| 00:03.34 | linux_galore | YAY!...six more days to go. |
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| 00:04.13 | k|to | usb host... yes or no? |
| 00:04.39 | summatusmentis | iirc, yes, but it's unpowered? |
| 00:04.51 | k|to | hmmm, I wonder if my camera cares |
| 00:05.00 | k|to | its got its own batteries, you'd think it'd be ok |
| 00:05.13 | mjr | they often care regardless |
| 00:05.20 | k|to | ...bastards! |
| 00:05.31 | mjr | that's what I've said |
| 00:05.57 | k|to | maybe I can take the batteries out, and put them into a usb power line :) |
| 00:06.04 | k|to | that ought to fool it |
| 00:06.14 | mjr | thing is, voltage in the usb line is a good indicator that it's hooked up |
| 00:06.20 | mjr | so it's often used as such |
| 00:06.30 | mjr | even if the device actually doesn't need any power |
| 00:06.36 | mjr | from there, anyway |
| 00:06.42 | k|to | couldn't the neo provide 5V @ 0,1mA? |
| 00:06.49 | mjr | it can't |
| 00:07.10 | SpeedEvil | There is no 5V converter in there. |
| 00:07.12 | k|to | oh well |
| 00:07.17 | Elrond | It could, using the dc-dc converter. |
| 00:07.21 | SpeedEvil | At least yet. |
| 00:07.33 | mjr | yes, it coulda shoulda woulda |
| 00:07.33 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - The pcf thingy can't go to 5V?! |
| 00:07.35 | mjr | but it can't |
| 00:07.50 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: It probably could - but there is no hardware there. |
| 00:08.04 | k|to | still, I'm sure there is some kind of synergy I can find between the neo and my SLR |
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| 00:08.26 | SpeedEvil | Port OpenMoko to the SLR! |
| 00:08.29 | mjr | the usb host functionality is kinda a byproduct of the soc anyway |
| 00:08.51 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 00:09.05 | k|to | heh, it'd be interesting having an open source SLR |
| 00:09.16 | k|to | although I'm pretty happy with the existing firmware |
| 00:09.42 | k|to | unlike with most phones the firmware seems to do everything I can think of that'd be relevant |
| 00:10.10 | k|to | well, thanks for answering my question... |
| 00:10.14 | k|to | I'm off to bed |
| 00:10.16 | k|to | 'nite all |
| 00:10.19 | SpeedEvil | Night. |
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| 00:10.51 | Elrond | Huh. |
| 00:10.53 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - : |
| 00:10.53 | Elrond | +static u_int8_t dcudc_voltage(unsigned int millivolts) |
| 00:10.55 | Elrond | ... |
| 00:11.02 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 00:11.06 | Elrond | + if (millivolts > 5500) |
| 00:11.06 | Elrond | + return 0x1f; |
| 00:11.07 | Elrond | ... |
| 00:11.08 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe it can. |
| 00:11.22 | SpeedEvil | Isn't that the battery in voltage? |
| 00:11.23 | Elrond | + millivolts -= 4000; |
| 00:11.23 | Elrond | + return millivolts/100; |
| 00:11.24 | Elrond | ... |
| 00:11.45 | Elrond | No, that's the "how to convert SI to bits for the dc-dc-converter. |
| 00:11.59 | SpeedEvil | Anyway. SI? |
| 00:12.01 | Elrond | So 0xa is 5V. :-) |
| 00:12.11 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes. |
| 00:12.25 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - SI== standard unit system. ;-) |
| 00:12.27 | SpeedEvil | Even if you can set a voltage rail for 5V, that may be a very bad thing. |
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| 00:12.55 | SpeedEvil | And software settable voltage rails strike me as a bad plan generally. |
| 00:13.01 | Elrond | Right. Not to mention, that none of those dcdc-converters is linked to the usb. :-) |
| 00:13.38 | SpeedEvil | It's probably quite simple to tie a 5V generator to the battery input voltage and the 3.3V rail. |
| 00:13.47 | SpeedEvil | Using the 3.3V line as an enable. |
| 00:13.50 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Oh well... don't get me started on that... the kernel send 1.xV instead of 3.3V to the gps chip for ages... ;o) |
| 00:14.04 | SpeedEvil | And solder it to the USB |
| 00:14.28 | SpeedEvil | Soldering of course will be fun. |
| 00:15.11 | Elrond | You'd need to be very careful. The usb thing is usually used the other way round. Sending power to some host is bad idea, I guess. |
| 00:15.22 | SpeedEvil | Well. |
| 00:15.33 | SpeedEvil | It would need to have a current limit |
| 00:15.49 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if the USB spec says anything about this. |
| 00:15.52 | SpeedEvil | I suspect not |
| 00:16.03 | SpeedEvil | USB spec sucks anyway. |
| 00:16.12 | Elrond | USB OTG says something, I'd guess. ;o) |
| 00:16.20 | SpeedEvil | It should have had from day 1 a 'high power' mode for suitable devices. |
| 00:16.29 | SpeedEvil | 30V @0.5A |
| 00:16.50 | SpeedEvil | Plug a device into a 'high power' hub, and if the device requests it, it gets the high power feed. |
| 00:17.00 | SpeedEvil | 15W will cover most devices. |
| 00:17.13 | SpeedEvil | 2.5W misses out a lot. |
| 00:17.13 | mjr | that would have been nice |
| 00:17.17 | mjr | also 3.3V :] |
| 00:17.19 | Elrond | Hmmm, yeah. |
| 00:17.40 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Well, imageine those crappy dumb chargers then doing 30V ;o| |
| 00:17.46 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - only 5V is mandatory to support. |
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| 00:18.54 | Elrond | I guess they knew from day 1, that people would create dumb chargers. and wanted to stop anyone from creating a 30V dumb charger. :-) |
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| 00:19.30 | Elrond | Anyway. I _really_ need to go to bed now. :) |
| 00:21.52 | SpeedEvil | A dumb charger isn't actually precluded in the USB spec. |
| 00:21.57 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
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| 00:22.09 | SpeedEvil | it's a valid state for an unconnected hub. |
| 00:24.04 | galexande | i think usb is supposed to negotiate whether or not the hub can provide power, and how much |
| 00:25.16 | happycube | look what happened when apple raised the 1394 voltage/current on the g5 |
| 00:25.18 | happycube | it roasted a few hubs |
| 00:25.19 | happycube | ;) |
| 00:31.24 | SpeedEvil | galexande: that's not quite how it works. |
| 00:31.43 | SpeedEvil | galexande: the computer talks to each device as it's connected, and configures them. |
| 00:32.23 | SpeedEvil | If there is no computer at the host side of the hub IIRC having 5V on the hub outputs is valid |
| 00:32.36 | SpeedEvil | Even with no active USB bus. |
| 00:32.53 | SpeedEvil | The problem arises then though that there is no way to tell what current is available. |
| 00:39.17 | galexande | speed, yeah, exactly :) |
| 00:39.27 | galexande | but your dumb device can draw half an amp and find out whether or not it works :) |
| 00:39.40 | SpeedEvil | That's also outside the USB spec. |
| 00:40.06 | galexande | *sigh* |
| 00:40.09 | SpeedEvil | If the hub is in fact connected to a system in suspend, powering other devices in suspend, you can trip off the bus. |
| 00:40.27 | SpeedEvil | Causing much nastiness when it comes out of suspend. |
| 00:40.38 | SpeedEvil | Horrible little corner cases. |
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| 01:13.55 | linux_galore | had to happen, make your WM5/6 mobile phone look like an iPhone (nice hack though) http://www.i-hacked.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=253 |
| 01:16.02 | cesarb | How do I make the on-screen keyboard appear? |
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| 01:21.05 | cjb | cesarb: white box at top |
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| 01:25.09 | cesarb | hm, how come I never noticed it? |
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| 01:52.38 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Alternate_Neo1973_case_designs]] [[Neo1973_case_schematics]] [[Category:Neo1973_Hardware]] [[Alternate_Neo1973_case_ideas]] |
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| 01:58.57 | peepsalot | yarg, wish i could get this infernal qemu to work |
| 01:59.20 | mosno | qemu drove me to vmware |
| 01:59.38 | mosno | apparently the accelerated part is non-free (ie. a seperate app) |
| 01:59.53 | peepsalot | mosno, do you emulate openmoko hardware on vmware? |
| 01:59.55 | mosno | and it was flaky as hell (high proc loads would cause strange behaviour in the guest os) |
| 02:00.02 | mosno | peepsalot: no |
| 02:01.59 | peepsalot | i followed the instructions on the wiki, but it fails when running flash.sh |
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| 02:02.36 | peepsalot | it tries to call sleep with a bunch of invalid values (non-numbers) |
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| 02:46.06 | juri_ | qemu acceleration is now gpl'd. |
| 02:46.40 | cjb | wasn't that six months ago or so? |
| 02:47.07 | juri_ | as for the issues.. its open source. its issues are your own. be worth your salt, and your applications would start working. or maybe, just maybe you'd be good enough to fix it when it breaks. |
| 02:47.12 | juri_ | </endrant> |
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| 03:14.12 | empty_mind | morning all |
| 03:14.58 | summatusmentis | well, I guess... (it's 23:12 here) :-D |
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| 06:51.42 | linux_galore | !counter |
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| 06:52.49 | linux_galore | counter? |
| 06:52.49 | aloril | "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: (last update 2007-07-02T06:19) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 6 days 05:07:10 (6.213±1.0 days) (1665;243) |
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| 07:16.55 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:31.28 | xkr47 | counter |
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| 07:52.38 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Application_Developer]] |
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| 08:04.07 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:07.46 | bmidgley | the 30-second method described on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Battery_Charger |
| 08:07.50 | bmidgley | isn't implemented I guess |
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| 08:27.23 | Stephmw | mornin' |
| 08:27.41 | ewanm89_laptop | mornin' |
| 08:28.04 | mosno | evening |
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| 08:55.39 | gamin | wasn't there going to be another announcement? I wonder if I missed it. |
| 08:56.25 | gamin | "Sometime later today or early tomorrow we're going to make another announcement asking for some advice." |
| 08:57.00 | gamin | from Sean's email from 28th of June |
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| 09:25.46 | edistar | good morning! |
| 09:29.43 | ewanm89_1aptop | morning |
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| 09:52.18 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Neo1973_case_schematics]] |
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| 10:40.39 | SpeedEvil | gamin: I may have effectively sidestepped that by sending the list of stuff I want in a webstore |
| 10:40.51 | SpeedEvil | And then Sean responded. |
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| 10:58.17 | CM | ? |
| 10:59.00 | rwhitby | they were just listing the good points about the iPhone ... |
| 10:59.02 | SpeedEvil | They are using UTF-" " |
| 10:59.29 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: you win that one. |
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| 11:01.44 | mjr | SpeedEvil, is that the one where you put all possible unicode strings into canonical order, and the amount of spaces determines which string we want to transmit? |
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| 11:05.23 | SpeedEvil | Dunno, I can't read the spec. |
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| 11:06.44 | mjr | I sense a bootstrapping issue here... |
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| 11:10.56 | ScaredyCat | a guitar pcik for $5 ?!!! |
| 11:15.28 | SpeedEvil | It was a suggestion, based on prices that'll probably give FIC some profit |
| 11:15.57 | SpeedEvil | If this is the specified case opening tool, that they have found to work well, I don't have a problem with it. |
| 11:15.58 | koen | $0.50 for the pick and $4.50 for the overhead involved |
| 11:16.21 | SpeedEvil | I wouldn't off-hand know where to get a guitar pick. |
| 11:16.28 | SpeedEvil | Well, I'd imagine ebay |
| 11:16.30 | koen | judging from LaF0rge's blog they had to import the picks as well :) |
| 11:16.39 | koen | SpeedEvil: music store |
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| 11:17.00 | SpeedEvil | I don't know where my nearest music store is. |
| 11:17.13 | SpeedEvil | For $5, I'm not likely to bother finding out |
| 11:17.32 | SpeedEvil | On another topic. |
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| 11:17.43 | SpeedEvil | What's the current state of calling/receiving calls? |
| 11:17.48 | SpeedEvil | Does it 'just work' yet? |
| 11:17.51 | koen | every misunderstood 14 year old needs them, so every town will have a selling point ;) |
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| 11:30.29 | SpeedEvil | Naah. |
| 11:30.41 | SpeedEvil | Now they have WoW, and can wave a big sword about in compensation. |
| 11:32.08 | ScaredyCat | mind you, if you cand find something like a guitar pick laying around where you're working.... you probably should;t be opening it :) |
| 11:32.34 | SpeedEvil | I almost certainly can. |
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| 11:34.38 | koen | "thumbnail" works as well |
| 11:34.51 | koen | so stop biting your nails ;) |
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| 11:35.11 | ScaredyCat | it's the only food I can afford :P |
| 11:35.26 | ScaredyCat | toys > food |
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| 11:53.18 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Introduction]] |
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| 12:02.06 | aloril | counter |
| 12:02.06 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-02T06:19) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 5 days 23:57:53 (5.999±1.0 days) (1667;243) |
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| 12:07.51 | Ruprecht | OpenMoko, OpenMoko, OpenMoko, OpenMoko |
| 12:08.02 | Basheri | ok........ |
| 12:08.57 | ScaredyCat | s/nail/nails/ |
| 12:10.28 | dotmef | meh. I was running in circles anyway :D |
| 12:10.38 | dotmef | counter |
| 12:10.40 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-02T06:19) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 5 days 23:49:21 (5.993±1.0 days) (1668;243) |
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| 12:21.23 | PBeck | hi |
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| 12:29.42 | zecke | ho |
| 12:33.02 | florian | hi PBeck, hi zecke |
| 12:34.17 | zecke | hi |
| 12:34.39 | zecke | florian: did you have time to take a look at the greenphone? |
| 12:35.31 | ScaredyCat | are you allowed to say that in here ;) |
| 12:35.35 | florian | zecke: to some extent... i forgot to order the correct rs232 line driver. |
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| 12:43.05 | PBeck | hi zecke hi florian |
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| 12:57.49 | ewon | o/ |
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| 13:25.32 | aloril | linux_galore: why GTA02? why not 100 GTA02's for 100 best hacks (or give 10 GTA02's for 10 best hacks, and 90 GTA02's in reduced price for next 90 best hacks (say $100-$200) and another 900 GTA02'a reduced price for next 900 best hacks (say $350)) |
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| 13:26.52 | ScaredyCat | wtf.. |
| 13:27.04 | ScaredyCat | have the disk space requirements increased ???? |
| 13:27.46 | aloril | if you rerun, it consumes more space usually (if you don't have rm_work) |
| 13:27.59 | ScaredyCat | I have rm_work... |
| 13:29.50 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, remove all but the recent images in deploy |
| 13:30.29 | hrw | I would remove all images |
| 13:30.35 | hrw | they are cheap to rebuild |
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| 13:34.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 626 has been created by cm(AT)acc.umu.se |
| 13:34.03 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-tasks-0.1+svnnow-r0_265 does not build |
| 13:34.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=626 |
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| 13:47.06 | ScaredyCat | that only gives me 29mb |
| 13:47.28 | ScaredyCat | I was under the impression tht 7.ggb was the build requirement... |
| 13:47.34 | ScaredyCat | 7.5 |
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| 13:52.58 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Translation]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Category:Neo1973_Hardware/es]] |
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| 14:06.03 | CM | ScaredyCat: What about the build/tmp dir? |
| 14:06.31 | CM | Do a du -hs * to see where everything is :) |
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| 14:25.16 | ScaredyCat | build/tmp has 1.21 jiggawatts of stuff in ti |
| 14:25.24 | ewon | heh |
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| 14:33.56 | ScaredyCat | 7.9G build/tmp/ |
| 14:34.09 | hrw | 7.9G? |
| 14:34.24 | hrw | I had even 20-40GB work dirs ;D |
| 14:34.43 | ScaredyCat | yes, which seems to be above the 7.5 gb |
| 14:34.46 | ScaredyCat | bleh.! |
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| 14:35.01 | ScaredyCat | I don;t have 20-40gb to spare on my laptop |
| 14:35.37 | Basheri | http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Samsung_Readies_8GB_microSD_Card/551-81172-581.html <--So this will work with neo1973? |
| 14:36.39 | SpeedEvil | There have been no positive reports on any cards >1G |
| 14:36.55 | SpeedEvil | No negative ones either though. |
| 14:37.37 | Basheri | ok :O |
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| 14:37.47 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 14:37.58 | ScaredyCat | any reports... of any type ? |
| 14:38.29 | SpeedEvil | 2G have only relatively recently dropped in price. |
| 14:38.38 | SpeedEvil | And 4G have only just shown up in stock |
| 14:38.44 | SpeedEvil | Generally. |
| 14:38.57 | Basheri | Just wondering cause wiki.openmoko.org/iphone refers to that site in the storage section |
| 14:38.58 | SpeedEvil | I suspect many people are/were holding off. |
| 14:39.05 | ewon | counter |
| 14:39.05 | aloril | (last update 2007-07-02T06:19) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 60% for P1 in 5 days 21:20:54 (5.890±1.0 days) (1669;243) |
| 14:39.15 | SpeedEvil | Because prices always drop. |
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| 14:39.48 | Basheri | + /wiki/ |
| 14:42.06 | aloril | claims 2GB has been tested: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards |
| 14:42.36 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 14:42.40 | SpeedEvil | Myust have been updated. |
| 14:42.47 | SpeedEvil | Or I suffered a parity error. |
| 14:43.02 | hrw | 2GB was tested long time ago iirc |
| 14:43.06 | Basheri | i wonder how much that 8gb costs :P |
| 14:43.24 | ScaredyCat | hrw: how much did it actually take .... |
| 14:43.37 | SpeedEvil | 8G probably isn't on the market yet. |
| 14:43.45 | aloril | yeah, recall seeing it being at that page long time ago |
| 14:44.03 | Basheri | SpeedEvil: true |
| 14:44.38 | SpeedEvil | January updated it was. |
| 14:45.34 | hrw | no idea ScaredyCat |
| 14:45.42 | ScaredyCat | aawwwwww... |
| 14:45.44 | Basheri | they didn't reveal the price yet =( |
| 14:46.10 | SpeedEvil | Probably around 4* 4G |
| 14:46.12 | SpeedEvil | at launch |
| 14:49.59 | Basheri | 8o |
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| 15:01.25 | CoreDump|home | hi |
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| 15:01.56 | PBeck | is it realistic to say that the gta_02 comes in october? |
| 15:02.14 | PBeck | how far is the development? |
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| 15:02.39 | mjr | They're saying it, so I think they think it's realistic. I personally shan't be surprised if it'll get delayed... |
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| 15:04.25 | PBeck | mjr: i hope they have a puffer scheduled ;) |
| 15:05.45 | PBeck | without a puffer is a date nearly delayed ^^ |
| 15:06.00 | SpeedEvil | I simply don't believe october. |
| 15:06.14 | SpeedEvil | Unless some actual funding is poured in. |
| 15:06.25 | SpeedEvil | I'd love to be wrong |
| 15:06.46 | PBeck | mjr: i think october is only the start of the release from GTA_02, right? |
| 15:06.51 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 15:06.58 | SpeedEvil | It's advertised as mass-market ready |
| 15:07.02 | SpeedEvil | I can believe the hardware. |
| 15:07.15 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: ok ... all what i say ... lol ;) |
| 15:07.16 | Stephmw | The software... needs usability work. |
| 15:07.54 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: i believe in the hardware too |
| 15:07.57 | SpeedEvil | All we need is a browser to open with the appropriate page on the wiki, when someone clicks a missing app :) |
| 15:08.05 | Stephmw | hahaha |
| 15:08.15 | Stephmw | assuming the gprs is up... |
| 15:08.24 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 15:08.24 | Stephmw | so what we really need is apache+php+wiki on the device |
| 15:09.14 | Basheri | I hope that it'll be released soon, but at the same time i hope that they wont rush the release.. |
| 15:09.23 | PBeck | SpeedEvil: i hope the termin in october is good determinded ... not how the others ... |
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| 15:10.32 | PBeck | Basheri: yes i think so too. we need a complete and usable os |
| 15:10.43 | PBeck | the hardware is the same |
| 15:12.00 | ScaredyCat | openmoko-tasks.c: In function ‘main’: |
| 15:12.00 | ScaredyCat | | openmoko-tasks.c:385: error: ‘KOTO_GROUP_STORE_TYPE_FILTER’ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 15:12.00 | ScaredyCat | | openmoko-tasks.c:385: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once |
| 15:12.00 | ScaredyCat | | openmoko-tasks.c:385: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 15:12.00 | ScaredyCat | | openmoko-tasks.c:385: error: too many arguments to function ‘koto_group_store_new’ |
| 15:12.01 | ScaredyCat | | openmoko-tasks.c:386: error: ‘KOTO_GROUP_STORE_TYPE_SELECTOR’ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 15:12.04 | ScaredyCat | | openmoko-tasks.c:386: error: too many arguments to function ‘koto_group_store_new’ |
| 15:12.06 | ScaredyCat | | make[3]: *** [tasks-openmoko-tasks.o] Error 1 |
| 15:12.07 | hrw | ScaredyCat: known bug already |
| 15:12.20 | ScaredyCat | gaah |
| 15:12.26 | ScaredyCat | killed my build |
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| 15:25.10 | hrw | ScaredyCat: fix is on a way |
| 15:27.43 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 15:29.19 | pjz | is anyone doing CI on the openmoko tree? |
| 15:29.39 | hrw | ScaredyCat: start build |
| 15:30.12 | Stephmw | pjz: CI? |
| 15:30.25 | pjz | Continuous Integration aka continuous builds |
| 15:30.43 | ewon | I've used cruisecontrol for such things |
| 15:30.44 | Stephmw | ahh, I'd not come across the acronym used |
| 15:30.44 | zecke | http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=OpenMoko |
| 15:30.50 | hrw | pjz: there is autobuilder which reports failures to bugtracker |
| 15:30.55 | pjz | ah, good |
| 15:31.02 | pjz | that's what I was looking for :) |
| 15:31.27 | zecke | pjz: the next step would be to actually boot the image |
| 15:31.27 | hrw | my own first I mean ofcourse |
| 15:31.30 | ScaredyCat | thanks hrw |
| 15:31.37 | zecke | pjz: then use dogtail to do app testing |
| 15:31.45 | zecke | that was my other gsoc proposal |
| 15:32.08 | pjz | zecke: yeah |
| 15:32.45 | hrw | zecke: those autobuilds starts by cron (from time to time), on request or on commit hook? |
| 15:33.02 | zecke | hrw: nightly on cron |
| 15:33.21 | hrw | zecke: let me guess - after GMT 00:00? |
| 15:33.32 | zecke | hrw: the incremental is polling o-hand and openmoko svn |
| 15:34.22 | hrw | so it will start soon due to tasks fix? |
| 15:34.43 | ScaredyCat | it's only 16:34 atm |
| 15:36.37 | hrw | right.. I am too used to o-hand autobuilder |
| 15:39.13 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: build 200707031627: completed |
| 15:39.13 | ScaredyCat | Build statistics: |
| 15:39.13 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.13 | ScaredyCat | [ -d stamps ] || mkdir stamps |
| 15:39.13 | ScaredyCat | touch stamps/openmoko-devel-image |
| 15:39.35 | zecke | hrw: good question, let me check the config |
| 15:40.33 | zecke | hrw: oh I stopped polling o-hand |
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| 15:46.07 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:48.33 | hrw | and build started |
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| 15:51.34 | Quarker | hi all, i want to see the list of supported phones, it's possible ? please |
| 15:51.35 | aloril | Quarker: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 15:51.57 | SpeedEvil | Neo1973 |
| 15:52.00 | SpeedEvil | is the list |
| 15:52.13 | SpeedEvil | At some point in the future, there may be more. |
| 15:52.20 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 15:52.21 | SpeedEvil | Which is the goal, but... |
| 15:52.26 | koen | it already runs on htcmagician and htcuniversal |
| 15:52.35 | koen | so the list is a bit bigger |
| 15:52.42 | ScaredyCat | wasn't there a treo version ? |
| 15:52.42 | SpeedEvil | Supported on those? |
| 15:52.46 | galexande | htc...htc...why does that sound familiar? |
| 15:52.49 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - well. |
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| 15:53.12 | SpeedEvil | The software is so prototypical that it could be argued that no phone is supported :) |
| 15:53.18 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[IPhone]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 15:53.28 | Quarker | SpeedEvil ok, tnx a lot, sorry for the disturbance |
| 15:53.33 | SpeedEvil | No problem. |
| 15:53.40 | SpeedEvil | It'll happen eventually. |
| 15:53.43 | SpeedEvil | With luck. |
| 15:53.54 | Quarker | i hope =) |
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| 16:03.12 | ScaredyCat | 9.0g |
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| 16:07.18 | paulproteus | koen, URL for htc info? |
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| 16:09.24 | koen | paulproteus: http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages/gsm/files |
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| 16:13.32 | hrw | can someone with neo run dates^Wcalendar on it? |
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| 16:14.52 | thomasg_gpm | hm, does somebody know where I can get the gdklauncher sources? |
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| 17:07.11 | xkr47 | www.trackthisout.com/tm.html |
| 17:08.37 | andrerav | whoa cool |
| 17:08.48 | nnpiggy | That's slick. |
| 17:09.43 | andrerav | 19:07 < andrerav> it used to generate errors like that at random |
| 17:09.49 | andrerav | argh |
| 17:09.54 | andrerav | wrong mouse button |
| 17:10.22 | nnpiggy | We seem to have lost them... |
| 17:10.42 | andrerav | it's a demo |
| 17:11.13 | SpeedEvil | Hnn, |
| 17:11.15 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 17:11.17 | nnpiggy | Got it. |
| 17:11.29 | nnpiggy | I found the Demo button to see the repeat. |
| 17:12.44 | ScaredyCat | that's sweet |
| 17:14.08 | ScaredyCat | I did this one for the TomTom Go ... |
| 17:14.10 | ScaredyCat | http://www.automated.it/gm/wot.php |
| 17:16.43 | ScaredyCat | http://www.automated.it/gm/wot2.php is a longer one.. gets a bit stodgy |
| 17:17.23 | ScaredyCat | the first one was live data, 2nd one is recorded data |
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| 17:36.18 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Come see OpenMoko at Ubuntu Live |
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| 17:38.48 | keesj | ScaredyCat I think the satelite maps look beter but your interface feels faster |
| 17:41.43 | Basheri | hybrid ftw |
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| 17:52.59 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Advanced_End-user/es]] [[Wish_List]] [[Press_Coverage/es]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Basic_End-user/es]] [[Category:Neo1973_Hardware/es]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Wishlist:Mesh_Networking]] [[Manually_using_GSM]] |
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| 19:26.48 | SbcSrv | Hi all |
| 19:28.14 | keesj | Hi |
| 19:29.58 | SbcSrv | I'm trying openmoko with Xoo, I'm asking me (It's english that ?) how can I kill it properly ? |
| 19:29.59 | aloril | SbcSrv: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 19:53.19 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] [[Category:Neo1973_Hardware/ru]] |
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| 20:27.19 | SbcSrv | I'm trying openmoko with Xephyr, I'm asking me (It's english that ?) how can I kill it properly ? |
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| 20:29.02 | edistar | SbcSrv: I'm asking myself... |
| 20:29.05 | edistar | :P |
| 20:29.18 | SbcSrv | thanks edistar ;-) |
| 20:29.54 | summatusmentis | SbcSrv: what're you trying to kill? |
| 20:30.02 | thomasg_gpm | SbcSrv, german? :) |
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| 20:30.38 | SbcSrv | I want exit OpenMoko "properly" (like turn off the phone) |
| 20:31.05 | SbcSrv | thomasg_gpm : french (don't splaps me ;-) |
| 20:31.13 | SbcSrv | slap |
| 20:31.57 | thomasg_gpm | ah, k. just looked like a typical german mistake :) |
| 20:32.34 | alphaone | I become a printer tomorrow :-) |
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| 20:33.19 | summatusmentis | alphaone: are you gonna have a parallel or usb cord? |
| 20:33.55 | stefan_schmidt | summatusmentis: network of course |
| 20:34.07 | summatusmentis | oh, of course |
| 20:35.07 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: But where does the brain loads the paper from? |
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| 20:36.07 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: That's what will be installed tomorrow :-) |
| 20:36.44 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: outch |
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| 20:38.55 | CoreDump|home | now what was the trick agai to enter my SIMs PIN? |
| 20:39.50 | stefan_schmidt | CoreDump|home: With a recent image the dialer should ask you about it. |
| 20:40.13 | CoreDump|home | it doesn't :\ Image is from buildhost from june, 1st |
| 20:40.48 | stefan_schmidt | CoreDump|home: June or July? |
| 20:41.18 | CoreDump|home | july ;) |
| 20:42.41 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: Yeah, but if that works is another question |
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| 20:43.38 | ScaredyCat | why not disable it in your normal mobile :) |
| 20:43.49 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Why? It worked once. Who have broken it? |
| 20:44.43 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: It worked once, yeah. But it never worked all the time AFAICT. |
| 20:44.58 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: *sigh* |
| 20:45.15 | stefan_schmidt | CoreDump|home: So disable it or use libgsmd-tool |
| 20:45.16 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: The problem is (afaik) gsmd sometimes loosing the connection. |
| 20:45.36 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: Method of last resort: |
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| 20:45.52 | alphaone | /etc/init.d/gsmd stop |
| 20:46.03 | alphaone | /etc/init.d/gsmd start |
| 20:46.19 | alphaone | libgsmd-tool -m shell |
| 20:46.43 | alphaone | O (power on) |
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| 20:46.48 | alphaone | R (register) |
| 20:46.51 | alphaone | enter pin |
| 20:46.54 | alphaone | quit |
| 20:47.30 | alphaone | then you need to restart openmoko-dialer otherwise it wont talk to the new gsmd |
| 20:48.29 | alphaone | that worked for me the last times |
| 20:49.48 | CoreDump|home | hrmmmm |
| 20:49.52 | CoreDump|home | "** (openmoko-dialer:1342): DEBUG: PIN window not visible, calling registe" |
| 20:50.16 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: Seems you have an old versionß |
| 20:50.39 | Elrond | openmoko-dialer is on my next "review/kick strange bugs" list. ;o) |
| 20:50.56 | alphaone | Elrond: Great :-) |
| 20:51.06 | CoreDump|home | root@fic-gta01:~$ cat /etc/version |
| 20:51.06 | CoreDump|home | 200707011200 |
| 20:51.20 | CoreDump|home | my dialer can't talk to gsmd |
| 20:51.23 | alphaone | Elrond: Make that review/kick/fix, though |
| 20:51.31 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: That's bad.. |
| 20:51.50 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: What does /tmp/gsmd.log say? |
| 20:52.29 | alphaone | Is gsmd still running? |
| 20:53.32 | Elrond | alphaone - I'll see. |
| 20:53.52 | Elrond | BTW: How bad is the sidetone issue on the Bv03? (yes, I still haven't tried a SIM in "my" neo) |
| 20:54.07 | CoreDump|home | alphaone: http://rafb.net/p/thwvOU67.html |
| 20:54.33 | koen | Elrond: not as bad as they say |
| 20:54.42 | CoreDump|home | alphaone: oops, it terminated for some readon |
| 20:55.17 | Elrond | koen - Ahh. |
| 20:55.23 | alphaone | Elrond: Iirc you can turn off the sidetone with some obscure control in alsamixer |
| 20:55.37 | alphaone | And then it's quite good |
| 20:55.38 | koen | wasn't it a gsm firmware misfeature? |
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| 20:56.10 | alphaone | Elrond: Yeah, when there is no response from the modem it terminates. |
| 20:56.38 | Elrond | alphaone - (see koen) I thought, it was some gsm firmware issue? |
| 20:56.49 | alphaone | We still have to figure out why it stops communicating with the modem after a while, though... |
| 20:57.06 | Elrond | (I already asked, if I could get a gsm firmware update for the Bv03, but doesn't look like it.) |
| 20:57.14 | alphaone | That was the sidetone (fw misfeature) |
| 20:57.17 | koen | in the "OMG DISASTER!!!" posts from harald and sean they said it was unfixable without a firmware upgrade |
| 20:57.51 | alphaone | AFAIK you can either turn the sidetone off completely or not, yeah. |
| 20:58.07 | alphaone | But I'm reasonably sure I turned it off at some point |
| 20:58.21 | koen | that is pretty good news |
| 20:58.25 | Elrond | I saw some sidetone controls in the mixer. But that confuses me. |
| 20:58.44 | alphaone | Elrond: I think that's what I played with. |
| 20:59.01 | Elrond | But how can that "fix" a gsm firmware issue?! |
| 20:59.07 | alphaone | The thing is that we do want to have a sidetone - but not this loud |
| 20:59.25 | koen | I hate sidetone |
| 20:59.30 | Elrond | What is the sidetone good for anyway? |
| 20:59.31 | alphaone | And that is not fixable without the new firmware |
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| 20:59.36 | koen | but I'm in the 0.0001% group :) |
| 20:59.49 | alphaone | Elrond: It's if you like to listen to yourself talk :-) |
| 21:00.05 | Elrond | Huh? |
| 21:00.10 | SpeedEvil | Sidetone means that you have some feedback as to how loud you are compared to the other person |
| 21:00.26 | alphaone | Elrond: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidetone |
| 21:02.12 | Elrond | Ahhh. |
| 21:02.26 | Elrond | If I can disable it, that's fine with me. :-) |
| 21:02.28 | CoreDump|home | ok, my gsmd keeps dying after a few seconds |
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| 21:04.00 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: Hmm, does the log always look like the one you posted? |
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| 21:05.04 | CoreDump|home | this is after a reboot http://rafb.net/p/4caSCE39.html |
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| 21:06.18 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: can you try stopping/starting gsmd once? |
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| 21:06.27 | Elrond | (assuming, I can disable the sidetone via the mixer... which still confuses me) Was there anything else in the firmware? |
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| 21:06.50 | alphaone | Also does starting go fast or does it take a couple of seconds? |
| 21:07.10 | alphaone | Elrond: What do you mean |
| 21:07.56 | CoreDump|home | alphaone: starting is fast |
| 21:07.59 | CoreDump|home | http://rafb.net/p/ZPvlkT89.html |
| 21:09.23 | Elrond | alphaone - What else was wrong in the gsm firmware? Only the strings? |
| 21:09.32 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: Let me see how my bv4 does |
| 21:09.48 | CoreDump|home | alphaone: thanks =) |
| 21:10.17 | CoreDump|home | well, I guess I could try the bv3 if that matters |
| 21:10.49 | Stephmw | anyone familiar with CISSP and whether it's worth getting the training? |
| 21:11.14 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: shouldn't matter |
| 21:11.40 | alphaone | Elrond: I think there was also something power related |
| 21:11.48 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 21:12.05 | CoreDump|home | bv3 sucks any battery dry in a very short time |
| 21:14.11 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: you have http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/uImage-2.6.21.5-moko10-r1_0_0_2350_0-fic-gta01.bin and http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/openmoko-devel-image-fic-gta01-20070701120015.rootfs.jffs2 ? |
| 21:14.51 | CoreDump|home | alphaone: oops, I believe I forgot to upgrade the kernel |
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| 21:15.22 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: Well, it shouldn't really matter too much |
| 21:15.26 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - My bv03 is quite okay, after I always shutdown using "halt" :-) (I even added a "Halt System properly" menu entry, so I can shut it down using the gui. ;-) |
| 21:16.04 | guaqua | hardware problems with the new phones? |
| 21:16.17 | Elrond | alphaone - Yep, the modem couldn't wake the CPU or so. But as sleeping isn't any good on the bv03 anyway, that one isn't too important. |
| 21:16.31 | Elrond | guaqua - Don't spread rumours. |
| 21:16.48 | CoreDump|home | ok, I -did- upgrade the kernel |
| 21:17.12 | guaqua | Elrond: err? |
| 21:17.54 | CoreDump|home | <guaqua> hardware problems with the new phones? |
| 21:17.57 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: I'm flashing both onto my bv4 now |
| 21:18.28 | alphaone | Well, there was a questionmark indicating a question... |
| 21:19.29 | Elrond | guaqua - Probably only software problems. |
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| 21:21.33 | Elrond | guaqua - I meant: Please don't start a rumour by asking this question. This makes other people ask the same question until finally we have a rumour. |
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| 21:21.37 | guaqua | okay |
| 21:21.39 | CoreDump|home | " No response from GSM Modem" =( |
| 21:22.27 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - Does it work "by hand"? pavel had some docs on the wiki / blog on that. Using "cu". |
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| 21:33.40 | CoreDump|home | connectiong to ttySAC0 freezes usb networkig |
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| 21:37.59 | alphaone | whoops |
| 21:38.49 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - Can you retry on bv03 with the exact same kernel/rootfs? |
| 21:39.07 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
| 21:39.11 | galexande | oh my god, are there hardware problems with the gta01? |
| 21:39.20 | galexande | :-P |
| 21:39.43 | galexande | er .com |
| 21:41.18 | SpeedEvil | galexande: It has no pony. |
| 21:42.28 | alphaone | What, openmoko.com gives away phones for free now? :-) |
| 21:42.42 | alphaone | Okay, let's stop that :-) |
| 21:42.48 | Elrond | alphaone - No, the anti-rumour-spray ;-) |
| 21:43.09 | alphaone | :-) |
| 21:44.27 | Kero | what do I hear? rumours? |
| 21:44.48 | Elrond | *lol* |
| 21:44.57 | CoreDump|home | !slap keesj |
| 21:44.59 | Kero | rumours - pray! |
| 21:45.06 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: I can confirm that behavior on my bv4 |
| 21:45.11 | galexande | oh my god! openmoko.com has an order form now! |
| 21:45.14 | CoreDump|home | alphaone: wooot |
| 21:45.25 | cjb | oooh |
| 21:45.33 | galexande | (hah hah, made you look) |
| 21:45.34 | Elrond | alphaone - So it's software? |
| 21:45.35 | CoreDump|home | that is goog new for me =) |
| 21:45.39 | cjb | bah, you suck |
| 21:45.43 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: Pretty sure |
| 21:45.59 | Kero | galexande: I was about to look when I realized who said it :) |
| 21:46.04 | alphaone | er, elrond: Pretty sure |
| 21:46.11 | galexande | *sigh* my credibility sure didn't last long |
| 21:46.13 | alphaone | At least software triggered |
| 21:46.31 | Kero | galexande: less than ten minutes :) |
| 21:46.36 | Kero | (of history) |
| 21:46.42 | Elrond | So debug board and get the debugger out. ;o) |
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| 21:47.08 | Elrond | ... and I'll keep my old kernel. ;-) |
| 21:47.16 | galexande | so, i'm curious, does anyone use any of the various pre-release phones as their regular day-to-day phone yet? |
| 21:47.43 | Elrond | galexande - I wasn't even brave enough to put my sim in there. ;-) |
| 21:47.45 | CoreDump|home | I wish |
| 21:47.47 | alphaone | galexande: I don't think anyone is brave enough yet :-) |
| 21:48.19 | Elrond | If the rtc would work, I could imagine using it as a clock replacement. ;o) |
| 21:48.39 | galexande | heh i guess when i port my number to a gsm provider, i'll sign a contract and get the free phone from at&t for when my neo is, uh, in the shop |
| 21:48.45 | alphaone | Elrond: ;-) |
| 21:49.20 | FuzzyCat | :o ... what did I do wrong now... :/ |
| 21:49.22 | FuzzyCat | NOTE: <type 'exceptions.Exception'>:variable TARGET_FPU references itself! while evaluating: |
| 21:49.22 | FuzzyCat | ${TARGET_FPU} |
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| 21:51.27 | CoreDump|home | same behaviour w/ bv3 |
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| 21:53.43 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - Try downgrading the kernel... (having the wrong rootfs means wrong modules, but that hopefully only means "no sound" ;-) ) |
| 21:53.58 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ]] [[Alternate_Neo1973_case_designs]] [[Wish_List]] |
| 21:54.59 | alphaone | Elrond: I have the right kernel for the rootfs |
| 21:55.11 | alphaone | at least the modules are loaded |
| 21:55.30 | CoreDump|home | actually I need to restore bv4 to a state in which I can use it for ebook reading |
| 21:55.41 | CoreDump|home | that means installing a bloody desktop |
| 22:00.05 | ScaredyCat | nm found it |
| 22:00.18 | CoreDump|home | oh well, no fbreader in the OM feeds *sigh* |
| 22:01.00 | Elrond | fbi also would be nice. ;o) |
| 22:01.14 | Elrond | Or something else to put a PNG on the fb. |
| 22:01.26 | Elrond | (the inverse of fbgrab) |
| 22:02.16 | ScaredyCat | cat |
| 22:02.45 | Kero | nah, only works when width matches |
| 22:03.09 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: connecting to serial does not lock up my networking. |
| 22:03.21 | alphaone | But it doesn't seem to respond eithere |
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| 22:05.03 | Elrond | Kero - One can straight cat into /dev/fb0, or what? |
| 22:05.12 | Elrond | <-- isn't used to framebuffer at all. |
| 22:05.12 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 22:05.23 | ScaredyCat | you can cat to/from it |
| 22:05.29 | Elrond | What format / how do I convert my png to the proper format? |
| 22:05.34 | ScaredyCat | raw |
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| 22:08.30 | Kero | yeah, but e.g. 256x256 image is not gonna fit nicely on a 640x480 screen like that. cat is too primitive for that. |
| 22:09.17 | galexande | this place is gonna be chaos once it starts shipping :) |
| 22:10.45 | ScaredyCat | yes, Kero ... it'll need to at least be the right size.... |
| 22:10.59 | Elrond | Kero - Yes. And the right depth. |
| 22:11.06 | SpeedEvil | We need to create #openmoko-illiuminati. |
| 22:11.38 | SpeedEvil | #openmoko-dev may actually make sense though |
| 22:11.45 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - *giggle* You mean #openmoko-dev(ev)... oh wait... that already exists and is closed. ;o) |
| 22:11.58 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 22:12.48 | SpeedEvil | It's not on here anyway |
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| 22:13.45 | Elrond | Ahh, -dev does not exist, but: *** Cannot join to channel #openmoko-devel (Bad channel key) |
| 22:13.51 | ScaredyCat | Elrond, I just need to find my ttgo dev stuff, had to move things about to compile this stuff... |
| 22:14.18 | ScaredyCat | .. I did a lot of fb conversions... |
| 22:14.21 | ScaredyCat | for the go |
| 22:14.49 | Elrond | ScaredyCat - ;-) |
| 22:14.58 | Elrond | Well, I think, fbi would do the trick anyway? |
| 22:15.23 | galexande | if i get the neo basic, will i still be able to access the uboot console? |
| 22:15.46 | Elrond | galexande - Yes, via usb-serial. |
| 22:16.02 | Elrond | galexande - I use that a lot, if I have to do something with u-boot. |
| 22:16.11 | ScaredyCat | get fb2png to start with ;) |
| 22:16.12 | Elrond | (which was often, until the kernel was fixed) |
| 22:16.44 | Elrond | ScaredyCat - Sounds much like fbgrab? |
| 22:17.06 | Elrond | galexande - Just be careful. If you break u-boot, you're screwed. |
| 22:17.16 | ScaredyCat | dunno.. cat the fb to a file... fb2png the file to png |
| 22:17.21 | galexande | ok, i must have misread the u-boot wiki. u-boot is excitingly powerful, i can't believe it reads ext2 :) |
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| 22:17.39 | ScaredyCat | iirc I could never locate the src for fbgrab |
| 22:17.41 | Elrond | ScaredyCat - Ahh. :) |
| 22:17.58 | galexande | i hope to not have to touch uboot, but it is good to know i can boot a kernel off of damn near anything. |
| 22:18.28 | galexande | (like sd) |
| 22:19.25 | Elrond | Right. |
| 22:19.32 | ScaredyCat | the go sdk is designed to send you screaming into the night, I had to resort to fb buggery to get some things to work |
| 22:19.33 | Elrond | I used it a lot to boot kernel from ram. |
| 22:19.53 | Elrond | "go sdk"? |
| 22:20.21 | ScaredyCat | tomtom go |
| 22:20.40 | Elrond | Ahh. |
| 22:20.42 | ScaredyCat | that's were I was faffing about with the fb ... |
| 22:21.03 | ScaredyCat | making animated journey captures, because my life has no meaning ;) |
| 22:22.06 | ScaredyCat | .. is sqlite on the devicde yet? |
| 22:22.54 | galexande | it wouldn't be hard to install, sqlite has almost no dependencies |
| 22:23.10 | woglinde | sqlite is in oe |
| 22:23.15 | ScaredyCat | would be good for address book etc... |
| 22:24.04 | ScaredyCat | I moved all my poi on the go to sqlite.. |
| 22:24.11 | Elrond | ScaredyCat - adress book uses evolution thingies, I think. |
| 22:24.19 | galexande | if it isn't, you could compile it -static :) |
| 22:24.41 | ScaredyCat | Elrond, :O |
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| 22:40.04 | fourstarfish | you know sometimes I get kinda scared when i'm surfing reddit and I unknowningly click an onion link |
| 22:41.48 | fourstarfish | this is the wrong window too =[ |
| 22:44.35 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 22:46.14 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if they take user submissions. |
| 22:47.03 | AntonTakk | that seems like an idea on par with submitting family pictures to rotten |
| 22:47.51 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 22:48.00 | SpeedEvil | Well - yes. |
| 22:48.09 | SpeedEvil | Any publicity is good publicity you know :) |
| 22:50.06 | AntonTakk | not really |
| 22:52.09 | AntonTakk | i wasn't aware that there was that much demand for $600 suppositories |
| 22:52.19 | AntonTakk | er, phones |
| 22:52.42 | SpeedEvil | The Neo would make a better one. |
| 22:52.46 | SpeedEvil | Smoother corners. |
| 22:53.01 | SpeedEvil | And the lanyard. |
| 22:53.07 | AntonTakk | o.O |
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| 22:53.51 | AntonTakk | heh |
| 22:54.56 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - *g* |
| 22:55.10 | ScaredyCat | well, I think that the neo could do with a little more design work ... |
| 22:55.33 | Elrond | Well, the iphone has more hype on it... my dad already asked me about it... until I explained him, that it is simlocked, so worthless. |
| 22:56.16 | ScaredyCat | yeah, bt when it gets to europe they wont be able to use the same strategy |
| 22:56.29 | ScaredyCat | the market is just different... |
| 22:56.47 | ScaredyCat | europeans wont switch provider for the iphone... |
| 22:57.05 | ScaredyCat | so they'll have to unlock it... |
| 22:57.15 | Elrond | According to my dad, apple was looking for a provider in .de... and the normal dealers were pissed, because they couldn't sell it with "their" provider contracts. |
| 22:57.22 | ScaredyCat | which means US folks can just buy them |
| 22:57.58 | Elrond | But well, I don't know anything. I don't care for the iphone. |
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| 22:58.43 | ScaredyCat | Elrond, that's the problem... it wont work... they'll probably go to vodafone or tmobile...but they just wont sell, and neos will :) |
| 22:59.30 | miip | Elrond: t-mobile will announce the iphone deal in a few hours (in germany) |
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| 23:00.05 | Elrond | miip - Ahh. I expected t-mobile. |
| 23:00.10 | ScaredyCat | miip ... I hope that's about 6-7 hours.... |
| 23:00.11 | SpeedEvil | Apple have a long time to sort out marketing |
| 23:00.16 | SpeedEvil | before Oct. |
| 23:00.22 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 23:00.26 | SpeedEvil | Is the Iphone GSM then? |
| 23:00.44 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - germany has only gsm, nothing else. |
| 23:00.55 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
| 23:01.03 | SpeedEvil | Actually - is that true? |
| 23:01.07 | SpeedEvil | No 3G/... |
| 23:01.12 | mjr | yes, it is gsm |
| 23:01.15 | Elrond | Oh, 3G, of course. |
| 23:01.16 | mjr | it does have edge though |
| 23:01.26 | ScaredyCat | slooooow |
| 23:01.27 | mjr | which is borderline 3g depending on details |
| 23:03.22 | Elrond | Hmmm, will there be referer-stuff for the Neo? ;o) |
| 23:03.39 | Elrond | So that I'll get a few bugs for getting my friends to buy a neo? ;o) |
| 23:03.53 | ScaredyCat | bugs? |
| 23:04.01 | ScaredyCat | you *want* bugs? |
| 23:04.23 | Elrond | hehe. ;-) |
| 23:04.34 | Elrond | Some people say bugs for "money" ;o) |
| 23:04.43 | ScaredyCat | bucks ? |
| 23:05.11 | Elrond | Hmm, yeah. |
| 23:05.14 | ScaredyCat | bugs money... is that bugs bunny's brother? |
| 23:05.36 | Elrond | My typing goes mostly after the pronouncing. ;-) |
| 23:09.02 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: Okay, I just confirmed that it works with uImage-2.6-moko10-r0_0_2072_0-fic-gta01.bin |
| 23:09.28 | CoreDump|home | alphaone: excellent, thank you! |
| 23:09.35 | alphaone | Meaning gsmd gets at least some response back |
| 23:09.46 | CoreDump|home | however, I managed to enter a wrong PIN on my other mobile 3 times |
| 23:09.53 | CoreDump|home | == PIN is locked |
| 23:10.02 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: I'll try to figure out the differences between the two |
| 23:10.10 | alphaone | :-/ |
| 23:10.25 | alphaone | CoreDump|home: Do you have your PUK handy? |
| 23:10.38 | CoreDump|home | of course not, can't find the bloody letter =) |
| 23:11.07 | CoreDump|home | I'll go to the vodafone shop tomorrow. I'm due for another "free" phone anyway heh |
| 23:16.41 | CoreDump|home | anyone got one and knows if it has the BlueTooth remote control function ? |
| 23:22.22 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - Show them the neo "I have lended that from a friend. Will I get that?" ;o) |
| 23:22.28 | CoreDump|home | =D |
| 23:22.53 | alphaone | q |
| 23:23.28 | Elrond | I was planning to do that for weeks now. Still didn't get to do it. |
| 23:23.46 | Elrond | Hmm, I'll do it in another city, so those people wont recognize me. ;o) |
| 23:35.12 | CoreDump|home | n8 |
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| 23:49.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 627 has been created by alphaone(AT)openmoko.org |
| 23:49.02 | cdbot2 | * * gsmd is not able to communicate with the gsm modem |
| 23:49.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=627 |
| 23:49.33 | alphaone | uImage-2.6.21.3-moko10-r3_0_0_2288_0-fic-gta01.bin is last known working version |
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| 23:54.58 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Alternate_Neo1973_case_designs]] |
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