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| 05:23.52 | Ophelia_ | hmmm |
| 05:23.52 | Ophelia_ | how about this? |
| 05:24.01 | Ophelia_ | noname:~/Desktop/Openmoko/qemu-neo1973 hagenbecker108$ openmoko/flash.sh |
| 05:24.01 | Ophelia_ | Splash needs 'pngtopnm' and 'ppmtorgb3' - make sure that they're in $PATH. |
| 05:24.01 | Ophelia_ | noname:~/Desktop/Openmoko/qemu-neo1973 hagenbecker108$ |
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| 05:24.38 | raster | u need netpbd |
| 05:24.41 | raster | netpbm |
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| 05:25.55 | Ophelia_ | aha |
| 05:26.46 | Ophelia_ | is version 9.25-14 ok or should I use 10.24-3? |
| 05:30.00 | BlackBsd | is openmoko debian/ubuntu/gentoo/LFS based? |
| 05:30.12 | BlackBsd | or something else? |
| 05:32.23 | raster | Oe |
| 05:34.38 | BlackBsd | open embedded |
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| 05:35.35 | raster | yes |
| 05:38.05 | khester_ | A hardware question for anyone who might know the answer. Does anyone here know if the SPI bus 0 which is brought out to test points is 'free' for our own use (assuming soldering)? i.e. not shared with the mini SD card slot (presumably on SPI 1)? The webpage just shows SS0 as the chip select and I want to make sure it is okay for me to start using that for a small application. |
| 05:39.44 | Ophelia_ | It worked :-) |
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| 05:45.50 | ExxonValdeez | so the phones coming out in july will not have wifi? |
| 05:45.52 | aloril | GTA02 (P2) will have WiFi (Atheros AR6K): http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F |
| 05:46.49 | ExxonValdeez | ok, thats what i thought |
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| 05:49.53 | rwhitby | awesome, I just watched openmoko ad 16, and my test rig is the star! |
| 05:52.17 | ExxonValdeez | where did you find that? |
| 05:54.13 | ExxonValdeez | thats cool that javascript will be available but python or ruby would be neat |
| 05:54.29 | rwhitby | http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=openmoko |
| 05:56.13 | ExxonValdeez | you make these? |
| 05:58.35 | ExxonValdeez | they are pretty neat |
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| 07:13.32 | empty_mind | hello moko |
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| 07:31.34 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: gmail.com problems and this list |
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| 08:05.17 | xkr47 | counter |
| 08:05.17 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-06T13:15) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in a day 03:54:42 (1.163±1.0 days) (1698;246) |
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| 08:20.27 | Psi_ | a lot of community emails tonight |
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| 09:39.36 | Ophelia | I'm wondering why the mouse-cusor cannot be seen in the QEMU-window |
| 09:40.23 | Ophelia | in the active QEMU-window, I mean |
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| 09:48.27 | Elrond | Ophelia - Because the system is configured for no cursor. Even on the real device. |
| 09:49.02 | Elrond | Ophelia - Because the you use the stylus/finger as your "cursor". |
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| 09:50.28 | Ophelia | hmmm |
| 09:50.28 | Ophelia | that's a bit uncomfortable on a system without touchscreen, isn't it? ;-) |
| 09:51.02 | Elrond | ;o) |
| 09:51.21 | Ophelia | but the windows-emulation worked with a cursor |
| 09:51.56 | Ophelia | how shall I know then where to click for calibrating the screen at the beginning? |
| 09:52.09 | Elrond | I have no idea. I mostly use the real thing, or compile straight for my desktop and let it run natively there. |
| 09:52.53 | Elrond | Anyway, I'm off for RL |
| 09:53.03 | Ophelia | ok |
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| 10:01.17 | aloril2 | its now Monday at GMT+14 (or if they have summer time, then it started 1h ago) |
| 10:01.17 | aloril2 | counter |
| 10:01.17 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-06T13:15) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in a day 01:58:45 (1.082±1.0 days) (1699;246) |
| 10:03.04 | hads | The Christmas Islands? |
| 10:03.52 | aloril2 | s/GMT/UTC/ |
| 10:04.11 | aloril2 | see wikipedia for UTC+14 |
| 10:05.13 | aloril2 | (counter lower limit is UTC+12 and upper limit is UTC-12) |
| 10:05.21 | hads | So yes, Christmas Island. |
| 10:06.15 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Games]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[GPS_Navigation]] |
| 10:07.06 | daMaestro | aloril2, so.. we should be able to buy on openmoko.com soon? |
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| 10:15.38 | aloril2 | daMaestro: it takes 50h before Monday is over at earth |
| 10:16.00 | aloril2 | s:earth:Earth: |
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| 10:34.20 | aloril2 | daMaestro: Monday starts at Taiwan in something like 6h |
| 10:35.48 | Basheri | =S |
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| 10:36.42 | thomasg_ | aloril, maybe it's ready and a cronjob enables the page :) |
| 10:37.30 | daMaestro | well.. i just hope that i can place my order and have it by next weekend |
| 10:40.27 | thomasg_ | daMaestro, I hope so, too |
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| 10:54.12 | holymoly | hi guys |
| 10:56.17 | aloril2 | thomasg_: we will see ;-) |
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| 11:00.08 | holymoly | openmoko is one seriously cool project |
| 11:00.17 | holymoly | how many are running the devices here? |
| 11:00.17 | aloril | holymoly: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 11:02.25 | aloril2 | hi holymoly, maybe more than 10 |
| 11:02.33 | holymoly | neato! |
| 11:03.09 | holymoly | one of the things i've been chinking aobut in my head is replacing a portion of the moko case and making a clamshell dealie with a small kb |
| 11:03.14 | holymoly | i wonder how doable that would be |
| 11:03.26 | holymoly | would be nice to have ssh access via moko |
| 11:03.27 | aloril2 | hopefully soon more than 50% ;-) |
| 11:04.06 | holymoly | i'm reading on the .com page they are a bit behind schedule, can these things be ordered? |
| 11:04.19 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 11:04.24 | SpeedEvil | day or two |
| 11:04.49 | holymoly | ah thats for the dev version, mass market in oct i guess? |
| 11:05.13 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 11:05.31 | holymoly | coolness |
| 11:05.43 | SpeedEvil | In theory. Many have doubts if the software will be suitable for end-users that soon. |
| 11:06.30 | holymoly | that would make sense |
| 11:06.35 | holymoly | this is a very complex undertaking |
| 11:06.40 | holymoly | i've been thinking about the issue my self |
| 11:07.10 | holymoly | i'm starting to think with next years release of the new umpc geared cpus that one will just as well load up standard desktop lik egnome or kde |
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| 11:07.28 | holymoly | and use some apprs running on that to interface to the cell modem on the device |
| 11:07.32 | SpeedEvil | Well, no. |
| 11:07.42 | SpeedEvil | A _big_ part of the problem is the user interface. |
| 11:07.57 | SpeedEvil | You can run standard desktop stuff, and use a stylus. |
| 11:08.10 | Shoragan | the "backend" is the same already (gtk, eds, dbus, hal) |
| 11:08.14 | SpeedEvil | But, you will often need to hold the phone at 4" and use a magnifying glass. |
| 11:08.29 | holymoly | heh i know what you mean |
| 11:08.35 | SpeedEvil | Getting stuff to work well with fingers is the hard part. |
| 11:08.43 | holymoly | i tried using a sony ux90 ... veeeeery hard to do |
| 11:09.03 | holymoly | thats what i was thinking tho |
| 11:09.43 | holymoly | well anyway i'll stop there, i'm speculating, much smarter people are working on the problem |
| 11:09.54 | holymoly | at minimum i get to ditch that proprietary garbage soonish |
| 11:10.39 | SpeedEvil | Hopefully. |
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| 11:11.34 | holymoly | moko runs an arm based cpu i take it? |
| 11:13.09 | holymoly | ah found it |
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| 11:13.31 | SpeedEvil | Any. |
| 11:13.36 | SpeedEvil | The first phone is ARM |
| 11:13.54 | SpeedEvil | The Neo1973 |
| 11:14.04 | SpeedEvil | it'll run on any processor. |
| 11:16.38 | holymoly | tangentially: Samsung S3C2410AL-26 |
| 11:16.42 | holymoly | oops |
| 11:16.48 | holymoly | http://www.joetech.com/category/communication/ |
| 11:17.00 | holymoly | scroll to the bottom, a lot of mockups of what companies are working on |
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| 11:18.38 | ScaredyCat | counter |
| 11:18.39 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-06T13:15) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in a day 00:41:20 (1.029±1.0 days) (1700;246) |
| 11:19.46 | holymoly | is there a package manager for moko? |
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| 11:24.10 | Freed | holymoly: ipkg |
| 11:24.25 | holymoly | is the moko going to have a standard mini usb port or one of those proprietary all in one/power/usb connecytors? |
| 11:24.29 | holymoly | Freed, danke, neato |
| 11:24.34 | ScaredyCat | whoooaaaa!!! order page is up |
| 11:24.41 | ScaredyCat | s/is/is not/ |
| 11:24.48 | ScaredyCat | :P |
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| 11:25.00 | holymoly | heh |
| 11:25.07 | Basheri | you tried to pull that off too early |
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| 11:25.38 | holymoly | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RcCFrf-NW0 |
| 11:25.40 | holymoly | aha previews |
| 11:26.07 | Basheri | easier to use python + beautiful soup + crontab |
| 11:26.12 | Basheri | ^^ |
| 11:26.15 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.42 | Basheri | touché |
| 11:27.07 | ScaredyCat | you want a Mac? ;) |
| 11:27.19 | holymoly | oh ipkg now supports .deb |
| 11:27.21 | holymoly | *hmmm* |
| 11:27.28 | holymoly | i wonder how it will resolve dependencies |
| 11:27.48 | holymoly | i presume debian will haveto have a neo platform branch perhaps |
| 11:28.07 | ScaredyCat | repository... |
| 11:28.13 | holymoly | repo *nod* |
| 11:28.26 | ScaredyCat | fewd has arrived .. :) |
| 11:28.29 | ScaredyCat | bl |
| 11:29.16 | holymoly | oh okay i got it |
| 11:29.25 | holymoly | i can make a clamshell that fits AROUND the moko |
| 11:29.49 | holymoly | it would protect it, and it would open up to have a kb that plugs into it via whatever port it has available |
| 11:29.50 | holymoly | *hmmm* |
| 11:30.54 | holymoly | wow neat, on the demo they are using enlightment libraries |
| 11:31.06 | Basheri | yeap |
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| 11:31.20 | holymoly | that is VERY interesting |
| 11:31.20 | Basheri | i've watched that video like 20 times :D |
| 11:33.19 | holymoly | sorry to repost |
| 11:34.47 | Basheri | haha :P You don't have to apologise that |
| 11:36.14 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: Werner Almesberger <werner at almesberger.net> why no lowlevel_foo for gtaXX ? |
| 11:36.18 | holymoly | :) |
| 11:36.58 | ScaredyCat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR-4VhlsiV8 |
| 11:40.01 | holymoly | oh haha! custom cases! |
| 11:40.12 | holymoly | well hotdamn |
| 11:40.30 | aloril2 | script is refreshing it every 5min and will blurb sizeof(diff -u) here on any changes |
| 11:40.40 | holymoly | ScaredyCat, haha! |
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| 11:41.10 | aloril2 | disclaimer: if *.openmoko.* gets overloaded, there could be delay |
| 11:41.12 | Basheri | yep, i'm looking forward to custom cases |
| 11:41.42 | holymoly | the pic of the playstation controller is brilliant |
| 11:41.52 | holymoly | that SERIOUSLY could be fun, a proper controller for games |
| 11:41.53 | Basheri | I don't have the skills to create one myself, but... |
| 11:41.54 | holymoly | neato |
| 11:43.26 | ScaredyCat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZC3mjRW5Tg |
| 11:44.45 | ScaredyCat | wrong one... |
| 11:44.47 | ScaredyCat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuG2hYiO9AU |
| 11:46.35 | holymoly | http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=124250 |
| 11:46.46 | holymoly | well bludgeon me with a stick |
| 11:47.05 | holymoly | i don't even frickin haveto make a kb |
| 11:47.10 | holymoly | just a clamshell |
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| 11:47.43 | ScaredyCat | wtf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxsVFG7jHI8 |
| 11:47.56 | aloril2 | s:it:openmoko.com: |
| 11:48.11 | ScaredyCat | penguin with penguin backpack |
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| 11:48.20 | holymoly | oh yeah thats real |
| 11:48.22 | holymoly | thats from japan |
| 11:48.25 | holymoly | its a family pet |
| 11:48.30 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 11:48.32 | holymoly | they send it get milk every morning or some such |
| 11:48.44 | ScaredyCat | hehehe |
| 11:48.53 | webjames | nice.. |
| 11:49.30 | holymoly | my boss wanted a treo |
| 11:49.38 | holymoly | but now with that bluetooth .kb *hmmm* |
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| 11:52.08 | holymoly | oh! usb networking! |
| 11:52.09 | holymoly | sweet |
| 11:52.30 | ynezz | funny how they've started to reverse iphone :) |
| 11:52.46 | ScaredyCat | ?# |
| 11:52.48 | holymoly | translation: plug in usb ethernet adapter, walk into office, hack the poor bastards network while waiting for the meeting to begin |
| 11:52.50 | ScaredyCat | -# |
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| 11:55.20 | holymoly | aha it is a mini usb |
| 11:55.21 | holymoly | sweet |
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| 11:56.25 | Ophelia | like this guy hacking iPhone to circumvent the AT&T-contract ;-) |
| 11:56.42 | holymoly | well they are insane for buying an iphone to begin with |
| 11:56.47 | holymoly | i really don't understand people |
| 11:57.13 | holymoly | they buy a pair of handcuffs, cuff them selves, swallow the key, then try to figure out how to uncuff them selves |
| 11:57.17 | holymoly | i'll never understand that |
| 11:57.43 | rwhitby | they're deceived by the shiny finish on the handcuffs. |
| 11:58.13 | Kensan | Wanting to know how something works can be a very strong motivation |
| 12:00.56 | aloril2 | counter |
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| 12:00.58 | holymoly | ah moko is compatible with my fido service hre in canada |
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| 12:00.59 | holymoly | nice |
| 12:03.46 | Ophelia | well, I must confess the GUI is reallllllly nice |
| 12:03.46 | Ophelia | or fluffy pinkish stuff around ;-))) |
| 12:03.46 | Ophelia | hehe |
| 12:03.46 | Ophelia | indeed |
| 12:03.47 | Ophelia | time to copy the GUI, isn't it? ;-) |
| 12:03.49 | Ophelia | or even improve it |
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| 12:11.17 | holymoly | man, if i don't stop googling moko stuff i'll never get some sleep |
| 12:11.26 | holymoly | sun is coming out as well so the casket has to be closed |
| 12:11.29 | holymoly | see ya'll in a bit |
| 12:11.30 | holymoly | :) |
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| 12:19.04 | daxxar | When tomorrow will it be launched? ;-) |
| 12:19.32 | Basheri | nobody knows |
| 12:19.58 | Basheri | well, i guess _someone_ knows |
| 12:21.10 | Kensan | Marketing&Sales people usually don't hang around in IRC-Channels ;) |
| 12:22.21 | ynezz | that's a big mistake ! |
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| 12:22.59 | ynezz | otherwise p2 wouldn't have teh wifi!1! omg, LOL |
| 12:25.55 | SpeedEvil | There were problems finding suitable wifi for P1 |
| 12:26.11 | daxxar | ^_^ |
| 12:26.18 | Basheri | I remember that time =S |
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| 12:50.01 | DukeOfURL | counter |
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| 12:51.25 | DukeOfURL | any new information about the Neo availability during this past week? |
| 12:52.22 | dotmef | nothing that I've heard. |
| 12:52.36 | DukeOfURL | still on for tomorrow? |
| 12:54.03 | dotmef | as far as I know |
| 12:54.23 | dotmef | the .com site still shows Sean's announcement saying tomorrow is the day |
| 12:56.49 | ScaredyCat | we need the music from countdown |
| 12:59.43 | batti112 | counter |
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| 12:59.46 | dotmef | heh |
| 13:01.05 | dotmef | I guess there's no guarantee that the site will go live at 00:00 Taipei time |
| 13:01.38 | dotmef | Hopefully everything won't be sold-out by the time I wake up to check it again |
| 13:09.00 | SpeedEvil | Setup an email noise to go 'bing' |
| 13:09.06 | SpeedEvil | and subscribe to announce |
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| 13:09.57 | DukeOfURL | except I'm not mobile with email :-( |
| 13:10.51 | batti112 | does somebody know the utc time of the openmoko release? |
| 13:11.11 | batti112 | 23:30 hours means it will be released in ~35 hours in germany? |
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| 13:16.54 | Viko | I don't think it will be sold out during the first hours any way.. my guess is 300-400 sales the first day, then the rest of the stock in a month. |
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| 13:20.37 | dotmef | Yep - with a thousand Neos waiting, we should be ok |
| 13:20.48 | dotmef | hopefully not though ;) |
| 13:22.45 | ynezz | what time in europe is 00:00 in taipei? |
| 13:26.00 | frankps | What is the time in Taipei now? Here it is 15:24 CET |
| 13:26.39 | C7_ | 21:26 ;) |
| 13:27.03 | ynezz | fine |
| 13:27.21 | SpeedEvil | counter |
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| 14:07.14 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Advertising]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Neo1973_Hardware/de]] [[Hardware/de]] |
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| 14:20.37 | galexande | guh, probably teh only way to really be sure what gmail is doing to our ML is to strace exim |
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| 14:28.13 | SpeedEvil | You saw the 'google said it's retrying' message on the ML? |
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| 14:29.51 | galexande | yeah |
| 14:36.49 | Sup3rkiddo | denis^da, excuse me but are you dennis harrison? |
| 14:37.45 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 14:37.49 | Sup3rkiddo | hi |
| 14:39.05 | Basheri | counter |
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| 14:47.38 | denis^da | Sup3rkiddo, no I'm not :) |
| 14:48.05 | Sup3rkiddo | denis^da, thanks..sorry mate |
| 14:48.32 | DennisHarrison | :O |
| 14:48.34 | Sup3rkiddo | DennisHarrison, you are a evil git |
| 14:48.36 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 14:48.45 | DennisHarrison | 17:48:07 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- This nickname is owned by someone else |
| 14:48.48 | DennisHarrison | :O |
| 14:49.02 | DennisHarrison | Someone actually owns this nick :DD |
| 14:49.13 | denis^da | Sup3rkiddo, no problem |
| 14:49.17 | Sup3rkiddo | DennisHarrison, duh of course |
| 14:49.27 | Sup3rkiddo | denis^da, :) |
| 14:49.45 | DennisHarrison | Sup3rkiddo: I own this nick! |
| 14:49.48 | DennisHarrison | BUAHHAHAHAHA! |
| 14:52.30 | galexande | i've got 4, i hope it's enough |
| 14:53.00 | Sup3rkiddo | DennisHarrison, let fire engulf your trusted boxen..muhaha |
| 14:53.15 | DennisHarrison | =( |
| 14:53.39 | ynezz | BTW who's Dennis Harrison? |
| 14:55.14 | Sup3rkiddo | ynezz, dude was talking about asterix on openmoko...had to ping him regarding that |
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| 15:18.57 | empty_mind | what are the chances of device shipping tomorrow ? |
| 15:19.43 | ScaredyCat | asterisk not asterix ... |
| 15:23.17 | Basheri | :DD |
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| 15:28.08 | Sup3rkiddo | tpos happens everytome |
| 15:28.15 | Sup3rkiddo | er..typos, everytime |
| 15:29.01 | empty_mind | Sup3rkiddo: thought of changing name to typ0kiddo |
| 15:29.10 | Sup3rkiddo | empty_mind, :P |
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| 15:30.44 | dotmef | 'night all. luck to everyone wanting to order a Neo/Neo+ |
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| 15:35.09 | Sup3rkiddo | here we are waiting like small kids during christmas...trouble is i have been prettty bad this year, santa is pretty angry |
| 15:36.18 | empty_mind | lets hope neo arrives tomorow |
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| 15:39.07 | ScaredyCat | b;ah! |
| 15:39.55 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, its speled as b.a.h.! |
| 15:39.59 | Sup3rkiddo | d'oh |
| 15:40.05 | Sup3rkiddo | s/speled/spelledf |
| 15:40.08 | Sup3rkiddo | s/speled/spelled |
| 15:40.12 | ScaredyCat | spelt |
| 15:40.17 | Sup3rkiddo | d'oh |
| 15:40.22 | ScaredyCat | and it was meant to be blah |
| 15:40.30 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, :S |
| 15:40.35 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03werner * r2372 10/trunk/oe/packages/uboot/uboot-gta01_svn.bb: Tentative fix to bring back neo1973 lowlevel_foo |
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| 15:41.10 | ScaredyCat | lo cesarb |
| 15:43.20 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: hi |
| 15:44.08 | cesarb | I'd guess one hour after the inevitable slashdot article |
| 15:44.18 | ScaredyCat | depends if the server crashes under the load ;) |
| 15:46.04 | ScaredyCat | counter |
| 15:46.04 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-06T13:15) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 22:06:58 (0.922±0.9 days) (1706;246) |
| 15:48.35 | ScaredyCat | I bet there's less demand for orange/white |
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| 15:49.02 | summatusmentis | very likely, and I assume it takes a little while for the article to get through slashdot for people to see it? |
| 15:49.12 | summatusmentis | so... peole here should get one, if they're on top of things |
| 15:49.34 | ScaredyCat | well, tbh... I'd rather it didn't get throught until I'd got my order confirmation, thanks |
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| 15:49.50 | ScaredyCat | s/throught/through/ |
| 15:50.16 | summatusmentis | I agree, I'm not ordering one, but people here better get first dibs |
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| 15:51.50 | ScaredyCat | it looks like only a relatively short run of 1000, from the message on openmoko.com.. |
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| 15:53.06 | summatusmentis | right |
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| 16:00.40 | mbuf | its midnight in Taipei, and openmoko.com has no updates? |
| 16:01.00 | duffyd | mbuf: yup :-( I'm in Taiwan at the moment and no changes on the website |
| 16:01.09 | woglinde | uh |
| 16:01.15 | duffyd | wish I could camp outside their hq :-) |
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| 16:01.19 | |R| | hehe |
| 16:01.19 | woglinde | lol |
| 16:01.24 | SpeedEvil | You could. |
| 16:01.24 | woglinde | do it |
| 16:01.28 | ScaredyCat | I suspect it's going to be 9am US time |
| 16:01.30 | SpeedEvil | Their address is public. |
| 16:01.31 | ScaredyCat | (nyc) |
| 16:01.41 | duffyd | true but I'm about 2 hours away by bus ;-) |
| 16:02.00 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: so how many hours later would that be? |
| 16:02.07 | ScaredyCat | counter |
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| 16:02.15 | ScaredyCat | 22 ? |
| 16:02.30 | duffyd | noooooooo |
| 16:02.32 | ScaredyCat | I duno, it's just a guess |
| 16:02.37 | duffyd | true |
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| 16:03.32 | ScaredyCat | why no go 'ninja' and get yourself a phone ;) |
| 16:03.39 | duffyd | lol |
| 16:03.53 | duffyd | well my wife is Japanese so I could ask her how to |
| 16:03.55 | duffyd | ;-) |
| 16:05.49 | loufoque | duffyd: your wife is a ninja? |
| 16:06.05 | idarwin | it's not something you learn in an hour :-) |
| 16:06.07 | duffyd | loufoque: :-) I wish |
| 16:06.29 | ScaredyCat | Not Geisha |
| 16:06.40 | ScaredyCat | </frank chickens> |
| 16:06.45 | duffyd | no |
| 16:06.49 | woglinde | lol |
| 16:07.22 | ScaredyCat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42WmF3LLRUQ |
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| 16:13.51 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: that has got to be one of the biggest embarassments to Japanese on the face of the planet! |
| 16:13.59 | ScaredyCat | no way.. |
| 16:13.59 | duffyd | funny though :-) |
| 16:14.48 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: how old is that? |
| 16:14.59 | ScaredyCat | very... |
| 16:15.01 | ScaredyCat | well |
| 16:15.04 | duffyd | looks it |
| 16:15.17 | ScaredyCat | early 80's |
| 16:15.46 | ScaredyCat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04ps8n4Hlw4 |
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| 16:19.00 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: there english is pretty impressive |
| 16:19.15 | duffyd | s/there/their |
| 16:19.21 | duffyd | there goes my english :-) |
| 16:20.03 | ScaredyCat | I think it was actually better than they make out in their songs... |
| 16:20.23 | ScaredyCat | ie poor engrish was a bit of a put on |
| 16:20.32 | duffyd | ho |
| 16:20.33 | duffyd | oh |
| 16:21.26 | ScaredyCat | in the early 80;s |
| 16:21.29 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 16:23.27 | mbuf | the last few hours are longer than the last few months, of waiting |
| 16:23.35 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 16:24.34 | duffyd | yup |
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| 17:07.55 | aloril2 | 23h left of Monday at Taipei, 43h left World wide |
| 17:09.04 | Vegar | of Monday? |
| 17:09.14 | Vegar | ah, ok |
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| 17:16.28 | iceyone | so.... I guess the neos aren't on sale on July 9th taiwan time, eh? |
| 17:16.28 | aloril | iceyone: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 17:17.56 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 17:18.58 | ScaredyCat | iceyone: I'm guessing 9am in the usa |
| 17:19.14 | ScaredyCat | counter |
| 17:19.14 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-06T13:15) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 21:20:23 (0.889±0.9 days) (1708;246) |
| 17:19.24 | aloril2 | iceyone: still 23h left of Taipei Monday |
| 17:19.36 | iceyone | lol good point |
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| 17:21.29 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: I'm a little unclear how to read that clock.. |
| 17:21.52 | duffyd | does it mean that it's currently 9:20pm on the clock? |
| 17:22.11 | ScaredyCat | no, 21 hours, 20 mins, 23 seconds to go |
| 17:22.19 | ScaredyCat | counter |
| 17:22.19 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-06T13:15) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 21:18:50 (0.888±0.9 days) (1709;246) |
| 17:22.21 | duffyd | oh :-( |
| 17:23.54 | galexande | so, i'm figuring that they'll put it up when they wake up, taiwan time? |
| 17:24.00 | galexande | like 7pm here? |
| 17:24.39 | ScaredyCat | well, that depends where 'here' is |
| 17:24.44 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 17:25.06 | galexande | just prompt me for my credit card number already |
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| 17:26.03 | ScaredyCat | 7 hours 40 mins if it's 9am taiwan time, but there's no real clue as to when it'll happen... |
| 17:26.04 | ScaredyCat | sadly |
| 17:26.22 | galexande | i said it's 9am taiwan time, so they better have been listening to me |
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| 17:26.30 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 17:27.10 | aloril2 | counter counts until Monday is over at Earth, target is (that-now)/2 - now |
| 17:27.33 | pjz | I got to play with an iPhone |
| 17:27.37 | pjz | pretty nice |
| 17:27.44 | ScaredyCat | pretty locked |
| 17:28.17 | pjz | enh, that won't last long - someone's got a shell prompt already, I hear |
| 17:28.17 | pjz | but yeah, I'd rather have a Neo |
| 17:28.42 | pjz | they've got a decent UI though |
| 17:28.52 | pjz | it's what they're good at, after all |
| 17:28.57 | ScaredyCat | true |
| 17:29.06 | pjz | I think GTA01 is no competition for the iPhone... GTA02 might be though |
| 17:29.11 | pjz | esp. with the 3D accelerator |
| 17:29.23 | ScaredyCat | 01 is a developer version... |
| 17:29.33 | ScaredyCat | 02 is mass market/consumer |
| 17:29.52 | galexande | i think gta01 is the best, it's gonna save me all that ripping-out-the-commercial-UI hassle |
| 17:30.30 | pjz | though I found the iPhone automatic orientation decteion a bit of a pain the butt when trying to view pictures that were actually *taken* sideways |
| 17:30.37 | ScaredyCat | why owuld it be a hassle... just compile what you want galexande |
| 17:30.39 | Freed | GTA01 will be supported even when GTA02 will be out ? |
| 17:31.07 | mickeyl | define supported |
| 17:31.07 | ScaredyCat | pjz: hehhe good point |
| 17:31.38 | galexande | scaredy, on the iphone it would be a hassle :) |
| 17:31.58 | ScaredyCat | oh, thought you meant between 01 and 02 |
| 17:32.46 | Freed | firmware and software relase depending on posibility of GTA01 ... CPU, GPU ... |
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| 17:34.20 | mickeyl | <pun> we're not Nokia. We support older models :D </pun> |
| 17:35.15 | Freed | ;) |
| 17:36.30 | unknown_lamer | gah |
| 17:36.37 | unknown_lamer | never buying a nokia again because of my 7610 |
| 17:36.51 | SpeedEvil | Tehy do basic ones very well. |
| 17:36.51 | ScaredyCat | http://youtube.com/watch?v=kR-4VhlsiV8 |
| 17:36.53 | SpeedEvil | 1100 |
| 17:37.03 | unknown_lamer | series60 v2 was broken early on and was fixed later but I can't update my phone so I have to deal with things like losing my t9 dictionary on reboot and it hard locking when being used a modem |
| 17:38.21 | unknown_lamer | I was informed that apple patented things related to multi-touch so now I can't even read about them |
| 17:40.23 | ScaredyCat | well, I think there was a student (in japan?) who did work on multitouch first... |
| 17:40.34 | ScaredyCat | so that's prior art |
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| 17:41.49 | ScaredyCat | . and isn't it in microsoft's table thing too ?# |
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| 17:44.00 | osmosis | wish there was an RSS feed for the announce list. |
| 17:46.09 | webjames | do you think there could be a use for e-ink somewhere in the neo? |
| 17:46.20 | webjames | see: http://www.eink.com/ |
| 17:47.37 | MacNorth | i'm hopeful that other devices from FIC will use eink |
| 17:48.08 | niels_ | osmosis: gmane has some rss feeds here http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.announce |
| 17:49.10 | webjames | yeah, it's so cool! |
| 17:49.14 | SpeedEvil | Eink are bastards. |
| 17:49.38 | MacNorth | well, even bastards have parents |
| 17:49.39 | webjames | why's that SpeedEvil? |
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| 17:49.44 | SpeedEvil | They simply will not deal in prototype display film of any sort. |
| 17:50.09 | SpeedEvil | I had a nice simple display for e-ink. |
| 17:50.25 | SpeedEvil | Basically an electrostatic printer wand, which the eink slotted in. |
| 17:50.40 | SpeedEvil | No actual display as such, simply the film. |
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| 17:51.04 | SpeedEvil | display idea |
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| 17:52.35 | webjames | it'd be good for battery life |
| 17:52.42 | webjames | can you overlay it? |
| 17:53.52 | SpeedEvil | Overlay it? |
| 17:53.58 | SpeedEvil | It's basically opaque |
| 17:54.06 | webjames | oh, ok |
| 17:54.29 | SpeedEvil | That's why it's so reflective. |
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| 17:55.21 | unknown_lamer | ScaredyCat: there are some videos on google that show the mit folks doing multitouch tables for dj stuff + a few modified apps like warcraft 3 |
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| 18:02.56 | osmosis | niels_: thank you |
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| 18:03.42 | Jason1 | Hello everyone! |
| 18:04.45 | Jason1 | Anybody have any news on what time we are going to see this thing launch? |
| 18:04.45 | aloril | Jason1: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:05.50 | galexande | jason, i have declared with my god-l/ike powers that it will be 9am taiwan time |
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| 18:06.23 | duffyd | galexande: you obviously don't know Taiwan ;-) |
| 18:06.46 | duffyd | galexande: lots of things are *relative* here |
| 18:06.54 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Sources_Dialog]] [[Alternate_Neo1973_case_designs]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 18:07.26 | Jason1 | galexande: Are you serious? or is that just speculation?? |
| 18:09.34 | idarwin | jason1, are you seriously asking such a question here? :-) everything here is speculation. Well, almost. |
| 18:10.11 | Jason1 | idarwin: Hell if I know... Thought maybe the important peoplp hung out here... |
| 18:10.26 | galexande | jason, i seriously have declared it, but i am not as god-like as i let on |
| 18:10.34 | galexande | i'm not important |
| 18:10.35 | ds1 | demand for phone 5000 people, available today 400 |
| 18:10.37 | Jason1 | galexande: LOL |
| 18:10.54 | ecraven | counter |
| 18:10.54 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-06T13:15) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 20:54:33 (0.871±0.9 days) (1710;246) |
| 18:11.22 | ds1 | just another case of this project not meeting up to hype |
| 18:13.06 | Jason1 | ds1: it will, if only we could delay the hype... |
| 18:13.52 | ds1 | yeah, its tough |
| 18:13.54 | ds1 | I'll still buy one |
| 18:14.06 | ds1 | hype or otherwise, just I'll be about 1800 on the waiting list |
| 18:15.28 | idarwin | the important people are too busy working on openmoko to spend time here :-) [not that the developers here are not important in the long term, just not for today's big event] |
| 18:17.06 | Jason1 | I'm surprised to see this many people sitting in this room |
| 18:17.18 | ScaredyCat | there should ba 1000 available today, not 400 ds1 |
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| 18:17.55 | Jason1 | :SCaredCat: Agreed I think another 600 were supposed to be produced shortly after the inital 400 |
| 18:18.05 | ScaredyCat | "In our factory in China, 400 Neos are waiting for you all. Another 600 will be ready before next week. More are queued up waiting for us to say go" |
| 18:18.11 | ScaredyCat | dated 27 June |
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| 18:18.22 | Tyrael | Hi all! |
| 18:18.24 | Tyrael | Who are waiting for the shop on openmoko.com? |
| 18:18.26 | galexande | i think there'll be lpenty |
| 18:18.43 | ds1 | yeah, no one wants the phone, log off all launch is cancelled ;-) |
| 18:18.45 | galexande | tyrael, none of us, we already have our phones, the release was last week, didn't you hear? |
| 18:18.58 | ScaredyCat | well, it wold be daft not to meet developer demand... |
| 18:18.59 | Tyrael | d'oh |
| 18:19.06 | ScaredyCat | lol galexande |
| 18:19.10 | Tyrael | ;-) |
| 18:19.23 | galexande | i'm just not too scared of 1000 developers buying the phone in the first hour |
| 18:19.25 | Jason1 | Is this the virtual OpenMoko line? It beats standing outside an Apple store! LOL |
| 18:19.29 | ds1 | first hour |
| 18:19.30 | Tyrael | I'm in Italy. Here the time is 20.19. You? |
| 18:19.40 | ds1 | it will be 1st 5 minutes |
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| 18:19.57 | ds1 | just watch, they haven't forecast the demand on this one well at all |
| 18:20.13 | ds1 | iPhone sold a couple hundred thousand in day 1 |
| 18:20.37 | CoreDump|home | iPhone was hyped beyond believe |
| 18:20.47 | unknown_lamer | the iPhone is the newest indie retard must-have device |
| 18:20.55 | unknown_lamer | once you trick the indie kids and the hipsters ... |
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| 18:21.12 | unknown_lamer | they drink PBR so they can afford macs and iPods |
| 18:21.26 | ds1 | dude I drink PBR |
| 18:21.32 | unknown_lamer | I drink DFH |
| 18:21.32 | CoreDump|home | lol |
| 18:21.34 | unknown_lamer | much tastier :-) |
| 18:21.49 | MacNorth | i drink new belgium brewery beers |
| 18:22.01 | unknown_lamer | dogfishhead is two hours from me so I get it fresh and cheap |
| 18:22.01 | ds1 | as a matter of a fact, I crushed two PBR last night -- just the american way |
| 18:22.09 | unknown_lamer | alternatively I drink unknown_beer |
| 18:22.09 | galexande | jason, your mailing list pessimism has bummed me out |
| 18:22.10 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:22.15 | MacNorth | iPhone continues to be hyped beyond belief |
| 18:22.34 | Jason1 | MacNorth: At this point, so does OpenMoko :) |
| 18:22.44 | MacNorth | all of the quasi-tech blogs are just wetting themselves to be first to show how to do something simple on the thing |
| 18:22.53 | ds1 | MacNorth: weren't you led to believe you would buy this phone before 2007 |
| 18:22.58 | unknown_lamer | I want to get clisp running on the openmoko damnit |
| 18:23.06 | aloril2 | record number of people here |
| 18:23.08 | ds1 | MacNorth: and then march |
| 18:23.09 | jedix | quick, port amarok to the neo! |
| 18:23.11 | galexande | personall i'm glad they're debugging it before shipping it. |
| 18:23.13 | unknown_lamer | my case finally broke on my ancient 7610 so I kind of need a new phone now too |
| 18:23.14 | MacNorth | OM is hyped indeed, but hype needs a product, something to hold :-P |
| 18:23.35 | ds1 | galexande: I wish they debugged it faster |
| 18:23.40 | unknown_lamer | I feel like the lolcat picture on planet openmoko the other day |
| 18:23.57 | MacNorth | from the sounds of things, the debugging wasn't the bottleneck |
| 18:24.01 | idarwin | MacNorth: "all" the blogs? not this one: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/blogs/cyberia |
| 18:24.08 | SpeedEvil | Hardware debugging |
| 18:24.21 | MacNorth | is it quasi-tech? never read it |
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| 18:24.43 | idarwin | depends on how quasi-tech you mean. Jack's been writing about computer tech for 15 years. |
| 18:24.50 | Jason1 | Anybody know why they are just now expanding hte OpenMoko team? Moving offices, hiring folks.... Seems like they would have done all that manymonths ago |
| 18:25.03 | idarwin | jason1: money? |
| 18:25.12 | MacNorth | sounds pretty experienced to be quasi-tech. i love defining my problems away :-D |
| 18:25.12 | ScaredyCat | did you read email |
| 18:25.48 | idarwin | no problem in CS cannot be solved by... changing the definitions? |
| 18:26.07 | Jason1 | ScaredyCat: Yeah I read Seans email. From what i gathered, they *finally* convinced upper management that OpenMoko was worthwhile, and are late to building the team.. |
| 18:26.12 | Jason1 | just my opinoin |
| 18:26.14 | SpeedEvil | idarwin: ...enough napalm. |
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| 18:26.47 | idarwin | if you say so |
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| 18:27.26 | ScaredyCat | openmoko.com is getting slower... |
| 18:27.57 | Jason1 | not for me... |
| 18:28.37 | SpeedEvil | There needs to be a traffic graph |
| 18:29.31 | Kero | woot! netherlands in openstreetmap! I live there :) |
| 18:29.40 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 18:33.28 | idarwin | how about a "counter" page to measure the productivity loss of people hanging around waiting for the sales page to go online? :-) |
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| 18:34.27 | FuzzyCat | ScaredyCat: dies |
| 18:34.34 | FuzzyCat | s/s// |
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| 18:38.10 | Biagi | http://biagi.miniville.fr/sec |
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| 18:39.09 | Jason1 | Im getting a 404 on OpenMOko.com |
| 18:39.23 | FuzzyCat | me too |
| 18:39.29 | Jason1 | Perhaps they are switching pages???? |
| 18:39.30 | FuzzyCat | oooeeeoooo |
| 18:39.42 | Jason1 | yeah!!! come one baby!!! |
| 18:39.43 | jgm | Maybe it's broken because everyone is hammering it... |
| 18:40.04 | jeddy3 | that doesn't usually render a 404 |
| 18:40.10 | FuzzyCat | no.. |
| 18:40.17 | Jason1 | Its up!!! |
| 18:40.18 | C7_ | its up ;) |
| 18:40.20 | FuzzyCat | w0t it uo!!! |
| 18:40.35 | galexande | or they got tired of being dosed |
| 18:40.37 | FuzzyCat | passwors |
| 18:40.42 | FuzzyCat | password on shop |
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| 18:40.45 | FuzzyCat | :( |
| 18:40.47 | Jason1 | No shopping allowed yt though.... |
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| 18:41.09 | Jason1 | Wonder how many people just pressed the "Shop" button |
| 18:41.19 | FuzzyCat | lol |
| 18:41.31 | FuzzyCat | I pressed the buy it now button too |
| 18:41.37 | galexande | who wants to tell me the pw |
| 18:41.57 | Tyrael | what the login!!! |
| 18:41.58 | Tyrael | ??? |
| 18:42.00 | FuzzyCat | galexande: it's admin and password |
| 18:42.02 | FuzzyCat | ;) |
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| 18:42.12 | andylockran | hey guys |
| 18:42.15 | Jason1 | Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch4 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c Server at direct.openmoko.com Port 443 |
| 18:42.24 | jgm | So what's the benefit from the developers kit as opposed to the base model (apart from the nice box, of course)? If you're looking to develop software is there any need for the developers kit? |
| 18:42.30 | FuzzyCat | that's like a suitcase |
| 18:42.54 | aloril | (script) http://openmoko.com changed: sizeof(diff -u)=17909 |
| 18:43.14 | andylockran | what time is the phone released? |
| 18:43.14 | aloril | andylockran: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:43.16 | FuzzyCat | it slow |
| 18:43.54 | FuzzyCat | andylockran: there's a dev version any time now... and a consumer (mass market) due in october |
| 18:44.04 | Aria | jgm: software alone? No. Want to mess with the internals of, say, u-boot, yes |
| 18:44.35 | jgm | Aria: thanks, sounds like the base version for me then |
| 18:44.38 | FuzzyCat | yeah, most people would probably want the standard version |
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| 18:44.42 | andylockran | FuzzyCat: yeah, I've been keeping up to date with the lists - was just wondering if Sean confirmed the exact time |
| 18:44.57 | FuzzyCat | no, nothing, shop is semi-live |
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| 18:45.06 | iceyone | we just need the magic cookie ;) |
| 18:45.08 | Jason1 | unless you REALLY want that cool plastic box |
| 18:45.39 | andylockran | Any confirmation on if GTA01 can be updated to GTA02 via a mobo change - or will it have to be to buy the whole phone |
| 18:45.44 | andylockran | (sorry for the 20 questions) |
| 18:45.50 | FuzzyCat | I'm sorry guys, I'm taking my laptop into the toilet |
| 18:46.05 | andylockran | FuzzyCat: desperate to be on eof the first? |
| 18:46.14 | jgm | FuzzyCat: you could have done that without telling us, you know |
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| 18:46.35 | galexande | hmm i wonder how many bad pws before their webserver won't talk to me anymore |
| 18:46.51 | FuzzyCat | I like to share jgm... in he spirit of being open :) |
| 18:46.51 | galexande | andy,so far it's only been announced that you can buy the whole thing |
| 18:47.07 | jgm | Great, now he's talking about being open... |
| 18:47.38 | slider_ | i want the toolbox with my neo-base :) |
| 18:47.51 | jeddy3 | xD |
| 18:47.55 | galexande | do i want orange or gray, i have no idea how to make such an important decision!!! |
| 18:48.03 | jgm | One of each, just to be sure |
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| 18:48.17 | Tyrael | can you enter in the shop?? |
| 18:48.25 | FuzzyCat | go for the orange, less people want them, more available |
| 18:48.52 | FuzzyCat | /everyone slaps cjb |
| 18:48.54 | cjb | though the black does look a lot like an iPhone, if you like that sort of thing. |
| 18:48.55 | Jason1 | Buy an orange., That way there is a grey available for me :) |
| 18:48.55 | cjb | :) |
| 18:48.57 | neonum6 | how many colors there are? |
| 18:49.24 | Jason1 | 2 colors |
| 18:49.24 | andylockran | only other question - say I buy the phone today (or tomorrow, as it may be) will I be able to use the GPS to direct me to a place in france - or should I wait til october before I can expect that functionality? |
| 18:49.24 | neonum6 | gray and orange. thanks |
| 18:49.32 | FuzzyCat | andylockran: no it wont be of much use right now |
| 18:49.40 | galexande | andy, the hardware is all there in gta01, but i haven't found any gps software yet |
| 18:49.48 | mbuf | until you open the casing, and add your own? |
| 18:49.54 | cjb | galexande: it's preloaded on the flash. |
| 18:49.59 | cjb | "gllin" in /root/gps. |
| 18:50.04 | galexande | cjb, is it graphical? |
| 18:50.08 | FuzzyCat | this version isn't ready for that yet.. |
| 18:50.12 | cjb | no, it outputs NMEA. |
| 18:50.16 | galexande | cjb, yeah that's what i thought :) |
| 18:50.34 | *** join/#openmoko rushforth (n=rushfort@71-84-241-110.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com) |
| 18:50.35 | andylockran | ok - I think my decision is made.. i'm gonna let the developers get their hands on it first |
| 18:50.41 | FuzzyCat | I suppose you could use it as an expensive bt gps |
| 18:50.58 | mbuf | what is the username and password , asking for magic cookie |
| 18:51.11 | mbuf | openmoko.com is ready for purchase! |
| 18:51.13 | andylockran | I like the look of the site :p |
| 18:51.46 | galexande | This server could not verify that you are authorized to access the document requested. Either you supplied the wrong credentials (e.g., bad password), or your browser doesn't understand how to supply the credentials required. <-- i think this site is ugly |
| 18:51.48 | Tyrael | I'm going crazyyyyyyy |
| 18:51.59 | Tyrael | Seannnnnnnn |
| 18:52.03 | jeddy3 | btw, are the battery-problems sorted out? (charging completely discharged battery/charging with dumb usb-charger/etc...) |
| 18:52.08 | FuzzyCat | galexande: wtf are you on about |
| 18:52.08 | mbuf | tick ... tick .... tick |
| 18:52.55 | rushforth | the web dev's probably have their http auth cached :) |
| 18:53.34 | galexande | hahaha they rpobably wonder why teh orders aren't coming in |
| 18:53.35 | FuzzyCat | it's probably to stop retards like me ordering just yet |
| 18:53.56 | *** join/#openmoko miki (i=50c64b94@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-5f80479a080db014) |
| 18:54.22 | FuzzyCat | erkk the orange ones don't look right |
| 18:54.25 | Jason1 | That stylus looks awesome |
| 18:54.35 | FuzzyCat | yes |
| 18:54.49 | *** join/#openmoko gdiebel (n=gdiebel@adsl-71-150-249-102.dsl.mdsnwi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 18:54.50 | SpeedEvil | jeddy3: mostly. |
| 18:54.55 | *** join/#openmoko Demitar (n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se) |
| 18:55.08 | Jason1 | So, how many of you guys are going to start carrying your OpenMoko around your neck? |
| 18:55.12 | idarwin | "only for developers" ==> those who can get past an apache .htaccess?? :-) |
| 18:55.25 | galexande | i wonder if they've really dropped the ac charger |
| 18:55.30 | jeddy3 | SpeedEvil, ok ty |
| 18:55.34 | FuzzyCat | Jason1: I'm gonna carry the freaking suticase :) |
| 18:55.51 | galexande | it goes in my pocket with my keys, it's a cellphone |
| 18:55.57 | Jason1 | FuzzyCat> I think you might have alot of missed calls. |
| 18:56.07 | SpeedEvil | It's plastic |
| 18:56.11 | andylockran | dropped the ac charger? |
| 18:56.13 | SpeedEvil | should get calls through |
| 18:56.29 | FuzzyCat | there's one in the pic with the advnaced kit |
| 18:56.33 | Jason1 | galexande: They give you a lanyard, you mUST wear it around your neck! All the coolkids are doing it :) |
| 18:56.36 | SpeedEvil | No reason you couldn't wear the case round your neck. |
| 18:56.38 | *** join/#openmoko peeps (n=peeps@cpe-70-112-25-110.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 18:56.41 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 18:56.42 | FuzzyCat | lol |
| 18:56.44 | mickeyl | lanyards rock |
| 18:56.50 | mickeyl | once you get used to 'em |
| 18:56.56 | galexande | thhe announce email said it would have an ac charger in the basic, but the website doesn't. |
| 18:56.58 | andylockran | Jason1: I like that- use the lanyard for the suitcase - shows your a hardcore dev |
| 18:56.58 | kiney_ | counter |
| 18:56.59 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-06T13:15) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 20:31:30 (0.855±0.9 days) (1711;246) |
| 18:57.00 | FuzzyCat | fill it with cement first SpeedEvil? |
| 18:57.06 | Jason1 | LOL |
| 18:57.12 | galexande | presumably i can just hack a usb connector onto one of the nokia chargers sitting around here |
| 18:57.27 | SpeedEvil | FuzzyCat: Naah - that's only for the Ninja developer kit. |
| 18:57.34 | andylockran | or get an ac-usb adapter.. come with most ipod-mini 3rd party chargers |
| 18:57.58 | galexande | grrr you'd think they'd get bored of asking for my password |
| 18:58.02 | Aria | Heh, I have a handful of AC-USB adapters, thanks to Blackberry. |
| 18:58.27 | FuzzyCat | put them on ebay as openmoko chargers Aria ;) |
| 18:58.31 | galexande | i'm not having any luck guessing it, why can't they use simple passwords like 'test' |
| 18:58.33 | Aria | Hee |
| 18:58.35 | andylockran | Aria: set up another openmoko ac adapter shop :p |
| 18:59.05 | andylockran | what were the iphone passwords.. perhaps they're being ironic? |
| 18:59.08 | FuzzyCat | galexande: admin admin |
| 18:59.37 | Jason1 | FuzzyCat: Dont tease us :) |
| 18:59.39 | idarwin | ebay: 4538 items found for usb car charger (I had to check) :'( |
| 18:59.42 | Tyrael | I tried user: cthulhu |
| 18:59.42 | Tyrael | pass: fthang |
| 18:59.42 | Tyrael | but it doesn't work |
| 18:59.57 | galexande | we're justnot smart enough, we don't deserve the neo |
| 19:00.38 | andylockran | this is a fantastic captcha... only the righteous will pass |
| 19:00.44 | Jason1 | galexande: Ahhh. I all makes sense. It is a test. Only those worthy of the neo will get one. |
| 19:00.56 | Jason1 | Start hacking |
| 19:01.23 | FuzzyCat | ahhh ... we're not worthy... must mean the password is Waynes Wrold |
| 19:01.26 | FuzzyCat | World |
| 19:02.14 | Jason1 | Lets hope they open the store before morning. Otherwise it is going to be a long wait :) |
| 19:02.23 | Jason1 | It is like 2am in Taiwan, right? |
| 19:02.42 | SpeedEvil | !google taiwan time |
| 19:02.42 | mickeyl | 03:02 |
| 19:02.43 | cdbot2 | Taiwan -- Current local time: 3:02 AM on Monday, July 9 @ |
| 19:02.45 | cdbot2 | | Images @ http://images.google.com/images?um=1 | Taiwan @ http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/asia/taiwan/%20class=l |
| 19:02.45 | mbuf | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ |
| 19:02.46 | *** join/#openmoko DukeOfURL (n=chatzill@166.129.180.81) |
| 19:02.54 | rushforth | for whatever reason, the server info string just changed on the error page.. |
| 19:02.59 | andylockran | I think we're all becoming a bit obsessed... |
| 19:03.01 | rushforth | so they are probably working on it |
| 19:03.09 | SpeedEvil | !google obsession for nerds |
| 19:03.10 | cdbot2 | Images @ http://images.google.com/images?um=1 | communicatrix » Blog Archive » Nerd Lo @ http://www.communicatrix.com/2007/02/nerd-love-16-keys.html%20class=l | I Love Nerds - I Heart Dorks T-Shirt : @ http://www.cafepress.com/wackywade/1125333%20class=l |
| 19:03.20 | *** join/#openmoko sannes (i=ace@har.sagt.no) |
| 19:03.23 | FuzzyCat | ell, they must be, cos they just changed the site... |
| 19:03.25 | DukeOfURL | unable to access "shop" page. is anyone else having this problem? |
| 19:03.26 | Jason1 | Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c Server at direct.openmoko.com Port 443 |
| 19:03.34 | andylockran | DukeOfURL: yeah, not started yet... |
| 19:03.44 | Jason1 | Store is not open yet... |
| 19:03.45 | mickeyl | guys, relax. the authorities are working on the shop. it'll take some more hours. please don't hammer |
| 19:03.48 | Tyrael | I think that they are recording all the tries and they are laughing |
| 19:03.53 | Jason1 | just the products page to tease us :) |
| 19:04.00 | galexande | heh |
| 19:04.02 | Jason1 | Tyrael: probably |
| 19:04.04 | andylockran | the site looks quite cool... |
| 19:04.06 | sannes | counter |
| 19:04.06 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-06T13:15) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 20:27:57 (0.853±0.9 days) (1712;246) |
| 19:04.10 | galexande | simmer down now! |
| 19:04.28 | Jason1 | looks awesome. some of hte large pictures dont fit on my 1280x800 display though |
| 19:04.29 | galexande | mickey, if you promise to announce in the channel before they're all sold out, i'll stop hitting refresh :) |
| 19:04.36 | Nalim | Who id going to order more then ONE Neo now (black & orange)? |
| 19:04.39 | *** join/#openmoko Hantilles (n=hantille@dslb-084-057-125-144.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:04.47 | Jason1 | I'll announce AFTER I order mine... |
| 19:04.59 | SpeedEvil | I don't think there has been any announce of other than black/silver |
| 19:05.01 | FuzzyCat | http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=openmoko&word2=twatish+iphone |
| 19:05.28 | Tyrael | also user: iphone pass: sucks, don't work :( |
| 19:05.38 | unarzna | there seems to be press release "Openmoko goes live" dated July 9 in openmoko.com, but the link does not work |
| 19:05.43 | *** topic/#openmoko by idarwin -> OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Anyone can buy for $300, starting sometime today, please do not adjust your set. <> Mass market in October for $450. |
| 19:06.08 | andylockran | Anyone from the UK waiting? |
| 19:06.19 | FuzzyCat | I'm from the uk.. |
| 19:06.20 | optiq | damn....that seems pretty steep for this phone too and i really wanted it |
| 19:06.23 | FuzzyCat | but I'm in .nl |
| 19:06.29 | Jason1 | Just ONE for me... |
| 19:06.32 | SpeedEvil | optiq: which? |
| 19:06.39 | *** join/#openmoko notserpe (n=Eric@67.55.26.33) |
| 19:06.53 | FuzzyCat | 300USD is like 45pence |
| 19:07.15 | niels_ | Are there plans to sell protective cases for the GTA02? I usually carry phone and keys in the same pocket. |
| 19:07.35 | Jason1 | It comes with a pouch... |
| 19:07.42 | niels_ | Cool |
| 19:07.54 | FuzzyCat | a posing pouch... |
| 19:07.54 | galexande | if it catches on at all, there are several companies which are pretty good about releasing little hard cases for everything |
| 19:08.01 | Jason1 | ninHer: did oyu see the picks of hte pouch? |
| 19:08.35 | andylockran | anyone used an 8GB miniSD card with the neo yet? |
| 19:08.39 | Jason1 | niels_: Arent you going to wear it arond your neck ?!? :) |
| 19:09.10 | SpeedEvil | andylockran: only successes so far reported are 2,1 |
| 19:09.14 | niels_ | Jason1: Not while I am dressed |
| 19:09.20 | optiq | openmoko for $300 :( |
| 19:09.20 | niels_ | Sorry.. |
| 19:09.25 | Jason1 | ninHer: ROFL |
| 19:09.26 | FuzzyCat | *shudder* |
| 19:09.27 | SpeedEvil | andylockran: nobodies done 4 and 8 isn't obtainable |
| 19:09.29 | cjb | optiq: why is that sad? |
| 19:09.40 | optiq | more than I want to spend on a new phone right now |
| 19:09.43 | SpeedEvil | optiq: compare with similar unsubbed phones |
| 19:09.48 | DeVol | in how far is, say Google Maps data freely available, so that we could write a GPS application ?? just an idea |
| 19:09.52 | galexande | there are no similar phones |
| 19:09.54 | optiq | and i cant get my carrier to subsidize it like it normally would with other phones |
| 19:09.57 | cjb | DeVol: it is not. |
| 19:10.04 | SpeedEvil | galexande: there are quite similar phones. |
| 19:10.13 | *** join/#openmoko minnam (n=srikanth@dsl-olugw6-fe7afa00-207.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 19:10.15 | galexande | but seriously, $300 is a great price for even a palmtop of similar specs, i mean 640x480?? you don't even see that in the iphone |
| 19:10.17 | galexande | and it's like $600 |
| 19:10.19 | cjb | DeVol: if you have web access, you can stick the current GPS coords into maps.google.com, that would work |
| 19:10.21 | SpeedEvil | galexande: large touchscreen, no wifi, but they all have cameras. |
| 19:10.21 | koen|inverness | google maps data is freely available from a webbrowser |
| 19:10.28 | cjb | DeVol: but no offline access, openstreetmap is as close as you'll get, I guess. |
| 19:10.37 | DeVol | cjb: there is no map supplier that will sell raw data i suppose |
| 19:10.49 | cjb | DeVol: there are many. google has a license with one. |
| 19:10.50 | FuzzyCat | look at navit. |
| 19:10.52 | SpeedEvil | DeVol: not for sensible money |
| 19:10.58 | cjb | DeVol: such licenses usually run in the millions of dollars. |
| 19:11.23 | Jason1 | FYI Michael Lauer <mickey@openmoko.org> on the community list says: |
| 19:11.27 | koen|inverness | millions of dollars? that's like 80 pence these days |
| 19:11.32 | Jason1 | Team is still working on the site, please don't hammer. |
| 19:11.32 | Jason1 | Thanks! |
| 19:11.34 | FuzzyCat | there's rumour that navit can use garmin maps |
| 19:12.05 | *** join/#openmoko Tricky (i=Predat0r@adsl-76-203-124-101.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:12.09 | idarwin | Spend your time mapping for openstreetmap instead of hammering mickey's site waiting for the store to open. then osm will be more usable. |
| 19:12.12 | SpeedEvil | Use, and legally use is another question. |
| 19:12.16 | cjb | idarwin++ |
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| 19:12.26 | DeVol | openstreetmap first time i hear about it |
| 19:12.34 | DeVol | my village isnt even on it :P |
| 19:12.35 | SpeedEvil | htt-p://www.openstreetmap.lorg/ |
| 19:12.40 | minnam | ping mbuf |
| 19:12.41 | idarwin | won't be the last. |
| 19:12.42 | SpeedEvil | http://www.openstreetmap.org/ |
| 19:12.49 | mbuf | minnam, pong |
| 19:12.52 | SpeedEvil | My local town - 40K wasn't on it. |
| 19:13.06 | SpeedEvil | My nearby city - 140K - had one and only one street. |
| 19:13.16 | thomasg_gpm | hm any german here who would be interested in a order of 2 devices to reduce shipping costs? |
| 19:13.20 | Tricky | hey I own an iphone .. I think we can implement equivalent gesture browsing functionality without violating their patents |
| 19:13.27 | cjb | DeVol: it's generated by people like you. so, if people in your village aren't helping, that's unsurprising. |
| 19:13.35 | DeVol | cjb; so i see |
| 19:13.36 | Basheri | SpeedEvil: :FF |
| 19:13.40 | cjb | Tricky: you're wrong. |
| 19:13.46 | cjb | Tricky: in any case, the touchscreen is just not multitouch. |
| 19:13.53 | cjb | so, no, you can't, without different hardware. |
| 19:14.04 | Tricky | without multi touch -- using single touch |
| 19:14.17 | SpeedEvil | Basheri: :FF? |
| 19:14.19 | *** join/#openmoko ewanm89_laptop (n=ewanm89@86.156.135.219) |
| 19:14.35 | Basheri | SpeedEvil : My nearby city - 140K - had one and only one street. |
| 19:14.42 | cjb | ah. sure, you can work on single-touch gestures if you like. |
| 19:14.52 | SpeedEvil | Basheri: I was wondering what :FF meant |
| 19:14.56 | Jason1 | Anybody know what role "Michael Lauer <mickey@openmoko.org> " plays on the OpenMoko team? |
| 19:15.09 | SpeedEvil | Jason1: Ninja! |
| 19:15.13 | Basheri | SpeedEvil: nevermind |
| 19:15.18 | Basheri | :P |
| 19:15.21 | Tricky | like this to shrink a page press on one of the 4 corners and drag towards center |
| 19:15.27 | Kensan | Jason1: Mickey Lauer -- Lead Framework / Application Architect |
| 19:15.27 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Meet_the_Core_Team |
| 19:15.32 | *** join/#openmoko nosys (n=nosys@ARennes-351-1-7-149.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:15.34 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: OPENMOKO.COM IS UP |
| 19:15.43 | FuzzyCat | lol |
| 19:15.47 | nosys | hi |
| 19:15.52 | ynezz | :)) |
| 19:15.54 | FuzzyCat | that's soooo last week aloril ;) |
| 19:16.06 | *** join/#openmoko freelock (n=john@foraker.freelock.com) |
| 19:16.45 | Jason1 | :) |
| 19:17.01 | Tricky | to expand press the middle of one of the top or bottom sides of the screen's square and drag to any of the two corners on either side |
| 19:17.39 | FuzzyCat | it doens;t work |
| 19:17.43 | Tricky | and to move around the page .. touch the center and drag whichever where you want to scroll about in the page (horizontal, vertical) |
| 19:17.56 | SpeedEvil | OMG - the wiki password |
| 19:18.00 | SpeedEvil | doesn't work at all. |
| 19:18.10 | FuzzyCat | lol |
| 19:18.11 | ynezz | whats that magic cookie? |
| 19:18.19 | ynezz | jesus |
| 19:18.21 | cjb | (http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html) |
| 19:18.32 | ynezz | long cookie |
| 19:19.11 | SpeedEvil | And what the hell does "high quality codec" mean? |
| 19:19.21 | SpeedEvil | Oh - GSM codec prolly |
| 19:19.22 | Aria | Means the sound quality doesn't suck? |
| 19:19.39 | ynezz | password is SpringBoard |
| 19:19.55 | Tricky | we also need to support Live Video Share |
| 19:20.12 | Tricky | 800x600 screens |
| 19:20.19 | mbuf | username? |
| 19:20.37 | ynezz | sjobs |
| 19:20.45 | Tricky | LOL |
| 19:20.47 | mickeyl | cjb: why not? |
| 19:21.23 | *** join/#openmoko gfodemesi (n=gfodemes@82-131-131-226.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 19:21.51 | SpeedEvil | 266Hz is 266 cycles per second |
| 19:22.00 | SpeedEvil | CPUs have not been that slow since 1940 |
| 19:22.07 | SpeedEvil | 1945 maybe |
| 19:22.08 | *** join/#openmoko miip (n=miip@p54A571C8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:22.25 | galexande | i'll buy one at 266hz, come on what are you whining about |
| 19:22.29 | cjb | mickeyl: are you serious? :) |
| 19:22.31 | DukeOfURL | an abacus? |
| 19:22.45 | SpeedEvil | 266Hz would be powersaving |
| 19:22.51 | Hantilles | lol |
| 19:22.57 | Jason1 | mickeyl: they spotted a typo... |
| 19:23.18 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 19:23.19 | mickeyl | oh |
| 19:23.22 | mickeyl | MHz |
| 19:23.24 | FuzzyCat | lol |
| 19:23.24 | cjb | :) |
| 19:23.27 | Jason1 | yup :) |
| 19:23.32 | ynezz | hehe |
| 19:23.40 | mjr | typospot, http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html , "We even though in extra batteries", should probably be throw |
| 19:23.54 | FuzzyCat | what happened to the host mode usb cable |
| 19:24.08 | Jason1 | mhr: I saw that too. |
| 19:24.40 | SpeedEvil | RAM and 64 MB NAND Flash with an SDIO-capable microSD card. As a bonus, we |
| 19:24.47 | SpeedEvil | SDIO should prolly be deleted |
| 19:25.03 | SpeedEvil | http://openmoko.com/products-neo-base-03-hardware.html |
| 19:25.11 | koen|inverness | technically SDIO has a storage profile |
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| 19:27.09 | SpeedEvil | I thought microSD cards couldn't be SDIO |
| 19:27.27 | ynezz | thomasg_gpm: if you don't mind I'm from Czechia... |
| 19:27.50 | thomasg_gpm | ynezz, near germany? |
| 19:27.57 | ynezz | lol |
| 19:28.09 | ynezz | no it's in US |
| 19:28.09 | thomasg_gpm | I do not mean czechia, I mean the place you live in czechia :) |
| 19:28.39 | ynezz | nope, but the shipping cost is same i think |
| 19:28.55 | *** join/#openmoko gfodemesi (n=gfodemes@82-131-131-226.pool.invitel.hu) |
| 19:29.31 | FuzzyCat | well, in the main pic of the advanced kit top left corner, looks more like a standard SD card to me |
| 19:29.35 | thomasg_gpm | ah, ok. but live about 200km westwards of pilzen |
| 19:29.41 | thomasg_gpm | *but I live... |
| 19:30.02 | FuzzyCat | sandisk one |
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| 19:30.05 | idarwin | fuzzycat rtfp (fine print) - in the picture |
| 19:30.10 | ynezz | and i like 500km east from pilzen :) |
| 19:30.13 | thomasg_gpm | how much VAT is on products in czechia ynezz? |
| 19:30.33 | ynezz | 22 or 19 i think |
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| 19:31.10 | thomasg_gpm | hm, ok, we have 19% |
| 19:31.15 | Jason1 | mickeyl: When are you aiming to have the store open? |
| 19:31.32 | idarwin | he already said in a few hours, please be patient |
| 19:31.46 | Jason1 | sorry missed that part. |
| 19:32.27 | ynezz | nice website, i like it |
| 19:33.03 | *** join/#openmoko tri (n=tri@p57ADB518.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:33.11 | jeddy3 | yes, looks really nice |
| 19:33.16 | thomasg_gpm | isn't there a country in the EU with VAT under 10%? :) |
| 19:33.42 | Tricky | does anyone own a neonode 1973? |
| 19:33.45 | Aria | Better 22% VAT than 30% income tax like here |
| 19:33.50 | FuzzyCat | we should all move there then thomasg_gpm |
| 19:33.52 | FuzzyCat | :) |
| 19:34.00 | koen|inverness | only 30% tax? |
| 19:34.10 | ynezz | maybe .sk, it should be 15% |
| 19:34.13 | koen|inverness | the high footing is 50% over here |
| 19:34.17 | FuzzyCat | he means sales tax |
| 19:34.24 | alech | can someone explain the different shipping options to me? |
| 19:34.25 | sixfeet | wz pingu^ |
| 19:34.30 | FuzzyCat | not income tax koen|inverness |
| 19:34.48 | FuzzyCat | wait |
| 19:34.49 | FuzzyCat | not |
| 19:34.58 | SpeedEvil | alech: no |
| 19:34.59 | ruimoreira | is there any price on shipping to Portugal ? |
| 19:35.10 | jeddy3 | Tricky, Neonode and Neo1973 are two completely different phones from different manufacturers |
| 19:35.12 | SpeedEvil | Everyone wait a few hours. |
| 19:35.18 | Jason1 | GOT MINE ORDERED!!!!!!! |
| 19:35.20 | SpeedEvil | Then it'll be annouced. |
| 19:35.31 | Tyrael | don't load!!! |
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| 19:35.59 | homyx | check for the shop |
| 19:36.04 | Jason1 | Openmoko Online Shop - Step 3/3 (complete) |
| 19:36.05 | Jason1 | Your Order request has been processed. |
| 19:36.05 | Jason1 | You will receive a confirmation email within 24 hours. |
| 19:36.38 | CoreDump|bbl | congratulations to all new Neo owners =) |
| 19:36.40 | Basheri | oh shi- |
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| 19:37.04 | FuzzyCat | whats wordwide express? |
| 19:37.07 | CM | Sweet :) |
| 19:37.11 | slider_ | hm..would be nice if there would be some information on shipment-costs before the actual ordering-form |
| 19:37.27 | slider_ | also on payment... |
| 19:37.33 | CM | slider_: I think it's different depending on the country |
| 19:37.48 | CM | And yes, should say it's only Visa and AmEx |
| 19:37.54 | aloril | (script) planet: Jon Phillips: OpenMoko Ads http://rejon.org/2007/07/08/openmoko-ads/ |
| 19:37.55 | alech | the shipping options look like ups to me |
| 19:38.03 | ynezz | well $170 is quite a lot for me :) |
| 19:38.09 | ynezz | for shipping I mean |
| 19:38.12 | ynezz | damn |
| 19:38.15 | thomasg_gpm | hm, there are no shipping costs in the shop? |
| 19:38.24 | CM | It was 82 for me, to Sweden |
| 19:38.25 | Jason1 | My shipping 51.08 USD for next day air |
| 19:38.29 | alech | (they have "Worldwide Express", "Worldwide Saver", "Worldwide Expedited" to me |
| 19:38.45 | ynezz | how much is it to .de |
| 19:39.01 | DukeOfURL | "shop" crashed: Can't use an undefined value as an ARRAY reference at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Net/UPS.pm line 240. |
| 19:39.01 | slider_ | $71.85 USD |
| 19:39.04 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. Got no CC at the moment, so can't order that way either. |
| 19:39.07 | FuzzyCat | no colour choice? |
| 19:39.11 | koen|inverness | is that UPS speak for "pay vat once, twice or three times"? |
| 19:39.20 | mjr | aloril, hmh, want to order together to try to save on shipping? did you live in Hki? |
| 19:39.42 | jeddy3 | CM, with what kind of shipping alternative? |
| 19:39.57 | CM | jeddy3: THat was the Worldwide express |
| 19:40.03 | FuzzyCat | yay |
| 19:40.13 | CM | Looked again, was $81.04 |
| 19:40.16 | jgm | Any UK people here want to share shipping? |
| 19:40.26 | nosys | aaaaarrrgghh, why just visa and american express, why not mastercard ??? |
| 19:40.48 | mjr | any other finns around? |
| 19:40.53 | Basheri | here |
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| 19:41.13 | homyx | germans here -- wants to order together? |
| 19:41.16 | Kero | dutch ppl around perhaps? |
| 19:41.16 | thomasg_gpm | yes |
| 19:41.18 | thomasg_gpm | hi peter |
| 19:41.20 | jeddy3 | CM, you got the prices for other options? |
| 19:41.24 | thomasg_gpm | I wrote you to e-mails :) |
| 19:41.26 | nosys | french people around ? |
| 19:41.28 | thomasg_gpm | *two |
| 19:41.30 | homyx | hi |
| 19:41.41 | mjr | aloril2, yoohoo? |
| 19:41.47 | idarwin | duke, what country are you in? I suspect some countries get that if they don't have shipping info in place yet?? I got it the crash too, I'm in Canada. |
| 19:41.52 | thomasg_gpm | all germans who are interested in group purchase: go to #neo1973-germany |
| 19:41.58 | CM | jeddy3: I can't remember, but they were something like 90 and 96 USD |
| 19:42.11 | DukeOfURL | idarwin: in Colorado |
| 19:42.26 | jeddy3 | CM _saver_ is more expensive than express? :) |
| 19:42.26 | FuzzyCat | i has an order numbe :D |
| 19:42.43 | mjr | Basheri, soo. Where did you live and would you like to team up and what would you like? |
| 19:42.43 | idarwin | shoots down my theory. others are getting orders in, not us. |
| 19:42.49 | CM | jeddy3: Yes, by about 10 usd :-D |
| 19:42.52 | anrp | i have a hard time believing there have already been 1800+ orders already going by the numbers D: |
| 19:42.56 | Jason1 | FuzzyCat: awesome! me too! |
| 19:42.57 | Tyrael | the CID/CVV2 is 7 or 3 long? i put all the 7 |
| 19:43.01 | anrp | 3 |
| 19:43.01 | jeddy3 | CM hehe, okay :P |
| 19:43.06 | DukeOfURL | i entered shipping instructions and got a blank page in reply |
| 19:43.07 | FuzzyCat | 3 long |
| 19:43.25 | Tyrael | the first 4 aren't the last 4 numer of the card? |
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| 19:43.42 | Jason1 | From Sean |
| 19:43.43 | Jason1 | Dear Community! |
| 19:43.43 | Jason1 | Today is the day that we've all been waiting for: We can finally take |
| 19:43.43 | Jason1 | your order for the world's first freed phone. |
| 19:43.43 | Jason1 | Neos are waiting in customs just outside our factory in SuZhou. Early |
| 19:43.43 | Jason1 | this week, they will start their journey to FIC America in Fremont, |
| 19:43.45 | SpeedEvil | You cannot order more than 11, sorry. |
| 19:43.45 | Jason1 | California. We're sending them by air so they should arrive really fast. |
| 19:43.46 | anrp | they might be, but cvv/cvc2 is always last group of 3 digits on back |
| 19:43.47 | Jason1 | (We'll update you as soon as we know more tracking information.) |
| 19:43.49 | Jason1 | Get them while they're still hot ;-) |
| 19:43.51 | Jason1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.53 | Jason1 | Right now we only have the credit card payment option in place. Later |
| 19:43.55 | Jason1 | this week we should be able to take wire transfers. |
| 19:43.57 | Jason1 | Now, "Free Your Phone." |
| 19:43.57 | aloril2 | mjr: don't live in Helsinki |
| 19:43.59 | Jason1 | -OpenMoko / FIC |
| 19:44.22 | anrp | what, can't get more than 11 of them? |
| 19:44.23 | aloril | anrp: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:44.30 | anrp | how is it supposed to take over the world then, D: |
| 19:44.38 | mjr | aloril2, ah well |
| 19:44.41 | CM | I avoided the åäö that I have in my address to not risk a page failure on that |
| 19:44.44 | FuzzyCat | seriously, I do not want mine to be orange! |
| 19:44.58 | Basheri | mjr: Well, i can't buy one :F |
| 19:45.02 | slider_ | ahh wire-transfer. this will ease up the fact that the university is paying for my phone :) |
| 19:45.08 | mbuf | FuzzyCat, aren't you gonna change the case? |
| 19:45.13 | mjr | Basheri, righto |
| 19:45.21 | mjr | bah, maybe I'll just order away |
| 19:45.22 | FuzzyCat | anrp: if more than 11 occupy the same space the univers collapses |
| 19:45.30 | Tyrael | Your order has been |
| 19:45.31 | Tyrael | assigned an ID of [rt.internal.openmoko.org #1823]. |
| 19:45.33 | Tyrael | O_O |
| 19:45.37 | Tyrael | 1823??? |
| 19:45.43 | FuzzyCat | mbuf: what options... SpeedEvil hasn;t made them yet ;) |
| 19:45.44 | anrp | i got the one after you |
| 19:45.57 | anrp | and afaik there is no place to specify the color |
| 19:46.00 | anrp | so..? |
| 19:46.11 | cjb | Tyrael: that's a bugtracker ticket number; it includes the bug reports etc. |
| 19:46.22 | DukeOfURL | Jason1: the order page returns a blank reply |
| 19:46.22 | stefan_schmidt | Regarding high numbers. The request tracker was used before. |
| 19:46.34 | anrp | ah |
| 19:46.39 | anrp | so, I'm an "issue" |
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| 19:46.42 | anrp | alrighty then >_> |
| 19:46.44 | Basheri | mjr: You don't know how pissed i am right now, but i just don't have enough money =( |
| 19:46.44 | Tyrael | oh great... before the shop open do you know at what number it was? |
| 19:46.54 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Get them while they're still hot! |
| 19:46.57 | Jason1 | Duke:; I didnt experience that... |
| 19:47.01 | idarwin | yes, I now get a blank page too. they're getting further. |
| 19:47.16 | stefan_schmidt | Tyrael: No idea. Sorry. |
| 19:47.21 | galexande | woo my order has been processed!! |
| 19:47.26 | CM | aloril: Shouldn't we have an "P1 owner" page on the wiki now instead of the buying interest list? |
| 19:47.27 | stefan_schmidt | Tyrael: But it seems you guys are the first... |
| 19:47.30 | CM | ;) |
| 19:47.30 | SpeedEvil | counter |
| 19:47.30 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-06T13:15) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 20:06:15 (0.838±0.8 days) (1713;246) |
| 19:47.31 | Aria | Nuts. I'm getting that blank page too. |
| 19:47.44 | aloril2 | it seems advanced doesn't have host cable? |
| 19:47.47 | anrp | mm? |
| 19:47.51 | anrp | maybe i just got lucky... |
| 19:47.57 | anrp | i was 1824 |
| 19:47.58 | FuzzyCat | aloril2: I noticed that.. |
| 19:48.00 | FuzzyCat | :/ |
| 19:48.06 | minime | CM, go for it ;) |
| 19:48.11 | Jason1 | anrp: Congrats!!!! |
| 19:48.32 | minime | set opera to reload/15s.... still nothing ;( |
| 19:48.49 | Kero | #1844 |
| 19:48.51 | ljp | hmmm.. no master card |
| 19:48.57 | minime | geez here we go |
| 19:49.05 | Jason1 | from my count, about 24 have been sold. |
| 19:49.06 | minnam | hmmm... no master card?? |
| 19:49.21 | minnam | can we use VISA debit card? |
| 19:49.23 | jaebird | store crash?? |
| 19:49.33 | Jason1 | mindCrime: People have been saying Amex or Visa only |
| 19:49.46 | Jason1 | minnam: Wire transfer are coming next week |
| 19:49.47 | gcb77 | I hope its real |
| 19:50.09 | anrp | if you can use the visa debit without a pin, then yes minnam |
| 19:50.13 | Jason1 | minnam: If it has a VISA logo, my guess is that it would work |
| 19:50.16 | alech | ... just ordered :) |
| 19:50.26 | jgm | U just picked up 2, if someone is counting (#1839) |
| 19:50.29 | wigyori | i rather wonder how long it will go up tonight |
| 19:50.31 | Jason1 | alech: Awesome! |
| 19:50.31 | jgm | s/U/I/ |
| 19:50.44 | anrp | ? |
| 19:50.50 | anrp | ... wow, a sed bot |
| 19:50.57 | mjr | order request has been processed |
| 19:50.58 | alech | yes, shipping is more expensive than I thought, but what the hell ... |
| 19:51.01 | Jason1 | apt: cool. I think we started at 1820-ish |
| 19:51.16 | Jason1 | alech: its only money, right? |
| 19:51.22 | alech | right ;-) |
| 19:51.24 | Aria | Woot. US$17 for 3-day select to Colorado |
| 19:51.32 | Tyrael | stefan_schmidt: REally? |
| 19:51.32 | FuzzyCat | he who dies with the most toys wins |
| 19:51.42 | gcb77 | was least bored |
| 19:51.45 | raynet | *sigh* shipping was mighty expensive |
| 19:51.47 | FuzzyCat | Aria: wtf! |
| 19:51.56 | FuzzyCat | lol |
| 19:52.03 | anrp | mm. since the color isn't specified in the order, is the guys operating the site going to grab color prefs out of the wiki page? |
| 19:52.10 | anrp | s/is/are |
| 19:52.19 | Jason1 | Aria: I paid 51.09 for NextDay to Illinois |
| 19:52.22 | jgm | Suspect there may be a follow-up email |
| 19:52.38 | thomasg_gpm | all germans who are interested in group purchase: go to #neo1973-germany |
| 19:52.39 | jgm | anrp: malformed, try again |
| 19:52.41 | FuzzyCat | who is the shipper? |
| 19:52.45 | FuzzyCat | dhl or ups? |
| 19:52.47 | galexande | is it counting down from 2000? :) |
| 19:52.49 | anrp | ;/ it's not that important |
| 19:52.52 | anrp | 3 day select is a ups service |
| 19:52.54 | galexande | #1841 |
| 19:52.55 | Jason1 | FuzzyCat: appears to be UPS |
| 19:52.55 | anrp | so prob ups |
| 19:53.03 | Aria | Yeah, UPS |
| 19:53.11 | *** topic/#openmoko by idarwin -> OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Anyone can buy for $300, VISA or Amex only, shop is live, works for some, having issues for others, being worked on. <> Mass market in October for $450. |
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| 19:53.27 | Nalim | I paid $223.03 USD (WORLDWIDE_EXPRESS) to europe/czech republic |
| 19:53.34 | anrp | ?? |
| 19:53.36 | anrp | ouch |
| 19:53.40 | FuzzyCat | ouch |
| 19:53.46 | Jason1 | Nalim: Are you crazy ? LOL |
| 19:53.46 | FuzzyCat | cost me 114 |
| 19:53.48 | ljp | sound like fed ex prices |
| 19:54.01 | Nalim | no, i just need one :) |
| 19:54.16 | Jason1 | Nalim: dont blame you. These things are soooo cool |
| 19:54.36 | mjr | chose the most express option since the others weren't much less |
| 19:54.50 | Kero | saver was more expensive than express :) |
| 19:54.53 | Tronic | Where can I buy one? |
| 19:55.01 | mjr | galexande, bastard |
| 19:55.02 | Tronic | There's nothing on the front page. |
| 19:55.03 | galexande | tronic, openmoko.com |
| 19:55.05 | Kero | but either quite expensive :( |
| 19:55.08 | Jason1 | Tronic: http://www.openmoko.com |
| 19:55.10 | FuzzyCat | UPS Worldwide Express: |
| 19:55.10 | FuzzyCat | # Delivery by 10:30 a.m. or 12:00 noon |
| 19:55.10 | FuzzyCat | # Next business day delivery to Canada and for documents to Mexico |
| 19:55.10 | FuzzyCat | # Second business day delivery to business centers in Europe and Latin America |
| 19:55.11 | anrp | direct.openmoko.com |
| 19:55.13 | Tronic | Ah, .com |
| 19:55.17 | jgm | Group purchase would be good if you can do it, for me single Neo shipping was $77 and two Neo shipping was $84 (or something like that) |
| 19:55.20 | FuzzyCat | so, Tuesday then :) |
| 19:55.31 | stefan_schmidt | Tyrael: Sorry, really what? |
| 19:55.32 | idarwin | I suggest that nobody should slashdot the orders site until the bugs are out of the CGI (when no complaints about blank pages). |
| 19:55.44 | Jason1 | FuzzyCat: Sean saidhte devices are still sitting in customs... |
| 19:55.52 | xkr47 | boiiing |
| 19:55.55 | FuzzyCat | :O |
| 19:55.58 | FuzzyCat | Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 19:56.16 | mikesh | Nalim: ahoj, kolik te stalo postovny? tech $223?? to snad ne? |
| 19:56.18 | Jason1 | Dear Community! |
| 19:56.18 | Jason1 | Today is the day that we've all been waiting for: We can finally take |
| 19:56.18 | Jason1 | your order for the world's first freed phone. |
| 19:56.18 | Jason1 | Neos are waiting in customs just outside our factory in SuZhou. Early |
| 19:56.18 | Jason1 | this week, they will start their journey to FIC America in Fremont, |
| 19:56.19 | FuzzyCat | wait.. |
| 19:56.19 | Jason1 | California. We're sending them by air so they should arrive really fast. |
| 19:56.21 | Jason1 | (We'll update you as soon as we know more tracking information.) |
| 19:56.21 | anrp | not in the us yet, customs can be reasonably fast assuming the govt isn't intentionally delaying equip from asia |
| 19:56.23 | Jason1 | Get them while they're still hot ;-) |
| 19:56.24 | anrp | that's happened to me |
| 19:56.25 | Jason1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.27 | Jason1 | Right now we only have the credit card payment option in place. Later |
| 19:56.29 | Jason1 | this week we should be able to take wire transfers. |
| 19:56.31 | Jason1 | Now, "Free Your Phone." |
| 19:56.33 | Jason1 | -OpenMoko / FIC |
| 19:56.35 | Jason1 | Â |
| 19:56.38 | FuzzyCat | you men they shipped em to the US, and now I need to pay to ship to eu?! |
| 19:56.43 | anrp | correct |
| 19:57.06 | mjr | that sucks somewhat |
| 19:57.06 | xkr47 | there should be a counter how many units are still free! :) |
| 19:57.10 | Jason1 | FuzzyCat: seems like that they may be shippiing everything from California... |
| 19:57.16 | jgm | SpeedEvil: what's up? |
| 19:57.44 | *** topic/#openmoko by idarwin -> OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Buy now for $300, VISA/Amex only so far, from www.openmoko.com, works for some, issues for others, being worked on. <> Mass market in October for $450. |
| 19:58.03 | niels_ | Perhaps the website should contain a bigger warning saying: "This is a developer version" |
| 19:58.06 | mjr | SpeedEvil, actually the "high quality codec" probably means the audio chip |
| 19:58.15 | Tronic | Which revision of the hardware is this? |
| 19:58.28 | anrp | gta01bv4 iirc |
| 19:58.29 | SpeedEvil | jgm: doing the wiki links, and bemoaning current lack of funds. |
| 19:59.00 | Jason1 | niels_: they will find out when the unit arrives :) |
| 19:59.06 | FuzzyCat | ahh/me gos looking for an eu alumilite supplier |
| 19:59.16 | FuzzyCat | s/ahh// |
| 19:59.17 | SpeedEvil | I'd say a page requiring the user to type in "I realise this is not a phone usable by end-users" |
| 19:59.25 | SpeedEvil | would not be out of line. |
| 19:59.29 | anrp | very much, all indications so far are that it can barely make calls yet (no offense intended) |
| 19:59.31 | FuzzyCat | *nod* |
| 19:59.32 | galexande | this is just for developers?! |
| 19:59.32 | galexande | oh nos! |
| 19:59.42 | FuzzyCat | hehe |
| 19:59.59 | anrp | embedded arm though, with gps and gsm? that i could use |
| 20:00.11 | SpeedEvil | And display, and bluetooth, and USB |
| 20:00.21 | SpeedEvil | And SPI |
| 20:00.31 | anrp | and i2c, and iis, and ... |
| 20:00.34 | Tyrael | stefan_schmidt: Nothing, that seems tha I and anrp are in the first that ordered neo |
| 20:01.04 | stefan_schmidt | Tyrael: Could be. I have no access to this data. |
| 20:01.08 | mbuf | Can you also add your location? |
| 20:01.15 | anrp | is the sd card connected via a dedicated mmc/sd bus or is it using spi? |
| 20:01.25 | SpeedEvil | Dedicated |
| 20:01.26 | Jason1 | DIgg this story: http://digg.com/linux_unix/NEO1973_Phone_running_open_source_OpenMoko_software_now_available |
| 20:01.27 | Tyrael | CM: order confirmed, what means? Anathor email other than the automatic reply? |
| 20:01.50 | CM | Tyrael: Na, only automatic reply yet |
| 20:01.56 | niels_ | Jason1: Don't digg it before the website says developer version |
| 20:02.16 | niels_ | Ooopps sory |
| 20:02.16 | SrRaven | 450$ ? Thats a looooooooot |
| 20:02.22 | Basheri | nah |
| 20:02.28 | Basheri | that's cheap |
| 20:02.32 | anrp | not really, for what it is |
| 20:02.37 | anrp | it's expensive for what it isn't! |
| 20:02.40 | SrRaven | no its not,no camera |
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| 20:02.48 | Basheri | omg |
| 20:03.10 | SrRaven | thats nearly the cost of an Iphone :o |
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| 20:03.12 | anrp | er.. so the SPI bus is unused? |
| 20:03.21 | tuukkah | hello |
| 20:03.31 | SpeedEvil | anrp: there is an accessible SPI bus. It's got stuff on it, it's not unused. |
| 20:03.32 | Jason1 | niels_: right on the front page "OpenMoko is a GNU / Linux based open software development platform. Developers have full access to OpenMoko source and they can tailor their implementations to underlying hardware platforms" |
| 20:03.39 | anrp | ah |
| 20:03.52 | SpeedEvil | anrp: but you can attach other stuff to it |
| 20:03.58 | xkr47 | gaah no mastercard support |
| 20:03.58 | jaebird | Developer preview for both in the store |
| 20:03.59 | tuukkah | anyone know when i can get one without a credit card? |
| 20:03.59 | aloril | tuukkah: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 20:04.15 | SpeedEvil | anrp: actual easy solder points. And it's exposed on a debug flat panel connector. |
| 20:04.23 | mbuf | P1_Owners can you add your location as well |
| 20:04.23 | anrp | oh it's on that? nice |
| 20:04.23 | Aria | tuukkah: After a bit, they'll take wire transfers |
| 20:04.25 | Jason1 | Breaking news: |
| 20:04.26 | Jason1 | We just added MasterCard. |
| 20:04.26 | Jason1 | -Sean |
| 20:04.30 | mbuf | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 20:04.35 | xkr47 | Jason1, cooool! |
| 20:04.38 | SpeedEvil | tuukkah: pay someone here in channel with paypal. |
| 20:04.43 | tuukkah | Aria, thanks :-) |
| 20:04.47 | Aria | Wow. The mailing list is big -- I just got that email. Looks like a good 15 minutes of mailing between start and me |
| 20:04.48 | xkr47 | tuukkah, Right now we only have the credit card payment option in place. Later |
| 20:04.49 | xkr47 | this week we should be able to take wire transfers. |
| 20:04.50 | SpeedEvil | tuukkah: and hope that they send it on. |
| 20:04.52 | jaebird | Jason1 == Sean ? |
| 20:04.55 | jaebird | :) |
| 20:05.05 | cjb | xkr47: how do we choose orange vs. black case? |
| 20:05.08 | Jason1 | jaebird: no. I just read the community list |
| 20:05.19 | notserpe | on the shop is anyone else getting a blank screen after filling out 1/3? |
| 20:05.27 | *** part/#openmoko nosys (n=nosys@ARennes-351-1-7-149.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:05.31 | Aria | notserpe: I did with Epiphany, but worked with Firefox |
| 20:05.31 | anrp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.45 | anrp | i did it with safari |
| 20:05.48 | anrp | fine first time |
| 20:05.51 | Jason1 | notserpe: several people are reporting intermittent problems. |
| 20:05.54 | xkr47 | cjb, no idea :) maybe "comments" field? |
| 20:05.56 | notserpe | osx firefox is doing it, same with camino |
| 20:06.07 | thomasg_gpm | Last call: all germans who are interested in group purchase: go to #neo1973-germany |
| 20:06.08 | *** join/#openmoko tomtom (n=nosys@ARennes-351-1-7-149.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:06.15 | tomtom | Hi |
| 20:06.23 | SpeedEvil | Hi |
| 20:06.24 | anrp | safari 2.0.4/419.3 |
| 20:06.36 | Tronic | tuukkah: People in Finland should probably group order. |
| 20:06.43 | CM | mbuf: I'll add a location column |
| 20:06.49 | Tronic | The shipping fees are quite high for just one unit. |
| 20:06.55 | tuukkah | Tronic, right :-) |
| 20:06.58 | mbuf | CM, thanks |
| 20:07.05 | anrp | people have paid half the price of a unit for shipping (!) |
| 20:07.09 | SpeedEvil | Someone should make a group order page |
| 20:07.11 | ruimoreira | Tronic: quite high ? how high ? |
| 20:07.13 | raynet | now i will freeze myself and wait for my Moko to arrive. |
| 20:07.21 | DeVol | jason1; i like reddit.com more |
| 20:07.21 | tomtom | Just realized that I've ordered one with a mastercard not a visa is it possible to correct this ? |
| 20:07.21 | aloril | tomtom: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 20:07.24 | Jason1 | raynet: ROFL! |
| 20:07.36 | Aria | tomtom: Just added mastercard support. |
| 20:07.37 | Tronic | ruimoreira: Dunno, it depends on the country and I didn't check it yet. |
| 20:07.43 | ruimoreira | :) |
| 20:07.47 | ruimoreira | thks Tronic |
| 20:07.50 | andylockran | no switch... |
| 20:07.54 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[P1_Owners]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Neo1973:_GTA01Bv4_versus_GTA02_comparison]] [[IPhone_%28GTA01%29]] [[Neo1973]] [[Alternate_Neo1973_case_designs]] [[FAQ]] [[Main_Page]] [[IPhone]] |
| 20:07.59 | alech | ruimoreira: 70-something $ to germany |
| 20:08.02 | minime | lol |
| 20:08.04 | tuukkah | ruimoreira, a bit over $100 to finland |
| 20:08.06 | tomtom | Yes but I've already ordered and selected visa, possible to change this ? |
| 20:08.07 | agoode | http://digg.com/linux_unix/NEO1973_Phone_running_open_source_OpenMoko_software_now_available |
| 20:08.09 | raynet | 83 to finland |
| 20:08.20 | minime | there is #neo1973-germany for germany-orders |
| 20:08.25 | Tyrael | 71 to 77 to Italy |
| 20:08.33 | *** join/#openmoko empty_mind (n=orion@59.176.111.177) |
| 20:08.40 | Jason1 | tomtom: orders@openmoko.com , perhaps? |
| 20:08.43 | empty_mind | congrats |
| 20:08.44 | tuukkah | raynet, i didn't get that option when i tried... |
| 20:08.53 | parag0n | we shouldnt be digg and slashdotting it yet |
| 20:08.54 | tomtom | I'll try |
| 20:08.55 | xkr47 | raynet, is that 83e or $83 ? |
| 20:08.56 | sannes | raynet: where do you get that number? |
| 20:08.56 | raynet | tuukkah: which one you were trying to buy? |
| 20:08.56 | SpeedEvil | http://wikihttps://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_Order |
| 20:09.08 | xkr47 | SpeedEvil, beep! bad url! |
| 20:09.08 | tuukkah | raynet, the basic |
| 20:09.09 | parag0n | let people whove been waiting 8 months get theirs before letting the drones buy it :/ |
| 20:09.18 | raynet | basic Shipping: $81.04 USD |
| 20:09.19 | raynet | to finland |
| 20:09.32 | tuukkah | dunno |
| 20:09.35 | Vegar | wow |
| 20:09.36 | xkr47 | $81 per unit ? |
| 20:09.53 | raynet | xkr47: for one |
| 20:10.11 | *** join/#openmoko fralef (n=fralef@dsl-140-24.aei.ca) |
| 20:10.17 | sannes | raynet: oh, hehe, money, nevermind :P |
| 20:10.19 | SpeedEvil | https://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Group_Order |
| 20:10.21 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.27 | xkr47 | better :) |
| 20:10.28 | minnam | why so huge shipping costs |
| 20:10.31 | andylockran | woo - ordered one... |
| 20:10.36 | xkr47 | andylockran, cg!! |
| 20:10.58 | mbuf | WORLDWIDE_EXPEDITED, USD $140.97? |
| 20:10.59 | sannes | For the advanced kit to Norway $127.12 for shipping |
| 20:11.00 | summatusmentis | anyone have $300 they wanna give me? |
| 20:11.27 | mbuf | sannes, where in Norway? |
| 20:11.35 | sannes | summatusmentis: of course, to do the transaction you first have to send me ... :P |
| 20:11.36 | raynet | i will exchange my Nokia 2110 for OpenMoko |
| 20:11.39 | xkr47 | should we collect the shipping costs in the wiki ? |
| 20:11.40 | sannes | mbuf: Oslo |
| 20:11.49 | summatusmentis | sannes: :-D |
| 20:11.50 | xkr47 | raynet, :D |
| 20:11.55 | xkr47 | raynet, you should get two :D |
| 20:11.56 | FuzzyCat | xkr47: good idea |
| 20:11.56 | mbuf | sannes, i see |
| 20:12.07 | empty_mind | mbuf worlwide expedirted @ $114.29 USD in Delhi |
| 20:12.14 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: Store info - shipping costs, credit card support |
| 20:12.28 | empty_mind | mbuf: looks like chennai has special cost |
| 20:12.30 | ecraven | ah, i really hope there will always be a neo1973 version without a camera! |
| 20:12.30 | sannes | mbuf: Was for the WORLDWIDE_EXPEDITED .. heh |
| 20:12.46 | mbuf | empty_mind, its 0130 IST, you gotta hit the sack |
| 20:13.06 | empty_mind | mbuf: i was about to hit my credit card |
| 20:13.11 | FuzzyCat | Neo Advanced UPS Service: WORLDWIDE_EXPRESS Shipping: $114.35 USD to .nl |
| 20:13.33 | xkr47 | mickey_away, good night :) |
| 20:13.38 | galexande | i almost feel guilty living in the us |
| 20:13.39 | empty_mind | but the this transaction is impossible for me as totla amount exceeds my total credit card limit |
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| 20:13.46 | galexande | but, hey, it's gotta be a good deal sometimes |
| 20:13.49 | FuzzyCat | galexande: you should... |
| 20:14.01 | FuzzyCat | I just paid for your shipping |
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| 20:16.21 | niels_ | Paraguay should be the most expensive country to ship to: http://www.zefrank.com/sandwich/tool.html |
| 20:16.30 | xkr47 | should we start an irc channel for group shopping ? |
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| 20:17.09 | empty_mind | man they need to bring down the shipping price. Shipping cost is more than a standard cellphone |
| 20:17.11 | notserpe | safari on osx worked. |
| 20:17.20 | PBeck | hi |
| 20:17.26 | tuukkah | xkr47, #openmoko-fi |
| 20:17.37 | *** join/#openmoko zipola (n=zipola@zip.kortex.jyu.fi) |
| 20:17.39 | xkr47 | jehna |
| 20:17.51 | raynet | empty_mind: isnt freedom worth more than all the money in the world? :) |
| 20:17.51 | PBeck | it is there :D the neo is released <= very cool ^^ |
| 20:18.09 | Vegar | empty_mind: that must be a contracted phone |
| 20:18.23 | Viko | I'm so excited to see what you guys can make the neo do in the time before I buy my GTA02. |
| 20:18.34 | jaebird | i wonder when the shop will be 100% open...i still get the blank page :( |
| 20:18.38 | anrp | standard cell = subsidized, be careful about comparing to them |
| 20:18.44 | anrp | in the us |
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| 20:19.02 | tuukkah | zipola, are you ordering phones to jyväskylä? |
| 20:19.02 | *** join/#openmoko DukeOfURL_ (n=chatzill@166.129.249.187) |
| 20:19.14 | raynet | 100USD would probably get the cheapest Nokia there is |
| 20:19.23 | anrp | probably |
| 20:19.26 | anrp | but it'd be terrible |
| 20:19.42 | anrp | well, again, probably |
| 20:19.47 | raynet | you could make calls with it |
| 20:19.51 | anrp | shh |
| 20:19.52 | raynet | what else do you need :) |
| 20:20.19 | zipola | tuukkah, I'm skipping GPA01 since I don't have 1000 euro for both of them and I'd really like to have WLAN. |
| 20:20.47 | CM | xkr47: Have you made the shipping cost page yet? |
| 20:20.55 | Hantilles | yepp, me to |
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| 20:21.03 | xkr47 | CM, no |
| 20:21.06 | xkr47 | whois CM |
| 20:21.06 | tuukkah | zipola, how do you get to 1000 euro ?-) |
| 20:21.08 | xkr47 | oops :) |
| 20:21.11 | CM | :P |
| 20:21.36 | CM | Trevligt! |
| 20:21.38 | notserpe | i agree with a large "this is a developer release" there has been alot of hype and perhaps some developers will miss out on phones because some confused, end users will buy them. |
| 20:21.49 | CM | Hyvää ilta ;) |
| 20:22.05 | *** part/#openmoko minnam (n=srikanth@dsl-olugw6-fe7afa00-207.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 20:22.33 | fralef | Sorry guys, I just joined? Is the online shop already open? Looks like I can't get to step 2!?! |
| 20:22.42 | Tricky | if it had an 800x width screen i would have bought it |
| 20:22.49 | Hantilles | fralef: test another browser |
| 20:22.51 | Aria | fralef: some issues remain. I got past it by switching browsers |
| 20:22.55 | raynet | notserpe: the order should have been in the form a c-program you have to compile to finish the ordering procedure |
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| 20:23.04 | SpeedEvil | zipola: it's closing on 1000 dollars - for 2 dev phones. Much less in euro |
| 20:23.04 | zipola | tuukkah, 750 rounds to 1000 :P |
| 20:23.06 | anrp | that would be mean |
| 20:23.09 | xkr47 | what browsers work ? |
| 20:23.09 | zilt | grr.. I can't get past step 1 in the order - it just goes to a blank page. I've now tried with Firefox under windows and linux |
| 20:23.10 | Tricky | we also need this to work with AT&T Live Video Share |
| 20:23.13 | Basheri | works with konqueror <3 |
| 20:23.18 | tuukkah | zipola, 2*300 USD, 441 EUR |
| 20:23.19 | raynet | SpeedEvil: plus ALV |
| 20:23.24 | CM | mbuf: I have 21, and that was just a few minutes ago |
| 20:23.31 | CM | mbuf: 1821 that is |
| 20:24.01 | CM | zilt: It worked fine with ff for me a few minutes ago |
| 20:24.04 | mbuf | CM, type, mine is 1878, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 20:24.22 | zipola | Now that I'm looking at the site, I'm tempted :) |
| 20:24.22 | mbuf | CM, typo |
| 20:24.25 | SpeedEvil | So - 60ish/hour |
| 20:24.33 | empty_mind | who should i write to for transaction problem ? |
| 20:24.50 | guerby | got the email :) |
| 20:24.54 | empty_mind | i mean is it possible to do transaction in two steps one for phone and one for shipping ? |
| 20:24.55 | Tricky | anyone know if we can get it to work with AT&T Live Video Share? |
| 20:25.02 | xkr47 | what does 1878 mean? you are number 1878 in the queue ?-P |
| 20:25.15 | anrp | internal support ticket number |
| 20:25.18 | tuukkah | zipola, #openmoko-fi |
| 20:25.18 | anrp | issue tracker |
| 20:25.21 | SpeedEvil | Tricky: if you want to implement it - sure. If it doesn't require support from AT&T |
| 20:25.46 | xkr47 | ok |
| 20:25.49 | anrp | its an odd way to set up a web shop, but for limited distribution it probably is fine |
| 20:26.03 | xkr47 | :) |
| 20:26.08 | Vegar | mbuf: norsk? |
| 20:26.15 | Tricky | i dont know if it does or doesnt ,, let me ask this .. is there a way to send a data stream to the other phone during a call |
| 20:26.22 | andylockran | can anyone provide me with a link of neo's in the real world? |
| 20:26.30 | *** join/#openmoko PBeck (n=PBeck@HSI-KBW-091-089-102-236.hsi2.kabelbw.de) |
| 20:26.34 | anrp | if the gsm chipset supports alternate data streams |
| 20:26.39 | anrp | no idea if it does, its a pretty high end feature |
| 20:26.42 | mbuf | Vegar, yes |
| 20:26.48 | SpeedEvil | Tricky: no |
| 20:26.51 | CM | ~lart wireless keyboards |
| 20:26.51 | apt | takes a big bite out of wireless keyboards's jugular vein |
| 20:26.54 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: Store info - shipping costs, credit card support |
| 20:27.08 | *** part/#openmoko optiq (n=Mike@c-69-140-200-140.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 20:27.33 | andylockran | Jason1: Thanks for this phone - fantastic work! |
| 20:27.36 | *** join/#openmoko ewanm89_ (n=ewanm89@86.154.5.152) |
| 20:27.38 | Tricky | ok that rules on video share .. video share is a feature that lets you send live video to the person you are talking to (and vide versa) |
| 20:27.41 | mbuf | CM, i think it was started from 1800 |
| 20:27.49 | Tricky | rules out |
| 20:27.50 | ruimoreira | does anyone know how much time it takes in average to ship one neo ? |
| 20:27.54 | anrp | its unlikely to work with gprs |
| 20:27.58 | anrp | so ... probably not |
| 20:27.58 | ecraven | ah, after looking at openmoko.com and openmoko.org, october seems so long! |
| 20:27.59 | Jason1 | andylockran: No need to thank me. I have no affilation with FIC/OpenMoko |
| 20:28.38 | alech | ruimoreira: probably depend on the shipping option. apparently, the neos still have to be shipped to the us, first, though. |
| 20:28.42 | mjr | anrp, although, one could manage it if one happens to be in a BT/WiFi (for GTA02) access point's coverage |
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| 20:28.58 | anrp | true, but gsm coverage >> wifi |
| 20:29.11 | Basheri | ecraven: no shit :DDD |
| 20:29.20 | mjr | anrp, of course, just saying that it could still be useful where circumstances allow |
| 20:29.26 | anrp | mm |
| 20:29.26 | k|to | w00t |
| 20:29.43 | anrp | i do wonder if t-mobile us will say how to implement the wifi/gsm handoff protocols |
| 20:29.46 | anrp | that'd be neat |
| 20:29.47 | Basheri | the website is so pretty, unlike usually on open source -projects =) |
| 20:29.53 | Basheri | *in |
| 20:29.53 | guerby | if there's a webmaster around: on http://www.openmoko.com/press-index.html |
| 20:30.03 | mbuf | CM, i have a colleague, friend from Göteborg, now on vacation though |
| 20:30.05 | xkr47 | CM which browser did you use to order ? |
| 20:30.07 | mjr | anrp, one can be pretty sure that, well, no |
| 20:30.09 | guerby | the link "Openmoko goes live" is probably not correct (points to the same page) |
| 20:30.20 | anrp | D: |
| 20:31.08 | anrp | one can hope |
| 20:31.30 | ruimoreira | can't hardly w8t :D |
| 20:31.32 | anrp | one can hope to be disappointed in their disappointment! |
| 20:31.56 | FuzzyCat | :) |
| 20:32.26 | CM | xkr47: Firefox |
| 20:32.36 | andylockran | Do the phones have serial numbers on them to show that we're one of the first owners? |
| 20:32.37 | xkr47 | DukeOfURL_, did you try with firefox or what ? |
| 20:32.50 | CM | mbuf: It's a nice city. Only been living here for 3 years |
| 20:32.53 | anrp | the first owners are phase 0 D: |
| 20:33.05 | k|to | ooh, if they have serial numbers I've got to get my order in now! |
| 20:33.07 | k|to | :D |
| 20:33.10 | DukeOfURL_ | both ff and safari do the same thing--blank reply after the first page |
| 20:33.19 | mbuf | CM, cool |
| 20:33.27 | zilt | well - still no luck here - I've tried FF on Windows and Linux, IE on Windows and even links2 under linux - all end up at a blank page after step 1 |
| 20:33.30 | CM | DukeOfURL_: I suspect the cgi page on the server |
| 20:33.37 | k|to | Duke:which page? I'm on mac... |
| 20:33.40 | DukeOfURL_ | yup |
| 20:33.43 | anrp | too many people want it |
| 20:33.48 | anrp | the horror .. |
| 20:33.54 | ScaredyCat | hehe fux# |
| 20:34.03 | ScaredyCat | fox |
| 20:34.11 | CM | Assuming the order number is sequential, it was at least 57 orders in 5 minutes since I ordered mine |
| 20:34.28 | fralef | just tried to order with FF and mozilla on ubuntu and IE on XP, none have worked... the problem must be server related? |
| 20:34.37 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 20:34.40 | ScaredyCat | methinks |
| 20:34.44 | xkr47 | anrp, :) |
| 20:35.08 | xkr47 | the one with the most reload clicks wins |
| 20:35.20 | anrp | tragedy of the commons ;/ |
| 20:35.43 | CM | I just filled in the fields and pushed next. Not a hitch on the first try. |
| 20:35.55 | anrp | yeah, you got in before the crowds :o |
| 20:35.56 | guerby | does someone knows what company handles delivery in Europe (France)? UPS ? |
| 20:35.59 | DeVol | any idea how many stage 1 units have been produced? |
| 20:36.01 | homyx | does anyone know s.th. about the carkit |
| 20:36.06 | anrp | 900? |
| 20:36.07 | zilt | CM - did you fill in the billing info - or left it blank? |
| 20:36.10 | anrp | it was in the email lists a bit back |
| 20:36.14 | CoreDump | soooo, how many neos are up for grabs anyway? |
| 20:36.18 | k|to | $71 for shipping! |
| 20:36.18 | CM | zilt: I filled it in, visa card |
| 20:36.22 | alech | guerby: the ordering options smell like ups ... |
| 20:36.22 | anrp | i filled both bits in |
| 20:36.23 | cesarb | what are you all talking about... <force-reloads the site>... oh, I see, firefox had it cached :P |
| 20:36.27 | guerby | alech, thanks |
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| 20:36.39 | CM | homyx: I'd really like that car neo-holder too |
| 20:36.46 | Tyrael | k|to: where are you from? |
| 20:36.47 | zilt | CM - on step 1? There's no space for a credit card #? |
| 20:36.55 | anrp | its on page 2 |
| 20:36.59 | CM | zilt: Ah, no. I just left it blank, |
| 20:37.02 | DeVol | safari/firefox tend to cache more aggressive than IE |
| 20:37.03 | anrp | after you submit location info |
| 20:37.04 | k|to | US, but I tried having it shipped to me here in Germany |
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| 20:37.08 | anrp | shipping/cost is on same page as cc |
| 20:37.11 | CM | That billing address is the same as the order address |
| 20:37.18 | k|to | I guess I'll have to wait until I get back to the states :( |
| 20:37.58 | zilt | hmm.. same here - I guess I'll just keep pressing "Submit Data" until something happens :) |
| 20:38.09 | k|to | funny how saver costs more than expedited |
| 20:38.18 | minime | there is #neo1973-germany for germany-orders |
| 20:38.20 | guerby | hmmm I assume one has to pay VAT too outside USA |
| 20:38.35 | anrp | there's no vat in the us .. so ? |
| 20:38.42 | anrp | (curious) |
| 20:39.06 | k|to | minime: yea, but then I'd have to try my humble german speaking skills :) |
| 20:39.06 | guerby | anrp, so since I'm in France I'll have to pay 19.6% some way, may be on UPS delivery |
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| 20:39.29 | anrp | yeah, usually the shipping company will perforum the "courtesy" of charging it |
| 20:39.30 | ScaredyCat | counter |
| 20:39.30 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-06T13:15) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 19:40:14 (0.820±0.8 days) (1714;246) |
| 20:39.32 | minime | talk to them in english, there is a polish guy to, i think |
| 20:39.32 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 20:39.41 | guerby | anrp, and IIRC UPS asks for a fee in addition to VAT |
| 20:39.44 | anrp | unless you can get it labelec as something it isn't (gift, sample, etc) |
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| 20:40.16 | raynet | anrp: it could be labeled: free |
| 20:40.22 | anrp | and why would you want to deny the government their hard earned dollars D: </sarcasm> |
| 20:40.26 | guerby | anrp, since it's UPS I'll get it delivered where I work |
| 20:40.36 | SpeedEvil | raynet: and FIC would be committing fraud |
| 20:40.48 | guerby | anrp, but I guess I'll wait for the first people to receive it in Europe to know what to do |
| 20:40.54 | guerby | ray, :) |
| 20:40.58 | guerby | raynet, :) |
| 20:40.59 | raynet | SpeedEvil: well, the GSM part isnt free but rest of it is free |
| 20:41.05 | ynezz | :)) |
| 20:41.07 | anrp | they'll know its not free |
| 20:41.18 | *** part/#openmoko jgm (n=jgm@host-87-74-179-156.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 20:41.22 | anrp | you might get away with a declared value of $50-100 but like se said, that's fraud |
| 20:41.22 | raynet | mostly-free then |
| 20:41.38 | cesarb | Is it just me that is seeing three "read more" orange buttons spilling over the text of the right-hand column? |
| 20:41.48 | mbuf | need to hit the sack, been a long day; catch you guyz later, have a nice evening/night/morning/afternoon |
| 20:41.49 | SpeedEvil | 20:45 <Tyrael> assigned an ID of [rt.internal.openmoko.org #1823]. |
| 20:41.53 | SpeedEvil | 21:23 ð mbuf/#openmoko #1878 |
| 20:42.41 | SpeedEvil | So 1/min or so |
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| 20:43.50 | ScaredyCat | aren't computer parts excempt from eu VAT ? |
| 20:44.01 | ScaredyCat | exempt |
| 20:44.03 | koen|inverness | heh |
| 20:44.06 | koen|inverness | you wish |
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| 20:44.22 | ScaredyCat | I thought they were... for import ... |
| 20:44.30 | cesarb | wtf, the picture for the "microsd card" is a picture of the _adapter_ instead of the card itself? |
| 20:44.36 | ScaredyCat | which is why sony wanted the playstation classes as acomputer |
| 20:44.43 | anrp | for the UK |
| 20:44.48 | anrp | that might be uk specific though |
| 20:44.52 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 20:45.08 | doc|home | ScaredyCat: general computing devices get a tax break over leisure computing devices such as consoles |
| 20:45.19 | doc|home | not sure of the details beyond that |
| 20:45.44 | andylockran | anyone used an 8GB miniSD card with the neo yet? |
| 20:45.53 | minime | isn't it microSD? |
| 20:45.53 | anrp | mini? thought it was micro |
| 20:46.01 | anrp | only up to 2gb micro out so far |
| 20:46.03 | anrp | no sdhc yet |
| 20:46.05 | andylockran | oh, ok |
| 20:46.10 | alech | does anyone know if one can easily buy/build the USB host cable? That's the only thing I'd like to have in addition to the basic pack and IMHO it is no reason to pay 150$ ;-) |
| 20:46.10 | minime | yeah, thats what i thought |
| 20:46.15 | Tyrael | sure? I read of samsung 8GB |
| 20:46.21 | anrp | sampling |
| 20:46.24 | anrp | not for sale yet |
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| 20:46.27 | Tyrael | ah |
| 20:46.27 | Aria | Building one should be easy, alech |
| 20:46.28 | alech | What's the big difference to the normal USB cable anyways? |
| 20:46.46 | Aria | Host mode means having an A connector at the other end. |
| 20:46.52 | Aria | A nonstandard A-miniA cable. |
| 20:47.02 | ScaredyCat | and a resistor? |
| 20:47.09 | alech | Aria: OK, so shouldn't a 'gender changer' be enough? |
| 20:47.10 | doc|home | anyone got a photo of one of these in someone's hand? for comparison purposes. |
| 20:47.19 | alech | (if there is such a thing in the USB world ...?) |
| 20:47.22 | zilt | Still no luck getting past Step 1 in the order - tried with 4 different browsers :( I've sent an email to sales. |
| 20:47.25 | Aria | Not positive. I'd have to read some docs, but USB cabling isn't rocket science |
| 20:47.40 | jaebird | zilt: same here |
| 20:47.40 | cesarb | alech: gender changers are not allowed by the USB standard |
| 20:47.49 | anrp | a to a male is disallowed |
| 20:47.50 | cesarb | alech: but then, neither is the "host cable"... |
| 20:47.55 | anrp | a male to a female is ok |
| 20:48.01 | anrp | so mini-a-male to a-female is alright |
| 20:48.08 | guerby | anrp, I ordered anyway :) |
| 20:48.20 | anrp | i own an a-male to a-male connector though.. |
| 20:48.26 | anrp | came with some set of usb speakers |
| 20:48.30 | anrp | wtf were they thinking ~_~ |
| 20:48.31 | alech | ok ... |
| 20:49.06 | anrp | so that would be a yes! |
| 20:49.12 | anrp | executive summary |
| 20:49.13 | alech | so it looks like one could attach a keyboard with a power usb hub, then, right? |
| 20:49.17 | CoreDump | for anyone curious: The Zaurus host-cable will _not_ fit into the neo |
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| 20:49.41 | anrp | yes, with no mods if the hub does not do host power detection |
| 20:49.43 | mjr | alech, probably, if the hub will talk to Neo's unpowered host (some may not) |
| 20:49.59 | zilt | jaebird: hmmm... the email I sent to sales at openmoko just got rejected.. what is going on? |
| 20:50.02 | carrar | yeah I forgot to mention color also |
| 20:50.03 | mjr | alech, though, frankly, a BT keyboard seems to me like a less clunky solution |
| 20:50.05 | alech | ok, well, they're cheap enough to try some out :) |
| 20:50.20 | alech | mjr: hmmm, right, but probably a good deal more expensive |
| 20:50.21 | xkr47 | alech, someone on the news told something about a headset choice as well... what's that |
| 20:50.43 | alech | xkr47: no idea!? |
| 20:51.06 | SpeedEvil | zilt: worked for me - though I diddn't complete the order. |
| 20:51.07 | mjr | xkr47, the pics showed a black and a white headset, I presume the black goes with B/S Neo, while the white with W/O Neo, but guesswork it is |
| 20:51.10 | aloril | some "testing orders" if numbers at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners are any indication ;-) |
| 20:51.17 | xkr47 | mjr, sounds sensible |
| 20:51.30 | SpeedEvil | zilt: privmsg me your CC details and address :) |
| 20:51.30 | ljp | they added mastercard |
| 20:51.47 | zilt | SpeedEvil: heh |
| 20:51.52 | jaebird | SpeedEvil: nice |
| 20:52.02 | alech | mjr: damnit, I forgot that. |
| 20:52.04 | aaafg | onnenpark.at |
| 20:52.44 | alech | and the openmoko mailserver hasn't come back yet after my greylisting ... |
| 20:53.01 | anrp | i just hope they'll look at the potential buyers page |
| 20:53.07 | anrp | i didn't specify anything, didn't think of it.. |
| 20:53.14 | anrp | i do want it, but ... orange ... |
| 20:53.30 | ScaredyCat | reply to your order email |
| 20:53.35 | alech | anrp: but how would they figure out which nick is who ...? |
| 20:53.47 | anrp | same across my email and wiki |
| 20:53.54 | alech | ScaredyCat: still on openmoko.com's mailservers (hopefully) |
| 20:53.57 | anrp | i should probably email, i have a couple days before it gets to cali anyway though |
| 20:54.13 | ScaredyCat | ahh k |
| 20:54.25 | Tyrael | I go to bed. Goog Night/Morning/Afternoon (take the one correct for your timezone) ;-) |
| 20:54.54 | xkr47 | how did you find out the different cost alternatives ? you filled in some foobar info in the fields or you placed an actual order ? |
| 20:55.03 | xkr47 | Tyrael, gub :) |
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| 20:55.40 | *** part/#openmoko Tyrael (n=tyrael@213-140-6-114.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 20:56.35 | anrp | bitchx has an attitude problem |
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| 20:56.54 | aloril | (script) openmoko-announce: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> [openmoko-announce] Get them while they're still hot! |
| 20:57.15 | ynezz | eh |
| 20:59.35 | guerby | hmm how much time before the order confirmation email is sent? |
| 21:00.10 | CoreDump | It is good to finally see the community being kick-started |
| 21:00.10 | xkr47 | guerby, frequently asked question, I'm sure :D |
| 21:00.21 | guerby | xkr47, :) |
| 21:00.23 | osmosis | CoreDump: yah, the checkin logs are cool |
| 21:00.25 | k|to | how long before they cool down? I don't want mine to be cold when it gets here |
| 21:00.41 | xkr47 | osmosis, heh.. |
| 21:00.42 | guerby | xkr47, some got their numbers already http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners |
| 21:00.46 | anrp | thats why you pay the big bucks for next day early am |
| 21:00.50 | anrp | ;o |
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| 21:02.41 | ynezz | Nalim: hm, skoda ze uz jsi objednal :) |
| 21:03.42 | aloril | counter_msg (last update 2007-07-08 20:59) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order at http://openmoko.com |
| 21:03.42 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to (last update 2007-07-08 20:59) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order at http://openmoko.com |
| 21:03.55 | aloril | counter |
| 21:03.55 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-08 20:59) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order at http://openmoko.com (1715;246) |
| 21:04.14 | aloril | finally counter was right ;-) |
| 21:04.22 | woglinde | yeah |
| 21:04.26 | woglinde | shop is open |
| 21:05.42 | galexande | so it looks like on the order of 60 orders in the first hour? |
| 21:05.49 | anrp | abouts ya |
| 21:05.58 | anrp | lot of people had trouble ordering tho |
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| 21:06.11 | anrp | so it would have been more |
| 21:06.12 | galexande | that's pretty crazyy, we might really go thorugh the first 1000 in the first week |
| 21:06.18 | osmosis | I was going to get one, but now I realize since I wont be doing any development I should probably just wait to the consumer one comes out in October. |
| 21:06.42 | anrp | i kinda doubt that... |
| 21:06.46 | galexande | osmosis, why not dev it? :) |
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| 21:07.01 | anrp | assuming that only 1/3 of the people intending to buy it are here right now that still puts it under 1k |
| 21:07.09 | XXLT | shipping is from asia? |
| 21:07.10 | anrp | and i think most of the people who intend to buy it are here |
| 21:07.14 | anrp | shipping from ca, usa |
| 21:07.16 | galexande | anrp, could be |
| 21:07.17 | osmosis | galexande: would be cool. im sticking to django web development though. that keeps me too busy already. |
| 21:07.22 | cesarb | anrp: some people dislike irc |
| 21:07.32 | anrp | true |
| 21:07.33 | cesarb | anrp: and just wait till slashdot sees it |
| 21:07.34 | anrp | but 66%? |
| 21:07.38 | galexande | but i just coincidentally learned about this thing two weeks before release...i'm sure there will be a lot of excited developers only learning about it from our recent diggings and slashdottings |
| 21:07.38 | anrp | yeah.. |
| 21:07.43 | guerby | anrp, you got your number I see :) |
| 21:07.48 | anrp | then it'll get warped beyond recognition |
| 21:07.55 | anrp | zonkism ftl |
| 21:08.08 | XXLT | so i will have to pay customs on it :/ |
| 21:08.15 | anrp | most likely |
| 21:08.15 | osmosis | galexande: So no point buying a dev model right now that isnt going to have the 3d hardware or 802.11b. Might as well just wait another 3 months. |
| 21:08.20 | XXLT | yeah |
| 21:08.28 | anrp | its up to you |
| 21:08.37 | anrp | gta02 is faster as well |
| 21:08.50 | anrp | and a spice shaker interface would be interesting to try out to say the least |
| 21:08.52 | osmosis | i want it so bad i was on the edge about just getting the dev model to have for few months. :) |
| 21:09.14 | osmosis | how are people developing right now without any hardware ? |
| 21:09.16 | cesarb | I'm just wondering how will the 60% import tax be paid... Will the carrier get the money when delivering the package, or do I have to add it to the price somewhere in the page? (/me never ordered anything from outside the country) |
| 21:09.27 | anrp | the carrier will add it |
| 21:09.37 | galexande | osmosis, some small group has hardware... |
| 21:09.41 | cesarb | anrp: in the order page? |
| 21:09.42 | osmosis | was there a delay in getting 802.11b for the P1? |
| 21:09.48 | galexande | in general, most of the apps will just run on normal X without any help. |
| 21:09.49 | anrp | no |
| 21:09.51 | osmosis | galexande: are those the only developers ? |
| 21:09.56 | anrp | the delivery company will contact you wanting payment |
| 21:09.58 | anrp | most likely |
| 21:10.12 | galexande | osmosis, well hopefully we'll be abble to uh leverage a bunch of existing open source apps :) |
| 21:10.56 | ScaredyCat | 60% cesarb? |
| 21:11.09 | galexande | like there's a small group of people working on making webkit play with a moko-themed UI and small screen, but the real work is the ?thousands? of external developers who already wrote webkit |
| 21:11.13 | anrp | maybe there's local industry protections in place |
| 21:11.15 | Aria | Yeah, most of the apps run on regular X. I'm running 'em now (I packaged 'em for my distro even) |
| 21:11.18 | zilt | I'm giving up for a bit - I've pressed that "Submit Data" button dozens of times now - and all I get is a blnak page. Maybe it'll work after dinner |
| 21:11.27 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: if I read the government web pages correctly, yes... |
| 21:11.28 | anrp | try the force reload zilt? |
| 21:11.34 | anrp | all the modifier keys + click reload |
| 21:11.39 | ScaredyCat | holy crap - where do you like |
| 21:11.42 | galexande | zilt, have you tried submitting slightly bogus information to narrow down which selection causes trouble? |
| 21:11.42 | ScaredyCat | live |
| 21:11.49 | galexande | maybe it doesn't like your country, or your address contains extended ascii? |
| 21:12.03 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: but then, it's a "generic" tax for things imported by mail... it might be possible to somehow get the tax specific for the kind of item, but I didn't find how to do it |
| 21:12.19 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: (so, it's probably the highest of the possible import taxes) |
| 21:12.32 | ScaredyCat | ouch |
| 21:12.32 | galexande | customs can be made somewhat easier if the sender will declare an unrealistically low value |
| 21:12.35 | zilt | anrp: yup - done that. Unless Canada is exotic, it should be fine. Address is a bog standard Road. |
| 21:12.40 | aloril | orders / nicks on [[P1_Owners]] page: factor of 5-6x |
| 21:12.42 | anrp | a Road, eh? |
| 21:12.58 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: Brazil... electronic things tend to be kinda expensive here, and you can see why ;-) |
| 21:13.11 | anrp | don't really know what it is then, sorry |
| 21:13.16 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: (unless they are manufactured in the Zona Franca de Manaus) |
| 21:13.20 | anrp | brazil? |
| 21:13.21 | *** topic/#openmoko by idarwin -> OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Buy now for $300, from www.openmoko.com. <> Mass market in October for $450. |
| 21:13.22 | notserpe | zilt: where you at? |
| 21:13.25 | anrp | that would make sense |
| 21:13.31 | anrp | there's some animosity between the us and brazil |
| 21:13.34 | ScaredyCat | take a holiday to somewhere and get it deliverered to the hotel |
| 21:13.43 | jaebird | zilt: for me it was spelling out Texas that caused the problem TX works fine |
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| 21:13.54 | anrp | since brazil (fully within their rights) is treating american citizens the way the us treats brazilian citizens |
| 21:14.02 | cesarb | anrp: what does us have to do with it? that tax isn't us-specific... |
| 21:14.12 | galexande | at least they aren't treating brazilian citizens the way the us treats us citizens |
| 21:14.16 | zilt | jaebird: hmm.. I'll try ON instead ofor Ontario (Ottawa) |
| 21:14.17 | anrp | so they might have slapped a large import tariff on us goods |
| 21:14.26 | guerby | aloril, don't have my order number yet :< |
| 21:14.43 | sagacis | I had no problem, but I used TX for the state. |
| 21:14.47 | sagacis | Good error reporting, eh? |
| 21:14.48 | aloril | sagacis: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 21:14.57 | galexande | it looks like I'm order #20 or so, it would be nice if my neo had "0020" engraved on it somewhere or something :) |
| 21:15.07 | aloril | well, no doubt will not sell out before it hits some major site |
| 21:15.10 | anrp | see if someone near you has a laser cutter |
| 21:15.14 | aloril | after that... we will see ;-) |
| 21:15.14 | ScaredyCat | but they're not us goods, they're tw goods |
| 21:15.21 | anrp | they're coming from the us, though |
| 21:15.22 | sagacis | I'm order #1912, from 20 minutes ago |
| 21:15.22 | cesarb | http://www.receita.fazenda.gov.br/Aduana/rts.htm (portuguese only, unfortunately) |
| 21:15.23 | galexande | heh i could probably use one of my dremel attachments to etch |
| 21:15.29 | anrp | so as far as the govt cares, its a us good |
| 21:15.39 | khester | yay - just ordered mine! |
| 21:15.46 | xkr47 | page 2/3 loads fine for me |
| 21:15.50 | xkr47 | was quick too |
| 21:16.10 | zilt | Nope - "ON" for Ontario didn't do anything... I'll try in an hour or so.. food time. |
| 21:16.14 | ml8128 | I get a blank page instead of step 2 :' |
| 21:16.15 | ml8128 | :( |
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| 21:16.55 | idarwin | try completely restarting your browser, or use a different browser. I switched to Konqueror from Firefox and got a order confirmation |
| 21:17.05 | galexande | i used firefox no problemo |
| 21:17.14 | ScaredyCat | firefox has a nasty habit of caching stuff |
| 21:17.16 | khester | i'm order #1929 btw |
| 21:17.22 | galexande | so that's >100 |
| 21:17.22 | idarwin | I used ON for Ontario and no problemo :-) |
| 21:17.23 | anrp | up, and up, and up D: |
| 21:17.34 | jaebird | 1932 |
| 21:17.37 | anrp | that would make over 100 |
| 21:17.37 | jaebird | woohoo |
| 21:17.37 | guerby | galexande, no problem with firefox too. Except I don't have my confirmation email yet... |
| 21:17.38 | anrp | at least |
| 21:17.45 | sagacis | Where did the number start? |
| 21:17.51 | anrp | earliest known is 1821 |
| 21:17.51 | ScaredyCat | -7 |
| 21:17.52 | galexande | segacis, ~1821 |
| 21:19.09 | ml8128 | idarwin: same with konqueror... |
| 21:19.26 | aloril | from ML: "Please remember, the phones are still going through customs in Suzhou China. Our original projected shipping date is July 16th. Depending how smooth the phones get through customs, this could be pushed back a day or two. We hope all of you can understand. " |
| 21:19.29 | sagacis | Cool. Within the first 100. Do we know how many are shipping to CA? |
| 21:19.35 | anrp | all of them? |
| 21:19.41 | anrp | its around 900 |
| 21:19.41 | jaebird | sagacis: yo |
| 21:19.54 | ScaredyCat | WTF |
| 21:20.06 | sagacis | jaebird: yo back |
| 21:20.24 | jaebird | did the ground ship option |
| 21:20.24 | woglinde | wau |
| 21:20.42 | jaebird | since they won't actually ship till the 16th |
| 21:20.46 | tomtom | good night all |
| 21:20.47 | zilt | wow - "On" and "Ontario" didn't work, but "ON" worked!?!? that's messed up. Anyways - order finally worked! |
| 21:20.50 | *** part/#openmoko tomtom (n=nosys@ARennes-351-1-7-149.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:20.53 | ewon | \o/ |
| 21:20.56 | jaebird | zilt: yay |
| 21:21.12 | osmosis | how thick is the phone ? |
| 21:21.16 | anrp | 18mm |
| 21:21.17 | osmosis | they don't have any profile shots. |
| 21:21.43 | ScaredyCat | they do if you click them |
| 21:21.47 | sagacis | They do on the website |
| 21:22.04 | zilt | hmmm $15 shipping - not bad :) |
| 21:22.06 | galexande | heh, the webpage really is short on warnings that this is a developer preview...i only see one |
| 21:22.08 | galexande | and i had to look for it |
| 21:22.19 | anrp | ;/ hopefully the people ordering know |
| 21:22.26 | anrp | because it will disappoint otherwise |
| 21:22.33 | sagacis | 18.5 mm thick |
| 21:22.48 | galexande | maybe someone will be so disgusted tehy'll sell it cheap on ebay, and some less fortunate developers will get it |
| 21:22.55 | anrp | you could shave a bit off with a dremel probably <_< |
| 21:22.55 | woglinde | hm the website is very good too |
| 21:23.08 | doc|home | osmosis: there is a profile shot |
| 21:23.08 | anrp | or a belt sander |
| 21:23.09 | SpeedEvil | galexande: I've added a caveat to the wiki main page. |
| 21:23.11 | ScaredyCat | http://www.openmoko.com/products-neo-base-00-stdkit.html |
| 21:23.16 | ScaredyCat | click enlarge |
| 21:23.22 | sagacis | Just take the board out, and it's a lot thinner |
| 21:23.24 | ScaredyCat | and the wigglyphone |
| 21:23.41 | ml8128 | ouch, shipping costs $100 to my place :( |
| 21:23.46 | galexande | seriously, i'd like to shave the back 0.2in off of the case, and use a thin high-end battery |
| 21:23.51 | sagacis | You can ship to my place. I don't mind. |
| 21:23.58 | jaebird | ditto |
| 21:23.59 | andylockran | how come shipping is so dear/ |
| 21:24.12 | anrp | us -> rest of world through ups isn't cheap |
| 21:24.36 | anrp | it does seem a bit odd that it has to come through the us first, but it probably simplifies logistics |
| 21:24.45 | andylockran | it all comes through the US? |
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| 21:24.50 | anrp | yes |
| 21:24.51 | galexande | hahah you know, with a touch screen, there's no reason we couldn't use a virtual pulse dial circle |
| 21:24.52 | jaebird | i offered a similar service to unfortunate souls when the N800 came out |
| 21:24.52 | Elrond | Evening people. |
| 21:24.58 | pygi | hey folks |
| 21:25.16 | ynezz | according http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners -- 4 of 14 orders are from US |
| 21:25.21 | pygi | anyone got idea if this little piece of equipment has transreflective screen? :) |
| 21:25.21 | ynezz | so why the US? :p |
| 21:25.26 | anrp | i'm not saying it makes sense |
| 21:25.29 | anrp | i'm just saying how it is >_> |
| 21:25.48 | Aria | 5, ynezz ;-) Colorado's in the US |
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| 21:26.11 | anrp | besides 80% of the orders so far aren't in that list anyway |
| 21:26.15 | ynezz | Aria: :) |
| 21:26.17 | anrp | so who knows what it really is? |
| 21:26.26 | ynezz | statistics |
| 21:26.31 | ynezz | :) |
| 21:27.15 | Aria | There's an error of 3.7/14 |
| 21:27.17 | osmosis | damn, i really want one of these things. |
| 21:27.20 | ScaredyCat | it's mad |
| 21:27.24 | C7_ | good night everyone ;) |
| 21:27.28 | Aria | or 26% |
| 21:27.48 | ScaredyCat | nite |
| 21:27.50 | Aria | So 35% from the US, give or take 26% |
| 21:28.05 | LetoTo | zilt: do I or Hypatia know you? |
| 21:28.11 | Aria | (statistical error is sqrt(samplesize) |
| 21:28.13 | Aria | ) |
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| 21:30.40 | ynezz | somebody already with #1912 |
| 21:30.45 | Aria | Wow |
| 21:30.52 | ynezz | means, first 100 sold |
| 21:30.57 | ynezz | let's celebrate |
| 21:31.00 | jaebird | perhaps FIC has a better distribution from US...doesn't make sense...but anyways |
| 21:31.01 | guerby | stil no number for me ouuuiiiinnn |
| 21:31.05 | ScaredyCat | some people got more tha 1 |
| 21:31.19 | Skwid_ | hello everyone |
| 21:32.09 | sagacis | Surely they will ship from other ports in October. |
| 21:32.15 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 21:32.17 | aloril | counter_msg (last update 2007-07-08 21:30) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order at http://openmoko.com |
| 21:32.17 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to (last update 2007-07-08 21:30) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order at http://openmoko.com |
| 21:32.35 | SpeedEvil | counter |
| 21:32.35 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-08 21:30) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order at http://openmoko.com (1716;246) |
| 21:32.45 | SpeedEvil | Oct? |
| 21:32.54 | daxxar | What's the diff between "WORLDWIDE_EXPEDITED" and "SAVER"? |
| 21:32.55 | xkr47 | what are the numbers at the end ?-) |
| 21:33.36 | anrp | expedited is faster? |
| 21:33.36 | anrp | maybe |
| 21:33.36 | daxxar | $106 and $116, respectively. |
| 21:33.36 | galexande | about $10 |
| 21:33.36 | Skwid_ | can i start developing apps for openmoko without the actual phone ? |
| 21:33.36 | aloril | Skwid_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 21:33.36 | daxxar | Expedited is cheaper :o |
| 21:33.36 | anrp | the difference is $10, then D: |
| 21:33.37 | ynezz | :) |
| 21:33.41 | aloril | SpeedEvil: haven't updated counter for that, maybe won't even (web page can tell stuff anyway), might update counter tomorrow for 'shipping' |
| 21:33.47 | daxxar | Bloody expensive shipping, though |
| 21:33.49 | ml8128 | order 19XX, was too late it seems :( |
| 21:33.57 | daxxar | Hm? |
| 21:34.00 | pygi | daxxar, how much is shipping? |
| 21:34.03 | daxxar | Too late for wat? |
| 21:34.04 | daxxar | what* |
| 21:34.08 | cesarb | ml8128: the orders started in the 1800s |
| 21:34.15 | daxxar | To norway; $106 or $116 |
| 21:34.16 | cesarb | ml8128: as far as we know |
| 21:34.25 | Aria | Skwid_: Yes. They're GTK apps, and if you use the platform libraries on the host system, you can develop to your heart's content. |
| 21:34.30 | ml8128 | oh, ok, thought there were 1900+ before me.... |
| 21:34.31 | pygi | daxxar, where do you see that? |
| 21:34.36 | anrp | its not that popular yet ;/ |
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| 21:34.48 | aloril | 10% gone, hmm... |
| 21:34.51 | daxxar | pygi: Order screen |
| 21:34.53 | Skwid_ | Aria: awesome ! what do i need to install ? is mokomakefile all i need ? |
| 21:34.55 | ml8128 | whole europe seems to be in the $100 range |
| 21:34.58 | pygi | daxxar, right, thanks ^_^ |
| 21:35.00 | aloril | and its not digged yet? |
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| 21:35.16 | andylockran | is it digged - or dugg? |
| 21:35.24 | Aria | Skwid_: I have the matchbox libs and tools installed, and the openmoko libs |
| 21:35.29 | andylockran | anyone got any experience with maemomapper? |
| 21:35.30 | anrp | i think its spelled /. |
| 21:35.35 | woglinde | pygi than wait for p2 |
| 21:35.45 | Skwid_ | Aria: is there documentation on this in the wiki ? |
| 21:35.58 | ScaredyCat | http://www.digg.com/linux_unix/NEO1973_Phone_running_open_source_OpenMoko_software_now_available |
| 21:35.58 | pygi | woglinde, well, how would I develop application for it then until p2 is out? :) |
| 21:36.04 | morpheus__ | Hi, is this the version with WLan? http://www.openmoko.com/products-index.html |
| 21:36.05 | pygi | woglinde, but I probably will, yes |
| 21:36.08 | woglinde | pygi qemu |
| 21:36.14 | pygi | woglinde, no fun in that :) |
| 21:36.22 | galexande | morph, no. wifi is october (at soonest) |
| 21:36.32 | Aria | morpheus__: That comes out Octoberish |
| 21:36.37 | woglinde | if you dont hack on kernel or uboot its no differnce |
| 21:37.12 | aloril | anrp: or that, we will see which one is faster ;-) |
| 21:37.15 | anrp | surely being able to unbrick is worth something.. |
| 21:37.46 | galexande | anrp, thanks to uboot, it should be really hard to brick it. |
| 21:37.49 | galexande | (i'm optimistic) |
| 21:37.54 | anrp | and if you b0rk uboot? ;/ |
| 21:38.02 | galexande | anrp, don't do that, silly |
| 21:38.06 | anrp | but but! |
| 21:38.09 | Skwid_ | Aria: what's the easiest way to run openmoko on ubuntu, with its X server, or with an emulator ? |
| 21:38.23 | cesarb | galexande: ONE wrong character when reflashing the root, and you lose uboot |
| 21:38.34 | cesarb | galexande: so, don't be so cocky (sp?) ;-) |
| 21:38.36 | Aria | No idea on Ubuntu, but I had no trouble compiling and running as X apps on PLD |
| 21:38.43 | galexande | cesarb, when in doubt, don't make typos |
| 21:38.45 | Aria | But that doesn't test in an emulated phone environ |
| 21:39.03 | Skwid_ | Aria: hum, right now i dont really need anything from the phone |
| 21:39.17 | Skwid_ | Aria: do you use xephyr ? |
| 21:39.20 | Aria | Nope. |
| 21:39.22 | Aria | Just xnest |
| 21:39.32 | Aria | (I actually intend to run some of the apps as regular desktop apps)\ |
| 21:39.41 | daxxar | How long did it take for your confirmation email? |
| 21:39.47 | galexande | cesarb, i've been told now that when the new (GTA01Bv4) verison of uboot is asked to overwrite itself, it does some cghecking to make sure it got a valid uboot image, anyways |
| 21:39.55 | Skwid_ | Aria: ok now im confused :) |
| 21:40.16 | Aria | Skwid_: They're regular apps. I have the framework compiled for the host so I can just run the apps (And test and extend) |
| 21:40.26 | daxxar | And why doesn't it ask for color? |
| 21:40.30 | Elrond | galexande - Correct. |
| 21:40.33 | anrp | that is a good question |
| 21:40.50 | Aria | I'll also be getting my emulation environ working so I can test before I upload apps to the phone |
| 21:40.50 | Skwid_ | Aria: in the wiki it talks about using qemu, xoo, or xephir, which should i follow ? |
| 21:41.01 | Aria | Depends on what you need. What's your goal? |
| 21:41.19 | Skwid_ | just to develop a first app |
| 21:41.28 | Skwid_ | by looking at the code for the phonebook |
| 21:41.37 | Skwid_ | something really simple |
| 21:41.48 | Skwid_ | that doesn't really need anything hardware wise |
| 21:41.57 | Aria | Whichever, really. |
| 21:42.18 | Aria | I work on the host, using Xnest (essentially the same as Xephyr approach) |
| 21:42.19 | Elrond | galexande - What I don't know: What happens, if you overwrite the env for u-boot with crap. I hope it defaults to usbtty. ;-) |
| 21:42.35 | Skwid_ | ok, ill look at that then, thanks ! |
| 21:42.55 | anrp | well if you get the adv kit, you can overwrite it with impunity |
| 21:43.15 | thomasg_gpm | ok, 3 further orders :) |
| 21:43.19 | Elrond | anrp - I don't have the debug board. ;-) |
| 21:43.30 | anrp | ;/ |
| 21:43.44 | XXLT | that neo advanced hackers dream box is still avialiable in october? or is it just unitl mass market start? |
| 21:43.45 | Elrond | So I'm not going to try. |
| 21:43.59 | anrp | it should still be available |
| 21:43.59 | notserpe | XXLT: available |
| 21:44.11 | anrp | its just base + jtag + extra bits + pelican case |
| 21:44.18 | XXLT | but than with the new version, including w-lan, ...? |
| 21:44.25 | Elrond | XXLT - Everybody assumes, that some sort of "hacker toolbox" will be available in phase2. |
| 21:45.01 | Elrond | XXLT - The debug connector hopefully stays the same. |
| 21:45.16 | notserpe | no clarification on that yet, though |
| 21:45.19 | Elrond | XXLT - Or only has some addons, but the old debug board will hopefully still work. |
| 21:45.21 | XXLT | well, i think i will wait till october |
| 21:46.21 | Elrond | I will wait anyway a bit. I have a Bv03, and it's quite okay to me. |
| 21:46.32 | Skwid_ | Aria: im not sure i understand what the difference between Xoo and Xephyr is |
| 21:46.51 | XXLT | i think you will have problems when entering the us or uk with that hacker box :) |
| 21:46.56 | XXLT | it looks like a bomb :) |
| 21:46.58 | ScaredyCat | Xephyr is a Ford ;) |
| 21:47.23 | XXLT | or like a case for a gun |
| 21:47.27 | Skwid_ | lol |
| 21:47.44 | Aria | Xoo is a wrapper around Xephyr |
| 21:47.47 | thomasg_gpm | #1952 |
| 21:47.48 | Elrond | XXLT - hehe. And in germany it's now forbidden, probably. Our stupid politician made some "hacker tools are forbidden"-law. |
| 21:47.53 | Aria | Skwid_: http://projects.o-hand.com/xoo/ |
| 21:48.38 | Elrond | thomasg_gpm - "#1952" ? |
| 21:48.39 | Skwid_ | thx |
| 21:48.53 | aevin | the debug board for GTA01 will also be suitable for GTA02, right? |
| 21:49.03 | pygi | Elrond, and they know what "hacker tools" are? :) |
| 21:49.05 | Aria | aevin: XXLT _JUST_ asked that |
| 21:49.23 | woglinde | pygi yes for sure |
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| 21:49.33 | woglinde | look at phenolit |
| 21:49.34 | thomasg_gpm | Elrond, our order number :) |
| 21:49.39 | SpeedEvil | Ok - thomasg_gpm: 1952 - that's 130 in 2 hours |
| 21:49.44 | pygi | woglinde, people here don't even know what "server" is, let aside "hacker tools" |
| 21:49.45 | sagacis | Xephyr was a Lincoln in the US |
| 21:49.50 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. |
| 21:49.53 | thomasg_gpm | well, it's more than that speedevil |
| 21:49.58 | thomasg_gpm | we ordered 3 to germany/czechia |
| 21:49.59 | SpeedEvil | thomasg_gpm: yeah - multis |
| 21:50.24 | SpeedEvil | But say 1.5/min |
| 21:50.27 | woglinde | pygi the problem is now you are a gangster if you want check that server a safe when use the tools |
| 21:50.34 | XXLT | just place that hacker box somewhere at london heathrow airport - now you have got a suspicious package ... |
| 21:50.36 | Elrond | pygi - Well, our politicians do, what the people they tell they fight against, want them to do. ;o) |
| 21:50.43 | notserpe | anyone else concerned that non-developers are going to buy this and get annoyed and do some early trash talking before P2? that would take some of the wind out of the sails of the great thing going on here. |
| 21:50.51 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 21:50.51 | anrp | a black case, black device, open circuit board and bare wires? |
| 21:50.53 | anrp | what could go wrong |
| 21:51.02 | pygi | hehe :) |
| 21:51.03 | anrp | oh, and lithium |
| 21:51.05 | SpeedEvil | There should have been a _Much_ larger warning on the buy site |
| 21:51.40 | ynezz | it is enough i think |
| 21:51.41 | notserpe | I've talked to a handful of non-developer tech saavy friends who were a bit confused about it. (I agree SpeedEvil) |
| 21:51.51 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the vibes I get from the buy site is "rushed job" |
| 21:51.56 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 21:52.01 | SpeedEvil | But that's pretty basic. |
| 21:52.09 | Skwid_ | how long does it take to build openmoko ? approx ? |
| 21:52.17 | SpeedEvil | 12 hoursish |
| 21:52.26 | SpeedEvil | +- a factor of 2. |
| 21:52.37 | cesarb | Skwid_: it took me more than a day, but then I had to restart the build several times until I had made it all work with /bin/dash |
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| 21:52.39 | SpeedEvil | More if you build on Neo. |
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| 21:52.49 | Skwid_ | ouch |
| 21:52.54 | slider_ | the only place you get a real "warning" that this is a developer-phone is on the actual ordering form |
| 21:53.01 | Skwid_ | on a regular x86 ? |
| 21:53.09 | anrp | building gtk on anything non-fast is painful |
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| 21:53.16 | alexissoft | hi |
| 21:53.19 | anrp | 266mhz counts as non-fast, sadly |
| 21:53.24 | LetoTo | 12 hours? |
| 21:53.27 | cesarb | Skwid_: regular x86-64... as I said, it stopped several times, and I had to fix bugs in 4 places |
| 21:53.38 | Skwid_ | ah ok |
| 21:53.44 | cesarb | Skwid_: (if you use mokomakefile, my bugfixes are already in it, so don't worry) |
| 21:53.53 | Skwid_ | good :) |
| 21:53.59 | Skwid_ | well, ill start it then |
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| 21:54.25 | cesarb | Skwid_: btw, the build speed doesn't depend only on your computer's speed... at least on the first build |
| 21:54.35 | anrp | dling packages? |
| 21:54.36 | cesarb | Skwid_: it downloads lots of packages |
| 21:54.38 | Skwid_ | i see |
| 21:54.44 | cesarb | anrp: yep |
| 21:55.06 | Skwid_ | cesarb: and i read that i have to change from bash to sh ? |
| 21:55.49 | cesarb | Skwid_: you don't have to change /bin/sh anymore, precisely due to the fix I made ;-) |
| 21:55.50 | xkr47 | will all phones be delivered from FIC America ? |
| 21:55.56 | cesarb | s/fix/fixes/ |
| 21:56.24 | Skwid_ | cesarb: so i can leave it as is |
| 21:56.27 | cesarb | Skwid_: (and it was the opposite, you had to change /bin/sh from dash to bash) |
| 21:56.45 | cesarb | Skwid_: I theory, yes, in practice, I think I'm the only one who tested that yet ;-) |
| 21:56.54 | Elrond | hehe, so openmoko.com is already slashdotted? ;o) |
| 21:57.03 | Skwid_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2006-11-17 10:54 /bin/sh -> dash |
| 21:57.07 | Skwid_ | that should be good right ? |
| 21:57.57 | Elrond | Skwid_ - probably not, at least for mokomakefile. |
| 21:58.04 | ScaredyCat | you need lots of disk space too |
| 21:58.16 | cesarb | Elrond: I just said I fixed mokomakefile for /bin/sh as dash... |
| 21:58.16 | Skwid_ | meh |
| 21:58.18 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: stalled here too. |
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| 21:59.11 | Elrond | cesarb - Ahh, has that been merged in? |
| 21:59.38 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Yeah, it's slow like ... here. I just came home and saw the news. |
| 21:59.41 | Skwid_ | ScaredyCat: i need the space in /home right ? |
| 21:59.47 | CoreDump | ScaredyCat: OM is < 10Gb |
| 22:00.04 | ScaredyCat | yes, home |
| 22:00.13 | Skwid_ | crap |
| 22:00.17 | ScaredyCat | CoreDump: 10GB is a lot of space on a laptop |
| 22:00.33 | CoreDump | ScaredyCat: agreed |
| 22:00.33 | ScaredyCat | delete that pr0n |
| 22:00.41 | Skwid_ | haha |
| 22:00.45 | anrp | nevar |
| 22:00.45 | galexande | grr the debian innstall directions for openembedded are all fubared. |
| 22:01.05 | CoreDump | I had to trash my build-env today for exactly this reason :( |
| 22:01.23 | Skwid_ | hehe, on the digg frontpage :) |
| 22:01.29 | Shoragan | galexande, use moko-makefile |
| 22:01.31 | cesarb | Elrond: yeah, it was merged last week iirc |
| 22:01.43 | Elrond | cesarb - Ahh, good. :-) |
| 22:01.55 | galexande | shoragan, i'm following the first step of mokomakefile directions |
| 22:02.04 | Skwid_ | ScaredyCat: i need the space just for building, or is it going to take that much space all the time ? |
| 22:02.42 | ScaredyCat | well, it's good to have it all the time to build... |
| 22:02.56 | ScaredyCat | mages are <35mb |
| 22:02.58 | [lankester] | is anybody able to order a phone right now ? |
| 22:03.00 | ScaredyCat | images |
| 22:03.03 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: isn't there a magic setting to reduce a bit the space needed to build? |
| 22:03.17 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: removing some of the temporary files in the middle of the build |
| 22:03.25 | ScaredyCat | yes.. |
| 22:03.44 | ScaredyCat | take note of the INHERIT +="rm_work" |
| 22:04.10 | ScaredyCat | just delete the pagefile, hibfile Skwid_ |
| 22:04.11 | sagacis | Make some space from worthless crap skwid |
| 22:04.26 | sagacis | Of course, I say this from XP myself |
| 22:04.30 | Skwid_ | ScaredyCat: i dont need it anymore, anyways, i was just to lazy to do it |
| 22:04.35 | ScaredyCat | ahh k |
| 22:05.26 | jaebird__ | my buildused over 3GB |
| 22:05.44 | ScaredyCat | mine was closer to 10 |
| 22:05.45 | sagacis | Anybody tried colinux? |
| 22:05.54 | *** join/#openmoko daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro) |
| 22:05.56 | weez | [lankester]: I am just getting a white screen |
| 22:06.07 | guerby | still no order confirmation after 1h30, time to sleep ... |
| 22:06.33 | daMaestro | LOL |
| 22:06.43 | weez | [lankester]: I am guessing the digg post has doomed all but the lucky |
| 22:06.44 | daMaestro | >:) |
| 22:06.51 | galexande | debian just isn't what it used to be |
| 22:07.28 | daMaestro | https://direct.openmoko.com/ |
| 22:07.32 | daMaestro | that is where you need to go |
| 22:07.43 | daMaestro | though... i don't know why they need to use a self signed cert |
| 22:07.47 | daMaestro | boooo |
| 22:07.48 | daMaestro | ;-) |
| 22:07.51 | [lankester] | weez: geez :/ |
| 22:08.11 | [lankester] | im trying to order .. but step2 doesn't work |
| 22:08.22 | weez | same here |
| 22:08.31 | weez | submit data -> blank white screen |
| 22:08.36 | weez | it loads fast though! |
| 22:08.43 | [lankester] | true :) |
| 22:08.47 | Skwid_ | [lankester]: don't curse digg, or it'll curse back :) |
| 22:08.55 | [lankester] | i dont have an url !! |
| 22:08.57 | [lankester] | :p |
| 22:08.59 | galexande | weez, do you have a two-letter uppercase "state"? |
| 22:09.00 | *** part/#openmoko Skwid_ (n=Skwid@modemcable049.94-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 22:09.04 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Group_Order]] [[P1_Owners]] [[Press_Coverage]] [[Main_Page]] [[User:Aredridel]] [[User:Eric]] [[User:Gualti]] [[Translation]] [[User:Guerby]] [[User:Freelock]] [[User:Shakthimaan]] [[User:CM]] |
| 22:09.06 | weez | no |
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| 22:09.08 | weez | I typed it out... |
| 22:09.12 | galexande | weez, move |
| 22:09.13 | weez | lemme try that again |
| 22:09.32 | weez | nope |
| 22:09.33 | woglinde | sold out faste than iphone? |
| 22:09.37 | [lankester] | geez |
| 22:09.39 | [lankester] | it work ! |
| 22:09.41 | jaebird__ | weez 2 digits |
| 22:09.41 | [lankester] | with 2 letter |
| 22:09.54 | weez | I tried... but still a blank white screen |
| 22:10.00 | ynezz | is openmoko a trademark? |
| 22:10.03 | mjr | it's probably slashdotted |
| 22:10.06 | jaebird__ | upper case |
| 22:10.07 | daMaestro | hehehe /me got his order in |
| 22:10.19 | weez | cool |
| 22:10.27 | weez | I put something in company and it loaded |
| 22:10.31 | daMaestro | i was just able to place an order by going direct to https://direct.openmoko.com |
| 22:10.32 | weez | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.52 | daMaestro | anyone mind if the /topic gets updated? |
| 22:11.03 | thomasg_gpm | oh, seems openmoko.com is well-visited at moment :) |
| 22:11.08 | daMaestro | i see there is not a topic lock, but i don't want to overstep my rights ;-) |
| 22:11.26 | anrp | freenode has modded ircds, the channel op still needs to trigger it |
| 22:11.33 | anrp | channel ops aren't listed though from the mods |
| 22:11.36 | weez | woohoo |
| 22:11.41 | weez | says it completed |
| 22:12.01 | daMaestro | hmm... i think you are wrong |
| 22:12.21 | anrp | i might be, i thought thats how freenode was though |
| 22:12.23 | *** join/#openmoko arachnid (n=arachnid@donbot.notdot.net) |
| 22:12.24 | *** topic/#openmoko by daMaestro -> OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Buy now for $300, from www.openmoko.com; Direct Link to Buy: https://direct.openmoko.com/ |
| 22:12.27 | weez | so either typing out my full state name was to blame, or possibly not having anything in company, or possibly it was just blind luck that it finally went through |
| 22:12.29 | daMaestro | told you ;-) |
| 22:12.38 | [lankester] | was the state weez |
| 22:12.55 | [lankester] | but im pretty sure they are sold out :( |
| 22:12.56 | weez | I think it has to be ALL caps then |
| 22:13.09 | notserpe | weez: I got a blank screen until I put a 2 digit province code instead of a word. |
| 22:13.10 | arachnid | Sold out already? |
| 22:13.10 | aloril | arachnid: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:13.11 | arachnid | Wow. |
| 22:13.14 | weez | the first time I fixed it I put in Tx |
| 22:13.22 | weez | and it was still a blank white screen |
| 22:13.24 | arachnid | Gee, thanks aloril-bot |
| 22:13.33 | weez | second time I changed it to TX |
| 22:13.39 | SpeedEvil | It took me a couple of minutes to find 'Great Britain' in the list - I was looking for UK |
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| 22:13.41 | [lankester] | arachnid: im not sure if they are sold out or not |
| 22:13.41 | stefan_schmidt | [lankester]: Why do you say something like this? |
| 22:13.54 | arachnid | [lankester]: What makes you think they are, though? |
| 22:13.57 | stefan_schmidt | [lankester]: That's just wrong |
| 22:13.59 | notserpe | weez: both spots? I had two letter below and name above and it worked once I put 2 letter code both places. |
| 22:14.08 | hads | It's not going to be hard for them to make more when they do sell out anyway. |
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| 22:14.23 | [lankester] | stefan_schmidt: sorry im just pecimist ! i wont say it again |
| 22:14.26 | pygi | hey arachnid |
| 22:14.28 | SpeedEvil | There will be a delay of a couple of weeks at least though. |
| 22:14.43 | weez | notserpe: both spots? as in the shipping information spot? I left that blank |
| 22:14.45 | webjames | delay? |
| 22:15.01 | stefan_schmidt | [lankester]: Something like this is mostly the root of misinformation. Just be careful. :) |
| 22:15.07 | arachnid | Hi pygi |
| 22:15.10 | [lankester] | yeah sorry again ! |
| 22:15.11 | arachnid | Fancy seeing you in here ;) |
| 22:15.14 | kiney_ | counter |
| 22:15.15 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-08 21:30) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order at http://openmoko.com (1717;246) |
| 22:15.28 | daMaestro | i'd rather have them sell out then not! |
| 22:15.40 | arachnid | Have they said anything about making more? I thought they were only making a limited number of dev release units |
| 22:15.43 | daMaestro | i just spent $320 to show FIC that i support them |
| 22:15.56 | daMaestro | the phase1 device is not that great... phase2 will be awesome.. and i'll buy one of those too |
| 22:16.12 | arachnid | $380 here :/ |
| 22:16.13 | stefan_schmidt | Anyway, night all. Have to sleep now. Heading to France tomorrow. Anybody at RMLL want to see a neo? Just ping me. |
| 22:16.17 | notserpe | i think anyone who forgot to mention a color preference in the comments should get the orange ones... :P |
| 22:16.30 | arachnid | But I needed a new phone anyway |
| 22:16.39 | arachnid | And this is cheaper than anything else with similar capabilities. :) |
| 22:16.46 | daMaestro | oh noes! |
| 22:16.50 | daMaestro | i better get a black one |
| 22:16.52 | daMaestro | damnit. |
| 22:16.54 | weez | so what is the significance of the number in the confirmation email? |
| 22:17.01 | daMaestro | damnit. damnit. damnit. |
| 22:17.05 | weez | i got very close to 1973 |
| 22:17.08 | thomasg_gpm | weez, seems to be the order number |
| 22:17.11 | [lankester] | do the neo have a camera ? |
| 22:17.11 | daMaestro | who can i send an email stating i want a black one? |
| 22:17.13 | *** join/#openmoko Dvalin (i=hawkeye@terror.sintrax.net) |
| 22:17.17 | anrp | read the order email |
| 22:17.19 | daMaestro | [lankester], no |
| 22:17.20 | mjr | weez, order number, but note that the real orders did not start from 1 |
| 22:17.22 | SpeedEvil | [lankester] no |
| 22:17.24 | notserpe | weez: the numbers started around 1820 so we're guessing on the number of orders |
| 22:17.29 | [lankester] | small drawback |
| 22:17.31 | galexande | i expressed a preference for orange in the comments |
| 22:17.32 | [lankester] | but i can live without it |
| 22:17.33 | stefan_schmidt | daMaestro: No panic |
| 22:17.34 | galexande | you're welcome |
| 22:17.34 | Psi_ | haha, the site is a little slow |
| 22:17.37 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, who can i bug to make sure i get a black one? |
| 22:17.45 | stefan_schmidt | daMaestro: We have way more blacks then white |
| 22:17.45 | thomasg_gpm | daMaestro, guess you can't |
| 22:17.46 | Psi_ | no surprise there :P |
| 22:17.52 | daMaestro | stefan_schmidt, good. |
| 22:17.54 | SpeedEvil | daMaestro: I can supply: |
| 22:17.59 | idarwin | #1916 :-) |
| 22:18.03 | stefan_schmidt | daMaestro: And you should be able to get the one you like. |
| 22:18.03 | daMaestro | stefan_schmidt, where can i state "i want a black one!" |
| 22:18.10 | LetoTo | stefan: with the current uboot, is there much need for a debug port? |
| 22:18.13 | LetoTo | board |
| 22:18.15 | SpeedEvil | daMaestro: kits to alter your neo to black, white, mahogony, or stone-effect |
| 22:18.23 | arachnid | Psi_: Are you Psi from Undernet? |
| 22:18.28 | SpeedEvil | daMaestro: Quality emulsion paint! |
| 22:18.31 | Psi_ | yes |
| 22:18.36 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, LOL |
| 22:18.38 | arachnid | Heh. :) |
| 22:18.45 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, it *is* the devel device i suppose |
| 22:18.46 | stefan_schmidt | daMaestro: Answer to the mail or wait until somebody clears it up on the ml. |
| 22:18.54 | daMaestro | stefan_schmidt, will do |
| 22:18.58 | stefan_schmidt | LetoTo: Not really |
| 22:19.02 | stefan_schmidt | LetoTo: Hi, btw |
| 22:19.05 | Psi_ | arachnid, i dont have a _ on undernet |
| 22:19.41 | arachnid | Maybe you're not the person I'm thinking of |
| 22:19.42 | stefan_schmidt | LetoTo: It's stable and also detects if you try to flash a wrong u-boot. For another version e.g. |
| 22:19.49 | daMaestro | stefan_schmidt, i just did so |
| 22:19.55 | mjr | the Neo should really have an all-LCD cover so you could skin it in software |
| 22:20.19 | doc|home | mjr: would cost a few grand :) |
| 22:20.21 | SpeedEvil | mjr: Just _slightly_ more expensive. |
| 22:20.29 | stefan_schmidt | LetoTo: And if you update you don't need to do u-boot at all |
| 22:21.02 | [lankester] | notserpe: so my order number is 1966 so there is about 100 orders yet ? |
| 22:21.03 | *** join/#openmoko DukeOfUrl (n=chatzill@introspect.com) |
| 22:21.04 | stefan_schmidt | LetoTo: I think for your crypto voip stuff you would not need it. |
| 22:21.23 | *** join/#openmoko ajmitch (n=ajmitch@ubuntu/member/ajmitch) |
| 22:21.31 | stefan_schmidt | [lankester]: Seems so, as the first one was something around 1820 |
| 22:21.45 | DukeOfUrl | any resolution to the blank reply problem with the order page? |
| 22:21.45 | aloril | DukeOfUrl: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:21.55 | notserpe | lankester: probably a reasonable guess. but perhaps people have orderd >1 and so on... |
| 22:22.03 | [lankester] | notserpe: true :) |
| 22:22.19 | [lankester] | and the sell started how many hour ago ? |
| 22:22.30 | Elrond | Hmm, the website doesn't list the charger for the basic kit?! |
| 22:22.33 | stefan_schmidt | DukeOfUrl: Somebody suggested to use https://direct.openmoko.com directly |
| 22:22.35 | *** join/#openmoko Dodji (n=dodji@81-208-86-166.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 22:22.54 | stefan_schmidt | [lankester]: Not many. But that's of course the fast first wave. |
| 22:23.28 | ScaredyCat | just now? |
| 22:23.29 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - (u-boot) What happens, if you break the env? Does the default env have usbtty |
| 22:23.32 | stefan_schmidt | DukeOfUrl: Ah, and something about upper digest. Anyone can enlight him? |
| 22:23.33 | Elrond | ? |
| 22:23.33 | DukeOfUrl | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.57 | [lankester] | DukeOfUrl: write the state in the first page with two letter in uppercase |
| 22:24.00 | MacNorth | DukeOfUrl: yes, use CO for your state |
| 22:24.04 | [lankester] | it was my problem |
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| 22:24.19 | [lankester] | i wrote quebec .. it wasnt working |
| 22:24.21 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Why not update env via DFU? |
| 22:24.28 | [lankester] | then I put QC and it was |
| 22:24.39 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - update /etc/passwd as env. ;o) |
| 22:24.43 | *** join/#openmoko davidv_ (n=davidv@203-206-128-239.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 22:24.47 | *** part/#openmoko idarwin (n=ian@69-17-146-104.kingkom.com) |
| 22:24.53 | *** part/#openmoko ericjames (i=ericjeld@dynamic-acs-24-144-138-13.zoominternet.net) |
| 22:25.11 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - I hope u-boot will have DFU after a reboot, or usbtty. |
| 22:25.19 | daMaestro | someone needs to slashdot |
| 22:25.20 | daMaestro | ! |
| 22:25.22 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: ? It seems I'm already to tired |
| 22:25.28 | daMaestro | the site is coming back online!... doooo ittttt |
| 22:26.05 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Assume a broken env partition. What happens, when u-boot starts? Does it give usbtty and/or DFU? |
| 22:26.05 | andylockran | any idea what the shipping timescale is? |
| 22:26.14 | notserpe | at least that gmail dups thing seems to have stopped! |
| 22:26.34 | arachnid | It's frustrating - for the first time (since |
| 22:26.45 | arachnid | (since I switched to Google Apps), I can't fix my own mail problems |
| 22:26.47 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Not sure about usbtty, but why should DFU not work? AFAIK it don't need the env |
| 22:26.48 | DukeOfUrl | it worked! thanks! |
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| 22:27.01 | daMaestro | i hope FIC has told worker they are pulling all nighters and they have all the mokos boxed up and all they need to do is slap a label on the box and bring it to a waiting airplane! |
| 22:27.07 | daMaestro | workers* |
| 22:27.16 | andylockran | daMaestro: yeah, would be nice |
| 22:27.19 | ds1 | anyone know what order #1 was? |
| 22:27.24 | ds1 | 1000 or 0001 |
| 22:27.24 | galexande | daMaestro, they're still in china |
| 22:27.29 | MacNorth | a guy on the ml seems to think it'll take a week for chinese customs anyway |
| 22:27.32 | galexande | ds1, ~1821 |
| 22:27.36 | MacNorth | the OM team still has time :) |
| 22:27.45 | daMaestro | boooo |
| 22:27.45 | andylockran | I'm #1874 |
| 22:27.56 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Ahhh, that's good. Well, there's a wishlist to make DFU only available, if booted with AUX button. And the menu needs the env... |
| 22:28.03 | daMaestro | 1964 ... would have been cool to get order 1973 |
| 22:28.16 | daMaestro | lol |
| 22:28.18 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Anyway, let us postbone this. I really need sleep now. |
| 22:28.24 | daMaestro | err.. a free debug kit |
| 22:28.24 | xkr47 | daMaestro, I was just thinking the same :) |
| 22:28.30 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Sleep well. :) |
| 22:28.31 | andylockran | yeah, especially if order numbers are printing on the phone |
| 22:28.35 | MacNorth | see http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/006633.html |
| 22:28.39 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Thanks and night |
| 22:28.40 | xkr47 | everybody who ordered already - sleep well :D |
| 22:28.55 | ds1 | sleep well |
| 22:28.57 | ds1 | it is 3PM |
| 22:29.01 | Sufflope | hi everyone; what's the difference between the Carrying pouch from Advanced kit, and the Neo pouch from the Basic kit ? |
| 22:29.06 | andylockran | xkr47: I will do - it's a great feeling finally ordering one after soo many months wait |
| 22:29.09 | Sufflope | typo ? :) |
| 22:29.26 | *** join/#openmoko LuitvD (n=luitvd@beigetower/luitvd) |
| 22:29.30 | LuitvD | counter |
| 22:29.30 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-08 21:30) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter : Order at http://openmoko.com (1718;246) |
| 22:29.31 | daMaestro | ok.. so i'm waiting till jul 16... +2 days +local time |
| 22:29.36 | daMaestro | so darn. |
| 22:29.41 | andylockran | how will the openmoko interface with a computer for program uploads? |
| 22:30.07 | LuitvD | 'the openmoko' ? |
| 22:30.14 | galexande | andy, it interfaces with usb and bluetooth |
| 22:30.21 | arachnid | I just hope mine doesn't get held at customs |
| 22:30.22 | doc|home | LuitvD: down boy :) |
| 22:30.26 | galexande | andy, both of which can be convinced to act like a ppp connection |
| 22:30.27 | CoreDump | USB & BlueTooth networking |
| 22:30.28 | LuitvD | doc|home: arf |
| 22:30.30 | andylockran | what software will I need on the client machine? |
| 22:30.31 | doc|home | heh |
| 22:30.31 | Elrond | andylockran - usb-networking. |
| 22:30.32 | ynezz | where to file a request for openmoko-cz (czech) mailing list? Is it possible to have it hosted on openmoko.org as other mailing lists? |
| 22:30.36 | arachnid | If it's not marked as a gift or sample, and the value is over $400NZD, it will be :( |
| 22:30.38 | ynezz | use bugzilla? |
| 22:31.22 | Elrond | andylockran - Oh, and for usbnetworking: It doesn't work on windows. ;o) |
| 22:31.39 | andylockran | Elrond: hehe - I'm an ubuntu man myself |
| 22:32.50 | Elrond | arachnid - Include shipping and customs in the price, full stop. If you're lucky, be lucky. But don't expect it. |
| 22:32.58 | LuitvD | Elrond: it does work... with either expensive or hard to find (or both) drivers |
| 22:33.25 | arachnid | Elrond: I'm more annoyed at the delay than the cost |
| 22:33.30 | *** join/#openmoko BlackBsd (n=brian@72.168.193.117) |
| 22:33.48 | arachnid | If it's over $400NZD including shipping, they hold it and ask you for GST (sales tax) + a hefty processing fee |
| 22:33.52 | Elrond | LuitvD - Well, the neo tries to do rndis (microsoft usb networking), but something goes wrong. A friend (having windows) and I tried for a few hours. |
| 22:33.56 | arachnid | But they won't release it until they've paid it |
| 22:34.01 | arachnid | And even then they don't hurry |
| 22:34.06 | arachnid | s/they've/you've/ |
| 22:34.33 | LuitvD | Elrond: ah, I see |
| 22:34.38 | duffyd | arachnid: oh, you from NZ? |
| 22:34.41 | arachnid | If it's under $400, they don't bother |
| 22:34.43 | arachnid | duffyd: yup |
| 22:34.53 | ajmitch | duffyd: oh, hello :) |
| 22:34.53 | Elrond | arachnid - Well, you sure love your government and your customs officers. ;o) |
| 22:34.55 | duffyd | arachnid: cool, me too :-) but currently living in Taiwan |
| 22:35.04 | duffyd | ajmitch: oh hi too :-) |
| 22:35.23 | duffyd | ajmitch: you bought a Neo? |
| 22:35.27 | woglinde | nite |
| 22:35.35 | Elrond | arachnid - hehe, if the debug board would be an extra thing, you could order them seperately. ;o) |
| 22:35.42 | ajmitch | duffyd: no, being convinced to get one in a group order |
| 22:36.13 | arachnid | Elrond: I'm just getting the Basic one - I don't plan to hack the hardware or brick it. :P |
| 22:36.16 | mattb | nzers! |
| 22:36.19 | LuitvD | damn, site down? :P |
| 22:36.22 | ajmitch | mattb! |
| 22:36.24 | arachnid | Even so, $380US is definitely > $400NZ |
| 22:36.34 | BlackBsd | yep, site down |
| 22:36.42 | arachnid | mattb: I think I know you, even. :P |
| 22:37.01 | Elrond | LuitvD - site very slow. |
| 22:37.03 | mattb | arachnid: #wlug :) |
| 22:37.07 | arachnid | Yup! |
| 22:37.27 | BlackBsd | the site is probally getting the digg effect |
| 22:37.36 | LuitvD | Elrond: very... but worth the wait :) |
| 22:37.37 | arachnid | Is it on the front page of anything yet? |
| 22:37.51 | BlackBsd | its on the front of linux/unix on digg |
| 22:37.55 | andylockran | sorry for my repetition - but do you know how long shipping will take to the UK/ |
| 22:38.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 632 has been created by ynezz(AT)true.cz |
| 22:38.02 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-czechia mailing list |
| 22:38.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=632 |
| 22:38.13 | doc|home | can the gps be switched off, and what will the accelerometers in GTA02 be used for? |
| 22:38.27 | galexande | doc, yes, and fun. |
| 22:38.31 | duffyd | ajmitch: cool, I thought being in Taiwan would be an advantage but appears that they may ship them from the US :-( |
| 22:38.32 | thomasg_gpm | hehe :) |
| 22:38.35 | daMaestro | lol |
| 22:38.36 | Aria | doc|home: What can you think of to do with it? |
| 22:38.36 | galexande | andy,forever and a day |
| 22:38.38 | duffyd | oh well, c'est la vie |
| 22:38.52 | ajmitch | duffyd: how long are you in taiwan for? |
| 22:38.54 | Elrond | doc|home - the gps is off by default, I think. |
| 22:38.55 | doc|home | Aria: rotating screens, pedometer |
| 22:39.01 | Elrond | (at least on my gta01bv03) |
| 22:39.04 | doc|home | Aria: anything else planned for now? |
| 22:39.04 | duffyd | coming back on September 6th |
| 22:39.09 | ajmitch | ah right |
| 22:39.21 | duffyd | how's things in the 'icy south'? |
| 22:39.23 | ajmitch | arachnid: yes, I think I recall you from there as well |
| 22:39.24 | Aria | Not that I know of. |
| 22:39.28 | thomasg_gpm | I'm really looking forward to play racing games on the neo, holding it like a steering wheel :) |
| 22:39.52 | ajmitch | duffyd: cold, of course :) |
| 22:40.09 | ajmitch | arachnid: have you ordered, or are you looking at a group order? |
| 22:40.11 | doc|home | Aria: ok, thanks. Just thought it a little odd that the hardware was being added but couldn't see any info as to why. Someone wil come up with something :) |
| 22:40.13 | duffyd | ajmitch: yeah I've been keeping up with press.co.nz - looks scary |
| 22:40.17 | arachnid | ajmitch: Already ordered, sorry. |
| 22:40.18 | doc|home | Elrond: cool, thanks |
| 22:40.43 | ajmitch | arachnid: ah well :) |
| 22:40.59 | arachnid | Well, the openmoko is now on the front page of digg in general |
| 22:41.10 | arachnid | 6th from the top |
| 22:41.38 | LuitvD | what's does shipping to NLD cost? |
| 22:41.43 | Elrond | doc|home - You can switch off most of the stuff. For half the hardware, you can really cut the power. For the other half, you can tell that hardware "don't use power, be off". |
| 22:41.45 | *** join/#openmoko davidv_ (n=davidv@203-206-128-239.perm.iinet.net.au) |
| 22:41.58 | doc|home | Elrond: sounds good. thanks |
| 22:42.47 | Elrond | For bluetooth, gps, you can really cut the power. For the GSM, you tell it "You're off". |
| 22:42.51 | arachnid | LuitvD: About $80 :( |
| 22:42.56 | arachnid | Oh, sorry, NLD |
| 22:42.58 | arachnid | Dunno. |
| 22:43.01 | LuitvD | lolz |
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| 22:43.10 | LuitvD | $80 is quite much... |
| 22:43.14 | LuitvD | is that USD? |
| 22:43.16 | arachnid | Yeah, it's rather pricey |
| 22:43.17 | arachnid | Yes |
| 22:43.20 | arachnid | That's for shipping to NZ |
| 22:43.32 | arachnid | It'd better be fast shipping at that price |
| 22:43.35 | webjames | how much is shipping to the UK, SpeedEvil? |
| 22:43.53 | ynezz | ~$80 |
| 22:44.06 | ewon | jeebus |
| 22:44.09 | ewon | tat's some shippinh |
| 22:44.13 | LuitvD | yeah... |
| 22:44.23 | ewon | if only I could type |
| 22:44.27 | LuitvD | that's twice the cost of regular UPS Int'l shipping... |
| 22:44.53 | LetoTo | dont use UPS if you can, they will ding you for additional import tax |
| 22:44.58 | LuitvD | ewon: how the hell did your h shift over 20 characters? |
| 22:45.00 | Psi_ | yes, thats just what im looking at $85 for shipping |
| 22:45.03 | LetoTo | at least in Canada, you'll get ding'ed for 20% |
| 22:45.13 | LetoTo | (on top of their own charges) |
| 22:45.29 | arachnid | There's only one option on the shipping page for NZ - 'saver' |
| 22:45.38 | arachnid | And I don't think UPS can do anything about customs fees here |
| 22:46.42 | LetoTo | it is just that mostly UPS has a deal with the country, ensuring to charge you import tax, while if using something else, it usually goes through without |
| 22:46.45 | Psi_ | does anyone know if there are any more shipping options that appear for different countries? or does everyone only get SAVER ? |
| 22:47.21 | doc|home | so, are alternatives to UPS possible? |
| 22:47.30 | Viko | It is really quite amazing to have an opensource project with 2-300 active developers after just a few hours. (and by "active" I mean, "willing to pay 100$ to be able to test code earlier") |
| 22:48.09 | doc|home | er, has www.openmoko.oprg reverted to the old site? |
| 22:48.12 | doc|home | *org |
| 22:48.22 | galexande | heh mokomakefile doesn't want to work because svn keeeps segfaulting. |
| 22:48.32 | galexande | doc, .com |
| 22:48.41 | doc|home | galexande: hah, thanks :) |
| 22:49.31 | webjames | Psi_, i get three options: WORLDWIDE_EXPEDITED, WORLDWIDE_EXPRESS, and SAVER |
| 22:49.35 | arachnid | Psi_: Other options were mentioned for other countries on the mialing list |
| 22:49.56 | arachnid | For $85, it'd better not be surface shipping... |
| 22:50.20 | duffyd | man, I haven't received my confirmation email yet (been about 45mins) :-( |
| 22:50.28 | duffyd | wonder if there's a problem |
| 22:50.50 | Psi_ | are we sure that isnt a mistake, i mean, ive order lots of stuff from US using UPS WORLDWIDE_EXPRESS before |
| 22:50.56 | Psi_ | *ordered |
| 22:51.04 | arachnid | Psi_: Not entirely sure, no |
| 22:51.10 | arachnid | Let me know if you ask them. :) |
| 22:51.11 | Psi_ | i might hold off then |
| 22:51.18 | webjames | the firefox said something about the security certificate, and i don't see that the buying page is secured? |
| 22:51.29 | arachnid | It's secured, but I think it's a self-signed cert |
| 22:51.42 | arachnid | xkr47: That is indeed a nice discount |
| 22:51.45 | galexande | yeahthat's the smart thing to do |
| 22:51.52 | *** part/#openmoko sagacis (n=sagacis@cpe-76-185-118-188.tx.res.rr.com) |
| 22:51.53 | arachnid | Psi_: If it's a mistake, other distant countries have similar issues. |
| 22:51.58 | arachnid | s/issues/prices/ |
| 22:52.38 | Tv | xkr47: heh, I ended up solving that by being in the US while ordering :-p |
| 22:52.39 | duffyd | does anyone know what the email address is for the order confirmation? |
| 22:52.45 | duffyd | I might flick them an email |
| 22:52.54 | xkr47 | Tv, how much does it cost there :) |
| 22:53.04 | xkr47 | Tv, bring us some phones too ?-D |
| 22:53.05 | galexande | jeesh, mokomakefile downloads a *ton* of stuff |
| 22:53.21 | Tv | xkr47: figuring it out, but it said they're shipping from from california, so it's all in one state for me |
| 22:53.36 | Tv | xkr47: i won't be back until September, you'd gnaw your fingers off |
| 22:53.50 | xkr47 | yours too :D |
| 22:54.00 | xkr47 | ok.. |
| 22:54.04 | BlackBsd | what software does a new dev need to download to play with the code and apps on a pc? |
| 22:54.12 | notserpe | I wish FedEx was an option because UPS to Canada usually results in stupid mammoth fees as mentioned, unless you do it ground and refuse delivery and then go and broker it yourself. rediculous. I'd pay extra for FexEx delivery knowing the problems. |
| 22:54.19 | xkr47 | hope you can get a decent "liittymä" from there :) |
| 22:55.07 | galexande | black, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
| 22:55.22 | Tv | xkr47: using prepaid with filtered internet access |
| 22:55.28 | Tv | xkr47: sucky but i don't care right now |
| 22:55.37 | xkr47 | good luck :) |
| 22:55.40 | galexande | when i went to UPS and tried to ship something international, the girl behind the counter told me "you know, any other shipper will give you a much better rate than us." |
| 22:56.17 | notserpe | can the powers that be add Fedex as a shipping opt? |
| 22:56.53 | Psi_ | arachnid, are you in akl? |
| 22:57.22 | arachnid | No, Christchurch |
| 22:57.38 | BlackBsd | is the maybe going to be google maps integration |
| 22:57.50 | arachnid | Once there's a browser, I'm sure there will be |
| 22:57.52 | galexande | black, of course |
| 22:58.09 | Psi_ | do we know (or suspect) if they have already run out of phones from the current batch? |
| 22:58.16 | arachnid | Confirmed: The openmoko store cert is self-signed |
| 22:58.19 | Psi_ | id imagine there have been a fair amount of orders so far |
| 22:58.24 | arachnid | Psi_: We don't know, but I don't think so |
| 22:58.34 | Tv | gah blank page |
| 22:58.46 | Tv | *waah* mommy i want a phone |
| 23:00.19 | Tv | ah saying CA helped |
| 23:01.18 | xkr47 | Tv, mitäs waahtoat siellä :D |
| 23:01.58 | univac | ihtsalt ei anna süüa |
| 23:03.36 | galexande | psi, there have been ~130 orders, probably few of those are more than 2x, so maybe 250 phones claimed so far at most |
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| 23:04.03 | Psi_ | and do we know how many they have? |
| 23:04.10 | galexande | psi, on the order of 900 |
| 23:04.16 | Psi_ | nice |
| 23:04.40 | Psi_ | but that postage is worse than a kick in the head :( |
| 23:04.45 | duffyd | just placed my 2nd order as didn't receive a confirmation email for the first |
| 23:05.08 | Psi_ | duffyd, you do realise that there webserver is probably just slow |
| 23:05.11 | arachnid | I should've been patient and tried to find people to group with |
| 23:05.17 | galexande | yeah |
| 23:05.27 | arachnid | group _order_, that is |
| 23:05.28 | duffyd | Psi_: well is 1 hour too long? |
| 23:05.30 | arachnid | Too manny MMOs ;) |
| 23:05.35 | arachnid | s/manny/many/ |
| 23:05.37 | galexande | or move to america...give up basic civil liberties for cheap fast shipping on all the newest toys |
| 23:05.38 | xkr47 | Tv, tuus #openmoko-fi kanavalle hengaa ? :) |
| 23:05.43 | duffyd | Psi_: decided after an hour to place another order |
| 23:05.55 | xkr47 | sorry for the finnish :P |
| 23:05.59 | Psi_ | duffyd, i wouldnt have ordered again until maybe 2 days later |
| 23:06.04 | arachnid | Those who would give up essential liberties for cheap toys shall have neither liberties nor toys? ;) |
| 23:06.06 | duffyd | Psi_: doh |
| 23:06.29 | duffyd | Psi_: but it appeared that most people received confirmation emails straight away |
| 23:06.35 | galexande | i shall have my toys!! |
| 23:06.37 | ajmitch | duffyd: oh well, now you'll have a spare to send over to NZ :) |
| 23:06.44 | Tv | xkr47: gah more channels |
| 23:06.45 | duffyd | ajmitch: lol |
| 23:06.55 | xkr47 | yeah |
| 23:07.04 | Psi_ | well its definitely possible that your first one didnt get through, but you are risking getting two phones |
| 23:07.13 | thomasg_gpm | galexande, don't you think it should be more orders than 130 now? |
| 23:07.20 | Tv | "Your Order request has been processed." |
| 23:07.21 | Tv | woowoo |
| 23:07.22 | galexande | thomas, probably |
| 23:07.25 | duffyd | Psi_: true. I emailed sean directly re. the double order, though |
| 23:07.45 | duffyd | as I met up with him when I was in Taipei last |
| 23:07.48 | ajmitch | Psi_: you're in NZ as well? |
| 23:07.54 | Psi_ | yes |
| 23:08.01 | thomasg_gpm | galexande, because openmoko.com was heavy in use before some minutes :) |
| 23:08.05 | duffyd | Psi_: oh really?! cool ;-) |
| 23:08.36 | duffyd | Psi_: whereabouts in NZ? |
| 23:08.40 | Psi_ | akl |
| 23:08.45 | duffyd | cool! |
| 23:08.51 | duffyd | my hometown :-) |
| 23:08.53 | Psi_ | heh |
| 23:09.07 | duffyd | well the North Shore to be more precise |
| 23:09.44 | Psi_ | Australia gets worldwide-expedited, but its only $4 cheaper than saver |
| 23:09.53 | andylockran | what's expedited mean? |
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| 23:10.06 | cjb | faster |
| 23:10.07 | Psi_ | "made quicker" |
| 23:10.19 | hads | heh |
| 23:10.20 | andylockran | why is that cheaper than the saver option? |
| 23:10.29 | Psi_ | different company |
| 23:10.43 | Psi_ | but i really fail to understand where the bulk of that cost is coming from |
| 23:11.00 | duffyd | Psi_: processing in China ;-) |
| 23:11.05 | Psi_ | ah |
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| 23:11.17 | hads | International shipping is just generally expensive. |
| 23:11.22 | andylockran | to be honest though, even at £184 (what it cost me) it's still an absolute bargain - but would prefer to be giving all the money to FIC a Sean as a thank you, rather than to UPS or whichever shipping company it is thta ships the thing |
| 23:11.25 | duffyd | lots of 'red envelopes' to get it through customs ;-) |
| 23:11.43 | Psi_ | hads, its normally around US$30-$40 |
| 23:12.11 | andylockran | there could be some overheads at FIC internally to box them all up?.. maybe? |
| 23:12.19 | Psi_ | possibly |
| 23:12.24 | DukeOfUrl | + |
| 23:12.28 | andylockran | or hopefully to pay them to work overtime tonight to get them shipped :p |
| 23:12.39 | hads | Psi_: That varies a lot. I do quite a bit of shipping from International -> NZ |
| 23:12.52 | myk_ | after ordering, i got a message from rt.internal.openmoko.org with an order ID; are the IDs sequential? |
| 23:12.53 | aloril | myk_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 23:12.53 | duffyd | hads: you another NZer? |
| 23:13.07 | hads | duffyd: Yes, Timaru. |
| 23:13.10 | Psi_ | the phones are being shipped to FIC America |
| 23:13.15 | duffyd | myk_: what was your Order ID? |
| 23:13.23 | Psi_ | according to the announcement |
| 23:13.26 | duffyd | hads: wow you must be feeling the cold :-( |
| 23:13.43 | myk_ | duffyd: 1987 |
| 23:13.47 | Psi_ | so there shouldnt be any processing in china |
| 23:13.52 | DukeOfUrl | my cat did that. i need a daemon that detects when the cat is laying on the keyboard... |
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| 23:14.02 | hads | duffyd: A little, it's nice today :) |
| 23:14.06 | duffyd | myk_: ok, cool. Just that someone said something earlier about the order ids starting at a certain number |
| 23:14.15 | myk_ | DukeOfUrl: an NPR program reported on such software yesterday |
| 23:14.15 | duffyd | hads: cool. I'm from Chch, currently living in Taiwan |
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| 23:14.29 | hads | duffyd: Cool :) |
| 23:14.39 | myk_ | duffyd: i hope that's true, since i don't want to be the 1987th person ordering one of the first 400 phones! :-/ |
| 23:14.47 | ajmitch | hads: better get in quick :) |
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| 23:14.55 | duffyd | myk_: lol |
| 23:15.10 | Tehkain | Does anyone have a link to the predicted specs of the final(massmarket) phone? |
| 23:15.11 | aloril | Tehkain: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 23:15.37 | hads | ajmitch: Yeah. I think there's quite a few phones done though. |
| 23:16.10 | duffyd | Psi_: for me it's almost worth taking a bus to Taipei to pick one up as the bus trip only costs about NZ$40 return and I'll probably get one faster :-) |
| 23:16.19 | andylockran | building 'make openmoko-devel-image' Intel Pentium M 1400Mhz Laptop with 1GB RAM.. can I take bets on how long it'll take please? |
| 23:16.19 | Psi_ | hehe |
| 23:16.29 | Psi_ | duffyd, but they are shipping from US tho? |
| 23:16.33 | ajmitch | duffyd: and shipping to NZ would probably be cheaper, too... :) |
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| 23:16.48 | roh | andylockran about 8hours with fast ip |
| 23:17.01 | duffyd | Psi_: yeah but apparently Sean offered to sell them direct to people in person if they wanted them |
| 23:17.11 | andylockran | excellent - so I can sleep and wake up tomorrow to mokomakefile complete |
| 23:17.15 | andylockran | fantastic :s |
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| 23:18.05 | andylockran | roh: how about Pentium 4 HT 2.8Ghz with 2GB RAM? |
| 23:19.58 | Psi_ | is there a checkbox for which color phone we want? i didnt see one as far as i got with the order? |
| 23:20.11 | duffyd | Psi_: no |
| 23:20.23 | duffyd | Psi_: apparently you've gotta specify that in the comments |
| 23:20.32 | BlackBsd | i think some code depends on qmake |
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| 23:21.15 | mrfeeti2 | how precise are the accelerometers |
| 23:21.59 | mjr | mrfeeti1, there is no solid info on that at this point |
| 23:22.10 | mjr | speculation that they are wasit 7-bit |
| 23:22.18 | andylockran | I'm waiting in anticipation as much for the colour as the actual phone itself |
| 23:23.38 | duffyd | from my calculations it appears that about 156 have been sold to date |
| 23:23.58 | hads | 156 orders? |
| 23:24.04 | duffyd | well as of myk_'s order anyway |
| 23:24.09 | roh | andylockran dunno.. i luckyly do not own netburst based cpus |
| 23:24.14 | duffyd | hads: yup |
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| 23:24.34 | hads | duffyd: So probably a few people ordered >= 2 |
| 23:24.43 | duffyd | possibly |
| 23:24.43 | roh | andylockran but on my core2duo 2.3 it takes about 6hours on one cpu for the initial build... at least it took a few month ago |
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| 23:25.04 | myk_ | duffyd: is that based on the lowest order number you've heard about so far? |
| 23:25.19 | andylockran | roh: cheers.. yeah - gonna definately leave it on whilst I sleep |
| 23:25.40 | andylockran | roh: and now I shall sleep |
| 23:25.42 | duffyd | myk_: yes |
| 23:26.01 | roh | andylockran also hdd and internet performance is playing in... since the build-process downloads a lot of packages while on the way |
| 23:26.14 | duffyd | well according to my IRC logs: Jul 09 03:47:25 <Tyrael> assigned an ID of [rt.internal.openmoko.org #1823]. |
| 23:26.20 | andylockran | I've got 24MBps internet here so that shouldn't be a limitation :) |
| 23:26.25 | duffyd | that's the earliest number I can find |
| 23:26.27 | Psi_ | if i was FIC i would send people black phones unless they specify orange, since the black ones are more popular from the 'buying interest list'. |
| 23:26.29 | duffyd | well reported one anyway |
| 23:26.39 | roh | andylockran nice ;) |
| 23:26.54 | bmidgley | the 'dialer' button looks like an IR panel on the black phone |
| 23:26.59 | ebbe | Does anyone know if they only ship from US? |
| 23:27.08 | roh | Psi_ oh.. do we not have a field to select the color? |
| 23:27.12 | cjb | I'd send everyone both covers and allow them to mix and match :) |
| 23:27.16 | bmidgley | for a long time I couldn't find the button :( |
| 23:27.17 | myk_ | Psi_: i would think it the other way around: to make sure to satisfy people who express a preference for black, send everyone else orange! |
| 23:27.17 | andylockran | Good Luck with delivery times everyone.. I want to see photos of the neo on everyone's blogs |
| 23:27.17 | SpeedEvil | roh: no |
| 23:27.39 | andylockran | night! |
| 23:27.45 | SpeedEvil | roh: also - there should be _much_ larger 'this is not a working phone' page |
| 23:27.48 | myk_ | duffyd: ah, ok, thanks; perhaps the lower numbers were used up in testing |
| 23:27.50 | Psi_ | myk_, im glad i didnt rush in and order :) |
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| 23:28.09 | duffyd | myk_: well according to my IRC logs they used numbers from the 'issue collector' |
| 23:28.14 | Psi_ | lost of important info needed first |
| 23:28.18 | Psi_ | *lots |
| 23:28.20 | Tv | so how does one choose the color of the phone? |
| 23:28.27 | duffyd | so the orders are issues in the collector |
| 23:28.43 | Psi_ | Tv, comments section apparently |
| 23:28.43 | myk_ | Psi_: i was thinking about specifying a color, but then i realized that i'm just going to replace it in a few months anyway, and i wear both orange and black (on alternate days), so it really doesn't matter which color i get this time :-) |
| 23:28.45 | hads | Tv: That's the FAQ of the hour. |
| 23:28.51 | aevin | the shop should have said how many they got in stock, updated as orders were sent. |
| 23:29.22 | aevin | but we'll survive without too ;-) can't get everything you wish for |
| 23:29.22 | duffyd | aevin: that would be good yes |
| 23:29.42 | Psi_ | can always get your orange phone painted any color with car paint :P |
| 23:29.46 | myk_ | duffyd: ah, that would explain the "rt" (request tracker) |
| 23:29.52 | aevin | i guess sean will reveal how the sale is going after a few days. |
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| 23:30.08 | duffyd | yeah. myk_ btw how long did it take for you to receive your order confirmation? |
| 23:30.23 | aevin | (perhaps excusing themselves for not being able to produce enough devices quickly enough) |
| 23:30.58 | myk_ | duffyd: i haven't received a confirmation yet, just the auto reply (which explicitly says at the bottom that I "will receive another message as order confirmation after our staff has accepted it") |
| 23:31.41 | duffyd | myk_: oh |
| 23:31.41 | poffy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.41 | mjr | poffy, no |
| 23:31.41 | poffy | Awesome. |
| 23:31.41 | myk_ | duffyd: i got the auto reply within a few seconds, which is actually strange, since my mail server uses greylisting, which means i usually don't get messages from new sending servers for 15-30 minutes |
| 23:31.53 | mjr | You can even go proprietary. But that would be evil, of course. |
| 23:31.56 | duffyd | myk_: yeah I use greylisting too |
| 23:32.04 | Aria | I got mine in seconds, too, though I'm on the ML, so the greylist was already passed, I think |
| 23:32.05 | duffyd | still haven't got my reply :-( |
| 23:32.18 | myk_ | Aria: aha! i am too, so perhaps that's why |
| 23:32.20 | aevin | Tv: perhaps you can try to specify the color you want in the extra "comment" field (don't know if they'll be able to comply, though, but i guess it's worth a shot) |
| 23:32.28 | myk_ | duffyd: are you subscribed to the mailing list? |
| 23:32.43 | duffyd | myk_: yup, both the announcment and community lists |
| 23:32.54 | Tv | aevin: yeah just read the mailing list; i'll reply to rt |
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| 23:33.37 | ebbe | Does anyone know if they only ship from US? |
| 23:33.39 | linux_galore | YO YO Moko nuts |
| 23:33.40 | aevin | *catch up on the ML while waiting for the laundry to finish* |
| 23:33.51 | linux_galore | :-P |
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| 23:34.20 | aevin | ebbe: the fab is in china. i don't think they only ship from US. |
| 23:34.25 | myk_ | i wish they had an option to "pick up in Fremont", since i work about 20 minutes from there |
| 23:34.45 | roh | SpeedEvil eeehh.. ok.. our fuckup |
| 23:35.01 | roh | SpeedEvil just fill your color-wish into the comment field |
| 23:35.09 | ebbe | aevin: I understand from the ML that they'll send every phone to US.. |
| 23:35.29 | mjr | roh, good, 'cause that's what I did :) |
| 23:35.44 | roh | mjr also mails in reply to the ticket help. |
| 23:36.00 | Speedy2 | Is "Sean" really in Oceanside? |
| 23:36.39 | roh | ah.. and since some people overlook it. the mail from the RT is no order confirmation. its just a order arrival-reciept.. we need to check the CC validity before you get a order confirmation |
| 23:38.43 | myk_ | roh: are you an OpenMoko employee? |
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| 23:40.44 | Elrond | Speedy2 - How common are PLLs, that multiply/divide by numbers in the 1e8 or 4e9 range? |
| 23:40.49 | Elrond | Huh. |
| 23:40.58 | linux_galore | hmm openmoko.com is slow |
| 23:41.00 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - How common are PLLs, that multiply/divide by numbers in the 1e8 or 4e9 range? |
| 23:41.12 | mjr | linux_galore, it's been digged... |
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| 23:41.14 | Speedy2 | Elrond: Not unheard of. |
| 23:41.23 | hads | linux_galore: /topic |
| 23:41.52 | Speedy2 | Elrond: There is usually some high-speed prescalar, used to be in SiGe, maybe now CMOS. |
| 23:41.54 | xkr47 | anyone have a clue if the screen is more readable against a black cover than against a white cover |
| 23:42.04 | cjb | xkr47: looks same with either to me |
| 23:42.14 | cjb | it's just plastic :) |
| 23:43.11 | cesarb | xkr47: I'd guess it would depend on which one is more reflective... but the difference would be minuscule |
| 23:43.24 | xkr47 | cjb, I just wondered if there's any differency in certain light conditions (for example bright sunlight) |
| 23:43.42 | cesarb | xkr47: what really matters is the back part of the LCD, and that doesn't depend on the case color |
| 23:44.39 | cjb | xkr47: I don't think there is. |
| 23:44.41 | Elrond | Speedy2 - Hmm. And the output of the multiply in the 1.5GHz range? |
| 23:44.55 | xkr47 | ok thanks :) |
| 23:45.45 | Speedy2 | Elrond: Just wondering, this purely hypothetical or are you trying to build something? |
| 23:45.46 | roh | myk_ yes |
| 23:45.50 | arachnid | That's a good question |
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| 23:45.58 | arachnid | Is the screen transreflective? |
| 23:46.12 | Elrond | Speedy2 - I'm trying to guess up a possible design in a real chip. Doing reverse engineering. ;-) |
| 23:46.14 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: analog.com maxim-ic.com |
| 23:46.24 | xkr47 | arachnid, only transmissive afaik |
| 23:46.32 | arachnid | ah well |
| 23:46.42 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: for example, the fractional-n synth from AD that I was looking at yesterday. A 10 bit N and a 14 bit R counter. |
| 23:46.48 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Ahh, good idea. :-) |
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| 23:46.56 | myk_ | roh: so do i understand correctly that i can reply to the autoreply with a color preference if i didn't specify one during the ordering process? |
| 23:46.56 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: you feed the input clock in, which gets divided by N |
| 23:47.21 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: there is then a PLL, and a divider by R on the output |
| 23:47.41 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: the result is that you can get any frequency of N/M * Fin out |
| 23:47.51 | obscurite | sorry for the newbie question, but I was wondering if there are any US (t-mobile even better) neo users who can comment on the usability as a main phone? |
| 23:47.51 | aloril | obscurite: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 23:48.03 | SpeedEvil | obscurite: not |
| 23:48.08 | SpeedEvil | obscurite: months at least yet |
| 23:48.14 | Aria | obscurite: Once we receive ours we can tell you how they work ;-) |
| 23:48.35 | SpeedEvil | obscurite: the software is nowhere near finished - it's pre-pre-pre-pre-alpha |
| 23:48.37 | obscurite | Very tempted to order a dev kit. |
| 23:48.37 | roh | myk_ yep. |
| 23:48.50 | SpeedEvil | ^pre |
| 23:49.01 | myk_ | roh: k, great, thanks for the tip! |
| 23:49.14 | roh | myk_ when you just hit reply it should be attached to the ticket |
| 23:49.17 | arachnid | obscurite: Note you don't need the Neo Advanced if you're just doing software development |
| 23:49.20 | roh | n.p. |
| 23:49.22 | obscurite | I'm not really sure what it's capable of doing at this point, the wiki/portal don't seem to have updated feature lists. |
| 23:49.27 | arachnid | Only the basic |
| 23:49.36 | Aria | It makes calls. Barely. |
| 23:49.41 | Aria | And you can log in and modify the software. |
| 23:49.53 | Elrond | roh - There really needs to be some clearer info on "This does not yet work as a normal phone, you REALLY should be a developer, if you want to buy it". |
| 23:50.18 | arachnid | Does it accept calls? |
| 23:50.21 | SpeedEvil | I put that on the wiki about 3 paras down on main page |
| 23:50.24 | Elrond | roh - And not so big "You only need the advanced, if you want to do u-boot (or tricky kernel) development." |
| 23:50.46 | obscurite | Are you guys going to use a cloned SIM of your existing GSM SIM when you get yours? |
| 23:51.03 | arachnid | I think I'm just going to transfer mine as needed |
| 23:51.04 | Aria | Nah, just going to put my SIM in it. |
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| 23:51.17 | arachnid | I won't be using it as my main phone until I can at least make and receive calls and send and receive text messages |
| 23:51.19 | Aria | I don't intend to break it that badly on a regular basis |
| 23:51.22 | arachnid | Which hopefully won't take long :) |
| 23:52.09 | obscurite | I was hoping it already made/received calls :) |
| 23:52.14 | arachnid | I can't browse the web on my current phone at the moment anyway, so anything extra is a bonus :P |
| 23:52.15 | Elrond | arachnid - Text messages will take time. "openmoko-messages" is even more preprepe-alpha than openmoko-dialer. |
| 23:52.25 | arachnid | you can make them - not sure if you can receive them |
| 23:52.33 | arachnid | Elrond: I intend to work on that myself, if nobody else gets in first. :P |
| 23:53.02 | arachnid | There was some discussion on the list to that effect |
| 23:53.05 | *** join/#openmoko lynx__ (n=lynx@port-87-234-114-48.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 23:53.10 | Elrond | arachnid - :-) Talk on the devel list before starting to code. I think, there were soem plans on a "from scratch" thingy. |
| 23:53.42 | Speedy2 | I wonder if Moko will go the way of the Zaurus. |
| 23:53.46 | arachnid | I'm on the community list already - I should join the devel one |
| 23:53.52 | arachnid | I certainly don't want to duplicate efforts |
| 23:53.52 | Elrond | Speedy2 - That is? |
| 23:54.02 | obscurite | If I'm not much of a hardware hacker but want to play around is it worth the advanced kit? |
| 23:54.10 | arachnid | But text messages seem even more suited to a conversation-based interface than emails, if anything |
| 23:54.13 | arachnid | obscurite: no |
| 23:54.17 | Aria | obscurite: Probably not then |
| 23:54.30 | arachnid | And every phone's text messaging interface I've used so far is klunky, to say the least. Based around email inbox/outbox concepts. |
| 23:54.45 | Speedy2 | Elrond: Good idea, dies due to more of a "hacking" platform than a real product. |
| 23:54.53 | Aria | Indeed. Blackberry gets it right, in that it displays Emails as conversations and IMs the same as Emails |
| 23:54.59 | Elrond | obscurite - You need the advanced kit, if you want to touch u-boot (boot loader) or do tricky kernel development (where you need the serial console) |
| 23:55.23 | hads | arachnid: The Treo 650 isn't too bad. |
| 23:55.55 | arachnid | hads: Haven't used it, actually. |
| 23:55.56 | Elrond | Speedy2 - Ahh. |
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| 23:56.26 | obscurite | Any idea if there will be an upgrade price for GTA02 for dev kit owners? |
| 23:56.41 | obscurite | Sorry for all the annoying questions. |
| 23:56.43 | doc|home | yes, $450 :) |
| 23:56.43 | obscurite | Heh. |
| 23:56.46 | Speedy2 | Elrond: Example, lot of work put into OPIE / OpenZ. Where is it all now? |
| 23:57.00 | myk_ | Speedy2: well, product development is hard, and lots of products fail, so anything's possible |
| 23:57.09 | obscurite | doc|home - $450 seems to be the standard price |
| 23:57.13 | Elrond | Speedy2 - OpenEmbedded is now the basis of OpenMoko ;-) |
| 23:57.29 | Speedy2 | Elrond: That's infrastructure, not a product. |
| 23:57.33 | myk_ | Speedy2: but i do think the OpenMoko folks are focused on a quality end-user phone, not a hacking platform |
| 23:57.34 | doc|home | obscurite: exactly! (don't mind me, I've no diea and I'm only playing with you) |
| 23:57.37 | doc|home | *idea |
| 23:57.47 | Elrond | Speedy2 - Ahh, you mean: "Where's the hardware?" :-)) |
| 23:58.39 | Speedy2 | Elrond: No. I have a Zaurus sitting next to me. It fails at basic things like legit power management, etc. |
| 23:58.41 | Elrond | obscurite - The "discount on GTA02 for people buying GTA01" has been converted to "discound on all GTA01". ;-) |
| 23:58.42 | myk_ | kissing a velociraptor *lol* |
| 23:58.43 | obscurite | Are any of you also zaurus hackers? |
| 23:59.07 | obscurite | the velociraptor video kicked ass |
| 23:59.13 | Elrond | Speedy2 - Yuck? Still those basic things aren't right? :-| |
| 23:59.14 | Speedy2 | Elrond: The Moko hardware is real. But the software has to be good, not just barely functional. But anyway, just some of my thoughts. |
| 23:59.18 | arachnid | obscurite: $300 for the first release _is_ the discount for people buying it. :) |
| 23:59.29 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: zaurus is still alive and kicking, check out #angstrom |
| 23:59.51 | Speedy2 | More people re-inveting infrastructure. |