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| 00:03.03 | *** topic/#openmoko is wiki.openmoko.org <> Buy now for $300 from www.openmoko.com - Direct Link to Buy: https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping date projected at 2007-07-16 or later; If you ordered early, reply YES_I_DO (or CANCEL) to mail asking confirmation |
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| 00:05.28 | kristian-m | cibomahto it would just be a beta - and I'll first have to create a describing /etc/motd, have to delete my password hashes and create a fs to copy it to... |
| 00:07.48 | cibomahto | kristian-M: so, what would will you put in the environment? I guess my goal was to have something that didn't require 10 hours of compiling to poke around in |
| 00:09.30 | cibomahto | kristian-m: I'm not sure if that was what you had in mind or not. |
| 00:10.08 | kristian-m | cibomahto I just finished the 10h trip - actually after trying it again in a chroot as I had some trouble last night with the new glibc verion on my hostsystem |
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| 00:11.16 | kristian-m | cibomahto so everythin is up and running here - and everything provided by the mokomake makefile should be compiled |
| 00:12.58 | cibomahto | kristian-m: ok, that sounds about right, unless we are missing something and this can just be downloaded from the openmoko system somehow |
| 00:13.56 | kristian-m | okay, then i'll start now |
| 00:16.52 | cibomahto | kristian-m: cool |
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| 00:18.56 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Application_UI_Design_Recommendations]] [[How_to_run_OpenMoko_Apps_on_PC]] [[Wishlist:Unlikely]] [[Hardware:AGPS]] |
| 00:19.07 | dcordes | The gui is very stylish. |
| 00:19.15 | andylockran | how do guys |
| 00:19.29 | andylockran | I managed to stay off IRC all weekend.. well until now |
| 00:20.07 | miip | it monday dude |
| 00:20.16 | miip | +is |
| 00:20.40 | cibomahto | miip: in some parts of the world, anyway |
| 00:20.46 | miip | ;) |
| 00:21.09 | andylockran | yeah, but still the weekend as I've not slept yet :) |
| 00:21.21 | andylockran | anyhow.. to sleep I go now! |
| 00:21.35 | miip | heh me too |
| 00:21.37 | miip | gn8 |
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| 00:24.17 | gletob | hello |
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| 01:35.50 | jadams | has anyone got vim running on the openmoko? |
| 01:38.03 | cibomahto | jadams: I haven't tried yet |
| 01:38.46 | cibomahto | jadams: I am assuming that the vi clone in busybox isn't cutting it for you? |
| 01:42.39 | jadams | cibomahto: I would want vim vim anyway |
| 01:42.48 | jadams | I mean, I'll try it out...but I doubt it |
| 01:43.05 | jadams | desert island application, vim is |
| 01:43.39 | cibomahto | sure |
| 01:44.12 | cibomahto | its a good idea |
| 01:44.25 | cibomahto | but you might want a bt keyboard first :-) |
| 01:53.25 | jadams | cibomahto: on the list |
| 01:53.34 | jadams | I'm going to get a fabric bt keyboard I can roll up to start with |
| 01:53.59 | jadams | planning on potentially getting a little mag sheet and cutting it up and making a stand to hold out a few inches in front of the phone, attach it to a custom stand for the phone |
| 01:54.15 | jadams | so I can try to use the display in laptop config |
| 01:54.35 | cibomahto | jadams: cool, it sounds like fun |
| 01:55.19 | cibomahto | jadams: i think it might be good as a scientific calculator if Python gets set up correctly |
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| 02:01.38 | dcsmith_ | is there an easy way to try out openmoko on ubuntu gutsy? |
| 02:02.52 | kristian-m | dcsmith_ I'm just creating an chroot-image - will be online tomorrow |
| 02:03.10 | dcsmith | nice |
| 02:03.32 | cesarb | counter? |
| 02:03.33 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-14 16:40) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 65% in a day 09:56:27 (1.414±1.0 days) (1746;248) |
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| 02:07.03 | ferric | man, that's exciting. it might ship tomorrow. |
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| 02:10.43 | jadams | dcsmith: how is gutsy at present? |
| 02:10.56 | jadams | I'm about to get a new laptop, might consider installing it if it's stable |
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| 02:12.27 | summatusmentis | kristian-m: how would the chroot image work? it'd be built for x86 then right? |
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| 02:13.48 | cibomahto | summatusmentis: I think it would have to be run in an environment compatible with what it was built on |
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| 02:15.05 | summatusmentis | cibomahto: oh... wait, why? chroot just shifts the root to the new dir... using the entire toolchain setup there. Unless somehow the toolchain/system tools are somehow linked to the build machine... |
| 02:16.27 | cibomahto | summatusmentis: i guess you are right, yeah |
| 02:17.19 | cibomahto | summatusmentis: as long as the kernel is compatible... could be interesting, but it will probably work. |
| 02:17.48 | cibomahto | (because you still need to link /dev and /proc) |
| 02:17.50 | summatusmentis | the only thing I can think of is if somehow the chroot dir is built and linked to the libs from the host system |
| 02:18.04 | summatusmentis | true.. I forgot about kernel |
| 02:18.29 | summatusmentis | well, but chroot would need to be built for the host machine arch, so I don't see why it wouldn't be compatible |
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| 02:19.16 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Clocks]] [[Test_Openmoko_Emulation_with_chroot_image]] [[Modular_phone]] [[Talk:Modular_phone]] |
| 02:19.53 | cibomahto | summatusmentis: I dont have too much experiance with this, but if any of the interfaces that device modules were presenting had changed, then it seems like they might not work |
| 02:22.03 | summatusmentis | I suppose that's possible... hrm |
| 02:23.00 | cesarb | summatusmentis: the kernel interfaces aren't that volatile |
| 02:23.29 | summatusmentis | cesarb: what do you mean volatile? |
| 02:23.49 | cibomahto | cesarb: any other ideas about things that might not be compatible? |
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| 02:24.41 | cesarb | cibomahto: the chroot takes care of the most common incompatibility source (lib versions), and the kernel interfaces don't change too often (except for sysfs, but a development environment wouldn't depend on sysfs stuff) |
| 02:25.10 | cibomahto | cesarb: oh, good |
| 02:25.12 | cesarb | cibomahto: the problem would mostly be with kernel modules to do usb stuff (not the dfu flasher, which IIRC uses libusb) |
| 02:26.16 | cibomahto | kristian-m: what distro are you using, btw? |
| 02:26.58 | cibomahto | cesarb: thanks. |
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| 02:27.31 | cesarb | cibomahto: loopback mount? why? |
| 02:28.16 | cesarb | A simple .tar.bz2 would be way more efficient (sharing free space with the host filesystem) |
| 02:28.40 | cibomahto | cesarb: hmm? i was asking kristian-m because I am still thinking about making a LiveCD package to include the chroot environment |
| 02:28.59 | cesarb | cibomahto: ah, I see, the wiki page isn't yours |
| 02:29.03 | cesarb | cibomahto: sorry |
| 02:29.04 | cibomahto | cesarb: I guess it doesnt really matter. I use gentoo but i wouldnt wish that on an unsuspecting user |
| 02:29.11 | cibomahto | cesarb: no problems |
| 02:30.50 | sagacis | is the wiki down? |
| 02:31.17 | cibomahto | ok, i have to go, see you all later. |
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| 02:47.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 639 has been created by bmidgley(AT)gmail.com |
| 02:47.02 | cdbot2 | * * bluetooth panel can't power up radio |
| 02:47.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=639 |
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| 02:47.41 | jackey | hey guys |
| 02:48.49 | goodfoot | hello |
| 02:49.41 | goodfoot | Anyone got emacs to work? |
| 02:51.22 | jackey | anyone here know how to check the placed order? |
| 02:51.38 | goodfoot | note:this is a serious question. |
| 02:52.18 | jackey | run emacs on openmoko? |
| 02:54.22 | ferric | jackey: reply to the email |
| 02:55.17 | bmidgley | jackey: i hope you have a bt keyboard |
| 02:55.25 | bmidgley | it's already painful enough using the soft keyboard |
| 02:56.05 | jackey | I said YES_I_DO |
| 02:56.12 | bmidgley | emacs bindings are going to be like 8 taps to do c-x c-c |
| 02:56.16 | jackey | just do not know when I can get them. |
| 02:56.17 | Tv | jackey: ORANGE |
| 02:56.31 | cesarb | bmidgley: come one, it's a neo? where's your creativity? |
| 02:56.36 | jackey | [rt.internal.openmoko.org #2013] |
| 02:56.43 | cesarb | bmidgley: you just have to create a special soft keyboard for emacs use |
| 02:56.51 | cesarb | bmidgley: with quick access to ctrl, for instance |
| 02:56.53 | jackey | if someone here can check my order, plz help me |
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| 02:57.13 | jackey | why run emacs |
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| 02:57.23 | cesarb | jackey: why not? |
| 02:57.44 | ferric | is anyone running the dev environment in freebsd? |
| 02:57.53 | cesarb | jackey: it's known as "Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping", and the neo has way more than 8 megabytes, so it should work fine ;-) |
| 02:57.56 | jackey | got a bluetooth keyboard, of course u can |
| 02:58.06 | ferric | jackey: haave faith |
| 02:58.26 | jackey | software keypad is a good solution too |
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| 02:58.41 | jackey | i would like to see some handwriting abbility too |
| 02:59.00 | holycow | not me |
| 02:59.05 | jackey | i am trying to put some handwriting stuff too here. |
| 02:59.30 | holycow | personally i disagree on the handwriting stuff |
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| 02:59.58 | holycow | i think considering the vast amounts of efforts required to program and maintain hand recognition software in comparions to its utility that its a huge waste of time and energy |
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| 03:00.13 | jackey | me neither, but you need make this as an option as a product, am i right? |
| 03:00.22 | holycow | if you want to do something really fantastic, add voice recognition software |
| 03:00.45 | holycow | well maybe on something with larger screen realestate, the lcd is so small you can barely write more than 1 letter at a time |
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| 03:01.45 | jackey | 320*240 is good enough, i guess |
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| 03:02.23 | jackey | again, i just sent an email to Sean to check my order, hope i can get them quickly |
| 03:02.34 | jackey | really pissed off by lacking of debug board |
| 03:02.39 | goodfoot | jackey: It's just cool. Hook up a keyboard via bluetooth, and use emacs. E-mail, notes, etc... |
| 03:02.53 | holycow | good point |
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| 03:06.07 | holycow | jackey, on second thought you are probably right |
| 03:06.32 | holycow | i was thinking purely in terms of useability but you are right, asshat users will be asking for stuff like this whether they use it or not |
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| 03:09.33 | jackey | goodfoot, NEO need a better MMI, i guess |
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| 03:12.11 | goodfoot | Mabye the next version of neo will be better for emacs. |
| 03:13.47 | MrFeetio | i just hope the next version is 3g |
| 03:14.09 | holycow | i'm willing to buy each version along the way :) i just want to be able to place a phone call all else is secondary |
| 03:15.29 | jadams | I'm with holycow |
| 03:15.40 | MrFeetio | i need 3g, and money |
| 03:15.45 | jadams | give me an open source computer that can dial a phone number and I'm happy. Happier once I'm using gprs for data |
| 03:15.46 | MrFeetio | well i need money |
| 03:15.54 | holycow | i'm in north america, we don't really have 3g available |
| 03:16.04 | MrFeetio | i have 3g |
| 03:16.12 | holycow | if i remember correctly neo is quadband tho, and i do travel so that is kinda important |
| 03:16.22 | jadams | yeah, neo's quadband |
| 03:16.22 | holycow | but just making a call on something i know is open, damn. that alone is worth it |
| 03:16.29 | MrFeetio | in PA the center "cow valley" |
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| 03:16.38 | holycow | jadams, thx for confirmation :) i |
| 03:16.48 | holycow | MrFeetio, lol pretty cool :) |
| 03:16.57 | holycow | how fast is 3g for web surfing? |
| 03:17.05 | MrFeetio | i dont know |
| 03:17.09 | MrFeetio | i dont use it |
| 03:17.14 | holycow | rofl! |
| 03:17.14 | holycow | :) |
| 03:17.39 | MrFeetio | but if i were to climb a tree(haha i have youth) i can see 3 cell-phone towers |
| 03:17.49 | MrFeetio | they were built in the last 3 years |
| 03:17.53 | holycow | nice |
| 03:17.57 | jadams | holycow: 3g's plenty fast for surfing in my experience...2.5g'll be fast enough for everything I want to do |
| 03:18.04 | jadams | not like patch sets are huge data to transfer :) |
| 03:18.05 | holycow | good to know you can get cancer virtually instantly |
| 03:18.06 | holycow | :) |
| 03:18.16 | holycow | jadams, *nod* |
| 03:24.36 | MrFeetio | i am going to buy an eee when it comes out |
| 03:25.02 | MrFeetio | and when GTA03/04 come out ill be buying one of those as well |
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| 03:25.14 | holycow | whats an eee? |
| 03:25.18 | jadams | MrFeetio: yeah, I'm thinking about getting an eee for my neice |
| 03:25.20 | wizdumb | so will the openmoko software platform be likely to run with minimal effort on the gumstix board that is coming out? |
| 03:25.21 | jadams | and one for myself of course |
| 03:25.24 | MrFeetio | asus eee |
| 03:25.37 | holycow | ah yeah, its an interesting machine, i rmeember now |
| 03:25.39 | jadams | s/neice/niece |
| 03:25.43 | MrFeetio | its a 7" screen UMPC |
| 03:25.54 | jadams | seems perfect for younguns |
| 03:26.16 | happycube | indeed |
| 03:26.25 | MrFeetio | i just need to get a better job |
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| 03:26.41 | MrFeetio | im not a big fan of landscaping |
| 03:27.37 | jadams | MrFeetio: I have to say, programming / development's a fun one |
| 03:27.51 | jadams | I work from my home most of the time...pretty much from wherever I am |
| 03:28.01 | MrFeetio | my dad did it for years |
| 03:28.08 | jadams | I've got an office, but I try to avoid going in |
| 03:28.10 | MrFeetio | it burned him out |
| 03:29.05 | MrFeetio | now he just runs a landscaping business, and maintains his old software |
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| 03:30.19 | MrFeetio | i plan on getting into culinary arts, or computers(cant easily combine the two) |
| 03:30.47 | holycow | 7 inch? |
| 03:30.52 | holycow | that doesn't look 7 inch to me |
| 03:31.02 | MrFeetio | thee "eee" come in 7 and 10 |
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| 03:31.28 | MrFeetio | $200 and 300(i think) |
| 03:31.46 | jadams | $250 I heard |
| 03:31.46 | jadams | anyway |
| 03:32.01 | holycow | interesting |
| 03:32.18 | holycow | if they are that price we will be getting them for work here |
| 03:32.21 | holycow | oh dothan |
| 03:32.29 | holycow | not quite yet, gonna wait for next gen cpus to come out |
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| 03:36.17 | holycow | http://www.geekstuff4u.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=&products_id=521 <-- that costs almost 2k |
| 03:36.32 | holycow | asus eee is supposed to only cost 300 |
| 03:36.54 | happycube | $250's the latest i heard |
| 03:36.57 | happycube | w/8gb flash |
| 03:37.10 | holycow | oh plus no touchscreen |
| 03:37.15 | holycow | *hmm* |
| 03:37.22 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Clocks]] [[Application_UI_Design_Recommendations]] [[Wishlist:Unlikely]] |
| 03:37.39 | holycow | i can't see any 7" inch models online |
| 03:38.05 | holycow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFLJJw6WRqM <-- is this the 7" model? |
| 03:39.27 | happycube | yup |
| 03:39.44 | holycow | well may as well then get the 10" one |
| 03:39.48 | holycow | the case is going to be the same |
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| 03:47.23 | happycube | 10" is a lot later - probably early 2k8 |
| 03:50.41 | holycow | aha |
| 03:50.42 | holycow | neato |
| 03:50.51 | holycow | thx for heads up on that, thats interesting |
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| 03:55.20 | bassinbo1 | Q: are we looking at new hardware for v2 in October? |
| 03:55.20 | aloril | bassinbo1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 03:59.09 | MrFeetio | yes |
| 03:59.09 | MrFeetio | wifi, faster cpu |
| 03:59.09 | MrFeetio | 3d gfx accelerated |
| 03:59.09 | bassinbo1 | in October huh ? |
| 03:59.09 | holycow | 3d gfx accelerated? |
| 03:59.09 | holycow | oh sweet jesus :) |
| 03:59.09 | bassinbo1 | what will be the price tag ? |
| 03:59.09 | MrFeetio | i read that somewhere |
| 03:59.09 | bassinbo1 | still 300 ? |
| 03:59.09 | Qwell | 450, iirc |
| 03:59.11 | summatusmentis | bassinbo1: $450 |
| 03:59.11 | MrFeetio | im corrent the the gfx accelerated |
| 03:59.11 | MrFeetio | smedia right? |
| 03:59.13 | MrFeetio | !smedia |
| 03:59.56 | bassinbo1 | I'd really like to buy a neo right now, but i guess i will wait for v2 |
| 04:02.06 | bassinbo1 | what proc are we looking at ? |
| 04:04.59 | jeddy3 | MrFeetio, yes correct |
| 04:05.13 | bassinbo1 | why do you have to have neo advanced to work on the bootloader ? |
| 04:05.20 | holycow | i don't think i've ever heard of the smedia chipset |
| 04:06.35 | MrFeetio | are the accelerometers are good enough that one could use them for race car controls? |
| 04:06.36 | MrFeetio | i know they aren't very precise |
| 04:06.44 | jrockway | probably about the same as the wii remote? |
| 04:06.46 | jeddy3 | bassinbo1, you don't _have_ to, but if you break bootloader, jtag board is your only way to "reflash" your neo to bootable state again |
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| 04:11.19 | Psi | do we get any auto reply when we send the Yes_I_do thing? |
| 04:12.25 | aloril | Psi: no, only for CANCEL |
| 04:12.28 | jeddy3 | Psi, haven't got yet |
| 04:12.38 | jeddy3 | ah ok |
| 04:12.42 | Psi | ok |
| 04:12.45 | Psi | thx |
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| 04:13.15 | Psi | i wonder how many % have canceled there order |
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| 04:18.50 | happycube | do we get confirmation that yes_i_do works right |
| 04:18.51 | happycube | ? |
| 04:19.15 | jeddy3 | happycube, history :) |
| 04:21.41 | jrockway | happycube: (no) |
| 04:21.50 | jrockway | the question is does "ORANGE" count as confirmation |
| 04:21.56 | jrockway | i sent both |
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| 04:41.58 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 04:43.30 | MrFeetio | so how long do ya think it will take for companies other then FIC to start making h/w for openmoko? |
| 04:44.17 | blindcoder | I guess we'll see HURD before that |
| 04:45.06 | cibomahto | hey, maybe HURD could be ported to them then |
| 04:45.11 | bassinbo1 | hurd? |
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| 04:45.47 | MrFeetio | isnt that the GNU kernel? |
| 04:45.48 | cibomahto | bassinbo1: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html |
| 04:45.52 | blindcoder | bassinbo1: an OS kernel and running gag wrt. being released ;) |
| 04:46.12 | blindcoder | bassinbo1: rumor has it it'll be released together with duke nukem forever ;) |
| 04:46.22 | MrFeetio | and spore |
| 04:46.31 | bassinbo1 | blindcoder: oh i knew that, duh. I need to go to sleep |
| 04:47.14 | MrFeetio | all of which will fully supported on linux/bsd/hurd/solaris |
| 04:47.35 | MrFeetio | i sure hope duke nukem forever has linux support |
| 04:52.18 | holycow | chances are we will see small time operators start \making hardware for the moko first |
| 04:52.19 | holycow | frankly |
| 04:52.22 | holycow | it sounds like fun |
| 04:52.28 | holycow | and easy enough for a homebrew industry |
| 04:52.32 | holycow | hell |
| 04:52.46 | holycow | gumstix might be perfect to kickstart it |
| 04:53.14 | Qwell | I want a flip phone running openmoko.. |
| 04:53.42 | holycow | ditto |
| 04:53.53 | Qwell | or like the style of the sidekick maybe |
| 04:54.08 | Qwell | well, no, nm, that doesn't really flip right.. screen on the inside is what I want |
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| 04:59.34 | aevin | you can flip the neo 360' around any way you like. it'll be a hit! |
| 05:01.12 | holycow | rofl! |
| 05:03.12 | blindcoder | yeah, put the accelerometers to some use ;) |
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| 05:18.01 | linux_galore | its official computers are gay heh http://www.picturebookmarking.com/galleries/uploaded/gaycomputer.jpg |
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| 05:22.08 | roh | Qwell heh... i want one too... eventually someone some time reverses the razr2 ;) |
| 05:25.37 | holycow | well actually thats a good point |
| 05:25.42 | holycow | you just buy a used on off of ebay |
| 05:25.47 | holycow | strip the guts and put moko parts in |
| 05:25.57 | MrFeetio | what phone? |
| 05:26.09 | holycow | razr |
| 05:26.20 | MrFeetio | i dont think the parts will fit |
| 05:27.01 | holycow | youd haveto right something up sure |
| 05:28.31 | MrFeetio | neverball will be amazing |
| 05:28.41 | roh | holycow as a case there is no chance you can fit something different in there |
| 05:29.04 | holycow | i've never tried so hard to say. i've never met a piece of hardware i couldn't modify tho |
| 05:29.06 | roh | holycow no.. i meant like the openezx-stuff.. use hardware just as hardware, replace the software on the app cpu. |
| 05:29.15 | holycow | no |
| 05:29.15 | holycow | wrong |
| 05:29.26 | holycow | replace the case |
| 05:29.30 | holycow | leave the hardware alone |
| 05:30.15 | roh | holycow i work for openmoko. be assured that you will get a new neo if you archive to fit one into a razr case and keeeping it functional |
| 05:30.22 | holycow | :) he was just looking for a different case format |
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| 05:30.47 | holycow | lol :) well that answers what |
| 05:30.53 | MrFeetio | i want a dual screen neo |
| 05:30.55 | holycow | what are you guys soldering the board ON the case? |
| 05:31.03 | holycow | why would it make any difference? |
| 05:31.04 | MrFeetio | clamshell |
| 05:32.01 | holycow | roh, clearly moko guts won't fit a razor i'm certain, lots of hackery would be required and it would be quite ugly |
| 05:32.06 | MrFeetio | dualscreen neo (clamshell), 3g, and 2 sd card slots |
| 05:32.08 | roh | the board is snapped into the case and the the 2nd half is clipped and screwed agains the 1rst half.. or whats the question` |
| 05:32.21 | holycow | roh, i'm not sure its a question |
| 05:32.39 | holycow | someone was thinking a clamshell would be an interesting idea |
| 05:32.49 | linux_galore | you know what would be even more open, same phone but you can choose your case type ie clamshell etc |
| 05:33.05 | MrFeetio | i like my idea |
| 05:33.12 | holycow | barring making something new, one should be able to find a clamshell design of an older phone, rip the guts out of a moko and place it into said case with A LOT of work |
| 05:33.36 | linux_galore | just get an old moto clamshell , they were pretty big |
| 05:33.38 | holycow | have a mobo snap into a case first, and then having anything screwed in anywhere i don't see as an issue |
| 05:34.13 | linux_galore | or go to a toy shop and buy a kids fake clamshell mobile phone |
| 05:34.26 | MrFeetio | no that is a good idea |
| 05:34.32 | holycow | that could work too |
| 05:34.34 | holycow | its all plastic |
| 05:34.36 | MrFeetio | s/no/now |
| 05:34.53 | holycow | attaching stuff to plastic is easy, you can mount whatever spacers you need for any ty pe of screw/mount points |
| 05:35.18 | MrFeetio | omg, im going to put my neo in a ds |
| 05:35.27 | MrFeetio | a heavily moded ds |
| 05:35.28 | holycow | infact if you are clever you could even use types of foam and 'squeeze' things into place without using screws |
| 05:35.30 | bassinbo1 | anyone know what mhz the v2 is going to be running at? |
| 05:35.34 | holycow | and get shock absorption for free |
| 05:35.39 | roh | linux_galore ive discussed that case-problem a lot now (i wanted buttons) and the answer is simple: its the count that matters. when we are selling 20k pieces a month a second cool case would be much more reasonable. but tooling is very expensive to we need to build a one-size-fits all first to develop the hard and software |
| 05:35.42 | linux_galore | just hot glue some plastic stand-offs into the case |
| 05:36.09 | holycow | yeah i'm sure they will do it when the business case shows it to be viable |
| 05:36.18 | MrFeetio | what is the ds screen size? |
| 05:36.41 | linux_galore | or even better just make a wood case |
| 05:36.51 | holycow | could do that too yes |
| 05:37.02 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Historybuff]] |
| 05:37.02 | linux_galore | carve out a single piece |
| 05:37.08 | MrFeetio | i want to put my phone in a ds/ds lite(would be harder) |
| 05:37.11 | ckuethe | bassinbo1: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 |
| 05:37.12 | holycow | could also do a 'printed plastic' dealie with one of those emulsion plastics printers |
| 05:37.31 | holycow | lol speaking of which *hmm* |
| 05:37.33 | linux_galore | yeah true, use a fab printer |
| 05:37.41 | roh | send pix :) |
| 05:37.44 | holycow | actually that could work very well indeed |
| 05:39.14 | linux_galore | Im flipping between steam punking one or just making a wood case |
| 05:39.30 | ckuethe | linux_galore: hardened maple? |
| 05:39.51 | ckuethe | or red oak? |
| 05:40.09 | ckuethe | ie. the same woods you'd use for a long-lasting hardwood floor? |
| 05:40.21 | holycow | linux_galore, lol! steampunk |
| 05:40.24 | holycow | oh thats a good one too |
| 05:40.34 | holycow | ckuethe, wow interesting idea |
| 05:40.53 | holycow | roh, how does it feel to work on a project/company where people are already looking at ways to do value/adds with your product? |
| 05:41.33 | MrFeetio | i think a neo would fit nicely into a ds, is there anyway to attach a second screen to the neo's mobo? |
| 05:41.33 | linux_galore | holycow: Huon Pine, I have a big block of it, the tree was over 1,000 year old that I got it from (died) |
| 05:41.33 | ckuethe | pine is fairly soft though |
| 05:41.38 | linux_galore | no Huon is a hardwood |
| 05:41.51 | ckuethe | nifty |
| 05:41.56 | linux_galore | looks like pine though and has a great smell |
| 05:42.19 | linux_galore | only found in Tasmania |
| 05:42.20 | ckuethe | having a cedar- or juniper-scented phone might be nice |
| 05:42.52 | holycow | linux_galore, *oo* |
| 05:44.23 | linux_galore | the oldest living organism from memory is a Huon Pine |
| 05:44.44 | holycow | and you killed it |
| 05:44.45 | hads | ? |
| 05:44.47 | holycow | congratulations |
| 05:44.49 | holycow | *cough* |
| 05:44.57 | linux_galore | no.. I got a dead branch |
| 05:45.21 | holycow | buggin ya |
| 05:45.59 | linux_galore | the trees grow in groves and they are all related to the one tree, bit like a vine |
| 05:47.04 | linux_galore | the smell from the wood is very nice |
| 05:47.12 | hads | the oldest living organism? |
| 05:47.39 | linux_galore | hads: yeah they found a tree in Tasmania that over 10,000 years old |
| 05:47.58 | linux_galore | thats older than the amazon rain forrest |
| 05:49.22 | linux_galore | people always talk about the amazon being biodiverse but here in Australia we have forrests over 150,000 years old and have different ecosystems every 10 meters |
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| 05:49.57 | roh | holycow how it feels? good. in contrast to other companys we ARE interrested when people want to customize their phones and make that possible in the first time by concept. |
| 05:50.27 | holycow | roh, i really get the sense that you guys do care |
| 05:50.28 | holycow | *nod* |
| 05:50.49 | holycow | its really cool as a user and enthusiast |
| 05:51.11 | roh | to be exact: great ;) ive not joined for money, but for working in a company that adheres the rules of opensource and wants to listen to the comunity. we are in full knowledge that when we work against the community we would fail, so we don't |
| 05:52.20 | linux_galore | good example of a seriously Biodiverse Australian forrest is the daintree rain forest |
| 05:53.17 | linux_galore | trust me, everything in the daintree is so evolved that you have to be very careful when walking through it because there are plants we hardly know anything about that will poison you |
| 05:53.18 | holycow | roh, as a note, if you guys haveto turn proprietary i won't hold it agains the company |
| 05:53.30 | holycow | i just think its cool that someone is trying to make a go at this |
| 05:53.44 | holycow | and while i believe y ou guys will be crzy successfull |
| 05:53.53 | hads | linux_galore: Not really anything to do with openmoko though... |
| 05:54.04 | holycow | i'm realistic enough to know bills haveto be paid as well |
| 05:54.05 | linux_galore | hads: not really |
| 05:54.15 | roh | holycow i don't think that will ever happen. it would rob credability and trust, and would not help any business though. |
| 05:54.22 | holycow | but its the right products for a market that already exists imho |
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| 05:54.44 | holycow | roh, it would put you guys in direct competition with the motorolas of the world *nod* |
| 05:55.17 | linux_galore | Nokia, Palm Moto all use Linux just to name a few |
| 05:55.39 | roh | ack. and what do you wanna gain in a market where only nokia earns real money and everybody else is in for marketshare? |
| 05:55.49 | holycow | and all are missing how to connect with the community |
| 05:55.57 | holycow | mostly because they are too big to really see that it exists |
| 05:56.08 | roh | linux_galore heh.. and noone of them produced a single real opensource phone yet |
| 05:56.09 | linux_galore | holycow: N800 has a good little community |
| 05:56.10 | holycow | roh, totally |
| 05:56.42 | linux_galore | yeah but none have a community when it comes to the phone |
| 05:56.45 | holycow | it does? |
| 05:56.51 | holycow | oh n800 |
| 05:56.53 | holycow | oh yeah right |
| 05:57.03 | holycow | well i love that project but i don't get the device |
| 05:57.31 | holycow | i presume at home with a media center of some sort it would make a great controllerr/browser |
| 05:57.35 | linux_galore | holycow: N800 is like an extreme remote control , think of it like that then you get it |
| 05:57.45 | holycow | aha, okay *nod* interesting |
| 05:57.53 | holycow | see the thing is, moko will be able to do the same |
| 05:58.27 | wiml | for a while I thought Palm was going in the right direction ... palmos was pretty open (not opensource, but hackable) |
| 05:58.57 | linux_galore | holycow: N800 is showing that you dont need to haul a big assed PC around to do everything, in fact the PC can be in another country with the N800 as your interface |
| 05:59.04 | roh | holycow heh.. i want to do that with my moko if i find time... use avahi/mdns for service discovery and some pygtk app as gui to controll my xbox and what i need to yet build for hdtv |
| 05:59.48 | holycow | roh, hey mate had the same idea totally :) |
| 05:59.59 | linux_galore | opemmoko is like the N800 but with a phone built in an smaller |
| 05:59.59 | holycow | roh, thats infact one of the things that i want a moko for |
| 06:00.16 | holycow | roh another one is i'm going to rework my car, including the starte components |
| 06:00.27 | holycow | they will be hooked into the onboard system for security |
| 06:00.39 | holycow | i want to call my car to turn it on, open the trunk, unlock it |
| 06:00.40 | holycow | etc |
| 06:00.46 | linux_galore | be fun to see stuff being ported from the N800 to the openmoko |
| 06:00.51 | linux_galore | and vice versa |
| 06:01.19 | holycow | well thats the thing exactly, when that n700 device came out people said two thinks |
| 06:01.25 | holycow | can i make phone calls and where is the kb |
| 06:01.26 | holycow | but |
| 06:01.32 | holycow | you are right they are not positioning it right |
| 06:01.42 | roh | holycow the moko has i2c, spi, a irq input for such stuff on a connector ;) |
| 06:01.42 | holycow | what you said earlier is brilliant, 'think home remote' |
| 06:01.46 | holycow | that awesome |
| 06:01.52 | holycow | roh, no kidden? |
| 06:01.54 | holycow | *oo* |
| 06:02.08 | holycow | roh, sec i wanna show you the kind of case i want to build for the moko |
| 06:02.14 | linux_galore | yeah, openmoko "The remote for your whole life" |
| 06:02.27 | holycow | thats what celphones are turning into actually |
| 06:02.32 | holycow | i will open up my garage too via moko |
| 06:02.35 | holycow | via ssh |
| 06:02.40 | holycow | none of that current bullshit they use |
| 06:02.51 | linux_galore | anyway Im out stuff to do |
| 06:02.56 | roh | holycow http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware#Debug_Connector |
| 06:03.33 | holycow | roh: http://www.mobiletechreview.com/phones/HTC-Mogul.htm |
| 06:03.39 | holycow | i want to build something like that for it |
| 06:03.40 | wiml | and when my alarm goes off I will use openmoko to ssh into it to run "alarmclock --snooze 5" |
| 06:04.01 | holycow | roh, i won't even haveto remove too much of the moko case, just enough to figure out how to wire up the kb |
| 06:04.07 | holycow | wiml, haha! |
| 06:04.15 | holycow | i use my cel right now as an alarm clock |
| 06:04.22 | holycow | i don't have any other alarm clock |
| 06:04.56 | roh | holycow good luck. case design is tough work and highly critical to do it right |
| 06:05.38 | wiml | hm, that makes me wonder if there are interesting usage overlaps between openmoko and chumby ( http://www.chumby.com/ ) |
| 06:05.38 | holycow | roh, its just for me, i don't expect success :) will just give it a go |
| 06:05.48 | holycow | i suspect i will endup with something with a lot of duct tape on it :) |
| 06:05.48 | holycow | haha |
| 06:06.22 | holycow | roh, question for ya, any tips on how a kb could be wired into the moko? i really don't want to use bluetooth even though it would be convenient ... for security reasons? |
| 06:07.02 | roh | hm.. use i2c or spi and the irq line to wake up the driver so you do not need to poll (saves power) |
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| 06:07.41 | roh | you just need some kind of mux/buffer/businterface.. eventually philips has a nice i2c-kbd part |
| 06:07.53 | holycow | aha |
| 06:07.58 | holycow | coolness thx |
| 06:08.27 | roh | send me a mail when you got some prototype ;) |
| 06:08.49 | holycow | will do :) |
| 06:08.49 | wiml | or maybe use a cheap microcontroller with an i2c or spi slave onchip |
| 06:09.41 | roh | wiml will be a question of how much power the chips need.. ive got no recent market overview at hand |
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| 06:12.14 | shrapnel | picaxe chips are dirt cheap, easily programmable (BASIC), and can do i2c |
| 06:13.28 | SunZhiyong | ls |
| 06:13.58 | wiml | yeah, you could use a pic, or an atmel chip, or one of the phillips 8051 variants ... roh is probably right you'd want to choose based on power consumption |
| 06:14.28 | holycow | danke kindly! |
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| 06:28.42 | CM | Morning everyone |
| 06:30.53 | Richard | Has openmoko opened AT manual? |
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| 06:33.26 | cibomahto | richard: you mean for the GSM radio? the only documentation for that is the GSM spec itself |
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| 06:34.01 | cibomahto | richard: the hardware is apparently under strict NDA, but it is supposed to be 100% compatible. I dont have hardware so i dont know... |
| 06:34.26 | Richard | I meant AT commands |
| 06:35.05 | Richard | I know Ti extends some AT commands |
| 06:35.56 | cibomahto | richard: there was some discussion about this on a mailing list: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gsmd-devel/2007-July/thread.html |
| 06:36.49 | cibomahto | richard: Harold Welte has stressed that the published spec is all that is needed |
| 06:37.04 | cibomahto | *Harald |
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| 06:44.59 | ynezz | let's make some command bruteforcer :p |
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| 07:00.12 | Richard | cibomahto: Thank you! |
| 07:00.59 | cibomahto | richard: no problem! |
| 07:01.33 | linux_galore | Im reading up on something, when did bluetooth start working up to 100 meters |
| 07:01.58 | linux_galore | they talk about a class 1 device etc |
| 07:02.07 | CM | linux_galore: I think that's pretty old |
| 07:02.13 | hads | Yeah |
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| 07:02.39 | linux_galore | no this is with a new headset Im looking at, normally headset only work a few meters |
| 07:03.08 | CM | Ah, nice. Would suit my class 1 bt plug at the pc :D |
| 07:03.34 | holycow | is bluetooth encrypted? |
| 07:03.39 | linux_galore | so basically you get the device classified as a class 1 then you can use it over 100 meters |
| 07:03.49 | hads | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth |
| 07:03.56 | holycow | ah of course, sorry |
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| 07:04.19 | hads | That wasn't just for you holycow, linux_galore too. |
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| 07:06.14 | linux_galore | hmm I didnt know you could classify a headset as a class 1 device, I thought that was only hubs/routers etc |
| 07:07.17 | roh | hm.. i wonder what people bother with at command docs.. |
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| 07:07.48 | roh | nothing interresting there anyways.. all interresting stuff has gpled drivers |
| 07:09.24 | cibomahto | roh: someone has to write those drivers though, right? |
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| 07:10.49 | CM | roh: I hope you didn't have any trouble with the customs getting the phones from China? |
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| 07:11.16 | Ophelia | Good Morning :-) |
| 07:11.36 | CM | Hello :) |
| 07:11.53 | Ophelia | what actually am I suposed to do once I have compiled the Moko-image with the makefile? |
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| 07:12.32 | Ophelia | how much space does that take up btw? |
| 07:12.32 | Ophelia | I hope 3 GB are sufficient |
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| 07:13.05 | TRIsoft | morning |
| 07:13.19 | Ophelia | isn't there a way to run it natively on Linux? |
| 07:13.27 | CM | Well, if you set that INHERIT += "rm_work" |
| 07:13.39 | CM | Otherwise it's about 7.5 gb |
| 07:14.01 | Ophelia | wow |
| 07:14.01 | Ophelia | that's much |
| 07:14.03 | CM | Ophelia: And yes, you can compile native and run in Xoo, or just as regular gtk-apps |
| 07:14.12 | CM | faq? |
| 07:14.12 | aloril | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) |
| 07:14.14 | Ophelia | cool |
| 07:14.53 | CM | There's a lot of good information in the wiki |
| 07:14.57 | Ophelia | what does 'INHERIT="rm_work"' do? |
| 07:15.20 | CM | Ophelia: It removes all temporary build files after the package is built |
| 07:15.41 | CM | Without it, all unpacked sources and intermediate files are left on the disk |
| 07:15.44 | Ophelia | aha |
| 07:16.15 | CM | It's all well described at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 07:16.17 | CM | :) |
| 07:16.25 | Ophelia | so, I need 7.5 GB of free space in the first place? |
| 07:16.46 | Ophelia | It's just I only have 3 GB left ;-) |
| 07:16.54 | Ophelia | on the disk |
| 07:17.42 | Ophelia | will that be sufficient? |
| 07:17.49 | CM | I'll check how much space mine takes now |
| 07:18.00 | Ophelia | ok |
| 07:18.26 | CM | running du -hs *, but it's taking a while.. |
| 07:18.35 | Ophelia | thanks |
| 07:18.46 | Ophelia | no problem ;-) |
| 07:18.50 | linux_galore | looks like seinnheiser make a not so kosher class 1 headset now, wonder how they work around the rules |
| 07:18.52 | Ophelia | tyt |
| 07:19.03 | Ophelia | hehe |
| 07:19.08 | linux_galore | sorry bluetooth headset* |
| 07:19.19 | CM | linux_galore: What rules? |
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| 07:19.39 | linux_galore | CM: I always though class 1 devices were routers etc |
| 07:19.42 | linux_galore | thought* |
| 07:19.49 | CM | Aha, ok |
| 07:19.54 | keesj | CM: I like du -msx *| sort -n | tail -n 20 |
| 07:20.20 | CM | keesj: Thanks, I'll try that :) |
| 07:20.20 | cibomahto | i cheat and use kdirstat |
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| 07:20.33 | rwhitby | use rm_work to reduce the space taken |
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| 07:20.47 | CM | Ophelia: Mine still takes 3.3gb |
| 07:21.01 | Ophelia | CM: aha |
| 07:21.04 | linux_galore | CM: having a class 1 device glued to your ear all day doesnt seem like a clever idea |
| 07:21.05 | CM | A lot of it is sources |
| 07:21.11 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:21.18 | CM | linux_galore: I agree, quite some radiation |
| 07:21.19 | Ophelia | that's much |
| 07:21.26 | Ophelia | why is it so much |
| 07:21.34 | Ophelia | won't all be on the phone later, wil it? |
| 07:23.08 | gcb77 | 1.4 GB in build |
| 07:23.19 | gcb77 | 550MB in source |
| 07:23.29 | gcb77 | (source = bzip packages) |
| 07:24.35 | CM | Ophelia: I think my jffs2 images is around 32mb |
| 07:24.37 | Ophelia | what does that denote? |
| 07:25.08 | cibomahto | ophelia: im over 10GB, but i have it built for both x86 and arm |
| 07:25.44 | CM | I have 2gb in build, 770mb sources and 550 mb in other folders and files |
| 07:26.09 | CM | Ophelia: That image is what will be on the phone |
| 07:26.09 | ewanm89_laptop | du is counting mine now. |
| 07:26.50 | Ophelia | aha |
| 07:27.05 | ewanm89_laptop | It's using some very heavy caching. |
| 07:27.10 | Ophelia | ok |
| 07:29.00 | Ophelia | just a tiny question: once I've built all that, what should I do to start that System natively (not in an emulator)? |
| 07:29.16 | Ophelia | since the wiki seems to only give information about emulators |
| 07:30.30 | CM | Ophelia: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Xoo |
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| 07:31.43 | ewanm89_laptop | Um, overall du is only reporting 282M in the openmoko tree, and that's without rm_work |
| 07:32.12 | ewanm89_laptop | I think I know why. |
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| 07:32.25 | Ophelia | hihi |
| 07:33.04 | ewanm89_laptop | Helps if I get the options right. |
| 07:33.06 | Ophelia | that's what it says on the Xoo-Page |
| 07:33.06 | Ophelia | After a while (half a day) the build should complete. |
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| 07:36.34 | CM | ewanm89_laptop: I only have that too, the big ones are moko/build and moko/sources |
| 07:36.42 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Mokopedia]] [[Talk:Mokopedia]] [[Application_UI_Design_Recommendations]] [[Talk:Test_Openmoko_Emulation_with_chroot_image]] |
| 07:37.22 | ewanm89_laptop | CM: I was passing the wrong option to get it to count the lot. |
| 07:37.33 | CM | Ah, ok :) |
| 07:40.43 | Ophelia | hmm, I think I'll wait until my quadCore Computer has been finished ;-) |
| 07:40.43 | Ophelia | with 4GB of RAM |
| 07:40.44 | Ophelia | life will be easier then, I suppose |
| 07:40.54 | ewanm89_laptop | CM 12GB in all. |
| 07:41.21 | ewanm89_laptop | Ophelia: Easier to do what? |
| 07:42.23 | Ophelia | easier to compile that stuff here :-) |
| 07:42.23 | Ophelia | faster, I mean |
| 07:42.40 | cibomahto | night all |
| 07:44.13 | ewanm89_laptop | Ophelia: Have you told it to parrallel build? |
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| 07:45.06 | Ophelia | no, not yet |
| 07:45.34 | Ophelia | but up to now I still need a processor for my new PC |
| 07:45.50 | Ophelia | and some RAM |
| 07:45.50 | Ophelia | and a graphics card |
| 07:46.13 | CM | Ophelia: A complete build took about 7.5h on my amd3000+ with 1gb ram |
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| 07:47.52 | Ophelia | at the moment, I have an Intel P4 1GHz with 125 MB RAM |
| 07:47.52 | Ophelia | so much for that... ;-) |
| 07:48.02 | ewanm89_laptop | A complete build here took abot 5 hours, on a core2duo T5500 with a 1GB of ram, and the processor was clocked down for powersaving at the time. |
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| 07:48.44 | ewanm89_laptop | My sempron2600 takes about 16hours. |
| 07:48.47 | CM | ewanm89_laptop: I want a core2 too ;) |
| 07:49.13 | ewanm89_laptop | CM: That's my laptop. |
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| 07:51.14 | roh | ewanm89_laptop i'm on a T7600 2gb ram here.. building on slower machines would propably drive me mad in a short time |
| 07:51.56 | ewanm89_laptop | roh: It's not bad, as I said I had the processor clocked down. |
| 07:52.00 | Ophelia | does anyone have an idea as to how I can empty the trash as root-user in Ubuntu? |
| 07:52.33 | roh | ewanm89_laptop i just let the kernel ondemand speestep away.. works great |
| 07:53.08 | CM | roh: Any chance the orders might start shipping today? |
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| 07:55.53 | tuukkah | Ophelia, the contents are in each user's homedir in the .Trash directory, you can delete the contents |
| 07:56.10 | ewanm89_laptop | Ophelia: I'm afraid that requires remembering where gnome stores it, alas I don't. |
| 07:56.12 | ewanm89_1aptop | rm -r ~/.Trash/* should do it. |
| 08:00.46 | Ophelia | hmm |
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| 08:07.44 | *** topic/#openmoko is wiki.openmoko.org <> Buy now for $300 from www.openmoko.com - Direct Link to Buy: https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping date projected at 2007-07-16 or later; If you ordered early, reply YES_I_DO (or CANCEL) to mail asking confirmation |
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| 08:11.14 | andylockran | wahey - just got the mokomakefile to build now I'm back on the desktop |
| 08:12.21 | ewanm89_laptop | CM: Hopefully I can order a neo in a couple of weeks time. |
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| 08:15.29 | andylockran | CM: I've been off IRC all weekend - has there been any further news on the shipping date? |
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| 08:17.38 | CM | andylockran: Nope |
| 08:17.47 | ewanm89_laptop | andylockran: Last news was they were hoping to ship today. |
| 08:17.56 | CM | andylockran: Asked roh a few minutes ago and ha didn't know anything |
| 08:18.22 | jeddy3 | ship to US, or ship with UPS from US? |
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| 08:19.06 | ewanm89_laptop | jeddy3: UPS from US. |
| 08:19.07 | CM | I think the question was if they would have any trouble with the chinese customs getting the phones to taiwan |
| 08:19.15 | jeddy3 | ewanm89_laptop, ok nice |
| 08:20.23 | ewanm89_laptop | But I can't even order one :( |
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| 08:21.09 | ewanm89_laptop | jeddy3: I'm sure I read something to that effect. |
| 08:21.11 | CM | It's be surprised if there was no trouble with shipping |
| 08:21.21 | CM | So far, there's always been delays |
| 08:21.38 | jeddy3 | CM, indeed :) |
| 08:22.25 | CM | I'm hoping that either they ship now so I get it on friday, or they can just as well ship it after my vacation when I'm back in town again. :D |
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| 08:24.27 | mafeu | I realy don't mind slight delays, as long as I get information about it. What annoys me is that obviously something is not going smooth with the shipping but officials are just quiet about it. |
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| 08:25.22 | ewanm89_laptop | Sean seems very good on this, when he isn't to busy trying to fix the problems. |
| 08:25.23 | holycow | i understand that us in north america think that the customer is always right but ya know the customer/vendor thing is a two way street |
| 08:26.06 | holycow | i'm betting on giving everyone time to do their job right :) |
| 08:27.09 | CM | mafeu: I agree with you though. Delays are ok, as long as you get informed on what's going on and why |
| 08:32.13 | mafeu | CM: I assume (and hope) that the openmoko.com/org guys are not too much involved in this shipping and ordering thing. I's rather see them working on the software. I guess orders/sales is done by FIC. But since the openmoko guys in TW are certainly in contatct with FIC a quick 'Guys, we have problems, wait another week.' mail would do the job for me. |
| 08:34.55 | jgm | I'm pretty sure that someone mentioned in an email that they had cleared customs, but given that it's 1:30am on the west coast a bit of patience may be required to see if they hit their date or not |
| 08:36.59 | buz | did fic outsource delivery? |
| 08:37.33 | buz | IIRC, you can have amazon deliver your goods. think about amazon what you want, but they ARE competent in that |
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| 08:38.26 | holycow | i think people are WAAAAAY overexpecting stuff |
| 08:38.48 | holycow | if you read about the developments these guys went from a pet internal project to being spun off as their own company |
| 08:39.06 | holycow | between development, r&d, sales and all sorts of other things a business has to take care of |
| 08:39.13 | holycow | they are probably strutched beyond belief |
| 08:39.50 | holycow | i would say relax. support the first company making a stake on the open source angle |
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| 08:41.52 | hads | Good call. |
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| 08:44.32 | quinton | this is an awesome project. things like this, that are designed as open from the ground up give me hope that the future won't be a locked down cyberpunk dystopia |
| 08:44.52 | holycow | absolutely |
| 08:45.34 | quinton | if i turn out to be too stupid or something to make the phone do anything i will still feel happy to have such an open paperweight =) |
| 08:45.45 | sandos | ;) |
| 08:45.49 | hads | heh |
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| 08:48.35 | ewanm89_laptop | Well, I've already got some patches to get sudo and shadow password support onto the phone, however I can't order one myself. |
| 08:48.41 | ewanm89_laptop | :( |
| 08:49.09 | ewanm89_laptop | Should be able to in a few weeks though. |
| 08:49.25 | jrockway | i have to laugh at all the people trying to hack the iphone |
| 08:49.37 | jrockway | what a waste of effort |
| 08:49.43 | jrockway | (closed platforms)-- |
| 08:50.37 | holycow | jrockway, absolutely |
| 08:50.43 | holycow | i get the 'just because its there part' |
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| 08:50.47 | mafeu | quinton: considering how easy it is to run openmoko in qemu, i guess it won't be hard to flash the phone. And the dialer seems to work ... So you can make phonecalls. |
| 08:50.52 | holycow | but man, apple is the worst freedom offender out there |
| 08:51.00 | holycow | why ever try to help them ... i don't get that |
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| 08:51.37 | jrockway | apple products tend to have a userbase that wants to spend money on shitty shareware |
| 08:51.42 | jrockway | so that's the incentive in hacking it |
| 08:51.50 | slytherin | Is anyone able to do any bluetooth related things on Neo1973? ex. pairing |
| 08:51.56 | jrockway | plus you can have an ultra-stylish status symbol AND have your program running on it ;) |
| 08:52.53 | holycow | well thats what they think they have |
| 08:52.56 | holycow | frankly |
| 08:52.59 | jrockway | yeah |
| 08:53.13 | jrockway | i think they have a $3000 dialup-speed web browser |
| 08:53.23 | holycow | apple indicates a whole lot of things i wouldn't want to have associated with me :) |
| 08:53.33 | holycow | jrockway, heh! |
| 08:53.40 | jrockway | (yay for mandatory 2 year contract. ouch.) |
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| 08:53.50 | jrockway | i used to have a mac, but i couldn't *do* anything with it |
| 08:53.57 | jrockway | emacs didn't work right, i coudln't install any useful software |
| 08:54.07 | jrockway | so i switched back to linux, and now my computer actually works :) |
| 08:54.13 | jrockway | i hope my phone will be the same way |
| 08:54.18 | holycow | i started on linux many years ago, it really took a long time to understand what freedom means |
| 08:54.20 | holycow | and why its important |
| 08:54.21 | jrockway | (although i don't have a phone right now, because they are all so useless) |
| 08:54.31 | ljp | you want emacs on your phone? |
| 08:54.38 | holycow | and my perspective on ms and apple has changed a whole lot |
| 08:54.52 | holycow | its like i was alice in wonderland and now i'm back to reality |
| 08:54.53 | jrockway | ljp: heh. i do now :) |
| 08:55.04 | holycow | ljp, i do! |
| 08:55.24 | jrockway | i wish the neo1976 had 3G though |
| 08:55.24 | holycow | jrockway, ditto on phones. i have one because i haveto have one but its just such a useless piece of garbage |
| 08:55.47 | jrockway | does the dev version have any GPRS/EDGE support at all? |
| 08:56.06 | quinton | mafeu, i've played a bit with it in qemu in an ugly slap-dash way, i'm still setting up my proper build machine. i want to get my hands dirty, i want to make a contribution if i can |
| 08:56.12 | slytherin | Is anyone able to do any bluetooth related things on Neo1973? ex. pairing |
| 08:56.35 | mafeu | jrockway: GPRS yes, EDGE no |
| 08:57.08 | quinton | mafeu, a part of me wants everything to just work, but a part of me wants me to have to suffer, because that's always how i learn stuff |
| 08:57.33 | jrockway | heh, i also want everything to work... but considering i have nothing right now anything will be an improvement |
| 08:58.21 | holycow | well at minimum i just want something i can dial out with in quad band. that pretty much nails it for me |
| 08:58.23 | holycow | the rest is gravy |
| 08:58.27 | mafeu | quinton: only tried the pre-builds so far, got the sources, but had no time yet to compile (its > 5h even on a fast machine, isn't it?) |
| 08:58.51 | holycow | quinton, lol @ suffer comment |
| 08:59.02 | ewanm89_laptop | mafeu: It depends on what you class as fast. |
| 08:59.29 | quinton | i have wondered if sometimes distro's put deliberate problems in, just so you have to figue it out. to me it always seems more satisfying when it has been an ordeal |
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| 08:59.51 | jrockway | heh, probably not |
| 08:59.57 | jrockway | debian never has problems :) |
| 09:00.45 | ewanm89_laptop | Well openmoko is closer to being gentoo based. |
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| 09:02.09 | holycow | i'd love to be able to wipe it and install debian on it with moko parts packaged up :) |
| 09:02.14 | holycow | but alas its a phone so whatever |
| 09:02.44 | Stephmw | howdy |
| 09:02.55 | mafeu | ewanm89_laptop: I have a E6600 Core 2 Duo. |
| 09:03.06 | quinton | the only problem i've ever had with the portage system is when it asked me to go back and compile a dependancy with an extra option |
| 09:04.13 | kristian-m | summatusmentis right |
| 09:04.37 | ewanm89_laptop | mafeu: You should be a bit faster theb. |
| 09:04.47 | ewanm89_laptop | s/eb/en/ |
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| 09:05.14 | mafeu | ewanm89_laptop: Well then, I'll give it a shot tonight (CEST)! |
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| 09:05.28 | ewanm89_laptop | quinton: I said based, and I'm using gentoo here, but not portage. |
| 09:05.36 | slytherin | /kpin #bluez |
| 09:06.16 | ewanm89_laptop | slytherin: Was that supposed to be /join ? |
| 09:06.36 | quinton | ewanm89_laptop, i haven't tried many distro's, what are you using instead? |
| 09:06.46 | slytherin | ewanm89_laptop: Yes. :-) |
| 09:06.55 | ewanm89_laptop | quinton: paludis. |
| 09:10.26 | quinton | ewanm89_laptop, i'm looking at the wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paludis . do you know why it has a feature to reinstall scm after an interval? |
| 09:12.43 | quinton | ewanm89_laptop, i mean, do you know what that would be for? |
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| 09:14.53 | cel_ | hi! |
| 09:15.39 | *** part/#openmoko slytherin (n=root@203.199.147.101) |
| 09:15.47 | ewanm89_laptop | quinton: Never used it, but they must of had a reason for putting it iun there. |
| 09:15.52 | quinton | oh wait, i get it, i'm a dope. i thought it was talking about the actual software for itself! |
| 09:15.56 | ewanm89_laptop | s/iu/i/ |
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| 09:16.48 | ewanm89_laptop | quinton: scm == source code management == svn, cvs, monotone, git... |
| 09:17.28 | quinton | yes, i thought it meant reinstalling those packages. i guess my mind was on that because i just installed those ones myself |
| 09:17.57 | quinton | ewanm89_laptop, it looks interesting anyway, thanks for the info, i'll give it a try |
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| 09:19.47 | notserpe_ | is anyone here working on handling orders? |
| 09:20.04 | CM | ewanm89_laptop: Any downsides so far using paludis? |
| 09:20.20 | SpeedEvil | I am notserpe. |
| 09:20.26 | SpeedEvil | Not of the neo though. |
| 09:20.30 | notserpe_ | heh. |
| 09:20.55 | CM | notserpe_: No one here is, and we don't know anything about how it's going with the orders |
| 09:21.35 | jrockway | rumour has it that they start shipping today |
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| 09:21.41 | notserpe_ | I've had both my orders cancelled because I asked if they could be combined shipped and told to reorder, but now I'm all upset that I won't get at least 1 unit in a few days. :( |
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| 09:23.04 | LuitvD | notserpe_: is monday that boring then? |
| 09:23.15 | LuitvD | this monday is quite good... |
| 09:23.23 | zipola | A million things to do and no will to do them. |
| 09:23.45 | zipola | ...and I'm on vacation! |
| 09:23.51 | LuitvD | have you read the mail from microsoft? |
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| 09:24.06 | notserpe_ | hmm? |
| 09:24.13 | LuitvD | there's a mail from microsoft in the community list |
| 09:24.29 | SpeedEvil | 'All your ideas belong to us!' |
| 09:24.39 | notserpe_ | sweet. |
| 09:24.56 | jrockway | link? |
| 09:25.01 | LuitvD | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/007081.html |
| 09:25.15 | LuitvD | seems like the openmoko community won 2,5 million |
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| 09:25.19 | jrockway | haha |
| 09:25.42 | quinton | hehehe |
| 09:25.56 | LuitvD | paid by microsoft |
| 09:25.57 | Fatal | "This is the future home of microsoftclaim.com Hosted by Texo: ethical webhosting" |
| 09:25.58 | jrockway | just my luck... the monotone package is broken on debian unstable right now :) |
| 09:26.00 | Fatal | *snickers* |
| 09:26.11 | jrockway | so how many scms does openmoko use? |
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| 09:26.17 | holycow | *giggle* |
| 09:26.20 | notserpe_ | that still doesn't make up for me probably not getting an SH1 when I was < #1900 :( |
| 09:26.34 | holycow | although at the beginning i thought they REALLY were pitching those stupid suse vouchers |
| 09:26.34 | holycow | hehe |
| 09:26.53 | LuitvD | holycow: lol |
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| 09:31.49 | cesarb | counter |
| 09:31.49 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-14 16:40) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 65% in a day 02:28:10 (1.103±1.0 days) (1747;248) |
| 09:32.46 | jeddy3 | notserpe_, why whould you not get one? |
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| 09:36.04 | cosminb | how long does it take to make openmoko devel image ? |
| 09:36.13 | SpeedEvil | 2-20 hours |
| 09:36.16 | cosminb | it's just running and running and... |
| 09:36.17 | SpeedEvil | depending on system. |
| 09:36.18 | cosminb | hmmm |
| 09:36.27 | SpeedEvil | maybe >2 |
| 09:36.30 | notserpe_ | jeddy3: I just woke up to receive 2 emails about my order(s) being cancelled. I asked on my second order that it be combined shipping with my first if possible. I got a response that both my orders were cancelled and I should reorder. |
| 09:36.31 | cosminb | it's like an athlon xp2600+ |
| 09:36.34 | SpeedEvil | but 10 hours is quite typical |
| 09:36.42 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Category:OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Berlin]] [[OpenEmbedded]] [[Oops]] [[Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers]] [[Neo1973_OpenOCD]] [[Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison]] [[NAND_bad_blocks]] [[Test_Openmoko_Emulation_with_chroot_image]] and other changes |
| 09:36.56 | cosminb | wow, that's quite some time |
| 09:37.06 | cosminb | what if I recompile, still 10h? |
| 09:37.12 | SpeedEvil | Consider that it's building a whole linux distribution. |
| 09:37.15 | jeddy3 | notserpe_, ouch |
| 09:37.22 | SpeedEvil | No - only what's changed builds |
| 09:37.49 | cosminb | I have added a line, was like "INHERIT += something" |
| 09:37.53 | oelewapperke | will the PDA02 have a camera ? |
| 09:37.54 | cosminb | which said saves space |
| 09:38.04 | cosminb | but I removed it 1min ago |
| 09:38.07 | cjb_ie | ugh, camera phones |
| 09:38.25 | oelewapperke | psch camera is useful |
| 09:38.28 | cosminb | do you think it removed anything so far? |
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| 09:39.25 | oelewapperke | SpeedEvil: why does it take that long ? |
| 09:39.38 | SpeedEvil | It's building _everything_. |
| 09:39.41 | SpeedEvil | Xwindows, ... |
| 09:40.01 | oelewapperke | yeah but still, it's building very minimal configs of everything |
| 09:40.37 | Stephmw | minimal config, including all the dependencies and any tools the build deps require |
| 09:40.38 | SpeedEvil | Which are still quite large. |
| 09:41.15 | cosminb | SpeedEvil: in my local.conf I had INHERIT+= "rm_work", just before starting to build... but now, seeing how much it takes to compile everything, I removed it... do you think it removed anything so far? or it removes the file at the end, after all it's done? |
| 09:41.50 | cosminb | s/file/files |
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| 09:42.26 | SpeedEvil | Dunno |
| 09:42.31 | notserpe_ | jeddy3: pretty harsh seeing as I would have just cancelled the extra unit if given the choice. If I'm pushed to SH2 I'm going to cancel this order and sulk for a long while. if I get both as part of SH1, I'm gonna throw a party. My orders were < #1900 and < #2000 respectively. |
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| 09:45.43 | mafeu | notserpe_: are there rumours on how many units are available for initial P1 orders? |
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| 09:46.08 | jrockway | i'm 2300 or so |
| 09:46.13 | jrockway | i hope i get one :) |
| 09:46.27 | codyl | I think the cutoff was 2700 ish |
| 09:47.27 | Kensan | mafeu: The first batch is supposedly around 1000 units. |
| 09:47.53 | mafeu | cody1: from where is that information? |
| 09:48.05 | CM | codyl: I'm guessing it's higher than that, but I'm just guessing too |
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| 09:48.39 | CM | It started on #1820, and not all tickets are orders. |
| 09:48.59 | jeddy3 | mafeu, i think nothing official, only a estimate of ~1000 units and first ticket of 1820 |
| 09:49.15 | codyl | CM, ya , so 1000+1820 - call it 2700 ;-) |
| 09:49.16 | jrockway | cool |
| 09:49.34 | ewanm89_laptop | I make it 2820 |
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| 09:49.48 | jrockway | what is rt at right now? |
| 09:50.04 | mafeu | going to be interesting with my order #2704 :-) |
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| 09:50.19 | CM | Highest on the P1_Owners page is 3473 or so |
| 09:50.22 | jeddy3 | early counts showed that 0.7 times the tickets were actual orders, so add some tickets to those 1000 |
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| 09:51.17 | codyl | CM, where is that page? |
| 09:51.26 | CM | codyl: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 09:51.35 | codyl | oh, wiki |
| 09:51.35 | codyl | thanks |
| 09:51.40 | CM | Just a wiki page, add yourself if you want :) |
| 09:51.47 | codyl | haha you are #2 |
| 09:51.54 | CM | :P |
| 09:52.22 | jrockway | cool page |
| 09:52.35 | jrockway | good to see other people from chicago, maybe we can have a local hackathon :) |
| 09:52.45 | codyl | CM, im not there. . :-( |
| 09:52.47 | codyl | ? |
| 09:52.50 | CM | jrockway: Look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups |
| 09:53.08 | CM | codyl: It's a wiki. If you've ordered one, add yourself at the bottom :) |
| 09:54.04 | codyl | CM, i thought it was generated - no wonders its small |
| 09:54.22 | ewanm89_laptop | You guys are making me jelous again, I want a neo advanced :( |
| 09:54.28 | CM | codyl: Heh, no. It's not official in any way. (I made it :P) |
| 09:54.34 | ewanm89_laptop | s/jel/jeal/ |
| 09:57.32 | SpeedEvil | jeddy3 y: officaly counts - someone from FIC has commented? |
| 09:57.49 | jrockway | does FIC make any other phones right now? |
| 09:57.52 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 09:57.56 | SpeedEvil | No OM ones. |
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| 09:58.04 | CM | SpeedEvil: Only roh saying that he didn't have a clue about the shipping |
| 09:58.15 | codyl | SpeedEvil, I thought they had quite a few ODM's |
| 09:58.27 | jeddy3 | SpeedEvil, nothing official i think |
| 09:58.35 | CM | SpeedEvil: Oh, you mean the 0.7? That rohs numbers too, but still just an estimate |
| 09:58.39 | SpeedEvil | Just wondering where you got the 0.7 |
| 09:59.07 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: gaping hole somewhere perhaps? |
| 09:59.20 | CM | SpeedEvil: Monday last week he said that only 250 out of 350 tickets were actual orders |
| 09:59.28 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 09:59.29 | Stephmw | Oh, there's some backing to it. Damn, ruined my delayed joke. |
| 09:59.31 | SpeedEvil | Missed that |
| 09:59.38 | CM | :P |
| 09:59.53 | Stephmw | only having had 3hrs sleep is lagging me out somewhat |
| 10:00.50 | jrockway | ah yes, their other phone has a "Cute & Lovely Hands free Doll" |
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| 10:01.11 | jrockway | if it was just lovely that would break the deal... but Cute *and* Lovely... |
| 10:01.23 | SpeedEvil | Hands free though, like lap-dancers. |
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| 10:03.50 | jrockway | i think the US-based cell phone companies should advertise in the same way |
| 10:03.55 | jrockway | "cute & lovely vendor lock in" |
| 10:04.05 | jrockway | "mega-bazooka pay $5 to download your pictures" |
| 10:04.06 | jrockway | etc. |
| 10:04.24 | jrockway | http://www.fic.com.tw/product/gt118.aspx # page in question |
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| 10:13.44 | pomelo | hi there, wanna ask how long will it be shipped to Shanghai? From the FAQ, I see it was produced in SuZhou, only 100miles away from... |
| 10:14.40 | kristian-m | pomelo I guess everything will be send to the us first |
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| 10:15.02 | hads | Sounds like it. |
| 10:16.28 | pomelo | thanks kristian, another thing is about if there is possible to upgrade when phase 2 comes out? really needs WIFI module. |
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| 10:18.20 | hads | I'd imagine the normal upgrade path is to buy a phase 2 phone. |
| 10:19.22 | ewanm89_laptop | pomelo: It has been asked whether it would be possible just to buy the new mainboard. |
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| 10:19.38 | pomelo | so it will take another several months hopefully |
| 10:19.42 | jrockway | looking forward to having wifi |
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| 10:19.58 | jrockway | my work wireless requires the use of a VPN client, so most everything is useless |
| 10:20.08 | jrockway | but vpnc works fine, and i imagine that it will work fine on the neo |
| 10:20.28 | jrockway | (incidentally, for the same reason, people with windows mobile can't use exchange from their phones. hilarious.) |
| 10:22.13 | ewanm89_laptop | jrockway: openemmbed alreaded include vpnc bitbake recipe. |
| 10:22.35 | ewanm89_laptop | s/ed/edded |
| 10:22.40 | pomelo | and also hope the team will upgrade their processor |
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| 10:23.15 | pomelo | will be cool if implement pxa modes |
| 10:25.25 | woglinde | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:25.48 | woglinde | the only question is if the vendor pays for this feature |
| 10:26.44 | ewanm89_laptop | So it costs more, what a suprise. |
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| 10:31.29 | ewanm89_laptop | All it requires: http://rafb.net/p/visKr250.html |
| 10:31.43 | ewanm89_laptop | And to know how to edit the file. |
| 10:32.04 | ewanm89_laptop | No money required just to get vpnc installed. |
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| 10:37.17 | Psi | what time/day is it in USA now? |
| 10:37.27 | woglinde | google? |
| 10:37.36 | Clint | 1:37am - 6:37am |
| 10:37.37 | Psi | we are just about to end the 16th |
| 10:38.23 | ewon | 11:38am, 16/7/2007 here in Ireland :) |
| 10:39.47 | hads | Psi: google:time in New York |
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| 10:41.15 | SpeedEvil | !google time in new york |
| 10:41.16 | cdbot2 | New York, New York, US -- Current local time: 6:41 AM on Monday, July 16 @ |
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| 10:41.18 | cdbot2 | Current local time in New York - New @ http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=179%20class=l |
| 10:41.30 | woglinde | !spam |
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| 11:06.48 | madwoota | someone needs to update their google script ^ |
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| 11:35.31 | CM | Crap.. Getting the 300s flashing timeout bug again :( |
| 11:36.42 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Booting_from_SD]] [[Binary_compatibility]] [[Battery]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware_-_Atmospheric]] [[Wishlist:Camera]] [[Wishlist:Expansion_Protocols]] [[Wishlist:Expansion_Front]] [[Wishlist:Expansion_Back]] [[Wishlist:Expansion]] [[Wishlist:Accessories]] and other changes |
| 11:37.34 | cosmin | if the mokomakefile build process fails due to a do_fetch, issuing the build command again resumes the process, right? |
| 11:38.13 | cosmin | it's the third time do_fetch failed today... :) |
| 11:38.41 | cosmin | I could sue my ISP... hmm >:] |
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| 11:38.55 | CM | It's usually just to restart |
| 11:39.06 | CM | Not sure it will do it in the same order every time though |
| 11:39.15 | cosmin | I see |
| 11:39.42 | cosmin | but won't recompile from scratch, right? |
| 11:40.07 | CM | No, only if you do "make clobber" so it removes everything |
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| 11:52.59 | andylockran | say I want to develop applications for the neo - how stable is the architecture behind the apps.. will it change much? |
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| 11:55.33 | SpeedEvil | what sort of applications? |
| 11:55.46 | SpeedEvil | The core - GTK + X is unlikely to change. |
| 11:56.09 | mafeu | andylockran: let me guess: since the developer neo is now available, openmoko.org wants people to develop their own apps, so the API is probably not going to be changed too much. |
| 11:56.43 | SpeedEvil | The API may change - worst case if they go in a direction the community doesn't like, it can be forked. |
| 11:57.01 | SpeedEvil | Don't like OM - fork off. |
| 11:57.32 | SpeedEvil | Forex, there are some libraries with substantial shared functionality that are present. |
| 11:58.01 | SpeedEvil | Someone might well submit patches to any core applications that use them to enable the platform to have one of them deleted. |
| 12:00.42 | andylockran | hehe.. :p |
| 12:01.33 | andylockran | man, I'm spending my time checking here for latest news on shipping rather than working.. |
| 12:01.59 | andylockran | is there a community planet for openmoko community members, rather than just the official planet ? |
| 12:06.35 | aevin | andylockran: no, i don't think so. perhaps someone should create an unofficial one? |
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| 12:07.03 | tuukkah | i thought openmoko.org *is* the community |
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| 12:07.11 | andylockran | aevin - yeah, do you reckon openmoko.org will give us another subdomain? |
| 12:07.18 | andylockran | users.openmoko.org |
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| 12:07.33 | aevin | andylockran: i have no idea. |
| 12:07.52 | jgm | I agree with tuukkah, given the Wiki what is there that you want to do that you can't already? |
| 12:08.08 | andylockran | becuase there's lots of interesting stuff being blogged about now |
| 12:09.31 | aevin | andylockran: yes, it could be interesting to read about peoples private openmoko hacking (which is not directly suited to publish on any of the MLs or perhaps the wiki(?)) |
| 12:10.03 | jgm | Okay so put together a Wiki page that has a list of everyone's RSS feeds? |
| 12:10.17 | andylockran | jgm - yeah, but that's not as tidy as an aggregator |
| 12:10.33 | aevin | but OTOH spreading the channels for OM info could be unwise, as we've already got the wiki, a number of MLs and this IRC channel. |
| 12:10.51 | andylockran | yeah, that's also true |
| 12:11.04 | andylockran | well, perhaps we just wait til planet.openmoko.org opens up :) |
| 12:11.12 | jgm | Yeah but it takes a lot less effort, plus surely there is some third-party aggregator out there? |
| 12:12.30 | Kensan | andylockran: there's potentially hundreds of interesting community blogs but it is very unlikely that everybody want's to read all the posts. A Wiki-Page with entries and brief descriptions of blogs is IMHO a better way to spread the info. |
| 12:12.38 | Kero | I guess interesting blogs will be linked to planet.openmoko ? |
| 12:12.57 | jgm | Kero: I *think* that planet.openmoko is only 'official' blogs so not necessarily |
| 12:13.02 | Kero | if everyone can write on it, there will be too much useless info, I fear... |
| 12:13.21 | Kero | but hey, I plan to write on http://chmeee.dyndns.org/rambling/blog.srb?author=Kero |
| 12:13.35 | Kero | (and no, you can not make your own blog there :) |
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| 12:14.22 | andylockran | I've got an aggregator at www.whatisfloss.co.uk - if anyone wants me to put their blog up there |
| 12:14.27 | aevin | all the people on the planet.openmoko.org atm is either insiders or P0 devs, right? |
| 12:14.37 | andylockran | aevin: that's what i thought |
| 12:16.18 | aevin | i think it would be best to have a separate channel for unofficial postings, which is pretty much open for anyone to join (thus you'll have to read it with a more tight filter, if you like), but should somehow be hooked up with a link from the wiki or something (clearly marked as unofficial blog postings) |
| 12:17.33 | andylockran | yeah |
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| 12:17.35 | aevin | but i dunno :-) |
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| 12:23.01 | aevin | btw the "Can I has a Neo? I has break my phone" on the planet is (still) quite funny. haha. |
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| 12:25.33 | holycow | aevin, that sound funny |
| 12:25.34 | holycow | url? |
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| 12:27.00 | holycow | oh haha |
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| 12:33.33 | SpeedEvil | Currently spamming recent changes - though in a good cause. |
| 12:34.02 | CM | SpeedEvil: I noticed that to, tagging a lot of pages |
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| 12:34.47 | aevin | SpeedEvil: i thought he was spamming the wiki without a cause too, but realised he actually did add something useful. |
| 12:34.58 | jgm | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/External_Feeds - list of feeds for external blogs |
| 12:38.40 | SpeedEvil | Conflict resolution on the wiki sucks. There should be a 'stomp these changes' button. |
| 12:38.55 | SpeedEvil | I hit some conflicts with myself that is. |
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| 12:45.51 | cosmin | what's the command to get gcc3 on ubuntu? |
| 12:45.59 | cosmin | apt-get install gcc...? |
| 12:46.24 | inz | -3.3 or -3.4 |
| 12:47.22 | cosmin | ok, thanks |
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| 12:50.48 | tuukkah | perhaps we should consider openmoko.org to be the software and openmoko.com to be the hardware |
| 12:51.40 | tuukkah | or what's the logic? |
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| 12:52.54 | Kensan | My view: Openmoko.com is the website of Openmoko Inc. the legal entity behind the Openmoko project. Openmoko.org is the community website of the openmoko project. |
| 12:53.36 | Kensan | Openmoko being the software-stack. FIC is the manufacturer of the first phone (Neo1973) running Openmoko. |
| 12:53.40 | tuukkah | in that case the official planet should be planet.openmoko.com, and planet.openmoko.org should be open to community members |
| 12:56.05 | andylockran | tuukkah: I agree with your idea.. planet.com for the officials... |
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| 13:12.01 | SpeedEvil | Gah - why did I leave it so long to sort the Wish List thing. |
| 13:12.13 | andylockran | SpeedEvil: Wish List |
| 13:12.15 | andylockran | ? |
| 13:12.27 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List |
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| 13:12.43 | SpeedEvil | Rather random - though less random than it was a couple of hours ago. |
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| 13:37.22 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[Category:Hardware]] [[Category:Wishlist]] [[Category:Requires_accelerometer]] [[Wishlist:Computer_Mouse]] [[Hammerhead/Protocol]] [[OpenMoko:Community_Portal]] [[Binary_compatibility]] [[Battery]] [[Wishlist:Distance_tracker]] and other changes |
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| 13:40.52 | andylockran | wow.. #openmoko has actually gone quiet :p |
| 13:41.25 | jeddy3 | it's the anticipation ;) |
| 13:41.28 | mjr | in anticipation |
| 13:41.30 | mjr | echo :) |
| 13:41.32 | jeddy3 | :D |
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| 13:43.13 | ar1 | a question.. |
| 13:43.14 | ar1 | someone is from fic here? |
| 13:43.40 | ar1 | or.. from openmoko.com |
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| 13:45.06 | mjr | some are, not sure about them being awake |
| 13:45.20 | Stephmw | ar1: it's really just easier for you to ask your question :) |
| 13:45.22 | dtx | I'm awake |
| 13:45.23 | dtx | now |
| 13:45.28 | mjr | Stephmw, indeed |
| 13:46.30 | ar1 | Stephmw: i want to become in sales representative ;) |
| 13:46.54 | mjr | oh, well, that probably does require FIC guy access :] |
| 13:47.09 | cjb_ie | you know in its current state it's only good for developers and hardcore geeks? |
| 13:47.11 | Stephmw | haha |
| 13:47.24 | ar1 | yes |
| 13:47.25 | Stephmw | ar1: for which region, out of interest? :) |
| 13:47.34 | ar1 | latin america |
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| 13:47.54 | ar1 | venezuela,colombia,ecuador perú |
| 13:49.06 | ar1 | andes region |
| 13:49.14 | ar1 | «region andina» |
| 13:49.23 | ar1 | :-D |
| 13:50.48 | ar1 | Stephmw: and i want to know, what can i do, and what have i do |
| 13:50.54 | ar1 | ;) |
| 13:51.16 | Stephmw | I understand - emailing them direct (in addition to lurking here) is a good idea |
| 13:51.39 | buz | ar1: mostly you need patience right now |
| 13:51.53 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. Now I guess I need to link all the 'wish list' stuff that has application pages. |
| 13:51.55 | buz | but if you can program, you can help ;) |
| 13:52.08 | SpeedEvil | If you can supply accurate bug reports, you can help. |
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| 13:52.27 | SpeedEvil | If you can stop random people in the street, and enthuse about the project, you can help. |
| 13:53.31 | andylockran | yeah, I've just blogged about it mainly thus far.. and am starting to learn about programming the beast |
| 13:54.28 | ar1 | yes i know, but if .. i start to working about the formalities.. ;) |
| 13:54.44 | ar1 | here the people are very interested... |
| 13:54.51 | ar1 | and i'm very interesyed too |
| 13:54.54 | ScaredyCat | ok, where's my device! |
| 13:55.13 | ar1 | interesyed/interested |
| 13:56.24 | ewon | is openmoko planning on using the same ordering system for GTA02 they used for GTA01? e.g. RT meltdown? |
| 13:56.33 | SpeedEvil | I doubt it. |
| 13:56.48 | ScaredyCat | If I didn't want one I'd not have fscking brought one...; |
| 13:56.53 | SpeedEvil | It would have been done rather better if they asked the people here to beta test it - even for an hour. |
| 13:56.55 | ewon | SpeedEvil: I hope so to. It put me off re-ordering my "lost" GTA01 order |
| 13:57.00 | ewon | s/to/too/ |
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| 13:58.09 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: you been working on backpacks? |
| 13:58.32 | ar1 | ScaredyCat: i'm helping... i'm traslating some things to the spanish... i'm Aw |
| 13:58.36 | ar1 | Arw ;) |
| 13:58.46 | ar1 | from the wiki |
| 13:59.15 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat? |
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| 13:59.25 | SpeedEvil | Oh - no. |
| 13:59.31 | SpeedEvil | Well - slightly. |
| 13:59.41 | SpeedEvil | I've been working on wiki, and actual solder-together-hardware. |
| 13:59.45 | ewanm89_laptop | I'm trying to add multi user support to openmoko. |
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| 14:00.51 | andylockran | ewanm89_laptop: multi-user? - there a wiki page I can read on your work? |
| 14:02.20 | SpeedEvil | ewan: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List#User_Profiles |
| 14:02.38 | SpeedEvil | Slightly relevant. |
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| 14:04.04 | MrFeetio | is there anyway to hook up a second screen to the neo? |
| 14:04.48 | ewanm89_laptop | I read something about being able to plu psp screen in. |
| 14:05.09 | MrFeetio | i want to mod a DS to hold it |
| 14:06.33 | buz | there's no way to add a 2nd screen to neo |
| 14:07.08 | MrFeetio | damn, i wanted a dual screen neo |
| 14:07.27 | MrFeetio | and it would have game buttons |
| 14:07.34 | thomasg_ | I want a 21" neo with widescreen, HD ready and bluray |
| 14:07.56 | cjb_ie | thomasg_: right. but it has to weight at most 4oz. |
| 14:08.05 | Fatal | ofcourse |
| 14:08.07 | thomasg_ | definately |
| 14:08.25 | thomasg_ | and we must be able to fold it down to 3" |
| 14:08.34 | MrFeetio | and it has to have 7.1 |
| 14:08.41 | MrFeetio | surround sound |
| 14:09.01 | ewanm89_laptop | SpeedEvil: Thanks, must of missed it myself. |
| 14:10.07 | MrFeetio | could i hook up a second screen if i had a debugging bored? |
| 14:10.23 | ewanm89_laptop | SpeedEvil: At the moment I'm getting the basic framework there so it's not root by default. |
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| 14:10.38 | SpeedEvil | ewanm89_laptop: prolly a good plan. |
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| 14:12.26 | ewanm89_laptop | SpeedEvil: The standard 'nix users and groups can handle most of it. |
| 14:12.36 | ewanm89_laptop | Password protect uboot, and bingo. |
| 14:12.53 | SpeedEvil | Pretty much. |
| 14:13.00 | SpeedEvil | Apart from JTAG |
| 14:13.13 | ewanm89_laptop | So I now got sudo installed, and shadowfile support for busybox. |
| 14:13.37 | Qwell | SpeedEvil: or mounting the drive on another machine |
| 14:13.53 | SpeedEvil | Mounting the NAND in another machine is non-trivial. |
| 14:13.59 | ewanm89_laptop | SpeedEvil: JTAG is going to be difficult whatever you do, at least I can get the basics there. |
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| 14:14.47 | Qwell | SpeedEvil: I was under the impression that it could be mounted as a usb mass storage device. maybe I'm mistaken.. |
| 14:14.53 | ewanm89_laptop | I got sudo support, and shadow password support for busybox, plus passwd, adduser, addgroup. |
| 14:15.06 | SpeedEvil | Qwell: that can't happen if you want it secure though. |
| 14:15.34 | SpeedEvil | Qwell: someone being able to plug in their laptop to your phone and trojan it without any password = bad. |
| 14:15.56 | ewanm89_laptop | Now, do you know where the config files are? |
| 14:16.03 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 14:16.07 | ewanm89_laptop | In oe/om trees. |
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| 14:17.59 | ewanm89_laptop | SpeedEvil: I was thinking of creating an openmoko default user for now. |
| 14:20.21 | SpeedEvil | ewanm89_laptop: yeah - that makes sense - the full user managment is way out in the future. |
| 14:21.15 | untwisted | mornin' party people |
| 14:21.35 | untwisted | thanks |
| 14:22.06 | ewanm89_laptop | SpeedEvil: But it will pretty much be the geek profile. |
| 14:22.29 | ewanm89_laptop | ideally an app to set these settings on first boot. |
| 14:23.01 | ewanm89_laptop | straight after touchscreen calibration. |
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| 14:25.59 | ewanm89_laptop | SpeedEvil: Could these be put into the openmoko side by default, rather than patching them across from openembedded? |
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| 14:31.16 | ScaredyCat | they should have made the reply message: |
| 14:31.36 | ScaredyCat | I_AM_NOT_A_RETARD_I_KNOW_WHAT_I_FSCKING_ORDERED |
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| 14:32.28 | SpeedEvil | ewanm89_laptop: duno. |
| 14:32.54 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: To be fair. If someone was direct-linked to that page, there were rather too few caveats. |
| 14:33.25 | andylockran | what's the most efficient scripting language for use on the openmoko? |
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| 14:34.00 | ScaredyCat | ya, I understand that some people didn't know, I guess I'm annoyed at the fact that I was away so didn't get hte email until now. So if demand is too high I'll miss out on this batch... |
| 14:34.17 | andylockran | This is a bit of an adventurous quest, but I was going to run http://chaos.zrmt.com on the neo to see how fast it ran it. What language would it best be done in? (currently javascript) |
| 14:34.34 | SpeedEvil | There is no JS at the moment - no browser |
| 14:34.43 | CM | ScaredyCat: They're not supposed to start shipping before today anyway |
| 14:34.59 | ScaredyCat | and as far as I'm concerned, I've waited longer than I expected anyway... |
| 14:35.20 | ScaredyCat | ya, CM - but if they process in the order the got the I_DO replies... |
| 14:36.48 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: Some of us can't physically order, at least you'll get one :( |
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| 14:37.46 | ScaredyCat | I'll rent you mine ewanm89_laptop ;) |
| 14:38.02 | SpeedEvil | The implied 1200 phones ordered leaves only a small number of dropouts needed to get back under 1K |
| 14:38.18 | SpeedEvil | I do hope they've kicked off the next K though. |
| 14:38.59 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: I want my own, but I got nasty parents, and my bank account is just nasty, hopefully I'll have a new account in the coming weeks. |
| 14:39.18 | SpeedEvil | ewanm89_laptop: camboy! |
| 14:39.29 | SpeedEvil | Does amazon do wishlists for the neo? :) |
| 14:39.31 | ewanm89_laptop | ? |
| 14:39.36 | ScaredyCat | ewanm89_laptop: I sold my soul to the devil... |
| 14:40.38 | SpeedEvil | If |
| 14:40.38 | ewanm89_laptop | ScaredyCat: How old are you? |
| 14:40.39 | SpeedEvil | If |
| 14:41.10 | SpeedEvil | oops - accidentally secured keyb |
| 14:41.10 | ScaredyCat | 38... so not long left ;) |
| 14:41.23 | ewanm89_laptop | SpeedEvil: You? |
| 14:41.26 | ewon | the ticket-tracking-madhouse-ordering-system has put me off ordering a GTA01 |
| 14:41.39 | ewon | seriously, such a system can not be exposed to Joe Public |
| 14:42.06 | MrFeetio | aka digg |
| 14:42.10 | ckuethe | that's fine. GTA01 isn't for joe public |
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| 14:42.34 | ckuethe | but yes, one would hope that the process streamlines before GTA02 |
| 14:42.35 | ewon | obviously |
| 14:42.35 | SpeedEvil | It shouldn't be exposed to Mike Developer that you don't want to piss off. |
| 14:42.45 | ckuethe | agreed. |
| 14:43.08 | ewanm89_laptop | So don't show RMS the system? |
| 14:43.33 | ewon | using a ticket-tracking system for such a task seems a bit insane |
| 14:43.45 | ScaredyCat | I guess the answer is get the ordering system sorted before you go live with it |
| 14:44.23 | ewon | I know a company that does large online ordering systems; I've pinged the CTO (a guy I know) and told him to get in touch with openmoko |
| 14:46.33 | Kensan | ewon: In a perfect world, FIC would have 10 people putting up a nice webshop, processing orders and whatnot... |
| 14:46.42 | zipola | Automatic profile matching via Bluetooth :) |
| 14:46.48 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: there are any number of easy-to-use web-stores. |
| 14:46.54 | ScaredyCat | os commerce isn't that hard to setup |
| 14:47.03 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: yes, if you have the time. |
| 14:47.15 | phrozen77_ | but plain osc is sort of.. feature-less |
| 14:47.15 | SpeedEvil | It's quicker than hacking one together. |
| 14:47.15 | phrozen77_ | :| |
| 14:47.20 | Kensan | SpeedEvil: it seems that Laf0rge had to take care of it last minute. |
| 14:47.26 | Kensan | So I would cut them some slack. |
| 14:47.36 | ScaredyCat | phrozen77_: ture, but it'd work for what they wanted... |
| 14:47.36 | SpeedEvil | Hell - even ebay, BIN, with a quantity of 1000. |
| 14:47.46 | ewon | it's not LaForge's fault |
| 14:48.19 | ScaredyCat | s/ture/true/ |
| 14:48.25 | Kensan | ewon: no it's not. It's the inadequate amount of competente people in the openmoko core team -> too much work for the size of the team. |
| 14:48.39 | phrozen77_ | lol @ the apt-bot :P |
| 14:48.40 | cninja | they're doing a good job... given the small size of the team |
| 14:49.10 | Kensan | IMHO it's insane what that team has put together in this timeframe... |
| 14:49.29 | cninja | if i were to ship 1000 pieces of stuff off UPS... I think it'll take me forever |
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| 14:49.45 | SpeedEvil | cninja: it's really not that bad. |
| 14:50.13 | SpeedEvil | cninja: you print off the labels, check that each address looks sane, jam the thing into the appropriate envelope, and done. |
| 14:50.16 | cninja | true... i can't wait to get my hands on the phones too |
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| 14:50.27 | SpeedEvil | If you take a minute per item, you're doing it wrong. |
| 14:50.27 | cninja | heh, i run an online shop myself |
| 14:50.48 | cninja | it's really pain in the butt to manage even 100 items :) |
| 14:51.00 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 14:51.09 | SpeedEvil | With a thousand, you tell UPS to come and get them. |
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| 14:51.43 | cninja | they're shipping them today right? |
| 14:51.51 | SpeedEvil | Maybe. |
| 14:51.51 | ewon | hah |
| 14:51.56 | cninja | awww |
| 14:52.09 | ewon | cninja: that's some good optimism ya got there |
| 14:52.51 | cninja | i wish they can just UPS right from Suzhou/China.... Dell does this right? |
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| 14:53.19 | ewon | anyone know if GTA02 will ship from California as well? |
| 14:53.27 | PBeck | hi |
| 14:53.29 | SpeedEvil | I hope not. |
| 14:53.32 | SpeedEvil | Welcome! |
| 14:54.10 | ewon | SpeedEvil: given I'll be living in California when GTA02 is released, I sincerely hope it is :) |
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| 14:54.36 | SpeedEvil | Or at least I hope they don't use the same shipping method. |
| 14:54.41 | SpeedEvil | $80 to ship to UK is insane. |
| 14:55.44 | SpeedEvil | That tops $600 - for the basic model - after taxes. |
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| 14:56.42 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but what's 600 |
| 14:56.52 | woglinde | re |
| 14:57.01 | mmazur | Taxes? |
| 14:57.14 | ScaredyCat | s/yeah, but what's 600/Yeah, but what's $600 these days, 35p ? ;) |
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| 14:57.41 | mafeu | SpeedEvil: is there tax on the shipping fee as well? |
| 14:59.30 | cjb_ie | certainly if you were importing into ireland, you'd pay duty on the shipping fee |
| 14:59.44 | SpeedEvil | mafeu: As I've read it - in the import regulations. |
| 14:59.59 | mmazur | Oh crap. |
| 15:00.05 | SpeedEvil | You pay VAT - in theory - on the portion of the shipping that happens within ght eEU. |
| 15:00.08 | ewanm89_laptop | I belive it's only VAT in the UK @ 17.5 % |
| 15:00.27 | SpeedEvil | In practice who knows. |
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| 15:02.31 | ewon | win 20 |
| 15:02.33 | ewon | doh |
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| 15:03.26 | mafeu | Shipping and taxes will make my neo (300 + 77) +1.19 ~ 450$! Well, at least the sum in € will sound less painfull. |
| 15:03.39 | ScaredyCat | ..but anyway... still no news on if they are actually processing orders today or not, if sutff has got through customs or not... ? |
| 15:04.03 | mmazur | Me no likie taxes. |
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| 15:04.18 | ScaredyCat | mafeu: not +1.19 |
| 15:04.29 | ScaredyCat | x 1.195 |
| 15:04.42 | andylockran | no news :( |
| 15:05.45 | ScaredyCat | .. it's like there's this company that makes communications devices, but doesn't know how to communicate |
| 15:05.46 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 15:06.22 | ScaredyCat | still, at least I had a weekend in london |
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| 15:07.03 | cel_ | customs authority in austria told me: (450$ (advanced)+ 172$ (shipping)) x 1,20 (20% tax)= 746,4 $ :(( |
| 15:07.23 | mmazur | Ouch. |
| 15:07.27 | ScaredyCat | cel_: do they do it for *all* packages |
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| 15:07.44 | ScaredyCat | I kno win the uk, some get through without being charged |
| 15:07.47 | christian_ | huhu |
| 15:07.59 | ScaredyCat | it's just the luck of the draw |
| 15:08.05 | cel_ | te |
| 15:08.17 | summatusmentis | conics.net, when they ship a zaurus into the US, they say it's a $100 translator to avoid customs |
| 15:08.41 | ScaredyCat | but that's fraud |
| 15:08.42 | cel_ | they said i have to pay tax on shipping |
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| 15:09.22 | cel_ | its a pain in the ass |
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| 15:09.24 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: is it? I don't know... That's just what I've heard |
| 15:09.30 | SpeedEvil | It is. |
| 15:09.31 | ScaredyCat | aud is quite weak though cel_ , no? |
| 15:09.40 | SpeedEvil | In principle the US could in fact prosecute on that. |
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| 15:09.54 | SpeedEvil | And get any US assets of the corp in question. |
| 15:10.02 | SpeedEvil | As it's knowing fraud. |
| 15:10.21 | cel_ | i live in austria europe maybe ist different in ohter countrys |
| 15:10.24 | dcordes | is it possible to say when openmoko will use the up to date revisions of openembedded? |
| 15:10.27 | ScaredyCat | oooo... aud ~= usd |
| 15:10.31 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: ah... hrm. Well, I should probably not buy from them in the future then... Never bought from them in the past, as I found out about them after I purchased |
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| 15:10.45 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: It's not your problem. |
| 15:10.53 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: unless it gets broken in shipment. |
| 15:11.05 | SpeedEvil | In which case the insurance would generally pay back $100 |
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| 15:11.30 | summatusmentis | mm.. well, I guess that's good to know.. not supporting knowing fraud and all that |
| 15:11.31 | cel_ | s/ohter/other |
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| 15:12.05 | SpeedEvil | Tehy may not have thought it through, and simply be acting on consumer requests. |
| 15:12.18 | ScaredyCat | sorry cel_ - thought you said australia .... |
| 15:12.19 | christian_ | what's the name of the german openmoko irc channel |
| 15:12.21 | christian_ | ? |
| 15:12.26 | SpeedEvil | #openmoko-de? |
| 15:12.34 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 15:12.37 | cel_ | SpeedEvil:ist possible |
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| 15:13.58 | don-o | are there any updates to the shipment status? |
| 15:14.12 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 15:14.19 | dcordes | or will OM always use that fixed revision? |
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| 15:16.43 | SpeedEvil | At one point OM was thought to be moving too fast. |
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| 15:17.41 | SpeedEvil | So it's probably safe to say that it will move to more recent versions in the future. If it'll ever track the current version is anohter question. |
| 15:18.00 | jadams | I'm ord 3169, really hoping that '1000 units and 0.7 coefficient for tickets/orders and tickets start at 1800' thing pans out... |
| 15:18.26 | christian_ | riot: where is the german chan gone? |
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| 15:27.00 | ScaredyCat | would it be wrong to suggest they'd taken over the Polish channel? |
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| 15:27.24 | Qwell[] | TimRiker: hey |
| 15:27.56 | TimRiker | moin |
| 15:28.28 | Qwell[] | TimRiker: I've been meaning to ask.. Do all these bots (apt, jbot, etc) share a database? |
| 15:28.28 | aloril | Qwell[]: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 15:30.06 | TimRiker | Qwell[]: yes. more to the point, they are all the same bot. ie: the same process. it multiconnects. so they share all the same in memory data too. |
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| 15:30.15 | Qwell[] | neat |
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| 15:31.22 | TimRiker | back in the day... freenode could not offer the bot more channels than the default user limit without making it an ircop. I thought that was a Very Bad Idea so I implemented the multiconnect. |
| 15:31.44 | Qwell[] | How many channels is he in? O.o |
| 15:31.53 | TimRiker | not the bot can actually be in a ton of channels, so I really could run it all under one nick, but I've not changed it. |
| 15:31.58 | TimRiker | ~chaninfo |
| 15:31.58 | apt | I'm on 81 channels: #debian/770, #openmoko/339, #kde/311, #asterisk/275, #wowace/249, #idlerpg/203, #maemo/194, #oe/115, #wowi-lounge/112, ##essy/73, #bzflag/63, #handhelds/62, #wowwiki/62, #tomcat/61, #utah/53, #slug/49, #elive/43, #nslu2-linux/43, #openzaurus/42, #uclibc/40, #gllug/37, #htc-linux/35, #elinux/30, #edev/27, #norganna/27, #kierra/25, #brlcad/25, ... |
| 15:31.58 | apt | i've cached 3873 users, 2977 unique users, distributed over 81 channels. |
| 15:32.20 | TimRiker | the default freenode limit is 20 per connection. |
| 15:32.24 | ferric | can't believe #openmoko is > #kde |
| 15:32.26 | mmazur | Polish channel? |
| 15:32.28 | SpeedEvil | Does it publish logs of those channels? |
| 15:32.33 | TimRiker | ~logs |
| 15:32.34 | apt | from memory, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
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| 15:36.42 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Unresolved_Hardware_Questions]] [[Wish_List]] [[Category:Technical]] [[Category:Categories]] [[Talk:Mokopedia]] [[Media_Content]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Berlin]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_NYC_Metro]] [[User_talk:JoSch]] [[OpenMoko_Local_Groups:_Washington_DC_Metro]] and other changes |
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| 15:42.34 | PBeck | today the neos will shipped? |
| 15:43.14 | PBeck | i hope the gta_02 release is soon :) |
| 15:43.21 | don-o | The Ubuntu "Mobile and Embedded" Browser description is pretty interesting. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Browser |
| 15:43.24 | Fatal | Was one supposed to get a confirmation email after the YES_I_DO confirmation mail? |
| 15:43.31 | Qwell[] | Fatal: I hear no |
| 15:43.32 | minime | SpeedEvil, do you know yacy? (-->wwwoffle) |
| 15:43.33 | Qwell[] | only on CANCEL |
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| 15:43.47 | Fatal | Qwell[]: ok, then hopefully my order is still in order :) |
| 15:44.17 | SpeedEvil | minime - no. |
| 15:44.31 | woglinde | he minime |
| 15:44.32 | SpeedEvil | minime: I've just used it for several years. |
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| 15:44.49 | SpeedEvil | minime: I have it setup to proxy all my web-access and copy it. |
| 15:44.53 | don-o | (rant) radio silence for hardware production is understandable, its their business etc etc. but the same lack of updates after taking peoples' money is unreal. |
| 15:45.04 | SpeedEvil | Searching that subset of the web is much more productive. |
| 15:45.12 | SpeedEvil | Have they actually taken any money?> |
| 15:45.16 | SpeedEvil | From anyones CC? |
| 15:45.27 | SpeedEvil | I've not actually heard that. |
| 15:45.44 | SpeedEvil | If they haven't, it's quite probable they will delay shipping till after requesting payment. |
| 15:45.49 | don-o | SpeedEvil: i suppose there is a distinction, but having the CC and the authorization to charge the card is close. |
| 15:45.58 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 15:46.15 | don-o | SpeedEvil: yes that would help, no charges until its actually shipped to customers. |
| 15:47.25 | don-o | what im most concerned with is the phones might be held up in taiwan/chinese/us customs, with the potential of not even making it to Frement, CA and they are sitting on that information. |
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| 15:48.39 | SpeedEvil | They've been impounded due to suspected ITAR violations after I mentioned it on the wiki. Oh no, it's all my fault! |
| 15:49.14 | SpeedEvil | Who mentioned the 16th anyway - I'm sure I've asked this before. |
| 15:49.18 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: you serious? |
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| 15:49.52 | SpeedEvil | Oh - tis on wiki. |
| 15:49.55 | SpeedEvil | duffyd: no. |
| 15:50.02 | untwisted | Anyone here an IT guy that may be able to help out a fellow server admin? |
| 15:50.14 | SpeedEvil | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/006633.html |
| 15:50.14 | woglinde | lol |
| 15:50.15 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: phew |
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| 15:50.21 | woglinde | untwisted for a beer? |
| 15:50.30 | don-o | SpeedEvil: my best evidence for suspicion is the lack of FCCID |
| 15:50.31 | duffyd | untwisted: make that a German lager ;-) |
| 15:50.47 | happycube | it's 8:49am in fremont now |
| 15:50.57 | happycube | so they have plenty of time to ship today |
| 15:51.02 | woglinde | hehe |
| 15:51.05 | duffyd | happycube: horatio! |
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| 15:51.12 | don-o | happycube: heehee |
| 15:51.23 | untwisted | woglinde, duffyd: I'd be more than happy to have a beer with ya, but right now I have to convince the building managers that turning the air off over the weekend is a BAD idea for the servers... |
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| 15:51.38 | duffyd | untwisted: oh no! |
| 15:51.47 | woglinde | untwisted and that should we tell him? |
| 15:52.16 | duffyd | untwisted: I can relate :-( |
| 15:52.21 | untwisted | You guys know where I can find a document with specs on server room temps? Also maybe some documented cases of server meltdown? They want proof that it needs to be on, but I don't have my Cisco cirriculum login info anymore. |
| 15:52.45 | woglinde | untwisted depends an on the servers |
| 15:52.55 | woglinde | and the room size |
| 15:53.00 | untwisted | duffyd: Ya know, they hire you for a job and then tell you "no" when you try to do it properly. In 3 months when the server explodes they're going to come running to me complaining that I should've done something about it. |
| 15:53.03 | woglinde | windows |
| 15:53.04 | happycube | with all the eqipment in a server room, if the ac's turned off it tends to reach 90+f in there and above the maximum rated operating temp |
| 15:53.06 | woglinde | and so on |
| 15:53.07 | happycube | ouch |
| 15:53.20 | happycube | how hot is it down there? |
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| 15:53.23 | untwisted | it was 92F in here over the weekend |
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| 15:53.48 | happycube | it won't fry the equipment in 3 months but it will probably cut the lifespan by about half? |
| 15:53.55 | ewanm89_laptop | untwisted: Why the hell do they need to turn it off? |
| 15:54.13 | untwisted | save energy, help with global warming they say |
| 15:54.22 | MrFeetio | tell them that the servers should be shut off then |
| 15:54.26 | happycube | yeah |
| 15:54.32 | MrFeetio | no ac, no servers |
| 15:54.35 | don-o | is the server room AC not seperate from the building AC? |
| 15:55.03 | untwisted | Nope :-/ this is probably the least optimal setup EVER. |
| 15:55.05 | duffyd | untwisted: does practicality come into this anywhere? Mad! |
| 15:55.25 | untwisted | Seriously, when I started here I almost puked on the guy who set this up |
| 15:55.28 | duffyd | untwisted: that's why I try to stay away from sys admin stuff :-( |
| 15:55.35 | untwisted | but because of all the red tape I've been able to do next to nothing to fix it |
| 15:55.43 | ewanm89_laptop | It'll be better to by a solar/wind/battery setup and run it off that. |
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| 15:55.54 | SpeedEvil | untwisted: google 'computer reliability ambient temperature' that should turn up lots. |
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| 15:56.07 | untwisted | ooh, thanks, good terms :) |
| 15:56.26 | don-o | i find businesses are hugely wasteful when it comes to electricity. |
| 15:56.33 | don-o | cool a whole building just to reach one room? |
| 15:56.36 | ewanm89_laptop | untwisted: Just tell them the server would automatically shutdown when it gets that hot. |
| 15:56.46 | happycube | " |
| 15:56.48 | happycube | It is a generally agreed upon standard in the computer industry that expensive IT equipment should not be operated in a computer room or data center where the ambient room temperature has exceeded 85°F (30°C)." |
| 15:56.52 | happycube | http://www.avtech.com/About/Articles/AVT/NA/All/-/DD-NN-AN-TN/Recommended_Computer_Room_Temperature_Humidity.htm |
| 15:56.54 | don-o | it should be easy to justify a new unit for the server rooom. |
| 15:57.02 | untwisted | I did, they want some sort of documented proof... I told them I was trained for this, but I'm not a reputable source I guess. |
| 15:57.06 | duffyd | untwisted: sounds like my last job ;-) http://kokorice.org/blog/archive/2006/12/24/sysadmin-stresses |
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| 15:58.22 | duffyd | untwisted: the first paragraph is the only relevant part here :-) |
| 15:58.32 | untwisted | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.43 | untwisted | this is good. I also found the IBM spec, it had some fancy graphs |
| 15:59.18 | untwisted | well, back to battling with them, thanks guys :) |
| 15:59.33 | duffyd | untwisted: hope you win! |
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| 16:00.25 | happycube | good luck |
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| 16:05.50 | kristian-m | Okay, I've put the chroot-image online - see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Test_Openmoko_Emulation_with_chroot_image |
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| 16:06.46 | SpeedEvil | Where's it hosted? |
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| 16:08.52 | kristian-m | SpeedEvil here, at the TFH University in Berlin - we've got 100 Mb/s out |
| 16:09.09 | ScaredyCat | gives good speed |
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| 16:09.48 | SpeedEvil | 59.6K/s here. |
| 16:09.55 | SpeedEvil | Which as I'm on a 512 link... |
| 16:10.01 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 16:10.40 | kristian-m | have fun - have to take a course now - bbl |
| 16:10.45 | SpeedEvil | WAve. |
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| 16:11.42 | ewanm89_laptop | kristian-m: Users shouldn't be a problem under emulation either, but I'm working on it. |
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| 16:12.31 | ewanm89_laptop | Anypne have any idea where openmoko gets the default configuration options from? |
| 16:13.08 | ewanm89_laptop | s/p/o/ |
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| 16:15.02 | andylockran | get |
| 16:15.09 | andylockran | oops, that was meant to say hey |
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| 16:16.12 | ewanm89_laptop | andylockran: Going to stay this time? |
| 16:16.23 | andylockran | I hope so.. |
| 16:16.31 | ewanm89_laptop | lol |
| 16:16.31 | andylockran | irssi has messed me up too |
| 16:16.44 | andylockran | how can I reassign the channel number |
| 16:16.53 | ewon | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.04 | ewanm89_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.20 | cjb | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.30 | ewanm89_laptop | cjb: irssi ftw |
| 16:17.31 | cjb_ie | andylockran: if you're running out of channel shortcut keys, http://cjb.ie/irssi.txt |
| 16:18.32 | ewanm89_laptop | I haven't gone through 20 just yet. |
| 16:18.43 | cjb | cjb_ie: wait, are you another cjb? |
| 16:18.48 | cjb | this is getting ridiculous |
| 16:18.50 | cjb_ie | cjb: i do apologise. |
| 16:18.58 | cjb | cjb_ie: there was a cjb_ here when I got here |
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| 16:19.06 | Uatec | Hi there |
| 16:19.08 | cjb | but he changed to nick to cbaird to avoid confusion |
| 16:19.09 | ewon | o/ |
| 16:19.09 | ewanm89_laptop | anyone younger than 18 here? |
| 16:19.25 | andylockran | how can I access windows 11 and 12? |
| 16:19.31 | SiO2 | ewanm89_laptop, ??? |
| 16:19.33 | ewon | alt+q |
| 16:19.35 | ewanm89_laptop | alt+q |
| 16:19.42 | ewanm89_laptop | alt+w |
| 16:19.53 | Uatec | I was looking on the website, What is the debugboard? |
| 16:19.53 | aloril | Uatec: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 16:19.53 | ewon | cjb: hippy |
| 16:20.05 | ewon | Uatec: what it says on the tin? |
| 16:20.13 | cjb | heh |
| 16:20.23 | cjb | Uatec: only useful for firmware developers. |
| 16:20.27 | andylockran | thanks alot for that :) |
| 16:20.30 | Uatec | ahh |
| 16:20.31 | ewanm89_laptop | SiO2: I wondered whether I'm the youngest working on openmoko? |
| 16:20.36 | Uatec | lol, thanks aloril |
| 16:20.51 | Uatec | i wanna get one of these things, but i don't think that the debug board would be what i want |
| 16:21.27 | ewanm89_laptop | Uatec: Most likely not. |
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| 16:22.13 | Uatec | could i write apps on my PC and debug them using gdb on my PC? |
| 16:22.19 | cjb | yes |
| 16:22.23 | Uatec | and could i debug them remotely on the device itself? |
| 16:22.31 | SiO2 | ewanm89_laptop, why not. anyone has to be the youngest. but maybe in #openmokoe-devel is someone younger ;) |
| 16:22.36 | Uatec | i'm trying to build up a case to tell to my boss so he will get meo ne |
| 16:22.36 | ewanm89_laptop | Uatec: You can put gdb on the device. |
| 16:22.42 | cjb | Uatec: yes |
| 16:22.52 | Uatec | even though we're a microsoft developer :/ |
| 16:23.05 | SpeedEvil | Uatec: practically, you can do most of the development on any unix desktop. |
| 16:23.24 | Uatec | interesting |
| 16:23.26 | Uatec | interesting indeed |
| 16:23.36 | ewanm89_laptop | SiO2: Yeah, about time I added openmoko-devel to my autoconnect list. |
| 16:23.46 | SpeedEvil | Uatec: it's pretty much X + GTK |
| 16:24.11 | Uatec | and it is actually a phone, right? |
| 16:24.30 | Vegar | yes, you can make calls with it |
| 16:24.39 | andylockran | yeah, but don't try putting your face to the screen... |
| 16:25.00 | Uatec | lol, good |
| 16:25.06 | ewanm89_laptop | and it requires some development, a bit buggy in places. |
| 16:25.09 | Uatec | why not? |
| 16:25.14 | Uatec | pff, i'm developer, i'll live with that |
| 16:28.44 | Uatec | that's why it's in development phase, eh? |
| 16:28.44 | ferric | you can't do anything with the UI |
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| 16:28.45 | SiO2 | use anyone openmokomakefile? i hav this problem http://nopaste.info/1eff3d2d6f.html |
| 16:28.45 | Uatec | What? why not? |
| 16:28.45 | untwisted | hmmm |
| 16:28.45 | ferric | Uatec: because the UI is very raw |
| 16:28.45 | SiO2 | +e |
| 16:28.45 | ferric | Uatec: read the faq |
| 16:28.46 | buz | dooh i dont have no 15G free on my laptop |
| 16:28.46 | ewanm89_laptop | SiO2: you need to create a simlink of include/asm/page.h from linux source to /usr/include/asm/page.h |
| 16:28.46 | untwisted | buz, get rid of all the pron, I had that problem too |
| 16:28.46 | SiO2 | ewanm89_laptop, thx i'll try it |
| 16:28.46 | buz | no pr0n on the drive |
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| 16:29.05 | buz | mostly it's just the drive being too small |
| 16:29.07 | ewanm89_laptop | SiO2: You do have the linux source installed? |
| 16:29.08 | buz | 60G |
| 16:29.19 | SiO2 | ewanm89_laptop, yse, of course ;) |
| 16:29.37 | ewanm89_laptop | SiO2: What distro? |
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| 16:30.23 | SiO2 | ewanm89_laptop, gentoo ;) |
| 16:30.38 | ewanm89_laptop | SiO2: Then you definatly o ;) |
| 16:30.44 | ewanm89_laptop | s/o/do/ |
| 16:30.56 | ewanm89_laptop | oops |
| 16:31.01 | SiO2 | :) |
| 16:31.22 | ewanm89_laptop | SiO2: So what kernel is it? |
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| 16:32.46 | SiO2 | 2.6.21.6 |
| 16:33.08 | ewanm89_laptop | gentoo-sources, vanilla? |
| 16:33.15 | SpeedEvil | kristian-m: can you stick a md5sum on the wiki? |
| 16:33.16 | SiO2 | vanilla |
| 16:33.21 | ewanm89_laptop | 2.6.22.1 vanilla here |
| 16:34.54 | Uatec | hmm, the GTA02 |
| 16:35.26 | ewon | is the Red Army due to be a big customer? |
| 16:36.06 | cosmin | what's a glonass? |
| 16:36.08 | cjb_ie | ewon: better GPS coverage overall. hybrid receivers can use both at once for improved accuracy. |
| 16:36.54 | ferric | Uatec: yes |
| 16:37.41 | ferric | Uatec: unless you're going to write low-level code or enhance the UI |
| 16:37.42 | cjb_ie | also i think glonass has higher declination? the US system orbits at 55 degrees to the equatorial plane, so once you go past there, all the satellites are always south of you, which makes for crappy positioning. especially if you're driving north and your GPS is on the dashboard. |
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| 16:37.42 | SiO2 | ewanm89_laptop, thnx it works (when it doesn't break later ;) ) |
| 16:37.58 | SiO2 | has anyone the openmoko runs on an htc? |
| 16:38.09 | cjb_ie | ewon: this is what you learn by talking to swedes at mapping conferences :-) |
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| 16:38.39 | ewanm89_laptop | SiO2: It will be better when the perl devs fix such an odd dependancy, most distros have a patch for it. |
| 16:39.42 | Uatec | hmm |
| 16:39.44 | Uatec | but i want one now |
| 16:40.54 | ewon | cjb_ie: yes, but that's all pointless when half the world cannot see any GLONASS signals, as the russians have repositioned the whole thing to work better around Chechnya |
| 16:41.10 | cjb_ie | ewon: ah, i'd missed that bit. |
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| 16:41.41 | Uatec | oh, that's a shame, it's only usb 1.1 and gprs, no 3g |
| 16:42.01 | ewon | also, are there any receiver-on-a-chip like the hammerhead / sirf et al that go do GLONASS as well as GPS |
| 16:42.09 | ckuethe | yes |
| 16:42.15 | ewon | ah, not so bad so |
| 16:42.16 | ckuethe | Javad JNScore |
| 16:42.20 | ckuethe | but very expensive |
| 16:42.34 | unknown_lamer | does anyone know if there a dbus conformance test suite anywhere? |
| 16:42.38 | ckuethe | GLONASS is FDMA ... uses 12 different frequencies |
| 16:42.48 | ckuethe | more complicated rf section |
| 16:42.49 | unknown_lamer | I'm doing an independent implementation in CL and it would be a *bit* helpful |
| 16:42.53 | SpeedEvil | ewon: AIUI - yes |
| 16:43.41 | SpeedEvil | ewon: Or rather - single chip RF sections. |
| 16:45.04 | SpeedEvil | GLONASS + GPS would mean more satellites. |
| 16:45.04 | SpeedEvil | More satellites in view means better performance when there is limited view. |
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| 16:45.48 | sannes | Do you get any receipt after answering YES_I_DO ? |
| 16:45.57 | ckuethe | NO_YOU_DONT |
| 16:46.05 | jadams | heh |
| 16:46.05 | ewon | heh |
| 16:46.05 | sannes | thanks :) |
| 16:46.45 | ckuethe | but supposedly you get an error if you do it wrong. |
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| 16:48.11 | sannes | ah, nice, sort of, heh |
| 16:48.47 | ckuethe | WRT glonass, .ru has apparently committed to bringing the constellation fully operational by the end of 2008 (iirc) |
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| 16:49.54 | SpeedEvil | AZnd they've been actually launching new satellites recently. |
| 16:50.04 | SpeedEvil | And IIRC made available the more precise code to users |
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| 16:54.45 | Uatec | ckuethe, which constellation? |
| 16:57.45 | SpeedEvil | The constellation of GLONASS satellites |
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| 16:58.22 | ar1 | gps :) |
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| 17:14.20 | calamous | Has anyone received the P1 device yet? |
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| 17:14.46 | Markinoko | calamous: they say steve jobs did... ;-) |
| 17:14.51 | phrozen77_ | lol |
| 17:14.54 | calamous | lol |
| 17:15.50 | calamous | Markinoko: I wonder if thats true what hes planning to rip off? (hopefully the ideology of free software) |
| 17:17.00 | Markinoko | calamous: well, he already ripped off part of the ideas in seans presentation of the openmoko project... |
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| 17:18.03 | calamous | Markinoko: Wow, figures |
| 17:19.07 | Markinoko | I guess he must have skipped the part about GPS though. huhuhu :-D |
| 17:19.38 | calamous | Markinoko: Whats worse is he doesn't give attribution to it. (i.e. You know how on macs when you do admin work you need the password again, like sudo, my friend said apple claimed to invent that system dispite the fact that sudo has been around for years) |
| 17:19.41 | unknown_lamer | I love my one friend. He got an iPhone and is like whee they're almost done cracking it so you can code on it |
| 17:19.54 | unknown_lamer | The fact that he gave $600 to a company that *doesn't want him to do that* was lost upon him |
| 17:20.03 | unknown_lamer | I'm waiting for the first OTA upgrade that breaks the cracks |
| 17:20.09 | calamous | Markinoko: Yeah, a GPS would have been a good thing to include |
| 17:20.29 | calamous | unknown_lamer: wow. thats cool. BTW is there java on the iPhone? |
| 17:20.40 | unknown_lamer | calamous: no idea because I'm refusing to even look at one |
| 17:20.41 | Markinoko | calamous: well, who cares... we have it |
| 17:20.49 | calamous | yeah :) |
| 17:20.49 | unknown_lamer | I am a free software nut, and apple is a good enemy now |
| 17:20.53 | unknown_lamer | they shall be exterminated |
| 17:20.57 | calamous | I agree |
| 17:21.08 | unknown_lamer | they cover up their evil with pretty user interfaces |
| 17:21.11 | Markinoko | I can get sume nukes on the black market |
| 17:21.36 | unknown_lamer | I'm using ideas partially taken from hypercard and the newton to overthrow them |
| 17:21.54 | calamous | unknown_lamer: free software is important. I have RMS's book "Free software, Free Society" and its really well-written powerful stuff |
| 17:22.01 | unknown_lamer | Jobs killed all of the neat projects at Apple when he returned :-( |
| 17:22.07 | unknown_lamer | Poor Dylan hackers all getting canned |
| 17:22.32 | unknown_lamer | calamous: aye, RMS is very logical and has a good ethic. It is really depressing to see how people demonize him every day |
| 17:22.53 | unknown_lamer | calamous: even stuff like GNU/Linux. He has a *very* valid point! Notice how there is now a Debian GNU/kFreeBSD |
| 17:23.03 | calamous | unknown_lamer: exactly. I call it GNU/Linux too |
| 17:23.08 | unknown_lamer | I just call it GNU |
| 17:23.13 | unknown_lamer | the kernel doesn't matter much to me |
| 17:23.20 | calamous | he has a point that if people call it "linux" people will forget about the philophy behind it |
| 17:23.25 | unknown_lamer | and they have |
| 17:23.26 | Markinoko | unknown_lamer: there will always be a big flame war going on between libre and open |
| 17:23.33 | andylockran | yeah |
| 17:23.40 | calamous | and Gratis |
| 17:23.45 | Markinoko | unknown_lamer: this is precisely why I don't discuss this anymore... |
| 17:23.46 | calamous | people confuse free software with $0 cost |
| 17:23.47 | unknown_lamer | Markinoko: until the open people drive themselves in the ground like the ai lab hackers who ditched for symbolics did |
| 17:24.10 | unknown_lamer | a wolf like apple will eat their children |
| 17:24.31 | Markinoko | calamous: agreed. the price in my opinion is not the issue |
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| 17:24.39 | unknown_lamer | calamous: yeah, I only write free software and I make enough to live from it :-) |
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| 17:29.57 | untwisted | Hey, anyone here propose a project for gForge? |
| 17:30.25 | Markinoko | untwisted: I'll have one as soon as I get my emulation working |
| 17:31.04 | untwisted | Markinoko: Did you actually make a proposal on the site, and how long did it take for the project to get accepted / rejected? |
| 17:31.37 | calamous | I agree totally. I would pay more money to have libre software than freeware |
| 17:31.37 | calamous | But unfortuately its going in the other directory. You can get commercial "linuxes" for $30, $50, $100 dollars that are the oppisite, they are loaded with non-free software |
| 17:31.37 | calamous | Like the patent deal between novell and microsoft so novell can "include" stuff in suse that microsoft says they own |
| 17:31.42 | calamous | One of my friends tried suse and said it looked pretty, but I said it was garbage and possibly the worst GNU/Linux out there |
| 17:31.49 | Markinoko | untwisted: hum, no proposal yet. Still working on the idea |
| 17:31.51 | calamous | But, I can not talk like a saint because my kernel is tainted. I do use the proprietary nVidia drivers :( |
| 17:31.55 | calamous | Where are you guys from? |
| 17:32.03 | Markinoko | france |
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| 17:32.59 | untwisted | US :| |
| 17:34.06 | Markinoko | untwisted: although the concept is here. I just need to check how feasible it is on the openmoko platform |
| 17:34.20 | untwisted | Markinoko: Whats the plan? |
| 17:34.41 | Markinoko | untwisted: a framework to build simple OSC controlers |
| 17:34.58 | untwisted | Markinoko: OSC? Sorry, not familiar |
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| 17:36.08 | Markinoko | untwisted: sorry :-) Open Sound Control. a protocol to drive audio apps over the network. |
| 17:36.14 | woglinde | re |
| 17:36.21 | woglinde | sorry untwisted |
| 17:36.21 | untwisted | Markinoko: Oooh, very cool |
| 17:36.28 | woglinde | I had have to go |
| 17:36.35 | Markinoko | untwisted: I'm originally more a member of the linux audio community. openmoko is new to me |
| 17:36.42 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_Wiki_Editing_Guidelines]] [[Building_a_hello_world_application]] [[Hammerhead/Protocol]] [[Gpsd]] [[Main_Page/fr]] [[Wish_List]] [[Talk:Test_Openmoko_Emulation_with_chroot_image]] [[Main_Page]] [[UI_Improvements]] [[Test_Openmoko_Emulation_with_chroot_image]] and other changes |
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| 17:37.09 | zipola | Markinoko, which audio apps do you use? |
| 17:37.31 | Markinoko | zipola: quite a few ;-) |
| 17:37.46 | untwisted | Markinoko: Thats very cool. Good luck with it :) I'm not much of a member of the community unfortunately. My contributions are limited, though I, and the group I started are responsible for a LOT of people converting from Windows to Linux at the University of Pittsburgh. |
| 17:38.02 | Markinoko | zipola: the most common being ardour, linuxsampler, a huge collection of LADSPA and LV2 plugins |
| 17:38.10 | untwisted | I'm looking to get more involved with the Openmoko :) |
| 17:38.15 | Markinoko | and stuff like ingen |
| 17:38.19 | Markinoko | and JACK |
| 17:39.42 | unknown_lamer | jack runs on arm |
| 17:39.56 | unknown_lamer | I was planning on using the new jack-midi stuff so I could control my synths on the computer with the phone |
| 17:40.40 | Markinoko | unknown_lamer: well that's one way to do it. The best would be to have my frame work also able to send midi events |
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| 17:41.08 | unknown_lamer | Markinoko: that works too |
| 17:41.21 | unknown_lamer | Markinoko: I need to get some midi routing stuff up so I can control my keyboard from the computer |
| 17:41.27 | Markinoko | unknown_lamer: both are interesting, depends on what you want to control. although, midi over wifi needs a bit of coding |
| 17:41.43 | unknown_lamer | Markinoko: (I have a funky old keyboard my roommate freecycled and abandoned here that I use as my midi master since I can slave 16 devices to it and do fancy routing) |
| 17:42.27 | Markinoko | unknown_lamer: that's nice. |
| 17:43.11 | unknown_lamer | it's just a mid90s keyboard that cna only load pcm samples in some proprietary format I have yet to fully reverse engineer |
| 17:43.51 | Markinoko | unknown_lamer: why don't you use a software sampler ? |
| 17:43.55 | unknown_lamer | with no on board synth controls (it has on board synth, just not controllable, argh). So computer it is, but it is very annoying to have to reach over to my desktop to control synths |
| 17:44.14 | unknown_lamer | Markinoko: that's what I do now :-) The keyboard works nicely as a midi master and hooks into my workstation |
| 17:44.26 | unknown_lamer | Markinoko: with the drum machine setup to do MTC master then everything sort of works |
| 17:44.34 | Markinoko | :-) |
| 17:44.42 | unknown_lamer | Markinoko: I haven't gotten any further (just got it all to work, and now I have to move so the keyboard and such are in boxes until august) |
| 17:45.44 | Markinoko | I'm surprised to find linux audio users here. We're having trouble "counting" our community. |
| 17:46.06 | unknown_lamer | I've been using ardour and such since wayyyyyy back when |
| 17:46.22 | unknown_lamer | gather round children and I shall tell ye of a dark time before alsa existed |
| 17:46.34 | unknown_lamer | real time! ha ha! maybe if you were only running your audio editor |
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| 17:48.34 | unknown_lamer | Markinoko: I'm pondering ripping out the glame filternetwork code and making it standalone |
| 17:48.38 | unknown_lamer | Markinoko: and porting it to jack |
| 17:51.43 | Markinoko | unknown_lamer: actually I'm discovering this application. Sort of a mix between ingen and a sound editor. Interesting. Though if they lack jack support, they're definetly missing something... |
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| 17:53.03 | unknown_lamer | Markinoko: glame is ancient (predates alsa even) |
| 17:53.08 | woglinde | ah nice preempt realtime patch |
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| 17:54.02 | Markinoko | unknown_lamer: OSS ? |
| 17:54.09 | unknown_lamer | Markinoko: it does alsa and whatnot now |
| 17:54.10 | unknown_lamer | Markinoko: it |
| 17:54.14 | unknown_lamer | 's just in pure maintenance mode |
| 17:54.23 | unknown_lamer | people report bugs and they are fixed but otherwise it is very dead |
| 17:54.45 | ckuethe | my goof. GLONASS replenishment and completion before the end of 2009 |
| 17:56.13 | ckuethe | or so say the 3 chief designers... |
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| 17:57.32 | Jason1 | Hey Guys. Been away for a couple days. Any news on shipping? Is it going to hapen today? |
| 17:58.20 | CM | Jason1: Haven't heard anything about it yet |
| 17:58.40 | Jason1 | cm: :9 |
| 17:58.56 | CM | I'm not complaining, just know that Sean is a huge optimist :D |
| 17:59.02 | almien | will they have usable gui? |
| 17:59.10 | Jason1 | Thats unfortunate. I was hoping to have a tracking # in my email today. No such luck (yet) |
| 17:59.41 | woglinde | hi CM |
| 18:00.50 | CM | woglinde: Hello. How's it going with the java? |
| 18:01.22 | woglinde | cm I talked with twisti today |
| 18:01.32 | woglinde | the one cacao file is only arch spezific |
| 18:01.53 | woglinde | so it is not so hard |
| 18:02.05 | woglinde | but I write a term wednsday |
| 18:02.22 | ckuethe | at this point i'd call GLONASS irrelevant to the needs of a geo-aware cellphone. lack of hardware, expense, incomplete constellation... it makes sense for the survey user, but not for a phone |
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| 18:02.33 | ckuethe | or it's not a big enough win yet |
| 18:03.11 | woglinde | CM I have .bb for classpath-minimal-native classpath-minimal and cacaoh-native |
| 18:03.26 | woglinde | CM and started cacao |
| 18:13.00 | CM | woglinde: Cool (Sorry, cousin called and disturbed :P) |
| 18:13.23 | woglinde | CM hehe no prob |
| 18:13.24 | CM | woglinde: And good luck on the test :) |
| 18:13.35 | woglinde | hm its mobil communication |
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| 18:13.48 | woglinde | so its about wave wifi bt gsm cdam |
| 18:13.52 | woglinde | cdma |
| 18:13.56 | woglinde | wap |
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| 18:13.59 | woglinde | mobil tcp |
| 18:14.01 | woglinde | and stuff |
| 18:14.02 | woglinde | hehe |
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| 18:14.27 | CM | Nice, I have had a course like that too |
| 18:14.52 | woglinde | yeah but I didnt learn to much till now |
| 18:14.57 | woglinde | for the test |
| 18:15.19 | CM | It's cool, I think. How the ortoghonal channels work and so on |
| 18:15.44 | woglinde | hm |
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| 18:35.20 | SpeedEvil | On GLONASS - if there was hardware that was as simple and cheap as HH - it's a pure win. |
| 18:35.43 | SpeedEvil | Maybe a moderately significant one in some conditions, same (eventually) with gallileo. |
| 18:37.06 | SpeedEvil | When AGPS works - it's interesting to note that if the USA reintroduced selective availability, it wouldn't significantly effect accuracy of users positions. |
| 18:37.24 | xkr47 | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/touch-me/linux-mpx-multi+touch-table-may-become-free-diy-microsoft-surface-one-day-278613.php |
| 18:38.39 | SpeedEvil | I want a decent window. Several megapixel 8'*4' display with focus at infinity. |
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| 18:44.01 | LetoTo | woah. openmoko.com server gives me 5.3Mbyte/sec download :) |
| 18:44.15 | SpeedEvil | Downloading what? |
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| 18:51.01 | Markinoko | SpeedEvil: don't you know ? they're shipping the phones over the internet. a lot faster than sending them by air mail ! hurry, go get one ;-) |
| 18:52.56 | LetoTo | SpeedEvil: oh, some hires photos for a paper article |
| 18:53.10 | SpeedEvil | The chroot image. |
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| 19:06.54 | kristian-m | SpeedEvil checksum - done |
| 19:07.28 | kristian-m | ewanm89_laptop could you add that to the wikipage? |
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| 19:10.18 | ewanm89_laptop | kristian-m: What was it I said? It was a while ago. |
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| 19:19.45 | daMaestro | counter? |
| 19:19.45 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-14 16:40) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 65% in 20:20:07 (0.847±0.8 days) (1748;248) |
| 19:20.12 | daMaestro | so, are we seeing them ship today? |
| 19:20.14 | kristian-m | ewanm89_laptop you've meant that you are working on support for users in the emulation environment... |
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| 19:20.43 | ewanm89_laptop | kristian-m: I'm working on patches to give user support anywhere. |
| 19:20.47 | kristian-m | ewanm89_laptop when I tryed it the images wouldn't load - so I changed the description of the chroot-image to run it as root |
| 19:20.49 | unknown_lamer | daMaestro: if they made it to california |
| 19:21.05 | kristian-m | ewanm89_laptop ah okay, great |
| 19:21.33 | daMaestro | lamer, so.. the word is they have not? |
| 19:21.36 | ewanm89_laptop | kristian-m: Inside openmoko, mine is running as a user. |
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| 19:23.19 | daMaestro | unknown_lamer, * |
| 19:23.33 | unknown_lamer | daMaestro: no word at all |
| 19:23.43 | daMaestro | ok |
| 19:24.01 | daMaestro | i've actually heard some feedback on the iPhone from a group of girls i know |
| 19:24.32 | summatusmentis | and? |
| 19:24.34 | daMaestro | and these are not exactly the brightest candles in the box (the hot valley girl kinda girls) and they think it is a rip off |
| 19:24.42 | daMaestro | i was dumbfounded |
| 19:24.48 | summatusmentis | they think the iPhone is a ripoff? |
| 19:24.49 | ar1 | ;) |
| 19:24.53 | kristian-m | ewanm89_laptop yes in the emulated environment, when I start qemu as a user - but maybe i've still got another problem here, as I was building everything on an other machine |
| 19:24.56 | daMaestro | very much so |
| 19:25.00 | summatusmentis | daMaestro: care to introduce me? |
| 19:25.03 | summatusmentis | :-P |
| 19:25.22 | SpeedEvil | It's them we want to get to. |
| 19:25.29 | SpeedEvil | (no, not for that reason) |
| 19:25.31 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, lol |
| 19:25.52 | SpeedEvil | They need to think it's fun and they can do lots of stuff with it. |
| 19:26.01 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, well, these are the kind of girls that spent $500 on a pair of jeans |
| 19:26.05 | SpeedEvil | On the other hand, camera is pretty much mandatory for that market segment. |
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| 19:26.13 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, so when they think the iphone is a rip... |
| 19:26.19 | pitux22 | hi!!!! |
| 19:26.23 | SpeedEvil | For some girls, $500 on a pair of jeans is a worthwhile investment asthetically. |
| 19:26.47 | ar1 | ;) |
| 19:27.02 | summatusmentis | hrm.... |
| 19:27.04 | ar1 | some times my dream is: britney |
| 19:27.12 | woglinde | ar1? |
| 19:27.12 | summatusmentis | why do I not know any girls like this? |
| 19:27.26 | zipola | You hang out only with poor people? |
| 19:27.29 | woglinde | britney is mentally ill |
| 19:27.38 | ar1 | hehehehe |
| 19:27.43 | summatusmentis | zipola: lol, that must be it |
| 19:28.01 | SpeedEvil | Feng Shui apps, ... |
| 19:28.08 | woglinde | lol |
| 19:28.15 | SpeedEvil | Diet calculators. |
| 19:28.23 | calamous | How can anyone justify $500 on jeans, you could get an openmoko for that. lol |
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| 19:29.02 | summatusmentis | calamous: at this point, those girls wouldn't know what openmoko was, how to use it, or care enough to learn |
| 19:29.13 | unknown_lamer | I still can |
| 19:29.14 | summatusmentis | which is probably the real reason I don't know girls like that :-D |
| 19:29.28 | unknown_lamer | 't get it through to my iPhone using friend that giving apple $600 so they can prevent me from hacking on the device is a bad idea |
| 19:29.36 | unknown_lamer | he's just ... "it's almost cracked!" |
| 19:29.39 | unknown_lamer | until the first ota update |
| 19:29.46 | calamous | summatusmentis: true, very true |
| 19:30.39 | ar1 | lol |
| 19:32.25 | calamous | So has anyone got the email saying that their order is ready to ship? |
| 19:32.35 | daMaestro | unknown_lamer, i know people from t-mobile that are basically "counting on" someone unlocking the phone |
| 19:32.41 | daMaestro | they are fairly confident it can be done |
| 19:32.53 | daMaestro | i tried to explain to them that there are iphone only features on the att network |
| 19:32.56 | SpeedEvil | calamous: nobody has gotten tehir card charged even as I understand it. |
| 19:33.20 | ewanm89_laptop | daMaestro: And we give them a better cheaper unlocked phone. |
| 19:33.23 | calamous | SpeedEvil: Thanks for the clarification. |
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| 19:34.01 | calamous | SpeedEvil: I guess I should just keep looking at the credit card's website to monitor pending charges. lol |
| 19:34.30 | unknown_lamer | daMaestro: unlocking is not quite the same as cracking it |
| 19:34.31 | daMaestro | yes, i have not been charged, yet |
| 19:35.00 | unknown_lamer | daMaestro: I'm betting that Apple will release an update once people can build apps for it that prevents iTunes access or some such until you upgrade and lock yourself out |
| 19:35.18 | unknown_lamer | daMaestro: or that it'll turn out you need a signing key from apple to even run anything (ala series60 v3) |
| 19:35.40 | daMaestro | i actually hope they do that |
| 19:35.47 | unknown_lamer | daMaestro: I am mostly perplexed that he sees the effort required to get openmoko working as being the same as the effort needed to keep cracking around Apple |
| 19:36.00 | calamous | daMaestro: Require apps to be signed before then can be run on the iPhone? |
| 19:36.14 | unknown_lamer | it's like uh ... openmoko -> productive effort verses apple -> repetetive bullshit effort resulting in a permanently antagonistic relationship |
| 19:36.14 | daMaestro | i really, really hope that apple is just a total whore about the iPhone; it will do nothing but help FOSS in the mobile marketplace |
| 19:36.41 | unknown_lamer | the thing is he is ignoring my experience with series60 |
| 19:36.46 | daMaestro | calamous, do anything to lock their customers in... and developers out |
| 19:36.49 | untwisted | afternoon friends |
| 19:36.50 | unknown_lamer | I was lured in my promises of programmability only to have them smashed to the ground |
| 19:36.53 | pitux22 | I have a question: is the neo1973 able to play videos? |
| 19:36.53 | aloril | pitux22: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (and also SH1_FAQ, Neo1973, Developer_preview and Neo1973_Hardware#GTA01Bv4 pages) (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:37.00 | woglinde | re unwisted |
| 19:37.15 | untwisted | how is everyone? |
| 19:37.35 | woglinde | fine |
| 19:37.40 | woglinde | sun is gone |
| 19:37.42 | woglinde | beer too |
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| 19:37.56 | calamous | daMaestro: I'm afraid that people will accept the "locks" as thats just the way it in and go along with apple no matter what. |
| 19:37.59 | pitux22 | I have a question: is the neo1973 able to play videos? |
| 19:38.02 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hardware_Developer/zh_cn]] [[Hardware_Developer/es]] [[Hardware_Developer]] [[Hardware_Developer/it]] [[Category:Neo1973_Hardware_Debugging/it]] [[Neo1973_Power_button/it]] [[Neo1973_AUX_button/it]] [[Summer_of_code/fr]] [[Neo1973/ru]] and other changes |
| 19:38.09 | SpeedEvil | pitux22: look at video player on the wiki |
| 19:38.20 | pitux22 | thx |
| 19:38.23 | SpeedEvil | pitux22: basically yes - for specially encoded or small videos. |
| 19:38.28 | daMaestro | calamous, well those people would not be of value in the needed development community |
| 19:38.33 | SpeedEvil | You won't be playing h.264 on it. |
| 19:38.42 | daMaestro | to make open moko what it possibly could turn into |
| 19:39.03 | dtx | But on the Public Release one you can play MPEG4 in hardware |
| 19:39.06 | SpeedEvil | Are there extensions anywhere to qemu to make it accurately timed - even if it slows it down by a factor of many? |
| 19:39.43 | calamous | daMaestro: That is true. but each time people accept these bad things companies do and continue to give them money, they have further money to keep doing the same shit. What you need is consumers demanding open products and no BS |
| 19:40.02 | tuukkah | for the screen rotation part, are we going to have xrandr? |
| 19:40.25 | dtx | tuukkah: I'm sure, since this is in OpenEmbedded |
| 19:40.42 | SpeedEvil | tuukkah: probably. |
| 19:40.51 | Markinoko | tuukkah: it would be foolish to have xorg 7 and use something else |
| 19:40.55 | Markinoko | ;-) |
| 19:41.07 | dtx | tuukkah: I concur with everyone else |
| 19:41.12 | SpeedEvil | Howver - for videos encoded for the device this may be the wrong s0olution. |
| 19:41.14 | tuukkah | cool :-) |
| 19:41.18 | SpeedEvil | pre-rotated video may be better. |
| 19:41.36 | tuukkah | why's that? |
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| 19:41.51 | unknown_lamer | calamous: aye which is why I don't buy hardware |
| 19:42.00 | pitux22 | are you sure, neo1973 able to play video??? oO |
| 19:42.11 | unknown_lamer | calamous: amd because of their ownership of ati is boycotted (except for used hardware) and so is nvidia |
| 19:42.23 | unknown_lamer | calamous: I'm just *really* glad that the pro audio manufacturers aren't huge asses like the graphics people are |
| 19:42.35 | SpeedEvil | tukk: because the operation to rotate the displayed image is yet another operation that the CPU has to do. |
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| 19:43.00 | Markinoko | unknown_lamer: well, audio is a different matter. no Gam3zz involved... |
| 19:43.08 | ar1 | pitux22: yes, is capable to play videos |
| 19:43.32 | calamous | unknown_lamer: yes yes. I wish the "average" consumer would be aware and cared as passionately about openness and free software |
| 19:43.33 | unknown_lamer | Markinoko: I just want a faster card than an r200 :-( |
| 19:43.39 | pitux22 | ar1 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player the are some problems no? |
| 19:43.49 | tuukkah | SpeedEvil, i would have expected the driver-level xrandr to be able to do the rotate for free when it pokes the framebuffer |
| 19:43.51 | unknown_lamer | calamous: even the non consumers have this issue (e.g. my friend who got me into gnu/linux!) |
| 19:43.52 | SpeedEvil | The problems are addressable. |
| 19:43.58 | unknown_lamer | back when we were fourteen many a year ago |
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| 19:44.19 | Markinoko | unknown_lamer: yeah... |
| 19:44.20 | SpeedEvil | tuukkah: there is no driver hardware, it's a dumb framebuffer. |
| 19:44.24 | ar1 | pitux22: yes, exists some problems |
| 19:44.36 | calamous | unknown_lamer: yes |
| 19:44.37 | unknown_lamer | Markinoko: open source is one of the problems; it urges cooperation with uncooperative people :-\ |
| 19:44.42 | pitux22 | ar1 so? |
| 19:44.49 | unknown_lamer | give the proprietary folks all of your code and ask for nothing in return |
| 19:45.03 | unknown_lamer | the wolves will share and not eat you |
| 19:45.06 | unknown_lamer | trust us! |
| 19:45.12 | hozer | hrrm.. did anyone else get 'Permission denied' when the replied to the 'YES_I_DO' question ? |
| 19:45.23 | calamous | hozer: do you forward your email |
| 19:45.37 | hozer | ooooooooooohhh |
| 19:45.42 | tuukkah | SpeedEvil, but you don't need hardware to have if(rotate) putPixel(y,x); else putPixel(x,y); |
| 19:45.43 | calamous | hozer: You must send it from your mail on file |
| 19:45.46 | hozer | set the 'reply-to ?' |
| 19:45.51 | hozer | for 'from' ? |
| 19:46.16 | unknown_lamer | tuukkah: that introduces an extra instruction + branch ... |
| 19:46.18 | calamous | hozer: Yes, just make sure the "from" is the same as the "to" when openmoko send it to you |
| 19:46.28 | SpeedEvil | tuukkah: no - but you need to compute the address of (position,position) which may be faster in (x,y) than (y,x) |
| 19:46.32 | unknown_lamer | tuukkah: then you end up with weird cache issues and the arm slows down considerably |
| 19:46.40 | SpeedEvil | Also - there are cache issues |
| 19:47.03 | unknown_lamer | tuukkah: and when you need the cmp + branch on *every* graphics op |
| 19:47.08 | tuukkah | unknown_lamer, sure it can be optimized by having separate code paths chosen when xrandr is run |
| 19:47.26 | unknown_lamer | you're looking at 640 * 480 * 30 extra instructions minimum |
| 19:47.27 | unknown_lamer | per second |
| 19:47.55 | ar1 | pitux22: no problem, on gta02 the problem do not exists |
| 19:48.02 | pitux22 | good :) |
| 19:48.40 | SpeedEvil | tuukkah: you will _screw_ the bus bandwidth though - writing 0,1 0,2 0,3 ... 0,480 is _much_ less expensive than writing 0,0 1,0 2,0 |
| 19:48.44 | dtx | I don't understand you either increment by 1 or you increment by the stride width of 1 row I don't really think there would be a huge performance penalty for a 90 degree rotation |
| 19:48.44 | ar1 | gta02 has a graphics proccesor |
| 19:49.00 | tuukkah | SpeedEvil, right |
| 19:49.01 | SpeedEvil | Because the first case is well-cached. |
| 19:49.04 | SpeedEvil | The second isn't. |
| 19:49.09 | tuukkah | so we wont' have xrandr? |
| 19:49.10 | SpeedEvil | It's pessimised in fact. |
| 19:49.19 | hozer | will the graphics proccessor be able to do any GL stuff? |
| 19:49.22 | SpeedEvil | Will have xrandr, but you don't want to use it with video. |
| 19:49.26 | SpeedEvil | hozer: it's NDAd. |
| 19:49.35 | pitux22 | what is NDAd? |
| 19:49.37 | SpeedEvil | hozer: any driver has to be developed internally to FIC |
| 19:49.49 | SpeedEvil | pitux22: Non Disclosure Agreement |
| 19:49.56 | SpeedEvil | Tehy give the datasheet to FIC, who can't share it. |
| 19:50.01 | unknown_lamer | NDA sucks but as long as they can release drivers ... |
| 19:50.06 | hozer | subcontract it to TimRiker so he can make bzflag work ;) |
| 19:50.08 | tuukkah | so here we had some talk about ati and nvidia... |
| 19:50.09 | unknown_lamer | if the drivers are written well we have docs |
| 19:50.12 | pitux22 | but the graphical processeur support 3D? |
| 19:50.32 | SpeedEvil | They can release drivers - but they are constrained by the amount of time they have. So the drivers may not implement everything. |
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| 19:50.43 | SpeedEvil | And we can't implement the rest as we have no docs. |
| 19:50.48 | Markinoko | even if ther's an NDA, some companies allow open drivers to be developped |
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| 19:51.08 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 19:51.15 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 19:51.21 | SpeedEvil | That's not the problem. |
| 19:51.21 | TimRiker | wha? huh? |
| 19:51.27 | SpeedEvil | Aloowing the driver isn't the issue. |
| 19:51.36 | SpeedEvil | The fact that we have _no_ data on the chip is the issue. |
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| 19:51.50 | hozer | but, FIC has data, right? |
| 19:51.58 | SpeedEvil | Yes, which they can't share. |
| 19:52.10 | SpeedEvil | That's the point of a non-disclosure agreement. |
| 19:52.15 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 19:52.32 | hozer | but the can subcontract development to anyone else who would sign (and understand) the NDA |
| 19:52.40 | TimRiker | I want one of those full-disclosure non-disclosure agreements. |
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| 19:53.06 | SpeedEvil | hozer: subcontract may require actual formal employment, depending on how the agreement is worded. |
| 19:53.40 | SpeedEvil | And some do in fact have a list of companies or parts thereof that may have access. |
| 19:53.47 | hozer | true |
| 19:53.52 | SpeedEvil | And exclude subcontractors. |
| 19:54.06 | hozer | so who do I ask at FIC about getting an NDA :P |
| 19:54.17 | SpeedEvil | Give it several weeks. |
| 19:54.22 | tuukkah | SpeedEvil, very good point about the bus bandwidth. i suppose it actually means rotation can't be cheap to implement in hardware either. it could be done on rectangle blitting level though |
| 19:54.27 | SpeedEvil | Everybody is buried at the moment. |
| 19:54.40 | hozer | always waiting, jeez ;) |
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| 19:55.38 | calamous | SpeedEvil, is the issue when rotating the display 90 is that the access to the screen won't be contigous so it will be difficult to cache? |
| 19:55.58 | SpeedEvil | That's part of it. |
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| 19:56.16 | SpeedEvil | If you access external memory, it drags in a cacheline of memory at a time. |
| 19:56.26 | SpeedEvil | Typically. |
| 19:56.29 | calamous | Right and it wont be revelant |
| 19:56.45 | calamous | because it likes to get spacial locality |
| 19:58.10 | ScaredyCat | can we assume that they're not shipping today? |
| 19:58.24 | ScaredyCat | are we actually likely to get any infor at all? |
| 19:58.28 | SpeedEvil | Given that they have not reportedly charged anyones cards, ... |
| 19:58.36 | SpeedEvil | (has your card been charged?) |
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| 19:59.18 | calamous | On this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=P1_Owners we should update ourselves when our CCs get charged |
| 19:59.23 | ScaredyCat | no, not that I'm aware of |
| 19:59.32 | calamous | that way we can know the relative timeline of events |
| 19:59.44 | SpeedEvil | Indeed calamous. |
| 20:00.08 | tuukkah | it's 1pm at west coast so there's still some time... |
| 20:00.42 | calamous | Do we even know if the phones have left customs? |
| 20:00.52 | tuukkah | exactly, it's ridiculous for us to think about this |
| 20:00.54 | ScaredyCat | it doesn't actually take much to fire off an email to the list, or each person ordering to at least keep us informed... |
| 20:01.33 | tuukkah | we should get updates instead of having to wonder what's going on |
| 20:01.41 | ferric | jeez. |
| 20:01.42 | ferric | stop whining. |
| 20:02.10 | unknown_lamer | spamming the lists and channel really doesn't make things go faster |
| 20:02.33 | ScaredyCat | who's sam |
| 20:02.41 | ScaredyCat | errm, who's spamming anything |
| 20:02.56 | ScaredyCat | you know, irc - it's designed to chat about things |
| 20:03.01 | ferric | lol |
| 20:03.03 | tuukkah | everybody who keeps chatting |
| 20:03.03 | ScaredyCat | don;t like it , leave |
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| 20:03.35 | unknown_lamer | ScaredyCat: yeah, but maybe 15 people have asked about shipping so far today |
| 20:04.04 | tuukkah | hozer, "omg what if apple doesn't have the phones here in time" =) |
| 20:04.05 | ScaredyCat | that's because there's *no* other information source unknown_lamer |
| 20:04.30 | unknown_lamer | if there hasn't been a list post then how would anyone on irc know? |
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| 20:04.52 | tuukkah | unknown_lamer, for example if they are openmoko employees |
| 20:04.53 | ScaredyCat | some people know people |
| 20:04.57 | unknown_lamer | stabbing into the dark writing a binary protocol implementation is being difficult |
| 20:05.10 | tuukkah | or if they got their credit card charged... |
| 20:06.40 | unknown_lamer | is anyone else planning to run clisp on the phone? |
| 20:07.13 | unknown_lamer | the lack of ffi is going to make it a bit painful, but at least if I get cl-dbus running it can interact with the services |
| 20:07.15 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: in what context? |
| 20:07.21 | SpeedEvil | Hammerhead? |
| 20:07.24 | SpeedEvil | Yes, it's fun :) |
| 20:07.57 | unknown_lamer | I'm wondering how difficult it would be to make the clisp ffi work on ARM |
| 20:08.06 | SpeedEvil | ffi? |
| 20:08.11 | unknown_lamer | foreign function interface |
| 20:08.19 | happycube | i bet it's been done |
| 20:08.21 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 20:08.35 | unknown_lamer | happycube: the debian version has no ffi on arm :-( |
| 20:08.39 | unknown_lamer | usually that is a very bad sign |
| 20:09.04 | unknown_lamer | it can still do X because CLX is native CL, but no gtk or mokolibs |
| 20:09.09 | hozer | and wondering if anyone had ever written init scripts in lisp ;) |
| 20:09.21 | unknown_lamer | emacs is my shell so I sort of have |
| 20:09.35 | unknown_lamer | I have a little sysv-init clone written in elisp for starting emacs |
| 20:09.59 | tuukkah | you mean emacs is your init? |
| 20:11.24 | unknown_lamer | tuukkah: yes |
| 20:11.28 | unknown_lamer | well |
| 20:11.30 | unknown_lamer | my user init |
| 20:11.31 | tuukkah | or the only program you refer to in inittab is emacs? |
| 20:11.50 | hozer | I started getting crazy ideas like writing a busybox/klibc/python interpreter combination for /bin/init |
| 20:12.13 | unknown_lamer | I mean I have a sysv-init clone that loads emacs initialization stuff |
| 20:12.13 | unknown_lamer | mostly because my config is over 1000 lines and spans across maybe 15 files now |
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| 20:12.34 | unknown_lamer | and then when I log into a shell all my profile does is launch an emacs in screen if one isn't yet running or attaches to the running emacs in screen |
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| 20:14.16 | tuukkah | unknown_lamer, do you know run-parts in debian? |
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| 20:16.19 | unknown_lamer | tuukkah: yes |
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| 20:17.09 | tuukkah | unknown_lamer, so if i understood correctly, you have elisp code implementation of run-parts |
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| 20:17.46 | unknown_lamer | tuukkah: no, I don't use it for system init but rather I use it to initialize my emacs user env (which is my interface the the machine once things start) |
| 20:18.02 | ferric | unknown_lamer: that is sick. |
| 20:18.04 | tuukkah | yeah, run-parts can be used like that |
| 20:18.21 | docdoc | hi |
| 20:18.26 | tuukkah | i mean, you could have run-parts in your .bashrc |
| 20:18.34 | unknown_lamer | ah |
| 20:18.35 | ar1 | emdebian.org, perhaps.. help :) |
| 20:18.37 | unknown_lamer | ferric: why :-) |
| 20:18.43 | docdoc | what software can i run already on neo |
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| 20:19.24 | docdoc | i know openembedded has 23000 packages in its list to be built with ipkg |
| 20:19.40 | untwisted | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.49 | ar1 | www.emdebian.org/ |
| 20:19.59 | docdoc | can these be installed on neo |
| 20:20.02 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 640 has been created by J.Schauer(AT)web.de |
| 20:20.03 | cdbot2 | * * MokoScrolledPane not able to scroll a gtkhtml Widget |
| 20:20.04 | ar1 | i want to |
| 20:20.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=640 |
| 20:20.26 | ar1 | untwisted, me :) |
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| 20:20.59 | hozer | untwisted: what kinda laptop :P |
| 20:21.05 | untwisted | acer ferrari 3200 |
| 20:21.15 | hozer | what cpu? |
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| 20:21.23 | untwisted | amd64 3200 I believe |
| 20:21.26 | untwisted | lemme double check |
| 20:22.10 | ar1 | untwisted: ram? |
| 20:22.11 | untwisted | whoops, its only the amd64 2800+ |
| 20:22.14 | untwisted | 768mb |
| 20:22.25 | ar1 | untwisted: hard disk? |
| 20:22.29 | ar1 | wi-fi? |
| 20:22.29 | aloril | Currently sold Neo1973 GTA01B_v04 (P1) doesn't have WiFi, GTA02 (P2) which is scheduled for October will have WiFi with free (libre) drivers (Atheros AR6K): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F |
| 20:22.37 | untwisted | 80gb 5400, a/b/g wifi |
| 20:23.13 | ar1 | interesting |
| 20:23.56 | untwisted | trying to get $500 for it, $300 of which would go to buying a moko, and $200 of which would go towards me drinking heavily |
| 20:24.12 | Qwell[] | not very heavily |
| 20:24.39 | untwisted | $200 / $34 = 5 bottles of Johnny Walker black label :) |
| 20:24.51 | Qwell[] | oh, well, if you're gonna be anti-social about it |
| 20:24.54 | untwisted | haha |
| 20:24.58 | dantalizing | untwisted: linux sound,wifi works? whats the video? |
| 20:25.01 | Qwell[] | might as well get 20 bottles of $10 rum |
| 20:25.16 | tuukkah | $200 buys you a lot of quesadillas and tequila =) |
| 20:25.23 | untwisted | $200 = 200 beers at local bars! |
| 20:25.31 | Qwell[] | tuukkah: roadtrip to TJ? |
| 20:25.58 | dtx | $200 = 20 rounds with a $10 hooker |
| 20:26.19 | untwisted | dantalizing: linux sound works fine, and wifi works with fwcutter or ndiswrapper, the video is an ATI radeon 128mb 9200 mobility. Everything works just peachy in Linux including bluetooth and the 4in1 card reader |
| 20:26.20 | tuukkah | Qwell, exactly, something like that |
| 20:26.38 | dtx | Why are we factoring $200 into products and services? |
| 20:26.42 | untwisted | I've had success with both the ati drivers and the open source radeon driver |
| 20:27.28 | untwisted | well, I'm a poor college student, $200 increases my money situation by 175% |
| 20:28.02 | tuukkah | untwisted, it's $300 for buying the phone and $200 for the shipping %-) |
| 20:28.10 | dtx | haha |
| 20:28.16 | dtx | thats about right |
| 20:28.16 | Aria | Haha |
| 20:28.20 | untwisted | :-p |
| 20:28.41 | tuukkah | untwisted, the shipping cost is there so that you have more time to develop on the phone |
| 20:28.53 | untwisted | :P of course |
| 20:29.18 | dtx | I develop a lot better drunk |
| 20:29.39 | ar1 | untwisted: ;) |
| 20:29.46 | dtx | At least in my mind |
| 20:29.47 | tuukkah | i bet not, if you drink heavily... |
| 20:30.03 | Markinoko | hahaaaa ! finaly, I have my openmoko up and running in qemu :-D |
| 20:30.23 | Markinoko | woa, this thing is cool |
| 20:30.36 | dtx | Oh hey, btw I have qemu image of OpenMoko compiled and ready to run for anyone that wants to download it ;-) |
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| 20:31.33 | untwisted | dtx where can I find said image? |
| 20:31.37 | SpeedEvil | The one in the wiki? |
| 20:32.08 | dtx | actually I can put it up to download if somebody really wants |
| 20:32.24 | dtx | I was just joking because Markinoko said he just finished compiling it |
| 20:32.25 | Kensan | Hint: buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 20:32.36 | dtx | I don't like that hint |
| 20:32.40 | dtx | That was compiled in April |
| 20:32.59 | Kensan | dtx: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ |
| 20:33.22 | dtx | well hell |
| 20:33.26 | dtx | that shuts me up |
| 20:33.28 | dtx | ;-) |
| 20:33.34 | Qwell[] | openmoko/download.sh |
| 20:33.55 | tuukkah | make qemu |
| 20:34.30 | Markinoko | ./make_a_phone_appear_in_my_hand.sh |
| 20:34.48 | Kensan | Has mickeyl commented on the merge? |
| 20:34.58 | Markinoko | unfortunately I have not yet released the source of this script... huhuhu |
| 20:35.14 | mmazur | Markinoko, upload it somewhere! |
| 20:35.43 | Markinoko | mmazur: ok, this is $450 ;-) |
| 20:36.01 | Markinoko | mmazur: and you even get a debug board ! |
| 20:36.39 | untwisted | for an extra $50 you can buy my laptop ;) |
| 20:36.44 | untwisted | and I can then buy a moko |
| 20:36.48 | docdoc | can openembedded source be used in neo |
| 20:37.17 | Kensan | docdoc: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/distro-devel/2007-June/000042.html |
| 20:37.39 | pitux22 | a version 3 of neo1973 is envisaged? |
| 20:38.13 | SpeedEvil | Eventually. |
| 20:38.23 | SpeedEvil | Well - probably. |
| 20:38.34 | SpeedEvil | Many different models are imagined eventually. |
| 20:38.57 | Kensan | AFAIK there was some talk about at least 3 other devices during the Linuxtag 07 Q&A. |
| 20:39.30 | pitux22 | why buy the version 2 if a version 3 is envisaged^^ ? |
| 20:39.59 | Aria | One to make calls on, one to use. |
| 20:40.06 | Qwell[] | pitux22: Why buy the version 3 if a version 4 is envisaged? |
| 20:40.15 | MrFeetio | why buy version 3, version 4 will come? |
| 20:40.22 | Qwell[] | I mean, you might as well wait 5 years to get the version 42 |
| 20:40.24 | pitux22 | xD |
| 20:40.26 | pitux22 | ^^ |
| 20:40.40 | MrFeetio | then you will have to wait |
| 20:40.44 | Qwell[] | on that note, I think I just convinced myself to get an 01 :p |
| 20:40.50 | Qwell[] | ...stupid logic |
| 20:40.56 | tuukkah | pitux22, you want to start developing on this phone as soon as possible =) |
| 20:41.09 | MrFeetio | I say im waiting till version 3 |
| 20:41.15 | MrFeetio | but that is out of hope |
| 20:41.22 | MrFeetio | hope I will have the money |
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| 20:44.46 | dtx | I'm waiting til version 2 |
| 20:44.57 | dtx | Because I want wifi, and don't give a crap about a cam phone |
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| 20:46.45 | docdoc | wil a 8GB microSD card work |
| 20:47.00 | docdoc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.04 | MrFeetio | do they make 8GB yet? |
| 20:47.04 | dtx | I hope so |
| 20:47.10 | docdoc | V1 versus V2 |
| 20:47.29 | docdoc | this would be fantastic |
| 20:47.30 | MrFeetio | v2 is better |
| 20:47.48 | docdoc | even if you could put apps on it and running it from SD |
| 20:47.51 | MrFeetio | and im willing to put money down that v3 will be better then v2 |
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| 20:48.25 | docdoc | V2 is al we need for the moment , compared to for ex htc 3450 touchphone |
| 20:48.27 | don-o | yeah but wait until v4. it makes v2 look like a tin can and string |
| 20:48.47 | docdoc | has only 200 processor and low res screen |
| 20:49.04 | dtx | I thought v1 was Full VGA |
| 20:49.11 | don-o | wait until the very last day of your life, then buy an openmoko phone. that last day of cell phone bliss will make up for the rest of your life. |
| 20:49.15 | docdoc | the V2 should be enough for me for what i want it to do |
| 20:49.24 | dtx | me too |
| 20:49.48 | docdoc | anyone is using G1 already |
| 20:50.06 | docdoc | with other touch apps ex the dialer |
| 20:50.33 | docdoc | apps within the X11 environment yet working |
| 20:52.14 | Markinoko | ok... I gonna be the newb here, but is Xoo better with or without Xephir ? if this is a troll, just kick me... |
| 20:53.58 | docdoc | list of working software yet? |
| 20:54.03 | Aria | Xoo is a wrapper shell. Cute. Xephir is an Xnest server that more completely simulates a real X than Xnest proper does. |
| 20:54.13 | dtx | I imagine most any OpenEmbedded software will work |
| 20:54.19 | dtx | Which is a lot |
| 20:55.03 | pitux22 | how many people have a neo1973?? |
| 20:55.21 | Markinoko | Aria: thx :-) |
| 20:55.25 | dtx | *crickets chirping* |
| 20:55.34 | ewon | heh |
| 20:55.59 | dtx | How many people are waiting for v2? |
| 20:56.51 | dtx | I want this dev version, it would still be fun, but I don't have enough disposable cash at the moment |
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| 20:57.21 | untwisted | dtx, thats why I'm selling my body |
| 20:57.39 | dtx | You mean your man-gina? |
| 20:57.48 | dtx | Assuming of course that you are a man. |
| 20:57.55 | untwisted | dtx, everything, including the man-gina |
| 20:58.06 | dtx | haha |
| 20:58.31 | untwisted | any takers? |
| 20:58.32 | docdoc | dtx, u have a V1 working |
| 20:58.39 | docdoc | what with teh |
| 20:58.57 | cjb_ie | some time ago i got a spam offering to enlarge my mangina |
| 20:59.05 | dtx | I have current OpenMoko qemu image working |
| 20:59.11 | docdoc | with the power cable in the box (is it power with usb slot for power source) |
| 20:59.12 | dtx | I haven't touched the physical hardware |
| 20:59.37 | dtx | The Neo's are charged over USB I believe |
| 20:59.57 | docdoc | is there a usb to power supply adapter? |
| 21:00.12 | docdoc | so i dont need to load with laptop all the time |
| 21:00.14 | Aria | They are. |
| 21:00.26 | Kensan | dtx: yes they are. No separate plug. |
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| 21:01.28 | cjb_ie | docdoc: i'm guessing any usb psu (like for plugging phone charger leads and such into) will do - or a powered usb hub |
| 21:02.25 | docdoc | cjb can u give example |
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| 21:02.53 | cjb | bah, pesky nick highlight |
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| 21:03.34 | ewon | there can be only one |
| 21:04.01 | docdoc | quit |
| 21:04.15 | docdoc | C U around |
| 21:04.45 | untwisted | time to go home |
| 21:04.50 | untwisted | c-ya later! |
| 21:04.56 | ar1 | see you |
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| 21:17.34 | orzo | openmoko-emulator-win32-bin-20070625.zip just crashes for me when i try to run it |
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| 21:21.12 | pitux22 | what is it? |
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| 21:24.04 | orzo | windows binary for qemu openmoko build |
| 21:24.44 | orzo | from the wiki http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Pre-built_binaries |
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| 21:25.15 | galexande | ... ... ... ... |
| 21:25.25 | orzo | morse code? |
| 21:25.33 | galexande | the sound of patience |
| 21:25.36 | pitux22 | possible to emulate openMoko on linux? |
| 21:25.43 | orzo | ya |
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| 21:25.50 | orzo | read teh wiki |
| 21:25.53 | pitux22 | okay |
| 21:26.32 | Basheri | lf |
| 21:26.34 | orzo | any phones get sent yet? |
| 21:26.39 | Basheri | ooops |
| 21:26.50 | orzo | today is the projected day according to the topic |
| 21:26.57 | pitux22 | the V2 of neo1973 have a multi-touch screen?? |
| 21:27.30 | galexande | pitux, very unlikely. neo uses resistive screens, iphone uses capacitive. |
| 21:28.01 | pitux22 | okay |
| 21:28.10 | pitux22 | gedget^^ |
| 21:28.11 | ferric | is anyone using freebsd to do openmoko dev? |
| 21:28.13 | pitux22 | gadget* |
| 21:28.41 | galexande | ferric, probably not |
| 21:28.54 | ferric | galexande: it's harder? |
| 21:28.59 | galexande | ferric, it's untested |
| 21:29.05 | ferric | ah |
| 21:29.11 | galexande | many of the makefiles may have implicit bash dependencies and so on |
| 21:29.16 | galexande | depends how linux-like your bsd system is :) |
| 21:29.22 | ferric | heh |
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| 21:29.32 | ferric | well, my freebsd box refused to power up last night. |
| 21:29.43 | dtx | well, thats not very linux-like |
| 21:29.46 | galexande | well it won't run openmoko dev until you replace the psu :) |
| 21:29.47 | ferric | heh! |
| 21:30.01 | ferric | i doubt i need to replace the psu, no idea what went wrong. |
| 21:30.14 | dtx | So it works now? |
| 21:30.14 | ferric | i want to go home tonight and look at it. |
| 21:30.27 | ferric | most likely i'll just get an ubuntu build sik and stick it in |
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| 21:30.52 | ferric | dtx: no. unless something magically changed between last night and this morning. |
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| 21:31.03 | ferric | like maybe the aliens returned my psu! |
| 21:31.38 | ben_goodger | ferric: they seem to put the ones they steal on my bookcase |
| 21:31.43 | ferric | anyway, so are you recommending sticking with linux for openmoko dev? |
| 21:31.59 | ferric | ben_goodger: do you have an antec sonata II psu on your bookcase? |
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| 21:33.57 | Kensan | ferric: it seems there are other people using FreeBSD: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU#FreeBSD_and_last_qemu... |
| 21:35.24 | ben_goodger | probably not, but you never know with unlabelled stuff |
| 21:36.31 | ferric | Kensan: ah - thanks for the pointer. |
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| 21:37.42 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[GSM02.07]] [[Modular_phone]] [[Category:Hardware_ideas]] [[Category:Neo1973_alternate_cases]] [[Neo1973_alternate_cases]] [[Main_Page/es]] [[GSM_%26_GPRS_Connection_Status/it]] [[GSM_%26_GPRS_Connection_Status]] [[Footer/it]] [[Footer]] and other changes |
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| 21:40.29 | SpeedEvil | galexande: you can do resistive multi-touch screens. |
| 21:40.53 | SpeedEvil | galexande: basically they have a matrix similar to a keypad. |
| 21:41.26 | SpeedEvil | galexande: instead of simple planes of constant resistivity, you have strips of constant resistivity, at right angles. |
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| 21:51.45 | Basheri | ;O |
| 21:52.40 | mafeu | i'm just playing aroung with the openmoko binaries in qemu. i am surprised. from all the talks i thought that only the dialer is there but there are more apps, that you can at least start. if they are functional? i don't know ... But i have one problem, though .... where the hell is the keyboard???? |
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| 21:53.08 | ferric | lol |
| 21:53.22 | ferric | mafeu: i think there's a wiki article on that or it's in the faq or something. |
| 21:53.58 | mafeu | ferric: so you won't tell me? ;-) |
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| 21:57.11 | SpeedEvil | mafeu: click on grey box at top |
| 21:57.15 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
| 21:57.20 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 21:58.07 | mafeu | SpeedEvil: Thanks, that helps ;-) |
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| 22:07.52 | gcb77 | I'm almost done with a VM image |
| 22:08.16 | gcb77 | Think I can upload it to the wiki? |
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| 22:17.08 | Elrond | gcb77 - How large? |
| 22:17.20 | gcb77 | 3GB |
| 22:18.38 | gcb77 | I'm setting up a place on my site as well. Either way, it'll take hours to upload |
| 22:19.06 | Elrond | Don't upload to wiki. |
| 22:19.13 | Elrond | Only link to it on the wiki. |
| 22:19.23 | Elrond | 5GB are insane for a wiki. |
| 22:19.55 | orzo | what are you uploading? |
| 22:20.32 | gcb77 | VM image with MokoMakefile |
| 22:21.07 | untwisted | anyone working on openmoko in ubuntu 7.04? |
| 22:21.12 | hozer | what vm? |
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| 22:21.28 | untwisted | MrFeetio, where in PA do you live? |
| 22:21.43 | gcb77 | The VM image is XUbuntu Feisty |
| 22:22.01 | hozer | gcb77: using qemu/kvm ? |
| 22:22.05 | gcb77 | I have another one working with Ubuntu 7.04 |
| 22:22.07 | gcb77 | VMWare |
| 22:22.33 | untwisted | gcb77: did you have to compile gcc3.0 to use mokomakefile or did you do something else |
| 22:22.37 | MrFeetio | mechanicsburg(near the capital) |
| 22:22.53 | untwisted | Oh, thats cool, Pittsburgher here, I know someone from mechanicsburg |
| 22:22.56 | gcb77 | untwisted: apt-get install gcc-3.3 |
| 22:23.03 | hozer | a free software phone project should use a free software vm :P |
| 22:23.09 | gcb77 | then I manually remove the gcc link from 3.4 and pointed it at 3.3 |
| 22:23.22 | untwisted | gcb77: thanks, I searched apt-cache and didn't find it :| |
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| 22:23.55 | Elrond | hozer - virtualbox? |
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| 22:24.25 | hozer | Elrond: or that ;) |
| 22:24.35 | hozer | have you tried virtualbox? |
| 22:24.54 | Elrond | No. A friend. |
| 22:25.06 | Elrond | I probably will do soon. It seems I need winblows for work. :-( |
| 22:26.15 | MrFeetio | http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/07/16/samsung-files-patent-for-joystick-phone/ |
| 22:27.09 | thomasg_ | lol, what a senceless bullshit :) |
| 22:27.29 | don-o | untwisted: i have openmoko built on ubuntu feisty |
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| 22:31.44 | untwisted | don-o: I'm alright for right now, but still working through the make process. Ubuntu ships with such little in the way of developer tools |
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| 22:33.57 | hozer | Elrond: if you have a machine capable of VT, kvm seems to work well |
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| 22:35.03 | Elrond | hozer - I'm hoping for virtualbox to once get into debian... |
| 22:35.29 | hozer | oooh, that would be nice.. is there an effort for that? |
| 22:35.55 | gcb77 | The nice thing is that I should have SSH working with QEMU |
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| 22:36.51 | untwisted | woot, got openmoko booting in qemu! |
| 22:36.58 | Elrond | hozer - Huh, I don't know. |
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| 22:37.20 | untwisted | errr, sort of... it appears as though its missing some grafix files ;) |
| 22:37.34 | Elrond | hozer - virtualbox is GPL, right? (except some add-ons) |
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| 22:41.01 | Elrond | hozer - bugs.debian.org/406992 |
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| 22:46.20 | mafeu | untwisted: great, i'm just now playing with the (daily?) snapshots. Well, some apps are w/o funcitonality, but overall I am ipressed. Did you use the MokoMakefile? |
| 22:48.21 | untwisted | afk, sorry |
| 22:53.37 | mafeu | At least for CEST FIC didn't get the Neos out on the 16th. Well, what the heck, they'll eventually ship. You guys in the west still have a chance, I have to sleep now, by |
| 22:53.55 | SpeedEvil | IMO - shipping before charging CCs unlikely. |
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| 22:58.12 | pitux22 | there is a jabber client on openMoko plateforme? |
| 22:58.16 | pitux22 | plateform* |
| 22:58.52 | Aria | a lot of people are interested in empathy and telepathy-framework based stuff |
| 22:59.30 | cesarb | Any news? |
| 22:59.32 | cesarb | counter |
| 22:59.32 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-14 16:40) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order https://direct.openmoko.com/ ; Shipping prob. 65% in 18:30:14 (0.771±0.8 days) (1749;248) |
| 22:59.41 | SpeedEvil | No ce: |
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| 23:02.00 | orzo | what is empathy and telepathy-framework stuff? |
| 23:03.43 | Aria | empathy is a fork of Gossip to use telepathy |
| 23:04.02 | Aria | telepathy is a multiple-backends-as-separate-processes system for IM and other user-to-user channels. |
| 23:04.10 | Aria | (including voice and video signaling) |
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| 23:11.24 | quinton | i'm trying to follow the 'Building OpenMoko from scratch' wiki page. but i get an error i'm not sure how i should fix: http://pastebin.ca/622534 |
| 23:11.27 | quinton | any hints? |
| 23:14.22 | gcb77 | this was asked here before, and the suggestions was: you need to create a simlink of include/asm/page.h from linux source to /usr/include/asm/page.h |
| 23:15.00 | quinton | ah, thank you very much |
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| 23:20.35 | orzo | should add the answer to the wiki |
| 23:21.34 | cjb | yes, you should |
| 23:23.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 641 has been created by ajmitch(AT)ubuntu.com |
| 23:23.02 | cdbot2 | * * Coreutils fails to build with glibc 2.6 |
| 23:23.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=641 |
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| 23:24.58 | ajmitch | that bot is quick :) |
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| 23:27.56 | orzo | i shouldnt; i've never even read teh wiki page in question or understand the issue |
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| 23:37.02 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Modular_phone]] [[Talk:Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[User:Alf]] [[Modular_phone]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Wishlist_-_Hardware_-_Novel_Devices]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Mokopedia]] |
| 23:37.37 | galexande | curse my bank, which takes at least a day to tell me if my card has been charged |
| 23:46.43 | andylockran | when will we find out shipping dates dudes - just been down the pub :) |
| 23:47.03 | happycube | sometime after cc's get charged ;) |
| 23:47.28 | andylockran | anyones card been charged yet? |
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| 23:49.12 | andylockran | I'll take that as a no :( |
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