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| 00:51.07 | rwhitby | it's a popular place to wait ... |
| 00:51.58 | summatusmentis | rwhitby: that it is... I'm not really even sure why I'm waiting, it's not like I'm on a pre-order list or anything |
| 00:53.25 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|afk: why do you get two? |
| 00:53.53 | CoreDump|afk | well, one is suffering nasty hardware defects |
| 00:54.00 | rwhitby | P0 and P1 dev models |
| 00:54.04 | summatusmentis | I see |
| 00:54.12 | summatusmentis | will you get a P2 dev model also? |
| 00:54.20 | CoreDump|afk | heh |
| 00:54.22 | summatusmentis | and P1+? |
| 00:54.28 | CoreDump|afk | we wish. But no |
| 00:54.33 | rwhitby | one hopes so ;-) |
| 00:54.35 | summatusmentis | that's a shame |
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| 00:55.54 | mjr | wifi schmifi |
| 00:56.08 | summatusmentis | wifi ftw! Particularly since no 3G |
| 00:56.43 | linux_galore | I use mainly wifi with my Nokia phone, 3G costs a fortune but were I work and at home has wifi |
| 00:57.23 | summatusmentis | I use CMDA 1x speeds on my phone :-) |
| 00:57.48 | Q_Continuum | <- Cingular, no data package on his treo - can't wait for his to show up |
| 00:58.09 | summatusmentis | Q_Continuum: gonna get data when neo shows up? |
| 00:58.15 | Q_Continuum | Probably. |
| 00:58.25 | CoreDump|afk | n8 all |
| 00:58.30 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|afk: yeah yeah, rub it in |
| 00:58.33 | summatusmentis | goodnight |
| 00:58.51 | Q_Continuum | I went Ubuntu full-time here a few months ago, and am in the process of getting that fully working - can't wait to have a phone running same. |
| 00:59.15 | linux_galore | I stopped uing windows at work and home about 7 years ago now |
| 00:59.21 | linux_galore | using* |
| 00:59.35 | linux_galore | I havent missed it to be honest |
| 00:59.50 | Q_Continuum | I've played with Linux for about that long |
| 01:00.03 | Q_Continuum | but was on dialup, college demanded XP, etc... |
| 01:00.11 | Q_Continuum | saw Vista and didn't look back |
| 01:00.13 | summatusmentis | wow... I feel young comparitively |
| 01:00.35 | summatusmentis | only been using linux for like 4 years, and exclusively? erm... 1.5 years |
| 01:00.46 | Q_Continuum | exclusively for about 3 months lol |
| 01:01.05 | Q_Continuum | I've got a Windows box for gaming, and a VM for anything I need for testing/support *shrugs* |
| 01:01.27 | Q_Continuum | But my Treo doesn't sync with Thunderbird, so I'm looking forward to the Neo |
| 01:01.35 | linux_galore | well thanks to Microsoft releasing the XBOX360 with network support the whole "I need windows for games" arguement went out the door, especially considering consoles get games months before the PC platform now |
| 01:01.58 | rwhitby | Q_Continuum: I just have the Treo650 access the IMAP server same as Thunderbird. |
| 01:02.02 | summatusmentis | Q_Continuum: treo doesn't sync w/ thunderbird? I found a plugin a while back to get thunderbird to sync with a Zire |
| 01:02.02 | linux_galore | and some games are now "console only" |
| 01:02.17 | Q_Continuum | for me the windows box is to maintain the 300+ games on my shelf... |
| 01:02.30 | summatusmentis | that was contacts only though |
| 01:02.49 | Q_Continuum | what I'd prefer is 'net access on my laptop wherever I go |
| 01:02.57 | Q_Continuum | but data rates are too spendy, and I don't need it quite yet |
| 01:03.14 | linux_galore | rwhitby if you use thunderbird there is a plugin that creates a contacts/imap like enviroment for gmail accounts |
| 01:03.42 | rwhitby | linux_galore: that doesn't help for multiple clients accessing gmail via imap |
| 01:03.47 | rwhitby | (which is what imap is all about) |
| 01:04.04 | Q_Continuum | my laptop has all my email, I just need 'net access where I go |
| 01:04.20 | summatusmentis | imap stores on the server? and then pushes a copy to the clients? |
| 01:04.46 | Q_Continuum | pop3 downloads, imap works off the server, IIRC |
| 01:05.55 | linux_galore | yeah, with this thunderbird plugin (im looking for the link) you can turn your gmail account into something very similar to exchange |
| 01:06.20 | Q_Continuum | heh |
| 01:06.28 | Q_Continuum | I run gmail + 2 domains worth of email to manage |
| 01:06.45 | Q_Continuum | so laptop > PDA |
| 01:07.05 | Q_Continuum | I bought one of the Ubuntu-preloaded Dells, it rocks. |
| 01:07.08 | linux_galore | I love gmail, very simple hardly any spam |
| 01:07.26 | linux_galore | Q_Continuum: yeah, we dont have them yet here in AU |
| 01:07.54 | linux_galore | will the NEO support gmail I wonder |
| 01:08.03 | Q_Continuum | of course it will. |
| 01:08.05 | Q_Continuum | its Linux |
| 01:08.09 | Q_Continuum | just compile whatever :D |
| 01:08.13 | rwhitby | imap smart caches on the client, and pushes flag updates back to the server so other clients can see them |
| 01:08.53 | summatusmentis | Q_Continuum: ubuntu dell? working well? |
| 01:08.57 | rwhitby | download on the treo, disconnect, read, delete, respond to email on the bus. reconnect at work. update. done. |
| 01:09.12 | Q_Continuum | summatusmentis, yes |
| 01:09.15 | rwhitby | never see a message you deleted on the bus on your desktop client |
| 01:09.25 | linux_galore | rwhitby: and dont get paid for your time |
| 01:09.34 | Q_Continuum | the only thing they didn't pre-configure on my dell was TTY resolution, everything else works out-of-the-box |
| 01:09.37 | rwhitby | linux_galore: never said it was work email ;-) |
| 01:09.44 | summatusmentis | Q_Continuum: that's cool |
| 01:09.46 | rwhitby | (it's usually openmoko list email) |
| 01:10.05 | summatusmentis | glad a manufacturer is finally stepping up(for desktop linux) |
| 01:10.16 | Q_Continuum | that's why I grabbed it |
| 01:10.24 | Q_Continuum | my old laptop's LCD was going - so it was time for a new one |
| 01:10.39 | summatusmentis | When does the release(open to public, not final) of GTA02 get announced? |
| 01:10.41 | SpeedEvil | Ebay the old one. |
| 01:10.48 | summatusmentis | Q_Continuum: very cool |
| 01:10.56 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: in theory in the next 14 hours or so. |
| 01:11.11 | linux_galore | rwhitby: sad but I see people on the bus/train with treo/blackberry doing work email, its a total con job because they dont get paid for their time, the device is given out for free by the company but is really just an extended chain to their desk |
| 01:11.39 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: so as soon as the "Anyone can buy for $350, starting perhaps any week" happens, GTA02 will be available? |
| 01:11.43 | SpeedEvil | Well - code a timekeeping email client for OM! |
| 01:11.45 | summatusmentis | or sorry, it'll be announced |
| 01:11.54 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: well - ... |
| 01:11.56 | rwhitby | linux_galore: yep, depends on whether you're working for yourself (or have a share in the profits) or are just working for the man |
| 01:11.59 | linux_galore | I might skip the GTA01 because it doesnt have Wifi |
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| 01:12.17 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: "..." ?? |
| 01:12.22 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: the first version to be available - the first prodcuction run - does not have wifi |
| 01:12.37 | SpeedEvil | Unless they decide to dump the 500-1000 already made |
| 01:12.37 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: right, GTA01 |
| 01:13.01 | Q_Continuum | I recall finding a page on the wiki listing all the dev models & v1 and on specs and differences, couldn't find it last time I looked |
| 01:13.09 | summatusmentis | so in theory, as soon as GTA01 is available for sale, they'll have an availability date for GTA02? |
| 01:13.40 | linux_galore | if the GTA02 has wifi i will happily pay double |
| 01:14.05 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: Well - in the very distant past, that has been stated. |
| 01:14.20 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: I would not hold anything said that far back as gospel. |
| 01:14.28 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: alright, so really, noone has any idea anymore when GTA02 will be available? :-) |
| 01:14.55 | linux_galore | I have bluetoth dongles but I have nevr been a big fan of it as a data transfer method |
| 01:15.01 | linux_galore | bluetooth* |
| 01:15.23 | SpeedEvil | I'm planning on trying pulling hte bluetooth dongle, and subbing a wifi one. |
| 01:15.53 | summatusmentis | lol, I forgot you were gonna mod yours |
| 01:16.04 | summatusmentis | I'd prefer GTA02(bt and wifi) |
| 01:16.11 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: 2.6.22 added support for a Linksys wifi USB dongle I noticed |
| 01:16.24 | SpeedEvil | I did? |
| 01:16.28 | summatusmentis | linux_galore: ?? 802.11g? |
| 01:16.44 | SpeedEvil | I'm planning on the zydas one. I've got some. |
| 01:16.45 | linux_galore | summatusmentis: yeah its 802.11g |
| 01:16.58 | Q_Continuum | I want WiMax support in my Neo. lol. |
| 01:17.08 | summatusmentis | linux_galore: do you have a source? you might've just saved the entire Zaurus communities lives :-) |
| 01:17.27 | Q_Continuum | man...I completely forgot I have a Zaurus. |
| 01:17.28 | linux_galore | well here in AU they are rolling out Wimax for rural areas |
| 01:17.36 | Q_Continuum | mjr: Prime Directive? |
| 01:18.02 | summatusmentis | Q_Continuum: it's a trekkie reference, I don't remember what it is |
| 01:18.12 | Q_Continuum | I know the Trekkie reference |
| 01:18.15 | summatusmentis | and that's just blasphemy to forget about the Z |
| 01:18.24 | Q_Continuum | but in this context it seemed like it meant something else |
| 01:18.39 | Q_Continuum | well, my 6000 doesn't have a GSM card - otherwise I never would've gotten a Treo |
| 01:18.40 | summatusmentis | yeah, I don't know about the context |
| 01:18.50 | summatusmentis | ooh, spiffy |
| 01:19.03 | Q_Continuum | battery life left something to be desired, though |
| 01:19.04 | summatusmentis | I've got a 3200, so usb wifi(g speed) is a lifesaver |
| 01:19.24 | Q_Continuum | using the integrated wifi generated a TON of heat |
| 01:19.35 | SpeedEvil | Qimax is overhyped |
| 01:19.38 | SpeedEvil | Wimax |
| 01:20.04 | linux_galore | summatusmentis: it was posted in the comments section on /. discussing the 2.6.22 kernel release |
| 01:20.21 | summatusmentis | linux_galore: I guess I missed that completely |
| 01:20.23 | Q_Continuum | well...pay phone data rates, or use wimax at fixed monthly cost... |
| 01:20.23 | summatusmentis | thanks |
| 01:21.24 | linux_galore | well they used Wimax at the Melbourne grandprix last year, apparently they were really impressed at the transfer speeds |
| 01:21.37 | SpeedEvil | Wimax works well - until everyone starts using it. |
| 01:21.53 | SpeedEvil | When that happens, things really go downhill. |
| 01:22.14 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: they are going to use it on 5.8Ghz, Im not a fan of 5.8Ghz gear |
| 01:22.19 | SpeedEvil | Ranges plummet as interference gets to be a problem, and transmitter rate drops. |
| 01:22.33 | SpeedEvil | If you're talking ISP->user - it can work |
| 01:22.42 | SpeedEvil | peer-peer, and it rapidly breaks down. |
| 01:22.57 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: yeah here wimax is being used isp->user |
| 01:23.24 | SpeedEvil | The interesting - long-term bit may be 60GHz. |
| 01:23.41 | SpeedEvil | As any transmission gets absorbed by the air in 1Km or so. |
| 01:23.41 | linux_galore | have WImax on the GTA02 would blow everything on the market out of the water |
| 01:23.54 | SpeedEvil | No, it wouldn't. |
| 01:24.03 | summatusmentis | good luck finding wimax w/ OSS drivers |
| 01:24.08 | linux_galore | heh |
| 01:24.16 | SpeedEvil | Frequency allocations are even more scattered than GSM |
| 01:24.22 | SpeedEvil | And global coverage sucks. |
| 01:24.51 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: yeah, I agree, be a few years before it becomes stable too |
| 01:24.53 | SpeedEvil | A wideband radio - say 4-20Ghz would be _horrendusly_ expensive and large. |
| 01:25.36 | Q_Continuum | I would love to see the Neo have basically a "docking port" where you can add something to it, to allow for random expansion. Like my Zaurus 6000 - made for enterprises to develop their own stuff, has a port on the bottom. |
| 01:25.37 | linux_galore | 802.11g or even b would keep me happy |
| 01:25.52 | Q_Continuum | say, a wifi module with extra battery |
| 01:25.56 | Q_Continuum | or wimax with extra battery |
| 01:26.05 | Q_Continuum | or a 8GB+ SSD device |
| 01:26.21 | Q_Continuum | or whatever else people come up with |
| 01:26.22 | summatusmentis | Q_Continuum: it's got USB, but afaik it's not host |
| 01:26.25 | linux_galore | yeah, a docking port would make it less future proof and promote add on sales |
| 01:26.32 | SpeedEvil | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Expansion_Back |
| 01:26.50 | SpeedEvil | It's 1.1 host and device |
| 01:26.56 | SpeedEvil | on the neo |
| 01:27.24 | summatusmentis | ah, 1.1, that's a shame |
| 01:27.43 | linux_galore | or even a bluetooth-.wifi/recharge dock |
| 01:27.50 | Q_Continuum | or whatever you wanted to add |
| 01:28.02 | SpeedEvil | 2 is basically unavailable in the chipset format |
| 01:28.18 | mjr | and the internal BT is behind another USB port; hence those replacement talks... |
| 01:29.01 | SpeedEvil | It should 'just work' - albeit using around 0.5W of power for the wifi. |
| 01:29.13 | SpeedEvil | And maybe needing a 3-5V converter chip too. |
| 01:30.12 | linux_galore | the 2.6.22 kernel has support for the Linksys WUSBF54G |
| 01:30.22 | linux_galore | just looked through the kernel notes |
| 01:30.27 | summatusmentis | linux_galore: <3 |
| 01:30.37 | SpeedEvil | Question is - does it work on 1.1 |
| 01:31.26 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: read the specs from linksys |
| 01:31.42 | SpeedEvil | No. Unless you're going to buy me one. |
| 01:31.48 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: cant see why not though |
| 01:31.57 | linux_galore | heh |
| 01:32.12 | SpeedEvil | Many 54.g modules don't. |
| 01:32.35 | mjr | they don't? buggers |
| 01:32.37 | SpeedEvil | At least last time I looked. |
| 01:32.55 | linux_galore | actually the added drivers list for 2.6.22 is huge |
| 01:32.59 | SpeedEvil | Or at least - they don't say they can also be used on 1.1 - the ones that can do |
| 01:33.31 | linux_galore | now I understand why so may people run Gutsy |
| 01:35.29 | linux_galore | isnt the USB on the NEO GTA01 ver 2 |
| 01:36.43 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 01:36.43 | SpeedEvil | It's 1.1 |
| 01:36.55 | SpeedEvil | 2 is unavailable largely in low-power stuff |
| 01:39.00 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: kidding me, my 3 year old digital cam is USB 2.0 |
| 01:39.07 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 01:39.15 | SpeedEvil | The USB2 part is not low power. |
| 01:39.34 | SpeedEvil | It's probably in that case a chip which is only turned on when the cam is plugged in |
| 01:39.48 | Q_Continuum | so give me an add-on larger battery, add 1/4" or whatever *shrugs* |
| 01:40.17 | SpeedEvil | It's not that simple. |
| 01:40.28 | SpeedEvil | It would basically mean switching to a whole new family of CPUs |
| 01:40.35 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: bummer |
| 01:40.51 | SpeedEvil | Also - think on what you need USB2 for. |
| 01:40.54 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: going to be slow as hell to transfer video medi |
| 01:40.55 | linux_galore | a |
| 01:41.10 | SpeedEvil | The largest card you can get at the moment is 2G |
| 01:41.48 | SpeedEvil | And video sized to play on the neo will be some 40K/second |
| 01:41.58 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: MiniSD id 4G now and samsung has a 8GB unit on test |
| 01:42.02 | linux_galore | is* |
| 01:42.17 | SpeedEvil | Probably less than that. |
| 01:42.24 | SpeedEvil | MicroSD!=miniSD |
| 01:42.55 | SpeedEvil | And 2G microSD I haven't seen anywhere with them in stock. |
| 01:43.30 | linux_galore | sandisk are selling 4G microsd |
| 01:43.43 | SpeedEvil | Are they actually in stock anywhere though. |
| 01:44.08 | SpeedEvil | linux_galore: you can upload an hour of video in around 4 mins. |
| 01:44.25 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: when i looked at microsd for my nokia they had a price for one on the website |
| 01:45.12 | SpeedEvil | Having a price doesn't mean they have them in stock. |
| 01:45.18 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: I upload about 20-30Mb of podcasts a day to my iPOD, I did own a a unit that had 1.1 and it was slow as hell |
| 01:45.19 | LoDown | counter |
| 01:45.20 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 70% for *news* in 05:07:20 (0.213±0.2 days) (1601;240) |
| 01:45.46 | daniel_bergamini | hat up? |
| 01:45.47 | SpeedEvil | Well - 1.1 should take under a minute to do 20-30M |
| 01:45.49 | linux_galore | SpeedEvil: I must admit the things were bloody expensive |
| 01:46.02 | SpeedEvil | daniel_bergamini: nothing |
| 01:46.34 | SpeedEvil | http://mediaatlantic.com/product.php?xProd=134469 Hmm |
| 01:46.41 | SpeedEvil | 36 quid - but out of stock |
| 01:47.10 | linux_galore | Im out stuff to do |
| 01:47.20 | SpeedEvil | wav3e |
| 01:49.54 | SpeedEvil | http://www.onlinememory.co.uk/sandisk-4gb-microsd-card-transflash-p-745.html?currency=GBP&language=en - in stock even |
| 01:52.19 | SpeedEvil | 4G almost makes it a reasonable mp3 player size. |
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| 02:11.54 | pjz | aren't nano's 4G? |
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| 02:12.02 | SpeedEvil | Dunno |
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| 02:32.10 | linux_galore | heard Apple signed a huge contract with Samsung for a shit load of 4GB/16GB flash |
| 02:32.25 | linux_galore | sorry 8GB |
| 02:33.04 | linux_galore | I suspect its for the iPhone and next lot of iPODS |
| 02:34.34 | linux_galore | bugger, all the parts have arrived and we dont have enough labour in th factory to finnish the contracts, time for me to turn into a solder monkey |
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| 02:43.41 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (60% for P1<=2007-07-07) 60% for *news* in |
| 02:43.41 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (60% for P1<=2007-07-07) 60% for *news* in |
| 02:43.43 | aloril | counter |
| 02:43.43 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (60% for P1<=2007-07-07) 60% for *news* in 07:08:08 (0.297±0.3 days) (1602;239) |
| 02:43.57 | aloril | added missing 4.5h + 0.5h extra |
| 02:48.51 | pjz | 'missing' ? |
| 02:49.45 | aloril | based on when Sean wrote "In less than a week" |
| 02:49.54 | pjz | ah |
| 02:50.53 | aloril | had made just 2007-06-26 at UCT-12 ;-) (being lazy), anyway now it should cover all of above + 0.5h extra over week |
| 02:51.11 | aloril | s:above:"In less than a week" |
| 02:52.09 | aloril | not going to update news counter beyond this, going to just revert back to P1 counter (unless somebody with info says news are delayed) |
| 02:55.30 | don-o | 227 minutes later, mokomakefile make setup is finished. yea. |
| 02:55.44 | aloril | CoreDump|afk, rwhitby: I assume they will want to test GTA02 before actually selling, so who knows maybe you get one .. |
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| 02:57.48 | rwhitby | aloril: I'm hoping that's the case |
| 02:58.27 | aloril | rwhitby: mainly basing this guess to comment by roh along lines that they will beta test it and not sell until they are sure its OK |
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| 02:59.31 | rwhitby | free testing and publicity is always worth the price of an additional unit of hardware given away |
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| 03:00.13 | don-o | rwhitby: i wish i could convince apple of that :) |
| 03:00.19 | aloril | yes, buggy hardware sold is expensive |
| 03:00.39 | don-o | l |
| 03:01.44 | rwhitby | don-o: congrats on passing the mokomakefile attention span test - now you are qualified to have enough patience to continue being an openmoko developer :-) |
| 03:02.03 | don-o | rwhitby: ha. i was having beers through most of it. |
| 03:02.26 | gcb77 | my monomakefile's been going for so many hours... |
| 03:02.26 | rwhitby | another important developer quality ... |
| 03:03.18 | gcb77 | stopped working last night because of git1.4 |
| 03:03.27 | gcb77 | is it really supposed to take this long? |
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| 03:04.05 | don-o | gcb77: my 'make setup' took 3 hours 45 minutes |
| 03:04.06 | summatusmentis | if GTA02 is given to devs for testing, I volunteer to take P1 off of any dev who wants hands |
| 03:04.27 | don-o | gcb77: largely because of monotone |
| 03:10.13 | SpeedEvil | IMO - software will likely hold it up more than hardware |
| 03:10.19 | paulproteus | AlexZhang, By 'beta test' you mean P1 or P1.5 or what? |
| 03:10.28 | paulproteus | I mean, aloril ^^ |
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| 03:10.50 | aloril | paulproteus: I mean GTA02 (P1.5==P1+) |
| 03:11.00 | Kal_Torak | so damn cold :( |
| 03:11.14 | aloril | paulproteus: I would hope P1 has been tested enough because it supposedly goes to sale soon ;-) |
| 03:11.18 | linux_galore | real dev's have clusters heh |
| 03:11.23 | Kal_Torak | >_< |
| 03:11.37 | aloril | paulproteus: P0/P1 (GTA01Bv3/4 was betatested months ago) |
| 03:11.48 | paulproteus | Ah, /me nods |
| 03:11.52 | Kal_Torak | ... |
| 03:11.53 | summatusmentis | Kal_Torak: where in the world are you at the Atlantic? |
| 03:11.56 | paulproteus | Hmm, I don't actually have seven gigs on this machine. |
| 03:12.12 | Kal_Torak | I stayed the night on an island off the coast of Maine, USA last night |
| 03:12.15 | Kal_Torak | Nice island. |
| 03:12.25 | Kal_Torak | I hate the cold water up here though :| |
| 03:12.28 | summatusmentis | Kal_Torak: MDI? |
| 03:12.42 | Kal_Torak | I know of at least 3 things that MDI stands for. |
| 03:12.43 | summatusmentis | and yeah, there's about one day in August where the Atlantic might be warm enough to swim in |
| 03:12.51 | summatusmentis | Mount Desert Island? |
| 03:12.54 | Kal_Torak | Oh, no |
| 03:13.01 | Kal_Torak | Some little random island |
| 03:13.04 | aloril | SpeedEvil: you mean drivers for new hardware in GTA02? |
| 03:13.16 | summatusmentis | Kal_Torak: I see |
| 03:13.30 | summatusmentis | I live in the middle of Maine, and MDI is usually where people go |
| 03:14.11 | summatusmentis | Kal_Torak: but yeah, Atlantic is un-swimmable |
| 03:14.17 | summatusmentis | at least in ME |
| 03:14.19 | linux_galore | no email back to the factory |
| 03:14.22 | Kal_Torak | Yeah. |
| 03:14.43 | Kal_Torak | I'm going to try it out in North Carolina next summer. |
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| 03:14.55 | Kal_Torak | Eh, where in Maine are you? |
| 03:15.11 | summatusmentis | Kal_Torak: Sebec, smack-dab in the middle of the state |
| 03:15.31 | Kal_Torak | nice, I think I've been through there. |
| 03:15.41 | summatusmentis | what?!? noone goes through here |
| 03:15.54 | Kal_Torak | http://www.google.com/maps?q=Kingfield,+ME,+USA&sa=X&oi=map&ct=image |
| 03:15.56 | Kal_Torak | Me. |
| 03:17.20 | summatusmentis | http://www.google.com/maps?saddr=Kingfield,+ME&geocode=&daddr=Sebec,+ME&f=d&sll=45.087096,-70.101013&sspn=0.734934,1.889648&ie=UTF8&ll=45.061882,-69.628601&spn=0.735258,1.889648&z=9&om=1 |
| 03:17.21 | summatusmentis | me |
| 03:17.50 | summatusmentis | Why in the world would you go through sebec? |
| 03:18.16 | Kal_Torak | I dunno |
| 03:18.21 | Kal_Torak | It just sounds familiar |
| 03:18.38 | summatusmentis | there's not much north of here... hmm |
| 03:18.42 | SpeedEvil | aloril: no - software - end-user. |
| 03:18.47 | Kal_Torak | I've been all the way north :D |
| 03:18.54 | Kal_Torak | I peeked across the border |
| 03:19.12 | SpeedEvil | aloril: The drivers for all the hardware is pretty trivial. |
| 03:19.13 | aloril | SpeedEvil: sure, but that is P2, I'm talking about P1+ (GTA02) |
| 03:19.36 | SpeedEvil | aloril: I would expect the software to delay end-user, more than the hardware. |
| 03:20.14 | summatusmentis | Kal_Torak: well, I've been up to Presque Isle, but only for sports(in HS) |
| 03:20.23 | Kal_Torak | yeah |
| 03:20.28 | Kal_Torak | I've been up there. |
| 03:20.48 | Kal_Torak | Had some friends up near... Houlton I think |
| 03:20.51 | Kal_Torak | somewhere up there |
| 03:20.58 | summatusmentis | cool stuff |
| 03:21.00 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 03:21.08 | aloril | SpeedEvil: ie.. I see 4 stages for GTA02: 1) prototype (happened earlier this month) 2) free betatest with selected developers (similar to what happened with GTA01Bv[34] (P[01]), >=September), 3) GTA02 sold to developers (near year change maybe), 4) Mass market sale (sometime next year) |
| 03:21.33 | SpeedEvil | 1.2 reroll PCB at least prolly |
| 03:22.39 | aloril | 3) GTA02 sold for developers only needs hardware that has been tested and has drivers ;-) |
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| 03:31.20 | aloril | summatusmentis: I doubt they would make error of stating *date* of GTA02 availability, more like what it will have (hardware) |
| 03:31.29 | aloril | best date is: "as soon as possible" ;-) |
| 03:31.59 | summatusmentis | aloril: yeah, I know I know |
| 03:32.06 | summatusmentis | I'm just anxious |
| 03:38.33 | aloril | has anybody actually gotten 4GB microSD? |
| 03:42.12 | happycube | newegg dosen't list any (yet) |
| 03:44.02 | happycube | kingston has one with a minisd adapter as well... so you could put a microsd into a minisd and [from somewhere else] an sd |
| 03:44.07 | happycube | *into |
| 03:45.46 | SpeedEvil | I found a vendor claiming stock on froogle,co.uk |
| 03:45.52 | SpeedEvil | I posted it a while back |
| 03:46.20 | SpeedEvil | http://www.onlinememory.co.uk/sandisk-4gb-microsd-card-transflash-p-745.html?currency=GBP&language=en |
| 03:46.26 | SpeedEvil | Also there are some on ebay |
| 03:47.44 | happycube | cool |
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| 03:51.23 | aloril | SpeedEvil: yeah, I saw that link, thus ".. actually gotten .." ;-) |
| 03:52.23 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 03:54.50 | aloril | some months ago there was page that was selling Neo1973 (don't recall anymore whether it claimed to have them in stock too, probably didn't go that far) |
| 03:55.21 | aloril | $499 or so I think? (yeah, I think somebody was trying to rip up people) |
| 03:56.43 | Kal_Torak | I'll check back in a couple months. |
| 03:56.45 | Kal_Torak | ta ta. |
| 03:57.31 | aloril | $495 with mockup images (not images of real Neo1973) |
| 03:58.19 | aloril | actually it was 1.5 months ago (that page not anymore up) |
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| 04:08.55 | linux_galore | about USD$180 ouch |
| 04:09.05 | linux_galore | for 4GB |
| 04:10.29 | happycube | owwww |
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| 04:15.12 | rwhitby | there have been no reports of actual ability to purchase 4GB microSD. And we know that FIC guys are looking hard to find some. |
| 04:15.39 | SpeedEvil | 2G seems quite available. |
| 04:19.32 | aloril | reading iPhone reviews: "There's also no way to cut, copy, or paste text." "There's no instant messaging" "you can't use your songs as ringtones. There aren't any games" |
| 04:20.44 | linux_galore | aloril: no SDK either |
| 04:21.07 | cjb | aloril: do you have a port of a goban for the openmoko build, by any chance? |
| 04:21.14 | cjb | aloril: I tried gpe-go, but it crashed (SIGILL) |
| 04:22.07 | linux_galore | aloril: the iPhone should be renamed iLockin_Device_From_Helll |
| 04:22.08 | aloril | cjb: no, didn't see any suitable gtk+ only program also there is no program like what I want so .. I'll code one myself |
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| 04:23.09 | aloril | linux_galore: end user device, while Neo1973 is developers device (hopefully in future Neo1973 is both ;-) |
| 04:23.31 | cjb | aloril: what do you want? |
| 04:23.35 | aloril | with end user I mean only those users that don't want to tinker/develop ;-) |
| 04:24.12 | linux_galore | aloril: I showed some of my non developer buddies the NEO1973 images and specs and they all drooled |
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| 04:24.49 | aloril | cjb: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Go_Teaching_Program |
| 04:25.09 | aloril | linux_galore: oh |
| 04:25.39 | linux_galore | aloril: they all use Linux though so they are convered Linux geeks |
| 04:25.46 | linux_galore | converted* |
| 04:26.33 | aloril | iPhone is like nice house with nice garden, etc.. but its "watch only, no touching or gardening or any tinkering with *anything* |
| 04:26.38 | aloril | " |
| 04:27.10 | cjb | aloril: Jobs said that the web apps can do everything the local ones can |
| 04:27.15 | cjb | so there's clearly some misinformation somewhere |
| 04:27.17 | aloril | linux_galore: OK ;-) (so they don't count as "end users" in sense that they don't like tinkering |
| 04:27.22 | linux_galore | aloril: thats what I told them when I explained the difference, few said they were not going to get an iPhone if its all locked down |
| 04:27.22 | cjb | I don't know what he actually means by that |
| 04:27.33 | cjb | but at the least I'd expect it to mean that, say, local storage is available if you're a webapp |
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| 04:28.12 | aloril | umm.. your linux using buddies probably do like tinkering |
| 04:28.26 | cjb | aloril: how strong a go player are you? :) |
| 04:28.56 | linux_galore | aloril: well they all seem to like to add stuff or do some mild hacking of their hardware |
| 04:28.56 | cjb | aloril: btw, I think igowin already has this mode, on 9x9 -- you start at 30k and it updates your "rank" as you play and win/lose |
| 04:29.41 | aloril | cjb: woah, that opens door to dangerous apps from spam |
| 04:30.03 | aloril | cjb: not open source (and I want more than just that) |
| 04:30.16 | aloril | cjb: maybe 3k at KGS |
| 04:30.38 | cjb | aloril: oh, neat, same here. |
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| 04:31.24 | linux_galore | cjb: aaah not > or != then, nice to hear |
| 04:31.39 | linux_galore | heh |
| 04:32.08 | cjb | linux_galore: well, there's a steady stream of bullshit coming out from Apple about it, it just means that we don't know what's true and what's isn't. |
| 04:32.25 | cjb | web pages are clearly *not* "just like" native binaries. |
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| 04:33.02 | linux_galore | cjb: yeah, having all the developer stuff web based is just moronic in my books |
| 04:33.35 | cjb | aloril: I'd like to see a go learning program that reviews my games and says "hey, dude, right here at move 74, you keep misplaying this joseki, it's supposed to look like this." |
| 04:33.49 | cjb | should be possible already with kombilo and some inference |
| 04:33.52 | linux_galore | cjb: I can see the iPhone turning into some quasi myspace device that looks terrible |
| 04:34.21 | cjb | linux_galore: yeah. I'm not making any predictions: people said the iPod was a god-awful idea too. |
| 04:34.54 | linux_galore | cjb: iPOD though does its job really well and doesnt really do much either |
| 04:35.28 | linux_galore | cjb: iPhone is far more complex beast |
| 04:35.30 | aloril | Aloriless (Aloril is reserved for cyborg usage, though seems I haven't used it for long time) |
| 04:35.35 | cjb | linux_galore: right, but at the time people said "who needs a crappy music player that doesn't hold much music and can't do anything except play music" |
| 04:36.21 | linux_galore | cjb: yeah, Apple added iTunes and the whole thing changed |
| 04:36.30 | cjb | aloril: or something like "in 90% of recent games with the mini-chinese, the white player plays here, and you play *here* which is totally why the other dude gets that big moyo and then you die". |
| 04:36.31 | cjb | :) |
| 04:37.01 | aloril | cjb: yeah, especially that joseki should be possible |
| 04:37.19 | cjb | anything where we have a large database of games and can harness percentages |
| 04:37.19 | linux_galore | back to the factory |
| 04:37.43 | cjb | fuseki's obviously easier than joseki, because for joseki you have to know how to limit/rotate/invert colors on a search space. |
| 04:40.31 | aloril | what can be easier, just touch screen where you want to place stone, even <=3 year should be able to do that |
| 04:41.26 | summatusmentis | there'd better be a sudoku game |
| 04:42.47 | cjb | aloril: I want 19x19 so that I can review pro games on the subway :) |
| 04:44.37 | aloril | cjb: should work OK too (but for small children its harder, but then doubt 3 year old would have stamina for 19x19 game anyway ;-) |
| 04:45.10 | cjb | at least if you're reviewing, the buttons you need are forwards and back :) |
| 04:45.23 | cjb | off to bed now. let me know if you get anywhere with go on moko, I'll be interested in helping. |
| 04:47.38 | aloril | "Initially it would also flash and mark all intersections where user can play. |
| 04:47.38 | aloril | Gradually it would fade these helps away. This would be configurable too." |
| 04:48.03 | aloril | + other stuff should allow to start play Go without knowing rules and learn them as you go |
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| 04:48.24 | SpeedEvil | MoGo! |
| 04:48.48 | aloril | dream would be bare gtk+ go client + some monte carlo UCT engine + few simple engines (but no GNU Go, too big) to be bundled by default in Neo1973 |
| 04:49.16 | aloril | SpeedEvil: that name has been already reserved, its name of strong go program ;-) |
| 04:50.00 | aloril | of course should support loading 19x19 games too ;-) |
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| 06:33.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 621 has been created by autobuild-reports(AT)openmoko.org |
| 06:33.02 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-tasks-0.1+svnnow-r0_252-do_compile |
| 06:33.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=621 |
| 06:38.34 | CM | Heh, autobuild managed to report it before I did :/ |
| 06:40.24 | ynezz | do you know what is used for autobuilds? |
| 06:41.14 | ynezz | if it's buildbot or something else? |
| 06:42.46 | CM | Don't know, but I think I've heard buildbot mentioned before |
| 06:45.49 | rwhitby | it's tinderbox I believe |
| 06:46.02 | rwhitby | zecke runs it for OE and OM |
| 06:46.17 | rwhitby | look in oe/classes/tinderclient.bbclass |
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| 06:47.25 | rwhitby | the bug reporting, however, is done by seppuku |
| 06:47.30 | rwhitby | see http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/AutoBug |
| 06:48.48 | CM | rwhitby: Thanks, good to know :) |
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| 06:51.10 | Sup3rkiddo | we have a new autobuild? |
| 06:52.01 | Sup3rkiddo | cool |
| 06:53.43 | aloril | (script) planet: Marcin "hrw" Juszkiewicz: How to buy Neo1973 phone http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/06/27/how-to-buy-neo1973-phone/ |
| 06:55.48 | aloril | hrw|gone: second place now ;-) |
| 06:56.53 | aloril | ( [[Neo1973]] is at first place ) |
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| 07:11.36 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:12.07 | xkr47 | 9 hours still |
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| 07:14.51 | ynezz | rwhitby: thanks for info |
| 07:14.59 | rwhitby | np |
| 07:15.09 | CM | I really don't see why Sean is so terribly afraid of saying anything |
| 07:15.43 | CM | It's always "We'll do an announcement soon", then silence |
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| 07:16.21 | linux_galore | god Im so sick of iPhone articles, Im making a greasemonkey plugin to remove iPhone article heh |
| 07:16.38 | linux_galore | articles* |
| 07:19.34 | xkr47 | :) |
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| 07:20.30 | aloril | CM: I *suspect* this time announce is "it" (or that is plan) |
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| 07:24.32 | aloril | linux_galore: ooh, then you won't like this (I did warn you!): http://newsd0.topsite2007.com/Tops-Search-Freetards-are-trying-to-make-an-iPhone-clone/ |
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| 07:31.06 | CM | aloril: Hehe |
| 07:31.07 | aloril | "A camera module is expected to be added in a later revision of the hardware." http://www.channelweb.co.uk/vnunet/news/2192036/first-open-source-mobile-phone |
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| 07:33.19 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:44.20 | mjr | it would be nice to the plug-hackability if the internal usb (per default housing a AIUI somewhat detachable BT module) could be exposed to the back |
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| 07:49.59 | aloril | which will happen first: being able to order Neo1973 (yay!) or being able to buy iPhone (don't care personally) ? |
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| 07:55.45 | buz | counter |
| 07:55.45 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (60% for P1<=2007-07-07) 60% for *news* in 04:32:07 (0.189±0.2 days) (1607;240) |
| 07:56.02 | aloril | woah, iPhone OS uses lots of space: "700 megabytes is occupied by the phone’s software." ( http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/27/technology/circuits/27pogue.html ) |
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| 07:56.17 | aloril | "Making a call, though, can take as many as six steps: wake the phone, unlock its buttons, summon the Home screen, open the Phone program, view the Recent Calls or speed-dial list, and select a name." |
| 07:56.24 | xkr47 | probably 1600x1200 images :) |
| 07:57.04 | aloril | signature (unique for every person) unlocking was earlier idea |
| 07:57.29 | aloril | above gave this new idea: gesture program launching: make certain gesture and given program launches |
| 07:58.11 | aloril | so to call: signature unlock + gesture call + find number to call (or gesture for common numbers) |
| 07:58.31 | aloril | all of that for commonly called numbers could take less than 1s |
| 08:05.12 | aloril | s/launch/lanuch or switch to/ |
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| 08:57.22 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: rough seas |
| 08:58.18 | aloril | oh, ok, I'll add a day ;-) |
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| 08:59.04 | aloril | counter |
| 08:59.04 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (60% for P1<=2007-07-07) 60% for *news* in 13:30:27 (0.563±0.6 days) (1608;240) |
| 08:59.16 | aloril | (actually 24-5h) |
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| 09:06.21 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 75% for *news* in |
| 09:06.21 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 75% for *news* in |
| 09:08.31 | aloril | "The delay is not writing the announcement, but finalizing things internally so we can publicly commit. " (Sean) |
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| 09:10.36 | aloril | so it was Thursday already when he wrote it first, hmm.. |
| 09:14.13 | aloril | added 5h back, so now it covers whole Thursday at Taiwan + 1h fuzzy factor |
| 09:14.16 | aloril | counter |
| 09:14.16 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 75% for *news* in 15:52:51 (0.662±0.7 days) (1609;240) |
| 09:14.47 | aloril | above mail at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-June/005996.html |
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| 09:17.46 | florian | good morning |
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| 09:22.53 | FuzzyCat | lo |
| 09:23.34 | Stephmw | mornin |
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| 09:27.44 | ravan_ | aloril: why is it 75% for *news* ? shouldn't it be 100% ? |
| 09:28.20 | alphaone | ravan_: You just never know :-) |
| 09:28.31 | aloril | well, giving 1/4 chance that they are not able to "finalizing things internally" in time |
| 09:29.31 | FuzzyCat | ...tick tock tick tock.... |
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| 09:30.42 | Kero | a quarter? what "things" are not possible to estimate to cost either more or less than one working day? |
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| 09:32.55 | webjames | i thought we would hear something yesterday - no matter i've got my driving theory test tomorrow |
| 09:32.57 | Kero | but I'll be happy to finally hear the announcement I;'ve been waiting for so long... |
| 09:33.38 | buz | webjames: good luck then |
| 09:34.38 | webjames | buz, thanks buz - it's the hazard perception bit i can't seem to crack, strange i'm quite good at clicking a mouse! |
| 09:34.45 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2346 10/trunk/oe/conf/distro/include/preferred-openmoko-versions.inc: |
| 09:34.45 | CIA-17 | openmoko: * As usual. Until #621 is fixed upstream we stay with an older, compiling, |
| 09:34.45 | CIA-17 | openmoko: version. |
| 09:35.07 | aloril | Kero: I think any amount of stuff might take more than a day to do |
| 09:35.32 | Elrond | !ombug 621 |
| 09:35.33 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 621, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 09:35.34 | cdbot2 | * * autobuild-reports(AT)openmoko.org: openmoko-tasks-0.1+svnnow-r0_252-do_compile |
| 09:35.35 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=621 |
| 09:35.56 | buz | i dunno about your country, but in switzerland it's basically learn questions by heart. |
| 09:36.03 | buz | some are completely illogical |
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| 09:37.19 | webjames | yeah, we have that to, but we also have this other test where they play a video and you have to click a mouse when you see a hazard, and more when it develops, but it you click too much you get 0 |
| 09:38.02 | Kero | aloril: might take, yes; but without knowing a day in advance, Oops! |
| 09:39.36 | buz | ah thats interesting thing |
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| 09:39.41 | buz | not completely braindead like ours |
| 09:40.13 | buz | one cant buy intel wireless cards right? |
| 09:40.34 | Kero | aloril: I do software in an agile way, we plan and track many things. My boss&customer would be upset if I can't tell today what will be done the next day (not that they should ask every day... that would not be agile...) |
| 09:40.35 | ewon | huh? |
| 09:40.40 | Kero | (and now lunch) |
| 09:40.49 | ewon | I like writing research code |
| 09:40.58 | webjames | buz, not truly, but the women said after i took mine and failed the hazard bit that "i might be clicking too fast, so when i see the hazard wait then click" anyway we'll see what happens tomorrow |
| 09:43.26 | Elrond | BTW: Is the current openmoko-panel-mainmenu still trying to suspend th phine, etc? |
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| 09:44.14 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Not by default |
| 09:45.02 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in |
| 09:45.02 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in |
| 09:45.16 | aloril | Kero: OK, I'll give 10% probability for oops |
| 09:46.52 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Ahh, good. So I can upgrade without fearing it trying to suspend the phone while I'm working via ssh on it. :-) |
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| 09:49.19 | buz | so sean promises to make the announcement really soon now (tm) |
| 09:50.00 | mmp | buz: really soon = now? :) |
| 09:52.41 | rd_ | umm |
| 09:52.45 | rd_ | not now :D |
| 09:52.49 | rd_ | i guess so |
| 09:53.24 | rd_ | aloril, i would give 80% for *news* |
| 09:53.25 | rd_ | :) |
| 09:54.37 | aloril | rd_: hehe |
| 09:54.49 | aloril | maybe it is today actually.. hoping |
| 09:55.21 | aloril | 60% for today and 30% for tomorrow and 10% for later |
| 10:03.30 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2347 10/trunk/oe/conf/distro/include/preferred-openmoko-versions.inc: * Fixed upstream |
| 10:05.49 | CM | Yay, just compiled it :) |
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| 10:14.38 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: AFAIK koto is the start to share code between tasks and contacts |
| 10:14.38 | hrw | zecke: OH use japanese names for projects |
| 10:14.38 | hrw | stefan_schmidt: this is hito iirc |
| 10:14.46 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: hmm |
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| 10:15.10 | zecke | hrw: for letter words only? |
| 10:15.31 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: Ah, you are right: http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/hito-2007-06-18-19-50 |
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| 10:19.00 | buz | mhh what would sepukku be? port to winmobile? |
| 10:19.30 | zecke | that would be up to OH |
| 10:19.52 | buz | yeah but it would have to be a sufficiently insane project to warrant the name |
| 10:20.25 | zecke | agreed |
| 10:21.03 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: You could call a closed GL project sepukku. ;) |
| 10:21.15 | bluelightning | or kamikaze perhaps... :) |
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| 10:21.51 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - *lol* ;-) |
| 10:21.54 | hrw | bluelightning: kamikaze is openwrt distro version already |
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| 10:22.42 | zecke | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.18 | Elrond | Anybody can recommend a stable, useable, stable, terninal jabber client? |
| 10:23.26 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: I guessed that already. :) |
| 10:23.29 | zecke | ;) |
| 10:24.06 | buz | Elrond: terninal=console ? |
| 10:24.25 | bluelightning | hrw: oh ok, didn't know that |
| 10:24.39 | Elrond | buz - Yep. |
| 10:24.48 | Elrond | buz - ==screen. |
| 10:24.49 | buz | not sure if that even exists |
| 10:25.21 | zecke | Elrond: I would recommend pidgin.im but I have not yet used the terminal version |
| 10:25.26 | hrw | 12:25 hrw@home:~$ apt-cache search jabber console |
| 10:25.26 | hrw | cabber - Easy and basic jabber console client |
| 10:25.26 | hrw | freetalk - a console based Jabber client |
| 10:25.26 | hrw | mcabber - Small Jabber console client |
| 10:25.27 | alphaone | Elrond: xmpp4r and do it yourself? |
| 10:25.34 | hrw | few to choose |
| 10:26.12 | Elrond | alphaone - hehe. :-) |
| 10:26.24 | Kensan | Elrond: try irssi+bitlbee |
| 10:26.27 | Elrond | hrw - I asked for "recommend". ;o)) |
| 10:26.41 | Elrond | Kensan - Ahh. :) |
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| 10:33.52 | stefan_schmidt | holtmann, Elrond: New build on the buildhost is on the way. |
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| 10:37.52 | aloril | (script) planet: Holger "zecke" Freyther: Pythong Bindings, where is the source http://zecke.blogspot.com/2007/06/pythong-bindings-where-is-source.html |
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| 10:48.12 | Dvalin | hm |
| 10:48.26 | Dvalin | I tried looking at the wiki and finding out where to buy without luck |
| 10:48.30 | Dvalin | can someone help me? :) |
| 10:48.30 | aloril | Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (link to FAQ in wiki) |
| 10:49.52 | Kero | no, you can't buy, yet |
| 10:50.37 | Kero | but if you stick around, say 24h, you might hear it together with the rest of us :) |
| 10:51.57 | aloril | counter |
| 10:51.57 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 15:04:01 (0.628±0.6 days) (1610;240) |
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| 10:53.45 | Kero | aloril: 10% now huh? :) I have no idea whether you are close enough to taiwan to know what Sean meant with "things". |
| 10:54.16 | aloril | Kero: hehe |
| 10:54.28 | Dvalin | ah |
| 10:58.05 | Dvalin | so noone knows when? d'oh, I blindly trusted the nice man with the nice phone at FOSDEM who said it would be available around this time :( |
| 11:00.07 | Kero | Dvalin: the 24h is rather serious |
| 11:00.22 | SpeedEvil | Well - ... |
| 11:00.47 | SpeedEvil | There have been delays. |
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| 11:00.56 | SpeedEvil | There may continue to be delays. |
| 11:05.41 | Dvalin | oh, so there'll be some official announcement tomorrow? |
| 11:06.00 | SpeedEvil | Probably. |
| 11:06.04 | Dvalin | okay |
| 11:06.12 | SpeedEvil | It was said a week, a week ago |
| 11:06.48 | Dvalin | is the wiki admin around here btw.? |
| 11:07.26 | SpeedEvil | Why? |
| 11:07.57 | Dvalin | I only wanted to greet him, met him at drank a bit with him at FOSDEM, nice guy :) |
| 11:08.03 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 11:08.23 | Dvalin | he did a good job at promoting openmoko at coridors and booze hours under FOSDEM :D |
| 11:08.42 | Dvalin | s/good/great/ :D |
| 11:10.25 | amarsh04 | most recent news: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-June/005996.html |
| 11:11.17 | aloril | Dvalin: or announcement could be today too, maybe even more likely |
| 11:11.29 | Dvalin | okay |
| 11:12.10 | Dvalin | I'll stay around for it then, then I can tell my grand children that I was present at the announcement of openmoko availability! :o) |
| 11:12.28 | aloril | hehe |
| 11:13.27 | Dvalin | a long with my imaginary stories about my war hero efforts and being the first man on mars etc. |
| 11:13.44 | Dvalin | I'll be a great granddad :D |
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| 11:14.14 | SpeedEvil | Don't be silly - that's impossible. |
| 11:14.24 | amarsh04 | in .au we can look up our grandfathers' WWI records and find out how many times they were court-martialed |
| 11:14.25 | SpeedEvil | I'm going to be the first man on mars :) |
| 11:14.58 | amarsh04 | just as well they didn't release that until after the WWI veterans had passed away |
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| 11:24.45 | SpeedEvil | Tehy haven't all passed away though |
| 11:24.55 | SpeedEvil | Or have they in .au |
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| 11:26.19 | amarsh04 | just about all in .au |
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| 11:26.21 | SpeedEvil | Oh - I apparently missed that - the last UK vet departed in 2006 |
| 11:27.38 | SpeedEvil | http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/last-wwi-veteran-dies/2005/10/18/1129401230173.html |
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| 11:31.12 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer" <mickey at openmoko.org> Re: Help.. How to apply patch to BitBake recipe file? |
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| 11:36.56 | Placid | I never receive announcement mails from the announce list :( |
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| 11:44.52 | aloril | Placid: there hasn't been any since April |
| 11:45.02 | Placid | ahhh |
| 11:45.12 | Placid | lol thanks, that'll explain it. |
| 11:45.26 | Placid | aloril: Isn't that one from today though? (re: <amarsh04> most recent news: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-June/005996.html) |
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| 11:45.56 | aloril | that is not announce mailing list, its community list ;-) |
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| 11:47.39 | Placid | oooh |
| 11:47.40 | Placid | I see |
| 11:47.43 | Placid | I'll sign up to that one then |
| 11:47.45 | Placid | Thanks aloril :) |
| 11:49.06 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Great. :-) |
| 11:51.43 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2348 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: * implement backlight control for GTA02 |
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| 12:04.14 | cheesy | counter |
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| 12:07.54 | cheesy | seems like there is nothing happening... |
| 12:08.21 | cheesy | no news, no release, no free phone |
| 12:11.32 | summatusmentis | waiting |
| 12:11.36 | summatusmentis | waiting is happpening |
| 12:11.59 | summatusmentis | and lots of joining and quittting |
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| 12:18.43 | cheesy | :) |
| 12:19.20 | cheesy | now the iPhone will be released before the neo |
| 12:19.43 | cheesy | :/ |
| 12:20.17 | Gybrush | is the neo comparable? |
| 12:21.22 | buz | partly |
| 12:21.22 | zell1983 | cheesy, so? |
| 12:21.22 | Mortimus | streetwise it blows it away other than that I have no idea |
| 12:21.22 | zell1983 | neo is better |
| 12:21.22 | Mortimus | *screen wise |
| 12:21.31 | buz | also neo has gps but iphone has cam |
| 12:21.37 | buz | and you can write software for neo |
| 12:21.47 | buz | (no you CAN'T write software for the iphone) |
| 12:22.03 | Mortimus | so you can use a usb cam as an alternative |
| 12:22.24 | Gybrush | has neo a touch screen interface? |
| 12:22.31 | Mortimus | yes |
| 12:22.43 | Gybrush | nice |
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| 12:23.49 | Mortimus | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Neo1973_Hardware |
| 12:23.53 | Mortimus | there are the specs |
| 12:24.08 | raster | mu |
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| 12:26.38 | Mortimus | I think that the Iphone has accelerometers to screw people over warranty wise |
| 12:26.48 | raster | hmmm |
| 12:27.06 | raster | this jtag mojo isn't being happy lucky fun time with de-bricking |
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| 12:29.23 | hrw | buz: you can write apps for iphone probably. but no one wil be able to install it ;D |
| 12:30.17 | Gybrush | hrw, heh :D |
| 12:30.30 | raster | including you |
| 12:30.31 | raster | :) |
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| 12:50.48 | buz | Py-Thong |
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| 13:02.22 | CM | buz: Hehe.. Scary thought ;) |
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| 13:34.06 | kiney | counter |
| 13:34.07 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 13:42:56 (0.571±0.6 days) (1612;240) |
| 13:36.24 | buz | mpf |
| 13:36.32 | buz | this morning it was less than 11hours |
| 13:37.30 | aloril | buz: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-June/005996.html |
| 13:37.40 | buz | yeah i know ;) |
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| 13:40.52 | CM | aloril: Ah, nice :) |
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| 13:42.19 | SpeedEvil | Just put it at the year 2525, and if it comes early, we can have a nice surprise. |
| 13:43.22 | Mortimus | i don't think this time its going to be a let down |
| 13:44.03 | DerCorny | feels better than waiting for christmas |
| 13:44.13 | Mortimus | I personally am waiting for the GTA02 series |
| 13:44.33 | buz | Mortimus: so am i, but it really depends on the discount p1 buyers get |
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| 13:44.59 | Mortimus | never considered that |
| 13:44.59 | DerCorny | i'll pass the p1 to my little brother and take the p2 |
| 13:45.45 | mjr | DerCorny, yeah. Fiancée here. |
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| 13:49.24 | Kero | just don't announce in the next hour while I'm in a meeting, OK? :) |
| 13:50.49 | Stephmw | so you're going into the meeting in 10mins? |
| 13:52.14 | Kero | wait until the evening, I'll be offline for a couple of hours. |
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| 13:59.00 | Placid | i'm waiting on p1.5 ;) |
| 13:59.40 | LoDown | counter |
| 13:59.41 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 13:30:09 (0.563±0.6 days) (1613;240) |
| 13:59.47 | raster | aha!!!! |
| 13:59.50 | raster | minicom's fault! |
| 13:59.53 | raster | aaargh! |
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| 14:02.12 | ruimoreira | hello |
| 14:02.43 | ruimoreira | i whould like to start with openmoko software development |
| 14:02.53 | ruimoreira | can anyone give me a few pointers |
| 14:02.58 | ruimoreira | on wich tools to use ? |
| 14:02.59 | aloril | ruimoreira: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 14:03.43 | CM | ruimoreira: Basically, take a look at the mokomakefile :) |
| 14:04.11 | ruimoreira | ok |
| 14:04.17 | ruimoreira | i am setting it up |
| 14:04.19 | ruimoreira | :P |
| 14:05.06 | ruimoreira | anyone from portugal here ? |
| 14:05.37 | ruimoreira | cm do you mean this ? |
| 14:05.38 | ruimoreira | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile |
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| 14:06.28 | CM | ruimoreira: Yes. Use INHERIT += "rm_work", or it will take about 10gb of disk space to build |
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| 14:07.14 | CM | ruimoreira: I just finished the complete qemu-build from scratch, and it took about 7hours on a 3000+ amd with 1gb ram |
| 14:07.55 | ruimoreira | wow |
| 14:07.56 | ruimoreira | :P |
| 14:07.59 | ruimoreira | ok |
| 14:08.10 | ruimoreira | i am very enthusiastic about this project |
| 14:08.37 | raster | lucky |
| 14:08.45 | CM | You've found it at a good time. We're expecting an announcement of availablity soon :) |
| 14:08.51 | raster | my neo currently is a happy-fun-time brick |
| 14:08.58 | Stephmw | CM: ccache+distcc installed and working? |
| 14:09.28 | CM | Stephmw: Not distcc, only have one comp up and running atm |
| 14:09.56 | ruimoreira | :) |
| 14:10.33 | CM | Stephmw: I do have ccache installed, but not configured correctly. |
| 14:10.33 | ruimoreira | any news about shipment to europe ? |
| 14:10.33 | CM | Stephmw: It broke too many gentoo builds ;) |
| 14:11.18 | aloril | ruimoreira: should ship internationally |
| 14:11.49 | ruimoreira | hope it doesen't cost a load of money to ship |
| 14:11.50 | ruimoreira | ... |
| 14:12.50 | ruimoreira | is there any place where i can volunteer to help development ? |
| 14:12.56 | ruimoreira | sorry about all the questions |
| 14:13.22 | Stephmw | CM: ahh, shame, I remember it being very, very useful :( |
| 14:13.23 | slider_ | from what i have heard there will be a shipment-hub in europe...so this might not be a problem |
| 14:13.42 | Stephmw | CM: cutting OE build times down a lot (~3 years back mind you) |
| 14:14.00 | ruimoreira | thks slider_ |
| 14:14.31 | slider_ | ruimoreira: for open tasks see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Freshman_todo |
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| 14:14.39 | CM | Stephmw: Ok. Cut down time on gentoo too, but was a hassle to keep turning it on and off when about 1 in 5 of the builds failed |
| 14:14.57 | aloril | ruimoreira: hopefully in 24h we hear more |
| 14:15.37 | CM | slider_: Nice page, haven't seen that one before. |
| 14:18.02 | Stephmw | CM: might be worthwhile working in a chroot... or find a way to enable it just during OE/OM builds |
| 14:18.13 | juco | wow! the iPhone doesn't use a SIM |
| 14:18.15 | juco | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118289311361649057.html?mod=blogs |
| 14:18.17 | slider_ | CN: stefan_schmidt posted it on the community-list some weeks ago.. but i dunno if this is still up-to-date |
| 14:18.24 | juco | at least according to that report |
| 14:18.27 | CM | Stephmw: I'll look into that. Thanks for the tip. :) |
| 14:18.41 | Stephmw | juco: even if it did, you could be certain the software would be simlocked |
| 14:18.44 | Stephmw | CM: np |
| 14:19.46 | juco | yeah, but simlocks are usually reversible by the carrier |
| 14:20.14 | Stephmw | simlocks usually are addressed via a reflash (by carriers or your friendly local reflasher) |
| 14:20.21 | juco | that's incredible, I can't believe someone is selling a GSM phone that doesn't use a SIM |
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| 14:20.58 | juco | Stephmw, sure you can reflash, but most phones that I use accept an "unlock code" when presented with a different sim |
| 14:21.20 | Stephmw | in the UK there are PAYG phones that have epoxied simcards... might as well not have em ;) |
| 14:21.39 | juco | I use AT&T, and at least in the past, they would provide that code providing the user was under contract |
| 14:21.43 | Stephmw | juco: what manufacturers? |
| 14:21.47 | ruimoreira | juco: if it does not use a sim how does it work ? |
| 14:22.00 | Stephmw | ruimoreira: you can do everything a SIMcard can in software |
| 14:22.05 | juco | ruimoreira, I don't know, I just saw that article and popped over here |
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| 14:22.14 | ruimoreira | weird |
| 14:22.15 | ruimoreira | :D |
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| 14:22.31 | Stephmw | the joys of lockin |
| 14:22.35 | ruimoreira | but then it must be locked down to e certain provider right ? |
| 14:22.46 | juco | the iphone? yes |
| 14:22.49 | juco | AT&T only |
| 14:22.52 | ruimoreira | i thought so |
| 14:22.57 | ruimoreira | lol |
| 14:22.59 | juco | they haven't announced the terms of that deal |
| 14:23.10 | juco | but I'm guessing it will be AT&T exclusive for some period of time |
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| 14:23.16 | ruimoreira | i have friends here that are anxious for it |
| 14:23.27 | Stephmw | 2 years at least iirc |
| 14:23.28 | ruimoreira | i think they will be disapointed :P |
| 14:23.33 | juco | that's great news |
| 14:23.38 | juco | at least I think so |
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| 14:24.09 | ruimoreira | i prefer openmoko :P i love freedom :D |
| 14:24.22 | juco | how about this for a slogan "OpenMoko -- sort of like the iPhone, but without as much sucking" |
| 14:24.30 | ruimoreira | :D |
| 14:24.57 | ruimoreira | a bit strong no ? |
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| 14:27.42 | Stephmw | I've had people compare the iphone's hardware (not the software) to the Nokia 7710: http://www.nokia.co.in/nokia/0,,66158,00.html |
| 14:27.57 | Stephmw | and that's not exactly a new phone |
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| 14:30.35 | juco | while I'm here, when the phase 1 phones ship, that will be all that one would need to write and load userland software, right? |
| 14:31.11 | juco | the debug board is just for driver development, right? |
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| 14:31.45 | ewon | AFAIR, all one will need is a cross compiler and some method of getting the resultant binary to the phone |
| 14:31.56 | ewon | notionally, it's just a small linux box with some extra hardware :) |
| 14:32.24 | juco | sure, but it doesn't have a bios, right? |
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| 14:33.05 | aloril | juco: wrong way around: iPhone -- sort of like OpenMoko but with more ... ;-) |
| 14:33.31 | ewon | juco: it doesn't? |
| 14:33.32 | aloril | Neo1973 was clearly announced first, dunno which project started first though |
| 14:33.46 | ewon | I have no idea really, all I know is from my Zaurus dev days |
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| 14:34.30 | ruimoreira | as soon as i have my device , i will make a presentation on my local lug |
| 14:34.42 | ruimoreira | is there any multimedia stuff i can use ? |
| 14:45.36 | ruimoreira | i can't seem to find a email client on my emulated openmoko |
| 14:45.39 | ruimoreira | is there one ? |
| 14:52.18 | buz | i dont think so |
| 14:52.34 | buz | not yet anyway |
| 14:53.04 | ruimoreira | thks |
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| 14:55.14 | don-o | 2.5 hours into the openmoko build, the disk fills up :( |
| 14:57.48 | webjames | don-o.. shame :( |
| 14:59.58 | aloril | ruimoreira: you can install your own favorite though (its 'just' a Linux after all) |
| 15:00.55 | webjames | i think arn't they using evolution stuff so it's easily syncable with opensync? |
| 15:01.01 | ruimoreira | aloril ;) |
| 15:01.01 | ruimoreira | :P |
| 15:02.37 | apic | Mir ist (seehr wahrscheinlich von dem Seroquel) ein bisschen schwindlig. |
| 15:03.04 | mjr | webjames, maybe some of the backend stuff like e-d-s, I'd doubt we want to run evo itself ;) |
| 15:03.11 | don-o | any new hardward news? |
| 15:03.27 | webjames | mjr, no no not what i'd call lightweight |
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| 15:04.28 | buz | lol, apparently the iphone cant do copy paste |
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| 15:05.01 | webjames | buz, did i hear right: the iphone does not also have a sim card? |
| 15:05.14 | buz | its a gsm phone |
| 15:05.19 | buz | i dont think they exist withotu sim |
| 15:05.22 | buz | never seen one though |
| 15:05.33 | buz | it has simcard but its simlocke |
| 15:05.34 | buz | d |
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| 15:05.48 | webjames | buz: http://www.slashgear.com/more-iphone-news-no-sim-slot-045562.php |
| 15:05.56 | mjr | Hmh. Guess if they really wanted to they could integrate a Cingular SIM to make double-sure you're not free to do what you want, but... |
| 15:07.12 | mjr | would seem. just. wrong |
| 15:07.16 | webjames | haha, openmoko, iphone ; chalk, cheese |
| 15:07.36 | Stephmw | mjr: epoxy resin is every AT&T sales rep's friend |
| 15:07.57 | webjames | as the article states: customers expect to be able to swap sim cards around phones |
| 15:08.07 | mjr | webjames, yeah, at least around here |
| 15:08.37 | juco | yeah, my biggest beef with RIM is that you have to have "blackberry service" |
| 15:08.45 | ruimoreira | sorry about the stupid question , openmoko DOES accept standard sim cards right ? |
| 15:08.51 | buz | sure |
| 15:08.55 | juco | which, at least from my provider, can not be on the same sim as normal data plans |
| 15:09.05 | antenagora | counter |
| 15:09.05 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 12:55:27 (0.539±0.5 days) (1614;240) |
| 15:09.05 | webjames | ruimoreira, yeh, and they're not glued in! |
| 15:09.07 | mjr | ruimoreira, Neo. Neo will accept. |
| 15:09.17 | ruimoreira | mjr: your are right |
| 15:09.18 | ruimoreira | .... |
| 15:09.32 | ruimoreira | sorry |
| 15:11.36 | Sup3rkiddo | counter |
| 15:11.36 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 12:54:12 (0.538±0.5 days) (1615;240) |
| 15:11.43 | Sup3rkiddo | oo..nice |
| 15:11.50 | webjames | oo indeedy! |
| 15:12.59 | Sup3rkiddo | :S |
| 15:13.48 | Sup3rkiddo | mmmm..nails |
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| 15:16.08 | PBeck | tag |
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| 15:37.56 | woglinde | 1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~13~ |
| 15:39.18 | Placid | o,0 |
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| 15:40.36 | woglinde | that was my son |
| 15:40.59 | don-o | woglinde: looks like he'l already writing turing machine tapes :) |
| 15:41.03 | zecke | woglinde: before he is break that DIGITAL keyboard, give it to me |
| 15:43.38 | xkr47 | counter |
| 15:43.38 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 12:38:11 (0.527±0.5 days) (1616;240) |
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| 15:44.20 | xkr47 | if only sometimes the counter said "you missed the event, go read your mails!!!" |
| 15:45.22 | aloril | hmm.. maybe I should add something like "counter page last update at" |
| 15:45.49 | aloril | anyway, when big event happens, it should reflect that soon |
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| 15:52.12 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hardware_Developer/it]] |
| 15:57.16 | xkr47 | maybe the counter could show how long it was since the last milestone/announcement also |
| 15:57.19 | xkr47 | :) |
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| 16:02.37 | aloril | about 30 minutes to go if strictly in a week, if same date next week Taiwan time: aboutr 24h to go |
| 16:03.29 | SpeedEvil | Seen the latest email? |
| 16:03.33 | SpeedEvil | saying 'day to go' |
| 16:03.50 | SpeedEvil | what time is it in .tw now? |
| 16:04.02 | SpeedEvil | Is it -10 ot something - so 7AM? |
| 16:04.04 | aloril | 00:03 (24h) |
| 16:05.22 | aloril | second last mail was before 00:30 Thursday and it has turned into Thursday few minutes ago at Taiwan |
| 16:08.43 | aloril | counter_msg (last update 2007-06-27T09:44) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in |
| 16:08.43 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to (last update 2007-06-27T09:44) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in |
| 16:08.44 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2349 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/smedia-glamo.patch: |
| 16:08.44 | CIA-17 | openmoko: continued smedia glamo framebuffer driver development to a point where it |
| 16:08.44 | CIA-17 | openmoko: actually has working VGA output on the GTA02 |
| 16:09.03 | aloril | (using time from Recentchanges page) |
| 16:09.14 | SpeedEvil | Hmm |
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| 16:09.31 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2350 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta02-core.patch: GTA02: use GLAMO GPIO SPI bit-banging |
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| 16:25.31 | aloril | hmm.. "finalizing things internally" == "making things ready so you can order" ? (okay, maybe its organizational structure that is being changed (almost done) and not ordering, but ..) |
| 16:26.11 | so_solid_moo | I got the impression it was the latter, myself. |
| 16:29.18 | SpeedEvil | IMO - he's meditating. |
| 16:29.26 | SpeedEvil | That's what finalising things internally means. |
| 16:29.33 | DerCorny | lol |
| 16:30.31 | Stephmw | or he's introspecting his liver |
| 16:31.41 | aloril | its now week since "rough seas" mail was announced here |
| 16:32.22 | aloril | still 23.5h left of Thursday though |
| 16:33.06 | aloril | (counter has 1h extra 'fudge factor' ;-) |
| 16:35.25 | paulproteus | aloril, is monitoring the progress of the Neo your full time job? |
| 16:35.29 | paulproteus | If so, totally awesome. (-: |
| 16:38.08 | aloril | hehe, not really, but I wait quite anxiously with credit card ready so I don't miss ;-) |
| 16:38.41 | aloril | (scripts should even awake me when announcement happens and/or webshop opens) |
| 16:39.00 | paulproteus | lol, awesome. |
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| 16:42.45 | webjames | Ben or Ojw here? |
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| 17:02.12 | aloril | its starting to look like its at least 7-9h away now |
| 17:02.36 | mintee | what's that? |
| 17:03.23 | aloril | announcement |
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| 17:03.38 | aloril | (last update 2007-06-27T09:44) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 11:58:11 (0.499±0.5 days) (1617;240) |
| 17:03.49 | aloril | see above page for links to mails |
| 17:05.15 | mintee | Maybe: EDGE (Upgrade) :'( |
| 17:06.47 | mjr | edge would be rather nice for p2, but not holding breath |
| 17:08.11 | aloril | it was literally "Maybe" in slide in tossug video |
| 17:08.44 | mjr | yah, it was also maybe-mentioned in Tampere, but very maybely |
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| 17:09.32 | mjr | edge would be quite 3g enough for me for a good while |
| 17:10.26 | zecke | mjr: do you live in a country with edge? |
| 17:11.20 | mjr | zecke, oh yes, and umts/hdspa as well |
| 17:11.50 | aloril | isn't EVDO CDMA and not supported by GSM networks (unline UMTS/HDSPA)? |
| 17:12.06 | mjr | yes it is |
| 17:12.29 | mjr | so mintee will be looking at a downgrade in bandwidth if going Neo |
| 17:12.42 | mintee | yep |
| 17:12.51 | mintee | but that's ok, cause verizon is the devil |
| 17:13.01 | juco | my experience with edge and hsdpa is that the radio bandswidth is rarely the bottleneck |
| 17:13.56 | juco | I was using a phone with hsdpa, and actually found the hsdpa service to be slower in one US city than the edge service in another |
| 17:14.16 | mjr | your actual user experience may vary, yes :] |
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| 17:19.50 | gamin | counter |
| 17:19.50 | aloril | (last update 2007-06-27T09:44) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 11:50:05 (0.493±0.5 days) (1619;240) |
| 17:20.20 | gamin | 90% for news... |
| 17:21.04 | gamin | maybe sean could open a webshop where we can buy news >:-o |
| 17:21.32 | aloril | hehe |
| 17:21.35 | xkr47 | that could make a fortune :) |
| 17:21.59 | aloril | or maybe I'm too optimistic |
| 17:24.52 | gamin | SEAAAN! Are you out there? Pleaaase give us news! I bid 10$. Who bids more? |
| 17:25.50 | aloril | 01:24 (AM) at Taiwan now |
| 17:25.57 | gamin | I see the IRC-lurker there in the second row with the green shirt? 20$? Anyone more? |
| 17:26.53 | gamin | aloril - last message from 20th june was written at midnicht too... |
| 17:27.08 | gamin | midnight even |
| 17:27.47 | aloril | gamin: yes, but see message from today, it talks about 'same date' indirectly |
| 17:28.10 | buz | 27min? you gotta be kdding me |
| 17:28.16 | buz | try 3 min ;) |
| 17:28.19 | xkr47 | :) |
| 17:28.25 | aloril | and it was about 0.5h past midnight which gives almost full extra day for him when you count at day granularity instead of 1s granularity ;-) |
| 17:29.28 | gamin | I wonder if they will send a container to europe and ship the phones from within = less shipping costs, faster, no hassle with customs |
| 17:31.20 | webjames | do you think they'll be enough to go around? |
| 17:32.11 | SpeedEvil | I think it's substantially less than a container alas. |
| 17:32.49 | xkr47 | as long as they don't send it with air france |
| 17:32.54 | xkr47 | it'll be lost for days or weeks |
| 17:33.01 | xkr47 | or british airways |
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| 17:35.36 | SpeedEvil | If it's air france, don't they burn it on the way in? |
| 17:35.47 | SpeedEvil | In support of the french phone industry? |
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| 17:42.34 | LuitvD | lol |
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| 17:53.13 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] |
| 17:53.47 | webjames | i've got a standard gps with waas at the moment, will the neo's agps be more accurate and suitable for OSM mapping? |
| 17:54.01 | SpeedEvil | Less accurate at first. |
| 17:54.12 | SpeedEvil | Potentially more accurate eventually. |
| 17:54.34 | Elrond | Why less accurate? Because of missing waas? |
| 17:54.37 | webjames | right, so i wont raise funds by selling my gps! |
| 17:54.37 | SpeedEvil | There is work going on on an open-source driver for the GPS. |
| 17:54.43 | SpeedEvil | yes, no WAAS. |
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| 17:55.12 | SpeedEvil | For OSM - with an open-source driver, you wouldn't log positions, for example, You'd log psuedoranges. |
| 17:55.32 | SpeedEvil | And correct once you get back home using downloaded error information. |
| 17:55.49 | SpeedEvil | This could be at worst WAAS, or it could be more local and better. |
| 17:55.52 | Elrond | Are tools available for that |
| 17:55.53 | Elrond | ? |
| 17:56.14 | SpeedEvil | I _think_ there are open-source tools to do that. |
| 17:56.38 | SpeedEvil | It's not fundamentally hugely complex - you just put off hte position determining bit till you get back home. |
| 17:56.50 | webjames | could i do that with my current data i'm getting? i use gpsbabel atm? |
| 17:56.50 | SpeedEvil | And put in corrections as you then decode. |
| 17:56.59 | SpeedEvil | I don't think so. |
| 17:57.08 | SpeedEvil | At least not from straight NMEA |
| 17:57.15 | Elrond | sirf3 binary has pseudoranges in it... |
| 17:57.18 | SpeedEvil | you would need psuedoranges |
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| 17:57.27 | Elrond | Or one can request it. I think. |
| 17:57.31 | SpeedEvil | if you can log those, then in principle, yes. |
| 17:57.53 | SpeedEvil | However, I've not looked at if software to do this exists. |
| 17:57.53 | webjames | right, i'm not sure thats an option |
| 17:57.59 | Elrond | A friend's sirf3 speaks nice sirfbinary. |
| 17:58.14 | Elrond | We never played with the pseudoranges. |
| 17:58.25 | Elrond | We will, when I understand more of the GLHH stuff. |
| 18:00.25 | Elrond | On my list for this or next week is the faraday test. ;-) |
| 18:02.02 | Elrond | OT: How far is this liuux project to put swap times onto normal process scheduling, so that processes, that do lots of swapping finally get less CPU (if one puts them on high-nice). |
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| 18:11.04 | aloril2 | there should be about 1000 Neo1973's by now |
| 18:12.37 | ynezz | where?! |
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| 18:13.21 | ynezz | are they smuggling them? (thats why there is no status update) |
| 18:15.42 | aloril2 | actually its not yet full 2 weeks since factory status update |
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| 18:19.04 | PBeck | re |
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| 18:42.37 | MuffY | when does this day end in the Taiwanese timezone? =p |
| 18:44.01 | summatusmentis | taiwanese? |
| 18:44.09 | summatusmentis | is that where the manufacturing is located? |
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| 18:47.20 | woglinde | thats where FIC has his headquarter |
| 18:48.51 | summatusmentis | oh I see |
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| 18:53.51 | tg | its UTC+8 |
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| 19:16.26 | thomasg_ | so this day should be over now in taiwan |
| 19:18.15 | zecke | mickeyl: did you receive the mokojournal patch? |
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| 19:21.57 | aloril2 | MuffY: this day over + 1h in Taiwan: |
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| 19:22.06 | aloril | (last update 2007-06-27T09:44) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 10:48:57 (0.451±0.5 days) (1622;241) |
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| 19:22.34 | MuffY | =D=D |
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| 19:23.43 | aloril2 | (multiply by 2 to get upper limit) |
| 19:23.52 | MuffY | =p |
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| 19:25.28 | greggypoo | i am a frequently asked question: is there anything that looks like a release date for the neo1973 or any other openmoko phones? |
| 19:25.29 | aloril | greggypoo: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:25.32 | greggypoo | ah :) |
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| 19:26.54 | DerCorny | aloril: soon. maybe within hours, maybe not |
| 19:27.43 | guaqua | counter |
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| 19:34.49 | MuffY | aarrg |
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| 19:34.52 | MuffY | neewwssssss |
| 19:35.11 | summatusmentis | NO! THERE SHALL BE NO NEWS!!! |
| 19:35.12 | MuffY | I feel like Cartman in the Nintende Wii episode of Southpark |
| 19:35.21 | bartel | ha! |
| 19:35.34 | MuffY | summatusmentis: It's in The Book of OpenMoko? |
| 19:35.35 | DerCorny | heh, i just realized that i talked to the wrong person |
| 19:35.53 | zell1983 | LOL MuffY |
| 19:36.04 | MuffY | come onnnn |
| 19:36.08 | zell1983 | :D |
| 19:36.09 | MuffY | come ooonnnn |
| 19:37.00 | bartel | take me up to the mountain and freeze me until the moko comes out |
| 19:37.35 | MuffY | but, won't that kill you? |
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| 19:38.14 | MuffY | bartel: In the future, we only use Windows based technology. There is no such things as "freedom". |
| 19:38.16 | MuffY | =p |
| 19:38.18 | summatusmentis | MuffY: exactly, look it up |
| 19:38.23 | LuitvD | bartel: give me a call when you're in the future ;) |
| 19:38.31 | bartel | LuitvD: will do |
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| 19:42.07 | Placid | bartel: that's not a bad ida |
| 19:42.23 | Placid | bartel: we should all climb a mountain and refuse to eat and to come down until they release it :) |
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| 19:54.12 | don-o | bartel: it worked for han solo. good idea. |
| 19:54.25 | woglinde | lol |
| 19:54.34 | don-o | hasnt the 'one week' timer run out for the next hardware annoncement. |
| 19:54.47 | don-o | even the annoucements *about* the hardware are late! |
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| 19:57.26 | orospakr | anyone have a Neo1973 at OLS I can drool over? |
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| 19:59.42 | woglinde | ols? |
| 20:05.17 | miip | orospakr: OLS? |
| 20:05.29 | orospakr | miip: Linux Symposium. |
| 20:05.35 | orospakr | big conference running right now. |
| 20:05.42 | miip | where? |
| 20:05.51 | koen | Ottawa |
| 20:05.56 | miip | ahh |
| 20:06.37 | koen | OLS this year sucks because the OLS people pissed of the kernel dudes last year and the kernel summit is in europe this year |
| 20:10.20 | roh | hrr.. wrong continent for hackers |
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| 20:51.02 | webjames | where'd everyone go? |
| 20:51.24 | zecke | netsplit? |
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| 20:53.00 | minime | no, neo1973 is now being sold and everyone is at the webshop |
| 20:53.17 | minime | just kiddin' ;) |
| 20:53.26 | mmp | minime: grr, don't do that |
| 20:53.36 | mmp | :) |
| 20:53.37 | summatusmentis | minime: that sort of joking is not even close to funny!!! |
| 20:53.45 | summatusmentis | mmp: I was about to open a new tab |
| 20:54.12 | minime | after all it shows, there ARE people in here |
| 20:54.37 | summatusmentis | you just made 2 of them quit in disgust :-) |
| 20:54.39 | mmp | not just us, robots? :) |
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| 20:58.38 | webjames | SpeedEvil, do you run the tiles@home software? |
| 20:59.18 | Elrond | Hmm, should clicking long on the "panel-mainmenu" show the finger mainmenu? |
| 20:59.23 | SpeedEvil | No, webjames. |
| 21:01.16 | Elrond | "in parallel"? |
| 21:01.54 | webjames | yeah, like two running at once |
| 21:02.06 | webjames | each using one core to render the bit of map |
| 21:02.11 | webjames | 'tiles' if you like |
| 21:02.21 | don-o | webjames: doesnt the client already make use of multiple cores? |
| 21:02.32 | webjames | doesn't seem to on mine |
| 21:02.41 | summatusmentis | most of those @home projects have a link on the site about multiple CPU(or in this case cores) setups |
| 21:03.30 | webjames | i suppose it can either render stuff twice as fast, or i can render two times as much twice as slow. it seems to be working anyway |
| 21:03.44 | webjames | do you think the neo will ever go dual core? |
| 21:04.03 | webjames | now that would be good, not sure on battery life though |
| 21:04.46 | CM | webjames: Probably great for batterylife, as long as it's good power management |
| 21:04.56 | CM | Just shut down one core completely :) |
| 21:05.05 | webjames | ah brilliant, of course! |
| 21:05.30 | SpeedEvil | I want to put another core in it. |
| 21:05.34 | SpeedEvil | Though only a PIC |
| 21:05.42 | webjames | a PIC? |
| 21:05.55 | SpeedEvil | http://www.microchip.com/ small microcontroller. |
| 21:05.57 | webjames | !google define:pic |
| 21:05.58 | cdbot2 | A designation for a main, or default, long distance company. Although it is an oxymoron, some areas allow an IntraLATA PIC to select a long distance carrier for calls made within the LATA. @ http://www.answerstat.com/articles/glossary.html ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:pic ) |
| 21:06.07 | SpeedEvil | few dozen bytes of RAM, few K of ROM |
| 21:06.21 | webjames | ah right |
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| 21:06.27 | SpeedEvil | !google define:microchip pic |
| 21:06.27 | cdbot2 | Sorry, no search results were found. |
| 21:07.44 | webjames | for some things it's good |
| 21:07.58 | webjames | acronyms not so good |
| 21:11.17 | summatusmentis | SOMEONE GIVE SOME SORT OF NEWS!!! |
| 21:11.59 | webjames | you know what they say "no news is good news". actually i'm not sure who they are, but they are WRONG! |
| 21:12.22 | summatusmentis | webjames++ |
| 21:12.38 | summatusmentis | you're exactly right, no news means that there's a massive cover-up |
| 21:12.59 | Stephmw | and it must involve aliens. |
| 21:13.07 | Stephmw | and deep cavity searches. |
| 21:13.14 | Stephmw | and US customs. |
| 21:13.21 | summatusmentis | Stephmw: aliens are what make a cover-up, duh! |
| 21:13.22 | CM | Did you all see Seans mail today? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-June/005996.html |
| 21:13.37 | summatusmentis | it's not a cover-up if there aren't aliens |
| 21:13.44 | CM | Just saying "Almost done", but still. It's a sound! :-) |
| 21:14.00 | CM | (or at least a message that he's still alive) |
| 21:14.20 | Stephmw | judging from all the jetting around and the weird work hours, that's a blessing |
| 21:14.29 | summatusmentis | CM: that == no news :-) |
| 21:14.44 | thomasg_ | but taiwaneses time (as he says) or not: I recieved the mail a week before yesterdays evening :) |
| 21:15.02 | CM | He's clearly cheating.. It will be 8 days ;) |
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| 21:16.03 | thomasg_ | correct. but however, I think we can really count on a new post on the announce-list within the next 20 hours :) |
| 21:17.13 | summatusmentis | I've only got 6 or 7 till I have to sleep :-/ |
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| 21:18.06 | thomasg_ | I have to sleep now, its almost 12 pm here :) |
| 21:18.33 | thomasg_ | but I hate sleeping (or I hate going to bed, sleeping is ok ^^) |
| 21:19.13 | idarwin | as rod mckuen says, you should go to bed with a good book, or somebody that's read one |
| 21:19.48 | idarwin | s/that/who/ |
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| 21:23.23 | webjames | Elrond, good, i was wondering why that wasn't there :) |
| 21:23.46 | Elrond | webjames - Well, it's only on my phone. I can give it to you, if you want it. |
| 21:23.56 | Elrond | ... if you have an icon, it would be better, even. |
| 21:24.39 | webjames | i might design one |
| 21:24.41 | Elrond | webjames - Well, it's not there, because you're expected to press the power-button for 1 second and choose "Power-Off" from the popup-menu. But that doesn't work for me. |
| 21:24.58 | webjames | what size should it be? |
| 21:25.11 | Elrond | Huh, good question. |
| 21:28.23 | Elrond | webjames - http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-apps/openmoko-terminal/openmoko-terminal.png |
| 21:28.31 | Elrond | One example icon. |
| 21:30.00 | don-o | how much disk space does the openmoko build need? |
| 21:30.22 | webjames | thanks |
| 21:31.33 | paulproteus | don-o, The mokomakefile wiki page says 7GiB. |
| 21:31.42 | don-o | paulproteus: thx. |
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| 21:33.36 | Elrond | OM% du -sh . |
| 21:33.37 | Elrond | 1.1G . |
| 21:33.56 | Elrond | But that's a limited build. No X11, no gtk, no Openmoko. ;o) |
| 21:34.05 | paulproteus | Well... |
| 21:34.54 | Stephmw | does that include all the intermediary object files too? |
| 21:35.16 | Elrond | Stephmw - In my case: Only half. I added the rm_work thingy only in the middle. ;-) |
| 21:35.33 | Elrond | Stephmw - I think, the 7GB estimate is including those. |
| 21:36.13 | Stephmw | ahh |
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| 21:49.44 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 21:50.46 | ruimoreira | can anyone here help me with the MonoMakefile ? |
| 21:50.51 | ruimoreira | i am getting a error |
| 21:52.02 | Kero | counter |
| 21:52.02 | aloril | (last update 2007-06-27T09:44) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 09:33:59 (0.399±0.4 days) (1625;241) |
| 21:52.20 | paulproteus | ruimoreira, Say the error and we'll see what we can do. |
| 21:52.40 | paulproteus | In general it's better to ask the question and wait for a reply rather than ask if you can ask a question! |
| 21:52.40 | ruimoreira | NOTE: Task failed: /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/ncurses-5.4-r8/temp/log.do_install.3556 |
| 21:52.40 | ruimoreira | NOTE: package ncurses-5.4-r8: task do_install: failed |
| 21:52.40 | ruimoreira | ERROR: TaskFailed event exception, aborting |
| 21:52.41 | ruimoreira | NOTE: package ncurses-5.4: failed |
| 21:52.41 | ruimoreira | ERROR: Build of openmoko-devel-image failed |
| 21:52.47 | ruimoreira | lol |
| 21:53.12 | ruimoreira | your right .... but this could be the wrong place to post the question |
| 21:53.34 | ruimoreira | ........ |
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| 22:00.33 | webjames | Elrond, well i've made something, bearing in mind this is my first icon, how could i send you it? |
| 22:00.43 | aevin | bayimg! :-P |
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| 22:01.34 | SpeedEvil | Stupid question. Why does MMF/... take so much disk? Is it simply the source/objects of all the packages? |
| 22:01.36 | LuitvD | counter |
| 22:01.37 | aloril | (last update 2007-06-27T09:44) http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 09:29:11 (0.395±0.4 days) (1626;241) |
| 22:01.38 | LuitvD | hmm |
| 22:01.57 | LuitvD | can't go to sleep with that ... |
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| 22:05.08 | Kensan | ruimoreira: what does /home/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-linux/ncurses-5.4-r8/temp/log.do_install.3556 say? Can you post it to pastebin? |
| 22:05.28 | ruimoreira | yeap |
| 22:06.01 | ruimoreira | nothing muche |
| 22:06.02 | ruimoreira | much |
| 22:06.09 | ruimoreira | .... |
| 22:06.09 | ruimoreira | -> oe_runmake failed |
| 22:06.16 | Kensan | btw, rwithby would argue it called MokoMakefile. |
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| 22:06.54 | ruimoreira | oops |
| 22:07.43 | Kensan | can you put the logs in pastebin? |
| 22:07.53 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Sean]] [[Talk:Application_Manager]] |
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| 22:09.40 | ruimoreira | sorry .... pastebin ? |
| 22:09.58 | CoreDump|home | ~pastebin |
| 22:09.59 | apt | [pastebin] a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 22:10.11 | ruimoreira | ok |
| 22:12.17 | ruimoreira | just a sec..... |
| 22:12.43 | ruimoreira | here |
| 22:12.44 | ruimoreira | http://pastebin.com/937903 |
| 22:13.45 | bartel | pastebin.osuosl.org |
| 22:17.41 | Elrond | webjames - mail? dcc? upload somewhere? |
| 22:18.15 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - space: Yes. whole X11 build for example. |
| 22:18.56 | Kensan | ruimoreira, what distro are you using? |
| 22:19.22 | ruimoreira | fedora 7 |
| 22:19.27 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: thanks. |
| 22:20.00 | ruimoreira | gcc 4.1.2 btw |
| 22:20.44 | Kensan | ruimoreira: this might help: http://www.dream-multimedia-tv.de/board/thread.php?threadid=4191 |
| 22:20.56 | ruimoreira | thks |
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| 22:22.33 | ruimoreira | got it |
| 22:23.53 | Kensan | ruimoreira: some more info: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-ncurses/2005-08/msg00022.html |
| 22:26.46 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - http://en.pastebin.ca/592766 |
| 22:27.29 | SpeedEvil | thanks. |
| 22:29.36 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - If you _only_ want to build openmoko GUI libraries and apps for your host, and accept "you don't get the OpenMoko theme, but your default Gtk-Theme", a very simple build in about 100MB is possible. I have build openmoko-messages in about 46MB. |
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| 22:35.27 | summatusmentis | can someone explain to me why there is gonna be a stylus w/ the neo? |
| 22:36.02 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: because you'd need one to use the touchscreen |
| 22:37.07 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home: I thought it was gonna be 'finger-touch' sensitive? |
| 22:37.11 | Elrond | summatusmentis - Because there are stylus based apps. |
| 22:37.19 | Elrond | summatusmentis - Both. |
| 22:37.21 | CoreDump|home | exactly |
| 22:37.28 | summatusmentis | oh, that's bothersome |
| 22:37.35 | summatusmentis | particularly if there's no silo built in |
| 22:37.50 | CoreDump|home | normal phone function will be usable w/ your fingers |
| 22:38.44 | summatusmentis | I thought everything would be finger usage |
| 22:38.45 | summatusmentis | ok |
| 22:39.00 | summatusmentis | I guess if there's plans for stylus based apps, having a stylus makes sense :-) |
| 22:40.26 | Elrond | Those apps already exist partly. |
| 22:40.40 | summatusmentis | ok, fair enough |
| 22:41.27 | summatusmentis | the casing isn't gonna change at all, to hold a stylus is it? |
| 22:41.27 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: text input w/o a stylus would be almost impossible. |
| 22:41.53 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - In landscape mode it would be somewhat possible. |
| 22:42.08 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - I can handle some of the stylus based apps using my fingernail. |
| 22:42.17 | gcb77 | with accelerometers you could tilt to scroll :) |
| 22:42.27 | CoreDump|home | gcb77: that would rule |
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| 22:42.42 | Elrond | gcb77 - *duck* You're invited to implement that. ;-) |
| 22:42.45 | summatusmentis | that really would |
| 22:43.00 | gcb77 | working on it... one step at a time... makefile first |
| 22:43.29 | Elrond | gcb77 - Please excuse this. :-) (I was pissed by one project's answer to all questions "send patches".) |
| 22:43.50 | CoreDump|home | the correct answer would have been "Patches welcome" ;) |
| 22:44.44 | summatusmentis | I don't know, I think some cool things could be done for text input w/out a stylus |
| 22:44.53 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - I don't know the exact wording, but it was pretty close to "send patches". |
| 22:45.00 | CoreDump|home | ;) |
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| 22:53.10 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home, Elrond: is there gonna be an easy way to transport stylus? |
| 22:53.38 | CoreDump|home | it fits inside neos bag |
| 22:53.46 | Elrond | summatusmentis - The stylus looks like a pen, so you can carry it like a normal pen. |
| 22:53.59 | ynezz | or like rambo knife! |
| 22:53.59 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - Oh, it fits in the pouch? |
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| 22:54.12 | Elrond | (I didn't get the pouch) |
| 22:54.30 | CoreDump|home | yep |
| 22:54.39 | summatusmentis | pouch? cool |
| 22:55.01 | summatusmentis | Elrond: I'm used to the Zaurus Stylii, not easily carried in a pocket |
| 22:57.20 | Elrond | summatusmentis - http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/412593301/ (you wont get the debug board + FPC + other debugtools, that's an extra item) |
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| 23:00.39 | summatusmentis | Elrond: thanks! I like that look better than the artist mockups on the wiki |
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| 23:02.26 | Elrond | summatusmentis - The openmoko pool has lots of pics. |
| 23:02.45 | summatusmentis | I'm looking now, thanks :-) |
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| 23:04.44 | GaKKGaKk | !counter |
| 23:04.52 | GaKKGaKk | counter |
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| 23:05.39 | linux_galore | Elrond: nice pics |
| 23:06.02 | ruimoreira | lucky guy :D |
| 23:06.13 | summatusmentis | they keyboard app doesn't look bad... not the best in the world, but not bad |
| 23:06.30 | GaKKGaKk | Pictures? care to repost a link? |
| 23:07.40 | linux_galore | http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/412593301/ |
| 23:08.13 | Elrond | linux_galore - Only one in the pool (and a few others) are mine. Most are by others. |
| 23:09.02 | summatusmentis | I'm all for the acclerometer/landscape keyboard |
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| 23:10.36 | summatusmentis | http://www.flickr.com/photos/lorphos/512655060/in/pool-openmoko/ <-- what coin is that? |
| 23:10.46 | summatusmentis | can someone provide a reference in US coinage? |
| 23:10.55 | Elrond | Probably germean euro... need to check the pic. |
| 23:11.05 | ruimoreira | 2 euros :D |
| 23:11.22 | Elrond | Yeah, 2 euro. |
| 23:11.28 | summatusmentis | ruimoreira: any idea as to comparison to US coins? sizewise? |
| 23:11.34 | ruimoreira | nop |
| 23:11.47 | bartel | what about pesos? |
| 23:11.48 | linux_galore | love this pic, definitely a Linux phone (shows a term open on the openmoko) http://www.flickr.com/photos/lorphos/512691135/ |
| 23:12.08 | linux_galore | actually lots of pics on flicker of the openmoko http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=openmoko&w=all&s=int |
| 23:12.26 | ruimoreira | and all gourgeous pictures :D |
| 23:12.26 | summatusmentis | Elrond: compared to a quarter? |
| 23:12.33 | GaKKGaKk | thnx |
| 23:12.36 | Elrond | summatusmentis - I have no idea. |
| 23:12.45 | GaKKGaKk | I saw python bindings today... I need this thing. |
| 23:13.11 | summatusmentis | alright, thanks |
| 23:13.35 | bartel | why would anyone get an.... iphone.... |
| 23:13.45 | linux_galore | heh , this will make some really jealous "two openmoko's side by side" http://www.flickr.com/photos/hrwandil/492698911/ |
| 23:13.46 | summatusmentis | because it's available? |
| 23:13.53 | ruimoreira | bartel: there are people that hate freedom :D |
| 23:14.21 | bartel | ruimoreira: you telling me you're not going to be in line on friday? |
| 23:14.24 | bartel | :) |
| 23:14.35 | linux_galore | I must admit the display is really clear |
| 23:14.39 | ruimoreira | i live in portugal |
| 23:14.42 | ruimoreira | :D |
| 23:14.59 | ruimoreira | we won't have iphone for a few months |
| 23:15.04 | ruimoreira | but even so |
| 23:15.05 | ruimoreira | no |
| 23:15.13 | summatusmentis | still before the neo at this rate :-/ |
| 23:15.16 | ruimoreira | i whould not nuy it |
| 23:15.20 | GaKKGaKk | There are a lot of blurry pics of the neo.. If someone would send me theirs, I could take some real pictures... |
| 23:15.32 | linux_galore | bartel: why be in Line when you will have an openmoko for 1/2 the price and not locked into AT&(were the fsk is my signal)T |
| 23:15.33 | ruimoreira | *buy |
| 23:15.36 | summatusmentis | GaKKGaKk: underhanded! |
| 23:15.44 | bartel | linux_galore: agreed |
| 23:15.50 | bartel | and be able to hack/extend it |
| 23:15.50 | Elrond | GaKKGaKk - koen makes really good pics. |
| 23:16.16 | ruimoreira | that is because you all love freedom :P |
| 23:16.18 | CoreDump|home | he has a very good camera |
| 23:16.33 | summatusmentis | but, my offer does still stand, if devs get GTA02 for free, I'll take P1 off any devs hands who's looking to get rid of it |
| 23:16.59 | ruimoreira | :) |
| 23:17.04 | ruimoreira | nice thinking |
| 23:17.05 | ruimoreira | .... |
| 23:17.20 | summatusmentis | :-P not likely gonna happen, but it's worth a shot |
| 23:17.29 | ruimoreira | ;) |
| 23:17.45 | summatusmentis | why is it so flipping hard to find pictures of currency next to each other? |
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| 23:18.30 | GaKKGaKk | Elrond: where?? And I just really wanted the neo :P |
| 23:18.43 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - I think, my pics aren't too bad either? |
| 23:19.23 | Elrond | GaKKGaKk - http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/sets/72157594573486523/detail/ |
| 23:20.06 | GaKKGaKk | a 2 euro is 26mm, about an inch. |
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| 23:20.16 | GaKKGaKk | a quarter, I do not know. |
| 23:20.41 | GaKKGaKk | uhm... wiki says 25mm |
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| 23:21.25 | linux_galore | this will get you a few thousand geek points if you show this off http://www.flickr.com/photos/bjorn_b/414944631/ |
| 23:21.30 | summatusmentis | GaKKGaKk: oh... pretty close then |
| 23:21.39 | summatusmentis | and Elrond your pictures are good too |
| 23:22.34 | summatusmentis | heh, hopefully the app manager works *cough*unlike Openzaurus'*cough* |
| 23:22.37 | GaKKGaKk | Yes ;) but the 2 euro is worth a lot more, so don't let anyone fool you. |
| 23:22.52 | Elrond | linux_galore - Guess what I do, when I want to show the neo to geeks-who-don't-know-the-neo? Let them switch it on and watch them watch the screen. ;o) |
| 23:23.25 | summatusmentis | GaKKGaKk: I was just looking for size comparison :-P |
| 23:23.57 | linux_galore | Elrond: now your just pissing me off heh |
| 23:24.17 | gcb77 | summatusmentis: Cardboard cutout with th eright size and a picture posted on it works good |
| 23:24.20 | Elrond | linux_galore - Heh, not my intention. |
| 23:24.43 | summatusmentis | are accelerometers potentially gonna be part of GTA02? |
| 23:24.50 | summatusmentis | gcb77: true :-) |
| 23:25.07 | Elrond | summatusmentis - It's getting evaluated, as we talk. |
| 23:25.14 | linux_galore | they should put the flicker link to all the openmoko pic's on the wiki |
| 23:25.23 | summatusmentis | Elrond: here's hopoing |
| 23:25.43 | summatusmentis | hoping* accelerometer based stuff would potentially make the stylus less necessary |
| 23:31.48 | CoreDump|home | summatusmentis: http://hentges.net/tmp/photos/Neo1973/img_0337.jpg |
| 23:33.40 | summatusmentis | CoreDump|home: thanks! that's the kind of stuff i'm looking for :-) something I recongize |
| 23:33.46 | CoreDump|home | ;) |
| 23:34.07 | linux_galore | someone should take a picture of a phone next to a ruler |
| 23:34.29 | CoreDump|home | the dimensions should be in the wiki somwhere |
| 23:34.45 | linux_galore | CoreDump|home: a picture is worth a thousand words |
| 23:35.08 | CoreDump|home | And I don't have a ruler =) |
| 23:35.19 | gcb77 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Neo1973_Hardware#Physical_Dimensions |
| 23:35.42 | linux_galore | yeah but people often cant mentally visualise based on numbers |
| 23:36.05 | summatusmentis | so instead we use Zaurus C3200s ;-) |
| 23:38.35 | GaKKGaKk | linux_galore: http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/153-Apple-iPhone-vs-OpenMoko |
| 23:38.47 | GaKKGaKk | :) And then add a pack of cards. |
| 23:40.10 | Mortimus | NEWS! |
| 23:40.23 | summatusmentis | Mortimus: you have some? or want some? |
| 23:40.45 | Mortimus | i found the june update |
| 23:40.50 | Mortimus | maybe im late |
| 23:40.50 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 23:40.57 | Mortimus | still reading |
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| 23:46.55 | Mortimus | whats the temp in maine? |
| 23:47.09 | summatusmentis | 79F |
| 23:47.15 | summatusmentis | 26C |
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| 23:57.04 | Mortimus | i can deal with that |
| 23:57.21 | summatusmentis | Mortimus: can I ask where you're from |
| 23:57.59 | Mortimus | sure, new jersey |
| 23:58.20 | Mortimus | its raining and muggy last time i went near a window |
| 23:58.46 | summatusmentis | it's rainy up here too, extremely muggy |
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| 23:59.33 | Mortimus | beaches are nasty on muggy days |
| 23:59.41 | Mortimus | well at least for me |
