| 00:00.32 | daxxar | deep discharge = not even boot while usb connected? |
| 00:00.52 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 00:01.08 | SpeedEvil | It can't turn the battery charger to high rate without turning the CPU on. |
| 00:01.11 | Writchie | actually worse, many hours to reach 3.0v level |
| 00:01.22 | daxxar | Aha. |
| 00:01.27 | daMaestro | grr... my phone died again (battery) |
| 00:01.35 | happycube | possible perm. battery damage in that case too |
| 00:01.40 | SpeedEvil | Well - no. |
| 00:01.40 | happycube | i think <2.7v can kill it |
| 00:01.40 | daxxar | Hm, I've had my neo deep discharge while powered off, what causes that? |
| 00:01.54 | SpeedEvil | The modem is not powered off. |
| 00:01.59 | SpeedEvil | And maybe other stuff. |
| 00:02.07 | SpeedEvil | pop the battery out for 10s. |
| 00:02.24 | Vegar | the modem is evil |
| 00:02.30 | SpeedEvil | Why? |
| 00:02.35 | Vegar | does it really need to be connected directly to the battery? |
| 00:02.50 | SpeedEvil | Well - it does use moderately high current pulses. |
| 00:02.55 | daxxar | Ah, cool. Thanks. |
| 00:02.57 | SpeedEvil | Complicating the power switching. |
| 00:03.01 | daxxar | Doesn't the init-scripts shut down the modem? |
| 00:03.02 | Vegar | ah |
| 00:03.07 | daxxar | (perhaps I forcefully powered it off) |
| 00:03.09 | Writchie | this is not bad - it just software not ready for prime time |
| 00:03.11 | SpeedEvil | daxxar: I don't know. |
| 00:03.16 | daMaestro | daxxar, it should |
| 00:03.21 | daMaestro | that doesn't mean it doesn't |
| 00:03.27 | daMaestro | hmm.. does* |
| 00:03.28 | Vegar | daxxar: how's your neo? |
| 00:03.30 | SpeedEvil | However, I can only say that powering off by picking hte 'power off' option - the modem stays powered. |
| 00:03.33 | SpeedEvil | (in my tests) |
| 00:03.35 | daxxar | Vegar: Fine, :-) |
| 00:03.39 | daxxar | Running .2 atm |
| 00:03.47 | daxxar | Okay |
| 00:03.49 | daMaestro | the gsmd init scripts need work |
| 00:03.50 | SpeedEvil | Are there public .2 images? |
| 00:03.53 | Vegar | daxxar: screenshots |
| 00:04.02 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, i can't get it to build |
| 00:04.06 | daxxar | Vegar: It's offline, and I'm heading to bed. ;-) |
| 00:04.08 | Vegar | SpeedEvil: mickeyl released some images earlier today |
| 00:04.13 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 00:04.15 | Vegar | daxxar: meh |
| 00:04.15 | daxxar | Vegar: Poke me in privmsg, and I'll post tomorrow. |
| 00:04.26 | daxxar | I used dmitry's images |
| 00:04.33 | SpeedEvil | What're they like? As functional as previous ones? |
| 00:04.41 | daxxar | (from http://daxxar.slask.no/om/) |
| 00:05.12 | daxxar | G'night! |
| 00:05.15 | SpeedEvil | Can someone with a little spare cash please register neo1973.mobi now? |
| 00:05.23 | SpeedEvil | I notice openmoko.mobi got parked |
| 00:05.35 | Vegar | .mobi? |
| 00:05.39 | SpeedEvil | mobile |
| 00:06.11 | Vegar | Registrant Organization:Apertus Inc |
| 00:06.25 | daxxar | I would've done it, if my usual registrar had .mobi available. |
| 00:06.31 | daxxar | I cba signing up with a new one. |
| 00:07.50 | xkr47 | hmm gsm icon in top bar shows full signal strength even with no sim card inserted |
| 00:08.28 | mellon | Are you sure it's not showing no strength? |
| 00:08.45 | daxxar | Good night. :-) |
| 00:08.48 | xkr47 | there are five bars next to each other |
| 00:08.49 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, done and done |
| 00:09.16 | heikkit | one could say the sim card does not affect signal strength... |
| 00:10.07 | SpeedEvil | I imagine FIC would buy it off you :) |
| 00:10.24 | SpeedEvil | I haven't tried GSM with no SIM in. |
| 00:10.47 | xkr47 | heikkit, but I thought it has to choose antenna based on what sim you ahve |
| 00:10.59 | xkr47 | or do they use each other's antennas always |
| 00:11.08 | heikkit | I don't know anything about that, just guessing |
| 00:11.35 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, i've still not confirmation i got it; but i've been charged so i expect i have it |
| 00:11.53 | daMaestro | s/not/not gotten/ |
| 00:12.07 | cesarb | xkr47: given that it's supposed to be able to dial emergency services without a SIM, it makes a lot of sense |
| 00:12.15 | cesarb | xkr47: it's probably just getting the stronger signal around |
| 00:12.18 | xkr47 | cesarb, good point |
| 00:12.24 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: In some areas. |
| 00:12.35 | SpeedEvil | Do not expect this to work in the UK. |
| 00:12.35 | xkr47 | hmm hitting the power button kills applications |
| 00:12.37 | cesarb | xkr47: of course, that would be the case if the software were expected to work |
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| 00:12.46 | xkr47 | keeping it pressed for a few secs gives a menu |
| 00:12.52 | cesarb | xkr47: knowing its current state, the icon is probably just broken ;-) |
| 00:12.56 | mellon | I was hoping this antenna on the outside was a GSM antenna for indoor use, but I guess it's GPS? |
| 00:13.04 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 00:13.06 | SpeedEvil | GPS is outside |
| 00:13.10 | SpeedEvil | GSM is unde the case |
| 00:13.16 | SpeedEvil | open the back. |
| 00:13.18 | orzo | i've received my neo |
| 00:13.23 | SpeedEvil | Look down all the 'screwholes'. |
| 00:13.26 | mellon | yeah, i see it. |
| 00:13.28 | xkr47 | orzo, :) |
| 00:13.29 | SpeedEvil | one has a GSM antenna socket. |
| 00:13.31 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:13.43 | mellon | Looks like it might be tough to get an antenna onto that connector, though. |
| 00:13.51 | orzo | some images say moko10 and some say moko11 |
| 00:14.00 | orzo | the wiki says i want moko10 |
| 00:14.01 | mellon | does anybody have a source for a good antenna? |
| 00:14.04 | orzo | is that up to date? |
| 00:14.44 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: I thought emergency service dialling without a SIM was a mandatory part of the GSM spec? |
| 00:15.23 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 00:15.28 | SpeedEvil | Well. |
| 00:15.30 | SpeedEvil | You can dial. |
| 00:15.35 | SpeedEvil | You don't connect though. |
| 00:15.43 | rwhitby | Really? on 112 ? |
| 00:15.45 | Writchie | rwhitby: I think it's mandatory for handset to be able to do it if SIM card allows |
| 00:15.47 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 00:15.50 | SpeedEvil | 112/999 |
| 00:15.58 | SpeedEvil | On either inactive or no SIM. |
| 00:16.10 | Writchie | i mean network allows |
| 00:16.40 | rwhitby | ok, network allows I can understand. |
| 00:16.56 | xkr47 | good night and thx |
| 00:17.17 | Writchie | in some places the handset originating the 112 call is assigned a temp id so that a call back can be sent from the service center |
| 00:17.27 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, ok.. got it; forwarding it to the wiki |
| 00:17.40 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:18.02 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if FIC can point lawyers at openmoko.mobi |
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| 00:18.46 | orzo | what does the 11 or 10 mean in uimage-**-moko11-* |
| 00:19.17 | daMaestro | kernel release |
| 00:19.55 | orzo | i dont understand. i see "moko11" and "moko10" |
| 00:20.07 | orzo | those are kernel patches? |
| 00:20.27 | orzo | so if i just want the latest it would be moko11 ? |
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| 00:21.50 | SpeedEvil | Pick the one with the latest date, if in doubt. |
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| 00:27.30 | daMaestro | anyone using the om2007.2 makefile? |
| 00:35.12 | daMaestro | http://iphone.mobi/ lol |
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| 00:48.32 | daMaestro | hmm.. the browser really likes to crash from my last build |
| 00:48.59 | SpeedEvil | It's not especially stable even with oler. |
| 00:53.51 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, http://dpaste.com/16509/ ... |
| 00:53.54 | daMaestro | any ideas? |
| 00:54.42 | SpeedEvil | not really. |
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| 00:55.29 | daMaestro | do you know how to refresh gtk? |
| 00:55.35 | daMaestro | i mean i've viewed the log.. it is a build error |
| 00:55.59 | daMaestro | http://dpaste.com/16510/ |
| 00:58.08 | SpeedEvil | I've not run the build. |
| 00:59.55 | daMaestro | trying: make update |
| 01:00.04 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2678 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Tune the touchscreen parameters to get less jitter. |
| 01:00.41 | codyl | anyone know where i can order a mini-a to female usb a cable ? (for host on openmoko) |
| 01:01.56 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2679 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/pixmaps/xsplash.ppm: artwork/pixmaps: add xsplash.ppm |
| 01:02.39 | mickey|ccc07 | ~praise Shoragan |
| 01:02.40 | apt | All hail Shoragan! |
| 01:02.51 | Shoragan | thanks ;) |
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| 01:05.08 | jaebird | SpeedEvil: all good domains are registered |
| 01:05.17 | jaebird | .cc and .tv are still avail |
| 01:05.56 | zecke | I want xteddy in the default image! |
| 01:06.15 | jaebird | .name is still avail |
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| 01:08.05 | Vegar | less jitter? |
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| 01:14.12 | mickey|ccc07 | xteddy??? |
| 01:15.13 | DukeOfURL | ~praise rwhitby |
| 01:15.14 | apt | All hail rwhitby! |
| 01:16.04 | rwhitby | ~emulate rwhitby |
| 01:16.05 | apt | Well, my work here is done. |
| 01:16.22 | DukeOfURL | heh |
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| 01:19.31 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2680 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/misc/openmoko-today2-folders/ (ChangeLog PIM.directory Root.order): |
| 01:19.32 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-10 Stefan Schmidt <stefan@openmoko.org> |
| 01:19.32 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Change order for the filter menu and add a PIM category. |
| 01:19.32 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * PIM.directory: Added. |
| 01:19.32 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * Root.order: |
| 01:29.12 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2681 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * Adjust some catogories |
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| 01:47.53 | sagacis | good evening |
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| 01:52.14 | sagacis | mickey|ccc07, how's camp? |
| 01:53.19 | mickey|ccc07 | great |
| 01:53.24 | mickey|ccc07 | busy busy |
| 01:53.26 | mickey|ccc07 | but productive |
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| 02:10.37 | sagacis | I'm hoping for great output from ccc. A working phone would be fun. |
| 02:12.51 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2682 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/ (ChangeLog src/feed-selection-view.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 02:12.51 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-10 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 02:12.51 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Untested change to save some space in the initial view. Move the |
| 02:12.51 | CIA-20 | openmoko: update feed button from a GtkToolbar to the GtkHBox in the 'second' |
| 02:12.51 | CIA-20 | openmoko: row. |
| 02:12.55 | CIA-20 | openmoko: This saves a lot of real estate on the screen but the button has no |
| 02:12.57 | CIA-20 | openmoko: label violating 'Fitts Law'. Others have to decide... |
| 02:13.49 | jaebird | who is using gprs from ssh? |
| 02:13.58 | zecke | mickey|ccc07: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts'_law |
| 02:14.40 | mickey|ccc07 | interesting. |
| 02:14.53 | mickey|ccc07 | but given that I'm 23h awake now, i can't follow all that stuff |
| 02:16.02 | zecke | mickey|ccc07: http://holehan.blogspot.com/2006/07/small-steps-to-fittser-kde.html |
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| 02:19.12 | Vegar | I'm just wondering.. |
| 02:19.19 | Vegar | how do you do GUI development? |
| 02:19.24 | Vegar | how do you test things? |
| 02:19.47 | sagacis | Run in Xephyr or qemu |
| 02:20.12 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03alphaone * r2683 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/matchbox/theme.xml: |
| 02:20.12 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * Remove 'x' button in the panel. Applications are closed by pressing |
| 02:20.12 | CIA-20 | openmoko: the power button. (You'll need neod for that) |
| 02:21.50 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 02:21.52 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 02:21.53 | mellon | Hm, not sure using the power button is a good idea. The problem is that it's recessed, so not easy to activate. |
| 02:22.16 | SpeedEvil | And can be easy to double-click |
| 02:22.27 | mellon | True. |
| 02:22.44 | mellon | Hey, Apple has a working UI with only one button, the home button. |
| 02:22.59 | mickey|ccc07 | try it, it works good |
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| 02:23.30 | mellon | Hm, I guess it's not so bad. |
| 02:23.42 | SpeedEvil | better for right-handers |
| 02:23.45 | borg_ | the neo somehow consists only of mystery meat navigations soon |
| 02:23.53 | mickey|ccc07 | once you refitted your button it has a good feel |
| 02:24.13 | mickey|ccc07 | most of the buttons are not really centered as they come out of the factory |
| 02:24.20 | SpeedEvil | For lefr-handers, they are typically holding it in the right hand, covering the button. |
| 02:24.23 | jaebird | seems the chat scripts for gprs is crashing gsmd |
| 02:24.23 | mickey|ccc07 | hence they slightly get stuck |
| 02:24.42 | SpeedEvil | jaebird: my one at least has killall gsmd |
| 02:24.52 | Vegar | does the base kit come with a guitar pick? |
| 02:24.59 | SpeedEvil | you can't make calls and do GPRS at the same time. |
| 02:25.00 | borg_ | Vegar: yes |
| 02:25.04 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: I got one. |
| 02:25.08 | Vegar | oh, nice |
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| 02:25.29 | jaebird | SpeedEvil: are you saying that gsmd can't be running? |
| 02:25.31 | mellon | Should be able to receive a call and have it wipe out your GPRS connection. |
| 02:25.32 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 02:25.38 | SpeedEvil | you can't. |
| 02:25.40 | SpeedEvil | not yet. |
| 02:25.45 | mellon | Well, right, but ultimately. |
| 02:25.50 | SpeedEvil | That as I understand it requires multiplexing |
| 02:25.56 | SpeedEvil | which isn't implemented yet. |
| 02:26.00 | SpeedEvil | it's in progress. |
| 02:26.04 | jaebird | so you don't have to register? |
| 02:26.16 | SpeedEvil | to register? |
| 02:26.25 | jaebird | net reg |
| 02:26.29 | SpeedEvil | yes, you do. |
| 02:26.34 | freelock | Talking about buttons... I was thinking the AUX button would be convenient to toggle the keyboard... |
| 02:26.45 | SpeedEvil | it's _horrible_. |
| 02:26.49 | SpeedEvil | (IMO) |
| 02:27.26 | mellon | I think everybody with UI ideas should sit down and make their UI happen, and then make an image available with that UI, and then see what people think of it. |
| 02:27.46 | mellon | Good UIs aren't really designed by committee. |
| 02:27.52 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 02:28.36 | jaebird | seems like i keep getting a chap challenge |
| 02:28.38 | SpeedEvil | I mean a two phase AC, with opposite phases in each conductor |
| 02:28.49 | SpeedEvil | jaebird: you will |
| 02:29.14 | SpeedEvil | you need /etc/ppp/chap-secrets |
| 02:29.19 | jaebird | i have it |
| 02:29.21 | SpeedEvil | # Secrets for authentication using CHAP |
| 02:29.21 | SpeedEvil | # client server secret IP addresses |
| 02:29.21 | SpeedEvil | "gprs" * "gprs" * |
| 02:29.25 | SpeedEvil | or similar |
| 02:30.21 | jaebird | for cingular it is: "WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM" * "CINGULAR1" * |
| 02:30.23 | sagacis | jaebird, I got further with "gprs" * "gprs" * than with the username/password |
| 02:30.52 | SpeedEvil | Are you sure that's not the APN ? |
| 02:31.12 | sagacis | apn = "wap.cingular" |
| 02:31.13 | jaebird | cingular has stupid username/password, case sensitive no less |
| 02:32.09 | sagacis | with "gprs" "gprs", I get "CHAP authentication succeeded" followed by IP assignments |
| 02:32.25 | sagacis | However, with the usb0 attached, it won't change my routing |
| 02:32.26 | jaebird | sagacis: maybe i have to eat my words... |
| 02:32.47 | jaebird | i had to use the username/password on my E2 ROKR and N800...something funny here |
| 02:32.58 | jaebird | is there another level of auth? |
| 02:33.08 | SpeedEvil | route add default ppp0 |
| 02:33.12 | SpeedEvil | then it just works |
| 02:33.22 | SpeedEvil | (if ppp is connected) |
| 02:33.32 | SpeedEvil | the point-point route stays |
| 02:33.33 | sagacis | That's what I was just typing! |
| 02:33.45 | SpeedEvil | ah :) |
| 02:34.45 | sagacis | I have nameserver issues |
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| 02:36.55 | jaebird | ok...i can ping google (by ip) |
| 02:37.19 | jaebird | 500 ms pings |
| 02:37.52 | jaebird | do this all night...what else is unlimited for :) |
| 02:38.31 | sagacis | Me too! |
| 02:38.44 | sagacis | time to google for cingular nameservers |
| 02:39.44 | jaebird | opendns.com |
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| 02:43.56 | jaebird | just had a neo to neo connection over gprs! |
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| 02:46.46 | sagacis | Hey! You know my password! |
| 02:46.47 | shackan | jaebird: better than sex, wasn't it? |
| 02:47.52 | sagacis | jaebird, Yup, I got it. You should press "esc" before ":wq" to save the file! |
| 02:48.01 | sagacis | I'm on google |
| 02:48.05 | sagacis | Happy day! |
| 02:48.40 | SpeedEvil | how? server in the middle? |
| 02:48.57 | SpeedEvil | Most don't do inbound connections. |
| 02:49.21 | sagacis | We must be on the same subnet? |
| 02:49.40 | sagacis | OK, so now I can use the irc client I wrote on my phone.... |
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| 02:51.26 | daMaestro | is gprs <-> gprs "free" |
| 02:51.29 | daMaestro | on-net? |
| 02:51.48 | hoze1 | what provider? |
| 02:51.48 | aloril | hoze1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 02:52.26 | sagacis | ATT, unlimited gprs |
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| 02:53.21 | hoze1 | did you get a sim card from another phone, or just a bare card? |
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| 02:54.52 | sagacis_neo | :here i am |
| 02:55.25 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 02:55.48 | sagacis_neo | this is really hard |
| 02:56.29 | SpeedEvil | I cheated, and used an awk thingy to say privmsg* |
| 02:56.39 | sagacis_neo | he was probably using a better irc than telnet |
| 02:57.32 | Vegar | netcat > telnet |
| 02:58.06 | sagacis_neo | at least i can chat while d:m #openmoko driving to work |
| 02:59.27 | sagacis_neo | i compiled sic, but its like using awk |
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| 03:00.21 | sagacis_neo | man, i need a bt keyboard! |
| 03:00.33 | mellon | The new apple one is sweet. |
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| 03:01.25 | DukeOfURL | how does the kb pair with the Neo? |
| 03:01.33 | DukeOfURL | is BT on by default? |
| 03:01.46 | mellon | Doesn't seem to be. You probably need to do it from the command line. |
| 03:01.50 | mellon | I haven't figured it out yet. |
| 03:02.01 | cesarb | DukeOfURL: you need hcid iirc |
| 03:02.05 | mellon | The kernel seems to have the modules loaded, but they're probably powered off. |
| 03:02.15 | daMaestro | http://people.openmoko.org/mickey/images/ :-D |
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| 03:02.45 | cesarb | DukeOfURL: on debian you have to edit something on /etc/default to enable the loading of the daemon on /etc/init.d, don't know how it's done on the neo |
| 03:03.02 | DukeOfURL | k |
| 03:03.13 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Pre-built_snapshot_images ... |
| 03:03.39 | daMaestro | so, if these people can get the image to regularly build.... |
| 03:03.50 | daMaestro | i suppose i can't because i am relying on the makefiles? |
| 03:04.01 | mellon | cesarb: It's the same. |
| 03:04.43 | sagacis_neo | chekin" out the woo |
| 03:05.01 | mellon | Er, the /etc/default/bluetooth file sets HID2HCI_ENABLE=true |
| 03:05.50 | mellon | I haven't seen a decent linux UI for pairing, though. bluez supports pairing and bonding, but actually making it happen is another story. |
| 03:10.04 | rwhitby | daMaestro: the nslu2-linux feed builds every 15 minutes (when the previous build is finished) |
| 03:11.59 | mellon | Hm, I don't see any actual evidence of a bluetooth controller while poking around with today's 2007.2 build. |
| 03:12.55 | SpeedEvil | you mean an app? |
| 03:13.04 | mellon | No, I mean a device. |
| 03:13.17 | mellon | lsusb only shows one device. |
| 03:13.24 | SpeedEvil | you neeed to turn it on |
| 03:13.34 | SpeedEvil | htere is a power enable in proc |
| 03:13.39 | mellon | can't turn it on if I don't find its power setting. |
| 03:13.49 | SpeedEvil | find /sys/ -name "*bt*" |
| 03:14.01 | sagacis | OK, that was fun for a while, but ugh so hard to type |
| 03:14.23 | mellon | ah, look at that. |
| 03:14.55 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.32 | mellon | ooh, that did it! |
| 03:15.34 | mellon | whee! |
| 03:16.59 | mellon | hm, of course it's not seeing any other bluetooth devices. |
| 03:17.27 | mellon | ah, now it is. yay! |
| 03:18.05 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 03:19.06 | daMaestro | rwhitby, i'm getting tons of issues with the makefile |
| 03:20.25 | daMaestro | rwhitby, http://dpaste.com/16528/ |
| 03:20.59 | daMaestro | i just started from scratch .... this is the result |
| 03:21.27 | rwhitby | Did you look in /home/jon/OM2007.2/openmoko/tmp/work/i686-linux/autoconf-native-2.61-r0/temp/log.do_compile.19482 ? |
| 03:21.36 | rwhitby | (I bet it says that you should install help2man) |
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| 03:23.06 | daMaestro | rwhitby, very much so |
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| 03:29.24 | sagacis | Has anybody compiled a better web browser, or is the one in 2007.2 any better? |
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| 03:30.14 | daMaestro | rwhitby, thanks... building now; issues i had in the past were: http://dpaste.com/16509/ ...which was gtk+ failing: http://dpaste.com/16510/ |
| 03:31.06 | daMaestro | make update got me to the help2man issue, trying to get past that no |
| 03:31.07 | daMaestro | w |
| 03:31.28 | daMaestro | yess..... http://neo1973.mobi |
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| 03:38.25 | orzo | how do i recalibrate the touch screen? |
| 03:38.45 | SpeedEvil | xtscal |
| 03:40.04 | orzo | thanks |
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| 03:42.31 | daMaestro | rwhitby, so you are involved with nslu2-linux.org? |
| 03:43.30 | daMaestro | rwhitby, if so.. you guys really should fix the mod_autoindex for http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ .. or minimally give us a symlink to the latest image? |
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| 03:48.37 | orzo | less doesnt seem to work |
| 03:48.41 | orzo | in my ssh terminal |
| 03:49.22 | rwhitby | daMaestro: I run the project. I'll get our webmaster to look at it. |
| 03:50.45 | daMaestro | cool, good work (per running the project) |
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| 03:53.08 | sagacis_neo | trying a different client |
| 03:57.38 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 03:59.57 | SpeedEvil | The 'run it to battery depletion' seems to cut off early. |
| 04:00.09 | SpeedEvil | According to the 'battvolt' output - it stops at 3V |
| 04:11.56 | linux_galore | hmm put a mini webserver on you OM (GTA02) so people can connect and leave/get info without hassling you |
| 04:12.50 | linux_galore | over wifi |
| 04:14.38 | linux_galore | just a thought as so many phones are coming out with wifi now |
| 04:15.36 | rwhitby | daMaestro: fixed (worked out how to do it myself) |
| 04:17.49 | linux_galore | even more fun out irc server on the OM and people all over the office can send messages |
| 04:17.53 | linux_galore | put* |
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| 04:20.06 | daMaestro | rwhitby, thanks.. soooo much better |
| 04:23.00 | linux_galore | the OM changes how your view of a mobile if you think about it, its not a mobile phone anymore its anything you want it to be webserver/irc server/dns server, bit more grunt even a smb server |
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| 04:25.18 | SpeedEvil | BT printer -> fax gateway, ... |
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| 04:26.58 | rwhitby | linux_galore: note that most cell networks are behind a NAT, so being able to connect will probably only be a local thing - and may not work at all even locally. |
| 04:27.30 | SpeedEvil | Which is usually a good thing. Especially where data is expensive. |
| 04:27.38 | rwhitby | ah, you're thinking wifi adhoc or AP on the Neo, not GPRS. |
| 04:27.47 | rwhitby | (to linux_galore that was) |
| 04:30.48 | linux_galore | rwhitby: Im thinking between wifi devices |
| 04:31.10 | rtyler | oi vei |
| 04:31.52 | linux_galore | rwhitby: so people can chat and swap stuff without having to go through network |
| 04:33.11 | linux_galore | rwhitby: imagine going to a lecture and saying to the patrons you can get a copy of this talk and associated file of my OM via wifi |
| 04:34.22 | linux_galore | the LUG I go to already does that to some degree via hacked linksys router sitting near the conference desk |
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| 04:35.51 | linux_galore | I got my N95 to connect months ago and grabbed some files of a presenters machine |
| 04:35.59 | linux_galore | 2 months* |
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| 04:37.56 | linux_galore | Im just thinking it would be cool to make the OM not just open to use but open to swap information very easily between all wifi enabled phones/pc |
| 04:38.33 | linux_galore | this is were normal phones fall down |
| 04:42.18 | summatusmentis | koen was talking about something awhile ago, that he wished could be put in OE, written by a couple of guys at novell that did seemingly what your'e talking about |
| 04:42.32 | summatusmentis | I don't remember what it was called though |
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| 04:45.08 | linux_galore | as great as my N95 is to use a $200 pc with wifi running Linux leaves it for dead for the ability to share information |
| 04:45.24 | sagacis_neo | [A |
| 04:46.03 | sagacis_neo | sorry. funny lit |
| 04:46.11 | linux_galore | hmm |
| 04:46.45 | linux_galore | anyway, of to work |
| 04:50.02 | sagacis_neo | off to bed 4 me |
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| 04:51.26 | rtyler | sagacis_neo: are you IRCing from your neo O_o |
| 05:04.45 | daMaestro | hmm the new boot screen is sexy |
| 05:06.20 | rtyler | daMaestro: this one? http://www.flickr.com/photos/agentdero/1057454094/ |
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| 05:07.10 | daMaestro | rtyler, nope |
| 05:07.21 | rtyler | is there a newer build? O_O |
| 05:07.27 | rtyler | or is it a custom build of yours? |
| 05:08.25 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Pre-built_snapshot_images |
| 05:08.35 | daMaestro | i am building it.. but the first build takes ages |
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| 05:11.33 | xkr47 | gooood morning vie^H^H^H#openmoko :) |
| 05:12.04 | daMaestro | though... the image wont get past the boot loader it seems |
| 05:12.19 | rtyler | mickey's image? |
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| 05:12.47 | daMaestro | http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ the latest there |
| 05:13.20 | rtyler | do we have a buildserver setup yet? :P |
| 05:13.43 | daMaestro | i don't think there are any om2007.2 "official" builds |
| 05:14.10 | daMaestro | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ looks to still be the case |
| 05:14.19 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 05:47.12 | Psi | daMaestro, does that 10 AUG build work? |
| 05:47.35 | Psi | it locks up at the end of the loading screen on mine |
| 05:49.01 | daMaestro | Psi, same here |
| 05:49.32 | daMaestro | Psi, does the aug 9 build work? |
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| 05:52.16 | Psi | dont know, downloading now |
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| 06:00.34 | xzcvczx | Psi: do a nand rootfs erase |
| 06:00.36 | xzcvczx | first |
| 06:00.47 | xkr47 | so what is the purpose of the -moko10 and -moko11 extraversion in the kernel version |
| 06:00.51 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.51 | xzcvczx | i was having exact same issue with another mikey build |
| 06:01.03 | xzcvczx | xkr47: which patchset version is used |
| 06:01.11 | xkr47 | aha ok thx |
| 06:01.16 | xkr47 | *updating wiki* :) |
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| 06:01.43 | Psi | xzcvczx, where do i type that? |
| 06:01.59 | xzcvczx | Psi: you need to turn on thing on usb in u-boot |
| 06:02.07 | daMaestro | Psi, you need to connect into the uboot shell |
| 06:02.24 | xzcvczx | then you need to do cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 into the host machine |
| 06:02.27 | xzcvczx | and then type it in there |
| 06:02.43 | xzcvczx | Psi: read it on Flashing your 1973 |
| 06:02.45 | daMaestro | i've been doing: nand erase clean rootfs |
| 06:02.55 | daMaestro | and also: nand erase clean kernel |
| 06:03.08 | xzcvczx | daMaestro: thats not correct syntax is it |
| 06:03.15 | daMaestro | afaik it is |
| 06:03.16 | Psi | set console to USB ? |
| 06:03.18 | xkr47 | xzcvczx, is the rootfs patchset-specific in any other way than the modules in /lib/modules/ ? |
| 06:03.44 | xzcvczx | xkr47: not really |
| 06:03.48 | xzcvczx | Psi: correct |
| 06:03.48 | xkr47 | thx |
| 06:04.00 | xzcvczx | Psi: you will need the correct modules in your host's kernel |
| 06:04.08 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#NAND |
| 06:04.12 | xzcvczx | daMaestro: are you talking about 2007.2 rootfs |
| 06:04.32 | daMaestro | is it not the same? |
| 06:04.45 | xzcvczx | daMaestro: well are you? |
| 06:04.45 | daMaestro | i mean it is still the same uboot that was shipped with the device |
| 06:04.49 | rtyler | man, 2007.2 looks great, too bad openmoko-today crashes shortly after loading >_> |
| 06:04.50 | daMaestro | yes |
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| 06:05.01 | xzcvczx | daMaestro: yeah i was having same problems |
| 06:05.13 | xzcvczx | daMaestro: just try it using nand erase rootfs |
| 06:05.21 | daMaestro | i just did it |
| 06:05.23 | daMaestro | it works. |
| 06:05.31 | xzcvczx | Psi: sorry its nand erase rootfs |
| 06:05.34 | daMaestro | nand erase clean rootfs |
| 06:05.36 | xzcvczx | not what i said before |
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| 06:06.02 | xzcvczx | daMaestro: meh i am sure that clean is probably the same i dunno what it does differently |
| 06:06.21 | daMaestro | nand erase [clean] [off size] - erase `size' bytes from |
| 06:06.22 | daMaestro | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:06.24 | daMaestro | not sure either |
| 06:06.35 | xzcvczx | yeah i saw that but it doesnt explain what the difference is |
| 06:08.29 | Psi | daMaestro, did you erase your nand before when you got the same error as me? |
| 06:08.41 | Psi | ie. the crash |
| 06:08.44 | daMaestro | Psi, yes... using the latest image |
| 06:09.55 | xzcvczx | Psi: i think thats a no |
| 06:10.45 | xzcvczx | Psi: well its working now since he erased his flash so i am pretty sure it should work |
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| 06:11.06 | Psi | ah |
| 06:11.07 | Psi | ok |
| 06:11.24 | xzcvczx | Psi: as everyone i have seen who has erased before flash has worked.... well then you get idiots like SpeedEvil i think it was who flashed 40mb rootfs into the kernel space |
| 06:11.33 | daMaestro | Psi, it is not working for me. to be clear. |
| 06:11.52 | xzcvczx | daMaestro: oh i thought you said it did work |
| 06:11.56 | Psi | xzcvczx, haha, what did that do |
| 06:12.25 | xzcvczx | Psi: well after he flashed a kernel back into kernel space and the rootfs into its respective space it worked |
| 06:12.36 | Psi | daMaestro, ok, no point in me doing an erase and trying it again then |
| 06:13.32 | Psi | xzcvczx, thats good to know, i was wondering what would happen if ya did that |
| 06:14.12 | Psi | could be worse tho, if ya flashed the rootfs/kernel into the boot space :P |
| 06:14.52 | daMaestro | yeah, without a jtag board... you would brick your device if you b0rked uboot |
| 06:15.09 | xzcvczx | Psi: we would be screwed hence why i am definately going to get advanced for 02 |
| 06:15.45 | daMaestro | Psi, how soon will you have your device flashed? |
| 06:15.53 | Psi | its about 60% |
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| 06:16.08 | daMaestro | ok, then i'll wait to see if it boots for you |
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| 06:18.39 | daMaestro | hmm my power switch is starting to stick |
| 06:18.42 | daMaestro | kinda annoying |
| 06:18.46 | xkr47 | :O |
| 06:19.45 | rtyler | fucking hell, with the latest image of mickey's, the device froze and won' |
| 06:19.47 | rtyler | t turn off |
| 06:20.04 | daMaestro | ok, i have that issue also |
| 06:20.31 | rtyler | daMaestro: lemme know if you figure it out |
| 06:20.46 | doc|home | when I was young, a friend of my family's used to use the word mickey for penis :( |
| 06:21.00 | doc|home | it lends that sentence a whole new meaning |
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| 06:24.12 | rtyler | fucking hell, is the only way to power the device down like this to pull the battery?: |
| 06:24.12 | Psi_ | daMaestro, 09 works |
| 06:24.40 | rtyler | Psi_: link? |
| 06:24.59 | daMaestro | Psi, awesome.. flashing now |
| 06:25.05 | daMaestro | rtyler, http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-.dev-snapshot-20070809-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 06:25.16 | daMaestro | http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/uImage-2.6.21.5-r2-fic-gta01.bin is the kernel |
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| 06:26.02 | Psi_ | hehe the dialer crashed when i clicked dial |
| 06:26.11 | rtyler | NO CALLS FOR YOU! ;) |
| 06:26.33 | daMaestro | Psi, try restarting gsmd? |
| 06:27.27 | Psi_ | the font is to big in terminal :( |
| 06:28.08 | Psi_ | actually its wrapping around, so not too bad, atleast i can see what im typing |
| 06:29.21 | Psi_ | nope |
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| 06:29.42 | Psi_ | daMaestro, i bet you will find the same thing, dialer will just close when you hit dial |
| 06:30.08 | daMaestro | Psi_, i'll let you know when it is done flashing |
| 06:30.29 | daMaestro | Psi_, you could test the 20070807 image ;-) |
| 06:30.53 | Psi_ | is there any solitaire amongst all these games ive never heard of? |
| 06:30.59 | daMaestro | what we *REALLY* need to do is have FIC setup an autobuild system similar to nslu2-linux.org and just tie it into a simple reporting system |
| 06:31.34 | daMaestro | that just keeps spitting out images once a day and then allows people to download them and rate/report if they work or not |
| 06:31.54 | rtyler | UGH |
| 06:31.58 | Psi_ | im sure they will do something like that when they get all sorted in their building |
| 06:32.10 | rtyler | finding the right combination of reboot-replug to get dfu-util to find my fucking Neo is irritating |
| 06:32.24 | Psi_ | last i heard they were still moving in |
| 06:32.51 | xkr47 | what's the lowermost button in the 5-button mode switch panel to the right of the standard on-screen keyboard ? |
| 06:33.06 | Psi_ | i always wondered that myself |
| 06:33.15 | rtyler | xkr47: that's the "Any" key :) |
| 06:33.19 | Psi_ | it increases in color if you click it |
| 06:33.31 | xkr47 | I noticed, but why ?-D |
| 06:33.51 | Psi_ | maybe its supposed to control backlight |
| 06:34.09 | xkr47 | dunno |
| 06:34.29 | xkr47 | also clicking the power button has some strange effect, it seems to kill apps or then just turn the application part black for me (at least sometimes) |
| 06:34.58 | daMaestro | hmm... /me is close to just setting up this damn rating system/hosting for OM images |
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| 06:35.14 | daMaestro | i'd really rather have it under the OM name.. and have signed images/sha1sum files, etf |
| 06:35.16 | daMaestro | etc* |
| 06:35.46 | daMaestro | wowow.... why no screen calibration? |
| 06:35.48 | Psi_ | hehe my back to the future clip still plays fine in 09 under mplayer :) |
| 06:35.57 | rtyler | daMaestro: I can set that up, that's easy :) |
| 06:36.15 | daMaestro | rtyler, do you work for OM? |
| 06:36.33 | rtyler | no, I work for a web company :P |
| 06:36.57 | daMaestro | the point is a lot of people could do it.. and it needs to be done; allow community ratings of autobuilds; and i would much rather have FIC/OM do the builds |
| 06:37.16 | daMaestro | ok, Psi_ i'll confirm the image works |
| 06:37.27 | rtyler | of course, but they're swamped it seems with "making the software work" :P |
| 06:37.30 | Psi_ | nice, there are tabs now in the terminal |
| 06:37.35 | rtyler | hard to get build infrastructure in place wit hthat :P |
| 06:37.39 | daMaestro | Psi_, but gsm association isn't working.. so that must be why the dialer is failing |
| 06:37.52 | daMaestro | Psi_, there were tabs last release |
| 06:38.06 | Psi_ | must have missed it |
| 06:38.26 | daMaestro | YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs |
| 06:38.32 | daMaestro | the new menu is awesome. |
| 06:38.43 | daMaestro | fingerbased and SMOOTH scrolling |
| 06:38.43 | Psi_ | had you not seen 2007.2 before? |
| 06:38.44 | daMaestro | good work |
| 06:38.53 | daMaestro | no, i've been building just om2007 |
| 06:38.58 | Psi_ | ah |
| 06:39.17 | daMaestro | people might not laugh at me when i show them the interface |
| 06:39.17 | daMaestro | lol |
| 06:39.24 | Psi_ | heh |
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| 06:39.37 | rtyler | nah, they still will, but that probably has more to do with your clown makeup :) |
| 06:39.46 | daMaestro | ;-) |
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| 06:42.11 | daMaestro | cube is fun |
| 06:42.12 | daMaestro | lol |
| 06:43.35 | daMaestro | lol, yeah.. dialer/gsmd crashed matchbox for me |
| 06:43.44 | daMaestro | overall newbuild++++ |
| 06:45.28 | Psi_ | net is quite good too |
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| 06:48.38 | linux_galore | the kinetic menu thing still needs work, it seems to lag a bit |
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| 06:49.18 | linux_galore | better cpu/graphics on GTA02 may fix it |
| 06:49.42 | xkr47 | not for me! I have GTA01 :) |
| 06:50.01 | xkr47 | daMaestro, what's the cube ?-) |
| 06:51.03 | daMaestro | just a game |
| 06:51.11 | xkr47 | in 2007.2 ? |
| 06:51.14 | daMaestro | yes |
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| 06:51.44 | xkr47 | I've only gotten as far as try the 2007(.1).. just got my device yesterday :) |
| 06:51.47 | Psi_ | i dont find it lags, but i do find that it doenst pickup my click to launch the app sometimes |
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| 06:52.33 | Psi_ | but i do still have the plastic on the screen, although i doubt its that |
| 06:52.33 | daMaestro | xkr47, http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-.dev-snapshot-20070809-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/uImage-2.6.21.5-r2-fic-gta01.bin |
| 06:53.18 | xkr47 | daMaestro, :) |
| 06:53.27 | xkr47 | will have to get through my work day first |
| 06:53.36 | xkr47 | I deliberately left the usb cable home :) |
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| 07:00.52 | daMaestro | Psi_, gsmd didn't autostart for me with this build |
| 07:03.03 | daMaestro | though manually starting it didn't get dialer to work |
| 07:03.31 | xzcvczx | hmmm i am still having major issues with my case pushing on the touch screen |
| 07:05.20 | Psi_ | daMaestro, yeah, i started it too and it didnt help |
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| 07:05.49 | daMaestro | Psi_, using the libgsm shell works fine |
| 07:05.52 | Psi_ | xzcvczx, what effect does that cause? |
| 07:07.15 | daMaestro | Psi_, did you try using 'libgsmd-tool -m shell' ? |
| 07:07.22 | Psi_ | na |
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| 07:08.56 | Psi_ | yep, that works |
| 07:09.28 | daMaestro | cool |
| 07:09.34 | Psi_ | no audio though |
| 07:10.59 | ScaredyCat | alsactl -f /etc/alsa/<one of those> restore |
| 07:11.24 | Psi_ | yeah, just trying that now |
| 07:11.51 | ScaredyCat | iirc gsmhandset tries to deafen you |
| 07:12.27 | Psi_ | hehe, there is no alsa dir under /etc/ |
| 07:13.01 | rtyler | how the hell do you pop up the screen keyboard in 2007.2? :/ |
| 07:13.10 | Psi_ | you launch that input manager |
| 07:13.34 | Psi_ | its in the app list |
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| 07:13.55 | Psi_ | that=the |
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| 07:15.05 | ScaredyCat | yeah, you have to find it and launch it |
| 07:15.37 | ScaredyCat | are you using om2007.1 or .2 Psi_? |
| 07:15.41 | rtyler | it is *way* to easy to crash openmoko-today |
| 07:15.44 | Psi_ | .2 |
| 07:16.26 | ScaredyCat | tbh rtyler && Psi_ .2 is ok for a bit of fun... but it's not good for much else |
| 07:16.51 | ScaredyCat | (yet) |
| 07:16.53 | Psi_ | ScaredyCat, yeah, ive had phonecalls with sound under .1 |
| 07:17.12 | rtyler | ScaredyCat: welll, I crash today frequently with om2007 and 2007.2 |
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| 07:23.22 | ScaredyCat | mailing list still farked? |
| 07:24.57 | bluelightning | I guess it must be... actually I wondered why my inbox was so empty this morning, I guess now I know why... |
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| 07:26.48 | xkr47 | "forget viagra! buy openmoko!" |
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| 07:32.13 | rwhitby | So are the nslu2-linux builds helpful for anyone? |
| 07:32.46 | ScaredyCat | naaa bloody useless.. :P |
| 07:33.17 | rwhitby | good, I'll keep building them until they become useful and then I'll yank it out from under you. |
| 07:33.51 | ScaredyCat | sounds about right :) |
| 07:34.14 | ScaredyCat | You must have done customer services training in .nl |
| 07:34.21 | Dmitry_Platonov | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9264384554.html Nokia director speaks on Linux (and Openmoko) |
| 07:34.36 | ScaredyCat | does he cry a lot ? |
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| 07:36.07 | orzo | is mpg321 packaged for ipkg? |
| 07:36.10 | mjr | well, OpenMoko has corporate involvement, so I'm not sure how much that mention really has to do with the preceeding quote... |
| 07:36.30 | orzo | i want to put an mp3 player on my phone |
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| 07:36.42 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.46 | Dmitry_Platonov | mjr, what corporate? |
| 07:36.47 | ScaredyCat | it's not stealing... |
| 07:37.07 | ScaredyCat | it's OSS |
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| 07:37.42 | mjr | ScaredyCat, yeah, seems rather nasty of him to use that word |
| 07:38.08 | mjr | also, my image of Nokia is less than stellar, what with their swpat lobbying in Europe and stuff... |
| 07:38.30 | mjr | I know there's maemo people that don't care as long as they get cool toys, but... |
| 07:38.34 | Dmitry_Platonov | We'll see how his "commutily" will react |
| 07:38.38 | mjr | Dmitry_Platonov, OpenMoko irc.? |
| 07:38.41 | mjr | inc. |
| 07:39.17 | ScaredyCat | we could start by getting my 770 to pair ith my neo :) |
| 07:39.28 | cheriff | Hi, I'm trying to connect to the usb serial provided by the actual handset (ie not /dev/ACM0 on the debug board) and keep getting errors like "device descriptor read/64, error -110" and not /dev/ttyUSB entry. has anyone seen this before? |
| 07:40.15 | Dmitry_Platonov | mjr, Openmoko inc. is rather small comany |
| 07:40.57 | mjr | It's still corporate involvement. Core involvement, even. |
| 07:41.12 | orzo | does the stylus need batteries in order for it to function with the touch screen? |
| 07:41.16 | mjr | I mean, it's not like the OpenMoko is primarily a community effort at least at this point |
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| 07:41.31 | Dmitry_Platonov | orzo, no |
| 07:41.35 | mjr | and there's nothing bad about corporate involvement, of course, just noting that it is there |
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| 07:43.31 | rwhitby | the graph on page 12 of his talk has a lesson for OpenMoko - expect at least three months of stabilising once your developers think the image is ready. |
| 07:43.55 | rwhitby | So for a mass market release in November, the image has to be finished today. |
| 07:44.03 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 07:44.05 | rwhitby | (i.e. feature complete) |
| 07:44.13 | ScaredyCat | right where is it |
| 07:44.18 | ScaredyCat | eh ? |
| 07:44.20 | ScaredyCat | cmon |
| 07:45.44 | ScaredyCat | ^^^^^ wtf |
| 07:46.03 | Dmitry_Platonov | rwhitby, which graph? |
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| 07:47.41 | rwhitby | page 12 of http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/LW2007_Jaaksi.pdf |
| 07:48.35 | xkr47 | but otoh it depends who you ask whether it's ready :) |
| 07:48.49 | rwhitby | the consumer will tell you that quite vocally |
| 07:49.34 | rwhitby | The N800 got it just about right as far as I can see (I have one) |
| 07:49.53 | ScaredyCat | except the price |
| 07:50.03 | xkr47 | got it right how? stability ? |
| 07:50.10 | ljp | and the proprietary bits |
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| 07:50.46 | ScaredyCat | stroke recog on 770 is good |
| 07:51.09 | mjr | no, it's evil ;) |
| 07:51.11 | orzo | madplay is the installed mp3 player |
| 07:52.41 | Cap_J_L_Picard | ljp: Not easily. |
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| 07:53.17 | mjr | well, if you agree with the rhetoric that copyright infringement is stealing (which I very much don't, but for the purposes of this, let's), then it's quite easy; redistribute (L)GPL stuff without source |
| 07:53.23 | ScaredyCat | root@fic-gta01:~$ madplay /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/ringtone_goodnight.mp3 |
| 07:53.23 | Dmitry_Platonov | ljp, those who does not share their source, distributil GPL software |
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| 07:53.33 | ScaredyCat | errk |
| 07:53.43 | Dmitry_Platonov | ljp, those who does not share their source, distributing GPL software, are stealing opensource 8) |
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| 07:54.42 | ljp | no, thats just violating a license, not stealing |
| 07:54.55 | Cap_J_L_Picard | Therefore copyright infrigment is not *stealing* |
| 07:55.07 | mjr | *nod* |
| 07:55.20 | rtyler | hey, stop flame waring and get back to fixing OpenMoko :D |
| 07:55.38 | mjr | so then you get to the point where you'd have to break into somebody's computer, copy their free software to yourself and delete the originals to steal it :] |
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| 07:56.45 | rwhitby | xkr47: got it right in the correct combination of user friendly, stability, but openness for hacking. |
| 07:58.18 | rwhitby | I took his "steal the software" statement to indicate the case where another company takes the open source software, and releases it (against the license) as closed source in a product. |
| 07:58.59 | fatal- | hmm. I wonder how this goes, how I could I create a rootfs binaries that would work with OMAP cpu's |
| 07:59.02 | rwhitby | and I doubt he was using "stealing" as a legal term. |
| 07:59.18 | mjr | he was using it as newspeak, as are RIAA and company |
| 07:59.34 | mjr | even more horrid newspeak than any recording industry guy |
| 07:59.46 | rwhitby | mjr: except he was using it for the reverse meaning that what RIAA uses it. |
| 07:59.54 | rwhitby | s/that/than/ |
| 07:59.59 | mjr | not reverse, methinks |
| 08:00.19 | mjr | RIAA is trying to equate sharing without monopoly owner's permission with theft |
| 08:00.27 | rwhitby | RIAA calls taking coprighted/licensed stuff and distributing it as "stealing". |
| 08:00.33 | ScaredyCat | ~reverse rwhitby meant: mjr: except he was using it for the reverse meaning than what RIAA uses it |
| 08:00.37 | mjr | now apparently Nokia is gunning for _sharing with permission_ as theft |
| 08:00.49 | rwhitby | NO |
| 08:00.58 | ScaredyCat | yeah , I read it as that |
| 08:01.25 | rwhitby | The Nokia guy was saying "if you take freely redistributable stuff and put it in a closed product so that it's no longer freely redistributable, then you're "stealing" |
| 08:01.35 | rwhitby | (at least that's how I read it) |
| 08:01.59 | rwhitby | i.e. "stealing" from the open source community by not giving back your changes according to the license agreement on the software |
| 08:02.14 | mjr | that's not what the article text says, though I'll grant that journalists make mistakes |
| 08:02.39 | rwhitby | sorry, but that's exactly what the article text says. |
| 08:02.56 | mjr | sorry, no it isn't |
| 08:03.19 | rwhitby | Competitors (i.e. all Nokia's competitors at the moment are closed source product development) taking advantage of the work done under an open source license. |
| 08:03.39 | rwhitby | How else could it be read? |
| 08:03.41 | mjr | taking advantage does not mean "unlawfully" |
| 08:04.28 | ljp | nokia themselves take advantage of open source work |
| 08:04.33 | mjr | ljp, yep |
| 08:04.36 | rwhitby | If he competitors are not releasing the source of the products that are derived from open source software, then that is unlawful (assuming you agree that the software license is a legal agreement) |
| 08:04.37 | mjr | very much so |
| 08:05.01 | rwhitby | and yes nokia are not blameless either - they have closed source themselves |
| 08:05.04 | mjr | rwhitby, of course. But in that sentence, there is _no_ implication that the competitors _are_ doing it against the licenses |
| 08:05.29 | rwhitby | mjr: that's in the context that the reader puts the statement in. |
| 08:05.51 | rwhitby | i.e. you've put it one context, I've put it in another - we'll never know which was the right context. |
| 08:06.00 | mjr | yes we will, read the quote |
| 08:06.27 | rwhitby | I've read the quote, and I simply don't agree with you. I'm not saying you're wrong - you can take the quote many different ways. |
| 08:06.50 | mjr | why would the Nokia guy talk about how they're in a position to better know who to work with and that the community people know them already, if he didn't assume that the competitor was going to try to work with the community too? |
| 08:06.57 | mjr | he's just saying that they're in a better position to do so |
| 08:07.07 | mjr | and I _am_ saying that _you_ are flat wrong |
| 08:07.22 | mjr | reading it as it is |
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| 08:07.25 | rwhitby | that's your opinion, and you've every right to have that opinion. |
| 08:07.40 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby: he does *not* say that... |
| 08:07.46 | rwhitby | I don't agree with you, but I'm also not saying that your opinion could not be correct. |
| 08:08.22 | rwhitby | However, you're taking a much more inflammatory stance (perhaps intentionally) by saying that my opinion of what he said simply cannot be correct. |
| 08:08.22 | mjr | you seem to be giving the guy a benefit of the doubt that the text simply does not support; now, that might be warranted, since again, journalists make mistakes, but your claiming that the text supports your interpretation is clearly ludicurous |
| 08:09.21 | mjr | and you're not even trying to counter my arguments, and are not offering any of your own to support your interpretation of the text as it is |
| 08:09.29 | Dmitry_Platonov | How rumor begins: openmoko & google phone |
| 08:09.31 | rwhitby | mjr: I'm not going to start a flame war with you - but I'm not comfortable with the way you're painting this as black and white, and not giving *me* the consideration that perhaps I can see something in it that you are not seeing. |
| 08:09.38 | Dmitry_Platonov | 1) http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10455627 |
| 08:09.47 | Dmitry_Platonov | 2) http://www.phoronix.com/?page=news_item&px=NTk1Mw |
| 08:09.56 | Dmitry_Platonov | 3) http://www.nowtoronto.com/blog/view_post.cfm?post=327 |
| 08:10.14 | mjr | rwhitby, we've talked of it for a while yet you have not given me _any_ reason, any argument, that the text is saying what you claim it is |
| 08:10.16 | fatal- | ... |
| 08:10.18 | Placid | mornin' |
| 08:10.28 | fatal- | how could I build an EABI version of the openmoko? |
| 08:10.49 | mjr | so yes, at this point I am assuming that you're pretty much talking out of your ass |
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| 08:11.03 | rwhitby | mjr: actually, I did. You just didn't accept the argument I gave, and I'm not prepared to escalate it, cause I have nothing to gain by trying to put you down by trying to prove you wrong. |
| 08:11.22 | ScaredyCat | yeah, bitch! |
| 08:11.47 | rwhitby | You seem to have some emotional attachment to the subject at hand, so you'll probably not accept any argument I give. |
| 08:12.10 | mjr | What argument? Oh yeah, that "taking advantage" thing. Ok, so you did give a _readily dismissable_ argument, since again, that doesn't imply what you think it does, and the quote context, as I explained, also doesn't support your implication |
| 08:12.36 | mjr | emotional attachment to a _piece of text_? |
| 08:12.48 | mjr | we're arguing about a _piece of text_ |
| 08:13.00 | rwhitby | mjr: by the way you're escalating the argument it seems so. |
| 08:13.01 | mjr | we're not even arguing about what the Nokia guy really said |
| 08:13.13 | mjr | we're arguing about what the _text says_ |
| 08:13.13 | ScaredyCat | hearsay ? |
| 08:13.41 | mjr | I'll grant though that I have some emotional response to idiots trying to make things into what they are plainly not |
| 08:13.51 | mjr | so that may be what you're reading |
| 08:14.01 | rwhitby | and there you go again, escalating the argument by calling me names now. |
| 08:14.11 | rwhitby | Sorry, but I'm not biting. |
| 08:14.14 | ScaredyCat | ooooh get her |
| 08:15.00 | Placid | ScaredyCat: lmao |
| 08:15.37 | Placid | Could someone provide the quote so I can understand what you're talking about please? |
| 08:15.41 | mjr | there is no argument, there hasn't been an argument since I shot down your one incorrect argument by noting how it is, in fact, 1) terminologically incorrect and 2) actively unsupported by the quote context. After that it has just been your stubbornness to accept that you're wrong. |
| 08:15.57 | mjr | Jaaksi said he is often asked about competitors taking advantage of Nokia work done under an open source license. He says he typically replies, "Yes, they can steal the software, but we've been building the community, and that's a valuable asset as we go forward. Do [competitors] know who to work with to get what they need done? When we show up and say we are Nokia, it has a positive connotation, and helps us get things done there." |
| 08:16.05 | mjr | did that come through completely? |
| 08:16.08 | Elrond | rwhitby - """ls -t tmp/deploy/images//*.jffs2""" <-- one slash is enough in MokoMakefile there. I think. ;o) |
| 08:16.31 | Placid | Elrond: superfluous, surely? |
| 08:17.13 | Elrond | Placid - I think so. Only 99.3% sure. |
| 08:17.30 | Placid | mjr: Crystal clear to me |
| 08:17.43 | Placid | Elrond: i'd imagine it has no affect. |
| 08:17.58 | Placid | Elrond: your suggestion is cleaner, of course |
| 08:18.13 | Elrond | Placid - That's the idea, only. I like clean stuff. |
| 08:18.15 | mjr | Indeed. But one supposes that not everyone knows their English. |
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| 08:18.36 | Elrond | Anyway. need to run. Later gueys. |
| 08:18.50 | ScaredyCat | gueys! |
| 08:19.34 | rwhitby | mjr: ok, I'll try one last time. My interpretation of that text is that Nokia has competitors who take the open source software that Nokia (and many other people) contribute to, and release it in products without complying with the open source license. |
| 08:19.57 | Placid | Elrond: and rightly so. no criticism, just an observation :) |
| 08:19.59 | mjr | (incidentally talk about Jaaksi on the #debian-fi channel, where people have talked with him, supports the theory that he's clueless) |
| 08:20.13 | rwhitby | I'm not saying that's the *only* interpretation. I can see how your interpretation is perfectly valid too. |
| 08:21.11 | rwhitby | But I don't think it's proper for you to be calling me an idiot just because you don't agree with my possible interpretation, and doing so is certainly not conducive to a cooperative community. |
| 08:21.23 | cheriff | sounds to me like "nokia releases stuff, and others use it - and good for them. But what we gain in community goodwill more than makes up for whatever may be lost by 'helping' competitors in this way' |
| 08:21.54 | mjr | rwhitby, and that would be a valid interpretation if it weren't for the following context. And incidentally, you did originally say "How else could it be read?", which is kinda making it out to be the only valid interpretation, though you did loosen up after that, yes. |
| 08:21.59 | rwhitby | If that's your nature, I'll live with it. But calling people an idiot just because I don't agree with their interpretation of something is not the way that I communicate with fellow developers. |
| 08:22.13 | mjr | (And if that was a valid question, you don't know English.) |
| 08:22.33 | rwhitby | No, I asked "how else could it be read" so I could understand the other interpretations, at which point I then understood how you interpreted it. |
| 08:23.04 | rwhitby | i.e. I tried to understand how you are seeing the world, before asserting an opinion on your interpretation. |
| 08:24.06 | mjr | and yeah, I don't call people idiots just because they don't agree with my interpretation of something _that actually has valid interpretations_ isn't how I communicate either |
| 08:24.28 | mjr | but if somebody comes up and says that yeah, the sun and the moon revolve around the earth, I call them idiots |
| 08:24.32 | mjr | sorry about that |
| 08:24.52 | mjr | valid other interpretations, that is |
| 08:24.55 | rwhitby | ok, so you're continuing to dismiss my interpretation as not untenable. |
| 08:24.56 | mjr | but let's can it |
| 08:25.10 | rwhitby | s/not untenable/not tenable/ |
| 08:25.23 | mjr | yes I am, and I told you why, and you haven't refuted the context explanation, but simply said "I don't agree" |
| 08:25.50 | rwhitby | right - I don't believe the following context is strong enough to completely dismiss my interpretation. |
| 08:26.32 | rwhitby | I'm not trying to refute your interpretation. Nor do I feel the need for there to be only one interpretation. |
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| 08:28.49 | mjr | that's a good reason to endorse an interpretation, because it's not completely dismissed |
| 08:28.56 | mjr | ah well *shrug* |
| 08:29.03 | rwhitby | If having that interpretation means that I'm an idiot in your eyes, then so be it. |
| 08:29.33 | rwhitby | yep, *shrug* here too :-) |
| 08:30.26 | florian | good morning |
| 08:30.37 | rwhitby | hi florian |
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| 08:30.49 | mjr | and "idiot" perhaps was indeed too heated a word; sorry about that, let's say "misguided" |
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| 08:31.39 | ScaredyCat | no.no. |
| 08:31.56 | mjr | what, you were still being entertained by the flamefest? |
| 08:31.59 | mjr | :] |
| 08:32.00 | ScaredyCat | mjr said you wer a big girl |
| 08:32.08 | khaije1 | whats the rukus? |
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| 08:32.28 | rwhitby | mjr: yep, I expect we have very different viewpoints on the world, and would call many things that each of us do "misguided" :-) |
| 08:33.21 | rwhitby | s/would call many things that each of us/would each call many things that the other does/ |
| 08:33.27 | mjr | khaije1, whether the only tenable interpretation of the paragraph beginning "Jaaksi said he is often..." at http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9264384554.html is that he equates use Nokia's open source code by competitors as theft |
| 08:33.32 | mjr | (licensed use) |
| 08:34.04 | rwhitby | or whether another tenable interpretation is whether he is referring to unlicensed use only as theft. |
| 08:34.24 | mjr | arguments are in lastlog and I hear also there's an online log, let's not get in it again |
| 08:34.49 | rwhitby | (and I think we both agree that "theft" isn't the right word to use in either case) |
| 08:35.18 | mjr | oh yes, theft is never the right word to use in cases of infringement of govt. granted monopoly |
| 08:35.40 | khaije1 | so the disagreement hinges on if he is refering to liscenced or unliscenced use? |
| 08:35.44 | ScaredyCat | see,look what you've done, they're just agreeing |
| 08:35.48 | mjr | and obviously not when there is no infrigement, either |
| 08:35.50 | rwhitby | mjr: have you seen the google tech talk on the history of copyright |
| 08:35.51 | rwhitby | ? |
| 08:36.08 | mjr | khaije1, pretty much |
| 08:36.21 | rwhitby | khaije1: yep |
| 08:36.23 | khaije1 | hmm i see |
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| 08:36.31 | mjr | no, but I'm somewhat familiar with the history myself |
| 08:37.16 | khaije1 | its a worthwhile and important distinction to make, too bad its not more clear from the text, though that is neither of *your* faults ^_^ |
| 08:37.53 | mjr | you saying it isn't rwhitby's fault?!?!?! |
| 08:38.05 | mjr | *cough* |
| 08:38.06 | mjr | yes, well |
| 08:38.19 | rwhitby | mjr: I think the talk I'm referring to is the one at http://www.questioncopyright.org/stanford_library_talk_2006, although I got it from google video I think. |
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| 08:38.59 | khaije1 | and every disagreement isnt a flamewar, though it does make for good marketing |
| 08:39.24 | alech | As my Neo just arrived, I'd love to get a hand on gllin (for strictly navigational purposes), please mail if you can help: openmoko@alech.de |
| 08:39.35 | ScaredyCat | flamewars should be to the death, just to see who's commited. |
| 08:39.37 | rwhitby | khaije1: yeah, it's only a flamewar when it escalates into name calling :-) |
| 08:39.43 | xkr47 | alech, check the GPS page on wiki |
| 08:40.37 | khaije1 | meh |
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| 08:40.57 | rwhitby | (and what we just hadn't wasn't even close to a flame war) |
| 08:41.03 | rwhitby | s/hadn't/had/ |
| 08:41.15 | rwhitby | geez my typing is bad tonight. |
| 08:41.16 | khaije1 | rwhitby: though it's not too late! |
| 08:41.43 | rwhitby | khaije1: it's 6pm on a friday night here - I'm going to have a beer rather than a flamewar :-) |
| 08:42.04 | mjr | good thing you didn't do it the other way around |
| 08:42.12 | alech | xkr47: ? |
| 08:42.17 | mjr | 'cause you'd have like bones and dirt flying around |
| 08:42.19 | alech | xkr47: -v, please :) |
| 08:42.19 | ScaredyCat | no rwhitby.. it's 09:41 am |
| 08:42.45 | khaije1 | mjr: it's a risky maneuver in any case |
| 08:42.48 | xkr47 | alech, open wiki. go to page GPS |
| 08:43.18 | rwhitby | mmmm chicken ... |
| 08:43.45 | mickey|ccc07 | morning |
| 08:44.01 | ScaredyCat | shh... everybody pretent to be working |
| 08:44.03 | alech | xkr47: yes, I've been there. What am I supposed to see that I don't know yet in your opionion? Am I mistaken that I need gllin? |
| 08:44.12 | mdt | mickey|ccc07, what's going on at the ccc07? |
| 08:44.32 | mickey|ccc07 | openmoko coding marathon |
| 08:44.37 | ScaredyCat | :O |
| 08:44.48 | mjr | you do need gllin, so far, since RE is merely underway |
| 08:44.57 | mickey|ccc07 | hehe |
| 08:45.16 | mjr | and you can't apparently get it legally yet, unless some less scrupulous individual is willing to share with you here |
| 08:45.20 | mickey|ccc07 | stefan_schmidt: breakfirst first, though. after that, we can follow with your plans |
| 08:45.45 | xkr47 | alech, I certainly don't know what you know already :) I think that's the information available right now and thought you hadn't seen it.. it uses gllin in its scripts, that's all I can see.. sorry I don't know more :) |
| 08:45.46 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|ccc07: I had mine already. Just take a drink pack next to you. ;) |
| 08:45.49 | Elrond | Hi stefan_schmidt! :) |
| 08:45.51 | Dmitry_Platonov | is there anywhere licence agreement for gllin? |
| 08:45.53 | stefan_schmidt | hi El_Salvador |
| 08:45.55 | alech | xkr47: never mind ;-) |
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| 08:47.32 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - BTW: My Bv03 survived two days in off without draining the battery. So there must be some software mitigating factors to this modem wakeup story. |
| 08:48.28 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: hmm, did you pull off the battery before and inserted it again? |
| 08:48.42 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: That should work as the hw is really off then |
| 08:48.54 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - No. I don't pull the battery often. |
| 08:49.27 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: hmm |
| 08:49.40 | aloril | (or even become downstream users) |
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| 08:49.55 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: v3 is not worth much debugging I think |
| 08:50.05 | mickey|ccc07 | don't quarrel over ari's statement, he meant forking |
| 08:50.12 | mjr | aloril, that's pretty much my point of view, that he meant licensed forking or downstream using |
| 08:50.40 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Probably not. But having that software fixup would probably not hurt on the Bv4.1 |
| 08:51.38 | mickey|ccc07 | mjr: ;) |
| 08:51.44 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: I doubt it's software |
| 08:51.56 | mjr | aloril, yeah, but those contexts are clearly joking, whereas Ari is mostly making an donkey of himself |
| 08:52.01 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: But if you find something, we accept patches. ;) |
| 08:52.05 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - I'm on holiday for a 6 days next week. I'll do a "halt" and put the neo on my desk and see the battery voltage when I'm back. |
| 08:52.08 | aloril | hehe, so I read it right (I haven't really read you arguments, just saw start of it ;-) |
| 08:52.37 | aloril | mjr: true |
| 08:53.00 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - hoho. ;o) |
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| 08:53.22 | mjr | hmm, apparently it doesn't work with actions. Texas, duck, barstand |
| 08:53.23 | mjr | :] |
| 08:54.07 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: ;) |
| 08:54.54 | ScaredyCat | your tent is camp ? |
| 08:55.16 | mickey|ccc07 | hmm |
| 08:55.23 | mickey|ccc07 | not my kind of music |
| 08:55.36 | mickey|ccc07 | i adore their scores, but not their instruments |
| 08:55.47 | mickey|ccc07 | not enough electricity :D |
| 08:55.50 | stefan_schmidt | mickey|ccc07: Some more minutes and I tune over to punk-rock :) |
| 08:55.53 | mickey|ccc07 | noooo |
| 08:56.14 | stefan_schmidt | elektro is overrated |
| 08:56.18 | ScaredyCat | i thought rammstein was a requirement for coding |
| 08:57.00 | Elrond | *G* |
| 08:57.09 | Elrond | Anyway, I'm off for work. |
| 08:57.23 | mickey|ccc07 | laf0rge arrives with breakfast |
| 08:57.41 | ljp | no, groove salad is |
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| 08:58.38 | mickey|ccc07 | yeah |
| 08:58.40 | mickey|ccc07 | soma.fm rock |
| 08:58.45 | mickey|ccc07 | s |
| 08:58.53 | ScaredyCat | don't eat the fish |
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| 09:08.38 | rtyler | FWIW, I uploaded some more 2007.2 photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/agentdero/tags/openmoko200702/ |
| 09:09.05 | aloril | this was already said (typed before reading argument where it was said): "we are Nokia, you won't get fired if you get support from us instead of random forker" which fits forking |
| 09:09.11 | aloril | if he meant actual stealing it would have been more along lines "we can sue them" |
| 09:09.50 | aloril | that page 12 is interesting indeed |
| 09:10.38 | rxr | rtyler: what software state is that? jffs2 images somewhere ? |
| 09:10.53 | rtyler | rxr: yeah, some of the latest development snapshots |
| 09:10.59 | rxr | heh? |
| 09:11.09 | rxr | I flashed the latest yesterday and it looks totally different |
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| 09:11.18 | rtyler | rxr: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/ |
| 09:11.23 | ScaredyCat | you flashed om2007.1 not .2 |
| 09:11.24 | rtyler | OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-.dev-snapshot-20070809-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 09:11.46 | rxr | I flsedh images from the location in the "howto flash wiki" |
| 09:11.48 | rtyler | it's just as unstable as before! >_< |
| 09:11.53 | rxr | from ome openmoko domain |
| 09:11.59 | rxr | how does yours differ? |
| 09:12.01 | Dmitry_Platonov | rxr, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Pre-built_snapshot_images |
| 09:12.13 | rtyler | those might have been mickey's images |
| 09:12.24 | rxr | rtyler: yes, where barely anything works |
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| 09:12.53 | rxr | rtyler: why does "your" screenshots look like more usable applications? what is the difference? |
| 09:13.19 | rtyler | 2007.1 vs 2007.2 |
| 09:13.27 | rxr | heh |
| 09:13.32 | rtyler | oh, and I'm a Mac user, so things naturally look better for me ;) |
| 09:14.16 | rxr | lol |
| 09:15.21 | rxr | rtyler: do you actually write software or just bitbake it together ? |
| 09:15.44 | rtyler | I'm trying to get to the point of writing software, I was hoping there'd be a ready made cross-compiler running around the source tree >_> |
| 09:16.44 | rxr | which uImage fits to the above jffs2, uImage-2.6.21.5-r2-fic-gta01.bin ? |
| 09:19.24 | clare | Hi, A bit of good news, I have had a reply from Jouston Huang at openmoko with a good tracking number - my phone has arrived in Perth, and been given to a 3rd carrier who will probably give it to Australia Post who are good at delivering, ETA Monday |
| 09:19.40 | rtyler | woot, congrats |
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| 09:21.05 | ljp | mine got here to brisbane in about 3 days |
| 09:25.28 | clare | Yes mine got to Perth Aug 9 late, then 10th few minutes ago being transferred to another carrier who thinks I am too far out and will give it to Australia Post.. This is a comfort.. but I lose the weekend. |
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| 09:30.15 | rtyler | so, any of you have any tips on getting a cross-compiler working? |
| 09:31.03 | ljp | put it in the correct place and set your PATH |
| 09:31.25 | rtyler | it also seems that since I've flashed with 2007.2, my machine can't recognize the device on the usb bus |
| 09:32.12 | rtyler | ljp: but, in terms building on, or are there prebuilt packages for it? |
| 09:32.21 | rtyler | last compiler (mips64) that I had to build *sucked* |
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| 09:34.13 | zedstar | rtyler, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile will setup a cross compilation environment for u |
| 09:35.15 | rtyler | gargh, 2007.2 is pretty, but severely broken :P |
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| 09:35.57 | ruoso | :) |
| 09:35.59 | rtyler | congrats |
| 09:36.36 | ljp | dont brick it :) |
| 09:36.55 | ruoso | I still need to flash it, right? |
| 09:38.11 | ruoso | because it gives me a kernel panic when I try to boot it... |
| 09:38.35 | ynezz | that's for customs |
| 09:38.45 | zedstar | ruoso yeh u need to flash first |
| 09:38.49 | ljp | thats because it has no root filesystem, so yes, you must flash it |
| 09:38.49 | ynezz | so you don't have to pay a VAT for a brick :p |
| 09:38.49 | rtyler | some assembly required :) |
| 09:39.33 | rtyler | quick tip, with 2007.2, apparently holding the power button won't give you the 2007.1 dialog to power off/lock |
| 09:39.41 | rtyler | so pop into the terminal, and tap in "shutdown -h now" :D |
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| 09:40.46 | ruoso | so, which rootfs image should I get? |
| 09:41.18 | Dmitry_Platonov | ruoso, try 2007.2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Pre-built_snapshot_images |
| 09:41.18 | rtyler | 2007.1 |
| 09:41.27 | rtyler | Dmitry_Platonov: I wouldn't recommend that :/ |
| 09:41.44 | rtyler | it's pretty, but a bit more buggy than 2007.1 it seems |
| 09:41.54 | Dmitry_Platonov | neither working good, but .2 looks better ^_^ |
| 09:42.21 | mellon | I like the inertial scrolling. |
| 09:42.24 | zedstar | i just got the latest from chooseopen.com at the time i got mine |
| 09:43.37 | rtyler | anybody else get super fun Monotone DB schema errors when using rwhitby's MokoMakefile? |
| 09:43.52 | rxr | rtyler: can you phone with the image you pointed to ? |
| 09:44.06 | rtyler | rxr: haven't tried it yet |
| 09:44.12 | rxr | ough |
| 09:44.16 | zedstar | rtyler: which distro u on? |
| 09:44.19 | rtyler | I could (sort of) with 2007.1 |
| 09:44.23 | rtyler | zedstar: Feisty Fawn |
| 09:44.35 | rtyler | rxr: My sound driver was frakked with 2007.1, but the dialing and connecting worked |
| 09:44.51 | rxr | rtyler: define "freaked" |
| 09:44.59 | rtyler | frakked, it means "fucked" :) |
| 09:45.12 | rxr | rtyler: you mean no sound, proably would have worked if you had alsactl restore --file /etc/alsa/whatever |
| 09:45.32 | rtyler | bet you it didn't :) |
| 09:45.39 | rtyler | alsactl couldn't find any sound cards |
| 09:45.56 | zedstar | rtyler: i had to install gutsy gibbon to get some graphics driver support and mokomakefile worked out of the box on that for me |
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| 09:46.50 | zedstar | was able to build and run the hello world console and gui version on my device using it |
| 09:46.50 | rtyler | zedstar: the mokomakefile works, it's Monotone puking on the OE.mtn that was fetched |
| 09:47.16 | rtyler | http://rafb.net/p/6oNoAV11.html |
| 09:48.35 | fatal- | NOTE: Task failed: Fetch failed: ftp://ftp.astron.com/pub/file/file-4.20.tar.gz |
| 09:48.38 | fatal- | hurmh |
| 09:50.38 | ynezz | is gutsy somehow usable? |
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| 09:50.59 | ruoso | zedstar, Dmitry_Platonov, I'm pretty unsure about which file to choose in the list at http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images |
| 09:51.06 | ruoso | for the rootfs |
| 09:51.37 | ScaredyCat | http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-.dev-snapshot-20070810-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 09:51.39 | zedstar | rtyler ah ok got no idea wot that error means didnt get it |
| 09:51.39 | ScaredyCat | that one |
| 09:51.40 | ruoso | do I need to re-flash the kernel? or just the rootfs? |
| 09:51.49 | Dmitry_Platonov | ruoso, try latest one |
| 09:51.59 | zedstar | ruoso i did both |
| 09:52.22 | Dmitry_Platonov | ruoso, both |
| 09:52.25 | ScaredyCat | it's good to match |
| 09:52.42 | ruoso | and which is the kernel image for that rootfs? |
| 09:53.33 | zedstar | i got my stuff from here http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/ as less confusion |
| 09:53.42 | ScaredyCat | http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/uImage-2.6.21.5-r2-fic-gta01.bin |
| 09:53.49 | zedstar | just one kernel on that site |
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| 09:54.14 | ruoso | zedstar, ah... ok |
| 09:54.25 | ScaredyCat | ignore the u-boot stuff. |
| 09:54.35 | ruoso | it's the uImage? or the zImage/ |
| 09:55.01 | ScaredyCat | unless you're very brave and/or have the debug board |
| 09:55.17 | ScaredyCat | uImage |
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| 09:55.40 | zedstar | cjb_ie: um no |
| 09:56.06 | rtyler | will the factory reset take me back to the point of needing a rootfs and everything? since 2007.2 has made it not communicate with my Linux box |
| 09:56.08 | ruoso | gah... I just hate pressing ctrl+alt+backscape by accident |
| 09:56.22 | ScaredyCat | by accident? |
| 09:56.35 | rtyler | ScaredyCat: when pounding the keyboard, it happens ;) |
| 09:56.38 | ruoso | I use ctrl-alt arrows to change desktop |
| 09:56.49 | ruoso | and eventually I do it too fast while typing |
| 09:57.47 | ruoso | so, for that rootfs, I will take http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/openmoko/images/uImage-2.6.21.5-r2-fic-gta01.bin as kernel image. Ok? |
| 09:58.03 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 09:59.10 | zedstar | btw do any of the sites with rootfs document the changes between versions anywhere? |
| 10:00.32 | ScaredyCat | not that I'm aware of.. |
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| 10:03.40 | rtyler | factory reset, anybody? |
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| 10:05.08 | ScaredyCat | if you want to use an OM2007.1 image, you'll need to nand erase first... IME |
| 10:05.27 | ScaredyCat | that's if you've put a OM2007.2 on beforehand |
| 10:05.33 | ScaredyCat | since they're bigger |
| 10:05.45 | rtyler | I put OM2007.1 first, I only tried out 2007.2 today |
| 10:05.47 | ruoso | ah... that's the first flashing... |
| 10:06.07 | rtyler | and now I can't get my damnit Neo showing up on the USB bus now to even flash it :'( |
| 10:06.11 | rtyler | or erases the rootfs |
| 10:07.27 | ScaredyCat | you don't gt the /dev/ttyACM0 ? |
| 10:08.03 | rtyler | nopers |
| 10:08.10 | ScaredyCat | yoink |
| 10:08.41 | ScaredyCat | yeah, apparently it doen't use block mode transfer or something |
| 10:09.00 | ScaredyCat | CM has a similar issue rtyler |
| 10:09.02 | rtyler | ScaredyCat: "Set console to USB" changes the screen for a sec, and then brings me right back to uBoot |
| 10:09.09 | rtyler | CM: d'oh! |
| 10:09.22 | ruoso | rtyler, boot from sd? |
| 10:09.27 | ScaredyCat | yes.. that's what it does |
| 10:10.04 | rtyler | ScaredyCat: but the device never shows up on me box :'( |
| 10:10.16 | ScaredyCat | but if you use minicom setup for /dev/ttyACM0 .. get to the menu (don;t need to select usb serial) |
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| 10:11.17 | ScaredyCat | hit enter a few times |
| 10:11.44 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Bootloader_prompt |
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| 10:15.25 | ruoso | wow... I got a big listing of errors about the jjfs2 image... but it then booted |
| 10:15.34 | ruoso | the errors were before it mounts the rootfs |
| 10:15.38 | mickey|ccc07 | uboot too old |
| 10:15.47 | rtyler | ScaredyCat: any tips on using minicom for this? I'm not familliar and thhe /dev/ttyACM0 device doesn't exist |
| 10:15.48 | mickey|ccc07 | either update it or manually nand erase rootfs |
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| 10:16.25 | ScaredyCat | it wont exist until you boot the phone, it switches to cdc_ether iirc |
| 10:17.40 | ScaredyCat | rtyler: setup minicom to use the ACM0.... |
| 10:18.01 | ruoso | hmmm it stopped just before the gauge bar completes |
| 10:18.28 | ScaredyCat | then boot the device (power+aux) while it's starting, fire up minicom |
| 10:18.31 | ScaredyCat | hit enter |
| 10:19.27 | Jiten | has anyone thought about text input with the accelerometers coming in gta2? I was thinking of a predictive algorithm and a 3d space in which the letters will be placed location and distance dependant on how likely the predictive algorithm thinks they are. the accelerometers will then be used to control the speed with which the space moves. |
| 10:19.49 | ecraven | counter |
| 10:19.49 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic) (1798;252) |
| 10:22.15 | Jiten | as in, as long as the predictor algorithm is correct, the user won't have to make corrections to the movement of the space and even when it makes a mistake, the correction required will be minor. |
| 10:23.01 | Jiten | ... most of the time |
| 10:23.11 | rtyler | ScaredyCat: |
| 10:23.11 | rtyler | ccnet% minicom |
| 10:23.11 | rtyler | minicom: cannot open /dev/ttyACM0: No such file or directory |
| 10:23.19 | rtyler | even from uBoot :/ |
| 10:23.52 | ruoso | any clue? |
| 10:24.00 | ruoso | I think the device just frozen.... |
| 10:24.07 | rtyler | heh |
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| 10:24.15 | rtyler | somebody Ctrl+Alt+Backspaced again |
| 10:24.43 | ruoso | not this time... my router kicked me |
| 10:25.03 | ruoso | but anyway |
| 10:25.31 | ruoso | it stops in the boot screen just before the gauge bar completes |
| 10:25.37 | ewanm89mob | You should fix your router then. |
| 10:25.40 | rtyler | heh |
| 10:25.51 | khaije1 | Jiten: that sounds brilliant, i love how the neo makes these posible |
| 10:25.56 | ruoso | and then it doesn't even responds to the power button |
| 10:26.10 | ruoso | I have to remove the battery to switch it off and then boot again |
| 10:26.14 | rtyler | mickey|ccc07: you still around? |
| 10:26.41 | rxr | i just see with my new SIM the modem already errors out after the pin |
| 10:26.41 | ewanm89mob | acpi is loaded then. |
| 10:26.46 | khaije1 | i was thinking of something somewhat similar, if you check the wiki you will see and entry for a "magic wand" style UI |
| 10:26.58 | rxr | Thu Jan 1 00:39:14 1970 <1> atcmd.c:508:atcmd_submit() submitting command `AT+CPIN="8137"' |
| 10:27.03 | rxr | Thu Jan 1 00:39:16 1970 <1> atcmd.c:199:ml_parse() buf=`+CME ERROR: 15'(14) |
| 10:27.09 | rxr | CME ERROR: 15 SIM wrong |
| 10:27.23 | khaije1 | Jiten: there is an app called 'dasher' iirc that perhaps could be adapted to this purpose |
| 10:29.10 | Jiten | khaije1: I'll take a look at it. |
| 10:30.09 | Jiten | looks like it does much the same, only in 2d |
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| 10:32.38 | Jiten | looks like dasher would be worthy of porting even for gta1 |
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| 10:38.58 | Jiten | it just has a few small problems. it works nicely if the predictor figures out what I want to type but absolutely horrible when it doesn't. |
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| 10:40.39 | rtyler | ScaredyCat: nothing >_< |
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| 10:44.13 | rxr | my SIM card is not "compatible": |
| 10:44.31 | rxr | Thu Jan 1 00:02:55 1970 <1> atcmd.c:508:atcmd_submit() submitting command `AT+CPIN="8137"' |
| 10:44.34 | rxr | Thu Jan 1 00:02:57 1970 <1> atcmd.c:199:ml_parse() buf=`+CME ERROR: 15'(14) |
| 10:44.35 | rtyler | AHA! |
| 10:44.37 | rxr | what now ? |
| 10:44.40 | rtyler | got it connected on my Mac |
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| 10:53.14 | Jiten | the main problem is that you can't find the letter you want when all but the letters with very high propabilities are either too small or crowded in small spaces. |
| 10:54.51 | Jiten | dasher really could be implemented a bit better |
| 10:55.18 | Jiten | it practically tries to cram all letters into a single line. |
| 10:55.32 | Jiten | except the most propable ones |
| 10:55.51 | Jiten | this kind of system really should use a circle :/ |
| 10:56.51 | Jiten | the prediction algorithm seems to work quite well though |
| 10:56.55 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2684 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/openmoko-dialer: openmoko theming: use moko-orange for dialer |
| 10:57.05 | ewanm89mob | make it a circle then |
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| 11:00.05 | Jiten | I guess I will. I was planning on doing the whole thing on my own at some point if no-one had done it yet. |
| 11:01.34 | ewanm89mob | make it so least likely are under the users thumb |
| 11:02.30 | ruoso | is there any clue on why the phone freezes in the boot screen just before the gauge bar completes? |
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| 11:05.52 | ewanm89mob | Me suggests looking at boot messages. |
| 11:06.42 | ruoso | how can I do that? I tried setting the console to usb, but after the kernel is loaded the device disappears |
| 11:08.37 | rtyler | ruoso: a good idea ;) |
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| 11:14.58 | ruoso | rtyler, which version should I take? |
| 11:15.03 | rtyler | 2007.1 :D |
| 11:15.33 | ruoso | and that means which file? |
| 11:16.45 | rtyler | ruoso: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/?C=M;O=D |
| 11:16.53 | rtyler | see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 silly :) |
| 11:18.12 | ruoso | rtyler, I saw the SH1 page... |
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| 11:18.57 | ruoso | rtyler, I was in that file listing |
| 11:19.07 | rtyler | grab the latest one from there? try it out :D |
| 11:19.09 | ruoso | I'm just unsure of which of them is "2007.1" |
| 11:19.25 | rtyler | pick one, I dunno :) |
| 11:19.35 | rtyler | that's not where the most recent are though, I'm relatively certain of that |
| 11:19.41 | ruoso | I already got 20070810 once |
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| 11:19.47 | ruoso | and that's the one which fails on boot |
| 11:19.54 | rtyler | because that's far more recent |
| 11:19.59 | ruoso | ah... ok |
| 11:20.26 | rtyler | I used openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 successfully before |
| 11:20.32 | rtyler | with uImage-2.6.21.6-moko10-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin |
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| 11:21.24 | rtyler | hrm, I think it's my Linux box instead of my 2007.2 Neo |
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| 11:28.27 | ruoso | buildhost.openmoko.org seems a little busy... only 40KB/s |
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| 11:29.37 | alech | Hi, can someone tell me how to get into u-boot DFU mode? If I just press aux+power, I am apparently in runtime mode ... |
| 11:30.14 | ruoso | dfu-util will do that for you |
| 11:30.25 | alech | ruoso: hmmm, apparently not :( |
| 11:30.40 | rtyler | alech: press aux, then hold down power until it boots and you'll boot into u-boot |
| 11:30.41 | ruoso | it does for me |
| 11:30.48 | ruoso | :) |
| 11:30.50 | rtyler | then you can plug it into your box, and dfu-util away |
| 11:30.53 | robster | alech: you have to run dfu-util twice |
| 11:31.00 | alech | twice? |
| 11:31.02 | robster | yeh |
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| 11:31.09 | rtyler | erm, no you don't |
| 11:31.10 | ruoso | robster, I didn't need that |
| 11:31.21 | robster | maybe that's been fixed then |
| 11:31.29 | rtyler | unless I lucked out and only had to do it once with my GTA01 ;) |
| 11:31.36 | alech | what does dfu-util -l say for you in u-boot? |
| 11:31.38 | ruoso | so did I |
| 11:31.52 | alech | I only get "Found Runtime: ..." |
| 11:32.11 | alech | but I thought I was supposed to get "Found DFU mode" ...? |
| 11:32.17 | ruoso | was you? |
| 11:32.21 | ruoso | I don't think so |
| 11:32.36 | ruoso | dfu changes the mode while uploading |
| 11:32.37 | ruoso | the ima |
| 11:32.38 | ruoso | ge |
| 11:32.41 | alech | the Dfu-util wike page says so. |
| 11:32.43 | alech | ah, ok. |
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| 11:34.15 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03alphaone * r2685 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: |
| 11:34.15 | CIA-20 | openmoko: gsmd.c: Send \r before draining tty so the modem discards any garbage that |
| 11:34.15 | CIA-20 | openmoko: was sent before. |
| 11:34.46 | alech | so, which images do I want? |
| 11:35.50 | ruoso | try the one rtyles showed me |
| 11:35.59 | ruoso | the 20070810 images didn't work for me |
| 11:36.25 | alech | sorry, don't have the history for that. are those the ones on chooseopen.com? |
| 11:37.03 | ruoso | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/?C=M;O=D |
| 11:37.10 | ruoso | 200708031138 |
| 11:37.31 | ruoso | and kernel 2.6.21.6-moko10-r1 |
| 11:37.44 | ruoso | I'm still flashing |
| 11:37.46 | ruoso | that |
| 11:37.54 | alech | ok, I'll try that, too :) |
| 11:38.09 | ruoso | flashing the rootfs takes way tooo much time |
| 11:38.11 | alech | I guess I'd want the jffs2? |
| 11:38.21 | ruoso | that's the one I'm using... |
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| 11:40.46 | alech | as for the kernel, do I want z or uImage? |
| 11:40.50 | ruoso | u |
| 11:40.57 | alech | ok ... |
| 11:41.04 | alech | (whatever that stands for) |
| 11:42.10 | Jiten | ok, seems like this dasher is usable now that I noticed a couple of things that make it a non issue that I can't tell the letters apart :) |
| 11:43.19 | ruoso | listing the releases |
| 11:43.24 | ruoso | and test reports for each of them |
| 11:43.35 | ruoso | listing all the files in each release |
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| 11:44.55 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03alphaone * r2686 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: * Add missing parameter to write |
| 11:45.20 | alech | ruoso: that sounds like a good idea |
| 11:46.11 | alech | I'll have to try again later, dfu-util apparently can not set my device to dfu mode. But this might be the case because the host is not running on real hardware but in a Parallels VM ... |
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| 11:49.35 | ruoso | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Phase_1_Software_Testing |
| 11:52.53 | mdt | where can i get the binary for gps that is mentioned in the wiki? |
| 11:53.04 | Dmitry_Platonov | ruoso, please add link to images, as there are several different builds |
| 11:54.32 | SpeedEvil | mdt: It's a commercial piece of software which has not got a license for distribution. |
| 11:54.59 | mdt | SpeedEvil, is there any other way to do gps right now? |
| 11:55.14 | mdt | SpeedEvil, and: why is it mentioned in the wiki that it is in the image? |
| 11:55.34 | SpeedEvil | because that is outdated, and nobodies fixed. |
| 11:55.57 | SpeedEvil | At the moment, you can't get the software legally unfortunately. |
| 11:56.28 | Dmitry_Platonov | SpeedEvil, is it confirmed? |
| 11:56.38 | mdt | SpeedEvil, hm... that's really sad. what do you think how long will it take? |
| 11:57.45 | mdt | SpeedEvil, or: is there any information on how the hammerhead is read? |
| 11:57.47 | SpeedEvil | Dunno. |
| 11:57.53 | SpeedEvil | Is what confirmed? |
| 11:58.12 | Dmitry_Platonov | Legal status of gllin |
| 11:58.14 | SpeedEvil | mdt: very much in progress - a working opensource driver is at least months away |
| 11:58.20 | SpeedEvil | Dmitry_Platonov: was on the mailing list |
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| 12:00.56 | Dmitry_Platonov | SpeedEvil, found it. |
| 12:03.43 | SpeedEvil | Are you updating the wiki? |
| 12:03.44 | Dmitry_Platonov | But did not found any mention about license. |
| 12:03.48 | SpeedEvil | Or should I |
| 12:04.09 | SpeedEvil | basically the phrasing was something like : |
| 12:04.26 | SpeedEvil | We are negotiating with global locate terms to release the GPS binary |
| 12:04.36 | Dmitry_Platonov | here is it http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/008466.html |
| 12:04.53 | bitplane | i just flashed my neo, and tried making a call.. it dials but the speaker and mic don't work. is this a bug or is it not implemented yet? |
| 12:05.08 | SpeedEvil | the audio state files are wrong. |
| 12:05.15 | SpeedEvil | search the wiki for alsactl |
| 12:05.26 | bitplane | cool thanks |
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| 12:05.58 | XorA | bitplane: its not really implemented yet, you need to manually switch profiles |
| 12:07.05 | bitplane | ah sweet |
| 12:07.17 | bitplane | also.. is there a SIM list i can add my working SIM to? |
| 12:07.17 | Dmitry_Platonov | SpeedEvil, please update wiki. I do not know where to place this info. |
| 12:07.22 | SpeedEvil | k |
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| 12:15.50 | ruoso | hmmm... |
| 12:15.58 | ruoso | how can I insert the pin code? |
| 12:16.06 | ruoso | it didn't ask for it |
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| 12:16.57 | mike1234567890 | hi guys... |
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| 12:18.43 | mike1234567890 | I am having trouble building python-gtk2, it says it cannot find the python headers |
| 12:18.44 | mike1234567890 | my output is here |
| 12:18.46 | mike1234567890 | http://www.pastebin.ca/652279 |
| 12:18.56 | mike1234567890 | can anyone help out? |
| 12:19.30 | mbuf | does anyone here use emacs for openmoko development? need .emacs file to know how to handle spaces in .c code |
| 12:20.48 | mdt | is there a way to know how much current is used by the phone currently? |
| 12:21.28 | mbuf | mike1234567890, you need to install python-dev ? |
| 12:21.40 | mbuf | mdt, you mean battery status ? |
| 12:21.40 | Dmitry_Platonov | mdt, direct measurement |
| 12:22.48 | SpeedEvil | mdt: no. |
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| 12:22.55 | SpeedEvil | mdt: not directly. |
| 12:23.03 | SpeedEvil | You need to splice into the battery connection. |
| 12:23.21 | SpeedEvil | Or less accurately, the USB. |
| 12:23.37 | mike1234567890 | I use gentoo, are you talking about installing on the host? My host has all the python headers and there are also in the staging directory in the correct location |
| 12:23.53 | anrp | gentoo D: |
| 12:24.17 | mike1234567890 | staging/x86_64-linux/include/python2.4/ exists and has Python.h in it |
| 12:24.54 | anrp | i use it.. and debian.. and ubuntu.. and fedora -_- |
| 12:24.57 | anrp | fun fun |
| 12:25.11 | rtyler | any of you proficient with the Linux kernel? seems my kernel refuses to recognize the Neo now for some reason |
| 12:25.17 | anrp | ei mike1234567890, config.log would be helpful |
| 12:25.19 | anrp | from the build dire |
| 12:25.21 | anrp | *dir |
| 12:25.33 | mike1234567890 | http://www.pastebin.ca/652279 <- config log |
| 12:25.40 | anrp | no the file config.log |
| 12:25.44 | anrp | from the config script |
| 12:25.53 | mike1234567890 | there is a wierd message about a file not found just above the 'python not found' message |
| 12:26.08 | SpeedEvil | define 'recognises the neo' rtyler. |
| 12:26.10 | mbuf | rtyler, what is your kernel? what do you see in /var/log/messages |
| 12:26.43 | anrp | oh.. hmm |
| 12:26.51 | anrp | does openmoko build fortran by default? |
| 12:27.30 | RedDog | ruoso: have you found out how to enter the PIN? |
| 12:28.02 | anrp | it doesn't build fortran by default |
| 12:28.05 | mbuf | RedDog, use libgsmdtool, or manually with AT+CPIN? |
| 12:28.06 | ruoso | RedDog, not yet... |
| 12:28.15 | ruoso | ah... |
| 12:28.23 | ruoso | that's a clue |
| 12:28.29 | ruoso | is there a command for that? |
| 12:28.46 | anrp | printf 'AT+CPINxxxx\r\n' > /dev/ttySAC0 is the wrong way! |
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| 12:29.10 | rtyler | mbuf: http://rafb.net/p/YWqZXO30.html |
| 12:29.33 | mike1234567890 | sry... here is config.log |
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| 12:29.37 | mbuf | ruoso, RedDog http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM |
| 12:29.51 | mike1234567890 | http://www.pastebin.ca/652293 |
| 12:30.54 | RedDog | mbuf: nice, but how is the dialer or whatever triggered to ask me ... |
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| 12:30.59 | mbuf | rtyler, check "/bin/lsmod | grep usb" for any cdc_acm or cdc_ether module |
| 12:31.06 | anrp | lines 1051-1055 |
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| 12:31.20 | anrp | you're on 64 bit.. maybe thats why it has a confused definition |
| 12:31.26 | mbuf | RedDog, i have not used the dialer, yet |
| 12:31.31 | rtyler | mbuf: cdc_ether is tacked onto usbnet |
| 12:31.38 | rtyler | then: |
| 12:31.39 | rtyler | usbcore 134280 7 cdc_ether,usbnet,cdc_acm,usbhid,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd |
| 12:32.49 | anrp | ahh |
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| 12:33.08 | mike1234567890 | :( - nobody likes us 64-bitters |
| 12:33.11 | mbuf | rtyler, disconnect and plug it back in; did you setup usb0 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 12:33.25 | anrp | mike1234567890: can you post pyconfig.h |
| 12:33.35 | anrp | shoud be in /home/mike/Projects/openmoko/mokobuild/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/include/python2.4/pyconfig.h |
| 12:33.44 | rtyler | mbuf: /etc/network/interfaces is setup according to the USB_Networking page |
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| 12:34.25 | Placid | yay: python & openmoko = ++fun_hacking; |
| 12:34.48 | rtyler | mbuf: replugging it doesn't change anything :/ |
| 12:34.49 | mike1234567890 | i hope so :) |
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| 12:34.59 | rtyler | Placid: congrats! I can't wait to get python on mine :) |
| 12:35.30 | mike1234567890 | http://www.pastebin.ca/652295 <- pyconfig.h |
| 12:35.32 | mbuf | Placid, is python really fast on the hardware? good to see battery life |
| 12:35.41 | Placid | rtyler: I haven't got a neo yet, I was merely referring to arnp's last message. I'm waiting for the P2 release :) |
| 12:35.47 | anrp | yep |
| 12:35.54 | anrp | python build is using info from the host |
| 12:36.04 | rtyler | anrp: you can't just bitbake it? |
| 12:36.11 | anrp | probably python builds small configure programs that figure out the sizeof(long) etc |
| 12:36.23 | anrp | however they're wrong since they're run on the host... |
| 12:37.00 | anrp | that's the long way of saying "it's broke" |
| 12:37.09 | anrp | maybe fixable... would have to look at python |
| 12:37.32 | anrp | rtyler: i think mike1234567890 is using bitbake |
| 12:37.46 | anrp | however he's probably one of the few building on a non-32-bit host |
| 12:37.58 | mike1234567890 | yeah - i added this line to my local.conf |
| 12:38.35 | mike1234567890 | DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS += "python-pycairo python-dbus python-imaging python-pygoogle python-pybluez python-pygtk2 python-lxml" |
| 12:39.18 | mike1234567890 | i had other problems too :( - psyco is not available, but it is not REQUIRED like the docs imply |
| 12:39.20 | mbuf | rtyler, how come there are no configuraton chosen messages in your log |
| 12:39.33 | Stephmw | Wooo! Last day at work... and I'm almost done with the work I procrastinated on :) |
| 12:39.54 | mbuf | rtyler, i see "configuration #1 chosen from 2 choices"; did you change Moko kernel or host kernel? |
| 12:39.56 | rtyler | what do you mean, configuration chosen messages? |
| 12:40.27 | mbuf | rtyler, in /var/log/messages; the host has to choose which configuration of the USB device it is going to operate with |
| 12:40.27 | rtyler | mbuf: host has remained the same, I did flash it with 'uImage-2.6.21.5-r2-fic-gta01.bin' ealier this evening |
| 12:40.41 | anrp | hmm |
| 12:40.52 | anrp | any way to post the output of the python build process |
| 12:40.57 | anrp | nto sure where it'd be tho.. sec |
| 12:40.58 | mbuf | rtyler, oh, so you changed the Neo images? ok |
| 12:41.00 | ruoso | interestingly, when I restarted gsmd and then started the dialer, the dialer asked me for a pin code |
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| 12:41.21 | ruoso | I still couldn't make a call |
| 12:41.35 | ruoso | but using libgsmd-tool I saw it already registered to the network |
| 12:41.39 | mbuf | ruoso, in recent images, for gsmd to work, i had to restart gsmd |
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| 12:41.47 | anrp | er, wait a sec |
| 12:42.09 | anrp | that's using the wrong python entirely |
| 12:42.14 | raynet | i just downloaded the latest image and managed to make a call, though couldnt hear anything but it did call and recieve calls |
| 12:42.45 | mbuf | raynet, check audio settings? |
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| 12:43.06 | rtyler | raynet: nice, I couldn't receive calls, but had the same sound issue |
| 12:43.11 | anrp | /home/mike/Projects/openmoko/mokobuild/build/tmp/staging/arm-linux |
| 12:43.19 | rtyler | one of the reasons, mbuf, I wanted to try this newer uImage |
| 12:43.19 | anrp | is there python anything in there? |
| 12:43.32 | raynet | mbuf: no time, but had to test it and it "worked" |
| 12:43.35 | mbuf | rtyler, ok |
| 12:43.45 | mbuf | raynet, cool |
| 12:44.17 | raynet | mbuf: where are the audio settings? |
| 12:44.33 | mbuf | rtyler, lsusb doesn't show the device at all, so it looks like USB enumeration didn't succeed |
| 12:44.58 | rtyler | bugger, any tips? |
| 12:44.58 | mbuf | raynet, htp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem |
| 12:45.26 | anrp | usb enumeration does depend on u-boot working.. |
| 12:45.35 | raynet | mbuf: heh |
| 12:46.07 | mike1234567890 | yes - in include/python2.4/ there are all the headers, there seems to be an extra file Python-ast.h (which is empty) |
| 12:46.45 | mbuf | anrp, ? |
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| 12:46.54 | anrp | so you have to somehow direct the configure script to use the python stuff in arm-linux, not x86_64-linux |
| 12:46.59 | anrp | which prog were you building? |
| 12:47.05 | anrp | mbuf: your link was not http D: |
| 12:47.25 | mbuf | anrp, sorry |
| 12:47.48 | anrp | ~_~ |
| 12:47.57 | apt | :/ |
| 12:48.38 | XorA | god that Audio_System page is turning into a mess |
| 12:48.42 | ruoso | I think I made a call, but it seems it didn't routed the sound correctly |
| 12:49.01 | XorA | ruoso: alsactl -f /etc/gsmhandset.state restore |
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| 12:50.07 | ruoso | hmmm |
| 12:50.12 | ruoso | XorA, no soundcards found |
| 12:50.14 | ruoso | that's odd |
| 12:50.29 | XorA | ruoso: modprobe snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753 |
| 12:51.11 | rtyler | mbuf: am I screwed? :/ |
| 12:51.40 | mbuf | rtyler, try older images? |
| 12:52.08 | rtyler | well, the thing doesn't "show" up on the USB bus for dfu-util, I'm trying to put an older image on it :P |
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| 12:52.11 | ruoso | hmm |
| 12:52.17 | ruoso | I have a mismatching kernel |
| 12:52.27 | XorA | ruoso: that wont help ;-) |
| 12:52.31 | SpeedEvil | you are pressing the aux button, then the power button? rtyler/ |
| 12:52.41 | SpeedEvil | and getting a boot menu? |
| 12:52.44 | rtyler | yep |
| 12:53.19 | XorA | dfu-util gets upset running though hubs |
| 12:53.20 | raynet | heh, calling from latest "stable" image doesnt work on my, but the non-official image i used did work |
| 12:53.20 | rtyler | it's plugged into the front of my machine :) |
| 12:53.36 | XorA | rtyler: cool, just making sure, I fell foul of that one and I should have known better |
| 12:55.36 | Dmitry_Platonov | I'm interested, how much people who ordered neo are developers? |
| 12:55.50 | rtyler | Dmitry_Platonov: depends on the kind of developer you're looking for ;) |
| 12:55.59 | mbuf | Dmitry_Platonov, i am |
| 12:56.35 | rtyler | XorA: I plugged the device into my MacBook Pro and it came up, and I could get into the console properly, but I can't really flash from there (and the usb network settings were really fucked) |
| 12:56.40 | mmp | Dmitry_Platonov: I guess there are different kinds of developers. I'm working on some other projects, I want neo to have something 'to play with', maybe hack something simple, but not fulltime hacking. |
| 12:56.44 | xkr47 | I want to be a developer. six. |
| 12:56.55 | rtyler | heh |
| 12:57.08 | xkr47 | synchronizatione rror! condition race! |
| 12:57.21 | SpeedEvil | Then there is a 'willing to develop if I can get to an understandable dev environment.'. |
| 12:57.28 | xkr47 | :) |
| 12:57.31 | XorA | rtyler: all else fails it is possible to flash from a microSD card |
| 12:57.34 | SpeedEvil | which I suspect is a large subset of people. |
| 12:57.42 | XorA | rtyler: as long as you can get to usb-serial console |
| 12:58.47 | xkr47 | after telling my mom all the reasons why I wanted this phone, she said "that sounds on all levels like a phone I would not like".. so I guess I might be interested in trying to turn that impression upside down by means of software :) |
| 12:59.04 | anrp | uh oh |
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| 12:59.09 | anrp | it failed the tilly test |
| 12:59.25 | xkr47 | or maybe it was just my sales kit that was not polished |
| 13:00.01 | Elrond | xkr47 - Rule 1: Never tell people, that _they_ could write software for it. ;-) |
| 13:00.55 | xkr47 | i.e. how to advertise, what to advertise, and what it requires from the phone |
| 13:00.57 | rtyler | XorA: the tough part will be getting the stuff onto the micro SD card >_< |
| 13:01.01 | mbuf | xkr47, i am actually interested in preparing customer support guides |
| 13:01.02 | rtyler | if that's my last option |
| 13:01.09 | anrp | you have a digital camera that takes sd? |
| 13:01.13 | anrp | most act as a card reader with usb |
| 13:01.14 | xkr47 | mbuf, ok great.. |
| 13:01.18 | mdt | xkr47, give it some month or years for your mom... right now it's a device for geeks |
| 13:01.20 | XorA | rtyler: oh, I have more SD card readers than I have limbs |
| 13:01.34 | rtyler | XorA: email me one plz kthx ;) |
| 13:01.38 | mbuf | xkr47, i am just waiting for an official 2007.2 release, once the builds don't break often, take pictures and prepare them |
| 13:01.41 | anrp | ...? |
| 13:01.47 | anrp | better than faxing one |
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| 13:01.49 | anrp | i guess |
| 13:01.50 | anrp | ... |
| 13:02.13 | xkr47 | mdt yeah.. tried to tell that it's the aim, not the current state.. |
| 13:02.16 | rtyler | mbuf: great idea, auf Deutsch oder in English? |
| 13:02.45 | xkr47 | wonder if we should have categories for different releases in the wiki |
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| 13:02.52 | anrp | yeah, the fact that the first time i tried to build openmoko the proper way, it was broken in upstream, was more than a bit offputting |
| 13:03.37 | Elrond | anrp - Yeah, guess why I still have some 21.3 kernel on it. Cause it works 99&. |
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| 13:03.41 | Elrond | s/&/% |
| 13:04.12 | mbuf | rtyler, ? |
| 13:04.19 | anrp | i built a 2.6.22 for mine, but i had to do some convoluted tricks since i didn't have u-boot |
| 13:04.24 | anrp | (because u-boot was the broken package) |
| 13:04.24 | rtyler | thhe guides, which language would they be in :) |
| 13:04.37 | anrp | i did get qvga going though, finally |
| 13:04.39 | Kheldar | english please |
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| 13:04.43 | Kheldar | :) |
| 13:04.54 | anrp | http://atocha.mit.edu/~anrp/neo_neo/ |
| 13:05.05 | Elrond | rtyler - well, someone can trnslate them / adapt them for specific countries. |
| 13:05.05 | ScaredyCat | they need to be translated into lots of languages |
| 13:05.05 | mbuf | rtyler, english, but, would like volunteers to freely translate them; customers don't like wikis; they _require_ product support guides |
| 13:05.32 | ScaredyCat | quickstart guides with pictures == multilingual |
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| 13:06.17 | anrp | you're kidding yourself on some level if you really believe that |
| 13:06.36 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, and when they sell the phones, we can insert the guides with built-in flash or SD-card so they can just plug it in and view it; rather than having to download or look in the Internet |
| 13:06.39 | anrp | sure, it might get 90% of the way |
| 13:06.46 | anrp | but to be polished it has to go further |
| 13:07.32 | ScaredyCat | anrp, master of the blindingly obvious... |
| 13:08.08 | anrp | i try my best |
| 13:08.09 | anrp | :D |
| 13:08.19 | anrp | sometimes it's not that obvious though |
| 13:08.22 | Jiten | a keyboard with 6 keys would be enough to type any letter and some extra characters with 2 keypresses each. |
| 13:09.03 | Jiten | on a touchscreen you could easily make it self-documenting |
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| 13:11.35 | Jiten | just 4 keys would enough for 3 keypresses each (64 combos)... that would be enough to make it not necessary to move your fingers. |
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| 13:13.36 | Jiten | that dasher predictive text input system has one rather big flaw. I can't read other text while I write. |
| 13:14.30 | Jiten | especially a problem with irc :) |
| 13:15.09 | rtyler | phew! |
| 13:15.16 | rtyler | finally found an SD Card reader in the office |
| 13:15.34 | rtyler | so now the better question is, from my Linux box, how to get the kernel image on the disk so I can restore it on the Neo |
| 13:16.06 | SpeedEvil | Dasher is cool - if you can stare at the display all the time. |
| 13:16.19 | Jiten | SpeedEvil: yes, that's what I noticed. |
| 13:16.59 | SpeedEvil | the notion that it's an 'optimal' input system, with a minimal number of bits also assumes that you're running it from a binary time-sliced input device. |
| 13:17.09 | Kheldar | dasher with transparency? |
| 13:17.11 | SpeedEvil | Which is not the case. |
| 13:17.14 | mike1234567890 | speaking of which... are there any speech recognition systems which would be available to put on the phone? |
| 13:17.16 | SpeedEvil | Not the problem. |
| 13:17.34 | SpeedEvil | the problem is that you have to basically stare at the dasher interface to 'negotiate' it. |
| 13:17.39 | Kheldar | true |
| 13:17.52 | rtyler | does one just copy the uImage.bin over to the SD Disk, and then will u-boot be able to unpack it? |
| 13:18.09 | SpeedEvil | look on the [[Bootloader]] page. |
| 13:18.22 | SpeedEvil | It probably doesn't help quite enough, but gives you an idea. |
| 13:18.33 | Kheldar | used speechlion (script based on sphinx4) |
| 13:18.48 | Kheldar | but I think would be too big to run on moko |
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| 13:18.56 | squalyl | hi all |
| 13:19.43 | squalyl | can someone explain me exactly what's going on with the mailing list? I verified my subscriptions, all is OK, but i didn't receive a single mail since August 8! |
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| 13:20.17 | rtyler | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.28 | squalyl | sorry... |
| 13:20.37 | squalyl | OK then :D |
| 13:20.59 | SpeedEvil | It's broken. |
| 13:21.03 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2687 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.22.x/patches/ (openmoko-logo.patch series): Display the OpenMoko logo instead of Tux. |
| 13:21.21 | SpeedEvil | Laforge posted a couple of days ago 'sita down for administrative reasons'. |
| 13:21.25 | SpeedEvil | on here. |
| 13:21.51 | ynezz | sorry for off-topic, but i'm looking for some shop, where I could buy mp3 using paypal -- is there such? |
| 13:21.57 | rxr | someone FIC intern around here? |
| 13:21.58 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Good news: Fido in Canada DOES work with the neo (and GSM works too on my phone -- yay). No onto sound :P |
| 13:21.59 | SpeedEvil | Why he couldn't have said 'the mailing list machine', which would have been understood by a thousand times the people, is .... |
| 13:22.20 | rxr | we have a serious problem with UMTSv2 SIM cards, that do not interoperate with the TI GSM hardware in the Neo ... |
| 13:22.22 | SpeedEvil | rxr: Why? |
| 13:22.25 | ynezz | SpeedEvil: because it's not only mailing list machine? |
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| 13:22.48 | rtyler | man getting the SD card in and out is a fucking nightmare >_< |
| 13:23.02 | ynezz | you don't lost it easily then :p |
| 13:23.06 | rxr | 1I just had some quite long and phonecalls with O2 Germany due to this UMTSv2 SIM cards ... |
| 13:23.07 | HistoryOnTheRoad | rtyler: They could have soldered it in :P |
| 13:23.09 | SpeedEvil | ynezz: however, specifying the functions, rather than the obscure name, which nobody knows... |
| 13:23.18 | SpeedEvil | rxr: there are issues with various |
| 13:23.21 | SpeedEvil | SIM providers |
| 13:23.50 | rxr | hardware compatibility with the TI chip? |
| 13:23.58 | rxr | is there a known cause, solution, plan ? |
| 13:24.04 | ynezz | so, share the 'closed hardware' pain with us! |
| 13:24.36 | ynezz | rxr: there is a evil bug #666 for this |
| 13:24.45 | rxr | is there a wiki page about it bugzilla entry |
| 13:24.48 | rxr | #666 ? |
| 13:24.49 | ynezz | maybe you can extend it with your info |
| 13:24.49 | SpeedEvil | rxr: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT |
| 13:25.03 | ynezz | rxr: yes, on bugzilla |
| 13:25.10 | ynezz | !ombug 666 |
| 13:25.11 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 666, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 13:25.12 | cdbot2 | * * steven.demetrius(AT)fiwwi.com: 3G SIM capability |
| 13:25.13 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 |
| 13:25.42 | ynezz | nice number tho :p |
| 13:25.43 | rxr | that is not about 3G |
| 13:25.49 | ynezz | but same problem |
| 13:25.49 | rxr | I have two UMTS, G3 cards here |
| 13:25.52 | SpeedEvil | It's misnamed. |
| 13:25.54 | rxr | one from 2006 and one from 2007 |
| 13:25.56 | SpeedEvil | It's not only 3D |
| 13:25.59 | SpeedEvil | It's not only 3G |
| 13:26.01 | rxr | the 2006 UMTS SIM cards just works fine |
| 13:26.27 | ynezz | nice, so write your problem to buzilla |
| 13:26.36 | Dmitry_Platonov | FIC engineers have access to TI firware, so I think it will be fixed by FIC or TI |
| 13:26.49 | ynezz | nobody than fic/ti can fix it |
| 13:26.52 | SpeedEvil | I don't think FIC has access to source. |
| 13:26.57 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it. |
| 13:27.13 | SpeedEvil | They get the binary blobs to flash the modem with only. |
| 13:27.22 | rtyler | damnit. This looks like it's going to be complex trying to boot and restore from the SD card >_< |
| 13:27.28 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 13:28.19 | rtyler | mbuf: ever done it? :/ |
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| 13:29.31 | Dmitry_Platonov | SpeedEvil, http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=GTA01_gsm_modem |
| 13:30.51 | rxr | what is the SKU in this compatbibility table ? |
| 13:31.03 | rxr | the first 5 numbers of the ICCID ? |
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| 13:32.01 | Stephmw | ... http://www.popsci.com/popsci/technology/e7e48a137b144110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html Chinese iPhone clone... MMS, 3rd Party apps... who cares about multitouch? |
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| 13:33.47 | Stephmw | rtyler: as far as the iphone uses it... I could do without |
| 13:33.53 | Stephmw | rtyler: having played with it |
| 13:34.49 | rtyler | used properly it could help the overall usablility of the device, especially since there's so few input methods *tap* *tap* |
| 13:35.19 | Stephmw | I think the key point is 'used properly' |
| 13:35.58 | rtyler | crap, looks like I'll have to format the SD card like a mini linux partition |
| 13:36.09 | rtyler | and load the kernel on there from the bin file somehow |
| 13:36.11 | mbuf | rtyler, which one? |
| 13:36.19 | rtyler | mbuf: what do you mean which one? |
| 13:36.33 | mike1234567890 | Kheldar: Thanks - Ill have a look around, I wont get my hopes up though |
| 13:37.03 | mbuf | rtyler, "ever done it" |
| 13:37.26 | rtyler | restored, say your kernel on the Neo, from an SD card |
| 13:37.31 | rtyler | or booted from it even |
| 13:37.45 | rtyler | trying to regress the version of what's on my Neo to something less..broken >_< |
| 13:38.02 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2688 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (openmoko-logo.patch series): Use patch from 2.6.22 for 2.6.21. |
| 13:38.54 | mbuf | nope |
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| 13:42.49 | anrp | huh, i got an unreadable cingular sim |
| 13:44.53 | Jiten | dasher seems pretty nice. the only thing that bothers me that a lot of the time I can see where I want to go, my mouse is on top of it and I have to wait a second or two for the zoomer to get there. can't help thinking I'd like to click there and have it zoom there at turbo instead of the crawl it seems to think works for me. |
| 13:45.00 | anrp | works in my other phones... |
| 13:45.06 | anrp | guess it's just an issue with the ti fw |
| 13:46.05 | anrp | now where'd my sim card holder go |
| 13:47.09 | anrp | behind my monitor ~_~ |
| 13:47.45 | Jiten | ok, click mode at fastest speed feels better... except that it's still too slow :/ |
| 13:50.45 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03wansti * r2689 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/sounds/ (clicks.rg touchscreen_click.wav): New touchscreen click sound |
| 13:51.01 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03wansti * r2690 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/sounds/touchscreen_click.wav.mp3: New touchscreen click (mp3) |
| 13:51.03 | summatusmentis | there's gonna be a click sound? |
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| 13:53.22 | anrp | yay, my t-mobile sim works |
| 13:53.32 | anrp | t-mo us |
| 13:57.57 | rtyler | mbuf: you mentioned earlier the kernel possible having the wrong usb signature or something, I'm wondering how that would affect it now showing up to the host in u-boot? (since the host hasn't changed) |
| 13:58.55 | ewanm89mob | I suppose most UK SIMs should work, |
| 14:01.19 | mbuf | rtyler, the device has to present the USB configurations to the host PC when connected; after u-boot loads, Linux kernel starts, and USB on the device starts |
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| 14:01.46 | mbuf | rtyler, might have to snoop USB traffic to see what's going on |
| 14:02.49 | rtyler | that doesn't track, usb on the device has to startup on uboot else dfu-util wouldn't work |
| 14:02.59 | rtyler | (and I wouldn't see some of the messages in /var/log/messages) |
| 14:03.19 | anrp | nah |
| 14:03.27 | anrp | device sense is simply resistors across the data lines |
| 14:03.36 | anrp | so it might not actually be starting usb |
| 14:04.04 | mbuf | rtyler, i thought you were asking on the neo not being detected on the host PC after Linux loads |
| 14:04.06 | anrp | probably not the answer you want though D: |
| 14:04.09 | rtyler | Aug 10 07:01:09 ccnet kernel: [1441268.060000] usb 1-8: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 9 |
| 14:04.21 | rtyler | mbuf: oh no, it doesn't get detected on the host anymore right at uboot |
| 14:05.29 | rtyler | I don't want to brick my Neo, but I'm still super curious as to what Factory Reset does :P |
| 14:05.59 | rtyler | mbuf: from u-boot, the device will show up and is contactable from my Mac, but no longer from my Linux host, despite nothing changing on either |
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| 14:07.40 | mbuf | rtyler, from u-boot when connected to Debian Etch, it shows up as CDC-ACM device, as /dev/ttyACM0; check your /var/log/messages |
| 14:07.55 | rtyler | mbuf: I am, that entry above is what it pastes |
| 14:08.04 | rtyler | but not ttyACM0 is ever created |
| 14:08.21 | SpeedEvil | Do you have cdc_acm in the kernel? |
| 14:08.57 | mbuf | rtyler, for me it says in /var/log/messages, configuration #1 chosen from 2 devices, and cdc_acm module is chosen; this is required to use DFU operation |
| 14:09.14 | rtyler | SpeedEvil: yes, I put a newer snapshot of OM on the device last night (earlier :'(), from the same host :P |
| 14:09.26 | rtyler | http://pastebin.ca/652394 |
| 14:10.14 | rtyler | I'm debating whether or not something could have possible just gone wacky with my Linux box, and whether or not I should sacrifice all my running services and just reboot the host >_< |
| 14:11.29 | mbuf | rtyler, is cdc_acm module loaded on the host PC? |
| 14:11.42 | rtyler | mbuf: see the pastebin post |
| 14:11.56 | anrp | it's there, but not there |
| 14:11.58 | anrp | ?? |
| 14:12.01 | mbuf | rtyler, sorry, missed that one |
| 14:12.12 | anrp | try rmmod cdc_adm; modprobe cdc_acm |
| 14:12.30 | mbuf | rtyler, which distro are you using? |
| 14:12.34 | rtyler | Feisty |
| 14:12.59 | rtyler | O_O http://pastebin.ca/652397 |
| 14:13.18 | rtyler | gak |
| 14:13.22 | rtyler | rogue period |
| 14:13.39 | mbuf | rtyler, what do you see in /var/log/messages, it is cdc_acm |
| 14:13.43 | rtyler | well, guess it doesn't matter, still sprews the same error |
| 14:13.50 | rtyler | mbuf: when I plug in the device? |
| 14:14.11 | mbuf | rtyler, yes |
| 14:14.24 | anrp | also |
| 14:14.29 | anrp | not cdc_adm |
| 14:14.38 | anrp | acm |
| 14:14.47 | rtyler | d'oh |
| 14:14.48 | anrp | and you need to sudo modprobe |
| 14:14.53 | mbuf | rtyler, if you don't see cdc_acm, then it is not built as a module in the kernel, check with ubuntu |
| 14:15.11 | rtyler | Aug 10 07:16:23 ccnet kernel: [1442182.008000] usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_acm |
| 14:15.15 | rtyler | Aug 10 07:16:23 ccnet kernel: [1442182.008000] drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c: v0.25:USB Abstract Control Model driver for USB modems and ISDN adapters |
| 14:15.18 | rtyler | now to power up the device >_> |
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| 14:16.03 | rtyler | hrm, same as previously |
| 14:16.26 | mbuf | rtyler, power up the device, enter u-boot mode, then plug it into the host pC |
| 14:16.30 | mbuf | rtyler, *PC |
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| 14:18.07 | rtyler | *grumbles* |
| 14:18.09 | rtyler | same crap |
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| 14:18.20 | rtyler | the module is being loaded it seems, or so /var/log/messages says |
| 14:18.39 | mbuf | rtyler, just tell us what it says; don't describe it for us |
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| 14:19.07 | rtyler | http://pastebin.ca/652401 |
| 14:19.47 | rtyler | updated: http://pastebin.ca/652403 |
| 14:20.18 | mike1234567890 | I found some more information about my pygtk2 error... According to this post it should have been fixed |
| 14:20.20 | mike1234567890 | http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-March/001722.html |
| 14:20.37 | mike1234567890 | but it isnt :( |
| 14:20.43 | mbuf | rtyler, the configuration is not being chosen, and hence cdc_acm doesn't take control of the USB device, and hence dfu-util will not work |
| 14:20.56 | mbuf | gtg, catch you later |
| 14:21.04 | rtyler | cliffhanger! |
| 14:21.13 | rtyler | wonder how I force the right configuration' |
| 14:25.29 | rtyler | I'm wondering if it's because the device doesn't seem to properly unregister on the USB bus, so the 'usb address' has been incrementingly slowly all night |
| 14:25.52 | rtyler | that would only matter I suppose if cdc_acm is still attached to an unregister usb address |
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| 14:34.53 | RedDog | hmm the touchscreen sound is very nice ... but this x start/boot sound is not my style ... |
| 14:36.19 | mjr | yeah, too bad you can't do anything about it |
| 14:36.24 | mjr | oh wait, I mistook this for the iPhone |
| 14:36.32 | rtyler | *rimshot* |
| 14:36.43 | rtyler | "And mjr comes out swinging!" |
| 14:38.12 | rtyler | I think my Linux machine has just caught a case of the stupidz |
| 14:38.19 | rtyler | my Mac is working fine with it |
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| 14:44.13 | xkr47 | yo.. |
| 14:44.37 | xkr47 | the [[Flashing_openmoko]] page says that one needs to erase rootfs if the new image is smaller than the old |
| 14:44.44 | xkr47 | does this only apply to the rootfs partition ? |
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| 14:46.00 | RedDog | xkr47: i thought this bug was fixed? |
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| 14:46.10 | xkr47 | is it a bug ?-) |
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| 14:48.18 | ruoso | hmm... |
| 14:49.36 | xkr47 | (searched for "erase") |
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| 14:55.39 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 14:55.46 | SpeedEvil | Just had my first hard-lockup. |
| 14:56.25 | SpeedEvil | USB dead, no response on touchscreen... |
| 14:58.02 | xkr47 | jtag ?-) |
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| 15:03.58 | ruoso | nox-Hand, welll... it's still not ready for real usage |
| 15:04.44 | nox-Hand | ruoso: I know :) Good nuff for geeks though ;) |
| 15:04.44 | nox-Hand | I think I will wait for mass market release if I can afford it though |
| 15:05.13 | ruoso | xkr47, me too... but I don't expect using it as a real phone yet |
| 15:05.56 | xkr47 | yeah |
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| 15:06.07 | xkr47 | so is it so that I don't need to erase nand at all anymore ? |
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| 15:06.27 | ruoso | i didn't and it seems to work |
| 15:06.51 | xkr47 | have you flashed from a bigger to a smaller image ? |
| 15:06.58 | ruoso | yes |
| 15:07.08 | xkr47 | rootfs or kernel or both ? |
| 15:07.29 | ruoso | kernels are all around 1.5M |
| 15:07.35 | xkr47 | yeah but |
| 15:07.38 | ruoso | rootfs was like from 40M to 31M |
| 15:07.55 | xkr47 | hmm |
| 15:08.48 | jipi | sigh. i still couldn get my host to talk to the debug board |
| 15:08.56 | xkr47 | :/ |
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| 15:13.12 | ruoso | sometimes gsm works fiine... sometimes not... |
| 15:13.38 | ruoso | what I do: startup, go to the little icon above, power on, autoregister |
| 15:15.05 | calamous_ | Good Morning all. Anyone know more about 3g sims? |
| 15:15.30 | Vegar | daxxar: alive? |
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| 15:24.54 | xkr47 | hmm my moko is in a strange state.. screensaver (or similar) activated due to idle |
| 15:24.59 | xkr47 | but it didn't react to tapping the screen |
| 15:25.07 | SpeedEvil | try pressing the top button |
| 15:25.09 | xkr47 | pressing the power button quickly makes the screen flash |
| 15:25.19 | xkr47 | the aux button does nothing |
| 15:25.28 | xkr47 | if I press the power button again, it flashes again |
| 15:25.41 | SpeedEvil | Annoying. |
| 15:25.51 | xkr47 | is this typical behaviour in powered-off mode or .. |
| 15:26.19 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 15:26.26 | xkr47 | if I press the power button quickly while the phone is normally active, the current application vanishes, leaving a black hole in the middle |
| 15:26.26 | SpeedEvil | It does that occasionally. |
| 15:26.38 | SpeedEvil | that kills the current app |
| 15:26.47 | ruoso | yep... the window manager gets confused too often |
| 15:26.48 | xkr47 | aha :D |
| 15:27.02 | xkr47 | so it's the window manager that causes these "blackouts" :) |
| 15:27.20 | xkr47 | is the aux button doing anything in X / matchbox currently? |
| 15:27.42 | thomasg | xkr47, when I boot my neo it doesn't leave anything but a black hole :) |
| 15:27.49 | xkr47 | :O |
| 15:27.51 | ruoso | does anyone have a clue on how can I make sound work? |
| 15:28.11 | xkr47 | SpeedEvil, suggested "way out" ? |
| 15:28.17 | xkr47 | just power off by 5 sec ? |
| 15:28.18 | thomasg | ruoso, you have to start the alsasound service and load/set the options in alsamixer |
| 15:28.41 | ruoso | thomasg, is it in init.d? I didn't find anything related there |
| 15:29.08 | thomasg | should be, yes |
| 15:29.13 | ruoso | which service? |
| 15:29.21 | thomasg | no /etc/init.d/alsasound there? |
| 15:29.52 | xkr47 | SpeedEvil, hmm! pressing power for three seconds booted the device up |
| 15:30.39 | ruoso | hmm |
| 15:30.46 | ruoso | thomasg, I have pulseaudio |
| 15:31.21 | thomasg | ruoso, let me check |
| 15:31.23 | thomasg | mom |
| 15:31.31 | XorA | ruoso: dmesg | grep -i ASOC |
| 15:32.13 | ruoso | XorA, nothing |
| 15:32.23 | XorA | ruoso: then you have no sound drivers installed |
| 15:32.38 | XorA | modprobe snd-soc-neo1973-wm8753 |
| 15:32.41 | ruoso | lsmod tells me I have |
| 15:32.43 | xkr47 | ok next "issue".. after killing some app for testers, a bunch of seconds later, the backlight goes to 50% light mode, and slightly later completely off.. what's this all about :P |
| 15:33.02 | ruoso | XorA, that module was already loaded |
| 15:33.16 | XorA | then alsactrl -f /etc/stereoout.state restore |
| 15:33.22 | XorA | madplay test.mp3 |
| 15:33.42 | XorA | /etc/alsa/stereoout.state |
| 15:35.19 | ruoso | hmm |
| 15:35.29 | ruoso | alsamixer show the channels |
| 15:35.54 | ruoso | but alsactl -f... restore tells me "No state is present for card neo973" |
| 15:36.23 | bmidgley | what's in the ... |
| 15:36.27 | XorA | what the first line of /etc/alsa/stereoout.state |
| 15:37.29 | ScaredyCat | did you download that old one? |
| 15:37.53 | xkr47 | in what package is cu ? |
| 15:38.03 | XorA | xkr47: uucp |
| 15:38.12 | xkr47 | thx |
| 15:38.30 | ruoso | state.neo1973 { |
| 15:38.56 | ScaredyCat | cu_1.07-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 15:38.56 | ruoso | ScaredyCat, using 200708031138 |
| 15:39.10 | XorA | ruoso: then wierdness is going on |
| 15:39.15 | ruoso | nice... |
| 15:39.22 | ruoso | maybe I should try another image |
| 15:39.55 | ScaredyCat | try one of mine |
| 15:40.07 | ScaredyCat | only om2007.1 .. but hey |
| 15:40.38 | ruoso | hmm |
| 15:40.47 | ruoso | madplay now outputted something |
| 15:40.48 | ruoso | :) |
| 15:40.58 | xkr47 | :))) |
| 15:41.52 | ruoso | let's see if the calling works |
| 15:45.57 | mdt | does the aux-button work in openmoko-gui somewhere? |
| 15:46.12 | xkr47 | I didn't find any yet :) |
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| 15:46.40 | mdt | for me it seems the kernel does not return useful stuff with this button... |
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| 15:47.16 | ruoso | ok... after the reboot madplay always outputs sound |
| 15:47.24 | ruoso | but the dialer don't. |
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| 15:47.35 | mdt | (i don't use openmoko-gui, i use directfb which translates raw kernel output from /dev/tty.. - but this is all-0) |
| 15:48.47 | tuukkah | ruoso, afaik you need to change the mixer states for music / call output |
| 15:48.49 | mdt | ruskie, how much cpu does madplay use? |
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| 15:49.19 | ruoso | tuukkah, should I do it by hand? |
| 15:49.49 | tuukkah | these stuff: alsactrl -f /etc/stereoout.state restore |
| 15:50.18 | jeddy3 | daxxar, there? |
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| 15:53.45 | ruoso | now gsm just lost itself |
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| 15:54.44 | juri_ | yay! my openmoko was just charged! |
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| 15:55.34 | juri_ | i wasn't expecting that. :) |
| 15:57.02 | ruoso | sometimes the device just stop while shutting down |
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| 16:02.30 | ruoso_ | wow... that time I got microphony |
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| 16:05.14 | jipi | hi folks, does anyone knows if the current libftdi in debian sid is workable with our neo debug board v2? |
| 16:14.08 | bmidgley | which nokia uses the same battery? |
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| 16:16.23 | xkr47 | heh killed the main menu in 2007.2 ... |
| 16:16.37 | xkr47 | now the device won't shut down, even by pressing the power button for 9 seconds |
| 16:16.51 | xkr47 | the keyboard and top status bar still works but I cannot shut it down |
| 16:16.53 | xkr47 | :) |
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| 16:17.51 | xkr47 | do I have to pull the battery then :P |
| 16:18.14 | borg_ | NOTE: Unpacking /data/openmoko/openembedded/packages/gsm/files/gsmd to /data/openmoko/openmoko/tmp/work/fic-gta01-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libgsmd-0.1+svnrNOT IMPLEMENTED-r17/ |
| 16:18.14 | ruoso | but the dialer crashed instantly |
| 16:18.17 | borg_ | cp: target `IMPLEMENTED-r17/./' is not a directory: No such file or directory |
| 16:18.18 | borg_ | mhh |
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| 16:18.25 | borg_ | i think there is a problem with the space |
| 16:18.43 | borg_ | is this known? |
| 16:20.22 | xkr47 | ok that was a bit disturbing.. forgot to unplug the usb when I removed the cable.. the speakers started making a low buzzing sound |
| 16:20.33 | xkr47 | s/cable/battery/ |
| 16:21.38 | xkr47 | how do you shut down the phone in 2007.2 ? |
| 16:21.50 | rtyler | xkr47: slam it as hard as you can against the table |
| 16:22.05 | xkr47 | niiiice!! that helps |
| 16:22.06 | rtyler | xkr47: I went into the terminal and tapped out 'shutdown -h now' |
| 16:22.15 | doc|work | o.O |
| 16:22.19 | xkr47 | ;--) |
| 16:22.20 | rtyler | that's the only thing that worked reliably |
| 16:22.25 | xkr47 | better keep some terminals handy then :) |
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| 16:22.41 | thomasg | hm, where's dmitry? -.- |
| 16:22.46 | xkr47 | it was at least providing a shutdown option (!!) |
| 16:23.05 | xkr47 | nopes, I checked, there was no dmitry in rtyler |
| 16:23.15 | xkr47 | ^^ |
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| 16:23.41 | thomasg | I just wonder, why I am the only one who can't get a working openmoko-devel-image via the org.oe.dev-tree... |
| 16:24.05 | thomasg | I always just see the icons of the top-bar |
| 16:24.33 | xkr47 | heh funny with the inversed progress bar on shutdown |
| 16:24.43 | rtyler | xkr47: clever eh? :P |
| 16:25.01 | xkr47 | it was worth a little lol |
| 16:27.38 | jeddy3 | does anyone know what the "desktop" background image is named in 2007.1? |
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| 16:37.17 | orzo | i have a stereo headphones with a mic attached that has two connectors at the end (one for mic and one for headphones). Is it poosible to get an adapter that will make it plug into the neo? |
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| 16:40.39 | doc|work | orzo: what's the difference? |
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| 16:41.53 | orzo | the difference between what? |
| 16:42.11 | Henrikw | orzo: like this one? http://www.mobileplanet.com/zoompic.aspx?type=item&i=113967 |
| 16:42.13 | doc|work | what's on the neo and what you have |
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| 16:42.53 | orzo | Henrikw, yeah, that looks right |
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| 16:43.06 | orzo | does the neo's headphone jack support stereo though? |
| 16:43.14 | jeddy3 | orzo, yes |
| 16:43.39 | jeddy3 | it's 3.way 2.5mm, stereo+mic |
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| 16:44.34 | orzo | ok cool |
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| 16:44.55 | orzo | might make a decent mp3 player after all |
| 16:44.56 | orzo | heh |
| 16:45.44 | Henrikw | hope so ;) |
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| 16:54.42 | SpeedEvil | mdt: some 20%. mplayer uses some 10% in some cases. |
| 16:55.07 | mdt | SpeedEvil, good to hear... ;) |
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| 16:57.55 | orzo | well |
| 16:58.16 | orzo | whose making a handy interface for the neo to be an mp3 player? |
| 16:58.40 | orzo | maybe an mpd client so that the same interface might control music played by another computer |
| 17:00.15 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 03njp * r2691 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 17:00.15 | CIA-20 | openmoko: 2007-08-10 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 17:00.15 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_pin_entry), |
| 17:00.15 | CIA-20 | openmoko: (on_keypad_digit_pressed), (on_pin_requested), (moko_dialer_init): |
| 17:00.15 | CIA-20 | openmoko: Set the keypad to 'pin mode' when a pin is requested. |
| 17:00.20 | CIA-20 | openmoko: * src/moko-keypad.c: (_get_window), (moko_keypad_set_pin_mode), |
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| 17:00.21 | CIA-20 | openmoko: (on_dial_clicked), (on_delete_event), (moko_keypad_class_init), |
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| 17:01.33 | daxxar | jeddy3: yes, i am now |
| 17:01.48 | daxxar | Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/ end |
| 17:02.02 | daxxar | (eh, ignore that, /sv instead of /sb) |
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| 17:02.14 | rtyler | Irssi 0.8.10 (20051211) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 17:02.20 | daxxar | ^_^ |
| 17:02.26 | orzo | bbl |
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| 17:04.42 | niclone | hi, i'm trying to make gsm working, but it won't... AT+CFUN=1 return ERROR |
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| 17:05.07 | niclone | I tried with AT+CPIN or without (by removing the pin on the sim with an another phone) |
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| 17:06.38 | HistoryOnTheRoad | niclone: type it harder. That sometimes helps :P |
| 17:07.15 | HistoryOnTheRoad | niclone: did you try using the other mode for the libgsmtool? |
| 17:07.30 | niclone | what is the other mode? |
| 17:07.35 | HistoryOnTheRoad | -m atcmd and -m ??? (I'll look it up, sec) |
| 17:07.52 | RedDog | shell |
| 17:08.04 | niclone | yes, and i've tried with cu |
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| 17:08.55 | ruoso | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla//show_bug.cgi?id=698 |
| 17:09.27 | HistoryOnTheRoad | That is |
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| 17:09.33 | HistoryOnTheRoad | that's it, even |
| 17:09.56 | HistoryOnTheRoad | niclone: Did you try powering on and registering? |
| 17:10.15 | niclone | registering come after AT+CFUN isn't it? |
| 17:10.16 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I've gotten both GSM providers to register to the Neo in my area |
| 17:10.27 | daMaestro | anyone know what to do with @INC being wrong/not complete when building om2007.2? |
| 17:10.30 | HistoryOnTheRoad | AT+COPS I think |
| 17:10.58 | HistoryOnTheRoad | daMaestro: I'd say it goes in the wood chipper. :P |
| 17:11.19 | HistoryOnTheRoad | daMaestro: Are you sure your tree is in sync? |
| 17:11.23 | niclone | -> CME ERROR: 32 |
| 17:11.31 | daMaestro | HistoryOnTheRoad, yes |
| 17:12.05 | HistoryOnTheRoad | daMaestro: Are you using HEAD or are you using a rev that is known to work? |
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| 17:12.39 | HistoryOnTheRoad | niclone: I don't know the CME Errors. Does your SIM have a PIN code enabled? |
| 17:13.09 | niclone | HistoryOnTheRoad: i've tried with and without enabled it, at this time, it is disabled |
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| 17:14.39 | HistoryOnTheRoad | niclone: Are you sure your SIM card is being picked up (is it properly in place?) |
| 17:14.59 | daMaestro | HistoryOnTheRoad, make update from last night |
| 17:15.57 | niclone | HistoryOnTheRoad: well I'm going to verify again... |
| 17:16.10 | Hokky | Hello everyone! I just got my GTA01 phone I've installed the image at: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 17:16.34 | Hokky | Does anyone know of a more recent image or is this the best I can get atm? |
| 17:16.35 | HistoryOnTheRoad | daMaestro: If you are building HEAD, then what is checked in might be broken. I'm guessing, but HEAD is like that sometimes. |
| 17:17.33 | ScaredyCat | AT+CFUN=1 |
| 17:17.38 | ScaredyCat | AT+COPS |
| 17:17.47 | daMaestro | Hokky, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#Pre-built_snapshot_images |
| 17:17.49 | ScaredyCat | AT+COPS? |
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| 17:19.20 | Hokky | daMaestro: Thanks :) |
| 17:19.52 | daMaestro | Hokky, the dialer is broken for me with the 20070809 image... and 20070810 was not working |
| 17:20.32 | niclone | ScaredyCat: AT+CFUN=1 ---> ERROR |
| 17:21.06 | ScaredyCat | AT+CPIN='....' <- .... = pin |
| 17:21.37 | Hokky | I got the dialer app working, but no sound. |
| 17:22.13 | ScaredyCat | alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state restore |
| 17:22.22 | ScaredyCat | watch your ears |
| 17:22.51 | ScaredyCat | niclone: just be careful... too many pin tries == locked sim, requiroing puk |
| 17:22.52 | daMaestro | ScaredyCat, you just need to run 'alsamixer' and turn down the headphone channel to ~80 |
| 17:23.21 | daMaestro | ScaredyCat, then it wont destroy your ears |
| 17:23.22 | daMaestro | lol |
| 17:23.31 | ScaredyCat | pardon? |
| 17:23.34 | niclone | ScaredyCat: i've disabled the pin code as for now, so AT+CPIN won't work |
| 17:23.42 | daMaestro | alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state restore "watch your ears" |
| 17:24.00 | ruoso | I did that and got a huge noise |
| 17:24.04 | ruoso | microphony, I mean |
| 17:24.30 | ScaredyCat | niclone: and you haven't tried too many times with the pin enables? |
| 17:24.38 | ScaredyCat | s/enables/enabled/ |
| 17:24.56 | ScaredyCat | feedback ruoso |
| 17:25.07 | niclone | ScaredyCat: no, and moving the sim card on another phone, the sim card is always working |
| 17:25.15 | ScaredyCat | ok... |
| 17:25.46 | ScaredyCat | do an ATZ to reset |
| 17:25.58 | ScaredyCat | then ATE1 |
| 17:26.11 | ScaredyCat | and then try the AT+CFUN=1 |
| 17:26.55 | ScaredyCat | are you roaming? |
| 17:27.16 | ScaredyCat | you might try AT+COPS=? to list available providers |
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| 17:27.33 | ruoso | SpeedEvil, daMaestro, in fact... getting it to below 90 solves the noise for me |
| 17:27.33 | ruoso | and I can use the phone |
| 17:27.44 | niclone | ATZ -> OK, ATE1 -> OK, AT+CFUN1 -> ERROR |
| 17:28.00 | niclone | AT+CFUN=1 i mean |
| 17:28.03 | ScaredyCat | AT+CFUN=1 |
| 17:28.05 | ScaredyCat | ok |
| 17:28.06 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 17:28.17 | ScaredyCat | try an AT+COPS=? |
| 17:28.24 | ScaredyCat | include the = and ? |
| 17:28.43 | niclone | +COPS: 0 |
| 17:28.43 | niclone | OK |
| 17:29.30 | ScaredyCat | let me reset mine to start from a known state |
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| 17:29.41 | niclone | ok :) |
| 17:30.11 | calamous_ | What sim card are you using? |
| 17:30.12 | niclone | i've also tried echo 0...1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on for resetting it harder |
| 17:30.22 | niclone | this is a orange sim card from france |
| 17:30.31 | calamous_ | niclone: Do you know the vendor IDs on it? |
| 17:30.37 | calamous_ | and rev number? |
| 17:30.42 | niclone | how can i know it? |
| 17:31.03 | calamous_ | If you look on it. The side without the ICCID numebr there should be a 5 digit and 4 digit number |
| 17:31.18 | calamous_ | and perhaps a letter on the end of the 5 digit number |
| 17:31.52 | ScaredyCat | niclone: where are you now (physically) |
| 17:31.56 | ScaredyCat | are you in france? |
| 17:31.57 | niclone | ScaredyCat: france |
| 17:32.00 | ScaredyCat | ok.. |
| 17:32.02 | niclone | :) |
| 17:32.11 | ScaredyCat | just checking, french sim, in france... |
| 17:32.19 | niclone | yes :) |
| 17:32.21 | ScaredyCat | you never know, some roaming can be iffy |
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| 17:32.42 | ScaredyCat | do you have a good signal ? |
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| 17:32.52 | calamous_ | Also niclone: do a AT+CMEE=2 when you get back on. instad of saying error it will tell you waht the error is |
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| 17:33.11 | niclone | i'm at about 10 meters of the orange antenna :) |
| 17:33.21 | calamous_ | I hope its not an error 10 (sim not inserted) |
| 17:33.48 | niclone | calamous_: the number of the sim card: "3G DM, 5666 0056 4958, 0, W" |
| 17:34.05 | niclone | calamous_: i reboot the phone... |
| 17:34.37 | alech | on AT+COPS=?, I get +CME ERROR: 13, any ideas on why? |
| 17:34.52 | calamous_ | alech: what sim are you using |
| 17:34.57 | calamous_ | error 13=Sim error |
| 17:35.15 | alech | a german O2 SIM, a few years old |
| 17:35.21 | calamous_ | If you do a AT+CNUM what error do you get? |
| 17:35.26 | calamous_ | 10 or 13? |
| 17:35.38 | alech | just a sec |
| 17:35.40 | rxr | yes, I have the same with a germand, brand new O2 sim |
| 17:35.48 | rxr | a year old SIM of O2 Germany works |
| 17:35.53 | rxr | appears to be BUG #666 |
| 17:35.58 | rxr | TI firmware incompatible with some SIMs |
| 17:36.25 | calamous_ | TI firmware sucks apparently. I wonder when FIC will hear back from them |
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| 17:36.45 | SpeedEvil | Anyone happen to have an ipkg of xv, or anything else similar? |
| 17:37.25 | alech | calamous_: 10 |
| 17:37.32 | alech | calamous_: what does that mean? |
| 17:37.34 | calamous_ | Yep, my same error pattern |
| 17:37.38 | calamous_ | 10 means sim not inserted |
| 17:37.54 | calamous_ | How can the device say sim not inserted for some commands, but sim error for others? |
| 17:38.00 | niclone | AT+CMEE=2 --> OK |
| 17:38.06 | alech | ok, maybe I'll have to fiddle with it a bit more, I am not sure if I've inserted it correctly. |
| 17:38.11 | calamous_ | IMO, Either the GSM modem can read the sim or it can't |
| 17:38.29 | calamous_ | alech: Here, do this. take out the sim completely |
| 17:38.44 | calamous_ | run at+CNUM and AT+COPS=? and see if you got 10 and 13 again |
| 17:39.00 | niclone | AT+CFUN=1 ---> +CME ERROR: SIM wrong (this is the first time, i didn't have this before !) |
| 17:39.06 | calamous_ | I'm wondering if it will say sim error if sim not inserted |
| 17:39.10 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - I'm waiting for mokomakefile to switch to 2007.2. Then I'll probably continue building packages. ;-) |
| 17:39.17 | calamous_ | nicone: Yes |
| 17:39.27 | calamous_ | nicone: AT+CMEE=2 gives you a description of the error |
| 17:39.34 | calamous_ | AT+CMEE=1 gives you error nomuber |
| 17:39.42 | calamous_ | AT+CMEE=0 says ERROR (not very helpful) |
| 17:39.44 | niclone | ahhh |
| 17:39.53 | niclone | cool :) |
| 17:40.08 | niclone | but whel, why it say that my sim card is wrong? :/ |
| 17:40.18 | calamous_ | niclone: if you have time, could you take out your sim and do the same commands again |
| 17:40.40 | calamous_ | Because if your phone says wrong sim or sim error when there is no sim installed something is wacko |
| 17:40.46 | niclone | calamous_: ok, i'm going to try this |
| 17:40.47 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Does anyone know how to record from the mic? |
| 17:40.57 | HistoryOnTheRoad | (and how do you change the volume?) |
| 17:41.06 | calamous_ | My dumbass at&t sim gives me error 10 for CNUM but error 13 for COPS |
| 17:41.26 | calamous_ | I hope FIC replaces the goddamn GSM modem with a working one |
| 17:41.44 | rxr | I hope FIC and TI come up with a firmware update for the currently one shipped one |
| 17:41.51 | calamous_ | rxr: what if they can't |
| 17:41.59 | calamous_ | What if they actually need a new GSM chip? |
| 17:42.03 | alech | calamous_: without a SIM, I get 10 and 3 |
| 17:42.04 | rxr | then we'll all brought quite crappy hardware .-) |
| 17:42.12 | calamous_ | altech? error 3 or 13? |
| 17:42.17 | rxr | calamous_: at least my slightly older SIM works ... |
| 17:42.18 | alech | (Operation not allowed) - ? |
| 17:42.26 | alech | calamous_: 3, no typo |
| 17:42.35 | calamous_ | Hmm, atleast it knows when I sim is installed |
| 17:42.48 | calamous_ | rxr: my older sims work too, but they are deactivated |
| 17:42.52 | HistoryOnTheRoad | i think they'll figure out the 3G SIM issue |
| 17:42.53 | rxr | calamous_: my hope is that the TI chip is used so often, that they know how to fix this |
| 17:43.19 | rxr | calamous_: well - I just got a 2nd SIM just for the Moko testing, so I have two activated ones, where just the 2006 SIM works |
| 17:43.21 | calamous_ | rxr: me too. but I will be very upset/disiponited if the chip needs to be replaced, then we have p1 bricks |
| 17:43.27 | alech | ok, I'll try the E-Plus one next |
| 17:43.32 | rxr | calamous_: ACK |
| 17:43.39 | rxr | calamous_: though we all knew this is alpha hardware ... |
| 17:43.46 | calamous_ | my local AT&T store is nice, they gave me a bunch of sims to try and none of them work |
| 17:43.53 | rxr | calamous_: but I have hopes that TI chiops enough of those chips to know how to fix it |
| 17:43.57 | anrp | i'm sure it works very well in china though D: |
| 17:43.59 | rxr | calamous_: nice |
| 17:44.01 | calamous_ | rxr: I can deal with alpha software |
| 17:44.15 | rxr | calamous_: I phoned with O2 data-tech support for like 2h today |
| 17:44.20 | calamous_ | But i'm sorta dumbfounded about the sims |
| 17:44.40 | rxr | calamous_: also where kinda nice and looked up and checked all sorts of details in their system |
| 17:44.50 | rxr | and also looked up charge numbers of the SIMs etc. ... |
| 17:44.52 | calamous_ | anyway guys, I have a meeting 30 mins away in 15 mins so I got to run |
| 17:44.54 | calamous_ | yeah |
| 17:45.12 | rxr | they where quite stunned as both of my SIMs are UMTS/3G SIMs ... |
| 17:45.17 | rxr | calamous_: cu |
| 17:45.38 | anrp | cu is old school, use minicom |
| 17:45.41 | anrp | ... >_> |
| 17:45.42 | Vegar | rxr: have you put your information in the bugzilla/wiki? |
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| 17:47.12 | rxr | Vegar: nope, as I did not yet found out where the vendor ID of the SIM is to be found |
| 17:47.20 | rxr | Vegar: it is not in the 20 digit UUID thing, is it ? |
| 17:47.28 | Vegar | no idea |
| 17:47.47 | rxr | Vegar: if I would have the vendor IDs of my SIM I would have added it ... |
| 17:48.01 | rxr | unfortunatly the guru who created the wiki entry did not told us that info :-) |
| 17:48.37 | alech | hmmm, 10/3 with the e-plus one, too (as if it is not inserted), but this is a 3G one. |
| 17:49.33 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Is there a table on the wiki of which SIMs work? |
| 17:49.37 | ruoso | seeya |
| 17:49.49 | rxr | HistoryOnTheRoad: a little |
| 17:50.07 | rxr | HistoryOnTheRoad: but I think rule of tumb, SIMs manufactored in 2007 do not work :-( |
| 17:50.19 | HistoryOnTheRoad | That device owners list would be helpful about now :P |
| 17:50.29 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Hmmm, interesting. |
| 17:51.14 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Rogers and Fido SIMs appear to work, although I haven't managed to make a successful call with Rogers yet. |
| 17:51.56 | drath | uhm, anyone know if this is going to change? e.g. with gta02? |
| 17:52.00 | orospakr | I have a two year old Rogers SIM. I should be good, I hope. |
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| 18:00.46 | HistoryOnTheRoad | drath: What's going to change? |
| 18:01.11 | HistoryOnTheRoad | orospakr: Rogers SIMs work fine, they register. I just can't make a call :S |
| 18:01.17 | drath | HistoryOnTheRoad: the problem with newer sim cards? |
| 18:01.34 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I think it's mostly 3G, but don't quote me. |
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| 18:01.47 | HistoryOnTheRoad | My guess is it's a firmware issue. |
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| 18:02.12 | alech | hey, first call :-) guess it was just a physical connection problem, seems to work with the german O2 one, now. |
| 18:02.25 | HistoryOnTheRoad | TI isn't making these readers just for FIC, and if it's a problem on the Neo it would be a problem elsewhere too. |
| 18:02.56 | niclone | calamous_: ok, without any sim card, I have: "+CME ERROR: SIM not inserted" |
| 18:03.39 | SpeedEvil | Anyone happen to have an ipkg of xv, or anything else similar? |
| 18:06.29 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I guess there is just no way to record from the mic? |
| 18:07.00 | SpeedEvil | There is. |
| 18:07.10 | SpeedEvil | How you set it up is the fun question. |
| 18:09.10 | mickey|ICE1093 | most of the times, it's the mechanical quality of the combo slot |
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| 18:12.54 | HistoryOnTheRoad | SpeedEvil: Well, so far no hints. The only way I can imagine now is drawing a picture of the waveform of the sound and then playing it out the speakers ;P |
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| 18:14.21 | SpeedEvil | cat /dev/dsp does sample the ADC |
| 18:14.44 | SpeedEvil | It's then 'simply' a case of setting the mixer controls so that the sound is routed from the mic to the adc |
| 18:15.02 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Ah, the plot thickens :) |
| 18:15.41 | SpeedEvil | See the nice simple explanatory block diagram in the middle of http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem for guidance. |
| 18:17.25 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I guess there is no magical software incantation I can recite to get this to happen? |
| 18:17.49 | HistoryOnTheRoad | alsacontrol -beg attach_mic_to_adc_please |
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| 18:18.33 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 18:18.36 | HistoryOnTheRoad | SpeedEvil: So far, this is the closest that i've gotten to getting a hint, so thanks mondo for that. |
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| 18:19.10 | HistoryOnTheRoad | "mixer" is a hardware piece, i'm guessing? |
| 18:19.27 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Is there a driver for it, or do I have to write that too? :P |
| 18:21.28 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I've never written a driver from specsheets, but I'm willing to try if it'll help things along. |
| 18:21.37 | CM | How do I run nand erase? |
| 18:21.47 | cjb | from uboot? |
| 18:21.52 | SpeedEvil | In principle. You need to find which mic input the mic is connected to, setup the input gain and mic selector appropriately,setup the ALC mixer right, then set it up to route to the left or right ADC |
| 18:21.54 | CM | I've connected with minicom |
| 18:21.58 | SpeedEvil | alsactl can do it |
| 18:22.05 | CM | But all I get is this Ctrl-A thing |
| 18:22.07 | SpeedEvil | CM, look at the Bootloader page on the wiki |
| 18:22.20 | CM | SpeedEvil: I am |
| 18:22.43 | SpeedEvil | search on nand erase then |
| 18:23.25 | SpeedEvil | It's actually in Flashing Openmoko |
| 18:23.39 | CM | It's in both |
| 18:23.46 | CM | But my problem is how to get to that prompt |
| 18:23.52 | CM | I mean where I can type something |
| 18:23.53 | HistoryOnTheRoad | SpeedEvil: Wow, that's a great help. Is the alsacontrol manpage good, or should I google for info on it? |
| 18:23.59 | SpeedEvil | cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 18:24.00 | SpeedEvil | GTA01Bv3 # nand erase rootfs |
| 18:24.04 | SpeedEvil | the problem is. |
| 18:24.26 | CM | SpeedEvil: I don't have a cu command |
| 18:24.27 | SpeedEvil | HistoryOnTheRoad: alsamixer exposes the individual mixers on the chip |
| 18:24.35 | CM | And I don't know where to find it |
| 18:24.37 | SpeedEvil | it does not have a graphical setup. |
| 18:24.50 | CM | I do have minicom installed, but can't find any program called cu |
| 18:24.51 | SpeedEvil | minicom will work - you may need to turn flow control off, I'm unsure. |
| 18:25.04 | SpeedEvil | and set it to use /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 18:25.06 | CM | Ok, what program is cu? picocom? |
| 18:25.19 | SpeedEvil | no - it's _much_ _much_ older than that. |
| 18:25.19 | CM | Or what is the name of the cu program? Just cu? |
| 18:25.38 | CM | Ok, guess that's why I can't find it |
| 18:25.44 | SpeedEvil | yes - just cu |
| 18:25.47 | CM | (In gentoo that is) |
| 18:26.12 | SpeedEvil | it may be in a package called uucp |
| 18:26.40 | CM | Hmm.. Wasn't it |
| 18:26.46 | CM | I'll look more and see if I can find it |
| 18:26.59 | CM | Does cu have any homepage or so? |
| 18:27.14 | SpeedEvil | no. It was written before the web. |
| 18:27.31 | SpeedEvil | You can use minicom. |
| 18:27.43 | CM | I'll try to find out how |
| 18:27.47 | CM | Should be in the wiki.. |
| 18:27.47 | SpeedEvil | You've just got to set it up appropriately. |
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| 18:27.53 | SpeedEvil | I don't think itis. |
| 18:29.05 | HistoryOnTheRoad | SpeedEvil: There was nothing before the web. And Al Gore invented it. :P |
| 18:29.24 | HistoryOnTheRoad | minicom rocks, and cu is cool |
| 18:29.31 | orospakr | HistoryOnTheRoad: I don't have my Neo yet, so I haven't tested mine yet. |
| 18:29.42 | CM | HistoryOnTheRoad: Any hint on how to connect to the Neo with minicom? |
| 18:30.01 | HistoryOnTheRoad | orospakr: Where abouts are you? |
| 18:30.36 | orospakr | HistoryOnTheRoad: Ottawa. |
| 18:30.52 | HistoryOnTheRoad | CM: Connecting from a PC to the Neo? |
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| 18:31.14 | HistoryOnTheRoad | orospakr: Cool ... are you on the wiki as a Canadian user? |
| 18:31.18 | CM | HistoryOnTheRoad: Yes, exactly. |
| 18:31.26 | CM | I want to be able to type nand erase into it |
| 18:31.34 | CM | My neo doesn't boot any more |
| 18:32.25 | HistoryOnTheRoad | CM: I've never done it yet, but minicom is fairly well built and it shouldn't be hard to do. I've so far only used minicom over old=school DB9/DB25 type connections, not a USB cable. |
| 18:32.38 | CM | I just found "minicom -s" |
| 18:32.43 | CM | Set the serial to ttyACM0 |
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| 18:32.55 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Doesn't boot, or doesn't get to uBoot? |
| 18:33.23 | CM | It get's to uboot |
| 18:33.37 | HistoryOnTheRoad | The wiki should list where the Advanced kits are, so people know where they can go to get unbricked :P |
| 18:33.39 | CM | And minicom can connect.. |
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| 18:33.56 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Dumb suggestion -- reflash? |
| 18:34.08 | CM | But I don't get any prompt back from minicom, just a Press CTRL-A Z for help on special keys |
| 18:34.12 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Or do you have to NAND erase before you reflash? |
| 18:34.20 | HistoryOnTheRoad | (I've only flashed once so far) |
| 18:34.30 | CM | HistoryOnTheRoad: Yes, if the new image is smaler |
| 18:34.48 | CM | I have a "wrong magic number" or something and it won't boot |
| 18:34.57 | HistoryOnTheRoad | CM: did you set uBoot to talk to the port you are connecting on? |
| 18:35.07 | CM | How do I do that? |
| 18:35.11 | HistoryOnTheRoad | AUX-power and then choose the right option |
| 18:35.19 | daMaestro | HistoryOnTheRoad, even after updating, git is failing to build because of an incorrect @INC and a missing perl dep |
| 18:35.22 | CM | I only have 2 options in my uboot |
| 18:35.29 | CM | boot and factory reset |
| 18:35.31 | CM | :( |
| 18:35.38 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Magic is important. Make sure you don't let the magic smoke out. :P |
| 18:36.05 | CM | And I haven't dared to try factory reset yet, no one seem to know what that does |
| 18:36.11 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Did you flash your device? I have a few more options then that. |
| 18:36.28 | CM | I flashed it with the latest uboot on mickeyl's suggestion |
| 18:36.29 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I mean a new uBoot image |
| 18:36.33 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ah |
| 18:36.37 | CM | Also with the latest root and kernel |
| 18:36.49 | CM | It booted once, but then had an unclean shutdown |
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| 18:37.03 | CM | And after that i got that wrong magic number thing. :( |
| 18:37.12 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Well, an unclean shutdown shouldn't (normally) wedge you that bad. |
| 18:37.26 | CM | I know |
| 18:37.48 | CM | Oh well.. I'll look at it again later. Thanks anyway |
| 18:37.58 | HistoryOnTheRoad | daMaestro: Hmmm. did you check the bugtracker to see if anyone has reported any issue with that buildset? |
| 18:38.18 | HistoryOnTheRoad | CM: Sorry I couldn't be more helpful :S |
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| 18:44.44 | SpeedEvil | np: Blind Melon - Three is the magic number. |
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| 18:45.53 | mickey|ICE1093 | sigh |
| 18:46.14 | mickey|ICE1093 | ice1093 is going to be late tonite... "person injury on the track" |
| 18:46.19 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 18:47.38 | orospakr | HistoryOnTheRoad: yup |
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| 19:03.21 | HistoryOnTheRoad | orospakr: If you come to TO, or i come up there, we'll have to have a Mokoparty :) |
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| 19:16.43 | Kero | not TO |
| 19:16.48 | Kero | anyone in Washington DC next week? |
| 19:17.09 | jipi | i dun seem able to get to talk to the ftdi chip on the debug board. |
| 19:17.19 | jipi | what am i missing? |
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| 19:18.00 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Kero: I'm sure some members of Congress, and maybe the president. :P |
| 19:18.33 | Kero | Does the president have a Neo? |
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| 19:28.51 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Kero: If he did, would he have a clue what it was? :P |
| 19:31.17 | drath | jipi: what's the problem? |
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| 19:37.42 | jipi | drath: openocd doesn;'t seem to talk to the ftdi chip |
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| 19:43.06 | orospakr | HistoryOnTheRoad: there's at least one other guy here in Ottawa who has his Moko :) |
| 19:43.37 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Is he on Rogers or Fido? :P |
| 19:43.46 | jipi | ok i'm determined to find out the problem. |
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| 19:44.25 | drath | jipi: you're on linux? |
| 19:44.30 | ckuethe | i was able to get a call from a moko on fido last night |
| 19:44.35 | jipi | drath: yes |
| 19:44.44 | jipi | drath: debian sid |
| 19:44.44 | ckuethe | i didn't try my rogers sim |
| 19:44.51 | drath | jipi: does the device get recognized? |
| 19:44.54 | drath | e.g. lsusb? |
| 19:44.55 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ckuethe: Me too :D (no sound though) |
| 19:45.02 | jipi | drath: yes. |
| 19:45.28 | jipi | drath: it then sets up ttyUSB0,ttyUSB1 when i plug them in |
| 19:45.43 | jipi | drath: plugit in i meant |
| 19:46.29 | calamous_ | I'm back from my meeting. Has TI/FIC released a firmware upgrade for the GSM modem while I was gone? |
| 19:46.36 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 19:46.49 | drath | you could remove ftdi_sio to be safe |
| 19:46.57 | mwester | Total silence, in fact -- the mail server is dead too :) |
| 19:46.57 | SpeedEvil | Also - as of current information - TI won't let FIC release the flashing tooll. |
| 19:46.58 | khaije1 | do i correctly understand that not all gsm carriers work well w/ the gta01? |
| 19:47.19 | SpeedEvil | khaij: there is a miniority of people with problems. |
| 19:47.31 | jipi | drath: remove it (ftdi_sio module)? does it need to be there for openocd to talk to it? |
| 19:47.43 | mwester | er, minority in the international sense... |
| 19:47.47 | drath | no, openocd talks directly via /proc/bus/usb to the FT2232 |
| 19:48.01 | drath | using either libftdi or ftdi's own ftd2xx library |
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| 19:48.28 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: That is obserd. |
| 19:48.29 | drath | have you set up appropriate rights for the /proc/bus/usb device entry? |
| 19:48.41 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: Do you know if the AGPS drivers well be able to be released too? |
| 19:48.52 | khaije1 | SpeedEvil: so it's carrier agnostic, at least in general? |
| 19:49.06 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 19:49.10 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: I feel that FIC should have selected better hardware venders for the "open" phone |
| 19:49.19 | khaije1 | cool thx |
| 19:49.32 | SpeedEvil | calamous_: they are going to releas teh GPS drivers 'soon' |
| 19:49.36 | calamous_ | Ones that support the project. |
| 19:49.38 | jipi | drath: i've read it i think more than 10 times. but it doesn;t seem to give me much clue |
| 19:49.41 | SpeedEvil | See the 'GPS' page on the wiki |
| 19:49.45 | SpeedEvil | for a link |
| 19:49.51 | LarstiQ | calamous_: if you know of such vendors, please do tell. |
| 19:49.54 | drath | ok, what happens when you launch the OpenOCD? |
| 19:50.17 | calamous_ | So if I get the T.I.'s precious flashing tool, am I going to rip their chip off and make lots of money and put them out of buisiness, or flash my GSM modem so it works? |
| 19:50.37 | SpeedEvil | calamous_: GSM chipset vendors are quite few. |
| 19:50.42 | ckuethe | calamous_: as i understand it, openmoko "inherited" the neo1973 design... it wasn't designed for them originally |
| 19:50.43 | SpeedEvil | There are not really many. |
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| 19:51.01 | calamous_ | So how do other phones get flashed when they need to? |
| 19:51.11 | SpeedEvil | Send in to vendor in many cases. |
| 19:51.19 | ckuethe | calamous_: as i understand it, the problem with gsm is that because it affects the telephone system, it has to be done by the vendor or the carrier, not by end users... legal crap |
| 19:51.52 | mwester | Take your Motorola RAZR to fred's cell phone sales on the corner, and he'll reflash it... |
| 19:51.59 | Writchie | For many years TI has been the top supplier of chips to the mobile space to the tune of $4 billion /year |
| 19:52.18 | mwester | Of course, fred had to sign his life away to get the device/software to do the flashing... |
| 19:52.19 | ckuethe | is that a re-flash of the GSM engine too, or just the fluffy UI on top, though? |
| 19:52.34 | calamous_ | ckuethe: That may be true, but its wrong. I.E. Back in the day when my computer had a modem it was connected to the telephone lines, Did I have to have at&t come out each time I installed a piece of saftware |
| 19:52.44 | ckuethe | they sure wanted to. |
| 19:52.53 | ckuethe | carterphone, bla bla bla |
| 19:53.22 | ckuethe | i'm sure they wished they could regulate what modems were allowed |
| 19:53.27 | ckuethe | and sell only thiers |
| 19:53.29 | calamous_ | My computer is hooked up to the electric network, does commonwealth edison need to come out when I do a bios upgrade? |
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| 19:53.42 | ckuethe | that's the logic behind carterphone |
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| 19:53.55 | ckuethe | design standard interfaces and test for conformance |
| 19:54.11 | ckuethe | then any conformant implementation can play |
| 19:54.39 | calamous_ | I don't like America any more |
| 19:54.44 | ckuethe | con-ed doesn't need to come out, but UL (or whoever) certifies that your power supply isn't a danger to whoever. it becomes type-approved |
| 19:54.49 | calamous_ | Do they have this nonsence in western europe? |
| 19:55.12 | ckuethe | to some extent |
| 19:55.24 | jipi | drath: like setting what? udev rules? Error: ft2232.c:1433 ft2232_init_libftdi(): unable to open ftdi device: device not found |
| 19:55.25 | calamous_ | I have no problem with underwriters labs, but some stuff is just ridiculous |
| 19:55.34 | drath | jipi: yeah, the udev rule |
| 19:55.42 | ckuethe | we just don't have UL for radio stuff yet |
| 19:55.49 | calamous_ | the FCC? |
| 19:55.54 | calamous_ | my device is FCC approved |
| 19:55.54 | drath | jipi: when you look at the debug board with lsusb, does it have the correct vid/pid? |
| 19:55.55 | ckuethe | nope |
| 19:56.08 | ckuethe | the fcc (and crtc) have their heads up their asses |
| 19:56.08 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
| 19:56.10 | calamous_ | ckuethe: where do you like? |
| 19:56.14 | calamous_ | live* |
| 19:56.16 | jipi | drath: i put the recommended udev rule in /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
| 19:56.20 | Writchie | calamous_: i don't know what makes you think UL does not apply to US. |
| 19:56.20 | ckuethe | stop the earth. i wanna get off... |
| 19:56.22 | ckuethe | canada |
| 19:56.44 | calamous_ | writchie: what do you mean? |
| 19:56.45 | jipi | drath: Bus 004 Device 100: ID 1457:5118 is this correct? |
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| 19:57.09 | Writchie | any device with li-ion battery has regulations that it must comply with |
| 19:57.21 | calamous_ | sure. thats a good thing |
| 19:57.27 | drath | jipi: yeah, that's the right one |
| 19:57.47 | ckuethe | at this point though, there closest we have to UL type approvals for radio is FCC approvals, but those are contingent on a whole lot of other things |
| 19:57.52 | Writchie | generally, these all relate to safety not function. |
| 19:57.59 | jipi | draft: my neo is also powered up. and there are 3 leds altogether that is lit up. |
| 19:58.00 | ckuethe | the problem with radio is that it's so much easier to mess with other users |
| 19:58.06 | calamous_ | I am a fan of safty regulation |
| 19:58.16 | Writchie | there is GSM type approval on the radio stack |
| 19:58.19 | ckuethe | if you screw up your home electricals, there are fuses and stuff all the way up the chain |
| 19:58.49 | drath | jipi: your problem isn't related to the neo |
| 19:58.52 | Writchie | compliance with the application safety specifications, most of which are more stringent in europe |
| 19:58.55 | jipi | drath: i connected the fpc from the debug board to neo, the upstreamusb to pc and a downstream usb to neo |
| 19:58.59 | ckuethe | i'm trying to think of some in-home device that, if you mess with it, you put everybody 3 blocks around at risk |
| 19:59.04 | drath | jipi: which version of the OpenOCD do you use? |
| 19:59.12 | Writchie | FCC compliance regarding intentional and unintentional radiators |
| 19:59.16 | Writchie | etc, etc, etc. |
| 19:59.29 | SpeedEvil | ckuethe: potentially gas appliances. |
| 19:59.30 | ckuethe | also, i think that FCC (and other international regulators) are just out of touch with reality |
| 19:59.45 | SpeedEvil | Not really IMO. |
| 19:59.45 | ckuethe | they're like 20yrs behind the curve |
| 19:59.54 | ckuethe | i don |
| 19:59.59 | SpeedEvil | GSM works so well solely because other users shut up when they should. |
| 20:00.03 | calamous_ | ckuethe: I know something that can put everyone in a 3block radius at risk |
| 20:00.11 | ckuethe | 't see a lot of aggressive test/certification programs for new technologies |
| 20:00.11 | calamous_ | ckuethe: alcohol and a car |
| 20:00.14 | SpeedEvil | If the band was not well controlled, range would plummet. |
| 20:00.21 | ckuethe | ype |
| 20:00.23 | ckuethe | yep |
| 20:00.40 | ckuethe | which is why we can't let people all the way to the firmware |
| 20:00.56 | ckuethe | there is no fuse box / demarc point for a cell phone |
| 20:01.08 | ckuethe | at least not a nice place where you only wreck your service |
| 20:01.11 | Writchie | if the firmware was open, no -ones handsets would work |
| 20:01.13 | jipi | drath: i tried out various versions. i think the one running on my host is 0.0+r188-1 according to debian's package versioning |
| 20:01.30 | ckuethe | Writchie: it might... but we'd have a long time of crappy service before we converged |
| 20:01.39 | ckuethe | but it would be a very fragile system |
| 20:01.45 | ckuethe | it's still fragile |
| 20:01.46 | jipi | drath: i also tried out the versions specified in the wikis. compiled them. i also tried out different versions of libftdi |
| 20:01.48 | ckuethe | but has some legal armor |
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| 20:02.24 | calamous_ | Do anyone of you know any good books on the theories of computation? |
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| 20:02.40 | Writchie | anyone who ever looked at the GSM radio specs could only conclude that great care and testing is required to insure that everything will work. |
| 20:03.48 | calamous_ | ckuethe: How come people can do their own 802.11 things but not with GSM |
| 20:03.59 | Writchie | because 802.11 is the junk band |
| 20:04.02 | ckuethe | 802.11 is in the unregulated ISM band |
| 20:04.04 | calamous_ | Are there less laws regulating it |
| 20:04.07 | ckuethe | well, lightly regulated |
| 20:04.17 | jipi | drath: and i'm apparently looking at the code for both openocd and libftdi. it seemed to hit a wall at ftdi_usb_open_desc |
| 20:04.22 | Writchie | maximum power |
| 20:04.23 | ckuethe | basically it's legally-defined free-for-all |
| 20:04.57 | calamous_ | Hmm. I like this question and answer session |
| 20:05.03 | calamous_ | Why does AM radio have such a large band? |
| 20:05.05 | ckuethe | within this band... go hard. you're competing with microwave ovens already, so who cares about noise in your mp3 or slow pr0n |
| 20:05.14 | Writchie | it was once the whole spectrum |
| 20:05.32 | ckuethe | spectrum isn't really infinit |
| 20:05.34 | ckuethe | e |
| 20:05.35 | calamous_ | Is the AM radio "protocol" not very efficient? |
| 20:05.45 | ckuethe | some frequencies are easier to transmit/receive on |
| 20:06.11 | calamous_ | yeah |
| 20:06.37 | ckuethe | really low frequency stuff requires antennas hundreds of meters long |
| 20:06.47 | calamous_ | The FM band is smaller and it seems to have much more channels that the AM |
| 20:06.52 | ckuethe | some things take advantage of ionospheric effects |
| 20:07.05 | ckuethe | some coding/modulation techniques are more efficient |
| 20:07.23 | ckuethe | also, higher frequency carriers can carry more information |
| 20:07.37 | calamous_ | ohh ok |
| 20:07.37 | SpeedEvil | The really, really low frequency stuff is tens of kilometers long. |
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| 20:07.39 | ckuethe | lots of good reading on wikipedia about this, byw |
| 20:07.53 | Writchie | makes the worms come out of the ground |
| 20:07.58 | mwester | FM band is MUCH larger than the AM band |
| 20:08.17 | Writchie | 20 mhz vs 1 mhz |
| 20:08.33 | ckuethe | that too. :) |
| 20:08.44 | ckuethe | and yet it's totally congested |
| 20:08.53 | mwester | And a TV channel alone is about 5MHz in width -- for a single channel. |
| 20:09.04 | Writchie | 6 actually in US |
| 20:09.27 | Writchie | including the gaps everyone is trying to grab |
| 20:09.28 | ckuethe | and it's all the same shit on the radio... |
| 20:09.51 | ckuethe | or maybe it just sounds the same to my bitter and jaded ears |
| 20:10.31 | mwester | In the end, from a spectrum usage efficiency standpoint, the world would do MUCH better if we could throw out all our existing comms gear, and re-allocate the spectrum based on today's technology and today's needs... |
| 20:10.45 | mwester | Backwards compatability bites us again... |
| 20:10.57 | ckuethe | why not... "reboot and reinstall" works for windows. ;) |
| 20:11.29 | mwester | Look at how long it's taken the USA to free up so much wasted TV bandwidth by forcing the obsolesence of the old analog TV signals... |
| 20:11.50 | drath | jipi: did you add the "ft2232_device_desc" line to your .cfg? |
| 20:12.22 | ckuethe | kill off television. it'll make people 20 iq points smarter in about 3 weeks. |
| 20:12.32 | jipi | drath, this line? -> ft2232_device_desc "Debug Board for Neo1973 A |
| 20:12.32 | ckuethe | i'm so glad i cancelled cable |
| 20:12.39 | calamous_ | I would love to trash all the current radios and reallociate using new tech and encoding |
| 20:12.45 | jipi | drath: if yes.. i added. |
| 20:12.48 | ckuethe | so much more time for cool code hacking |
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| 20:12.58 | jipi | drath:is the order important? |
| 20:13.09 | drath | jipi: mostly not |
| 20:13.41 | drath | jipi: only when something is referenced somewhere else, like a "flash bank" that belongs to a "target" |
| 20:14.12 | drath | jipi: is the debug board listed by this name? |
| 20:14.19 | drath | jipi: i.e. when you run lsusb -v? |
| 20:14.47 | drath | jipi: the iProduct field |
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| 20:15.27 | drath | hum, iirc libftdi doesn't like the " A" |
| 20:15.37 | drath | this is something used on Windows with FTD2XX |
| 20:18.17 | jipi | drath: i think you might hit it |
| 20:19.20 | jipi | drath: mine was "Debug Board for Neo1973" for the iProduct instead of "Debug Board for Neo1973 A" |
| 20:19.43 | drath | yeah, that's normal - the "A" is FTD2XX's way of telling whether you talk to channel A or B |
| 20:20.39 | jipi | drath: thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:21.13 | jipi | drath: i guess this must be documented to make sure others won't hit the wall again. |
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| 20:22.09 | drath | jipi: I have no idea who put the "... A" in the wiki - would be great if you could make that clear |
| 20:22.56 | drath | ah, that was a recent addition by TheShonkoKid |
| 20:23.37 | jipi | drath: ok. i will do it. a quick check, as i still could not find any pinouts for the thru holes on the debug board. is there any chance the jtag lines of the neo are pulled out? |
| 20:24.41 | drath | well, basically yes, but it's the other way round - you use the debug board to work with a different target |
| 20:24.59 | drath | the lines will still be driven by the debug board, i guess |
| 20:27.30 | jipi | drath: i understand that. |
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| 20:28.24 | drath | anyway, people should use the OpenOCD and not some other (non-free) JTAG utility ;) |
| 20:28.35 | jcazor | hi |
| 20:29.07 | jipi | drath: hmmm. ok i shall leave it as that. |
| 20:29.57 | jcazor | oh my god, the neo1973 doesnt power on, i dont know why, the battery is charged, and i powered on this morning, but now it doesnt... please can anybody help me? |
| 20:30.20 | jipi | jcazor: just leave it in the usb port for 30 minutes. |
| 20:30.28 | daMaestro | jcazor, take the battery out... wait 10 seconds; put the battery back in and plug into usb |
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| 20:30.35 | jipi | jcazor: i went thru this scare as well. |
| 20:30.40 | daMaestro | if there is any juice at all, the logo should show up |
| 20:30.44 | daMaestro | yeah, i did also |
| 20:30.54 | jcazor | oh thanx i hope it works |
| 20:30.54 | daMaestro | i thought i fsked up my device with a wall charger |
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| 20:31.59 | jipi | in case you guys cannot properly charge, you can get a bl-5c nokia battery which will work as well. its in the wiki too. |
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| 20:37.15 | rushforth | tis lonely with a borked mailing list |
| 20:37.20 | doc|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iUgSwX8xzo&eurl= |
| 20:37.27 | rushforth | strange how its still working fine in teh archives.. |
| 20:38.45 | HistoryOnTheRoad | sure, the mail server isn't sending mail though :P |
| 20:39.10 | doc|work | anyone know the relased date of th gta02? |
| 20:39.19 | ckuethe | "when it's ready" |
| 20:39.22 | HistoryOnTheRoad | yup. |
| 20:39.27 | ckuethe | "after gta01 is fixed" |
| 20:39.32 | ckuethe | "when there are no more bugs" |
| 20:39.45 | HistoryOnTheRoad | doc|work: Did I ask you where abouts you lived yesterday? |
| 20:39.45 | El_Salvador | x october 2007 |
| 20:39.47 | El_Salvador | :P |
| 20:39.50 | LarstiQ | probably not in october |
| 20:39.51 | El_Salvador | or november |
| 20:39.59 | El_Salvador | or 2999 |
| 20:40.00 | doc|work | El_Salvador: it was the X I was wondering about :/ |
| 20:40.02 | El_Salvador | :P |
| 20:40.06 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ckuethe: no more bugs ... they've cancelled 02 then? :P |
| 20:40.08 | ckuethe | and i'm not being an ass.... gta01 doesn't exactly work yet. let's get one working phone before we try for some more |
| 20:40.25 | doc|work | of course, releasing a crappy phone would do more bad than good |
| 20:40.35 | doc|work | but still. I want one yesterday :) |
| 20:40.51 | El_Salvador | <LarstiQ> probably not in october |
| 20:40.52 | El_Salvador | why? |
| 20:40.54 | ckuethe | the register did a little write up on greenphone... they mentioned openmoko in it |
| 20:40.59 | doc|work | HistoryOnTheRoad: if you did I didn't see it. I'm in vancouver. You? |
| 20:41.10 | HistoryOnTheRoad | doc|work: Toronto here |
| 20:41.12 | ckuethe | El_Salvador: because everything else has been late so far |
| 20:41.18 | doc|work | HistoryOnTheRoad: thought as much :) |
| 20:41.26 | doc|work | HistoryOnTheRoad: seen this? http://onlinux.ca/speakers |
| 20:41.37 | ckuethe | they/we are all still learning about the process of building and shipping linux phones |
| 20:41.41 | LarstiQ | El_Salvador: everything ckuethe just said |
| 20:41.57 | ckuethe | yes, ian was over at my place last night |
| 20:42.02 | El_Salvador | sad news |
| 20:42.06 | ckuethe | we were doing some openmoko/openbsd stuff. |
| 20:42.07 | LarstiQ | mwah |
| 20:42.52 | HistoryOnTheRoad | doc|work:Ian Darwin - OpenMoko: Free your phone and your mind will follow", you mean? " |
| 20:43.19 | ckuethe | still not sure when my neo is arriving. |
| 20:43.26 | ckuethe | but i didn't put any urgency into the order |
| 20:43.26 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ckuethe: I think they are learning about building and shipping stuff, period :P |
| 20:43.52 | ckuethe | maybe i missed the 2nd batch |
| 20:44.13 | mwester | What # are you ckuethe |
| 20:44.15 | ckuethe | but maybe that means i get GTA01v4++ |
| 20:44.21 | HistoryOnTheRoad | lol |
| 20:44.22 | mwester | heh! |
| 20:44.25 | HistoryOnTheRoad | probably not ;p |
| 20:44.26 | ckuethe | some micro-rev'd hardware |
| 20:44.42 | mwester | I expect they'll ship me my P1 about 5 days before they start selling P2s |
| 20:44.42 | ckuethe | dunno... i put my number up on the wiki |
| 20:44.58 | ckuethe | i got someone else to pay for my P1 phone |
| 20:45.03 | ckuethe | R&D funding |
| 20:45.19 | ckuethe | i'll wait for P2 before i sink my own money into it |
| 20:45.31 | Jiten | will developer version of GTA2 be released if it looks like the mass market version is going to be delayed a lot? |
| 20:45.35 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ckuethe: "but if you take the crappy closed phone behind number 2, you'll only pay $1 and just have to be an indentured servant to pay off your "contract term"" :P |
| 20:45.49 | doc|work | Jiten: gta02 is the mass market version |
| 20:45.56 | mwester | It's coming out of my pocket. And the problem is that as time passes, there's less and less time to use it -- thus the value of the P1 to me is dropping over time. I will probably cancel if I don't get it before September. |
| 20:45.59 | ckuethe | HistoryOnTheRoad: no thanks, i already cancelled with telus |
| 20:46.08 | Jiten | doc|work: fine, rename it gta1v5 then :P |
| 20:46.27 | doc|work | Jiten: why's that? :) |
| 20:46.28 | Jiten | but with the hardware currently promised for gta2 |
| 20:46.53 | Jiten | because the hardware selection in gta2 is pretty much what would get me to buy it, developer version or not. |
| 20:47.01 | ckuethe | precisely |
| 20:47.26 | HistoryOnTheRoad | The next version (wifi) should be ready by September. The question is will FIC be ready to actually do a production run. |
| 20:47.27 | doc|work | Jiten: same |
| 20:47.44 | doc|work | Jiten: ah, I get you, so you're saying make another dev release before mass market? |
| 20:47.58 | Jiten | doc|work: yes |
| 20:48.20 | doc|work | provided I knew I wasn't going to be left with a brick of course |
| 20:48.44 | SpeedEvil | HistoryOnTheRoad: October is the supposed release date. |
| 20:48.52 | El_Salvador | another dev release? |
| 20:49.02 | Fatal | :D |
| 20:49.03 | El_Salvador | third? |
| 20:49.26 | HistoryOnTheRoad | SpeedEvil: October release ==> September Production |
| 20:50.10 | doc|work | think everything will be ironed out by then? |
| 20:50.15 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 20:50.29 | doc|work | indeed |
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| 20:50.42 | doc|work | seems like even the software is very much in flux |
| 20:50.45 | HistoryOnTheRoad | The wifi is a pretty amazing addition, but except for web browsing most stuff can be done on the current device. |
| 20:50.48 | ckuethe | i have no doubts about october. i am confident it will be late. |
| 20:50.55 | HistoryOnTheRoad | (Ok, no IRC idling @ Rogers rates :P) |
| 20:51.00 | doc|work | HistoryOnTheRoad: it's the wifi that makes me want it |
| 20:51.04 | doc|work | HistoryOnTheRoad: yeah :) |
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| 20:51.37 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I have 50,000 ideas for it. Only a few thousand of those need wifi :) |
| 20:52.01 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ckuethe: Depends on the priority. |
| 20:52.13 | Writchie | for many use cases you can use BT instead of WiFi |
| 20:52.17 | Jiten | for me, it's the accelerometers and wifi :) |
| 20:52.27 | SpeedEvil | what do you want the accels for? |
| 20:52.36 | HistoryOnTheRoad | If Sean or whoever is the hardware sheppard tells everyone to get stuffed until they get the prototype tested, we'll be in the zone. |
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| 20:53.07 | ckuethe | accels will be fun for an automotive data logger |
| 20:53.18 | SpeedEvil | They are very limited. |
| 20:53.23 | SpeedEvil | 7 bits/g |
| 20:53.30 | ckuethe | meh |
| 20:53.31 | El_Salvador | <Jiten> for me, it's the accelerometers and wifi :) |
| 20:53.33 | ckuethe | good enough |
| 20:53.37 | El_Salvador | for me wifi and faster processor |
| 20:53.38 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Well, that _could_ be done by GPS. |
| 20:53.38 | El_Salvador | :P |
| 20:53.46 | HistoryOnTheRoad | IF we had the friggen drive |
| 20:53.51 | HistoryOnTheRoad | driver even |
| 20:53.53 | ckuethe | i guess, if we get raw data, fast enough |
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| 20:54.15 | SpeedEvil | What are you thinking of doing with it? |
| 20:54.45 | Jiten | SpeedEvil: so, in practise what does that limitation mean? |
| 20:55.09 | ckuethe | +/- 1g in 256steps |
| 20:55.16 | SpeedEvil | Jiten: basically - even given known orientation, your speed gets 16cm/s more inaccurate per second. |
| 20:55.39 | ckuethe | 0x80 = -1g, 0 = 0g, 0x7f = 1g |
| 20:56.08 | Jiten | g is not earth's gravity, I hope |
| 20:56.09 | HistoryOnTheRoad | SpeedEvil: No clocking world's fastest car with that baby. :P |
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| 20:56.34 | SpeedEvil | Well - you're 70MPH out after 3 mins or so, which is bad :) |
| 20:56.56 | hozer | HistoryOnTheRoad: what car is that? ;) |
| 20:56.57 | ckuethe | indeed, but without R-compounds on, i don't really need to worry about breaking 1g |
| 20:57.09 | doc|work | "but officer, my phone said I was only doing 55" |
| 20:57.33 | HistoryOnTheRoad | hozer: I was thinking of taking the Neo with my to time trials @ the Nevada Salt Flats :P |
| 20:57.42 | SpeedEvil | GPS doesn't work badly for that. |
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| 20:57.59 | hozer | HistoryOnTheRoad: is there a team you're with? |
| 20:58.06 | Jiten | ckuethe: I was mostly interested in them for movement in the below one meter range. |
| 20:58.37 | HistoryOnTheRoad | hozer: lol ... naw, I was just kidding |
| 20:58.47 | Jiten | GPS is just fine for positioning |
| 20:58.52 | hozer | heh |
| 20:59.57 | Jiten | as in using accelerometers for detecting user moving his hand while holding neo. |
| 21:00.13 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: have they settled on which mems chip or this still up in the air? |
| 21:00.26 | xkr47 | glue neo to your heart and it will monitor your pulse by accelerometers ;) |
| 21:00.39 | hozer | Jiten: yeah.. that seems like it could be a killer UI |
| 21:00.41 | SpeedEvil | The one which was mentioned on the mailing list is the 7 bits/g one. |
| 21:01.02 | SpeedEvil | You basically can tell 'down' very accurately. |
| 21:01.05 | SpeedEvil | Little more. |
| 21:01.09 | hozer | SpeedEvil: how many G does it measure? |
| 21:01.13 | Writchie | arn't these normally plus or minus 2g 8 bits |
| 21:01.18 | SpeedEvil | Up to 2 IIRC |
| 21:01.27 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 21:01.33 | Jiten | what unit is that g? |
| 21:01.40 | xkr47 | should be +-9g :D |
| 21:01.48 | ckuethe | 1g = 9.81m/s^2 |
| 21:01.49 | xkr47 | jiten, 9.81m/s² |
| 21:01.51 | Writchie | no way - not very useful |
| 21:01.51 | SpeedEvil | The one in the Wii - for example does about +-3G and resolution to 1mg. |
| 21:01.52 | hozer | 1 g -> 9.8ms/ |
| 21:02.01 | SpeedEvil | which is about 16 times better. |
| 21:02.06 | SpeedEvil | resolution-wise. |
| 21:02.08 | mdt | someone around with libgsmd-knowledge? |
| 21:02.13 | xkr47 | SpeedEvil, heh then if you drop the moko it can measure the impact.. :) |
| 21:02.17 | ckuethe | yeah, my thinkpad has nice accelerometers |
| 21:02.32 | Jiten | those accelerometers don't sound useful for much then |
| 21:02.39 | Writchie | 2G is pretty normal for tilt sensing |
| 21:02.44 | Writchie | an games |
| 21:02.47 | HistoryOnTheRoad | mdt: Go ahead, someone may answer :P |
| 21:02.48 | SpeedEvil | Jiten: They give you 'down' to within around a degree. |
| 21:03.03 | SpeedEvil | They don't give you more. |
| 21:03.19 | Jiten | so you can only really measure the tilt? not movements? |
| 21:03.52 | mdt | i use libgsm (i deinstalled openmoko-gui) directly. after a lgsm_init (return value is non NULL) lgsm_phone_power coredumps the process... |
| 21:05.01 | HistoryOnTheRoad | mdt: Did you try libgsm-tool? |
| 21:05.12 | mdt | HistoryOnTheRoad, shure - works fine |
| 21:05.19 | mdt | i copied my source more or less from there... |
| 21:05.42 | HistoryOnTheRoad | And are you building a roll your own version, or are you using one of the publicly available ones? |
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| 21:06.04 | HistoryOnTheRoad | mdt: and doing things through -tool works fine? |
| 21:06.15 | El_Salvador | but neo1973's usb |
| 21:06.20 | mdt | HistoryOnTheRoad, i build my own via mokomakefile |
| 21:06.21 | El_Salvador | is pnpowered? |
| 21:06.26 | El_Salvador | *unpowered |
| 21:06.34 | mdt | HistoryOnTheRoad, -tool? |
| 21:07.13 | HistoryOnTheRoad | libgsm-tool |
| 21:07.49 | mdt | HistoryOnTheRoad, as i sayed: works wonderful (issued and answered calls already |
| 21:07.57 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I'm not an expert, but if it's coring, I'd expecting you stealing the pooty. |
| 21:08.09 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Or stepping on the stack somewhere. |
| 21:08.34 | Jiten | oh right, I misread that. looks like it'll be just fine for UI. |
| 21:08.38 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Are you running on real hardware, or in the emulator? |
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| 21:09.47 | mdt | HistoryOnTheRoad, on the real one... |
| 21:10.41 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ok. What language are you writing in? (C?) |
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| 21:12.46 | mdt | HistoryOnTheRoad, hm, gsmd seems to have ended... i restartet gsmd now it works :/ |
| 21:13.10 | Writchie | gsmd is known to crash if you look at it the wrong way |
| 21:13.17 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Don't expect daemons and stuff to be stable. This is alpha software :) |
| 21:13.25 | Writchie | pre-alpha |
| 21:13.29 | mdt | HistoryOnTheRoad, problem is the init funktion does not return a NULL pointer but the structure seems to be corrupt... |
| 21:13.54 | mdt | HistoryOnTheRoad, is it possible to diskuss the api to gsmd? |
| 21:14.09 | Writchie | yes |
| 21:14.30 | HistoryOnTheRoad | mdt: Sure ... again, i'm not an expert, just hacking along with all the rest :) |
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| 21:18.40 | mdt | HistoryOnTheRoad, but where would be the right place to start architectural discussions? |
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| 21:19.01 | Writchie | mdt: on the mailing list for gsmd-dev |
| 21:19.28 | Writchie | you might want to read the archives first |
| 21:20.00 | mdt | Writchie, i think i am alredy on it... |
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| 21:23.34 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 21:24.25 | shackan | ciao bedboi |
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| 21:28.58 | guerby | counter |
| 21:28.59 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic) (1799;252) |
| 21:31.46 | bedboi | so the next shipping date is still around 10 september? |
| 21:32.05 | mwester | We don't know. |
| 21:32.20 | mwester | Some may still be left to ship this month |
| 21:32.50 | mwester | There was an indication that another batch will be arriving in the US from FIC on the 10th of Sept. But that doesn't mean they'll ship on the 10th, of course. |
| 21:33.29 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 21:33.35 | SpeedEvil | We don't even want much info. |
| 21:33.48 | SpeedEvil | One line from each core-team member per week is not too much to ask. |
| 21:33.59 | ckuethe | or from *a* core team |
| 21:34.19 | mwester | And, of course, nobody has officially altered the october ship date for the P2 units -- so go figure. They can't possibly expect to ship P1's in mid-late Sept if they are stil planning to ship P2's in October. |
| 21:34.22 | ckuethe | let us know that a) y'all haven't been hit by a bus and b) you're still getting work done. |
| 21:35.18 | FakeCoreTeamMemb | We're working hard. We're going to keep working hard. You'll see results soon |
| 21:35.45 | mwester | You know the age-old adage about how in the absence of facts, people will invent their own which are almost always the worst case... it would be to the core team's own benefit to set expectations with a few words a week... |
| 21:37.10 | doc|work | http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
| 21:37.27 | doc|work | dev blog of sorts |
| 21:37.38 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I think that a lot of people are expecting a "managed" presence, and that isn't happening yet. |
| 21:37.56 | mwester | ;) yeah, but the last actual post there by a core team member was an apology for the misinformation they provided the day before... :-D |
| 21:38.06 | mwester | Ouch! |
| 21:38.40 | doc|work | sure, but there's a post below that that shows where they're at, even if not including ship dates |
| 21:39.09 | doc|work | maybe they don't know yet :/ |
| 21:40.05 | doc|work | anyone know what the difference between the hxd8 and the neo1973 might be? |
| 21:40.12 | mwester | *I* suspect they don't know -- which is probably the worst case speculation. As most capable managers know, not knowing is worse than any possible bad news. |
| 21:40.23 | HistoryOnTheRoad | The FIC/Openmoko team don't have a proper "PR" team yet. |
| 21:40.37 | SpeedEvil | We're not expecting polished PR. |
| 21:40.39 | mwester | I've worked with my customers for 20 years now. I don't have a PR team either. |
| 21:40.40 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Those are the people that project dates and "talk" to consumers. |
| 21:40.55 | SpeedEvil | Saying that 'we can't tell you anything because we're busy' is however a cop-out. |
| 21:41.19 | SpeedEvil | When a line a week is quite adequate for some things is ... |
| 21:41.32 | HistoryOnTheRoad | mwester: Do you have thousands of bloodthirsty customers waiting on any peep of news for a new toy? :) |
| 21:41.35 | mwester | As someone pointed out, they wouldn't have those 1,000 status emails to deal with, if they had provided some information in the first place. :) |
| 21:41.41 | mwester | HistoryOnTheRoad: I have. |
| 21:41.54 | mwester | Alas, not at this moment. |
| 21:42.17 | HistoryOnTheRoad | i'm not saying that the team is doing a good job, don't get me wrong. I just don't think they've been down this road. (This is PR/customer relations wise) |
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| 21:42.45 | mwester | Years ago, I recall loaning customers the then-brand-new Sun SPARC workstations, and getting the demo units back without memory, or missing disks... it was bad. |
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| 21:43.12 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Ouch. |
| 21:43.15 | mwester | But we couldn't ship the real products, so we forced the customers to do what they needed to run their own businesses. |
| 21:44.21 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I suspect that the guys actually have an idea of when things are happening on their side ... |
| 21:44.28 | mwester | It was the same problem this core team has: at the time we were very successful in generating customer interest in the new systems, many customers changed orders for the old Motorola-based computers for the new ones --- and then the factory couldn't ship. |
| 21:45.12 | mwester | HistoryOnTheRoad: I hope they have an idea, but I cannot imagine how giving no news to us, even in response to order inquiries, is better than giving us the worst possible news. |
| 21:46.03 | bedboi | that all devices got burned |
| 21:46.06 | bedboi | ? :) |
| 21:46.47 | mwester | Even that would be better news -- those with $$$$$$ tied up waiting for FIC to charge the credit card could go on with other things until P2 ships. |
| 21:49.22 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I think some of it might be more fundamental |
| 21:49.32 | HistoryOnTheRoad | They do a run of let's say 1000 devices |
| 21:49.35 | mwester | The worst possible news, IMO is this: The core team would like to tell us that the P1's that won't ship in August should just cancel and order P2's instead, but they are now part of FIC, and FIC's management will not let them do that, because the order cancellations will affect the financials for this little group for the quarter. |
| 21:49.57 | HistoryOnTheRoad | QA, they get 950 out. Ship to US, maybe another round of QA ... |
| 21:50.12 | HistoryOnTheRoad | no way to predict how many devices are shipable. |
| 21:51.00 | mwester | But then you say that -- "backordered, planned ship date is xx/yy/2007" |
| 21:51.06 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I've never done hardware production, so I honestly have zero clue about turnarounds and other stuff. |
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| 21:52.25 | mwester | These runs are so small for a company like FIC that I'm sure it's a huge problem to do only 1000 units at a time. Even so, the first batch was manufactured in May, QA'd around week 2 of June, and took until August to ship. |
| 21:52.41 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Now I'm off into 100% speculation territory, but my guess is that FIC have only done FOB Taiwan until now. So there might be some variables there that are difficult, at best, to predict. |
| 21:53.08 | HistoryOnTheRoad | The other side is (like the gps driver isssue) there are non-technical hurdles to overcome. |
| 21:53.23 | mwester | Well, it is certainly true that FIC is accustomed to shipping by the pallet-full, not small batches! |
| 21:54.07 | mwester | The GPS driver and the broken GPRS are not commited to be fixed for any P1 units. |
| 21:54.24 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: so if TI won't let FIC release the GSM firmware, how will we go about flashing the modems? |
| 21:54.38 | daMaestro | mwester, will we be able to get the driver from the p2 images? |
| 21:54.38 | mwester | In all likelyhood the units shipping in late Sept will still not have a driver for the GPS, and won't work with many of the AT&T SIM cards. |
| 21:54.40 | ckuethe | send it back to FIC |
| 21:54.59 | mwester | daMaestro: I can't see why not. That much we should be able to fix ourselves. |
| 21:55.00 | HistoryOnTheRoad | GPS driver is "in the works", so the grapvine says. That I'm sure will be ironed out, hopefully sooner rather then later. |
| 21:55.05 | daMaestro | mwester, cool |
| 21:55.11 | mjr | broken GPRS? |
| 21:55.26 | daMaestro | yeah, what is wrong with GPRS? |
| 21:55.30 | calamous_ | ckuethe: will TI pay for my shipping because its their lame rule? |
| 21:55.41 | daMaestro | calamous_, doubt it |
| 21:55.44 | mdt | gprs? is 0710 implemented? |
| 21:55.51 | ckuethe | probably not |
| 21:56.10 | calamous_ | Well, when the Time comes the ship it back to FIC I will call T.I. and ask them |
| 21:56.13 | ckuethe | they will say that their chip works with carriers X Y and Z |
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| 21:56.18 | daMaestro | hozer, not if you want to hack on it and make gta02 better ;-) |
| 21:56.20 | ckuethe | thus carrier A is broken |
| 21:56.28 | mwester | There seems to be a problem with the firmware in the TI GPRS -- see the wiki for the issues around the AT&T sims. Apparently it's in the hands of TI to fix, but TI will not release the software to reload firmware, so nobody knows how we'll get the P1's working with those SIMS. |
| 21:57.24 | HistoryOnTheRoad | hozer: We're speculating, based on very little. For all we know FIC have just finsihed the legal docs and GPS and GSM cardreader upgrades are on the way. :P |
| 21:57.31 | hozer | daMaestro: I do want to hack.. but I dunno if I'll have much time before november |
| 21:57.42 | daMaestro | hozer, then you might just wait |
| 21:57.44 | daMaestro | who knows. |
| 21:57.57 | daMaestro | the hardware is decently solid, with misc expected issues |
| 21:58.09 | daMaestro | the only truely annoying one is the att sim issues |
| 21:58.10 | hozer | okay, so I'll be able to reliably make phonecalls |
| 21:58.20 | daMaestro | the battery issues are a little pita'ish |
| 21:58.22 | ferric | there's no way the gta02 is shipping in oct. |
| 21:58.28 | daMaestro | hozer, no.. not really |
| 21:58.30 | mwester | Hehe! Yep, speculation is almost always negative. It could be that the holdup for the shipments is because they are intending to upgrade all the outstanding P1 orders to P2 units at no charge. ;) |
| 21:58.31 | ferric | (speculation) |
| 21:58.37 | daMaestro | hozer, at least not from the last build i used |
| 21:58.47 | hozer | daMaestro: but that's all software ;) |
| 21:59.03 | HistoryOnTheRoad | mwester: I see the TI firmware issue as a distribution issue. TI won't let _end users_ have the flashing tool. But that doesn't mean only FIC Taiwan (or California) have to flash the devices. |
| 21:59.06 | hozer | I need to make phonecalls, get GPRS, use the phone as a bluetooth modem |
| 21:59.06 | daMaestro | hozer, i can make and take phone calls after dealing with the software issues |
| 21:59.21 | daMaestro | hozer, with regards to those requirements.. the software is not ready, but will be |
| 21:59.26 | daMaestro | it is getting better daily |
| 21:59.29 | mwester | HistoryOnTheRoad: Interesting point. Perhaps they can find service centers in the major cities... |
| 21:59.54 | calamous_ | HistoryOnTheRoad: I hope this will be resolved soon (as in the month of august) |
| 22:00.03 | mwester | Iowa Wireless?? :-D |
| 22:00.28 | hozer | mwester: local GSM carrier.. they seem to use a bunch of tmobile's infrastructure though |
| 22:00.48 | HistoryOnTheRoad | hozer: While it's great to "eat your own dogfood", and that will get this working quicker, I wouldn't rely only on a Neo at this stage in it's software development. |
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| 22:01.17 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I'm hoping to get phone calls working. One baby step at a time :) |
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| 22:01.20 | ferric | it is a good hacker's toy though. |
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| 22:01.31 | ferric | being infinitely more hackable than anything else around. |
| 22:01.46 | hozer | HistoryOnTheRoad: I'm keeping my treo650 for awhile yet ;) |
| 22:02.23 | HistoryOnTheRoad | calamous_: Not all of it is up to FIC. Legal stuff takes annoyingly long |
| 22:02.28 | calamous_ | Granted *we* did not purchase the GSM modem from TI, I'm wondering if its in our domain to complain: http://www-k.ext.ti.com/sc/technical-support/email-tech-support.asp |
| 22:02.30 | HistoryOnTheRoad | hozer: Where in Iowa are ya? |
| 22:03.00 | hozer | Ames, IA |
| 22:03.04 | calamous_ | "Your broke-ass firmware dosent work" + details |
| 22:03.39 | HistoryOnTheRoad | hozer: Cool. Don't bet your biz, but if stuff is broken and you are using it regularly then you have a motivation to fix it. :) |
| 22:03.45 | mwester | We really don't know that it's their firmware. That's just what the bug report claims. |
| 22:03.58 | HistoryOnTheRoad | hozer: Cool. I've got family in Davenport and Des Moines. |
| 22:04.25 | calamous_ | True, But maybe they could tell us who can fix it |
| 22:04.38 | hozer | HistoryOnTheRoad: or at least motivation to file bug reports and test builds |
| 22:04.39 | calamous_ | give us a referral |
| 22:04.41 | fgergo44 | hi is there anybody here with a gta01bv4, who could possibly help me? I just received mine today, but I can't flash the rootfs, because dfu -l shows only 1 line "Found Runtime: ..... name="UNDEFINED"" and when I run dfu -l again the result is .... name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" |
| 22:04.41 | aloril | Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (gives this link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ ) |
| 22:04.42 | mwester | For all we know, pin 27 needs to be connected to pin 31 via a 1K ohm resistor to enable AT&T sims, and somebody missed that trace on the PCB (just a silly example) |
| 22:04.46 | HistoryOnTheRoad | calamous_: I'd wait to see what FIC says first. |
| 22:05.38 | calamous_ | HistoryOnTheRoad: yeah I know, just want it fixed s00n ;p |
| 22:05.41 | hozer | so.. if anyone else here is in Iowa, please update the OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Iowa-Ames wikipage |
| 22:06.19 | HistoryOnTheRoad | hozer: What's the roaming rates from them? :P |
| 22:06.36 | hozer | um.. not sure |
| 22:06.42 | hozer | www.iwireless.com |
| 22:06.53 | HistoryOnTheRoad | calamous_: :) Don't we all. My suggestion would be to find something else to hack in the meantime :P |
| 22:07.05 | calamous_ | HistoryOnTheRoad: yeah. |
| 22:07.17 | calamous_ | did anyone hear about what at&t did at lollapalooza? |
| 22:07.33 | mwester | They sang? |
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| 22:07.59 | calamous_ | No they censered perl jam when thay sang: "George Bush leave this world alone" |
| 22:08.07 | doc|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.13 | doc|work | have done it at a few different events |
| 22:08.25 | calamous_ | http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/2007/08/09/att-plays-gatekeeper-censors-pearl-jam/ |
| 22:08.40 | hozer | HistoryOnTheRoad: https://www.iwireless.com/plans_detail.asp?plan=49 |
| 22:08.41 | calamous_ | We need net neutrality |
| 22:09.02 | doc|work | calamous_: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/agendas/att-may-have-censored-bands-political-speech-in-the-past-288236.php |
| 22:09.30 | doc|work | calamous_: last thing we need is regulation of the internet. Consumers should hurt the companies :| |
| 22:09.40 | doc|work | but then they won't get their iphones :| |
| 22:09.42 | calamous_ | doc|work: wow, that makes me so angry |
| 22:09.57 | doc|work | calamous_: no more than at & t aiding the NSA in wiretapping :( |
| 22:09.58 | calamous_ | Don't other contries besides the U.S. actually have riots? |
| 22:10.12 | calamous_ | doc|work: did you know at&t used to be for privacy |
| 22:10.13 | doc|work | if there was a riot, do you think you'd know about it? |
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| 22:10.28 | doc|work | it's not like it would be reported properly |
| 22:10.38 | calamous_ | back in the 20s the government wire tapped phones and at&t took the case to the surpieme court, they used to be the good guys |
| 22:10.45 | doc|work | calamous_: nope, but there's money to be made when countries are at war :/ |
| 22:10.53 | calamous_ | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/archives/005397.php |
| 22:11.06 | doc|work | even when the war is on a strategy rather than an enemy |
| 22:11.17 | calamous_ | I can't believe at&t at one point actually cared about consumers |
| 22:11.22 | HistoryOnTheRoad | hozer: wow, pricey :P ... but maybe if I come for a visit I'll grab one |
| 22:11.46 | calamous_ | doc|work: yeah thats true |
| 22:12.06 | doc|work | methinks it's time for pitchforks |
| 22:12.16 | calamous_ | doc|work: good point about the riots, I would not know |
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| 22:12.31 | hozer | HistoryOnTheRoad: that was for 2 months prepaid |
| 22:13.03 | calamous_ | doc|work: I guess thats life in Oceania |
| 22:13.04 | doc|work | calamous_: that's a nice article |
| 22:13.13 | doc|work | calamous_: always been at war etc etc :( |
| 22:13.37 | calamous_ | Perhaps it will be different in Eurasia |
| 22:13.48 | hozer | doc|work: heh.. now Perl jam posted it on their web site, and ATT says they are attempting to get permission from perl jam to post the song in its entirety on the ATT blueroom website |
| 22:13.54 | calamous_ | Do you think that If I was a member of the inner party my phone's firmware would be fixed faster? |
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| 22:14.18 | hozer | they claim someone screwed up and ommitted the lyrics.. |
| 22:14.30 | calamous_ | hozer: for real? |
| 22:14.37 | hozer | I almost think someone 'censored' it on purpose to get press |
| 22:14.45 | calamous_ | The person just happened to mess up when George Bush's name was mentioned |
| 22:14.46 | calamous_ | Twice |
| 22:14.58 | doc|work | hozer: they also claimed it was a once off http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/agendas/att-may-have-censored-bands-political-speech-in-the-past-288236.php |
| 22:15.20 | doc|work | they're trying to make a save, and given the shit they've pulled with the NSA, I for one, aren't buying it |
| 22:15.29 | hozer | and now instead of nobody noticing, everyone is going to be downloading it |
| 22:16.03 | hozer | so if someone really *was* trying to censor it, they screwed up big time. |
| 22:16.06 | calamous_ | I'm wating for at&t to change from english to newspeak |
| 22:16.19 | ckuethe | they use it already |
| 22:16.25 | doc|work | wiretapping is doubleplusgood! |
| 22:16.28 | doc|work | scum |
| 22:16.29 | ckuethe | and make you believe it's still english |
| 22:16.53 | doc|work | if nothing else put me off the iphone, it would be at & t |
| 22:17.34 | calamous_ | Well to be an iphone user you must be able to doublethink |
| 22:18.10 | doc|work | that's the apple way anyway :) |
| 22:18.13 | doc|work | all hail steve! |
| 22:18.15 | alech | hey, I finally got audio, but when I make a call I get this horrible feedback noise - any idea how to deal with that? |
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| 22:18.23 | calamous_ | I dont like iJobs |
| 22:18.30 | calamous_ | Did you hear about the fake steve blog |
| 22:18.52 | calamous_ | http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/ |
| 22:19.09 | calamous_ | http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/2007/08/in-case-youre-wondering-yes-someone-got.html |
| 22:19.13 | calamous_ | thats a really funny one |
| 22:20.58 | Elrond | LarstiQ - What did you mean with the faith in me? |
| 22:21.08 | LarstiQ | Elrond: working on gps |
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| 22:23.03 | calamous_ | If you go to fakesteeve's profile his intersts are: mock turtlenecks, the color black |
| 22:23.58 | calamous_ | This picture is funny: http://www.frontlinescreative.com/iJobs.jpg |
| 22:24.18 | Elrond | LarstiQ - Ohhh. Well... Don't hold your breath, please. |
| 22:25.00 | LarstiQ | Elrond: I'm not, don't worry. |
| 22:26.14 | Elrond | LarstiQ - Why specifically in me, and not in ph5 or Dmitry or Speed? ;-) |
| 22:27.26 | LarstiQ | Elrond: because I know you longer ;P |
| 22:28.03 | Elrond | hehe. ;o) |
| 22:28.27 | LarstiQ | which might be the reason my mind primarily associates you with the effort, even if I'm thankful for the rest too |
| 22:28.46 | Elrond | hehe. |
| 22:29.29 | Elrond | LarstiQ - ph5 did the base packet protocol. :-) |
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| 22:31.35 | doc|work | so, seems sco lost their rights battle over unix. Novell can tell them to ... go away |
| 22:31.54 | mjr | yeah |
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| 22:47.52 | calamous_ | Everyone should call at&t and complain |
| 22:47.58 | calamous_ | about them censoring pearl jam |
| 22:49.42 | ckuethe | yeah, they missed bleeping out all but a few words. |
| 22:50.25 | ckuethe | @$#(*^@ thos @$#*^#@($ for @#$*&^@#$ bleeping that @#(*$^#@(*$ that @#$(*&^@#)($^ /usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/jam calls @$#(*&^@#)$^ music. |
| 22:50.29 | LarstiQ | the what now? |
| 22:51.59 | rwhitby | mickey|sports: Hmm: NOTE: package libgsmd-0.1+svnrNOT IMPLEMENTED: started |
| 22:52.27 | borg_ | cd there are problems with the space in it here |
| 22:52.33 | borg_ | -cd |
| 22:53.05 | ckuethe | LarstiQ: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/10/pearl_jam_censorship/ |
| 22:53.17 | borg_ | can someone rename it to libgsmd-0.1+svnrNOT_IMPLEMENTED or something like this? |
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| 22:56.24 | Elrond | Good night people. |
| 22:58.33 | LarstiQ | ckuethe: ah. |
| 23:03.33 | ckuethe | calamous_: rather than complaining to att, just cancel service |
| 23:03.45 | ckuethe | they have to lose money before they'll take it seriously |
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| 23:04.01 | ckuethe | and they have to lose a lot of money before they'll actually make useful changes |
| 23:07.34 | bitplane | hey guys, just wondering... is software sim card support possible? |
| 23:08.24 | bitplane | like get loads of prepay sim cards and clone them, and use up the free texts/internet/minutes depending on the deal, then delete them when they run out |
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| 23:11.58 | mjr | no |
| 23:12.23 | orzo | hey what has working drivers currently? does bluetooth work? |
| 23:12.30 | orzo | i got audio and graphics |
| 23:12.32 | mjr | bt does work fine |
| 23:12.34 | ckuethe | usb ethernet works |
| 23:12.41 | orzo | ya i got that |
| 23:12.49 | orzo | anything else? |
| 23:13.02 | mjr | gsm semiworks, though the daemon is crashy |
| 23:13.07 | orzo | oh |
| 23:13.15 | orzo | i didnt know that |
| 23:13.18 | orzo | oh |
| 23:13.29 | orzo | gsm, nevermind. i THought you were talking about gps |
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| 23:13.45 | orzo | I don't have gsm service for it currently |
| 23:13.47 | bitplane | gps drivers are warez atm :( |
| 23:14.25 | orzo | meaning people arent even technically allowed to let me have a binary? |
| 23:14.32 | bitplane | yeah |
| 23:15.10 | doc|work | are the gps drivers also not open source? |
| 23:15.34 | mjr | the are not |
| 23:15.40 | doc|work | bugger :/ |
| 23:15.49 | mjr | that's the only exception (as for software on the SoC) |
| 23:15.59 | doc|work | that and the gsm |
| 23:16.04 | doc|work | firmware |
| 23:16.08 | mjr | gsm stack isn't on the SoC |
| 23:16.17 | mjr | indeed |
| 23:16.21 | orzo | the gsm firmware has a bug that prevents it from working with my current sim |
| 23:16.21 | orzo | heh |
| 23:16.28 | orzo | (att/cingular) |
| 23:16.44 | mjr | calamous_, did you expect miracles? |
| 23:17.15 | mjr | anyway, gps RE seems to be underway by a couple of people here |
| 23:17.29 | orzo | oh cool |
| 23:17.47 | orzo | do they have day jobs? |
| 23:17.50 | orzo | heh |
| 23:18.00 | mjr | they've managed to get some coarse data from the chip, but still much to do, AFAIK |
| 23:18.06 | mjr | dunno |
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| 23:18.49 | orzo | i accidently used the stylus' ink pen on the screen |
| 23:19.12 | orzo | it even inked it up, but i never peeld the protective plastic off |
| 23:19.34 | orzo | i also got myself in the eye with the stylus' lazer |
| 23:19.43 | orzo | heh |
| 23:20.01 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: do you have the GPS driver/daemon? |
| 23:20.06 | doc|work | you should be their idiot-proofing beta tester :) |
| 23:20.27 | daMaestro | lol |
| 23:22.04 | mafeu | hi. maybe there's someone around experienced with u-boot and nand? |
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| 23:22.46 | orzo | maybe the ink pen can be removed and the batteries |
| 23:24.53 | mafeu | Guess I should rather state my problem... |
| 23:26.36 | mafeu | I erased nand by issuing 'nand erase kernel' and 'nand erase rootfs'. Since then I get only 'Bad magic number' when trying to boot. Anybody any ideas, how to get out of this? |
| 23:27.11 | cjb | you expected it to still boot after erasing the nand? |
| 23:27.48 | mafeu | ok, of course i flashed kernal and rootfs again after that :-) |
| 23:29.42 | mdt | maybe the gsmd crashes if the client forgets lgsm_exit? |
| 23:30.44 | orzo | it only charges when i plug it into a linux computer, not a windows one |
| 23:31.00 | orzo | and while charging, apm doesnt indicate teh battery level |
| 23:31.08 | thomasg | are there any informations about the current mailinglist status? |
| 23:32.12 | cesarb | orzo: while charging, it doesn't know the battery level |
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| 23:32.29 | cesarb | orzo: it cannot measure the battery voltage, because the charger is pulling the voltage up |
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| 23:33.08 | cesarb | orzo: several gadgets I've seem display a "charging" icon instead of the battery level when charging |
| 23:33.29 | orz1 | ok |
| 23:34.36 | thomasg | cesarb, I have a win mobile device from HTC (shame on me!) that shows can display the battery status while charging |
| 23:34.51 | mafeu | openmoko shows charging icon when charging. |
| 23:35.02 | thomasg | and I have several other gadgets (including my nokias) that only display the "charging"-icon |
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| 23:38.25 | Vegar | it would be nice to know the battery level while charging |
| 23:38.44 | doc|work | that's how motorola do it |
| 23:39.26 | thomasg | well, I don't know how long the neo takes until it's battery is fully charged - but it shouldn't be too long |
| 23:39.30 | thomasg | so it doesnt really matter |
| 23:39.57 | robtaylor | the ui could make a guesstimate |
| 23:40.03 | thomasg | my iAudio dap takes about 6 hours, thats much longer (and it doesn't show the status, too) |
| 23:40.21 | robtaylor | usting some of Richard Hughsies algorioms |
| 23:41.42 | cesarb | Does the PMU tell us the current charging current/voltage? |
| 23:42.18 | cesarb | (if it does, we can estimate how long until it's finished, even in the constant voltage phase) |
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