| 00:00.04 | calamous_ | Yeah. I hope mine was shipped today, but i havent got an email yet |
| 00:00.15 | calamous_ | Jason1: you got your email this morning that it was shipped right? |
| 00:00.33 | Jason1 | calamous_: yup. |
| 00:00.45 | bmidgley | Jason1: i cleaned up http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem#Phase0_Quick_Start so it would be a simpler test |
| 00:00.57 | Jason1 | looksl ike "Casey Harkins" will receives his today... |
| 00:01.24 | bmidgley | I put an mp3 on my sd card for audio testing |
| 00:01.26 | Jason1 | bmidgley: Awesome. I will give it a try afterwhile. Ill let you know how it goes |
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| 00:06.49 | SpeedEvil | Jason1: what was your CC charge-ship time? |
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| 00:08.45 | Jason1 | SpeedEvil: Too long :) |
| 00:08.58 | Jason1 | SpeedEvil: My card was charged last Wednesday |
| 00:12.19 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: but then, he's an statistical anomaly |
| 00:12.39 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: one of the two which were the only ones charged in a specific day |
| 00:12.42 | Jason1 | yeah, it took a couple more daysbefore they charged ANYONE else. |
| 00:13.01 | Jason1 | cesarb: beat me to it :) |
| 00:13.02 | cesarb | Jason1: didn't they charge the second guy the following day? |
| 00:13.17 | cesarb | Jason1: followed by two more guys in the third day |
| 00:13.57 | cesarb | And then, the rest started on the fourth day... |
| 00:14.44 | Jason1 | bmidgley: FYI, im listening to Bon Jovi - Blaze of Glory on my Neo :) |
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| 00:16.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem]] [[Neo1973_Power_Management]] [[Hear_Me_FIC]] [[Talk:Neo1973_Power_Management]] [[Toolchain/it]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] |
| 00:16.26 | happycube | ok the latest openmoko checkout builds again |
| 00:16.32 | Jason1 | "Im going down in a blaze of glorrryyyy....." |
| 00:17.05 | happycube | i wish OE did parallel stuff better though... i get a 1:1 cpu time usage on my opty |
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| 00:18.41 | happycube | it'd be rather sad to have a core 2 quad and only have a 120% load or something like that |
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| 00:19.40 | cesarb | happycube: you could try using distcc... perhaps you could trick distcc into running two instances in the same computer ;-) |
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| 00:19.48 | Jason1 | my headset is defective :( |
| 00:19.59 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 00:20.03 | SpeedEvil | How? |
| 00:20.35 | Jason1 | one of the ear bud leads is only 6 inches while the other is 15-16 inched |
| 00:20.49 | cjb | isn't that normal? |
| 00:21.05 | Jason1 | cjb_ie: really? seems odd |
| 00:21.07 | cesarb | Jason1: some earphones are like that |
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| 00:21.14 | cesarb | Jason1: they are really asymetrical |
| 00:21.29 | happycube | cesarb - hummm... i supposedly added -j2 to the local.conf |
| 00:21.44 | Jason1 | cesarb: for people with asymetrical heads? |
| 00:21.45 | happycube | a lot of it is that it dosen't do background downloading |
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| 00:22.56 | happycube | :) |
| 00:22.56 | cesarb | Jason1: I don't know WHY they do that, since symetrical is more logical, but I've seen that kind of thing before |
| 00:22.58 | Jason1 | cesarb: interesting. i'll have to reaseach the reasoning behind it... |
| 00:23.22 | Jason1 | cesarb: thought maybe the chinese kids in the factory had gotten lazy :) |
| 00:23.36 | cesarb | Jason1: there's also the big headsets with over-the-head headbands, which are often asymetrical (there's only one lead, on one of the sides) |
| 00:23.42 | bug_ | i think the loger side should go around your neck |
| 00:24.04 | Jason1 | bug_: like a noose? |
| 00:24.17 | Jason1 | bug_: ohhh.... around hte back of the neck. |
| 00:24.32 | Jason1 | now that makes perfect sense! |
| 00:24.33 | bug_ | jason1: yes |
| 00:24.58 | Jason1 | Im very glad that my sound stuff works. |
| 00:25.17 | bug_ | good quality? |
| 00:25.19 | cesarb | Jason1: er... are you sure? |
| 00:25.25 | cesarb | Jason1: did you test the _mic_? |
| 00:25.37 | cesarb | Jason1: if you didn't, you cannot say the sound stuff works ;-) |
| 00:26.47 | Jason1 | cesarb: didnt test hte mic. just played an MP3 |
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| 00:27.05 | Jason1 | cesarb: correction. the sound *output* stuff works :) |
| 00:27.10 | cesarb | Jason1: heh |
| 00:27.30 | cesarb | Jason1: in all five different output paths? |
| 00:27.36 | cesarb | :D |
| 00:27.37 | Jason1 | cesarb: kma |
| 00:27.45 | Jason1 | hehe |
| 00:27.45 | cesarb | Jason1: ? |
| 00:27.51 | Jason1 | kiss my ass |
| 00:27.54 | cesarb | ah |
| 00:28.37 | Jason1 | question: after you build with mokomakefile, where does the resulting image reside? |
| 00:28.50 | cesarb | (the five output paths: the stereo speakers, the mono phone speaker, the headset, the bluetooth module, and the GSM modem... did I forget any?) |
| 00:28.54 | cjb | Jason1: tmp/deploy |
| 00:29.10 | cesarb | Jason1: build/tmp/deploy/images |
| 00:29.42 | Jason1 | perfect. time to re-flash :) |
| 00:30.02 | cesarb | Jason1: according to flash.sh, it seems the rootfs is openmoko-*.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 00:30.15 | cesarb | Jason1: the kernel uImage-2.6.*-fic-gta01.bin |
| 00:30.36 | cesarb | Jason1: and the uboot u-boot-gta01b*.bin, if you are feeling lucky ;-) |
| 00:30.39 | Jason1 | cesarb: yup. I did it once when i got hte phone, but hte public images are out of date, and break the gsm modem functionality |
| 00:31.07 | Jason1 | yeah, not touching uboot :) |
| 00:32.00 | cesarb | Doesn't uboot include the magic first NAND block which you can use only 1000 times? |
| 00:33.03 | hozer | 'only' 1000 times? |
| 00:33.13 | cjb | s/use/erase/ |
| 00:33.34 | hozer | isn't it more like 10,000 ? |
| 00:33.54 | cesarb | hozer: well, it's 1000 times with _no_ bit errors (i.e. no need for ECC) |
| 00:34.01 | cesarb | hozer: none of the other blocks have that guarantee, BUT |
| 00:34.19 | hozer | ah |
| 00:34.29 | cesarb | hozer: you cannot use ECC on the first block, since it's the CPU's builtin bootloader which reads it, and it doesn't grok the ECC stuff |
| 00:34.39 | SpeedEvil | It's only guaranteed for 1000 times. |
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| 00:34.58 | cesarb | hozer: so, even if it's guaranteed to be a high-quality block of flash, it ends up being the one which will endure the least erase cycles... |
| 00:35.00 | SpeedEvil | The rest of the memory is guaranteed to have at least the sticker capacity after you've written each block 100000 times. |
| 00:35.29 | SpeedEvil | It is _not_ guaranteed that all blocks will last 100K writes - there are large numbers of spare blocks. |
| 00:35.44 | hozer | yeah |
| 00:35.57 | cesarb | the first block goes above that by having an extra 1000 guaranteed cycles without ECC |
| 00:36.12 | SpeedEvil | But if the first block goes, you're kind of screwed. |
| 00:36.15 | hozer | how many bit ECC? |
| 00:36.23 | hozer | is that completely up to the filesystem drivers? |
| 00:36.57 | hozer | we've already got bootloaders with crypto |
| 00:37.02 | cesarb | hozer: in theory yes, in practice you need at least a certain level of ECC to be able to get what you paid for |
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| 00:37.43 | hozer | cesarb: the ECC is over 512 or so bytes, right? |
| 00:38.13 | ckuethe | probably someone will write a bootloader that jumps to another block that reads another block, does the ECC and exec()'s that |
| 00:38.20 | cesarb | hozer: yeah... I don't recall the block size, but it has an extra 16 bytes for each block |
| 00:38.38 | ckuethe | so the first stage gets written maybe half a dozen times |
| 00:38.54 | ckuethe | then you can scribble all over the rest of flash |
| 00:39.15 | mdt | is there any doc about the filesystem structure? are there partitions? where are those mounted? is there something going to sd-card by default? |
| 00:39.15 | cesarb | ckuethe: hm, interesting idea... perhaps uboot already does something like that ;-) (i.e. do not write the first block, since it doesn't change much) |
| 00:39.29 | ckuethe | it's like MBRs |
| 00:39.35 | cesarb | mdt: nothing goes to the sd card by default |
| 00:39.43 | cesarb | mdt: and the doc on the partitions is on the wiki |
| 00:39.49 | ckuethe | just enough magic in sector 0 to jump to something smarter in sector 1-4 |
| 00:39.52 | mdt | where does ipkg install? |
| 00:39.56 | cesarb | mdt: only one of the partitions is mounted, on / |
| 00:40.01 | ckuethe | just enough magic in sector 1-4 to ... whatever |
| 00:40.13 | cesarb | mdt: the other ones are (IIRC) uboot, uboot-env, kernel, splash |
| 00:41.43 | mdt | cesarb, can you tell me where in the wiki? |
| 00:41.55 | cesarb | from the flash.sh used to flash the qemu fake neo: |
| 00:41.56 | cesarb | setenv mtdparts mtdparts=neo1973-nand:0x00050000(u-boot),0x00004000(u-boot_env), |
| 00:41.56 | cesarb | 0x00208000(kernel),0x00010000(splash),0x039a4000(rootfs) |
| 00:43.54 | cesarb | mdt: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks |
| 00:44.07 | cesarb | mdt: all the information you would want to know about the NAND management of the neo is there ;-) |
| 00:45.26 | mdt | cesarb, yes, about nand, i was interested in fs structure... i.e. where are packages installed via ipkg? |
| 00:48.15 | Jason1 | download complete. rebooting. I can feel my first telephone call nearing! |
| 00:48.15 | cesarb | mdt: I'd guess they would be strewn (sp?) around all the /, much like with dpkg |
| 00:48.45 | mdt | but isn't / ro? |
| 00:48.50 | cesarb | mdt: no |
| 00:48.54 | cesarb | mdt: it's rw |
| 00:49.11 | cesarb | mdt: else, where would you store data like your contacts? |
| 00:49.12 | mdt | oups... that's nice ;) |
| 00:49.19 | mdt | sd-card? :D |
| 00:49.33 | cesarb | mdt: it should work without one ;-) |
| 00:50.08 | cesarb | mdt: (and a sd-card is a lousy place to put contacts... it's better for the MP3 you will hear on the bus to work and the PDF you will read on the bus to work) |
| 00:50.09 | mdt | but if you have 100.000 write cycles thats very fast reached... |
| 00:50.21 | cesarb | mdt: not with wear leveling |
| 00:50.46 | cesarb | mdt: (go read about wear leveling on wikipedia) |
| 00:51.04 | mdt | :D thnx just wanted to ask |
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| 00:52.40 | cesarb | mdt: in fact, with a sufficiently large flash and a sufficiently slow flash interface and a sufficiently large number of erase cycles, you can multiply all the numbers and find out it will take _years_ for it to wear out even if you write at the maximum possible rate |
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| 00:53.15 | mdt | okay, so that is transparent for the app as long as i use another fs than say ext3? |
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| 00:53.45 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 00:54.03 | mdt | (i write a app that uses sqlite3 for lots of writes - that would be okay?) |
| 00:54.05 | SpeedEvil | SD - the blocks are wear leveled internally. |
| 00:54.07 | cesarb | mdt: on the neo builtin flash, the wear leveling is managed by the jffs2 filesystem, and on the sd card, it's the card itself which manages the wear leveling |
| 00:54.14 | SpeedEvil | So you can in fact use ext2 |
| 00:54.20 | SpeedEvil | and swap to it without issue. |
| 00:54.22 | cesarb | mdt: well, you'll have to do the calculation I outlined above ;-) |
| 00:54.58 | SpeedEvil | consider that you can make 100K writes to a block. |
| 00:55.06 | SpeedEvil | This is one write a second for a day. |
| 00:55.42 | mdt | so the internal store has another filesystem? jffs?2? |
| 00:55.53 | SpeedEvil | So 100 writes/second wears out 50Kbytes or so of flash a day. |
| 00:56.04 | SpeedEvil | Which is a long time in a 2G card |
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| 00:56.31 | mdt | and the space is just decreasing? |
| 00:56.34 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 00:57.15 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't break until all the blocks are 'used'. |
| 00:57.56 | SpeedEvil | As it's wear leveled. |
| 00:58.14 | mdt | strange stuff for me as a software developer ;) |
| 00:58.23 | cesarb | mdt: it has spare blocks |
| 00:58.49 | writchie | has anyone look into the UBI in the 2.6.22 kernel |
| 00:58.59 | writchie | i.e. speaking of wear leveling |
| 00:58.59 | cesarb | mdt: and it can move blocks around so an almost-failing block can get the nonchanging data, freeing the less-used blocks for the changing data |
| 00:59.32 | mdt | cesarb, but again: for the internal nand is this done by linux? |
| 00:59.41 | mdt | ...say by the fs driver? |
| 00:59.43 | cesarb | writchie: I think I saw an article about it on lkml |
| 00:59.55 | writchie | this is a better long term solution |
| 01:00.04 | writchie | jffs2 is pretty ugly |
| 01:00.05 | cesarb | mdt: on the internal flash of the neo, yes, it's the jffs2 filesystem; on the sd card, no, it's the card itself |
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| 01:00.29 | writchie | ubi moves the wear leveling and bad block stuff to a separate layer |
| 01:00.35 | cesarb | writchie: well, it's another layer of abstraction... all problems in computing can be solved by adding another layer of abstraction |
| 01:00.43 | cesarb | unless your problem is too many layers of abstraction |
| 01:00.50 | mdt | cesarb, :) |
| 01:00.51 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: unless... oh |
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| 01:01.19 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: sorry, should've delayed the second part of the quote so other people would complete it ;-) |
| 01:01.26 | mdt | cesarb, you sound like an java developer... |
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| 01:01.59 | cesarb | mdt: :) |
| 01:02.05 | writchie | SpeedEvil: do you ever sleep or are you a bot |
| 01:02.35 | cesarb | writchie: I saw someone else asking that yesterday on my backlog ;-) |
| 01:02.36 | mdt | cesarb, if you are interested i can send a hammer factory to you ;) |
| 01:02.58 | writchie | turing test candidate |
| 01:04.17 | mdt | are there any plans to port openmoko to the greenphone? |
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| 01:10.25 | Jason1 | Well, I just completed my first Neo call. sorta. It was via the command-line, and the Neo mic wouldnt work, and the external speaker on the Neo produced feedback, but technically, the 2 phones connected, and transmitted my voice :) |
| 01:10.29 | paulproteus | I have a pre-July Neo1973 but I'm new to using the phone. |
| 01:10.35 | paulproteus | Jason1, Sweet! |
| 01:10.37 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:10.45 | Paladine | anyone know if there is an openembedded package for courier-imap? I only seem to be able to find cyrus-imapd |
| 01:10.56 | paulproteus | Psst dovecot is better! (-; |
| 01:11.09 | paulproteus | I'm trying to upgrade the rootfs and kernel on here but the phone's bootloader told me, "Bad partition 1". |
| 01:11.13 | Paladine | I am already using courier-imap |
| 01:11.23 | Paladine | so it would be easier to just install that and move everything over |
| 01:11.26 | paulproteus | I'm using ext2. Does the partition have to be of different type than 82, which is the default Linux type? |
| 01:11.40 | Paladine | and I can't find dovecot in the OE packages either |
| 01:11.43 | mdt | Jason1, gratulation! did i understand that right that the voice data is transported by the arm processor? |
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| 01:12.25 | jaebird | Jason1: nice...envy |
| 01:12.31 | Jason1 | :) |
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| 01:13.04 | jaebird | did you get the shipped notify after you received it? |
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| 01:15.54 | ZerothCloned | hello all |
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| 01:21.38 | writchie | SpeedEvil: looking at the PM Wiki pages - why is BT powered off. We need this is wake us up? |
| 01:22.33 | Jason1 | Just realizedthat I had not opened my Neo pouch yet:) |
| 01:22.42 | paulproteus | Looks like dfu-util |
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| 01:22.50 | paulproteus | is the easiest way to flash a new rootfs on, right? |
| 01:23.04 | ZerothCloned | Know what would be a good way to get the Neo well-accepted in Us/Canada? Basically, one or two companies that provide business centric apps and corporate servers for push email and other uses. Of course, all open-source, but the money is in the service contracts ;-) |
| 01:23.07 | Jason1 | paulproteus: Yeah. It really isnt that painful |
| 01:23.13 | paulproteus | Sounds great. |
| 01:24.17 | SpeedEvil | writchie: err - what do you mean? |
| 01:24.40 | SpeedEvil | The CPU has to be on to run the bluetooth chip as I understand it. |
| 01:25.14 | SpeedEvil | In 'fast' mode - which I _think_ means 100mW or so of total consumption. |
| 01:25.24 | SpeedEvil | (at the slowest clock availbale) |
| 01:25.29 | SpeedEvil | with GSM on |
| 01:25.39 | ZerothCloned | Maybe he meant why is the bt off by default? |
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| 01:26.09 | SpeedEvil | Which means a maximum battery life of 40h with bluetooth on. |
| 01:26.18 | SpeedEvil | Optimistically. |
| 01:26.28 | paulproteus | How do I get the phone into DFU mode? |
| 01:26.34 | SpeedEvil | Turn off bluetooth, and you also can turn off hte CPU |
| 01:26.36 | paulproteus | In the bootloader it seems to be in runtime mode. |
| 01:27.00 | ZerothCloned | assuming no music, no calls, no wireless, no touching the screen... what is the battery life for normal usage? does anyone know? |
| 01:27.07 | SpeedEvil | dropping it to some 30mW (GSM modem onlu) - taking it to some 5-6 days. |
| 01:27.19 | SpeedEvil | It's almost meaningless. |
| 01:27.31 | SpeedEvil | There is very little meaningfull powersaving ATM. |
| 01:27.47 | ZerothCloned | any power-throttling? |
| 01:27.48 | SpeedEvil | But on the order of 4-5 hours. |
| 01:27.50 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 01:28.01 | SpeedEvil | It can be done - but not yet. |
| 01:28.16 | paulproteus | (Oh, dfu-util does it for me re: putting the device into DFU mode.) |
| 01:28.20 | paulproteus | That's nice of it! |
| 01:28.21 | ZerothCloned | *nods* Thanks SpeedEvil |
| 01:28.54 | writchie | BT stuff doesn't sound right. |
| 01:29.16 | writchie | the CSR4 should have a wake up to the CPU |
| 01:29.43 | writchie | as long as we are not hosting and parking slaves |
| 01:29.54 | SpeedEvil | It's connected over USB |
| 01:30.12 | SpeedEvil | The CPU needs to be running to listen to it. |
| 01:30.14 | writchie | even in USB there is a bit of an unconventional PM scheme as I recall |
| 01:30.31 | SpeedEvil | Well - anyway. |
| 01:30.40 | SpeedEvil | There is no mention of wake on bluetooth event. |
| 01:30.42 | writchie | But if a BT connection comes in we would have to wake up |
| 01:30.52 | SpeedEvil | Not if bluetooth is off. |
| 01:31.08 | writchie | why BT off - it should only need about 5mw |
| 01:31.28 | SpeedEvil | It's 20-30mW or so to run the reciever typically. |
| 01:32.01 | writchie | not in low power mode |
| 01:32.13 | SpeedEvil | There has been no mention of wake signals from the BT module that can wake the CPU. |
| 01:32.34 | SpeedEvil | This would of course be nice, but... |
| 01:32.36 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
| 01:32.45 | writchie | OK let me look at the CSR docs - do you know a chip number other than 4 series |
| 01:32.58 | SpeedEvil | 2 day life with BT on isn't horrible. |
| 01:33.03 | writchie | BT must be always on. |
| 01:33.16 | writchie | my p800 does about 4 days even with phone calls once in a while |
| 01:33.33 | SpeedEvil | BT must be always on - in your opinion. |
| 01:33.39 | writchie | yes imho |
| 01:33.47 | writchie | my use cases |
| 01:33.50 | SpeedEvil | It may not be setup that way. |
| 01:33.58 | writchie | then P# |
| 01:34.01 | writchie | P3 |
| 01:34.08 | SpeedEvil | P3? |
| 01:34.11 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 01:34.15 | SpeedEvil | probably, yes. |
| 01:34.29 | writchie | BT is ten years old. |
| 01:34.33 | SpeedEvil | That's an obvious fix. |
| 01:34.48 | sublime_ | imho bluetooth should not always be on |
| 01:34.57 | sublime_ | it should be something the user decides to turn on or not |
| 01:35.02 | writchie | for several years the continuous on problem has been solved. |
| 01:35.08 | SpeedEvil | It should be settable to be always on without a major battery hit. |
| 01:35.09 | writchie | subline: of course |
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| 01:35.30 | ferric | hello, LaF0rge |
| 01:35.42 | sublime_ | didnt you just say it should always be on |
| 01:35.45 | ferric | so Jason1 made his first call? |
| 01:35.53 | SpeedEvil | With AT commands... |
| 01:35.55 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:36.00 | Jason1 | ferric: yup |
| 01:36.01 | SpeedEvil | First paid-user-call. |
| 01:36.05 | writchie | BT should be always on to support many typical use cases |
| 01:36.10 | ferric | very nice. |
| 01:36.14 | sublime_ | ok, gotcha |
| 01:36.19 | ferric | congrats, Jason1 |
| 01:36.26 | ferric | the dialer doesn't work? |
| 01:36.31 | sublime_ | hey jason1 |
| 01:36.37 | sublime_ | i hate you |
| 01:36.42 | SpeedEvil | LaF0rge: would you happen to know if the BT module can wake the CPU? and Congrats! |
| 01:36.47 | Jason1 | SpeedEvil: Gota little better since then Completed a call via GUI. Once I turned down the volume in alsamixer, the feedback subsided. The GUI crashed however... |
| 01:36.59 | Jason1 | sublime_: likewise :) |
| 01:37.03 | ferric | lol |
| 01:37.07 | sublime_ | <3 |
| 01:37.25 | ferric | the international symbol of hate? |
| 01:37.31 | paulproteus | So does the dialer app work for anyone? |
| 01:37.35 | sublime_ | my credit card was rejected and they never told me |
| 01:37.39 | paulproteus | i.e., should I try compiling a fresher image? (-: |
| 01:37.49 | Jason1 | ferric: barely. I did make a call, but it crashed once I tried to press "hangup" |
| 01:37.50 | paulproteus | Jason1, Oh, hah! |
| 01:38.08 | paulproteus | lol, Jason1. |
| 01:38.46 | ferric | well, its better than nothin' |
| 01:38.51 | Jason1 | gsmd would not work at all on the July 4th image that is published on buildhost |
| 01:39.06 | Jason1 | ferric: I have a feeling these rough edges will be smoothed quickly |
| 01:39.17 | Jason1 | I also played an MP3 :) |
| 01:39.24 | ferric | you talk to any of the P0 ppl? |
| 01:39.38 | Jason1 | no. |
| 01:39.56 | Jason1 | One thing I have not tried is the GPS. anyone know how to get some output out of it? |
| 01:40.40 | SpeedEvil | Jason1: do you have a binary 'gllin' ? |
| 01:40.41 | paulproteus | Jason1, Do you have a newer JFFS2 image? |
| 01:40.52 | Jason1 | yeah |
| 01:40.53 | paulproteus | I just flashed the July 4 one and it is quite broken; /usr/lib/libz.so.1 is "too short"! |
| 01:40.59 | paulproteus | Could I nab a copy? (-: |
| 01:41.04 | SpeedEvil | Jason1: you basically run that. |
| 01:41.15 | SpeedEvil | Jason1: and it spits out NMEA out a pipe. |
| 01:41.21 | SpeedEvil | Jason1: look on GPS on the wiki |
| 01:41.29 | Jason1 | ohh, no, I cant find that binary. I am running a fresh build from mokomakefile however |
| 01:41.45 | Jason1 | should it be in /usr/bin? |
| 01:41.46 | ajmitch | Jason1: got patches yet? :) |
| 01:41.49 | SpeedEvil | Well, in that case. A) Find the binary. |
| 01:41.56 | SpeedEvil | B) Write open-source driver. |
| 01:42.06 | Jason1 | SpeedEvil: smart ass :) |
| 01:42.19 | SpeedEvil | Did you nuke the original image? |
| 01:42.24 | SpeedEvil | Might it have been there? |
| 01:42.24 | jaebird | isn't the binary only distributed with the phone |
| 01:42.30 | jaebird | that is on the wiki |
| 01:42.37 | SpeedEvil | jaebird: AIUI - yes. |
| 01:42.37 | jaebird | they don't have it avail to download |
| 01:42.50 | jaebird | i read it somewhere |
| 01:42.58 | jaebird | i think in the P1 starter page :) |
| 01:43.03 | Jason1 | damn. thats not good :) |
| 01:43.08 | jaebird | haha... |
| 01:43.10 | jaebird | :) |
| 01:43.14 | jaebird | jk |
| 01:43.18 | paulproteus | Jason1, Not to bug you too much, but would you give me a copy of the thing you just flashed it with? |
| 01:43.35 | Jason1 | well...assoon as one of my friends here on #openmoko get their new phone, I am sure one of them will send it to me . hinti, hint |
| 01:43.41 | ZerothCloned | Hmm, not as cool as what you guys do, but I wrote hello world for the openmoko phone :D |
| 01:43.48 | ZerothCloned | now to get it to run.... |
| 01:43.52 | Jason1 | paulproteus: sure. you want the kernel and the rootfs? |
| 01:44.02 | paulproteus | Jason1, Yeah, that'd be great. |
| 01:44.18 | Jason1 | paulproteus: standby. let me upload them |
| 01:44.19 | ajmitch | Jason1: sure, I'm sure I could sneak you a copy in 2-3 weeks once I have a phone... |
| 01:44.29 | jaebird | is there going to be an up-to-date build host? |
| 01:44.58 | ferric | but to get the agps to work, you have to be able to see the sky |
| 01:45.04 | writchie | SpeedEvil: BlueCore4 has out of band USB_DETACH and USB_WAKE_UP assignable to PIO pins |
| 01:45.27 | paulproteus | Jason1, Super rad, thanks. |
| 01:45.29 | SpeedEvil | writchie: I know. |
| 01:45.46 | writchie | don't know if it made it to the Chinese module |
| 01:45.51 | SpeedEvil | writchie: The fun question is - are they connected to anything. |
| 01:46.08 | SpeedEvil | Err. |
| 01:46.14 | SpeedEvil | IIRC, that's not what you want. |
| 01:46.21 | jaebird | SpeedEvil: botsnack |
| 01:46.27 | SpeedEvil | USB detach is to detach the module from the USB bus. |
| 01:46.34 | SpeedEvil | It just electrically pulls it. |
| 01:46.44 | SpeedEvil | Oh yeah |
| 01:46.53 | SpeedEvil | USB_Wake_up is it. I remember now |
| 01:46.58 | ZerothCloned | Umm, how does one bring up the shell in the qemu emulator? |
| 01:46.59 | SpeedEvil | The other way. |
| 01:47.11 | jaebird | is the USB wall charging issue a thing of the past? |
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| 01:47.32 | SpeedEvil | jaebird: in theory - for the included charger only. |
| 01:47.40 | jaebird | my E2 charges at 500ma from my wall charger right away |
| 01:47.53 | jaebird | mine puts out 550ma at 5v is that the same? |
| 01:48.03 | SpeedEvil | I intend to fix the 'wall charging issue' when mine arrives. |
| 01:48.07 | SpeedEvil | The issue is: |
| 01:48.12 | jaebird | its only 2 wire though |
| 01:48.21 | jaebird | so no hub thing |
| 01:48.24 | SpeedEvil | A USB device should only draw 100mA without authorisation. |
| 01:48.38 | SpeedEvil | A dumb device cannot provide authorisation. |
| 01:48.47 | jaebird | so how does moto do it in their linux phones? |
| 01:48.57 | SpeedEvil | So, a strict interpretation of the rules means that you can only charge at 100mA |
| 01:49.17 | ZerothCloned | How does one get a shell up on the qemu emulator of the phone? |
| 01:49.39 | SpeedEvil | A slightly looser interpretation of the rules - that assumes a device providing 5V, but not talking USB protocol is not in fact a USB host, but a charger, and to switch to 500mA after a short delay. |
| 01:49.58 | jaebird | what if it is just a pc that is locked up? |
| 01:50.07 | SpeedEvil | Well - doesn't really matter. |
| 01:50.10 | jaebird | a pc that only provides 100ma |
| 01:50.28 | SpeedEvil | In that case, the current limit in the bus will kick in, and it'll turn off again. |
| 01:50.38 | jaebird | so the USB hardware will always do _something_ if it is smart (not a charger) |
| 01:50.53 | SpeedEvil | The big problem is: |
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| 01:51.04 | SpeedEvil | Plug into a hub that is at its power limit. |
| 01:51.07 | jaebird | i thought maybe my wall charger had the data line to gnd or something |
| 01:51.24 | SpeedEvil | If you now draw 500mA, it will trip the hub off potentially. |
| 01:51.36 | SpeedEvil | This can lose data if you've got hard disks on there. |
| 01:51.47 | SpeedEvil | So you don't want to do that. |
| 01:51.54 | jaebird | so moto and other vendors are just taking the same risk here? |
| 01:52.04 | SpeedEvil | The supplied charger has reportedly a resistor to one datapin. |
| 01:52.05 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 01:52.19 | jaebird | ahh...now that makes sense |
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| 01:52.45 | SpeedEvil | Practically, you can't put devices which at least won't get damaged by non-compliant stuff out there in the market as hosts. |
| 01:52.53 | SpeedEvil | For example, I have a USB nokia charger. |
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| 01:52.57 | jaebird | so with the presence of the correct resistance, the phone will know it is plugged into a charger. |
| 01:53.05 | SpeedEvil | It consists of one 1.8 ohm resistor. |
| 01:53.07 | ZerothCloned | But realistically, everyone does, speedevil? |
| 01:53.25 | SpeedEvil | ZerothCloned: no - all the hosts are protected enough to not be damaged. |
| 01:53.26 | jaebird | i know my moto phone charges fine with a blackberry usb power charger |
| 01:53.40 | jaebird | and the 12V lighter charger too |
| 01:53.45 | jaebird | belkin brand |
| 01:54.10 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: do they use the CEA-936-A standard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CEA-936-A)? |
| 01:54.16 | jaebird | all seem to pull the 500ma (using charging time as my only measure) |
| 01:54.23 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 01:54.27 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: AFAIK, the CEA standard uses a resistor on the ID pin |
| 01:54.33 | SpeedEvil | I dunno |
| 01:54.45 | SpeedEvil | I've forgotten the value. |
| 01:54.51 | SpeedEvil | And where it goes. |
| 01:55.05 | SpeedEvil | I _think_ it was 48K from ground to D- |
| 01:56.02 | cesarb | (that CEA standard, btw, seems interesting... from what I've read when researching the internet to write the article, it can be used as a serial connection, stereo speaker, mono headset, charger, and normal USB OTG, all selected with different resistors on the ID pin) |
| 01:56.18 | bmidgley | jason1: could you tell if the mp3 playback was stereo? |
| 01:56.25 | cesarb | USB OTG gets the 0 ohm and infinite, and the rest get specific ranges of values |
| 01:57.38 | jaebird | does any of this related to: http://wiki.openezx.org/EMU |
| 01:57.56 | Jason1 | paulproteus: http://www.chooseopen.com/openmoko/build |
| 01:58.49 | Jason1 | bmidgley: I listen to the song twice, in the headphones and the external speakers and and could not detect any difference between the left and right channels. Seems like mono to me... |
| 01:59.22 | paulproteus | Jason1, Thanks! (-: |
| 01:59.38 | Jason1 | paulproteus: np |
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| 02:01.41 | cesarb | jaebird: I believe the Motorola EMU is a superset of the CEA standard |
| 02:01.59 | cesarb | jaebird: but, as I failed to find more details on the standard, I'm not sure |
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| 02:11.08 | paulproteus | Jason1, I've flashed your images (kernel and jffs2) onto my phone and am booting now.... |
| 02:11.22 | Jason1 | paulproteus: sweet |
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| 02:12.27 | paulproteus | Jason1, I still have libz.so.1 problems, it seems. |
| 02:12.34 | paulproteus | That's curious. |
| 02:12.46 | paulproteus | "file too short", I'm still told. |
| 02:13.01 | paulproteus | I'll try reflashing, I guess. |
| 02:13.17 | Jason1 | paulproteus: during the flashing process? Is the device telling you that or dfu-utils? |
| 02:13.21 | paulproteus | During boot. |
| 02:13.41 | paulproteus | The kernel loads fine; lots of programs complain about what I just said during the init process. |
| 02:13.46 | paulproteus | As a result, X doesn't load, for example. |
| 02:14.02 | Jason1 | maybe try and onler kernel with the newer rootfs? |
| 02:14.08 | bmidgley | Jason1: yesssss... I knew it. I am going to make a test mp3 that makes it obvious |
| 02:14.08 | Jason1 | onler=older |
| 02:14.20 | bmidgley | (they closed the ticket with "worksforme" status) |
| 02:14.23 | paulproteus | I'll upgrade u-boot first, I think. |
| 02:14.33 | BryceLeo_Away | bmidgley: ??? |
| 02:14.34 | Jason1 | bmidgley: I would be happy to try again with a sample track. Note, you may be able to find one online... |
| 02:14.49 | bmidgley | BryceLeo_Away: mp3 playback is mono |
| 02:14.50 | ZerothCloned | wish me luck, compiling a fresh image for the emulator... |
| 02:14.55 | Jason1 | bmidgley: I usedto have a "bass test" cd along time ago that did that... |
| 02:15.10 | bmidgley | Jason1: I surfed around and couldn't find anything |
| 02:15.16 | Jason1 | hmmm |
| 02:15.26 | bmidgley | gotta go |
| 02:15.35 | BryceLeo_Away | bmidgley|away: lol and they don't belive you? |
| 02:15.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Flashing_openmoko]] [[Main_Page]] [[Hear_Me_FIC]] [[User:Superweasel]] |
| 02:15.52 | BryceLeo_Away | bmidgley|away: is that even though the headphones?? wait.. .is there a headphone jack? |
| 02:16.10 | bmidgley|away | yes there is a 4-conductor jack for stereo+mic |
| 02:16.36 | BryceLeo_Away | bmidgley|away: any chance it's a problem with your headphone plug? |
| 02:16.49 | bmidgley|away | slight chance... |
| 02:18.34 | BryceLeo_Away | bmidgley|away: try making the mp3 to show (just audacity and say "left channel" and "right channel") and then try it yourself, then have someone with a neo try it |
| 02:20.04 | Jason1 | bmidgley|away: Here is a sample from the 80's (70's?) http://recordbrother.typepad.com/imagesilike/files/stereo_sound_spectacular_side_1.mp3 |
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| 02:21.09 | Jason1 | bmidgley|away: They arent clear as what sound be leftand right, but it is pretty obvious if the output is indeed stereo... |
| 02:21.38 | BryceLeo_Away | gah, f*ing women |
| 02:21.45 | BryceLeo_Away | i'm out again all |
| 02:21.48 | BryceLeo_Away | bye |
| 02:21.56 | Jason1 | bye |
| 02:22.22 | paulproteus | Aww, same libz.so.1 error. )-: |
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| 02:24.39 | Jason1 | paulproteus: what version device do you have? |
| 02:24.57 | paulproteus | GTA01B_V4 says the back |
| 02:25.07 | paulproteus | Date code: 20070420 ; S/N 000308 |
| 02:27.08 | Jason1 | paulproteus: Have you ever tried to flash it before? |
| 02:27.19 | paulproteus | No, this is the first time. |
| 02:27.40 | paulproteus | Just so we're all on the same page, what happens is that during the init process, many programs pritn: |
| 02:28.03 | paulproteus | "$progname: error whiel loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libz.so.1: file too short" |
| 02:28.07 | paulproteus | while, rather. |
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| 02:29.13 | ZerothCloned | strange error... |
| 02:29.29 | paulproteus | I got that both when flashing the buildhost July 4 image as well as Jason1's. |
| 02:29.39 | ZerothCloned | when I do make update all with the MokoMakefile, it tells me that my makefile is from the future, so it won't work. XD |
| 02:29.51 | Jason1 | paulproteus: What didyou try on this last run? |
| 02:30.17 | paulproteus | Jason1, I flashed it with your u-boot (which said it was from July 8 iirc), and then powered off and on and retried flashing your jffs2. |
| 02:32.35 | Jason1 | ZerothCloned: sounds like some kinda of date interntionalization issue |
| 02:32.43 | paulproteus | ldconfig also complains toward the top, "/usr/lib/libz.so.1.2.3 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start." |
| 02:32.58 | Jason1 | paulproteus: very wierd. standby. something just caught my eye |
| 02:34.20 | paulproteus | Jason1, Something perhaps related? |
| 02:35.23 | Jason1 | I wasfollowing this thread: http://lists.planet-lab.org/pipermail/users/2005-February/001121.html |
| 02:35.23 | Jason1 | It looked like it might be realted, but went nowhere... |
| 02:41.07 | ferric | paulproteus: are you testing on a real phone? |
| 02:41.38 | paulproteus | ferric, Yeah. |
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| 02:43.12 | ZerothCloned | Umm, the information on the wiki about developing and adding files to the openmoko image seems kind of incomplete. At least, it didn't work for me. |
| 02:43.28 | ferric | nhm, ok |
| 02:43.47 | paulproteus | I guess I'll retry once more sending the same rootfs that Jason1 is using.... |
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| 02:44.25 | Jason1 | paulproteus: What about mismatching kernels? Maybe go back to an old P0 kernel w/ the new rootfs? |
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| 02:44.52 | paulproteus | I think that there really must be a problem with the rootfs, since it claims to be unhappy about filesystem contents. |
| 02:45.16 | cesarb | paulproteus: try the rootfs on qemu to see what happens ;-) |
| 02:45.21 | paulproteus | I could try an old kernel I guess, but if it needs modules those obviously won't load. |
| 02:45.31 | Jason1 | paulproteus: Seems like a long short. YOu have tried builds from 2 different environments... |
| 02:45.46 | Jason1 | cesarb: thats a good idea |
| 02:46.01 | Jason1 | short=shot |
| 02:46.03 | paulproteus | Jason1, I mean a problem with the way the rootfs appears to the phone, not necessarily with the file itself. |
| 02:46.10 | paulproteus | My guess would be something wrong with the flash media on the phoen. |
| 02:46.22 | Jason1 | paulproteus: where did you get dfu-utils? |
| 02:46.28 | Jason1 | could it be defective? |
| 02:46.43 | paulproteus | Jason1, I compiled it from the svn link somewhere... |
| 02:47.05 | Jason1 | maybe try the binary on buildhost... |
| 02:47.12 | paulproteus | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Source_Code |
| 02:47.13 | Jason1 | Thats what I used |
| 02:48.02 | Jason1 | FYI, I just moved a copy over to my server... |
| 02:48.04 | paulproteus | Okay, doing that now. |
| 02:48.14 | paulproteus | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ - that dfu-util is what you used? |
| 02:48.45 | Jason1 | yep. exactly |
| 02:48.45 | Jason1 | paulproteus: areyou on an i386? |
| 02:48.58 | paulproteus | Jason1, Core 2 Duo with i386 userland and kernel |
| 02:49.09 | paulproteus | I mention it only because the chip is amd64-compatible. |
| 02:49.10 | Jason1 | me too. |
| 02:49.57 | paulproteus | Well, I'll give this one more go and then leave. (-: |
| 02:50.13 | Jason1 | good luck |
| 02:50.19 | paulproteus | Thanks! (-: |
| 02:50.28 | Jason1 | if not, the Neo makes a great paper wight |
| 02:52.32 | paulproteus | Jason1, Do me a favor: |
| 02:52.36 | paulproteus | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.36 | paulproteus | 84dded304f151d9ec92a0b9a27e521ca openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070726000624.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 02:53.42 | paulproteus | Blah, same deal. )-: |
| 02:53.49 | Jason1 | mine matches |
| 02:54.22 | Jason1 | paulproteus: That was an awful fast flash. Mine takes about 5 minutes min. |
| 02:55.00 | paulproteus | Jason1, I didn't tell you when I started. |
| 02:55.25 | Jason1 | ok. just checking |
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| 03:01.04 | sublime_ | hey jason1 ive got a question |
| 03:01.12 | Jason1 | k |
| 03:01.34 | sublime_ | when you recieved your shipping confirmation, did you recieve it during the day, or was it sent over night |
| 03:01.53 | sublime_ | im trying to figure out if theyre sending them from taiwan or from fic america |
| 03:02.01 | Jason1 | ~5:50am this morning (same day that it was delivered) |
| 03:02.08 | sublime_ | tight |
| 03:02.31 | Jason1 | that would be 3:50am California time |
| 03:02.31 | sublime_ | so it was sent from taiwan at the end of their work day |
| 03:02.40 | Jason1 | seems to be... |
| 03:03.04 | Jason1 | hopefully more will get confirmations tomorrow... |
| 03:03.23 | sublime_ | yeah i had trouble with my cc, it was declined for fraud protection |
| 03:03.31 | sublime_ | finally got charged yesterday |
| 03:03.33 | Jason1 | sublime_: mine too. |
| 03:04.17 | sublime_ | im hoping im still in on the first batch and i wont have to wait till next week |
| 03:04.35 | sublime_ | if i am in on the first batch i should get conf tonight |
| 03:04.39 | SpeedEvil | Wel. |
| 03:04.43 | Jason1 | sublime_: Did oyu order the blk/silver? |
| 03:04.46 | sublime_ | yeah |
| 03:04.54 | SpeedEvil | RT#? |
| 03:04.56 | Jason1 | cool. |
| 03:04.57 | sublime_ | 1843 |
| 03:05.08 | sublime_ | but i didnt get charged till last night |
| 03:05.21 | sublime_ | my dilemna |
| 03:05.54 | sagacis_ | My cc still hasn't been charged, but I just got my "Payment Rec'd" msg last night |
| 03:06.11 | sagacis_ | Should I be charged more than a day after? |
| 03:07.04 | sublime_ | gtg later |
| 03:07.17 | sagacis_ | Jason1: Did you get your phone? |
| 03:13.02 | arw_ | someonehas compilled pngbook, sucessfully |
| 03:13.04 | arw_ | ? |
| 03:15.21 | arw_ | is for quemu |
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| 03:15.37 | arw_ | qemu |
| 03:18.20 | writchie | SpeedEvil: BlueTooth BlueCore4 ROM chip can draw < 1 ma while in page scan |
| 03:18.39 | writchie | just need to wire it properly |
| 03:21.17 | SpeedEvil | writchie: have you worked with these - or are you going by the datasheets |
| 03:24.00 | writchie | havn't worked with this particular chip - going by datasheet & app notes. |
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| 03:25.35 | writchie | SpeedEvil: if its not wired up, may be able to hack an external module of similar type for testing |
| 03:26.47 | don-o | im at the OpenMoko BOF at OSCON |
| 03:27.02 | don-o | noone official has shown up yet |
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| 03:35.25 | mokobot | Hallelujah! |
| 03:36.12 | daMaestro | mokobot, did you get your shipment notification? |
| 03:37.14 | mwester-road | mokobot is a dysfunctional computer program. |
| 03:37.31 | Jason1 | hehehe |
| 03:37.39 | holycow | hello my moko monkeys |
| 03:37.40 | don-o | Jason1: you're a celeb here |
| 03:37.45 | don-o | Jason1: we're talking about you |
| 03:38.10 | don-o | there are 23 people at this BOF |
| 03:38.16 | Jason1 | You should see it when I try to go out in public :) |
| 03:38.37 | Jason1 | don-o: Meet anyone interesting? |
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| 03:40.53 | happycube | :) |
| 03:41.09 | happycube | how many have neos? |
| 03:41.29 | daMaestro | happycube, Jason1 ... and that is it |
| 03:41.32 | daMaestro | ;-) |
| 03:41.32 | daMaestro | lol |
| 03:41.40 | ajmitch | lucky guy |
| 03:41.52 | Jason1 | Im not at the conference, however... |
| 03:42.02 | ajmitch | so it does actually exist.. :) |
| 03:42.14 | Jason1 | ajmitch: Yep :) Sure does |
| 03:42.44 | ajmitch | what have you got working on it so far? I saw you managed to make a call manually |
| 03:45.03 | Jason1 | ajmitch: Yeah. Been making good progress. Got a call via the GUI to go through. Very finicky. The GUI likes to crash if you look at it the wrong way. Also, you have to manually adjust the volume or you get an awful feedback noise |
| 03:45.19 | Jason1 | Also, played an MP3 file. |
| 03:45.25 | Jason1 | and reflashed it twice... |
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| 03:46.12 | don-o | Jason1: cool. i just read that sentance outloud to the group |
| 03:46.18 | ajmitch | and removed the gps binary? :) |
| 03:46.32 | Jason1 | yeah. Im kicking myself for that. |
| 03:46.47 | ajmitch | ah well, others should get their phones in the next day or two, I hope |
| 03:47.08 | ajmitch | there's no sms functionality at all yet, right? |
| 03:47.34 | Jason1 | Not sure. You might be able to do it via libgsmd-tool |
| 03:48.12 | Jason1 | ajmitch: ohh yeah |
| 03:48.24 | ajmitch | like telling someone where you are, or where to go to from a map |
| 03:48.29 | happycube | i'm tempted to pick up pygtk and write a ui in that |
| 03:48.40 | happycube | and/or some means of easily writing code on the phone (usually while tethered) |
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| 03:49.15 | happycube | i *do* have a 2gb microsd i can put in... that'd fit gcc et al ;) |
| 03:49.23 | ajmitch | happycube: that's what I plan to do, hopefuly getting a decent sized microSD card for it |
| 03:49.31 | happycube | in the us they're $35 at costco |
| 03:49.54 | ajmitch | fairly cheap here, too :) |
| 03:50.26 | happycube | there's a pycairo isn't there? |
| 03:50.30 | ajmitch | yes |
| 03:50.53 | happycube | cool |
| 03:51.20 | ajmitch | I'm sure I'll be able to get emacs onto the phone, too ;) |
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| 03:54.00 | jackey | finally, I knew why my order still not arrive yet |
| 03:54.01 | happycube | :) |
| 03:54.07 | happycube | aw - why? |
| 03:54.17 | jackey | crappy shopping system did not take my YES_I_DO |
| 03:54.39 | jackey | Sean help me to find out my order, he told me that I did not confirmed my order. |
| 03:55.07 | drkludge | LOL and to think that I was suckered into the YES_I_DO thing more than 20 years ago |
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| 03:55.18 | happycube | argh |
| 03:55.36 | jackey | drkludge, what do u mean? |
| 03:55.47 | jackey | damn, i have to wait for another week |
| 03:55.53 | drkludge | I do as in getting married |
| 03:56.03 | drkludge | ;-) |
| 03:56.06 | jackey | haha, i c |
| 03:56.16 | jackey | sounds you are happy with that |
| 03:56.34 | happycube | lol |
| 03:56.38 | jackey | drkludge, it is good you only say once |
| 03:56.40 | drkludge | hey my pphones on the way |
| 03:57.09 | jackey | Sean told me they start to ship orders today. |
| 03:57.11 | drkludge | No problems with the WAF, Wife Acceptance Factor |
| 03:57.22 | jackey | but how come so many people get it before today? |
| 03:57.40 | Jason1 | jackey: I think they actually started shipping yesterday |
| 03:58.27 | jackey | Jason1, i c, sorry about my temper. |
| 03:58.28 | don-o | someone brought a P1! |
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| 03:58.36 | jackey | i am a bad guy here |
| 03:58.37 | happycube | :) |
| 03:58.48 | Jason1 | don-o: ohh cool! |
| 03:59.02 | Jason1 | jackey: hehe |
| 04:00.21 | jackey | it seems that i can not bring it with me for Linux World |
| 04:00.58 | Chairboy | RFID reader in phone, then put RFID tags in wallet, keys, etc and set up optional alarms when one of them leaves detection range. Perhaps the next version after this.... |
| 04:01.12 | don-o | Jason1: its battery is dead. oh noes. |
| 04:01.21 | don-o | Jason1: at least i got to hold it |
| 04:01.26 | Jason1 | don-o: Ohhh no!!! |
| 04:01.33 | Jason1 | don-o: What did you think? |
| 04:01.39 | Jason1 | don-o: First time seing one? |
| 04:01.51 | jackey | Lots of people have crazy ideas about the phones |
| 04:02.08 | jackey | oh man, i know why i am a bad guy here. |
| 04:02.38 | jackey | neo to be a toy or a product, which one you will choose? |
| 04:03.13 | don-o | Jason1: its slightly big/thick but still very phone-like in its feel |
| 04:03.46 | Jason1 | don-o: I thought it was thinner than the pictures portayed. I was pleasently surprised. |
| 04:04.02 | jackey | don-o, u actually glue one? or just a prototype |
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| 04:04.37 | Jason1 | jackey: don-o is at a conference. They passed one around hte room |
| 04:04.40 | don-o | jackey: a linux journalist got a phone yesterday. i assume by the timing that it is a P1 |
| 04:05.14 | jackey | P1 with RFID feature buildin? |
| 04:06.31 | jackey | time to sleep, no more openmoko and neo. Do not want to say YES_I_DO twice. |
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| 04:08.23 | happycube | sleep well |
| 04:08.35 | orospakr | Chairboy: ... |
| 04:08.37 | orospakr | Chairboy: dude. |
| 04:08.41 | orospakr | Chairboy: that is an awesome idea. |
| 04:09.15 | don-o | Jason1: what is the little IRDA window thing on the upper left side? |
| 04:09.25 | Jason1 | that is the AUX button |
| 04:09.27 | Chairboy | Someone else requested an RFID reader. That'll just have to be a software idea for a future revision that has it maybe. :D |
| 04:09.33 | don-o | Jason1: a button? oh. |
| 04:09.47 | Jason1 | yup. It has 2 buttons. POWER and AUX |
| 04:10.16 | Jason1 | don-o: Did they show the accessories too? |
| 04:11.40 | don-o | Jason1: nope just the phone |
| 04:12.00 | Jason1 | I was fairly impressed with them. The lanyard and pouch are pretty slick |
| 04:12.05 | don-o | thu journalist is from http://tvlinux.org/ |
| 04:12.17 | don-o | oh we did see the pouch |
| 04:12.21 | Jason1 | the stylus is a bit cheap feeling, but it is 4-in-1 |
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| 04:12.32 | don-o | its still charging and wont turn on at the moment :( |
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| 04:13.03 | Jason1 | don-o: I was shocked that hte device shipped w/o a rootfs. |
| 04:13.16 | Jason1 | I had to scramble to figure out how to flash it :) |
| 04:13.45 | happycube | it's a test, i think ;0 |
| 04:13.46 | happycube | ;) |
| 04:13.55 | holycow | Jason1, you mean a moko? |
| 04:14.00 | Jason1 | happycube: It definately tested me. |
| 04:14.02 | holycow | and what do you mean without a rootfs? |
| 04:14.11 | holycow | like no software on it? |
| 04:14.32 | Jason1 | holycow: Yeah. It wont boot when you get it. |
| 04:14.44 | holycow | Jason1, weird! you fixed it eh? |
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| 04:15.43 | Jason1 | holycow: yeah. you have to do this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko |
| 04:15.55 | holycow | aha |
| 04:15.56 | holycow | neato |
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| 04:16.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Vancouver]] [[Main_Page]] [[Flashing_openmoko]] |
| 04:19.16 | duffyd | roh: yt? |
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| 04:25.27 | ajmitch | hey duffyd |
| 04:25.43 | duffyd | hi ajmitch, how's tricks? |
| 04:25.49 | ajmitch | good :) |
| 04:25.50 | duffyd | what's the weather like over there at the moment? |
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| 04:26.08 | ajmitch | quite nice this week, actually |
| 04:26.58 | duffyd | ajmitch: me three |
| 04:27.21 | ajmitch | interesting to hear that Jason1 got one that was unbootable, though |
| 04:27.30 | duffyd | ajmitch: have you received a payment received confirmation mail yet? |
| 04:27.33 | duffyd | yeah true |
| 04:27.49 | ajmitch | no, but I'm not the one who put in the group order |
| 04:27.53 | hads | I'm probably too busy to play with mine yet anyway :| |
| 04:28.07 | hads | duffyd: No, he hasn't :) |
| 04:28.41 | duffyd | hads: mmm, do you mind me asking what your order number is? |
| 04:29.00 | duffyd | mine is #2018 |
| 04:29.11 | hads | #26 something |
| 04:29.16 | duffyd | k |
| 04:29.25 | hads | #2672 |
| 04:29.43 | hads | So late enough to be in the second lot I guess. |
| 04:30.23 | duffyd | true, frustrating thing is, when I look at the P1_Owners page in the wiki, all those around me have received confirmation emails :-( |
| 04:30.48 | hads | :) |
| 04:30.56 | duffyd | hads: btw where are you based? |
| 04:31.10 | hads | South Island, New Zealand. |
| 04:31.45 | duffyd | hads: cool, my stomping ground too :-) |
| 04:31.49 | duffyd | well chch to be precise |
| 04:32.03 | duffyd | currently staying in Taiwan (hooray) until beginning of September |
| 04:32.24 | hads | I'm in Timaru |
| 04:32.37 | pigpen | Must be nice. Things are really wet here in Texas at the moment. |
| 04:33.06 | duffyd | hads: come to think of it, I've already asked you this question (in the past ;-) |
| 04:33.43 | hads | I thought I had deja vu :) |
| 04:35.19 | duffyd | hads: lol |
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| 04:42.36 | hads | I've got a conference project to finish for the 15th August so I probably won't have time to play until then :( |
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| 04:43.11 | duffyd | ajmitch: I'm definitely hopeful too! |
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| 04:46.20 | ajmitch | hads: given that they'll be probably another week or so for the second batch, there probably won't be too long that it'll sit alone on your desk |
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| 04:47.44 | hads | True. There's another week on that 'cause I have to go to the conference and supervise the software make sure it doesn't explode :) |
| 04:48.07 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 04:49.16 | ajmitch | hads: as long as you remember to send a phone south :) |
| 04:51.37 | duffyd | hads: what conference? |
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| 04:56.33 | hads | ajmitch: Of course :) |
| 04:57.30 | daMaestro | oscon |
| 04:57.37 | duffyd | ahhhh |
| 04:57.39 | daMaestro | portland right? |
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| 04:57.46 | daMaestro | or is ubuntu live still going on? |
| 04:58.16 | hads | duffyd: It's some random conference in the financial sector. In Sydney. The wanted software to manage online registrations and create lanyard labels on the day etc. |
| 04:59.21 | duffyd | oh cool |
| 05:00.25 | duffyd | roh: ping |
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| 05:23.28 | sannes | Iiiik, I've been offline for 14h or so, anything happened? |
| 05:23.39 | sannes | oh, things have shipped places, interesting :) |
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| 05:26.20 | ColdFyre | i cant wait for the neo <3 |
| 05:26.26 | ColdFyre | i soo want that lanyard |
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| 05:32.05 | sannes | counter |
| 05:32.06 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-21 06:20) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 75% in a day 03:13:57 (1.135±1.1 days) (1779;251) |
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| 05:44.39 | holycow | hello my moko monkeys |
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| 06:16.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Neo1973_Power_Management]] [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973]] [[Hear_Me_FIC]] |
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| 06:27.14 | hads | What type of speeds do you get out of USB net? |
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| 06:29.40 | mmp | hads: If you're not asking specifically about neo, my ipaq gives me something around 0.5MByte/s (USB1.1) |
| 06:30.23 | hads | mmp: Thanks, that's helpful. I was thinking about the neo but it should be similar. |
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| 06:46.26 | Dmitry_Platonov | Did jason1 received his neo? |
| 06:46.50 | daMaestro | Dmitry_Platonov, yes |
| 06:48.28 | Dmitry_Platonov | How he liked it? Was it able to call? |
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| 06:49.42 | daMaestro | <ajmitch> what have you got working on it so far? I saw you managed to make a call manually |
| 06:49.51 | daMaestro | <Jason1> ajmitch: Yeah. Been making good progress. Got a call via the GUI to go through. Very finicky. The GUI likes to crash if you look at it the wrong way. Also, you have to manually adjust the volume or you get an awful feedback noise |
| 06:49.51 | daMaestro | <Jason1> Also, played an MP3 file. |
| 06:49.52 | daMaestro | <Jason1> and reflashed it twice... |
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| 06:52.24 | Dmitry_Platonov | daMaestro, thanks. Sounds good :) |
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| 07:31.18 | squalyl | Hello World\n |
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| 07:38.36 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:39.26 | Placid | morning TRIsoft, and morning from me too |
| 07:40.10 | TRIsoft | morning Placid :) |
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| 07:43.08 | FuzzyCat | that seems to be the only way to get one |
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| 07:45.52 | Placid | The worst invention in the world was the snooze button |
| 07:46.51 | blindcoder | nah |
| 07:46.55 | blindcoder | the snooze button is great! |
| 07:47.07 | blindcoder | it allows me to sleep in _and_ have a bad excuse, all at once! |
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| 07:48.28 | mokobot | Hello Master |
| 07:50.38 | Placid | blindcoder: heh |
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| 07:57.34 | josh_marshall | Has anyone received a Neo yet? (Other than the free dev handouts earlier) |
| 07:57.52 | hads | Yes, look at the wiki |
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| 07:58.35 | sannes | CM|Vacation: neither have I, but it is still early .. |
| 08:03.09 | CM|Vacation | sannes: Jason1 got his yesterday! |
| 08:03.45 | CM|Vacation | Still, I won't be back home to recieve it for another week anyway, but a tracking number would be nice :) |
| 08:05.08 | jeddy3 | CM|Vacation, indeed :) |
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| 08:05.49 | ewanm89_laptop | Jason1: needs to hand i over. |
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| 08:12.50 | Tv | gah |
| 08:13.00 | Tv | they refused my credit card :( |
| 08:13.06 | Tv | i want my neo |
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| 08:16.00 | eaglenight | hi |
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| 08:17.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[Group_Order]] [[Hear_Me_FIC]] |
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| 08:28.09 | Tv | meh i just switched from #1985 to #4474 in the order queue :( |
| 08:28.36 | hhf423 | Tv: outch! |
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| 08:30.47 | Tv | trying to rescue it... |
| 08:32.50 | sannes | CM|Vacation: seems that they are sending to US folks first .. |
| 08:36.15 | XorA | its like chucking raw flesh into a pirahna task here |
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| 08:59.23 | *** topic/#openmoko by FuzzyCat -> wiki.openmoko.org | Store: www.openmoko.com | First orders have shipped yesterday - (24/7) for US, was supposed to be 25/7 for rest of world for processed orders - failed . http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/008010.html (black/silver only, in order of RT) |
| 09:02.03 | FuzzyCat | why do people keep bringing up the fecking forums on the mailing list., there is one if you like it use it, if you don't don't .. just stop fecking going on about it |
| 09:03.30 | FuzzyCat | now some gimp is going on about newgroups... |
| 09:03.41 | sannes | Hm, someone from outside of US got a tracking number now .. hmm |
| 09:03.46 | FuzzyCat | !# |
| 09:03.50 | FuzzyCat | CM ? |
| 09:03.52 | blindcoder | well, I do support the idea that just using gmane as forum would suffice |
| 09:04.04 | blindcoder | but then, it's not my decision to make, so why flame about it? |
| 09:04.10 | sannes | CM|Vacation: got one yet? :P |
| 09:04.22 | CM|Vacation | sannes: :-P |
| 09:04.29 | CM|Vacation | I wish.. |
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| 09:04.39 | FuzzyCat | so who was it sannes |
| 09:04.40 | FuzzyCat | ? |
| 09:05.32 | sannes | FuzzyCat: #1878 Mahender Norway Requested S/B 1x Neo Advanced July 24 July 26 |
| 09:06.13 | FuzzyCat | !!1 |
| 09:06.18 | FuzzyCat | onetyone! |
| 09:06.47 | sannes | FuzzyCat: ? |
| 09:06.55 | FuzzyCat | well that's not in order is it |
| 09:07.30 | sannes | no, I also ordered an Neo Advanced to Norway aswell with a lower number |
| 09:07.35 | Kero | Norway must be more experimental than we think :) |
| 09:07.57 | Kero | express vs normal shipping ? |
| 09:08.28 | CM|Vacation | Hmm: http://www.darkroastedblend.com/2007/07/anything-for-perfect-shot.html |
| 09:08.30 | CM|Vacation | Anyone know what this is about: "Also worth mentioning, java-gnome (exciting work, and a really excellent presentation to highlight that) and OpenMoko, the latter of which I'm currently working on. Hopefully |
| 09:08.51 | CM|Vacation | they'll be some news regarding that soon." |
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| 09:15.55 | squalyl | snif... HOW can I get DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS work :( ... |
| 09:16.37 | squalyl | this is frustrating. Now I have an IPK but I cant use it ! |
| 09:20.23 | hrw | squalyl: DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS is not to tweak for users |
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| 09:35.31 | Psi_ | *topic |
| 09:36.32 | SpeedEvil | FuzzyCat: why the 'failed' in topic? |
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| 09:37.49 | Psi_ | i assume he means they weren't sent on that day |
| 09:41.05 | FuzzyCat | yes, being facecious |
| 09:41.52 | ynezz | what failed? :p |
| 09:42.51 | Psi_ | does anyone know much about 'saver' intl shipping, ive not heard of it before |
| 09:43.10 | Psi_ | any idea of time for neo->NZ using saver? |
| 09:43.16 | ynezz | look it up on ups |
| 09:43.24 | Psi_ | ah, so its a form of ups |
| 09:43.32 | ynezz | i think its 2 days to major bussiness center |
| 09:44.11 | FuzzyCat | http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/shipping/time/service/worldwide_saver.html |
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| 09:47.09 | Psi_ | FuzzyCat, thanks |
| 09:47.19 | Psi_ | looks to be ~ 3days |
| 09:47.41 | Psi_ | maybe 2 |
| 09:48.33 | hads | Psi_: Probably 3-5 |
| 09:49.03 | hads | Plus 1 or 2 for customs maybe. |
| 09:49.07 | Psi_ | yeah |
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| 09:49.59 | Psi_ | na NZ customs are far to busy looking for drugs to bother with getting tax from a neo |
| 09:50.39 | hads | Um, sure. |
| 09:50.54 | Psi_ | i was in the auckland customs center today, cracking the password on a xray machine |
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| 09:53.42 | Psi_ | was a new model they were sent with a pw that didnt work :( |
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| 09:55.57 | SpeedEvil | Psi_: did you find the DFU image on the wiki? |
| 09:56.24 | Psi_ | was i supposed to be looking for it? |
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| 09:58.41 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - attempted coming misunderstanding of X-ray-machine operating system. |
| 09:58.45 | SpeedEvil | comic |
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| 09:59.13 | Psi_ | ah |
| 10:01.33 | ewon | http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/ |
| 10:03.13 | buz | scam |
| 10:03.15 | buz | 99% sure |
| 10:03.18 | Psi_ | yeah |
| 10:03.29 | ewon | really? |
| 10:03.30 | Psi_ | was a warning on slashdot about it |
| 10:03.33 | ewon | shit... |
| 10:03.36 | Psi_ | BEWARE or something |
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| 10:03.51 | Placid | That link SFW? |
| 10:04.03 | Psi_ | yes |
| 10:04.06 | Placid | Thanks |
| 10:04.13 | Psi_ | unless you find laptops offensive |
| 10:04.41 | cjb_ie | a laptop is always better when the stripper is crying! |
| 10:05.04 | guaqua | cjb_ie: :D |
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| 10:05.26 | Placid | Psi_: haha |
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| 10:06.06 | buz | think about it, 4-6weeks is exactly how long it takes for credit card fraud claims to time out |
| 10:06.06 | buz | and also, the BOM of the laptop is higher than the selling price |
| 10:06.08 | Tyrael | Hi, news on shipping for rest of the world? |
| 10:07.13 | Psi_ | Tyrael, other than the word "failed" in the topic we dont know |
| 10:07.27 | Psi_ | and even that we dont know what it means :P |
| 10:08.16 | Placid | 'BOM'? |
| 10:08.25 | cjb_ie | bill of materials |
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| 10:10.53 | SpeedEvil | Well - are they in fact an authrised reseller - that'd be easy too find out buz |
| 10:10.53 | sannes | Psi_: It probably just failed as they didn't get it out the door before 25th of July was over .. I guess |
| 10:11.32 | Psi_ | yeah |
| 10:11.36 | Psi_ | that would be my guess too |
| 10:13.58 | Tyrael | ok |
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| 10:14.54 | XorA | a days delay in OpenMoko stuff is like a seconds delay in the normal world :-D |
| 10:15.57 | Psi_ | heh |
| 10:16.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[User:ChooseOpen]] |
| 10:17.00 | Dmitry_Platonov | at least, we know that Phase 1 neos actually exist |
| 10:17.57 | FuzzyCat | .. but do we... |
| 10:18.06 | FuzzyCat | Jason1 might be a plant |
| 10:18.20 | FuzzyCat | ;) |
| 10:18.37 | Dmitry_Platonov | actually, he is suspect. how it could be #1 in queue? 8) |
| 10:18.52 | Dmitry_Platonov | s/it/he/ |
| 10:19.12 | FuzzyCat | yeah, and he didn't provide any pictures |
| 10:19.41 | daxxar | Hm, for that medisoncelebrity.com-thing, contact: |
| 10:19.41 | daxxar | Call Center: |
| 10:19.42 | daxxar | E-mail: kc@infocare.se |
| 10:20.01 | FuzzyCat | isn't the first one to get a new bit of kit supposed to do the 'unboxing' photos |
| 10:20.04 | daxxar | InfoCare is a large, highly respected (?) tech support & service provider. |
| 10:20.53 | XorA | daxxar: email kc@ and ask them about problems with your medison and see what happes |
| 10:21.30 | guaqua | err...what is this medison? |
| 10:21.38 | guaqua | 113 euros? |
| 10:21.43 | XorA | guaqua: a really really dodgy looking 150$ laptop |
| 10:21.52 | FuzzyCat | 75gbp |
| 10:22.06 | guaqua | XorA: very much so |
| 10:22.19 | guaqua | but for that price it doesn't have to work for more than a few months anyway |
| 10:22.26 | Dmitry_Platonov | about medisoncelebrity.com: I think you will be charged for 600+$ for handling or something so. |
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| 10:22.39 | XorA | a bunch of indians in the UK as the mailing address, hmmm, not suspicious at all |
| 10:23.11 | XorA | sounds like a dodgy Tottenham Court Road job to me |
| 10:24.32 | guaqua | taxes are an addition to that |
| 10:25.10 | guaqua | "Fees taken by our authorized partner 2CO are U$6.45 + 5,5% and extra on the price. Some smaller fees might be taken by your bank and varies on what bank and card you have." |
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| 10:26.29 | guaqua | for finland that would be $150 + $6.45 euros + 5,5 * $150 + 0,22 * $150 + shipping (est. $50) |
| 10:26.45 | Stephmw | g'mornin' |
| 10:26.52 | daxxar | XorA: I just asked them if they have any knowledge of them. |
| 10:26.58 | daxxar | XorA: I used to work at InfoCare norway, ;-) |
| 10:27.20 | FuzzyCat | your maths is broken guaqua |
| 10:27.30 | daxxar | XorA: Slashdot talks about them using @hotmail.com, but that seems to be gone? |
| 10:27.52 | guaqua | FuzzyCat: where? |
| 10:27.58 | guaqua | err yes :D |
| 10:28.06 | guaqua | 0,055 * $150 |
| 10:28.50 | FuzzyCat | well, not only that.. |
| 10:28.58 | FuzzyCat | you just kept adding stuff... |
| 10:29.08 | inz | !gcalc 150$ + 6.45 EUR + 5.5% * 150$ + 22% * 150$ in euros |
| 10:29.09 | inz | (150 US$) + (6.45 Euros) + ((5.5%) * (150 US$)) + ((22%) * (150 US$)) = 144.836397 Euros |
| 10:29.27 | Dmitry_Platonov | Valdi Ivancic (valdi_ivancic@hotmail.com) |
| 10:29.39 | FuzzyCat | inz, that's wrong too. |
| 10:29.46 | FuzzyCat | 6.45 USD |
| 10:29.51 | anrp | yay.. finally got a tracking # |
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| 10:30.01 | FuzzyCat | oops |
| 10:30.06 | andred | ;) |
| 10:30.07 | inz | Fuzzy, yeah, it was just what guaque said |
| 10:30.20 | anrp | due friday D: |
| 10:30.22 | inz | guaqua, what does exactly $6.45 euros mean? |
| 10:30.31 | FuzzyCat | dollar euros :) |
| 10:30.39 | anrp | eurodollars! |
| 10:30.39 | Dmitry_Platonov | Creation Date: 11-apr-2007 |
| 10:30.44 | guaqua | blahh :D |
| 10:31.12 | XorA | poor UPS is gonna need to upgrade web servers |
| 10:31.22 | FuzzyCat | updated the wookie anrp ? |
| 10:31.29 | FuzzyCat | s/wookie/wiki/ |
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| 10:32.21 | anrp | mm not yet |
| 10:33.05 | FuzzyCat | when did you email arrive? |
| 10:33.14 | FuzzyCat | and when was it sent? |
| 10:33.18 | anrp | this morning.. |
| 10:33.26 | anrp | hm, about 30 mins ago |
| 10:33.32 | FuzzyCat | mmm... |
| 10:34.40 | Dmitry_Platonov | # Q: Can I buy your laptop in a store? |
| 10:34.40 | Dmitry_Platonov | A: At the moment you can buy our laptops only from our website. |
| 10:34.40 | Dmitry_Platonov | # Q: Can I pay the laptop without using my creditcard online? |
| 10:34.40 | Dmitry_Platonov | A: No, we do not offer any other ways of payments at the moment. |
| 10:34.51 | Dmitry_Platonov | sounds fishy |
| 10:35.07 | anrp | does |
| 10:35.10 | anrp | wot laptop? |
| 10:37.36 | FuzzyCat | http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/ |
| 10:37.41 | FuzzyCat | that one |
| 10:38.02 | koen | see http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/07/25/1519256.shtml |
| 10:38.10 | koen | "Update 2035 GMT by SM: As many readers have pointed out, the more you dig into the details of this company the more fishy it starts to seem. I would suggest any potential buyers be wary on this one." |
| 10:38.36 | koen | the domain is registered for one year only and they all use hotmail addresses |
| 10:38.43 | sandos | yey |
| 10:38.44 | sandos | <( |
| 10:38.46 | sandos | :) |
| 10:38.57 | sandos | theyve gotten alot of press in Sweden for some reason |
| 10:39.25 | guaqua | hotmail addresses are a baaad thing |
| 10:40.12 | koen | not per se, but in business uses... |
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| 10:50.27 | guaqua | clearly a scam |
| 10:51.54 | Stephmw | someone also dug deeper and the company is actually in the UK... |
| 10:52.10 | Stephmw | registered very recently, there's a bad, bad smell about it |
| 10:52.19 | Psi_ | anrp, is your neo being shiped intl? |
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| 10:55.55 | FuzzyCat | #1824 anrp USA |
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| 11:21.08 | Kero | oops |
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| 11:56.14 | bug_ | did more than one non-us customer got a tracking-number? |
| 11:58.47 | empty_mind | w))t!! people have started to receive tracking numbers |
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| 11:59.41 | XorA | empty_mind: I stole your Neo before it was shipped |
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| 12:01.15 | empty_mind | next time Sean or Herald are going to come to India we will do protests on Airport :-p |
| 12:01.28 | empty_mind | Herald Sean ; go back :-p |
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| 12:02.33 | empty_mind | w00t! |
| 12:02.35 | Dmitry_Platonov | All your neo are belong to us |
| 12:02.57 | empty_mind | SpeedEvil, that demaaands another protest |
| 12:05.58 | ewon | October promises to be a good month. Release of GTA02, and the new Battlestar Galactica series |
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| 12:06.44 | XorA | ewon: and the new neo can use bittorrent backup system to fetch new BSG and you can watch it on move |
| 12:06.55 | woglinde | hi |
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| 12:08.57 | empty_mind | XorA, thtats a good idea, neo as a bittorrent download device. while you sleep it downloads torrents over gprs |
| 12:10.05 | ewon | that could be expensive |
| 12:10.11 | ewon | gta02 could use wifi :) |
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| 12:12.15 | XorA | well gp2x can, buts its not suited for running bittorrent on |
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| 12:15.39 | mokobot | Hello Lord |
| 12:15.55 | empty_mind | XorA, you cant ply a bitorrent as it comes from web, unless bt client reassembles the blocks |
| 12:16.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Warsaw]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 12:16.58 | XorA | empty_mind: "as it comes off web" means not being able to play "640x480" at 30 fps at insane bitrates like 4k |
| 12:17.14 | XorA | empty_mind: and in widescreen and improperly encoded by XviD |
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| 12:17.30 | SpeedEvil | It can play DVD video as it streams over GPRS :) |
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| 12:17.56 | SpeedEvil | This isn't because it's got a fast CPU though :) |
| 12:18.01 | XorA | SpeedEvil: ouch |
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| 12:31.31 | mokobot | Hello Lord |
| 12:31.51 | tazz | wtf? i want a hello lord too... |
| 12:31.51 | aloril | tazz: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 12:36.18 | sannes | jaebird: outside usa? |
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| 12:37.19 | jaebird | no inside |
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| 12:40.55 | FuzzyCat | update wiki jaebird .. |
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| 12:42.15 | jaebird | yep |
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| 12:42.41 | Sup3rkiddo | just wondering, whats the highest rt# billed yet, everyone below the first 1000 have been billed? |
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| 12:44.00 | XorA | Sup3rkiddo: thats probably a bad indication as Ill bet my P0 rt# is in the same range as the shipping ones |
| 12:44.17 | XorA | Subject: Your Neo1973 has been sent [rt.internal.openmoko.org #282] |
| 12:45.25 | compbrain | I got ship notification late last night |
| 12:45.26 | Sup3rkiddo | XorA, oh, any word on the 2nd batch...i was thinking, since i have not been billed yet, maybe i ordered too late rt#3054, |
| 12:47.00 | XorA | Sup3rkiddo: no idea, when P0, initial free P1 ranges stopped and when purchased started |
| 12:47.09 | XorA | Sup3rkiddo: or even if it is the same rt system |
| 12:48.05 | Sup3rkiddo | XorA, okie dokie thanks |
| 12:49.33 | daxxar | Sup3rkiddo: I've got 2233, and I've been billed. |
| 12:49.50 | daxxar | Hm, does HTC Touch have similar specs to Neo1973? |
| 12:50.05 | Sup3rkiddo | daxxar, man, all you guys are making me jealous |
| 12:50.16 | daxxar | Sup3rkiddo: I've not been shipped yet |
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| 12:50.40 | Sup3rkiddo | daxxar, yeah but i have not even been billed yet |
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| 12:51.31 | daxxar | Aw :/ |
| 12:51.39 | daxxar | Hm |
| 12:51.46 | daxxar | I wonder what VISA I used for the billing |
| 12:52.28 | XorA | daxxar: post the number and Ill confirm for you :-D |
| 12:52.50 | daxxar | XorA: Harr harr |
| 12:52.54 | Sup3rkiddo | i am just curious how many devices were ordered and how many have been billed, not shipped...that way i can know more neos are being produced to cover the demand |
| 12:53.38 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2394 10/developers/laforge/: add my own directory |
| 12:54.01 | SpeedEvil | Best guesses are >1000 orders. |
| 12:54.09 | SpeedEvil | And <1000 made in the first batch. |
| 12:54.36 | SpeedEvil | And no news on a new batch. |
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| 12:55.32 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, so safe to assume that utmost 1000 orders have been billed |
| 12:55.47 | SpeedEvil | Well. |
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| 12:56.11 | SpeedEvil | Actual desired orders of phones, that will be shipped when they get round to it - look to be >1K |
| 12:56.34 | SpeedEvil | Based on best guesses - there has been no confirmation of this. |
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| 12:56.46 | Sup3rkiddo | thats pretty bad :(, if the neo lands up too late, am gonna be in the thick of semesters and can't hack on it |
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| 12:58.41 | mokobot | Hello Master |
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| 12:59.34 | mwester-road | I also ordered "late" (if you can call a few days, late). No billing notice yet - it would be nice to know if it's not going to be in the first batch. |
| 12:59.47 | SpeedEvil | Sup3rkiddo: have you been billed? |
| 13:00.00 | mwester-road | If I have to wait for the second, I'd prefer to wait for the next generation instead. |
| 13:00.02 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, nope not yet |
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| 13:00.22 | empty_mind | Sup3rkiddo, and you will probably never be billed |
| 13:00.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03nbd * r2395 10/developers/nbd/: add my own directory |
| 13:00.45 | kinlo | what's with the own directories? |
| 13:00.52 | SpeedEvil | What's your RT number? |
| 13:00.54 | SpeedEvil | Sup3rkiddo |
| 13:01.04 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, ours is 3054 |
| 13:01.16 | SpeedEvil | I'm wondering if it's the upcoming 'new' user interface fork. |
| 13:01.54 | SpeedEvil | That's right on the border of might be-might not be in the first batch. |
| 13:01.58 | empty_mind | SpeedEvil, we have new UI ? |
| 13:02.22 | SpeedEvil | There have been reports of a altered set of core apps coming from the core team. |
| 13:02.33 | SpeedEvil | With improved finger support, larger fonts. |
| 13:02.38 | empty_mind | hmm |
| 13:02.47 | Sup3rkiddo | SpeedEvil, ordered it on around 5 AM GMT, 11th July |
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| 13:04.44 | empty_mind | did SpeedEvil received his phone |
| 13:05.45 | SpeedEvil | I'm hopefully getting |
| 13:05.53 | SpeedEvil | one from someone who over-ordered in the UK |
| 13:10.16 | Dmitry_Platonov | FIC will not ship into Russia :( not good. |
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| 13:10.47 | mjr | that's because the russian customs would hijack your device |
| 13:11.10 | SpeedEvil | Have you tried the various shipping options? |
| 13:11.20 | SpeedEvil | Some of them may have different allowed countries. |
| 13:11.37 | SpeedEvil | Have you already ordered, or are you trying? |
| 13:12.19 | FuzzyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.19 | FuzzyCat | Not yet shipped there -Liane |
| 13:12.19 | FuzzyCat | It was told that Customs never passed electronic devices (like Nokia N770) that arent certified by Rostest. So it seems we're unable to get openmokos directly here. |
| 13:12.28 | Dmitry_Platonov | Any RF device shold be certified to be sold here. |
| 13:12.54 | FuzzyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shipping_Notes#Russian_Federation |
| 13:13.04 | SpeedEvil | That page is _very_ out-of-date though. |
| 13:13.19 | SpeedEvil | It may not be impossible that it's got that certification. |
| 13:13.26 | SpeedEvil | Depends if it's one FIC usually does. |
| 13:15.05 | Dmitry_Platonov | why bother with P1 certification? P2 will need new one anyway |
| 13:15.06 | hhf423_ | gaaaawd! |
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| 13:15.53 | hhf423_ | this is torture! |
| 13:16.22 | hhf423_ | neo1973 is FCC and CE certified, its in the FAQ |
| 13:17.00 | SpeedEvil | FCC+CE != Rostest |
| 13:17.20 | hhf423_ | sure, so if it then can not be imported, you need to get it elsewhere and take it home |
| 13:17.51 | hhf423_ | nobody questioned my mobile when I went to moskau a year ago |
| 13:18.31 | hhf423_ | err moscow |
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| 13:19.04 | ewanm89mob | surely the phone has to pass through customs on its way to the certification authority. |
| 13:20.17 | hhf423_ | has rostest a website where the list which devices have been tested? |
| 13:20.47 | squalyl | what is that? (french news) http://www.generation-nt.com/gupp-phreedom-smartphone-linux-gsm-wifi-actualite-22433.html "Phreedom" linux phone with voip-gsm handover ! |
| 13:21.01 | hhf423_ | also, I believe that customs is very likely to make the connection Nokia -> Mobile Phone, than OpenMoko -> Mobile Phone |
| 13:21.13 | hhf423_ | maybe it can just be declared a pda :-) |
| 13:22.00 | mjr | hhf423_, yeah, if you carry your phone into Russia, they don't bother you with the rostest |
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| 13:22.12 | hhf423_ | squalyl: does not say VOIP Gateway, says VOIP client |
| 13:23.33 | FuzzyCat | "n appel commencé en VoIP peut basculer de façon transparente vers le réseau cellulaire ( handover ) ou passer d'un point d'accès à un autre sans manipulations de la part de l'utilisateur. |
| 13:23.33 | FuzzyCat | " |
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| 13:25.06 | mokobot | Hello Master |
| 13:25.07 | FuzzyCat | "A call started in VoIP can rock in a transparent way towards the cellular network ( handover ) or pass from an access point to another without handling on behalf of the user." |
| 13:25.19 | Dmitry_Platonov | hhf423_, do not think this list is public. Or at least, free. |
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| 13:27.26 | hhf423_ | Dmitry_Platonov: should the public not be informed which devices have been tested? |
| 13:27.51 | Dmitry_Platonov | each approved device has sticker on it |
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| 13:38.49 | Kheldar | hello people |
| 13:39.10 | Kheldar | does anybody here know Intermec 's CN3 |
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| 13:40.10 | Kheldar | and if it is not *stupid* to try running openmoko (eventually, slightly modified to fit it) on that platform? |
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| 13:47.29 | hrw | Kheldar: as long as it run linux it wil be possible |
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| 13:52.55 | mokobot | Please don't let this man torture me. |
| 13:53.52 | Kheldar | does openmoko run/compile on non-ARM processors? |
| 13:53.58 | dtx | I need a free Neo over here. |
| 13:54.09 | dtx | I'm sure it would |
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| 13:54.34 | dtx | Actually, I think there is a thing on the wiki about how you can compile it for x86 if you want |
| 13:55.43 | Kheldar | ok |
| 13:56.21 | dtx | It is just a variant of Linux after all |
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| 14:06.05 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 14:07.18 | FuzzyCat | MACHINE="x86" |
| 14:09.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 661 has been created by thebohemian(AT)gmx.net |
| 14:09.02 | cdbot2 | * * sfj2410 uses arch dependend header sys/io.h |
| 14:09.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=661 |
| 14:09.53 | dtx | howdy |
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| 14:16.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[GTA01_gsm_modem]] [[Battery_Monitor]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Backup]] [[Wishlist:Ambient_Noise_Detection]] [[Advanced_End-user/it]] [[Advanced_End-user/bg]] [[Action_Button]] [[Wishlist:3D_Viewport]] [[Accelerometer_Fundamentals]] [[Wishlist:Dynamic_Screen_Orientation]] and other changes |
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| 14:19.51 | dtx | So who has their Neo? |
| 14:20.50 | dtx | So who doesn't have their Neo and that is why they are here? |
| 14:20.51 | Stephmw | whoever is listed on the P!_OWners page I assume.. |
| 14:20.59 | dtx | ~P1 |
| 14:21.00 | mokobot | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 14:21.01 | hrw | dtx: I have two |
| 14:21.11 | XorA | I have 4 |
| 14:21.23 | CoreDump|home | XorA: =D |
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| 14:22.21 | dtx | XorA: Are you one of the primary people pushing OpenMoko/Neo |
| 14:22.53 | dtx | hrw: I'm assuming you are a member of some open source project so you got the early freebie? |
| 14:23.05 | SpeedEvil | Very few got freebies. |
| 14:23.10 | SpeedEvil | About 50 globally. |
| 14:23.17 | hrw | dtx: I am one of core members of openembedded |
| 14:23.18 | dtx | I was just guessing from the 2 answer |
| 14:23.24 | SpeedEvil | Around 5 are regular contributors here |
| 14:23.27 | XorA | dtx: one of the chips was supplied by my employers |
| 14:23.35 | SpeedEvil | Other thn the core teams. |
| 14:23.44 | SpeedEvil | XorA: Err - wolfson? |
| 14:23.54 | mintee | James, |
| 14:23.54 | mintee | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.54 | mintee | Your order looks fine, we just haven`t gotten to it yet. |
| 14:23.54 | mintee | It will be sent in the second batch next week. |
| 14:23.54 | XorA | SpeedEvil: yes |
| 14:23.55 | mintee | Regards, |
| 14:23.57 | mintee | Will |
| 14:23.59 | mintee | fyi |
| 14:24.25 | ScaredyCat | 'next week' ROFLMAO |
| 14:24.40 | dtx | hrw: Thank you for OpenEmbedded it has come in very handy for me. |
| 14:25.03 | dtx | XorA: which chip? |
| 14:25.13 | SpeedEvil | The audio codec chip. |
| 14:25.14 | XorA | dtx: wm8753 |
| 14:25.20 | dtx | oh |
| 14:25.25 | SpeedEvil | basically it does all the mixer stuff. |
| 14:25.26 | dtx | hence the Err - wolfson? |
| 14:25.37 | SpeedEvil | and speaker output, ... |
| 14:25.45 | dtx | yea |
| 14:25.59 | XorA | speaker out is done by a NatSemi lm4857 |
| 14:26.12 | dtx | Its got the DAC |
| 14:26.30 | dtx | I just assumed all audio functions where one chip? |
| 14:26.49 | daMaestro | well, i got my shipment notification |
| 14:26.49 | dtx | Digital mixing, then DAC |
| 14:27.08 | dtx | But obviously I'm not a hardware guy so much |
| 14:27.44 | daMaestro | that says "We're (UPS) sorry, we screwed up. We mis routed your package. You might see it tomorrow." |
| 14:28.09 | K4rP4D | the neo got a 3.5 mm headphone out? |
| 14:28.20 | XorA | no |
| 14:28.28 | K4rP4D | 2.5..? |
| 14:28.34 | XorA | yes |
| 14:28.37 | K4rP4D | :\ |
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| 14:30.34 | dtx | Can I use any old pair of headphones with a 2.5? |
| 14:31.23 | guaqua | depends on the jack |
| 14:31.26 | exactt | how can i set the date/time graphically? the time on top of the screen seems not to be clickable... |
| 14:31.51 | XorA | dtx: you will need a 4pole 2.5 to 3 pole 3.5 adapter |
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| 14:32.29 | dtx | Is the 4 pole so it can have a mic component also? |
| 14:32.38 | XorA | dtx: yes |
| 14:32.43 | dtx | Cool |
| 14:32.49 | dtx | I can live with that |
| 14:32.51 | XorA | dtx: mic/button click for answer |
| 14:33.07 | dtx | huh? |
| 14:33.18 | XorA | there is an answer call button on headset |
| 14:33.25 | dtx | oh I see |
| 14:33.35 | XorA | it works I beleive by shorting mic to ground |
| 14:33.47 | dtx | Thats what I would figure |
| 14:33.50 | duffyd | roh: yt? |
| 14:33.52 | ewanm89mob | exactl: conf file |
| 14:34.39 | dtx | Do bluetooth headsets all work with the same driver? |
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| 14:34.46 | dtx | Like is there a bluetooth headset standard? |
| 14:34.52 | exactt | ewanm89mob: so graphically setting date/time is not yet implemented? |
| 14:34.56 | XorA | dtx: yes its a standard |
| 14:35.02 | ewanm89mob | s/l/t/ |
| 14:35.27 | dtx | great |
| 14:35.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2396 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.22.x/patches/gta01-power_control.patch: |
| 14:35.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Pull change r2388 (by roh) from trunk. |
| 14:35.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: this should fix a missing sysfs entry when using gllin on _old_ (pre gta01bv3) devices |
| 14:35.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: thanks henryk |
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| 14:36.24 | ewanm89mob | exactt: not that I know of. |
| 14:36.31 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2397 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.22.x/patches/: |
| 14:36.31 | CIA-24 | openmoko: r2392@polaris (orig r2388): roh | 2007-07-25 08:20:03 +0200 |
| 14:36.31 | CIA-24 | openmoko: this should fix a missing sysfs entry when using gllin on _old_ (pre gta01bv3) devices |
| 14:36.31 | CIA-24 | openmoko: thanks henryk |
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| 14:37.26 | duffyd | roh: ping |
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| 14:38.09 | duffyd | hi, can anyone plz put me out of my misery and let me know if my order is still in the issue collector at openmoko? |
| 14:38.25 | exactt | ewanm89mob: does it make any sense to put this some todo list? |
| 14:38.36 | duffyd | order number is #2018 - just starting to think it no longer exists as all the people in the orders around me seem to have received payment confirmations :-( |
| 14:38.46 | ynezz | d'oh |
| 14:39.02 | ewanm89mob | mokobot: lastseen roh |
| 14:39.52 | guaqua | exactt: at least put it into the wiki |
| 14:39.53 | ewanm89mob | exactt: possibly |
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| 14:40.50 | Kensan | ser/bg]] [[Action_Button]] [[Wishlist:3D_Viewport]] [[Accelerometer_Fundamentals]] [[Wishlist:Dynamic_Screen_Orientation]] and other changes |
| 14:40.50 | Kensan | * loufoque has joined #openmoko |
| 14:40.50 | Kensan | * orospakr has joined #openmoko |
| 14:40.51 | Kensan | <dtx> So who has their Neo? |
| 14:40.51 | Kensan | <dtx> So who doesn't have their Neo and that is why they are here? |
| 14:41.26 | duffyd | mokobot: seen roh |
| 14:41.26 | mokobot | roh is currently on #openmoko (1d 20h 25m 10s). Has said a total of 18 messages. Is idling for 20h 46m 45s, last said: 'hopefully there will be a lot of hands on hacking and not too much would be could be discussions.. but well manage and it will be very relaxing'. |
| 14:41.58 | ynezz | mokobot: /quit |
| 14:42.06 | ynezz | hm, don't work |
| 14:42.12 | ozarka | ynezz: nice try |
| 14:42.49 | ozarka | I wonder how many of the 364 people in this room are bots. |
| 14:42.54 | ozarka | Can mokobot tell me that? |
| 14:43.39 | squalyl | I recently remarked the huge number of nicknames on this channel :) this is weird |
| 14:43.49 | squalyl | maybe they're all developers :) |
| 14:44.21 | exactt | guaqua: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List#Misc_Software or do you a better place(something like a todo list? |
| 14:45.12 | SpeedEvil | Is there an {{outdated}} tag for the wiki? |
| 14:45.35 | SpeedEvil | Or ratehr - where is a list of tags |
| 14:45.41 | dtx | ~reverse .toB a ma I |
| 14:45.42 | SpeedEvil | And is tag the appropriate term |
| 14:45.43 | mokobot | I am a Bot. |
| 14:45.54 | dtx | still at least 2 |
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| 14:45.55 | mokobot | Hello Master |
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| 14:47.37 | ewanm89mob | ozarka: I believe 4 and a scripted irssi. |
| 14:48.18 | XorA | ~zap mokobot |
| 14:48.19 | apt | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives mokobot a good jolt. |
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| 14:51.04 | koen | mickeyl: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/GeoClue is working quite nice nowadays |
| 14:51.41 | ewon | mate of mine got his brother with a cattle prod; the brother shat himself. |
| 14:51.50 | XorA | ewwww |
| 14:51.50 | ewon | properly shat himself. |
| 14:51.57 | cjb | lovely. |
| 14:52.13 | ewon | yeah, his bro hasn't really forgiven him for that one yet. |
| 14:52.28 | ewon | the joys of growing up in rural areas. |
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| 14:52.57 | ewanm89mob | lol |
| 14:54.49 | dneary | mickeyl: Hi there - about? |
| 14:55.06 | dneary | What's the SIP stack in the initial openmoko (if there is one)? |
| 14:55.45 | koen | dneary: congrats, btw |
| 14:55.56 | dneary | koen: Thanks :) |
| 14:56.09 | dneary | koen: Telepathy isn't a SIP stack, it's just a set of interfaces |
| 14:56.23 | dneary | You need a SIP stack that implements the various Telepathy interfaces |
| 14:56.24 | koen | right |
| 14:56.35 | dneary | I know that Sofia has already |
| 14:56.36 | robster | dneary: yos, you were missed. |
| 14:56.49 | dneary | robster: At GUADEC, you mean? |
| 14:56.54 | dneary | robster: Thanks :) |
| 14:56.54 | robster | (at GUADEC) |
| 14:58.11 | dneary | But you know, I think a WengoPhone on the phone would be a good match |
| 14:58.22 | dneary | Hardly surprising coming from me :) |
| 14:58.47 | dneary | Certainly had more field usage than any Telepathy softphones |
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| 14:59.48 | robster | dneary: your trac is broken. |
| 15:00.00 | dneary | broken how? |
| 15:00.02 | robster | dneary: http://dev.openwengo.com/trac/openwengo/trac.cgi/browser/wengophone-ng/branches/2.1 |
| 15:00.03 | dneary | Offline, or slow? |
| 15:00.12 | robster | dneary: which is the link on the frontpage of the site. |
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| 15:00.23 | squalyl | bye all |
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| 15:00.31 | dneary | http://dev.openwengo.com/trac/openwengo/trac.cgi/browser/wengophone-ng/branches/wengophone-2.1 |
| 15:01.18 | dneary | robster: Which URL for the front page? |
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| 15:01.44 | robster | dneary: "Source browser" from Quick Links |
| 15:02.14 | dneary | ok www.openwengo.org or dev.openwengo.org? |
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| 15:02.31 | dneary | gah |
| 15:02.39 | dneary | I don't have access to www.openwengo.org |
| 15:02.47 | dneary | Constant source of pain in the arsedness |
| 15:03.01 | dneary | I plan to overhawl it and replace it with a drupal in September |
| 15:03.46 | duffyd | dneary: replace it with a Plone instance! |
| 15:03.49 | duffyd | ;-) |
| 15:03.53 | robster | dneary: hahaha, you must be kidding right? |
| 15:04.47 | dneary | robster: Kidding about not having access? |
| 15:04.48 | dneary | No |
| 15:05.16 | dneary | The company is big enough to be compartmentalised - we have sysadmins who take care of infrastructure, and a web team which takes care of web content |
| 15:05.32 | dneary | And having time from someone in the web team is painful |
| 15:07.11 | robster | dneary: no about using Drupal. |
| 15:07.44 | duffyd | robster: ;-) |
| 15:08.27 | dneary | ah |
| 15:08.30 | dneary | No, not at all |
| 15:08.32 | dneary | Why? |
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| 15:09.47 | duffyd | dneary: btw do you know if there is a ubuntu binary? |
| 15:09.57 | duffyd | of wengo that is |
| 15:10.31 | dneary | duffyd: There's a link on the front page of the wiki: dev.openwengo.org |
| 15:10.39 | dneary | By Ludovico Cavedon |
| 15:10.44 | duffyd | ta |
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| 15:19.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 662 has been created by thebohemian(AT)gmx.net |
| 15:19.02 | cdbot2 | * * openocd FTBF on big endian machines |
| 15:19.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=662 |
| 15:20.14 | happycube | i have my tracking #! |
| 15:20.29 | empty_mind | happycube, you are really a happycube |
| 15:20.31 | XorA | happycube: congrats :-D |
| 15:20.34 | happycube | ... although ups might be taking 2 days to get it here. argh |
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| 15:20.46 | happycube | even though it's 2-day air within california... eee |
| 15:20.58 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2398 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.22.x/patches/ (22 files): Port patches to 2.6.22.1 |
| 15:21.04 | happycube | i think there are some presorting tricks that companies can do |
| 15:21.58 | happycube | :P |
| 15:22.00 | happycube | :) |
| 15:22.02 | happycube | and thanks |
| 15:22.18 | empty_mind | what 2 day air |
| 15:23.06 | empty_mind | happycube, maybe they will send it via newyork |
| 15:23.24 | Sup3rkiddo | empty_mind, and here we are without even getting billed |
| 15:24.08 | empty_mind | Sup3rkiddo, no probs. Next time Herald or Sean come to India we will protest on the airport |
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| 15:24.19 | Sup3rkiddo | empty_mind, yay |
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| 15:24.55 | empty_mind | Sup3rkiddo, we will bring those rented labour union guys to shout with us :-p |
| 15:25.03 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
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| 15:33.28 | duffyd | roh: ping |
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| 15:36.59 | rtp | stefan_schmidt: hi. Thanks a lot for pinging Harald :) |
| 15:37.16 | duffyd | stefan_schmidt: ping |
| 15:37.38 | duffyd | sorry about the pinging (need help!) |
| 15:38.16 | stefan_schmidt | rtp: NO problem. |
| 15:38.42 | stefan_schmidt | duffyd: What's up? |
| 15:38.50 | Shoragan | mickeyl, bitbake doesn't realize there can be two different directories called 'pachtes' in svn, so it doesn't download the one from branches because it has the current one from trunk |
| 15:39.01 | duffyd | stefan_schmidt: hi, just wondering if you can help me confirm if my order is still valid (#2018)? |
| 15:39.19 | duffyd | as all the orders around me (on P1_Owners page) have received payment confirmations - not me :-( |
| 15:39.23 | stefan_schmidt | duffyd: Sorry, I'm a developer. No rt access. :( |
| 15:39.31 | duffyd | stefan_schmidt: ok, np |
| 15:39.33 | stefan_schmidt | duffyd: Wait until roh is awake again |
| 15:39.45 | duffyd | stefan_schmidt: ok :-) do you know when he is usually online? |
| 15:40.13 | stefan_schmidt | duffyd: No, he has his own timezone |
| 15:40.20 | duffyd | stefan_schmidt: lol, k thanks |
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| 15:40.23 | mokobot | Hello Master |
| 15:40.24 | CoreDump|home | !see roh |
| 15:40.28 | CoreDump|home | !seen roh |
| 15:40.31 | cdbot2 | CoreDump|home, roh is right here! |
| 15:40.34 | alphaone | Timezone ROH+0 :-) |
| 15:40.45 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: seen roh |
| 15:40.45 | mokobot | roh is currently on #openmoko (1d 21h 24m 29s). Has said a total of 18 messages. Is idling for 21h 46m 4s, last said: 'hopefully there will be a lot of hands on hacking and not too much would be could be discussions.. but well manage and it will be very relaxing'. |
| 15:41.47 | duffyd | ewanm89_laptop: thanks - checked that already :-) |
| 15:42.05 | ewanm89_laptop | Gives al |
| 15:42.21 | ewanm89_laptop | a/al/a lot more information/ |
| 15:42.45 | duffyd | alphaone: :-) |
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| 15:48.11 | bhima | Good morning. |
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| 15:50.17 | jpcass | hi stefan - im trying to understand the video driver code, maybe you can help me - where is the code that changes the video mode of the LCM (I heard it can run in 240x320 mode...) |
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| 15:56.25 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: Moment, just in a discussion. Give me some minutes |
| 15:56.38 | jpcass | thanks stefan... |
| 15:58.18 | mickeyl | Shoragan: oh, that's unfortunate. could you please a) check whether this is still a problem in bitbake 1.8.6 and b) add a bug entry against bitbake? |
| 15:59.12 | Shoragan | there seems to be a localpath option for the svn fetches |
| 15:59.34 | mickeyl | ah, i'm not familiar w/ recent bitbake fetchers |
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| 16:01.20 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: Back now |
| 16:01.33 | Elrond | Hi stefan_schmidt and mickeyl :) |
| 16:01.38 | stefan_schmidt | hi ElBenevolente |
| 16:01.43 | stefan_schmidt | urgs |
| 16:01.46 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: hi |
| 16:02.03 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: This is done in the SPI driver for LCM init. Let me search |
| 16:02.06 | jpcass | great - I'm a bit confused about the video driver, it seems to be split into several components... |
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| 16:03.05 | Elrond | mickeyl - BTW: Why is the new UI not commited incrementally to SVN? |
| 16:03.08 | jpcass | is that the drivers/spi/jbt6k74.c |
| 16:03.21 | Elrond | jpcass - Yeah, looks like spi for the LCM. |
| 16:03.22 | rtp | jpcass: you have 2 drivers for the video : 1 for the lcd controller (jbt6k74) and 1 for the framebuffer (s3c2410fb). |
| 16:03.26 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: Yes, its init of the LCM itself and the framebuffer for drawing |
| 16:03.33 | stefan_schmidt | rtp: heh |
| 16:03.39 | rtp | jpcass: and about about qvga it's not supported atm |
| 16:03.40 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-jbt6k74.patch |
| 16:03.54 | jpcass | aha 320x240 is not in there yet... |
| 16:03.57 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: That one is for SPI init |
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| 16:04.27 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: I started the QVGA init, but run into problems with iut and had no time to debug and finish it. :( |
| 16:04.41 | jpcass | ok i see.. |
| 16:04.57 | rtp | stefan_schmidt: well, with the jbt6k74 datasheet it would be easier to do :) |
| 16:05.02 | stefan_schmidt | jaebird: http://people.openmoko.org/stefan/patches/LCM-QVGA/ |
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| 16:05.05 | Elrond | Wouldn't one need some specs for the LCM to finish the QVGA thing? |
| 16:05.07 | stefan_schmidt | rtp: *sigh* |
| 16:05.14 | jpcass | so s3c2410fb is the framebuffer and creates /dev/fb0 right? |
| 16:05.19 | stefan_schmidt | rtp: sorry |
| 16:05.19 | rtp | jpcass: yeah |
| 16:05.34 | jpcass | does jbt6k74 create a device? |
| 16:05.39 | rtp | jpcass: no |
| 16:05.45 | Elrond | jpcass - Right, the framebuffer is in the cpu. |
| 16:05.53 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: hmm, not really the above patches to exactly what the, really small, data sheet suggests. |
| 16:06.18 | jpcass | so there is an interface/interaction between s3c2410 and jbt6k74 to enable e.g. fbset? |
| 16:06.36 | stefan_schmidt | It's more about interaction with s3c2410fb I think, but like to be proven wrong |
| 16:06.38 | Elrond | jpcass - What part of fbset? |
| 16:06.39 | jpcass | fbset will act on /dev/fb0 ... must get command to jbt somehow? |
| 16:07.21 | rtp | stefan_schmidt: iirc we already talked about that interaction looong time ago :) |
| 16:07.28 | jpcass | sorry, i dont really understand this fully but I thought you could change video mode with an ioctl on /dev/fb0 and thats what fbset did? |
| 16:07.40 | stefan_schmidt | Besides two or three diagrams all of the data sheet is already in the driver. Mostly tables with init sequenzes. |
| 16:08.03 | stefan_schmidt | rtp: Yeah, I know and I feel guilty not complete debugged this. :( |
| 16:08.08 | Elrond | jpcass - Ahh. For video mode changes, you need to reconfigute the LCM via spi _and_ change the in-cpu framebuffer. |
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| 16:08.47 | rtp | jpcass: yeah, there's an ioctl for this but the fb driver needs to talk to the spi chips and this is not implemented. Only a matter of having the hardware/time/infos to implement that |
| 16:09.20 | jpcass | ok so ultimately there will be code in s3c2410fb to act on an ioctl requesting mode change which will call some function in jbt6k73 driver... |
| 16:09.28 | Elrond | rtp - Well, IF the spi part is done (by stefan), the rest should just be putting the pieces together. |
| 16:09.35 | rtp | stefan_schmidt: no, you should not feel guilty. I bet you have worked on a lot of other interesting this on the neo :) |
| 16:09.45 | rtp | s/this/things/ |
| 16:09.48 | Elrond | jpcass - Exactly. |
| 16:10.27 | jpcass | thanks guys, think i understand this better now... |
| 16:10.32 | stefan_schmidt | rtp: Yes, but I hate unfinished work. It'S still on my todo. :) |
| 16:10.39 | jpcass | thought someone had been playing with video on 240x320? |
| 16:10.59 | stefan_schmidt | In the end a fbset call should do all the magic from userspace |
| 16:11.08 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Product naming / wiki page naming / restructuring |
| 16:11.18 | rtp | stefan_schmidt: on mine too. iirc smdk2440 has also a spi lcd controller so there are other hardware needing that kind of stuff |
| 16:11.31 | stefan_schmidt | jpcass: It was the plan to have qvga fullscreen for better performance. (And scummvm of course) |
| 16:11.41 | stefan_schmidt | rtp: Cool |
| 16:12.12 | rtp | stefan_schmidt: well, I don't habe a smdk2440 :( |
| 16:12.15 | jpcass | sounds about right...320x240 will be fine for video I think... |
| 16:12.19 | stefan_schmidt | rtp: My university semester is over right now. Next month should fulltime for OM. Perhaps I can free a day for this. We will see. |
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| 16:12.39 | rtp | stefan_schmidt: ok :) |
| 16:13.00 | stefan_schmidt | rtp: oh :( I also have no devel boards, just neos |
| 16:13.31 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - "neo_s_"? How many do you have? ;o) |
| 16:13.49 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Yours and mine. ;) |
| 16:13.52 | rtp | stefan_schmidt: fyi, I only have my h1940 and my neos as dev boards |
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| 16:13.59 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - :-) |
| 16:14.34 | Elrond | But neo is a nice devel board, yes. |
| 16:16.22 | rtp | Elrond: yeah :) |
| 16:17.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[Category:InProgress]] [[Neo1973_Power_Management]] [[Wishlist:ExpansionSpacer]] [[Wishlist:Location_based_reminders]] [[Category:Progress_unknown]] [[Action_Button]] [[Date_%26_Time_Field]] [[Template:ProgressUnknown]] and other changes |
| 16:18.18 | ScaredyCat | did someone just get their advanced, only to find bits missing? |
| 16:26.20 | Elrond | ScaredyCat - What's missing? |
| 16:26.41 | ScaredyCat | batteries and 'usD cards' |
| 16:26.54 | Shoragan | mickeyl, how long until we switch to oe.dev? |
| 16:27.07 | Elrond | (huh, anyway, I need to run, catch some recreation, really) |
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| 16:27.31 | ScaredyCat | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/008248.html |
| 16:28.04 | Kero | myeah... |
| 16:28.20 | Kero | don't care about uSD (can buy myself) |
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| 16:28.39 | Kero | battery would be nice (there's some Nokia battery that fits, iirc ?) |
| 16:29.45 | ScaredyCat | if you've paid $450 you should be able to expect to get everyhing tbh |
| 16:30.03 | ScaredyCat | maybe the guy hasn't found the 2nd layer of the box ? |
| 16:30.58 | rm | good luck |
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| 16:38.11 | freelock | Sweet, my Neo just arrived! |
| 16:38.12 | andy_ | anyone got a neo yet? |
| 16:38.26 | andy_ | how easy is it to use |
| 16:38.52 | Stephmw | freelock: add yourself to the P1_Owners page then :) |
| 16:39.04 | ScaredyCat | wiki update freelock? |
| 16:39.16 | freelock | Doing it now... |
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| 16:42.15 | andy_ | anyone else got a neo? |
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| 16:43.26 | stefan_schmidt | andy_: It has only a bootloader. Not at all easy to use. It's a developer preview |
| 16:44.18 | Shoragan | rwhitby, are you there? |
| 16:46.08 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: info on the SMedia 3362 |
| 16:46.31 | Shoragan | mickeyl, i've backported the patch from bitbake svn-trunk |
| 16:47.28 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: TV-Out for Neo1973 |
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| 16:52.06 | vallor | has anyone got the neo1973 qemu emulator to support sound when running on a x86_64 Linux host? |
| 16:53.01 | ewanm89_laptop | vallor: No, sorry. |
| 16:53.11 | ewanm89_laptop | I haven't noticed any sound. |
| 16:53.18 | vallor | dang |
| 16:53.46 | happycube | "We're intending to have something like RGB or even DVI-out for the |
| 16:53.46 | happycube | really high end models late 2008. |
| 16:53.49 | happycube | ^ wow |
| 16:54.15 | ScaredyCat | s/2008/2080/ |
| 16:54.28 | happycube | lol |
| 16:54.50 | duffyd | happycube: do you have access to rt? |
| 16:54.55 | happycube | rt? |
| 16:55.09 | duffyd | the order db |
| 16:55.14 | happycube | not at all |
| 16:55.27 | duffyd | ok, np. Thanks |
| 16:55.28 | happycube | i'm just reading what harald posted ;) |
| 16:55.34 | duffyd | ahhh |
| 16:55.42 | noidd | hmm, bots no longer post wiki updates |
| 16:55.42 | noidd | ? |
| 16:55.50 | happycube | i saw some a bit ago |
| 16:55.53 | happycube | i think they're batched |
| 16:55.58 | duffyd | yes, they did |
| 16:56.42 | noidd | k |
| 16:56.48 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Why Glamo3362 and not better Glamo3365 ? and 3 other mails |
| 16:57.45 | happycube | you can always check 'recent changes' on the wiki |
| 16:58.36 | ScaredyCat | wtf is openmoko-neo1973 |
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| 16:58.47 | happycube | neo1973-hardware |
| 16:58.53 | ScaredyCat | not a mailing list |
| 16:59.07 | ScaredyCat | happycube: yeah I know *that* |
| 16:59.42 | happycube | i dunno |
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| 17:05.14 | freelock | Okay, having a bit of trouble with dfu-util |
| 17:05.29 | freelock | "More than one DFU capable USB device found, you might try `--list' and then disconnect all but one device" |
| 17:05.46 | freelock | Sure enough, it lists two, but I don't have anything else plugged in... |
| 17:05.58 | ckuethe | some onboard device? |
| 17:06.08 | freelock | I'm wondering if it's the fingerprint reader, or something else built in |
| 17:06.28 | freelock | I tried adding -i 2 (which appeared in the list with openmoko plugged in) but no love |
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| 17:07.03 | ckuethe | does dfu-util give you the usb id of the DFU capable devices? |
| 17:07.08 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Bluetooth to 2410 Wiring |
| 17:07.15 | noidd | I have an electronic pen (handwriting recognition) and it appeared as a DFU capable device. |
| 17:07.30 | ckuethe | how does that compare with lsusb/usbdevs/usbctl/etc... output |
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| 17:08.01 | vallor | ''aloril (script) openmoko-neo1973: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Bluetooth to 2410 Wiring'' <--- sorry to ask, but what is the url to that wiki? doesn't seem to showup on wiki.openmoko.org ... |
| 17:08.20 | noidd | Vallor: it isn't on the wiki - sec we'll link |
| 17:08.30 | ckuethe | vallor: that's probably a mailing list post |
| 17:08.33 | noidd | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/neo1973-hardware/ |
| 17:08.33 | vallor | oh! |
| 17:08.41 | vallor | thank you, sirs! |
| 17:08.43 | freelock | Okay, looks like the other is my wireless card... lemme try passing that usbid |
| 17:10.01 | freelock | Great! That's working! |
| 17:11.35 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2399 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/ (2 files in 2 dirs): bb-file for linux 2.6.22.1 and matching defconfig |
| 17:11.41 | freelock | The biggest challenge is keeping the neo awake to get each download started... |
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| 17:12.54 | noidd | press the "aux" button every 10 seconds or so |
| 17:12.58 | noidd | thats what i do |
| 17:16.08 | aloril | (script) openmoko-neo1973: "Werner Almesberger" <werner at almesberger.net> Re: Hardware Schematics |
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| 17:30.17 | vallor | http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/06/08/add_a_monitor_using_usb/ <---- :) |
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| 17:31.32 | kristian-m | vallor that's usb2 |
| 17:31.49 | vallor | oh, the neo1973 doesn't support usb2? |
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| 17:32.59 | happycube | it's just 1.1 |
| 17:33.03 | kristian-m | vallor unfortunately |
| 17:33.14 | happycube | i forget which way gta02 has usb2 |
| 17:33.45 | duffyd | roh: ping |
| 17:33.46 | vallor | argh!!! I was thinking of doing vid/web cam stuff with it |
| 17:33.52 | kristian-m | happycube there is a way? |
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| 17:34.25 | cjb | there's really no usb2? surprising. |
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| 17:34.42 | kristian-m | happycube it would have been great if the gpu had an usb2 interface - but it hasn't |
| 17:34.43 | ar1 | hello |
| 17:35.26 | kristian-m | cjb there would have to be an other controller for that as the cpu would have a hard time to manage it, - i would guess |
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| 17:39.23 | kristian-m | okay, that was wrong - there are cpus out that do have usb2... |
| 17:40.28 | happycube | yeah... it's an older cpu design |
| 17:40.43 | happycube | i'm hoping the high end 2008 model gets an intel silverthorne ;) |
| 17:41.56 | vallor | the price for a usb controller chip would not seem to be a factor... |
| 17:42.04 | happycube | yeah but there are space issues |
| 17:42.04 | kristian-m | happycube i was once wondering why the ipod could not be used while datatransfer and thought that the they had such an issue |
| 17:42.29 | happycube | actually it's because the filesystem is in flux |
| 17:42.52 | kristian-m | i see |
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| 17:49.40 | vallor | ah, here we go: http://www.smsc.com/main/catalog/usb2601.html |
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| 17:51.34 | rigobot | can i have a price in euro of the final version?! |
| 17:51.34 | aloril | rigobot: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:52.24 | jeddy3 | rigobot, you already have a price in USD, right? |
| 17:52.32 | rigobot | yes |
| 17:52.56 | jeddy3 | rigobot, thats the only price known yet |
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| 17:53.03 | rigobot | 450 usd? |
| 17:53.35 | jeddy3 | rigobot, i hope you werent expecting us to calculate that in euro ;) |
| 17:53.53 | rigobot | :D |
| 17:53.56 | XorA|gone | ~change 450 usd to eur |
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| 17:55.13 | ckuethe | XorA|gone: www.xe.com |
| 17:55.41 | XorA|gone | ckuethe: apt looks it up there if you ask nicely |
| 17:55.44 | XorA|gone | ~zap apt |
| 17:55.45 | apt | ACTION takes out a cattle prod and gives apt a good jolt. |
| 17:56.15 | XorA|gone | apt: change 450 usd to eur |
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| 17:57.37 | Kensan | ~google 450 usd in eur |
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| 18:06.32 | noon | hello |
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| 18:08.59 | noon | hello Rince :-) |
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| 18:16.22 | freelock | Okay, I have it booting, dialing, and hey, look, it's getting an incoming call... |
| 18:16.28 | freelock | However, no sound. |
| 18:16.32 | Stephmw | nope |
| 18:16.37 | SpeedEvil | :):( |
| 18:16.41 | Kero | and can you answer the call? :) |
| 18:16.45 | Stephmw | that bit's left as an exercise to the purchaser |
| 18:16.46 | freelock | And now I see the backup instructions... |
| 18:17.00 | freelock | did I nuke the binary GPS program? |
| 18:17.06 | SpeedEvil | yep. |
| 18:17.18 | freelock | Any way to get it back? |
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| 18:17.24 | SpeedEvil | nope. |
| 18:17.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Toronto]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Braunschweig]] [[OpenMoko]] [[GTA01_gsm_modem]] [[Neo1973_Power_Management]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[FAQ/fr]] [[Neo1973_Hardware/es]] [[Neo1973_Hardware/ru]] and other changes |
| 18:17.30 | michaelshiloh | i think the current state is that the audio channel is not yet connected (via software), which is why you hear no audio. |
| 18:17.32 | SpeedEvil | Well - not officially |
| 18:17.46 | SpeedEvil | michaelshiloh: the mixer is _horribly_ complex. |
| 18:18.01 | SpeedEvil | It can route audio in lots of different ways. |
| 18:18.22 | noidd | if anything , it works too well :-) |
| 18:18.36 | SpeedEvil | Well. |
| 18:18.44 | michaelshiloh | True. Perhaps that's why it's not done yet :-) |
| 18:18.44 | SpeedEvil | I would like more A/D and D/A. |
| 18:19.10 | freelock | Kero: It gave me the choice of answer or reject... |
| 18:19.11 | SpeedEvil | The current one for example can't talk to a caller and take a message while playing mp3 to you. |
| 18:19.33 | SpeedEvil | There is only 2 A/D and 3 D/A (one low quality) |
| 18:19.34 | freelock | How would I go about turning audio on? |
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| 18:20.05 | noidd | alsamixer i believe shoudl do it |
| 18:20.14 | SpeedEvil | In theory yes. |
| 18:20.37 | SpeedEvil | In practice the mixer controls are quite complex. |
| 18:21.04 | freelock | Wow, lots of controls in there... |
| 18:22.09 | galexande | ugh, i bet the fact that being able to ring while playing a movie is going to require all sorts of contortions hasn't occurred to anybody yet. |
| 18:22.13 | michaelshiloh | that's because there are lots of audio options. i think there are some 5 speakers, no? |
| 18:22.33 | galexande | 3 speakers, 1 mic, and a bidirectional analog interface to the gsm |
| 18:23.57 | SpeedEvil | galexande: not really - you just need a mixer daemon do that multiple things can open /dev/dsp |
| 18:25.56 | galexande | yeah speed but no one has picked out a standard openmoko mixer daemon, i bet |
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| 18:26.05 | galexande | though i wouldn't object to that being yet another function of gsmd |
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| 18:26.37 | galexande | i wonder if there's a 'transparent' alsa approach to mixer daemmons |
| 18:27.09 | Pupeno | Is there any update on when the final/stable phone is going to be out? (that is, did it got delayed?) |
| 18:27.10 | aloril | Pupeno: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:27.34 | koen | openmoko will use pusleaudio |
| 18:27.36 | galexande | pupeno, they're notorious for not anouncing that a deadline won't happen until the deadline is near, but i would personally be shocked if there is anything shipping in october |
| 18:27.39 | galexande | thanks koen |
| 18:27.40 | koen | pulseaudio that is |
| 18:28.06 | koen | http://www.pulseaudio.org/ |
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| 18:29.52 | XorA|gone | freelock: to get sound in call do alsactl -f restore /etc/alsa/gsmhandset.state |
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| 18:30.09 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2400 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.22.x/patches/ (4 files): |
| 18:30.09 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Fix function pointers |
| 18:30.09 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Thanks to Felix "nbd" Fietkau |
| 18:30.11 | calamous_ | I'm so happy, my neo arrived |
| 18:31.06 | freelock | calamous_: Welcome! |
| 18:31.16 | freelock | Make sure you back up the filesystem before you flash it... |
| 18:31.25 | SpeedEvil | wiki.openmoko.org | Store: www.openmoko.com | First phones arrived yesterday, more now. More to ship. (black/silver only, in order of RT) DO NOT FLASH WITHOUT SAVING gllin! |
| 18:31.29 | freelock | I just lost my GSM software... (looking for another cop) |
| 18:31.31 | freelock | y |
| 18:31.52 | SpeedEvil | wiki.openmoko.org | Store: www.openmoko.com | First phones arrived yesterday, more now. More to ship. (black/silver only, in order of RT) DO NOT FLASH WITHOUT SAVING gllin (the GPS driver) |
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| 18:33.05 | happycube | oooohhhh |
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| 18:42.15 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2401 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.22.x/patches/pcf50633.patch: Update to 2.6.22.1 |
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| 18:50.44 | freelock | Just had a successful outgoing call... |
| 18:50.58 | freelock | Had to adjust the audio for both left and right speakers down during the call |
| 18:51.38 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 18:52.46 | woglinde | hehe |
| 18:52.48 | woglinde | gratz |
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| 18:57.35 | XorA|gone | freelock: hmmm, left/right speakers shouldnt be on, I must have arsed up that file |
| 18:59.43 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2402 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.22.x/patches/gta02-core.patch: Update to 2.6.22.1 |
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| 19:01.25 | daxxar | So now the real development gets started. :-) |
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| 19:01.53 | ozarka | daxxar: nethack? |
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| 19:02.29 | daxxar | ozarka: What about it? |
| 19:02.50 | daxxar | (I was saying so since phones have started arriving) |
| 19:03.03 | ozarka | I know. :-) |
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| 19:03.25 | ryoohki | how are the phones? |
| 19:03.32 | ozarka | I ordered an orange one, so I have nothing to do but stew in my own bitterness until they start shipping. |
| 19:03.49 | daxxar | ozarka: But what about nethack? |
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| 19:04.22 | daxxar | Ah, orange, yes, I was considering it - to not be dull and stereotypically geek (black/silver is a bit cliche), but I luckily decided against it. ;-) |
| 19:04.37 | ozarka | You said "real development". It was a joke. :-) |
| 19:05.00 | daxxar | ozarka: Ah, haha ;P A bit slow today. |
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| 19:05.16 | daxxar | Second time in ~5 minutes someone has made an IRC-joke that I didn't get. :S |
| 19:05.20 | daxxar | It's not you, it's me! |
| 19:05.29 | ozarka | I don't think I would have been in the first shipment anyway. |
| 19:05.50 | daxxar | I hope I am, not too certain though. But have they billed people who aren't in the first shipment? |
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| 19:06.50 | ozarka | I don't know. |
| 19:06.50 | daxxar | Have you been billed? |
| 19:06.58 | ozarka | I have not been billed. |
| 19:07.09 | daxxar | Mkay, guess not, then. :) |
| 19:07.34 | paulproteus | Aww, the dialer doesn't actually dial out for me. |
| 19:08.17 | ozarka | I'm 2742 and the highest billed according to the wiki is 24xx. |
| 19:08.21 | paulproteus | Nor does the phone actually notice that it received a call, Maybe I didn't put the SIM card in right. |
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| 19:09.27 | paulproteus | But the terminal does. (-: |
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| 19:11.10 | orospakr | ozarka: me too. orange for the lose. at least it will look cool once I get it. :P |
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| 19:12.31 | ozarka | I work with BlackBerry devices. They all start to look the same after a while. |
| 19:13.04 | roh | if you guys need some good entertainment while waiting for your phones, watch this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065528/ |
| 19:13.21 | roh | gets you into the right state of mind... |
| 19:13.37 | ozarka | Thanks, roh. |
| 19:13.58 | ozarka | Are you saying it's a difficult device to work with? |
| 19:14.03 | ozarka | Is that a subtle hint? |
| 19:14.55 | roh | ozarka no. thats not the point.. its a point about the insanity of buerocrats and hierarchy |
| 19:15.23 | ozarka | Right. Got it. |
| 19:15.28 | roh | ;) |
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| 19:30.14 | codyl | what order number are they on for processing ? |
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| 19:30.37 | ScaredyCat | -9999 |
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| 19:32.14 | codyl | -9999 ? |
| 19:32.38 | ScaredyCat | they're very very slow |
| 19:32.50 | SpeedEvil | They're not over -9000? |
| 19:36.18 | ozarka | codyl: according to the wiki, the last one shipped was 24xx. |
| 19:36.38 | ScaredyCat | shipped? or paid for |
| 19:36.46 | codyl | ozarka, ah- so it is actually happening .. thank you |
| 19:36.51 | ozarka | Shipped. |
| 19:37.02 | ozarka | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 19:37.19 | ozarka | Surely I'm not the only one obsessively reloading that page? |
| 19:37.26 | codyl | hahaah |
| 19:37.30 | ScaredyCat | yes, but that means very little |
| 19:37.48 | ScaredyCat | since they're not shipping in order number sequence |
| 19:38.15 | ozarka | It's _mostly_ number sequence. |
| 19:38.23 | ScaredyCat | no it's not |
| 19:38.28 | ScaredyCat | it's by country |
| 19:38.47 | ozarka | Right. |
| 19:38.52 | ScaredyCat | usa first, then everyone else |
| 19:39.06 | ozarka | I'm in the US, so that makes sense to me. :-) |
| 19:39.08 | ScaredyCat | although they seem to be shipping about 3 a day.. |
| 19:39.15 | codyl | wow |
| 19:39.27 | codyl | they might even be done by the time the second version ships! |
| 19:39.36 | ScaredyCat | looks like 1 person in Norway has shipping confirmation |
| 19:39.43 | SpeedEvil | And one in UK |
| 19:39.51 | SpeedEvil | who alledged it'll be here tomorrow. |
| 19:39.54 | XorA|gone | gah, soon everyone will have a Neo and I shall no longer be cool |
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| 19:41.03 | ozarka | XorA: even after they all ship, only a few thousand people on the planet will have one. |
| 19:41.20 | ScaredyCat | denmark too |
| 19:41.27 | ozarka | So I think your "coolness" is safe. :-) |
| 19:41.36 | marsan | yeah, i have to be lame with my Nokia 6260 until october or later... |
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| 19:42.39 | dtx | Are there still plenty of Silver/Black Neos? |
| 19:42.55 | XorA|gone | ozarka: who will be the first to blend one though? |
| 19:43.46 | dtx | Are there any left? |
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| 19:44.55 | roh | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/008279.html |
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| 19:45.32 | ScaredyCat | we need devices first |
| 19:48.13 | roh | hhf423_ :) |
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| 19:49.02 | bug_ | could i place my tent in gsm-village? |
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| 19:49.35 | hhf423_ | bug_: you can place your tent whereever you want |
| 19:50.17 | hhf423_ | bug_: but I would advise not to do it where rain would gather if it does. last time people in the wrong places got almost flushed away :-) |
| 19:50.30 | roh | bug_ of course. |
| 19:50.39 | bug_ | ok! thanks! |
| 19:51.07 | woglinde | hi roh |
| 19:51.14 | bug_ | i can take a neo and a debugboard with |
| 19:51.55 | bug_ | (hopefully nobody needs the db) |
| 19:53.09 | roh | since some developers will be there we will have enough db to survive. to be fair i use it pretty seldom |
| 19:53.33 | bug_ | hhf432: i hope i find a good place since i arrive late (7.8. evening) |
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| 19:54.33 | bug_ | roh: ok less stuff to care about ;-) |
| 19:54.38 | roh | there is plenty of space.. thats what i would not really worry about |
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| 19:58.47 | Kero | hmhm, I'll be on a different continent during camp... |
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| 20:02.13 | ynezz | i might go there :p |
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| 20:04.42 | Jason1 | hey all! Have I missedanything exciting? I sawa few more people got their device! |
| 20:05.12 | zecke | Jason1: see topic |
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| 20:05.41 | Jason1 | zecke: You sounds bitter :) |
| 20:05.49 | ynezz | we're! |
| 20:06.05 | ynezz | btw, how's your neo? :) |
| 20:06.14 | Jason1 | awesome:) |
| 20:06.28 | ynezz | argh@#! |
| 20:06.34 | Jason1 | Have not played with it much today. I am supposed to be working... |
| 20:06.35 | zecke | Jason1: tired+hungry |
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| 20:17.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Silent_mode_timeout]] [[Wishlist:EggTimer]] [[Web_Browser]] [[Toolbar]] [[Message_Body]] [[System_Info]] [[Search_Widget]] [[Wishlist_-_Hardware_-_Novel_Devices]] [[Stylus]] [[Sources_Dialog]] [[Bluetooth_powered_Multi-SIM_support]] and other changes |
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| 20:18.31 | phed_ | is there a trac for this project? |
| 20:19.59 | kristian-m | phed_ have a look at: http://projects.openmoko.org/ - no trac though |
| 20:20.30 | phed_ | mm, with the timeline on trac it is easy to keep on top of how the project progresses |
| 20:21.04 | phed_ | especially since you can browse the source directly |
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| 20:21.31 | don-o | hi Jason1. if you have to be at work, at least the neo has time to change. |
| 20:21.33 | Federico22 | !!! |
| 20:21.39 | buluca | hi Federico22 |
| 20:21.47 | don-o | Jason1: yesterday's BOF was less dramatic because the battery of the only neo was dead |
| 20:21.53 | Federico22 | hi there |
| 20:22.12 | Jason1 | don-o: Yeah, I have to let it rest every now an then. |
| 20:22.26 | Jason1 | don-o: That sucks. How many people showed up? |
| 20:22.52 | don-o | Jason1: about 25. |
| 20:22.56 | don-o | Jason1: more than i expected. |
| 20:23.14 | Jason1 | interesting. |
| 20:23.42 | don-o | we didnt think anyone was going to show up with a neo |
| 20:23.50 | don-o | so a couple people started the emulator on their laptops |
| 20:24.17 | Jason1 | wish I could have made it. I wantedto goto Ubuntu Live, but we have a sfotware release coming up |
| 20:25.22 | don-o | Jason1: i have yet to confirm that the P1 can actually take or make a call. |
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| 20:26.14 | Jason1 | don-o: Yeah it can. barely. |
| 20:26.46 | Jason1 | The GUI crashes easily, and you have to tweakthe audio volume via SSH. |
| 20:26.58 | don-o | Jason1: you were able to talk to the other end? |
| 20:27.01 | Jason1 | and I still have not heard it ring when an incolimng call comes in. |
| 20:27.09 | Jason1 | don-o: Yup. |
| 20:27.14 | Jason1 | and listen. |
| 20:28.48 | don-o | Jason1: cool. what about taking a call? |
| 20:28.53 | Jason1 | Pretty cool stuff. I am hoping that the dialer bugs get worked out quickly so that I can at least avoid having to swap out the SIM all the time |
| 20:29.19 | don-o | Jason1: how does SIM swapping help? |
| 20:29.35 | Jason1 | don-o: It will take a call too. The problem is that I have not been able to get it to "ring". You have to be looking at the screen when the call comes in so that you can pressthe "answer" button |
| 20:29.54 | don-o | Jason1: interesting. |
| 20:29.55 | Jason1 | don-o: So people can still get ahold of me :) |
| 20:30.07 | don-o | Jason1: do you have an idea of the battery life? |
| 20:30.23 | Jason1 | don-o: It is definately not ready for daily use, but I dont think it is very far away. |
| 20:30.40 | Jason1 | don-o: No idea. I have barely had it un-tethered. |
| 20:30.57 | don-o | Jason1: ok. |
| 20:31.28 | Jason1 | I did take it out to a restraunt yesterday (around my neck) :) |
| 20:32.01 | don-o | wow. thats gotta get you some nerd-cred. ;) |
| 20:32.31 | calamous_ | Jason1: I got mine today. and I have just flashed the kernel and rootfs onto it |
| 20:32.56 | Jason1 | calamous_: ohh cool! What rootfs did you use? |
| 20:33.06 | calamous_ | Jason1: the one on chooseopen.com |
| 20:33.12 | don-o | calamous_: sweet |
| 20:33.21 | Jason1 | cool. yeah the one on builhost dont work |
| 20:34.32 | calamous_ | I was wondering how the sim card slot works, like if it is a device (i.e /dev/simcard) because it would be nice to copy the data off so I dont have to keep swaping sims when I need a "phone" |
| 20:35.24 | calamous_ | I'm really inpressed with the display I set up USBnet (and routing on my host) and was viewing web pages and pictures |
| 20:35.25 | roh | calamous_ the sim is exclusively connected to the gsm modem. meaning every communication to the sim should go via gsmd |
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| 20:35.42 | Jason1 | calamous_: no idea. I think gsmd handles that. IIRC, the wiki says that libgsmd-tool has not implemented the SIM storage feature yet... |
| 20:36.46 | Jason1 | calamous_: You gotta tell me how you did that. I can ssh into it, but the devicecant see the outside world |
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| 20:37.13 | roh | Jason1 you need to set up nat |
| 20:37.24 | calamous_ | On your host: echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:37.39 | roh | iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 20:37.45 | roh | iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT |
| 20:37.57 | roh | and what calamous_ said |
| 20:38.02 | calamous_ | roh's way works but I used a different way |
| 20:38.15 | codyl | bridge-utils will work too iirc |
| 20:38.40 | roh | codyl should. but i am not shure since i havent tested that. |
| 20:38.50 | calamous_ | Instead of masqing, on my router (since that is linux too, openwrt) you must set it back up to route anything to 192.168.0.0/24 to the IP of your host computer which has the usb<-->openmoko connection |
| 20:38.52 | Jason1 | I have a bridge setup for VirtualBox. Whats the chances of me messing that up :) |
| 20:39.08 | calamous_ | not much |
| 20:39.08 | codyl | roh, ive used bridge-utils with bluetooth PAN before- works quite well |
| 20:39.28 | calamous_ | brctl addif <bridgename> usb0 |
| 20:39.51 | calamous_ | Make sure to copy your /etc/resolv.conf too |
| 20:39.55 | roh | calamous_ ah.. yes. but then you are limited to one router.. since i have it in my etc/network/interfaces i just have ip on the moko by plugging it into my notebook. regardless where that gets its upstream from. |
| 20:40.25 | roh | also bridging does _not_ work on wireless interfaces. means when the notebook has wifi for internet connection you cannot bridge that ot usb or ethernet |
| 20:40.31 | calamous_ | roh: true. |
| 20:41.04 | roh | fell into that hole with qemu more than once. *sigh* |
| 20:41.11 | calamous_ | roh: I would have done that but my firewall on my comp is one of those esay packages firestarter and it really dosent like me to mess with uptables |
| 20:41.12 | Jason1 | roh: I learned that the hard way :) |
| 20:41.32 | calamous_ | I want to try it on a bluetooth PAN next |
| 20:41.56 | calamous_ | Does anyone know much about the on screen keyboard, I cant seem to change it to dvorak |
| 20:42.27 | roh | calamous_ hehe. yeah. eventually i should ask the freifunk guys toi add that to their image for WRt ans similar boxes. so anybody could just use that and add an usb-bt stick without any config work |
| 20:43.28 | calamous_ | roh: yep. I had it ipkg all those bluetooth packages onto my router. the df shows that now my rootfs is 98% full. Linksys used to have so much more space, but they really cut it back |
| 20:43.48 | calamous_ | The rev.1 boards always have the best CPU, ram, and flash |
| 20:44.22 | roh | bbl |
| 20:44.49 | noidd | later roh |
| 20:44.57 | codyl | whats the issue with wireless devices? I am quite i've done that |
| 20:45.03 | codyl | * sure |
| 20:45.13 | calamous_ | Does anyone know how to display the battery charge? |
| 20:45.24 | cjb | should be at the top right? |
| 20:45.37 | cjb | if not, you probably need to upgrade |
| 20:46.33 | calamous_ | I just see the charge icon |
| 20:46.50 | cjb | ah. well, if you weren't charging, it would display the charge state, I guess. |
| 20:47.02 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03andrew * r2403 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (48 files in 9 dirs): Pull changes from cvs.savannah.nongnu.org:/sources/qemu. (Closing bug #659) |
| 20:47.04 | Jason1 | calamous_: Question: The neo is on a different subnet (192.168.0) vs(10.0.0.) than the host. Is that good or bad? |
| 20:47.17 | calamous_ | Good |
| 20:47.31 | calamous_ | if its on the same it wont know what interface to push out the packets |
| 20:48.08 | calamous_ | Jason1: Whats your host's IP? |
| 20:48.17 | Jason1 | 10.0.0.10 |
| 20:48.28 | calamous_ | and your USB one is 192.168.0.200? |
| 20:48.36 | Jason1 | yup, default |
| 20:48.54 | Jason1 | calamous_: acutally 192.168.0.202, right? |
| 20:49.12 | calamous_ | Jason1: the neo should be .202 |
| 20:49.24 | calamous_ | and you should be .200 |
| 20:49.25 | Jason1 | ohh yes. of course. |
| 20:49.34 | Jason1 | thats correct. Thats how it is |
| 20:49.44 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03ortalo * r2404 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-calculator/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Improved display of non-finite numbers (with some special treatment for repeated NaN results...:-) |
| 20:51.06 | calamous_ | Jason: on your host run: iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -o eth0 -s 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 20:51.16 | calamous_ | assuming that your ethernet is eth0 |
| 20:51.50 | calamous_ | and echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:51.57 | freelock | Okay, I've gotten my contact list copied over from Evolution on the desktop, works great... |
| 20:52.22 | freelock | Calendar is showing reminders on the home page, but haven't yet gotten to show in the calendar app |
| 20:53.50 | Jason1 | calamous_: "sudo echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" give me "/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward: Permission Denied |
| 20:54.04 | calamous_ | Jason |
| 20:54.29 | calamous_ | jason1: you are redirecting the output of sudo to /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:54.39 | freelock | jason1: sudo su, then try it... |
| 20:54.53 | calamous_ | jason1: not echo. do sudo -s -H first then run that command |
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| 20:57.57 | calamous_ | I have set the time with date but when I restart it dosent stick. is there a way to update the hardware? |
| 20:58.10 | freelock | Wondering the same thing... |
| 20:58.35 | freelock | is ntp available on the device? |
| 20:58.40 | Kensan | calamous_: man hwclock |
| 20:58.51 | calamous_ | Kensan: ty |
| 21:04.13 | calamous_ | Jason1: did you get your net worknig? |
| 21:04.14 | Jason1 | calamous_: Got it! Took me a second to figure it out. My eth0 is bound to br0 so I had to modify your command to account for that. Works great now!!! |
| 21:04.39 | calamous_ | Nice. go to some sites and look at the pic quality on the neo |
| 21:05.00 | calamous_ | It has better res than the iPhone right? (even though its screen is smaller) |
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| 21:05.21 | Jason1 | calamous_: will I need to write a script to do that on boot, or will those changes persist? |
| 21:05.50 | calamous_ | Jason1: they will not be presistant so A script will be needed |
| 21:06.40 | Jason1 | calamous_: Stupid question. how do you click in the broswer? Mine wants to pan the view instead of click |
| 21:07.18 | calamous_ | Jason1: I could not tell you becasue when I click in my browser it closes like a SIGSEV |
| 21:07.23 | calamous_ | lol |
| 21:07.27 | Jason1 | ohh |
| 21:07.36 | calamous_ | But I can go to address in the address bar |
| 21:07.46 | Jason1 | thats weird. You should be uning hte same rootfs as me... |
| 21:08.09 | calamous_ | Jason1: I agree. |
| 21:09.10 | calamous_ | I think the keyboard is really unintutiave. It should have a "." in it and '/' and '-' on its regular mode, its a pain to type in the address |
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| 21:10.06 | Jason1 | calamous_: the keyboard needs work |
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| 21:10.42 | calamous_ | yeah I'm going to SVN the source and play around with it |
| 21:11.02 | Elrond | calamous_ - If you get to do something useful, submit a patch, please. |
| 21:11.10 | freelock | Is there a reference around for the handwriting recognition? |
| 21:11.23 | freelock | Can write most letters, but no space, no "i", and a few others... |
| 21:11.39 | calamous_ | Elrond: of course |
| 21:11.45 | Elrond | freelock - I was locking for that info too. If you find it, let me know. |
| 21:13.16 | stefan_schmidt | calamous_, Elrond: Make sure you follow the work alphaone is already doing on it. Discuss is on matchbox ml |
| 21:14.12 | calamous_ | matchbox ml? |
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| 21:17.06 | stefan_schmidt | calamous_: matchbox project maillingliste |
| 21:17.26 | stefan_schmidt | calamous_: We use the matchbox-keyboard |
| 21:17.31 | Elrond | calamous_ - openmoko-keyboard is a fork of matchbox-keyboard. |
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| 21:17.44 | stefan_schmidt | calamous_: http://matchbox-project.org/ |
| 21:18.05 | calamous_ | ok ok. ty |
| 21:18.26 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: The goal is to remove the fork. That's alphaone current task |
| 21:18.41 | calamous_ | Jason1: have you gone to google.com on your neo yet? |
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| 21:19.09 | Jason1 | calamous_: Yeah, It looks good. I was trying to get to other pages, without much luck. |
| 21:19.29 | calamous_ | Jason1: are you scrolling or wehn you click "search" lets say crashing? |
| 21:20.33 | Jason1 | I fixed the scrolling thing. That little in lower right corner button in the keyboard is a mode switch. It craches when I press html buttons |
| 21:21.17 | calamous_ | Does anyone know how to get dev-tools on the phone, it dosent have gcc and gdb (although I bet they would take lots of space)? |
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| 21:25.52 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Ahh, super, I like that. :-) |
| 21:26.28 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - I really hope it'll work out. My last attempts for re-unifying a fork took 3 years, after which I gave up. ;) |
| 21:27.15 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: It's already on the way. |
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| 21:27.58 | Jason1 | calamous_: fyi, apparently browser doesnot support JPGs |
| 21:28.06 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Will take some time to get in all the needed bits, but at least O-Hand, company behind matchbox, is already working on OpenMoko :) |
| 21:28.22 | calamous_ | Jason1: hmm, I wonder if it dosent have the decodeing for them |
| 21:28.33 | calamous_ | Jason1: I wish I could port firefox to it, lol |
| 21:29.01 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Nice :-)) |
| 21:29.11 | LarstiQ | Elrond: samba-ng? |
| 21:29.36 | Elrond | LarstiQ - s/ng/tng/; Yes. |
| 21:29.45 | LarstiQ | woops |
| 21:29.52 | LarstiQ | but at least I remembered correctly |
| 21:30.03 | Elrond | hehe ;) |
| 21:32.09 | Jason1 | calamous_: goto http://www.chooseopen.com/pic.html on the device. Its a picture sample... |
| 21:32.52 | calamous_ | Jason1: Thats a nice picture |
| 21:32.58 | SpeedEvil | There is no reason FF won't just work. |
| 21:33.17 | SpeedEvil | It will not be battery optimal. |
| 21:34.02 | Elrond | And it will not be very fast ;) |
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| 21:34.52 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Unresolved_Hardware_Questions - everyone who's just got hardware! |
| 21:37.26 | Elrond | Okay, no questions for me ;-) |
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| 21:39.47 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: for you - a copy of the script you use to start up gllin - and log, so others can produce nice long logs for stats. |
| 21:40.10 | Jason1 | calamous_: Have you tested the audio yet? |
| 21:40.34 | calamous_ | Jason1: no I haven. I would put an ogg on but I don't think it has the decoder. |
| 21:41.06 | Jason1 | I did an MP3 yesterday... |
| 21:41.24 | calamous_ | Jason1: It has an mp3 decoder on it? |
| 21:41.26 | calamous_ | preinstalled? |
| 21:41.35 | calamous_ | cause I can seem to get ipkg to work |
| 21:41.37 | Jason1 | calamous_: yup |
| 21:41.44 | Jason1 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem |
| 21:41.47 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Ahh, I'll call ph5 for the strace options. |
| 21:41.54 | Jason1 | calamous_: very easy to play with |
| 21:42.00 | calamous_ | Jason1: what do you use to play it? is there even a file manager |
| 21:42.26 | calamous_ | mpg321 or something? |
| 21:42.38 | Jason1 | madplay |
| 21:42.46 | Jason1 | alsactl -f /etc/alsa/stereoout.state restore |
| 21:42.46 | Jason1 | madplay myfavoritesong.mp3 |
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| 21:43.42 | Jason1 | calamous_: I copied an mp3 out to /mnt/card via scp |
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| 21:46.55 | Jason1 | calamous_: Have you been able to makea call? |
| 21:53.34 | calamous_ | Jason1: nope have you? |
| 21:53.39 | Jason1 | calamous_: yup |
| 21:54.03 | calamous_ | Jason1: through gsmd or the dialer? |
| 21:54.06 | Jason1 | should be able to easily make call from SSH. Little more trial/error with hte GUI |
| 21:54.26 | calamous_ | Jason1: I put in my flash card but I'm not sure what the dev node is called, do you know? |
| 21:54.35 | calamous_ | sd card, or w/e its called |
| 21:54.48 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Any rough timeframe on the new-ui-commit / a new build on buildhost? |
| 21:55.22 | Jason1 | calamous_: mine mounted automatically as /mnt/card |
| 21:55.42 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: once you have gllin running - strace -s 9999 -o file should work. |
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| 21:55.46 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Soon (TM) |
| 21:55.53 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: once you have gllin running - strace -s 9999 -o file -p pidofgllin should work. |
| 21:56.07 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Sorry, I'm not the announcement guy. :( |
| 21:56.25 | calamous_ | Jason1: if you type mount what dev node is linked to /mnt/card? |
| 21:57.36 | Jason1 | /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 21:57.53 | SpeedEvil | Ok. |
| 21:57.56 | calamous_ | Do you think I could walk over to the local AT&T store and ask for an extra sim card, say I got 2 phones and I don't like swaping |
| 21:58.36 | Jason1 | calamous_: I heard that SOME providers will sell you a replacement sim. Search howardforums. they are down with all that stuff |
| 21:59.45 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Heh, no problem. The second part of my question is more relating to the commits since 3 weeks, so one can try some of that. ;) |
| 22:02.15 | calamous_ | Jason1: Nice I got that mp3 playing. I'm using the on screen kb, It needs to have numebrs slashes, perorid on the main screen, as well as tab (How could anyone use a shell without tab completion)? |
| 22:02.17 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: yeah, unfortunately I have no access to the buildhost and my upload is to slow to put it on my people account from my local build |
| 22:02.33 | freelock | calamous_: choose the other keyboard |
| 22:02.41 | calamous_ | and how do I ctrl+c out of a program |
| 22:02.49 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - No worry :-) |
| 22:03.36 | SpeedEvil | Ok - I've written a small FAQ on how to measure power consumption of your neo. Anyone with a DMM and a P1 Neo - step up! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Unresolved_Hardware_Questions |
| 22:03.41 | calamous_ | freelock: ty. i didnt see that option. Do you know how to map it to dvorak? |
| 22:03.42 | Jason1 | calamous_: Yeah the keyboard sucks. I could figure out ctrl-c either. I did everything via an ssh terminal |
| 22:03.42 | freelock | (touch & hold the right edge of the white box, you get a dropdown with two keyboards and stroke recognizer |
| 22:03.55 | Jason1 | could=couldnt |
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| 22:04.30 | calamous_ | Jason1: there is another kb that freelock helped me get to, its much better |
| 22:04.36 | freelock | Don't see any option for dvorak |
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| 22:04.52 | Jason1 | calamous_: ohh? |
| 22:04.55 | stefan_schmidt | Night all. |
| 22:05.14 | calamous_ | Jason1: if you click and hold the white box at top choose the middle option |
| 22:05.15 | Jason1 | calamous_: found it |
| 22:05.18 | calamous_ | nice |
| 22:05.24 | Jason1 | MUCH better |
| 22:05.26 | calamous_ | inst that much better |
| 22:05.28 | calamous_ | yeah lol |
| 22:06.14 | Jason1 | calamous_: Did you remember to backup your device before you flashed it? |
| 22:06.17 | calamous_ | Jason1: the next step is to get Xmms first |
| 22:06.25 | calamous_ | NO! I lost my gps driver apprently |
| 22:06.33 | Elrond | Good night stefan_schmidt |
| 22:06.53 | Jason1 | calamous_: Exactly what I was goingto ask you for :( |
| 22:06.58 | Jason1 | lost mine too |
| 22:07.00 | freelock | calamous_: me too... :-( |
| 22:07.10 | calamous_ | How could I back it up if it didnt boot |
| 22:07.23 | calamous_ | Cause if I extracted the mem block it would just be binary data |
| 22:07.26 | Jason1 | calamous_: Yeah, I dont think mine had rootfs on it... |
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| 22:07.49 | calamous_ | They made it seem like you need to take the_gps_driver.ko off and then flash and put it back on |
| 22:08.19 | calamous_ | Why can't it be online, is the gps company worried about their precious source? |
| 22:08.20 | SpeedEvil | It's not a ko |
| 22:08.23 | SpeedEvil | it's a binary |
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| 22:08.57 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: do you know where that binary resides? (or shoulb reside) |
| 22:09.05 | Jason1 | SpeedEvil: You are going to remember to back your up and send it to all us idiots, right :) |
| 22:09.11 | SpeedEvil | IIRC it's gllin. |
| 22:09.15 | SpeedEvil | I dunno where it is. |
| 22:09.36 | Jason1 | supposed to be in a folder off /root |
| 22:09.52 | Jason1 | /root/DM or something like that |
| 22:09.56 | calamous_ | How am I susposed to back it up if I dont have a rootfs? |
| 22:10.02 | calamous_ | didn't |
| 22:11.29 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. good question. |
| 22:11.33 | calamous_ | Well i'll brb. I'm going to the local monopoly store (at&t) and asking for a second sim card |
| 22:11.45 | writchie | SpeedEvil: Do you know that neo will run with Bat removed? |
| 22:11.51 | SpeedEvil | writchie? |
| 22:11.59 | freelock | Jason1/SpeedEvil: /home/root/gllin |
| 22:12.00 | SpeedEvil | I don't _think_ it will. |
| 22:12.03 | SpeedEvil | I dunno. |
| 22:12.53 | writchie | SpeedEvil: your power measurements depend on charge current |
| 22:12.54 | Jason1 | freelock: yep, mines gone |
| 22:13.03 | SpeedEvil | writchie: not once it's charged. |
| 22:13.04 | freelock | Mine too |
| 22:13.16 | writchie | SpeedEvil: unless battery removed |
| 22:13.26 | Jason1 | :( I was looking forward to seeing some GPS output |
| 22:13.50 | freelock | What's strange right now is that the GSM antenna shows a signal |
| 22:13.51 | SpeedEvil | I don't think it will run with battery out. Adn the battery is not charged at all once it's charged. |
| 22:13.57 | freelock | ... and I took out the sim card an hour ago |
| 22:14.22 | SpeedEvil | In some places you can make emergency calls with no SIM. |
| 22:14.26 | Jason1 | freelock: Mine shows a week signal. It wouldnt trust it... |
| 22:15.00 | woglinde | the symbol dont work right |
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| 22:15.36 | woglinde | same for bt symbol |
| 22:15.41 | woglinde | only placeholder |
| 22:16.25 | freelock | It seems to partially work, for turning gsm antenna on/off and associating with network |
| 22:16.32 | freelock | (not bt) |
| 22:17.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[Unresolved_Hardware_Questions]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Pincher_Creek]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[User:XorA]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Edinburgh]] [[Category:Implemented]] [[Category:In_progress]] [[Category:InProgress]] and other changes |
| 22:17.16 | Jason1 | freelock: mine little status bar thing crashes when I try to mess with hte GSM antenna menu items |
| 22:17.24 | Jason1 | mine=my |
| 22:17.38 | freelock | Mine seems to work a couple times, enough to (usually) get associated, then it crashes |
| 22:17.50 | ynezz | :) |
| 22:18.07 | Jason1 | freelock: have you madea call yet? |
| 22:18.15 | freelock | Yes, outgoing... |
| 22:18.24 | freelock | incoming seems to crash right after picking up the call |
| 22:18.38 | Jason1 | :( My incoming worked. |
| 22:18.46 | Jason1 | cl or GUI? |
| 22:18.49 | freelock | GUI. |
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| 22:18.58 | zecke | hrw|gone: ping |
| 22:19.01 | freelock | Did you have the dialer running when you received the call? |
| 22:19.09 | zecke | mickeyl: are we there yet? |
| 22:19.14 | Jason1 | yeah, I think so |
| 22:19.46 | TheWordNerd | Out of curiosity, does openmoko actually run gnome? Or can it? |
| 22:19.46 | aloril | TheWordNerd: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:20.41 | zecke | TheWordNerd: it doesn't come with metacity, gnome-panel and nautilus but it uses GConf, GStreamer, EDS, GnomeVFS |
| 22:21.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 663 has been created by thebohemian(AT)gmx.net |
| 22:21.02 | cdbot2 | * * jffs2 image endianess depends on build hosts byteorder |
| 22:21.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=663 |
| 22:21.11 | TheWordNerd | I looked at the FAQ and list of software, but am not sure whether the full gnome stack is used/available or if there are specific libraries written to be more lightweight. I assume the latter but would rather not assume. :) |
| 22:21.38 | Jason1 | FYI, I just built another rootfs image and uploaded it to: http://www.chooseopen.com/openmoko/build/ |
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| 22:22.40 | TheWordNerd | zecke, Have you heard of anyone using gnome-panel, etc. on it? |
| 22:23.57 | TheWordNerd | I ask because I'm wondering how likely/possible it would be to run an accessible version of gnome on it, running orca for access by blind/visually impaired users. Granted, you'd need some sort of keyboard/keypad, but... |
| 22:24.52 | TheWordNerd | Or perhaps you could skip the panel/metacity, dunno and haven't tried. |
| 22:25.19 | zecke | TheWordNerd: lol, I think it is impossible to use orca :) |
| 22:25.43 | TheWordNerd | zecke, Why do you say that, out of curiosity? |
| 22:25.55 | zecke | TheWordNerd: it won't fit on the screen, and if it fits you can't have any other apps visible :) |
| 22:26.24 | prpplague | anyone working on sdio stack for the s3c2410/2440? |
| 22:26.37 | TheWordNerd | zecke, Orca can be configured to not pop up a window by default. |
| 22:26.52 | TheWordNerd | . . . and only pop up a window when configuring it. |
| 22:27.05 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: the P2 wifi is on SDIO |
| 22:27.07 | SpeedEvil | so, yes. |
| 22:27.18 | zecke | TheWordNerd: what output would you use? braille, speach? |
| 22:27.34 | zecke | TheWordNerd: but there isn't anything preventing you from using atk+ and guile |
| 22:27.37 | TheWordNerd | zecke, Speech, presumably whatever sound hardware is on the phone already. |
| 22:28.12 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: who is the point on that? |
| 22:28.16 | TheWordNerd | Hmmm, might have to give it a shot. How much storage and RAM does the phone include? |
| 22:28.27 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: core team |
| 22:28.31 | SpeedEvil | TheWordNerd 128m |
| 22:28.42 | SpeedEvil | TheWordNerd/64, plus SD card |
| 22:28.49 | TheWordNerd | SpeedEvil, Of RAM I assume? |
| 22:28.53 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 22:28.59 | TheWordNerd | Oh, total? |
| 22:29.06 | TheWordNerd | Ah. |
| 22:29.10 | zecke | TheWordNerd: I have always wondered how you would do accessibility on a phone/pda and I blindly assume it is too small to be usable |
| 22:29.12 | SpeedEvil | 128M RAM, 64M flash, + microSD |
| 22:29.15 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: is there a list or channel i can work with the core team on the sdio stack stuff? |
| 22:29.21 | SpeedEvil | no |
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| 22:29.44 | SpeedEvil | mail on the mailing list |
| 22:29.44 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: shame, they might like to have my code and notes :( |
| 22:29.57 | SpeedEvil | openmoko-hardware or something. |
| 22:30.23 | TheWordNerd | zecke, Some phones do already and it seems to work just fine, albeit expensively ($300+ in addition to the phone.) |
| 22:30.37 | SpeedEvil | The SDIO pins are not exposed at the moment. |
| 22:30.59 | TheWordNerd | So I'm wondering if openmoko+orca might be a less expensive alternative. |
| 22:31.05 | zecke | TheWordNerd: I don't know which disabilities are targeted but the whole device is smaller than a usual input device (mice, special purpose mice) |
| 22:32.08 | TheWordNerd | zecke, Right, so I'm thinking that either another device needs to be used (when the platform supports more) or I'd need to look into some sort of small bluetooth keyboard as a separate component. Not sure yet. |
| 22:33.16 | Kero | ok, new commit on my dbus code; post to mailing list out. bedtime now, dreaming of emails about shipping neos. |
| 22:34.40 | calamous_ | at&t said that a customer can only have one active SIM card at a time |
| 22:34.45 | calamous_ | I said their system blew |
| 22:34.56 | Jason1 | calamous_: that sucks |
| 22:35.01 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: the sd slot doesn't use the sdi controller on the s3c2410? i would be surprised if they are just using spi |
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| 22:35.19 | SpeedEvil | the extra wire isn't brought out. |
| 22:35.21 | SpeedEvil | AIUI. |
| 22:35.27 | SpeedEvil | I could be wrong. |
| 22:35.59 | calamous_ | Jason1: when you click on the GSM atenna icon in the upper right and click power on dose it crash your whole top bar? |
| 22:36.11 | Jason1 | calamous_: yup |
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| 22:36.39 | calamous_ | That makes me thing each icon is just a plugin to the bar, not its own program like on gnome or kde |
| 22:36.58 | calamous_ | because when an applet crashes in gnome it just kills that icon, not the entire gnome-panel |
| 22:37.01 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: which extra wire is that? |
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| 22:37.22 | SpeedEvil | Isn't there another select line for SDIO cards? |
| 22:37.47 | Jason1 | calamous_: could be.. |
| 22:37.52 | SpeedEvil | I need to look at the standard again. |
| 22:39.55 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: for 1-bit sd the sdio is the same |
| 22:40.40 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: will you be around tomorrow? |
| 22:40.46 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 22:41.03 | calamous_ | Jason1: When you ran cu -l /dev/ttySAC0 did youre's hang on connected or did it say that the AT inturpreter was ready? |
| 22:41.23 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 22:41.27 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 22:41.36 | ferric | is there a date on when the second batch of orders will start getting processed? |
| 22:41.38 | Jason1 | I dont remember. I did that once. |
| 22:41.49 | SpeedEvil | I was thinking of it in the context of multiple cards wired together,. |
| 22:41.57 | SpeedEvil | ferric: no. |
| 22:42.20 | ferric | sigh, all this excitement! :) |
| 22:42.29 | SpeedEvil | The inital batch of 1000 made was shipped in two batches of 500 to the US. |
| 22:42.41 | Jason1 | ferric: By time you get yours, we will have all the hard work done :) |
| 22:42.43 | ferric | SpeedEvil: right, and the first 500 seem to be over. |
| 22:42.55 | SpeedEvil | The arrival of the second 500 hasn't been noted. |
| 22:42.55 | ferric | Jason1: that's the exciting part, somewhat. |
| 22:42.59 | ferric | i mean, it's frustrating. |
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| 22:44.28 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 22:44.59 | freelock | Anybody know how to set the timezone? |
| 22:45.43 | SpeedEvil | It looks like 23/24th the majority of phones were going overseas. |
| 22:45.58 | SpeedEvil | CC charges that is. |
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| 22:46.28 | Jason1 | ferric: Make one of these to keep you company: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/2/27/Neo1973-doll.pdf |
| 22:46.33 | Jason1 | :) |
| 22:47.58 | Jason1 | proably cant ssh into it however... |
| 22:48.14 | SpeedEvil | The total number of orders that have been charged - assuming that all the RTs are orders - might not be far off 500 |
| 22:48.21 | SpeedEvil | s/orders/phones/ |
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| 22:50.08 | ferric | Jason1: rofl |
| 22:50.32 | SpeedEvil | The fact that up to 2464 the last ones all have comments about payment taken - and none after seems to me likely to indicate that the first 500 only have been processed. |
| 22:50.47 | ferric | SpeedEvil: yep. |
| 22:50.52 | ferric | (that's what i'm hoping, as well) |
| 22:51.36 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 22:55.18 | bhima | -sh-3.2# uname -a |
| 22:55.19 | bhima | Darwin Gopiballava's iPhone 9.0.0d1 Darwin Kernel Version 9.0.0d1: Tue May 22 21:15:55 PDT 2007; root:xnu-933.0.0.178.obj~3/RELEASE_ARM_S5L8900XRB iPhone1,1 Darwin |
| 22:56.18 | calamous_ | Jason1: I think I'm just going to buy a cheep prepaid sim card |
| 22:56.30 | freelock | That's a good idea... |
| 22:56.42 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2405 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.22.x/patches/ (5 files): Use better patch for MMC by Felix "nbd" Fietkau. |
| 22:57.19 | Jason1 | calamous_: yeah. I am going to try and avoid that... I dont really need to talk on both of them. |
| 22:58.42 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2406 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/defconfig-2.6.22.1-fic-gta01: Update defconfig to disable MMC debugging. |
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| 23:10.23 | gcb77 | Anyone in here trying to get the QEMU gadgetfs module working under Ubuntu 7.0.4? |
| 23:13.05 | gcb77 | I have instructions on how to build it on the wiki, but I need someone to verify |
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| 23:21.17 | roh | re |
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| 23:35.48 | calamous_ | Jason1: What network was your simcard? |
| 23:36.04 | calamous_ | I just bought a prepaid one but when I try to register it on the network it says I'm denied |
| 23:36.25 | andylockran | you may need to register |
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| 23:36.29 | andylockran | calamous_: where are you based? |
| 23:36.36 | calamous_ | Chicago |
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| 23:38.30 | andylockran | in the UK - we have to phone the provider of prepaid sims to get the activated |
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| 23:38.45 | andylockran | but yeah, phone system is the US is different so I probably can't help |
| 23:39.47 | daMaestro | yeah, i think i am going to get a pre-paid sim tonight |
| 23:39.59 | daMaestro | calamous_, what carrier? |
| 23:40.08 | daMaestro | (the whole wonderful choice of tmobile or att) |
| 23:40.33 | calamous_ | ATT |
| 23:40.46 | hads | At least you have a choice. We have one GSM provider :) |
| 23:40.50 | daMaestro | calamous_, did you buy a "kit" ? |
| 23:41.03 | calamous_ | I just bought a prepaid sim card and put it in my phone |
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| 23:41.10 | daMaestro | calamous_, from where? |
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| 23:41.16 | calamous_ | the local att store |
| 23:41.27 | daMaestro | oh, they should have activated it for you |
| 23:41.35 | daMaestro | did you just not want to show your neo? |
| 23:41.44 | calamous_ | Yes |
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| 23:41.53 | daMaestro | calamous_, the sim is supposed to be activated when you leave the store |
| 23:42.10 | calamous_ | Is there a "pin" assoiciated with a prepaid plan |
| 23:42.17 | calamous_ | because if there is I never got one of them |
| 23:42.28 | daMaestro | calamous_, i've not gotten any of the prepay accounts, yet |
| 23:42.35 | daMaestro | i'll get my phone tomorrow (according to ups) |
| 23:42.43 | don-o | calamous_: can you try the SIM in a different gsm phone? |
| 23:42.56 | daMaestro | calamous_, if you would also write up your expriences on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Carriers that would be awesome |
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| 23:45.45 | cesarb | calamous_: you could try putting the card into a friend's phone to see if it works |
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| 23:55.52 | duffyd | roh: yt? |
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| 23:59.36 | ryoohki | printing just worked |
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| 23:59.52 | ryoohki | it hung my browser for a long time( about 60 seconds) |