| 00:02.20 | Psi_ | afawk know one has got the 'your item has been shipped' email yet. right? |
| 00:02.28 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:03.22 | Psi_ | probably waiting until they have a large batch ready, then they can do them all at once |
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| 00:08.01 | calamous__ | Are they really waiting for a large batch before shipping? |
| 00:08.24 | calamous__ | When I pay $50 dollars for shipping I expect my item will be shipped out as soon as its in a box |
| 00:08.32 | writchie | nobody knows what they are doing - not even them? |
| 00:09.10 | calamous__ | When I ordered on july 8th I though next day ment it would arrive on wed. There is no point of paying for expensive shipping if your choices are 19 days or 22 days |
| 00:09.31 | SpeedEvil | calamous__: shipping is _drastically_ reduced |
| 00:09.35 | SpeedEvil | they are going UPS |
| 00:09.54 | calamous__ | SpeedEvil: If they do it in bulk? |
| 00:10.14 | hads | calamous__: Take it easy, have some patience. |
| 00:10.22 | Arachnid | It is a lot less than originally |
| 00:10.30 | Arachnid | But $55 (in my case) is still a lot for shipping to NZ |
| 00:10.44 | hads | It's not that much really. |
| 00:10.52 | calamous__ | Hads: yes i know. |
| 00:11.40 | Arachnid | It's a lot more than I've been charged for anything else comparable, and it is a bit annoying that it's costing that much and still not (apparrently) shipping promptly |
| 00:11.43 | Arachnid | but oh well. :/ |
| 00:12.01 | hads | Arachnid: You can easily pay $300 to ship a carton from Australia to NZ |
| 00:12.05 | Arachnid | Can't expect the world from a company that doesn't normally deal with b2c |
| 00:12.10 | daMaestro | well... technically i've only been billed 1-2 days ago |
| 00:12.11 | Arachnid | hads: What sort of carton are you talking about? |
| 00:12.22 | Arachnid | It'd be a lot bigger than a cellphone to cost that much. |
| 00:12.39 | hads | Yes, but it's a lot darer too. |
| 00:12.42 | SpeedEvil | The box looks 30cm*25cm*15cm |
| 00:12.48 | Arachnid | What's your point? |
| 00:13.05 | Arachnid | You can pay several thousand to have an entire shipping container sent internationally |
| 00:13.15 | Arachnid | Doesn't change the fact that $50 for a cellphone is high. |
| 00:13.17 | hads | *yawn* |
| 00:14.34 | hads | International shipping is expensive. Get over it. 30cm*25cm*15cm isn't small. |
| 00:14.54 | cesarb | This way I don't get the crazy order system bugs, YES_I_DO bash scripting, and confused shipping proccess |
| 00:15.56 | daMaestro | i just want a new phone i can hack on |
| 00:16.42 | calamous__ | caesarb: Granted opening the site before they were ready to ship gave them a metric for the qty of orders. but I feel that they should have waited untell they could ship before they sold |
| 00:17.45 | daMaestro | g.r.o.w.i.n.g. p.a.i.n.s. s.u.c.k. ... but we all have them at some point |
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| 00:19.26 | calamous_ | Can I ask a questing about broadband to someone who is not from the U.S: What is your speed and how much is it per month? |
| 00:19.56 | Babble | anyone tried writing software for any other phones? |
| 00:21.13 | SrRaven | 6mbit and I pay like 20 bucks or so |
| 00:21.27 | calamous_ | SrRaven: What country? |
| 00:21.34 | SrRaven | the good old germany |
| 00:21.49 | cesarb | calamous_: supposed to be 300kbit/s but their limiter seems to be broken, paying about R$70 |
| 00:21.52 | mjr | 12/2M (12/3 nominal but cable limits), 70 euros per month. A bit more expensive than most competitors but static IPs, servers allowed, IRC support etc. |
| 00:21.55 | calamous_ | Wow. In the U.S. I have 3mbs if i'm luckly and its $50 |
| 00:21.58 | mjr | "The geek ISP" |
| 00:22.17 | Arachnid | hads: I'm well acquainted with international shipping costs, having lived in NZ all my life, and $55 is expensive for what's being shipped. |
| 00:22.29 | Arachnid | I've shipped bigger and heavier things for less. |
| 00:22.42 | hads | OK that's fine. You win. |
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| 00:22.57 | calamous_ | If anyone reads the NY times there is a good oped abut the Internet to home-users (end users) being crappy and expensive in the U.S. |
| 00:26.32 | mjr | (oh yeah, and "not the first ones to jump onto the internet censorship bandwagon" counts as a plus for an ISP too) |
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| 00:31.57 | Babble | so is the openmoko framework already written? |
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| 00:35.46 | mjr | Babble, in-progress |
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| 00:46.44 | kristian-m | hmm: http://lunapark6.com/nokia-n800-now-with-skype.html |
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| 01:02.09 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone happen to know the bluetooth licensing fee? |
| 01:02.14 | SpeedEvil | per item sold |
| 01:03.18 | writchie | wasn't it covered in the chipset? |
| 01:03.36 | SpeedEvil | I'm wondering what the fundamental is. |
| 01:04.02 | writchie | i just guessing a couple of dimes |
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| 01:04.34 | writchie | at most |
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| 01:06.29 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: perhaps because cramming both the analog and digital parts in a single chip is more expensive? |
| 01:07.24 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: (IIRC, there's a standard to connect the digital and the analog chips for bluetooth, so you could even mix-and-match with two chips) |
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| 01:08.39 | SpeedEvil | http://www.nordicsemi.no/index.cfm?obj=product&act=display&pro=80 - 3 pounds 40 IIRC in ones. |
| 01:09.06 | SpeedEvil | I can't seem to find comparable bluetooth chips. |
| 01:10.02 | writchie | the vast majority of BT chips are to handset vendors at around $2 |
| 01:10.37 | writchie | you can find less than 1K qty for around $6 from csr |
| 01:10.44 | kristian-m | SpeedEvil aren't there bt+wlan-chips - i would guess that what we'll get for P2 |
| 01:10.58 | writchie | no |
| 01:11.06 | writchie | atheros for P2 WiLan |
| 01:11.13 | writchie | low power |
| 01:11.15 | kristian-m | ah rigth |
| 01:11.15 | SpeedEvil | I'm interested in other things. I want to make cheap bluetooth stuff. |
| 01:11.25 | writchie | WiFi is power hog. |
| 01:11.28 | SpeedEvil | Stuff like a button. |
| 01:11.42 | writchie | Speed: BT standard or BT like |
| 01:13.02 | SpeedEvil | I'd like actual BT |
| 01:13.11 | SpeedEvil | Otherwise there are several solutions. |
| 01:13.27 | don-o | zigbee |
| 01:13.46 | writchie | for true BT Broadcom and CSR are best bet for small guys |
| 01:13.59 | SpeedEvil | Zigbee is nice - but seems to be almost not existing. |
| 01:14.13 | SpeedEvil | search froogle or ebay for zigbee, forex. |
| 01:14.32 | SpeedEvil | writchie: Will look. |
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| 01:15.07 | writchie | can you live with BGA devices |
| 01:15.12 | SpeedEvil | Unhappily. |
| 01:15.23 | SpeedEvil | I'd love a DIP8 bluetooth-I2C module :) |
| 01:15.44 | SpeedEvil | It might actually be big enough to integrate a ceramic antenna - for dual win. |
| 01:15.45 | writchie | can be done |
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| 01:15.54 | writchie | what price point and volume |
| 01:16.09 | SpeedEvil | That's the problem. |
| 01:16.27 | SpeedEvil | At the moment, I'm in ones and twos. Tens if it's cheap enough. |
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| 01:18.07 | writchie | class 2? |
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| 01:18.15 | writchie | version 2.0 |
| 01:19.30 | SpeedEvil | At the moment I'm just wondering what's out there. |
| 01:19.53 | writchie | national has some relatively low cost serial solutions |
| 01:20.08 | writchie | free2move has some modules around $50 small qty. |
| 01:20.39 | SpeedEvil | How easy is it to get small quantities of the csr parts? |
| 01:20.48 | writchie | www.digikey.com |
| 01:21.03 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I hadn't found bt stuff there last I looked |
| 01:21.15 | writchie | assuming you're not after modifying the firmware |
| 01:21.29 | writchie | best bet is stick with UART interface |
| 01:21.39 | writchie | put your stuff on separate arm7 or whatever. |
| 01:21.51 | writchie | you can get arm7 for a couple of bugs these days. |
| 01:21.56 | writchie | and use open source tools |
| 01:22.04 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 01:22.18 | SpeedEvil | I really would prefer to avoid writing a whole BT stack. |
| 01:22.28 | writchie | to work on BT at OEM level you need dev kits few thousand a pop |
| 01:22.52 | writchie | nobody writes the stack - only rfcomm and above |
| 01:22.57 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
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| 01:24.01 | writchie | actually - you might need your own L2CAP |
| 01:24.03 | SpeedEvil | Extremely tempted to simply say screw it, and go with the cheap nordic RF chips. Around a pound for each end of the link. Nice serial interface. Available in ones. |
| 01:24.23 | SpeedEvil | Problem is of course - totally nonstandard. |
| 01:24.33 | writchie | depend on what you want to do. |
| 01:24.47 | writchie | have to do your own hopping or finding free channels |
| 01:24.51 | writchie | 2.4 junk band is a mess |
| 01:25.05 | SpeedEvil | I would really like to make stuff that can connect to >1 computer. And bluetooth 'just works'. |
| 01:25.20 | writchie | BT does a lot for a few bucks. |
| 01:25.39 | writchie | the modules are out there - just need to find them in china |
| 01:26.17 | writchie | BT works and has the numbers |
| 01:26.20 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - not easily in ones and twos, been looking for a bit. |
| 01:26.30 | SpeedEvil | need to look harder. |
| 01:26.48 | writchie | is this for money or play |
| 01:27.09 | SpeedEvil | play initially. |
| 01:27.16 | SpeedEvil | Hopefully to actually sel. |
| 01:27.43 | writchie | nordic stuff is fun and educational |
| 01:28.02 | writchie | you work at a low level |
| 01:28.31 | writchie | hardware needs to be thousands of units. |
| 01:28.46 | writchie | i.e. for BT |
| 01:29.05 | writchie | unless its for hobby market like robotics |
| 01:29.41 | SpeedEvil | Largely hobby market basically. |
| 01:30.05 | SpeedEvil | Stuff nobodies doing, but would be fun. |
| 01:30.37 | writchie | can't beat a philips ARM with nordic RF |
| 01:31.08 | SpeedEvil | For the sort of stuff I'm doing, AVR, or PIC might also match well. |
| 01:31.15 | writchie | arm7 is making the 8051 and pic stuff obsolete |
| 01:31.38 | writchie | too much pain when you can get an ARM7 for a couple of bucks and open source tool chain |
| 01:32.31 | writchie | PIC programming model is way too ugly for 21st century |
| 01:33.13 | writchie | ti 430 another choice with a decent programming model. |
| 01:33.46 | writchie | 430 is great for very low power |
| 01:34.45 | SpeedEvil | PIC/AVR are both very cheap, if you can live with the low end. |
| 01:34.55 | SpeedEvil | Also small, and light on power in 32Khz mode |
| 01:35.19 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: PICs are fun. I used to program with the 12F series |
| 01:37.05 | writchie | when you can get an ARM7 for $3 qty one, why would you want the pain of a pic or avr |
| 01:37.30 | calamous_ | writchie: what form factors is the ARM7 available in? |
| 01:37.39 | SpeedEvil | Because I can get a pic for $1 qty 1, I know how to program them, and they come in tiny packages |
| 01:37.59 | writchie | 48-lqfp |
| 01:38.01 | calamous_ | writchie: PICs are nice for startup projects because you can get them in DIP |
| 01:38.53 | writchie | get a DIP board with an nxp on it. |
| 01:39.23 | writchie | i guess it depends on what your time is worth. |
| 01:39.33 | calamous_ | writchie: whats nxp? |
| 01:39.48 | SpeedEvil | Currently stuck on a FM radio chip. |
| 01:39.52 | writchie | nxp is renamed philips semi |
| 01:39.59 | calamous_ | ok |
| 01:40.01 | SpeedEvil | Can get them in packages of 380, but... |
| 01:40.20 | writchie | how about package of 1 |
| 01:40.22 | SpeedEvil | I2C - 8 pin - 8 passives gets you a FM radio. |
| 01:40.31 | calamous_ | Do either of you guys prefer mouser or dikikey? |
| 01:40.38 | calamous_ | digikey* |
| 01:40.41 | SpeedEvil | neither stocks them |
| 01:40.48 | writchie | digikey never ever disappoints |
| 01:40.50 | SpeedEvil | I'm in hte UK. |
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| 01:41.01 | calamous_ | oh |
| 01:41.02 | SpeedEvil | They both have horrible shipping charges. |
| 01:41.08 | writchie | mouser is also good but not quite as organized. |
| 01:41.22 | writchie | Speed: but sterling is up |
| 01:41.50 | writchie | don't you guys have a digikey equivalent there |
| 01:42.02 | writchie | f something |
| 01:42.10 | SpeedEvil | writchie: farnell.com, rswww.com |
| 01:42.19 | SpeedEvil | rapidonline.com is also good for some stuff |
| 01:42.25 | writchie | yeah - they don't sell nxp in small qty |
| 01:42.30 | SpeedEvil | But nowhere near the broadness of line. |
| 01:42.55 | writchie | i've been using digikey since they their catalog was ten pages |
| 01:43.23 | writchie | but all these prices are nothing like asia |
| 01:44.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Variometer]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Central_Florida]] [[Writchie]] [[Solar_power]] [[Camera]] [[Talk:Mokopedia]] |
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| 02:06.37 | daMaestro | ok.. so i see not party, so i would assume there are no shipment confirmations for today |
| 02:06.40 | daMaestro | it is 7pm EDT |
| 02:06.52 | daMaestro | s/not/not/ |
| 02:06.55 | daMaestro | grrrr |
| 02:06.57 | daMaestro | s/not/no/ |
| 02:08.31 | sagacis | heh heh... Typos on typos |
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| 02:08.41 | sagacis | No charge confirmation for me, either |
| 02:10.08 | daMaestro | i was waiting for the bot to backfire with my nice s/a/a/ |
| 02:13.11 | sagacis | I don't think it noticed |
| 02:13.45 | sagacis | Anyone tried to run qemu on windows yet? It may be sacrilege, but I gotta ask. |
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| 02:48.06 | jaebird | aahh sacrilege :) |
| 02:48.23 | sagacis | 'evenin' |
| 02:48.34 | jaebird | yo... |
| 02:48.40 | jaebird | nothin' new i gather? |
| 02:48.53 | sagacis | Nuttin |
| 02:49.03 | sagacis | Quiet nite in the chat room, too |
| 02:49.07 | jaebird | my qemu is still up from the other day :) |
| 02:49.14 | jaebird | my pc is too old for this |
| 02:49.16 | jaebird | :( |
| 02:49.25 | sagacis | Mine was up all weekend |
| 02:49.36 | bkruse_home | mines been up 300 days. |
| 02:49.43 | bkruse_home | :P |
| 02:49.55 | jaebird | dang... |
| 02:50.04 | jaebird | what are you running? |
| 02:50.29 | sagacis | I haven't been watching moko for 300 days, let alone run it |
| 02:50.29 | jaebird | i change out ubuntu version more often than that :) |
| 02:50.58 | bkruse_home | haha |
| 02:51.02 | bkruse_home | debian + fluxbox here |
| 02:51.05 | bkruse_home | for this week anyways... |
| 02:51.58 | sagacis | Hmm... Iphone pic http://poopforbrains.com/2007/7/23/crashed |
| 02:52.34 | bkruse_home | thats not a crah |
| 02:52.35 | bkruse_home | crash* |
| 02:52.54 | bkruse_home | looks like someone just rooted it, and ran fschk? hm |
| 02:53.20 | sagacis | "/bin/sh not found?" |
| 02:53.28 | sagacis | It doesn't look good... |
| 02:53.45 | bkruse_home | haha |
| 02:53.48 | bkruse_home | ln -s |
| 02:54.02 | jaebird | funny quote: a phone that can't make calls is crashed! |
| 02:54.20 | jaebird | openmoko can't make calls...ok AT commands don't count :) |
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| 02:57.01 | sagacis | Openmoko can't make calls, since it doesn't exist... |
| 02:57.06 | sagacis | At least here, that is... |
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| 03:44.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[User:Writchie]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Writchie]] [[Current_events]] |
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| 04:36.47 | mokobot | Hallelujah! |
| 04:39.00 | holycow | hello moko |
| 04:39.02 | holycow | lol |
| 04:39.04 | holycow | you know what? |
| 04:39.09 | holycow | i want to go work for moko |
| 04:39.11 | holycow | seriously |
| 04:39.23 | holycow | i've been thinking about all the cool things one can do with the damned thing |
| 04:39.59 | holycow | has the ordering been straightened out? |
| 04:40.10 | blindcoder | moin |
| 04:41.02 | summatusmentis | holycow: I'm pretty sure you're not going to be the only applicant when the 'jobs' portion of www.openmoko.com has listings |
| 04:41.10 | holycow | haha |
| 04:41.16 | holycow | moko sad |
| 04:41.36 | holycow | moko ordering emotionally filling pizza |
| 04:41.41 | holycow | i want a job on the marketing team |
| 04:41.50 | holycow | moko has new friends |
| 04:41.57 | holycow | moko hates haters |
| 04:41.59 | holycow | and on and on |
| 04:42.15 | holycow | don't make war make moko |
| 04:42.16 | holycow | rofl |
| 04:43.24 | holycow | touch my moko? |
| 04:43.25 | holycow | my god |
| 04:43.29 | holycow | someone turn it off |
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| 05:08.56 | Jason1 | we know moko has an opening for a shipping clerk :) |
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| 05:13.45 | holycow | Jason1, done! |
| 05:14.02 | Jason1 | hehe |
| 05:18.59 | daMaestro | :-D |
| 05:19.12 | holycow | rofl |
| 05:19.30 | holycow | where are these clowns located anyway? |
| 05:19.32 | holycow | taiwan? |
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| 05:19.43 | holycow | i've been meaning to take a vacation, i should just fly over ther eand help out |
| 05:19.45 | holycow | lol |
| 05:19.51 | Jason1 | :) |
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| 05:44.28 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] |
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| 05:54.27 | holycow | http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/ubuntulive/index.html |
| 05:54.32 | holycow | check it out mokomonkeys |
| 05:55.35 | holycow | thats what i'm calling all you bozos from now on |
| 05:55.37 | holycow | mokomonkey |
| 05:55.42 | holycow | my mokomonkeys! |
| 05:55.44 | holycow | muahaha! |
| 06:01.12 | duffyd | holycow: hey thanks for the update! |
| 06:01.43 | holycow | nifty huh? |
| 06:04.41 | duffyd | yup |
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| 06:07.33 | happycube | awesome |
| 06:08.38 | ynezz | nice, #4188 |
| 06:09.39 | ynezz | ~2370 ordered |
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| 06:28.07 | Kero | Payment received! :D |
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| 06:32.55 | daMaestro | i'm starting to think that i should have gotten the advanced |
| 06:33.14 | daMaestro | the only way you can make your device useless is if you b0rk uboot right? |
| 06:33.59 | ynezz | yes |
| 06:34.20 | ynezz | and you shouldn't need to update uboot |
| 06:35.00 | daMaestro | ok, good |
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| 06:43.48 | ynezz | charged! |
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| 07:21.30 | squalyl | hi everyone |
| 07:22.01 | squalyl | I just started a draft explaining how to build a bitbake package |
| 07:23.49 | squalyl | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Create_a_package_from_existing_sources |
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| 07:24.13 | squalyl | could you say what you think about it? It's not complete, I know |
| 07:24.43 | squalyl | Ah, I'm french, so if you find bad expressions, feel free to correct it :) |
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| 07:27.50 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:44.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Denis_std]] [[Solar_power]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Talk:Mokopedia]] |
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| 07:47.40 | ScaredyCat | LarstiQ: nice sorting :) |
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| 07:51.50 | ynezz | yep |
| 07:52.23 | ynezz | squalyl: nice! |
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| 07:52.48 | blek | has anyone received their phone yet? |
| 07:52.49 | aloril | blek: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 07:53.28 | ynezz | blek: I don't think so |
| 07:53.56 | ynezz | nobody has received any tracking number yet |
| 07:54.23 | blek | I've been getting emails telling me they haven't shipped mine yet... and now silence for 3 days. |
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| 07:55.18 | blek | but people have received "we've charged your card" right? |
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| 07:56.37 | Dmitry_Platonov | blek, right |
| 07:57.19 | FuzzyCat | ~p1 |
| 07:57.42 | mokobot | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 07:57.49 | FuzzyCat | feck me... |
| 07:57.59 | FuzzyCat | I typed it faster than that! |
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| 07:58.29 | FuzzyCat | mokobot: mokobot is <reply>I'm so slow. |
| 07:58.29 | mokobot | okay, FuzzyCat |
| 07:58.51 | ewanm89_laptop | ~mokobot |
| 07:58.52 | apt | i guess mokobot is a lousy competitor |
| 07:58.52 | mokobot | I'm so slow. |
| 07:59.02 | FuzzyCat | lol |
| 07:59.13 | blek | I'm going to Australia on Thu, they better ship today or I'm gonna be pretty PO'd that it's sitting here for 5 weeks while I'm gone... |
| 07:59.54 | ewanm89_laptop | FuzzyCat: Why? |
| 08:00.09 | blek | it's getting a bit ridiculous... |
| 08:00.19 | ewanm89_laptop | Now that's ganging up on me. |
| 08:00.28 | FuzzyCat | :) |
| 08:00.59 | FuzzyCat | he's not happy |
| 08:01.54 | ewanm89_laptop | Well he hasn't figured that he is debugging the OSDS yet. |
| 08:02.00 | squalyl | about http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-July/001066.html, what is the "task-bootstrap" thing? |
| 08:03.29 | squalyl | (now I have succeeded to get an .ipk from my project, so I have to put it in the rootfs :) ) |
| 08:04.17 | FuzzyCat | wasn't that included in the example (mokomakefile page) |
| 08:04.33 | LarstiQ | ScaredyCat: it wasn't me! Could be someone scraped my stuff though *checks logs* |
| 08:04.41 | FuzzyCat | :o |
| 08:04.47 | grobian | hi gys |
| 08:06.35 | squalyl | FuzzyCat: good idea, i'm checking |
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| 08:21.45 | XorA|gone | rtp: time to find your bug |
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| 08:23.17 | moox | hi there. Does someone working to embed ruby into openmoko ? |
| 08:23.38 | XorA|gone | moox: ruby is in OE, but I think it suffers bitrot |
| 08:24.26 | moox | XorA|gone: sorry, I don't understand 'bitrot' |
| 08:25.48 | XorA|gone | moox: not many use it, therefore it tends to not work |
| 08:26.05 | moox | mmh ok. |
| 08:26.16 | XorA|gone | moox: but basic ruby stuff should run |
| 08:26.45 | moox | I hope gtk bindings will work too |
| 08:26.59 | XorA|gone | moox: nothing like giving it a spin and reporting bugs |
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| 08:27.08 | rtp | XorA|gone: hi. I've sent you some mails about it yesterday. I'm not sure about the adress. Did you get them ? |
| 08:27.17 | XorA|gone | rtp: got one with a patch series |
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| 08:27.28 | rtp | XorA|gone: there's a second one :) |
| 08:27.41 | XorA | rtp: that one seem to be AWOL then |
| 08:27.48 | moox | thre is a 'crontab' like in OE / Omoko ? |
| 08:28.29 | XorA | rtp: oh wait, found one, you fixed the error? |
| 08:29.31 | rtp | XorA: yeah, I removed a patch (asoc-platform-hw_init-pcm_emulation-fix.patch) and this patch seems to be needed |
| 08:29.59 | XorA | rtp: feel free to push that patch up, I missed noticing it in neo kernel |
| 08:30.04 | XorA | rtp: and its a clear bug |
| 08:30.16 | ewanm89_laptop | Ruby runs fine. |
| 08:30.45 | rtp | XorA: technically, it's not my patch :) |
| 08:31.00 | ewanm89_laptop | Ruby gems management is a bit of a problem though. |
| 08:31.08 | XorA | rtp: apparently anyone can submit a patch as long as Signoff statements are correct |
| 08:31.13 | ScaredyCat | 3) If you ordered an ORANGE phone, this will also be shipped from |
| 08:31.13 | ScaredyCat | the second batch of phones arriving next week. |
| 08:31.19 | ScaredyCat | ouch! |
| 08:31.36 | XorA | ewanm89_laptop: ruby gems are zlib compressed? |
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| 08:31.43 | moox | ewanm89_laptop: what is the problem with gem ? It is a very usefull package manger |
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| 08:32.10 | ewanm89_laptop | I beleive it uses a touch to much RAM. |
| 08:32.12 | rtp | XorA: yeah. I'll submit it then. It's just I was not the one being able to say if it's proper fix or a bad hack |
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| 08:32.39 | XorA | rtp: its a proper fix, Harald told me ages ago about it, I totally forgot |
| 08:32.46 | moox | ewanm89_laptop: do you think it is possible to add a swap file on the SD card ? |
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| 08:33.17 | mjr | it's possible, but it'll likely burn the card through quite a bit faster than if you wouldn't... |
| 08:33.32 | ewanm89_laptop | moox: It is, and some people are, also manual install of libaries works. |
| 08:33.44 | XorA | swap on SD works fine, and wont kill the card normally before the Card is worth like 10 euro cents |
| 08:33.49 | sandos | mjr: I think the N770/N800 people use swap all the time. But I could be wrong |
| 08:34.02 | rtp | XorA: ok. I'll send it this morning |
| 08:34.09 | mjr | XorA, hm |
| 08:34.35 | rtp | sandos: yeah, a lot of people are using a swapfile on their SD card on the n770/n800 |
| 08:34.37 | XorA | mjr: as a practical swap on SD user for two years, I have real experience of not killing cards |
| 08:34.39 | moox | ewanm89_laptop: ok, so the best solution here is search the gem, find the dependencies, get all the required files and install them manually |
| 08:34.47 | mjr | ok |
| 08:35.08 | ewanm89_laptop | moox: atm yes, or get gem to behave. |
| 08:35.11 | mjr | I guess the key is to not swap too heavily, anyway :] |
| 08:35.35 | duffyd | I haven't been able to receive a confirmation email from the wiki - makes it impossible to edit any of the wiki pages :-( |
| 08:35.38 | moox | just a question about 770 / n800 : is there a lot of differences between this 2 devices ? |
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| 08:38.26 | Stephmw | mornin' |
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| 08:39.07 | ewanm89_laptop | Stephmw: Morning |
| 08:40.54 | moox | hi |
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| 08:41.54 | squalyl | OK guys. Serious talk. There will be a open source GSM/Wifi handover for openmoko. Thanks to my internship. |
| 08:42.07 | squalyl | 2 things to start |
| 08:42.26 | LarstiQ | a what? |
| 08:42.53 | squalyl | a UMA thing to route GSM communications through IPsec |
| 08:43.02 | squalyl | This is a research project |
| 08:43.45 | FuzzyCat | handover or forwaring? |
| 08:43.46 | squalyl | when you have wifi available, GSM streams will be routed by wifi instead of radio. |
| 08:43.49 | FuzzyCat | forwarding |
| 08:43.50 | squalyl | handover |
| 08:43.56 | squalyl | it's a test |
| 08:44.02 | squalyl | to see if it's possible |
| 08:44.15 | FuzzyCat | well, it is possible |
| 08:44.16 | mjr | handover requires carrier support though |
| 08:44.17 | squalyl | it may if we can get the IMSI code from the modem |
| 08:44.25 | squalyl | I will have. |
| 08:44.39 | squalyl | Nokia Ericsson seem to have an open platform |
| 08:44.42 | sandos | when will the project start? |
| 08:44.44 | XorA | squalyl: modem doesnt havbe an IMSI, you mean IMEI |
| 08:45.20 | squalyl | I think we need IMSI also |
| 08:45.28 | XorA | IMSI is on SIM and easy to get |
| 08:45.29 | squalyl | I'm currently doing some research |
| 08:45.35 | squalyl | fine then |
| 08:45.44 | XorA | Ki secret key is not simple to get :-( |
| 08:46.04 | grobian | what ar you talking about |
| 08:46.06 | grobian | ? |
| 08:46.33 | squalyl | This is a feasability study for now |
| 08:46.36 | XorA | grobian: to identify you on GSM, Ki is used to generate a key combined with IMSI, its this that auths you on the network |
| 08:46.38 | squalyl | maybe it will be impossible |
| 08:46.54 | squalyl | it's a try |
| 08:47.20 | FuzzyCat | well, technically it is possible... |
| 08:47.21 | grobian | XorA: thx for the information! |
| 08:47.31 | FuzzyCat | orange do it... |
| 08:47.35 | mjr | anyway, nice to have people working on that, of course |
| 08:47.53 | squalyl | thanks |
| 08:48.08 | squalyl | It will be an opensource project, no need to specify this... |
| 08:48.10 | XorA | grobian: CCC have a full description and details of how to recover keys from old SIM :-) |
| 08:48.32 | squalyl | any link is welcome, if you have it. I'm new to all this stuff |
| 08:48.41 | grobian | okay |
| 08:48.58 | grobian | chaos computer Club? |
| 08:50.20 | XorA | grobian: yes |
| 08:53.04 | squalyl | I don't speak a single word of german ! |
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| 08:53.17 | grobian | when i look at some source code. i ask myself the question if some editors or ide`s dont have a real tab function. When i open it with vim |
| 08:53.20 | duffyd | squalyl: translate.google.com ? |
| 08:53.32 | squalyl | good idea :D |
| 08:54.12 | bug_ | think ist this :http://www.ccc.de/gsm/ |
| 08:54.16 | LarstiQ | squalyl: neither do I, but I still visit the CCC congress et al |
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| 08:55.55 | bug_ | something about ki (english) http://www.isaac.cs.berkeley.edu/isaac/gsm-faq.html |
| 08:57.19 | squalyl | thanks |
| 08:59.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 650 has been created by nick(AT)anywi.com |
| 08:59.02 | cdbot2 | * * No dfu-util component in bugzilla |
| 08:59.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=650 |
| 08:59.10 | squalyl | The important thing for now (I have to write a report) is the quality of voice at the output of the modem |
| 09:00.53 | squalyl | How can I get some WAV samples recorded from modem's audio output? I don't have a phone for now |
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| 09:03.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 651 has been created by nick(AT)anywi.com |
| 09:03.01 | cdbot2 | * * til - configure.ac uses PKG_CHECK_MODULES which is not available here |
| 09:03.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=651 |
| 09:04.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 652 has been created by nick(AT)anywi.com |
| 09:04.01 | cdbot2 | * * til - reset command doesn't take argument |
| 09:04.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=652 |
| 09:04.12 | squalyl | LarstiQ: I found this page. translated it, it's interesting |
| 09:05.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 653 has been created by nick(AT)anywi.com |
| 09:05.01 | cdbot2 | * * til - Some devices boot up in a DFU state instead of app state |
| 09:05.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=653 |
| 09:07.12 | squalyl | Still fighting with bitbake config: WHERE is the list of packages that get included in the root image X_X ? |
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| 09:09.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 654 has been created by nick(AT)anywi.com |
| 09:09.02 | cdbot2 | * * til - transfer-size setting code rearranged |
| 09:09.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=654 |
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| 09:10.34 | woglinde | hm forget to attach the patch? |
| 09:10.53 | woglinde | forgot even |
| 09:11.26 | woglinde | ah no |
| 09:11.33 | woglinde | ~lart bugzilla |
| 09:11.33 | apt | shoots bugzilla in his sleep |
| 09:13.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 655 has been created by nick(AT)anywi.com |
| 09:13.02 | cdbot2 | * * til - to quick, add sleep |
| 09:13.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=655 |
| 09:13.10 | lenix | ~lart himself |
| 09:13.10 | apt | drops a humongous exploding nuke on himself |
| 09:14.36 | sannes | ohhh... what is this in my inbox, .. yip, spam :P |
| 09:15.00 | woglinde | ups tracking number? |
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| 09:17.11 | sannes | woglinde: I wouldn't consider that spam, but I have been checking out my mail a lot more lately |
| 09:17.21 | woglinde | *g* |
| 09:17.39 | woglinde | its like christmas *g* |
| 09:19.44 | sannes | yes, except you don't know when you are getting your presents ... hehe |
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| 09:32.01 | Kensan | sannes: http://xkcd.com/281/ |
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| 09:37.45 | hhf423 | hmmm, looks like the guys shipping are not near #2800 yet |
| 09:38.18 | Sublime | so for the past couple days ive sort of been getting pissed that my order hasnt been processed |
| 09:38.32 | Sublime | im 1843 |
| 09:38.56 | Sublime | i replied to williams email asking why i havent been charged |
| 09:39.02 | Sublime | apparently my card was denied |
| 09:39.13 | Sublime | spelled the street address wrong on the order |
| 09:39.15 | hhf423 | autch |
| 09:39.18 | Sublime | for billing info |
| 09:39.38 | FuzzyCat | but they didn't tell you ? |
| 09:39.51 | Sublime | no, i had to ask what happened |
| 09:44.40 | Sublime | he cancelled my old order, had me resubmit a new order and hes having the new merged wtih the old so hopefully i should still get in on the first batch |
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| 09:45.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hear_Me_FIC]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Wish_List]] [[Main_Page]] |
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| 09:46.08 | ewon | Sublime: could be worse, the system merely swallowed my order whole |
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| 09:52.27 | dando | hi |
| 09:55.06 | Placid | hi |
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| 09:56.32 | [psy] | w00t |
| 09:56.33 | [psy] | :) |
| 09:56.44 | dando | =) |
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| 09:57.42 | [psy] | lol i just saw the move where they showed that mplayer wasnt working just yet :) |
| 09:57.51 | [psy] | but it will be fixed |
| 09:58.01 | [psy] | a normal company would never show that :P |
| 09:58.14 | sandos | what movie? |
| 09:58.18 | sandos | havent seen that one |
| 09:58.32 | [psy] | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjhzm_hpEbo&mode=related&search= |
| 09:58.34 | FuzzyCat | the one with 1 frame a week ? |
| 09:58.42 | [psy] | yep |
| 09:58.42 | [psy] | :) |
| 09:58.50 | [psy] | one frame a second |
| 09:58.59 | [psy] | but its cool that they show it anyway |
| 09:59.08 | [psy] | and dont use the usualy marketing tricks |
| 09:59.11 | FuzzyCat | week/second it's just about the same when you're watching a movie |
| 09:59.21 | [psy] | :) |
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| 09:59.36 | [psy] | this is just the beginning :) |
| 09:59.36 | jeddy3 | but that movie _seems_ to have resolution higher than qvga...so hopefully qvga will be a little better |
| 09:59.37 | FuzzyCat | there's some funny ones too |
| 09:59.44 | [psy] | wait for version 2 , 3 etc :) |
| 10:00.09 | jeddy3 | and imho qvga is quite enough for a movie |
| 10:00.09 | FuzzyCat | if we could wait we wouldn't be developers ;) |
| 10:00.18 | cesarb | counter |
| 10:00.18 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-21 06:20) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 75% in 2 days 00:59:51 (2.042±2.0 days) (1773;251) |
| 10:00.34 | sandos | FuzzyCat: haha |
| 10:00.36 | sandos | good point |
| 10:00.55 | dando | i could tell you that bevore i saw this film on youtube |
| 10:01.35 | FuzzyCat | mokobot, can i has a tracking number? |
| 10:01.36 | mokobot | No. |
| 10:01.40 | FuzzyCat | :( |
| 10:01.42 | sandos | ;) |
| 10:01.48 | dando | :) |
| 10:02.30 | squalyl | mokobot, can you make coffee? |
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| 10:04.19 | [psy] | openmoko - marketed by engineers :) |
| 10:06.07 | sandos | Neo - "its almost fast" |
| 10:06.14 | sandos | from the part 1 of ninjutsu |
| 10:06.24 | sandos | I'm not sure that will fly marketing-wise |
| 10:06.25 | [psy] | yes :D |
| 10:06.27 | sandos | ;) |
| 10:06.34 | [psy] | thats pretty cool |
| 10:06.51 | [psy] | marketing would translate that in: its the fastest phone in the world! |
| 10:06.56 | sandos | of course ;) |
| 10:07.00 | [psy] | heheh |
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| 10:08.15 | sannes | :) |
| 10:08.22 | [psy] | What you CAN NOT expect yet: reliable means of making phone calls, esp. not from the UI |
| 10:08.22 | [psy] | :D |
| 10:08.37 | [psy] | root@openmoke # dail 911 |
| 10:08.53 | sandos | hehe |
| 10:08.55 | sandos | lol |
| 10:09.03 | [psy] | root@openmoke # dail 911 --aout /dev/dsp0 --ain /dev/dsp0 --bla |
| 10:09.07 | [psy] | ;) |
| 10:09.09 | cesarb | I hope it's not too easy to dial 911, because that phone number means nothing at all around here ;-) |
| 10:09.15 | [psy] | i want one tough |
| 10:09.28 | cesarb | (OTOH, the GSM international equivalent would make a lot more sense) |
| 10:09.53 | sandos | 112 in Sweden. What is the international thing then? |
| 10:10.00 | woglinde | 112 is europe |
| 10:10.04 | sandos | yeah |
| 10:10.21 | cesarb | For local use, an "emergency menu" with the several emergency numbers (190 = police, 192 = ambulance, 193 = firefighters, etc) would be great |
| 10:10.44 | cesarb | woglinde: IIRC, 112 is not only europe, but should work for any GSM phone anywhere |
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| 10:10.54 | cesarb | woglinde: (but only GSM) |
| 10:10.58 | woglinde | yeah right |
| 10:10.59 | woglinde | sorry |
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| 10:12.35 | FuzzyCat | it also works in the uk |
| 10:12.46 | FuzzyCat | where 999 is the normal number |
| 10:12.55 | FuzzyCat | but you can use 112 too |
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| 10:14.02 | FuzzyCat | but apparently there are only about 180 genuine 112 calls, the rest are people seing if it's true |
| 10:14.33 | FuzzyCat | (per week that is) |
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| 10:16.08 | FuzzyCat | "The introduction of 112 to the UK telephone network did cause some problems that resulted from fault conditions and misuse of customer premises equipment. In particular, spurious ‘1s’ and ‘2s’ could be caused by line or equipment faults, or by repeated tapping of handset switches on lines with loop-disconnect signalling, causing false calls to the emergency operator" |
| 10:16.24 | woglinde | lol |
| 10:16.37 | FuzzyCat | whcih is why 999 was chosen in the first place |
| 10:16.42 | FuzzyCat | to avoid that |
| 10:18.13 | ewon | I bet 999 was a major pain in the ass to ring on a rotary phone |
| 10:18.21 | FuzzyCat | is was slow |
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| 10:19.21 | woglinde | hi ph5 |
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| 10:19.40 | pH5 | morning woglinde |
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| 10:24.10 | kiney | counter |
| 10:24.11 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-21 06:20) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 75% in 2 days 00:47:54 (2.033±2.0 days) (1774;251) |
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| 10:28.56 | Elrond | Dmitry_Platonov - Unless you didn't notice: I added the CMD05/FL=4 parsing for you. |
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| 10:32.17 | SpeedEvil | squalyl`afk`eat: Are you doing the handover based on any standard? The voice quality is dictated by the GSM codec. It'll be practically identical with any GSM phone. You can connect in/out voice from the modem to ADCs of quite high enough quality to capture all of the data. |
| 10:35.29 | Dmitry_Platonov | Elrond, thanks. |
| 10:37.13 | Elrond | Dmitry_Platonov - And I'm planning for some coldstart.py thingy basicly. Well, my current planing is for librarising my own "testlab tools", but it will make writing coldstart.py hopefully very simple. |
| 10:37.37 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: If you want me to do the satellite range-rates for your position, then give me your position/date/time/timezone |
| 10:37.50 | SpeedEvil | or Dmitry_Platonov: of course |
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| 10:39.06 | squalyl | SpeedEvil: I'm investigating how it works now. It will be based on 3GPP 44.318 and 43.318 |
| 10:39.47 | SpeedEvil | squalyl: are these actually deployed by any carrier? |
| 10:40.18 | squalyl | hehe if I have them, it's not by chance! |
| 10:40.20 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Ahh, great. :-) I'm planning to do a full "deoppler-scan" (well, at least for the param, that we all think, is the doppler) for one sat sometime soon. I'll contact you, if I'm ready to do them / have done them. |
| 10:40.33 | Dmitry_Platonov | SpeedEvil, thanks. I can get readings from my position directly from receiver. |
| 10:40.43 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - How far in the past can you get the data? |
| 10:40.55 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: It seems to be quite accurate back to march. |
| 10:41.07 | Elrond | Weee. |
| 10:41.29 | Elrond | Where did you get the orbits? |
| 10:41.36 | SpeedEvil | I intend to check, when I get up off the sofa and wander back over to the desktop to compare with data that I took last year. |
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| 10:42.14 | SpeedEvil | Basically comparing satellite alt/az with the stuff in the data, it matches within a degree back in march |
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| 10:42.50 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: I forget - I googled gps "two line elements" |
| 10:43.33 | squalyl | SpeedEvil: These specs seems to be deployed by this "open nokia/ericsson platform" I have to ask more information to my internship manager, but for now my work is to write a document describing how I plan to design the whole thing. |
| 10:44.24 | Elrond | Okay, anyway, I need to get some food now. |
| 10:45.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 656 has been created by dando(AT)gmx.de |
| 10:45.02 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-calculator: division by zero not caught. |
| 10:45.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=656 |
| 10:45.10 | xkr47 | lol |
| 10:45.13 | SpeedEvil | squalyl: I was more meaning any carriers - is this the protocol that t-mobile is using for example. |
| 10:45.53 | squalyl | I only know that the protocol is ipsec based, so it may not depend on any carrier... I'm a gsm-noob |
| 10:46.27 | squalyl | ah OK i understood |
| 10:46.28 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right. |
| 10:46.39 | squalyl | I dont know what carriers are using |
| 10:46.46 | SpeedEvil | I see. GPRS latency _sucks_. |
| 10:46.57 | dando | :-| |
| 10:47.00 | SpeedEvil | If you are trying to do VOIP over GPRS |
| 10:47.22 | squalyl | It's more a GSM over WIFI thing |
| 10:47.24 | squalyl | :) |
| 10:47.29 | SpeedEvil | As in it can be a couple of seconds. |
| 10:47.43 | squalyl | seconds of latency ! |
| 10:47.48 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 10:49.09 | sandos | yes |
| 10:49.24 | sandos | I have a logfile from ping -t output on my laptop if you want ;) |
| 10:49.30 | sandos | both GPRS and 3G figures in there |
| 10:51.57 | SpeedEvil | I was just meaning that if the carrier does not support the GSM 'hand over this call now' option, then there isn't much point. Which is a pity. |
| 10:52.08 | SpeedEvil | sandos: what's the 3G numbers like? |
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| 10:53.19 | Dmitry_Platonov | I think GPRS latency sucks because operators do not want VoIP application run atop GPRS |
| 10:53.43 | SpeedEvil | No! That can't be true! They can't simply be money-grabbing-bastards! :) |
| 10:54.01 | Kero | :) |
| 10:56.28 | SpeedEvil | In the UK - the market is skewed by the stupid, stupid, stupid sums of money paid for spectrum. |
| 10:56.53 | sandos | SpeedEvil: let me check |
| 10:57.10 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: I though they'd already covered those? |
| 10:57.12 | SpeedEvil | sandos: just ballpark - 10, 100, 1000ms? |
| 10:57.25 | sandos | ~300 maybe |
| 10:57.30 | sandos | or possibly 100 |
| 10:57.34 | SpeedEvil | Stephmw: Hmm. dunno |
| 10:57.54 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: then again, that wouldn't make a difference. They'd keep squeezing. |
| 10:57.54 | SpeedEvil | Hmm - so VOIP, just about, though maybe with a noticable delay |
| 10:58.19 | SpeedEvil | If they had less debt, they could roll out more services quicker. |
| 10:58.21 | Stephmw | 300ms is the max people will bear, consistency is key... if it jumps around, it'll drive people nuts. |
| 10:58.35 | SpeedEvil | You can of course cap it. |
| 10:58.47 | sandos | about 300-350 ms avg om 3G |
| 10:58.57 | sandos | but then I'm also on a 200km/h train when doing these... |
| 10:59.30 | sandos | GPRS is more like 900 avg, but spikes upto above 2000 |
| 10:59.39 | sandos | and lots of losses |
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| 11:03.29 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if delaying the other caller makes short - 0-1s delays seem better |
| 11:03.35 | SpeedEvil | if consistent |
| 11:03.49 | SpeedEvil | I suspect it'll make them seem inattentive. |
| 11:04.13 | SpeedEvil | err - no. |
| 11:04.17 | SpeedEvil | ignore that. |
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| 11:06.00 | guillaum1 | Dmitry_Platonov, by design GPRS can't provide low latencies |
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| 11:10.15 | guillaum1 | HSDPA have latencies < 150 ms. For small packets (voip typically), latency can be significantly lower |
| 11:10.33 | sandos | anyone know how some do voip over data then? like fring |
| 11:10.36 | mmazur | Yup. Can't wait for umts and hdspa. I want my ssh to work. |
| 11:10.47 | sandos | been discussing that in a forum and I dont understand how it can ever work |
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| 11:11.22 | Dmitry_Platonov | guillaum1, I think it depend on how prioritisation on base station is set up. |
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| 11:26.30 | DrStrangelove | hello |
| 11:27.02 | DrStrangelove | I read that tor will use a new protocoll for the dir service, right? |
| 11:30.04 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 11:30.18 | ScaredyCat | I suspect it'd be something like syncML |
| 11:30.32 | ScaredyCat | whcih iirc is fairly common |
| 11:30.51 | ScaredyCat | oh.. hang on... |
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| 11:35.07 | guillaum1 | Dmitry_Platonov, gprs delay class 1 requires only latency < 2s for SDUs of 1024 bytes. Moreover gprs/edge networks don't have realtime QoS capabilities. So the jitter can't be controlled |
| 11:35.59 | guillaum1 | realtime = real time services |
| 11:39.35 | guillaum1 | classes of service for real time apps will be introduced in late 2008 for UMTS/HSDPA |
| 11:40.01 | xkr47 | by phones or by the standards ? |
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| 11:41.09 | guillaum1 | xkr47, networks and next phones |
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| 11:44.48 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[P1_Owners]] [[User:Denniz]] [[Hear_Me_FIC]] [[Shipping_Notes]] [[Mokopedia]] [[User_talk:Phlash]] [[User:Tyrael]] [[Solar_power]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Milan]] [[Square_case]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] and other changes |
| 11:44.58 | XorA | reboot seems to crash Neo |
| 11:47.31 | *** part/#openmoko Tyrael (n=tyrael@213-140-6-114.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 11:47.48 | Stephmw | raster: you'll go to hell for syning. |
| 11:48.18 | raster | Stephmw: i've already packed the 30+ sunscreen :) |
| 11:52.52 | XorA | rtp: seeing as you doing kernel stuff, you tried to suspend while ssh into device via usb? |
| 11:53.04 | hhf423 | say, does anyone know if a linux box is required for bringing the phone up to the last level after one receives the shipment? or is a windows box enough? |
| 11:55.43 | rtp | XorA: yeah. As long as you reconfigure the usb0 on the host after resuming, the session should come back |
| 11:56.08 | XorA | rtp: I get hardlockup of Neo :-(, on bv2/3/4 |
| 11:56.10 | darmou | anyone bought the new device? |
| 11:56.16 | darmou | the Neo? |
| 11:56.34 | darmou | I was curious about what the dev hardware is like |
| 11:56.34 | hhf423 | darmou: I think we all did, its just not shipped yet |
| 11:56.43 | darmou | ahh ok interesting |
| 11:56.48 | rtp | XorA: I didn't try on my Bv4 but it's fine on my Bv3 and I don't have a Bv2 :/ |
| 11:57.17 | hhf423 | darmou: you can find a lot of rumors here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter |
| 11:57.18 | XorA | rtp: hmm, I shall have to recheck my bv3 then |
| 11:58.59 | DrStrangelove | the Neo 1973 will be avalible for mainstream in Oktober, right? |
| 11:59.16 | oelewapperke | and it will be the version 2 model |
| 11:59.20 | writchie | only question is which october |
| 11:59.25 | XorA | give or take a plutonian day |
| 11:59.26 | DrStrangelove | arg |
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| 12:00.16 | Kensan | DrStrangelove: my guess: at least six months from now. |
| 12:00.28 | DrStrangelove | *sign* |
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| 12:00.38 | writchie | it would be nice to have development P2's before year end. |
| 12:00.52 | writchie | usable software to make this a phone >= 6 months |
| 12:01.03 | DrStrangelove | what does P2 mean? |
| 12:01.07 | rtp | XorA: btw, if you can, try also with the patchset I sent you. Even if the sound will not work, it should be fine for suspend testing :) |
| 12:01.28 | writchie | P2 = second version with WiFi |
| 12:01.31 | Kensan | DrStrangelove: but it might be earlier if everybody starts writing code, testing, debuging and submitting patches ;) |
| 12:01.34 | writchie | and more memory |
| 12:01.41 | XorA | rtp: its the suspend during sound playback I wish to test, bit I can add the missing patch and get sound working :-) |
| 12:02.10 | rtp | XorA: yeah, or use aplay :) |
| 12:02.35 | DrStrangelove | my programming skills arent that good :( |
| 12:03.24 | raynet | w00t, my moko has been shipped |
| 12:03.29 | woglinde | hehe |
| 12:03.30 | woglinde | grazt |
| 12:03.41 | ScaredyCat | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 12:03.46 | woglinde | trackingnumber? |
| 12:03.49 | woglinde | where is it? |
| 12:03.55 | ScaredyCat | shipped or paid for? |
| 12:04.14 | *** join/#openmoko dcorking (n=dcorking@82.152.97.177) |
| 12:04.17 | ynezz | hoax |
| 12:04.18 | ynezz | :p |
| 12:04.19 | raynet | ScaredyCat: well, charged and shippin asap |
| 12:04.33 | ynezz | so charged :) |
| 12:04.41 | ynezz | in our terminology |
| 12:04.44 | ynezz | :) |
| 12:04.45 | raynet | no no |
| 12:04.46 | raynet | it is on the way |
| 12:04.55 | raynet | or that is what i like to believe |
| 12:04.58 | woglinde | trackingnumber |
| 12:04.59 | ScaredyCat | no, no it;s not.. |
| 12:05.06 | ScaredyCat | whyshould you be happy |
| 12:05.08 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 12:05.34 | ScaredyCat | without a tracking number, they just took your money and went on holiday ;) |
| 12:05.41 | ynezz | yep :) |
| 12:05.46 | rtp | XorA: fwiw, I've tried suspending while playing a mp3 and the sound playback didn't resume :( |
| 12:05.52 | raynet | they could send it without a tracking number |
| 12:06.01 | ScaredyCat | they could.. |
| 12:06.01 | woglinde | no |
| 12:06.03 | raynet | so FBI cannot track it |
| 12:06.09 | ScaredyCat | and grass could be grown on the moon |
| 12:06.16 | ScaredyCat | neither is likely |
| 12:06.17 | raynet | scbut it does |
| 12:06.27 | raynet | wow, how did i do that? |
| 12:06.40 | ScaredyCat | magic/ |
| 12:07.15 | raynet | anyways, if you write ASAP in the email, it means they were running with the package to the post while writing the mail to me |
| 12:07.31 | woglinde | as soon as possible |
| 12:07.36 | ScaredyCat | well, that's why I asked for clarification.. |
| 12:07.41 | woglinde | that means after monsun |
| 12:07.47 | ScaredyCat | but they appear to have ignored that question |
| 12:08.03 | ynezz | for some reason... |
| 12:08.13 | *** join/#openmoko ben_goodger (n=ben@host81-153-24-176.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) |
| 12:08.20 | ynezz | neos are not in states yet? :p |
| 12:08.26 | ScaredyCat | not made yet |
| 12:08.33 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 12:08.37 | ynezz | even better :) |
| 12:09.13 | ScaredyCat | they're just working on the final bits... |
| 12:09.18 | Kensan | DrStrangelove: testing and reporting problems, filing bugs does not need programming skills ;) |
| 12:09.21 | ScaredyCat | to allow them to lock the devices |
| 12:09.27 | raynet | or the whole thing is just evil microsoft hoax to demoralize FOSS people |
| 12:09.39 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 12:09.52 | *** join/#openmoko Sup3rkiddo (n=sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh) |
| 12:09.56 | empty_mind | Sufflope, |
| 12:10.00 | empty_mind | Sup3rkiddo, |
| 12:10.13 | Sup3rkiddo | empty_mind, |
| 12:10.59 | ynezz | please no sex in public |
| 12:11.04 | raynet | humm, i should have asked them to deliver it to my US friend who could have mailed it to me as non-working phone and i could have saved the customs/toll |
| 12:11.07 | raynet | and VAT |
| 12:11.21 | hhf423 | say, about the video here |
| 12:11.22 | hhf423 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjhzm_hpEbo&mode=related&search= |
| 12:11.39 | empty_mind | w00t they are sending devices as working phones ? |
| 12:11.39 | hhf423 | they say this will be fixed in the netx hardware?!? |
| 12:11.48 | empty_mind | and not as engineering prototypes ? |
| 12:12.21 | ScaredyCat | only the ones that work |
| 12:12.23 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 12:12.30 | *** join/#openmoko olv (n=olvaffe@123-193-215-175.ethome-ip.ethome.com.tw) |
| 12:12.46 | raynet | if they were labeled as bread instead of phones i would only need to pay 7% of VAT instead of 22% |
| 12:13.24 | ScaredyCat | well, books would be better then raynet |
| 12:13.30 | ScaredyCat | or children's clothes |
| 12:14.02 | ScaredyCat | hhf423: how could you enjoy that.. |
| 12:14.09 | ScaredyCat | bsg is donkey poo |
| 12:14.27 | raynet | ScaredyCat: i think those have higher VAT than food products |
| 12:14.39 | darmou | Is there a posibilty of building something similar to the Safari browser on the iphone with the zoom in functionality? |
| 12:14.41 | ScaredyCat | nope |
| 12:14.45 | raynet | though importing food can have other problems |
| 12:14.50 | ScaredyCat | both are zero rated raynet |
| 12:14.55 | SpeedEvil | darmou: in principle - sure. |
| 12:15.00 | raynet | ScaredyCat: really? |
| 12:15.04 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 12:15.09 | SpeedEvil | darmou: the browser has yet to be implemented |
| 12:15.19 | hhf423 | ScaredyCat: well, see, you're entitled to an opinion, too and I can not even shoot you for it |
| 12:15.49 | ScaredyCat | hhf423: yes... and you are entitled to yours... |
| 12:15.54 | ScaredyCat | ...even if it's wrong |
| 12:15.57 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 12:15.59 | raynet | ScaredyCat: checked, not true |
| 12:16.09 | ScaredyCat | tis so |
| 12:16.13 | ben_goodger | doesn't "you're entitled to your opinion" constitute "sod off" nowadays? |
| 12:16.18 | raynet | ScaredyCat: children clothees are 22% |
| 12:16.25 | raynet | as are books |
| 12:16.32 | hhf423 | ben_goodger: exactly |
| 12:16.39 | ScaredyCat | no way! |
| 12:16.47 | darmou | no dillo or flower or minimo? |
| 12:16.59 | SpeedEvil | darmou: it's not been implemented |
| 12:17.08 | hhf423 | ben_goodger: its, like, "I don't even hear what you are saying" |
| 12:17.27 | FuzzyCat | raynet, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/07/nvat107.xml# |
| 12:17.30 | FuzzyCat | raynet, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/07/nvat107.xml |
| 12:17.33 | raynet | darmou: i think the zoom could work by douple tapping |
| 12:17.48 | darmou | dillo rocks on my Zaurus, but all the others are too slow, don't know if neo will be faster device |
| 12:17.48 | ben_goodger | FuzzyCat: you don't need to remove the # |
| 12:18.01 | SpeedEvil | darmou: what's the CPU and RAM? |
| 12:18.03 | FuzzyCat | true - habbit |
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| 12:18.49 | raynet | FuzzyCat: well, i checked finnish VAT rules and no such thing there |
| 12:19.07 | darmou | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:19.43 | hrw | darmou: dillo suxx |
| 12:19.44 | darmou | I have 3200 http://www.mobiletechreview.com/Sharp-Zaurus-C3200.htm |
| 12:19.51 | SpeedEvil | From _very_ fuzzy memory - I _think_ the PXA270s are slowe clock for clock than the ARM in the neo |
| 12:20.08 | darmou | hrw: what do you use? |
| 12:20.11 | ScaredyCat | raynet: so but them in the uk :) |
| 12:20.13 | *** join/#openmoko mitsuhiko (n=nblackbi@hammett.srv.pocoo.org) |
| 12:20.16 | hrw | darmou: on Z? nothing |
| 12:20.17 | ScaredyCat | buy |
| 12:20.18 | SpeedEvil | So the CPUs are probably similar in the existing phones. In |
| 12:20.37 | raynet | ScaredyCat: and wait for longer, no thanks |
| 12:20.48 | hrw | darmou: my Z is arm testing device not webbrowse tool |
| 12:20.51 | SpeedEvil | the coming phones - Oct - it is faster |
| 12:20.57 | ScaredyCat | wiat longer than what... ? an eternity? |
| 12:21.06 | raynet | ScaredyCat: and in any case, as a company i dont have to pay the VAT |
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| 12:21.25 | darmou | ahh ok, I use it to browse web in bed and listen to mp3 steaminng radio. |
| 12:21.36 | *** join/#openmoko ecraven (i=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) |
| 12:22.33 | darmou | Have not had time latley to do any tinkering, would like to get angstom on it. I'm glad openmoko uses openembedded as base. Going to make it easier to transition from Z to phone. |
| 12:24.40 | XorA | rtp: ahah, it will suspend while playuing sound, but sound does not restart :-( |
| 12:25.19 | SpeedEvil | Quick straw poll. How many would pay $50 - if it was an option at purchase-time of the phone - for a bundled copy of TomTom (the GPS navigation system) |
| 12:25.30 | darmou | has anyone seen, played with the iphone could be the source of some good ideas? |
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| 12:25.44 | cjb_ie | ....i thought tomtom was hardware |
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| 12:25.49 | SpeedEvil | darmou: I don't know if I want to blend my Neo though. |
| 12:25.56 | SpeedEvil | cjb_ie: it's both |
| 12:26.06 | SpeedEvil | http://www.tomtom.com/products/section.php?ID=145&Section=214&Category=2&Lid=4 |
| 12:26.21 | SpeedEvil | $99 for complete US maps and systems |
| 12:26.22 | darmou | I know there is windows mobile tom tom |
| 12:26.34 | jeddy3 | SpeedEvil, I would. |
| 12:26.50 | SpeedEvil | Me too. |
| 12:27.04 | SpeedEvil | I assume that FIC could get some price reductions if they bought 1000. |
| 12:27.19 | SpeedEvil | (neglecting the fact that there is not a Neo version) |
| 12:28.34 | SpeedEvil | Is there a WineCE? |
| 12:30.00 | ScaredyCat | tomtom Go runs linux... on arm |
| 12:30.51 | SpeedEvil | I know. I was just wondering if the mobile phone version might not be a better solution. |
| 12:31.38 | raynet | isnt there also a symbian tomtom |
| 12:31.48 | ynezz | there is |
| 12:31.48 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 12:32.04 | raynet | symbian emulation layer on openmoko would be handy |
| 12:32.17 | SpeedEvil | WineCE would be nice too. |
| 12:32.17 | ynezz | you must be kindding |
| 12:32.34 | SpeedEvil | And Palm emulator. |
| 12:32.44 | ynezz | wince emulator would be easy |
| 12:32.50 | raynet | and c64 emu is a must |
| 12:33.37 | ynezz | they've released sources for wince emu |
| 12:33.43 | SpeedEvil | Just remember to upgrade the emulator to the latest C64 BIOS that supports touchscreen. |
| 12:33.50 | ynezz | but i think, that for symbian it's impossible |
| 12:34.04 | SpeedEvil | Why? |
| 12:34.09 | ynezz | it's a worst system/bussiness I've ever met |
| 12:34.21 | SpeedEvil | Just inavalabilty of docs? |
| 12:34.43 | ynezz | well you can reverse their emu |
| 12:35.17 | cjb_ie | i was very confused for a moment, read C64 as commodore 64 :-) |
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| 12:35.41 | ynezz | man you've to sign your app to just read a BTS number from phone |
| 12:35.57 | woglinde | yes |
| 12:36.03 | ynezz | or similar stuff |
| 12:36.13 | rtp | XorA: is it supposed to be working or suspend support is missing in ASoC ? :) |
| 12:36.25 | XorA | rtp: Ive never been able to test it before |
| 12:36.40 | XorA | rtp: I assume I need to add stuff to store and recall IIS state |
| 12:36.43 | woglinde | skype was suded by harald in germany |
| 12:36.54 | SpeedEvil | Mmmm. Soapy! |
| 12:36.57 | woglinde | german only -> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/93189 |
| 12:37.08 | ynezz | for what? |
| 12:37.15 | SpeedEvil | Being evil! |
| 12:37.16 | raynet | cjb_ie: you read it right, i meant commodore 64 |
| 12:37.35 | woglinde | phone running skype without source gpl disclaimer |
| 12:37.40 | SpeedEvil | OMAP is ARM isn't it? |
| 12:37.53 | rtp | XorA: ok. At least it's not really a bug :) |
| 12:37.58 | juco | skype is gpl? |
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| 12:38.22 | raynet | humm, skype works on Nokia 800 so it might be possible to hack it to run on neo |
| 12:38.22 | ScaredyCat | skype !gpl |
| 12:38.34 | woglinde | ah |
| 12:38.41 | raynet | but they probably use some libs etc that are LGPL |
| 12:38.42 | woglinde | phone runs linux and skype |
| 12:38.47 | woglinde | sorry |
| 12:38.56 | juco | oh, ok |
| 12:39.05 | juco | skype is sort of scary |
| 12:39.26 | juco | if there was some gpl to it, I would be interested in looking at the code |
| 12:39.29 | ScaredyCat | skype is only scary because it should have failed |
| 12:39.33 | empty_mind_ | why juco ? why skype is scary ? |
| 12:39.44 | juco | it behaves like a botnet |
| 12:39.44 | ScaredyCat | it's nasty and should die |
| 12:39.49 | woglinde | phone comes from http://www.smc.com/ |
| 12:39.53 | SpeedEvil | empty_m: because it's an encrypted app designed to tunnel through firewalls. |
| 12:40.06 | juco | any network admins here? |
| 12:40.06 | raynet | juco: like botnet? how? |
| 12:40.13 | empty_mind_ | ScaredyCat, winblows should have failed long ago ! :-p |
| 12:40.14 | SpeedEvil | emp: Without source - so you have no idea of what data it's sending over the wire. |
| 12:40.18 | woglinde | and skype resells it |
| 12:40.32 | ScaredyCat | empty_mind_: I thought it had :) |
| 12:40.36 | juco | well, I'm not much of a network admin |
| 12:41.03 | raynet | SpeedEvil: which is why it just works, though corporate firewall admins dont like that |
| 12:41.14 | empty_mind_ | ScaredyCat, well if had, why would linux guys have to advocate linux ? |
| 12:41.40 | ScaredyCat | well, it's failed for me... I don;t use it, at all |
| 12:41.42 | woglinde | juco whats the problem? |
| 12:41.54 | loufoque | skype is evil, it's proprietary software |
| 12:42.05 | loufoque | use regular open-source SIP instead |
| 12:42.13 | empty_mind_ | hmm ScaredyCat that means you use skype |
| 12:42.17 | juco | nothing is exactly wrong with skype |
| 12:42.23 | ScaredyCat | empty_mind_: huh? |
| 12:42.32 | SpeedEvil | http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.secdev.org%2Fconf%2Fskype_BHEU06.handout.pdf&ei=h_OlRu2HMJakxAHLxIzdDQ&usg=AFQjCNFmpVp7BgrwjgH5TDq7rZwp5S78Cw&sig2=0VtYoJO__kzt8ko7W-DNow rayne: |
| 12:42.32 | juco | but if you are a network admin, it looks like a botnet infestation |
| 12:42.35 | *** join/#openmoko switch3r (n=switch3r@dsktop.student.umd.edu) |
| 12:42.37 | raynet | loufoque: if someone made it as easy to work as with skype, then perhaps |
| 12:42.53 | juco | it uses NAT tunneling, and every skype install makes multiple network connections over random high ports |
| 12:43.03 | SpeedEvil | www.secdev.org/conf/skype_BHEU06.handout.pdf rather |
| 12:43.18 | SpeedEvil | interesting bit on the architecture of skype with reverse engineering |
| 12:43.19 | juco | and creates a not insignificant amount of encrypted traffic |
| 12:43.27 | guaqua | skype goes through firewalls and can't be easily prevented |
| 12:43.30 | juco | even when its not making calls |
| 12:43.41 | loufoque | skype is crap. I would rather have a well configured server than use some freakish ways to go through the NAT |
| 12:43.45 | SpeedEvil | The above gives some ways to firewall it |
| 12:43.46 | guaqua | i.e. bandwidth controlling is an issue |
| 12:44.05 | guaqua | kazaa, skype, joost |
| 12:44.09 | raynet | guaqua: it is quite easy to detect and then you can just block any access from the IP that is using Skype |
| 12:44.11 | jeddy3 | irritating that he just skipped ScaredyCat's question about shipping on the ML...that was excactly what i was interested in als |
| 12:44.12 | guaqua | the guys know how to do p2p |
| 12:44.14 | jeddy3 | also* |
| 12:44.28 | SpeedEvil | raynet: there is a general way to firewall it. |
| 12:44.44 | raynet | SpeedEvil: block all traffic from skype infected machine works quite well |
| 12:45.30 | juco | well, the big advantage that skype has over plain old SIP is that it can offer higher quality |
| 12:45.38 | juco | especially for people with crappy connections |
| 12:45.45 | juco | like, say spotty EDGE service |
| 12:45.51 | guaqua | raynet: doesn't work in big corporate environments |
| 12:45.56 | guaqua | people have to get things done |
| 12:46.02 | juco | because it co-opts the other skype members to find the best possible route |
| 12:46.12 | juco | its actually quite nice |
| 12:46.21 | raynet | guaqua: well, in big corp environments i've been to, you cannot install skype to your machine, so that fixes that |
| 12:46.24 | juco | and works much the way the Internet was originally envisioned |
| 12:46.45 | juco | but because its encrypted, secret and closed source, it is a little scary |
| 12:46.46 | juco | at least to me |
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| 12:48.00 | raynet | juco: but if you run it as a non-privileged user that doesnt have access to any important resource on your machine, it is quite safe |
| 12:48.15 | raynet | or inside VMWare image :) |
| 12:48.22 | juco | yeah, its pretty safe |
| 12:48.29 | woglinde | xen? |
| 12:48.31 | juco | as safe as running any other binary only software |
| 12:48.43 | juco | but its the network activity that I find most scary |
| 12:48.56 | juco | have you ever been inside a network with a botnet infestation? |
| 12:49.00 | raynet | as safe as running any other software that you didnt read the source before running it |
| 12:49.08 | raynet | juco: yes |
| 12:49.11 | juco | having to sort out skype traffic from infected traffic would be really tough |
| 12:49.49 | *** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@CPE000fb55e466d-CM0012c9c84bc4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 12:50.12 | SpeedEvil | The above PDF gives a one-line firewall rule to kill skype |
| 12:50.21 | juco | raynet, you don't have to read the source yourself to have higher confidence in a piece of open source software than in binary only software |
| 12:50.50 | raynet | juco: but you should, i might have added backdoor to the copy you just installed |
| 12:50.51 | juco | but, as I said, if I ever saw network traffic like what skype produces you can be sure I would check out the source |
| 12:50.55 | SpeedEvil | And it's not only binary malice, it's binary producers incompetance. Hence why ActiveX was so evil. |
| 12:51.11 | juco | plus there is the source |
| 12:51.41 | sandos | juco: I love the fact that skype can open 1000s of connections for no apprent reason |
| 12:51.44 | xkr47 | heh half of wiki changes are p1 owners.. |
| 12:51.46 | juco | skype is brought to you by the same people who brought your the malware spreading kazaa |
| 12:51.53 | xkr47 | *to the p1 owners page* |
| 12:51.56 | raynet | SpeedEvil: that is true. the biggest problem with binary only is that you cannot fix it and have to rely on the vendor to provide a fix |
| 12:52.06 | SpeedEvil | That true. |
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| 12:53.58 | raynet | but can't wait to get my hands on my neo, will immediately port some bittorrent client for it so i can test how unlimited my unlimited data plan is |
| 12:54.28 | sandos | are you in the US? |
| 12:54.32 | raynet | nope |
| 12:55.04 | sandos | dont all plans (even fixed-line ones) include a contract saying somewhere thay they reserve the right to terminate any "excessive" usage or something like that? |
| 12:55.10 | raynet | not here |
| 12:55.11 | sandos | or anything disturbing traffic for others |
| 12:55.13 | sandos | hmm ok |
| 12:55.16 | ScaredyCat | fair use |
| 12:55.34 | raynet | actually, my data plan isn't unlimited, it is flat-fee |
| 12:55.39 | ScaredyCat | look at vodafon, t-mobile etc too .. |
| 12:55.54 | woglinde | raynet the k800i had/has integer overflow for counting bytes |
| 12:55.56 | ScaredyCat | vodafone's unlimited plan has 1 gb usage limit |
| 12:56.05 | ewon | nice |
| 12:56.07 | taneli | raynet: which operator? |
| 12:56.14 | raynet | taneli: saunalahti |
| 12:58.17 | raynet | too bad i can only get EDGE speeds where i live |
| 12:58.59 | writchie | ScaredyCat: 1 gb or 1 gB |
| 12:59.14 | raynet | humm, p2p use is forbidden |
| 12:59.21 | woglinde | hehe |
| 12:59.24 | woglinde | voip too |
| 12:59.27 | woglinde | I guess |
| 12:59.39 | raynet | not voip, just file swapping via p2p |
| 12:59.48 | *** join/#openmoko happycube (n=cpage@netblock-68-183-40-90.dslextreme.com) |
| 12:59.50 | woglinde | ???? |
| 12:59.53 | woglinde | lol |
| 13:00.03 | woglinde | in germany voip is forbidden |
| 13:00.22 | raynet | sad |
| 13:00.32 | florian | woglinde: uh? |
| 13:00.47 | woglinde | florian the most providers forbid it |
| 13:00.52 | xkr47 | is skype allowed ?-) |
| 13:01.04 | xkr47 | skypeout / skypein.. |
| 13:01.07 | florian | woglinde: they try ;) |
| 13:01.07 | woglinde | cell phone providers |
| 13:01.28 | woglinde | forbid controll doing nice chain |
| 13:01.29 | raynet | xkr47: i think it is a border case here, file transferring via p2p was forbidden by contract but perhaps not calls |
| 13:01.49 | raynet | though i'd like to see them try to enforce those rules |
| 13:02.06 | raynet | as they are not allowed to inspect my packets that easily |
| 13:05.33 | sandos | ;) |
| 13:07.57 | jeddy3 | there are people having their payment confirmed 6 days ago, and still no "ASAP" shipping :P |
| 13:08.48 | Fatal | I just wish my CC could get billed so I can start hanging out of the window waiting for dhl :) |
| 13:09.18 | jeddy3 | Fatal, you would wait a long time then...as it ships with UPS ;) |
| 13:09.24 | Fatal | :) |
| 13:10.21 | jeddy3 | eventhough CC billing apparently does have nothing to do with shipping soon :( |
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| 13:11.38 | sannes | hm, I wish we could get some info on the delay, I mean there is a delay right? hm... or did they plan all along that it would take this long .. |
| 13:13.04 | sannes | maybe they are to busy shipping things to ups that they prioritize that instead of filling in and submitting the trackingnumber .. |
| 13:14.02 | xkr47 | "knock knock" "what, I haven't even got a tracking number yet" "ok, sorry, I'll take this back then" |
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| 13:15.16 | jfreels | yo! |
| 13:15.41 | sannes | xkr47: *lol* |
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| 13:17.09 | aloril | blue edge seen somewhere? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo1973 |
| 13:17.18 | Kero | they might have to ship all units at once, to get those lower UPS prices. or something. |
| 13:17.20 | xkr47 | or maybe they are enjoying sending every neo out in the big world like parents sending their kids out :) |
| 13:17.31 | xkr47 | "take care little one" |
| 13:17.37 | jfreels | heh |
| 13:17.58 | xkr47 | surely is a big moment |
| 13:17.59 | Kero | but now that I've been charged, I'm confident all communication went well, and I'll actually receive the unit. |
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| 13:18.16 | Kero | having patience is easy. being uncertain is not good... |
| 13:18.16 | jfreels | it's hardly a baby....well, I will agree it could be a premie |
| 13:18.20 | daxxar | Hum, everything runs as root? :-) |
| 13:18.24 | xkr47 | Kero, agreed |
| 13:18.46 | squalyl | snif my gsm-wifi handover project is "dead in the egg" like we say in france :( |
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| 13:19.02 | squalyl | AT interface is not sufficient to implement mobility functions |
| 13:19.04 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone know if any rt 3xxx has been charged |
| 13:19.29 | guillaum1 | squalyl, UMA-like ? ;-) |
| 13:19.54 | raster | squalyl: i highly suspect you will need mreo than just that - you will need support from the telco/provider too |
| 13:20.29 | squalyl | guillaum1: totally UMA |
| 13:20.57 | squalyl | raster: the problem is not in the provider, but in a "Location update" message that can't be sent through AT the interface |
| 13:21.06 | squalyl | (and calculations of auth keys) |
| 13:21.15 | raster | hmm |
| 13:21.27 | raster | this is probably a good thing to put in as a request |
| 13:21.31 | squalyl | this concerns the Mobility Management core of the GSM stack |
| 13:21.38 | raster | maybe current gen moko phones can't do it |
| 13:21.39 | squalyl | we cant't access that |
| 13:21.42 | raster | but something to be added to future ones |
| 13:21.54 | raster | make sure the gsm chipset can export such things via at commands |
| 13:22.12 | squalyl | I think it depends entirely on Texas Instruments |
| 13:22.21 | raster | the gsm subsystem is basically like a separate OS and cpu all on its own |
| 13:22.28 | raster | that runs its own firmware |
| 13:22.28 | squalyl | yeah. |
| 13:22.30 | raster | built-in |
| 13:22.39 | squalyl | i know that. |
| 13:22.43 | raster | and you control it via at commands |
| 13:23.00 | raster | so what needs doing is gettign a new gsm chipset that can export such features |
| 13:23.05 | squalyl | and GSM specs do not give any command to run a "Location Update" |
| 13:23.06 | raster | or pressuing suppliers to open them |
| 13:23.21 | raster | so it'd need to be added on as an extension |
| 13:24.02 | squalyl | It may be implemented in undocumented proprietay commands but I dont know where to find some doc. Recent discussions on mailing list suggests it may not be available at all. |
| 13:24.37 | mjr | it could be feasible as a gsm chip firmware upgrade _if_ the chip provider is willing... oh yeah, and possible proprietary commands |
| 13:25.34 | raster | put it on the wiki in the wishlist |
| 13:25.39 | raster | so its documented |
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| 13:26.59 | Dmitry_Platonov | what's firefox on openmoko status? |
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| 13:27.20 | squalyl | I've added a line in the UMA section of the wishlist |
| 13:27.27 | empty_mind | Dmitry_Platonov, miles away |
| 13:27.32 | woglinde | you dont want firefox on openmoko |
| 13:27.43 | squalyl | why dont we? |
| 13:27.47 | woglinde | but firefox crosscompiles for arm yes |
| 13:27.49 | ynezz | webkit... |
| 13:28.00 | daxxar | What browser are you going to run? |
| 13:28.09 | guillaum1 | squalyl, could the cell-id from the operator's location server be sufficient ? |
| 13:28.12 | daxxar | Ported version of Minimo? ;-) |
| 13:28.28 | woglinde | minimo isnt quiet smaller than firefox |
| 13:28.45 | ynezz | it's slow |
| 13:28.54 | hrw | minimo will probably fit better |
| 13:29.01 | ynezz | webkit is the only way I think |
| 13:29.06 | ynezz | or elinks... |
| 13:29.08 | ynezz | :) |
| 13:29.09 | woglinde | hehe |
| 13:29.17 | raster | mosaic |
| 13:29.33 | zell1983 | ? |
| 13:29.48 | squalyl | guillaum1: Even if we have this, we need to send a request to the network that marks the device using a GANC to route calls. |
| 13:29.50 | empty_mind | zell1983, nothing liked your logo |
| 13:29.59 | empty_mind | s/logo/name |
| 13:30.11 | daxxar | I think a minimo port is already underway or done? :-) |
| 13:30.11 | zell1983 | ah ok :P |
| 13:30.18 | squalyl | guillaum1: without that, incoming calls to the mobile station would be routed through the radio and not through IP |
| 13:30.35 | guillaum1 | squalyl, ok |
| 13:30.47 | squalyl | this is sad :( |
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| 13:31.42 | mnemonicE2 | hi |
| 13:32.00 | mnemonicE2 | why the OpenMoko phone is very expensive ?? |
| 13:32.01 | aloril | mnemonicE2: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 13:32.24 | woglinde | mnemonicE2 it isnt |
| 13:32.25 | ScaredyCat | mnemonicE2: it's not |
| 13:32.28 | jfreels | it's not that expensive when you weight the options |
| 13:32.35 | jfreels | weigh* |
| 13:32.35 | zell1983 | mnemonicE2, it's not |
| 13:32.57 | ScaredyCat | locked mobile phones are susidised, neo is unlocked |
| 13:33.05 | mnemonicE2 | but the iPhone has many other options |
| 13:33.06 | jfreels | most any phone with built in GPS now is over 400$ |
| 13:33.10 | cjb_ie | it's cheaper than anything else with similar hardware, if you buy without a network contract |
| 13:33.16 | ScaredyCat | the iphone is locked |
| 13:33.16 | zell1983 | mnemonicE2, lol the iphone :D |
| 13:33.22 | ScaredyCat | in so many ways |
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| 13:33.30 | cjb_ie | mnemonicE2: options? you have to hack the firmware just to change the ringtone |
| 13:34.03 | mnemonicE2 | maybe |
| 13:34.18 | sannes | cjb_ie: are you saying that the neo won't even have 23 steps to change the ringtone!? ... :P |
| 13:34.29 | FuzzyCat | ar eyou here for the comedy mnemonicE2 ? |
| 13:34.37 | mnemonicE2 | no |
| 13:34.42 | cjb_ie | sannes: you can make it as many steps as you like - that's the beauty of open source :-) |
| 13:34.42 | woglinde | *g* |
| 13:34.57 | mnemonicE2 | but I still think 300$ is money |
| 13:35.02 | woglinde | yes |
| 13:35.04 | mjr | of course it's money |
| 13:35.06 | FuzzyCat | then you need to read about the iphone and the resrictions it forces on its users |
| 13:35.09 | mjr | but it's not expensive |
| 13:35.21 | FuzzyCat | then you need to look at the neo, and the freedom it gives its users |
| 13:35.22 | raster | mnemonicE2: the openmoko is very very very cheap |
| 13:35.24 | cjb_ie | for an unsubsidised phone, it's very cheap for the feature set. |
| 13:35.27 | mjr | it would be expensive for a dumb phone |
| 13:35.28 | woglinde | but wait for october if you are not sure |
| 13:35.39 | mjr | but the Neo isn't |
| 13:35.49 | mnemonicE2 | we can't get it without GPS ? |
| 13:35.54 | cjb_ie | mjr: well, it won't be when the software is done :-) |
| 13:35.54 | FuzzyCat | besides, USD is worth about 0.001 of anything else at the moment |
| 13:35.57 | woglinde | no with wifi |
| 13:36.21 | darmou_ | the iPhone has some cool featurus though, would be nice to get some of them with OpenMoko |
| 13:36.21 | mjr | cjb_ie, well, let's just say that currently it's smart, and a phone, but not a smartphone ;) |
| 13:36.22 | mnemonicE2 | GPRS+Internet+GoogleEarth don't do the same ? |
| 13:36.22 | cjb_ie | mnemonicE2: making diffeent versions would push the overall cost up |
| 13:36.23 | aloril | mnemonicE2: iPhone is something like $2000 when you add contract to its price |
| 13:36.34 | zell1983 | darmou_, like which? |
| 13:36.36 | raster | mnemonicE2: no they dont |
| 13:36.42 | raster | gps tells the phone WHERE it is |
| 13:36.46 | cjb_ie | mnemonicE2: they don't give you your current location |
| 13:36.51 | raster | google + gprs + internet do not |
| 13:36.59 | raster | you have to tell them WHERE you are |
| 13:36.59 | FuzzyCat | he said gpRs raster |
| 13:37.04 | raster | gprs at best can tell you your cell |
| 13:37.08 | darmou_ | like the web browser, the scrolling through contacts, being able to use google maps and youtube easily |
| 13:37.10 | darmou_ | etc |
| 13:37.12 | raster | FuzzyCat: i know |
| 13:37.24 | raster | well with some help fromt he telco u can triangulate |
| 13:37.28 | darmou_ | the sms is really cool too more like IM |
| 13:37.29 | zell1983 | darmou_, the scrolling through contacts , I think is stupid... |
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| 13:37.32 | SpeedEvil | aloril: you've gotta subtract what a comparable contract would be for the neo. |
| 13:37.32 | raster | but ists not very accurate |
| 13:37.43 | woglinde | raster why the telco? |
| 13:37.44 | raster | (last i saw it in action) |
| 13:37.54 | woglinde | raster look where the atennas are |
| 13:38.01 | woglinde | and mark the cellnumber |
| 13:38.08 | raster | woglinde: you need to know signal strength to at least 3 towers then you need to knwo the locatiosn of those 3 towers |
| 13:38.14 | aloril | SpeedEvil: yes, but reportedly you need that contract with iPhone (I might remember this wrong) |
| 13:38.19 | raster | without locatiosn of the towers... |
| 13:38.21 | zell1983 | I mean, I want to call a contact rapidly , I don't want waste my time playing with a stupid scroll for search for my contact |
| 13:38.26 | darmou_ | talking about webkit I'm sure there is a gtk webkit browser |
| 13:38.29 | mnemonicE2 | and I want to know : OpenMoko can run normal GTK tools ? |
| 13:38.31 | woglinde | in cities you have enough towers |
| 13:38.47 | raster | but you don't have their LOCATION |
| 13:38.49 | raster | it |
| 13:38.50 | raster | ie |
| 13:38.52 | raster | lat/log |
| 13:38.59 | raster | if u had that for all cell towers |
| 13:39.01 | raster | u could do it |
| 13:39.02 | XorA | darmou_: there is |
| 13:39.08 | raster | if you had 3 towers in range |
| 13:39.08 | darmou_ | http://gtk-webcore.sourceforge.net/ ? |
| 13:39.11 | woglinde | make service like openstreetmap |
| 13:39.20 | SpeedEvil | aloril: true - but to be honest unless you're comparing it against not having a phone, stating the $2000 cost, when a service with a dataplan is going to be a moderate percentage of that. |
| 13:39.21 | abraxa_ | mnemonicE2: OpenMoko uses GTK+, yes |
| 13:39.28 | raster | a gps chip/unit gives you actual lat/long |
| 13:39.31 | woglinde | so no need form telcos |
| 13:39.43 | mnemonicE2 | use and can run apps? |
| 13:39.45 | mjr | mnemonicE2, it runs an X server, so basically any X software should run, modulo memory and screen size. GTK is used for the "native" tools |
| 13:39.49 | SpeedEvil | woglinde: the modem does _not_ give us timing info. And towers can cover 15km radius |
| 13:39.53 | mnemonicE2 | there is no special configs? |
| 13:40.04 | mnemonicE2 | ok |
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| 13:40.15 | woglinde | speedevil I know I broke the approach down for cities |
| 13:40.16 | SpeedEvil | mnemonicE2: it's more a desktop than a conventional 'embedded' app |
| 13:40.17 | darmou_ | XorA: is that in openembedded the flower browser? |
| 13:40.55 | SpeedEvil | Even in cities, phone towers can cover quite largish areas. |
| 13:41.02 | XorA | darmou_: GdkLauncher, got by building webkit |
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| 13:41.06 | mnemonicE2 | But I think I should wait before I get new one, wait for apps to grow in number and price to fall... |
| 13:41.15 | bug_ | mnemonicE2: iphones fine print: http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2007/07/whats-hidden-in-iphones-fine-print.html |
| 13:41.18 | darmou_ | XorA: thanks |
| 13:41.38 | SpeedEvil | mnemonicE2: A normal user buying at this time would have to be insane. |
| 13:41.53 | SpeedEvil | A nokia 1100 is a better phone at 1/10th the price. |
| 13:42.23 | darmou_ | ahh the price of freedom... |
| 13:42.45 | phrozen77 | 3) Double Billing. You and the Caller Both Get Charged for the Same Call. |
| 13:42.48 | phrozen77 | ^^ wtf?! |
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| 13:43.51 | mnemonicE2 | bug_ : What's this site !!!! |
| 13:44.15 | mnemonicE2 | they haven't said this before ! |
| 13:45.02 | bug_ | mnemonicE2 : dunno somebody put the link in here a few days ago |
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| 13:47.00 | mnemonicE2 | iPhone has all this limitation ? |
| 13:47.27 | mnemonicE2 | So people that own it should begin searching for cracks... |
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| 13:48.37 | Kensan | irc is getting scary: "15:50 -!- dneary is now known as dneary_hospital" |
| 13:49.38 | dneary_away | Kensan: It's more a good news than bad news... |
| 13:49.49 | dneary_away | Kensan: You will find out later :) |
| 13:50.00 | bug_ | mnemonicE2: http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/07/03/1622212&from=rss |
| 13:50.42 | bug_ | not quiet new but.. |
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| 13:53.31 | DukeOfURL | I'm getting a queasy feeling about whether AT&T will shut down the Neo... |
| 13:53.55 | galexande | if openmoko.com doesn't shut it down first |
| 13:54.18 | galexande | dneary, are you breeding!! |
| 13:54.25 | andylockran | that was my thought |
| 13:54.47 | andylockran | either that or having an ingrowing toenail removed |
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| 13:59.38 | hhf423 | I just checked my email and ... !!1! |
| 13:59.49 | hhf423 | there is nothing there! |
| 14:00.03 | hhf423 | awww |
| 14:01.52 | *** join/#openmoko drath_ (i=vmaster@p5B07D125.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:02.39 | hhf423 | which reminds me of sweden-jokes a finnish customer recently told me |
| 14:03.14 | hhf423 | well, actually, he said that there are no sweden-jokes told in finnland ... |
| 14:03.23 | hhf423 | ... as they are all real stories! |
| 14:03.32 | jeddy3 | :) |
| 14:04.17 | hhf423 | which, I think is a fair comment to make and one any german from the north would agree on when it comes to germans from the south |
| 14:04.24 | hhf423 | and probably vice versa |
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| 14:05.56 | hhf423 | say, does anyone know if a linux box is required for bringing the phone up to the last level after one receives the shipment? or is a windows box enough? |
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| 14:06.54 | jeddy3 | i'd say maybe possible with a windows box, but a LOT easier with a linux box |
| 14:07.23 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 14:08.06 | jeddy3 | hello CoreDump|home |
| 14:08.08 | hhf423 | jeddy3: why, whats to do to get the neo up to speed once its arrived? |
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| 14:09.03 | hhf423 | can I not just flash it with the latest stuff via serial or something? |
| 14:09.04 | jeddy3 | hhf423, compiling, flashing, etc, i guess... |
| 14:09.31 | hhf423 | that is not in the wiki yet, or did I just not find it? |
| 14:09.32 | CoreDump|home | hhf423: I believe there is no windows ports of the flashing utility yet |
| 14:09.38 | jeddy3 | hhf423, sure, should be possible |
| 14:09.54 | hhf423 | CoreDump|home: ah, ok |
| 14:09.57 | jeddy3 | or maybe not :) |
| 14:10.25 | XorA | hhf423: you can use any terminal program + rootfs/kernel on SD card from windows |
| 14:10.28 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: Bootloader is preinstalled. For all other stuff you can use dfu-util. It's on the wiki |
| 14:10.37 | CoreDump|home | It is possible that u-boot handles updates sent via serial console. I'm not sure about that tho |
| 14:10.43 | XorA | CoreDump|home: it does |
| 14:11.09 | hhf423 | stefan_schmidt: and dfu is only for linux at the moment or also windows? |
| 14:11.12 | CoreDump|home | XorA: nice ;) |
| 14:11.24 | XorA | CoreDump|home: it takes like 10 mins to download the kernel though |
| 14:11.25 | stefan_schmidt | Serial is only used for a bootloader shell in OpenMoko. Flashing is DFU |
| 14:11.30 | koen | dfu is available for windows and osx |
| 14:11.34 | woglinde | hi stefan_schmidt |
| 14:11.39 | koen | since it's the tool used to flash bluetooth dongles |
| 14:11.53 | hhf423 | ah, cool |
| 14:11.55 | radiorental | heyup.. I'm trying to get the mokomakefile built for the first time, 2 days now the bitbake server has been timing out. Any helps? |
| 14:12.00 | stefan_schmidt | koen: Tried a tool from a other vendor with it? |
| 14:12.13 | stefan_schmidt | koen: As I only have linux I never tested this. |
| 14:12.32 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: yeah, 10 min serial vs. 3s DFU :) |
| 14:12.33 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: u-boot core supports serial downloads, and I have done it before with success |
| 14:12.51 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: Of course it still works, just make no sense. :) |
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| 14:13.07 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: this was in the days before the mmc worked, and before the usbtty stuff was added, and long before dfu |
| 14:13.15 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: People with debug board can also use JTAG if they like. ;) |
| 14:13.20 | koen | XorA: so we can push updates via the gsm modem ;) |
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| 14:13.26 | stefan_schmidt | XorA: Ah, ok |
| 14:13.37 | stefan_schmidt | hi lrg |
| 14:13.45 | XorA | ~fish lrg |
| 14:13.46 | apt | ACTION slaps lrg around with a large trout |
| 14:13.49 | lrg | hi stefan_schmidt |
| 14:13.58 | CoreDump|home | serial uploading and flashing via terminal is probably a no-go for most windows mouse-pushers out there so a windows GUI app would probably help the cause |
| 14:13.59 | stefan_schmidt | It must be love between lrg and XorA |
| 14:14.41 | stefan_schmidt | CoreDump|home: There is no windows GUI app in plan for at least the next month. Developer uses Linux. ;) |
| 14:14.52 | CoreDump|home | stefan_schmidt: of course |
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| 14:15.30 | stefan_schmidt | lrg: Where should I send the zune2 for X-Mas? ;) |
| 14:15.37 | XorA | hey kic |
| 14:15.39 | stefan_schmidt | welcome mickeyl |
| 14:15.40 | XorA | hey mickeyl |
| 14:15.42 | Qwell | stefan_schmidt: dump? |
| 14:15.47 | phrozen77 | lol |
| 14:15.50 | mnemonicE2 | GTK isn't a very big lib for OpenMoko ? |
| 14:15.55 | stefan_schmidt | Qwell: ? |
| 14:16.07 | Qwell | why would anybody want a zune? :) |
| 14:16.11 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 14:16.14 | mnemonicE2 | why they didn't use smaller libs ? |
| 14:16.15 | stefan_schmidt | Qwell: That was the joke. :) |
| 14:16.32 | ferric | hm, so new orders seem to have stopped at 24xx |
| 14:16.37 | SiO2 | Qwell, it is from the best os-producer ;) *runamwai* |
| 14:16.42 | stefan_schmidt | mnemonicE2: What would you suggest for a rich UI? |
| 14:16.48 | SiO2 | runawai |
| 14:16.51 | Qwell | stefan_schmidt: gnucash? |
| 14:16.55 | Qwell | okay, I'm done |
| 14:17.00 | woglinde | lol |
| 14:17.11 | empty_mind | in mokomakefile, what is the difference between run-qemu and run-qemu-snapshot targets ? |
| 14:17.13 | hrw | mnemonicE2: smaller means? |
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| 14:17.21 | mokobot | Please don't let this man torture me. |
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| 14:17.36 | stefan_schmidt | ~lart mokobot |
| 14:17.36 | apt | beats mokobot over the head with a microkernel |
| 14:17.37 | dtx | Hidee ho! |
| 14:17.39 | mnemonicE2 | in size |
| 14:17.55 | hhf423 | CoreDump|home: I think a good documentation how to do it with Windows is good enough for Windows users |
| 14:18.12 | CoreDump|home | whoever maintains mokobot should probably change the trigger from "~" to something else... |
| 14:18.28 | dtx | ~lart |
| 14:18.36 | stefan_schmidt | mnemonicE2: If you don't like to have ncurses you just need some big libs doing the work for you |
| 14:18.42 | hhf423 | CoreDump|home: a fried who is a total-non-techi just managed to install a VPN in windows just with a good documentation. I was surprised. |
| 14:18.53 | hrw | mnemonicE2: I mean - which smaller libs? |
| 14:18.58 | hrw | mnemonicE2: xlib driectly? |
| 14:19.01 | CoreDump|home | hhf423: If there is no GUI most mouse-pushers won't even try |
| 14:19.07 | dtx | ~lart * |
| 14:19.07 | apt | whacks * with the cluebat |
| 14:19.19 | dtx | ~lart dick |
| 14:19.19 | apt | smacks dick up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 14:19.29 | CoreDump|home | ... |
| 14:19.33 | dtx | odd |
| 14:19.34 | CoreDump|home | !lart mokobot |
| 14:19.47 | hrw | CoreDump|home: you are on angstrom-devel? |
| 14:19.52 | hhf423 | CoreDump|home: well, probably "real" mouse pushers not, but the in-between-guys |
| 14:19.52 | dtx | help |
| 14:19.52 | CoreDump|home | hrw: yeah |
| 14:19.52 | aloril | Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (gives this link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ ) |
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| 14:20.19 | CoreDump|home | hhf423: we shall see once P2 hits the stores =) |
| 14:20.22 | stefan_schmidt | mnemonicE2: But we are always open for suggestions. |
| 14:20.41 | CoreDump|home | hrw: I don't read it daily tho |
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| 14:21.12 | stefan_schmidt | hi florian |
| 14:21.21 | florian | oops |
| 14:21.23 | florian | hi stefan_schmidt |
| 14:21.24 | hhf423 | CoreDump|home: then it will probably be a non-issue. because then people can update fast via wifi from the phone itself |
| 14:21.26 | woglinde | re florian |
| 14:21.40 | dtx | Its too bad Neo doesn't have a camera |
| 14:21.40 | stefan_schmidt | florian: Where can I download the GPEPhone image for the neo? :) |
| 14:21.58 | dtx | It would be nice to introduce an interface where you can use sign language or something like that to input into it |
| 14:22.02 | stefan_schmidt | dtx: It's a question of taste. |
| 14:22.03 | dtx | In lieu of a keyboard |
| 14:22.12 | dtx | how so? |
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| 14:22.13 | CoreDump|home | hhf423: That is wishful thinking =) But such an update mechanism would rock indeed |
| 14:22.28 | stefan_schmidt | dtx: Personally I find cameras on phones pretty useless. |
| 14:22.32 | florian | stefan_schmidt: i'll upload one... |
| 14:22.37 | stefan_schmidt | florian: Cool |
| 14:22.47 | stefan_schmidt | florian: I'll test it. :) |
| 14:22.58 | hhf423 | CoreDump|home: I could imagine that this is easier to implement than to write windows software :-) at least for all the linux developers |
| 14:23.11 | dtx | Yeah, thats why I'm saying put it on there and this would be the first phone where we could actually find a use for it ;-) |
| 14:23.41 | CoreDump|home | hhf423: as koen said, there is already some sort of windows app for dfu-util out there |
| 14:24.06 | hhf423 | stefan_schmidt: did you see that 3D Barcodes they want to use for Wikipedia? So that you can photograph one and your phone opens an associated web page |
| 14:24.16 | stefan_schmidt | dtx: heh, some software tricks for OCR etc could be fun, but still useless as a normal day-by-day camera |
| 14:24.30 | hhf423 | stefan_schmidt: I think the 3D barcodes were demonstrated on the last congress |
| 14:24.47 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: http://www.datenfreihafen.org/projects/iec16022.html My personal pet project |
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| 14:25.11 | hhf423 | in any case I think there are good uses for a camera on a phone. and if only for the odd snapshot |
| 14:25.24 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: I see some use, but prefer the choice to not have one. |
| 14:25.38 | dtx | stefan: neo seems like it would be the ultimate phone, but I'm trying to think of some way to enable rapid input into it |
| 14:25.47 | stefan_schmidt | hhf423: We think about a solution for the camera problem for future devices. |
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| 14:26.06 | hhf423 | stefan_schmidt: sure, choice is always good. I was just at a customer site where cam-phones were not allowed. imagine to work there :-) |
| 14:26.08 | stefan_schmidt | dtx: yeah, input is hard. |
| 14:26.27 | XorA | stefan_schmidt: I always like the Ericson detachable cameras |
| 14:26.31 | hhf423 | stefan_schmidt: or a nice-to-attach USB cam |
| 14:26.43 | hhf423 | XorA: exactly |
| 14:27.15 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, make it a plugin is cool. |
| 14:27.47 | stefan_schmidt | We will see. I'm just a software developer and have no ideas about the problems with this hardware stuff. |
| 14:28.22 | mjr | an USB cam designed for the Neo could be nice, but I'm not sure the volumes would justify such an accessory at this point... |
| 14:28.34 | mjr | anyway, at least it could take into account the need to be self-powered |
| 14:28.43 | stefan_schmidt | mjr: It will not work without power anyway. |
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| 14:29.10 | mjr | internal battery, whatever |
| 14:29.14 | stefan_schmidt | mjr: I don't see a camera before after-GTA02 anyway |
| 14:29.21 | mjr | yeah, me neither |
| 14:29.40 | mjr | and personally, I lug around a good quality pocket cam anyway |
| 14:31.00 | ScaredyCat | with a hammer if necessary |
| 14:31.08 | hhf423 | nah, these days I just want to carry around one uber-gadget and not multiple devices |
| 14:31.26 | hhf423 | having two belts to carry them all was the nineties :-) |
| 14:31.31 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: Lucky guy that there will be none. :) |
| 14:32.22 | dcorking | daxxar, ynezz : browser.garage.maemo.org may be another platform to build on - alternative to webkit and minimo |
| 14:32.23 | dtx | The more toys packed in the funner |
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| 14:32.52 | XorA | daxxar: s/alternative/just minimo with a maemo wrapper/ |
| 14:32.56 | squalyl | do openmoko-rss-reader builds ? here it fails to build |
| 14:33.05 | XorA | squalyl: fails here |
| 14:33.13 | squalyl | yesterday, everything was OK |
| 14:33.20 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Fix your code... ;) |
| 14:33.31 | squalyl | XorA: then how to avoid building it? |
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| 14:33.39 | XorA | squalyl: I used yesterdays image |
| 14:34.02 | squalyl | lol OK |
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| 14:35.43 | stefan_schmidt | squalyl: This bug? http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=648 |
| 14:35.46 | squalyl | no one developed a bitbake openmoko-devel-image --exclude openmoko-rss-reader ? :D |
| 14:36.08 | squalyl | stefan_schmidt: Yeah this one |
| 14:36.42 | jeddy3 | empty_mind, in case you haven't got an answer yet, run-qemu-snapshot does a "readonly" enviroment, so next time you run it it'll be like first time again |
| 14:36.49 | florian | dcorking: I would prefer webkit over minimonster... webkit is smaller and faster |
| 14:36.50 | stefan_schmidt | squalyl: You can set the SRC_URI of the reader to yesterday. Means it use the code from yesterday. |
| 14:37.01 | squalyl | stefan_schmidt: cool ! |
| 14:37.53 | stefan_schmidt | squalyl: err, SRCDATE of course |
| 14:38.21 | stefan_schmidt | squalyl: Do you use mokomakefile? |
| 14:38.27 | squalyl | no |
| 14:38.30 | stefan_schmidt | ok |
| 14:38.33 | squalyl | plain raw build :D |
| 14:38.35 | florian | stefan_schmidt: http://linuxtogo.org/~florian/index.php?path=gpepe%2Ffic-gta01/ in a few minutes |
| 14:38.44 | dcorking | is there a browser in GPE? |
| 14:38.53 | stefan_schmidt | in /trunk/oe/conf/distro/include/preferred-openmoko-versions.inc of your svn tree |
| 14:39.06 | florian | dcorking: gpe-mini-browser |
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| 14:39.22 | stefan_schmidt | squalyl: You need to change SRCDATE_openmoko-rssreader = "now" from now to 20070722 e.g. |
| 14:39.23 | squalyl | does it work in build/conf/local.conf |
| 14:39.31 | squalyl | I did that |
| 14:39.42 | stefan_schmidt | florian: Cool. Hopefully I have some time to test it tonight. |
| 14:39.48 | dcorking | i heard that the maemo browser has cairo ripped out - so may be hard to localize |
| 14:39.56 | stefan_schmidt | squalyl: Not sure. Test it. |
| 14:40.04 | squalyl | I am |
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| 14:43.29 | dcorking | gpe-mini-browser sounds cool - thanks florian |
| 14:44.06 | florian | stefan_schmidt: iirc you need to run ts calibration manually and move the softkeys |
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| 14:44.25 | stefan_schmidt | florian: ok |
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| 14:52.38 | kristian-m | CoreDump|home you've got a tock to much in "'[]" - maybe escaping it would help |
| 14:52.50 | kristian-m | whops wrong window |
| 14:53.04 | CoreDump|home | ? |
| 14:53.36 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: that servers page, you mean software stuff ? |
| 14:54.06 | ScaredyCat | sync servers, ipk servers etc ? |
| 14:54.13 | kristian-m | CoreDump|home I focussed the wrong bitchx-window - used tab |
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| 14:54.48 | CoreDump|home | kristian-m: ah ;) |
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| 14:55.53 | woglinde | hi jfreels |
| 14:55.55 | woglinde | *g* |
| 14:55.57 | jfreels | hey man |
| 14:56.03 | jfreels | still battling |
| 14:56.31 | jfreels | lunch time, the battle will continue |
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| 15:00.42 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:00.53 | ewon | heh |
| 15:00.57 | jfreels | good idea |
| 15:01.04 | ewon | what else can they be used for? |
| 15:01.12 | hhf423 | I wonder what is holding the guys back from giving a short status every day? I mean, this is an "open source" project and there is almost no info on what is happening |
| 15:01.14 | jfreels | i like the "shake to wake" idea |
| 15:01.35 | ewon | jfreels: except if you're walking along with it in your pocket.. |
| 15:02.00 | jfreels | you could probably make it accurate |
| 15:02.11 | ScaredyCat | well, unless you exert 5g when you walk you should be fine |
| 15:02.18 | jfreels | hahaha |
| 15:02.29 | jfreels | yeah, on the tilt-o-whirl you could have a problem |
| 15:02.37 | ewon | heh :) |
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| 15:03.07 | orospakr | *sigh* |
| 15:03.13 | orospakr | my card hasn't been charged yet. |
| 15:03.28 | jfreels | i'll personally like to see it used to scan through the contacts...tilt right and it goes down the list, tilt left , it goes back up |
| 15:03.44 | Kensan | orospakr: did you read http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/007765.html? |
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| 15:03.55 | ScaredyCat | orospakr: atm is doesn't seems to matter much... unless it was denied, then you'll never know |
| 15:04.13 | Kero | orospakr: what kind of CC ? Mine took considerably longer than most, too. |
| 15:04.14 | SpeedEvil | jfreels: you can tell which direction is 'down' - you can't tell roll about the down axis - this limits some uses. |
| 15:04.18 | orospakr | Kensan: ah, that answered the question. :) |
| 15:04.23 | orospakr | Kero: Visa. |
| 15:04.28 | jfreels | ahh ok |
| 15:04.42 | orospakr | but I ordered an Orange phone. :) |
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| 15:05.02 | squalyl | (scuse me... what kind of /dev stuff input will we get from the accelerometers?) |
| 15:05.18 | Kero | ah :) |
| 15:05.44 | squalyl | a numerical value that represents acceleration? |
| 15:05.45 | ScaredyCat | oh, so they haven't even made yours yet then orospakr ;) |
| 15:05.56 | Kero | hehe |
| 15:07.29 | don-o | the FIC staff is slow to box the units because they're playing with their P2 beta units :) |
| 15:07.36 | SpeedEvil | you basically get - physically - a 3D direction and a 2D magnitude |
| 15:08.14 | SpeedEvil | Also - for two accelerometers of the sorts mentioned on the mailing list, you can tell which one a tap on the phone was closer to. |
| 15:08.46 | Qwell[] | SpeedEvil: librichter? |
| 15:09.03 | Qwell[] | oh, hmm, sorry, I said I was done earlier, didn't I? I guess I lied... |
| 15:09.27 | SpeedEvil | qwe: don't know of existing libs |
| 15:09.35 | Qwell[] | I was joking :) |
| 15:09.52 | quinton | why would it be a 2d magnitude? |
| 15:10.27 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 15:10.27 | ScaredyCat | http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/marksmith/sdl.html |
| 15:10.28 | SpeedEvil | sorry |
| 15:10.30 | SpeedEvil | magnitude |
| 15:11.23 | SpeedEvil | you basically get a direction and a magnitude, and the motion of any vehicle you may be in mixes in with the desired movement. |
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| 15:12.04 | galexande | and there's no compass functionality except derived from the vector? |
| 15:12.35 | galexande | it's precision isn't great, but how's its accuracy? if you move positive in longitude will it ever report negative in longitude due to noise? |
| 15:12.56 | SpeedEvil | there is no compass |
| 15:13.00 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean |
| 15:13.01 | quinton | SpeedEvil, i'm not sure i understand what you mean |
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| 15:13.24 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_Fundamentals |
| 15:13.25 | squalyl | correct me if I'm wrong, but 2 accelerometers also gives rotation information ? |
| 15:13.37 | SpeedEvil | You're wrong - sort-of |
| 15:13.48 | SpeedEvil | for the ones announced on the mailing list, they functionally don't. |
| 15:14.10 | SpeedEvil | I've written this all up on the above page, which is at least moderately clear on what you can do with accelerometers, and what you can't. |
| 15:14.26 | galexande | nevercmind i thought you were still talking about gps :) |
| 15:16.18 | orospakr | ScaredyCat: neat. :) |
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| 15:17.37 | cjb_ie | SpeedEvil: it's a good and informative page, i must say. |
| 15:19.30 | squalyl | yes, a good page. |
| 15:19.54 | SpeedEvil | An actual compass would be nice. |
| 15:20.02 | jfreels | so happens I have a compatible thinkpad....never thought about googleing to find extended apps to use it |
| 15:20.05 | jfreels | thanks for the link |
| 15:20.08 | SpeedEvil | But - you're looking at probably $10, or $20 at least on the page |
| 15:20.22 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 15:20.26 | SpeedEvil | $20 on the price |
| 15:20.28 | jfreels | well, I don't have it personally, a co worker...I just sent him the link so I can play with it |
| 15:20.35 | SpeedEvil | $10 cost for FIC - with compass |
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| 15:25.45 | Placid | SpeedEvil: I don't see the suggestion that Accelerometers could be used for entropy :D |
| 15:26.48 | Qwell[] | Placid: ~@: /usr/sbin/entropyd |
| 15:26.48 | Qwell[] | Please place phone in pocket and walk three miles to gather entropy. |
| 15:26.49 | SpeedEvil | Good point. |
| 15:27.24 | jfreels | 1,00what's the deal with openmokoboard.org? |
| 15:27.35 | mjr | gah |
| 15:27.51 | Placid | Qwell[]: lol |
| 15:28.03 | writchie | 3-axis compass would be nice. |
| 15:28.04 | koen | jfreels: stop using colours on IRC, it's annoying |
| 15:28.09 | Placid | Qwell[]: more like "Please shake your phone frantically to gather entropy" |
| 15:28.19 | Qwell[] | Placid: what's the fun in that? |
| 15:28.28 | writchie | flexible sensor board i/f maybe the answer |
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| 15:28.48 | writchie | why no led's is stumping me |
| 15:29.15 | Placid | Qwell[]: heh, indeed. |
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| 15:30.05 | jfreels | bah |
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| 15:31.47 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:A-GPS - a first cut at what might be nice on a AGPS server. |
| 15:31.50 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03shoragan * r2387 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.22.x/ (. patches/): Create branch for 2.6.22.x kernel patches. |
| 15:33.10 | squalyl | test done: please note that putting SRCDATE_something in local.conf is unuseful. |
| 15:33.33 | squalyl | sigh hours to get that... |
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| 15:36.24 | hhf423 | ahhh, carp, so who did not get payment mail will not get the phone shipped this week. darn. |
| 15:37.06 | squalyl | do you think it could build faster on a "SunOS hostname 5.10 Generic_118833-36 sun4u sparc SUNW,Sun-Fire-V890" |
| 15:37.18 | mmazur | Shipments this week? Yeah! |
| 15:37.48 | squalyl | argh no monotone on my school's server X_X aborting l33t build attempt |
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| 15:38.51 | don-o | squalyl: the mokomakefile builds its own monotone |
| 15:39.01 | don-o | squalyl: iirc :) |
| 15:39.07 | nbd | especially building the boost library is fun |
| 15:39.15 | nbd | gcc processes eating 480+ MB of ram |
| 15:40.18 | squalyl | don-o: It would be great if mokomakefile tried to install his version in $HOME and not in system dirs, i'm not admin on this machine :) |
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| 15:41.11 | don-o | squalyl: yes i see. im not sure how much work that would be but its got to be possible. |
| 15:41.21 | squalyl | I'm trying. |
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| 15:42.15 | hhf423 | http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/07/hands-on-with-t.html |
| 15:44.02 | squalyl | don-o: make setup complains it does not find mtn :( |
| 15:44.04 | hhf423 | I also wonder from the videos on youtube why the icons are not made bigger. at the moment using the phone with fingers looks hard to do |
| 15:44.16 | squalyl | really failed :/ |
| 15:44.26 | squalyl | I have to install all by hand |
| 15:45.27 | squalyl | but it's time to get back home. See ya tomorrow :) |
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| 15:51.09 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:53.16 | SpeedEvil | hhf423: THGERE IS A recast of the core apps going on internally to FIC at the moment. |
| 15:53.19 | SpeedEvil | Easier finger-use |
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| 15:53.38 | offray_ | Hi all :) |
| 15:53.39 | buz | sounds kinda anti open source |
| 15:53.53 | buz | release early, release often after all |
| 15:53.58 | hhf423 | SpeedEvil: ah, thats good to hear |
| 15:54.15 | offray_ | I will be on United States next week for 15 days and I was thinking that it was a good time to buy a Neo1973 |
| 15:54.18 | SpeedEvil | I get the feeling that they want to keep some sanity in the core apps. |
| 15:54.22 | SpeedEvil | offray_: nope. |
| 15:54.27 | Stephmw | buz: meh, I don't mind... I'll be rewriting the whole UI anyway... |
| 15:54.36 | buz | in qt or what |
| 15:54.36 | SpeedEvil | offray_: it's almost certain that there won't be any in the states for sale then |
| 15:54.47 | Stephmw | buz: I'm a heretic, I'll do it in Java |
| 15:54.56 | hhf423 | offray_: it is unlikely that they will be able to ship you a phone within 15 days |
| 15:54.57 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: so you're an internal openmoko employee? |
| 15:55.00 | offray_ | SpeedEvil: not even for developers? |
| 15:55.00 | aloril | offray_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 15:55.06 | ewon | I have a question - is there a framework in place so that the phonecall *always* pops up the phone-answering app? |
| 15:55.07 | SpeedEvil | duffyd: no |
| 15:55.11 | SpeedEvil | offray_: no |
| 15:55.17 | SpeedEvil | offray_: public reports |
| 15:55.48 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: ok, so how are you in the know? ;-) |
| 15:55.51 | SpeedEvil | offray_: there have been a batch of 1000 made. It looks like all these have been sold - but this has not been confirmed. |
| 15:56.09 | SpeedEvil | offray_: The production of a new batch has not been announced. |
| 15:56.14 | SpeedEvil | duffyd: mailing list, IRC |
| 15:56.33 | buz | Stephmw: supposedly javafx already is on openmoko |
| 15:56.36 | duffyd | oh |
| 15:56.48 | koen | buz: running on the neo, not on openmoko |
| 15:56.58 | offray_ | SpeedEvil: that is a shame :( |
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| 15:57.07 | SpeedEvil | offray_: indeed. |
| 15:57.24 | buz | koen: where do you draw the line? if openmoko's kernel is used but another gui, what would it be? |
| 15:57.24 | SpeedEvil | Best case, it could be around 3 weeks time before new phones are availble. |
| 15:57.30 | Stephmw | buz: meh, JavaFX, JavaFX Mobile, etc... I want to see some source |
| 15:57.33 | buz | (i doubt sun wrote a complete stack) |
| 15:57.42 | hhf423 | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/007765.html |
| 15:57.47 | SpeedEvil | Openmokos is IMO the whole distribution. |
| 15:57.48 | koen | buz: you mean linux kernel, right? |
| 15:57.55 | Stephmw | buz: Sun probably used the SavaJe work as the starter |
| 15:57.57 | hhf423 | this reads linke they will ship from second batch next week |
| 15:58.02 | SpeedEvil | Consider the same question about using a redhat kernel. |
| 15:58.09 | buz | koen: yeah, kernel, parts of the userland maybe? |
| 15:58.23 | SpeedEvil | hhf423: the initial batch of 1000 was split into two for shipping to the US |
| 15:58.24 | koen | like glibc, gcc, busybox? |
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| 15:58.37 | buz | something like that yes |
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| 15:58.50 | hhf423 | SpeedEvil: ah, so you think next week is second part of first batch? |
| 15:58.51 | koen | that's still not openmoko |
| 15:58.57 | buz | in the end it boils down to how you define openmoko |
| 15:58.57 | aloril | nothing has shipped for anybody yet AFAIC (except free phones some months ago) |
| 15:58.59 | SpeedEvil | hhf423: from all indications, yes. |
| 15:59.08 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
| 15:59.12 | koen | by your reasoning ubuntu is running openmoko because it uses a kernel, glibc and gcc |
| 15:59.15 | SpeedEvil | Openmoko is the whole distributioin. |
| 15:59.24 | SpeedEvil | Much like ubuntu, or slackware, or debian |
| 15:59.30 | offray_ | being from outside U.S. is really difficult to get one Neo1973 here |
| 15:59.33 | ewon | openmoko is a linux distro, that happens to run on some specific devices :) |
| 15:59.34 | buz | koen: no, ubuntu minus gnome is still ubuntu |
| 15:59.36 | offray_ | :( |
| 15:59.47 | hhf423 | offray_: where are you? |
| 15:59.52 | offray_ | Colombia |
| 16:00.00 | SpeedEvil | you can pull bits out of it, and get a forked version, but if it's not a default install, ... |
| 16:00.02 | hhf423 | offray_: I believe they ship everywhere |
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| 16:00.10 | offray_ | I was thinking to get the machine and start some evangelism |
| 16:00.12 | ewon | cjb_ie: hippy |
| 16:00.14 | buz | SpeedEvil: well obviously yes |
| 16:00.35 | ewon | so what are the chances of getting mplayer up to a usable framerate? |
| 16:00.36 | buz | IMHO it's rather a question of definition |
| 16:00.40 | ewon | will the GPU in gta02 help? |
| 16:00.42 | SpeedEvil | s/.../then if you pull enough bits it's not there./ |
| 16:00.52 | SpeedEvil | s/there/openmoko/ |
| 16:00.56 | ozark1 | offray_: where will you be in the US during your visit? |
| 16:00.59 | SpeedEvil | ewon: in principle. |
| 16:01.13 | buz | SpeedEvil: so where would you draw the line? |
| 16:01.20 | ewon | the thought of watching battlestar torrents on my phone appeals to me :) |
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| 16:01.32 | SpeedEvil | ewon: it seems fairly certain that you can get fullscreen QVGA video that's been specially reencoded. |
| 16:01.33 | hhf423 | offray_: here is what is known about shipping: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shipping_Notes |
| 16:01.49 | buz | GTA02 should eventually be able to do mpeg4-simple in hardware |
| 16:01.54 | SpeedEvil | Something like mpeg1@120kbytes/sec |
| 16:01.56 | buz | if/as/when we get drivers for that |
| 16:02.13 | SpeedEvil | You will _not_ be able to watch torrents on P1 |
| 16:02.14 | offray_ | hhf423: Thanks |
| 16:02.17 | buz | SpeedEvil: it might even do qvga mpeg4 |
| 16:02.23 | SpeedEvil | buz: yeah. |
| 16:02.32 | SpeedEvil | Without reencoding them that is. |
| 16:02.33 | buz | which is much better than mpeg1 |
| 16:02.40 | SpeedEvil | more CPU though |
| 16:02.50 | buz | you could probably to video ipod torrents |
| 16:02.57 | buz | s/to/do/ |
| 16:02.58 | ewon | SpeedEvil: gta01 = p1? |
| 16:03.02 | SpeedEvil | I looked at videos in 2.8" windows, and found you could go surprisingly low |
| 16:03.04 | offray_ | hhf423: Colombia is not there :( |
| 16:03.06 | buz | ewon: yes |
| 16:03.07 | SpeedEvil | ewon: the current version, yes |
| 16:03.23 | offray_ | I will try to contact sales people to see what I can do |
| 16:03.24 | hhf423 | offray_: but UPS ships there? |
| 16:03.24 | buz | well a few years back we watched qvga on normal tv |
| 16:03.27 | buz | (aka MPEG1) |
| 16:03.27 | SpeedEvil | 120*160 doesn't look much different from 240*320 unless you get pretty close |
| 16:03.30 | buz | heck some people still do |
| 16:03.50 | hhf423 | offray_: somewhere else it said that they ship everywhere UPS ships |
| 16:03.56 | SpeedEvil | And even mpeg1 you can drop the bitrate quite low at that sort of res |
| 16:04.16 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all |
| 16:04.34 | buz | yeah but still, mpeg1 is a sucky codec |
| 16:04.53 | don-o | will anyone be at OSCON with a P1? |
| 16:04.58 | buz | as is mpeg2 btw |
| 16:05.11 | buz | mpeg2 needs insane amounts of cpu to decode |
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| 16:08.41 | offray_ | hhf423: I'm writing at this moment to sales people a event to Sean, I really would like to have the phone in this travel, let's wait what they say... would be really nice to have it |
| 16:09.50 | ferric | so #24xx was the first 500 phones (600 RT #'s) |
| 16:09.58 | ferric | that's interesting. |
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| 16:11.06 | SpeedEvil | buz: sucky codec - yes. However, even a sucky codec at mpeg1 and qvga will get many hours of video in a gig. |
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| 16:13.35 | buz | i wonder what the difference in mpeg1 vs mpeg4 decoding cpu usage really is |
| 16:14.05 | mmazur | Yup. |
| 16:14.09 | mmazur | I know the pain. |
| 16:14.38 | buz | i guess you could do relative benchmarking in qemu |
| 16:14.44 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 16:14.47 | buz | or maybe not |
| 16:14.52 | dando | not really |
| 16:14.55 | SpeedEvil | Instructions don't really take the same amount of time. |
| 16:15.04 | SpeedEvil | memory cache isn't emulated at all. |
| 16:15.08 | buz | yeah i figured that moments after i suggested it ;) |
| 16:15.37 | SpeedEvil | It might give you accurate to within a bit over an order of magnitude - but I wouldn't rely on it for more than that. |
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| 16:18.38 | malsyned | Does FIC plan to come out with a 3G openmoko phone? |
| 16:19.01 | SpeedEvil | faq? |
| 16:19.01 | aloril | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) |
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| 16:19.19 | SpeedEvil | basically - first the software needs to work and be saleable. |
| 16:19.23 | ewon | indeed |
| 16:19.35 | malsyned | SpeedEvil: the only mention of 3G in the FAQ is "(No 3G in year 2007 models)" |
| 16:19.37 | ewon | speaking of hardware, I wonder who the customer was that bailed? |
| 16:19.43 | buz | supposedly GP2X is able to play mpeg4 |
| 16:19.51 | buz | and iirc htat one uses s3c2410 too |
| 16:19.54 | ewon | e.g. who the 1973 was originally designed for? |
| 16:19.58 | woglinde | buz are you sure? |
| 16:20.54 | SpeedEvil | malsyned: there are 5 or so global high speed alternative networks |
| 16:21.23 | SpeedEvil | malsyned: once the phone is up and sold as a mass market item - maybe the first 50000 sold, then we might see 3G ones. |
| 16:22.11 | buz | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?showtopic=22239 talks about xvid |
| 16:22.14 | malsyned | SpeedEvil: so as far as you know, they have no concrete plans in the works? |
| 16:22.28 | SpeedEvil | malsyned: As far as we know, no. |
| 16:22.46 | SpeedEvil | malsyned: the 3G modems are considerably more expensive than GSM ones. It may add $50-$100 to the price. |
| 16:23.11 | SpeedEvil | They have announced they will release information on more devices in october. |
| 16:23.16 | SpeedEvil | Some of these won't be phones. |
| 16:23.39 | buz | i'm guessing media players and stand alone gps |
| 16:23.41 | duffyd | looks like the comm mailing list is getting spammed by gmail addresses again :-( |
| 16:24.26 | SpeedEvil | A camera would be nice. |
| 16:24.26 | ckuethe | from gmail itself or just a joejob using random "@gmail.com" as the sender |
| 16:25.13 | malsyned | a camera would be nice. too bad the 1973's USB host isn't powered, or you could snap one on when you needed it. |
| 16:25.52 | SpeedEvil | I mean - a standalone camera. |
| 16:25.59 | SpeedEvil | No phone. |
| 16:26.26 | malsyned | oh, just a camera running OpenMoko? that'd be pretty neat. What kinds of features would you want to hack into it that don't come on conventional cameras? |
| 16:27.03 | SpeedEvil | Anything you can imagine. |
| 16:27.19 | malsyned | I'm asking: what do you imagine? |
| 16:27.24 | SpeedEvil | Plug in a USB network card, and you have a ultimately flexible webcam. |
| 16:27.34 | buz | The case is plastic and feels more like a toy than other internet-enabled handhelds like the Treo and the iPhone |
| 16:27.43 | buz | http://blog.wired.com/monkeybites/2007/07/hands-on-with-t.html |
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| 16:28.00 | SpeedEvil | Automatically capture pictures and print to bluetooth printers, ... |
| 16:28.29 | SpeedEvil | GPS stamping of location, ... |
| 16:28.47 | SpeedEvil | On wiki. |
| 16:28.53 | malsyned | GPS stamping of location is a real good one. |
| 16:28.54 | SpeedEvil | How do I link to a category from a page. |
| 16:29.12 | SpeedEvil | [[Category:Foo]] just adds the page to that category |
| 16:29.46 | dando | a camera option in an mobil phone is so embarrassing. With those tiny optic making shitty pictures |
| 16:29.50 | ScaredyCat | has anyone else noticed that on the mailing list all the people who want a camera, can't reply properly |
| 16:30.45 | ScaredyCat | has anyone else noticed that on the mailing list all the people (except 1) who want a camera, can't reply properly |
| 16:30.50 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 16:31.05 | Stephmw | you're surely not suggesting that only kids want a camera? |
| 16:31.13 | ScaredyCat | uhm..... |
| 16:31.20 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 16:31.36 | happycube | i thnk cam would b useful |
| 16:31.44 | happycube | seriously i would actually like a cam |
| 16:31.56 | Stephmw | ahh, that's not the same thing though |
| 16:32.13 | Stephmw | usecases on the Wiki are welcomed though :) |
| 16:32.28 | SpeedEvil | They are alrealdy there. |
| 16:32.38 | malsyned | When I first got my current phone, I figured I'd never use the camera. there have been times that I've been glad for the crappy little camera. it sucks for photography, but it's great when I want to document or remember something. |
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| 16:33.05 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Camera |
| 16:33.14 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 16:33.22 | SpeedEvil | 99% of the time, it can replace writing stuff down. |
| 16:33.58 | ScaredyCat | I'd quite like to have sex with the girl in the office opposite.. that's not going to happen either ;) |
| 16:34.14 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: that's not really usecases though... I want more meat on someone's "I wanna cam" cries |
| 16:34.17 | malsyned | right. the fidelity doesn't have to be there for every application, and the convenience of having a camera with essentially 0 volume is nothing to sneer at. |
| 16:34.22 | SpeedEvil | Stephmw: ah. |
| 16:34.40 | SpeedEvil | I'd trimmed the camera wishlist entry mercilessly when it was in the main hardware wishlist. |
| 16:34.52 | Stephmw | woops :) |
| 16:35.09 | Stephmw | but yeah, proper usecases means you can gauge the quality needs, there's all types out there |
| 16:36.01 | ScaredyCat | I do however think that there should be some sort of edge connector so that addons can be clipped on... one of those could be a camera, |
| 16:36.24 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: connectionless induction coupling for data and power? :D |
| 16:36.30 | SpeedEvil | Edge connectors are _hard_. |
| 16:36.57 | ScaredyCat | in other words, you can have your camera so long as I don;t have to... :) |
| 16:37.23 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: that's your challenge for this week :) |
| 16:37.43 | SpeedEvil | Robust, hard to damage, cheap, small footprint, ESD safe, large insertion count before failure. Pick any 3. |
| 16:38.11 | ScaredyCat | well, look at the ipod... |
| 16:38.51 | Stephmw | naah, the ipod doesn't see as much punishment a phone would |
| 16:39.07 | Stephmw | you don't put your keys in the ipod's pouch, right? |
| 16:39.13 | Stephmw | people do that with their phones |
| 16:39.14 | ScaredyCat | but you're not going to plug/unplug our camera all the time... |
| 16:39.41 | ScaredyCat | most with either have it or not... then all it needs is a cover for when nothing is plugged in |
| 16:39.46 | Stephmw | you can easily damage a connector without unplugging |
| 16:39.55 | ScaredyCat | the screen is going to be more of a worry there Stephmw |
| 16:40.05 | Stephmw | there's lots of complaints about the ipod's audio connector for instance... and that's a simple one |
| 16:40.38 | SpeedEvil | Connectors are _HARD_. |
| 16:41.23 | Stephmw | <SpeedEvil> _HARD_. |
| 16:41.28 | Stephmw | there :) |
| 16:41.39 | ScaredyCat | but possible |
| 16:41.51 | tuukkah | (SpeedEvil, [[:Category:Foo]]) |
| 16:42.03 | Stephmw | hard typically means expensive alas |
| 16:42.17 | ScaredyCat | and who the hell is wanting to take pictures of flowers?1 |
| 16:42.32 | ScaredyCat | i mean, we're geeks, we don't even go outside |
| 16:42.43 | SpeedEvil | tuukkah: yeah - worked that out. |
| 16:42.49 | Stephmw | haha |
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| 16:45.08 | JockeTF | Hello. |
| 16:45.38 | SpeedEvil | Hello! |
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| 16:52.31 | calamous_ | You know how some ISPs block port 25 to prevent spam, is that legal? |
| 16:52.48 | Kero | "legal" ? |
| 16:53.03 | calamous_ | yes |
| 16:53.08 | SpeedEvil | You sign a contract. |
| 16:53.09 | Kero | Is it according to your contract :) |
| 16:53.44 | calamous_ | So if a phone company wanted to make a contract that you could dial any number except those ending in 5 they could do that? |
| 16:54.16 | LittleIdiot | i never understood why they just don't block 137,139 and 445 so most of the worms can't get through in the first place... |
| 16:54.17 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 16:54.30 | SpeedEvil | calamous_: as long as it's spelled out in the contract. |
| 16:54.58 | SpeedEvil | calamous_: However, if the user is not _CLEARLY_ informed of this, then it may be invalid - in the UK under the unfair terms and contracts act. |
| 16:55.02 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: I understand. That makes me so mad that companies fuck with the internet. I wish there existed regulation for that |
| 16:57.19 | Dmitry_Platonov | calamous_, use ISP's SMTP |
| 16:58.09 | SpeedEvil | I'm of two minds in this. |
| 16:58.20 | SpeedEvil | Yes, blocking port 25 is bad. |
| 16:58.20 | calamous_ | Dmitry_Platonov: My port 25 works :). Its just that my friends don't. For practial reasons they should do that, but out of principle I dont want them telling people what they can and cant connect to |
| 16:58.24 | Dmitry_Platonov | or tunnel your smtp traffic |
| 16:58.45 | SpeedEvil | However, shitloads of machines spewing out spam over unblocked port 25 is worse. |
| 16:58.52 | SpeedEvil | botnetted machines |
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| 16:59.14 | SpeedEvil | Added use-cases. |
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| 16:59.31 | SpeedEvil | Stephmw[away] |
| 16:59.36 | ewanm89_laptop | A tunnel needs a machine with that port open. |
| 16:59.44 | SpeedEvil | No, it doesn't. |
| 16:59.45 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: What if they decided that IRC was bad and not only did they block its port they used layer7 protocol analyzers to figure out what was IRC and block it |
| 16:59.48 | SpeedEvil | It requires a VPN |
| 16:59.56 | don-o | SpeedEvil: the accelerometer in an insurance claim is an interesting use case. |
| 16:59.58 | SpeedEvil | calamous_: then you pick another provider. |
| 17:00.05 | SpeedEvil | And GPS. |
| 17:00.12 | SpeedEvil | I have GPS logs from my last car crash. |
| 17:00.18 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: in the US where I am I dont have many options |
| 17:00.21 | SpeedEvil | However, they reveal it to be totally my fault. |
| 17:00.50 | SpeedEvil | GPS logs could be of great use with defending against speeding convictions. |
| 17:00.53 | SpeedEvil | In theory. |
| 17:00.56 | ewanm89_laptop | Anyway, Hi guys |
| 17:01.04 | calamous_ | SpeedEvil: People are lucky here to even have the choice between the telephone monoploy's DSL and the cable monopoly's cable |
| 17:01.07 | Dmitry_Platonov | calamous_, they can not analyze ssh tunnels/ipsec |
| 17:02.08 | calamous_ | Dimetry_Platonov: thankfully this is true. but if they really wanted they could do a main in the middle if you did not know the ssl cert's key |
| 17:02.36 | calamous_ | Dimitry_Platonov: your ssh would just say the fingerprint has changed in cap letters |
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| 17:03.12 | calamous_ | But lets hope it never comes to that |
| 17:03.33 | Dmitry_Platonov | calamous_, it wold be considered illegal i think |
| 17:04.10 | calamous_ | Dimitry_Platonov: In the us under the bush admininstation there is no way of knowing |
| 17:04.20 | SiO2 | the phase2 phone has 3d acc. ? |
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| 17:04.53 | calamous_ | Considering that AT&T allows the NSA to analyze all of its data. and bush allowed warrentless wiretaps |
| 17:07.34 | Dmitry_Platonov | SiO2, possibly, will have. |
| 17:07.43 | SiO2 | thnx |
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| 17:20.24 | ScaredyCat | " <SpeedEvil> I have GPS logs from my last car crash." |
| 17:20.35 | ScaredyCat | you make it sound like a regular thing |
| 17:21.03 | ckuethe | what, you didn't know his day job is as a nascar driver? |
| 17:21.15 | SpeedEvil | Well - I've only had one. |
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| 17:21.48 | orospakr | SpeedEvil: what does the log look like? fast fast fast fast stop? |
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| 17:22.27 | SpeedEvil | 54MPH to 35 when I crossed the kerb. |
| 17:22.42 | orospakr | yikes. |
| 17:22.55 | Dmitry_Platonov | 10 years later we will have GPS receivers pre-installed, logging all our tracks/speeds. |
| 17:22.55 | SpeedEvil | Then rapidly decellerating over rough grass till I hit a barrier at 8MPH or so. |
| 17:23.03 | SpeedEvil | Which was quite enough to break the car. |
| 17:23.24 | orospakr | I'd imagine. |
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| 17:24.45 | Dmitry_Platonov | does receiver tracking was distuped when crash occured? does log shows signal strength? |
| 17:25.07 | SpeedEvil | Nope, was just fine. |
| 17:25.19 | SpeedEvil | Actual decelleration wasn't >brakes at any point. |
| 17:25.33 | SpeedEvil | The barrier was of the swing-away sort. |
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| 17:26.16 | SpeedEvil | And takes the GPS logger ) |
| 17:26.20 | SpeedEvil | (just repaired.) |
| 17:27.20 | Dmitry_Platonov | anybody tried to run their neo from AAs? |
| 17:28.02 | happycube | no but the aa->usb adapters should work |
| 17:29.28 | Elrond | Well, for the GTA01 you still need to have the internal battery installed. |
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| 17:31.21 | don-o | does GTA stand for something? |
| 17:31.32 | Qwell[] | mokobot: gta |
| 17:31.42 | Qwell[] | silly boy |
| 17:31.42 | calamous_ | don-o: Grant Theft Auto |
| 17:31.43 | Qwell[] | bot* |
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| 17:31.52 | calamous_ | don-o: lol |
| 17:31.58 | dando | http://www.frogpad.com/information/bluefroginfo.asp |
| 17:32.26 | Elrond | don-o - I still wonder, if it stands for anything. |
| 17:35.53 | dando | support of frogpad |
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| 17:46.58 | ferric | never. |
| 17:47.08 | ferric | FIC just went out of business. :P |
| 17:47.18 | ozark1 | What color did you order, hozer? |
| 17:47.21 | dando | :-P |
| 17:47.25 | dando | :P |
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| 17:51.56 | SpeedEvil | Brakes work :) |
| 17:52.47 | daxxar | Congratulations. :-) |
| 17:53.22 | dando | how many developer are working on openmoko project? |
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| 17:54.07 | SpeedEvil | Several. |
| 17:54.13 | hozer | ozark1: I didn't put a preference |
| 17:54.13 | dando | :) |
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| 17:55.06 | dando | what can i do to help on development? |
| 17:55.07 | aloril | Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (gives this link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ ) |
| 17:55.25 | SpeedEvil | dando: whatever you want! |
| 17:55.32 | jfreels | check out the source from svn and get crackin! |
| 17:56.04 | dando | i did that allready! |
| 17:56.17 | dando | i`m did a bugfix |
| 17:56.41 | dando | and loaded patch in bugzilla |
| 17:56.46 | woglinde | fine |
| 17:56.58 | dando | is it possible to get access on svn repository |
| 17:57.04 | dando | sorry |
| 17:57.10 | dando | writeing access |
| 17:59.02 | woglinde | hi stephmw |
| 17:59.04 | dando | Or let me ask this way ! who has writing permissions? employee |
| 17:59.09 | dando | employee only? |
| 17:59.16 | woglinde | no not at all |
| 17:59.38 | hozer | does anyone have a hg or git mirror of the repo? |
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| 18:00.33 | hozer | having to have svn commit access slows down people wanting to make speculative changes |
| 18:00.54 | Shoragan | hozer, use svk |
| 18:01.19 | dando | hozer: ok |
| 18:01.39 | hozer | svk is messy.. it's trying to put distributed functionality on top of a centralized system |
| 18:01.49 | Stephmw | hey woglinde |
| 18:02.28 | Shoragan | they are just using the storage layer of svn |
| 18:02.29 | Stephmw | hozer: it's a start |
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| 18:02.49 | _Qwerty_ | was the battery time 4 hours on the neo1973? |
| 18:03.46 | codyl | has anyone actually had their order processed ..? |
| 18:05.19 | _Qwerty_ | hehe thanks for the string :) |
| 18:05.44 | _Qwerty_ | hope its a mobile string :) |
| 18:06.51 | ewanm89_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.58 | SiO2 | _Qwerty_, no, this for woman ;) *arks* |
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| 18:07.38 | dando | we want a phone for man |
| 18:07.41 | ewanm89_laptop | Cause the length of that string is directly proportinal to the battery life of the neo. |
| 18:08.13 | Stephmw | exactly. |
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| 18:11.38 | _Qwerty_ | serously |
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| 18:12.27 | Frostshoc | hi everyone |
| 18:12.34 | Frostshoc | how do you listen to mp3s?.. through the usb? |
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| 18:13.12 | jfreels | I use a speaker and my ears |
| 18:13.51 | Stephmw | I use them to modulate the vibration |
| 18:13.52 | Frostshoc | connected to the usb port or through bluetooth? |
| 18:14.06 | Frostshoc | on the phone duh :P |
| 18:14.34 | jfreels | oh, I dunno...I have not gotten my phone working yet |
| 18:14.37 | jfreels | i'll report when I do |
| 18:14.50 | Frostshoc | well.. whats the plan, since theres a media player? |
| 18:15.57 | SpeedEvil | Frostshoc: tehre are speakers on the phone. |
| 18:16.03 | SpeedEvil | Frostshoc: or you can plug in headphones. |
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| 18:16.13 | SpeedEvil | Or use bluetooth phones |
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| 18:16.28 | jfreels | I don't see a standard headphone jack on the phone |
| 18:16.29 | SpeedEvil | s/ph/headp/ |
| 18:16.30 | Frostshoc | neither do i |
| 18:16.30 | SpeedEvil | there are none |
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| 18:16.40 | SpeedEvil | you plug an adaptor into the headset jack |
| 18:16.50 | jfreels | there isn't a jack.... |
| 18:16.57 | jfreels | oh wait |
| 18:16.58 | Frostshoc | theres only usb? |
| 18:17.01 | jfreels | nevermind....didn't notice it |
| 18:17.04 | jfreels | XD |
| 18:17.06 | SpeedEvil | There is a headset jack |
| 18:17.09 | Frostshoc | ok |
| 18:17.11 | jfreels | there is, on the left hand side of the device |
| 18:17.12 | SpeedEvil | opposite side to the USB jack. |
| 18:17.14 | jfreels | yep |
| 18:17.16 | jfreels | sry |
| 18:17.29 | dando | http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html |
| 18:17.37 | Frostshoc | one important criteria is to be able to listen to mp3s through regular headphones |
| 18:17.39 | dando | standard kit |
| 18:17.54 | dando | there should be a headset inkl. |
| 18:18.07 | SpeedEvil | Frostshoc: not 3.5mm ones, you need an adapter. |
| 18:18.20 | SpeedEvil | It's been stated that in the future, the intent is to have a 3.5mm connector. |
| 18:18.27 | Frostshoc | ok |
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| 18:18.42 | SpeedEvil | This won't be the next device though |
| 18:19.07 | Frostshoc | im amazed that so few people are involved in this |
| 18:19.16 | SpeedEvil | Frostshoc: what do you mean so few? |
| 18:19.42 | SpeedEvil | There are a few core people, but they are working in a _large_ company, which makes phones. |
| 18:19.52 | SpeedEvil | And then there are the rest of the non-employed devs. |
| 18:20.15 | Frostshoc | ok |
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| 18:21.16 | Frostshoc | aprox. how many developers in total? |
| 18:21.34 | Frostshoc | 20, 50, 100? |
| 18:22.07 | Stephmw | ;) |
| 18:22.15 | Frostshoc | hehe.. |
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| 18:22.29 | Frostshoc | shouldnt be that hard to estimate |
| 18:22.46 | Frostshoc | how many active accounds on the svn server? :) |
| 18:23.05 | Stephmw | svn-commit is in-house only, not for the public |
| 18:23.17 | Stephmw | so... how would you judge public developer numbers? |
| 18:23.33 | Frostshoc | they somehow have to submit the code? |
| 18:23.47 | jfreels | status/history on the repository |
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| 18:24.00 | jfreels | parse out the names and do a uniq |
| 18:24.54 | radiorental | trying to finish off the mokomakefile for the last two days, keep getting "make setup |
| 18:24.54 | radiorental | [ -e stamps/bitbake ] || \ |
| 18:24.54 | radiorental | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.54 | radiorental | svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.berlios.de': Connection timed out |
| 18:24.54 | radiorental | make: *** [setup-bitbake] Error 1 |
| 18:24.55 | radiorental | " any idea if I'm doing something wrong? |
| 18:25.30 | mbuf | can display resolution be set with qemu-system-arm so that it looks like landscape view? and hope GTK+ works on it? |
| 18:25.34 | radiorental | anyone else been able to svn bitbake? |
| 18:25.40 | SpeedEvil | Frostshoc: there have been figures released from mokomakefile |
| 18:25.50 | Frostshoc | SpeedEvil: ok |
| 18:25.53 | SpeedEvil | downloads of mokomakefile |
| 18:25.59 | SpeedEvil | by the author. |
| 18:26.05 | SpeedEvil | However, I've forgotten it. |
| 18:26.49 | mbuf | is there a stripped glibc in the openmoko distro? i require string operations. Is there lex and yacc, or are there any string parsers available? |
| 18:27.11 | gcb77 | radiorental: can you ping svn.berlios.de |
| 18:27.31 | SpeedEvil | awk is in there IIRC |
| 18:27.33 | radiorental | yup |
| 18:28.07 | radiorental | 6gcb77: 4 bytes from sheep.berlios.de (195.37.77.137): icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=98.9 ms |
| 18:28.51 | gcb77 | can you run the "svn co" command manually? |
| 18:29.38 | ozark1 | radiorental: Are you running make as root? Yesterday you were having permission issues on that directory. |
| 18:29.47 | ckuethe | berlios has issues sometimes. ;) |
| 18:30.44 | radiorental | permissions shouldnt affect svn access to bitbake... |
| 18:30.49 | dando | a stripped glibc !? why that? |
| 18:31.16 | mbuf | dando, string.h, stdio.h and others? |
| 18:31.22 | radiorental | I'll try running it manually, failign that, try again tomorrow - thanks all! |
| 18:32.08 | gcb77 | I ran it manually, and it was really slow to start but it worked |
| 18:32.19 | dando | so it dont has to be stripped! oe does it? |
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| 18:33.17 | radiorental | gcb77: again with the me not knowning sheit about anything much. How would I go about running the download manually and patch that in to the rest of the make? |
| 18:34.29 | alep1 | hi everyone |
| 18:34.48 | ozark1 | hi |
| 18:35.34 | dando | mbuf: im no super geek. dont worry just trying to uinderstand |
| 18:36.11 | dando | i thought glibc is the g++ lib so it should iclude iostream and so on ! |
| 18:36.16 | gcb77 | radiorental: I haven't done that either... I was just hoping it'd help you troubleshoot... maybe networking issues or so |
| 18:36.26 | dando | not stdio.h |
| 18:36.29 | alep1 | is there any of you that had been using MokoMakefile to get an openmoko-devel-image? |
| 18:36.44 | mbuf | alep1, yes |
| 18:36.55 | alep1 | because I'm having trouble with the last compilation |
| 18:36.57 | gcb77 | radiorental: I have a VMWare image with a system pre-configured with the makefile, and a configured dev environment |
| 18:37.00 | mbuf | alep1, on Debian Etch, everything occupies around 10G |
| 18:37.59 | radiorental | gcb77: oh ok, no worries, few people have commented on issues with berlios. There's a slim chance its a vpn issue here at work but svn works elsewhere so the port must be open. Will try again tomorrow, thanks... |
| 18:38.03 | alep1 | oh that's not the problem. it just won't compile because it says that something related to openmoko-rssreader and webkit fails |
| 18:38.36 | alep1 | this is after a "make update" |
| 18:39.45 | Shoragan | alep1, there were some chages to webkit and there are still some known problems |
| 18:41.28 | dando | tell me if im wrong a striped binary is a binray without symbols !? |
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| 18:44.41 | woglinde | dando not really |
| 18:44.43 | alep1 | dando, you're right |
| 18:44.48 | alep1 | jeje |
| 18:45.01 | dando | okay ; lol |
| 18:45.21 | woglinde | hm okay |
| 18:45.25 | dando | woglinde: what else? |
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| 18:45.32 | woglinde | no is right |
| 18:45.34 | woglinde | sorry |
| 18:45.58 | dando | a striped binary usually is smaller than an unstriped |
| 18:46.09 | woglinde | right |
| 18:46.38 | alep1 | stripped means just that the debugging symbols had been ripped off and the exe is smaller in size |
| 18:47.03 | dando | thats what i meant |
| 18:47.08 | dando | my englich is not so good |
| 18:47.13 | woglinde | dando man strip |
| 18:47.19 | woglinde | will probaly help you |
| 18:47.24 | dando | thx |
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| 18:48.07 | dando | A c++ applilation it can be up to 40 % size it shrinks |
| 18:48.38 | dando | At c applikation not so much |
| 18:48.40 | alep1 | any hint on my little issue on compiling the devel-image? |
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| 18:51.24 | woglinde | alep1 your error is know |
| 18:51.35 | woglinde | but dont know when it will befixed |
| 18:51.44 | woglinde | try to workt with SRCDATE |
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| 18:52.00 | woglinde | -> < stefan_schmidt> squalyl: You need to change SRCDATE_openmoko-rssreader = "now" from now to 20070722 e.g. |
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| 18:52.48 | alep1 | ok, let's try that |
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| 18:56.53 | XorA|gone | rtp: I found the problem with suspending with sound, but I cant officially work on it until later in the week |
| 18:57.43 | rtp | XorA|gone: heh. how come ? :)) |
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| 19:06.25 | *** topic/#openmoko is wiki.openmoko.org | Buy now for $300 from www.openmoko.com - Direct Link to Buy: https://direct.openmoko.com/ | Delivery unlikely before 2007-07-23 (phones are in the states, and will be delivered cheaply by UPS) | If you ordered early, reply YES_I_DO to confirmation email. (will not reply) |
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| 19:09.31 | blek | any explanations on the shipping delays? |
| 19:11.37 | jfreels | yes, the explanation was..."Units have not been shipped yet" |
| 19:11.47 | blek | that isn't an explanation |
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| 19:12.04 | jfreels | ha...it's about as good as it's gonna get. ;) |
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| 19:13.06 | blek | that's ridiculous. my card was charged 1 week ago. a little bit of customer relations would be good. |
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| 19:14.59 | alep1 | that SRCDATE_openmoko-rssreader thing didn't worked for me :-( |
| 19:15.24 | ozark1 | blek: this thread might answer some questions: |
| 19:15.26 | ozark1 | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/007765.html |
| 19:15.35 | alep1 | still can't compile openmoko-devel-image using MokoMakefile |
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| 19:16.43 | ScaredyCat | bnm |
| 19:17.16 | Elrond | mokobot does weird things |
| 19:18.05 | Elrond | Hmm, the RTC works fine on the neo... Now I need a bigish clock and I can use the neo as a watch replacement. ;o) |
| 19:18.12 | woglinde | lol |
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| 19:18.28 | sandos | haha |
| 19:18.40 | sandos | how visible is the screen with the backlight off? |
| 19:18.44 | dtx | I'll show you how weird of stuff mokobot does |
| 19:18.46 | sandos | ie. black/white stuff? |
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| 19:18.51 | Elrond | sandos - Not at all. |
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| 19:18.53 | mokobot | Please don't let this man torture me. |
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| 19:19.28 | Elrond | mokobot - I heard that thing already ;) |
| 19:19.33 | sandos | Elrond: seriously? both mine and gfs phone are capable of low-contrast display with not backlight |
| 19:19.42 | sandos | s/not/no/ |
| 19:19.58 | Elrond | sandos - Just black, nothing to see. |
| 19:20.28 | sandos | ok |
| 19:20.48 | sandos | that sounds like some sort power-saving feature... no? |
| 19:21.05 | sandos | I thought the LCD itself drew extremely little power though |
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| 19:21.46 | Elrond | the lcd itself is probably very power efficient. |
| 19:21.57 | Elrond | But it's produced in a way, that it only works with backlight on. |
| 19:22.01 | sandos | aha ok |
| 19:22.38 | alep1 | any of you have had the same problem? how did you solved it? |
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| 19:24.21 | Elrond | alep1 - I have used mokomakefile only for basic setup, after that I've only compiled specific .ipk |
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| 19:24.31 | dcordes | is there a list of available locales for the gui? |
| 19:24.49 | dcordes | a friend just asked me if he could get his neo with a german interface |
| 19:26.03 | woglinde | dcordes later sure |
| 19:26.18 | *** part/#openmoko ashnazg (n=ashnazg@38-99-98-18.v101.sjc.neovanglist.net) |
| 19:26.38 | mick_home | what is the diff between the advanced and base? |
| 19:26.39 | aloril | mick_home: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:27.00 | mick_home | ah - seems there is a FAQ :) |
| 19:27.01 | alep1 | Elrond, how do you do to compile an image for qemu or the neo itself? |
| 19:27.18 | Elrond | alep1 - I never did ;o) |
| 19:27.36 | Elrond | alep1 - My neo had an image installed, and now I only update packages. |
| 19:28.02 | dtx | apt: reverse hello esrever :tobokom |
| 19:28.08 | dtx | ah |
| 19:28.11 | dtx | still in place |
| 19:28.20 | ScaredyCat | ~reverse reverse |
| 19:28.22 | mokobot | esrever |
| 19:28.38 | alep1 | je...well, I'm not as lucky as you, and I don't have a Neo yet...have to play with qemu until I can get one |
| 19:28.40 | ScaredyCat | nuns nuns! |
| 19:28.40 | mick_home | how easy is it to brick it? (i'm wondering if i need to get the advanced) |
| 19:28.51 | dtx | oh no |
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| 19:29.16 | dtx | ~reverse blah esrever |
| 19:29.18 | mokobot | reverse halb |
| 19:29.31 | dtx | ~reverse blah esrever~ |
| 19:29.33 | mokobot | ~reverse halb |
| 19:29.46 | _llll_ | why so many bots in here? |
| 19:30.04 | ScaredyCat | ~can I has a tracking number |
| 19:30.05 | mokobot | No. |
| 19:30.09 | dtx | bill gates |
| 19:30.22 | Elrond | mick_home - If you don't touch u-boot, you should be able to recover from any problems. I don't have a debug board and didn't brick it for the months I have it now. |
| 19:30.22 | dtx | mokobot: bill gates |
| 19:30.23 | mokobot | it has been said that bill gates is in Hell. |
| 19:30.25 | ozark1 | _llll_: We're not listening to you. We know you're a bot. Nice try, though. |
| 19:30.31 | orospakr | ~I can has tracking number? |
| 19:30.31 | apt | You can has tracking number? |
| 19:30.35 | orospakr | heh. |
| 19:30.40 | mick_home | Elrond: thanks |
| 19:31.05 | mick_home | now i need to look at what will be in the GTA02 (is it worth waiting for) |
| 19:31.11 | ScaredyCat | surely the correct response is: tracking code not yours |
| 19:31.16 | mick_home | i don't care about faster cpu etc |
| 19:31.25 | dtx | ~help |
| 19:31.26 | dcordes | are there any plans on creating some eyecandy for the gui to make full benefit of the 2d/3d accerlator? |
| 19:31.50 | Elrond | mick_home - faster cpu, more flash, larger battery, accelerometers, wifi. |
| 19:31.51 | orospakr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.01 | alep1 | anyone knows when the GTA02 enters in production stage? |
| 19:32.03 | mick_home | oh wifi... that is worth the wait |
| 19:32.04 | ScaredyCat | so that _llll_, complete tard no? ;) |
| 19:32.56 | _llll_ | hilights still hilight me |
| 19:33.23 | ScaredyCat | highlights? |
| 19:33.26 | ScaredyCat | k |
| 19:33.31 | ScaredyCat | muppet |
| 19:33.32 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 19:33.41 | woglinde | alep1 before christmas |
| 19:33.47 | ScaredyCat | 2020 |
| 19:34.07 | Elrond | dcordes - You can write that software ;-) |
| 19:34.34 | mmazur | moko pr0n? |
| 19:35.13 | alep1 | I know october is the planned date to go massive, but I was hoping that it becomes available sooner than that |
| 19:35.29 | juri_ | so, whats the highest RT ticket to be confirmed charged yet? or confirmed shipped? :) |
| 19:35.51 | ScaredyCat | nothing is shipped afaik |
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| 19:37.06 | ynezz | ~p1 |
| 19:37.07 | mokobot | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 19:37.13 | ynezz | juri_: ^^^ |
| 19:37.53 | *** topic/#openmoko by daMaestro -> wiki.openmoko.org | Store: www.openmoko.com | Delivery unlikely before 2007-07-23 Read: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/007765.html |
| 19:38.44 | dtx | ~~ |
| 19:38.45 | apt | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
| 19:38.50 | dtx | ~ |
| 19:38.55 | dtx | ~~~~~ |
| 19:38.56 | apt | grrrr |
| 19:39.01 | dtx | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 19:39.07 | dtx | ~~ |
| 19:39.08 | apt | Every moment in which I'm called upon is torture. |
| 19:39.27 | dtx | ~~~ |
| 19:39.28 | apt | I HATE YOU, dtx!!! |
| 19:39.29 | ScaredyCat | ~lart dtx |
| 19:39.29 | apt | send killer squirrels to attack dtx |
| 19:39.53 | dtx | ~lart ScaredyCat |
| 19:39.53 | apt | takes out ScaredyCat with the trash |
| 19:40.14 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 19:40.33 | dtx | ~lart the president of the United States of America |
| 19:40.33 | apt | wallops the president of the United States of America with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 19:41.02 | dtx | I think those bots just committed a felony |
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| 19:41.22 | ScaredyCat | ~blame atx |
| 19:41.22 | apt | ACTION blames atx (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 19:41.26 | *** part/#openmoko alep1 (n=aleph@190.49.123.230) |
| 19:41.39 | ckuethe | yes, bow down to your new Canadian overlords |
| 19:41.52 | ScaredyCat | I for one welcome... |
| 19:42.32 | dtx | The Simpsons Movie? |
| 19:42.55 | ScaredyCat | jebus save me |
| 19:43.50 | dtx | I don't even believe in Jebus. |
| 19:43.53 | ScaredyCat | spider pig spider pig |
| 19:44.09 | dtx | ~simpsons |
| 19:44.10 | apt | [simpsons] a Yellow family consisting of Maggie, Lisa, Bart, Homer and Marge. They are comical in nature and very entertaining. in Australia they can be found on channel 10 at 6:00pm Weeknights |
| 19:44.20 | ScaredyCat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZM8VO9GCps |
| 19:44.30 | *** topic/#openmoko by daMaestro -> wiki.openmoko.org | Store: www.openmoko.com | Shipping unlikely before 2007-07-24 Read: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/007765.html |
| 19:44.31 | ScaredyCat | spider pig ^^ |
| 19:44.32 | daMaestro | lol |
| 19:44.39 | dtx | nice |
| 19:44.39 | dtx | ~family guy |
| 19:45.30 | dtx | I can't wait for that movie |
| 19:45.41 | daMaestro | ~pr0n |
| 19:45.54 | mokobot | dtx: stop playing. |
| 19:45.56 | daMaestro | how do i set a faq? |
| 19:46.25 | ewanm89_laptop | daMaestro: You mean a factoid? |
| 19:46.26 | ScaredyCat | where? |
| 19:46.40 | *** part/#openmoko taslack__ (n=taslack@umma081.dn66.umontana.edu) |
| 19:46.43 | ewanm89_laptop | ~Family Guy |
| 19:46.43 | mokobot | family guy is probably a cheap knock off of the Simpsons. |
| 19:46.45 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: a fact is <reply>some thing |
| 19:46.45 | daMaestro | sure |
| 19:46.45 | mokobot | okay, ScaredyCat |
| 19:47.01 | ewanm89_laptop | ~a fact is |
| 19:47.01 | ScaredyCat | ~a fact |
| 19:47.09 | ewanm89_laptop | ~a fact is |
| 19:47.16 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: a fact |
| 19:47.24 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: you llama |
| 19:47.27 | ynezz | buggy tcl :p |
| 19:47.30 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 19:47.33 | woglinde | hehe |
| 19:47.34 | dtx | ~family guy |
| 19:47.34 | apt | family guy is, like, the most redundantly boring cartoon on Earth which uses the same nonsensical flashback mechanism over and over to attain cheap laughs. |
| 19:47.35 | mokobot | [family guy] a cheap knock off of the Simpsons. |
| 19:47.46 | ScaredyCat | laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag |
| 19:47.50 | dtx | There we go |
| 19:48.13 | dtx | ~bush |
| 19:48.14 | apt | bush is, like, chick plumbing or the current president and potential dictator, or the guy that made stupidity fashionable. |
| 19:48.21 | dtx | haha |
| 19:48.23 | dtx | awesome |
| 19:48.54 | *** part/#openmoko orino (n=orino@84-74-193-140.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 19:48.56 | dtx | ~dick |
| 19:48.57 | apt | dick is, like, male genatalia, or Dessimat0r |
| 19:49.02 | dcordes | Elrond, no I can't with my level of knowledge. |
| 19:49.02 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: a fact is <reply>some thing |
| 19:49.03 | mokobot | ScaredyCat: i already had it that way |
| 19:49.07 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: a fact |
| 19:49.18 | ScaredyCat | mokodot: forcat a fact |
| 19:49.26 | mmazur | ~decider |
| 19:49.45 | dtx | ~colonoscopized |
| 19:49.50 | daMaestro | http://www.phonegg.com/compare/3/Apple-iPhone-vs-FIC-Neo1973.html |
| 19:49.52 | dtx | ~damn |
| 19:50.16 | dtx | ~dtx |
| 19:50.18 | ScaredyCat | mokodot: forgat a fact |
| 19:50.18 | ScaredyCat | mokodot: forget a fact |
| 19:50.18 | ScaredyCat | typling by character :/ |
| 19:50.19 | ScaredyCat | oh ffs... |
| 19:50.30 | ewanm89_laptop | lol |
| 19:50.47 | dtx | ~linux |
| 19:50.48 | apt | linux is probably the cure for cancer, AIDS and slavery to corporations |
| 19:50.49 | ozark1 | daMaestro: I like the little spider-web chart at the end. |
| 19:50.54 | dtx | ~AIDS |
| 19:50.55 | apt | aids are what ody has from having so much gay sex |
| 19:51.01 | dtx | ~ody |
| 19:51.02 | apt | i heard ody is kewl |
| 19:51.03 | ozark1 | What does it mean? |
| 19:51.07 | dtx | ~kewl |
| 19:51.07 | apt | hmm... kewl is zwampy |
| 19:51.09 | daMaestro | ozamosi, it is really cool |
| 19:51.13 | dtx | ~zwampy |
| 19:51.13 | apt | hmm... zwampy is gay |
| 19:51.17 | dtx | ~gay |
| 19:51.18 | apt | No, YOU'RE gay. |
| 19:51.22 | dtx | wow |
| 19:51.22 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 19:51.31 | dtx | That's awesome |
| 19:51.48 | ScaredyCat | you're been botfucked |
| 19:51.49 | ewanm89_laptop | ~linux |
| 19:51.49 | apt | hmm... linux is the cure for cancer, AIDS and slavery to corporations |
| 19:51.50 | mokobot | i heard linux is the cure for the world. |
| 19:52.03 | dtx | ~common cold |
| 19:52.08 | dtx | aaahh |
| 19:52.20 | dtx | ~cancer |
| 19:52.21 | apt | i guess cancer is cigarettes |
| 19:52.28 | dtx | ~cigarettes |
| 19:52.29 | apt | cigarettes are good god damnit. |
| 19:52.33 | dtx | ~god |
| 19:52.34 | apt | god is, like, a llama, or real unless declared integer |
| 19:52.39 | dtx | ~llama |
| 19:52.39 | apt | from memory, llama is the incarnation of god on earth, or http://images2.jokaroo.net/flash/llamasong.swf |
| 19:52.47 | dtx | ~earth |
| 19:52.48 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, earth is mostly harmless, or the 3rd rock from the sun |
| 19:52.55 | dtx | ~sun |
| 19:52.56 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, sun is starting to "sneak" it's way towards the horizon... a mass of incandescent gas, a gigantic nuclear furnace |
| 19:53.03 | dtx | ~nuclear |
| 19:53.04 | apt | ACTION drops a nuclear bomb on $1's home! |
| 19:53.10 | dtx | ~home |
| 19:53.11 | apt | [home] that place we never get to go to. |
| 19:53.18 | dtx | ~place |
| 19:53.24 | dtx | wow |
| 19:53.27 | dtx | That took a while |
| 19:53.44 | juri_ | ok, the botting is starting to get annoying. |
| 19:53.56 | dtx | ~apologize |
| 19:53.57 | apt | ACTION apologizes to dtx |
| 19:54.17 | ScaredyCat | flange |
| 19:54.35 | dtx | So anyways |
| 19:54.50 | ScaredyCat | shipping |
| 19:54.54 | dtx | Why is it taking so long for everybody to get their hardware? |
| 19:55.22 | ScaredyCat | because they only have 1 small child to do al the work? |
| 19:55.52 | dtx | I see |
| 19:55.57 | dtx | Limit of 1 slave / corporation over there? |
| 19:56.13 | loufoque | daMaestro: what a crappy comparison |
| 19:56.25 | ScaredyCat | no, they just didn't plan ahead, so only paid for one.. |
| 19:56.45 | dtx | hmm |
| 19:56.56 | loufoque | daMaestro: how can they even judge the telephone ergonomics and usability when it wasn't even released? Plus it's not even justified |
| 19:57.11 | dtx | Man I'm too old to be wanting to wait til October to buy one of these things |
| 19:57.19 | daMaestro | loufoque, it seems very automagic |
| 19:57.24 | don-o | whatever the delay is, its a double-fault to not keep us informed of the shipment status |
| 19:57.31 | dtx | yea |
| 19:57.34 | ozark1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.35 | ScaredyCat | ergonomics and usability are so subjective anyway |
| 19:57.39 | dtx | very irresponsible |
| 19:57.47 | daMaestro | http://www.phonegg.com/compare/11/Nokia-E90-vs-Motorola-RAZR2-V9.html look at the Ergonomics ... the smaller device wins |
| 19:58.02 | don-o | its been happening all year. |
| 19:58.32 | dtx | Of course you should also keep in mind that FIC probably is not designed for selling direct to the consumer |
| 19:58.56 | ScaredyCat | and that's an excuse because... ? |
| 19:59.17 | dtx | Cuz that's what they are doing. |
| 19:59.20 | ozark1 | ScaredyCat: It's not an excuse. It's a reality. |
| 19:59.25 | buz | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8414805369.html *droool* |
| 19:59.34 | buz | cortex a8 and g3 |
| 19:59.49 | ozark1 | You can always go and buy one of the other open-source iFones on the market. :-) |
| 19:59.55 | ScaredyCat | ozark1: no, it's used as an excuse for why FIC is taking so long |
| 20:00.38 | don-o | ozark1: oh thats cold! :) |
| 20:00.40 | ozark1 | ScaredyCat: I'm just saying, even if they don't use it as an excuse, it obvious that FIC is not designed for selling direct to the consumer. |
| 20:01.05 | dtx | Yes it is |
| 20:01.07 | dtx | obvious |
| 20:01.14 | don-o | Sean and Mickey are supposed to be these died-in-the-wool open source developers. |
| 20:01.15 | ozark1 | They are clearly incompetent at selling direct to the consumer. |
| 20:01.16 | ScaredyCat | very |
| 20:01.18 | dtx | And it sucks |
| 20:01.20 | dtx | :-P |
| 20:01.25 | don-o | im convinced FIC is telling them to stay quiet |
| 20:01.34 | don-o | some kind of asian shame thing to talk about why there are delays |
| 20:01.37 | buz | i dont see why they didnt outsource selling |
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| 20:01.46 | dando | lol |
| 20:01.53 | denis^da | re |
| 20:01.54 | dtx | I don't see why this is really that hard |
| 20:02.03 | happycube | i feel like i ordered a woot being sent by smartpost |
| 20:02.04 | ynezz | how you can ship devices not even made? |
| 20:02.05 | ozark1 | don-0: Does the neo come preloaded with asian shame? |
| 20:02.13 | ScaredyCat | http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4018299974.html |
| 20:02.21 | dtx | I've whipped up automated order processing / credit card processing / shipping calculation in a lot less time than this |
| 20:02.23 | don-o | ozark1: groan. |
| 20:02.28 | dtx | and this is a simple 1 product line |
| 20:02.32 | dtx | how hard could that be |
| 20:02.50 | ynezz | it's easy if you have devices on stock :) |
| 20:03.06 | ynezz | i think they're still waiting for neos to land in US |
| 20:03.18 | SuN | It's all just an elaborate hoax. |
| 20:03.20 | SuN | There is no Neo. |
| 20:03.27 | ynezz | they're just playing for time now I think |
| 20:03.31 | don-o | ynezz: shippment 1, of 500 phones, is supposedly in Fremont, CA |
| 20:03.41 | ynezz | have you seen them? :p |
| 20:03.42 | ozark1 | And I ordered orange, so mine will be in the "next" shipment. |
| 20:03.45 | don-o | ynezz: so they are in the US and they have 'cleared customs' |
| 20:03.50 | ynezz | sure |
| 20:03.53 | gcb77 | Not a hoax... there's at least white boxes with labels somewhere... saw it on youtube |
| 20:03.57 | ynezz | if you believe them :) |
| 20:03.59 | ozark1 | They had pcitures of boxes somewhere. |
| 20:04.05 | SuN | They're faked! |
| 20:04.09 | ScaredyCat | there are only 2 neos |
| 20:04.17 | ScaredyCat | and they are made from paper |
| 20:04.21 | ozark1 | I think I saw John Glenn holding one. |
| 20:04.21 | SuN | Or in other words.. "I saw a car turn into a robot on youtube" ;) |
| 20:04.24 | jeddy3 | i have pictures of boxes here at home |
| 20:04.27 | don-o | lol@ozark1 |
| 20:05.53 | dtx | I want the frickin' Neo that I paid for. |
| 20:05.58 | dtx | Before I pay for it, I mean. |
| 20:06.03 | Frostshoc | its amazing that openmoko has the best looking linux GUI.. hehe |
| 20:06.12 | jeddy3 | :) |
| 20:06.19 | ozark1 | I want to pay for the neo that I ordered. |
| 20:06.30 | ynezz | and slowest also :) |
| 20:06.30 | ozark1 | I thought the GUI was a little confuzzling. |
| 20:06.32 | don-o | Frostshoc: you like it? i think its only 'average' |
| 20:06.43 | *** join/#openmoko inz_ (i=inz@maemo-hackers.org) |
| 20:06.44 | ozark1 | It took me a few minutes to figure out how to close the apps. |
| 20:06.46 | Frostshoc | don-o: know any good looking themes for gnome or kde? |
| 20:06.59 | don-o | the open moko logo in the corner acting as a Windows Start menu rubs me the wrong way. |
| 20:07.13 | don-o | Frostshoc: not really. im happy with the ubuntu stock theme |
| 20:07.34 | ynezz | i like it also |
| 20:07.50 | don-o | im thinking no X, a direct framebuffer implementation of an iphone-like interface will be popular. |
| 20:08.02 | don-o | and fast, if not very expandable. |
| 20:08.06 | ScaredyCat | it's brown |
| 20:08.16 | ScaredyCat | tinyx ? |
| 20:08.54 | Frostshoc | does the neo have a IMEI? |
| 20:09.07 | don-o | Frostshoc: its a GSM phone, so yes |
| 20:09.16 | Frostshoc | is it possible to change it? :) |
| 20:10.32 | don-o | try #gsm-warez |
| 20:11.16 | ScaredyCat | http://www.handhelds.org/minihowto/building-x.html |
| 20:11.21 | Frostshoc | just woundering |
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| 20:12.13 | ynezz | wonder what carriers would think if you have different IMEI for each call |
| 20:12.43 | ozark1 | Frostshoc: IIRC changin an IMEI is illegal (in some places) |
| 20:13.14 | Frostshoc | ok.. i bet there will be such programs though |
| 20:13.17 | ScaredyCat | s/some/most/ |
| 20:13.29 | Frostshoc | and SIM copying programs |
| 20:13.34 | don-o | Frostshoc: my guess is the IMEI is burned into the gsm module |
| 20:13.42 | ozark1 | The idea being that the IMEI of stolen phones is blocked by all carriers. |
| 20:13.51 | ckuethe | fried of mine indicated that certain motorola phones had the IMEI burned into some critical chip with a laser/ion beam. can't change it at all |
| 20:13.55 | *** join/#openmoko test (n=test@server2k3.terragotech.com) |
| 20:14.19 | dtx | test: hello |
| 20:14.23 | dtx | :-P |
| 20:14.33 | Frostshoc | i think most phones can change their IMEI |
| 20:14.37 | dtx | ~lart test |
| 20:14.37 | apt | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, test!" and lops off test's head |
| 20:14.42 | ozark1 | More bots, dtx? |
| 20:14.48 | ynezz | pls no |
| 20:14.50 | dtx | na |
| 20:15.00 | ynezz | it's 22 o' |
| 20:15.02 | dtx | at least not that I know of |
| 20:15.13 | ynezz | childs have to go to bed |
| 20:15.23 | dtx | ynezz you live in Eastern Europe? |
| 20:15.38 | ynezz | no, Jamaica |
| 20:15.47 | ScaredyCat | only 13:11 in ca... |
| 20:15.55 | ScaredyCat | 15:30 s ups cutoff |
| 20:16.00 | dtx | Only 15:15 in Oklahoma |
| 20:16.01 | ozark1 | Isn't it 4:15 in Jamaica? |
| 20:16.02 | don-o | 13:15 here in portland |
| 20:16.02 | dtx | :-P |
| 20:16.44 | ScaredyCat | shouldn't that be... Oooooooooklahoma where.. |
| 20:17.19 | dtx | ... the shotgun fires straight up singer's asshole!! |
| 20:17.24 | dtx | yes |
| 20:17.25 | dtx | That place |
| 20:17.33 | dtx | ;-) |
| 20:17.43 | juri_ | dtx: stuck in OK, eh? |
| 20:18.01 | *** join/#openmoko Risto (n=christop@p508CE5EE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:18.03 | ScaredyCat | not Ok in OK |
| 20:18.21 | dtx | Yes |
| 20:18.23 | ozark1 | I'm glad I can keep this window open at work. |
| 20:18.31 | dtx | Don't blame ya |
| 20:18.48 | dtx | OK is like the slums of the U.S. |
| 20:18.53 | dtx | IMO |
| 20:18.56 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 20:19.04 | dtx | Not violence wise |
| 20:19.08 | dtx | But income wise at least |
| 20:19.16 | ScaredyCat | AL |
| 20:19.35 | *** part/#openmoko Risto (n=christop@p508CE5EE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:19.37 | *** join/#openmoko Risto (n=christop@p508CE5EE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:19.59 | ynezz | am I only one who receives duplicate posts on mailing lists? |
| 20:20.02 | test | anyone else hate opensuse? |
| 20:20.08 | don-o | ynezz: yes. |
| 20:20.12 | dtx | Wow, a bird just slammed into my office window. Thats worth putting in my blog. |
| 20:20.13 | don-o | ynezz: :) |
| 20:20.17 | dtx | BoringOK.com |
| 20:20.20 | ScaredyCat | sometimes ynezz |
| 20:20.31 | ScaredyCat | jfreels: no |
| 20:20.35 | ScaredyCat | :S |
| 20:20.51 | ynezz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.37 | *** join/#openmoko tyler_ (n=tyler@S010600195bd5cfe1.ok.shawcable.net) |
| 20:21.42 | tyler_ | hello |
| 20:21.42 | dtx | ~ reverse Am I the only one who keeps getting duplicate messages in IRC? esrever~ |
| 20:21.44 | mokobot | ~reverse ?CRI ni segassem etacilpud gnitteg speek ohw eno ylno eht I mA |
| 20:21.44 | ScaredyCat | dtx: I think you need to just shoot yourself now... |
| 20:21.55 | *** join/#openmoko ewanm89 (n=ewanm89@host81-159-22-129.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) |
| 20:22.00 | *** join/#openmoko ewanm89 (n=ewanm89@host81-159-22-129.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) |
| 20:22.07 | ckuethe | that would be the silly bots obeying commands |
| 20:22.24 | dtx | eh |
| 20:22.25 | tyler_ | Umm, is this where I would get some help with the MokoMakefile? |
| 20:22.28 | *** join/#openmoko ewanm89 (n=ewanm89@host81-159-22-129.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) |
| 20:22.33 | dtx | sure |
| 20:22.40 | ScaredyCat | mokobot ignores apt apt doesn;t ignore mokobot |
| 20:22.42 | dtx | ~MokoMakefile |
| 20:22.43 | mokobot | i heard mokomakefile is an automted method for downloading, updated, and compiling the latest openmoko code. |
| 20:22.56 | dtx | That's not very helpful |
| 20:23.16 | ozark1 | tyler_: or you could just watch people play with their bots. :-) |
| 20:23.19 | tyler_ | it is, however, it seems to have issues trying to use git, in trying to download from "git pull git://www.denx.de/git/u-boot.git/ " |
| 20:23.35 | Frostshoc | ~teardrop |
| 20:23.51 | Frostshoc | bah.. dosnt work.. hehe |
| 20:23.56 | juri_ | ok, the bot is annoying me. ;) |
| 20:23.58 | dtx | Do you have git, monotone, svn, bitbake installed? |
| 20:24.14 | dtx | And a build environment? |
| 20:24.24 | ewanm89_laptop | Yeah, it's apt fault if mokobot sets it into a infinite loop. |
| 20:24.34 | tyler_ | I do. I followed all of the instructions, it just says that "fatal: corrupted pack file .git/objects/pack/pack-a146bcbc18f4826d6bf2a7f63be5dd77bbb5b2f5.pack |
| 20:24.34 | tyler_ | " |
| 20:24.44 | dtx | ewanm89: I think that would be impossible without another bot |
| 20:25.17 | ewanm89_laptop | dtx: By rights it should be. |
| 20:25.18 | dtx | 'df'? |
| 20:25.31 | ScaredyCat | tyler_: check your git version |
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| 20:25.38 | *** join/#openmoko mib_force (i=MisterT@2001:1638:17a5:0:0:0:0:20) |
| 20:25.55 | dtx | You have plenty of disk space? |
| 20:26.34 | tyler_ | "git version 1.4.1" |
| 20:26.46 | tyler_ | let me check on the disk space issue... |
| 20:27.13 | ScaredyCat | update your git |
| 20:27.17 | ScaredyCat | too old |
| 20:27.19 | mick_home | are there nightly qemu images? |
| 20:27.31 | tyler_ | ah, thanks scaredycat. And I have plenty of disk space |
| 20:27.33 | ruoso | is there any way of getting the status of the order? |
| 20:27.39 | ScaredyCat | git version 1.5.2.2 |
| 20:27.50 | ScaredyCat | so 1.5 or > |
| 20:27.53 | *** join/#openmoko inz (i=inz@maemo-hackers.org) |
| 20:28.31 | tyler_ | and infinite loops can happen with only one bot, if you don't code it to ignore its own output. |
| 20:31.25 | dtx | Right |
| 20:31.36 | dtx | But bots usually ignore their own output just because of that |
| 20:32.07 | dando | how comes that some IDE`s dont use real tabstops? |
| 20:32.08 | dtx | Also infinite loops without a looping construct requires some form of variable expansion or recursive decompression/decoding |
| 20:32.22 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@141.80-202-161.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:32.39 | dtx | Because real tab stops are usually impossible to tell from sequences of real spaces. |
| 20:32.41 | ScaredyCat | or the ability to kill users like dtx |
| 20:32.44 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 20:33.09 | dtx | I see how it is ScaredyCat |
| 20:33.15 | dtx | :-P |
| 20:33.33 | dando | are u sure @ dtx? |
| 20:34.26 | *** join/#openmoko docdoc (n=timoteus@d515323B9.access.telenet.be) |
| 20:35.10 | dando | it depends on editor how big the tabstop is ! but some ides use a sequence or spaces |
| 20:35.26 | ScaredyCat | ynezz: yes, getting dupes |
| 20:35.53 | tyler_ | arg, now bb throws an error when using git |
| 20:36.49 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 20:37.16 | dtx | tyler_: are you behind a firewall or proxy? |
| 20:37.17 | dando | a tab is not a sequence of spaces ! |
| 20:37.34 | dtx | a tab is not a sequence of spaces, but it looks that way |
| 20:37.39 | tyler_ | ah, now I see the issue. git was replaced with the GNU Interactive tools... |
| 20:38.21 | dando | if you tell youre editor that his tabstopwidth = 0 it doesnt look like a sequence of spaces ;) |
| 20:38.29 | ozark1 | Sign #4 of the apacolypse: we run out of TLAs. |
| 20:39.02 | tyler_ | whats #1? |
| 20:39.18 | dtx | KFC goes Trans Fat Free. |
| 20:39.20 | ScaredyCat | 4 horsemen stop outside your house |
| 20:39.20 | ozark1 | Tabstops being replaced by spaces. |
| 20:39.42 | dtx | tyler_: I'm assuming you are using Ubuntu |
| 20:39.44 | juri_ | ozark1 wins. :) |
| 20:39.45 | ScaredyCat | all at the same time |
| 20:39.58 | dtx | haha |
| 20:40.25 | dando | ozarkl: yes. some cheap editors do that |
| 20:40.31 | tyler_ | well, mepis technically. I've just downloaded the .deb package for git-core |
| 20:40.46 | tyler_ | and now, need to find and install the dependencies, since mepis sucks with repos *sighs* |
| 20:40.59 | dtx | Isn't it just based on Ubuntu? |
| 20:41.52 | tyler_ | kind of, with some debian repos thrown in, and their own. |
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| 20:45.50 | gcb77 | Any guidelines on how data should be stored? |
| 20:47.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 657 has been created by rodolphe.ortalo(AT)free.fr |
| 20:47.02 | cdbot2 | * * finger wheel does not show at the right position |
| 20:47.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=657 |
| 20:48.11 | *** part/#openmoko Risto (n=christop@p508CE5EE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:50.28 | tyler_ | YES! It works. Thanks for the help guys! |
| 20:50.55 | *** join/#openmoko Giff (n=derek@ip67-95-250-110.z250-95-67.customer.algx.net) |
| 20:51.12 | dtx | ~ubuntu |
| 20:51.12 | apt | [ubuntu] for noobs |
| 20:51.20 | dtx | ~mepis |
| 20:51.48 | woglinde | ~cantconfiguredebian |
| 20:51.53 | woglinde | hm |
| 20:52.33 | dtx | ~woglinde |
| 20:52.41 | dtx | ~debian |
| 20:52.42 | apt | from memory, debian is a free software GNU/Linux distribution. Debian 3.1 contains KDE 3.3.2 |
| 20:52.47 | Marex-notebook | ubuntu = african word for "I cant install debian" |
| 20:52.58 | woglinde | marex configure |
| 20:53.01 | compbrain | Marex-notebook: hey now |
| 20:53.04 | compbrain | no cheap shots |
| 20:53.13 | Marex-notebook | O:-) |
| 20:54.21 | dtx | ~Debian is American word for envious of African child's (Ubuntu) large penis size and ease of use. |
| 20:54.22 | apt | ACTION tells is American word for envious of African child's (Ubuntu) large penis size and ease of use. to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
| 20:54.22 | mokobot | dtx: okay |
| 20:54.45 | tyler_ | ... |
| 20:54.57 | dtx | ~Debian |
| 20:54.57 | apt | from memory, debian is a free software GNU/Linux distribution. Debian 3.1 contains KDE 3.3.2 |
| 20:54.58 | mokobot | debian is, like, American word for envious of African child's (Ubuntu) large penis size and ease of use. |
| 20:55.14 | dtx | ~bored |
| 20:55.14 | apt | La ... lalalala ... beer! |
| 20:55.16 | ScaredyCat | ~dtx |
| 20:55.17 | mokobot | A seriously annoying gimp. |
| 20:55.18 | Ganneff | could you stop playing with poor bots? |
| 20:55.46 | tyler_ | see you guys later, and be nice to the poor bots |
| 20:56.01 | dtx | ~scaredycat |
| 20:56.02 | mokobot | Can I has a openmoko? |
| 20:56.08 | dtx | I see |
| 20:56.10 | ScaredyCat | No, |
| 20:56.22 | Frostshoc | ~eggdrop? |
| 20:56.22 | apt | hmm... eggdrop is The Leading Brand of irc bot. It's scripted with TCL, current in 2.0.0 (though 1.3.28 is the version of choice), and can be found at ftp://raistlin.toledolink.com/pub/eggdrop or sucks compared to a real bot such as myself or 1.3.28 is pretty stable, but nifty |
| 20:57.27 | dtx | ~asshole |
| 20:57.28 | apt | I don't have one of those, i'm a bot. |
| 20:57.28 | mokobot | from memory, asshole is synonymous with ScaredyCat. |
| 20:57.35 | dtx | haha |
| 20:57.56 | ScaredyCat | ~forget dtx he's a waste of space |
| 20:57.56 | apt | ScaredyCat: i didn't have anything called 'dtx he's a waste of space' to forget |
| 20:57.57 | mokobot | i didn't have anything called 'dtx he's a waste of space' to forget, ScaredyCat |
| 20:58.19 | ScaredyCat | sqw |
| 20:58.38 | dtx | ~peace |
| 20:58.42 | dtx | nothin. |
| 20:59.31 | dando | im a bot too |
| 20:59.55 | dando | dtx is the only human here |
| 20:59.59 | Frostshoc | ~seen dando |
| 21:00.04 | apt | dando is currently on #openmoko. Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 9s, last said: 'dtx is the only human here'. |
| 21:00.04 | mokobot | dando is currently on #openmoko (11h 12m 59s). Has said a total of 50 messages. Is idling for 4s, last said: 'dtx is the only human here'. |
| 21:00.34 | dando | ;) |
| 21:00.40 | dando | =) |
| 21:00.46 | calamous_ | Anyone know of any shipping new? |
| 21:00.47 | Frostshoc | eggdrop is oldschool! :) |
| 21:01.03 | ewanm89_laptop | Um, apt_ is a little wrong. |
| 21:01.10 | ScaredyCat | calamous_: nothing, still |
| 21:01.27 | ewanm89_laptop | ~seen hrw |
| 21:01.28 | apt | hrw <n=hrw@ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 4h 17m 21s ago, saying: 'bye'. |
| 21:01.28 | mokobot | hrw <n=hrw@ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 6h 41m 40s ago, saying: 'CoreDump|home: you are on angstrom-devel?'. |
| 21:01.53 | calamous_ | ScaredyCat: If i knew it would take this long i would not have paid for next day shipping |
| 21:02.00 | dtx | dtx: reverse what the hell |
| 21:02.00 | dtx | lleh eht tahw |
| 21:02.04 | calamous_ | ScaredyCat: Whats the difference between 16 and 18 days. lol |
| 21:02.07 | ScaredyCat | yeah I know the feeling calamous_ |
| 21:02.09 | dando | XD |
| 21:02.14 | dando | ^^ lol |
| 21:02.30 | Frostshoc | anyone here played ChaosMUD? |
| 21:02.34 | dtx | ~status of orders |
| 21:03.06 | woglinde | no only german avalon mud |
| 21:03.16 | SpeedEvil | Frostshoc: _long_long_long_ time ago. And only for minutes. |
| 21:03.38 | woglinde | hehe |
| 21:03.56 | Frostshoc | SpeedEvil: hehe |
| 21:04.19 | Frostshoc | SpeedEvil: would be nostalgic to get hold of a copy of it though.. trying to get in contact with Josef Hall |
| 21:04.53 | ewanm89_laptop | I played shadows of isildar for a bit. |
| 21:05.56 | Frostshoc | i have to port DikuMUD/CircleMUD to openmoko.. how cool wouldnt that be? :) |
| 21:06.14 | Frostshoc | a mud server on a gprs line.. hehe |
| 21:07.02 | XorA|gone | Frostshoc: please do, I used to play MUD all the time |
| 21:07.19 | SpeedEvil | The GPRS LAG HITS! |
| 21:07.31 | ewanm89_laptop | A MUD just uses telnet, so. |
| 21:07.31 | woglinde | hihi |
| 21:07.49 | Frostshoc | tintin++ would get higher priority |
| 21:08.04 | dtx | ~MUD |
| 21:08.05 | apt | methinks mud is MultiUser Dungeon |
| 21:08.09 | woglinde | hm I wonder how the igh the correlation mud player ~ opensource developer is |
| 21:08.15 | woglinde | args |
| 21:09.22 | Frostshoc | perhaps i should do something useful for openmoko.. port something or make something new |
| 21:09.35 | SpeedEvil | xeyes! |
| 21:09.44 | SpeedEvil | Look at the finger! |
| 21:09.48 | Frostshoc | HAHA |
| 21:09.59 | dando | xeyes, lol |
| 21:10.12 | ozark1 | SpeedEvil: If my neo doesn't come with xeyes, I'm returning it. |
| 21:10.18 | ozark1 | I thought it was in the base install! |
| 21:10.27 | Frostshoc | nethack? |
| 21:10.30 | SpeedEvil | It probably is. |
| 21:10.35 | guerby | counter |
| 21:10.36 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-21 06:20) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 75% in a day 19:24:42 (1.809±1.8 days) (1775;251) |
| 21:10.38 | SpeedEvil | nethack is trivial - with an external keyb |
| 21:10.42 | pH5 | nethack is no fun without keyboard |
| 21:10.47 | SpeedEvil | With the touchscreen - pain. |
| 21:10.58 | pH5 | SpeedEvil: yes :) |
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| 21:11.24 | SpeedEvil | Playing it seriously _requires_ exact movement |
| 21:11.29 | SpeedEvil | at least at times. |
| 21:11.34 | Frostshoc | true |
| 21:11.41 | Frostshoc | ncurses then? |
| 21:11.43 | ScaredyCat | cheese |
| 21:14.59 | dtx | We need to port FlightGear to this puppy |
| 21:15.33 | dtx | With the Atlas Map/GPS extension, you could fly around where you are and see where stuff is |
| 21:15.34 | woglinde | lol |
| 21:15.42 | dtx | good times |
| 21:17.34 | ewanm89_laptop | ~mud |
| 21:17.35 | apt | i guess mud is MultiUser Dungeon |
| 21:17.35 | mokobot | MUD players are said to be ~opensource developers |
| 21:17.49 | ewanm89_laptop | Much better. |
| 21:17.51 | dtx | ~opensource developers |
| 21:18.05 | dtx | ~mud |
| 21:18.06 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, mud is MultiUser Dungeon |
| 21:18.06 | mokobot | MUD players are said to be ~opensource developers |
| 21:18.17 | dtx | Just making sure ole' mokobot ain't ignoring |
| 21:18.26 | woglinde | hihi |
| 21:18.38 | ScaredyCat | I think they *need* to ignore you dtx |
| 21:19.06 | ewanm89_laptop | ~opensource developers |
| 21:19.07 | mokobot | ~MUD players |
| 21:19.21 | dtx | Probably, but then when I get on here and start asking all those already mentioned questions I wouldn't be able to just ask a bot |
| 21:19.33 | dtx | And there would be much annoyance |
| 21:19.54 | ScaredyCat | naaa, we' just get an op to gline you |
| 21:20.33 | ewanm89_laptop | dtx: Do you want me to make mokobot ignore you? |
| 21:20.33 | dtx | But I'm a helpful productive member of this community |
| 21:20.42 | dtx | Nah |
| 21:20.54 | ewanm89_laptop | dtx: Don't tempt me then. |
| 21:21.32 | dtx | Personally, I don't really see why anybody really cares much about the whole "messing with the bots" thing. Its not like many people here even have a Neo yet, and when people ask questions I try to answer also. |
| 21:21.48 | SpeedEvil | Once is arguably funny. |
| 21:21.53 | SpeedEvil | Twice - ok. |
| 21:21.59 | SpeedEvil | More than that gets boring. |
| 21:22.05 | SpeedEvil | IMO |
| 21:22.41 | ScaredyCat | repeatedly requires a spanking with a shovel |
| 21:23.15 | ewanm89_laptop | dtx: Just remember most of us have done it enough before, and I really should make mokobot ignore you for that nasty rot13 attack with apt. |
| 21:23.17 | dtx | Hey I'll stop messing with 'em. That's fine, just didn't seem like much was going on anyways. |
| 21:23.45 | ScaredyCat | yeah... you big wuss |
| 21:23.48 | ewanm89_laptop | dtx: Add factoids use them for what they exist for. |
| 21:24.12 | dtx | I've done a lot of those ;-) |
| 21:24.14 | ewanm89_laptop | Add the odd humerous one to lighten the mood. |
| 21:24.24 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: stats |
| 21:24.24 | mokobot | Since Mon Jul 23 17:38:21 2007, there have been 11 modifications, 17 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 6 commands. I have been awake for 1d 3h 46m 3s this session, and currently reference 29 factoids. I'm using about 49992 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 12.05/0.94 child 0.03/0.02 |
| 21:24.45 | dtx | Is that by you? |
| 21:24.47 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: factstats |
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| 21:25.09 | ScaredyCat | that's can't be accurate |
| 21:25.18 | ScaredyCat | s/'s// |
| 21:25.20 | ewanm89_laptop | What can't be? |
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| 21:25.27 | ScaredyCat | 17 questions |
| 21:25.38 | dtx | Since Monday |
| 21:25.39 | ScaredyCat | dtx asked about 500 million |
| 21:26.20 | woglinde | aeh 50 mb of RAM? |
| 21:26.21 | ewanm89_laptop | The rest is, not that sentence though. |
| 21:26.27 | woglinde | mokobot you suckz |
| 21:26.36 | ewanm89_laptop | woglinde: Yeah, but I got a gig. |
| 21:26.45 | ewanm89_laptop | apt_: stats |
| 21:27.03 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: factstats new |
| 21:27.06 | mokobot | new factoids in the last 24hours (10): opensource developers ;; mud ;; asshole ;; dtx ;; debian ;; linux ;; fact ;; family guy ;; can i has a tracking number ;; mokobot. |
| 21:27.06 | SpeedEvil | dtx: also consider that many people want to read all of the scrollback. |
| 21:27.13 | ScaredyCat | cheese |
| 21:27.18 | ScaredyCat | s/cheese// |
| 21:27.41 | ewon | !asshole |
| 21:27.42 | juri_ | the botplay is annoying. ;) |
| 21:27.47 | ewanm89_laptop | ~asshole |
| 21:27.48 | apt | I don't have one of those, i'm a bot. |
| 21:27.48 | mokobot | hmm... asshole is synonymous with ScaredyCat. |
| 21:27.55 | ewon | heh |
| 21:28.07 | ewanm89_laptop | ~ to short address it. |
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| 21:28.32 | dtx | hehe |
| 21:28.38 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: I think it only reports those it has a match for in the stats. |
| 21:28.51 | ewanm89_laptop | ~dtx |
| 21:28.52 | mokobot | A seriously annoying gimp. |
| 21:28.55 | dtx | oh ok |
| 21:29.06 | dtx | haha |
| 21:29.22 | galexande | am i ever going to get a neo |
| 21:29.28 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 21:29.33 | juri_ | never. |
| 21:29.36 | woglinde | lol |
| 21:29.37 | galexande | :( you made me cry |
| 21:29.38 | dtx | Well, I did just manipulate a couple images a while ago, so I suppose its factually accurate |
| 21:29.41 | ewanm89_laptop | am I ever going to order a neo? |
| 21:29.56 | ScaredyCat | ha ha</nelson> |
| 21:30.10 | ewanm89_laptop | ~can i has a tracking number |
| 21:30.11 | mokobot | No. |
| 21:30.12 | SpeedEvil | ewanm89_laptop: you need to wait for my crystal ball to boot. |
| 21:30.24 | SpeedEvil | Anyone have a DFU image for the crystal ball - it's crashed. |
| 21:30.34 | ewanm89_laptop | SpeedEvil: I have to go now though. |
| 21:30.44 | ewanm89_laptop | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 21:31.12 | galexande | 3) If you ordered an ORANGE phone, this will also be shipped from the second batch of phones arriving next week. <--- damn me and my nonconformist ways |
| 21:31.30 | ozark1 | I'm in the same orange boat. |
| 21:31.41 | ScaredyCat | trust me, it'll be worth a fortune in 10 years... |
| 21:31.45 | ScaredyCat | super rare |
| 21:31.47 | woglinde | lol |
| 21:32.07 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: Isn't it worth a fortune now? |
| 21:32.13 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 21:32.17 | cjb_ie | $300 is hardly a fortune |
| 21:32.21 | ScaredyCat | it hasn't been built yet |
| 21:32.26 | ewanm89_laptop | Ah |
| 21:35.21 | dtx | $300 is becoming less and less a fortune the more the USD declines in value |
| 21:35.38 | galexande | hey on the bright side by the time they finally charge my card, the dollar will be weaker |
| 21:35.50 | dtx | You bet |
| 21:35.51 | galexande | they'll get less yen or whatever for it |
| 21:36.02 | dtx | Sand Dollars |
| 21:36.44 | dtx | And just so everybody knows I apologize for unleashing bot hell, I won't do it again |
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| 21:37.15 | galexande | hahahaha |
| 21:37.36 | dtx | ~bot hell |
| 21:37.37 | mokobot | rumour has it, bot hell is definitely not in this channel. |
| 21:37.41 | dtx | see |
| 21:38.19 | SpeedEvil | OTOH - cheap confetti. |
| 21:38.32 | dtx | ewon: get a Swiss Bank account |
| 21:38.36 | dtx | and keep your money there |
| 21:38.58 | woglinde | swiss banks dont use swift? |
| 21:39.08 | cjb_ie | ewon: take the money from selling your car and leave it in an account here? |
| 21:39.25 | ewon | cjb_ie: not a bad idea |
| 21:39.31 | ScaredyCat | $2.06 == 1gbp today |
| 21:39.54 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: you forgot to take into account rip-off britain in that calculation... |
| 21:40.21 | ScaredyCat | no I didn't... |
| 21:40.25 | ozark1 | ewon: What part of the US are you moving to? |
| 21:40.26 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: price of US goods = $300 (say), equivalent price calculated by UK branch of US firm, £300 |
| 21:40.27 | dtx | or you could invest your money into collectibles while in America and sell them off when you leave |
| 21:40.28 | ScaredyCat | I work in the UK, live in .nl |
| 21:40.31 | ewon | ozark1: santa monica, CA |
| 21:41.16 | ScaredyCat | Stephmw: yes, often $1=£1 |
| 21:41.55 | dtx | When did $1 = £1 ? |
| 21:42.02 | ozark1 | ewon: nice. You could have done worse. :-) |
| 21:42.02 | ScaredyCat | usually |
| 21:42.32 | ScaredyCat | when you buy stuff in the uk from a uk distributor of something from the usa |
| 21:42.57 | dtx | Now I've only been to England twice in 2001 and 2005 but both times the pound was considerably more than the $ |
| 21:43.09 | ScaredyCat | it is.. in shops |
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| 21:43.23 | woglinde | pound is more than euro and euro is more than dollar |
| 21:43.28 | dtx | yeah |
| 21:43.34 | ScaredyCat | but the neo would generally be sold for 300 quid |
| 21:43.35 | dtx | Euro started off equal to the dollar |
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| 21:47.45 | ewanm89_laptop | night guys |
| 21:48.04 | SpeedEvil | night |
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| 21:53.06 | _llll_ | it's about $2 for £1 atm, no idea about euros |
| 21:53.19 | don-o | "We start to ship US domestic orders today" - some dude on the community list. |
| 21:53.33 | don-o | Will @ openmoko :) |
| 21:53.34 | don-o | whoho |
| 21:54.18 | ozark1 | Woohoo, indeed. |
| 21:54.35 | ozark1 | Unless you ordered an orange one. :-( |
| 21:55.19 | don-o | noone in their right mind would order the creamsicle neo :) |
| 21:55.46 | don-o | its the photo where its next to the OLPC |
| 21:55.50 | don-o | that makes it look cheesy |
| 21:56.21 | mmazur | US domestic? I'll sue them for discrimination! :) |
| 21:56.32 | ozark1 | You just can't handle my level of non-comformity. |
| 21:56.39 | ScaredyCat | wtf |
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| 21:56.48 | mokobot | Hallelujah! |
| 21:56.50 | don-o | ozark1: Ha |
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| 21:57.19 | don-o | white/orange glory: http://flickr.com/photos/phauly/399692232/ |
| 21:57.36 | don-o | i see the OLPC chiclet-keys and cringe |
| 21:58.18 | Stephmw | it's perfect :D |
| 21:58.22 | don-o | although if someone had a white-orange model in-hand for sale, id buy it. |
| 21:59.01 | don-o | the openmoko forum thread is endless! someone make it stop! |
| 21:59.14 | don-o | or move it to a forum :) |
| 21:59.22 | ewon | someone stick phpBB somewhere and call it a day, christ |
| 21:59.30 | don-o | ewon: its here. openmokoforum.org |
| 21:59.50 | ScaredyCat | why would you only ship 'domestic' ? it's frigging UPS - it's the same fecking truck |
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| 22:00.04 | don-o | ScaredyCat: international orders are "tomorrow" |
| 22:00.11 | ScaredyCat | why would you only ship 'domestic' ? it's frigging UPS - it's the same fecking truck |
| 22:00.37 | SpeedEvil | The onorous form-filling? |
| 22:00.48 | SpeedEvil | (two line customs forms) |
| 22:02.24 | Zaireeka_ | should I really have been billed when I asked for an orange one and they're apparently still in china? |
| 22:02.45 | SpeedEvil | Well - who knows. |
| 22:02.51 | ewon | anyone seen any progress on hacking the UTStarcom dv007 |
| 22:03.16 | daMaestro | yeah, i think the way this has been handled is going to be detrimental to the project |
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| 22:04.25 | guaqua | daMaestro: this hasn't been handled as well as it could have been |
| 22:04.37 | guaqua | Zaireeka_: for what i understood, yes |
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| 22:05.02 | guaqua | Zaireeka_: the e-mail could be interpreted in two ways |
| 22:07.29 | ewon | wasn't there an fic 1973 on ebay? |
| 22:08.05 | don-o | ewon: there is a whole website for selling neo's, with plenty of genuine end-user reviews of the phone :) |
| 22:08.51 | gcb77 | ewon: yep, it got taken off a few days before it was supposed to end due to something like "Not enough serious bids" |
| 22:10.08 | ewon | gcb77: hah, nice |
| 22:10.34 | cjb_ie | and another allegedly giving them away "free" in return for completing surveys |
| 22:10.41 | ewon | I suspect there will a number of GTA01s on ebay soon enough, when Joe Public realises the device is still the domain of the hacker |
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| 22:10.46 | cjb_ie | again with user reviews saying it's so much better than an iphone |
| 22:11.14 | cjb_ie | ewon: even with the YES_I_DO thing? |
| 22:11.52 | ewon | cjb_ie: people will believe what they want to believe |
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| 22:21.10 | ewon | that dv007 is an attractive price, but I'd need to find some kind of toolchain for the thing first |
| 22:22.07 | jadams | so regarding wifi on the moko, my plan is just to buy a gumstix with bt and wifi and bridge 'em...no problem carrying around one more tiny device. Sound fair? |
| 22:22.22 | jadams | alternatively, I've already got a n770, and it's got wifi and bluetooth |
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| 22:22.51 | mjr | can't see why you couldn't use the n770 as a bridge |
| 22:23.02 | jadams | mjr: yeah, I forgot I had it :) |
| 22:23.11 | jadams | plus it's a tad bigger |
| 22:23.20 | jadams | anyway, thanks for validating the idea :) |
| 22:23.55 | jadams | in that case, I suppose I'll be running apps on the 770 as well and piping the display to the neo :) |
| 22:27.12 | SpeedEvil | jadams: IIRC gumstick wifi isn't here yet. |
| 22:27.21 | don-o | SpeedEvil: oh its here |
| 22:27.29 | SpeedEvil | jadams: Oh. |
| 22:27.34 | don-o | SpeedEvil: with a daughterboard |
| 22:27.55 | SpeedEvil | I mean the daughterboartd for wifi hadn't launched |
| 22:27.59 | jadams | SpeedEvil: I hadn't looked into it yet in detail, so without don-o's response I'd have not known :) |
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| 22:28.16 | jadams | anyway, 770 wins...because I already have it, AND it gets obsoleted when the phone gets here |
| 22:28.19 | don-o | SpeedEvil: it has for the old platform, but yeah i think the verant daughterboards are not ready |
| 22:28.26 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right. |
| 22:28.37 | SpeedEvil | I was just looking into this for the [[Open Phone]] category |
| 22:28.44 | SpeedEvil | or was it [[Model Phone]] |
| 22:29.03 | don-o | gumstix+gsm_board with bluetooth to a twiddler keyboard and eye-glasses-mounted display would really rock. |
| 22:29.19 | SpeedEvil | And be rather pricy. |
| 22:29.28 | SpeedEvil | The [[Model Phone]] page comes up as some $600 |
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| 22:29.58 | don-o | SpeedEvil: is that the openmoko wiki? |
| 22:30.34 | SpeedEvil | If the pole is above the guys, then you cam http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Modular_phone |
| 22:30.35 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 22:31.47 | don-o | one-hand chorded keyboard over bluetooth http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/review/frogpad_ifrog_bluetooth_keyboard_review |
| 22:32.03 | don-o | the display over bluetooth is hard, i guess. |
| 22:32.44 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: interesting |
| 22:32.59 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: and a nice response to people curious about costs |
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| 22:33.52 | SpeedEvil | It might be lots cheaper at 1K, but... |
| 22:34.01 | don-o | we're all "want neo now" but imagine waiting for a human limb to become cheap and available. http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/24/iwalk-to-release-powerfoot-one-prosthetic-foot/ |
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| 22:34.20 | don-o | thats tech that 'disappears' |
| 22:35.20 | SpeedEvil | The only intuitive MP3 player. |
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| 22:35.27 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: using the dipples as in-ear phones? |
| 22:35.48 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: or jaw induction? |
| 22:36.52 | galexande | speed, would you get them |
| 22:37.39 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 22:37.41 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 22:38.39 | woglinde | nite |
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| 22:53.47 | Jason1 | Hey all! |
| 22:54.24 | galexande | jason1, how's the mail box treating you |
| 22:54.48 | Jason1 | poorly :(. BTW, Did you see Will's note today? |
| 22:54.57 | galexande | yeah, i have an orange one so it answers my question |
| 22:55.09 | Jason1 | ?? |
| 22:55.28 | galexande | he said orange ones are coming from the next shipment |
| 22:55.34 | Jason1 | We`ll start to ship US domestic orders today (7/24), international |
| 22:55.34 | Jason1 | shipping please wait another day. |
| 22:55.37 | galexande | my low order number didn't help me at all |
| 22:55.52 | Jason1 | ohhh. I didnt see that yet... Im sorry. |
| 22:56.01 | galexande | he alsosays they have enough for everybody. |
| 22:56.38 | Jason1 | by the time thet get around to actually shipping them, they will have had the opporunity to manufacture thousands :) |
| 22:56.42 | Jason1 | Moko for all!!!! |
| 22:57.26 | Jason1 | I know those guys are fooling around in the warehouse making moko-angels in all the boxes. |
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| 22:58.31 | Jason1 | galexande: Would have been nice if they would have noted the delay in the shopping cart. |
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| 22:59.10 | galexande | yeah, knowing beats not knowing |
| 22:59.27 | galexande | but at least my neo will clash with everything, i'm excited |
| 23:00.02 | Jason1 | unless you wear bright orange sneakers :) |
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| 23:03.56 | Jason1 | galexande: Where did Will talk about the Wh/Orange ship delay? |
| 23:04.51 | galexande | 3) If you ordered an ORANGE phone, this will also be shipped from the second batch of phones arriving next week. |
| 23:05.37 | daMaestro | Jason1, /topic |
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| 23:07.19 | Kero | pft, there goes a mail. Now let's hope we get somewhere... |
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| 23:35.42 | nox-Hand | !counter |
| 23:35.44 | nox-Hand | counter |
| 23:35.44 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-21 06:20) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 75% in a day 18:12:08 (1.758±1.8 days) (1776;251) |
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| 23:42.24 | jseghers | Question: has anyone else run into the problem that the OpenMoko build seems to have broken? openmoko-rssreader package is failing because the Configure step can't find package WebKitGdk??? |
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| 23:45.41 | abraxa_ | jseghers: Yes, that's known |
| 23:46.03 | jseghers | How can I work around it? It's completely blocking me? |
| 23:47.21 | abraxa_ | No idea how to do it the "proper" way as of now - I'd just try touch-ing the state files (do_compile & Co) and see where I end up |
| 23:47.43 | jseghers | :) I'll try that... thanks |
| 23:47.46 | cesarb | jseghers: edit the task recipe and simply remove the broken package from it? |
| 23:48.23 | jseghers | cesarb: any idea where it's included? |
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| 23:49.53 | abraxa_ | jseghers: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/oe/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb has it |
| 23:49.53 | cesarb | jseghers: oe/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb |
| 23:50.09 | abraxa_ | cesarb: Good timing ;) |
| 23:50.14 | jseghers | Thank you, both of you :) |
| 23:51.10 | abraxa_ | You're welcome |