CM | Hmm.. I'm using these: http://claesmogren.com/~cm/neo/2007.2/ |
| 06:57.35 | CM | cw666: But no guarantees at all with them |
| 06:57.42 | mdt | can someone do me a favour? i have the same event from kernel when pushing the on/off button as when inserting the usb-cable. can someone start xev an verify that for me? (i deinstalled use x...) |
| 06:57.46 | cw666 | i wonder about the kernel version, jff2dump seeks to indicate the modules there are for 2.6.21.5-moko10 |
| 06:57.48 | CM | cw666: I broke my mtd1 block flashing them |
| 06:57.58 | cw666 | CM: broke? |
| 06:58.11 | CM | I think my uboot is bad |
| 06:58.24 | CM | sometimes mtdblock1 gets overwritten |
| 06:58.24 | cw666 | CM: so you need a debug board to fix it? |
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| 06:58.46 | CM | No, but I have to ssh in and overwrite /dev/mtdblock1 with a working dump |
| 06:58.54 | CM | Or I won't have a boot menu |
| 06:59.12 | CM | And I don't have a debug board, unfortunately... |
| 06:59.36 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem]] [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Diego]] |
| 06:59.42 | cw666 | does the screen ever dim? |
| 06:59.55 | CM | Yes, after a few minutes |
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| 07:01.59 | cw666 | CM: ok, thanks, ill try those images |
| 07:02.17 | CM | cw666: I'm warning, they're only tested by me |
| 07:02.37 | CM | And they boot and power off, and I've tried the games |
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| 07:02.58 | CM | But the terminal has the big fonts still |
| 07:03.57 | cw666 | i just want to get input to start with |
| 07:04.07 | cw666 | CM: wrt to old/new sim cards, what bug# is it? |
| 07:04.32 | CM | Can't remember.. |
| 07:04.40 | CM | !ombug 421 |
| 07:04.41 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 421, Status: ASSIGNED, Created: Unknown |
| 07:04.42 | cdbot2 | * * mickey(AT)vanille-media.de: systray applet only shows white rectangles |
| 07:04.43 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=421 |
| 07:04.48 | CM | No.. Hmm.. |
| 07:04.54 | cw666 | 666? |
| 07:05.07 | rxr | 666 |
| 07:05.21 | CM | !ombug 666 |
| 07:05.21 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 666, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 07:05.22 | cdbot2 | * * steven.demetrius(AT)fiwwi.com: 3G SIM capability |
| 07:05.23 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 |
| 07:05.27 | CM | Yes.. :-D |
| 07:05.31 | CM | Hell.. |
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| 07:07.14 | cw666 | has anyone thought abort porting the greenphone sw over? |
| 07:07.40 | mdt | cw666, why should one? |
| 07:08.05 | cw666 | mdt: no idea, never tried it to compare |
| 07:08.23 | mdt | cw666, i don't think qtopia's architecture fits with openmoko |
| 07:08.36 | cw666 | mdt: how so? |
| 07:08.40 | mdt | cw666, have u worked with a greenphone? |
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| 07:09.01 | cw666 | mdt: nope |
| 07:09.13 | mdt | cw666, qtopia is a single-app-contains-all aproach. no daemons, no unix-philosophy |
| 07:09.31 | mdt | cw666, the build process is huge (no oe!) and not documented |
| 07:09.40 | cw666 | oe? |
| 07:09.42 | CM | cw666: Ask ljp |
| 07:09.47 | cw666 | k |
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| 07:10.19 | mdt | CM, did ljp take a look on qtopia also? |
| 07:10.40 | mdt | oe == open embed, the build system for openmoko |
| 07:10.47 | CM | mdt: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/author/ljp/ |
| 07:11.49 | mdt | CM, ah, i see... |
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| 07:12.23 | mdt | cw666, compared to the neo the greenphone is really closed... |
| 07:12.46 | mdt | cw666, trolltec does not provide information on how building the flash works |
| 07:13.01 | ScaredyCat | they do |
| 07:13.08 | ScaredyCat | just not in the foss version |
| 07:13.16 | mdt | ScaredyCat, no, they statet to me they don't |
| 07:13.27 | mdt | ScaredyCat, interested in the mail communication? |
| 07:13.48 | cw666 | mdt: yeah, that's why i never got one |
| 07:13.55 | cw666 | oh, and it had some ancient 2.4.x bs kernel |
| 07:13.58 | cw666 | with closed drivers |
| 07:14.07 | mdt | cw666, yes. that's also true |
| 07:14.21 | ScaredyCat | not really... there's a lot of stuff I like about the greenphone, but unless you pay for the full blown development license you get closed stuff |
| 07:14.25 | mdt | cw666, and the driver where source is missing is one of the importants ;) |
| 07:15.56 | mdt | ScaredyCat, yes, i agree, the hardware is nice. but i startet 2 hours with the neo and immediatly dropped the greenphone. after 8 hours with the neo i was farer than after 8 weeks with the greenphone |
| 07:16.40 | ScaredyCat | i thought the greenphone was actually a working device.. |
| 07:17.06 | mdt | ScaredyCat, and here is the quote about building flash-image: |
| 07:17.06 | mdt | "Please note that modifying or re-building root file system is a |
| 07:17.07 | mdt | non-trivial task, and it is beyond our support scope. Although we can |
| 07:17.07 | mdt | provide some hints on doing this, it is not officially supported." |
| 07:17.19 | ScaredyCat | huh? |
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| 07:17.28 | ScaredyCat | isn;t that the fecking whole point |
| 07:17.30 | mdt | ScaredyCat, that's what they answered me |
| 07:17.44 | ScaredyCat | you're *supposed* to rebuild the rootfs... |
| 07:17.50 | mdt | ScaredyCat, and my company has one of those commecial license... |
| 07:18.56 | mdt | ScaredyCat, i wondered if that is legal with gnu software... |
| 07:19.17 | ScaredyCat | so wht they want is to build you the rootfs. then you get to change the single image file that actually runs all the phone stuff ? |
| 07:19.50 | ScaredyCat | I doubt it's illegal. You probably get all the source for the rootfs... etc |
| 07:20.02 | mdt | ScaredyCat, no, the rootfs only contains the linux/gnu parts. there qtopia and your (preinstalled) apps are seperate. you can build those |
| 07:20.08 | cw666 | CM: weird, i still can't start the input thang |
| 07:20.10 | ScaredyCat | but the gpl doesn;t say "and you must explain how to build it and flash it" |
| 07:20.21 | mdt | ScaredyCat, no, it does |
| 07:20.27 | ScaredyCat | no.. |
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| 07:20.37 | CM | cw666: Strange.. I used it this morning |
| 07:21.25 | ScaredyCat | otherwise there wouldn;t be the 'tivo' issue... (which isn;t an issue imho) |
| 07:21.54 | mdt | ScaredyCat, i read that somewhere on harald weltes page http://gpl-violations.org/ |
| 07:22.42 | ScaredyCat | harald clearly know fa about site colouring |
| 07:22.51 | mdt | ScaredyCat, here: "For an executable work, complete source |
| 07:22.51 | mdt | code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any |
| 07:22.51 | mdt | associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to |
| 07:22.51 | mdt | control compilation and installation of the executable." |
| 07:23.14 | mdt | ScaredyCat, quote from the gpl |
| 07:23.19 | ScaredyCat | yes, but does not require them to *explain* the build environmnet at all |
| 07:23.38 | mdt | ScaredyCat, oh, sorry, i did not qoute the rest, mom |
| 07:23.44 | ScaredyCat | they don;t need to tell you what deps etc |
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| 07:24.48 | mdt | ScaredyCat, here they say they remove the script: "We do not support customers to build their own root file |
| 07:24.48 | mdt | system. The greenphone-make-rootfs.sh script was not intended to be |
| 07:24.48 | mdt | used by customers, and it has been removed in the latest release." |
| 07:25.22 | ScaredyCat | which would have been fine... |
| 07:25.30 | ScaredyCat | except they distributed it |
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| 07:25.48 | ScaredyCat | in fact... |
| 07:25.58 | Kelly | has anybody here tested their gps with gllin? was the nmea data accurate? |
| 07:26.04 | ScaredyCat | I'm not even sure that it's not ok at all now... |
| 07:26.25 | mdt | ScaredyCat, but i don't care anymore. the neo is so much easer to develop with... okay i'm missing the keyboard |
| 07:26.27 | ScaredyCat | the rest of that kind of proves it's a gpl violation |
| 07:27.12 | ScaredyCat | yeah, the neo needs some buttons... |
| 07:27.44 | ScaredyCat | didn't I read somewhere about a bt one that you clip your phone into and it forms part of the case |
| 07:27.45 | mdt | ScaredyCat, i would like a wheel like some sony-ericsons have |
| 07:28.00 | ScaredyCat | the p910i has one... |
| 07:28.03 | ScaredyCat | I hate it |
| 07:28.07 | cw666 | mdt: what images(s) are you running? |
| 07:28.08 | ScaredyCat | it's too sensitive. |
| 07:28.18 | mdt | ScaredyCat, :D exactly that.... i like it |
| 07:28.21 | Dmitry_Platonov | ScaredyCat, where GPL violation? |
| 07:28.27 | ScaredyCat | when I go to select something it allways moves then click |
| 07:28.44 | ScaredyCat | Dmitry_Platonov: trollteck greenphone |
| 07:29.00 | ScaredyCat | [2007-08-17 08:24:11] <mdt> ScaredyCat, here they say they remove the script: "We do not support customers to build their own root file |
| 07:29.01 | ScaredyCat | [2007-08-17 08:24:11] <mdt> system. The greenphone-make-rootfs.sh script was not intended to be |
| 07:29.01 | ScaredyCat | [2007-08-17 08:24:11] <mdt> used by customers, and it has been removed in the latest release." |
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| 07:29.22 | mdt | cw666, hm, not an image, it's changed using ipkg |
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| 07:29.34 | ScaredyCat | since the gpl requires the provision of scripts used to build, and it's been distributed, then it's a violation |
| 07:29.34 | cw666 | mdt: ok, but where did you start :-_ |
| 07:29.40 | mdt | cw666, i use the u-boot the divice came with |
| 07:29.54 | mdt | cw666, i use kernel 2.6.21.6-moko11 |
| 07:29.56 | ScaredyCat | even without the prior distribution it's a violation |
| 07:30.02 | cw666 | mdt: and which rootfs with that? |
| 07:30.05 | ljp | no its not |
| 07:30.28 | mdt | cw666, an the packages mokomakefile builds currently |
| 07:30.47 | mdt | cw666, there was a rootfs with that kernel but that url disapeared :/ |
| 07:33.09 | mdt | cw666, oh, no, i'm wrong. i installed root&fs in an older version, that updated the kernel and updated the modules with ipkg. |
| 07:34.06 | mdt | cw666, the image was named openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070612040932.rootfs.jffs2 as far as my download dir does not lie |
| 07:35.12 | Dmitry_Platonov | ScaredyCat, if it's "derived work" of some GPL product. |
| 07:35.31 | mdt | cw666, i didn't get the beginning - what was your problem? |
| 07:35.40 | ScaredyCat | the gpl has a requirement for the build scripts makefiles etc |
| 07:35.47 | cw666 | mdt: i cant get the Input Manager to start |
| 07:36.10 | cw666 | mdt: and gsm doesnt work, that probably the sim old/new issue, not sure |
| 07:36.15 | CM | cw666: Can you start it if you ssh in? |
| 07:36.19 | CM | Via usb? |
| 07:36.23 | cw666 | CM: not tried |
| 07:36.24 | mdt | cw666, so the device boot fine? network is up? |
| 07:36.34 | cw666 | cant i use serial usb and get a console? |
| 07:36.55 | CM | cw666: Not while it's on I think, only if you select it from the boot menu |
| 07:37.03 | CM | But I might be wrong.. |
| 07:37.18 | mdt | cw666, no, only with u-boot. after that your neo is a network device on the usb |
| 07:37.32 | cw666 | i dont have the usb ethenet network goop built on this machine |
| 07:37.37 | cw666 | i would have to rebuild it |
| 07:37.38 | ljp | ScaredyCat: Trolltech still has sources for the root filesystem available, including the makefiles |
| 07:37.50 | mdt | cw666, hm, that you probably have to... |
| 07:38.02 | ScaredyCat | but not the script used to build the flash? |
| 07:38.28 | ljp | it should be still available. but its not a GPL violation is ifs not |
| 07:38.43 | ljp | does motorola provide its build tools? |
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| 07:39.00 | PBeck | hi :) |
| 07:39.03 | ScaredyCat | that maks no difference |
| 07:39.15 | ScaredyCat | that's motorolas problem |
| 07:39.35 | xkr47 | cw666, if you have the source code of your kernel and the same version of gcc installed as was used to compile the kernel, you can build the usb networking as a module without even needing to restart the computer |
| 07:39.41 | ScaredyCat | "The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. For an executable work, complete source code means all the source code for all modules it contains, plus any associated interface definition files, plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable." |
| 07:39.54 | xkr47 | cw666, the kernel options needed are listed on the [[USB Networking]] page on the wiki |
| 07:40.03 | ScaredyCat | the debate would have to be if the flash image was regarded as an 'executable' |
| 07:40.05 | cw666 | xkr47: yeah, i know :-) but this laptop's kernel was built a long time ago on a sanely fast machine |
| 07:40.06 | ljp | yes, and thats included in each of the packages.. |
| 07:40.15 | xkr47 | cw666, doh |
| 07:40.18 | cw666 | i'll just replace the entire kernel here, not that hard |
| 07:40.27 | xkr47 | ok ^^ |
| 07:40.42 | ScaredyCat | in any case, it's another 'tivo' momnet if it's not an actual violation, it's a 'violation of the spirit' |
| 07:40.48 | ljp | ScaredyCat: its not executable, nor is it a derived work |
| 07:42.03 | ScaredyCat | yes, but 'for the executable to work' (ie any executable in the flash imge) you'd need to flash it to the phone |
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| 07:42.37 | ScaredyCat | since installation requires flashing.... |
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| 07:42.57 | ScaredyCat | which requires building the roofs... |
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| 07:44.19 | ScaredyCat | ... but as mdt suggested, trolltech's open and fic's open are miles apart.... |
| 07:44.29 | ScaredyCat | I prefer fic's |
| 07:44.36 | _diego_ | I agree |
| 07:44.58 | ScaredyCat | I'm pretty sure having harald around stops fic doing any gpl violations :) |
| 07:46.19 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2719 10/trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/sam7dfu.c: make dfu-util produce a working binary on Win32 platforms |
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| 07:46.30 | ScaredyCat | hhf423_away: |
| 07:46.41 | ScaredyCat | hhf423_away: <CIA-20> openmoko: laforge * r2719 /trunk/src/host/dfu-util/src/sam7dfu.c: make dfu-util produce a working binary on Win32 platforms |
| 07:47.03 | ScaredyCat | he's a windows user .. ;) |
| 07:47.10 | ljp | ScaredyCat: you do not need to 'flash' to get an executable on the system |
| 07:47.48 | ljp | ScaredyCat: if you want to know something, Trolltech actually defended the GPL on the Greenphone... |
| 07:48.59 | mdt | as i said: working with the neo is so much faster.... |
| 07:49.02 | ScaredyCat | it's a moot point really... the neo just makes the greenphone look like a corporate lockin |
| 07:49.54 | ScaredyCat | but... I still think that, based on what I've seen, you could argue it as a violation .. it's all about interpretation... |
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| 07:50.26 | CM | I think the Greenphone was a good initiative, but didn't go the whole way and be truly open. |
| 07:50.28 | mdt | everything is ready to go (my app needs some open source libraries) |
| 07:51.28 | _diego_ | expecially couse they want to sell a development tools, so they don't want you be able to remove it with something else |
| 07:51.33 | ScaredyCat | CM: I agree, it certainly got me interested, and if it hadn't been for the neo, I'd have one right now. |
| 07:51.33 | mdt | i just bild the libs with oe where i had to crosscompile everything myself with the greenphone |
| 07:51.54 | CM | :) |
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| 07:51.59 | ScaredyCat | xkr47: law is *all* about interpretation |
| 07:52.09 | mdt | ScaredyCat, sadly true |
| 07:52.35 | xkr47 | hmm.. well yeah to some extent.. but maybe I meant "one common interpretation" |
| 07:52.36 | xkr47 | :) |
| 07:53.13 | ScaredyCat | I interpret that as " ScaredyCat's interpretation" |
| 07:53.17 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 07:53.31 | mdt | xkr47, at the end of the day companies have to earn money. even fic has to |
| 07:53.46 | ScaredyCat | xkr47: that's generally setting a president |
| 07:53.52 | ScaredyCat | precedent |
| 07:53.56 | xkr47 | :) |
| 07:53.58 | cw666 | git pull |
| 07:54.02 | mdt | xkr47, and trolltech does sell qtopia. the greenphone is advertising for the development env qtopia |
| 07:54.03 | CM | wtf, why is the makefile trying to build /linux-omap-2.6_2.6.9-omap1.bb now |
| 07:54.05 | cw666 | oops |
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| 07:54.16 | xkr47 | I don't mind people making money out of os.. :P |
| 07:54.27 | xkr47 | :) |
| 07:54.43 | mdt | xkr47, i do either... |
| 07:54.47 | ScaredyCat | probably for libxml2 CM ;) |
| 07:55.06 | mdt | question is where does fic get its money? |
| 07:55.17 | XorA | customers |
| 07:55.17 | ScaredyCat | the devil pays them |
| 07:55.32 | ScaredyCat | it's part of his evil plan |
| 07:55.43 | mdt | ScaredyCat, shure... than i am one of the devils. :D |
| 07:56.18 | ScaredyCat | all open source is evil, it gives the terrorists stuff... it's bad... think of the children, wont someone think of the children |
| 07:56.41 | ScaredyCat | oh shit, for a moment there my brain booted into Windows. |
| 07:57.18 | ScaredyCat | probably via a Sony rootkit |
| 07:57.26 | hhf423_away | woot |
| 07:57.56 | hhf423_away | ScaredyCat: has anyone put the binaries for a win32 dfu util somewhere? |
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| 07:58.14 | ScaredyCat | no idea, just saw the log and thought you'd want to know |
| 07:58.33 | hhf423_away | ScaredyCat: yes, thanks |
| 07:58.42 | ScaredyCat | depends what it needs to build it... |
| 07:58.54 | ScaredyCat | I have vc 6 somewhere.. |
| 07:59.18 | hhf423_away | yeah, somewhere :-) |
| 07:59.29 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 08:00.09 | ScaredyCat | webkit ? |
| 08:00.49 | mdt | btw - is webkit inlcuded right now? |
| 08:01.06 | Kelly | anyone in here knowledgeable about the neo's gps? |
| 08:01.43 | mjr | Kelly, why don't you ask what you want to know and we'll see how knowledgeable you need |
| 08:02.25 | ScaredyCat | jeddy3: ping |
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| 08:03.24 | Dmitry_Platonov | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS8417344656.html - how about this? |
| 08:03.26 | ScaredyCat | mdt it gets built it seems |
| 08:03.56 | mdt | ScaredyCat, :D is it included in OE? |
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| 08:04.29 | ScaredyCat | dunno, I've not managed a full build twith the new new makefile |
| 08:04.44 | ScaredyCat | webCore.. |
| 08:05.59 | ScaredyCat | Running task 1005 of 3543 |
| 08:06.52 | ynezz | you're testing the new Makefile? |
| 08:07.03 | daMaestro | omg.. my head just suffered a kernel panic |
| 08:07.06 | daMaestro | "Traditionally, mobile phones based on "open" operating systems such as Linux, Symbian, and Windows Mobile have had a dual-processor architecture." |
| 08:07.11 | ScaredyCat | ynezz: yes |
| 08:07.13 | daMaestro | what? windows mobile? |
| 08:07.18 | mjr | daMaestro, *panic* |
| 08:07.19 | daMaestro | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6896388758.html |
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| 08:07.44 | ynezz | ah, because you just need to update OE and rebuild new stuff |
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| 08:08.15 | CM | ~seen rwhitby |
| 08:08.18 | apt | rwhitby is currently on #maemo (4d 8h 12m) #oe (4d 8h 12m) #openmoko (4d 8h 12m) #nslu2-linux (4d 8h 12m) #openjtag (4d 8h 12m) #openslug (4d 8h 12m). Has said a total of 333 messages. Is idling for 6h 16s, last said: 'ljp: I grew up in Qld, and went to UQ. Folks are still on the Gold Coast.'. |
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| 08:08.36 | ScaredyCat | ynezz: the new one can build .2 and .1 |
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| 08:09.39 | ynezz | ScaredyCat: well i just used the makefile to setup the environment, now I update and build by hand... |
| 08:09.48 | ScaredyCat | ah k... |
| 08:10.10 | ynezz | and I've updated and build the .2 sucesfuly like 6hrs ago |
| 08:10.10 | ScaredyCat | well for me yesturday it kept failing on libxml2 ... today... we'll see |
| 08:10.42 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: I just did a make update, make clobber and make openmoko-devel-image, it died on libxml2-native again |
| 08:10.43 | Dmitry_Platonov | daMaestro, note quotes around "open" :-) |
| 08:11.04 | daMaestro | the sentence is just flawed to me |
| 08:11.26 | ScaredyCat | gordonsyme: I just rm'd the dir and am trying again... iirc libxml2 is quite early on.... |
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| 08:11.46 | ScaredyCat | and I'm at task 1075 atm |
| 08:11.55 | ScaredyCat | fingers crossed |
| 08:12.11 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: Nice, for me libxml2-native is task 580-odd |
| 08:12.27 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: I think I'll give the dir killing a go |
| 08:12.36 | Kelly | mjr: i did ask. Has anybody used their gps with gllin? if yes. Do they know if the data was accurate? Mine is out by 20km |
| 08:12.48 | ScaredyCat | worth a go gordonsyme |
| 08:13.08 | ScaredyCat | Kelly: how many sats? |
| 08:13.21 | Kelly | 8 sats |
| 08:13.59 | ScaredyCat | 20km is a lot... |
| 08:14.23 | Dmitry_Platonov | ScaredyCat, gordonsyme: what branch does mokomakefile uses? org.openembedded.dev? |
| 08:14.24 | Kelly | i know, its strange. Its about 1-2km in the lat and 20km in the long |
| 08:14.47 | CM | ScaredyCat: Tell me if you get past the kernel.. |
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| 08:15.08 | ynezz | kernel won't build? |
| 08:15.21 | CM | ynezz: http://rafb.net/p/D07fht23.html |
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| 08:15.34 | cw666 | gah, i screwed the pointer calibration |
| 08:15.50 | cw666 | what file to a rm or whatever to have it ask me to recalibrate it again? |
| 08:15.58 | XorA | cw666: /etc/pointercal |
| 08:16.07 | cw666 | thanks |
| 08:16.25 | ynezz | CM: isn't that wrong package? |
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| 08:17.24 | ScaredyCat | Dmitry_Platonov: http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/ |
| 08:17.43 | CM | ynezz: I have no idea.. What I tried to do was to copy the linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.21.5-fic-gta01 to linux/defconfig, but then it totally weirds out: http://rafb.net/p/MV8aCg95.html |
| 08:17.44 | gordonsyme | Dmitry_Platonov: looks like org.openembedded.dev |
| 08:19.04 | ynezz | CM: don't do such things :p have you done make update? |
| 08:19.24 | ynezz | and it succesfuly completed? |
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| 08:20.55 | CM | ynezz: Yes, and make setup |
| 08:21.10 | CM | ynezz: twice, before touching anything else |
| 08:21.16 | ynezz | strange |
| 08:21.19 | Dmitry_Platonov | I'm asking because I build images "by hand" using bitbake, and latest libxml2-native in my tree is -2.6.29 (without -r1), which builds fine. |
| 08:21.37 | CM | ynezz: Then I tried to remove the linux/linux dir completely, and ran make setup |
| 08:21.50 | ynezz | it's not there |
| 08:21.52 | CM | It re-created it, and wanted to build the omap kernel again |
| 08:21.57 | Dmitry_Platonov | and yes, I did mtn pull and mtn update |
| 08:22.05 | ynezz | it's bitbake, choosing wrong package somehow i think |
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| 08:22.32 | ynezz | it should be some gta kernel i think, dunno off-hand |
| 08:23.03 | CM | Yes, it should be fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-2.6.21-r5 |
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| 08:23.57 | J-23 | Hello! |
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| 08:24.32 | CM | ynezz: Just hope I won't have to rebuild everything from scratch again.. Took 11hours last time |
| 08:25.10 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2720 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (11 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 08:25.10 | CIA-20 | openmoko: From: Andrzej Zaborowski <balrog@zabor.org> |
| 08:25.10 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:32:38 +0200 |
| 08:25.10 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] SMSC and Preferred Storage operations. |
| 08:25.10 | CIA-20 | openmoko: This adds setting and retrieval of SMS storage stats (memory type, used |
| 08:25.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: entries, all entries), and of the default service centre (SMSC) number for |
| 08:25.15 | CIA-20 | openmoko: outgoing messages. The operation of setting a new SMSC number is untested |
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| 08:26.05 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2721 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (8 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 08:26.05 | CIA-20 | openmoko: From: Andrzej Zaborowski <balrog@zabor.org> |
| 08:26.05 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:00:52 +0200 |
| 08:26.05 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] Cell Broadcast messages enabling/disabling and notifications. |
| 08:26.05 | CIA-20 | openmoko: This adds GSMD_CB_SUBSCRIBE and GSMD_CB_UNSIBSCRIBE commands handling and |
| 08:26.07 | CIA-20 | openmoko: proper handling of th +CMTI, +CMT, +CBMI, +CBM, +CDSI, +CDS unsolicited codes. |
| 08:26.09 | CIA-20 | openmoko: It's also an overhaul of sms_cb.c which I first though stood for sms |
| 08:26.40 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2722 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (7 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 08:26.40 | CIA-20 | openmoko: From: Andrzej Zaborowski <balrog@zabor.org> |
| 08:26.40 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:29:44 +0200 |
| 08:26.40 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] Multiline unsolicited responses parsing. |
| 08:26.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: +CMT, +CBM and +CDS responses two lines long in PDU mode and the parser has |
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| 08:26.43 | CIA-20 | openmoko: problem with them. As it was mentioned earlier there's no way for the parser |
| 08:26.45 | CIA-20 | openmoko: to know if a new line is part of the most recent command response or |
| 08:26.51 | xkr47 | lot'sof patching :) |
| 08:27.19 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2723 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (7 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 08:27.19 | CIA-20 | openmoko: From: Andrzej Zaborowski <balrog@zabor.org> |
| 08:27.19 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:39:15 +0200 |
| 08:27.20 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] Cell Broadcast message decoding and presentation in libgsmd-tool. |
| 08:27.20 | CIA-20 | openmoko: This time Cell Broadcast is tested to work, I should have made tests earlier. |
| 08:27.22 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Now I'm correctly getting a CB message with the human readable name of the city |
| 08:27.24 | CIA-20 | openmoko: and district when I'm connecting. In the previous patches the CB PDU was not |
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| 08:27.31 | zecke | nice |
| 08:27.38 | El_Salvador | lol |
| 08:27.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2724 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/libgsmd/libgsmd.c: (log message trimmed) |
| 08:27.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: From: Andrzej Zaborowski <balrog@zabor.org> |
| 08:27.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:28:28 +0200 |
| 08:27.42 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] Correctly split long usock reads into packets. |
| 08:27.43 | CIA-20 | openmoko: This is a patch for an unrelated to the above discussion timing issue in |
| 08:27.45 | CIA-20 | openmoko: libgsmd. In particular, when the modem responds fast enough, gsmd generates |
| 08:27.47 | CIA-20 | openmoko: usock packets fast enough for libgsmd to read multiple packets in a single read |
| 08:28.12 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2725 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 08:28.12 | CIA-20 | openmoko: From: Andrzej Zaborowski <balrog@zabor.org> |
| 08:28.12 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:26:36 +0200 |
| 08:28.12 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] Operations on the preferred operators list. |
| 08:28.12 | CIA-20 | openmoko: This makes use of the AT+CPOL variants to add / delete / list entries in the |
| 08:28.13 | CIA-20 | openmoko: preferred operators list on the SIM. There's some inconsistency, similarly as |
| 08:28.17 | CIA-20 | openmoko: with operator selection, in that we return operator names in long |
| 08:28.49 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2726 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (6 files in 5 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 08:28.49 | CIA-20 | openmoko: SIM Phonebook access implementation. |
| 08:28.49 | CIA-20 | openmoko: This patch adds primitive-but-working support for SIM phonebook access, |
| 08:28.49 | CIA-20 | openmoko: including phonebook memory storage and entry read/write/delete. Also, |
| 08:28.50 | CIA-20 | openmoko: libgsmd-tools shell is modified to perform listing actions. |
| 08:28.50 | CIA-20 | openmoko: API changes: |
| 08:28.52 | CIA-20 | openmoko: lgsm_pb_read_entryies -> lgsm_pb_read_entries |
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| 08:29.34 | ScaredyCat | whooaah! |
| 08:29.49 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2727 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/ (Makefile.am gsmd.c): Implement GSMD version printout (Matt Mets <matt.mets@cibomahto.com>) |
| 08:30.26 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2728 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Use vendor specific ext_chars. |
| 08:30.27 | ScaredyCat | oh crap |
| 08:30.45 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2729 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: Wait for the AT Interpreter Ready message. |
| 08:30.46 | ScaredyCat | gordonsyme: NOTE: Running task 1179 of 3543 (ID: 3523, /home/moko/newBuild/openembedded/packages/libxml/libxml2-native_2.6.29.bb, do_compile) |
| 08:31.03 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2730 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/vendor_tihtc.c: HTC TI modem sequence fixlet. |
| 08:31.21 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2731 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/vendor_qc.c: Ignore [WCDMA] messages in HTC Universal. |
| 08:31.23 | jeddy3 | pong |
| 08:31.28 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: d'oh, I'm still checking out after the clobber. Ah well, it'll give my comp something to do :) |
| 08:31.31 | ynezz | it's like 12 patches i think :p |
| 08:31.39 | ScaredyCat | it's moved gordonsyme |
| 08:31.54 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, pong :) |
| 08:31.54 | ScaredyCat | the configure worked... |
| 08:32.06 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2732 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (include/gsmd/gsmd.h src/gsmd/atcmd.c): mlbuf in gsmd struct (Andrzej Zaborowski) |
| 08:32.07 | ScaredyCat | jeddy3: just building agin... |
| 08:32.17 | gordonsyme | Yup, saw that ScaredyCat :/ Might as well let it build to that point anyway |
| 08:32.18 | ScaredyCat | configure on libxml2 worked |
| 08:32.24 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, it's working again? |
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| 08:32.46 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2733 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Add retrieving phone's own subscriber number. (Andrzej Zaborowski) |
| 08:32.54 | ScaredyCat | I'll tell you in a minutes jeddy3 |
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| 08:35.14 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: package libxml2-native-2.6.29: failed |
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| 08:36.06 | ScaredyCat | so no jeddy3, it's not |
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| 08:36.12 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, aight |
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| 08:36.52 | CM | rwhitby-n800: Time for a question on the makefile? |
| 08:37.41 | ScaredyCat | looks like an old problem too jeddy3 |
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| 08:37.57 | ScaredyCat | look at the date here: http://openwrt.pastebin.ca/641775 |
| 08:38.01 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, why is that? |
| 08:38.04 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, ah |
| 08:38.52 | ScaredyCat | so either florian fixed his issue... |
| 08:39.21 | ScaredyCat | which probably means we have to shoot rwhitby-n800 or something |
| 08:39.37 | gordonsyme | How are the FIC crowd building OM-2007.2? There must be a workaround for this |
| 08:39.38 | ScaredyCat | or it'll never go away... |
| 08:39.50 | florian | good morning |
| 08:39.55 | ScaredyCat | what version of python have you all got? |
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| 08:40.01 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 08:40.12 | ScaredyCat | florian: are yo the same florian... http://openwrt.pastebin.ca/641775 ? |
| 08:40.37 | ynezz | 2.5 i think |
| 08:41.02 | florian | ScaredyCat: no |
| 08:41.19 | ynezz | i'm 3356/3522 |
| 08:41.27 | ScaredyCat | florian: that's a shame... |
| 08:41.49 | ScaredyCat | openmoko@mokomaker:~$ python --version |
| 08:41.50 | ScaredyCat | Python 2.5.1 |
| 08:41.56 | ScaredyCat | gordonsyme, jeddy3 ? |
| 08:42.00 | CM | I have 2.4.4 |
| 08:42.12 | gordonsyme | Python 2.5.1 |
| 08:42.13 | jeddy3 | 2.5.1 |
| 08:42.17 | ScaredyCat | boom |
| 08:42.24 | gordonsyme | Surely it shouldn't be using my system python though |
| 08:42.41 | rwhitby-n800 | the official word is that rm_work doesn't work in bb 1.8 (which is required for OM-2007.2) |
| 08:43.03 | ScaredyCat | /usr/include/python2.5/intobject.h:44: |
| 08:43.09 | gordonsyme | As in, shouldn't everything be self-contained within the openmoko distribution |
| 08:43.12 | rwhitby-n800 | so better free up some disk space now ... |
| 08:43.37 | CM | rwhitby-n800: Will it break anything if you do have it in the local.conf? |
| 08:44.11 | rwhitby-n800 | no, leave it in |
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| 08:44.33 | rwhitby-n800 | it may work soon, RP willing ... |
| 08:44.42 | CM | I noticed :-) |
| 08:45.12 | CM | rwhitby-n800: My problem with the Makefile right now is that it wants to build an omap1 kernel, no idea why: http://rafb.net/p/MV8aCg95.html |
| 08:45.16 | rwhitby-n800 | ScaredyCat: s.e.p. |
| 08:45.36 | ScaredyCat | it's been in there since at least 1st august. |
| 08:46.02 | RP | rwhitby-n800: pushed ;-) |
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| 08:46.02 | ScaredyCat | is there a python version dependancy ? |
| 08:47.29 | rwhitby-n800 | RP: wil that make rmall work too? |
| 08:47.57 | RP | rwhitby-n800: It removes rmall, rw_work does everything you need |
| 08:48.28 | cw666 | CM: ok, i can see the input managerr is running |
| 08:48.35 | cw666 | but no keyboard widget is visible... |
| 08:48.48 | rwhitby | RP: even if I've built stuff without rm_work, and want to clean it up without rebuilding from scratch? |
| 08:48.52 | CM | cw666: Try killing it and restart |
| 08:49.07 | cw666 | CM: im bac on 2007.1 ... what is the way to do that? |
| 08:49.10 | cw666 | to kill and restart it? |
| 08:49.19 | cw666 | the 'right' way i should say |
| 08:49.34 | CM | Hmm.. I don't know the right way, I usually just ssh in and kill it |
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| 08:49.35 | RP | rwhitby: rm_work now has all the functionality rmall had |
| 08:50.21 | rwhitby | RP: I see no changes on a berlios 1.8 branch checkout - is there a delay on berlios for anon svn ? |
| 08:50.34 | rwhitby | (I'm at r907) |
| 08:50.43 | RP | rwhitby: Thats the latest |
| 08:50.49 | cw666 | CM: right, did that |
| 08:50.59 | cw666 | CM: this has got to me a user (me) error |
| 08:51.07 | cw666 | like i cant even see how to start it again from the GUI |
| 08:51.16 | cw666 | from ssh i can start it again, but it complains |
| 08:51.46 | rwhitby | RP: and the change is on the bitbake-1.8 branch? |
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| 08:52.16 | RP | rwhitby: I didn't enable the bit that needs the change but yes, it was checked in yesterday |
| 08:52.17 | rwhitby | (cause we have an import-bitbake target in the nslu2-linux Makefile, which pulls it from svn and puts it in our org.nslu2-linux.bitbake branch, and it showed no changes) |
| 08:52.33 | RP | rwhitby: The changes I checked in were to rm_work.bbclass |
| 08:52.45 | rwhitby | RP: ah, so it was enabled in OE. thanks. |
| 08:52.48 | CM | RP: I get a lot of these now: ERROR: QA issue: libcurl.la failed sanity test (reference to workdir or installed) |
| 08:53.02 | RP | CM: Not my department ;-) |
| 08:53.07 | CM | Didn't get it yesterday. (Updated to r907) |
| 08:53.10 | CM | Aha :) |
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| 08:59.57 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison]] [[User_talk:HaraldWelte]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Berlin]] [[User:Holone]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Oslo]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Frankfurt_Main]] and other changes |
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| 09:02.10 | jeddy3 | wich images is the best way to go for 2007.2? mickeys? |
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| 09:03.26 | rwhitby | To clean up your om2007.2 build dir, do: cd build ; source ../setup-env ; bitbake -c rm_work openmoko-devel-image |
| 09:03.44 | rwhitby | that should free up some GBs of space |
| 09:04.06 | rwhitby | and make sure you have INHERIT += "rm_work" in build/conf/local.conf for all future builds. |
| 09:04.34 | rwhitby | RP: seems to be working nicely - thanks! |
| 09:06.42 | CM | rwhitby: Unfortunately I get this: ERROR: Task /home/moko/openembedded/packages/dfu-util/dfu-util-native_svn.bb (do_rm_work) has circular dependency on /home/moko/openembedded/packages/ipkg/ipkg-native_0.99.163.bb (do_rm_work) |
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| 09:07.48 | ixs | rwhitby: noticed http://pastebin.ca/660418 ? |
| 09:07.54 | ixs | rwhitby: something strange with the makefile there. |
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| 09:10.21 | C7_ | CM im getting the same error .. |
| 09:10.36 | RP | CM: What was the command you used exactly? |
| 09:10.53 | ScaredyCat | cd build ; source ../setup-env ; bitbake -c rm_work openmoko-devel-image |
| 09:11.05 | CM | RP: The one rwhitby suggested ^^ |
| 09:11.12 | CM | As ScaredyCat said |
| 09:11.57 | ynezz | ScaredyCat: to fix that libxml2 error, just delete unpacked libxml2 sources in tmp/work/armv4t-* and all libxml2* files in tmp/stamps |
| 09:12.02 | ynezz | it worked for me |
| 09:12.12 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 09:13.55 | ynezz | it's some strange ./configure error i got also with some other packages aswell |
| 09:14.20 | rwhitby | ixs: s.e.p. |
| 09:15.15 | J-23 | Is Neo1973 OpenSource? |
| 09:15.35 | ixs | rwhitby: is it? bitbake? |
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| 09:16.19 | ScaredyCat | doesn;t fix it here ynezz |
| 09:16.46 | ynezz | hm, pastebin the log |
| 09:17.41 | mdt | the discussion on openmoko-apps is very funny.... they discuss using gps for unmuting the ringer on the neo where not even the gsm is working... :D |
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| 09:18.29 | ScaredyCat | ynezz: http://pastebin.ca/660799 |
| 09:18.59 | ynezz | ah it's different error :) |
| 09:19.17 | ScaredyCat | line 61. |
| 09:20.26 | CM | XorA: It failed for me once, but worked when I rebooted |
| 09:21.28 | XorA | CM: as far as I can see its trying to start the non existant mb-panel 1 |
| 09:22.17 | RP | CM: I can't reproduce the circular dependencies... |
| 09:22.37 | CM | RP: It's ok, I'll try again from scratch, rebuilding everything |
| 09:23.02 | CM | RP: I haven't touch anything since it built yesterday, so I can't say what's wrong. |
| 09:23.05 | ynezz | ScaredyCat: ah, just noticed it's for host, i686 not for arm :p |
| 09:23.41 | ynezz | trying to rebuild now |
| 09:25.04 | ynezz | ScaredyCat: and it's for .2, right ? :p |
| 09:25.13 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 09:26.38 | ynezz | build fine |
| 09:26.42 | ynezz | :p |
| 09:26.46 | C7_ | RP: im having the same circular dependencies problem ... i have not enough space to complete the build without rm_work |
| 09:27.27 | RP | C7_: With bitbake -c rm_work openmoko-devel-image |
| 09:27.31 | RP | ? |
| 09:27.33 | ynezz | ScaredyCat: but i'm using MasterMakefile... |
| 09:27.49 | ScaredyCat | mastermakefile? |
| 09:27.55 | C7_ | yes |
| 09:28.15 | ynezz | anyway my OE_REVISION="84bfe..." |
| 09:28.15 | C7_ | RP: and with INHERIT += "rm_work" |
| 09:29.00 | ynezz | ScaredyCat: yes, the one mentioned on .2 wiki page and it's used to build images on nslu2-linux |
| 09:29.22 | ScaredyCat | http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/branches/OM-2007.2/Makefile |
| 09:29.58 | ynezz | what's your OE_REVISION? |
| 09:30.00 | ScaredyCat | ynezz: both fail on libxml2 for me... previously i used the same one as you with no problems... now it doenslt work |
| 09:30.02 | rwhitby | ynezz: you should probably use the alpha mastermakefile now - I can't guarantee the nslu2-linux master makefile will continue to work for openmoko in the way that people here will expect |
| 09:30.17 | rwhitby | s/alpha mastermakefile/alpha mokomakefile/ |
| 09:30.51 | ynezz | rwhitby: well i've used it to setup the environment, will do that by hand |
| 09:31.11 | ynezz | and want to modify it for ep93xx builds also |
| 09:31.14 | RP | C7_: Can you pastebin the output showing your "OE Build Configuration" |
| 09:31.38 | ScaredyCat | erm... |
| 09:31.55 | ScaredyCat | what should my MACHINE = be, still the fic_gta01 ? |
| 09:32.11 | ynezz | mine is also |
| 09:32.24 | ynezz | what's your oe_revision? |
| 09:33.05 | C7_ | RP: http://pastebin.ca/660808 |
| 09:33.15 | ynezz | rwhitby: could it be a problem if I continue to use mtn pull from monotone on nslu2? |
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| 09:34.25 | rwhitby | ynezz: no, it should be synced every 10 minutes with monotone.openembedded.org |
| 09:34.34 | ynezz | ok, fine |
| 09:34.40 | rwhitby | if you want to build multiple OE distro's then feel free to continue using it. |
| 09:34.49 | ScaredyCat | wtf is the damn structure of that cmd |
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| 09:35.05 | ScaredyCat | mtn db version db OE.mtn |
| 09:35.55 | ScaredyCat | stupid asshat monotone... |
| 09:36.10 | ScaredyCat | what sort of gimp thinks mixing command types is a good idea |
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| 09:46.29 | XorA | segfault in matchbox-panel-2 is why its not starting |
| 09:48.21 | ScaredyCat | were you talking to me ynezz? |
| 09:51.15 | RP | C7_: Thanks, I'll try and have a look when I get a minute |
| 09:51.32 | ynezz | ScaredyCat: yes |
| 09:51.59 | ScaredyCat | my oe rev is 84bfe56f75bc502e743ed650739a0764fffe433a |
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| 09:52.24 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: get that voice changer implemented for the neo then please ;) |
| 09:52.45 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: I think I have managed to get past the dreaded libxml2-native compile! |
| 09:52.57 | ScaredyCat | gordonsyme: ! |
| 09:53.05 | ScaredyCat | are you sure... |
| 09:53.06 | gordonsyme | Indeed :) |
| 09:53.15 | ScaredyCat | it occurs much later in the build |
| 09:53.23 | gordonsyme | Give me a _little_ more time |
| 09:53.27 | ScaredyCat | (or did for me) |
| 09:53.33 | ScaredyCat | wat did you change? |
| 09:53.49 | gordonsyme | go to the unpacked libxml2-native source |
| 09:53.54 | cesarb | Yay, my Neo is on São Paulo already! |
| 09:53.56 | cesarb | ~xkcd |
| 09:53.57 | apt | [xkcd] http://xkcd.com/281/ |
| 09:54.03 | gordonsyme | build/tmp/work/i686-linux/libxml2-native-2.6.29-r1/libxml2-2.6.29 |
| 09:54.21 | gordonsyme | then edit include/libxml/xmlversion.h |
| 09:54.26 | CM | cesarb: Todays xckcd and the one before were truly funny :) |
| 09:54.35 | CM | s/xck/xk/ |
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| 09:55.04 | gordonsyme | search for LIBXML_CATALOG_ENABLED and change the #ifdef 0 to #ifdef 1 so that the XML catalog support is enabled |
| 09:55.35 | cesarb | CM: I liked 303 more... I've so done that so many times :D |
| 09:56.05 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: diff is |
| 09:56.08 | gordonsyme | @@ -219,7 +219,7 @@ |
| 09:56.08 | gordonsyme | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.08 | gordonsyme | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.08 | gordonsyme | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.08 | gordonsyme | -#if 0 |
| 09:56.08 | gordonsyme | +#if 1 |
| 09:56.10 | gordonsyme | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.12 | gordonsyme | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.13 | ynezz | ScaredyCat: isn't that problem distro related? i686 should use host compiler/env right? |
| 09:56.14 | gordonsyme | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.41 | ynezz | I wonder what's gordonsyme, ScaredyCat distro :p |
| 09:56.53 | CM | gordonsyme: http://pastebin.ca/ is nice some times *hint* :) |
| 09:57.15 | gordonsyme | CM: true, but it's only wafer-thin :) |
| 09:57.18 | gordonsyme | point taken though |
| 09:57.22 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2734 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/ (Makefile.am machine.c vendor_bcm.c): Add Broadcom BCM2132 vendor plugin (Alex Osborne) |
| 09:57.57 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2735 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: |
| 09:57.57 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Change alive check and first commands to bare "AT" |
| 09:57.57 | CIA-20 | openmoko: The BCM2132 responds ERROR to ATV and ATE when it is in the radio off |
| 09:57.57 | CIA-20 | openmoko: mode (AT+CFUN=0). This causes the alive check and first command to both |
| 09:57.57 | CIA-20 | openmoko: fail so this changes them both to just bare AT. (Alex Osborne) |
| 09:58.21 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2736 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (include/gsmd/gsmd.h src/gsmd/atcmd.c src/gsmd/vendor_bcm.c): Add a flag to allow LFCR as a valid linebreak. (Alex Osborne) |
| 09:58.46 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: you're welcome |
| 09:58.47 | cesarb | LFCR? |
| 09:58.55 | cesarb | That's... strange |
| 09:58.58 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2737 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/include/libgsmd/Makefile.am: |
| 09:58.58 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Add Headers to pkginclude (Philipp Zabel <philipp.zabel@gmail.com>) |
| 09:58.58 | CIA-20 | openmoko: src/util/pin.h is a local header to libgsmd-tool. The pin.h |
| 09:58.58 | CIA-20 | openmoko: header of libgsmd is in include/libgsmd. |
| 09:58.58 | CIA-20 | openmoko: The attached patch adds libgsmd/sms.h and pin.h to the list of |
| 09:58.59 | CIA-20 | openmoko: installed headers. |
| 09:59.19 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2738 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: Change copyrigt to OpenMoko and contributors |
| 09:59.42 | ynezz | strange gsm :p |
| 10:00.15 | ScaredyCat | gordonsyme: can you stick it on the wiki .. |
| 10:00.19 | ScaredyCat | for others |
| 10:00.33 | gordonsyme | Sure, whereabouts? |
| 10:00.58 | ScaredyCat | on the om2007.2 page? |
| 10:01.04 | ScaredyCat | at the bottom ? |
| 10:01.17 | rwhitby | CM: Treo650 |
| 10:01.26 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: package libxml2-native-2.6.29-r1: task do_compile: completed |
| 10:01.26 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: package libxml2-native-2.6.29: completed |
| 10:01.31 | gordonsyme | The thing that confuses me is that I changed the bitbake file for libxml2-native to enable catalog support in the ./configure of the package but it didn't seem to make a difference |
| 10:01.41 | CM | rwhitby: Ok :) |
| 10:01.47 | rwhitby | Alex is working on getting openmoko to run on a Treo 650 I believe. |
| 10:02.05 | ScaredyCat | hhhmmm... tis odd then gordonsyme |
| 10:02.15 | CM | Hehe, I can imageine ;) |
| 10:02.51 | rwhitby | might have to port/recompile POSE to openmoko |
| 10:04.42 | rwhitby | 6 gig reclaimed and couting :-) |
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| 10:04.54 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: I may have fluffed something. I don't think so since I did a `make clobber` before rebuilding. rwhitby? |
| 10:04.55 | rwhitby | counting even |
| 10:05.38 | CM | rwhitby: It just failed for me, as usually. So I did a clean rebuild as usually. I'll let you know in 10 hours how it went.. ;) |
| 10:06.33 | ixs | ITYM rwhitby hugs debian etch as the most stale OE build host os ... |
| 10:06.37 | ScaredyCat | s/etch/retch/ |
| 10:06.37 | ixs | *there, fixed that for you* |
| 10:06.41 | cesarb | rwhitby: debian is stable as more than just a OE build host... |
| 10:06.42 | CM | rwhitby: :P ;) |
| 10:06.45 | ixs | ScaredyCat: *g* |
| 10:06.53 | cesarb | rwhitby: it's so stable it can take years to be release ;-) |
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| 10:07.22 | rwhitby | you guys may laugh, but who's the one with both 2007.1 and 2007.2 building flawlessly ... ?? hmmm? |
| 10:07.43 | cesarb | (and, of course, after it's released, a new kernel version, a new glibc version, and a new xorg version are released simulteneously just to mock the debian users) |
| 10:08.04 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: me :) |
| 10:08.21 | ixs | rwhitby: WORKSFORME is worthless coming from the main developer. I have thousands of little glue scripts for an ISP which would probably fail everywhere else. I still consider these bugs. :D |
| 10:08.51 | rwhitby | ixs: lucky I'm not the main developer, but just an OE user like most people here. |
| 10:09.15 | ixs | rwhitby: ohh? really? okay, belay then then pls. |
| 10:09.53 | rwhitby | note that my only linux UI is emacs inside an ssh session, so the different variants of Linux don't usually hold much appeal to me. |
| 10:09.56 | ScaredyCat | it's his dodgy makefiles you need to watch out for ixs ;) |
| 10:10.28 | ewon | I use debian on the desktop, xubuntu on the laptop |
| 10:10.54 | ixs | ScaredyCat: That what I was referring to, main developer of the makefile. |
| 10:11.09 | ScaredyCat | openSuse 10.2 on laptop... will confess to poobuntu on mokomaker |
| 10:11.09 | ixs | ohh my, and he is using emacs as well? THE HORROR! :D |
| 10:11.23 | rwhitby | ixs: ah, none of the problems so far have been makefile problems :-) |
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| 10:11.33 | yoyo | hi all |
| 10:11.50 | rwhitby | ixs: you'd better wash your keyboard after typing "make" - that Makefile was developed in emacs. |
| 10:11.51 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: they have, you just didn;t setup the build environment :P |
| 10:12.09 | ixs | rwhitby: Don't worry, I just pulled it out of the dishwasher (IBM Model M). |
| 10:12.51 | ScaredyCat | oh, I forgot that rm_work fix... pah! |
| 10:13.26 | yoyo | I'w almost finish a applet for panel. where can I publish it? |
| 10:13.35 | ScaredyCat | anywhere.. |
| 10:13.40 | ScaredyCat | if you want I can host it |
| 10:13.44 | yoyo | ok :) |
| 10:13.51 | rwhitby | yoyo: projects.openmoko.org, assuming it's working now. |
| 10:14.04 | ynezz | ScaredyCat: so what's your distro? |
| 10:14.26 | ScaredyCat | don;t you have to wait a year rwhitby, for the project to be accepted - maybe it just feels like it ;) |
| 10:14.32 | yoyo | rwhitby: I try ed tree times :/ |
| 10:14.36 | ScaredyCat | ynezz: which machine? |
| 10:14.45 | ynezz | with libxml2 problem |
| 10:14.51 | ScaredyCat | poobuntu |
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| 10:15.05 | ynezz | what's that? |
| 10:15.07 | ixs | rwhitby: mhm. but now, back to serious things: does the makefile has something like "clean buildchain et all, but leave stuff like monotone db in place"? |
| 10:15.13 | ScaredyCat | but it seems fixed with gordonsyme's fix |
| 10:15.23 | gordonsyme | ynezz: I had the same libxml2-native problem, Ubuntu Feisty |
| 10:15.26 | ScaredyCat | ynezz: ubuntu in brown |
| 10:15.39 | ScaredyCat | yes.. |
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| 10:16.33 | ScaredyCat | yoyo... do you want me to host it until it appears on projects? |
| 10:17.26 | ScaredyCat | getting cold now :( |
| 10:17.46 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat, all others with libxml2-native compile issues: I've updated the OpenMoko2007.2 wiki page. I'll update it again when my build finishes and I know what the effects are :) |
| 10:17.55 | yoyo | ScaredyCat: I don't have a problem to host it ore something. I whose joust wandering where to put it to public. THX :) |
| 10:18.12 | rwhitby | ixs: "make clobber" |
| 10:18.19 | ScaredyCat | gordonsyme: good good, jeddy3 will need it too methinks |
| 10:18.27 | ScaredyCat | yoyo: ok... no probs... |
| 10:18.33 | rwhitby | ixs: nothing in the makefile ever removes the mtn database |
| 10:18.34 | yoyo | o.O |
| 10:18.39 | jeddy3 | indeed :) |
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| 10:20.10 | ixs | rwhitby: thx. |
| 10:20.11 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: at what point does the rm_work kick in with that command? |
| 10:20.30 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r125 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Added clobber-bitbake to the clobber target |
| 10:20.32 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: that's not what ixs asked for |
| 10:20.40 | ScaredyCat | i know... |
| 10:20.48 | ScaredyCat | i mean cd build ; source ../setup-env ; bitbake -c rm_work openmoko-devel-image |
| 10:20.51 | rwhitby | I haven't added the rm_work target yet |
| 10:20.58 | rwhitby | nor the prefetch target |
| 10:21.55 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 10:22.17 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: that command runs through the dependencies of openmoko-devel-image, and runs rm_work on each of them in turn |
| 10:22.49 | ScaredyCat | it builds them too right? |
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| 10:23.26 | rwhitby | no |
| 10:23.33 | ScaredyCat | erm.. you sure |
| 10:23.39 | rwhitby | since you've told it to only do rm_work |
| 10:24.06 | rwhitby | unless rm_work depends on the build steps somehow, which is not unreasonable |
| 10:24.17 | ScaredyCat | methinks it might |
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| 10:25.27 | ScaredyCat | yoyo: what does your panel app do ? |
| 10:26.16 | yoyo | ScaredyCat: front end for xrand ( -o ) rotate screen :) |
| 10:26.41 | ScaredyCat | cool... |
| 10:27.01 | ScaredyCat | tap tap 2 rotates? |
| 10:27.10 | ScaredyCat | tap agian ...etc |
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| 10:27.29 | yoyo | ScaredyCat: I alsow finishing bluetooth applet |
| 10:27.33 | ScaredyCat | :o |
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| 10:27.49 | yoyo | My english is purr |
| 10:28.05 | ScaredyCat | not a problem... |
| 10:28.16 | ScaredyCat | we can help with any translations etc.. |
| 10:28.24 | yoyo | ScaredyCat: Yes tab (panel ico) -> tab a orientation |
| 10:28.35 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 10:28.50 | SpeedEvil | Can you make it generic? |
| 10:28.51 | ynezz | strange, i've feisty also :p |
| 10:29.12 | yoyo | Do you want test version? |
| 10:29.20 | ScaredyCat | ya please |
| 10:29.27 | yoyo | binary source? |
| 10:29.30 | SpeedEvil | small config file, with pngs, maybe an html usemap or something, and several scripts |
| 10:29.43 | ScaredyCat | ipkg to test is fine for the mo.. |
| 10:30.29 | SpeedEvil | Something like "Rotate rotate.png rotate1.png rotate.sh unrotate.sh" |
| 10:30.59 | yoyo | ScaredyCat: At the present I build it in a not bitbake style :/ making .bb file for project with configure files is to difficult to my :/ |
| 10:31.08 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: huh? yoyo has an app. |
| 10:31.19 | yoyo | one min. pleas |
| 10:31.25 | ScaredyCat | okies |
| 10:31.26 | SpeedEvil | I mean to make it more generic. |
| 10:31.27 | gordonsyme | ynezz: if it builds don't complain :) |
| 10:31.44 | SpeedEvil | So it could also do 'gps with strace' as well as 'rotate' |
| 10:35.04 | yoyo | ok on http d3p.pl/tmp/moko_panel_rotate_070817_1233.tar.bz2 |
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| 10:36.13 | yoyo | it is a binary with dir structure. to start it, extract and edit /etc/matchbox/session ,add to applet "moko-panel-rotate" |
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| 10:38.47 | SpeedEvil | thanks. |
| 10:39.01 | SpeedEvil | Currently I just have scripts jammed in the input selector |
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| 10:42.19 | Cap_J_L_Picard | So it keeps rotating the same way? |
| 10:43.27 | yoyo | Cap_J_L_Picard: yyy after tab on ico app shows a menu with 4x items |
| 10:45.08 | yoyo | It work for some? |
| 10:46.16 | Cap_J_L_Picard | Ah so it depends on which icon? That's a nice idea. |
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| 10:56.45 | yoyo | Cap_J_L_Picard: /usr/share/moko-panel-rotate/Rotate.png |
| 10:56.59 | ScaredyCat | I must be doin gsomehting wrong |
| 10:58.31 | Cap_J_L_Picard | Sorry I'm on a old horrible mobile, so I can't follow links. |
| 10:59.56 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[GPS]] [[Hardware:AGPS]] [[Openstreetmap]] [[Main_Page]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Frankfurt]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Carriers]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Oslo]] |
| 11:01.00 | ScaredyCat | ho |
| 11:01.04 | ScaredyCat | doh even |
| 11:02.08 | ScaredyCat | mmm... |
| 11:04.18 | ScaredyCat | yoyo... |
| 11:04.23 | yoyo | ? |
| 11:04.40 | ScaredyCat | I have the panel app installed but no icon |
| 11:05.17 | ScaredyCat | added it to the --end-applets= line |
| 11:05.34 | yoyo | ScaredyCat: in tar.bz2 file there is a dir tree share copy it |
| 11:05.42 | ScaredyCat | yes.. |
| 11:05.56 | ScaredyCat | copied contents of share to /usr/share |
| 11:06.03 | ScaredyCat | lib to /lib/ |
| 11:06.26 | CM | Damn, glibc failed again after almost 1h.. |
| 11:07.28 | fgau | yoyo: works fine for me, nice application! |
| 11:07.33 | yoyo | do I can past here cmd? |
| 11:07.52 | ScaredyCat | http://pasbin.ca |
| 11:07.55 | ScaredyCat | arrg |
| 11:07.59 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca |
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| 11:09.44 | Kelly | lol, i figured out the gps error :-) |
| 11:10.58 | Kelly | a typical nmea sentence: $GPGGA,123519,4807.038,N,01131.000,E,1,08,0.9,545.4,M,46.9,M,,*47 |
| 11:11.30 | SpeedEvil | france? |
| 11:11.40 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 11:11.42 | Kelly | its not my coords |
| 11:11.44 | SpeedEvil | sweden? |
| 11:11.48 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 11:12.06 | Kelly | 4807.038,N = Latitude 48 deg 07.038' N |
| 11:12.16 | SpeedEvil | yes, I know. |
| 11:12.22 | SpeedEvil | I was trying to visualise a globe |
| 11:12.43 | Kelly | i was moving the decimal place two digits to the right and taking it to mean 48.04038 degrees. |
| 11:13.18 | SpeedEvil | common error. |
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| 11:13.32 | Kelly | idiot :P |
| 11:14.37 | Kelly | you learn something everyday :-) it works now and im happy to say it is...you guessed it..spot on |
| 11:15.23 | Kelly | and to save you visualising a globe im from melbourne australia |
| 11:15.44 | SpeedEvil | Ah - australia's moved then. |
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| 11:17.46 | Kelly | is there any good reason that nmea mixed DMS and decimal? |
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| 11:20.57 | J-23 | Is Neo1973 OpenSource? |
| 11:21.03 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 11:21.09 | SpeedEvil | Openmoko is an opensource OS. |
| 11:21.22 | J-23 | Thanks. |
| 11:21.44 | SpeedEvil | The phone itself doesn't have available diagrams |
| 11:22.11 | yoyo | ? |
| 11:22.29 | ScaredyCat | any ideas? |
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| 11:22.57 | yoyo | ScaredyCat: ideas for what? |
| 11:23.13 | ScaredyCat | CM: doing 10million locales now... |
| 11:23.29 | ScaredyCat | yoyo: why the applet does not appear? |
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| 11:24.39 | yoyo | ScaredyCat: if you explayn my how to make .bb file to bitbake I wheel make a ipk file |
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| 11:26.01 | ScaredyCat | i have no idea how to build the .bb file.. someting I need to look at |
| 11:26.21 | mdt | yoyo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Create_a_package_from_existing_sources |
| 11:26.31 | mdt | yoyo, this helped me alot |
| 11:27.01 | yoyo | mdt: that is a for a one file app, app not a .so |
| 11:27.24 | ScaredyCat | is this for .2 or .1 ? |
| 11:27.26 | CM | ScaredyCat: I hope mine will too in about 30 minutes or so. glibc is such a pain.. |
| 11:28.01 | CM | Still can't figure out why building qemu with bitbake fixes the locales issue |
| 11:28.05 | mdt | yoyo, you how to build those _dev and _doc packages? |
| 11:28.09 | ScaredyCat | is have -j4 and 8 |
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| 11:30.54 | yoyo | ScaredyCat: you need ( /usr/lib/matchbox-panel/libmoko-panel-rotate.so* and /usr/share/moko-panel-rotate/Rotate.png ) and for example in /etc/matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets=openmoko-panel-mainmenu,systray,startup --end-applets=moko-panel-rotate & |
| 11:31.37 | ScaredyCat | that's what I have (althouh I have more --end-applets too |
| 11:32.29 | yoyo | ScaredyCat: it should work. do you get some errors? |
| 11:34.06 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/660930 |
| 11:34.13 | ScaredyCat | yoyo ^^^ |
| 11:34.59 | ScaredyCat | ahhh /usr/lib |
| 11:35.21 | yoyo | yes :] |
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| 11:39.37 | ScaredyCat | magically, it works yoyo |
| 11:39.42 | ScaredyCat | pretty icon |
| 11:39.44 | yoyo | :) |
| 11:40.30 | yoyo | ScaredyCat: THX it is my http://d3p.pl/2006_green/index.php?dir=19&lang=pl |
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| 11:41.40 | ScaredyCat | :) nice icons |
| 11:42.23 | ScaredyCat | shadow ones lok nice... |
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| 11:44.13 | ScaredyCat | glibc ? |
| 11:44.26 | CM | Yes, always segfaults on NOTE: generating locale es_NI (UTF-8) |
| 11:45.06 | ScaredyCat | those darn Spanish :P |
| 11:45.23 | CM | Is there no way to limit just to en_US (UTF-8) or something? |
| 11:45.50 | ScaredyCat | didn;t you build that manually before? |
| 11:45.55 | ScaredyCat | with qemu ? |
| 11:45.57 | CM | I'm guessing the problem is that I don't have the es_NI locale installed natively on my box.. But that shouldn't make the build env fail |
| 11:46.21 | CM | ScaredyCat: I did before, as XorA said, and it worked that time |
| 11:46.23 | ScaredyCat | no.. but I think there are a few like that - seems like that was our libxml2 isue |
| 11:46.42 | ScaredyCat | what if you happen to have them... ready built.. ? |
| 11:46.43 | CM | Now I got: qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting |
| 11:46.58 | CM | The locales? Don't know.. |
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| 11:49.23 | ruimoreira | :D |
| 11:49.46 | ScaredyCat | so can;t you just do what you did last tyime? |
| 11:49.49 | ScaredyCat | time |
| 11:50.01 | CM | ScaredyCat: I did exactly the same thing |
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| 11:50.34 | CM | make build-qemu ; make clean-package-glibc ; make openmoko-devel-image |
| 11:51.39 | CM | Guess I have my self to blame, running bitbake HEAD. Definitely alpha state still, if even that |
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| 11:52.55 | ScaredyCat | have you looked at the .bb file to see if it specicifies locales for the build? |
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| 11:53.36 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hmm.. I guess it failes to get patches: http://rafb.net/p/DAbEZn71.html |
| 11:53.40 | ixs | rwhitby: mhm. looking into my build problems: seems like current bitbake svn is hosed. Is there a way of using MokoMakefile with the system installed bitbake? |
| 11:54.02 | MikeD | Hi guys... I am still having trouble with librsvg, openembedded say that the openmoko pango version needs to be updated |
| 11:54.04 | MikeD | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2748 |
| 11:54.09 | MikeD | can anyone help? |
| 11:54.15 | rwhitby | ixs: I have never, ever, used a system installed bitbake, so I do not know. |
| 11:54.29 | rwhitby | There is provision in the makefile for setting a specific revision of bitbake if you need to. |
| 11:54.40 | CM | rwhitby: Why not try by changing the path in setup_env? |
| 11:55.04 | ixs | rwhitby: mhm. do you take patches for your makefile? |
| 11:55.12 | rwhitby | CM: one could try that. I cannot recommend using a system installed bitbake for any purpose. |
| 11:55.20 | rwhitby | ixs: sure |
| 11:55.24 | ixs | rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/660943 is what I'm seeing here. |
| 11:55.42 | ixs | rwhitby: well, I'm the bitbake maintainer for fedora, thus I cannot share your recommendation. :D |
| 11:55.56 | CM | ~fish glibc_2.5.bb |
| 11:56.03 | apt | ACTION slaps glibc_2.5.bb around with a large trout |
| 11:56.04 | rwhitby | :-) |
| 11:56.15 | ixs | rwhitby: the log looks not as if it's bitbake though, but I'm gonna look into that a bit. |
| 11:56.19 | rwhitby | ixs: you must be quite busy keeping up with it then :-) |
| 11:56.26 | ixs | rwhitby: yeah, I hate it. :D |
| 11:56.44 | rwhitby | I've never found a distro version even close to what was required to build .dev head. |
| 11:56.55 | ixs | but I've been on vacation somewhat the last month or so, thus the package has been lacking upgrades... |
| 11:56.58 | rwhitby | (but I didn't look at Fedora) |
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| 11:57.16 | CM | rwhitby: That's because you're running debian *hide* ;) |
| 11:57.22 | ixs | rwhitby: I just pushed out 1.8.6 on monday or so... *g* |
| 11:57.46 | rwhitby | ixs: and it's already out of date ;-) |
| 11:58.14 | ixs | rwhitby: not really. 1.8.7 has not been officially released yet. |
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| 11:58.17 | rwhitby | bitbake and OE are so tightly coupled, and bitbake is used for nothing else, so I don't see the point in packaging it. |
| 11:58.17 | ixs | *phew* |
| 11:58.40 | rwhitby | but I'm sure others appreciate your work |
| 11:58.54 | ixs | rwhitby: uhm. bitbake seems to be used by other tools as well, at least I have that feeling regarding the bugreports people are sending me asking for updates to head. |
| 11:59.17 | rwhitby | ixs: really? that's news to me. what other things are using bitbake? |
| 11:59.31 | rwhitby | (i don't doubt you, I'm just interested) |
| 11:59.55 | Dmitry_Platonov | rwhitby, I'm building .dev head with distro's bitbake 1.8.6 |
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| 12:00.34 | rwhitby | Dmitry_Platonov: you just be using lots of disk space, with rm_work not working in 1.8.6 ;-) |
| 12:00.34 | ixs | rwhitby: Honestly, I have no idea. I only use it for OE myself. |
| 12:01.13 | ixs | rwhitby: I'd have to look in closed RFE bugs to see what people were using it for. |
| 12:01.15 | rwhitby | seriously, RP, zecke and co. do a good job with the stable branch, so I am being a bit facetious. |
| 12:01.33 | CM | When glibc fails to generate locales, and building qemu doesn't help, where should I look next? http://rafb.net/p/DAbEZn71.html |
| 12:02.07 | ScaredyCat | Yoink! |
| 12:02.47 | RP | rwhitby: rm_work works just as well with 1.8.6 as it does with 1.8.7 atm |
| 12:03.00 | ScaredyCat | I wish it'd just generate the locales in alphabetical order, then at least you'd know how far you'd got |
| 12:03.14 | CM | ScaredyCat: There is a GLIBC_BROKEN_LOCALES = "es_NI sid_ET tr_TR mn_MN gez_ET gez_ER bn_BD te_IN" |
| 12:03.26 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 12:03.29 | RP | rwhitby: It does seem to have found some problem in the dependency handling code though. I'm trying to get to the bottom of it but all I seem to manage is 200MB log files :-( |
| 12:03.29 | rwhitby | RP: ah, that's right, it was a .dev update not a bitbake update. my mistake. |
| 12:03.30 | ScaredyCat | where? |
| 12:03.37 | CM | Oups, sorry. I added the es_NI there to see |
| 12:03.52 | CM | In the glibc_2.5.bb file |
| 12:03.54 | ScaredyCat | ahh |
| 12:04.01 | ScaredyCat | try that :) |
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| 12:04.09 | ScaredyCat | or list ALL the others :) |
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| 12:04.59 | CM | ScaredyCat: Still fails on es_NI, as always.. |
| 12:05.22 | CM | Guess I have to give up for a few days until things settle a bit. :-( |
| 12:05.25 | ScaredyCat | clear out the tmp/work/ dir for glibc |
| 12:05.41 | ScaredyCat | and the stamps/glibc one too |
| 12:05.52 | ScaredyCat | you need it to re-run ./configure |
| 12:06.30 | CM | make clean-package-glibc you mean? :) |
| 12:06.36 | ScaredyCat | bleh |
| 12:06.59 | CM | Ok, we'll see in another hour if that helps.. |
| 12:07.07 | CM | 1h per locale will take a while |
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| 12:11.33 | xzcvczx | eat me |
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| 12:11.51 | sunix | hello everybody, i'm new to openmoko, I hope i can have any help here or help anybody :) |
| 12:11.57 | xzcvczx | lol smoooth |
| 12:12.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 712 has been created by mike(AT)blueroot.co.uk |
| 12:12.02 | cdbot2 | * * librsvg build fails |
| 12:12.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=712 |
| 12:12.06 | ScaredyCat | xzcvczx: I hope that means something different where you are |
| 12:13.05 | ScaredyCat | CN is canadian right? |
| 12:13.35 | ScaredyCat | I bet their locale is a_eh, b_eh, c_eh |
| 12:13.43 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: meh i am 13000 feet above mercer |
| 12:14.01 | xzcvczx | if you can tell me where that is i will give you a dollar] |
| 12:14.02 | ScaredyCat | wow, you're tall |
| 12:14.14 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: and falling at a rate of 120mph |
| 12:14.28 | xzcvczx | or 200fps |
| 12:14.46 | ScaredyCat | denali ? |
| 12:14.57 | xzcvczx | denali? |
| 12:15.09 | blindcoder | frames per second? |
| 12:15.15 | xzcvczx | where the filho de puta is denali |
| 12:15.28 | xzcvczx | blindcoder: lol you friggin geek its feet per second |
| 12:15.53 | blindcoder | I knew that! I totally knew that!!1! |
| 12:16.01 | mmazur | feet per second? |
| 12:16.11 | mmazur | Nobody uses that :) |
| 12:16.16 | ScaredyCat | http://www.7summits.com/denali/tips.php |
| 12:16.28 | ScaredyCat | no, it's m/s/s |
| 12:16.54 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: meh if i use fps it throws you off where i am |
| 12:17.08 | ScaredyCat | sounds like you're in a movie |
| 12:17.08 | xzcvczx | as we ditched imperial many moons ago |
| 12:17.31 | ScaredyCat | ahh, you must be in atlantis |
| 12:17.49 | xzcvczx | yeah cos only a perfect world uses metric :P |
| 12:18.08 | ScaredyCat | erm ... |
| 12:18.14 | xzcvczx | anyway is midnight saturday here so i am off to find a nice bar to drink at |
| 12:18.32 | xzcvczx | adios amigos..... |
| 12:18.35 | blindcoder | midnight saturday? damn, it's friday noon here |
| 12:18.36 | ScaredyCat | bloody foreigners..... |
| 12:18.36 | sannes | hm m/s/s m/s^2 so he is accelerating I guess? |
| 12:19.04 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: how bout a nice cup of STFU and since we are well ahead of you in time i should say that we are more advanced than you |
| 12:19.29 | ScaredyCat | no, just older and more decrepid |
| 12:19.39 | xzcvczx | lol nice try |
| 12:19.39 | ewon | note: debugging ps3 software whilst hungover is hard. |
| 12:19.54 | xzcvczx | ewon: openmoko for ps3 eh?\ |
| 12:20.04 | ScaredyCat | stupid languange anyway |
| 12:20.16 | ewon | xzcvczx: no, this is my day job :) |
| 12:20.29 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r126 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Enable download and flashing of 2007.2 images for qemu |
| 12:20.54 | xzcvczx | ewon: meh we shoudl convince FIC ot make cell baesed fones |
| 12:21.11 | ewon | xzcvczx: except we'd need rather large batteries. |
| 12:21.14 | xzcvczx | meh my engrish is getting crap due to too much alcys so i am going to leave you to it |
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| 12:21.23 | xzcvczx | ewon: meh i got 240 volts here |
| 12:21.26 | xzcvczx | :P |
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| 12:24.11 | Derbot2 | hi, does anybody have the gllin binary for gps ? |
| 12:24.11 | aloril | Derbot2: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 12:24.19 | ScaredyCat | taipei 101 |
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| 12:24.59 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r127 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Fix the download-images target to get 2007.2 images |
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| 12:25.59 | Derbot2 | CIA-20: was that for me ? |
| 12:26.13 | rwhitby | CIA-20 is a bot |
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| 12:26.23 | Derbot2 | :) |
| 12:26.32 | Derbot2 | so, anybody has gps working ? |
| 12:26.45 | Derbot2 | just received my neo today and i'm eager to test this out |
| 12:27.26 | ewon | so the openmoko doesn't ship with the gps binary? |
| 12:27.46 | Dmitry_Platonov | ewon, yes. |
| 12:27.46 | rwhitby | Derbot2: the gllin binary is propriety licensed software of Global Locate, and was mistakenly provided on P0 developer pre-release phones. It is not available freely, as FIC has not closed licensing negotiations with Global Locate (according to the latest information on the mailing list about this issue) |
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| 12:28.26 | ewon | so is the gps usable without this binary? |
| 12:28.33 | rwhitby | no |
| 12:28.38 | ewon | heh |
| 12:28.45 | ewon | interesting. |
| 12:29.17 | Derbot2 | i was just wondering if somebody published it somewhere.. |
| 12:29.38 | rwhitby | if they did they would be not too smart |
| 12:29.59 | Derbot2 | rwhitby: probably |
| 12:30.16 | Derbot2 | question2: what openmoko images are you using ? |
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| 12:30.40 | rwhitby | the ones I have built myself with the MokoMakefile multi-generational alpha version |
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| 12:30.58 | Derbot2 | does gsm dialer work? |
| 12:31.10 | rwhitby | not on my device, no. |
| 12:31.51 | Derbot2 | i've got only one-way voice by now using libgsm-tool but it seems it's a alsa problem |
| 12:32.05 | CM | ScaredyCat: Now it fails on NOTE: generating locale de_AT@euro (ISO-8859-15) instead.. No point in continuing. :( |
| 12:32.44 | ScaredyCat | just do "es_ de_ " etc to eliminate all others |
| 12:33.02 | ScaredyCat | ie be less specific |
| 12:33.31 | ScaredyCat | it's probably your useless 64 bit hardware :P |
| 12:36.03 | CM | Naa.. I'll bet it's my gentoo install, where I dropped all locales except sv_SE and en_US |
| 12:36.18 | sagacis | minin' |
| 12:36.30 | ScaredyCat | CM: this is you "D'oh!" |
| 12:36.40 | gordonsyme | Only another 1000 or so bitbake tasks left before my 2007.2 build finishes <sigh> |
| 12:37.10 | rwhitby | Ah, gentoo. Guaranteed to be different to everyone else's install of the same distro :-) |
| 12:37.14 | sagacis | Are we building today? |
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| 12:37.28 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 12:37.32 | CM | rwhitby: Isn't it a pleasure to debug? ;.) |
| 12:38.05 | rwhitby | speaking of debugging, can someone test the new 2007.2-aware qemu targets? |
| 12:38.06 | CM | But the question remains, why does bitbake fail to build glibc now, when it has worked 15 times before |
| 12:38.22 | rwhitby | CM: cause OE.dev is a moving target? |
| 12:38.24 | CM | And why does it depend on my locales to build? |
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| 12:39.09 | rwhitby | CM: cause no-one has tried to build it on a gentoo-with-all-locales-dropped distro before ;-) |
| 12:39.22 | CM | Äh, cowards.. |
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| 12:42.09 | sagacis | Yay! libxml2-native worked! |
| 12:42.26 | sagacis | Ok, it's late. Gotta go! |
| 12:42.26 | CM | And viewmtn on openembedded.org is down.. |
| 12:42.33 | gordonsyme | sagacis: straight out of the box or with mods? |
| 12:42.44 | sagacis | straight out of the box, I built past that.... |
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| 12:42.51 | sagacis | boo, |
| 12:42.55 | sagacis | Sorry, it didn't. |
| 12:43.07 | sagacis | gordonsyme: Do we have mods that work yet? |
| 12:44.07 | gordonsyme | Yup, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#libxml2-native_fails_with_xmlCatalogPtr_errors |
| 12:44.21 | sagacis | I was just loading up that page.... |
| 12:47.19 | juco | hey folks, what version of subversion should I be using? |
| 12:48.05 | jgm | I'm on 1.4.3 and that seems to work |
| 12:48.28 | juco | I have 1.4.2 from Debian etch, and that seems to work too |
| 12:48.48 | juco | though I noticed a MotoMakefile error complaining that it couldn't do "svn info" on a URL |
| 12:49.01 | jgm | More likely a problem with the URL than subversion |
| 12:49.23 | juco | hmm, actually, it works here |
| 12:49.29 | juco | I must have an old version pinned or something at home |
| 12:49.42 | jgm | What target is this against? |
| 12:49.48 | juco | the error I get is "svn info only works on working directories" |
| 12:50.06 | juco | but on this machine, I can feed svn urls |
| 12:50.07 | Any_Key | rwhitby, how to test? Mokomakefile alpha? |
| 12:50.16 | rwhitby | yep |
| 12:50.38 | Any_Key | ahha |
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| 12:51.16 | juco | umm, I think it was "openmoko-devel-image" |
| 12:51.26 | juco | but I'm thinking now that my system was out of wak |
| 12:52.01 | rwhitby | juco: mokomakefile itself doesn't call svn info anywhere, but perhaps the bitbake svn fetcher does |
| 12:52.29 | sagacis | yay, building with the patch.... |
| 12:52.33 | sagacis | later |
| 12:52.53 | gordonsyme | sagacis: cool |
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| 12:54.08 | juco | rwhitby, thanks, I'm still learning how bitbake works |
| 12:54.19 | rwhitby | juco: so am I |
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| 12:57.23 | ScaredyCat | jgm: |
| 12:57.31 | jgm | Hey |
| 12:58.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 713 has been created by <autobuild-report> |
| 12:58.02 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-libs-0.4.0+svnnow-r0_2367-do_compile |
| 12:58.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=713 |
| 12:58.14 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#libxml2-native_fails_with_xmlCatalogPtr_errors |
| 12:58.23 | jgm | Oh cool |
| 12:58.26 | ScaredyCat | fixed my build (so far) |
| 12:59.10 | jgm | Will give it a shot now and see what happens. I want an OM2007.2 build so that I can start integrating the extensions manager (and even some extensions!) |
| 12:59.18 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 13:00.11 | Any_Key | rwhitby, hm I can't find info about alpha mokomakefile location on the web & maillist, so how can I get it? |
| 13:00.36 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[Supported_microSD_cards]] [[P1_Owners]] |
| 13:00.38 | rwhitby | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 under "How to build" |
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| 13:02.03 | ScaredyCat | this builds so much quicker with bb parallel build at 8 |
| 13:02.25 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 13:02.27 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. |
| 13:02.27 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: what machine are you building on? |
| 13:02.33 | SpeedEvil | 4GB 'sort of works'. |
| 13:02.39 | yoyo | haa first, at last!! first received file from GUI over bluetooth using panel applet !! yyyyhaaa ^,^ |
| 13:02.40 | SpeedEvil | (microSD) |
| 13:02.59 | DPThought | yoyo: nice |
| 13:02.59 | ScaredyCat | dual Xeon 2.4hgz |
| 13:03.04 | ScaredyCat | 2gb ram |
| 13:03.16 | ScaredyCat | it's flying along |
| 13:03.31 | gordonsyme | I may bump up my bb parallel build then. I set it to 4 on my Core2 Duo |
| 13:03.35 | ScaredyCat | yoyo: nice! |
| 13:04.13 | ScaredyCat | gordonsyme: yeah I went from 4 to 8 just to see... it's so much better :) |
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| 13:04.32 | CM | yoyo: Good work dude :D |
| 13:04.48 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: I'm going to wait for the current build to finish first, 3146 of 3543 :) |
| 13:04.53 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 13:04.57 | yoyo | now I need do add some dialogs |
| 13:05.00 | ScaredyCat | yeah.. good idea :) |
| 13:05.03 | Dmitry_Platonov | ScaredyCat, it's much faster if bb spends much time downloading compared to building |
| 13:05.16 | jgm | I'm considering buying a new box just so that I can build OM faster :/ |
| 13:05.22 | ScaredyCat | yoyo: does it confiure blootooth too ? (your app) |
| 13:05.27 | DPThought | yoyo: where is the code? This was the corner i was interested in. We need vnote support for 'kind of' instant chatting with mobile phones |
| 13:05.38 | aloril | cool, first test of 4GB card! |
| 13:06.05 | jgm | I'm waiting to hear the details behind 'sort of works' |
| 13:06.08 | ScaredyCat | Dmitry_Platonov: well downloads race, but I have most of the sources anyway... still flies |
| 13:06.22 | aloril | maybe time to update *vs* pages |
| 13:06.29 | ScaredyCat | jgm: I have a dedicated box... I call it mokomaker |
| 13:06.43 | ScaredyCat | aloril was that in email to list? |
| 13:06.46 | yoyo | DPThought: at the present time: configurations from gui: (bt on/off) public/hidden, recive file/not |
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| 13:07.14 | jgm | I'm down to a single box (plus a laptop), too much power/heat/floorspace otherwise. Plus it gives me an excuse to build a new box every couple of years :) |
| 13:07.26 | jgm | The question is: do I wait for Barcelona? |
| 13:07.34 | aloril | ScaredyCat: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards and from there http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=93#c13 |
| 13:07.41 | J-23 | AMD?!? :| |
| 13:08.04 | CM | jgm: I doubt that wait would be worth it. |
| 13:08.10 | jgm | Yeah, two reasons. One: it may be faster. Two: it may cause Intel to drop their prices |
| 13:09.39 | DPThought | yoyo: where is the source? I will not be able to hack anything atm but i would like to see how it is structured |
| 13:09.58 | DPThought | yoyo: or did you just test? |
| 13:10.47 | J-23 | I don't use AMD processors, but I don't like them... |
| 13:10.50 | Any_Key | rwhitby, I've seen It, just was in hope there is new Makefile "to rule them all" |
| 13:10.51 | yoyo | DPThought: 10 min pleas |
| 13:11.04 | J-23 | but it isn't processor flames channel. |
| 13:11.11 | rwhitby | Any_Key: there is. |
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| 13:11.26 | rwhitby | the alpha version is multi-generational |
| 13:11.41 | ScaredyCat | any processor that creates flames can't be good.. unless it's in a kitchen |
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| 13:11.56 | DPThought | yoyo: no hurry, just enthusiasm |
| 13:12.35 | jgm | I just want the best CPU in a decent price bracket. The manufacturer is pretty much irrelevant for me (in fact if there was a decent desktop system based on Niagra that could run Ubuntu I'd be sorely tempted...) |
| 13:12.43 | yoyo | DPThought: I'm now slicing sources for more files. |
| 13:12.55 | Basheri | J-23: I use AMD processor and i hate it :P |
| 13:13.03 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r128 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Added prefetch-sources and remove-work targets |
| 13:13.08 | J-23 | Basheri: ;) |
| 13:13.11 | ScaredyCat | woohoo!! |
| 13:13.19 | CM | jgm: Agreed. AMD was best for 3 years, but that's only because NetBurst sucked horribly ;) |
| 13:13.30 | rwhitby | ~emulate rwhitby |
| 13:13.33 | apt | Well, my work here is done. |
| 13:13.38 | CM | Hehe |
| 13:13.43 | rwhitby | night all |
| 13:13.47 | ScaredyCat | night |
| 13:13.49 | J-23 | ~help |
| 13:13.51 | jgm | Night |
| 13:13.51 | juco | night |
| 13:13.56 | ScaredyCat | good job rwhitby |
| 13:13.57 | Sup3rkiddo | day |
| 13:13.58 | aloril | he doesn't know about P0: http://itconservative.blogspot.com/2007/08/development-device.html |
| 13:14.01 | CM | ~night |
| 13:14.02 | apt | G'night cm, get out of here. |
| 13:14.18 | CM | Heh, maybe I should even if it's just 15.14 |
| 13:14.22 | J-23 | ~rot13 Good night! |
| 13:14.22 | apt | Tbbq avtug! |
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| 13:14.37 | DPThought | ho can i re-build a specific packege? uicmoc (some qt stuff) fails while linking to libz. So i hink i should try rebuiling libz, maybe there is something wrong |
| 13:14.55 | J-23 | ~+chan #zapalki |
| 13:15.16 | rwhitby | aloril: that's pure P0-envy |
| 13:15.27 | Sup3rkiddo | DPThought, make build-package-<packagename |
| 13:15.28 | Sup3rkiddo | > |
| 13:15.36 | rwhitby | rebuild-... even |
| 13:15.49 | aloril | (btw.. I think above blog might be 'fake' blog, like fake steve blog) |
| 13:16.07 | J-23 | ~ufo |
| 13:16.08 | apt | i guess ufo is Marcin |
| 13:16.12 | ScaredyCat | aloril that's the lamest blog ever... |
| 13:16.18 | DPThought | Sup3rkiddo: thx |
| 13:16.29 | J-23 | ~linux |
| 13:16.30 | apt | [linux] the cure for cancer, AIDS and slavery to corporations |
| 13:17.10 | Sup3rkiddo | ~Sup3rkiddo |
| 13:17.26 | Sup3rkiddo | phew!...saved |
| 13:18.03 | J-23 | ~Poland |
| 13:19.03 | J-23 | Poland is a poor European country ;) |
| 13:19.05 | J-23 | ~Poland |
| 13:19.38 | ScaredyCat | mm... |
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| 13:19.49 | yoyo | J-23: don't by wylewny i przesadzajacy :P |
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| 13:20.07 | ScaredyCat | apt: Poland is <reply>Poland is a European country |
| 13:20.08 | apt | ScaredyCat: okay |
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| 13:20.13 | ScaredyCat | ~Poland |
| 13:20.14 | apt | Poland is a European country |
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| 13:21.46 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: bugger task 3182 failed (qt4-x11-free_4.3.0.bb) |
| 13:21.54 | DPThought | btw. since when is QT used in openmoko? I have never seen anything suggesting this. |
| 13:21.56 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 13:22.04 | ynezz | J-23: country might be poor, but their politicians are the craziest in EU i think, but I like polish people, and mainly girls! :D |
| 13:22.16 | ScaredyCat | can't you mask it |
| 13:22.16 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 13:22.33 | Dmitry_Platonov | AFAIK it's listed as dependency of webkit |
| 13:22.37 | XorA | my local council prints stuff in two languages, English and Polish |
| 13:22.44 | ScaredyCat | stupid webkit |
| 13:22.52 | ynezz | XorA: lol |
| 13:22.59 | ynezz | you must live in UK then |
| 13:23.00 | XorA | DPThought: qmake is used to build webkit |
| 13:23.02 | ynezz | Poland2 :p |
| 13:23.07 | XorA | ynezz: Scotland |
| 13:23.08 | DPThought | XorA: ah |
| 13:23.13 | ynezz | same :p |
| 13:23.20 | XorA | ynezz: where are you? |
| 13:23.29 | ScaredyCat | you live in either Poland or Norwich ;) |
| 13:23.33 | ynezz | 20km from Poland, Czechia :) |
| 13:24.47 | ScaredyCat | what was the error gordonsyme ? |
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| 13:26.11 | ynezz | that means nothing |
| 13:26.18 | ynezz | could be some paki also |
| 13:26.26 | ynezz | using just the zoombies in poland |
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| 13:26.58 | ynezz | since 10% have windows legaly and patched it's quite easy target |
| 13:27.20 | DPThought | J-23: i like polish vodka. ;) But i never was there to have a opinion on the people. I guess i would like them very much. (I had a really good time with some polish and czech people in czechia, and i'm sure i would loke vodka better than becherova) |
| 13:28.58 | DPThought | CRAP. uicmoc4-native still does not build. zlib is there. but '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz' (more detail http://pastebin.com/d32604610) |
| 13:29.14 | ScaredyCat | btw can you hury up and fix that problem gordonsyme ... I'm nearly there :) |
| 13:29.45 | yoyo | DPThought: :)) |
| 13:30.06 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: sorry, I'm stumped at the moment, need more time to investigate what's going on |
| 13:30.07 | ynezz | DPThought: i think it's looking for zlib in qt |
| 13:30.46 | ynezz | DPThought: qt carry own zlib also, depends on how qt has been configured |
| 13:31.11 | fgau | DPThought: you are on an debian system? |
| 13:31.13 | DPThought | ynezz: the problem is. i don't know (yet) how the buildsystems makes it's sandbox and how much i have to care about such issues. zlib was build, shouldn't it be in the library path? |
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| 13:31.38 | DPThought | fgau: yep, unstable crap. setting up the new build box this WE |
| 13:31.58 | ynezz | it's all just bb recipes |
| 13:32.05 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: http://pastebin.ca/661015 |
| 13:32.14 | fgau | DPThought: had the same error |
| 13:32.25 | ynezz | you can check configure option in work/*/temp/package/ dir |
| 13:32.41 | DPThought | ynezz: i have the feeling i will like bb some time... :) |
| 13:33.33 | ynezz | it's OM2007.1 ? |
| 13:33.36 | fgau | DPThought: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 , and then make the apt-get install from the list |
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| 13:34.25 | DPThought | fgau: oh, there where some missing. thx |
| 13:34.25 | ynezz | or make setup-host-debian |
| 13:34.39 | fgau | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.50 | ynezz | (if that's target also in your makefile) |
| 13:35.31 | DPThought | ynezz: my makefile does nt have this target. installing the list from the wiki. thx |
| 13:36.03 | DPThought | ynezz: it's the new alpha version makefile |
| 13:36.17 | ynezz | ah |
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| 13:41.32 | ewon | anyone here get their moko delivered by UPS :) http://consumerist.com/consumer/videos/how-ups-delivers-when-youre-not-watching-290438.php |
| 13:42.51 | ozarka | ewon: nice |
| 13:43.02 | ozarka | I can't blame the ups guy, though. |
| 13:43.33 | ozarka | Homeowner has time to install multiple security cameras, but can't trim the ginormous bushes around the walkway. |
| 13:44.31 | jadams | in fairness, UPS guy didn't know about the cameras |
| 13:44.34 | jadams | I'd assumeso it se |
| 13:44.38 | jadams | eww, sorry |
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| 13:45.01 | jadams | I always try to 'shift+home type' in irssi |
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| 13:47.24 | DPThought | is it normal (in the us or wherever this was) that they just dump your package in front of your house? No delivery service here in germany will give you any package without getting a signature from anyone to make sure he delivered it. If they loose a pacakge and don't have the signature from the receiver they have a problem |
| 13:47.56 | ynezz | you can fake the sign anyway, don't you? |
| 13:48.02 | zecke | DPThought: I have seen this in TV, instead of ringing the bell, they just deliver to the basement (shop) :) |
| 13:48.18 | DPThought | ynezz: yest. But then it's not longer the problem of the delivery guy. ;) |
| 13:49.08 | ynezz | i had some part time job in similar company, and it's even worse in depots :p |
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| 13:50.16 | DPThought | but they are lazy assholes here too. May times they don't even try ringing you but throw you a notice in your postbox that says they could not deliver and you have to get it from the post office. (That is true for the german post/dhl, not so much the others) |
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| 13:53.03 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03rwhitby 07OM-2007.2 * r129 10mokomakefile/Makefile: Fixed the rootfs_wildcard for om2007.2 |
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| 13:56.27 | DPThought | ynezz, fgau: uicmoc4-native has build. But it is very bougus. I get dozends of messages like "ERROR: QA issue: libltdl.la failed sanity test (reference to workdir or installed)". I will just ignore them for now. But this looks bad. |
| 13:57.24 | jeddy3 | where did you mask uboot, again? |
| 13:57.44 | ScaredyCat | local.conf ? |
| 13:57.53 | ScaredyCat | BBMASK="blah" |
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| 14:01.39 | torpor | i ran into the same as DPThought with uicmoc |
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| 14:02.46 | gordonsyme | gah, I did a `make update` and now there are circular dependencies in the bb files |
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| 14:03.07 | gordonsyme | how do the main developers build this? |
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| 14:03.14 | anrp | luck |
| 14:03.19 | anrp | and prebuild deps |
| 14:03.45 | CM | gordonsyme: I hit this earlier too |
| 14:03.59 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, thanks |
| 14:04.10 | gordonsyme | CM: is there a fix? |
| 14:04.12 | CM | gordonsyme: Didn't find a way around it, so I just cleaned out the whole dir and restarted from scratch |
| 14:04.34 | CM | gordonsyme: I'm sure there is a fix some way, but i couldn't figure it out |
| 14:04.52 | ScaredyCat | omg - I just found the ohter keyboard.... |
| 14:05.08 | gordonsyme | CM: just the openembedded/packages dir? Or everything? |
| 14:05.32 | CM | gordonsyme: Try that first, and see if it helps |
| 14:05.57 | CM | gordonsyme: I'm a real OE noob, so I just cleaned everything out |
| 14:06.17 | gordonsyme | CM: you and me both, I only started building this in anger yesterday :) |
| 14:06.51 | CM | Hehe.. I've built it about 20 times, but it's never been as broken as it has this last week |
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| 14:10.00 | CM | gordonsyme: Damn, now I got that circular thing again.. *sigh* |
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| 14:10.41 | gordonsyme | CM: and oddly it's gone for me... I bet qt4-x11-free-4.3.0-r5 will fail again though :/ |
| 14:11.02 | gordonsyme | CM: and there it goes |
| 14:11.03 | torpor | http://rafb.net/p/W9p8Wm50.html |
| 14:11.09 | torpor | ^^^ errors i am having from the latest makefile. |
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| 14:12.08 | torpor | so nobody here has done a successful setup of the devtools? this is very frustrating .. i'm trying to get onto some application development for the neo, but its not quite there yet .. |
| 14:12.33 | CM | I think rwhitby has been able to build it, but I don't know of anyone else |
| 14:13.16 | Derbot2 | question: how hard is to port packages from openwrt to openmoko ? |
| 14:13.33 | torpor | ok i'm starting from scratch again then in case its just a mixup with makefile versions .. |
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| 14:13.57 | Derbot2 | CM: probably, i saw the arch in openwrt makefiles |
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| 14:29.08 | CM | torpor: I really can't get it to compile with INHERIT += "rm_work" |
| 14:29.42 | CM | Without it it starts, but I'm sure it will fail on glibc in a few hours |
| 14:30.21 | ruimoreira | CM: Lucky you :P |
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| 14:39.03 | ruimoreira | ruimoreira: Whishes he had his neo so he could start working in it :P |
| 14:40.27 | ScaredyCat | CM / gordonsyme |
| 14:40.27 | ScaredyCat | | configure.ac:73: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_GCONF_SOURCE_2 |
| 14:40.27 | ScaredyCat | | If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. |
| 14:40.27 | ScaredyCat | | See the Autoconf documentation. |
| 14:40.27 | ScaredyCat | | autoreconf: /home/moko/newBuild/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/autoconf faile |
| 14:40.32 | ScaredyCat | oops... |
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| 14:43.43 | ninHer | hi all |
| 14:44.04 | ewon | god damn I hate autotools |
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| 15:00.16 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Current_events]] [[Main_Page/kr]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Frankfurt]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_Local_groups:_Boston]] [[OpenMoko_Local_groups:_Boston]] [[MokoMakefile]] |
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| 15:03.54 | gordonsyme | CM: any joy building? |
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| 15:08.25 | zash | yay, weekend! |
| 15:08.37 | zecke | hehe, lucky guy |
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| 15:15.05 | ScaredyCat | CM: I got that circular reference problem too.. |
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| 15:15.19 | ScaredyCat | I guess you need 55TB to build this |
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| 15:16.15 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: were you able to build qt4-x11-free-4.3.0-r5? CM suggests removing your openembedded/packages dir and doing an update to get around the circular ref problem |
| 15:16.34 | gordonsyme | which works for me, but I have to do it every so often :/ |
| 15:16.36 | ScaredyCat | gordonsyme: did you get any problems with openmoko-contacts2 ? |
| 15:17.03 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: I don't believe so, though it's possible I just haven't gotten there yet |
| 15:17.19 | ScaredyCat | that seems like a painful method of fixing the prob :) |
| 15:17.30 | gordonsyme | tell me about it... |
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| 15:22.12 | ScaredyCat | I'd also be interested to know what effect the change we made to libxml would have on people who didn't have the initial problem |
| 15:22.31 | gordonsyme | Indeed, although hopefully they didn't make the change :) |
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| 15:23.23 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 15:23.33 | ScaredyCat | got any clue on : configure.ac:73: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_GCONF_SOURCE_2 |
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| 15:23.44 | gordonsyme | Sorry, haven't encountered that one |
| 15:23.54 | XorA | ScaredyCat: probably need to build gconf |
| 15:24.20 | gordonsyme | Does anybody know how to prevent a given package from being built by bitbake? |
| 15:24.22 | ScaredyCat | surely that should be built if it's required... |
| 15:24.46 | XorA | ScaredyCat: you are getting a lot of "odd" errors that seem to indicate what your building isnt a clean tree |
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| 15:25.17 | ScaredyCat | XorA: then the build process is bad. |
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| 15:33.53 | XorA | ScaredyCat: no, if you feed it garbage the garbage will come out |
| 15:34.35 | ScaredyCat | hence the build process is bad. since that is what should be building gconf |
| 15:34.47 | XorA | ScaredyCat: the big hint was if you org.oe.dev was removed and repulled then that fixed a huge error, that means people are failing to use source control |
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| 15:35.42 | ScaredyCat | what error did that fix? |
| 15:35.54 | ScaredyCat | it didn;t fix anything... |
| 15:35.57 | XorA | apparently a circular dependancy |
| 15:36.04 | XorA | Ive been busy and Im reading back |
| 15:36.29 | gordonsyme | XorA: removing the contents of openembedded/packages and doing an update gets around that one |
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| 15:36.48 | gordonsyme | I'm sure it could be narrowed down to a few subdirs but I'm lazy |
| 15:36.55 | XorA | gordonsyme: but seeing as that directory is under source control, that means garbage has been fed into that directory from somewhere |
| 15:37.06 | XorA | gordonsyme: if you see my point |
| 15:37.28 | gordonsyme | must be. I know it isn't me though. I only have what the build process checks out |
| 15:38.03 | XorA | is this all with MokoMakefile? |
| 15:38.18 | gordonsyme | yup, admittedly the beta MokoMakefile for 2007.2 |
| 15:38.57 | XorA | points to a bug in MokoMakefile, or a lack of cleaning between 2007.1 and 2007.2 |
| 15:39.01 | ScaredyCat | but it's not the mokomakefile's fault... |
| 15:39.19 | ScaredyCat | it's doing a bitbake openmoko-image |
| 15:39.34 | XorA | ScaredyCat: it is its fault if what it feeds to bitbake is bullshit |
| 15:39.55 | XorA | ScaredyCat: and the fact that when removed and redone fixes it, indicates what was originally there was crap |
| 15:39.56 | ScaredyCat | it feeds the command bitbake openmoko-image... |
| 15:40.09 | XorA | ScaredyCat: it also governs the checkouts |
| 15:40.18 | XorA | ScaredyCat: and in 2007.1 patched stuff |
| 15:40.44 | XorA | if all it did was bitbake xxx then why do people use it :-) |
| 15:40.54 | gordonsyme | XorA: it could be anything run by bitbake... I would hope that there aren't bitbake recipes that edit any of the .bb files but you never know... |
| 15:41.22 | XorA | gordonsyme: but still fact continues, people not using MokoMakefile seem to be building 2007.2 fine |
| 15:41.29 | gordonsyme | point |
| 15:42.02 | XorA | Im not trashing MokoMakefile here, it is an excellent job, but there is obviously something slipping through the cracks |
| 15:42.26 | XorA | I suspect 2007.1 leaks into 2007.2 if you dont start again from scratch |
| 15:42.46 | gordonsyme | Just for fun, what command builds 2007.2 without using the MokoMakefile |
| 15:43.01 | gordonsyme | I did start from scratch so it's probably not leakage... |
| 15:43.12 | XorA | local.conf MACHINE="fic-gta01" DISTRO="openmoko" |
| 15:43.19 | ScaredyCat | and so have i so that's not the provlem |
| 15:43.20 | XorA | bitbake openmoko-devel-image |
| 15:43.23 | ScaredyCat | problem |
| 15:43.39 | gordonsyme | I'd be interested in seeing if I can get the same behaviour without the MokoMakefile, and if I can't, at least I'd have a built image :) |
| 15:43.39 | XorA | with mtn pull of org.oe.dev done at about 10am this morning |
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| 15:44.41 | gordonsyme | Hmmm... I only noticed this happening recently. I've done plenty of updates throughout the day though |
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| 15:46.52 | PBeck | re |
| 15:47.08 | ewon | er |
| 15:47.09 | PBeck | re |
| 15:47.33 | XorA | bitbake 1.8.6? |
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| 15:47.54 | gordonsyme | BitBake Build Tool Core version 1.8.7, bitbake version 1.8.7 |
| 15:48.09 | XorA | that could be the problem, 1.8.7 is under heavy devel |
| 15:48.29 | gordonsyme | ack, I'll try use an earlier one. ta |
| 15:48.45 | XorA | RP said something about dissapearing DEPENDS |
| 15:49.48 | gordonsyme | Is there a 1.8.6 branch? |
| 15:50.23 | XorA | gordonsyme: there is a tarball, and probably a label or whatever you call it in svn |
| 15:50.39 | XorA | gordonsyme: 1.8.6 is stable, 1.8.7 is what will become 1.8.8 stable |
| 15:50.50 | gordonsyme | XorA: ok, I'll go poke around |
| 15:50.54 | RP | There is a tag in svn |
| 15:51.29 | XorA | RP: I can never remeber the terminology with svn, all those directories confuse my feeble mind |
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| 15:52.04 | RP | I don't have any reproducible disappearing DEPENDS. This circular reference issue is proving difficult to debug :-( |
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| 16:00.41 | XorA | gordonsyme: BB_SVN_PATH := bitbake/tags/bitbake-1.8.6 |
| 16:00.46 | XorA | gordonsyme: in Makefile |
| 16:00.52 | mintee_ | it appears that my GTA01 battery is completly dead |
| 16:01.15 | XorA | mintee_: plug in USB for an hour or so, then it should be charged enough to boot and fast charge |
| 16:01.25 | mintee_ | XorA, danka |
| 16:01.28 | gordonsyme | XorA: ta! |
| 16:01.43 | XorA | mintee_: when totally discharged the charger only works at 100mA and that takes ages |
| 16:01.55 | mintee_ | yeah, i've noticed.. heh |
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| 16:08.37 | SpeedEvil | 40mA in practice |
| 16:10.14 | ScaredyCat | XorA|gone: ARE YOU USING A SNAPSHOT? |
| 16:10.16 | ScaredyCat | oops |
| 16:10.18 | ScaredyCat | caps sorry |
| 16:12.53 | ewon | ferric: you see that video I posted earlier? |
| 16:15.05 | ferric | ewon: no - where? |
| 16:16.03 | mintee_ | if i plug up my neo to a windows machine will it still charge... even at 100ma? |
| 16:16.21 | freelock | someone was asking about libxml changes? |
| 16:16.39 | ScaredyCat | mintee_: yes, but don;t turn it on |
| 16:16.51 | ScaredyCat | freelock: libxml2 |
| 16:17.07 | mintee_ | ScaredyCat, what would happen? heh |
| 16:17.10 | freelock | I have a fresh build tree that I started building last night with the beta MokoMakeFile |
| 16:17.18 | freelock | ... it fails at libxml2 |
| 16:17.52 | freelock | just tried make update && make openmoko-devel-image, failed again |
| 16:17.52 | ScaredyCat | mintee_: I don;t htink it's enough to run and charge... so it wouldn;t charge I guess. |
| 16:17.53 | mintee_ | ah, ok |
| 16:17.57 | ScaredyCat | freelock: it's on the wiki now... |
| 16:18.38 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.56 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#How_to_build |
| 16:19.35 | freelock | Ah, thanks... |
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| 16:25.37 | ewon | ferric: http://consumerist.com/consumer/videos/how-ups-delivers-when-youre-not-watching-290438.php |
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| 16:31.58 | CM | Whoo.. Thanks to the power of qemu, locales are being generated.. |
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| 16:36.39 | J-23 | Good night! |
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| 16:38.00 | bsc | im wondering if i will get a neo1973 in the beginning of phase2 |
| 16:39.18 | ruimoreira | bsc .... wondering the same thing |
| 16:39.41 | juri_ | i'm wondering if i will ever get my neo. |
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| 16:39.50 | juri_ | its been shipped to the wrong *continent*. |
| 16:39.53 | bsc | oO .. im scared now.. |
| 16:41.06 | ScaredyCat | CM: |
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| 16:41.30 | ScaredyCat | GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_GB.UTF-8" |
| 16:41.36 | ScaredyCat | put that in your local.conf |
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| 16:42.03 | gordonsyme | ScaredyCat: did you get a build? I'm giving up for the weekend |
| 16:42.26 | CM | ScaredyCat: Oh, thanks! :D |
| 16:42.33 | ScaredyCat | hehe, I've blown it all away. downloaded bitbake 1.8.6 |
| 16:42.44 | ScaredyCat | now jsut restarting the build again... |
| 16:42.59 | jgm | Where are you guys blowing out? I'm at #3431 so far with that libxml2-native fix |
| 16:43.05 | ScaredyCat | 212 of 3542 |
| 16:43.31 | CM | 262, the infamous glibc locales.. |
| 16:43.51 | zecke | time to use uclibc :) |
| 16:43.56 | jgm | Ah yeah I let it get on with it |
| 16:44.00 | ScaredyCat | my last one died at openmoko-contacts2 with an autoconf error |
| 16:44.03 | jgm | Took a while but they built in the end |
| 16:44.30 | gordonsyme | jgm: near the end, with a problem with qt4-x11-free-4.3.0-r5 |
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| 16:44.39 | gordonsyme | 3868 of 456 |
| 16:44.45 | ScaredyCat | wow... |
| 16:44.46 | gordonsyme | 4560 |
| 16:44.50 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 16:45.21 | ScaredyCat | I aslo got rid of all the sources, so it's dl'ing them again... |
| 16:45.30 | gordonsyme | fun. |
| 16:46.11 | ScaredyCat | glad I have a fast connection |
| 16:46.11 | gordonsyme | There aren't enough hours in the day for me to have another go at that |
| 16:46.12 | ScaredyCat | I know - it's a total nightmare... |
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| 16:46.15 | jgm | Once it works it should be nice for incremental builds but yeah the first one is a killer |
| 16:46.22 | ScaredyCat | it definately needs to get sorted out... its farking crap atm |
| 16:46.45 | gordonsyme | It takes me a few hours from scratch, I don't really want to have to do that every day. |
| 16:46.54 | ScaredyCat | libxml2 is about to explode |
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| 16:47.44 | ScaredyCat | ... see now it's just teasing me.... |
| 16:47.45 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: package libxml2-native-2.6.29: completed |
| 16:48.03 | gordonsyme | did you patch it? Or has someone fixed it properly? |
| 16:48.38 | CM | It has always built for me |
| 16:48.41 | ScaredyCat | no, it was some other patching i think.. not the actual build |
| 16:48.56 | gordonsyme | ah :) |
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| 16:49.49 | ScaredyCat | CM did you try that in your local.conf? |
| 16:50.08 | gordonsyme | I've had enough for one day, not going to touch it again until after the weekend |
| 16:50.19 | gordonsyme | I wish you all luck in your various build attempts |
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| 16:50.30 | ScaredyCat | lol... we'll need it... |
| 16:50.30 | CM | ScaredyCat: The locales thing? |
| 16:50.34 | ScaredyCat | d'oh |
| 16:50.36 | ScaredyCat | yeah |
| 16:50.53 | ScaredyCat | should save you a while |
| 16:51.30 | ScaredyCat | you say it's at 262 for the locales? |
| 16:51.31 | CM | Yes, I put it there, but did not restart the build since it's already done 205 locales |
| 16:51.42 | CM | Yes |
| 16:51.57 | ScaredyCat | 427: libxml2 explode |
| 16:52.13 | CM | Ok, then I'll deal with that after dinner :-) |
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| 16:55.18 | ScaredyCat | ctually 438 is the libxml2 compile |
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| 16:56.24 | CM | ScaredyCat: Are you running with rm_work btw? |
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| 16:56.32 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 16:56.53 | CM | I'm not either, couldn't even get started because of all the circular dependencies |
| 16:57.08 | jgm | Hmm.. seems to have completed okay for me :) |
| 16:57.37 | mbuf | i have made a copy of openmoko-stylus-demo in /home/moko/openmoko/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/examples and made changes; it builds with make; how do i create an .ipk for this new copied directory? |
| 16:58.05 | CM | mbuf: There's some examples in the wiki |
| 16:58.08 | ScaredyCat | jgm: everyhing? |
| 16:58.21 | CM | mbuf: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course might be a place to start looking |
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| 16:59.38 | ScaredyCat | jgm: so you only had the libxml2 error and no others... |
| 16:59.56 | jgm | Yep |
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| 17:00.57 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[ChangeLog]] [[Main_Page]] [[Hardware:AGPS]] |
| 17:01.05 | jgm | http://www.pastebin.ca/661231 shows a rerun of 'make openmoko-devel-image' after the build succeeded |
| 17:02.30 | ScaredyCat | mmmm..... |
| 17:03.41 | jgm | Now now, jealousy will get you nowhere |
| 17:03.58 | jgm | (If it makes you feel better I've decided to pick up a new rig so will have to rebuild it all again next week anyway) |
| 17:04.09 | CM | The number of locales being generated is approaching infinity.. :-( |
| 17:04.15 | ScaredyCat | i can give you some dd images ;) |
| 17:04.21 | jgm | CM: it's a couple less than that, but very close |
| 17:04.31 | ScaredyCat | you should have restarted it... |
| 17:04.51 | CM | ScaredyCat: Yes, it's getting close to that point now |
| 17:04.59 | jgm | Will be interesting to see if this stuff all works under feisty x64 |
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| 17:05.58 | jgm | CM: what package is that? |
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| 17:06.24 | CM | jgm: glibc, my nemisis ;) |
| 17:06.43 | CM | ScaredyCat: It was 272 that's the locale generation |
| 17:07.11 | ScaredyCat | I've gone passed there |
| 17:07.16 | ScaredyCat | i didn't even notice it |
| 17:07.31 | ScaredyCat | 533 |
| 17:07.52 | bsc | who tells me the command line to start openmoko-qemu?. i never worked with qemu |
| 17:07.57 | ScaredyCat | past |
| 17:07.59 | bsc | i just want to have a look |
| 17:08.11 | ScaredyCat | what are you using to run it? |
| 17:08.17 | ScaredyCat | mokomakefile? |
| 17:08.29 | ScaredyCat | bsc |
| 17:08.44 | bsc | i think so.. i compiled a special qemu version |
| 17:08.54 | bsc | arne@basemachine ~/openmoko/qemu-neo1973/arm-softmmu $ ./qemu-system-arm |
| 17:08.59 | bsc | but i dont know the parameters |
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| 17:09.16 | ScaredyCat | make run-qemu |
| 17:09.50 | bsc | eh.in which directory? |
| 17:09.54 | ScaredyCat | qemu-system-arm \ |
| 17:09.55 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.55 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.55 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.55 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.55 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.04 | bsc | thanks |
| 17:11.49 | bsc | ScaredyCat: is openmoko-sd.image already existing or what will boot? |
| 17:12.13 | ScaredyCat | have you built it ? |
| 17:12.28 | bsc | hm .. wait |
| 17:13.02 | bsc | yeah sure i have compiled it |
| 17:13.11 | ScaredyCat | the images i mean |
| 17:13.12 | bsc | but i havnt got the kernel,diskimage |
| 17:13.15 | bsc | no i dont |
| 17:13.36 | bsc | didnt* |
| 17:13.56 | mbuf | how and where do i add libmokoui, libgsm libraries in .bb file, if i am building a stand-alone application using http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course |
| 17:14.12 | ScaredyCat | I don;t have qemu images... I've never used it ... you could use Xoo + Xnest and use a rootfs image |
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| 17:14.48 | bsc | damn.. no im to lazy |
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| 17:16.31 | bsc | and where is the fukin kernel -_- |
| 17:17.19 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/ you can get the rootfs and kernel images that i've built |
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| 17:19.01 | ScaredyCat | mbuf: can't you just 'inherit openmoko' ? |
| 17:19.56 | Kliment | okay, I'm back in finland holding my phone |
| 17:20.10 | Kliment | so where do I start? |
| 17:20.25 | ScaredyCat | France... |
| 17:20.26 | Kliment | are the chooseopen imagest the most current or not? |
| 17:20.34 | Kliment | images* |
| 17:21.16 | ruimoreira | Kliment: you start ny shipping your phone to me .... free :D |
| 17:21.22 | ScaredyCat | CM : did you get a problem wiht uicmoc4-native-4.3.0-r2 |
| 17:21.22 | CM | ScaredyCat: I should definitely have restarted.. 310 locales done so far.. Gentoo only have 245 |
| 17:21.23 | bsc | ScaredyCat: damn i want the standard qemu-way |
| 17:21.37 | CM | ScaredyCat: No, but it took ages to build |
| 17:21.43 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, how? i get libmokoui/moko-ui.h: No such file or directory; similarily for gtk/gtkbutton.h; i should override CFLAGS, LDFLAGS in .bb file? |
| 17:21.47 | CM | At least more than 45 minutes |
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| 17:27.47 | CM | ~lart useless glibc locales |
| 17:27.47 | apt | pours hot grits down the front of useless glibc locales's pants |
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| 17:31.59 | bsc | i want openmoko under qemu :( |
| 17:32.51 | ScaredyCat | feck! |
| 17:32.53 | ScaredyCat | ERROR: Error in executing: |
| 17:32.53 | ScaredyCat | ERROR: Exception:<class 'CmdError'> Message:Command Error: exit status: 1 Output: |
| 17:33.11 | ScaredyCat | src/gsmd/atcmd.c |
| 17:33.14 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, how do i inherit openmoko? |
| 17:33.29 | ScaredyCat | in the bb file.... inherit openmoko |
| 17:34.05 | CM | Ok.. glibc builds 364 locales by default.. |
| 17:34.17 | CM | I bet no more than 5 has ever been used |
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| 17:35.43 | florian | CM: GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_GB.UTF-8 de_DE.UTF-8 fr_FR.UTF-8" e.g. |
| 17:36.43 | CM | florian: Thanks :) (And to ScaredyCat who was quicker to mention it) |
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| 17:37.53 | ScaredyCat | by about 17 days |
| 17:39.05 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, why is it downloading packages from the Internet? is there anyway to say to MokoMakefile to not download stuff from the server? |
| 17:41.09 | ScaredyCat | it's going to download any dependancies.. |
| 17:41.23 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, ok |
| 17:41.37 | ScaredyCat | I assume it's only doing libs ? |
| 17:42.20 | ScaredyCat | CM : my build is b0rked - totally |
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| 17:44.09 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, for openmoko updates; anyways i am going to just build standalone application from examples and use it; |
| 17:45.45 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, urgh, but, i also need to cross-build to test on the phone |
| 17:46.21 | Kliment | heh, tried calling my other phone from the neo and it didn't work |
| 17:46.32 | Kliment | took me half an hour to figure out my other phone had crashed |
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| 17:51.45 | Kliment | looks like telling the gui to power up gsm is a bad idea |
| 17:52.10 | Kliment | just tried out the Aug 10 ScaredyCat build |
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| 17:53.31 | CM | ~logs |
| 17:53.32 | apt | [logs] apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
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| 17:57.34 | ScaredyCat | CM : what version of bitbake are you using? |
| 17:58.00 | jgm | Okay 2007.2 up and running on qemu with the new mokomakefile, phew |
| 17:58.11 | ScaredyCat | gah! |
| 17:59.12 | ScaredyCat | I've dropped the -j4 and bb_parallel too... |
| 17:59.41 | jgm | ScaredyCat: is it failing for you from a fresh build? |
| 17:59.46 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 17:59.56 | ScaredyCat | I'm about to explode |
| 18:00.34 | jgm | Let me know if you want to check anything against my build. Or I can make an image available if you need it |
| 18:01.40 | ScaredyCat | k.. |
| 18:01.47 | ScaredyCat | what version of bitbake are you using? |
| 18:02.09 | jgm | 1.8.7 |
| 18:02.13 | ScaredyCat | mmm... |
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| 18:05.53 | Kliment | hmm, looks like gsmd is broken on this image |
| 18:07.28 | ScaredyCat | pfft.. |
| 18:07.31 | pH5 | Kliment: is this a CFUN/COPS hangup like this http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gsmd-devel/2007-June/000062.html ? |
| 18:07.42 | ScaredyCat | not on my images |
| 18:09.12 | Kliment | pH5: I don't think so |
| 18:09.14 | Kliment | hold on |
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| 18:11.16 | Kliment | okay, it looks more like the dead gsm bug |
| 18:11.34 | Ghiottone | hello all |
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| 18:17.35 | mbuf | trying to do a manual compile link from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_a_hello_world_application, i get this: unrecognized command line option "-W1,-rpath-link,/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib" - what do i need to do? |
| 18:18.50 | jseghers | try removing the commas |
| 18:18.58 | jseghers | replace them with spaces |
| 18:19.57 | Ghiottone | is there a way to use distcc or other similar program to compile openmoko? |
| 18:19.59 | mbuf | /home/moko/build/tmp/cross/arm-linux/bin/gcc -L/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib -W1 -rpath-link /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib -W1 -01 -g -o hw main.c `/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/pkg-config --cflags --libs openmoko-libs gtk+-2.0` |
| 18:20.24 | mbuf | unrecognized option -rpath-link, -01, -W1 |
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| 18:22.24 | jseghers | mbuf: sorry... I'm not sure why they're doing those specific option...not familiar enough with GCC myself. |
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| 18:24.06 | mbuf | jseghers, actually lib-W1-rpath-link/home... works, it complains about -W1, -O1 |
| 18:24.51 | mrface | does anyone else run into an Input/Output error when scp'ing large files to the neo? more importantly, anyone know of a workaround? |
| 18:25.09 | Ghiottone | I think that is the -Wl param, not -W1 |
| 18:25.29 | Ghiottone | -Wl tells gcc to pass arguments to the linker |
| 18:25.48 | Ghiottone | syntax is -Wl,option1,option2,option3 |
| 18:26.06 | Ghiottone | actually, you have to use commas |
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| 18:26.56 | Ghiottone | use info gcc, then search for -Wl |
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| 18:28.07 | Kliment | how do I get out of cu? |
| 18:28.32 | mbuf | Kliment, press tilde and dot |
| 18:28.38 | mbuf | /home/moko/build/tmp/cross/arm-linux/bin/gcc -L/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib-Wl,-rpath-link,/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/lib -Wl,-O1 -g -o hw main.c `/home/moko/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/pkg-config --cflags --libs openmoko-libs gtk+-2.0` |
| 18:28.43 | mbuf | gives me ld error |
| 18:28.58 | Kliment | tilde and dot? |
| 18:29.06 | pH5 | Kliment: ~. |
| 18:29.27 | Kliment | oh, that closed the whole ssh session |
| 18:29.30 | jseghers | mbuf: you need a space between lib and -WI in: -linux/lib-Wl,-rpat |
| 18:29.30 | Kliment | but thanks |
| 18:29.34 | doc|work | gps is traceable, right? |
| 18:29.59 | jseghers | doc: you mean in someone else can trace you using it? no. |
| 18:30.13 | jseghers | doc GPS is completely passive. |
| 18:30.27 | doc|work | jseghers: no, I mean that when you ping a satellite it knows where it's coming from? |
| 18:30.33 | doc|work | (the ping) |
| 18:30.42 | jseghers | doc: you don't ping the satellite |
| 18:30.54 | pH5 | doc|home: that's not how gps works. you just receive data from satellites and compare the timings |
| 18:30.57 | mbuf | jseghers, thanks! it worked |
| 18:32.13 | doc|work | pH5: ok, so, how would this work? http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/16/mercedes--benz-ignores-court-order-to-activate-suspects-gps/ |
| 18:32.39 | jseghers | doc: the satellites send synchronized signals. The receiver compares the timings of when those signals are received and uses its knowledge of where the satellites are (via the ephemerides tables that is also broadcast by the gps satellites) to compute position. |
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| 18:33.18 | doc|work | jseghers: ok, but in that article they wanted to use that to trace it back to the car |
| 18:33.45 | jseghers | doc: That's a system that uses another radio link to send the GPS location the car has already determined to them. |
| 18:34.22 | doc|work | so that gps system has gps and a radio transmitter? |
| 18:34.25 | pH5 | doc|home: you can do that, too, with the neo: just send your position via gprs after obtaining it from the gps :) |
| 18:34.30 | jseghers | Any time you hear about "GPS tracking" of a car, device, etc. it's refering to using some other communications link |
| 18:35.10 | jgm | Are the openmoko tasks different in OM2007.2? I'm tacking something on to the end of task-openmoko-ui and it doesn't seem to be picked up |
| 18:35.13 | doc|work | pH5: yep, but it just seems odd that a car would have that powerful a radio transmitter to make that all that useful |
| 18:35.37 | Kliment | pH5: gsmd.c:227:firstcmd_tmr_cb() No response from GSM |
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| 18:35.42 | Kliment | pH5: this is what I get |
| 18:35.55 | Kliment | pH5: with some fiddling around in cu I managed to make it call me |
| 18:36.04 | Kliment | but with gsmd I get this |
| 18:37.21 | jgm | Kliment: If you are using cu through ssh you need to send ~~. (the ~~ escapes ~ through ssh, which also uses ~. as a hangup signal) |
| 18:38.10 | jseghers | doc: GM has been shipping "Onstar" for years. This basically a sattelite phone technology. |
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| 18:39.14 | doc|work | jseghers: ah, ok, thanks |
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| 18:41.48 | Kliment | I can't seem to get the modem to answer at all now |
| 18:42.25 | mbuf | what package should i add to pkg-config to use libgsmd ? |
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| 18:43.48 | pH5 | mbuf: libgsmd |
| 18:44.46 | mbuf | pH5, i get In file included from /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/libgsmd/libgsmd.h:12, |
| 18:44.46 | mbuf | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.46 | mbuf | /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/gsmd/usock.h:5:31: error: common/linux_list.h: No such file or directory |
| 18:45.37 | pH5 | Kliment: no response in firstcmd_tmr_cb somehow looks like it starts to send stuff before the chip is ready. can you paste the complete log? |
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| 18:47.24 | pH5 | mbuf: but that include is inside that #ifdef __GSMD__?? |
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| 18:49.15 | Kliment | pH5: just rebooted, let me try |
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| 18:50.54 | rmoravcik | pH5: http://pastebin.ca/661334 |
| 18:50.59 | mbuf | pH5, it is a simply main.c file that includes lgsm_init, http://pastebin.ca/661332 |
| 18:51.12 | mbuf | ph5, it uses lgsm_init |
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| 18:51.49 | Ghiottone | anyone knows something about distcc and openmoko builds? |
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| 18:52.25 | DeeDeND | Anyone know if there is a project about a netmonitor for Neo1973? |
| 18:52.34 | rmoravcik | pH5: Hi!, it's with svn version of gsmd |
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| 18:54.42 | mbuf | pH5, it occurs if i include libgsmd/libgsmd.h |
| 18:55.03 | mdt | mbuf, common/list something missing? |
| 18:55.27 | pH5 | this looks like somehow __GSMD__ is defined while including gsmd/usock.h, but why? |
| 18:55.33 | mbuf | mdt, yes, common/linux_list.h missing, http://pastebin.ca/661332 |
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| 18:56.08 | mdt | mbuf, i already sayed it in the list... for now i just copied the file to the right location |
| 18:56.37 | pH5 | that file is internal, it shouldn't be used/needed at all |
| 18:56.38 | mbuf | mdt, which list did you post this to? |
| 18:56.54 | mdt | libgsmd - devel |
| 18:57.21 | mdt | there was already a patch because of missing sms.h and another... |
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| 18:57.43 | mdt | it seems nobody is interested in the telefony capabilities of the neo ;) |
| 18:58.04 | mdt | i copied build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/libgsmd-0.1+svnnow-r0_0_2738/gsm/include/common/linux_list.h build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/common for now.. |
| 18:58.29 | Kliment | pH5: http://pastebin.com/m528fa962 |
| 18:58.29 | pH5 | mbuf: can you check where __GSMD__ is defined in that build and/or if you still get that error if you remove the complete __GSMD__-ifdefed block from gsmd/usock.h? |
| 18:58.48 | Kliment | pH5: this is what gsmd gives me |
| 18:58.57 | Kliment | pH5: and now I can't even get cu to work |
| 18:59.16 | mdt | i am really said about it. there is alot discussion about the history of gsmd and the kind of rpc, but aren't there any developer that really /use/ libgsmd?? |
| 18:59.23 | mbuf | pH5, i am doing a simple main.c file, using my own Makefile; |
| 18:59.27 | pH5 | Kliment: new build? that looks nearly exactly like what rmoravcik just posted |
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| 19:00.06 | mbuf | pH5, i'll check in my complete build to see where __GSMD__ is defined |
| 19:00.08 | mdt | pH5, you already run into trouble when including sms.h... now this one is included but the other one is missing |
| 19:00.34 | pH5 | Kliment: and I'd try to poweroff/on the gsm chip first. |
| 19:00.40 | Kliment | pH5: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing#20070810065827_with_kernel_2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_and_default_uboot |
| 19:00.44 | Kliment | thisis what I'm using |
| 19:00.49 | Kliment | and I tried power off/on |
| 19:00.57 | mdt | so you are really working with libgsmd? |
| 19:00.59 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_groups:_Boston]] [[GPS_Navigation]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] |
| 19:01.06 | Kliment | root@fic-gta01:~$ echo "0"> /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on |
| 19:01.06 | Kliment | root@fic-gta01:~$ echo "1"> /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on |
| 19:02.34 | mdt | Kliment, what are you working on? |
| 19:03.28 | Kliment | mdt: just flashed it for the first time today |
| 19:04.04 | Kliment | mdt: I'd like to work on power consumption, but first I need to get it to do anything at all :) |
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| 19:04.54 | mdt | ah, okay.... point is i am working on a application that uses libgsmd but found it non-working... and asking on the development list gave no answer. it seems the neo is not for doing phone calls at all :/ |
| 19:05.16 | Kliment | I got it to make a call a while ago |
| 19:05.20 | Kliment | but I can'treproduce |
| 19:05.48 | Kliment | the behavior I mean, haven't attempted reproducing myself today ;) |
| 19:06.14 | mdt | shure, i can do a call with libgsm-tool but after that gsmd crashes |
| 19:07.01 | mdt | and: i as a human can do O, R and D but a program should follow some flow... do you get notified when to do the R? |
| 19:08.04 | ynezz | I wonder why do you think, that the gsm is usable? :) |
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| 19:11.06 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: FYI I just updated libgsmd in OE in regards to the applied patches. |
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| 19:12.47 | dcordes | hi chan |
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| 19:13.22 | mbuf | mdt, what kind of application? |
| 19:15.01 | pH5 | hej stefan_schmidt, thanks |
| 19:15.28 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: np |
| 19:15.42 | pH5 | stefan_schmidt: btw, you've still got that dopod omap850 phone around? it seems people are starting to run linux on omap850 left and right, currently. |
| 19:15.51 | pH5 | yes :) |
| 19:16.01 | pH5 | good to see it gets some more attention now, though |
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| 19:16.08 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: Yeah, still around. Wanne have it? |
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| 19:17.04 | jseghers | I'm trying to access the console using the Debug board. Once I do the modprobe ftdi_sio with vendor/product, I get two ttyUSB devices, 0 and 1 showing up. If I use cu -l /dev/ttyUSB0, it "connects", but there doesn't seem to be anything there. |
| 19:17.12 | jseghers | Same with if I use USB1 |
| 19:17.37 | pH5 | stefan_schmidt: if you can spare it for a while, yes, I'd like to give it a shot. |
| 19:18.00 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: I spare it for a long time now. Just no time. |
| 19:18.01 | jseghers | I'm specifically trying to get hold of the output from stdout and stderr that would normally go to the console |
| 19:18.20 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: Send me your post address via mail and I try to get it out next week. |
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| 19:22.32 | pH5 | ok, will do |
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| 19:33.30 | jseghers | How do you get access to the console output on the device? |
| 19:34.16 | jgm | jseghers: think uboot has an option to send console to USB |
| 19:34.24 | SpeedEvil | It does. |
| 19:34.32 | jseghers | Yes, but that gets reset when you boot |
| 19:34.55 | SpeedEvil | if you have tty_acm loaded on your host (or autoloading set right) then /dev/ttyACM0 should pop up on boot |
| 19:35.44 | CM | jseghers: Is your uboot menu borked, only showing Boot and Factory Reset? |
| 19:35.58 | jseghers | CM: no, I have all the options. |
| 19:36.10 | CM | Ok |
| 19:36.34 | jgm | Has anyone had any luck with adding tasks in to OM2007.2 using mokomakefile? It seems to be totally ignoring me... |
| 19:36.50 | robster | jgm: tasks? |
| 19:36.56 | jgm | In bitbake |
| 19:38.20 | jgm | Or even packages, come to that |
| 19:38.23 | mdt | mbuf, hm, hard to say. somethig similar to openmoko |
| 19:38.53 | mdt | mbuf, a application to control telefony, messaging, ... all stuff i /really/ need |
| 19:38.56 | mintee_ | from the inital flashing of the latest openmoko, the sound doesn't work when making\recieving calls.. is that normal? |
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| 19:39.52 | mbuf | mdt, pH5, i copied /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/libgsmd-0.1+svnnow-r0_0_2738/gsm/include/common/linux_list.h to /home/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/common, and the stand-alone main.c with Makefile builds fine |
| 19:40.05 | Vegar | mintee_: have you unmuted it in alsamixer? |
| 19:40.25 | mdt | mbuf, shure ;) |
| 19:40.30 | pH5 | mbuf: yes, that's a valid work-around, but not the correct solution. |
| 19:40.50 | mbuf | pH5, i can live with it for now |
| 19:40.52 | mdt | pH5, question is, is linux_list needed? |
| 19:41.05 | mdt | mbuf, what kind of development do you do? |
| 19:41.25 | pH5 | mdt: no, it's internal to gsmd. that's why this include is inside an #ifdef __GSMD__ block. |
| 19:41.30 | quicksand | CM: you still around? |
| 19:41.40 | mbuf | mdt, embedded, been working on USB mostly |
| 19:41.43 | pH5 | maybe we should clean that block from the installed header files like it's done with kernel-headers |
| 19:41.56 | mdt | pH5, so the question still is why is __GSMD__ defined.... |
| 19:42.20 | mintee_ | looks like it. I'm currently not logged into the phone via ssh, as I don' thave a linux machine here at my office, and I cannot figure out how to emulate the arrowkeys to move about in alsamixer |
| 19:42.25 | mdt | mbuf, so who else is doing telephony stuff on the neo? :D |
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| 19:42.39 | pH5 | mdt: yes, exactly. |
| 19:42.53 | mbuf | mdt, thought will play with libgsmd to see how it is |
| 19:42.58 | Kliment | let's see what 2007.2 looks like |
| 19:43.02 | mbuf | mdt, haven't done much actually |
| 19:43.35 | mbuf | i see ohci_hcd loaded on the Neo, so any core USB kernel support is required to use the Neo in USB host mode? |
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| 19:43.37 | jseghers | In uBoot, I set console to USB. Then connect with cu -l /dev/ttyACM0. That connects fine. Then I type boot and it gives the initial booting screen (NAND read....) and then hangs up with the Linux boot messages going to the screen. If I try cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 again, it tells me that doesn't exits |
| 19:43.39 | mdt | mbuf, i have lots of questions as a developer using libgsmd ...but get no answer. ;? |
| 19:43.55 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: it's needed to switch the external port from host to ddevice mode. |
| 19:43.58 | SpeedEvil | That's not there yet. |
| 19:44.21 | SpeedEvil | ttyACM0 goes away after uboot boots the syste,m |
| 19:44.26 | jgm | The core developers don't hang out here much, so it's community help only around here. |
| 19:44.28 | mbuf | mdt, ohh, where do you post your queries to? i'll try to come to IRC often |
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| 19:44.49 | jseghers | SpeedEvil: how can I get at the console after booting into Linux? |
| 19:44.53 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, switch? if there is a mini-A connector, shouldn't it automatically operate in host mode? |
| 19:44.57 | SpeedEvil | ssh into linux. |
| 19:45.00 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: no. |
| 19:45.06 | SpeedEvil | bmidgley: not implemented. |
| 19:45.09 | Kliment | mbuf: it does not implement usbotg |
| 19:45.30 | Vegar | mintee_: can't you use the onscreen keyboard? |
| 19:45.38 | Kliment | mbuf: so it can only operate as host or device |
| 19:45.39 | mdt | mbuf, in the mailing list |
| 19:45.39 | SpeedEvil | jseghers: ssh in |
| 19:45.55 | jseghers | SpeedEvil: yes, I can ssh to it. But that doesn't seem to give me the stdout from apps running. |
| 19:46.09 | SpeedEvil | no - it'll give you any apps you start though. |
| 19:46.15 | mbuf | Kliment, so how do you make it operate in host mode? |
| 19:46.17 | SpeedEvil | and you cna kill and restart the core apps |
| 19:46.21 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: you don't - yet. |
| 19:46.27 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: the patches are not in. |
| 19:46.32 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, ok |
| 19:46.41 | bmidgley | SpeedEvil: what's not implemented? |
| 19:46.48 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: there are two internal host ports. One is brought out to the external port. |
| 19:46.51 | Kliment | jseghers: you kill the xsession and start it from /etc/init.d |
| 19:47.01 | SpeedEvil | The external port can also be switched to a device port. |
| 19:47.02 | Kliment | jseghers: that gives you everything to the usb console |
| 19:47.06 | jseghers | speedEvil: OK |
| 19:47.08 | SpeedEvil | this switching is not implemented. |
| 19:47.21 | SpeedEvil | bmidgley: sorry - I typoed you. |
| 19:47.24 | mdt | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gsmd-devel/2007-August/000187.html |
| 19:47.30 | mbuf | jgm, i saw in the planet.OM that they were setting up the floor and network gear for the OM team, where they can get free access to IRC, right now its restricted, i believe |
| 19:47.50 | bmidgley | SpeedEvil: at first I had this feeling you were reading my mind as I typed an email to the list :) |
| 19:48.11 | Kliment | mmm, me likes 2007.2 |
| 19:48.36 | bmidgley | is it easy to switch a mokomakefile build to 2007.2? |
| 19:48.41 | SpeedEvil | bmidgley: Oh - I'm doing that too. |
| 19:48.43 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 19:48.45 | jgm | Have they never heard of wireless? :/ |
| 19:49.00 | Ghiottone | how do you change mokomakefile to 2007.2? |
| 19:49.06 | jgm | bmidgley: probably not. Most people have just started again from scratch |
| 19:49.21 | pH5 | mdt: did you look at the source of libgsmd-tool? |
| 19:49.36 | mbuf | if i speak for 15 minutes with the Neo1973, it gets little hot to be placed in the ear; has anyone experienced it? |
| 19:49.51 | mbuf | *near the ear |
| 19:50.05 | bmidgley | mbuf: you've talked for 15 minutes!! (croud cheers) |
| 19:50.06 | doc|work | mbuf: I've had that with other phones. Speakers get hot. |
| 19:50.08 | SpeedEvil | That's the SQUID. |
| 19:50.10 | doc|work | bmidgley: hah |
| 19:50.17 | SpeedEvil | Doing mind-reading, and reporting to the NSA. |
| 19:50.23 | bmidgley | crowd duh |
| 19:50.35 | mjr | mmh, there's another reason then to turn off the CPU while talking |
| 19:50.38 | mbuf | bmidgley, international call |
| 19:51.01 | bmidgley | mbuf: even better |
| 19:51.28 | SpeedEvil | GSM on a call uses about as much power as the phone does usually. |
| 19:51.39 | mbuf | doc|work, i see; that is why we need to use the headset, i suppose |
| 19:51.58 | doc|work | mbuf: dunno, that might not be the sole cause |
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| 19:54.26 | speerschleuder | hello |
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| 19:55.16 | mbuf | one more thing is that if i don't use the Neo for a day, i need to do a slow charge for atleast 20 minutes before it powers up |
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| 19:55.31 | SpeedEvil | that's due to the modem not turning off properly. |
| 19:55.34 | SpeedEvil | Or something not. |
| 19:55.42 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, i see |
| 19:55.44 | SpeedEvil | procedure at the moment is to pop the battery after turning off. |
| 19:55.55 | SpeedEvil | It draws some 30mA, when 'off' |
| 19:56.03 | SpeedEvil | If you don't do that. |
| 19:56.10 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, ohh, ok; will follow that in future |
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| 19:56.56 | SpeedEvil | 'off' - properly - it draws well under a tenth of a milliamp. |
| 19:57.08 | SpeedEvil | so it should keep charge for a year, with the battery in. |
| 20:00.05 | Vegar | how come it's so powerhungry? |
| 20:00.15 | Vegar | (the modem) |
| 20:00.47 | SpeedEvil | I'm assuming it's the modem. |
| 20:00.53 | SpeedEvil | I don't know that for a fact. |
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| 20:01.24 | SpeedEvil | There is something that draws 30mA, when turned 'off'. |
| 20:01.48 | SpeedEvil | However, setting the 'power down' bits on the modem diddn't actually help. |
| 20:02.08 | SpeedEvil | It could also be one of the other eleventy-million chips. |
| 20:02.11 | doc|work | radio type stuff is generally pretty power hungry last I studied it |
| 20:02.22 | SpeedEvil | 30mA is _way_ too heavy though. |
| 20:02.29 | SpeedEvil | Compared to state of the norm. |
| 20:02.53 | mintee_ | I seen something go by in here once about setting the time and keeping it from resetting to 1970, but I can't find anything regarding it on the wiki. |
| 20:03.07 | pH5 | SpeedEvil: does doing AT+CFUN=0 before setting the power down bits help, maybe? |
| 20:03.07 | SpeedEvil | hwclock -w |
| 20:03.10 | SpeedEvil | or something |
| 20:03.13 | SpeedEvil | ph5: no |
| 20:03.20 | SpeedEvil | Tried that too. |
| 20:03.29 | pH5 | SpeedEvil: yeah, I should have known :) |
| 20:03.43 | jseghers | SpeedEvil: Can you point me to a reference for *how* to restart the core Xsession and apps? I get the error: "matchbox-wm: can't open display! check your DISPLAY variable" even if I set DISPLAY=:0 in the env. |
| 20:03.53 | pH5 | well, I'll just continue to do the battery trick for now. |
| 20:03.56 | SpeedEvil | I'm going to open it, and see if I can break into the can. |
| 20:04.19 | SpeedEvil | jseghers: export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 20:04.38 | SpeedEvil | it's something to do with hwclock anyway |
| 20:04.48 | SpeedEvil | I've got mine working now. |
| 20:04.50 | jseghers | SpeedEvil: I tried that. |
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| 20:05.24 | jseghers | I'm trying to start it with /bin/sh /etc/X11/Xsession |
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| 20:05.47 | SpeedEvil | Why do you need stdouts anyway? |
| 20:06.19 | jseghers | Because I'm adding a feature to openmoko-dialer, and I need to see what it's telling me in debug output. |
| 20:06.45 | Kliment | pH5: still getting the no response error |
| 20:06.53 | pH5 | :( |
| 20:07.03 | Kliment | jseghers: you kill the xserver, then start it again from ssh |
| 20:07.04 | pH5 | I'll try to reproduce that once I get my neo running again. |
| 20:07.38 | Kliment | jseghers: that spews out all the debug messages to the ssh console |
| 20:07.44 | Kliment | jseghers: at least for me it does |
| 20:07.49 | jseghers | Kliment: That's what I'm trying... but it won't start. |
| 20:07.59 | Kliment | ? |
| 20:09.02 | Kliment | jseghers: /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start |
| 20:09.15 | jseghers | http://pastebin.com/d7d325876 |
| 20:09.33 | jseghers | OK: I'll try that... |
| 20:10.35 | Kliment | pH5: it is exactly the same behavior as in http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=256 |
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| 20:13.09 | pH5 | Kliment: in that bug cu disabled flow control and thus killed the connection, at least for me. |
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| 20:13.44 | jseghers | Kliment: that worked, except the screen was blank... though I'm thinking that may have been the backlight being off. I'm rebooting and trying again. |
| 20:13.51 | pH5 | if it's the same, killing cu and running stty -F /dev/ttySAC0 crtscts should set things right again |
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| 20:15.15 | CM | Damn, managed to drain my Neo battery. Didn't take long |
| 20:16.00 | quicksand | CM: what did you end up doing to get glibc locales to work? I had the same problem, but ended up disabling locales entirely to get by. |
| 20:16.15 | quicksand | (of course, the build broke elsewhere anyway) |
| 20:16.19 | CM | quicksand: I built qemu |
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| 20:16.34 | CM | Somehow, that makes all locales available again.. *shrug* |
| 20:16.41 | CM | Mine failed too, on the kernel |
| 20:16.45 | CM | Same as this morning |
| 20:16.47 | quicksand | Weird. |
| 20:17.05 | hozer | so.. um.. this case seems pretty hard to open |
| 20:17.05 | quicksand | Thx. |
| 20:17.25 | CM | hozer: Use the guitar pick and open at the top :) |
| 20:18.31 | hozer | thanks |
| 20:18.53 | SpeedEvil | I find: |
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| 20:19.09 | SpeedEvil | ball your hand up into a partial fist. |
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| 20:20.03 | ewon | o0 |
| 20:20.03 | SpeedEvil | place nail of middle finger into slot, and the heel of your palm 4cm or so down the case. |
| 20:20.03 | ewon | careful now |
| 20:20.03 | doc|work | get hammer and .... |
| 20:20.17 | SpeedEvil | now, with the wrist held rigid, move the arm down towards the case the end will pop out. |
| 20:21.05 | SpeedEvil | (of the case, not the arm) |
| 20:21.18 | hozer | so, if I leave it at the 'kernel panic no init' will it charge? ;) |
| 20:21.42 | CM | hozer: Yes, as long as the usb is in |
| 20:21.54 | CM | I just managed to drain my battery for the first time.. What a pain |
| 20:22.27 | shadoknight | hi all |
| 20:22.30 | shadoknight | I'm new here ;-) |
| 20:22.34 | SpeedEvil | See Neo1973 Charging on the wiki |
| 20:22.36 | jseghers | They mention on the web that the 100ma charge isn't enough to power it... I drained a battery leaving it plugged in at that stage |
| 20:22.45 | shadoknight | no neo yet, but I'm interested in doing some dev work with the emulator and such |
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| 20:23.03 | SpeedEvil | You can do that. |
| 20:23.04 | SpeedEvil | faq? |
| 20:23.05 | aloril | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) |
| 20:23.05 | shadoknight | trying to get MokoMakefile working - having a reproducible problem, and rwhitby doesn't seem to be around |
| 20:23.08 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 20:23.16 | shadoknight | anyone here feel they may be able to help? |
| 20:23.20 | SpeedEvil | what's the problem - someone mya heave a clue. |
| 20:23.23 | jseghers | Charge from the bootloader, connect with "cu" and enable the fast charging. |
| 20:23.28 | shadoknight | compile error |
| 20:23.38 | shadoknight | building openmoko-libs-0.4.0+svnnow-r0_2367 |
| 20:23.42 | shadoknight | seems to fail in finding a header |
| 20:23.57 | shadoknight | .../moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux/include/gsmd/usock.h:5:31: error: common/linux_list.h: |
| 20:24.09 | CM | Has anyone been able to build the kernel for 2007.2 today? |
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| 20:24.43 | CM | shadoknight: Try make update ; make setup |
| 20:24.46 | shadoknight | I was just following along on the MokoMakefile Wiki directions, so I haven't done anything fancy... |
| 20:24.49 | shadoknight | did that three times ;-) |
| 20:24.54 | CM | Heh, ok |
| 20:24.56 | shadoknight | (says to before coming here :p) |
| 20:25.06 | shadoknight | <good at following directions> |
| 20:25.07 | CM | There's been a lot of updates to gsmd today |
| 20:25.12 | shadoknight | ahh, that'd do it |
| 20:25.18 | shadoknight | it's definitely in the gsm stuff |
| 20:25.38 | shadoknight | I went through the various -I and -isystem include directives and none of them have the aforementioned file |
| 20:25.46 | shadoknight | (or directory, for that matter - no 'common' that I could find) |
| 20:25.48 | CM | I can't even get past linux_2.6.21.. http://rafb.net/p/5TBUuR29.html |
| 20:26.10 | shadoknight | anyone know how (if?) I can skip the GSM step? |
| 20:26.59 | CM | Not sure, but maybe BBMASK="gsmd" in local.conf could work? |
| 20:27.11 | shadoknight | that looks like a different version of MokoMakefile |
| 20:27.17 | shadoknight | are folks using the '2007.2 alpha' version? |
| 20:27.23 | CM | I'm afraid gsmd is a dependancy to the dialer and such though |
| 20:27.24 | shadoknight | (the one warned against on the wiki...) |
| 20:27.30 | CM | I am, and it's not working |
| 20:27.34 | hozer | where the heck is the aux button? |
| 20:27.35 | shadoknight | ;) |
| 20:27.43 | CM | hozer: Uppler left side |
| 20:27.47 | CM | -l |
| 20:27.47 | SpeedEvil | looks like IRDA |
| 20:27.48 | SpeedEvil | isn't. |
| 20:27.51 | shadoknight | cm: I'll try the bbmask - thanks |
| 20:27.59 | hozer | doh |
| 20:28.09 | hozer | I coulda swore it was an irda ;) |
| 20:28.38 | CM | shadoknight: As I said, I'm sure the dialer or something else will complain. You'll probably need to do a make clean-package-gsmd too |
| 20:28.59 | hozer | okay, does it charge via usb when powered off? |
| 20:28.59 | shadoknight | <nod> |
| 20:29.05 | SpeedEvil | hozer: yes. |
| 20:29.05 | shadoknight | cool - thanks |
| 20:29.15 | SpeedEvil | hozer: but the modem or other stuff may still be on. |
| 20:29.24 | SpeedEvil | See Neo1973 Charging on the wiki |
| 20:29.33 | SpeedEvil | precis: pull the battery, replace, charge |
| 20:29.35 | CM | hozer: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Charging |
| 20:32.54 | shadoknight | (and even when he does, he's never on time) |
| 20:33.03 | hozer | okay.. this is obnoxious.. |
| 20:33.16 | hozer | running cu as root is giving me 'permission denied' |
| 20:33.22 | shadoknight | while this ticks, anyone else (other than CM) using the 2007.2 MokoMakefile and is it working for you? |
| 20:33.45 | CM | shadoknight: I think ScaredyCat is building, but I don't know how far he got |
| 20:34.08 | jgm | I've managed to build it |
| 20:34.18 | quicksand | I'm not using it -- but it appears most errors are build errors related to the state of the code, NOT related to the makefile. |
| 20:34.20 | jgm | Works fine on feisty/x86 |
| 20:34.59 | CM | jgm: Do you have a /home/moko/openembedded/packages/linux/linux/defconfig |
| 20:35.00 | shadoknight | quicksand: thanks - guess I can always fix the code ;-) |
| 20:35.22 | shadoknight | jgm: thanks for the report of success |
| 20:35.34 | jgm | CM: nope |
| 20:35.48 | jgm | (Now all I need to do is get it to pick up patches for new apps and I'll be happy...) |
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| 20:36.02 | jgm | jgm@desktop:~/om/openembedded/packages/linux/linux$ ls |
| 20:36.02 | jgm | acern30 alix at32stk1000 at91sam9263ek ep93xx kb9202 n2100 progear sarge-at91 simpad |
| 20:37.00 | CM | jgm: I get this error http://rafb.net/p/5TBUuR29.html |
| 20:37.18 | hozer | so if I get 'Enabling automatic fast charge' and it powers off, am I still getting a fast charge? |
| 20:37.20 | CM | Got the same this morning.. |
| 20:39.32 | jgm | Have you tried cleaning the package and rebuilding it? |
| 20:43.33 | speerschleuder | does somebody know the calling convention for gcc-arm? |
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| 20:44.13 | mdt | speerschleuder, c? |
| 20:44.23 | speerschleuder | yes |
| 20:44.51 | speerschleuder | I know, that the first 4 parameters are put into r0-r3 |
| 20:45.06 | speerschleuder | but how does it work with printf? |
| 20:45.20 | speerschleuder | or when there are more than 4 parameters? |
| 20:47.48 | C7 | shadoknight: yes i am using it.. but had to restart again on an other computer cause i didnt have enough space and rm_work seems to have a bug (2903 of 2542 tasks done by now) |
| 20:48.15 | shadoknight | oh, if rm_work has a bug, I'll remove that and start over |
| 20:48.19 | shadoknight | that could be my problem |
| 20:49.25 | speerschleuder | mdt, what i didn't get is how the parameters are 'pushed' onto the stack |
| 20:49.55 | mdt | backwords as typical in c ;) |
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| 20:50.49 | C7 | shadoknight: i dont think you'll have to restart |
| 20:51.10 | shadoknight | C7: I'll try not restarting first ;-) |
| 20:51.15 | C7 | shadoknight: the error i got was ERROR: Task /home/moko/openembedded/packages/dfu-util/dfu-util-native_svn.bb (do_rm_work) has circular dependency on /home/moko/openembedded/packages/ipkg/ipkg-native_0.99.163.bb (do_rm_work) |
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| 20:51.37 | shadoknight | ahh |
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| 20:51.42 | shadoknight | well, that wouldn't be my problem |
| 20:51.44 | shadoknight | but still... |
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| 20:52.17 | speerschleuder | mdt, so from right to left? |
| 20:53.06 | mdt | speerschleuder, as in c normal, yes |
| 20:53.59 | Kliment | hey looky that |
| 20:54.02 | Kliment | I got it to work |
| 20:54.03 | speerschleuder | the registers are also filled from right to left, or from left to rigth? |
| 20:54.09 | torpor | hi |
| 20:55.19 | pH5 | Kliment: how? |
| 20:55.59 | speerschleuder | hello pH5 |
| 20:56.09 | Kliment | physical reboot |
| 20:56.16 | Kliment | left battery out for a while |
| 20:56.18 | pH5 | n'abend speerschleuder |
| 20:56.30 | Kliment | didn't try anything with gsmd until I had restarted it |
| 20:57.00 | Kliment | now I can register with libgsmd-tool |
| 20:58.56 | Kliment | and answer a call |
| 20:59.17 | mdt | Kliment, can u do make more than one call? can u terminate the tool and start it again? |
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| 20:59.58 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Group_Order]] [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] |
| 21:04.02 | Kliment | mdt: three calls so far |
| 21:04.19 | Kliment | and a slight poke at the handset state and it actually sounds ok |
| 21:04.40 | mdt | Kliment, :) does gsmd startup ok? |
| 21:04.50 | Kliment | mdt: no |
| 21:04.57 | Kliment | mdt: I had to start it manually |
| 21:05.11 | mdt | .....same for me ;) |
| 21:05.17 | Kliment | mdt: this is on latest 2007.2 btw |
| 21:05.20 | mdt | but mine crashes sometime |
| 21:05.36 | mdt | it says 'modem dead'... |
| 21:05.49 | stefan_schmidt | Time for bed. Night all. |
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| 21:07.25 | mdt | have fun, stefan_schmidt |
| 21:08.35 | Kliment | ok, answering calls from gui works, dialing from gui doesn't |
| 21:08.43 | Kliment | will play with this some more |
| 21:08.45 | mdt | Kliment, strange - did you look into /tmp/gsmd.log? what's going on there? |
| 21:08.49 | Kliment | now I have to go |
| 21:08.55 | mdt | ...okay |
| 21:09.02 | Kliment | mdt: ** (openmoko-dialer:1434): CRITICAL **: dbus_g_proxy_call: assertion `!DBUS_G_PROXY_DESTROYED (proxy)' failed |
| 21:09.11 | Kliment | mdt: this is what the dialer tells me |
| 21:09.48 | mdt | Kliment, hm.... |
| 21:09.56 | Kliment | but now off |
| 21:10.00 | Kliment | back in a while |
| 21:10.02 | mdt | Kliment, ..thnx |
| 21:10.35 | shadoknight | anyone here know if FIC is still on track for GTA02 by October-ish? |
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| 21:12.28 | SpeedEvil | shadoknight: No. |
| 21:13.48 | shadoknight | :) |
| 21:13.55 | shadoknight | speedevil: fair enough. |
| 21:14.13 | don-o | SpeedEvil: do you have any supporting evidence? |
| 21:14.30 | don-o | shadoknight: im just going by the accuracy of the P1 release estimates |
| 21:14.33 | shadoknight | speedevil: I guess I should ask - is that 'no they're not on track' or 'no one here knows' |
| 21:14.50 | shadoknight | don-o: I haven't been following long enough to know how far off they were on those. |
| 21:15.10 | don-o | shadoknight: the first estimates i saw were january 07. |
| 21:15.14 | shadoknight | ahh |
| 21:15.16 | shadoknight | six months |
| 21:15.18 | shadoknight | not bad, actually |
| 21:15.19 | shadoknight | :) |
| 21:15.36 | don-o | shadoknight: i would expect P2 would be better, but not by much. |
| 21:15.46 | shadoknight | heh |
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| 21:16.14 | shadoknight | I really want one to play with, but the specs on the GTA02 are so much better than the 1B, and for $500, well... |
| 21:16.23 | shadoknight | I can always do my software development with qemu, right? |
| 21:16.26 | don-o | shadoknight: i can say that mickey has made reference to having beta P2 hardware |
| 21:16.36 | shadoknight | cool :) |
| 21:18.14 | don-o | shadoknight: i havent used the emulator much except to build it once |
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| 21:19.05 | shadoknight | (if I can get it built, even...) |
| 21:19.07 | shadoknight | :) |
| 21:19.12 | ferric | evening! |
| 21:19.13 | shadoknight | I'm sure it'll be fine to start with |
| 21:19.31 | don-o | shadoknight: it took 8 hours to build but it was satisfying to see it run! |
| 21:19.41 | ferric | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1#Before_you_start <- is that still accurate? |
| 21:19.43 | shadoknight | heh |
| 21:19.56 | shadoknight | don-o: ran into a compile problem in the gsm stuff using the older MokoMakefile |
| 21:20.11 | shadoknight | so just an hour ago or so I gave up and started over with the 2007.2 MokoMakefile |
| 21:20.44 | hads | ferric: Yes AFAIK |
| 21:20.54 | ferric | hads: sweet, thank you. |
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| 21:57.38 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:57.55 | Stephmw | heya |
| 21:58.10 | Stephmw | thanks for mokomakefile :) |
| 21:58.28 | DukeOfURL | :-) |
| 21:58.57 | jseghers | has anyone written a tutorial on how to use Eclipse with the Debug Board? |
| 21:58.59 | rwhitby | Stephmw: you're welcome. |
| 21:59.44 | rwhitby | and for those who are cursed with the circular dependency problem, you'll be glad to know I see it too. |
| 22:00.09 | borg_ | are all the glibc locales needed at the currently state of the project? |
| 22:00.23 | Stephmw | rwhitby: now, can you get it to sit on its hind legs, bark MOKO in morsecode and integrate the kitchen sink? |
| 22:00.27 | borg_ | the compiling of them takes hours |
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| 22:04.24 | rwhitby | the simple fix for the circular dependency problem is to comment the rm_work out of your local.conf, but then your disk space blows out. Anyway, RP is aware of the problem, so it should be fixed soonish (i.e. it seems to be a thorny one, so it might not be an easy fix) |
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| 22:13.32 | rwhitby | XorA|gone: instead of blindly assuming that MokoMakefile is somehow messing with the openembedded checkout, it would have been more mature to suggest the user runs 'mtn head; mtn status; mtn list unknown; mtn list missing' to verifiably confirm or deny your rash assertion. |
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| 22:14.00 | rwhitby | XorA|gone: or were you just in a bad mood for some other reason and took it out on the user here? |
| 22:15.38 | anrp | when did that conversation happen? |
| 22:16.50 | rwhitby | about 7 hours ago |
| 22:18.30 | rwhitby | http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko.txt, Aug 17 15:38:51 |
| 22:19.59 | rwhitby | admittedly, ScaredyCat's words about the state of the build process (which XorA|gone would have taken as disparaging remarks about OE) would have been a contributing factor to the reaction. |
| 22:20.25 | speerschleuder | pH5, i have a question |
| 22:20.48 | rwhitby | but three simple commands would have confirmed or denied the assertion without people needing to put forward opinions instead of facts. |
| 22:20.58 | speerschleuder | pH5, what does 1a794 do? |
| 22:21.28 | anrp | not everyone knows how to use source control (the heretics :-) |
| 22:21.53 | anrp | i have no clue about git, for instance, but i know cvs/svn |
| 22:22.37 | anrp | if I had Clue(tm) about git, i could get u-boot built |
| 22:22.51 | anrp | but I'm busy... so I don't |
| 22:23.00 | rwhitby | yeah, but I *know* that XorA|gone knows how to use those three commands :-) |
| 22:23.33 | rwhitby | and he's usually quite pleasant to users, so I have to assume it was just a bad day. |
| 22:23.43 | rwhitby | (we all have those) |
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| 22:44.14 | W00tomgbb | Can anyone point me to some pretty recent and probably working 2007.2 binaries? |
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| 22:57.35 | jseghers | Has anyone written a tutorial on how to use Eclipse with JTAG and the Debug board? |
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| 22:59.38 | RP | rwhitby: I think I've found the circular dependency problem. |
| 23:00.09 | RP | rwhitby: I understand the taskdata/runqueue code better after some wine :/ |
| 23:00.18 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Introduction]] [[User:Gilesjuk]] [[Carriers/Rogers]] [[Carriers]] |
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| 23:46.45 | cesarb | Could someone help me understand what's happening with my shipment? |
| 23:46.54 | cesarb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.02 | cesarb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:47.09 | cesarb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:47.25 | anrp | you gotta pay customs tax |
| 23:47.29 | SpeedEvil | Yep. |
| 23:47.32 | anrp | go to the local ups office and cough it up |
| 23:47.35 | cesarb | But note, I had my cell on me all the time, and I didn't receive any call at all |
| 23:47.43 | anrp | then they had the wrong number |
| 23:47.50 | ckuethe | no, they're lazy bastards |
| 23:47.51 | SpeedEvil | Or they are just being evil. |
| 23:47.53 | cesarb | And also, it's still at São Paulo, while here is Niterói |
| 23:48.42 | doc|work | did not have funds means sounds like it means they actually met you and you had no cash on you |
| 23:49.15 | RP | Anyone seeing the circular dependency errors should upgrade to get the changes I just added to the bitbake 1.8 branch |
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| 23:50.58 | cesarb | doc|work: exactly, that's why I'm so confused... How can they meet me here in Niterói (or in Rio de Janeiro where I work) if the package is still at São Paulo? |
| 23:51.02 | anrp | (); |
| 23:51.21 | anrp | maybe that's the ups depot for the area... |
| 23:52.54 | cesarb | anrp: São Paulo is in a whole different state |
| 23:53.07 | cesarb | anrp: it's like several hours by bus |
| 23:53.34 | cesarb | anrp: and a few hours by plane |
| 23:53.43 | anrp | still, it's an american company, so the international presence may not be significant |
| 23:54.52 | doc|work | anrp: I'd ring them |
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