| 00:00.19 | Writchie | plugged into a USB port and not operating in fast charge mode the neo battery can take about 20 hours to reach its full charge in that mode (about 65% capacity). |
| 00:00.50 | Writchie | this is from a completed depleted condition. |
| 00:01.45 | Writchie | the hardware appears to have some design flaw limiting the charge to about 45ma instead of the 100ma intended. |
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| 00:02.29 | Writchie | in practise, the software will eventually be able to provide a rational charging scenario. |
| 00:03.08 | Writchie | but its nevery going to work anywhere near as well as it could on the present hardware. |
| 00:03.37 | Writchie | we can only hope that GTA02 will be bettery but it may be that we will have to wait for GTA03 |
| 00:04.38 | Writchie | GTA02 has a bigger battery which should help some. |
| 00:05.12 | Writchie | it's hard to get charging and PM right |
| 00:05.35 | Writchie | its impossible if you don't have design reviews or listen to people with gray hair |
| 00:06.19 | doc|work | PM? |
| 00:06.24 | Writchie | power management |
| 00:06.25 | doc|work | power management? |
| 00:06.29 | doc|work | thanks :) |
| 00:06.54 | Writchie | li-ion is tricky |
| 00:07.21 | Writchie | to get true power indications you need to monitor current into and out of the battery |
| 00:07.21 | doc|work | I thought li-ion was a bit crap in comparison to some newer ones? |
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| 00:08.23 | Writchie | the whole li-ion, li-polysilicon, family is pretty similar except for safety issues |
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| 00:11.45 | cesarb | Writchie: with li-ion, you must not get water on it, and you must never charge it after midnight? |
| 00:12.15 | Writchie | and don't fall asleep with the device on your lap |
| 00:13.23 | Writchie | all li-ion batteries have internal protection devices |
| 00:13.33 | Writchie | many have a microprocessor |
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| 00:16.20 | kristian-m | Writchie don't li-poly also need taht? |
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| 00:17.16 | Writchie | taht? |
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| 00:18.31 | kristian-m | Writchie sry doesn't li-poly also need a charge controller, temperature sensors and stuff? |
| 00:18.57 | Writchie | yes, pretty much the same |
| 00:19.20 | Writchie | its just a bit safer and usually better capacity per volume |
| 00:19.47 | kristian-m | ahkay, right - i see |
| 00:20.05 | Writchie | at this point i would recommend removing battery when neo is not in use |
| 00:20.22 | Writchie | to eliminate deep discharge which can be very bad for the battery |
| 00:20.59 | Writchie | if not removal, open case, and temporaily remove battery to insure everything is off. Then you can re-insert the battery. |
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| 00:21.33 | Writchie | Present software is known to leave the GSM modem on under many conditions which can lead to deep discharge after a couple of days. |
| 00:22.25 | Writchie | none of this is unusual at this stage of development. This is a developer preview product and should not be expected to work properly at this stage |
| 00:24.16 | cesarb | Writchie: yeah, connecting the GSM modem directly to the battery is not a very good idea |
| 00:24.30 | cesarb | Writchie: in fact, I think nothing should be connected to the battery but the PMU chip |
| 00:24.35 | Writchie | i think its actually a good idea |
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| 00:24.55 | cesarb | Writchie: why? |
| 00:25.16 | Writchie | it results in the cleanest power for the radio stack |
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| 00:30.53 | doc|work | /quit fleeee |
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| 00:54.44 | sagacis | Sure is quiet today |
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| 00:59.03 | dotmef | anybody know what's happening with the mailing lists? |
| 01:00.15 | sagacis | Nope. They are down.... :( |
| 01:02.47 | dotmef | yup. obviously a pretty serious failure on a server |
| 01:03.25 | dotmef | have the devs moved to working on 2007.2? |
| 01:03.46 | dotmef | I'm wondering if I should start flashing my Neo with 2007.2 code for testing |
| 01:04.04 | sagacis | I think it's time to re-flash... |
| 01:04.07 | sagacis | For me |
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| 01:04.31 | sagacis | Many of the OM guys are at camp in Germany, where they are working on 2007.2 |
| 01:04.32 | dotmef | what was the last image you used? |
| 01:04.43 | dotmef | ahhh. |
| 01:04.54 | sagacis | I'm using a non-.2 image I built myself a couple days ago |
| 01:04.57 | sagacis | It's been pretty stable. |
| 01:05.15 | dotmef | yup - me too and same |
| 01:05.19 | sagacis | Got phone working, got gprs working, need a better web browser.... |
| 01:05.31 | sagacis | Tried to get dillo2 and minimo working, but no joy yet. |
| 01:05.43 | sagacis | Thought I'd see what was up in the latest nlu images |
| 01:05.44 | dotmef | gprs - really? difficult? |
| 01:05.59 | sagacis | Nope. Follow the instructions. You need to think about a few things, too. |
| 01:06.20 | dotmef | righto - will check it out |
| 01:07.16 | sagacis | found it: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS |
| 01:07.43 | sagacis | The script calls for a "gprs-disconnect-chat" but it works without it. |
| 01:07.57 | sagacis | I think I'll flash my qemu first with the latest .2 build |
| 01:09.30 | dotmef | cool. thanks for the link. |
| 01:09.42 | dotmef | yup - sounds like a good idea |
| 01:10.06 | dotmef | I saw a few comments here that sounded like it's a little rough atm |
| 01:11.30 | sagacis | It was the last time I tried it. It looks nice, but not quite as stable. |
| 01:11.36 | sagacis | Almost nothing worked out of the box. |
| 01:11.51 | sagacis | I recommend "nand erase rootfs" before each flash |
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| 01:15.03 | borg_ | .2 is more stable now |
| 01:15.13 | borg_ | but i cant get it buid at the momment :\ |
| 01:16.11 | dotmef | sagacis: will make sure I erase the rootfs. ta for the tip |
| 01:16.35 | orz1 | is it going to use X or are they moving to directfb? |
| 01:16.42 | dotmef | borg_: were any of the functions more usable: phone, sms? |
| 01:17.20 | borg_ | dotmef: no |
| 01:17.37 | borg_ | the feedreader works nice in .2 |
| 01:18.17 | dotmef | cool. |
| 01:18.47 | borg_ | and there are somehow lots of games |
| 01:18.56 | borg_ | and you can use all applications with finger in .2 |
| 01:18.59 | sagacis | Lots of games, most of which don't quite work |
| 01:19.13 | dotmef | hmm. is there chess? |
| 01:19.22 | sagacis | dotmef, nope |
| 01:19.27 | daMaestro | ok.. i just got an att sim |
| 01:19.29 | daMaestro | checking if it works now |
| 01:19.29 | sagacis | only tiny games... |
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| 01:19.38 | sagacis | daMaestro, is it 3G? |
| 01:19.42 | dotmef | dammit - I was thinking it might be good to port |
| 01:19.43 | daMaestro | yes |
| 01:19.54 | daMaestro | but there are some that *are* reported working |
| 01:20.09 | sagacis | I think it depends on your area and band coverage |
| 01:20.09 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT |
| 01:20.26 | daMaestro | well i already tested ~5 different sims, with no luck |
| 01:20.31 | sagacis | I bought a 2G chip off e-bay |
| 01:20.33 | sagacis | It's working well |
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| 01:26.11 | sagacis | borg_, I'm trying the build-oops, didin't work |
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| 01:29.28 | sagacis | Getting the new mastermakefile broke my old mokomakefile, I think |
| 01:30.14 | daMaestro | hmmmmmmmm, well i'm not seeing the issues with the sim that i have in the past |
| 01:30.22 | sagacis | good news? |
| 01:30.31 | daMaestro | i'm getting %CPI: 1,9,0,0,0,0,"013035551212",129,,,0 |
| 01:30.31 | daMaestro | %CPI: 1,8,0,0,,,,,,102,0 |
| 01:30.31 | daMaestro | NO CARRIER |
| 01:30.58 | sagacis | In response to? |
| 01:31.10 | daMaestro | ATD013035551212; |
| 01:31.31 | daMaestro | but i'm seeing stuff that i see with my tmobile sim: +CREG: 1,"1B76","2E56" |
| 01:32.13 | sagacis | Where are you? |
| 01:32.22 | daMaestro | mwhawhhahahaha |
| 01:32.23 | daMaestro | it works! |
| 01:32.31 | borg_ | :) |
| 01:32.45 | daMaestro | cool, i'll update the wiki with the sim model info |
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| 01:33.13 | sagacis | Cool! You can use my handset.state from http://drivehq.com/file/df.aspx/publish/sagacis/PublicFolder/handset.sagacis.state if you want. |
| 01:33.15 | daMaestro | this is a brand new sim |
| 01:33.24 | daMaestro | sagacis, make sure to commit a patch |
| 01:33.25 | sagacis | I guess you fixed it! |
| 01:33.38 | daMaestro | the audio shiet really needs fixing |
| 01:33.55 | sagacis | OK. It's just a setting combo. Pretty minor really. |
| 01:34.04 | sagacis | I guess it is a patch. It's only for handset calls |
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| 01:37.22 | daMaestro | nice, the sim i have is listed already as working |
| 01:37.33 | daMaestro | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:39.17 | daMaestro | time to find a build where gsmd works |
| 01:39.18 | daMaestro | :-D |
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| 01:40.05 | daMaestro | Psi, heya |
| 01:40.15 | daMaestro | Psi, have any luck actually making calls with the 09 build? |
| 01:40.22 | Psi | only with gsmtool |
| 01:40.25 | daMaestro | Psi, via the UI that is.. i can make calls with cli |
| 01:40.26 | Psi | but didnt get any audio |
| 01:40.38 | Psi | na, no go with UI |
| 01:41.02 | daMaestro | hmm i'm going to try the 08 image from mickey |
| 01:41.17 | daMaestro | i have still not been able to build OM2007.2 |
| 01:41.23 | daMaestro | git is still failing to build |
| 01:42.14 | daMaestro | blah, i got a razrv3 with my att contract |
| 01:42.16 | daMaestro | it makes me sick |
| 01:44.10 | Psi | reason ive been offline is my media box psu fried :( |
| 01:44.21 | Psi | just got back with a new one and its up and running again :) |
| 01:44.29 | Psi | i run xchat on that box |
| 01:45.30 | sagacis | daMaestro: The current builds gsmd works OK. I made two phone calls with the dialer |
| 01:45.44 | daMaestro | hmm |
| 01:45.50 | daMaestro | sagacis, om2007.2? |
| 01:45.54 | sagacis | Nope. |
| 01:46.05 | daMaestro | ahh, yeah i had good luck with dialing in om2007 |
| 01:46.05 | sagacis | I also got gprs working last night and chatted from the neo |
| 01:46.15 | daMaestro | om2007.2 is such a ui upgrade i'm not looking back |
| 01:46.24 | rwhitby | sagacis: you need to keep mokomakefile and mastermakefile separate - they are not compatible |
| 01:46.25 | sagacis | I've never gotten anything real to work on .2 |
| 01:46.38 | sagacis | rwhitby: I am keeping them separate |
| 01:46.52 | Psi | i played back to the future 1 on .2 Does that count? |
| 01:46.55 | rwhitby | if you have, then one cannot break the other |
| 01:47.11 | sagacis | Brad Pitcher submitted a patch to bug 681 (handset volume) |
| 01:47.31 | sagacis | Hmm... maybe I didn't. |
| 01:47.32 | Psi | ok, so it was like 320x180 or something, but it played :P |
| 01:47.36 | sagacis | keep them separate |
| 01:47.46 | sagacis | Psi: Cool! |
| 01:48.25 | sagacis | rwhitby: I'm running MasterMakefile in one directory, and MokoMakefile in another |
| 01:48.35 | Psi | i laughed when i heard from the neo "When this baby hits 88mph, your gunna see some serious shit" |
| 01:48.50 | sagacis | lol |
| 01:49.00 | sagacis | Psi: Using mplayer? |
| 01:49.04 | Psi | yeah |
| 01:49.04 | daMaestro | anyone got prboom working on it? |
| 01:49.04 | rwhitby | sagacis: right - neither of them write anything outside their directory tree. |
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| 01:49.26 | Psi | it was either mpeg1 or mjpeg |
| 01:49.34 | sagacis | rwhitby: My MasterMakefile is in a subdirectory of the Makefile directory. Should I move it? |
| 01:49.39 | Psi | cant remember which one worked, i tried a few encodes |
| 01:49.48 | sagacis | Did you build mplayer locally? |
| 01:50.01 | Psi | na, someone on here built it already |
| 01:50.08 | Psi | i just grabed the binary |
| 01:50.08 | rwhitby | sagacis: I use /home/moko for mokomakefile and /home/slug for master makefile |
| 01:50.32 | rwhitby | do not make one a subdirectory of the other |
| 01:50.33 | sagacis | daMaestro: Try the handset.state on bug 681 (http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=681) and let me know how it works... |
| 01:50.50 | sagacis | rwhitby: That's probably where I mucked it up. I"ll mv the subdir |
| 01:51.01 | daMaestro | rwhitby, mind a du -hs for me? |
| 01:51.15 | rwhitby | daMaestro: for which dir? |
| 01:51.19 | daMaestro | both |
| 01:51.30 | daMaestro | i've had no luck with master makefile |
| 01:51.42 | daMaestro | so i might need to grow my virtual drive to accommodate both |
| 01:51.52 | rwhitby | are you using rm_work? |
| 01:52.06 | rwhitby | they should be about the same size |
| 01:52.12 | daMaestro | i don't know.. all i've done is make update && make ....-image |
| 01:52.41 | daMaestro | i've had no time to be serious about the platform yet |
| 01:52.47 | rwhitby | read the rm_work tip on the wiki page if you want to save space. |
| 01:53.04 | daMaestro | not too worried about the space.. i can easily grow the lvm to whatever is needed |
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| 01:58.09 | sagacis | rwhitby: I and others do truly appreciate the effort that went into the makefiles. I'd still be reading OE bitbake instructions if not for that. |
| 01:58.34 | daMaestro | +1 |
| 01:59.18 | sagacis | One of the MasterMakefile instructions is to remove monotone and install the new one with patches. This is where my MonoMakefile stopped working. I'll get a new one and try it again. |
| 01:59.30 | sagacis | I really don't have anything to lose, and prefer the MasterMakefile, personally. |
| 01:59.53 | rwhitby | where are the instructions that tell you to remove monotone? that's not correct. |
| 02:00.56 | sagacis | "sudo apt-get remove monotone #if there is one allready" |
| 02:01.03 | sagacis | and install the downgrade |
| 02:01.06 | sagacis | I did all that. |
| 02:02.31 | cesarb | sagacis: why not simply get the database for the new monotone version, as explained on the wiki? |
| 02:02.43 | rwhitby | sagacis: where does it say that? that's totally wrong. |
| 02:02.47 | cesarb | no need to mess with downgrades and stuff |
| 02:02.58 | cesarb | rwhitby: I think it's on the 2007.2 page on the wiki |
| 02:03.23 | cesarb | rwhitby: (not the mokomakefile page) |
| 02:03.44 | daMaestro | it is |
| 02:03.52 | daMaestro | i just downloaded the correct db version |
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| 02:05.31 | sagacis | Sorry, it's listed on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#How_to_build_using_nslu2-linux_MasterMakefile_.28Ubuntu_7.04.29 before the db download. I just took the first option. |
| 02:06.22 | rwhitby | please remove the first option completely. |
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| 02:07.37 | rwhitby | you shouldn't need to symlink bash either - I thought we've fixed all the bashisms |
| 02:07.41 | borg_ | i added the second option |
| 02:07.44 | borg_ | it worked for me |
| 02:07.49 | borg_ | tho you can use it |
| 02:08.04 | rwhitby | borg_: using the OE snapshot is the correct option |
| 02:08.14 | rwhitby | downgrading monotone is never the right option |
| 02:08.32 | borg_ | thats what i thougt |
| 02:09.23 | rwhitby | ok, I removed the first option |
| 02:09.27 | cesarb | rwhitby: yes, because I refused to do the symlinking and went after the bashisms with a hammer ;-) |
| 02:09.54 | sagacis | rwhitby: OK, upgraded to 0.31. Got the db. I'll try the build again. |
| 02:10.03 | sagacis | If it takes longer than 2 minutes, that's a good sign |
| 02:10.33 | rwhitby | cesarb: yeah, if you find any more we'll fix them too |
| 02:11.31 | sagacis | rwhitby: Thanks for setting me straight. I'll be much happier with .2 |
| 02:14.12 | daMaestro | hmm in om2007.2 it seems like gsmd just doesn't start on boot |
| 02:15.00 | daMaestro | hmm it's set to start level 35 of runlevel 5 |
| 02:15.28 | daMaestro | is there maybe an ordering issue with pulseaudio and gsmd starting at the same time? |
| 02:16.16 | daMaestro | Psi, the dialer works in the 08 image from mickey |
| 02:18.01 | khaije | i'm looking for pngtopnm on ubuntu for the qemu setup, anyone drop some knowledge? |
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| 02:19.25 | cesarb | khaije: it's netpbm |
| 02:20.07 | rwhitby | Sigh, another question answered clearly on the MokoMakefile wiki page. |
| 02:20.20 | rwhitby | khaije: you haven't read that page, have you? |
| 02:20.29 | khaije | i'm on that page, show me where and i'll say uncle |
| 02:20.37 | rwhitby | Fifth line under QEMU |
| 02:20.43 | rwhitby | netpbm ('apt-get install netpbm' in Ubuntu 7.04) |
| 02:20.53 | Psi | daMaestro, thanks |
| 02:21.11 | Psi | any audio? |
| 02:21.52 | rwhitby | khaije: now you can't tell me you haven't had time to read the *entire* page in the time you've been waiting for things to build. |
| 02:22.21 | rwhitby | (sorry for singling you out, you're just the unlucky latest offender) |
| 02:22.31 | khaije | rwhitby: are you talking about this page --> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU ? |
| 02:22.37 | rwhitby | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#QEMU |
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| 02:22.57 | khaije | oh, i was on a different page |
| 02:23.08 | rwhitby | you're not using MokoMakefile? |
| 02:23.28 | cesarb | rwhitby: btw, sorry for asking when you are in a bad mood, but will mokomakefile be changed to use 2007.2, or will it be replaced by some other makefile? |
| 02:23.30 | khaije | truthfull i don't appreciate the difference |
| 02:23.44 | khaije | *truthfully |
| 02:23.49 | rwhitby | cesarb: not in a bad mood :-) |
| 02:24.04 | rwhitby | I'm coordinating with mickeyl as to when the mokomakefile changes over. |
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| 02:24.25 | rwhitby | (remember that mokomakefile always tracks the core team's wishes on what they want people to be building at that instant) |
| 02:24.37 | rwhitby | at the moment, the estimate is sometime this coming week |
| 02:25.01 | sagacis | There. Started the build. Now to go read the instructions... ;-) |
| 02:25.10 | rwhitby | khaije: well, one difference is that MokoMakefile is a standard setup, so others have documented all the dependencies you need for the build :-) |
| 02:26.05 | khaije | rwhitby: so is it fair to say the instuctions i'm following are non-recommended? |
| 02:26.38 | rwhitby | khaije: non-recommend by me ;-) but I'm not an OM employee. |
| 02:26.44 | khaije | it seems to be working actually, but i don't mind starting over to be more optimal |
| 02:26.55 | khaije | it was simple enough to get to this point |
| 02:27.01 | rwhitby | both will work fine. |
| 02:27.03 | cesarb | rwhitby: perhaps the problem is that the OpenMoko_under_QEMU page has some FUD about it taking a huge amount of time to compile with mokomakefile in opposition to doing the manual steps |
| 02:27.19 | khaije | cesarb: right, i noticed that |
| 02:27.38 | daMaestro | Psi, will have to do the restore.. |
| 02:27.40 | daMaestro | testing that now |
| 02:27.47 | cesarb | rwhitby: (cloaked under some weasel wording: it says building _all_ of mokomakefile takes ages, with the implication that using it to build/run qemu will take ages) |
| 02:27.50 | rwhitby | cesarb: do you know if mokomakefile then just "make qemu" bypasses all the monotone stuff? |
| 02:28.12 | khaije | are there salient differences between the two that you can express to me simply? |
| 02:28.25 | happycube | is there a particular OE snapshot i should use to build .2? |
| 02:28.35 | happycube | the trunk's libgsm is not buildable |
| 02:29.19 | cesarb | rwhitby: no, it does a setup-patches somewhere in the dependency path, which ends up calling stamps/openembedded |
| 02:29.31 | cesarb | rwhitby: but even then, monotone is slow, but not THAT slow |
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| 02:30.28 | orzo | i was following the instructions to build openmko from scratch |
| 02:30.32 | sagacis | grrr... Still no success... do_compile failed. Gonna go track that down |
| 02:31.08 | orzo | when bitbake rudely installed itself not under /usr/local/ on my ubuntu box. How do i uninstall it? |
| 02:31.24 | cesarb | sagacis: hint: take a look at build/tmp/work/<something>/<package>/temp, it has the logs |
| 02:31.32 | daMaestro | Psi, strange... |
| 02:31.39 | daMaestro | Psi, there is no /etc/alsa/ in this build |
| 02:31.51 | cesarb | orzo: shouldn't /usr/local not be writable by a normal user? |
| 02:32.14 | orzo | neither is /usr/ |
| 02:32.21 | orzo | i used root |
| 02:32.24 | orzo | it was an install |
| 02:32.28 | orzo | i figured it'd go to /usr/local |
| 02:32.52 | orzo | was i supposed to install it as an ordinary user? |
| 02:32.55 | sagacis | cesarb: thanks! |
| 02:33.03 | rwhitby | cesarb: I added some weasel words in the other direction :-) |
| 02:33.19 | orzo | anyway, my system is messed up now with crap put in /usr that apt didnt put there |
| 02:33.45 | rwhitby | orzo: another reason to use MokoMakefle, it doesn't screw up your system |
| 02:34.05 | orzo | well, i followed the wiki |
| 02:34.12 | orzo | all i really wanted to do was compile aps to run on th ephone |
| 02:34.24 | rwhitby | cesarb: after the switch to om2007.2, I will be able to break that dependency path |
| 02:34.28 | orzo | but that wiki page insists i go through building openmoko from scratch |
| 02:34.58 | sagacis | It's looking for my old path. Gotta clean everything up. |
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| 02:37.13 | rwhitby | orzo: better put a warning on the wiki page you were following to let others know they can screw their system if they follow those instructions |
| 02:37.19 | daMaestro | Psi, hmm sound still not working... grr |
| 02:37.30 | daMaestro | Psi, actually got it to dial (after manually starting gsmd) |
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| 02:37.46 | sagacis | daMaestro: OK, I'll post my handset state to the same bug |
| 02:38.22 | daMaestro | sagacis, with the "patch" it helps me none because there is no /etc/alsa (and thus no states to patch against) |
| 02:39.16 | sagacis | Oh, I see Thanks. |
| 02:39.38 | daMaestro | http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/neo1973/gsmheadset.working.state didn't work either |
| 02:39.39 | sagacis | You can use the state file from http://drivehq.com/file/df.aspx/publish/sagacis/PublicFolder/handset.sagacis.state |
| 02:40.08 | sagacis | "alsactl -f handset.sagacis.state restore" worked for me |
| 02:42.11 | daMaestro | grrr... are there any plans to have gsmd auto respawn or something? |
| 02:43.17 | sagacis | daMaestro: repeat after me, "Beta testing is fun, beta testing is fun..." |
| 02:43.27 | daMaestro | oh i know |
| 02:43.35 | cesarb | daMaestro: gsmd is supposed to never quit, so auto-respawning is not a good idea |
| 02:43.38 | daMaestro | i would have not bought it if i didn't plan on proposing patches |
| 02:43.42 | cesarb | daMaestro: since it would mask real bugs |
| 02:43.51 | daMaestro | cesarb, sure; i can see that |
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| 02:44.32 | orzo | how do i set a warning off in a box in wiki markup? |
| 02:44.37 | sagacis | If only it doesn't have so many "real" bugs |
| 02:47.44 | sagacis | Anybody get dillo2 to work OK? |
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| 02:51.07 | dotmef | daMaestro: when you talked about gsmd respawn, do you mean putting a respawn entry in inittab? |
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| 02:51.47 | daMaestro | partly |
| 02:52.29 | DukeOfURL | daMaestro: I finally got my phone. Yippee |
| 02:53.13 | dotmef | grats, Duke |
| 02:53.19 | DukeOfURL | except... the screen keeps going black |
| 02:53.48 | DukeOfURL | only stays on for a few seconds |
| 02:53.48 | daMaestro | nice |
| 02:53.48 | sagacis | plug it in. Charge the battery. flash. |
| 02:54.06 | DukeOfURL | it's charged. it's flashed with the latest openmoko-devel-image. |
| 02:54.20 | sagacis | grr.... Fresh directory, fresh MasterMakefile, fresh mtn.db, still no success with build. |
| 02:55.03 | sagacis | DukeOfURL: That's odd..... |
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| 02:56.39 | DukeOfURL | when the display is off I can still ping 192.168.0.202 |
| 02:57.14 | Vegar | bad connection somewhere? |
| 02:57.24 | DukeOfURL | in the phone? |
| 02:57.46 | DukeOfURL | it's almost like the sleep mechanism is fscked |
| 02:58.15 | DukeOfURL | for a while the display stayed on for a *long* time with the USB connection |
| 02:58.49 | sagacis | Had to add "help2man" to the apt-get in the OpenMoko2007.2 page. |
| 02:59.02 | rwhitby | sagacis: thx |
| 02:59.03 | DukeOfURL | battery icon shows 2/3 green |
| 03:00.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 695 has been created by speedevil(AT)mauve.plus.com |
| 03:00.02 | cdbot2 | * * Hold button on headset does not report events. |
| 03:00.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=695 |
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| 03:02.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 697 has been created by sagacis(AT)gmail.com |
| 03:02.01 | cdbot2 | * * Don't generate security key pairs on every device boot |
| 03:02.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=697 |
| 03:02.32 | sagacis | cdbot2 is a bit slow. I did that two days ago |
| 03:03.45 | Vegar | hehe |
| 03:03.47 | borg_ | the lists are working again |
| 03:03.51 | sagacis | Cool! |
| 03:03.57 | sagacis | That explainsit |
| 03:04.05 | sagacis | s/explainsit/explains it |
| 03:04.09 | sagacis | no spellbot |
| 03:04.31 | cesarb | tset |
| 03:04.34 | cesarb | s/tset/test/ |
| 03:04.44 | cesarb | hm, the spellbot is working ;-) |
| 03:06.33 | sagacis | Maybe the spellbot just doesn't like me |
| 03:06.42 | sagacis | or spellbot can't do spaces |
| 03:08.04 | cesarb | or you need the final / |
| 03:08.18 | cesarb | s/you need/we need |
| 03:08.25 | cesarb | see? |
| 03:11.03 | dotmef | that's cool |
| 03:11.14 | dotmef | s/cool/freakin cool/ |
| 03:14.13 | sagacis | Yup. That's my prob. Spellbot likes directories, not files. |
| 03:14.37 | dotmef | heh |
| 03:15.15 | sagacis | Wow, the ml's really woke up |
| 03:16.10 | cesarb | sagacis: did it cough a hairball? |
| 03:17.08 | cesarb | (http://catb.org/jargon/html/H/hairball.html) |
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| 03:21.32 | orzo | MokoMakefile seems to havfe stalled while checking bitbake out of svn |
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| 03:25.39 | sagacis | Somewhat of one. |
| 03:25.54 | sagacis | Sorry for the delay, I'm catching up on my ml reading |
| 03:26.19 | daMaestro | sagacis, thanks. |
| 03:26.25 | daMaestro | sagacis, per the help2man |
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| 03:26.59 | sagacis | daMaestro: de nada |
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| 03:28.29 | orz1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:54.56 | Linux_Galore | the SCO case is dead and done, the judge has delivered a summary judgement, SCO doesnt own Unix |
| 03:55.02 | daMaestro | yup |
| 03:55.20 | Linux_Galore | neeeeeeeeeext |
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| 03:58.30 | Linux_Galore | it was as though a million Redmond developers cried out in pain! |
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| 04:05.32 | dotmef | lol |
| 04:06.23 | happycube | woot! |
| 04:15.44 | ferric | moop |
| 04:17.01 | hozer | nooooooo.. no credit card charges yet :-< |
| 04:17.11 | hozer | seems lik everyone gets a phone but me |
| 04:17.18 | hozer | s/lik/like |
| 04:17.48 | borg_ | :( |
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| 04:36.18 | dotmef | wow - the channel is dead. must subscribe to the dev list :P |
| 04:55.12 | doc|home | it's usually busier but it's a friday night :) |
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| 05:04.17 | sagacis | Hey, the woot item looks like our headset! |
| 05:04.48 | dotmef | doc - ha - true. |
| 05:07.01 | dotmef | sagacis: what's the woot item? |
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| 05:12.10 | sagacis | http://www.woot.com |
| 05:12.44 | sagacis | Ever heard of the miniOne? http://www.popsci.com/popsci/technology/e7e48a137b144110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html |
| 05:13.20 | dotmef | omg |
| 05:13.28 | dotmef | never seen that b4 |
| 05:13.37 | dotmef | it looks identical :D |
| 05:14.40 | sagacis | Just saw it myself |
| 05:14.57 | sagacis | I know about the HTC. Not really an iPhone clone, just the same market space |
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| 05:32.35 | catron | bitplane |
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| 05:35.49 | sagacis | 'nite |
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| 06:16.35 | rtyler | hrm, so I've rebooted my host machine, and my 2007.2 device still won't show up in dfu-util :/ |
| 06:25.32 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 06:30.36 | rtyler | moinsen |
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| 06:34.05 | orzo | d |
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| 07:04.48 | Richard_ | hi, what does "${@base_contains('MACHINE_FEATURES', 'kernel26','task-base-kernel26','task-base-kernel24',d)}" mean? |
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| 07:12.43 | rtyler | any tips on unpacking uImage*.bin onto an SD Card for booting? |
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| 07:28.02 | rtyler | anybody getting bad magic number errors booting from an SD Card? |
| 07:28.39 | orzo | Is it unlikely that we'll be able to flash the Ti firmware to work with the nonworking att sim chips? |
| 07:30.04 | orzo | how long does it take to build openmoko? |
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| 07:36.30 | rwhitby | orzo: reflashing TI firmware requires physical access to an openmoko employee apparently. |
| 07:36.39 | rwhitby | (and the fixed firmware too of course) |
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| 07:36.58 | rwhitby | depending on your machine, it can take between 4 and 14 hours to build openmoko |
| 07:37.47 | rtyler | oh man, flashing my device from the SD Card, this is scary as shit :P |
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| 07:38.43 | rwhitby | rtyler: as long as you're not touching the uboot partition, you should have no fear. |
| 07:39.05 | tri_ | hi |
| 07:39.09 | rtyler | rwhitby: I am merely but a lowly applications developer :) |
| 07:42.15 | rtyler | rwhitby: I don;t need to blow away the old environment settings :) |
| 07:43.55 | orzo | i have a sim that isnt activated |
| 07:44.00 | orzo | is there a way to test it? |
| 07:45.29 | rtyler | orzo: define testing? |
| 07:45.58 | orzo | determining that it would work if i got it activated |
| 07:46.15 | orzo | and is not one that suffers from this issue: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 |
| 07:48.33 | rtyler | wahoo, my phone is back online |
| 07:50.30 | orzo | how do i give it AT commands? |
| 07:51.20 | rtyler | orzo: USB Console :) |
| 07:52.43 | orzo | well i'm sshed in |
| 07:53.05 | orzo | i dont know what device the modem is or what ap to use to talk to it |
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| 08:05.47 | orzo | how do i detect if my laptop has bluetooth built in? |
| 08:06.13 | orzo | it's an hp pavilion dv9000 and some google hits seem to indicate it would have bluetooth |
| 08:06.29 | Psi | linux or windows? |
| 08:06.41 | orzo | linux |
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| 08:07.17 | Psi | could try .. lspci | grep -i bluetooth |
| 08:07.31 | orzo | no hits |
| 08:07.57 | Psi | hm.. |
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| 08:08.42 | Psi | what about .. dmesg | grep -i bluetooth |
| 08:09.12 | orzo | hits |
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| 08:09.44 | Psi | yeah, there will be |
| 08:09.53 | Psi | but do any look like actual devices? |
| 08:10.39 | orzo | they all say RFCOMM or L2CAP or HCI |
| 08:10.44 | orzo | or Core |
| 08:11.00 | Psi | yeah, i get those too (no BT) |
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| 08:11.57 | Psi | ya need to ask someone with a little more linux knowledge than me :P |
| 08:12.32 | rtyler | Psi: rm rf something ;) |
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| 08:15.06 | rtyler | phew, I'm safe, since it probably crashed as soon as you pulled the trigger :) |
| 08:15.26 | orzo | hp seems to indicate it has bluetooth |
| 08:15.27 | dotmef | zing-a! |
| 08:15.48 | Psi | rtyler, heh |
| 08:15.54 | orzo | http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/ho/WF06a/21675-38187-38191-38191-38191-12435946.html |
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| 08:22.00 | PBeck | hi |
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| 08:30.29 | orzo | MokoMakefile seems to download, build, download, build ... |
| 08:30.56 | orzo | itd be better if it could download everything up front |
| 08:32.18 | rtyler | orzo: submit a patch? ;) |
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| 08:36.21 | marsan | can u use a openmoko phone with any of the Windows operating systems? |
| 08:36.31 | rtyler | marsan: what do you mean? |
| 08:37.25 | marsan | can you sync openmoko with windows? |
| 08:37.42 | orzo | hm |
| 08:37.49 | orzo | i'm just realy missing info |
| 08:37.52 | rtyler | marsan: you can't sync much right now on any platform ;) |
| 08:38.01 | orzo | is the gsm modme a device under /dev ? |
| 08:38.03 | marsan | i know..hmm.. |
| 08:38.09 | dotmef | rwhitby: I'm liking the MokoMakefile and your instructions. Just compiled and ran GNUchess and played against it from my machine. |
| 08:38.15 | orzo | do i send AT commands to it using AT or minicom or something? |
| 08:38.21 | dotmef | rwhitby: and I'm a n00b |
| 08:38.27 | rtyler | marsan: if you're comfortable with .NET, I'm trying to get Mono working nicely on the device, and then a Mono-based ActiveSync style application could be possible across platforms |
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| 08:39.27 | dotmef | orzo: yes. use "cu -l /dev/ttySAC0" |
| 08:39.57 | dotmef | orzo: or use gsmd and libgsmd-tool for a less direct method |
| 08:40.26 | marsan | rtyler, no im like totaly into linux. Just woundering if the GTA02 require linux OS to sync it with a computer.. |
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| 08:41.00 | rtyler | it definitely wouldn't methinks :) |
| 08:43.55 | Jiten | marsan: the code is open, there is nothing stopping people from adding interfaces for syncing :) ... of course that depends on how open the interfaces are windows can use. |
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| 08:45.11 | Jiten | anyway, it's unlikely to be a problem (for long) |
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| 08:45.41 | rwhitby | dotmef: thx |
| 08:47.00 | rtyler | anybody more or less reliably using 2007.2 images? |
| 08:48.10 | mdt | whats that? my neo has two files (NVRAM[12].DAT) in root's home dir today. does anyone know why? |
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| 08:51.33 | mdt | why is neo's runlevel 5 by default? |
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| 08:56.08 | rtyler | has work begun on basic settings applications, like a System Preferences |
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| 09:08.01 | Basheri | 8o |
| 09:11.09 | ScaredyCat | mdt: because it's a gui based device |
| 09:11.28 | ScaredyCat | change it if you don't like it.. it's not as if it's hard |
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| 09:14.15 | mdt | ScaredyCat, thnx |
| 09:14.45 | mdt | ScaredyCat, but wasn't 2 the level of choice for using gui? |
| 09:15.58 | ScaredyCat | 5 is pretty normal (although I dunno on an embdded device) |
| 09:16.10 | mdt | ScaredyCat, ...okay. |
| 09:16.55 | ScaredyCat | generally 2 is without networking |
| 09:17.22 | mdt | ScaredyCat, hm. then debian is different... ;) |
| 09:17.35 | ScaredyCat | of course... ;) |
| 09:18.49 | ScaredyCat | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Init |
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| 09:19.13 | ScaredyCat | there's a lilttle table down the page, gives distro + default runllevel |
| 09:20.14 | mdt | ScaredyCat, the neo is missing.... |
| 09:20.18 | mdt | ;) |
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| 09:20.31 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
| 09:21.00 | Basheri | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel#Debian_Linux |
| 09:22.33 | ScaredyCat | debian doens't count... |
| 09:22.40 | ScaredyCat | it's not a real distro |
| 09:22.44 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 09:23.09 | RedDog | can anyone tell me the meaning of the openmoko logo? |
| 09:25.21 | mdt | ...can anyone tell me how i can change the spash screen at startup? |
| 09:25.32 | ScaredyCat | did th emailing list recover then die again? |
| 09:25.38 | ScaredyCat | which one mdt? |
| 09:25.46 | ScaredyCat | the very first one? |
| 09:25.50 | mdt | ScaredyCat, that one that is d... yes |
| 09:26.01 | mdt | is it in the slot called 'splash'? |
| 09:26.17 | ScaredyCat | you need the debug board |
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| 09:26.35 | mdt | ScaredyCat, :( i knew that i would need that one day.... |
| 09:26.44 | mdt | ScaredyCat, how is that done? |
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| 09:27.35 | mafeu | mdt & ScaredyCat: as you are at a nand topic ... |
| 09:27.41 | ScaredyCat | Boot into u-boot, halt the boot process |
| 09:28.00 | ScaredyCat | With openocd, load the images into memory |
| 09:28.00 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.00 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.00 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.00 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:28.41 | mdt | ScaredyCat, so u-boot displays those images? |
| 09:28.42 | ScaredyCat | see openmoko/developers/werner/splash |
| 09:28.55 | mdt | ScaredyCat, and there is no way to change it without debug board...? |
| 09:29.02 | mafeu | is there a known issue that after doing a 'nand erase kernel' all new tries to flash the kernel into the nand will result in 'Bad magic number'? |
| 09:29.08 | ScaredyCat | well, I suspect you could |
| 09:29.44 | ScaredyCat | since dfu-util flashes a specific part with the -a switch |
| 09:30.05 | ScaredyCat | but I wouldn;t try it without a debug board to recover after you balls it up |
| 09:31.04 | mdt | ScaredyCat, so i need to know where the next debug board exists around here.... is there a list of geo-coords in the wiki? :D |
| 09:31.17 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 09:31.50 | mdt | ScaredyCat, where are u? |
| 09:32.25 | ScaredyCat | part time in .nl part time in uk |
| 09:34.02 | mdt | ScaredyCat, oh, nl is near... i live in duesseldorf, germany. so where in nl? |
| 09:34.26 | ScaredyCat | Lelystad ..... |
| 09:35.16 | ScaredyCat | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Lelystad,+Flevoland,+Netherlands&ie=UTF8&cd=1&ll=52.536273,5.476685&spn=0.763469,2.548828&z=9&iwloc=addr&om=1 |
| 09:36.06 | mdt | ScaredyCat, name sounds nice... and looks nice the area... |
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| 09:36.30 | mdt | and isn't that far - do u mind if i come around with a burned neo? :D |
| 09:36.51 | ScaredyCat | hehe... |
| 09:37.00 | ScaredyCat | you mean there's no one closer ? |
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| 09:38.01 | ScaredyCat | btw - that bit on .nl I live on is actually the sea bed.. |
| 09:38.24 | ScaredyCat | ~ -5m below sea level |
| 09:39.07 | mdt | ScaredyCat, don't know - i like the how is that written - isle-meer? i once drove with a bike there over the long wall |
| 09:39.33 | ScaredyCat | in the summer? |
| 09:39.41 | ScaredyCat | clouds of mosquitos! |
| 09:39.56 | mdt | ScaredyCat, yes. long ago - as far as i remember the part you stay on wasn there... |
| 09:40.16 | ScaredyCat | >35 years ago then |
| 09:40.17 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 09:40.20 | mdt | ScaredyCat, no, no mosquito at all... too windy |
| 09:40.25 | mdt | ScaredyCat, 25 |
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| 09:42.44 | ScaredyCat | dare I say it but maps.live.com is much better than google maps for that area |
| 09:42.55 | ScaredyCat | I can get 3d of my house |
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| 09:46.53 | mdt | ScaredyCat, wow... can u load it on the neo? |
| 09:47.32 | ScaredyCat | i think the neo might explode if i try |
| 09:49.06 | mdt | :D |
| 09:50.06 | mdt | ScaredyCat, i am looking for material where you can use neo's gps and load maps from the internet to display the location. google is obfuscating their stuff.... |
| 09:51.10 | ScaredyCat | http://cfis.savagexi.com/articles/2006/05/03/google-maps-deconstructed |
| 09:52.29 | __Ace__ | I was wondering how to grab that touching in C in X11..? |
| 09:52.30 | aloril | __Ace__: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 09:56.02 | ScaredyCat | mdt: for example http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&formtype=address&latlongtype=decimal&latitude=52.0039&longitude=0.102 |
| 09:57.31 | mdt | does that format my firefox? |
| 09:57.53 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 09:58.17 | ScaredyCat | add &zoom= then value of 1 to 13 on the end for zooming |
| 09:58.51 | ScaredyCat | then you can parse the html for the image |
| 09:59.47 | mdt | that's where u stay right now? ;) |
| 10:00.09 | ScaredyCat | no.. |
| 10:00.19 | mdt | that is quiet cool... |
| 10:00.23 | ScaredyCat | those were random coordinates :) |
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| 10:00.33 | mdt | while the maps aren't that good... |
| 10:00.44 | ScaredyCat | I used them for live tracking my tomtom go |
| 10:02.25 | ScaredyCat | http://automated.it/gm/wot2.php <--- I have this one that I used for recorded data... |
| 10:02.28 | misc-- | ohh mailing list working now |
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| 10:03.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 699 has been created by mail(AT)mmontour.net |
| 10:03.02 | cdbot2 | * * "direct.openmoko.com" should have a CA-issued SSL certificate |
| 10:03.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=699 |
| 10:03.10 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 700 has been created by reddog(AT)mastersword.de |
| 10:03.11 | mdt | ScaredyCat, nice.. easy html behind. perhaps i use a proxy to parse it and give images to the neo directly... sad that gps is not working right now |
| 10:03.12 | cdbot2 | * * Time/Date stops in suspend |
| 10:03.14 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=700 |
| 10:03.36 | ScaredyCat | yes.. I'd recommend htmsql |
| 10:03.39 | ScaredyCat | php class |
| 10:04.07 | ScaredyCat | it's excellent |
| 10:04.16 | ScaredyCat | http://www.jonasjohn.de/lab/htmlsql.htm |
| 10:04.49 | ScaredyCat | select src from img where id=map |
| 10:05.30 | mdt | ScaredyCat, i use BeautifulSoup for that |
| 10:05.41 | ScaredyCat | url ? |
| 10:05.46 | mdt | ScaredyCat, don't like php. |
| 10:05.57 | ScaredyCat | bah! |
| 10:06.11 | mdt | ScaredyCat, http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/documentation.html |
| 10:06.14 | ScaredyCat | htmlsql is a good reason to use php :) |
| 10:06.36 | ScaredyCat | broken link |
| 10:06.45 | ScaredyCat | :? |
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| 10:08.20 | mdt | ScaredyCat, try http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/ or http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/BeautifulSoup/3.0.3/ |
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| 10:08.45 | mdt | ScaredyCat, it's just a error-tolerant html parser with nice filter methos |
| 10:08.47 | mdt | +d |
| 10:09.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 698 has been created by daniel(AT)ruoso.com |
| 10:09.01 | cdbot2 | * * Dialer crashes just after receiving a call |
| 10:09.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=698 |
| 10:09.25 | ScaredyCat | looks similar to htmlsql then |
| 10:09.40 | ScaredyCat | only yours is crappy python |
| 10:09.41 | ScaredyCat | :P |
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| 10:10.59 | mdt | ScaredyCat, crappy or not i like python bedder |
| 10:11.14 | squalyl | hi |
| 10:11.23 | ScaredyCat | hosting python apps is harder though... |
| 10:11.32 | ScaredyCat | since not all hosting services support i |
| 10:11.33 | ScaredyCat | t |
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| 10:12.07 | squalyl | bittorrent rocks! I've set 150 kbps upstream bandwidth just for you ! |
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| 10:12.44 | mdt | ScaredyCat, i am my hosting ;) |
| 10:13.21 | mdt | ScaredyCat, and i dropped php after a long weekend of trying to get back my data which was roasted by php... no way to try php again |
| 10:13.35 | rxr | why does the openmoko gta02 patchset contain yaffs2 when jffs2 is used ? |
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| 10:13.44 | ScaredyCat | I bet it was you, not php that did it... :) |
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| 10:14.45 | ScaredyCat | mind you I've just written another 20k lines in php... so errm.. I guess I like it |
| 10:14.58 | mdt | ScaredyCat, seems so ;) |
| 10:15.11 | mdt | ScaredyCat, a good programer even performs with php... ;) |
| 10:15.52 | ScaredyCat | I didn't say I was good :P |
| 10:16.17 | ScaredyCat | 20k lines of echo "hello world"; |
| 10:16.23 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
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| 10:18.41 | mdt | ScaredyCat, and did you port php to the neo already? ;) |
| 10:19.10 | ScaredyCat | hehe... no. |
| 10:19.28 | ScaredyCat | I'm thinking vb6 might be better :P |
| 10:19.49 | mdt | ScaredyCat, nonono, .net rulez |
| 10:20.03 | ScaredyCat | .net is for fishermen |
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| 10:43.16 | Elrond | pH5 - Hi! :-) |
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| 10:47.29 | pH5 | hi Elrond, what is ETA until first fix? ;) |
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| 10:54.14 | cesarb | orzo: the bluetooth might show on lsusb, not lspci |
| 10:54.31 | cesarb | (morning all) |
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| 10:56.29 | Stephmw | mornin' |
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| 11:04.34 | Elrond | pH5 - *lol* |
| 11:06.40 | Linux_Galore | hmm funky menu effect http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tumQ-FAIkAc |
| 11:09.54 | ScaredyCat | mdt: ping |
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| 11:11.11 | ScaredyCat | nand read.e 0x32000000 splash 0x5000 |
| 11:11.27 | ScaredyCat | unzip 0x32000000 0x33d00000 0x96000 <---- results in splash on screen |
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| 11:26.42 | barmeier | HI, my phone and speaker does nor work when accepting a phone call and 'alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state restore' gives me a loud beep sound on the incoming call but I cannot talk/hear anything. Does anybody has the same ? |
| 11:26.56 | ScaredyCat | somone already had that idea Linux_Galore... |
| 11:27.17 | ScaredyCat | barmeier: |
| 11:27.26 | ScaredyCat | run alsamixer on the neo.. |
| 11:27.34 | ScaredyCat | reducr to volume to about 80% |
| 11:27.38 | ScaredyCat | reduce |
| 11:27.41 | ScaredyCat | the |
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| 11:27.51 | ScaredyCat | reduce the volume to about 80% |
| 11:28.52 | barmeier | is this 'alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state restore' neccessary or is it sufficient to run the mixer ? |
| 11:29.16 | ScaredyCat | do that.. then run the mixer |
| 11:29.40 | ScaredyCat | the alsactl loads defaults... |
| 11:30.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 696 has been created by nosdr4g(AT)hotmail.com |
| 11:30.02 | cdbot2 | * * Press aux button for verbose boot |
| 11:30.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=696 |
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| 11:30.39 | barmeier | is it sufficient to reduce Headphone and PCM or should I reduce everything to 80% ? |
| 11:30.53 | ScaredyCat | it's caused by feedback.. |
| 11:30.55 | SpeedEvil | you want microphone volume |
| 11:30.59 | ScaredyCat | mic + speaker |
| 11:31.33 | barmeier | ok I understand thank you. |
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| 11:36.22 | noon | hello |
| 11:36.46 | barmeier | ok the beep is gone but I cannot hear the caller :( in alsamixer where mic select and Mic Side, are ther some docs available |
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| 11:54.30 | phrozen77_ | ahaha |
| 11:54.31 | phrozen77_ | http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/94225 |
| 11:54.54 | phrozen77_ | "dead areas on iphone touchscreen" |
| 11:55.56 | SpeedEvil | 'dead feeling inside when you buy an iphone'. |
| 11:56.36 | mmazur | You just killed a kitten. |
| 11:56.56 | mjr | that was a bit depressing from an op there |
| 11:57.01 | mjr | #ubuntu-offtopic, that is |
| 11:57.02 | mmazur | Greedy bastard! |
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| 12:14.00 | ScaredyCat | mjr: ubuntu users know no better |
| 12:14.19 | mjr | I do :] |
| 12:14.38 | mjr | anyway, users, pfft, I'd have expected more from ubuntu community public servants |
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| 12:21.42 | mdt | hm, my gsmd says: 'Setting Neo1973 temporary demo specifics...done' ...what does he mean? |
| 12:29.47 | nbd | ossman: ping |
| 12:29.55 | ossman | nbd, pong |
| 12:30.01 | nbd | ossman: any luck with my driver? |
| 12:30.11 | ossman | I'm afraid I haven't tried it yet |
| 12:30.14 | nbd | ah, ok |
| 12:30.16 | nbd | no problem |
| 12:30.21 | ossman | I'm busy trying to get a nvidia card to play nice |
| 12:31.12 | mdt | ossman, you've got an nvidia in you neo? wow..... ;) |
| 12:31.19 | Psi | heh |
| 12:31.41 | Psi | he made a GPIO-PCIE adapter :P |
| 12:31.46 | ossman | mdt, a bit single minded in here, aren't we? ;) |
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| 12:32.18 | mdt | ossman, shure... impressed by a neo ;) |
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| 13:14.07 | mdt | ... :D just found a easter egg in my neo delivery. i never discovered that under the device itself was a little bag... just found it, a week after getting it ;) |
| 13:15.58 | ynezz | someone found 2 batteries after a week... |
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| 13:18.10 | Cap_J_L_Picard | And a film showing both layers was put on youtube |
| 13:19.10 | __Ace__ | where the hell to I download rootstraps? |
| 13:19.48 | Stephmw | ynezz: maybe they breed |
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| 13:26.44 | ScaredyCat | ~~. |
| 13:26.45 | apt | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
| 13:27.00 | ScaredyCat | shut it. |
| 13:27.38 | DukeOfURL | good morning, everyone |
| 13:28.12 | DukeOfURL | I left my Neo on the USB last night, and now it won't power up. :-( |
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| 13:31.50 | kristian-m | DukeOfURL tryed to take out the battery? |
| 13:32.01 | DukeOfURL | yup, did that |
| 13:33.38 | kristian-m | does anyone know if you can do dataconnections and phone calls at the same time with umts mobiles? |
| 13:35.05 | DukeOfURL | removed (T-Mobile) SIM card and it boots! |
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| 13:37.12 | kristian-m | DukeOfURL do you think your sim card is brocken? |
| 13:38.08 | DukeOfURL | I only get about 30sec before the screen goes black--I'm thinking battery connection problems |
| 13:39.05 | kristian-m | hmm, maybe it's brocken |
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| 13:48.24 | mdt | kristian-m, yes, you can |
| 13:48.47 | mdt | kristian-m, it needs gsm07.10, a muxer protocol |
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| 13:49.28 | kristian-m | DukeOfURL i don't think that the connection can break - at least not when it's that new |
| 13:49.37 | kristian-m | mdt thanks |
| 13:49.58 | kristian-m | DukeOfURL i would guess that the battery overcharged over night |
| 13:50.04 | DukeOfURL | kristian-m: beginning to relaize that the battery itself is defective |
| 13:50.10 | mdt | kristian-m, interesting question would be: can you have more than one gprs conn active ;) |
| 13:50.37 | mdt | kristian-m, sometimes provider have different apn for wap, web and mms |
| 13:50.37 | kristian-m | mdt hmm, at least not with one serial line to the gsm controller |
| 13:50.48 | mdt | kristian-m, /muxer/ |
| 13:50.58 | mdt | kristian-m, u get 4 lines over one |
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| 13:51.30 | kristian-m | hmm - i see |
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| 13:52.23 | dando | hi @ all |
| 13:52.43 | kristian-m | hi dando |
| 13:53.11 | dando | hi kristian |
| 13:53.34 | dando | long time no see @ all |
| 13:54.10 | dando | i have to show you guys something cool. (flash player required) |
| 13:54.13 | dando | http://www.instructables.com/id/SBHR7VCF4WY1LUQ/ |
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| 13:54.39 | dando | has nothing to do with mobilphone |
| 13:54.51 | dando | so have fun |
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| 13:58.53 | dando | aber bitte nicht nachbauen |
| 13:59.04 | dando | dont build this thing |
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| 14:00.31 | mdt | dando, wow... that really looks dangerous. |
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| 14:01.46 | dando | mdt: ^^ |
| 14:02.29 | mdt | dando, looking for gadgets i'm happy with the neo for now... |
| 14:02.45 | DukeOfURL | how can I enter ^C from the on-boaed keyboard? |
| 14:02.52 | DukeOfURL | on-board |
| 14:03.36 | dando | mdt: thats true. |
| 14:05.13 | dando | DukeofURL: U can use the second keyboard. |
| 14:05.54 | DukeOfURL | thanks |
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| 14:07.35 | dando | DukeofURL: there is a full-fledged qwertz Keyboard. Maybe thats the best chioce for using terminal. |
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| 14:08.07 | dando | the other keyboard is good for sms and so on |
| 14:08.33 | DukeOfURL | ok |
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| 14:22.07 | Basheri | dando: That's awesome :D |
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| 14:22.26 | dando | Basheri: ^^ |
| 14:22.31 | Basheri | (the laser thingy) |
| 14:22.49 | dando | :) |
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| 14:24.35 | AFES | äàðîâà íåãðû |
| 14:25.27 | Basheri | ok.... |
| 14:25.43 | AFES | è ê ÷åìó òû ýòî ñêàçàë |
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| 14:29.52 | sagacis | yay! 2007.2 build completd |
| 14:30.01 | orzo | if i want to download the entire wiki, how big is it? |
| 14:30.19 | orzo | congrats, sagacis |
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| 14:31.19 | sagacis | boo! forgot to change to fic-gta01. :( |
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| 14:31.38 | sagacis | mickey|bbq: bbq? Dang, I just got up! |
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| 14:44.38 | RedDog | on my system om2007.2 fails to build with bitbake 1.8.6 ... seems that 1.8.6 fails by if hasattr(bb.fetch, "get_srcrev") in base.bbclass on line 920 ... |
| 14:44.39 | sagacis | 2007.2 doesn't seem to have a working lib-gsmd |
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| 14:45.04 | RedDog | sagacis: why? |
| 14:45.04 | sagacis | RedDog: Do you have enough space? (~7GB) |
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| 14:45.17 | RedDog | yes |
| 14:45.43 | sagacis | The build process says: "NOTE: package libgsmd-0.1+svnrNOT IMPLEMENTED: failed" |
| 14:45.57 | RedDog | that was exacly the same here... |
| 14:46.00 | sagacis | It's renamed to NOT IMPLEMENTED |
| 14:46.05 | RedDog | no .. |
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| 14:46.34 | ScaredyCat | .2 isn't worth the effort building atm - imho |
| 14:47.01 | RedDog | bitbake calls base_get_srcrev wich returns this "NOT IMPLEMENTED" value cause bb.fetch hasn't "get_srcrev" attr... |
| 14:47.05 | sagacis | Looks like you are right. .1 is working well on the phone right now, so I guess I'll leave it |
| 14:47.24 | RedDog | sagacis: seems that 1.8.6 hasn't this attr ... |
| 14:47.39 | RedDog | with latest bitbake from svn it builds... |
| 14:47.44 | sagacis | Thanks. I hadn't dug into the logs yet |
| 14:47.48 | kristian-m | i read about that at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#openmoko-libs_FTBFS |
| 14:49.14 | Kensan | sagacis: if you just want to try .2 you could simply flash prebuilt images (see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Pre-built_snapshot_images) |
| 14:49.21 | sagacis | Thanks, both. |
| 14:50.09 | sagacis | I was trying to build my own. I had previously installed a snapshot.... Took it off because enough stuff didn't wokr. |
| 14:50.31 | sagacis | I guess I'll just be patient. I don't want to spend time fixing things that campers are fixing. |
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| 14:53.09 | Kensan | Speaking of duplicate work: what's the latest on integrating upstart? |
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| 15:18.00 | barmeier | are there any docs on how to use libgsmd around except the source code ? |
| 15:19.06 | kristian-m | barmeier i guess you know the wikipage... - hmm |
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| 15:20.36 | barmeier | hehe, I thought of a more in depth view :). But it is ok to read the libgsmd-tool sources if nothing else is available. |
| 15:20.39 | kristian-m | barmeier and there is http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/gsm/README.txt |
| 15:21.12 | kristian-m | barmeier and http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/gsm/doc/functions.txt |
| 15:22.30 | barmeier | yeas I already read this, but it is a bit abstract. I hoped for a more cookbook like doc. |
| 15:23.15 | barmeier | But I think the devs are coding all day and night in the stage of development |
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| 15:37.04 | sagacis_neo | very quiet today |
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| 15:40.54 | orzo | can the neo tell if it plugs into a computer or a hub? |
| 15:41.09 | orzo | i'd like to have it set up different routing tables depending |
| 15:42.12 | orzo | that way it can work with a host that will act as a gateway for it to the rest of the network |
| 15:42.26 | orzo | (including for 192.168.0.* ips) |
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| 15:44.33 | sagacis_neo | orzo, i dont know, but why diff routes? |
| 15:45.00 | orzo | well |
| 15:45.04 | sagacis_neo | sorry slow 2 type on neo |
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| 15:45.25 | orzo | the default route is bad for me normally |
| 15:45.36 | orzo | if i connect to my linux box, i'd like the neo to use the router to have internet |
| 15:45.49 | orzo | but the router would be unreachable without changing the route table |
| 15:46.08 | sagacis_neo | id like to auto detect gprs |
| 15:46.11 | orzo | but on a hub, it's a different story |
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| 15:46.32 | raster | the neo's default route is192.168... something |
| 15:46.33 | sagacis_neo | i del my route and re-add ppp0 |
| 15:46.46 | raster | as long as you dont use that ip for another interface on your box |
| 15:47.03 | orzo | ya the default route uses the rule route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev usb0 |
| 15:47.04 | raster | or its on a subnet connected to your host |
| 15:47.14 | raster | all u need is to set up ip masq/forwarding |
| 15:47.35 | raster | personally - i am happy |
| 15:47.35 | sagacis_neo | you could change neo`s ip |
| 15:47.40 | raster | my lan's network is 10.xxx |
| 15:47.46 | orzo | but it is better for me to use route add -host 192.168.0.200 dev usb0, along with route add -net default gw 192.168.0.200 |
| 15:47.47 | raster | so it works just fine |
| 15:48.26 | sagacis_neo | mine lan is 192.168.2.x so im happy too |
| 15:48.53 | orzo | well my lan is 192.168.0.x |
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| 15:51.09 | sagacis_neo | orzo, doesnt your whole life revolve around neo? redyour lan! :) |
| 15:51.22 | orzo | heh |
| 15:51.58 | sagacis_neo | 10.* is surely the best... class a |
| 15:52.35 | sagacis_neo | when is chaos ocer? |
| 15:52.45 | sagacis_neo | s/ocer/over/ |
| 15:53.04 | sagacis_neo | thx spellbot |
| 15:53.11 | Basheri | yeh, NAT's great when you have many computers |
| 15:55.22 | orzo | hm |
| 15:55.28 | orzo | can the neo mount nfs |
| 15:55.47 | orzo | maybe that would be a good way to go for syncing music directories |
| 15:56.41 | Basheri | with nfs over wlan <3 |
| 15:57.27 | defer | i can't see why it wouldn't be able to, as long as the kernel is compiled allowing it |
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| 15:58.51 | sagacis_neo | my plan is to pop the sd card and syc directly |
| 15:59.55 | sagacis_neo | right now, neo`s a better music player than a phone |
| 16:01.11 | cesarb | sagacis_neo: given that all the chips needed for playing music are fully documented, it's not that much of a surprise ;-) |
| 16:02.23 | sagacis_neo | is anyone else dimming the scr? im using 2600 |
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| 16:03.44 | orzo | maybe unison would be better for syncing |
| 16:04.02 | orzo | so you can download to the neo or to the computer and let unison sort it out |
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| 16:12.19 | mdt | did someone successful build btscanner (using mokomakefile/bitbaker)? |
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| 16:26.58 | DukeOfURL | is it possible to manually put the Neo in sleep mode? |
| 16:28.29 | pH5 | mdt: yes, for an ipaq though. |
| 16:28.42 | pH5 | DukeOfURL: like echo mem > /sys/power/state? |
| 16:28.49 | ScaredyCat | anyone connected their debug board yet? |
| 16:29.26 | mdt | pH5, just got it up & running... bugs in .bb and configure file |
| 16:29.45 | sagacis_neo | sleep = halt & pop out battery |
| 16:30.12 | pH5 | sagacis_neo: :) |
| 16:36.00 | pH5 | mdt: do you have patches to fix the issues, or did you edit the files in place like me? |
| 16:36.14 | mdt | i edit in place... |
| 16:36.15 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 16:36.22 | mdt | it's nothing special... |
| 16:36.35 | mdt | bb is missing the dependency on libxml2 |
| 16:36.57 | mdt | configure sets lots of -W options that the arm gcc does not understand - i just removed all |
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| 16:39.43 | pH5 | hm.. it built just fine for me, but there was a /usr/local prefix that ended up in the xml config file. |
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| 16:45.30 | xkr47 | yo.. which kernel options do I need to get usb networking going? CONFIG_USB_USBNET and CONFIG_USB_NET_CDC_SUBSET ? |
| 16:47.22 | xkr47 | CONFIG_USB_NET_CDCETHER ? |
| 16:48.05 | pH5 | xkr47: yes |
| 16:48.19 | xkr47 | CONFIG_USB_USBNET + CONFIG_USB_NET_CDCETHER ? |
| 16:48.26 | pH5 | all three |
| 16:48.34 | xkr47 | okay (updating wiki) |
| 16:49.12 | pH5 | $ lsmod | grep 18440 |
| 16:49.15 | pH5 | usbnet 18440 2 cdc_subset,cdc_ether |
| 16:49.23 | xkr47 | acknowledge |
| 16:49.42 | anrp | you know the size by heart? D: |
| 16:49.59 | pH5 | anrp: of course ;) |
| 16:50.15 | xkr47 | ;) |
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| 16:52.51 | emre_ | greetings, how can I submit a patch? |
| 16:53.29 | Kensan | emre_: ML or bugzilla |
| 16:54.12 | emre_ | should i first discuss about my changes? i.e., I'm planning to make the openmoko-today shortcut buttons configurable via a text file. |
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| 16:54.21 | emre_ | or should i just go ahead do it and submit it? |
| 16:55.10 | Kensan | emre_: you would probably submit to the apps-ml explain your patch and the reasoning. |
| 16:55.26 | emre_ | hmm. thanks. |
| 16:56.47 | emre_ | and one more question, what's the right way to compile my changes. i guess the mokomakefile is not the best way? |
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| 16:58.12 | DukeOfURL | in libgsmd-tool, I'm getting "registration denied" from the "R" command. |
| 16:58.24 | DukeOfURL | it's a Cingular SIM card |
| 16:58.34 | DukeOfURL | does anyone have any information about this? |
| 16:59.31 | happycube | yeah there's info on the wiki |
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| 16:59.37 | happycube | newer cingular/at&t cards don't work :( |
| 16:59.56 | DukeOfURL | this one is pretty ond, 2-3 yr |
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| 17:08.33 | rxr | DukeOfURL: bug 666 |
| 17:08.45 | DukeOfURL | ok |
| 17:09.12 | rxr | DukeOfURL: my 2006 SIM wroks, my secondary 2007 one doesn't |
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| 17:09.35 | DukeOfURL | Now the Cingular SIM won't work in the original phone (RAZR)--it's asking for a subsidy code! |
| 17:09.46 | DukeOfURL | wtf? |
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| 17:13.38 | thomasg | is there already a known reason for the AT&T/Cingular problem? |
| 17:14.22 | orzo | the wiki indicates its an issue with the Ti firmware |
| 17:15.25 | xkr47 | can you forward X from openmoko to a desktop computer by ssh ? |
| 17:15.38 | xkr47 | or is it stupid, and one should use X directly ? |
| 17:16.16 | mjr | yes, using -R |
| 17:16.17 | orzo | you mean ssh to a desktop and letting gui aps there appear on the neo? |
| 17:16.19 | pH5 | xkr47: depends. it's probably safe to assume that there's nobody eavesdropping on your usb connection. |
| 17:16.23 | pH5 | but bt on otoh.. |
| 17:16.29 | mjr | mostly though I'd just use X directly |
| 17:16.40 | mjr | oh yeah, point on bt though |
| 17:16.48 | DukeOfURL | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.50 | xkr47 | mjr, doesn't X require some additional authentication fiddling in addition to the port forward ? |
| 17:17.11 | mjr | xhost +foo |
| 17:17.17 | xkr47 | hehe.. |
| 17:17.26 | mjr | (of course means that you'll trust the whole host, but usually okay for this) |
| 17:17.42 | orzo | i just use ssh -X to forward |
| 17:18.16 | mjr | the dropbear client doesn't have -X |
| 17:18.25 | mjr | the server supports forwarding, so sshing to the neo it works |
| 17:19.33 | xkr47 | yeah.. |
| 17:20.04 | xkr47 | weeh, it works |
| 17:21.44 | sagacis_neo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:24.33 | sagacis_neo | im at walmart - does the belkin zen charging kit do 500ma? |
| 17:26.15 | sagacis_neo | nevermind - box says 5v @ 1 amp |
| 17:26.30 | Dmitry_Platonov | what's status of GSM 07.10 implementation in openmoko? |
| 17:26.52 | sagacis_neo | is that safe? |
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| 17:28.44 | Dmitry_Platonov | sagacis_neo, it depends on how charging circuit is done in neo - possibly, safe. |
| 17:30.03 | sagacis_neo | found a schosche kit w/o usb cable - 500ma car & home |
| 17:31.04 | sagacis_neo | now i need more cables |
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| 17:34.34 | doc|home | anyone in .ca know where the hell fido put their data plans? |
| 17:34.40 | doc|home | (on fido.ca) |
| 17:34.41 | DukeOfURL | The makefile complains that it can't find glibc v2.4 (I'm using 2.5-10). Is this a problem? |
| 17:35.30 | doc|home | nevermind, found it |
| 17:35.43 | doc|home | $12 per MB. fuck |
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| 17:35.49 | doc|home | pardon my french |
| 17:38.24 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
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| 17:43.01 | Dmitry_Platonov | ScaredyCat, too much messing with u-boot? |
| 17:43.11 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 17:43.13 | ScaredyCat | :( |
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| 17:44.06 | ScaredyCat | I can't get the neo to do anyhting... |
| 17:44.48 | sannes | Not even lay still on your desk? |
| 17:45.21 | anrp | damn vibrator D: |
| 17:45.27 | sannes | hehe |
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| 17:46.27 | sagacis_neo | i turned on the vib one day while unplugged... |
| 17:47.10 | sagacis_neo | couldnt type cuz vibes - had to run & usbnet to turn off |
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| 17:47.40 | sagacis_neo | batt |
| 17:47.56 | sagacis_neo | oops wrong window |
| 17:48.32 | sagacis_neo | 3842 v after 2 hrs w/gprs |
| 17:48.37 | emre_ | Folks, I've made some changes to the openmoko-today application. and with the moko makefile typed make build-package-openmoko-today. Then installed the ipkg file from the moko/build/tmp/deploy/ipk/armv4t directory to the phone. But i can't see the effect. The date of the ipkg file seems correct, what may be wrong? |
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| 17:52.25 | xkr47 | yo gotta love openmoko :) http://slashbox.net/~xkr47/tmp/openmoko/dscf4619b.jpg |
| 17:53.08 | xkr47 | (sorry for the pervert blue gtk theme I have on my desktop, from which I'm running the plot program over usbnet) |
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| 17:56.05 | ScaredyCat | what's the proper method for flashing u-boot ? |
| 17:56.37 | cjb | dfu? |
| 17:57.07 | ScaredyCat | I cna't get htat far |
| 17:57.20 | ScaredyCat | I need to flash it with the debug board or somehing |
| 17:58.40 | anrp | time for jtag D: |
| 17:58.54 | ScaredyCat | > load_image /home/moko/u-boot.bin 0x32000000 |
| 17:58.55 | ScaredyCat | 203460 byte written at address 0x32000000 |
| 17:58.55 | ScaredyCat | downloaded 203460 byte in 12s 421780us |
| 17:59.06 | anrp | er |
| 17:59.13 | ScaredyCat | so I hav the uboot image in memory... but I can't get it onto the neo... |
| 18:00.40 | anrp | what memory? |
| 18:02.22 | ScaredyCat | does the debug board have ram |
| 18:02.34 | anrp | no ~_~ |
| 18:02.43 | ScaredyCat | then i geuss it's the neo |
| 18:03.37 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: isn't the next step to tell the CPU to jump to the image? |
| 18:04.18 | anrp | yeah |
| 18:04.27 | anrp | once you have uboot running out of ram you can reset the nand |
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| 18:06.16 | ScaredyCat | yes, but that;s where I'm haveing trouble |
| 18:06.34 | anrp | cant get it running you mean? |
| 18:07.19 | ScaredyCat | yes |
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| 18:08.24 | anrp | hm |
| 18:08.47 | anrp | what program did you use to dl it to memory |
| 18:09.07 | ScaredyCat | I'm using the debug board + openocd |
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| 18:09.27 | ScaredyCat | fire up ocd, reset halt |
| 18:09.39 | ScaredyCat | load_image file address |
| 18:09.43 | mbuf | what does the amp here refer to, "Up the 'Amp right' volume to hear the speaker on both ears" |
| 18:10.05 | mbuf | taken from, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM |
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| 18:12.37 | anrp | resume 0x32000000 .. hold down aux |
| 18:12.51 | anrp | i think |
| 18:12.54 | anrp | i havent used openocd yet |
| 18:13.13 | xkr47 | lool.. I'm running matchbox-stroke on my desktop X :D |
| 18:16.28 | ScaredyCat | didn't seem to do much anrp :( |
| 18:17.13 | anrp | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Using_JTAG_to_boot_from_RAM |
| 18:17.14 | anrp | try those |
| 18:18.10 | anrp | i forgot, most arm uses a double bootloader to use nand |
| 18:18.10 | mbuf | has anyone done a call manually? |
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| 18:19.25 | ScaredyCat | what's in foo.bin? |
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| 18:19.54 | sagacis | mbuf: How manual? |
| 18:20.11 | anrp | sdram initializer |
| 18:20.19 | anrp | arm core starts with no memory |
| 18:20.39 | W00tomgbb | The built of 2007.2 I just installed on my Moko doesn't ask for my PIN... I suspect that's also the reason why it doesn't connect to the GSM net. Are there 2007.2 binaries that do ask for a PIN? Or is there an easy way to enter it manually and make GSM work? |
| 18:21.19 | W00tomgbb | Should probably call the phone Neo, not Moko... |
| 18:21.23 | mbuf | sagacis, from cu -l |
| 18:21.23 | sagacis | see teh wiki |
| 18:21.32 | pH5 | W00tomgbb: you can enter AT+CPIN=? and AT+CPIN="1234" directly with libgsmd-tool --mode atcmd |
| 18:21.33 | sagacis | mbuf, sure. Works fine. |
| 18:22.12 | mbuf | sagacis, can you step me through it; i am lost in the part where it says, "Up the "Amp right" volume to hear the speaker on both ears," |
| 18:22.31 | mbuf | sagacis, AT+CPIN has been entered, AT+CIMI works; able to list networks |
| 18:23.09 | ScaredyCat | anrp: where be it |
| 18:23.48 | anrp | uh.. should be part of u-boot? |
| 18:24.16 | pH5 | mbuf: if you open alsamixer on the console, you'll see both "Amp Left" and "Amp Right" volume controls in the Playback section |
| 18:24.36 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: in the same directory as the uboot image |
| 18:24.47 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: probably build/tmp/deploy/images |
| 18:24.51 | mbuf | pH5, ahh ok |
| 18:25.06 | anrp | s/SpeedEvil/ScaredyCat/g' |
| 18:25.11 | anrp | D: |
| 18:25.24 | cesarb | oops |
| 18:25.31 | cesarb | wrong tab autocomplete :D |
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| 18:25.58 | W00tomgbb | pH5: Says "Can't connect to gsmd" |
| 18:26.45 | ScaredyCat | anrp: lowlevel ... penny dropped :) |
| 18:27.55 | ScaredyCat | din't work |
| 18:28.33 | rxr | the .2 images do not start gsmd on my side either |
| 18:28.33 | Placid | pH5: how playable was FreeCiv on the Neo? |
| 18:29.58 | ScaredyCat | "At this point, the display backlight gets bright and we see the following familiar prompt on the serial console:" |
| 18:30.04 | ScaredyCat | does not happen |
| 18:32.06 | anrp | did it hit the breakpoint? |
| 18:34.08 | sagacis | mbuf, sorry, off buying usb cables |
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| 18:34.45 | mbuf | sagacis, couldn't hear any sound on the earplugs, it did dial |
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| 18:35.00 | mbuf | how do i choose the + on the dialer |
| 18:35.05 | ScaredyCat | anrp: yes |
| 18:36.22 | ScaredyCat | http://www.pastebin.ca/653719 |
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| 18:36.37 | sagacis | mbuf, did you get the alsa state fixed? I have a handset state on my wiki:talk page that works for the handset (not earplugs) |
| 18:37.15 | mbuf | sagacis, you mean this one, wget http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/neo1973/gsmheadset.working.state, this i did |
| 18:38.29 | anrp | maybe load_binary |
| 18:38.32 | anrp | instead of load_image |
| 18:38.47 | sagacis | mbuf, nope. That didn't work for me |
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| 18:39.10 | sagacis | mbuf, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User_talk:Sagacis |
| 18:39.28 | sagacis | mbuf, there's also one on bugzilla #681 that should work |
| 18:41.04 | mbuf | sagacis, thanks |
| 18:41.29 | W00tomgbb | Whooo, I finally made my first call! No audio but still awesome. :) |
| 18:41.52 | ScaredyCat | just says |
| 18:41.53 | ScaredyCat | > resume |
| 18:41.54 | ScaredyCat | Target 0 resumed |
| 18:41.59 | ScaredyCat | and notheing |
| 18:42.37 | anrp | when you did load_binary uboot.bin instead of load_Iamge? |
| 18:42.38 | anrp | *image |
| 18:42.57 | ScaredyCat | yes.. |
| 18:43.05 | anrp | i'd be suspicious of your u-boot binary then |
| 18:43.11 | anrp | try using one of the official ones ~_~ |
| 18:43.14 | ScaredyCat | it's an official one |
| 18:43.16 | anrp | it is? |
| 18:43.18 | anrp | then... |
| 18:43.20 | anrp | ... |
| 18:43.26 | anrp | i can't really help any more ~_~ |
| 18:43.47 | anrp | maybe it needs a special u-boot |
| 18:44.37 | anrp | since the sdram is already initialized |
| 18:44.43 | mbuf | how do i press the + on the dialer GUI? |
| 18:44.48 | anrp | the only other thing i could say is try from a cold start to do it |
| 18:45.02 | anrp | hold down zero? |
| 18:45.40 | mbuf | anrp that doesn't work |
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| 18:45.55 | anrp | you got me then ~_~ |
| 18:46.31 | defer | mbuf: you can replace + with two 0 |
| 18:46.35 | defer | according to gsm specs |
| 18:47.47 | orzo | what's the driver for the touchscreen? |
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| 18:50.30 | sagacis | at what point does the battery get too low and the system shut down? |
| 18:50.35 | mbuf | defer, that works, thanks, i am able to make the call, but, not able to hear any sound, used sagacis working.state file |
| 18:51.12 | defer | mbuf: can't help you with that, i don't own a neo or know anything about openmoko, i'm just here looking around |
| 18:52.08 | sagacis | mbuf, are you using the handset or the headphones? |
| 18:54.30 | xkr47 | pH5, for me it seems that cdc_ether is enough.. it does not autoload the other cdc module.. |
| 18:56.15 | pH5 | xkr47: right, it still works here after rmmod cdc_subset. I guess that was loaded for another device. |
| 18:56.41 | xkr47 | *updating wiki* |
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| 18:59.19 | omgbbqman | How do I power off 2007.2?! |
| 18:59.19 | aloril | omgbbqman: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:02.17 | sagacis_neo | omgbbqman halt in terminal |
| 19:03.34 | orzo | how come i dont see a xorg.conf? |
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| 19:05.03 | pH5 | orzo: because the X server is kdrive |
| 19:05.19 | orzo | oh |
| 19:05.27 | orzo | where is the timezone config stored? |
| 19:05.39 | orzo | how do i change it from UTC ? |
| 19:06.33 | ScaredyCat | anrp: can you suggest a likely candidate who my be able to help... |
| 19:06.43 | ScaredyCat | mickey|bbq perhaps ? |
| 19:11.00 | pH5 | orzo: TZ environment variable? |
| 19:11.24 | orzo | ok |
| 19:11.38 | orzo | but thats not really good if i want to build a gui for changing the time zone |
| 19:11.57 | orzo | since i wouldnt want to restart everything |
| 19:12.03 | SpeedEvil | terminal > vi /etc/profil ? |
| 19:12.10 | SpeedEvil | What more GUI do you want :) |
| 19:13.03 | orzo | this is a phone and it is likely to go on flights and change time zones and such frequently |
| 19:13.21 | orzo | it shouldnt have to reboot |
| 19:14.57 | xkr47 | lool, now I have Master Of Orion running remotely :D |
| 19:15.11 | pH5 | xkr47: call again if you have it running natively ;) |
| 19:15.15 | ScaredyCat | it should use the gps to set tz automatically |
| 19:15.18 | mbuf | sagacis, works! i just called my boss ... lol |
| 19:15.18 | xkr47 | sure :D |
| 19:15.49 | orzo | ya |
| 19:15.50 | mbuf | sagacis, i am using an old build, so the dialer didn't work, and i did it manually, your working.state works |
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| 19:16.36 | orzo | what would the gps daemon do to set a system wide timezone change? |
| 19:17.53 | ScaredyCat | it would read GPZDA |
| 19:17.59 | ScaredyCat | get tz, set clock |
| 19:18.15 | ScaredyCat | obviously you'd want the option to disable it |
| 19:18.29 | ScaredyCat | bbiab... I'm off to cry some more |
| 19:18.51 | sagacis_neo | yay! |
| 19:18.55 | sagacis_neo | i |
| 19:19.03 | mbuf | been speaking on the Neo for 15 minutes, and it gets a little warm to be placed close to the ears, has anyone experienced it? |
| 19:20.12 | sagacis_neo | i know my state wrx cuz i use it. maybe ill post a patch, but i didnt me it as a patch... |
| 19:20.45 | sagacis_neo | i used the mixer and stored |
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| 19:49.22 | superman_scott | is there a support channel for openmoko? |
| 19:49.41 | mjr | this is pretty much it |
| 19:49.51 | superman_scott | ok i have an easy question then :-D |
| 19:49.58 | superman_scott | drained my battery on my fone |
| 19:50.04 | superman_scott | how do i get it back up ? |
| 19:50.08 | Stephmw | superman_scott: welcome to OMA... OpenMoko Anonymous... |
| 19:50.10 | SpeedEvil | Unplug USB. |
| 19:50.15 | SpeedEvil | Open back of phone. |
| 19:50.19 | SpeedEvil | Pop battery out. |
| 19:50.23 | SpeedEvil | wait 10s. |
| 19:50.23 | Stephmw | superman_scott: we don't help you with your addiction, we encourage it :D |
| 19:50.28 | SpeedEvil | put battery back in. |
| 19:50.30 | xkr47 | has anybody tried the usb port in host mode ? |
| 19:50.35 | SpeedEvil | Put USB cable in. |
| 19:50.42 | SpeedEvil | Wait 5 min. |
| 19:50.44 | mjr | xkr47, apparently no driver support yet |
| 19:50.52 | SpeedEvil | xkr47: patch is not in yet. |
| 19:50.56 | xkr47 | ok |
| 19:51.02 | superman_scott | SpeedEvil thanks givin that a go |
| 19:51.04 | anrp | i prefer the shotgun approach |
| 19:51.17 | SpeedEvil | superman_scott: the problem is that it may have the phone on. |
| 19:51.20 | anrp | go to your car, hook up two leads to the battery, charge should take 10 seconds or so |
| 19:51.27 | SpeedEvil | Works quite well. |
| 19:51.41 | xkr47 | I got 20 fps when catting files to /dev/fb0 in a bash while loop :D |
| 19:51.53 | anrp | i got 30fps on video D: |
| 19:51.58 | xkr47 | cool |
| 19:52.17 | anrp | http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/zaurus/mplayer/mplayer-arm920t-try4 |
| 19:52.18 | xkr47 | yeah I guess spawning 20 processes a second and opening the fb0 every time takes some time :) |
| 19:52.22 | SpeedEvil | The fun code to write is a hyper-optimised rotator. |
| 19:52.22 | anrp | if you want to play stuff |
| 19:52.58 | mjr | anrp, 2007 or 2007-2? (I believe the ABI was changed?) |
| 19:53.14 | anrp | if you have an eabi, mplayer-eabi in the same dir |
| 19:53.22 | anrp | try4 is oabi |
| 19:53.41 | mjr | ack, I believe I'll try it |
| 19:53.44 | anrp | they're statically linked so they'll work on pretty much any armv4t |
| 19:54.01 | anrp | or above |
| 19:54.02 | SpeedEvil | anrp: Silly question. Did you keep the mencoder? |
| 19:54.09 | anrp | i .. think so |
| 19:54.12 | anrp | probably not for eabi |
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| 19:54.40 | xkr47 | WOOOT |
| 19:54.47 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 19:55.36 | anrp | i don't think i did, but that's easily rebuildable |
| 19:55.55 | xkr47 | 4 fps :O |
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| 19:56.20 | xkr47 | it had to scale it down |
| 19:56.57 | mjr | hmh, the 2007-2 image doesn't mount the sd card |
| 19:57.05 | xkr47 | for me it does |
| 19:57.11 | mjr | no device node |
| 19:57.14 | xkr47 | but I have problems accessing it - io error |
| 19:57.49 | mjr | so there |
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| 19:57.58 | mjr | modprobing was required |
| 19:58.11 | xkr47 | anrp, is that using fb0 ? |
| 19:58.15 | anrp | it is |
| 19:58.22 | anrp | so it will fight with x unless you kill x first |
| 19:58.29 | xkr47 | that's no problem :) |
| 19:58.49 | xkr47 | is there a way to rotate the pic 90 degrees ? |
| 19:58.53 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 19:58.58 | xkr47 | in fb0.. |
| 19:58.59 | xkr47 | :) |
| 19:58.59 | SpeedEvil | -vf rotate 90 |
| 19:59.01 | xkr47 | or mplayer |
| 19:59.02 | SpeedEvil | _slow_. |
| 19:59.04 | xkr47 | that's slooow |
| 19:59.04 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 19:59.07 | ScaredyCat | is there a simple way to resent the env vars for the bootloader ? |
| 19:59.11 | SpeedEvil | There is no hardware. |
| 19:59.16 | xkr47 | thx |
| 19:59.16 | ScaredyCat | reset |
| 19:59.23 | anrp | simple? not really |
| 19:59.25 | SpeedEvil | And no way to (yet) turn to QVGA mode. |
| 19:59.30 | anrp | you can zero out the partition |
| 19:59.42 | ScaredyCat | and it'll use defaults? |
| 19:59.43 | anrp | mtdblock1 iirc |
| 19:59.51 | anrp | well it'll dump you to console |
| 19:59.53 | anrp | and use defaults |
| 20:00.13 | ScaredyCat | from openocd? |
| 20:00.24 | anrp | mm i think openocd allows nand programming |
| 20:00.44 | ScaredyCat | yeah, the 'nand' command has no help at all |
| 20:01.03 | ScaredyCat | nand no help available |
| 20:01.09 | ScaredyCat | useful :) |
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| 20:01.23 | anrp | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Sjf2410-linux |
| 20:01.33 | anrp | not sure if that can use the debug board tho |
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| 20:04.12 | xkr47 | anrp, hmm audio playback seems to have some problems with some files |
| 20:04.23 | anrp | try -afm libmad |
| 20:04.29 | anrp | the mp3 decoder picked by default is wrong |
| 20:05.37 | xkr47 | fixed :) |
| 20:06.22 | xkr47 | can one switch graphics modes someway ? |
| 20:06.31 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 20:06.33 | SpeedEvil | Not yet. |
| 20:06.47 | SpeedEvil | The display supports QVGA - but that is not supported yet |
| 20:06.53 | ScaredyCat | anrp: doesn't look like it does |
| 20:07.06 | xkr47 | SpeedEvil, the fb driver ? |
| 20:07.13 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 20:07.14 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 20:07.24 | SpeedEvil | the LCD itself can be switched into a QVGA mode. |
| 20:07.38 | SpeedEvil | The video hardware on the s3 can too. |
| 20:07.48 | SpeedEvil | The software to do this isn't there. |
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| 20:08.42 | anrp | SpeedEvil: http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/zaurus/mplayer/mencoder-arm920t-try4 |
| 20:08.49 | anrp | you're crazy for wanting to try it, but... |
| 20:08.56 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:09.00 | xkr47 | we're all crazy! |
| 20:09.08 | anrp | qvga mode can work, i got it going on monday |
| 20:09.09 | xkr47 | so.. the kernel fb driver does not support it yet.. |
| 20:09.15 | anrp | however there's a lot of roughness |
| 20:09.16 | xkr47 | nice |
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| 20:13.34 | anrp | http://atocha.mit.edu/~anrp/neo_neo/ <- qvga video D: |
| 20:14.02 | anrp | http://atocha.mit.edu/~anrp/neo_neo/pics/html/img_1373.html <- what it looks like when it's almost working |
| 20:14.27 | anrp | there's something strange about the framebuffer addresses in the kernel that i made |
| 20:14.40 | SpeedEvil | How? |
| 20:14.42 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:14.51 | SpeedEvil | And what happens when you try mplayer on it. |
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| 20:15.03 | anrp | it only works if the framebuffer is 640x480, and it shows the top left corner of the actual framebuffer |
| 20:15.14 | anrp | if the framebuffer is 320x240, garbage shows up |
| 20:15.16 | anrp | however! |
| 20:15.21 | anrp | /dev/fb0 works |
| 20:15.26 | doc|home | man, what's with the sideways images? :) |
| 20:15.28 | anrp | its just that the kernel doesn't use it |
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| 20:15.46 | anrp | i.e. the console doesn't show up but i can dump crap into /dev/fb0 and that works fine |
| 20:15.55 | anrp | ... except for mplayer (maybe read/write is fine but not mmap) |
| 20:17.03 | anrp | there's a simple solution to sideways images, it involves some aerobics though D: |
| 20:17.07 | anrp | upside down is a bit harder |
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| 20:18.34 | snw | I was also wondering bout sideways images. Any idea if that little baby will have the gravity thing or something similiar to the iPhone that when you rotate the device it also gets the photo or whatever in a sideway display? |
| 20:18.50 | anrp | gta02 will have the accel -> a future yes |
| 20:18.52 | mjr | *yawn* |
| 20:18.54 | anrp | for now, no |
| 20:18.59 | snw | okay |
| 20:19.09 | doc|home | anrp: did you have to encode the movie to get it to play on the phone? |
| 20:19.13 | anrp | no |
| 20:19.18 | doc|home | nice! |
| 20:19.20 | anrp | that's that RL_...avi file in the zaurus/mplayer dir |
| 20:19.21 | xkr47 | snw, you can run "xrandr -o 1" in the terminal to rotate the display |
| 20:19.50 | anrp | http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/zaurus/mplayer/RL_MQB_320x240_512_128.avi |
| 20:20.01 | snw | xkr47 - I know but I was wondering if GTA02 would have something to automatically do such a thing :o |
| 20:20.08 | anrp | played off of mmc (although it was probably cached in ram by that point) |
| 20:20.12 | doc|home | ah, so it had been reencoded already? |
| 20:20.15 | SpeedEvil | the accel hardware does rotates. |
| 20:20.24 | anrp | i didn't |
| 20:20.29 | anrp | i found it somewhere, a 320x240 trailer |
| 20:20.43 | anrp | 640x480 is really pushing it even for just decoding |
| 20:20.44 | xkr47 | snw, k :) |
| 20:20.45 | doc|home | 320x240 isn't standard (large screen) format |
| 20:20.46 | anrp | due to memory pressure |
| 20:20.54 | doc|home | yep, that's what I was thinking |
| 20:20.59 | SpeedEvil | VCD is around 320*240 |
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| 20:21.06 | mjr | youtube vids have sync problems with that mplayer but are otherwise ok... |
| 20:21.06 | doc|home | hmm |
| 20:21.19 | SpeedEvil | -framedrop makes them largely work. |
| 20:21.41 | mjr | only it seems to drop a lot more frames than it'd really need to |
| 20:21.48 | SpeedEvil | indeed. |
| 20:22.00 | anrp | what audio decoder? |
| 20:22.14 | Elrond | BTW: Was the usbnet for the neo and windows fixed by now? |
| 20:22.52 | anrp | and if qvga gets seamlessly integrated, then videos will be scaled by the lcm |
| 20:23.05 | anrp | so 320x240 fullscreen doesn't impose memory pressure |
| 20:23.17 | SpeedEvil | It still hurts to rotate it. |
| 20:23.27 | SpeedEvil | Someone needs to do a cache-optimal rotator. |
| 20:23.38 | anrp | that's going to be pretty hard... |
| 20:23.49 | mjr | ...and the mplayer binary doesn't play mpeg1 :I |
| 20:23.53 | anrp | huh? |
| 20:23.55 | SpeedEvil | Yes, it does. |
| 20:23.57 | mjr | which would mostly be the one to shoot for |
| 20:24.11 | mjr | Could not find matching colorspace - retrying with -vf scale... |
| 20:24.11 | mjr | Opening video filter: [scale] |
| 20:24.11 | mjr | The selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec. |
| 20:24.13 | xkr47 | mkdir ~/.mplayer ; echo 'afm = libmad' > ~/.mplayer/config |
| 20:24.30 | anrp | -vo fb |
| 20:24.33 | anrp | mpegpes won't work |
| 20:24.37 | anrp | er fbdev |
| 20:24.58 | mjr | yes fbdev |
| 20:25.01 | SpeedEvil | -vo fbdev2 then -vo fbdev next invocation sometimes seems to help |
| 20:25.10 | SpeedEvil | have you killed Xfbdev? |
| 20:25.14 | anrp | i think that was only needed for the mplayer-opt-fm, SpeedEvil |
| 20:25.20 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 20:25.21 | mjr | I have |
| 20:25.23 | SpeedEvil | possibly |
| 20:27.39 | anrp | uh oh, a kde user D: |
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| 20:28.56 | SpeedEvil | It should be possible to hack the codec to produce prerotated output in most cases. |
| 20:29.05 | anrp | if it's block based |
| 20:29.06 | anrp | possibly |
| 20:29.12 | anrp | that.. would be one hell of a hack to the codec though |
| 20:29.23 | xkr47 | :) |
| 20:29.29 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 20:29.35 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Yeah, should be doable for any codec. ;o) |
| 20:29.38 | SpeedEvil | It would be 'free' though. |
| 20:29.44 | xkr47 | if only the lcd module supported rotating :) |
| 20:29.44 | SpeedEvil | In terms of decode power. |
| 20:30.04 | anrp | well, you'd lose a bit of cache locality |
| 20:30.05 | SpeedEvil | It does - but only in VGA. |
| 20:30.07 | anrp | not that much though |
| 20:30.14 | anrp | huh? |
| 20:30.26 | SpeedEvil | Pick up neo, rotate 90 degrees, place down. |
| 20:30.39 | anrp | too much work |
| 20:30.58 | SpeedEvil | Is there a way to get mencoder to spit out supported codecs? |
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| 20:31.29 | anrp | mm |
| 20:31.51 | SpeedEvil | nvm, I can just try them all in current manual. |
| 20:32.06 | anrp | mplayer -vf help | grep ffmpeg |
| 20:32.10 | anrp | er -vc help |
| 20:32.18 | anrp | that shows the decoders, encoders would be a subset |
| 20:32.42 | SpeedEvil | hmm. |
| 20:33.00 | mdt | i didn't get the beginning, but - you are viewing a video on a neo with mplayer? |
| 20:33.07 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 20:33.09 | pH5 | has anybody already tried to run mplayer with oprofile or something like that? |
| 20:33.11 | mdt | wow.. |
| 20:33.21 | SpeedEvil | It's not so much oprofile that's the problem. |
| 20:33.28 | mjr | just can't get the eabi binary to play mpeg-1 back |
| 20:33.31 | SpeedEvil | The problem is that rotation is an expensive operation. |
| 20:33.38 | SpeedEvil | mjr: 'works for me'. |
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| 20:33.41 | anrp | eabi D: |
| 20:33.45 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.58 | anrp | pastebin the full output of mplayer mjr ? |
| 20:34.01 | anrp | and the commandline |
| 20:34.44 | mdt | SpeedEvil, what do i need to try? is there a wiki? |
| 20:35.01 | SpeedEvil | You don't need to try anything. |
| 20:35.14 | mjr | http://pastebin.ca/653837 |
| 20:35.21 | SpeedEvil | look in the directory mentioned above for a binary of mplayer |
| 20:35.34 | SpeedEvil | then simply mplayer -vo fbdev foo |
| 20:35.36 | anrp | er |
| 20:35.40 | anrp | wait, so there's no video ? |
| 20:35.42 | mjr | what the, the video decoder is mpegpes? |
| 20:35.43 | SpeedEvil | after killing Xfbdev |
| 20:36.02 | anrp | it tries mpegpes first |
| 20:36.06 | SpeedEvil | I'm pretty sure the hardware doesn't support mpeg decoding :) |
| 20:36.08 | anrp | since that would passthrough to a hardware decoder |
| 20:36.13 | mjr | yes, video is a no-show, apparently because it doesn't want to decode it |
| 20:36.17 | mjr | how do I tell it to? |
| 20:36.23 | anrp | it is, though... |
| 20:36.31 | SpeedEvil | you have added -vo fbdev? |
| 20:36.31 | anrp | try fbdev2 |
| 20:36.40 | SpeedEvil | what size is this? |
| 20:36.44 | mjr | (by the way, have I yet said that mplayer sucks rocks?) |
| 20:36.46 | anrp | 352 x 240 |
| 20:37.01 | anrp | it does, but it is The Player(tm) on linux, sadly |
| 20:37.13 | mjr | fbdev2 puts the screen full of static and flashes it |
| 20:37.21 | mjr | the static is static though |
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| 20:37.34 | mjr | I use it only if other players don't play something |
| 20:37.44 | anrp | afaict, the first run of mplayer on that pastebin is doing the full decode |
| 20:38.00 | anrp | if it's not making it to the screen... could be something with eabi, but i kind of doubt it |
| 20:38.11 | anrp | try mplayer -vo fbdev -v -v -v -v file.mpg &> output.mpg |
| 20:38.14 | anrp | then paste again? |
| 20:38.21 | anrp | er not .mpg, lol |
| 20:38.23 | anrp | .log |
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| 20:41.21 | mjr | http://mjr.iki.fi/tmp/mp.log |
| 20:42.50 | anrp | it definately sees your screen |
| 20:42.57 | anrp | does cat /dev/zero > /dev/fb0 blank your screen? |
| 20:43.12 | mjr | better, mplayer plays non-mpeg1 files fine |
| 20:43.18 | anrp | ?? |
| 20:43.26 | borg_ | http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41634 |
| 20:43.38 | mjr | I said it plays non-mpeg1 files fine :] |
| 20:43.46 | mjr | well, at least as fine as is to be expected |
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| 20:44.03 | mjr | and yes I tried a few mpeg-1 files |
| 20:44.11 | anrp | and they all don't work? |
| 20:44.38 | anrp | maybe libmpeg2 doesn't like eabi |
| 20:44.38 | anrp | i wouldn't rule it out... |
| 20:44.41 | anrp | you could try -vfm ffmpeg to try the lavc mpeg1 decoder |
| 20:44.48 | mjr | mpeg2 doesn't work either, now that I tried one |
| 20:45.15 | mjr | now _there's_ my magic switch |
| 20:45.57 | anrp | i think libmpeg2 is supposed to be a few hairs faster though |
| 20:46.00 | anrp | wonder why it hangs? |
| 20:46.19 | mjr | yes, this does seem slowed than people have advertised mpeg-1 playing to be |
| 20:46.46 | anrp | you can probably try the oabi mplayer, kernels should have a compatibility mode unless its explicitly turned off |
| 20:46.51 | mjr | not untenable though |
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| 20:49.43 | anrp | huh actually |
| 20:49.47 | anrp | on my machine libmpeg2 is a bit slower |
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| 20:53.38 | SpeedEvil | And rotating at the same time. |
| 20:53.50 | SpeedEvil | About 5FPS@QVGA. |
| 20:54.19 | anrp | you're crazy, i say! |
| 20:54.32 | anrp | ffmpeg does have mpeg1 encoders as well |
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| 20:54.51 | anrp | and h264 at the other extreme... |
| 20:54.58 | anrp | i think it encodes to wmv1 too |
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| 20:55.04 | SpeedEvil | I just told it to encode 20s of a given video into all the codecs I could find. |
| 20:55.21 | SpeedEvil | ljpeg is the current loser on size :) |
| 20:55.30 | anrp | what, not rawvideo? |
| 20:55.34 | anrp | must be pretty terrible... |
| 20:55.54 | SpeedEvil | Well - I left out rawvideo. That'd be silly. |
| 20:56.03 | anrp | oh, ok |
| 20:56.16 | anrp | its theoretically possible to have a compressed something come out larger than the original |
| 20:56.24 | anrp | if you're exceedingly unlucky you might have such a file |
| 20:59.34 | anrp | huh, 320x240 mpeg1 uses 50% cpu for me for codec+vo |
| 20:59.54 | doc|home | hmmm, so you could double that with video acceleration? |
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| 21:00.03 | anrp | not double |
| 21:00.09 | mjr | mm, it was scaling 352x240->352x262, now I forced to play at native aspect |
| 21:00.12 | doc|home | or does memory become the bottleneck? |
| 21:00.16 | anrp | maybe get an extra 20% off |
| 21:00.19 | mjr | a bit snappier... |
| 21:00.23 | anrp | since you don't have to do colorspace conversion |
| 21:00.32 | anrp | if you actually figure out the idct hw, could be a lot faster |
| 21:00.57 | doc|home | me personally? erm, I'm washing my hair? |
| 21:01.09 | anrp | yes, you personally |
| 21:01.13 | anrp | stop twiddling the bits |
| 21:01.15 | anrp | it'll be faster! |
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| 21:01.57 | doc|home | but even then it'd be 80% max, right? so is it memory that's the problem then? |
| 21:02.09 | anrp | memory bandwidth is somewhat limited |
| 21:02.12 | anrp | basically, i don't know |
| 21:02.14 | mjr | well, anyway, seems the GTA01 is well-enough equipped to play prerotated qvga mpeg1/something else light, which is pretty much good enough for me |
| 21:02.17 | anrp | without hardwire i can't say |
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| 21:02.39 | SpeedEvil | Memory bandwidth isn't that bad. |
| 21:02.44 | SpeedEvil | In theory it's 600Mb/s. |
| 21:03.03 | SpeedEvil | If it's used appropriately with not wasting cache locality. |
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| 21:03.16 | doc|home | mjr: oh, and gta02 goes from 266mhx to 400mhz |
| 21:03.24 | doc|home | *Mhz |
| 21:03.25 | anrp | zomg fast D: |
| 21:03.29 | mjr | yes it does |
| 21:03.32 | doc|home | faster! :) |
| 21:03.39 | anrp | supaa speed!@ |
| 21:03.41 | doc|home | so it's going to be <<50% |
| 21:03.52 | anrp | and has opengl! |
| 21:04.01 | xkr47 | anrp, you should put up some wiki page for mplayer :) |
| 21:04.01 | doc|home | really? schweet |
| 21:04.08 | jgm | Don't suppose that OM2007.2 is now the default build with mokomakefile? |
| 21:04.10 | anrp | sadly if the schedule is anything like what gta01 was, they won't get it out before 08 :/ |
| 21:04.24 | mjr | well, the chipset will support opengles; hopefully we'll get _some_ driver support as well... |
| 21:04.57 | mjr | (that is, will support opengles features in hw) |
| 21:05.01 | anrp | we will have to rely on the fix team for any hardware accel on the smedia chip, though |
| 21:05.07 | anrp | since docs are unavailable |
| 21:05.11 | anrp | *fix |
| 21:05.12 | anrp | *fic |
| 21:05.13 | anrp | ~_~ |
| 21:05.14 | apt | :/ |
| 21:05.14 | mjr | indeed |
| 21:05.28 | xkr47 | in fic we trust |
| 21:05.29 | ScaredyCat | wtF |
| 21:05.40 | anrp | huh ffmpeg mpeg1 is 0.3s faster |
| 21:05.42 | ScaredyCat | anrp: it just booted |
| 21:05.50 | ScaredyCat | I did nothing |
| 21:05.58 | anrp | 64.78s vs 64.12s |
| 21:06.01 | anrp | what D: |
| 21:06.08 | anrp | i love that kind of bug |
| 21:06.16 | anrp | er 0.6s |
| 21:06.46 | ScaredyCat | a 5 hour 'glitch; |
| 21:06.50 | anrp | what about the plastic thing it came with? |
| 21:06.51 | anrp | i left that on |
| 21:07.00 | anrp | vinyl ftw |
| 21:07.02 | mjr | anrp, yeah, me too for now, but it's getting... bad |
| 21:07.10 | anrp | it was dirty though |
| 21:07.19 | SpeedEvil | ebay! |
| 21:07.24 | anrp | i actually left it on by mistake when i took it apart |
| 21:07.28 | anrp | so now its behind the bezel |
| 21:07.30 | anrp | oops ~_~;; |
| 21:07.43 | SpeedEvil | You can dig it out with a sharp axe. |
| 21:07.49 | anrp | or a sledgehammer |
| 21:08.08 | anrp | well ill probably take it apart at some point |
| 21:08.15 | anrp | to hook up the debug board |
| 21:08.24 | mjr | I was thinking of installing a protecting cover behind the bezel too |
| 21:08.27 | anrp | i didn't get it for nothing! by golly, i will brick it somehow! |
| 21:08.31 | mjr | though not the original one |
| 21:08.51 | anrp | i did lose the flash image |
| 21:08.56 | anrp | linux kernel image != splash image |
| 21:08.58 | ScaredyCat | ok, so I have no splash |
| 21:09.09 | anrp | that's on partition 4 |
| 21:09.25 | ScaredyCat | not any more :) |
| 21:09.30 | anrp | but i don't know where to find the actual image |
| 21:09.42 | ScaredyCat | splash? |
| 21:09.48 | anrp | the openmoko logo |
| 21:09.57 | ScaredyCat | ahh easy |
| 21:09.58 | SpeedEvil | splash images come from japan generally. |
| 21:09.59 | mdt | you removed it? how? |
| 21:10.10 | anrp | by flashing a linux kernel over it |
| 21:10.16 | mdt | i thought of replacing it... |
| 21:10.19 | ScaredyCat | wget http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/c/c2/System_boot.png |
| 21:10.22 | anrp | by mistake |
| 21:10.25 | anrp | does uboot read png? |
| 21:10.28 | mdt | oh... how does a linux kernel look? :D |
| 21:10.35 | anrp | very black |
| 21:10.45 | ScaredyCat | uboot reads bmp |
| 21:10.46 | SpeedEvil | mdt cat uImage >/dev/fb0 |
| 21:10.46 | mdt | anrp, interesting :D |
| 21:10.55 | anrp | oh alright |
| 21:11.05 | mdt | SpeedEvil, ? |
| 21:11.16 | ScaredyCat | anrp: just saying, that's what got me into trouble |
| 21:11.34 | ScaredyCat | look at openmoko/developers/werner/splash |
| 21:11.38 | mdt | so if i dfu - write to the slot named splash i replace the splash image? |
| 21:11.52 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 21:11.52 | SpeedEvil | anrp: what were you doing with playing with the framebuffer hardware? I'm wondering about large virtual screens. |
| 21:11.58 | ScaredyCat | you need 2 images |
| 21:12.35 | mdt | ScaredyCat, :D 2? what for? |
| 21:12.36 | ScaredyCat | well, i guess it's not compulsory.. |
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| 21:12.44 | ScaredyCat | the lil tux |
| 21:13.05 | ScaredyCat | I guess you can do without |
| 21:13.19 | ScaredyCat | but my neo boots agin now... |
| 21:13.24 | ScaredyCat | so hey wtf |
| 21:13.49 | anrp | the tux is inside the kernel itself |
| 21:14.06 | mjr | (oo, 2007-2 announces itself over zeroconf |
| 21:14.17 | ScaredyCat | anrp: did u look at werner's stuff |
| 21:14.30 | anrp | werner? not yet |
| 21:14.39 | ScaredyCat | look at openmoko/developers/werner/splash |
| 21:14.41 | anrp | as for the fb, i haven't tried anything really |
| 21:14.53 | anrp | the kernel driver doesn't support the lcd hardware scrolling, SpeedEvil |
| 21:15.06 | anrp | it could but right now it doesn't, just sets it up for the beginning of the fb |
| 21:15.21 | SpeedEvil | ah. |
| 21:15.39 | SpeedEvil | It would be nice for stuff like big maps. |
| 21:15.54 | anrp | it would be a bit odd though to coordinate it with x |
| 21:16.16 | anrp | you could make a pseudo-Xfbdev that understood how to map a virtual screen size on to the s3c hw |
| 21:16.18 | SpeedEvil | X would prolly need to drive it. |
| 21:16.19 | anrp | i guess... |
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| 21:16.30 | SpeedEvil | X has done virtual screens forever. |
| 21:16.52 | anrp | indeed, but not that often used |
| 21:17.03 | anrp | man i wish i had a datasheet for the lcm |
| 21:17.14 | SpeedEvil | generally to give more hotizontal space. |
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| 21:19.37 | anrp | i've always filed it away with "horizontal scrolling = bad" but that's probably cause i used macs a long time ago |
| 21:20.16 | doc|home | virtual screens rock |
| 21:20.33 | doc|home | er, no, I'm thinking virtual desktops |
| 21:23.27 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
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| 21:23.44 | anrp | annoying |
| 21:23.58 | anrp | the shipped Xfbdev refuses to run on a 240x320 screen |
| 21:24.19 | SpeedEvil | h263p is only 6% slower than mpeg1 |
| 21:24.32 | anrp | you haven't turned on all the options |
| 21:24.45 | SpeedEvil | What options? |
| 21:25.00 | anrp | better motion estimation, qbel, gmc, etc |
| 21:25.03 | anrp | *qpel |
| 21:25.12 | SpeedEvil | I mean decoding |
| 21:25.14 | anrp | you don't want em though since they slow down decode |
| 21:25.19 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 21:25.29 | anrp | they give better quality for smaller files |
| 21:25.30 | mjr | hmm, at least once the GTA02 will come, what with wifi and all, will have to make arrangements to stream live TV to it when bandwidth available... |
| 21:26.10 | mjr | (from my home box with its DVB receivers, of course) |
| 21:26.22 | SpeedEvil | Most cluster around 10 and 11 seconds. |
| 21:26.44 | SpeedEvil | excluding ffv, and ljpeg |
| 21:26.45 | anrp | anything that looks like MPEG has a large amount of common implementation in lavc |
| 21:26.52 | anrp | which is why it supports so many of them |
| 21:26.55 | SpeedEvil | which are out at 40s+ |
| 21:27.18 | anrp | so, mpeg1, mpeg2, msmpeg4, h263, h264, wmv |
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| 21:27.20 | anrp | share a lot of code |
| 21:27.39 | anrp | wmv is probably the least common |
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| 21:29.36 | SpeedEvil | wmv1 was out at 12s, wmv2 not enabled |
| 21:30.13 | pH5 | strange. on my phone -vo x11 -fs seems to be faster than -vo fbdev when rotating with -vf rotate=90 |
| 21:30.46 | SpeedEvil | maybe it has a non pessimal rotate |
| 21:31.10 | anrp | x11 is enabled ?? |
| 21:32.33 | SpeedEvil | doesn't seem so here |
| 21:32.56 | anrp | not on mine |
| 21:33.02 | anrp | you sure its actually using x11? |
| 21:33.05 | SpeedEvil | maybe a corrupt download. |
| 21:33.17 | anrp | that would be a very interesting corruption |
| 21:33.20 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 21:39.19 | sdfghj | ok, how do you get to use the dfu stuff, if it wont boot with usb attached :/ |
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| 21:41.20 | hhf423 | hi folks |
| 21:41.34 | hhf423 | where would I find a dfu util for Windows? |
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| 21:48.44 | DukeOfURL | with both AT&T and T-Mob SIMs, I get "+CME ERROR: 10". can anyone explain this? |
| 21:49.35 | hhf423 | but they are recent SIMs, i.e. voltage ok etc? |
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| 21:49.40 | mellon | What did you type? |
| 21:49.44 | mellon | What does the SIM say on it? |
| 21:49.52 | mellon | I have a t-mobile US SIM that's working okay. |
| 21:50.34 | hhf423 | does noone know if and where there is a DFU util for Windows? |
| 21:51.36 | mellon | Maybe look around for a Zaurus utility for Windows? |
| 21:51.52 | mellon | Seems like there ought to be one out there somewhere. |
| 21:52.50 | hhf423 | hmmm |
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| 21:55.03 | ljp | if they are 3g sim's, they will most likely fail, as the neo is 2.5g |
| 21:55.44 | mjr | ljp, thing is they're apparently "supposed" to be backwards gsm-compatible |
| 21:55.47 | defer_ | i don't think there's a difference between 3g sims |
| 21:56.25 | pH5 | ljp: that's got nothing to do with it. I'm using several 3g sims with several 2.5g phones |
| 21:56.33 | ljp | i have seen 2.5g phones destroy 3g sims |
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| 21:57.30 | pH5 | mmh |
| 21:57.45 | mjr | ljp, no you (likely) haven't. You've seen operators disconnect sims because they're used in 2g cells, because they only have 3g networks themselves and rely on roaming to cover more area |
| 21:57.59 | mjr | and hence require the use of a 3g cellphone |
| 21:58.06 | ljp | hmm. you sure about what I have seen or not seen, hey |
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| 21:58.18 | mjr | No, in fact I explicitly noted so. |
| 21:58.43 | anrp | get the 8525 if you must get one |
| 21:58.46 | ljp | ok, well. like I said, I have seen 2.5g phones destroy 3g sims |
| 21:58.48 | anrp | us+europe+japan roaming! |
| 21:58.49 | mjr | anyway, yeah, umts-neo, must-buy, whenever one hopefully comes |
| 21:59.12 | Basheri | yeap |
| 21:59.26 | mjr | (Let's once again look into the future, all the way to the year 2000...) |
| 21:59.30 | mjr | ljp, ok |
| 21:59.39 | mjr | if you insist :) |
| 21:59.55 | ljp | you are the one doubting to what I have witnessed |
| 22:00.12 | doc|home | how long before the neo supports 3g? |
| 22:00.16 | anrp | years |
| 22:00.19 | doc|home | or is that :/ |
| 22:00.20 | mjr | yes, because it seemed the likelier scenario |
| 22:00.24 | mjr | so? |
| 22:01.02 | mjr | doc|home, nobody has a clue outside moko/fic inc. Maybe not even them very much, we'll see. |
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| 22:04.21 | doc|home | how long before operators switch to 3g? |
| 22:04.52 | doc|home | "In 2005, about 40% of subscribers used 3G networks only, and 2G use declined. It was expected that the transition to 3G would be largely completed during 2006, and upgrades to the next 3.5G stage with 3 Mbit/s data rates were under way." |
| 22:04.58 | doc|home | - wikipedia |
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| 22:05.23 | mjr | I expect gsm to be with us for a good while yet. |
| 22:05.40 | ScaredyCat | does anyone know what a 'factory reset' actually does? |
| 22:05.42 | mjr | getting 3g coverage everywhere is expensive... |
| 22:08.01 | SpeedEvil | There are what - a dozen standards + bands? |
| 22:08.12 | SpeedEvil | Of that order anyway. |
| 22:08.13 | mjr | and tossing the existing widespread gsm capacity when the infra is ready is not exactly appealing to many companies... |
| 22:08.22 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: standards are good - there are so many to chose from! |
| 22:08.27 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 22:08.52 | ScaredyCat | i don't think it does much :) |
| 22:09.33 | ScaredyCat | usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 10 |
| 22:09.33 | ScaredyCat | usb 3-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110 |
| 22:09.34 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 22:09.49 | SpeedEvil | Worked then, |
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| 22:13.45 | ScaredyCat | ok, so it looks like I'm going to have a retarded neo ... |
| 22:13.46 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
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| 22:16.47 | hhf423 | does noone know if and where there is a DFU util for Windows? |
| 22:16.58 | anrp | 1i don't think anyone's compiled one |
| 22:17.05 | anrp | or tested |
| 22:17.48 | hhf423 | so looks like I have to install linux to get my neo flashed... |
| 22:18.00 | anrp | :/ |
| 22:18.15 | ScaredyCat | .. |
| 22:18.19 | defer_ | doesn't sound that bad |
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| 22:19.07 | SpeedEvil | while ! e2fsck /dev/foo |
| 22:19.08 | SpeedEvil | do |
| 22:19.10 | hhf423 | or can I boot from the SD card? |
| 22:19.16 | SpeedEvil | dd if=/dev/urandom >/dev/foo |
| 22:19.17 | SpeedEvil | done |
| 22:19.18 | cesarb | hhf423: the problem is that most neo users are linux/unix users, and it shows |
| 22:19.27 | ScaredyCat | lol... there I was , chatting to myself... |
| 22:19.35 | mjr | all neo users are linux users ;] |
| 22:19.40 | mjr | that's what it runs |
| 22:19.42 | cesarb | hhf423: yeah, AFAIK you can flash from the SD card... try to find it on the wiki |
| 22:19.51 | cesarb | mjr: I meant desktop linux users |
| 22:19.53 | SpeedEvil | IIRC it requires an ext2 image. |
| 22:20.01 | ScaredyCat | hhf423: I need to do that too! |
| 22:20.12 | ScaredyCat | [2007-08-11 23:16:29] * ScaredyCat wonders why you can boot ext2 on the neo, but you can't actually create the ext2 fs with the neo |
| 22:20.19 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: that's not actually a problem, is it? IIRC there are ext2 browsers for windows... |
| 22:20.20 | hhf423 | cesarb: yes. there seems to be DFU for windows, but it looks like there are only exe's with firmware bundled, like for some BT stick etc |
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| 22:20.29 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: dunno. |
| 22:21.05 | hhf423 | awww, I'll look to that tomorrow, need some sleep. had too little on the camp. |
| 22:21.11 | hhf423 | g'night |
| 22:21.21 | ScaredyCat | bleh |
| 22:21.41 | cesarb | hhf423: I would try to write a DFU util for windows to help on these cases, only that (a) I don't have a windows machine to test (b) I don't actually know much about windows programming (other than using cross-platform toolkits) (c) I think my neo is on the next batch |
| 22:22.06 | Basheri | It's cool to be part of the majority as a linux user for change ;) |
| 22:22.06 | ScaredyCat | d) he's gone |
| 22:22.23 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: meh, I should have typed faster :( |
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| 22:22.34 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 22:22.40 | yoyo_ | hi all |
| 22:22.46 | ScaredyCat | still... you can help me now cesarb |
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| 22:23.30 | ScaredyCat | I need a bootable ext2 image that'll reflash my neo.. |
| 22:23.51 | ScaredyCat | the good news is that the neo has dd :) |
| 22:24.15 | ScaredyCat | the bad news is.. I don;t have a card reader :( |
| 22:24.45 | yoyo_ | question: where can I publish my application? |
| 22:24.45 | aloril | yoyo_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:25.08 | ScaredyCat | to be honest, I think all I need is to 'repair' my env stuff |
| 22:25.19 | ScaredyCat | yoyo_: what is it :) |
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| 22:26.25 | yoyo_ | ScaredyCat: I wrote a simple bt panel applet. I't on/off bt. |
| 22:26.34 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: why? is it not autobooting? |
| 22:26.52 | ScaredyCat | it boots cesarb... but it as issues.. |
| 22:27.02 | ScaredyCat | I can't boot at all with usb connected.. |
| 22:27.03 | DukeOfURL | on the GSM antenna icon, what do the two horizontal lines indicate? |
| 22:27.12 | mjr | yoyo_, cool, now make it connect to a bnep PAN :) |
| 22:27.17 | ScaredyCat | which means I can't use dfu to flash it.. |
| 22:27.35 | ScaredyCat | whcih means I'm stuck with the current image.. :( |
| 22:27.39 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: even if you boot into uboot first and then plug the cable? |
| 22:27.53 | ScaredyCat | it locks up.. |
| 22:28.13 | ScaredyCat | and I get |
| 22:28.15 | ScaredyCat | usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 21 |
| 22:28.16 | ScaredyCat | usb 3-1: device not accepting address 21, error -110 |
| 22:28.44 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: I don't think the environment partition has anything to do with it |
| 22:28.57 | yoyo_ | jr: I thought to make part to send files |
| 22:29.04 | ScaredyCat | boot params are in there, no ? |
| 22:29.13 | ScaredyCat | that's what I messed with last :) |
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| 22:29.22 | mjr | yoyo_, well, that too :) |
| 22:29.46 | ScaredyCat | sounds nice yoyo_ |
| 22:29.51 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: but the boot params are for the kernel, and you are not loading it if you are stopping on uboot... |
| 22:30.17 | ScaredyCat | well, there's a usb driver in there somewhere :) |
| 22:30.44 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: it's on the uboot binary itself, it does not depend on the environment |
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| 22:31.02 | ScaredyCat | but the env params do affect stuff, that's where the first splash is defined |
| 22:31.06 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: but I can believe the DFU getting confused if the partitioning stuff on the environment gets lost |
| 22:31.37 | ScaredyCat | do a printenv and you'll see the splashimage= |
| 22:31.45 | ScaredyCat | (I no longer have one :( ) |
| 22:31.59 | yoyo | In present there is a problem. When I show file chooser dialog I'w get G_MAXLONG :( |
| 22:32.47 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: I'm looking at flash.sh, which creates it for qemu (as I said, I don't have a device yet...) |
| 22:33.10 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: I think the mtdparts line is more important |
| 22:33.49 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but if I miscalculated it could be overwriting the memory.. |
| 22:33.52 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: since it's different for each device (see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks) and determines where the partitions are |
| 22:34.05 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 22:34.34 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: it's possible that if it's missing it could be confusing the DFU code (which does calculate things based on it, and I don't think Harald ever tested it with a blank env part) |
| 22:35.38 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: if you can get to the uboot console, you could try doing the dynpart (without the saveenv, so it's volatile) and seeing if it makes sense |
| 22:35.50 | cesarb | (don't ask me _how_ you will know if it makes sense...) |
| 22:36.03 | anrp | http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/neo/dfu/ |
| 22:36.06 | anrp | i just compiled that |
| 22:36.08 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but I can't get to the uboot console :( |
| 22:36.11 | anrp | i have zero idea if it works.... i'll try |
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| 22:37.50 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: not being able to get to the uboot console via USB if the environment part is accidentally hosed might be an important uboot bug which should be fixed... (not that it would help you, since you cannot flash it) |
| 22:38.07 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: but you said you can get to the normal linux userspace, right? |
| 22:38.18 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 22:38.31 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: you might be able to flash from there... |
| 22:39.02 | yoyo | ScaredyCat: about two horizontal lines indicate- if you have two lines you have a no gprs_mode connection |
| 22:40.52 | yoyo | the source code says. the source code says. |
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| 22:44.34 | anrp | hey, it actually worked! |
| 22:45.17 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: you can read the environment partition at /dev/mtdblock1 |
| 22:45.23 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: but it is in some binary format |
| 22:45.51 | anrp | well .. hm, not quite |
| 22:46.22 | ScaredyCat | mmmm... |
| 22:47.15 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: and it seems like you can overwrite it easily too, so if you know what to put on it, you can fix it |
| 22:48.39 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: as for the DFU, it seems it is designed to run 'dynpart' automatically if no partitions are found... It might be possible that the system might be in a state where dynpart didn't expect it... or perhaps dynpart takes too long and it looks as if it has crashed (and timeouts the linux host)? |
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| 22:49.48 | yoyo | question: where can I download gllin app? |
| 22:50.03 | anrp | answer: you can't, legally |
| 22:50.04 | cesarb | yoyo: you can't |
| 22:50.14 | ScaredyCat | bad yoyo |
| 22:50.19 | ScaredyCat | naughty yoyo |
| 22:50.24 | ScaredyCat | in your bed |
| 22:50.29 | doc|home | yoyo no know |
| 22:50.31 | anrp | now someone distributed something called "definately_not_gllin.tar" a couple days ago |
| 22:51.04 | anrp | perhaps they were wrong |
| 22:51.13 | ScaredyCat | it was a picture of a guy and a donkey |
| 22:51.21 | ScaredyCat | it was very wrong |
| 22:51.21 | ScaredyCat | : |
| 22:51.36 | yoyo | On my delivered neo I'w got a kernel panik and I flash it |
| 22:51.51 | cesarb | yoyo: read the FAQ on the wiki |
| 22:52.01 | cesarb | yoyo: the panic is because there was no rootfs |
| 22:52.05 | ScaredyCat | you'll need to nand erase :) |
| 22:52.10 | cesarb | yoyo: so, don't worry, you didn't overwrite anything |
| 22:52.30 | ScaredyCat | so, cesarb .. what are the nvram files ? |
| 22:52.34 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: AFAIK the bug which caused the need for nand erase on rootfs was already fixed on uboot |
| 22:52.53 | ScaredyCat | k |
| 22:52.59 | yoyo | I'm not worring :) yyy my English |
| 22:53.10 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: and, on first flash of rootfs, it's already erased ;-) |
| 22:54.14 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 22:54.42 | jaebird | just ordered a dell with ubuntu |
| 22:55.23 | doc|home | jaebird: do you feel both dirty and good, all at the same time? :) |
| 22:55.23 | jaebird | doc|home: exactly, great description |
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| 22:55.41 | jaebird | don't know how many times i just got up and walked away! |
| 22:55.49 | anrp | but.. but.. dell! |
| 22:55.51 | doc|home | hehehe |
| 22:55.59 | doc|home | anrp: but not windows! |
| 22:56.05 | anrp | but.. but.. dell! |
| 22:56.15 | doc|home | it's really tough to find a laptop which you can be sure was never sullied with windows :/ |
| 22:56.25 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: did you get something from the mtdblock1 partition (dd if=/dev/mtdblock1 of=somewhereelse)? |
| 22:56.26 | anrp | true enough |
| 22:56.41 | doc|home | my hatred for dell < my determination never to give MS another penny |
| 22:56.54 | Basheri | yeap |
| 22:57.05 | doc|home | and I really hate dell :| |
| 22:57.14 | cesarb | doc|home: I heard somewhere you can somehow make a "whitebox" laptop |
| 22:57.15 | anrp | but why D: |
| 22:57.21 | anrp | a whitebox laptop? |
| 22:57.25 | anrp | of all the bad ideas ... |
| 22:57.32 | cesarb | doc|home: it comes without CPU, without memory, and most important, without any HD |
| 22:57.33 | doc|home | cesarb: yeah, tends to be more hassle than it's worth imo |
| 22:57.40 | cesarb | doc|home: without HD means without any OS |
| 22:57.47 | doc|home | cesarb: the cases themselves are pretty pricey :/ |
| 22:57.51 | doc|home | and generally ugly |
| 22:57.56 | ScaredyCat | 16.0k Aug 11 23:56 mtdblock1.bin |
| 22:58.21 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: what is on it? ;-) |
| 22:59.18 | anrp | .bin things! |
| 23:02.13 | ScaredyCat | cesarb: http://pastebin.ca/653967 |
| 23:02.50 | anrp | hm |
| 23:02.52 | anrp | almost works |
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| 23:06.09 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: the readable parts look sane to me, except the splashimage one, but I don't know how to read the binary parts, so I can't be sure about them |
| 23:06.14 | ScaredyCat | I can see my typo roo |
| 23:06.20 | ScaredyCat | too |
| 23:06.20 | yoyo | sleep :) seea |
| 23:06.53 | ScaredyCat | 0x2000000 should be 0x32000000 |
| 23:07.50 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: isn't that the address it writes the splash image to? what's there at the wrong address? |
| 23:08.06 | ScaredyCat | could be anyhting! |
| 23:08.28 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: could be uboot itself, if you are really lucky ;-) |
| 23:08.39 | orzo | is the package pool for the neo the same for open embedded and the one the ipkg maintainers seem to keep? |
| 23:08.59 | orzo | are these all coming from the same place? |
| 23:09.14 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: I wonder how would uboot behave if you surgically edited that partition so instead of "splashimage" it read "spl4sh1m4g3" |
| 23:09.26 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: would it simply show no splash image at all? |
| 23:09.46 | ScaredyCat | well, it doesn't show one atm either ;) |
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| 23:11.40 | noon | good noght every body |
| 23:12.16 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: a test with qemu (erasing the variable in uboot instead of changing its name, the effect should be the same) shows it displays tux overwritten by some crazy hex stringy and a random date, and then proceeds as normal |
| 23:12.35 | cesarb | (it also displays its version, I don't recal if it always did so) |
| 23:13.17 | ScaredyCat | iirc it displays it's version number/string |
| 23:14.02 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: so, IF you manage to correctly overwrite one of the characters of the variable name, IF there is no CRC protecting the environment (if there is, well, you saved a copy of all the variables, I hope you can get to the uboot console without them), and IF that was the cause of the breakage, THEN it should work again, and you should do a writeup on the wiki ;-) |
| 23:14.09 | cesarb | (wow that was a long line of text) |
| 23:14.38 | ScaredyCat | it was... |
| 23:14.46 | ScaredyCat | and if it doesn't work... |
| 23:14.54 | ScaredyCat | .. you'll send me your neo :) |
| 23:17.00 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: the most probable reason for it not working would be a CRC on the environment, in which case you would get a blank environment |
| 23:19.45 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: btw, if there's no hexeditor on the neo, and you are crazy enough, you can edit single bytes with dd ;-) |
| 23:20.54 | ScaredyCat | well, it's bricked |
| 23:21.22 | cesarb | :( |
| 23:21.50 | ScaredyCat | wait |
| 23:21.55 | cesarb | ? |
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| 23:23.36 | ScaredyCat | it's not bricked... |
| 23:24.05 | ScaredyCat | ok, so it comes up with tux + version string |
| 23:24.14 | ScaredyCat | then doesn nothing.. |
| 23:24.25 | ScaredyCat | press aux and power = boot menu |
| 23:24.42 | ScaredyCat | with boot or factory reset |
| 23:24.56 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: it probably lost the whole environment (the first 4 bytes of the environment probably are some sort of CRC) |
| 23:25.03 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: try the USB now |
| 23:25.23 | ScaredyCat | /dev/ttyACM0 appears, but is useless |
| 23:25.27 | jaebird | Interesting...sony ericsson w580 uses an accelerometer to skip ahead or back when playing tunes |
| 23:25.36 | jaebird | shake to play random song :) |
| 23:25.41 | xkr47 | heh |
| 23:25.54 | jaebird | read it in PopSci this month... |
| 23:25.55 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: if you can get to the console, you can do all the setenv (using the variables you saved earlier) and thus restore everything to working order |
| 23:26.09 | ScaredyCat | but I can't - still |
| 23:27.39 | cesarb | damn... is it possible that uboot doesn't default to allowing USB console? |
| 23:27.56 | cesarb | and DFU, does it work? |
| 23:28.06 | ScaredyCat | also says bad magic number.. |
| 23:28.12 | ScaredyCat | wll try dfu |
| 23:29.03 | cesarb | If dfu works, you could restore the env partition the the file you saved (broken state, but...), or perhaps pop the env partition into the emulator, edit it there, extract it, and write one with the correct CRC |
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| 23:29.36 | cesarb | (well, if DFU works, it's better than what was before, where it was DFU which was broken...) |
| 23:30.08 | ScaredyCat | Starting download: [##################################################dfu_download error -110 |
| 23:30.08 | ScaredyCat | ] finished! |
| 23:30.09 | ScaredyCat | unable to read DFU status |
| 23:31.46 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: was that the env partition? |
| 23:32.07 | ScaredyCat | no |
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| 23:34.41 | ScaredyCat | drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c: This device cannot do calls on its own. It is no modem. |
| 23:34.42 | ScaredyCat | cdc_acm 3-1:1.0: ttyACM0: USB ACM device |
| 23:34.46 | cesarb | hm, according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot, it doesn't default to USB, it defaults to the serial |
| 23:35.22 | SpeedEvil | usb-serial |
| 23:35.23 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 23:35.32 | SpeedEvil | acm is a serial |
| 23:35.46 | SpeedEvil | cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 23:35.52 | SpeedEvil | or minicom, or whatever |
| 23:35.57 | SpeedEvil | and you get a u-boot console |
| 23:36.10 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it defaults to the internal serial (the one in the debug board) unles you set the stdin/stdout/stderr stuff, if I read the wiki page correctly |
| 23:36.11 | dando- | cat /dev/ttyACM0 |
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| 23:37.06 | dando- | it is one of the inovations of UNIX in the 70s |
| 23:37.53 | SpeedEvil | Is this a 'normal' image - or a broken one. |
| 23:38.08 | SpeedEvil | Because the normal one the usb-serial is active. |
| 23:38.31 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: a normal one with an invalid environment |
| 23:38.38 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 23:40.23 | SpeedEvil | can't you re-DFU a valid environ? |
| 23:40.34 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: if your uboot environment has the same partition scheme as the one on http://pastebin.ca/653967, could you extract it (dd if=/dev/mtdblock1 of=somewhere) and send it to ScaredyCat? |
| 23:41.08 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: DFU was broken before (perhaps because of a broken splashimage line), but now that it's using a default environment, it isn't anymore |
| 23:42.01 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 23:42.17 | SpeedEvil | I forget it crashes everytime I do that. |
| 23:42.29 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: ? |
| 23:43.24 | cesarb | If this all works, I'm going to file a bug requesting a better defaut environment to be used when the CRC fails on the normal one (and/or a magic key combination to get the default environment back) |
| 23:43.29 | SpeedEvil | everytime I do cat /dev/mtd* it loses NAND |
| 23:44.09 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: ouch |
| 23:44.22 | ckuethe | you're not supposed to do cat /dev/null > /dev/mtd* ;) |
| 23:44.37 | SpeedEvil | no - cat /dev/mtd* >/dev/null crashes |
| 23:44.41 | SpeedEvil | loses access to |
| 23:44.44 | SpeedEvil | NAND |
| 23:44.59 | ckuethe | i gathered. i was being silly. |
| 23:45.19 | anrp | why though? |
| 23:46.29 | ckuethe | i don't usually do that on a first date... |
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| 23:48.15 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - I filed a bug on that months ago. ;-) |
| 23:49.10 | SpeedEvil | What's the difference between the mtd*1* devices? |
| 23:49.38 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=567 |
| 23:50.25 | Elrond | Anyway. Good night people. |
| 23:50.40 | ScaredyCat | isn;t the block1 just environment vars? |
| 23:50.52 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:51.13 | SpeedEvil | (which has nothing to do with mt devices) |
| 23:53.11 | SpeedEvil | Is there something in proc I can echo to to make it reboot? |
| 23:54.29 | Linux_Galore | interesting quote from /. today -> Do you understand how liberating that is? I was a sand-pounding infantryman for god's sake, and now a year later I am a skilled worker in the IT industry, thanks to Open Source. |
| 23:55.28 | cesarb | Great, I can get a working environment from qemu... but how can I copy the file to _outside_ qemu? |
| 23:55.35 | cesarb | The emulated SD writing is broken |
| 23:56.02 | Linux_Galore | morning here, nice sunny day too, seems to be some kind or city to surf race on were people prove they can torture themselves by running really fast for an hour |
| 23:56.09 | Linux_Galore | <- Sydney |
| 23:56.09 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 23:56.38 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.net/mtd |
| 23:56.55 | ScaredyCat | tis down |
| 23:56.59 | SpeedEvil | this is 16K, and looks like what showenv ssyas |
| 23:57.02 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/mtd |
| 23:57.03 | SpeedEvil | meh |
| 23:58.32 | SpeedEvil | I think DFU however wants wrapping round the file to make it pretty, before it will look at it. |
| 23:59.19 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: wouldn't getting the partition's content with DFU add that wrapping for you? (does DFU upload to host work?) |
| 23:59.31 | SpeedEvil | dunno. |
