| 00:03.15 | DukeOfURL | bummer |
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| 00:23.57 | miip | Elrond: try fbi |
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| 00:30.09 | aevin | DukeOfURL: there'll probably be an update about the latest progress/further process coming next week, if I parsed Sean's latest post to the community ML right ... |
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| 00:52.56 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03andrew * r2334 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/usb-hid.c: Clean up keyboard code enough for upstream. |
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| 00:55.09 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03andrew * r2335 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/s3c2410.c: Implement S3C UART RxTimeout interrupt (gsmd's buggy read loop depends on this). |
| 00:56.06 | Plasma_GR | The $350 price has the taxes included or not? I live in europe so I guess there will be some taxes to pay extra or something right? |
| 00:58.48 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03andrew * r2336 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 00:58.48 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Implement many new GSM AT commands (some are undocumented), registering |
| 00:58.48 | CIA-24 | openmoko: with network, signal strength, error reporting levels. |
| 01:01.32 | summatusmentis | Plasma_GR: as I don't know for sure, don't quote me on this, but I would assume taxes are not included |
| 01:03.58 | Plasma_GR | erm fine, i know thats not a clear answer but its an answer heh, thankx |
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| 01:26.05 | summatusmentis | will P1+ have something > GPRS? |
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| 02:02.34 | aevin | summatusmentis: P1+ , that would be the GTA02, wouldn't it? at least the GTA02 will have WiFi of some sort (IEEE 802.11b+g(?)), but not EDGE or UMTS (3G) according to what have been told so far. |
| 02:04.15 | aevin | summatusmentis: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973#Phase_1.2B.2F1.5_.28GTA02.29 |
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| 02:09.55 | mrcucumber | Hello, I was working on the first item in the freshman todo, I was wondering if it would be okay to bring in another library to handle the command line argument parsing |
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| 02:56.43 | aloril | news: a) at Monday, b) at Tuesday, c) at Wednesday, d) delayed e) Saturday or Sunday ? |
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| 03:03.56 | summatusmentis | thanks aevin |
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| 03:40.15 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 70% for *news* in 2 days 04:09:52 (2.174±2.2 days) (1553;235) |
| 03:43.49 | summatusmentis | how in the world does it figure percentages? |
| 03:48.27 | madwoota | guess |
| 03:48.58 | aloril | guess as is said in counter page |
| 03:49.38 | aloril | in past I think most of time when it was said that news was coming it usually did game in time |
| 03:50.21 | summatusmentis | guessing percentages huh? sort of misleading I guess |
| 03:50.39 | summatusmentis | or maybe it's just me, but when I see percentages I assume it's a mathematical something or other :-P |
| 03:51.16 | aloril | hehe, well.. if 3 news and 2 has come in time, that would be somewhat like this ;-) |
| 03:51.48 | summatusmentis | :-) |
| 03:52.17 | summatusmentis | I'm hoping it gets to the point where the software will be usable enough |
| 03:53.01 | summatusmentis | except it's way overpriced, and I'd rather have the neo |
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| 04:05.23 | summatusmentis | hi Linux_Galore |
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| 04:18.09 | summatusmentis | hi Linux_Galore, again :-P |
| 04:18.49 | Linux_Galore | don't press the big red button |
| 04:19.22 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 04:37.02 | baird | Hmm.. Something I'm looking forward to doing if/when the OM gets a camera-- doing a 'high quality JPEG rescaling mode'. A friend just sent me a photo from his new Nokia N95, and it creates these worthlessly large 5Mpix images with savagely decimated chromiance & etc, that only look good after using GIMP to scale them down to 800x600 and saving the images /properly/... |
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| 04:41.39 | summatusmentis | what's the possible Mpix count on the neo cam? |
| 04:54.45 | aloril | future Neo/whatever with potential cam could have different chip |
| 04:55.45 | Linux_Galore | baird: I use Digikam and it has a built in image editor that allow me to import the image from the N95 then resize, fix the colour balance chroma etc then save it to my image database |
| 04:56.09 | Linux_Galore | allows* |
| 04:57.17 | aloril | GTA02 chip currently being evaluated (but pins needed for camera are not put to connector) http://www.smediatech.com/product3370.htm ) |
| 04:58.37 | Linux_Galore | I have a feeling too there is an image editor program that you can run on the N95 to resize edit the colour/chroma etc before you save or send the image |
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| 05:00.35 | Linux_Galore | I just had a look at my N95 and there is an image editor built in |
| 05:01.11 | Linux_Galore | Ive only taken about 4 pictures with mine so far I usually use a proper camera |
| 05:03.10 | Linux_Galore | for all the functionality that the N95 offers none of it is what i would call good, the whole device is about compromises |
| 05:03.32 | Linux_Galore | I recharge the bloody thing every night |
| 05:04.52 | Linux_Galore | the mp3 player is rubbish (sound wise) compared to an iPOD |
| 05:06.17 | Linux_Galore | it has an equalizer but that like using a $1,000 equalizer with a $50 amp, wast of time |
| 05:06.23 | Linux_Galore | that is* |
| 05:08.03 | Linux_Galore | I have used sennhesier cx300 headphones with each so I cant complain that the headset is the problem |
| 05:08.20 | Linux_Galore | headphones sorry |
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| 05:12.36 | Linux_Galore | Ive been told if you want to use the N95 for audio get some bluetooth headphones that way you dont have to listen to the poor quality of the a-d converter |
| 05:13.12 | Linux_Galore | I must admit though the N95 with bluetooth devices is pretty good |
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| 08:56.17 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 70% for *news* in 2 days 01:31:51 (2.064±2.1 days) (1559;236) |
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| 09:06.11 | sascham83 | hi @ all |
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| 09:08.08 | sascham83 | can ne 1 of you tell me, where to get this rootfs-file which i have to extract when getting openmoko working on host with xoo? |
| 09:08.10 | aloril | sascham83: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 09:17.16 | sascham83 | sorry, this didn't answer my question. it says, that i will have a $OMDIR/build/tmp/image directory with that rootfs file in it, but i haven't :-( did i do something wrong? |
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| 09:27.22 | PBeck | hi |
| 09:27.29 | PBeck | counter |
| 09:27.29 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 70% for *news* in 2 days 01:16:15 (2.053±2.1 days) (1560;236) |
| 09:27.39 | PBeck | :) |
| 09:32.59 | Linux_Galore | yeah, 6 weeks <sigh> |
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| 09:51.58 | buz | how is 7-7 6 weeks? |
| 09:52.04 | buz | try 2 |
| 09:57.30 | Linux_Galore | buz: late July isnt 2 weeks |
| 09:57.46 | buz | (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) |
| 09:57.52 | buz | where do you read about late july |
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| 09:58.27 | Linux_Galore | buz: marketing reality, I have yet to see anything release on its exact date with so much vagueness attached |
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| 09:58.46 | buz | ah well by that measure it could just as well be october ;) |
| 09:59.06 | buz | OTOH, it got delayed 6 months already |
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| 09:59.15 | Linux_Galore | buz: I always add 2-3 weeks onto a maybe for any product release |
| 09:59.31 | Linux_Galore | buz: just because its there doesnt mean I can buy one either |
| 09:59.48 | buz | that heavily depends on what shipping is used |
| 09:59.58 | buz | it's fully possible to get phones in 48h to your door |
| 10:00.08 | buz | pricing just isnt very sane for that |
| 10:00.16 | Elrond | Linux_Galore - You once talked a bit about laptops. Can you recommend a small to medium sized thing, that works well with linux? (I'd appreciate not having to install any binary-only drivers) |
| 10:00.59 | Elrond | jeddy3 - BTW: What does "bahnhof" stand for in .se? It has a german meaning, that's, why I ask. |
| 10:01.12 | buz | Elrond: most that run intel 950 or 965 graphics |
| 10:01.32 | buz | thinkpad X60 or x61 for a really small one |
| 10:01.48 | Linux_Galore | Elrond: hmm my rules are simple, Dont buy Sony and "all intel" and maybe "Nvidia for graphics" every laptops I have purchased always works |
| 10:01.48 | jeddy3 | Elrond, it has no swedish meaning, it's a ISP, and possibly they just chose bahnhof for it's german meaning... |
| 10:02.01 | buz | you DO BUY ALL intel |
| 10:02.16 | buz | nvidia graphics if you can live with binary only |
| 10:02.30 | buz | and make a BIG circle around everything ATI |
| 10:02.34 | jeddy3 | Elrond, it's ...something like railyard in german? |
| 10:02.42 | Linux_Galore | yeah, Intel gear is fully supported in the kernel |
| 10:02.49 | buz | which these days pretty much means no amd |
| 10:02.51 | Elrond | jeddy3 - railway station. |
| 10:02.51 | Linux_Galore | the more of it the better I say lol |
| 10:03.05 | buz | maybe except for intel 4965 wireless |
| 10:03.11 | buz | that might not be supported yet |
| 10:03.18 | buz | should be in short order anyway |
| 10:03.20 | jeddy3 | Elrond, ah ok, it's just a name of a company here |
| 10:03.30 | Linux_Galore | buz: last i looked thats been fixed |
| 10:03.30 | buz | intel 3945 wireless is perfect |
| 10:03.35 | buz | oh good then |
| 10:03.38 | Elrond | jeddy3 - funny name choosing. :) |
| 10:03.46 | buz | i checked 10d ago |
| 10:03.49 | buz | then it wasnt fixed iirc |
| 10:04.09 | Linux_Galore | thoug if you want wireless aim for a older intel version, fewer bugs |
| 10:04.24 | buz | unless you really really need draft N that is |
| 10:04.37 | Elrond | draft N? |
| 10:04.40 | jeddy3 | Elrond, yeah :) |
| 10:04.53 | Linux_Galore | Im not sold on N I have a linksys card that does N and its anything buy great |
| 10:04.55 | Linux_Galore | but* |
| 10:06.03 | Linux_Galore | G does the job |
| 10:06.04 | Elrond | So the laptop area is a lot better than the desktop area these days? |
| 10:06.35 | Linux_Galore | Elrond: well less issues these days unless you buy total crap |
| 10:07.08 | Linux_Galore | Elrond: always take a live cd just in case |
| 10:07.16 | Elrond | Yeah. :) |
| 10:07.40 | buz | i wouldnt say its better than desktops |
| 10:07.42 | Linux_Galore | Elrond: the last few laptop I purchased for the company though all ran Linux just fine |
| 10:07.48 | buz | but not much of an issue anymore if you know you're way |
| 10:08.08 | buz | anyone got any opinion on dell latitudes? |
| 10:08.51 | Linux_Galore | buz: they work ok but the keyboard quality seems to vary way too much between the mdoels |
| 10:08.55 | Linux_Galore | models* |
| 10:08.56 | buz | (i would buy lenovo but lenovo switzerland has their head stuck very far where the sun doesnt shine) |
| 10:09.08 | buz | Linux_Galore: i'm looking at the top end. D830 or so |
| 10:09.14 | Linux_Galore | yeah, Lenovo are pretty good kit |
| 10:09.27 | buz | it is, if only lenovo switzerland would actually sell you current kit |
| 10:09.38 | Linux_Galore | buz: D8** series work fine |
| 10:09.50 | buz | i still think they are a bit pricey |
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| 10:10.09 | Linux_Galore | buz: yeah, getting into mabook territory |
| 10:10.15 | Linux_Galore | macbook* |
| 10:10.42 | buz | mhh more than macbook |
| 10:10.45 | buz | but way better specs |
| 10:10.46 | Linux_Galore | whats funny Linux runs really well on a macbook |
| 10:10.52 | buz | it's about the same pricing as thinkpads |
| 10:11.00 | buz | but unlike thinkpads, i dont trust dell |
| 10:11.28 | Linux_Galore | buz: Dell are fine as long as you get check the support contract when you buy it |
| 10:11.57 | buz | D830 come with 3 year onsite by default in siwtzerland |
| 10:12.02 | buz | i could care less for on site though |
| 10:12.11 | Linux_Galore | Dell sell based on support not so much quality, if your after quality and support then HP or Lenovo |
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| 10:13.12 | Linux_Galore | buz: just go to www.google.com/linux and type dell d830 |
| 10:13.33 | buz | i dont care for support, i care for rock solid build ;) |
| 10:13.44 | buz | i'd get a hp 6710b but the fan controller is FUBAR |
| 10:14.18 | Linux_Galore | HP do some decent AMD lappies but they are so close to the Intel price why would you bother |
| 10:14.34 | buz | 6710b is intel |
| 10:14.38 | buz | quite sanely priced too |
| 10:14.55 | buz | the amd version with the same specs is actually 20% cheaper |
| 10:15.01 | buz | but i sure as hell wont go back to ati |
| 10:15.18 | buz | (i had a t60, gorgeos kit, for a month, got rid of it because of the stupid ati graphics= |
| 10:16.16 | buz | 6710b with 2GB ram, 160gb hd, dvdrw and 1680x1050 (which is the main thing i want) costs 1000E here |
| 10:17.01 | buz | but until the fan control isnt fixed i wont buy it |
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| 10:17.56 | Linux_Galore | buz: hmm it works but seems to be a bit of a pain to get X working |
| 10:18.06 | buz | yeah |
| 10:18.20 | buz | but once you've seen 1680x1050 there's NFW to go back to 1280x800 |
| 10:18.50 | Elrond | Linux_Galore - For the desktops I got the impression, that Dell thingies were quite good quality. |
| 10:19.05 | Linux_Galore | buz: also fan issues |
| 10:20.04 | Linux_Galore | buz: seems to be more of a hardware is very new but kernel isnt quite there yet |
| 10:20.35 | buz | the fan issues is a hardware thing |
| 10:20.38 | buz | happens under vista as well |
| 10:21.09 | Linux_Galore | buz: dont worry its been fixed, that was last year just checked the dates |
| 10:21.36 | buz | cant be right |
| 10:21.40 | buz | 6710b was released in may |
| 10:22.33 | buz | http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?s=6774cd09b3772df842db7b414f480be9&t=124973&page=2 |
| 10:22.37 | buz | still pretty much broken it seems |
| 10:22.40 | Linux_Galore | buz: 6710b uses the 950 chipset that been out for a while now, Im seeing 965 stuff on the shelves |
| 10:23.03 | Linux_Galore | buz: hmm bios problems <sigh> |
| 10:23.10 | buz | no, 6710b uses 965 |
| 10:23.27 | buz | 7400 uses 950 |
| 10:23.41 | buz | i'd get the 7400 but i want GMAx 3100 |
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| 10:24.28 | buz | besides i cant find a 4MB cache edition of the 7400 here |
| 10:25.09 | Linux_Galore | buz: take a Gutsy CD to test it lol |
| 10:25.31 | buz | cant test it nobody has it on display |
| 10:25.50 | buz | everything works save for the fan issue |
| 10:26.45 | Linux_Galore | buz: I know 965 works ok because there is a local place near me that sells generic laptops with that chipset with an Ubuntu option |
| 10:26.54 | buz | yeah i know |
| 10:27.14 | buz | i k now someone in the ubuntu forums runs ubuntu on the 6710b even |
| 10:27.26 | buz | (you need a git x driver on feisty, though) |
| 10:28.19 | buz | i might go for fujitsu siemens if lenovo doesnt get the T61 soon |
| 10:28.33 | Linux_Galore | I havent tried 965 stuff yet myself because it breaks one of my rules. its less than 6 months old |
| 10:30.55 | Linux_Galore | Ive got two NEC Versa laptops, one in 8 years old and still working the other is 3 |
| 10:31.46 | Linux_Galore | I wouldnt give NEC awards for low weight laptops but they just dont break |
| 10:32.06 | Linux_Galore | is 8 years* |
| 10:32.24 | buz | the thinkpad was neat |
| 10:32.30 | buz | 15wide and only 2.4kg |
| 10:32.42 | Linux_Galore | buz: Thinkpads have very good keyboards |
| 10:32.46 | buz | i know |
| 10:32.54 | buz | tho the one on my toshiba portege isnt bad either |
| 10:33.04 | Linux_Galore | buz: also all the media keys are sorted and work in Linux |
| 10:33.18 | buz | most |
| 10:33.20 | Linux_Galore | Yeah I have a Toshiba right now |
| 10:33.40 | buz | toshiba sadly has no lightweight 1680x1050 notebook |
| 10:33.47 | Linux_Galore | buz: well the last two i tried the keys "just worked" |
| 10:33.58 | buz | suspend didnt in my case |
| 10:34.10 | buz | and neither did the resolution stuff but that is plainly atis fault |
| 10:34.12 | Linux_Galore | suspend has always been an issue |
| 10:34.19 | buz | suspend does work |
| 10:34.21 | buz | just not the keys |
| 10:34.37 | Linux_Galore | well right now my laptop suspends "some times" |
| 10:34.46 | buz | mine does quite reliably |
| 10:34.51 | buz | takes a long time though |
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| 10:35.07 | Linux_Galore | if I hybernate too long it just doesnt work at all |
| 10:35.41 | buz | i barely ever use hibernate |
| 10:35.48 | buz | technically it works |
| 10:35.51 | buz | but its kinda useless to me |
| 10:36.12 | Linux_Galore | I can hybernate for half an hour ok but any longer and Im playing russian roulette |
| 10:37.21 | Linux_Galore | I like the build quality of Toshi's to be honest |
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| 10:37.52 | Linux_Galore | they are not what I would call a cutting edge supplier but there laptops dont seem to fall appart |
| 10:39.11 | Linux_Galore | Ive got a really old P1 120 Toshi I still use to do DOS work on old eeproms chipsets for some industrial machinery that people keep refusing to scrap |
| 10:40.19 | Linux_Galore | once every three months I boot it up to burn some new eeproms, it only has a 400mb hardisk in it |
| 10:40.37 | buz | subjectively, i'd rate thinkpad t60 build quality higher than my portege |
| 10:41.14 | Linux_Galore | buz: I never went with the portege range |
| 10:41.57 | Linux_Galore | Im sure they are not even Toshiba made laptops from memory |
| 10:42.48 | Linux_Galore | buz: what is it a R or M ? |
| 10:45.35 | Linux_Galore | Im off to have a shower getting late |
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| 12:07.01 | iwkse | i'm getting crazy with pivot_root. it's the only way to switch root? |
| 12:07.01 | aloril | iwkse: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 12:08.02 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 618 has been created by yoyo(AT)ghost.pl |
| 12:08.03 | cdbot2 | * * perl-native |
| 12:08.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=618 |
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| 15:59.12 | k-s | guys, anyone up to test EFL on OpenMoko hw? |
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| 15:59.56 | koen | again? |
| 16:00.08 | Elrond | What's efl? |
| 16:00.43 | koen | Elrond: see http://blog.gustavobarbieri.com.br/ |
| 16:01.02 | k-s | koen: why again? |
| 16:01.11 | k-s | koen: have you tested it? no mails from you on that! |
| 16:01.11 | koen | I tested it a few months ago :) |
| 16:01.25 | k-s | koen: you must test my new engine, really impressive gains |
| 16:01.45 | koen | I'll try to do that tomorrow or monday |
| 16:01.56 | koen | ~hail x11-16 |
| 16:01.56 | apt | ACTION bows down to x11-16 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 16:02.01 | k-s | expedite is not that good to exemplify results, because it does so much things that some optimizations are diminished |
| 16:02.16 | koen | an evas based maemo-mapper would rock |
| 16:02.31 | k-s | sure! |
| 16:02.44 | k-s | now I have to try getting others to develop apps on top of it |
| 16:02.49 | k-s | konttori comes to mind |
| 16:02.54 | k-s | maybe some games |
| 16:02.59 | k-s | but I'm really out of ideas |
| 16:03.09 | Elrond | Hmm, the top entry on the blog doesn't tell me, what efl is. |
| 16:03.13 | k-s | I need a simple demo to showcase tech... but I don't have much time to code, so it must be simple |
| 16:03.27 | k-s | Elrond: EFL is Enlightenment Foundation Libraries |
| 16:03.58 | Elrond | Ahh. |
| 16:04.00 | k-s | Elrond: which is composed by some libraries, including: Evas (Drawing area, Canvas), Edje (theme on top of Evas) |
| 16:04.02 | Elrond | This rasterman thingy. |
| 16:04.06 | k-s | Elrond: yes |
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| 16:04.38 | Elrond | I haven't bought any eye-candy-stocks. ;o) |
| 16:04.51 | k-s | eh :-P |
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| 17:20.27 | dennisharrison | hell hello everyone |
| 17:20.40 | dennisharrison | just checking in on the status |
| 17:20.49 | dennisharrison | been asking around to see where to pick up the dev kits |
| 17:21.04 | dennisharrison | and anyone been working on asterisk integration? |
| 17:21.37 | [lankester] | asterisk ? |
| 17:22.12 | dennisharrison | yeah, tying the phone in with asterisk in a couple of ways would be extremely beneficial |
| 17:22.23 | dennisharrison | we already use 'smart' phones for this every day |
| 17:23.02 | dennisharrison | and does anyone know if the fic phone will support evdo on the sprint network ? |
| 17:23.25 | dennisharrison | I emailed the american pr guy, but haven't gotten a response to that yet |
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| 17:24.59 | koen | dennisharrison: it won't, it's a GSM phone |
| 17:25.40 | Sup3rkiddo | dennisharrison, evdo requires cdma afaik...fic isnt one |
| 17:25.51 | Sup3rkiddo | s/fic/neo |
| 17:26.32 | dennisharrison | koen, Sup3rkiddo thanks :) |
| 17:27.00 | dennisharrison | oh well for that idea for now then |
| 17:27.21 | dennisharrison | it does support 802.11g right? |
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| 17:27.43 | [lankester] | will support |
| 17:27.44 | PBeck | re |
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| 17:28.28 | Sup3rkiddo | dennisharrison, yup...atheros chipset iirc |
| 17:28.29 | Elrond | dennisharrison - The next hw revision. |
| 17:28.34 | Elrond | wifi? |
| 17:28.34 | aloril | P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K): http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-April/000012.html http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F (WiFi status for P1.5 will be known for sure when P1 becomes available and also what kind of discount for P1.5 is given for P1 buyers) |
| 17:28.44 | Sup3rkiddo | yay..i was right |
| 17:28.51 | SpeedEvil | pony? |
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| 18:29.27 | summatusmentis | is there any idea as to the price range of the P1.5/P2? |
| 18:30.12 | Magon | topic |
| 18:30.35 | summatusmentis | so it'll be $350, regardless of what version of phone it is? |
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| 18:30.50 | Magon | probably |
| 18:30.59 | Elrond | No. There is just no info on P1.5/P2 pricing. |
| 18:31.14 | summatusmentis | elliotf: hrm... ok, thanks |
| 18:31.15 | Magon | but it is still the same device |
| 18:31.18 | Elrond | There is some hope for an alike price. But that's it. AFAIK. |
| 18:31.39 | Magon | it is just usable version |
| 18:31.53 | Magon | or i am wrong |
| 18:32.00 | Magon | someone mentioned wifi |
| 18:32.07 | Magon | but that is just rumon |
| 18:32.09 | summatusmentis | right, there will be updated specs |
| 18:32.11 | Elrond | Magon - The P1.5/P2 (GTA02) has more features, more flash, more CPU, etc... So no "same device" |
| 18:32.29 | Elrond | It just looks the same from outside. |
| 18:32.38 | Elrond | And will run the same kernel/rootfs. |
| 18:33.50 | summatusmentis | it's really too bad development isn't moving along faster |
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| 18:37.14 | Elrond | summatusmentis - Well, it's hardware, keep that in mind. |
| 18:37.28 | Elrond | With normal products, you wouldn't even know anything. |
| 18:37.42 | Elrond | and/or get a crappy product. |
| 18:47.19 | Magon | Elrond: developement of simple Hw stuff takes usually year |
| 18:47.24 | Magon | grr |
| 18:47.29 | Magon | to summatusmentis |
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| 19:18.05 | summatusmentis | Elrond: what do you mean? I'm not familiar w/ the dev process, since it's hardware and software, it just extends it? is that what you're saying? |
| 19:20.20 | Elrond | What I am saying: With normal products you would not know about a product before it hits the store in your town. You would not know, how many years it took to design it. |
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| 19:21.26 | summatusmentis | Elrond: that's true, that's a fair assesment. I was actually just sitting here thinking "why is fic taking so long compared to the iPhone?" but you're right |
| 19:21.41 | summatusmentis | I guess that's the nature of open{source,anything} |
| 19:21.56 | summatusmentis | open from the get-go |
| 19:22.02 | woglinde | summatusmentis actually the iphone isnt out |
| 19:22.16 | woglinde | and god knows how many bugs it will have |
| 19:22.24 | summatusmentis | woglinde: no, I'm aware of that |
| 19:22.45 | summatusmentis | it'll be out in a week, but I'm fully aware that there's no real comparison yet |
| 19:23.21 | woglinde | i dont belivie it will be a cool phone |
| 19:23.59 | summatusmentis | I think it has the same strengths that the neo will have, except for the open platform |
| 19:24.12 | summatusmentis | personally, I'm excited about this 'next-generation' of phones |
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| 19:25.34 | CoreDump | woglinde: you may think about apple what you want but they usually make their gadgets appear pretty cool |
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| 19:26.30 | summatusmentis | that's very true, and again, I was just using the iPhone as an example. I'll just have to learn to be patient :-P |
| 19:27.37 | summatusmentis | I'll be back later, I'm not trying to bash the openmoko project at all, I think it's great what people are doing |
| 19:28.33 | CoreDump | I'll be even cooler when more devices get out iunto the wild ;) |
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| 19:33.34 | SpeedEvil | Aha - the strategy is to release on the same day as Iphone, to avoid slashdot! |
| 19:35.17 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: It is _possible_ that Apple have a rather larger design team and budget. |
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| 20:19.33 | aloril2 | SpeedEvil: hehe (about same date) |
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| 20:20.12 | aloril2 | also we don't know how long iPhone has been in development |
| 20:21.40 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: :-P that's true, like I said, I haven't thought about these things thoroughly, as I'm unfamiliar with the process |
| 20:25.29 | aloril2 | nox-hand: its now 1.8 days + 1.8 days of uncertainty to either direction |
| 20:25.58 | aloril2 | so range of counter is now 0-3.6 days |
| 20:26.25 | aloril2 | (also see end of counter page) |
| 20:26.47 | nox-Hand | Yup |
| 20:26.51 | nox-Hand | THanks |
| 20:29.46 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr]] |
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| 21:21.24 | expose | will the phone be available worldwide? |
| 21:21.48 | expose | or specifically, will it be available in germany? |
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| 21:23.36 | summatusmentis | what is the wheel looking thing in these mockups? |
| 21:23.54 | miip | what mockups? |
| 21:24.28 | summatusmentis | the artist mockups on the UI on wiki.openmoko.org |
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| 21:24.36 | miip | expose: yes it will be available in germany |
| 21:25.00 | expose | Good. Thanks |
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| 21:25.48 | miip | summatusmentis: its a wheel to scroll through stuff :) |
| 21:25.52 | kiney_ | counter |
| 21:25.53 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 70% for *news* in a day 19:17:03 (1.804±1.8 days) (1565;237) |
| 21:26.07 | summatusmentis | miip: lol, oh |
| 21:26.20 | summatusmentis | it just looks sort of random, I was like "what in the world is that for?" |
| 21:26.42 | Twey | Heh |
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| 21:27.38 | Twey | What's this "anyone can buy for $350" bit? |
| 21:27.53 | Twey | Is that not mass market? |
| 21:28.07 | Twey | Or will they only be available from FIC? |
| 21:28.32 | nox-Hand | Twey: Only 1000 units afaik |
| 21:28.36 | nox-Hand | Then some more later |
| 21:28.41 | Twey | Ah |
| 21:28.49 | nox-Hand | Mass market (nuff for everyone) in September |
| 21:29.05 | nox-Hand | Twey: The ones out soon are targeted at developers that will make it awesome for us when we get ours in September |
| 21:29.06 | summatusmentis | nox-Hand: nope "Mass market perhaps in 6 months or more..." see the topic |
| 21:29.24 | miip | summatusmentis: read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Finger_Scrolling its explained there |
| 21:29.25 | summatusmentis | when we get ours in 6months |
| 21:29.37 | summatusmentis | miip: ok, thanks :-) |
| 21:29.48 | Twey | How wide is the application base? |
| 21:31.41 | SpeedEvil | Puns! http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l214/Ymdar/Motivator/raidovermoscow.jpg |
| 21:31.43 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 21:31.47 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:31.58 | SpeedEvil | nox-Hand: September is _Very_ unlikely. |
| 21:33.30 | nox-Hand | SpeedEvil: Yeah :( |
| 21:34.16 | SpeedEvil | Well - unless FIC gets _really_ excited about the project, and starts spreading the beer tokens around. |
| 21:35.02 | summatusmentis | miip: I see that being sort of annoying, hitting the bottom of the screen on a regular basis(assuming it operates like the iPod touchwheel) |
| 21:36.22 | miip | summatusmentis: yeah a hardware wheel/scrollpad or something would be better |
| 21:36.41 | summatusmentis | or even just a scroll down button |
| 21:37.20 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: hardware buttons? |
| 21:38.47 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 21:39.22 | Twey | Haha |
| 21:39.49 | rwhitby | (a future model that is) |
| 21:40.26 | SpeedEvil | I'm not adding a keyboard - that'd be silly. |
| 21:40.36 | SpeedEvil | A capacitive joystick - perhaps. |
| 21:40.37 | nox-Hand | SpeedEvil: Agreed, but we need more buttons :( |
| 21:41.01 | nox-Hand | SpeedEvil: keyboard ftl, but something like a scrollwheel with a click option would be awesomely useful |
| 21:41.08 | expose | SpeedEvil: i'll make mine watertight |
| 21:41.15 | SpeedEvil | http://www.analog.com/en/press/0,2890,3%255F%255F127985,00.html |
| 21:41.15 | nox-Hand | expose: haha |
| 21:41.19 | rwhitby | SpeedEvil: maybe silly for you, not for me. |
| 21:41.26 | nox-Hand | expose is not going to expose his Neo to the elements |
| 21:41.43 | SpeedEvil | nox-Hand: it may fail in hard vacuum. |
| 21:42.07 | nox-Hand | xP |
| 21:42.08 | SpeedEvil | nox-Hand: LCDs may not be adequately sealed, and the speakers won't work well. |
| 21:42.18 | nox-Hand | SpeedEvil: agreed |
| 21:42.48 | expose | as long as it doesnt have a joystick it's fine...those beasts break extremely often due to dust it's exposed to in everyday life |
| 21:43.22 | SpeedEvil | Capacitive joystick - with no moving parts |
| 21:43.24 | summatusmentis | something like the blackberry scrollwheeel would be nice |
| 21:43.25 | SpeedEvil | works through the case |
| 21:44.50 | SpeedEvil | Just a 'locator pip' on the outside, for feeling. |
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| 23:02.14 | stefan_schmidt | rwhitby: 28 IIRC |
| 23:03.03 | stefan_schmidt | rwhitby: pretty fast career indeed. But he works ~80h a week for that. |
| 23:03.07 | rwhitby | ok, so he also looks young for his age too (at least to me) :-) |
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| 23:10.07 | Elrond | hehe. :-) |
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| 23:18.29 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 70% for *news* in a day 18:20:45 (1.764±1.8 days) (1566;237) |
| 23:20.14 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - What's so wrong with cvs? It scales better than svn's fsfs and takes less disk space. |
| 23:22.02 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Disk space is cheap. For scaling do you have numbers? It feels really slow. |
| 23:22.30 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Besides that I'm not a fan of working around all the problems it have. |
| 23:22.51 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: But please not another SCM discussion here. |
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| 23:24.44 | stefan_schmidt | Time to sleep anyway. Night all |
| 23:25.04 | Elrond | Night stefan_schmidt :-) |
| 23:25.12 | Elrond | Hi LaF0rge |
| 23:26.31 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Well, my base point is only "don't condemn cvs so generally". |
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| 23:34.34 | Elrond | Anyone a good recommendation for a small db that can do record level locking? |
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| 23:40.35 | Linux_Galore | svn = making the same mistakes as cvs but better |
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| 23:42.14 | Elrond | "The Mozilla CVS repository was 2.7GB, imported to Subversion it grew to 8.2GB. Under Git, it shrunk to 450MB." ( http://keithp.com/blog/Repository_Formats_Matter.html ) |
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| 23:43.10 | ynezz | 10GB costs nothing... |
| 23:43.20 | SpeedEvil | reading it is expensive though |
| 23:43.31 | ynezz | could be :) |
| 23:43.41 | SpeedEvil | bench, bemch, bench |
| 23:43.58 | Elrond | ynezz - That's the old microsoft way of talking "Buy better hardware" ;o) |
| 23:44.06 | ynezz | why not |
| 23:44.12 | ynezz | it's cheap |
| 23:44.26 | Elrond | Well, see the factors. It's factor 4. |
| 23:44.39 | SpeedEvil | if svn is much faster than git, then there i an argument for it. |
| 23:44.41 | Elrond | So if it took 500GB before, it will be 2TB after. |
| 23:44.53 | ynezz | there's no git client on windows |
| 23:44.55 | SpeedEvil | If not... |
| 23:45.07 | ynezz | or wasn't last time I checked |
| 23:45.44 | Ycros | git is written quite specifically to run on linux |
| 23:46.41 | Elrond | The windows port is getting better each day. |
| 23:47.08 | Elrond | But anyway. I only posted it for the comparison of cvs and svn. |
| 23:47.28 | Linux_Galore | cvs/svn are good from smaller single point projects but when your working across the web and something with tens of thousands of files forget it |
| 23:47.38 | Linux_Galore | oops |
| 23:47.55 | Linux_Galore | cvs/svn is good for smaller* |
| 23:49.12 | Linux_Galore | I turned my /home directory into a svn setup just for fun |
| 23:49.25 | Linux_Galore | last time I will do that |
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| 23:49.44 | Elrond | Why? |
| 23:50.07 | Linux_Galore | Elrond: why, as in why did I do it ? |
| 23:50.19 | Elrond | No, why "last time". |
| 23:50.50 | Linux_Galore | Elrond: aah, starts to become too complex when your moving between distro's |
| 23:51.05 | Elrond | Huh? |
| 23:52.50 | Linux_Galore | Elrond: also it adds another layer of complexity that didnt really add much advantage for me when beagle/auto-backup worked just as well |
| 23:55.14 | Elrond | Linux_Galore - You any hint on my db question? |
| 23:58.10 | Linux_Galore | ?? SQLite |
