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| 00:01.17 | SpeedEvil | Glue a nk1100 on the back, and it makes it work lots better as a phone :) |
| 00:01.29 | linux_galore | if your after a business phone I would say go get a commercial unit |
| 00:02.27 | linux_galore | if your after something to hack on get a NEO |
| 00:02.53 | linux_galore | horses for courses |
| 00:03.31 | Jason1 | Hey guys: An update on my payment confirmation: I just got a call from VISA Fraud Prevention Services regarding the international charge on my credit card. I Ok-d the charge, and everything is good. |
| 00:03.37 | linux_galore | Im getting a GTA02 but I doubt I will be using it as my main phone for a while |
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| 00:05.31 | cesarb | Jason1: wow, the neo is suspicious :D |
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| 00:06.12 | Jason1 | cesarb: Yup. :) |
| 00:06.17 | cesarb | (it probably was due to the bizarre currency conversion, if I'm following the drama correctly) |
| 00:07.12 | Jason1 | cesarb: Well they used their Taiwan merchant account to charge my card. And since I never make purchases outside the US, it flagged as suspisious |
| 00:09.20 | aloril | cool, its now significantly cheaper! |
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| 00:15.53 | aloril | (based on entering address on direct.openmoko.com and finishing step 1 (but not continuing after that)) |
| 00:16.04 | aloril | no charges on credit card yet though |
| 00:17.09 | Jason1 | aloril: You got your payment conf? |
| 00:17.20 | aloril | don't see it |
| 00:17.54 | aloril | what is biggest number processed yet? |
| 00:18.08 | Psi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:18.31 | Jason1 | Psi: hehe. the nija is at it again (after taking a long vacation) |
| 00:19.19 | Jason1 | aloril: I have been away for a littel while. Are multiple peopl now reporting payment confirmation emails? |
| 00:19.29 | aloril | hmm.. no edits at P1 about credit card charges, so ... hard to say where they are at the moment |
| 00:19.51 | Jason1 | aloril2: I got mine a few hours ago, but no else seems to have... |
| 00:20.08 | Psi | Jason1, you got a conf email? |
| 00:20.14 | Psi | what ticket no are you? |
| 00:20.25 | Jason1 | #1820 (aka #1) |
| 00:20.26 | aloril | well.. there should be several before me, it was about 1-2h before I ordered after you |
| 00:20.40 | Psi | ah |
| 00:20.42 | aloril | should be < 500 anyway though ;-) |
| 00:20.57 | Jason1 | CM is #2. Couldnt reach him earlier... |
| 00:21.43 | Jason1 | Psi: You got a long way to go :( |
| 00:21.48 | Psi | yeah |
| 00:22.06 | Psi | im #199 |
| 00:22.20 | Jason1 | aloril: FYI, updated Order Process wiki page... |
| 00:22.36 | aloril | so... I guess they kind of tested ;-) |
| 00:22.49 | Jason1 | aloril: yeah, apparently. |
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| 00:24.53 | Psi | Given the international origin of the charge, the transaction may look suspicious to your bank. My bank's fraud department contacted me to verify the transaction. |
| 00:24.56 | Psi | haha |
| 00:25.45 | don-o | Psi: are you sure they didnt call to verify that your new phone's open source software may not be entirely stable? :) |
| 00:25.46 | Jason1 | Psi: Yup. |
| 00:25.47 | aloril | should not, I have ordered previous internationally, there is even recent charge ;-) |
| 00:25.59 | Jason1 | don-o: LOL |
| 00:26.29 | Psi | just so you know, i forgot to put that in quotes, its from the wiki, not me personally |
| 00:26.45 | don-o | "C-3PO: Sir, it's quite possible this asteroid is not entirely stable. Han Solo: Not entirely stable! I'm glad you're here to tell us these things." |
| 00:27.28 | Jason1 | don-o: I think you have a little too much free time... |
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| 00:27.39 | happycube | no charge yet here |
| 00:27.53 | daMaestro | no charge here |
| 00:27.55 | Jason1 | happycube: What # are you? |
| 00:27.58 | happycube | 2047 |
| 00:28.02 | daMaestro | 1964 |
| 00:28.12 | SpeedEvil | Has anyone updatef the P1 owners pages? |
| 00:28.13 | don-o | is that estimated delivery date? :) |
| 00:28.29 | Jason1 | Looks as if my trans was just a test of their system |
| 00:28.40 | Jason1 | SpeedEvil: I just did. |
| 00:28.54 | Jason1 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 00:29.06 | Jason1 | aloril: your wiki script is slacking |
| 00:29.39 | aloril | wiki changes are put here only once/2h |
| 00:29.43 | don-o | the variants on YES_I_DO are funny |
| 00:30.22 | Jason1 | I like daMaestro's YES_I_DO_DIDDLY_DO |
| 00:30.35 | daMaestro | ;-) |
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| 00:34.46 | SpeedEvil | Ok - so we have one credit card charged in 10 days. That means the last phone should go some time around 2034. |
| 00:35.49 | Jason1 | SpeedEvil: FIC has proven that they are the fastest at things... |
| 00:35.58 | Jason1 | are=aren't |
| 00:36.24 | CoreDump|afk | =) |
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| 00:36.40 | Jason1 | Does that mean that GTA02 will be available in October 2034? |
| 00:40.04 | calamous | Well, for regular consumers its good that they discovered their logistics problems now (with us cause we are more patient) |
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| 00:40.41 | calamous | If I wasn't buying the "openmoko" dev preview I would have canceled my order already |
| 00:40.58 | LetoTo | so what happened? none of the people who put in a transaction got a transaction? |
| 00:40.58 | Jason1 | calamous: I dont know that I am any more patient, but I understand the reason for hte delays. |
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| 00:41.30 | don-o | its like FIC hired software developers, then said oh and do logistics and ecommerce at the same time. |
| 00:41.45 | don-o | it seems they would have inhouse experts to take care of that |
| 00:41.58 | LetoTo | it's not rocket science to setup osCommerce :P |
| 00:42.15 | don-o | request tracker aint bad, imho. |
| 00:42.38 | SpeedEvil | _if_it_worked_reliably_ |
| 00:42.54 | sixfeet | hmmm |
| 00:43.18 | don-o | the whole YES_I_DO thing is crazy. i would have done that over the web. |
| 00:43.18 | SpeedEvil | At this stage you don't try to setup an optimal shipping solution, and then scream and panic at the last minute when it doesn't work. |
| 00:43.45 | SpeedEvil | You eat the 5% you might lose on a suboptimal solution, and get on with doing more important stuff. |
| 00:43.54 | don-o | im suprized they didnt ask to send a bash script in the email to be evaluated. |
| 00:44.35 | Jason1 | lol |
| 00:44.39 | happycube | lol! |
| 00:44.47 | SpeedEvil | echo lol |
| 00:45.09 | don-o | i got an email back that said "bash: buy_moko: command not found" wtf? :) |
| 00:45.20 | happycube | heh |
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| 00:46.36 | holycow | so like 2047 would imply that 2046 units have already been ordered? |
| 00:46.58 | holycow | if so thats pretty cool. it's not large volume but pretty cool for a small project shipping ot devs |
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| 00:47.18 | SpeedEvil | holycow: no |
| 00:47.24 | SpeedEvil | holycow: it started at 1800 |
| 00:47.31 | sublime | 1820 |
| 00:47.31 | Jason1 | 1820, to be exact |
| 00:47.33 | holycow | aha, k |
| 00:47.45 | SpeedEvil | best guesses are around 1000-1500 phones were ordered. |
| 00:48.05 | holycow | thats pretty cool |
| 00:48.13 | Jason1 | largest number is around 3500 |
| 00:48.25 | sublime | anybody else's card charged yet? |
| 00:48.32 | holycow | thats priming the develooper community pretty well |
| 00:48.37 | sublime | or was it just the one dude that made the first order |
| 00:48.38 | SpeedEvil | holycow: Indeed. |
| 00:48.54 | Jason1 | sublime: so far, just me |
| 00:49.09 | sublime | alright, i figured yours was the test |
| 00:49.23 | sublime | the rest will probably be sent out in a mass mailing |
| 00:49.31 | Jason1 | sublime: yeah, thats too bad. it was looking like the ball was starting to roll. Maybe tomorrow |
| 00:49.42 | sublime | yeah |
| 00:50.06 | sublime | unless they sent yours out and their system took a giant big fat dump like it did when they started taking orders |
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| 00:50.19 | Jason1 | ROFLMA!!! |
| 00:50.24 | aloril | counter_msg (last update 2007-07-19 00:49) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 65% in |
| 00:50.24 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to (last update 2007-07-19 00:49) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 65% in |
| 00:50.24 | SpeedEvil | While mailing his phone to Hawaii. |
| 00:50.30 | aloril | (added few mailing list links) |
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| 00:50.51 | cesarb | today they ship the first one |
| 00:50.57 | cesarb | tomorrow they ship the next two |
| 00:51.02 | cesarb | the next day they ship four |
| 00:51.05 | Jason1 | heh |
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| 00:51.13 | cesarb | and so on, until they encounter congestion |
| 00:51.13 | aloril | they have do only logistics to business earlier, not to consumers |
| 00:51.23 | aloril | but yeah, they should have hired somebody to do it |
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| 00:51.26 | holycow | well if you read the planet dealie, that one dude wrote the cgi in like no time, wasn't given enough time to do it |
| 00:51.37 | aloril | (as LaF0rge said in his blog post) |
| 00:51.41 | holycow | things like that happen under those circumstances |
| 00:51.53 | Jason1 | has Harold updated his blog? |
| 00:52.05 | cesarb | holycow: "that one dude" is laf0rge, which is also the one who burnt out some days ago ;-) |
| 00:52.30 | cesarb | Jason1: there was a post from him yesterday IIRC |
| 00:52.35 | Jason1 | he did : http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/07/index.html |
| 00:52.38 | holycow | LaF0rge, *waves* |
| 00:52.38 | holycow | haha |
| 00:52.39 | Jason1 | cesarb: thanks |
| 00:52.47 | happycube | holycow - yeah on top of a flu! |
| 00:53.21 | cesarb | and not sleeping well, not eating well, and going from taiwan to china and back all the time! |
| 00:53.29 | happycube | exactly |
| 00:53.45 | aloril | from what date is #3697 number? |
| 00:53.52 | happycube | i would've collapsed and/or thrown in the towel far earlier ;) |
| 00:54.32 | cesarb | aloril: it was on the 3500s the 13th |
| 00:54.52 | cesarb | happycube: it just goes to show how he wants this thing to succeed (sp?) |
| 00:55.24 | happycube | yeah :) |
| 00:55.45 | happycube | you have to be really dedicated to hold out that far |
| 00:55.54 | holycow | lol |
| 00:55.58 | holycow | oh c'mon tho |
| 00:56.07 | happycube | i actually think i would be for this... i wasn't for my last job ;) |
| 00:56.12 | holycow | i mean its not like they were given 40 million to make ithappen |
| 00:56.20 | holycow | its typical of the way asians run things |
| 00:56.24 | happycube | yup |
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| 00:57.11 | holycow | gld to see devs sticking around tho :) |
| 00:57.49 | happycube | me too |
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| 00:58.55 | calamous | Jason1: Have you been billed yet? |
| 00:59.08 | sagacis | Has anyone been billed yet? |
| 00:59.12 | Jason1 | calamous: Yes. Today, about 5 hours ago |
| 00:59.29 | Jason1 | sagacis: apparently, just me. |
| 00:59.40 | calamous | Jason1: Congrats. I'm about 200 orders heigher than you and I have not yet |
| 00:59.44 | sagacis | Are they going in order #? |
| 00:59.49 | sagacis | I guess not. |
| 01:00.10 | Jason1 | sagacis: They start at #1820 and got all the way to #1820 and stopped |
| 01:00.36 | sagacis | heh heh. I'm in trouble at 1912, then, eh? |
| 01:01.25 | Jason1 | SpeedEvil says " Ok - so we have one credit card charged in 10 days. That means the last phone should go some time around 2034." |
| 01:02.11 | calamous | Do you think when I replied YES_I_DO do you think I should have put a \n at the end of it. Because it said it wanted it on a line, but I never completed it |
| 01:02.38 | calamous | Cause if someone threw toghether a parser its a common mistake to make read up to \n and forget everything else |
| 01:03.36 | Jason1 | calamous: thats anyone's guess. maybe reply again. I dont see how it could hurt... I suspect that they will manually review any responses that could not be parsed, however. |
| 01:04.19 | sagacis | Maybe it should have been "YES_I_DO/r/n" |
| 01:04.26 | sagacis | er \r\n |
| 01:04.50 | sagacis | I bet they are having problems with the credit card process is all. |
| 01:04.57 | sagacis | Do we have any idea who's next? |
| 01:05.04 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 01:05.14 | Jason1 | sagacis: CM should be nect |
| 01:05.15 | SpeedEvil | 1823 is on the wiki |
| 01:05.45 | calamous | Jason1: We should add a column charged to the P1 owners page |
| 01:06.04 | freelock | I just saw Jason1's ml post... |
| 01:06.14 | freelock | Mine is #1828, and I haven't been charged yet... |
| 01:06.46 | calamous | Ok then I guess jason1 was the credit card charge system beta tester |
| 01:06.47 | sagacis | CM in Sweden has the next order |
| 01:07.14 | sagacis | calamous: Good idea. I'm there now. Should I add it? |
| 01:07.24 | sagacis | We have "Arrived" |
| 01:07.28 | calamous | yeah |
| 01:09.53 | Jason1 | sagacis: Do it. Feel free to modify my line |
| 01:12.16 | sagacis | OK, if the wiki will update.... |
| 01:12.40 | sagacis | Maybe we should put date in the Payed column |
| 01:13.20 | sagacis | Better. Too bad the list isn't sorted by order number... |
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| 01:13.36 | anculz | http://rectum.antiville.fr/ |
| 01:13.37 | sagacis | This is how I end up editing every wiki page and adding little/no value... |
| 01:13.38 | anculz | http://rectum.antiville.fr/ |
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| 01:15.04 | Jason1 | sagacis: How about one more column for "Ship Date"? |
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| 01:15.31 | sagacis | Man wiki tables aren't easy, you know... :( |
| 01:15.40 | sagacis | Sure. Will we know ship date? |
| 01:16.04 | Jason1 | sagacis: acording to the pay conf email, they will send a ship notfiication email... |
| 01:16.20 | Jason1 | http://www.chooseopen.com/PaymentReceived.png |
| 01:16.23 | sagacis | So, they charged you but haven't actually shipped? |
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| 01:16.33 | Jason1 | sagacis: Yup :( |
| 01:16.48 | Jason1 | sagacis: Good new is that they are now obligated to ship :) |
| 01:18.40 | Jason1 | sagacis: Also, I think "Payed" is spelled "Paid" ;) |
| 01:19.42 | sagacis | Wow! That's pretty funny. I even changed it from Payment Charged. I speek inglesh good. |
| 01:20.11 | sagacis | Of course, I'm tired from editing wiki pages at work all day. |
| 01:20.29 | sagacis | Argh! Conflict |
| 01:21.20 | compbrain | Er, sorry. I should edit and IRC in parallel |
| 01:22.04 | calamous | Jason1: You use kmail, can that interface with any groupware? |
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| 01:23.53 | Jason1 | uhhm I connect to Exchange at work. I think you can also access calendars on OpenGroupWare, OpenXchange, Groupwise, and eGroupware |
| 01:24.03 | sagacis | compbrain: Check to make sure I got it right when I saved. |
| 01:24.06 | sagacis | Third time is a charm |
| 01:24.48 | Jason1 | sagacis: Awesome |
| 01:24.54 | Jason1 | sagacis: Looks good |
| 01:25.31 | sagacis | compbrain stomped me twice. :-/ |
| 01:25.36 | sagacis | But, it's all good |
| 01:26.52 | compbrain | 'Shipped Arrived' looks funny, even though it is correct |
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| 01:27.13 | Jason1 | compbrain: Once I put my ship date in, it will look great :) |
| 01:27.34 | sagacis | We could add borders, but that'll look clunky |
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| 01:30.35 | compbrain | Jason1: Rubbing it in, eh? ;) |
| 01:31.04 | Jason1 | compbrain: I earned it :) |
| 01:34.02 | ckuethe | (18:48:13) Jason1: largest number is around 3500 |
| 01:34.02 | ckuethe | /me <-- 3900 |
| 01:34.31 | sublime | lol, you might as well wait for GTA02 |
| 01:34.39 | Jason1 | ckuethe: Wow. thats alot of orders! |
| 01:34.44 | Jason1 | sublime: LOL |
| 01:35.00 | ckuethe | no, i want GTA01 so i have a phone i can hack on and a phone i can use |
| 01:35.00 | sublime | im 95% serious |
| 01:35.12 | Jason1 | heh |
| 01:35.20 | ckuethe | wouldn't surprise me if they did a hardware rev before i get mine |
| 01:35.40 | compbrain | Heres hoping the massive dogfood consumption will boost development |
| 01:35.50 | ckuethe | also, GTA01 is a "work phone" for me... i'm supposed to port openbsd to it |
| 01:36.02 | ckuethe | and i'm bored of my RAZR |
| 01:36.35 | ckuethe | GTA02, whether it runs openbsd, openmoko or openvms looks like it'll be a good choice for my next phone |
| 01:36.55 | sublime | you seen javaFX mobile |
| 01:36.59 | sublime | ? |
| 01:37.02 | ckuethe | there's tons of stuff to do before GTA02 is ready/usable, and much of that can be done on GTA01 |
| 01:37.05 | ckuethe | no, i haven't |
| 01:37.15 | sublime | ok, let me see if i cant find the video of it |
| 01:37.30 | sublime | but sun has a new java mobile os running on a neo |
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| 01:39.26 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_North_Texas]] [[OpenMoko_Local_groups:_Boston]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Direct.openmoko.com_order_process]] [[User:Tingo]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Arizona]] [[GPS_Navigation]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups]] [[MokoMakefile]] |
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| 01:41.31 | sublime | i think this is it |
| 01:41.33 | sublime | http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39287013,00.htm |
| 01:41.57 | sublime | watch through it and hell hold up a neo running java fx |
| 01:43.14 | Aria | Link to it http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/when_not_where |
| 01:44.24 | sublime | that picture is obviously a really bad photochop but in the video he actually plays with it a little |
| 01:44.35 | sublime | i doubt its very functional but it still ran |
| 01:44.54 | sublime | and i think it looks pretty slick too |
| 01:45.10 | sublime | iphone rip off but still nice |
| 01:47.28 | SpeedEvil | Could just be video - who knows. |
| 01:47.37 | sublime | true |
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| 02:11.21 | pixelstick | Does anyone know anything about build quality of the phase 0 neo1973? |
| 02:11.22 | aloril | pixelstick: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 02:11.57 | Qwell | pixelstick: build quality? |
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| 02:12.35 | sublime | build quality meaning if you drop it from 6" onto a pillow will it break into 8million pieces |
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| 02:12.49 | Qwell | ahh |
| 02:12.54 | happycube | lol |
| 02:12.58 | happycube | but does it blend? |
| 02:13.07 | sublime | iphone blends |
| 02:13.10 | happycube | exactly |
| 02:13.10 | Qwell | I saw "build", and thought compile for some reason |
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| 02:13.13 | happycube | lol |
| 02:13.13 | sagacis | Surely, since the iphone blends, it will too |
| 02:13.15 | sublime | iphone blended real nice |
| 02:13.17 | pixelstick | lol |
| 02:13.28 | happycube | the battery caught fire inside the blender |
| 02:13.31 | pixelstick | yes |
| 02:13.37 | sagacis | It was fun |
| 02:13.39 | pixelstick | the quality of the product |
| 02:13.39 | Qwell | mmm, iPhone smoke |
| 02:13.43 | Qwell | don't breathe that |
| 02:13.45 | happycube | with the neo you can remove the battery so it'll blend better ;) |
| 02:13.47 | happycube | lol, ya |
| 02:13.49 | Jason1 | lol |
| 02:14.09 | happycube | ok bbl |
| 02:14.11 | happycube | :) |
| 02:16.04 | pixelstick | Is anyone in here lucky enough to use or see one of the pre-phase 1 or phase 1 units? |
| 02:16.34 | nod_ | yes. i do |
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| 02:17.16 | pixelstick | Nod, what is the build quality of the unit like? |
| 02:17.36 | nod_ | better than iphone |
| 02:17.50 | nod_ | the next generation product |
| 02:17.53 | pixelstick | ok, sounds good |
| 02:18.12 | nod_ | yea!! with GPU |
| 02:18.22 | pixelstick | But I haven't seen an iPhone either :) |
| 02:18.38 | nod_ | ha...me either |
| 02:19.14 | pixelstick | lol |
| 02:19.26 | nod_ | but i know i am waiting for the next Neo |
| 02:19.42 | pixelstick | I'm just glad I haven't had the iPhone shoved in my face. |
| 02:20.00 | pixelstick | I am probably going to wait for the next one too |
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| 02:20.13 | pixelstick | I like my current phone enough to hold out |
| 02:20.19 | pixelstick | for a little longer |
| 02:20.20 | Qwell | I kinda want to, but the whole $150 extra thing... |
| 02:21.17 | pixelstick | I want to try to get the wifi |
| 02:21.25 | nod_ | ha...who wanna buy a phone without free mind |
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| 02:22.39 | pixelstick | I hope that they can get voip working on it |
| 02:22.54 | pixelstick | It would be great to have an open voip/gsm hybrid phone |
| 02:23.21 | pixelstick | and without the camera |
| 02:25.07 | nod_ | maybe we can hold a vote to decide what kind of component we want it |
| 02:28.59 | sagacis | Put it on the wiki |
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| 02:35.58 | BlackBsd | maybe a newer model will have a camera |
| 02:37.54 | galexande | this is FIC, not canon, it'll be just as bad as any other cellphone camera |
| 02:37.57 | pixelstick | i hope they keep the camera optional |
| 02:38.24 | pixelstick | Many people can't have a cameraphone for work and other reasons. |
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| 02:40.22 | cjb | pixelstick: I don't think I'd use "many" there. |
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| 02:45.57 | pixelstick | There are many |
| 02:46.47 | cjb | many who also get to choose which cellphone to buy, and would be interested in a cellphone that gives them freedom? |
| 02:46.47 | sublime | there are many more that can have a camera at work though |
| 02:47.03 | cjb | I'm interested in a cellphone that gives me freedom, and as a result am not interested in working somewhere that doesn't. :-) |
| 02:47.28 | cjb | It feels like you're trying to optimize for a tiny overlapping of sets. |
| 02:47.48 | sublime | its like the guys that wanted the UI to cater to colorblind people saying theres lots of colorblind people out there |
| 02:47.57 | Aria | There are. |
| 02:48.06 | sublime | well theres lots more people that arent color blind so they should deal with it |
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| 02:48.25 | pixelstick | cjb, camera phones aren't that great anyway... one of the supposed best (n95) can't beat a fairly standard digital camera |
| 02:48.57 | sublime | i have big hands so i think the phone should be completely restructured and rebuilt to cater to me and my big handed friends |
| 02:49.16 | ckuethe | meh. i got the black razr rather than the silver because at the time, the black one had the camera and the silver one didn't... i used the camera for about a week. then went back to my canon sd400 |
| 02:49.19 | sublime | doesnt sound right does it |
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| 02:50.25 | Aria | sublime: In software? Hell yes. |
| 02:50.35 | Aria | sublime: And for me, smaller buttons because my hands are slim |
| 02:50.38 | ckuethe | while there is the argument "a picture tells a thousand words", i don't see how a camera module is key to the core competency of a *phone* |
| 02:51.08 | ckuethe | as for colourblindness or whatever, how about some kind of skin tool? |
| 02:51.19 | ckuethe | a little wizard to give you a quick colourblindness test |
| 02:51.19 | pixelstick | I am fine if they make it modular with a camera, but I want a choice too |
| 02:51.32 | matthew | what needs to be done before phase2? |
| 02:51.33 | ckuethe | and it'll try generate a skin that you can see |
| 02:51.59 | ckuethe | choice is good. i'll choose the one without the camera - you can have stereo cameras. ;) |
| 02:52.24 | BlackBsd | anyone use eclipse for the development of openmoko? |
| 02:52.31 | BlackBsd | the embedded devices plugin? |
| 02:54.23 | sublime | aria: yeah but youre talking about a feature for like 10% of the worlds population that could take up quite a bit of room |
| 02:54.26 | sublime | balls |
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| 02:55.00 | matthew | how does wireless phone internet plans work. as far as having a login/password just like normal broadband? i ask because I briefly had tmobile internet and i never had to login or anything. i'm worried that internet only works on provider's own phones. |
| 02:56.01 | pixelstick | well, there is the cell network and the wifi part |
| 02:56.28 | pixelstick | typically one will use the wifi to use voip for the lower latency |
| 02:57.04 | pixelstick | you get an account with the voip company that you want to use, and enter the information into the voip software on the phone |
| 02:57.22 | pixelstick | then it would work in wifi environments, and you wouldn't use your cell minutes |
| 02:57.57 | pixelstick | the cell networks are more like a dial up more |
| 02:57.58 | pixelstick | mode |
| 02:59.05 | pixelstick | it seems to call a number |
| 02:59.14 | pixelstick | tmobile doesn't use password and username i think |
| 02:59.35 | pixelstick | but it is a type of dial-up networking, but through the cell network |
| 02:59.47 | matthew | ohh, i wasn't talking about voip since i'll never use that in my life. i just meant internet, through your providers. i wondered how they know that it's you. |
| 03:00.18 | sublime | your number dials into their server, just like dial-up internet |
| 03:00.34 | matthew | so then it should work for unlocked phones too? |
| 03:00.46 | sublime | there server has caller i.d. so if it recognizes your number it gives you internet |
| 03:00.54 | sublime | if not, no internet for you |
| 03:01.02 | matthew | that's good then |
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| 03:01.15 | sublime | yes, you just need to input the correct settings |
| 03:02.00 | matthew | i might stick to wifi though since provider internet is extremely expensive right now. |
| 03:02.20 | sublime | same here |
| 03:02.26 | pixelstick | yeah, i misread the question at first |
| 03:02.28 | pixelstick | :) |
| 03:02.31 | sublime | im going to try and get a little wifi dongle working |
| 03:03.19 | matthew | but i don't live in the city where wifi is everywhere so that's why i'm considering getting provider. |
| 03:06.08 | pixelstick | matthew: are you talking about using the phone as a modem for your computers at home? |
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| 03:15.34 | matthew | pixelstick: no, no. just using the internet on the phone. |
| 03:15.56 | matthew | pixelstick: checking stock quotes at work, etc. |
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| 03:39.06 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Arizona]] |
| 03:45.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 642 has been created by jp.lemieux(AT)teksavvy.com |
| 03:45.02 | cdbot2 | * * The cgi script for ordering the neo1973 never gets to step 2 |
| 03:45.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=642 |
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| 03:51.43 | doc|home | any comments on http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-6140191.html ? :) |
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| 03:53.26 | ckuethe | old news, but... |
| 03:54.09 | ckuethe | here's hoping the software and/or power management unit keeps the mic turned off until you hit <send> |
| 03:55.00 | ckuethe | possibly have an applet that watches for such requests to come in over the air and pops up a dialog |
| 03:55.17 | ckuethe | "hey there, the FBI just tried to turn on the microphone." |
| 03:57.06 | doc|home | ckuethe: I think it's a software only thing |
| 03:57.14 | doc|home | the providers need to activate it |
| 03:57.19 | ckuethe | true |
| 03:57.37 | ckuethe | but in the openmoko case, we have a closed gsm module in a tin can |
| 03:57.48 | ckuethe | and an open audio chip on the board |
| 03:58.01 | ckuethe | and the audio chip is under the control of ... us |
| 03:58.01 | doc|home | true |
| 03:59.18 | ckuethe | oh, i know! have a little loop of rage against the machine that plays into the gsm module if the audio input line goes active without being requested by the dialler app ... "f*ck you i won't do what you tell me!" |
| 03:59.48 | quinton | hehe |
| 04:00.15 | ckuethe | or maybe the barney song? |
| 04:00.42 | quinton | would we be able to tell if the audio line goes active? |
| 04:00.47 | ckuethe | personally, i'd prefer to just ATH / ATZ ... |
| 04:01.01 | ckuethe | maybe |
| 04:01.57 | ckuethe | i guess gsmd could/should inform the power management unit to toggle the mic appropriately at call setup/termination |
| 04:04.07 | quinton | wouldn't it be better just to not route the audio into the GSM? |
| 04:04.31 | quinton | i dunno, if you want to use it as a dictaphone or have speech commands or something |
| 04:04.51 | ferric | so, who else go the delivery email |
| 04:11.30 | mil_ | ferric: i didnt :( whats your orderid? |
| 04:12.10 | summatusmentis | ferric: did anyone else? or is it still only Jason1? |
| 04:12.52 | holycow | ckuethe, thats frickin cool :) |
| 04:13.03 | ferric | I've only heard from J1. |
| 04:13.08 | ferric | my order #is 2713 |
| 04:13.15 | ferric | i'm faar. |
| 04:13.36 | ckuethe | you like my messing with remote bugs idea? |
| 04:13.58 | ckuethe | i wonder if the pin-out of calypso is NDA |
| 04:14.56 | ckuethe | yes! |
| 04:15.02 | ckuethe | audio is I2C |
| 04:16.40 | sagacis | sublime didn't report getting a Payment Processed e-mail. He's 1843, according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 04:17.15 | orospakr | uh oh! |
| 04:17.17 | orospakr | I'm not on the list. |
| 04:17.57 | Arachnid | I haven't had one yet either |
| 04:18.05 | jeddy3 | orospakr, what list? |
| 04:18.13 | orospakr | P1 Owners. |
| 04:18.32 | orospakr | I'm #3255. I haven't received a payment processed mail either, for that matter. |
| 04:18.35 | Arachnid | I'm 1846 |
| 04:18.35 | jeddy3 | orospakr, it's a wiki, just add yourself if you want to be there :P |
| 04:18.56 | ckuethe | http://www.wolfsonmicro.com/products/WM8753/ |
| 04:18.57 | orospakr | jeddy3: heh, OK. I got the impression that that list had been updated by the FIC guys. :) |
| 04:19.06 | jeddy3 | :) |
| 04:19.55 | orospakr | heh, obviously not, now that I have read it more closely. :) |
| 04:20.24 | jeddy3 | hmmm, <26 tickets per day...this could take a while :) |
| 04:21.10 | jeddy3 | off for work |
| 04:22.22 | ferric | Arachnid: you've not received stuff as well? |
| 04:22.29 | ckuethe | so it does have a control interface... seems like analog and digital sound representations can be routed arbitrarily |
| 04:23.13 | ckuethe | now we just need a way to be sure the mic is disabled |
| 04:23.25 | Arachnid | ferric: Nope |
| 04:23.32 | Arachnid | I got the YES_I_DO email |
| 04:23.41 | Arachnid | But no payment processed email |
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| 04:24.03 | ferric | k |
| 04:24.26 | ferric | i hope they haven't run into another snag. |
| 04:24.48 | ckuethe | beyond having to manually print 1000 shipping labels and stuff 1000 shipping boxes? |
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| 04:26.43 | ferric | well, that doesn't explain sending one confirmation email out and stopping. |
| 04:27.42 | noidd | I feel y'alls impatience :-) |
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| 04:31.00 | sandos | hmm |
| 04:31.23 | sandos | Im thinking about the lack of UMTS... but it should be possible to buy a GTA02 and then use a UMTS/HSDPA USB-modem, no? ;) |
| 04:31.37 | sandos | then I have my beloved HSDPA/WLAN combo dream phone... heh |
| 04:31.49 | sandos | well, modulo software ;) |
| 04:32.36 | sandos | well, also modulo USB-power I guess |
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| 04:53.50 | xkr47 | no confirm yet :) |
| 04:53.54 | xkr47 | but that's ok |
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| 05:06.25 | cibomahto | cm: congrats! |
| 05:06.38 | CM | Thanks :) |
| 05:06.59 | CM | Just hoping it gets here quickly... Since I'll be off for vacation son |
| 05:08.15 | cibomahto | yeah... i'm hoping mine either gets shipped in the next week or in a month, cause i'll be on vacation too |
| 05:13.40 | CM | Nice that the shipping was only 37USD instead of 81 like it said in the shop |
| 05:14.36 | cibomahto | quite a plus |
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| 05:17.09 | ferric | CM: awesome! when did you get the email? |
| 05:17.42 | xkr47 | CM, :)) |
| 05:24.14 | xkr47 | must be interesting for the FIC america office to start developing new processes for getting phones directly to customers |
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| 05:31.47 | sannes | CM : What order number where you again ? |
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| 05:35.01 | sannes | CM: hehe, nevermind, early number .. I'm like a little bit later :) |
| 05:36.32 | ferric | welp. mine hasn't been shipped yet. sigh. |
| 05:36.48 | sannes | ferric : your number ? |
| 05:37.45 | ferric | 2713 |
| 05:39.26 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Arizona]] [[P1_Owners]] [[User_talk:Nod_huang]] |
| 05:39.35 | xkr47 | wonder how many phones have been ordered by tickets 1820 - 2819 |
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| 05:40.59 | CM | I only know that around 250 out of the 350 first tickets were real order |
| 05:41.04 | CM | s |
| 05:41.15 | sannes | My order number is 1848 and I have still not received an "Payment received" number, then again 1821 seem to be one of the first numbers .. hehe |
| 05:41.29 | xkr47 | that would be 714 out of 1000 |
| 05:41.43 | sannes | CM : When did you receive the e-mail? |
| 05:41.47 | xkr47 | sannes, actually, that is the second number :) |
| 05:42.31 | CM | sannes: 5h ago |
| 05:42.43 | ferric | sannes: 1820 was the first one |
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| 05:43.36 | CM | xkr47: At worst. I guess they got more and more tickets that were not orders, since all mails without a proper tickt number gets a new one assigned |
| 05:43.59 | xkr47 | mm |
| 05:45.10 | sannes | I don't see any movement from my bank account, hmm .. |
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| 05:53.02 | ferric | sannes: what # are you? |
| 05:53.06 | ferric | oh 1848. |
| 05:53.07 | ferric | hm |
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| 06:19.49 | sannes | CM : Did you order basic or advanced? |
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| 06:20.09 | CM | sannes: Basic |
| 06:20.14 | Rince | aaaaaa/win 23 |
| 06:20.42 | CM | Rince: That's a lot of windows :) |
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| 06:21.11 | Rince | not really, since I have roundabout 65 running right now.. |
| 06:21.11 | Rince | ;) |
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| 06:21.37 | CM | Ouch.. I try to keep it under 10 so I can use alt+<num> |
| 06:22.55 | xkr47 | CM, /win 80 ;-) |
| 06:23.11 | xkr47 | CM, I have alt-keys for all 80 windows :-) |
| 06:23.23 | CM | Hehe |
| 06:23.34 | xkr47 | alt-1..0, q..p, a..ö, z..- and then alt-shift- the same |
| 06:24.03 | xkr47 | http://xkr47.outerspace.dyndns.org/tmp/irssi-79-windows |
| 06:31.18 | ScaredyCat | CM: email ? |
| 06:31.30 | CM | ScaredyCat: Yes, about 6h ago :) |
| 06:32.04 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 06:32.07 | ScaredyCat | nothing here |
| 06:32.17 | CM | Nice that the shipping was 44 USD cheaper than the online store said |
| 06:33.03 | ScaredyCat | you have tracking too ? |
| 06:33.22 | CM | Not yet |
| 06:33.37 | sannes | I'm hoping for cheaper shipping aswell, $127 is a bit steep... hehe :P |
| 06:33.49 | CM | sannes: Ouch. Where are you at? |
| 06:34.10 | sannes | CM : Norway, (advanced kit) |
| 06:34.28 | CM | Ah, ok. :) |
| 06:34.42 | CM | sannes: Planning on doing u-boot stuff or so? |
| 06:34.57 | CM | Or just liking the case? :P |
| 06:35.06 | sannes | CM : yes, among other things :) |
| 06:35.20 | ScaredyCat | I guess they got tired after packing 2 boxes ;) |
| 06:35.26 | sannes | hehehe |
| 06:36.00 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hehe, yeah, Jouston Huang shouldn't tire himself.. |
| 06:36.05 | sannes | CM: I liked the casing aswell :) |
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| 06:37.37 | ScaredyCat | back to work slacker |
| 06:37.41 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 06:37.49 | CM | Hehe |
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| 06:44.34 | ScaredyCat | the rate at which they're processing seems...errrm.... not good... |
| 06:45.39 | xkr47 | it seems like they could just barely handle the 100k phones per month fic is capable of ;-) |
| 06:46.13 | xkr47 | but it's understandable that it's completely new stuff for them and requires setting up new processes etc |
| 06:47.04 | guaqua | fic has been a subcontractor before or? |
| 06:47.46 | Aria | Yeah. |
| 06:47.49 | Aria | Nokia at least |
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| 06:50.44 | ScaredyCat | xkr47: sure, but they should have started the process earlier.. |
| 06:51.01 | ScaredyCat | and not made the dev guys do it |
| 06:51.16 | ScaredyCat | I need coffee... |
| 06:51.36 | CM | Yeah, poor LaF0rge |
| 06:51.41 | xkr47 | a lot of "should"s.. but they're doing their best, and I'm happy with whatever that is :) |
| 06:51.42 | Aria | No kidding |
| 06:52.09 | ScaredyCat | CM: he's just a pussy ;) |
| 06:52.23 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hehe :P |
| 06:52.49 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: attack xkr47 |
| 06:52.58 | ScaredyCat | useless bot |
| 06:53.19 | xkr47 | it's another "should" :) |
| 06:54.05 | ScaredyCat | tbh I feel for him, If I didn't know any better I'd suspect he was working with the same people I did o my last but 1 project.. |
| 06:55.44 | ScaredyCat | I still feel bad about htat one, so much so that I drive an extra 30 km just so I don't go near the place again... |
| 06:56.18 | xkr47 | sounds like some nuclear fallout zone |
| 06:56.24 | xkr47 | :P |
| 06:56.35 | *** part/#openmoko linux_galore (n=Richard@dsl-220-253-69-10.NSW.netspace.net.au) |
| 06:57.41 | ScaredyCat | well, didn't help that the owner turned out to be a crook... |
| 06:57.52 | ScaredyCat | but then it was telecoms, so that's normal |
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| 06:59.28 | CM | ScaredyCat: http://www.scottberkun.com/blog/2007/asshole-driven-development/ |
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| 07:00.44 | ScaredyCat | looks about right.... |
| 07:01.12 | ScaredyCat | but I worked 20 houes days for 4 years... |
| 07:01.20 | ScaredyCat | that's why I get to call him a pussy |
| 07:01.52 | CM | They better pay well for those hours |
| 07:02.06 | ScaredyCat | no, not really |
| 07:02.37 | ScaredyCat | but the entire team tried to make everything work, in spite of management fucking it up all the time |
| 07:03.02 | CM | ok |
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| 07:03.21 | ScaredyCat | seriously, they missed the manufacturing slot so went and brought a product we hadn't even tested |
| 07:04.10 | ScaredyCat | then we had to build stuff for that, even though the hardware didn't actually arrive until 1 day before deployment.. |
| 07:04.13 | happycube | ouch |
| 07:04.30 | ScaredyCat | that was when we discovered buts in the hardware.... |
| 07:04.40 | ScaredyCat | bugs |
| 07:04.57 | ScaredyCat | it just went on and on.... |
| 07:05.27 | daMaestro | so are there any known hardware issues with gta01v4? |
| 07:05.44 | ScaredyCat | I have no recollection of that at this time |
| 07:06.29 | ynezz | i like to collect gadgets with hw issues |
| 07:06.43 | CM | ynezz: What's wrong with you? :P |
| 07:07.05 | ScaredyCat | there's a difference... collecting them could be fun... |
| 07:07.10 | ScaredyCat | relying on them isn't |
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| 07:07.52 | ynezz | who would rely on neo? :) |
| 07:08.10 | ScaredyCat | users ;) |
| 07:08.48 | ynezz | but thats by end of the year... |
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| 07:08.58 | ScaredyCat | which year ? ;) |
| 07:09.05 | ynezz | that's a question :) |
| 07:09.31 | ScaredyCat | at the rate of 2 a day.... |
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| 07:12.11 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:23.28 | jeddy3 | CM, you got your confirmation? |
| 07:23.59 | CM | jeddy3: Yes |
| 07:24.15 | jeddy3 | nice |
| 07:25.21 | jeddy3 | anyone with a little higher number? :) |
| 07:28.22 | ScaredyCat | http://flickr.com/photos/stillframe/tags/itrapped/show/ |
| 07:29.37 | bluefir | Hiya. Anyone know what's up with the bug in the cursor movement rendering in gtkterm? |
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| 07:31.49 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: How long did the bot last? |
| 07:32.00 | ScaredyCat | just dies |
| 07:32.03 | ScaredyCat | just died |
| 07:32.15 | ScaredyCat | [2007-07-19 08:28:03] <-- mokobot has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). |
| 07:32.37 | ScaredyCat | [2007-07-19 08:31:45] <ScaredyCat> just died |
| 07:32.42 | ewanm89_laptop | Ah, I woke up at a luck time then. |
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| 07:33.09 | ewanm89_laptop | Last info in bot log: [ 2958] <ScaredyCat/#openmoko> at the rate of 2 a day.... |
| 07:33.33 | ScaredyCat | [2007-07-19 08:09:12] <ScaredyCat> at the rate of 2 a day.... |
| 07:33.57 | ScaredyCat | there was other activity after that... I guess it missed it |
| 07:34.22 | ewanm89_laptop | 22mins and 53seconds ago, f#$£ing internet connection. |
| 07:34.39 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: Not acording to the bot. |
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| 07:38.41 | ScaredyCat | there was lots... we were saying that we all got our neo's |
| 07:39.06 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] |
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| 07:48.52 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: You know how onjoin works in the bot? |
| 07:49.46 | cjb_ie | ScaredyCat: it was amazing, everybody got twice what they ordered! |
| 07:50.32 | ewanm89_laptop | ??? |
| 07:50.51 | ewanm89_laptop | They sent out 2 of each to each address? |
| 07:51.38 | cjb_ie | sorry, that may have been a failed attempt at humour on my part. |
| 07:51.55 | ewanm89_laptop | Ah. |
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| 07:55.35 | Zenton | hi all |
| 07:55.51 | ewanm89_laptop | Hi |
| 07:56.03 | Zenton | as I see in the topic, openmoko device is not already shipped from EU, isnt it? |
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| 07:56.48 | ewanm89_laptop | Zenton: No, only shipping from FIC offices california. |
| 07:57.00 | Zenton | thanks ewanm89_laptop. |
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| 07:57.20 | PBeck | hi |
| 07:57.25 | ewanm89_laptop | Hi |
| 07:57.34 | PBeck | hey ewanm89_laptop |
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| 08:19.46 | nilweed | Hi, I am following the MokoMakefile wiki instructions located at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile. I am getting stuck at the "make openmoko-devel-image" step. I get the error shown at http://pastebin.com/m11caaea6. Any suggestions on how to solve this problem? Is there some .spec file to edit for the cross-compiler? I'm running Ubuntu Feisty 7.04 / amd64. Thanks in advance. |
| 08:26.24 | ScaredyCat | look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:MokoMakefile |
| 08:26.40 | ScaredyCat | it has something about that -Qy issue |
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| 09:02.51 | Stephmw | g'morning |
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| 09:06.24 | ewanm89_laptop | Morning. |
| 09:07.07 | nilweed | ScaredyCat: thanks for the link. Looks like I get past the error if I do PATH="/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin" make openmoko-devel-image. |
| 09:09.11 | mokobot | ScaredyCat: You've got botmail. |
| 09:10.21 | ScaredyCat | I've got bigger problems mokobot .. all my list mail ist getting forwarded to my mobile... |
| 09:10.24 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
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| 09:10.58 | mokobot | ScaredyCat: So your bill just skyrocketed. |
| 09:11.19 | ScaredyCat | whooosh.... |
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| 09:12.52 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: botmail would be good if the person got a msg to say they got some. |
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| 09:13.06 | pitux | hi |
| 09:13.12 | ewanm89_laptop | Hit |
| 09:13.13 | ScaredyCat | did you send it then |
| 09:13.16 | ewanm89_laptop | s/t// |
| 09:13.16 | mokobot | ewanm89_laptop meant: Hi |
| 09:13.19 | ScaredyCat | rather than the bot |
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| 09:13.30 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 09:13.55 | bedboi | cool, i will get one while in the States |
| 09:14.10 | mokobot | ScaredyCat: My master is authorised enough to make me talk. |
| 09:14.38 | bedboi | I hope that they will not be sold out the time I will get there. |
| 09:15.09 | pitux | http://jouston.no-ip.com/archives/000227.html |
| 09:17.04 | ScaredyCat | dead |
| 09:17.37 | pitux | ScaredyCat what? |
| 09:17.48 | ScaredyCat | that link.. |
| 09:17.50 | ScaredyCat | dead |
| 09:17.51 | pitux | no |
| 09:17.58 | ewanm89_laptop | It's not here. |
| 09:17.58 | pitux | Yes. It is an exciting news for me. |
| 09:17.59 | pitux | Finally we are going to send Neo 1973 out by UPS, one by one. |
| 09:17.59 | pitux | Want more good news? Yes, all of you can take advantage from the shipping rate. No matter where you live, when you place your order or you are pretty or not, all of you, our best partner and customers. |
| 09:17.59 | pitux | You are worry your order keep too long? OK. We are really sorry for our slow progress but we will do our best to process your order. |
| 09:17.59 | pitux | Stay tune, Neo 1973 is on the way to your desk. |
| 09:18.29 | ScaredyCat | ta |
| 09:18.57 | ScaredyCat | but they don;t appear to have actually sent any at all. |
| 09:20.09 | bedboi | it's not reassuring that it is on the way to the desk... A phone is supposed to be on your pocket or similar :) |
| 09:20.23 | bedboi | s/on/in |
| 09:20.31 | pitux | bedboi ^^ |
| 09:21.23 | bedboi | well if you brick it, then the desk is the perfect place to store the device ;) |
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| 09:22.27 | ScaredyCat | ! |
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| 09:25.29 | ScaredyCat | ewanm89_laptop: not only is it sending the mail to my mobile... I'm currently roaming... so it's about 10 milion euro per byte |
| 09:27.00 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: got a lot of brick on my desk |
| 09:27.19 | bedboi | (mainly in the form of books) |
| 09:27.22 | wibbit | ScaredyCat: Be careful, I think you'll find some places charge per bit :) |
| 09:27.25 | ScaredyCat | I didn't mean that kind of brick... |
| 09:27.55 | ScaredyCat | wibbit: yeah, go on cheer me up... |
| 09:29.30 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: i know, btw you should see what kind of books i have on my desk. They could easily considered bricks |
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| 09:30.42 | ScaredyCat | Fundamentals of spherical design methodologies utilizing partial theory ? |
| 09:33.03 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: lol |
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| 09:33.41 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: what you need is something like imap so you only download the list. |
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| 09:34.21 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: wait i tell you one: "Multiple-input describing function and nonlinear system design" |
| 09:34.25 | ScaredyCat | wel, it was a special account I'd created, just to be notified when my neo was paid for last weekend |
| 09:34.41 | ScaredyCat | turned out I didn't need it... |
| 09:34.58 | ScaredyCat | but now my filter is messed up, and it's forwarding list mail :) |
| 09:35.36 | ScaredyCat | sounds riveting bedboi - does it have pictures? |
| 09:35.49 | bedboi | AHAHAH |
| 09:36.03 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: yep, funny "pictures" of nonlinear describing functions |
| 09:36.09 | bedboi | you can call them pictures |
| 09:37.14 | wibbit | ScaredyCat: :) |
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| 09:38.44 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: You forwarding all mail that has neo or openmoko in? |
| 09:38.55 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 09:39.01 | ScaredyCat | not any more :) |
| 09:39.06 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Finger_based_Ebook_Reader]] [[Talk:GPS_Navigation]] [[GPS_Navigation]] |
| 09:39.09 | ScaredyCat | rt.openmoko... |
| 09:39.10 | ewanm89_laptop | You were? |
| 09:39.20 | ewanm89_laptop | oh. |
| 09:39.35 | ScaredyCat | the list mail was going elsewhere... |
| 09:39.50 | ScaredyCat | so it wasn;t an issue... until I broke it |
| 09:40.39 | ewanm89_laptop | hehehe |
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| 10:10.16 | SpeedEvil | Is there a user-space-USB-host solution? I would like to write a driver for a non-supported chip - connected to an I2C bus. But I'd like to have all the normal USB stuff happen with it, for it to be recognised as a normal USB host. Can this be done? Or do I need a kernel driver. |
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| 10:12.18 | nbd | SpeedEvil: imho you need to write a kernel driver |
| 10:12.23 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 10:12.32 | SpeedEvil | Thought that might be the case. |
| 10:12.58 | SpeedEvil | I've poked the maker asking about linux drivers, but with no response so far. |
| 10:13.04 | SpeedEvil | And no great hope. |
| 10:13.21 | roh | SpeedEvil do you have a datasheet? |
| 10:13.39 | SpeedEvil | maxim ... |
| 10:14.25 | roh | ? |
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| 10:15.17 | SpeedEvil | http://www.maxim-ic.com/quick_view2.cfm/qv_pk/3639 |
| 10:17.37 | SpeedEvil | Umm - SPI - not I2C. |
| 10:18.13 | roh | yep |
| 10:18.44 | cjb_ie | hmmm, i've always found maxim datasheets good in the past |
| 10:19.55 | SpeedEvil | There is a difference between a good datasheet and a kernel driver though :) |
| 10:20.14 | SpeedEvil | Especially if your only kernel hacking is spelling fixes. |
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| 10:21.32 | cjb_ie | true, i've never done proper kernel hacking, just minimalist embedded stuff to talk usb, serial etc - PICs and the like |
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| 10:28.18 | roh | SpeedEvil i would recommend waiting for the generic spi framework to be in place and then write a hcd kernel driver. |
| 10:28.45 | roh | since it can also be client it also could be a generic driver which can be switched to hcd or gadget |
| 10:29.07 | ScaredyCat | meh! |
| 10:29.20 | roh | the generic spi framework is also needed for wireless in gta02, so it cannot take too long ;) |
| 10:31.53 | SpeedEvil | Is the SPI bus exposed on the debug connector? - or rather - is there only one SPI bus? |
| 10:32.51 | SpeedEvil | I assume there is at least one seperate one used for the SD card. |
| 10:33.20 | SpeedEvil | SPI+ - or whatever the proper name is for the wide variant that SD cards use. |
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| 10:38.55 | roh | SpeedEvil there is spi on the debug connector, yes. and also a irq-capable gpio ;) |
| 10:39.09 | SpeedEvil | I mean - what's connected to that bus? |
| 10:39.26 | SpeedEvil | Apart from obviously the CPU :) |
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| 10:41.44 | roh | SpeedEvil nothing. its free |
| 10:42.02 | SpeedEvil | Thanks! |
| 10:42.38 | SpeedEvil | Current design for my stuff is to plug into the debug and bluetooth connectors. |
| 10:42.59 | roh | the i2c is shared with other devices. |
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| 10:43.06 | SpeedEvil | Flex-pcb is fun. |
| 10:43.34 | nbd | roh: hi |
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| 11:40.06 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Template:Note/ar]] [[Translation]] [[User:%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%AC%D9%85%D8%A7%D9%8605]] [[Main_Page/ar]] [[Talk:Preferences]] [[Template:Languages]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Wish_List]] |
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| 12:24.51 | squalyl | greetings everyone |
| 12:24.57 | squalyl | I have a small build problem |
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| 12:25.14 | squalyl | ERROR: No buildable providers available for required build target openmoko-devel-image |
| 12:25.21 | squalyl | could you give me a clue? |
| 12:25.21 | aloril | squalyl: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 12:27.29 | ewanm89_laptop | squalyl: Do you have bikbale installed? |
| 12:27.41 | woglinde | ewan he has |
| 12:28.10 | woglinde | ovewise he wouldnt have the ERROR messages |
| 12:28.23 | squalyl | yes it is |
| 12:28.36 | squalyl | I successfully built some days ago |
| 12:29.03 | squalyl | I had to get bitbake version 1.8 because 1.6 gave me a sanity check error |
| 12:29.52 | Sup3rkiddo | hello all |
| 12:30.20 | woglinde | bye |
| 12:30.27 | ewanm89_laptop | woglinde: It is an error message. |
| 12:30.54 | woglinde | ewan right an Messages that only bitbake can throw |
| 12:31.16 | ewanm89_laptop | Um, that was next conclusion. |
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| 12:32.17 | ewanm89_laptop | squalyl: Can you pastebin more output than that, or is that all that is given? |
| 12:32.27 | squalyl | ok |
| 12:32.57 | squalyl | http://www.pastebin.ca/626123 |
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| 12:34.56 | squalyl | I switched to bitbake 1.8 because I updated openembedded to the latest, and the sanity check blamed my 1.6.9 version |
| 12:35.54 | ewanm89_laptop | I'M USING 1.8.6 HERE. |
| 12:36.09 | ewanm89_laptop | Sorry about the caps. |
| 12:36.32 | squalyl | is there any noticeable changes in openembedded? I guess avoiding "mtn update" will help... |
| 12:36.56 | ewanm89_laptop | Well I'm updating now. |
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| 12:42.22 | buz | nokia touts AGPS now http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/07/19/nokia_launches_a-gps_service/ |
| 12:42.37 | buz | (mostly because their GPS seems to be terribly slow at getting a fix, anybody knows what chipset they use?) |
| 12:44.22 | buz | looks like some TI chip |
| 12:45.00 | buz | http://www.n95users.com/forum/general-95/1090-gps-chipset.html |
| 12:45.01 | ewanm89_laptop | It's probably quite a bad one then. |
| 12:46.03 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
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| 12:51.43 | DukeOfUrl | SpeedEvil: A friend's father, working for TI, was on the original design of GPS. Don't know if TI has GPS products. |
| 12:52.39 | DukeOfUrl | They may have products for DoD only |
| 12:55.03 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfUrl: the URL posted earlier implied it did. |
| 12:55.18 | SpeedEvil | They have the annoying 'split' policy. |
| 12:55.36 | SpeedEvil | Whereby many interesting but hard to use chips are only available to qualified end-users. |
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| 13:16.03 | squalyl | um... So what about bitbake ? ... |
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| 13:24.10 | squalyl | OK so it works with the wiki's recommended monotone repository revision. |
| 13:26.21 | squalyl | (uh! what about this huge users list? all of them are openmoko developers?) |
| 13:26.40 | ScaredyCat | users list? |
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| 13:30.06 | ScaredyCat | email yet Kero? |
| 13:31.20 | Sup3rkiddo | any idea how many orders got confirmed |
| 13:31.49 | summatusmentis | as far as I know, only 1 |
| 13:32.02 | juco | confirmed? |
| 13:32.08 | ScaredyCat | 2 |
| 13:32.11 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm..that jason freak =D |
| 13:32.20 | juco | oh, after the YES_I_DO or CANCEL email? |
| 13:32.20 | summatusmentis | yeah, who's the second one? |
| 13:32.21 | ScaredyCat | CM also |
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| 13:32.31 | summatusmentis | oh, lucky |
| 13:32.38 | zedstar | im about 20th on the list and nada so far |
| 13:32.43 | summatusmentis | juco: yeah, 2 people apparently had their cards charged |
| 13:32.49 | Kero | no mail here |
| 13:32.57 | Kero | 25th on the list |
| 13:33.02 | ScaredyCat | so by my estimation, by thursday next wek they should have got to mine.. |
| 13:33.17 | Sup3rkiddo | is it ok that "Re" was prepended with regards to YES_I_DO mail? |
| 13:33.28 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 13:33.39 | ScaredyCat | rt isn't that useless :) |
| 13:34.13 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, am more paranoid thats all...:P |
| 13:34.13 | ScaredyCat | but they really should have ack'd both cancel and YID messages |
| 13:34.26 | Kero | indeed |
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| 13:38.15 | aloril | ooh, 2 now, 1/day? ;-) |
| 13:38.44 | ScaredyCat | neither appear to have shipped |
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| 13:38.56 | Sup3rkiddo | aloril, lol, then our order will get confirmed 2 1/2 years later |
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| 13:39.14 | alech | great, after I did not get a first order confirmation, I ordered again, and am about 2000 orders later. |
| 13:39.36 | ScaredyCat | alech: you'll get yours in 2020 then |
| 13:39.41 | cheesy | how many orders are there actually |
| 13:39.43 | alech | :-/ |
| 13:39.46 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Group_Order]] [[Main_Page/ar]] [[Template:Languages/ar]] |
| 13:39.54 | ScaredyCat | around 1200 cheesy |
| 13:39.55 | aloril | Kero: yeah, I guess they are testing |
| 13:40.08 | cheesy | that's good :) |
| 13:40.20 | alech | ScaredyCat: how do you know? |
| 13:40.20 | aloril | mass market should be known thing for them, business <-> business for 20 years |
| 13:40.35 | ScaredyCat | I scan irc logs alech :) |
| 13:40.37 | cheesy | i wonder if i wait for p1+ or however the HW update is called |
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| 13:40.58 | ScaredyCat | p2 |
| 13:40.59 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 13:40.59 | alech | for what? ;-) |
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| 13:41.28 | ScaredyCat | people like roh saying "about 1200" |
| 13:41.32 | PBeck | hi |
| 13:41.34 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 13:42.21 | ScaredyCat | someone did some clcs fo ht e wiki |
| 13:42.30 | alech | hmmm, but didn't RT tickets start around 1800? |
| 13:42.39 | alech | my order is 3706 |
| 13:42.50 | alech | which would mean 700 retracted ... |
| 13:42.54 | ScaredyCat | yes, but rt is used for all their tickets |
| 13:42.58 | ScaredyCat | not just orders |
| 13:42.58 | alech | ah, ok |
| 13:43.12 | alech | hmmm, not that they could/should use different queues for that |
| 13:43.36 | cheesy | counter |
| 13:43.36 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-19 00:49) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 65% in 23:08:11 (0.964±1.0 days) (1758;248) |
| 13:43.42 | ScaredyCat | don't get me started... |
| 13:43.58 | empty_mind | hmm so is that rt tickets were generataed after ceratin number of orders or rt tickets were issues for all the orders ? |
| 13:44.38 | ScaredyCat | no,, rt tickets for orders (even spam gets a ticket no) |
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| 13:45.43 | Sup3rkiddo | question: is there an expansion for rt? |
| 13:46.21 | ScaredyCat | extension? |
| 13:46.45 | ScaredyCat | http://bestpractical.com/rt |
| 13:47.01 | Sup3rkiddo | boy, am i dumb |
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| 13:47.37 | Sup3rkiddo | i was about to ask, "what does rt mean with regards to request tracker thingy?" |
| 13:48.03 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 13:49.35 | dtx | hola |
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| 13:50.35 | ewanm89_laptop | Hello |
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| 13:51.32 | woglinde | re ewan |
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| 13:52.16 | dtx | They shipping 'em yet? |
| 13:52.31 | woglinde | yes |
| 13:52.42 | dtx | I mean, has anyone gotten one yet? |
| 13:52.44 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: jason1 |
| 13:52.55 | woglinde | lol |
| 13:53.05 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: Just remember to pass it on to me. |
| 13:53.20 | Sup3rkiddo | the worse thing is his nick...appended 1 to piss me off =S |
| 13:53.33 | mokobot | Yes, master |
| 13:53.33 | woglinde | hm I didnt turned my moko for over 3 weeks on |
| 13:53.47 | woglinde | its getting a little bit dusty |
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| 13:54.51 | ewanm89_laptop | lol |
| 13:55.35 | dtx | so are there libs for use with the Neo so that I could place calls and play audio to/record audio from the remote end? |
| 13:55.44 | dtx | That are working, I mean. |
| 13:56.31 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: software? is <reply> The answer to most software questions are no. |
| 13:56.31 | mokobot | okay, ewanm89_laptop |
| 13:56.40 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: software? |
| 13:56.40 | mokobot | The answer to most software questions are no. |
| 13:57.33 | dtx | Well, thats with full programs |
| 13:57.44 | dtx | I'm just wondering if the libs to place and receive calls are in place |
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| 14:00.08 | ewanm89_laptop | dtx: If alsa can handle it? |
| 14:00.12 | alech | dtx: gsmd? |
| 14:00.26 | alech | no idea about the audio redirection, though |
| 14:00.51 | woglinde | dtx yes they are |
| 14:01.18 | snatches | has anyone tried to display Flash multimedia content on their NEO? |
| 14:01.27 | woglinde | no |
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| 14:01.34 | mjr | audio redirection, afaik, goes through setting the mixer properly and playing/recording audio |
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| 14:01.46 | woglinde | didnt compile gnuflash yet |
| 14:03.38 | snatches | how about the web broswer version, is that even shipping with the developer version at this point? |
| 14:04.04 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: software |
| 14:04.04 | mokobot | The answer to most software questions are no. |
| 14:04.09 | SpeedEvil | I don't _think_ there is a browser. |
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| 14:05.07 | snatches | http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-base-04-software.html |
| 14:05.24 | snatches | this map says there is one, but wouldn't surprise me if it isn't included yet |
| 14:06.08 | snatches | I'm trying to figure out if the phone could be utilized as a mobile learning device |
| 14:06.26 | empty_mind | snatches, great idea |
| 14:07.12 | snatches | well, we already specialize in flash content so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to mold something for a mobile device, if it supports Flash |
| 14:07.32 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't. |
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| 14:07.38 | SpeedEvil | There is the GPL flash thing. |
| 14:07.45 | empty_mind | wow we have a bot |
| 14:07.52 | dtx | So what is the problem with the dialer? Recording and playback through SDL is simple, and if the libs support dialing and send/receive of audio where is the problem? |
| 14:07.53 | empty_mind | !mokobot help |
| 14:07.56 | snatches | oh crap, that's right |
| 14:07.57 | empty_mind | ? |
| 14:07.59 | SpeedEvil | But, basically not working for significant flash. |
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| 14:08.27 | snatches | well, technically SWF is an open format, but swish sucks |
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| 14:09.22 | snatches | so unless i can find someone who has a phone and attempts to install the Flash player, I have my answer |
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| 14:09.50 | snatches | *waiting for someone to take the bait* |
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| 14:10.11 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: wtf have you just done with the bot. |
| 14:10.27 | ScaredyCat | I'm training it to be my bitch |
| 14:10.41 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: Ok, just so I know. |
| 14:10.51 | mjr | snatches, why don't you install gnash on your computer and try if your stuff works; if yes, it'll likely be able to run on Neo, modulo speed |
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| 14:12.00 | woglinde | snatches hm I will try at weekend maybe |
| 14:12.01 | woglinde | e |
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| 14:12.02 | mokobot | Hello master |
| 14:12.05 | ScaredyCat | :x |
| 14:12.09 | ewanm89_laptop | Nice |
| 14:13.31 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: But can only I activate it? |
| 14:13.37 | ScaredyCat | nope... |
| 14:13.40 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 14:13.52 | ewanm89_laptop | lol |
| 14:13.54 | woglinde | lol |
| 14:14.03 | woglinde | so bye for now |
| 14:14.07 | ScaredyCat | bye |
| 14:14.21 | ewanm89_laptop | Can you do it to someone elses nick? |
| 14:15.23 | mokobot | galexande: eer! |
| 14:16.24 | ScaredyCat | galexande: what's your order number |
| 14:17.00 | galexande | 1841 |
| 14:17.07 | *** join/#openmoko j_ack (n=j_ack@p508D81D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:17.14 | galexande | once they get the batch going i'll be rigth away |
| 14:17.20 | ScaredyCat | galexande: /cycle |
| 14:17.26 | galexande | ? |
| 14:17.32 | ScaredyCat | type it |
| 14:17.41 | galexande | *** Unknown command: CYCLE |
| 14:17.46 | *** join/#openmoko Gorth2 (n=Gorth2@0x5551d1e2.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 14:17.47 | ScaredyCat | pfft |
| 14:17.49 | phrozen77_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.03 | ewanm89_laptop | you want to do so. |
| 14:18.14 | ewanm89_laptop | knowing what he put in. |
| 14:18.29 | galexande | uh? |
| 14:18.30 | dtx | So who is going to be the first person to build a giant robot controlled by a Neo which still has more intelligence and character than any in the Transformers movie? |
| 14:18.37 | ewanm89_laptop | part then join will work. |
| 14:18.46 | galexande | ah! |
| 14:18.47 | *** part/#openmoko galexande (n=greg@shed.goonies.be) |
| 14:18.51 | *** join/#openmoko galexande (n=greg@shed.goonies.be) |
| 14:18.51 | mokobot | Come in #1841 your time is up |
| 14:19.20 | Sup3rkiddo | mokobot, fetch water |
| 14:19.31 | empty_mind | mokobot, dance |
| 14:19.47 | ScaredyCat | you visit bash.org too much |
| 14:19.47 | empty_mind | what can we do with this bot ? |
| 14:19.49 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 14:19.49 | *** join/#openmoko indro (i=indro@212.103.66.234) |
| 14:20.00 | Sup3rkiddo | either i am stupid, or this bot is smart |
| 14:20.05 | ScaredyCat | both |
| 14:20.08 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 14:20.15 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: What do you want it to do? |
| 14:20.32 | ScaredyCat | ewanm89_laptop: eh? |
| 14:20.39 | ewanm89_laptop | s/ScaredyCat/Sup3rkiddo/ |
| 14:20.40 | mokobot | ewanm89_laptop meant: Sup3rkiddo: What do you want it to do? |
| 14:20.55 | CM | mokobot: Stop copying apt ;) |
| 14:20.57 | ScaredyCat | I want it to give me a prcise time for my CC being charged and my neo shipping |
| 14:21.22 | ewanm89_laptop | CM: Um, technically they are the same bot system. |
| 14:21.26 | empty_mind | err ewanm89_laptop dont you think this question should be directed to me ? |
| 14:21.52 | ewanm89_laptop | empty_mind: Yeah, you too. |
| 14:22.06 | empty_mind | ewanm89_laptop, answer trivia ? |
| 14:22.07 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: Get me access to FICs DB then. |
| 14:22.22 | CM | ewanm89_laptop: Sure, but shouldn't it be possible to turn off regexps? |
| 14:22.33 | ewanm89_laptop | CM: It is. |
| 14:22.37 | ScaredyCat | didn't work |
| 14:22.42 | snatches | does gnash run on windows? |
| 14:22.51 | empty_mind | can mokobot takeover counter from aloril |
| 14:23.17 | ScaredyCat | should do, since aloril is about as accurate as a stick |
| 14:23.22 | CM | snatches: swfdec works better for me |
| 14:23.28 | *** join/#openmoko koen (n=koen@81.187.73.203) |
| 14:23.33 | CM | On 64 bit linux that is.. |
| 14:23.41 | ScaredyCat | does it work properly |
| 14:23.51 | ewanm89_laptop | empty_mind: It's built in counter can onl do it to the day, but I might be able to intergrate the script. |
| 14:24.11 | snatches | maybe I should actually figure out what gnash is before I start asking questions :) |
| 14:24.20 | CM | :D |
| 14:24.26 | empty_mind | ewanm89_laptop, oh integrating should be easy |
| 14:24.35 | empty_mind | ewanm89_laptop, which bot package are you using ? |
| 14:24.44 | ewanm89_laptop | blootbot |
| 14:24.45 | ScaredyCat | !googlefight mickey|slides LaF0rge |
| 14:24.46 | cdbot2 | Google fights should be the format of 'random vs predictable' |
| 14:25.07 | ScaredyCat | !googlefight lettuce CM |
| 14:25.07 | cdbot2 | Google fights should be the format of 'random vs predictable' |
| 14:25.17 | ScaredyCat | useless bot |
| 14:25.19 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hehe |
| 14:25.30 | ewanm89_laptop | !googlefigh luttuce vs CM |
| 14:25.36 | ewanm89_laptop | !googlefight luttuce vs CM |
| 14:25.37 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: CM beats luttuce by 563,000,000 to 6,910! |
| 14:25.49 | ScaredyCat | smart arse |
| 14:25.50 | empty_mind | i think ScaredyCat first statement was correct |
| 14:26.00 | ScaredyCat | !googlefight mickey|slides vs LaF0rge |
| 14:26.02 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: mickey|slides beats LaF0rge by 86,800,000 to 528! |
| 14:26.05 | *** join/#openmoko amarsh04 (n=amarsh04@CPE-124-182-100-214.sa.bigpond.net.au) |
| 14:26.05 | empty_mind | !googlefight mickey|slides LaF0rge is infact 'random vs predictable' |
| 14:26.06 | ScaredyCat | ouch |
| 14:26.07 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: predictable' beats mickey|slides LaF0rge is infact 'random by 29,200,000 to 6! |
| 14:26.54 | ScaredyCat | !googlefight iphone neo |
| 14:26.56 | cdbot2 | Google fights should be the format of 'random vs predictable' |
| 14:26.56 | jeddy3 | :) |
| 14:26.59 | ScaredyCat | !googlefight iphone vs neo |
| 14:27.01 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: iphone beats neo by 134,000,000 to 83,800,000! |
| 14:27.16 | ScaredyCat | yah, but neo aint even shipping. |
| 14:27.18 | ewanm89_laptop | It can't Noooooooooooooooo! |
| 14:27.37 | ScaredyCat | !googlefight iphone-wookie-lemon vs neo |
| 14:27.38 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: neo beats iphone-wookie-lemon by 83,800,000 to 0! |
| 14:27.43 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 14:27.44 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: btw neo is not neo1973 :) |
| 14:27.52 | ScaredyCat | shh |
| 14:27.53 | bedboi | you cheated |
| 14:27.58 | bedboi | neo is also "the one" |
| 14:28.01 | ewanm89_laptop | bedboi: Not to google. |
| 14:28.04 | empty_mind | !googlefight iphone vs neo1973 |
| 14:28.05 | bedboi | aahah |
| 14:28.05 | SpeedEvil | snatches: there is no ARM flash from macromedia. The open-source flash solutions will be pretty much the same as on any platform. |
| 14:28.05 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: iphone beats neo1973 by 134,000,000 to 1,050,000! |
| 14:28.30 | empty_mind | !googlefight linux vs windows |
| 14:28.31 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: windows beats linux by 767,000,000 to 331,000,000! |
| 14:28.37 | SpeedEvil | !googlefight greenphone vs neo1973 |
| 14:28.38 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: neo1973 beats greenphone by 1,050,000 to 354,000! |
| 14:28.39 | empty_mind | bleh |
| 14:28.57 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: seen any signs of Neo1973's shipping? |
| 14:28.57 | mokobot | i haven't seen 'any signs of neo1973's shipping', ScaredyCat |
| 14:29.02 | empty_mind | !googlefight iphone vs openmoko |
| 14:29.03 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: iphone beats openmoko by 134,000,000 to 2,930,000! |
| 14:30.01 | mokobot | I'm coming back. (courtesy of ewanm89_laptop) |
| 14:30.01 | *** part/#openmoko mokobot (n=ewanm89@host86-151-100-166.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 14:30.11 | *** join/#openmoko mokobot (n=ewanm89@host86-151-100-166.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 14:30.34 | ewanm89_laptop | Hy |
| 14:30.41 | snatches | SpeedEvil: That's what I'm thinking, so at least there are a few options |
| 14:30.42 | ewanm89_laptop | s/Hy/Hey/ |
| 14:30.43 | mokobot | ewanm89_laptop meant: Hey |
| 14:31.00 | bedboi | !googlefight good vs bad |
| 14:31.01 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: good beats bad by 1,240,000,000 to 517,000,000! |
| 14:31.08 | bedboi | good always wins |
| 14:31.16 | *** join/#openmoko kiba (n=chatzill@adsl-215-248-4.aep.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:31.17 | *** join/#openmoko abraxa_ (n=abraxa@pD95FCF77.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:31.20 | kiba | hello there |
| 14:31.44 | snatches | In any case, I'm sure our Flash engine will need be modified to work properly. |
| 14:31.49 | kiba | I wish I can get my hand on it but it going to set me back 300 dollars :( |
| 14:31.52 | empty_mind | kiba, hello moko |
| 14:31.55 | ewanm89_laptop | !googlefight openmoko OR neo1973 OR neo-1973 vs iphone |
| 14:31.55 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: iphone beats openmoko OR neo1973 OR neo-1973 by 134,000,000 to 2,730,000! |
| 14:31.57 | Gorth2 | When I run OpenWoko on my PC, I get a distorted emulated phone. Some of the icons seems to be missing. I've followed the part on " Set your theme to OpenMoko" here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xoo. That didn't help. |
| 14:32.12 | Gorth2 | Any suggestions? Did I miss a step in the howto? |
| 14:32.36 | ewanm89_laptop | Gorth2: Um, it sometimes does that. |
| 14:32.59 | Gorth2 | ewanm89_laptop, Is there a workaround/solution for this problem? |
| 14:33.02 | kiba | Somehow, I am not really excited about iphone but I am excited about openmoko |
| 14:33.12 | *** join/#openmoko indro (i=indro@212.103.66.234) |
| 14:33.16 | ewanm89_laptop | kiba: So you should be. |
| 14:33.32 | ewanm89_laptop | Gorth2: Try to reflash the image? |
| 14:33.57 | kiba | buying an openmoko in October is going to have to wait for me |
| 14:34.02 | *** join/#openmoko loufoque (n=loufoque@smj33-1-82-233-64-48.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 14:34.21 | ScaredyCat | kiba: that's "October" |
| 14:34.37 | kiba | ScaredyCat: I don't have a job |
| 14:34.55 | kiba | while I do earn money, I already planned out what I am going to spend it on |
| 14:35.07 | kiba | so no openmoko phone this year |
| 14:35.18 | Gorth2 | ewanm89_laptop, I can't seem to find any link on the Wiki about reflashing. Do you have a link? ;) |
| 14:35.20 | Stephmw | kiba: unemployed, or <18? |
| 14:35.31 | kiba | under 18 |
| 14:35.50 | *** join/#openmoko gcb77 (n=gcb77@c-24-16-154-132.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 14:35.53 | *** join/#openmoko wooKieface (n=benjamin@x1-6-00-03-2f-29-99-b9.k958.webspeed.dk) |
| 14:35.58 | ewanm89_laptop | kiba: You aren't the only one, I have money but can't order a neo. |
| 14:36.12 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 14:36.17 | kiba | I am only making cents |
| 14:36.20 | *** join/#openmoko mokobot (n=ewanm89@host86-151-100-166.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 14:36.25 | kiba | and I never got a job, too unemployable |
| 14:36.50 | ScaredyCat | well, it just depends on what you're prepared to do ... |
| 14:36.54 | kiba | though I will get a new dell computer preinstalled with linux :D |
| 14:36.58 | ScaredyCat | I need a toe cleaner |
| 14:37.03 | *** part/#openmoko Tyrael (n=tyrael@213-140-6-114.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 14:37.07 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat |
| 14:37.13 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: |
| 14:37.16 | SpeedEvil | Maybe the stylus would suit. |
| 14:37.23 | ScaredyCat | ooo... |
| 14:37.29 | ScaredyCat | there's an idea.. |
| 14:37.47 | ScaredyCat | boost the laser to burn off dirt |
| 14:37.51 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
| 14:37.56 | kiba | a location based video game... |
| 14:38.08 | sixfeet | counter |
| 14:38.09 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-19 00:49) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 65% in 22:40:55 (0.945±0.9 days) (1759;248) |
| 14:38.16 | SpeedEvil | The right solution to pricing would be to keep the pricing at $300 - even for 02 hardware. |
| 14:38.22 | SpeedEvil | Even if they make a modest loss. |
| 14:38.27 | SpeedEvil | Until it's user-ready |
| 14:38.27 | ScaredyCat | kiba: talking to a central server |
| 14:38.47 | kiba | eh, I never written this kind of game |
| 14:38.59 | ScaredyCat | proximity to other players |
| 14:39.11 | ScaredyCat | 'tag' them |
| 14:39.26 | kiba | a game developer like me don't have nearly the experience to write and market such a massive physical multiplayer video game |
| 14:39.36 | SpeedEvil | I think it's not impossible that one or two peoples may have shipped. |
| 14:40.08 | SpeedEvil | It's not impossible that a phone or two will arrive tomorrow IMO. |
| 14:40.08 | Kensan | kiba, but you could lead the community effor to develop a "massive physical multiplayer video game" |
| 14:40.08 | ScaredyCat | yea, Jason1 is having sex with his right now |
| 14:40.34 | kiba | Kensan: I am a businessman |
| 14:40.39 | kiba | sorta |
| 14:40.45 | kiba | but I would like to profit from my work |
| 14:40.45 | ScaredyCat | so.. |
| 14:40.54 | SpeedEvil | Opensource != no profit. |
| 14:41.00 | ScaredyCat | look at digg... it has bugger all value, but it's worth money |
| 14:41.03 | SpeedEvil | You can sell games to run on OM. |
| 14:41.05 | hena | bs |
| 14:41.09 | kiba | SpeedEvil: you don't know me |
| 14:41.13 | SpeedEvil | You can sell access to a server, ... |
| 14:41.14 | kiba | I am a Free software developer |
| 14:41.15 | ewanm89_laptop | Kensan: You just need to learn opensource business models. |
| 14:41.19 | Kensan | kiba: well as a business man I imagine you have a business model. |
| 14:41.22 | SpeedEvil | kiba: you don't know that I don't know you. |
| 14:41.26 | hena | open source or free software has nothing to do with money |
| 14:41.39 | SpeedEvil | kiba: I could be right outside your window, with a laptop. |
| 14:41.48 | kiba | community effort is not my kind of thing even though I write entirely Free softwares |
| 14:42.02 | Kensan | ewanm89_laptop: ? There's many very succesfull companies implementing such business models. |
| 14:42.05 | kiba | the community will not like me if I make a living off their hard work |
| 14:42.15 | ewanm89_laptop | Kensan: That was my point. |
| 14:42.18 | SpeedEvil | kiba: Do it right, and they will - or many of them. |
| 14:42.21 | kiba | though it is 100% legal |
| 14:42.24 | Kensan | kiba: why? Canonical is doing rather well don't you think? |
| 14:42.34 | SpeedEvil | kiba: 99.9% of /'us' have no problem with what FIC is doing. |
| 14:42.35 | ewanm89_laptop | And RedHat |
| 14:42.51 | empty_mind | and Novell |
| 14:42.54 | empty_mind | :-p |
| 14:42.56 | SpeedEvil | kiba: Even though they are benefiting from potentially huge developer effort. |
| 14:43.07 | Kensan | The point is to lead the community in a way where it is mutually beneficial and not one exploiting the other. |
| 14:43.08 | daMaestro | google |
| 14:43.21 | sixfeet | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.26 | empty_mind | and Microsoft |
| 14:43.27 | ewanm89_laptop | empty_mind: No, novell is M$s pet. |
| 14:43.35 | SpeedEvil | six: who knows. |
| 14:43.42 | kiba | Kensan: the problem is how do you compensate the developer who work with you to develop video game |
| 14:43.49 | dtx | The only people that don't like it when people make money off open source are the ones who don't actually know what open source is |
| 14:43.53 | SpeedEvil | six: IMO, it could hit well before october, if it all falls right. |
| 14:43.56 | sixfeet | SpeedEvil, thx ... and grml at waiting |
| 14:43.59 | dtx | You can sell, take and use it, thats the point |
| 14:44.09 | dtx | Just don't violate the license |
| 14:44.16 | daMaestro | hey, kiba, ... you should read: http://producingoss.com/ |
| 14:44.17 | Kensan | kiba: well that's where you as a business man come in. Enterpreneurs are the ones envisioning such models. |
| 14:44.34 | kiba | I never written a propertiary game |
| 14:44.37 | daMaestro | http://safari.oreilly.com/0596007590 , too |
| 14:44.41 | daMaestro | (both the same book) |
| 14:44.44 | squalyl | you can develop free software and sell it. it's not a problem. |
| 14:44.54 | ewanm89_laptop | kiba: It wouldn't be propietary. |
| 14:44.54 | Kensan | kiba: if you give back to the community in an appropriate way it will work. |
| 14:44.55 | squalyl | Free software means ~~ "source available" |
| 14:45.16 | squalyl | look at linux distro developers who sells CDs/DVDs |
| 14:45.16 | SpeedEvil | squalyl: nessacery, but not sufficient. |
| 14:45.17 | kiba | squalyl: more than that, it is about freedom |
| 14:45.19 | daMaestro | kiba, specifically: http://producingoss.com/en/money.html |
| 14:45.27 | SpeedEvil | squalyl: Some people have MS source. |
| 14:45.32 | squalyl | SpeedEvil > This was an abusive simplification ;) |
| 14:45.39 | SpeedEvil | squalyl: don't mean they can build and sell it. |
| 14:45.45 | dtx | I don't understand why open source is even an issue with game devs |
| 14:45.47 | squalyl | "freely available source" of you prefer :) |
| 14:45.51 | dtx | Use open source engine sell content |
| 14:46.02 | kiba | I make all my contents Free contents |
| 14:46.09 | SpeedEvil | dtx: There is significant IP in some of the engines. |
| 14:46.14 | dtx | And thats great too |
| 14:46.15 | daMaestro | dtx, this is why i love id software |
| 14:46.16 | kiba | even my blog is Free content |
| 14:46.25 | SpeedEvil | What about your food? |
| 14:46.27 | squalyl | you can charge users to pay the server bandwith etc... while keeping all software free! |
| 14:46.29 | SpeedEvil | Is it free? |
| 14:46.38 | kiba | SpeedEvil: I know what I am doing |
| 14:46.40 | *** join/#openmoko fiveplusone (n=six@cpe-66-65-15-60.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 14:46.52 | kiba | I make cents |
| 14:46.54 | sixfeet | gg |
| 14:46.58 | SpeedEvil | Good closed source can be good for a platform. |
| 14:47.05 | kiba | and an underage person for one |
| 14:47.11 | kiba | closed source no good |
| 14:47.14 | SpeedEvil | For example, $80 or so - for tomtom on the Neo1973 would be a big plus. |
| 14:47.17 | kiba | no excuse |
| 14:47.18 | squalyl | extremism no good |
| 14:47.18 | dtx | SpeedEvil: There is shared cost from developing an open source gaming engine |
| 14:47.35 | dtx | And what are you selling anyways the game or some engine thats just like a million other engines |
| 14:47.48 | *** join/#openmoko duffyd (n=tim@220-131-69-248.HINET-IP.hinet.net) |
| 14:48.23 | *** join/#openmoko LeFallen (n=fallen@220-245-199-68.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 14:48.27 | kiba | I will hopefully be the first to release a game on the openmoko platform |
| 14:48.38 | SpeedEvil | Well, unlikely. |
| 14:48.38 | squalyl | hehe |
| 14:48.44 | SpeedEvil | xlander is in there AIUI. |
| 14:48.47 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:49.10 | SpeedEvil | And I think someone tried nethack. |
| 14:49.17 | *** join/#openmoko Kingsqueak (n=who@c-68-38-166-84.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 14:49.19 | Qwell[] | nethack is cheating |
| 14:49.23 | Qwell[] | nethack runs on *everything* |
| 14:49.50 | squalyl | (huh! trying to bitbake a single package, I didn't though I would have to wait for all the "handling bitbake files" stufff X_X) |
| 14:49.57 | jadams | kiba: holy crap you're following me |
| 14:50.10 | SpeedEvil | qwell: pretty much. Lack of a keyb has problems though. |
| 14:50.16 | Qwell[] | keyb? |
| 14:50.18 | Qwell[] | oh |
| 14:50.28 | dtx | Qwell[]: qwerty |
| 14:50.29 | Qwell[] | not really... you can on-screen it |
| 14:50.30 | dtx | :-P |
| 14:50.38 | SpeedEvil | qwell: yes - you can. |
| 14:50.41 | *** join/#openmoko empty_mind (n=shark@59.176.111.177) |
| 14:50.46 | LeFallen | HI guys :) |
| 14:50.47 | dtx | You can only on screen one button press at a time |
| 14:50.51 | dtx | then whats the point |
| 14:50.56 | SpeedEvil | And for a game which typically involves 40000 keystrokes or so... |
| 14:51.06 | Qwell[] | it's a PITA, sure, but it'll run |
| 14:51.24 | SpeedEvil | Though you can probably ascend in 7000 if you're insanely leet. |
| 14:51.25 | Kingsqueak | so, can these actually be activated with a GSM carrier, say T-Mobile or Cingular? |
| 14:51.25 | aloril | Kingsqueak: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 14:51.39 | SpeedEvil | Kingsqueak: you generally just swap the SIM over. |
| 14:51.44 | SpeedEvil | Kingsqueak: and it just works. |
| 14:51.47 | Kingsqueak | cool |
| 14:52.03 | Kingsqueak | heh the bot trigger is amusing, worked ;-) |
| 14:52.17 | dtx | Someone port over FlightGear |
| 14:52.17 | dtx | hahaha |
| 14:52.42 | SpeedEvil | Sliding block, and ball-maze games might be fun to do with the accels. |
| 14:52.46 | dtx | That would be awesome |
| 14:52.56 | LeFallen | Quick question if I may: I can't seem to mount the gadgetfs file - unknown fs type apparently. Anyone had this issue? |
| 14:52.56 | aloril | LeFallen: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 14:53.14 | SpeedEvil | I don't think that's in the FAQ though :) |
| 14:53.30 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: scummvm is perfect ;) |
| 14:53.33 | SpeedEvil | Legoguy: harware, or qemu? |
| 14:53.48 | aloril | SpeedEvil: does to topic talk about receiving or sending part? |
| 14:53.49 | dtx | oh yeah |
| 14:53.53 | dtx | scummvm |
| 14:53.55 | LeFallen | SpeedEvil: qemu :( postage to australia is $80 US :( |
| 14:53.57 | dtx | That is a good one |
| 14:54.18 | dtx | I've been wanting to play through Sam 'n Max again |
| 14:54.20 | SpeedEvil | aloril: delivery |
| 14:54.27 | Kensan | dtx: the games usually have a native resolutio nof 640x480 and are fully usable with stylus. |
| 14:54.32 | SpeedEvil | aloril: it was simply based on 'cc charging this week'. |
| 14:54.43 | SpeedEvil | aloril: and no mention of shipping this week |
| 14:54.47 | dtx | yeah |
| 14:55.05 | aloril | SpeedEvil: ie.. "Neo1973 in hand" |
| 14:55.10 | LeFallen | SpeedEvil: Unfortunately I don't have an in depth understanding of what's going on exactly when mounting "special" stuff :/ |
| 14:55.20 | alech | I know a scummvm developer, and apparently they are already talking about porting it :) |
| 14:55.26 | dtx | I wish Lucas Arts never quit making those games |
| 14:55.32 | Kensan | alech: it's in openembedded |
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| 14:55.49 | phrozen77_ | dtx, same here |
| 14:55.50 | dtx | Games are all twitch based now |
| 14:55.53 | alech | Kensan: oh, that sounds easy :) |
| 14:55.55 | dtx | Nothing with atmosphere anymore |
| 14:56.00 | phrozen77_ | ack |
| 14:56.23 | Kensan | alech: There is some talk on the wiki about porting sdl but afaik sdl should work. |
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| 14:56.36 | dtx | Well, SDL is in OpenEmbedded |
| 14:56.40 | kiba | I will use rubygame and ruby... |
| 14:56.55 | dtx | I used it on my OpenZaurus along with pygame |
| 14:57.04 | mdt | kiba, do you have any expirience with ruby on arm? |
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| 14:57.31 | kiba | ruby on arm? |
| 14:58.11 | daMaestro | yuck |
| 14:58.14 | dtx | Is there a difference? |
| 14:58.20 | dtx | ruby on anything is ruby |
| 14:58.22 | mdt | at least in performance |
| 14:58.26 | kiba | never heard of ruby on arm |
| 14:58.27 | dtx | oh |
| 14:58.40 | kiba | maybe you mean ruby on rails? |
| 14:58.45 | mdt | the question is more: expiriences with ruby/lua/python/js whatever... |
| 14:58.49 | mdt | no |
| 14:58.49 | dtx | Ruby running on an ARM chipset |
| 14:58.57 | kiba | nopes |
| 14:59.03 | bedboi | it has been just released a Ruby port on n800 |
| 14:59.04 | kiba | s/nopes/nope |
| 14:59.05 | bedboi | today |
| 14:59.28 | dtx | Python runs decently on ARM |
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| 14:59.43 | alech | what about perl? |
| 15:00.01 | mdt | dtx, i know - i ported a version to the greenphone. and some operations are painful slow. that's the cause i'm asking |
| 15:00.28 | dtx | Like what operations? |
| 15:00.32 | mdt | alech, exactly the same question. i dont start a flamewar here. i just ask for expirience on interreted languages |
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| 15:00.51 | mdt | dtx, i playing around with sqlite3, alchemy: to slow |
| 15:01.36 | ferric | two ppl have received shipment confirmation |
| 15:01.37 | aloril | well.. "We don't charge your credit card until the order is ready to ship." from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ |
| 15:01.44 | ferric | good stuff |
| 15:01.50 | aloril | but then it also talks about 2007-07-16 day which didn't happen |
| 15:02.03 | squalyl | small question: what exactly a "provider" is for bitbake? I want to compile a small "console hello world" and I get: no provider of build target <package> |
| 15:02.30 | squalyl | I inherit "openmoko" and directly give SRC_URI in my .bb file |
| 15:03.07 | ferric | how do i get the keyboard in qemu to show up? |
| 15:03.34 | mdt | dtx, i use a 300MHz arm in a greenphone for my tests. i am searching for a nice language like python for some functionality. some functions are much easer to implement in such envs. |
| 15:03.38 | LeFallen | ferric: click up the top, to the left. |
| 15:03.48 | squalyl | ferric > i think you have to tap in the white rectangle next to the "start menu" |
| 15:03.51 | LeFallen | ferric: on the right of the white box |
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| 15:04.04 | squalyl | BTW, why is this box "white" ? |
| 15:04.10 | zedstar | mdt, chicken scheme is great if u interested in performance as u can use interpreted or compiles to C |
| 15:04.11 | dtx | I have used pygame, sqlite, and libgphoto with Python on 400MHz ARM and it was decent speed |
| 15:04.25 | LeFallen | ferric: it's like a dropdown combo but it's not rendered. |
| 15:04.27 | mdt | zedstar, good old lisp? |
| 15:04.34 | dtx | But most cycle were probably spent inside those modules |
| 15:04.44 | dtx | polling the camera or playing audio or writing to sqlite |
| 15:04.44 | ferric | LaF0rge: ah brilliant! |
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| 15:04.49 | zedstar | yeh a bit hardcore for some |
| 15:04.59 | ferric | squalyl: yep - thanks! |
| 15:05.14 | ferric | i remembered someone telling me top left, and i kept looking for it in top right! |
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| 15:06.01 | squalyl | you're welcome |
| 15:06.05 | LeFallen | squalyl: supposed to be a pic of the mode one assumes but a white squares fine with me :P |
| 15:06.09 | mdt | dtx, yes, i use DirectFB and screen performance is amazing. but cmplex sql is painful slow |
| 15:06.55 | openfanss | anyone know how to setup serial console output when emulate under QEMU |
| 15:07.04 | dtx | probably because you were using an ORM |
| 15:07.24 | dtx | where the ORM was written mostly in the scripted language and not in C/C++ |
| 15:07.30 | mdt | dtx, maybe, but i switched to webpy now, which is a little better |
| 15:07.32 | dtx | I'm assuming |
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| 15:08.29 | mdt | are there any people working on js ports ? |
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| 15:10.45 | squalyl | still getting "ERROR: No providers of build target testpack (for [])" with my personal package... Any "make a package with bitbake for dummies" somewhere? |
| 15:11.17 | ScaredyCat | isn't there one on the mokomakefile page? |
| 15:11.45 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 15:11.51 | ScaredyCat | very ottom of the page.. |
| 15:12.04 | ScaredyCat | s/ottom/bottom/ |
| 15:12.05 | mokobot | ScaredyCat meant: very bottom of the page.. |
| 15:12.12 | ScaredyCat | twice |
| 15:12.22 | squalyl | yes there is one... sorry |
| 15:13.33 | squalyl | my source is not in a tar but in a svn but this may be useable... |
| 15:13.45 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: tell apt ~botsnack |
| 15:14.02 | ScaredyCat | tar it up :) |
| 15:14.09 | SpeedEvil | squalyl: I think it's meant to represent a keyboard image. But nobodies gotten round to it. |
| 15:14.47 | squalyl | Ah ok... a very lit keyboard then.. Can't see the key ^^ |
| 15:14.57 | squalyl | s/key/keys/ |
| 15:14.58 | mokobot | squalyl meant: Ah ok... a very lit keysboard then.. Can't see the key ^^ |
| 15:15.22 | squalyl | failed... |
| 15:15.26 | dtx | You can have bitbake pull from tar or svn and do you have your environment vars set up correctly? |
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| 15:20.47 | cel | hi |
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| 15:21.58 | squalyl | 1 - I dont use mokomakefile but manual build |
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| 15:22.24 | squalyl | 2 - bitbake does not even try to pull anything |
| 15:22.38 | dtx | s/can/cancan/ |
| 15:22.38 | mokobot | dtx meant: You cancan have bitbake pull from tar or svn and do you have your environment vars set up correctly? |
| 15:22.58 | dtx | s/can/cancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancan/ |
| 15:22.58 | mokobot | dtx meant: You cancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancancan have bitbake pull from tar or svn and do you have your environment vars set up correctly? |
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| 15:25.31 | *** topic/#openmoko is wiki.openmoko.org | Buy now for $300 from www.openmoko.com - Direct Link to Buy: https://direct.openmoko.com/ | Delivery unlikely before 2007-07-23 (phones are in the states, and will be delivered cheaply by UPS) | If you ordered early, reply YES_I_DO to confirmation email. (will not reply) |
| 15:26.01 | quickdev | dtx: does your name stand for detox? |
| 15:27.06 | dtx | no, it stands for DirectX cuz I luv Micr0$of7 |
| 15:27.35 | dtx | rot13 test |
| 15:27.40 | dtx | mokobot: rot13 test |
| 15:27.41 | mokobot | grfg |
| 15:27.44 | dtx | cool |
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| 15:28.07 | ScaredyCat | pfft |
| 15:28.14 | ScaredyCat | mokobot md5 test |
| 15:28.16 | mokobot | 098f6bcd4621d373cade4e832627b4f6 |
| 15:28.36 | squalyl | so useful \o/ |
| 15:29.06 | squalyl | The problem of the mailing list guy is not like mine. He managed to get his .ipk, not me! |
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| 15:29.40 | squalyl | mokobot sha1 and this one? |
| 15:29.44 | empty_mind | join #linux-india |
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| 15:30.19 | abraxa_ | Anyone here familiar with glib/gtk+ debugging? |
| 15:30.42 | empty_mind | Sup3rkiddo, would be |
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| 15:31.00 | SpeedEvil | Anyone remember a stub page on the wiki discussing phones that run OM. I'm sure there was one at one point. |
| 15:31.40 | dtx | mokobot 3.141592654^2 * 12 |
| 15:31.41 | mokobot | 27 |
| 15:31.48 | dtx | hmmm |
| 15:31.52 | dtx | a bit approximated there |
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| 15:32.14 | Qwell[] | mokobot: (float)(3.141592654^2 * 12) |
| 15:32.16 | Qwell[] | :p |
| 15:32.16 | dtx | and wait |
| 15:32.19 | quickdev | dtx: unbelievable what mokobot can do! :) |
| 15:32.24 | dtx | yeah |
| 15:32.28 | cjb_ie | is ^ exponentiation, or xor? |
| 15:32.40 | dtx | xor |
| 15:32.41 | dtx | :-P |
| 15:32.42 | dtx | whoops |
| 15:33.33 | Qwell[] | How did he get 27? O.o |
| 15:33.42 | dtx | mokobot pi**2 * 3 / pi**(1/2) |
| 15:33.42 | mokobot | 16.704983961863 |
| 15:33.58 | squalyl | mokobot 3! |
| 15:33.59 | dtx | neat |
| 15:34.06 | squalyl | no factorial? |
| 15:34.16 | dtx | mokobot help math |
| 15:34.45 | squalyl | mokobot traceroute google.com |
| 15:34.53 | squalyl | I have a lot of ideas :) |
| 15:35.27 | openfanss | to gdb u-boot, should i have a openmoko cross-gdb for arm architecture? |
| 15:35.59 | dtx | mokobot wikipedia boobs |
| 15:36.01 | dtx | damn |
| 15:36.26 | kiba | wikipedia have some great porn |
| 15:36.40 | kiba | under the guise for educational purpose of all course |
| 15:36.50 | dtx | yeah |
| 15:36.57 | dtx | but pornotube.com has better |
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| 15:37.35 | dtx | mokobot Good hardcore stuff is at pornotube. |
| 15:37.35 | mokobot | dtx: okay |
| 15:37.43 | dtx | Where is good hardcore stuff? |
| 15:37.52 | dtx | mokobot: where is good hardcore stuff? |
| 15:37.52 | mokobot | I think you lost me on that one, dtx |
| 15:37.56 | dtx | damnit |
| 15:37.59 | dtx | :-P |
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| 15:38.58 | dtx | mokobot: Where can I find good hardcore stuff? |
| 15:39.16 | dtx | I thought mokobot was supposed to learn |
| 15:39.37 | squalyl | mokobot is well educated :) |
| 15:39.46 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[Talk:GPS_Navigation]] [[GPS_Navigation]] [[Wish_List]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 15:39.54 | squalyl | doesn't want to learn this sort of things :D |
| 15:40.17 | dtx | hehe |
| 15:42.02 | dtx | mokobot uc i am screaming right now at all of you!! |
| 15:42.03 | mokobot | 03I AM SCREAMING RIGHT NOW AT ALL OF YOU!! |
| 15:42.48 | mmazur | mokobot, `rm -rf / &` |
| 15:42.51 | mmazur | 8) |
| 15:43.50 | squalyl | lol |
| 15:45.01 | SpeedEvil | Updated Main_Page too - the first three paras, edited them down a bit, stuck the range of supported hardware in another page. It's quite short ATM :) |
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| 15:46.56 | don-o | suprizingly few payment confirmations on P1_Owners |
| 15:47.08 | don-o | i figured after the first two, they payments would start rolling in. |
| 15:48.22 | don-o | the mailing list is bursting with new application ideas. its very cool. |
| 15:48.58 | xkr47 | :) |
| 15:49.12 | SpeedEvil | don-o: Very annoying. |
| 15:49.17 | daMaestro | lol |
| 15:49.18 | SpeedEvil | Most of them are on the wiki :) |
| 15:49.20 | mmazur | Annoying? |
| 15:50.15 | don-o | its a little OT but its great that people are dreaming and are inspired by the platform |
| 15:50.28 | dtx | I'm dreaming |
| 15:50.34 | dtx | But my dreams begin in October |
| 15:50.35 | don-o | as was mentioned earlier, they'll have to recon with "2.8 inches of reality" at some point :) |
| 15:50.37 | mmazur | don-o, maybe so, but I'm off drugs and just want my gps. |
| 15:51.04 | mmazur | Along with a gprs modem, since the current one *sux*. |
| 15:51.04 | don-o | i liked the location-aware task-list. |
| 15:51.47 | dtx | I thought there was a GPRS modem? |
| 15:52.03 | mmazur | My current gprs modem sux, that's why I want my neo. |
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| 15:52.12 | mmazur | To act as one. |
| 15:52.46 | don-o | i was disappointed to read the gps modem is not class "whatever" where it can do voice and data simultaneously |
| 15:52.54 | don-o | er gsm. sorry. |
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| 15:54.02 | dtx | Do you really think you'd be looking at the screen while talking to somebody |
| 15:54.25 | don-o | absolutely with a bluetooth earpiece |
| 15:54.38 | mmazur | Good point. |
| 15:54.43 | don-o | plus i think that means it cant take calls while using GPRS, but im guessing here. |
| 15:54.50 | mmazur | :( |
| 15:54.58 | mdt | don-o, you mean gsm0710? |
| 15:55.06 | mmazur | gr8, reality just caught up on us. |
| 15:55.44 | don-o | heh. even when im on a call the phone will have plenty of local information to be useful. |
| 15:55.56 | don-o | usually i need to look at the screen to read off a phone number from the phone book |
| 15:56.05 | mdt | don-o, so what's the problem? |
| 15:56.21 | mmazur | But it'd be nice to be actually able to google something while talking. |
| 15:56.38 | mmazur | Not to mention if it blocks calling, while gprs is on, that means it looses as a basic phone, doesn't it? |
| 15:56.42 | dtx | I will probably use GPRS about twice a year to look up a map, the rest of the time there will probably be wifi so no problems here |
| 15:56.47 | mmazur | s/basic/primary/ |
| 15:56.48 | mokobot | mmazur meant: Not to mention if it blocks calling, while gprs is on, that means it looses as a primary phone, doesn't it? |
| 15:57.06 | mmazur | Whoa. |
| 15:57.20 | mmazur | 1337 |
| 15:57.24 | don-o | bot-echo |
| 15:57.25 | squalyl | jor |
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| 15:57.30 | squalyl | ^^ |
| 15:58.03 | ewanm89_laptop | I've tried turning it off without restarting mokobot. |
| 15:58.04 | dtx | mokobot rot13 Not to mention if it blocks calling, while gprs is on, that means it looses as a primary phone, doesn't it? |
| 15:58.04 | mokobot | Abg gb zragvba vs vg oybpxf pnyyvat, juvyr tcef vf ba, gung zrnaf vg ybbfrf nf n cevznel cubar, qbrfa'g vg? |
| 15:58.05 | mdt | mmazur, why should it block calls when using gprs? |
| 15:58.06 | don-o | stuff like that can be verified once there are more people with P1s |
| 15:58.33 | mmazur | mdt, if I understand correctly it can't do data and voice at the same time. |
| 15:59.12 | don-o | http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml |
| 15:59.17 | ewanm89_laptop | dtx: Why did you want to cycle the bot? |
| 15:59.20 | mdt | this is solved by gsm0710. the chip can do so, may be it's missing in the software currently, but as far as i know they are working on a driver for that |
| 16:00.03 | don-o | class A: GPRS and GSM simultaneously, Class B: GPRS or GSM |
| 16:00.20 | loufoque | when will I be able to order a GTA02 ? |
| 16:00.30 | don-o | loufoque: not for a long long time :) |
| 16:00.54 | mmazur | So neo has which class? |
| 16:01.00 | summatusmentis | do we know if the GTA02 hardware will be ready before the 'mass market' software is available? |
| 16:01.01 | don-o | good Q |
| 16:01.20 | Qwell[] | mokobot: software? |
| 16:01.21 | mokobot | The answer to most software questions are no. |
| 16:01.43 | dtx | ewanm89_laptop: I'm just playing with it |
| 16:01.44 | loufoque | don-o: I thought mass market was in november |
| 16:01.47 | dtx | The bot |
| 16:01.49 | dtx | that is |
| 16:01.58 | woglinde | re |
| 16:02.10 | ewanm89_laptop | dtx: I realised, who put bill gate in there? |
| 16:02.21 | dtx | Beats me |
| 16:02.30 | dtx | How do you get it to recall anything |
| 16:02.31 | don-o | loufoque: i thought the P1 edition was in January. |
| 16:02.32 | dtx | It won't for me |
| 16:02.41 | guaqua | this is P1 |
| 16:02.45 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: Bill Gates |
| 16:02.45 | mokobot | from memory, bill gates is in Hell. |
| 16:02.51 | mdt | i think the hardware, the gsm-chip is capable of doing both... |
| 16:02.55 | don-o | guaqua: i mean January of 07 |
| 16:02.56 | guaqua | P2 is whenever the software and hardware is ready |
| 16:03.00 | don-o | "The GSM (including GPRS) modem is Texas Instruments Calypso based." |
| 16:03.02 | dtx | oh cool |
| 16:03.10 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: mokomakefile |
| 16:03.11 | mokobot | well, mokomakefile is an automted method for downloading, updated, and compiling the latest openmoko code. |
| 16:03.20 | dtx | mokobot: good hardcore stuff |
| 16:03.20 | mokobot | somebody said good hardcore stuff was at pornotube. |
| 16:03.23 | don-o | thats from the wiki. mdt is the gsm0710 the actuall model on the P1? |
| 16:03.23 | mmazur | don-o, now we know everything :) |
| 16:03.25 | dtx | hahaha |
| 16:03.27 | dtx | awesome |
| 16:03.47 | woglinde | mokomakefil stands for "I cant configure openembedded" *g* |
| 16:03.50 | ewanm89_laptop | dtx: In two days and I got some interesting factoids in there. |
| 16:03.51 | loufoque | don-o: GTA02 (phase 2) is scheduled to go on sale on october. |
| 16:03.54 | don-o | mmazur: ha. helpful, huh? |
| 16:04.01 | dtx | mokobot: meaning of life |
| 16:04.05 | CM | mokobot: Where is my phone? |
| 16:04.05 | mokobot | CM: what are you talking about? |
| 16:04.07 | guaqua | loufoque: where is this schedule? |
| 16:04.09 | CM | :P |
| 16:04.10 | squalyl | mokobot: 42 |
| 16:04.16 | mdt | don-o, didn't understand the question... |
| 16:04.16 | woglinde | hi CM |
| 16:04.17 | don-o | loufoque: i know. and im saying GTA01 was scheduled to be sold in Jaunary 2007. Make your own conclusions :) |
| 16:04.22 | SpeedEvil | guaqua [[Neo1973]] |
| 16:04.26 | CM | woglinde: Hello :) |
| 16:04.30 | squalyl | mokobot: answer to life |
| 16:04.37 | dtx | mokobot: the meaning of life |
| 16:04.40 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: The meaning of life is <reply> 42 |
| 16:04.40 | mokobot | okay, ewanm89_laptop |
| 16:04.46 | dtx | dang |
| 16:04.47 | loufoque | guaqua: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 |
| 16:04.53 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: The meaning of life? |
| 16:04.56 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: The meaning of life |
| 16:05.03 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: The meaning of life is |
| 16:05.13 | woglinde | hihi |
| 16:05.13 | CM | mokobot: life |
| 16:05.23 | CM | Pff.. Sucky bot |
| 16:05.24 | squalyl | this is... disappointing. Such a cool bot has no culture! |
| 16:05.35 | CM | apt: mokobot is a lousy competitor |
| 16:05.35 | apt | CM: okay |
| 16:05.38 | ewanm89_laptop | squalyl: You have to teach it. |
| 16:05.39 | CM | apt: mokobot |
| 16:05.40 | apt | i heard mokobot is a lousy competitor |
| 16:05.40 | *** join/#openmoko ulmen (n=ulmen@cryptomilch.de) |
| 16:05.45 | CM | :D |
| 16:05.54 | ewanm89_laptop | But they are the same. |
| 16:05.57 | Qwell[] | ~42? |
| 16:05.57 | apt | somebody said 42 was the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
| 16:05.58 | *** join/#openmoko cheesy (n=daniel@pd95b5e66.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:06.01 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: the meaning of life is <reply> 42 |
| 16:06.01 | mokobot | i already had it that way, ewanm89_laptop |
| 16:06.04 | Qwell[] | No they aren't |
| 16:06.08 | squalyl | mokobot answer to everything <reply> 42 |
| 16:06.10 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: life is <reply> 42 |
| 16:06.11 | mokobot | okay, ewanm89_laptop |
| 16:06.18 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: life |
| 16:06.18 | mokobot | 42 |
| 16:06.23 | squalyl | lol |
| 16:06.36 | guaqua | mokobot: what is the meaning of life? |
| 16:06.36 | mokobot | guaqua: what are you talking about? |
| 16:06.43 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: answer to everything <reply> 42 |
| 16:06.43 | guaqua | mokobot: 42 |
| 16:06.47 | loufoque | mokobot: when will I be able to order the GTA02 ? |
| 16:06.49 | dtx | mokobot: the number of virgins in this room |
| 16:07.01 | Sup3rkiddo | don't abuse the bot |
| 16:07.05 | Sup3rkiddo | and thats an order |
| 16:07.21 | summatusmentis | yeah, it's not the bots fault it's a virgin |
| 16:07.22 | guaqua | chain of command seems to be rather vague here |
| 16:07.37 | guaqua | or even the general idea of a chain of command |
| 16:07.50 | Sup3rkiddo | what if theres a bot rebellion or something |
| 16:07.55 | Qwell[] | apt: What do you get when you multiple 6 by 9? |
| 16:07.56 | apt | ACTION do you get when you multiple 6 by 9 to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion |
| 16:08.03 | mmazur | Sup3rkiddo, we call in battlestar galactica. |
| 16:08.05 | guaqua | which effectively means giving orders isn't really going to fly |
| 16:08.17 | don-o | loufoque: this November 2006 post might be good for a laugh: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2006-November/000011.html |
| 16:08.35 | dtx | 6*9 |
| 16:08.41 | dtx | apt: 6*9 |
| 16:08.42 | apt | 54 |
| 16:08.48 | Sup3rkiddo | apt: 100/0 |
| 16:08.54 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: 6*9 |
| 16:08.54 | mokobot | 54 |
| 16:09.02 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: 9/0 |
| 16:09.02 | Sup3rkiddo | mokobot, 10/0 |
| 16:09.04 | guaqua | mokobot: 100/0 |
| 16:09.05 | dtx | mokobot: echo apt |
| 16:09.08 | dtx | :-P |
| 16:09.11 | LarstiQ | don-o: the reality of IT |
| 16:09.14 | Sup3rkiddo | muhaha...i did it |
| 16:09.43 | Kensan | ~lart bot-abuse |
| 16:09.43 | apt | declares bot-abuse a moron |
| 16:09.48 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot == apt, other than we can have our own factfiles. |
| 16:10.10 | Qwell[] | ewanm89_laptop: You can add facts to apt too... instead of having to ask two different bots... |
| 16:10.22 | ewanm89_laptop | Qwell[]: but. |
| 16:10.26 | ewanm89_laptop | apt: source |
| 16:10.26 | apt | To build Debian packages from source code: first, add a deb-src line to your sources.list file. Then "apt-get build-dep _pkg_" and "apt-get -b source _pkg_" to retrieve the build-dependencies, and the source. The resulting .deb files will be in `pwd`. |
| 16:10.36 | Qwell[] | ~mokosource |
| 16:10.37 | ewanm89_laptop | Do we want the debian ones? |
| 16:10.39 | cheesy | mokobot: seen mokobot |
| 16:10.39 | mokobot | cheesy: i haven't seen 'mokobot' |
| 16:10.48 | ulmen | hi there, anyone knowing what formalities one has to comply with when importing the neo to germany? i don't want to be jailed for buying a free phone ;) |
| 16:10.49 | Qwell[] | mokobot: source |
| 16:10.56 | Qwell[] | I rest my case. |
| 16:11.04 | woglinde | ulmen ups will contact you |
| 16:11.12 | ewanm89_laptop | Qwell[]: But if you wish to define one you can. |
| 16:11.13 | woglinde | and ups manage it |
| 16:11.31 | *** join/#openmoko Aria (n=aredride@betelgeuse.theinternetco.net) |
| 16:11.46 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: wtf |
| 16:11.58 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: wtf Qwell[] |
| 16:11.59 | ulmen | woglinde: okay thanks, do you know the estimated costs of this? or is it included in the shipping costs? |
| 16:11.59 | mokobot | no binary found. |
| 16:12.11 | Qwell[] | ~qwell |
| 16:12.12 | apt | somebody said qwell was a patented liquid formula that contains three plant-based bio-active agents that work together in a perfectly balanced combination. These agents act synergistically to boost your good cholesterol and slash the bad. |
| 16:12.13 | woglinde | ulmen hm cant say |
| 16:12.14 | Qwell[] | Can mokobot do that? |
| 16:12.22 | woglinde | ulmen you have to pay 19% vat |
| 16:12.25 | ewanm89_laptop | Qwell[]: Yes. |
| 16:12.26 | guaqua | ~guaqua |
| 16:12.29 | woglinde | (mehrwertsteuer) |
| 16:12.34 | Qwell[] | Without me having to tell him? :) |
| 16:12.45 | cheesy | mokobot: love |
| 16:12.47 | Kensan | ulme: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Shipping_Notes#Germany |
| 16:12.48 | ulmen | woglinde: umsatzsteuer ;) |
| 16:12.53 | happycube | apt-get me a phone |
| 16:13.03 | ewanm89_laptop | Qwell[]: Someone has told apt in the past. |
| 16:13.14 | Qwell[] | no, somebody told jbot :p |
| 16:13.24 | cheesy | ~love |
| 16:13.24 | apt | Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.... And now abideth faith, hope, ... |
| 16:13.27 | Qwell[] | (jbot is way cooler than apt) |
| 16:13.36 | ewanm89_laptop | Qwell[]: Somehow it got in apts db. |
| 16:13.43 | *** join/#openmoko cninja (n=cninja@pcd592106.netvigator.com) |
| 16:13.51 | Sup3rkiddo | ~iphone |
| 16:13.53 | *** part/#openmoko freelock (n=john@foraker.freelock.com) |
| 16:13.57 | Sup3rkiddo | i just had to |
| 16:14.09 | cheesy | ~neo |
| 16:14.09 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, neo is 100% beef |
| 16:14.13 | woglinde | yesterday I saw an reportage about german toll at ariport, which searched luggae and found 2 handys and the woman who owns them had to pay 40 euros vat and 60 euros penalty |
| 16:14.17 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: can I has a openmoko? |
| 16:14.17 | mokobot | No |
| 16:14.21 | ewanm89_laptop | :( |
| 16:14.26 | woglinde | ups 2 cellphones |
| 16:14.37 | woglinde | ~lart german word for cellphone |
| 16:14.37 | apt | chops german word in half with a free Solaris 7 CD for cellphone |
| 16:14.55 | Sup3rkiddo | ~lart apt |
| 16:14.55 | apt | hereby declares sup3rkiddo a troll |
| 16:15.03 | Sup3rkiddo | interesting |
| 16:15.10 | Sup3rkiddo | ~lart mokobot |
| 16:15.10 | apt | pushes the wall down onto mokobot whilst whistling innocently |
| 16:15.20 | Sup3rkiddo | so...there...mokobot!=apt |
| 16:15.24 | *** join/#openmoko Devestate (n=Devestat@adsl-69-232-86-30.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 16:15.31 | ewanm89_laptop | Sup3rkiddo: Why not? |
| 16:15.37 | cheesy | great work Sup3rkiddo |
| 16:15.41 | Sup3rkiddo | ewanm89_laptop, scroll up |
| 16:15.57 | Sup3rkiddo | cheesy, thats why they call me the Sup3rkiddo |
| 16:16.07 | ewanm89_laptop | Sup3rkiddo: I know what you just done with random number generators. |
| 16:16.23 | cheesy | you should work as a secret agent |
| 16:16.32 | Sup3rkiddo | ewanm89_laptop, lets keep that within ourselves ok |
| 16:16.47 | Sup3rkiddo | cheesy, i am working for NS.....er..never mind |
| 16:17.28 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: wtf NSA |
| 16:17.29 | mokobot | no binary found. |
| 16:17.34 | cheesy | maybe you will find a way to get one of these p2 prototypes ;) |
| 16:17.54 | Sup3rkiddo | i wish |
| 16:18.03 | guaqua | mokobot: wtf false |
| 16:18.04 | mokobot | no binary found. |
| 16:18.06 | ewanm89_laptop | <ewanm89@ewanm89-laptop> blootbot/trunk/blootbot % wtf NSA [0] |
| 16:18.06 | ewanm89_laptop | Gee... I don't know what NSA means... |
| 16:18.17 | ewanm89_laptop | Bloddy binary exists. |
| 16:18.25 | ScaredyCat | any sign of more that 2 people getting their cards charged yet? |
| 16:18.30 | Sup3rkiddo | No such agency |
| 16:18.33 | ScaredyCat | s/that/than/ |
| 16:18.34 | mokobot | ScaredyCat meant: any sign of more than 2 people getting their cards charged yet? |
| 16:18.50 | ScaredyCat | now now, don't both rush in to correct me |
| 16:18.58 | Sup3rkiddo | ok this is obviously sh*t |
| 16:19.25 | *** join/#openmoko mokobot (n=ewanm89@host86-151-100-166.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 16:19.30 | cheesy | hey mokobot |
| 16:19.41 | cheesy | great to have you here again |
| 16:19.50 | ewanm89_laptop | Hy |
| 16:19.52 | cheesy | mokobot: welcome |
| 16:19.58 | ewanm89_laptop | s/Hy/Hey/ |
| 16:19.58 | mokobot | ewanm89_laptop meant: Hey |
| 16:20.05 | ewanm89_laptop | No. |
| 16:20.10 | Sup3rkiddo | ewanm89_laptop meant: Hey |
| 16:20.32 | cheesy | s/welcome/welcome my friend |
| 16:20.50 | cheesy | sdjfkasjlf |
| 16:21.05 | dtx | hmmm |
| 16:21.06 | cheesy | s/sdjfkasjlf/damn |
| 16:21.14 | dtx | lets try something |
| 16:21.20 | *** join/#openmoko koen (n=koen@81.187.73.203) |
| 16:21.21 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: cycle #openmoko |
| 16:21.27 | cheesy | sdjdifs |
| 16:21.27 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: cycle |
| 16:21.49 | ScaredyCat | it's broke |
| 16:21.50 | cheesy | s/sdjdifs/grrrr/ |
| 16:21.57 | dtx | mokobot: reverse esrever :tpa |
| 16:22.06 | dtx | hmmm |
| 16:22.06 | guaqua | :D |
| 16:22.10 | dtx | that was odd |
| 16:22.20 | *** join/#openmoko mokobot (n=ewanm89@host86-151-100-166.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 16:22.35 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: cycle |
| 16:22.35 | mokobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 16:22.43 | dtx | apt: reverse esrever: tpa |
| 16:22.49 | ewanm89_laptop | Hy |
| 16:22.56 | ewanm89_laptop | s/Hy/Hey/ |
| 16:22.56 | mokobot | ewanm89_laptop meant: Hey |
| 16:23.00 | Sup3rkiddo | ewanm89_laptop meant: Hey |
| 16:23.11 | cheesy | ewanm89_laptop meant: Hey |
| 16:23.19 | ewanm89_laptop | stfu |
| 16:23.25 | dtx | :-P |
| 16:23.31 | Sup3rkiddo | ewanm89_laptop meant: i am an idiot |
| 16:23.35 | ewanm89_laptop | I've turned it off in this chan. |
| 16:23.46 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: cycle |
| 16:23.47 | mokobot | error: you do not have enough flags for that. (o required) |
| 16:23.47 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: cycle |
| 16:24.04 | cheesy | mokobot: halt |
| 16:24.19 | Sup3rkiddo | mokobot, exit(0) |
| 16:24.28 | cheesy | counter |
| 16:24.29 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-19 00:49) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 65% in 21:47:45 (0.908±0.9 days) (1760;248) |
| 16:24.30 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: reverse reverse nuns! nuns! |
| 16:24.32 | mokobot | !snun !snun esrever |
| 16:25.12 | ScaredyCat | !googlefight Sup3rkiddo vs wet lettuce |
| 16:25.22 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, that was lame |
| 16:25.31 | ScaredyCat | it died |
| 16:25.40 | Sup3rkiddo | !googlefight Sup3rkiddo vs cabbage |
| 16:25.42 | squalyl | mokobot: googlefight openmoko vs windows mobile |
| 16:25.49 | *** join/#openmoko mokobot (n=ewanm89@host86-151-100-166.range86-151.btcentralplus.com) |
| 16:25.52 | cheesy | welcome again mokobot |
| 16:26.05 | squalyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.05 | ScaredyCat | hello moko[bot] |
| 16:26.19 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot does not do googlefight, and I'm tryig to turn off sed in this channel |
| 16:26.31 | ewanm89_laptop | s/tryig/trying |
| 16:26.34 | ewanm89_laptop | s/tryig/trying/ |
| 16:26.43 | ewanm89_laptop | w00t |
| 16:26.47 | cheesy | ewanm89_laptop meant: error |
| 16:27.12 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: dns cheese.com |
| 16:27.12 | mokobot | cheese.com is 195.149.84.89 |
| 16:27.17 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: dns localhost |
| 16:27.18 | mokobot | localhost is 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:27.34 | Sup3rkiddo | mokobot, hax0r localhost |
| 16:27.38 | ewanm89_laptop | Um, that would be my local DNS. |
| 16:27.39 | squalyl | mokobot: help |
| 16:27.45 | Qwell[] | mokobot: diebotdie is <reply> ~diebotdie |
| 16:27.51 | mokobot | okay, Qwell[] |
| 16:27.51 | Qwell[] | mokobot: forget diebotdie |
| 16:27.53 | mokobot | i forgot diebotdie, Qwell[] |
| 16:27.57 | ewanm89_laptop | Search my domain and. |
| 16:28.03 | cheesy | ~help |
| 16:28.05 | Qwell[] | ewanm89_laptop: 2 bots in a channel == BAD |
| 16:28.23 | Sup3rkiddo | and fun |
| 16:28.25 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: dns ewanm89.homelinux.org |
| 16:28.27 | mokobot | ewanm89.homelinux.org is 192.168.0.4 |
| 16:28.32 | cheesy | ~commands |
| 16:28.43 | ulmen | even one bot in a channel is bad enough =P |
| 16:28.46 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: ddos 192.168.0.4 |
| 16:28.47 | ewanm89_laptop | Qwell[]: No bot in channel == BAD too. |
| 16:29.01 | squalyl | mokobot: cpustats |
| 16:29.02 | mokobot | Total CPU usage: 0.6 s ... Total used: 0.29 % (parent/child ratio: 100.0 %) |
| 16:29.07 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: That would destroy the bot itself. |
| 16:29.13 | Sup3rkiddo | lol |
| 16:29.17 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 16:29.28 | Sup3rkiddo | mokobot: top |
| 16:29.45 | Sup3rkiddo | mokobot: delete pr0n |
| 16:29.46 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: nickometer Sup3rkiddo |
| 16:29.48 | mokobot | 'Sup3rkiddo' is 22.000% lame, scaredycat |
| 16:29.54 | Sup3rkiddo | :s |
| 16:30.03 | ScaredyCat | is that all... :P |
| 16:30.08 | Sup3rkiddo | mokobot, nickometer ScaredyCat |
| 16:30.09 | mokobot | 'ScaredyCat' is 0.000% lame, sup3rkiddo |
| 16:30.11 | cheesy | ~uptime |
| 16:30.12 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 16:30.14 | Sup3rkiddo | :O |
| 16:30.15 | squalyl | mokobot: crypt helloworld |
| 16:30.15 | mokobot | BlZ5CRkvcS8tg |
| 16:30.19 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: nickometer cheesy |
| 16:30.20 | Sup3rkiddo | the bots rigged |
| 16:30.20 | mokobot | 'cheesy' is 0.000% lame, ewanm89_laptop |
| 16:30.31 | ewanm89_laptop | Sup3rkiddo: It's not. |
| 16:30.34 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: nickometer m0k0b0t |
| 16:30.35 | mokobot | 'm0k0b0t' is 99.790% lame, scaredycat |
| 16:30.50 | squalyl | mokobot: babelfish salut |
| 16:30.55 | Sup3rkiddo | ewanm89_laptop, it just said i am 22% but i am lamer |
| 16:30.57 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: nickometer ewanm89_laptop |
| 16:30.59 | mokobot | 'ewanm89_laptop' is 25.000% lame, ewanm89_laptop |
| 16:31.22 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: mokobot++ |
| 16:31.26 | ewanm89_laptop | Um, maybe I should rig it. |
| 16:31.41 | ewon | mokobot: nickometer ewon |
| 16:31.42 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: karma mokobot |
| 16:31.42 | Sup3rkiddo | ewanm89_laptop, yeah make ScaredyCat 100% lame |
| 16:31.42 | mokobot | mokobot has neutral karma |
| 16:31.43 | mokobot | 'ewon' is 0.000% lame, ewon |
| 16:31.45 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: Sorry db problem there. |
| 16:31.49 | ewon | \o/ |
| 16:32.00 | Sup3rkiddo | mokobot, karma Sufflope |
| 16:32.00 | mokobot | sufflope has neutral karma |
| 16:32.04 | Sup3rkiddo | mokobot, karma Sup3rkiddo |
| 16:32.04 | mokobot | sup3rkiddo has neutral karma |
| 16:32.09 | summatusmentis | mokobot: nickometer summatusmentis |
| 16:32.11 | mokobot | 'summatusmentis' is 0.000% lame, summatusmentis |
| 16:32.21 | summatusmentis | WIN |
| 16:32.30 | summatusmentis | mokobot: karma summatusmentis |
| 16:32.30 | mokobot | summatusmentis has neutral karma |
| 16:32.33 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: nickometer LaF0rge |
| 16:32.35 | mokobot | 'LaF0rge' is 97.280% lame, scaredycat |
| 16:32.38 | ewon | lol |
| 16:32.39 | Sup3rkiddo | i wonder how it calculates the lame thing |
| 16:32.40 | Sup3rkiddo | rofl |
| 16:32.56 | cheesy | mokobot: dbugs |
| 16:32.59 | summatusmentis | probably looking for 'script kiddie' an capitalization |
| 16:32.59 | ScaredyCat | it's caps / nimbers |
| 16:33.19 | *** join/#openmoko jpozlovsky (n=jindra@rb5cc115.net.upc.cz) |
| 16:33.23 | ScaredyCat | nimbers bimbers |
| 16:33.39 | *** join/#openmoko cesarb_ (n=cesarb@copacabana.nitnet.com.br) |
| 16:33.55 | cheesy | mokobot: adduser cheesy |
| 16:34.17 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: piglatin my head is in a spin |
| 16:34.18 | mokobot | myay eadhay isway inway away inspay |
| 16:34.35 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: reverse(piglatin my head is in a spin) |
| 16:34.35 | mokobot | okay, ScaredyCat |
| 16:34.43 | ScaredyCat | ooo |
| 16:35.09 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: forget reverse(piglatin my head |
| 16:35.09 | mokobot | ScaredyCat: i forgot reverse(piglatin my head |
| 16:35.13 | ewon | mokobot: die |
| 16:35.20 | cheesy | mokobot: listkeys |
| 16:35.23 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: mokobot++ |
| 16:35.31 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: karma mokobot |
| 16:35.31 | mokobot | mokobot has karma of 1 |
| 16:35.40 | dtx | mokobot: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 |
| 16:35.41 | mokobot | mokobot: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 |
| 16:35.46 | dtx | aaaah |
| 16:35.53 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: Jason1-- |
| 16:35.56 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: Jason1-- |
| 16:36.07 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot jason1 |
| 16:36.11 | cheesy | mokobot: news |
| 16:36.11 | *** join/#openmoko aurelf (n=aurelf@deadbeef.inrialpes.fr) |
| 16:36.14 | ScaredyCat | that'll teach him |
| 16:36.18 | dtx | mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 |
| 16:36.18 | mokobot | apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 |
| 16:36.18 | apt | mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 |
| 16:36.18 | mokobot | apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 |
| 16:36.18 | apt | mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 |
| 16:36.19 | mokobot | apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 |
| 16:36.19 | apt | mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 |
| 16:36.19 | mokobot | apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 |
| 16:36.20 | apt | mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 |
| 16:36.21 | mokobot | apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 |
| 16:36.21 | apt | mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 |
| 16:36.24 | mokobot | apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 |
| 16:36.24 | apt | mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 |
| 16:36.24 | dtx | whoah |
| 16:36.26 | mokobot | apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 |
| 16:36.26 | apt | mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 |
| 16:36.26 | ulmen | yeah! |
| 16:36.28 | mokobot | apt: rot13 zbxbobg: ebg13 apt: rot13 |
| 16:36.28 | apt | mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 |
| 16:36.31 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: cycle |
| 16:36.36 | cjb | ! |
| 16:36.40 | dtx | ok my work here is done |
| 16:36.41 | mmazur | EVILLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!1oneone!1 |
| 16:37.02 | summatusmentis | what'd you do? |
| 16:37.04 | dtx | I had to try it |
| 16:37.05 | Qwell[] | I told you having two bots was bad. :P |
| 16:37.13 | ulmen | dtx: nice one, please make it and endless loop |
| 16:37.19 | ulmen | s/and/an |
| 16:37.21 | dtx | impossible |
| 16:37.21 | ewanm89_laptop | It went into emergency timeout. |
| 16:37.22 | cheesy | dtx: nice |
| 16:37.29 | dtx | there is no variable expansion |
| 16:37.36 | dtx | or loop construct |
| 16:37.42 | dtx | that I know of at least |
| 16:37.55 | ewanm89_laptop | dtx: Um, you can't access them. |
| 16:38.13 | dtx | well, it wouldn't be a challenge if I could anyways |
| 16:38.17 | dtx | :-P |
| 16:38.21 | ewanm89_laptop | And it has an emergency overflow. |
| 16:38.24 | ulmen | dtx: then just do a long enough line to get the bots removed by the network =) |
| 16:38.29 | squalyl | mokobot: say hello |
| 16:38.32 | dtx | nah |
| 16:38.37 | dtx | I was just messing around |
| 16:38.40 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: say hello |
| 16:38.49 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: say hello #openmoko |
| 16:38.52 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: time |
| 16:38.58 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 16:38.59 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: say #openmoko hello |
| 16:39.02 | dtx | mokobot: say #openmoko hellol |
| 16:39.12 | dtx | mokobot: rot13 ncg: ebg13 |
| 16:39.12 | mokobot | apt: rot13 |
| 16:39.12 | apt | |
| 16:39.12 | squalyl | mokobot: help |
| 16:39.29 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: tell dtx he's a womble |
| 16:39.37 | dtx | haha |
| 16:40.01 | ScaredyCat | [2007-07-19 17:39:12] <mokobot> No, scaredycat, I won't. |
| 16:40.16 | cheesy | mokobot: news add OpenMoko is the World’s First Integrated Open Source Mobile |
| 16:40.16 | ewanm89_laptop | So I saw, lol |
| 16:40.17 | dtx | mokobot: rot13 qgk: lbh'er n jbzoyr. |
| 16:40.17 | mokobot | dtx: you're a womble. |
| 16:40.24 | cheesy | Communications Platform |
| 16:40.31 | cheesy | pasting sucks sometimes :) |
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| 16:43.31 | cheesy | mokobot: news |
| 16:44.02 | dtx | uh oh |
| 16:44.20 | cheesy | mokobot: news text 1 Open mobile communications development platform and phones will create explosive growth of mobile applications to rival the diversity and size of the massive ringtone market and foster new income models for carriers |
| 16:44.46 | Sup3rkiddo | poor bots |
| 16:44.47 | cheesy | mokobot: news read 1 |
| 16:45.14 | dtx | stuff |
| 16:45.16 | squalyl | he's on strike |
| 16:45.20 | dtx | s/stuff/more stuff |
| 16:45.28 | dtx | mokobot: s/stuff/more stuff/ |
| 16:45.34 | dtx | s/stuff/more stuff/ |
| 16:45.41 | dtx | hmmm |
| 16:45.43 | cheesy | dtx meant: more stuff |
| 16:45.54 | squalyl | dtx meant: more stuff |
| 16:46.10 | squalyl | (humans have to give a hand to bots, incredible !) |
| 16:46.14 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: Klaatu barada nikto! |
| 16:46.27 | bedboi | !botsnack |
| 16:46.37 | ScaredyCat | ~botsnack |
| 16:46.37 | apt | thanks, ScaredyCat |
| 16:46.37 | mokobot | ScaredyCat: :) |
| 16:46.41 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 16:46.47 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: Does not do sed in #openmoko, but does in #openmoko dev. |
| 16:46.48 | ScaredyCat | 2 for the price of 1 |
| 16:46.49 | summatusmentis | lol, I fogot about cdbot2 |
| 16:47.28 | cheesy | sdji |
| 16:47.28 | ewanm89_laptop | s/#openmoko dev/#openmoko-dev/ |
| 16:47.53 | squalyl | mokobot: speed-up openmoko-devel-image |
| 16:48.22 | ewanm89_laptop | squalyl: I wish it could do that too. |
| 16:48.29 | squalyl | :) |
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| 16:49.25 | squalyl | OK guys, see you later, internship is great but it's time to go home! ++ |
| 16:49.39 | Sup3rkiddo | squalyl, bye |
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| 16:50.32 | sannes | Anyone other than CM that has received a payment received e-mail? |
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| 16:51.12 | ScaredyCat | jason1 |
| 16:51.41 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: jason1 |
| 16:51.52 | Sup3rkiddo | mokobot, Sup3rkiddo |
| 16:52.31 | sannes | Which rt number was he? |
| 16:52.38 | ScaredyCat | 1820 |
| 16:52.43 | ScaredyCat | CM 1821 |
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| 16:53.12 | sannes | okay, .. hm, so they setup everything did two and went home? |
| 16:53.55 | ScaredyCat | yeah.. |
| 16:54.02 | cheesy | cu |
| 16:54.07 | ScaredyCat | well, went on holidayI guess |
| 16:54.17 | ScaredyCat | bye cheesy |
| 16:54.17 | *** part/#openmoko cheesy (n=daniel@pd95b5e66.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:54.54 | sannes | or maybe they exaggerated about 500x times about the first batch :P |
| 16:55.27 | ewanm89_laptop | Sup3rkiddo: You don't learn? |
| 16:55.46 | Sup3rkiddo | ewanm89_laptop, ? |
| 16:56.04 | ScaredyCat | sannes: you mean those 2 in the video were the only 2 |
| 16:56.07 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 16:56.32 | Sup3rkiddo | ewanm89_laptop, did i do anything wrong? |
| 16:56.58 | ewanm89_laptop | No, but if you don't teaach it something it can't reply? |
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| 16:57.38 | Sup3rkiddo | ewanm89_laptop, ok ok :P |
| 16:58.01 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: Sup3rkiddo is <reply> 22% lame apparently. |
| 16:58.01 | mokobot | ...but sup3rkiddo is already something else... |
| 16:58.27 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, :P |
| 16:58.30 | Sup3rkiddo | mokobot, Sufflope |
| 16:58.34 | Sup3rkiddo | mokobot, Sup3rkiddo |
| 16:58.34 | mokobot | Sup3rkiddo is the rock |
| 16:58.37 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 16:58.40 | Sup3rkiddo | good bot |
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| 16:59.43 | sannes | ScaredyCat: hm, when you say that, .. it seems to make sense :P |
| 16:59.52 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: Sup3rkiddo |
| 16:59.52 | mokobot | 22% lame, apparently |
| 17:00.00 | ScaredyCat | the big boxes were just cleaning supplies |
| 17:00.01 | Sup3rkiddo | lol |
| 17:00.13 | Sup3rkiddo | bad day |
| 17:00.13 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: :P |
| 17:00.26 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 17:00.39 | Sup3rkiddo | gah |
| 17:02.21 | Sup3rkiddo | ~lart Sup3rkiddo |
| 17:02.21 | apt | hits Sup3rkiddo with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 17:02.34 | Sup3rkiddo | suicide bunny |
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| 17:03.09 | ScaredyCat | ~Sup3rkiddo |
| 17:03.09 | mokobot | 22% lame, apparently |
| 17:03.22 | sannes | Know if jason1 ordered the advanced or basic? |
| 17:03.24 | Sup3rkiddo | :S |
| 17:03.38 | ScaredyCat | basic |
| 17:03.49 | Sup3rkiddo | sannes, basic from the looks of the screenshot |
| 17:03.55 | ewanm89_laptop | unfortunatly :( |
| 17:04.23 | ScaredyCat | community mailing list is starting to kick up some grumbling users too |
| 17:04.27 | juri_ | someone already has an neo1973 in their hands, and they're not me? they must die, surely. |
| 17:04.43 | Sup3rkiddo | i really wish it doesnt get stuck in customs...over here in India they are pretty harsh |
| 17:04.43 | woglinde | lol |
| 17:05.17 | woglinde | I am not dying |
| 17:05.32 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, your nick doesnt do any justice really |
| 17:05.42 | ScaredyCat | raaar |
| 17:06.25 | SpeedEvil | I've just added a comment speculating on November as worst case for next batch. |
| 17:06.33 | ScaredyCat | :O |
| 17:06.55 | SpeedEvil | If they haven't kicked off the production process yet, don't do so for a week or so till they get the neos out the door, and it takes 6 weeks plus a weeks shipping. |
| 17:07.05 | juri_ | so.. no neo1973 photo gallery? |
| 17:07.26 | SpeedEvil | juri_: there are photos on the wiki. Also search flickr for neo1973 |
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| 17:07.50 | calamous | Has anyone else been billed? |
| 17:07.53 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 17:07.56 | calamous | Who? |
| 17:07.57 | SpeedEvil | On the other side. |
| 17:08.01 | ScaredyCat | 2 peopel |
| 17:08.05 | ScaredyCat | eoeoeepeppe |
| 17:08.07 | calamous | 1820 and 1821? |
| 17:08.07 | ScaredyCat | people |
| 17:08.07 | SpeedEvil | Somebody. James1 or soething. |
| 17:08.11 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 17:08.11 | calamous | jason1? |
| 17:08.13 | SpeedEvil | Also. |
| 17:08.19 | ScaredyCat | CM && Jason1 |
| 17:08.23 | woglinde | nnext week guys |
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| 17:08.29 | SpeedEvil | Sean posted saying that you'd get a tracking number with your CC charge. |
| 17:08.32 | SpeedEvil | Has this happened. |
| 17:08.35 | ScaredyCat | nope |
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| 17:08.55 | calamous | Do you know if they are planning to process orders > #1821? |
| 17:09.04 | woglinde | lol |
| 17:09.07 | woglinde | sure |
| 17:09.16 | ScaredyCat | ever? yes? this year? dunno |
| 17:09.24 | SpeedEvil | On the other hand - if the production takes the minimum amount of time, the production was kicked off the day after ordering, it could be as soon as a month before the next batch is delivered. |
| 17:10.03 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but at a rate of 1 per day, billed (not shipped) it'll be novemer before they're done |
| 17:10.13 | calamous | was't there a stat that said if needed, (its not now) fic could produce 100kilo-mokos/month |
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| 17:10.24 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 17:10.38 | SpeedEvil | Having the theoretical capability to do so, and turning it on is another thing entirely. |
| 17:10.40 | ScaredyCat | produce being the word |
| 17:10.51 | happycube | also there may be limits on the lcd panels |
| 17:10.51 | calamous | not ship. lol |
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| 17:11.26 | calamous | I cant wait for GTA02. The feature that I want most is the 2 3d acceleramaters? |
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| 17:11.46 | ScaredyCat | yeah, well don't count on october will you |
| 17:11.57 | SpeedEvil | There are some vendors contemplating adding accelerometers to GTA01. |
| 17:12.03 | SpeedEvil | Well, specifically me. |
| 17:12.06 | Markinoko | good evenin' there |
| 17:12.16 | ScaredyCat | can they do it now SpeedEvil... might speed shipping |
| 17:12.18 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 17:12.26 | calamous | I cant find much info about them. Are they x, y, z linear accels, or xy, yz, xz gyros. or a unit with both providing 6 degs of freedom? |
| 17:12.44 | SpeedEvil | Look at accellerometer_fundamentals on the wiki |
| 17:12.48 | SpeedEvil | gyros only |
| 17:12.54 | calamous | ohh :( |
| 17:12.59 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 17:13.02 | SpeedEvil | accels only. |
| 17:13.10 | calamous | ohh :) |
| 17:13.34 | SpeedEvil | Basically the only thing you can do with them is to tell which way down is. |
| 17:13.42 | loufoque | SpeedEvil: you're a vendor? |
| 17:13.43 | SpeedEvil | Anything more isn't really practical. |
| 17:13.54 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: I've sold stuff on ebay, so yes! :) |
| 17:14.21 | calamous | I wish they would have a 6DOF set. You could use it as an inertial guidance system. |
| 17:14.27 | SpeedEvil | No, you can't. |
| 17:14.36 | calamous | i.e. You could take it with you in a car and it could tell you your speed |
| 17:14.40 | SpeedEvil | No, you can't. |
| 17:14.47 | calamous | why couldnt you? |
| 17:14.57 | ScaredyCat | they measure G force |
| 17:14.58 | SpeedEvil | Current integrated accelerometers and gyros are basically crap. |
| 17:15.16 | SpeedEvil | They have an error of - at best - a centimeter a second of error. |
| 17:15.18 | calamous | Yes. and you integrate G force's WRT time to get velo |
| 17:15.24 | SpeedEvil | a centimeter a second a second |
| 17:15.25 | kristian-m | but you could measure acceleration |
| 17:15.44 | calamous | and velo WRT time to get displacement |
| 17:15.44 | SpeedEvil | which gives you an error of 70MPH after an hour. |
| 17:15.45 | ScaredyCat | just use the gps to tell you your speed |
| 17:15.55 | kristian-m | then you'll have gps |
| 17:15.59 | SpeedEvil | And a position error of some 35 miles. |
| 17:16.19 | SpeedEvil | Completely neglecting the fact that you don't know the orientation, so you can't do this anyway. |
| 17:16.56 | calamous | Yes you can. If you zeroed it when you "knew" you were not moving |
| 17:17.13 | calamous | To get a meaningful directory would need to align them |
| 17:17.15 | SpeedEvil | No, you can't. |
| 17:17.23 | SpeedEvil | They have an error of - at best - a centimeter a second a second of error. |
| 17:17.48 | calamous | Ok. but its not that you physically cant, its just they dont have the precision |
| 17:18.17 | kristian-m | right, and then there's the vibrations in your car |
| 17:18.21 | SpeedEvil | Can't with devices that are available to plausibly fit into a phone or other openmoko device = can't in this channel IMO. |
| 17:18.51 | calamous | Thats why you need more sensative units. |
| 17:18.52 | SpeedEvil | You can do a whole lot better with $100K worth of high precision laser gyros and stuff in a big cabinet. |
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| 17:19.06 | SpeedEvil | There are no more sensitive units that will fit in phones. |
| 17:19.15 | SpeedEvil | Even for silly money. |
| 17:19.34 | calamous | http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/taxonomy.jsp?nodeId=01126911184595 |
| 17:19.35 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer_Fundamentals is worth a read. |
| 17:19.41 | SpeedEvil | Yes, I know. |
| 17:20.01 | SpeedEvil | And I also know that they have a noise figure of (IIRC) 330uG/sqrt(Hz) of error |
| 17:20.13 | SpeedEvil | And a _horrific_ temperature coefficient. |
| 17:20.45 | SpeedEvil | There are _no_ vendors of accelerometers in this form factor that are significantly better than this. |
| 17:21.12 | SpeedEvil | And yes, I've looked. |
| 17:21.18 | SpeedEvil | Quite extensively. |
| 17:21.19 | calamous | http://www.xbow.com/Products/productdetails.aspx?sid=165 lol |
| 17:21.47 | calamous | just strap it on to the back of the moko |
| 17:22.41 | kristian-m | adn there are compass-controllers |
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| 17:23.02 | buz | a compass for the gps would be niec |
| 17:23.07 | buz | especially once we have a camera ;) |
| 17:23.13 | SpeedEvil | That's not actually better calamous. |
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| 17:23.34 | calamous | SpeedEvil: wew i didnt realzie that the integrated accel systems dont have that great of precision |
| 17:23.34 | SpeedEvil | .6 milligee = .6cm/s/s accelleration. |
| 17:23.37 | buz | geotagged, directional pictures hehehe |
| 17:23.55 | calamous | speedEvil: sorry |
| 17:24.00 | SpeedEvil | :( |
| 17:24.14 | kristian-m | SpeedEvil but you could use the gyro for rotating 3d objects on the phone to point to the same direction (ground) all the time - which makes it ideal for 3d simulationvieving - all you'd need is rotation of one axes |
| 17:24.18 | SpeedEvil | They also haven't gotten significantly better - in fundamental performance. |
| 17:24.25 | dtx | apt: rot13 zbxbobg: xvpx ncg |
| 17:24.25 | apt | mokobot: kick apt |
| 17:24.31 | dtx | ah |
| 17:24.34 | dtx | failed assisted suicide |
| 17:24.46 | SpeedEvil | kristian-m: telling down with the accelerometers is trivial. |
| 17:24.55 | SpeedEvil | At least roughly, if you're not moving much. |
| 17:25.08 | kristian-m | SpeedEvil wow i could absolutely use that feature :) |
| 17:25.29 | dtx | as long as you aren't dropping 9.80665m/s**2 |
| 17:25.50 | SpeedEvil | If you're for example going sharply round a bend while driving aggressively, down might wander out to 45 degrees or so. |
| 17:25.55 | kristian-m | maybe with the richt algorithm you could simulate physics and led things spinn on the screen... |
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| 17:26.29 | SpeedEvil | Consider 'sliding block' and those games where you tilt a maze of ball-bearings into holes. |
| 17:26.44 | kristian-m | SpeedEvil but that could be a usefull effect |
| 17:26.45 | SpeedEvil | tilt ball bearings through a maze into holes |
| 17:26.58 | kristian-m | :-) |
| 17:26.59 | SpeedEvil | kristian-m: yes - look at the accelerometer_fundamentals page. |
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| 17:27.08 | SpeedEvil | I've gone into a few plausible apps. |
| 17:27.13 | calamous | SpeedEvil: what is your profession? |
| 17:27.30 | buz | professional irc talker i believe |
| 17:27.31 | Dmitry_Platonov | calamous: wiki editor 8) |
| 17:27.37 | kristian-m | SpeedEvil is professional gyrometer ;) |
| 17:27.41 | SpeedEvil | At the moment I'm unemployed due to poor health. |
| 17:27.51 | calamous | Gyrometer |
| 17:27.58 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: rot13 ~yneg qgk |
| 17:27.58 | buz | not funny now |
| 17:27.58 | mokobot | ~lart dtx |
| 17:27.58 | apt | beats dtx to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 17:28.03 | calamous | SpeedEvil: sorry to heal that |
| 17:28.07 | calamous | hear* |
| 17:28.28 | dtx | haha |
| 17:28.30 | dtx | great |
| 17:29.03 | calamous | What does everyone else do? |
| 17:29.05 | SpeedEvil | And some days seemingly wiki editor. |
| 17:29.37 | buz | student |
| 17:29.45 | calamous | What concintration? |
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| 17:30.17 | dtx | I enslave computers |
| 17:30.26 | dtx | s/enslave computers/am a programmer/ |
| 17:30.51 | calamous | Dimitry: da, pravda? |
| 17:31.02 | Dmitry_Platonov | Pravda ;-) |
| 17:31.13 | calamous | ochen horrosho |
| 17:31.13 | dtx | Is that rot13? |
| 17:31.15 | dtx | ;/k |
| 17:31.29 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: rot13 ochen horrosho |
| 17:31.29 | mokobot | bpura ubeebfub |
| 17:31.30 | dtx | s/;\/k/j\/k |
| 17:31.40 | cel | mechatronic engen |
| 17:31.47 | SpeedEvil | Dmitry_Platonov: What's the story on the GLONASS high precision code. I haven't been able to find any documentation other than the public statement that it will be freed. (idly wondering). |
| 17:32.05 | ScaredyCat | he's a spy, don't tell im |
| 17:32.15 | calamous | The NSA could be listening right now |
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| 17:32.22 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 17:32.25 | ScaredyCat | corner |
| 17:32.26 | cel | building noisless voip-hardware |
| 17:32.50 | SpeedEvil | Noiseless? You mean with noise suppression for large conf calls? |
| 17:33.25 | cel | no moving parts |
| 17:33.30 | Dmitry_Platonov | Doubt it will be freed. AFAIK, GPS is neither, receivers do codeless correlation |
| 17:33.35 | cel | i |
| 17:33.37 | bedboi | damn, is anyone aware of a good health insurance for the States? |
| 17:33.42 | bedboi | i'm quite lost |
| 17:33.47 | calamous | nope |
| 17:33.49 | ewanm89_laptop | Um, irc is non-encrypted anyway, anyone can watch. |
| 17:34.01 | calamous | bedboi: move to canada |
| 17:34.09 | cjb_ie | bedboi: i think the trick is to have a few million dollars in the bank. |
| 17:34.11 | ScaredyCat | lol - good health insurance in the us .. |
| 17:34.18 | calamous | bedboi: or see Michel More's movie SICKO |
| 17:34.32 | cjb_ie | otherwise, you're screwed. unless maybe you work for a hospital, as a friend of mine does. |
| 17:34.46 | ScaredyCat | mokobot: md5 yeah we know ewanm89_laptop |
| 17:34.48 | mokobot | 4cb86b4c3fe689de66280df08b97df23 |
| 17:34.51 | summatusmentis | s/Michel More/Michael Moore/ |
| 17:34.56 | xkr47 | heh it makes me sweat when I see "SOLD OUT! ..." subjects in mail before I see they're just normal spam :) |
| 17:35.34 | ewanm89_laptop | Is it bad news if I can actually read this: 4cb86b4c3fe689de66280df08b97df23 ? |
| 17:35.54 | ScaredyCat | no, it's good news |
| 17:36.01 | ScaredyCat | because you're a genius |
| 17:36.16 | xkr47 | :-) |
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| 17:36.27 | ScaredyCat | or 'special' |
| 17:36.38 | cjb_ie | depends what you mean by 'read' |
| 17:36.49 | cjb_ie | it doesn't look like ascii |
| 17:37.05 | ewanm89_laptop | four-c-b-8-6-b-4-... |
| 17:37.05 | xkr47 | not utf-8 either |
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| 17:37.27 | bedboi | calamous, cjb_ie: I'm italian |
| 17:37.31 | ScaredyCat | ~rot13 4cb86b4c3fe689de66280df08b97df23 |
| 17:37.31 | apt | 4po86o4p3sr689qr66280qs08o97qs23 |
| 17:37.31 | mokobot | 4po86o4p3sr689qr66280qs08o97qs23 |
| 17:37.36 | ewanm89_laptop | I believe it's md5, which means it could be several things. |
| 17:37.36 | xkr47 | lol |
| 17:37.44 | bedboi | calamous: there's no need to have heath insurance here. |
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| 17:37.52 | calamous | bedboi: wow, I'm moving :) |
| 17:37.55 | xkr47 | ewanm89_laptop, good guess :) |
| 17:38.02 | ScaredyCat | ~md5 4cb86b4c3fe689de66280df08b97df23 |
| 17:38.04 | mokobot | d5ce110f2fdf9e62687b871716572513 |
| 17:38.06 | xkr47 | or maybe it's some new root key to some hddvd format or so |
| 17:38.19 | bedboi | in my city you can also do sex change surgery (don't know the medical term) for free |
| 17:38.20 | cjb_ie | ireland used to have affordable health insurance, but now they're modelling it after the US system... |
| 17:38.25 | ewanm89_laptop | xkr47: I'm pretty sure it's md5 ;) |
| 17:38.39 | SpeedEvil | Dmitry_Platonov: http://rian.ru/technology/innovation/20070518/65722212.html |
| 17:38.40 | calamous | cjb_ie: sorry to hear that. It sucks here. |
| 17:38.45 | bedboi | i guess that's because the governor of my region is homosexual |
| 17:38.48 | ScaredyCat | yeah, it could be something like "yeah ewanm89_laptop we know" |
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| 17:38.49 | cjb_ie | calamous: yeah |
| 17:38.49 | xkr47 | well it certainly is 32 characters of hex chars, that's for sure |
| 17:39.11 | bedboi | calamous: i'm not jocking. You can be as sick as you want. |
| 17:39.14 | ScaredyCat | yeah, it could be something like "yeah we know ewanm89_laptop" |
| 17:39.20 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: I told you I could read it. |
| 17:39.25 | SpeedEvil | The GPS standard is published - apart from the P(Y) code. |
| 17:39.27 | Dmitry_Platonov | SpeedEvil, you speak russian? |
| 17:39.27 | aloril | Dmitry_Platonov: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:39.28 | calamous | bedboi: I believe you. the health care here sucks |
| 17:39.39 | SpeedEvil | Dmitry_Platonov: no - It was a wikipedia link. |
| 17:39.39 | ScaredyCat | everyone could :) |
| 17:39.43 | bedboi | calamous: and btw i don't know how is to live in a country without health care |
| 17:39.46 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[Explaining_carriers_versus_phones]] [[Documentation]] [[Supported_Hardware]] [[Talk:P1_Owners]] [[Main_Page]] |
| 17:39.48 | SpeedEvil | I can't find the original english article that I had. |
| 17:39.50 | calamous | Dimitry: Ya goveru po-russky |
| 17:39.52 | xkr47 | ScaredyCat, heh |
| 17:40.01 | xkr47 | so it was just a check on who reads the scrollback :) |
| 17:40.10 | bedboi | calamous: now i'm in the process of finding some insurance for me (i'm on j-1 visa) |
| 17:40.12 | ScaredyCat | or who reads what I say |
| 17:40.18 | xkr47 | :-) |
| 17:40.27 | Dmitry_Platonov | SpeedEvil, article says "Civil Signals". Long code is military signal |
| 17:40.36 | calamous | bedboi: its going to be difficult here, sorry |
| 17:40.36 | ewanm89_laptop | I didn't, I just read the hex utput. |
| 17:40.46 | ewanm89_laptop | s/ut/out/ |
| 17:40.52 | ScaredyCat | yeah, that's right |
| 17:41.07 | SpeedEvil | Dmitry_Platonov: ah - right. |
| 17:41.13 | ScaredyCat | s/ |
| 17:41.13 | ScaredyCat | [2007-07-19 18:34:27] <ScaredyCat> mokobot: md5 yeah we know ewanm89_laptop |
| 17:41.13 | ScaredyCat | [2007-07-19 18:34:29] <mokobot> 4cb86b4c3fe689de66280df08b97df23 |
| 17:41.16 | ScaredyCat | oops |
| 17:41.16 | Dmitry_Platonov | SpeedEvil, GLONASS standart is published too, apard from precision code. |
| 17:41.30 | DukeOfUrl | SpeedEvil: if you had a choice, would you take NHS or an American HMO? |
| 17:41.37 | ScaredyCat | nhs |
| 17:41.39 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfUrl: NHS. |
| 17:41.41 | calamous | NHS |
| 17:41.41 | ScaredyCat | ny time |
| 17:41.44 | ScaredyCat | any |
| 17:41.52 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfUrl: especially as I would be unable to pay for a HMO at this time. |
| 17:42.06 | xkr47 | oh stop discussing health insurance :--) |
| 17:42.11 | Markinoko | ok, one small question regarding mokomakefile... I finished building my system. Now I'd like to flash my qemu. make flash-qemu-local should do that but it seems I'm missing one step since even if the system is built, the images to be flashed are not yet generated. what makefile command am I missing ? |
| 17:42.16 | calamous | American HMO's exist to make money, not help sick people. They will do everything to NOT give you the treatment you paid for |
| 17:42.34 | buz | but NHS is widely viewed to be about the worst state run system ever |
| 17:42.49 | calamous | Atleast their heart is in the right position |
| 17:43.05 | buz | intentions dont count much, results do |
| 17:43.06 | cjb | buz: why? |
| 17:43.10 | ScaredyCat | it's not... by any stretch of the imagination |
| 17:43.17 | bedboi | http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/07/17#20070717-sick-not-insane <-- shit.. That's a hell of blog post. |
| 17:43.17 | calamous | NHS employs more than 1 million people right? |
| 17:43.23 | bedboi | didn't noticed :) |
| 17:43.23 | cjb | buz: that's not at all reflected in actual mortality rates etc in the UK. |
| 17:43.45 | buz | thats partly because the uk has started to actually send patients to continental europe |
| 17:43.53 | cjb | .. |
| 17:44.01 | buz | because they dont have the capacity to treat them at home |
| 17:44.02 | cjb | no. |
| 17:44.02 | ScaredyCat | that's not the nhs' fault |
| 17:44.07 | ScaredyCat | that's the government |
| 17:44.17 | buz | where's the difference? |
| 17:44.28 | ScaredyCat | hit your government target you get money, don;t you wont |
| 17:44.37 | cjb | the UK has (current) life expectancy at 79 years, the US has 77 |
| 17:44.49 | cjb | so, the UK makes people healthier, and doesn't charge them any money. |
| 17:44.55 | cjb | what's your point? |
| 17:44.57 | guaqua | us has the highest health costs per capita in the world |
| 17:44.58 | ScaredyCat | some still don;t hit their targets buut do a bloody good job, that's the difference |
| 17:45.19 | buz | people pay money thru taxes |
| 17:45.22 | guaqua | and the per capita health costs are a lot higher than elsewhere in the world... |
| 17:45.25 | ScaredyCat | hahahaha |
| 17:45.32 | Dmitry_Platonov | we need health-care application for the openmoko? 8) |
| 17:45.36 | ScaredyCat | toprate of taxx in nl is 50% |
| 17:45.41 | calamous | Dmitry_Platonov: yes |
| 17:45.54 | ScaredyCat | any you still have to pay for health insurance |
| 17:45.57 | Dmitry_Platonov | built-in scales 8))) |
| 17:45.59 | guaqua | buz: all costs considered....it still applies |
| 17:46.13 | kristian-m | Markinoko I'd also want to know. - no time to find out yet - the images are not jffs though |
| 17:46.44 | LarstiQ | ScaredyCat: sure, but not 100% of the health costs |
| 17:47.06 | Markinoko | kristian-m: I'm hapy I'm not the only one who did not find anything about that... |
| 17:47.12 | ScaredyCat | but you don't pay any in the uk |
| 17:47.20 | ScaredyCat | LarstiQ: |
| 17:47.59 | Kensan | Markinoko: what were make targets you called? |
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| 17:48.52 | Markinoko | Kensan: make all first, then make flash-qemu-local |
| 17:48.54 | kristian-m | Markinoko there is a flash.sh file in the openmoko directory in qemu-dir |
| 17:49.13 | Markinoko | kristian-m: yup, it's used by make flash-qemu-local |
| 17:49.19 | Kensan | Markinoko: did you follow the instructions on the wiki? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 17:49.33 | Markinoko | kristian-m: but since it does not find anything to flash... it errors out |
| 17:49.42 | Dmitry_Platonov | What about rumors that Global locate GPS chip will be replaced with other brand? |
| 17:49.55 | Markinoko | Kensan: yes, and it seems to be a blind sopt |
| 17:49.57 | Markinoko | spot |
| 17:50.02 | Kensan | Markinoko: did you issue "make build-qemu"? |
| 17:50.23 | Markinoko | Kensan: the instructions on the wiki work alright when you want to used an official downloaded image |
| 17:50.36 | buz | to be fair, the NHS at least has a reasonably transparent system based on which treatment is done or not |
| 17:50.43 | Markinoko | Kensan: make build-qemu done |
| 17:51.06 | Markinoko | Kensan: I can run an official image with qemu, but not what I build locally |
| 17:51.35 | LarstiQ | ScaredyCat: hmm? |
| 17:51.50 | ScaredyCat | well, directly |
| 17:52.04 | Kensan | Markinoko: did you try with "make openmoko-devel-image" instead of "make all"? |
| 17:52.05 | dtx | I believe its something like make flash-local-qemu |
| 17:52.11 | dtx | or something like that |
| 17:52.16 | dtx | then make qemu-run |
| 17:52.19 | gcb77_work | flash-qemu-local |
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| 17:52.25 | dtx | thats it |
| 17:52.30 | Markinoko | dtx: well... that's what I'm trying to say |
| 17:52.33 | kristian-m | Markinoko have a look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/NAND_bad_blocks - though it does not explain how to create the images |
| 17:53.01 | Markinoko | dtx: it only flashes, doesn't build images |
| 17:53.25 | dtx | well, you gotta issue the make openmoko-devel-image first |
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| 17:53.33 | dtx | I believe |
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| 17:56.30 | kristian-m | Markinoko well it seems (from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image) that you can create an jffs2 image and use it... |
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| 17:57.12 | Markinoko | ok, I think I get it. I built an x86 system. It's seems it's only intended to be used natively on the host. I guess building for arm target makes the images available. in my case I only have the rootfs images. |
| 17:57.50 | Markinoko | kristian-m: this is the kind of links I need to build customised crap from scratch ;-) thanks |
| 17:59.06 | Markinoko | ok, for those who still wonder what happened to me, I put MACHINE = "x86" in my local.conf, thus I did not get a ARM system... huhu |
| 17:59.18 | summatusmentis | where did the word moko come from? |
| 17:59.41 | ScaredyCat | snot |
| 17:59.44 | Markinoko | bbl -> out for food |
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| 18:02.57 | SpeedEvil | It's a contraction of the words Mobile and Kong |
| 18:03.13 | SpeedEvil | It's designed to be the giant furry mobile phone operating system. |
| 18:03.20 | kristian-m | Markinoko I thought you wanted to modify the images |
| 18:03.46 | Markinoko | kristian-m: yup, but I also need to modify the kernel |
| 18:03.59 | Markinoko | kristian-m: that's why I need a full emulator |
| 18:04.46 | Markinoko | kristian-m: I won't get my shiny RT kernel with only user space emulation ;-) |
| 18:05.00 | Markinoko | SpeedEvil: good idea |
| 18:05.30 | Markinoko | SpeedEvil: you coul also do one with a neo floating on loch ness... |
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| 18:07.39 | kristian-m | userspace-emulation - isn't any linux-kernel doing it that way? ;-) |
| 18:08.24 | Markinoko | kristian-m: hehe, that's kind of a problem with linux actually :-) |
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| 18:12.29 | jfreels | anyone have a minute to give me some advice to get my phone to boot? |
| 18:12.29 | aloril | jfreels: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 18:15.25 | Vegar | jfreels: your phone? |
| 18:15.27 | Vegar | your neo? |
| 18:15.28 | Kensan | Markinoko: maybe this could also be interesting for you: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-July/001139.html |
| 18:15.32 | jfreels | yes |
| 18:15.48 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: did you make that up? or is that really where moko came from? |
| 18:15.49 | Vegar | did you charge the battery? |
| 18:16.20 | jfreels | I got one and when I turn it on, all I see is the splash screen. When I get the new image and throw it on the SD card, it says it can't find a boot image in /boot |
| 18:16.44 | xkr47 | Hmm, would it be possible to charge the phone with over 500mA ? |
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| 18:16.55 | Vegar | jfreels: it takes a while to boot it, especially the first time |
| 18:17.00 | xkr47 | i.e. could the charging equipment suck more amperes if it was allowed to ? |
| 18:17.05 | xkr47 | (without breaking) :) |
| 18:17.13 | jfreels | Vegar: More than a few minutes? |
| 18:17.53 | roh | xkr47 nope. the powermanagement unit is designed to take care of charging according preprogrammed parameter |
| 18:18.35 | xkr47 | ok.. just noticed the E61 I have borrowed atm has some 4-5VA charger, while moko would then have ~2.5VA (5V 500mA) |
| 18:19.00 | Vegar | also, the USB standard doesn't allow more than 500mA |
| 18:19.02 | Vegar | IIRC |
| 18:19.19 | xkr47 | yeah I know.. but if you told the moko "sure.. I have a 1000mA thing connected now, go ahead!" |
| 18:19.40 | xkr47 | and then a few screens with disclaimers about what can happen and "Click yes if you are really sure" |
| 18:19.58 | drath | ICHGFAST Fast charge current range adjustable by external resistor 0.25 2.0 A |
| 18:20.15 | xkr47 | current _range_ ? |
| 18:20.40 | xkr47 | ah sorry |
| 18:20.52 | xkr47 | the range is 0.25-2.0A and is adjustable by external resistor |
| 18:20.56 | drath | well, apparently an external resistor allows you do adjust the fast charge current between 0.25 and 2.0 |
| 18:21.00 | drath | yeah |
| 18:21.04 | ScaredyCat | woohahaa, slow down there jfreels... when did you get one? |
| 18:21.16 | xkr47 | that sounds like one just needs to plug an digitally adjustable resistor there :-) |
| 18:21.53 | jfreels | I got one a few weeks ago, maybe longer and it has been sitting on my desk because I have not had time to play with it |
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| 18:22.58 | ScaredyCat | ~lart jfreels |
| 18:22.58 | apt | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at jfreels |
| 18:23.06 | ScaredyCat | mmmmm |
| 18:23.08 | jfreels | O_O |
| 18:23.43 | ScaredyCat | it's just that we've been waiting for weeks to get our hands on one... |
| 18:23.57 | summatusmentis | he's probably one of the devs that got one for free |
| 18:24.06 | jfreels | I did get it for free |
| 18:24.13 | ScaredyCat | we'll he's not been deving much then has he |
| 18:24.14 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 18:24.15 | jfreels | sorry you guys are still waiting |
| 18:24.55 | jfreels | I checked the project out of svn, but none of the documentation in there helps me get it up and running...neither does the wiki |
| 18:24.57 | Dmitry_Platonov | jfreels, what revision is it? |
| 18:25.17 | ferric | summatusmentis: how does that make a difference? |
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| 18:25.25 | summatusmentis | ferric: cdma contract |
| 18:25.30 | ferric | oh shiet. |
| 18:25.39 | summatusmentis | ferric: yeah... 1.5 years left :-/ |
| 18:25.46 | guerby | counter |
| 18:25.46 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-19 00:49) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 65% in 20:47:07 (0.866±0.9 days) (1761;249) |
| 18:25.47 | ferric | i wonder if you can get gprs over t-mobile to go? |
| 18:26.02 | summatusmentis | I don't know... I've thought about something like that |
| 18:26.13 | jfreels | not sure, I don't have it in front of me, I took it home the other night to play with it and I left it there |
| 18:26.44 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: for instance, iirc, CoreDump|home has 2 different revisions of the noe |
| 18:26.48 | jfreels | i'll get back to you guys on the revision |
| 18:26.48 | summatusmentis | s/noe/neo/ |
| 18:27.05 | Dmitry_Platonov | jfreels, what subsystem will you develop? |
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| 18:28.35 | jfreels | no clue, I am just trying to get the thing to turn on and I have very little documentation that is helping me |
| 18:29.01 | xkr47 | you need documentation to turn it on ?-D |
| 18:29.11 | Dmitry_Platonov | jfreels, good luck |
| 18:29.49 | jfreels | HA, no, I already explained my problem....I turn it on...I see the splash screen and it just sits there. I can connect it and send commands to it wth my linux box, but it just won't seem to get to an interface |
| 18:29.49 | xkr47 | sorry guys, it sounds quite ok, but the rofl still came spontaniously nevertheless :) |
| 18:30.03 | xkr47 | doh |
| 18:30.07 | xkr47 | sorry I didn't read the scrollback |
| 18:30.16 | xkr47 | too much text |
| 18:30.17 | Markinoko | Kensan: thanks for the tip on the distro thing. could be useful too. I feel we have a very nice developpement platform there. the neo's going to be a hell of a good toy |
| 18:30.36 | xkr47 | should we have a parallell channel where you talk about development only |
| 18:30.47 | xkr47 | not about features, cool stuff etc |
| 18:31.00 | summatusmentis | jfreels: I have no idea as to the specifics of the neo, but I would assume the splash screen is a framebuffer thing, and it sounds like you're not switching from framebuffer to the GUI |
| 18:31.00 | jfreels | I dump the boot file onto the SD card and set it to boot from SD, but that fails also. And the damn error screen goes away so fast I don't really get a good look at it |
| 18:31.15 | xkr47 | use a camera ?-D |
| 18:31.42 | xkr47 | sorry panics |
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| 18:32.28 | summatusmentis | jfreels: I also assume you've got the most up to date boot file on the SD? |
| 18:33.23 | jfreels | yes, I believe I do...I got it from a link off the wiki |
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| 18:33.59 | jfreels | and I used my linux box to format the SD card ext2 |
| 18:34.17 | summatusmentis | hrm... |
| 18:34.17 | jfreels | I could see on the very quick flash of the error message that it didn't like the FAT file system |
| 18:34.38 | jfreels | so after the format, I can see something about "boot image not found in /boot" |
| 18:34.41 | jfreels | something along those lines |
| 18:35.10 | summatusmentis | can you link the page you are using? |
| 18:35.19 | jfreels | the one I got the image from? |
| 18:35.34 | summatusmentis | sure |
| 18:35.43 | jfreels | ok, let me try and dig it up |
| 18:36.55 | jfreels | this one... |
| 18:36.55 | jfreels | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/latest/ |
| 18:37.14 | woglinde | its linked in the wiki |
| 18:37.24 | xkr47 | jfreels, are you getting a phase 1 phone for free ? |
| 18:38.14 | jfreels | I guess it's phase 1, I got it a few weeks ago. |
| 18:38.23 | summatusmentis | jfreels: if the boot on the neo is anything like the boot on the zaurus, you can't put that on an SD card, I don't think |
| 18:38.40 | jfreels | it has a boot from SD... |
| 18:39.19 | jfreels | when you do the AUX-Power button combo it gives you a few options...boot from SD is one of them |
| 18:39.58 | summatusmentis | right, but I think the format of that image is intended only to be flashed |
| 18:40.13 | summatusmentis | now I may be wrong, but on the zaurus, you have to create a loopback image to boot from SD |
| 18:40.25 | jfreels | hmmmm |
| 18:40.49 | summatusmentis | again, I'm not familiar with openmoko/neo at all, you should stick around here, but that's how I do it on a zaurus |
| 18:41.36 | jfreels | okay, i'll keep playing around with it. When/if I figure it out, i'll post it somewhere to help some other poor soul who has to go through this |
| 18:41.54 | summatusmentis | is there a way to flash this image to the neo? |
| 18:42.05 | jfreels | yes, I could try that |
| 18:42.13 | abraxa_ | jfreels: Since you got it for free - did you also get the debug board? |
| 18:42.33 | jfreels | no, unfortunately I didn't get anything with it but the neoprene case |
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| 18:42.40 | abraxa_ | Bummer |
| 18:42.42 | summatusmentis | jfreels: the .jffs2 at the end to me suggests that this image is intended for internal flashing |
| 18:42.44 | jfreels | oh, and the usb cable and the SD card |
| 18:42.51 | don-o | a one-click refresh-the-moko-image is going to be really important soon |
| 18:43.45 | jfreels | cool, I'll give that a try tonight then. I just figured i'd try and get it to boot from SD before flashing it |
| 18:44.09 | summatusmentis | jfreels: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko |
| 18:44.13 | jfreels | and I do believe I have the phase 1...phase 0 is the orange one I believe...I have the black one |
| 18:44.26 | woglinde | summatusmentis hm uboot should be able to boot from sd card |
| 18:44.47 | summatusmentis | jfreels: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 18:45.01 | summatusmentis | woglinde: but with a .jffs2 image? |
| 18:45.56 | summatusmentis | jfreels: look at step 2 on the booting from sd page I linked you, the file you need to download needs to end in .tar.gz not .jffs2 |
| 18:46.54 | jfreels | that's just untaring the archive...i'll download it and see what's in it |
| 18:47.02 | woglinde | ???? |
| 18:47.51 | summatusmentis | woglinde: what's the '????' for? am I way off base? |
| 18:48.41 | jfreels | i'll be back tomorrow guys, I got a meeting in 10, gotta have a cig first. Thanks for your help sammatusmentis |
| 18:48.58 | summatusmentis | jfreels: sure thing, I think you untar the rootfs to the sd card |
| 18:49.01 | summatusmentis | good luck |
| 18:49.04 | jfreels | thanks! |
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| 18:49.30 | woglinde | summatusmentis no was for jfreels to because of the untar |
| 18:49.38 | summatusmentis | woglinde: oh, ok |
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| 18:50.10 | ferric | it would be nice to have a moko and no time to play with it :/ |
| 18:50.20 | summatusmentis | well, he's right, it was untar'ing an image |
| 18:50.25 | woglinde | ferric did you order one? |
| 18:50.29 | ferric | woglinde: yep |
| 18:50.42 | woglinde | ferric it will come |
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| 18:51.05 | summatusmentis | it'd be nice to have coding skills so I wouldn't have all this time, and I could do something useful instead of lurking |
| 18:51.07 | ferric | absolutely |
| 18:51.29 | ferric | summatusmentis: don't waste time, the only way to learn how to write code is to write code |
| 18:52.01 | summatusmentis | ferric: I know... I guess I get discouraged easily, and most of the code needing to be written now is way above my level |
| 18:52.53 | summatusmentis | but on my new MacBook I'll have room to setup openmoko under qemu :-) |
| 18:53.16 | ferric | heh heh |
| 18:53.24 | woglinde | summatusmentis I learned best too look at other code |
| 18:54.02 | ferric | rememebr the linux ipv6 stack was written by a guy that came on irc and kept asking stupid questions till he became good enough to have production code. |
| 18:54.14 | ferric | (or, something like that anyway :) |
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| 18:54.18 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 18:54.28 | summatusmentis | woglinde: I know... but currently I have very little HD space |
| 18:54.41 | summatusmentis | and ... well, I get discouraged easily :-) |
| 18:54.51 | woglinde | hm |
| 18:54.54 | drath | summatusmentis: rm -rf /media/pr0n ;) |
| 18:54.59 | woglinde | buy external disk |
| 18:55.06 | woglinde | they are cheaper then neo |
| 18:55.11 | summatusmentis | drath: :-P |
| 18:55.18 | summatusmentis | woglinde: I'm due for an upgrade in a week |
| 18:55.30 | summatusmentis | s/a week/~a week/ |
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| 18:56.40 | summatusmentis | which means 40 more GB :-) |
| 18:56.59 | woglinde | oh that should be okay |
| 18:57.04 | woglinde | for openembedded |
| 18:57.23 | summatusmentis | I've got OE now, but I wipe my tmp every 2 weeks because I run out of room |
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| 18:57.33 | summatusmentis | and it's a slow machine |
| 18:57.58 | summatusmentis | hey, I've gotta head out, good luck on you all getting your CCs charged :-) |
| 18:58.17 | woglinde | bye summatusmentis |
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| 19:10.46 | don-o | cool gallery of Tiny PCs http://www.wired.com/gadgets/pcs/multimedia/2007/07/gallery_tiny_pcs |
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| 19:31.17 | ScaredyCat | wher'es the foxboard in that don-o |
| 19:35.09 | mintee | has anyone recieved their order yet? |
| 19:36.42 | ferric | mintee: not P1. |
| 19:36.50 | ferric | mintee: two people have received shipping emails. |
| 19:37.49 | mintee | lol, 2 people |
| 19:38.02 | ferric | :) two people that we know. |
| 19:38.07 | sandos | don-o: "Throw in a USB hub and Bluetooth, and voilà: the world's slowest cluster. In a shoe box." - I like that quote. |
| 19:38.34 | ferric | heh |
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| 19:38.39 | juri_ | careful. openmosix developer here. i'm heavily concidering a cluster between my nokia 770 and the openmoko. ;) |
| 19:38.58 | summatusmentis | there aren't openmosix developers anymore, everyone knows that |
| 19:39.15 | juri_ | no. its just that moshe is no longer one of them. ;) |
| 19:39.29 | ScaredyCat | well, it wouldn't be slow if you had enough of them :) |
| 19:40.26 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Captain_morgan]] [[User_talk:Captain_morgan]] [[AR6K]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_San_Francisco]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Arizona]] [[Application_UI_Design_Recommendations]] [[Supported_Hardware]] [[Explaining_carriers_versus_phones]] |
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| 19:42.57 | ferric | lol |
| 19:43.01 | ferric | openmosix??! |
| 19:43.25 | summatusmentis | juri_: I expect a full 2.6 supported patch by tomorrow, ok? |
| 19:43.53 | juri_ | summatus: what kernel version is the openmoko by default? |
| 19:44.09 | summatusmentis | I thought it was 2.4? |
| 19:44.37 | juri_ | i have 2.6 process migration functioning on 2.6.17-x86_64, thanks to some of the remaining developers. |
| 19:44.47 | summatusmentis | oh really? cool |
| 19:44.56 | summatusmentis | I thought the only supported kernel was 2.4 |
| 19:45.04 | juri_ | not quite at a useful state.. theres still a nasty bug.. but syscalls are at least being performed nowadays. |
| 19:45.36 | juri_ | openmosix is not going to die. its just going to get stranger, as several people go in different directions with it. |
| 19:48.22 | summatusmentis | hrm |
| 19:49.33 | sandos | stranger? hmm |
| 19:49.56 | ScaredyCat | nice |
| 19:50.34 | juri_ | theres an effort to go completely user space with it, that has a lot of momentum, and theres the "stalled" 2.6 port, that recieves a patch every few weeks. i'm trying to get smart enough to contribute to the latter. ;) |
| 19:51.14 | juri_ | i'm good enough to find bugs, but not yet good enough to fix them. |
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| 19:58.59 | ferric | best of luck juri_ |
| 19:59.30 | juri_ | thanks. hopefully my openmoko won't distract me too much. :D |
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| 20:01.32 | summatusmentis | I'm all for completely userspace |
| 20:02.21 | ferric | juri_: get openmosix built on the neo! |
| 20:02.47 | juri_ | its on my todo list. just very far down it, at the moment. :) |
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| 20:08.41 | galexande | juri, you're a weirdo |
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| 20:09.04 | summatusmentis | but he's an openmosix weirdo |
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| 20:09.39 | ferric | lol |
| 20:09.59 | summatusmentis | which puts him a step above all the regular weirdos |
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| 20:10.34 | titi | hi |
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| 20:11.29 | titi | 300 dollar what in euro |
| 20:11.42 | radiorental_ | Speedevil? |
| 20:11.52 | titi | is that around 280 euro |
| 20:12.22 | titi | what about shipping costs in euro |
| 20:12.23 | Tob1 | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=300+dollar+in+euro&btnG=Google-Suche&meta= |
| 20:12.25 | jeddy3 | google 300 usd in euro |
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| 20:12.44 | jeddy3 | echo :) |
| 20:12.46 | summatusmentis | 217 euro |
| 20:12.47 | bedboi | 300*0.73 iirc |
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| 20:15.45 | titi | thanks |
| 20:16.05 | titi | so for belgium that would be 253 euro |
| 20:16.15 | titi | dont know about shipping |
| 20:16.39 | cel | up to 172$ to europe |
| 20:17.05 | SpeedEvil | They've gone with UPS |
| 20:17.10 | SpeedEvil | teh charges have gone down |
| 20:17.33 | cel | Speedevireally |
| 20:17.58 | cel | Speedevil: really cheaper shipping |
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| 20:18.26 | ferric | yes much cheapher shipping |
| 20:18.30 | ferric | overnight went fron 81 to 37usd |
| 20:19.25 | cel | shit i paid 172$ :( |
| 20:19.34 | galexande | cel, you ain't paid nothing yet |
| 20:19.42 | Kero | cool. They're not shipping, but they're certainly working on things. |
| 20:19.57 | cel | galexandre: thats true ;) |
| 20:20.15 | Kero | and given that I'll likely have to pay customs... I apprciate their effort. |
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| 20:21.58 | cel | kero: me too (450+172)*1,2 |
| 20:22.34 | quickdev | I've got order ticket #4060 - which was the first one? |
| 20:22.53 | ferric | #1820 |
| 20:23.04 | titi | 1,2 for customs europe? |
| 20:23.04 | aloril | titi: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 20:23.23 | cel | 20% |
| 20:23.29 | titi | K |
| 20:23.54 | titi | is that to be incalculated for europe |
| 20:23.57 | quickdev | ferric: So about 2000 phones are already sold? |
| 20:23.58 | cel | VAT |
| 20:24.07 | titi | ok |
| 20:24.21 | ferric | quickdev: that's impossible to tell |
| 20:24.24 | ferric | unless you're FIC :) |
| 20:24.33 | titi | so 3OO and 172 divided by 1,2 |
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| 20:24.59 | quickdev | I hope I will get mine in a week :) |
| 20:25.12 | cel | mokobot (300+172)*1,2= |
| 20:25.27 | titi | thats is 413 euro |
| 20:25.34 | titi | for the basic model |
| 20:25.51 | titi | wowi could have a htc touch sp |
| 20:26.04 | titi | smartphone for that price |
| 20:26.21 | titi | sure about the 1,2vat? |
| 20:26.40 | titi | I |
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| 20:27.00 | titi | ok |
| 20:27.44 | cel | (300+172)*1,2=566,4 |
| 20:27.51 | goki | So... is the Phase 2 phone really going to have all that stuff? It seems like it will be much much better than the current one? |
| 20:28.00 | cel | in austria we got 20% vat |
| 20:28.01 | goki | Also, $70 shipping to the UK? eh? |
| 20:28.02 | titi | ok G2 version with 4OO CPU and wifi and 256 RAM what is really strong hardware |
| 20:28.21 | titi | ok same as for belgium |
| 20:28.38 | cel | but there is a chaeper shipping available |
| 20:28.53 | titi | what about an upgrade for the GA |
| 20:29.03 | titi | G1 to G2 MOO |
| 20:29.06 | titi | MOBO |
| 20:29.11 | goki | All the shipping options were $70 or more, the last time I checked |
| 20:29.19 | goki | I'll have another look |
| 20:29.41 | cel | 172$ was on the 9. ups worldwide express plus |
| 20:30.08 | titi | shipping WORLDWIDE_EXPEDITED $ 50.29 USD $ 350.30 USD |
| 20:30.08 | titi | SAVER $ 52.63 USD $ 352.63 USD |
| 20:30.08 | titi | WORLDWIDE_EXPRESS $ 54.22 USD $ 354.22 USD |
| 20:30.08 | titi | WORLDWIDE_EXPRESS_PLUS $ 86.00 USD $ 386.00 USD |
| 20:30.28 | titi | for the basic model |
| 20:30.30 | cel | <ferric> said :: yes much cheapher shipping |
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| 20:30.44 | goki | ah it's down to $50 now |
| 20:30.54 | goki | That;s a bit better, though not cheap :) |
| 20:30.54 | LarstiQ | entirely depends on where you are located |
| 20:31.13 | goki | $50 for the UK, anyway |
| 20:31.24 | titi | what would be the shipping for belgium? anyone from belgium |
| 20:31.44 | titi | ps G1 to G2 MOBO replacement possible??? |
| 20:31.55 | Kero | shipping to .nl was very similar, if not the same as .be: $71 when I ordered on the 9th |
| 20:32.00 | bedboi | do you know what's the shipment price in the USA? |
| 20:32.30 | LarstiQ | bedboi: start the order process, it will tell you |
| 20:32.34 | titi | Kero that would be 50 usd now |
| 20:32.43 | goki | I think I'll wait for the phase 2, seems like the software is very rough at the moment. Is there an active development forum anywhere, so I can see how stuff is going? |
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| 20:33.08 | moo^ | goki: planet.openmoko.org has blog postings about development |
| 20:33.15 | titi | kero 36 euro for be shipping |
| 20:33.25 | titi | is that possible ??? |
| 20:33.54 | Kero | dunno :) |
| 20:34.59 | ulmen | there is no way to order without a credit card for now, right? |
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| 20:36.44 | Kero | titi: yes. ok, good to know. I would pay either way. |
| 20:37.49 | roh | ulmen not at the moment |
| 20:37.51 | ferric | everyone will get their phones, sooner or later. |
| 20:38.11 | roh | ulmen if we are lucky there will be a very limited amount of phones for sale at the camp |
| 20:38.20 | mmazur | hrw, ping |
| 20:39.05 | woglinde | he roh |
| 20:39.10 | roh | hey woglinde |
| 20:39.42 | ulmen | roh: funny, i'm not coming to the camp since my lift drops out, and thought about spending the money on a neo instead ;) |
| 20:39.59 | roh | ;) |
| 20:40.03 | woglinde | hehe lol |
| 20:40.15 | woglinde | wait for oktober |
| 20:40.35 | don-o | what camp is it? |
| 20:40.35 | ulmen | and since my current cellphone is about to fall apart, the need for a new one arose |
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| 20:40.47 | zecke | don-o: boy scout camp |
| 20:41.01 | ulmen | don-o: chaos communication camp in germany |
| 20:41.10 | woglinde | ulmen than wait for oktober |
| 20:41.12 | roh | ulmen its a development device. its not ready as a usable phone atm. |
| 20:41.29 | Kero | copy of the mailing lists, easily downloaded. |
| 20:41.31 | woglinde | ulmen you will not be lucky with gta04 |
| 20:41.38 | woglinde | ups gta01v4 |
| 20:41.49 | don-o | Kero: im wondering the same thing. |
| 20:41.53 | galexande | i intend to be happy with gta01v4 :) |
| 20:41.54 | Kero | dbus software, got some. |
| 20:41.55 | don-o | Kero: dbus documentation, mostly. |
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| 20:42.01 | Kero | imagination? |
| 20:42.31 | don-o | a think wad of euros? |
| 20:42.35 | don-o | s/think/thick/ |
| 20:42.48 | ulmen | roh: i am a developer, even for embedded ... but maybe you are right |
| 20:42.54 | Kero | it managed to parse the dbus events from hal and esd; not too bad. |
| 20:43.19 | don-o | nice. |
| 20:43.29 | galexande | ulmen, don't listen to him, i think we need more ambitious developers who believe it's a real phone already |
| 20:43.48 | don-o | the p1 will be my primary/only cell phone |
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| 20:43.55 | Kero | should probably spend the next our to see whether I can talk dbus *to* something else :) |
| 20:44.27 | ulmen | galexande: indeed i think real world usage is the best thing to test it ... and i'm not very dependent on my phone either ;) |
| 20:45.01 | Kero | mm, gonna read LWN first... |
| 20:49.51 | titi | C U around |
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| 21:36.33 | ewanm89_laptop | mokobot: uptime |
| 21:38.03 | Markinoko | ewanm89_laptop: it seems mokobot doesn't want to talk to you... that's kind of rude |
| 21:38.14 | Markinoko | is there a rude plugin now for bots ? |
| 21:38.22 | IRC | :) |
| 21:38.28 | ewanm89_laptop | Markinoko: It talked fine as it should. |
| 21:38.50 | Markinoko | ewanm89_laptop: private answer ? |
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| 21:39.09 | ewanm89_laptop | Just not publicly, and I'm running the bot so I could just read it's scrollback anyway. |
| 21:39.24 | ewanm89_laptop | Yes PM. |
| 21:39.46 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Games]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[Userspace_root_image]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Media_Content/ar]] [[Group_Order]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Help:Contents/ar]] [[Main_Page/ar]] [[AR6K]] [[SH1_FAQ]] [[Application_UI_Design_Recommendations]] |
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| 21:54.41 | woglinde | hehe |
| 21:55.36 | ScaredyCat | ~lart mokobot |
| 21:55.36 | apt | shoots mokobot in his sleep |
| 21:56.29 | ScaredyCat | !googlefight apt vs mokobot |
| 21:56.41 | ScaredyCat | booo!! |
| 21:57.33 | ScaredyCat | strange that lots of places in europe are way to hot and the uk is flooding... |
| 21:58.04 | quickdev | ScaredyCat: what do you mean by "flooding" ? |
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| 21:58.15 | ScaredyCat | water quickdev |
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| 21:58.21 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 21:58.35 | ScaredyCat | too much of it |
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| 21:58.54 | quickdev | sorry :P in which coherence? |
| 21:59.09 | ScaredyCat | ~lart quickdev |
| 21:59.09 | apt | whips out his power stapler and staples quickdev's foot to the floor |
| 22:00.05 | ScaredyCat | oh crap... |
| 22:00.06 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 22:00.18 | ScaredyCat | I just watched tivo'd news |
| 22:00.21 | quickdev | ah...you're talking of much rain - lol :D |
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| 22:01.06 | ewanm89_laptop | night |
| 22:01.15 | ScaredyCat | nite |
| 22:01.44 | calamous | Anyone else know of any billing updates? |
| 22:02.02 | ScaredyCat | there are none I'm afraid calamous |
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| 22:09.48 | ScaredyCat | plural don-o :) |
| 22:09.49 | Linux_Galore | I recently got some specs for a cordless phone for the military that costs $2k (no Im not kidding), the main feature is it support 3072 bit key exchange for encryption between handset, openmoko might want to look at selling a service ie "key exchange" as a income stream |
| 22:10.19 | mmazur | Well, yeah, theoretically we could encrypt conversations, ay? |
| 22:10.29 | Linux_Galore | yeah via a gpg key |
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| 22:10.36 | kristian-m | Markinoko have you created your own kernel image yet? (see: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/U-boot#Creating_bootable_images) |
| 22:10.37 | ckuethe | dumb idea |
| 22:10.38 | Aria | I don't think you can over the GSM, not with that module |
| 22:10.54 | ckuethe | just use the existing routines in openssl... magic key exchange |
| 22:10.54 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:11.18 | juri_ | aria: you could use sms to send the key level stuff, then do a standard audio call.. nyet? |
| 22:11.21 | SpeedEvil | mmazur: yes - with data mode GSM calls, or GPRS |
| 22:11.24 | Linux_Galore | well openmoko could offer a key exchange service |
| 22:11.29 | SpeedEvil | juri_: No. |
| 22:11.31 | ckuethe | yes, but not a good idea |
| 22:11.36 | mmazur | Aria, probable. The gsm module might be directly connected to the micset via the mixer, with no possibility of feeding anything else to it. |
| 22:11.45 | SpeedEvil | juri_: yuou can't send non-voice-like data through the modem. |
| 22:11.47 | mmazur | Aria, but if not, then we're free to encrypt. |
| 22:11.53 | SpeedEvil | The GSM codec throws it away. |
| 22:12.00 | mmazur | It does? :) |
| 22:12.02 | ckuethe | the real magic is finding a good compressor that can squish voice into about 3kbps, and then coding that as tones |
| 22:12.08 | SpeedEvil | You have to make a data call, use GPRS, or do _horrid_ hacks. |
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| 22:12.13 | SpeedEvil | And you can't use tones |
| 22:12.18 | ckuethe | tones that would be passed via gsm or something |
| 22:12.29 | SpeedEvil | There isn't such a thing. |
| 22:12.29 | ckuethe | that would of course qualify as a horrid hack |
| 22:12.32 | mmazur | ckuethe, so technically it's doable? |
| 22:12.35 | SpeedEvil | At significant bitrates. |
| 22:12.45 | Linux_Galore | well the military would love a mobile phone with encryption built in, they are paying $2k just for a domestic unit |
| 22:12.46 | SpeedEvil | The codec is designed to throw away non-voice-like noise. |
| 22:13.05 | SpeedEvil | What you have to do is to feed the data bits to a human throat model. |
| 22:13.16 | SpeedEvil | And then basically do voice recognition on the other end. |
| 22:13.16 | ckuethe | so we need to spend some time producing audio "symbols" that would pass. |
| 22:13.17 | mmazur | SpeedEvil, and music? |
| 22:13.29 | SpeedEvil | 1300 bits/sec has been gotten via this method. |
| 22:13.29 | mmazur | It doesn't even do music? |
| 22:13.43 | mmazur | Ouch. |
| 22:13.45 | SpeedEvil | Consider how distorted music is over GSM |
| 22:13.57 | Linux_Galore | Anyway it was just and idea so the openmoko guys can make a few extra bucks |
| 22:14.00 | mmazur | They've thought it well I see. |
| 22:14.24 | ckuethe | Linux_Galore: i'm unlikely to pay for that |
| 22:14.49 | ckuethe | i'd only "buy" crypto i had the source for, and it has to be significantly usable |
| 22:14.56 | ckuethe | ie. every openmoko phone can do it |
| 22:14.57 | Linux_Galore | ckuethe: your thinking of yourself, Im talking military and company execs who dont want shit out in the public |
| 22:15.03 | mmazur | Ok, bed time. Will test that music-through-gsm tomorrow. |
| 22:15.24 | ckuethe | yeah, i think they've learned that closed crypto doesn't really work too well |
| 22:15.59 | ckuethe | i find it highly improbable that an openmoko would gain the necessary certifications to be used in a military/gov't security context |
| 22:16.06 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 22:16.13 | SpeedEvil | But one-time-pads work just fine. |
| 22:16.13 | Linux_Galore | the GSM built in crypto has a master key in every country |
| 22:16.33 | SpeedEvil | And you can store a pretty large pad in a several gig SD |
| 22:16.41 | ckuethe | and for a company exec shelling out for a $450 smartphone, they'll want the security to be built in already |
| 22:16.48 | Linux_Galore | the USA I would bet has a copy of every master key |
| 22:16.58 | ckuethe | yeah, all 8 master keys. |
| 22:17.03 | SpeedEvil | It's trivial to build it in - if you are willing to add data calls only. |
| 22:17.15 | SpeedEvil | Which is fine for some. |
| 22:17.15 | ckuethe | the key is negotiated between the handset and the base |
| 22:17.29 | ckuethe | all the fun tapping happens at the base |
| 22:17.29 | Vegar | Linux_Galore: and why would they have that? |
| 22:17.39 | Linux_Galore | ckuethe: its well known that the USA sells technical information it gets from companies based outside of the US to their own local companies |
| 22:17.43 | ckuethe | and the A5 cipher isn't terribly strong anyway |
| 22:17.50 | SpeedEvil | One-time-pad++ |
| 22:18.01 | ckuethe | and vice versa. us companies get snooped by foreigns |
| 22:18.14 | Linux_Galore | ckuethe: thus cryptop |
| 22:18.21 | Linux_Galore | crypto* |
| 22:18.27 | SpeedEvil | A gigabyte of pad gives you days of calling. |
| 22:18.29 | ckuethe | thus cryptophone, whose source you can read. |
| 22:19.12 | Linux_Galore | ckuethe: you can read the source all you want the keys are not in there |
| 22:19.37 | ckuethe | after a risk assessment wherein it is determined that i need a cryptophone, my security consultant is likely to also inform me of the possibility of back doors. |
| 22:20.07 | ckuethe | keys can be generated on the fly |
| 22:20.28 | Linux_Galore | ckuethe: yes and they mean nothing thus the key exchange |
| 22:20.46 | ckuethe | sample LSBs from the microphone, the temperature sensor, the accelerometers, gps... lots of random bits |
| 22:21.07 | ckuethe | use those to drive openssl to do some kind of key exchange |
| 22:21.36 | ckuethe | i fail to see where openmoko would have a market for a key exchange app |
| 22:21.47 | SpeedEvil | The problem isn't with the crypto. |
| 22:21.50 | ckuethe | with DH, you could do it over SMS |
| 22:21.52 | SpeedEvil | The problem is with the data. |
| 22:22.05 | SpeedEvil | If you can send data, crypto is easy. |
| 22:22.05 | ckuethe | just as long as you do MITM-detection |
| 22:22.13 | Linux_Galore | ckuethe: well these military phones Im looking at can do their own key exchange the users just need to be in close range when they register each other keys |
| 22:22.17 | ckuethe | SpeedEvil: indeed. |
| 22:22.24 | SpeedEvil | But GPRS has _horrible_ lag. Which is only really adequate for push-talk. |
| 22:22.40 | SpeedEvil | And data calls typically cost more and have to be enabled. |
| 22:22.42 | ckuethe | ah, then the feature these phones offer is not so much confidentiality as authenticity |
| 22:22.56 | ckuethe | i can set up a private call with anyone i like... easy |
| 22:23.07 | Linux_Galore | ckuethe: well with a domestic unit there is nothing right now |
| 22:23.08 | ckuethe | being sure that i'm talking to who i think i am... harder |
| 22:23.27 | ckuethe | but with bluetooth or wifi, that becomes a trivial task |
| 22:23.49 | ckuethe | here, push this button, put your phones in a metal box, and wait a minute |
| 22:24.06 | SpeedEvil | the right way is near-field communication. |
| 22:24.11 | SpeedEvil | With a range of centimeters. |
| 22:24.17 | SpeedEvil | Rather than putting them in a box. |
| 22:24.35 | ckuethe | maybe over audio? |
| 22:24.44 | ckuethe | mic-speaker crossover cable? |
| 22:25.02 | ckuethe | though i'd be worried more about tempest attacks then |
| 22:25.11 | SpeedEvil | For the two-phone case, you could just put them 'head to tail' |
| 22:25.18 | SpeedEvil | and do the accoustic-coupler thing. |
| 22:25.30 | SpeedEvil | With minimum energy to actually recieve. |
| 22:25.35 | ckuethe | ah... set security level 69 |
| 22:25.38 | SpeedEvil | And lots of confounding signa. |
| 22:26.01 | ckuethe | make sure the gsm blob is turned off. those things are way noisy |
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| 22:30.33 | Linux_Galore | This the is phone -> http://gigaset.siemens.com/shc/cds/frontdoor/0,1935,hq_en_0_136412_rArNrNrNrN_1%253A136412,00.html |
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| 22:31.57 | ckuethe | looks like it uses landlines though |
| 22:32.14 | ckuethe | which have way higher bandwidth and better latency |
| 22:32.25 | Linux_Galore | a brief of the phone -> http://gigaset.siemens.com/shc/0,1935,hq_en_0_136328_rArNrNrNrN,00.html |
| 22:32.30 | kinscore | can someone tell me which device file is the touchscreen pointer? I've tried cat and od to output /dev/input/event?, /dev/input/mice and /dev/input/touchscreen0 but none give anything |
| 22:32.31 | aloril | kinscore: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 22:33.04 | Linux_Galore | no has done an unpacking/unboxing video of an openmoko |
| 22:33.15 | SpeedEvil | Check /var/adm/X*log |
| 22:33.17 | SpeedEvil | maybe |
| 22:33.22 | SpeedEvil | or might it be /dev/mouse |
| 22:33.25 | ckuethe | pushing 28k8 between analog modems over PSTN is easy |
| 22:33.41 | ckuethe | and you can fit gobs of crypto and voice into 28k8 |
| 22:34.07 | SpeedEvil | If you've got a data channel, the rest is easy. |
| 22:34.23 | Linux_Galore | Im thinking if we can make the openmoko "more secure" it gives it an advantage |
| 22:34.39 | ckuethe | *a good enough data channel |
| 22:34.44 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 22:34.49 | kinscore | thanks, SpeedEvil, I'll try that soon |
| 22:34.49 | SpeedEvil | RFC1149 won't cut it. |
| 22:35.14 | ckuethe | we can put data over the voice channel... maybe not enough to matter though |
| 22:35.27 | ckuethe | we can put data over the data channel... but probably too laggy to matter |
| 22:35.38 | SpeedEvil | You can get to 1.3kbits/s - aha - now I have logs I can maybe dig up that paper. |
| 22:35.49 | ckuethe | we can put data over wifi... but that requires too much IP infrastructure to matter |
| 22:35.52 | SpeedEvil | The 1.3kbits/s paper |
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| 22:36.16 | ckuethe | i'd be ok with a PTT cryptophone that didn't make me use a data plan |
| 22:38.23 | ckuethe | back later... |
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| 22:46.12 | kristian-m | kinscore try /dev/input/touchscreen0 |
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| 22:58.18 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: just saw your edit to the wiki... They can block your SIM just because you are using a non-3G phone? |
| 22:58.48 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: I have not had it done to me, however it was commonly known on the forums of people using it at that time. |
| 22:58.53 | SpeedEvil | Basically. |
| 22:59.03 | SpeedEvil | Almost all their profit is based on '3G' services. |
| 22:59.14 | SpeedEvil | For example, video clips, ... |
| 22:59.31 | SpeedEvil | They use other peoples networks to infill where there is no 3G |
| 22:59.37 | SpeedEvil | (this is for '3' in the UK) |
| 22:59.52 | SpeedEvil | so it actually costs them much more to provide it. |
| 23:00.14 | SpeedEvil | This may have changed since a year or so ago. |
| 23:00.20 | cjb_ie | same for '3' in ireland though i haven't heard of them blocking sims here. |
| 23:00.27 | SpeedEvil | This is the same provider that did 3G phones with glued-in-phones. |
| 23:00.31 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 23:00.36 | SpeedEvil | s/phones/SIMs/ |
| 23:00.49 | cjb_ie | and they don't do sim packs. |
| 23:00.55 | SpeedEvil | Which - to be fair - the phones were sold to end users at a _vast_ discount. |
| 23:01.16 | SpeedEvil | And people simply buying for resale in third countries was a problem. |
| 23:01.43 | SpeedEvil | s/people/buisnesses/. |
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| 23:08.50 | cesarb | why do people have to make sites with flash... |
| 23:09.08 | mellon | So that you can easily skip the ads without installing any extra softwar? |
| 23:09.18 | mellon | Er, software... |
| 23:09.27 | cesarb | the link to the flash memory page/manual at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware is dead |
| 23:09.39 | cesarb | and the site is so flash-heavy I cannot find it |
| 23:09.47 | SpeedEvil | Oh yeah. |
| 23:09.53 | SpeedEvil | Samsung recently fucked up their site. |
| 23:10.15 | cesarb | (of course, there is no flash for more modern machines like x86-64, so I cannot install it even if I want to, unless I do ugly kludges) |
| 23:10.17 | cjb_ie | is there an equivalent part from another manufacturer? |
| 23:10.50 | cesarb | cjb_ie: I'm not interested in equivalent parts, I want to update the link on the page (and download a copy for safekeeping) |
| 23:11.06 | cjb_ie | often when developing hardware i find it helpful to have a datasheet for a workalike part |
| 23:11.09 | cjb_ie | oh, fair enough. |
| 23:11.09 | mellon | what's the URL? my browser does flash... :') |
| 23:11.29 | cesarb | mellon: http://www.samsung.com/products/semiconductor/NANDFlash/SLC_SmallBlock/512Mbit/K9F1208U0B/K9F1208U0B.htm |
| 23:11.45 | mellon | wow. you weren't kidding. |
| 23:12.01 | cesarb | mellon: I would like to find the page for K9F1208U0B and the ds_k9f1208x0b_rev03.pdf file |
| 23:12.10 | mellon | ok, looking. |
| 23:12.22 | cjb_ie | it's ironic that flash is preventing access to info on... flash parts :-) |
| 23:13.16 | cesarb | cjb_ie: lol |
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| 23:13.56 | mellon | http://www.samsung.com/global/system/business/semiconductor/product/2007/6/11/NANDFlash/SLC_SmallBlock/512Mbit/K9F1208U0B/ds_k9f1208x0b_rev03.pdf |
| 23:14.18 | mellon | Is that what you wanted? |
| 23:14.46 | cjb_ie | wow, did they take the original url and pass it through make-a-really-really-long-url.com ? |
| 23:15.15 | Aria | Sounds like a reasonable URL for a product set that big. |
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| 23:15.33 | mellon | Yes, it's a new endeavor from tinyurl.com - they're trying to diversify so as to avoid exposure to market fluctuations. |
| 23:23.27 | cesarb | mellon: looks great, thanks. did you find the product page? |
| 23:23.40 | cesarb | mellon: do you want to update the wiki or want to leave it to me? |
| 23:23.56 | mellon | I found a page where I could search on the part number you gave me, and yeah, that took me to the product page. |
| 23:24.21 | mellon | It's probably better if you do it, because I wasn't actually able to find the link you were referring to. |
| 23:24.21 | kristian-m | mellon, cesarb updated the wiki |
| 23:25.01 | mellon | ok |
| 23:26.30 | cesarb | mellon: what was updated was the datasheet url only... could you tell us also the product page url? |
| 23:26.46 | mellon | Oof, didn't write that down. Hang on a sec. |
| 23:30.48 | mellon | I updated the product page on the wiki. You might want to tweak those links - I just copied what you did, but it's not very pretty. |
| 23:30.57 | mellon | That is, the links are kind of tiny... :') |
| 23:31.46 | SpeedEvil | popping up a box for you to enter every form entry into when you click a form entry. |
| 23:31.47 | mellon | t3h 3v1l |
| 23:31.49 | SpeedEvil | _broken_ |
| 23:31.50 | cesarb | mellon: cool, thanks |
| 23:31.52 | mellon | np |
| 23:32.17 | mellon | On safari that link resize the main browser window! :'O |
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| 23:34.50 | goki | Does anyone know if there is a reduction on phase 2 for buyers of phase 1.5? |
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| 23:35.01 | goki | otherwise I think I can only afford one or the other :) |
| 23:35.13 | mellon | Current word is no, although there's been talk about shipping just the board (not that that would save a lot of money). |
| 23:35.19 | goki | yup |
| 23:35.30 | goki | I think if it was just board, I would go for 2 phones instead |
| 23:35.43 | mellon | Depends on the price difference, I guess. |
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| 23:35.47 | goki | yup |
| 23:35.52 | mellon | You can always do something cool with the old board... :') |
| 23:36.01 | goki | but like you say I can't see that it would be much cheaper without the case |
| 23:36.18 | cesarb | goki: the discount is already embedded on GTA01's price |
| 23:36.20 | mellon | Well, it would save you the cost of the LCD and other parts, so it might be worth it - you never know... |
| 23:36.42 | goki | cesarb: so that's why it is $300 and phase 2 $450? |
| 23:37.01 | mellon | I am hoping that I'll be able to reuse the debug board on the phase two phone. |
| 23:37.02 | rwhitby | wifi, accells, etc. more expensive processor |
| 23:37.23 | goki | yeah I was assuming the extra cost was because of the better hardware |
| 23:37.24 | mellon | OTOH, if you get phase 1, you're probably smarter to wait for phase 3 rather than jumping on phase 2 anyway. |
| 23:37.40 | goki | phase 2 sounds much closer to what I want, either 3G or WIFI |
| 23:37.44 | goki | 3G would be the best :) |
| 23:37.50 | cesarb | goki: partially... phase 2 also has more components |
| 23:37.54 | rwhitby | mellon: I wouldn't expect them to change the debug interface - remember the problems they had getting the flexible cable designed and manufactured? now they have a working one, they won't want to change it. |
| 23:38.08 | mellon | I hope you are right! |
| 23:38.29 | rwhitby | they don't have the time to redesign that bit anyway :-) |
| 23:38.39 | goki | So are there many people outside FIC/openmoko working on the software now? |
| 23:38.56 | mellon | In the U.S. at least, t-mobile is the only provider with a decently-priced IP plan, so the only upgrade to the modem that I'd care about is support for EDGE. |
| 23:39.03 | rwhitby | there are over 1K unique IP downloads of MokoMakefile ... |
| 23:39.18 | cesarb | urgh, the SDRAM's product/datasheet links is also broken |
| 23:39.26 | goki | Yeah but I downloaded that stuff and I never even got it running ;) |
| 23:39.31 | mellon | I'll take a look. |
| 23:39.37 | cesarb | rwhitby: I probably am responsible for 3 of these |
| 23:39.41 | rwhitby | goki: you're in the minority then |
| 23:39.51 | cesarb | rwhitby: looks like my ISP's NAT changed twice these last weeks |
| 23:40.17 | rwhitby | cesarb: yeah, there's probably people developing who don't use MokoMakefile too |
| 23:40.36 | rwhitby | that's why I'm careful to say unique IP downloads, and not users :-) |
| 23:40.39 | goki | rwhitby: I got the emu thingy running, but it had multiple problems, I think I got a few icons but that was it :) |
| 23:40.46 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Hardware]] [[User_talk:Michaelshiloh]] [[CDC_ACM]] [[Explaining_carriers_versus_phones]] [[User:Michaelshiloh]] [[P1_Owners]] |
| 23:41.42 | happycube | i think i downloaded it from two hosts |
| 23:41.49 | happycube | (and got it compiled on both) |
| 23:41.56 | cesarb | rwhitby: you could try counting unique /24s |
| 23:42.23 | cesarb | rwhitby: would probably give a better statistic (perhaps slightly understimating if there are two or more developers living near) |
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| 23:42.28 | mellon | cesarb: try now? |
| 23:42.36 | happycube | it's still a good number :) |
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| 23:43.29 | goki | I couldn't find much in the way of specs for the 3d acceleration for phase 2, does it handle openGL ES? |
| 23:43.48 | cesarb | mellon: works fine now... I hope that's the last one ;-) |
| 23:43.49 | happycube | yeah but i dunno if it's fixed-function or programmable |
| 23:44.03 | goki | fixed function is pretty good for a small device |
| 23:44.09 | goki | as long as it isn't too slow |
| 23:44.10 | happycube | *nod* |
| 23:44.23 | happycube | programmable gpu's are so damn cool tho |
| 23:44.27 | goki | I was amazed that any ES stuff did shaders, frankly :) |
| 23:44.34 | happycube | i think it's mandatory in es 2.0 |
| 23:44.38 | goki | wow |
| 23:45.08 | happycube | "OpenGL ES 2.0 does not support the fixed function transformation and fragment pipeline of OpenGL ES 1.x." |
| 23:45.17 | CoreDump|home | mwester: go and find out ;)+ |
| 23:45.18 | goki | shame the neo doesn't have a d-pad and some fire buttons :) |
| 23:45.35 | mellon | It's got a USB port... |
| 23:45.38 | rwhitby | mwester: none of those companies allow monotone through the firewall, so it's probably very few. |
| 23:45.44 | goki | yup and bluetooth |
| 23:46.00 | goki | but it would be the right shape for some buttons on the top and bottom :) |
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| 23:46.33 | CoreDump|home | it would be interesting to parse all IPs of users on this channel as well |
| 23:46.57 | cesarb | CoreDump|home: not easy, some people have cloaks |
| 23:47.08 | goki | I used to have one, until I lost the password :( |
| 23:47.14 | cesarb | CoreDump|home: for instance, mine is cesarb@wikipedia/cesarb |
| 23:47.28 | goki | so is the October date for phase 2 realistic? |
| 23:47.36 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
| 23:47.40 | SpeedEvil | Hardware - maybe. |
| 23:47.49 | SpeedEvil | Software - almost certainly not. |
| 23:47.54 | goki | yup |
| 23:48.22 | goki | You think there is much chance of any other software distros for the device? It seems like at least a possibility, given the reasonable hardware |
| 23:48.33 | Aria | It's possible for sure. |
| 23:48.36 | mellon | I wouldn't mind a NetBSD kernel for it. |
| 23:48.41 | goki | I mean, I have two different ARM boards at work with debian installs |
| 23:48.46 | Aria | I rather think the software will be usable in October. |
| 23:48.50 | mellon | (Just because I've never really figured out the Linux build system) |
| 23:49.12 | SpeedEvil | Aria: I have doubts that enough will be available to make it worthwhile to purchase. |
| 23:49.13 | Aria | mellon: That's because there isn't one. There's OE's, Debian's, Redhat's, PLD's... |
| 23:49.23 | mellon | Yeah, tell me about it. |
| 23:49.34 | SpeedEvil | To take advantage of all the hardware that is. |
| 23:49.38 | Aria | SpeedEvil: Have you /tried/ the apps that are out there for embedded platforms? All that's really needed is integration work. |
| 23:49.41 | goki | It's a long while since I used any handheld graphical stuff, but I remember GPE and Opie being pretty reasonable |
| 23:49.48 | Aria | All that's missing is cell calling and GPS stuff. |
| 23:50.03 | SpeedEvil | Aria: yes - integration work - getting them all to a consistent UI - is moderately tricky though. |
| 23:50.11 | Aria | Nah. |
| 23:50.17 | mellon | I was pretty interested in the raw frame buffer support that Harald (I think!) was playing with in one of the videos. |
| 23:50.24 | SpeedEvil | If you just want to jam all apps on randomly, then that could be lots easier. |
| 23:50.36 | goki | Just working would be fine, it doesn't need a super fancy UI. In fact I would rather have a MUCH less fancy UI than some of the stuff being talked about on the wiki |
| 23:50.45 | goki | just plain clearlooks or something would be excellent |
| 23:51.15 | Aria | Yeah, for looks the moko theme is decent. There needs to be some libfinger integration of some stuff, but it's in good shape. |
| 23:51.17 | goki | Without this phantom multi-touch that is suddenly going to appear without the need for any hardware support |
| 23:51.24 | SpeedEvil | mellon: But do you really want seventeen different UIs for seventeen different apps. |
| 23:52.01 | SpeedEvil | IMO, that's gotta be fixed before launch. |
| 23:52.03 | Aria | The GPE stuff is REALLY close. |
| 23:52.12 | mellon | Dunno. What I really want is something small, tight and fast, with a really clean system for doing UIs. But I don't claim that what I want is the only thing one might want... :') |
| 23:52.15 | Aria | REtheming makes it seem more integrated than my phone already is. |
| 23:53.13 | goki | Some of the screenshots look really good, but others seem a little odd, like the stuff where the top and bottom panes in the same app look different, and it looks like there is a movable splitpane, which I can't imagine ever using |
| 23:53.24 | goki | looks a little busy with lots and lots of nested frames and borders |
| 23:53.35 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 23:53.40 | mellon | I think there's a lot to be learned from the iPhone UI. |
| 23:53.46 | SpeedEvil | It's _gotta_ be consistent. |
| 23:53.50 | Aria | Yeah, that's the moko style -- the split is supposed to be list above, detail below. |
| 23:53.53 | SpeedEvil | For end-users. |
| 23:54.08 | goki | Aria: yeah but does it have to have so much border on such a small screen? |
| 23:54.24 | SpeedEvil | Aria: that might not be so bad - with a standard way to throw the split to fullscreen eitherway |
| 23:54.28 | Aria | I'm not sure. I haven't actually used it with the moko theme in a neo shaped space yet. |
| 23:54.50 | Aria | Yeah, possibly. |
| 23:54.52 | goki | Like this one: http://wiki.openmoko.org/images/c/c4/Layout_stylus_template.png |
| 23:54.54 | SpeedEvil | The worst possible user is one that's tried the neo, doesn't like it, and tells all their friends that it's hard to use. |
| 23:55.03 | SpeedEvil | And if we launch too early we will get those. |
| 23:55.20 | goki | The actual bit that is displaying the list of contacts (the important bit) is tiny |
| 23:55.41 | goki | Not that the iphone is perfect, but it makes the list nearly full screen AFAIK |
| 23:56.03 | mellon | Yeah, they do a good job of that. |
| 23:56.05 | SpeedEvil | One way that might help is to be able to drag the 'find' box up or down with a finger. |
| 23:56.06 | goki | it's ok in that screenshot with maybe 10 people, but with 100 it will be a huge pain to scroll through |
| 23:56.24 | koen | SpeedEvil: wait for o-hand to merge their UI rewrite, it's sweet |
| 23:56.28 | SpeedEvil | Part of the consideration is to keep the top panel visible when the keyb pops up. |
| 23:56.31 | koen | with inertial scrolling and all |
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| 23:56.49 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
| 23:57.00 | goki | SpeedEvil: yeah that makes sense, but the list could get smaller when the KB appears |
| 23:57.22 | goki | SpeedEvil: plus you probably don't need totype when you are looking for a contact |
| 23:57.41 | SpeedEvil | True. I was meaning in general. |
| 23:57.45 | goki | The icons and the actual artwork look nice though |
| 23:57.52 | SpeedEvil | Thouhg consider typing the name of the contact |
| 23:58.01 | SpeedEvil | and stopping when you can pick it with the stylus |
| 23:58.04 | goki | SpeedEvil: yup like an autocomplete thing |
| 23:58.40 | Aria | Ayuh |
| 23:58.54 | Aria | I should so implement an applet that lets you use palm gestures. |
| 23:59.12 | goki | I always kind of liked graffiti |
| 23:59.19 | SpeedEvil | Me too. |
| 23:59.21 | goki | I think anything like that is patented though |
| 23:59.25 | SpeedEvil | I could never get >8wpm though. |
| 23:59.43 | SpeedEvil | And I can get >8wpm one-fingered on an upside-down keyboard |
