| 00:00.17 | Arachnid | cat chg* gives "693 \npre \nfast_enabled present" |
| 00:00.29 | Arachnid | I'm pretty sure it _is_ charging - my battery icon just doesn't change to show it |
| 00:00.55 | Elrond | Ahh. |
| 00:00.58 | Elrond | "pre". |
| 00:01.02 | Elrond | It's charging at 100mA. |
| 00:01.29 | Elrond | Your host did not offer the neo 500mA. |
| 00:01.38 | Elrond | Did you connect it to an unpowered hub? |
| 00:01.46 | Arachnid | It's on a powered hub |
| 00:02.05 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03alphaone * r2611 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/matchbox/theme.xml: openmoko-theme-standard2: Make top panel 50 pixels high and fix gradient |
| 00:02.08 | Elrond | connect it straight to your pc. And blame the hub. |
| 00:05.17 | Arachnid | even plugged into one of the ports on the back, it still says 'pre' :( |
| 00:06.14 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ |
| 00:06.36 | Writchie | Doesn't seem to be forward progress after 28 Aug |
| 00:07.15 | Elrond | Arachnid - Yeah, give it a reboot while plugged in. |
| 00:07.18 | daMaestro | i bought a powered hub |
| 00:07.22 | daMaestro | very worth it |
| 00:08.14 | Psi_ | is there any reason to buy a powered hub other than to use more usb devices? |
| 00:08.18 | Arachnid | That's a good point- _are_ there any images newer than a month old? |
| 00:08.21 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03abraxa * r2612 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer/ (12 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:08.21 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Set proper application icon |
| 00:08.21 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Use openmoko theme stock icons for player buttons |
| 00:08.21 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Improve playlist/playback functionality |
| 00:08.30 | Psi_ | my pc is able to fast charge fine |
| 00:08.49 | Arachnid | Psi_: Linux or Windows? (Not that it should matter...) |
| 00:08.56 | Psi_ | linux of course :) |
| 00:09.23 | Arachnid | The newest image on either of the links from the wiki is the end of July... |
| 00:09.28 | Elrond | Arachnid - Wait... what os do you use? |
| 00:09.41 | Arachnid | Elrond: The computer I'm using right now is windows |
| 00:09.45 | Psi_ | hm.. mediaplayer |
| 00:09.50 | Elrond | Oh. |
| 00:09.50 | Arachnid | But my understanding was that OS support wasn't required for fast charging? |
| 00:10.06 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: 700 nA standby, 100 nA Data Retention, 1 us Wakeup from standby 250 uA @ 1 mHz isn't bad |
| 00:10.10 | Elrond | Arachnid - does ethenret over usb work? |
| 00:10.18 | Arachnid | Elrond: Haven't tried - don't have drivers |
| 00:10.23 | Arachnid | From conversation in here earlier, no |
| 00:10.44 | Elrond | Arachnid - Okay... it's a host problem. windows doesn't tell neo, that it is allowed to do 500mA. |
| 00:10.48 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: not at 0v. |
| 00:10.52 | Arachnid | It recognises it as a USB device, though |
| 00:10.58 | Elrond | Yes. |
| 00:10.59 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: At 1.8V to 3.6V |
| 00:11.02 | Elrond | But without driver... |
| 00:11.03 | Arachnid | Elrond: I thought it would do that to any device that asks, if it can support it? |
| 00:11.07 | Arachnid | hm, okay |
| 00:11.11 | Arachnid | That's a pain |
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| 00:11.33 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: it needs power. If it loses power for microseconds, the data goes away. This is a really bad thing in an embedded device. |
| 00:11.39 | Elrond | Installing the id-fixed .inf at least lets it charge... but still not networking. |
| 00:11.53 | Arachnid | Where can I get that? |
| 00:12.06 | Writchie | can go years with a small battery |
| 00:12.31 | Elrond | Arachnid - Nowhere. I fixed the .inf by hand, and then gave up. :-| |
| 00:12.43 | Writchie | backup battery |
| 00:13.02 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: Batteries are huge. I can get a flash microcontroller in a smaller space than this 'o'. |
| 00:13.20 | Psi_ | is openmoko-mediaplayer included with any of the current builds? |
| 00:13.22 | SpeedEvil | They have lousy performance at extended temperatures, and are hard to mount. |
| 00:13.39 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - In that o... fits a full 8051 with 56kb flash. ;o) |
| 00:13.40 | Writchie | you can live through a battery change maybe with a small cap |
| 00:13.45 | Elrond | (on my screen at least. ;o) |
| 00:14.25 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: Where do you get a small cap and a battery that will fit in no more space than a 2mm*3mm microcontroller? |
| 00:14.32 | Arachnid | Elrond: ah :/ |
| 00:14.32 | Elrond | Psi_ - I doubt it. |
| 00:14.39 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko#Putting_the_device_into_DFU_mode "plug the phone directly into the computer not a hub" ... does this apply if the hub is powered? |
| 00:14.40 | abraxa_ | Psi_: Nope, not yet |
| 00:14.47 | Writchie | i'm talking about the PM function on the phone. |
| 00:14.48 | Psi_ | ok, thanks |
| 00:14.59 | Elrond | Arachnid - I could recreate it. But it'll just screw up your windows a little more. |
| 00:15.08 | Arachnid | eh, never mind |
| 00:15.10 | Arachnid | I'll wait |
| 00:15.11 | Writchie | managing battery out, dead battery charge, one LED MMI, etc. |
| 00:15.13 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: and the cap and battery both have to be fitted to the PCB, taking area and mounting costs. You do not put critical PM stuff in stuff which requires power to operate. Unless you are insane. |
| 00:15.22 | Elrond | daMaestro - I'd say "yes". |
| 00:15.31 | Writchie | there's flash as well |
| 00:16.03 | Elrond | daMaestro - Issue being "proper data transfer", I think. |
| 00:16.28 | daMaestro | Elrond, do you know of a way to test if the transfer went ok? |
| 00:17.00 | Elrond | daMaestro - Not really. |
| 00:17.21 | Writchie | battery change doesn't have to mean total cold restart. |
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| 00:17.42 | Elrond | AFAIK the GTA01 has a small backup battery. |
| 00:18.11 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: Of course not. However, flash microcontrolelrs are the right way to go. Using RAM for microcontrollers is insane in this application. For one thing, you'd need a couple of packages instead of one, for no reason. |
| 00:18.13 | Writchie | i think this for data retention on the SDRAM |
| 00:18.23 | Elrond | daMaestro - Just connect it straight to your pc for DFU. |
| 00:18.33 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: i'm not proposing RAM for uC |
| 00:18.43 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: Ah - may have misread. |
| 00:18.48 | Writchie | I just staying that large amounts of RAM on uC are not that expensive to power |
| 00:19.05 | Writchie | sure flash is zero power. |
| 00:19.05 | SpeedEvil | It's not so much expensive to power. |
| 00:19.14 | SpeedEvil | It's expensive to make. |
| 00:19.18 | Writchie | but static ram today is close to zero power. |
| 00:19.19 | SpeedEvil | Go to digikey. |
| 00:19.27 | SpeedEvil | Search on microcontrollers. |
| 00:19.39 | Writchie | yes too expensive for main memory. |
| 00:19.39 | SpeedEvil | You will find exactly zero microcontrollers with >64K RAM |
| 00:19.48 | Writchie | 60K RAM |
| 00:20.19 | Writchie | actually, I think there a some ARM7's with more. |
| 00:20.21 | Psi_ | SpeedEvil, the entire ATTINY range of micros have less than that |
| 00:20.21 | cjb_ie | SpeedEvil: motorola 5282? |
| 00:20.28 | Writchie | but yes RAM is basically for data. |
| 00:20.34 | Writchie | flash for program |
| 00:20.42 | Psi_ | they start at 512byte sram i think and go up to 8k |
| 00:21.00 | Writchie | RAM is also good for bug fixes to ROM. |
| 00:21.06 | SpeedEvil | Psi_: I know. I was looking for one a while back, to do audio bufferiung. |
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| 00:21.08 | Psi_ | oh, wait, i read that around the wrong way :P |
| 00:21.10 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: No, it's not. |
| 00:21.26 | SpeedEvil | Writchie: you re-flash the thing. They have tens of thousands of cycles. |
| 00:21.48 | Writchie | yes flash is preferred, but ROM is even lower in cost very high volumes |
| 00:21.54 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 00:22.06 | Writchie | so ROM with bug fixes in small amount of RAM is pretty optimal. |
| 00:22.18 | Writchie | for devices in millions |
| 00:22.57 | cesarb | Hm, intersting: http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/batt_charging_1_0.zip |
| 00:23.05 | cesarb | A new specification from march... |
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| 00:23.26 | SpeedEvil | What a generic 'I've got a battery, please charge me' |
| 00:23.27 | cesarb | Saying how to detect/use dumb chargers |
| 00:23.33 | SpeedEvil | class, that doesn't require chargers? |
| 00:23.38 | SpeedEvil | err - drivers |
| 00:23.40 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 00:23.57 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it can be done purely in hardware, if I read it right |
| 00:24.10 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it relies on dumb chargers shorting DP and DM |
| 00:24.17 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: Right. I was thinking it was the other problem. |
| 00:24.32 | SpeedEvil | plug into random computer without drivers for your device, and it won't charge. |
| 00:24.33 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: injects a high level on one of them, and expects the other to be a high level too... if not, it's not a charger |
| 00:24.51 | SpeedEvil | D+ and D-? |
| 00:25.02 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: yes |
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| 00:25.28 | Elrond | Good night people. :-) |
| 00:25.31 | SpeedEvil | Wave. |
| 00:26.14 | cesarb | If http://wiki.openezx.org/EMU is correct, motorola dumb chargers do precisely that... short DM and DP together |
| 00:26.19 | Arachnid | This could be a handy building block for USB mass storage support: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=drivers/usb/gadget/file_storage.c |
| 00:26.31 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Aztlek]] [[Carriers/ATT]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Bogota]] [[User:Nelsoneci]] [[User:Mmontour]] [[Building_Gadget_USB_Module]] [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973]] |
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| 00:30.03 | jaebird | ugh, found an old 2g SIM card, but at&t can't activate it since it was previously de-activated :( |
| 00:30.20 | jaebird | it does return with the proper at+cimi info tho |
| 00:30.47 | jaebird | the csr said, "i can try it, but if it doesn't work, you'll lose your number" |
| 00:30.55 | jaebird | shoot |
| 00:30.58 | Writchie | Arachnid: until you have enough power to run - you can't do much |
| 00:31.29 | rushforth | wow, losing your number seems like a stiff penalty |
| 00:31.45 | jaebird | especially since it was a port of a metro line |
| 00:31.59 | jaebird | metro numbers are pretty valuable out here |
| 00:32.15 | jaebird | means people in the city can call out here in the country for free :) |
| 00:32.26 | Aria | Oook. Yeah. |
| 00:32.27 | jaebird | i didn't want to risk it |
| 00:32.41 | rushforth | I wonder if you called back and spoke to another csr, if the answer would be the same :) |
| 00:32.51 | jaebird | rushforth: i did! |
| 00:32.57 | jaebird | and also a local store too |
| 00:33.05 | rushforth | crazy |
| 00:33.06 | jaebird | they all read from the same manual, it seems |
| 00:33.17 | rushforth | thats unfortunate. |
| 00:33.21 | Vegar | isn't the number lost anyways if the card is deactivated? |
| 00:33.25 | jaebird | everybody said they could activate a new card... |
| 00:33.32 | jaebird | but i don't want a new one :) |
| 00:33.41 | jaebird | you don't hear that everyday |
| 00:33.42 | rushforth | jaebird: I assume this is because of the cingular/att sim card fiasco? |
| 00:34.16 | jaebird | when i asked if they had any 2g sim cards, the csr said they received an email on monday that all 2g cards are gone |
| 00:34.31 | jaebird | so if the neo would have shipped on-time...... |
| 00:34.39 | jaebird | :) |
| 00:35.03 | jaebird | rushforth: yes, 3G cards are problematic for the new atm |
| 00:35.10 | jaebird | s/new/neo/ |
| 00:35.14 | cesarb | Hm, not easy, the USB pins are not shared with any GPIOs (which would allow direct control), and the USB block is too smart for its own good (no way of controlling/directly reading DP/DM) |
| 00:35.22 | rushforth | I ordered a 2g sim off ebay a few days ago. In the meantime I am starting to get doubtful I will be able to activate it. (even though it was sold as 'never activated') we'll see... |
| 00:35.43 | rushforth | jaebird: yes im in the same boat.. |
| 00:35.46 | jaebird | rushforth: if it is "new" you should be fine |
| 00:35.56 | rushforth | jaebird: one user in the wiki reported having sucess with the 3g fireball card |
| 00:35.58 | jaebird | but how do you know when something is "new" |
| 00:36.08 | rushforth | i emailed him, and he just said it worked after a few tries.. |
| 00:36.09 | jaebird | rushforth, I saw that |
| 00:36.21 | jaebird | it is the newest 3G card too |
| 00:36.26 | rushforth | I actually have the *exact* same card |
| 00:36.37 | jaebird | i thought about getting the latest card to see if it _works_ |
| 00:36.37 | rushforth | I've tried and tried and tried, nothing makes mine work. |
| 00:36.53 | rushforth | my model number matches his exactly. hence why there are now 2 entries in the wiki for it :) |
| 00:37.02 | jaebird | but maybe there is a version that is not visible to the user...like a stepping or something |
| 00:37.09 | Writchie | cesarb: bigger problem is processor isn't running. |
| 00:37.10 | rushforth | yeah. some kind of revision. |
| 00:37.15 | jaebird | it would be interesting to compare your date with his |
| 00:37.23 | jaebird | like when you bought it or something |
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| 00:37.37 | Writchie | cesarb: i don't see what can kick in the ass to start it up so you can negotiate 500ma |
| 00:37.52 | Writchie | unless the user has to be that processor |
| 00:37.54 | rushforth | jaebird: yeah, I will ask him that, and also what area it came from. He is going to try AT+CIMI tonight and let me know. |
| 00:37.55 | Writchie | which is dumb |
| 00:38.27 | jaebird | what is the relation of the cimi to the iccid? |
| 00:38.33 | rushforth | no idea. |
| 00:38.41 | Writchie | it look like you have to charge at 50ma for some amount of time to get enough reserve enery |
| 00:38.41 | cesarb | Writchie: I was checking if there would a way to do something without hardware changes, even if it meant depending on the CPU running (i.e. not with a dead battery, just correct dumb charger detection) |
| 00:38.47 | jaebird | cimi returns 15 digits, none of which match the iccid |
| 00:38.52 | jaebird | which is the IMSI? |
| 00:39.10 | Writchie | sure - dumb charger doesn't negotiate |
| 00:39.15 | rushforth | jaebird: cimi is supposedly the equivalent of an account number (if ive been following correctly) |
| 00:39.28 | Writchie | if you can't negotiate, you can go to 500ma |
| 00:39.34 | jaebird | but the csr needs the iccid in order to activate |
| 00:39.49 | Writchie | there are corner cases, however, that are bad |
| 00:39.53 | jaebird | so many stupid ids |
| 00:39.55 | Writchie | like a machine booting up |
| 00:39.57 | rushforth | jaebird: werd. |
| 00:40.23 | jaebird | also found out that 3G phones will NOT work with 2G SIM cards |
| 00:40.36 | jaebird | so the backward compat only goes so far |
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| 00:40.56 | rushforth | jaebird: my 3g phone works with a 2g sim card |
| 00:41.00 | cesarb | Writchie: I found a spec which says that (among other things), if you can find out DP is shorted to DM, you can always go up to 1.5A, it's a dumb charger |
| 00:41.01 | jaebird | does wiki.openmoko need a glossary? |
| 00:41.07 | rushforth | (samsung i607 aka blackjack) |
| 00:41.17 | cesarb | Writchie: no negotiation needed (or even possible) |
| 00:41.28 | Writchie | who says a dumb charger will source 1.5amp |
| 00:41.30 | jaebird | rushforth: i gues not all, but saw it in some cingular faq or forum |
| 00:41.31 | aloril | (script) planet: Daniel Willmann: Chaos Camp buildup http://www.totalueberwachung.de/blog/articles/2007/08/03/chaos-camp-buildup |
| 00:41.37 | paravoid | Kaloz: I just read the old emails about AR6K. From the datasheet, this seems like a fullmac design. I don't think this is such a good idea for OpenMoko, do you? |
| 00:41.45 | rushforth | interesting |
| 00:41.54 | cesarb | Writchie: the spec says it will source at least 0.5A, but you can try more and it's supposed to current-limit when it hits its limit |
| 00:42.03 | rushforth | jaebird: yeah, i can get this 2g t-mo sim to work in the neo and in the samsung, but the 3g only in the samsung |
| 00:42.05 | cesarb | Writchie: take a look: http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/batt_charging_1_0.zip |
| 00:42.17 | Writchie | cesarb: not sure all those in the market now will do this |
| 00:42.18 | jaebird | t-mo prepay? |
| 00:42.39 | rushforth | jaebird: t-mo flexpay (prepaid, but month-month contract) |
| 00:42.42 | cesarb | Writchie: at least motorola's do have shorted DP/DM, so if you try to get at most 500mA, they will work fine |
| 00:43.03 | Writchie | but since they must withstand dead short to meet UL, you could probably draw what you can |
| 00:43.09 | cesarb | Writchie: and detecting the short is a very reliable way of being sure you can get the 500mA... |
| 00:43.12 | Writchie | until voltage drops below min |
| 00:43.15 | jaebird | my work has at&t repeaters indoors...not sure t-mo will work there, what a fiasco :) |
| 00:43.30 | rushforth | jaebird: thats pretty sweet :) |
| 00:43.54 | jaebird | it is the world of blackberry's :) before the repeaters...0 signal |
| 00:44.07 | jaebird | now 100%, not too mention that my batt lasts forever :) |
| 00:44.19 | rushforth | jaebird: you work high up, or underground, or? |
| 00:45.11 | jaebird | almost like underground, heh...no actually just a large metal build with rf shielding and such |
| 00:45.26 | jaebird | can't get anything, no AM, FM, TV.... |
| 00:45.51 | rushforth | wow, intense |
| 00:46.15 | jaebird | but we do have cingular :) i mean at&t :| |
| 00:46.35 | rushforth | heh |
| 00:46.55 | jaebird | rushforth: i'll look for your 2g sim entry in the wiki...i added mine several mins ago |
| 00:47.11 | daMaestro | ok.. well i just took like 70 pictures |
| 00:47.18 | jaebird | hopefully it will activate fine...they will prob charge you 18 bucks |
| 00:47.24 | daMaestro | i need to clean them up and level them; i'll upload them somewhere then |
| 00:47.25 | Writchie | SpeedEvil: looks like the wiki is spinning out of control |
| 00:47.30 | jaebird | that seems to be the going rate for SIM card changes |
| 00:48.02 | rushforth | jaebird: interesting.. unfortunately the mail did not bring it today, but hopefully tomorrow :) |
| 00:48.57 | cesarb | jaebird: if you are lucky, the repeater you have is a "dumb" repeater which just repeats any signal on a given frequency range... |
| 00:49.57 | jaebird | maybe...it was cingular that installed it, so it may be a micro cell |
| 00:49.58 | Writchie | gsm repeaters are very common - had them in apartements 10 yrs ago in hong kong |
| 00:50.36 | Vegar | what GSM band is used in china? |
| 00:50.46 | Writchie | 900 1800 |
| 00:51.40 | Vegar | ok |
| 00:51.44 | jaebird | cesarb: there are times when voice works but gprs/edge does not |
| 00:51.59 | jaebird | whatever that means |
| 00:52.34 | Writchie | it means its not a microcell |
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| 00:53.16 | cesarb | jaebird: if you can see the cell ID, you might be able to guess if it's a microcell or not |
| 00:54.51 | Writchie | cesarb: good point - you can check that from the command line |
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| 00:55.29 | jaebird | i'll do that whenever i get a sim/neo combo that works :) |
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| 00:57.19 | cesarb | Writchie: with a razr, you can check it from J2ME (it's in an environment variable), but unfortunately you cannot get the rest of the full cell id (the area id and the country/carrier id, forgot their names) |
| 00:57.38 | cesarb | Making it useless for any attempt at rough geolocation |
| 00:58.00 | cesarb | (and making it useful only for having fun checking when you change cells) |
| 00:59.09 | cesarb | http://www.cellspotting.com/software/index.php has software for some more capable phones |
| 00:59.25 | Writchie | IIRC the neo puts out both the locataion code and cell id |
| 01:01.22 | jaebird | i turned on cell change notification on my E2, maybe it will show something... |
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| 01:20.31 | jaebird | rushforth: just ordered a 2g card from ebay...here's to hoping :) |
| 01:21.02 | cjb_ie | 2G card sellers must be wondering why demand is suddenly increasing |
| 01:21.12 | jaebird | lol |
| 01:21.13 | Aria | hehe |
| 01:21.20 | jaebird | the price is higher on ebay too |
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| 01:21.34 | cjb_ie | it's almost like the laws of supply and demand apply, ors... |
| 01:22.00 | rushforth | jaebird: what did you pay (if you don't mind me asking:) ? |
| 01:22.13 | jaebird | less than 11 more than 10 |
| 01:22.30 | jaebird | saw one for less afterwords :) |
| 01:22.41 | rushforth | i found one for 4.99 :) |
| 01:22.43 | jaebird | shipping was half of it of course |
| 01:22.48 | rushforth | + shipping |
| 01:22.54 | rushforth | yeah ok, about the same then :) |
| 01:23.04 | jaebird | yeah, card was 4.99 |
| 01:23.07 | rushforth | (USD, yes) |
| 01:23.19 | jaebird | but the shipping is part of the true cost IMO |
| 01:23.36 | cjb_ie | hong kong sellers understand this so well |
| 01:23.40 | jaebird | prob same seller _savingmall_ |
| 01:23.45 | Arachnid | Do any 3G cards work? Is it just specific providers' cards that have issues? |
| 01:24.00 | jaebird | Arachnid: so far at&t |
| 01:24.15 | Arachnid | No problem over here, then. :) |
| 01:24.22 | jaebird | but someone was having trouble in NZ on vodaphone IIRC |
| 01:24.31 | jaebird | not sure if they sorted it out |
| 01:24.31 | cjb_ie | wouldn't surprise me if at&t decide they're so big they can dick with the spec and get away with it. |
| 01:24.45 | Aria | Yeaah. |
| 01:25.09 | cjb_ie | "sure, nokia, it may be our problem. but if your phones don't work with our sims, it's your problem." |
| 01:26.21 | Arachnid | really? I know Psi said he managed to make a call. |
| 01:26.24 | cjb_ie | i wonder if the problem will be low-level enough to need to put a logic analyser on the sim clock and data lines |
| 01:27.40 | cjb_ie | whoa. i'm getting tired. i'm trying to tab-complete ssh passwords. |
| 01:27.42 | SpeedEvil | TI has plenty of logic analysers. |
| 01:27.48 | SpeedEvil | If it's a TI problem. |
| 01:28.14 | Vegar | if it's a TI problem, would TI be responsible for fixing all the P1s? |
| 01:28.29 | SpeedEvil | Almost certainly not. |
| 01:28.37 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
| 01:29.51 | cjb_ie | i'd imagine there's a disclaimer on the back page of the data sheet to the effect that while the data sheet is believed to be an accurate representation of the behaviour of the device, the absence of disparities cannot be guaranteed, ors |
| 01:30.16 | SpeedEvil | Especially if third parties - AT&T do wierd stuff. |
| 01:30.33 | Writchie | if the problem is fixable, 99% probability it will be firmware and refresh |
| 01:30.58 | cjb_ie | hopefully it's not a pullup or pulldown that there isn't a space for on the pcb. |
| 01:31.22 | Writchie | the SIM electrically connections are pretty standard |
| 01:31.32 | Writchie | unlikely to be the problem |
| 01:31.54 | cjb_ie | i didn't mean sim connections - i meant power-up config pins on the IC |
| 01:32.30 | Writchie | then this would be a FIC problem - not TI |
| 01:32.36 | cjb_ie | yup |
| 01:33.12 | cjb_ie | but in general, a lot of such things can be got around with suitable firmware, rather than a board respin |
| 01:33.50 | Writchie | these first phones are for developers |
| 01:33.59 | Writchie | you can't expect them to be phones |
| 01:34.01 | Writchie | at this point |
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| 01:34.44 | Writchie | t-mobile is a more standard network to play with at this point |
| 01:36.13 | happycube | i actually have an idea to use the neo as a bt headset (and dialer if AT commands over BT can do it) |
| 01:36.17 | Writchie | at least they understand the gsm concept, separating terminal from network |
| 01:36.19 | happycube | kinda like a nokia 770 with it's own mic |
| 01:36.52 | Writchie | headset for what? |
| 01:36.55 | Writchie | other device |
| 01:37.34 | Writchie | or do you mean a handset for a different phone |
| 01:37.52 | Writchie | using BT headset profile |
| 01:38.17 | cjb_ie | why would one want a BT headset in the form factor of a phone? |
| 01:38.35 | cjb_ie | unless it were for some very odd multi-phone/line behaviour |
| 01:38.52 | cjb_ie | and even then, wouldn't you still want it to be a bit less... big |
| 01:38.59 | Writchie | perhaps not a headset, but the BT intercomm profice is interesting |
| 01:39.21 | cjb_ie | intercom, ooh, that's a nice idea. |
| 01:39.32 | happycube | ooooh that'd be cool too |
| 01:39.39 | cjb_ie | free voip within a very small radius :-) |
| 01:39.44 | happycube | my odd idea was to use the neo as a phone, but not as a phone at the same time |
| 01:39.54 | happycube | because i'm crazy like that. |
| 01:40.15 | Vegar | use it as a headset for another phone? |
| 01:40.25 | happycube | ya... keep the other phone, say a nokia series 40, hidden |
| 01:40.30 | Vegar | so it looks like you're calling with your neo, but your friend's paying the bill? |
| 01:40.34 | cjb_ie | that's gotta be the craziest workaround yet for at&t cards not working :-) |
| 01:40.34 | happycube | lol no |
| 01:40.38 | happycube | ;) |
| 01:40.56 | Writchie | not so crazy, 3G phones can be had for $110 |
| 01:40.56 | happycube | or for suffering with cdma |
| 01:41.59 | cjb_ie | ha, for some reason i'd presumed that only gsm phones did bt headset, but i guess there's no reason lesser technologies can't be codec'ed suitably |
| 01:42.08 | happycube | even verizon's phones do bt headsets |
| 01:42.17 | happycube | ... sometimes about ALL they do |
| 01:42.42 | cjb_ie | our last analog service got turned off around 5 years ago i think |
| 01:42.55 | happycube | that'll be turned off in the US in 2008, i think |
| 01:42.58 | happycube | along with TDMA |
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| 01:43.45 | cjb_ie | a couple of years ago i randomly bought a book on the GSM spec cos i thought it might be interesting. boy was i wrong. |
| 01:43.54 | happycube | heh |
| 01:44.00 | cjb_ie | there are so many fugly workarounds and compromises |
| 01:44.01 | Bryce_Leo | lol ain't that the truth |
| 01:44.05 | Writchie | Both GSM and D-AMPS are TDMA |
| 01:44.15 | happycube | ok tdma as in d-amps |
| 01:44.15 | Writchie | GSM will be around for awhile |
| 01:44.20 | happycube | it better be! |
| 01:44.33 | happycube | in the us old-at&t wireless used tdma/d-amps |
| 01:44.49 | happycube | they eventually went gsm... |
| 01:45.08 | Writchie | i thought they are still using d-amps in some places |
| 01:45.32 | Aria | They are. But I haven't seen a handset for it in ages. |
| 01:45.42 | Aria | They did parallel d-AMPS/GSM or d-AMPS/CDMA |
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| 01:46.15 | Writchie | gsm850 works much better than gsm1900 |
| 01:46.21 | borg_ | cjb_ie: are you from germany? |
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| 01:47.15 | cjb_ie | borg_: ie = ireland |
| 01:47.20 | borg_ | i thougt about what you mean with "analog services" |
| 01:47.27 | borg_ | did you mean something like the "b-netz"? |
| 01:47.30 | borg_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-Netz |
| 01:47.59 | borg_ | i think this disappeard in 1995 here o_O |
| 01:48.15 | borg_ | and they are using this in the US at the momment? |
| 01:48.20 | borg_ | interesting :) |
| 01:49.55 | Writchie | only t-mobile is 100% GSM |
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| 01:50.17 | Aria | Yeah. |
| 01:50.28 | cjb_ie | oh, apparently ireland's analog (TACS) network was only closed 2 years ago. thought it was longer ago. |
| 01:50.39 | noiddd | Those of you waiting for perl bindings to Gtk in openembedded - I just finished them. |
| 01:50.45 | Writchie | gotta squeeze out every last dime |
| 01:50.52 | noiddd | just testing that they don't core-dump and i'll be commiting |
| 01:51.13 | cjb_ie | coo, and we had the world's first prepay system. |
| 01:51.59 | cjb_ie | at least according to wikilies - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eircell |
| 01:55.04 | cesarb | AFAIK, we still have analog cell around here... (but I don't think anyone actually uses it) |
| 02:01.31 | cesarb | cjb_ie: nope |
| 02:01.48 | cesarb | cjb_ie: a portuguese-speaking one |
| 02:02.24 | cjb_ie | damn :/ |
| 02:02.59 | cesarb | cjb_ie: actually, it was a pretty close guess... both languages are linguistically very close ;-) |
| 02:03.34 | cjb_ie | so i gather, but i never studied portuguese. |
| 02:04.31 | cjb_ie | if it had been offered, then maybe *shrug* |
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| 02:17.22 | SpeedEvil | Bluetooth headphones. |
| 02:17.42 | SpeedEvil | I will rarely actually use bluetooth to place a call. |
| 02:17.55 | SpeedEvil | However, some reasonably nice bluetooth headphones would be nice. |
| 02:18.01 | SpeedEvil | Any recommendations? |
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| 02:23.02 | Writchie | there are an increasing number of BT headphones that are both headphones and headset |
| 02:23.09 | Bryce_Leo | sorry SpeedEvil I don't know any bluetooth headphones |
| 02:23.42 | Writchie | there are about a dozen on the market |
| 02:23.47 | SpeedEvil | I know - I was just meaning I don't much care about the quality of the headset function. |
| 02:24.18 | Writchie | if you want quality you need higher-end BT headsets |
| 02:25.09 | jaebird | i know onstar in the US used or still uses analog...which is a problem! |
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| 02:25.32 | Bryce_Leo | jaebird: heh, it gives the analog towers something to do! we've got so dang many here |
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| 02:25.50 | mwester | OnStar will be ending their analog service in November |
| 02:26.05 | mwester | All existing analog-only customers will be dropped. |
| 02:26.21 | Arachnid | woo, made a call :) |
| 02:26.27 | Arachnid | lots of static, though :/ |
| 02:26.51 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Feilsky]] [[Window_Manager_Startup]] [[Carriers/ATT]] [[Translation]] [[User:Saaib]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] |
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| 02:26.58 | Writchie | only works in headset state |
| 02:27.04 | Writchie | AFAIK |
| 02:27.13 | Arachnid | no, it worked with just the handset |
| 02:27.19 | Writchie | what build |
| 02:27.21 | jaebird | yeah...i know GM was telling customers that their OnStar in older vehicles would stop working whenever they got turned off |
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| 02:27.30 | Arachnid | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973 |
| 02:27.41 | jaebird | i guess that is a reason to buy a new car :) |
| 02:27.55 | Arachnid | you have to load the alsa config as detailed there |
| 02:28.13 | hhf423 | yayy! Payment note received! |
| 02:28.33 | Bryce_Leo | heh, i stiil need to save up cash |
| 02:28.51 | hhf423 | this makes my day |
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| 02:30.02 | Writchie | Arachnid: what image did you use, most of the gsmhandset.state files have the speakers enabled |
| 02:30.38 | Arachnid | openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070728081358.rootfs.jffs2 |
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| 02:31.13 | Writchie | strange, maybe your speakers are broken |
| 02:31.23 | Writchie | did they play stereo |
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| 02:31.48 | Arachnid | stereo? how could it, it's only one speaker |
| 02:32.02 | hhf423 | finally a reason to get an account on the wiki and to prepare to do some contribution |
| 02:32.14 | Writchie | there are two audio speakers enabled from the stereoout.state |
| 02:32.27 | Writchie | you can play an mp3 with madplay |
| 02:32.56 | Arachnid | So the speakerphone speaker is one and the earpiece one is the other? |
| 02:33.22 | Writchie | handset speaker at the top is one and left and right speakers on the bottom outside edge of case |
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| 02:33.37 | Writchie | plus headset speakers if you plug them in |
| 02:33.46 | Writchie | so 5 speakers in all. |
| 02:34.02 | Arachnid | Isn't the balance all to one speaker by default, though? |
| 02:34.03 | Writchie | we will loose 1 of the nice speakers to WiFi in P2 |
| 02:34.18 | Writchie | i have tested the separation. |
| 02:34.47 | Writchie | i think both channels are there in the hardware |
| 02:35.00 | Writchie | for now |
| 02:35.29 | Writchie | probably not all that important but it was a nice little feature not normally found |
| 02:35.36 | Bryce_Leo | if you were feeling enterprising shouldn't you be able to solder on a second speaker in the gta02 |
| 02:36.01 | Writchie | its a question of volume |
| 02:36.10 | Writchie | needed the room for the WiFi |
| 02:36.48 | Writchie | self powered speakers will work from the headset out |
| 02:36.53 | Bryce_Leo | Writchie: yes but hopefully with a bit of a case mod it'll be possible |
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| 02:50.04 | Arachnid | I still don't see why my standard speaker working is a sign my other speakers might be busted |
| 02:50.18 | Arachnid | Are you saying that it should default to all speakers on with that alsa config? |
| 02:52.04 | Bryce_Leo | Arachnid: i saw that being reported, but i heard that the next build has that ironed out |
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| 02:53.43 | Arachnid | cool |
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| 03:01.00 | ZerothCloned | hey all |
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| 03:01.07 | Bryce_Leo | sup ZerothCloned |
| 03:01.50 | Writchie | Arachnid: Sorry! Dont Panic - I saw a comment that person developing the states had a busted speaker that is why he did not have feedback on his machine. |
| 03:02.44 | Writchie | most (except for you) people report feedback when using the gsmhandset.state |
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| 03:04.28 | jaebird | my foriegn transaction fee was 9. |
| 03:04.44 | jaebird | sorry...hit enter by accident |
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| 03:05.31 | jaebird | it was $9.29US for my cc to be charged from taipei |
| 03:06.28 | jaebird | 3% of the total price |
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| 03:12.41 | Bryce_Leo | for 2007.2 are we still using the overlay? |
| 03:12.56 | moko-bunny | not according to the wiki |
| 03:13.09 | Bryce_Leo | can you point me to the wiki article |
| 03:13.10 | Bryce_Leo | ? |
| 03:13.25 | moko-bunny | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 |
| 03:13.43 | moko-bunny | sentence right before "Build Issues" |
| 03:14.39 | Bryce_Leo | lol wow i'm good ain't i? |
| 03:14.55 | Bryce_Leo | it won't be too bad, it should just have to bitbake a package |
| 03:14.55 | moko-bunny | hehehe, did you write that part? :) |
| 03:15.15 | Bryce_Leo | lol no, i wish then i would have known about the wiki article! |
| 03:16.06 | Bryce_Leo | we really do owe this new system to Koen, OpenMoko is now based off of his project Angstrom |
| 03:16.11 | sagacis|away | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 |
| 03:16.12 | Bryce_Leo | but you probably know that |
| 03:16.31 | ZerothCloned | so... what does this mean for Bryce_Leo's crash article? |
| 03:16.39 | moko-bunny | I didn't actually know that, no |
| 03:17.03 | Bryce_Leo | ZerothCloned: this means that it might need a bit of modification |
| 03:17.19 | Bryce_Leo | actually.... alot of modification |
| 03:17.29 | ZerothCloned | doy |
| 03:17.40 | ZerothCloned | I just GOT how to add apps to the image |
| 03:17.43 | Bryce_Leo | i'll definately have to make that a priority |
| 03:17.45 | noiddd | damnit |
| 03:17.46 | ZerothCloned | great *rolls eyes* |
| 03:17.57 | noiddd | I just finished building my ipks and my neo won't turn on :-P |
| 03:18.06 | Bryce_Leo | noiddd: ouch.... |
| 03:18.06 | xzcvczx | anyone else get '| make[1]: *** No rule to make target `<command-line>', needed by `miniperlmain.o'. Stop. ' ??? |
| 03:18.29 | noiddd | I've not committed my changes to perl yet so you can't blame me :-P |
| 03:18.51 | Bryce_Leo | gah, sorry guys i gotta head to bed, the woman's complaining loudly |
| 03:19.00 | ZerothCloned | Night dude! |
| 03:19.03 | moko-bunny | feed her some chocolate :) |
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| 03:19.36 | Bryce_Leo | moko-bunny: lol i've actually got a jar of chocolate hearts on the head board, next to the jar of m&m's |
| 03:20.02 | moko-bunny | cool...hehe, I was going to say hopefully you don't live in the US...we don't really know what good chocolate is |
| 03:20.27 | Bryce_Leo | night all, take care, i'll be on tomorrow i'll probably work on instrructions for setting up 2007.2. Though i do have real work to do for the whole wedding photography job. |
| 03:20.41 | moko-bunny | gnight |
| 03:20.48 | Bryce_Leo | moko-bunny: i'm def in the US, in the grea NJ |
| 03:21.09 | Bryce_Leo | we don't know real chocolate but it's cheap and easy to get.... i love chocolate.... |
| 03:21.16 | Bryce_Leo | lol ok enough distractions |
| 03:21.18 | Bryce_Leo | night!! |
| 03:21.19 | moko-bunny | Bryce_Leo: cool...Wa State here...eastsiide |
| 03:21.38 | Bryce_Leo | niice c ya moko-bunny! |
| 03:21.47 | moko-bunny | bye |
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| 03:39.10 | calamous1_ | Why don't companies release linux drivers again? |
| 03:39.38 | calamous1_ | I always see hardware crap called "Vista Edition" but never "Debian Edition" |
| 03:42.54 | pjz | anyone with a GTA01 installed Poky? |
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| 04:04.21 | Arachnid | calamous1_: Not enough userbase to title something 'debian edition' |
| 04:04.50 | Arachnid | As to why no drivers... most companies are inclined to look at their source code, even the simplest stuff, as highly proprietary and secret |
| 04:05.03 | Arachnid | "We paid you programmers all this money to make it, why should we give it away for free?" |
| 04:06.58 | jaebird | does the neo have a clock? |
| 04:07.15 | jaebird | every time it boots it gets set to feb 2, 2000 |
| 04:09.32 | xzcvczx | jaebird: set with date |
| 04:09.41 | xzcvczx | jaebird: then hwclock --systohc |
| 04:09.46 | xzcvczx | or something like that |
| 04:09.52 | jaebird | ah ok... |
| 04:10.01 | jaebird | set with date, just didn't do the other |
| 04:10.02 | xzcvczx | try hw<tab> |
| 04:10.21 | xzcvczx | i cant remember the actual command but the --systohc is right |
| 04:10.33 | jaebird | hwclock is correct...thx |
| 04:10.36 | xzcvczx | np |
| 04:11.07 | xzcvczx | is there a way to tell a package to just unpack using mokoMakefile? |
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| 04:20.52 | moko-bunny | is there a list of the +CME ERRORs somewhere? |
| 04:22.13 | LaF0rge | moko-bunny: in the ETSI 07.07 spec, IIRC |
| 04:22.33 | moko-bunny | cool, thanks! |
| 04:23.29 | LaF0rge | according to what I wrote in http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/gsm/include/gsmd/ts0707.h it's section 9.2.1 of that standard |
| 04:23.54 | daMaestro | http://files.damaestro.us/moko/ here are some pictures |
| 04:24.02 | daMaestro | i'm going to work them into some of the howtos on the wiki |
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| 04:26.11 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Advanced_End-user/de]] [[P1_Owners]] [[User:Hhf423]] [[User_talk:Hhf423]] |
| 04:27.42 | moko-bunny | LaF0rge: thanks! I'm dinking with one of the SIMs that's not working...and I've managed to get a 3 and a 32...seems to work different everytime I reboot it. I'll play with it until it keeps doing the same thing :) |
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| 04:29.24 | daMaestro | btw, those photos are free for use... |
| 04:29.28 | daMaestro | if anyone wants to use them |
| 04:30.44 | daMaestro | that server should be able to take it |
| 04:30.45 | daMaestro | lol |
| 04:31.03 | xzcvczx | i have seen some pretty nice servers die under that sort of load |
| 04:31.19 | xzcvczx | esspecially with the size of the photos |
| 04:33.14 | moko-bunny | daMaestro: hey...mine didn't come with a bluetooth headset :-P |
| 04:35.25 | Arachnid | Just upload them to S3;) |
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| 04:36.31 | xzcvczx | jaebird: yeah i do as well part of the reason i have lost it already |
| 04:36.54 | jaebird | it would have been cooler if it had openmoko on it! |
| 04:37.51 | Arachnid | heh |
| 04:37.56 | Arachnid | OpenMoko guitar picks |
| 04:38.02 | jaebird | moko-bunny: 3, operation not allowed, 32 network not allowed, emergency calls only |
| 04:38.19 | jaebird | sounds like an at&t sim card? |
| 04:38.50 | jaebird | Arachnid: they whipped up an openmoko pouch just fine :) |
| 04:38.53 | moko-bunny | jaebird: thanks...yeah it is. The .h file LaF0rge linked above has all of them :) |
| 04:39.00 | Arachnid | jaebird: True. |
| 04:39.12 | jaebird | it should be on the wiki IMO |
| 04:39.22 | jaebird | under a glossary section or something |
| 04:39.28 | daMaestro | moko-bunny, yeah.. i had that already |
| 04:39.36 | jaebird | along with acronyms like IEMI and IMSI, et |
| 04:40.46 | jaebird | since everything is made in china, you should be able to make just about anything with your logo on it! |
| 04:42.58 | daMaestro | http://damaestro.us/photography .... but zope can be pounded without much effort |
| 04:43.07 | daMaestro | so no slashdot on that ... lol |
| 04:45.32 | LetoTo | a case with space for a custom logo *and* the stylus would be nice :) |
| 04:49.56 | jaebird | daMaestro: all add that url to my zombies dos :) |
| 04:49.58 | jaebird | moko-bunny: if you haven't already done so check to see if sim card is on the table at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers/ATT |
| 04:50.58 | daMaestro | jaebird, be nice |
| 04:50.58 | daMaestro | lol |
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| 04:51.08 | moko-bunny | jaebird: it is pretty close. sku is 63512 |
| 04:51.29 | jaebird | add it if you can, thx |
| 04:51.38 | moko-bunny | roger wilcox |
| 04:51.44 | jaebird | :) |
| 04:52.04 | moko-bunny | the thing I find odd is that the phone it is from is well over 2 years old. |
| 04:52.15 | Psi_ | how well is BT working, can ya get networking via BT yet? |
| 04:52.17 | jaebird | i know...mine were too |
| 04:52.42 | Psi_ | if its good ill go buy a BT dongle/AP :) |
| 04:52.47 | jaebird | this is one of those things that _shouldn't_ have been overlooked, but hindsight is... |
| 04:53.21 | jaebird | either way this problem is going to cost |
| 04:53.27 | moko-bunny | I also successfully used a 63698A1002...but that was a borrowed one...wouldn't ya know the one I was able to successfully liberate from my Dad semi-permanently is the one that doesn't owrk :( |
| 04:53.46 | moko-bunny | s/owrk/work |
| 04:54.21 | jaebird | either users to force sim changes, RMA, shipping or FIC to do something special; either way this is an expensive problem |
| 04:54.54 | Psi_ | i must say, im quite impressed with the quality of the speakers in the neo |
| 04:55.01 | Psi_ | they actually sound DAMN good |
| 04:55.03 | jaebird | hopefully TI will sort it out quickly, but until then, i ordered a 2g from ebay |
| 04:55.25 | daMaestro | Psi_, i've had no luck with the images you recommended |
| 04:55.32 | jaebird | it is a _new_ card, never activated...hopefully :) |
| 04:56.23 | moko-bunny | jaebird: are you in the US? if so, how do you get a provider to activate a "rogue" card? |
| 04:56.27 | jaebird | i got too many rollover mins and unlimitted data to use prepay...need to switch |
| 04:56.46 | Psi_ | daMaestro, madplay doesnt work? |
| 04:56.58 | jaebird | i just called the # and ask the CSR to activate my new sim |
| 04:57.03 | jaebird | NEW being the operative word |
| 04:57.11 | moko-bunny | ahhh...cool |
| 04:57.17 | jaebird | they ask for the ICCID and charge me 18 bucks. |
| 04:57.19 | jaebird | done. |
| 04:57.44 | moko-bunny | ahhh...got to know those KEY words :) |
| 04:57.53 | jaebird | my only skepticism is that i heard 2g cards were not be activated anymore |
| 04:57.58 | daMaestro | Psi_, i've not tried |
| 04:58.01 | jaebird | but it is worth the 10bucks from ebay |
| 04:58.12 | Psi_ | copy a mp3 on and just go madplay <mp3> |
| 04:58.17 | Psi_ | worked for me |
| 04:58.22 | daMaestro | Psi_, what is the root password for this image? |
| 04:58.28 | Psi_ | wtf |
| 04:58.34 | jaebird | say something like your other sim card doesn't work all the time and is getting flaky |
| 04:58.44 | Psi_ | mine didnt have any |
| 04:58.48 | Psi_ | just hit enter |
| 04:59.00 | jaebird | g'nite all |
| 04:59.04 | moko-bunny | gnite |
| 04:59.46 | daMaestro | yeah.. ok |
| 04:59.51 | daMaestro | this last flash worked |
| 05:00.43 | daMaestro | damn, but the phone locked up when trying to change the password |
| 05:00.52 | daMaestro | i'm seeing some really strange issues |
| 05:01.05 | daMaestro | where is the information i need on how to erase my nand? |
| 05:01.20 | moko-bunny | know how to get find to return escape sequences to the shell? I was trying to do madplay -z `find /media/card -name *.mp3` but most of my files have spaces and aren't escaped properly :( |
| 05:01.58 | daMaestro | moko-bunny, i normally use | xargs |
| 05:02.04 | Psi_ | i renamed it to save time |
| 05:02.24 | Psi_ | moko-bunny, tried using tab ? |
| 05:02.33 | moko-bunny | daMaestro: cool...I'll try that |
| 05:03.10 | moko-bunny | Psi_: yeah, that works for one song...I wanted to pull the whole card as a playlist and shuffle it |
| 05:03.28 | daMaestro | oh.. you should really, really rename them |
| 05:04.01 | moko-bunny | daMaestro: I suppose :) |
| 05:04.25 | Psi_ | ive not tried my card yet, |
| 05:07.08 | Psi_ | what device is the card? |
| 05:07.14 | Psi_ | mmcblk0p1? |
| 05:09.55 | daMaestro | grr..... ok the device locked up again |
| 05:10.00 | daMaestro | this time when trying to use gsmd |
| 05:10.15 | Psi_ | what were you using? |
| 05:10.48 | daMaestro | the choose open images |
| 05:11.37 | Psi_ | i made my call with sound using cu -l |
| 05:13.30 | daMaestro | It also does not erase rootfs before flashing it... to do that, do minicom /dev/ttyACM0, then nand erase clean rootfs . |
| 05:13.41 | daMaestro | what? |
| 05:14.22 | Psi_ | i never erased my flash between versions, but then, ive only had 2 on it |
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| 05:19.53 | xzcvczx | Psi_: you dont need to mount the card is automounted |
| 05:20.06 | xzcvczx | df -h :P |
| 05:21.47 | Psi_ | yea |
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| 05:22.07 | Psi_ | card is working fine |
| 05:25.57 | Psi_ | cool |
| 05:26.07 | Psi_ | just checked the mp3 and stereo works |
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| 05:28.52 | daMaestro | nice |
| 05:29.01 | daMaestro | i actually just battled prboom for like 5 hours last night |
| 05:29.08 | Psi_ | heh |
| 05:29.33 | Psi_ | did it work? |
| 05:30.03 | daMaestro | not from the neo |
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| 06:02.10 | Psi_ | yay, dialer app finally worked for me |
| 06:02.34 | Psi_ | and even had audio, although it was very quiet and full of GSM radio noise |
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| 06:27.11 | daMaestro | Psi_, still using the choose open images? |
| 06:27.19 | Psi_ | yep |
| 06:27.28 | daMaestro | damn.. i need to find out how to flash my nand |
| 06:27.31 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Calendar]] [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko]] [[Carriers/Fido]] [[Carriers/Rogers]] [[Carriers/ATT]] |
| 06:28.12 | daMaestro | where do i run minicom /dev/ttyACM0, then nand erase clean rootfs? |
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| 07:07.09 | mave_pan | Morning all |
| 07:10.39 | darmou | Evening |
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| 07:24.33 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:30.59 | darmou | TRIsoft what time is it there it is 5.30pm here\ |
| 07:31.37 | darmou | I notice that people are able to hack the iphone to put their own apps together. |
| 07:32.14 | TRIsoft | darmou: Actual time in Hemmingen, Germany is: 09:30 :-) |
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| 08:17.58 | ml8128_ | Hello, anyone getting errors with mokomakefile when compiling perl-native-5.8.7-r3 ? error : "SysV.xs:7:25: error: asm/page.h: No such file or directory" |
| 08:18.20 | mrface | arg, I'm pulling out my hair here |
| 08:18.28 | ml8128_ | according to http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2007/02/msg121370.html perl should not include it |
| 08:18.49 | Dmitry_Platonov | it will build if you remove this #include |
| 08:19.06 | ml8128_ | this patch in kernel http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/5/1 removed the export of asm/pages, and perl was patched consenquently |
| 08:19.39 | ml8128_ | ok, i'll check how to add custom patches to the mokomakefile process until it's fixed upstream |
| 08:21.43 | Dmitry_Platonov | you can edit .bb and add SRC_URI += "file://qqq.patch;patch=1" |
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| 08:23.55 | ml8128_ | Dmitry_Platonov: ok, thank you |
| 08:24.48 | rwhitby | ml8128_: then create a patch which does that automatically, and which puts the qqq.patch file into the right place for bitbake to pick it up, and then pastebin that patch and ping me to add it to mokomakefile |
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| 08:26.25 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_and_Windows]] [[SH1_FAQ]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Translation]] [[Carriers]] [[Category:Carriers]] [[Carriers/Rogers]] [[User_talk:Glenn]] [[Carriers/Fido]] [[Carriers/TMobile]] [[Carriers/ATT]] |
| 08:27.15 | rwhitby | ml8128_: see /home/moko/patches/openembedded-e2dbb52fe39df7ef786b6068f6178f29508dfded/dash-support-for-building-perl.patch for an example of how to do that. |
| 08:27.56 | rwhitby | In particular, note how it creates openembedded/packages/perl/files/native-makedepend-dash.patch and then patches the .bb file to use it. |
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| 08:31.34 | mrface | I'm trying to create a bitbake recipe using autotools and I keep getting this error: "No rule to make target `install'". anyone else have this problem |
| 08:32.32 | jgm | mrface: think that is because you don't have some of the required files, you need at least 'configure' in there before it will work |
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| 08:32.59 | mrface | but autoconf is supposed to make configure isn't it? |
| 08:33.11 | mrface | I'll try that |
| 08:36.27 | Kaloz | paravoid: heh? "softmac" is what's crappier |
| 08:37.03 | Dmitry_Platonov | rwhitby, is there any plans on adding 2007.2 support to mokomakefile? |
| 08:37.42 | mrface | jgm: I put configure in there as well as Makefile and I get the exact same error |
| 08:37.45 | rwhitby | Dmitry_Platonov: mokomakefile simply builds whatever the core team builds. |
| 08:38.03 | mrface | the next line down says " FATAL: oe_runmake failed" |
| 08:38.05 | jgm | mrface: In that case you may be in the wrong directory, can you pastebin the output |
| 08:38.14 | rwhitby | when the coreteam makes "bitbake openmoko-devel-image" build OM 2007.2, then mokomakefile will build it automatically. |
| 08:38.22 | jgm | The last 20 lines or so beforehand would be useful |
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| 08:40.30 | mrface | jgm: sure, hope I did it right. first time. http://pastebin.com/d5cf3a56 |
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| 08:43.06 | jgm | Thanks, can you clean the package and run it again? And also pastebin the bitbake file |
| 08:43.22 | rwhitby | mrface: does your Makefile have an 'install' target in it? |
| 08:43.30 | mrface | jgm: sorry, how to clean it? |
| 08:44.04 | mrface | rwhitby: `make install` does install stuff, so I guess yeah |
| 08:44.25 | jgm | bitbake -c clean coach |
| 08:44.36 | rwhitby | mrface: bitbake disagrees with you: "make DESTDIR=/home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/coach-0.0.1-r0/image install" |
| 08:44.44 | rwhitby | "make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop." |
| 08:44.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2613 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer/ (61 files in 3 dirs): * Remove spurious svn:executable properties |
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| 08:45.36 | rwhitby | mrface: what is the path of the Makefile which has your install target in it? |
| 08:45.41 | mrface | rwhitby: strange, when I generated the makefile manually using automake and ran make install it worked fine |
| 08:46.31 | rwhitby | "manually" being the operative word. Does the one which results from bitbake configuring your program have an install target in it? |
| 08:46.49 | mrface | rwhitby: good question. lemme see |
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| 08:48.59 | mrface | output after cleaning: http://pastebin.com/dce03f7 |
| 08:49.59 | mrface | bb file: http://pastebin.com/d683690ab |
| 08:50.06 | jgm | mrface: ta, the makefile in question should be in /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/coach-0.0.1-r0/ |
| 08:50.25 | mrface | yes, there is no makefile there ? |
| 08:50.47 | mrface | the source files are there, why isn't autotools making that stuff? |
| 08:51.03 | jgm | Ah, if that is all there is there then you do need some extra files |
| 08:51.16 | mrface | ohhhh, in the bb file? |
| 08:51.46 | jgm | Yep, you need the basic files for autotools to do its job |
| 08:51.58 | mrface | doh! thanks guys |
| 08:52.06 | mrface | I knew it was something silly |
| 08:52.50 | jgm | You need a configure file, it will do the rest |
| 08:54.08 | mrface | jgm: one thing I'm a little confused about though. in the bb file, I refer to the source files as "file://coach.c" and so on. coach.c is in the files/ directory, but configure is in the directory beneath that. do I need to put configure in there? |
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| 08:56.19 | jgm | Well you only need one configure, it should be at the top-level of your distribution. Then you have a bunch of Makefile.am files that were referenced in the configure file (ultimately from configure.ac) that do the work of traversing the tree structure |
| 08:56.54 | jgm | Normally you'd have a top-level directory with configure and a Makefile.am with just subdirectories, then a lower-level directory (e.g. src) with the files to compile and a suitable Makefile.am to do that work |
| 08:57.39 | mrface | but then how do I list configure in the bb file... it seems to infer that everything is under "files" |
| 08:58.57 | jgm | I'd assume that you step down a level, so 'files' contains configure and 'files/src' contains the .c and .h files |
| 08:59.22 | mrface | ahh good idea |
| 08:59.22 | jgm | (I use subversion so just have a single URL to pull the entire directory structure) |
| 08:59.42 | mrface | I think I might try that as well |
| 08:59.58 | mrface | :) thanks a bunch dude |
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| 09:02.03 | jgm | If you want to look at the stuff I'm working on as a template it's extd on projects.openmoko.org |
| 09:02.10 | jgm | And I can send you the bitbake file if you want |
| 09:02.54 | mrface | so you don't keep the bitbake file in subversion? |
| 09:03.48 | ynezz | yo, got my neo :-D |
| 09:04.13 | jgm | mrface: nah haven't bothered yet. Ideally once this is all ready it will be added to the 'official' set of bitbake recipies |
| 09:04.31 | mrface | ahh, that makes sense |
| 09:05.01 | mrface | that helps me out a ton, thanks |
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| 09:12.59 | ml8128_ | rwhitby: http://pastebin.ca/644145 . perl-native-5.8.7 compiled fine with this |
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| 09:18.59 | florian | good morning |
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| 09:29.16 | Stephmw | howdy |
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| 09:38.02 | mrface | jgm: you still there? can I take a gander at your bb recipe? |
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| 09:40.09 | jgm | mrface: sure |
| 09:41.25 | jgm | http://pastebin.ca/644158 |
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| 09:42.20 | jgm | You may be missing the S variable, which tells bitbake where to find the files after you have checked out the files from svn |
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| 09:43.58 | mrface | yes, I was thank you, I also didn't know you could use a subversion url in the recipe. I was linking to the nightly snapshot, haha |
| 09:45.41 | jgm | You can set the date for the svn URI to be now which will always pull down the latest but it sounds like bad practice so I set a specific revision, you need to remember to bump it each time you commit though |
| 09:49.11 | mrface | jgm: ahh, that makes sense |
| 09:49.25 | mrface | yay!! It's almost working now |
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| 09:56.00 | mrface | thank you *so* much jgm, you totally made my day |
| 09:56.17 | mrface | unfortunately I can't stay up to get this compiling tonight, it is way too late |
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| 10:00.40 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r108 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Fixed typo on openmoko-devel-tools phony line. Thanks to Hadaka |
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| 10:05.28 | SpeedEvil | Is there a way to tell battery voltage from uboot? |
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| 10:05.51 | Richlv | hi. wiki has some places that could be updated or cleared up, but i don't feel confident or knowledgeable enough to do that myself |
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| 10:05.55 | Richlv | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973#.22Phase_2.22_.28GTA02.2C_.22Mass_Market.22.29 |
| 10:06.01 | Richlv | here, new components info is partially duplicated |
| 10:06.55 | Richlv | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware#AGPS - ths refers to mid april in future, so recent information would be welcome |
| 10:07.44 | Dmitry_Platonov | http://loadingreadyrun.com/videos/view/201/Installation offtopic, but about linux :-) |
| 10:08.09 | SpeedEvil | Look on [[Category:GPS]] and [[Server:AGPS]] and [[Hammerhead/Protocol]] |
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| 10:16.51 | FuzzyCat | rwhitby, you still here |
| 10:16.53 | FuzzyCat | ? |
| 10:17.04 | FuzzyCat | &seen rwhitby |
| 10:17.16 | FuzzyCat | apt, seen rwhitby |
| 10:17.18 | apt | rwhitby is currently on #maemo (3d 9h 35m 13s) #oe (3d 9h 35m 13s) #openmoko (3d 9h 35m 13s) #nslu2-linux (3d 9h 35m 13s) #openjtag (3d 9h 35m 13s) #openslug (3d 9h 35m 13s). Has said a total of 52 messages. Is idling for 1h 30m 47s, last said: '"manually" being the operative word. Does the one which ... |
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| 10:18.20 | FuzzyCat | http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2007018331803.gif |
| 10:18.49 | SpeedEvil | Richlv: yeah - fixed the second - the first needs merging of the footnotes into the table. |
| 10:21.37 | rwhitby | FuzzyCat: here |
| 10:22.01 | Hadaka | gah, I'm dying for Openmoko 2007.2 or Ã…ngstrom or Poky pre-built images but nothing seems to be available |
| 10:23.10 | Hadaka | rwhitby: any timeline for mokomakefile update to 2007.2? :) |
| 10:23.54 | rwhitby | MokoMakefile is simply a wrapper around the openmoko bitbake recipes. Talk to the people who maintain those recipes. |
| 10:24.46 | SpeedEvil | Is there a 'charger voltage' or similar command for u-boot? |
| 10:25.05 | Hadaka | rwhitby: Hmh, right - I thought there was just a problem with build layout changing or something |
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| 10:26.07 | rwhitby | Hadaka: not that I know of. MokoMakefile just runs "bitbake openmoko-devel-image" - is there a different bitbake recipe it should be baking? |
| 10:26.38 | tuukkah | news on a phone by google: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9028763 |
| 10:26.42 | Hadaka | rwhitby: nope - here's all I know about the subject (just found it in the wiki): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko2007.2 |
| 10:26.45 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison]] [[Neo1973_Hardware]] [[P1_Owners]] [[SH1_FAQ]] [[GSM]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Singapore]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] |
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| 10:27.30 | Richlv | SpeedEvil, oh, great. would you be interested in some other problems ? :) |
| 10:28.16 | FuzzyCat | nm rwhitby ... you just answered it.. |
| 10:28.48 | rwhitby | Hadaka: that stuff will be built when the OpenMoko core team decides that it is time to unfreeze the openembedded monotone revision. I expect this will happen after mickey|zzZZzz has finished his svn->monotone merge. |
| 10:28.56 | SpeedEvil | Richlv: I'll fix any page for $10 per :) |
| 10:29.22 | Richlv | SpeedEvil, oh. how much is paid for pointing them out ? ;> |
| 10:29.26 | SpeedEvil | Richlv: If you feel like it, note on User:SpeedEvil stuff you notice. |
| 10:29.30 | SpeedEvil | $-10 |
| 10:29.35 | dando1 | s |
| 10:29.43 | dando1 | . |
| 10:29.52 | Hadaka | rwhitby: right - well then, getting 2007.2 to build now seems to be a bit of bother :( |
| 10:30.28 | rwhitby | that page is describing just building OpenEmbedded HEAD for fic-gta01 |
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| 10:31.38 | SpeedEvil | If I power off in fast charge mode, it stays charging? |
| 10:31.45 | rwhitby | Getting OpenEmbedded HEAD to build at any point in time may or may not be possible. That's why openmoko freezes the OE version used. |
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| 10:32.49 | Hadaka | rwhitby: right - but if I change OPENMOKO_MTN_REV to be HEAD, is there something that breaks in mokomakefile side, or would the breakage be just in openmoko/oe? |
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| 10:33.16 | rwhitby | if you change it to HEAD, then it should build oe head, which may or may not build. |
| 10:33.48 | Richlv | from http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9531007 : "Unlike the iPhone, the Neo comes with global positioning and navigation maps" |
| 10:33.54 | Richlv | it comes with maps ? |
| 10:34.06 | SpeedEvil | haha. |
| 10:34.09 | SpeedEvil | well - no. |
| 10:34.16 | rwhitby | Hadaka: you would need to do a "make update" after changing it, of course. |
| 10:34.20 | daxxar | OpenMap or what it's called? |
| 10:34.20 | Dmitry_Platonov | It does not comes yet 8) |
| 10:34.22 | ewon | it comes with wget L( |
| 10:34.24 | SpeedEvil | See [[Openstreetmap]] on the page |
| 10:34.29 | SpeedEvil | wiki |
| 10:34.31 | ewon | s/L\(/\:\)/ |
| 10:34.32 | daxxar | OpenStreetmap, rigt. |
| 10:34.43 | Hadaka | rwhitby: obviously - well, I'll see what happens |
| 10:34.54 | SpeedEvil | OSM - and there isn't a client - isn't a usable map for most people for a decade at the inside. |
| 10:34.59 | Richlv | the article also claims "But best of all, they wonÿt have to pay all those scandalous roaming charges when travelling abroad." |
| 10:35.15 | Richlv | i'm a bit confused. what neo/openmoko has to do with roaming charges ? |
| 10:35.31 | ewon | SIP? |
| 10:35.39 | ewon | at a guess |
| 10:35.58 | rwhitby | Hadaka: also note that it will make you do a "make clobber-openembedded setup-openembedded" which will rebuild absolutely everything. So be prepared for a long wait. |
| 10:36.10 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2614 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 10:36.10 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-03 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 10:36.10 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-contacts.c: (moko_contacts_get_photo), |
| 10:36.10 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (moko_contacts_lookup), (moko_contacts_add_contact), |
| 10:36.10 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (moko_contacts_init): |
| 10:36.11 | CIA-24 | openmoko: When searching for a contact, it it doesn't have a photo, look for it. |
| 10:36.15 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_incoming_call), (on_incoming_clip), |
| 10:36.23 | Hadaka | Richlv: iPhone forces you to use AT&T subscription - using AT&T abroad incurs horrible roaming charges |
| 10:36.33 | tuukkah | Richlv, unlocked phone, you can by local prepaid SIMs |
| 10:38.00 | FuzzyCat | pay as you go |
| 10:38.16 | rwhitby | Hadaka: you might save some time by just commenting out the OPENMOKO_MTN_REV - this will build oe head without requiring a full rebuild, but there is no guarantee that will work. |
| 10:38.40 | tuukkah | FuzzyCat, btw, what does "pay as you go" mean? |
| 10:38.48 | Hadaka | rwhitby: full rebuild is fine - this machine hasn't built a devel image before |
| 10:39.20 | FuzzyCat | tuukkah, contract free... |
| 10:39.26 | rwhitby | Hadaka: do it before you do a make setup then. |
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| 10:39.38 | FuzzyCat | you buy a little package (or get it free) that has a SIM in it... |
| 10:39.54 | Richlv | ok, it's a bit clearer now. article dismissed local sims, but that probably was because you an't put another sim in iphone (right ?) |
| 10:39.59 | FuzzyCat | then you can go to petrol/gas stations, ATM's and lots of other places and buy credit |
| 10:40.09 | Richlv | it's a bit confusing, from european perspective :) |
| 10:40.12 | tuukkah | FuzzyCat, so i suppose "pay as you go" is what we call "prepaid" |
| 10:40.16 | Richlv | even though we also have locked phones here |
| 10:40.16 | FuzzyCat | yes |
| 10:40.46 | FuzzyCat | Richlv, yes, the markets are very different... |
| 10:41.08 | FuzzyCat | it's the one place where Europe gets a better deal than the US |
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| 10:41.28 | tuukkah | selling locked phones used to be illegal here. i hate i changed with 3G |
| 10:41.53 | Richlv | damn i hope openmoko is great. i convinced my gf to put off gps unit purchase, hoping that openmoko could be adequate for our needs ;) |
| 10:42.09 | SpeedEvil | What do you want the GPS for? |
| 10:42.16 | SpeedEvil | If it's maps, that may be a long time. |
| 10:42.20 | FuzzyCat | errm, not for a while methinks Richlv |
| 10:42.23 | SpeedEvil | the problem is the data |
| 10:42.30 | Richlv | map data ? |
| 10:42.34 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 10:42.38 | FuzzyCat | if you want a real bargin look at ebuyer... |
| 10:42.41 | Hadaka | Richlv: are you thinking of using the openmoko as a bluetooth gps device? |
| 10:42.43 | SpeedEvil | it's not legally available for download. |
| 10:42.44 | FuzzyCat | they have one for 99 quid... |
| 10:42.51 | FuzzyCat | one of the guys here just got one... |
| 10:43.00 | FuzzyCat | pretty damn good |
| 10:43.03 | Hadaka | Richlv: or actually viewing maps on the device? |
| 10:43.05 | Richlv | well, there are people here who are taking local mapping applications and adding coordinate info to them - and then using them in garmin units |
| 10:43.12 | Richlv | Hadaka, well, primary need would be just coords |
| 10:43.24 | Richlv | maps would be nice, of course |
| 10:43.35 | Richlv | even if i have to convert them :) |
| 10:43.42 | tuukkah | i'd like to know where these people get their maps: http://www.gpsdrive.de/ |
| 10:43.44 | Hadaka | Richlv: coords will be soon available, maps will take a while |
| 10:44.06 | Richlv | Hadaka, but would similar process be possible as with self-converted maps for garmins ? |
| 10:44.17 | FuzzyCat | tuukkah, google / microsoft |
| 10:44.18 | FuzzyCat | etc |
| 10:44.37 | Hadaka | tuukkah: there's a listing on the features page telling what they can use |
| 10:45.03 | Richlv | google maps on openmoko with gps tracking |
| 10:45.13 | FuzzyCat | eventually |
| 10:45.16 | SpeedEvil | You can use google-maps. |
| 10:45.18 | Hadaka | Richlv: well, the big problem will be that there won't be a map *application* for a while - getting the actual maps is easier if you *krhm* lend google maps :) |
| 10:45.21 | Richlv | probably would be only possible in wifi coverage :) |
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| 10:45.30 | FuzzyCat | but gprs/wifi costs are an issue |
| 10:45.33 | SpeedEvil | However, with a flat-rate data plan, that's possible. |
| 10:45.40 | tuukkah | Hadaka, thanks, so expedia and nasa satellite images at least |
| 10:45.48 | Richlv | Hadaka, oh, indeed. lack of map app could slow me down :) |
| 10:45.49 | FuzzyCat | SpeedEvil, only up to a point.. |
| 10:45.52 | Hadaka | Richlv: and also, a browser which supports google maps is going to take a while |
| 10:45.58 | FuzzyCat | unlimited != unlimited |
| 10:46.20 | Richlv | Hadaka, maybe opera mini will support them by that time :) |
| 10:46.27 | Richlv | FuzzyCat, indeed. small print. |
| 10:46.34 | tuukkah | does google maps terms of service permit us to download the map images? |
| 10:46.37 | Richlv | where they redefine word 'unlimited'. bastards |
| 10:46.39 | Hadaka | tuukkah: no |
| 10:46.46 | tuukkah | so there =) |
| 10:46.55 | Hadaka | tuukkah: but they *are* available, and if you do it for personal use... |
| 10:46.59 | CM|Vacation | Bah, they tried to deliver the phone but I'm not yet home.. 3 more days |
| 10:47.07 | Richlv | btw, wiki says 'no edge' - is edge planned ? if yes, will 02 have it ? |
| 10:47.14 | Hadaka | that is, if you don't distribute them ever and don't preconfigure the software to fetch them from google maps |
| 10:47.20 | Hadaka | Richlv: 02 will not have EDGE |
| 10:47.30 | Hadaka | Richlv: but yeah, it is planned |
| 10:47.37 | Richlv | so maps over gprs would not be possible also because of that :) |
| 10:47.59 | Richlv | gprs w/o edge is not sufficient for anything past text |
| 10:48.04 | Hadaka | well, that's not exactly true - google maps works quite nicely over plain GPRS without EDGE - I use it often |
| 10:48.08 | tuukkah | Hadaka, so then it's only the individual users who are breaking the terms of service |
| 10:48.14 | Hadaka | the images are really not that large |
| 10:48.20 | Hadaka | tuukkah: yes |
| 10:48.30 | tuukkah | hooray ;-) |
| 10:49.04 | Hadaka | actually, porting MaemoMapper over to Openmoko shouldn't be too hard - and that can use several different map sources and supports GPS positioning |
| 10:49.19 | Hadaka | but still, it might take a while |
| 10:49.20 | Dmitry_Platonov | in some regions openstreetmap coverage is pretty good |
| 10:49.25 | FuzzyCat | w00t! w00t! |
| 10:49.32 | SpeedEvil | Very few regions though. |
| 10:49.35 | Richlv | Hadaka, oh, that's good to hear. would that also be true for moving subjects ? |
| 10:49.55 | FuzzyCat | my Nokia N770 just arrived.... well I say mine, the boss just brought it for me :) |
| 10:50.11 | Hadaka | Richlv: if you mean live GPS updates with automatic scrolling - certainly |
| 10:50.23 | Dmitry_Platonov | let's home 1 mil Neo users will contribute to OSM :) |
| 10:50.31 | Hadaka | http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/maemo-mapper/ |
| 10:50.34 | Dmitry_Platonov | s/home/hope/ |
| 10:50.35 | Hadaka | SpeedEvil: congrats |
| 10:50.46 | SpeedEvil | s/mil/bil/ |
| 10:51.26 | SpeedEvil | userspace |
| 10:51.42 | Dmitry_Platonov | SpeedEvil, what image? |
| 10:51.51 | SpeedEvil | oldish one |
| 10:52.07 | SpeedEvil | from the chroot image on the wiki |
| 10:52.39 | hrw | FuzzyCat: nokia 770 - not nokia n770 |
| 10:52.51 | SpeedEvil | http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070728230649.rootfs.jffs2 - downloading now. |
| 10:53.09 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2615 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-contacts.c): |
| 10:53.09 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-03 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 10:53.09 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-contacts.c: (moko_contacts_finalize): |
| 10:53.09 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Free lists/structs properly. |
| 10:53.45 | SpeedEvil | Booted :) |
| 10:53.51 | FuzzyCat | nokia 770 yes |
| 10:54.05 | Hadaka | FuzzyCat: I have one as well - it's a nice device |
| 10:54.39 | FuzzyCat | cute looking... just going to charge it ... |
| 10:54.49 | hrw | http://chooseopen.com/openmoko/ are OE based? |
| 10:54.50 | FuzzyCat | is there a good medai player on it/ for it? |
| 10:55.16 | Hadaka | FuzzyCat: you might want to flash some newer images on it - but yes to both accounts |
| 10:55.27 | Hadaka | FuzzyCat: if you want a nice music player, check out urho konttori's media player |
| 10:56.13 | FuzzyCat | got a url? |
| 10:56.21 | Hadaka | old blogpost about it: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/03/new-media-player-for-n800-it-770.html |
| 10:56.36 | FuzzyCat | ta |
| 10:56.57 | FuzzyCat | oh, that looks sweet! |
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| 10:58.18 | Hadaka | that *has* to be gotten on openmoko ;) - but it's pretty optimized specifically for n770/n800 - so things will probably be done quite differently on openmoko |
| 10:58.54 | Richlv | will this be removed for 02 ? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware#Stereo_Amplifier |
| 10:59.34 | SpeedEvil | Unlikely. |
| 10:59.43 | SpeedEvil | The reason for no stereo is missing speaker. |
| 10:59.49 | SpeedEvil | It can still drive the headset. |
| 10:59.55 | Richlv | oh, ok. i thought it is going to be nuked altogether |
| 11:00.09 | Richlv | two speakers were determined to be an overkill ? |
| 11:00.19 | SpeedEvil | Case design was fixed. |
| 11:00.30 | SpeedEvil | Speaker took room that could be swapped for wifi. |
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| 11:01.26 | Dmitry_Platonov | Case? I thought only PCB changed |
| 11:01.34 | SpeedEvil | it did. |
| 11:01.45 | SpeedEvil | As the case design was fixed, the internal room was fixed. |
| 11:02.38 | Dmitry_Platonov | Ah, read as fixed=changed |
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| 11:12.23 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - How's cupcake cooking going? |
| 11:14.04 | SpeedEvil | not yet |
| 11:14.05 | daxxar | Did they call you from UPS yet, Henrikw? |
| 11:14.19 | SpeedEvil | booted - in shell - now have to connect over usb-ether |
| 11:14.22 | daxxar | Henrikw: They just called me for VAT, 612NOK |
| 11:14.38 | rwhitby | Hadaka: BTW, you will need to use bitbake 1.8.5 at least to build OE head. |
| 11:14.43 | daxxar | Vegar: The full cost is about 3300 NOK, I'll know exactly when the VISA bill comes. :-) |
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| 11:15.09 | Hadaka | rwhitby: yeah, I changed the bitbake version, which causes a lot of errors like this NOTE: This BitBake doesn't support revision fetching, falling back to current date |
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| 11:15.14 | Henrikw | daxxar: hm.. I payed 607 :p |
| 11:15.20 | daxxar | Henrikw: What? :-( |
| 11:15.23 | daxxar | I feel cheated! |
| 11:15.25 | Vegar | daxxar: nice |
| 11:15.26 | Henrikw | hehehe |
| 11:15.35 | Hadaka | rwhitby: I had to remove bitbake patches as well ofcourse |
| 11:15.40 | rwhitby | Hadaka: exactly. It's really a lost cause trying to build it at the moment. |
| 11:15.49 | Hadaka | rwhitby: it's still doing something so I don't know if it'll build - but I'm not too hopeful |
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| 11:16.09 | daxxar | Henrikw: Do you own a lot of electronic equipment? (loddebolt, multimeter, osv) |
| 11:16.24 | rwhitby | You can either build openmoko svn + frozen OE revision, or you can build OE head with no openmoko SVN stuff. You can't really build openmoko svn plus OE head. |
| 11:16.37 | Henrikw | daxxar: yep :) |
| 11:16.50 | daxxar | Henrikw: Okay. Was just thinking, if you didn't, you should consider joining OV. (Omega Verksted) |
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| 11:17.18 | daxxar | Henrikw: It's a student organization aimed at members of Omega (linjeforening for siving elektro), but open for anyone, that has a workshop at NTNU with a lot fo available equipment |
| 11:17.20 | Henrikw | daxxar: been thinking of that for a loong time ;) when and where? |
| 11:17.23 | daxxar | s/fo/of/ |
| 11:17.52 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03chris * r2616 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokojournal2/ (ChangeLog configure.ac mokojournal/moko-journal.c): Check for existence of ECalComponentId |
| 11:18.23 | Henrikw | daxxar: it's kind of hidden down in the NTNU catacombs isn't it :p |
| 11:18.24 | daxxar | To join? It costs about 150 NOK, it's in "Elektrobygget" at NTNU, if you're familiar with it, in the basement. You could talk to a few of them in their IRC channel, #ov/EFNet |
| 11:18.34 | hhf423 | anyone here from Germany who already received their Neo1973? Did you have to pick it up at customs? Or did UPS deliver to the door? |
| 11:18.42 | daxxar | Not too hard to find it, but yes, you probably want someone to take you there the first time. ;-) |
| 11:18.56 | Henrikw | I know, antennelaben is also in elektrobygget ;) |
| 11:18.57 | SpeedEvil | Stupid question. where is the cdc-ether driver in menuconfig? |
| 11:19.05 | daxxar | Ah, right. :-) |
| 11:19.34 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Huh. Hmm. Use "/" for search, then "cdc_ether" |
| 11:19.37 | Henrikw | but still don't know where Omega Verksted is.. |
| 11:19.39 | daxxar | I'm a member, but never done any work down there, only been there to purchase some components. I should try hanging there more to do hobby projects, as I really haven't got any decent equipment at home (yet). |
| 11:20.25 | Henrikw | ah. ok, I've got some equipment/components at home and loads of goos stuff at work :) |
| 11:20.39 | Henrikw | s/goos/good |
| 11:20.39 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: odd - not found |
| 11:20.48 | SpeedEvil | I see it in drivers/usb/net, so ... |
| 11:21.22 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Device Drivers -> USB support -> USB Network Adapters |
| 11:21.32 | aloril2 | counter_msg Got it! |
| 11:21.32 | aloril | aloril2 changed counter prefix message to Got it! |
| 11:21.48 | daxxar | aloril: counter? |
| 11:21.49 | aloril | Got it! (1790;252) |
| 11:21.54 | daxxar | Hehe. :-P |
| 11:22.04 | Henrikw | daxxar: hmm.. I really wonder why you had to pay 5,- more than me :p |
| 11:22.22 | daxxar | I guess we're paying VAT for shipment - and you payed less shipment than me? |
| 11:22.24 | daxxar | Ddi you pay today? |
| 11:22.38 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: it seems to have no generic subset - but, compiling. |
| 11:23.00 | ml8128_ | rwhitby: ping |
| 11:23.09 | Henrikw | yes, paid by visa-card. selected expedited shipping |
| 11:23.19 | aloril2 | display is sharp, though I expected that based on koen's clolesup image |
| 11:23.59 | aloril2 | kernel messages scrolled much faster than expected |
| 11:24.01 | rwhitby | ml8128_: gu |
| 11:24.08 | daxxar | Hm, yes, I think that's what I had too (the cheapest, right?) |
| 11:24.15 | Henrikw | yes |
| 11:26.11 | ewanm89mob | What country are these customs? |
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| 11:27.00 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2617 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokojournal2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): |
| 11:27.00 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-03 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 11:27.00 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * mokojournal/moko-journal.c: |
| 11:27.00 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (moko_journal_voice_info_set_distant_number): |
| 11:27.00 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * mokojournal/moko-journal.h: |
| 11:27.01 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Use const when accepting string arguments. |
| 11:27.34 | daxxar | ewanm89mob: Talking 'bout us? Norway. :-) |
| 11:27.58 | Vegar | daxxar: how much was shipping? |
| 11:28.35 | daxxar | Vegar: They said $74.61 USD |
| 11:28.51 | daxxar | Vegar: But they also said the compensated for rates and such, so it was probably less. |
| 11:29.02 | goxboxlive | Anyone from Norway got it yet? In that case did you have to pay taxes? |
| 11:29.03 | daxxar | I dunno. Atleast the total cost is about ~3300,- (NOK) |
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| 11:29.10 | daxxar | goxboxlive: We've paid VAT for it, yes. |
| 11:29.18 | goxboxlive | i c |
| 11:29.39 | daxxar | goxboxlive: It hasn't arrived, but it's arriving in a few days. Got called by UPS Sweden so that they could charge VAT (mva) for it, about 610,- |
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| 11:30.15 | daxxar | So if you want to sneak out of VAT, you have to get it shipped to another country, and privately shipped to Norway from there. ;-.P |
| 11:30.50 | ml8128_ | rwhitby: you had time to look at the patch ? http://pastebin.ca/644145 |
| 11:30.52 | goxboxlive | ok, even haevnt got them reply mail from the mokostore yet |
| 11:31.55 | ewanm89mob | Yeah, well then everyone beware of Norway customs, they can't add. |
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| 11:32.44 | Henrikw | hehe, you'll just have to call them on a good time of day (right after lunch or something ;)) |
| 11:33.35 | daxxar | ewanm89mob: AFAIK UPS calculates the norwegian VAT, and pays it to the customs (to not get charged by customs for administrative work) |
| 11:35.01 | mave_pan | plus it probably adds a fee for all that work. |
| 11:35.16 | ewanm89mob | Oh, well then UPS can't add, everyone beware. |
| 11:35.23 | daxxar | Hehe, true. :-) |
| 11:35.26 | Vegar | daxxar: oh, that's nice |
| 11:35.41 | daxxar | I love how to of the same order, on the same shipment, planned delivery on the same day (to the same city), has different VAT. ;-) |
| 11:35.43 | Vegar | because the administrative fee is.. well.. not exactly cheap |
| 11:35.51 | daxxar | Vegar: Like 100 NOK :) |
| 11:36.01 | Vegar | it's more, isn't it? |
| 11:36.08 | daxxar | Could be, not sure |
| 11:36.27 | mave_pan | Well I paid approx 20 euro |
| 11:36.29 | daxxar | Henrikw: Btw, best way to become a OV member is to come to OV after school start, :-) |
| 11:36.39 | Henrikw | daxxar: ah, ok |
| 11:36.50 | daxxar | Henrikw: It's kinda deserted these days. |
| 11:36.57 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r109 10mokomakefile/trunk/patches/openembedded-e2dbb52fe39df7ef786b6068f6178f29508dfded/ (perl-remove-asm-pages.patch series): Added patch to enable perl to build now that asm/page.h is no longer supported. Thanks to ml8128_. |
| 11:37.04 | rwhitby | ml8128_: th |
| 11:37.05 | rwhitby | x |
| 11:37.32 | Henrikw | daxxar: yeah, it's really quiet. not long before that changes though |
| 11:38.27 | daxxar | True |
| 11:38.33 | daxxar | Couple'o weks |
| 11:38.34 | daxxar | weeks |
| 11:38.46 | Henrikw | mhm |
| 11:39.03 | Henrikw | loads of confused people :p |
| 11:39.59 | daxxar | Hehe |
| 11:42.25 | hhf423 | mave_pan: you already got your Neo? Did you have to pick it up at customs or did UPS deliver it to your door? |
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| 11:45.00 | thomasg_ | hhf423, don't know if a answer from me is ok, too: usually UPS delivers to your door |
| 11:46.21 | mjr | yeah at least here in Finland they took care of the customs (and charged me, of coursE) |
| 11:46.26 | mjr | and home-delivered |
| 11:46.35 | thomasg_ | mjr, yes, they always do |
| 11:46.42 | thomasg_ | the same for fedex |
| 11:46.52 | thomasg_ | maybe thats the reason, why they are so expensive :) |
| 11:46.59 | thomasg_ | but I like this service |
| 11:48.47 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2618 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-dialer.c): |
| 11:48.47 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-03 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 11:48.47 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_keypad_dial_clicked), |
| 11:48.47 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (on_talking_accept_call), (on_talking_reject_call), |
| 11:48.47 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (on_incoming_call), (on_incoming_clip), (on_call_progress_changed): |
| 11:48.51 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Create MokoJournalEntry's for all events. |
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| 11:52.42 | hhf423 | thomasg_: did they for you? |
| 11:52.42 | hhf423 | that sounds good |
| 11:52.43 | thomasg_ | hhf423, yes, they did |
| 11:52.43 | hhf423 | thomasg_: ah, thanks. excellent. |
| 11:52.43 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03chris * r2619 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (13 files in 3 dirs): |
| 11:52.43 | CIA-24 | openmoko: - Synchronise with matchbox-desktop-2 |
| 11:52.43 | CIA-24 | openmoko: - Sort rows with NULL components in the event-store to the top |
| 11:52.43 | CIA-24 | openmoko: - Put the 'no events/tasks' message in the treeview for a consistent look |
| 11:52.43 | CIA-24 | openmoko: - Add libmokojournal to dependencies |
| 11:52.43 | CIA-24 | openmoko: - Implement mokojournal summary box (missed calls/unread messages) |
| 11:52.56 | hhf423 | thomasg_: which shipping did you choose? slow, medium or fast? |
| 11:53.56 | ashnazg | hhf423: are you listed on the P1 Owners wiki page? |
| 11:54.06 | hhf423 | yes |
| 11:55.28 | ashnazg | hhf423: black or orange phone? |
| 11:56.13 | thomasg_ | hhf423, we chose express |
| 11:56.24 | ashnazg | hhf423: never mind, found you on there :P |
| 11:57.02 | hhf423 | ashnazg: I told them I prefer black, but if orage is faster, then orange :-) |
| 11:57.32 | hhf423 | thomasg_: which is the fastest, I think. Ok, so about 6 days from payment notice to arrival |
| 11:57.40 | ashnazg | hhf423: probably black then... I'm #1930 waiting for orange, and that color seems to be the slower to bill/ship |
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| 11:59.57 | paravoid | Kaloz: I don't agree, having a softmac device means that all of the stack is a) in Linux b) hence in GPL |
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| 12:00.12 | Kaloz | paravoid: BS |
| 12:00.35 | paravoid | Kaloz: why? |
| 12:01.04 | Kaloz | paravoid: having a softmac device menas you have to deal with all the timing and other crap in the driver |
| 12:01.18 | thomasg_ | ashnazg, it is known, that the first batch was mostly black devices, only a little white/orange. in the second batch you will recieve your's I guess |
| 12:01.51 | ashnazg | thomasg_: that's what I'm thinking too... only notes about second group I can find say mid-late August :( |
| 12:02.12 | paravoid | Kaloz: yes, having a softmac means that you have to do a *lot* more in the driver |
| 12:02.24 | paravoid | Kaloz: but that's a good thing, you have more flexibility |
| 12:02.37 | Kaloz | you are so wrong :) |
| 12:03.00 | Kaloz | you don't have more flexibility, as the uploadable firmware still restricts what you can do most of the time |
| 12:03.10 | Kaloz | if you want flexibility, you can go for software controlled radio |
| 12:03.17 | Kaloz | but that's a totally different topic :) |
| 12:03.30 | ashnazg | there's two sides to that coin... do you prefer using database constraints, or do you write all your data integrity enforcement directly into your code? |
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| 12:03.44 | ashnazg | it's the same kind of pro/con list... |
| 12:03.45 | paravoid | Kaloz: ah, so you don't call (old) atheros "softmac" |
| 12:03.50 | ashnazg | as far as flexibility anyway... |
| 12:04.29 | paravoid | Kaloz: atheros 5k doesn't have a firmware at all, loadable or not |
| 12:04.43 | Kaloz | paravoid: atheros ar5k cards always have been software controlled, they never have firmware |
| 12:04.57 | Kaloz | I know. but this means they are software controlled radios |
| 12:05.30 | paravoid | so, that's the problem with that? |
| 12:05.39 | paravoid | s/that/what/ |
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| 12:05.59 | paravoid | ok, the have a HAL |
| 12:06.06 | paravoid | but it will fully reverse engineered |
| 12:06.09 | paravoid | soonish, I guess |
| 12:06.16 | Kaloz | and? |
| 12:06.23 | Kaloz | I'm still missing your point |
| 12:06.33 | Kaloz | the ar5k and the ar6k are totally different designs |
| 12:06.42 | Kaloz | different features, different markets |
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| 12:08.14 | drizzt | hi all ! |
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| 12:09.20 | drizzt | do you know if hardware for next version is freezed ? |
| 12:09.21 | aloril | drizzt: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 12:10.12 | LionKMP | lol |
| 12:10.18 | paravoid | well, my "objection" (more like of an argument) was that, if I understand correctly, ar6k isn't very... flexible |
| 12:10.37 | mmazur | My neo is already in poland. Maybe they'll ship it tomorrow? <wants> |
| 12:10.40 | paravoid | it gets 802.3 frames from the host, isn't that correct? |
| 12:11.11 | mjr | oh how cute, somebody on the community list wants his device duty-free |
| 12:11.22 | mjr | and blames OpenMoko |
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| 12:14.00 | Mukunda | What's the fastest way to get an OpenMoko enviroment up and running? Are there any binaries for Ubuntu? |
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| 12:18.38 | thomasg_ | Mukunda, don't know about binaries, but the easiest way (if you don't have problems like me ^^) is to use MokoMakefile I guess |
| 12:19.48 | Richlv | one more thing i can't find on the wiki... will there be any other charging options besides usb ? |
| 12:20.16 | mjr | Richlv, no |
| 12:20.28 | jgm | rwhitby: yep, because I bet you have such a shortage of computers in your house that you need to use your router... |
| 12:20.31 | Richlv | oh, crap. that's kinda bad |
| 12:20.34 | thomasg_ | Richlv, why? |
| 12:20.59 | Richlv | so i would be left without phone when going anywhere ? |
| 12:21.01 | thomasg_ | you can get a usb-charger for the standard plug for 10 bucks |
| 12:21.09 | Mukunda | thomasg_: yes, I've found that, how long does it take to get that up and running? I'd like to play with something tonight. |
| 12:21.10 | Richlv | ah, ok. now that's better :) |
| 12:21.20 | thomasg_ | mini-usb is a good choise imho |
| 12:21.20 | Richlv | i hope 02 will include one in package ? |
| 12:21.23 | rwhitby | jgm: actually, the desktops and laptop in my house run windows. And dfu-util doesn't work on vmware, so my router (or the NSLU2 next to it, but it's usb ports are busy) are the only devices which can reliably reflash it. |
| 12:21.30 | thomasg_ | saves space and you can get a charger nearby everywhere |
| 12:21.42 | jgm | Didn't figure you for a windows guy... |
| 12:21.42 | thomasg_ | Mukunda, depends on your hardware |
| 12:22.02 | thomasg_ | if it runs wouthout a problem, it takes about 2-3 hours on my athlon64 3000+ iirc |
| 12:22.21 | Mukunda | Core duo 1.66Ghz. Hmm. |
| 12:22.29 | Mukunda | Probably be early in the morning then. |
| 12:22.35 | rwhitby | jgm: I'm not the only person in my house who uses the computers, nor is Linux development the only thing I use my laptop for ... |
| 12:22.39 | daxxar | Are the shipped microsds partitioned? Do they have any content? |
| 12:22.51 | thomasg_ | rwhitby, so get a ubuntu livecd and you should be fine |
| 12:22.57 | LionKMP | simple question: why does everyone compare openmoko to iphone? as I can see they have nothing to do with/agains each other. |
| 12:22.58 | mjr | they have a single vfat formatted partition, probably straight from sandisk |
| 12:22.59 | jgm | Fair enough |
| 12:23.01 | Psi_ | daxxar, mine was partitioned |
| 12:23.01 | thomasg_ | daxxar, they aren't and they don't |
| 12:23.15 | thomasg_ | or yes, vfat is on it, but this is vom sandisk, I guess |
| 12:23.19 | LionKMP | (other than with/against any other phone) |
| 12:23.29 | rwhitby | thomasg_: you assume I don't *want* to use my router to reflash the neo ;-) |
| 12:23.32 | thomasg_ | well, the first thing I did was deleting the vfat partition and creating an ext2 volume :) |
| 12:23.35 | Richlv | LionKMP, maybe because there were some persons who hoped that ophone would be decent ? ;) |
| 12:23.49 | daxxar | Okay, great. :-) |
| 12:23.50 | Mukunda | Oh also, what is the dead pixel policy with the Neo1973's? I'm thinking about getting one when I get back from my holiday to China... But it's a lot of money on my wage. :-\ |
| 12:23.53 | Psi_ | ah, its vfat, never really checked |
| 12:24.03 | daxxar | I purchased a bigger microSD, then I can just pop that in and have no issues. |
| 12:24.09 | LionKMP | Richlv: if not decent then even less reasons to compare :) |
| 12:24.10 | thomasg_ | rwhitby, I assume you are insane :P |
| 12:24.16 | Psi_ | i cant say ive ever seen a dead pixel on a cellphone before |
| 12:24.28 | thomasg_ | Psi_, the same for me |
| 12:24.32 | thomasg_ | but the neo is the first :( |
| 12:24.37 | Mukunda | Psi_: yes, but traditionally cell phone screens have been crappy and low quality and not too hard to make. |
| 12:24.37 | SpeedEvil | Return it! |
| 12:24.38 | jgm | I use both too, but primarily linux. Windows lives well enough in a VM for me |
| 12:24.52 | SpeedEvil | I'll privmsg you the return address. |
| 12:24.58 | daxxar | ^_^ |
| 12:25.00 | Mukunda | thomasg_: you've seen a dead pixel on the neo? |
| 12:25.04 | thomasg_ | yeah |
| 12:25.05 | rwhitby | thomasg_: MokoSlug (NSLU2 running custom firmware to act as a bluetooth to wifi access point for Neo's) is a perfect device for reflashing ... |
| 12:25.05 | mjr | daxxar, yeah, you really don't need to have anything on the microsd to boot |
| 12:25.06 | thomasg_ | on mine |
| 12:25.20 | thomasg_ | SpeedEvil, but I do not want to be a few weeks without a neo :( |
| 12:25.22 | Mukunda | Oh damn, heh. That'd be gutting. |
| 12:25.38 | SpeedEvil | Can you actually see the pixel? :) |
| 12:25.41 | SpeedEvil | In normal use |
| 12:25.50 | thomasg_ | erm, depends |
| 12:25.55 | thomasg_ | I can see it on black backgroudns |
| 12:26.00 | thomasg_ | in "real" normal use, I can't |
| 12:26.00 | Psi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.10 | rwhitby | jgm: to tell you the truth, I can't stand the Linux GUIs. Somewhere someone forgot that a GUI is just a way to make multiple command lines available ... |
| 12:26.12 | thomasg_ | 2 dead subpixels, red and blue |
| 12:26.14 | thomasg_ | so it's green |
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| 12:26.59 | mjr | rwhitby, "the Linux GUIs" is a *cough* somewhat varied group of thingies, and no, not all of them have |
| 12:27.00 | thomasg_ | SpeedEvil, I also have a dead pixel on my high-quality flatscreen, I can live with it |
| 12:27.01 | Dmitry_Platonov | rwhitby, it was done long ago with screen :-) |
| 12:27.09 | thomasg_ | the same for the neo: it isn't nice, but I think I can live with it |
| 12:27.18 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Hear_Me_FIC]] [[Talk:Wiki_Issues]] [[Talk:Listen_Up_Community]] [[Template:Signature]] [[Listen_Up_Community]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Main_Page]] [[Hear_Me_FIC]] [[MacOS_X]] [[Wiki_Issues]] [[640x480]] [[Application_Development_Crash_Course]] and other changes |
| 12:27.30 | SpeedEvil | Anyone an idea what 'chgcur' is on teh neo? |
| 12:27.43 | Mukunda | I myself would be gutted having dead pixel, but also because a Neo1973 would be an expensive purchase for me. |
| 12:27.57 | thomasg_ | SpeedEvil, sounds like change current, maybe to set the usb power mode? but thats only a assumption |
| 12:28.13 | rwhitby | Dmitry_Platonov: only one problem with screen - the default Ctrl-A binding is start-of-line in Emacs, so my muscle memory kills me if I use screen. |
| 12:28.38 | rwhitby | so I just use emacs with multiple shell buffers on the router. |
| 12:28.59 | Psi_ | i discovered a blue pixel on my dell 24" last week, but at 1920x1200 the pixels are so damn small and because its blue and not stuck fully on its damn hard to find |
| 12:29.03 | thomasg_ | I'm sure, that my dead pixel wasn't dead at the beginning - it died after 15 minutes running |
| 12:29.09 | Psi_ | so hence, doesnt bother me |
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| 12:29.49 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 12:29.53 | thomasg_ | well, however, it doesn't really matter, it still works and - I have it :) |
| 12:29.54 | Stephmw | ... I found my 1st dead pixel in my dSLR a few weeks back (it's stuck on RED), thankfully it's near the side of the frame |
| 12:30.01 | SpeedEvil | A) My neo violates the second laws of thermodynamics. |
| 12:30.12 | SpeedEvil | B) the scaling on the chgcur is incorrect. |
| 12:30.25 | Mukunda | Well thanks guys! |
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| 12:30.31 | thomasg_ | whats the second laws of thermodynamics? |
| 12:30.32 | SpeedEvil | err. |
| 12:30.33 | SpeedEvil | b. |
| 12:30.47 | rwhitby | Anyone who can run dfu-util on a desktop linux machine, and check the Transfer Size that it prints when downloading to the device? |
| 12:30.57 | SpeedEvil | 'energy cannot be created or destroyed' |
| 12:31.06 | SpeedEvil | The battery charging power is >> the input power |
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| 12:31.31 | thomasg_ | really the power, not the current? :) |
| 12:31.32 | Richlv | <thomasg_> you can get a usb-charger for the standard plug for 10 bucks |
| 12:31.40 | Richlv | it would be really good if this was included in package for 02 |
| 12:31.45 | SpeedEvil | power = voltage * current |
| 12:31.47 | daxxar | Isn't that the first law of thermodynamics, SpeedEvil? |
| 12:31.48 | thomasg_ | Richlv, indeed |
| 12:31.51 | Richlv | i can imagine people screaming about lack of one. like i was ;) |
| 12:31.52 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
| 12:31.52 | thomasg_ | SpeedEvil, I know that :) |
| 12:31.59 | thomasg_ | that's why I asked |
| 12:32.12 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008$ cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008/battemp seems way out. |
| 12:32.16 | SpeedEvil | reading 9c. |
| 12:32.23 | SpeedEvil | Must be 20C or so. |
| 12:32.26 | Richlv | i believe second law was about increasing entropy, wasn't it ? |
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| 12:32.39 | Richlv | onion had an article about christians protesting against second law ;> |
| 12:32.40 | SpeedEvil | Probably, yes. |
| 12:32.59 | jgm | The three laws of thermodynamic (abridged): 1) we cannot win, 2) we are bound to lose, 3) we cannot get out of the game |
| 12:33.16 | Richlv | thomasg_, is there point suggesting inclusion of such adapter somewhere, or is it obvious enough and will be included anyway ? |
| 12:33.46 | thomasg_ | Richlv, don't know, maybe you should write to the mailinglist |
| 12:33.47 | jgm | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1#Why_is_there_no_charger_included |
| 12:33.50 | thomasg_ | ah, ok |
| 12:33.53 | Psi_ | oh, something to keep an eye on. Today my neo crashed while in the middle of a call. i held the power button in to force a power off, it switched off, but i noticed that the GSM was still running (could hear the gsm beeps on the headset) |
| 12:34.31 | thomasg_ | as I have a dozend usb-cables, a car charger, a normal charger and so on, it doesn't really matter for me again :) |
| 12:34.32 | Richlv | jgm, well, that's about 01, i guess |
| 12:34.44 | Richlv | if 02 is supposed for mass market... |
| 12:34.45 | rwhitby | Psi_: that's the secret CIA trojan keeping your GSM running and listening to your microphone even when the phone is off. |
| 12:34.52 | Psi_ | hehe yeah |
| 12:35.11 | Richlv | missing charger might not be as bad as iphone battery, but what a mess will be screamed in slashdot and other places :) |
| 12:35.14 | rwhitby | Someone in the CIA must have got their P1 device and sent the virus out ... |
| 12:35.45 | jgm | Yeah but the point is that there were saying that the reason there isn't one with P1 is that they haven't sourced one yet, which means that they are looking to (but I suspect they figured that we wouldn't be impressed if they held back shipment pending the chargers) |
| 12:35.58 | thomasg_ | Psi_, I can explain you why: you held the power button only 5 secs, so the neo turns the screen off, but it isn't really powered off. holding 9 seconds should work |
| 12:36.04 | Richlv | jgm, sure, that's understandable for 01 |
| 12:36.42 | Psi_ | thomasg_, ok, thanks |
| 12:37.06 | Psi_ | that could definitely have been what happened |
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| 12:37.48 | thomasg_ | it's a bit confusing at moment |
| 12:37.59 | SpeedEvil | Where is the SD device - I can't find it in the wiki |
| 12:37.59 | Richlv | just that it would be a pity if standalone charger was forgotten :) |
| 12:38.02 | thomasg_ | even if you use "power down" from the openmoko gui, it doesn't really power off |
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| 12:38.20 | Psi_ | Richlv, they will have to have one for the mass market phone |
| 12:38.20 | SpeedEvil | The GSM device is connected directly to the battery. |
| 12:38.31 | Psi_ | not everybody has a PC |
| 12:38.33 | SpeedEvil | It has to be told to switch off. |
| 12:38.34 | thomasg_ | SpeedEvil, it's /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 12:38.36 | thomasg_ | iirc |
| 12:38.45 | Psi_ | SpeedEvil, interesting |
| 12:38.53 | Richlv | Psi_, yeah, that's what i was hinting about :) |
| 12:38.57 | SpeedEvil | Unable to read /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 12:38.59 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 12:39.12 | Psi_ | that is not spelt right |
| 12:39.15 | thomasg_ | sd card is in the device? :P |
| 12:39.15 | SpeedEvil | Is s3cmci the driver? |
| 12:39.19 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 12:39.39 | thomasg_ | hm, not sure, but your kernel version needs to fit to the rootfs, because modules are used |
| 12:39.57 | SpeedEvil | What is the module needed? |
| 12:40.24 | Psi_ | SpeedEvil, is /dev/mmcblk0 what you actually typed, because it looks 1 letter short |
| 12:40.53 | thomasg_ | s3cmci should be correct |
| 12:41.18 | SpeedEvil | I copied/pasted. |
| 12:41.32 | thomasg_ | mmcblk0 is correct for me |
| 12:41.38 | SpeedEvil | cat mmcblk0 |
| 12:41.39 | SpeedEvil | cat: Read Error: Input/output error |
| 12:41.54 | Psi_ | i was sure mine was something like mmcblkb0 |
| 12:41.54 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 12:42.13 | thomasg_ | I can't moutn it, but cat works for me |
| 12:42.29 | mjr | I've had I/O errors on the block device on heavy writing, but not reading so far (reported) |
| 12:42.42 | thomasg_ | Psi_, I'm connected to the neo, and its' definately mmcblk0 for me :) |
| 12:42.51 | Psi_ | weird |
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| 12:44.01 | SpeedEvil | <3>mmcblk0: error 1 transferring data |
| 12:44.18 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if I bent my wookie. |
| 12:44.43 | SpeedEvil | Err - flimsy bit of cheese that the microSD is held in with. |
| 12:44.49 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if I need to format it. |
| 12:45.51 | Richlv | i don't have even a single one =) |
| 12:45.53 | mjr | I have a USB charger that doesn't fit the local sockets here... Should get an adapter. Does accept the voltage. |
| 12:46.11 | jgm | SpeedEvil: if the card is okay it should mount on /media/card |
| 12:46.20 | jgm | The one that I received was already formatted |
| 12:46.24 | SpeedEvil | I've just got /media/ram |
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| 12:46.29 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 12:47.02 | rwhitby | heh - I just realised why my dfu-utils downloads are so slow on the NSLU2 and router - they are both big-endian devices, and the transfer-size in the usb descriptor is little-endian, meaning that I'm transferring 16 bytes per USB transaction instead of 0x1000 bytes! |
| 12:47.18 | Psi_ | my sd device is /dev/mmcblk0p1 just checked |
| 12:47.28 | hhf423 | I brought one USB charger for my ipod, then reused it to power a USB HDD on my router, got one more USB charger for my alarm clock and digital pen and somehow sometimes I am one short |
| 12:48.08 | Psi_ | all you need now is a usb charger for your wireless usb charger :P |
| 12:48.55 | hhf423 | I think my active USB hub is rubbish as it does not charge attached devices while the computer is off |
| 12:49.09 | hhf423 | then, I do not know if it is supposed to |
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| 12:51.51 | XorA | hhf423: enable wakeup on USB on your motherboard and your computer keeps usb ports live when off |
| 12:52.37 | BryceLeo | XorA: that's a pain, because then if you have an optical usb mouse it ends up always being on |
| 12:53.40 | hhf423 | XorA: ah, thats an idea, will look into this |
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| 12:54.16 | hhf423 | BryceLeo: fair, but what does a optical mouse draw... I think this is not much |
| 12:54.48 | hhf423 | oooh, flame ware incoming on UK import VAT/duty vs Neo |
| 12:54.57 | hhf423 | on community mailing list |
| 12:55.59 | ynezz | wow, I don't believe that it's possible in DE/EU :p http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/93759 |
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| 12:56.44 | ynezz | I always thought, that money rule this world... |
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| 12:57.59 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03njp * r2620 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-contacts.c src/moko-dialer.c): |
| 12:57.59 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-03 Neil J. Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 12:58.00 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-contacts.c: (moko_contacts_lookup): |
| 12:58.00 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Check entry is valid before performing operations on it. |
| 12:58.01 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/moko-dialer.c: (on_incoming_clip), (moko_dialer_dispose): |
| 12:58.03 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Make sure to write to the journal on dispose. |
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| 13:00.46 | SpeedEvil | My wookie had bent. |
| 13:00.55 | SpeedEvil | The MMC card fell out. |
| 13:01.45 | XorA | a whole massive, 20 GBP |
| 13:02.03 | ewon | XorA: you lucky bastard :) |
| 13:02.07 | ewon | how did you manage that? |
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| 13:02.50 | XorA | ewon: only VAT on postage costs |
| 13:02.53 | thomasg_ | XorA, thats the standard way in EU |
| 13:02.59 | XorA | ewon: as it was a developer board |
| 13:03.03 | thomasg_ | ah, ok |
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| 13:03.08 | thomasg_ | that isn't standard |
| 13:03.15 | ewon | XorA: oh, it was a dev preview, ok :) |
| 13:03.17 | thomasg_ | we paid VAT on (device+shipping) |
| 13:03.32 | *** part/#openmoko holtmann (n=holtmann@nikita.holtmann.net) |
| 13:03.37 | XorA | thomasg_: yes, hence why the guy on the mailing list paid slightly more |
| 13:03.38 | freskog_work | VAT != import duty... |
| 13:03.53 | thomasg_ | so it is freskog |
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| 13:05.21 | XorA | and if he really is running a company as he claims, he can claim that VAT back |
| 13:05.31 | mjr | well, could |
| 13:05.48 | mjr | instead he just chose to return it without further thought |
| 13:05.53 | mjr | silly person |
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| 13:06.20 | squalyl | hi |
| 13:06.28 | jgm | Think the problem was that it was a snap decision. The guy is at the door with a parcel and a request for money and he either says 'yes' and pays or 'no' and back it goes |
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| 13:07.06 | XorA | it was delivered UPS, so he gets to say, cant pay you now, come back tomorrow |
| 13:07.13 | guillaum1 | hi squalyl, hi woglinde |
| 13:07.23 | woglinde | hi |
| 13:07.27 | woglinde | hi guillaum |
| 13:07.30 | woglinde | hi xora |
| 13:07.35 | XorA | hey woglinde |
| 13:08.07 | hhf423 | yes, it sounds like he had a bad day anyway and then made a snap decision |
| 13:08.12 | guillaum1 | woglinde, I think I found the problem in the Qt backend |
| 13:08.21 | hhf423 | and now he has no Neo and needs to pay the shipping |
| 13:08.23 | mjr | yes, and then blames others for it, which is the ass part |
| 13:08.24 | woglinde | guillaum cool |
| 13:08.30 | woglinde | maybee I can test it |
| 13:09.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 680 has been created by <Elrond> |
| 13:09.02 | cdbot2 | * * "nand lock status": Start address always zero |
| 13:09.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=680 |
| 13:09.09 | hhf423 | well, maybe there should be a more explicit statement in the shop saying "I understand that I have to pay VAT and import duty depending on where I live" |
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| 13:09.40 | hhf423 | say, did anyone try to attach a USB ethernet card to the Neo? |
| 13:10.03 | mjr | "And I also won't blame OpenMoko or FIC if I try to eat the phone and suffocate" |
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| 13:10.07 | hhf423 | (with an active hub in between of course as the Neo is passive) |
| 13:10.08 | guillaum1 | woglinde, yeah it would be great. it's in SVN trunk (QTCanvas class and native part was changed) |
| 13:10.24 | BryceLeo | rwhitby: you still around? |
| 13:10.38 | guillaum1 | woglinde, and I added the pulseaudio backend too |
| 13:10.57 | hhf423 | mjr: what?! if I can not eat the phone I'll have to return it!!1! thats outrageous, one should always be able to eat ones phone!1!! |
| 13:11.03 | woglinde | guillaum ah |
| 13:11.18 | woglinde | I would suggest if you have problems ask xora |
| 13:11.28 | woglinde | he is from wolfson *g* |
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| 13:11.38 | rwhitby | BryceLeo: yep |
| 13:11.56 | BryceLeo | rwhitby: have you been looking at the 2007.2 release? |
| 13:12.06 | rwhitby | BryceLeo: nope |
| 13:12.16 | BryceLeo | rwhitby: it's one heck of a big change |
| 13:12.20 | rwhitby | yep |
| 13:12.43 | abraxa_ | BryceLeo: Nothing he can do to push it, there'll be an announcement soon - and then the switch will be officially made |
| 13:12.59 | rwhitby | abraxa_: yep |
| 13:13.29 | woglinde | hm bt 2.1 +edr |
| 13:13.32 | BryceLeo | well i realize that |
| 13:14.28 | BryceLeo | just making comentary seeing if there were any strong thoughts out there |
| 13:15.36 | jgm | I'm waiting for it to become a bit more official, seems somewhat premature at current |
| 13:16.24 | BryceLeo | i'll give you that, but it is nice now that we're not working out of an overlay and fit better with OE |
| 13:17.03 | SpeedEvil | Are the various kernel twiddles documented anywhere on the wiki - other than the source? |
| 13:17.10 | jgm | Yeah it *should* give everyone easier lives, I guess we'll see |
| 13:17.14 | jgm | Nope, get documenting :) |
| 13:17.53 | Dmitry_Platonov | will OM-2007.2 be integrated into OE tree? |
| 13:18.13 | happycube | dmitry - already is :) |
| 13:19.14 | woglinde | hm |
| 13:19.19 | woglinde | -> http://www.sand-labs.org/owb |
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| 13:20.17 | Dmitry_Platonov | hm. so, if I'll checkout fresh OE, set DISTRO=openmoko and MACHINE = "fic-gta01", it will just build? |
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| 13:20.37 | rwhitby | Dmitry_Platonov: with bitbake 1.8.5 or later, yes. |
| 13:20.52 | BryceLeo | Dmitry_Platonov: gsm will probably fail building |
| 13:20.59 | woglinde | dimtry yes it should |
| 13:21.18 | happycube | oddly the front page dosen't say what OWB actually *is* |
| 13:21.35 | BryceLeo | Dmitry_Platonov: the quick work around is to just go into the bb file and change all patch= to 0 |
| 13:21.38 | woglinde | happycube webkit based browser |
| 13:21.51 | BryceLeo | ahhh ok, don't we have webkit gdk though? |
| 13:21.53 | happycube | oooooh |
| 13:22.04 | Hadaka | I'm currently trying to build poky for this device of mine - but it's going to be a while |
| 13:22.33 | happycube | a direct SDL port - innnteresting |
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| 13:25.16 | BryceLeo | be back later |
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| 13:39.19 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2621 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtkrc: * Disable icons in menus and buttons |
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| 13:40.58 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: Import Duty - I have refused my delivery. |
| 13:41.12 | SpeedEvil | Err - what? |
| 13:41.31 | woglinde | lol |
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| 13:43.16 | woglinde | lol |
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| 13:43.26 | woglinde | he didnt know about vat |
| 13:44.52 | woglinde | lol |
| 13:45.09 | woglinde | reading the thread it seems he is smuggler |
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| 13:46.22 | woglinde | he mickeyl |
| 13:46.34 | TRIsoft | hi mickeyl |
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| 13:47.06 | blubub | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.08 | mickeyl | morning |
| 13:47.32 | Elrond | Hi mickeyl! |
| 13:47.39 | Elrond | Oh, and hi TRIsoft |
| 13:47.46 | woglinde | hi elrond |
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| 13:47.54 | Elrond | Hi woglinde |
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| 13:47.57 | woglinde | gulliaum1 yes you fixes seems right |
| 13:47.58 | TRIsoft | hi Elrond ;-) |
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| 13:48.10 | mickeyl | morning TRIsoft |
| 13:48.18 | mickeyl | blubub: just a random guy lurking around |
| 13:48.24 | mickeyl | ~emulate mickeyl |
| 13:48.43 | mickeyl | hmm apt ? |
| 13:48.56 | mickeyl | apt: emulate kergoth |
| 13:48.56 | apt | Hmm... I know I was supposed to be doing something. I wonder what it was. |
| 13:49.00 | TRIsoft | mickeyl: apt is already having a relaxing weekend |
| 13:49.13 | mickeyl | looks like it |
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| 13:50.01 | daxxar | hm, Vegar |
| 13:50.21 | daxxar | Vegar: The total cost: 2 226,70 for the device & shipment, 612,00 for VAT. |
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| 13:52.51 | noiddd | mickeyl: you got a sec? |
| 13:53.08 | mickeyl | sure |
| 13:53.11 | mickeyl | what's up? |
| 13:54.02 | noiddd | do openembedded and openmoko share a repository - ie, should i be mailing them the .bb files I have for the openembedded side of the house |
| 13:54.21 | noiddd | I'm using mokomakefile and I just build 6 or 7 recipies for the openembedded side of the house |
| 13:54.41 | noiddd | I ported Gtk2 perl bindings to oe last night |
| 13:55.09 | noiddd | all that is left to do is make the manifest list for the .ipk and its done |
| 13:55.36 | tuukkah | has anyone tried dasher yet? there seems to be an oe package for it |
| 13:56.15 | woglinde | noiddd bugs.openembedded.org and attach your patches |
| 13:56.33 | noiddd | roger that. |
| 13:57.11 | stefan_schmidt | noiddd: yes, oe is our upstream and we are closer now again. So just use the upstream and we will use it. :) |
| 13:57.33 | woglinde | if you dont know how to write a .bb hm leaf it to us or read http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/bbfile |
| 13:57.46 | woglinde | leave |
| 13:57.48 | woglinde | damnit |
| 13:58.50 | noiddd | woglinde: I've already written the .bb's and patches required |
| 13:59.05 | noiddd | I'm still getting used to some of the idiosyncracies of bitbake. |
| 13:59.17 | noiddd | (I've not committed anything to oe since the buildroot / bitkeeper days |
| 13:59.26 | noiddd | trying to recify that |
| 13:59.57 | woglinde | jgm yes they are |
| 14:00.18 | woglinde | but personal I find oe has very talented people and good vision |
| 14:00.38 | mickeyl | noiddd: the oe overlay is pretty much dead. OpenMoko 2007.2 will be based on org.openembedded.dev and Angstrom. We will have to launch a branch when it comes to a release, however even that will happen in org.openembedded.* namespace. |
| 14:01.08 | Elrond | jgm - hehe, yeah. :-) |
| 14:01.09 | noiddd | So, as long as I pass it upstream it will end up in openmoko 2007.2? |
| 14:01.21 | noiddd | I'm guessing I don't need to do anything specific for angstrom ? |
| 14:01.36 | mickeyl | noiddd: right |
| 14:01.51 | noiddd | angstrom is just a different build image right? it doesn't change bitbake or anything like that. Just a different .dd |
| 14:01.53 | noiddd | err, .bb |
| 14:02.00 | woglinde | noidd right |
| 14:02.02 | woglinde | hi hrw |
| 14:02.03 | noiddd | awesome. |
| 14:02.06 | mickeyl | just set DISTRO=openmoko and we are doing the rest |
| 14:02.06 | hrw | re |
| 14:02.16 | woglinde | noidd just distro |
| 14:02.30 | woglinde | which preselects glibc an other stuff |
| 14:02.46 | woglinde | on based of this you build your image gpe opie ,... |
| 14:02.53 | noiddd | shiny |
| 14:03.23 | jgm | Any idea how long until this settles down to something usable by people who don't know/care too much about the specifics of the distribution (e.g. me)? The acid test for me will be when it all works from mokomakefile... |
| 14:03.42 | noiddd | jgm: mokomakefile works for me currently |
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| 14:03.53 | jgm | noiddd: out of the box with OM2007.2? |
| 14:04.05 | noiddd | I don't know about om2007.2 |
| 14:04.16 | rwhitby | mickeyl: when should we look at switching MokoMakefile? |
| 14:04.22 | jgm | Sorry, that was the bit I meant. I have a distribution working, but it's based on OM2007 at current |
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| 14:04.59 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03chris * r2622 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-today2/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Launch the appropriate apps when clicking the summaries on the home page |
| 14:06.05 | Hadaka | jgm: I don't think anyone is decently building 2007.2 at the moment (except devs) |
| 14:06.42 | woglinde | hadake arent we all devs? |
| 14:07.32 | noiddd | except build environment devs |
| 14:07.34 | noiddd | ;-) |
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| 14:12.03 | mickeyl | rwhitby: lets do that when the official announcement is due. |
| 14:12.16 | mickeyl | rwhitby: which should arrive within the next 10 days if all goes well |
| 14:12.57 | rwhitby | mickeyl: ok, let's coordinate on that then. |
| 14:13.06 | mickeyl | yep, thanks |
| 14:13.20 | Hadaka | 10 days?! I'm gonna be gnawing on my neo1973 in 48 hours if I don't manage to run something else than the official images on it |
| 14:13.38 | woglinde | pffff |
| 14:13.46 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2623 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/ (10 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:13.46 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-03 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 14:13.46 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Start creating the feedreader2, as with every second version |
| 14:13.46 | CIA-24 | openmoko: there might be some over-engineering but as I'm aware of this |
| 14:13.46 | CIA-24 | openmoko: phenomena I try to avoid the bad things. |
| 14:13.50 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Start with creating a Configuration model and the actual FeedData |
| 14:13.52 | CIA-24 | openmoko: model. The implementation will be copied and pasted from main.c |
| 14:14.21 | Hadaka | this poky build is taking forever due to slow mirrors for the sources :( |
| 14:14.29 | jgm | mickeyl: will om2007.2 have a new standard set of widgets or will it still use gtk? I want to write some GUI stuff but not if I'm going to have to burn it all again in 2 weeks' time |
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| 14:14.49 | hrw | qt7/opengl |
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| 14:15.22 | Spydon | Where can I find the .po files so I can help you translate apps? |
| 14:15.23 | aloril | Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (gives this link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ ) |
| 14:15.39 | rwhitby | mickeyl: BTW, did I ever report the results of my drop test to you guys> |
| 14:15.46 | calamous1_ | Anyone know anything more about 3g sim cards? |
| 14:16.08 | mickeyl | rwhitby: oops, no. what did you do? |
| 14:16.11 | woglinde | calamous1 for the neo or in general? |
| 14:16.20 | calamous1_ | woglinde: For the new |
| 14:16.22 | calamous1_ | neo* |
| 14:16.43 | rwhitby | mickeyl: I had the neo in my jacket pocket, and pulled my jacket out of the car when dropping my son at school. |
| 14:16.46 | Spydon | Anyone who knows where I can find the .po or .pot files? |
| 14:17.06 | mickeyl | rwhitby: urghs. how far did it fell? |
| 14:17.12 | woglinde | Spydon for what? |
| 14:17.23 | rwhitby | the neo (bv4) flew from about chest height for about 1.5m away from me, onto the road. |
| 14:17.25 | Spydon | for anything :P |
| 14:17.33 | mickeyl | jgm: still Gtk, however we' |
| 14:17.38 | woglinde | not all soft has .po or .pot files |
| 14:17.38 | SpeedEvil | That's why the lanyard is included :) |
| 14:17.43 | mickeyl | re going to introduce different toolkits to complement the platform at a later point. |
| 14:18.01 | Spydon | I want to help and translate something :P |
| 14:18.20 | woglinde | spydon its to early for that |
| 14:18.30 | noiddd | Spydon: I would assume the translations should be done with each application maintainer |
| 14:18.31 | Spydon | okay |
| 14:18.47 | jgm | mickeyl: great thanks |
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| 14:19.03 | rwhitby | mickeyl: the plastic casing came apart a bit around the aux button and bluetooth antenna (I expect it was the BT antenna's weight which did that), but apart from that and a couple of scratches on the plastic it all seems to work still. |
| 14:19.06 | Spydon | where can I find the maintainers then? :P |
| 14:19.19 | mickeyl | rwhitby: d'oh. |
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| 14:19.31 | noiddd | Spydon: check the source code READMEs, AUTHORs etc |
| 14:19.53 | Elrond | Are there more toolkits than SCM systems out there? ;o) |
| 14:19.54 | Spydon | Where do I get the source code then :P hehe |
| 14:19.57 | rwhitby | mickeyl: BTW, just used the USB port on my router to reflash the neo :-) |
| 14:20.06 | mickeyl | rwhitby: heh, really? that's slick |
| 14:20.28 | woglinde | elrond yes |
| 14:20.34 | noiddd | Spydon: I'll work through an example with you. |
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| 14:20.40 | noiddd | Pick an application |
| 14:20.55 | rwhitby | dfu-util is in optware, so it's available for nslu2, any openwrt routers with usb, maxtor shared storage drive, synology ds101, etc. |
| 14:20.59 | noiddd | (and which languages are you thinking of translating?) |
| 14:21.09 | Spydon | to swedish |
| 14:21.21 | SpeedEvil | What do I need to restart if the top-panel-bar has crashed? |
| 14:21.27 | Spydon | and I have no idea which apps that are out there :P |
| 14:21.36 | rwhitby | mickeyl: next I'm going to package openocd and devirginator, so I can connect the debug board to the router. |
| 14:21.40 | calamous1_ | SpeedEvil: when did you get your neo? |
| 14:21.49 | hhf423 | say, did anyone try to attach a USB ethernet card to the Neo? (with an active hub in between of course as the Neo is passive) |
| 14:21.49 | mickeyl | rwhitby: cool! |
| 14:21.49 | SpeedEvil | calamous1_: earlier today. |
| 14:21.56 | calamous1_ | SpeedEvil: Grats |
| 14:21.56 | stefan_schmidt | SpeedEvil: matchbox-panel-2. Take a look at /etc/matchbox/session |
| 14:22.07 | SpeedEvil | thanks |
| 14:22.42 | calamous1_ | SpeedEvil: I keep reading news about BBC and their iPlayer (for Win). are you upset by that? |
| 14:22.48 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 14:22.52 | noiddd | Ah, Tack |
| 14:22.58 | jgm | Elrond: the difference between toolkits and SCMs is that toolkits look nice, whereas SCMs are much of a muchness |
| 14:23.26 | calamous1_ | BBC is government sponcered so they should release open stuff |
| 14:23.34 | rwhitby | mickeyl: So when Harald said that the target customer for OpenMoko is someone who puts OpenWrt on their router - now they can use that router with OpenWrt to reflash the Neo :-) |
| 14:23.46 | woglinde | rwhiteby *g* |
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| 14:24.24 | hrw | rwhitby: as long that router has usb |
| 14:24.29 | noiddd | the BBC is very Linux and Perl centric - the internal developers are very much against the windows only iplayer thing |
| 14:24.44 | mickeyl | rwhitby: hehe, right. please blog about that, I'm sure a lot of people are interested in that! |
| 14:24.47 | Spydon | noiddd, Where do I get the sourcecode? |
| 14:24.51 | rwhitby | hrw: true, but every self-respecting router these days does :-) |
| 14:25.05 | calamous1_ | noiddd: then why would they release only for win? |
| 14:25.06 | hrw | rwhitby: my wrt54gs is not respecting then |
| 14:25.16 | rwhitby | hrw: nope |
| 14:25.29 | noiddd | calamous1_: as always, there is a difference between management and the people who do the real work :-) |
| 14:25.30 | calamous1_ | I love my WRTsl54gs. its got a use port. Use + Linux = Endless possibilities |
| 14:25.43 | calamous1_ | noiddd: revolution... |
| 14:25.56 | rwhitby | calamous1_: is it running openwrt? |
| 14:26.06 | calamous1_ | rwhitby: of course :) |
| 14:26.15 | calamous1_ | I got that model cause it had the most ram/rom |
| 14:26.21 | calamous1_ | and USB |
| 14:26.48 | calamous1_ | I got a USB hub in there, with a flash drive for storage (the main part is full), a printer, and a bluetooth stick so its my PAN ap too |
| 14:26.58 | rwhitby | calamous1_: when I fix this endian bug in dfu-util, I'll push the package to the openwrt unstable feed. |
| 14:27.16 | happycube | cool |
| 14:27.18 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Samon007]] [[Neo1973:GTA01:Kernel]] [[Window_Manager_Startup]] [[Talk:Hear_Me_FIC]] [[MacOS_X]] [[Talk:MacOS_X]] [[P1_Owners]] [[User:SpeedEvil]] [[Supported_Hardware]] [[Unresolved_Hardware_Questions]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Frankfurt_Main]] and other changes |
| 14:27.26 | rwhitby | oh, hang on - wrt is mipsel, so it will work properly (little endian) |
| 14:27.34 | calamous1_ | rwhitby: how can there be an endian bug. dont people use cross-platform libs? |
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| 14:27.57 | rwhitby | calamous1_: the transfer size word in the dfu descriptor is not endian neutral |
| 14:28.21 | rwhitby | you can work around it by overriding the transfer size on the command line. |
| 14:28.33 | rwhitby | (if you don't, your downloads just go 256 times slower) |
| 14:28.47 | calamous1_ | rwhitby: things like htons or ntohs have been around for years for network programming |
| 14:28.54 | calamous1_ | percicly to pervent endian bugs |
| 14:28.58 | rwhitby | yep |
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| 14:29.17 | calamous1_ | Are you using similar macros to fix the endian bug? |
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| 14:29.34 | rwhitby | calamous1_: there was a FIXME right next to, so the person who wrote it was aware but just didn't have the time probably. |
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| 14:30.14 | calamous1_ | rwhitby: ahh. I understand. well thank you for doing it man |
| 14:30.47 | rwhitby | what's the "host to opposite of network byte order" equivalent to htons? |
| 14:31.45 | so_solid_moo | ntohs? |
| 14:31.46 | calamous1_ | to get back form htons its ntohs |
| 14:32.23 | rwhitby | I need "host to little endian" |
| 14:32.30 | rwhitby | and "little endian to host" |
| 14:32.38 | rwhitby | (since network byte order is big endian) |
| 14:33.28 | rwhitby | on a big endian host, those macros will do nothing. I need something that does nothing on a little endian host. |
| 14:33.33 | calamous1_ | Hmm, not sure you could write a macro for that |
| 14:34.07 | Aria | Sure you could. |
| 14:34.08 | calamous1_ | I always forget is x86 big or little? |
| 14:34.12 | Aria | Little. |
| 14:34.21 | rwhitby | I can obviously do a ntohs and then always swap, but that would be wasteful. |
| 14:34.24 | taneli | swab(3)? |
| 14:34.48 | squalyl | arm in little devices is big endian, and x86 in big machines is little endian it's the opposite :) |
| 14:34.52 | squalyl | (ok arm can be both) |
| 14:35.05 | calamous1_ | Sparc is big right? |
| 14:35.16 | Aria | Yes. |
| 14:35.19 | rwhitby | taneli: swab is unconditional |
| 14:35.50 | squalyl | m68k is big too |
| 14:36.10 | squalyl | only little are x86 and mips (I think) |
| 14:36.52 | calamous1_ | Big endian is the natrual order left to right (inc addrs to right) |
| 14:37.10 | Aria | And armel |
| 14:37.23 | Aria | And don't forget Xinu architectures like Cray. |
| 14:37.26 | calamous1_ | Intel has to be backwards. |
| 14:37.34 | Aria | er.. nuxi |
| 14:38.03 | rwhitby | nslu2-linux, for instance, support both big-endian and little-endian firmware for the NSLU2. |
| 14:38.08 | calamous1_ | Ive never done any asm floating point stuff. but on x86 the FPU is a stack and you must do things in reverse polish notation right? |
| 14:38.20 | hrw | 2 2 + rox |
| 14:38.32 | calamous1_ | is it a bitch to program for that |
| 14:38.42 | rwhitby | someone needs to port the HP41 emulator from the n800 to openmoko |
| 14:38.43 | squalyl | rwhitby: ARM supports both endianess |
| 14:38.46 | calamous1_ | because I just learned that GCC like to make all FPU code sse2/sse3 |
| 14:38.58 | rwhitby | squalyl: yeah, I know that - I lead the nslu2-linux project. |
| 14:38.59 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2624 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/ (18 files in 5 dirs): add neod skeleton |
| 14:39.05 | calamous1_ | and the mmx registers are ailiased with the fp regs |
| 14:39.21 | calamous1_ | I wish we could set a date to boot the x86 arch out the window |
| 14:39.36 | calamous1_ | and go with RISC |
| 14:40.04 | squalyl | risc rocks (same 1st letter) |
| 14:40.08 | Spydon | noiddd, if I want to translate appmanager, how do I do= |
| 14:40.09 | Spydon | ?* |
| 14:41.02 | calamous1_ | squalyl: an optimizing compiler can make risc code so well. cisc only exists to make the asm progs life easier |
| 14:41.09 | hrw | rwhitby: one of panels broke |
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| 14:41.23 | rwhitby | hrw: yeah, gsm icon |
| 14:41.38 | calamous1_ | Besides intels front ends turn all dumb-ass-cisc instructions into uOps (risc like insturctions) before dispatched to the backend |
| 14:42.51 | squalyl | calamous1_: I know ARM code ca be very compact. Once I had some tries with GCC -O<something>, when it uses ony registers code is very compact. That's true. |
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| 14:43.27 | calamous1_ | squalyl: definitely |
| 14:44.34 | calamous1_ | I wonder how many opcodes x86 on the latest intel chip has |
| 14:44.41 | calamous1_ | What is the latest intel chip anyway? |
| 14:44.54 | squalyl | er... Core something? |
| 14:44.56 | calamous1_ | is it that proc with the deceptive name "core" |
| 14:45.04 | calamous1_ | whats the viiv? |
| 14:45.23 | squalyl | only a trademark? |
| 14:45.34 | calamous1_ | ohh |
| 14:45.41 | Spydon | why doesn't all apps have .po files? |
| 14:45.42 | squalyl | that states you computer may be able to run killer apps smoothly? :D |
| 14:45.58 | calamous1_ | lol |
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| 14:46.11 | calamous1_ | I can run counter-strike / wine / linux smoothly |
| 14:46.24 | calamous1_ | but on my amd64 |
| 14:47.05 | calamous1_ | or quake4 directly on linux because John Carmack is great :) |
| 14:47.50 | calamous1_ | squalyl: just wikipediaed viiv and its a bunch of DRM (ewwww) |
| 14:47.59 | squalyl | argh |
| 14:48.58 | jgm | Spydon: because some devs don't do the whole i18n thing |
| 14:49.12 | Spydon | ok |
| 14:49.41 | jgm | (They should, of course, they just don't) |
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| 15:32.01 | leppoc | hi |
| 15:33.39 | leppoc | I have a small problem compiling openmoko (svn checkout today) |
| 15:34.42 | leppoc | I basically get a "dyngen: Unsupported ELF class" |
| 15:35.12 | leppoc | (when I run make) |
| 15:35.36 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r110 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Added the flash-neo-official and flash-neo-local targets |
| 15:36.09 | rwhitby | Someone want to test those new targets? |
| 15:36.11 | jgm | leppoc: possibly a 64/32-bit issue? Just guessing, mind |
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| 15:38.13 | Hadaka | rwhitby: I can, atleast in a bit |
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| 15:38.53 | leppoc | It's a 64 bits yes... I will look in this direction.... |
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| 15:39.47 | rwhitby | Hadaka: I'll be asleep in 5, so just mail the devel list if there is a bug. |
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| 15:42.35 | Hadaka | rwhitby: okay |
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| 15:46.23 | rwhitby | FCC application is up: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=EUN&pc=GTA01BV4 |
| 15:48.44 | leppoc | jgm: do you know how can I solve that ? |
| 15:49.21 | Hadaka | hmmh, users manual in the FCC application - did any of us get one? ;) |
| 15:49.28 | leppoc | (except by buying a nuew PC ;) ) |
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| 15:50.14 | jgm | leppoc: Nope not offhand. It may be that something is being downloaded as 32-bit but you'd need to look in detail at the error and see which binary/library was causing the problem and track back from there |
| 15:50.21 | jgm | When you find out please add it to the Wiki :) |
| 15:50.39 | leppoc | yes sure :) |
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| 15:51.23 | leppoc | I am at work, but at home I have a 32 bits, so If I endup compiling it at home, I will not find any solution ;) |
| 15:51.42 | oolonc | Just got my openmoko, flashing the rootfs now! |
| 15:51.46 | leppoc | (I hope I will.....) |
| 15:51.57 | rwhitby | maximum SAR value of 1.58 when flush with right cheek |
| 15:52.16 | oolonc | Hey, question, has there been any progess on the gpsd information? |
| 15:52.16 | aloril | oolonc: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1, SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully these links answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 15:54.35 | rwhitby | night all |
| 15:56.38 | Richlv | kpdf doesn't open "External Photos" pdf :/ |
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| 15:57.08 | mintee | oolonc, what was your order number? |
| 15:57.26 | Richlv | and others, too |
| 15:57.40 | oolonc | Ahhh, 2034 |
| 15:57.54 | oolonc | I got the slow shipping, too |
| 15:58.20 | mintee | cool |
| 15:58.31 | oolonc | I'm amazingly excited. |
| 15:58.44 | mintee | i still have a while to wait then it seems |
| 15:59.35 | Richlv | oh, while i'm at questions... how does it look, is october for general usage realitic target ? |
| 16:00.14 | oolonc | Only problem being I got one of the 3g fireball sim cards to start with, and I don't have another one. |
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| 16:00.56 | PBeck | hey |
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| 16:05.56 | ckuethe | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/02/google_phone/ <--- the mysterious big company interested in openmoko? |
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| 16:16.16 | abraxa_ | ckuethe: I doubt google will use OpenMoko - openness doesn't seem to be their concern since that would allow people to bypass the advertisements they seek to make profit with |
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| 16:18.48 | mjr | *nod* |
| 16:18.52 | mjr | that was my first thought too |
| 16:20.10 | ckuethe | they don't seem to try very hard to prevent ad blocking though |
| 16:20.35 | ckuethe | but i don't find google ads all that annoying... a couple times they've actually been useful |
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| 16:20.53 | leppoc | thank you ckuethe :) |
| 16:20.56 | leppoc | :D |
| 16:21.31 | ckuethe | meh. it's all just conspiracy theories until someone makes an announcement. |
| 16:22.02 | juri_ | concentrate on coding. all else will work through itsself. |
| 16:22.50 | mrface | agreed |
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| 16:26.59 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko2007.2]] [[User_talk:Glenn]] [[Carriers/ATT]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[P1_Owners]] |
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| 16:28.51 | jipi | finally got my neos! |
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| 16:33.12 | daMaestro | ok, when running mokomakefile... it takes quite a while yes? |
| 16:34.30 | daMaestro | at least for 'make openmoko-devel-image' .. anyways; i was wondering if there is anything special i need to do when a build fails; to not have to start over |
| 16:36.17 | ferric | ah. all the people ~. |
| 16:36.21 | ferric | er. |
| 16:38.08 | ferric | all the people that ordered base after rt#500 have been billed |
| 16:38.21 | ferric | but ono one with advanced. |
| 16:38.22 | ferric | rt#2500 even |
| 16:38.58 | jgm | daMaestro: depends why it didn't work |
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| 16:43.29 | kiney | counter |
| 16:43.29 | aloril | Got it! (1791;252) |
| 16:43.46 | aloril | ;-) |
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| 16:44.49 | happycube | :) |
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| 16:46.44 | freskog | Has anyone managed to get alphaone's images to work in qemu? |
| 16:46.59 | freskog | oh, and hi everyone! :) |
| 16:47.25 | Hadaka | freskog: which images? |
| 16:47.31 | raynet | *sigh, i really really like UPS, they say that i in such a rural area that they cannot be bothered to deliver my neo until monday or later |
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| 16:47.53 | freskog | the ones that were linked to from the mailing list (supposedly 2007.2) |
| 16:48.23 | cjb | raynet: where do you live? :) |
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| 16:48.53 | freskog | hadaka: http://people.openmoko.org/alphaone/images/OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-.dev-snapshot-20070802-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 16:49.10 | raynet | cjb: in a rural area, 25km from closest city |
| 16:49.16 | happycube | cool... i built one last night |
| 16:49.17 | oolonc | So has anyone here gotten the GPS working? |
| 16:49.21 | happycube | didn't work at all as a phone tho ;) |
| 16:49.22 | cjb | oolonc: yeah |
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| 16:50.36 | oolonc | How did you do it, were you one of the first batch of dev phones? |
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| 16:51.13 | happycube | after next week or so nobody's gillin will work anymore since 2007.2 is eaby |
| 16:51.15 | happycube | *eabi |
| 16:51.23 | happycube | *almost nobody's... you can do an oabi build |
| 16:51.58 | Hadaka | freskog: thanks, I'll try those |
| 16:51.59 | mjr | hopefully they'll be able to distribute it to us by then |
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| 16:54.06 | happycube | ditto |
| 16:54.40 | oolonc | Yeah, it's kind of driving me crazy, considering one of the primary reasons I wanted this phone was the GPS. |
| 16:54.46 | oolonc | And I'm eager to play. |
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| 16:55.33 | oolonc | But nobody has still found/release/reverse engineered the driver yet? |
| 16:58.53 | oolonc | mjr: Absolutely. |
| 17:00.21 | Hadaka | freskog: seems to hang at boot in qemu :( |
| 17:00.42 | freskog | Hadaka: I have the same problem |
| 17:00.53 | freskog | That sucks... |
| 17:01.05 | Hadaka | freskog: I'll be able to test in on real hardware in a minute |
| 17:01.13 | freskog | Tried to build from OE-openmoko head, but that didn't work either.. |
| 17:01.20 | freskog | cool! |
| 17:01.41 | woglinde | again two heads |
| 17:01.43 | woglinde | ups |
| 17:02.05 | freskog | woglinde: ? |
| 17:02.24 | woglinde | *g* mumbling over openembedded myself |
| 17:02.32 | Hadaka | okay, booting now |
| 17:02.58 | Hadaka | hangs at the same spot :( |
| 17:03.43 | freskog | Hmm, would be really cool to try this out in the emulator... |
| 17:04.14 | freskog | But right now they're comitting like crazy, so head maybe broken for sometime. |
| 17:05.46 | daMaestro | jgm, http://dpaste.com/15967/ |
| 17:12.09 | jgm | daMaestro: looks like this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile#Fails_on_ncurses_install_in_Fedora_7_with_a_.22tic_-x.22_message |
| 17:12.43 | jgm | Once it's fixed you can just rerun make openmoko-devel-image, it will pick up from where it left off (although it will re-run some downloading and checking) |
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| 17:14.43 | mjr | first somebody blames OpenMoko for British VAT, and now somebody starts to redefine Open Source. Truly, OpenMoko has reached the masses. |
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| 17:16.16 | mrface | ok, what's the deal with the modules? I'm looking at a freshly flashed system with no modules and the free space is less than the size of the modules |
| 17:16.32 | woglinde | hu? |
| 17:17.04 | Hadaka | mrface: not all of the modules should be on the image - if you are using recent images, the modules you do need should already be on the image |
| 17:17.13 | rushforth | mrface: i had the same issue.. i think the idea is that we probably don't need all.. so pick and choose :) |
| 17:17.15 | mrface | ohhh |
| 17:17.49 | mrface | but I used the rootfs image from buildhost made today... and there are 0 modules included. I don't know which ones to copy over |
| 17:17.53 | daMaestro | jgm, thanks; i'll look for the "proper way to achieve the same result |
| 17:18.13 | woglinde | mrface do you need mmc support or audio? |
| 17:18.20 | woglinde | mrface than you live without them |
| 17:18.38 | mrface | I would certainly like both |
| 17:18.43 | LaF0rge | mrface: please file a bugreport if there are no modules included |
| 17:18.49 | woglinde | hm than try to copy only these |
| 17:18.57 | mrface | can someone just give me the output of "find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/ |
| 17:19.38 | mrface | LaF0rge: ok |
| 17:20.00 | LaF0rge | i see plenty of kernel modules here |
| 17:21.00 | mrface | LaF0rge: the /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/ directory doesn't exist on mine |
| 17:21.40 | mrface | but one directory up has a few modules.* files |
| 17:21.55 | woglinde | mrface yeah thats normal |
| 17:22.05 | woglinde | depencies and aliases |
| 17:22.17 | mrface | ahhh ok |
| 17:22.46 | LaF0rge | mrface: try manual 'nand erase root' on the commandline and flash the rootfs again |
| 17:23.17 | mrface | LaF0rge: ok |
| 17:23.21 | woglinde | laforge on the uboot cmdline right? |
| 17:23.34 | daMaestro | yeah |
| 17:23.40 | daMaestro | that took me a while to figure out |
| 17:23.42 | Hadaka | this a bit of an odd question - but I've been trying to flash all sorts of weird images as rootfs images - and some of them say cause dfu-util to say: |
| 17:23.58 | Hadaka | #dfu_download error -110 |
| 17:23.58 | Hadaka | ] finished! |
| 17:23.58 | Hadaka | unable to read DFU status |
| 17:24.09 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bootloader#Using_usbtty_from_Linux |
| 17:24.23 | mrface | daMaestro: thank yo |
| 17:24.30 | woglinde | daMaestro I could have tell you this if you had asked and I where around |
| 17:24.32 | daMaestro | ^ how to be able to run: `nand erase clean rootfs` |
| 17:24.35 | Hadaka | this happens just when it is supposed to finish the download - is there something that needs to be done to the jjfs2 images (padding) to make them suitable for this device? |
| 17:24.45 | daMaestro | woglinde, thanks. |
| 17:24.54 | daMaestro | if i can find it myself, i do try ;-) |
| 17:25.06 | woglinde | I dont know everything *g* |
| 17:26.33 | daMaestro | so is there a way to erase the kernel also? |
| 17:26.48 | daMaestro | `nand erase clean kernel` ? |
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| 17:31.36 | freelock | Huh. Just flashed the Alphaone image to the device, and it hung at the same point as it did in qemu... |
| 17:31.52 | freelock | "Freeing init memory: 128k" |
| 17:32.06 | Hadaka | I think the hanging is due to having the wrong kernel installed - I seem to be getting hangs every time the kernel is different from what it should be |
| 17:32.18 | mrface | daMaestro: just for fun I typed 'nand erase clean' and it returned 'NAND erase: device 0 whole chip' followed by 'Really erase everything ? <y/N>' |
| 17:32.28 | freelock | Ah, so I need to flash the alphaone kernel, too, then? |
| 17:32.29 | mrface | I aborted at that point and just erased rootfs |
| 17:32.44 | mrface | who knows, maybe that cleans the kernel as well? |
| 17:32.55 | daMaestro | LaF0rge, are we allowed to nand erase clean ? |
| 17:33.04 | daMaestro | LaF0rge, or will that destroy uboot also? |
| 17:33.30 | mrface | oh god that would be bad... I guess I need to be careful when in the u-boot console |
| 17:34.34 | Hadaka | Whee Alphaone images do boot if you have the right kernel for them! |
| 17:34.51 | mrface | daMaestro: actually I just noticed 'nand erase kernel' is mentioned on the wiki page you sent me |
| 17:35.06 | mrface | hadaka: what's so special about alphaone images? |
| 17:35.29 | freelock | mrface: OpenMoko 2007.2 |
| 17:36.03 | freelock | ... now I can't shut off the Neo... I get event messages to the power button press, that increments every second... effectively canceling the shutdown... |
| 17:36.12 | freelock | Guess I need to yank the battery this time... |
| 17:36.35 | daMaestro | mrface, it sure seems like nand erase will erase u-boot |
| 17:36.36 | daMaestro | lol |
| 17:36.51 | mrface | OHHH! so which kernel hadaka? |
| 17:37.05 | mrface | yeah, I almost made a BIG mistake, hehe |
| 17:37.06 | Hadaka | mrface: the same one that is in the directory with the image |
| 17:37.25 | Hadaka | but! it seems that it shows only a black screen after X startup (atleast in qemu) |
| 17:37.25 | mrface | ahh, well that's easy enough |
| 17:37.28 | pjz | anyone tried a Poky image? is it more functional than openmoko ? |
| 17:37.42 | mrface | they don't have images available for the neo |
| 17:38.06 | mrface | um... I can't figure out how to leave the u-boot console |
| 17:38.21 | daMaestro | you should just be able to close it |
| 17:38.23 | Hadaka | pjz: I tried compiling poky today, but ran out of free space |
| 17:38.28 | daMaestro | but i think it is ~. |
| 17:38.33 | pjz | Hadaka: ah |
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| 17:39.04 | mrface | daMaestro: that worked, thanks |
| 17:39.27 | mbuf | i don't need to charge the phone before I flash the images, right? |
| 17:39.41 | SpeedEvil | well, you should be sure it's charged. |
| 17:39.53 | SpeedEvil | It wouldn't be good if it goes down halfway through. |
| 17:39.54 | mrface | it's only *really* important if you are flashing u-boot |
| 17:40.19 | SpeedEvil | cat `find /sys -name "*battvolt*"` |
| 17:40.35 | SpeedEvil | 4.2V is fully charged - 4V is about 1/2 |
| 17:40.42 | Hadaka | mbuf: the phone should be charging as fast as it can while flashing |
| 17:40.57 | mbuf | Hadaka, ok |
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| 17:42.36 | daMaestro | i'm actually pretty amazed at how long it is taking to build openmoko |
| 17:42.46 | daMaestro | going on a good 8 hours right now |
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| 17:43.06 | mrface | yep, it's huge |
| 17:43.20 | daMaestro | on a dual core 3.2GHz x86_64 with 2GB of ram |
| 17:43.39 | squalyl | did you try PARALLEL_MAKE options? |
| 17:43.43 | daMaestro | granted i'm building in a virtual machine, but i have hvm support; so it should be running sok |
| 17:44.02 | daMaestro | squalyl, i've only exported one core to the guest |
| 17:44.12 | squalyl | ah, ok |
| 17:44.37 | aloril | root@fic-gta01:/sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-0/0-0008$ cat chgcur |
| 17:44.38 | aloril | 1733 |
| 17:44.40 | squalyl | If possible, a native linux would allow make to run 2 gcc's in parallel |
| 17:44.57 | mrface | wow |
| 17:45.04 | mbuf | should we pust the sim card holder back and pull up, or simply pull it up? |
| 17:45.45 | mrface | mbuf: gently slide it back, then it should swivel effortlessly |
| 17:46.08 | mrface | mbuf: after you slide it, you can hold the phone upside down and it will swing open |
| 17:46.13 | aloril | PC says "MxPwr=500mA" though |
| 17:46.42 | mbuf | mrface, that was tricky, had to hold it upside down |
| 17:47.16 | mrface | mbuf: hehe, the upside down part is not necessary, it just illustrates that no effort is required at that point |
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| 17:48.00 | daMaestro | :-D http://damaestro.us/photography <-- my moko |
| 17:48.26 | abraxa_ | Is there a standard way of having an automake-based project generate debug symbols during compilation? |
| 17:48.38 | frob | daMaestro: if I were spanish I wouldn't dare opening that link :P |
| 17:48.51 | daMaestro | lol |
| 17:49.09 | frob | anyway, how the HELL can I build u-boot for qemuarm ?! |
| 17:50.14 | frob | I grabbed the mokomakefile and let it run the whole night to make the toolchain and everything (which I don't want) and it wasn't able to configure u-boot for no 'qemuarm_config' target exists |
| 17:50.15 | happycube | don't you use the gta01 image? |
| 17:50.20 | happycube | argh |
| 17:50.36 | frob | no, I need to use the upstream qemu |
| 17:50.48 | happycube | dunno then :( |
| 17:50.54 | frob | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 17:52.11 | frob | anyone? :( |
| 17:54.44 | mbuf | where is the dfu-util located? wiki links just seem to go nowhere |
| 17:54.59 | happycube | svn i think |
| 17:55.14 | mbuf | ahh ok, in buildhost |
| 17:55.16 | happycube | if you find a prebuilt image set you'll get a copy there built for the arch it was built using |
| 17:55.17 | happycube | yup |
| 17:55.29 | happycube | builds with openmoko-devel-image |
| 17:55.37 | mrface | LaF0rge: cleaning rootfs and reflashing got me the modules back, thanks |
| 17:55.57 | daMaestro | hrmmmmmmmmm |
| 17:56.01 | daMaestro | mrface, i've had the same issue |
| 17:56.15 | daMaestro | mrface, though; now i'm waiting on my own build of the platform |
| 17:56.31 | daMaestro | so, i think the flashing of the rootfs is very important |
| 17:56.48 | mrface | yes, I will always clean first now |
| 17:56.57 | daMaestro | i've had a lot of jffs2 errors... and that is where i was led to look to find out how to erase the nand |
| 17:57.02 | daMaestro | err.. the part of the nand |
| 17:57.03 | daMaestro | lol |
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| 17:57.13 | daMaestro | mrface, i was able to erase the kenrel |
| 17:57.16 | daMaestro | kernel* |
| 17:57.19 | mrface | oh, good to know |
| 17:58.07 | mbuf | what do you use to check the time for every 30s? |
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| 17:59.21 | abraxa_ | mbuf: What do you mean? |
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| 17:59.44 | mbuf | abraxa_, to press aux button every 30s, what time display is available |
| 18:00.03 | abraxa_ | mbuf: Uh, no idea about that one |
| 18:00.39 | Elrond | mbuf - Why do you need to press aux that often? |
| 18:01.01 | mbuf | Elrond, while flashing? |
| 18:01.18 | Elrond | If your u-boot is new enough (any P1 device), you don't need to. |
| 18:01.37 | mbuf | ok |
| 18:01.38 | mbuf | brb |
| 18:02.17 | calamous1_ | I flashed rootfs on last week? is there any reason to put the new one on? |
| 18:03.16 | Elrond | calamous1_ - You can also just update some .ipk. |
| 18:03.59 | calamous1_ | I couldnt get ipgk to work |
| 18:04.09 | calamous1_ | my internet on the phone works I got all that |
| 18:04.21 | Sup3rkiddo | flashing when a cat just crossed the road has been found to be unlucky to the neo |
| 18:04.37 | Sup3rkiddo | never mind..that was lame |
| 18:04.57 | calamous1_ | Elrond: Could you dccp me the contects of your ipkg.conf and the repository file please |
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| 18:07.48 | aloril | running unmodified programs that use right/middle mouse button? maybe use aux for right mouse button.. |
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| 18:09.02 | calamous1_ | Can someone tell me the contents of /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf |
| 18:09.10 | mrface | is there a reason why gsmhandset.state still causes massive feedback? |
| 18:09.28 | mrface | I've made a patch that works fine |
| 18:09.32 | freelock | calamous1_: src/gz base http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/20070301/ipk |
| 18:09.48 | freelock | mrface: the master volume is up too high? |
| 18:10.01 | calamous1_ | freelock: ty |
| 18:10.11 | freelock | calamous1_: not that that works... |
| 18:10.37 | mrface | yes |
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| 18:11.08 | calamous1_ | yeah so the prefix is src/gz |
| 18:11.09 | freelock | (404 not found) |
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| 18:11.45 | mrface | I can't find a bug for the issue, I guess I'll file one |
| 18:12.02 | mrface | I'm really surprised it's not in bugzilla already |
| 18:12.20 | freelock | mrface: it's more of a configuration setting, than a bug... |
| 18:12.29 | freelock | You can use alsamixer to adjust the volume, and when you're done: |
| 18:12.52 | freelock | alsactl -f /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state store |
| 18:12.55 | mrface | freelock: I know, I've already done that |
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| 18:13.25 | mrface | but the config should come in a working state shouldn't it? |
| 18:14.06 | freelock | Yeah, it just seems to be different every build... |
| 18:14.09 | calamous1_ | Who has ipgk working on their neo? |
| 18:15.44 | freelock | Just looking in my deploy folder, here: build/tmp/deploy/ipk/fic-gta01 |
| 18:16.04 | freelock | I'm thinking if I put that on a web server, and point ipkg to it, it should work... |
| 18:16.49 | freelock | There's not much in there besides kernel modules and sysvinit stuff... |
| 18:18.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 681 has been created by bradpitcher(AT)gmail.com |
| 18:18.01 | cdbot2 | * * the gsmhandset.state file has the volume turned up too high, causing feedback |
| 18:18.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=681 |
| 18:20.06 | SpeedEvil | Very odd. |
| 18:20.24 | SpeedEvil | Sticking a scope on the battery current reveals something wierd. |
| 18:21.13 | SpeedEvil | When on battery - not tried USB - the supply current goes from around 150mA to 100mA for 500us every 10ms |
| 18:21.24 | Elrond | calamous1_ - I update ipk by hand. ;-) |
| 18:22.00 | calamous1_ | Elrond: what do you mean. any pgk you want you dl the individule .ipk? |
| 18:22.26 | Elrond | calamous1_ - I download some .ipk via wget, then scp it to the neo and do "ipkg install foo.ipk" |
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| 18:22.42 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - That'a 100Hz, right? |
| 18:22.47 | calamous1_ | ohh. is there a nano.ipk I can't stand using vi (sorry to offend anyone) |
| 18:22.52 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: yes. |
| 18:23.06 | Elrond | calamous1_ - I can give you vim and joe als .ipk. ,o) |
| 18:23.21 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Sounds like HZ to me... |
| 18:23.22 | calamous1_ | i'll take joe |
| 18:23.34 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 18:23.50 | SpeedEvil | The fun question is why the power consumption goes so sharply down. |
| 18:25.42 | Elrond | Yeah. |
| 18:26.39 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Other_OSes]] [[Manually_using_SMS]] [[P1_Owners]] |
| 18:26.56 | Elrond | calamous1_ - Try http://linuxtogo.org/~elrond/tmp/ |
| 18:27.42 | calamous1_ | Elrond: ty very much |
| 18:29.03 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: I'd be more worried if it would go up :) |
| 18:29.15 | SpeedEvil | Up is easy to explain. |
| 18:29.22 | Elrond | Right. |
| 18:29.27 | SpeedEvil | Down is hard. |
| 18:29.38 | Elrond | timer interrupt firing, cpu doing lots of work. |
| 18:29.50 | Elrond | That's the easy explanation for "go up". |
| 18:30.21 | SpeedEvil | The trivial explanation I can think of is that it goes into 'idle' mode for 0.5ms or so, then comes out. |
| 18:30.45 | mjr | hmm, so we need to increase interrupts to save battery |
| 18:30.53 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 18:30.59 | SpeedEvil | Or more probably. |
| 18:31.10 | SpeedEvil | Find out what is waking it up. |
| 18:31.18 | daMaestro | powertop++ |
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| 18:37.10 | mbuf | does neo work if you spill coffee on it? just checking |
| 18:37.28 | mrface | haha |
| 18:37.54 | mrface | mbuf: I drop mine in the sink and it completely submerged, but it still works |
| 18:37.54 | daMaestro | i really, really wanted my damn platform build to be done when i woke up |
| 18:38.13 | mrface | daMaestro: overnight should be sufficient. |
| 18:38.19 | daMaestro | i need to go get a latte (zZZZzzz|notEnoughSleep) and want to bring my neo |
| 18:38.28 | mrface | hehe, yeah |
| 18:38.36 | henla464_ | i have problem with noise and really irritating sounds when using the headset |
| 18:38.47 | daMaestro | mrface, i got about 6 hours of sleep and it is still going |
| 18:38.51 | mbuf | mrface, ain't they call it the regression testing |
| 18:38.55 | mbuf | mrface, how do i check the battery status on the Neo? |
| 18:39.04 | mrface | use alsamixer to turn down the speaker volume |
| 18:39.06 | henla464_ | it only goes away when i press the audio connector firmly into the neo and hold it pressed in |
| 18:39.13 | daMaestro | but, it's approaching running for 8 hours |
| 18:39.26 | mrface | mbuf: someone pasted a command earlier |
| 18:39.30 | mrface | mbuf: but I forgot |
| 18:39.43 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. 100mA in standby 'mem' state. |
| 18:39.54 | mrface | daMaestro: ohh, that sucks dude |
| 18:40.07 | mbuf | mrface, but, there is a GUI indicator on the right-top corner, what is it? |
| 18:40.22 | mrface | daMaestro: yay, I just found out I can use tab completion on names in irc :) |
| 18:40.23 | mwester | daMaestro: did you start a build from absolutely nothing, then? |
| 18:40.53 | mrface | mbuf: that is the battery indicater. so you can get a rough idea of status looking at that |
| 18:40.55 | daMaestro | mwester, yes |
| 18:40.57 | mwester | ls |
| 18:41.04 | daMaestro | mrface, lol |
| 18:41.14 | daMaestro | mwester, a fresh vm |
| 18:41.23 | mwester | I *meant* to type that "ls" command there! :p |
| 18:42.12 | mbuf | mrface, that is almost empty :( |
| 18:42.16 | mwester | daMaestro: it's had to build the entire toolchain, then. It would sure be nice if there was a way to "freeze" the toolchain in OE, so that you could start fresh without rebuilding it. |
| 18:42.51 | mwester | I have a 2.8GHz P4 -- takes longer than overnight for me as well. |
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| 18:43.55 | ewon | like compiling X on a 486 :) |
| 18:44.25 | zecke | ~seen cwiiis |
| 18:44.43 | apt | cwiiis <n=cwiiis@host81-156-174-196.range81-156.btcentralplus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 32d 4h 55m 38s ago, saying: 'zecke_: You're writing an HTML rendering engine?'. |
| 18:44.44 | zecke | mickey|dinner: ping |
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| 18:45.01 | mrface | mbuf: cat `find /sys -name "*battvolt*"` |
| 18:45.14 | mrface | I guess 4224 is full? |
| 18:45.17 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:45.21 | SpeedEvil | pretty much |
| 18:45.50 | mrface | so that is the voltage if you divide by 1000? |
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| 18:46.24 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:46.28 | mrface | got it |
| 18:46.31 | SpeedEvil | or voltage in millivolts |
| 18:46.35 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 18:46.42 | SpeedEvil | The neo is quite slow at 50Mhz |
| 18:46.47 | mrface | ahhh, of course |
| 18:46.48 | mwester | heh! |
| 18:47.10 | mwester | Can you really clock it that slowly and have everything work? |
| 18:47.19 | SpeedEvil | So far. |
| 18:47.29 | SpeedEvil | The screen flickers a little - that's easy to fix though. |
| 18:47.34 | SpeedEvil | it's the backlight. |
| 18:47.37 | mwester | I bet that does good things for battery life... |
| 18:47.40 | SpeedEvil | it needs the PWM clock adjusted. |
| 18:47.47 | mrface | SpeedEvil: what is the purpose of your test? |
| 18:47.48 | SpeedEvil | I'm about to compare, once it's booted. |
| 18:48.05 | SpeedEvil | Calculating the CPU battery usage. |
| 18:48.12 | mrface | oh |
| 18:49.39 | mrface | thanks for the help daMaestro /quit going to lunch |
| 18:49.42 | mrface | oops |
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| 18:58.49 | mbuf | how do i do a fast charge with a self-powered hub? should i boot Neo into u-boot mode and select any option? |
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| 19:00.47 | Elrond | mbuf - Let it boot fully into linux. The screensaver will disable the backlight. |
| 19:01.09 | zecke | mickey|dinner: could you quickly rubber-stamp a change to moko-finger-scroll? |
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| 19:02.37 | mave_pan | I was about to flash my Neo (again) and I suddenly see uImage-2.6.21-6-moko11-r1... while all the previous are ...moko10... |
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| 19:03.34 | mave_pan | 1. I assume it is safe to use ? 2. why the version number switch? |
| 19:04.15 | mave_pan | Does it have to do with the 2007.2 build? |
| 19:05.29 | HellDragon | hey |
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| 19:10.08 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. Ok. |
| 19:10.15 | SpeedEvil | At 50MHz, USB doesn't work. |
| 19:10.30 | SpeedEvil | I think it should - but I've not investigated why. |
| 19:10.36 | SpeedEvil | Most else seems to work. |
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| 19:11.10 | mbuf | Elrond, the backlight is still on after 5 minutes, how do i know if it is charging? |
| 19:11.10 | SpeedEvil | It seems to save the more-or-less-guesstimated 250mW |
| 19:11.47 | Elrond | mbuf - Usually there is a batter icon in the top bar. |
| 19:12.04 | Elrond | And it has a "plug" into it, when it charges. |
| 19:12.12 | mbuf | Elrond, its there on the top-right corner, almost 90% full |
| 19:12.33 | ferric | :( |
| 19:12.45 | mbuf | Elrond, i saw it when I connected it to the laptop; i don't see it when I plug it in the self-powered USB hub |
| 19:12.59 | bmidgley | mbuf: the battery icon doesn't change when (ostensibly) drawing only 100mA |
| 19:13.08 | Elrond | mbuf - Something like the battery icon in the top right there: http://www.flickr.com/photos/elrond/532319522/ |
| 19:13.54 | mbuf | Elrond, i see a green that is almost full; but, no plug in it |
| 19:13.55 | Elrond | bmidgley - But it should be able to get 500mA out of a power hub... that's the point of a powered hub. |
| 19:14.08 | Elrond | mbuf - Then it's only charging at 100mA. |
| 19:14.19 | mbuf | Elrond, when should i plug it into the powered hub? after it boots to the GUI? |
| 19:14.27 | mbuf | Elrond, that's what I thought |
| 19:15.22 | bmidgley | mbuf: plug it in any time you want |
| 19:15.38 | mbuf | i am going to try again; |
| 19:16.07 | Elrond | mbuf - It shouldn't matter. |
| 19:16.30 | Elrond | Maybe plug in, before powering up. But it really should not matter. |
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| 19:23.20 | mbuf | the red led light on this usb hub glows only if i connect the upstream port to a host PC; |
| 19:23.50 | SpeedEvil | Many do. |
| 19:24.06 | SpeedEvil | They don't supply power at all without an active upstream host. |
| 19:24.23 | mbuf | and now the phone is connected to the host PC through the powered hub; and i see an indicator |
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| 19:27.49 | mbuf | quick question on the GUI; I can use any GTK widgets and build it with openmoko or is the gtk that comes in the distribution a stripped version? |
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| 19:28.38 | Elrond | No, full featured gtk 2.6 |
| 19:28.46 | Elrond | 2.10 possibly on the road. |
| 19:28.50 | mbuf | Elrond, ok, thanks |
| 19:28.58 | SpeedEvil | Where do I turn on - under linux - the fast charge mode, for a 'dumb' charger? |
| 19:29.19 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Try "echo fast_cccv >chgmode" |
| 19:29.27 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 19:29.29 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - chg* are in the same dir as battvolt. |
| 19:29.35 | mbuf | Elrond, hey! the backlight is now off! i think now its doing fast charging |
| 19:29.39 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - And let me know, if it works. ;) |
| 19:29.50 | SpeedEvil | I'm trying to get a nice clean trace in the greenhouse, with it plugged into a dumb charger. |
| 19:30.09 | Elrond | Ahh, cute. |
| 19:30.53 | chees1 | tst llalaa |
| 19:31.11 | cheesy3000 | /s/tst/test |
| 19:31.28 | cheesy3000 | /s/tst llalaa/test |
| 19:31.47 | cheesy3000 | /s/tst llalaa/test/ |
| 19:31.56 | cheesy3000 | <- sucks+ |
| 19:32.23 | Elrond | cheesy3000 needs to be converted to sendmail.cf ;o) |
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| 19:40.23 | daMaestro | grr... well the platform is still building |
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| 19:40.49 | daMaestro | NOTE: package gmp-4.2.1-r1: task do_package_write: completed |
| 19:40.49 | daMaestro | NOTE: package gmp-4.2.1-r1: task do_populate_staging: started ... for example, is where it's at |
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| 19:40.56 | daMaestro | is it anywhere near done? |
| 19:41.35 | daMaestro | meh, i need a latte and i need to ship some b0rked hardware |
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| 19:47.40 | mdt | :D it's here! :D |
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| 19:55.59 | devestate | ping |
| 19:56.16 | borg_ | pong |
| 19:56.59 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2626 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 19:56.59 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-08-03 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 19:56.59 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Change GtkAdjustment handling to be the Gtk+ way. There is |
| 19:56.59 | CIA-24 | openmoko: gtk_widget_set_scroll_adjustments which widgets that support |
| 19:57.00 | CIA-24 | openmoko: scrolling indirectly implement (GtkTreeView, GtkViewport, GtkLayout). |
| 19:57.02 | CIA-24 | openmoko: This allows to embed WebKitGtkPage which only implements the Gtk+ way |
| 19:57.04 | CIA-24 | openmoko: of scrolling but does not export the GtkAdjustment via properties. |
| 19:59.13 | zecke | mickey|dinner: tada, don't hit me |
| 19:59.41 | Elrond | hehe. |
| 20:00.35 | woglinde | zecke |
| 20:00.47 | woglinde | at least your plane didnt crash |
| 20:01.15 | zecke | woglinde: what makes you think that? |
| 20:01.21 | woglinde | dont know |
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| 20:01.47 | woglinde | I expected you back online on monday |
| 20:01.57 | zecke | all hail umts |
| 20:02.08 | zecke | woglinde: and they even have it in NRW... |
| 20:02.38 | woglinde | oh |
| 20:02.39 | woglinde | okay |
| 20:02.41 | woglinde | I see |
| 20:02.55 | woglinde | I tought you would travel to netherlands |
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| 20:04.45 | zecke | woglinde: I need internet to get my webkit patches reviewed :} |
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| 20:12.08 | woglinde | zecke did you see owb? |
| 20:12.21 | zecke | owb? |
| 20:12.31 | woglinde | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7100942241.html |
| 20:13.29 | zecke | ah |
| 20:13.39 | zecke | Yeah, writing a wrapper for wrapper layer :) |
| 20:13.57 | woglinde | or was this the brwoser you showed me? |
| 20:14.24 | oolonc | Hey, question - what is the MicroSD card mount point? |
| 20:15.06 | hrw | oolonc: mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/card |
| 20:15.52 | oolonc | Hmm, no such device. |
| 20:16.17 | oolonc | And I have the card in there. |
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| 20:17.26 | SpeedEvil | oolonc: Try reseating it. |
| 20:17.36 | SpeedEvil | The holder is not perhaps the most robust and reliable. |
| 20:18.49 | Elrond | I hope they'll fix the holders in gta03. |
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| 20:19.56 | Writchie | hope the microSD will be insertable from the side on gta03 |
| 20:20.16 | Writchie | actually one inside and outside would be best |
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| 20:21.01 | Elrond | I don't want too many holes in the outside. They always give room for dust to get in. |
| 20:21.07 | daMaestro | any reason why? Writchie |
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| 20:21.24 | Writchie | store media on the removable |
| 20:21.33 | Writchie | programs on the internal |
| 20:22.24 | Writchie | swap file is even practical which would effectively double the memory |
| 20:22.35 | hrw | I would like to get more flash on board + card slot |
| 20:22.37 | daMaestro | yeah, but swap on SD? |
| 20:22.38 | Writchie | but you wouldn't want to put that on a removable |
| 20:22.39 | daMaestro | yuck |
| 20:22.42 | hrw | daMaestro: SD are cheap |
| 20:23.01 | bmidgley | swapping on sd works ok on n800 |
| 20:23.03 | Writchie | I think gt02 goes toe 256MB |
| 20:23.19 | bmidgley | it was essential on the first 770 release |
| 20:23.24 | oolonc | Hmmm, it shouldn't be necessary to format the device, should it? |
| 20:23.42 | oolonc | for the SD card? |
| 20:23.53 | oolonc | I'm still not seeing it as mounted. |
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| 20:24.12 | Writchie | most SD cards are preformatted with a single FAT partition |
| 20:24.24 | hrw | oolonc: maybe you will need mmc modules loaded |
| 20:25.23 | oolonc | Could you suggest how to do this? |
| 20:25.48 | hrw | oolonc: I do not remember module name |
| 20:25.49 | Lynx | can i see someone from here at the cccamp ?? |
| 20:26.03 | oolonc | Ok, I'll look, thanks! |
| 20:26.31 | stefan_schmidt | Lynx: Just visit the OpenMoko team: http://events.ccc.de/camp/2007/GSM_Village |
| 20:26.58 | woglinde | stefan_schmidt I will not come |
| 20:27.02 | woglinde | no time |
| 20:27.07 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Bootloader]] [[MacOS_X]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Neo1973:GTA01:Kernel]] [[Wishlist:custum_input_on_computer]] [[Listen_Up_Community]] [[Other_OSes]] [[Manually_using_SMS]] [[Talk:Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem]] |
| 20:27.17 | stefan_schmidt | woglinde: Family? |
| 20:27.21 | woglinde | yes |
| 20:27.27 | woglinde | work learning |
| 20:27.30 | woglinde | ... |
| 20:27.32 | oolonc | hrw: any link to the wiki or something? |
| 20:27.45 | oolonc | Maybe I just need to build my own image. |
| 20:27.59 | stefan_schmidt | woglinde: :( BUt family is important |
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| 20:28.17 | hrw | oolonc: modprobe s2cmci |
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| 20:29.00 | woglinde | stefan_schmidt yes I looked at the kindergarten site and saw that someone will bring his 5 month old kid |
| 20:29.22 | stefan_schmidt | woglinde: Must be Tim Pritlove. He just went father. |
| 20:29.28 | woglinde | oh |
| 20:29.49 | stefan_schmidt | Yeah, people getting old. ;) |
| 20:30.03 | woglinde | hehe but I was faster |
| 20:30.12 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 20:30.40 | oolonc | lastlog modprobe |
| 20:30.58 | oolonc | sorry there ;[ |
| 20:31.05 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: hey, are you at the camp yet? |
| 20:31.26 | Lynx | stefan_schmidt thx, i mean someone just form the channel here... |
| 20:31.45 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: No, I'm at home until tuesday morning. alphaone is already there help building it up. |
| 20:31.59 | zecke | do you still have free space in your tent? |
| 20:32.04 | stefan_schmidt | Lynx: /me, alphaone, roh and I hope more. |
| 20:32.13 | Lynx | stefan_schmidt: the THC Scanner Project seams to be a nice |
| 20:32.14 | Lynx | ^^ |
| 20:32.21 | Lynx | are you involved |
| 20:32.51 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: For sleeping I fear not. Must ask Shoragan. It's his tent. For hacking we have still space in the 30m^2 tent. |
| 20:33.10 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: I'll ask Shoragan. |
| 20:33.31 | zecke | okay, please do so :) |
| 20:33.36 | stefan_schmidt | Lynx: OpenMoko developer. But THC Scanner sounds interesting. I'll take a look what they have at the camp. |
| 20:33.56 | Shoragan | stefan, theres not enough space in that tent for 3 people |
| 20:34.14 | stefan_schmidt | Shoragan: ok |
| 20:34.15 | woglinde | zecke you can have my tent |
| 20:34.28 | woglinde | zecke if I get it clean and healthy back |
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| 20:34.52 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: So catch woglinde's. We should have place for building it up. |
| 20:35.21 | woglinde | eh |
| 20:35.21 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: You should not. |
| 20:35.42 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: We will find a place for you. I mean you were homeless for months. ;) |
| 20:35.44 | woglinde | its a tatonka it's not a cheap plus tent |
| 20:35.52 | woglinde | or aldi |
| 20:35.54 | woglinde | or real |
| 20:36.03 | zecke | it is not real? |
| 20:36.05 | zecke | damn |
| 20:38.23 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: do you think I should file wishlist items for icons I would like to see drawn? |
| 20:38.49 | hrw | Tasks lacked openmoko icon.. |
| 20:39.04 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: hmm, alphaone just requested some via the ml and got them in 1-2 days. |
| 20:39.07 | hrw | I need to update neo phones finally |
| 20:39.37 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: which one? community, framework? missing-icons-ml? |
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| 20:39.56 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: graphics.. Let me search |
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| 20:41.15 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: hmm, it's an internal one. pity. |
| 20:41.25 | zecke | hehe :) |
| 20:41.38 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: I would suggest to mail directly to david and cc framework-devel |
| 20:42.05 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Mail as pm |
| 20:42.05 | woglinde | hehe |
| 20:42.20 | woglinde | give me t.p. for my bunghole |
| 20:43.02 | zecke | Are you threatening me? I'm the great zecke, cooperate with me! |
| 20:43.05 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: So you will come to the camp? Just grap woglinde's tent. Or sleep in the big tent we have. |
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| 20:43.45 | zecke | I plan to cycle to the camp so I want to keep stuff at a minimum |
| 20:43.45 | woglinde | roh is smaller |
| 20:43.48 | zecke | hehe |
| 20:43.52 | woglinde | zecke really? |
| 20:43.57 | woglinde | cycle hm |
| 20:44.17 | zecke | woglinde: probably just the last mile, but anyway |
| 20:44.40 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: So I can try to get you a place. |
| 20:45.17 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: We still have the caravan and more people from Braunschweig bringing tents. Should be fine to get a place. |
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| 20:45.40 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: I just need something dry enough to crash |
| 20:46.24 | happycube | i need to write a fast sideways-8x16 text routine |
| 20:46.28 | happycube | and then hook it up to a terminal engine |
| 20:46.39 | happycube | then fullscren you get 80x25 with some stuff on the bottom if ya want |
| 20:46.58 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Then the big tent would be fine. At What The Hack we sleeped and hacked in this one. This time we are just older and like separate normal tents |
| 20:47.00 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2627 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/ (9 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 20:47.00 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 007-08-03 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 20:47.00 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Implement the feed_item_view which will be used to show |
| 20:47.00 | CIA-24 | openmoko: one feed entry to the user. |
| 20:47.00 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Fix Makefile.am and the naming of the (unused) images. |
| 20:47.02 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * data/Makefile.am: |
| 20:47.04 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * data/rssreader_refresh_all.png: Removed. |
| 20:47.31 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Which day you will come? |
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| 20:48.13 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: I don't know. I will be back in berlin on monday evening. |
| 20:49.12 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: I should be there at tuesday afternoon. alphaone and Shoragan will be already there if you crash before |
| 20:49.25 | daMaestro | grr.... wow... so is something going wrong with my build... or does it really run for 10+ hours? |
| 20:49.31 | woglinde | no 10 |
| 20:49.33 | woglinde | is okay |
| 20:49.41 | daMaestro | ok, cool |
| 20:49.48 | daMaestro | really neat system |
| 20:50.01 | daMaestro | i mean it is doing a lot of heavy lifting ... and i typed 2-3 commands ;-D |
| 20:50.37 | Lynx | stefan_schmidt: i will take a look at the camp |
| 20:50.46 | stefan_schmidt | Lynx: ok |
| 20:51.27 | mwester | it is neat. especially how it builds it's own "native" version of all the tools that it needs. It's only a few packages short of bootstrapping "linux-native"... ;0 |
| 20:51.46 | woglinde | mwester *g* add git to the list |
| 20:52.58 | alphaone | zecke: We should have a place for you |
| 20:53.37 | Elrond | Hi alphaone! :-) |
| 20:54.01 | alphaone | hi Elrond, all :-) |
| 20:54.04 | Elrond | alphaone - How's that keyboard business going? Or should I better not ask? |
| 20:55.17 | mjr | my prototype Neo-remote works :] |
| 20:55.25 | jgm | Is there a fix for having to press 'aux' every few seconds when you're flashing the neo? |
| 20:55.58 | Elrond | jgm - It should be fixed since ages in u-boot. |
| 20:56.09 | hrw | jgm: how old uboot you have? :) |
| 20:56.12 | jgm | I have 1.2.0-moko9 |
| 20:56.17 | jgm | May 19th |
| 20:56.17 | alphaone | Elrond: hmm, better not :-) |
| 20:56.31 | hrw | jgm: so you do not have to press aux |
| 20:56.47 | mjr | should probably recode in C while adding configurability, to be able to house it on the Neo without python |
| 20:56.52 | hrw | jgm: problem was solved in march/april iirc |
| 20:57.27 | jgm | Hmm... weird it definitely died when I was first setting it up, guess it could have been battery-related |
| 20:57.46 | Elrond | jgm - What hardware? GTA01Bv03? |
| 20:58.29 | jgm | v4 |
| 20:58.45 | mave_pan | bye |
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| 20:58.55 | jgm | I've now left it uploading rootfs for the past minute or two without it dying so I guess that it was just a glitch early on |
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| 20:59.59 | Elrond | Ahh, for v4 I don't have a recommended u-boot version. |
| 21:00.07 | daMaestro | so, once i build up my env... when updates come out i only have to rebuild the targets that have changed? |
| 21:00.22 | daMaestro | i'd like to get this system packaged and in fedora this weekend |
| 21:00.36 | daMaestro | so we can yum w00t-openmoko-g |
| 21:00.37 | daMaestro | lol |
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| 21:02.07 | mrface | I just finish playing a game of tetris on my neo :) |
| 21:02.13 | ewon | mrface: nice :) |
| 21:02.18 | woglinde | mrface hehe |
| 21:03.20 | mrface | it made me think, for simple games that use arrow keys. could we have an alternate keyboard layout containing just big directional buttons? |
| 21:03.49 | mrface | it feels pretty awkward using the tiny arrow keys on the keyboard |
| 21:03.59 | Stephmw | it'll be necessary for j2me games :) |
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| 21:05.34 | woglinde | stephwm I will test now the last fixes from guilluam for qt and when it runs I will check in midpath and cacao |
| 21:06.42 | woglinde | but I didnt test under gtk |
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| 21:06.56 | woglinde | but I assume it should work as it does on the n800 |
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| 21:11.11 | zecke | mjr: just use pypy or python's freeze :) |
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| 21:12.25 | mrface | is there a python ipk available now? |
| 21:12.27 | mjr | well I _would_ like the end result to be a small Moko binary... |
| 21:12.40 | mrface | for the python runtime |
| 21:13.04 | Jiten | mjr: right, you don't want it to depend on python? |
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| 21:13.06 | happycube | latest OE can build python |
| 21:13.07 | mjr | or will we be getting python into the standard Moko system? |
| 21:13.18 | mjr | Jiten, depending on the above... |
| 21:13.19 | happycube | it wasn't in the 2007.2 build i did last night tho |
| 21:13.36 | happycube | still time to argue for it with the openmoko guys i think ;) |
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| 21:13.45 | mrface | I see |
| 21:13.46 | daMaestro | python++ |
| 21:13.52 | daMaestro | what about pysco? |
| 21:13.56 | happycube | i386 only |
| 21:13.58 | happycube | not even amd64 |
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| 21:14.30 | daMaestro | zecke, +1 |
| 21:14.43 | daMaestro | zecke, only monty python lovers would have been able to create python |
| 21:15.01 | mjr | both pythons rock, and I'd like both on my Moko |
| 21:15.05 | happycube | psyco's pining for the fjords i think |
| 21:15.16 | mjr | one as a runtime, the other as video files |
| 21:15.20 | happycube | :) |
| 21:15.27 | zecke | daMaestro: yeah, I enjoy screaming at random people with quotes from "The Life of Brian" (hopefully that is the english title) |
| 21:15.30 | happycube | ipkg install python, and gta02 |
| 21:15.32 | mrface | hehe |
| 21:16.19 | daMaestro | i've yet to get autoplug nat working but that might be because i have bridging going too for all my VMs |
| 21:16.24 | daMaestro | anyone iptables guru? |
| 21:16.35 | jgm | Don't suppose anyone has bumped in to this error before: dbus-marshal-recursive.c(1186)got here |
| 21:16.35 | daMaestro | i'd like to add this to the wiki, but need to get it running first |
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| 21:16.59 | jgm | I'm getting this on the neo but not when I run the code natively on my ubuntu box |
| 21:17.24 | mrface | I found a python ipk file, and it installs, but throws "Illegal instruction" when run |
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| 21:17.57 | Hadaka | root@fic-gta01:~$ python |
| 21:17.58 | Hadaka | Python 2.4.4 (#2, Jul 27 2007, 14:47:55) |
| 21:17.58 | Hadaka | [GCC 4.1.2] on linux2 |
| 21:17.58 | woglinde | mrface he try only from your local dealer |
| 21:18.18 | mrface | yep |
| 21:18.27 | mrface | Hadaka: wha? |
| 21:18.32 | mrface | Hadaka: how? |
| 21:18.34 | daMaestro | http://dpaste.com/15987/ <-- /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/net.hotplug on fedora |
| 21:18.43 | daMaestro | any ideas would be awesome |
| 21:18.52 | daMaestro | it get's it's IP.. and everything is setup.. other then the nat is failing... |
| 21:18.58 | daMaestro | i might need some input rule, not sure |
| 21:18.58 | Hadaka | mrface: well, I actually installed an ångstrom image to test |
| 21:19.09 | mrface | oh |
| 21:19.25 | Hadaka | and just now ran ipkg install python-core |
| 21:20.18 | Hadaka | root@fic-gta01:~$ time python -c pass -> real0m 0.26s, user0m 0.16s, sys0m 0.07s |
| 21:20.22 | Hadaka | entirely survivable |
| 21:20.27 | mjr | Hadaka, from where? |
| 21:20.34 | *** part/#openmoko dantalizing (n=dan@n128-227-50-159.xlate.ufl.edu) |
| 21:21.02 | Hadaka | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Application_Development_Crash_Course <- that has instructions on how to build an actual openmoko image which contains python |
| 21:21.13 | Hadaka | mjr: I just added instructions to the wiki on how to get ångstrom running |
| 21:22.18 | Jiten | daMaestro: unless fedora has some magic to prevent it, that iptables rule looks like it might work or not, depending on your firewall scripts. |
| 21:22.50 | mjr | Mmh. Ah well, perhaps I'll continue with python, trusting it will be easily enough available... |
| 21:22.52 | Hadaka | (and like said on the page, this is entirely for hacking - things are broken in the image) |
| 21:23.03 | daMaestro | Jiten, yeah.. it might just be getting to the bridge and not out the right interface |
| 21:23.16 | daMaestro | Jiten, i've not taken the time to find where the packets actually make it; thanks for the feedback |
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| 21:23.54 | Jiten | daMaestro: I mean, there might already be a rule that drops FORWARD chain packets regardless of the default policy |
| 21:24.09 | daMaestro | well.. i can -I to get around that ;-) |
| 21:24.14 | Jiten | and even POSTROUTING table might contain something to that effect. |
| 21:24.21 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.23 | daMaestro | sure, i'll show you |
| 21:24.29 | SpeedEvil | Anyone tried this? |
| 21:25.41 | Jiten | daMaestro: also, if nothing cleans up the rules when that device goes down, the next time it goes up, you'd get 2 similar rules. |
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| 21:26.47 | daMaestro | Jiten, http://dpaste.com/15988/ |
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| 21:27.02 | daMaestro | Jiten, yes.. i still need to find where i need to do the cleanup |
| 21:27.48 | Jiten | daMaestro: your FORWARD chain has a reject-all rule at the end |
| 21:28.13 | Jiten | meaning, anything not specifically allowed in the rules before it, will get rejected. |
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| 21:28.46 | daMaestro | Jiten, yeah... i thought iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT would rock that |
| 21:29.14 | daMaestro | so i just need to add some forward accept rules for usb0 ? |
| 21:29.15 | Jiten | that only changes the default policy. Policy only has an effect if no specific rule matches |
| 21:29.26 | daMaestro | ahh, gotcha |
| 21:30.15 | daMaestro | am i able to iptables -I FORWARD -i usb0 -j ACCEPT ? |
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| 21:31.04 | Jiten | I believe that'd work. |
| 21:31.25 | daMaestro | cool, i'll update and test |
| 21:31.39 | daMaestro | i've actually got to fix other iptables issues with my kvm guests and bridging too |
| 21:31.49 | daMaestro | so iptables is off right now (and i'm not at that machine right now either) |
| 21:31.54 | daMaestro | Jiten, bravo! |
| 21:31.55 | daMaestro | lol |
| 21:34.56 | don-o | daMaestro: woot |
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| 21:36.09 | daMaestro | don-o, yeah.. it should be sweet. 1) mokomakefile style build env 2) qemu device 3) dfu-util 4) hotplug actions for automagic networking to and for the neo |
| 21:36.22 | daMaestro | don-o, 2, 3 are done... 1, 4 are in the works |
| 21:36.39 | daMaestro | and i'll just stick all the packages in the repos so we can just yum install openmoko-platform |
| 21:36.41 | daMaestro | or something |
| 21:37.07 | daMaestro | which means epel should get the packages too (rhel extras) |
| 21:37.23 | Jiten | daMaestro: the way you've done the hotplug script, it works but will slowly bloat your firewall ruleset by adding the same rules again and again. |
| 21:37.37 | daMaestro | Jiten, i just need to remove them.. i know |
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| 21:38.35 | Jiten | that is rather bad if you're using the iptables-script that simply just saves the rules on shutdown and reloads them at startup |
| 21:38.55 | daMaestro | Jiten, i found them |
| 21:39.09 | daMaestro | Jiten, no.. they are being inserted as udev rules |
| 21:39.23 | daMaestro | Jiten, and i looked... oh 10 lines down were i can define unplug actions |
| 21:39.24 | daMaestro | ;-) |
| 21:39.41 | Elrond | Okay... next wild theory... I have another hardware revision of the HH... decoding HH protocol on my HH looks quite strange. |
| 21:39.45 | Jiten | all your firewall rules are from udev rules? |
| 21:39.56 | daMaestro | no |
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| 21:40.56 | Jiten | at least debian comes, by default, with a script /etc/init.d/iptables that is used to save and restore the active firewall rules. |
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| 21:46.24 | Jiten | daMaestro: anyway, the thing about removing the rules is that it only works as long as no other scripts mess around with the iptables rules. |
| 21:46.35 | Kliment_ | I got charged :) |
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| 21:47.01 | daMaestro | Jiten, well i'll just use some sort of subsystem locks to figure out what rules i added |
| 21:47.08 | daMaestro | Jiten, just to make sure i'm not tooling with other rules |
| 21:48.00 | Jiten | well, of course you can always get a list of the rules and only remove ones that look like ones your script added. |
| 21:48.24 | Jiten | takes more coding though. |
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| 21:57.11 | thomasg | how can I mount the microSD in the neo? guess the device is /dev/mmcblk0, isn't it? |
| 21:57.36 | SpeedEvil | Something like that, yes. |
| 21:57.47 | SpeedEvil | With normal images, it should end up on /media/card |
| 21:57.49 | SpeedEvil | if it's worked |
| 21:57.51 | daMaestro | thomasg, it should be on /media/card |
| 21:57.58 | daMaestro | oh... lol.. quick draw SpeedEvil |
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| 22:00.17 | thomasg | daMaestro, it isn't |
| 22:01.55 | thomasg | but the device is there - if I do a cat /dev/mmcblk0(p1) I get a random output, could be the files on the card. unfortunately I can't mout it by hand :( |
| 22:02.40 | abraxa_ | thomasg: Can you access the partition with fdisk? |
| 22:03.07 | thomasg | I can |
| 22:03.32 | thomasg | fdisk /dev/mmcblk0 shows me /dev/mmcblk0p1 as partition, type 83, with 983 blocks |
| 22:03.59 | abraxa_ | Then I wonder why mount doesn't want to mount it |
| 22:04.05 | thomasg | if a block is 512 kB, this is the card :) |
| 22:04.11 | thomasg | me too |
| 22:04.19 | henla464_ | is there a way to enter tab from the on screen keyboard? |
| 22:04.20 | abraxa_ | What does dmesg say when you try? |
| 22:04.34 | thomasg | mount: Mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card failed: Invalid argument |
| 22:05.02 | thomasg | dmesg doesnt show anything usable for me, I can paste it, moment |
| 22:05.42 | thomasg | http://phpfi.com/254254 |
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| 22:06.55 | abraxa_ | thomasg: Just 8 lines? |
| 22:07.06 | thomasg | yeah |
| 22:07.59 | abraxa_ | Ah, cause the mount message isn't in there, but oh well - maybe check if the mount point exists and try specifying the fs by hand |
| 22:08.07 | abraxa_ | And you're doing this as root, yes? |
| 22:08.11 | thomasg | yes, I am |
| 22:08.18 | thomasg | I don't even have another user yet :) |
| 22:08.22 | abraxa_ | hehe |
| 22:08.32 | mwester | Do you have the vfatfs (sp?) module? |
| 22:09.10 | thomasg | the card is ext2 |
| 22:09.14 | thomasg | not vfat |
| 22:09.20 | mwester | Ah, soory. |
| 22:09.37 | thomasg | but you're right :) |
| 22:09.44 | thomasg | no ext module loaded |
| 22:11.13 | thomasg | and the images seems not to contain the ext module as well (at least it is not in /lib/modules/2.6.../kernel/fs ) |
| 22:11.28 | mwester | Well, that's where one would expect it to be. |
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| 22:17.31 | doc|work | howdy, was looking at the wiki and wondering why go from stereo to mono? Not bothered by it, but just wondering :) |
| 22:17.47 | abraxa_ | doc|work: Probably making space for WiFi |
| 22:17.58 | doc|work | ah, ok |
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| 22:18.48 | doc|work | is the GTA02 3g compatible? |
| 22:18.55 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 22:18.58 | doc|work | ok |
| 22:19.15 | doc|work | can that be upgraded in software or is it a hardware thing? |
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| 22:20.44 | abraxa_ | doc|work: It's a hardware thing as it depends on the GSM chipset |
| 22:20.50 | doc|work | ok, thanks |
| 22:21.03 | abraxa_ | You're welcome =3 |
| 22:21.20 | doc|work | that looks like a skinny person's back and arse :| |
| 22:21.32 | abraxa_ | What does? |
| 22:21.36 | abraxa_ | Oh |
| 22:21.37 | abraxa_ | heh |
| 22:21.38 | doc|work | :) |
| 22:22.15 | doc|work | I'm going to get an GTA02, financial disasters withstanding, but are there any plans for GTA03 yet? |
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| 22:23.43 | abraxa_ | The team does have plans for more phones but I doubt there are any prototypes even |
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| 22:23.56 | doc|work | sure, but any idea on features? |
| 22:24.10 | abraxa_ | Nooooo idea :) |
| 22:24.21 | doc|work | i'm bored and in a mood for thinking about shiny stuff :) |
| 22:24.49 | abraxa_ | Go for it then, the wishlist on the wiki always longs for enhancements |
| 22:25.19 | doc|work | I'm reading it now, it has lots and stuff I think would be silly (due to expense) :) |
| 22:25.41 | doc|work | then again, I think gps is silly but *shrug* :) |
| 22:25.51 | abraxa_ | GPS is niiiiice imo |
| 22:26.24 | ckuethe | gps++ |
| 22:26.55 | happycube | gps+wifi = win |
| 22:27.01 | doc|work | well, maybe, but only if there's a mapping app, oooh I like that idea maybe |
| 22:27.17 | doc|work | yeah, if you can get wifi :) |
| 22:27.27 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Minimo]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Main_Page]] [[Angstrom_on_Neo1973]] [[MacOS_X]] [[OpenMoko2007.2]] |
| 22:27.36 | happycube | i actually think gps+camera would be awesome... you could hang the neo off something and take a picture every 100ft or so |
| 22:27.49 | doc|work | happycube: a dog? :) |
| 22:27.50 | happycube | and you could automagically geotag all photos |
| 22:27.54 | happycube | heh |
| 22:27.57 | doc|work | run fido! run! |
| 22:28.16 | SpeedEvil | See [[Openmoko]] on the wiki |
| 22:28.18 | SpeedEvil | sort-of. |
| 22:28.29 | SpeedEvil | See [[Openstreetmap]] on the wiki |
| 22:28.41 | SpeedEvil | though the companion page - that would really cover that needs to be added. |
| 22:28.44 | happycube | gta02'll be a great one piece wardriver |
| 22:29.00 | doc|work | yeah |
| 22:29.55 | doc|work | I think it might be nice if the phone was a little less... ugly. The iphone, which is probably its greatest competitor is a far nicer looking phone :| |
| 22:30.27 | abraxa_ | I like the design - it's unique and makes a point: we don't need to copy anyone else |
| 22:30.30 | Stephmw | doc|work: there's a page on custom cases :) |
| 22:30.38 | Stephmw | doc|work: on the wiki that is |
| 22:30.51 | doc|work | abraxa_: sure, but it's bulky looking |
| 22:31.26 | doc|work | openstreetmap looks like a nice idea |
| 22:31.42 | daMaestro | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.00 | daMaestro | ^ openmoko building |
| 22:32.09 | doc|work | Stephmw: aye, I'm thinking the case with the space with the space removed, but it's not going to work if the internals are the same :/ |
| 22:32.26 | doc|work | s/with the space with/with |
| 22:32.30 | SpeedEvil | It's basically a complete rebake if you remove the space. |
| 22:32.41 | SpeedEvil | You'd want to put bluetooth and wifi modules on the one PCB. |
| 22:32.48 | SpeedEvil | along with everything else. |
| 22:33.02 | doc|work | exactly |
| 22:33.09 | doc|work | so an alternate case isn't really possible :/ |
| 22:33.16 | SpeedEvil | It's possible. |
| 22:33.26 | SpeedEvil | An alternate case that's much smaller is hard. |
| 22:34.00 | woglinde | stephwm sorry git compiling cost me some nerv |
| 22:34.02 | SpeedEvil | If you for example lost the GPS antenna, or relocated it, that'd shrink it down a moderate bit. |
| 22:34.07 | woglinde | so I will not check it in today |
| 22:34.14 | woglinde | maabay tomorrow nite |
| 22:34.29 | ckuethe | sexy new tiny gps antennas exist |
| 22:34.36 | ckuethe | see sparkfun.com for examples |
| 22:34.40 | abraxa_ | ckuethe: GPS or GSM? |
| 22:34.51 | ckuethe | gps |
| 22:34.59 | ckuethe | like, fingernail-sized |
| 22:35.09 | abraxa_ | I thought the hammerhead module has an antenna integrated? |
| 22:35.19 | ckuethe | not from the disassembly photos |
| 22:35.31 | abraxa_ | Oh, you need an external antenna for GPS to work? |
| 22:35.32 | ckuethe | i thought the hammerhead was just the rf/correlator chip |
| 22:35.49 | ckuethe | you still need some kind of antenna to get rf into the chip |
| 22:35.49 | SpeedEvil | It is. |
| 22:35.56 | ckuethe | albeit a small antenna |
| 22:36.07 | abraxa_ | That's kind of a downer actually |
| 22:36.12 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware |
| 22:36.21 | SpeedEvil | second picture down - the grey wire goes to the GPS |
| 22:36.43 | SpeedEvil | GPS antenna |
| 22:36.48 | ckuethe | the antenna is external to the hammerhead chip, but internal to the handset |
| 22:37.03 | ckuethe | it's not gonna be flopping around on a 6' cable :) |
| 22:37.17 | abraxa_ | Oh, then I misunderstood - I thought the square module was the hammerhead itself |
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| 22:38.00 | abraxa_ | Thanks for clarifying :) |
| 22:38.16 | ckuethe | no, that's just the ceramic antenna |
| 22:38.57 | ckuethe | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta01b_v3_case_top_open_pcb_lifted.jpg |
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| 22:40.34 | SpeedEvil | I suspect it may be an active antenna. |
| 22:40.39 | SpeedEvil | I am not sure though. |
| 22:40.46 | ckuethe | i think so |
| 22:40.48 | doc|work | by the way, how long do they take to boot up? |
| 22:40.52 | SpeedEvil | what? |
| 22:41.27 | ckuethe | looking at pcb_lifted.jpg, you can see the little tin can on the back of the antenna, that would be a good place to put an LNA |
| 22:41.58 | ckuethe | also in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Gta01b_v3_case_top_open_white.jpg |
| 22:43.09 | abraxa_ | doc|work: Current Neos? About 20 seconds I'd estimate |
| 22:43.19 | SpeedEvil | Between 1s - with optimal not-implemented AGPS - 11s - warm start - it's been off a minute or so - 30-60s if it's got a good view of the sky. |
| 22:43.38 | doc|work | abraxa_: good, thanks |
| 22:44.12 | SpeedEvil | In principle, on-board software can take a position in one second every three minutes or so. |
| 22:44.33 | SpeedEvil | In practice - well, we'll see. |
| 22:45.02 | cesarb | ckuethe: doesn't it already have a LNA? |
| 22:45.26 | cesarb | ckuethe: (IIRC the neo power subsystem page has one of the voltage buses with a LNA listed on it...) |
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| 22:45.39 | ckuethe | gut feeling: |
| 22:46.04 | ckuethe | no LNA inside hammerhead, it sends +3.3V to an LNA down the RF cable |
| 22:46.13 | SpeedEvil | trivial to do. |
| 22:46.30 | SpeedEvil | The HH doesn't actually require a LNA. |
| 22:46.31 | ckuethe | and you just send a command / assert a pin on hammerhead to turn that off to save power |
| 22:46.43 | SpeedEvil | If it has one is another question. |
| 22:47.26 | ckuethe | it would make sense to have one |
| 22:47.45 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it is on AVDD, check the wiki page |
| 22:48.00 | cesarb | Used by: AGPS (lna power int/ext, antenna switch) |
| 22:48.16 | cesarb | Controlled by: EN_AGPS3V GPIO |
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| 22:48.38 | ckuethe | until we see the schematics we don'tknow if it's there |
| 22:48.48 | ckuethe | sure, we could route the signal |
| 22:48.49 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 22:49.04 | ckuethe | but that doesn't guarantee that there is in fact an LNA |
| 22:49.08 | rushforth | anyone familiar with PUK codes and/or their use(s) ? |
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| 22:49.20 | ckuethe | but given the little metal can on the back of the antenna, i'd say there is an LNA under there |
| 22:49.26 | SpeedEvil | Prolly |
| 22:49.49 | cesarb | rushforth: the only use for a PUK code is to reset the corresponding PIN code |
| 22:49.53 | rushforth | just found some information in the att support area that mentions I need to 'unblock' all new sims to enable their functionality |
| 22:49.58 | oolonc | Hey, question: |
| 22:49.58 | rushforth | using a PUK code |
| 22:50.15 | ckuethe | rushforth: not really... once, i typed my SIM PIN wrong too many times, and i had to call my carrier to get the PUK code to let me back into my SIM |
| 22:50.26 | rushforth | ckuethe: interesting, i see |
| 22:50.44 | cesarb | ckuethe: you had to call your carrier? |
| 22:50.47 | ckuethe | yep |
| 22:50.48 | oolonc | Is the lat/long relatively visible from nmea data? |
| 22:50.55 | cesarb | ckuethe: with Claro, the PUK comes with the SIM chip |
| 22:50.57 | ckuethe | oolonc: yes |
| 22:51.04 | oolonc | Ok, cool. |
| 22:51.14 | ckuethe | cesarb: north american carriers have their heads up their butts. |
| 22:51.29 | cesarb | ckuethe: in one of these things you have to scrub (is this the right word?) to see the number |
| 22:52.02 | cesarb | ckuethe: on the "large" part of the SIM (the part which is left over after you detach the small part with the chip/contacts) |
| 22:52.04 | doc|work | ckuethe: their rates make that obvious :/ |
| 22:52.29 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:52.37 | cesarb | We have the PIN, PUK (hidden), PIN2 (hidden), PUK2 (hidden)... and the PIN is the same for everyone (a well-known obvious one) |
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| 22:52.38 | ckuethe | oolonc: there are at least three generic nmea sentences with position: GPRMC, GPGGA and GPGLL |
| 22:53.25 | ckuethe | ah, the sim "carrier" card... about the size of a credit card |
| 22:53.36 | ckuethe | nope, nothing useful like that from my carrier. |
| 22:54.08 | SpeedEvil | $GPRMC,120651.00,A,5613.012131,N,00306.722647,W,000.0,000.0,07,,,A*47 - earlier today. |
| 22:54.19 | woglinde | speedevil hehe |
| 22:54.24 | SpeedEvil | 56 degrees, 13.012 minutes north |
| 22:54.27 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 22:54.33 | cesarb | ckuethe: in fact, it's the original size of the SIM card, if Wikipedia is correct ;-) |
| 22:54.45 | cesarb | ckuethe: but phones got too small to use such a large smartcard |
| 22:54.54 | SpeedEvil | I have somewhere a phone that takes full-sized cards. |
| 22:54.56 | SpeedEvil | It no longer works. |
| 22:55.06 | cesarb | (it's not "about" the size of a credit card, it's exactly the size of a credit card) |
| 22:55.11 | ckuethe | yeah, i guess some satellite receivers still use the "big" smartcards |
| 22:55.25 | ckuethe | http://www.werple.net.au/~gnb/gps/nmea.html <--- various nmea sentences explained. |
| 22:55.34 | cesarb | ckuethe: not to mention the EMV ones (most real credit cards and bank cards) |
| 22:55.35 | ckuethe | most of which you'll never need |
| 22:58.57 | oolonc | Heh, nice. |
| 22:59.26 | oolonc | I think I need to go outside, I don't think I can get a lock in the building. Thanks all! |
| 22:59.34 | ckuethe | some receivers can |
| 22:59.44 | ckuethe | we'd love it if the hammerhead got there one day |
| 23:00.06 | SpeedEvil | It's here now, with the stock firmware. |
| 23:00.17 | SpeedEvil | Well - out of stock firmware. |
| 23:00.26 | SpeedEvil | It was getting a 6 sat fix inside my house. |
| 23:00.45 | SpeedEvil | A Garmin GPS-12 gets sometimes barely a hint of 2 sats. |
| 23:00.46 | jaebird | for keyboard input is there any work being done on the metropolis keyboard designs? |
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| 23:01.34 | jaebird | similar to the myKbd ATOMIK for the palm |
| 23:01.51 | SpeedEvil | np: Blondie - Atomic. |
| 23:01.54 | HellDragon | SpeedEvil: no |
| 23:05.57 | SpeedEvil | Could have been worse. |
| 23:06.26 | SpeedEvil | I could have chosen something by Atomik Kitten. |
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| 23:11.22 | doc|work | you have atomic kitten? |
| 23:12.19 | SpeedEvil | I could have torrented some. |
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| 23:16.08 | cesarb | I read somewhere in the scrollback that 2007.2 is going to use EABI... Does anyone have a source for that information so I could read more about it? |
| 23:17.08 | alphaone | cesarb: 2007.2 is going to be based on angstrom |
| 23:17.25 | SpeedEvil | Is the touchscreen connected to the pcf* or the SoC? |
| 23:18.07 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: SoC IIRC, the info is on the neo hardware page |
| 23:18.40 | woglinde | midpath and cacao-cldc works with qt-embedded |
| 23:18.52 | SpeedEvil | Oh well. |
| 23:19.09 | SpeedEvil | I was just reading the pcf* datasheets and found fun stuff on measuring touch pressure. |
| 23:19.15 | woglinde | no I can go to bet |
| 23:19.25 | woglinde | bed |
| 23:19.28 | woglinde | nite all |
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| 23:23.48 | SpeedEvil | The bootloader page says stuff about adding to the boot menu. |
| 23:24.01 | SpeedEvil | Are these additions stored? |
| 23:24.13 | happycube | yeah if you run 'saveenv' |
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| 23:24.26 | happycube | they're u-boot environment variables |
| 23:24.58 | alech | hey ... finally, my credit card has been charged today :-) For those who've already gone through the process - how long did it take for you from charging to shipping? |
| 23:25.53 | happycube | about a week |
| 23:25.53 | ljp | took 3 days to australia |
| 23:25.56 | happycube | might be faster this time |
| 23:26.01 | SpeedEvil | happycube: so tehy're saved to NAND? |
| 23:26.07 | happycube | yeah |
| 23:26.22 | alech | hmmm, I was talking about starting to ship (so the next e-mail) ... - ? |
| 23:28.54 | thomasg | anyone here using the newest (august 3rd) build and can tell me if the ext2 module is included? |
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| 23:31.28 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: there's a whole partition just to save the uboot environment ;-) |
| 23:32.27 | cesarb | btw, what's the highest ticket # charged so far? |
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| 23:38.43 | thomasg | it's ironc - my openmokobuild (buildhost) doesn't have an ext2/3 driver with it - but mkfs.ext2/3. it has a (v)fat driver with it - but no mkfs.vfat -.- |
| 23:42.14 | alech | cesarb: I've got 3706 and was charged today |
| 23:44.02 | alech | night everyone ... |
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| 23:48.50 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 23:48.52 | SpeedEvil | 3706. |
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| 23:49.12 | SpeedEvil | That would seem to be >1000 total units. |
| 23:50.15 | cesarb | Well, I'm on the 3500s... And I didn't get any email, I have to check with my friend if he was charged (I don't have a credit card, so a friend used his for me) |
| 23:50.44 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 23:52.04 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: well, the charging step doesn't generate any email, does it? |
| 23:52.11 | SpeedEvil | Don't know. |
| 23:52.18 | cesarb | Wasn't the email on the next step (sending/tracking)? |
| 23:52.21 | SpeedEvil | I think so |
| 23:53.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 682 has been created by harlyn(AT)jenkins.org |
| 23:53.02 | cdbot2 | * * OpenMoko compatible with T-Mobile Hotspot@Home |
| 23:53.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=682 |
| 23:53.12 | cesarb | Even if it was a spammy "it'll take some more time, you know" to people with still open tickets, sent by one of harald's hacky perl scripts |
| 23:53.31 | b1303s__ | thomasg: maybe you can use modules from: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ |
| 23:54.07 | SpeedEvil | That's not a bug! :) |
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| 23:56.13 | b1303s__ | thomasg: ext2 on mmc works for me with module from there |
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| 23:56.33 | thomasg | ok b1303s__ thx for the info, I'll try |
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