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| 00:08.23 | borg_ | mmh |
| 00:08.31 | borg_ | i could write an udev rule for the neo |
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| 00:26.06 | Marex | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko ok, I updated the marvell and sychip sections from my (palmld developer working on 88w8305) view ;) |
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| 00:30.46 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:31.07 | SpeedEvil | Is the usb device actually switchable at this time? |
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| 00:36.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko]] [[Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[How_to_run_OpenMoko_Apps_on_PC/ru]] |
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| 00:38.40 | Marex | SpeedEvil, switchable? how do you mean? |
| 00:38.50 | SpeedEvil | host/device |
| 00:39.32 | Marex | its an usb gadget |
| 00:39.32 | Marex | or you mean if it can work in AP mode? |
| 00:39.32 | SpeedEvil | It can be either a host or a device. |
| 00:39.41 | Marex | nah, its only device |
| 00:39.44 | Marex | afaik |
| 00:39.44 | SpeedEvil | I'm wondering if the in-kernel switching code has been written, as I can't see it. |
| 00:39.47 | SpeedEvil | No, it's not. |
| 00:39.56 | SpeedEvil | There is one device, and one host/device. |
| 00:40.08 | SpeedEvil | err |
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| 00:40.37 | Marex | the thing I have here behaves only as a gadget and I believe it works only that way |
| 00:40.59 | SpeedEvil | There _is_ a host/device port on the chip. |
| 00:40.59 | Marex | (OLPC 8388 dongle) |
| 00:41.21 | Fatal | damnit, I really hate CC:s sometimes |
| 00:41.31 | Marex | SpeedEvil, so its probably n/a on my dongle |
| 00:41.36 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 00:41.44 | Marex | SpeedEvil, Im sure marvell will just give you more details on this |
| 00:41.53 | SpeedEvil | Why would I care about marvel? |
| 00:42.01 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - not following. |
| 00:42.12 | Marex | because marvell does those 88W8388 USB chips ;) |
| 00:42.21 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I wasn't talking about that. |
| 00:42.27 | Marex | ah ... I see |
| 00:42.30 | Marex | np ;-) |
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| 01:00.18 | SpeedEvil | There _is_ a host/device, and one device port on the SoC. |
| 01:00.21 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 01:00.27 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Eating peanut butter with jelly? |
| 01:00.32 | SpeedEvil | The USB bluetooth device is a device. |
| 01:00.35 | abraxa_ | Yeah, nasty indeed. |
| 01:00.40 | SpeedEvil | Therefore it must be connected to a host. |
| 01:00.50 | SpeedEvil | therefore the host/device port must be connected to that. |
| 01:01.00 | SpeedEvil | Leaving only the device port on the external connector. |
| 01:01.09 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: wasn't it the opposite? |
| 01:01.23 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 01:01.27 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: i.e. the bluetooth dongle connected to the device only port, and the host/device is the external one? |
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| 01:01.41 | cesarb | (which is how you can do a "host mode" trick with a magic cable...) |
| 01:01.43 | SpeedEvil | It's a device-only - as seen from inside the chip. |
| 01:01.53 | SpeedEvil | it has one host-controller. |
| 01:02.14 | SpeedEvil | it has one host-controller/device controller, and one device controller. |
| 01:02.29 | cesarb | I see, I mixed the sides |
| 01:02.41 | SpeedEvil | I _really_ hope I'm wrong. |
| 01:02.55 | anrp | ;/ |
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| 01:03.38 | anrp | but no idea if the hw devs will say |
| 01:03.47 | ZerothCloned | hey all |
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| 01:05.18 | ZerothCloned | so, whats new and sundy today? |
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| 01:06.00 | SpeedEvil | oops. |
| 01:06.06 | SpeedEvil | ignore me. |
| 01:06.28 | SpeedEvil | 'supports 2 port usb host interface' |
| 01:06.35 | SpeedEvil | p32 |
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| 01:07.45 | anrp | but wiring a single port for both device and host is a bit iffy |
| 01:08.01 | anrp | not impossible... iffy |
| 01:10.25 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 01:10.36 | SpeedEvil | To clarify on datasheet reading: |
| 01:10.46 | SpeedEvil | It has one two port host controller, and a device controller. |
| 01:11.16 | SpeedEvil | One of the usb ports can be switched between the host controller and the device controller. |
| 01:11.57 | SpeedEvil | So it'll be the host-only connector connected to the bluetooth module, and the host/device one exposed. |
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| 01:14.17 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: yes, that's how I understand it (I had host/device swapped when I said it above) |
| 01:14.24 | khaije1 | is it a sensible hw request to have two usb ports on a future neo? |
| 01:14.31 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 01:14.46 | SpeedEvil | Because that would mean you'd need another USB port on the SoC |
| 01:15.00 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: or a usb hub chip |
| 01:15.08 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: like the 4-port one on the debugboardv2 |
| 01:15.20 | SpeedEvil | There are two usb host ports on the current one - one has the bluetooth plugged in. |
| 01:15.29 | khaije1 | it would open some interesting possibilities |
| 01:15.29 | SpeedEvil | I'm considering something similar to that cesarb. |
| 01:15.43 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the problem would be the power |
| 01:15.45 | SpeedEvil | Basically a plug-in shim into the bluetooth port. |
| 01:16.08 | SpeedEvil | With a tab folding into the battery bay to take power from there. |
| 01:16.12 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: not the power for the USB data path, but the power for the USB power part |
| 01:16.19 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
| 01:16.43 | SpeedEvil | I have the parts, I'm running low on funding at the moment, so I'm stalled on some things. |
| 01:17.34 | SpeedEvil | two serials to the GPS |
| 01:17.37 | cesarb | Someone *has* to make a diagram of it :P |
| 01:17.43 | SpeedEvil | one configured as the others serials RTS/CTS |
| 01:17.50 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: two serials? that's where the serial I'm missing went? |
| 01:18.13 | SpeedEvil | There are three serial ports - but if you want the third, you need to lose the seconds rts/cts |
| 01:18.20 | SpeedEvil | which are used by the GPS |
| 01:18.23 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: hm |
| 01:18.44 | cesarb | (and there's also the SPI/I2C/etc... we really need a block diagram) |
| 01:18.58 | SpeedEvil | And a block diagram of the WM chip |
| 01:19.07 | SpeedEvil | and a block diagram of the pcf* chip |
| 01:19.23 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: and a block diagram of the power buses |
| 01:20.45 | anrp | D:? |
| 01:23.01 | anrp | what registers control between PD[NP]0/D[NP]1 selection? |
| 01:23.12 | anrp | i don't see it on a casual search of the datasheet |
| 01:23.13 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 01:23.21 | SpeedEvil | You mean the USB? |
| 01:23.23 | anrp | dev vs host |
| 01:23.23 | anrp | ya |
| 01:23.37 | SpeedEvil | MISCCR |
| 01:23.53 | SpeedEvil | MISCCR[3] USBPAD |
| 01:24.22 | anrp | oh |
| 01:24.24 | SpeedEvil | s3c2410-usb-switch.patch has some details in it. |
| 01:24.27 | anrp | >_> why didn't i find that |
| 01:24.33 | SpeedEvil | But I don't understand how it can be called. |
| 01:27.07 | anrp | looks like it might live in sysfs |
| 01:27.15 | SpeedEvil | yes - but where! :) |
| 01:27.27 | anrp | that is an excellent question ~_~ |
| 01:28.01 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: retval = device_create_file(&dev->dev, &dev_attr_usb_mode); |
| 01:28.13 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it's the directory corresponding to wharever "dev" is there |
| 01:30.03 | cesarb | The filename is linux-2.6.20.4/drivers/usb/host/ohci-s3c2410.c, so I'd guess you can look at /sys/class/usb_host and find the directory there (follow the "device" symlink) |
| 01:30.08 | anrp | well i'd tell you except my neo battery is dead |
| 01:30.17 | anrp | so its broke for now |
| 01:30.23 | SpeedEvil | Oddly - mine is crashed. |
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| 01:30.45 | anrp | too lazy to hook it up to a lab ps to charge it a bit |
| 01:30.58 | anrp | although i need to make a test jig out of plastic anyway |
| 01:31.12 | SpeedEvil | rebooting now. |
| 01:31.35 | SpeedEvil | Do you have copper tape? |
| 01:31.49 | anrp | i have a large number of things made of copper |
| 01:31.51 | SpeedEvil | Take copper tape, cut two strips. |
| 01:32.02 | SpeedEvil | put back onto a strip of backing of the tape. |
| 01:32.03 | anrp | i have a 12" x 4" x 0.5" bar of copper, will that help? *cough* |
| 01:32.30 | SpeedEvil | now, you can simply insert this between the battery and battery holder. |
| 01:32.48 | SpeedEvil | Solder a couple of wires onto the tape, and put a wrap of duct-tape around it to secure it. |
| 01:33.11 | anrp | duck tape! |
| 01:33.30 | anrp | how is your neo crashed? |
| 01:33.44 | cesarb | Hey, wait a little bit... |
| 01:33.49 | cesarb | The patch is there, but not applied! |
| 01:33.56 | cesarb | It's not in the "series" file"! |
| 01:33.58 | anrp | that would explain a little D: |
| 01:34.43 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right, I was assuming everyting in the checkout was present. |
| 01:35.18 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: no, quilt only applies what is on the series file |
| 01:35.28 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the same way one of the mokomakefile patches is ignores |
| 01:35.33 | cesarb | s/ignores/ignored/ |
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| 01:39.31 | cesarb | $ svn log s3c2410-usb-switch.patch |
| 01:39.37 | cesarb | r1665 | laforge | 2007-04-05 18:36:44 -0300 (Qui, 05 Abr 2007) | 2 lines |
| 01:39.41 | cesarb | add (inactive) patch for usb host/device switching |
| 01:39.56 | cesarb | Which means the didn't add it to the "series" file on purpose... |
| 01:40.12 | SpeedEvil | Wonder why. |
| 01:40.50 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: probably because of the "FIXME" it has |
| 01:40.56 | cesarb | FIXME: |
| 01:41.01 | cesarb | - call machine-specific disable-pullup function i |
| 01:41.08 | cesarb | - enable +Vbus (if hardware supports it) |
| 01:41.10 | SpeedEvil | Oh - riht |
| 01:41.14 | SpeedEvil | I just saw the second |
| 01:42.16 | SpeedEvil | GPB9OGPB9USB_PULLUPUSB pullup to signal the host that we're ready? |
| 01:42.31 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: beat by a second ;-) |
| 01:43.03 | SpeedEvil | The other fixme is harder :) |
| 01:43.39 | SpeedEvil | that makes sense - along witht he context. |
| 01:43.53 | SpeedEvil | it's swapping to host mode, so we don't want to signal the host we are ready. |
| 01:44.18 | cesarb | Hm, about the diagram... I recall using xcircuit in the past... Which can be found in ubuntu dapper, edgy, and gutsy, but NOT on feisty! |
| 01:44.31 | SpeedEvil | xpaint! |
| 01:44.35 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:44.45 | SpeedEvil | xpaint on the neo is not pretty. |
| 01:44.54 | SpeedEvil | _wobbly_ lines. |
| 01:45.09 | SpeedEvil | I do hope that the TS can be improved - it seems to dither over about 25 pixels. |
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| 01:46.17 | crayon-dev | can anybody here help me with using the sjf2410-linux jtag tool? |
| 01:46.17 | aloril | Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (gives this link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ ) |
| 01:46.25 | SpeedEvil | (that's a circle 4 pix or so in diameter) |
| 01:47.19 | cesarb | hm, aloril's auto-faq script seems to be broken |
| 01:47.28 | aloril | SpeedEvil: is that without screen protector that is in place when Neo1973 ships? |
| 01:47.46 | aloril | cesarb: it had 'help' string in question ;-) |
| 01:48.04 | SpeedEvil | No - I was leaving it on till I get a proper screen protector |
| 01:48.14 | SpeedEvil | Does it make a difference? |
| 01:49.57 | crayon-dev | anyone? |
| 01:50.20 | SpeedEvil | More people are active a bit earlier. |
| 01:51.08 | xzcvczx | hmmm buildhost and .com are still down it seems |
| 01:51.42 | aloril | SpeedEvil: dunno, I have left it in place too ;-) |
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| 01:52.31 | aloril | maybe I'll try peak test with stylus once Neo1973 boots |
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| 01:53.18 | aloril | with USB charger it seems to do this: charge enough -> boot into X11 -> user extra power for some minutes -> cut power -> repeat |
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| 01:54.55 | SpeedEvil | aloril: when booting |
| 01:55.04 | SpeedEvil | connect to /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 01:55.12 | SpeedEvil | and say neo1973 autofast |
| 01:55.27 | SpeedEvil | you may need cdc_acm as a module in your hosts kernel |
| 01:55.40 | aloril | SpeedEvil: ah, but this problem is with *dumb* USB charger ;-) |
| 01:56.20 | aloril | with actual USB it will automatically enter fast charge (now waiting it to charge enough to boot) |
| 01:56.44 | Vegar | don't you have to charge for 30 minutes before it goes into fast charge with a dumb charger? |
| 01:56.44 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure - from the docs - autofast mode should charge on a dumb charger. |
| 01:56.59 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: that was my suggestion - and it was 30s |
| 01:57.04 | Vegar | ah |
| 01:57.04 | SpeedEvil | It's not implemented |
| 01:57.08 | Vegar | ok |
| 01:57.14 | aloril | ah, it would store it and use it later? |
| 01:57.17 | SpeedEvil | however, it may be in precharge mode - even before autofast |
| 01:57.29 | Vegar | is power consumption > 100mA? |
| 01:57.30 | SpeedEvil | store it and use it later? |
| 01:57.33 | SpeedEvil | >> |
| 01:57.56 | SpeedEvil | Around a watt or more in normal mode. |
| 01:58.06 | SpeedEvil | Maybe 250mA or so idle not charging the battery. |
| 01:58.11 | SpeedEvil | from USB |
| 01:58.29 | crayon-dev | can anybody here help me with jtag in general? |
| 01:58.29 | Vegar | wow |
| 01:58.37 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: 1W seems... excessive |
| 01:58.37 | Vegar | that's.. |
| 01:58.39 | Vegar | a lot |
| 01:58.54 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader : gotta try that 'setenv menu_6 Autofast-Charge and Backlight Off: neo1973 charger autofast\; neo1973 backlight off' |
| 01:58.58 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 01:59.23 | Vegar | SpeedEvil: got your device yet? |
| 01:59.33 | cesarb | (ok, I'm saying this while using a computer where only the monitor already uses way more than that) |
| 01:59.49 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: I do. |
| 02:00.02 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: yes you do? ;-) |
| 02:00.16 | SpeedEvil | Worst case I've measured is around 1.2W |
| 02:00.22 | SpeedEvil | this is on a call. |
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| 02:00.55 | SpeedEvil | actually - it's be maybe 1.4W running md5sum |
| 02:00.59 | SpeedEvil | and on a call. |
| 02:01.08 | aloril | SpeedEvil: what about play ogg or other near 100% CPU usage + call ( + backlight) ? |
| 02:01.11 | SpeedEvil | You have to actively screw up the battery charging. |
| 02:01.38 | SpeedEvil | That's annoying - I forgot to measure the non-idle-cpu case. |
| 02:01.49 | Vegar | now imagine adding wifi to that, SpeedEvil |
| 02:01.56 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 02:02.01 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 02:02.03 | Psi_ | they might use a larger battery |
| 02:02.09 | aloril | and bluetooth with active transfer and gps |
| 02:02.10 | SpeedEvil | They are using a larger battery. |
| 02:02.11 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 02:02.21 | SpeedEvil | Much of the power saving is not implemented. |
| 02:02.28 | SpeedEvil | GPS isn't bad. |
| 02:02.35 | Vegar | can't wait for P2 |
| 02:03.05 | SpeedEvil | For example, it needs variable clock rate and voltage to the CPU. |
| 02:03.25 | SpeedEvil | And stuff like turning off the SPI controller and the SD card if it's not in use. |
| 02:03.33 | aloril | there is kind of way around missing power saving: use external power source (like MintyBoost), but this is of course clumsy |
| 02:04.14 | jaebird | what if the screen doubled as a solar panel :) |
| 02:04.28 | Psi_ | hehe i was thinking that not 10 seconds ago |
| 02:04.31 | jaebird | it could offset the power usage a little! |
| 02:04.36 | Kragnerac | Dual screen phone. :) |
| 02:04.37 | SpeedEvil | I seem to remember moving that to hardware:unlikely on eht wiki. |
| 02:04.39 | Psi_ | except i was thinking of the back of the neo being the panel :P |
| 02:04.46 | jimmygoon | How did you guys get into this stuff? Like how did you learn all about it. Because this is what I want to do but I don't know where to start. I'm only in HS but I learn quickly |
| 02:04.46 | aloril | jimmygoon: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 02:04.50 | jaebird | Psi_: lol great minds... |
| 02:05.12 | Psi_ | :) |
| 02:05.13 | Kragnerac | What about a phone that recharges with your kinetic energy and solar energy alike? :) |
| 02:05.16 | SpeedEvil | jimmygoon: Obtain books. |
| 02:05.19 | SpeedEvil | Read books. |
| 02:05.21 | SpeedEvil | Repeat. |
| 02:05.23 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:05.27 | jaebird | like those self winding watches |
| 02:05.33 | Psi_ | what about a small nuclear battery :) |
| 02:05.37 | ckuethe | mr fusion |
| 02:05.41 | Psi_ | heh |
| 02:05.46 | jaebird | or the alcohol fuel cell |
| 02:05.56 | Kragnerac | Or how about a winding charger built into the phone? |
| 02:05.57 | Vegar | Psi_: yeah, a cold fusion cell |
| 02:05.57 | SpeedEvil | Practically. |
| 02:05.58 | jaebird | what about that V8 engine? |
| 02:06.09 | aloril | hhmm.. direct sunlight and 50% efficiency would give more than 1W .. |
| 02:06.11 | SpeedEvil | We simply need to get the existing power saving technologies working. |
| 02:06.17 | Psi_ | jaebird, one from the chainsaw? |
| 02:06.29 | jimmygoon | speedevil, what type of books - like electrical engineering? computer engineering? |
| 02:06.29 | SpeedEvil | 30% cells are at the moment $1000/W or so. |
| 02:06.39 | SpeedEvil | jimmygoon: Hmm. |
| 02:06.40 | Psi_ | they just made some 40% cells in the lab |
| 02:06.45 | SpeedEvil | It's hard. |
| 02:07.02 | Psi_ | they look to be easy to mass produce as well |
| 02:07.05 | jaebird | there is some company in ieee mag that is developing some new cheap solar cell |
| 02:07.17 | anrp | there's always one |
| 02:07.22 | jaebird | saw it at work...don't remember the name |
| 02:07.24 | SpeedEvil | jimmygoon: We can all tell you how _we_ got here. |
| 02:07.25 | anrp | however until its for sale its not that helpful |
| 02:07.38 | anrp | just.. nice to know? |
| 02:07.52 | Psi_ | http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/31/2034239 |
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| 02:07.59 | aloril | now getting that power and still be screen.. very hard thing? |
| 02:08.05 | jaebird | anrp: not sure when commercialization begins... |
| 02:08.05 | jimmygoon | :) Maybe the neo will be my starting place. Read what others have done and learn along the way... |
| 02:08.31 | Kragnerac | Neo Multitouch :) |
| 02:08.40 | SpeedEvil | If I was recommending stuff for me at 13 say - (apart from start talking to girls like people), I'd probably recommend something like getting assorted electronics parts kits from ebay, and The Art of Electronics. |
| 02:08.48 | anrp | you could have the solar cell get power from the backlight |
| 02:08.51 | anrp | no need for battery then! |
| 02:09.28 | SpeedEvil | And for computing - ... |
| 02:09.37 | SpeedEvil | In some ways it's harder to learn now. |
| 02:10.09 | SpeedEvil | Most systems have millions of lines of source, and at least dozens of peripheral chips. |
| 02:10.09 | Vegar | just start off doing something you really want |
| 02:10.33 | anrp | easy to say |
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| 02:10.37 | anrp | what if you don't know what you want? |
| 02:10.50 | SpeedEvil | With something like a ZX81, you could actually make a reasonable stab at understanding all parts of the system, and having complete knowledge of it. |
| 02:10.56 | Vegar | anrp: then you must find out what you want |
| 02:11.15 | aloril | now it booted: battvolt: 3521 chgcur: 2773 chgmode: fast_cccv battemp: 2342 |
| 02:11.28 | anrp | 2342! |
| 02:11.35 | SpeedEvil | With current PCs, I would say there are probably a few hundred people in the world at that level of understanding. |
| 02:11.37 | anrp | call em up boys, we got ourselves a nukular furnace! |
| 02:11.41 | SpeedEvil | OMG - it's on fire! |
| 02:11.54 | mwester | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASIC_Stamp <-- good introduction for folks interested in the basics of embedded microcontrollers and such... |
| 02:12.03 | SpeedEvil | I suspect a few hundred may be too large. |
| 02:12.09 | SpeedEvil | basic stamp is a good plan. |
| 02:12.11 | aloril | now: battvolt: 3550 chgcur: 2133 chgmode: fast_cccv battemp: -10 |
| 02:12.16 | anrp | .. |
| 02:12.18 | anrp | still though.. basic.. |
| 02:12.47 | Aria | Heh, yeah. |
| 02:13.22 | mwester | C compilers also available for the processor used in the device, along with (gasp!) Java |
| 02:13.31 | mwester | and Assembly, of course. |
| 02:13.58 | Vegar | a bit off-topic: it's amazing how realistic this picture is: http://www.planetside.co.uk/gallery/v/tg09gallery/Ter148.jpg.html |
| 02:14.18 | anrp | lighting is too perfect |
| 02:14.39 | anrp | but.. yeah |
| 02:14.42 | anrp | other than that |
| 02:14.53 | Psi_ | hm.. neo is 3.7v at 1200mAh so thats 3.7*1.2 = 4.44W for one hour , or 3.2kW for 5 sec. Enough energy in the battery to start a car once if you extracted it over, say, 12hours :P |
| 02:15.11 | mwester | :-O |
| 02:15.19 | anrp | peukert's rule of thumb |
| 02:15.31 | SpeedEvil | The refraction is also screwed anrp. |
| 02:15.48 | SpeedEvil | The 'sea' has a similar refractive index to air. |
| 02:15.55 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: do you have any idea what the "H-TP1517" and similars are on gpio.txt? |
| 02:15.58 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: test pads? |
| 02:16.06 | anrp | the ghostly water D: |
| 02:16.08 | SpeedEvil | I assume so. |
| 02:16.11 | anrp | maybe it's magic.. or something |
| 02:16.11 | aloril | Vegar: water seems artificial |
| 02:16.18 | anrp | that would make it non real though |
| 02:16.27 | anrp | decisions, decisions |
| 02:17.03 | SpeedEvil | The lack of backlighting on the rocks looks very suspicious. |
| 02:18.49 | SpeedEvil | Also, the waters not wet. |
| 02:19.12 | anrp | some edges are too sharp, but otherwise good |
| 02:19.34 | jimmygoon | SpeedEvil, I stepped out for a second but I appreciate the info. I will start looking around a bit more intently. Unfortunately a car is a more looming purchase. Anyhow, I'm gonna get back to some C++ so bye |
| 02:20.23 | anrp | http://hof.povray.org/ChristmasBaubles.html < and that.. I would pass that as real without knowing the source |
| 02:20.32 | SpeedEvil | jimmygoon: Good luck! |
| 02:20.37 | anrp | well and assuming they would turn on antialiasing |
| 02:21.03 | SpeedEvil | glass stuff is so easy on raytracers though. |
| 02:21.11 | anrp | yeah, but it looks awesome |
| 02:21.24 | Vegar | http://www.planetside.co.uk/gallery/v/tg09gallery/CraterLake_aerial.jpg.html |
| 02:21.45 | anrp | raytracers make nice refractive index difference pictures |
| 02:22.42 | SpeedEvil | Thats _not_ doing refractive index though. |
| 02:22.59 | SpeedEvil | Look at the ridge-lines going into the water. |
| 02:23.03 | SpeedEvil | they go straight. |
| 02:23.12 | Vegar | yeah |
| 02:23.59 | anrp | http://hof.povray.org/c_a_large.html < that looks almost real, just doesn't look like anything that actually exists |
| 02:24.03 | aloril | for(i=0;i<1000*1000*1000;i++) {sum += i; } // 22.71s with -O2, about 20x slower than PC |
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| 02:24.30 | Vegar | hehe |
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| 02:29.58 | anrp | that kind of benchmark is something i'd be very careful about using |
| 02:30.12 | anrp | i'd only really use it for comparing between the same architectures... |
| 02:31.24 | xkr47 | aloril, nukkuun siitä ;) |
| 02:32.01 | aloril | xkr47: ah, sinä olet *vielä* hereillä? minä olen *jo* herännyt ;-) |
| 02:32.16 | xkr47 | väärin |
| 02:32.20 | xkr47 | kolmelta heräsin |
| 02:32.33 | xkr47 | åäöåäö |
| 02:32.38 | Vegar | æøå |
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| 02:32.50 | anrp | i can throw in some utf8 for good measure D: |
| 02:32.51 | aloril | anyway -> #openmoko-fi ;-) |
| 02:32.57 | anrp | ã‚ã |
| 02:33.00 | anrp | ;/ |
| 02:33.46 | aloril | anrp: true, but it does give some kind of indication, similar in python is 10x difference |
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| 02:34.55 | anrp | also you didn't define "PC". your PC? D: |
| 02:35.14 | aloril | anrp: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2700+ (and some random light load) |
| 02:35.29 | anrp | mm not the heaters of today |
| 02:35.56 | anrp | i have an intentionally downclocked P4 single-core, and man is it slow |
| 02:36.04 | aloril | anyway, still I would say its only maybe 10x slower which makes me happy |
| 02:36.08 | anrp | still sucks the power though |
| 02:36.51 | SpeedEvil | Err - NO. |
| 02:37.10 | SpeedEvil | That's practically the optimum case for the neo. |
| 02:37.17 | anrp | ? |
| 02:37.22 | SpeedEvil | It's all in the cache. |
| 02:37.27 | SpeedEvil | It's all integer. |
| 02:37.30 | anrp | i'd say its fair, it would live in cache on both |
| 02:37.54 | SpeedEvil | It's practically only going to be affected by clock rate, and number of parralellisable operations. |
| 02:38.16 | anrp | arm isn't that horrifically slow (... as long as you don't touch FP) |
| 02:38.19 | anrp | compared to other arches |
| 02:38.26 | anrp | per clock |
| 02:38.30 | SpeedEvil | Indeed - however, that's only fair if the usual problem will also sit in cache. |
| 02:38.32 | SpeedEvil | And it won't. |
| 02:38.36 | anrp | now it usually has fewer clocks as well ~_~ |
| 02:38.41 | crayon-dev | can anybody here help me with using the sjf2410-linux jtag tool, or maybe direct me to some good documentation? |
| 02:38.47 | anrp | doesn't it have a 16kb+16kb L1? |
| 02:38.54 | SpeedEvil | I thought it was 8+8 |
| 02:39.03 | anrp | most x86 has similiar (although they also have massive L2, arm doesn't have anything there) |
| 02:39.12 | anrp | mm it might be |
| 02:39.13 | SpeedEvil | no, it's 16+16 |
| 02:39.44 | anrp | however on slow-ish arms you can stream from normal memory at half/quarter the clock of the cpu |
| 02:39.53 | anrp | still setup though.. |
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| 02:45.08 | aloril | crayon-dev: its usually better to ask than to ask to ask |
| 02:45.43 | SpeedEvil | if nothing else - someone with a clue may read scrollback, and can messsage you if you've said what you need. |
| 02:45.50 | aloril | anyway, tried http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=jtag&fulltext=Search ? |
| 02:50.21 | SpeedEvil | A more meaningfull comparison is probably to compare the CPU usage of madplay... |
| 02:52.14 | anrp | mplayer -benchmark ! |
| 02:52.34 | aloril | umm... I want to compare int only, no floating point (yet ;-) |
| 02:52.59 | anrp | http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/zaurus/mplayer/ there's a statically linked mplayer I compiled way back for the c860 |
| 02:53.04 | anrp | should run fine on the neo |
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| 02:53.46 | anrp | mm 2005, maybe i should remake it.. that is *really* old |
| 02:54.28 | SpeedEvil | Would be nice. |
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| 02:58.10 | anrp | i haven't really used my zaurus to watch videos in a while, i guess |
| 02:58.26 | anrp | my idea of a usable interface is text-mode linux with mplayer... but that's only because the Z has a keyboard |
| 02:58.55 | aloril | grep qwert random.1MB file on PC 1000 times, grep it on Neo1973 *100* times: 1m 32.70s or about 200x slower |
| 02:58.59 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 02:59.11 | SpeedEvil | I should really think before starting typing., |
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| 02:59.29 | anrp | thats probably a bit unfair again D: fast memory to the pc's rescue there |
| 02:59.42 | SpeedEvil | I just kicked off my GPRS connection, and started getting mplayer over that... |
| 03:01.19 | SpeedEvil | That's quite decent. |
| 03:01.23 | SpeedEvil | ETA 19 minutes. |
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| 03:02.04 | anrp | it is pretty large for a program |
| 03:02.07 | anrp | but it's also mplayer, so... |
| 03:02.28 | BryceLeo|brb | 4519 packages and counting.... man OE is full of stuff |
| 03:02.35 | BryceLeo|brb | alot of it doesn't compile... but still |
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| 03:02.57 | anrp | "lots of things don't actually work... but look! we have numbers! NUMBERS, YOU HEAR?!!" |
| 03:03.19 | anrp | is mplayer in there? |
| 03:03.32 | SpeedEvil | Is gcc? |
| 03:03.57 | anrp | gcc? |
| 03:04.04 | anrp | of all the apps that don't belong on a phone ~_~ |
| 03:04.13 | SpeedEvil | Well. |
| 03:04.15 | SpeedEvil | Why not? |
| 03:04.20 | SpeedEvil | For _small_ stuff. |
| 03:04.33 | SpeedEvil | Like ten line programs to twiddle hardware bits. |
| 03:05.06 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: ...gcc is too huge... |
| 03:05.16 | SpeedEvil | In what way? |
| 03:05.38 | aloril | cesarb: 2GB is too small for gcc? |
| 03:05.44 | anrp | you have a large sd card |
| 03:05.47 | anrp | it ships with .5GB D: |
| 03:05.54 | aloril | so ;-) |
| 03:06.03 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: just cc1 is already more than 5M |
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| 03:07.26 | SpeedEvil | I currently compile stuff on my 128M/PII300 laptop |
| 03:07.33 | anrp | ... ouch >_> |
| 03:07.50 | anrp | that's almost neo level ~_~ |
| 03:07.59 | SpeedEvil | It's been modded. |
| 03:08.06 | SpeedEvil | it still weighs 1.1Kg. |
| 03:08.15 | SpeedEvil | But it now has a 6 hour battery life. |
| 03:08.21 | anrp | D: |
| 03:08.24 | anrp | that's pretty nice |
| 03:08.26 | SpeedEvil | And I put an internal hub and USB soundcard in place of the old modem. |
| 03:08.33 | SpeedEvil | and wifi card |
| 03:08.54 | SpeedEvil | I tend to read books on it. |
| 03:09.07 | SpeedEvil | As it's not much heavier, and there is none of the 'hold page open' stress. |
| 03:09.12 | anrp | mmh |
| 03:09.18 | anrp | i haven't read an actual book in .. a while |
| 03:09.21 | SpeedEvil | And you can'y automatically back-reference on books. |
| 03:09.32 | anrp | or written by hand.. |
| 03:09.40 | anrp | man, my handwriting is terrible |
| 03:09.48 | anrp | so is my signature |
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| 03:09.58 | SpeedEvil | That's encryption. |
| 03:10.02 | anrp | compounded by the fact that my signed name is supposed to be 18 letters.. i give up about halfway through |
| 03:10.05 | SpeedEvil | Or security by obscurity at least. |
| 03:10.06 | anrp | and just squiggle ~_~ |
| 03:10.27 | anrp | a swirly thing |
| 03:10.54 | aloril | 5.603s vs 38.99s or 7x slower for(j = 0; j < 1000; j++) {for(i = 0; i < 1000000; i++) {arr[i] = i;}} |
| 03:12.26 | anrp | qemu-arm ./mplayer-opt-fm -ao null -vo null RL_MQB_320x240_512_128.avi -benchmark -ac null |
| 03:12.29 | anrp | BENCHMARKs: VC: 32.087s VO: 0.064s A: 0.000s Sys: 2.092s = 34.243s |
| 03:12.32 | anrp | mplayer -ao null -vo null RL_MQB_320x240_512_128.avi -benchmark -ac null |
| 03:12.34 | anrp | BENCHMARK%: VC: 93.7026% VO: 0.1867% A: 0.0000% Sys: 6.1107% = 100.0000% |
| 03:12.35 | anrp | BENCHMARKs: VC: 3.572s VO: 0.010s A: 0.000s Sys: 0.653s = 4.235s |
| 03:12.35 | anrp | BENCHMARK%: VC: 84.3414% VO: 0.2469% A: 0.0000% Sys: 15.4117% = 100.0000% |
| 03:12.37 | anrp | vs! |
| 03:12.51 | anrp | that is a completely pointless benchmark, since i'm just testing qemu |
| 03:14.03 | anrp | it is peripherally interesting though |
| 03:14.09 | anrp | in some vague sense |
| 03:14.17 | anrp | somehow... |
| 03:14.19 | anrp | ... not really |
| 03:14.45 | SpeedEvil | I'm downloading mplayer - not the source - this time :) |
| 03:15.02 | SpeedEvil | I've got some test files in various codecs. |
| 03:15.08 | SpeedEvil | and various resolutions. |
| 03:15.15 | anrp | since its old i don't know how much recent stuff it'll support |
| 03:15.21 | anrp | namely, h.264 is right out |
| 03:15.24 | SpeedEvil | mpeg1 isn't recent. |
| 03:15.30 | anrp | oh .. heh |
| 03:15.48 | SpeedEvil | Do you think it'll do 8*6 h.264? :) |
| 03:16.13 | anrp | i don't think h264 in ffmpeg existed back in '05, sadly ;/ |
| 03:16.30 | aloril | 7.243s vs 68.64s or 9x slower: use above innermost loop for initialization and then same code, except innermost loop: arr[i] += arr[i+1]; |
| 03:16.47 | anrp | memory access penalty |
| 03:17.02 | anrp | you're probably making branch prediction fail every time with something like that |
| 03:17.30 | SpeedEvil | stuff like 50/70/140 kbit mpeg1 or mpeg4 codec |
| 03:17.34 | BryceLeo|brb | oh and it does look like we have gcc.... |
| 03:17.52 | SpeedEvil | binutils? |
| 03:18.14 | aloril | well.. plain loop: about 10x, plain memory access: 10x, but grep 100x slower (roughly) |
| 03:18.28 | BryceLeo | yup bintuils looks go |
| 03:18.48 | aloril | BryceLeo: cool! |
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| 03:19.18 | SpeedEvil | It's a race! First native mokomakefile build :) |
| 03:19.24 | BryceLeo | lol it's been building for a day and a half and yet it's only 396mb |
| 03:19.40 | BryceLeo | LMAO |
| 03:19.43 | BryceLeo | that would be awesome |
| 03:20.04 | aloril | battvolt: 3837 chgcur: 2160 chgmode: fast_cccv battemp: 15 |
| 03:20.23 | anrp | that batttemp value seems bogus. is something up with the hw? |
| 03:20.45 | SpeedEvil | I think the calibration curve is off. |
| 03:20.56 | SpeedEvil | Most reports have the temp as 10c or so under what it should be. |
| 03:21.14 | SpeedEvil | I intend to check the calibration of the neo measuring circuit manually - with several resistors |
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| 03:27.03 | SpeedEvil | err - what's the vo device it's using. |
| 03:27.14 | anrp | by default..? |
| 03:27.15 | SpeedEvil | It displayed overlayed and quite messed up. |
| 03:27.27 | anrp | it doesn't have X, so it's probably framebuffer |
| 03:28.11 | anrp | mm might be sdl |
| 03:28.18 | anrp | using fb |
| 03:28.56 | SpeedEvil | 100kbps video 160*120 25fps pretty much works |
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| 03:29.29 | anrp | does the default neo kernel use EABI? |
| 03:29.56 | anrp | well, neo system as well |
| 03:30.19 | SpeedEvil | mpeg2 is maybe a _little_ better - 5% or so slow |
| 03:31.13 | SpeedEvil | Oooh. |
| 03:31.24 | SpeedEvil | mplayer uses _10%_ CPU for mp3s |
| 03:31.46 | rwhitby | anrp: # CONFIG_AEABI is not set |
| 03:31.47 | anrp | probably using libmad (should output it) |
| 03:31.50 | anrp | agh ok ~_~ |
| 03:32.09 | SpeedEvil | comparing madplay on same file |
| 03:32.19 | SpeedEvil | and it's about 17% |
| 03:32.35 | anrp | huh? |
| 03:32.37 | anrp | now that's weird |
| 03:32.47 | SpeedEvil | but good wierd. |
| 03:32.50 | anrp | indeed |
| 03:33.02 | anrp | i did some funny tricks to the gcc used to compile that |
| 03:33.11 | anrp | to enfore soft-float VFP (gcc doesn't do that usually) |
| 03:33.21 | anrp | that might have helped.. although mad isn't FP anyway ? |
| 03:33.38 | cesarb | anrp: you could try compiling the whole distro with EABI |
| 03:33.39 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 03:33.46 | SpeedEvil | Turning it all up gets quite loud. |
| 03:33.51 | cesarb | anrp: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/Compiling_for_EABI |
| 03:33.51 | SpeedEvil | surprisingly so. |
| 03:34.04 | anrp | well it was built from uclibc |
| 03:34.10 | anrp | i like their buildroot a lot.. |
| 03:34.11 | aloril | isn't ogg about similar speed than mp3 with integer codec? (assuming ogg123 is some kind of fp) |
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| 03:35.09 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 03:35.11 | anrp | if the ogg decoder uses tremor |
| 03:35.15 | anrp | == integer |
| 03:35.16 | SpeedEvil | I have video playing with 40% CPU |
| 03:35.18 | anrp | libmad is also integer |
| 03:35.25 | SpeedEvil | And an actual picture. |
| 03:35.30 | mrface | SpeedEvil: mplayer? |
| 03:35.31 | anrp | SpeedEvil: -benchmark will tell you how much time is taken in the VO and how much in the VC |
| 03:35.33 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
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| 03:35.42 | mrface | cool |
| 03:35.50 | SpeedEvil | -vo fbdev2 and then -vo fbdev seemed to get it working. |
| 03:35.52 | SpeedEvil | Downside. |
| 03:36.03 | SpeedEvil | 160*120 non-stretched picture. |
| 03:36.05 | anrp | ;/ it was originally for a zaurus |
| 03:36.26 | mrface | so, it needs a little work |
| 03:36.42 | mrface | or more likely, a lot of work |
| 03:36.47 | SpeedEvil | actually. |
| 03:36.48 | anrp | that's more of a hw limit |
| 03:36.52 | SpeedEvil | that was 300kbit |
| 03:36.59 | anrp | there isn't any YUV accel for instance |
| 03:37.09 | anrp | although apparantly the LCM can take a 320x240 input signal |
| 03:38.47 | anrp | that might (really big maybe there) be triggerable from that mplayer with its fbdev driver |
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| 03:39.02 | anrp | if the kernel your neo has has the 320x240 mode switching code |
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| 03:39.24 | SpeedEvil | don't thinks so |
| 03:42.55 | SpeedEvil | :):):):) |
| 03:42.59 | SpeedEvil | Random video |
| 03:43.00 | SpeedEvil | VIDEO: MPEG1 352x240 (aspect 1) 24.000 fps 1536.0 kbps (192.0 kbyte/s) |
| 03:43.10 | SpeedEvil | works just fine. |
| 03:43.15 | borg_ | wow |
| 03:44.29 | anrp | that's pretty good |
| 03:44.36 | SpeedEvil | that's with 32kbit mp3 |
| 03:44.42 | anrp | ill see about compiling an up to date one with gcc4.2.1 |
| 03:44.44 | SpeedEvil | I only did a short test |
| 03:44.57 | SpeedEvil | doing a longer one now. |
| 03:45.25 | BryceLeo | i so called it |
| 03:45.33 | SpeedEvil | However. This is completely adequate performance, without even special recoding. At least for non-rotated. |
| 03:45.53 | SpeedEvil | Me too. |
| 03:45.55 | BryceLeo | i sooo called it |
| 03:46.11 | SpeedEvil | I've been saying it should work just fine for some time now. |
| 03:46.25 | BryceLeo | there was that whole thing on themailing list way back when.... lol speed you musta been the only guy who agreed with me |
| 03:46.44 | SpeedEvil | People forget how fast slow computers are. |
| 03:47.48 | BryceLeo | SpeedEvil: exactly i remember playing mpeg1 video on my pentium 133 |
| 03:49.56 | BryceLeo | and codecs and optomization have come a long way since then |
| 03:50.04 | SpeedEvil | It's borderline enough that running top kicks it over the edge into losing time. |
| 03:50.44 | aloril | SpeedEvil: yup as I said it seems only 10x slower which is pretty fast ;-) |
| 03:51.34 | BryceLeo | lol |
| 03:52.10 | BryceLeo | aloril i remember the cutting edege of 8 bit gaming! |
| 03:52.16 | BryceLeo | well... 8 color that is |
| 03:52.52 | BryceLeo | well... i don't quite remember it, my first real gaming experience was 16 color, Round42.... now that's an awesome game |
| 03:52.54 | SpeedEvil | Ok - 4 min vid - no problems. |
| 03:52.58 | aloril | as I said in past, it should be able to easily handle 100 text terminals |
| 03:53.14 | aloril | ie.. what required mainframes back then |
| 03:55.09 | BryceLeo | aloril that sounds like a fair number |
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| 03:56.06 | BryceLeo | why the heck would you want Dia on an embedded device...? |
| 03:56.29 | SpeedEvil | Dia? |
| 03:58.26 | leppoc | LOL (I can't see the begining of the discussion, but) as BryceLeo say: Dia on an embedded device ????? |
| 03:58.42 | leppoc | I want Eclipse ! |
| 03:59.04 | BryceLeo | SpeedEvil: yes Dia... a diagraming/flowcharting program |
| 03:59.08 | leppoc | well, I think it's a nice program to make drawings, like a map |
| 03:59.15 | BryceLeo | lol leppoc why?? when cross compiling is sooo simple |
| 03:59.31 | BryceLeo | leppoc: but but... why don't people just make xournal compile (i love that app) |
| 03:59.42 | leppoc | xournal ? |
| 03:59.49 | leppoc | let me see what that is... |
| 03:59.58 | leppoc | oh ! |
| 04:00.06 | BryceLeo | xournal is sweet |
| 04:00.12 | BryceLeo | if you've got a tablet it's pretty nice |
| 04:00.23 | leppoc | I knew Jarnal before :) |
| 04:00.46 | leppoc | I like the (only one) screenshot :) |
| 04:01.01 | SpeedEvil | anrp: ok to mention that URL on the community list? |
| 04:02.02 | xzcvczx | anyone know how to rerun the calibration program? |
| 04:03.22 | anrp | erm |
| 04:03.27 | anrp | one second |
| 04:03.50 | SpeedEvil | Ok - I'll leave it out |
| 04:04.02 | anrp | nah its ok |
| 04:04.06 | anrp | just wanted to check it |
| 04:04.11 | anrp | like i said, its been forever.. |
| 04:04.13 | anrp | fine to post it |
| 04:04.35 | anrp | i'm rebuilding with softvfp gcc 4.2.1 but it'll probably be tomorrow before its done |
| 04:05.07 | borg_ | xzcvczx: i think its /etc/X11/Xsession.d/30xTs_Calibrate |
| 04:05.23 | borg_ | but i am not completly sure |
| 04:05.34 | borg_ | do you have ssh access? |
| 04:05.40 | xzcvczx | borg_: yup |
| 04:05.46 | borg_ | try "export DISPLAY=:1" |
| 04:05.54 | borg_ | "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/30xTs_Calibrate" |
| 04:06.02 | anrp | :1 ? |
| 04:06.06 | borg_ | UPS |
| 04:06.08 | borg_ | :0 :) |
| 04:06.25 | borg_ | on my pc it is :1 |
| 04:06.31 | borg_ | getting confused all the time |
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| 04:07.54 | aloril | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:08.29 | anrp | you are getting loaded.. D: |
| 04:08.29 | aloril | a bit sluggish, but editing, etc.. works ok |
| 04:09.26 | aloril | started some 70 shells with: "while true; do echo $1; sleep 1; done" |
| 04:09.46 | xzcvczx | anrp: nope not that |
| 04:09.49 | anrp | forkbomb D: |
| 04:09.52 | aloril | Neo1973 of course ;-) |
| 04:10.18 | anrp | wow, one of my disks just resonated loudly |
| 04:10.23 | aloril | just wondering about those 100 terminals, I think doing stuff as was done at past should work on Neo1973 |
| 04:10.57 | xzcvczx | anrp: but thanks i now know how to do it |
| 04:11.11 | anrp | ..? |
| 04:11.17 | anrp | i lost track of that conversation |
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| 04:11.37 | xzcvczx | anrp: just have to delete /etc/pointercal |
| 04:11.53 | anrp | you sure you're talking to me? ~_~ |
| 04:12.00 | anrp | i think you mean borg_ |
| 04:12.00 | xzcvczx | sorry lol |
| 04:12.03 | xzcvczx | yeah |
| 04:12.07 | xzcvczx | its too early in the morning |
| 04:12.15 | anrp | early? it's late! |
| 04:12.25 | xzcvczx | anrp: not when you are from nz |
| 04:12.31 | xzcvczx | well actually your right it is its 4pm |
| 04:12.33 | xzcvczx | but meh |
| 04:12.37 | anrp | ... |
| 04:14.20 | ajmitch | 'early morning' indeed |
| 04:14.27 | ajmitch | it's almost time to finish work |
| 04:17.28 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 04:17.45 | rwhitby | morning, late? it's lunchtime here. |
| 04:17.56 | anrp | and midnight here... |
| 04:18.28 | rwhitby | hence ugt |
| 04:21.54 | anrp | ei SpeedEvil, have you tried the benchmark option? |
| 04:22.09 | anrp | best to turn off sound, causes the video to run as fast as possible (-ao null) |
| 04:22.15 | anrp | and -ac null |
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| 04:25.52 | xzcvczx | can someone just paste their /etc/pointercal in here i just want to make sure that mine is done reasonably correctly |
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| 04:26.56 | SpeedEvil | 88 36482 -2769104 -48193 -245 45423752 65536 |
| 04:27.07 | SpeedEvil | gonna be highly device specific |
| 04:27.21 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: yup i know that |
| 04:27.28 | anrp | does the default build use NPTL? |
| 04:28.10 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: just that my stylus gets incredibly unaccurate getting towards the edge of the screen like stays a good quater down the screen |
| 04:28.37 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: i am going to try flashing an old firmware on see how that works |
| 04:29.04 | anrp | xzcvczx: is there crap (dust etc) between the screen bezel and screen? |
| 04:29.55 | xzcvczx | anrp: no just cleared that out as before an hour ago i think i had that and ts wasnt working at all at i always got output from cat touchscreen now i get nothing from cat touchscreen unless i am touching the screen |
| 04:30.58 | aloril | mplayer-opt-fm plays ogg file at about 11% CPU usage |
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| 04:31.27 | SpeedEvil | Nother video benchmark - 624 x 352 mpeg1 - about 7fps. |
| 04:31.40 | SpeedEvil | General impressions. |
| 04:31.53 | SpeedEvil | VCD stuff works if it's 25fps, not generally if it's 30. |
| 04:32.03 | aloril | that video benchmaark: - MPlayer crashed by an 'Illegal Instruction'. It usually happens when you run it on a CPU different than the one it was compiled/optimized for. |
| 04:32.14 | aloril | with RL_MQB_320x240_512_128.avi |
| 04:32.17 | SpeedEvil | If it's low-bitrate - say 90-100K/s, not 150, then 30fps works |
| 04:32.41 | SpeedEvil | Unless it's got 220K audio or something similar |
| 04:32.52 | SpeedEvil | that's 90-100kbytes/s video |
| 04:34.02 | aloril | anyway, so ogg is ok like mp3: both around 10% I think? |
| 04:34.07 | SpeedEvil | Yep. |
| 04:34.31 | anrp | aloril: try turning off vo and ao? |
| 04:34.36 | anrp | -vo null -ao null |
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| 04:34.45 | anrp | if -vc null fixes it then there's something pxa255 specific in there |
| 04:34.48 | anrp | i have a good idea what |
| 04:34.58 | aloril | ./mplayer-opt-fm -ao null -vo null RL_MQB_320x240_512_128.avi -benchmark -ac null |
| 04:35.31 | anrp | ;/ guess only libmpeg2 based codecs are working on the neo then |
| 04:35.31 | anrp | SpeedEvil: does it say libmpeg2 for mpeg1/mpeg2 decoder? |
| 04:35.45 | SpeedEvil | Opening video decoder: [libmpeg2] MPEG 1/2 Video decoder libmpeg2-v0.4.0b |
| 04:36.53 | anrp | yeah, makes sense |
| 04:37.06 | anrp | that particular binary is using stuff from intel's IPP for pxa25x |
| 04:37.19 | anrp | but only libavcodec based things use those optimizations |
| 04:37.38 | anrp | i'll rebuild with less deps |
| 04:37.57 | anrp | might be tomorrow though ~_~ |
| 04:38.22 | anrp | actually.. |
| 04:38.35 | anrp | you might be able to bypass it |
| 04:39.30 | anrp | try -lavdopts idct=7 |
| 04:39.47 | anrp | or =2 |
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| 04:41.13 | xzcvczx | how do you clear the flash to flash a new image on? |
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| 04:44.24 | SpeedEvil | you don't |
| 04:44.28 | SpeedEvil | you just flash it over |
| 04:44.30 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 04:44.55 | SpeedEvil | Rotation is quite costly - at least in mplayer. 1.4* the CPU |
| 04:45.21 | anrp | it's a lot of memory shuffling, sadly |
| 04:45.36 | anrp | 6MB/s for 352x240 24fps video |
| 04:45.44 | anrp | then a totally out of order access pattern to rotate |
| 04:46.46 | anrp | considering we only have 100mb/s (I think?) of memory bandwidth... |
| 04:47.03 | anrp | that's actually an easy check, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1M count=1000 |
| 04:47.15 | SpeedEvil | 600M/s in theory |
| 04:47.21 | aloril | 0.332s vs 5.024s: 15x slower |
| 04:47.41 | anrp | so 200mb/s effective |
| 04:47.43 | aloril | for one video |
| 04:47.52 | SpeedEvil | 133Mhz memory bus, and 4 byte wide |
| 04:47.54 | anrp | er, what were those #s from? |
| 04:48.23 | SpeedEvil | It's a 133Mhz SDRAM. |
| 04:48.29 | anrp | @ aloril |
| 04:48.31 | SpeedEvil | The memory clock can go at 1/2 CPU |
| 04:48.32 | anrp | sorry |
| 04:48.34 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 04:48.54 | anrp | mm my desktop has about 10.1GB/s |
| 04:48.58 | SpeedEvil | On a brighter note - -framedrop on mplayer makes it quite happy with moderately 'too large' CPUs. |
| 04:49.33 | anrp | and my laptop.. 24.4gb/s |
| 04:49.37 | anrp | huh? that can't be right ~_~ |
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| 04:50.22 | SpeedEvil | It'll play 624*352 video at arounf 5fps with framedrop - but stay in sync |
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| 04:50.31 | SpeedEvil | anrp: well - no. |
| 04:50.40 | aloril | anrp: 720x576 MPEG1 about 400-500KB/s, sound 224.0 kbit/s |
| 04:50.43 | SpeedEvil | anrp: you have what in there - DDR? |
| 04:50.49 | anrp | in the desktop? |
| 04:50.50 | anrp | um... |
| 04:50.52 | anrp | ddr2 |
| 04:50.59 | anrp | laptop is a core2, so whatever that takes |
| 04:51.19 | anrp | desktop is a p4 resistive heater type cpu |
| 04:51.21 | SpeedEvil | 24 is probably a little high - but of the right order |
| 04:52.07 | anrp | aloril: how long? |
| 04:52.23 | anrp | oh did that -lavdopts fix it? |
| 04:52.34 | aloril | 38 second video decoded in 5s |
| 04:52.55 | anrp | ?? |
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| 04:53.01 | anrp | on .. the neo? |
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| 04:53.36 | anrp | fyi, -vc null turns off the video decoder so any benchmark with that is .. not very useful ~_~ |
| 04:53.44 | aloril | yes, on Neo |
| 04:53.52 | aloril | so its display, not decoding ;-) |
| 04:53.57 | aloril | ah... |
| 04:54.09 | anrp | did you try the idct opt? |
| 04:54.15 | ciphercast222_ | curious-I installed the 8/1 build of openmoko, was that lacking all modules? |
| 04:54.36 | aloril | ./mplayer-opt-fm -ao null -vo null test.mpeg -benchmark -ac null |
| 04:54.45 | ciphercast222_ | bc I have been unable to access the sd card |
| 04:54.54 | anrp | oh, you're doing an mpeg[12] video |
| 04:54.59 | aloril | yes |
| 04:55.08 | anrp | i was wondering if you could try the mpeg4 with the -lavdopts idct=2 |
| 04:55.12 | anrp | see if it still dies |
| 04:55.45 | aloril | yes: MPlayer interrupted by signal 4 in module: decode_video |
| 04:55.59 | aloril | ./mplayer-opt-fm -lavdopts idct=2 -ao null -vo null RL_MQB_320x240_512_128.avi -benchmark -ac null |
| 04:56.23 | anrp | hmm |
| 04:56.25 | anrp | ok, thanks |
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| 04:57.03 | blindcoder | moin |
| 04:58.09 | ciphercast222_ | any ideas? |
| 04:58.26 | anrp | .. |
| 04:58.37 | anrp | oi. when did a system call named "syscall" appear in linux ~_~ |
| 04:58.45 | ciphercast222_ | curious-I installed the 8/1 build of openmoko, was that lacking all modules? |
| 04:58.57 | SpeedEvil | anrp: VIDEO: ÄXVIDÜ 640x480 24bpp 25.000 fps 677.9 kbps (82.8 kbyte/s) |
| 04:59.01 | ciphercast222_ | bc I have been unable to access the sd card |
| 04:59.03 | SpeedEvil | plays with idct=7 |
| 04:59.11 | anrp | but not 2? (or untried) |
| 04:59.25 | anrp | maybe there's something about that file in my dir |
| 04:59.43 | anrp | ciphercast222_: dmesg | egrep -i 'mmc|sd' say much? |
| 05:00.33 | ciphercast222_ | I am away from the phone atm, but the /dev/card does not show up |
| 05:00.38 | ciphercast222_ | erg |
| 05:01.04 | ciphercast222_ | I reseated the card (it was off) but still no luck |
| 05:01.24 | anrp | mm well its hard to say without looking at the kernel output (I haven't used the new image) |
| 05:01.43 | SpeedEvil | anrp: 1,7 work |
| 05:01.46 | SpeedEvil | 2-6 don't |
| 05:01.53 | anrp | huh |
| 05:01.59 | anrp | that's .. a bit odd, but ok |
| 05:02.17 | anrp | actually, that makes sense |
| 05:02.25 | anrp | except for #2 |
| 05:02.29 | anrp | 2 should work |
| 05:02.53 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't. |
| 05:02.58 | SpeedEvil | MPlayer interrupted by signal 4 in module: decode_video |
| 05:03.11 | ciphercast222_ | anrp: thx, I'll take a look @ it. |
| 05:03.36 | anrp | alright |
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| 05:05.49 | anrp | SpeedEvil: did it work with -lavdopts unspecified? |
| 05:06.04 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 05:07.42 | anrp | ok ~_~ |
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| 05:11.23 | aloril | 6.212s vs 73.061s: 12x: ./mplayer-opt-fm -lavdopts idct=7 -ao null -vo null RL_MQB_320x240_512_128.avi -benchmark -ac null |
| 05:11.51 | anrp | 73 is fast enough for realtime! |
| 05:12.02 | anrp | since its 130 some long |
| 05:12.30 | SpeedEvil | kill Xfbdev, then run it with -vo fbdev2 |
| 05:12.35 | SpeedEvil | then -vo fbdev |
| 05:13.05 | anrp | that sequencing is a bit strange |
| 05:13.09 | anrp | but i guess to be expected? ~_~ |
| 05:13.36 | SpeedEvil | I'm astonished it works at all |
| 05:14.18 | SpeedEvil | If the backlight cuts out - the only way I've found to restart it is to do Xfbdev, then kill it. |
| 05:14.32 | anrp | man, that is a massive hack ~_~ |
| 05:15.39 | anrp | aw crap, fortran build breaks gcc |
| 05:16.41 | aloril | yeah, -vo fbdev seems to work |
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| 05:18.09 | aloril | so just need to (pre)rotate and use 320x240 and it plays mpeg4 |
| 05:18.47 | SpeedEvil | Another hack. |
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| 05:19.16 | SpeedEvil | Take a sheet of 40cm*40cm or so thick cardboard, cut a 2*6cm or so slot out of it. |
| 05:19.27 | SpeedEvil | Jam the top of the neo through. |
| 05:19.30 | aloril | over 6h of video on 2GB card (82KBytes/s) |
| 05:19.37 | SpeedEvil | The speakers sound much better now. |
| 05:20.04 | SpeedEvil | The not really infinite baffle. |
| 05:21.29 | SpeedEvil | If only decent video could be done at 5K/s. |
| 05:23.32 | xzcvczx | hmmm i think there is something actually wrong with my touchscreen now.... after 2 calibrations, old firmware image .... taken off the cover and cleaned it, and with cat /dev/input/touchscreen0 it only prints stuff when i touch the screen it wont work towards the bottom and top edges of the screen it thinks i have tapped in the middle |
| 05:24.18 | SpeedEvil | Sounds possible. |
| 05:24.23 | xzcvczx | :( |
| 05:24.38 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: you got any other hints |
| 05:24.45 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 05:25.50 | xzcvczx | so you reckon just post on the community forums outlining my situation? |
| 05:25.58 | SpeedEvil | Pretty much |
| 05:26.27 | xzcvczx | ok thanks. |
| 05:27.12 | mrface | does anyone know why I can't find any ipk files for *-native packages? |
| 05:27.30 | mrface | maybe I don't need them |
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| 05:37.41 | aloril | battvolt: 4001 chgcur: 1946 chgmode: fast_cccv battemp: 21 |
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| 05:40.21 | ciphercast222_ | ok |
| 05:41.27 | ciphercast222_ | (i'm back) turns out I watched the boot process, came up with three things that were not in dmesg |
| 05:41.55 | ciphercast222_ | all leading to me thinking that the modules were not in the build |
| 05:42.06 | ciphercast222_ | "warning: cannot read /lib/modules/2.6.21.6-moko11/ no such file or directory |
| 05:42.06 | ciphercast222_ | fatal: cannot write to /lib/modules/2.6.21.6-moko11/ modules.dep.temp no such file or directory |
| 05:42.06 | ciphercast222_ | configuring network interface: modprobe fatal: no /lib/modules/2.6.21.6-moko11/modules.dep" |
| 05:42.37 | mwester | mrface: -native packages are build on the build system to support the build process itself; they are not intended for installation on the target device. |
| 05:43.34 | mwester | ciphercast222_: try depmod -a ? |
| 05:43.43 | mrface | mwester: thanks for the explanation |
| 05:43.45 | anrp | .... |
| 05:43.47 | anrp | nooo |
| 05:43.54 | anrp | never do a make install with libc |
| 05:44.20 | mwester | Oooh - yeah, that could be bad. |
| 05:45.02 | anrp | thankfully only pthreads broke |
| 05:45.09 | anrp | yeah it "could" be bad in most cases |
| 05:45.17 | anrp | but it *is* bad when you make install a different arch! |
| 05:46.03 | anrp | that was bloody stupid |
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| 05:46.52 | ciphercast222_ | mrwester: "WARNING: Couldn't open dir /lib/modules/2.6.21.6-moko11/" |
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| 05:47.41 | anrp | does your image kernel version and actual kernel version match? |
| 05:47.54 | ciphercast222_ | "FATAL: couldn't open /lib/modules/2.6.21.6-moko11/ modules.dep" |
| 05:48.20 | anrp | i.e. /proc/version match what shows up in /lib/modules/ |
| 05:50.37 | ciphercast222_ | in /lib/modules, I have ...-moko10 and /proc/version or uname -a gives me ...-moko11 |
| 05:50.57 | ciphercast222_ | which is obviously a problem... |
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| 05:53.08 | ciphercast222_ | I flashed the following: |
| 05:53.10 | ciphercast222_ | openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070728081358.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 05:53.19 | ciphercast222_ | uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin |
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| 05:54.46 | ciphercast222_ | as well as uboot: u-boot-gta01bv4-r11_e80955f07de03fef0196353e77534b2300193c1c_0_2348.bin |
| 05:55.13 | anrp | i guess that image wasn't updated/rebuilt with the new/right kernel |
| 05:55.29 | xzcvczx | ciphercast222_: you will have to update the ipkg's when buildhost comes back up |
| 05:55.33 | anrp | mm why did my toolchain get the eabi, i asked for the oabi |
| 05:55.36 | anrp | ~_? |
| 05:55.37 | apt | it has been said that _ is ALT-255 |
| 05:56.06 | aloril | btw.. I peeked behind screen protector with stylus: no difference in jitter compared to trough factory installed screen protector |
| 05:56.08 | anrp | lies |
| 05:56.08 | anrp | !! |
| 05:56.25 | anrp | not to you, aloril |
| 05:57.00 | anrp | SpeedEvil, aloril: can one of you try http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/hello_world |
| 05:57.11 | anrp | another statically linked program but it got built with eabi (??) |
| 05:57.15 | anrp | wondering if it'll still work |
| 05:57.25 | aloril | btw.. it does this way with double touches: it goes to middle of them |
| 05:58.05 | aloril | or 3 fingers or .. |
| 05:59.29 | ciphercast222_ | anrp: thx for the help, another question; the wiki lacks information about the different current openmoko revisions, where in the svn branch is the latest openmoko source? |
| 05:59.46 | xkr47 | wee, the second batch seems to be starting to move forwards |
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| 06:01.16 | xzcvczx | can someone try typing in 'xtscal -view' in om? |
| 06:01.17 | anrp | i would guess trunk, but i don't really know |
| 06:01.56 | aloril | root@fic-gta01:~$ xtscal -view |
| 06:01.57 | aloril | TS_GET_CAL: Invalid argument |
| 06:02.03 | xzcvczx | ok thanks |
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| 06:02.09 | ciphercast222_ | ok, i'm going to give building the images a shot |
| 06:02.25 | aloril | root@fic-gta01:~$ ./hello_world |
| 06:02.25 | aloril | Illegal instruction |
| 06:02.36 | aloril | (above for anrp ) |
| 06:02.43 | anrp | alright. ~_~ |
| 06:02.55 | anrp | pos |
| 06:03.01 | ScaredyCat | lol |
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| 06:06.01 | anrp | guess i want -march=apcs-gnu |
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| 06:33.00 | aloril | backlight (several steps): /sys/class/backlight/gta01-bl |
| 06:33.29 | anrp | yay, got the oabi (== GNU EABI != EABI) ... |
| 06:33.35 | aloril | vibrator (only on/off?): /sys/class/leds/gta01:vibrator/brightness |
| 06:34.08 | anrp | == apcs-gnu |
| 06:35.55 | hrw | 06 07:44 < anrp> never do a make install with libc |
| 06:36.10 | hrw | anrp: I would rather say: never EVER build software as root |
| 06:36.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Current_events]] [[P1_Owners]] |
| 06:37.12 | leppoc | OMG OMG OMG ! my first compilation is done and works :D |
| 06:37.17 | leppoc | (sory ;) ) |
| 06:37.29 | anrp | well |
| 06:37.34 | anrp | i'd agree |
| 06:37.41 | anrp | it was still a major fuckup |
| 06:37.50 | anrp | 'm installing an arm libc that isn't even glibc onto an x86 system with glibc |
| 06:37.51 | rtm_ | leppoc: Why be sorry - it's a personal triumph. Good work. |
| 06:37.52 | anrp | or, was |
| 06:37.57 | anrp | thankfully, everything immediately broke |
| 06:37.58 | leppoc | :D |
| 06:38.01 | anrp | so i only had to fix pthreads |
| 06:38.33 | anrp | how's that for sad? |
| 06:39.11 | hrw | anrp: for such builds I prefer OpenEmbedded - less things to worry |
| 06:41.23 | aloril | vibrator isn't very powerful though |
| 06:41.28 | anrp | true, but i'm just trying out a quicky with uclibc |
| 06:41.40 | xkr47 | anyone remember what was said to be the package weight of a single base neo ? |
| 06:41.43 | anrp | anyway, aloril (or anyone) can you try to run http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/hello_world2 |
| 06:41.46 | anrp | ? |
| 06:42.01 | anrp | thats with OABI, softvfp |
| 06:42.16 | hrw | anrp: and uclibc is also nice handled |
| 06:42.28 | anrp | it is |
| 06:42.45 | anrp | however the build i'm doing is slightly broken for the arm target which lead me into building uclibc by hand |
| 06:42.51 | anrp | and automatically, make, make install |
| 06:42.59 | anrp | and boom |
| 06:43.18 | aloril | root@fic-gta01:~$ ./hello_world2 |
| 06:43.19 | aloril | Illegal instruction |
| 06:43.23 | anrp | .. |
| 06:43.26 | anrp | hrm |
| 06:44.03 | xkr47 | aloril, you overclocker ;) |
| 06:44.29 | anrp | try http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/hello_world3 |
| 06:44.30 | anrp | ? |
| 06:44.35 | anrp | thats arm720t target |
| 06:45.11 | xzcvczx | xkr47: i have seen 1.9lbs and 2.0lbs |
| 06:45.20 | anrp | also http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/hello_world4 , explicitly set arm920t |
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| 06:45.31 | xkr47 | ok thx xzcvczx |
| 06:46.07 | aloril | anrp: 3: Illegal instruction |
| 06:46.33 | anrp | agh |
| 06:46.35 | anrp | why ... |
| 06:46.52 | aloril | anrp: 4: Illegal instruction |
| 06:47.19 | anrp | you wouldn't happen to have gdb would you? |
| 06:48.22 | aloril | it seems to be installed: Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction. __udivsi3 () at /home/arm/buildroot/toolchain_build_arm_nofpu/gcc-4.2.1/gcc/config/arm/lib1funcs.asm:364 |
| 06:48.42 | leppoc | I have the graphics broken under Xnest. on this (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo) page, it is said to add a user messagebus, etc... |
| 06:48.50 | anrp | huh? |
| 06:48.51 | anrp | wait a sec |
| 06:49.10 | leppoc | do I have to do that on my computer, or in my chrooted environment (aka mokobox) ? |
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| 06:50.15 | aloril | anrp: this is openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 06:50.17 | anrp | is it the same place for hello_world2 ? |
| 06:50.23 | anrp | i should flash mine |
| 06:51.11 | aloril | yes |
| 06:51.40 | anrp | agh |
| 06:51.41 | anrp | wtf? |
| 06:51.53 | anrp | i told it 920T in the build, but it's building for 944 |
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| 06:52.03 | anrp | er 946 |
| 06:52.32 | aloril | 3 too, 1 is: warning: shared library handler failed to enable breakpoint\nProgram received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction.\n0x0000ca08 in ?? () |
| 06:52.55 | aloril | anrp: umm.. you have Neo1973? |
| 06:53.47 | anrp | i do.. however, it has a dead battery |
| 06:53.55 | anrp | which is one heck of a bad reason to not use it |
| 06:53.59 | anrp | its also not at work though |
| 06:56.36 | anrp | great. rebuilding again |
| 06:57.07 | aloril | umm.. just leave it connected to PC that can give 500mA when requested? |
| 06:58.17 | anrp | i have to bring it back to work, it has old u-boot |
| 06:58.28 | anrp | have a decent ps at work |
| 06:59.10 | anrp | sorry if i keep asking stuff from you... SpeedEvil seemed to wander off ~_~ |
| 07:00.32 | anrp | and i would like to be doing it on mine |
| 07:00.32 | hrw | anrp: 'old u-boot'? you have phase0 device? |
| 07:00.47 | anrp | well, it won't accept a charge from full off, so I assume its old u-boot |
| 07:01.00 | anrp | but i can't say that for sure... |
| 07:01.00 | hrw | anrp: then do not assume |
| 07:01.21 | anrp | since i've got to give the battery some juice by hand |
| 07:01.28 | hrw | anrp: take off battery, usb cable. put battery back, connect usb, then connect to 500mA usb port and leave for few hours |
| 07:01.47 | anrp | mm? |
| 07:01.50 | anrp | i shall try that |
| 07:02.03 | hrw | anrp: uboot with power problem was only in phase0 devices - months ago |
| 07:02.07 | hrw | you should |
| 07:02.25 | anrp | goes to show why one should pay more attention |
| 07:04.29 | aloril | "Sold out!" ... "This means that any orders placed now will not be shipping before September 10, 2007." https://direct.openmoko.com/ |
| 07:04.36 | anrp | ouch |
| 07:04.53 | Richlv | wow. is that good or bad ? :) |
| 07:04.56 | anrp | well.. actually, that's only a month away |
| 07:04.59 | anrp | so not so bad |
| 07:05.01 | anrp | but still ~_~ |
| 07:05.31 | Richlv | it would be worse if they had only few devices bought ;) |
| 07:06.47 | aloril | (script) planet: Jouston Huang: Neo 1973 is sold out http://jouston.no-ip.com/archives/000229.html |
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| 07:10.11 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:12.35 | aloril | TRIsoft: morning (you just missed news that Neo1973 has 'sold out') ( http://jouston.no-ip.com/archives/000229.html https://direct.openmoko.com/ ) |
| 07:13.56 | TRIsoft | :-O |
| 07:14.01 | aloril | "We sold out our Neo 1973 now. In fact, if you place order now. The ETA will be almost October 2007." |
| 07:14.43 | aloril | my Neo1973 better not break ... |
| 07:14.56 | xzcvczx | aloril: your telling me |
| 07:15.34 | TRIsoft | aloril: Yep. Better keep it in some carrying case. |
| 07:15.39 | xkr47 | wonder what ETA is for the gta02 currently |
| 07:16.02 | xkr47 | (including all the steps until actual shipping) |
| 07:16.35 | aloril | somehow I doubt October .. |
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| 07:16.47 | TRIsoft | xkr47: Better question is: Will the next shipping be GTA01 or 02 ? |
| 07:17.10 | hrw | I think that rather gta01 |
| 07:17.12 | xkr47 | :) |
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| 07:18.32 | aloril | xkr47: don't be until it has been succesfully delivered ;-) |
| 07:19.07 | aloril | xzcvczx: lets hope your problem can be resolved |
| 07:19.15 | xkr47 | ;) |
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| 07:20.59 | xzcvczx | aloril: yeah thats what i hope.... if only i could find out what the problem is i have a couple of people i know who are brilliant with electronics so if its something easy will be nice |
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| 07:23.05 | anrp | last one for today (... sorry) |
| 07:23.19 | anrp | also http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/hello_world_v4t |
| 07:23.22 | anrp | er -also |
| 07:26.48 | aloril | root@fic-gta01:~$ ./hello_world_v4t\nInteger hello 32769\nDouble hello: 239924525 sin=0918189 cos=0396143 |
| 07:26.59 | anrp | alright |
| 07:27.10 | anrp | something's still odd (no decimal point?) but it finally does something -_- |
| 07:27.14 | anrp | thanks, i appreciate it |
| 07:27.18 | aloril | np |
| 07:28.52 | xkr47 | :) |
| 07:28.53 | cayco | hi guys, did any of you tried to pair Neo and MacOS? I try to run passkey-agent --default 0000 and put 0000 on Mac while pairing but this doesn't work. |
| 07:32.42 | cayco | or maybe someone had problems with pairing linux and neo? |
| 07:34.33 | aloril | anrp: I just wondered what problem you had with your Neo1973 and it seems it was good I wondered (new information for you) |
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| 07:37.52 | aloril | (updated estimates, but they are guesses of course ...: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter ) |
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| 07:44.06 | Rince | since I just came aware that there is a logfile which gets published on web without asking the people here first, I'll leave the channel. I don't like being published with everything I say here without giving my explicit permission |
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| 07:44.57 | ScaredyCat | Rince you pussy.. |
| 07:45.00 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 07:45.06 | Dmitry_Platonov | isn't IRC public anyway? |
| 07:45.06 | ScaredyCat | read that in the logs ;) |
| 07:45.17 | ScaredyCat | well, yes |
| 07:45.32 | Dmitry_Platonov | and where is the log? :) |
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| 07:45.48 | ScaredyCat | it's not like you a)need an invite b) it isn;t sent as plain text |
| 07:46.17 | Xx13 | there is a difference between a public channel and public log |
| 07:46.22 | aloril | http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko/ and http://ibot.rikers.org/%23openmoko/ |
| 07:46.23 | ScaredyCat | hang I'll find it |
| 07:46.30 | ScaredyCat | oh, there it is :) |
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| 07:46.38 | aloril | ( http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko.txt for recent ) |
| 07:47.35 | ScaredyCat | if you mind people reading what you say in a public channel... perhaps you should think about what you say... |
| 07:48.47 | telconta1 | w00t card finally charged! now no excuse for not working through a build :) |
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| 07:49.16 | Xx13 | it's one thing to make a fool of yourself in front of 300ppl, and another infront of 6 billion ;) |
| 07:49.37 | ScaredyCat | 6 billion don't give a flying feck.. |
| 07:49.41 | Dmitry_Platonov | anybody got 2007.2 running in qemu? |
| 07:49.46 | ScaredyCat | 6 billion don't even know who you are |
| 07:50.05 | ScaredyCat | unless you're the star wars kid.. |
| 07:50.16 | ScaredyCat | or that other kid they photoshopped a lot.. |
| 07:50.26 | ScaredyCat | but then... this is irc... |
| 07:51.01 | ScaredyCat | and I'm a 19 year old female with large breasts... you've seen that picture... |
| 07:51.25 | Xx13 | ;) |
| 07:52.18 | ScaredyCat | trying to find it Dmitry_Platonov |
| 07:55.49 | xzcvczx | thomasg: you around? |
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| 07:57.15 | Dmitry_Platonov | what about GPS chip in 02? Will it be same GL Hammerhead as in 01? |
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| 08:18.22 | anrp | http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/zaurus/mplayer/mplayer-arm920t |
| 08:18.24 | anrp | and with that... bed |
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| 08:32.37 | rwhitby | So how many people left because of the logs? |
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| 08:34.07 | aloril | rwhitby: only know one person ;-) |
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| 08:35.09 | hhf423 | isn't every mailinglist archived these days? |
| 08:35.29 | rwhitby | ~logs |
| 08:35.29 | apt | logs is, like, apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 08:35.34 | hhf423 | in my experience, there is always someone who archives it and puts it online sooner or later |
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| 08:36.36 | hermann_348 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=348 klick plx |
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| 08:37.07 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[GPS_Navigation]] [[Translation_HOWTO/bg]] [[Bluetooth_powered_Multi-SIM_support]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Development_resources]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[User:Xkr47]] |
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| 08:40.18 | aloril | anrp: earlier: 73.061s: mplayer-opt-fm -lavdopts idct=7 -ao null -vo null RL_MQB_320x240_512_128.avi -benchmark -ac null |
| 08:40.26 | aloril | works now, but slower: 149.51s: time mplayer-arm920t -ao null -vo null RL_MQB_320x240_512_128.avi -benchmark -ac null |
| 08:41.13 | xzcvczx | does someone want to try runnning xev and touch the screen and hold it for a bit and tell me what sort of fluctuation you get in the position,.... i am getting about 200 pixels of fluctuation in it |
| 08:44.16 | mdt | xzcvczx, i can't, i deinstalled X :D but we can do with the ts_-tools like ts_test |
| 08:44.21 | aloril | works now, but slower with same options too: 146.87s: time mplayer-arm920t -lavdopts idct=7 -ao null -vo null RL_MQB_320x240_512_128.avi -benchmark -ac null |
| 08:45.57 | aloril | xzcvczx: about (+-1, +-2) |
| 08:49.17 | xzcvczx | mdt: ah thanks havent seen those programs before |
| 08:50.39 | xzcvczx | mdt: in ts_print_raw if you touch and hold does it print multiple events for you? |
| 08:51.57 | mdt | xzcvczx, cool stuff... |
| 08:52.31 | mdt | xzcvczx, wait a second |
| 08:53.10 | mdt | yes |
| 08:53.46 | mdt | about +-10 |
| 08:54.26 | xzcvczx | ok |
| 08:54.29 | mdt | if i lift off i get a 0 0 0 event and after that a 300 300 0 event (or whatever coords) |
| 08:55.01 | xzcvczx | hmmmm i am trying the ts_test program and i get a picture that looks like |
| 08:55.13 | xzcvczx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:55.32 | mdt | have u shut down X? |
| 08:55.37 | xzcvczx | nope |
| 08:55.53 | mdt | just kill the program with something ...session in the name |
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| 08:56.15 | mdt | the picture of ts_test are 2 buttons on top and 2 lines text |
| 08:56.27 | mdt | u get a cursor to move & draw |
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| 09:00.47 | kristian-m | 'morning |
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| 09:04.43 | xzcvczx | mdt: https://swel024.ath.cx/~swel024/moko.jpg |
| 09:05.22 | mdt | hey! how did u change the color? |
| 09:05.29 | mdt | :D cool |
| 09:05.32 | xzcvczx | mdt: huh? |
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| 09:05.54 | mdt | xzcvczx, that wasn't draawn with ts_test...? |
| 09:06.22 | xzcvczx | mdt: that was a crude copy of what it looked like in ts_test done in mspaint |
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| 09:07.26 | xzcvczx | in other words those 2 left corners were not picking up |
| 09:07.37 | xzcvczx | and on the right hand side it was going off the screen |
| 09:07.38 | mdt | xzcvczx, try fbgrab to get a png |
| 09:07.50 | xzcvczx | oh ok |
| 09:08.06 | mdt | neo is open - all tools included :D |
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| 09:12.01 | xzcvczx | https://swel024.ath.cx/~swel024/blah.png |
| 09:12.51 | Stephmw | mornin' |
| 09:15.45 | xzcvczx | mdt: thats from fbgrab |
| 09:16.23 | aloril | from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader modified to setenv menu_7 Autofast-Charge: neo1973 charger autofast |
| 09:16.54 | mdt | xzcvczx, doing what? |
| 09:17.11 | mdt | can u ts_cal.. the device first? |
| 09:17.17 | aloril | chgmode stays at fast_cccv |
| 09:17.19 | xzcvczx | mdt: already ts_cal'd it |
| 09:18.47 | mdt | xzcvczx, so u tried to draw full screen? and get that only? |
| 09:19.01 | xzcvczx | mdt: yup |
| 09:21.04 | aloril | so that solves it, just need to select additional item from menu and its fast |
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| 09:22.06 | mdt | xzcvczx, let me see if the cal really writes it somewhere... it really looks as if the calibration does not fit on your deveice |
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| 09:28.24 | aloril | (original works too for just charging, modified for charge + usage from USB charger) |
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| 09:30.24 | xzcvczx | mdt: when you run ts_calibrate whats your xres and yres |
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| 09:32.56 | mdt | xzcvczx, xres = 480, yres = 640 |
| 09:34.23 | aloril | xzcvczx: root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /etc/pointercal |
| 09:34.23 | aloril | 381 36320 -3001508 -47899 -123 45146744 65536 |
| 09:35.12 | xzcvczx | yeah 2 people now have had 3 negatives i only have 2 |
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| 09:36.03 | Stephmw | howdy LaF0rge |
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| 09:38.07 | Dmitry_Platonov | LaF0rge, can you comment on rumors that GTA02 will have different GPS chip? |
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| 09:38.13 | xzcvczx | can a couple more people paste their /etc/pointercal input in here |
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| 09:42.17 | aloril | ts_print_raw reports time, x, y, on/off: is there program that reports values between 0 and 1 too? (for pressure sensitivity, I assume it has that) |
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| 09:43.27 | florian | good morning |
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| 09:47.59 | xzcvczx | hmmmm thanks |
| 09:48.45 | liu_ | where can I find the second generation user interface? |
| 09:48.46 | aloril | liu_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 09:51.21 | Dmitry_Platonov | aloril, why do you think Neo's touchscreen has pressure sensitivity? I doubt it. |
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| 09:52.44 | ScaredyCat | 88 35789 -2554340 -47401 -510 45122076 65536 |
| 09:52.48 | aloril | 2007-08-04 18:11:13 <mickeyl> b) play with pressure reporting frequency |
| 09:52.48 | liu_ | where can I find the second generation user interface? |
| 09:52.50 | aloril | 2007-08-04 18:11:24 <SpeedEvil> pressure reporting? |
| 09:52.58 | aloril | 2007-08-04 18:11:40 <mickeyl> not pressure in parcitular |
| 09:52.59 | mdt | xzcvczx, 194 35932 -2758620 -47727 -241 44968404 655366 |
| 09:54.10 | aloril | Dmitry_Platonov: so... it might report values other than 0 and 1 in hardware, maybe: |
| 09:54.11 | aloril | 2007-08-04 18:11:53 <SpeedEvil> contact resistance? |
| 09:54.28 | ScaredyCat | liu_: http://people.openmoko.org/alphaone/images/ |
| 09:54.44 | liu_ | ScaredyCat: thanks |
| 09:55.31 | aloril | for normal X11 apps: probably not useful, but if you want to extract all information for "check for signature" or "fast input gestures" or .. could be useful |
| 09:55.58 | liu_ | ScaredyCat: I don't have Development Environment, can you tell me what's new? |
| 09:57.00 | ScaredyCat | it's only a small set of apps, a few games.. the scrolling is 'inertial' ie you flick it and it scrolls quickly, slowing as time goes by |
| 09:57.15 | ScaredyCat | it's not complete atm either |
| 09:57.22 | ScaredyCat | those are very basic images. |
| 09:57.44 | liu_ | ScaredyCat: thank you |
| 09:58.31 | Dmitry_Platonov | I think, in hardware each touchscreen "cell" has only on/off status. But, if you use finger, it can compute area of contact and software can transform it to "pressure" |
| 09:58.34 | ScaredyCat | no probs. They're quite good for demoing the potential of the neo |
| 09:59.05 | xzcvczx | mdt: oh well it looks like it may not be a hardware issue anymore.... pulled off the cover and it worked properly |
| 09:59.18 | mdt | xzcvczx, ;) |
| 10:01.12 | ScaredyCat | fluff in the machine |
| 10:01.54 | aloril | xzcvczx: phew |
| 10:01.59 | ScaredyCat | and must be midday |
| 10:04.00 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: aleady checked that went over the cover and screen with the stylus torch but couldnt see anything |
| 10:04.31 | xzcvczx | it does seem to be that the case is pushing on it or something though |
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| 10:05.20 | SpeedEvil | That is a hardware problem. |
| 10:05.35 | SpeedEvil | Have you removed the touchscreen cover? |
| 10:05.42 | cayco | anyone one knows what would happen if rootfs.jffs2 has about 35120KB ? |
| 10:05.53 | cayco | I am trying to upload it now ;) |
| 10:05.57 | SpeedEvil | why should anything? |
| 10:06.03 | cayco | would it fit? |
| 10:06.04 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: well i was more meaning electron carrying/generating/whatever hardware problem before |
| 10:06.10 | SpeedEvil | it's 64M |
| 10:06.22 | cayco | hmm, i though its 32MB |
| 10:06.27 | cayco | ok, nvrmnd |
| 10:06.32 | SpeedEvil | cayco: the partition it goes in |
| 10:07.04 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: touch screen cover you mean the screen protecter that comes with it if so yes |
| 10:12.37 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 10:12.51 | SpeedEvil | WRT the 'sold out' notice. |
| 10:12.56 | SpeedEvil | Fucking insane. |
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| 10:14.54 | SpeedEvil | Nothing even to the announce list. Never mind that the announce should have been nearly a month ago. |
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| 10:16.09 | Kheldar | openmoko.com down? |
| 10:16.30 | SpeedEvil | It'll be back sometime 2008... |
| 10:17.15 | SpeedEvil | I'd have been less pissed off with a 'for contractual reasons we can't inform you'. notice much earlier. |
| 10:19.54 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: what are you reading? |
| 10:20.08 | cayco | guys, i have a problem, i made jffs2 image using MokoMakefile, uploaded it to phone using dfu-util and after reboot all I can see on screen is: JFFS2 error: 729 jffs2_du_read_inode_internatl: Argh. Special inode #6754 with mode 0x21a4 had more than one node (there are few screens of that kinds of message). |
| 10:20.19 | Dmitry_Platonov | s/reading/smoking/ |
| 10:20.22 | cayco | i tried taht on friday, i tried today - all the same |
| 10:20.40 | cayco | what am i doing wrong? |
| 10:20.55 | xzcvczx | Dmitry_Platonov: lol |
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| 10:22.42 | cayco | strange thing is that on emulator it works fine |
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| 10:23.55 | jgm | cayco: try using the new mokomakefile targets to flash your neo |
| 10:24.21 | hrw | cayco: how goes neo? |
| 10:24.23 | cayco | jgm: what are they? i mean what is their name? |
| 10:24.26 | jgm | If the neo is plugged in and ready to flash then just 'make flash-neo-local' |
| 10:24.32 | xkr47 | xzcvczx, it probably won't cost anything, but arranging for the shipment of it probably gets expensive :P |
| 10:24.35 | hrw | cayco: first clean rootfs from bootloader |
| 10:24.49 | xzcvczx | xkr47: yeah |
| 10:25.05 | xkr47 | maybe the hacker's toolbox should contain an extra cover as well |
| 10:25.07 | cayco | hrw: you mean factory reset? |
| 10:25.28 | hrw | cayco: no |
| 10:25.36 | hrw | cayco: 'nand erase rootfs' |
| 10:25.42 | hrw | cayco: read the wiki |
| 10:26.09 | cayco | hrw: neo goes fine ;) i cant get my own images to work but i can install and play with ipk packages |
| 10:26.09 | Psi_ | xzcvczx, got mplayer running yet? |
| 10:26.26 | xzcvczx | Psi_: no had other things to worry about |
| 10:26.36 | xzcvczx | Psi_: only just got my touchscreen working properly again |
| 10:26.46 | Psi_ | hehe, what was wrong with it? |
| 10:26.56 | xzcvczx | Psi_: case seems to be pushing in a weird place |
| 10:27.11 | hrw | cayco: where in Poland you are from? |
| 10:27.14 | Psi_ | thats strange |
| 10:27.25 | xzcvczx | Psi_: do you maybe want to look at going 1/2's in a debug board if we can buy them by themselves? |
| 10:27.26 | cayco | hrw: warszawa |
| 10:27.45 | hrw | cayco: base or advanced neo kit? |
| 10:27.52 | Psi_ | xzcvczx, i was going to buy the hackers lunchbox for my next wifi neo |
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| 10:28.03 | xzcvczx | Psi_: yeah thats true |
| 10:28.24 | cayco | hrw: base, buddy of mine has ordere advanced but he has some high order number (~3000) |
| 10:28.32 | Dmitry_Platonov | I built 2007.2 images, but they are not working with qemu. Might be qemu issues, or images' one. Anybody want to check? |
| 10:29.02 | hrw | cayco: in case of problem you can visit Poznań and get your neo restored from brick |
| 10:29.35 | cayco | hrw: ok, i know how to erase rootfs from bootloader, but why I need to do that? |
| 10:29.39 | cayco | hrw: dzięki ;) |
| 10:29.58 | Psi_ | xzcvczx, so you still dont know of anyone in nz with the debug board? |
| 10:30.15 | hrw | cayco: because dfu uploading does not do it so if you upload smaller rootfs then the one which was on device jffs2 can get wild |
| 10:30.16 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: direct.openmoko.com |
| 10:30.34 | SpeedEvil | Please note that due to unexpected high demand, even at this early development stage, our quantities up to and including August 2007 are already oversold. This means that any orders placed now will not be shipping before September 10, 2007. We ask for your understanding. Your credit card will only be charged immediately before delivery. |
| 10:31.00 | Psi_ | yeah, i just saw that on the mailing list |
| 10:31.34 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Huh? direct.openmoko.com is accessible but www. isn't? Now, how bad PR is that for a company to not have the main domain accessible... |
| 10:31.48 | SpeedEvil | Well. |
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| 10:31.55 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: yeah i realise that but i was thinking about getting in touch with them directly just about a case/debug board so figured it was just complete units they were having a problem with |
| 10:31.57 | SpeedEvil | PR seems maybe not to be the strong point. |
| 10:32.19 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Words well chosen, my friend. |
| 10:32.40 | abraxa_ | And I agree totally ;) |
| 10:32.55 | Psi_ | xzcvczx, what do you want one so badly? |
| 10:33.01 | Psi_ | do you want to play with uboot?\ |
| 10:33.17 | Psi_ | if so, why? |
| 10:33.18 | ScaredyCat | it'd be like having an online shop that doesn't have a proper certificate....oh ..wait... errm |
| 10:33.29 | Psi_ | heh |
| 10:33.56 | Psi_ | what=why |
| 10:33.58 | xzcvczx | Psi_: well no i think i need a new front cover so if i was going to have to pay for shipping for that anyway i figured i would get something like a debug board which would be good just in case accidentally stuffed uboot |
| 10:34.03 | cayco | hrw; does this nand erase thing also go for kernels? |
| 10:34.09 | Psi_ | ah |
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| 10:34.19 | Psi_ | why are you flashing uboot anyway |
| 10:34.20 | hrw | cayco: kernel partition does not have that problem |
| 10:34.23 | PBeck | hi |
| 10:34.24 | Psi_ | ive not needed to yet |
| 10:34.51 | hrw | cayco: kernel for u-boot contain header which has information how big kernel is so there is no problem when you flash smaller kernel |
| 10:34.51 | xzcvczx | Psi_: i have updated mine once |
| 10:35.01 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: I'm sure you read Harald's blog post so you might want to wait till v3 of the debug board goes into mass production :) |
| 10:35.04 | Psi | xzcvczx, why? |
| 10:35.10 | cayco | shouldn't that be on wiki somewhere? |
| 10:35.23 | hrw | cayco: it is somewhere |
| 10:35.32 | xzcvczx | abraxa_: nope |
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| 10:36.47 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Minime/sketch]] [[Bluetooth_powered_Multi-SIM_support/Device_Support]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Bluetooth_powered_Multi-SIM_support]] [[Main_Page/bg]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Duesseldorf]] |
| 10:36.52 | abraxa__ | xzcvczx: http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/ - it's the second point on the list |
| 10:39.15 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> | Store: www.openmoko.com (SOLD OUT (till October)) | Received Neo1973? See [[SH1]] | Shipping status roughly at [[P1_Owners]] | If you have hardware: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Unresolved_Hardware_Questions and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973 |
| 10:41.24 | cayco | I updated wiki on that on: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko#Actually_flashing_things_into_the_device |
| 10:41.42 | mmazur | Fuck. I've just paid 70$ toll. |
| 10:41.46 | mmazur | Shit fuck fuck. |
| 10:42.01 | Kliment_ | :( |
| 10:42.09 | ScaredyCat | $70 is like 45pence... it's nothing |
| 10:42.19 | cayco | mmazur: for what? |
| 10:42.24 | mmazur | Neo. |
| 10:42.34 | Kliment_ | dollars of what country |
| 10:42.35 | ScaredyCat | borg paid 180 Euro |
| 10:42.39 | mmazur | usd |
| 10:42.59 | mmazur | I'm just unwrapping my precsioussss. |
| 10:43.29 | cayco | mmazur: are you from poland? |
| 10:43.37 | mmazur | yup |
| 10:43.43 | cayco | mmzaur: a skÄ…d? |
| 10:43.51 | hrw | cayco: opole ztcp |
| 10:43.56 | xzcvczx | has anyone got a rootfs image that works with moko11? |
| 10:43.59 | ScaredyCat | ..and you paid in usd? |
| 10:44.06 | Kliment_ | I'm at an airport with a really flaky wifi I paid money for |
| 10:44.12 | mmazur | No, but if I gave you PLN that wouldn't mean squat to you :) |
| 10:44.14 | mmazur | hrw, yes |
| 10:44.25 | ScaredyCat | zloty! |
| 10:44.27 | cayco | hrw: i know (by email) one other user from warsaw - p. Duda |
| 10:44.50 | cayco | hrw: there is quite a few of us ;) |
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| 10:45.43 | hrw | ScaredyCat: złoty |
| 10:46.53 | cayco | ok, guys, cleaning up rootfs helped, thx for helping |
| 10:47.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r2643 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ (12 files in 2 dirs): |
| 10:47.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Session save/restore now implemented |
| 10:47.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: More main window<->playback/playlist interfacing |
| 10:47.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Some cleaning up, some bugfixing :) |
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| 10:54.34 | Linux_Galore | ello moko nuts |
| 10:54.56 | Linux_Galore | some nice pics http://www.flickr.com/photos/devilsrejection/1020419015/ |
| 10:55.58 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2644 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/ (ChangeLog src/feed-data.c): |
| 10:55.58 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-06 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 10:55.58 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Blind compile fix for GNU libc. |
| 10:55.58 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/feed-data.c: |
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| 11:00.00 | PBeck | re |
| 11:00.39 | xzcvczx | Psi: what kernel are you running? |
| 11:06.23 | Linux_Galore | unboxing video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXNg2qG2IJ |
| 11:06.53 | Linux_Galore | They were not kidding when the said the stylus is big |
| 11:06.58 | Dmitry_Platonov | http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=iphone |
| 11:08.10 | diogenes_ | Linux_Galore: "The url contained a malformed video id." |
| 11:08.33 | Linux_Galore | oops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXNg2qG2IJ8 |
| 11:08.36 | Linux_Galore | sorry |
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| 11:10.31 | abraxa__ | Dmitry_Platonov: Wow... I for one would not dare to tear up a device that contains a Li-Ion cell... |
| 11:11.05 | Dmitry_Platonov | They even tried to blend lighters... |
| 11:11.07 | chaKKo_1521 | http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=1521 |
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| 11:14.16 | cayco | anyone managed to pair neo to smth? |
| 11:15.46 | ewon | you mean with BT? |
| 11:16.02 | ewon | yeah, one of the guys here wrote a script to make it act as a BT GPS |
| 11:16.15 | xzcvczxx | cayco: they tried it in matrix revolutions and it didnt work |
| 11:16.29 | ewon | badumtish |
| 11:16.49 | xzcvczxx | yeah i know |
| 11:16.51 | cayco | a cannot pass pairing, i tried with macOS, with my phone and passkey-agent seems to be malfuctioning to me |
| 11:17.01 | cayco | ewon: yes, i mean BT |
| 11:17.12 | ewon | check the wiki for the bt gps script and see how he did it, I'd say |
| 11:17.55 | cayco | ewon: thx, i try that... |
| 11:18.08 | ScaredyCat | so it's an empty message SpeedEvil? |
| 11:18.33 | SpeedEvil | Not quite. |
| 11:19.29 | mmazur | Crap. I have problems figuring out how to insert the sim and flash card properly. |
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| 11:20.55 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.02 | SpeedEvil | Undefined. |
| 11:21.08 | ScaredyCat | assuming * = 1 char |
| 11:21.21 | SpeedEvil | mmazur: the key is that the SIMs/cards slide into the metal bits |
| 11:21.28 | mmazur | I know. |
| 11:21.43 | mmazur | It'd be nice if someone uploaded a 'finished' photo of everything. |
| 11:22.00 | SpeedEvil | open sim holder. slide microSD into the holder - contacts down and first in. |
| 11:22.03 | mmazur | This is like advanced technology, linux 'n stuff, I get scared of such things. |
| 11:22.23 | ScaredyCat | I can once the batteries for my camera are done mmazur |
| 11:22.30 | SpeedEvil | close holder gently, and push the microSD to lock |
| 11:22.33 | abraxa__ | mmazur: There's a video on google video/YouTube for that |
| 11:22.37 | ScaredyCat | I htought there was a video |
| 11:22.39 | SpeedEvil | push the metal tab to lock |
| 11:22.39 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 11:22.40 | rwhitby | cayco: I've been using my neo as a BT GPS receiver for Maemo Mapper running on my Nokia N800 |
| 11:22.55 | mmazur | Video? |
| 11:22.56 | mmazur | Hmmm. |
| 11:23.01 | cayco | mmazur: check this pictures: http://www.openmoko.org.pl/node/38 (at the end) |
| 11:23.17 | ewon | I see the openmoko sales process is verging on cretinous |
| 11:23.25 | cayco | rwhitby: how did you paired your devices? |
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| 11:23.57 | abraxa__ | mmazur: http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-8343770443102960945 shows you how |
| 11:24.07 | rwhitby | oh, I had a Treo650 paired with it too, using the Treo as a hardware keyboard over ssh over bluetooth dund |
| 11:24.23 | rwhitby | run edit /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf on the neo |
| 11:24.31 | rwhitby | s/run/just/ |
| 11:24.55 | cayco | and turn security to none? |
| 11:25.04 | ScaredyCat | why do people insist on putting shite music in their videos all the time. |
| 11:25.08 | ewon | rwhitby: impressive |
| 11:25.42 | rwhitby | ewon: I set the pin in hcid.conf or /etc/bluetooth/pin or something like that (don't remember). |
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| 11:26.11 | rwhitby | then edited the bluetooth defaults file to start sdpd and dund, and put some stuff in /etc/ppp/options. |
| 11:26.16 | ewon | anyone heard anything about a toolchain for the UTStarCom DV007? |
| 11:26.23 | rwhitby | (I'd done it all on an NSLU2 before, and the Neo wasn't much different) |
| 11:27.04 | hrw | mmazur: you want photo of mSD/sim slot? |
| 11:27.12 | rwhitby | ewon: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Peripherals/BluetoothAdapter is how you do it on an NSLU2, the firmware for which is also built from OpenEmbedded. |
| 11:27.19 | cayco | yes! setting the pin in hcid.conf helped me ;) i was trying to set it while starting root@fic-gta01:~$ passkey-agent --default and it won't work |
| 11:28.38 | ewon | rwhitby: cool, thanks |
| 11:29.54 | mmazur | hrw, managed with the video. |
| 11:30.03 | mmazur | It doesn't look too... durable. |
| 11:30.12 | mmazur | Dropping it would probably mean death. |
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| 11:32.20 | ewon | wonder could I find one of those silicon skins to fit the neo |
| 11:32.34 | abraxa__ | mmazur: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D6i6vLlhGA ;) |
| 11:32.37 | ScaredyCat | wiki is broken in opera |
| 11:35.49 | mmazur | Ok, just got my first kernel panic. |
| 11:35.50 | mmazur | Yeeeeeey. |
| 11:37.33 | ewon | \o/ |
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| 11:42.37 | ScaredyCat | mmmm |
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| 11:46.07 | ScaredyCat | my nokia 770 says that the neo has no bt services :( |
| 11:47.00 | mmazur | Hmm, the neo should be able to act as a gps via bt for other phones, ay? |
| 11:47.06 | mjr | yes |
| 11:47.15 | mjr | and there is a script for that in the wiki |
| 11:49.23 | ScaredyCat | didn't work |
| 11:49.24 | rwhitby | mmazur: I've dropped the neo from chest height onto pavement, and it still works fine. |
| 11:50.04 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: are you using MaemoMapper? |
| 11:50.15 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 11:50.17 | Stephmw | jserv2: congratulations |
| 11:50.19 | ScaredyCat | well, I was trying to |
| 11:50.26 | ScaredyCat | but i didn;t get that far |
| 11:50.46 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: run the first gps script, and then tail /tmp/gps.nmea until you get a fix, before starting the second script |
| 11:50.55 | mmazur | Ah, crap! |
| 11:50.58 | ScaredyCat | aaahhhhhh |
| 11:51.00 | rwhitby | then connect with the nokia |
| 11:51.03 | mmazur | If only I had time to play with this more :(((((((((( |
| 11:51.06 | mmazur | Stupid job. |
| 11:51.29 | xzcvczxx | rwhitby: you are brave |
| 11:51.34 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: I haven't got a reliable setup myself yet, but that sequence seems to work best for me (still doesn't work every time) |
| 11:51.42 | rwhitby | xzcvczxx: I didn't drop it by choice |
| 11:51.51 | xzcvczxx | lol |
| 11:52.25 | ScaredyCat | k, I'll give it a go rwhitby, ta... |
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| 11:53.08 | xzcvczx | whats the best way to get the newest image since buildhost has gone? |
| 11:53.21 | rwhitby | If I'd had the internal screws still inserted, it would have survived unscathed. As I had taken the screws out to get to the debug connector (both my neos have the screws permanently removed), the top of the case split apart a bit (probably due to the weight of the ceramic BT antenna) and the aux button was dislodged. |
| 11:53.24 | ScaredyCat | try chooseopen |
| 11:53.42 | ScaredyCat | xzcvczx: |
| 11:53.43 | xzcvczx | ScaredyCat: they only have moko10 on there |
| 11:53.55 | xzcvczx | and i have a moko11 kernel |
| 11:54.03 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
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| 12:01.37 | SpeedEvil | cat tmp.nmea|ssh foo.com 'cat >/tmp/nmea' |
| 12:01.52 | xkr47 | :) |
| 12:01.59 | SpeedEvil | gpsd on that, then all the usual stuff just worked. |
| 12:02.18 | xkr47 | is tmp.nmea a socket or pipe or something ? |
| 12:02.22 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:02.24 | SpeedEvil | it's a pipe |
| 12:02.29 | xkr47 | in both ends ? |
| 12:02.38 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 12:02.41 | xkr47 | cool |
| 12:03.03 | xkr47 | linux is ridiculously easy sometimes :) |
| 12:03.41 | SpeedEvil | Of course - dealing with errors cleanly - losing GPRS connection - and it gets a bit more complex. |
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| 12:04.59 | mmazur | http://buildhost.openmoko.org is dead |
| 12:05.03 | mmazur | Where can I get dfu-util from? |
| 12:05.18 | thomasg_ | xzcvczx, you hilighted me at about 8.00 am? |
| 12:06.04 | SpeedEvil | mmazur: linux x-86 binary work? |
| 12:06.46 | mmazur | SpeedEvil, yeah |
| 12:08.50 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/dfu.tar.gz |
| 12:09.02 | SpeedEvil | source and binary |
| 12:09.41 | SpeedEvil | cf1d20a0460a2e44f7a25c2b70f33981 dfu.tar.gz |
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| 12:11.54 | mmazur | What's the gold thing on the side of neo? Looks like a antenna port or sth. |
| 12:12.15 | mjr | I've assumed that's what it is |
| 12:12.21 | xzcvczx | thomasg_: never mind i just worked out what problem was...... thanks anyway though |
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| 12:12.53 | thomasg_ | there's a song from a german band, called "thanks for nothing" :) |
| 12:12.59 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 12:13.46 | mmazur | SpeedEvil, got it, thx |
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| 12:21.20 | SpeedEvil | mmazur: GPS |
| 12:21.29 | mmazur | gps what? |
| 12:21.30 | SpeedEvil | mmazur: the GSM port is under the back cover. |
| 12:21.35 | mmazur | Ah. |
| 12:21.35 | SpeedEvil | antenna |
| 12:21.44 | mmazur | I can connect an external antenna for the gps? |
| 12:21.44 | mmazur | kewl |
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| 12:26.05 | mmazur | <usb.h> |
| 12:26.09 | mmazur | Where's that supposed to be from? |
| 12:26.14 | _alcik_ | hi all.... |
| 12:26.26 | _alcik_ | I have just received my neo :-DDDDDDD |
| 12:26.37 | mmazur | _alcik_, and payed how much toll? |
| 12:27.03 | _alcik_ | unfortunatelly have no time at the moment to play with.... |
| 12:27.25 | _alcik_ | mmazur $300 * ~$68 + 195PLN |
| 12:27.38 | _alcik_ | some work to do (damn).. |
| 12:27.49 | mmazur | alex-weej, yeah :( |
| 12:27.51 | mmazur | Blah. |
| 12:27.53 | mmazur | Damn toll. |
| 12:27.55 | xzcvczx | grrrr i hate rented dvds |
| 12:27.59 | alex-weej | // |
| 12:28.12 | mmazur | alex-weej, not you. |
| 12:28.17 | _alcik_ | but I thought I'll charge the neo while Im working... |
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| 12:28.42 | _alcik_ | DO I understeand it right it must be ON to charge battery? |
| 12:28.56 | xzcvczx | _alcik_: not that i know of |
| 12:29.11 | SpeedEvil | _alcik_: not quite. |
| 12:29.45 | SpeedEvil | It's got to be on at some point to configure high-rate |
| 12:29.45 | _alcik_ | at what point? |
| 12:29.53 | SpeedEvil | Basically. |
| 12:30.00 | SpeedEvil | The charger has several modes. |
| 12:30.06 | SpeedEvil | (well, eleventy-million really) |
| 12:30.20 | _alcik_ | yeah 100mA i 500mA right? |
| 12:30.26 | SpeedEvil | Some will charge fast - if presented with 5V, this is 'autofast' mode. |
| 12:30.29 | Linux_Galore | have to do a openmoko will it blend bit |
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| 12:30.55 | Linux_Galore | get a stuffed OM and blend it |
| 12:31.06 | SpeedEvil | There have been questions raised as to if linux disables this setting however. |
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| 12:31.54 | SpeedEvil | It will always - unless the battery is faulty - after some minutes/seconds start charging the battery at low rate. |
| 12:32.42 | SpeedEvil | faulty/overtemp |
| 12:35.10 | _alcik_ | SE I have a bl-5c nokia phone, but I think someone has wrote that it wont charge neos battery... |
| 12:35.24 | SpeedEvil | Cheapest BLC-5 chargers will |
| 12:35.33 | SpeedEvil | Non Nokia |
| 12:35.50 | SpeedEvil | Neo will run from a charged nokia bat |
| 12:35.54 | _alcik_ | its a pitty... |
| 12:36.27 | SpeedEvil | Anyone know where I pickup headset click events? |
| 12:36.47 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[Supported_microSD_cards]] [[Main_Page]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] |
| 12:36.59 | SpeedEvil | not in /dev/input |
| 12:38.35 | _alcik_ | SE when I flash my neo (it is still in kernel panic mode;) will it start to charge on 500mA mode? |
| 12:38.48 | SpeedEvil | Kernel panic mode? |
| 12:39.01 | SpeedEvil | Have you ever set 'autofast' mode? |
| 12:39.17 | _alcik_ | U know, I just take it out of the box... |
| 12:39.24 | SpeedEvil | K. |
| 12:39.28 | SpeedEvil | Then no. |
| 12:39.41 | SpeedEvil | Turn it on. |
| 12:40.01 | SpeedEvil | then 5s or so later - if you have the cdc_acm module loaded on your USB host |
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| 12:40.38 | SpeedEvil | connect with your favourite terminal program to /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 12:40.48 | SpeedEvil | and say 'neo1973 charger autofast' |
| 12:40.53 | SpeedEvil | or something similar. |
| 12:40.56 | SpeedEvil | it's on the wiki. |
| 12:41.14 | mmazur | Hmmm. |
| 12:41.28 | _alcik_ | ok... Im looking right now... big thanks |
| 12:42.05 | SpeedEvil | I think it's getting started with your new neo1973 - on the neo1973 page |
| 12:42.13 | mmazur | [mmazur@klapek src]$ ./dfu-util |
| 12:42.14 | mmazur | Naruszenie ochrony pamiêci |
| 12:42.14 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2645 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 12:42.14 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-06 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 12:42.14 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 12:42.14 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: |
| 12:42.14 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/dialer-main.c: (main): |
| 12:42.16 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-contacts.c: (moko_contacts_lookup): |
| 12:42.16 | mmazur | Yeah, a coredump. |
| 12:42.18 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (moko_dialer_rejected), |
| 12:42.54 | cayco | mmazur: maybe libusb problem? |
| 12:43.06 | mmazur | Probably. |
| 12:43.18 | mmazur | Wonder which version it expects. |
| 12:43.37 | cayco | why cant you compile it yourself? |
| 12:43.50 | mmazur | I did. |
| 12:43.56 | mmazur | That's my compilation that segfaults. |
| 12:44.19 | cayco | oh ;) |
| 12:44.31 | cayco | mmazur: run as root? |
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| 12:47.05 | mmazur | Ah. It doesn't like to be compiled dynamically. |
| 12:47.34 | mmazur | My fault. |
| 12:47.37 | mmazur | Let's flash! |
| 12:47.37 | cayco | hmm, i compiled it dynamicly on mac |
| 12:49.21 | hrw | 14:48 hrw@home:~$ file devel/openmoko/build/tmp/deploy/images/dfu-util |
| 12:49.21 | hrw | devel/openmoko/build/tmp/deploy/images/dfu-util: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.1, statically linked, not stripped |
| 12:49.29 | mmazur | Yeah, my fault, my fault. |
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| 12:54.30 | SpeedEvil | This is annoying. I get input events for headset insertion, but not for headet button press. |
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| 12:57.38 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2646 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-contacts.c): |
| 12:57.38 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-06 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 12:57.38 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-contacts.c: (moko_contacts_lookup): |
| 12:57.38 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Check entry is valid before performing operations on it. |
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| 12:59.56 | barmeier | hi |
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| 13:07.49 | mmazur | Fuck!!!!!! |
| 13:07.58 | mmazur | I've just misscalibrated my touchthing. |
| 13:07.59 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 13:07.59 | LarstiQ | mmazur: hmm? |
| 13:08.03 | mmazur | Wtf do I do now? |
| 13:08.12 | SpeedEvil | return your neo for recal. |
| 13:08.13 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 13:08.15 | SpeedEvil | Or ssh in |
| 13:08.23 | SpeedEvil | and run Xsomething |
| 13:08.35 | mmazur | I can ssh by default? |
| 13:08.37 | SpeedEvil | ts_calibrate |
| 13:08.39 | cayco | mmazur: or re-flash it |
| 13:08.49 | mmazur | cayco, that's the slow version :) |
| 13:08.54 | cayco | :) |
| 13:09.03 | SpeedEvil | find the 'getting started' page on the wiki |
| 13:09.14 | SpeedEvil | or search on cdc_ether |
| 13:09.18 | SpeedEvil | basically on host |
| 13:09.23 | SpeedEvil | modprobe cdc_ether |
| 13:09.25 | SpeedEvil | plug in neo |
| 13:09.34 | SpeedEvil | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 |
| 13:09.41 | SpeedEvil | ssh 192.168.0.202 |
| 13:10.14 | thomasg_ | take the neo, throw it against the wall and write a unkind e-mail to the list, mmazur :) |
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| 13:10.28 | mmazur | Yeah. Works. |
| 13:10.49 | mickeyl | http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/pointercal/files/fic-gta01/pointercal |
| 13:10.59 | mickeyl | should contain constants that work on your device |
| 13:11.00 | SpeedEvil | xtscal rather |
| 13:11.20 | SpeedEvil | export DISPLAY=:0 first |
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| 13:12.06 | SpeedEvil | Anyone: hexdump -C /dev/input/event0 |
| 13:12.19 | SpeedEvil | The headset being plugged/unplugged delivers an event. |
| 13:12.25 | SpeedEvil | As does the top button. |
| 13:12.35 | SpeedEvil | However, the hold button on the headset does not work for me. |
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| 13:12.45 | SpeedEvil | Does it for anyone? |
| 13:12.59 | _alcik_ | am I wrong or the buildhost.openmoko.org is empty? |
| 13:13.12 | SpeedEvil | Anyone with hardware rather. |
| 13:15.56 | thomasg_ | _alcik_, buildhost was down the last day, maybe a server crash? |
| 13:16.30 | thomasg_ | there are only old snapshots from april now - looks like a old backup |
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| 13:20.26 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: have you tried xev just in case it uses a funny way to get the signal through |
| 13:20.33 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 13:21.41 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: dont expect me to be right tho |
| 13:22.11 | SpeedEvil | the top button does deliver events. |
| 13:22.20 | SpeedEvil | but not plugin/plugout, hold button. |
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| 13:23.38 | SpeedEvil | and off seems to kill the top X window |
| 13:24.19 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: plugin/out i guess is nothing to do with x really anyway |
| 13:24.25 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 13:24.27 | SpeedEvil | but hold is. |
| 13:24.38 | xzcvczx | yeah |
| 13:25.02 | cayco | anyone has gllin binary? |
| 13:25.11 | xzcvczx | cayco gimme a min |
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| 13:26.55 | xzcvczx | cayco: https://swel024.ath.cx/~swel024/gps.tar |
| 13:27.06 | xzcvczx | cayco: tell me when you have it as i will remove it |
| 13:27.22 | cayco | ok, thx, wgeting ;) |
| 13:28.07 | xzcvczx | be aware it will be slow |
| 13:28.11 | xzcvczx | ~ 2mins |
| 13:29.26 | daxxar | xzcvczx: Why no gzip/bzip? |
| 13:30.01 | daxxar | xzcvczx: Mind if I fetch it too? :-) |
| 13:30.04 | xzcvczx | daxxar: cos i am too lazy :P |
| 13:30.09 | xzcvczx | daxxar: go |
| 13:30.13 | daxxar | Thanks. |
| 13:30.21 | daxxar | ~6min ETA |
| 13:30.26 | daxxar | I'll let you know when it's done |
| 13:30.31 | xzcvczx | cool |
| 13:30.53 | xzcvczx | :P |
| 13:30.54 | daxxar | ^_^ |
| 13:31.11 | daxxar | I promise I'd ^C-ed it if it was an issue for you ;P |
| 13:31.13 | cayco | guys, let me download this and share on rapidshare or smth |
| 13:31.34 | daxxar | I can put it on a quick host. |
| 13:31.46 | daxxar | Without ads and such. |
| 13:32.31 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2647 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-contacts.c): |
| 13:32.31 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-06 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 13:32.31 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-contacts.c: |
| 13:32.31 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Fix typo. |
| 13:32.49 | daxxar | Huhu |
| 13:32.57 | mmazur | Hmm, terminal emulator broken. Del doesn't work. |
| 13:32.59 | xzcvczx | :P |
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| 13:33.31 | daxxar | (is that the right word?) |
| 13:33.32 | xzcvczx | i think we should petition for tab and up and ctrl to be added to the moko keyboard..... terminal is fpita without those |
| 13:33.42 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 13:34.02 | xzcvczx | daxxar: well its a good way to show people overseas what the state of nz's internet is |
| 13:34.04 | SpeedEvil | xvkbd I like for the keyboard. |
| 13:34.34 | daxxar | xzcvczx: ugh, what's your upstream? |
| 13:34.41 | xzcvczx | daxxar: 128k |
| 13:34.51 | xzcvczx | and part of the problem is someone else is downloading it as well |
| 13:35.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 687 has been created by koen(AT)openembedded.org |
| 13:35.01 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-dialer2 hardcodes gta01 hardware assumptions |
| 13:35.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=687 |
| 13:35.16 | daxxar | Almost done ;) |
| 13:35.35 | daxxar | Whoof, and I thought my ~1mbit upstream wasbad. :/ |
| 13:35.41 | cayco | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.53 | daxxar | 3.94K/s |
| 13:36.00 | daxxar | I'm eating your bandwidth, foo! |
| 13:36.06 | daxxar | What's wrong with the french? |
| 13:36.07 | xzcvczx | some friggin frenchie is on it |
| 13:36.11 | daxxar | Ah./ |
| 13:36.19 | xzcvczx | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.27 | daxxar | He'll wave his white flag soon enough. |
| 13:36.29 | daxxar | Hurr hurr. |
| 13:37.09 | BryceLeo|Work | xzcvczx just use matchbox-keyboard |
| 13:37.17 | daxxar | What's minicom.cap, xzcvczx? |
| 13:37.22 | xzcvczx | daxxar, cayco tell me when you have it and he will be rather disappointed when i kill https |
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| 13:37.30 | daxxar | I'm done |
| 13:37.35 | BryceLeo|Work | xcvczx you're from america arent ya? |
| 13:37.41 | *** join/#openmoko raster (n=raster@p2141-ipbf2304marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) |
| 13:37.53 | xzcvczx | BryceLeo|Work: no, what made you think that |
| 13:38.08 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2648 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c src/moko-notify.c): |
| 13:38.08 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-06 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 13:38.08 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_call_progress_changed): |
| 13:38.08 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (moko_notify_start), (moko_notify_stop), |
| 13:38.08 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (moko_notify_init): |
| 13:38.08 | cayco | xzcvczx: ok |
| 13:38.10 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Added state support for notify object. |
| 13:38.16 | daxxar | Oh, minicom.cap is done |
| 13:38.18 | xzcvczx | dammit stop downloading it |
| 13:38.20 | raster | bing |
| 13:38.21 | daxxar | s/done/empty/ |
| 13:38.27 | BryceLeo|Work | xzcvczx: your french thing |
| 13:38.30 | cayco | xzcvczx: i'll tel you when i'm done |
| 13:38.36 | xzcvczx | cayco: cool |
| 13:38.46 | cayco | xzcvczx: |
| 13:38.46 | cayco | 60% |
| 13:38.56 | xzcvczx | cayco: i am talking to all the people who are reading this and still downloading it anyway |
| 13:39.06 | cayco | roger |
| 13:39.11 | daxxar | Less than half size, more than 800x your bandwidth: http://daxxar.slask.no/files/gps.tar.bz2 |
| 13:39.30 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: Naughty! :) |
| 13:39.37 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: naughty? |
| 13:39.43 | raster | nortie |
| 13:39.44 | daxxar | s/more than// |
| 13:39.45 | SpeedEvil | It's copyrighted software. |
| 13:40.03 | xzcvczx | pd95fd7d1.dip.t-dialin.net: yes that means you |
| 13:40.05 | daxxar | Oh, hum. I thought the terms of distribution were unclear? I'll remove it on-demand. |
| 13:40.34 | daxxar | (daxxar __AT__ daxxar.com if anyone wants to email me about it) |
| 13:40.38 | SpeedEvil | No, terms to distribute to users haven't been agreed between GL and FIC |
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| 13:40.54 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: meh ok the only person to be done in nz for copyright was some guy who was selling movies at the market |
| 13:41.08 | xzcvczx | and the guy who stole siones wedding from the studio |
| 13:41.32 | xzcvczx | cayco: you done yet |
| 13:41.46 | xzcvczx | cayco: your probably better to get it somewhere else i have just become rather popular |
| 13:41.48 | daxxar | hm, 8 hits already. :-o |
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| 13:41.48 | cayco | yes, thannk you |
| 13:42.13 | daxxar | Anyway, back to studying. |
| 13:42.15 | xzcvczx | those people just got a short drop and a sudden stop |
| 13:42.30 | xzcvczx | hmmm i should replace it with a file that just says sorry this is copyright software |
| 13:43.08 | mmazur | Anyone got a kernel image with -moko11? |
| 13:43.55 | xzcvczx | mmazur: i do |
| 13:43.58 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: sometime soon |
| 13:44.06 | xzcvczx | mmazur: but you need the rootfs to be 11 not 10 as well |
| 13:44.19 | mmazur | I have rootfs 11 and kernel 10. |
| 13:44.25 | cayco | i put it on http://media.cayco.pl/gps.tar |
| 13:44.26 | mmazur | And wonder why half of the stuff doesn't work. |
| 13:44.40 | daxxar | cayco: bzip2-ing it more than halves the size, fyi. |
| 13:45.02 | cayco | daxxar: my bandwith is sufficient ;)) |
| 13:45.17 | mmazur | xzcvczx, could you upload it somewhere? |
| 13:45.20 | daxxar | So is mine, but you can care about people with lousy downstream. ;-P |
| 13:45.35 | daxxar | Anyway, no biggie, just mentioning it. |
| 13:46.11 | xzcvczx | mmazur -> pm i dont trust these people |
| 13:46.32 | mmazur | xzcvczx, ? |
| 13:47.01 | Stephmw | rwhitby: agreed |
| 13:47.06 | daxxar | Meep. |
| 13:47.11 | daxxar | Okaydokay, I'll remove my file. |
| 13:47.14 | BryceLeo|Work | rwhitby: doubtly agreed |
| 13:47.23 | BryceLeo|Work | iot |
| 13:47.24 | xzcvczx | yeah i have removed my file |
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| 13:48.29 | mmazur | Again -- could someone upload moko11 kernel or do I have to downgrade my userspace? |
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| 13:49.26 | cayco | mine's removed too |
| 13:49.45 | xzcvczx | mmazur: did you get my pm? |
| 13:50.08 | xzcvczx | k cool |
| 13:53.00 | xzcvczx | rwhitby: i think that they would prefer to get something out of the software than just have it being thrown around freely though |
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| 13:53.51 | abraxa_ | xzcvczx: Personally I would think it's their fault (and loss) to not provide freely available software for their own devices |
| 13:54.04 | rwhitby | xzcvczx: in cases of companies protecting their IP, you can never guess what they would want, cause it's always a lawyer driving the actions, not a rational engineer :-) |
| 13:54.16 | abraxa_ | I mean... I'm surely not going to purchase anything with their chips in them anymore |
| 13:55.24 | xzcvczx | rwhitby: lol thats true |
| 13:55.35 | BryceLeo|Work | abraxa so no gta02 for you? |
| 13:55.57 | rwhitby | abraxa_ will get one for free |
| 13:56.15 | ewon | I love when you get on a fast torrent |
| 13:56.59 | xzcvczx | mmazur: where did you get your rootfs image from? |
| 13:57.06 | SpeedEvil | What does powersaving - turning off the backlight and stuff? |
| 13:57.10 | mdt | some mokomakefile guru here? if i use bitbake through mokomakefile it build in ./build/tmp, if i use bitbake directly it does not have the prefix ./build and builds in ./tmp directly... why? |
| 13:57.22 | BryceLeo|Work | rwhitby ahh |
| 13:57.26 | mmazur | xzcvczx, http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/ |
| 13:57.32 | mintee | any word from william lai on shipping of the second set? |
| 13:57.51 | rwhitby | mdt: did you source setup-env? |
| 13:57.58 | mdt | rwhitby, shure |
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| 13:58.12 | raster | grrrr |
| 13:58.13 | raster | catch 22's |
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| 13:58.28 | raster | mtn 0.31 is too old for OE.mtn.bz2 |
| 13:58.37 | thomasg_ | I can confirm this |
| 13:58.40 | raster | but 0.36 wont build because its test suite wont work as root |
| 13:58.41 | rwhitby | mdt: did you source it from inside the build directory, like the instructions say? |
| 13:58.43 | thomasg_ | I updated to 0.35 yesterday |
| 13:58.53 | raster | but the debian package info wotn build withing being run as root (or fakeroot) |
| 13:59.04 | xzcvczx | mmazur: you sure its 11 then? |
| 13:59.07 | raster | hoo-ray! |
| 13:59.15 | thomasg_ | raster, you could try a db migration |
| 13:59.17 | thomasg_ | mtn --db=OE.mtn db migrate |
| 13:59.19 | mdt | rwhitby, does it? oups... no i didnt |
| 13:59.20 | raster | now i need to hack up the package info. |
| 13:59.27 | raster | thomasg_: doesnt work |
| 13:59.32 | thomasg_ | hm, k |
| 13:59.36 | raster | the OE mtn is unknown to 0.31 |
| 13:59.36 | xzcvczx | does anyone know where i can get a nano ipkg |
| 13:59.39 | thomasg_ | switching to 0.35 works for me |
| 13:59.40 | rwhitby | raster: http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.31.mtn.bz2 |
| 13:59.43 | raster | its seemingly produced by a newer mtn |
| 13:59.52 | raster | rwhitby: hooray! |
| 13:59.53 | raster | :) |
| 14:00.06 | *** part/#openmoko barmeier (n=barmeier@p57BB26E3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:00.23 | SpeedEvil | ...ipkg....gpsd/xgps |
| 14:00.24 | thomasg_ | raster, do you use the efl and e-wm from openembedded (e-wm is 0.16.999.037, so a bit old), or do you use own builds? |
| 14:00.24 | rwhitby | there's a veritable smorgasbord in http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/ |
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| 14:00.41 | xzcvczx | SpeedEvil: ??? |
| 14:01.15 | SpeedEvil | I'm wondering if anyone has a gpsd, and its included binaries - xgps ipkg |
| 14:01.50 | *** part/#openmoko _alcik_ (n=kahuna@chello089078040207.chello.pl) |
| 14:01.54 | mdt | rwhitby, no, it does not. it does so in a special case but the norma says to source first and then cd to ./build |
| 14:02.39 | rwhitby | mdt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile under "Tips" |
| 14:03.06 | rwhitby | ah, someone has added incorrect instructions further down |
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| 14:03.45 | mdt | rwhitby, hm, under tips is what i interpreted as special case |
| 14:04.10 | rwhitby | mdt: where were you seeing the instructions to source setup-env from the top-level ? |
| 14:04.13 | buz | so no more gta01 until october? what does that mean wrt to gta02? |
| 14:04.22 | SpeedEvil | I suspect little. |
| 14:04.30 | SpeedEvil | No way GTA02 is going to ship oct |
| 14:04.34 | SpeedEvil | IMO |
| 14:04.34 | raster | thomasg_: i was goign to make my own builds |
| 14:04.44 | mdt | rwhitby, a bit down, behind 'this is what you have to do (example: openmoko-messages):" |
| 14:04.45 | raster | thomasg_: but i updated with moko makefile |
| 14:04.45 | thomasg_ | raster, tell me if you have results :) |
| 14:04.55 | raster | and then some things didnt build anymore |
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| 14:05.05 | mdt | rwhitby, it says `cd $OMDIR;. ./setup-env;cd build` |
| 14:05.08 | thomasg_ | ah, k. I'm using org.oe.dev w/o oe overlay |
| 14:05.10 | raster | so i decided to wipe ans start cleanly without mokomakefile from the "official" build |
| 14:05.14 | raster | and ended up in a catch 22 |
| 14:05.22 | rwhitby | mdt: yeah, I just fixed that - someone else put the wrong instructions there |
| 14:05.39 | Vegar | buz: where did you read that? |
| 14:05.44 | BryceLeo|Work | speedevil: my bet is shipping in jan feb |
| 14:05.48 | buz | planet openmoko |
| 14:05.53 | Vegar | ok |
| 14:05.54 | mdt | rwhitby, so from where do i start make? from inside ./build? |
| 14:05.59 | buz | http://jouston.no-ip.com/archives/000229.html |
| 14:05.59 | thomasg_ | raster, ok, I had the same decision :) |
| 14:06.33 | rwhitby | mdt: follow the instructions that are on that page now (hit refresh first) |
| 14:06.42 | *** part/#openmoko SiO2 (n=sarge@p54B3A492.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:07.16 | rwhitby | raster: is mokomakefile diverging from the "official" build in some way for you? It's intended to precisely replicate the official build. |
| 14:07.18 | mdt | rwhitby, thnx |
| 14:07.25 | jgm | SpeedEvil: you think that GTA02 isn't going to ship October? I'm wondering if they'll ship GTA02 prior to a 'mass-market' version of OpenMoko, in which case perhaps it will come out a bit earlier |
| 14:07.37 | raster | rwhitby: dunno |
| 14:07.41 | cjb | jgm: or the mass-market will come later :) |
| 14:07.51 | raster | rwhitby: all i know is that i ended up with a tree tyhat was b0rked |
| 14:07.57 | raster | and then i really needed sleep |
| 14:08.15 | rwhitby | raster: did you start with mokomakefile, or start with something else? |
| 14:08.17 | raster | and had things like a job to go attend to for paying for my bread and water |
| 14:08.17 | raster | :) |
| 14:08.23 | raster | i started with it |
| 14:09.05 | rwhitby | ok, if you see it bork something (and the borking is not just another OE package breakage), be sure to let me know so I can fix it. |
| 14:09.12 | thomasg_ | rwhitby, currently mokomakefile uses the oe-overlay from openmoko, so the old openmoko2007. when will you switch to blank org.oe.dev without overlay (and 2007.2)? |
| 14:09.44 | rwhitby | thomasg_: I am coordinating with mickeyl on that front. |
| 14:09.59 | thomasg_ | ok, let me know when you have news |
| 14:10.04 | rwhitby | his estimate was about a week from now |
| 14:10.15 | rwhitby | (perhaps aloril needs a new counter ... ;-) |
| 14:10.19 | raster | rwhitby: will do |
| 14:10.42 | mdt | rwhitby, so setup-env is needed for using bitbake directly only? |
| 14:10.43 | raster | rwhitby: just short on much time to sink into it - so i tend to abort easily sniffing around for something with less pain - eg scratchbox |
| 14:10.45 | raster | :) |
| 14:10.46 | rwhitby | thomasg_: for OM2007.2 builds, you can use the nslu2-linux Master Makefile and just "make openmoko" :-) |
| 14:10.56 | rwhitby | raster: no problem. |
| 14:11.04 | rwhitby | mdt: yes |
| 14:11.53 | raster | still snarfing a .31 compatible OE.mtn.bz |
| 14:12.04 | thomasg_ | rwhitby, at moment I try to get my own environment running, hope it will work (bitbake openmoko-devel-image is running at moment). otherwise I will use the nslu2 makefile |
| 14:12.22 | khaije|bb | forgive the question but is moko in qemu as simple as loading an image or does qemu itself need to be patched? |
| 14:13.02 | rwhitby | thomasg_: if you're able to get your own OE environment going, then there's not much benefit from the makefile in that specific case. |
| 14:13.07 | raynet | finally |
| 14:13.23 | mdt | raynet, so what's /your/ first impression? |
| 14:13.33 | raynet | mdt: it is smaller than i expected |
| 14:13.35 | aloril2 | anybody scratched Neo1973 screen yet? |
| 14:13.54 | mdt | raynet, smaller? really? wow... for me it was opposite |
| 14:14.13 | raynet | mdt: i was thinking of something in PDA size but it is much smaller than that |
| 14:14.30 | raynet | just perfect for my hand |
| 14:14.35 | rwhitby | aloril2: I've badly scratched the case around the screen when I dropped it on the pavement, but luckily the screen was untouched. |
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| 14:15.03 | mdt | raynet, i think its smartphone size, i more thouht of a small gadget. its the size of a se910i or similar... |
| 14:15.08 | xzcvczx | how do you start the matchbox keyboard? |
| 14:15.28 | mdt | has someone got a bluetooth keyboard working with it? |
| 14:16.00 | daxxar | mdt: mjr has, AFAIK |
| 14:16.24 | BryceLeo|Work | xzcvczx start it from the terminal or add a panel launcher |
| 14:16.31 | daxxar | mdt: Read his "first impressions"/"second impressions" etc on the ml, he mentioned the bt kb there |
| 14:16.56 | daxxar | mdt: The one with subject "Second impressions, incl. BT keyboard" to device-owners. |
| 14:17.07 | xzcvczx | BryceLeo|Work: yeah i didnt realise that the command was so simple |
| 14:17.42 | daxxar | (I've since bought the same kb as his, waiting for my neo (expected tomorrow)) |
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| 14:18.35 | BryceLeo|Work | xzcvczx: no worries it happens |
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| 14:18.56 | SpeedEvil | Good luck daxxar ! |
| 14:19.00 | BryceLeo|Work | daxx where did you buy that kb? |
| 14:19.14 | daxxar | BryceLeo|Work: Norwegian webshop. :-) |
| 14:19.22 | daxxar | SpeedEvil: Thanks. :-) |
| 14:19.30 | SpeedEvil | is that the little credit-card sized one? |
| 14:19.32 | daxxar | Yep |
| 14:19.37 | SpeedEvil | opinion? |
| 14:19.44 | xzcvczx | daxxar: got a link to a pic |
| 14:20.01 | daxxar | I've tested it a bit with my current phone, but I'm not impressed. That's most likely due to the kb-support in WM5 Smartphone ed. |
| 14:20.09 | daxxar | xzcvczx: Hum |
| 14:20.30 | xzcvczx | or just who makes it or something and i can google it |
| 14:20.34 | daxxar | http://www.nokiaphoneblog.com/images/freedom_mini3.jpg |
| 14:20.38 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar how much was it? |
| 14:21.04 | noiddd | Well, I bounced my phone onto conrete - hard |
| 14:21.18 | daxxar | And it's about a cm longer than a credit-card |
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| 14:21.47 | SpeedEvil | noiddd: Can you put it on the wiki - under Neo1973 Drop Test? |
| 14:21.52 | SpeedEvil | And I hope it's OK. |
| 14:21.52 | noiddd | Sure |
| 14:21.59 | noiddd | yeah - not even a scratch |
| 14:22.07 | noiddd | the back came off and the barrery came out |
| 14:22.10 | SpeedEvil | height, speed, surface |
| 14:22.13 | noiddd | but no scratches or anything |
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| 14:22.41 | daxxar | I payed $63 inc. VAT ex. shipping, BryceLeo|Work |
| 14:22.59 | daxxar | (including batteries too, and a small pouch/case) |
| 14:23.17 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar wow that's a good price |
| 14:23.19 | abraxa_ | Personally I'd be more interested in this BT keyboard: http://www.trustedreviews.com/images/article/inline/4070-bluetoothkeyboard.jpg |
| 14:23.28 | abraxa_ | Anyone got it by chance? |
| 14:23.37 | daxxar | abraxa_: Got a better pic? |
| 14:23.52 | daxxar | BryceLeo|Work: 'tis OK, let's just hope it holds up. ;-) |
| 14:24.02 | noiddd | SpeedEvil: do you have a page name for the droptest page, the wiki search is not being helpful |
| 14:24.23 | SpeedEvil | noiddd: I was meaning create a page. |
| 14:24.25 | SpeedEvil | I'll make one |
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| 14:24.57 | abraxa_ | daxxar: http://www.freedominput.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=30 appears to be the manufacturer |
| 14:25.08 | thomasg_ | hm, my openembedded environment fails at bitbake and glibc-intermediate-2.6-r0. should I do a update or could anything else be the problem? |
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| 14:25.39 | daxxar | abraxa_: Yes |
| 14:25.52 | daxxar | abraxa_: Oh, sorry. I thought you were talking about the one mjr has. :-) |
| 14:25.57 | daxxar | abraxa_: Cool, same manufacturer. ;-) |
| 14:26.03 | abraxa_ | haha nice |
| 14:26.09 | borg_ | 16:10 < rwhitby> thomasg_: for OM2007.2 builds, you can use the nslu2-linux Master Makefile and just "make openmoko" :-) |
| 14:26.17 | thomasg_ | hehe |
| 14:26.18 | borg_ | what mtn version do i need here? |
| 14:26.37 | borg_ | with mtn 0.35 i have to migrate the file |
| 14:26.37 | thomasg_ | I use monotone 0.35 |
| 14:26.43 | borg_ | and this takes years |
| 14:26.48 | borg_ | mh |
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| 14:27.00 | daxxar | abraxa_: Though it seems that one is SPP - which AFAIK means it has issues with multiple simultaneous keypresses. |
| 14:27.01 | borg_ | thomasg_: you use the nslu2 makefile? |
| 14:27.08 | hrw | borg_: then fetch snapshot for 0.35 monotone |
| 14:27.15 | thomasg_ | no, I'm building directly from org.oe.dev, what should be similar |
| 14:27.29 | abraxa_ | daxxar: What's the alternative to SPP? |
| 14:27.50 | borg_ | hrw: so there is no difference in the nslu2-linux.mtn? |
| 14:27.56 | raster | rwhitby: and what are you still doing up? isn't it well past pumpkin time for you? |
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| 14:28.35 | hrw | borg_: nslu2-linux project syncs with OE |
| 14:28.47 | daxxar | abraxa_: HID Profile, afaik |
| 14:28.52 | borg_ | ah ok |
| 14:28.55 | borg_ | so i can trick him ;) |
| 14:28.56 | borg_ | thx |
| 14:29.24 | abraxa_ | daxxar: Ahh, thanks |
| 14:30.00 | raster | mdt: as best i know no one is cramming 480x640 lcd's down at that size |
| 14:30.16 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Robustness |
| 14:30.50 | raster | hahaha |
| 14:31.09 | thomasg_ | lol |
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| 14:31.41 | thomasg_ | SpeedEvil, I never would give my neo to you :P |
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| 14:31.58 | SpeedEvil | Why not? |
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| 14:32.34 | thomasg_ | I fear you would test 2m |
| 14:32.43 | fgau | SpeedEvil: ;) |
| 14:32.52 | borg_ | downloading http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE-this-is-for-mtn-0.35.mtn.bz2 and renaming it to nslu2-linux.mtn seems to work |
| 14:32.55 | borg_ | nice :) |
| 14:33.00 | SpeedEvil | This is solely incidental drops |
| 14:33.15 | BryceLeo|Work | lol so no "does it blend" tests |
| 14:33.21 | daxxar | haha |
| 14:33.30 | daxxar | They have to do a 'does it blend'-test for the Neo :P |
| 14:33.39 | daxxar | See if it lasts any longer than the iPhone ;P |
| 14:33.42 | zedstar | my neo didnt boot this morning i think probably a drained battery...how long should i wait plugged in via usb before trying to boot it u think? i read 4 hours i think on the wiki? |
| 14:33.43 | borg_ | :D |
| 14:34.15 | daxxar | "Horizontal velocity", how're one supposed to measure that? |
| 14:34.26 | thomasg_ | any ideas? http://phpfi.com/254669 (bitbake fails at glibc-intermediate) |
| 14:34.32 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar angular measure 9.8m/s^2 |
| 14:35.17 | daxxar | BryceLeo|Work: What if there's an unknown vertical component too? |
| 14:35.23 | daxxar | ;-) |
| 14:35.57 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: it should boot in 30 min or under. |
| 14:36.10 | BryceLeo|Work | daxxar lol if you added downard positive vercial velocity then... well.. guess? |
| 14:36.34 | zedstar | speedevil thanx....gonna give a try i thought 4 hours was a bit much! |
| 14:36.54 | CM | rwhitby: I added you: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Robustness |
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| 14:37.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 688 has been created by <autobuild-report> |
| 14:37.02 | cdbot2 | * * uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-r12_ec06b2731b0a8303f546901635a6e8da0ea97613_0_2632-do_quilt |
| 14:37.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=688 |
| 14:37.10 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2649 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:37.10 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-06 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 14:37.11 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * data/Makefile.am: |
| 14:37.11 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Added a default ringtone (until sound themes are finished). |
| 14:37.11 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (on_filesrc_eos), |
| 14:37.11 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (moko_notify_start_ringtone), (moko_notify_stop_ringtone), |
| 14:37.15 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (moko_notify_start), (moko_notify_stop): |
| 14:37.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Robustness]] [[Neo1973_Hardware]] [[P1_Owners]] [[MokoMakefile]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Frankfurt_Main]] [[OSvS]] [[Wish_List]] [[User_talk:Secureoffice]] [[User:Kensan]] [[User_talk:Kensan]] and other changes |
| 14:37.41 | mmazur | Ok, I want my money back, the phone is next to useless :) |
| 14:37.53 | zedstar | kewl...its back alive....not sure why it drained...is the only way to turn off properly holding down power? i think i did quick power button press then selected shutdown last time |
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| 14:38.40 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: unsure. |
| 14:39.11 | daxxar | mmazur: Are you suprised? o. |
| 14:39.12 | daxxar | o.0 |
| 14:39.40 | raynet | mmazur: not true, i've already managed to impress 3 persons and my Neo wasnt even on :) |
| 14:39.45 | raynet | my mom wants one |
| 14:39.53 | raynet | she said it is cute |
| 14:39.55 | mmazur | I was unable to figure out what the interface actually does. |
| 14:40.07 | cayco | mmazur: you can also use the phone as time killer getting things to work ;) |
| 14:40.08 | mmazur | I'm a damn geek and got confused. |
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| 14:40.29 | Vegar | mmazur: you were warned.. |
| 14:40.44 | mmazur | Ah, if only I had time to play with it :( |
| 14:40.49 | mmazur | Commit stuff, send back patches. |
| 14:40.56 | mmazur | *sniff* |
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| 14:41.17 | daxxar | mmazur: Anyway, I hear they're reworking the UI a bit in 2007.2 |
| 14:41.18 | cayco | mmazur :- sell it to someone who realy needs it ;) |
| 14:41.31 | daxxar | mmazur: Which is supposedly will be released shortly. |
| 14:41.32 | abraxa_ | CM: I think damage: none is a bit an understatement - he did say that it scratch his case pretty badly :) |
| 14:41.43 | abraxa_ | scratched* |
| 14:42.45 | CM | abraxa_: Yes, I'd assume a scratch or two too, but I'm hoping rwhitby is in the mood to fix it ;) |
| 14:42.59 | CM | Or I'll ask for details later |
| 14:43.05 | abraxa_ | hehe okay |
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| 14:43.25 | mmazur | It's got cool headphones though. |
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| 14:44.03 | mmazur | As soon as I figure out how to turn of display and get gprs working and turn off charging via usb (hope that's doable), I'll start using it as a gprs modem. |
| 14:44.33 | xzcvczx | mmazur: why not use it as gps while your at it |
| 14:45.01 | mmazur | And the maps? |
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| 14:45.14 | xzcvczx | well just a gps for your lappy |
| 14:45.17 | xzcvczx | or whatever\ |
| 14:45.26 | xzcvczx | so have your laptop handle the maps |
| 14:45.47 | SpeedEvil | see manually using gprs on the wiki |
| 14:45.50 | mmazur | Ah, yes, that too. |
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| 14:46.39 | aloril2 | have you kept supplied screen protector on? |
| 14:46.44 | mmazur | SpeedEvil, any info on turning off charging? When I'm on battery, I don't want my phone to drain my laptop batteries. |
| 14:46.54 | SpeedEvil | mmazur: I'm unsure. |
| 14:46.59 | mmazur | aloril2, me? No. |
| 14:47.03 | SpeedEvil | I know you can cut the red wire in a USB lead. |
| 14:47.07 | SpeedEvil | That's not optimal though. |
| 14:47.11 | mmazur | Yeah. |
| 14:47.14 | xzcvczx | mmazur: jsut put it in low power mode and it will only use 100mA |
| 14:47.23 | xzcvczx | well low charging mode |
| 14:47.38 | SpeedEvil | It only uses 200mA or so fully on. |
| 14:47.45 | SpeedEvil | If it's not charging battery |
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| 14:48.07 | mmazur | Not charging battery is the point. Preventing it from doing so. |
| 14:48.20 | mmazur | I doubt I can evade the usb link using *some* power. |
| 14:48.26 | hrw | mmazur: its in /sys/ |
| 14:48.49 | hrw | mmazur: read wiki - battery stuff is there |
| 14:49.01 | hrw | mmazur: and 2007 software suxx. 2007.2 is nice |
| 14:49.23 | mmazur | And it's available... where? :) |
| 14:49.31 | Vegar | or rather - when? |
| 14:50.21 | hrw | rather when. |
| 14:51.09 | hrw | I prefer to not share images due to fact that I work for OpenedHand company which is writing 2007.2 stuff |
| 14:52.00 | SpeedEvil | mmazur: it won't charge the battery once it's charged |
| 14:52.59 | hrw | mmazur: and it should be able to be done on other side too - laptop on battery should limit amount of power on usb ports |
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| 14:55.24 | mdt | doesn't bitbake support protocol svn+ssh:? |
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| 14:57.16 | mdt | oh, sorry, answered the question myself... hm. bitbake wants svn: in front anyway. |
| 14:59.01 | mmazur | Erm. |
| 14:59.02 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2650 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-notify.c): |
| 14:59.02 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-06 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 14:59.02 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (moko_notify_start_ringtone): |
| 14:59.02 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Try and use the simple commandline gst parser. |
| 14:59.08 | mmazur | So what is the status of the official firmware? |
| 14:59.16 | mmazur | (the one called, you know, 'openmoko') |
| 14:59.23 | mmazur | firmware as all the userspace stuff |
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| 15:03.19 | jipi | #nslu2-linux |
| 15:03.33 | jipi | sorry. type wrongly |
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| 15:04.52 | raynet | xzcvczx: make a transparent block of resin and p1 inside of it |
| 15:05.12 | xzcvczx | raynet: hmmm good idea |
| 15:06.43 | Kero | keep it, protect it. in 2050, they'll be collector's items! One of the first 1000 free phones! |
| 15:07.29 | xzcvczx | Kero: they will all resemble female adult toys |
| 15:07.43 | raynet | Kero: yeah, we'll be driving our iCars and live in iHouses |
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| 15:08.36 | mwester | Only some. The rest will live in Microsoft Home, and drive Microsoft Transports, on our way to Microsoft Office. |
| 15:08.57 | raynet | and a handful are building OpenHouses |
| 15:10.03 | raynet | whii, neo flashed, now perhaps it boots |
| 15:10.07 | Kero | driving OpenCars to their OpenOffice ? |
| 15:10.28 | noiddd | I wonder how power management is going |
| 15:10.52 | Kero | what happened with the Neo-on-ebay-before-P1-was-available ? |
| 15:11.02 | xzcvczx | noiddd: i think that is one of the things that i am least worried about.... i am more looking forward to sms/call then it will be my phone |
| 15:11.04 | Kero | someone intended to file a complaint at ebay :) |
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| 15:11.07 | BryceLeo|Work | kero looks like it got delisted |
| 15:11.22 | noiddd | why would you want it de-listed? |
| 15:11.35 | Kero | noiddd: 'coz given the description, it was a fake |
| 15:12.09 | Kero | someone selling a Neo that apparently had working software |
| 15:13.12 | noiddd | Wow, we should have bought it just so we could get the working image :-) |
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| 15:16.14 | cheesy | noiddd: :D |
| 15:16.43 | aloril2 | xzcvczx: yeah, I kind of wanted to say everone who doesn't have one want's it eagerly and rest are protecting their 'preciousness' |
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| 15:17.32 | Kero | xzcvczx: 1000 Neos in a Beowulf cluster, communicating over... GPRS ?!? |
| 15:17.42 | mmazur | yeah |
| 15:17.46 | mjr | no, silly; they'd be in proximity, so bluetooth! |
| 15:18.05 | Kero | mjr: what, all 1000 P1s? |
| 15:18.21 | xzcvczx | Kero: no they use headphone/microfone :P |
| 15:18.26 | mwester | Hey wow! OpenMoko has finally acknowledged that there's a problem with demand vs supply! http://direct.openmoko.com |
| 15:19.01 | mjr | didn't they do that on the lists ages ago? |
| 15:19.08 | mjr | (ah well, good to have it there too, of course) |
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| 15:19.38 | zipola | With this product that's great news. |
| 15:19.39 | mwester | Perhaps, but nothing with actuall, real, dates. |
| 15:20.17 | mjr | Kero, ah, I was talking about if someone bought a whole bunch of them for clustering. Of course no bt if you'd just want to Beowulf the existing scattered Neos... |
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| 15:21.44 | mwester | Hmm... would be cheaper if one could connect to a farm of Linux compute servers as needed. |
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| 15:22.19 | mjr | (also, a thousand Neos in proximity might just have problems with talking over bluetooth) |
| 15:22.23 | Kero | neo-grid |
| 15:22.35 | Hadaka | let's make a cluster of qemu neo's! whee! ;) |
| 15:22.53 | xzcvczx | lol |
| 15:23.08 | Kero | Hadaka: two is easy on my dual-core :) |
| 15:24.56 | aloril2 | tip for anybody who didn't see it already: [[Bootloader]] page has fast charge example: if you want to use Neo1973 at same time as its charging from *dumb* USB charger: |
| 15:25.24 | mwester | Actually, neo's in proximity can provide some valuable information, even if not compute. Consider a conference room -- if a number of Neo's can communicate their ring-status, it would allow a Neo entering the room to automatically go on vibrate like the others... |
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| 15:26.37 | jipi | has anyone faced the problem of the neo's battery failure? |
| 15:26.45 | aloril2 | add that entry without backlight off, then turn Neo1973 on so that you go to u-boot menu first, then select fast charge, then boot: fast charge from *dumb* USB charger while using Neo1973 |
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| 15:27.11 | raynet | humm, what is the easiest way to recalibrate the screen? |
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| 15:27.32 | mjr | running the calibration program from CLI, but I don't recall its name |
| 15:27.41 | raynet | :) |
| 15:28.05 | hrw | ts_calibrate |
| 15:28.13 | hrw | or 'DISPLAY=:0 xtscal' |
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| 15:28.23 | hrw | or remove /etc/pointercal and restart X11 |
| 15:28.36 | aloril2 | jipi: just leave it on normal smart USB port that can offer 500mA for 0.5-2h and then it should have enough juice to boot and turn fast charge on automatically |
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| 15:29.16 | jipi | aloril2: thanks! |
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| 15:29.50 | aloril2 | (dumb charger doesn't work: it'l charge enough, then get on, use power while in X11 and turn off) |
| 15:32.13 | jipi | aloril2: does laptop usb ports usually have 500mA? |
| 15:32.18 | Kensan | Does anybody know the status about SyncML/Funambol integration? |
| 15:34.05 | Elrond | SpeedEvil.StandardSoftwareAnswer() |
| 15:35.23 | Kensan | Elrond: do you know if the client-side is going to be implemented by Funambol, O-Hand or the community/FIC? |
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| 15:36.38 | aloril2 | jipi: probably, depends maybe if you some other device draining 500mA |
| 15:37.19 | Elrond | Kensan - MY personal GUESS is o-hand. But I can't cite anything to proof my GUESS. |
| 15:37.48 | buz | mhh funambol was listed as partner and fic does need the client only, imho? |
| 15:38.07 | Elrond | Who's "funambol"? |
| 15:38.37 | Kensan | Elrond: k, thanks. Funambol has an opensource SyncML-Server and is partnering with FIC. |
| 15:38.49 | jipi | aloril2: ok i'll try. lucky i got a bl-5c |
| 15:38.56 | buz | funambol also has syncml clients |
| 15:39.08 | buz | in j2me for one |
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| 15:40.42 | Kensan | buz: true, but it would be more natural to fully integrate that into the phone instead of looking at it as an "add-on" |
| 15:40.46 | Elrond | Kensan - I think, the contacts app will be written by o-hand. But as above: I have no source to cite on this. So this goes down to PERSONAL GUESS. |
| 15:41.17 | buz | well funambol would know a lot about syncml |
| 15:41.26 | buz | there's also the opensync stack |
| 15:41.35 | Elrond | Maybe they'll partner with o-hand? |
| 15:41.36 | buz | but last time i checked opensync, it was dangerous to use |
| 15:41.54 | buz | maybe funambol writes a lib of some sort |
| 15:42.09 | ScaredyCat_ | funabol is great |
| 15:42.15 | ScaredyCat_ | if a little quirky |
| 15:42.29 | Elrond | Kensan - If you intend to help, contact mickey. He should know where to go. |
| 15:43.00 | buz | syncml in general seems quirky |
| 15:43.09 | Kensan | Elrond: so little time, so much to do :) |
| 15:43.10 | buz | havent seen an unquirky implementation yet |
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| 15:43.46 | Kensan | Elrond: was more wondering about the status etc because some people I know were asking. |
| 15:43.58 | ScaredyCat_ | if you want to see a crap one, look at the p910i |
| 15:44.30 | ScaredyCat_ | thankfully, as i discovered recently, the neo fits in the p910i's hip pouch thing perfectly... |
| 15:44.54 | ScaredyCat_ | I soooo look forward to the day I can throw that pos 910 at a wall |
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| 15:45.12 | buz | my p900 has served me well |
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| 15:46.17 | thomasg_ | the p800 was impressing it's time, but I played around with the new p990i and it really sucks |
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| 15:46.36 | buz | the p990 sucessor looks neat |
| 15:46.40 | buz | but uiq in general is crap |
| 15:46.40 | raynet | oki, fastest way to calibrate it was via flashin it again, i was able to use only top 2/3 of the screen, but now it seems ok |
| 15:47.38 | ScaredyCat_ | apparently the 990 is worse buz |
| 15:47.54 | buz | yeah the 990 is said to be one of the buggiest phones ever |
| 15:47.59 | buz | which probably explains why it is so cheap |
| 15:48.10 | Kensan | what's up with the unproper edits of P1_Owners-page? |
| 15:48.15 | buz | ~400EUR for it would be a very nice deal |
| 15:48.22 | ScaredyCat_ | at they don't seem to want to fix the bugs either buz |
| 15:48.27 | Elrond | Kensan - software status: """<SpeedEvil> Basheri: basically at the moment for almost all software questions, the answer is "no, unless you write it or convince someone to write it' - there is very little software there.""" |
| 15:48.32 | buz | its sony, what do you expect |
| 15:48.55 | ScaredyCat_ | buz: a dcma takedown notice ;) |
| 15:49.08 | buz | or a root kit |
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| 15:50.07 | buz | i wonder if vaio ships with root kit preinstalled |
| 15:50.23 | raynet | Ericsson R380S was very good one with snappy its Symbian 5, too bad you couldn't run your own programs on it. still had the best WAP browser ever |
| 15:50.24 | Elrond | Kensan - The beo is a very nice developer toy. currently. |
| 15:50.45 | buz | i never ONCE used wap |
| 15:51.13 | buz | r380s is the shark fin heavy duty one right? |
| 15:51.25 | hrw | I once wrote WAP pages |
| 15:51.33 | Kensan | Elrond: yeah I know. That's why I bought one ;) |
| 15:51.57 | hrw | writing wap pages suxx |
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| 15:52.31 | raynet | hrw: oh, they were so much fun :) |
| 15:52.47 | hrw | really? |
| 15:53.08 | hrw | deck needs to be smaller then 1500 bytes, very limited markup |
| 15:53.15 | raynet | yup |
| 15:53.17 | raynet | which makes it good |
| 15:53.37 | hrw | and add to that fact that each phone handle wap in other way... |
| 15:53.38 | raynet | later phones ever supported color images :) |
| 15:53.50 | hrw | that m$ windows wap emulators ignore size limit.. |
| 15:54.34 | hrw | I had to write page which gave programme for festival - over 300 entries == 30-40 decks |
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| 15:54.52 | raynet | i think i wrote dozen games and published some 500 comic strips with WML, so it was fairly successful thing for me |
| 15:55.44 | raynet | not that i actually ever wrote actual WML files, all were automagically created by my software, bigger decks for phones that could support them and colors where they could be shown etc |
| 15:56.15 | raynet | though i did prefer imode over wap |
| 15:58.06 | hrw | raynet: it was first time when someone at that company wrote wap page |
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| 15:58.38 | hrw | raynet: and it was ~year/two ago so most of phones were able to do html |
| 15:59.40 | raynet | hrw: :) |
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| 15:59.52 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2651 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-notify.c): |
| 15:59.52 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-06 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 15:59.52 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (on_bin_eos), (moko_notify_start_ringtone): |
| 15:59.52 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Added intial support for looping the ringtone. |
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| 16:10.08 | xzcvczx | did everyone with base kit get a guitar pick? |
| 16:10.25 | hrw|gone | xzcvczx: it is not needed for base stuff |
| 16:10.42 | hrw|gone | xzcvczx: it is needed to open case when you plan to connect debugboard |
| 16:11.49 | xzcvczx | hrw|gone: lol well i got a guitar pick with my base |
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| 16:12.46 | raynet | xzcvczx: me too |
| 16:13.04 | raynet | xzcvczx: branded the same as the headset |
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| 16:13.10 | the_void | what is the best way to try out openmoko on a PC?(somewhat confused by the wiki)(using ubuntu 7.04), can I use the normal QEMU that are in the ubuntu repositories and a rootfs image for openmoko? |
| 16:13.31 | xzcvczx | raynet: lol you looked closer than i did.... i just assumed it was unbranded |
| 16:13.42 | xzcvczx | the_void: just get mokomakefile and do make qemu |
| 16:14.42 | raynet | w00t, managed to make a call |
| 16:14.54 | danielmewes | (The normal qemu doesnt emulate all the neo hardware.) and hello btw... :-) |
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| 16:24.49 | SpeedEvil | xzcvczx: I did |
| 16:24.55 | SpeedEvil | It was in the bag with the headset |
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| 16:25.21 | SpeedEvil | Can anyone with hardware check that /dev/input/event0 does not spit out events for the headset button |
| 16:25.29 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't seem to for me, though it should |
| 16:25.37 | SpeedEvil | hexdump -C /dev/input/event0 |
| 16:25.49 | cjb | do you have X running? |
| 16:26.00 | cjb | (and are you running hexdump inside or outside X?) |
| 16:26.09 | SpeedEvil | Don't think that matters - it reads the touchscreen evdev fine |
| 16:26.16 | SpeedEvil | and also reads the 'top' button |
| 16:26.22 | SpeedEvil | and the jack insertion 'button'. |
| 16:26.26 | cjb | 'k. |
| 16:26.28 | SpeedEvil | just not the 'hold' button |
| 16:26.45 | cjb | (X performs the grab ioctl on input devices, so you often lose if you're trying to read them while X is running.) |
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| 16:27.07 | SpeedEvil | I'm wondering if it's software, my headset being faulty, or a hardware feature. |
| 16:27.15 | xzcvczx | cjb: xev doesnt do it for him either though |
| 16:28.50 | cjb | yes, doesn't sound like that's involved here |
| 16:28.51 | cjb | although xev doesn't tell you if you have inputdev input, only if you have inputdev that's hoomed up properly to X KeySyms. |
| 16:28.57 | cjb | s/hoomed/hooked/ |
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| 16:29.11 | SpeedEvil | yeah - hexdump -C eventfile works fine though |
| 16:29.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2652 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-notify.c): |
| 16:29.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-06 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 16:29.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (on_bus_message), |
| 16:29.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (moko_notify_start_ringtone): |
| 16:29.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Some more looping fixes. |
| 16:29.29 | cjb | yeah |
| 16:29.36 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 16:35.14 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2653 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-notify.c): |
| 16:35.14 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-06 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 16:35.15 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (on_bus_message): |
| 16:35.15 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Connect to the right signals! |
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| 16:36.47 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Technical:P2P_Radio]] [[OSvS]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[P1_Owners]] [[User_talk:Secureoffice]] |
| 16:36.48 | don-o | dialer2 ? |
| 16:38.06 | SpeedEvil | All the apps now have a number 2 after them. |
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| 16:40.54 | JockeTF | Hi. |
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| 16:42.48 | mmazur | Just managed to input like 10 times the wrong pin. |
| 16:42.58 | mmazur | I *really* hope that the >3 times were not counted as puk. |
| 16:43.03 | mmazur | Othwerise, I'm in trouble. |
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| 16:45.16 | Jiten | mmazur: you know, I would get a prepaid for testing a developer version phone. that way there is a limit on how much damage you can cause. |
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| 16:49.12 | mmazur | Jiten, I'm not dumb enough to use my primary number :) I have a second sim card with gprs on it, that I keep inside my gprs modem. |
| 16:49.22 | mmazur | Good thing I won't be needing gprs anytime soon. |
| 16:50.42 | Jiten | mmazur: I wouldn't call that trouble then :P an annoyance. |
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| 16:56.53 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2654 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-notify.c): |
| 16:56.53 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-06 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 16:56.53 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-notify.c: (on_bus_eos), (moko_notify_start_ringtone): |
| 16:56.53 | CIA-24 | openmoko: More loop deugging. |
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| 16:57.53 | jipi | does anyone know what is this libgcc-s-dev? |
| 16:58.30 | Elrond | jipi - probably contains libgcc_s.so. ;-) |
| 16:58.32 | Elrond | ... and .a |
| 17:00.32 | jipi | Elrond: i'm trying to build and it just stops at http://pastebin.com/d568413fe |
| 17:01.11 | jipi | maybe i shd just use the MokoMakefile |
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| 17:04.42 | jipi | should we use bitbake 1.6x or 1.8x? |
| 17:05.43 | jipi | gosh. there's quite a lot of people here |
| 17:05.53 | daMaestro | mokomakefile is really easy |
| 17:06.08 | Elrond | Use MokoMakefile, unless you have a good reason not to use it. |
| 17:06.46 | jipi | yes. I'm running it now. I think it at least ensures every developer uses the same build environment |
| 17:06.58 | ScaredyCat_ | yes.... |
| 17:08.03 | the_void | runing MokoMakefile, on a train and downloading everything takes a lot of time, download speed jumps between 3kb/s to 80 kb/s |
| 17:09.10 | juri_ | meh, just make everyone use debian experimental. :) |
| 17:09.10 | daMaestro | it took me ~15 hours on a 3.2GHz dual core x86_64, 2GB of ram and a 6Mbit internet connection |
| 17:09.56 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone happen to know of a bluetooth controllable camera? |
| 17:10.05 | aloril2 | fake multitouch idea: put one finger to object, then do gesture with other finger |
| 17:10.08 | SpeedEvil | take pictures, and view them over bt? |
| 17:10.38 | leppoc | the neo support multi touch ? |
| 17:10.42 | daMaestro | no |
| 17:10.43 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 17:10.58 | daMaestro | leppoc, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo19734 |
| 17:10.58 | leppoc | too bad ;) |
| 17:11.00 | daMaestro | lol |
| 17:11.01 | daMaestro | leppoc, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 |
| 17:11.31 | aloril2 | examples: selelect word/etc.. in browser then search, copy, translate, etc.. with it |
| 17:12.18 | the_void | have anyone tried to use distcc with MokoMakefile? |
| 17:12.25 | aloril2 | 2) click on change task + quick gesture to select certain task |
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| 17:13.30 | aloril2 | 3-N) basically M button mouse clicks where M is number of gestures |
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| 17:13.51 | anrp | mm, now i have a stupid question, where is the splash image binary file? |
| 17:13.59 | anrp | i accidentally wrote the kernel over it by mistake |
| 17:14.11 | happycube | oops |
| 17:14.32 | anrp | yeah, definite oops there ~_~ |
| 17:14.33 | SpeedEvil | aloril: using the mic, with n sung notes, it's m*n buttons! |
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| 17:14.49 | don-o | wow. the soldout notice finally got people pissed off. |
| 17:14.57 | anrp | not as bad as installing arm libc last night though |
| 17:15.46 | Tyrae1 | which version of the dialer works? |
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| 17:22.52 | aloril2 | leppoc: talking about *fake* multitouch: when 'mouse' is *down* and then *suddenly* jumps to average of 2 finger -> decode that as multitouch |
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| 17:24.00 | aloril2 | (Neo1973 touch screen behaves this way: it reports average of fingers (visually tested it)) |
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| 17:24.49 | anrp | yay, got my neo going again |
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| 17:28.25 | leppoc | oh, nice idea aloril2 :) |
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| 17:29.01 | leppoc | if the touchpad detects physically 2 positions, does it takes the average between two to send to the software ? |
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| 17:31.03 | anrp | http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/zaurus/mplayer/mplayer-arm920t-try2 |
| 17:31.18 | anrp | think that one should be at least same speed as the old one |
| 17:31.30 | aloril2 | SpeedEvil: hehe, or even M^K buttons, where K is limit of patience in user for making gestures with second finger while keeping first one down |
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| 17:34.09 | aloril2 | leppoc: I think it would be more accurate to say that it detects average f 2 touches |
| 17:34.32 | aloril2 | s/ f / of / |
| 17:34.38 | anrp | it includes mp3lib by default (?) |
| 17:34.42 | anrp | so force mad with -afm libmad |
| 17:35.52 | xkr47 | libmad, libsane, libwicked, libmental |
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| 17:37.09 | the_void | leppoc: if I remember corectly a touchpad is using resistance to calculate where the user points |
| 17:37.17 | anrp | who knew that -fomit-frame-pointer would cause such a large speedup? |
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| 17:38.18 | anrp | there's still that oddity with decimal points missing in output, i'll try rebuilding uclibc with an earlier version |
| 17:38.19 | *** topic/#openmoko by mickey_away -> The OpenMoko HXD8 Project |
| 17:38.24 | anrp | ?? |
| 17:38.48 | LarstiQ | mickey_away: does that mean there is information forthcoming on HXD8? |
| 17:38.57 | anrp | ./mplayer-arm920t-try2 RL_MQB_320x240_512_128.avi -vo null -ao null -ac null -benchmark |
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| 17:39.01 | anrp | BENCHMARKs: VC: 66413s VO: 0054s A: 0000s Sys: 9675s = 76143s |
| 17:39.01 | anrp | BENCHMARK%: VC: 872216% VO: 00714% A: 00000% Sys: 127070% = 1000000% |
| 17:39.07 | mickey_away | oops |
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| 17:39.28 | jeddy3 | the unresolved hardware page in wiki suggests that neo use 115mA in "sleeping" with gsm on...with a 1200mAh battery this calculates to a little more than 10h battery life, am i right? |
| 17:39.48 | *** topic/#openmoko by mickey_away -> The OpenMoko Project -- http://openmoko.org -- Neo1973 GTA01 on sale at http://direct.openmoko.com |
| 17:39.53 | mickey_away | LarstiQ: no. it's still confidental |
| 17:40.04 | anrp | oops D: |
| 17:40.14 | mickey_away | i changed the wrong channel topic :D |
| 17:40.21 | mmazur | ... |
| 17:40.24 | anrp | wot, seekrit channels |
| 17:40.25 | anrp | !! |
| 17:40.31 | leppoc | the_void & aloril2: ok. so we can effectivelly do fake multitouch if one finger doens't moove. sweet :D |
| 17:41.11 | the_void | leppoc: somewhat yes |
| 17:41.37 | anrp | ./mplayer-opt-fm RL_MQB_320x240_512_128.avi -vo null -ao null -ac null -benchmark -lavdopts idct=7 |
| 17:41.41 | anrp | BENCHMARKs: VC: 63.969s VO: 0.126s A: 0.000s Sys: 8.759s = 72.854s |
| 17:41.41 | anrp | BENCHMARK%: VC: 87.8046% VO: 0.1727% A: 0.0000% Sys: 12.0226% = 100.0000% |
| 17:41.45 | tHe_IkkE | mickey_away: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/HXD8 first hit on google when typed HXD8..... quite confidential.... |
| 17:41.45 | anrp | old one is still faster... hmm |
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| 17:41.54 | the_void | leppoc: the problem is to detect what is ha multitouch and a fast drag |
| 17:42.32 | mickey_away | tHe_IkkE: shrug nothing secret about the codename. it's the product and the customer that we can't disclose yet. |
| 17:42.34 | mmp | tHe_IkkE: well, I would not expect that string to sit on every second page on the internet:) |
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| 17:43.24 | mmp | mickey_away: is there any known date when it will be a bit less confidental? :) |
| 17:43.30 | tHe_IkkE | mickey_away, mmp: True, I just found it funny.... my sense of humor I guess.... |
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| 17:43.41 | mmp | tHe_IkkE: :) |
| 17:43.42 | mickey_away | mmp: no idea sorry, that is due to the customer. |
| 17:44.13 | mmp | mickey_away: np, I was just curious:) One sees some hardware and just guesses what that could be:) |
| 17:44.24 | mickey_away | my gut feeling is somewhere within the next 4 months. |
| 17:44.38 | mickey_away | but i'm not involved with hxd8 anyways. |
| 17:44.42 | mickey_away | bbiab, having dinner |
| 17:44.52 | mmp | mickey_away: bon apetit:) |
| 17:45.03 | mmp | and thanks for info |
| 17:45.36 | tHe_IkkE | mickey_away: smecklich essen! (Hope he understands my german...) |
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| 17:46.08 | ScaredyCat_ | so how many fic projects are you working on at the same time mickey_away ? |
| 17:46.39 | tHe_IkkE | ScaredyCat_: Lets see, dinner, Neo, uhm... nevermind... |
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| 17:51.40 | borg_ | tHe_IkkE: one would say "Guten Appetit" in germany ;) |
| 17:52.10 | orospakr | So, uh, what's the deal on the shipping? Nothing beyond 2464 appears to have been billed or shipped. |
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| 17:53.55 | cayco_ | xzcvczx: i did |
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| 17:54.11 | tHe_IkkE | borg_: It's all coming back now..... It's been a few years since I last went to Germany... |
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| 17:54.53 | borg_ | :D |
| 17:57.48 | aloril2 | the_void: I susoects its hard to make so sudden jump with one finger |
| 17:57.53 | LarstiQ | orospakr: 4035 and 4104 seem to have been billed |
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| 18:00.10 | mmp | btw, any ideas about shipping of billed phones? Last week there should be second batch of phones in USA, but I wonder what happened then... |
| 18:00.30 | mmp | iirc we got no info about phones sent so far... . |
| 18:01.33 | jeddy3 | CM, sweet! |
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| 18:04.24 | jeddy3 | CM, just missed it myself ...got home from vacation this afternoon, and saw that they tried to do first delivery attempt a couple of hours earlier...it'll come tomorrow though |
| 18:04.42 | Kero | after two attempts at my home... |
| 18:05.01 | the_void | aloril2: the only way to know for sure is to try to implement fake multitouch, only have a touchpad that is behaving like a mouse and dont know if it is the realy the same |
| 18:05.14 | Kero | it's getting highly annoying. |
| 18:05.46 | Kero | I'll finally have my Neo, but no time to play with it until the end of the month *sigh* |
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| 18:06.47 | CM | jeddy3: Same here, back today at 11, they were here 10.35.. |
| 18:07.09 | Kero | heh, yeah, missed mine on Fri with about 10 minutes... |
| 18:07.12 | CM | jeddy3: Driving Umeå-Gothenburg is a pain! :-P (1100km for ppl who don't know) |
| 18:07.31 | jeddy3 | CM, :S |
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| 18:08.43 | Vegar | CM: Gothenburg = Göteborg? |
| 18:08.50 | jeddy3 | Vegar, nod |
| 18:09.12 | aloril2 | the_void: do you have a Neo1973? If yes, try it. In my tries fast movement by finger looks delayed and curvy and jittery while second point creates instant straight line: visually at least very different |
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| 18:09.42 | LarstiQ | mmp: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners, that batch clearly showed up there |
| 18:09.50 | aloril2 | (try Stroke Recognizer keyboard for example) |
| 18:10.44 | the_void | aloril2: dont have money to buy both version, so i am wating for the next release ( going to try to get work to buy one for me) |
| 18:11.34 | mmp | LarstiQ: doesn't seem to be optimistic, we had a little problem with payment, and if other payments were confirmed already around 22th... . |
| 18:11.44 | mmp | I hope we managed to get to the 2nd batch... |
| 18:12.05 | LarstiQ | mmp: that depends a bit on what order # you have |
| 18:12.39 | mmp | well, so far I don't know any, the one who ordered phones is three hops from me in social relations network:) |
| 18:13.07 | LarstiQ | mmp: do you know the order date? |
| 18:13.38 | mmp | not sure, the payment was confirmed about week ago... |
| 18:14.14 | mmp | on 22th they were definitely ordered |
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| 18:14.17 | LarstiQ | mmp: FIC charged you a week ago? |
| 18:14.22 | mmp | yes |
| 18:14.40 | mmp | due some problems with payment... |
| 18:14.55 | LarstiQ | mmp: okay, next question is where you are having the phones shipped to |
| 18:15.21 | mmp | Central Europe, either Vienna (Austria) or Bratislava (Slovakia) |
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| 18:16.01 | LarstiQ | mmp: then I'd wager roughly two weeks before they arrive |
| 18:16.33 | LarstiQ | mmp: based on similar data glanced from that page that is, don't hold me to that prediction :) |
| 18:16.43 | mmp | It's still better than \infty :) |
| 18:16.44 | aloril2 | the_void: sorry to hear, Neo1973 is much fun ;-) |
| 18:17.28 | LarstiQ | mmp: if you do find out your order numbers, feel free to fill in a spot on P1_Owners |
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| 18:18.27 | mmp | LarstiQ: I'll try, but my request will probably wander through few people, so I wonder whether I'll first see neo or the order number:) |
| 18:18.41 | the_void | aloril2: yhea looks realy fun, trying to get a headstart on software and development enviroment now |
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| 18:30.15 | JadeFalcon | whats the best way to commit some openmoko related changes to .bb files? |
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| 18:31.55 | abraxa_ | JadeFalcon: Commit in what sense? |
| 18:33.58 | anrp | huh, with lowres i get it going much faster |
| 18:34.13 | JadeFalcon | I changed some stuff in the scummvm receipt and i created a startup script that rotates the screen and map the AUX Key to F5. I can play now Monkey Island on my Neo. So where should i put this .bb? :-) |
| 18:34.15 | anrp | no surprise there tho |
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| 18:35.23 | charkins | Has anyone tried running poky on the gta01? |
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| 18:37.05 | tHe_IkkE | JadeFalcom: It's probably best to create a patch and send it to the original bb author. That way you're not stepping on someone's toes.... |
| 18:37.47 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Alabama]] [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Gothenburg]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[Talk:Carriers/ATT]] [[User_talk:Secureoffice]] [[User:Danielmewes]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Duesseldorf]] |
| 18:38.31 | ScaredyCat | lol - monkey island... guybrush... |
| 18:38.36 | ScaredyCat | I remember that... |
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| 18:39.07 | JadeFalcon | hmmm.. anyone knows the status of the merge openmoko overlay -> back to openembedded? |
| 18:39.13 | cayco | did anyone tried to display gps data from gllin in google earth? i do knot know what is output data format of gllin... |
| 18:39.13 | the_void | MokoMakefile fails when trying to checkout openmoko from http://svn.openmoko.org/ http://pastebin.com/d2ff261e6 |
| 18:39.14 | tHe_IkkE | Monkey island 4 or monkey island 3? :P |
| 18:39.24 | JadeFalcon | the vga screen is excellent for that game :-) |
| 18:39.34 | ScaredyCat | return |
| 18:40.15 | rushforth | monkey island!!! zomg! |
| 18:40.29 | abraxa_ | JadeFalcon: It's ready when it's done :) |
| 18:40.31 | thomasg_ | does sb have a local.conf for me? |
| 18:40.36 | JadeFalcon | :-) |
| 18:41.04 | abraxa_ | JadeFalcon: It's less than a week ahead, supposedly |
| 18:42.02 | Kensan | rushforth: with ScummVM you can play all kinds of "old-school" Lucas Arts games. |
| 18:42.14 | JadeFalcon | ok, then i try to merge the .bb to openembedded... |
| 18:42.47 | Kensan | JadeFalcon, you can try the #oe channel |
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| 18:48.23 | C7 | i've put a quick how-to for building om-2007.2 with nslu2-linux MasterMakefile on the wiki |
| 18:48.23 | C7 | if you are feeling lucky go out and try... but don't hit me if this doesnt build anything usable. my testbuild hasn't finished yet ;) --> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#How_to_build_using_nslu2-linux_MasterMakefile_.28Ubuntu_7.04.29 |
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| 18:50.57 | borg_ | C7: one can install mtn 0.35 from gutsy with sudo apt-get -t gutsy install monotone |
| 18:51.21 | borg_ | C7: oh, monotone 0.28 is needed for this |
| 18:51.29 | borg_ | thats bad :P |
| 18:52.20 | C7 | borg_: yes it is ;) |
| 18:52.49 | borg_ | but one can download an image from eine Nachricht an die Kollegen dort. Betreffzeile: "Kommunikations-Durchbruch". |
| 18:52.54 | borg_ | arg |
| 18:52.55 | anrp | ? |
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| 18:52.59 | borg_ | wrong paste :P |
| 18:53.00 | borg_ | sry |
| 18:53.16 | borg_ | but one can download an image from http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/ |
| 18:53.18 | anrp | german is fine too |
| 18:53.25 | ScaredyCat | is monkey island freely available now ? |
| 18:53.30 | borg_ | create a monotone/ |
| 18:53.42 | Kensan | ScaredyCat: unfortunately no... |
| 18:53.42 | borg_ | rename the OE.mtn to nslu2-linux.mtn |
| 18:53.47 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 18:53.49 | borg_ | and use whatever monotone you want |
| 18:53.52 | borg_ | this works fine |
| 18:53.54 | borg_ | i did this |
| 18:54.03 | ScaredyCat | you'd think by now they wouldn;t care ... ahh well.. |
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| 18:55.11 | Kensan | ScaredyCat: indeed. All those games were real gems and were tons of fun to play. |
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| 18:56.38 | C7 | borg_: sure you could do this.. but i wanted to keep it simple. feel free to add this way to the how-to |
| 18:56.40 | ScaredyCat | yeah .. I'll just dl some of the demos ... |
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| 19:03.10 | borg_ | C7: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2#How_to_build_using_nslu2-linux_MasterMakefile_.28Ubuntu_7.04.29 |
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| 19:09.23 | Elrond | What happened to all the nice stuff on buildhost?! |
| 19:09.47 | C7 | borg_: thanks.. hmm just that the order is a bit confusing now.. ill put the whole monotone thing near the end.. |
| 19:10.00 | borg_ | ok :) |
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| 19:11.36 | borg_ | C7: the thing that the old monotone versions are a lot slower then the new one |
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| 19:12.24 | zecke | hey |
| 19:12.32 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: once again, when are you going to arrive? |
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| 19:18.44 | C7 | borg_: better now? |
| 19:19.19 | borg_ | C7: nice :) |
| 19:19.48 | daxxar | Ugh, I can't bring myself to read the whine/flame-threads on the ML. :-S |
| 19:20.01 | daxxar | I guess I'll keep to the constructive posts from now on. |
| 19:20.56 | daxxar | Henrikw: Yay, our phones is en route Oslo-Trondheim, ;-) |
| 19:21.05 | daxxar | s/is/are/ |
| 19:21.24 | Henrikw | daxxar, I know :) hopefully here tomorrow :D |
| 19:21.37 | daxxar | Yep, then they'd actually hit their ETA. :-) |
| 19:21.55 | daxxar | They're really efficient with regards to toll / VAT |
| 19:21.59 | daxxar | \o/ |
| 19:22.14 | Henrikw | heh, yeah :) I'm as exited as a kid on christmas eve :p |
| 19:22.48 | daxxar | Yeah, me too |
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| 19:22.54 | daxxar | Can't toy with it till thursday, though. |
| 19:23.03 | Henrikw | _sure_ :p |
| 19:23.05 | daxxar | s/Can/Shouldn/ |
| 19:23.08 | daxxar | ;- |
| 19:23.10 | daxxar | ;-) |
| 19:23.13 | Henrikw | hehe ;) |
| 19:25.16 | Henrikw | daxxar: hmm, did you get "an exeption" on the tracking page aswell? |
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| 19:28.09 | rschuster | building uboot-openmoko is broken atm. any fix in sight? |
| 19:28.57 | Elrond | Hi mickeyl! |
| 19:29.04 | mickeyl | hey Elrond |
| 19:29.06 | mickeyl | how are things |
| 19:29.30 | Elrond | Fine. Finished my preparations for a short (work related) talk for tomorrow. Finally. |
| 19:29.59 | Elrond | rschuster - It's probably due to the CONFIG_CMD_* changes in u-boot. |
| 19:30.28 | Elrond | rschuster - going to an old git-release of u-boot should fix it for now. |
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| 19:31.30 | zecke | alphaone: you are at the camp site already? |
| 19:31.31 | Elrond | rschuster - cc3023b9f95d7ac959a764471a65001062aecf41 is before the config-cfg-update. |
| 19:31.58 | alphaone | zecke: yeah |
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| 19:32.05 | rschuster | Elrond: thanks for the info. I put it in the wiki |
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| 19:32.21 | alphaone | zecke: shoragan also arrived today |
| 19:32.39 | alphaone | tomorrow stefan_schmidt will follow |
| 19:33.05 | zecke | alphaone: do you know if there is space to park a car? |
| 19:33.34 | alphaone | zecke: there's a parking lot |
| 19:34.13 | zecke | alphaone: well, do you think there will be free space tomorrow? |
| 19:35.11 | alphaone | zecke: yeah, the parking lot is pretty big. There should be place |
| 19:35.25 | Elrond | rschuster - You can also file a bug, if you want to. ;-) |
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| 19:43.21 | anrp | where do I find gllin (wasn't on my device as shipped, it shipped without a rootfs) |
| 19:43.24 | anrp | ? |
| 19:43.38 | abraxa_ | anrp: They all ship without rootfs |
| 19:44.17 | anrp | well that makes the GPS mostly-useless |
| 19:44.23 | anrp | :/ |
| 19:44.40 | abraxa_ | FIC is still negotiating the terms of use from what I know... sadly |
| 19:44.40 | orospakr | anrp: wouldn't lack of a rootfs make more than just the GPS useless? :P |
| 19:45.09 | anrp | quite possibly D: |
| 19:46.09 | anrp | i wonder if eabi will be faster |
| 19:48.07 | Vegar | eabi? |
| 19:49.32 | anrp | the new hotness |
| 19:49.34 | anrp | supposedly |
| 19:49.34 | zecke | ~lart gtk |
| 19:49.34 | apt | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats gtk until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 19:50.05 | anrp | abi = function calling register convention and the like |
| 19:50.19 | anrp | yay, sigill ~_~ |
| 19:50.37 | Vegar | something at the compiler level? |
| 19:50.45 | anrp | yeah |
| 19:50.49 | anrp | compiler/assembler/linker |
| 19:50.49 | Vegar | ok |
| 19:50.52 | Vegar | yes |
| 19:51.04 | Vegar | eabi = embedded abi? |
| 19:51.05 | anrp | a bit of in-kernel too since the kernel has to know how arguments are passed to syscall |
| 19:51.11 | anrp | enhanced i think |
| 19:51.16 | anrp | its actually called AAPCS |
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| 19:52.04 | noon | hello |
| 19:52.42 | zecke | ~lart GtkTreePath |
| 19:52.42 | apt | pours gasoline all over GtkTreePath, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 19:54.05 | anrp | gtk .. D: |
| 19:54.42 | anrp | gtk is ... interesting |
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| 19:58.29 | anrp | mm i wonder if softvfp is faster than softfpa |
| 20:00.09 | daxxar | Henrikw: Yes, it does. |
| 20:00.25 | Henrikw | k, good :p |
| 20:00.26 | daxxar | Henrikw: I believe it's because "FORWARDED TO THE FACILITY IN THE DESTINATION CITY" means they've given it to Posten :/ |
| 20:00.42 | daxxar | "Your package has experienced an exception." |
| 20:00.43 | Henrikw | hm, should me here around noon then |
| 20:00.48 | daxxar | Aye. :-) |
| 20:00.57 | daxxar | Anyway, later. Got visitors and studying. :-) |
| 20:01.02 | Henrikw | see ya |
| 20:01.05 | daxxar | Let me know when you get it =) |
| 20:01.09 | Henrikw | will do |
| 20:01.29 | Vegar | ack, now you have to wait two more weeks for it to arrive |
| 20:02.33 | Hadaka | whine, openmoko doesn't build |
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| 20:02.48 | thomasg_ | hurray, openmoko does now build :) |
| 20:03.12 | Hadaka | | Applying patch uboot-cramfs_but_no_jffs2.patch |
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| 20:05.56 | mickeyl | use git rev 8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6 |
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| 20:11.07 | barmeier | when trying to make an update wih mokomakefile I always get:"Zugriff auf „board/neo1973/gta*/split_by_variant.sh“ nicht möglich: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden" which means that the file couldnt be found any hints ? |
| 20:11.07 | anrp | whee |
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| 20:11.20 | xkr47 | wb all |
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| 20:12.06 | Hadaka | barmeier: say make clean-package-uboot-gta01 |
| 20:12.13 | Hadaka | barmeier: then try again |
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| 20:12.37 | barmeier | Hadaka: thx I try ... |
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| 20:13.22 | xkr47 | SpeedEvil, you should post that gps ssh hack to the community list :) |
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| 20:14.16 | anrp | hm, eabi in qemu is slightly faster than the opt-fm binary |
| 20:14.22 | anrp | but still... qemu ~_~ |
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| 20:15.33 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2655 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 20:15.33 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-06 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 20:15.33 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Make the Backward and Forward button sensitive/unsensitive depending on if |
| 20:15.33 | CIA-24 | openmoko: one can go backward/forward. |
| 20:15.33 | CIA-24 | openmoko: The backward/forward signals are not yet connected. |
| 20:15.36 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * configure.ac: Search for genmarshal |
| 20:15.38 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: build the custom marshaler |
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| 20:15.56 | zecke | woglinde: salut, ca va? |
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| 20:16.17 | woglinde | hi zecke |
| 20:17.04 | barmeier | Hadaka: failed again with : | Applying patch uboot-cramfs_but_no_jffs2.patch |
| 20:17.04 | barmeier | | patching file fs/cramfs/cramfs.c |
| 20:17.04 | barmeier | | Hunk #1 FAILED at 27. |
| 20:17.04 | barmeier | | 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- rejects in file fs/cramfs/cramfs.c |
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| 20:17.16 | Hadaka | barmeier: yes, that's your real problem |
| 20:17.25 | Hadaka | barmeier: and mine as well, haven't found a solution yet |
| 20:17.31 | mickeyl | use git rev 8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6 |
| 20:17.41 | Hadaka | mickeyl: where do I fix that? |
| 20:17.45 | woglinde | hi mickeyl |
| 20:17.48 | mickeyl | uboot-gta01_svn.bb |
| 20:17.50 | mickeyl | yo woglinde |
| 20:17.54 | Hadaka | mickeyl: thanks |
| 20:18.01 | mickeyl | tag=<insertRev> |
| 20:18.06 | mickeyl | appending to ;protocol=git |
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| 20:19.27 | barmeier | I am new to this stuff. Could someone please explain what this: "git rev 8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6" means |
| 20:19.35 | Hadaka | mickeyl: what's the separator? ";" or something else? |
| 20:20.32 | abraxa_ | barmeier: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Git ;) |
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| 20:21.05 | Hadaka | hmh, should be ; |
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| 20:21.54 | barmeier | hehe, I have read about git, but to know how it is used in this context is a different thing, but you are right I will try to find and fix the bitbake file if I understand the comments correctly :) |
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| 20:23.14 | ewon | win 38 |
| 20:23.58 | noon | SpeedEvil: have you some sparetime? |
| 20:25.15 | noon | mjr: dont'd drink and irc ;o) |
| 20:25.30 | noon | -d |
| 20:26.16 | Hadaka | gah, I should learn bitbake better |
| 20:26.24 | Hadaka | what's wrong with this? |
| 20:26.29 | Hadaka | git://www.denx.de/git/u-boot.git/;protocol=git;tag=8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6 \ |
| 20:26.41 | Hadaka | ERROR: Exception:exceptions.IndexError Message:list index out of range |
| 20:28.53 | mickeyl | hmm looks ok to me |
| 20:29.06 | Hadaka | ahha! if I change it to tag=master, it works fine |
| 20:29.22 | Hadaka | (though not the compile, ofcourse) |
| 20:29.48 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 20:29.50 | mickeyl | compare http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/uboot/uboot-openmoko_svn.bb |
| 20:30.40 | Hadaka | mickeyl: no tag there? |
| 20:30.55 | mickeyl | tag there |
| 20:30.57 | mickeyl | look again |
| 20:31.04 | mickeyl | oops no |
| 20:31.07 | mickeyl | hah |
| 20:31.20 | mickeyl | sorry, it's not been sync'ed w/ the browser repository yet |
| 20:31.21 | mickeyl | sigH |
| 20:31.25 | Hadaka | stana:~# lwp-request http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/uboot/uboot-openmoko_svn.bb | grep tag |
| 20:31.57 | mickeyl | http://pastebin.ca/647915 |
| 20:32.12 | Hadaka | hmmh, linux-omap1_2.6.18+git.bb, looks pretty much the same |
| 20:32.54 | Hadaka | ah, I think I got it |
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| 20:32.58 | Hadaka | (perhaps) if the tag starts with a number, it needs to be included via variable substitution |
| 20:33.00 | Hadaka | I'll try |
| 20:33.58 | Hadaka | nah, didn't help :( |
| 20:35.20 | Kensan | Hadaka, can you pastebin your whole bb-file? |
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| 20:36.32 | Hadaka | Kensan: http://pastebin.ca/647924 |
| 20:37.14 | Hadaka | Kensan: if I remove the ;tag part, the file works |
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| 20:37.36 | Hadaka | Kensan: or if I change it to be ;tag=master |
| 20:37.55 | mickeyl | perhaps your git is too old? |
| 20:37.58 | Hadaka | BB_VERSION=1.6.9 it seems (using MokoMakefile) |
| 20:38.07 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Robustness]] [[P1_Owners]] [[User:Stueble]] [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Alabama]] [[User:Ashnazg]] |
| 20:38.13 | mickeyl | ah, or your git fetcher is too old :/ |
| 20:38.21 | mickeyl | sorry, I completely switched to org.openembedded.dev |
| 20:38.26 | mickeyl | and we'll switch the MokoMakefile soon |
| 20:38.40 | Hadaka | mickeyl: well, soon can't be soon enough ;) |
| 20:38.56 | mickeyl | it's always like that |
| 20:39.05 | Hadaka | mickeyl: yeah :) |
| 20:40.01 | Kensan | Hadaka: Just as a sanity check: did you try without '\' in 'SRC_URI = "\' ? |
| 20:40.32 | Hadaka | Kensan: nope - I didn't touch that line, and it works if the tag says master, so I don't think it should matter |
| 20:41.04 | Kensan | Hadaka: could you try without the additional line? |
| 20:41.07 | Hadaka | however, I got bored of compiling outdated crap - I just wanted to try and compile one last time so I could go over some kernel hacks for the touchscreen |
| 20:41.11 | Hadaka | Kensan: will do |
| 20:41.35 | Hadaka | Kensan: ERROR: Exception:exceptions.IndexError Message:list index out of range |
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| 20:41.58 | mickeyl | Hadaka: use org.openembedded.dev |
| 20:42.09 | mickeyl | makes a good learning experience anyways |
| 20:42.39 | Hadaka | mickeyl: yeah, doing that now |
| 20:43.27 | Hadaka | I think I'm starting to outgrow MokoMakefile anyway, hinders more than it helps |
| 20:44.10 | daMaestro | it helps with completely new people |
| 20:44.31 | daMaestro | it really helps lower the bar when getting started with build the platform |
| 20:45.03 | happycube | yeah |
| 20:45.11 | Hadaka | daMaestro: exactly - MokoMakefile was a real boon |
| 20:45.24 | don-o | it got me going with the emulator. i love it. |
| 20:46.00 | Hadaka | oh yeah, the damn qemu stuff, I'm going to miss that |
| 20:46.01 | don-o | although i dont think it has to be a beginner's only tool. the makefile from the linux kernel is used by newbs and experts alike. |
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| 20:46.36 | Hadaka | well, I'll try without it for a bit and perhaps come back to it after it's been updated |
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| 20:53.10 | Kensan | Hadaka, can you pastebin the "full" error log? |
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| 20:54.13 | Hadaka | Kensan: http://pastebin.ca/647948 |
| 20:55.51 | Hadaka | can BBFILES be a relative path by any means? I *loathe* absolute paths with a passion |
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| 21:02.17 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2656 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 21:02.18 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-06 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 21:02.18 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Implement going forward and backward in the selection view. We have to |
| 21:02.18 | CIA-24 | openmoko: remember the FeedSelectionView in the ApplicationData to be able to connect the |
| 21:02.18 | CIA-24 | openmoko: next/previous signal of FeedItemView. |
| 21:02.21 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Is g_signal_connect_swapped considered evil? And is it normal that the code is different |
| 21:02.23 | CIA-24 | openmoko: to get the next/previous item in a GtkListStore? |
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| 21:07.04 | Hadaka | argh, I'm starting to hate bitbake |
| 21:08.02 | mickeyl | i thought you were using org.oe.dev? |
| 21:08.22 | mickeyl | maybe bitbake 1.6.8 doesn't know about git taggs |
| 21:08.34 | Hadaka | mickeyl: this is unrelated |
| 21:08.51 | goxboxlive | hi mickeyl . I tested the openmoko psplash on HTC Universal, it really looks good :-) |
| 21:08.54 | Hadaka | mickeyl: I hate software which expects something to be in the environment for it to run |
| 21:09.46 | cesarb | Hadaka: so you hate firefox? |
| 21:09.59 | mickeyl | goxboxlive: thanks :)) |
| 21:10.06 | Fatal | YES! |
| 21:10.29 | Hadaka | cesarb: $ file /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel |
| 21:10.29 | Hadaka | /usr/lib/iceweasel/iceweasel: POSIX shell script text executable |
| 21:11.14 | goxboxlive | mickeyl: i also canceled my order of a FIC phone today. I'll rather wait for GTA02 since it got so delayed. |
| 21:11.26 | mickeyl | *nodÜ |
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| 21:12.32 | Elrond | mickeyl - And idea what's up with buildhost? |
| 21:12.47 | high-rez | How did sales patch up with expectation? Was there a fear that you guys would end up with a bunch of inventory that you couldn't sale? |
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| 21:13.34 | Hadaka | mickeyl: okay, so... org.openembedded.dev has the required stuff for compiling an openmoko image? how do the commits that are done to version control get there? does it pull svn HEAD directly? |
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| 21:13.42 | BryceLeo | holy F*ing crap..... |
| 21:14.04 | daltona | hi everybody |
| 21:14.06 | BryceLeo | my router just started smoking and smelling like crap |
| 21:14.12 | BryceLeo | that.. .sucked |
| 21:14.47 | BryceLeo | dang... no more wireless till i can find the spare router..... |
| 21:14.52 | daltona | are there some problems with uboot build currently. I always get an error when aplying the patches |
| 21:15.17 | woglinde | hi stephmw |
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| 21:16.04 | mickeyl | Hadaka: yeah |
| 21:16.33 | ckuethe | (15:13:59) BryceLeo: my router just started smoking and smelling like crap |
| 21:16.36 | Stephmw | hey woglinde |
| 21:16.44 | ckuethe | heh i was at a conference when that happened to my wifi |
| 21:16.49 | BryceLeo | ckuethe: what kinda router did you get? |
| 21:16.58 | ckuethe | it was some stupid little linksucks thing |
| 21:17.04 | ckuethe | and i was at a security conference |
| 21:17.16 | ckuethe | honestly, i'm surprised it didn't catch fire in 10 minutes |
| 21:17.21 | BryceLeo | mine was that nice linksys wrt54g version 2 |
| 21:17.41 | ckuethe | it gave me an excuse to get the a/b/g d-stink though |
| 21:17.50 | Fatal | i have a 1.1, hope it survives :) |
| 21:17.51 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2657 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/ (ChangeLog src/feed-selection-view.c): |
| 21:17.51 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-06 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 21:17.51 | CIA-24 | openmoko: At least give some 'label' to the button without a meaningful icon. |
| 21:17.51 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/feed-selection-view.c: |
| 21:17.51 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (feed_selection_view_init): |
| 21:18.03 | BryceLeo | that's true, but cusom firmware is so nice... i will miss it |
| 21:18.09 | Elrond | ckuethe - BTW: What are all those sats with PRN > 31? (or do you have a nice ref on those?) |
| 21:18.44 | daltona | anybody experienced some probs today when building uboot ? |
| 21:18.45 | aloril | daltona: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 21:19.03 | ckuethe | Elrond: depends... |
| 21:19.04 | BryceLeo | alrighty i'm off to hunt down a spare router |
| 21:19.25 | ckuethe | production PRNS are 0-31 (32, 1-31) |
| 21:19.27 | daltona | aloril: ok I'll check... |
| 21:19.39 | ckuethe | 122, 124, 135, 138, etc are SBAS |
| 21:19.42 | Hadaka | daltona: it is broken, and fixing it isn't too easy |
| 21:19.43 | Elrond | daltona - u-boot was chanted upstream. Hadaka works on a workaround. |
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| 21:20.20 | daltona | ok thanks... so I'm not alone. good... thanks guys |
| 21:20.20 | Hadaka | I'm not working on a workaround anymore - it seems pointless as no openmoko developer is using the old build system |
| 21:20.26 | ckuethe | stuff between 31 and 122 is basically undefined right now |
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| 21:21.04 | Elrond | ckuethe - Huh. Hmm. My sirfIII sees 33 and 37 very often. |
| 21:21.17 | Hadaka | daltona: the git fetcher in old bitbake doesn't seem to be handling revision based tags (or something) - so it's hard fetching an older version of uboot |
| 21:21.22 | jeddy3 | Hadaka, old buildsystem? |
| 21:21.37 | Hadaka | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 |
| 21:21.58 | jeddy3 | Hadaka, ah thanks |
| 21:22.21 | daltona | hadaka: OK, I understand I did not figured out that build system changed. Too excited maybe :) |
| 21:22.45 | Stephmw | rwhitby: about the logging... don't people realise that the majority of us 24/7 idlers also log? |
| 21:22.48 | ckuethe | ah, sbas PRN - 87 = nmea sbas prn |
| 21:22.48 | ckuethe | since NMEA PRNs are only 2 digit |
| 21:22.48 | ckuethe | 124 is a valid PRN |
| 21:22.48 | ckuethe | i should really put gpsd on my time servers |
| 21:23.01 | ckuethe | i have a cluster of ublox antaris4T receivers driving my time servers |
| 21:23.05 | ckuethe | and a little php thing to generate skyview webpages |
| 21:23.12 | Bryce|HuntingRou | test |
| 21:23.20 | Bryce|HuntingRou | grr |
| 21:23.25 | Stephmw | Bryce|HuntingRou: test failed! |
| 21:23.27 | ckuethe | i've seen PRN 122, 124, 135 and 138 from here |
| 21:23.44 | Bryce|HuntingRou | lol yeah yeah sure sure Stephmw :P |
| 21:23.48 | ckuethe | ooooh, tracking 12 SVs right now |
| 21:24.00 | ckuethe | back down to 9 |
| 21:24.11 | jeddy3 | is there any built images of 2007.2? |
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| 21:24.15 | Elrond | ckuethe - Are those skyview thingies public? |
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| 21:27.13 | Elrond | Hadaka - And I'm not really feeling like trying to port the u-boot patches. I can't test them anyway easily. |
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| 21:29.25 | ckuethe | gpsd.mainframe.cx is |
| 21:29.25 | ckuethe | i'll link my others |
| 21:29.27 | ckuethe | and if you've got a semi-permanent box, i'd love to get a feed from it |
| 21:29.33 | ckuethe | gpsd.mainframe.cx has been sitting on the roof of the engineering building for 2 years |
| 21:29.35 | ckuethe | i'm quite impressed at its durability |
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| 21:31.04 | Elrond | ckuethe - I don't have a greenhouse yet to put the neo in. ;-) |
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| 21:56.03 | Risto | Hi, seems that the actual uboot is broken. anyone out there who can explain me how to enhance "uboot-gta01_svn.bb" to get revision "cc3023b9f95d7ac959a764471a65001062aecf41" |
| 21:56.16 | Risto | ? |
| 21:58.01 | rwhitby | mickeyl: how soon is "soon" for the MokoMakefile switch? |
| 21:58.27 | mickeyl | frankly, i don't know. together with publishing the next announcement. |
| 21:58.32 | mickeyl | hopefully within the next 4 days |
| 21:58.48 | mickeyl | i don't want to make the switch until the stuff in svn has a certain quality |
| 21:59.04 | thomasg_ | NOTE: generating locale es_NI (UTF-8) |
| 21:59.04 | thomasg_ | qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting |
| 21:59.06 | thomasg_ | -.- |
| 21:59.40 | thomasg_ | what has qemu to do with glibc-2.5 and why it sefaults at locale es_NI? -.- |
| 21:59.52 | rwhitby | mickeyl: nod |
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| 22:01.18 | mickeyl | qemu generates locales for glibc |
| 22:01.23 | mickeyl | no idea about the second part of your question |
| 22:01.56 | thomasg_ | it was building for 4 hours now |
| 22:02.08 | thomasg_ | seems I have to start it again (but w/o solving the problem it will segfault again) |
| 22:02.17 | woglinde | thomasg look at the glibc.bb and put es_NI locales to broken locales |
| 22:03.18 | cesarb | thomasg_: does it always segfault at the same point? |
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| 22:03.30 | thomasg_ | cesarb, don't know |
| 22:03.36 | cesarb | thomasg_: because if not, it could be a hardware problem on your machine (see the sig11 faq) |
| 22:03.38 | thomasg_ | before it was segfaulting at several other points :) |
| 22:03.52 | woglinde | uh |
| 22:04.02 | thomasg_ | but I never came so far ^^ |
| 22:04.27 | thomasg_ | woglinde, can I put all locales but us and my native language to broken? :) |
| 22:04.34 | rwhitby | thomasg_: Add ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" in your local.conf |
| 22:04.38 | thomasg_ | ah, ok |
| 22:04.42 | thomasg_ | thx rwhitby |
| 22:04.51 | rwhitby | (note that the nslu2-linux makefile would have done that for you ;-) |
| 22:04.55 | thomasg_ | ^^ |
| 22:04.56 | woglinde | rwhitby that will prevent the other segfaults |
| 22:05.24 | thomasg_ | rwhitby, any other workarounds I should know about? :) |
| 22:05.39 | rwhitby | thomasg_: check the makefile ;-) |
| 22:05.43 | rwhitby | (no, I don't think so) |
| 22:05.43 | thomasg_ | ^^ |
| 22:06.20 | anrp | hmm |
| 22:06.32 | anrp | guess the qvga patch isn't integrated into the default build yet |
| 22:07.50 | thomasg_ | rwhitby, at the next ERROR you will have convinced me :) |
| 22:08.12 | SpeedEvil | noon: ping - was asleep - what? |
| 22:09.03 | anrp | guess its time to build a kernel... |
| 22:09.33 | SpeedEvil | anrp: see my trivial patch on the hardware list for the usb-direction patch too |
| 22:11.22 | anrp | http://web.mit.edu/anrp/www/zaurus/mplayer/mplayer-arm920t-try4 is my latest mplayer build, SpeedEvil |
| 22:11.28 | anrp | if you want to try it |
| 22:11.36 | anrp | you'll have to force libmad though (-afm libmad) |
| 22:12.18 | noon | SpeedEvil: I was analysing some wired code and want to take a look, what the programm outputs |
| 22:12.30 | noon | SpeedEvil: Elrond gave me the answer |
| 22:12.32 | ferric | SpeedEvil: did you get your Neo? |
| 22:12.37 | noon | SpeedEvil: so, never mind :-) |
| 22:12.41 | ferric | SpeedEvil: or are you working off off qemu? |
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| 22:15.54 | SpeedEvil | noon: k |
| 22:16.09 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 22:16.14 | SpeedEvil | I've already responded. |
| 22:17.44 | SpeedEvil | Can someone else do: hexdump -C /dev/input/event0 |
| 22:17.57 | SpeedEvil | plug the headset into the phone. |
| 22:18.05 | SpeedEvil | and now click the 'hold' button. |
| 22:18.10 | SpeedEvil | For me. |
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| 22:18.18 | alr | herro? |
| 22:18.18 | aloril | alr: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:18.31 | SpeedEvil | The headset insertion does something, but not the hold button. |
| 22:18.32 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: just saw your response - it's good, but I'm afraid of it being ignored as FUD |
| 22:18.41 | alr | got the phone today !! yay !! flashing rootfs now ! |
| 22:18.47 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:18.51 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: and I wish I could help your efforts on the hexdumping - but no phone here |
| 22:18.52 | alr | whatsup everybody |
| 22:19.04 | SpeedEvil | alr: nothing really. |
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| 22:19.38 | SpeedEvil | anrp: will try |
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| 22:19.53 | SpeedEvil | thanks. |
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| 22:20.47 | SpeedEvil | Now to bench |
| 22:21.13 | alr | yay booting with rootfs first time! |
| 22:21.16 | SpeedEvil | anrp: this is basically static, with all the codecs you can find? |
| 22:21.21 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:21.58 | anrp | well all the lavc ones |
| 22:22.04 | anrp | its a checkout of mplayer as of this morning |
| 22:22.26 | anrp | its approximately the same speed as the old one I had... a couple % slower, but I can't really figure out how that is |
| 22:22.57 | anrp | gcc can... |
| 22:23.11 | anrp | i've never done it but it (might) be worth it |
| 22:23.17 | SpeedEvil | Based on statistics? |
| 22:23.23 | SpeedEvil | rather than guesses? |
| 22:23.26 | anrp | yeah, gcc can |
| 22:23.34 | anrp | it can generate profile info and dump it, then reuse it |
| 22:23.40 | anrp | well the manual claims it can... |
| 22:25.38 | LarstiQ | SpeedEvil: iirc dec compilers also did that |
| 22:26.05 | SpeedEvil | anrp: shows help page OK |
| 22:26.14 | anrp | i got my neo going so i've been playing |
| 22:26.21 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:26.26 | anrp | i need to build a kernel that allows qvga switching |
| 22:26.31 | anrp | i have the mode and timing info.. |
| 22:27.07 | Elrond | Good night mickey|zzZZzz |
| 22:27.17 | alr | sweet .. crashed X11 by playing with prefs ! |
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| 22:28.23 | anrp | X, the fragile beast |
| 22:28.50 | alr | its seemed to be kinda sluggish for a bit too |
| 22:29.13 | alr | ah well the 1st of many reboots i'm sure |
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| 22:29.47 | anrp | o ye of little faith |
| 22:30.34 | Elrond | Hmm, my X seemed quite okay. |
| 22:30.38 | rtm_ | o we of sour index fingers |
| 22:30.44 | anrp | if anyone is actually running eabi, there's an mplayer in that directory for you as well |
| 22:31.00 | alr | where's the latest "stable" release image ? |
| 22:31.11 | anrp | stable? |
| 22:31.14 | anrp | what's that? |
| 22:31.42 | alr | i got the stuff from: http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/ |
| 22:32.01 | anrp | that would be the latest more or less |
| 22:32.14 | anrp | if you want fresher you have to build it |
| 22:32.16 | anrp | i think |
| 22:32.46 | alr | yeah.. haven't gone through the setup of OE yet .. but soon . |
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| 22:37.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Pudelfish]] [[P1_Owners]] [[FAQ]] [[Press_Coverage]] [[SH1_FAQ]] [[USB_Networking]] [[Other_OSes]] |
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| 22:38.23 | Risto | what to do to get actual uboot compiling? where i've to insert the "cc3023b9f95d7ac959a764471a65001062aecf41"? |
| 22:38.49 | SpeedEvil | Why do you want to compile u-boot? |
| 22:40.19 | Risto | because I made a 'make update-makefile && make update setup openmoko-devel-image' and now it's broken :-| |
| 22:41.22 | woglinde | risto that wont work with mokomakfile because its using older bitbake which dont have much gitfeatures |
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| 22:42.37 | Risto | woglinde: that means I've to wait for new patches? |
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| 22:45.32 | Risto | fyi, found the info about revision "cc3023b9f95d7ac959a764471a65001062aecf41" here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:MokoMakefile&curid=2028&diff=16187&oldid=15769 |
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| 22:50.02 | calamous_ | I'm having an odd problem. I turned on my phone and I can't SSH into it |
| 22:50.20 | calamous_ | its really weird because when I started it said that the SSH ID has changed and displayed the big warning |
| 22:50.27 | calamous_ | But I could 1 hour ago |
| 22:50.42 | calamous_ | but after this restart it won't let me in (i even reset the password) |
| 22:51.26 | Writchie | calamous: have you loaded a new rootfs? |
| 22:51.31 | b1303s__ | you have to edit the file in .ssh |
| 22:51.42 | b1303s__ | known_hosts |
| 22:51.58 | calamous_ | yeah. i did but it says the password (which is nothing) is wrong |
| 22:52.02 | b1303s__ | and remove the line with 192.168.0.202 |
| 22:52.13 | calamous_ | Why would my neo all of a sudden change its rsa ID |
| 22:52.21 | calamous_ | no I'm using the rootfs from the 27th |
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| 22:52.53 | Writchie | what distro is your host? |
| 22:52.56 | calamous_ | ubuntu |
| 22:53.06 | calamous_ | it worked 1 hour ago and all I did was change sim cards |
| 22:53.09 | Writchie | 7.04? |
| 22:53.12 | calamous_ | yeah |
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| 22:53.52 | calamous_ | Why would it change its RSA id and password when I changed sim cards? |
| 22:54.12 | Writchie | no reason I can think of |
| 22:54.15 | calamous_ | and even if I do passwd on the neo and then ssh into it, my comp still says its the wrong password |
| 22:54.33 | calamous_ | Do you know where newer images to flash are? |
| 22:54.37 | calamous_ | I can't find any on the buildhost |
| 22:54.41 | calamous_ | it was down earlier |
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| 22:55.14 | Writchie | there are few images around, but it looks to me like we are in a state of flux |
| 22:55.40 | Writchie | i'm waiting for a stable image matching some source base that I can re-compile here |
| 22:56.27 | calamous_ | if I remove my sim card I can SSH back into it |
| 22:56.32 | calamous_ | What gives lol? |
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| 22:56.49 | calamous_ | How the hell can a sim card change the RSA id of ssh? |
| 22:57.30 | Writchie | i can think of lot's of ways but I don't think there is any code in the present images to do that |
| 22:57.49 | calamous_ | Yeah. I would hope not |
| 22:58.12 | SpeedEvil | calamous_: sometimes ssh will take many seconds to login |
| 22:58.25 | Writchie | it usually takes about 5 seconds |
| 22:58.45 | SpeedEvil | Sometimes it takes >60 |
| 22:58.51 | SpeedEvil | for no good reason that I'm sure of. |
| 22:58.53 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: what do you mean. |
| 22:59.01 | SpeedEvil | ssh phone |
| 22:59.08 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: are you doing this early after boot? |
| 22:59.10 | SpeedEvil | takes >60 seconds to come up with the 'password' prompt |
| 22:59.12 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 22:59.18 | calamous_ | I see the ssh prompt, and I type in my the password (nothing) and it says denied |
| 22:59.19 | SpeedEvil | and it's not cpu bound |
| 22:59.37 | SpeedEvil | calamous_: You got rooted. Install from fresh media :) |
| 22:59.40 | calamous_ | But when I take out my sim it works |
| 22:59.41 | SpeedEvil | (kidding) |
| 22:59.45 | calamous_ | lol |
| 22:59.48 | SpeedEvil | That's a bit odd. |
| 22:59.49 | calamous_ | It seems like it |
| 22:59.50 | ozarka | SpeedEvil: It's trying to resolve your domain. |
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| 23:00.03 | SpeedEvil | ozarka: it's not - /etc/hosts |
| 23:00.59 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 23:01.05 | SpeedEvil | I thinko'd /etc/hosts/ |
| 23:01.11 | SpeedEvil | I keep typing 192.168.1.200 |
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| 23:01.33 | anrp | ssh -v tells you where its hanging up |
| 23:01.47 | calamous_ | I killed dropbear by typing on my phone and when I ssh to 0.202 it still comes up |
| 23:01.58 | calamous_ | I KNOW i have no other devices as 0.202 |
| 23:02.11 | calamous_ | and when I unplug the usb cable I can no longer SSH into it |
| 23:02.40 | daMaestro | calamous_, netstat -plant|grep 22 |
| 23:02.44 | daMaestro | (on the phone) |
| 23:02.50 | daMaestro | it will tell you what is listening on 22 |
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| 23:03.45 | calamous_ | will run it in a sec. just restarting phone |
| 23:03.56 | calamous_ | I went to At&t and got a new sim card btw |
| 23:04.02 | calamous_ | One that is not on the Carriers/ATT page |
| 23:04.03 | daMaestro | does it work? |
| 23:04.07 | calamous_ | not sure yet |
| 23:04.11 | daMaestro | ah |
| 23:04.17 | calamous_ | its a 71234G 3022 |
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| 23:09.44 | calamous_ | nope dosent work |
| 23:09.53 | calamous_ | AT+CIMI returns CME 13 |
| 23:10.03 | calamous_ | I'm really wondering if my GSM modem is bad |
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| 23:11.03 | Writchie | calamous_: I thought it was confirmed that AT&T SIMS do not work with the current chipset/firmware |
| 23:11.40 | calamous_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT shows that some work |
| 23:15.27 | SpeedEvil | Is there a ssh-keygen on the phone? |
| 23:16.47 | geofft | how do I change my rootfs (that I built with MokoMakefile) to use qvga mode? |
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| 23:17.13 | SpeedEvil | You don't. |
| 23:17.13 | SpeedEvil | AIUI. |
| 23:17.17 | SpeedEvil | The kernel patch is not included |
| 23:18.08 | geofft | kernel patch? |
| 23:18.09 | anrp | a like minded soul D: |
| 23:18.16 | anrp | http://people.openmoko.org/stefan/patches/LCM-QVGA |
| 23:18.24 | mjr | SpeedEvil, dropbearkey will generate keys... |
| 23:19.03 | mjr | SpeedEvil, and dropbearconvert will convert between openssh and dropbear keys (of course not compatible directly...) |
| 23:19.28 | SpeedEvil | thanks! |
| 23:19.50 | Basheri | hilight |
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| 23:21.12 | geofft | anrp, is this for the Neo? I'm on another phone with a qvga screen already |
| 23:22.06 | anrp | that's for the neo |
| 23:22.10 | anrp | so... dunno what you're using |
| 23:22.25 | jaebird | alright...got my 2g sim from ebay...att activated it fine, now i can call from my neo |
| 23:22.47 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:23.06 | geofft | yeah, I already have the stock image booting and working, but I can't do anything because of the resolution |
| 23:23.25 | SpeedEvil | geofft: hardware? |
| 23:23.31 | SpeedEvil | I mean which. |
| 23:23.50 | geofft | O2 Atom XDA Life. fancy new hardware. |
| 23:23.58 | SpeedEvil | GSM not work I assume |
| 23:24.01 | SpeedEvil | if it's GSM |
| 23:24.33 | geofft | I have GSM working in regular Debian ARM, I haven't tried it in OE / OM. |
| 23:24.42 | SpeedEvil | Noce. |
| 23:25.21 | geofft | (basically I have all the hardware support taken care of, but OM seems to have a decent userspace) |
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| 23:25.49 | SpeedEvil | Maybe in several months. |
| 23:26.28 | geofft | ok, so there actually is a dialer, which I haven't seen on like GPE |
| 23:26.45 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 23:26.55 | SpeedEvil | What works is quite nice. |
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| 23:27.18 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: you have a dialer that actually dials? |
| 23:27.29 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 23:27.35 | SpeedEvil | Wehn |
| 23:27.43 | SpeedEvil | When I haven't killed gsmd, to do GPRS |
| 23:27.54 | SpeedEvil | I have free GPRS for 10 - now 8 maybe - days |
| 23:28.14 | Writchie | i've never gotton the dialer to send anything to gsmd |
| 23:28.26 | SpeedEvil | Another week. |
| 23:29.01 | Writchie | it looked to me like everything is being overhauled anyway and i'm content to play at the command line |
| 23:29.11 | SpeedEvil | pretty much. |
| 23:29.29 | Writchie | there is an entire missing layer that's being ignored |
| 23:29.56 | SpeedEvil | I was assuming the dialer used gsmd - I haven't checked |
| 23:30.27 | Writchie | i think it uses libgsm which sockets over to gsmd |
| 23:31.09 | jaebird | alsactl...no soundcards found? |
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| 23:31.21 | jaebird | this is with the 2007.2 aug 2 image |
| 23:31.22 | SpeedEvil | jaebird: odd |
| 23:31.34 | jaebird | the state files are in /etc from firmware |
| 23:31.34 | SpeedEvil | lsmod |
| 23:31.56 | SpeedEvil | You should have 4 snd_* modules |
| 23:31.56 | jaebird | two snd_soc listed |
| 23:32.08 | noon | bye |
| 23:32.09 | jaebird | snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s snd_soc_wm8753 |
| 23:32.44 | SpeedEvil | You're missing snd_soc_s3c24xx_i2s snd_soc_neo1973_wm8753 |
| 23:32.47 | SpeedEvil | compared to my phone |
| 23:32.55 | jaebird | are you running 2007.2? |
| 23:33.05 | jaebird | i may have missed those modules |
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| 23:33.16 | SpeedEvil | no |
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| 23:33.23 | jaebird | ah...ok |
| 23:33.35 | *** part/#openmoko conley (n=ibcliffo@spode.cs.vt.edu) |
| 23:33.40 | jaebird | i'll go back to the known state...the games were fun :) |
| 23:34.52 | SpeedEvil | Check for shorts |
| 23:34.53 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 23:34.59 | BryceLeo|Shwr | pshh jaebird if you want real fun freeciv builds in OE |
| 23:35.58 | Vegar | BryceLeo|Shwr: that's why I want a neo |
| 23:36.52 | BryceLeo|Shwr | Vegar: lol freeciv on the go! |
| 23:37.05 | BryceLeo|Shwr | i dunno if it'll be doable on the gta01 without the graphics accel |
| 23:37.10 | rtm_ | DOes anyone happen to know which gtk event is produced when a stylus depresses the touch screen on the neo? |
| 23:37.21 | BryceLeo|Shwr | though if anyone with an n800 can test.... if it runs there it should run on the neo |
| 23:37.25 | BryceLeo|Shwr | or n700... |
| 23:37.50 | Vegar | rtm_: probably a mouse click |
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| 23:39.03 | Vegar | BryceLeo|Shwr: http://flickr.com/photos/ph5/417853278/ |
| 23:39.44 | BryceLeo|Shwr | wow wow that's awesome |
| 23:39.50 | BryceLeo|Shwr | i didn't know it actually played, |
| 23:39.59 | BryceLeo|Shwr | i'm currently builidng all of OE and i saw it on the to do |
| 23:40.24 | Vegar | not sure if it's playable though |
| 23:40.28 | Vegar | but at least it runs |
| 23:40.38 | BryceLeo|Shwr | yeah, very true |
| 23:40.42 | mjr | rtm_, don't recall the gtk terms off-hand, but touchscreen pushes and releases are handled exactly like mouse button pushes and releases |
| 23:40.45 | BryceLeo|Shwr | alrighty... off to get that shower done |
| 23:40.48 | Jason1 | very cool! |
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| 23:46.47 | rtm_ | mjr & Vegar - Thanks, that's what I figured, but my app isn't seeing them. I must be connecting the handler incorrectly. |
| 23:51.17 | abraxa_ | I would like to confirm some things: am I right to assume that the Neo charges the battery as soon as it's connected to a USB host? Also, am I correctly assuming that the Neo doesn't run on USB host power alone? |
| 23:51.34 | SpeedEvil | No, yes |
| 23:51.41 | SpeedEvil | the first is horribly more complex |
| 23:51.44 | SpeedEvil | basically. |
| 23:52.29 | SpeedEvil | If the device is awake, then any time it gets configured as a USB peripheral with 500mA of current available, it will charge at high rate - if the battery is not charged. |
| 23:52.43 | SpeedEvil | If the device is not awake, then it depends on configuration. |
| 23:52.57 | abraxa_ | So I can run the Neo from a power supply *and* hook it up to my laptop without having the Neo try charging the non-existant battery, yes? |
| 23:53.07 | anrp | if the neo thinks the battery is full |
| 23:53.18 | anrp | well, "battery" |
| 23:53.19 | SpeedEvil | You can't run it without the battery. |
| 23:53.37 | SpeedEvil | The neo. |
| 23:53.38 | anrp | almost... i pulled it out, and the neo made a horrible sound for 10 seconds while hooked to usb |
| 23:53.42 | anrp | but it didn't work |
| 23:53.43 | abraxa_ | Not even if I supply it with the 3.7V on the battery pins? |
| 23:53.49 | SpeedEvil | Oh - that'd work. |
| 23:53.55 | SpeedEvil | 2.9-4.2 or so. |
| 23:54.07 | SpeedEvil | Alternatively. |
| 23:54.14 | SpeedEvil | Take a USB lead, cut the red wire. |
| 23:54.15 | abraxa_ | My concern is that the Neo would try charging it, though |
| 23:54.20 | SpeedEvil | Not the green wire, or it will explode. |
| 23:54.24 | Vegar | just disable charging |
| 23:54.25 | abraxa_ | heh :) |
| 23:54.35 | SpeedEvil | Then connect a source of 5V to the neo side. |
| 23:54.47 | SpeedEvil | And don't connect the laptop side - insulate it. |
| 23:54.52 | Vegar | SpeedEvil: wouldn't he have to cut the black wire too? |
| 23:55.01 | SpeedEvil | a source of 5V - between the red wire, and the black wire. |
| 23:55.10 | SpeedEvil | No, you splice into the black wire, you do not cut it. |
| 23:55.36 | Vegar | so the black wire would go both to the laptop and to the 5V source? |
| 23:55.36 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Well I'd want to access the Neo over USB at the same time |
| 23:55.47 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: yes. |
| 23:55.52 | Vegar | ok |
| 23:55.53 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: you can do that |
| 23:56.16 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: You said to not connect the laptop side, though |
| 23:56.28 | SpeedEvil | You don't connect the red wire going to the laptop |
| 23:56.37 | Writchie | What problem are you trying solve by all this |
| 23:56.38 | abraxa_ | Oh, I thought you meant the entire plug |
| 23:56.58 | SpeedEvil | running neo off another power source while talking to it over laptop |
| 23:57.15 | abraxa_ | Writchie: Neo+Battery but no charger - figured it would be easier to just run from a power supply |
| 23:57.48 | SpeedEvil | Oh - you just want to charge it? |
| 23:57.51 | abraxa_ | Nope |
| 23:57.55 | mjr | Is the goal to not have the neo drink up the laptop's power? Wouldn't it be easier to communicate via BT? |
| 23:58.05 | Writchie | unless your laptop does not supply 500ma, there is only a problem at initial charge |
| 23:58.12 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 23:58.15 | abraxa_ | The goal is to run the Neo without the battery to begin with |
| 23:58.21 | SpeedEvil | Why? |
| 23:58.22 | Writchie | and why |
| 23:58.38 | abraxa_ | Because I don't want downtimes when it's empty |
| 23:58.59 | SpeedEvil | If you power it over 5V - you never get worse downtimes than you would powering it through the battery port |
| 23:59.21 | SpeedEvil | And you only lose some 10% of power in the charger circuitry inside the phone. |
| 23:59.21 | abraxa_ | Hmm... |
| 23:59.42 | SpeedEvil | And less chance of screwing it up. I _think_ the input on the neo can cope with up to 10V. |
| 23:59.43 | Writchie | just don't let neo get dead |
| 23:59.53 | Writchie | buy a $15 motorola usb charger |
| 23:59.53 | SpeedEvil | (note, if you try this, I reserve the right to point and laugh) |
