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| 00:12.33 | daMaestro | lol, well my build is still compiling.. next time i am going to export both procs to the guest |
| 00:13.32 | HellDragon | lol |
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| 00:28.07 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[Bootloader]] [[Other_OSes]] [[P1_Owners]] |
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| 00:45.05 | thomasg | hm, I switched from ext2 to vfat on the microSD - but now uboot can't detect the mmc-device correctly |
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| 00:47.55 | b1303s__ | thomasg:dunno but did you "depmod" after cp the module? |
| 00:48.09 | thomasg | no, I didn't use the module |
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| 00:48.19 | thomasg | formated the sd in my desktop machine |
| 00:48.24 | b1303s__ | ah |
| 00:49.14 | thomasg | it's really ironic :) |
| 00:49.28 | b1303s__ | i use ext2 formatted on the neo |
| 00:50.36 | b1303s__ | (and fdisk first) |
| 00:51.00 | thomasg | hm, awsome, after a reboot the dialer works :) |
| 00:51.39 | b1303s__ | :-) |
| 00:52.02 | thomasg | I use this image for 3 days no, it never worked -.- |
| 00:53.53 | b1303s__ | thomasd: my combi: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091138.rootfs.jffs2 http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin and ext2.ko from http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/modules-2.6.21.6-moko11-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.tgz |
| 00:54.40 | b1303s__ | but i dont tested it with a sim |
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| 00:58.19 | b1303s__ | gn8! |
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| 01:18.39 | ZerothCloned | hi guys |
| 01:19.39 | abraxa_ | hewwos |
| 01:20.06 | Richard_ | hi |
| 01:20.10 | noiddd | 'lo |
| 01:21.21 | cesarb | oi |
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| 01:32.37 | ZerothCloned | heya BryceLeo |
| 01:32.51 | Bryce_Leo | sup ZerothCloned |
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| 01:51.43 | Richard_ | How to build openmoko using my own kernel and toolchain? |
| 01:52.03 | Richard_ | any guide? |
| 01:52.34 | Bryce_Leo | http://www.openembedded.org/%7Ekoen/usermanual.pdf if you read this and learn OE i'm sure you'll be able to do it |
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| 01:57.21 | SpeedEvil | Anyone done the 4G microSD thing? |
| 01:58.47 | Richard_ | Thank you, I'll try. |
| 01:58.50 | Bryce_Leo | SpeedEvil: they're f*ing impossible to find |
| 01:59.01 | Bryce_Leo | Richard_: wish i could give you more help than that, but it's the best I got |
| 01:59.29 | Bryce_Leo | SpeedEvil: i've been trying to find a 4g micro sdhc but they're always sold out or "comming soon" |
| 01:59.58 | SpeedEvil | Same here. |
| 02:00.28 | Bryce_Leo | SpeedEvil: what country are you from again? |
| 02:01.13 | Bryce_Leo | SpeedEvil: k i'll do some checking |
| 02:01.35 | SpeedEvil | I was more wondering if anyone had actually managed to obtain one. |
| 02:02.12 | Bryce_Leo | ahh, no i've been trying and if i manage i'd be willing to ship to someone with a device to get hacking |
| 02:02.21 | ZerothCloned | ah, awesome |
| 02:02.47 | hads | They're "overdue" here |
| 02:03.02 | Bryce_Leo | yeah, that's pretty much all i've been seeing |
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| 02:13.08 | Arachnid | Is the note about dfu-util being broken on big endian machines still accurate? |
| 02:13.21 | Arachnid | Eg, I can't flash my neo from my ibook g4? :/ |
| 02:15.07 | Bryce_Leo | Arachnid: i thought that they flashed but really slow |
| 02:15.23 | Arachnid | It looks like building dfu-util is also a challenge |
| 02:15.36 | Arachnid | I think I'll just wait until I can borrow my flatmate's linux laptop |
| 02:15.50 | Bryce_Leo | Arachnid: always a safe bet |
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| 02:21.06 | abraxa_ | Arachnid: Did you check out the video mokoNinja posted on YouTube about flashing from a Mac? |
| 02:21.21 | abraxa_ | Maybe there are some helpful tips in the link to the original document |
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| 02:23.28 | Bryce_Leo | anyone have a VPS sever and wanna recommend a good company? i only need a very basic plan with ssh and an ftp server |
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| 02:23.54 | leppoc | Bryce_Leo: Slicehost :) |
| 02:24.29 | Bryce_Leo | thanks leppoc i'll check them out, i'm also looking at vps link because they have lightttpd |
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| 02:27.10 | Bryce_Leo | anyone else wanna suggest a good vps |
| 02:30.34 | Arachnid | Seconded on slicehost |
| 02:30.37 | Arachnid | I host there too |
| 02:31.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 683 has been created by mail(AT)mmontour.net |
| 02:31.02 | cdbot2 | * * /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm not compatible with busybox's /bin/ps |
| 02:31.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=683 |
| 02:31.06 | Arachnid | Bryce_Leo: You know that with a real VPS you can install whatever HTTP server you want, right? |
| 02:31.31 | hozer | so, does slicehost support IPv6? |
| 02:31.56 | Arachnid | Not directly (yet) |
| 02:32.08 | Arachnid | They've mentioned that they'd like to |
| 02:32.10 | Bryce_Leo | Arachnid: yes i know, but usually the ones that run lighttppd as default are cheaper |
| 02:32.22 | Arachnid | Bryce_Leo: Eh? How so? |
| 02:32.48 | hozer | doh. The only VPS I've seen so far with IPv6 is grokthis.net |
| 02:32.54 | Arachnid | With slicehost, at least, you get a default install of your chosen distro - no http server by default, just use the package manager to install what you want |
| 02:33.02 | Arachnid | hozer: You can always tunnel it yourself |
| 02:33.21 | hozer | Arachnid: I can do that from home ;) |
| 02:33.25 | Arachnid | The kernels on the VPSes support v6, they just don't have routing for it |
| 02:33.40 | hozer | I wanted native v6 routing |
| 02:33.44 | Arachnid | I figured |
| 02:33.54 | Bryce_Leo | Arachnid: they give you less ram usually thus costs less |
| 02:34.14 | Bryce_Leo | Arachnid: slicehost looks pretty darn good |
| 02:34.27 | Arachnid | Bryce_Leo: I'd rather just pay by RAM, not by apps. :) |
| 02:34.39 | Arachnid | They are. :) |
| 02:35.50 | Bryce_Leo | yeah i'll probably go with them setup proftpd sshd and be done with it |
| 02:36.02 | Arachnid | Don't forget to list one of us as referrer. ;) |
| 02:36.07 | Arachnid | </money_grubbing> |
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| 02:36.31 | Bryce_Leo | lol |
| 02:36.33 | hozer | anyone using gplhost? |
| 02:39.25 | Bryce_Leo | hoser not me |
| 02:40.06 | leppoc | lol Arachnid :) |
| 02:43.27 | leppoc | If you want to refer someone, do it for Arachnid: he made more work than me on openmoko... |
| 02:43.45 | leppoc | (easy, I have not done anything yet ;) ) |
| 02:44.01 | leppoc | (still trying to setup everything) |
| 02:44.23 | Arachnid | leppoc: Actually, that's not true - I haven't really done anything but pontificate yet either :P |
| 02:44.34 | leppoc | lol |
| 02:44.47 | Bryce_Leo | lol i wrote a now out-dated crash cource because of 2007.2 |
| 02:44.58 | leppoc | I think that my make setup is finally runing :) |
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| 02:46.04 | Bryce_Leo | alrighty guys i must be off, thanks for the suggestions! |
| 02:46.36 | leppoc | Have fun |
| 02:46.49 | Bryce_Leo | c ya! |
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| 02:49.18 | leppoc | someone knows which version of monotone is required to run under xoo ? |
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| 02:53.03 | sagacis | What modules do we need to load to access the microsSD card? |
| 02:54.18 | xzcvczxx | sagacis: none |
| 02:54.25 | xzcvczxx | should already be in /media/card |
| 02:54.28 | xzcvczxx | try df -h |
| 02:54.33 | anthony_ | can anyone point me to how to load modules into the neo |
| 02:54.35 | xzcvczxx | and see whether its mounted |
| 02:54.37 | sagacis | Grrr. I flashed to a new kernel and the device isn't there |
| 02:54.44 | sagacis | lsmod shows NO modules loaded |
| 02:54.51 | sagacis | It's not mounted |
| 02:54.54 | sagacis | No driver |
| 02:54.58 | xzcvczxx | sagacis: oh my bad sorry |
| 02:55.07 | sagacis | No problem |
| 02:55.11 | xzcvczxx | sagacis: did you use default kernel config |
| 02:55.24 | xzcvczxx | anthony_: what module/s are you wanting |
| 02:55.56 | sagacis | I'm using ipkg to load them, but it doesn't seem to link dependencies... |
| 02:56.39 | anthony_ | uhh i downloaded modules-2.6.21.6-moko11-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.tgz .... not quite sure what they do someone like 2 -3 hours ago said it was a good one |
| 02:56.56 | sagacis | Found it: kernel-module-s3cmci |
| 02:57.21 | sagacis | That's the one I'm using |
| 02:57.54 | xzcvczxx | where is the moko11 stuff? |
| 02:58.25 | anthony_ | i have no clue... |
| 02:58.37 | sagacis | Lotsa places. You should be able to install from ipkg (although I flashed the .bin) |
| 02:59.04 | anthony_ | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ |
| 02:59.06 | xzcvczxx | oh ok so there are no built moko11's |
| 02:59.40 | anthony_ | sagacis you were telling me that? |
| 02:59.47 | xzcvczxx | ah i see thanks anthony_ |
| 03:00.33 | sagacis | Yup |
| 03:00.53 | anthony_ | ok ill read up on ipkg, thanks |
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| 03:01.07 | sagacis | I added that path to my /etc/ipkg.conf file as a source |
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| 03:47.09 | arcanericky | Quiet 2nite. |
| 03:50.28 | sagacis | We're all building and flashing... |
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| 03:53.02 | moko-bunn1 | sagacis: 2007.2 ? |
| 03:55.08 | sagacis | I'm trying to get the image working on qemu first |
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| 03:55.57 | sagacis | I keep getting "s3c_adc_write: Bad register 0x8" |
| 03:56.15 | arcanericky | How are you building 2007.2? |
| 03:56.34 | sagacis | I'm using the images from http://people.openmoko.org/alphaone/images/ |
| 03:57.15 | arcanericky | Oh. I thought you were compiling it up yourself. |
| 03:57.58 | sagacis | Not yet. Maybe in a few minutes, using http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 |
| 04:00.37 | sagacis | I got the same bad register on both images in qemu using the uboot and uImage from the alphaone site |
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| 04:03.53 | Mukunda | How do you bring up the onscreen keyboard on openmoko? |
| 04:09.48 | notuniq | Mukunda, click on the grey rectangle near the top left corner |
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| 04:11.10 | notuniq | Mukunda, you can change the mode, i think by clicking on the top right of the grey box |
| 04:12.39 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03werner * r2628 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/boot-menu.patch: |
| 04:12.39 | CIA-24 | openmoko: common/bootmenu.c:do_option, bootmenu_hook: renamed variable "aux" to "next" |
| 04:12.39 | CIA-24 | openmoko: common/bootmenu.c, include/bootmenu.h, board/neo1973/common/bootmenu.c: added |
| 04:12.39 | CIA-24 | openmoko: setup items "next_key_action" and "enter_key_name" allow for board-specific |
| 04:12.39 | CIA-24 | openmoko: boot menu instructions |
| 04:13.06 | leppoc | someone knows about this kind of errors, while running the first make setup: |
| 04:13.09 | leppoc | monotone: error: database schema 48fd5d84f1e5a949ca093e87e5ac558da6e5956d is unknown; cannot perform migration |
| 04:13.26 | leppoc | can it be related to a 64 bit computer ? |
| 04:13.40 | notuniq | what command are you running? |
| 04:13.53 | leppoc | make setup |
| 04:14.13 | leppoc | it comes just after downloading http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE.mtn.bz2 |
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| 04:16.16 | notuniq | that's odd |
| 04:17.16 | notuniq | it's the mokomakefile right? |
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| 04:17.57 | leppoc | well, I am following the tutorial on |
| 04:17.59 | leppoc | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 04:18.10 | leppoc | I haven't touched the makefile |
| 04:22.34 | notuniq | oh, i get the same error now when i try the migrate db step. i haven't used the mokomakefile |
| 04:23.29 | notuniq | well, different long number, but same words |
| 04:24.21 | leppoc | ok. any idea on what should I/we do ? |
| 04:26.19 | notuniq | i'm afraid i can't figure it out, and i'm dead tired so i have to go to sleep soon |
| 04:26.43 | leppoc | Anyway, I'm going home, to try on my computer. |
| 04:26.50 | leppoc | hehe :) no problem |
| 04:27.04 | leppoc | have a good night ! |
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| 04:27.26 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973]] |
| 04:27.31 | notuniq | i just downloaded the md5sum of the OE.mtn.bz2 file |
| 04:27.52 | notuniq | it doesn't match the one i had before |
| 04:28.29 | notuniq | but i don't think that has anything to do with it |
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| 04:31.47 | quinton | well, good luck |
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| 04:35.19 | rtm_ | The ARM in the neo is little endian, right? |
| 04:56.29 | Richard_ | right |
| 04:56.43 | rtm_ | Thanks! |
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| 05:15.39 | Linux_Galore | hmm nice phone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW07tCAQ9Ow |
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| 05:48.04 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all, anyone in a 2.6.22 kernel? |
| 05:48.51 | mdt | Sup3rkiddo, on a neo? |
| 05:49.46 | Sup3rkiddo | mdt, no on the host, i am looking to enable that CDC_ETHER but am stuck...usb_add gadget:1 returns a not found |
| 05:50.20 | mdt | Sup3rkiddo, i tried that to but my debian-kernel missed a module |
| 05:51.12 | Sup3rkiddo | mdt, have you gotten it working yet?, config-host has 1 for building against gadgetfs |
| 05:51.56 | mdt | no, i havent' - i got my neo yesterday and lost interest in it ;) |
| 05:52.20 | Sup3rkiddo | mdt, aargh!... |
| 05:52.37 | mdt | Sup3rkiddo, and: qemu was incredible slow |
| 05:53.07 | Sup3rkiddo | mdt, yup, "incredibly"...but i got no choice till my baby arrives |
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| 05:58.34 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03werner * r2629 10/developers/werner/neocon/ (. Makefile README neocon.c): A simple interface for tty devices that pop in and out of existence. |
| 05:59.59 | mdt | Sup3rkiddo, so when will that be? |
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| 06:07.09 | Sup3rkiddo | mdt, my order is in the second batch |
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| 06:09.54 | Sup3rkiddo | looks like cdc_ether has been changed to g_ether?...or i am on crack |
| 06:12.27 | mdt | Sup3rkiddo, ah, i see, so you get much better hardware than we do... ;) |
| 06:13.05 | Sup3rkiddo | mdt, ?, kidding me....i meant the mid-august batch |
| 06:13.07 | mdt | Sup3rkiddo, no, it's still called cdc_... here (2.6.22 kernel( |
| 06:13.36 | mdt | Sup3rkiddo, shure, i know - was a joke to make the wait time shorter... |
| 06:13.55 | mdt | Sup3rkiddo, where do you stay? |
| 06:14.05 | Sup3rkiddo | mdt, bah..can you show me the part of the .config that has that? |
| 06:14.27 | mdt | wait a second |
| 06:14.46 | mdt | it says: CONFIG_USB_NET_CDC_SUBSET=m |
| 06:15.16 | Sup3rkiddo | mdt, thanks mate...will take a look |
| 06:15.46 | mdt | but the neo is strange: did not ask for a pin but the dialer startet to dial ;) |
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| 06:16.59 | mdt | oh, this time it does! wow... |
| 06:17.09 | Sup3rkiddo | man, that config option is so not there!! |
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| 06:17.52 | mdt | Sup3rkiddo, kernel? |
| 06:18.07 | Sup3rkiddo | mdt, 2.6.22-r1, gentoo |
| 06:18.58 | mdt | hm, don't know if 2.6.22 got that |
| 06:19.13 | mdt | oups... |
| 06:19.22 | mdt | sry, misread something |
| 06:19.33 | mdt | (should not do more than one thing here) |
| 06:20.41 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm...rc-4 had that...bad day today |
| 06:21.02 | mdt | is it documented in Docu.../*? |
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| 06:27.46 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[Category:Distributions]] [[Angstrom_on_Neo1973]] [[Category:OpenMoko]] [[P1_Owners]] [[USB_Networking]] |
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| 06:35.05 | wehttamb | counter |
| 06:35.05 | aloril | Got it! (1792;252) |
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| 06:50.42 | mdt | hm, does someone know if the neo has another ip than 192.168.0.202 in the actual image? i don't get it there... |
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| 06:53.27 | deepank | mdt: you can give it any ip you want. |
| 06:54.23 | mdt | deepank, you are joking |
| 06:54.59 | mdt | deepank, how do i give something an ip where i can't login? :D |
| 06:55.41 | deepank | mdt: ok you were talking about the image. |
| 06:56.01 | mdt | deepank, no, about a neo with an image ;) |
| 06:56.25 | mdt | deepank, but i solved it - i had two devices attached and looked at the wrong if |
| 06:56.32 | mdt | it /has/ ...202 |
| 06:57.22 | deepank | mdt: ok |
| 06:57.39 | blindcoder | moin |
| 06:58.03 | mrface | moin moin |
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| 07:59.00 | ml8128 | Hello, i've followed the procedure in Flashing_openmoko but can't get the device into DFU Mode... dfu-util still see it as in runtime mode |
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| 08:05.40 | ml8128 | nevermind, it switches to dfu when starting download |
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| 08:22.20 | Sup3rkiddo | gadget_attach: warning: failed to open gadgetfs: -13 is this normal |
| 08:28.06 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973/fr]] [[Main_Page]] |
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| 09:00.59 | sunkist | hello all |
| 09:01.38 | sunkist | anyone doing translation work? |
| 09:03.56 | saaib | sunkist, I kind of started slowly |
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| 09:35.07 | Linux_Galore | ello ello moko nuts |
| 09:36.01 | mbuf | cdc_ether should be loaded on host PC for USB networking to work? |
| 09:37.20 | Sup3rkiddo | me, having problems with that as well |
| 09:37.32 | sannes | mbuf: Yes, then you should have an usb0 device that you can set an ip on .. |
| 09:38.14 | mbuf | sannes, i see only g_ether.ko |
| 09:39.03 | Sup3rkiddo | mbuf, cdc_ether is under that Multi-purpose USB Networking Framework thingy...wiki seems to be wrong |
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| 09:39.52 | Sup3rkiddo | sannes, did a usb_add gadget:1, get a warning like this gadget_attach: warning: failed to open gadgetfs: -1 |
| 09:40.05 | Sup3rkiddo | s/-1/-13 |
| 09:40.15 | Sup3rkiddo | is that normal? |
| 09:41.51 | mbuf | Sup3rkiddo, it is under kernel/net |
| 09:41.52 | sannes | well, I havn't used usb_add .. |
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| 09:42.57 | sannes | I just plugin the openmoko into a corretly setup kernel with cdc_ether |
| 09:43.15 | Sup3rkiddo | sannes, oh but i dont have usb0, and i dont have the neo yet...using qemu |
| 09:44.23 | sannes | oh, in that case .. heh, I misread.. have not tested that |
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| 09:45.20 | Sup3rkiddo | mbuf, Device Drivers > Network Device Support > USB Network Adapters > Multipurpose framework > CDC |
| 09:45.20 | mbuf | Sup3rkiddo, debian 2.6.18-4-686 doesn't have cdc_ether module |
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| 09:46.35 | Sup3rkiddo | mbuf, CONFIG_USB_NET_CDCETHER=m under USB network adaptors |
| 09:48.42 | Sup3rkiddo | mbuf, i think g_ether is under usbgets |
| 09:48.48 | Sup3rkiddo | *usb gadgets |
| 09:49.21 | mbuf | Sup3rkiddo, that is for USB device, not for host PC |
| 09:49.22 | mdt | is this normal: |
| 09:49.23 | mdt | root@fic-gta01:~$ fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 09:49.23 | mdt | Unable to read /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 09:49.23 | mdt | ? |
| 09:49.41 | mbuf | mdt, no |
| 09:49.48 | mdt | i need ext2 on the micro-sd but can't create a ext2 filesystem there |
| 09:50.33 | mdt | mbuf, what can that be? sd defect? |
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| 09:50.58 | mdt | mbuf, i mean the way to put it in the phone is somehow... hm. nothing for big fingers |
| 09:51.00 | mbuf | mdt, can you mount the device first? check if you have the mmc drivers loaded from lsmod output |
| 09:51.10 | mdt | mbuf, no,it does not mount |
| 09:51.25 | mbuf | mdt, they clearly said it is a developer phone :) |
| 09:51.50 | mdt | mbuf, so developers are meant to have fine small fingers? |
| 09:52.18 | mdt | ;) just joking. shure u are right but access to the card from outside would be state of the art... |
| 09:52.52 | mbuf | mdt, what is output of /sbin/lsmod | grep mmc |
| 09:53.11 | mdt | mbuf, nothing, but a s3cmci ist loaded |
| 09:53.24 | mdt | is s3cmci repsonsible for mmc? |
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| 09:54.52 | mdt | mbuf, i flashed the current image. there is no mmc.ko in it |
| 09:55.46 | mbuf | mdt, i have s3cmci.ko loaded |
| 09:55.56 | mdt | me too |
| 09:56.52 | mbuf | mdt, i don't have any mmcblk entries in /dev |
| 09:57.13 | mdt | mbuf, i think they appear if you insert the card |
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| 09:57.58 | mbuf | mdt, let me try, hold on |
| 09:58.07 | mdt | in fstab i see: |
| 09:58.07 | mdt | # microSD slot |
| 09:58.08 | mdt | /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/c......... |
| 09:58.19 | mdt | that's where i got the device from |
| 09:59.59 | sunkist | my microsd makes the device unable to boot |
| 10:00.06 | sunkist | anyone has that prb? |
| 10:01.03 | mdt | sunkist, no, booting works fine with it here... |
| 10:01.25 | mdt | perhaps these sd's are somehow damaged? |
| 10:02.32 | kristian-m | mdt can't you try it with your host system? - with a camera or something? |
| 10:03.01 | mdt | no, have no adapter here... :/ |
| 10:04.20 | mbuf | mdt, which side of the SD-card goes in? |
| 10:04.43 | mbuf | mdt, i mean microSD |
| 10:04.56 | mdt | the contacts are to the middle of the device |
| 10:05.11 | mdt | and away from you |
| 10:05.22 | mdt | if you look at the back of the device |
| 10:05.33 | mdt | there is a video at google showing how to insert... |
| 10:06.02 | mbuf | mdt, that was not very clear |
| 10:06.19 | mbuf | mdt, ok, got it |
| 10:06.48 | mdt | mbuf, i had that same problem yesterday, hopefully this gets better with the next release |
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| 10:07.59 | mdt | 'that was not very clear': you meant me or the video (at http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-8343770443102960945)? |
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| 10:10.40 | mdt | mbuf, so did the devices apear |
| 10:10.41 | mdt | ? |
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| 10:12.44 | mdt | just found another micro-sd... wait a second ;) |
| 10:13.01 | ScaredyCat | s/chanel/channel/ |
| 10:16.17 | mdt | hm, yes, it mounts the other one. but fdisk still cant' read the partition. probably 'normal'? |
| 10:16.47 | jipi | has anyone faced problem of copying a list of files to neo /media/card and suddenly it has input/output error? |
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| 10:17.53 | mdt | jipi, will tell u in a second - do you use rsync or scp? |
| 10:18.29 | jipi | mdt: i use scp |
| 10:19.02 | mdt | how much do u copy? |
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| 10:19.46 | jipi | mdt:around 48MByte |
| 10:19.56 | mdt | okay, copy starts... |
| 10:20.01 | mdt | it's about 200M |
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| 10:21.28 | jipi | mdt: i could ask neo to remount thru modprobe -r s3cmci;modprobe s3mci |
| 10:21.44 | jipi | mdt: sorry s3cmci |
| 10:21.52 | Sup3rkiddo | mbuf, had any luck, i just ssh'd into the qemu image |
| 10:22.12 | ScaredyCat | finally got home... got my neo... |
| 10:22.24 | jipi | ScaredyCat: congrats! |
| 10:22.32 | ScaredyCat | first thing... screen res seems way to high for its size... |
| 10:22.55 | mdt | jipi, works fine here... |
| 10:23.04 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, CAN I HAS UR NEO |
| 10:23.08 | ScaredyCat | flashed it all, no problems (dunno what all the fuss is about) |
| 10:23.13 | ScaredyCat | Sup3rkiddo: No |
| 10:23.14 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 10:23.26 | Sup3rkiddo | ==( |
| 10:23.31 | jipi | mdt: i copied multiple files totaling 48Mbyte. Maybe I try a big file |
| 10:23.43 | ScaredyCat | opensuse automatically detects the neo as a network device..... |
| 10:23.53 | ScaredyCat | allows you to configgle it... |
| 10:23.57 | ScaredyCat | excellent stuff |
| 10:25.21 | thomasg | how can I create a rootfs-image and the kernel-uImage using mokomoakefile? |
| 10:25.32 | mdt | jipi, i copy many, many files... no problem till now |
| 10:26.32 | ScaredyCat | it does it when you build thomasg |
| 10:26.38 | jipi | mdt: ok. i try to see if i can always replicate. and i'll try it from another PC. |
| 10:26.48 | ScaredyCat | it'll only rebuild if it hasn't changed I guess |
| 10:27.03 | thomasg | ScaredyCat, and where can I find the images? |
| 10:27.22 | ScaredyCat | $OMDIR/build/deploy/images |
| 10:27.28 | ScaredyCat | $OMDIR/build/tmp/deploy/images |
| 10:27.37 | thomasg | there is no deploy in build directly, but tmp is there |
| 10:27.54 | ScaredyCat | use th 2nd one |
| 10:28.03 | ScaredyCat | first one i missed the tmp |
| 10:28.18 | ScaredyCat | $OMDIR/build/tmp/deploy/images/ |
| 10:28.21 | mdt | jipi, oups, you are right - i got some io error now... |
| 10:28.26 | thomasg | ok, thx ScaredyCat |
| 10:28.30 | ScaredyCat | np |
| 10:28.34 | mdt | jipi, perhaps the sd card driver is buggy? |
| 10:28.46 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Hardware:NearlyTouchScreen]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Talk:Main_Page]] [[Main_Page/fr]] [[Main_Page]] [[Neo1973/fr]] |
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| 10:36.46 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: SPI signal accessibility? |
| 10:37.11 | jipi | mdt: oh! you got it? |
| 10:37.34 | jipi | mdt: i wonder who is assigned. let me look at the bug db. |
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| 10:38.19 | mdt | jipi, i have the problem that i can't do a fdisk on that dev... |
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| 10:41.01 | mdt | is ipkg usable right now? i mean is it the way to upgrade the system or is flashing the right way? |
| 10:42.39 | jipi | mdt: i'll try that out too. |
| 10:42.50 | Sup3rkiddo | if i dial a number from the qemu, i should get what is equivalent to a busy line..right? |
| 10:46.44 | mdt | the installed /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf has a non-working url. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Ipkg mentiones 2 urls which seem to bee quiet outdated. is there any newer source avaiable? |
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| 10:52.38 | C7 | mdt: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/ipk/ |
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| 10:59.22 | mdt | C7, thnx! |
| 11:01.23 | mdt | strange, i don't understand ipkg: i used that url and do a search python but nothing apears... what's wrong? |
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| 11:01.49 | C7 | mdt: you could put something like this (http://www.pastebin.ca/645273) in /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf |
| 11:03.26 | mdt | hm, still no python |
| 11:03.57 | C7 | mdt: ipkg list | grep python |
| 11:04.04 | mdt | but an upgrade downloads stuff |
| 11:04.36 | mdt | is 'upgrade' a good idea? |
| 11:07.35 | C7 | mdt: i would say so |
| 11:07.48 | mdt | i can tell you soon ;) |
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| 11:15.44 | ScaredyCat | mdt: was it you having problems copying files to the memory card? |
| 11:15.47 | mdt | C7, thnx alot, it still works ;) |
| 11:15.56 | mdt | ScaredyCat, yes, me too |
| 11:16.04 | mdt | my first problem was to fdisk it |
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| 11:16.15 | ScaredyCat | what can I do to reproduce it... |
| 11:16.18 | mdt | i would prefere ext2 on it and was unable to do so |
| 11:16.27 | mdt | scp many, many files to it |
| 11:16.36 | mdt | or do a fdisk /dev/m... |
| 11:16.36 | ScaredyCat | ok... will do |
| 11:16.40 | ScaredyCat | many small ones? |
| 11:16.59 | mdt | ScaredyCat, no, not nec. |
| 11:17.15 | ScaredyCat | k... mp3s would be ok then |
| 11:17.31 | mdt | think so |
| 11:17.43 | mdt | i copied a python bin into it |
| 11:18.02 | mdt | (need python 2.5 :D ) |
| 11:19.05 | mdt | does fdisk work for u? |
| 11:20.08 | ScaredyCat | copied 10 already |
| 11:20.13 | mdt | oups - i did a ipkg update and my sdcard is gone |
| 11:20.21 | mdt | there is no /dev/mmcblk0p1 anymore |
| 11:20.37 | mdt | ScaredyCat, wait, took some time for me too |
| 11:20.39 | ScaredyCat | just cp'ing -r music / |
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| 11:21.08 | ScaredyCat | scp: /media/card//Counting Crows/Recovering the Satellites: Input/output error |
| 11:21.08 | ScaredyCat | scp: /media/card//Counting Crows/This Desert Life: Input/output error |
| 11:21.15 | mdt | yes |
| 11:21.18 | mdt | see dmesg |
| 11:21.37 | mdt | can u please try a fdisk? (does not destroy anything) |
| 11:22.17 | ScaredyCat | usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 27 |
| 11:22.17 | ScaredyCat | usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 28 |
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| 11:22.32 | mdt | ScaredyCat, on the device? |
| 11:24.06 | ScaredyCat | ok.. no |
| 11:24.31 | mdt | C7 the upgrade was fine but installed kernel modules for 2.6.21.6 while kernel is 2.6.21.3 - where do i get the right kernel? |
| 11:24.31 | ScaredyCat | ca't fdisk |
| 11:24.40 | mdt | ScaredyCat, strange. |
| 11:24.46 | mdt | what kernel do u use? |
| 11:24.59 | ScaredyCat | chooseopen |
| 11:25.32 | ScaredyCat | uImage-2.6.21.6-moko10-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin |
| 11:26.17 | C7 | mdt: or http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin |
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| 11:29.07 | mdt | is there any directfb port for the neo? is someone also interested? |
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| 11:31.40 | mdt | u-boot rocks... wow |
| 11:32.12 | jipi | ScaredyCat: do a modprobe -r s3cmci;modprobe s3cmci |
| 11:32.37 | jipi | ScaredyCat: it shd recover. but its still a bug that need to be fixed. might be a driver problem |
| 11:33.31 | mdt | strange, the new kernel behaves different: the dev is mounted, fdisk works but show no partition |
| 11:35.13 | mdt | okay, sry, the device /had/ no partition. verything fine now with fdisk/mkext2fs. will now try to copy files |
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| 11:39.37 | mdt | no, it does not work: even ls gives strange error messages |
| 11:39.43 | SpeedEvil | How do I tell my APN? |
| 11:39.49 | SpeedEvil | For GPRS |
| 11:40.25 | mjr | you basically ask the provider... |
| 11:40.37 | mjr | oh, or how do you tell it to the chip :) |
| 11:40.43 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 11:40.53 | SpeedEvil | I have a SIM - is it stored there? |
| 11:41.02 | mjr | I don't think so |
| 11:41.42 | mjr | around here the operators generally send out configuration SMSs that some/most/whatever phones support, they probably wouldn't do that if they could just store on sim |
| 11:41.45 | mjr | but not sure |
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| 11:42.04 | mdt | see here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS |
| 11:42.18 | mjr | (of course, the sim _could_ have a preinserted configuration sms... |
| 11:42.49 | mdt | at+cgdcont= is the at-command for that |
| 11:43.24 | SpeedEvil | What - to read the SMSs? |
| 11:43.51 | mjr | we get back to "basically ask the provider" |
| 11:44.00 | SpeedEvil | Or google :) |
| 11:46.13 | mdt | SpeedEvil, which provider, which country? |
| 11:46.24 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile, UK |
| 11:47.45 | mdt | probably general.t-mobile.uk |
| 11:47.57 | mdt | gw 149.254.1.10 |
| 11:48.10 | SpeedEvil | yeah - that was what google said I think - I haven't really looked. |
| 11:48.11 | SpeedEvil | Thanks |
| 11:48.20 | SpeedEvil | I have free data for 10 days. |
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| 11:48.35 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone have a binary for bittorrent? :) |
| 11:48.36 | mdt | wow, speed up, evil... :D |
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| 11:52.24 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 11:53.17 | SpeedEvil | It turns out the cheapest way to get internet that I've found so far is to A) Buy cheap PAYG phone on t-mobile, with a PAYG SIM. Put PAYG SIM in PAYG mobile box, ebay. Use free 10 days. repeat. |
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| 11:59.36 | SpeedEvil | I has a IP! |
| 11:59.58 | ScaredyCat | gprs? |
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| 12:01.07 | SpeedEvil | 64 bytes from 140.211.166.2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=1270.1 ms |
| 12:01.07 | SpeedEvil | 64 bytes from 140.211.166.2: icmp_seq=2 ttl=51 time=840.2 ms |
| 12:01.16 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. Not _too_ bad. |
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| 12:01.26 | SpeedEvil | --- 140.211.166.2 ping statistics --- |
| 12:01.26 | SpeedEvil | 22 packets transmitted, 22 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 12:01.26 | SpeedEvil | round-trip min/avg/max = 605.2/800.9/1905.1 ms |
| 12:02.29 | hhf423 | gprs or something else? |
| 12:02.57 | SpeedEvil | gprs |
| 12:02.58 | mjr | sure sounds like gprs |
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| 12:05.35 | ScaredyCat | dagnabit! |
| 12:05.36 | ScaredyCat | Please type 'yes' or 'no': yes |
| 12:05.36 | ScaredyCat | Warning: Permanently added '140.211.166.2' (RSA) to the list of known hosts. |
| 12:05.36 | ScaredyCat | Permission denied (publickey). |
| 12:05.42 | ScaredyCat | >:) |
| 12:05.58 | hhf423 | hahaha, now the guy going to pay import duty, after flaming, and hank thinks its admitting an error |
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| 12:12.46 | aloril | (script) planet: Harald "LaF0rge" Welte: Progress with the new OpenMoko and FIC Mobility office http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/08/04#20070804-new_office_progress |
| 12:13.28 | rwhitby | FIC Mobility. Nice. |
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| 12:14.42 | ScaredyCat | well, surely he wouldn't pay VAT if he was importing 50000 units hhf423.. because, he'd be a company, with a reg'd VAT no |
| 12:15.03 | jgm | ScaredyCat: are you trying to access projects.openmoko.org? |
| 12:15.18 | ScaredyCat | not right now... why? |
| 12:15.38 | jgm | Ah okay don't worry just saw that permission denied message and thought you were |
| 12:16.11 | ScaredyCat | jgm: probably cos my browser forgot my password... |
| 12:16.17 | ScaredyCat | was for the wiki tho |
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| 12:17.37 | GPRSevil | Whee! |
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| 12:18.01 | ml8128 | rwhitby: is it worth to update u-boot for a P1 ? I have that "shutdown after 30sec" bug when in the menu, have to keep pressing AUX |
| 12:18.03 | GPRSevil | Via telnet on the phone with GPRS. |
| 12:18.10 | SpeedEvil | I'm having problems :) |
| 12:18.37 | rwhitby | ml8128: I can't answer that for you, unless you have access to a Debug Board. |
| 12:18.38 | SpeedEvil | A nice client would be good. |
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| 12:19.32 | mjr | for a second there I thought that you were actually telnetting to a host where you run irc, instead of sshing |
| 12:19.57 | mjr | which, you know, would be uncharacteristically dumb :] |
| 12:20.01 | GPRSevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.12 | ml8128 | rwhitby: yes, i have one, guess i should give it a try |
| 12:20.25 | GPRSevil | I |
| 12:20.28 | mjr | yeah, but telnetting apparently directly to an irc server |
| 12:20.44 | rwhitby | ml8128: if you have a debug board, then you should. |
| 12:20.46 | mjr | which is just fun geekiness, not stupid steal-my-password behaviour |
| 12:20.58 | mjr | and I see the characteristic : forgetting ;) |
| 12:21.03 | GPRSevil | could in principle do this on the phone - but - on-screen-keyboard. |
| 12:21.20 | ml8128 | rwhitby: but i've read on the wiki that dfu-util can't yet upload to the host pc, meaning i can't backup my working u-boot... |
| 12:21.49 | mjr | SpeedEvil, through gpsd or directly to gsm chip? |
| 12:21.56 | mjr | haven't yet tinkered with gprs myself |
| 12:21.59 | SpeedEvil | directly. |
| 12:22.08 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS |
| 12:22.14 | mjr | yeah, I thought I hadn't seen how to do it through gpsd |
| 12:22.18 | mjr | gsmd |
| 12:22.30 | SpeedEvil | There is work going on to make it work during a call. |
| 12:22.49 | rwhitby | ml8128: meh - I've never backed up anything. |
| 12:23.14 | mjr | during a call? pseudo-class A? |
| 12:23.43 | SpeedEvil | gllin was not on the P1 deliveries. |
| 12:23.48 | SpeedEvil | mjr: yes |
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| 12:23.56 | SpeedEvil | multiplexing |
| 12:23.56 | mjr | SpeedEvil, that would be nice indeed |
| 12:23.57 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: I have a pre-P1 |
| 12:24.54 | ml8128 | rwhitby: i'm a backup phreak :P Is the u-boot shipped with the P1 downloadable somewhere ? |
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| 12:27.06 | rwhitby | ml8128: I just flashed the one that mokomakefile just built, and it worked fine. |
| 12:28.26 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[UI_Improvements]] [[Talk:Screen_Grabber]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Package_management]] [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] |
| 12:28.54 | ml8128 | ok, i'll give it a try then |
| 12:29.09 | rwhitby | u-boot-gta01bv4-r11_b1b54e352028ed370c3aa95d6fdeb9d64c5d2f86_0_2628.bin |
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| 12:29.40 | rwhitby | along with uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin and openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070804111936.rootfs.jffs2 (all just built in the last hour) |
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| 12:31.47 | ml8128 | i have openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070803091320.rootfs.jffs2 and uImage-2.6.21.6-moko11-r1_0_0_2388_0-fic-gta01.bin, i'll flash u-boot-gta01bv4-r11_b1b54e352028ed370c3aa95d6fdeb9d64c5d2f86_0_2375.bin |
| 12:32.15 | ml8128 | compilation failed today, didn't check yet why |
| 12:34.35 | ml8128 | uh.. downloading u-boot prints "DFU TRAILER NOT OK" on the moko.... |
| 12:34.57 | ScaredyCat | yay om2007.2 installed |
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| 12:35.33 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: done the "flick the list" dance yet? |
| 12:35.35 | noon | hello |
| 12:35.58 | ScaredyCat | very soon rwhitby :) |
| 12:36.26 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: SPI signal accessibility? |
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| 12:41.47 | ewon | hmm, those bluetooth watches look interesting |
| 12:42.03 | ewon | shows called ID on a little OLED display, lets you reject calls |
| 12:42.23 | ewon | apparently only works properly with Sony Erricson phones, but I'm sure the moko is up to the task :) |
| 12:42.30 | ScaredyCat | size of a samll village |
| 12:42.34 | thomasg_ | ^^ |
| 12:42.48 | ScaredyCat | s/samll/small/ |
| 12:42.50 | thomasg_ | and the battery lasts one day |
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| 12:45.35 | DukeOfURL | good morning |
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| 12:46.14 | BryceLeo | good moring |
| 12:46.24 | ScaredyCat | now I have rwhitby :D |
| 12:46.41 | BryceLeo | lol you jacked his nick? |
| 12:46.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r2631 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer/src/ (9 files): Continued work on UI<->backend communication and gstreamer wrapping |
| 12:47.05 | ScaredyCat | no BryceLeo... |
| 12:47.23 | ScaredyCat | now I have done the 'flick the list' dance... |
| 12:47.24 | BryceLeo | ScaredyCat: lol then how do you have him? |
| 12:47.45 | ScaredyCat | you came in at the tail end |
| 12:47.46 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 12:47.56 | rwhitby | the tail end of ScaredyCat |
| 12:48.42 | daxxar | abraxa_: Sorry for not doing research, but openmoko-mediaplayer; what is it based on? |
| 12:48.46 | daxxar | (if anything) |
| 12:48.55 | ScaredyCat | heheh |
| 12:49.07 | abraxa_ | daxxar: I'm writing it from scratch |
| 12:49.20 | daxxar | abraxa_: Cool, what about decoding? Are you using any libs for that? |
| 12:49.23 | BryceLeo | DukeOfURL: which post from harald? |
| 12:49.23 | abraxa_ | It is however based on gstreamer if that's what you mean |
| 12:49.31 | daxxar | ah, gstreamer, right. |
| 12:49.44 | BryceLeo | nvm blog got it |
| 12:49.48 | daxxar | Shouldn't gstreamer codecs be optimized for neo1973, due to e.g. bad fp handling? |
| 12:49.56 | DukeOfURL | BryceLeo: http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/08/04#20070804-new_office_progress |
| 12:50.01 | BryceLeo | DukeOfURL: thanks |
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| 12:50.45 | abraxa_ | daxxar: I'm not sure if that's an issue or not, I'll look into that if performance on the actual device gives reason to do so :) |
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| 12:50.54 | daxxar | abraxa_: Right. :-) |
| 12:51.27 | daxxar | abraxa_: IMHO, one should look into that when it's a bit "finished" anyway, as better performance = less battery drain, right? :-) |
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| 12:51.40 | daxxar | abraxa_: (I'm not saying *you* should, but I mean, in general terms) |
| 12:52.51 | SpeedEvil | _all_ software should be. |
| 12:53.25 | SpeedEvil | If the software in general could run at 50MHz, not 266MHz, you would add quite a lot to battery life. |
| 12:54.28 | BryceLeo | SpeedEvil: but you know how peoples love them some interpreted languages |
| 12:54.39 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 12:56.00 | _buz | that david prior gui sure has some weird ideas |
| 12:57.13 | abraxa_ | daxxar: That is right, I just am not sure if 50Mhz will suffice even with integer-math gstreamer libs - time till tell |
| 12:57.41 | mdt | if you think of performance, wouldn't it be an improvement to drop X11 & gtk? |
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| 12:58.02 | abraxa_ | Of course but then you lack the flexibility OpenMoko aims to have |
| 12:58.04 | _buz | it might, but it would also mean writing almost all gui new |
| 12:58.18 | _buz | and you cant go about running fun stuff anymore |
| 12:58.28 | mdt | you have anyway because a desktop gui does not fit a mobile phone |
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| 12:58.48 | mdt | okay, i had fun today with my rxvt on the neo, u are right ;) |
| 12:58.51 | BryceLeo | _buz: if you've been using the OM foundation libs it'll all transfer over, if you've been doing themeed gtk you're sol |
| 12:59.44 | BryceLeo | that' certainly confuses me, mrxvt is a killer terminal why are we using gtkterm2 which can't even pickup a backspace right...... |
| 13:00.57 | kiney_ | counter? |
| 13:00.57 | aloril | Got it! (1793;252) |
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| 13:01.37 | kiney_ | hmm, how do I get the link to the counter-website now? I was used to copy and paste it from irc every time... |
| 13:01.55 | _buz | jeez, my flat is a mess, installed a new kitchen this week, incredible what dirt that produces |
| 13:02.51 | ml8128 | BryceLeo: agreed, i'd prefer rxvt-alike to gtkterm |
| 13:03.16 | BryceLeo | ml8128: haha i was starting to think that i was the only one |
| 13:03.26 | BryceLeo | ml8128 do you use yeahconsole? |
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| 13:03.39 | ml8128 | BryceLeo: yeahconsole ? |
| 13:04.00 | BryceLeo | ml8128: quake style drop down console, it's pretty sweet |
| 13:04.17 | BryceLeo | if you're on ubuntu/debian you can apt-get it |
| 13:05.31 | ml8128 | didn't know yeahconsole, thanks for the info. I used to use yakuake for that, but it's based on konsole which is WAY too heavy. |
| 13:06.02 | BryceLeo | ml8128: haha that's the same thing i started with, this is super light and doesn't leave screen artifacts like yakuake does |
| 13:06.08 | BryceLeo | well does occasionally |
| 13:06.28 | abraxa_ | kiney_: What counter website? |
| 13:07.11 | kiney_ | abraxa: the counte had wiki-page somewhere |
| 13:07.20 | kiney_ | but i can't find it again |
| 13:07.32 | abraxa_ | kiney_: What kind of information are you looking for? |
| 13:07.54 | kiney_ | release-date for Phase 1.5 |
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| 13:08.46 | abraxa_ | I'm not sure there will be a Phase 1.5 anymore |
| 13:09.00 | kiney_ | ok... good to know |
| 13:10.18 | abraxa_ | If you look at the roadmap you'll realize that the actual Phase 1 started when Phase 1.5 was supposed to start |
| 13:10.49 | kiney_ | that's true. I thought that every phase was delayed a bit... |
| 13:11.38 | ml8128 | BryceLeo: once i'll figure how to add apps to openmoko using bitbake i'll add xterm. also have to find out how to prevent apps from being built |
| 13:12.22 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2632 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-dfu.patch: |
| 13:12.22 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Changes to the 'tail erase' code for rootfs/jffs2 partition flashing: |
| 13:12.22 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * identify rootfs partition by its name, rather than hardcoded partition table index |
| 13:12.23 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * make debug messages indicate that they related to tail erase code |
| 13:12.23 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * fix bug in calculating the number of bytes that need to be erased (Closes: #419) |
| 13:12.25 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * fix ds->off calculation 'for consistency' (we want to be right with the consistency!) |
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| 13:15.03 | abraxa_ | kiney_: Actually, this question would be interesting to be posted on the hardware list |
| 13:15.11 | henla464_ | Anyone know how to add a menu entry to the application/main menu (upper left corner)? |
| 13:15.25 | henla464_ | would like to add a shortcut to a script there |
| 13:15.46 | kiney_ | k |
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| 13:16.13 | BryceLeo | ml8128: for now you an check out http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Application_Development_Crash_Course&redirect=no#Adding_Your_Application_to_the_Image |
| 13:16.51 | abraxa_ | henla464_: Don't bother with that, the menu is gone in 2007.2 |
| 13:17.27 | Dmtiry_Platonov | anybody have issues with flash.sh from qemu-neo1973? |
| 13:17.36 | BryceLeo | ml8128: as abraxa_ said, with the new release of 2007.2 a whole ton of things are gonna change, i'm presonally halting all work till then |
| 13:17.42 | henla464_ | ok, when is 2007.2 out? |
| 13:17.56 | BryceLeo | ml8128: and the first thing on my to-do list if they haven't fixed it will be that terrible f*ing keyboard they have |
| 13:18.32 | rwhitby | LaF0rge: here's a patch for dfu-util to make it work on big-endian machines |
| 13:18.35 | rwhitby | http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/optware/trunk/sources/dfu-util/fix-endianess.patch |
| 13:18.39 | abraxa_ | henla464_: Mickey is working hard to get it out the door so my personal guess is within the next 5~7 days |
| 13:19.38 | henla464_ | abraxa_: thanks. What are the main changes in 2007.2? |
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| 13:20.04 | Dmtiry_Platonov | henla464_, kinetic scrolling 8) |
| 13:20.49 | henla464_ | lol |
| 13:20.55 | abraxa_ | henla464_: If you want to be prepared for the change I'd suggest you switch to plain GTK instead of using libmokoui and friends |
| 13:21.02 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 684 has been created by rod(AT)whitby.id.au |
| 13:21.02 | cdbot2 | * * or endianness bug with transfer size |
| 13:21.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=684 |
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| 13:22.24 | BryceLeo | abraxa_: why's that? you mean they're not updating libmokoui etc? |
| 13:23.16 | abraxa_ | BryceLeo: They are, just revamping it by removing unnecessary UI items |
| 13:23.16 | mbuf | which directory is the microSD card mounted? i see /medid |
| 13:23.48 | cesarb | mbuf: /media/mmcblk0 or something like that |
| 13:24.07 | cesarb | mbuf: just do a "mount" or "cat /proc/mounts" ;-) |
| 13:24.26 | cesarb | _buz: harald wrote about it on his blog today |
| 13:24.55 | BryceLeo | abraxa_: so why not use it? most of the elements getting removed and changed aren't hard to work around |
| 13:25.18 | BryceLeo | abraxa_: i guess it's just a bit of personal preference? i don't mind working on a moving target and others might |
| 13:25.30 | mbuf | cesarb, cool; it is quite challenging to type in the keyboard, lol :) |
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| 13:26.36 | abraxa_ | BryceLeo: The point is that some essential items are removed (e.g. the wheel in the bottom left corner) so people shouldn't base their UI on those elements when developing new apps, having to restructure their UI when they notice what's happening |
| 13:28.04 | BryceLeo | abraxa_: i see what you mean, i never used that so it wasn't an issue for me, but i guess it will be a bit of a problem for osme |
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| 13:28.20 | thomasg_ | whats the openmoko-orange-colorcode? |
| 13:28.29 | mbuf | is there a control character to kill the process in terminal? |
| 13:28.41 | ewanm89mob | A request, anyone working on a text input system with prediction, please include c prediction, |
| 13:28.59 | cesarb | mbuf: Ctrl-C (aka SIGINT ;-) ) |
| 13:29.19 | mbuf | cesarb, from the touchscreen keyboard? |
| 13:29.37 | cesarb | mbuf: I heard there's a trick on the onscreen keyboard... |
| 13:29.55 | cesarb | mbuf: if you click on the small arrow to the right of the keyboard symbol at the top, a menu is supposed to appear |
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| 13:30.02 | mbuf | cesarb, the audio is crystal clear! awesome |
| 13:30.03 | cesarb | mbuf: to let you chose other keyboard modes |
| 13:30.33 | cesarb | (of course, knowing the broken keyboard symbol, the arrow would obviously be invisible) |
| 13:33.23 | rwhitby | Does anyone know if gllin works on the P0 devices? |
| 13:34.06 | cesarb | rwhitby: I see no reason why it wouldn't, the gps hardware didn't change... |
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| 13:36.44 | Kensan | FYI: my CC just got charged, so it seems that the next ~500 phones are getting preped for shipment. |
| 13:36.54 | SpeedEvil | #? |
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| 13:38.03 | aloril | kiney_: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter |
| 13:38.05 | henla464_ | cesarb: cool, never saw the options to select keyboard |
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| 13:38.25 | aloril | kiney_: though now that I have gotten my Neo1973 its probably going to be updated less often |
| 13:38.33 | henla464_ | but backspace isn't working the terminal for me |
| 13:38.41 | aloril | see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners instead |
| 13:39.47 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: 1872 (color orange) |
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| 13:40.11 | BryceLeo | henla464_: that's because gtkterm2 isn't in my opinion a good solution, it's just more rounded corners |
| 13:40.22 | BryceLeo | compile in mrxvt and you'll be all copacetic |
| 13:40.32 | cesarb | henla464_: backspace works, it just doesn't display correctly |
| 13:40.57 | henla464_ | cesarb: anyway to fix it? |
| 13:42.10 | cesarb | henla464_: either it's some $TERM mismatch or the terminal is buggy... of course it's fixable, the question is what the fix is |
| 13:43.02 | henla464_ | cesarb: :-) of course its fixable... |
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| 13:44.48 | kiney_ | aloril: thanks for the link |
| 13:45.56 | BryceLeo | Dmtiry_Platonov: did you just follow the wiki to build? |
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| 13:48.23 | Dmtiry_Platonov | BryceLeo, I used it as general guide. |
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| 13:50.28 | Dmtiry_Platonov | for some reason, I have DISTRO = angstrom it bitbake output, but I specified DISTRO = openmoko in local.conf |
| 13:51.17 | Dmtiry_Platonov | also, it shows angstrom logo during init (OM logo during kernel boot) |
| 13:51.42 | BryceLeo | Dmtiry_Platonov: OM is based off angstrom and they're still moving things over |
| 13:51.59 | BryceLeo | Dmtiry_Platonov: things like that should be sorted in a few days |
| 13:52.36 | Dmtiry_Platonov | BryceLeo, I see. It did not go much further, qemu locked or something so. |
| 13:52.58 | BryceLeo | Dmtiry_Platonov: that's a shame |
| 13:53.44 | Dmtiry_Platonov | I'd try OM-2007 images to check if my qemu is ok. |
| 13:55.25 | aloril | AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2700+: 13s |
| 13:55.27 | aloril | GTA01B_v04: 21s |
| 13:55.37 | aloril | for one sh script ;-) |
| 13:56.03 | aloril | (probably because true is internal for openmoko shell, while external for fedora) |
| 13:56.35 | aloril | actually... hmm |
| 13:56.36 | TobiX | aloril: It is? I was in the impression that true is even built-in for bash... |
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| 13:56.53 | TobiX | Or any other modern shell, that is... |
| 13:56.54 | aloril | root@fic-gta01:~$ ls -l /bin/true |
| 13:56.54 | aloril | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 Jan 1 1970 /bin/true -> busybox |
| 13:57.29 | Bryce|BknWdings | Dmtiry_Platonov: that's a good bet, i know alphaone has some up that have been verified working |
| 13:57.31 | aloril | 17044 Jun 5 2006 /bin/true |
| 13:57.31 | TobiX | aloril: That is not "built-in"... It is the same binary, but that says nothing about the builz-in-ness of the command |
| 13:57.46 | aloril | well maybe it is, but anyway not much speed difference |
| 13:57.48 | TobiX | $ type true |
| 13:57.48 | TobiX | true is a shell builtin |
| 13:58.07 | aloril | yeah, in both machines |
| 13:58.18 | aloril | so busybox is just so much faster than bash ;-) |
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| 13:58.42 | TobiX | aloril: No surprise there, ash is much smaller and feater-less then bash |
| 13:58.46 | aloril | for i in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 do for j in 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 do ... |
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| 13:59.06 | aloril | 6 loops ('count' to million) |
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| 13:59.24 | TobiX | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 682860 2006-12-11 22:20 /bin/bash |
| 13:59.24 | TobiX | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 85544 2007-07-21 12:24 /bin/dash |
| 13:59.46 | TobiX | The busybox-builtin-shell is almost the same as dash... |
| 14:01.04 | TobiX | Actually busybux has multiple built-in shells, but only ash does support enough scripting to not be a pain-in-the-ass for writing scripts ;) |
| 14:01.16 | henla464_ | i'm trying to get wget to work from the phone through my computer without luck. Any suggestions what needs to be done? |
| 14:02.09 | TobiX | ewanm89mob: ACK, but not for an embedded environment, where speed and size matters the most |
| 14:04.14 | ewanm89mob | Actually it runs rather well in emulation. |
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| 14:04.54 | TobiX | aloril: This is interesing (all done on my Sempron 2800+): |
| 14:04.56 | TobiX | bash /tmp/loops 7,38s user 0,06s system 94% cpu 7,852 total |
| 14:04.56 | TobiX | dash /tmp/loops 1,10s user 0,00s system 90% cpu 1,216 total |
| 14:04.57 | TobiX | zsh /tmp/loops 2,48s user 0,66s system 91% cpu 3,416 total |
| 14:05.09 | TobiX | Yupp, bash is bloated... |
| 14:05.12 | ewanm89mob | haven't an actual neo1973 to try it on. |
| 14:06.16 | ewanm89mob | bash does less at a greater cost than zsh. |
| 14:06.29 | TobiX | And that are just some for loops without any commands in between... |
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| 14:07.19 | aloril | that would be factor 11 slower for Neo1973 then, in another test it was 20x |
| 14:07.33 | TobiX | ewanm89mob: IIRC bash completion is a copy of zsh's first completion system... zsh is now at the third or forth... |
| 14:07.36 | aloril | well.. I had "true" in innermost loop ;-) |
| 14:07.56 | ewanm89mob | My try that test on my core2duo |
| 14:08.08 | TobiX | I have ":", the empty command :) |
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| 14:08.32 | tHe_IkkE | Hi there, I'm not sure if this is the right place to say this, but I would like to implement the openmoko-panel-profiles to switch audio-profiles. |
| 14:08.34 | TobiX | ewanm89mob: You want to parallize it? ;) |
| 14:08.39 | aloril | 11s vs 13s |
| 14:08.48 | tHe_IkkE | I would like to know if anyone is already working on this? |
| 14:08.48 | aloril | tHe_IkkE: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 14:09.12 | aloril | so ':' might be a bit faster than true (random other small load so might not be accurate) |
| 14:09.25 | ewanm89mob | It probably is (gentoo) |
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| 14:12.28 | TobiX | It makes almost no difference for dash or zsh, but I see the 2s difference for bash, too... |
| 14:12.58 | henla464_ | ok got the networking working properly now by following: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking (automatic method) |
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| 14:15.24 | aloril | tHe_IkkE: probably better ask at devel or framework list, seems nobody knows answer here (my guess is that nobody is working on it, but I don't know) |
| 14:15.47 | tHe_IkkE | Okay, I'll send a message to them. |
| 14:16.07 | tHe_IkkE | I received my phone and my hans are itching to start some programming :) |
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| 14:19.42 | Dmtiry_Platonov | how to tell bitbake remake kernel and u-boot images? |
| 14:21.02 | tHe_IkkE | You can clean images by using bitbake -c clean |
| 14:22.00 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2633 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/neod-main.c: neod: install watcher |
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| 14:22.50 | mbuf | what is the xrandr command options to view the GUI in landscape mode? |
| 14:24.36 | TobiX | --rotate left ? |
| 14:25.34 | TobiX | Maybe even --output --rotate left ... |
| 14:27.02 | TobiX | Ah, it must be --output <XID> --rotate left - but I really don't know how to get the XID... |
| 14:27.48 | Kensan | mbuf: afaik "xrandr --rotate left" should work. |
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| 14:28.21 | SpeedEvil | On a related topic. |
| 14:28.31 | SpeedEvil | I can ssh to the phone. |
| 14:28.39 | SpeedEvil | And start local apps with DISPLAY set to 0:0 |
| 14:28.46 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Norway]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] [[User_talk:THe_IkkE]] [[UI_Improvements]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Manually_using_GPRS]] |
| 14:28.55 | SpeedEvil | however, if I try to start apps on the display remotely, it does not work. |
| 14:28.59 | SpeedEvil | I have done 'xhost +' |
| 14:29.37 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, it is :0.0? |
| 14:29.38 | Dmtiry_Platonov | It's bacause neo runs kdrive? |
| 14:29.58 | SpeedEvil | No - :0 is socket - 0:0 is internet |
| 14:30.09 | ewanm89mob | XID would probably be :0 |
| 14:30.30 | SpeedEvil | Indeed - I'm trying to connect to 192.168.1.202:0 |
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| 14:30.48 | jgm | SpeedEvil: Are you using 'ssh -X' for X forwarding when you log in to the Neo? |
| 14:30.52 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 14:31.04 | SpeedEvil | I'm just wanting to connect directly. |
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| 14:31.12 | mjr | SpeedEvil, 192.168.0.202:0 ... |
| 14:31.22 | mjr | 'least with the default address |
| 14:31.24 | ewanm89mob | there be the problem |
| 14:31.30 | SpeedEvil | Why? |
| 14:31.37 | SpeedEvil | oh |
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| 14:31.50 | SpeedEvil | That was stupid. |
| 14:31.51 | mbuf | Kensan, any display parameter to be passed along with xrandr --rotate left? |
| 14:31.53 | SpeedEvil | Thanks! |
| 14:32.06 | ewanm89mob | It wouldn't be port 0 |
| 14:32.20 | SpeedEvil | It is. |
| 14:34.12 | Kensan | mbuf: it should "just work" (tm) |
| 14:34.35 | mbuf | Kensan, ok it was "xrandr -o left"; thanks |
| 14:35.04 | mbuf | but, is there any way, we can change the resolution, or should we change the font? |
| 14:35.25 | Kensan | mbuf: ic. Friend of mine used it to properly setup ScummVM ;) |
| 14:36.15 | aloril | SpeedEvil: ssh back to your machine, export DISPLAY=192.168.0.202:0.0 |
| 14:36.51 | SpeedEvil | aloril: yes - I had that working. |
| 14:36.58 | SpeedEvil | My problem was typoing the address. |
| 14:37.01 | aloril | ah, other way around |
| 14:37.53 | aloril | should probably add all "program in Neo1973, display PC; program in PC, display on Neo1973" stuff to wiki |
| 14:38.04 | SpeedEvil | I'm going to. |
| 14:38.09 | SpeedEvil | I'm just playing with FF first. |
| 14:38.36 | SpeedEvil | Works rather better rotated |
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| 14:40.52 | mdt | SpeedEvil, we discussed io-errors on scp earlier... i have ext2 now on the sd-card (problem was missing ext2 module) and have the same behavior. and: the automounter mount a partitioned sd-card whole-disk as vfat under /media/mmcblk0 - dont' know why |
| 14:41.11 | SpeedEvil | When do you get the io errors? |
| 14:41.19 | SpeedEvil | I've not seen any - with vfat |
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| 14:41.49 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, he was trying to use ext2 on the microSD card |
| 14:41.54 | mdt | i had those with vfat earlier and now also. it is after copying several files and disapears after |
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| 14:42.11 | mdt | mbuf, which works fine now... |
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| 14:42.58 | mbuf | mdt, ok |
| 14:43.19 | mdt | mbuf, problem was missing kernel module. forgot that ipkg spilts that |
| 14:44.22 | matthew_ | battery life improved yet? |
| 14:44.25 | mbuf | anybody here use Debian Etch for their host PC? |
| 14:45.13 | Kensan | mbuf: yes. |
| 14:45.16 | mdt | mbuf, uuuh, what is etch - unstable? |
| 14:45.23 | rwhitby | etch is stable 4.0 |
| 14:45.29 | mdt | ah, thnx |
| 14:46.13 | mbuf | i have 2.6.18-4-686 and it doesn't have cdc_ether by default; tried compiling new 2.6.22.1 kernel with fakeroot and it hangs at "Begin: waiting for root filesystem" |
| 14:47.13 | mdt | mbuf, why use fakeroot? |
| 14:47.38 | mbuf | did google around, but, tried yaird without success; trying 2.6.20 now; using this documentation: http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_debian_etch |
| 14:48.06 | SpeedEvil | matthew: Not yet. |
| 14:49.00 | mbuf | so if you don't have a laptop, and you are traveling with Neo1973, there is no way of charging it? |
| 14:49.08 | ewanm89mob | Easiest to compile kernel manually. |
| 14:49.28 | aloril | looking at wikipedia Neo1973 article on Firefox displayed on Neo1973 and laughing a bit at top note (though from consumer viewpoint it is true) |
| 14:49.33 | mdt | mbuf, there are charger around with an mini-usb connector. wondering if they work |
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| 14:49.36 | mbuf | ewanm89mob, kernel boots fine; its the initrd that is causing the problem |
| 14:49.44 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: it will charge - slowly - when off. |
| 14:50.13 | rwhitby | or just buy any number of after-market USB charging devices that can put out 1A. |
| 14:50.14 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if 'autofast' in u-boot will let it charge right. |
| 14:50.41 | mbuf | i see |
| 14:51.20 | ewanm89mob | Ah, no initrd makes life easier. (if possible) |
| 14:52.57 | SpeedEvil | when not in u-boot I mean. |
| 14:53.08 | mdt | rwhitby, do they work? i read a note that fic did not include a charger because they didn't find one usb-complient. |
| 14:53.09 | SpeedEvil | The power control chip manual is silly. |
| 14:53.13 | SpeedEvil | 136 pages. |
| 14:53.35 | SpeedEvil | mdt: There are _no_ standards compliant USB chargers. |
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| 14:53.51 | SpeedEvil | Simply because USB is not defined to work without being connected to a host. |
| 14:54.11 | mdt | SpeedEvil, exactly, so will a charger fry my neo? |
| 14:54.15 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 14:54.20 | ewanm89mob | so they tricked the chip? |
| 14:54.22 | SpeedEvil | It will simply not charge very fast. |
| 14:54.34 | SpeedEvil | The pcf* chip does not know about USB. |
| 14:55.01 | SpeedEvil | It has to be configured to either automatically, or under CPU control, to go to high-rate charge. |
| 14:55.23 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if the kernel resets the way it's setup. |
| 14:56.08 | aloril | hmm.. is there way to force fast charge when outside u-boot (except building modified kernel)? |
| 14:56.20 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. |
| 14:56.31 | SpeedEvil | I tried several methods - but they did not seem to work. |
| 14:57.05 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure if setting 'autofast' under u-boot, will persist when linux starts. |
| 14:57.11 | ml8128 | and is it possible to disable charging when using usb to sync files, ssh, ... ? |
| 14:57.24 | SpeedEvil | Why would you want to? |
| 14:57.31 | SpeedEvil | In principle. |
| 14:57.36 | SpeedEvil | Yes, the hardware supports this. |
| 14:57.37 | ml8128 | i'm afraid short charging cycles would kill the battery |
| 14:57.59 | ewanm89mob | soldering iron surgery might work. |
| 14:58.06 | SpeedEvil | It's not soldering iron. |
| 14:58.24 | SpeedEvil | From reading the datasheet, it seems to be completely doable over IRC. |
| 14:58.25 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 14:58.27 | SpeedEvil | I2C |
| 14:58.37 | aloril | there is way at hardware level: you need to modify cable (don't recall what wiki page told that or was it on IRC): need to add resistor to certain pin or something like that |
| 14:58.52 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if that is in fact implemented. |
| 14:59.13 | SpeedEvil | I'm going to get deeper into the PM stuff tonight. |
| 14:59.18 | aloril | anyway, modified kernel should work ... |
| 14:59.57 | aloril | best would be some kind of echo "force_fast" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/something ..? |
| 15:00.33 | aloril | even better if you could specify amperage (250mA or 500mA) |
| 15:00.45 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 15:00.48 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 15:01.00 | SpeedEvil | You can set the CPU voltage to 4.2V that way. |
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| 15:01.07 | SpeedEvil | This would be bad. |
| 15:01.33 | SpeedEvil | _DO_NOT_ screw with those files unless you are damn sure what they do. |
| 15:02.51 | Bryce|BknWdings | jees SpeedEvil you mean i shoudn't set my cpu voltage that high? but why not? i love frying gta01 internals!!!! |
| 15:02.54 | aloril | later post by harald sounds optimistic, for example they have found several competent people |
| 15:03.02 | ewanm89mob | obviously I should make sure/proc writes are root only. |
| 15:03.14 | Bryce|BknWdings | aloril i've no doubts they'll work it out |
| 15:03.22 | SpeedEvil | I note that it is possible to set the PLL to 300Mhz. |
| 15:03.41 | aloril | SpeedEvil: thanks for warning, was mainly looking at pcf50606_charge_fast function |
| 15:04.12 | aloril | anyway, reason I'm interested on 250mA too is that MintyBoost supports only up to that ;-) |
| 15:04.20 | SpeedEvil | And the CPU absolute max voltage is quite a bit higher than the nominal. |
| 15:04.24 | aloril | (according to its FAQ) |
| 15:04.53 | aloril | SpeedEvil: do you know why chgcur: 1733 ? (for example) |
| 15:05.07 | SpeedEvil | From my memory of the datasheet - no, it doesn't directly. |
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| 15:08.08 | SpeedEvil | You can do it indirectly I think. |
| 15:08.08 | SpeedEvil | On another topic. |
| 15:08.08 | SpeedEvil | Do 'points' on the touchscreen bounce around by 3 pixels or so in each direction? |
| 15:08.59 | aloril | yes, it looks like it, try drawing with any painting program |
| 15:09.05 | mjr | they do seem to bouch a bit yes |
| 15:10.36 | mickeyl | anyone fancy trying some things to dejitter ? |
| 15:10.48 | SpeedEvil | aloril: it has no correlation I can see with the battery shunt I've put in. |
| 15:11.00 | mickeyl | a) play with oversampling_shift |
| 15:11.13 | mickeyl | b) play with pressure reporting frequency |
| 15:11.19 | mickeyl | both in s3c2410_ts.c iirc |
| 15:11.24 | SpeedEvil | pressure reporting? |
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| 15:11.31 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 15:11.32 | mickeyl | ts |
| 15:11.40 | mickeyl | not pressure in parcitular |
| 15:11.53 | SpeedEvil | contact resistance? |
| 15:12.31 | sagacis | does anybody here have mrxvt as an ipkg compiled to save me a few minutes? |
| 15:12.50 | Bryce|BknWdings | sagacis lemme check |
| 15:14.14 | SpeedEvil | Me too. |
| 15:14.23 | SpeedEvil | I'd like to try to ipkg over GPRS |
| 15:15.02 | SpeedEvil | Anyone got gcc+binutils? :) |
| 15:17.11 | ewanm89mob | ipkg over gprs it would be faster to get the neo to compile it. |
| 15:17.12 | Bryce|BknWdings | http://www.pics.and-a-half.com/mrxvt_0.4.1-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 15:17.14 | SpeedEvil | Also - can several people report cat ./devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/battemp |
| 15:17.24 | Bryce|BknWdings | taht should be the right package |
| 15:18.47 | sagacis | thanks! I'll give it a shot |
| 15:19.30 | SpeedEvil | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for mrxvt: |
| 15:19.30 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.37 | SpeedEvil | on the wgetted file |
| 15:20.00 | tHe_IkkE | SpeedEvil: I get (after a few times cat battemp) values between 8 and 12 changing quite fast. |
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| 15:20.22 | SpeedEvil | TWhat's the approx temp where you are? |
| 15:20.44 | sagacis | Bat temp 10, plugged into the usb |
| 15:20.59 | tHe_IkkE | I guess about 25 degrees celcius |
| 15:21.00 | sagacis | Me too |
| 15:21.02 | SpeedEvil | Seems to be reading moderately consistently low. |
| 15:21.09 | tHe_IkkE | I'm also plugged in BTW |
| 15:21.16 | sagacis | That's strange |
| 15:21.17 | Bryce|BknWdings | SpeedEvil: http://www.pics.and-a-half.com/libxpm-dev_X11R7.1-3.5.5-r0_armv4t.ipk |
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| 15:22.38 | Bryce|BknWdings | sagacis SpeedEvil deps's up if you need more just holler |
| 15:22.39 | sagacis | heh. I'm using wget from the host and scp to the device. Whadamaroon! I could wget directly. |
| 15:22.55 | SpeedEvil | Bryce|BknWdings: ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for libxpm-dev: |
| 15:22.55 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.04 | SpeedEvil | I don't think this will end well :) |
| 15:23.18 | SpeedEvil | nvm if it's an explosion of dependancies. |
| 15:23.40 | Bryce|BknWdings | haha i'm game for a couple more |
| 15:23.59 | SpeedEvil | I think libx11-dev is liable to be huge |
| 15:24.08 | Bryce|BknWdings | http://www.pics.and-a-half.com/libx11-dev_X11R7.1-1.0.1-r4_armv4t.ipk |
| 15:24.19 | Bryce|BknWdings | only 142k |
| 15:24.30 | sagacis | 1 mb |
| 15:24.31 | Aria | libX11 is tiny and shrinking thanks to Xcb. |
| 15:24.37 | SpeedEvil | that comes up with unresolved dependancies to the above |
| 15:24.38 | sagacis | Oh, you're right |
| 15:24.38 | Aria | Well, getting tiny. |
| 15:24.54 | sagacis | libxpm4? |
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| 15:25.36 | Bryce|BknWdings | whoops |
| 15:25.41 | Bryce|BknWdings | x11dev is still going |
| 15:25.52 | Bryce|BknWdings | i got bandwidth to spare |
| 15:27.02 | Bryce|BknWdings | http://www.pics.and-a-half.com/libxpm4_X11R7.1-3.5.5-r0_armv4t.ipk |
| 15:27.09 | Bryce|BknWdings | http://www.pics.and-a-half.com/libx11-dev_X11R7.1-1.0.1-r4_armv4t.ipk |
| 15:27.13 | Bryce|BknWdings | x11dev is 7.5mb |
| 15:27.23 | SpeedEvil | that's not too bad. |
| 15:27.32 | Bryce|BknWdings | not bad at all |
| 15:27.47 | Bryce|BknWdings | much better than i expected, i was a bit astonished at the 128 |
| 15:27.54 | Bryce|BknWdings | till i realized it wasn't finished up loading |
| 15:29.28 | sagacis | Cool! Installed/configured |
| 15:29.35 | sagacis | Now I need to change the apps menu, eh? |
| 15:29.37 | Bryce|BknWdings | w00h00 |
| 15:29.56 | sagacis | Thanks! You should upload it to openmoko.org. Do we have a public dist site? |
| 15:30.22 | Bryce|BknWdings | hahaha, it's not that big a deal, i mean it took like 15 mins to build |
| 15:31.07 | Dmtiry_Platonov | where are know-to-work images? |
| 15:31.33 | sagacis | Woohoo! |
| 15:31.42 | sagacis | Yeah, but you had to sort out dependencies, etc. |
| 15:31.56 | sagacis | Remember, I'm inherently lazy... |
| 15:32.05 | sagacis | I'm working on other things and duplicating your effort is silly |
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| 15:32.19 | sagacis | The point of open source is to distribute the workload, not multiply it. |
| 15:32.26 | SpeedEvil | What would be lovely would be a simple repository with all the ipkgs readily available. |
| 15:32.26 | Bryce|BknWdings | sagacis i guess i see what you mean |
| 15:32.52 | aloril | battvolt: 4195 chgcur: 1626 chgmode: fast_cccv chgstate: <NULL> fast_enabled <NULL> battemp: 9 |
| 15:32.58 | Bryce|BknWdings | heh, i don't have tha tmuch bandwidth!! |
| 15:34.16 | ewanm89mob | I got vim, sudo, ruby and zsh ipkgs. |
| 15:34.40 | sagacis | Why sudo? Do you have a non-root user? |
| 15:34.42 | Bryce|BknWdings | i've got lua too |
| 15:35.16 | sagacis | duh: projects.openmoko.org |
| 15:35.23 | Bryce|BknWdings | thought lua doesn't interest many |
| 15:35.30 | Bryce|BknWdings | though* |
| 15:35.37 | aloril | Bryce|BknWdings: I'm interested |
| 15:36.26 | Bryce|BknWdings | aloril if you're willing to just shoot me back messages with what deps you need i'll put up the ipks |
| 15:37.10 | sagacis | I'm outta here. Thanks, Bryce for the usable terminal. |
| 15:37.38 | aloril | Bryce|BknWdings: sure |
| 15:38.00 | mickeyl | do you have a screenshot? |
| 15:38.12 | mickeyl | you lik mrxvt better than gtkterm? |
| 15:38.15 | anthony_ | with ipkg do i have to compile it myself... im having a hard time finding how to download ipkg, their website confuses me lots |
| 15:38.16 | Bryce|BknWdings | aloril alrighty i'm worrking on it |
| 15:38.41 | Bryce|BknWdings | mickeyl: mrxvt is a bit lighter and understands backspace correctly, it's quicker than patching gtkterm2 |
| 15:39.12 | sagacis | anthony_: put all the ipk files in a single directory |
| 15:39.16 | Bryce|BknWdings | aloril: http://www.pics.and-a-half.com/ipk/lua_5.0.2-r3_armv4t.ipk |
| 15:39.41 | sagacis | anthony_: then run "ipkg install mxvrt_0.4.1-r0_armv4t.ipk" |
| 15:39.42 | Bryce|BknWdings | aloril http://www.pics.and-a-half.com/ipk/lua-doc_5.0.2-r3_armv4t.ipk and docs if they interst you |
| 15:39.56 | anthony_ | ah ha ok thank you sag |
| 15:40.03 | Bryce|BknWdings | i made an ipk directory so update your link |
| 15:40.07 | sagacis | I had to run xpm4 install first. It didn't find the depend |
| 15:41.37 | sagacis | ls |
| 15:41.39 | sagacis | oops |
| 15:42.48 | Bryce|BknWdings | aloril any deps you need? |
| 15:43.08 | aloril | liblua5.0 (>= 5.0.2) liblualib5.0 (>= 5.0.2) libreadline4 (>= 4.3) |
| 15:44.47 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/ipk/ |
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| 15:46.32 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 15:47.02 | Bryce|BknWdings | aloril http://www.pics.and-a-half.com/ipk/lua5/ |
| 15:47.53 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: did you see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Package_management |
| 15:48.05 | SpeedEvil | No - I diddn't. |
| 15:49.17 | Bryce|BknWdings | Kensan: it's not complete oe though |
| 15:50.00 | aloril | Bryce|BknWdings: liblua5.0 ? |
| 15:50.13 | Bryce|BknWdings | aloril crap did i miss that one.... |
| 15:50.41 | Bryce|BknWdings | aloril sorr bout that |
| 15:50.43 | Bryce|BknWdings | it's up |
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| 15:51.38 | Bryce|BknWdings | Kensan: it for example doesn't have Lua or mrxvt |
| 15:51.58 | aloril | Bryce|BknWdings: thank you! |
| 15:52.09 | Bryce|BknWdings | aloril no problem |
| 15:52.23 | Kensan | Bryce|BknWdings: yeah, but it's a good start. but if you want to put up a full repository please do :) |
| 15:52.38 | Bryce|BknWdings | Kensan: haha if you can get me hosting that allows it i'd be more than willing!! |
| 15:53.10 | Aria | I've a server with space for such a thing. |
| 15:53.14 | SpeedEvil | What would be handy for me at the moment would be 'netpipes' - busyboxes nc seems to be misbehaving. |
| 15:53.16 | Aria | And a reasonable bandwidth allowance. |
| 15:53.28 | SpeedEvil | It's a tiny little netcat-alike |
| 15:53.33 | Bryce|BknWdings | Aria: hmmm |
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| 15:55.20 | Bryce|BknWdings | SpeedEvil: i don't see "netpipes" in the oe tree |
| 15:55.28 | SpeedEvil | It's probably not. |
| 15:55.41 | Aria | I'm serious about that hosting. I own http://theinternetco.net/ |
| 15:55.42 | SpeedEvil | I'm just trying to work out why 'nc' is falling over. |
| 15:57.13 | Bryce|BknWdings | Aria: for as inappropariate as this may sound, how fat is your pipe? |
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| 15:57.33 | SpeedEvil | ASL/pipesize :) |
| 15:57.47 | Aria | Hee |
| 15:57.53 | Bryce|BknWdings | SpeedEvil: lmfao exactly! |
| 15:57.54 | Aria | 23/q/Colorado/11mbps |
| 15:58.03 | Aria | And in December, we're widening to 45mbps. |
| 15:58.06 | Bryce|BknWdings | nice pipe |
| 15:58.23 | Aria | It's shared with a lot of other boxes, but it's a decent setup. Not perfect, but adequate. |
| 15:59.56 | Bryce|BknWdings | Aria: that sounds pretty good, i'll to some test builds to see how much i can get compiled and built with relative ease and if it works out we'll def be in touch |
| 16:00.07 | Aria | Alrighty! |
| 16:00.29 | Aria | hit me at aria.stewart@theinternetco.net if you want to tag me for hosting and I'm not on IRC. |
| 16:01.25 | Bryce|BknWdings | Aria: sounds great to me |
| 16:01.30 | Bryce|BknWdings | Aria: thanks dude |
| 16:02.08 | Aria | Sure thing. |
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| 16:14.26 | abraxa_ | Hmm... so the GConf manual says that session data does not belong there - where else am I supposed to store session data then? Does anyone have a suggestion? Sure I could make a ~/.openmoko-mediaplayer file but that might not be the nicest way of doing this... |
| 16:15.56 | mickeyl | abraxa_: go for it as the 1st try. we have yet to formulate a unified session data place. |
| 16:16.23 | abraxa_ | Oh, Mickey :) |
| 16:16.28 | abraxa_ | Okay, will do that then |
| 16:16.30 | mickeyl | abraxa_: another thing. i'm going to svn mv the directory to openmoko-mediaplayer2 (as per recent policy for OM2007.2) dirs. is that ok somewhere this nite? you shouldn't have uncommited changes then |
| 16:16.59 | abraxa_ | That's fine either way, I can just make a diff locally and apply it to the moved dir |
| 16:17.12 | mickeyl | ok, cool. |
| 16:17.19 | SpeedEvil | abraxa_: what's the current state? |
| 16:18.41 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: The backend is ~75% complete (missing some functions like shuffle/repeat, GConf and DBus integration), GUI is 50% complete |
| 16:19.22 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 16:27.56 | borg_ | yeha, my neo works :P |
| 16:28.26 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Input_Method]] [[User_talk:Cg]] [[UI_Improvements]] [[Category:Server]] [[Hardware:NearlyTouchScreen]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[P1_Owners]] [[User_talk:THe_IkkE]] |
| 16:28.50 | Aria | Yay! |
| 16:28.52 | borg_ | i flashed the rootfs and kernel and did allready a call via console ;) |
| 16:28.56 | borg_ | without any problems :)) |
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| 16:30.34 | abraxa_ | Good job, borg! |
| 16:30.56 | borg_ | so, where is the problem with connecting the dialer-gui with libgsm at the momment? |
| 16:31.01 | borg_ | is somebody working on that? |
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| 16:33.40 | abraxa_ | borg_: The new dialer seems to be doing this already |
| 16:33.45 | borg_ | oh |
| 16:33.46 | borg_ | :) |
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| 16:33.54 | borg_ | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ |
| 16:33.59 | borg_ | i used one of this images |
| 16:34.14 | abraxa_ | Yeah, they contain the old apps |
| 16:34.19 | borg_ | are they deprecated? |
| 16:34.20 | borg_ | mh |
| 16:34.20 | aloril | borg_: sound OK too? |
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| 16:34.41 | borg_ | aloril: have not testet sound :) |
| 16:35.02 | abraxa_ | borg_: https://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/ - you can try compiling and running those if you feel brave |
| 16:35.05 | borg_ | is their a ogg player or something like that on it? |
| 16:35.12 | borg_ | abraxa_: ah ok, i will try |
| 16:35.14 | abraxa_ | borg_: Is in the works |
| 16:35.16 | SpeedEvil | madplay? |
| 16:35.18 | aloril | ogg123 is included |
| 16:35.21 | Richard_ | app1 needs lib1.so and lib1.so needs lib2.so, when linking app1, it also ask for lib2.so. How can I disable this hands-on depend? |
| 16:35.24 | borg_ | ogg123 is fine |
| 16:36.45 | aloril | borg_: sound works out of box, sound for GSM voice calls: should work with right state file, but .. what I have isn't right, maybe somebody has right one (haven't catched up on IRC logs) |
| 16:37.32 | SpeedEvil | alori: search manually on the wiki |
| 16:37.37 | SpeedEvil | look at using GSM manually |
| 16:37.43 | SpeedEvil | and the sound-state from there |
| 16:37.50 | SpeedEvil | worked for me anyway |
| 16:37.53 | borg_ | aloril: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GSM |
| 16:38.04 | borg_ | http://opensource.wolfsonmicro.com/~gg/neo1973/gsmheadset.working.state |
| 16:38.29 | borg_ | but i have not testet it, i just dialed |
| 16:38.37 | aloril | borg_: ah, OK, I just read that didn't work and didn't even try that one (only one that was included) ;-) |
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| 16:38.56 | aloril | /etc/*gsmheadset* |
| 16:41.17 | SpeedEvil | Got IO errors too. |
| 16:41.23 | SpeedEvil | trying scping mp3s on |
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| 16:43.35 | borg_ | mh |
| 16:43.41 | borg_ | how fast is the usb port? |
| 16:44.13 | Aria | USB1.1 |
| 16:44.27 | Aria | Since that's on the SOC |
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| 16:44.46 | borg_ | its usb1.1 i know |
| 16:44.57 | borg_ | but how fast is it? |
| 16:44.59 | borg_ | only 200kb/sec? |
| 16:45.09 | borg_ | i somehow cant geht more |
| 16:45.32 | borg_ | ogg123 works btw |
| 16:45.36 | borg_ | the sound is pretty nice |
| 16:46.15 | xzcvczx | how do you rebuild the module dependencies? |
| 16:46.34 | BlackBsd | http://snapvoip.blogspot.com/2007/08/google-phone-coming-soon.html |
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| 16:50.45 | BlackBsd | so is how does soto integrate with openmoko? |
| 16:50.48 | BlackBsd | sato* |
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| 16:57.14 | borg_ | too bad that i have to write my bachelor thesis at the momment |
| 16:57.26 | borg_ | i would so much like to hack something for the neo now :) |
| 16:57.31 | ewanm89_laptop | sagacis: ping |
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| 16:58.20 | zecke | moin |
| 17:01.20 | abraxa_ | Servus Zecke |
| 17:01.48 | SpeedEvil | HmmHmm On USB performance. |
| 17:01.51 | SpeedEvil | time dd if=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=1024 count=10240 |nc 192.168.0.200 10000 |
| 17:01.55 | SpeedEvil | comes back in 16s |
| 17:02.07 | SpeedEvil | sorry - 12s |
| 17:02.15 | SpeedEvil | 16s copying from the SD |
| 17:07.11 | guerby | counter |
| 17:07.11 | aloril | Got it! (1794;252) |
| 17:07.47 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter Got it, get yours from openmoko.com |
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| 17:09.59 | xzcvczx | phew... successfully updated u-boot |
| 17:10.55 | SpeedEvil | :) Why? |
| 17:11.11 | ml8128 | what unit is battemp in ? I've seen someone asked people to report it |
| 17:11.15 | SpeedEvil | C |
| 17:11.18 | SpeedEvil | Or it should be |
| 17:11.31 | ml8128 | well, it started at -10 |
| 17:11.41 | SpeedEvil | It seems to be reading low by 10C for some people. |
| 17:11.48 | SpeedEvil | at what sort of temp? |
| 17:11.53 | ml8128 | after 5 min was -4 |
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| 17:12.00 | ml8128 | it's over 25C in my room |
| 17:12.11 | SpeedEvil | Thanks. |
| 17:12.28 | ml8128 | now it's 2 (after 10min on usb) |
| 17:12.34 | SpeedEvil | I'll do some checking tonight, to see if the thermistor value is properly measured. |
| 17:12.42 | SpeedEvil | Or if it's a miscalculation. |
| 17:13.12 | ml8128 | how much battvold when fully charged ? |
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| 17:13.55 | ml8128 | *battvolt |
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| 17:16.04 | raynet | hoo, mobile compo is about the begin at Asm07, thanks to UPS, no Neo in that compo |
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| 17:18.34 | abraxa_ | raynet: Didn't Asm degrade to a big LAN party with demoscene compos as a side events? That's what I heard at least |
| 17:20.08 | raynet | abraxa_: well yes, but i choose to ignore that fact :) |
| 17:20.20 | raynet | still a good place to meet friends |
| 17:20.42 | abraxa_ | raynet: True that |
| 17:22.10 | raynet | and still, it is fun to write some intro/demo with obscure old computer even if there is just you and someone else to watch it |
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| 17:27.48 | xzcvczx | does anyone know how the ss sl sw and sr commands are done in libgsmd-tool |
| 17:28.12 | mbuf | do we need to take backup of mtdblocks? |
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| 17:34.09 | ml8128 | what should be the battery state once it's fully charged ? |
| 17:34.23 | ml8128 | <NULL> ? |
| 17:34.42 | ml8128 | *battery mode |
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| 17:35.11 | PBeck | hi |
| 17:37.16 | ml8128 | chgmode is still fast_cccv whereas battvolt is "stable" between 3984 and 4048, ie battery is charged ? |
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| 17:42.16 | ml8128 | or is the 100mA charging not enough when the neo is running ? |
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| 17:44.36 | mbuf | ml8128, it is around 4200 and odd |
| 17:45.21 | mbuf | ml8128, neo will charge at 500mA if the host can supply it |
| 17:46.03 | ml8128 | mbuf: means battery is not full yet and neo is draining about 500mA ? |
| 17:46.32 | mbuf | ml8128, neo only uses the power, doesn't drain anything |
| 17:48.05 | ml8128 | i meant to ask if the neo is using 500mA, since the battery charge doesn't really increase... am i wrong thinking the neo takes power from the battery even when plugged to usb ? |
| 17:50.33 | mbuf | ml8128, AFAIK, neo only takes power from the battery; current from USB is used to charge the battery; some hardware person could probably correct me if i am wrong |
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| 17:50.39 | ml8128 | mbuf: http://pastebin.ca/645502 |
| 17:51.24 | mbuf | ml8128, what is that output? |
| 17:51.30 | cjb | mbuf: Correct. |
| 17:52.12 | ml8128 | mbuf: a shell scripts, it reads the battery meters every 10 secs |
| 17:52.49 | ml8128 | battvolt is stable now though earlier today it was below 3500 when i was unplugged |
| 17:53.13 | mbuf | ml8128, maybe, add it to PS1 environment variable so you can see it on the terminal? |
| 17:53.33 | mbuf | ml8128, atleast the third column from the left |
| 17:53.55 | ml8128 | first line has column names |
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| 17:57.35 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: this does not seem to be the case in all modes. |
| 17:58.09 | borg_ | is there a file in /proc/ which shows the status of the battery? |
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| 17:58.12 | borg_ | i cant find it |
| 17:58.27 | ml8128 | borg_: /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/ |
| 17:58.29 | SpeedEvil | find /proc -name "*battvolt*" |
| 17:58.54 | borg_ | SpeedEvil: nothin there |
| 17:58.56 | borg_ | ml8128: thx |
| 17:59.32 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, which one? |
| 18:00.01 | mbuf | borg_, cat `find /sys | grep battvolt` |
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| 18:00.17 | SpeedEvil | ah /sys, not /proc |
| 18:00.21 | borg_ | mbuf: yes, thx ;) |
| 18:01.01 | mbuf | borg_, anytime; np |
| 18:01.31 | ml8128 | when I unplug battvolt goes down, so seems 4078 is highest i can get |
| 18:01.52 | SpeedEvil | It should head up to 4200 or so. |
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| 18:02.23 | borg_ | its stuck at 4195 here |
| 18:02.27 | mbuf | ml8128, i haven't observed battery status that much yet |
| 18:02.34 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2634 10/trunk/oe/conf/machine/fic-gta01.conf: * make jffs2 image little-endian, even if buildhost ist big-endian (Closes: #663) |
| 18:02.52 | SpeedEvil | 4195 == 4200 for these purposes. |
| 18:03.04 | borg_ | :D |
| 18:05.26 | ml8128 | i'll leave it unplugged for 20-30mins, then plug back till battvolt stops increasing and i'll plot the data, i can post it if you are interested |
| 18:06.12 | SpeedEvil | The power control chips documentation is 136 pages. |
| 18:06.13 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 18:06.14 | mbuf | ml8128, plot data? |
| 18:06.36 | mbuf | mtdblock4 is a massive partition? takes a long time to backup |
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| 18:10.05 | ml8128 | mbuf: yes, with gnuplot |
| 18:10.58 | mbuf | ml8128, cool |
| 18:11.13 | ml8128 | mbuf: yeah, i want to know how my battery works :D |
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| 18:12.33 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ibt-power.com/Battery_packs/Li_Ion/Lithium_ion_tech.html |
| 18:12.43 | SpeedEvil | for an overview of charging voltages and discharging |
| 18:14.26 | ml8128 | SpeedEvil: thx, though i want to assess the thresholds specific to my battery |
| 18:15.20 | SpeedEvil | There are none. |
| 18:15.28 | SpeedEvil | The battery chemistry is more or less constant. |
| 18:15.43 | SpeedEvil | There are no specific voltages associated with each battery. |
| 18:15.57 | SpeedEvil | It's simply got a means of measuring temperature. |
| 18:16.03 | SpeedEvil | No other readable data. |
| 18:16.39 | mbuf | oops, i almost spilt hot chocolate on the neo |
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| 18:18.26 | ml8128 | SpeedEvil: what do you mean ? shouldn't it be fully charged at about 4.2 and has a limit before deep discharge ? |
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| 18:19.42 | SpeedEvil | ml8128: I mean - lithium-ion is pretty much lithium-ion. You don't have special voltages per cell. |
| 18:20.14 | SpeedEvil | They all top out at 4.2V (nowadays) and go down to about 2.8V, with similar discharge curves. |
| 18:20.39 | ml8128 | what's the value used to estimate charge % then ? |
| 18:22.37 | SpeedEvil | At the moment it's a simple line between 4.2V and 2.8V I've got a patch here that I'm working on for a much better battery model. |
| 18:23.39 | ml8128 | oh, so the value i get from battvolt will not provide decent data to plot the discharge curve ? |
| 18:23.50 | SpeedEvil | yes, it will. |
| 18:24.35 | SpeedEvil | The percentage figure is very inaccurate. |
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| 18:26.03 | mbuf | how can i force the phone to shutdown? |
| 18:26.32 | mbuf | applications are not launching |
| 18:26.32 | SpeedEvil | Hammer! |
| 18:26.38 | SpeedEvil | shutdown -r -t 0 now |
| 18:26.49 | SpeedEvil | Or hold the power button for >6 seconds |
| 18:26.58 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, can't open terminal or any other application; |
| 18:27.21 | CoreDump|home | cbrake: congratulations ;) |
| 18:27.22 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, it prompts for menu and if i choose power off, nothing happens |
| 18:27.29 | mbuf | ssh works, but halt, lsmod gives Input/output error |
| 18:27.39 | SpeedEvil | heep holding |
| 18:27.45 | SpeedEvil | keep |
| 18:27.52 | SpeedEvil | It may be more like 10s. |
| 18:28.02 | SpeedEvil | Worst case, pop the battery. |
| 18:28.15 | ml8128 | mbuf: i had that I/O error earlier today, dmesg showed fs errors, i had to remove the battery |
| 18:28.36 | mbuf | ok, brb |
| 18:28.46 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Historybuff/notes]] [[Screen_Shots]] [[Talk:MacOS_X]] [[Wiki_Issues]] [[Talk:Openstreetmap]] [[P1_Owners]] |
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| 18:40.27 | mjr | well damn, the buildhost's python subprocess depends on traceback, and it isn't installed for me. Wonder where that is... |
| 18:41.06 | mjr | ah well, I can probably convert to os.popen... |
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| 18:57.00 | sannes | Anyone got a statically compiled gdb for arm around? |
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| 19:08.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2635 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 19:08.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-04 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 19:08.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Move code around and we end up with an almost complete feed-data |
| 19:08.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: implementation. The main page to select feeds is still missing. |
| 19:08.32 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/application-data.h: |
| 19:08.34 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/callbacks.c: |
| 19:08.36 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/feed-data.c: |
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| 19:29.02 | idarwi1 | most of the time my gsmd does not start up, but I don't know why not; it start OK manually (using /etc/init.d/gsdm start) |
| 19:29.58 | anrp | "most" D: |
| 19:30.02 | anrp | everyone loves race conditions! |
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| 19:30.47 | idarwi1 | I would say all but not certain, I think maybe once or twice it did start. |
| 19:30.58 | anrp | err |
| 19:31.07 | anrp | once or twice is a lot different than never? |
| 19:31.15 | anrp | one could be broken (simpler to look at) |
| 19:31.45 | idarwi1 | I am sorry but I cannot be certain. Say "almost never". |
| 19:32.07 | anrp | :/ |
| 19:32.50 | idarwi1 | but starting it manually, and using libgsmd-tool I can register (gets a cell id, for example). |
| 19:33.10 | mjr | Muhaha, my python remote control works natively on the Neo, and controls my desktop just dandy. Had to adapt to some obsolete APIs due to the old python at buildhost though. |
| 19:33.32 | idarwi1 | cool |
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| 19:34.56 | ml8128 | talking about remote control, will P2 have IrDA ? |
| 19:35.02 | mjr | no |
| 19:36.14 | ml8128 | mjr: did the devs deny it, or it wasn't discussed at all ? |
| 19:37.17 | mjr | they've also not denied it'll have a V12 |
| 19:37.28 | mjr | it's basically a non-issue |
| 19:37.46 | anrp | v12 micro engine! |
| 19:37.49 | anrp | powered by steam? |
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| 19:39.49 | aloril2 | SpeedEvi: battemp: 41 (volt: 4125, chgcur: 746): USB charger, probably 100mA |
| 19:40.54 | arcanericky | How do I find the bitbake target to compile a single program? For example, to compile gsmd? |
| 19:42.51 | aloril2 | now its -10 ;-) |
| 19:43.49 | ml8128 | arcanericky: with mokomakefile : make build-package-<packagename> i think |
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| 19:48.07 | Elrond | mickey is always having dinner, when I am here in the evening. ;o) |
| 19:48.07 | aloril2 | SpeedEvil: now 22 (see above for 2 previous values) |
| 19:48.43 | SpeedEvil | aloril: odd. |
| 19:49.13 | SpeedEvil | I am unsure if chgcur means anything - at least on my phone. |
| 19:50.19 | abraxa_ | Elrond: He has a girlfriend so of course "dinner" is not just dinner :) |
| 19:50.35 | Elrond | abraxa_ - Yeah. ;-) |
| 19:50.59 | aloril2 | SpeedEvil: chgcur is clearly higher when fast charge is on |
| 19:51.11 | anrp | "clearly" D: |
| 19:51.31 | aloril2 | also when battery gets full it starts to oscillate |
| 19:51.34 | Kliment_ | mjr: hold on, if you have yours already, how come I don't |
| 19:51.55 | mjr | Kliment_, I'm cooler than you |
| 19:52.32 | Kliment_ | I thought they serviced orders by country |
| 19:52.33 | mjr | Also, I ordered very quickly, and noted on the order form Sean's promise that as a seminar quest at Tampere I'd get from the first batch |
| 19:52.48 | Kliment_ | ah ok, that makes sense then |
| 19:53.10 | mjr | Kliment_, well, they started shipping to US, but it took like a day or two to get shipping elsewhere too, from the first batch |
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| 19:53.18 | anrp | i got in order #4 from the numbering, and I only joined this channel after I ordered D: |
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| 19:53.24 | anrp | i have a phone but no time to use it for now ~_~ |
| 19:53.32 | ml8128 | aloril2: what's the average value when full ? |
| 19:53.34 | Kliment_ | is the first batch all gone now then? |
| 19:53.35 | mjr | at least Aloril also has one |
| 19:53.41 | mjr | here in Fi |
| 19:53.45 | aloril2 | was it 10h for first 500? |
| 19:53.54 | Kliment_ | I mean all sent out |
| 19:54.03 | mjr | Kliment_, I think by now yes |
| 19:54.11 | Kliment_ | looks like mine was delayed to second batch then |
| 19:54.40 | Kliment_ | I only got charged two days back |
| 19:54.57 | aloril2 | next 500 seems to going out soon, at least I heard somebody was charged recently |
| 19:55.13 | aloril2 | hehe |
| 19:55.14 | SpeedEvil | Ok - first cut power numbers. 'basic' - idle with backlight off. 680mW. GSM on but unconnected - 7mW. GSM on call 600mW. backlight +300mW. GPS on - unsure if this is actually the 'on' mode 24mW. BT - idle 50mW, and 'mem' suspend mode - 120mW. |
| 19:55.15 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - I finally think, that my HH isn't as b0rked, as I was thinking. Maybe the antenna is not perfectly connected or so. I reviewed my init sequence yesterday night and found some bugs. After fixing them, all those artefacts went away, when I was doing some testing this evening. I even clould do some not too bad guesses on "this sat is there", and has some doppler. ;-) |
| 19:55.19 | Kliment_ | can't wait to run powertop on this thing and slaughter the power-consumin guserspace stuff to bits |
| 19:55.28 | mwester | Kliment_: you are one of the fortunate ones, there are many of us who don't even know if our phones have, or ever will be, manufactured! |
| 19:55.36 | Kliment_ | mwester: ? |
| 19:55.50 | SpeedEvil | I suspect that suspend mode is significantly higher than it should be. |
| 19:55.51 | mwester | You are in the second batch of 500, right? |
| 19:55.59 | Kliment_ | mwester: how do I find out? |
| 19:56.03 | SpeedEvil | Basically as stuff isn't properly turned off. I may well be wrong. |
| 19:56.21 | mwester | If you have been charged, then your phone is in the first or second batch at least |
| 19:56.28 | Kliment_ | I have been charged |
| 19:56.30 | SpeedEvil | This would give a first-cut rough battery life in suspend mode of 30+ hours. |
| 19:56.58 | mwester | Then you are fortunate. There is no information that confirms that additional batches have been manufactured at this time. |
| 19:57.24 | mjr | yeah being charged has its plus sides |
| 19:57.27 | Kliment_ | mwester: wasn't there some email back a few days ago that said they have enough for everyone |
| 19:57.35 | mwester | :D |
| 19:57.47 | SpeedEvil | Kliment_: they can produce enough for everyone != "they have enough now." |
| 19:57.59 | Kliment_ | goos point, SpeedEvil |
| 19:58.00 | mwester | There were emails saying that those who didn't get P0 phones would have P1 phones for purchase in February, too. |
| 19:58.30 | Kliment_ | good* |
| 19:58.54 | Kliment_ | I'm away for a week in germany, but I guess it won't be here before that |
| 19:59.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 685 has been created by cesarb(AT)cesarb.net |
| 19:59.02 | cdbot2 | * * Detect a dedicated USB charger according to the USB battery charging specification |
| 19:59.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=685 |
| 19:59.21 | SpeedEvil | That may not be possible for P1 |
| 19:59.29 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 19:59.34 | aloril2 | also: "can produce a lot and ship to business" != "produce and ship to customers" |
| 20:00.33 | SpeedEvil | The method I mentioned earlier - turn on if 5V and no USB protocol - should work. Just needs implementing. |
| 20:00.35 | mwester | There's also the practical business aspect of this. How many P1 phones do they REALLY want out there? If you assume many will end up on eBay, and in the hands of end users, that could besmirch the OpenMoko brand. |
| 20:00.48 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
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| 20:00.56 | Kliment_ | mwester: that is just silly |
| 20:00.57 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it also breaks when you connect to a suspended host |
| 20:01.01 | mwester | Why silly? |
| 20:01.04 | SpeedEvil | I have several developer friends that I think might be interested. |
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| 20:01.10 | SpeedEvil | If they could purchase now. |
| 20:01.15 | Kliment_ | mwester: I believe there are plenty of announcements about the state it's in now |
| 20:01.24 | Kliment_ | mwester: I don't see how it would hurt the brand |
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| 20:01.27 | SpeedEvil | I'd like to be able to say 'you can buy it now, and it'll be shipped in a week'. |
| 20:01.29 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: even if it's on a future hardware revision, using the "correct" method as specified by the USB-IF seems worth it |
| 20:01.45 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: yes - I've noted that on the wiki. |
| 20:02.05 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: true - many people never ever connect to suspended hosts. And it's an option. |
| 20:02.13 | mwester | It's beyond the "it has no software" state, Kliment_ -- there are known hardware/firmware problems with the P1 that can plague OpenMoko. |
| 20:02.23 | SpeedEvil | I need to look at the USB host controller pins more carefully. |
| 20:02.25 | Kliment_ | mwester: yes, of course |
| 20:02.31 | mwester | Such as that it doesn't work with AT&T sims. How many eBay sellers will disclose that? |
| 20:02.52 | Kliment_ | mwester: but I think it's a general issue with misrepresentation and fraud on ebay |
| 20:02.55 | mjr | hmh |
| 20:02.59 | Kliment_ | mwester: I do not believe it will hurt the brand |
| 20:03.23 | mjr | my remote control program always ends up as a zombie if I try to launch it from menu, but works fine from command line, with DISPLAY=:0 rem |
| 20:03.31 | mjr | on the Neo, obviously |
| 20:03.42 | Kliment_ | mjr: strace it? |
| 20:03.47 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: where on the wiki? (not following things closely enough, sorry) |
| 20:03.51 | mwester | You're right that it's not OpenMoko's problem, but mr. Joe Ignorant, who bought it, doesn't know that -- he just knows that it's broken, and will blog about it -- enough of those injure a company. And we must not forget that OpenMoko is now a company. |
| 20:04.39 | Kliment_ | mwester: it's no different than someone getting a dev version of the N95 before release and telling people about its 5 hour battery life on standby a couple months before release |
| 20:04.54 | mwester | Anyway, I hope they tell us very soon if they are intending to ship the orders, and if so, when. What annoys me is that they won't respond to my emails about it, and I don't like being "strung along" like this :( |
| 20:05.12 | juri_ | patience is a virtue. |
| 20:05.14 | Kliment_ | mwester: that I very much agree with |
| 20:05.23 | Kliment_ | mwester: communication is critical |
| 20:05.28 | noon | Elrond: wow. how far away from a lock to the satellite are you? |
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| 20:05.41 | SpeedEvil | Depends how you define 'lock'. |
| 20:05.48 | cesarb | mwester: probably we all agree with it, but what do we want them to do, use all their time answering emails or ship the damn toy? |
| 20:06.19 | SpeedEvil | We're at the 'sort-of-can detect satellite' stage. |
| 20:06.25 | Elrond | noon - Far away. I can guess dopplers maybe. By doing a doppler scan and doing "expectation value". |
| 20:06.34 | mwester | It takes but 5 minutes to send an announcement, thanking those who purchased the first 1000, and confirming that they indend to ship the second 1000 by a specified date. How hard is that? |
| 20:06.43 | noon | SpeedEvil: that Elrond can get the data from the satellite: almanache... |
| 20:06.57 | SpeedEvil | No - not almanac. |
| 20:07.01 | Elrond | far away, very far away. |
| 20:07.02 | SpeedEvil | Just doppler. |
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| 20:07.16 | SpeedEvil | We have _no_ clue as to how to get the navigation bits out. |
| 20:07.43 | mwester | juri_: patience is a virtue, but it will be an expensive virtue if P2 ships two weeks after the last P1 orders are filled. If they can't ship until Novemeber, that's fine -- I'd rather be patient for P2 then. |
| 20:07.48 | SpeedEvil | At the moment - if the current technique is extended, we can probably get a 1Km or so accurate position after 16 min of averaging. With a pre-downloaded orbit model. |
| 20:07.58 | SpeedEvil | But this isn't a really good plan :) |
| 20:08.55 | mjr | what, you think people aren't willing to wait around for a quarter of an hour to find out which city they're in? |
| 20:09.15 | SpeedEvil | It's not _totally_ useless - but on the borderline. |
| 20:09.24 | Kliment_ | I have a very nice book on GPS here in the other room |
| 20:09.34 | SpeedEvil | Problem isn't so much the books. |
| 20:09.36 | Kliment_ | pretty good intro to the math behind it |
| 20:09.42 | SpeedEvil | The format of the data is really well known. |
| 20:09.59 | SpeedEvil | It's how the data is recieved that's fun. |
| 20:10.05 | Kliment_ | oh? |
| 20:10.37 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - exactly what the chip protocol is to get it to send us navigation bits - and in what format they are. |
| 20:10.43 | Elrond | Kliment_ - The chip in the neo is on the one side very,very,very basic. All the hard math and algorithms have to be done in userspace. |
| 20:11.15 | SpeedEvil | On the other hand - there is published code to do this. |
| 20:11.16 | Elrond | Kliment_ - And we have to find out, what lowlevel bits are already done in the chips, how they're actually done. And how they're communicated in the protocol to the userspace. |
| 20:11.23 | noon | Kliment_: whats the title and author of the book |
| 20:11.40 | SpeedEvil | The GPS-bits - position solution that is. |
| 20:11.55 | juri_ | mwester: just think, hundreds of hackers are working on the software while you wait. :) |
| 20:12.02 | Elrond | Kliment_ - On the other side, it's quite advanced electronics, which does lots of fun. |
| 20:12.16 | SpeedEvil | I would actually expect tens at the most at any one time. :) |
| 20:12.37 | Kliment_ | is it easier to write the isbn or do you want author and title, noon |
| 20:12.55 | telconta1 | could the positioning data be uploaded to a workstation via ssh to do the GPS calcs? |
| 20:13.02 | SpeedEvil | No real point. |
| 20:13.09 | SpeedEvil | The CPU is easily capable. |
| 20:13.18 | SpeedEvil | My GPS-12 has a 386/16. |
| 20:13.23 | SpeedEvil | Garmin |
| 20:13.27 | telconta1 | ah |
| 20:13.41 | Kliment_ | isbn 0-471-41655-X |
| 20:13.42 | noon | Kliment_: if the isbn is easier, than that |
| 20:13.42 | Elrond | We probably can do lots of advanced stuff in user space. |
| 20:13.47 | noon | thanks |
| 20:13.58 | telconta1 | i thought there was something about the calc being too slow and thats why we needed the A-GPS |
| 20:14.06 | Kliment_ | it has 3 authors and a 4 line title :P |
| 20:14.07 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 20:14.12 | telconta1 | but as you can guess its all a bit vague to me |
| 20:14.13 | Elrond | telconta1 - No. |
| 20:14.26 | Elrond | telconta1 - Read the FAQ on agps on the wiki. |
| 20:14.39 | Kliment_ | telconta1: the AGPS allows us to not wait for 12 mins to get an almanac/ephemera |
| 20:14.40 | telconta1 | :) def |
| 20:14.50 | SpeedEvil | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AGPS |
| 20:14.50 | noon | what i thought. to expensive, to buy it just for fun |
| 20:14.57 | Elrond | Kliment_ - s/12mins/45sec/ |
| 20:15.11 | Kliment_ | noon: yeah, it's very pricey |
| 20:15.23 | Kliment_ | noon: I got the uni I'm at to buy it for their library |
| 20:15.30 | Kliment_ | noon: need it for my masters thesis |
| 20:15.44 | SpeedEvil | Kliment_: on? |
| 20:15.48 | Elrond | Kliment_ - What are you doing for master thesis, if you can tell? |
| 20:15.59 | Kliment_ | Elrond: radiopositioning :) |
| 20:16.11 | Kliment_ | in ad-hoc networks |
| 20:16.36 | Kliment_ | using bluetooth for it, but I am having all sorts of hardware problems |
| 20:16.52 | Elrond | Huh, fun. :) |
| 20:16.55 | Kliment_ | I'd need a net of 10 or so BT devices that are fully programmable |
| 20:17.02 | SpeedEvil | Fundamentally the lack of accurate timing I'd imagine. |
| 20:17.08 | Kliment_ | and I tried building them myself but it's going to hell |
| 20:17.16 | Kliment_ | SpeedEvil: using signal intensities for it |
| 20:17.20 | SpeedEvil | Kliment_: have you seen the sparkfun one? |
| 20:17.30 | SpeedEvil | the 2.4Ghz protocol grabber. |
| 20:17.42 | Kliment_ | SpeedEvil: not sure, they have several BT things |
| 20:17.48 | Kliment_ | SpeedEvil: can you link to it? |
| 20:17.50 | SpeedEvil | basically digitise large chunks of the 2.4Ghz spectrum, and ship it back over USB2 |
| 20:17.55 | Kliment_ | oh that |
| 20:17.57 | SpeedEvil | It's not a transmitter |
| 20:18.12 | Kliment_ | it's like an SDR, only with no transmitter |
| 20:18.18 | Kliment_ | not useful to me really |
| 20:18.22 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 20:18.27 | noon | SpeedEvil: if Kliment_ lifes in .de he has a lot of fun with customs if he import stuff |
| 20:18.34 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 20:18.40 | Kliment_ | noon: I'm moving to .de next month |
| 20:18.53 | noon | SpeedEvil: I got my gps receiver from sparkfun. |
| 20:19.00 | Kliment_ | noon: never had a problem moving equipment in or out |
| 20:19.14 | telconta1 | really nice work on the wiki re: AGPS thanks |
| 20:19.18 | mjr | Found out why my app wouldn't launch from menu. It expected HOME to be set. Silly me. Should really add code to check from primary sources. |
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| 20:19.40 | noon | SpeedEvil: and I had problems, cause 'somebody' copied there database with the creditard informations.. |
| 20:19.52 | Kliment_ | mjr: can you run powertop on the thing and get me some of the output? |
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| 20:21.23 | Kliment_ | noon: why would i have a problem in .de? |
| 20:21.35 | SpeedEvil | Kliment_: hacking tools have been banned. |
| 20:21.36 | telconta1 | is there any work on "you are connected to this cellsite so you are roughly here" type datafeed? |
| 20:21.38 | Elrond | noon - *G* Do we want to try http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973 to see, if the gps antenna is properly connected? ;o) |
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| 20:21.56 | noon | Kliment_: I had to go to the nearst harbour where the custom bureau is to pick it up |
| 20:22.06 | Kliment_ | noon: I get a few weird looks at the airport when I carry a bunch of debug boards, a boxful of transceivers and two laptops |
| 20:22.09 | SpeedEvil | With a hacking tool being whatever they define it as. |
| 20:22.27 | Kliment_ | noon: but I've explained my work and never gotten trouble for it |
| 20:22.45 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - I wonder, if the equipment in our lab counts as hacking tools. ;o) |
| 20:23.54 | noon | Kliment_: I got the receiver by postal srevice |
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| 20:25.51 | noon | for the wire I orderd too I had to pay even higher taxes because they are out of copper... |
| 20:26.56 | Kliment_ | noon: ah yes postal stuff can be annoying |
| 20:28.04 | Elrond | BTW: Is the gps connector on the neo mmcx or something else? |
| 20:28.06 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Supported_microSD_cards]] [[Talk:Neo1973_Battery]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Screen_Shots]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Cleveland]] [[Supported_microSD_cards]] |
| 20:29.44 | Kliment_ | speaking of silly laws |
| 20:29.54 | Kliment_ | mjr: what happened to your CSS case? |
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| 20:32.26 | Kliment_ | noon: where in .de are you? |
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| 20:36.30 | noon | Kliment_: in baden |
| 20:39.35 | Kliment_ | I'm moving to köln soon |
| 20:40.16 | Elrond | Kliment_ - Where are you currently? |
| 20:40.16 | Kliment_ | Elrond: finland |
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| 20:40.50 | noon | Kliment_: >200km away where I life |
| 20:41.12 | Elrond | <-- heads for dinner. ;-)) |
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| 20:41.36 | Kliment_ | Elrond: what, here? |
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| 21:29.03 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2637 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/ (8 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 21:29.03 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-04 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 21:29.03 | CIA-24 | openmoko: First version that can fetch feeds again and display some part of the |
| 21:29.03 | CIA-24 | openmoko: message to the user. |
| 21:29.06 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Some how scrolling with MokoFingerScrollView and WebKitGtkPage does not |
| 21:29.08 | CIA-24 | openmoko: work. |
| 21:29.10 | CIA-24 | openmoko: The application is still very raw, beginning with missing icons, to missing |
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| 21:46.06 | sagacis_neo | logged in from my neo |
| 21:46.57 | juri_ | awsome. |
| 21:47.11 | cesarb | sagacis_neo: then why isn't it showing you IRCing as root? ;-) |
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| 21:48.00 | sagacis_neo | I changed my nick. |
| 21:48.26 | sagacis_neo | I'm using sic compiled in the project using the bitbake overlay |
| 21:48.44 | sagacis_neo | It's not really very useful, but it is really tiny |
| 21:48.59 | sagacis_neo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:49.26 | sagacis_neo | and I'm using ssh to be able to type reasonably |
| 21:49.48 | sagacis_neo | /me needs a bluetooth keyboard |
| 21:51.02 | ewanm89_laptop | sagacis_neo: I'm adding multiuser profiles and also has a moddified busybox ipkg with configuratio change. (battery ran out earlier). |
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| 21:51.52 | sagacis_neo | ewanm89_laptop: Cool. I can't understand why we are running as root by default. |
| 21:52.07 | woglinde | jo |
| 21:52.59 | ewanm89_laptop | sagacis_neo: Because noone has thought about how to do it yet? |
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| 21:53.18 | sagacis_neo | perhaps |
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| 21:58.36 | cesarb | ewanm89_laptop: cool, multiuser profiles would be very useful (for instance, for lending the neo to your parents, without having them confused by your bizarre configuration ideas and strange ringtone settings) |
| 21:59.20 | ewanm89_laptop | cesarb: That's the idea. |
| 21:59.25 | ewanm89_laptop | gtg, bedtime |
| 22:00.39 | ewanm89_laptop | night |
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| 22:12.53 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - You have a current probe at the battery, or what? |
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| 22:29.06 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Neo1973_OpenOCD]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Stylus_mount]] [[User:Katoh]] [[User:Historybuff/notes]] [[Hardware:Neo1973:Alternate_Cases:Camera]] |
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| 22:33.31 | henla464_ | i can't access http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/ |
| 22:33.55 | henla464_ | anyone know it it is just temporary down or the address changed or what? |
| 22:34.22 | borg_ | henla464_: it worked 2 hours ago |
| 22:34.28 | borg_ | so i think its temporary |
| 22:34.43 | henla464_ | borg_: ok, thanks |
| 22:35.55 | borg_ | henla464_: do you want the rootfs and the kernel? |
| 22:36.02 | borg_ | i can dcc it to you if you want |
| 22:36.36 | henla464_ | i'm trying to do 'make qemu'... and it tries to contact buildhost |
| 22:36.45 | borg_ | ah ok |
| 22:37.00 | henla464_ | thanks anyway |
| 22:37.06 | borg_ | then i cant help you, sorry ;) |
| 22:37.06 | cesarb | henla464_: "make qemu" is setup-qemu build-qemu download-images flash-qemu-official run-qemu |
| 22:37.38 | cesarb | henla464_: it probably already made everything before download-images |
| 22:38.10 | cesarb | henla464_: so, if you compiled your own distribution, you can do a "make flash-qemu-local" followed by a "make run-qemu" |
| 22:38.22 | henla464_ | cesarb: ok, thanks |
| 22:38.30 | cesarb | henla464_: if you didn't compile the openmoko distribution already, it's better to wait |
| 22:38.40 | henla464_ | i did |
| 22:38.43 | cesarb | henla464_: because the compilation can take the better part of a day |
| 22:39.30 | cesarb | henla464_: btw, you should take a look at how the makefile does things... it's quite intuitive (especially if you ignore complex commands and focus on the dependencies) |
| 22:40.08 | cesarb | henla464_: there are a lot of useful/interesting targets, like "run-qemu-snapshot" or "qemu-copy-package-%" |
| 22:40.48 | henla464_ | cesarb: i will do that... qemu popped up now with tbe boot menu |
| 22:41.57 | cesarb | rwhitby: how about a "qemu-local" target which is identical to the "qemu" target, but uses flash-qemu-local instead of flash-qemu-official? |
| 22:44.17 | cesarb | henla464_: btw, if you want the official images, you can look at how download-images does it and get them by hand (you just have to put them in the correct directory and touch a magic stamps file IIRC) |
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| 23:15.31 | jaebird | ewanm89_laptop: at the very least an unprivileged account needs to be running the gui and dialer, etc |
| 23:19.07 | daMaestro | buildhost down? |
| 23:26.36 | frob | daMaestro: so it seems |
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| 23:47.24 | rwhitby | cesarb: added qemu-local target - CIA must have been napping. |
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| 23:54.17 | daMaestro | nice, my build works |
| 23:54.33 | daMaestro | (hmm, the build that i told to build... not any of my own code) |
| 23:54.46 | daMaestro | dialer works right away; testing sound now |
| 23:54.50 | juco2 | I just had a fun day |
| 23:55.02 | juco2 | at BarCampRDU |
| 23:55.10 | juco2 | with a nice OpenMoko presentation |
| 23:55.30 | abraxa_ | juco2: Will there be a video online soon? :) |
| 23:55.33 | juco2 | and then I got home to see that my CC has been charged for the 1973 |
| 23:55.51 | juco2 | abraxa_: the video guy wasn't at the openmoko talk |
| 23:55.58 | abraxa_ | Aww, bummer |
| 23:56.08 | juco2 | so that's exciting! |
| 23:56.16 | abraxa_ | hehe yesh |
| 23:56.23 | juco2 | the hardware is much nicer than I thought it would be |
| 23:56.38 | daMaestro | for a dev device, yea |
| 23:56.43 | daMaestro | gta02 should be really nice |
| 23:58.15 | abraxa_ | juco2: Were there any devices present? |
| 23:58.18 | juco2 | yup |
| 23:58.24 | abraxa_ | ohh nice |
| 23:58.39 | abraxa_ | Who held the presentation? |
| 23:58.41 | juco2 | I forget the IRC handle, but Wally from Florida drove up with two |
| 23:59.36 | juco2 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Current_events |
| 23:59.40 | juco2 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Writchie |