| 00:00.12 | jaebird | rtyler: any chance you can update the Mono section of the wiki about how to get it on the neo/openmoko? |
| 00:00.47 | rtyler | jaebird: heh, howdy! I've got to do some more hacking in terms of getting more frameworks properly built. |
| 00:01.10 | rtyler | It was also only the 1.0 profile, haven't gotten gmcs and crew cooperating just yet (thus no blog post) |
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| 00:01.21 | rtyler | rwhitby: how often are your builds up? |
| 00:01.23 | jaebird | rtyler: cool. |
| 00:01.47 | rwhitby | rtyler: builder starts every 15 minutes unless the previous build has not finished. |
| 00:01.48 | rtyler | I realized just how much of my code was compiled against the .NET 2.0 profile yesterday when testing this >_< |
| 00:01.50 | jaebird | my idea is to do a rewrite of the gmail app i have on my phone in c#, but use the jabber gtalk protocol for "push" email |
| 00:02.06 | rtyler | jaebird: interesting, Gtk# or SWF? :P |
| 00:02.06 | rwhitby | (it has lots of other stuff to do in addition to OM2007.2) |
| 00:02.19 | rtyler | rwhitby: has 2007.2 been more or less stable for you? |
| 00:02.22 | jaebird | something that will eventually run on the neo...so gtk# with openmoko# |
| 00:02.41 | rwhitby | rtyler: build logs are at http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/buildlogs/autobuild-nudi-last.txt and have dates |
| 00:03.07 | jaebird | we will need to wrap the openmoko whenever the api settles in, to make it look like a native openmoko app |
| 00:03.16 | rwhitby | rtyler: must admit I have not been using 2007.2 much, since don't have an EABI gllin yet. |
| 00:03.39 | rtyler | jaebird: I was asking miguel about getting some .NET CF compatibility in Mono, and using OpenMoko as the test bed |
| 00:03.43 | cesarb | rwhitby: can't you just use a chroot with a OABI glibc, since the kernel has OABI compat? |
| 00:03.43 | rtyler | you should get on that ;) |
| 00:04.06 | orzo | well |
| 00:04.08 | rwhitby | cesarb: yeah, if I was motivated enough I could :-) |
| 00:04.09 | jaebird | rtyler: yes definitely |
| 00:04.10 | orzo | i guess i didnt charge it up all the way |
| 00:04.16 | orzo | it's at 60% according to apm |
| 00:04.20 | orzo | what's that really? |
| 00:04.31 | rtyler | jaebird: get to writing unit tests kthxbai :D |
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| 00:04.53 | jaebird | :) |
| 00:04.53 | orzo | is it alright to cut short the 2 hour fast charge? |
| 00:05.01 | cesarb | ~xkcd |
| 00:05.12 | cesarb | apt: xkcd is http://xkcd.com/281/ |
| 00:05.12 | apt | okay, cesarb |
| 00:05.15 | cesarb | ~xkcd |
| 00:05.16 | apt | it has been said that xkcd is http://xkcd.com/281/ |
| 00:05.35 | jaebird | rtyler: the question is whether CF is worth it, now that embedded devices have accelerated so far |
| 00:05.38 | orzo | it's been quite flakey lately, going into this mode where it blanks itself out even though apm says it has charge |
| 00:05.52 | orzo | is there a way to avoid that? |
| 00:06.08 | jaebird | mono on the maemo platform has just broken up the platform into smaller chunks |
| 00:06.19 | sagacis | cesarb, I thought about that cartoon when I was waiting, too |
| 00:06.26 | SpeedEvil | 60% is probably really 30% |
| 00:06.38 | jaebird | with gtk#, it is already embeddable |
| 00:06.41 | rtyler | jaebird: why wouldn't it be worth it? I had to start putting my Mono binaries on the CF card just because I was running out of space on the rootfs :P |
| 00:07.36 | jaebird | rtyler: oh, well in that case it might be :) |
| 00:07.55 | jaebird | i installed the whole thing on my N800, iirc |
| 00:10.48 | orzo | How do i turn down the backlight? |
| 00:11.04 | rtyler | smash the device down on the table |
| 00:11.21 | sagacis | echo 2600 > /sys/class/backlight/gta01-bl/brightness |
| 00:11.30 | sagacis | or another number. |
| 00:11.59 | sagacis | Actually, the phrase "remove the cover and take out the battery" answers nearly ALL questions about using the neo right now.... |
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| 00:13.04 | rtyler | sagacis: so wait, how do I get sound to work? ;;) |
| 00:13.15 | rtyler | omfg four eyez |
| 00:13.28 | sagacis | heh |
| 00:14.19 | juri_ | rtyler: remove the cover, take out the battery, and bang your head into the table. if you don't hear a ringing sound, repeat. |
| 00:14.34 | rtyler | heh |
| 00:16.03 | juri_ | (we don't have all the bugs in this procedure worked out yet) |
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| 00:19.44 | orospakr | Hey, how can I tell MasterMakefile to take advantage of my dual core? |
| 00:20.02 | orospakr | make -j2 openmoko-image? |
| 00:20.13 | rtyler | orospakr: you can try that? :/ |
| 00:20.17 | rtyler | I hadn;t thought about it yet |
| 00:20.31 | sagacis | Maybe I'd go twice as fast..... |
| 00:20.36 | orospakr | rtyler: heh, are you the MasterMakefile guy? |
| 00:20.43 | sagacis | I should abort the build and see if it's done by bedtime |
| 00:20.50 | rtyler | thankfully not, that shit's convenient, but scary :P |
| 00:20.58 | orospakr | yeah, I read the makefile. |
| 00:21.01 | orospakr | yeeg. |
| 00:21.10 | orospakr | I wish openembedded was a little saner. |
| 00:21.14 | rtyler | trying just a `make -j4` |
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| 00:21.43 | daMaestro | grr i've still not gotten a om2007.2 build to go |
| 00:22.26 | orospakr | yuck! |
| 00:22.32 | orospakr | this thing downloads tarballs of monotone trees! |
| 00:22.41 | rtyler | heh |
| 00:22.45 | rtyler | they're necessary :) |
| 00:22.49 | orospakr | yeah, what is the non-disgusting way to do this? properly? :) |
| 00:23.49 | rwhitby | orospakr: since the OE SCM is monotone, how are you expecting to build an image without getting the monotone database? |
| 00:24.06 | orospakr | rhelmer: uh, by checkout stuff out of monotone trees directly? |
| 00:24.16 | orospakr | s/checkout/checking out/ |
| 00:24.26 | orospakr | wow, fail. :) |
| 00:24.29 | rwhitby | orospakr: downloading a tarball is *much* faster than a pull from scratch |
| 00:24.34 | cesarb | orospakr: isn't monotone a distributed SVM like git? |
| 00:24.40 | orospakr | I think so. |
| 00:24.49 | cesarb | orospakr: at least with git, you cannot checkout without downloading the whole database... |
| 00:25.02 | orospakr | cesarb: git has a fast server, though. |
| 00:25.26 | cesarb | orospakr: everything is fast with git ;-) it's the fastest of them all |
| 00:25.35 | rwhitby | orospakr: I'm not here to defend the use of monotone - that's OE's decision. But please read up on monotone before you make statements about how the Makefile should get the source code from the SCM. |
| 00:25.49 | cesarb | (except on windows, since windows is very slow on the operations git depends on) |
| 00:26.39 | cesarb | orospakr: you should someday compare the speed of the tarball download speed of the monotone database with its "update" step. updating is awfully SLOW. |
| 00:27.18 | orospakr | wow. I guess that's why Linus decided not ot use it. |
| 00:27.19 | cesarb | (in fact, it's the slowest step of all the large number of mokomakefile steps!) |
| 00:28.15 | cesarb | (I'm counting each download and each build as a separate step, btw) |
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| 00:29.26 | rwhitby | orospakr: BTW, your http://orospakr.is-a-geek.org/ site seems to be down. |
| 00:30.43 | rwhitby | orospakr: I'd be happy for OE to use git too. But I don't make the decisions about that. |
| 00:31.01 | rwhitby | (I just write the Makefile to make what OE has chosen a bit easier to use) |
| 00:31.28 | orospakr | whoa. |
| 00:31.29 | orospakr | weird. |
| 00:31.34 | orospakr | use orospakr.ca, anyway |
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| 00:35.57 | rtyler | GAK! somebody broke the tree methinks >_> |
| 00:36.00 | rtyler | NOTE: package libxosd-2.2.15+svn20070814-r4: task do_compile: failedERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 00:36.12 | rtyler | ugh, screen keeps fucking up line endings |
| 00:36.21 | rtyler | NOTE: package libxosd-2.2.15+svn20070814-r4: task do_compile: failed |
| 00:36.21 | rtyler | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 00:36.25 | rtyler | NOTE: package libxosd-2.2.15+svn20070814: failed |
| 00:36.32 | rtyler | :( |
| 00:36.36 | orospakr | grr, I fixed it. |
| 00:36.42 | orospakr | apache died for no reason. |
| 00:37.03 | daMaestro | http://dpaste.com/16771/ <-- icmoc4-native-4.3.0-r2 is failing to build |
| 00:38.28 | cesarb | rtyler: check the log on build/tmp/work/<something>/<package>/temp to see what exactly failed |
| 00:40.18 | daMaestro | so, is there anything else i can do with the makefile to try fixing this: make update && make openmoko-image |
| 00:40.19 | daMaestro | ? |
| 00:40.30 | daMaestro | i'm using the mastermakefile to build om2007.2 |
| 00:41.10 | rtyler | cesarb: trying again with out the -j flags ;) |
| 00:42.14 | daMaestro | http://dev.damaestro.us/log.do_compile.2490 is the actual log |
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| 00:46.53 | sagacis | daMaestro: You are a couple hours behind me, I think... |
| 00:47.17 | sagacis | I had to install libXext |
| 00:47.20 | sagacis | -dev |
| 00:47.50 | sagacis | That got me to 1766 and beyond |
| 00:48.25 | daMaestro | hmm... see now are you sure that the host is suppose to provide that lib? |
| 00:48.52 | daMaestro | i mean i did find what package provided that.. but i thought it was supposed to be provided by something built earlier in the process? |
| 00:48.54 | sagacis | It's needed for compiling something.... |
| 00:49.09 | freelock | Hello... How do I get past lsof, when building OM2007.2 with the nslu makefile? |
| 00:49.12 | daMaestro | ok, i'll add it |
| 00:49.15 | sagacis | Dunno. I did "apt-get libXext-dev" and i'm up and running |
| 00:49.15 | daMaestro | sagacis, what distro? |
| 00:49.21 | sagacis | ubuntu 7.04 |
| 00:49.26 | daMaestro | ahh debian derivative? |
| 00:49.27 | daMaestro | ah ok. |
| 00:49.31 | sagacis | yup |
| 00:49.46 | daMaestro | i need to add the package deps for fedora on the wiki (thank gawd yum logs) |
| 00:50.01 | sagacis | daMaestro: good idea |
| 00:50.07 | sagacis | freelock, you'll have to look at the logs. |
| 00:50.24 | sagacis | in the output of the build process, it says it failed at some point and the log is in.... |
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| 00:50.30 | daMaestro | well the ultimate plan is to just find out exactly what is needed and package almost a metapackage, with the makefile and a few patches |
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| 00:52.23 | sagacis | you notice the apt-get list on the wiki page? |
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| 00:53.23 | freelock | Ah, it's looking for an selinux.h |
| 00:53.44 | sagacis | freelock: What distro are you running? |
| 00:53.51 | freelock | Ubuntu 7.04 |
| 00:54.09 | sagacis | did you do the apt-get install from the wiki page? |
| 00:54.24 | freelock | I did several days ago... trying to find again to see if there's a new package added |
| 00:54.31 | sagacis | I added two |
| 00:54.38 | sagacis | You can just paste it in again. |
| 00:54.47 | sagacis | It'll just update any existing or say "nothing to do" |
| 00:55.09 | sagacis | But, I'm only 1/2-way through |
| 00:55.30 | freelock | 0 to install |
| 00:55.45 | sagacis | good. What build task are you on? |
| 00:56.08 | daMaestro | om2007.2 has a lot more deps then just om2007 |
| 00:56.23 | freelock | 3406 of 3522 |
| 00:56.39 | freelock | do_compile in package lsof-4.78 |
| 00:56.41 | sagacis | freelock: you aare WAY ahead of me. If you find what you need....update the wiki |
| 00:56.50 | sagacis | post your log to pastebin.ca |
| 00:57.22 | daMaestro | yeah, i'm only at 1369 of 3522 |
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| 00:57.31 | sagacis | I'm at 1767 |
| 00:58.36 | freelock | http://pastebin.ca/656366 |
| 00:59.42 | freelock | I tried commenting lsof out of the task.bb that was trying to load it, and this got me all the way through all the tasks except for the very last one, building the rootfs |
| 00:59.58 | freelock | (this a couple days ago, been away from the computer for a while) |
| 01:01.09 | rwhitby | FYI, OM2007.2 builds on Debian Etch with the following packages installed: http://pastebin.ca/656369 - that's how the images at http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ are built. |
| 01:01.18 | daMaestro | freelock, apt-get install selinux-dev ? |
| 01:01.43 | frma | Anyone knows how one can bring up the virtual keyboard and/or stroke recognizer in 2007.2 ? |
| 01:01.49 | freelock | Just tried that (libselinux1-dev), already installed |
| 01:01.57 | daMaestro | libselinux1 ? |
| 01:02.01 | daMaestro | ahh gotcha |
| 01:03.37 | sagacis | frma, it's not in there |
| 01:03.57 | freelock | frma, sagacis, actually it is... |
| 01:04.02 | sagacis | oh, sorry |
| 01:04.11 | freelock | run the input manager, and you'll get the white box |
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| 01:04.22 | sagacis | rwhitby: that's helpful, thanks. |
| 01:04.28 | sagacis | Oh, right! |
| 01:04.33 | sagacis | I forgot. |
| 01:04.52 | rwhitby | Note that's not a minimal set - that machine was upgraded from Sarge and has been used for building lots of different stuff. |
| 01:05.00 | frma | sagacis: Works, thanks ! |
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| 01:06.10 | sagacis | frma, don't thank me. I steered you wrong.... |
| 01:06.15 | freelock | okay, I found /usr/include/selinux/selinux.h... anything I can set somewhere to make it search /usr/include? |
| 01:06.57 | zez_zez | some italian developer? |
| 01:06.57 | aloril | zez_zez: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 01:07.49 | frma | ok, thanks to freelock then... my misstake ;) |
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| 01:11.19 | zez_zez | or better, I'm looking for the contact of some italian developer, i'm heppy to invite someone at the linuxday in modena |
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| 01:16.44 | sagacis | freelock, any progress? |
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| 01:17.07 | freelock | No, not yet... I found the include in the source code, not sure why it's not finding the .h file... |
| 01:17.24 | orospakr | man, building is really not nice right now. |
| 01:19.06 | cesarb | freelock: it's not supposed to look at /usr/include ever |
| 01:19.14 | cesarb | freelock: last time it did, it broke my build |
| 01:19.19 | freelock | Okay... |
| 01:19.47 | cesarb | freelock: it will always look at the staging directory, where it was put by another package |
| 01:20.17 | freelock | I just found a build log on buildhost.openmoko.org that passes a --disable-selinux switch to the config somewhere... |
| 01:20.44 | freelock | s/disable-selinux/without-selinux/ |
| 01:20.51 | sagacis | That would make sense, since we don't need selinux |
| 01:21.35 | freelock | ... looks like that's while it's building glibc |
| 01:22.13 | freelock | ...so how do I get it to tell lsof it doesn't need selinux--that's the question... |
| 01:22.22 | rwhitby | orospakr: suggestions on making it better? (apart from switching to git) |
| 01:22.25 | sagacis | ./fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/kernel/include/linux/selinux.h |
| 01:22.29 | sagacis | It should be there.... |
| 01:23.17 | sagacis | boy, qt4 takes a looong time to compile |
| 01:28.56 | freelock | okay, I found it in openmoko/tmp/work... and that path... |
| 01:29.03 | orospakr | rwhitby: use an SCM that isn't so ridiculously slow as to require upstream to make tarballs?> |
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| 01:29.20 | freelock | if that's where it's supposed to be, then it's looking like an invalid include path in the source file... |
| 01:29.25 | orospakr | I mean, seriously, it means I have to wait for tarballs to get made nightly or whatever to get updates. |
| 01:29.30 | rwhitby | orospakr: yep, you'll need to petition the core team for that one ... |
| 01:29.33 | orospakr | what's the point of having a VCS in the first place at that point? |
| 01:29.50 | rwhitby | orospakr: no, you're misunderstanding the process. |
| 01:29.56 | rwhitby | only the initial checkout is from tarballs. |
| 01:30.01 | orospakr | oh! |
| 01:30.02 | orospakr | OK. |
| 01:30.05 | rwhitby | after that it's just a mtn pull of changes |
| 01:30.06 | orospakr | well, that's not so bad. |
| 01:30.34 | orospakr | still, git was made for a reason. |
| 01:30.46 | rwhitby | (the mtn pull is still slow, but it's tens of seconds rather than minutes) |
| 01:31.07 | cesarb | rwhitby: tens of seconds? |
| 01:31.19 | cesarb | rwhitby: the mtn pull takes tens of _minutes_ here |
| 01:31.29 | cesarb | rwhitby: and the first one takes _hours_ |
| 01:31.52 | rwhitby | orospakr: the history is that git wasn't around in a useable form when OE made the decision to move to monotone. |
| 01:31.59 | cesarb | rwhitby: it seems to be round-tripping to the server for every single changeset, and I am probably far enough from the server for it to make an insane amount of difference |
| 01:33.30 | rwhitby | cesarb: depends on how often you sync I guess |
| 01:33.39 | rwhitby | 26 seconds here for a pull |
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| 01:34.05 | rwhitby | and I've got a ping rtt of 800ms |
| 01:34.32 | rwhitby | anyway, as I said, I'm not here to defend monotone. |
| 01:36.50 | rwhitby | the place to petition replacing monotone with git for OE is on the oe-devel mailing list, not here. |
| 01:39.41 | freelock | Okay... I tried commenting out the include, and the compile went further--but failed. It looks like a bunch of files here are getting compiled with -DHASSELINUX. |
| 01:40.20 | freelock | I'm not finding an selinux/selinux.h file anywhere in my build tree, though I do find selinux.h about 7 or 8 times in various packages... |
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| 01:44.32 | freelock | How would I get an openembedded selinux package, or better, tell it to compile the lsof package --without-selinux? |
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| 01:49.50 | shacka1 | lol, HASSELINUX is german for HATELINUX |
| 01:52.56 | sagacis | freelock, I fear catching up with you..... |
| 01:53.02 | sagacis | I have no answers yet. |
| 01:53.16 | sagacis | In fact, I'm still building qt4 |
| 01:53.32 | freelock | Yeah, I remember that taking a *long* time |
| 01:53.54 | daMaestro | well.. it sure sounds like i'm off to get a latte |
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| 02:03.51 | sagacis | Wow, suddenly, I'm 100 tasks down the road |
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| 02:04.59 | rtyler | sagacis: 100 tasks down the road? |
| 02:05.14 | rtyler | as in bugzilla bugs? |
| 02:09.49 | SpeedEvil | I'm guessing build tasks |
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| 02:15.40 | sagacis | rtyler, nope. I'm building 2007.2 |
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| 02:48.07 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception |
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| 02:54.14 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[FAQ/de]] [[MacOS_X]] [[Neo1973:GTA01:Kernel]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Braunschweig]] [[Neo1973_Charging]] [[Wishlist:Games]] [[User_talk:HaraldWelte]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Calgary]] [[Manually_using_GSM]] and other changes |
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| 03:21.35 | daMaestro | how do i start the browser on om2007.2? |
| 03:21.50 | rtyler | close your eyes, tap your feet together and wish! |
| 03:22.07 | daMaestro | oh, is it not included/building? |
| 03:22.16 | rtyler | it should be, I'm just not sure :) |
| 03:22.35 | daMaestro | i thought it was dillo based, but i don't see any *dillo* |
| 03:22.42 | rtyler | gtkhtml |
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| 03:23.50 | daMaestro | damnit.. that sucks... the 20070808 build doesn't have it |
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| 03:35.27 | daMaestro | yeah, so i got the feed reader to go online |
| 03:35.33 | daMaestro | i really, really like the new scrolling |
| 03:35.43 | daMaestro | it actually works finger based, which is really good |
| 03:38.20 | sagacis | Cool! |
| 03:38.32 | sagacis | hey, I could use the feed reader for gmail, now that I think about it |
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| 03:44.56 | sagacis | goes the gsmd work in 2007.2? |
| 03:45.15 | sagacis | (only 1000 more tasks and my build is complete) |
| 03:45.43 | daMaestro | hmmm well i can get gsmd working if i manually restart it |
| 03:45.46 | daMaestro | but the dialer doesn't work |
| 03:45.55 | daMaestro | i'm still waiting on my om2007.2 build |
| 03:46.32 | sagacis | me too.... Were you using the feed reader on .2? |
| 03:47.02 | sagacis | I plan to put 2007.2 on the mmc card and boot it as an option. |
| 03:47.06 | sagacis | The best of both worlds. |
| 03:47.32 | daMaestro | sagacis, i'm at the failing of libxosd... how did you fix it? |
| 03:47.43 | daMaestro | yes, i was using the feed reader on 2007.2 |
| 03:47.43 | sagacis | I didn't |
| 03:47.53 | daMaestro | i was actually able to browse the web with it |
| 03:47.53 | sagacis | daMaestro: What task? |
| 03:48.00 | daMaestro | just following links from feeds ;-) |
| 03:48.09 | daMaestro | 3035 |
| 03:48.12 | sagacis | heh.... That's pretty funny! |
| 03:48.20 | sagacis | daMaestro: You've passed me! |
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| 03:48.33 | sagacis | are you running dual-core? |
| 03:48.54 | sagacis | daMaestro: I'm on 2519 |
| 03:49.03 | sagacis | 2521 |
| 03:49.09 | daMaestro | well... it is dual core, but i've only exported one cpu to the guest |
| 03:49.20 | daMaestro | so i can actually work while it is building ;-) |
| 03:49.33 | sagacis | me too....You must be faster |
| 03:49.54 | daMaestro | 3.2Ghz x86_64, with a gig of ram for the guest |
| 03:50.12 | daMaestro | i might move the om build system to a xen instance on a different machine, but right now i am using a kvm guest |
| 03:50.13 | sagacis | Ah.... 2.8 x86_32 |
| 03:50.38 | daMaestro | well, i'm running the guest 32bit because it was hinted that will work better |
| 03:51.03 | sagacis | It's amazing that you are going so much faster with only .4GHz (12%?) more |
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| 03:51.15 | sagacis | maybe HDD speeds |
| 03:51.38 | sagacis | did you find the prob? |
| 03:52.00 | sagacis | I'm propping my eyelids away to see any errors, but I'm going to have to hit the sack soon... |
| 03:52.10 | daMaestro | well, it is a flat file on a sata300 drive |
| 03:52.47 | sagacis | hmm... Shouldn't be that much faster.... Oh, well. Congrats on the speed |
| 03:52.59 | sagacis | maybe I'm just doing too much playing and tromping on the other core |
| 03:53.41 | sagacis | come to think of it, I also updated and build .1 since I started the .2 build |
| 03:53.54 | ciphercast222 | hey guys, anyone familiar with the debug board? |
| 03:54.02 | daMaestro | yeah, after seeing .2 i'm not going back to .1 ;-) |
| 03:54.21 | daMaestro | sagacis, someone was just here (about 2 hours ago) with the same failure |
| 03:54.28 | daMaestro | do you recall? (i can check my logs on my desktop if not) |
| 03:56.02 | sagacis | he didn't post an answer |
| 03:56.06 | sagacis | ciphercast222: not I |
| 03:56.06 | daMaestro | rtyler, ping |
| 03:56.14 | rtyler | anti-ping |
| 03:56.15 | daMaestro | rtyler, any luck with rtyler |
| 03:56.20 | daMaestro | oops |
| 03:56.24 | sagacis | heh.... |
| 03:56.32 | daMaestro | any luck with libxosd ? |
| 03:56.51 | sagacis | somebody had an selinux problem. never saw a solution |
| 03:57.07 | daMaestro | i've not gotten there |
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| 03:59.59 | rtyler | daMaestro: been working on my day job ;) |
| 04:01.02 | daMaestro | rtyler, ahh.. yeah i hear that |
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| 04:01.13 | daMaestro | that would be why none of my planned applications are started |
| 04:02.52 | sagacis | daMaestro: What's your logged error for libxosd? |
| 04:04.18 | daMaestro | from? |
| 04:04.32 | daMaestro | Aug 13 18:36:00 <rtyler> NOTE: package libxosd-2.2.15+svn20070814-r4: task do_compile: failedERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 04:04.33 | daMaestro | Aug 13 18:36:21 <rtyler> NOTE: package libxosd-2.2.15+svn20070814-r4: task do_compile: failed |
| 04:04.34 | daMaestro | Aug 13 18:36:25 <rtyler> NOTE: package libxosd-2.2.15+svn20070814: failed |
| 04:04.39 | daMaestro | mine is a patch failing to apply |
| 04:05.11 | daMaestro | ERROR: Task 3035 (/home/jon/OM2007.2/openmoko/openembedded/packages/libxosd/libxosd_svn.bb, do_patch) failed |
| 04:05.23 | daMaestro | |--- current.orig/src/Makefile.am 2007-06-14 09:06:04.000000000 +0000 |
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| 04:05.24 | daMaestro | |+++ current/src/Makefile.am 2007-06-14 09:14:37.000000000 +0000 |
| 04:05.42 | daMaestro | so it's just a patch for the Makefile (pre automake) that is failing to apply |
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| 04:09.04 | daMaestro | it's autofoo.patch that is failing to apply |
| 04:09.22 | sagacis | Can you paste the entire log to pastebin.ca? |
| 04:10.00 | sagacis | That's wierd |
| 04:10.35 | daMaestro | it's not giving me an entire log |
| 04:11.57 | daMaestro | http://dpaste.com/16783/ ... is part of the traceback |
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| 04:12.52 | daMaestro | does anyone know how i can "reset" the libxosd so it just downloads the source for it again and reruns all tasks for it? |
| 04:12.59 | daMaestro | i really don't want to start from step 1 again |
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| 04:16.46 | sagacis | i'm not much help. In fact, I'm too tired to even see. I'm outta here. 'nite |
| 04:17.00 | sagacis | I'll let you know tomorrow if I built. |
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| 04:21.03 | daMaestro | cool, cya |
| 04:21.10 | daMaestro | i think i'm outa here soon too |
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| 04:54.15 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Mintee]] [[P1_Owners]] |
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| 04:55.57 | ciphercast222 | any ideas why the neo would not turn on if power is available? |
| 04:56.14 | ciphercast222 | my battery is @ 3.29v, but I can't get the neo to turn on... |
| 04:56.56 | ckuethe | you've tried the oft-suggested technique of removing the battery for about 10s, and trying again? |
| 04:57.07 | ckuethe | s/battery/all sources of power/ |
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| 04:58.13 | ciphercast222 | I just got it to boot |
| 04:58.28 | ciphercast222 | (yay!) after two days dealing with dead batteries |
| 04:59.16 | ciphercast222 | for those who are interested, I was required to use my debug board to charge my batteries to a sufficient level to boot |
| 04:59.35 | blindcoder | moin |
| 05:00.04 | ciphercast222 | I guess the uboot revision I had for some reason would not charge the batteries when dead |
| 05:00.28 | ciphercast222 | so be careful, keep at least one battery charged |
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| 05:15.24 | xkr47 | ciphercast222, maybe add that along with your uboot version to the wiki somewhere ? |
| 05:16.07 | ciphercast222 | yeah, once I get all this sorted out |
| 05:16.13 | CM | ciphercast222: I don't have a spare battery or a debugboard, so now I'm getting nervous.. ;) |
| 05:17.40 | ciphercast222 | well, my problem is a mix of two things (i assume): non-original uboot revision and 2 dead batteries (because I left them in the neo while it was OFF, but I guess still kept draining power) |
| 05:17.59 | rwhitby | ciphercast222: did you take the battery out, wait for 10 seconds, put the battery back in (but do *not* try and turn it on), plug in usb to charge, wait for 20 minutes, then try and turn it on ? |
| 05:18.15 | ciphercast222 | yes |
| 05:18.38 | ciphercast222 | left the neo unplugged for a couple hours |
| 05:18.39 | rwhitby | did you try again, increasing the 20 minutes to overnight? |
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| 05:18.49 | rwhitby | unplugged? |
| 05:18.50 | ciphercast222 | that was last night :( |
| 05:19.00 | rwhitby | the 20 minutes is plugged in, but not turned on. |
| 05:19.01 | ciphercast222 | unplugged/no battery |
| 05:19.14 | rwhitby | that bit doesn't matter. 10 seconds is enough. |
| 05:19.39 | ciphercast222 | I understand, it wasn't intentional |
| 05:19.42 | rwhitby | the deciding factor is how long you leave it plugged into USB to charge, but without trying to turn it on after you put the battery back in. |
| 05:20.30 | rwhitby | did you do that bit for at least 20 minutes? |
| 05:21.06 | ciphercast222 | I first tried to give it a hour, then 4 hours, eventually then overnight; repeating the same process over and over (d/c all power, wait >10s, insert batt, insert usb, *leave alone*) |
| 05:21.43 | rwhitby | ok, then. weird. |
| 05:21.53 | ciphercast222 | believe me, I had plenty of time to read (and re-read) the wiki when the damn thing wasn't working |
| 05:21.59 | rwhitby | was the usb giving it 100mA? |
| 05:22.29 | ciphercast222 | I did not hook up a ammeter inline |
| 05:22.32 | rwhitby | (some usb hubs won't give downstream power unless the upstream host is turned on) |
| 05:23.08 | ciphercast222 | It was directly connected to my PC |
| 05:23.16 | rwhitby | and the PC was on? |
| 05:23.32 | ciphercast222 | correct |
| 05:23.44 | rwhitby | ok, that's the end of my dumb questions ;-) |
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| 05:24.10 | ciphercast222 | it's ok, I would prefer an actual solution to this problem |
| 05:24.33 | rwhitby | the weird thing is that I understand why it takes the 20 minutes left alone to come back alive. I can't think of any failure mode which would cause what you're seeing. |
| 05:25.05 | ciphercast222 | why the 20 minutes? |
| 05:25.38 | rwhitby | the battery has to get enough charge so that the phone can boot and get to the point where it switches to 500mA. |
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| 05:26.19 | ciphercast222 | oh, ok (I thought you were talking about something else) |
| 05:26.21 | rwhitby | if you don't leave it long enough, you get into a reset loop. |
| 05:26.38 | ciphercast222 | the initial unauthorized power is only 100mA |
| 05:26.45 | rwhitby | where just the display coming on is enough to suck all the charge out. |
| 05:26.58 | gcb77 | any way to charge the battery in some other way? |
| 05:27.18 | ciphercast222 | the phone actually has to boot for the PC to authorize the 500mA |
| 05:27.29 | rwhitby | ciphercast222: right. |
| 05:27.52 | rwhitby | that's why we have to let the battery charge up enough for the phone to be able to get to that point |
| 05:27.57 | ciphercast222 | gcb77: good question, the answer is yes, how is another story |
| 05:28.19 | ciphercast222 | rwhitby: right, my problem is that the phone was not charging |
| 05:28.21 | rwhitby | gcb77: apparently a third-party nokia battery charger will do it |
| 05:28.47 | rwhitby | ciphercast222: right - you have a unique (in my visibility of what people have been experiencing) situation |
| 05:29.19 | rwhitby | (which is why I asked all the dumb questions, to make absolutely sure it wasn't the normal battery charging problem) |
| 05:29.43 | ciphercast222 | I mean, as soon as I connected the debug board, I was fine in 30 minutes |
| 05:30.06 | ciphercast222 | right, I understand->normally the simplest solution |
| 05:33.17 | ciphercast222 | damn, I wish I knew exactly why this happened |
| 05:34.42 | ciphercast222 | see, now my phone will not boot again |
| 05:35.13 | ciphercast222 | batt ~3.26 |
| 05:35.14 | CM | ciphercast222: That sucks :-/ |
| 05:40.11 | ciphercast222 | bb in 20 minutes...guess why. |
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| 06:54.34 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Historybuff/notes]] [[Wishlist:Games]] [[Java]] |
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| 06:56.32 | linux_galore | ack@ java games |
| 06:57.01 | linux_galore | I want mame |
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| 06:57.47 | navaburo | linux_galore: i know the neo looks like a GP2X... |
| 06:58.38 | linux_galore | well Im thinking nick the emulator stuff from the GP2X and port it to the neo |
| 06:58.56 | navaburo | cirtainly... |
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| 06:59.13 | navaburo | i need a good hack/rogue/adom/nethack port before i will buy a neo ;) |
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| 07:00.42 | blindcoder | and how are you gonna do input? |
| 07:00.56 | blindcoder | that's the biggest problem with porting nethack to mobile devices |
| 07:00.57 | linux_galore | The OM and the GP2X people should talk to each other and make a merged product |
| 07:01.49 | linux_galore | blindcoder: USB |
| 07:01.59 | daMaestro | mame++ |
| 07:02.46 | linux_galore | the cool thing is most mame roms are low res anyway so will work fine on the OM |
| 07:03.26 | navaburo | right... |
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| 07:03.47 | linux_galore | need to find a portable USB controller though, hmmm stares at the Wii controler |
| 07:03.48 | navaburo | too bad we cant find the GP2X people |
| 07:03.49 | doc|home | but kind of pointless, you'll be able to run mame on the neo (albeit missing keys :) ) |
| 07:03.52 | navaburo | atleast i coldnt |
| 07:04.42 | doc|home | getting a core product working well is more important than getting a product which tries to be everything to everybody :/ |
| 07:04.55 | linux_galore | doc|home: your new to Linux huh |
| 07:05.10 | doc|home | linux_galore: *smack* not fast enough :) |
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| 07:05.37 | doc|home | in fairness, the desktop side of linux is only kicking in now, and that's only because one distro has really put the effort into being in that position |
| 07:05.47 | doc|home | the rest were all lacking in some way |
| 07:05.52 | navaburo | there is also something to be learnt from the PepperPC people |
| 07:06.06 | daMaestro | oh noes, doc|home is an ubuntu zeolot? |
| 07:06.07 | navaburo | i met them at some convention in NYC |
| 07:06.09 | daMaestro | LOL |
| 07:06.22 | linux_galore | doc|home: yeah, Ubuntu has really pushed the bar higher on the desktop |
| 07:06.35 | doc|home | daMaestro: I'm not, look at my hostmask, but it's the closest to a usable desktop for noobs that linux has been able to offer for years. |
| 07:07.05 | linux_galore | s/is/his/ |
| 07:07.27 | doc|home | you'r in a channel about an open source phone which can barely boot and you're going to try to get critical about gentoo? :) |
| 07:07.31 | doc|home | :) |
| 07:07.44 | daMaestro | i'm happy ubuntu exists, #fedora could never have enough resources to support completely new users that would like mice with one button ;-) |
| 07:08.00 | doc|home | daMaestro: fedora was up there, but still missing in many things. rpm sucked for way too long. |
| 07:08.06 | daMaestro | oh yea. |
| 07:08.13 | linux_galore | lets port emerge to the OM, nothing like waiting 6 months for the base system to compile |
| 07:08.24 | xkr47 | ;) |
| 07:08.29 | doc|home | I used apt4rpm on rh9 and loved it, but still got way too messy and was still lacking in the repo |
| 07:08.42 | xkr47 | linux_galore, while at it, why not run qemu on openmoko ;) |
| 07:08.55 | doc|home | linux_galore: someone in #gentoo asked if the neo could run gentoo yesterday :D |
| 07:09.10 | ciphercast222 | linux_galore: that's not even a joke... |
| 07:09.12 | linux_galore | xkr47: yeah, run qemu and host a WinCE session |
| 07:09.13 | CM | navaburo: I'm with you on the roguelikes! :D |
| 07:09.24 | doc|home | also http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/index.xml |
| 07:09.37 | doc|home | of course you don't build *on* the neo |
| 07:10.36 | linux_galore | or even more evil run qemu with OSX so you can run iPhone software |
| 07:10.40 | blindcoder | I really fail to see the point in running $foolinux on a device that wasn't designed for it |
| 07:10.46 | navaburo | ciphercast222: we should get hack running on your neo |
| 07:10.49 | doc|home | blindcoder: me too |
| 07:11.05 | doc|home | blindcoder: but it being a possibility is still nice, and the opensource way, right? |
| 07:11.30 | blindcoder | doc|home: and probably a waste of resources, too |
| 07:11.39 | blindcoder | sure it's nifty and all |
| 07:11.42 | blindcoder | but quite pointless |
| 07:11.55 | doc|home | blindcoder: that's an argument that lots of people have said about lots of things (kde vs gnome, emacs vs vi) |
| 07:11.58 | navaburo | blindcoder: but there is the interoperability... |
| 07:12.13 | linux_galore | actually it will be interesting in a year or two all the weird hacking that will show up on the OM platform |
| 07:12.13 | ciphercast222 | navaburo: agreed |
| 07:12.14 | navaburo | some say that putting linux on a phone is pointless.... too bloated |
| 07:12.17 | doc|home | and it's all FOSS, so the good can be merged from either side |
| 07:12.18 | blindcoder | navaburo: for interoperability you don't need to have the same distribution |
| 07:12.40 | navaburo | blindcoder: well the same package manager is just another level of interoperability |
| 07:12.45 | blindcoder | navaburo: or has gentoo patches in all its programs so that tehy only talk to other gentoo installations? |
| 07:13.06 | linux_galore | well you will know the OM has made it when some idiot ports Apache to it |
| 07:13.10 | navaburo | blindcoder: dont give them any ideas! |
| 07:13.41 | navaburo | linux_galore: Apache, no, but cirtiainly it can handle a light httpd |
| 07:13.49 | blindcoder | heh, package management is one of the most heated discussion anywhere |
| 07:13.49 | navaburo | an 8-bit PIC can do it! |
| 07:13.55 | ciphercast222 | navaburo: I think by the way OM is shaping up, it will be an excellent lightweight LIP |
| 07:14.03 | navaburo | LIP? |
| 07:14.07 | ciphercast222 | linux-in-pocket |
| 07:14.14 | linux_galore | navaburo: Ive seen devices with less grunt than the OM run apache |
| 07:14.15 | blindcoder | I prefer the package management of my distribution over yours, but that's besides the point ;) |
| 07:14.24 | doc|home | personally I see no reason why there shouldn't be different projects doing the same thing. It's evolution and competition in action. |
| 07:14.31 | navaburo | linux_galore: but did they realy grunt when they did? |
| 07:15.10 | ciphercast222 | nothing beats the 8-bit PIC with a hard-coded assembler "webserver" that fits on a quarter |
| 07:15.11 | navaburo | doc|home: yes, no problem with that as long as they document |
| 07:15.12 | linux_galore | navaburo: you can cut out allot of the stuff out of apache for a simple html page server |
| 07:15.25 | doc|home | navaburo: yeah, of course, same for any dev project though |
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| 07:16.15 | linux_galore | there are though a few lightweight http servers already so apache would be over kill, thats why I said "some idiot" |
| 07:16.21 | rwhitby | linux_galore: OM can already run Apache. |
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| 07:16.57 | rwhitby | and lighttpd, and many other lightweight http servers |
| 07:17.04 | linux_galore | rwhitby: yes but has anyone actually done it on the hand held |
| 07:17.18 | doc|home | man, 10 years ago a 400mhz server was great for apache |
| 07:17.29 | doc|home | why should it be any different on a phone |
| 07:17.35 | linux_galore | doc|home: I ran Apache on a 486-66 |
| 07:17.38 | rwhitby | sure - 'make package-apache2' will build the ipk's for you |
| 07:17.40 | doc|home | linux_galore: exactly |
| 07:18.02 | doc|home | although I'm guessing the code has changed a lot more since that time than ten years ago :) |
| 07:18.07 | doc|home | more bloated |
| 07:18.08 | rwhitby | sorry, 'make build-package-apache2' |
| 07:18.14 | mellon_ | Hm, so you could what, serve apache to your local bluetooth PAN? |
| 07:18.24 | linux_galore | yeah well apache is huge now ie php and java and xml stuff |
| 07:18.24 | doc|home | mellon_: ad-hoc wifi |
| 07:18.29 | rwhitby | sure, and your local LAN when you're attached by USB |
| 07:18.34 | doc|home | such as there was a LUG bbq here on saturday |
| 07:18.37 | navaburo | take out everything but wait on connect, then send <html>hello world</html>. done |
| 07:18.45 | mellon_ | Hm. I suppose it might make a fun management API... |
| 07:18.53 | navaburo | doc|home: what state? |
| 07:18.56 | ciphercast222 | I can't wait until this phones gets a couple more kinks worked out |
| 07:18.57 | mellon_ | God help you when someone hacks your server and starts making international phone calls, though... :') |
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| 07:19.03 | doc|home | linux_galore: none of those are required for apache |
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| 07:19.16 | navaburo | ciphercast222: which kinks? |
| 07:19.23 | doc|home | navaburo: vancouver, didn't go myself, but there was mention of an openmoko there :) |
| 07:19.28 | doc|home | (on the mailing list) |
| 07:19.33 | doc|home | a demo |
| 07:19.35 | rwhitby | I dunno why people downplay bluetooth access points so much. I set up one at home and one at work for my Treo 650, and use it all the time |
| 07:19.40 | navaburo | ciphercast222: the one where i still havent gotten a call from you on it??? |
| 07:19.54 | rwhitby | (across multiple floors of the building, and across the length of my house) |
| 07:20.02 | doc|home | nice |
| 07:20.07 | navaburo | rwhitby: what is it, like a wifi AP? just for BT? |
| 07:20.12 | rwhitby | sure |
| 07:20.21 | ciphercast222 | navaburo: uuh, stable alsa support, stable gsmd, stable power management |
| 07:20.23 | linux_galore | pfft I dont need a backup data centre, I have samba/apache/ftp running on my OM, heh |
| 07:20.28 | doc|home | heh |
| 07:20.37 | rwhitby | all you need is an NSLU2 and a class 1 USB BT adapter\ |
| 07:20.39 | ciphercast222 | and dont forget asterisk! |
| 07:20.48 | mellon_ | they're kind of hard to come by compared to WiFi, and also more expensive, and not much range. |
| 07:20.53 | daMaestro | just get a prepay plan that has unlimited mobile <-> mobile |
| 07:20.55 | mellon_ | If you live in a wood house, they're probably okay. |
| 07:21.11 | rwhitby | mellon_: nslu2 + 100m usb dongle |
| 07:21.24 | rwhitby | (which equates to 30m in reality) |
| 07:21.45 | mellon_ | that's great for the AP, but don't you still need a stronger transmitter on the wireless device? |
| 07:21.47 | rwhitby | or any other router with a usb port running slugos or angstrom or openwrt or optware ... |
| 07:21.57 | Placid | mornin' |
| 07:21.59 | navaburo | daMaestro: they exist? how wonderful! |
| 07:22.11 | navaburo | thats free phone service... |
| 07:22.20 | ciphercast222 | yeah, so did I |
| 07:22.36 | ciphercast222 | problem is no one else I know has tmobile... |
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| 07:22.46 | rwhitby | mellon_: have you tried it - I'm giving you emprical measurements, not marketing blurbs |
| 07:22.50 | ciphercast222 | navaburo: did I mention i hate verizon? |
| 07:23.00 | navaburo | there must be an expiration on the prepayed card witht the mobile-to-mobile, plus a minimum payment |
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| 07:23.23 | mellon_ | Not with a 100m dongle. With my regular bt, audio starts to die out in the very next room, little say across the house. |
| 07:23.24 | linux_galore | Im trying to think how the Telco's will view the OM in a few years when its basically a full blown multi core server in your hand |
| 07:23.45 | ciphercast222 | navaburo: you buy refill cards with a certain amt of minutes |
| 07:23.59 | ciphercast222 | the minutes expire after certain intervals |
| 07:24.17 | linux_galore | well Im off home |
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| 07:24.45 | ciphercast222 | navaburo: ie. buy a sim card with 10 minutes, buy $100 refill card that has 1000 minutes, doesn't expire for 1 yr |
| 07:25.37 | rwhitby | (like I currently do on the home gateway router) |
| 07:25.49 | ciphercast222 | I have to give credit to FIC for designing this phone openly |
| 07:27.11 | ciphercast222 | when I was having battery problems the last two days, there's nothing like a fresh wiki and ML loaded with debug information, on top of having a debug board and of course the guitar pic |
| 07:30.31 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: ae you chatting an not conveting mokomakfile?1 |
| 07:31.07 | ScaredyCat | I've never seen a bt access point.. |
| 07:31.59 | Obri | anyone tested the Nokia SU-8W Bluetooth Keyboard with OpenMoko? |
| 07:32.24 | doc|home | http://www.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/news.asp?symb=SCOX :) |
| 07:32.28 | doc|home | slightly off-topic |
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| 07:34.23 | daMaestro | navaburo, ;-) |
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| 07:35.52 | Dmitry_Platonov | doc|home, http://finance.google.com/finance?q=scox |
| 07:36.10 | doc|home | yep :) |
| 07:36.32 | doc|home | it's a good day, SCO's share price fell through the floor, Karl Rove resigned |
| 07:36.39 | doc|home | night :) |
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| 07:37.03 | ScaredyCat | scohehehe |
| 07:37.21 | ScaredyCat | you just need that last guy to resign now... |
| 07:38.23 | Xx13 | just got lucky there was a judge with some sense |
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| 07:44.25 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: when mickey|dinner announces OM2007.2 is live, then you can hassle me about converting mokomakefile |
| 07:44.40 | ScaredyCat | he said earlier aout 19th |
| 07:45.05 | rwhitby | yep, so I've plenty of time ... |
| 07:45.17 | rwhitby | and I've even given you a master makefile for the interim. |
| 07:45.17 | ScaredyCat | iirc it was ' rwhitby get your finger out and get mokomakefile sorted you lazy mofo' |
| 07:45.20 | ScaredyCat | exact words iirc |
| 07:45.22 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 07:45.32 | rwhitby | yeah, mickey|dinner always talks like that. right. |
| 07:45.51 | ScaredyCat | that master makefile explodes on my builder |
| 07:48.33 | ScaredyCat | .. and I remember asking you about it... you claimed you knew nothing of mokomakefile... |
| 07:48.46 | ScaredyCat | you are a meanie |
| 07:51.38 | cheriff | how fast is sending stuff over usb using dfu ? |
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| 07:59.47 | ScaredyCat | slow |
| 08:00.13 | ScaredyCat | for rootfs about it's painful |
| 08:00.22 | ScaredyCat | s/about// |
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| 08:10.21 | cheriff | does apt complete regexes? |
| 08:10.26 | cheriff | s/apt/the bot/ |
| 08:10.30 | cheriff | hehe |
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| 08:37.30 | pvanhoof | mickey|dinner, ping |
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| 08:46.55 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: Chinese input for OpenMoko |
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| 08:54.35 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] |
| 08:55.29 | ScaredyCat | wTf |
| 09:00.52 | Stephmw | howdy |
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| 09:24.02 | mellon_ | Wow, the 2007.2 build seems a lot cleaner than the old build. |
| 09:24.14 | mellon_ | knock wood, I guess. |
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| 09:38.30 | Dmitry_Platonov | somebody managed to tell mrxvt use smaller font? |
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| 09:43.36 | ruoso | Dmitry_Platonov, I think mine sometimes is smaller |
| 09:45.10 | ruoso | or maybe it was in the other version I teste |
| 09:45.11 | ruoso | d |
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| 10:02.14 | ScaredyCat | smaller font?! |
| 10:02.17 | ScaredyCat | it's tiny |
| 10:02.42 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. My Nokia phone seems to be dying, and I'm thinking about replacing it with a Neo1973 |
| 10:02.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is it usable, stable etc.. yet? |
| 10:02.51 | aloril | Dark_Apostrophe: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 10:03.16 | aloril | Dark_Apostrophe: not yet really |
| 10:03.19 | Dmitry_Platonov | in 2007.2, mrxvt is used, and it's font is huge |
| 10:03.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | When do you think it should be (rough estimate) |
| 10:03.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | ? |
| 10:03.55 | aloril | people have made calls with it already though |
| 10:04.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | That's good, I suppose |
| 10:04.31 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_will_it_do.3F |
| 10:04.32 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Developer_preview |
| 10:05.02 | aloril | power management is not there, so except something like 4h (not sure if this is right number, could be 2-3h only) |
| 10:06.12 | Dark_Apostrophe | Damn |
| 10:06.14 | aloril | Dark_Apostrophe: hard to estimate when it would be usable ;-) |
| 10:06.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Let's hope my nokia lasts a few months more |
| 10:06.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, KDE made a rough estimate that their second beta would be during summer ;) |
| 10:06.35 | aloril | depends on what you mean, for example recording gps tracks its hopefully usable now |
| 10:06.50 | aloril | (just some hours ago found certain not * . tar file ;-) |
| 10:06.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't need a date/time, but maybe season/year |
| 10:07.13 | aloril | well, consumer version is supposed to be out October, so ... |
| 10:07.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Cool |
| 10:07.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Will it have a lower price? (please say yes ;)) |
| 10:07.44 | aloril | though I doubt that date, but late this year or early next year it could very well do basic phone/gprs/etc.. stuff |
| 10:07.54 | aloril | faq |
| 10:07.54 | aloril | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) |
| 10:07.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 10:08.15 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, thanks :) |
| 10:08.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | Good luck with your project, and adios. :) |
| 10:08.39 | aloril | above has links to what is different in this and GTA02 version, price, etc.. |
| 10:09.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, thanks. And bye. (g2g) |
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| 10:19.54 | J-23 | Hello! |
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| 10:23.32 | aloril | hi J-23 |
| 10:26.31 | xkr47 | \o |
| 10:28.15 | J-23 | hmm... |
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| 10:32.56 | lukhas_nowhere | hello |
| 10:33.25 | lukhas_nowhere | just a quick question, when the wiki says to copy the modules to the system, how should I do it ? |
| 10:33.26 | aloril | lukhas_nowhere: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 10:33.58 | xkr47 | lukhas_nowhere, scp for example |
| 10:33.59 | aloril | umm.. what page says that? if you use suitable rootfs, no need for that |
| 10:34.27 | xkr47 | I think lukhas_nowhere is reading the old pages about flashing & rootfs |
| 10:34.27 | aloril | (or what xkr47 said for stuff not included) |
| 10:34.54 | xkr47 | I recall seeing "copy modules in place.. for newer versions this is probably not needed" somewhere on the wiki |
| 10:35.14 | lukhas_nowhere | I have some "can't find module" errors at boot |
| 10:35.49 | aloril | hmm.. #3780 has received Neo1973 |
| 10:35.53 | lukhas_nowhere | the uname says 2.6.21.6-moko11 and the /lib/modules only contains 2.6.something-moko10 |
| 10:36.54 | lukhas_nowhere | 2.6.21.3-moko10 |
| 10:37.17 | aloril | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/?C=M;O=D linked from [[SH1]] |
| 10:37.37 | xkr47 | lukhas_nowhere, aloril is saying your rootfs is probably older than the kernel |
| 10:37.46 | xkr47 | and that you should check the link he provided for newer ones |
| 10:37.52 | lukhas_nowhere | ok |
| 10:38.00 | lukhas_nowhere | I'll check |
| 10:38.57 | aloril | or http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 |
| 10:39.03 | lukhas_nowhere | how can I know what kernel version a given rootfs is for ? |
| 10:39.16 | ScaredyCat | that means you flashed the wrong one |
| 10:39.53 | SpeedEvil | It's a binary format problem. |
| 10:39.55 | ScaredyCat | if you are using 2.6.21.6-moko11 with moko10 modules |
| 10:40.33 | SpeedEvil | I believer it may work in a chroot of 2007.1 - thyough it'll only need a couple of libs |
| 10:41.00 | xkr47 | lukhas_nowhere, unfortunately there isn't any good way currently |
| 10:41.26 | xkr47 | you just have to try to combine kernel & rootfs with file timestamps close together |
| 10:41.30 | ScaredyCat | lukhas_nowhere: generally you flash a matching rootfs+kernel... |
| 10:41.47 | lukhas_nowhere | ok |
| 10:41.50 | xkr47 | ScaredyCat, but you only see if it's matching after you use it :P |
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| 10:41.58 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 10:42.02 | xkr47 | ScaredyCat, the filenames don't say which are matching |
| 10:42.05 | ScaredyCat | you use your noggin |
| 10:42.16 | xkr47 | what nonsense!?! |
| 10:42.21 | ScaredyCat | uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2678_0-fic-gta01.bin |
| 10:42.45 | xkr47 | noggin = alcohol ?--) |
| 10:43.06 | ScaredyCat | if you like ;) |
| 10:43.38 | aloril | SpeedEvil: ah, yeah, though of course best is if negotiations finally end |
| 10:43.45 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
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| 10:43.59 | lukhas_nowhere | ok, found a newer rootfs, seems I wasn't using the latest one as I thought |
| 10:44.00 | xkr47 | lukhas_nowhere, if you get the wrong combination, then some functionality will not be there.. no bigger harm than that (at the moment at leat :) |
| 10:44.14 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/ |
| 10:44.25 | SpeedEvil | What would be lovely would be an agreement - perhaps for a small fee - to use the AGPS servers. |
| 10:45.01 | aloril | Neo1973 is only 1m away from windows, but got only occasional fix |
| 10:45.24 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 10:45.29 | ScaredyCat | lead windows? |
| 10:45.43 | SpeedEvil | Are you in a skyscraper? |
| 10:46.04 | aloril | gllin -low 5 |
| 10:46.15 | aloril | gllin -periodic 1 |
| 10:46.41 | aloril | 2nd floor in 3 story house, it gets fix if I open window and put it to windowsill |
| 10:46.41 | ScaredyCat | periodic 1 ? |
| 10:46.44 | ScaredyCat | not 3 ? |
| 10:46.52 | aloril | too fast? |
| 10:46.58 | ScaredyCat | think so.. |
| 10:47.09 | SpeedEvil | aloril: is it a 'low e' window? |
| 10:47.09 | ScaredyCat | I only ever got anyhting useful from 3 |
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| 10:50.25 | aloril | periodic 0 works |
| 10:50.52 | ScaredyCat | what is 0 ? |
| 10:51.01 | ScaredyCat | as fast as possible? |
| 10:51.04 | aloril | yeah |
| 10:51.14 | aloril | 2.1s between fixes and then long pause |
| 10:52.38 | aloril | still 'paused' ;-) |
| 10:53.15 | lukhas_nowhere | ok, with the proper rootfs image it's no longer showing error messages :) |
| 10:54.08 | aloril | SpeedEvil: don't know about window coating |
| 10:54.35 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] |
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| 10:56.13 | J-23 | IT WORKS!!! :D |
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| 11:01.58 | aloril | anybody tried recording sound? /etc/alsa/capture* work somewhat (arecord / dd) but result is noisy |
| 11:03.05 | SpeedEvil | What I'd try. |
| 11:03.35 | SpeedEvil | copy the stream to anohter system. |
| 11:03.38 | xkr47 | aloril, I've had problems with arecord on a pc as well |
| 11:03.39 | SpeedEvil | listen to it there. |
| 11:03.51 | xkr47 | aloril, have you tried brec (in bplay package I think) ? |
| 11:04.14 | aloril | SpeedEvil: did that, sounded worse than in Neo1973 itself ;-) |
| 11:04.14 | SpeedEvil | And then try tweaking the mixer with alsamixer |
| 11:04.14 | xkr47 | brec also has a bigger memory buffer so overruns don't happen so easily |
| 11:04.53 | aloril | xkr47: not tried, thanks for hint |
| 11:05.23 | aloril | SpeedEvil: hmm.. yeah, I guess so, I was just hoping somebody had already done it |
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| 11:05.39 | xkr47 | there's a shitload of mixer settings, I tell you :) |
| 11:05.46 | aloril | indeed ;-) |
| 11:06.15 | xkr47 | it would be nice with a picture describing how they are related :) |
| 11:06.47 | SpeedEvil | There is onw. |
| 11:06.49 | SpeedEvil | e |
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| 11:07.06 | SpeedEvil | ojn the audio subsystem page. |
| 11:07.17 | SpeedEvil | Admittedly, it could do with external connections. |
| 11:07.28 | XorA | the number of mixers on the record side is actually quite small |
| 11:08.14 | Dmitry_Platonov | btw, there is still no working gsmheadset.state |
| 11:08.38 | XorA | Dmitry_Platonov: there is no working bluetooth, so its kind of hard to make one |
| 11:08.54 | Dmitry_Platonov | s/headset/handset/ |
| 11:09.16 | XorA | actually I confuse myself |
| 11:09.34 | XorA | gsmhandset should work, and I guess is working for somepeople as they make calls |
| 11:10.06 | Dmitry_Platonov | sound output is via stereo speaker, not handset speaker. AFAIK |
| 11:10.28 | XorA | Dmitry_Platonov: then change Amp Mode, the neo I did the state file on was broken |
| 11:11.16 | Dmitry_Platonov | XorA, I do not own one. :-/ May be, you make new one and ask people to test it? |
| 11:11.53 | XorA | Dmitry_Platonov: I will when I get time, Im currently doing support work for other customers and internal project work |
| 11:12.31 | Dmitry_Platonov | I understand. |
| 11:15.47 | SpeedEvil | How doesn't bluetooth work? |
| 11:16.07 | SpeedEvil | As I understood it, you could configure the bluetooth device using the bluez* stuff |
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| 11:16.35 | SpeedEvil | I haven't tried, as I have no blueteeth. |
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| 11:17.15 | sagacis | hey, I built 2007.2 |
| 11:18.27 | Dmitry_Platonov | btw, with lates 2007.2 build xrandr -o 1 does not works for me :-/ |
| 11:19.24 | SpeedEvil | It was randomly killing X under 2007.1 for a while for me, then it stopped |
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| 11:34.17 | aloril | XorA: do you have GTA01B_v04 device? |
| 11:43.18 | XorA | aloril: yes |
| 11:50.18 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2698 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-notify.c): |
| 11:50.18 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-14 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 11:50.18 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (moko_notify_check_brightness): |
| 11:50.18 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Set the brightness to highest when receiving a call. |
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| 11:58.56 | aloril | well, gllin can get date right even if it doesn't get actual fix |
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| 12:08.08 | ScaredyCat | /home/moko> telnet 192.168.0.202 5005 |
| 12:08.08 | ScaredyCat | Trying 192.168.0.202... |
| 12:08.11 | ScaredyCat | Connected to 192.168.0.202. |
| 12:08.15 | ScaredyCat | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 12:08.15 | ScaredyCat | $PGLOR,RID,GLL,182,5,023*4D |
| 12:08.16 | ScaredyCat | $GPGGA,120717.88,,,,,00,00,5.0,,M,-0.016105,M,-0.0060199,*65 |
| 12:08.16 | ScaredyCat | $GPRMC,120717.88,V,,,,,,,140807,,,N*75 |
| 12:08.16 | ScaredyCat | $GPGSV,3,1,10,09,42,270,32,18,33,294,28,26,68,156,32,29,57,150,32*78 |
| 12:08.16 | ScaredyCat | $GPGSV,3,2,10,17,28,105,32,10,253,182,,28,38,056,,22,13,326,*49 |
| 12:08.18 | ScaredyCat | oops sorry |
| 12:08.31 | madwoota | you hacked the gibson! |
| 12:08.48 | CM | Who manufactures the battery for the Neo? |
| 12:09.17 | CM | Hope it's not Matsuchita: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/08/14/nokia_overheating_battery/ |
| 12:10.16 | madwoota | or Sony :P |
| 12:10.20 | CM | Hehe |
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| 12:12.28 | sannes | Anyone get gsmd dying on a regular basis? |
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| 12:23.15 | CM | I've always liked fires, but preferably not in my pocket.. |
| 12:23.20 | aloril | SpeedEvil: I rememeber vaguely you saying that we could do better than gllin does? |
| 12:24.02 | SpeedEvil | In principle. |
| 12:24.11 | SpeedEvil | In what way? |
| 12:24.54 | SpeedEvil | It could be harnessed CM. |
| 12:24.56 | aloril | for example getting fixes in worse places and/or getting more accurate fixes |
| 12:25.18 | SpeedEvil | A little boiler next to the battery, and a steam generator. |
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| 12:25.44 | SpeedEvil | aloril: In principle, eventually yes. It's not going to be the case for some time yet though. |
| 12:25.52 | Dmitry_Platonov | aloril, DGPS, tight coupling with accelerometers, you name it |
| 12:26.01 | SpeedEvil | accelerometers are almost useless. |
| 12:26.26 | Dmitry_Platonov | they are not |
| 12:26.30 | SpeedEvil | You don't have phone orientation - which you also need. |
| 12:26.37 | aloril | Dmitry_Platonov: yeah obviously, but I was thinking about better results when with HH chip only |
| 12:26.43 | SpeedEvil | With regards to the direction of travel. |
| 12:26.47 | jeddy3 | anyone got ipforwarding trough bluetooth working? |
| 12:27.04 | CM | SpeedEvil: That's real steampunk ;) |
| 12:27.11 | blindcoder | SpeedEvil: well, if you get 9.8m/s² then you know the direction :) |
| 12:27.24 | SpeedEvil | Potential for chip-only improvements is limited somwehat possibly. |
| 12:27.28 | SpeedEvil | No, you don't. |
| 12:27.29 | blindcoder | err /s/s |
| 12:27.47 | blindcoder | okay, you can make a very good _guess ;) |
| 12:28.22 | SpeedEvil | There have been a number of cases of planes flying into the ground accidentally, inverted, pulling -2G, because the pilots diddn't notice they were not upright. |
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| 12:28.43 | blindcoder | honestly, my phone by then is the least of my concerns :P |
| 12:29.37 | SpeedEvil | Accelerometers - the best currently available ones - help in one case that I've worked out. |
| 12:29.53 | SpeedEvil | When the phone is locked into a car holder, in fixed orientation compared to the car. |
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| 12:30.43 | SpeedEvil | This can actually give reasonable dead-reckoning for several tens of seconds, assuming that the car does not do drifts, there is a close correlation between side-side accelleration, and turning. |
| 12:31.16 | aloril | SpeedEvil: I can see one case where accelerometer could help: sudden jump in position (though heuristics could help here too) |
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| 12:31.21 | SpeedEvil | With the accelerometers mentioned on the mailing list, you can do only under several seconds. |
| 12:31.42 | SpeedEvil | It can only give you distance though. |
| 12:31.56 | SpeedEvil | And that's distance, assuming that you remained on a horizontal surface. |
| 12:32.06 | SpeedEvil | And that the phone remained in a constant orientation. |
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| 12:32.26 | SpeedEvil | It can indeed rule out bogons from the GPS data. |
| 12:32.31 | SpeedEvil | As that's much easier. |
| 12:32.41 | blindcoder | wouldn't one accelerometer on each axis help there? |
| 12:32.47 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 12:32.50 | SpeedEvil | hang on. |
| 12:33.15 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_Fundamentals |
| 12:33.38 | SpeedEvil | What you can in theory do with 2 3-axis accelerometers. |
| 12:33.52 | SpeedEvil | And what is doable in practice with the best currently available ones. |
| 12:37.35 | aloril | cjb: I'm thinking about adding mention to counter page about definitely_not_gllin.tar (currently considering b): a) no mention b) make it something like "at irc gllin was leaked as definitely_not_gllin.tar, search irc logs" c) link to it |
| 12:38.21 | aloril | cjb: what do you say? (definitely won't do 'c)' without your permission) |
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| 12:38.36 | philip | hi chaps |
| 12:39.01 | philip | say, what's wrong if i get "+CME ERROR: 3" after every AT+COPS=? ? |
| 12:39.01 | aloril | philip: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 12:39.35 | Dmitry_Platonov | accelerometers can increase robustness and accuracy, esp. with post-processing. |
| 12:39.40 | aloril | philip: tried again? |
| 12:40.00 | aloril | discard above ;-) |
| 12:40.01 | philip | yep |
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| 12:40.23 | aloril | ATT SIM? |
| 12:40.24 | philip | (my simcard has pin disabled) |
| 12:40.31 | philip | nope, an austrian provider |
| 12:40.32 | philip | prepaid |
| 12:40.39 | CM | 3G card? |
| 12:40.44 | SpeedEvil | Dmitry_Platonov: To a limited extent - yes. Or much more if you can guarantee stuff about the orientation of teh phone. |
| 12:40.45 | philip | nope |
| 12:41.19 | khaije1 | SpeedEvil: is a magic-wand ui possible/feasible ? |
| 12:41.35 | Dmitry_Platonov | SpeedEvil, right. But we must use what we have. |
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| 12:41.52 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 12:42.05 | SpeedEvil | khaije1: basically - you have a measurement of 'down' quite accurately. |
| 12:42.31 | SpeedEvil | Think of it as a pendulumn, with no inertia. |
| 12:42.56 | philip | CM, aloril any hint what could trigger that error? |
| 12:43.24 | SpeedEvil | Error 3? |
| 12:43.27 | SpeedEvil | Not 13? |
| 12:43.39 | philip | sometimes it was 13 |
| 12:43.46 | philip | but i tried to readjust the simcard |
| 12:43.52 | SpeedEvil | 13 is 'can't read SIM' IIRC |
| 12:43.54 | philip | now it is 3 |
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| 12:44.13 | khaije1 | will the neo have auto-tilt a la iphone? is this planned? j/w |
| 12:44.27 | SpeedEvil | http://www.activexperts.com/activsms/sms/gsmerrorcodes/ |
| 12:44.30 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 12:44.34 | SpeedEvil | khaije1. |
| 12:44.38 | philip | SpeedEvil: i have that site open ;) |
| 12:44.42 | SpeedEvil | 3 is 'not permitted' |
| 12:44.42 | philip | +already |
| 12:44.53 | khaije1 | thx again SpeedEvil :-) |
| 12:44.54 | philip | yeah, but what means not allowed/not permitted |
| 12:44.59 | philip | is this a simcard error? |
| 12:45.08 | philip | and on what condition does it raise that error? |
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| 12:45.57 | niclone | and 15 is, you are not lucky ... |
| 12:46.01 | SpeedEvil | There are problems with some SIMS and the neo. |
| 12:46.10 | SpeedEvil | There are problems with some SIMs and the neo. |
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| 12:47.35 | philip | SpeedEvil: is there some documentation about that problem? |
| 12:47.37 | niclone | but problem with some SIM is error 15 isn't it? |
| 12:47.41 | niclone | !bug 666 |
| 12:47.46 | niclone | or something like that :) |
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| 12:49.27 | niclone | philip: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 |
| 12:49.38 | philip | |
| 12:49.40 | niclone | philip: not sure that you are concerned |
| 12:49.44 | philip | yeah, i'm reading |
| 12:50.42 | aloril | hmm.. no idea if this could be related, but do you enter AT+CPIN="" line? (if not, what if you do; if you do, what if you don't) |
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| 12:51.51 | philip | interesting |
| 12:51.58 | philip | ERror 3 |
| 12:52.07 | philip | if i use a wrong pin, i get 320 |
| 12:52.42 | aloril | error 3 is with empty pin or no pin command at all? |
| 12:52.43 | philip | now i have 100 |
| 12:52.45 | ynezz | how much accurate is that? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch |
| 12:53.06 | philip | ok, i hope i didn't just lock my simcard... |
| 12:53.41 | philip | by the way, any idea why the touchscreen / the touchscreen calibration doesnt work? |
| 12:53.51 | philip | is it just the build i am using or doesnt it yet work at all? |
| 12:53.52 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean by that? |
| 12:53.55 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Technical:Accelerometer_Fundamentals]] [[P1_Owners]] |
| 12:54.00 | SpeedEvil | It seems to work OK for me. |
| 12:54.08 | philip | ok, so it is the build |
| 12:54.16 | SpeedEvil | Or your hardware. |
| 12:54.19 | philip | since i get stuff on /dev/input/touchscreen0 |
| 12:54.27 | philip | but the x does not react to it |
| 12:54.54 | Dmitry_Platonov | do you use 2007.2 images? |
| 12:55.14 | philip | http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070813013449.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 12:55.18 | philip | that one |
| 12:55.42 | Dmitry_Platonov | does it run calibration on first boot? |
| 12:56.16 | philip | it runs calibration on every boot |
| 12:56.26 | philip | but it seems that x doesn't receive events |
| 12:56.35 | philip | (though the input device spits something when doing cat) |
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| 12:57.35 | aloril | every boot? should do only once |
| 12:57.38 | Dmitry_Platonov | philip, that's strange. |
| 12:58.08 | philip | ok, the simcard still works w/o pin in my siemens/benq s68 |
| 12:58.28 | philip | Dmitry_Platonov: i also get some strange messages, i will try to post them |
| 12:59.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 704 has been created by schrock.brian(AT)gmail.com |
| 12:59.01 | cdbot2 | * * /etc/init.d/gsmd kills self. |
| 12:59.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=704 |
| 12:59.30 | SpeedEvil | np: Goldie Lookin' Chain - Self Suicide. |
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| 13:00.27 | philip | is there somewhere a spec of the gsm chip used? |
| 13:00.39 | philip | so that i can search on what conditions it throws this error? |
| 13:00.42 | rxr | nope, and the firmware a NDA'ed binary blob anyway |
| 13:00.47 | rxr | TI Calypso or so |
| 13:01.23 | rxr | philip: you probably hit bug #666 |
| 13:01.54 | zecke | philip: you can go to etsi and download the specs. Only certain ranges of these errors codes should be vendor specific |
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| 13:02.55 | philip | rxr: i do not have 3g |
| 13:03.00 | philip | i have a prepaid 2g |
| 13:03.03 | philip | by www.yesss.at |
| 13:03.10 | rxr | philip: it is not 3g related |
| 13:03.23 | rxr | philip: it is "2007 manufactored (read decent) SIM card related" |
| 13:03.41 | philip | gna |
| 13:03.57 | philip | well, my sim is a year old |
| 13:03.58 | philip | or two |
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| 13:06.41 | philip | ah |
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| 13:06.43 | philip | it say |
| 13:06.44 | philip | s |
| 13:06.49 | El_Salvador2 | my sim 5 years old |
| 13:06.50 | philip | "could not open tslib config file" |
| 13:06.51 | El_Salvador2 | :P |
| 13:07.47 | philip | /usr/share/tslib/ts-2.6.conf is not there |
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| 13:08.19 | CM | SpeedEvil: That GLC song is truly great.. Probably funniest ever |
| 13:08.41 | aloril | philip: try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 and from there http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/?C=M;O=D |
| 13:08.51 | XorA | yay, we can have Adventure on Neo1973 |
| 13:09.12 | philip | aloril: i'd rather like to generate that config file |
| 13:09.13 | CM | SpeedEvil: Charm school is also one of my favourites.. :) |
| 13:09.20 | philip | i am already using the latest build ;) |
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| 13:11.52 | philip | or could just someone give me that config file? |
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| 13:13.09 | CM | !ombug 666 |
| 13:13.10 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 666, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 13:13.11 | cdbot2 | * * steven.demetrius(AT)fiwwi.com: 3G SIM capability |
| 13:13.12 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 |
| 13:13.51 | zecke | hehe, that is a nice bug number |
| 13:13.56 | aloril | philip: /etc/pointercal is touch screen calibration file |
| 13:14.25 | philip | aloril: that isnt there too |
| 13:15.13 | philip | but ts_* commands complain about a missing /usr/share/tslib/ts-2.6.conf in strace |
| 13:15.16 | aloril | yeah, that is generated during first boot when using image I 'linked' to (or you can run calibration program manually) |
| 13:16.20 | aloril | ( /usr/bin/xtscal ) |
| 13:16.59 | philip | i do get the calibration screen on boot |
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| 13:20.54 | niclone | in my case, response to AT+COPS is "ERROR 32" (network not allowed - emergency calls only) |
| 13:21.28 | niclone | ant AT+COPS=? give me "ERROR 15" (SIM wrong) |
| 13:21.37 | aloril | philip: /usr/share/tslib/ts-2.6.conf: "module_raw input grab_events=1\nmodule pthres pmin=1\nmodule variance delta=30\nmodule dejitter delta=100\nmodule linear\n" |
| 13:21.42 | niclone | is this the #666 bug? |
| 13:21.44 | philip | thanks |
| 13:21.57 | aloril | (and some other commented lines) |
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| 13:24.32 | ynezz | niclone: could be |
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| 13:25.20 | philip | works like a charm now |
| 13:25.28 | philip | seems that someone forgot that file in the latest build |
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| 13:26.21 | philip | haha ... the x window manager just openend on my desktop |
| 13:26.24 | philip | i love it :)) |
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| 13:27.56 | bschrock | niclone: I am not an expert, but the I was experiencing errors just reading the SIM chip. |
| 13:28.15 | bschrock | niclone: It looks like your SIM chip was read, just not allowed on the network. |
| 13:28.56 | niclone | but it work on others mobiles |
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| 13:29.57 | philip | ok, in the build i have seems to be a lot of incomplete shit |
| 13:30.00 | niclone | i also hava error 13 on AT+CIMI :( seem to be #666 :( |
| 13:30.13 | philip | what image is recommended? and do i need to downgrade the kernel too? |
| 13:30.53 | rxr | all images are incomplete, best is to open an editor and start contributing :-) |
| 13:31.13 | philip | nah, there is nothing in the themes directory and such |
| 13:31.24 | philip | i'd like to contribute, but appaeringly, there is already something like a gui |
| 13:31.38 | philip | and i'd like to have a look at that before i start reinventing the wheel ;) |
| 13:31.47 | woglinde | lol |
| 13:31.56 | ScaredyCat | ffffffffff |
| 13:32.55 | philip | seriously, that 08-13 image seems to be lacking very essential stuff |
| 13:33.24 | philip | tslib config, theme directory ... sucks ;) |
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| 13:37.11 | ruoso | philip, it's lacking that because it *is* lacking that |
| 13:38.06 | philip | ruoso: i do not understand ... there are screenshots |
| 13:38.19 | philip | (with a themed interface) |
| 13:38.46 | ruoso | philip, that probably is old and prototype-only |
| 13:39.02 | philip | and appaerantly, aloril had a tslib.conf ... which i didn't |
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| 13:39.23 | ruoso | the new interface 2007.2 (see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing) is completely different from previous versions |
| 13:39.37 | aloril | philip: used these: openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin |
| 13:40.26 | ruoso | aloril, could you please add your experience with this images to the link above? |
| 13:40.30 | aloril | now... calling doesn't work with that image |
| 13:41.09 | ruoso | calling doesn't work properly in any of them :) |
| 13:41.26 | ruoso | the closer I got was having to do a alsactl -f ... restore to hear the call |
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| 13:41.35 | aloril | well it works, but sound is off, tried once with gsmheadset.working.state restore file from linked from [[Manually_using_GSM]] too |
| 13:42.23 | aloril | s/off/loud/ |
| 13:42.37 | SpeedEvil | I can live with tinning for the moment. |
| 13:42.41 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 13:42.45 | ruoso | the last image in that link (20070813) has the sound settings good |
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| 13:43.02 | ruoso | (see the review I wrote, it helps ) |
| 13:43.05 | ruoso | :) |
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| 13:47.12 | ScaredyCat | gahh!1 |
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| 13:57.22 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2699 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): |
| 13:57.22 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-14 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 13:57.22 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_pin_entry), (on_pin_requested): |
| 13:57.22 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Set the correct UI options when the pin is requested. |
| 13:57.22 | CIA-20 | openmoko: After sending the pin out, re-request registration. |
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| 14:04.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 705 has been created by ace(AT)sannes.org |
| 14:04.01 | cdbot2 | * * gsmd quits |
| 14:04.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=705 |
| 14:06.39 | philip | btw, is there some sort of package management on openmoko? |
| 14:06.53 | mdt | how do timezone work on the neo? |
| 14:07.01 | mdt | philip, shure ipkg |
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| 14:09.10 | zecke | mdt: just like on any other glibc based system? install enough timezone fies |
| 14:09.28 | philip | ah, great |
| 14:09.35 | aloril | (script) planet: Holger "zecke" Freyther: Chaos Camp Update http://zecke.blogspot.com/2007/08/chaos-camp-update.html |
| 14:10.06 | philip | aloril: would you mind checking if you have a /usr/share/themes/Default/matchbox on your system and which packet provides it? |
| 14:11.51 | aloril | ipkg search /usr/share/themes/Default/matchbox/acceptbutton.xpm |
| 14:11.51 | aloril | matchbox-wm - 1.1-r1 - /usr/share/themes/Default/matchbox/acceptbutton.xpm |
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| 14:14.31 | mdt | zecke, arn't the files in the flash image? |
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| 14:19.02 | DukeOfURL | good morning |
| 14:20.25 | DukeOfURL | guten morgen |
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| 14:21.49 | Vegar | what command do I run to calibrate the touchscreen? |
| 14:22.16 | frma_ | After flashing a new kernel my u-boot says "NAND read failed" and "s3c2410_nand_correct_data: not implemented" and then of corse crc-checksum error... Anyone know what to do ? |
| 14:22.33 | frma_ | ... this is when reading the kernel from nand to ram ! |
| 14:22.37 | DukeOfURL | ts_calibrate? |
| 14:22.40 | zecke | mdt: maybe not all, glibc has huge timezone files |
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| 14:23.14 | Vegar | ah, yeah, that's it |
| 14:23.17 | Vegar | thanks DukeOfURL |
| 14:24.36 | frma_ | I used dfu-util to flash the kernel |
| 14:24.47 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2700 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): |
| 14:24.47 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-14 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 14:24.47 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_pin_entry): |
| 14:24.47 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Set the reg_request and registered variables as FALSE before requesting |
| 14:24.47 | CIA-20 | openmoko: reg again. |
| 14:25.51 | mdt | hm, what's the current/recommended kernel version? i flashed 2.6.21.6-moko11 some days ago but the modules from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.04/ are 2.6.20.7-moko8. |
| 14:27.10 | jgm | mdt: not sure who is building them but if you want bleeding-edge try the images from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing |
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| 14:35.17 | SpeedEvil | 1.0.13 isn't it :) |
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| 14:40.40 | frma_ | Anyone know if gllin is available somewhere in the greyer areas of internet ? |
| 14:44.54 | XorA | ~gllin |
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| 14:47.20 | philip | i have 11mb of my 512mb sd card full |
| 14:47.26 | philip | now it tells me "no space left on device" |
| 14:47.28 | philip | any ideas? |
| 14:47.45 | SpeedEvil | are you creating lots of files in the root directory? |
| 14:47.57 | SpeedEvil | To restate. |
| 14:47.58 | SpeedEvil | ops |
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| 14:50.59 | philip | SpeedEvil: nope, just /media/disk |
| 14:51.07 | philip | <eh |
| 14:51.14 | philip | * /media/card |
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| 14:54.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2701 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): |
| 14:54.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-14 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 14:54.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_pin_entry), (moko_dialer_dispose): |
| 14:54.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Reset variables for registration. |
| 14:54.11 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Remove some old code. |
| 14:54.15 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] |
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| 14:56.55 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Debug Board JTAG Programming with openocd |
| 14:57.17 | philip | which ipkg feed should i use? |
| 14:57.38 | philip | the ones i found seem to have either not much packages (buildhost) or are old (download) |
| 14:58.16 | philip | and the Packages.gz are broken , too |
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| 15:17.00 | tuukkah | can i read about the ce certification of neo somewhere? |
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| 15:23.38 | woglinde | tuukah it should be on the wiki |
| 15:23.58 | woglinde | -> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ |
| 15:24.11 | woglinde | -> Has the Neo1973 been through any FCC/CE Certification |
| 15:25.20 | SpeedEvil | It is. |
| 15:25.24 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 15:25.32 | SpeedEvil | I seem to recall seeing a CE mark. |
| 15:25.40 | woglinde | hehe |
| 15:25.44 | Writchie | i think it was only on the battery |
| 15:25.51 | tuukkah | i'd like to read something more than "fcc certification was almost done" |
| 15:25.52 | SpeedEvil | CE marking is a different concept. |
| 15:26.00 | SpeedEvil | You don't actually need to do any testing at all. |
| 15:26.04 | ScaredyCat | this debug board sucks ass |
| 15:26.18 | SpeedEvil | You have to backup if challenged that it was compliant though. |
| 15:26.18 | Writchie | you can go to fcc.gov for the FCC results on the neo |
| 15:27.05 | Writchie | there was no conformity docs with mine |
| 15:27.12 | Writchie | not necessary for "development" |
| 15:27.43 | tuukkah | yes underneath the battery i can see the CE sign, but does that mean the phone fulfills all EU requirements for radio devices? |
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| 15:28.38 | Writchie | I don't think it meets EC requirements because, forex, it has no statement of conformity. |
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| 15:29.04 | Writchie | but since it is a development device, i think it MAY be except |
| 15:29.15 | BryceLeo | yowch... you guys seen the competition? |
| 15:29.18 | BryceLeo | http://alp.access-company.com/index.html |
| 15:30.07 | juco | that's the palm platform, isn't it? |
| 15:30.11 | juco | I'm guessing its not open |
| 15:30.26 | Writchie | core team says there is no competition ;) |
| 15:30.42 | juco | http://www.motorola.com/content.jsp?globalObjectId=8411 |
| 15:30.46 | BryceLeo | juco, nope, linux base, palm compat layer on top, all your old 68k apps still work |
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| 15:31.05 | juco | is another linux phone platform |
| 15:31.08 | juco | also not open |
| 15:31.16 | BryceLeo | writchie heh, i hope the core team is right |
| 15:31.24 | juco | BryceLeo, I meant, its the platform that palm says they will use |
| 15:32.12 | BryceLeo | juco, not necessairily, but that's probably what will happen, plam is licencing the compatiblity layer but the OS itself is not offically chosen yet. Last i heard they were toying with making their own |
| 15:33.46 | juco | ah |
| 15:33.53 | BryceLeo | i think it's interesting, i doubt they could match the speed at which openmoko can change and advance, but it'll keep things interesting for sure |
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| 15:34.15 | juco | its not really relevant to OpenMoko |
| 15:35.01 | juco | at least, not it doesn't have the component that I find key in OpenMoko |
| 15:35.02 | BryceLeo | juco it's relavant to wide spread acceptance |
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| 15:35.15 | ScaredyCat | BryceLeo: that looks nice |
| 15:35.20 | juco | acceptance of what? |
| 15:35.37 | juco | Linux as a phone platform? |
| 15:35.55 | juco | motomagx is already in use on several handsets |
| 15:36.01 | BryceLeo | by the cell companies juco, they want you to pay for ringtones, pay for ringbacks the whole 9, pay for everythying possible, with an open phoen they lose ringtone revenue, lose possibly sms and mms revenue |
| 15:36.03 | juco | I think samsung has one as well |
| 15:36.17 | juco | oh, but Access isn't open, is it? |
| 15:36.20 | BryceLeo | scardycat it's pretty, that's for sure |
| 15:36.44 | juco | if you get a Access powered phone, it wouldn't be open for modification, would it? |
| 15:36.49 | rxr | BryceLeo: they loose nothing |
| 15:36.53 | jgm | BryceLeo: yeah but if the 'phone companies are clever they'll use openmoko to find new revenue streams |
| 15:37.02 | rxr | BryceLeo: joe user continue to be dump enough to buy ringtones and crappy games ... |
| 15:37.30 | BryceLeo | rxr come on, on OM it'll be as simple as select the "ringtone" app, and put mp3's in x folder |
| 15:37.46 | XorA | BryceLeo: thats a BS argument, no phone I ever owned required me to buy ringtones from the network, in that fashion they are all open |
| 15:37.49 | rxr | BryceLeo: I can do the same on my Sony M600i ... |
| 15:37.52 | BryceLeo | why do you guys think that the Iphone is so closed? |
| 15:38.08 | SpeedEvil | Because apple want to make as much profit as possible. |
| 15:38.09 | BryceLeo | they don't want you putting your own emulator on there they want you buying games from them |
| 15:38.18 | SpeedEvil | And they percieve that as being the way. |
| 15:38.23 | rxr | nonesnese |
| 15:38.25 | jgm | I have to admit I think that the main reason that these 'phones are 'closed' is so that the 'phone companies do not lose revenue from voice/data calls |
| 15:38.32 | cjb_ie | XorA: ...but a lot of network-supplied phones have firmware preventing you sending ringtones to other people. |
| 15:38.33 | juco | sure, that's the current model, but BryceLeo, how is the Access platform any different? |
| 15:38.36 | rxr | the iphone is closed because their software stack is so insecure |
| 15:38.46 | rxr | everything run as root (as on the Moko btw. right now AFAICS) |
| 15:38.46 | woglinde | rxr *g* |
| 15:39.05 | rxr | the day the iPhone is cracked open enough Apple will provide the SDK and make it more secure |
| 15:39.12 | BryceLeo | rxr running as root really isn't that insecure unless you run a poison binary |
| 15:39.12 | rxr | it was the same with the Intel Macs ... |
| 15:39.30 | rxr | first you could not run Windows, and the day they hacked windows to boot Apple released bootcamp ... :-) |
| 15:39.33 | XorA | cjb_ie: not in the UK they dont |
| 15:39.34 | ScaredyCat | BryceLeo: well that's easy... |
| 15:39.41 | ScaredyCat | here download my new mega app |
| 15:39.50 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 15:39.54 | BryceLeo | juco, the access platfrom will get loaded by the manufacture so when you walk ito the store you can buy it, and there's that "linux" buzz word for the consumers |
| 15:39.55 | SpeedEvil | Not if all the apps are signed by apple. |
| 15:40.02 | Cap_J_L_Picard | XorA: Yes they do. |
| 15:40.08 | cjb_ie | XorA: you sure? vodafone, o2 are the biggest operators there, no? same as here (ireland) |
| 15:40.10 | rxr | BryceLeo: every C junk has buffer insecurites to no avail ... |
| 15:40.23 | Cap_J_L_Picard | orange do. |
| 15:40.24 | XorA | Cap_J_L_Picard: well explain that NONE of the phones I owned ever had these restrictions |
| 15:40.26 | rxr | it is just a matter of trying or reading source to find them |
| 15:40.28 | hhf423 | so, is there a news OpenMoko 2007.2 to test today? |
| 15:40.30 | XorA | Cap_J_L_Picard: or my wife owns |
| 15:40.51 | BryceLeo | rxr if you can pop a buffer you can run as root doesn't matter what the user is logged in as |
| 15:41.05 | Cap_J_L_Picard | XorA: It depends on where you got the ringtone from, most do as the have DRM in the firmware. |
| 15:41.15 | ScaredyCat | I have to agree with XorA ... I've never had a phone that wouldn;t let me beam stuff to other people |
| 15:41.37 | juco | BryceLeo, yet another Linux phone platform: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS9574250494.html |
| 15:41.38 | BryceLeo | xora look at the new lg phones you used to be able to put in a micro sd card and use any mp3as a ring tone, on the new firmware, not so much |
| 15:41.46 | juco | that's what Samsung is using in some phones |
| 15:41.57 | rxr | it matters if all your stuff runs ans root and can read/write abbr. memory ... :-)( |
| 15:42.06 | Cap_J_L_Picard | XorA: Most accept mp3s too ;) |
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| 15:42.35 | Cap_J_L_Picard | Mine has DRM on it, but I bluetooth my own mp3s to it. |
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| 15:42.52 | BryceLeo | i just think that it's interesting and "open enough" to keep an eye out for |
| 15:43.42 | BryceLeo | with transparent dev OM will always be more secure and change faster so it always has an advantage |
| 15:43.46 | hhf423 | anrp: you did a win32 dfu util? |
| 15:43.48 | BryceLeo | but it's still interesting |
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| 15:44.47 | XorA | networks will always get their ring-tone money, because they get it from the people too stupid to work their phones and just want to click on a wap page |
| 15:45.09 | Basheri | true |
| 15:45.18 | woglinde | xora or kids watching ring tones advertising |
| 15:45.38 | cjb_ie | right, but one person who can work out how to end a ringtone by bluetooth could lose them the revenue of twenty others buying it again |
| 15:45.47 | XorA | woglinde: thats the market I was thinking of, the days of the h4x0r kids is gone |
| 15:46.00 | Writchie | how is it any different than $2/ liter water |
| 15:46.09 | XorA | if mobile phones had existed when I was in school Id have made money selling kids ringtones |
| 15:46.21 | jgm | I suspect that as data charges disappear a lot of kids will start to get most of their music downloaded to their 'phone so at that stage the ringtones come for 'free' |
| 15:46.47 | woglinde | he there are software like ringtone-maker |
| 15:47.48 | XorA | and I see the sms spam services are upto 9 GBP a week in the UK and people still pay |
| 15:48.01 | woglinde | lol |
| 15:48.10 | XorA | so plenty of money even with a freed phone |
| 15:48.23 | XorA | because inherently some people will buy what they are told to buy |
| 15:48.36 | ScaredyCat | if you make stuff idiot proof, nature makes a better idiot |
| 15:48.42 | XorA | anyway enough of my rants, time to catch train :-) |
| 15:48.48 | SpeedEvil | @find nirayel |
| 15:49.47 | bschrock | I don't have my phone with me or a totally working qemu... anyone wanna test a gsmd init script I attached to bug 704 ? |
| 15:50.05 | BryceLeo | alrighty all, that was a rousing chat i'm off to lucnh |
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| 15:57.23 | hhf423 | does it actually speed up things if the USB transfer size is upped? |
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| 16:04.42 | juco | wow, this really is a special device |
| 16:05.04 | juco | a coworker just asked me if you can rotate the screen |
| 16:05.10 | juco | and I said -- I dunno |
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| 16:05.27 | juco | so I opened a terminal, typed xrandr, and yup - you certainly can |
| 16:05.32 | thomasg__ | :) |
| 16:05.33 | torpor | hell openmoko'ers .. |
| 16:05.35 | thomasg__ | of course you can |
| 16:05.38 | torpor | i just got my box. nice! ;) |
| 16:05.44 | thomasg__ | grats |
| 16:06.26 | woglinde | torpor have fun |
| 16:06.34 | woglinde | hi thomasg |
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| 16:07.07 | torpor | what to do next .. |
| 16:07.44 | woglinde | flash image? |
| 16:07.48 | torpor | yeah |
| 16:07.51 | torpor | or build one .. ? |
| 16:07.51 | ozarka | torpor: I got mine last night. |
| 16:08.03 | juco | it takes a while to build |
| 16:08.15 | juco | so I would flash a binary first, just so you can see it run |
| 16:08.16 | ozarka | Hardest part was opening the back to put in the battery. |
| 16:08.20 | torpor | whats the fastest way to a build environment then? those vmware images or something? |
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| 16:08.34 | juco | what os are you running? |
| 16:08.37 | torpor | mac osx |
| 16:08.39 | bschrock | openmokomakefile is really fast. |
| 16:08.42 | torpor | i have parallels desktop |
| 16:08.46 | torpor | and i could get the vmware player. |
| 16:08.56 | juco | bschrock, really? |
| 16:09.03 | juco | it took hours and hours for it to run on my system |
| 16:09.07 | juco | and its a fast computer |
| 16:09.08 | torpor | bschrock: got the makefile .. not sure if its gonna work on osx yet though .. bviously that'd be my first choice. |
| 16:09.31 | ixs | talking about the makefile, has it been updated for 2007.2? |
| 16:09.37 | bschrock | Well it takes a fair amount of time, I set it up yesterday and then came back in this morning and everything was done. |
| 16:09.46 | juco | yeah, you call that fast? |
| 16:09.51 | bschrock | lol |
| 16:10.03 | thomasg__ | ixs, afaik not. however - you can use the nslu2 makefile (google) |
| 16:10.15 | torpor | but is it worth running on osx or should i get a linux vm image and go that route first? |
| 16:10.34 | ixs | thomasg__: thx. I'd like to try out .2 and the wiki is a bit short on info... |
| 16:10.42 | torpor | for me is speed-to-developer-environment important, because i don't have net access for the next 2 days .. just a few hours .. so i want to take something with me i can hack an openmoko app together with .. |
| 16:10.47 | thomasg__ | torpor, imho you should install linux on your machine :) |
| 16:11.08 | mintee_ | so can, or can't the GTA01 make calls? |
| 16:11.12 | bschrock | thomasg: I was hoping it wasn't going to go there! |
| 16:11.22 | jgm | Hmm... so I dfu-util'ed the u-boot partition with a kernel image but the Neo seems to still be okay, it boots and everything. Should I put a 'proper' u-boot on there or is it okay? |
| 16:11.23 | torpor | thomasg__: i run linux. in a parallels sandbox. |
| 16:11.24 | thomasg__ | bschrock, why not? |
| 16:11.27 | torpor | because i also code for osx. |
| 16:11.31 | bschrock | mintee: You can make calls, just does not work well. |
| 16:11.58 | juco | jgm, dfu-util should keep you from installing a kernel over uboot |
| 16:12.00 | bschrock | thomasg: Just playing, but that was exactly what I thought too. Just did not want to see an os war break out. |
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| 16:12.03 | juco | so its probably ok |
| 16:12.11 | thomasg__ | torpor, I just cannot believe why people want a open phone, but not a open computer! |
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| 16:12.38 | jgm | It seemed to try for a while then run out of space, which looks like it tried. Hard to tell without doing a complete cold-boot and not sure I want to do that just yet |
| 16:13.03 | mintee_ | bschrock, ok thanks |
| 16:13.33 | torpor | thomasg__: show me a computer that is 100% open, and as sexy as a macbook, and i'll run it. |
| 16:13.39 | jgm | The dfu-util output looked like this: http://pastebin.ca/657083 |
| 16:13.49 | torpor | for me, form-factor trumps any ideology issue. computers are for using, not putting on t-shirts. |
| 16:14.19 | juco | jgm, you may want a second opinion, but I think that means it didn't flash |
| 16:14.23 | torpor | but thats just me. i respect your opinion. i also am an open source coder. i have run linux since the days of the minix-list. just, these days, i run linux mostly under virtualization, first and foremost, anyway. as a production system. |
| 16:14.38 | jgm | juco: thanks. Anyone want to venture a second opinion? |
| 16:14.47 | torpor | one day i might just do the full-linux laptop main environment, but for now my linux use is in devices .. such as openmoko (and gp2x, and zaurus, and i-opener) .. |
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| 16:15.12 | torpor | anyway, i guess i'm gonna do the makefile under ubuntu approach .. |
| 16:15.12 | ixs | mhm. The gta01bv4 I have here is shutting down after 30sek in uboot. Is it possible to disable that? |
| 16:15.45 | torpor | .. and hope it finishes before i have no more network. |
| 16:15.45 | juco | you can flash your uboot |
| 16:15.45 | lukhas_nowhere | ixs: press Aux key from time to time |
| 16:15.45 | bschrock | torpor: I think I remember seeing osx instructions for prepping OS X. |
| 16:15.45 | lukhas_nowhere | or start flashing before 30 seconds |
| 16:16.07 | juco | lukhas_nowhere's suggestion is a lot safer if you don't have a debug board |
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| 16:16.15 | ixs | lukhas_nowhere: no cookie for you. pressing aux or flashing before is not an option as it also seems to shutdown during an usb serial session. |
| 16:16.25 | bschrock | torpor: There is a wiki link, but the page is empty. |
| 16:16.35 | ixs | juco: got the debug board, so flashing is fine with me |
| 16:16.35 | lukhas_nowhere | can anyone here help me debug the GSM connection ? I succeeded only once in making a phone call, and never managed to make it work again :/ |
| 16:16.40 | torpor | its why i'm pestering #openmoko .. ;) |
| 16:16.53 | torpor | okay i'll just occupy myself in the meantime with flashing this first .. |
| 16:18.24 | thomasg__ | torpor, what's so "sexy" on your macbook? the color? |
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| 16:18.44 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere, Is gsmd daemon running. |
| 16:18.51 | cjb_ie | i'm guessing the shiny 3D-ness of OS-X |
| 16:19.09 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere, I have noticed it will start once, then because the init script is messed up gsmd will fail to start after that. |
| 16:19.18 | lukhas_nowhere | bschrock: I think it is, since it showed "success" at boot |
| 16:19.21 | mjr | maybe it's his donkey all shiny, lubed and ready for Steve |
| 16:19.31 | lukhas_nowhere | oh, I'll check then |
| 16:19.39 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere, That means nothing, the init script is messed up, if you want I have a new one attached to bug 304... |
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| 16:19.44 | torpor | thomasg__: the formfactor, physically. it fits. |
| 16:19.45 | lukhas_nowhere | ok |
| 16:19.47 | bschrock | argh.... I mean bug 704 |
| 16:19.53 | lukhas_nowhere | I'll ssh on it and check, then |
| 16:20.19 | lukhas_nowhere | ssh over usb rulez, btw :) |
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| 16:20.33 | thomasg__ | torpor, there are dozends of 10/11/12/13" notebooks |
| 16:21.00 | torpor | they are all crap |
| 16:21.04 | lukhas_nowhere | bschrock: there is "gsmd -p /dev/ttySAC0 -s 115200 -F" running |
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| 16:21.25 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere, libgsmtool -m shell |
| 16:21.28 | lukhas_nowhere | but the gsmd start is a lot faster now than it was the first time I plugged my SIM card in it |
| 16:21.31 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere, can you do all that? |
| 16:21.33 | torpor | i have macbook pro 17". show me (i beg you) a laptop just as nice. |
| 16:21.37 | torpor | i'll switch. |
| 16:21.44 | lukhas_nowhere | bschrock: all what ? |
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| 16:21.52 | lukhas_nowhere | "Can't connect to gsmd" |
| 16:22.01 | lukhas_nowhere | aha, so it's running, but not really then :) |
| 16:22.25 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere, Yeah, so kill it and restart it. |
| 16:23.22 | lukhas_nowhere | stopped && startted, libgsm now takes some time before answering |
| 16:23.38 | lukhas_nowhere | ah, it's apparently connected |
| 16:23.54 | lukhas_nowhere | at least I'm no longer in a shell |
| 16:24.21 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: type a ? |
| 16:24.31 | lukhas_nowhere | just done, got a help message |
| 16:24.35 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere, unless you know how to use the libgsm-tool -m shell already. |
| 16:24.45 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: type R |
| 16:24.49 | lukhas_nowhere | I don't, just found the wiki page |
| 16:25.02 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere, and after that type D12345555555 |
| 16:25.07 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere, that should call someone |
| 16:25.15 | lukhas_nowhere | no PIN to enter ? |
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| 16:25.27 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere, I am in USA, I did not have to but you might. |
| 16:25.45 | juri_ | yay! tracking number! |
| 16:25.58 | lukhas_nowhere | I will probably have to |
| 16:26.14 | lukhas_nowhere | (I'm in France) |
| 16:26.35 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere, Ahhh. that explains needing the PIN then. |
| 16:26.44 | lukhas_nowhere | Outgoing call process : UNKNOWN, PROCEED, SYNC, ALERT, in this order |
| 16:27.51 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: Is that normal call flow? |
| 16:28.13 | lukhas_nowhere | given the phone number I'd think so, trying with a proper phone number |
| 16:28.29 | lukhas_nowhere | proper as in "French" :) |
| 16:28.57 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: French phone numbers are different? :-) They use hex or something? |
| 16:28.59 | lukhas_nowhere | ok, got a "CONNECTED" |
| 16:29.04 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: Sweet! |
| 16:29.06 | lukhas_nowhere | bschrock: they are shorter :) |
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| 16:30.16 | lukhas_nowhere | and now DISCONNECT and RELASE, ok, the remote number hung up, that's normal |
| 16:30.34 | lukhas_nowhere | so now it should work from the Dialer ? |
| 16:30.52 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: Maybe.... The GUI seems to get disconnected from reality if it does not work the first time. |
| 16:30.58 | lukhas_nowhere | ah |
| 16:31.00 | lukhas_nowhere | hmm |
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| 16:32.11 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: Also be careful of how the audio is configured... |
| 16:32.26 | torpor | bbl |
| 16:32.28 | lukhas_nowhere | yeah, I had no sound last time |
| 16:33.34 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: Look at the alsactl /etc/alsa/<pick one> restore section in the wiki. |
| 16:34.10 | lukhas_nowhere | ok |
| 16:34.29 | lukhas_nowhere | which one should give me sound ? :) |
| 16:34.48 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: Hmmmm, maybe the gsmhandset one, I can;t remember |
| 16:34.51 | lukhas_nowhere | stereoout works fine when I do cat foo.au > /dev/dsp |
| 16:35.04 | lukhas_nowhere | k |
| 16:35.08 | lukhas_nowhere | ok, even |
| 16:35.26 | ScaredyCat | meow |
| 16:35.28 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: Yeah, but that audio is generated by the soc (?) and the phone call audio is generated via the gsm modem. |
| 16:36.16 | lukhas_nowhere | oh, I see |
| 16:36.20 | lukhas_nowhere | quite complicated |
| 16:36.46 | lukhas_nowhere | though I doubt they had the choice :) |
| 16:37.01 | bschrock | Yeah, /sarcasm/ gotta keep the gsm modem closed or would all be able to see what our countries SEcret Services were doing. |
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| 16:38.35 | lukhas_nowhere | the headphones are weird |
| 16:40.04 | lukhas_nowhere | oh, and there's an awful "beeep" sound coming out from the stereo headphones once I hang up |
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| 16:40.18 | lukhas_nowhere | but apart from that, seems to work, with libgsm-tool |
| 16:40.22 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: Congratulations you got audio! |
| 16:40.33 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: ;-) |
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| 16:41.51 | lukhas_nowhere | I got audio, not the one I expected, but still :) |
| 16:42.39 | xamindar | does phone audio work on the emulator? I enabled alsa when i built it but i don't know how to get it working. |
| 16:43.27 | Dmitry_Platonov | lukhas_nowhere, it's local feedback (known issue) because stereo speaker (must be handset speaker) is used in your handset.state |
| 16:43.59 | lukhas_nowhere | Dmitry_Platonov: not sure I understood your sentence |
| 16:44.10 | lukhas_nowhere | is that a kind of larsen ? |
| 16:44.53 | Dmitry_Platonov | lukhas_nowhere, yes. |
| 16:45.21 | lukhas_nowhere | ok |
| 16:45.31 | lukhas_nowhere | is there a known procedure to stop it ? |
| 16:46.01 | lukhas_nowhere | it's quite horrible to hear, and my colleagues are trying to work here :) |
| 16:47.39 | Dmitry_Platonov | if you want to stop it now, lower volume in alsamixer (not sure wich one) |
| 16:47.47 | lukhas_nowhere | ok |
| 16:48.27 | lukhas_nowhere | switching from stereoout to gsmhandset two or three times seems to work too |
| 16:48.35 | lukhas_nowhere | but that's a bit hackish |
| 16:49.40 | Dmitry_Platonov | lukhas_nowhere, wait while somebody fix it 8) |
| 16:49.52 | lukhas_nowhere | sounds like a good plan :) |
| 16:51.23 | xamindar | i guess i asked a stupid question |
| 16:51.53 | lukhas_nowhere | or maybe no one knows the answer, which I why I couldn't answer |
| 16:52.22 | xamindar | aww, ok |
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| 16:52.50 | xamindar | it also seems that about 3 people are talking at the moment and everyone else is sleeping ;) |
| 16:53.06 | jrockway | hey all... i've been having bad luck with the latest images linked too from the wiki |
| 16:53.16 | jrockway | should i just build my own, or are there some that are known to work |
| 16:53.28 | torpor | yeah, good point: what image should i put on my new moko? |
| 16:53.35 | jrockway | (the unofficial one sort of worked, but was missing things like the keyboard) |
| 16:54.01 | jrockway | the non-unofficial one from 1 Aug is messed up in other ways |
| 16:54.08 | jrockway | error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: ELF file version does not match current one |
| 16:54.45 | SpeedEvil | did you nand erase? |
| 16:54.54 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[User_talk:Hhf423]] |
| 16:54.59 | bschrock | jrockway non un-official... is that official? |
| 16:55.04 | jrockway | i don't think so |
| 16:55.08 | jrockway | dev.openmoko/tmp :) |
| 16:55.14 | SpeedEvil | loading a smaller image after a larger one, or if you've touched the filesystem may cause this sort of corruption. |
| 16:55.21 | jrockway | ah, ok |
| 16:55.27 | jrockway | i will erase and try again |
| 16:55.28 | jrockway | thanks |
| 16:55.40 | ScaredyCat | 2007.2 or .1 ? |
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| 16:57.26 | lukhas_nowhere | hm, no I have no longer sound |
| 17:00.42 | lukhas_nowhere | bschrock: your init script does not work for me, here |
| 17:00.49 | lukhas_nowhere | (re. bug 704) |
| 17:01.29 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: What does it do? |
| 17:01.31 | lukhas_nowhere | "72: Syntax error: Bad substitution" |
| 17:01.40 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: Let me look at it. |
| 17:02.12 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: I forgot a closing brace on that line |
| 17:02.29 | lukhas_nowhere | indeed, fixed |
| 17:02.46 | lukhas_nowhere | next error then :) |
| 17:02.59 | lukhas_nowhere | $ /etc/init.d/gsmd start |
| 17:02.59 | lukhas_nowhere | GSM device already on... |
| 17:02.59 | lukhas_nowhere | Starting gsmd: /etc/init.d/gsmd: /etc/init.d/gsmd: 128: =: not found |
| 17:02.59 | lukhas_nowhere | sh: 0: unknown operand |
| 17:03.02 | lukhas_nowhere | Failure |
| 17:03.05 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: OK, got a new one uploaded. |
| 17:03.05 | lukhas_nowhere | /etc/init.d/gsmd: return: 128: Illegal number: false |
| 17:03.20 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: The brace missing pretty much screws uo everything after that. |
| 17:04.03 | lukhas_nowhere | ok |
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| 17:04.43 | lukhas_nowhere | I still get all the previous error stuff with your fixed version |
| 17:04.49 | bschrock | hmmm |
| 17:04.52 | bschrock | can you paste it... |
| 17:05.16 | lukhas_nowhere | it's just a few lines above, do you want me to repaste it here ? |
| 17:05.33 | bschrock | hmmm |
| 17:05.34 | bschrock | no |
| 17:06.18 | bschrock | Does anyone here know how I can get a file onto the neo using qemu? |
| 17:06.45 | bschrock | Not using the usb stuff, cause gadgetfs does not work for somereason on my computer here. |
| 17:06.57 | lukhas_nowhere | ssh from the qemu to the host should work, I think |
| 17:07.10 | lukhas_nowhere | though I have no idea if that's usable at all |
| 17:07.21 | spliffy_ | you could inject your file into the image |
| 17:07.34 | spliffy_ | as a last resort |
| 17:07.40 | lukhas_nowhere | yeah, mount the image with -o loop, should work too |
| 17:07.41 | bschrock | spliffy_: Yes, how do I do that? |
| 17:07.50 | lukhas_nowhere | (not while being used by qemu!) |
| 17:07.52 | bschrock | Ahhh, yes, that is what I will do! |
| 17:07.53 | spliffy_ | sould be easy.. dunno |
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| 17:08.46 | torpor | okay .. two reboots later .. |
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| 17:09.37 | torpor | what does status=C mean in Openmoko Flasher? |
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| 17:10.58 | hhf423 | does it actually speed up things if the USB transfer size is upped? |
| 17:11.16 | bschrock | What type of filesystem does the jffs file contain? |
| 17:11.23 | lukhas_nowhere | jffs2 :) |
| 17:11.34 | lukhas_nowhere | that's a fs for flash devices |
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| 17:11.52 | lukhas_nowhere | probably not build by default on your kernel, not very surprising |
| 17:11.53 | hhf423 | a new day, a new image... |
| 17:12.58 | lukhas_nowhere | bschrock: line 48, no $VAR when you assign stuff to VAR |
| 17:14.24 | bschrock | hmmm |
| 17:14.56 | lukhas_nowhere | and that's GSMD_BIN, not GSM_BIN :) |
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| 17:15.15 | lukhas_nowhere | heh, my GSMD_PID is 1337 :) |
| 17:15.23 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: kewl |
| 17:15.24 | bschrock | ! |
| 17:15.42 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: At least your gsmd daemon is eleet! |
| 17:15.49 | lukhas_nowhere | yeah indeed |
| 17:15.59 | wbx | does anyone played with gps? |
| 17:16.01 | mellon_ | Has anyone run into the following error when building glibc-intermediate-2.3.2+cvs20040726 in the 2007.2 build? *** These critical programs are missing or too old: gcc |
| 17:16.01 | Placid | screenie or it didn't happen :D |
| 17:16.02 | ScaredyCat | sound like it's lame at the moment |
| 17:16.04 | torpor | got the boot menu .. (on osx) .. do i now set consule to USB (==DFU?) to do the flash? |
| 17:16.06 | *** part/#openmoko rob_w (n=bob@Mb6c7.m.pppool.de) |
| 17:16.27 | ScaredyCat | cat /dev/fb0 >/media/card/screen.raw |
| 17:16.52 | ScaredyCat | torpor: jsut do the flash... |
| 17:17.01 | ScaredyCat | you don;t need to do anyhting.. |
| 17:17.19 | torpor | on my moko i see options: boot/setconsoletousb/setconsoletoserial/poweroff/bootfromsd/factoryreset. |
| 17:17.24 | torpor | none of those == DFU 'mode' |
| 17:17.40 | lukhas_nowhere | bschrock: I'll send you the fixed version of your script, there were quite a lot of bugs :) |
| 17:17.40 | torpor | and if i just leave it at this menu and then tell the openmoko flahser to flash, it fails. |
| 17:17.41 | ScaredyCat | because the act of pressing aux+power = dfu mode |
| 17:17.45 | torpor | ah, i see. |
| 17:17.49 | torpor | its in dfu mode, i get it. |
| 17:18.12 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: Give me a break, I had to do it all from memory. |
| 17:18.17 | ScaredyCat | if you leave it too long it powers off |
| 17:18.23 | torpor | okay now it is working |
| 17:18.28 | torpor | i guess this takes some minutes, eh? |
| 17:18.32 | ScaredyCat | ys |
| 17:18.34 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 17:18.38 | torpor | and is there an image i should be using instead of 20070803091138? |
| 17:18.56 | torpor | too late, its already on its way .. ;) |
| 17:19.10 | ScaredyCat | 10th is the newest iirc |
| 17:19.18 | torpor | okay nice .. i'm on osx .. |
| 17:19.27 | ScaredyCat | never mind... |
| 17:19.30 | torpor | building openmokomakefile on parallels while the DFU update continues natively.. |
| 17:19.49 | torpor | just wanna report that its possible to have two feet in both boats. ;) |
| 17:20.46 | bschrock | torpor: Only if you are a genetic freak... |
| 17:21.03 | mellon_ | mutants rule! |
| 17:21.14 | mellon_ | We want to live in peace! |
| 17:21.37 | mellon_ | :') |
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| 17:36.27 | bschrock | lukhas_nowhere: thank you for this fexes, I'll test it tonight and then attach it the bug. |
| 17:36.32 | bschrock | fexes==fixes |
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| 17:38.39 | ScaredyCat | fexes are cherman faxes ;) |
| 17:38.43 | lukhas_nowhere | bschrock: you're welcome |
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| 17:38.55 | lukhas_nowhere | thanks for the first version :) |
| 17:39.19 | andylockran | hey guyes |
| 17:39.29 | ckuethe | neeeeeeooooooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 17:39.30 | andylockran | just got back from a three week holiday and am now playing on my neo :) |
| 17:39.37 | ckuethe | i got a tracking number! |
| 17:39.48 | ScaredyCat | yikes! |
| 17:39.51 | ckuethe | and it appears to be headed to the right place! |
| 17:39.57 | ScaredyCat | people are *still* waiting ? |
| 17:40.11 | andylockran | some great stuff has been going on - what's the big news of the last three weeks? |
| 17:40.20 | ScaredyCat | not much... |
| 17:40.45 | ScaredyCat | still no scummvm :( |
| 17:41.12 | woglinde | ScaredyCat??? hm |
| 17:41.22 | woglinde | shouldnt be that hard |
| 17:42.02 | andylockran | dead chuffed I have some stuff working on it now :) |
| 17:42.04 | lukhas_nowhere | where would be the right place to put a small script setting the default alsa state ? (headset, in my case) |
| 17:42.53 | ScaredyCat | woglinde: someone is doing it, just slowly |
| 17:43.02 | lukhas_nowhere | yeah, thanks to all participants of the project |
| 17:43.28 | woglinde | scaredycat hm arent the patches for the gp2x usefull? |
| 17:43.37 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: what is scummvm? |
| 17:44.05 | woglinde | summatusmentis a player/vm for old lucas arts game |
| 17:44.14 | woglinde | like monkey island or zack macracken |
| 17:44.39 | woglinde | day of tentankel |
| 17:44.41 | woglinde | and so on |
| 17:44.50 | torpor | okay cool |
| 17:44.58 | torpor | my moko is booted and the toolchain build is under way |
| 17:45.00 | torpor | time for me to go. |
| 17:45.08 | summatusmentis | woglinde: oh... I thought it had something to do with openmoko |
| 17:45.12 | woglinde | bye torpor |
| 17:45.15 | torpor | thanks for the help guys .. love my moko toy! gonna play for a few days, be back later. . |
| 17:45.37 | woglinde | summatusmentis it has ScaredyCat wants to run it on the neo |
| 17:45.39 | hypa7ia | scummvm = awesome |
| 17:45.59 | ScaredyCat | yeah, I'm stuck with it on the 770 atm :( |
| 17:46.22 | hypa7ia | hmm, i can see that being a little awkward |
| 17:53.48 | summatusmentis | oh, I see |
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| 18:02.00 | nox-Hand | Hai world! |
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| 18:02.30 | anrp | s/ai/ello/ |
| 18:02.31 | anrp | D: |
| 18:04.28 | hhf423 | anrp: you did a win32 dfu util? |
| 18:04.32 | anrp | i did |
| 18:04.38 | anrp | it won't work with the neo though |
| 18:04.40 | nox-Hand | anrp: Way to sed! =) |
| 18:04.44 | hhf423 | cool, where would I find that? |
| 18:04.51 | anrp | the default u-boot build has incorrect USB settings |
| 18:04.54 | anrp | which choked up libusb-win32 |
| 18:04.57 | hhf423 | ah, doh |
| 18:05.08 | anrp | !ombug 701 |
| 18:05.09 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 701, Status: RESOLVED (DUPLICATE), Created: Unknown |
| 18:05.10 | cdbot2 | * * anrp(AT)mit.edu: bInterfaceNumber setting incorrect |
| 18:05.11 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=701 |
| 18:05.15 | anrp | if you're interested |
| 18:05.31 | hhf423 | but its resolved? |
| 18:05.35 | anrp | as a duplicate |
| 18:05.41 | anrp | laforge already knew about it |
| 18:05.48 | hhf423 | good for him |
| 18:05.51 | anrp | i don't think its fixed tho |
| 18:06.21 | hhf423 | ah well, for the moment I have a ubunto live cd wich works fine for flashing |
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| 18:07.32 | anrp | if you really want one, i can probably hack libusb to work around it |
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| 18:10.40 | Markinoko | good evening |
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| 18:14.01 | Markinoko | I was wondering, did anyone try to connect a Bluetooth earpiece to his development neo ? |
| 18:14.28 | Markinoko | ie, does linux have a driver for such things ? |
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| 18:15.12 | rechercher | so my vzw phone just took a major dive, and they are offering to buy me a new one |
| 18:15.35 | rechercher | unfortunately the neo is not an option through them, but any ideas on verizon phones that are linux friendly? |
| 18:15.35 | aloril | rechercher: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:15.45 | Kensan | Markinoko: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bluetooth_Support |
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| 18:16.44 | Markinoko | Kensan: cool, thanks ! |
| 18:17.51 | Kensan | Markinoko: Marcel Holtmann himself was doing some work but I don't know the status. |
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| 18:20.03 | bschrock | Can anyone tell me how to get gllin? |
| 18:21.09 | Vegar | you can't yet |
| 18:21.19 | cjb | bschrock: do you have a Neo? |
| 18:21.21 | bschrock | Some people have it. |
| 18:21.24 | bschrock | Yes I have a neo. |
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| 18:22.19 | cjb | http://chris.printf.net/definitely_not_gllin.tar |
| 18:23.19 | bschrock | TY! |
| 18:23.49 | Vegar | is it out? |
| 18:24.01 | SpeedEvil | No, that is an illegal copy. |
| 18:24.31 | cjb | it's the version that was shipped on the p0 phones. |
| 18:24.59 | Vegar | ok |
| 18:25.28 | anrp | so its half illegal? |
| 18:25.47 | CM | I think it said in some mail that it's ok to distribute, but OM have to build it |
| 18:25.50 | cjb | it is probably illegal. but if it was illegal to redistribute, it is OM who broke the law (first). |
| 18:26.36 | CM | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/008466.html |
| 18:27.04 | SpeedEvil | There is a difference between an accident, and a premeditated act. |
| 18:27.07 | anrp | jul29 |
| 18:27.14 | anrp | mm.. two weeks now |
| 18:27.35 | SpeedEvil | The mail did not say that it's OK to distribute. It said that permission to distribute had not yet been obtained. |
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| 18:28.10 | CM | SpeedEvil: True, I had to find it because I wasn't sure |
| 18:28.40 | hhf423 | I think I must advise the authorities that OpenMoko contains nc |
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| 18:28.53 | torpor | okay folks .. last question before i call it quits .. where do i get the GPS binary? |
| 18:28.56 | woglinde | nc? |
| 18:28.58 | cjb | heh |
| 18:29.09 | woglinde | torpor nowhere |
| 18:29.21 | torpor | really? |
| 18:29.21 | hhf423 | nc can be used for breaking into computers, OpenMoko might be aiding evil haxors |
| 18:29.29 | torpor | there's no way possible to get it somewhere? |
| 18:29.34 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't contain proper nc. |
| 18:29.36 | CM | torpor: It was on some P0 phones |
| 18:29.42 | woglinde | hhf423 a compiler can do this too |
| 18:29.47 | torpor | we (metalab guys) were going to get it from harald at CCC, but i guess that didn't happen .. |
| 18:29.49 | SpeedEvil | It contains the busybox feature-free version. |
| 18:29.50 | Kensan | hhf423: thanks to the "hacker paragraph" ;) |
| 18:30.15 | ScaredyCat | i like to move it move it... |
| 18:30.27 | hhf423 | yes, wait for the state of Germany to sue MS for providing complierz |
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| 18:30.40 | hhf423 | compilerz |
| 18:30.41 | woglinde | even telnet you can use as hackerz tool |
| 18:30.43 | woglinde | so what |
| 18:30.56 | hhf423 | yeah, forget it |
| 18:31.09 | hhf423 | it will all not hold up in court |
| 18:31.20 | woglinde | the paragraph says you have to wanted it |
| 18:31.36 | woglinde | and thats is a grey area |
| 18:31.41 | hhf423 | woglinde: yeah, haha, so prove you did not mean/want it |
| 18:32.24 | ScaredyCat | !seen jadebadger |
| 18:32.25 | cdbot2 | ScaredyCat, I don't remember seeing jadebadger. |
| 18:32.29 | ScaredyCat | !seen jadesparrow |
| 18:32.31 | cdbot2 | ScaredyCat, I don't remember seeing jadesparrow. |
| 18:32.35 | woglinde | hhf423 we will see If the frist case is open |
| 18:32.35 | ScaredyCat | !seen jadesParrot |
| 18:32.37 | cdbot2 | ScaredyCat, I don't remember seeing jadesparrot. |
| 18:32.39 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 18:32.42 | hhf423 | woglinde: you can't. so you will have to pead innocent until proven. but they still could put you in Untersuchungshaft for fun |
| 18:32.54 | CM | !seen future |
| 18:32.57 | cdbot2 | CM, I don't remember seeing future. |
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| 18:33.14 | ScaredyCat | it's jade ...something |
| 18:33.15 | woglinde | hhf423 I have no fear |
| 18:33.28 | woglinde | if you have fear then they have won |
| 18:33.57 | woglinde | choose a good lawyer before and you are done |
| 18:34.05 | hhf423 | I have no fear, my wife is a lawyer |
| 18:34.15 | CM | !seen JadeFalcon |
| 18:34.39 | cdbot2 | JadeFalcon (n=jadefalc@ip132-085.adsl.ch.inter.net) was last seen quitting from #openmoko 19 hours, 36 minutes ago stating (Remote closed the connection). |
| 18:34.39 | mwester | hhf423: Above all others, YOU should be frightened! :p |
| 18:35.02 | hhf423 | and the two witnesses to the marriage were lawyers |
| 18:35.13 | hhf423 | I am beyond fear |
| 18:35.30 | ScaredyCat | I knew it was jade... |
| 18:35.37 | hhf423 | been there, done fear, so whats next? |
| 18:35.50 | torpor | okay rockin' .. |
| 18:35.56 | torpor | now my openmoko hacking is complete. |
| 18:36.01 | torpor | thanks folks. be back in a few days .. |
| 18:36.02 | torpor | later. |
| 18:36.03 | hhf423 | ooh, a new image |
| 18:36.07 | woglinde | bye torpor |
| 18:36.14 | ScaredyCat | can i has a scummvm ? |
| 18:36.38 | woglinde | lol |
| 18:36.40 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: scummvm is a user feature: if the user wants it, the user writes it |
| 18:36.50 | pH5 | ScaredyCat: what's up with scummvm, doesn't the version in OE work? |
| 18:36.59 | anrp | and ceased to be a user at that point D: |
| 18:37.03 | anrp | *s |
| 18:37.08 | ScaredyCat | pH5: sdl deps |
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| 18:38.21 | hhf423 | cool, if I get to flash two images per day, I will believe there is progress |
| 18:38.53 | woglinde | lol |
| 18:39.01 | woglinde | hhf423 you are pessimist |
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| 18:39.19 | ScaredyCat | pH5: jadefalcon is fixing it ... |
| 18:39.31 | ScaredyCat | personally I blame Kensan... |
| 18:39.39 | hhf423 | woglinde: thats good. Optimists get themselfs killed on their own, pessimists you have to go kill |
| 18:39.54 | speerschleuder | hello |
| 18:40.00 | frma | ScaredyCat: Compiled and ran scummwm a couple of hours ago, no problems ! |
| 18:40.00 | speerschleuder | <-- NooN |
| 18:40.13 | woglinde | frma nice |
| 18:40.17 | ScaredyCat | using bitbake ? |
| 18:40.24 | frma | ScaredyCat: xrand -o right before starting it |
| 18:40.31 | hhf423 | is there a reason why the OpenMoko GUI does not connect to gsmd? I always get the "?" next to the antenna |
| 18:40.38 | frma | ScaredyCat: yep ! in 2007.2 |
| 18:40.44 | juri_ | paranoid pessimists know you're going to kill them, and theres nothing they can do about it. |
| 18:40.50 | ScaredyCat | the recipe in .1 is broken |
| 18:41.09 | hhf423 | juri_: they know I am in fact a ninja? |
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| 18:41.40 | frma | ScaredyCat: Beneath a steel sky run excellent, with sound and everything, but right-clicking is kind of hard :) |
| 18:41.49 | hhf423 | this kinetic scrolling is sooo cool |
| 18:42.24 | ScaredyCat | .2 is just broken though still isn;t it? |
| 18:42.39 | woglinde | dont know |
| 18:42.39 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: define "broken" |
| 18:42.51 | ScaredyCat | broken: does fuck all |
| 18:42.58 | ScaredyCat | in terms of gsm/gps |
| 18:43.05 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: I would call the .2 I just flashed broken, but so I would everything else I have flashed so far |
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| 18:43.07 | frma | ScaredyCat: Everything built for me, all the openmoko stuff did not end up in the image though... |
| 18:43.21 | speerschleuder | hello ph5 |
| 18:43.35 | mintee_ | is there a page on the wiki that explains what you should do when you FIRST get your package in? |
| 18:43.35 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: if you have seen images which are NOT broken, I'd be very interested |
| 18:43.46 | pH5 | hej speerschleuder |
| 18:43.53 | ScaredyCat | o, I haven't hence me running .1 |
| 18:43.56 | anrp | i've never had gsm/gprs work for me through the interface |
| 18:44.01 | anrp | but i chalk that up to my bad luck |
| 18:44.05 | bschrock | mintee_: It should be on the card that says Assembly Required. |
| 18:44.08 | hhf423 | mintee_: hook the Neo up to a Linux box via usb and let the battery charge |
| 18:44.11 | speerschleuder | ph5 do you come to the other #? |
| 18:44.11 | aloril | speerschleuder: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:44.24 | anrp | lol |
| 18:44.29 | woglinde | hihi |
| 18:44.30 | bschrock | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973: But you can start here... |
| 18:44.32 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: which .1 are you running exactly which is not broken? |
| 18:44.43 | mintee_ | bschrock, hhf423, thanks |
| 18:44.51 | mintee_ | D'oh |
| 18:44.52 | mintee_ | heh |
| 18:45.13 | woglinde | hm scummvm is on oe |
| 18:45.18 | woglinde | didnt check this before |
| 18:45.35 | ozarka | mintee: I got mine last night. It didn't take me long to get it running. |
| 18:45.41 | ScaredyCat | ones I built hhf423 |
| 18:45.41 | ozarka | Good luck. |
| 18:46.08 | mintee_ | ozarka, ah, Mine is coming in this Thursday. I just wanna get a head start |
| 18:46.09 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: can you point me to the images? |
| 18:46.30 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/ |
| 18:46.38 | ozarka | Hardest part for me was getting the back off for the battery. Seriously. |
| 18:47.10 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: and you can do calls with that? |
| 18:47.20 | ScaredyCat | yes |
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| 18:47.42 | hhf423 | is it still true that a nand erase is required if the image is smaller than the previous? |
| 18:47.44 | ScaredyCat | the call history works too :) |
| 18:47.48 | ScaredyCat | yes |
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| 18:48.23 | hhf423 | darn, there does not seem to be a terminal program to access serial on this ubunto live cd |
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| 18:48.52 | SpeedEvil | hhf423: cu, minicom? |
| 18:49.32 | hhf423 | both not there |
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| 18:50.36 | mintee_ | anyone tried using a typical usb charger... from something like xv6700 ? |
| 18:50.47 | mintee_ | i donno what the mA's are off hand |
| 18:50.54 | SpeedEvil | min: irrelevant |
| 18:51.07 | SpeedEvil | the problem is that the neo won't draw the available curent. |
| 18:51.32 | SpeedEvil | see Neo1973 Charging |
| 18:51.37 | SpeedEvil | on the wiki |
| 18:51.53 | mintee_ | righ |
| 18:51.54 | mintee_ | t |
| 18:51.59 | ScaredyCat | oh |
| 18:52.03 | ScaredyCat | so that |
| 18:52.04 | ScaredyCat | works |
| 18:54.35 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Hhf423]] [[P1_Owners]] |
| 18:55.33 | Kensan | ScaredyCat: what do you blame me for? |
| 18:55.45 | ScaredyCat | scummvm ;) |
| 18:56.21 | Kensan | I currently have no server to put it. |
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| 18:56.34 | hhf423 | awww, there is cu, right under advanced |
| 18:57.09 | woglinde | ScaredyCat hehe |
| 18:57.30 | Kensan | JadeFalcon created the menu entries etc with "auto-rotate" etc and mapping AUX to F5 so you can actually exit scummvm ;) |
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| 18:59.04 | woglinde | so scummmvm needs touchscreen support? |
| 18:59.16 | Kensan | ScaredyCat: I need to get going but I can send the tarball to you tomorrow. |
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| 18:59.34 | ScaredyCat | ok. thanks Kensan |
| 18:59.52 | Kensan | woglinde: it works "out-of-the-box" but you need the F5-key so the ScummVM-menu appears ingame |
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| 19:00.31 | Kensan | it's brilliant btw :) Played tom Day of the Tentacle and the screen makes it a real joy to play :) |
| 19:00.41 | Kensan | ^ some |
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| 19:02.22 | Kensan | ScaredyCat: well got to go, catch me tomorrow. |
| 19:02.33 | ScaredyCat | ok, will do.. |
| 19:03.08 | lukhas_nowhere | is it possible to surf on the web with the neo phone, using usb/ether and sharing the connection ? |
| 19:03.43 | zecke | lukhas_nowhere: there is only 'web' installed, but yes you can do masquerading and then share the connection |
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| 19:03.56 | lukhas_nowhere | ok |
| 19:04.01 | lukhas_nowhere | let's try then :) |
| 19:05.23 | zecke | mickey|dinner: which image would you flash nowadays? |
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| 19:06.33 | mickey|dinner | zecke: hmm, the most recent one? |
| 19:06.49 | mickey|dinner | zecke: one of my builds should be finished in about one hour |
| 19:06.54 | mickey|dinner | zecke: i can upload it, if you want |
| 19:07.04 | bkruse | Whats up friends |
| 19:07.09 | SpeedEvil | Or just use ssh, with sshd on the phone doing the SOX proxying. |
| 19:07.25 | zecke | mickey|dinner: is the one from the 8th of august okay? |
| 19:07.36 | mickey|dinner | zecke: no, we fixed a lot of bugs since then |
| 19:08.06 | SpeedEvil | SOCKS |
| 19:08.13 | zecke | mickey|dinner: did jan upload his image? |
| 19:08.27 | mickey|dinner | zecke: no idea. if you need one _now_, wait a couple of minutes |
| 19:08.35 | mickey|dinner | let me search one |
| 19:08.57 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.38 | woglinde | zecke yours? |
| 19:10.12 | mickey|dinner | uploading... |
| 19:10.14 | mickey|dinner | ETA 6 minutes |
| 19:10.32 | zecke | woglinde: it has my name tag ;) |
| 19:10.41 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: ok, its flashing your image now, lets see if that is less broken :-) |
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| 19:11.24 | lukhas_nowhere | ok, "Web" is nice, but I'd rather have a Minimo :) |
| 19:11.43 | lukhas_nowhere | the page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Minimo is quite short, is that the only doc available ? |
| 19:12.05 | zecke | lukhas_nowhere: start web and launch a forkbomb ;) |
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| 19:13.07 | woglinde | zecke I will meld your blender with a zippo |
| 19:13.26 | zecke | woglinde: dummes menschenkind! |
| 19:14.17 | SpeedEvil | Context: I am now on a 128M laptop, I have 30 FF tabs open. |
| 19:14.52 | hhf423 | mickey|dinner: you have a .2 image which will dial? :-) |
| 19:14.55 | Writchie | only 43? how many pdf's open |
| 19:14.55 | zecke | SpeedEvil: what does xrestop say? |
| 19:15.13 | mickey|dinner | hhf423: no idea. didn't test that |
| 19:15.16 | mickey|dinner | probably not |
| 19:15.20 | mickey|dinner | gsmd still having problems |
| 19:15.40 | hhf423 | ok |
| 19:15.41 | SpeedEvil | 1200000 315 44 1 217 146 23924K 12K 23937K 2971 Solar cell - W |
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| 19:16.41 | zecke | SpeedEvil: 24mb for 30 tabs, that isn't bad in the mozilla terms |
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| 19:16.51 | SpeedEvil | They are mostly text tabs. |
| 19:17.09 | SpeedEvil | I keep meaning to do an extension to blank images on switchaway from a tab. |
| 19:17.29 | mickey|dinner | zecke: done. people.openmoko.org/mickey/images |
| 19:17.35 | zecke | awesome :) |
| 19:18.04 | thomasg__ | SpeedEvil, you are talking about minimo? |
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| 19:18.18 | SpeedEvil | no, ff |
| 19:18.25 | SpeedEvil | 1.5 |
| 19:18.38 | thomasg__ | wow. 24mb is impressive |
| 19:18.46 | thomasg__ | my ff sucks as much ram as he can get :) |
| 19:18.51 | SpeedEvil | that's not RAM, that's xresources |
| 19:19.04 | zecke | thomasg__: that is stuff loaded into the xserver by ff |
| 19:19.11 | zecke | but that is still good in terms of firefox |
| 19:19.14 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 19:19.30 | SpeedEvil | I can't imagine using more than 3 or 4 tabs on the neo. |
| 19:20.22 | thomasg__ | 100 mb with 15 tabs right now |
| 19:20.29 | Writchie | my windows firefox is only using 300MB with 43 tabs open |
| 19:20.34 | ckuethe | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.41 | thomasg__ | ah, ok |
| 19:20.41 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2702 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (openmoko-logo.patch series): kernel: remove openmoko-logo.patch, we're going to do in the .bb recipe in a much simpler way |
| 19:21.03 | SpeedEvil | It seems lots saner on my 128M lappy, for some reason. |
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| 19:21.14 | thomasg__ | so that is one of the reasons why X takes so much ram, too? |
| 19:23.31 | ckuethe | 32541 _x11 2 0 46M 69M sleep select 130:07 1.71% Xorg |
| 19:24.03 | ckuethe | lots of buffers, i'd imagine |
| 19:24.28 | Shoragan | mickeyl, how are you going to do the logo? |
| 19:26.14 | woglinde | shoragan suprise sursprise? |
| 19:28.41 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: ok, right, your image actually registers with the network and everything. When I get my new SIM I probably can even make calls. |
| 19:28.52 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: but SMS does not work, right? |
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| 19:29.23 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: your image actually was the first image that asked me for my PIN :-) |
| 19:29.36 | Shoragan | mickeyl, if you want to generate the image while building keep in mind that the full 480x640 doesn't work |
| 19:29.47 | Shoragan | 480x500 does, though |
| 19:29.48 | El_Salvador2 | <SpeedEvil> I can't imagine using more than 3 or 4 tabs on the neo. |
| 19:29.58 | El_Salvador2 | with webkit? |
| 19:30.06 | SpeedEvil | No, with FF. |
| 19:30.31 | zecke | Shoragan: hey, did you return safely? |
| 19:30.32 | El_Salvador2 | but neo's browser will use webkit :P |
| 19:30.39 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
| 19:30.54 | daMaestro | i got the feedreader to go online.... it worked much, much better then the browser ever has |
| 19:30.54 | daMaestro | lol |
| 19:31.22 | woglinde | damaestro hail zecke |
| 19:31.48 | lukhas_nowhere | is there a way I can separate the speaker outpout from the headphones output? |
| 19:32.04 | jeddy3 | has anyone tried a standard 2.5mm->3.5mm stereoadapter to headphones with neo? |
| 19:32.28 | jeddy3 | lukhas_nowhere: in alsamixer select "amp mode: headphones" |
| 19:33.04 | lukhas_nowhere | jeddy3: thanks! |
| 19:33.08 | jeddy3 | lukhas_nowhere: ...or amp mode: speakers, if you want only speakers :) |
| 19:33.16 | El_Salvador2 | PCW: Is there a planned list of applications that will ship with the consumer version in October? In particular, which Web browser, e-mail client, and calendar will it ship with? |
| 19:33.16 | El_Salvador2 | OpenMoko: Yes, we do have a list. |
| 19:33.16 | El_Salvador2 | As for particulars, we write the interface ourselves, but a lot of the base code comes from existing FOSS [Free and Open Source Software] projects. E-mail will be based on the TinyMail framework. Our browser is based on WebKit (the same stuff that Safari is using). |
| 19:33.22 | lukhas_nowhere | nice :) |
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| 19:35.39 | juri_ | uhm. |
| 19:35.41 | juri_ | WTF. |
| 19:35.50 | juri_ | who do i speak to reguarding shipping issues? |
| 19:36.01 | ewon | heh |
| 19:36.02 | daMaestro | UPS? |
| 19:37.02 | juri_ | aparently, my openmoko is getting shipped to.. germany. |
| 19:37.27 | juri_ | its nice of them to ship it and all, but i'm in the US. ;) |
| 19:37.39 | ckuethe | you wouldn't be the first person to get the wrong tracking number... |
| 19:37.55 | juri_ | no, its the right tracking number.. they have the city name correct. |
| 19:38.09 | zecke | lol |
| 19:39.37 | ckuethe | IIRC there are cities named Edmonton in .ca, .us, and .uk |
| 19:40.01 | juri_ | aparently, theres a "rogers" in germany. ;) |
| 19:40.59 | jeddy3 | aawh...this sucks...I just assumed a regular 2.5mm->3.5mm stereoconnector would work...seems like microfone+right channel is wired on standard left+right :( |
| 19:41.38 | SpeedEvil | there are two connector pinouts |
| 19:41.58 | jeddy3 | SpeedEvil: sorry? |
| 19:42.12 | SpeedEvil | two four-pin headset variants |
| 19:42.31 | Writchie | i think neo uses Motorola style |
| 19:42.45 | jeddy3 | yeah |
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| 19:43.34 | jeddy3 | i assumed the extra microfone pin would be wired alongside standard left+right |
| 19:43.42 | jeddy3 | not instead of left :P |
| 19:44.48 | jeddy3 | in standard as in "stereo standard", apparently there are variants for headsets also |
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| 19:46.27 | jeddy3 | so apparently stereoadapter doensn't work, or am i missing something obvious? |
| 19:53.52 | ferric | man, I almsot bought an iPhone today. |
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| 19:54.34 | Stephmw | ferric: narrow escape |
| 19:54.50 | ckuethe | stay where you are - we'll send out a de-brainwashing team right away |
| 19:54.57 | ferric | Stephmw: indeed. i lost my blackberry in a cab, and almost tipped over the wrong way. |
| 19:55.03 | ferric | ckuethe: haha |
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| 19:55.25 | anrp | uh oh, an apple user! |
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| 19:57.33 | don-o | someone get that man an open source licence |
| 19:57.42 | summatusmentis | nothing wrong with apple users |
| 19:57.50 | summatusmentis | but iPhone users... different story |
| 19:58.13 | summatusmentis | I love my MacBook ;-) |
| 20:00.17 | thomasg__ | I love my tiny black(!) thinkpad :) |
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| 20:01.59 | Stephmw | thomasg__: how's the keyboard? |
| 20:02.30 | thomasg__ | of the thinkpad? |
| 20:02.31 | don-o | i see the next step past the openmoko is the gumstix speaking bluetooth to a twiddler keyboard and a monocle eye-glass mounted display. |
| 20:02.56 | Stephmw | thomasg__: aye |
| 20:02.57 | juri_ | don-o: working on a monocle here. ;) |
| 20:03.11 | ME-tan | damn i joined the right channel |
| 20:03.17 | thomasg__ | Stephmw, pretty good as all older (and maybe also all new) thinkpad's keyboards |
| 20:03.20 | ME-tan | wearables <3 |
| 20:03.37 | don-o | wearables <4 |
| 20:04.32 | ME-tan | and i only connected to find out whether the gta02 would be likely to make reliable phone calls and texts |
| 20:04.49 | don-o | ME-tan: of course. its the consumer version. |
| 20:04.50 | Writchie | sorry, it can't do that yet |
| 20:04.51 | ME-tan | because I am one of the people in that orderly queue waiting for it... |
| 20:04.54 | ferric | I think thinkpad keyboards have definitely gone down in quality with lenovo's cost cutting. |
| 20:04.58 | ferric | the macbook keyboard is nice. |
| 20:05.09 | don-o | ME-tan: oh wait i might have gta02 mixed up with P2. sorry. |
| 20:05.17 | ferric | the iphone is nice but... 2 years and $600? :( |
| 20:05.26 | ME-tan | thats what i meant, i'm waiting for the consumer verison |
| 20:05.44 | ME-tan | as I gather there are no plans to have a 3g version |
| 20:05.58 | ME-tan | well, yet |
| 20:06.14 | thomasg__ | Stephmw, but the best thing of the thinkpads is the trackpoint: forget those ugly touchpads and so on |
| 20:06.16 | don-o | juri_: were you kidding about the monocle? i'd really like to see one thats in the range of affordability |
| 20:06.24 | hhf423 | ME-tan: 3g in 2008 |
| 20:06.40 | don-o | the eraser-mouse is very cool. |
| 20:06.52 | ME-tan | damn, tempting... the question is should I wait for it.... |
| 20:07.32 | ME-tan | nah best pointing device was the trackball in the original libretto. Ball on one side of the device and buttons on the other side |
| 20:07.33 | hhf423 | ME-tan: depends on how happy you are with the phone you have |
| 20:07.42 | anrp | eraser mouse? |
| 20:07.46 | anrp | that's what it's called these days |
| 20:08.03 | thomasg__ | ferric, and if you take the amout of the monthly fees included for the iphone in the plan you will have paid more than $1000 for the phone without really knowing it |
| 20:08.25 | ME-tan | currently running a 6680. Good phone and I have loaded it with lots of 3rd party stuff but some things do irk me |
| 20:08.41 | don-o | thomasg__: true but the moko monthly fees arent a whole lot less than $60/mo, IMHO |
| 20:09.21 | thomasg__ | don-o, what fees do you mean? $450/24month = $18 per month |
| 20:09.35 | cjb | thomasg__: he is pointing out that your Moko is not usable without a contract either. |
| 20:09.40 | thomasg__ | + plan you might be at about 30 to 40 $ (however you want) |
| 20:09.50 | cjb | so it is disingenuous to compare iPhone+contract to moko-contract. |
| 20:09.56 | cjb | you should compare to moko+contract. |
| 20:10.01 | thomasg__ | and thats the point: you can chose how much you want to pay |
| 20:10.14 | ferric | thomasg__: i have used it though, and it is the best of closed gadget porn that you can get :) |
| 20:10.15 | don-o | thomasg__: i agree there is much more flexability when using an unlocked gsm phone |
| 20:10.24 | cjb | thomasg__: "I wish to pay $5/mo!" "Well, you can't." "Oh. :((" |
| 20:10.43 | thomasg__ | btw - in germany you don't need plans, you can pay what you use, not only what you think you will use (post-paid vs. pre-paid) |
| 20:10.45 | cjb | thomasg__: yeah, the short answer is (a) we agree, in general, (b) be less rabid. |
| 20:10.46 | ME-tan | the FIC does win more geek points certainly. I thought the iphone was going to not support operator locks anyway... |
| 20:10.54 | don-o | cjb ftw |
| 20:11.16 | cjb | :) |
| 20:11.42 | thomasg__ | cjb, I can get contracts for less than $5/mo without a problem here in germany - and germany is far more expensive than the states are e.g. |
| 20:11.50 | ME-tan | the plans are good in the uk but only one operator has a decent flat rate data plan at the moment |
| 20:12.08 | Stephmw | ME-tan: who? |
| 20:12.29 | Stephmw | ME-tan: atm my data usage is rolled into my free minutes with O2 |
| 20:12.31 | ME-tan | the others so far are limiting you to 120mb a month. I use more than that surfing bash.org in text only mode on the train and sshing in to connect to my irssi session |
| 20:12.52 | summatusmentis | afaik, in the US, you can't buy a data plan without buying a speech plan |
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| 20:13.04 | ME-tan | Stephmw: t-mobile web&walk business package =££30 a month with a datacard |
| 20:13.16 | ME-tan | that is a data only plan |
| 20:13.20 | Stephmw | 'k |
| 20:13.30 | Stephmw | damnit |
| 20:13.33 | ME-tan | well, it can do voice but they charge you for it. They supply you with a 3g datacard not a phone |
| 20:14.38 | ME-tan | in fact as i have the page open http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/internet/laptop/webnwalk-internet/12mth-webnwalk-plus/ |
| 20:15.22 | ME-tan | reviews from my coworkers so far seem positive for signal and service so i'm planning to get that, work out the APN config then get the FIC |
| 20:17.05 | ME-tan | i'm tempted to get the lunchbox but i know i'm too much of a noob to use the dev kit... |
| 20:17.09 | pavelm | Hello, everyone! |
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| 20:17.51 | pavelm | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ ... but the latest image is from aug03. |
| 20:17.55 | pavelm | ...are there newer images? |
| 20:18.29 | Writchie | http://people.openmoko.org/mickey/images/ |
| 20:18.38 | Markinoko | ME-tan: I'm pretty sure you service provider would give you the APN config without even complaining |
| 20:18.49 | pavelm | thanks, writchie. |
| 20:19.02 | pavelm | It would be nice to get calls to work... |
| 20:19.14 | Writchie | haven't tested it yet |
| 20:19.27 | Writchie | i'm asuming you mean calls from the gui |
| 20:20.18 | pavelm | writchie: it worked at one point... and with some hacks, I even got it to play mp3 on incoming call. |
| 20:20.48 | Writchie | would be nice to have one sort of stable demo image. |
| 20:20.49 | ME-tan | Markinoko: you're supposed to run their special software and they can be a pain. When I got my first s60 phone it took me weeks of emailing between myself and vodafone support to get the config to use internet on it (they configged it for WAP only as they thought that was the only thing i'd ever use). I ended up working it out by getting it out of their laptop software and then emailing _them_ the correct config |
| 20:21.05 | ME-tan | this was a few years ago though |
| 20:22.08 | Markinoko | ME-tan: I do work with operators and I don't think it's true anymore. At least not with SFR (vodaphone france) |
| 20:22.30 | pavelm | ME: vodafone is pretty bad, then. We even have special "data support" line that has half of a clue. |
| 20:22.44 | Writchie | in many countries the operator is able to do little more than send you an sms OTA |
| 20:23.06 | woglinde | hi pavelm |
| 20:23.11 | Markinoko | Writchie: or give you the info on their web site |
| 20:23.24 | Markinoko | that's what most do here in addition to the sms |
| 20:23.37 | Writchie | many have nothing on their website |
| 20:24.00 | Writchie | re: configurations |
| 20:24.00 | Markinoko | hmm, that's a shame |
| 20:24.26 | Writchie | in the U.S. they think only in terms of their phones and their services described in their marketing speak |
| 20:24.50 | Writchie | they never heard of an APN |
| 20:25.29 | Writchie | fortunately, it won't be long that NEO configs can be worked out for every operator |
| 20:25.34 | ME-tan | I'm used to dealing with APNs as I support crackberrys for a living :( |
| 20:26.20 | ME-tan | the US phone system does seem a little backward |
| 20:26.26 | Writchie | little? |
| 20:26.49 | ME-tan | i heard some people pay for recieving calls? |
| 20:26.54 | Writchie | and sms |
| 20:27.00 | Markinoko | ME-tan: ow, crackberrys, so you're part of the evil RIM empire |
| 20:27.14 | ME-tan | we plan here where you get credited when you recieve a call :) |
| 20:27.21 | ME-tan | had a* |
| 20:27.21 | pavelm | hi, woglinde! |
| 20:27.37 | ME-tan | nah I work tech support and the users have them |
| 20:28.32 | ME-tan | at least they usually work unlike the push email enabled HTC devices we trialled |
| 20:28.36 | pavelm | writchie: t0mobile cz people were willing/able to tcpdump for me... |
| 20:28.46 | ME-tan | those were about as stable as an irc chick |
| 20:28.55 | ozarka | Markinoko: I'm part of the evil RIM Empire. |
| 20:29.12 | ozarka | I write J2ME BlackBerry applications for work. :-) |
| 20:29.23 | Writchie | there are a couple of internal t-mobile support groups that are very helpful |
| 20:29.24 | ozarka | (Not an employee of RIM) |
| 20:29.25 | Markinoko | pavelm: every operator is _able_ to use a tracephone. I'm surprised they did it for a customer |
| 20:29.58 | ME-tan | i should learn to code. Might make me less of a idiot that goes onto forums and irc to ask noobtastic questions |
| 20:30.09 | Markinoko | ozarka: does it hurt ? ;-) |
| 20:30.24 | raynet | ozarka: great, then you wouldn't mind testing j2me blackberry i've ported/porting |
| 20:31.08 | Markinoko | ME-tan: sys admins don't code (much) but still are able to do things. Being able to code is not the aswer to all problems |
| 20:31.18 | ME-tan | true but I cn |
| 20:31.23 | ME-tan | can see how it would help |
| 20:31.26 | ozarka | Markinoko: You get used to the pain. |
| 20:31.37 | Markinoko | ME-tan: playing with your neo will be a good way of learning a lot. |
| 20:31.59 | ME-tan | heh, possibly. I should play with my zaurus more then |
| 20:32.23 | ozarka | raynet: I'll be happy to help. Not many of us out there so we have to stick together. |
| 20:32.47 | Markinoko | ME-tan: well, I don't remember the zaurus comming with a debug bord. You have more risks of bricking it without being able to do anything |
| 20:33.05 | raynet | ozarka: cause i dont have access to blackberrys |
| 20:33.15 | raynet | ozarka: and dont wanna ship my product with 'it worked in emu' |
| 20:33.17 | ME-tan | depends if I can do anything with a debug board |
| 20:33.54 | ME-tan | bearing in mind the only thing i've done is make a set of traffic lights in a 6805 micro so long ago i have no idea how i did it |
| 20:34.14 | ME-tan | shame I dont know where the traffic lights went, they rocked |
| 20:34.14 | Markinoko | ME-tan: the wiki and the lists are a good place to learn how to handle that. It's not that hard realy |
| 20:34.21 | Markinoko | :-) |
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| 20:35.28 | ME-tan | i gather it would show me how h |
| 20:35.35 | ME-tan | how the proc was thinking |
| 20:35.45 | ME-tan | and damnit i keep hitting enter instead of backspace |
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| 20:37.52 | docdoc | hi all whats thetopic |
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| 20:38.11 | doc|work | evening all |
| 20:39.04 | doc|work | I just got my hands on a potentially bricked treo 650, and I've seen someone has installed open moko on it. I'm not sure just how bricked it is though. I'm getting the multicoloured screen with the bootloader version number I think. Anyone know if it's recoverable? |
| 20:39.22 | doc|work | sorry, installed it on *a* treo 650, not this specific one |
| 20:40.35 | docdoc | exit |
| 20:41.15 | docdoc | ewhat is the topic curently |
| 20:41.35 | doc|work | docdoc: type /topic |
| 20:42.33 | docdoc | type /topic |
| 20:42.53 | raynet | humm, perhaps, 'soldout at openmoko.com, sale at ebay.com' might be more true |
| 20:43.17 | mwester | hehe |
| 20:43.34 | ME-tan | laff |
| 20:44.30 | raynet | also, Neo is so small that we need to make AD photos with a child's hand or something. it is tiny in my huuge hand |
| 20:44.40 | pavelm | Markinoko: yes, they were _really_ trying to be helpful. But that's long time ago. |
| 20:48.07 | ME-tan | some perspective photos with something like a coke can would be nice |
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| 20:50.01 | mellon_ | Japanese-style or American-style coke can? |
| 20:50.44 | ozarka | Compared to some of the other iFones out there -- like the HTC Touch -- the Neo is big. |
| 20:50.56 | ME-tan | i honestly had no idea there was a difference in coke cans |
| 20:51.45 | ozarka | Neo also has a lot of space between the screen and the edges. |
| 20:51.48 | pavelm | neo is as big as siemens sx1... that's quite big. |
| 20:52.40 | xkr47 | ozarka, yeah, I like it that way :) |
| 20:53.01 | xkr47 | I think a thick cover shields the machine better |
| 20:53.10 | xkr47 | I've had my share of phones not taking normal use |
| 20:53.41 | pavelm | ozarka: hopefully, production hardware will look better. |
| 20:53.46 | ozarka | xkr47: seems like wasted space to me |
| 20:53.53 | xkr47 | heh |
| 20:53.54 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Wishlist:Auto_Align_Map]] [[User_talk:Hhf423]] |
| 20:54.13 | xkr47 | of course it doesn't look like a business phone yet.. those need to be sleek, metal covered |
| 20:54.25 | ozarka | One thing for sure, every cell phone design is wrong. |
| 20:54.54 | ewon | that HTC with the slide out keyboard, or perhaps the nokia communicator, is about as good as it gets for me |
| 20:55.08 | anrp | japanese coke cans are much more hefty |
| 20:55.10 | juri_ | nokia 770 for me. ;) |
| 20:55.14 | ozarka | I don't want a business phone. I like my orange creamsicle Neo. |
| 20:55.18 | anrp | also, i liked the half liter aluminum bottles |
| 20:55.19 | ME-tan | xkr47: not always, most nokia business phones also come in black/gunmetal. The black Neo looks prettu sweet |
| 20:55.27 | anrp | also liked the non-hfcs but i digress... |
| 20:55.40 | ewon | if a phone has wifi, it should have a keyboard, imho |
| 20:55.42 | ME-tan | i'm getting the black one |
| 20:55.46 | xkr47 | if it was all red, it could have been "the red pill" ;D |
| 20:55.54 | ME-tan | bahaha |
| 20:56.06 | ozarka | I don't like things that slide. |
| 20:56.08 | ME-tan | can always get a second set of plastics and spray one |
| 20:56.16 | xkr47 | ewon, if they only made freedom mini still |
| 20:56.16 | ozarka | See what I mean? All design is wrong. |
| 20:56.22 | xkr47 | now they have some freedom mini gps :P |
| 20:56.39 | ozarka | Wrong shape, color, keyboard, screen. Wrong for somebody. |
| 20:56.42 | xkr47 | ozarka, yeah.. diy :) |
| 20:57.46 | xkr47 | unfortunately I have no knowledge of what kind of effect paint has on radio transmission, so I don't dare paint mine yet ;) |
| 20:57.57 | ME-tan | bugger all effect |
| 20:58.21 | Writchie | it will likely affect the gps |
| 20:58.27 | ME-tan | if I can get a signal on the tube i can get a signal through a little paint |
| 20:59.00 | Writchie | could be good or bad effect, depending on whether this was already taken into account |
| 20:59.02 | xkr47 | well surely the tube affectes the signal too ;) |
| 20:59.30 | ME-tan | yeah it isn't a great signal and only when the tunnels aren't too deep |
| 20:59.49 | ME-tan | they are going to introduce cell transmitters down there soon |
| 21:00.59 | ME-tan | i may not be a good tech but I have a thing for GSM tech |
| 21:01.25 | ME-tan | well, i know things just not anything that i can make money out of |
| 21:03.25 | nibbler_de | pavelm: but the display has far more than the double resolution ;) |
| 21:03.41 | nibbler_de | pavelm: openmoko: 640*480, SX1: 176x220... |
| 21:04.32 | ynezz | rwhitby: http://pastebin.com/m4a693c35 (MokoMakefile issue) |
| 21:05.59 | ynezz | i just removed that problematic line, but it could be a problem for others... |
| 21:07.22 | ynezz | ls |
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| 21:11.34 | pavelm | nibbler: Yep, sx1 is old design. It is still too big. At least it is sunglight readable. |
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| 21:32.32 | doc|work | anyone got an answer to my question? |
| 21:34.55 | adminjs | what question? |
| 21:35.09 | doc|work | I just got my hands on a potentially bricked treo 650, and I've seen someone has installed open moko on it. I'm not sure just how bricked it is though. I'm getting the multicoloured screen with the bootloader version number I think. Anyone know if it's recoverable? |
| 21:35.33 | doc|work | oh, and, openmoko's not installed on this phone, I meant other treo 650s |
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| 21:37.09 | SpeedEvil | Well. |
| 21:37.18 | SpeedEvil | I would find the someone, and talk to them. |
| 21:38.30 | pavelm | Hi, speed! |
| 21:38.34 | doc|work | fair point, though they may not have suitably bricked theirs :) |
| 21:38.43 | SpeedEvil | Hi! |
| 21:38.58 | SpeedEvil | doc: no - but they presumably know how to work thte boootloader in the normal condition. |
| 21:40.18 | pavelm | there should be documentation how to do that somewhere... |
| 21:40.30 | pavelm | but it mey be easier to bring it into "normal" condition, first. |
| 21:43.58 | ynezz | rwhitby: another one http://pastebin.com/m69490623 (with fix also) |
| 21:43.58 | doc|work | pavelm: hmmm, ok, thanks |
| 21:44.53 | ozarka | Last night I unboxed my Neo and flashed with the images from: |
| 21:44.57 | ozarka | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/latest/ |
| 21:45.30 | frma | I sent an email to help@brokenmoko.org, and received the reply Delivery to the following recipient has been delayed: |
| 21:45.30 | frma | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.30 | frma | Message will be retried for 2 more day(s) |
| 21:45.30 | frma | Technical details of temporary failure: |
| 21:45.30 | frma | TEMP_FAILURE: DNS Error: Could not contact DNS servers |
| 21:45.41 | ozarka | Are there better, newer images to use? |
| 21:45.42 | frma | ... anyone else getting trough ? |
| 21:45.58 | ynezz | eh, brokenmoko? |
| 21:46.04 | ynezz | funny :p |
| 21:46.24 | pavelm | doc: I mean... unbricking treo should be doable in most mobile repair shops, at reasonable price. |
| 21:46.28 | frma | ozarka: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing |
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| 21:46.42 | rwhitby | frma: do you really think there is going to be someone behind a help email address at openmoko for a developer release? use the mailing lists. |
| 21:46.44 | pavelm | ozarka: try http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ |
| 21:48.51 | pavelm | ozarka: there's even newer version somewhere. |
| 21:49.06 | ozarka | frma, pavelm: Thanks. |
| 21:49.18 | frma | rwitby: One of the units I received has a dead gsm-modem, I was directed to that email-address by Jouston Huang (@openmoko.com) |
| 21:50.21 | SpeedEvil | dead - in what manner? |
| 21:50.49 | rwhitby | frma: apologies, I thought you were mailing about a software problem. you are right that there should be an email address for hardware problems. |
| 21:51.43 | ScaredyCat | http://people.openmoko.org/mickey/images/ |
| 21:51.50 | ScaredyCat | om2007.2 from today |
| 21:51.56 | frma | SpeedEvil: No response what so ever, tried all tricks mention on the wiki and in the mailing list archives. Connecting cu only gives the connect message but no response to AT commands. |
| 21:52.08 | mwester | frma: recheck the address, does the domain "brokenmoko.org" actually exist? |
| 21:52.23 | ynezz | ScaredyCat: is it worth flashing? :p |
| 21:52.45 | ScaredyCat | not unless they've done a shitload of work on it |
| 21:53.58 | rwhitby | mwester: someone at OM registered brokenmoko.org, but I doubt it has an email server behind it at the moment. |
| 21:54.22 | SpeedEvil | I don't even see an IP |
| 21:54.34 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: au contraire - the latest image is always worth flashing so that we developers can help fix it. |
| 21:54.54 | rwhitby | (no-one is expecting a working image at this stage, right?) |
| 21:55.16 | ynezz | right, so the MokoMakefile is obsolete? |
| 21:55.17 | ScaredyCat | 0m2007.1 works better |
| 21:55.40 | ScaredyCat | untill .2 works to a similar level of functionality it's not worth it |
| 21:55.42 | rwhitby | ynezz: it will be when OM2007.2 is officially announced by mickey|dinner as going live |
| 21:56.02 | ScaredyCat | 19th iirc |
| 21:56.11 | rwhitby | (except at that point it will change to build OM2007.2 instead) |
| 21:56.28 | ynezz | is there some oe how-to for OM2007.2? |
| 21:56.29 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: is that 19th on the OpenMoko calendar, or the Julian calendar ;-) |
| 21:56.37 | ynezz | :) |
| 21:56.44 | rwhitby | ynezz: there is a OM wiki page for 2007.2 |
| 21:56.48 | ynezz | ok |
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| 21:57.11 | pavelm | looks like I'll have to play with python hacks for awhile... |
| 21:57.19 | rwhitby | and the nslu2-linux master makefile builds it (and puts the resulting images at http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images) |
| 21:57.56 | mellon_ | Speaking of 2007.2, has anyone seen this error in configure on glibc-intermediate_2.3.2+cvs20040726? *** These critical programs are missing or too old: gcc |
| 21:59.00 | SpeedEvil | Oh no - competition! http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=286 |
| 21:59.04 | pH5 | glibc 2.3.2+cvs2004 ?? |
| 21:59.28 | woglinde | ph5 lol |
| 21:59.33 | woglinde | I wondered myself |
| 21:59.35 | mellon_ | Hey, don't ask me - bitbake is trying to build it! |
| 21:59.44 | ynezz | rwhitby: I wonder what's the process of the image build on nslu2-linux. make update setup om-image using mokomakefile? |
| 21:59.57 | ynezz | or some custom environment? |
| 22:00.05 | mellon_ | SpeedEvil: It Must Be Mine!!! :') |
| 22:00.11 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: hahaha |
| 22:00.55 | mellon_ | I wonder if they're refurbishing old phone chassis or making new ones. |
| 22:01.13 | ynezz | looks like new one :) |
| 22:01.24 | ynezz | quite expensive |
| 22:01.30 | mmazur | SpeedEvil, they don't have a stylus holder either. |
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| 22:01.43 | rwhitby | ynezz: nslu2-linux uses the nslu2-linux master makefile, and does "make openmoko" |
| 22:01.59 | ynezz | ah |
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| 22:03.42 | mellon_ | SpeedEvil:this is a really great web site! |
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| 22:11.18 | andylockran | I'm thinking I may have a kernel/rootfs mismatch on my phone - using uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2688_0-fic-gta01 kernel and openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070813013449.rootfs |
| 22:11.37 | andylockran | can anyone confirm +ve or -ve |
| 22:11.49 | jrockway | what's not working? |
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| 22:12.21 | andylockran | jrockway: gsm isn't registering |
| 22:12.55 | jrockway | ok |
| 22:13.12 | jrockway | i tried that rootfs with the pre-installed kernel and had the same problem |
| 22:13.25 | andylockran | off to bed - wil play with it tomorrow |
| 22:13.26 | andylockran | night! |
| 22:13.27 | jrockway | i got gsm working with the latest kernel from the first page on the wiki |
| 22:13.30 | jrockway | but it still seems broken |
| 22:13.35 | jrockway | ttyl :) |
| 22:13.47 | jrockway | i'm just going to build it myself |
| 22:13.57 | jrockway | when i get home, that is :) |
| 22:14.17 | andylockran | jrockway: yeah - my hacking skills aren't that advanced - if you can build a working version it'd be good to have a copy |
| 22:14.40 | nokiCat | Wookie hole |
| 22:15.15 | jrockway | andylockran: i'm pretty new too :) |
| 22:17.01 | SpeedEvil | gsm doesn't depend on kernel. |
| 22:17.11 | SpeedEvil | you can either talk to the serial device, or you can't. |
| 22:17.26 | SpeedEvil | there is no subtle driver magic where it can half work. |
| 22:17.48 | jrockway | interesting |
| 22:17.48 | SpeedEvil | mellon_: indeed. |
| 22:17.54 | jrockway | yesterday gsm didn't work... today it does work :) |
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| 22:20.52 | ynezz | btw, why do I need gcj for OM2007.2 ? |
| 22:22.16 | ynezz | it's mentioned as a required package on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 (How to MasterMakefile on Ubuntu) |
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| 22:28.47 | mellon_ | So does anybody know a source for an antenna we can plug into the GSM antenna socket on the Neo that has higher gain than the Neo antenna? |
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| 22:32.44 | SpeedEvil | do you normally have a problem with cellphones where you are/ |
| 22:32.47 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 22:33.00 | SpeedEvil | The GSM socket is unfortunately relatively inaccessible. |
| 22:33.11 | SpeedEvil | the one you're probably looking at is the GPS antenna. |
| 22:33.51 | SpeedEvil | open the back of the phone, and look down the 'screwholes' |
| 22:33.51 | SpeedEvil | in one is a socket |
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| 22:35.19 | ynezz | nice, NOTE: build 200708142348: completed |
| 22:35.36 | jrockway | yesterday's didn't work very well for me |
| 22:35.44 | jrockway | is that normal? :) |
| 22:36.04 | ynezz | today's also, had to fix it by hand |
| 22:36.19 | jrockway | i need to get my own build going anyway |
| 22:36.35 | jrockway | i've been a bit lazy so far :) |
| 22:37.59 | ynezz | where does your build fail? |
| 22:39.39 | jrockway | haven't even tried yet, it's just that random Bad Things are happening with the builds i've tried so far |
| 22:39.51 | jrockway | i can't find the on-screen keyboard, for example |
| 22:40.00 | jrockway | i'm not at the point where i should be asking for help though :) |
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| 22:41.02 | ynezz | seems more like runtime error, not build one |
| 22:41.33 | jrockway | i think i'm missing files... who knows |
| 22:41.57 | jrockway | i will bother the channel later when i know what i'm talking about |
| 22:42.02 | pavelm | speed: In cities, I have pretty good coverage. |
| 22:42.25 | pavelm | speed: In the forests... yep, I could use more coverage. In villages, indoor... yes, I could use better antena. |
| 22:42.37 | pavelm | in subway... yes, it would be nice to have better antena. |
| 22:55.14 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Variometer]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware_-_Atmospheric]] [[Bluetooth_Support]] [[P1_Owners]] |
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| 23:03.07 | ozarka | jrockway: On screen keyboard is the blank widget in the top left. |
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| 23:16.51 | SpeedEvil | It's the left blank of the undivided two-blank panel. |
| 23:17.09 | jrockway | ah, ok |
| 23:17.13 | SpeedEvil | the right blank picks which keyboard is activated when you press it. |
| 23:17.20 | jrockway | should i fix that? |
| 23:17.22 | SpeedEvil | keyboard or xstroke |
| 23:17.29 | frma | jrockway: In the 2007.2 images I've built it hasn't started automatically, I have to manually run mbinputmgr |
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| 23:17.29 | jrockway | or is there a deeper issue at hand? |
| 23:18.45 | frma | In yesterdays 2007.2 gsmd can't connect to the gsm modem at boot, but when restarting it manually (/etc/init.d/gsmd start/stop) it works fine. I've successfully called both in and out. |
| 23:20.13 | juri_ | well, i'd be more excited if my openmoko wasn't headed to germany. :) |
| 23:22.11 | ljp | ditto |
| 23:22.21 | SrRaven | headed to germany? |
| 23:22.41 | jrockway | ah, everything seems much nicer with the keyboard working :) |
| 23:25.29 | SrRaven | anyone tell me what those two meant with headed to germany pls ? |
| 23:26.48 | mellon_ | Their phones were mis-shipped, SrRaven. |
| 23:27.00 | SrRaven | haha sorry to hear |
| 23:27.05 | SrRaven | maybe it ends up in my postbox |
| 23:28.55 | ljp | mine was taken by someone seeing a customer |
| 23:29.49 | juri_ | mine was mis-shipped. |
| 23:30.10 | juri_ | the emails all say germany, so i can't help but believe i typoed on the screen when i ordered. |
| 23:30.29 | SpeedEvil | Where are you? |
| 23:30.33 | linux_galore | have to look at an anti theft/phone home feature in the future |
| 23:30.35 | juri_ | a reply to my ship email has gone unanswered for a few hours now... |
| 23:30.42 | juri_ | speed: in the USA. ;P |
| 23:30.45 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 23:31.01 | SrRaven | well if it lands in my postbox,be sure ill test if it works and send it to you :P |
| 23:31.02 | juri_ | (because, you know, all americans believe the default shipping is to the US.. ;P ) |
| 23:31.04 | mellon_ | That's a pretty odd typo. How does United States turn into Germany? |
| 23:31.24 | ynezz | i wonder also :p |
| 23:31.25 | mellon_ | ljp: you mean stolen? |
| 23:31.28 | juri_ | mellon: yea, suprises me. :) |
| 23:31.55 | ljp | well. more or less. off my desk :) |
| 23:31.59 | mellon_ | juri_: I suspect it wasn't your typo. Probably just an honest mistake. |
| 23:32.19 | mellon_ | ljp: dude, that sucks! |
| 23:32.23 | SpeedEvil | ljp: have it insured? |
| 23:32.53 | ljp | ha |
| 23:32.53 | ynezz | neo is hot stuff "[ |
| 23:32.53 | ljp | its ok. it was someone from here anyway.. |
| 23:32.54 | SpeedEvil | Why ha? You can get mobile phone insurance. |
| 23:32.58 | SpeedEvil | ah. |
| 23:33.08 | SpeedEvil | So borrowed, not stolen? |
| 23:33.12 | ynezz | they don't insure linux phones (yet) :p |
| 23:33.18 | ljp | depends on who you ask |
| 23:33.29 | SpeedEvil | You can get insurance on anything. |
| 23:33.32 | SpeedEvil | Rates vary. |
| 23:33.42 | ljp | my cats have insurance |
| 23:34.01 | Fwh | I have insurance on my neuticles |
| 23:34.13 | linux_galore | a phone home daemon that sends its position once a day would be cool |
| 23:34.31 | doc|work | wtf are neuticles? |
| 23:34.34 | mmazur | Yeah, one question: |
| 23:34.37 | ynezz | -ENOGPS |
| 23:34.44 | mmazur | Is it possible to wake up neo on a specific time? |
| 23:34.53 | mmazur | (you know, for it to act as an alarm clock for example) |
| 23:35.24 | SpeedEvil | In principle - I think it's not implemented. |
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| 23:35.33 | SpeedEvil | doc|work: Silicone fake testicles. |
| 23:35.37 | Fwh | doc|work: I dunno, but they sound naughty, don't they |
| 23:35.40 | linux_galore | mmazur: yeah just create a date script that plays a file |
| 23:35.47 | mellon_ | mmazur: that's an upcoming feature... :') |
| 23:36.01 | SpeedEvil | As to insurance. |
| 23:36.13 | SpeedEvil | The first company I found wants 44 quid a year to insure my neo. |
| 23:36.15 | mmazur | SpeedEvil, meaning? |
| 23:36.37 | Fwh | SpeedEvil: 4 is better than two |
| 23:36.50 | anrp | meaning its time to send it to some kind african prince to have it multiplied! |
| 23:36.54 | SpeedEvil | mmazur: wake on RTC is not implemented. |
| 23:37.00 | SpeedEvil | yet. |
| 23:37.11 | linux_galore | bummer |
| 23:37.29 | SpeedEvil | AIUI, I may be wrong. |
| 23:38.12 | mmazur | SpeedEvil, in software, however hardware has the capability of getting programmed that way? |
| 23:38.17 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 23:38.50 | linux_galore | OM could make a pretty dollar selling insurance and long term support |
| 23:39.05 | mmazur | If the system goes to sleep while the screen is off, it's possible for it to wake up without any user-visible feedback (no screen flickr, etc)? |
| 23:39.31 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 23:40.01 | mmazur | Ah. So my evil 'wake up every hour, send gps location' anti-theft system is doable! |
| 23:40.13 | linux_galore | premium package server access would be a nice little earner |
| 23:40.20 | linux_galore | sell maps etc |
| 23:41.06 | mmazur | Or even better: wake up on sms, check if it's a secret code, if is, do not tell user you've woken up, but do something evil. |
| 23:41.25 | SpeedEvil | It's not evil if it's your phone. |
| 23:41.42 | mmazur | That's the ultimate tracking device. Neo should be marketed as a phone for your gf. |
| 23:41.47 | mmazur | "You'll always know where she is" |
| 23:42.10 | linux_galore | yeah, the infamous granny tracker feature |
| 23:42.17 | anrp | probably illegal in some cases |
| 23:42.30 | mmazur | Officialy it's an anti-theft system. |
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| 23:42.48 | linux_galore | depends, if you have a relative with dementia it is a great feature |
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| 23:43.37 | linux_galore | in the UK there are child tracker services now, kids actualy like it because parents know were they are so they dont get hassled as much |
| 23:44.03 | Stephmw | yeah, right... |
| 23:44.03 | ixs | *sigh* |
| 23:44.18 | ljp | i have a child tracker service... its called my eyes and ears |
| 23:44.28 | doc|work | linux_galore: let me guess, the telcos had a report commissioned that said that? :) |
| 23:44.29 | linux_galore | Stephmw: when I was a kid my parents would restrict me because they never knew were I was |
| 23:44.51 | doc|work | "it's ok if you go off murdering babies, once we know where you are" |
| 23:45.04 | ixs | linux_galore: and now they do restrict you cause they know you've been out shopping for booze and porn? |
| 23:45.09 | linux_galore | doc|work: no BBC did a thing on it then asked a few kids, one said he likes it because now he can go out more |
| 23:45.35 | doc|work | I'd be pissed if I was tagged constantly |
| 23:46.01 | linux_galore | doc|home: well welcome to being restricted to you home at later hours |
| 23:46.07 | linux_galore | your* |
| 23:46.28 | doc|work | it's impossible to be a teenager if you can't be obnoxious to your parents and making them already know where you are means they don't ask questions, which means you have no reason to be obnoxious :) |
| 23:46.48 | doc|work | where would the fun in that have been? :) |
| 23:46.49 | linux_galore | doc|work: this isnt for teenagers its for "kids" |
| 23:47.03 | doc|work | linux_galore: then why aren't these kids being supervised? |
| 23:47.07 | ljp | well, I would hate it if _anyone_ knew where I was all the time |
| 23:47.16 | doc|work | who lets "kids" off on their own like that? |
| 23:47.28 | shackan | just leave the phone at a friend's a go wherever you want |
| 23:47.33 | shackan | *and |
| 23:47.38 | ixs | crap. building libgsm+svnnow is failing in bitbake. To my untrained eye, it looks as if the timestamp is causing the problem. svn download is done at 01:45 e.g. and instlaling at 01:46 which causes bitbake to use different timestamped directory names, thus failing. anyone got a good workaround? |
| 23:47.43 | linux_galore | doc|work: they are with a tracker, if they say they are going to a mates place the parents know if they are there or not |
| 23:47.44 | doc|work | it's another case of technology filling in where parents should be doing their job |
| 23:47.46 | shackan | doc|work: busy parents who don't care |
| 23:47.52 | doc|work | shackan: exactly, it's stupid |
| 23:48.17 | doc|work | linux_galore: why would you let your kids go to a place where you don't trust the parents to supervise them? |
| 23:48.35 | shackan | and to complete the stupidity, does it come with a web2.0 online interface too ? |
| 23:48.47 | linux_galore | doc|work: thats not the issue, how do you know the child is were they say they are |
| 23:49.08 | anrp | you trust them...? |
| 23:49.19 | doc|work | linux_galore: because they're *supposed* to be getting supervised by the other kid's parents |
| 23:49.20 | mmazur | I wouldn't exactly agree that it's the parent's job to *always* know where a child is. |
| 23:49.21 | anrp | i know most don't, just saying |
| 23:49.28 | shackan | anrp: hahahahahaha, oh riiiiiight |
| 23:49.30 | doc|work | mmazur: enough for it to be safe |
| 23:49.41 | ljp | hehehe |
| 23:49.55 | mmazur | rwhitby, the neo is a universal platform, you know. |
| 23:49.57 | anrp | i would never trust me |
| 23:49.57 | doc|work | it's definitely not #technology-raising-kids |
| 23:50.02 | anrp | so... take that as you will >_> |
| 23:50.03 | mmazur | It... vibrates. |
| 23:50.11 | doc|work | anrp: yeah, I wouldn't trust you either |
| 23:50.12 | mmazur | And that helps with #child-forking. |
| 23:50.16 | linux_galore | doc|work: aah so while they are "supposed" to be supervised at another parents house they are getting kidnapped |
| 23:50.22 | anrp | D:< |
| 23:50.27 | jrockway | mmazur: it helps with #not-forking-children actually :) |
| 23:50.40 | shackan | mmmm |
| 23:50.44 | anrp | always remember to wait() for your children, or they'll zombify |
| 23:50.46 | doc|work | linux_galore: then you're fucked anyway, because no smart kidnapper is going to keep the kids phone where it can be positioned |
| 23:50.51 | doc|work | pardon my french |
| 23:50.53 | shackan | all this time I tought it was just a phone... |
| 23:51.11 | linux_galore | doc|work: actually your average crim is pretty thick |
| 23:51.12 | ljp | i rather prefer to sleep() the kids |
| 23:51.18 | shackan | does it come with a babe magnet ? |
| 23:51.37 | SpeedEvil | shackan: it comes with the light on the pointer. |
| 23:51.41 | SpeedEvil | Use that for hypnosis. |
| 23:51.49 | anrp | or just blind them |
| 23:51.52 | daMaestro | shackan, it does |
| 23:51.54 | anrp | with teh lazor!!1 |
| 23:52.03 | daMaestro | shackan, but just tell them what it runs |
| 23:52.05 | doc|work | linux_galore: who doesn't know that a mobile can't be positioned? |
| 23:52.10 | daMaestro | their eyes glaze over |
| 23:52.24 | linux_galore | doc|work: who doesnt know the kid even has a mobile |
| 23:52.28 | doc|work | especially a crim whose business it would be to know what can be a liability |
| 23:52.39 | mmazur | doc|work, so if we stuff neo with kid porn, then there's a chance that the kidnapper won't discard it, thus saving the childs life! |
| 23:52.46 | anrp | see this is what happens when you take think of the children to the logical extreme! |
| 23:52.47 | doc|work | mmazur: hah |
| 23:52.52 | mmazur | Someone should write that down as a marketing strategy. |
| 23:53.10 | doc|work | at the end of the day, *you* should be supervising your kids, or leaving them with someone you trust to be supervising them. |
| 23:53.20 | doc|work | not leaving it to a phone |
| 23:53.22 | mmazur | parentd |
| 23:53.40 | rwhitby | can we take the parenting advice elsewhere? it's really offtopic here. (and yes, I am speaking as a parent) |
| 23:54.58 | ixs | mhm. jupp. libgsm is currently not buildable as the svn name is timestamped and does _change_ during the build. |
| 23:55.59 | rwhitby | ixs: .1 or .2 ? |
| 23:56.39 | ixs | rwhitby: 0.1 |
| 23:56.51 | ixs | rwhitby: I'd love to build .2 but have no clue how to do that... |
| 23:56.51 | ixs | :( |
| 23:57.35 | rwhitby | ixs: .1 just built for me here. |
| 23:57.47 | rwhitby | ixs: there's a wiki page for .2 |
| 23:58.09 | ixs | rwhitby: the .2 page was a bit low on details I fear on how to actually build it. |
| 23:58.42 | rwhitby | ixs: new directory, nslu2-linux Makefile, "make openmoko", wait :-) |
| 23:59.24 | ixs | rwhitby: .1 is being called with libgsmd-0.1+svnnow-r0_0_200708142345 for do_configure et all, but libgsmd-0.1+svnnow-r0_0_200708142346 is used for do_install resulting in a makefile error about a non existing make target. no wonder, as the dir is empty. |
| 23:59.30 | ixs | rwhitby: ohh. nice. |
| 23:59.41 | ixs | gonna try this then on the quad opteron. |
| 23:59.42 | rwhitby | ixs: do a clean-package-libgsmd and rebuild |