| 00:03.29 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Assuming I just run the Neo with battery inserted and plugged in to my laptop, would the battery be drained? I figure it won't if I switch it into fast-charge mode but I'm curious about not having done so |
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| 00:05.59 | mjr | SpeedEvil, so hows about we hook up the +5 from one USB port to the ground of another, and then supercharge the Neo from the remaining free +5 and ground pins, which logically will provide 10V! |
| 00:07.12 | mwester | And then with 12 more wires, connecting the resulting + and - terminals, we could boost that up to 120 volts, and use a wall plug to generate any voltage we want! |
| 00:08.32 | jaebird | reflashed with known good set of kernel and rootfs...made call with headset! first call since i got it |
| 00:08.43 | mjr | jaebird, :) |
| 00:08.58 | jaebird | i wasn't even tethered to a pc :) |
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| 00:09.34 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: no - it runs from USB in that case. |
| 00:09.37 | jaebird | now i need to sms a bit |
| 00:10.01 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Ahh, thanks - that's where my thinking was flawed then. Thanks for clearing it up =) |
| 00:10.08 | jaebird | saw this question on the ml...is there a way to figure out which frequency the gsm is using or force it? |
| 00:10.16 | SpeedEvil | jaebird: no. |
| 00:10.24 | SpeedEvil | or at least no on the second |
| 00:10.29 | SpeedEvil | it's picked by your operator |
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| 00:10.57 | mjr | Yeah I saw that too. The Neo should support 850 MHz though; maybe he's not properly in coverage... |
| 00:11.03 | jaebird | well in our area there is 2 freq being used, but one is more prevalent...it seems to be choosing the other :( |
| 00:11.12 | mjr | (or he's failed to enable the SIM with AT&T somehow) |
| 00:11.54 | jaebird | with my E2 is saw spotty 1900 coverage till the 850 hack...seems similar to the signal strength i'm getting on the neo |
| 00:12.19 | jaebird | strength of 7 -12 |
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| 00:13.42 | jaebird | what is the max signal range? |
| 00:17.01 | jaebird | yeah, i'm pretty sure it is using the wrong freq, my other phones have full bars, the neo is between no bars and one |
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| 00:17.54 | jaebird | maybe if i finally go out of range of the 1900, the 850 will kick in and then stick as the default... |
| 00:18.23 | Writchie | jaebird: what network on you on? |
| 00:18.32 | jaebird | AT&T ex Cingular |
| 00:18.37 | cesarb | I read somewhere GSM phones save something about the frequency they used in the SIM |
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| 00:18.49 | cesarb | So they will not waste time searching all channels |
| 00:18.59 | Writchie | 1900 will normally be used if available |
| 00:19.07 | Writchie | 850 if 1900 not in range |
| 00:19.18 | BryceLeo|Shwr | writche quick question, what motorola usb charger should i get for the battery? |
| 00:19.40 | Writchie | 1900 cells are smaller, all other factors being the same |
| 00:20.00 | mjr | the upper freq allocations tend to have more space available, a good reason to prefer if in range |
| 00:20.05 | jaebird | Writchie: the 1900 is barely in range...so more battery consumption, my other phones already are on 850 in the same place |
| 00:20.32 | Writchie | provider generally doesn't care about your battery |
| 00:20.48 | mjr | though obviously not to the point that you can't _actually_ do anything with the signal, if that was the case... |
| 00:20.49 | jaebird | 850 is the incumbent freq in our neck of the woods |
| 00:21.20 | jaebird | that is why the majority triband phones are generally no use to us |
| 00:21.47 | mjr | *nod* |
| 00:22.09 | Writchie | the third band of a tri-band phone is 1900 |
| 00:22.16 | mjr | Well, the Neo _should_ do that too. Hard to tell from here, where 900 and/or 1800 works fine... |
| 00:22.29 | jaebird | maybe the antenna in the neo is just "that" good so it still sees 1900 when my other phones do not |
| 00:22.35 | rwhitby | neo is supposed to be quad band |
| 00:22.42 | Writchie | there are hardly of no-use, since t-mobile is all 1900 (i think) |
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| 00:23.04 | mjr | rwhitby, *nod*, 850/900/1800/1900 |
| 00:23.10 | mjr | that's the spec on the RF chip, anyway |
| 00:23.18 | jaebird | Writchie: I"m talking about my neck of the woods...T-Mobile is non existent |
| 00:23.34 | Writchie | then 850 is your only choice. |
| 00:23.40 | Writchie | which requires quadband |
| 00:24.11 | mjr | hopefully Neo's antenna isn't somehow deficient on 850... :] |
| 00:24.43 | SpeedEvil | On USB charging. |
| 00:24.45 | jaebird | Writchie: ok...maybe i'm not clear, 1900 is on the edge out here and will drop very frequently if the phone doesn't support 850. Apparently the neo is sticking with 1900 for now...that is why i was wondering if there was a way to tell it to use 850 first. :) |
| 00:24.54 | SpeedEvil | autofast mode does not persist in shutdown. |
| 00:25.21 | SpeedEvil | You need to plug into dumb charger, and pick 'autofast' mode in u-boot. |
| 00:25.40 | SpeedEvil | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader for how to add it to the main menu |
| 00:26.07 | Writchie | the phone either supports 850 or its doesn't. |
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| 00:26.20 | Writchie | if it does, it will switch from 1900 to 850 when necessary |
| 00:26.40 | Writchie | this is all automatic in the phone |
| 00:27.18 | Writchie | you can select operators but not which frequencies of the same operator are used. |
| 00:27.24 | SpeedEvil | I think it's actually negotiated with the tower |
| 00:27.28 | mjr | SpeedEvil, mmh; the setting will remain in force when linux has booted and does stuff with the usb? |
| 00:27.34 | SpeedEvil | It may be driven by the tower. |
| 00:27.56 | mjr | Yeah, I wondered if it's tower-driven too. Wouldn't seem far-fetched, but dunno. |
| 00:27.56 | SpeedEvil | mjr: If you plug it into a non-dumb charger, then yes. |
| 00:28.14 | SpeedEvil | I haven't managed to get it to charge at high rate in linux from a dumb charger |
| 00:28.31 | Writchie | IIRC its driven by the MSC |
| 00:28.43 | jaebird | Writchie: lets hope the modem supports 850 out of the box, and this isn't another problem (ie AT&T sim cards) |
| 00:28.51 | mjr | SpeedEvil, ack. That's what I wanted to know. It'd be nice to have that capability. Though since u-boot can do it, Somebody(TM) will probably hack it... |
| 00:29.25 | Writchie | IIRC i'm seeing both 1900 and 850 operators |
| 00:29.26 | jaebird | if the signal doesn't go up as i drive around, or i get a no service error...we'll know. |
| 00:29.43 | mjr | jaebird, best of luck; it really should work. |
| 00:29.49 | jaebird | that is what i got with my E2 before the hack |
| 00:30.06 | cesarb | s/wonders/ponders/ |
| 00:30.06 | jaebird | mjr: :) |
| 00:30.09 | Writchie | GSM works - AT&T is another matter |
| 00:30.32 | SpeedEvil | I _think_ my phone is using 850/900 |
| 00:30.37 | SpeedEvil | my walls are 50cm stone. |
| 00:30.56 | SpeedEvil | I can talk over GPRS at 5k/s with the phone in any random orientation. |
| 00:31.01 | SpeedEvil | Pretty much. |
| 00:31.02 | Writchie | if your in Scotland I think you will be 900/1800 |
| 00:31.14 | Writchie | probably using only 900 |
| 00:31.19 | SpeedEvil | 1800 does _not_ work through the walls |
| 00:31.55 | Writchie | this is why 900 is good |
| 00:32.01 | jaebird | it think it just switched...got a lot more bars...then switched back :) |
| 00:32.12 | jaebird | i must be on the 1900 bubble here |
| 00:32.24 | Writchie | i wouldn't place all that much emphasis on bars. |
| 00:32.57 | jaebird | Writchie: what is the signal range? |
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| 00:33.25 | Writchie | depends on frequency and power |
| 00:33.44 | jaebird | the output from gsmd? |
| 00:34.09 | Writchie | you mean the signal strength indication from gsmd? |
| 00:34.19 | jaebird | yes...what is the range |
| 00:34.28 | jaebird | 0-255? |
| 00:35.30 | Writchie | 0 - 31 |
| 00:35.47 | jaebird | ok thanks |
| 00:36.11 | rushforth | interesting, ive seen it tell me 99 before |
| 00:36.19 | Writchie | the values correspond to RSS received signal strengh |
| 00:36.20 | rushforth | but normally around 20 |
| 00:36.49 | Writchie | 99 means not known or not detectable |
| 00:36.49 | rushforth | ah, i see |
| 00:36.50 | Writchie | 0 means -113 dBm or less. |
| 00:36.50 | BlackBsd | i have noticed while trying to compile openmoko-devel-image, its seems to want to download vorbis tools and a bunch others.. |
| 00:36.50 | BlackBsd | is there a way to fetch everything first. |
| 00:36.51 | Writchie | 31 is -51 dBm or greater |
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| 00:37.47 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[Wishlist:Accessories]] [[Carriers/ATT]] [[User:Tommy]] |
| 00:38.17 | jaebird | ok...wow i get -48 dbm on my wireless inet provider (canopy system) |
| 00:38.33 | jaebird | and that is with a reflector dish :) |
| 00:39.11 | jaebird | Writchie: what you wrote might be good wiki info |
| 00:40.04 | Writchie | it's all in the GSM specs |
| 00:40.38 | Writchie | i'm not sure it adds much value to summarize |
| 00:40.52 | jaebird | i dunno |
| 00:41.11 | jaebird | is it expected that all devs be read up on gsm specs? |
| 00:41.23 | jaebird | if so...then no, otherwise a nice summary would be nice |
| 00:41.25 | Writchie | no |
| 00:41.50 | jaebird | just little things...when i was diagnosing my sim errors, i had to find the error code defs |
| 00:41.57 | Writchie | but those working on exported any of this to the application level would |
| 00:43.05 | Writchie | did you have a copy of gsm 7.07 |
| 00:43.16 | jaebird | no, i googled it |
| 00:43.36 | jaebird | but if i want to get more into the gsm stuff, i will |
| 00:44.17 | jaebird | i wasn't thinking of hacking in that space...but i may change my mind :) |
| 00:44.41 | Writchie | it's useful to better understand how things work |
| 00:45.03 | jaebird | of course...but the stack is only so deep :) |
| 00:45.07 | Writchie | believe it not, GSM works beautifully everywhere in the US |
| 00:45.19 | Writchie | s/in/but |
| 00:45.25 | Writchie | everywhere but the US |
| 00:45.59 | jaebird | well, its only been ~5 yrs? iirc |
| 00:46.08 | jaebird | at least for cingular |
| 00:46.40 | jaebird | and since they've been buying and merging all these other networks, it can only get more complicated |
| 00:47.04 | anrp | so... how do i force u-boot to the earlier git rev? |
| 00:47.09 | jaebird | maybe by the time 3G is nationwide it will be sorted...here is to hoping |
| 00:47.16 | Writchie | it's more a matter of no competition in GSM |
| 00:48.01 | Writchie | US operators compete phones+network against phones+network instead of network vs. network |
| 00:48.20 | jaebird | yeah...but data speeds are starting to mater |
| 00:48.27 | jaebird | s/mater/matter/ |
| 00:49.08 | jaebird | if at&t can't pull this off, americans don't care about gsm, they'll go to verizon or something |
| 00:49.55 | jaebird | where do americans roam...generally, it is in the usa from state to state...gsm interoperability between providers isn't the same as in eu |
| 00:50.14 | jaebird | my 2c |
| 00:50.20 | Writchie | competition between t-mobile and AT&T will, IMHO, improve both networks |
| 00:50.42 | jaebird | i agree |
| 00:51.03 | jaebird | whenever sprint dies, t-mobile can buy their assets |
| 00:51.10 | mjr | yeah, the US cell network market, interop, competition, *sigh* |
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| 00:55.35 | daMaestro | anyone having issues building right now? |
| 00:55.54 | daMaestro | | Applying patch patches/uboot-cramfs_but_no_jffs2.patch |
| 00:55.54 | daMaestro | | patching file fs/cramfs/cramfs.c |
| 00:55.54 | daMaestro | | Hunk #1 FAILED at 27. |
| 00:55.54 | daMaestro | | 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file fs/cramfs/cramfs.c [...] |
| 00:56.21 | daMaestro | sprint is cdma.. why would tmobile want their assest |
| 00:56.31 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: are you getting a pretty consistent 5Kbps over GPRS |
| 00:56.48 | anrp | yes |
| 00:56.50 | the_void | daMaestro: have the sort of the same error |
| 00:57.02 | anrp | someone pointed uboot-gta01 at the head of u-boot dev |
| 00:57.08 | anrp | = not good idea |
| 00:58.06 | daMaestro | is there any way i can *not* build uboot? |
| 00:58.13 | daMaestro | i really only want the latest kernel and rootfs image |
| 01:03.10 | don-o | daMaestro: isnt uboot a small amount of sourcecode? |
| 01:03.32 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: yes. |
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| 01:03.43 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: ping time averaging 700ms. |
| 01:04.01 | SpeedEvil | I've as a test downloaded 10M files over it - without real problems. |
| 01:04.07 | SpeedEvil | T-mobile-uk |
| 01:04.19 | Writchie | sounds pretty good |
| 01:04.37 | SpeedEvil | Though the cheapest way I've found of getting data calls is silly. |
| 01:04.48 | Writchie | agree |
| 01:04.57 | Writchie | you're luck you have gprs on a prepay |
| 01:05.04 | Writchie | or temp gprs |
| 01:05.13 | SpeedEvil | Buy cheap PAYG phone with 10 days free internet access, and other PAYG SIM. Place other SIM in with phone, ebay. |
| 01:05.19 | SpeedEvil | Repeat. |
| 01:05.33 | SpeedEvil | However, it's not _too_ bad. |
| 01:05.51 | SpeedEvil | as on PAYG - with t-mobile - it's capped at a pound a day normally with GPRS |
| 01:06.05 | Writchie | are you in a proxy jail |
| 01:06.12 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 01:06.20 | SpeedEvil | I can connect out on random ports. |
| 01:06.22 | SpeedEvil | ssh, ... |
| 01:06.43 | SpeedEvil | Can't connect in of course - but I wouldn't want that without stuff that's not available. |
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| 01:07.15 | SpeedEvil | cryptographically signed inbound packets for example, with non signed ones getting bounced at the mobile operators border router. |
| 01:07.17 | Writchie | you still be able to get in |
| 01:07.40 | SpeedEvil | get in? |
| 01:07.51 | Writchie | should be similar to a NAT traversal |
| 01:08.16 | SpeedEvil | I mean so that random hosts on the internet can't try to send me viruses, at 0.73p/kilobyte |
| 01:08.28 | Writchie | yes |
| 01:08.46 | Writchie | this is already a problem just with sms |
| 01:09.00 | SpeedEvil | It _would_ be nice if it was possible to push signed udp packets to my phone. |
| 01:09.10 | SpeedEvil | Say 200 bytes - that works out at 0.2p each |
| 01:09.16 | Writchie | i think you can so that yourself |
| 01:09.25 | Writchie | this is what I am talking with the NAT traversal |
| 01:09.28 | SpeedEvil | Or 700/day |
| 01:09.41 | Writchie | you need your server in the middle to do this |
| 01:09.45 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
| 01:10.01 | Writchie | actually, i am looking into doing this kind of service on a general basis |
| 01:10.11 | jaebird | Writchie: is there anything to the ml post about the FCC hasn't approved 850 yet? |
| 01:10.32 | Writchie | jaebird: don't know - |
| 01:10.43 | Writchie | have to look at the submission for the phone. |
| 01:10.58 | jaebird | the link i went to had 2400 and 1900 only |
| 01:10.58 | Writchie | likely an oversite by FIC |
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| 01:11.22 | SpeedEvil | What I'd _like_ is for me to be able to give out a set of public keys. A packet signed with any of these keys can get through the firewall, and I can revoke keys on demand. |
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| 01:11.41 | SpeedEvil | But, that's not really possible. So VPN is pretty much it. |
| 01:12.08 | Writchie | i think something like that is possible |
| 01:12.18 | SpeedEvil | In theory it's possible. |
| 01:12.28 | Writchie | even practical. |
| 01:12.36 | SpeedEvil | In practice - I don't know if there is even a RFC that'd cover this. |
| 01:12.55 | SpeedEvil | And it's certainly not deployed at $RANDOM_PHONE_COMPANY |
| 01:13.08 | anrp | i add one package, and bitbake decides to rebuild everything |
| 01:13.08 | anrp | ?? |
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| 01:13.25 | Writchie | if NAT traversal ip discovery part works, the rest is pretty easy |
| 01:13.35 | anrp | it better not rebuild gcc... |
| 01:13.53 | mwester | anrp: it's a feature. |
| 01:14.01 | Writchie | there is I think a need for narroband udp user to user relay service |
| 01:14.12 | anrp | a feature, eh |
| 01:14.39 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 01:14.52 | SpeedEvil | I need to find out how many bytes/day an idle SSH session uses. |
| 01:14.59 | Writchie | you might even be able to do it peer to peer with server in the middle only for session setup |
| 01:15.07 | SpeedEvil | As 136kbytes/day is when it becomes 'free'. |
| 01:15.17 | anrp | openvpn! |
| 01:15.38 | mwester | Yeah. Perhaps the confusing part is that people expect the toolchain to remain distinct from the other software; OE is set up so that there is no such distinction. With surprising results sometimes. |
| 01:15.38 | dTx | OpenVPN can do TCP or UDP |
| 01:16.04 | dTx | What are we wondering about being possible when you could use OpenVPN? |
| 01:16.16 | anrp | er... what? |
| 01:16.21 | Writchie | the use cases are driven by cost |
| 01:16.48 | Writchie | i think we want to send very low rate packets through gprs on demand |
| 01:16.59 | anrp | regardless of the rationale behind it, deciding to rebuild everything is often the wrong choice |
| 01:17.02 | Writchie | without the risk of a flooding with tons of traffic |
| 01:17.10 | mwester | anrp: I agree. |
| 01:17.27 | anrp | what do you define toolchain as? |
| 01:17.41 | SpeedEvil | On 'power off' on the menu. |
| 01:17.58 | Writchie | that would be ideal |
| 01:18.00 | SpeedEvil | It does not turn off the mobile phone modem. |
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| 01:18.10 | mwester | The obvious -- compiler, linker, etc. OE also adds half of the Linux utilities and tools to the mix -- anything with a -native recipie. |
| 01:18.13 | Writchie | ideally, the gprs attach would be maintained |
| 01:18.15 | SpeedEvil | And uses some 30mA. |
| 01:18.25 | anrp | ... |
| 01:18.29 | anrp | yep, there it goes |
| 01:18.31 | Writchie | just give me a single UDP packet every 15 minutes, |
| 01:18.31 | anrp | fucking pos |
| 01:19.04 | anrp | i created one directory in packages, then did bitbake file |
| 01:19.10 | dTx | Is GPRS just a type of proxy or is it like Frame Relay or what? |
| 01:19.11 | Writchie | kind of like WAP over SMS |
| 01:19.13 | anrp | which dutifully rebuilds everything. |
| 01:19.15 | anrp | why??! |
| 01:19.23 | SpeedEvil | It's sort-of-ISDN |
| 01:19.35 | SpeedEvil | where the calls and the data share one 'circuit'. |
| 01:19.35 | Writchie | just a generalized packet transport |
| 01:19.37 | dTx | Like a dial-on-demand type thing |
| 01:19.43 | mwester | For example, the simple task of a bitbake recipe to compile the new timezone databases for this year's change -- simple. Except that the OE core team insisted that the recipe compile the tzedit utility -- on the grounds that the host system may not have it installed. |
| 01:19.53 | Writchie | the connection stays up as long as you want |
| 01:20.01 | Writchie | you transfer packets when you want |
| 01:20.10 | anrp | honestly, i can't believe this is right |
| 01:20.17 | Writchie | it's designed for over the air frugality |
| 01:20.21 | anrp | i must have done something wrong but i have no idea what |
| 01:20.29 | Writchie | it wasn't designed for youTube video |
| 01:20.48 | anrp | not to mention the fact that head is broken right now |
| 01:20.54 | Writchie | the fundamental GPS channels are on the order of 10k bps point to point channels |
| 01:21.12 | Writchie | GPRS uses multiple channels to implement a packet service that is point multipoint |
| 01:21.22 | mwester | There's a fix of sorts -- if you can pull the tools out of the OE tree, you can set "ASSUME_PROVIDED" variables so that OE will not attempt to build those parts. Obvious candidates woudl be the cross compiler... |
| 01:21.22 | anrp | wha..? |
| 01:21.44 | anrp | why do I need to trick bitbake though? it's not like the packages in question have changed |
| 01:22.01 | Writchie | GPRS is designed to easily fill in the idle channels with packet data |
| 01:22.19 | Writchie | the unused bandwidth is then shared. |
| 01:22.21 | dTx | But this is transparent to the OS right? |
| 01:22.26 | mwester | A dependency somewhere changed. You can dump out the dependency graph, but when I last looked at it, it was a black mass of links that filled my monitor. :o |
| 01:22.32 | aloril | (script) planet: Jouston Huang: Apology post http://jouston.no-ip.com/archives/000230.html |
| 01:22.32 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 01:22.32 | SpeedEvil | dTx. |
| 01:22.35 | Writchie | the operator determine how many channels min to devote to GPRS all the time |
| 01:22.51 | anrp | from the phone's perspective, GPRS looks like a PPP connection to the operator's gprs-ip gateway |
| 01:22.51 | Writchie | OS just sees normal IP |
| 01:22.52 | SpeedEvil | Well - it's not really transparent - it's like any other interneet device. |
| 01:22.56 | mwester | anrp: your philosophy statement summarizes it very well. |
| 01:23.06 | SpeedEvil | It's not quite ppp - with the multiplexing |
| 01:23.09 | SpeedEvil | which isn't in yet |
| 01:23.14 | anrp | in gprs? |
| 01:23.19 | anrp | you mean TS07.07? |
| 01:23.36 | SpeedEvil | In principle, the multiplexing should allow us to do voice/data at the same time. |
| 01:23.47 | Writchie | Not True |
| 01:23.58 | Writchie | Voice and Data at same time requires DTM |
| 01:24.00 | anrp | not unless you spend megabucks on a dual-radio gsm module |
| 01:24.16 | Writchie | don't need two radios, just DTM |
| 01:24.24 | anrp | now you could do voice-over-gprs or data-over-csd but that's pretty much always a bad idea |
| 01:24.26 | Writchie | not supported in present chip |
| 01:24.52 | Writchie | at present, a voice or circuit switched data call will suspend the GPRS session until the call is complete |
| 01:24.57 | anrp | you can mantain two open channels to the gsm chipset, one for voice one for data, but the data one stalls while voice is active |
| 01:25.07 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: I've read statements by Harald differently. |
| 01:25.11 | Writchie | the session will then resulme |
| 01:25.18 | Writchie | What statements from Harald |
| 01:25.24 | Writchie | about DTM? |
| 01:25.43 | anrp | i think you misunderstood... the multiplexing allows for 16 virtual serial connections to the gsm chipset |
| 01:25.52 | anrp | one can be dedicated for voice, one for data, etc |
| 01:25.57 | anrp | couple for command |
| 01:26.12 | anrp | but depending on the chipset you can't use voice and data |
| 01:26.21 | Writchie | with one radio, the radio must be tuned to the channel the voice (or CSD) is on. |
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| 01:26.31 | Writchie | the GPRS must be routed to the same channel |
| 01:26.47 | Writchie | this requires capability in both the handset and network |
| 01:26.55 | Vegar | is it possible to do multiple calls at once? |
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| 01:27.05 | Writchie | no |
| 01:27.09 | jaebird | lol |
| 01:27.21 | hads | If you have two phones. |
| 01:27.24 | Vegar | like conferencing? |
| 01:27.30 | jaebird | i would like my gsm modem to call my boss and tell him i'm sick! |
| 01:27.36 | Vegar | my old siemens C55 has a conference option |
| 01:27.42 | Writchie | you can conference calls but the bridging is done outside of the radio |
| 01:27.44 | jaebird | while, I'm surfing the gprs :) |
| 01:28.03 | Writchie | conference and alternated calls are held outside the radio network |
| 01:28.08 | Vegar | ok |
| 01:28.20 | Writchie | there is only one circuit switched path at a time |
| 01:28.39 | Writchie | it can carry a bridged connection of two or more calls (usually two max) |
| 01:29.15 | Writchie | when gprs is attached, you are using a particular channel |
| 01:29.34 | Writchie | when you get an incoming call, it may need to be routed on another channel |
| 01:29.36 | anrp | of course if you dare to actually use it your provider will probably charge you 2*n*rate for the calls, since providers generally are ... money grubbing |
| 01:30.08 | jaebird | money grubbing, with a smile :) |
| 01:30.18 | Writchie | unfortunately, many companies don't know what there true business is. |
| 01:30.22 | Writchie | especially telco's |
| 01:30.40 | Writchie | the copper pair business is different than the (teleservices" business |
| 01:30.41 | jaebird | like the openmoko ad on youtube...the phone company |
| 01:30.44 | dTx | Their true business is the maximization of profit |
| 01:30.53 | Writchie | nothing wrong with that |
| 01:31.04 | dTx | eh |
| 01:31.05 | jaebird | and whine and complain when they have to get off their duff |
| 01:31.08 | dTx | To a degree |
| 01:31.16 | SpeedEvil | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2986976174.html |
| 01:31.17 | dTx | Past a degree there is often much wrong with it |
| 01:31.29 | SpeedEvil | Moss-Pultz notes, "That's the big thing missing from Linux. There is no GSM multiplexing available right now. You want multiplexing so apps can simultaneously access call features -- so when you're browsing the Internet, you can still get a call." |
| 01:31.47 | anrp | get, not continue using |
| 01:31.53 | SpeedEvil | I'm not saying this is right - just where I got it from. |
| 01:31.58 | anrp | you still get GSM notifications etc |
| 01:32.04 | anrp | but you can't keep data active once you go on call |
| 01:32.09 | SpeedEvil | Ah - right. |
| 01:32.23 | Writchie | most definitely, the chipset supports 7.10 |
| 01:32.25 | SpeedEvil | Confusingly phrased to those that don't know the underlying protocol limitations. |
| 01:32.30 | anrp | indeed |
| 01:32.41 | SpeedEvil | A pity :( |
| 01:32.46 | Writchie | yes |
| 01:33.06 | Writchie | a phone plus continuous GPRS is an exteremely valuable use case |
| 01:33.06 | jaebird | is 3G the same situation? |
| 01:33.08 | anrp | also, i don't think that multiplexing belongs in the kernel at all |
| 01:33.11 | anrp | but that's just me |
| 01:33.22 | Writchie | i've been waiting 6 years for that and I'm still waiting |
| 01:33.35 | anrp | that,s easy, BT connect another phone to your neo D: |
| 01:33.41 | Writchie | 3G is different because of wideband CDMA |
| 01:33.53 | jaebird | i know nextel operates a handset on two networks...wonder if they offer the simul data/voice |
| 01:33.54 | Writchie | not a problem with UMTS |
| 01:34.21 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: So it's basically a radio/tower limit. It would require both timeslots for voice/data to be on the same channel? |
| 01:34.35 | Writchie | its really just software |
| 01:34.46 | anrp | man, screw deps |
| 01:35.07 | SpeedEvil | I'm assuming the radio in the phone is not agile enough to swap freqs between timeslots. |
| 01:35.36 | Writchie | the radio is easy enough to switch, but not while data is in progress |
| 01:35.39 | SpeedEvil | Actually, it would require two radios, without cooperation of the tower, as they might be at the same time. |
| 01:35.51 | Writchie | you can do it with two radios |
| 01:36.07 | Writchie | but that is almost never practical |
| 01:36.36 | SpeedEvil | I dunno. |
| 01:36.47 | SpeedEvil | I have just bought a PAYG phone. |
| 01:36.56 | SpeedEvil | With a dual-band GSM radio. |
| 01:37.01 | SpeedEvil | It was cheep. |
| 01:37.14 | Writchie | dual-band or quad band is not the same as two complete radios |
| 01:37.24 | SpeedEvil | I'd be quite happy to have that as an additional radio. |
| 01:37.32 | SpeedEvil | No, it's not. |
| 01:37.34 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
| 01:37.43 | jaebird | you could duct tape them together :) |
| 01:38.01 | Writchie | in some cases we may be forced to use two radios with BT to one of them |
| 01:38.06 | SpeedEvil | I was simply meaning that I wouldn't want a full 4 band radio. |
| 01:38.09 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 01:38.24 | Writchie | the 4 bands are only useful when traveling. |
| 01:38.43 | Writchie | i don't know of any case where more than two bands are in use in any given country |
| 01:38.44 | SpeedEvil | Indeed - as long as I could pick the bands. |
| 01:39.15 | Writchie | may change is we end up with a gsm 750 buts thats years away |
| 01:39.27 | Writchie | these is one country with gsm400 |
| 01:40.51 | Writchie | s/these/thee |
| 01:41.03 | Writchie | s/thee/there |
| 01:41.53 | anrp | sure you don't meen thouse? |
| 01:41.55 | anrp | >_> |
| 01:42.20 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 01:42.31 | Writchie | them there |
| 01:42.33 | SpeedEvil | 150 bytes ish overhead to send one " " over ssh. |
| 01:42.46 | SpeedEvil | or 300 bytes both way - 0.2p. |
| 01:42.52 | anrp | that's a lot |
| 01:43.02 | SpeedEvil | Of course - that's worst-case. |
| 01:43.16 | SpeedEvil | 100 bytes will be the same price |
| 01:43.38 | Writchie | i think the MTU is something like 200+ |
| 01:43.52 | anrp | woo! |
| 01:43.57 | anrp | i got me self a kernel |
| 01:44.52 | SpeedEvil | Indeed - a 80 char paste uses the same bytes as 1 byte - more or less |
| 01:45.10 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:45.22 | anrp | no thanks to bitbake though, sheesh |
| 01:45.33 | hads | I remember the MTU being around 200 from memory too. |
| 01:55.49 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r112 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Explicitly address the Neo with dfu-util (stops accidentally finding multiple dfu-capable devices) |
| 01:56.18 | rtm_ | Does anyone know how I can add my application to the "Other Applications" submenu of the main openmoko menu? |
| 02:01.43 | borg_ | i think there is no panel-menu in OM-2007.2 |
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| 02:07.33 | anrp | agh |
| 02:07.35 | anrp | nooo |
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| 02:16.07 | Dunedan | jaebird: Is that a hardware or a software limitation? |
| 02:18.15 | mjr | hardware |
| 02:18.17 | pjz | afaik, microSD isn't usually hotswappable |
| 02:18.24 | mjr | it's behind the sim and the battery |
| 02:18.39 | anrp | taking out the battery = die |
| 02:18.45 | pjz | but it can often be unmounted and removed without turning off the machine |
| 02:19.09 | mjr | pjz, that's hotswap |
| 02:19.14 | borg_ | there are some phones where you can change the sdcard without putting out the battery |
| 02:19.30 | jaebird | what are the electrical length limits on the connectors? |
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| 02:19.54 | pjz | mjr: oh? I guess I think of hotswap in the power-supply sense: just pull one out, plug in another, the hardware autoadjusts |
| 02:20.09 | jaebird | what about a microSD with ribbon cable to a std SD adapter and poke it through the back of the case |
| 02:20.48 | mjr | if you can change a part with power on, it's hotswap |
| 02:20.58 | jaebird | 8GB sdhc :) |
| 02:21.23 | mjr | and of course, you don't have to unmount an sd before unplugging it; it'll just not be guaranteed to be in a consistent state :] |
| 02:22.14 | pjz | ah |
| 02:23.54 | anrp | hm |
| 02:23.57 | anrp | well it switched |
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| 02:37.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management]] [[P1_Owners]] |
| 02:39.59 | anrp | a ha ha ! |
| 02:40.01 | anrp | qvga! |
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| 02:42.39 | mjr | anrp, on Neo? |
| 02:43.18 | mjr | apparently so |
| 02:43.20 | mjr | cool |
| 02:44.24 | anrp | yeah |
| 02:44.25 | anrp | finally |
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| 02:44.33 | anrp | there's something up, i can't switch the mode online |
| 02:44.45 | anrp | has to be done at startup -> something missing in initialization probably |
| 02:47.48 | mjr | *nod* |
| 02:47.57 | mjr | lessens the usefulness a bit, but it's a waypoint :] |
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| 02:51.19 | anrp | i still wish uboot wasn't broken |
| 02:51.33 | SpeedEvil | In what way? |
| 02:52.44 | anrp | doesn't build, blocking everything else in openmoko... |
| 02:52.51 | anrp | anyway, time for pics! |
| 02:53.01 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 02:57.02 | sagacis | Yay pix! |
| 02:58.17 | anrp | i think the timings that stefan came up with are wrong, there's a lot of smearing with them... however if it uses the (supposedly incorrect for the mode) VGA timings its sharp (still a bit of flicker though) |
| 02:59.29 | anrp | http://atocha.mit.edu/~anrp/neo_neo/ |
| 02:59.30 | anrp | anyway >_> |
| 03:00.23 | anrp | the video is from the RL...avi with no preprocessing; if you allow preprocessing to prerotate i think fullscreen qvga is doable |
| 03:00.42 | anrp | video is cropped to 240x240 to fit the mode in this case |
| 03:00.47 | anrp | on the neo |
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| 03:01.55 | anrp | last pic is with the "wrong" timings |
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| 03:02.42 | SpeedEvil | anrp: Well - 90% of 'vcd' rate mpeg1s I have play just fine with -framedrop |
| 03:02.56 | anrp | framedrop is ~_~ though |
| 03:03.15 | SpeedEvil | In most cases it's dropping only the very occasional frame though |
| 03:03.19 | SpeedEvil | Ok... |
| 03:03.29 | SpeedEvil | I'm having problems connecting to GPRS. |
| 03:03.33 | SpeedEvil | It _used_ to work. |
| 03:03.47 | SpeedEvil | I have powered down and up the phone - and pulled battery. |
| 03:03.52 | SpeedEvil | at+cgdcont=1,"ip","general.t-mobile.uk","0.0.0.0",0,0' |
| 03:03.53 | SpeedEvil | ERROR |
| 03:03.57 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 03:04.06 | SpeedEvil | And I've no clue where to go from here. |
| 03:04.21 | SpeedEvil | The modem can make calls with atd |
| 03:04.24 | anrp | the ever-useful 'ERROR'! |
| 03:04.37 | anrp | something's broke; now, let's play a guessing game! |
| 03:04.43 | hads | mm |
| 03:04.54 | anrp | hm, maybe just the pixelclock is wrong |
| 03:07.18 | anrp | ahh too fast pixclk causes flickering |
| 03:07.36 | anrp | and smearing |
| 03:07.45 | anrp | er too slow causes smearing |
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| 03:12.12 | sagacis | anrp: Excellent work |
| 03:13.12 | sagacis | I've always though neo's coat was a little rubbery in that fight sequence. |
| 03:13.18 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: What do you get from at_cgdcont? |
| 03:13.38 | Writchie | s/_/+ |
| 03:13.39 | SpeedEvil | +CGDCONT: (1-2),"IP",,,(0),(0,1) |
| 03:15.01 | Writchie | is there much of a delay after you issue the set command? |
| 03:15.06 | SpeedEvil | at+CGDCONT? |
| 03:15.06 | SpeedEvil | +CGDCONT: 1,"IP","general.t-mobile.uk","0.0.0.0",0,0 |
| 03:15.13 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 03:15.26 | Writchie | looks to me like you're set. |
| 03:15.35 | Writchie | what happens when you dial with pdp context 1 |
| 03:15.46 | SpeedEvil | how? |
| 03:16.51 | Writchie | it's a dial string, wait one I'll look it up |
| 03:16.56 | SpeedEvil | tATDT*99***1# ? |
| 03:17.10 | SpeedEvil | ATDT*99***1# |
| 03:17.10 | SpeedEvil | ERROR |
| 03:17.36 | Writchie | sounds right |
| 03:17.44 | Writchie | but let me look it up to be sure |
| 03:17.54 | SpeedEvil | that's pulled from the connect script |
| 03:18.00 | SpeedEvil | which _was_ working. |
| 03:18.10 | Writchie | did the connect script set the context |
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| 03:18.31 | Writchie | and are you sure it was IP and not PPP |
| 03:19.05 | SpeedEvil | It turns the modem off in hardware, does atz, ate0, at+cfun=1, at+cops, at+cgdco... atdt |
| 03:19.17 | SpeedEvil | It was |
| 03:19.22 | SpeedEvil | I could of course try ppp |
| 03:19.50 | SpeedEvil | 'error' |
| 03:20.06 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 03:20.06 | Writchie | does it come back immediately or with some delay |
| 03:20.09 | SpeedEvil | at+cgdcont=1,"ppp","general.t-mobile.uk" |
| 03:20.12 | SpeedEvil | give ok |
| 03:20.19 | SpeedEvil | immediately. |
| 03:20.41 | anrp | huh |
| 03:20.50 | anrp | its flickering because i'm looking at the wrong buffer ?? |
| 03:21.35 | Writchie | what application are you connecting with |
| 03:22.07 | SpeedEvil | pppd file /etc/ppp/gprs |
| 03:22.51 | BryceLeo | man... i've been f*ing building every package in OE for the last like 4 days.... |
| 03:22.51 | BryceLeo | this is insane.... |
| 03:22.59 | BryceLeo | i think i'm going to have to get my work machine setup doing this when i'm not there |
| 03:23.01 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 03:23.21 | BryceLeo | dual opterons with 2gb ram should be much better than P4mobile 1.6 with 2gb ram |
| 03:23.29 | BryceLeo | hell i could even thread it |
| 03:23.43 | BryceLeo | hmm... maybe not thread it.... |
| 03:25.22 | BryceLeo | and at 6734 packages built... it's still only 716 mb |
| 03:25.47 | anrp | BryceLeo: just don't add your own package |
| 03:25.56 | anrp | when i did that, bitbake decided it was time to rebuild everything |
| 03:26.33 | BryceLeo | anrp: ??... my bitbake doesn't do that.... how did you add your package? |
| 03:26.51 | anrp | added a directory, added a .bb |
| 03:26.53 | BryceLeo | i wrote a script to source the OE directory and bitbake every foldername which thankfuly corresponds to an app name |
| 03:26.58 | anrp | then tried to bitbake it |
| 03:27.02 | BryceLeo | anrp: ahhh, setup a local overlay |
| 03:27.13 | BryceLeo | anrp: check out http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course |
| 03:27.15 | anrp | why would it rebuild everything though? |
| 03:28.03 | BryceLeo | anrp: probably because you modified the offical OE tree where your package doesn't actually belong |
| 03:28.34 | anrp | D: |
| 03:28.45 | anrp | still, though... |
| 03:29.09 | BryceLeo | you should have your own package in a local overlay so that bitbake pulls from your repo setup first then goes down to OE's default. Like the current OpenMoko is actually an OE overlay. Soon though with the release of 2007.2 it'll prettymuch just be a bb recipe |
| 03:29.44 | anrp | now why does my actual framebuffer point off the screen? |
| 03:29.46 | BryceLeo | anrp: what would you prefer to use other than OE? |
| 03:29.55 | BryceLeo | anrp: that i couldn't tell ya |
| 03:30.20 | BryceLeo | anrp: i really don't know the other tools out there |
| 03:30.31 | anrp | i'm personally partial to uclibc, but i don't think this is the right application for it |
| 03:30.38 | anrp | well uclibc/buildroot |
| 03:30.46 | BryceLeo | you can still build agains uclibc for your OE apps |
| 03:31.02 | BryceLeo | idea? |
| 03:32.14 | anrp | i bet the framebuffer pointer is wrong |
| 03:32.22 | anrp | since i'm looking at the lower left corner of the screen |
| 03:32.25 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: what do you get from +CGREG? |
| 03:32.28 | anrp | but the kernel is writing to the upper left corner |
| 03:32.54 | anrp | since i can see the last line of the actual screen on the top of mine |
| 03:34.09 | SpeedEvil | at+CGREG? |
| 03:34.09 | SpeedEvil | +CGREG: 0,0 |
| 03:35.46 | Writchie | means you're not registered |
| 03:35.59 | SpeedEvil | hang on |
| 03:36.17 | SpeedEvil | you mwan with the network? |
| 03:36.23 | Writchie | yeah |
| 03:37.57 | SpeedEvil | I can make calls. |
| 03:38.10 | Writchie | have you attached to the gprs service? |
| 03:38.20 | Writchie | try +CGATT? |
| 03:38.23 | SpeedEvil | You mean atd? |
| 03:38.34 | Writchie | yes AT+CGATT? |
| 03:38.37 | SpeedEvil | This is after running the failing gprs script |
| 03:38.48 | SpeedEvil | AT+CGATT? |
| 03:38.48 | SpeedEvil | +CGATT: 0 |
| 03:38.54 | Writchie | before, except i think the script reset may be problematic |
| 03:39.02 | Writchie | so you're not attached. |
| 03:39.09 | Writchie | try AT+CGATT=1 |
| 03:39.28 | SpeedEvil | thinks and comes back |
| 03:39.40 | SpeedEvil | at+cgreg? |
| 03:39.41 | SpeedEvil | +CGREG: 0,1 |
| 03:40.27 | Writchie | and what from AT+CGATT? |
| 03:40.53 | SpeedEvil | 1 |
| 03:41.05 | Writchie | should be good to go for context activation - |
| 03:41.24 | SpeedEvil | ok - I'm trying inserting that in the script before the APN setting/... |
| 03:42.21 | Writchie | time to rethink ppp vs. ip - which one worked before |
| 03:42.26 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 03:42.28 | SpeedEvil | ip |
| 03:42.31 | SpeedEvil | I changes that back |
| 03:42.32 | Writchie | when it switches to data mode this will matter |
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| 03:42.51 | Writchie | if its not ppp i don't know how your ip and dns get set |
| 03:44.27 | SpeedEvil | Well - 'ip' worked before |
| 03:44.50 | Writchie | always best to try first what worked before |
| 03:45.13 | Writchie | biggest problems I've ever had were trying to figure out why something that shouldn't work actually did work |
| 03:45.43 | Writchie | is the machine you are using online to the Internet |
| 03:45.47 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 03:45.56 | Writchie | it probably resolves dns through the other connection |
| 03:45.58 | linux_galore | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/openup/openmoko-developer-preview-kit-unboxing-wow-thats-a-lot-of-stuff-286443.php |
| 03:46.07 | SpeedEvil | I added DNS servers manually |
| 03:46.33 | Writchie | are you routing manually |
| 03:46.51 | SpeedEvil | I just added the default route to ppp0 |
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| 03:50.34 | SpeedEvil | at+cgatt=1 should be before or after the +cgdccont? |
| 03:51.13 | SpeedEvil | Ok |
| 03:51.22 | SpeedEvil | I get stuff on doing atdt... that looks pppish |
| 03:51.32 | SpeedEvil | so it's a script problem now |
| 03:51.45 | SpeedEvil | Many thanks! |
| 03:51.56 | Writchie | np |
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| 04:09.39 | anrp | maybe its just me, but looking at the datasheet it seems like LCDSADDR is getting setyup completely wrong... |
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| 04:11.40 | anrp | no...wait. hmm.. |
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| 04:15.50 | geofft | sorry I had to leave earlier... anyway, is there a usable 240x320 display theme? |
| 04:16.06 | geofft | I downloaded one (a patch from bugzilla) but I don't think it's taken effect. |
| 04:17.59 | anrp | i have a completely broken Xfbdev right now, i'm just prodding the hardware |
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| 04:38.50 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: |
| 04:39.00 | Writchie | have you played with the charge? |
| 04:39.34 | Writchie | i have 2 devices that we took to a show. Turned them off. Now batteries completely dead |
| 04:39.54 | Writchie | I have never seem them take any more than 40ma when off |
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| 04:40.37 | Writchie | i remember also from first time that it took several hours of charge at 40ma before they would last long enough to boot |
| 04:41.44 | SpeedEvil | 'off' as picked by the power menu, leaves the modem on. |
| 04:41.52 | SpeedEvil | this will drain the battery in a day or so. |
| 04:41.57 | SpeedEvil | or two |
| 04:41.58 | Writchie | that explains it. |
| 04:42.04 | SpeedEvil | maybe other stuff too. |
| 04:42.13 | SpeedEvil | It has a baseline of 30mA draw from the battery. |
| 04:42.26 | Writchie | have you seen a slow charger over 50ma |
| 04:42.32 | Writchie | s/charger/charge |
| 04:42.57 | Writchie | it seems to only draw 40-50ma - not the 100ma it could |
| 04:43.03 | Writchie | both of my two devices |
| 04:43.04 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 04:43.17 | Writchie | that sucks - i means 24 hours |
| 04:43.30 | Writchie | if the gsm is indeed off |
| 04:43.45 | Writchie | which may explain why removing battery helps |
| 04:44.11 | SpeedEvil | It seems that it needs to have the CPU active to turn on fast charge mode. |
| 04:44.22 | Writchie | it also seems that even if you get it running it won't fast charge unless battery is over a certain voltage |
| 04:44.26 | SpeedEvil | u-boot, and entering 'fast-charge mode' |
| 04:44.37 | SpeedEvil | it takes 500mA or so. |
| 04:44.50 | SpeedEvil | but then if you turn it off, it will still take 500mA |
| 04:44.54 | Writchie | i don't think it will do this unless the voltage > n |
| 04:45.01 | SpeedEvil | but unplug and replug in that condition, and it's back to 40mA |
| 04:45.37 | Writchie | how did you get u-boot into fast charge mode |
| 04:45.52 | SpeedEvil | Look on the 'bootloader' page |
| 04:45.54 | SpeedEvil | on the wiki |
| 04:47.01 | Writchie | doesn't work, it won't enumerate |
| 04:47.16 | Writchie | seems to need battery up to enough voltage first |
| 04:47.34 | SpeedEvil | The CPU has to be running to enumerate |
| 04:52.28 | blindcoder | moin |
| 04:52.37 | SpeedEvil | Moin. |
| 04:52.54 | ferric | mooo. |
| 04:52.58 | xkr47 | moornijng |
| 04:53.02 | ferric | i just got the cc charged email! |
| 04:53.12 | xkr47 | I got it last saturday |
| 04:53.26 | ferric | xkr47: you have your phone? |
| 04:53.44 | xkr47 | no, just charged so far |
| 04:53.53 | xkr47 | I mean "charged email" |
| 04:54.10 | ferric | cheers! |
| 04:54.16 | xkr47 | cheers :) |
| 04:54.17 | ferric | ah, I see. |
| 04:54.37 | ferric | I wonder if they'll ship next week. |
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| 05:08.31 | telconta1 | are they taking that long to ship from chargedate? |
| 05:08.38 | telconta1 | i just got charged last night... |
| 05:09.08 | xkr47 | telconta1, check the P1_Owners page on the wiki to get a clue |
| 05:10.04 | thomasg_ | hm, OE fails at u_boot, because of cramfs. seems to be known, is there a solution? |
| 05:10.50 | telconta1 | lol ouch..thanks for the pointer |
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| 05:14.00 | xkr47 | np :) |
| 05:14.57 | ferric | telconta1: i think the shipment date is mid-aug |
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| 06:38.49 | CM | Wooh! UPS will hand me the phone in about 2 hours.. :D |
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| 06:50.15 | CM | ScaredyCat: Same as I did, getting it to work now |
| 06:50.44 | ScaredyCat | thanks, now I know where to intercept :) |
| 06:50.55 | ScaredyCat | I have mine.... I'm after yours too :D |
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| 06:51.14 | CM | ScaredyCat: :-P |
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| 06:52.19 | ScaredyCat | who was having battery problems? |
| 06:53.11 | ScaredyCat | my neo is fine after being on all noght |
| 06:53.22 | ScaredyCat | s/noght/night |
| 06:53.43 | thomasg | without beeing plugged to usb? :) |
| 06:53.56 | cayco | hi gusy! am i thinking wrong that my copy of gllin is broken or this should behave like this: http://pastebin.com/m3db2692c |
| 06:54.16 | cayco | s/gusy/guys ;) |
| 06:54.43 | ScaredyCat | thomasg : yes |
| 06:54.57 | ScaredyCat | I've just plugged it in to ssh to it |
| 06:55.44 | rwhitby | cayco: what makes you think that's broken? |
| 06:55.53 | rwhitby | have you tried the script at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS ? |
| 06:56.02 | ferric | CM: congrats! |
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| 06:56.17 | cayco | rwhitby: it seems that it exit but i was trying to put it in interactive mode |
| 06:56.46 | CM | ferric: Thanks :D Ordered it early, but only got back from vacation yesterday |
| 06:57.06 | ferric | CM: i just got my cc charged email, too. |
| 06:57.14 | ferric | assuming the phones ship next week |
| 06:57.16 | cayco | rwhitby: yes I tried that, it kinda works but to me (and other GPS programs it looks like there is no fix) |
| 06:57.33 | rwhitby | cayco: do we know that there is a working interactive mode? |
| 06:57.47 | rwhitby | cayco: are you getting nmea lines coming out of it? |
| 06:58.09 | rwhitby | if so, take it outside and wait for a while, until you see 'FIX' in one of the nmea lines |
| 06:58.10 | ScaredyCat | there's no parameter i ; look at the outhput |
| 06:58.21 | cayco | rwhitby: for example my data is: $GPGGA,064015.00,,,,,00,00,5.0,,M,-0.018112,M,0.0020540,*40 but someonelses data is $GPGGA,230649.00,3716.307825,N,12156.791167,W,1,07,0.5,040.0,M,-0.537000 |
| 06:58.21 | cayco | ,M,0.0130515,0130*77 |
| 06:58.29 | CM | rwhitby: Slightly silly, but did I add your info correctly? Any scratches on it? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Robustness |
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| 06:58.41 | cayco | rwhitby: mine has many ,,,, in it, so i assume this is null data... |
| 06:58.50 | rwhitby | cayco: are you sure it has a fix yet? |
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| 07:00.03 | cayco | rwhitby: i do knot know, i left it for night to dump much gps data but there was no usable GPGGA data. I also do not have this GUI program to check other things... |
| 07:00.18 | cayco | rwhitby: ehhh, it;s like walking in the fog :) |
| 07:00.18 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: how did you do that? powermanagement activated? |
| 07:00.24 | hrw | cayco: inside of building it is hard to get good fix |
| 07:00.37 | hrw | cayco: here I can get 1-2 satellites only |
| 07:00.40 | SpeedEvil | Take it outside. |
| 07:00.43 | ScaredyCat | thomasg: no... I just left it on. |
| 07:00.45 | SpeedEvil | At least to lock. |
| 07:00.48 | cayco | hrw: they got ifx on Youtube movie ;) |
| 07:00.50 | thomasg | awsome |
| 07:01.09 | thomasg | it didn't work more than 3 hours for me |
| 07:01.17 | SpeedEvil | once it's got lock, it can get position inside - sometimes. |
| 07:01.25 | ScaredyCat | when I got it I plugged it into my laptop and left it plugged in for a day |
| 07:01.36 | rwhitby | CM: I updated it |
| 07:01.55 | CM | rwhitby: Thanks :) |
| 07:02.09 | cayco | hrw: i'll try that, but could someone possibly send me that GUI app so I could check sattelites and all? (for testing purposes only) |
| 07:02.22 | rwhitby | cayco: which GUI app? |
| 07:02.33 | ScaredyCat | thomasg: I'm just about to install the power logging scripts |
| 07:02.57 | hrw | cayco: read about NMEA please |
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| 07:03.00 | cayco | rwhitby: i thought there was GUI app for gllin... |
| 07:03.24 | daMaestro | uboot fixed yet? |
| 07:03.26 | cayco | rwhitby: I saw it on youtube |
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| 07:03.54 | rwhitby | cayco: I was using Maemo Mapper on my n800 via BT |
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| 07:04.42 | cayco | hrw: ok i will, i jsut can't wait to make it work ;) |
| 07:04.59 | rwhitby | cayco: then take it outside so it can get a fix |
| 07:05.34 | cayco | rwhitby: ok, hope it helps, thx ! |
| 07:05.45 | daMaestro | so, i finally got internet working on my neo, the browser likes to crash with any site that uses flash |
| 07:05.45 | daMaestro | lol |
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| 07:08.29 | thomasg | daMaestro: I just checked out the newest OE and running bb openmoko-devel-image now. I'll tell you if it works now |
| 07:08.52 | daMaestro | thomasg, thanks |
| 07:08.55 | daMaestro | i can do the same too |
| 07:08.58 | thomasg | building OE really takes years -.- |
| 07:09.08 | daMaestro | oh, i've just been updating |
| 07:09.17 | thomasg | I need one of this dualcore machines, I guess :) |
| 07:09.20 | daMaestro | the first build took me ~15 hours |
| 07:09.51 | daMaestro | i've got a dual core 3.2GHz ... at it still too that long |
| 07:10.00 | daMaestro | though, i'm running the build sys in a kvm |
| 07:10.04 | daMaestro | (kernel virtual machine) |
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| 07:11.52 | thomasg | 1,8 ghz singlecore here |
| 07:12.27 | CM | daMaestro: How much ram for the kvm? |
| 07:12.36 | daMaestro | CM 1GB |
| 07:12.49 | thomasg | as much as I have in my whole machine ^^ |
| 07:12.55 | CM | Ok. Takes about 7.5h for me to build from scratch |
| 07:13.03 | daMaestro | i've actually only given it once processor.. so i dunno |
| 07:13.08 | thomasg | CM: hardware? |
| 07:13.21 | CM | Native, 64-bit gentoo on a 2GHz old amd64 300+ with 1gb ram |
| 07:13.29 | xkr47 | 300+ :) |
| 07:13.37 | CM | :P +0 |
| 07:13.45 | thomasg | <- 64bit gentoo, 1,8ghz old 3000+, 1 gb ram :) |
| 07:13.56 | daMaestro | CM http://smolt.fedoraproject.org/show?UUID=48639b59-b11b-44c6-ba45-c7a972b6cc1b |
| 07:14.02 | daMaestro | thomasg, ^ too |
| 07:14.07 | xkr47 | that's not too old |
| 07:14.18 | CM | xkr47: Over 3 years |
| 07:14.30 | CM | March 2004 I think |
| 07:14.38 | thomasg | do you use bitbake and so on from OE or the gentoo version (stable/~arch)? |
| 07:14.40 | ScaredyCat | it took 308 minutes on my dual Xeon 2.4ghz 2gb ram |
| 07:14.46 | Dmitry_Platonov | thomasg, latest OE did not work in qemu for me. |
| 07:14.58 | CM | thomasg: ~amd64 bitbake |
| 07:15.04 | thomasg | ok, the same for me |
| 07:15.09 | CM | :) |
| 07:15.12 | thomasg | seems to be the best way (imho) |
| 07:15.43 | thomasg | what a pitty that psyco is not available at amd64 :( |
| 07:15.59 | daMaestro | yeah, i was told to run the guest x86 ... so... |
| 07:16.12 | thomasg | NOTE: Running task 1170 of 3502 <- current state |
| 07:17.09 | xkr47 | what distro is best supported for openmoko building atm ? |
| 07:17.27 | daMaestro | i've got most things packaged for fedora right now |
| 07:17.28 | ScaredyCat | there's a chroot dl |
| 07:17.35 | daMaestro | but they are not in the repos yet |
| 07:17.40 | xkr47 | ScaredyCat, oh nice, where ? |
| 07:17.43 | daMaestro | still working on some patches (cleaning them up) |
| 07:17.47 | ScaredyCat | errmm... |
| 07:17.53 | thomasg | debian is told to be debian-focused - don't know if this is true |
| 07:17.55 | thomasg | erm |
| 07:17.58 | thomasg | openembedded I mean |
| 07:18.29 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_Openmoko_Emulation_with_chroot_image |
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| 07:18.50 | thomasg | but imho gentoo is a good choise, especially because it featuers the most needed tools in new versions |
| 07:19.51 | xkr47 | so I thought a 32bit chroot would be nice |
| 07:20.23 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: it's not that time wasting as it is told :) |
| 07:20.35 | ScaredyCat | it was for me... |
| 07:20.41 | thomasg | I spend about 10 minutes the week for gentoo |
| 07:20.44 | Hadaka | argh, webkit recipe in org.openembedded.dev seems to be broken :( |
| 07:20.50 | Dmitry_Platonov | Gentoo builds OE just fine |
| 07:20.58 | CM | Re-installing from scratch is a bit of a pain, I admit |
| 07:20.59 | ScaredyCat | I can't sit around without my laptop for 3 days while everyhting gets built :( |
| 07:21.03 | thomasg | hehe |
| 07:21.14 | Hadaka | NOTE: package webkit-0.0+svn20070807-r1: task do_compile: failed |
| 07:21.18 | thomasg | I do updates one time the week (while I sleep) |
| 07:21.29 | ScaredyCat | you sleep? pfft |
| 07:21.30 | Hadaka | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.31 | Hadaka | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.32 | CM | ScaredyCat: I had a 300mhz old dell laprop with 128m ram running gentoo |
| 07:21.56 | Hadaka | the cd command fails |
| 07:21.57 | ScaredyCat | how many weeks did it take to get installed CM ? |
| 07:21.57 | thomasg | I tried arch, but it simply wasn't "my" distro |
| 07:22.06 | doc|home | arch, gentoo, without the advantages |
| 07:22.25 | rushforth | pkgbuild > ebuild (imo) |
| 07:22.30 | ScaredyCat | emo |
| 07:22.34 | CM | ScaredyCat: It took about 1 week to compile system and basic X and Fluxbox |
| 07:22.53 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: the gentoo install on my thinkpad (p3 1.1 ghz, 640 mb ram) including X and e17 took about 6 hours |
| 07:23.04 | ScaredyCat | hopefully you have some other pc to use too CM |
| 07:23.36 | ScaredyCat | I had a 700mhz R41 |
| 07:23.36 | CM | ScaredyCat: A few :) |
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| 07:23.52 | thomasg | since the gentoo way is stage3 instead of stage1 now, it's much faster than it was in past :) |
| 07:24.12 | hrw | thomasg: especially with -OMG switch to gcc? |
| 07:24.37 | daMaestro | http://www.htctouch.com/ ... just so everyone knows |
| 07:24.37 | thomasg | ^^ |
| 07:24.37 | ScaredyCat | well, isn't the point that you build it *all* from source :) |
| 07:24.45 | CM | ScaredyCat: The old laptop worked great btw. Running Fluxbox, 2 terminals, took about 26mb ram total |
| 07:25.06 | CM | So ffox could suck the other 102.. |
| 07:25.08 | hrw | I like my debian boxes |
| 07:25.20 | xkr47 | I have one, a nslu2 :) |
| 07:25.24 | thomasg | CM: I hate firefox, even on my thinkpad it really sucks |
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| 07:25.43 | thomasg | so I still hope for a good webkit based one |
| 07:25.50 | Dmitry_Platonov | s/3Hz/3GHz/ |
| 07:26.00 | ScaredyCat | yeah, firefox is getting just as bad as ie now |
| 07:26.06 | CM | thomasg: Epiphany? |
| 07:26.06 | hrw | xkr47: my nslu2 runs openslug |
| 07:26.13 | ScaredyCat | not that I've used ie in 10 years :P |
| 07:26.18 | thomasg | CM: I'm not a gnome-user |
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| 07:26.35 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: I'm sitting at a windows machine right now |
| 07:26.38 | ScaredyCat | CM: I suppose I should have used distcc or somehting |
| 07:26.41 | thomasg | with 3 IE windows opened :) |
| 07:26.45 | daMaestro | we had better get the damn cube |
| 07:27.00 | rushforth | here's hoping: http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/WebKit |
| 07:27.01 | daMaestro | really.. everyone look at http://www.htctouch.com/ (tmobiles answer to the iphone) |
| 07:27.06 | ScaredyCat | thomasg: zomg! you mean it supports more than one window ;) |
| 07:27.15 | thomasg | well, not really :) |
| 07:27.16 | CM | ScaredyCat: I did, but it wasn't working so well with my 64-bit |
| 07:27.20 | thomasg | more inofficially |
| 07:27.30 | ScaredyCat | CM: :/ |
| 07:27.34 | CM | ScaredyCat: Easier to just leave it under the sofa compiling for a week |
| 07:27.35 | thomasg | you can open more than window, but you can't use it, because the windowmanager is totally fucked up |
| 07:27.41 | rwhitby | xkr47: I test MokoMakefile on Debian Etch and CentOS 4. |
| 07:27.44 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 07:27.51 | ScaredyCat | @ both |
| 07:28.26 | xkr47 | rwhitby, ok, but I guess they weren't running on a nslu2 ?-) |
| 07:28.38 | ScaredyCat | there's only 1 windows machine in this house... and it's for my wife.. |
| 07:28.52 | ScaredyCat | I don; think she's ready for linux... |
| 07:28.56 | xkr47 | I have a windoze for gameplay |
| 07:29.00 | ScaredyCat | linux certainly isn;t ready for her |
| 07:29.15 | rushforth | my wife runs ubuntu :) |
| 07:29.28 | rushforth | put a firefox link on the desktop, let her have at it |
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| 07:29.51 | rwhitby | xkr47: I have built openembedded on an nslu2 running slugos before. |
| 07:30.03 | thomasg | personally I don't have windows - but in my company I have to use it |
| 07:30.07 | rwhitby | and could easily do so on one running debian etch for that matter. |
| 07:30.16 | xkr47 | rwhitby, ok :) |
| 07:30.22 | daMaestro | thomasg, i still get the uboot issue: |
| 07:30.24 | daMaestro | | Applying patch patches/uboot-cramfs_but_no_jffs2.patch |
| 07:30.24 | daMaestro | | patching file fs/cramfs/cramfs.c |
| 07:30.24 | daMaestro | | Hunk #1 FAILED at 27. |
| 07:30.24 | daMaestro | | 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file fs/cramfs/cramfs.c |
| 07:30.27 | ScaredyCat | I tried testing it out on her, she liked majong so I set it up so she should start up an X session on he windoes box.. |
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| 07:30.38 | thomasg | daMaestro: I had the same error before some hours |
| 07:30.40 | xkr47 | ScaredyCat, :D |
| 07:30.45 | ScaredyCat | I caught her playing under windows.... |
| 07:30.47 | thomasg | I updated my org.oe.dev-tree and now it seems to work |
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| 07:31.09 | daMaestro | thomasg, any reason why mokomakefile would have not done that for me? |
| 07:31.21 | daMaestro | make update-makefile && make update setup openmoko-devel-image is what i've run |
| 07:31.26 | thomasg | erm, mokomakefile uses an overlay |
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| 07:31.40 | thomasg | it's not the blank org.oe.dev-tree, so I don't know |
| 07:31.53 | daMaestro | thomasg, so how do i do the update? |
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| 07:32.24 | thomasg | you can try going into the openembedded dir and do a mtn pull && mtn update |
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| 07:32.41 | daMaestro | thanks, doing so now |
| 07:32.46 | thomasg | but I don't know if this is the best way, as it doesn't use the mokomakefile |
| 07:33.00 | thomasg | maybe rwhitby (*hilight*!) can help :) |
| 07:33.37 | thomasg | NOTE: Running task 1228 of 3502 (ID: 2437, /home/moko/stuff/org.openembedded.dev/packages/uboot/uboot-openmoko_svn.bb, do_compile) |
| 07:34.29 | thomasg | I'm going to get a coffee :) |
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| 07:35.08 | daMaestro | i've had little time to learn bitbake and all of the build tools |
| 07:35.14 | daMaestro | so mokomakefile has been in use for me |
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| 07:40.21 | thomasg | I hate the coffee-rule in my office. the one who gets the last cup has to make new. I'm always the last... :) |
| 07:41.05 | Hadaka | heh, it seems the webkit failed to build (atleast it build further now) because the day changed during the build and the directory name changed because it used SRCDATE |
| 07:41.07 | xkr47 | same at our office :) |
| 07:41.22 | CM | thomasg: Maybe you have a huge 1-litre mug? :D |
| 07:41.26 | xkr47 | lol Hadaka |
| 07:41.27 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception |
| 07:41.35 | thomasg | CM I have, but not at office :) |
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| 07:41.53 | leppoc_ | hi ! |
| 07:42.41 | thomasg | in my car I have a 0.75l heat-saving mug - it probably saved my life more than one time :) |
| 07:42.54 | thomasg | hi leppoc |
| 07:43.12 | leppoc_ | how is everything going ? |
| 07:44.17 | leppoc_ | I have a problem with my pixmaps under Xnest... |
| 07:44.20 | daMaestro | thomasg, i get "mtn: help required for 3-way merge" |
| 07:44.32 | thomasg | daMaestro: sry, can't help :) |
| 07:44.39 | leppoc_ | I have tried everything under http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo#Set_your_theme_to_OpenMoko, without success... |
| 07:44.45 | thomasg | I can tell you not to use nano, better use vim ^^ |
| 07:44.57 | thomasg | but how you should merge the files: don't really know |
| 07:45.16 | leppoc_ | lol thomasg, on the phone ? vim ? |
| 07:45.48 | thomasg | yes, therese vi on the phone |
| 07:45.57 | thomasg | but no, we are talking of the build environment |
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| 07:46.24 | daMaestro | thomasg, yeah.. it brings up vim.. but i have no idea what to merge |
| 07:46.26 | leppoc_ | yes I know, but it's funny for something meant to be used only with a keyboard ;) I am a vim user btw :) |
| 07:46.37 | leppoc_ | ok :) |
| 07:47.12 | thomasg | daMaestro: on the left side are the merged files, in mid the new and at right side the old file. I THINK (don't know), that you have to save the merge to the right file |
| 07:47.50 | daMaestro | thomasg, thanks. i read that also, but i'm not able to deal with it tonight |
| 07:47.59 | daMaestro | it's almost 2am and i'm still working on other $work stuff |
| 07:48.04 | thomasg | hehe |
| 07:48.10 | thomasg | its about 10am here |
| 07:48.19 | leppoc_ | 2am. where do you live ? |
| 07:48.30 | leppoc_ | 3:48 for me :D |
| 07:48.34 | daMaestro | denver, co |
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| 07:48.53 | Kero | My Neo! I have it!!! |
| 07:48.59 | thomasg | me too :) |
| 07:49.02 | leppoc_ | yeaaaaaaaahhhh |
| 07:49.06 | thomasg | but for a week now :) |
| 07:49.26 | daMaestro | oh yeah, anyone else get billed twice? |
| 07:49.38 | thomasg | we had no problem at all |
| 07:49.45 | thomasg | worked all perfectly for us |
| 07:50.35 | leppoc_ | no idea about my problem guys ? |
| 07:51.09 | jeddy3 | will ups accept CC to pay VAT at my door? |
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| 07:52.22 | leppoc_ | jeddy3: I think so yes, but I am not sure. I mean, you can pay a chipping with your CC, so why not... |
| 07:52.30 | thomasg | jeddy3: I'm not sure, too, but I think so |
| 07:52.48 | jeddy3 | leppoc, thomasg, yeah i suspect so also |
| 07:53.37 | jeddy3 | just thought it would be a bummer when they arrive in two hours, and i had no means of paying :) |
| 07:53.54 | leppoc_ | ha ha ! two hours ! nice :D |
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| 07:54.33 | jeddy3 | leppoc, indeed :) |
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| 07:55.40 | leppoc_ | I wish the next two month could be as two hours :) (and then go back in time, not to get too old too fast...) |
| 07:56.08 | thomasg | hm, it really seems that the openembedded guys fixed the uboot problem. 1339 of 3502 now :) |
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| 07:56.17 | jeddy3 | leppoc, :D |
| 07:57.29 | thomasg | I should create a t-shirt with "P1-Owner" printed on it :) |
| 07:57.54 | thomasg | but I fear that could cost your life on the streets ^^ |
| 07:58.18 | Kensan | fyi, Neo1973 Base, Orange, RT#1872 has been shipped. |
| 07:58.54 | Kero | jeddy3: they demanded cash here, in the Netherlands. But we're not that fond of CCs as, say, the USA. |
| 07:59.46 | ynezz | what's latest known #RT ? |
| 08:00.35 | jeddy3 | Kero, aah, good to know...they should accept CC here (sweden) as it's kindoff primary payment means nowadays...but maybe i'll go to an ATM just in case |
| 08:02.07 | ScaredyCat | Kero: iirc they also offer to take your bank details... |
| 08:02.21 | ScaredyCat | .. but I thik you'd need to be insane |
| 08:03.01 | xkr47 | ynezz, check P1_Owners |
| 08:03.05 | xkr47 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.53 | thomasg | will the last 2000 openembbed tasks be handeled faster then the first 1000? |
| 08:05.14 | thomasg | otherwise it will at least the the rest of this day (10am now) |
| 08:05.31 | thomasg | s/will/will take |
| 08:05.51 | Dmitry_Platonov | thomasg, NOTE: Running task 3492 of 3522 |
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| 08:08.12 | ScaredyCat | harold appears to have missed the point of the complaints also... |
| 08:08.25 | ScaredyCat | harald even |
| 08:08.38 | leppoc_ | ok, good night/morning/day/whatever ;) I am going to sleep :) |
| 08:08.43 | thomasg | Dmitry_Platonov: bastard!!! :P |
| 08:08.54 | thomasg | n8 leppoc_ |
| 08:09.31 | thomasg | Dmitry_Platonov: when did you have the last error/segfault/problem? |
| 08:11.09 | thomasg | hm, I never have |
| 08:11.15 | thomasg | but I meant in openembedded :) |
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| 08:11.52 | Dmitry_Platonov | thomasg, it's not fresh build - just update |
| 08:11.54 | thomasg | in the first 1000 tasks I've had 5 errors (1 bug, 4 problems I could fix) and 1 segfault |
| 08:12.26 | thomasg | I really hope to get this finished today |
| 08:13.25 | Dmitry_Platonov | I had like 2 problems - mostly with downloading. No segfaults ever. |
| 08:13.59 | Dmitry_Platonov | 2 problems today. 3-4 every day earlier |
| 08:14.35 | mwester | ScaredyCat: glad I'm not the only one left with that impression after reading his email. I'm afraid there was no misconception of any of those facts on my part, but it does nothing to shed light on any outstanding questions! |
| 08:14.51 | Dmitry_Platonov | none of my earlier images run properly in qemu :-( |
| 08:15.05 | thomasg | I fear that openembbeded will eat up the rest of the free space on my HD :) |
| 08:15.12 | Dmitry_Platonov | I mean, OM - OE head images. |
| 08:15.15 | thomasg | 1500/3500 and 15 gb left |
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| 08:25.41 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 08:25.49 | thomasg | moin moin |
| 08:32.10 | CM | Kero: Have mine too now, got it 20 minutes ago :) |
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| 08:33.26 | CM | jeddy3: I had to pay 722 SEK cash :-/ |
| 08:33.51 | jeddy3 | CM, yeah :/ |
| 08:34.29 | CM | The Neo powers on, but not really booting. Unless it takes more than 3 minutes.. |
| 08:38.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Feilsky]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management]] [[Neo1973_Robustness]] |
| 08:38.54 | Kheldar | 722 SEK is about 90 EUR :/ |
| 08:40.35 | thomasg | CM, thats normal |
| 08:40.44 | CM | ~change 722 SEK to EUR |
| 08:40.50 | thomasg | you should get a kernel panic at beinning |
| 08:41.00 | CM | apt: Too bad |
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| 08:41.21 | CM | thomasg: I got that orange open moko logo, then nothing |
| 08:41.32 | xkr47 | CM, 722 for what, ups handling ? |
| 08:41.40 | CM | xkr47: VAT |
| 08:41.40 | thomasg | well, the neo comes with only the bootloader |
| 08:41.59 | thomasg | first you have to flash your own kernel and rootfs |
| 08:41.59 | CM | thomasg: Do I have to hold the aux button or something? |
| 08:42.09 | thomasg | you can do that to get the bootmenu |
| 08:42.14 | CM | thomasg: I know that, just have to get to it :) |
| 08:42.16 | thomasg | hold the aux button, then power on |
| 08:42.22 | CM | ok, nice |
| 08:42.25 | thomasg | after a short vibration you will see the bootmenu |
| 08:42.28 | CM | I'll look at that SH1 page |
| 08:42.29 | Dmitry_Platonov | gt4 sure takes long to compile |
| 08:43.54 | Dmitry_Platonov | s/gt4/qt4 |
| 08:43.54 | Dmitry_Platonov | s/gt4/qt4/ |
| 08:43.59 | Dmitry_Platonov | lol |
| 08:44.16 | daxxar | haha |
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| 08:47.30 | thomasg | 1700 of 3502 |
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| 08:51.14 | mdt | who wants qt on a neo? use greenphone instead.... :/ |
| 08:51.22 | Dmitry_Platonov | thomasg, webkit does not builds for me :-/ |
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| 08:52.19 | ScaredyCat | mdt: incorrect... |
| 08:52.40 | mdt | ScaredyCat, why? :D |
| 08:52.48 | ScaredyCat | who wants a green phone. |
| 08:52.54 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 08:53.10 | mdt | ScaredyCat, oh, the greenphone itsself isn't that bad.... |
| 08:53.32 | ScaredyCat | no,no... it's *green* |
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| 08:53.37 | mdt | ScaredyCat, i have one left over since my neo arived... :D |
| 08:53.45 | mdt | ScaredyCat, you can paint it easily |
| 08:53.55 | ScaredyCat | hhehe |
| 08:53.57 | LarstiQ | ScaredyCat: insane for giving UPS bank details? |
| 08:54.02 | ScaredyCat | thomasg: ping |
| 08:54.05 | ScaredyCat | LarstiQ: yes |
| 08:54.27 | ScaredyCat | would you give an underpaid person your full bank details? |
| 08:55.01 | LarstiQ | I wouldn't hand it to the person at the door, and all they need is my giro number |
| 08:55.11 | thomasg | ScaredyCat: whats up? *pong* |
| 08:55.15 | LarstiQ | perhaps a signature :) |
| 08:55.33 | ScaredyCat | that power logging script |
| 08:55.38 | ScaredyCat | never use it |
| 08:55.39 | ScaredyCat | ever |
| 08:55.50 | thomasg | hehe |
| 08:55.55 | thomasg | what happened? |
| 08:56.20 | ScaredyCat | it drained my battery in <1 hour and now the phone wont boot |
| 08:57.57 | thomasg | don't worry |
| 08:58.20 | thomasg | if the battery is discharged, you have to charge and wait 5-10 minutes until you can boot again |
| 08:58.25 | hads | Probably needs to charge for a bit. |
| 08:58.28 | jeddy3 | if you have a non-bootable phase1 neo, you cannot do the "backing up your ROM part", right? |
| 08:58.57 | thomasg | jeddy3: I guess you need u-boot for the backup |
| 08:59.14 | thomasg | so it depends what non-bootable is for you :) |
| 08:59.30 | jeddy3 | thomasg, but u-boot is functional on the neos shipping now right? |
| 08:59.47 | ScaredyCat | jeddy3: you don't need the rom backup.. |
| 08:59.55 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, how so? |
| 08:59.56 | thomasg | jeddy3: yes, it is |
| 09:00.09 | thomasg | hold the aux button, then turn the neo on |
| 09:00.12 | thomasg | you will get a boot menu there |
| 09:00.13 | CM | I don't really want to touch uboot unless I really have to |
| 09:00.18 | ScaredyCat | because there's nothing on there you can't get |
| 09:00.22 | CM | I mean re-flash it |
| 09:00.25 | thomasg | and I'd recommend you not to flash u-boot |
| 09:00.29 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, ah ok, not even gps driver? |
| 09:00.41 | thomasg | you can do what you want with the kernel and the rootfs, but dont touch uboot |
| 09:01.02 | ScaredyCat | if it's that facked... is having a backup going to help :) |
| 09:01.10 | jeddy3 | thomasg, yes of course, i was worried about the non-distributable gsp driver only |
| 09:01.55 | thomasg | I think you can get the driver. the only thing is, that it isn't opensource |
| 09:02.03 | jeddy3 | thomasg, ok |
| 09:02.10 | thomasg | but I haven't tried gps yet |
| 09:02.32 | jeddy3 | so if i don't touch uboot, everything is downloadable and can be fixed? |
| 09:03.26 | thomasg | yes |
| 09:03.45 | thomasg | u-boot is only the bootloader (and the basic flashing utility) |
| 09:04.10 | thomasg | the rest is in the kernel and on the rootfs and this can be flashed as often as the NAND-flash is able to :) |
| 09:04.22 | hads | Lots |
| 09:05.34 | jeddy3 | thomasg, yes i know, but apparently some parts could not be distributed on the internet (gps driver), thus the backup of ROM, but it looks like this is a non-issue on phase 1 |
| 09:06.30 | thomasg | I'm sure they won't use parts that may not be distributed via the internet |
| 09:07.08 | thomasg | the proprietary gps driver is a problem (that needs to be fixed), but I don't think that there are distribution problems with it |
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| 09:13.41 | CM | jeddy3: I'm quite sure you can convince someone in here to send the blob to you if you need it ;) |
| 09:13.54 | jeddy3 | CM, :) |
| 09:14.06 | daxxar | Is both gta01 and gta02 usb1.1? |
| 09:14.48 | mjr | yes |
| 09:15.44 | CM | Because of the samsung soc |
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| 09:18.43 | mdt | i'm using directfb on the neo. someone expiriences with that? the ts does not seem to work... |
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| 09:19.47 | sannes | CM: Finally got yours now? :) |
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| 09:31.02 | CM | sannes: Yes, 1 hour ago. Still at work though, so no time to play yet |
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| 09:49.40 | mdt | there is a /dev/input/mice on the neo - what is that for? a ts->mouse-something? |
| 09:50.28 | rxr | the usual linux kernel device mixing all mouse a-like events together ? |
| 09:50.53 | ScaredyCat | it's so you can get mice to do the typing for you |
| 09:51.00 | mdt | rxr, ah, yes, you are right... hm, x/y seems to get screwed up there... |
| 09:51.24 | ScaredyCat | they have tiny mouse hands, so can press the right keys on the tiny keyboard |
| 09:51.39 | mdt | ScaredyCat, a hairy little creature in my neo? :D |
| 09:51.53 | ScaredyCat | yes, a pocket hairy thing |
| 09:52.07 | mdt | ScaredyCat, cool |
| 09:52.32 | ScaredyCat | it'll be the next craze, just you wait... tamagochi is so passe |
| 09:53.15 | mdt | ScaredyCat, oh, what is that release then? GTA0m? |
| 09:53.30 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 09:54.26 | ScaredyCat | it might need to be an eeeksternal upgrade... |
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| 09:57.10 | florian | good monring |
| 09:58.20 | xkr47 | hello |
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| 10:18.26 | thomasg | so, I'm at qt4 in OE now, too |
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| 10:37.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Removal_of_free_space]] [[Current_events]] [[Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management]] [[Neo1973/fr]] [[Main_Page]] [[Wishlist:Least_Cost_Routing]] [[P1_Owners]] |
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| 10:41.17 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 10:54.26 | thomasg | 2013 of 3502, yeah :) |
| 10:54.45 | thomasg | it's going straight forward, until now without errors since 1180 |
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| 11:01.22 | Elrond | Hi pH5! :-) |
| 11:01.38 | mickeyl | yo pH5 |
| 11:01.41 | mickeyl | morning guys |
| 11:01.59 | Elrond | Hi mickeyl! :) |
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| 11:02.21 | TRIsoft | hi mickey |
| 11:03.53 | pH5 | hej mickeyl, Elrond |
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| 11:04.18 | mickeyl | hi TRIsoft ! |
| 11:04.36 | Elrond | pH5 - BTW: Good news: My hacky tools get something like a signal. I can do a by-hand scan for possible visible satelites. ;-) |
| 11:05.08 | pH5 | awh, terrific! |
| 11:05.35 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 11:05.53 | pH5 | hi SpeedEvil |
| 11:06.15 | Elrond | I'm currently targetting the power-on sequence though. I'm playing around with sleep()s there and stuff to make it more rekiable. The kernel uses another sequence than gllin. I guess, the truth is in between. ;) |
| 11:06.38 | pH5 | Elrond: did you ever manage to turn on the chip with the kernel sequence? |
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| 11:07.35 | Elrond | I think so. But I quickly switched back to the one in neo1973.py (hhtrst.c based), because it was even worse with the kernel one. |
| 11:08.10 | SpeedEvil | I'm missing why you don't simply copy gllin - it works? |
| 11:08.21 | mmazur | Anyone in for a One Neo Per Child project? |
| 11:08.30 | SpeedEvil | At least enough to get a position - which seems what's needed. |
| 11:09.09 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - This is one of the points that confuses me. I have copied the strace from gllin quite exactly. And it does only work in 50% of the cases. |
| 11:09.17 | Elrond | ... while gllin works more often. |
| 11:09.51 | Elrond | I need to look more carefully at gllin's toiming and not only copy sleep()s. |
| 11:09.59 | thomasg | mickeyl: how much time will the last 1300 tasks in openembedded take? :) at moment it's running through without problems (the u-boot bug from yesterday has been fixed tonight it seems) |
| 11:10.13 | SpeedEvil | odd. |
| 11:10.25 | mickeyl | yes, i poinpointed the git date |
| 11:10.27 | mickeyl | that fixed it |
| 11:10.44 | mickeyl | anyways, depending on your machine, a full build takes ~3 hours here |
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| 11:10.58 | Elrond | Inserting a 150ms sleep fixes most things for me. But that's way more than any timestamps in gllin. |
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| 11:13.22 | Tyrae1 | Hi, is there a ipkg feed with 2.6.21.6-moko10 modules? |
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| 11:13.45 | raster | bewmoo |
| 11:13.50 | Elrond | I start to consider the decision to use the HH in the Neo an intesting one. With the HH we have more fun than just with a cooked chio giving us nmea. ;-) |
| 11:13.58 | mickeyl | good morning raster |
| 11:14.12 | raster | mickeyl: good eviening mick :) |
| 11:14.14 | Elrond | Tyrae1 - buildhost was... now: No idea. |
| 11:14.25 | raster | mickeyl: btw - u know uboot build + patches are broken right now? :) |
| 11:14.49 | Tyrae1 | Elrond: I found this: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/machine/fic-gta01/ |
| 11:14.56 | Hadaka | hmmh |
| 11:15.06 | Tyrae1 | but is only to 2.6.21.5 |
| 11:15.36 | mickeyl | raster: yes, thanks. |
| 11:15.45 | Hadaka | I built a OM2007.2 image - but my image is 40 megabytes, instead of the 28 or so that I've seen elsewhere - I wonder what am I doing wrong... |
| 11:15.46 | raster | :) |
| 11:15.51 | mickeyl | it's in our OE snapshot. I've been working on org.oe.dev since a while |
| 11:16.00 | mickeyl | and we're close to deprecating the OE snapshot officially |
| 11:16.14 | raster | aaah ok |
| 11:16.18 | mickeyl | I'll try to fix it anyways when i have a chance |
| 11:16.23 | raster | i was going to set up some cvs efl builds |
| 11:16.33 | raster | well ones that work off dev cvs |
| 11:16.33 | mickeyl | I did it all for you |
| 11:16.39 | raster | or just work off my local checked out tree |
| 11:16.52 | raster | i guess anoncvs would be ok |
| 11:16.56 | mickeyl | when I knew [censored] I added all EFL to CVS :) |
| 11:16.58 | raster | including e17 too? |
| 11:17.05 | mickeyl | yes, e17 should be there as well |
| 11:17.09 | raster | aaah cool |
| 11:17.18 | mickeyl | if not as cvs, it's one file to change |
| 11:17.24 | raster | i screwed my oe builds several times with my Ld_LIBRARY_PATH |
| 11:17.26 | raster | MAKEFLAGS |
| 11:17.26 | raster | MAKE |
| 11:17.28 | raster | etc. |
| 11:17.36 | raster | always something doesnt like my make -j 4 :) |
| 11:17.48 | mickeyl | hehe, yeah. OE is finnicky when it comes to overloading vars |
| 11:18.09 | raster | yeah |
| 11:18.17 | raster | so i cleaned it out a few times to start fresh |
| 11:18.20 | raster | and i hit the uboot thing |
| 11:18.30 | raster | and decided to just get back to coding on e anyway |
| 11:19.02 | mickeyl | ya. give us a few days and we officially announce that we're back to org.oe.dev for a while |
| 11:19.04 | thomasg | raster / mickeyl: I'm building org.oe.dev right now and u-boot is fixed (as you said mickey) and works for me |
| 11:19.06 | Hadaka | how large of a rootfs can the default GTA01 uboot partition size handle? |
| 11:19.11 | raster | will do |
| 11:19.16 | raster | no point me futzing with it then |
| 11:19.32 | daxxar | Yay, the loot has been acquired! |
| 11:20.05 | mickeyl | Hadaka: Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 11:20.07 | mickeyl | /dev/mtdblock4 61.0M 42.5M 18.4M 70% / |
| 11:21.29 | Hadaka | mickeyl: thanks |
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| 11:23.11 | raster | thomasg: |
| 11:23.11 | raster | NOTE: package uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-r12_0_200708071120: task do_quilt: started |
| 11:23.12 | raster | ERROR: function do_quilt failed |
| 11:23.12 | raster | ERROR: log data follows (/home/raster/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-r12_0_200708071120/temp/log.do_quilt.24606) |
| 11:23.25 | raster | NOTE: package uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-r12_0_200708071120: task do_quilt: failed |
| 11:23.26 | raster | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 11:23.28 | raster | :/ |
| 11:23.38 | thomasg | raster: yesterday evening I got the same error |
| 11:23.44 | thomasg | todays morning it was fixed |
| 11:23.48 | raster | hmm |
| 11:23.50 | raster | that was just now |
| 11:23.53 | raster | a minute ago |
| 11:23.55 | thomasg | but remember: I do not use the openmoko overlay |
| 11:24.00 | thomasg | I use blank org.oe.dev |
| 11:24.06 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2658 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/ (README src/buttonactions.c src/buttonactions.h): neod: short press on AUX now gets back to today, long press on AUX opens dialer |
| 11:24.13 | raster | i'm with the default |
| 11:24.25 | thomasg | thats the problem, it is not fixed there, I think |
| 11:24.35 | raster | yeah |
| 11:24.37 | raster | thats the problem |
| 11:24.38 | raster | :) |
| 11:24.42 | raster | but i want the overlay |
| 11:24.47 | raster | as i want all the stuff there |
| 11:24.47 | thomasg | why? ;) |
| 11:25.34 | Elrond | mickeyl - Ahh, good that this keypress handling has moved out of the panel-plugin into some daemon. |
| 11:25.50 | raster | thomasg: i want all the moko utils/progs/libs etc. |
| 11:25.52 | Elrond | mickeyl - Can individual apps hook into the aux button? |
| 11:25.53 | thomasg | the difference is, that the OM overlay contains the old om2007 files and so on. in org.oe.dev are the 2007.2 files |
| 11:26.14 | raster | i have an old om dev |
| 11:26.32 | raster | device |
| 11:26.40 | raster | so i want to make sure it will work |
| 11:26.41 | mickeyl | Elrond: not yet, i'd like to have it that way eventually |
| 11:26.43 | thomasg | doesnt matter I think |
| 11:26.56 | thomasg | om2007 shoud run on phase0 as well |
| 11:27.01 | raster | i had enough fun reflashing it and having a battery that wont charge and won't boot |
| 11:27.02 | thomasg | erm, 2007.2 I mean |
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| 11:29.19 | ewon | SpeedEvil: you are not sacrificing the required number of virgin albino goats. |
| 11:29.31 | raster | thomasg: it'll be fixed soon anyway |
| 11:29.35 | raster | got enough to do :) |
| 11:29.38 | thomasg | ;) |
| 11:29.57 | raster | i need to generate new valgrind suppressions |
| 11:30.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 689 has been created by <autobuild-report> |
| 11:30.01 | cdbot2 | * * uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-r12_6c33c78557ca6f8da68c01ce33e278695197d3f4_0_2632-do_quilt |
| 11:30.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=689 |
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| 11:32.56 | Hadaka | Oooh, OpenMoko 2007.2 splash screen in boot, looking cool |
| 11:33.03 | mmazur | Pics! |
| 11:33.36 | thomasg | raster: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:MokoMakefile&curid=2028&diff=16187&oldid=15769#uboot-gta01_fails_to_build |
| 11:33.36 | Hadaka | ssh not up yet, can't do screenshots :) |
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| 11:34.13 | daxxar | Uh, wth, did you guys get a plectrum with your headphones? :P |
| 11:34.31 | ScaredyCat | yah |
| 11:34.31 | thomasg | btw. I like 2007.2 - very easy and nice to use with fingers only. 2007 sucks in that point |
| 11:34.33 | daxxar | Is that like for our air-guitar playing when we're using our neo to play hawt tunes? |
| 11:34.38 | ScaredyCat | that's the 'opening tool' |
| 11:34.44 | daxxar | Haha :-p |
| 11:34.44 | Hadaka | [openmoko-today] <defunct> |
| 11:34.46 | raster | thomasg: or... just wait a day or 2 :) |
| 11:34.46 | daxxar | For the battery? |
| 11:34.49 | mmazur | Where can 2007.2 be downloaded from? |
| 11:34.50 | Hadaka | seems like openmoko-today crashes |
| 11:35.02 | thomasg | raster: hehe, thats what I do for normal, too :) |
| 11:35.04 | raster | i have valgrindy ugliness to shut up |
| 11:35.04 | Hadaka | yeah, segmentation fault on startup |
| 11:35.06 | mmazur | I assume there's no more work done to the old codebase? |
| 11:35.07 | raster | valgrind hates dlopen |
| 11:35.22 | thomasg | daxxar: for the backcover |
| 11:35.24 | raster | in fact anythng libdl based |
| 11:35.31 | ewon | raster: *everybody* hates dlopen |
| 11:35.37 | raster | nah |
| 11:35.38 | raster | i love it |
| 11:35.40 | mickeyl | Hadaka: broken, need to use 20070801 version |
| 11:35.41 | raster | its my best friend |
| 11:35.54 | Hadaka | mickeyl: thanks |
| 11:36.03 | Elrond | mmazur - Officialy, bugfixes are welcome, but nobody work on it for real. |
| 11:36.16 | ewon | raster: why? I always wondered why the point of it was... surely you can just use the dynamic linker.. why manually load dyn libraries and go to the trouble of finding symbols etc |
| 11:36.17 | thomasg | raster: what are you doing? porting 999.040 to oe/om? |
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| 11:36.52 | raster | ewon: dude... you know not the power of dlopen then :) |
| 11:36.59 | ewon | raster: clearly.. |
| 11:37.08 | ewon | any URLs you can point me at? |
| 11:37.10 | raster | thomasg: well i want to set up a streamlined build for e17 for my moko |
| 11:37.34 | raster | thomasg: and work on the start wizard to configure e to work best on "embedded" |
| 11:37.43 | raster | ewon: no - but i can point to code |
| 11:37.56 | ewon | raster: do, please |
| 11:38.13 | raster | ewon: btw - i do NOT use dlopen to load libjpeg, libpng, libc, libxine etc. etc. - i am not using it to replace libdl.so and compile-time linking |
| 11:38.26 | raster | ewon: evas for starters |
| 11:38.30 | raster | e17 for another |
| 11:38.30 | thomasg | raster: have you already started to write this first-start dialog? |
| 11:38.37 | raster | all the little extras in e17 are modules |
| 11:38.41 | raster | configu dialogs |
| 11:38.43 | raster | exebuf |
| 11:38.46 | raster | alt-tab winlist |
| 11:39.01 | raster | the laucnher bar, pager, battery meter, cpufreq handler, temperature metere |
| 11:39.03 | raster | etc. |
| 11:39.16 | raster | in evas image loaders/savers and engines are loadabel modules |
| 11:39.21 | thomasg | I hope you will follow my wish on the e-dev-ml and do categories for all that modules :) |
| 11:39.22 | raster | evas loads only what it needs, when its needed |
| 11:39.27 | mmazur | Elrond, anybody uploading images of .2? |
| 11:39.32 | raster | u dont need to link and resolve symbols in libs u dont need |
| 11:39.36 | ewon | ah, so you can use it for on-the-fly plugins.. |
| 11:39.43 | raster | and inf act u can ADD engines and loaders RUNTIME |
| 11:39.46 | raster | yup |
| 11:39.49 | raster | on-the fly |
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| 11:39.49 | ewon | interesting |
| 11:39.54 | raster | loaders are generic |
| 11:40.00 | raster | its a directory tree of .so files |
| 11:40.11 | raster | evas just scans the dir tree finds the .so's and loads what it needed |
| 11:40.12 | raster | when needed |
| 11:40.25 | raster | thomasg: and no - not started with that first-start module yet |
| 11:40.30 | raster | thomasg: been on the todo for a long time |
| 11:40.46 | raster | thomasg: as for categories - its a godo idea - but for now- on the back-burner |
| 11:40.57 | raster | ewon: for e17 all these features are loaded modules |
| 11:41.09 | raster | if i dont want th efeature - it doesnt even need to be on disk int he package |
| 11:41.12 | raster | it can be an extra package |
| 11:41.14 | raster | adde dlater |
| 11:41.19 | raster | and that can extend the wm runtime |
| 11:41.21 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2659 10/trunk/oe/packages/uboot/uboot-gta01_svn.bb: oe/uboot: pinpoint last known good revision until someone catches up with our patches |
| 11:41.28 | raster | i weant to add some feature - install module |
| 11:41.33 | raster | delete it from the dialog |
| 11:41.34 | raster | bingo |
| 11:41.37 | raster | u have it |
| 11:41.40 | raster | i dont need to patch the wm |
| 11:41.42 | raster | and rebuild |
| 11:41.47 | ewon | raster: I stand enlightened :) |
| 11:41.52 | thomasg | at least I like the idea of every function in a loadable module. it's a pitty, that the fm will stay built-in :) |
| 11:41.53 | raster | i can extend as i go |
| 11:42.05 | raster | it allows users, 3rd parties etc. to extend and add features not imagined by the original authors |
| 11:42.20 | raster | thomasg: the fm core is a whole widget |
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| 11:42.30 | raster | its needed for the file selectors, and other selector widgets |
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| 11:42.53 | xzcvczx | is jffs2 filesystem in the normal kernel? or is there a way to extract the files? |
| 11:43.03 | thomasg | raster: yes, I know. however, I think E will be very small, soon ;) (not that it wasn't small right now) |
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| 11:43.10 | zecke | hey |
| 11:44.33 | raster | thomasg: even with the fm in it - its not that big |
| 11:44.43 | raster | considering that with the fm u basically get a filemanager for free |
| 11:44.46 | raster | along with the wm |
| 11:44.57 | raster | it makes it easy to just browse your media, files, etc. |
| 11:45.02 | raster | its just incredibly useful |
| 11:45.06 | raster | it mayaswell be there |
| 11:45.08 | raster | like the wm |
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| 11:45.37 | daxxar | Hm, what's the cause of the 'shutdown when idle in uboot'-feature? |
| 11:45.40 | daxxar | uboot itself? |
| 11:45.53 | jeddy3 | shrug, flashed with too new devel-image, anyone knows which is the latest with 2.6.21.6-moko10? second latest? |
| 11:46.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 690 has been created by <autobuild-report> |
| 11:46.01 | cdbot2 | * * uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-r12_0_2632_0-do_fetch |
| 11:46.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=690 |
| 11:46.10 | xzcvczx | jeddy3: do you want moko11? |
| 11:46.18 | thomasg | raster: I wasn't using a fm for years now, so we'll see if e_fm will be able to change that :) |
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| 11:46.46 | daxxar | Any way to make mokomakefile not build e.g. uboot? (since I don't need it) |
| 11:47.00 | raster | thomasg: still- the fm is the list widget/selector for wallpapers |
| 11:47.04 | raster | for starters |
| 11:47.05 | jeddy3 | xzcvczx, latest devel-image had modules for 2.6.21.6-moko11, but latest kernel was 2.6.21.6-moko10 |
| 11:47.27 | xzcvczx | jeddy3: no moko11 used to be up til buildhost died |
| 11:47.32 | raster | file selector - u will need one for many things there anyway |
| 11:47.33 | xzcvczx | i have moko11 if you want it |
| 11:47.40 | raster | in this way we recycle code directly |
| 11:47.42 | raster | for file selector |
| 11:47.46 | raster | wallpaper selector |
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| 11:47.58 | raster | in fact any selector where its directly on the filesystem |
| 11:48.05 | raster | without writing multiple versions of it |
| 11:48.06 | jeddy3 | xzcvczx, ok, i'm using the ones from unofficial mirror |
| 11:48.11 | daxxar | Is chooseopen.com the only / recommened host for prebuilt images? |
| 11:48.19 | jeddy3 | xzcvczx, yes please :) |
| 11:48.31 | xzcvczx | jeddy3: gimme a min, |
| 11:49.02 | xzcvczx | jeddy3 -> pm |
| 11:49.29 | jeddy3 | was buildhost more recent than choseopen before it went down? |
| 11:49.43 | jeddy3 | xzcvczx, thanks! |
| 11:49.48 | xzcvczx | jeddy3: uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin is the full name of what i am sending you |
| 11:49.58 | xzcvczx | well what your are downloadin |
| 11:50.03 | xzcvczx | i am just too lazy to name in that way |
| 11:50.19 | xzcvczx | jeddy3: its /tmp stuff seemed to be |
| 11:50.26 | jeddy3 | xzcvczx, ok |
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| 11:53.05 | Dmitry_Platonov | thomasg, your build finished? |
| 11:53.21 | thomasg | Dmitry_Platonov: no, but it's still running |
| 11:53.30 | thomasg | even webkit built w/o a problem |
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| 11:53.53 | thomasg | 2447 of 3502 |
| 11:54.01 | Dmitry_Platonov | hm, my webkit is still broken |
| 11:54.35 | gadfly | hello everybody. does anyone have a solution for the "uboot-gta01 fails to build" problem? I'm using MokoMakefile |
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| 11:55.00 | daxxar | "Mounting proc on /proc failed: Device or resource busy" - does that cause a problem? (getting it during boot) |
| 11:55.05 | thomasg | gadfly: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:MokoMakefile&curid=2028&diff=16187&oldid=15769#uboot-gta01_fails_to_build |
| 11:55.07 | Hadaka | oh man, I really am a newbie with this darn OE |
| 11:55.08 | gadfly | I don't want to build uboot anyway - I'm going to flash just the kernel and jffs2 image. |
| 11:55.36 | gadfly | thomasg: I looked there. It tells me which revision to use, but I'm newbie to oe, so I need more explicit instructions |
| 11:55.37 | Hadaka | took me ages to find out about mrproper - and then I can't get the date fixing to work |
| 11:55.46 | daxxar | I'm also getting I/O errors on mmcblk0 during boot. |
| 11:56.38 | gadfly | so far I just "holloed out" the bb file for uboot-svn, and it seems to work, but it will be overwritten next time I do "make update" |
| 11:56.40 | xzcvczx | gadfly: getting same |
| 11:56.51 | thomasg | gadfly: maybe you should just wait |
| 11:56.56 | Hadaka | daxxar: if you are getting I/O errors you have probably run in to the u-boot bug - you need to clear out your rootfs totally before flashing in a new rootfs |
| 11:57.07 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception |
| 11:57.10 | gadfly | I got the neo just yesterday - you can understand I'm kinda impatiant.. |
| 11:57.12 | daxxar | Hadaka: It's booting. Isn't mmcblk0 the SD-card? |
| 11:57.40 | Hadaka | daxxar: oh, right, sorry, didn't read too carefully |
| 11:57.58 | xzcvczx | gadfly: just use prebuilt for now |
| 11:57.59 | Hadaka | daxxar: writing to the SD-card will cause I/O errors if you do it too fast - that's a known bug in bugzilla |
| 11:58.08 | xzcvczx | gadfly: if you are that impatient |
| 11:58.35 | thomasg | gadfly: there are ready-to-use images online |
| 11:58.41 | gadfly | xzcvczx: where do you get your images? I tried this: http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build but didn't find compatible kernel/rootfs pair. And it is a week old ;) |
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| 11:59.11 | gadfly | so right now I have a booting phone but no sound since no modules. |
| 11:59.12 | xzcvczx | gadfly: grab the latest .jffs2 (aug5 i think) and i will supply you a kernel that is compatible |
| 11:59.16 | thomasg | gadfly: doesnt matter if it's a week old |
| 11:59.19 | daxxar | Hadaka: It's during boot, and it's unpartitioned? |
| 11:59.33 | Hadaka | denis^da: then that sounds a bit weird |
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| 11:59.36 | Hadaka | whops |
| 11:59.41 | Hadaka | daxxar meant |
| 11:59.42 | gadfly | xzcvczx: already grabbed. thanks for the offer, I'll take it. |
| 11:59.49 | denis^da | :) |
| 11:59.54 | denis^da | np Hadaka |
| 12:00.12 | xzcvczx | gadfly: dont spread the link please |
| 12:00.16 | thomasg | oh denis^da, you are very helpful today :) |
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| 12:02.22 | denis^da | thomasg, yeah I recognized that ;) |
| 12:02.33 | daxxar | Hm, is the 'backspace shows blocks in terminal'-bug on bugzilla? (can't find it) |
| 12:02.39 | denis^da | thomasg, thats the way I am :D |
| 12:03.08 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: /me too |
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| 12:04.38 | SpeedEvil | (the kernel link) |
| 12:04.57 | Hadaka | hrm, now I'm pretty sure I did get the older revision, but still segfaults... |
| 12:05.24 | jonib1 | How often can the rootf be flashed? Will I damage the memory if I flash too often? (Bit of a newbie to embedded systems, still...) |
| 12:05.42 | SpeedEvil | tens of thousands of times |
| 12:05.43 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: you are demanding this evening arent you :P |
| 12:05.49 | SpeedEvil | I think it's a hundred thousand. |
| 12:05.57 | SpeedEvil | Or is it a million? |
| 12:05.59 | SpeedEvil | Anyway. |
| 12:06.00 | SpeedEvil | Lots. |
| 12:06.13 | jonib1 | ok... nothing to worry about then if I reflash ten times a day! thanks. |
| 12:06.18 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 12:06.23 | SpeedEvil | u-boot is a seperate thing. |
| 12:06.27 | jonib1 | why? |
| 12:06.33 | SpeedEvil | you can only flash that a thousand times. |
| 12:06.38 | jonib1 | different memory? |
| 12:06.43 | SpeedEvil | the first block is special, and does not have ECC |
| 12:06.53 | jonib1 | ok, I see. |
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| 12:07.18 | SpeedEvil | the remaining NAND capacity is not guaranteed. It's guaranteed that the capacity of the whole device exceeds X after Y writes. |
| 12:07.36 | daxxar | Haha, that 'stroke recognizer' is funny |
| 12:07.38 | daxxar | A straight line: 2 |
| 12:07.39 | SpeedEvil | But any individual block is not guaranteed to work - even after the first write |
| 12:07.50 | gadfly | xzvcxz: did you see my question on the private channel? |
| 12:08.04 | jonib1 | and the uboot is guaranteed that every block is ok for 1000 writes...? |
| 12:08.10 | jonib1 | is it also NAND flash? |
| 12:08.14 | SpeedEvil | no - just the first block |
| 12:08.15 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:08.18 | xzcvczx | gadfly: no you are not registered with nickserv... if it doesnt need to be in pm just say it here |
| 12:08.34 | jonib1 | i get it... thanks SpeedEvil. |
| 12:09.03 | SpeedEvil | As the bootloader inside the chip can't use ECC |
| 12:09.16 | gadfly | xzvcxz: no problem. The first part was: thanks!, the second was a question whether you can tell me how to compile the kernel directly, since kernel compiles I know but bitbake I'm still learning. Thanks. |
| 12:09.40 | xzcvczx | gadfly: this was a precomp up on buildhost before it went down |
| 12:09.48 | gadfly | xzvcxz: that is, how do I avoid the u-boot issue that prevents me from just doing "make openmoko-devel-image" |
| 12:09.56 | gadfly | xzvcxz: oh. |
| 12:10.13 | gadfly | xzvcxz: thanks anyway. |
| 12:10.37 | gadfly | xzvcxz: in the middle of flashing the jffs2, hope I get a working (mp3 playing gps device) phone :) |
| 12:11.31 | xzcvczx | gadfly: it doesnt come with gps software |
| 12:11.41 | xzcvczx | gadfly: and mp3 wont work from gui |
| 12:11.57 | xzcvczx | that i know of anyway |
| 12:12.01 | Hadaka | mickeyl: only openmoko-today2 from 20070801 or do I need to downgrade something else (like a library) as well? |
| 12:12.13 | gadfly | xzcvcxz: I don't care about gui. And gps afai understand should work - NMEA through serial, no? |
| 12:12.20 | mickeyl | Hadaka: no, that should be it. i had the same problem here |
| 12:12.34 | zecke | mickeyl: ho |
| 12:12.35 | SpeedEvil | gadfly: See GPS on the wiki |
| 12:12.48 | mickeyl | zecke: good morning! |
| 12:12.48 | Hadaka | mickeyl: okay, still segfaults for me - I'll investigate more |
| 12:12.58 | gadfly | SpeedEvil: thanks. |
| 12:13.25 | zecke | mickeyl: I have most things packed, I'm nervous and will probably at three o'cloc |
| 12:13.28 | zecke | k |
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| 12:13.43 | serenity__ | hi |
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| 12:14.24 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: have you completed the d/l yet? |
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| 12:14.37 | serenity | i want to create some advertising for the openmoko, where can i find the animated logo? |
| 12:14.37 | aloril | serenity: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 12:14.37 | SpeedEvil | 12% [===> ] 196,608 10.75K/s ETA 02:06 |
| 12:14.47 | Mukunda | How good would the Neo1973 be as an ebook reader? Or would I be better of getting a PDA? |
| 12:14.54 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: yeah yeah bite me i know its slow |
| 12:15.05 | SpeedEvil | Mukunda: not at the moment. |
| 12:15.12 | SpeedEvil | Mukunda: come back in several months |
| 12:15.18 | mickeyl | zecke: ok, cool. provided the DB is not on strike (which can be, they announced it yesterday *sigh*) I might come thursday evening. |
| 12:15.35 | SpeedEvil | There is no software at the moment. |
| 12:15.44 | Mukunda | SpeedEvil: I was thinking hardware wise, just with respect to the screen for reading from. |
| 12:15.51 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.52 | Mukunda | For long periods of time. |
| 12:15.54 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
| 12:15.59 | SpeedEvil | It's _very_ clear. |
| 12:16.04 | zecke | mickeyl: awesome, If 'my' car doesn't break and I don't crash I might pick you up |
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| 12:16.18 | mickeyl | zecke: ok, cool! |
| 12:16.23 | SpeedEvil | I was reading ebooks on it earlier - using firefox. |
| 12:16.23 | Mukunda | Okay, thanks. |
| 12:16.30 | SpeedEvil | Though that is a silly way to do it. |
| 12:17.03 | zecke | did I say I'm nervous? |
| 12:17.39 | Mukunda | Indeed, haha. Hmm, I hope that the onscreen keyboard for it will be better later on, right now I think it's rubbish. |
| 12:17.45 | serenity | or is there a seperate channel for advertising stuff? |
| 12:17.47 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 12:18.04 | Mukunda | I can't program to fix it though unfortunately, but hopefully I'll learn. |
| 12:18.35 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2660 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 12:18.35 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-07 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 12:18.35 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/dialer-main.c: (main): |
| 12:18.35 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_call_progress_changed), |
| 12:18.35 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (moko_dialer_init): |
| 12:18.37 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Make sure the dialer window hides on delete, instead of calling |
| 12:18.39 | CIA-24 | openmoko: gtk_main_quit (). |
| 12:18.44 | abraxa_ | zecke: Why nervous? Because of meeting Mickey? |
| 12:18.45 | SpeedEvil | xvkbd is nicer - IMO - and easily configurable. |
| 12:18.48 | SpeedEvil | Less pretty |
| 12:18.52 | ossman | who in here is working on the marvell 8686 and/or the atheros ar6k? |
| 12:19.03 | zecke | abraxa_: no because of going to a strange place :) |
| 12:19.31 | TRIsoft | zecke: Frankfurt ? :D |
| 12:19.31 | abraxa_ | zecke: What strange place would that be? The CCCC? |
| 12:19.37 | Stephmw | ... as opposed to THE big cheese |
| 12:19.40 | zecke | and I didn't get el to join me |
| 12:19.42 | zecke | yupp |
| 12:20.36 | daxxar | I think my mmc-problem was the card not seated properly. I really dislike the MMC seating. It was really fragile, and not very easy to insert your card into |
| 12:20.41 | abraxa_ | "Yupp, Frankfurt" or "Yupp, CCCC", zecke? ;) |
| 12:20.47 | SpeedEvil | It's horrible. |
| 12:20.56 | SpeedEvil | At least it needs a sticker on the inside of the case. |
| 12:20.56 | zecke | abraxa_: the camp |
| 12:21.01 | abraxa_ | Ah, groovy |
| 12:21.10 | zecke | I'm still shy and sensitive :} |
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| 12:21.14 | mdt | hm, anyone using rsync? i get a "rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at main.c(977) [sender=2.6.9]" with the neu... |
| 12:21.18 | xzcvczx | daxxar: i must agree |
| 12:21.36 | abraxa_ | zecke: How old are you anyway? The picture on your blog makes you look >25 |
| 12:21.43 | daxxar | mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcblk0p1 - whopee. |
| 12:21.46 | zecke | 24 |
| 12:21.47 | Hadaka | oh man, still segfaults, tried a couple earlier commits as well just in case the date pinning wasn't correct - still no bonus |
| 12:21.49 | abraxa_ | ohh |
| 12:22.10 | daxxar | This filesystem will be automatically checked every 27 mounts or |
| 12:22.10 | daxxar | 180 days, whichever comes first. Use tune2fs -c or -i to override. |
| 12:22.14 | daxxar | But there's no tune2fs :-( |
| 12:22.24 | xzcvczx | lol nice |
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| 12:23.03 | *** part/#openmoko Mukunda (n=mukunda@60-234-155-226.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 12:23.36 | SpeedEvil | Is the latest chooseopen build 2007.2 - or is that internal only ATM |
| 12:23.47 | daxxar | Huum. Opening and closing the keyboard seems to leave a lot of openmoko-keyboard zombie (Z) processes. |
| 12:23.53 | daxxar | xzcvczx: I did when you mentioned it. |
| 12:23.57 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: doesnt alphaone have 2007.2 up? |
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| 12:24.13 | xzcvczx | daxxar: your better off adding it into a file in profile.d/ |
| 12:24.34 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 12:25.04 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: i have one of alphaones images bbut i want to extract and inspect it before i flash it any idea how i can do this |
| 12:25.29 | zecke | xzcvczx: modprobe mtdram? |
| 12:25.35 | daxxar | xzcvczx: Mkay! |
| 12:25.41 | zecke | xzcvczx: dd the image into the mtd0 and then mount? |
| 12:25.43 | thomasg | if you have jffs2 support in your kernel, you could try to mount it as loop device |
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| 12:26.00 | xzcvczx | thomasg: do you know what jffs2 is called in ye average kernel? |
| 12:26.10 | thomasg | jffs2 :) |
| 12:26.12 | xzcvczx | zecke: can you not just loop it? |
| 12:26.22 | xzcvczx | thomasg: hmmm must not be in mainstream kernel then |
| 12:26.31 | zecke | xzcvczx: if it didn't change this year, you can't |
| 12:26.41 | zecke | xzcvczx: debian has mtdram modules installed (they used to) |
| 12:26.43 | thomasg | xzcvczx: I'm not sure. maybe it's in 2.6.21 or higher |
| 12:26.43 | xzcvczx | zecke: oh lol then there we go |
| 12:26.55 | xzcvczx | thomasg: ah ok well i am only running .20 |
| 12:27.16 | thomasg | you can check che 2.6.21 and 2.6.22 changelogs, maybe you find it there |
| 12:27.24 | thomasg | otherwise: just consult google |
| 12:27.45 | xzcvczx | thomasg: meh well i will try emerging the new kernel first |
| 12:28.46 | xzcvczx | thomasg: ah that will help i am running such an old kernel |
| 12:28.58 | thomasg | I'm running 2.6.19 |
| 12:29.31 | xzcvczx | i have like 15 kernels installed i have to do a clean up on this box at some stage |
| 12:29.33 | thomasg | even if gentoo switcht to 2.6.20, but I don't want to switch yet. never touch a running system :) |
| 12:29.48 | thomasg | rm -rf /usr/src/* :) |
| 12:29.59 | thomasg | wait |
| 12:30.02 | xzcvczx | thomasg: nah just make mrproper emerge --unmerge |
| 12:30.10 | thomasg | I looked in the 2.6.20 kernel sources |
| 12:30.16 | thomasg | jffs2 is in 2.6.20 |
| 12:30.20 | xzcvczx | oh? |
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| 12:30.25 | xzcvczx | i must have missed it then |
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| 12:30.32 | thomasg | FS->Miscellaneous,Journalling Flash File System v2 |
| 12:30.51 | thomasg | maybe you don't know that there is a search function in make menuconfig :) |
| 12:30.58 | zecke | well, jffs2 was in 2.4.18... |
| 12:30.59 | SpeedEvil | It is recent. |
| 12:31.03 | thomasg | just type / in it |
| 12:31.52 | SpeedEvil | Ok - booting image |
| 12:31.53 | xzcvczx | thomasg: ah good point but its not where its meant to be |
| 12:32.15 | Stephmw | thomasg: ooh, thanks for the tip |
| 12:33.18 | thomasg | 2735 of 3502 |
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| 12:34.29 | PBeck | hi |
| 12:34.33 | xzcvczx | thomasg: thanks found it now had to enable mtd |
| 12:34.39 | Richard | > sb2 needs gcc to support --sysroot. gcc versions <4.0 seems no work. |
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| 12:34.57 | thomasg | xzcvczx: good to know |
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| 12:35.17 | thomasg | ok, I'm away now for a while, will go home now |
| 12:35.49 | daxxar | hm, hcitool finds no devices, but hci_usb and bluetooth are loaded. |
| 12:35.58 | daxxar | This is moko10 |
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| 12:38.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:SNMoore]] [[Bootloader]] |
| 12:39.20 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. The Aug 5 image from chooseopen and that kernel result in a blank screen. (under X) |
| 12:39.24 | SpeedEvil | after the tscal |
| 12:39.38 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: not for me it doesnt |
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| 12:39.45 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 12:39.46 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: you must have stuffed it |
| 12:39.47 | serenity | hi |
| 12:40.17 | SpeedEvil | 1f161fe1eabca7a39da30762a0c687d3 openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 12:40.18 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 12:40.21 | serenity | where can i find the animated openmoko logo? |
| 12:41.08 | xzcvczx | 1f161fe1eabca7a39da30762a0c687d3 openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 12:41.15 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 12:41.26 | SpeedEvil | 5b1f879ead7dd9226df0ac5bade65795 uImage.bin |
| 12:41.28 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 12:41.37 | xzcvczx | 5b1f879ead7dd9226df0ac5bade65795 uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin |
| 12:41.51 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: how big was your previous flash image? |
| 12:42.04 | SpeedEvil | slightly smaller IIRC |
| 12:42.59 | SpeedEvil | hmm. |
| 12:43.06 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: if you ssh and kill xinit and /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm start does it work? |
| 12:43.14 | mdt | is anyone interested in DirectFB on the neo? i would write a wiki? |
| 12:43.25 | mdt | last ? -> ... |
| 12:43.35 | jeddy3 | xzcvczx, btw, it worked fine with your uImage, thanks |
| 12:43.57 | SpeedEvil | I get errors - maybe DFU broke it. |
| 12:44.02 | xzcvczx | jeddy3: good to know SpeedEvil is the thing at fault here |
| 12:44.12 | SpeedEvil | how did you upload it? |
| 12:44.18 | SpeedEvil | jeddy3. |
| 12:44.26 | jeddy3 | dfu-util |
| 12:44.30 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: well just based on me and jeddy3 working fine i think problem must be you related |
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| 12:44.53 | daxxar | Do you guys get usb working? hcitool scan says: |
| 12:44.54 | daxxar | Device is not available: No such device |
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| 12:45.29 | jeddy3 | SpeedEvil, i have aug5 image from choseopen also, just as you :/ |
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| 12:45.47 | xkr47 | mdt, maybe sometimes |
| 12:45.50 | ScaredyCat | ca661ef65eff1b37dfe2d2aab255a43a uImage-2.6.21.6-moko10-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin |
| 12:45.51 | jeddy3 | daxxar, hcitool has nothing to do with usb, no? |
| 12:45.55 | Ryback_ | daxxar: is hcid running? |
| 12:45.58 | ScaredyCat | oh 10 .. |
| 12:46.08 | daxxar | Err |
| 12:46.13 | daxxar | s/usb/bluetooth/ |
| 12:46.15 | daxxar | My bad. ;-) |
| 12:46.24 | jeddy3 | daxxar, =) |
| 12:46.29 | daxxar | And yes, it's running, Ryback_ :-) |
| 12:46.45 | daxxar | redfuing is scaringly close to refunding! o.0 |
| 12:46.48 | mdt | xkr47, at least one :D why are u interested? |
| 12:46.50 | Ryback_ | daxxar: 'hciconfig -a' shows you what? |
| 12:46.59 | daxxar | Ryback_: Nothing |
| 12:46.59 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, i renamed it to correct name, but that shouldn't make a difference |
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| 12:47.18 | ScaredyCat | ah ok... |
| 12:47.19 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, sorry wrong person, SpeedEvil |
| 12:47.23 | daxxar | (I'm running vanilla-compiled openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070731193153.rootfs.jffs2 w/ uImage-2.6.21.6-moko10-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin) |
| 12:47.25 | Ryback_ | daxxar: so your kernel didn't find any bluetooth adapters |
| 12:47.25 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 12:47.32 | xkr47 | I love the simplicity of fb access sometimes, maybe for some fullscreen app/game stuff |
| 12:47.47 | Ryback_ | daxxar: ls /sys/class/bluetooth ? |
| 12:47.52 | daxxar | Ryback_: bluetooth and hci_usb is loaded |
| 12:47.55 | xkr47 | (mdt) |
| 12:48.02 | daxxar | Ryback_: l2cap rfcomm rfcomm_dlc |
| 12:48.11 | raster | xkr47: but it comes with ... so little! |
| 12:48.25 | xkr47 | raster, dfb ? |
| 12:48.25 | raster | also it means breaking out of the windowing system that everything else lives in |
| 12:48.30 | Ryback_ | daxxar: yep, no bluetooth adapter found.. you should have a hci0 directory there (in /sys/class/bluetooth) |
| 12:48.32 | raster | dfb != fb |
| 12:48.33 | raster | imho |
| 12:48.45 | mdt | xkr47, oppisite to me: i dislike gtk ;) |
| 12:48.47 | raster | dfb == a different architecture of an X driver module put inot a shared lib |
| 12:48.48 | daxxar | Ryback_: Huh, strange. Should I try another rootfs & kernel? |
| 12:48.51 | xkr47 | dunno much about dfb, that's for sure.. :) |
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| 12:49.25 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: try renaming it to proper name seen above if that works tell me |
| 12:49.27 | Weteor | 60 |
| 12:49.28 | raster | i know with kernel patches u get the fusion messaging infra |
| 12:49.30 | Ryback_ | daxxar: do you know if the bluetooth adapter connection is via USB or UART? |
| 12:49.31 | raster | and can share between procs |
| 12:49.43 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: i would be VERY surprised if it was issue though |
| 12:49.52 | mdt | raster, it comes with everything youu need for a mobile |
| 12:49.53 | raster | and it has infra for plugins for surface data providers etc. |
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| 12:50.12 | raster | it coems with a fair bit |
| 12:50.17 | raster | but dfb != fb |
| 12:50.27 | daxxar | Ryback_: No idea, :-) |
| 12:50.39 | mdt | raster, shure. yes. fb is a linux-kernel thing. directfb uses fb. |
| 12:50.49 | raster | there is nothing dfb can do that x can't |
| 12:51.06 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: proper name? |
| 12:51.06 | raster | the difference being that x has by far and wide the lions share of toolkit, app etc. support |
| 12:51.08 | mdt | raster, not true: dfb is faster |
| 12:51.23 | Ryback_ | daxxar: I also have no idea... but if the connection is UART then you'd probably need hci_uart module loaded |
| 12:51.25 | raster | faster at what? |
| 12:51.29 | xzcvczx | uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin |
| 12:51.35 | raster | (that is not a simple matter of implementation of drivers)? |
| 12:51.39 | SpeedEvil | Doubtfull. |
| 12:51.42 | raster | (or software fallback code)? |
| 12:51.53 | SpeedEvil | I'm reflashing the jffs, then booting |
| 12:51.58 | Ryback_ | daxxar: unfortunately I have no device here to test :-) |
| 12:52.05 | SpeedEvil | there seemed to be some fs corruption. |
| 12:52.28 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: oh ok |
| 12:52.54 | daxxar | AFAIK it shuold use hci_usb |
| 12:53.11 | mdt | raster, in screen animations ;) i have a app here which wouldnt be possible with x on a neo. the arm is incredible slow compared to the screensize... |
| 12:53.20 | Ryback_ | daxxar: if you say so (I don't really know) |
| 12:53.37 | SpeedEvil | Does fb support different VTs? |
| 12:53.48 | SpeedEvil | can you simply create a new VT and switch to it? |
| 12:53.54 | mdt | SpeedEvil, maybe, yes, i don't know |
| 12:54.12 | mdt | SpeedEvil, it does support different apps on one directfb-screen |
| 12:54.29 | mdt | SpeedEvil, on my neo i uninstalled X and gtk and ... everything |
| 12:54.34 | daxxar | Hmm. Strange. |
| 12:54.36 | jeddy3 | daxxar, same for me with BT, btw |
| 12:54.40 | daxxar | jeddy3: Okay :-) |
| 12:54.49 | daxxar | mjr: What rootfs & kernel are you running? |
| 12:54.55 | daxxar | mjr: (Since you've got bt working;) |
| 12:55.16 | raster | mdt: and what does that app do? |
| 12:55.34 | raster | mdt: ok. let's throw out "acceleration" |
| 12:55.35 | mdt | raster, everything a phone needs to do in my opinion |
| 12:55.41 | raster | for now |
| 12:55.45 | raster | thats really driver dependant |
| 12:55.54 | raster | no |
| 12:55.55 | raster | moe specifically |
| 12:55.59 | raster | how does it draw? |
| 12:56.00 | raster | with gtk? |
| 12:56.02 | raster | xlib? |
| 12:56.08 | raster | xrender? |
| 12:56.09 | mdt | raster, neo has no acc in hw |
| 12:56.11 | raster | qt? |
| 12:56.14 | raster | i know |
| 12:56.16 | SpeedEvil | This is odd. |
| 12:56.18 | raster | not currently |
| 12:56.28 | SpeedEvil | Stuff is segfaulting in the boot scripts |
| 12:56.38 | mdt | raster, as i said no x... :D |
| 12:56.38 | raster | so i will assume for this conversation - we are simply talking the software pipelines in dfb and x |
| 12:56.46 | SpeedEvil | dfu-util -a 5 -R -D ./openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 completed with no error |
| 12:56.46 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: you got a log |
| 12:56.55 | mdt | raster, i use plain directfb right now |
| 12:56.57 | raster | how do you know the app is slower in x? |
| 12:57.02 | raster | how do u know it's not possible? |
| 12:57.05 | SpeedEvil | log of? |
| 12:57.09 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: you tried clearing your flash first? |
| 12:57.10 | raster | i have been doign x for a loooong time |
| 12:57.14 | SpeedEvil | No, I diddn't. |
| 12:57.15 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: the faults |
| 12:57.16 | mdt | raster, i see the performance of openmoko |
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| 12:57.17 | raster | and i have had peolpe tell me thngs like this often |
| 12:57.23 | raster | and always proved them wrong |
| 12:57.23 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: maybe try that just in case |
| 12:57.24 | raster | oh |
| 12:57.27 | raster | thats nothgni to do with x |
| 12:57.28 | raster | at all |
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| 12:57.36 | raster | thats 100% gtk, the pixmap engine |
| 12:57.41 | raster | and the theme setup |
| 12:57.46 | raster | and gtk display pipeline |
| 12:57.51 | raster | NOTHING to do with x11 |
| 12:57.53 | mdt | raster, u like x? |
| 12:57.56 | raster | yes |
| 12:58.00 | raster | its design is clean |
| 12:58.06 | mdt | raster, what for? |
| 12:58.15 | raster | with xcomposite/damage/render you have allthe api and extensions u need |
| 12:58.16 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: and maybe just redo the kernel just in case |
| 12:58.23 | raster | it is only a matter of better drviers |
| 12:58.28 | raster | and softare implementations of xrender |
| 12:58.30 | SpeedEvil | How do I wipe the partition - I don't see that in DFU |
| 12:58.45 | raster | its implementation of the back-end only that stops u |
| 12:58.53 | raster | and "sill coding" in client/toolkit space |
| 12:58.54 | daxxar | SpeedEvil: You need uboot console for it |
| 12:58.54 | mdt | SpeedEvil, dd? :D |
| 12:58.55 | xzcvczx | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko |
| 12:59.00 | raster | gtk's display pipeline is very bad |
| 12:59.08 | raster | its actually incredibly slow and very inefficient |
| 12:59.15 | raster | so do not assum gtk == x11 |
| 12:59.17 | SpeedEvil | ah - right - what's the command? |
| 12:59.32 | daxxar | nand erase rootfs |
| 12:59.40 | mdt | raster, okay, do a sample app and prove me you are as fast as directfb... ;) |
| 12:59.58 | raster | try evas |
| 12:59.59 | raster | :) |
| 13:00.05 | mdt | raster, i did, shure |
| 13:00.11 | xzcvczx | has anyone got usbnet/ssh working with a win host? |
| 13:00.13 | raster | sveeral demo apps |
| 13:00.23 | mdt | raster, it (compared to dfb) not documented at all |
| 13:00.37 | mdt | raster, takes me too much time to handle |
| 13:00.37 | raster | its also vastly different |
| 13:00.46 | mdt | raster, and: isn't better as directfb |
| 13:00.51 | raster | and actually has much higher-level infrastructure |
| 13:01.05 | raster | we are fixing the doucmentation slowly |
| 13:01.07 | raster | but |
| 13:01.12 | raster | thats beside the point |
| 13:01.18 | raster | evas i bet u will do all dfb does |
| 13:01.20 | raster | and more |
| 13:01.26 | raster | faster |
| 13:01.57 | mdt | raster, nice. i will take a look, when there is some documentation |
| 13:02.11 | raster | it has probably one of the best software rendering engines around |
| 13:02.23 | raster | what documentation do u need? |
| 13:02.30 | raster | evas_object_move(obj, x, y); |
| 13:02.34 | SpeedEvil | ok - boot now shows kernel panic, so it's gone. redfu. |
| 13:02.36 | mdt | raster, i tried alot with it. you can put it on fb or dfb. nice stuff... |
| 13:02.39 | raster | ios pretty obvious |
| 13:02.55 | raster | most of the pai cals should be self-documenting |
| 13:03.03 | mdt | raster, if u are in there, shure. but as a newbie developer it's a crap (sry) |
| 13:03.20 | raster | its not geard fro newb devs |
| 13:03.31 | raster | i assume you have competent c knowledge |
| 13:03.38 | raster | and know your way around |
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| 13:03.49 | raster | but as i said |
| 13:03.51 | raster | there are docs |
| 13:03.53 | raster | but not complete |
| 13:03.59 | mdt | raster, yes, c-knowledge shure. but no evas knowledge ;) |
| 13:04.03 | raster | but it does have a large amount of sample code |
| 13:04.19 | raster | there are tonnes of sample apps to learn from and build off |
| 13:04.20 | raster | as i said |
| 13:04.25 | raster | what do you NEED? |
| 13:04.29 | raster | if you tell me |
| 13:04.32 | raster | wa can address it |
| 13:04.34 | raster | as i see it |
| 13:04.39 | raster | you have tonnes of stuff available |
| 13:04.45 | mdt | raster, as i said: i did not come through. i startet dfb later and had success soon. |
| 13:04.56 | raster | only the newest/more "esotric" bits of evas are hard to use/no examples etc. |
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| 13:05.31 | raster | tell me what stopped you |
| 13:05.34 | raster | and it can be fixed |
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| 13:05.44 | raster | but the main point is |
| 13:05.47 | raster | x is not bad |
| 13:05.49 | raster | x is just fine |
| 13:06.09 | raster | dont compare gtk on the moko to dfb and your app and say "x sucks". |
| 13:06.21 | raster | evas proves that x can sing, dance and do whatever you like |
| 13:06.47 | Ryback_ | amem :-) |
| 13:06.59 | raster | a lot of peolpe really dont know how to make x do it |
| 13:07.02 | raster | but it is possible |
| 13:07.40 | raster | i've devoted the past decade of my life trying to do just that :) |
| 13:08.07 | mdt | raster, shure x was developped for machine much slower than a neo... ;) |
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| 13:08.58 | hrw | I remember times when I used x11 on amiga 1200 |
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| 13:10.12 | mdt | raster, i have have given up with evas weeks ago. i don't exactly remember the shwostoppers. but it was a pain. i expect doc about a function with in- and output and what the behavior is. there was none. and sample code should be short to show one point. i did find alot doing complex stuff which did not tell me the point |
| 13:10.31 | raster | there are docs |
| 13:10.33 | raster | run gendco |
| 13:10.47 | raster | and it will generate docs drom doxygen commments in the doc/ dir |
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| 13:11.18 | raster | i even wrtoe an example program a year or 2 ago |
| 13:11.23 | raster | dvd player in 19 lines of code |
| 13:11.26 | raster | a complete app |
| 13:11.32 | raster | src available |
| 13:11.43 | raster | i expaneded it over several iterations adding features |
| 13:11.48 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: any luck yet? |
| 13:12.06 | aloril2 | raster: yeah, x11 is fine: easy way to verify that is to run (gtk) apps at PC and display at Neo1973 |
| 13:12.07 | raster | evas itself doesnt ship with examples |
| 13:12.26 | raster | because i dont think i should bloat up the src of the lib when examples and tutorials really belong eslewhere |
| 13:12.33 | mdt | raster, yes, it generated lots of things but the function description where all empty - they where just not provided. |
| 13:12.45 | raster | yeah |
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| 13:12.52 | raster | because we havent had time to docuemnt them |
| 13:13.03 | raster | documenting means no coding on features/bugfixes etc. |
| 13:13.04 | Hadaka | oh man I hate the new DPI setting on openmoko images :-( |
| 13:13.08 | raster | so the focus is on code |
| 13:13.11 | raster | not on docs currently |
| 13:13.26 | raster | aloril2: not surprising |
| 13:15.10 | mdt | raster, is there any way for rendering/animating svg with evas? |
| 13:15.25 | raster | mdt: there is an svg loader in evas |
| 13:15.28 | raster | it uses rsvg |
| 13:15.32 | raster | but it only loads |
| 13:15.39 | raster | svg itself is very heavy |
| 13:15.43 | pjz | are there drivers for the GTA02 accelerator yet? |
| 13:15.44 | raster | and will not be fast |
| 13:15.52 | SpeedEvil | pjz: sort-of. |
| 13:15.53 | SpeedEvil | It's |
| 13:15.59 | mdt | raster, i know rsvg. shure |
| 13:15.59 | SpeedEvil | the datasheet is NDA'd. |
| 13:16.06 | mdt | raster, no animation? |
| 13:16.07 | SpeedEvil | So only FIC can develop drivers. |
| 13:16.18 | raster | mdt: no- rsvg doesnt support it (last i looked) |
| 13:16.26 | mdt | raster, shure |
| 13:16.27 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: booted ok - after nand erase. |
| 13:16.33 | raster | and i am in no mood to implement my own svg parser and renderer |
| 13:16.35 | mdt | raster, so nothing else with evas? |
| 13:16.50 | raster | i am not so crazy about svg |
| 13:17.02 | raster | as a source format |
| 13:17.03 | mdt | raster, :D me too, it's a college of mine |
| 13:17.05 | raster | for designers etc. |
| 13:17.06 | raster | yes |
| 13:17.16 | raster | but as an destination format - no. |
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| 13:17.24 | raster | well not in my opinion |
| 13:17.40 | mdt | raster, which kind of toolchain would you recommend |
| 13:17.52 | mdt | raster, ...for scalable graphic |
| 13:17.58 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: cool |
| 13:18.00 | mdt | raster, ...or even animated |
| 13:18.00 | raster | hmm |
| 13:18.04 | raster | i hear antigrain is good |
| 13:18.15 | raster | but its large and complex |
| 13:18.17 | raster | c++ |
| 13:18.31 | raster | as for just animation edje/evas are actually decent |
| 13:18.34 | raster | and will get better |
| 13:18.41 | raster | but that means using evas etc. :) |
| 13:18.44 | mdt | raster, oh, i have some goals on my mobile project, one is 'no c++' :D |
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| 13:19.03 | raster | then u are limited to cairo |
| 13:19.05 | raster | or do your own |
| 13:19.13 | raster | evas has very little vector rendering support |
| 13:19.20 | raster | mostly because i almost never need it |
| 13:19.31 | raster | i can do everythnig i want with manipulating bitmaps and just text |
| 13:19.54 | mdt | raster, will a no-x11 evas be more supported in the future? we wanted to use ewl and etk and those need x11 |
| 13:20.10 | mdt | raster, (sorry for jumping in topic :D ) |
| 13:20.11 | raster | they should work in the fb |
| 13:20.25 | raster | but i tend not to play much in the fb |
| 13:20.26 | mdt | raster, we could not build without x11 |
| 13:20.31 | raster | thats mostly there for completeness |
| 13:20.36 | raster | and "specifci app development" |
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| 13:20.41 | raster | it wont be any faster than x11 tho |
| 13:20.48 | raster | x11 isn't that big either |
| 13:20.53 | raster | u can lean it down to about 2mb of flash |
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| 13:21.14 | raster | in return u get full x compat/support |
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| 13:21.27 | SpeedEvil | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1025244 Jan 1 1970 /usr/bin/Xfbdev |
| 13:21.31 | SpeedEvil | not huge. |
| 13:21.37 | raster | add in xlib |
| 13:21.43 | SpeedEvil | true of course |
| 13:21.48 | raster | and the other misc libs u need to talk to x |
| 13:21.49 | raster | etc. |
| 13:21.54 | raster | it adds up to about 2mb |
| 13:21.57 | raster | maybe a bit less |
| 13:22.17 | SpeedEvil | I've put X+kernel+xterm+pppd on a 1.4M floppy. |
| 13:22.25 | SpeedEvil | This was some time ago admittedly. |
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| 13:22.30 | raster | same |
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| 13:22.51 | raster | on my ipaq 3660 x + minimal libs, minimal x font and cursor font ended up adding 2mb to my flash image |
| 13:23.03 | raster | that may have also included freetype2 etc. as well |
| 13:23.07 | write_erase | someone could tell me how battery last |
| 13:23.10 | raster | this was a while abck too |
| 13:23.18 | write_erase | in normal use ( phone) |
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| 13:23.36 | SpeedEvil | It's almost irrelevant at this point write_erase. |
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| 13:23.43 | SpeedEvil | almost none of the PM stuff has been done. |
| 13:24.19 | SpeedEvil | About 30-40 hours in suspend-RAM, and 2-5 hours normally |
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| 13:24.41 | SpeedEvil | 2 hours would be on a call, while playing mpegs with the speaker volume at max, and the GPS on. |
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| 13:24.58 | write_erase | SpeedEvil, ok. that's nice |
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| 13:25.21 | mmazur | Let's add some wifi and bluetooth. |
| 13:25.29 | write_erase | SpeedEvil, can the phone be charged with the USB +5V ? from a computer, that rock |
| 13:25.33 | SpeedEvil | the 30-40 hours is an accurate worst case. |
| 13:25.34 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:25.39 | SpeedEvil | however. |
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| 13:26.08 | SpeedEvil | it is possible that some things are not turned off when they should be. |
| 13:26.23 | SpeedEvil | In which case it might be much longer in suspend. |
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| 13:27.15 | write_erase | SpeedEvil, Is it worth wait the next hardware release, for the Wifi chip, or it'll be long to come ? |
| 13:27.26 | SpeedEvil | We have not been informed. |
| 13:27.33 | SpeedEvil | The latest official word is october. |
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| 13:28.05 | SpeedEvil | Some have been complaining of the lack of official word... |
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| 13:29.38 | write_erase | All right |
| 13:29.56 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all |
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| 13:30.15 | no_mind_ | hi Sup3rkiddo |
| 13:30.47 | no_mind_ | Sup3rkiddo: long time |
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| 13:30.53 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 13:30.56 | Sup3rkiddo | no it aint |
| 13:31.51 | write_erase | I may buy an HTC 3300, until it's ready. OpenMoko should run on this phone ? |
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| 13:31.58 | mdt | raster, so cairo is full supported with evas? |
| 13:32.16 | SpeedEvil | write_erase: in principle. Has anyone booted linux on it? |
| 13:32.18 | raster | mdt: no. |
| 13:32.26 | SpeedEvil | In practice. |
| 13:32.27 | raster | mdt: dropped support - cairo was way too slow. |
| 13:32.38 | SpeedEvil | displays other than VGA are not well supported ATM. |
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| 13:33.45 | daxxar | SpeedEvil: I read about some people doing work on QVGA openmoko |
| 13:34.05 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 13:34.13 | raster | daxxar: openmoko really should support a range of reses |
| 13:34.15 | raster | imho |
| 13:34.19 | raster | qvga as well as vga |
| 13:34.21 | raster | and wvga |
| 13:34.24 | raster | (800x480) |
| 13:34.29 | raster | in landscape and portrait |
| 13:34.32 | daxxar | I think QVGA is 'present', just not given as much attention. |
| 13:34.38 | daxxar | I.e. QVGA icons and fonts and whatnot |
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| 13:35.06 | daxxar | Hmm. I wonder why it takes so long before my ML messages are returned to me |
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| 13:35.49 | raster | daxxar: qvga is cheap and popular |
| 13:35.53 | daxxar | Yep |
| 13:35.55 | raster | so we really need to support it |
| 13:36.00 | raster | hell |
| 13:36.02 | Mukunda | Just trying to build openmoko, but having trouble downloading from here, does it work for anyone else? libusb-0.1.12.tar.gz |
| 13:36.05 | Mukunda | Woops. |
| 13:36.06 | raster | one day a moko phone may have qvga |
| 13:36.07 | Mukunda | http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/ |
| 13:36.09 | raster | or have 2 screen |
| 13:36.09 | Mukunda | There. |
| 13:36.11 | raster | inner and outer |
| 13:36.12 | raster | or something |
| 13:36.18 | raster | and qvga might be the outser screen |
| 13:36.19 | raster | for example |
| 13:36.23 | Dmitry_Platonov | Anybody flashed OM/OE head images into the phone? |
| 13:36.25 | raster | so it mayaswell be supported |
| 13:36.39 | daxxar | Anyway, is it hard to set up qemu to run with QVGA? |
| 13:36.46 | *** part/#openmoko barmeier (n=barmeier@p57BB19FB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 13:36.46 | raster | dunno |
| 13:37.00 | gadfly | xzcvczx: sound is working, madplay playing an mp3 file right now. I can't get dialer to work - when trying libtool-gsmd I can't register to the network (the sim works in my other phone). If you have any idea I'd appreciate it. |
| 13:37.43 | gadfly | xzcvczx: also at the AT commands level (tried following the wiki, but I fail in the registration part) |
| 13:37.52 | ewon | gadfly: what network is the SIM on? |
| 13:38.12 | gadfly | ewon: you mean the provider? orange. |
| 13:38.38 | SpeedEvil | gadfly: look at the 'using GSM manually' link on the wiki - as a test |
| 13:38.42 | SpeedEvil | Briefly |
| 13:38.46 | SpeedEvil | killall gsmd |
| 13:38.47 | zecke | brb |
| 13:38.49 | ewon | ah, ok. heard of issues with AT&T sims |
| 13:38.50 | SpeedEvil | cu -l /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 13:38.51 | gadfly | ewon: and there is no PIN for the card, so what am I supposed to use with AT+CPIN |
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| 13:39.03 | SpeedEvil | AT+cfun=1 (modem on) |
| 13:39.11 | SpeedEvil | at+cops (register with network) |
| 13:39.20 | SpeedEvil | atd012934 |
| 13:39.33 | gadfly | SpeedEvil: been there, got stuck at AT+CPIN. I don't have a pin (I think - maybe there is a default?) |
| 13:39.45 | SpeedEvil | You don't need to enter a pin if you have no pin |
| 13:40.00 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't, and have a t-mobile-uk SIM |
| 13:40.08 | daxxar | Where does dropbear read authorized keys from? |
| 13:40.09 | gadfly | SpeedEvil: I'll try it. thanks. |
| 13:40.19 | ScaredyCat | you only do the AT+CPIN if you register returns an ERROR |
| 13:40.21 | xzcvczx | gadfly: make sure you power off and power on the gsm module in libgsmd-tool -m shell before you register |
| 13:40.27 | gadfly | SpeedEvil: wish you could remove the battery while usb was plugged without rebooting.. |
| 13:40.34 | SpeedEvil | gadfly: why? |
| 13:41.08 | gadfly | SpeedEvil: because since my sim is in the other phone I now have to shutdown, remove battery, insert sim, reinsert battery, boot (1+minute), ssh and try what you suggested. :( |
| 13:41.08 | ScaredyCat | daxxar: ~/.ssh/ |
| 13:41.24 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 13:42.49 | xzcvczx | gadfly: try what i suggested first.... simpler than 15 AT commands |
| 13:43.05 | daxxar | Haha, whoops. Dropbear does *not* respond to SIGHUP properly. ;P |
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| 13:43.49 | gadfly | xzcvczx: will do |
| 13:43.54 | ScaredyCat | xzcvczx: I don;t think libgsmd-tool works properly atm... |
| 13:44.01 | ScaredyCat | hence cu |
| 13:44.17 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: works for me |
| 13:44.23 | daxxar | ScaredyCat: Thanks a lot. :-) |
| 13:44.23 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: well for calling anyway |
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| 13:44.49 | daxxar | Wow, that 'normal keyboard' OSD KB is so much better than the "other" one |
| 13:44.54 | mdt | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/ is empty?!? |
| 13:44.55 | Quintano | Openmoko sucks! |
| 13:45.18 | daxxar | Quintano: You suck. |
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| 13:45.24 | xzcvczx | daxxar: the openmoko one unfourtunately lacks tab, up, ctrl which are all important in terminal |
| 13:45.34 | daxxar | xzcvczx: Exactly. :-) |
| 13:45.51 | Quintano | daxxar: no. Linux sucks. |
| 13:45.53 | ewon | Quintano: so's your face. |
| 13:45.54 | Quintano | daxxar: OpenMoko should use Plan9... |
| 13:46.00 | ewon | Quintano: get out |
| 13:46.09 | xzcvczx | Quintano: if you have nothing constructive to add then leave |
| 13:46.11 | Quintano | daxxar: and they should code userspace on Lisp. |
| 13:46.24 | Quintano | ewon: no way! |
| 13:46.39 | Quintano | I am cornholio! I need TP for my bunghole! |
| 13:46.39 | xzcvczx | hmmm hes on gprs |
| 13:46.44 | ScaredyCat | Quintano: when you've coded it, let us know... |
| 13:47.12 | Vegar | no need to feed the troll, guys |
| 13:47.27 | daxxar | /ignore Quintano is the quickest |
| 13:47.28 | ScaredyCat | if he's on gprs, I suggest we give him as much traffic in the channel as possible |
| 13:47.39 | daxxar | Haha :-P |
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| 13:47.43 | Quintano | Vegar: would you like to feel my bunghole? |
| 13:47.44 | aloril | Quintano: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 13:47.58 | daxxar | /query Quintano; /exec -o - cat /dev/urandom |
| 13:48.06 | Quintano | Uh oh. |
| 13:48.06 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 13:48.11 | SpeedEvil | To be fair, Openmoko does suck. |
| 13:48.12 | phrozen77 | ahah |
| 13:48.13 | aloril | haha |
| 13:48.17 | mmazur | It does. |
| 13:48.26 | gadfly | xzcvczx: libgsm-tool R just gives me EVENT: Netreg registration denied |
| 13:48.26 | daxxar | Hmm. Strange. |
| 13:48.32 | Quintano | SpeedEvil: of course! They used wrong OS> |
| 13:48.34 | SpeedEvil | It will hopefully get better. |
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| 13:48.58 | ScaredyCat | gadfly: use cu |
| 13:49.02 | daxxar | I'm SSHing from my openmoko to my usb host, then from that and further on, but the last link just .. hangs after I press enter. |
| 13:49.13 | daxxar | (But sshing from the usb host directly is fast) |
| 13:49.17 | ScaredyCat | ci -l /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 13:49.17 | aloril | Quintano: everything else sucks more on Neo1973 ;-) |
| 13:49.23 | ScaredyCat | cu -l /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 13:49.27 | ScaredyCat | not ci ... |
| 13:49.29 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 13:49.32 | ScaredyCat | AT |
| 13:49.33 | daxxar | I.e. ssh daxxar@192.168.1.1 (I changed the default IP), and on there, ssh some-other-host<ENTER> |
| 13:49.40 | Quintano | aloril: even Plan9? |
| 13:49.41 | daxxar | Then it just hangs (until I kill the SSH process manually) |
| 13:49.43 | ScaredyCat | AT+CFUN=1 |
| 13:49.53 | ScaredyCat | AT+COPS |
| 13:49.57 | daxxar | Hm, now it worked, perhaps. |
| 13:50.04 | aloril | Quintano: of course, it doesn't even run on it ;-) |
| 13:50.06 | daxxar | Maybe the master control socket was broken. |
| 13:50.20 | ScaredyCat | if it doesn't come back with ERROR then AT+COPS? |
| 13:50.25 | gadfly | SpeedEvil: I've killed gsmd, cu'ed -l, the result of at+cops is:AT+cops |
| 13:50.25 | gadfly | +CREG: 2 |
| 13:50.25 | gadfly | +CREG: 3 |
| 13:50.25 | gadfly | +CME ERROR: 32 |
| 13:50.40 | aloril | (though I guess you could get it run fairly easily under OpenMoko in Neo1973) |
| 13:50.42 | SpeedEvil | Unsure. |
| 13:50.45 | borg_ | mmhh.. was somebody actually able to compile OM-2007.2 with the nslu2 makefile? |
| 13:50.48 | raster | aloril: shhhhh - no more feeding! it's already bloated and leaking gasses |
| 13:50.49 | borg_ | i get strange errors |
| 13:50.49 | ScaredyCat | did you AT+CFUN=1 first? |
| 13:50.50 | raster | :) |
| 13:50.53 | SpeedEvil | gadfly throw in an atz first |
| 13:50.56 | aloril | raster: hehe |
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| 13:51.46 | gadfly | SpeedEvil: that just gives me ERROR (tried atz, then at+cops, and also atz;at+cfun=1;at+cops) |
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| 13:52.00 | Dmitry_Platonov | In russian, ganja is often called "plan" 8-) |
| 13:52.00 | daxxar | hello Woeld froneo! |
| 13:52.06 | daxxar | Ugh |
| 13:52.16 | gadfly | SpeedEvil: anyway to tell it "list all available networks"? |
| 13:52.16 | Quintano | Dmitry_Platonov: yes. |
| 13:52.26 | C7 | borg_: nope :/ |
| 13:52.45 | Quintano | Dmitry_Platonov: uh, by the way, how do I patch KDE2 in FreeBSD? |
| 13:52.45 | daxxar | ooh. |
| 13:52.58 | SpeedEvil | at+cops? |
| 13:53.11 | ScaredyCat | gadfly: you did the stuff here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM ? |
| 13:53.46 | gadfly | ScaredyCat: Yes before, maybe I missed something (probably if it works for you guys), I'll try again |
| 13:53.49 | daxxar | xrandr -o 1, and ssh + screen + irssi =~ usable! |
| 13:54.09 | SpeedEvil | daxxar: using what keyb? |
| 13:54.16 | Dmitry_Platonov | Quintano, boyan. Nezachet. |
| 13:54.23 | daxxar | Onscreen |
| 13:54.25 | daxxar | Not the default |
| 13:54.37 | Quintano | Dmitry_Platonov: tut, dumayu, ne boyan... |
| 13:54.37 | daxxar | The drawing of irssi is kinda broken |
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| 13:55.28 | C7 | borg_: will try it again tomorrow... no time now.. have to prepare my stuff for the camp |
| 13:55.43 | daxxar | ^a-F after xrandr made it even better |
| 13:56.02 | thomasg__ | NOTE: build 200708070901: completed |
| 13:56.08 | thomasg__ | hurray :) |
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| 13:56.19 | SpeedEvil | daxxar: what onscreen keyb? |
| 13:56.21 | squalyl | hi everyone |
| 13:56.22 | SpeedEvil | if not default |
| 13:56.30 | mdt | raster, can evas do 90degrees screen turns? |
| 13:56.35 | Quintano | Cthulhu fhtagn! |
| 13:56.36 | daxxar | SpeedEvil: The second 'Keyboard' in the keyboard-white-button dropdown |
| 13:56.42 | mdt | raster, (on fb, no x11) |
| 13:56.57 | raster | mdt: yes |
| 13:57.01 | SpeedEvil | oh - right - hadn't seen that |
| 13:57.12 | mdt | raster, hm, that would be a point.... ;) |
| 13:57.19 | raster | :) |
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| 13:57.27 | gadfly | Is there anyway to get detailed error strings from the gsm? I mean, "ERROR" doesn't tell me much.. |
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| 13:57.45 | daxxar | I guess that's the matchbox keyboard, SpeedEvil |
| 13:58.02 | daxxar | But it seems to crash (Zombie) on my neo |
| 13:58.07 | daxxar | Going into unkillable mode |
| 13:58.28 | ScaredyCat | you get ok back after an AT gadfly? |
| 13:59.03 | SpeedEvil | Is there a stroke recogniser FAQ? |
| 13:59.07 | daxxar | d |
| 13:59.13 | SpeedEvil | as in what it expects |
| 13:59.13 | daxxar | SpeedEvil: "Does it work?" "No." |
| 13:59.23 | daxxar | (From personal experience) |
| 13:59.28 | SpeedEvil | I can get it to mostly work on many chars |
| 13:59.34 | SpeedEvil | I don't know what it's expecting |
| 13:59.38 | daxxar | It gives me '2' for a vertical line. O.0 |
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| 14:00.34 | b52laptop | hi |
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| 14:00.56 | deepank | how to mount the sd card on the phone? I can detect it in uboot mode by mmc-init but cant mount it |
| 14:01.11 | daxxar | Anyone else having strange issues with backspace, arrows, etc in terminal? (shows "blocks", but performs the actions you say (but does not update display)) |
| 14:01.31 | daxxar | deepank: What happens when you try? What does fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0 show? |
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| 14:02.40 | Dmitry_Platonov | daxxar: I have same issues (in qemu) |
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| 14:03.26 | raster | http://www.phoronix.com/?page=news_item&px=NTk1Mw |
| 14:03.30 | raster | let the rumor mill begin |
| 14:03.43 | deepank | It shows : /dev/mmcblk0p1 1 961 122959+ 6 FAT16 |
| 14:04.11 | gadfly | ScaredyCat: sorry for the delay, yes I do. But right now it is strange - the at+cops seems to work, but atdt (and atdt+) give NO CARRIER. and AT+COPS doesn't actually return at all. |
| 14:04.26 | ScaredyCat | ATE1don't use t |
| 14:04.29 | ScaredyCat | oops |
| 14:04.35 | ScaredyCat | just do ATD |
| 14:04.36 | xzcvczx | deepank: df -h doesnt show it? |
| 14:04.37 | Hadaka | oh well, doing without openmoko-today for now - modified X startup script to start mbinputmgr and mrxvt |
| 14:04.41 | ScaredyCat | not the extra T |
| 14:04.44 | deepank | it doesnt detect it |
| 14:04.45 | gadfly | btw, how do I quit cu nicely? |
| 14:04.47 | ScaredyCat | ATD12435 |
| 14:04.50 | ScaredyCat | ~. |
| 14:04.51 | apt | . |
| 14:04.55 | daxxar | deepank: It should automount to /media/card |
| 14:04.58 | ScaredyCat | tilde dot |
| 14:05.03 | SpeedEvil | ~~. if sshd in |
| 14:05.07 | deepank | yes, I saw the entry in /etc/fstab |
| 14:05.10 | SpeedEvil | so you don't get ssh dying |
| 14:05.17 | gadfly | I did atd, the t was a typo (I think that was once used) |
| 14:05.30 | SpeedEvil | deepank: the issue is almost certainly the horribleness of the socket |
| 14:06.00 | deepank | SpeedEvil: can you explain .. |
| 14:06.05 | ScaredyCat | does : AT+COPS? (with the ? work) ? |
| 14:06.10 | SpeedEvil | Well - maybe not. |
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| 14:06.14 | SpeedEvil | howevefr. |
| 14:06.16 | *** join/#openmoko switch3r (n=switch3r@128.8.37.122) |
| 14:06.25 | SpeedEvil | There have been a couple of people in recent days asking about the same issue. |
| 14:06.29 | gadfly | SpeedEvil: yes, I can do that, actually I found screen is in the image, works much better (^A^K) |
| 14:06.57 | SpeedEvil | And in both cases, it's the socket is the problem - reseating the SD worked. |
| 14:08.07 | deepank | ok. so I should remove it and then plug the card in again |
| 14:08.22 | SpeedEvil | try that. |
| 14:08.35 | SpeedEvil | Note that the SD slides into the metal bit - when the metal bit is raised |
| 14:08.46 | loufoque | does mostly everyone has his GTA01 ? |
| 14:08.57 | BryceLeo|Work | nope |
| 14:09.21 | Quintano | loufoque: it is not certified in Albania. So, I cannot get it. |
| 14:09.32 | raster | booo |
| 14:09.33 | raster | :( |
| 14:10.38 | loufoque | Quintano: certified by what |
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| 14:11.16 | Quintan0 | Whoops, fucking disconnect. |
| 14:11.39 | loufoque | raster: you like raster graphics? |
| 14:11.45 | jeddy3_ | what gps-related tools is avaliable in phase1, if any? |
| 14:12.00 | raster | loufoque: the name says it all :) |
| 14:12.16 | jeddy3_ | i see we have no gllin in home anymore |
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| 14:13.12 | daxxar | AH, silly me. |
| 14:13.13 | daxxar | jeddy3_: echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-bt.0/power_on |
| 14:13.14 | daxxar | ;-) |
| 14:13.31 | jeddy3_ | daxxar, aha! |
| 14:13.59 | Quintan0 | I cannot use OpenMoko because of my religion. Patreg will punish me most severely for it, because OpenMoko uses GTK. |
| 14:14.15 | SpeedEvil | Fork off Quintano. |
| 14:14.25 | jeddy3_ | daxxar, yep, works perfectly |
| 14:14.48 | daxxar | Nick-changing troll. The worst kind. |
| 14:14.55 | BryceLeo|Work | lol @ speedevil |
| 14:15.28 | Quintan0 | daxxar: I change nick because of fucking disconnects. |
| 14:15.48 | SpeedEvil | Anyone have a clue what the stroke recogniser is - or where I can find a config file? |
| 14:16.00 | Quintan0 | daxxar: Internets, which russians are selling to us, are very unstable and expensive - $80 per 1 Mb! |
| 14:16.05 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 14:16.16 | daxxar | root@fic-gta01:~$ hidd --connect 00:16:41:7D:6A:57 |
| 14:16.16 | daxxar | Can't get device information: Success |
| 14:16.19 | daxxar | .. :-P |
| 14:16.20 | raster | Quintan0: if you hate linux, gtk, et.c so much - go start your own plan9 based phone company and project. i am sure it will be a rip-roaring success |
| 14:16.46 | ewanm89 | I'm having a simmilar problem hith a thunderstorm, (with disconnects). |
| 14:17.00 | florian | raster: :-) |
| 14:17.17 | daxxar | Ah, wrong hw addr. Using my laptop as a HID device isn't what I wanted. ;P |
| 14:17.25 | ewanm89 | daxxar: hidd--search (and put device in able to be found mode) |
| 14:17.25 | raster | you will also appease your religious masters too |
| 14:17.42 | ewanm89 | s/d\-/d\ \-/ |
| 14:18.02 | ewanm89 | daxxar: hidd --search doesn't need hardware address. |
| 14:18.09 | daxxar | ewanm89: Neato |
| 14:18.21 | Quintan0 | raster: there's no need to do this. His Highness, Patreg, will punish all of yous for this treachery. |
| 14:18.34 | raster | excellent |
| 14:18.37 | raster | i like a good spanking |
| 14:18.52 | SpeedEvil | ah. |
| 14:18.57 | ewanm89 | daxxar: I onle found that option in the last week. |
| 14:19.04 | Quintan0 | Slaka rulit, Patreg - boh! |
| 14:19.15 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:19.21 | SpeedEvil | for low values of document |
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| 14:19.48 | BryceLeo|Work | woah there quintain0 is there room for me to get spanked too? |
| 14:19.52 | SpeedEvil | Indeed, values closely approaching zero :) |
| 14:21.02 | raster | spanking |
| 14:21.07 | raster | come patreg |
| 14:21.10 | raster | do your worst |
| 14:21.16 | juri_ | wow. i picked the wrong time to drop in. :) |
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| 14:21.30 | raster | hahah |
| 14:21.35 | Quintan0 | raster: how dare do you speak to the Patreg! |
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| 14:22.15 | raster | technically.. that's not speaking |
| 14:22.20 | raster | but it is communicating |
| 14:22.21 | raster | :) |
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| 14:22.47 | squalyl | is the Parteg a sort of flying spaghetti? |
| 14:22.55 | xzcvczx | ./ignore *!*@*.mobnet.ru |
| 14:23.01 | xzcvczx | everyone do that |
| 14:23.07 | xzcvczx | and we shall have peace |
| 14:23.10 | Quintan0 | squalyl: no, Patreg is Patrick Volkerding. |
| 14:23.24 | ScaredyCat | hehe. thats funny... MOBnet .. |
| 14:24.08 | BryceLeo|Work | squalyl he's a troll don't waste your time |
| 14:24.33 | Quintan0 | BryceLeo|Work: Patreg isn't a troll! He's God! |
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| 14:24.52 | raster | BryceLeo|Work: i thought i'd just get some amusement out of it |
| 14:24.54 | ScaredyCat | fugly troll is Patreg |
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| 14:25.20 | raster | BryceLeo|Work: if we're going to have lower life-forms waqllowing in the scum at the bottom of this channel |
| 14:25.28 | Quintan0 | Patreg is the God! He created the Slackware! |
| 14:25.36 | raster | may as well find some amusement from stirring them about :) |
| 14:25.38 | squalyl | OK I saw that |
| 14:25.43 | BryceLeo|Work | lmao, good point raster |
| 14:25.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2661 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c src/moko-notify.c): |
| 14:25.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-07 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 14:25.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_dial_clicked): |
| 14:25.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Make sure new entry's are written to the journal. |
| 14:25.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (moko_notify_check_brightness), |
| 14:25.48 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (moko_notify_start): |
| 14:25.50 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Check the LCD brightness, if it is under 5000, set it to 5000. |
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| 14:26.12 | daxNeo | Woot! |
| 14:26.21 | squalyl | So what's up with uboot? The best thing to do is waiting for a fix or did someone overcome this sh... thing? |
| 14:26.40 | xzcvczx | squalyl: you could modify the patch so it works |
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| 14:26.49 | daxNeo | Hawt bt-kb+neo+ssh+irssi action! |
| 14:26.53 | xzcvczx | squalyl: i for one will just wait til its fixed |
| 14:27.00 | SpeedEvil | pkgtool++ |
| 14:27.05 | ewon | SpeedEvil: a pox on thee! |
| 14:27.07 | raster | woot! fixed that nasty "accessing 4 bytes of invalid already freed memory" |
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| 14:27.08 | ewon | debian or nothing! |
| 14:27.10 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: nah i prefer gentoo-neo1973 :P |
| 14:27.10 | raster | that tok a bit |
| 14:27.23 | xzcvczx | lol distrowar |
| 14:27.24 | juri_ | debian-1973 for the win! |
| 14:27.30 | ewon | juri_: \o/ |
| 14:27.33 | daxNeo | I wonder if I should try BT PAN ;-) |
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| 14:28.03 | juri_ | (and one day, we'll release a 1974 debian version. our release cycle is just a bit slow.. ;) |
| 14:28.29 | BryceLeo|Work | lol you guys are so weird... i'l take anything with a linux kernel, X display, a WM, and some apps |
| 14:28.31 | Ryback_ | daxNeo: so bt is working for you now? :-) |
| 14:28.39 | daxNeo | Now all I have to do is write an Icvecap-client for the Neo ;-) |
| 14:28.44 | Ryback_ | daxNeo: what was the problem? |
| 14:28.46 | ScaredyCat | debian is based on feces |
| 14:29.00 | xzcvczx | ooooo low blow ScaredyCat |
| 14:29.14 | daxNeo | Ryback_: 1ep. 4ad to "turn on" the bt dev using pm |
| 14:29.20 | BryceLeo|Work | what does scaredycat use? Mandriva!? :P |
| 14:29.35 | ScaredyCat | naaa lindows ;) |
| 14:29.42 | raster | BryceLeo|Work: i'll only take something with my own damned wm :) |
| 14:29.42 | SpeedEvil | There has to be a definition for strokes, other than strokes.xml |
| 14:29.51 | raster | anything else will offend me :) |
| 14:29.53 | xzcvczx | BryceLeo|Work: nah hes the man and uses windows |
| 14:29.56 | daxNeo | s/1ep. 4/Yep. H/ |
| 14:30.12 | xzcvczx | raster: you got any pics of e on neo? |
| 14:30.14 | SpeedEvil | I mean, I'm as geeky as the next OSS geek, but parsing <stroke sloppy="([12]*[45][78]|[12][45]+[78]?)?[78]*[4]*(1?[2][369]+|1[25][369]*)([369]+[25]+8?[147]?[258]*[369]+|[25]*8?[147]+[258]+[369]*)([369]*[58][74]+|[369]+[58][74]*)" action="b" /> |
| 14:30.24 | SpeedEvil | to work out what I need to draw for a 'b' is hard. |
| 14:30.27 | raster | xzcvczx: sorry - only on my n800 |
| 14:30.41 | ScaredyCat | what does the 770 use? |
| 14:30.42 | xzcvczx | raster: meh that will do |
| 14:30.43 | daxNeo | Was a sinple "echo", documented on the wiki *g* |
| 14:30.44 | raster | xzcvczx: been busy shuffling code around so e will be slicker on the neo |
| 14:30.57 | raster | xzcvczx: http://www.rasterman.com/ |
| 14:31.00 | raster | right there |
| 14:31.00 | xzcvczx | thanks |
| 14:31.01 | raster | front page |
| 14:31.07 | mjr | ScaredyCat, a proprietary recognition software |
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| 14:31.09 | Ryback_ | daxNeo, apt: nice, thanks. didn't know you had to do that.. :-) |
| 14:31.13 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 14:31.21 | BryceLeo|Work | ohh come on raster any app can go anywhere you just have to build it! |
| 14:31.25 | thomasg__ | hopefully I'll get e17 to run today |
| 14:31.25 | daxxar | Ryback_: See the ML. :-) |
| 14:31.30 | raster | BryceLeo|Work: i know :) |
| 14:31.35 | Ryback_ | daxxar: heh |
| 14:31.42 | raster | the work is in making it work like a dream |
| 14:31.45 | raster | and slickly |
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| 14:31.50 | raster | and efficiently |
| 14:31.51 | xzcvczx | raster: not too shabby, not too shabby at all |
| 14:31.52 | raster | :) |
| 14:31.57 | raster | give me some time... |
| 14:32.04 | raster | been moving a lot of stuff to modules |
| 14:32.14 | raster | so they can be replaced by "small screen firendly" versions |
| 14:32.27 | daxxar | What's e17? |
| 14:32.46 | ScaredyCat | a shite boy band |
| 14:32.49 | BryceLeo|Work | hahaha well raster I know this one WM it'c called "Enlightenment" and it's pretty sweet. You should check it out :P |
| 14:33.00 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: and everyone of them could still do your mum |
| 14:33.37 | daxxar | root@fic-gta01:/media/card$ madplay Plazma\ Tek\ -\ Star.mp3 # Mad bass! |
| 14:33.48 | ScaredyCat | xzcvczx: only if they like to 'do' dead people |
| 14:33.48 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: :P |
| 14:33.54 | xzcvczx | :S |
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| 14:34.18 | thomasg__ | hm, what do I have to do if my rootfs is bigger than the 32mbytes that are adressed in the howtos? can I just set it from 32000000 to 50000000? |
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| 14:34.27 | ScaredyCat | althought it's only been 2 months... so... |
| 14:34.32 | daxxar | That's either the lowest retort ever, or the worst directed insult ever. :-S |
| 14:34.38 | raster | BryceLeo|Work: hahahaha :-P |
| 14:34.47 | raster | daxxar: it's a boy band |
| 14:34.48 | daxxar | That's the issue with your-mom-insults to people you don't know. |
| 14:35.09 | xzcvczx | daxxar: yeah realised that could be the case just a wee bit too late |
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| 14:35.18 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: sorry, my bad |
| 14:35.43 | ScaredyCat | naa. no probs... daxxar was right |
| 14:35.46 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar how long have you been doing the linux thing? |
| 14:35.47 | ScaredyCat | >:D |
| 14:35.57 | daxxar | BryceLeo|Work: What linux thing? |
| 14:36.11 | daxxar | ScaredyCat: You're evil. |
| 14:36.18 | ScaredyCat | damn right :) |
| 14:36.20 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar you know the OS with the Start menu and a killer Solitaire program :P |
| 14:36.30 | daxxar | BryceLeo|Work: Hurr hurr |
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| 14:36.40 | ScaredyCat | bwhahahahahahaahaahah |
| 14:36.40 | daxxar | BryceLeo|Work: Many years, I dunno. Do you want an exact count? |
| 14:36.43 | BryceLeo|Work | lol i know ain't mee's sooooo funny |
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| 14:36.57 | BryceLeo|Work | lol ahh ok so you were kidding about the e17 thing.... got it |
| 14:37.27 | ScaredyCat | no, they really are shite |
| 14:37.35 | daxxar | Meh, haven't written it down. :-) |
| 14:37.52 | daxxar | BryceLeo|Work: Sorry, I was cutting down on the smileys to get used to the Freedom Mini Keyboard. ;-) |
| 14:38.02 | raster | :) |
| 14:38.05 | raster | ok |
| 14:38.08 | raster | snoozies time! |
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| 14:38.26 | Hadaka | hey, what would people in the openembedded world use for goocanvas? |
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| 14:38.42 | BryceLeo|Work | lol sarcasm can be soo hard to see over the interweb. Hmmm... i feel a version of RatPoison coming for the neo lol |
| 14:38.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Ashnazg]] [[P1_Owners]] [[User:Fuzzy]] [[User:SNMoore]] [[User_talk:SNMoore]] |
| 14:38.56 | daxxar | Haha |
| 14:39.25 | xzcvczx | BryceLeo|Work: come on nothing can beat ratpoison |
| 14:39.36 | daxxar | Or dwm/ii! Long live keyboard-centric WMs for a touch-screen device§! |
| 14:39.39 | daxxar | s/§// |
| 14:40.05 | Ryback_ | can you rotate the screen on the neo? |
| 14:40.10 | BryceLeo|Work | haha i used to use ratpoison but then i wanted something pretty |
| 14:40.11 | thomasg__ | xrandr -o 1 |
| 14:40.48 | Dmitry_Platonov | thomasg__, your build finished? |
| 14:40.50 | xzcvczx | someone should look at porting looking glass |
| 14:40.51 | thomasg__ | yes |
| 14:40.55 | thomasg__ | I just built my own image (again ^^) and it's about 40 megabytes. I flashed it, but the neo tells me "bad magic number" what could the problem be? |
| 14:40.59 | xzcvczx | that'd be so awesome |
| 14:41.20 | Quintan0 | Does Beryl run on OpenMoko? |
| 14:41.23 | thomasg__ | no |
| 14:41.30 | ScaredyCat | shut up you tart |
| 14:41.41 | daxxar | What's the normal range on BT? |
| 14:41.43 | thomasg__ | ScaredyCat, that's what I wanted to say ^^ |
| 14:41.45 | Dmitry_Platonov | thomasg, I flashed qemu, it does boots, but does not goes too far. |
| 14:41.52 | BryceLeo|Work | xzcvczx.... you'r kidding... looking glass??? ewwww java..... |
| 14:41.58 | Ryback_ | daxxar: it depends on the class |
| 14:42.06 | ScaredyCat | 100m for class2 |
| 14:42.12 | daxxar | Hm, okay. What's usually on a consumer-type USB bluetooth stick? |
| 14:42.15 | ScaredyCat | open air |
| 14:42.18 | Ryback_ | I'd say 100m for a class1 device |
| 14:42.20 | daxxar | And what does the neo have? class2? |
| 14:42.20 | ScaredyCat | class 2 |
| 14:42.28 | xzcvczx | BryceLeo|Work: sorry i forgot the <sarcasm> tags |
| 14:42.28 | ScaredyCat | or 2 |
| 14:42.29 | xzcvczx | :P |
| 14:42.31 | ScaredyCat | or 1 |
| 14:42.34 | Quintan0 | Mobile phone without Beryl will suck. |
| 14:42.54 | ScaredyCat | openmoko without Quintan0 wont |
| 14:43.00 | Dmitry_Platonov | thomasg__, my image is 40M too. |
| 14:43.01 | daxxar | The internets claims class 1 =~ 100m, class 2 =~ 10m. |
| 14:43.01 | thomasg__ | coud someone kick him? |
| 14:43.09 | daxxar | Dude, learn to /ignore. ;-) |
| 14:43.10 | thomasg__ | Dmitry_Platonov, I'd wonder if not :) |
| 14:43.10 | BryceLeo|Work | xzcvczx.... even with sarcasm... ewwww that's like saying "Let's put KDE on it" :P |
| 14:43.12 | Ryback_ | daxxar: just as I said :-) |
| 14:43.18 | Quintan0 | thomasg__: man, this is pointless. |
| 14:43.20 | ScaredyCat | daxxar: the internet is right, I was wrong... |
| 14:43.25 | daxxar | Yep. Just mixed signals, so I wikipediaed it. |
| 14:43.26 | xzcvczx | BryceLeo|Work: i am working on that one right now |
| 14:43.31 | ScaredyCat | but only cos some git swapped my dongle cases |
| 14:43.42 | daxxar | Hm, is there any kind of PAN roaming? :-P |
| 14:43.48 | ScaredyCat | well, the top bit |
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| 14:43.56 | BryceLeo|Work | Jeez and here i was breaking my back porting Aero |
| 14:44.15 | ScaredyCat | mmmm bubbly chocolate |
| 14:44.26 | Ryback_ | does anyone know if you can rotate the screen on the neo? |
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| 14:44.34 | ScaredyCat | Ryback_: yes |
| 14:44.38 | ScaredyCat | you can |
| 14:44.48 | daxxar | Ryback_: xrandr -o 1 rotates it |
| 14:44.49 | alr | with pliers and a screwdriver anything is possible |
| 14:44.55 | Ryback_ | ScaredyCat: good to know.. thanks |
| 14:45.00 | Ryback_ | daxxar: thank you |
| 14:45.02 | daxxar | Works perfect. (But not for the openmoko-keyboard, only for the matchbox-keyboard) |
| 14:45.14 | daxxar | s/perfect/"$&"/ |
| 14:45.17 | daxxar | Hrm. |
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| 14:45.19 | daxxar | Silly apt. |
| 14:45.20 | ScaredyCat | xrandr is installed |
| 14:45.39 | ScaredyCat | xrandr -o 0|1|2|3 |
| 14:46.17 | daxxar | -sh: 1: not found\n-sh: 2: not found\n-sh: 3: not found :-( |
| 14:46.21 | ScaredyCat | i actually like it w/s |
| 14:46.23 | daxxar | ;-) |
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| 14:47.06 | daxxar | Bloody hell it's hot here. o.0 |
| 14:47.15 | daxxar | Why do we get our mad hotness the days before my exam? It's not fair! |
| 14:47.35 | ozarka | daxxar: Where are you? |
| 14:47.40 | daxxar | Norway |
| 14:47.44 | daxxar | 27 degrees in the shadow :S |
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| 14:48.04 | daxxar | Of course we have no AC, because Norway is darn cold, usually. |
| 14:48.18 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: trust me something much worse is currently on the way to your door |
| 14:48.21 | daxxar | All windows wide open, wearing only pants and boxers, and still it's too hot to be comfy. |
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| 14:48.39 | ScaredyCat | nor-way! </yorkshire accent> |
| 14:48.57 | ozarka | That's not hot. :-) |
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| 14:49.09 | ScaredyCat | xzcvczx: if it's windows based I'll die xzcvczx |
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| 14:49.33 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: oh its even better than that..... its windows ME based |
| 14:49.40 | daxxar | ozarka: If you're from Ye Olde North it is. |
| 14:49.41 | ScaredyCat | aarrrrghhh |
| 14:49.42 | ozarka | In Texas, we call that "night". |
| 14:50.13 | xzcvczx | muhahahahaha |
| 14:50.31 | ScaredyCat | you know what... |
| 14:50.42 | ScaredyCat | my mum still uses windows ME... |
| 14:50.57 | ScaredyCat | ... it's terrible... |
| 14:51.05 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: so was my dad until his computer completely packed it in and wouldnt boot |
| 14:51.11 | ScaredyCat | I mean did they not think... |
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| 14:51.31 | ScaredyCat | they had windows CE, windows ME and then NT. ... |
| 14:51.44 | ScaredyCat | did they not spot that it spelt windows CEMENT |
| 14:51.50 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: i was once playing halflife on ME quit out and had to restore windows as the mouse driver had gone awol |
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| 14:52.43 | Ryback_ | hmm.. does anyone know where is the neo's xserver code? (I'm searching the public svn but couldn't find it so far) |
| 14:52.46 | thomasg__ | Dmitry_Platonov, at what point is your boot hanging? |
| 14:52.58 | ScaredyCat | windows ME is like no other version of windows... it's like the bits left over from all the other versions... |
| 14:53.20 | Dmitry_Platonov | it shows black screen, some icons on the top (gsm/gps/battery etc.) and hangs. |
| 14:53.36 | thomasg__ | ah, so X is alrdy. running |
| 14:53.48 | Dmitry_Platonov | thomasg__, yes. |
| 14:54.21 | BryceLeo|Work | xzcvczx that reminds me of when i was using LightStep as my XP window manager and if iset DOD/HL/CS to OpenGL I could see through walls. |
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| 14:54.30 | thomasg__ | how can I flash a image bigger than 32 megabyte to the neo? |
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| 14:55.22 | Dmitry_Platonov | thomasg__, I used script from qemu-neo1973 to flash qemu. |
| 14:55.23 | ScaredyCat | from the sd card? |
| 14:55.27 | thomasg__ | yes |
| 14:55.44 | thomasg__ | the neo every time crashes when I load the image |
| 14:55.49 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 14:55.55 | daxxar | Hm. Any way to get ls to enclose filenames in quotes or similar? (to e.g. see filenames with whitespace after them properly) |
| 14:55.57 | xzcvczx | BryceLeo|Work: thats a nice unfair advantage |
| 14:56.24 | thomasg__ | I tried 0x32000000, 0x48000000 and 0x600000 as addresses. the image is about 40 mb |
| 14:56.31 | xzcvczx | daxxar: why ffs are you naming files with a 255 at the end? |
| 14:56.45 | xzcvczx | well not a 255 |
| 14:56.47 | xzcvczx | but a space |
| 14:56.55 | daxxar | xzcvczx: I think it's a space. It was something that got clobbered when I tried applying a diff |
| 14:57.02 | BryceLeo|Work | lol xzcvczx are you kidding me it was terrible, i was running into everything and couldn't really hit anyone becuase i wouldn't know ther's a wall there. I did worse seething through walls than not being able to see through walls! |
| 14:57.03 | xzcvczx | daxxar: oh ok |
| 14:57.26 | xzcvczx | BryceLeo|Work: oh so completely transparent not like 80% transparency |
| 14:57.52 | daxxar | Woot, it has a newline. o.0 |
| 14:58.32 | ScaredyCat | if that google story is true, i suspect fic are pooing themselves right about now |
| 14:58.52 | daxxar | SpeedEvil: Does the bt chip eat a lot of power if all you do is power it on? (echo "1" > /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-bt.0/power_on) |
| 14:59.04 | deepank_ | ScaredyCat: is it true? |
| 14:59.11 | SpeedEvil | Not that much |
| 14:59.12 | ScaredyCat | dunno |
| 14:59.22 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: link? |
| 14:59.31 | ScaredyCat | http://www.phoronix.com/?page=news_item&px=NTk1Mw |
| 14:59.59 | SpeedEvil | I have it as about 17mA |
| 15:00.41 | thomasg__ | ScaredyCat, no idea? |
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| 15:00.54 | mbuf | the .ipk package can be installed similar to .rpm, .deb in distros? |
| 15:01.36 | daxxar | Okay, not too bad. thanks SpeedEvil. |
| 15:01.53 | don-o | interesting story. the idea of paying for airtime through web advertisements seems rediciulous |
| 15:01.54 | mbuf | in other words, what is the method of developing applications, building it, testing on the phone? application development crash course describes method to use it on qemu |
| 15:02.00 | BryceLeo|Work | anywone with a wrt54gl around? |
| 15:02.06 | ScaredyCat | not off the top of my head.. why is it such a big image ? |
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| 15:02.18 | daxxar | BryceLeo|Work: I have a wrt54g, not certain if it's gl |
| 15:02.22 | deepank_ | don-o:actually it is not such a bad idea |
| 15:02.39 | deepank_ | consider the amount of money made these days thru web-ads |
| 15:02.46 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar do you have a custom firmware on it? |
| 15:03.18 | daxxar | BryceLeo|Work: openwrt |
| 15:03.27 | daxxar | (I actually have two, one in my apt, one at my parents place) |
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| 15:04.02 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar i had one that i recently blew up and i'm still not sure if it's worth it to buy another. And it looks like if i get the L version i don't have to worry about it not working |
| 15:04.07 | xzcvczx | BryceLeo|Work: i have a gl with custom |
| 15:04.27 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar well... i didn'tblow it up, it started smoking and almost burned my room to cinders... |
| 15:04.45 | xzcvczx | BryceLeo|Work: dont overclock your new one :P |
| 15:05.02 | BryceLeo|Work | xzcvczx is it right that I don't have to worry about specific revisions and I can just purchase one new and be done with it? |
| 15:05.11 | xzcvczx | as long as its gl |
| 15:05.25 | xzcvczx | gl implies linux and is effectively the same as a v4 |
| 15:05.35 | xzcvczx | v5+ is much harder to put custom on |
| 15:05.57 | BryceLeo|Work | xzcvczx alrighty, i can accept that. I guess i'll pick one up |
| 15:06.13 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar, i usually run dd-wrt any advantage to openwrt? |
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| 15:09.16 | daxxar | BryceLeo|Work: I haven't tested dd-wrt |
| 15:09.26 | telconta1 | the gl has more flashram |
| 15:09.34 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar ok cool, figured i'd check to see if i was missing out on something |
| 15:09.39 | telconta1 | the g has like 2-4 vs 16 i think for the gl |
| 15:09.53 | daxxar | I like openwrt, and I hear it's a real killer with X-wrt |
| 15:10.08 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar is there a web interface or just console? |
| 15:11.23 | ScaredyCat | X-wrt ?! wtf |
| 15:11.55 | daxxar | BryceLeo|Work: Openwrt has a web interface, yes |
| 15:12.11 | daxxar | x-wrt is (mainly) an improvement of the default web interface |
| 15:12.17 | daxxar | (I use the default webinterface though) |
| 15:12.20 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar, sweet. I couldn't find any screenshots or writeup on it so i figured i'd check |
| 15:12.28 | ScaredyCat | ok.. so it's not x for wrt :) |
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| 15:12.49 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar yeah i'm not looking for anything to killer just enough that if need be i can walk my dad through fixing anything he breaks |
| 15:12.53 | telconta1 | watch out on openwrt |
| 15:13.00 | telconta1 | there are two distribs right now |
| 15:13.02 | daxxar | Meh, I can't find fb2png anywhere. :S |
| 15:13.07 | telconta1 | white russian and kamikaze |
| 15:13.15 | BryceLeo|Work | telconta1 yeah i'm just starting to read that |
| 15:13.18 | telconta1 | whiterussian is what all the docs are written for |
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| 15:13.30 | telconta1 | and im not sure kamikaze has the web interface going yet |
| 15:13.40 | telconta1 | i have kamikaze |
| 15:13.58 | telconta1 | and its been a bit of silliness here and there |
| 15:14.12 | telconta1 | the nvram interface has changed somehow |
| 15:14.24 | ScaredyCat | daxxar: just use cat |
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| 15:15.00 | telconta1 | and so the command line is screwy too |
| 15:15.02 | BryceLeo|Work | telconta1 sounds odd. Thaks for the warning |
| 15:15.20 | ScaredyCat | cat /dev/fb0 >capture.raw |
| 15:15.20 | daxxar | ScaredyCat: But to get the raw data over to a usable format? |
| 15:15.31 | daxxar | ScaredyCat: Anyway, I used xhost + xwd |
| 15:15.48 | ScaredyCat | I put the notes for it in the screen grab wish list discussion |
| 15:15.58 | ScaredyCat | just use convert for the raw to png |
| 15:16.07 | telconta1 | nvram doesn't seem to be where the params are stored now |
| 15:16.10 | daxxar | Oh, okay. |
| 15:16.11 | baird | Another WRT54GL/openwrt user here.. I was more trying to make it into a self-hosting (Debian/Gentoo..) box though, but the system was too unstable to compile sources 'robustly'. |
| 15:16.15 | telconta1 | just use whiterussian and you'll be happy |
| 15:16.25 | cjb | baird: did you see that we have a third cjb now? |
| 15:17.04 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 15:17.09 | ScaredyCat | someone moved it |
| 15:17.14 | BryceLeo|Work | telconta1 good advice Thanks! |
| 15:17.21 | baird | cjb: "..." I was the first, though. :P |
| 15:17.24 | chetan | hi |
| 15:17.31 | chetan | hi to all |
| 15:17.32 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Screen_Shots |
| 15:17.34 | cjb | baird: yeah, tell that to nickserv :) |
| 15:17.36 | ScaredyCat | daxxar: |
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| 15:17.50 | daxxar | That's what I followed, ScaredyCat |
| 15:18.00 | daxxar | It only mentions convert for xwd |
| 15:18.04 | ScaredyCat | I dunno how it got there... magic I spose... |
| 15:18.14 | chetan | i am facing the problem while installing openmoko on ubuntu 7.04, can anybody guide me |
| 15:18.15 | ScaredyCat | huh? |
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| 15:18.45 | thomasg__ | ScaredyCat, well, it's a OE image, that contains some more apps/libs as the old OM image |
| 15:18.58 | ScaredyCat | ahh |
| 15:19.04 | mintee | man... ok any new word on when the second set is going to ship out... last i heard william lai was talking about last week... but that doesn't seemed to have happened. |
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| 15:19.46 | SpeedEvil | mintee: Simply be grateful that the project exists. |
| 15:20.04 | SpeedEvil | Hardware might or might not turn up sometime in the next years. |
| 15:20.04 | mintee | SpeedEvil, well sha... |
| 15:20.06 | ozarka | mintee: Mine shipped yesterday. |
| 15:20.22 | mintee | ozarka, what was your order number again... like 2100ish? |
| 15:20.40 | mbuf | is there anyway i can view the OpenMoko GUI on the desktop via usb0 ? |
| 15:20.43 | ozarka | I'm not sure if it counts as being in the 2nd set.. |
| 15:21.07 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: export DISPLAY=192.168.0.200 |
| 15:21.11 | ozarka | mintee: 2742 |
| 15:21.17 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: export DISPLAY=192.168.0.200:0 rather |
| 15:21.20 | mintee | sweet! |
| 15:21.24 | SpeedEvil | then err. |
| 15:21.42 | ozarka | I got an orange one. |
| 15:22.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 691 has been created by jorgen(AT)devsoft.no |
| 15:22.02 | cdbot2 | * * Terminal does not handle "special characters" properly (backspace, etc) |
| 15:22.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=691 |
| 15:22.04 | mintee | ozarka, i'm only 74 away from you. I got the blackish one |
| 15:22.05 | SpeedEvil | x-window-manager may work |
| 15:22.16 | ozarka | Even better, it will arrive a few hours after I leave the country. |
| 15:22.53 | BryceLeo|Work | so someone threw up a bug for gtkterm2... but mrxvt is waiting for them |
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| 15:23.53 | ScaredyCat | daxxar: I've put an fb2png rpm on my site for dl if you want it. |
| 15:24.03 | mintee | ozarka, you got the first email regarding payment and shipping yesterday? |
| 15:24.27 | mintee | or before that? |
| 15:24.43 | BryceLeo|Work | did anyone order the white and orange one? |
| 15:24.48 | ozarka | mintee: I got a payment email on Sat (and it showed up on my cc) |
| 15:25.11 | ozarka | I got a weird "Your issue has been resolved email" on Sat |
| 15:25.31 | jeddy3_ | BryceLeo|Work, i have a WRT54GL, i have used both dd-wrt, and now, tomato on it without problems |
| 15:25.47 | mbuf | is it possible to we view the OpenMoko GUI through usb0 on the desktop? |
| 15:26.01 | mintee | ozarka, icey. I just shot off an email to william asking... cause I had a problem with my Credit Card... and I know if it doesn't go thru, i probally won't hear anything about it. |
| 15:26.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 692 has been created by jorgen(AT)devsoft.no |
| 15:26.01 | cdbot2 | * * HTML-characters are substitued to entities in status messages. |
| 15:26.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=692 |
| 15:26.10 | mintee | in this case... no news is bad news. heh |
| 15:26.33 | BryceLeo|Work | thanks jeddy3_ i think i'm gonna have to pick me up one of them |
| 15:26.38 | ozarka | mintee: and I got a tracking number last night/this morning |
| 15:26.49 | xzcvczx | mbuf: using a remote x session? |
| 15:27.15 | ozarka | mintee: Don't you read the mailing list? You're not supposed to ask questions. :-) |
| 15:27.17 | mbuf | xzcvczx, yes, something like that is possible? if yes, how? any links/pointers will be useful |
| 15:27.18 | SpeedEvil | I cannot find anywhere the matchbox-stroke source. |
| 15:27.24 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: yes. |
| 15:27.27 | ScaredyCat | slurpies are shipping ? |
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| 15:27.35 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: find out what the WM script starts. |
| 15:27.39 | jeddy3_ | BryceLeo|Work, as you pointed out, gl is the model that should flash regardless of revisions and such |
| 15:27.41 | ozarka | slurpies? |
| 15:27.50 | ScaredyCat | locate TS |
| 15:27.53 | ScaredyCat | oops |
| 15:27.57 | mintee | ozarka. heh... thanks for the info |
| 15:28.06 | BryceLeo|Work | jeddy3_ that's what i was reading but I always like to make sure |
| 15:28.08 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: no locate in om |
| 15:28.08 | daxxar | Sorry about that bug, I set it as a dupe now. |
| 15:28.24 | ozarka | mintee: np |
| 15:28.36 | daxxar | ScaredyCat: Nah, I used the xwd method, and I run ubuntui |
| 15:29.02 | jeddy3_ | BryceLeo|Work, you can still brick it if not careful, though ;) |
| 15:29.13 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, how ? |
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| 15:29.21 | daxxar | BryceLeo|Work: What do you mean about 'mrxvt'? Is it supposed to be the new default term? |
| 15:29.41 | xzcvczx | jeddy3_: they are a real btch to brick tho |
| 15:29.46 | ScaredyCat | daxxar: it doesn;t matter, extract from the rpm .. :) |
| 15:30.22 | jeddy3_ | xzcvczx, true :) |
| 15:30.58 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar, it's not supposed to be, it's just lighter a bit quicker and "just works" |
| 15:31.04 | daxxar | BryceLeo|Work: Okay |
| 15:31.29 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar, i've also been using rxvt and family since i started on linux. I can be a tad sentimental |
| 15:31.55 | jeddy3_ | hmm, i can register to the network, and answer phonecalls with neo, but i get NO CARRIER when trying to phone out |
| 15:32.05 | daxxar | BryceLeo|Work: ;-) |
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| 15:32.33 | daxxar | Has anyone had any luck with reducing/ignoring the jitter of the cursor on taps? |
| 15:32.43 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, i found this page, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Window_Manager_Startup, but, how can the GUI be displayed through ssh over usb0 on the desktop? |
| 15:33.20 | daxxar | Does mrxvt support tabs, BryceLeo|Work? |
| 15:33.30 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar yup |
| 15:33.36 | daxxar | Neato |
| 15:33.48 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: you start an X server on the host, and then point the window manager on the neo at it |
| 15:33.53 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar if you want ipks i've got them built http://pics.and-a-half.com/ipk/mrxvt/ |
| 15:33.56 | SpeedEvil | DISP |
| 15:34.03 | BryceLeo|Work | depends and all |
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| 15:34.11 | SpeedEvil | export DISPLAY=192.168.0.202:0 or something |
| 15:34.22 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, i see |
| 15:34.25 | SpeedEvil | then fvwm |
| 15:34.53 | SpeedEvil | or whatever the window manager is on the neo - and the startup scripts in the window manager should take over and launch all the crap |
| 15:35.03 | leppoc | morining everyone :) (morning for me ;) ) |
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| 15:35.15 | ScaredyCat | ok, so it's a tarball too daxxar :) |
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| 15:38.25 | BryceLeo|Work | anywone wana find what version gtkterm is on the eno? |
| 15:38.27 | BryceLeo|Work | neo* |
| 15:38.41 | ScaredyCat | eno ... brian... |
| 15:38.54 | ScaredyCat | searching.... |
| 15:39.17 | daxxar | gtkterm2 v0.2.3 |
| 15:39.18 | ScaredyCat | In 1996 Brian Eno, and others, started the Long Now Foundation to educate the public into thinking about the very long term future of society |
| 15:39.57 | BryceLeo|Work | thanks daxxar, i figure i'll take a quick peek around the source and see if it's a moderately easy patch |
| 15:40.15 | daxxar | Great =) |
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| 15:47.55 | daxxar | Anyone set up BNEP-networking? |
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| 15:48.18 | daxxar | pand -nc <bdaddr> gives me pand[1508]: Bluetooth PAN daemon version 3.9 pand[1508]: Connecting to 00:02:72:C9:56:4E pand[1508]: bnep0 connected |
| 15:48.27 | daxxar | But if I do ifconfig bnep0, it says: ifconfig: bnep0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 15:49.09 | thomasg__ | does nobody know how I can flash a image bigger than 40 mb from the microSD to the NAND? |
| 15:49.12 | daxxar | Aah. pand was running as !root on the server. |
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| 15:55.06 | deepank_ | anyone tried building OM 2007.2 |
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| 15:55.54 | deepank_ | I always get the error libgsmd_svn.bb failed |
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| 15:56.22 | Kero | So I hooked my Neo to a USB port (no image put on it, yet). How do I see whether it is charging ? |
| 15:57.03 | mjr | you don't, really, when it's powered off |
| 15:57.25 | mjr | rest assured however that it should be charging ;] |
| 15:57.26 | cjb | yeah, somewhat of a design flaw. |
| 15:57.34 | cjb | or at least trickle-charging. |
| 15:57.37 | ScaredyCat | You box it up and send it to me Kero, I'll tell you |
| 15:58.08 | mjr | the gta02 will have leds, wonder if they can be used as indicators... |
| 15:58.35 | mjr | and yeah, trickle-charging, but charging anyways |
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| 15:59.42 | ScaredyCat | just image it then take look at the battery readings every now and again |
| 15:59.48 | dando | hi @ all |
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| 16:00.27 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar it looks like gtkterm should be fixed witha re-comp after the gtk update, for now i must be off to lunch |
| 16:00.36 | Kero | next Q, do I have to build dfu-util from source? |
| 16:00.54 | Kero | buildhost.openmoko.org seems to be rather empty :( |
| 16:01.20 | daxxar | Kero: http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/dfu-util |
| 16:02.34 | SpeedEvil | mjr: the PCF chip has support for blinking LEDs, even in suspend mode |
| 16:02.44 | SpeedEvil | assorted patterns, and speeds. |
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| 16:03.53 | TRIsoft | gtg cu |
| 16:03.55 | Kero | daxxar: thx! had that site already, but hadn't realized dfu-util was on it :) |
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| 16:08.13 | noiddd | I don't know but they should be shot |
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| 16:08.33 | mjr | SpeedEvil, yep |
| 16:08.55 | noiddd | actually, are we sure its the server and not the web browser? |
| 16:08.58 | noiddd | I never checked |
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| 16:10.22 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: Just because the PCF supports it doesn't mean that where the lights are |
| 16:10.38 | Writchie | s/lights/LEDs |
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| 16:11.02 | SpeedEvil | Of course. |
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| 16:11.32 | mbuf | SpeedEvil: on the host PC, i should export DISPLAY=192.168.0.202:0.0, and then I ssh into root@neo, and then run x-window-manager through ssh to get the GUI on the desktop? |
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| 16:12.09 | SpeedEvil | If you've got X forwarding setup, that should work. |
| 16:12.19 | mjr | actually it shouldn't |
| 16:12.21 | SpeedEvil | You need to have an X server. |
| 16:12.36 | mbuf | SpeedEvil: on the host PC, right? |
| 16:12.51 | SpeedEvil | no - ont he neo you set the DISPLAY variable to the address of the X server on the host |
| 16:13.07 | mbuf | SpeedEvil: ohh ok |
| 16:13.08 | SpeedEvil | And then authorise the X server on the host to accept clients. |
| 16:13.30 | mjr | dropbear should support ssh -X though too (if with the ssh overhead) |
| 16:13.56 | mjr | regardless, you don't set the Neo as the display on the host if you want to run apps the _other_ way around |
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| 16:14.47 | mbuf | i want to run x apps on the Neo and the view the output on the host desktop; instead the qemu display, i would like to use the Neo GUI output |
| 16:15.00 | Writchie | Interesting behaviour, devices with relatively low battery will boot all the way but not enumerate and therefor not fully charge. Of course they then die as the battery quickly depletes. |
| 16:15.01 | mbuf | *instead of the qemu |
| 16:15.14 | Writchie | After overnight charge, they enumerate fine. |
| 16:16.11 | ScaredyCat | is this first charge? |
| 16:16.32 | Writchie | no, but after batteries went dead after 2 days of power off |
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| 16:16.52 | Writchie | power is apparently not fully power off but gsm modem still on. |
| 16:17.06 | mbuf | is anyone here experiencing cdc_ether kernel crashes when connecting the Neo to Debian Etch? |
| 16:17.28 | Writchie | i'm trying to rationalize the failure to enumerate (required for full charging) when the CPU is able to fully boot. |
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| 16:22.40 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: odd |
| 16:23.01 | SpeedEvil | have you tried unplugging once booted, and replugging? |
| 16:23.03 | daxxar | Hmm. DHCP doesn't work over BNEP? o.0 |
| 16:23.09 | SpeedEvil | it doesn't show at all on lsusb? |
| 16:23.14 | daxxar | Ah, perhaps no broadcast? :-) |
| 16:23.28 | mjr | I do seem to recall something about the gsm module needing to be turned off separately, so if that's failed... |
| 16:23.46 | SpeedEvil | Pull the battery. |
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| 16:23.59 | SpeedEvil | It then draws ~0mA after the battery is turned off. |
| 16:24.01 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 16:24.06 | SpeedEvil | It then draws ~0mA after the battery is plugged back in. |
| 16:24.16 | SpeedEvil | turn battery off. |
| 16:24.23 | SpeedEvil | sorry, I'm feeling horrible. |
| 16:24.52 | SpeedEvil | if you simply turn the phone off using hte power menu, then it draws 30mA |
| 16:25.00 | SpeedEvil | whihc drains the battery in 30-40 hours |
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| 16:26.04 | SpeedEvil | scrolling by where? |
| 16:26.12 | Kero | kernel loading |
| 16:27.05 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone know where the source for matchbox-xstroke is - I have no idea. |
| 16:31.34 | Kero | ...and ssh-ed into my Neo, Yeah! |
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| 16:33.22 | Kero | whoa, whole /var is in tmpfs ! |
| 16:33.47 | cjb | writing /var/log to jffs2 is a great way to make the jffs2 explode. |
| 16:33.51 | ScaredyCat | :) the first ssh is lways the best |
| 16:34.04 | mdt | :D agree... |
| 16:34.07 | Kero | cjb: I know, that's why I was looking :) |
| 16:34.18 | Kero | but I'm wondering what backup will survive in /var/backups :) |
| 16:34.28 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: no worries, not that important. It just doesn't seem to want to enumerate with low battery voltage, even though its high enough to run beyond full bootup. |
| 16:34.36 | Writchie | can't get over the wall |
| 16:34.52 | Writchie | I saw this also on first charge. |
| 16:34.56 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 16:35.21 | ScaredyCat | yeah, mine booted after a few mins ,,, |
| 16:35.33 | ScaredyCat | but it does appear to be a 500ma charge |
| 16:35.37 | SpeedEvil | I haven't gone into the power supplu config in detail enough to comment. |
| 16:36.03 | Writchie | never get a 500ma charge, because by the time it works properly the bats are pretty charged |
| 16:36.45 | Writchie | draws about 260ma which indicates to me a full battery |
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| 16:38.09 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[MacOS_X]] [[SH1_FAQ]] [[User:Fuzzy]] |
| 16:39.55 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: For your gprs test yesterday, where you using pppd straight to the modem? |
| 16:40.04 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 16:40.11 | SpeedEvil | It _was_ working fine. |
| 16:40.16 | SpeedEvil | It's now not. |
| 16:40.23 | Writchie | how now |
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| 16:41.04 | SpeedEvil | I've tried re-flashing, in the hope it's corruption, I'm then going to reinstall |
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| 16:41.26 | Writchie | corruption of flash? |
| 16:41.32 | SpeedEvil | of something |
| 16:42.09 | SpeedEvil | There is also the issue that the script shouldn't have worked... |
| 16:42.22 | SpeedEvil | I do not unfortunately have copies of it in the working state, as I diddn't backup before trying to get it working |
| 16:43.44 | Writchie | i haven't found the precise difference between the IP and PPP settings. |
| 16:43.57 | Writchie | it seems PPP is always used to provide L2 to the device. |
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| 16:44.11 | Writchie | I suspect PPP extends L2 though the network to the other end. |
| 16:44.18 | Writchie | IP does not. |
| 16:44.20 | SpeedEvil | It was certainly "ip" |
| 16:44.49 | Writchie | the IP as PDP type still uses PPP as transport |
| 16:45.21 | Writchie | in other works, it seems its always PPP to the modem |
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| 16:45.35 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it. |
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| 16:47.18 | Writchie | i'm still trying to figure out who is doing/maintaining/architecting gsmd/libgsm |
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| 16:49.01 | thomasg__ | Writchie, all I know is that Harald wrote gsmd |
| 16:49.07 | Kero | the app switcher uses a *very* green color :) |
| 16:49.17 | mmazur | Yup. |
| 16:49.32 | Writchie | that's all know as well, except that some others have submitted patches |
| 16:50.29 | Writchie | Harold is far to busy to do all he is doing. |
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| 16:50.53 | Writchie | this leaves gsmd/libgsm as a gaping hole |
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| 16:51.17 | Writchie | wouldn't be so bad except that this device to some people is a "phone" |
| 16:51.34 | anrp | a phone? unpossible! |
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| 16:53.02 | Writchie | there are two philosophies, its a phone with an attached desktop, or a desktop with an attached modem. |
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| 16:53.55 | Tyrae1 | "If you upload rootfs image that is smaller that previous one it won't work - you need to attach to bootloader, erase NAND and then upload your rootfs first:" Is true also for kernel? |
| 16:54.12 | Writchie | yuk |
| 16:55.23 | Tyrae1 | cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 16:55.23 | Tyrae1 | nand erase kernel |
| 16:55.23 | Tyrae1 | ? I don't have the debug board, is ok? |
| 16:55.37 | anrp | no, the kernel doesn't need erasing |
| 16:55.50 | Tyrae1 | ah ok |
| 16:55.57 | anrp | the rootfs usually doesn't but it could happen, if the size worked out perfectly it might see old stuff |
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| 17:01.34 | mbuf | i did xhost + on desktop; then ssh into new from desktop; run x-window-manager, and i get only top and bottom menubar, not the main application panel area; do i need to add anything more on desktop to get the full GUI view on the desktop? |
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| 17:02.43 | mjr | oh please don't do xhost + on your desktop |
| 17:03.05 | mbuf | mjr: ok, so what is the preferred method; i would like to run X applications on the Neo, and view and test the output from the desktop |
| 17:03.49 | mjr | how about authorizing the neo only, not the whole world |
| 17:03.57 | mjr | xhost +192.168.0.202 or whatever you have |
| 17:04.08 | mbuf | mjr: i see |
| 17:04.51 | mbuf | mjr, and then? |
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| 17:05.40 | mjr | I haven't looked at the neo X session scripts; apparently you got part of it going already, it'd go the same with that more limited authorization |
| 17:05.58 | mbuf | mjr: i ssh into it and run openmoko-dialer and it runs on the phone rather than on the desktop, where do i set DISPLAY then? |
| 17:07.20 | SpeedEvil | export DISPLAY=desktop:0 |
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| 17:07.42 | mbuf | SpeedEvil: thanks, and where do i type that? |
| 17:07.53 | SpeedEvil | Before starting stuff on the phone |
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| 17:08.06 | SpeedEvil | stuff you want to display on the desktop |
| 17:08.15 | squalyl | re-hi all |
| 17:08.55 | mbuf | SpeedEvil: i ssh into the Neo from the desktop, type export DISPLAY=desktop:0, run openmoko-dialer and it opens on the Neo |
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| 17:09.28 | SpeedEvil | what happens if instead of openomoko-dialer, you run xev? |
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| 17:10.19 | squalyl | If I want to test OM2007.2, what do I have to change? get bitbake latest version and remove the svn overlay's path from BBPATH? is that all? |
| 17:11.05 | mbuf | SpeedEvil: xev: unable to open display '192.168.0.200:0' - which is the desktop IP address |
| 17:11.23 | squalyl | and what revision of the monotone db should I use? |
| 17:11.27 | squalyl | (sorry to interfere) |
| 17:11.27 | mjr | I though you said you got the top and bottom bars running on the desktop already |
| 17:11.46 | mbuf | mjr: yes that worked without even setting any DISPLAY stuff |
| 17:11.48 | mjr | anyway, your X server may well not be listening to TCP connections; many distributions ship that way by default for security |
| 17:12.03 | mbuf | mjr: but, i would like to view the complete phone; i see |
| 17:12.19 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: in the ssh session, that you started the window manager in - hit ctrl-z, then 'bg' |
| 17:12.26 | SpeedEvil | then run openmoko-dialer |
| 17:12.35 | mjr | mbuf, then you probably used ssh's X forwarding. That will work. Why didn't you run other stuff also through that? |
| 17:12.36 | cayco | anyone knows how to check capacity of battery? There is something interesting in /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008 but which is correct? |
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| 17:12.49 | SpeedEvil | there is no capacity |
| 17:12.56 | SpeedEvil | well |
| 17:13.07 | SpeedEvil | apm will give you a rough indication. |
| 17:13.19 | cayco | SpeedEvil: how to check it? |
| 17:14.10 | cayco | i just bought battery that says 2300mAh and I realy doubt that ithas so much mAh.. |
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| 17:14.15 | SpeedEvil | type apm |
| 17:14.30 | SpeedEvil | well, you actually can't do that. |
| 17:14.32 | mbuf | SpeedEvil: [1] x-window-manager cannot open display: check your DISPLAY variable |
| 17:14.49 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: dunno |
| 17:15.03 | mbuf | SpeedEvil: ok |
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| 17:15.20 | ScaredyCat | can't you do it like you would wiht xnest |
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| 17:15.49 | SpeedEvil | xnest isn't on the phone |
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| 17:16.14 | SpeedEvil | so it's the same case running it, or running a normal servefr |
| 17:16.26 | SpeedEvil | cayco: you can only read out the battery voltage. |
| 17:16.34 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo |
| 17:16.36 | Tyrae1 | squalyl: I followed this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 now I'm compiling. |
| 17:16.41 | ScaredyCat | Starting X nexsted server |
| 17:17.03 | SpeedEvil | 'apm' gives a rough percentage. |
| 17:17.23 | SpeedEvil | Basically - 80%-50% is really 90%-10% |
| 17:17.59 | jonibo | With bitbake 1.8.6 I'm getting a lot of these messages "Message:no such table: BB_URLDATA" |
| 17:18.08 | jonibo | anyone know what this is related to? |
| 17:18.22 | *** part/#openmoko mdt (n=mdt@littlelun.emdete.de) |
| 17:18.23 | ScaredyCat | xnest doesn't need to be on the phone |
| 17:18.37 | Tyrae1 | cayco: Where do you find a 2300mAh battery? |
| 17:18.55 | SpeedEvil | No, but if it's not, it's exactly the same procedure to start using it as any server. |
| 17:19.07 | SpeedEvil | cayco: also - the battery almost certainly won't actually charge. |
| 17:19.10 | SpeedEvil | (in the neo) |
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| 17:20.41 | cayco | Tyrae1: allegro.pl :) polish auction site |
| 17:21.02 | cayco | Tyrae1: i realy doubt it has so much mAh but it should be more thatn 1400mAh |
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| 17:21.27 | cayco | oh, actualy it says 2600mAh |
| 17:21.44 | Writchie | what size is it |
| 17:22.05 | Henrikw | finally got my hands on my neo :) can't wait to play with it |
| 17:22.20 | cayco | Writchie: it's standar BL-5C |
| 17:22.51 | Writchie | unlikely to be 2600 mAhr in that volumes |
| 17:23.02 | mbuf | the .ipk can be treated similar to .deb? so if we re-build a new package, we can simply install it on the Neo and test it? or, what is the preferred method of building, testing it on the phone? |
| 17:23.32 | cayco | Writchie: i know, but it should be more than default one... anyway it's only about $9... |
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| 17:23.46 | jonibo | BB_URLDATA errors are apparently related to bitbake-HEAD... with 1.8.6 it's ok. |
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| 17:25.02 | Writchie | i think you'll be luckly to get 1200 maHr out of it |
| 17:25.51 | cayco | Writchie: hmm, we'll se |
| 17:26.21 | ScaredyCat | mbuf: just try : ssh -l root -X -v phone |
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| 17:28.29 | mbuf | ScaredyCat: cool :) now xev works! |
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| 17:29.28 | mbuf | ScaredyCat: if i want to test other GUI, like x-window-manager, openmoko-dialer do i need to add any settings? |
| 17:29.39 | ScaredyCat | now be a good mbuf and document it on the wiki.... |
| 17:30.09 | ScaredyCat | you should be able to fir up x-window-manager |
| 17:30.15 | ScaredyCat | fire |
| 17:32.10 | Kero | nice backlight, can set it to really low brightness |
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| 17:34.11 | mbuf | ScaredyCat: running x-window-manger, i see only top and bottom menu bar; |
| 17:34.29 | ScaredyCat | give it a sec |
| 17:35.28 | SpeedEvil | Kero: Though I notice that for me 'zero' is around 204 |
| 17:35.29 | mbuf | OpenMoko taskmanager appears, but the top menubar is cluttered; clicking on it says, no popup for type 1; return |
| 17:36.00 | BryceLeo|Work2 | anyone know what battery is compatible with the gta01? |
| 17:36.08 | Kero | SpeedEvil: I see 200, at least. lemme try lower... |
| 17:36.21 | pjz | BryceLeo|Work2: discussed in detail on the wiki |
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| 17:36.36 | BryceLeo|Work2 | pjz where on the wiki i've only found the part on the us bleads |
| 17:36.44 | BryceLeo|Work2 | pjz and how to make the force charger |
| 17:37.15 | Tyrae1 | it is possible to connect directly a |
| 17:37.17 | BryceLeo|Work2 | nvm, just had to shorten the search |
| 17:37.20 | pjz | BryceLeo|Work2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery |
| 17:37.36 | Kero | it fades off completely at 190 |
| 17:37.39 | Tyrae1 | ops, I press enter. |
| 17:37.45 | pjz | BryceLeo|Work2: which is the first hit if you search for 'battery' |
| 17:37.51 | Kero | SpeedEvil: maybe my eyes are a tiny bit better than yours :) |
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| 17:39.10 | BryceLeo|Work2 | thank pjz i found it |
| 17:39.57 | Kero | is it a LED backlight ? |
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| 17:40.25 | mbuf | SpeedEvil: xrandr -o left, turned the complete X display side ways! lol |
| 17:40.43 | *** part/#openmoko Majorie (n=Majorie@p508CE96D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:41.04 | mbuf | ScaredyCat: message was for you, xrandr -o left, turned X display sidewards, completely |
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| 17:41.39 | ScaredyCat | hehh |
| 17:42.40 | Kero | mm, "toppoly and philips" displays. |
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| 17:43.26 | mbuf | ScaredyCat: finger-demo opens correctly, which is ok for my needs |
| 17:44.13 | ScaredyCat | are you using Xnest too ? |
| 17:44.35 | mbuf | ScaredyCat: no, just ssh -l root -X -v phone |
| 17:44.56 | mbuf | what is the terminal application called? |
| 17:45.03 | ScaredyCat | right... but if you start xnest : xterm |
| 17:45.09 | ScaredyCat | oopps |
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| 17:45.28 | ScaredyCat | Xnest :1 -dpi 283 -geometry 480x640+86+295 |
| 17:45.30 | ScaredyCat | on pc |
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| 17:45.53 | ScaredyCat | ssh to phone twith ssh -l root -X -v phone |
| 17:46.09 | ScaredyCat | export the phone display to -> pc |
| 17:46.24 | mbuf | i see |
| 17:46.32 | ScaredyCat | export DISPLAY=192.168.0.200:1.0 |
| 17:46.49 | ScaredyCat | then on the phone type x-window-manager |
| 17:47.07 | ScaredyCat | you might need to allow ports... |
| 17:47.13 | BryceLeo|Work2 | good, so it looks like the bl6c should work in the gta01 |
| 17:47.13 | ScaredyCat | possibly xhost it |
| 17:47.31 | mbuf | ScaredyCat: i think it is best if you document this stuff on wiki; |
| 17:48.17 | ScaredyCat | I want you to because a) you'll learn it b) you'll see the bits that I miss, since it's your 'first time' |
| 17:48.48 | ScaredyCat | and 3) I'm a lazy c*&t |
| 17:48.57 | ScaredyCat | that was cat... |
| 17:49.09 | leppoc | :D |
| 17:49.13 | leppoc | lol |
| 17:51.38 | mbuf | ScaredyCat: lol, and change your name too |
| 17:52.12 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 17:54.02 | mbuf | ScaredyCat: appreciate your help |
| 17:54.07 | mbuf | later |
| 17:54.12 | ScaredyCat | no probs... |
| 17:54.16 | ScaredyCat | hope it helps |
| 17:54.19 | ScaredyCat | oh.. |
| 17:54.25 | ScaredyCat | oh well.. |
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| 17:57.48 | SpeedEvil | Ah - the american patent system at its best. |
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| 17:58.49 | squalyl | [ a) then b) then 3) :D ] |
| 17:58.50 | mjr | yay |
| 17:59.16 | squalyl | (sorry for the lag there was a scrolling problem T_T) |
| 17:59.31 | leppoc | LOL squalyl :D |
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| 17:59.52 | squalyl | ^^ |
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| 18:00.16 | noon | hello |
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| 18:02.14 | leppoc | hello |
| 18:02.30 | ScaredyCat | yes squalyl .. it was deliberate - for effect .. :/ |
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| 18:05.33 | deepank__ | how long the phone lasts on a full battery? just curious |
| 18:05.56 | anrp | depends on what you're doing |
| 18:06.06 | anrp | if you're going flat out, maybe 2-4 |
| 18:06.15 | anrp | everything asleep, at least a day |
| 18:06.16 | BryceLeo|Work2 | if anyone is having Battery problems on the gta01 and you want a charger for just the battery http://tinyurl.com/37k3mf should work |
| 18:06.21 | deepank__ | yes thats true.. but suppose I just keep the ram and the gms modem powered on |
| 18:06.36 | deepank__ | *gsm |
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| 18:06.43 | deepank__ | ok. |
| 18:06.55 | anrp | it's not developed to the point where you can do that yet though |
| 18:06.59 | anrp | moar software needed |
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| 18:08.39 | deepank__ | really? |
| 18:09.07 | deepank__ | when it is asleep with (sleep 1; echo mem > /sys/power/state) command then what else is powered on |
| 18:09.48 | anrp | well You can do that, and it works (mostly) |
| 18:09.54 | anrp | but that's not really a solution :P |
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| 18:10.11 | deepank__ | yes thats true. :) . |
| 18:10.51 | anrp | also, two out of three times i tried that the kernel panic'd, so... |
| 18:11.14 | deepank__ | I never had the problem though i tried only twice till now |
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| 18:11.30 | deepank__ | mostly I shut it down |
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| 18:15.37 | dotmef | I'm having trouble building uboot-gta01. is there a way of excluding it from the make? |
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| 18:18.50 | ScaredyCat | ermm. |
| 18:19.14 | ScaredyCat | has anyone else spotted 'openmoko-chordmaster' ? |
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| 18:30.00 | squalyl | I'm searching for a PHP bittorrent tracker. Seems to be not so easy to find. Any hint? |
| 18:32.49 | rushforth | anyone had any issues w/ gtkcombobox.c compiling |
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| 18:33.10 | rushforth | http://pastebin.com/m2b693549 |
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| 18:37.49 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU_on_MacOSX]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[User:PhlintPhour]] [[OpenMoko_talk:Searching]] [[OpenMoko:Searching]] |
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| 18:42.48 | SpeedEvil | deepank_: it seems to be at least the modem. Suspend to memory takes about 30mA - which includes the GSM modem. |
| 18:42.56 | SpeedEvil | I need to do some more testing. |
| 18:43.13 | SpeedEvil | I hope that lots of stuff is turned on. |
| 18:43.20 | SpeedEvil | so it can be turned off. |
| 18:43.39 | SpeedEvil | If 30mA is really the load with only the modem, that would be very dissapointing. |
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| 18:45.15 | deepank_ | yes it would be. But I think there must be other stuff turned on |
| 18:45.27 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure that there is not. |
| 18:45.34 | Hadaka | Um, doesn't 30mA already equal around 4 days? |
| 18:45.45 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 18:45.50 | SpeedEvil | 1200/30 = 40 |
| 18:46.01 | SpeedEvil | 40/24 = 1.7 or so |
| 18:46.04 | daxxar | <2 days? |
| 18:46.28 | Hadaka | hmmh |
| 18:46.35 | SpeedEvil | At the moment. |
| 18:46.42 | Vegar | that makes me wonder how other phones manage to use so little power |
| 18:46.47 | Henrikw | wow.. thats, eh.. not very good is it? :/ |
| 18:46.51 | SpeedEvil | I'd say all that you can say for certain about the power use is that it's 'to be discovered'. |
| 18:47.09 | deepank_ | it is basically going to come down? |
| 18:47.15 | SpeedEvil | Well. |
| 18:47.26 | SpeedEvil | 1/7 kernel power managment techniques is implemented. |
| 18:48.03 | deepank_ | pretty much work to be done yet. |
| 18:48.09 | SpeedEvil | Basically. |
| 18:48.17 | SpeedEvil | And then there is all the userspace stuff. |
| 18:48.21 | Hadaka | Idle, but connected to network, probably 30mW |
| 18:48.31 | Hadaka | In P0 and P1 phones, the battery has a total of 1200mAh, at 3.6V. This is approximately 3500mWh |
| 18:48.41 | SpeedEvil | For example, in normal use on a call, talking, there is no need to have the screen and CPU on. |
| 18:48.49 | SpeedEvil | It can be in suspend-mem. |
| 18:48.55 | Hadaka | am I missing something? |
| 18:48.59 | deepank_ | yes.. i get the point. |
| 18:49.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 693 has been created by mail(AT)mmontour.net |
| 18:49.02 | cdbot2 | * * Invalid timeval passed to setitmer() |
| 18:49.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=693 |
| 18:49.29 | SpeedEvil | madwoota: measured power use of 100mW |
| 18:49.37 | SpeedEvil | Hadaka: even |
| 18:50.16 | deepank_ | Hadaka: Speedevil said 30mA. So power = 30 * 3.6 |
| 18:50.43 | Hadaka | so someone measured the power current being 30mA? |
| 18:50.49 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 18:50.50 | SpeedEvil | Me. |
| 18:51.10 | Hadaka | Ah, right - because the figure was the same as 30mW in the wiki, I just thought it was a typo |
| 18:51.14 | deepank_ | how do you measure it. being ccurious |
| 18:51.27 | Kero | ehm. why is there moko11 in /lib/modules when the kernel is moko10... |
| 18:51.31 | SpeedEvil | Splice into the battery->neo connection. |
| 18:51.41 | SpeedEvil | Series resistor -> DMM +scope |
| 18:51.46 | daxxar | Kero: Because your rootfs doesn't match your kernel. |
| 18:52.00 | daxxar | Kero: Your rootfs is newer than the kernel, so you've got the wrong modules. You need to upgrade kernel or downgrade rootfs. |
| 18:52.25 | daxxar | Kero: The chooseopen.com-mirror only has moko10 kernel, but the newest rootfs is moko11 |
| 18:52.27 | Hadaka | SpeedEvil: do you have your measurements up somewhere to be seen? have you done other measurements? |
| 18:52.28 | daxxar | Strange. |
| 18:53.02 | deepank_ | yes please put it up on wiki :) |
| 18:53.14 | Kero | someone needs to learn to group kernel + rootfs :) |
| 18:53.25 | SpeedEvil | Hadaka: Multiply by 5.7 to get current in mA. |
| 18:53.44 | SpeedEvil | 29.5 - screen off cpu on |
| 18:53.53 | Kero | and I need to learn to build my own images at some point (but not now) |
| 18:54.00 | SpeedEvil | gsm on - 29.8 |
| 18:54.08 | SpeedEvil | gsm on + logged into network - 30 |
| 18:54.15 | SpeedEvil | call connected - 54 |
| 18:54.21 | SpeedEvil | bt on +3 |
| 18:54.27 | SpeedEvil | backlight on +13 |
| 18:54.42 | deepank_ | backlight just takes 13 mA |
| 18:54.43 | SpeedEvil | suspend-RAM - 5.5 |
| 18:54.45 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 18:54.48 | SpeedEvil | multiply by 5.7 |
| 18:55.10 | SpeedEvil | so So around 30mA in suspend. |
| 18:55.13 | Hadaka | SpeedEvil: great work! |
| 18:55.23 | SpeedEvil | I need to actually do something more than this. |
| 18:55.35 | SpeedEvil | I'm going to tonight, and get it nicely presented on the wiki |
| 18:55.49 | deepank_ | that will be great |
| 18:55.51 | SpeedEvil | I need a 'modem off' in suspend-RAm number |
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| 18:56.15 | SpeedEvil | It certainly does recieve calls in suspend-RAM, in the 30mA mode. |
| 18:56.26 | SpeedEvil | but gives 'busy' as it hasn't been setup to wake |
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| 18:56.46 | Hadaka | SpeedEvil: also, could you verify that if GSM/bluetooth/whatever is left powered on, and openmoko is shutdown - do they still keep on drawing power or are they powered off as well |
| 18:57.15 | SpeedEvil | If you shutdown with power off on the menu after clicking, then the modem is _not_ turned off. |
| 18:57.52 | SpeedEvil | The safest way is to either power off from u-boot, or to pull the battery for a moment after it's off. |
| 18:58.12 | Hadaka | SpeedEvil: so the OS can shut down, CPU off, even if GSM is on? man, that's weird |
| 18:58.26 | SpeedEvil | The modem is connected directly to the battery. |
| 18:58.36 | ewon | wire in a Big Red Switch :) |
| 18:58.41 | Hadaka | ah, well that explains it ;) |
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| 18:59.07 | Hadaka | is there anything else that could be left on? bluetooth is via usb - something else? |
| 18:59.17 | SpeedEvil | bluetooth can't. |
| 18:59.26 | SpeedEvil | It can't wake the CPU in this version. |
| 18:59.39 | Hadaka | nods |
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| 19:00.33 | Hadaka | well, I'm hoping power managements so good that I can actually have the battery last for one day with what I want |
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| 19:00.55 | SpeedEvil | The guesses in the power managment page seem not _too_ far off. |
| 19:01.21 | Hadaka | which is mostly: gps location every minute atleast, gprs always on, data packets a couple per minute, cpu on (mhz may be low but not slow mode), bluetooth on but idle |
| 19:02.54 | mjr | I'd be good with slow mode and bt just on-demand... |
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| 19:03.35 | Hadaka | but, getting the battery to last for 24h with that would mean 145mW - doesn't sound too easy :( |
| 19:04.51 | |R | i wonder if having an auto-detected OTR style encryption be possible over GSM with other Moko friends... |
| 19:04.59 | |R | that would rock ;) |
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| 19:06.04 | mjr | do you mean voice encryption? Done to death, short of it: Need GSM data connection, will have some latency. Or GPRS with insane latency / push-to-talk. |
| 19:06.43 | mjr | for IM, the usual encrypted IM protocols should do |
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| 19:09.06 | jeddy3_ | where does module string in python come from? :) |
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| 19:09.33 | mjr | python-stringold - 2.4.4-ml0 - Python String APIs [deprecated] |
| 19:09.58 | leppoc | n |
| 19:10.03 | leppoc | oups |
| 19:10.05 | leppoc | sory |
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| 19:10.45 | jeddy3_ | mjr, aah thanks |
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| 19:29.05 | raynet | humm.. after playing couple days with my Neo i must say i am not very impressed with X11 + GTK as UI for mobilephone. fortunately i can just use my own, which is nice |
| 19:29.19 | Stephmw | any specifics? |
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| 19:30.22 | raynet | Stephmw: it just feels somewhat clunky. yeah, gonna do some finger usability tests next week when i begin my neo-hacking |
| 19:31.12 | raynet | gonna do also some performance tests with X11+GTK and framebuffer, though with some hardware acceleration that wont be that important |
| 19:31.52 | raynet | imho the system needs a button for selecting: i wanna use my finger / i wanna use a stylus |
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| 19:32.07 | raynet | it is nearly impossible for me to quit programs without stylus |
| 19:32.38 | Stephmw | what about the Palm approach? (apps don't need explicit closing) |
| 19:32.41 | raynet | but i do like the theme, pretty good for this stage, needs just some polishing |
| 19:32.57 | mjr | raynet, the power button seems to quit focused program |
| 19:33.01 | mjr | a short press |
| 19:33.22 | raynet | mjr: i though it brought the "taskmanager" into focus |
| 19:33.53 | raynet | Stephmw: does palm quite the apps or are they left in the background (as in Symbian)? |
| 19:34.17 | mjr | I have the impression that palm runs everything in-place and never really quits them... |
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| 19:34.23 | mjr | but I'm not sure |
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| 19:34.44 | defer | hi |
| 19:34.55 | madeworkhard | palm seemed like it did some sort of weird task-switching to me.. |
| 19:34.59 | madeworkhard | when I used it.. |
| 19:35.15 | Stephmw | Palm apps were designed to not keep state in ram |
| 19:35.22 | Stephmw | so killing them had little effect |
| 19:35.26 | raynet | ah |
| 19:35.37 | Stephmw | run out of ram? kill the process :) |
| 19:35.39 | raynet | they uses some system service for storing state? |
| 19:35.45 | raynet | or data |
| 19:35.56 | Stephmw | as far as I could tell |
| 19:36.01 | a1r | raynet: i agree. it is clunky.. gnome full on may be overkill. also, some apps should be "single instance only" since doubling them does little and only chews up more resources |
| 19:36.02 | Stephmw | I didn't delve too deeply |
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| 19:36.19 | mwester | Very different model for Palm apps, which is why they are difficult to port to Linux... |
| 19:36.31 | Stephmw | it's a very nice approach though |
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| 19:36.40 | Stephmw | let the user decide which app they want around |
| 19:36.46 | raynet | also i hope that some programs can be given uber-priority, so that when eg. someone calls, every other program can be instantly halted so you can answer the call |
| 19:36.50 | raynet | or something like that |
| 19:37.12 | Stephmw | call handling has to be handled as near RT as possible |
| 19:37.19 | mjr | a1r, there are "SingleInstance=true" lines in desktop entries; haven't checked if they're listened to |
| 19:37.29 | a1r | i want to use my fingers mainly... just want the basics (like iphone [ dare i say it ? ] ) and want them to work well |
| 19:37.30 | SpeedEvil | Call handling isn't really RT |
| 19:37.30 | mjr | on the Moko, that is |
| 19:37.38 | mwester | Yep, a good model -- and there's no reason that a similar framework to do that can't be built on top of Linux either. It just needs interested people to do it. |
| 19:37.38 | a1r | mjr: thanks .. i'll check into that .. |
| 19:37.38 | SpeedEvil | a half second either way makes no difference. |
| 19:37.52 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: I disagree |
| 19:37.52 | mjr | not on all apps, though |
| 19:37.57 | mjr | maybe more could use them |
| 19:38.07 | defer | is there some kind of entry level todo list? something more objective than the wishlist |
| 19:38.07 | aloril | defer: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:38.17 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: it's atrocious user experience to have any delay on the core feature |
| 19:38.20 | SpeedEvil | Stephmw: Why? Does it really matter to you if a call takes 0.5s more to ring? |
| 19:38.28 | SpeedEvil | Ah - I don't mean what you mean I think. |
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| 19:38.41 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: no, it matters if your call takes 0.5s to go from you pressing <answer> to being able to use it |
| 19:38.43 | SpeedEvil | I mean strict latency on the phone-UI app. |
| 19:38.48 | mjr | I mean, one assumes that only one dialer would be needed, but the dialer's desktop file says SingleInstance=false :] |
| 19:38.58 | a1r | i think the actual interaction with the phone must be speedy but waiting for a call can take longer |
| 19:39.13 | SpeedEvil | It's not an issue if the phone takes 0.5s to wake up and tell you that you've got a call is what I mean. |
| 19:39.24 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: ok, that much I agree with |
| 19:39.26 | Hadaka | have you people used symbian based phones? there's crashing dial tones, horrible lagging user interface, phone calls lose sound, etc. etc. - being better than that is no big hurdle, finetuning can be left for later |
| 19:39.33 | raynet | SpeedEvil: but when i click, dial, it needs to be instant |
| 19:39.35 | guerby | counter |
| 19:39.35 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com (and read topic) (1795;252) |
| 19:39.37 | SpeedEvil | 0.5s from user click to stuff happening is _bad_. |
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| 19:39.47 | raynet | any sluggishness there isnt good |
| 19:39.48 | SpeedEvil | Unless of course it's unavoidable network delays. |
| 19:39.53 | Stephmw | Hadaka: I strongly disagree on that |
| 19:40.06 | Stephmw | Hadaka: leaving that to later can lead to big architectural issues |
| 19:40.11 | a1r | is the wm in use just the one from gnome ? |
| 19:40.21 | SpeedEvil | But GTK+ X is not the bottleneck. |
| 19:40.26 | mwester | Hadaka: to build something that is merely "less horrible" than something else does not make it acceptable. |
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| 19:40.38 | SpeedEvil | There are lots of games that _easily_ achieve this sort of performance. |
| 19:41.30 | Hadaka | there's a time/benefit trade-off obviously - if there's enough time and manpower, anything can be done - being better than symbian already clears that hurdle, it's probably more useful to concentrate on other things |
| 19:41.34 | Kero | "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'informative_failure'" <== "informative", suuure... :( |
| 19:41.45 | a1r | i'd like a fatfingers interface .. just plain simple and big easily pressed buttons for fingers... no stylus needed, no small menus, no small text |
| 19:42.02 | SpeedEvil | I think people are forgetting how fast a 266Mhz processor is. |
| 19:42.17 | SpeedEvil | Yes, it's slow, compared to current desktop stuff. |
| 19:42.37 | Stephmw | Hadaka: I'm going to get religious on the call handling stuff - for me it's got to be a perfect experience. I'm sick of new phones on the market bundling the kitchen sink of feature ranges but fucking up call handling |
| 19:42.43 | SpeedEvil | However, I've been using X on P100 pretty recently, and with the appropriate software it's just fine. |
| 19:43.11 | SpeedEvil | Key is to avoid swapping, get important apps resident in the background. |
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| 19:43.24 | raynet | SpeedEvil: current desktop is just bloated, by old WindowMaker has been always snappy, even with 200MHz pentium (no-mmx) |
| 19:43.36 | raynet | before that i used even faster FVWM |
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| 19:43.47 | a1r | i used to run x11 on a 66Mhz 486 with 8M ram no problem. some software has gotten bigger in the last 14 years : ) those were the days of slackware on floppy disk sets : ) |
| 19:43.49 | Kero | SpeedEvil: we have a phone that has more CPU power than mainframes of the 70's ? |
| 19:43.53 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 19:43.54 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: how feasible is XIP with current flash speeds? |
| 19:44.01 | SpeedEvil | Stephmw: not. |
| 19:44.07 | SpeedEvil | well - not with the current flash chips. |
| 19:44.12 | SpeedEvil | in the neo. |
| 19:44.22 | Stephmw | I figured... ah well. |
| 19:44.26 | SpeedEvil | XIP from flash can be done with other sorts of - more expensive - flash. |
| 19:44.58 | SpeedEvil | However, as a first-cut, simply mlocking openmoko-dialer and libs into RAM isn't horrible. |
| 19:45.03 | mjr | a1r, ahh yes, the good old days. when I upgraded from 4->5 X became almost usable. 8 was great |
| 19:45.14 | Stephmw | that's fair |
| 19:45.40 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: how does the Neo's flash compare to fast SD cards? what throughput is it capable of? |
| 19:45.55 | Hadaka | I've been really happy with the speed stuff runs on the Neo - I guess I'll be a lot happier with GTA02 :) |
| 19:45.56 | raynet | ah, still need to test swap over NFS over GPRS on Neo |
| 19:46.10 | mjr | raynet, nonono, iSCSI! |
| 19:46.13 | raynet | mosix would be fun too |
| 19:46.13 | Stephmw | raynet: GPRS? Infidel! In my days, we used SMS/IP |
| 19:46.26 | Stephmw | IP/SMS even.. |
| 19:46.34 | SpeedEvil | NAND - 4.5s to cat /usr/bin - 12M |
| 19:46.35 | raynet | Stephmw: i dont have flatfee SMS just flatfee GPRS/EDGE/3G |
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| 19:47.09 | Stephmw | raynet: don't think anyone does these days... but just to put it in perspective... there is indeed an IP/SMS implementation around |
| 19:47.25 | mjr | some guys apparently did IP/SMS for a while here when the telcos had unlimited SMS plans... They quickly capped them to a thousand or so... |
| 19:47.29 | ewon | didn't ac write it? |
| 19:47.35 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: ouch. that's _really_ slow |
| 19:47.41 | raynet | mjr: i bet :) |
| 19:48.05 | SpeedEvil | SD - 86M, 24s |
| 19:48.08 | mjr | but nowadays there's cheap flat gprs/etc so that's okay |
| 19:48.24 | raynet | i recall when one finnish telco advertised free SMS, after 3 days they refined it to 1000 per month and you werent allowed to send them by any automated system |
| 19:48.33 | SpeedEvil | This is the included SD |
| 19:48.53 | mjr | raynet, yeah, I think we're talking about the same thing :] |
| 19:48.58 | Stephmw | hrmm, not a huge difference |
| 19:49.27 | Stephmw | hopefully some photog with a fast SD will try it |
| 19:49.33 | Stephmw | the bus might be the bottleneck |
| 19:49.42 | SpeedEvil | 3Mb/s or so on both NAND and SD then |
| 19:50.28 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 19:50.36 | Stephmw | is cat buffered? |
| 19:50.52 | SpeedEvil | My neo has crashed. |
| 19:51.04 | Stephmw | woops |
| 19:51.06 | SpeedEvil | After doing the cat of the mtdblock device |
| 19:51.14 | SpeedEvil | dd rather |
| 19:51.25 | SpeedEvil | And yes, I got if and of round the right way :) |
| 19:51.44 | Stephmw | haha |
| 19:51.52 | SpeedEvil | and SD is dead. |
| 19:51.57 | defer | i'm building with mokomakefile and ncurses just failed, any tips? |
| 19:51.58 | raynet | nice |
| 19:52.23 | Stephmw | ok, looking at SD card perfs (in cameras), SD should be able to reach 9MB/s with expensive cards... ~3MB/s is the cheapest |
| 19:52.28 | SpeedEvil | Is anything builtin to ash? |
| 19:52.34 | SpeedEvil | echo * doesn't work to ls |
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| 19:53.21 | mjr | SpeedEvil, I've reported SD access bugs, I've only had the driver crash on writes though |
| 19:53.26 | SpeedEvil | I can't think of anything meaningfull to do. |
| 19:53.36 | mjr | well a bug |
| 19:54.13 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: so, taking the max possible for SD... I don't think 9MB/s is really fast enough for XIP either |
| 19:54.26 | SpeedEvil | XIP has a technical meaning. |
| 19:54.27 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: if XIP comes, it'll have to be onboard flash |
| 19:54.45 | SpeedEvil | It means that the CPU accesses the flash as it does RAM. |
| 19:54.49 | SpeedEvil | At comparable speeds. |
| 19:55.07 | SpeedEvil | SD is on a seperate bus, and orders of magnitude slower - it can't do this. |
| 19:55.09 | Stephmw | doesn't have to be comparable, as long as it's acceptable |
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| 19:55.27 | SpeedEvil | Indeed - but it's not on an appropriate bus. |
| 19:55.29 | Stephmw | but it clearly is neither on SD |
| 19:56.06 | Stephmw | no, it's not - but even in devices designed for fast throughput (pro cameras), they don't go past 9MB/s |
| 19:56.23 | Stephmw | they go for larger ram caches instead |
| 19:56.24 | SpeedEvil | As a comparison, RAM is 600MB/s or so |
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| 19:58.03 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Hello |
| 19:58.22 | Stephmw | interesting... looks like someone's trying to pass off on the Neo name and design... http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/580499/art/neo/galeo-4-gb-mp3-player.html |
| 19:58.34 | Stephmw | HistoryOnTheRoad: howdy |
| 19:58.39 | SpeedEvil | Crashed _hard_. |
| 19:58.49 | SpeedEvil | needed to pull battery. |
| 19:59.13 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Question about versions ... how do I know if my kernel and rootfs are compataible versions? |
| 19:59.13 | ferric | alloo. |
| 19:59.22 | mjr | SpeedEvil, mmh. For my sd problems reboot was enough. |
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| 19:59.24 | SpeedEvil | They work? |
| 20:00.05 | HistoryOnTheRoad | For some subset of "work"? :) |
| 20:00.43 | HistoryOnTheRoad | My neo boots, but I see complaints about "missing" stuff, so my instinct is my kernel doesn't match the rootfs modules |
| 20:00.56 | SpeedEvil | HistoryOnTheRoad: I saw that. |
| 20:01.05 | SpeedEvil | I needed to wipe my NAND before DFUng |
| 20:01.22 | Kero | anyone knows qemu images for running openmoko on my PC? can't seem to find them... |
| 20:02.09 | HistoryOnTheRoad | SpeedEvil: I'm guessing I'm using the kernel from the factory .. I downloaded the latest rootfs from the openmoko site though |
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| 20:02.52 | henla464_ | im getting error when building, using make openmoko-devel-image |
| 20:02.56 | henla464_ | NOTE: Task failed: Fetch failed: http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/git_www.denx.de.git.u-boot.git._8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6.tar.gz |
| 20:03.33 | henla464_ | That file doesn't exist |
| 20:03.47 | HistoryOnTheRoad | (I'm using the dfutil on a mac if that makes any diff) |
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| 20:05.26 | Tyrae1 | locales generation is broken? |
| 20:06.20 | Tyrae1 | we should set ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" in the local.conf? |
| 20:06.29 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Is there a way to start the keyboard without ssh=ing into the neo? |
| 20:06.38 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 20:06.43 | SpeedEvil | tap white rectangle |
| 20:06.48 | W00tomgbb | If the Neo asks for my PIN that probably means my SIM is working, right? |
| 20:06.56 | mmazur | Yup. |
| 20:07.13 | mmazur | Just don't click 'ok' too often. You'll block your sim card like.. er... some ppl I know. |
| 20:07.17 | SpeedEvil | tap right side for picking keyb or stroke recognier. |
| 20:07.36 | ckuethe | mmazur: been there done that |
| 20:08.04 | SpeedEvil | http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix03/tech/freenix03/full_papers/worth/worth_html/xstroke.html is a useful reference. |
| 20:08.57 | SpeedEvil | Though /me wishes it had a direction recogniser too. |
| 20:09.05 | mmazur | ckuethe, yeah, that.. er.. friend of mine kind of has his puk somewhere else. |
| 20:09.34 | ewon | lol |
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| 20:09.54 | ckuethe | and that's how i learned that i had to call my carrier to get the PUK/PUK2 codes |
| 20:10.01 | mjr | it'd be nice if we got the stroke recognizer working properly, then the neo could call the paramedics automatically |
| 20:10.23 | W00tomgbb | The Wiki states that the dialer now works. Since when should this be the case? Is it only true for 2007.2? I don't seem to be able to make a call with my built from around the 3rd of August. |
| 20:10.25 | ckuethe | mjr: no, get the touchscreen to recognize being stabbed... |
| 20:10.34 | SpeedEvil | It works for me. |
| 20:10.54 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2662 10/trunk/oe/packages/uboot/uboot-gta01_svn.bb: uboot: try downloading file from buildhost instead of downloads.openmoko.org (which seems to be unsynchronized) |
| 20:10.54 | ckuethe | though it should probably recognize slices and lacerations too |
| 20:11.59 | Hadaka | hmh, apparently mickeyl is fixing the mokomakefile build problem |
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| 20:13.22 | Hadaka | me, I'm just hoping to manage to build a working openmoko-today at *some* point |
| 20:14.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 694 has been created by <autobuild-report> |
| 20:14.02 | cdbot2 | * * uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-r13_0_2632_0-do_fetch |
| 20:14.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=694 |
| 20:14.31 | mjr | But can we get an X-ray machine for GTA03? |
| 20:15.41 | Hadaka | if this rootfs isn't completely screwed, I think I'm going to fix the damn segfault instead of trying to build a working version |
| 20:16.22 | tHe_IkkE | mjr: You can get one of those x-ray usb dongles and connect them right now to your GTA01!! |
| 20:17.25 | stefan|camp | mickey|bbl: Working? |
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| 20:17.34 | ossman | nbd_, ping |
| 20:17.48 | mjr | tHe_IkkE, but I have to provide external 5V/500mA :I |
| 20:18.14 | mickey|bbl | stefan|camp: only shortly. tomorrow i'll complete the simple power management and button handling task. how's it going w/ your and daniels tasks? |
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| 20:18.45 | stefan|camp | mickey|bbl: I will start mine again right now. Temperature is better at night at the camp. |
| 20:19.00 | noon | SpeedEvil: does gllin make a logfile? |
| 20:19.07 | stefan|camp | mickey|bbl: zecke suggested you will also come for a short visit? |
| 20:19.21 | noon | SpeedEvil: or could gllin be configured to make a logfile? |
| 20:19.34 | mickey|bbl | stefan|camp: yeah, if all goes well I'll come on thursday evening and will stay there for until friday evening |
| 20:19.45 | stefan|camp | mickey|bbl: (tasks) I'll start with the category stuff and switch over to keyboard popup afterwards. |
| 20:20.01 | stefan|camp | mickey|bbl: Cool. zecke is already right to me. :) |
| 20:20.02 | mickey|bbl | stefan|camp: ok. you have been in contact with the guys and know about the mapping file? |
| 20:20.15 | stefan|camp | mickey|bbl: http://svn.o-hand.com/repos/poky/trunk/meta/packages/matchbox-desktop-sato/matchbox-desktop-sato_svn.bb |
| 20:20.16 | stefan|camp | :) |
| 20:20.21 | mickey|bbl | stefan|camp: sounds like a big party. greetings from me |
| 20:20.21 | HistoryOnTheRoad | grrrr, I think I didn't shut down my neo completely :S |
| 20:20.26 | stefan|camp | Nice to steal the stuff from poky. ;) |
| 20:20.33 | mickey|bbl | yeah |
| 20:20.39 | stefan|camp | mickey|bbl: greetings back |
| 20:20.48 | mickey|bbl | thanks |
| 20:20.58 | stefan|camp | mickey|bbl: For the keyboard stuff I need to ask ross again |
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| 20:21.13 | mickey|bbl | we have a problem with new today builds. it SIGSEGVs starting from 20070802 |
| 20:21.19 | mickey|bbl | 20070801 is ok |
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| 20:21.25 | stefan|camp | mickey|bbl: yeah, I've seen that |
| 20:21.29 | mickey|bbl | Thomas said because we don't ship eds-calendar |
| 20:21.39 | stefan|camp | mickey|bbl: Something more about it? |
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| 20:21.41 | mickey|bbl | if you have time, please look into that. maybe comparing our eds build in OE w/ pokys |
| 20:21.57 | mickey|bbl | seen psplash? |
| 20:21.59 | stefan|camp | mickey|bbl: hmm, ok. I'll give it a try. |
| 20:22.56 | mickey|bbl | i'm talking to Sean later tonite to see whether we can come up with a concrete time plan for the announcement/snapshot image release/oe migration |
| 20:23.07 | mickey|bbl | will be back in a couple of hours, cu later |
| 20:23.17 | Hadaka | mickey|bbl: excellent! you are doing a great job :) |
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| 20:24.18 | Kero | hrm. where are the svn repos http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/How_to_run_OpenMoko_Apps_on_PC is mentioning... |
| 20:25.10 | Hadaka | oh btw, an official build of the u-boot that actually erases the rootfs properly would be great |
| 20:25.56 | mdt | hadara, i don't touch my u-boot :D |
| 20:26.12 | Hadaka | me neither - but that's one fix that I might touch it for |
| 20:26.34 | Hadaka | I hate having to type 'nand erase rootfs' and fear if I accidentally press enter before getting to the rootfs part |
| 20:26.56 | mdt | why do u erase it anyway? |
| 20:28.02 | Hadaka | mdt: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/commitlog/2007-August/002274.html |
| 20:28.34 | thomasg__ | can someone paste me the standard openmoko taskfile for bitbake? |
| 20:28.54 | mdt | hadara, no, i meant why do u have to erase the rootfs? |
| 20:29.17 | Hadaka | mdt: because of the bug referenced there - that is, I get jffs2 errors on boot |
| 20:29.36 | Hadaka | mdt: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=419 |
| 20:29.36 | stefan|camp | mickey|bbl: Sorry, power failure. Geeks need to much power. |
| 20:31.28 | SpeedEvil | The true geek can run from a car battery for a week. :) |
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| 20:32.58 | don-o | maybe the battery from that electric formula-1 car made from a zillion li-ion laptop batteries. |
| 20:33.00 | mdt | hadara, what does that mean for the rootfs when the flashing succeeded? is it 3MB smaller than expected? |
| 20:33.08 | Hadaka | every geek should always have a hand-crank usb charger |
| 20:33.19 | Hadaka | mdt: it means files are corrupted, it will show errors and nothing works |
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| 20:34.03 | mdt | hadara, after a flash of a big file... yes, i understand. but if the flash worked ok... what then? |
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| 20:34.34 | Hadaka | mdt: like I said, flashing works fine, but when booting the phone, errors are reported and things are broken |
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| 20:35.07 | daMaestro | Hadaka, have you tried erasing the rootfs and kernel space on the nand? |
| 20:35.08 | mdt | hadara, you didn't get my question: whats with other rootfs |
| 20:35.16 | daMaestro | i have had to do that to get a clean flash |
| 20:35.22 | Hadaka | mdt: I still don't get you :( |
| 20:35.47 | Hadaka | daMaestro: I was just complaining about that problem, nand erase rootfs works - and I'm hoping for an officially compiled u-boot which has that fixed - I don't dare to try my own |
| 20:35.50 | mdt | hadara, i flashed my phone once and don't wont to do that again because i use ipkg and feel fine |
| 20:36.10 | mdt | hadara, question is: is there something wrong with my rootfs now (or later :D ) |
| 20:36.29 | mdt | hadara, the rootfs flashed fine and boots wonderful |
| 20:36.30 | daMaestro | Hadaka, yeah.. i've had to nand erase clean rootfs and kernel when flashing |
| 20:36.34 | Hadaka | mdt: no, only if you flash a new one and have filled the old one rather completely |
| 20:37.02 | mdt | hadara, ah, okay, so jffs2 does the erase for those parts? |
| 20:37.39 | Hadaka | mdt: the problem is that when flashing a *new* rootfs, the old rootfs must be erased - and by default u-boot doesn't erase the very tail of the old rootfs - so if there's anything there, there will be crud left behind |
| 20:38.12 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko:Searching]] |
| 20:38.12 | mdt | hadara, understood that, yes |
| 20:38.13 | Hadaka | mdt: if you aren't flashing a new rootfs, there's nothing to handle - there's no crud anywhere |
| 20:38.28 | Hadaka | mdt: u-boot isn't even active when the phone is booted normally |
| 20:38.40 | Hadaka | WOOOHOOOOOOOO! openmoko-today works! |
| 20:38.42 | mdt | hadara, i know |
| 20:38.48 | daMaestro | Hadaka, ? |
| 20:39.02 | thomasg__ | sry for asking again, but could someone paste me the standard openmoko taskfile for bitbake? |
| 20:39.11 | Hadaka | daMaestro: ...on my hand built OM2007.2 images... |
| 20:39.14 | daMaestro | ahh |
| 20:39.30 | daMaestro | i'm close to just wiping my build sys and starting over |
| 20:39.37 | thomasg__ | Hadaka, I have own om2007.2 images, but my rootfs is about 40 mb big |
| 20:39.38 | daMaestro | i'm still getting the issues with uboot |
| 20:39.39 | Hadaka | thomasg__: what do you mean by the 'standard' images? I can give you OM2007.2 .bb file if that's what you mean |
| 20:39.45 | Hadaka | thomasg__: yup, so it is |
| 20:39.58 | thomasg__ | I'm wondering why it is so big |
| 20:40.03 | Hadaka | thomasg__: more stuff |
| 20:40.11 | thomasg__ | according to my task-openmoko.bb it doesn't contain as much stuff |
| 20:40.14 | Hadaka | thomasg__: completely different distribution |
| 20:40.18 | daMaestro | how do i build OM2007.3? |
| 20:40.19 | daMaestro | err |
| 20:40.21 | daMaestro | how do i build OM2007.2? |
| 20:40.31 | thomasg__ | daMaestro, blank openembedded without openmoko overlay |
| 20:41.08 | thomasg__ | Hadaka, when I try to flash the 40mb image, the neo crashes :( |
| 20:41.32 | Hadaka | thomasg__: when booting the image you mean? |
| 20:41.35 | thomasg__ | no |
| 20:41.40 | thomasg__ | during the flashing |
| 20:41.58 | thomasg__ | the neo simply turns of after a while at ext2load ... |
| 20:41.58 | Hadaka | thomasg__: how does it crash? dfu-util error or an actual crash or something? |
| 20:42.06 | thomasg__ | I do not use dfu-util |
| 20:42.16 | thomasg__ | I'm flashing from microSD to NAND |
| 20:42.16 | Hadaka | ah, then I can't help you |
| 20:42.36 | thomasg__ | ok, maybe I should try dfu-util |
| 20:43.00 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 |
| 20:43.10 | thomasg__ | and the om2007.2 bb-file is $OMDIR/org.openembedded.dev/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb, isn't it? |
| 20:43.29 | HistoryOnTheRoad | If I get a network registration, does that mean the GSM part is seeing my SIM card? |
| 20:43.40 | thomasg__ | HistoryOnTheRoad, yes |
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| 20:43.57 | thomasg__ | if you see the network registration you should also get some signal-quality messages |
| 20:44.34 | thomasg__ | then enter your pin via AT+CPIN="$YOURPIN" |
| 20:44.43 | thomasg__ | after that you should be able to do a call |
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| 20:45.07 | Hadaka | thomasg__: I suppose |
| 20:45.13 | thomasg__ | ok, I do, too :) |
| 20:45.35 | thomasg__ | is the image working for you? |
| 20:45.44 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I don't think I have a PIN ... I don't on my usual phone |
| 20:45.52 | Hadaka | thomasg__: this latest image is now, yes |
| 20:46.26 | thomasg__ | can you tell me if the efl are included? :) (e.g. libedje.so) |
| 20:46.46 | Kero | wow. that SVN repo svn.openmoko.org is half empty... |
| 20:47.17 | Hadaka | root@fic-gta01:~$ find / -name "*edje*" |
| 20:47.17 | Hadaka | root@fic-gta01:~$ |
| 20:47.27 | thomasg__ | ok :) |
| 20:48.39 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Hmmm. If my Neo was in sleep and ran the battery out, if I plug it in how long will it be before I can power it on? |
| 20:48.53 | thomasg__ | HistoryOnTheRoad, 5-10 minutes |
| 20:48.55 | daMaestro | thomasg__, Hadaka .. ok so to build OM2007.2 i need to trash everything that mokomakefile did? and work through that/those wikipages for om2007.2? |
| 20:49.30 | thomasg__ | daMaestro, rwhitby would recommend you to use the nslu2-makefile :) |
| 20:49.34 | W00tomgbb | thomasg__: took several hours for me... |
| 20:49.45 | daMaestro | which is where? |
| 20:49.47 | thomasg__ | W00tomgbb, what? |
| 20:49.53 | Hadaka | hmh, I haven't tried that |
| 20:50.00 | thomasg__ | daMaestro, I would tell you, but mit firefox is dying at moment... |
| 20:50.33 | daMaestro | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Development/MasterMakefile ? |
| 20:50.43 | thomasg__ | should be right, yes |
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| 20:51.32 | daMaestro | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/Makefile seems more correct |
| 20:51.39 | W00tomgbb | on reliably... |
| 20:51.46 | W00tomgbb | thomasg__: If the battery runs out, it takes hours on trickle charge to get the phone to turn the thing back |
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| 20:51.59 | W00tomgbb | Read the lines the other way around... -_-' |
| 20:52.00 | thomasg__ | W00tomgbb, not for me |
| 20:52.12 | thomasg__ | and it was running out of power several times here :) |
| 20:52.22 | W00tomgbb | So, what's your trick? :D |
| 20:52.47 | thomasg__ | if it doesnt work after 10 minutes, remove the battery, the simcard and the usb cable |
| 20:52.59 | thomasg__ | then wait a minute and it will work. that always helped for me |
| 20:53.15 | HistoryOnTheRoad | thomasg__: Thanks. Does the host have to be USB 2.0, or will 1.1 work there too? |
| 20:53.19 | thomasg__ | (before it will work you have to put the battery and simcard back :) ) |
| 20:53.28 | thomasg__ | my host has usb 2.0 |
| 20:53.42 | mjr | Neo is a USB 1.1 device, it doesn't matter |
| 20:53.56 | thomasg__ | well, I don't know what power is specified for usb 1.1 |
| 20:54.08 | thomasg__ | so maybe it does matter |
| 20:54.17 | Writchie|away | HistoryOnTheRoad: Sometimes it can take several hours to charge the battery enough. |
| 20:54.29 | mdt | i dont find the page anymore mentioing the cable to use the neo as master on usb-bus... |
| 20:54.38 | Writchie | it will not fast charge until it enumerates |
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| 20:54.45 | mjr | mdt, yeah it was retconned |
| 20:54.48 | thomasg__ | Writchie, I haven't discovered anything like this, and my neo was running out of battery at least 10 times |
| 20:54.49 | bedboi | hi there guys |
| 20:55.01 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Writchie: grrr, I'm not usually that patient :P |
| 20:55.05 | mdt | mjr, retconned? |
| 20:55.06 | Writchie | running out of battery as in 2 days |
| 20:55.25 | mjr | retroactive continuity, written out of existence |
| 20:55.55 | Hadaka | I have had to charge my neo for a couple hours as well after draining the battery fully |
| 20:56.22 | HistoryOnTheRoad | thomasg__: Does the AT+ PIN part have to be done, even if I don't usually use a PIN code for my SIM card? |
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| 20:56.36 | thomasg__ | HistoryOnTheRoad, I don't know, but I don't think so |
| 20:56.42 | Writchie | no |
| 20:56.51 | thomasg__ | ah, I forgot: you also have to do AT+COPS |
| 20:57.07 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Well, I did get a connect and some signal level notices |
| 20:57.16 | thomasg__ | than you can try to call via ATC123456789; (123... is the number, and dont forget the ; after it) |
| 20:57.38 | HistoryOnTheRoad | but dialout doesn't work, and dial to my number is a "busy/no answer" transfer right away |
| 20:58.05 | HistoryOnTheRoad | thomasg__: It's not like that in the wiki, If I recall |
| 20:58.37 | thomasg__ | for me this way always worked: |
| 20:58.48 | W00tomgbb | Should the dialer (2007 from 3rd of August) work, or do I have to use the manual way? |
| 20:58.59 | Hadaka | well great, X crashed |
| 20:59.13 | thomasg__ | ATE1 - AT+COPS - AT+CPIN="PIN" - ATCnumber; |
| 20:59.21 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Hadaka: I hate when Y crashes too. :P |
| 20:59.33 | Hadaka | ;) |
| 21:00.03 | bedboi | Is anyone aware of delivering times ? I mean are there some phones in the stocks? |
| 21:00.03 | HistoryOnTheRoad | thomasg__: Ok, What does E1 and COPS do? (The others I know) |
| 21:00.18 | SpeedEvil | e1 = echo |
| 21:00.27 | SpeedEvil | cops = register with the cops |
| 21:00.41 | SpeedEvil | More seriously - register with the network. |
| 21:00.50 | thomasg__ | cops = cell operators iirc |
| 21:00.58 | SpeedEvil | More seriously - register with any network your SIM is authorised to use in your location. |
| 21:01.16 | Hadaka | oh btw, just out of curiosity - what is needed to be able to call 911/112? |
| 21:01.19 | HistoryOnTheRoad | bedboi: There is a shipment supposed to come to CA, USA for August, from what I was reading at one point. I can't remember details, though. |
| 21:01.35 | Hadaka | without sim card, that is |
| 21:02.12 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I should have remembered E1 (Doh!!) |
| 21:02.14 | SpeedEvil | Hadaka: A change of legislation in the UK. |
| 21:02.17 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Cops ... :P |
| 21:02.21 | SpeedEvil | To require operators to allow it. |
| 21:02.48 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I think I was using the "first" mode |
| 21:03.07 | Hadaka | hmh, I think it's just about the other way in Finland - having a phone which doesn't allow emergency calls without a sim card is dubious |
| 21:03.25 | W00tomgbb | bedboi: If you order now, you'll have to wait at least until September 10. If you already ordered, it depends if your order is still in the mid-August shipment. |
| 21:03.46 | bedboi | ah ok. that's quite bad. |
| 21:03.47 | HistoryOnTheRoad | O == antenna on |
| 21:03.59 | HistoryOnTheRoad | R == register with network |
| 21:04.07 | HistoryOnTheRoad | D(string) == dial |
| 21:04.07 | Writchie | IIRC emergency call without sim will work in US |
| 21:04.22 | HistoryOnTheRoad | and Canada, supposedly |
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| 21:04.32 | Writchie | at least for 911 and 112 |
| 21:04.33 | bedboi | W00tomgbb: so i think I will place an order for GTA02 release |
| 21:04.41 | Writchie | call back may work as well |
| 21:04.41 | Hadaka | but my question was pretty much that what does one have to do on the AT command layer to be able to do an emergency call without sim |
| 21:05.16 | Writchie | ATD112; out to do it if you're that bold |
| 21:05.40 | Writchie | you always get called back, at least if you have a SIM |
| 21:05.47 | Writchie | this happens a lot with 999 |
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| 21:06.02 | aleflamed | hi everyone. I'm still trying gsm, so don't flame me "it isn't ready yet": does anyone get the following: |
| 21:06.02 | aleflamed | at+cops=? |
| 21:06.02 | aleflamed | +CME ERROR: SIM wrong |
| 21:06.03 | aleflamed | at+cops=0 |
| 21:06.03 | aleflamed | +CME ERROR: network not allowed - emergency calls only |
| 21:06.03 | aloril | aleflamed: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 21:06.42 | Writchie | aleflamed: are you ussing an AT&T SIM |
| 21:06.59 | aleflamed | no, it is orange (in israel - maybe it is different then orange in us) |
| 21:07.00 | Hadaka | heh I think I got my answer there |
| 21:07.31 | Writchie | you might want to try re-inserting the SIM |
| 21:07.35 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Hadaka: I don't know if the dialler allows it yet (GUI piece) |
| 21:07.49 | aleflamed | Did that at least 5 times by now (ok, not that large a number, but enough) |
| 21:07.54 | Writchie | there are many problems with the AT&T 3G SIMs in the US. |
| 21:08.04 | Writchie | is you sim for a 3G phone? |
| 21:08.14 | Hadaka | HistoryOnTheRoad: well it's good if it doesn't - I don't want to call 112 while developing :) |
| 21:08.21 | aleflamed | I'm not sure - is samsung SGH-X200 3G? googling |
| 21:08.32 | thomasg__ | but it's definately a AT&T fault. I use it with a T-Mobile USIM (germany) |
| 21:08.33 | aleflamed | (it's pretty old) |
| 21:09.21 | thomasg__ | btw. is there a difference between dfu-util (openmoko) and dfutool (bluez)? |
| 21:09.30 | cjb | uh, presumably |
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| 21:09.45 | cjb | given that bluez == bluetooth, and USB dfu-util has approximately nothing to do with bluetooth |
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| 21:10.02 | cjb | they are probably both dfu (device firmware update) clients, one for USB and the other for bluetooth |
| 21:10.04 | SpeedEvil | Some USB dongles reportedly support DFU. |
| 21:10.07 | cjb | but unfortunately similarly named |
| 21:10.10 | Writchie | aleflamed: is the SIM marked 5V? |
| 21:10.21 | cjb | SpeedEvil: I've used some that do. Really quite a few do. |
| 21:10.36 | HistoryOnTheRoad | It would be nice to flash the phone by bluetooth :) (But I don't think that is supported yet) |
| 21:10.58 | aleflamed | Writchie: I think it isn't 3G. Can you tell? http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Samsung-SGH-X200-phone-p_1322.html |
| 21:11.28 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ok, more general question while I'm waiting for my phone to charge ... anyone actually made a call on the Neo yet? :) |
| 21:11.29 | Writchie | the samsung is not 3G |
| 21:11.29 | aleflamed | Writchie: anyway, what has that got to do with "SIM Wrong" or the other error message? |
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| 21:12.01 | aleflamed | Writchie: I don't really want to open the phone and find out.. it says "SIM+" on it, I don't think it says anything else. |
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| 21:12.54 | aleflamed | Writchie: there are other error codes for missing sim (according to the spec), but I don't know what "SIM Wrong" /means/. Does anyone? |
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| 21:13.47 | aleflamed | going to catch some Z. |
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| 21:21.36 | daMaestro | HistoryOnTheRoad, yes |
| 21:21.46 | daMaestro | HistoryOnTheRoad, made and received |
| 21:22.32 | daMaestro | i even got web browsing working |
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| 21:25.05 | HistoryOnTheRoad | daMaestro: Now you are going to make me jealous. Do you have a SIM card with a PIN? |
| 21:25.16 | daMaestro | no, no pin |
| 21:25.38 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Are you using the dialer GUI app or doing it manually? |
| 21:25.43 | daMaestro | both work |
| 21:26.02 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I believe you, i just want to replicate it ;) |
| 21:26.25 | daMaestro | start basic and get it to call |
| 21:26.50 | daMaestro | btw, nothing really started working until i built my own image and then erased the rootfs and kernel and flashed it again |
| 21:26.57 | daMaestro | nothing from buildhost really worked well for me |
| 21:27.19 | daMaestro | i'm trying om2007.2 now |
| 21:27.20 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Well, that isn't encouraging. :S |
| 21:27.23 | W00tomgbb | Can you share your binaries? |
| 21:27.45 | daMaestro | i could sure, it would take most of the evening to upload to a server with a good link |
| 21:28.02 | daMaestro | oh, wait.. i just trashed the om build dir in favor of om2007.2 |
| 21:28.11 | daMaestro | if that builds i can upload the images somewhere |
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| 21:28.31 | W00tomgbb | I'd appreciate that! |
| 21:28.39 | daMaestro | i'm thinking of building a live image that has a full build env already populated |
| 21:28.54 | HistoryOnTheRoad | My image booted, but I think I have a kernel/rootfs mismatch |
| 21:28.54 | daMaestro | so you just run the live cd and can update when needed |
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| 21:29.29 | borg_ | my OM2007.2 image is finally ready |
| 21:29.33 | borg_ | and it doesnt work :) |
| 21:29.37 | mdt | if i changed my rootfs a lot on the device - can i use dfu to read the whole image, flash something other rootfs for testing and flash the first rootfs back later? |
| 21:29.43 | daMaestro | borg_, darn. |
| 21:29.51 | borg_ | i get this nice new booscreen |
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| 21:30.04 | borg_ | b/boo/boot |
| 21:30.16 | borg_ | it runs till the end |
| 21:30.21 | borg_ | and then it gets stuck |
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| 21:30.24 | borg_ | i can ping it |
| 21:30.31 | borg_ | but there is no ssh |
| 21:30.34 | borg_ | damn |
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| 21:30.47 | daMaestro | well. i'm off for lunch; i just launched a build in screen on my build vm |
| 21:31.47 | borg_ | is there a possibility to start it without the new start screen? |
| 21:32.23 | thomasg__ | Hadaka, to use dfu-util I have to start the usb-mode in u-boot, correct? |
| 21:32.52 | borg_ | thomasg__: correct |
| 21:32.56 | jseghers | Question: When I run the ARM QEMU version of OM, all the icons work fine. When I run x86 chroot'ed (via Xephyr) a lot of the icons show up as red X documents. Anyone know what needs to be done to have the icons show up? |
| 21:34.10 | thomasg__ | borg_, I just wonder why dfu-util --list only shows Found Runtime: [0x1457:0x5119] devnum=108, cfg=0, intf=2, alt=0, name="USB Device Firmware Upgrade" - and not the single DFUs (boot, rootfs, ...) |
| 21:34.31 | rwhitby | thomasg: it always does that |
| 21:34.39 | rwhitby | just download and it will switch itself |
| 21:34.48 | rwhitby | use the names for the -a option (kernel, rootfs) |
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| 21:35.19 | thomasg__ | rwhitby, k, thx |
| 21:35.25 | Stephmw | hey woglinde |
| 21:35.33 | woglinde | hi stephwm |
| 21:35.42 | thomasg__ | running dfu-util as user (not root) shouldn't be a problem, right? |
| 21:35.51 | rwhitby | the reason is cause there is more than one usb config, and the dfu config is different from the usb serial acm0 config, so it has to switch |
| 21:35.55 | woglinde | you should have rights on the devices |
| 21:36.02 | woglinde | otherwise dfu-utils will fails |
| 21:36.55 | jseghers | Question: When I run the ARM QEMU version of OM, all the icons work fine. When I run x86 chroot'ed (via Xephyr) a lot of the icons show up as red X documents. Anyone know what needs to be done to have the icons show up? |
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| 21:40.38 | Ryback_ | hi people. I was wondering.. which X server are you guys using? kdrive? |
| 21:41.10 | mjr | yeah |
| 21:41.33 | Ryback_ | where can I find the source code? |
| 21:41.43 | Ryback_ | upstream? |
| 21:42.24 | Ryback_ | mjr: ^ |
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| 21:43.17 | woglinde | bitbake -c unpack xserver-kdrive |
| 21:44.44 | Ryback_ | woglinde: k, thanks |
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| 21:45.10 | woglinde | ryback if you are firm enough with bitbake |
| 21:46.36 | thomasg__ | hm, dfu-util makes the whol thing really easier |
| 21:49.20 | Ryback_ | woglinde: what do you mean? |
| 21:49.53 | woglinde | ryback what you didnt unterstand? |
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| 21:57.39 | Ryback_ | woglinde: "if you are firm enough with bitbake" |
| 21:57.57 | woglinde | bitbake is the tool which builds all |
| 21:58.06 | woglinde | even xerver-kdrive |
| 21:58.16 | Ryback_ | woglinde: I know that, but what do you mean by "firm enough"? |
| 21:58.30 | thomasg__ | yeah, my own 2007.2 is booting :) |
| 21:58.35 | woglinde | ryback okay than forget what I said ;) |
| 21:58.36 | thomasg__ | thanks again for all the help :) |
| 21:58.36 | LarstiQ | Ryback_: put your foot down if it wants to stay up late. |
| 21:59.19 | woglinde | ryback sorry didnt want offend you |
| 21:59.21 | Ryback_ | LarstiQ, woglinde: got it now. sorry, not a native speaker :-) |
| 21:59.28 | mmazur | thomasg__, tell about the differences. |
| 21:59.37 | Ryback_ | woglinde: don't worry, you didn't :-) |
| 21:59.39 | borg_ | thomasg__: are you getting behind the new start screen? |
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| 21:59.46 | LarstiQ | Ryback_: did you get my joke then? |
| 21:59.52 | Ryback_ | LarstiQ: yep |
| 21:59.56 | LarstiQ | good :) |
| 21:59.57 | thomasg__ | borg_, yes, I do, but it seems it is only loading the top bar |
| 22:00.04 | borg_ | mh |
| 22:00.24 | thomasg__ | I can see the icons (gsm, usb, ...) but nothing else |
| 22:00.24 | borg_ | one step further then me ;) |
| 22:00.34 | borg_ | do you have ssh access? |
| 22:00.39 | thomasg__ | let my try |
| 22:00.41 | thomasg__ | *me |
| 22:02.01 | thomasg__ | borg_, yes, I have |
| 22:02.15 | borg_ | nice! |
| 22:02.16 | holycow | so so |
| 22:02.16 | borg_ | :) |
| 22:02.23 | holycow | what about this rumour google using openmoko? |
| 22:02.33 | holycow | i think getting google sponsorship would be the cats meaow |
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| 22:02.43 | thomasg__ | holycow, it's that: rumour. |
| 22:02.52 | woglinde | holycow hm I only heard that they want to made a phone |
| 22:02.57 | woglinde | but nothing more |
| 22:02.59 | holycow | aha |
| 22:03.08 | woglinde | and I dont think they will use openmoko |
| 22:03.08 | thomasg__ | woglinde, that's all that is known :) |
| 22:03.21 | thomasg__ | and I'm sure they won't use a open platform |
| 22:03.23 | holycow | well tossing a few billion at openmoko really would be cool |
| 22:04.09 | woglinde | hm the tossed some dollars for summer of code |
| 22:04.18 | zecke | woglinde: hey |
| 22:04.22 | woglinde | oh he |
| 22:04.24 | zecke | woglinde: do you want to get your phone fixed? |
| 22:04.26 | thomasg__ | I'm sure openmoko will become a success without google (and that's what I whish sean, harald and the rest of the team: the success and that without google or another huge company) |
| 22:04.30 | holycow | woglinde, ah you particapated in that? sweet |
| 22:04.41 | woglinde | holycow no I am to lame |
| 22:04.45 | holycow | thomasg, indeed |
| 22:04.54 | woglinde | zecke I thought no network on the camp |
| 22:04.58 | LarstiQ | HistoryOnTheRoad: is she still in prison? ;) |
| 22:05.11 | Mukunda_ | I've run into this error trying to compile openmoko using mokomakefile, any clues? http://rafb.net/p/l8mHvB10.html |
| 22:05.11 | stefan|camp | woglinde: oh, it's fine. :) |
| 22:05.17 | woglinde | zecke you can do what you wont besides break it |
| 22:05.21 | woglinde | want |
| 22:05.23 | stefan|camp | woglinde: At least today. :) |
| 22:05.44 | woglinde | he stefan |
| 22:05.57 | stefan|camp | hi woglinde |
| 22:06.05 | stefan|camp | bbiab |
| 22:06.14 | woglinde | hm tommorrow it should rain and thunder |
| 22:06.24 | woglinde | I hope yu guys will survive |
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| 22:08.49 | noon | bye |
| 22:09.47 | borg_ | thomasg__: i can see the panel now too :) |
| 22:09.56 | thomasg__ | grats :P |
| 22:09.57 | HistoryOnTheRoad | LarstiQ: No, it booted once |
| 22:09.58 | HistoryOnTheRoad | :D |
| 22:10.09 | borg_ | repectively just the icons ;) |
| 22:10.20 | borg_ | but i can allready klick on the gsm icon |
| 22:10.29 | borg_ | mh |
| 22:10.37 | henla464_ | Mukunda_ i had similar problem an hour ago (havent had time to look at it yet) |
| 22:10.39 | thomasg__ | haven't tried, I forgot my stylus in my car :) |
| 22:10.46 | borg_ | :D |
| 22:10.46 | henla464_ | have you done the: make update-makefile ; make update ; make setup |
| 22:10.48 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: package uboot-gta 01-1.2.0+svn: failed |
| 22:10.51 | thomasg__ | but I can, too |
| 22:11.00 | thomasg__ | but X crashes when I try to power up the antenna |
| 22:11.03 | henla464_ | make clean-package-<foo> make all |
| 22:11.11 | borg_ | not here ;) |
| 22:11.23 | borg_ | so, how can we get a fully working X? ;) |
| 22:11.44 | thomasg__ | good question :) |
| 22:12.45 | thomasg__ | bah, this damn dead pixel |
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| 22:13.24 | woglinde | thomasg oh :) |
| 22:13.32 | woglinde | aeg ;( |
| 22:14.17 | thomasg__ | I ask me if it is possible to install libs via ipk on the microSD without having to do all the symlinks by hand |
| 22:14.39 | woglinde | hm? |
| 22:14.45 | woglinde | ipkg does the symlink |
| 22:14.57 | woglinde | but you must use ext2 or other os |
| 22:14.58 | Kero | ipkg does which symlink? |
| 22:15.03 | thomasg__ | so installing libs "external" is no problem at all? |
| 22:15.07 | woglinde | fat dont support links |
| 22:15.15 | woglinde | args os/fs |
| 22:15.16 | thomasg__ | yeah, I do not plan to use fat :) |
| 22:15.44 | bedboi | are you on diet? |
| 22:15.54 | woglinde | *g* |
| 22:16.06 | thomasg__ | did have a clown at breakfast? :) |
| 22:16.09 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Should I try my sim card again, or should I let her charge up a bit first? |
| 22:16.30 | woglinde | HistoryOnTheRoad let it charge full the first time |
| 22:16.35 | woglinde | its better for the battery |
| 22:16.54 | HistoryOnTheRoad | woglinde: I left it charge overnight when I first got it |
| 22:17.05 | woglinde | okay |
| 22:17.06 | woglinde | than |
| 22:17.08 | woglinde | try |
| 22:17.43 | guillaum1 | hi woglinde |
| 22:17.48 | woglinde | hi guillaum1 |
| 22:18.08 | woglinde | sorry for yesterday but my connection was broken for one hour |
| 22:18.18 | guillaum1 | np |
| 22:20.14 | *** part/#openmoko ozarka (n=elineber@12.106.220.2) |
| 22:21.32 | guillaum1 | woglinde, do you have an package cacao-cldc + midpath somewhere ? I would like to see it in qemu ;-) |
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| 22:21.36 | kristian-m | re |
| 22:21.48 | defer | can the neo1973 hardware do multitouching? I'm not talking about supporting it or anything, but is it possible? |
| 22:22.23 | thomasg__ | defer, no it can't |
| 22:22.26 | Hadaka | defer: nope |
| 22:22.55 | defer | ok, ty |
| 22:23.03 | defer | maybe it will be supported in a next generation :) |
| 22:23.10 | HistoryOnTheRoad | woo hoo :) |
| 22:23.15 | thomasg__ | it will. somewhen it will :) |
| 22:23.22 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Ok, any way to check the battery level? |
| 22:23.55 | borg_ | thomasg__: you can start openmoko-feedreader2 from console ;) |
| 22:24.07 | thomasg__ | hehe |
| 22:24.36 | defer | this may sound dumb, but it does work without a SIM right? |
| 22:24.55 | HistoryOnTheRoad | defer: Definately |
| 22:24.56 | HistoryOnTheRoad | :D |
| 22:25.02 | thomasg__ | it does - like a pda |
| 22:25.12 | Hadaka | defer: I've never had a sim in my openmoko yet |
| 22:25.22 | defer | great |
| 22:25.22 | defer | :) |
| 22:25.30 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Damn, what's that util to do GSM called? |
| 22:25.39 | Hadaka | HistoryOnTheRoad: libgsmd-tool |
| 22:26.07 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Hadaka: Merci |
| 22:26.18 | HistoryOnTheRoad | -m ? -something |
| 22:26.28 | Hadaka | HistoryOnTheRoad: -m shell |
| 22:26.31 | Hadaka | HistoryOnTheRoad: or -m atcmd |
| 22:27.08 | HistoryOnTheRoad | -m shell woo hoo |
| 22:27.09 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ok |
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| 22:27.36 | squalyl | hi |
| 22:27.51 | HistoryOnTheRoad | EVENT: Netreg searching for network |
| 22:28.01 | HistoryOnTheRoad | EVENT: Netreg registered (home network) LocationAreaCode |
| 22:28.07 | Hadaka | HistoryOnTheRoad: congrats! |
| 22:28.10 | HistoryOnTheRoad | EVENT: Signal Quality: 14 |
| 22:28.25 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I've gotten this far before, but no dialing worked :( |
| 22:28.44 | thomasg__ | borg_, after killing matchbox I get a mousepointer :) |
| 22:29.02 | defer | I envy you guys for being able to poke at the problems this early, i'd like to contribute too but I guess I'll be limited to emulation for a while |
| 22:29.12 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Ok, I dropped into atcmd mode |
| 22:29.18 | jseghers | Question: When I run the ARM QEMU version of OM, all the icons work fine. When I run x86 chroot'ed (via Xephyr) a lot of the icons show up as red X documents. Anyone know what needs to be done to have the icons show up? |
| 22:29.24 | HistoryOnTheRoad | AT+COPS seems to have worked |
| 22:29.41 | HistoryOnTheRoad | jseghers: Occasionally I get that on the Moko too, fwiw |
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| 22:30.27 | borg_ | thomasg__: i actually can read feeds with the feedreader now :)) |
| 22:30.47 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ok |
| 22:30.57 | HistoryOnTheRoad | dialing still isn't working |
| 22:31.06 | squalyl | could someone test if all is OK with this torrent? I'm setting up a tracker to allow the download of a vmware image with an openmoko build system. |
| 22:31.14 | squalyl | http://tracker.unsads.com/torrents-details.php?id=1 |
| 22:31.14 | HistoryOnTheRoad | DNPAXXXXXXXX |
| 22:31.17 | jseghers | HistoryOnTheRoad: It seems to be pretty consistent for me... QEMU with the locally built image works fine. Built for x86 and running chroot, it doesn't find the icons. |
| 22:31.21 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Dial blah |
| 22:31.25 | *** join/#openmoko rtm_ (n=rtm@pool-129-44-176-104.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 22:31.34 | HistoryOnTheRoad | EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: REJECT |
| 22:31.35 | HistoryOnTheRoad | RSTR=`NO CARRIER' |
| 22:31.35 | HistoryOnTheRoad | EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: RELEASE |
| 22:31.58 | HistoryOnTheRoad | jseghers: I haven't got the emu running yet. I will try and report though |
| 22:32.46 | caligari_spain | squalyl: corrupt torrent... |
| 22:32.51 | guillaum1 | hi squalyl |
| 22:32.57 | guillaum1 | same for me |
| 22:33.00 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Any ideas on my no dial problem? :S |
| 22:33.02 | Kero | Now I _finally_ have my Neo, I spent one evening rather futile trying to get things working. And then I won't be able to do anything in the next three weeks (conference, holiday). |
| 22:33.22 | *** join/#openmoko ashnazg (n=chuckles@adsl-155-155-193.bhm.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:33.23 | squalyl | hi guillaum1 |
| 22:33.25 | abraxa_ | Kero: Better than not having had the time to do anything with it at all :) |
| 22:33.44 | Kero | abraxa_: I blame UPS for not being able to play past weekend. |
| 22:33.53 | abraxa_ | Good choice |
| 22:34.03 | caligari_spain | where is the last flash binaries to qemu-neo1973? |
| 22:34.04 | aloril | caligari_spain: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:34.23 | *** part/#openmoko ashnazg (n=chuckles@adsl-155-155-193.bhm.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:34.57 | LarstiQ | Kero: ah, you caught them this time? |
| 22:35.09 | Kero | LarstiQ: fourth attempt... |
| 22:35.12 | squalyl | guillaum1, caligari_spain : I made it with bittorrent 5.0.8, could this explain why the torrent seems corrupted? |
| 22:37.05 | caligari_spain | squalyl: with ktorrent I have got an error message when downloading torrent: torrent probably corrupt or not a torrent file... |
| 22:37.17 | guillaum1 | squalyl, dunno. I'm not familiar with torrent stuffs |
| 22:37.31 | *** join/#openmoko infernixx (i=nix@unaffiliated/infernix) |
| 22:37.51 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Hmmm |
| 22:38.03 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Do I have to dial in International format? |
| 22:38.09 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Stylus_mount]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Scroll-wheel_%28side-mounted%29]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Ruggedized]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Solar_power]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] and other changes |
| 22:38.35 | caligari_spain | hey! excuseme! |
| 22:38.48 | caligari_spain | scualyl: it rulez! |
| 22:39.05 | caligari_spain | VMware-server-installer-1.0.3-44356.exe |
| 22:39.16 | caligari_spain | 146 Mb |
| 22:39.34 | caligari_spain | Please, seed it |
| 22:40.01 | guillaum1 | squalyl, azureus says: connection error (IOException:not in GZIP format) |
| 22:40.06 | squalyl | Yes. |
| 22:40.15 | squalyl | bittorrent console said the same thing |
| 22:40.22 | caligari_spain | http://tracker.unsads.com/torrents-details.php?id=1 is a web page, the torrent is http://tracker.unsads.com/download.php?id=1&name=VMware-server-installer-1.0.3-44356.exe.torrent |
| 22:40.23 | squalyl | but azureus 2.5 is ok |
| 22:40.25 | mjr | HistoryOnTheRoad, no |
| 22:40.30 | defer | caligari_spain: tell me if you solve the icons problem please |
| 22:41.06 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ATDT 4165551212 |
| 22:41.06 | HistoryOnTheRoad | STR=`ATDT' |
| 22:41.06 | HistoryOnTheRoad | RSTR=`NO CARRIER' |
| 22:41.06 | HistoryOnTheRoad | EVENT: Signal Quality: 17 |
| 22:41.06 | HistoryOnTheRoad | RSTR=`OK' |
| 22:41.07 | HistoryOnTheRoad | EVENT: Signal Quality: 20 |
| 22:41.09 | HistoryOnTheRoad | RSTR=`OK' |
| 22:41.11 | HistoryOnTheRoad | EVENT: Signal Quality: 16 |
| 22:41.13 | HistoryOnTheRoad | RSTR=`OK' |
| 22:41.15 | HistoryOnTheRoad | EVENT: Signal Quality: 19 |
| 22:41.17 | HistoryOnTheRoad | RSTR=`OK' |
| 22:41.19 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Looks promising, but if I could only dial :P |
| 22:41.20 | woglinde | he |
| 22:41.26 | HistoryOnTheRoad | mjr: Any clues? |
| 22:41.31 | defer | er i meant jseghers if you solve the icons problem please tell me |
| 22:41.34 | guillaum1 | squalyl, my version is 2.5.0.4 |
| 22:41.40 | Hadaka | HistoryOnTheRoad: why are you putting a space after ATDT? |
| 22:41.41 | caligari_spain | squalyl: seems no seeders: stalled... |
| 22:41.51 | squalyl | yes |
| 22:41.55 | squalyl | I know |
| 22:42.05 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Hadaka: Good question. Because I used to when I would talk to a modem :P |
| 22:42.05 | squalyl | I'm having a problem with azureus now |
| 22:42.53 | Hadaka | HistoryOnTheRoad: the "STR" part there loks kinda funky, like it would split the line at the space |
| 22:43.56 | squalyl | OK in theory, I'm seeding now |
| 22:44.13 | squalyl | please try if you have 1 minute :) |
| 22:45.31 | caligari_spain | stalled again... |
| 22:45.42 | *** join/#openmoko denis^da (n=denis@p5B07EF92.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:46.03 | *** join/#openmoko LaF0rge (n=laforge@berligate.hmw-consulting.de) |
| 22:46.19 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ATDT4165551212 |
| 22:46.19 | HistoryOnTheRoad | STR=`ATDT4165551212' |
| 22:46.19 | HistoryOnTheRoad | EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: UNKNOWN |
| 22:46.19 | HistoryOnTheRoad | EVENT: Outgoing Call Progress: REJECT |
| 22:46.29 | HistoryOnTheRoad | So, good guess, but no joy :S |
| 22:47.03 | squalyl | caligari_spain: Don't loose time, i'll try tomorrow. |
| 22:47.11 | squalyl | Now I'm asleep ... |
| 22:47.34 | squalyl | see you later and big thanks for your help |
| 22:47.42 | squalyl | big thanks guillaum1, too |
| 22:47.57 | squalyl | bye |
| 22:48.01 | caligari_spain | bye |
| 22:48.07 | mjr | HistoryOnTheRoad, I'm not sure, since I haven't made calls in raw mode, but are you sure ATDT will make a voice call and not a data call? 'cause if you're trying to make a data call it'd explain refusal if you don't have those in your plan |
| 22:48.19 | mjr | try the libgsmd-tool -m shell and dial from there |
| 22:48.41 | rwhitby | atdt can make a voice call |
| 22:48.53 | rwhitby | you need a ';' at the end though |
| 22:49.11 | mjr | so it may well be that then |
| 22:50.22 | caligari_spain | I am running qemu-neo, and it boots, but crash on Xinit: error while loading shared libraries: libz.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory... :-( Where is the problem? |
| 22:56.23 | *** join/#openmoko BonFire67 (i=gga@c01v-212-194-173-213.n.club-internet.fr) |
| 22:58.57 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Do you need a ";" after a D in shell mode? |
| 22:59.22 | rwhitby | you need it when talking directly to the serial interface. |
| 22:59.38 | mjr | (that is, no) |
| 23:00.09 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Ah. |
| 23:00.22 | *** join/#openmoko mayeco (n=mayeco@200.75.192.12) |
| 23:00.24 | HistoryOnTheRoad | ok, I'm still getting UNKNOWN/REJECT :( |
| 23:00.43 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I even tried injecting a 1 before the number |
| 23:01.55 | Writchie | tyr ATDT+1aaannnxxxx |
| 23:01.59 | *** join/#openmoko vallor (n=Rock@69-12-157-169.dsl.static.sonic.net) |
| 23:03.39 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I'm out of time now for this session :( |
| 23:03.44 | *** part/#openmoko mayeco (n=mayeco@200.75.192.12) |
| 23:04.00 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Thanks to all for your help, hopefully I'll get this going soon :) |
| 23:04.40 | caligari_spain | Where are the last flash binaries? |
| 23:04.58 | *** join/#openmoko mindCrime (n=chatzill@cpe-065-190-188-124.nc.res.rr.com) |
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| 23:05.22 | codyl | is anyone else having trouble dialing out with cingular ? |
| 23:05.27 | codyl | I get "NO CARRIER" |
| 23:07.22 | thomasg__ | cingular = AT&T? |
| 23:07.25 | daMaestro | you're lucky to even have your sim card work |
| 23:07.50 | HistoryOnTheRoad | (for some subset of working) :P |
| 23:08.12 | codyl | thomasg__, yes |
| 23:08.16 | woglinde | thoamsg yes at&t bought them |
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| 23:08.28 | thomasg__ | woglinde, yes, I remebered (I'm from europe) |
| 23:08.40 | thomasg__ | codyl, than you might have no luck |
| 23:08.50 | codyl | anyone dial successfully with them .. ? |
| 23:08.56 | thomasg__ | AT&T is making problems (maybe because of the 850 MHz band they use) |
| 23:09.08 | codyl | what are other people using for the "ATD" command ? |
| 23:09.10 | SpeedEvil | codyl: uS? |
| 23:09.19 | SpeedEvil | codyl: atd150 works for me |
| 23:09.25 | codyl | SpeedEvil, AT&T (Cingular) |
| 23:09.27 | SpeedEvil | (to dial my providers information line) |
| 23:09.35 | codyl | "NO CARRIER" |
| 23:09.41 | SpeedEvil | at+cops? |
| 23:09.45 | SpeedEvil | what does it say? |
| 23:09.46 | thomasg__ | codyl, you did AT+COPS |
| 23:09.53 | thomasg__ | erm, yes, what speedevil says |
| 23:09.57 | codyl | ys |
| 23:09.58 | codyl | yes |
| 23:09.59 | codyl | I get okay |
| 23:10.05 | *** join/#openmoko denis^da (n=denis@p5B07EF92.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:10.14 | codyl | at+cops? gives me "Cingular" too ! |
| 23:10.15 | SpeedEvil | You should get - with the ? after it - what netwoek you're lgged into. |
| 23:10.24 | codyl | AT+COPS? |
| 23:10.24 | codyl | +COPS: 0,0,"Cingular" |
| 23:10.25 | codyl | OK |
| 23:10.36 | codyl | did I have to do CPIN ? |
| 23:10.47 | SpeedEvil | Does your SIM need a pin? |
| 23:10.56 | codyl | never has |
| 23:11.10 | codyl | (I use an unlocked motorola linux phone) |
| 23:11.21 | *** join/#openmoko denis^da (n=denis@p5B07EF92.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:11.22 | daMaestro | codyl, you should add your sim model info on the att page as "working" aka.. it actually tries |
| 23:11.37 | daMaestro | codyl, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT |
| 23:11.48 | codyl | I wouldnt call this working.. |
| 23:12.33 | *** part/#openmoko BonFire67 (i=gga@c01v-212-194-173-213.n.club-internet.fr) |
| 23:12.46 | codyl | im gonna try again with gsmd this time |
| 23:13.04 | Tyrae1 | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ is up! |
| 23:14.37 | codyl | is it the fact I dont have the proper kernel modules ? |
| 23:14.43 | codyl | (I cant load any modules..) |
| 23:14.45 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 23:14.50 | SpeedEvil | you don't need any modules |
| 23:14.56 | codyl | all compiled in- good |
| 23:15.06 | SpeedEvil | what error does atd give? |
| 23:15.10 | daMaestro | i've had pretty good luck with the libgsm shell |
| 23:15.35 | daMaestro | and actually, with the last build that actually built (about 3 days ago now) i can use the dialer regularly |
| 23:15.48 | daMaestro | the sound levels are still a manual thing |
| 23:16.17 | codyl | SpeedEvil, "NO CARRIER" |
| 23:16.24 | SpeedEvil | immediately? |
| 23:16.28 | codyl | no..after a bit |
| 23:16.33 | SpeedEvil | Is it a prepay, or a contract SIM? |
| 23:16.53 | SpeedEvil | Does the other end ring - or do you get a different number on busy? |
| 23:17.02 | Tyrae1 | daMaestro: are you using 2007.2? |
| 23:17.02 | SpeedEvil | I.E. are you sure it will make calls normally |
| 23:17.19 | codyl | IT WORKS |
| 23:17.19 | daMaestro | Tyrae1, building it now |
| 23:17.25 | codyl | okay, here is the secret with AT&T |
| 23:17.27 | codyl | give it time.. |
| 23:17.48 | codyl | for whatever reason I had to wait about a minute after doing "R" from the gsmd shell |
| 23:17.51 | codyl | to dial.. |
| 23:17.52 | abraxa_ | Do the mass production Neos have green PCBs or red ones as the prototypes? |
| 23:17.54 | SpeedEvil | odd |
| 23:18.03 | codyl | (my motorola phones does this too..it just doesnt allow you to call during that time) |
| 23:18.16 | Tyrae1 | daMestro: me too (1730 of 3502) |
| 23:18.20 | codyl | perhaps there is some AT command we are missing for AT&T |
| 23:18.36 | codyl | but the motorola is from china! it doesnt even know about AT&T |
| 23:18.38 | codyl | really strange. |
| 23:18.53 | codyl | the call quality AWFUL btw |
| 23:19.17 | SpeedEvil | for me, it's quite high. |
| 23:19.26 | SpeedEvil | better than any other phone I've owned. |
| 23:19.30 | SpeedEvil | (which have been shit) |
| 23:19.37 | *** join/#openmoko BlackBsd (n=brian@72.168.193.117) |
| 23:19.37 | codyl | tons of static on my end |
| 23:19.54 | SpeedEvil | static, or codec noise? |
| 23:20.01 | codyl | might be codec noise |
| 23:20.03 | daMaestro | most likely codec noise |
| 23:20.05 | codyl | an odd hummm |
| 23:20.08 | daMaestro | i get that too |
| 23:20.14 | daMaestro | codyl, use alsamixer to fix it up |
| 23:20.16 | SpeedEvil | That's possibly mixer problems. |
| 23:20.17 | codyl | might ALA |
| 23:20.18 | codyl | ya |
| 23:20.57 | SpeedEvil | The mixer has around 1237940039285380274899124224 states :) |
| 23:21.02 | codyl | eek |
| 23:21.04 | codyl | LOL |
| 23:21.19 | SpeedEvil | There are ninety some individual mixers or switches. |
| 23:21.34 | SpeedEvil | Getting the signal path right isn't really trivial. |
| 23:21.37 | *** part/#openmoko guillaum1 (n=Guillaum@AMontsouris-153-1-77-144.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 23:21.41 | codyl | wow |
| 23:21.54 | codyl | also- the openmoko panel crashes if you try to use an applet |
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| 23:22.11 | SpeedEvil | It does that occasionally for me too - for some applets |
| 23:22.18 | linux_galore | ello moko nuts |
| 23:22.18 | SpeedEvil | the GSM antenna one is prone to it. |
| 23:22.30 | borg_ | Failed to make a connection to the session bus: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session |
| 23:22.39 | borg_ | does somebody have an idea what this means? |
| 23:22.46 | SpeedEvil | Sounds circular. |
| 23:23.47 | borg_ | i allready restartet dbus |
| 23:24.04 | mdt | what are the plan regarding a browser on the phone? |
| 23:24.26 | mdt | just gtk-html or more? |
| 23:24.35 | *** part/#openmoko Majorie (n=Majorie@p508CE96D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:24.42 | mdt | what about webkit? |
| 23:24.51 | borg_ | mdt: they are allready using webkit |
| 23:25.01 | borg_ | if you compile OM2007.2 |
| 23:25.05 | mdt | oups... |
| 23:25.07 | mdt | :D |
| 23:25.07 | borg_ | you can actually use the feedreader |
| 23:25.12 | borg_ | and surf with it |
| 23:25.13 | BlackBsd | isnt webkit a kde tool? |
| 23:25.17 | borg_ | iphone-like |
| 23:25.21 | mdt | it's a branche |
| 23:25.25 | borg_ | and it works veeery well |
| 23:25.25 | mdt | by apple |
| 23:25.52 | codyl | safari is based on it.. |
| 23:25.56 | BlackBsd | i think webkit is a kde tool to replace khtml |
| 23:26.13 | BlackBsd | and safari uses it as its engine |
| 23:26.19 | borg_ | no, webkit is a khtml branch by safari |
| 23:26.23 | borg_ | ööh |
| 23:26.25 | borg_ | by apple |
| 23:26.27 | borg_ | for safari |
| 23:26.36 | borg_ | but its opensource |
| 23:26.38 | SpeedEvil | Can anyone with hardware to hand - and the headset, do hexdump -C /dev/input/event0 |
| 23:27.01 | SpeedEvil | then plug in and uplug the headset, and click the hold button. |
| 23:27.08 | SpeedEvil | does the hold button generate an event. |
| 23:27.15 | SpeedEvil | For me, it doesn't - though it should. |
| 23:27.24 | SpeedEvil | Wondering if it's my headset. |
| 23:27.30 | mdt | give me a second |
| 23:27.43 | SpeedEvil | No hurry at all :) |
| 23:27.46 | borg_ | SpeedEvil: http://www.pastebin.ca/649257 |
| 23:28.00 | SpeedEvil | that doesn't help - as I can't decode it easily |
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| 23:28.09 | SpeedEvil | when you click the hold button - does it scroll? |
| 23:28.14 | mdt | inserting gives events, button not |
| 23:28.16 | BlackBsd | yes its a branch from khtml.. which was part of the kde libs |
| 23:28.20 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 23:28.28 | borg_ | SpeedEvil: no |
| 23:28.48 | borg_ | perhaps my button is broken |
| 23:28.52 | borg_ | dont know |
| 23:28.55 | mdt | mine too? |
| 23:29.00 | borg_ | :D |
| 23:29.18 | mdt | how are the buttons mapped anyway? |
| 23:29.44 | SpeedEvil | The headset jack insert 'button', the hold button, and the aux button all appear on /dev/input/event0 |
| 23:29.50 | SpeedEvil | touchscreen on /dev/input/event1 |
| 23:30.01 | SpeedEvil | power events on /dev/input/event2 |
| 23:30.28 | mjr | incl. power button? |
| 23:30.39 | SpeedEvil | Unsure |
| 23:30.40 | linux_galore | kde guys are moving away from khtml to something else from memory |
| 23:30.43 | mdt | but they apear on /dev/tty? also... are they mapped somehow? |
| 23:30.54 | SpeedEvil | I know that power button events don't appear in /dev/input/event0 |
| 23:31.06 | SpeedEvil | bugzilla is down... |
| 23:31.08 | mdt | SpeedEvil, i see those in ...2 |
| 23:31.22 | SpeedEvil | mdt: power button events? |
| 23:31.35 | SpeedEvil | ah - just slow. |
| 23:31.35 | codyl | SpeedEvil, successfully made a voice call- the person on the other end had no idea I was on a different phone |
| 23:31.41 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:31.43 | codyl | YAY |
| 23:31.49 | mdt | SpeedEvil, if i press the button i see event in /dev/input/event2 |
| 23:31.52 | codyl | sent an SMS- we will see if it works :-) |
| 23:31.59 | SpeedEvil | mdt: the power button? |
| 23:32.07 | mdt | SpeedEvil, yes |
| 23:33.18 | mdt | shouldn't there be a .bb file for webkit? |
| 23:33.33 | linux_galore | ah yes webkit is replacing khtml |
| 23:33.46 | mdt | linux_galore, hey you got it :D |
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| 23:34.13 | linux_galore | I think a few browsers are swapping to webkit |
| 23:34.43 | mdt | which one? |
| 23:34.52 | mdt | dillo? :D |
| 23:35.25 | linux_galore | Well Safari obviously, Im trying to remember the other two someone mentioned to me |
| 23:35.25 | mmazur | lynx |
| 23:35.47 | mdt | safari startet with webkit :) hard to switch then i assume... |
| 23:36.24 | linux_galore | I have a feeling opera may be looking at it |
| 23:36.46 | mdt | i don't think so, they are proud of their engine |
| 23:37.13 | BlackBsd | rwhitby, ping. |
| 23:37.41 | linux_galore | mdt: webkit has way more java extension support than Opera right now (Konqueror got a 100% pass mark and thats with khtml) |
| 23:38.10 | mdt | linux_galore, java? you mean javascript i assume... |
| 23:38.17 | linux_galore | yes sorry |
| 23:38.22 | jadams_ | holy crap I'm so eager for the hardware to ship to me |
| 23:38.27 | mdt | sry goes to sun... |
| 23:38.33 | mmazur | jadams_, don't worry, it won't boot. |
| 23:38.35 | mdt | ;) |
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| 23:38.51 | jadams_ | mmazur: bah, it'll start booting once it's got OM2007.2 on it, eh? |
| 23:39.33 | mmazur | Whoa. With .2 you might actually be able to make a *call* from it! |
| 23:39.49 | BlackBsd | is their a make target to download everything first before building |
| 23:39.58 | jadams_ | mmazur: yeah...I bought a development phone. Not sure what your tone's for |
| 23:40.00 | BlackBsd | mokomakefile that is |
| 23:40.08 | calamous_ | Dose anyone know why 3g sim 7300 4021 is both working and not working (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT)? |
| 23:40.20 | rwhitby | BlackBsd: gu |
| 23:40.31 | calamous_ | if someone reports success and another failure does that mean the neos are different? |
| 23:40.58 | BlackBsd | gu?? |
| 23:41.03 | rwhitby | pingu |
| 23:41.04 | BlackBsd | how are you? |
| 23:41.19 | mmazur | jadams_, just joking around :) It won't boot by default and I wasn't able to get a working call with the old software. |
| 23:41.27 | mmazur | Waiting for a .2 for dummies. |
| 23:41.28 | BlackBsd | i was wanting to know if there was a target to download everything before building |
| 23:41.36 | rwhitby | sorry, it's an in-joke. ping->gu-> pingu -> www.pingu.net |
| 23:41.43 | linux_galore | I remember Opera CEO bragging about 4 weeks ago that their browser will soon have 100% support for all the open standards scripting stuff and will be the first to do so, one problem Firefox already has a better score card and Konqueror gets a 100% pass mark as of kde 3.5.4 |
| 23:42.03 | rwhitby | there is not at the moment, but we can add one. Trouble is that the build will still go to the network for checking revisions (the svnnow stuff) |
| 23:42.29 | BlackBsd | my build is failing, i think because because of the svnnow things |
| 23:42.45 | calamous_ | linux_galore: I have a browser question? Why would a windows user download safari when he can get firefox? |
| 23:42.57 | mmazur | To get the ugly fonts. |
| 23:42.59 | mmazur | I mean. |
| 23:43.01 | mmazur | The nicer fonts. |
| 23:43.05 | BlackBsd | also i have vorbis source already on the pc, and it still wants to download things |
| 23:43.07 | calamous_ | I feel apple releasing safari was just a waist of resources on their part |
| 23:43.20 | linux_galore | calamous_: because some of the quirky features in Opera I suspect |
| 23:43.22 | BlackBsd | is there a way to compile qemu on a gentoo pc without 3.x |
| 23:43.29 | mmazur | calamous_, not really. Web developers was probably their target. |
| 23:43.43 | mmazur | calamous_, it's a lot less of a pita to test for safari, when you can just click and run it. |
| 23:43.57 | calamous_ | ahh ok |
| 23:44.17 | calamous_ | I was disipointed to learn that firefox was only 14% of the market share |
| 23:44.23 | calamous_ | I though it would be more |
| 23:44.25 | linux_galore | there are some pretty weird options in Opera, they are so weird I just cant use the thing |
| 23:45.03 | linux_galore | some people like all the extra crack though, I just find it confusing |
| 23:46.02 | Elrond | jadams_ - "development phone"? Are there other neos? |
| 23:46.19 | linux_galore | calamous_: depends what country, In Germany firefox is over 40% |
| 23:46.53 | calamous_ | linux_galore: Wow, thats nice. is I.E the other 60%? I don't know why people use the crap that MS puts out |
| 23:47.12 | BlackBsd | rwhitby, i dont want to bug you with newbie stuff, but i have tried to clean a package and rebuild and it keeps failing.. http://pastebin.com/m539503b2 |
| 23:47.21 | linux_galore | calamous_: also most people are scared shitless of their computer so try not to play with it by adding extra crap because they are worried it will break |
| 23:47.22 | Elrond | calamous_ - Because it's preinstalled. People don't like installing. |
| 23:47.44 | BlackBsd | this is also a fresh linux install so i was hoping my system is not missing something.. |
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| 23:48.19 | calamous_ | linux_galore: I guess that is the sad reality of the average user... |
| 23:48.41 | linux_galore | calamous_: I know senior IT guys who admin windows and they have a philosophy of not touching a windows machine because it might break even if it may improve it |
| 23:49.17 | rwhitby | BlackBsd: have you done a make update recently |
| 23:49.25 | rwhitby | there was a uboot fix in the last 12 hours |
| 23:49.32 | BlackBsd | maybe a few days ago, i can try again though |
| 23:50.02 | calamous_ | linux_galore: wow. thats crazy. An IT person told me his fav quote: "No one has ever been fired for going with microsoft" (which was said during a meeting discussing MS echange or an opensource directory) |
| 23:50.11 | Elrond | rwhitby - Did that uboot fix go into the mokomakfile build? |
| 23:50.26 | rwhitby | BlackBsd: "a few days ago"???? The *first* thing you do is update and try to rebuild on a project that is moving as fast as this one. I even say that on the MokoMakefile wiki page - did you even read what you need to do before reporting MokoMakefile problems? |
| 23:50.41 | rwhitby | Elrond: mickey fixed it in svn |
| 23:51.09 | cesarb | rwhitby: there is a limit... you can't update faster than you can compile |
| 23:51.15 | BlackBsd | yes try 3 times... i know when i say a few days i meant only 2 |
| 23:51.16 | rwhitby | BlackBsd: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile <- read the "Reporting Problems" section |
| 23:52.12 | rwhitby | you need to have that sequence (including the make update) fail three times in a row (not on separate days) before reporting. |
| 23:52.53 | BlackBsd | sorry.. |
| 23:54.13 | linux_galore | calamous_: I can understand why the left brained types like Apple, they just go to an Apple shop and buy apple bits an pieces and it all just works, no stuffing around (well accept for scanners), people are scared of their computers, its a terrible state of affairs |
| 23:55.11 | linux_galore | calamous_: Ive seen windows users buy a HP pc/laptop and then buy HP printers and scanners because they are scarred anything else may not work |
| 23:55.26 | calamous_ | linux_galore: thats so unfortunate. |
| 23:55.45 | calamous_ | linux_galore: that makes we sad |
| 23:56.10 | linux_galore | also if you ring up HP for support what are HP going to say, sorry HP dont support HP printers on HP laptops |
| 23:57.40 | SpeedEvil | linux_galore: yes. |
| 23:57.43 | linux_galore | good example is yesterday and old couple with dial up that live local have problems, i said just change to a slower speed and it should become more stable, they were terrified that if they did that it would totally stop working |
| 23:58.05 | SpeedEvil | It's so damn fragile. |
| 23:58.31 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: yeah, someone told me that once when they rang up HOP and they said the printer isnt supported on their own hardware lol |
| 23:58.37 | linux_galore | HP* |
| 23:58.40 | calamous_ | linux_galore: yeah, its crazy. How do people not think logically or critically? |
| 23:59.03 | SpeedEvil | Because thinking logically or critically doesn't help unless you have complete knowledge of the windows system. |
| 23:59.03 | calamous_ | Anyone how knows how "to think" would relize its not that way |
| 23:59.13 | SpeedEvil | In many cases at least. |
| 23:59.39 | SpeedEvil | For the average user - they do not have a functional internal model of the state of the system. |
| 23:59.40 | linux_galore | and we have Microsoft siting there saying this shitty state of affairs is fine |