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| 00:15.00 | Risto | Hello all, |
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| 00:24.06 | Risto | next try ;-) I have a problem with building the 'openmoko-devel-image'. bitbake stops while compiling 'mtd-utils-native-1.0.0+git' because of problems with applying the necessary patches. Anybody out there who knows how to solve this issue?NOTE: build 200707250131: started |
| 00:24.07 | Risto | OE Build Configuration: |
| 00:24.07 | Risto | BB_VERSION = "1.6.9" |
| 00:24.07 | Risto | OE_REVISION = "<unknown>" |
| 00:24.07 | Risto | TARGET_ARCH = "arm" |
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| 00:38.26 | ferric | Risto: are you using mokomakefile? |
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| 00:39.41 | Risto | ferric: yep, but currently it is more trying then using ;) |
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| 00:47.29 | cesarb | Risto: diagnosing will be easier if you pastebin the relevant error messages |
| 00:47.53 | ferric | Risto: what platform? |
| 00:52.00 | unknown_lamer | ooo forums, now all of the lame nerds can scurry off and leave the list alone |
| 00:52.48 | Risto | ferric: http://pastebin.com/m297efa3b |
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| 00:56.58 | brandini | wow, where have I been! |
| 00:57.36 | unknown_lamer | the moon |
| 00:57.48 | brandini | so how does this work |
| 00:58.04 | brandini | build your own cell phone OS and connect the to wireless network of your choice? |
| 00:58.04 | aloril | Currently sold Neo1973 GTA01B_v04 (P1) doesn't have WiFi, GTA02 (P2) which is scheduled for October will have WiFi with free (libre) drivers (Atheros AR6K): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F |
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| 01:01.35 | sagaci2 | What's news here? |
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| 01:03.09 | SpeedEvil | ~news |
| 01:03.25 | SpeedEvil | http://bash.org/?785529 |
| 01:03.28 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 01:03.56 | sagacis | heh |
| 01:04.05 | sagacis | ~news |
| 01:04.11 | sagacis | That doesn't work for me either. |
| 01:04.16 | sagacis | P1_Owners won't save |
| 01:04.20 | sagacis | ~p1 |
| 01:04.20 | mokobot | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
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| 01:09.21 | SpeedEvil | ~ship is test |
| 01:09.21 | apt | okay, SpeedEvil |
| 01:09.21 | mokobot | SpeedEvil: okay |
| 01:09.44 | SpeedEvil | ~ship is Shipping today for domestic US orders, tomorrow for International. |
| 01:09.45 | apt | ...but ship is already something else... |
| 01:09.45 | mokobot | ...but ship is already something else... |
| 01:10.39 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> wiki.openmoko.org | Store: www.openmoko.com | Shipping today for US, tomorrow for rest of world for processed orders. |
| 01:11.10 | unknown_lamer | yay |
| 01:12.30 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> wiki.openmoko.org | Store: www.openmoko.com | Shipping today for US, tomorrow for rest of world for processed orders. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/008010.html (black/silver only, in order of RT) |
| 01:12.47 | sagacis | ~ship |
| 01:12.48 | apt | it has been said that ship is test |
| 01:12.48 | mokobot | hmm... ship is test |
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| 01:13.53 | sagacis | Grrr... I might be in the first batch, but won't know until later |
| 01:14.38 | SpeedEvil | ~help |
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| 01:26.20 | calamous_ | On the list people are talking about an ARE_YOU_SURE email? is that the same as the YES_I_DO? |
| 01:27.24 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: If its shipping today the 24, I should get it on the 25th right (im in the US)? |
| 01:27.32 | calamous_ | If I ordered next day |
| 01:27.35 | calamous_ | so that is tomorrow? |
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| 01:28.11 | sagacis | I don't think any shipped today, so tomorrow is the soonest |
| 01:28.24 | sagacis | Overnight would be Thursday. |
| 01:29.11 | calamous_ | Noo! I'm going away for 10 days on Thu and I was hoping to take my neo with me |
| 01:30.03 | SpeedEvil | calamous_: look at the URL |
| 01:30.20 | SpeedEvil | We`ll start to ship US domestic orders today (7/24), international |
| 01:30.39 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> wiki.openmoko.org | Store: www.openmoko.com | Shipping today(24/7) for US, tomorrow for rest of world for processed orders. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/008010.html (black/silver only, in order of RT) |
| 01:30.54 | brandini | Yay! |
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| 01:32.51 | sagacis | Updated title. Cool |
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| 01:34.10 | jackey | anyone here can tell me what is going on with my order? |
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| 01:39.23 | davel_ | I'm looking for some help fixing a MokoMakefile build that's dying at mtd-utils-native - any geniuses out there? |
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| 01:43.22 | Risto | davel_: same problem like this http://pastebin.com/m297efa3b |
| 01:43.35 | Risto | ? |
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| 01:44.37 | davel_ | Yup, that looks like it. |
| 01:46.26 | Risto | OK, you are not alone ... :) |
| 01:47.42 | davel_ | Groovy. I'm running Fedora 7 and I haven't found any real reports of success or failure. |
| 01:48.31 | davel_ | Is this the kind of thing I should just try updating in a couple of days and it will be magically fixed? |
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| 01:49.42 | cesarb | For me, it looks like the easiest way to workaround it would be to pin the revision of the git checkout of that package |
| 01:49.59 | cesarb | It seems to be tracking the master branch... Which means it can change unpredictably |
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| 01:51.57 | davel_ | I'm decent with svn, but I've never used git. I also have no idea what I'm doing with OE... Any quick and dirty hints? Copy and paste command lines would be nice... :) |
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| 01:53.42 | ZerothCloned | hey guys |
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| 01:54.23 | ZerothCloned | umm, who here has any experience with the MokoMakefile? |
| 01:54.54 | davel_ | Is it, by any chance, a patch failure on mtd-utils-native? |
| 01:55.00 | ZerothCloned | yep! |
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| 01:55.14 | ZerothCloned | You must be psychic Davel. ;) |
| 01:55.19 | sagaci1 | ZerothCloned: I ran it. No real experience |
| 01:55.20 | davel_ | Ok, well, you're not alone. |
| 01:55.43 | davel_ | I actually have no idea what I'm doing either - I asked the same question and got that response about 1.5 minutes ago. |
| 01:56.16 | ZerothCloned | Hmm, well, its dropped me to a shell to fix the patch rejects manually. Does anyone know what to do at that point? |
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| 01:56.52 | davel_ | It appears to be a bad commit - I'm trying to weazel a git command out of someone who knows that might fix it. |
| 01:57.28 | ZerothCloned | that would help. if you get anything, give me a shout Davel? |
| 01:57.32 | juri_ | tenzai jannai. |
| 01:57.50 | davel_ | Loudly. Out of curiosity, what distro are you using? |
| 01:57.59 | ZerothCloned | mepis |
| 01:58.04 | ZerothCloned | v6.5 |
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| 01:59.11 | davel_ | I'm on Fedora 7 and having the same thing on i386 and x86_64, so it's apparently widespread. |
| 01:59.58 | ZerothCloned | well, since its patches to source code, it likely isn't affected by architecture, or OS |
| 02:00.06 | daMaestro | davel_, i packaged up the qemu-neo1973 :-) |
| 02:00.10 | daMaestro | davel_, if you want it |
| 02:00.30 | daMaestro | davel_, it will be yumable when i get my device and have a need to package up openembedded also |
| 02:00.48 | davel_ | Gimme! |
| 02:00.58 | daMaestro | the 1973? |
| 02:01.12 | daMaestro | do you have a build system setup? or do you want binary? (what arch if so) |
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| 02:02.45 | davel_ | My build system is currently farked - binary would be great. If the package isn't gigantic, I'll take i386 and x86_64, but I'd be happy with just the i386 too. |
| 02:03.38 | ZerothCloned | *wonders idly just how many people are actually active here. |
| 02:03.47 | daMaestro | davel_, ok |
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| 02:08.25 | daMaestro | davel_, lol.. sorry.. ran out of space |
| 02:08.27 | ZerothCloned | so no one knows what happened with that commit, thats stopping mtd-utils from working? |
| 02:08.32 | daMaestro | davel_, had to init some more extents |
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| 02:08.47 | ZerothCloned | anyone know what the git command is to get the previous patches? |
| 02:09.40 | daMaestro | ZerothCloned, what do you mean? |
| 02:09.57 | daMaestro | ZerothCloned, move back in the tree? or move back for a certain file? or? |
| 02:10.26 | daMaestro | ZerothCloned, where is the tree located so i can clone it |
| 02:10.29 | ZerothCloned | well, it appears that a commit gave some bad patches, or bad source. Basically, just move back in the tree for the mtd-utils-native patches/source code. Whichever it is thats busted. |
| 02:10.48 | daMaestro | ZerothCloned, if you give me the location of the tree.. i can tell you ;-) |
| 02:11.05 | ZerothCloned | how do I find that out? |
| 02:11.11 | Risto | Whosoever is interested. A short look on code and patch - and it doesn't match :-( http://pastebin.com/m4e06d1a4 |
| 02:11.24 | daMaestro | ZerothCloned, how did you clone the tree? |
| 02:11.47 | ZerothCloned | I never have, just ran MokoMakefile. |
| 02:11.54 | daMaestro | ok.. so the clone is in mokomakefile |
| 02:11.56 | daMaestro | so hold on |
| 02:12.05 | ZerothCloned | however, at the point where the patches are to be applied to mtd-utils, half of them fail. |
| 02:13.15 | ZerothCloned | thanks Risto! That helps a lot. |
| 02:13.15 | jackey | What is going on with my order, anyone here can tell me if there is any way i can check my order status |
| 02:13.18 | daMaestro | davel_, http://repo.damaestro.us/fedora/personal/7/x86_64/qemu-neo1973-2386.svn-1.fc7.x86_64.rpm http://repo.damaestro.us/fedora/personal/7/x86_64/qemu-neo1973-2386.svn-1.fc7.src.rpm http://repo.damaestro.us/fedora/personal/7/i386/qemu-neo1973-2386.svn-1.fc7.i386.rpm |
| 02:13.23 | daMaestro | jackey, there is not |
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| 02:13.52 | daMaestro | davel_, basically.. install it.. and then: mkdir ~/something && cd ~/something && openmoko-download && openmoko-flash |
| 02:14.04 | jackey | daMaestro, it was unfair that people made order late than me got phones, but i did not/ |
| 02:14.15 | daMaestro | davel_, the openmoko-* scripts needs some work (well my patches do) because they currently like to litter `pwd` |
| 02:14.25 | daMaestro | jackey, what is your issue? |
| 02:14.31 | daMaestro | jackey, did you order an orange one or something? |
| 02:14.51 | daMaestro | i'm #1964 and i don't have my shipping information.... who go their phone? |
| 02:14.55 | daMaestro | no one that I know of |
| 02:15.00 | jackey | daMaestro, I said YES_I_DO three times |
| 02:15.12 | daMaestro | jackey, have you been billed? |
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| 02:15.20 | jackey | two times got email rejected, last time no return email, which means it should be ok |
| 02:15.20 | SpeedEvil | Nobody has a phone or shipping information |
| 02:15.33 | jackey | daMaestro, no |
| 02:15.57 | jackey | daMaestro, i have not been billed yet. I placed my order on July 9th |
| 02:16.32 | daMaestro | jackey, we are all not as happy as we could be with how things are going |
| 02:16.39 | daMaestro | jackey, but they *are* going |
| 02:17.08 | jackey | daMaestro, As I said, at least tell me if there is an issue with my order. |
| 02:17.23 | daMaestro | jackey, i don't know |
| 02:17.30 | jackey | i even do not know if my order was accepted or not. |
| 02:18.02 | daMaestro | ZerothCloned, ok.. reading the make file so i can find the tree... what file needs to be reverted? |
| 02:18.06 | jackey | daMaestro, i am hopeless here now |
| 02:18.08 | ZerothCloned | Jackey, just ease off, daMaestro has been helping us a lot. |
| 02:18.09 | daMaestro | ZerothCloned, or do you want to revert the whole tree? |
| 02:18.35 | ZerothCloned | umm, just the tree for mtd-utils-native and/or its patches. I think there was a bad commit somewhere. |
| 02:19.19 | jackey | ZerothCloned, yes He helps lots. But i am so disappointed. |
| 02:19.37 | jackey | really thanks for you guys |
| 02:19.58 | ZerothCloned | Hey, I can understand man, its an awesome phone. Its certainly worth waiting for. |
| 02:20.09 | jackey | there is nothing we can do about it. |
| 02:20.25 | ZerothCloned | daMaestro, would it help if pastebinned the text of the patches failing? |
| 02:20.28 | cesarb | ZerothCloned: if we hadn't to wait, it would be an even more awesome phone |
| 02:20.43 | davel_ | It's not only a development phone, it's a development order and shipping system too... It's the price of being bleeding edge. |
| 02:20.49 | jackey | ZerothCloned, i really worried about the future of OpenMoko |
| 02:21.07 | daMaestro | ZerothCloned, no, not really |
| 02:22.25 | daMaestro | grr... ZerothCloned grep git http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile returns nothing |
| 02:22.26 | jackey | ZerothCloned, i am worried about if openmoko can do a mass production right now. |
| 02:22.38 | daMaestro | jackey, no.. they can't |
| 02:22.46 | daMaestro | and this is not the mass market device either |
| 02:23.09 | daMaestro | ZerothCloned, i only see svn stuff |
| 02:23.10 | ZerothCloned | maybe this might help? http://pastebin.com/m11769b97 |
| 02:24.26 | ZerothCloned | correction: http://pastebin.com/m9c59180 |
| 02:24.28 | jackey | daMaestro, i am sucking on this issue now, we have a potential customer for a mass production. |
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| 02:24.38 | ZerothCloned | does that look like what you see davel? |
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| 02:25.29 | davel_ | ZerothCloned, yes, that's it. |
| 02:25.44 | cesarb | For all having problems with mtd, you could try adding ;tag=a6fa706fe9e7696b4b2045edf9698c3bac07e3e3 to the git URL in the problematic recipe... If it works, it should give you an older revision, which should work |
| 02:25.48 | encompass | Howdy everyone... do we have the gps system in the works now? For example, how are we going to handle the maps system and other what not? Are we using something as advanced as persay... gpsdrive? |
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| 02:26.15 | ZerothCloned | where do we add that cesarb? |
| 02:27.00 | jackey | daMaestro, anyway. really thx for your help. I am going to give last try and ask help from Sean. Then, i will switch to some other close platforms. |
| 02:27.11 | cesarb | ZerothCloned: I think in openembedded/packages/mtd/mtd-utils_1.0.0+git.bb |
| 02:28.13 | jackey | that is too sad we can not contribute to the project. We would do lots of work to make software stack mature. |
| 02:28.52 | cesarb | jackey: you can contribute using the emulator. it's not the same thing, but... |
| 02:29.18 | jackey | out of here, take care of guys. We will attend Linux World at San Franciso Aug 6-9, our booth L1420, ArcherMind Technology |
| 02:29.51 | SpeedEvil | Expecting the SDK to be bug-free at this point ... |
| 02:29.53 | jackey | cesarb, emulator can not everything |
| 02:30.19 | jackey | especially some commerical stack porting, for example HelloSoft voip stacks. |
| 02:30.54 | SpeedEvil | Post to the community list. |
| 02:31.00 | SpeedEvil | or dev |
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| 02:31.50 | jackey | bye, guys |
| 02:31.50 | daMaestro | ZerothCloned, well the command you are after is 'git checkout' |
| 02:32.07 | daMaestro | ZerothCloned, but i don't see where the tree is; so sorry |
| 02:32.07 | davel_ | daMaestro, that image is working great so far. I'm running it on a Celeron 1.8G, so it's still slooooowly booting... |
| 02:32.35 | daMaestro | davel_, yeah.. it's no speed demon on my 3.2G dual core ... :-/ |
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| 02:32.55 | daMaestro | but my laptop is 1.8GHz, and it runs ok |
| 02:33.04 | daMaestro | davel_, the first boot it has to do a lot more stuff |
| 02:33.36 | davel_ | daMaestro, still it's quick and easy and Just Works (tm). At least, so far. |
| 02:33.54 | daMaestro | as long as you don't screw up the screen calibration, it works fine |
| 02:34.08 | daMaestro | if you do.. rm -rf ~/something and start over |
| 02:34.08 | daMaestro | lol |
| 02:34.44 | cesarb | on a palm, you would do a hard reset, which would ask for the calibration again |
| 02:35.39 | encompass | for the touchscreen... is it a film that is over the top or a special sensitive device. |
| 02:35.41 | davel_ | Ah HAH! cesarb's suggestion did the trick. Update line 8 of openembedded/packages/mtd/mtd-utils_1.0.0+git.bb to read tag=a6fa706fe9e7696b4b2045edf9698c3bac07e3e3 and it patches cleanly and moves on. |
| 02:36.04 | SpeedEvil | encompass top |
| 02:36.25 | SpeedEvil | resistive touchscreen. |
| 02:36.41 | cesarb | davel_: cool |
| 02:36.49 | encompass | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 02:37.16 | cesarb | davel_: the theory was that it would force the revision to the same I used last time I built the tree ;-) |
| 02:37.29 | ZerothCloned | Thanks cesarb! |
| 02:37.32 | ZerothCloned | You are my hero! |
| 02:37.33 | cesarb | davel_: it depended on "tag=" meaning what I thought it meant |
| 02:38.06 | cesarb | (of course, since now you are pinned to a specific revision, you will not get updates to that package anymore... be sure to unpin it later) |
| 02:38.18 | davel_ | cesarb, care to add it to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile and take all the credit? |
| 02:38.37 | ZerothCloned | well, learned something new today. |
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| 02:38.45 | mokobot | Hallelujah! |
| 02:38.52 | ZerothCloned | lmao |
| 02:38.55 | ZerothCloned | holycow |
| 02:39.20 | holycow | zoinks! |
| 02:39.22 | cesarb | davel_: ok |
| 02:39.31 | holycow | hellow my mokomonkeys |
| 02:39.42 | encompass | howdy |
| 02:40.19 | holycow | how the moko is everyone? |
| 02:40.38 | SpeedEvil | Smurfing wonderful. |
| 02:40.45 | holycow | no no thats wrong |
| 02:40.52 | holycow | the correct reply is 'mokorrific' |
| 02:41.23 | Risto | Thanks Guys! You made my day ( and its quite early here in Germany :) |
| 02:41.35 | holycow | sure no worries |
| 02:41.40 | holycow | you are moko welcome |
| 02:41.46 | ozark2 | Are they shipping the blue ones yet? Did I miss something? |
| 02:42.17 | ZerothCloned | there are blue ones?! |
| 02:42.26 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 02:42.42 | SpeedEvil | Smurfs are blue. |
| 02:43.14 | cesarb | davel_: done, take a look to make sure it's what you did (as I'm too lazy to wait for things to compile on mine) |
| 02:43.39 | cesarb | ozark2: there are only silver/black and white/orange |
| 02:44.04 | cesarb | ozark2: thought I once spotted a "OLPC green"/white one on a concept drawing somewhere |
| 02:45.00 | holycow | who came up with the work moko? |
| 02:45.05 | cesarb | davel_: ok, now it's done ("loss of session data"... urgh) |
| 02:45.28 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: the wiki? |
| 02:45.51 | SpeedEvil | back, then click submit again may work |
| 02:46.03 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I know all these tricks, I'm a wikipedia admin ;-) |
| 02:46.09 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:46.27 | davel_ | cesarb, I was wondering why I didn't see anything. It looks great to me now. Congratulations, you have Made A Difference (tm) |
| 02:48.13 | ZerothCloned | agh! *realizes he has no space on the directory he /was/ using for MokoMakeFile, so now needs to restart /all/ over again in a different drive* |
| 02:50.42 | ZerothCloned | anyway, thanks guys! |
| 02:51.59 | davel_ | daMaestro, it came up and works great - you should really post that somewhere. It really turned an all-day thing into a 2 minute job for me. |
| 02:52.37 | daMaestro | davel_, i just need to fix up the patches ... i was thinking about using ~/.openmoko by default and then also allowing a user to pass a directory to the script |
| 02:52.47 | daMaestro | but it is too hacky to just pollute `pwd` |
| 02:52.58 | daMaestro | davel_, then i'll submit them to the fedora repo |
| 02:55.42 | daMaestro | i'd have to add openmoko-clean or something like that oo |
| 02:55.49 | daMaestro | s/oo/too/ |
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| 03:00.12 | davel_ | daMaestro, what would -clean do? Delete the .openmoko dir? |
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| 03:00.51 | daMaestro | yeah, basically |
| 03:01.57 | davel_ | daMaestro, Personally, I hate hidden files/directories. I'd just use ~/openmoko and let people manage them as they see fit. |
| 03:02.16 | daMaestro | ok, thanks for the input |
| 03:02.31 | daMaestro | i might actually require the user tell the script where it is allowed to work |
| 03:03.16 | davel_ | That's probably the best of both worlds. |
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| 03:03.46 | sagaci2 | I agree. Hidden directories fly in the face of openness |
| 03:05.09 | mrcucumber | Howdy, I've had an openmoko QEUM install for quite a while and I thought I should really get down to some hacking so today I tried to do an update to get the latest images before I try and make some changes |
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| 03:05.18 | davel_ | Well, it's not really anti-openness, since it's documented. It just makes tidying up more complicated. My home directory is a mess! |
| 03:06.09 | mrcucumber | after doing a make update, I tried to do a make flash-qemu-local and it failed with the error message : checking for WEBKITGTK... Package WebKitGdk was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 03:06.32 | davel_ | Hey guys, thanks. See-ya! |
| 03:08.01 | mrcucumber | any thoughts? |
| 03:10.27 | ajmitch | mrcucumber: I suspect we wait until it is added :) |
| 03:10.56 | mrcucumber | ajmitch: so I can't do any development until it gets updated? |
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| 03:11.18 | ajmitch | mrcucumber: I don't know, you may be able to force it back to an earlier revision |
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| 03:27.34 | DukeOfURL | the mail list has become really tedious |
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| 03:30.12 | sagaci1 | It's out of control |
| 03:30.22 | sagaci1 | gmail doesn't make it any easier |
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| 03:33.39 | trains | hi |
| 03:33.49 | DukeOfURL | hi |
| 03:33.59 | trains | any news about the orders? |
| 03:35.07 | encompass | bummer the neo won't be coming with 3G right away |
| 03:35.10 | trains | yes, but i don't got chaged yet |
| 03:35.14 | encompass | makes me think about waiting. |
| 03:35.58 | trains | i think i should have been already, i'm #2262 |
| 03:36.03 | DukeOfURL | baby steps, people, baby steps... |
| 03:37.14 | DukeOfURL | I'm 1970 and haven't heard a word |
| 03:38.38 | DukeOfURL | SpeedEvil: don't you ever sleep? |
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| 03:46.35 | Jason1 | trains: Will said today that if you have not been charged yet, then your devices is part of SH1-Part2 which will arrive in California next week |
| 03:53.51 | trains | yes, i read it, but i was hopping to have missread :) |
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| 04:11.58 | Jason1 | hehe |
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| 04:48.56 | mellon | is there a way to do the moral equivalent of a "make clean" in bitbake? |
| 04:53.30 | roh | -cclean |
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| 05:04.28 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 06:01.06 | happycube | argh - add_lzo.patch is breaking too |
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| 06:12.15 | ynezz | happycube: according to mailing lists you should just delete this patch |
| 06:12.29 | ynezz | should be upstream so no patching is needed... |
| 06:13.22 | ynezz | ah it was you posting :) |
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| 06:16.26 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03roh * r2388 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-power_control.patch: |
| 06:16.26 | CIA-24 | openmoko: this should fix a missing sysfs entry when using gllin on _old_ (pre gta01bv3) devices |
| 06:16.26 | CIA-24 | openmoko: thanks henryk |
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| 06:30.14 | empty_mind | is FIC hiring developers ? |
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| 06:32.32 | daxxar | empty_mind: http://www.openmoko.com/careers-index.html |
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| 06:32.57 | daxxar | empty_mind: But if you want to look into it, I think sending an email (and not asking on IRC) is the way to go. |
| 06:33.02 | roh | empty_mind we do.. on an case by case basis of course ;) |
| 06:33.11 | daxxar | (jobs@openmoko.com) |
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| 06:33.15 | roh | send a mail to jobs@ and be patient |
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| 06:33.30 | empty_mind | ok |
| 06:33.32 | duffyd | is anyone on the channel able to confirm if my order is still valid? |
| 06:33.44 | roh | currently there is a lot happening and it could take some time to answer all requests... generally speaking |
| 06:34.01 | empty_mind | roh, i can understand |
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| 06:34.11 | duffyd | just that all the order numbers around mine here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners have received order confirmation emails |
| 06:34.26 | duffyd | mine is #2018 |
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| 06:34.46 | empty_mind | duffyd, i think they are shipping all US based orders |
| 06:34.54 | duffyd | empty_mind: ahhhh |
| 06:35.06 | daxxar | duffyd: Have you gotten a "Payment received"-email? |
| 06:35.16 | duffyd | ic but I still haven't received an order confirmation. I noticed an australian has |
| 06:35.19 | empty_mind | duffyd, non US based orders will should start shipping ina day or two |
| 06:35.28 | duffyd | she's the next 2 numbers up from me |
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| 06:35.55 | empty_mind | duffyd, read the topic |
| 06:36.07 | duffyd | daxxar: sorry I meant I haven't received the 'payment received' email |
| 06:36.12 | duffyd | empty_mind: yup read it |
| 06:36.21 | duffyd | but my enquiry isn't related |
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| 06:36.32 | daxxar | duffyd: Then you should could perhaps privmsg roh. :-) |
| 06:36.39 | daxxar | s/should// |
| 06:36.42 | duffyd | daxxar: thanks :-) |
| 06:37.04 | daxxar | He might prefer to receive it per email, though, but have a try. :-) |
| 06:37.57 | duffyd | daxxar: thanks |
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| 06:41.45 | mdt | i try to get my gadgetfs up&running but encounter the error: "mount: unknown filesystem type 'gadget'" when mounting. in syslog i see "kernel: gadgetfs: USB Gadget filesystem, version 24 Aug 2004". any idea what's going wrong? |
| 06:42.10 | blindcoder | it's called 'gadgetfs' |
| 06:42.13 | blindcoder | not 'gadget' |
| 06:42.22 | mdt | i have kernel 2.6.21-2-686, debian unstable. the module dummy_hcd is missing. |
| 06:42.47 | blindcoder | and I think you need dummy_hcd |
| 06:42.51 | mdt | oh, sorry, wrong line: "mount: unknown filesystem type 'gadgetfs'". i checked wwithout fs |
| 06:42.54 | blindcoder | I've never actually used it, though. |
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| 06:43.03 | blindcoder | because the 'ifconfig usb0 up' locked up my machine |
| 06:43.06 | mdt | so how do you ssh into qemu? |
| 06:43.10 | blindcoder | not :-) |
| 06:43.36 | gcb77 | mdt: did you build your kernel? |
| 06:43.47 | mdt | no, it's the debian package |
| 06:44.03 | mdt | DUMMY_HCD is disabled there... |
| 06:44.17 | mdt | what is this hcd for? |
| 06:44.25 | guaqua | disabled or built as a module that's not in the default packahe? |
| 06:44.30 | gcb77 | you'll have to build new dummy_hcd and gadgetfs modules |
| 06:44.50 | gcb77 | then remove the already-built gadgetfs and net2280 modules |
| 06:44.56 | gcb77 | and replace them with yours |
| 06:45.20 | mdt | gcb77, okay, will try that... |
| 06:45.39 | mdt | guaqua, what do you mean 'not in the default package'? |
| 06:45.59 | guaqua | in the default kernel package |
| 06:46.30 | mdt | guaqua, what do you mean with 'default package'? |
| 06:46.38 | guaqua | there are all sorts of extra kernel modules in the normal package repositories - way easier to use them, if they provide the right modules |
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| 06:47.01 | guaqua | default as in what you have installed and what you use |
| 06:47.06 | mdt | guaqua, that are modules not in the linux source tree as far as i know |
| 06:47.35 | mdt | like slmodem, thinkpad, fglrx and so on |
| 06:48.03 | guaqua | debian kernel is not a vanilla kernel |
| 06:48.42 | guaqua | do you use testing? |
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| 06:49.09 | mdt | no, its not vanilla, it's chocolate ;) i use unstable |
| 06:50.18 | guaqua | that might be a place to look in: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=modules&searchon=all&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all |
| 06:52.18 | mdt | amarsh04, you don't need to. see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu |
| 06:52.40 | guaqua | it might be less time consuming to build your own kernel |
| 06:53.38 | mdt | guaqua, but i don't see gadgetfs there... |
| 06:53.51 | mdt | and: gadgetfs itself is in the kernelimage |
| 06:55.25 | amarsh04 | I regularly build kernels, but it takes 9 hours on a quiet PII-266 with 256 MiB RAM |
| 06:55.43 | amarsh04 | thanks mdt |
| 06:55.56 | guaqua | building qemu + openmoko takes an eternity |
| 06:56.03 | guaqua | at least on my duron 1600 |
| 06:57.28 | mdt | :D yes, and i had to fix 2 or three things in the middle of the build so it took 2 days.... |
| 06:58.45 | mdt | is there any docu about the gui in the wiki? i don't understand it... what is this wheel for? |
| 06:59.28 | vallor | mdt: I think the wheel is a scroll wheel |
| 06:59.49 | mdt | vallor, yes, thought so also.. hm. |
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| 07:10.27 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:16.42 | calamous_ | So did the neos ship? |
| 07:16.45 | ynezz | hm, it seems that it's evil gmail making that dupe posts |
| 07:16.54 | calamous_ | Cause yesterday was the 24th |
| 07:17.02 | calamous_ | and thas what the title says |
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| 07:47.07 | mokobot | Hello master |
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| 08:08.43 | ScaredyCat | someone or something has cmpletely knobbed up the mailing list |
| 08:11.23 | XorA | heh heh, whats happened? |
| 08:13.32 | koen | gmail is sending out a gazillion duplicates again |
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| 08:18.10 | hrw | according to one of emails openmoko mailserver also react in weird way during delivering posts |
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| 08:25.48 | koen | :0 Wh: msgid.lock |
| 08:25.48 | koen | | formail -D 8192 ~/Maildir/.msgid.cache |
| 08:26.08 | koen | I only hope the dupes occur withing 8k messages :) |
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| 08:27.13 | gamin | is there any news about the number of orders FIC does have and the number of available phones / upcoming production? |
| 08:27.18 | rwhitby | my understanding is that the openmoko mail server is telling other mail servers that it has rejected the message, yet is still delivering it internally. |
| 08:28.01 | gamin | s/number of orders /number of ordered phones/ |
| 08:28.03 | bug_ | hi |
| 08:28.24 | koen | rwhitby: like greylisting gone wrong? |
| 08:28.32 | hads | rwhitby: Unless it's a gmail thing, there seem to be issues with gmail and some list servers. |
| 08:29.36 | rwhitby | koen: I expect it's probably a load issue on the openmoko server. |
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| 08:30.12 | rwhitby | hads: there's reports from people who are not going through gmail, yet have their posts duplicated. Note even gmail apps domains. |
| 08:30.17 | rwhitby | s/Note/not/ |
| 08:30.21 | encompass | I can't create an account on the openmoko wiki.... is there something wrong with it? |
| 08:30.53 | encompass | and the webmaster contact that it links me to is the generic webmaster with no really addy there |
| 08:31.36 | blindcoder | koen: that's why I filter spam first and then do the rest :) |
| 08:31.48 | koen | blindcoder: same here :) |
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| 08:49.05 | ewanm89_laptop | jeddy3: Ae you talking about a neo order again? |
| 08:49.22 | jeddy3 | ewanm89_laptop, yes...still :) |
| 08:50.21 | ynezz | neverending story... |
| 08:50.41 | jeddy3 | indeed :) |
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| 08:51.58 | jeddy3 | just worried about how topic interpreted it to 25/7, when rather it could mean "wait until another day" |
| 08:53.18 | hads | So much negativity. |
| 08:53.27 | ynezz | there is "another day" in that post |
| 08:53.31 | ynezz | so it could be 25/7 |
| 08:53.57 | ynezz | dunno if some americans have UPS tracking numbers already |
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| 09:00.57 | ScaredyCat | it should be today for the rest of the planet - yesterday for usa |
| 09:01.55 | ScaredyCat | but.. now you've raised the concern jeddy3.. |
| 09:02.03 | ScaredyCat | gah curse you! |
| 09:02.57 | ScaredyCat | when do the first americans wake up? |
| 09:03.04 | ScaredyCat | 11am ? |
| 09:03.15 | jeddy3 | ScaredyCat, >:D |
| 09:11.38 | ScaredyCat | although technically... its really going to be tomorrow... |
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| 09:15.33 | xzcvczx | well 9am in california should be in about 7hrs |
| 09:15.39 | xzcvczx | i believe |
| 09:15.53 | xzcvczx | as its being distributed from california i think i read somewhere |
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| 09:31.34 | squalyl | hi everyone |
| 09:32.10 | squalyl | where can I find the EXACT list of at commands supported by neo's modem ? |
| 09:32.18 | squalyl | on the wiki? |
| 09:32.44 | squalyl | OK sorry I found it |
| 09:32.52 | ScaredyCat | add it to a bot :) |
| 09:34.11 | squalyl | hum |
| 09:34.20 | squalyl | I was expecting a full description of every commands |
| 09:34.30 | squalyl | even specific ones |
| 09:35.01 | ScaredyCat | it's in the 07.07 spec no |
| 09:35.01 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 09:35.07 | squalyl | yeah |
| 09:35.10 | squalyl | of course |
| 09:35.14 | ScaredyCat | http://www.ctiforum.com/standard/standard/etsi/0707.pdf |
| 09:35.22 | squalyl | I found it, ok |
| 09:35.32 | squalyl | are there specific commands ? |
| 09:35.47 | squalyl | I'm searching something to run the A3 algorithms on the sim etc... |
| 09:36.04 | squalyl | Think I'm dreaming |
| 09:36.09 | squalyl | :) |
| 09:36.11 | XorA | squalyl: careful with that |
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| 09:36.40 | squalyl | XorA: I know what I'm doing :) |
| 09:37.03 | squalyl | If there isn't, then UMA on OpenMoko will be totally out. |
| 09:37.16 | XorA | squalyl: the algorithms have a built in drop dead after X iterations, so dont brute them |
| 09:37.36 | squalyl | fine. |
| 09:37.46 | squalyl | But at least, is there a mean to run them? |
| 09:37.55 | squalyl | :) |
| 09:37.57 | XorA | squalyl: ca you send RAW GSM commands |
| 09:38.12 | squalyl | with neo's modem? |
| 09:38.18 | squalyl | where is the doc please? :) |
| 09:38.43 | XorA | no idea, but if you can send any command to the card using a modem command, then its an easy task |
| 09:39.01 | squalyl | hehe |
| 09:39.27 | florian | good morning |
| 09:39.36 | squalyl | good morning |
| 09:40.21 | ScaredyCat | libgsmd-tool -m atcmd |
| 09:40.29 | ScaredyCat | passes stuff through |
| 09:41.04 | squalyl | raw commands? |
| 09:41.15 | XorA | squalyl: do you know any GSM at all? |
| 09:41.21 | squalyl | not a lot |
| 09:41.30 | squalyl | I'm investigating possibilities now |
| 09:41.35 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Usage_of_atcmd_mode |
| 09:42.02 | squalyl | It's just a search of what is possible or not to get UMA on an open platform |
| 09:42.50 | XorA | squalyl: well then you probably need to know if you can send ISO7816 T0 commands with an AT command |
| 09:43.43 | squalyl | do you know if it's possible? |
| 09:43.55 | squalyl | :) |
| 09:44.00 | XorA | but not if you can do it from the wrong side of an AT command |
| 09:44.01 | koen | in SIMcity? |
| 09:44.06 | squalyl | :) |
| 09:44.32 | Stephmw | mornin' |
| 09:44.51 | koen | hey Stephmw |
| 09:44.55 | squalyl | hello |
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| 09:45.09 | mokobot | Hello master |
| 09:45.16 | squalyl | XorA: We have very little information about the calypso modem. |
| 09:45.52 | squalyl | XorA: if some command allows this, it will be undocumented :( |
| 09:46.07 | squalyl | I'm pretty sure OpenMoko UMA is dead with this modem |
| 09:46.50 | squalyl | ok :) |
| 09:47.11 | squalyl | UMA is a way to route GSM calls through IP networks |
| 09:47.24 | squalyl | to help unloading GSM base stations |
| 09:47.31 | squalyl | etc... |
| 09:48.09 | squalyl | It authenticates the mobile phone using IMSI + "EAP/SIM" authentication method to build an IPsec tunnel |
| 09:48.22 | squalyl | this is documented in 3GPP TS 43.318 |
| 09:49.22 | amarsh04 | look what carriers did with GSM-CTS - they don't want the handsets to reduce call revenue |
| 09:49.28 | squalyl | EAP/SIM relies on a MAC with a remote server that uses A3 algorithm in the sim. |
| 09:49.52 | squalyl | The goal is not to reduce cost for the user but to allow more users to use GSM things |
| 09:50.15 | squalyl | GSM base stations only supports a limited number of users simultaneouly |
| 09:50.23 | cjb_ie | maximising ARPU, that's what it's all about |
| 09:50.31 | squalyl | but using public IP networks has no limitations |
| 09:50.38 | squalyl | what is ARPU? |
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| 09:51.57 | ynezz | i think it's impossible with neo |
| 09:52.02 | ynezz | that UMA |
| 09:52.30 | squalyl | I think too |
| 09:52.37 | squalyl | but I want to be 100% sure :) |
| 09:52.41 | ynezz | calypso might be able to do it, but I thnik that the commands/specs are under NDA |
| 09:52.50 | ynezz | ask on mailing list |
| 09:53.07 | squalyl | OK |
| 09:53.41 | ynezz | there was some discussion about gsm chipset and NDA recently |
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| 09:54.10 | ynezz | i think, that somebody asked about that UMA also |
| 09:55.38 | squalyl | I followed the discussion about NDA |
| 09:56.14 | ynezz | and you know about some carrier which have publicly available access to UMA ? |
| 09:56.25 | ynezz | i think it's against their profit |
| 09:56.50 | ynezz | so I would be suprised if they'll allow it to anyone |
| 09:57.22 | ynezz | anyway make some wiki page about your research pls :) |
| 09:57.48 | squalyl | I will do that. I'm already writing something. |
| 09:57.55 | ynezz | nice, thanks |
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| 10:14.21 | squalyl | I wrote to the gsmd mailing list |
| 10:14.39 | squalyl | hope my french english is fully understandable :) |
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| 10:23.35 | ynezz | ah it was you before also :) |
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| 10:39.51 | JockeTF | Hello. |
| 10:50.22 | Obri | Hello World ;-) |
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| 10:57.55 | SpeedEvil | Calypso is basically completely in flash. |
| 10:58.08 | SpeedEvil | And completely flashable. |
| 10:58.17 | SpeedEvil | But with no docs |
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| 11:02.43 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - "completely flashable" sounds like brickable? ;) |
| 11:03.08 | inz | Elrond, no, it sounds "completely brickable" |
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| 11:07.28 | sagacis_ | Yay! Will Lai got my card charged! |
| 11:08.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 658 has been created by openmoko(AT)twiceasgood.net |
| 11:08.01 | cdbot2 | * * add_lzo.patch fails to apply cleanly to mtd-utils-native |
| 11:08.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=658 |
| 11:09.33 | inz | sagacis, it is rarely you see people that happy for losing money |
| 11:09.52 | thieb | indeed :-) |
| 11:10.20 | hrw | how many people already got phones? (from order) |
| 11:10.47 | sagacis_ | It's been a struggle. I'm glad that phase is over. |
| 11:10.59 | sagacis_ | Now, to get the phone shipped..... |
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| 11:12.23 | hrw | hej MDK |
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| 11:13.39 | SpeedEvil | It's flashable. |
| 11:13.57 | SpeedEvil | But simply not available. |
| 11:14.09 | SpeedEvil | The way to flash it. |
| 11:14.20 | SpeedEvil | And it's probably encrypted and signed. |
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| 11:15.56 | Stephmw | and... I can't really think of a reason why someone would want to reflash it with a homegrown one |
| 11:16.01 | Elrond | The next interesting question is: Is it readable? ;o) |
| 11:16.06 | aloril | has it shipped for anybody yet? in ML it was said that it shipped to USA, but don't see any mention of anybody getting tracking number |
| 11:16.45 | SpeedEvil | Stephmw: configurability. Also moving some policy into the modem. |
| 11:17.01 | SpeedEvil | For example, list of callers numbers to ignore, list to wake phone on. |
| 11:17.05 | Elrond | Stephmw - Yeah, right. But being able to install the updated gsm firmware wuld be nice. |
| 11:17.09 | FuzzyCat | is anyone in the us awake yet? |
| 11:17.14 | koen | disable FOTA.... |
| 11:17.29 | Elrond | fota? |
| 11:17.42 | Kero | SpeedEvil: list to wake phone on? how would it be asleep and make that check? :) |
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| 11:17.56 | koen | Elrond: Flash Over The Air |
| 11:18.04 | Elrond | Ahh, fota. |
| 11:18.04 | SpeedEvil | Kero: the modem only being on. |
| 11:18.16 | koen | the operator can reflash your firmware for you, wirelessly |
| 11:18.16 | FuzzyCat | moda fota |
| 11:18.16 | SpeedEvil | Kero: it's got quite an adequate CPU on it. |
| 11:18.24 | Elrond | Hmm, make silent sms not any more silent? ;-) |
| 11:18.59 | SpeedEvil | That sort of thing. |
| 11:19.39 | Kero | SpeedEvil: cute. can the Neo do that, too? |
| 11:19.44 | SpeedEvil | In principle. |
| 11:19.54 | SpeedEvil | However, you can't reflash the modem. |
| 11:19.55 | SpeedEvil | So no. |
| 11:20.24 | ewon | some sim cards (like some dual sim adaptors) add an extra menu to your phone - anyone know if the moko can / does support this? |
| 11:20.44 | ewon | I have a dual sim adaptor in my 6230i for taking advantage of various offers the network operators have |
| 11:20.44 | SpeedEvil | You can AIUI send commands to the SIM |
| 11:20.47 | ynezz | is that flash somehwere for download? |
| 11:20.59 | SpeedEvil | ynezz: no. |
| 11:21.04 | Elrond | As I understand it, we can use some crazy heuristics on the TA02, because it has an ampermeter "modem taking too much power for no obvious reason, cutting power" ;o) |
| 11:21.07 | SpeedEvil | ynezz: basically it's TI internal only. |
| 11:21.31 | SpeedEvil | ynezz: and only available only in binary encrypted form even to large users |
| 11:21.45 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, TI has to make any mods you want. |
| 11:21.45 | ynezz | ah |
| 11:22.10 | LarstiQ | sagacis_: update P1_Owners already ;) |
| 11:22.19 | ynezz | SpeedEvil: and do you know what process is needed to upload the new flash into modem? |
| 11:22.20 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - I vaguely remember, laforge got the devel kit for that part? |
| 11:22.50 | ewon | I remember reading about him having to port some heinous windows-only devtool for it |
| 11:22.56 | SpeedEvil | ynezz: that's also private - you can't even release the specs of the tool to flash it. |
| 11:23.15 | SpeedEvil | And yes, there is an opensource tool to flash them inside FIC which they can't release. |
| 11:23.30 | ynezz | i don't want to flash it, i just want to read that flash back :p |
| 11:23.39 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2389 10/trunk/oe/conf/distro/include/preferred-openmoko-versions.inc: |
| 11:23.39 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * Pin down the rss-reader version until #648 is fixed properly. I would wait |
| 11:23.39 | CIA-24 | openmoko: until oe sync instead pulling all the webkit stuff plus deps into our overlay. |
| 11:23.44 | SpeedEvil | It's almost certainly encrypted. |
| 11:23.49 | SpeedEvil | And hashed. |
| 11:23.57 | sagacis_ | LarstiQ: I did. Do you not see my entry? |
| 11:24.09 | ynezz | so it's decrypted on the fly? |
| 11:24.50 | SpeedEvil | It's pretty standard to write an encrypted blob into the device, which gets decrypted based on keys already loaded into it - in the last firmware. |
| 11:24.51 | Elrond | encrypted using tea ;o) |
| 11:25.11 | ynezz | i prefer cofee with milk and 2 sugars |
| 11:25.23 | ewon | feh |
| 11:25.26 | ewon | black or not at all |
| 11:25.27 | SpeedEvil | And have only a way to checksum the existing firmware, not to download it. |
| 11:26.03 | Elrond | So we need a quantum analyser to read the flash. ;o) |
| 11:26.15 | SpeedEvil | Or rubber hose crypto. |
| 11:26.32 | LarstiQ | sagacis_: it updated, thanks! |
| 11:27.03 | ynezz | or send neo to Dejan with some bucks... |
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| 11:27.17 | ewon | ah yes, rubber-hose crypto. Now that's a module I'd enjoy in a comp sci degree. |
| 11:27.20 | Elrond | ynezz - dejan? |
| 11:27.26 | ynezz | famous unlocker |
| 11:27.31 | XorA | ewon: which end of hose? |
| 11:27.48 | ewon | XorA: giggidy |
| 11:28.01 | Jeroen | LarstiQ: how is the order going? |
| 11:28.07 | SpeedEvil | 'Hose selection'. 'Length of hose'. 'Frequency and amplitude of application'. |
| 11:28.10 | LarstiQ | Jeroen: hasn't moved any yet.\ |
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| 11:30.24 | Dmitry_Platonov | also, we need hose accessory for neo 8) |
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| 11:32.07 | Elrond | Dmitry_Platonov - Hi. BTW: Is you first name "Dmitry" or "Dmirty"? (You use the later in your mail From:) |
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| 11:36.21 | Dmitry_Platonov | Heh, sounds like a typo. Dmitry is my name. |
| 11:36.50 | ynezz | tracking number anyone? :p |
| 11:37.05 | Fatal | not I :/ :) |
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| 11:39.26 | ynezz | calypso? :) |
| 11:39.31 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 11:39.46 | SpeedEvil | They only send you samples of that if you can demonstrate that you are a suitable customer. |
| 11:40.05 | SpeedEvil | Which basically means you need to tell them how many million phones you sold last year. |
| 11:40.27 | ynezz | via ebay? :p |
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| 12:03.45 | ScaredyCat | 'Smoke free compliance officer' has just turned up... |
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| 12:05.17 | Sup3rkiddo | what the heck is a smoke free compliance manager |
| 12:06.24 | inz | "Smoke free", does that mean you should be able to smoke freely? |
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| 12:06.55 | Dmitry_Platonov | free yuor smoke |
| 12:07.32 | Dmitry_Platonov | s/yuor/your/ |
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| 12:08.39 | XorA | ScaredyCat: in england by any chance? |
| 12:08.48 | ScaredyCat | yah.. |
| 12:08.58 | XorA | ScaredyCat: we used to it all in Scotland |
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| 12:15.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] [[Removal_of_free_space]] [[Stylus_mount]] [[Ambient_light_sensor]] [[Square_case]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Wishlist:Extension_Framework]] [[Wish_List]] |
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| 12:17.37 | XorA | SpeedEvil: Ive been reminding you for months that you live just north of me :-) |
| 12:18.25 | SpeedEvil | Where are you again? Edin? |
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| 12:22.19 | XorA | SpeedEvil: work in Edin, live in West Lothian |
| 12:24.25 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 12:29.11 | XorA | ~lart smdk2440 |
| 12:29.12 | apt | squishes smdk2440 like a bug |
| 12:30.39 | hrw | can someone kill that mokobot? |
| 12:31.25 | Dmitry_Platonov | ~lart mokobot |
| 12:31.25 | apt | whips out a shotgun, trudges over to mokobot, and goes postal |
| 12:31.51 | Dmitry_Platonov | it hurts |
| 12:32.42 | ScaredyCat | moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko moko mushroom mushroom |
| 12:33.05 | Stephmw | 'shrooms? where? where? |
| 12:33.21 | ScaredyCat | ovr there... on the stair... |
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| 12:35.48 | SpeedEvil | Ended up with shards of CD embedded 1cm deep in plasterboard. |
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| 12:37.01 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 12:37.13 | ScaredyCat | il est arrive? |
| 12:37.19 | Jason1 | Drum roll please..... |
| 12:37.25 | Jason1 | [rt.internal.openmoko.org #1820] Order shipped: OpenMoko direct order |
| 12:37.31 | ScaredyCat | w00t |
| 12:37.39 | Jason1 | [Wild Applause] |
| 12:37.41 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
| 12:37.44 | ScaredyCat | update wiki update wiki update wiki update wiki |
| 12:37.52 | ScaredyCat | tracking number ? |
| 12:38.08 | Jason1 | Best thing, it shipped YESTERDAY!!!! It will be delivered TODAY!!!!!! |
| 12:38.21 | blindcoder | hah, you wish |
| 12:38.25 | ScaredyCat | is it still in memphis ? |
| 12:38.27 | Jason1 | 1Z5VX0380150731095 |
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| 12:38.48 | Jason1 | believe it, baby |
| 12:39.16 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> wiki.openmoko.org | Store: www.openmoko.com | First orders have shipped yesterday - (24/7) for US, tomorrow for rest of world for processed orders. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/008010.html (black/silver only, in order of RT) |
| 12:39.18 | ScaredyCat | out for delivery |
| 12:39.31 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> wiki.openmoko.org | Store: www.openmoko.com | First orders have shipped yesterday - (24/7) for US, today for rest of world for processed orders. http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/008010.html (black/silver only, in order of RT) |
| 12:39.33 | ScaredyCat | you do realise that 341 people just tracked it :) |
| 12:39.53 | blindcoder | hardly |
| 12:39.58 | blindcoder | there's at least two bots here |
| 12:40.02 | blindcoder | so 339 people ;) |
| 12:40.08 | Stephmw | I didn't bother |
| 12:40.17 | Jason1 | LOL. I am sooooo excited. |
| 12:40.35 | ScaredyCat | naa, they're tracing it too |
| 12:40.39 | blindcoder | now UPS will hold it back because of the huge interest in the tracking |
| 12:40.45 | Jason1 | Just got out of bed 15 minutes ago, check my email, and have a have from them at 05:58am |
| 12:41.05 | blindcoder | they must assume it's a bomb now and take it back for proper inspection (ie: take apart) |
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| 12:41.19 | Jason1 | blindcoder: that would be my luck |
| 12:41.26 | Stephmw | I thought they just destroyed suspect packages these days? |
| 12:41.32 | SpeedEvil | Jason1: are you in IL? |
| 12:41.41 | ScaredyCat | Bedford |
| 12:41.44 | Jason1 | SpeedEvil: Yeah, southwest suburbs |
| 12:42.12 | ScaredyCat | did america steal ALL town names from the uk ? |
| 12:42.25 | Jason1 | ScaredyCat: probably :) |
| 12:42.27 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: yup |
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| 12:42.36 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: and not just from the UK |
| 12:42.45 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: there's a Moscow as well |
| 12:42.56 | Jason1 | Anybody else get shipping confirmation yet? |
| 12:43.04 | ScaredyCat | http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/hall/8701/townname.htm |
| 12:43.08 | SpeedEvil | Canada has a Dildo. I'm unsure where they got that from. |
| 12:43.24 | Jason1 | FYI: [rt.internal.openmoko.org #1820] Resolved: OpenMoko direct order |
| 12:43.24 | Jason1 | According to our records, your request has been resolved. If you have any |
| 12:43.24 | Jason1 | further questions or concerns, please respond to this message. |
| 12:44.49 | Jason1 | Picture of me w/ my new Neo: http://www.chooseopen.com/gollum-OpenMoko.jpg |
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| 12:46.30 | aloril | in sort: "web-over-phone" ie.. you ring to certain phone number and it will read to you web page(s) and you can follow links, fill forms and submit them, etc.. |
| 12:46.51 | ScaredyCat | 0870 number !! |
| 12:47.10 | aloril | yeah, I guess that means its UK only? |
| 12:47.25 | aloril | its meant for blind persons ;-) |
| 12:47.39 | FuzzyCat | http://www.saynoto0870.com/ |
| 12:50.26 | cjb_ie | some 0870 numbers work as +44870 from non-uk |
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| 12:50.39 | dcordes | hi |
| 12:51.59 | ewanm89_laptop | cjb_ie: Yeah, at a lot greater price |
| 12:53.07 | cjb_ie | well, what do you expect, it's an international call then |
| 12:53.36 | Jason1 | well guys, I gotta go to work. My package is being delivered there. I will be back here once the UPS man arrives! |
| 12:53.50 | XorA | heh heh |
| 12:54.20 | aloril | cjb_ie: well, this number doesn't work it seems |
| 12:54.26 | aloril | Jason1: cool! |
| 12:55.38 | aloril | (+448702220000) |
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| 12:59.58 | SpeedEvil | Good luck! |
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| 13:00.51 | SpeedEvil | Doing it is trivial. |
| 13:01.00 | SpeedEvil | Making it actually work well is decidedly not. |
| 13:01.11 | aloril | right, thus '' ;-) |
| 13:01.14 | ScaredyCat | being arsed to to it is even harder |
| 13:01.17 | SpeedEvil | Having a human on the end could help lots. |
| 13:01.25 | SpeedEvil | One of the possible apps for OLPC. |
| 13:01.39 | ScaredyCat | slave googlers? |
| 13:01.44 | SpeedEvil | Pretty much. |
| 13:01.57 | SpeedEvil | A) dollar a day in factory. |
| 13:02.11 | aloril | well.. didn't get chance to test, but description sounds like it could be used to for example fetch wikipedia article or do google search or check latest news |
| 13:02.37 | SpeedEvil | B) 25c/hour for easy work that can be done after-school. |
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| 13:02.54 | SpeedEvil | And help with english too. |
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| 13:03.45 | raynet | woot, my order has been shipped |
| 13:03.54 | Ganneff | poor order :) |
| 13:03.59 | raynet | lol |
| 13:04.01 | raynet | my bad |
| 13:04.07 | raynet | i was too quick |
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| 13:04.24 | raynet | argh |
| 13:04.52 | raynet | why why would someone send their shipping confirmation to the mailinglist, had to check the ticket number to realise it wasnt mine |
| 13:05.15 | raynet | and for a second or two i was SOOOO happy |
| 13:05.34 | ynezz | you have UPS tracking number? |
| 13:06.53 | raynet | ynezz: no, false alarm |
| 13:06.55 | raynet | *sigh* |
| 13:07.51 | ynezz | ah, it seems #1820 have the neo at home already :) |
| 13:07.54 | ynezz | cool |
| 13:07.58 | ScaredyCat | jason1 |
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| 13:11.35 | raynet | ynezz: only shipped |
| 13:11.52 | raynet | i hope postal service loses that package |
| 13:11.57 | ynezz | :) |
| 13:11.58 | raynet | for getting my hopes up |
| 13:12.24 | ynezz | it could happen even with UPS? |
| 13:12.46 | Kero | sprinkle some dust on it |
| 13:12.48 | Kero | white dust |
| 13:12.54 | XorA | UPS sucks ass |
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| 13:13.49 | ynezz | I've never had any problems with them (if I don't take price into account) |
| 13:13.53 | raynet | hah, i am not the onlyone who thought FIC had confirmed of their neo shipping |
| 13:15.27 | raynet | he should have used reply instead of copy-paste so there would have been easier to see it wasnt "real" |
| 13:15.35 | sandos | mmm |
| 13:15.50 | Kero | besides, I'm not USA, so I'll have to wait a day :) |
| 13:15.56 | ScaredyCat | ***SPAM*** geosynchronous tomato |
| 13:16.40 | Kero | would spam assassin be assassinated by a geosynchrous killer tomato? |
| 13:16.46 | ScaredyCat | s/a day/until another/ |
| 13:16.58 | ScaredyCat | day |
| 13:17.10 | Kero | aye |
| 13:17.12 | ScaredyCat | well, it might... |
| 13:17.28 | Kero | and another, since the shipping is over longer distance |
| 13:17.38 | ScaredyCat | yes... |
| 13:17.41 | raynet | and weekend comes, so 2 more days |
| 13:18.03 | ScaredyCat | so you won get it until monday... at best |
| 13:18.22 | ScaredyCat | still... |
| 13:18.23 | Kero | not the whole weekend, at least |
| 13:18.44 | ScaredyCat | they appear to be aiming for an order to delivery time of less than a month |
| 13:18.58 | ynezz | I don't get the forum vs lists thread |
| 13:19.04 | cjb_ie | ScaredyCat: this is reminiscent of the old sinclair days |
| 13:19.23 | ScaredyCat | :SD |
| 13:19.27 | raynet | ynezz: i got it in multiple copies :)) |
| 13:19.49 | ScaredyCat | the list is a bit buggered with dupes |
| 13:19.52 | raynet | each message was repeated 4-8 times |
| 13:19.58 | ynezz | only from google |
| 13:20.04 | ynezz | evil gmail |
| 13:20.06 | ynezz | :p |
| 13:20.07 | buz | gmail seems buggy |
| 13:20.08 | raynet | noh, there we messages not from google too |
| 13:20.12 | ScaredyCat | amateurs |
| 13:20.21 | buz | raynet: those are gmail for your domain |
| 13:20.29 | raynet | aaah |
| 13:20.30 | ynezz | you can configure mailman to filter such dupes |
| 13:20.31 | raynet | that explains |
| 13:20.43 | ynezz | maybe we should let admin know via bugzilla |
| 13:20.58 | buz | maybe provide config patch lol |
| 13:21.02 | ynezz | lol |
| 13:21.19 | raynet | someone said that the openmoko mailserver was acting slightly out of RFC |
| 13:21.40 | buz | half of the net breaks rfc822 |
| 13:21.43 | raynet | which causes gmail to resend the message |
| 13:21.44 | buz | mostly it's the spammers fault |
| 13:22.45 | raynet | first spam landed in roswell |
| 13:23.51 | buz | i thought ancient egypt |
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| 13:29.54 | raynet | ah, i must remember to order a toolkit so i can connect my neo to my car |
| 13:30.09 | raynet | wanna see my OBD-II data in realtime |
| 13:30.21 | ScaredyCat | roflmao |
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| 13:30.32 | ScaredyCat | odbII is *not* realtime |
| 13:30.41 | raynet | there are some realtime streams there |
| 13:31.03 | ScaredyCat | it's nly updated about once a second (max) |
| 13:31.10 | raynet | that is realtime |
| 13:31.20 | ScaredyCat | no it's not |
| 13:31.21 | buz | for human consumption, that is realtime, yes |
| 13:31.22 | koen | just like gps |
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| 13:31.52 | raynet | realtime has no maximum time interval requirement, even data points that come once a year can be realtime |
| 13:32.12 | buz | realtime sort of suggest continous data |
| 13:32.23 | raynet | well, it is |
| 13:32.36 | raynet | just is sampled every 1 sec |
| 13:32.37 | buz | nearly ALL data out there really is discrete |
| 13:32.41 | koen | realtime in the digital domain? |
| 13:32.50 | raynet | how that is different from every 0.1sec or every 0.0000001 sec |
| 13:32.56 | ScaredyCat | if you want to believe that 1 update a second is realtime, you believe it.. just remember - it's not |
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| 13:33.12 | buz | raynet: it isnt, neither is true realtime |
| 13:34.45 | buz | (tho some would define realtime as guaranteed to be fast enough for the application in question, i guess) |
| 13:34.55 | raynet | as it should |
| 13:35.00 | Kero | buz: I'm one of those. |
| 13:35.17 | buz | its quite sensible, imho |
| 13:35.18 | Dmitry_Platonov | realtime = bound latency |
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| 13:36.02 | Kero | picking up a phone call is (soft) realtime. |
| 13:36.03 | keesj | I guess 1 sec is a bit laggy for speed etc |
| 13:36.09 | Kero | you have ten seconds or so :) |
| 13:36.31 | buz | keesj: actually it's not, many analog speedometers have worse lag than that |
| 13:37.12 | keesj | probably true |
| 13:37.18 | buz | projecting speed onto the windshield would be neat |
| 13:37.31 | ScaredyCat | you can |
| 13:37.38 | buz | in a corvette, yes |
| 13:37.52 | ScaredyCat | there was a review of some bluetooth gps thing that you can fit |
| 13:37.55 | ScaredyCat | simple |
| 13:38.13 | buz | projecting is the hard part, not gathering the data |
| 13:38.37 | ScaredyCat | I just said you can buy it now |
| 13:38.43 | ScaredyCat | a little device.. |
| 13:38.51 | ScaredyCat | givs gps too iirc |
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| 13:39.00 | buz | name? |
| 13:39.09 | duffyd | roh: ping |
| 13:39.36 | ScaredyCat | http://www.digitalreviews.net/reviews/navigation/globaltop-bluetooth-hud-gps-hg-100-speed-meter-reviewed-pa.html |
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| 13:40.28 | bug_ | scaredycat: i've it seen on the cebit 07 |
| 13:40.45 | buz | ideally i'd want it to do gps as well |
| 13:40.51 | buz | or rather navigation display |
| 13:41.21 | raynet | *sigh* only 3 digits, what if i wanna drive faster than 999mph |
| 13:41.30 | keesj | I don't know how good python is runnint on openmoko, but the maemo has a nice looking OBD-II displayer http://www.maemo-apps.org/content/show.php/Carman?content=55136 |
| 13:41.43 | buz | 100$ seems cheap |
| 13:42.49 | koen | keesj: the carman people want to have it on the neo as well :) |
| 13:43.50 | keesj | k-s rulez bigtime ! |
| 13:44.16 | raynet | just need to add view for acceleration sensors |
| 13:44.49 | buz | mhh the one there works with plain leds |
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| 13:44.56 | keesj | raynet: are angles also supported? |
| 13:44.58 | buz | maybe you could convince neo to do it, too? |
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| 13:45.14 | buz | but probably not bright enough |
| 13:45.52 | raynet | keesj: dunno, havent read yet how the sensors work |
| 13:48.58 | Stephmw | raynet: check out the entry on the wiki, SpeedEvil spent a good while putting the accelerometer info up there |
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| 14:04.45 | squalyl | snif cant find where packages gets included in the rootfs :( |
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| 14:06.53 | abraxa_ | squalyl: Tried task-openmoko.bb already? |
| 14:07.28 | squalyl | no, this may be what i'm searching |
| 14:10.02 | squalyl | yes |
| 14:10.03 | squalyl | so |
| 14:10.28 | squalyl | if I want to include my package, I must add it to DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS in build/conf/local.conf |
| 14:11.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2390 10/trunk/oe/packages/mtd/ (11 files in 2 dirs): * Copy over all mtd-utils stuff from OE.dev. Fixes #658 |
| 14:12.53 | squalyl | what about using distcc to speed up openmoko build? :D |
| 14:13.22 | stefan_schmidt | squalyl: People use it for generix OE already. |
| 14:13.35 | stefan_schmidt | squalyl: Search on the openembedded.org website |
| 14:13.36 | squalyl | ok :) |
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| 14:15.48 | mokobot | Please don't let this man torture me. |
| 14:15.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[SH1_FAQ]] [[User:Samon007]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Wish_List]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Ede]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[User_talk:Emdete]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Duesseldorf]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Duesseldorf]] [[Wishlist:ExpansionSpacer]] and other changes |
| 14:16.24 | dtx | Wow they're shipping? |
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| 14:18.53 | ozark1 | dtx: And now we have nothing to talk about... |
| 14:19.03 | ozark1 | ...at least until boxes start to arrive. |
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| 14:24.04 | cjb_ie | ewon: in black and silver, or white and orange? |
| 14:24.08 | ewon | anyone reckon the GTA02 would be powerful enough to run a megadrive / genesis emu |
| 14:24.21 | ewon | cjb_ie: get out |
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| 14:25.21 | dtx | I have a gp2x |
| 14:25.46 | dtx | I have 3 |
| 14:26.47 | dtx | 3 GP2Xs that is |
| 14:26.55 | empty_mind | they dont ship gp2x in my country |
| 14:27.07 | dtx | What country is that and why? |
| 14:27.09 | empty_mind | s/in/to |
| 14:27.12 | empty_mind | India |
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| 14:27.28 | empty_mind | India is not listed in the shipping preferences |
| 14:27.31 | dtx | You can't special order it or anything? |
| 14:27.42 | raster | BOOYAH |
| 14:28.14 | dtx | Oh wait, no I only have 1 GP2X and 3 Zaurus SLC-1000 |
| 14:29.18 | koen | hey raster |
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| 14:29.43 | dtx | BTW, I'm sure GTA02 will be powerful enough to run Genesis emu if its optimized for ARM |
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| 14:29.57 | raster | koen: moo |
| 14:29.59 | XorA | dtx: GTA02 will outclass gp2x |
| 14:30.00 | dtx | I was running emulators on my old P2-300 |
| 14:30.03 | koen | raster: I bet you already saw http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/2007/07/24/iphone-like-virtual-keyboard-for-n800/ |
| 14:30.08 | dtx | P2-200 I mean |
| 14:30.12 | dcordes | dtx, what do you do with 3 akitas? |
| 14:30.14 | XorA | dtx: and picodriver is cool on gp2x |
| 14:30.18 | raster | koen: yup |
| 14:30.19 | dcordes | dtx, interested in a 4th? |
| 14:30.20 | dcordes | :) |
| 14:30.22 | raster | koen: seen it running |
| 14:30.35 | raster | koen: i actually have some ideas for a smaller kbd for the moko |
| 14:30.42 | raster | that might be a bit harder to learn |
| 14:30.48 | k-s[WORK] | koen: liked it? :-) |
| 14:30.49 | raster | but should make much better use of space |
| 14:30.52 | raster | and still be driven by thumbs |
| 14:31.05 | koen | k-s[work]: very much |
| 14:31.22 | k-s[WORK] | koen: you should have pavel to strip it to its need |
| 14:31.34 | dtx | dcordes: I had a project were I used them to record data from multiple devices out in the field |
| 14:31.38 | k-s[WORK] | koen: he wanted a nice keyboard these days |
| 14:31.44 | roch | hiho |
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| 14:32.24 | dtx | I got the GP2Xs because they are cheaper and therefore easier to pitch to customers, but we let the project stagnate and I haven't ported my software over to it |
| 14:32.30 | dtx | yet |
| 14:32.32 | roch | when this phone will be available to public ? |
| 14:32.32 | aloril | roch: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 14:33.02 | raster | should have a vkbd that makes use of big buttons for "hit detection |
| 14:33.04 | raster | with thumbs |
| 14:33.05 | raster | BUT |
| 14:33.07 | dtx | BTW, I didn't think the Neo is more powerful than GP2X, 2X is dual processor I believe |
| 14:33.10 | raster | also makes use of sliding |
| 14:33.13 | raster | for example |
| 14:33.17 | raster | u have a big key] |
| 14:34.04 | raster | +---+ |
| 14:34.04 | raster | | A | |
| 14:34.04 | raster | |DEB| |
| 14:34.04 | raster | | C | |
| 14:34.04 | raster | +---+ |
| 14:34.12 | raster | you press your thumb down |
| 14:34.14 | raster | and just release |
| 14:34.17 | ewon | some kind of touch-screen T9 could work |
| 14:34.19 | raster | you get "E" |
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| 14:34.39 | raster | press and SLIDE thumb up, then release - you get "A" |
| 14:34.43 | raster | drag right - you get B |
| 14:34.47 | raster | drag down - u get C |
| 14:34.51 | raster | left - D |
| 14:34.53 | raster | for example |
| 14:35.06 | k-s[WORK] | raster: have you tried typing with my vkbd on your n800? with type hinting (to enlarge click area) and correction, it would rock |
| 14:35.07 | raster | i am unsure of if this will work well |
| 14:35.15 | raster | but it is bett than t9 |
| 14:35.16 | mintee | any new shipping info? |
| 14:35.18 | k-s[WORK] | but surely doesn't fit openmoko screen |
| 14:35.20 | raster | add in auto-prediction |
| 14:35.42 | raster | k-s[WORK]: no- haven't :( |
| 14:35.46 | raster | it won't fit |
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| 14:35.48 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2391 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01.inc: |
| 14:35.48 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * Use ${OBJCOPY} instead of hardcoded arm-linux-objcopy. Patch from Cesar |
| 14:35.48 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Eduardo Barros <cesarb@cesarb.net> closes #647. Thanks. |
| 14:35.48 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (This is already in OE.dev so no problem with the sync) |
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| 14:35.55 | raster | for the n800 that kbd it good |
| 14:36.01 | raster | except it uses a tonne of screen space |
| 14:36.02 | dcordes | how is the merge with OE going on? |
| 14:36.06 | raster | mmuch less space for text/apps |
| 14:36.08 | k-s[WORK] | koen: any idea if newer hardware will have screen not "inset"? that looses a bit of touch area |
| 14:36.52 | raster | yeah |
| 14:36.54 | raster | the inset sucks |
| 14:36.59 | raster | the n800 is much better there |
| 14:37.00 | k-s[WORK] | raster: yes, but you can type really fast, so it's good :-) |
| 14:37.02 | raster | though it sstill inset |
| 14:37.10 | raster | k-s[WORK]: yeah - thats good |
| 14:37.17 | raster | i want to try this idea of press+drag |
| 14:37.19 | stefan_schmidt | dcordes: Mostly done. But besides the sync we also do some other stuff at the same time. |
| 14:37.26 | duffyd | hi anyone here able to confirm if my order is still 'valid'? |
| 14:37.27 | raster | maybe just have 4 directions |
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| 14:37.33 | koen | k-s[WORK]: no idea |
| 14:37.43 | raster | up, down, left, right drag |
| 14:37.47 | raster | and no drag == auto-guess |
| 14:37.52 | raster | based on dictionary match |
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| 14:38.02 | duffyd | bbl |
| 14:38.04 | dcordes | stefan_schmidt, good to hear ^^ I believe you are very busy - keep up the good work |
| 14:38.08 | raster | so u can do 4 keys per button |
| 14:38.09 | k-s[WORK] | raster, koen: maybe you could push a plain (non-inset) screen |
| 14:38.32 | raster | k-s[WORK]: have u seen the new irivier mp3 players? |
| 14:38.34 | k-s[WORK] | raster: great idea |
| 14:38.36 | stefan_schmidt | dcordes: ATM it's ok. August will be hard. |
| 14:38.40 | k-s[WORK] | raster: no, I haven't |
| 14:39.15 | aloril | raster: read this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Spell_weaving |
| 14:39.15 | dcordes | stefan_schmidt, because of phase2 preparation? |
| 14:39.23 | dtx | What is that accessibility program where you just keep zooming in on the correct letters which form dictionary words on the right side |
| 14:39.35 | dtx | to replace typing |
| 14:39.48 | raster | aloril: nup. wiki is big |
| 14:39.49 | raster | :) |
| 14:39.51 | ScaredyCat | predictive text? |
| 14:39.57 | stefan_schmidt | dcordes: No, getting stuff for P1 owners into shape. |
| 14:40.08 | drath | dtx: dasher? |
| 14:40.12 | dtx | bingo |
| 14:40.15 | dtx | thats the one |
| 14:40.17 | stefan_schmidt | dcordes: I don't work on P2 stuff atm |
| 14:40.26 | dtx | Would the screen be too small for that |
| 14:40.39 | raster | multitouch relies on multiple touch sensor hw |
| 14:40.44 | raster | i inderstand that isnt cheap |
| 14:40.51 | raster | ALSO its actually kind of hard to do in X |
| 14:40.57 | dtx | MPX |
| 14:41.01 | raster | i know |
| 14:41.09 | raster | and it requires apps specifically be modified for it |
| 14:41.18 | raster | as the paradigm in x has always been just 1 core pointer |
| 14:41.18 | dtx | Yeah, but that isn't really a surprise |
| 14:41.26 | koen | yay |
| 14:41.34 | koen | openmoko-rssreader works with webkit: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/41276146a3d53af5741d119a5c6f2b59.png |
| 14:41.37 | aloril | raster: yeah, but I believe that even single touch allows fast input (as shorthand in paper world demonstrates) |
| 14:41.38 | raster | i know a lot of my own code will be really scrwwed with 2 pointers |
| 14:41.41 | raster | as it ASSUMES 1 |
| 14:41.43 | koen | (that's on an ipaq, not a nea) |
| 14:41.48 | raster | it needs work |
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| 14:42.38 | dtx | raster what projects are you involved with? |
| 14:42.52 | raster | e |
| 14:43.25 | dtx | I see |
| 14:43.39 | dtx | I though I've seen your nick somewhere |
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| 14:43.58 | raster | i hang around like a bad smell |
| 14:43.59 | raster | :) |
| 14:44.16 | raster | hmm |
| 14:44.19 | k-s[WORK] | ahahah |
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| 14:44.27 | dtx | Of course, raster is a pretty common term in CS anyways |
| 14:44.27 | raster | weaving thing doesnt look practicalk for a screen the size a phone has |
| 14:44.29 | guaqua | raster: are you planning on porting & developing e17 for openmoko? |
| 14:44.32 | raster | or complex |
| 14:44.37 | k-s[WORK] | koen: are you paying someone to do webkit dev? |
| 14:44.42 | aloril | (200wpm possible with shorthand) |
| 14:44.59 | koen | k-s[WORK]: zecke is doing a google SoC on webkit |
| 14:44.59 | raster | guaqua: is the sky blue? do i like beer? |
| 14:45.02 | stefan_schmidt | k-s[WORK]: Google pays zecke for the webkit gtk stuff. :) |
| 14:45.08 | guaqua | raster: good :) |
| 14:45.18 | koen | k-s[WORK]: and colabora pays alp to work on it as well |
| 14:45.20 | k-s[WORK] | koen: webkit + gtk? |
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| 14:45.25 | koen | yes |
| 14:45.25 | guaqua | raster: actually the best news since i found this project :) |
| 14:45.44 | raster | already added some start of support |
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| 14:45.52 | k-s[WORK] | raster: I'd like to write webkit + efl :-) |
| 14:45.52 | raster | a layotu moduel that forces windows to be "fullscreen" |
| 14:45.58 | raster | and dialgos always to be centered |
| 14:46.05 | raster | (and main windows to be borderless) |
| 14:46.24 | raster | started moving config dialogs into pluggable moduels so specific config dialogs can replace them for screen space limited devices |
| 14:46.25 | raster | etc. |
| 14:46.31 | k-s[WORK] | raster: that layout mode sucks for FM windows! I cannot close them |
| 14:46.34 | raster | k-s[WORK]: go for it - though you will have some trouble |
| 14:46.45 | raster | 1. it seems to be built on an immediate rendering model |
| 14:46.46 | roch | what is openmoko cpu comparable to ? |
| 14:46.58 | raster | that means draw line, paste text,m draw box, paste bitmap etc. |
| 14:47.01 | k-s[WORK] | raster: I know, just trying to get it approved (at least analysis of how easy/hard would be) |
| 14:47.02 | aloril | raster: limited screen size is problem, but still I believe decent speed is possible with suitable 'system' |
| 14:47.24 | raster | aloril: it is a limitation - need to work within it |
| 14:47.37 | raster | also if the input mechanism is TOO strange - it will be hard to learn and peole just will hate it |
| 14:47.44 | raster | no matter how "fast" it is ONCE you learn it |
| 14:47.47 | raster | learn from dvborak |
| 14:47.50 | raster | dvorak |
| 14:47.52 | k-s[WORK] | raster: ah, I don't mean to just use it as a Evas_Smart, but draw to another buffer and use it as EFL component, first class, like Image |
| 14:47.56 | raster | it may be faster than qwerty |
| 14:47.58 | raster | but it failed |
| 14:48.04 | raster | you need something that is easy to pick up |
| 14:48.07 | raster | obvious to learn |
| 14:48.11 | raster | doesnt need "training" |
| 14:48.13 | SpeedEvil | Today I got at lidl for 14.99 (the offer started on monday) a 80cm satellite dish. |
| 14:48.16 | SpeedEvil | (UK) |
| 14:48.19 | raster | AND is usable and fast |
| 14:48.32 | raster | k-s[WORK]: oh sure - that;s possible |
| 14:48.40 | SpeedEvil | Planning on using for GPS experiments, and later long distance wifi |
| 14:48.49 | raster | k-s[WORK]: i want to add proper pluggable moduels for "first class objects" |
| 14:48.57 | raster | like evas_image, rect, poly, line etc. |
| 14:48.58 | ewon | SpeedEvil: nice |
| 14:49.05 | SpeedEvil | 80cm |
| 14:49.12 | raster | so evas's basic object types can be extended by pluggable modules |
| 14:49.23 | ewon | I've seen point to point wifi stuff that uses sat dishes alright |
| 14:49.25 | SpeedEvil | Insanely enough, they are not selling satellite recievers, so they are going slowly :) |
| 14:49.26 | k-s[WORK] | raster: probably you'll need jose work to abstract render primitives out of canvas |
| 14:49.44 | raster | k-s[WORK]: did u see the recent mails on that? |
| 14:50.01 | raster | vincent is intending to split that out |
| 14:50.47 | dtx | Is there graffitti support? |
| 14:51.03 | SpeedEvil | dtx: no. |
| 14:51.18 | SpeedEvil | dtx: practically none of the software is written yet. |
| 14:51.40 | SpeedEvil | dtx: basic features are being worked on before nice stuff like alternate input systems generally. |
| 14:52.04 | raster | yeah |
| 14:52.09 | raster | like being able to make and recieve phone calls |
| 14:52.10 | raster | :) |
| 14:52.11 | aloril | raster: yes, making it fast and easy to start is hard thing: it might be that fastest method will always remain 'hidden advanced user option' |
| 14:52.25 | guaqua | predicting the words the user is going to write is the most important thing in my books |
| 14:52.37 | guaqua | no matter what the input method is, it's still slow |
| 14:52.41 | raster | al sure- in the future i think something like the openmoko phone and anything else truly open can provide LOTS of input systems |
| 14:52.42 | mjr | I see Harald has another gpl-violations win |
| 14:52.48 | raster | choose the one you like best |
| 14:53.01 | raster | because its open you can even help improve the one you like |
| 14:53.04 | raster | or write a new one |
| 14:53.06 | guaqua | noticed that one too, congrats to harald :) |
| 14:53.15 | raster | as long as there is space to ship lots of them - lots can come on by default |
| 14:53.17 | SpeedEvil | Or implement patented ones for your own use. |
| 14:53.20 | raster | they can also be added by packages later |
| 14:53.21 | raster | BUT |
| 14:53.28 | raster | in the end the DEFAULT will need to be a compromise |
| 14:53.32 | raster | between "easy to learn" |
| 14:53.40 | raster | "easy and fast to use" |
| 14:53.51 | raster | and probably will need to make sure it doesnt violate patents |
| 14:54.05 | guaqua | qwerty keyboard is the safest chocie |
| 14:54.10 | mjr | raster, yeah |
| 14:54.15 | raster | guaqua: you cant fit a qwerty on the screen |
| 14:54.17 | raster | thats the bigt problem |
| 14:54.21 | raster | well not fit AND use thumbs |
| 14:54.24 | raster | or fingers |
| 14:54.29 | dtx | well, at least not with being able to actually read it |
| 14:54.35 | mjr | patents are a bitch; luckily joe random developer of _addon_ input systems can probably pretty much ignore them |
| 14:54.39 | raster | so i believ the default will be a "somewhere in between" thing |
| 14:54.40 | guaqua | raster: finger use is a problem, yes |
| 14:54.54 | raster | mjr: bingo |
| 14:55.09 | raster | mjr: so if joe dev wasnts to add in their own package repo |
| 14:55.19 | raster | and then everyone3 can just download his input system package |
| 14:55.20 | raster | great! |
| 14:55.24 | ScaredyCat | ~can i has a tracking number |
| 14:55.25 | mokobot | No. |
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| 14:55.42 | raster | the os should make it trivial to add new package repositories |
| 14:55.47 | dtx | Resisting urge to mess with bots.... |
| 14:55.50 | raster | hopefulyl at the clikc of a few buttons |
| 14:55.51 | raster | eg |
| 14:55.57 | raster | browser openmoko.net |
| 14:56.09 | *** join/#openmoko ScaredyCat (n=andy@81-187-78-211.multithread.co.uk) |
| 14:56.15 | raster | some special on-line pge or an app that collects information from a central on-line "list" of repositories |
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| 14:56.22 | raster | and then just select it to add to your list |
| 14:56.30 | ScaredyCat | oops... wrong x |
| 14:56.35 | radiorental | I had my cc company call me about a potentially nefarious charge to my card for 309 (the cost of the neo + shipping) I said it was OK, but now the charge never made it through ARRGG!! |
| 14:57.04 | Stephmw | radiorental: yeah, and it sucks that you can't pre-authorise a charge |
| 14:57.43 | dtx | I believe you can by posting your full credit card info on here, and then typing '/me pays for moko.' |
| 14:57.45 | mjr | hm, 'cause FIC is so suspicious a company? |
| 14:58.09 | raster | FIC |
| 14:58.10 | dtx | s/moko/Neo/ |
| 14:58.14 | raster | sounds like a bunch of gansters |
| 14:58.17 | raster | sounds like a bunch of gangsters |
| 14:58.18 | raster | :) |
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| 14:58.48 | mjr | "Those FICcing bastards" |
| 14:58.57 | raster | k-s[WORK]: http://www.iriver.com/product/p_detail.asp?pidx=82 |
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| 14:59.27 | radiorental | fwiw I'm working on an improved finger input method, the full spec should be out by friday.. here's a page on the finger menu instance http://web.mac.com/pauric_ocallaghan/openmoko_fingernav.jpg |
| 14:59.31 | raster | http://www.iriver.com/product/p_detail.asp?pidx=78 |
| 14:59.37 | raster | those irivers are COOL |
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| 14:59.45 | raster | tyhe screen is not touch |
| 14:59.51 | raster | but its glossy and slightly rounded out |
| 14:59.57 | raster | if u press the screne it pushes in with a click |
| 15:00.02 | hena | mmh, raster |
| 15:00.07 | raster | its got button actuators BEHIND the screen |
| 15:00.11 | raster | so it feels clicky |
| 15:00.21 | raster | also the S10 is tiiiiiny |
| 15:00.28 | raster | hena: burrp |
| 15:00.29 | SpeedEvil | You can only do 4 or so buttons that way though |
| 15:00.37 | raster | i know |
| 15:00.42 | raster | BUT |
| 15:00.45 | raster | if u add a touch screen |
| 15:00.58 | raster | AND you now need to actually PRESS the screen in to do a CLICK |
| 15:01.00 | raster | you can do |
| 15:01.04 | raster | 1. mouse moves WITHOUT dragging |
| 15:01.17 | raster | (moving the finger just moves the mouse - so to speak - no clicks) |
| 15:01.20 | SpeedEvil | Problem is the screen is quite heavy. |
| 15:01.26 | raster | u need to actuall press it down to get a click |
| 15:01.31 | raster | hjmm |
| 15:01.32 | SpeedEvil | And mounting it on buttons is not trivial. |
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| 15:01.38 | raster | it didnt feel that heavy when i played with it |
| 15:01.48 | raster | sure - moutnign them is not easy |
| 15:02.01 | raster | but it'd give a lot more room for input |
| 15:02.26 | raster | as you basically have 2 levels of "click" |
| 15:02.26 | SpeedEvil | The touchscreen in the neo prolly weighs 40g. |
| 15:02.26 | raster | currently u have only 1 |
| 15:02.43 | SpeedEvil | Drop it - at 100g, and you need to hold 4Kg of force. |
| 15:03.03 | SpeedEvil | Without the mounting fracturing. |
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| 15:03.37 | raster | if you make the buttons lighter u need less force |
| 15:03.44 | SpeedEvil | err - no. |
| 15:03.46 | raster | mounting is an issue |
| 15:04.07 | SpeedEvil | The mounting has to hold the force and distribute it evenly over the LCD when it's dropped. |
| 15:04.15 | SpeedEvil | This is quite hard. |
| 15:04.25 | raster | dunno abotu the exact mechanics |
| 15:04.26 | raster | but yes |
| 15:04.27 | SpeedEvil | Also, you now have a gap round the screen, which needs sealed. |
| 15:04.31 | raster | a press anywhere has to distribute evenly |
| 15:04.49 | radiorental | and a four way scroll widget, http://web.mac.com/pauric_ocallaghan/openmoko_fingernav_scroll.jpg does anyone know if there's someone else working on improving the finger wheel widget? |
| 15:04.56 | raster | iriver seem to have managed it |
| 15:05.09 | SpeedEvil | it's a bit harder with a touchscreen. |
| 15:05.31 | SpeedEvil | It's not impossible. It adds weight, ... |
| 15:05.42 | raster | sure |
| 15:05.44 | raster | understood |
| 15:05.51 | raster | and adds more mechanical parts that can break |
| 15:06.01 | raster | which i think is more of a concern |
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| 15:06.42 | SpeedEvil | The ideal would be to delete the touchscreen membrane and add a vibrator to move the screen. |
| 15:07.00 | SpeedEvil | You then read the touch point by reading the forces on the display. |
| 15:07.28 | SpeedEvil | There are vandal resistant displays that do this. |
| 15:07.29 | raster | and how do u intend to read the forces? :) |
| 15:07.48 | SpeedEvil | There are off-the-shelf solutions - though again added expense. |
| 15:07.53 | SpeedEvil | Strain guages, ... |
| 15:08.05 | dtx | Completely off-topic: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070724-intel-open-sources-multicore-programming-tool.html |
| 15:08.44 | calamous_ | So did the neos ship out today the 25th or yesterday the 24th (the caption says 24, but the P1 owners page says 25) |
| 15:08.58 | ewon | different dates for US vs non-US shipping |
| 15:09.00 | ewon | iirc |
| 15:09.33 | calamous_ | ewon: for the US people |
| 15:09.48 | calamous_ | 2 US people report ship date as the 25th |
| 15:09.56 | raster | SpeedEvil: depends on cost. buttons are off-the-shelf parts too |
| 15:10.03 | raster | plentiful and cheap |
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| 15:10.28 | SpeedEvil | Well, yes. |
| 15:10.48 | SpeedEvil | The force-monitoring solution could have multiple benefits though. |
| 15:11.16 | raster | it could |
| 15:11.17 | SpeedEvil | Scratchproof display as you can now use a diamond-faced display. |
| 15:11.19 | raster | like how much force |
| 15:11.25 | SpeedEvil | Force-sensitive. |
| 15:11.33 | jeddy3 | oh, the rss+webkit thingie looks sweet! |
| 15:11.35 | raster | or use: |
| 15:11.37 | raster | http://www.shieldzone.com/?gclid=COeRh-7lpI0CFQaNbgodJ1N_0w |
| 15:12.05 | raster | but having a flush screen |
| 15:12.06 | raster | not inset |
| 15:12.20 | raster | with a tough protective layer lets you make a sexier design |
| 15:12.38 | SpeedEvil | The problem is. |
| 15:12.57 | SpeedEvil | REsistive touchscreens are thin plastic films. |
| 15:13.03 | SpeedEvil | You can't really hard-coat it. |
| 15:13.28 | SpeedEvil | If you can go to glass, then daiamond-coated glass is readily available. |
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| 15:13.44 | SpeedEvil | This is a phone that you can put in your pocket with keys. |
| 15:14.10 | raster | sure |
| 15:14.16 | raster | as is that invisible chield thing |
| 15:14.24 | raster | some composite that does a similar job |
| 15:14.30 | SpeedEvil | Right. |
| 15:14.33 | raster | either way |
| 15:14.34 | SpeedEvil | If you believe it. |
| 15:14.34 | raster | same resul;t |
| 15:14.42 | raster | shiny glossy glass-like screen surfacer |
| 15:14.46 | raster | maybe entire phone surface |
| 15:14.52 | raster | and almsot impossible to scratch |
| 15:15.07 | raster | so the thing stays shiny |
| 15:15.08 | raster | :) |
| 15:16.09 | Elrond | Are you again planning for SAW? |
| 15:16.20 | raster | i'd love to see the traditions toushc-screen look and feel bite the dust |
| 15:16.36 | juri_ | the biggest question i have about the openmoko: will it blend? |
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| 15:16.46 | raster | juri_: probably |
| 15:16.52 | raster | the plastic is thick |
| 15:16.56 | raster | lots of it to blend up |
| 15:17.05 | duffyd | hello again. Just a re-post of a question I had earlier - anyone here can confirm my order is still valid? |
| 15:17.26 | raster | duffyd: dunno |
| 15:17.29 | squalyl | nooooo |
| 15:17.35 | radiorental | duffyd: I doubt -anyone- can confirm that, here or in 'fic' |
| 15:17.38 | Elrond | blend? |
| 15:17.39 | squalyl | OM won't blend |
| 15:17.40 | squalyl | :( |
| 15:17.43 | ChooseOpen | IT'S HERE! IT'S HERE! IT'S HERE! IT'S HERE! IT'S HERE! IT'S HERE! IT'S HERE! |
| 15:17.51 | ChooseOpen | My Neo arrived!!!!! |
| 15:17.53 | minime | :) |
| 15:17.55 | radiorental | barsteward! |
| 15:17.57 | ewon | ChooseOpen: \o/ |
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| 15:18.11 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2392 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01.inc: * Remove bashism from linux-gta01.inc (Also commited to OE.dev, no sync problem) |
| 15:18.11 | compbrain | ChooseOpen: when'd it ship? |
| 15:18.13 | duffyd | ok, was just wanting to see if it is still in the issue collector |
| 15:18.23 | ChooseOpen | compbrain: yesterday |
| 15:18.59 | jeddy3 | grats jason1 |
| 15:19.12 | ChooseOpen | I so excited!!! |
| 15:19.21 | duffyd | ChooseOpen: makes me wanna move to US ;-) |
| 15:19.24 | squalyl | :) |
| 15:19.27 | juri_ | bricking in 3.. 2.. 1.. |
| 15:19.31 | Elrond | jeddy3 does neo crime? ;) |
| 15:19.32 | juri_ | :) |
| 15:19.39 | jeddy3 | :) |
| 15:19.40 | squalyl | juri_: :D |
| 15:19.57 | compbrain | ChooseOpen: Pictures would be dandy, if you feel the itch |
| 15:19.58 | Elrond | jeddy3 - Take pics of the packaging :) |
| 15:20.03 | Elrond | HUh, |
| 15:20.07 | Elrond | ChooseOpen - Take pics of the packaging :) |
| 15:20.15 | squalyl | is it the first one? |
| 15:20.22 | ScaredyCat | jason1 |
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| 15:20.42 | ChooseOpen | Yup, first one. |
| 15:20.50 | squalyl | congrats :) |
| 15:20.55 | squalyl | we need pics :) |
| 15:21.00 | ChooseOpen | ScaredyCat: Yeah, it me :) |
| 15:21.13 | jeddy3 | oh, the working day just begun in California =) |
| 15:21.23 | ChooseOpen | How the hell does the battery cover open???? |
| 15:21.30 | ScaredyCat | ahhh.... fake names now eh ;) |
| 15:21.32 | marccc | :D |
| 15:21.44 | ChooseOpen | ScaredyCat: hehe. |
| 15:21.48 | jeddy3 | the battery is non-replaceable, like iphone x) |
| 15:21.51 | ScaredyCat | updated the wiki yet ? |
| 15:21.57 | Elrond | ChooseOpen - Check "disassembling neo" ;-) |
| 15:21.58 | ChooseOpen | inserting battery |
| 15:22.04 | stefan_schmidt | ChooseOpen: Use your fingernail carefully |
| 15:22.12 | stefan_schmidt | ah, to late |
| 15:22.17 | ScaredyCat | who did that fingernav thing ? |
| 15:22.29 | stefan_schmidt | ChooseOpen: It will only have bootloader, no kernel, no rootfs |
| 15:22.31 | Elrond | Hi stefan_schmidt ! :) |
| 15:22.41 | marccc | any one running a gps with maps yet? |
| 15:22.44 | stefan_schmidt | ChooseOpen: Read about DFU-Utils in the wiki to flash this |
| 15:22.47 | stefan_schmidt | hi Elrond |
| 15:22.55 | ScaredyCat | pfft he's has to wait so long you'd expect a full working os on it |
| 15:23.01 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 15:23.21 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Huh, no gllin shipped? |
| 15:23.27 | ChooseOpen | stefan_schmidt: Really? |
| 15:23.29 | ScaredyCat | http://web.mac.com/pauric_ocallaghan/openmoko_fingernav.jpg <--- |
| 15:23.36 | ScaredyCat | who dun dat? |
| 15:23.57 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: not yet |
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| 15:24.00 | koen | pauric O'callaghan I'd guess |
| 15:24.06 | stefan_schmidt | ChooseOpen: really |
| 15:24.13 | ScaredyCat | who tf is that |
| 15:24.18 | ChooseOpen | My first observation is htat the SIM cover sucks :) |
| 15:24.40 | stefan_schmidt | ChooseOpen: If your boot a kernel that's one of the devices they tested with software. Most should be without. |
| 15:24.44 | ScaredyCat | pictures or it didn't happen |
| 15:24.46 | stefan_schmidt | ChooseOpen: It does indeed. |
| 15:25.09 | zecke | ah you decided to leave them unflashed? |
| 15:25.12 | zecke | awesome :) |
| 15:25.17 | radiorental | ScaredyCat: me dun that, work in progress |
| 15:25.33 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: It's a developer device... |
| 15:25.41 | ScaredyCat | implement please |
| 15:25.42 | radiorental | me not happy with two types of apps 'finger' & 'stylus' |
| 15:25.51 | stefan_schmidt | Anyway, time for food. later |
| 15:26.00 | radiorental | me spec, me not coder, me designer |
| 15:26.02 | ScaredyCat | it seems like a good solution |
| 15:26.06 | ChooseOpen | OK, got hte SIM and battery in :) |
| 15:26.17 | ScaredyCat | pictures |
| 15:26.18 | ScaredyCat | pictures |
| 15:26.25 | radiorental | yeah, it should resolve a lot of the issues with the current finger widget |
| 15:26.26 | ScaredyCat | you should be documenting this |
| 15:26.27 | mjr | two types ok, but basic calling/addressbook/stuff needs to be finger-navigable |
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| 15:27.06 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: I like that. People could flash windows mobile, Plan9, OpenBSD if they want to. They don't have to fix up anything |
| 15:27.15 | radiorental | mjr: my suggestion will allow finger scrolling and element selection in the Styluys apps |
| 15:27.41 | Elrond | zecke - can win mobile be booted from u-boot? ;o) |
| 15:27.57 | radiorental | http://web.mac.com/pauric_ocallaghan/openmoko_fingernav_scroll.jpg |
| 15:28.15 | ChooseOpen | Damn, I wish I would have brought my laptop to work. |
| 15:28.27 | ScaredyCat | call yourself a geek... |
| 15:28.28 | ScaredyCat | pfft |
| 15:28.45 | radiorental | hey, cant be a jack of all trades!! |
| 15:28.57 | zecke | Elrond: no, but parot might... |
| 15:28.59 | squalyl | bye guys, time to get back home ! |
| 15:29.31 | zecke | Elrond: it is like OLPC and the LinuxBIOS, M$ bricking devices because they try to install a legacy bios |
| 15:29.42 | jeddy3 | ChooseOpen, yeah excactly, you are supposed to be a geek? :) |
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| 15:30.13 | Elrond | zecke - Huh? I don't really get you. |
| 15:30.44 | radiorental | ScaredyCat: try this on for geekyness: http://web.mac.com/pauric_ocallaghan/pauric_net/files/projects_router.htm |
| 15:30.48 | zecke | Elrond: don't worry |
| 15:31.11 | radiorental | hardware design baby! |
| 15:31.17 | ScaredyCat | I wasn't haveing a dig at you radiorental, it was at ChooseOpen |
| 15:31.25 | radiorental | ohh (o; |
| 15:31.47 | ScaredyCat | I I remember tthat;;; |
| 15:32.00 | ScaredyCat | you built it? cool |
| 15:32.56 | ScaredyCat | now, will you be making me a wooden neo case :) |
| 15:33.22 | jeddy3 | i like the idea about scrolling, radiorental. Scrollbars is useless on a "pda" |
| 15:33.25 | Elrond | Anyway, getting home now. |
| 15:33.51 | radiorental | thanks, I like designing. So, if anyone has suggestions on the new Tap section of application wiki or my linked suggestions to an improved finger nav widget, I'd love to hear them - take care - pauric |
| 15:34.15 | radiorental | ScaredCat: will you be paying me? |
| 15:34.31 | ScaredyCat | you'll be doing it for the love of your craft |
| 15:34.35 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 15:34.52 | jeddy3 | although it should be reversed...this is basically grabbing a list and dragging it |
| 15:35.00 | radiorental | thanks jeddy3 I think its pretty simple, therefore following Occams Law, its will probably be the best solution |
| 15:35.46 | radiorental | Jeddy3: thats the design, sorry, missed that point in the Gesture def. Essentially follows the iPhone flick conventions |
| 15:35.55 | jeddy3 | radiorental, nod |
| 15:36.01 | radiorental | its a grab not a joystick |
| 15:36.07 | radiorental | thnx! |
| 15:37.01 | jeddy3 | imho, scrollbars is only useful to show where you are in a scrolled list |
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| 15:37.26 | mintee | what carrier is most people in the US going to go with? Cingular |
| 15:37.29 | mintee | ? |
| 15:37.38 | SpeedEvil | mintee: whategver GSM carrier suits |
| 15:37.43 | ewon | anybody GSM I suppose |
| 15:37.51 | radiorental | jeddy3: then they should implement the design on the iPhone, with an alphabetical list where the scroll bar is |
| 15:38.07 | mintee | well, i'm just looking at the coverage maps, and well... *shrug* |
| 15:38.11 | jeddy3 | radiorental, haven't seen that |
| 15:38.18 | radiorental | mintee: I will be using tmob |
| 15:38.28 | ScaredyCat | here's a tracking, there's a tracking and another moko tracking, tracking, tracking, neo tracking, tracking tracking, duck. |
| 15:39.04 | ewon | anyone know of a GSM coverage map of LA? |
| 15:39.04 | dtx | So do you think Occam's Razor cut schrodinger's cat in half? |
| 15:39.19 | mjr | yeah, the other one dead, the other alive |
| 15:39.27 | dtx | simple |
| 15:40.06 | dtx | The way everything is. |
| 15:40.14 | radiorental | jeddy3: somewhere in this 8 min video is the example of the address book 'scrollbar' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVtlvA-yZlk |
| 15:40.52 | mintee | ewon, here's many maps http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml |
| 15:41.05 | mintee | radiorental, yes, i thinking tmob or cing... |
| 15:41.31 | radiorental | mintee: you can get a tmob sim card for $30 |
| 15:41.42 | jeddy3 | radiorental, thx |
| 15:41.57 | mintee | radiorental, orly... that's nice. |
| 15:42.36 | radiorental | tmob 'togo' get the cheapest option (a low end nokia) and you get $25 minutes too, quite a bargain |
| 15:42.42 | radiorental | no data though |
| 15:42.53 | dtx | dtx's razor: the simplest answer is usually the laziest answer and therefore the most preferable answer to humans. |
| 15:43.35 | mintee | $25 minutes ? jesus... that's expensive eh :P |
| 15:43.44 | radiorental | I though razor was: the shortest answer is usually the one marketing will read and therefor approve to go in to developerment/production |
| 15:44.04 | radiorental | (o; $25 worth of minutes |
| 15:44.07 | dtx | because they are lazy |
| 15:44.10 | mintee | so typically i'm going to have to buy a phone to get the simcard.. right |
| 15:44.18 | mintee | they won't just sell a freaking simcard? |
| 15:44.46 | radiorental | $100 for the sim card, $30 for the sim card with a phone - go figure |
| 15:45.50 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 15:45.54 | radiorental | mybad, $39: http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Phones/Prepaid.aspx |
| 15:46.41 | mintee | Airtime |
| 15:46.41 | mintee | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.42 | ScaredyCat | eh? |
| 15:46.51 | ScaredyCat | in europe you get them for free... |
| 15:46.59 | ScaredyCat | if you wait a couple of daya |
| 15:47.12 | ScaredyCat | or for about 2 quid if you goto the shop |
| 15:47.35 | mintee | yes yes yes... we know everything is better off our coast, but we just have to deal with it for the time being -USA |
| 15:47.43 | jeddy3 | radiorental, damn, you have to hand it to apple for nailing many nice HID concepts |
| 15:48.11 | ScaredyCat | i'm just sayin, is all.... |
| 15:48.17 | mintee | heh, i know... |
| 15:48.26 | radiorental | seriously, but sales out yesterday were dissapointing. People dont like the enterprise level price tag. Apple shares fell sharply yesterday |
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| 15:48.53 | mintee | what was the subject line of FUCK.... did they already charge the creditcard when i placed the order, or are they charging it at time of shipping? |
| 15:49.11 | ScaredyCat | it's kind of 'you pay us $100 so you can pay to use our network' |
| 15:49.26 | ScaredyCat | they take it a few days before shipping |
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| 15:50.43 | mokobot | Hello Master |
| 15:51.21 | empty_mind | hello moko |
| 15:51.36 | Sup3rkiddo | ewanm89_laptop, no fair |
| 15:51.41 | mintee | crap... cause i just remembered, the card i used to pay for it got stolen this past saturday, and I called and canceled it |
| 15:51.58 | mintee | if they charged me before saturday, then all's good. otherwise.... |
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| 15:52.05 | guaqua | so you need to sign up for a deal to use pre-paid :D |
| 15:52.16 | guaqua | that's the most fucked up thing i've ever seen |
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| 15:53.06 | mintee | welcome to america... now bend over for the corporations |
| 15:53.23 | ChooseOpen | stefan_schmidt: What wiki pages discuss DFU-Utils. I cant readily find the relevant stuff |
| 15:53.24 | Kero | mintee: first normal charges were July 21st |
| 15:53.43 | FuzzyCat | there are enough people in the usa... you could just tell them to shove it... somone *will* offer a better deal |
| 15:53.52 | Kero | a handful of test payments before that. |
| 15:54.10 | mintee | Kero... heh... Time of day? I canceled my card about 7pm GMT-5 (EST) |
| 15:54.15 | FuzzyCat | you have small hands Kero ;) |
| 15:54.17 | guaqua | FuzzyCat: easier said than done |
| 15:54.36 | Kero | FuzzyCat: I can hold 4 CCs in one hand :) |
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| 15:54.55 | Kero | mintee: no clue. I don't get any better than http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 15:55.09 | guaqua | for example the finnish law regulating mobile networks states that the operator of the network must rent the network for service operators for a decent price |
| 15:55.09 | FuzzyCat | there's no excuse... t-mobile offer quite good deals in europe.. the only reason they don;t in the us is because you let them get away with it... |
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| 15:55.34 | guaqua | in the us - i'm guessing there's no such law |
| 15:55.49 | guaqua | so basically once you have a network, you can charge anything for the service |
| 15:55.50 | FuzzyCat | there's a special one guaqua ... |
| 15:55.54 | Kero | mintee: if you didn't get a Payment Received mail, start worrying |
| 15:56.01 | FuzzyCat | "corporations must fuck te comsumer" |
| 15:56.03 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:56.24 | Kero | mintee: talking to William Lai could help |
| 15:56.48 | mintee | who's that? how to? |
| 15:57.14 | Kero | mintee: search ML for "Order related inquiries" |
| 15:58.27 | mintee | got it, thanks... |
| 15:58.36 | cjb_ie | link in the topic will give a good idea methinks |
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| 16:02.08 | empty_mind | what file system does neo suports on sd card ? |
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| 16:03.54 | hozer | mintee: what ticket # ar eyou? |
| 16:04.15 | mintee | 2816 |
| 16:04.59 | hozer | you should put yourself on wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 16:05.00 | Kero | Stephmw: I'd get questions in other channels... |
| 16:05.40 | empty_mind_3054 | Stephmw, like this ? |
| 16:05.57 | Kero | and jealous glances in here... |
| 16:05.58 | Stephmw | haha |
| 16:06.11 | Stephmw | Kero: how do you know you don't already get strange looks? |
| 16:06.20 | orospakr | whoa, apparently one person received their phone! |
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| 16:06.59 | Kero | Stephmw: I don't. but I dont need more of them :) |
| 16:07.31 | hozer | noooooooooo, no credit card activity yet |
| 16:07.39 | mintee | Ok, i emailed orders@ and william... we'll see what happens then |
| 16:08.16 | hozer | mintee: did you have some problem? Or just no response? |
| 16:08.56 | mintee | ? |
| 16:08.57 | Kero | there also is a conspicuous lack of CC activity dates beyond #2500 or so. starting at #1820, that's loads of double orders, or no charging for the second batch, yet. |
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| 16:10.59 | mintee | ok, i added myself to the P1 users |
| 16:11.37 | mintee | hozer, my credit card was lost\stolen over the weekend and if they didn't already charge me, then when they do, it will fail |
| 16:11.38 | mintee | :'( |
| 16:11.45 | hozer | aaaaaaaaaahhh, okay. |
| 16:11.55 | cjb_ie | mintee: you can't check if it was charged? |
| 16:11.58 | mintee | i have to somehow resubmit a credit card |
| 16:13.22 | mintee | and or course I'm not doing that via email |
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| 16:14.22 | mintee | cjb_ie, i'm working on that now |
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| 16:15.52 | mintee | who does the charge show up as? |
| 16:16.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[Variometer]] [[User:ChooseOpen]] [[FAQ/fr]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Berlin]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Talk:Hear_Me_FIC]] [[Group_Order]] |
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| 16:18.44 | jeddy3 | hmm the wiki is kindoff messy...where should one look for a definitive getting started guide on how to flash all things needed into neo? |
| 16:20.05 | CoreDump|home | the p0/p1 page |
| 16:20.46 | CoreDump|home | jeddy3: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Flashing_the_kernel |
| 16:21.08 | jeddy3 | CoreDump|home, thanks |
| 16:21.32 | jeddy3 | there is no need to flash u-boot right? |
| 16:22.34 | jeddy3 | no, right |
| 16:22.47 | CoreDump|home | there isn't |
| 16:23.05 | CoreDump|home | and you should think twice about trying it if you do not own the debug board |
| 16:24.24 | jeddy3 | CoreDump|home, yes :) |
| 16:24.41 | CoreDump|home | ;) |
| 16:25.44 | prpplague | is the schematic for the qt2410e available online anywhere? |
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| 16:28.32 | ewanm89_laptop | Sup3rkiddo: But I'm its master. |
| 16:28.55 | Sup3rkiddo | ewanm89_laptop, ok make it spew "Hello Lord", when i enter |
| 16:29.12 | ewanm89_laptop | Sup3rkiddo: Easy |
| 16:29.35 | Sup3rkiddo | ewanm89_laptop, hmm..i smell a rat |
| 16:29.45 | ewanm89_laptop | Sup3rkiddo: /cycle |
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| 16:29.54 | mokobot | Hello Lord |
| 16:29.58 | Sup3rkiddo | muhahah |
| 16:30.01 | ewanm89_laptop | I told you. |
| 16:30.10 | ewanm89_laptop | I can delete it just as easily. |
| 16:30.18 | Sup3rkiddo | ewanm89_laptop, no no no |
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| 16:30.38 | mokobot | Hello Lord |
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| 16:31.36 | daMaestro | ~p1 |
| 16:31.37 | mokobot | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
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| 16:32.14 | CoreDump|home | ~lart apt |
| 16:32.14 | apt | slaps coredump|home around with a large trout |
| 16:32.18 | CoreDump|home | ... |
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| 16:32.29 | dtx | ~dtx |
| 16:32.29 | mokobot | A seriously annoying gimp. |
| 16:32.40 | daMaestro | ~stupid |
| 16:32.41 | apt | hmm... stupid is http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/bart.gif, or ibot |
| 16:32.48 | Sup3rkiddo | ~Sup3rkiddo |
| 16:32.49 | mokobot | 22% lame, apparently |
| 16:32.54 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 16:35.02 | mokobot | stop the bot abuse |
| 16:35.28 | dtx | ~bot hell |
| 16:35.29 | mokobot | hmm... bot hell is definitely not in this channel. |
| 16:35.58 | CoreDump|home | having two bots listen on the same control char is annoying |
| 16:37.00 | ewanm89_laptop | CoreDump|home: Yeah, I'll try and fix that sometime, on oversight of the coders not to include it in the configuration file. |
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| 16:39.48 | empty_mind | ~empty_mind |
| 16:40.20 | empty_mind | !googlebot |
| 16:40.46 | woglinde | hi |
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| 16:41.36 | daMaestro | jason1 better show up today and explain how he got his phone |
| 16:42.04 | CoreDump|home | !google define: googlebot |
| 16:42.05 | cdbot2 | the crawler Google uses on a daily basis to find and index new web pages. @ http://www.abelgraphics.co.uk/glossary.php ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:+googlebot ) |
| 16:42.20 | CoreDump|home | ;) |
| 16:42.35 | daMaestro | !boobies |
| 16:42.58 | empty_mind | !google openzarus vs openmoko |
| 16:43.00 | cdbot2 | Images @ http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=openzarus+vs+openmoko&safe=off&lr=lang_all&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi | Images @ http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=openzarus+vs+openmoko&safe=off&lr=lang_all&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi | Images @ http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=openzarus+vs+openmoko&safe=off&lr=lang_all&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi |
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| 16:43.47 | woglinde | ?????? |
| 16:43.48 | empty_mind | what was the command to compare the number of pages |
| 16:45.10 | CoreDump|home | I didn't know there is one heh |
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| 16:46.50 | woglinde | hi core/dump |
| 16:47.00 | Sup3rkiddo | googlefight? |
| 16:47.04 | Sup3rkiddo | !googlefight |
| 16:47.10 | Sup3rkiddo | !googlefight me vs you |
| 16:47.12 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: you beats me by 3,100,000,000 to 2,000,000,000! |
| 16:47.24 | CoreDump|home | woglinde: hey |
| 16:47.36 | CoreDump|home | neat |
| 16:48.00 | CoreDump|home | !googlefight openzarus vs openmoko |
| 16:48.01 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: openmoko beats openzarus by 2,060,000 to 189! |
| 16:48.10 | CoreDump|home | bleh |
| 16:48.16 | CoreDump|home | !googlefight openzaurus vs openmoko |
| 16:48.16 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: openmoko beats openzaurus by 2,060,000 to 240,000! |
| 16:48.18 | mmp | (me vs. you) hmm, looks like egoism is dying quietly:) |
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| 16:52.14 | daMaestro | !google boobies |
| 16:52.14 | cdbot2 | Images @ http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=boobies&safe=off&lr=lang_all&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi | Gametrailers.com - ScrewAttack - Top Ten @ http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=17178&type=mov%20class=l | Booby family @ http://www.montereybay.com/creagrus/boobies.html%20class=l |
| 16:52.34 | daMaestro | LOL |
| 16:53.23 | DavyJones | what is open moko? |
| 16:53.24 | aloril | DavyJones: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 16:53.54 | Stephmw | daMaestro: want some boobies, here you go, http://www.msu.edu/course/isb/202/ebertmay/images/boobies.jpg |
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| 16:54.49 | Stephmw | daMaestro: they're Blue-footed boobies... interesting birds :) |
| 16:54.55 | DavyJones | so this is like a cell phone with linux in it, right? |
| 16:55.25 | Stephmw | DavyJones: that's it at it's most basic |
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| 17:01.46 | dtx | Open Moko is like the distro of Linux running on it, it is completely free software except a couple of drivers I believe |
| 17:01.46 | SpeedEvil | one driver. |
| 17:01.46 | dtx | GPS? |
| 17:01.46 | Elrond | Yep, gps. |
| 17:01.46 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 17:01.47 | dtx | What about GSM functions? |
| 17:01.47 | hena | uh, i thought it was the gsm |
| 17:01.47 | hena | cool |
| 17:01.47 | dtx | Proprietary purely in firmware? |
| 17:01.47 | mjr | dtx, yes |
| 17:01.47 | hena | argh |
| 17:01.47 | Stephmw | hena: it's accessible via AT commands |
| 17:01.47 | DavyJones | does open moko has a camera, bluetooth, pic and video galleries, all of the other crap that's useful for nothing? |
| 17:01.47 | dtx | Well, thats cool |
| 17:01.47 | dtx | Thats the way firmware works usually anyways |
| 17:01.47 | Stephmw | hena: you're not going to get the GSM stack open sourced ;) |
| 17:01.48 | dtx | DavyJones: No camera |
| 17:01.48 | DavyJones | dtx: great |
| 17:01.48 | mjr | the gsm chip isn't part of openmoko, so it doesn't go into the openmoko freedom exceptions |
| 17:01.48 | dtx | Next version will have 3D Accel and motion sensors |
| 17:01.48 | Stephmw | DavyJones: it's not user-ready, so the answer to software questions is: no, not until someone writes it. |
| 17:01.48 | hena | well, you can try |
| 17:01.48 | Stephmw | hena: no, you can't |
| 17:01.48 | aloril | DavyJones: see FAQ links, it answer most of your questions |
| 17:01.48 | mjr | DavyJones, as for hardware questions, openmoko isn't |
| 17:01.48 | hena | i know they're a bit anal with these rf drivers and such |
| 17:01.48 | SpeedEvil | hena: it would be illegal to sell the phone in the UK if you could hack on the GSM internals. |
| 17:01.50 | SpeedEvil | With actual jail-time. (after you've been told that the phone has been used for hacking) |
| 17:01.50 | Stephmw | GSM is covered by international laws and treaties... |
| 17:01.50 | DavyJones | SpeedEvil: so what? screw the UK |
| 17:01.50 | mjr | probably some other countries too |
| 17:01.50 | cjb_ie | it would probably also be illegal to do the hacking, too |
| 17:01.50 | hena | yup, and in many other countries also, and you could f'ck up other frequencies also |
| 17:01.50 | SpeedEvil | There are many countries with anti-phone-hacking legislation in force. |
| 17:01.50 | hena | but i'm my mind that's not a reason for doing something like that |
| 17:01.50 | SpeedEvil | They would not also be approved for sale in the US. |
| 17:01.51 | SpeedEvil | Or many other markets. |
| 17:01.51 | Stephmw | hena: if you had a phone where the GSM was hackable, the operators would immediately blacklist it from the networks anyway |
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| 17:02.27 | hena | that might be |
| 17:02.42 | hena | but i still think it's wrong |
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| 17:03.52 | SpeedEvil | It's unfortuantely not. |
| 17:05.00 | SpeedEvil | One person with a hacked phone can disrupt calls - including emergency calls - by doing phone-phone direct comms, for example - over kilometers range. |
| 17:05.00 | SpeedEvil | Now, imagine if this got out there in a mass market handset, and someone wrote the app. |
| 17:05.00 | hena | i'm not talking about that |
| 17:05.02 | SpeedEvil | 'free data transfer to local friends'. |
| 17:05.20 | SpeedEvil | With an opensource GSM modem, yes you are. |
| 17:05.29 | hena | you're talking about the outcome, what would happen |
| 17:05.36 | ferric | so, Justin got his phone! |
| 17:05.44 | hena | i'm talking about freedom |
| 17:05.45 | seemant | sweet |
| 17:05.48 | seemant | who's justin? |
| 17:06.42 | hena | i know people would misuse it, but i don't think it's enough for a reason to restrict such things |
| 17:06.42 | hena | i should be entitled to create my own damn cellphone, if i wanted |
| 17:06.55 | hena | and the operators are entitled to shut me off from their networks, if they don't like me |
| 17:07.09 | hena | but i wont get into this |
| 17:07.13 | SpeedEvil | Shutting off from the networks isn't the problem. |
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| 17:07.23 | Stephmw | hena: aye, this isn't really the best forum for it ;) |
| 17:07.24 | SpeedEvil | If you are shut off from the networks - you still interfere with them. |
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| 17:07.50 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: do you have as much fun going through these things over and over as I have about doing the same regarding J2ME? |
| 17:08.06 | SpeedEvil | http://wwwapps.ups.com/WebTracking/processInputRequest?HTMLVersion=5.0&loc=en_US&Requester=UPSHome&tracknum=1Z5VX0380150731095&AgreeToTermsAndConditions=yes&ignore=&track.x=16&track.y=7 |
| 17:08.25 | sandos | Stephmw: what things about J2ME ? |
| 17:08.52 | sandos | bad things if there were no restrictions (calling, SMSing ?) or something else? |
| 17:09.14 | SpeedEvil | The above with regards to deliveries. |
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| 17:10.07 | Stephmw | sandos: the typical uninformed commentaries regarding, speed, memory, usefullness, language, DRM, UI, religion... |
| 17:10.14 | hena | SpeedEvil: just one thing, interfering with the network isn't a problem anyways |
| 17:10.17 | Stephmw | sandos: it's easy enough to dismiss, but boring all the same |
| 17:11.07 | hena | EOD |
| 17:11.07 | hena | ;) |
| 17:11.07 | SpeedEvil | hEr |
| 17:11.07 | SpeedEvil | Yes it is. |
| 17:11.08 | hena | ok, it is |
| 17:11.09 | SpeedEvil | Interfere with the network, and people can't make emergency calls. |
| 17:11.09 | hena | let's not argue |
| 17:11.25 | hena | yeah, i can make a device worth 10 bucks that shuts down everybodys cellphone |
| 17:11.27 | sandos | Stephmw: ok |
| 17:11.32 | hena | well, drops the signal anyways |
| 17:12.46 | hena | they even sell such things for keyrings |
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| 17:12.58 | SpeedEvil | Having a purpose made jammer is very different from having a mass market smartphone with 'free data transfer' available as an app for it. There is no motive to use the jammer all the time. People would use the phone link for streaming. |
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| 17:13.33 | SpeedEvil | s/phone link/phone frequencies/ |
| 17:14.01 | hena | haha |
| 17:14.06 | hena | nice bot ;) |
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| 17:15.01 | hena | i'd like to argue about this |
| 17:15.10 | hena | but i know it's pointless, so you win |
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| 17:24.13 | hhf423 | oh, the mayhem you could to with a GSM stack |
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| 17:25.02 | ewon | and that's why it's a proprietary module |
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| 17:25.23 | koen | security by obscurity |
| 17:25.36 | hhf423 | I wonder how long it will take for it to stay that way |
| 17:25.39 | SpeedEvil | The nasty problem isn't the skilled engineer or hacker getting it. It's a hundred and ten thousand 12 year olds getting it, on a phone they already own. |
| 17:25.45 | writchie | not really - all the info is in etsi specs |
| 17:25.56 | writchie | you can make your own mahem. |
| 17:26.12 | writchie | but not if your a script kiddie |
| 17:26.24 | ferric | you're |
| 17:26.28 | hhf423 | image how much less trouble we would have on the internet if everybody could only send well defined TCP/IP packets, emails etc. |
| 17:27.03 | SpeedEvil | Fundamentally rather different. |
| 17:27.08 | mjr | (that guy who wanted to do gsm-wifi-handoff) |
| 17:27.13 | SpeedEvil | The internet is not all connected to one dumb hub. |
| 17:27.22 | SpeedEvil | With everyone getting everyones packets. |
| 17:27.29 | mjr | *nod* |
| 17:27.35 | SpeedEvil | And everyone interfering with everyone else. |
| 17:28.05 | hhf423 | right, GSM is rather not so "peer to peer" |
| 17:28.30 | prpplague | koen: hey, do you know if the qt2410e schematic is available anywhere? |
| 17:28.39 | ferric | that's what voip and wifi phones are for. |
| 17:28.41 | writchie | follow ref on wiki |
| 17:28.47 | koen | prpplague: not that I know off, you'd have to ask harald or qtzone |
| 17:28.48 | hhf423 | but I am sure that there is a GSM "ping of death" equivalent. it would only kill the next BTS, but then... |
| 17:29.11 | writchie | a link to the manual on the wiki - or from samsung site |
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| 17:30.46 | writchie | prpplague: sorry i missed the qt. I think they are use a chinese knock-off of the qt board |
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| 17:31.44 | prpplague | writchie: yea, the qt is suppose to be a knock off of the smdk2410 iirc |
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| 17:31.54 | prpplague | koen: thats what i figured |
| 17:32.32 | ferric | did familiar become openembedded? |
| 17:32.38 | ferric | (and subsequently openmoko?) |
| 17:32.40 | roh | prpplague what are you searching in there exactly? |
| 17:32.58 | writchie | prpplague: last i look at the chinese site the 2410 was replaced by a 2442 |
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| 17:33.10 | prpplague | roh: i was curious if the mmc/sd/sdio socket on that design included 10k pullups per the sd specification |
| 17:33.22 | writchie | be nice to have somebody arrange to source some of these. |
| 17:33.58 | prpplague | writchie: there are plenty of s3c2410 boards available, i was mainly checking since the qt2410e was used as the reference for neo |
| 17:34.22 | writchie | i meant the 2442 - have you seen these |
| 17:34.23 | roh | prpplague hehe.. good question... you know of http://www.jollen.org/kit/ ? |
| 17:34.58 | roh | 2442 is a mcp of 2440, sdram and nand flash |
| 17:35.05 | writchie | right |
| 17:35.29 | prpplague | roh: not run across that one before |
| 17:35.51 | roh | besides that its the same as 2440 to most degree (some pmu differences) which is basically a 2440 with higher clocks |
| 17:35.57 | roh | eh 2410 |
| 17:36.27 | writchie | errata may be different - it might work |
| 17:36.38 | writchie | e.g. DRAM to nand |
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| 17:36.46 | writchie | vie dma |
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| 17:36.56 | writchie | i.e. via dma |
| 17:37.20 | roh | japp.. some minor differences.. also in the nand interface. but its already supported in form of gpl source ;) |
| 17:37.31 | prpplague | roh: is the schematic posted for that board? |
| 17:38.00 | roh | prpplague i do now know.. but you can send a mail to jollen. he knows.. he has done it. |
| 17:38.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 659 has been created by werner(AT)openmoko.org |
| 17:38.01 | cdbot2 | * * QMEU mis-detects gcc32 as gcc-3.* on Gentoo, then compilation fails |
| 17:38.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=659 |
| 17:38.03 | SpeedEvil | roh: at some point, someone with a schematic needs to update the power managment page. |
| 17:38.14 | SpeedEvil | Or of course, write complete drivers for it. |
| 17:38.26 | roh | SpeedEvil what are you missing? |
| 17:40.09 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Power_Management for example refers to bugs in P0 |
| 17:40.50 | writchie | speed, i thought these were fixed on the P1 copper |
| 17:41.12 | bmidgley | koen: page at http://openembedded.sourceforge.net/ is no longer true eh? |
| 17:41.37 | koen | bmidgley: half true |
| 17:41.57 | bmidgley | it's still high on the google hit list... |
| 17:41.58 | koen | http://openembedded.org/ is the correct url, but it's hosted at linuxtogo.org now |
| 17:42.03 | SpeedEvil | writchie: they are - the way they are fixed is not - forex 'NOTE: The S3C2410 cannot resume from Power_off on UART input data. We need to connect either RTS/CTS to EINT, or send some other signals via GSM Modem GPIO to the EINT[0..15] pins of the S3C2410' |
| 17:42.21 | SpeedEvil | which way was chosen - unless this is documented in source |
| 17:43.02 | writchie | is there something other than just desktop like power states |
| 17:43.08 | SpeedEvil | writchie: basically. |
| 17:43.20 | writchie | meaning only desktop like |
| 17:43.23 | writchie | ? |
| 17:43.25 | SpeedEvil | writchie: There eventually needs to be a nice interface to slow the CPU |
| 17:43.51 | writchie | definitely - most power gains come from popping up every 500ms to take a peak |
| 17:44.03 | writchie | and going back to pseudo sleep |
| 17:44.08 | SpeedEvil | And to turn on/off USB, display driver, SD card drivers, modify CPU voltage, support CPU idle mode, ... to save power. |
| 17:44.16 | writchie | of course |
| 17:44.30 | writchie | doesn't really fit structure of kernel |
| 17:44.44 | writchie | made need some hook |
| 17:44.50 | writchie | in the wakeup |
| 17:45.11 | roh | SpeedEvil the second concept is used |
| 17:45.58 | roh | SpeedEvil there is a gpio line sending an irq to the 2410 when flow control indicates the app-cpu is sleeping |
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| 17:47.00 | roh | so the app cpu is sleeping all the time and only wakes up when it really needs. the gsm modem can be configured to send or not send events, so when you do not want cellbroadcast your app cpu can be left sleeping |
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| 17:48.12 | writchie | the gsm and bluetooth drivers need to process this without coming out of full sleep |
| 17:48.20 | writchie | is this in the present approach |
| 17:48.54 | dataworm | I was wondering if any OpenMoko developer will be at Defcon and CCC, I would really like to see one of those phone. I will offer the beers :) |
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| 17:49.29 | roh | dataworm defcon i do not know. but some of them are definitively on the ccc camp and some will also be on the congress |
| 17:49.51 | dataworm | cool :) I will be at the camp, you know if they present at the camp? |
| 17:50.31 | roh | i will be there and openmoko will be present in the gsm village |
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| 17:51.15 | dataworm | very cool :) |
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| 17:54.30 | noidd | I'll be at SANS in Chicago and will be bringing my neos |
| 17:54.41 | roh | hopefully there will be a lot of hands on hacking and not too much would be could be discussions.. but well manage and it will be very relaxing |
| 17:54.44 | noidd | but by that time they'll be on public sale |
| 17:56.38 | SpeedEvil | roh: thanks. |
| 17:57.55 | dataworm | roh: Are you planning to bring a few Phone for sale at CCC? |
| 17:58.04 | jeddy3_ | äåö |
| 17:58.10 | jeddy3_ | oops |
| 17:58.21 | dataworm | I am sure they would bring the attention of some hacker that could probably contribute hacking on them right away |
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| 18:04.37 | mbuf | what does moko-dialog.test: error while loading shared libraries: libmokoui.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory mean? |
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| 18:07.33 | mbuf | i don't see any autogen.sh in trunk/src/target/OM-2007/examples/openmoko-dialog-demo directory, unlike what is mentioned in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/How_to_run_OpenMoko_Apps_on_PC |
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| 18:09.02 | Aria | mbuf: bet you could do libtoolize -f; aclocal; autoconf; automake and get real close |
| 18:11.20 | mbuf | Aria, and where should i run that? |
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| 18:12.02 | Aria | In the directory you untarred an app in |
| 18:12.15 | Aria | That's what an autogen.sh would contain, in essence |
| 18:12.40 | Aria | The error you got above (stack reading, sorry) means that you don't have the .so file available -- perhaps run ldconfig? |
| 18:13.17 | mbuf | Aria, the openmoko-dialog-demo example contains only a Makefile and a source .c file |
| 18:14.47 | kiney_ | counter |
| 18:14.48 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-21 06:20) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 75% in a day 08:52:36 (1.370±1.4 days) (1777;251) |
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| 18:15.57 | Aria | Oh, I see. That's a simplistic app then |
| 18:16.00 | Aria | so run make? |
| 18:16.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Hardware/ru]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[MokoMakefile]] [[Wishlist:context_based_to-do_list]] [[Wish_List]] [[Talk:Neo1973_Power_Management]] [[User:Samon007]] [[Wishlist:EggTimer]] [[Category:Server]] [[Neo1973_Hardware]] and other changes |
| 18:17.55 | mbuf | Aria, i tried the openmoko-stylus-demo and it works fine! thanks! |
| 18:18.01 | Aria | Sure thing! |
| 18:19.10 | mbuf | Aria, so should i just use the openmoko-stylus-demo template to do other applications? |
| 18:20.41 | mbuf | Aria, i have tried bitbake, and i am able to build an application with it under the openmoko environment; what additional work should i do to integrate it run-time display when used with qemu? |
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| 19:10.42 | daMaestro | http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/07/24/first-iPhone-vulnerability-found_1.html |
| 19:10.47 | daMaestro | that should go to the lists ^ |
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| 19:12.24 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Any idea on what rate doppler thingies change? |
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| 19:14.03 | orospakr | daMaestro: that is almost bad news. thanks to that that flaw or similar, it is possible to run Free code on the iphone. |
| 19:14.13 | orospakr | heaven forbid, someone could port Linux and OpenMoko. ;) |
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| 19:17.39 | cjb | orospakr: why do you think that being able to view local files is the same as being able to boot Linux? |
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| 19:19.51 | ynezz | it's a good note to make neo secure |
| 19:20.51 | ckuethe | cjb - it's maybe not the same, but it's a start. un-trusted coded doing something the carrier/manufacturer didn't specifically authorize... |
| 19:21.08 | cjb | ckuethe: how is that unlike, say, a Treo? |
| 19:21.16 | ckuethe | dunno. never used a treo |
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| 19:21.30 | cjb | it allows you to write software for it. |
| 19:21.48 | ckuethe | i think is point though is that people are starting to find weaknesses in what was intended to be a closed phone |
| 19:22.01 | ckuethe | and perhaps those can be leveraged to run a fully open stack |
| 19:22.20 | cjb | sure. I just don't think they're anywhere near going to arbitrary kernels. For all we know there's a firmware checksum. |
| 19:22.33 | ckuethe | i'm going to suspect that it'll be harder ... probably the CDMA stuff is tangled right in the OS |
| 19:22.41 | prpplague | has anyone started on the sdio driver for the 2440 wifi interface? |
| 19:22.48 | ckuethe | firmware checksums do get broken... eg. iriver |
| 19:23.04 | ckuethe | nm |
| 19:23.05 | ynezz | sony psp... |
| 19:23.09 | ckuethe | iphone != cdma |
| 19:23.10 | ckuethe | duh |
| 19:23.24 | ckuethe | must. get. more. caffeine. |
| 19:23.56 | ckuethe | iphone won't come to canada... at least not until rogers stops sucking |
| 19:24.09 | ynezz | i bet it's some bug in webkit :p |
| 19:24.19 | orospakr | cjb, different news. |
| 19:24.27 | orospakr | cjb, separate bugs. |
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| 19:25.09 | freskog | hello everyone... |
| 19:25.16 | freskog | minor problem here... |
| 19:25.26 | freskog | seems as if make update |
| 19:25.31 | freskog | doesn't work for me. |
| 19:25.39 | freskog | anyone else experience that? |
| 19:25.53 | freskog | (using mokomakefile) |
| 19:26.09 | ozark1 | Has it worked for you before? |
| 19:26.21 | LarstiQ | freskog: that's a bit vague, how exactly does it not work? |
| 19:26.26 | ozark1 | and it just broke or this is your first attempt? |
| 19:26.45 | freskog | It complains about the schema (worked fine before= |
| 19:26.46 | freskog | ) |
| 19:27.31 | freskog | I'd paste the errormsg, but it's in swedish (damn you l10n!) |
| 19:27.58 | LarstiQ | freskog: it is monotone that is complaining? |
| 19:28.01 | ScaredyCat | we understand t swedish chef ! |
| 19:28.02 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 19:28.24 | freskog | LarstiQ: yes. |
| 19:28.38 | nnpiggy | Swedish is a Germanic language--how hard can it be to understand? :-) |
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| 19:28.42 | LarstiQ | freskog: that sounds like your version of monotone is too old |
| 19:28.56 | freskog | 0.35 |
| 19:29.51 | freskog | I need to start reading the FAQ/Wiki... mtn --db OE.mtn db migrate |
| 19:29.57 | freskog | seems to be a common problem. |
| 19:30.02 | freskog | sorry to interrupt. |
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| 19:31.06 | ZerothCloned | hi guys |
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| 19:32.07 | ozark1 | freskog: Shouldn't you be celebrating with a box of chocolates or something? |
| 19:32.26 | Kero | beer, good idea :) |
| 19:32.35 | freskog | ozark1: it's the midnight sun, drives us crazy :) |
| 19:32.43 | noidd | svenska, tak |
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| 19:32.58 | noidd | the full extent of my swedish vocabulary. Oh, and "snop" |
| 19:33.28 | freskog | noidd: Not bad, only two out of three words misspelt :) |
| 19:33.36 | ZerothCloned | Does anyone else have an issue when it comes to compiling the openmoko-rssreader step in the MokoMakefile? |
| 19:36.18 | ChooseOpen | Anyone know the root password? The wii says it is set to blank, but it dont like that :( |
| 19:36.33 | ChooseOpen | wii=wiki |
| 19:36.43 | ZerothCloned | root? |
| 19:36.56 | ChooseOpen | ZerothCloned: tried that... |
| 19:37.28 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: http://www.mauve.plus.com/gps |
| 19:37.32 | ZerothCloned | I still haven't even gotten my moko build enviro setup yet, can;t help ya :/ |
| 19:38.18 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: http://www.mauve.plus.com/gpsrate |
| 19:38.29 | SpeedEvil | it's a couple of meters a second a minute or so. |
| 19:40.27 | SpeedEvil | Tops out at +-600m/s or so. |
| 19:40.49 | SpeedEvil | If you want me to generate a months or so data per minute at your location, I can do that. |
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| 19:42.33 | Elrond | http://www.mauve.plus.com/gpsrate does not work. |
| 19:42.55 | SpeedEvil | Oh well. |
| 19:43.08 | SpeedEvil | There is a link in the wiki - hang on. I may have misnamed it. |
| 19:43.41 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/gps |
| 19:44.48 | SpeedEvil | This is at the same time as the NMEA longtrace |
| 19:44.51 | SpeedEvil | and at that position |
| 19:45.04 | Elrond | Ahh :-) |
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| 19:48.23 | ZerothCloned | is there any way I can get MokoMakefile to skip a specific program? |
| 19:49.05 | freskog | Hmm ... I got one more error ... I tried to resolve it with "mtn --db OE.mtn regenerate_caches", this has been running for quite some time now ... |
| 19:49.10 | freskog | is that normal? |
| 19:52.28 | freskog | Let me rephrase that question: Does anyone know what "mtn --db OE.mtn regenerate_caches" does? |
| 19:53.20 | LarstiQ | no idea, but I've observed mtn not being instantly done with operations, I wouldn't fuss over it just yet |
| 19:53.35 | mmazur | Did anyone get an email with shippment tracking? |
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| 19:54.11 | ZerothCloned | does anyone know where to get webkit/gdk? It appears the rssreader has a dependency on it. |
| 19:54.19 | LarstiQ | mmazur: ala http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:ChooseOpen ? |
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| 19:54.38 | noidd | ChooseOpen: it is empty. yes. |
| 19:55.04 | mmazur | LarstiQ, well, yeah, I have the same question :) |
| 19:55.21 | ScaredyCat | their shipping rate seems to be as bad as their charging rate |
| 19:55.31 | ChooseOpen | noidd, doesnt seem to be. I reset it with 'passwd', but the new password doesnt work either... very confused |
| 19:55.45 | ScaredyCat | wassup ChooseOpen? |
| 19:56.06 | ChooseOpen | ScaredyCat: Going good. got hte device flash. now trying to ssh into it. |
| 19:56.09 | noidd | freskog: I took my (then) 5 year old nephew to a game in Sweden. He was my translator (fully bi-lingual Swedish / English). He told me the swedish for "hotdog" was "snop". I got a wierd wierd look when I tried to order it. |
| 19:56.13 | ChooseOpen | flash=flashed |
| 19:56.14 | noidd | <-- pwned by a 5 year old. |
| 19:56.22 | freskog | haha |
| 19:56.23 | Fatal | hahaha |
| 19:56.24 | mmazur | Hahaha. |
| 19:56.29 | ScaredyCat | having probs ChooseOpen? |
| 19:56.32 | noidd | spot the .se contingent |
| 19:56.38 | freskog | .ax! |
| 19:56.43 | freskog | and proud of it! |
| 19:56.45 | noidd | .ax? |
| 19:56.47 | Fatal | (it's snopp btw) |
| 19:56.48 | jeddy3 | noidd: hahaha xD |
| 19:56.56 | freskog | The Åland Islands |
| 19:56.57 | mmazur | .ax? wtf? |
| 19:57.04 | freskog | www.aland.ax |
| 19:57.05 | ChooseOpen | ScaredyCat: yeah. I can ssh into it, but it dont like the blank password. I reset the password and it wont take that one either... |
| 19:57.10 | Fatal | neat, didn't know the tld for it |
| 19:57.49 | ozark1 | freskog: I think something's wrong with you irc client. |
| 19:57.49 | ozark1 | You got a weird thing on to of your 'A' |
| 19:57.49 | freskog | ozark1: why's that? |
| 19:57.49 | ScaredyCat | checked /etc/passwd |
| 19:57.49 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 19:57.49 | LarstiQ | ozark1: double A |
| 19:57.53 | freskog | ozark1: Very funny... |
| 19:57.53 | noidd | So, I've not gone back to Sweden since. |
| 19:58.19 | LarstiQ | freskog: that's pronounced almost the same as the Dutch for island, does it have the same meaning? |
| 19:58.27 | freskog | noidd: Don't worry, most of sweden has probably forgotten by now :) |
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| 19:59.11 | noidd | probably |
| 19:59.19 | noidd | I have quite a bit of Family in .se |
| 19:59.24 | freskog | LastiQ: Not really, "Å" is pronounced as a double A (but in reality it's closer to the way a dutch guy prounounces the H in holland) |
| 19:59.41 | freskog | the "Ho" in Holland |
| 19:59.49 | mmazur | yo ho ho |
| 19:59.54 | LarstiQ | freskog: I'd just say 'o' in Holland :) |
| 20:00.17 | freskog | But there's a slight 'H'-sound no? |
| 20:00.18 | LarstiQ | freskog: unless I'm overly influenced by Danish |
| 20:00.51 | ZerothCloned | where can I get webkit-gtk? The rssreader has a dependency on it. |
| 20:01.00 | noidd | I guess I can say "Damn Europeans" now that I've emmigrated from the UK to the US :-) |
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| 20:01.37 | mmazur | noidd, even if you haven't you'd just be a guy from a small island, not a prud european! ;) |
| 20:01.40 | ScaredyCat | sleeper cell noidd? ;) |
| 20:01.42 | Aria | ZerothCloned: There's a port in the main webkit.org repo, but not sure how to integrate that with moko stuff yet |
| 20:01.46 | mmazur | *proud |
| 20:02.12 | ZerothCloned | then why does the rssreader have a dependency on it? seems thats the /second/ broken commit with mokoMakefile *grumbles* |
| 20:02.17 | ewanm89_laptop | noidd: Damn Americans, Damn Europeans, stupid EU. |
| 20:02.21 | LarstiQ | mmazur: right, since when does the UK consider itself part of Europe? :) |
| 20:02.39 | ScaredyCat | much to our detriment.. |
| 20:02.52 | ewanm89_laptop | Hence I'm born and bred brittish. ^^^ |
| 20:03.27 | ZerothCloned | damn, only person helping me, and they had to go. *grumbles* |
| 20:03.30 | mmazur | LarstiQ, yeah. They drive wrong, they have wrong currency. |
| 20:03.33 | mmazur | LarstiQ, they speak funny. |
| 20:04.02 | ewanm89_laptop | mmazur: Yeah, I know the americans and french do. |
| 20:04.50 | mmazur | You evil capitalist opressors, you! |
| 20:05.05 | mokobot | prpplague hasn't had a response "anyone started work on the sdio driver for use with the wifi module? i'm working with a similiar device and was looking to pool resources"? |
| 20:05.15 | loufoque | noidd: you're so evil |
| 20:05.28 | loufoque | noidd: you betrayed your nation |
| 20:05.44 | mmazur | ScaredyCat, define europeanized? |
| 20:05.47 | woglinde | lol |
| 20:05.50 | ewanm89_laptop | prpplague: I just sent something through one of the bots. |
| 20:05.54 | mokobot | prpplague hasn't had a response "anyone started work on the sdio driver for use with the wifi module? i'm working with a similiar device and was looking to pool resources"? |
| 20:06.08 | mmazur | mokobot, oh, bugger off. |
| 20:06.22 | ScaredyCat | I live in .nl, work in uk and nl, think it would be benificial to take the euro... |
| 20:06.40 | ScaredyCat | etc# |
| 20:06.43 | ewanm89_laptop | mmazur: He really wants to know. |
| 20:06.43 | ScaredyCat | -# |
| 20:06.53 | Mr | when make openmoko-devel-image using MokoMakefile I get this error: |
| 20:06.53 | Mr | Packaged contents of locale-base-ar-kw into /home/andlo/openmoko/build/tmp/deploy/ipk/armv4t/locale-base-ar-kw_2.5-r4_armv4t.ipk |
| 20:06.53 | Mr | locale-base-aa-er |
| 20:06.53 | Mr | *** Error: Package name contains illegal characters, (other than [a-z0-9.+-]) |
| 20:06.54 | Mr | Anybody who knows what I am dooing wrong? |
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| 20:08.12 | loufoque | mmazur: you live in perl? |
| 20:08.35 | mmazur | Oh, funny. |
| 20:09.15 | mmazur | Thoug I live in .pl. |
| 20:09.21 | mmazur | Guano happens, you know. |
| 20:09.50 | mmazur | Kero, domain not found |
| 20:09.52 | mmazur | ewanm89_laptop, same |
| 20:10.17 | Kero | mmazur: will have to create a new country ! Bow to your king ! |
| 20:10.19 | mmazur | Wonder how long it'll take to ship the phones to europe. |
| 20:10.39 | mmazur | Kero, that's nothing. My lifetime goal is to irc from the long.long.int domain. |
| 20:10.48 | mmazur | The thing is, I'll have to set up an international treaty for it. |
| 20:10.54 | mmazur | All in due time however. |
| 20:11.30 | ScaredyCat | 6 days 4 hours 32 minutes |
| 20:11.47 | Kero | pft, In my country you'll have arbitrary-long integers. I can not possibly sign that treaty of yours |
| 20:12.38 | ZerothCloned | *sighs* |
| 20:16.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Category:OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Duesseldorf]] [[Guitar_Tuning]] [[Wishlist:ANARM]] [[Wishlist:Profiles]] [[Wishlist:Location_based_reminders]] [[Wishlist:context_based_to-do_list]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Wishlist:Tagging]] [[Wishlist:Point_of_Interest_Framework]] and other changes |
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| 20:27.50 | hhf423 | say, does anyone know how FIC and the OpenMoko.com projekt work together? Do the guys all have a contract from FIC? |
| 20:28.10 | hhf423 | is that explained somewhere? |
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| 20:30.12 | mjr | openmoko is a FIC spinoff |
| 20:30.22 | guaqua | there is a small core team that consists of freelancers |
| 20:30.45 | guaqua | though they pretty much don't have time for anything else right now :) |
| 20:30.55 | guaqua | other than that, it's all volunteers |
| 20:31.41 | stefan_schmidt | guaqua: But we also have resources inside FIC. For hardware, business stuff, etc.. |
| 20:31.51 | guaqua | openmoko project is an open source project like any other, although it's heavily supported by fic |
| 20:31.59 | guaqua | stefan_schmidt: true |
| 20:32.04 | guaqua | but for openmoko |
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| 20:32.15 | hhf423 | so the core team gets some money from FIC. Not much, apparently as "they don't do it for the money" as it says on the website somewhere :-) |
| 20:32.35 | stefan_schmidt | guaqua: And once the we have finished all the restructure stuff for OpenMoko Inc. we will also hire more people. But we need a basement for this. |
| 20:32.50 | hhf423 | and aparently, they are not hiring |
| 20:32.51 | guaqua | i'm thinking they get good enough money, but they also work 247 for the project |
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| 20:33.19 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: Hire will start, but I have no date |
| 20:33.51 | stefan_schmidt | And yes, it's a mixture between freelance work and hobby |
| 20:34.04 | hhf423 | its just when I read the blogs I get the feeling that they guys have way too much to deal with. |
| 20:34.16 | guaqua | they do... |
| 20:35.02 | hhf423 | I understand how hobby/community projects/etc and startups work, and I understand that doing stuff you have never done before is fun, ... |
| 20:35.04 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: That's right, but before we can hire we need plans what and when to do, rooms for local people, deals with the legal department... |
| 20:35.10 | hhf423 | but its not professional :-) |
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| 20:36.03 | guaqua | big words |
| 20:36.04 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: It's not a startup. Most of the people doing this for years |
| 20:36.05 | hhf423 | startups often have support from their VCs for this kind of stuff, doing plans, dealing with legal stuff... |
| 20:36.14 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: no VC |
| 20:36.17 | ScaredyCat | fic isn't a startup |
| 20:36.34 | ScaredyCat | fic get contracted by the likes of nokia to make phones |
| 20:36.37 | writchie|away | fic reveune is about $billion US |
| 20:36.44 | writchie|away | 3 billion |
| 20:36.59 | hhf423 | "doing this" is development of mobile software, right? but what I see is a product development and distribution operation |
| 20:37.12 | hhf423 | yeah, I know what FIC is |
| 20:37.20 | ScaredyCat | then you haven't read the background |
| 20:37.29 | hhf423 | but FIC is not running the show here |
| 20:37.52 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: So what are your suggestions? |
| 20:38.11 | guaqua | i'm off to sleep, nighty night guys :) |
| 20:38.22 | stefan_schmidt | night guaqua |
| 20:38.35 | hhf423 | stefan_schmidt: me doing suggestions at this point in time would be useless, as I have not enough background. |
| 20:38.43 | hhf423 | night guaqua |
| 20:39.00 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: But what is your point then? |
| 20:39.10 | hhf423 | does openmoko.com have a legal structure yet? is it an INC or something? |
| 20:39.32 | stefan_schmidt | As already told: OpenMoko Inc. |
| 20:39.38 | calamous_ | Does anyone know what number they got up to shipping (assuming its US)? |
| 20:39.44 | hhf423 | stefan_schmidt: I do not have a point, yet, I was asking questions |
| 20:40.11 | hhf423 | and the Inc has approx how many employees? |
| 20:40.14 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: No, you say it is not professional... |
| 20:41.10 | ScaredyCat | yes, that's an accusation, not a question |
| 20:41.46 | hhf423 | stefan_schmidt: I said it with a smile, ok? but sure, I said that. I wonder why guys who are better qualified working on the product architecture are dealing with the shipment process |
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| 20:43.03 | hhf423 | so it looks like FIC has no infrastructure for this part of the project and I wonder why they, for example, did not hire a person or two to build it. it looks like the core team is doing that |
| 20:43.07 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: That is indeed sad. Harald is Mr. Perfect, and the webshop we started with was the hell |
| 20:43.28 | hhf423 | yeah, I read the blog about that :-) |
| 20:43.36 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: We had hired people doing it. But it was shit |
| 20:43.59 | stefan_schmidt | And now Harald fixes it up, and I agree that this should not be his job |
| 20:44.03 | ScaredyCat | the blogs are a little close to the edge |
| 20:44.08 | stefan_schmidt | But tell him that... |
| 20:44.54 | stefan_schmidt | And besides the perl script for the shop the work behind is done by ~5 other people, non core-team |
| 20:46.00 | hhf423 | maybe I am naive here, but in my book, there is totally no need to code a shop yourself. shops are commodity services you just buy. |
| 20:46.10 | stefan_schmidt | It's just a hell of organization and restructure atm. Same as in other companies, but we have parts of this also open. Which introduces transparency but also confusion and troubles... |
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| 20:46.36 | Kero | aw, dbus-monitor by default does not listen to all messages... |
| 20:46.40 | hhf423 | and when I say service, I mean service, not even buying a shop system, but a service. you just put the products in and out comes orders and money |
| 20:46.50 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: The php shops you buy are a security nightmare. |
| 20:47.09 | hhf423 | as I said: not buy shop, buy shop service. |
| 20:47.19 | daMaestro | all shops are a nightmare |
| 20:47.29 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: But we also care about privacy of people. For example not store private data of customers by default. |
| 20:47.49 | daMaestro | out of box merchant services are poor... and no real company will use them |
| 20:48.08 | daMaestro | i could care less about how the shop functioned (it could have been debugged more) but oh well |
| 20:48.27 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: In the end the shop itself is the smallest problem. Getting all the shiiping and cc stuff right is a bigger problem. |
| 20:48.43 | daMaestro | the only issue i've cared about is how shipping was handled.. and the lack of pre-thought into the information provided at the purchase site. |
| 20:48.48 | daMaestro | stefan_schmidt, +1 |
| 20:49.00 | daMaestro | stefan_schmidt, and those issues could have been solved by a brief paragraph of text |
| 20:49.14 | stefan_schmidt | Anyway, I'm not a sales or business guy and stop this here. Other stuff todo. |
| 20:49.27 | hhf423 | yeah, communications is an other thing |
| 20:49.34 | ScaredyCat | yeah daMaestro .. communications.. |
| 20:49.40 | ScaredyCat | bad |
| 20:49.51 | hhf423 | so, but I do not want to complain, really, I just wonder why it is that way |
| 20:49.59 | daMaestro | *was* that way |
| 20:50.05 | ScaredyCat | 5 minutes for an email would ahve made stuff lots better |
| 20:50.16 | ScaredyCat | less moaning |
| 20:50.27 | ScaredyCat | etc |
| 20:50.27 | ynezz | now you have 'hear me fix^Wfic' :) |
| 20:50.37 | rtp | stefan_schmidt: hi. |
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| 20:51.05 | ZerothCloned | hello all. |
| 20:51.11 | hads | Anyone discussed creating an app for doing GSM->SIP/SIP->GSM gateway with Openmoko? |
| 20:51.23 | stefan_schmidt | hi rtp |
| 20:51.23 | hhf423 | daMaestro: you just talked about "real" companies, no? From "real" companies, I get a mail when I did place my order, a mail every other day on what the status is, a mail when they have charged my cc, a mail when they have handed the package to UPS and a mail with the tracking number, and a few mails in between :-) |
| 20:51.42 | ynezz | jesus, it's developer preview |
| 20:51.52 | ynezz | so you had shipping preview also |
| 20:51.57 | hhf423 | hahaha |
| 20:51.58 | woglinde | hhf423 whats your problem trolling around? by an iphone |
| 20:52.10 | rtp | stefan_schmidt: did you seen the mails about the modem wakeup on the kernel mailing list ? |
| 20:52.37 | daMaestro | hhf423, most "real" companies don't use out of box commerce software. |
| 20:52.40 | daMaestro | that is what i said. |
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| 20:52.57 | daMaestro | hhf423, and yes.. leave me alone and quit trolling ;-) |
| 20:53.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 660 has been created by cooltlguy(AT)hotmail.com |
| 20:53.02 | cdbot2 | * * dependency on webkit/gtk |
| 20:53.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=660 |
| 20:53.05 | hozer | /m stefan_schmidt do you have any idea who I'd talk to about getting a local wireless carrier (iwirelesss.com) to carry the neo when it's 'ready' |
| 20:53.08 | hozer | heh |
| 20:53.20 | ScaredyCat | +sg :) |
| 20:53.26 | stefan_schmidt | rtp: I have seen them. Need to poke Harald about it. |
| 20:53.48 | stefan_schmidt | rtp: Normally there should be an interupt on an incoming call. |
| 20:54.21 | rtp | stefan_schmidt: yeah but it was on Bv3 errata so I thought it was fixed on Bv4 |
| 20:54.25 | stefan_schmidt | rtp: I'll see what infos I can get the next days. |
| 20:54.47 | ZerothCloned | umm, quick question: has anyone tried to use mokomakefile in the past few days? |
| 20:54.50 | rtp | stefan_schmidt: thanks :) |
| 20:54.54 | stefan_schmidt | rtp: It should be fixed in hardware and GSM firmware. But perhaps not kernel yet |
| 20:55.05 | stefan_schmidt | hozer: (Carrier) No idea |
| 20:55.09 | ScaredyCat | ZerothCloned: just a few mins ago |
| 20:55.16 | hhf423 | hads: I am sure that someone will hook up their openmoko to an asterisk sooner or later |
| 20:55.24 | stefan_schmidt | hozer: Mail to a contact address? |
| 20:55.51 | hozer | stefan_schmidt: I was wondering more who to contact @ fic.. |
| 20:55.52 | rtp | stefan_schmidt: I tried to do what I could with the few infos I have but it seems it was not enough |
| 20:56.00 | stefan_schmidt | ZerothCloned: No, but I build everyday. What's the problem? |
| 20:56.05 | ZerothCloned | had any issues on getting openmoko-rssreader to configure? it won't on mine, because I don't have webkit-gtk |
| 20:56.12 | hads | hhf423: Yes, I'm sure they will too, I was more talking about creating an app to let the device function as a SIP-GSM gateway. |
| 20:56.12 | Mr | I have tryed mokomakefile and cant get it to work - get a error |
| 20:56.14 | hhf423 | hads: but you could do that (GSM/SIP/GSM) today with a Asterisk box, a friend of mine did that with a flat rate mobile phone |
| 20:56.23 | stefan_schmidt | rtp: yeah, I have seen this. Need to get you more infos. :) |
| 20:56.25 | hozer | once my phone shows up I'm goign to go down to the iwireless offices and knock on doors |
| 20:56.39 | stefan_schmidt | hozer: Ah, I would wait a bit with this |
| 20:56.48 | ZerothCloned | tell the iwireless folks its an iphone killer ;-) |
| 20:57.02 | stefan_schmidt | hozer: If you mail coreteam now, you will not get an answer for this, sorry. |
| 20:57.07 | rtp | stefan_schmidt: you can also give only infos, I'll make the kernel patch if one is needed :) |
| 20:57.17 | hozer | stefan_schmidt: that's what I figured |
| 20:57.40 | hhf423 | hads: the device itself? what would that accomplish? I mean, have the phone use SIP over GSM/EGDE data would be good if you had a data flatrate, but what else? |
| 20:58.05 | stefan_schmidt | ZerothCloned: Ah, that one. Fixed today or yesterday. Please update |
| 20:58.10 | hozer | Now.. what would be required to do VOIP over the wifi and do seamless handoff to the cell network like some tmobile phones are supposed to be able to do? |
| 20:58.16 | stefan_schmidt | ZerothCloned: The svn this is |
| 20:58.22 | ZerothCloned | ah, thanks stefan :D |
| 20:58.35 | ZerothCloned | so, do I just use the Mokomakefile update commands? |
| 20:58.48 | stefan_schmidt | ZerothCloned: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=648 |
| 20:58.59 | ScaredyCat | that'll be a problem without carrier iintervention hozer |
| 20:59.08 | hads | hhf423: For example, so you can make and receive GSM calls via VoIP from other phones in your house. |
| 20:59.12 | stefan_schmidt | ZerothCloned: (MokoMakefile) Sorry, not sure how the update is handled. I do it all by hand |
| 20:59.34 | hozer | ScaredyCat: let's assume we have carrier support.. |
| 20:59.44 | hozer | what are the technical details? |
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| 20:59.58 | ynezz | modem |
| 21:00.00 | ynezz | :p |
| 21:00.07 | ynezz | gsm chipset... |
| 21:00.35 | ScaredyCat | speak to squalyl |
| 21:00.41 | ynezz | or see recent thread on mailing list about this |
| 21:00.52 | ScaredyCat | he's got a project |
| 21:00.52 | hozer | ynezz: which list.. |
| 21:01.12 | ynezz | gsmd-devel@lists.openmoko.org |
| 21:01.23 | hhf423 | hads: GSM calls via VoIP? I do not think I get it. If the openmoko could act as a VoIP client, it could be able to receive VoIP via EDGE while outside and via WLAN while at home |
| 21:01.30 | ynezz | hads: 'About GSM/Wifi handover' thread |
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| 21:01.48 | hads | ynezz: Not what I'm talking about |
| 21:02.01 | ZerothCloned | .... oh crap, its starting all over again isn't it? |
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| 21:02.57 | hhf423 | hads: and of course, you could make the phone use your VoIP via WLAN when at home to make calls and GSM only when you're outside |
| 21:03.16 | hads | hhf423: Not what I'm talking about. |
| 21:03.32 | hads | Forget it. |
| 21:03.36 | ynezz | any link about it? |
| 21:04.02 | SpeedEvil | The idea is for a GSM over IP protocol to be implemented. |
| 21:04.15 | hads | About a GSM/SIP gateway, sure, there will loads. |
| 21:04.22 | hhf423 | hads: or do you mean that the phone should hand over an incoming GSM call via VoIP /WLAN to somewhere else? |
| 21:04.24 | SpeedEvil | So that the wifi connection is just an unusually connectged GSM tower |
| 21:04.36 | ynezz | ah |
| 21:04.37 | hads | hhf423: Corect! :) |
| 21:05.08 | SpeedEvil | Your phone 'roams' onto the wifi connection, as it would onto any tower, and from tbe networks position, it looks like any other roaming. |
| 21:05.23 | SpeedEvil | With handover done right. |
| 21:05.58 | hhf423 | hads: I probably took so long because with my provide doing redirect to a land line is free. I always redirect my GSM number to home, when I am home and work, when I am at work |
| 21:05.59 | ynezz | so this has nothing to do with modem/gsm chipset at all |
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| 21:06.53 | jaebird | are you talking gsm voice or gprs data for the handoff? |
| 21:06.57 | hhf423 | hads: but with GPS in the phone, I would automate that :-) |
| 21:06.59 | daMaestro | hhf423, i read that some carriers count redirection against your minutes |
| 21:07.05 | daMaestro | hhf423, it was either tmobile or att |
| 21:07.12 | jaebird | if gsm voice, what incentive does the carrier have? |
| 21:07.23 | hhf423 | daMaestro: most do. but mine does not |
| 21:07.32 | ScaredyCat | lowers their cost/congestions |
| 21:07.32 | stefan_schmidt | Time to sleep. Night folks. |
| 21:07.41 | Gabuda | night |
| 21:07.44 | ScaredyCat | nn |
| 21:07.46 | hhf423 | stefan_schmidt: night |
| 21:07.51 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Good night. |
| 21:07.52 | hads | hhf423: Ah OK. You don't get that here AFAIK, but you can get free calls between mobiles so if you can route mobile calls from your home/office through the gateway then you can save money. |
| 21:07.55 | jaebird | if gprs, even edge is not low latency dependable enough |
| 21:08.04 | jaebird | must be 3G or better |
| 21:08.32 | jaebird | then you have to worry about the ip address changing |
| 21:08.39 | hads | hhf423: And traditional GSM gateways are expensive (I sell them). |
| 21:08.56 | jaebird | when i drive around listening to internet radio stations sometimes the connection is reset and i get another ip address |
| 21:09.06 | hhf423 | hads: yes, they are |
| 21:09.45 | hads | hhf423: And doing it with a phone (if you can do it well) would be a good thing as it's always the same number. |
| 21:11.50 | hhf423 | hads: yes. I mean, if then mobile would use WLAN to hand over the GSM incoming call to my VoIP box at home, I could take the call with my normal phone and the caller would pay GSM rate (which is maybe flat for him) |
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| 21:12.13 | hads | hhf423: Exactly :) |
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| 21:12.33 | hhf423 | hads: and with WLAN there is not much of a lag issue. the phone must just be fast enough to encode from GSM to VoIP and then hand over |
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| 21:12.53 | hhf423 | but probably the neo is fast enough for that |
| 21:13.24 | hads | Yeah, it should be fast enough to transcode one call, if it's even nessecary. |
| 21:13.35 | jaebird | is there a way to detect whether the gsm call is "in network"? |
| 21:13.49 | hozer | that's going to burn up the battery fast though |
| 21:13.54 | jaebird | for carriers where mobile-to-mobile is free? |
| 21:14.22 | jaebird | then we could just use P1 as gateways when P2 is released :) |
| 21:14.52 | hhf423 | hads: even with the developer version, when at home, you could plug the neo into and USB hub for charging which also has a WLAN USB attached and then it automagically forwards calls via WLAN/SIP |
| 21:15.13 | jaebird | start little GSM/VOIP gateways that people can use |
| 21:15.33 | jaebird | that would be sweet |
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| 21:16.40 | daMaestro | jaebird, awesome. |
| 21:16.49 | daMaestro | jaebird, i might end up doing that (if i go with prepay) |
| 21:17.06 | ScaredyCat | why would you reinvent the wheel... |
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| 21:17.35 | daMaestro | why would you not use it as a gateway? |
| 21:17.43 | ScaredyCat | there's half a dozen foss apps you can use already |
| 21:17.53 | daMaestro | prepay + free in-network calling = free phone |
| 21:18.42 | daMaestro | well.. not free, you have to pay $100 to get ~1000 minutes for a year, but yeah |
| 21:18.54 | daMaestro | your account will be active for 365 days for $100 |
| 21:19.23 | daMaestro | all incoming calls would be covered by the 1000 minutes and then you just need to setup some automagic "callback" |
| 21:20.07 | daMaestro | aka 1) auto answer "hello, we'll call you right back..." [using a synthesized voice] 2) init to the gateway and all the phone number back and *then* ring your device |
| 21:20.07 | ScaredyCat | yes, yes, that's not the point - the point is : |
| 21:20.08 | ScaredyCat | ] <ScaredyCat> why would you reinvent the wheel... |
| 21:20.08 | daMaestro | lol |
| 21:20.14 | daMaestro | for fun. |
| 21:20.21 | daMaestro | why else would you? |
| 21:20.24 | ScaredyCat | fine. |
| 21:20.27 | daMaestro | ;-) |
| 21:20.40 | ScaredyCat | if you like to do that fine. |
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| 21:20.53 | daMaestro | well, sure... that is why i bought a neo ;-) |
| 21:21.04 | daMaestro | i actually have a lot of other things i want to work on, but yea |
| 21:21.05 | jaebird | but only M2M calling is free |
| 21:21.11 | ScaredyCat | you're time would be better spent trimming existig apps, yate,freeswitch, asterisk etc |
| 21:21.12 | daMaestro | jaebird, and? |
| 21:21.14 | jaebird | this would force all calls to be M2M |
| 21:21.20 | ZerothCloned | whoot! it worked! Thank you stefan! |
| 21:21.26 | daMaestro | ScaredyCat, yeah.. i know |
| 21:21.35 | daMaestro | ScaredyCat, i want to see about doing a text to voice gateway |
| 21:21.59 | daMaestro | ScaredyCat, so you can "answer your phone" and have the user be talking to a synthesized voice |
| 21:21.59 | daMaestro | lol |
| 21:22.25 | daMaestro | so you can "read" what the caller wants... and either type back a message or actually answer the call |
| 21:23.06 | daMaestro | so when someone calls me my phone answers "what do you want?" they say something... then my phone actually rings with the message of what the user wants... and i can 1) answer 2) type a message or 3) take a voice mail |
| 21:23.06 | daMaestro | lol |
| 21:23.08 | ZerothCloned | thats an interesting idea daMaestro |
| 21:23.20 | ZerothCloned | would also make the phone usable for deaf/hard of hearing people |
| 21:23.24 | ZerothCloned | wider market! |
| 21:23.35 | daMaestro | ahh, so you mean a *real* use for it ;-) |
| 21:23.44 | daMaestro | i would want to use it to just piss my friends off |
| 21:23.48 | ZerothCloned | lol, well, as a hard of hearing person... this would be awesome. |
| 21:24.03 | daMaestro | i'm too lazy to answer my phone.. so i make my phone talk to you |
| 21:24.03 | hhf423 | daMaestro: you could take the viavoice SDK and do that. Pipe voice recording into VV -> text -> display or whatever |
| 21:24.09 | daMaestro | the ultimate mobile spite! |
| 21:24.16 | daMaestro | hhf423, very much so |
| 21:24.20 | ZerothCloned | is it small enough? |
| 21:24.27 | hhf423 | probably not |
| 21:24.41 | hhf423 | and I do not know if there is a ix version |
| 21:25.12 | hhf423 | although that software was (or maybe is) available for AIX |
| 21:26.03 | ScaredyCat | take a look at cepstral |
| 21:26.04 | ewanm89_laptop | night |
| 21:26.13 | daMaestro | it just really would be great to be able to say "hmmm... oh *she* is calling" *presses receptionist button* ("hot" female computer voice) "mr. damaestro's office; what do you want!" |
| 21:26.22 | daMaestro | and then her response would show up as text on my screen |
| 21:27.01 | ScaredyCat | why wouldn't it just play through the speaker |
| 21:27.05 | daMaestro | and if it's not "meet at my place in 5 minutes" *presses take a message button* "i'm sorry, mr. damaestro is not available right now. leave a message" *beep* |
| 21:27.05 | daMaestro | lol |
| 21:27.26 | daMaestro | ScaredyCat, sure... that could be an option too |
| 21:27.30 | ZerothCloned | wow, emacs does everything. Turns out there's a plugin for emacs that does voice->text and text->voice |
| 21:27.33 | daMaestro | but then, why not just answer the phone ;-) |
| 21:27.33 | daMaestro | lol |
| 21:28.01 | ZerothCloned | I mean... emacs is practically an OS all its own. XD |
| 21:28.17 | hhf423 | ZerothCloned: there is a reason why some people answer the question "whats your favirite OS" with "emacs" |
| 21:28.34 | hhf423 | ah, too late :-) |
| 21:29.00 | ZerothCloned | well, its definitely obvious why now. |
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| 21:32.33 | ScaredyCat | so did they actually ship more than 4 ? |
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| 21:35.53 | hhf423 | we hope |
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| 21:36.45 | hhf423 | I'll sacrifice an other penguin at midnight to favour the gods to make my neo ship this week |
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| 21:37.25 | ScaredyCat | surely you sacrifice a god to the penguin |
| 21:37.30 | hhf423 | I needed to sacrifice only two penguins to make the shop acceppt my order |
| 21:37.56 | happycube | heh |
| 21:37.59 | hhf423 | ah, yes. gods, some lame windows users from the street, stuff like that |
| 21:38.22 | happycube | lol |
| 21:38.34 | hhf423 | 22 mins to midnight. I hope the wife did sharpen the knife |
| 21:39.05 | hhf423 | I have a ntp synced clock for just that purpose |
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| 21:39.43 | hhf423 | which reminds me: I want ntp sync on the neo and TZ setting based on GPS location. |
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| 21:39.58 | hhf423 | then again; i think GPS also provides time, no? |
| 21:40.06 | hozer | can't you get a better time from gps anyway? |
| 21:40.16 | hhf423 | yeah, think so, too |
| 21:40.27 | hozer | the treo 650 sets it's timezone from cdma clocks |
| 21:40.32 | hozer | which is quite nice |
| 21:40.37 | ScaredyCat | yes, and you can get it to give you the timezoe offset too |
| 21:40.47 | ScaredyCat | (gps) |
| 21:40.51 | hhf423 | ah, that would be nice |
| 21:41.05 | ScaredyCat | so as you move about, time flies |
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| 21:42.00 | hhf423 | ok, got to go, set up the candles for the sacrifice and such. talk to you all tomorrow. |
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| 21:46.19 | don-o | is anyone at OSCON with a P1 that I can look at? |
| 21:49.37 | rwhitby | don-o: apparently there is a BoF session |
| 21:49.49 | rwhitby | there was a mail about it on the list |
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| 21:53.31 | don-o | rwhitby: thanks. |
| 21:54.22 | SpeedEvil | Where were the limited number of phones to be sold from? It was somewhere on the ML, but I can't find it. |
| 21:55.17 | don-o | the P1_Owners page shows two shipment notices and one receipt of hardware. |
| 21:55.22 | charkins | don-o: I think the BoF time was changed to tonight (mailing list post said tomorrow) |
| 21:55.40 | don-o | charkins: yeah i found the schedule. its tonight, 8:30pm |
| 21:55.50 | charkins | i may see you there then :-) |
| 21:56.04 | don-o | charkins: cool! :) |
| 21:56.21 | charkins | dunno if there will be a phone there though |
| 21:56.52 | don-o | charkins: i have a feeling the powers of nerddom will conjure up a phone |
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| 22:00.22 | don-o | im scanning the mailing list for a subject of "OMG! I GOTZ MY NEO" |
| 22:00.25 | don-o | but i dont see anything |
| 22:00.36 | SpeedEvil | don-o - have logs? |
| 22:00.39 | SpeedEvil | of here |
| 22:00.50 | don-o | SpeedEvil: yeah, i should backscroll? how far? |
| 22:00.57 | SpeedEvil | Earlier, there was a UPS tracking number posted. |
| 22:01.03 | SpeedEvil | And it was finally delivered |
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| 22:01.11 | SpeedEvil | I changed the topic at that time |
| 22:01.23 | SpeedEvil | Umm. |
| 22:01.26 | don-o | SpeedEvil: oh ok. cool. |
| 22:01.56 | SpeedEvil | 18:08 <SpeedEvil> |
| 22:01.57 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.05 | woglinde | hehehehehe |
| 22:02.06 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 22:06.28 | hozer | /me's girlfriend called and said a UPS package showed up |
| 22:06.35 | charkins | woohoo! my phone is going to be delivered today! |
| 22:06.49 | jaebird | update P1 page |
| 22:06.52 | jaebird | pls |
| 22:06.54 | hozer | and I got all excited.. but it was only a case I ordered for my treo :-< |
| 22:06.56 | daMaestro | charkins, where... where are you getting this information? |
| 22:07.01 | charkins | will do once i get notified its delivered |
| 22:07.03 | woglinde | hehe |
| 22:07.05 | woglinde | gratz |
| 22:07.11 | SpeedEvil | UPS tracking numbers have been emailed. |
| 22:07.15 | SpeedEvil | For a select few. |
| 22:07.15 | charkins | daMaestro: got e-mail with tracking number, package is in transit |
| 22:07.20 | SpeedEvil | You can track those on the website. |
| 22:07.30 | hozer | charkins: update the P1 page that you have a tracking number |
| 22:07.34 | Arachnid | Woohoo! Work visa approved! |
| 22:07.44 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, i've not gotten a notice |
| 22:07.46 | daMaestro | so that sucks |
| 22:07.48 | charkins | unfortunately i'm at oscon, so I won't see it for a few days |
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| 22:08.38 | woglinde | charkins ;) |
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| 22:13.36 | mmazur | charkins, from: with the standard 'via RT'? |
| 22:14.26 | charkins | mmazur: yup |
| 22:15.43 | charkins | two messages, one that says the issue is resolved (obviously an artifact of using a ticket tracking system for tracking orders), then a second with a ups tracking number (both w/ the via RT from:) |
| 22:16.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[Web_Browser]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Iowa-Ames]] [[Guitar_Tuning]] [[Wishlist:EggTimer]] [[Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] [[Music_Player]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Ede]] [[Translation]] and other changes |
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| 22:25.19 | woglinde | elrond hehe |
| 22:25.25 | woglinde | 2 weeks? |
| 22:25.27 | woglinde | counter? |
| 22:25.27 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-21 06:20) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 75% in a day 06:47:16 (1.283±1.3 days) (1778;251) |
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| 22:26.19 | Elrond | Hi ckuethe |
| 22:26.43 | ckuethe | EHLO |
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| 22:34.24 | woglinde | *g* |
| 22:35.19 | Jason1 | got ssh working finally |
| 22:35.36 | ferric | woo |
| 22:35.41 | ferric | Jason1: how's the phone doing? |
| 22:36.06 | Jason1 | ferric: Its more of a paper weight at the moment, however I am making progress |
| 22:36.19 | ferric | cool |
| 22:36.25 | don-o | Jason1: how functional is the image it comes with? can it make or take calls? |
| 22:37.11 | Kero | ha, I understand DBus much better now. |
| 22:37.20 | Jason1 | ferric: It is now booting, i can ssh into it. Still have not made a call. Now that I can ssh instead of terminal w/ the stylus, I shoul be able to figure out why gmsd is not working |
| 22:37.54 | woglinde | right |
| 22:37.59 | woglinde | restart it |
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| 22:45.33 | abraxa_ | Elrond: From what I gather the buildhost will start updating again when the new GUI is merged into trunk |
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| 22:47.18 | cesarb | Jason1: btw, congrats on getting the first phone ;-) |
| 22:47.45 | Jason1 | cesarb: Thanks. I am stoked |
| 22:49.19 | bmidgley | we have a retail phone out there? awesome |
| 22:49.42 | Jason1 | bmidgley: Yup :): |
| 22:50.04 | bmidgley | i've had a developer p1 for a few weeks |
| 22:50.14 | Jason1 | Anyone know if this line: ".now, you'll end up with system that boots, but does not see audio/SD card. You'll need to download corresponding modules.tgz and copy them over to openmoko." is relevant on the GTA01 phones? |
| 22:50.23 | Jason1 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko |
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| 22:51.13 | bmidgley | hopefully it'll get somewhere with lots of devel and end-user feedback |
| 22:51.57 | cesarb | Jason1: check /lib/modules |
| 22:52.03 | cesarb | Jason1: also "lsmod" |
| 22:52.13 | woglinde | jason ls -la /lib/modules |
| 22:52.15 | woglinde | right |
| 22:52.16 | cesarb | Jason1: if it loaded the modules, shouldn't be a problem |
| 22:52.21 | woglinde | there are no modules per default |
| 22:52.31 | bmidgley | Jason1: I filed a bug on that and in recent images it seems to work out of the box |
| 22:52.31 | woglinde | modules need for sound and mmc card |
| 22:52.47 | bmidgley | both on audio and sd |
| 22:53.12 | Jason1 | sd is working. not sure about sound. have note *heard* a peep from it :) |
| 22:53.12 | bmidgley | boot with a card and it should appear on /media/card |
| 22:53.30 | Jason1 | yeah. SD is recognized |
| 22:53.43 | bmidgley | a few revs ago there was a startup sound but it either regressed or someone got annoyed and killed it |
| 22:53.46 | cesarb | Jason1: I wouldn't be surprised if ALSA boots muted... IIRC, it mutes the sound "card" by default |
| 22:54.12 | Jason1 | looks like the sounds modules are loaded too... So, general consuses is "not needed" then? |
| 22:54.21 | cesarb | Jason1: yep |
| 22:54.40 | bmidgley | there is a note on the wiki about playing an mp3 through the headset... you should try it |
| 22:54.45 | bmidgley | i couldn't get stereo sound out |
| 22:54.46 | cesarb | Jason1: a lot of the wiki pages are either outdated or flat out wrong, take them with a grain of salt |
| 22:55.05 | bmidgley | Jason1: it came with the stereo headset right? |
| 22:55.21 | Jason1 | cesarb: LOL. I know. Im kinda on new ground here :) |
| 22:56.27 | Jason1 | bmidgley: Yup :) |
| 22:58.11 | Jason1 | any have any isights into libgsmd-tool? I have restart gsmd and it appears to be running, but libgsmd-tool wont start. It replies "Can't connect to gsmd" |
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| 22:59.42 | Jason1 | damn I cant spell tonight |
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| 23:01.10 | bug_ | jason1: could you write to the wiki what you have done to get the p1 from "delivery" status to a "running" (or walking :-) ) system ? |
| 23:02.05 | Jason1 | bug_: Yeah, I plan to. I have been keeping notes. There is a fairly good guide at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko that just needs a little updating |
| 23:02.06 | bug_ | (if the wiki is wrong or outdated)) |
| 23:02.29 | bug_ | cool ! thanks!!! |
| 23:03.41 | bmidgley | Jason1: a good way to test audio... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem#Phase0_Quick_Start |
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| 23:07.42 | bmidgley | we need an mp3 that just has someone say "right" out the right spk and then "left" out the left |
| 23:07.51 | bmidgley | no one believes me the audio comes out mono |
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| 23:17.09 | Jason1 | FYI, found my problem w/ gsmd: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=627 |
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| 23:35.46 | daMaestro | sooo, can i assume that seeing as how i have *not* gotten my shipping tracking number that my phone did not ship? |
| 23:35.58 | daMaestro | even though i have been billed? |
| 23:50.19 | Jason1 | daMaestro: All may not be lost. My tracking number came this morning even though my device shipped yesterday afternoon. By the time FIC sent my tracking number, it already showed as "Out for Delivery" |
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| 23:51.26 | daMaestro | ahh cool |
| 23:51.37 | daMaestro | yes, i was bitching that you would never show back up ;-) |
| 23:52.00 | Jason1 | lol. I had too. the device doesnt work out of the box :) |
| 23:52.11 | daMaestro | i'm just trying to track down if there are other issues with my order |
| 23:52.12 | cesarb | Jason1: perhaps they were sending all the boxes before starting adding the tracking numbers to RT? |
| 23:52.18 | daMaestro | the charge is still in "pre-auth" state |
| 23:52.23 | Jason1 | cesarb: exactly... |
| 23:52.46 | Jason1 | daMaestro: Did your CC company contact you? |
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| 23:54.00 | daMaestro | Jason1, yes |
| 23:54.07 | daMaestro | Jason1, they actually turned off my card |
| 23:54.07 | daMaestro | lol |
| 23:54.17 | Jason1 | daMaestro: Mine too. |
| 23:54.18 | daMaestro | Jason1, but i called them and authorized the charge |
| 23:54.39 | Jason1 | daMaestro: Someone was saying that they didnt call back fast enough, and the CC company denied the charge |
| 23:55.00 | bmidgley | the charge must look really fishy to the cc company |
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| 23:55.27 | Jason1 | I never buy international... |
| 23:56.11 | bmidgley | from US... my first i'l charge was a cash advance in Helsinki with no questions asked |
| 23:56.28 | bmidgley | I didn't even buy the airline tickets so they couldn't guess I was there |
| 23:56.45 | Jason1 | bmidgley: go figure... |
| 23:57.53 | calamous_ | daMaestro: My CC's transaction is still pending ("authorized") too and they say if its not done in 6 more days they will release it |
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| 23:58.07 | calamous_ | Do we have to do anything? |
| 23:58.26 | calamous_ | Do you know how many were shipped yesterday? |
| 23:59.35 | Jason1 | calamous_: Wiki indicates not many,,,, |
