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| 00:12.59 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:LiveUSB_distro]] |
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| 01:56.40 | roh | morning |
| 01:57.07 | mickey|fic | morning |
| 01:58.59 | mickey|fic | cheers CoreDump|afk |
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| 02:44.19 | noidd | mornin |
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| 02:49.17 | summatusmentis | morning? I always feel so... behind in the US |
| 02:54.02 | aloril | can I put "We wish you luck" (as response to http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-June/005964.html ) |
| 02:54.13 | aloril | (in counter page, not yet updated) |
| 02:56.47 | noidd | looking |
| 02:57.24 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* |
| 02:57.25 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* |
| 02:57.54 | aloril | counter |
| 02:57.54 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* : 3 days 04:31:03 (3.188±3.2 days) (1536;233) |
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| 03:05.09 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in |
| 03:05.11 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (65% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in |
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| 03:29.37 | aloril | it almost sounds like it might be news along lines of "you can (pre)order" |
| 03:43.06 | happycube | yeah - good luck! |
| 03:47.58 | roh | aloril: there will be no preorder. that would be unfair |
| 03:48.55 | aloril | roh: OK |
| 03:49.40 | roh | aloril: it will be developer sale since at the same time specs for the gta02 will be released and people should be able to decide to either buy then or to wait depending on real announced specs and not rumors and wannahaves |
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| 03:54.03 | aloril | OK, so order announcement, but currently too early to speculate whether it will be in 'stock' (ie shipping in less than week) ;-) |
| 03:55.54 | roh | we will only start taking orders when we are ready to ship them as far as i can see |
| 03:56.07 | roh | wouln't make sense would it? |
| 03:56.45 | aloril | roh: yeah, this is what has been told in past: when you can buy P1, there will be hard information about GTA02 (P1+) specs and discount |
| 03:57.02 | aloril | roh: hehe, you are almost saying that it will start shipping in less than a week ;-) |
| 03:57.34 | roh | i really dunno. a lot of things need to be worked out till then. |
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| 03:58.53 | aloril | ok, it could still be just announcement about plans (actually mail talks about plans) |
| 03:59.48 | roh | aloril: i don't wanna give you too much hope, since i really do not know all the details, but when it happens it will be IT and not some half done promise to ship in $time or so |
| 04:01.27 | aloril | ok, "prepare your credit cards in case" -type stuff ;-) |
| 04:01.38 | roh | *g* |
| 04:02.34 | roh | my personal opinion is that it would be cruel to take money from desperate nerds and not give them real, working hardware to play with in time |
| 04:04.50 | aloril | personally I don't care if its "ships in few days" as long as I'm in the queue ;-) |
| 04:06.34 | aloril | should be enough to cover people on IRC, but might not be enough to cover people on announce list (3000 people there? wonder how many of them will order it immediately) |
| 04:07.17 | aloril | would be nice /.:ing: Neo1973 was on sale for few hours ;-) |
| 04:07.32 | roh | hrhr.. will see |
| 04:08.30 | aloril | well, if there are 1000 units: doubt IRC + mailing list would be enough to exhaust it, but I suspect /. + digg + etc.. is |
| 04:12.35 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in |
| 04:12.35 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in |
| 04:15.02 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 616 has been created by autobuild-reports(AT)openmoko.org |
| 04:15.03 | cdbot2 | * * libxosd-2.2.15+svn20060814-r4-do_fetch |
| 04:15.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=616 |
| 04:17.07 | aloril | exiting times |
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| 04:18.08 | RememberPOL | Can I get a free Neo1973? ^^ |
| 04:18.29 | SpeedEvil | Can I get a free puppy? |
| 04:18.37 | rwhitby | I want candy. |
| 04:18.53 | RememberPOL | How is OpenMoko related to Wengo? |
| 04:20.13 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it, not. |
| 04:21.10 | SpeedEvil | That seems targetted at desktops, for a phone app. |
| 04:21.23 | SpeedEvil | This is all the apps you would want on a phone. |
| 04:21.26 | SpeedEvil | In theory. |
| 04:21.34 | SpeedEvil | PIM, calendar, ... |
| 04:21.34 | RememberPOL | ah |
| 04:39.40 | aloril | Elrond: tried active attack yet? (ie modify bits coming from hh into proprietary driver for example) |
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| 04:40.36 | bmidgley | interesting, this little sidewinder "emergency charger" won't charge neo |
| 04:40.52 | bmidgley | but it will charge my wintec gps using the same plug |
| 04:41.15 | aloril | bmidgley: not even at 100mA? |
| 04:42.03 | bmidgley | aloril: the battery icon never changes to charging... i would think it would use 100mA since there's no "host" on the charging side |
| 04:42.27 | bmidgley | maybe neo waits until it negotiates a connection to a usb host before drawing any power |
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| 04:43.15 | bmidgley | i'm going to go try my car/usb adapter and see if that works |
| 04:47.14 | roh | bmidgley the moko does not charge if the usb does not tell it can provide 500mA . we adhere usb standards for a change ;) not everyone in the industry does |
| 04:47.54 | bmidgley | yeah the auto adapter doesn't do it either... need an auto adapter that negotiates 500mA :( |
| 04:48.28 | bmidgley | that must mean the ac/usb adapter included with neo does do that negotiation |
| 04:48.52 | roh | bmidgley you can also signal the moko youre a power charger which is dumb by a magic resistor on the 5th pin |
| 04:49.19 | bmidgley | that pin is normally n/c right? |
| 04:49.58 | roh | yep |
| 04:50.09 | bmidgley | roh: is looking for that resistor a standard practice or a standard |
| 04:50.18 | roh | when its 48kohm +-1% its a power charger |
| 04:50.24 | roh | id to ground |
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| 04:50.51 | roh | bmidgley its what anybody does for devices that adhere usb conventions to the possible max |
| 04:51.52 | bmidgley | roh: does the included usb cable have the resistor in it? |
| 04:52.07 | roh | bmidgley that was the plan afaik. |
| 04:52.20 | roh | not the cable. the charger should have it attached. will see |
| 04:53.10 | roh | with a normal usb-A - miniusb B which we use without any resistor for connection to computers it only charges if the port is active and negotiates successfully. |
| 04:53.27 | roh | same behaviour as motorola does e.g. |
| 04:53.54 | roh | they use different resistiors i think. thats not a standard afaik |
| 04:54.23 | roh | http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/razrv3_charger_pinout.shtml |
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| 05:57.52 | Sup3rkiddo | hey, is the segfault of the qemu in the current SVN head a known issue? |
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| 06:00.19 | roh | Sup3rkiddo you have to be more specific |
| 06:00.52 | Sup3rkiddo | roh, sorry lemme dig up a pastebin |
| 06:01.25 | Sup3rkiddo | http://pastebin.ca/578714 |
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| 06:02.39 | ciacon | Hi all. I have just run "make openmoko-devel-image"... At the end it says, that it says, that "Build was sucessful" thou it also tells me, that "Attempted builds: 293" were made.... is this normal?? |
| 06:03.34 | Sup3rkiddo | ciacon, yup |
| 06:03.42 | Guest009 | I have a minor question, will the New1973 eventually support a camera? |
| 06:03.42 | aloril | There is no camera included. With (battery) powered USB hub, you should be able to attach to (almost) any external camera. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Hardware for details on what is included. Also see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ |
| 06:04.47 | Guest009 | well that was well automated response but that still doesn't answer my question =) |
| 06:04.47 | aloril | Guest009: answer is unknown, maybe some future model |
| 06:05.13 | aloril | Guest009: GTA02 won't have camera because there won't be case mods for it |
| 06:05.30 | Guest009 | I see |
| 06:05.41 | aloril | Guest009: probably quite safe to say that not this year ;-) |
| 06:06.14 | Guest009 | gotcha |
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| 06:06.51 | aloril | hmm.. chip in GTA02 reportedly supports camera, so who knows if somebody else does case mod ;-) |
| 06:07.20 | ciacon | Sup3rkiddo: em... could you have a look?? http://pastebin.ca/580703 |
| 06:07.31 | roh | aloril does not help. the pins which do camera are not put onto a connector for space reasons |
| 06:08.23 | aloril | oh, that would be quite tricky mod then indeed ;-) |
| 06:08.32 | Guest009 | when there's a will there's a way |
| 06:09.43 | Sup3rkiddo | ciacon, this is unexpected...did you build the qemu? |
| 06:10.12 | aloril | Guest009: we should have news in less than week, but blurb about news talks only about news about GTA0[12] |
| 06:10.41 | ciacon | Sup3rkiddo: qemu is build to the specification I fould, linked on the Autobuild-wiki.... |
| 06:11.58 | Sup3rkiddo | ciacon, hmm...am not sure..sorry |
| 06:13.15 | ciacon | Sup3rkiddo: sorry... was talking about the openmokomakefile --> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Installation --> http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro |
| 06:13.37 | roh | ciacon which distro? |
| 06:13.58 | ciacon | roh: Ubuntu |
| 06:14.00 | roh | on debian/ubuntu: install netpbm |
| 06:14.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ]] [[Neo1973]] |
| 06:14.14 | aloril | Guest009: personally I would be surprised if no future model had camera |
| 06:15.15 | ciacon | roh: let's have a look... |
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| 06:16.32 | ciacon | roh: looks good =) |
| 06:19.30 | ciacon | roh: don't mean to ask a numb-dumb question, but Qemu is now running the image... but I don't have a clue, how to operathe the boot manager (power & aux) button.... |
| 06:20.41 | Sup3rkiddo | ciacon, press [space] |
| 06:21.08 | ciacon | ;-) |
| 06:21.17 | Sup3rkiddo | roh, heres the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/578714 |
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| 06:22.12 | ciacon | roh: and for future reference - whe aux is where? |
| 06:22.42 | Sup3rkiddo | ciacon, [enter] |
| 06:22.54 | ciacon | thanks =) |
| 06:22.58 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
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| 06:28.14 | fish_ | re |
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| 06:30.17 | roh | Sup3rkiddo i have no clue what your problem is. the selfbuilt image and qemu from svn just now work fine |
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| 06:31.15 | Sup3rkiddo | roh, oh...dang...the problem is going rounds on the mailing lists..am not the only one..will update my build just inm case |
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| 06:32.31 | roh | also update your qemu |
| 06:32.58 | Sup3rkiddo | roh, yup |
| 06:33.22 | roh | hm.. but here /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq is also set to 1024 |
| 06:34.10 | Sup3rkiddo | roh, is that a problem? i mean i have been living without that |
| 06:38.15 | roh | dunno if the timing stuff in qemu depends on it |
| 06:39.39 | roh | try if it goes away when you set it |
| 06:39.45 | Sup3rkiddo | ok.. |
| 06:40.31 | Sup3rkiddo | na..it didnt...am gonna update my build |
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| 06:51.28 | ciacon | should one really power down an qemu-image?? |
| 06:52.25 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2318 10/trunk/oe/packages/flite/flite_1.3.bb: oe/flite: fix bogus character spotted by roh. |
| 06:52.55 | roh | ciacon makes sense on the first start.. to get over 'calibrating' the display and some initial setups of packages |
| 06:53.40 | ciacon | dammn... space bar?? ;-) |
| 06:54.18 | roh | i mostly boot it once with make run-qemu and power it down via poweroff on the keyboard and afterwards just use make run-qemu-snapshop everytime i need the same image |
| 06:58.42 | ciacon | roh: em... I suppose the power-button is the space-bar, that I used earlyer... |
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| 07:23.55 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:27.42 | ciacon | g'mornin |
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| 07:36.30 | stefan_schmidt | *yawn* morning |
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| 07:58.11 | Hovy | does someone now when the wlan version of openmoko comes out? |
| 07:58.33 | mickey|fic | not soon |
| 08:00.04 | guaqua | hopefully Q4? |
| 08:00.17 | guaqua | probably 2008Q1 |
| 08:00.52 | Hovy | hmm, ok wlan is a kill criteria for me but I WANT THIS PHONE :) |
| 08:01.21 | mickey|fic | guessing conservatively i'd say more the latter one. it all boils down to how the next 3 months performance is |
| 08:01.23 | mickey|fic | :) |
| 08:02.03 | Hovy | hmm.. |
| 08:03.45 | Hovy | cul |
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| 08:13.20 | rwhitby | aloril: look 7 lines above this one ;-) |
| 08:13.39 | rwhitby | (for good counter intelligence) |
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| 08:19.37 | *** topic/#openmoko is OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Anyone can buy for $350 starting perhaps any week <> Mass market perhaps in 6 months or more. |
| 08:20.18 | aloril2 | rwhitby: thanks, I'll move a bit later today probability from first counter to 3rd counter |
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| 08:30.37 | TRIsoft | morning |
| 08:33.49 | schurig | Hovy: why is it a kill criteria, do you need VOIP? |
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| 08:40.17 | bedboi | hi there. |
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| 09:01.25 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2320 10/trunk/oe/ (10 files in 7 dirs): oe: remove outdated stuff, add more oe-sync marks |
| 09:01.41 | guaqua | the svn messages look a lot better now |
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| 09:01.50 | guaqua | as there actually is activity |
| 09:01.53 | mickey|fic | hehe |
| 09:01.54 | guaqua | and stuff is happening |
| 09:02.24 | mickey|fic | well, there has been a lot of stuff happening in the past weeks |
| 09:02.31 | mickey|fic | just only few code-related... |
| 09:02.51 | guaqua | yeah, no doubt about it :) |
| 09:11.23 | nox-Hand | counter |
| 09:11.23 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 3 days 01:24:18 (3.059±3.1 days) (1537;233) |
| 09:11.30 | nox-Hand | Haha |
| 09:11.35 | nox-Hand | 90% certain news in 3 days |
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| 09:13.16 | mickey|fic | hi hrw |
| 09:13.22 | hrw | hi |
| 09:16.07 | nox-Hand | Hi hrw |
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| 09:17.10 | Stephmw | hrw: whatcha doing here? get back to hacking! |
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| 09:21.40 | schurig | hrw: don't eat, code! |
| 09:30.58 | hrw | ;D |
| 09:34.05 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2321 10/trunk/oe/packages/ (6 files in 5 dirs): oe: add more oe-sync stamps |
| 09:38.42 | antenagora | counter |
| 09:38.42 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 3 days 01:10:39 (3.049±3.0 days) (1538;233) |
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| 09:49.45 | aloril2 | nox-Hand: 3+-3 ;-) (0..6) |
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| 10:05.59 | sixfeet | counter |
| 10:05.59 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 3 days 00:57:00 (3.040±3.0 days) (1539;233) |
| 10:07.59 | Elrond | aloril - About active attack: We do the active part on the chop. ;o) |
| 10:08.12 | Elrond | s/chop/chip |
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| 10:11.57 | zecke | mickey|fic: hey, could you let my message to framework-devel through? |
| 10:16.04 | mickey|fic | mmh, yeah, i'm trying. i don't have all passwords and stuff here |
| 10:16.26 | zecke | hehe :) |
| 10:17.02 | zecke | What annoys me about these stupid callbacks is that I had a discussion here about adding signals for added/removed/changed and the answer was "can be done later" |
| 10:17.14 | zecke | the API represents that attitude :} |
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| 10:18.37 | mickey|fic | heh |
| 10:19.54 | sixfeet | Elrond, me looks for an active shop ;) |
| 10:29.21 | zecke | mickey|fic: why is MokoBanner requiring xosd? can't this be in the private data? |
| 10:30.34 | mickey|fic | zecke: probably, yes. i guess i tried but for some reason it didn't work. please feel free to have a go |
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| 10:55.45 | zecke | mickey|fic: aeh, why do you have the xosd in the class? |
| 10:57.18 | zecke | mickey|fic: this basicly makes MokoBanner a singleton? is that what you want? |
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| 11:02.53 | mickey|fic | zecke: yep |
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| 11:03.54 | zecke | mickey|fic: I would propose to create moko_banner_get_instance() and not export the _new method |
| 11:05.06 | zecke | mickey|fic: http://rafb.net/p/IIc0z699.html |
| 11:05.38 | mickey|fic | what is the benefit? |
| 11:06.46 | zecke | mickey|fic: for the patch or the get_instance? |
| 11:06.56 | zecke | mickey|fic: patch, not hardcode X11 in the API |
| 11:07.15 | zecke | mickey|fic: get_instance, well it is some way to make it obvious it is a singleton? |
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| 11:08.34 | mickey|fic | zecke: ok, please go ahead. |
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| 11:11.24 | zecke | mickey|fic: okay, I will grab some food and then commit or send a patch? |
| 11:11.33 | mickey|fic | feel free to commit |
| 11:11.36 | mickey|fic | bon appetit |
| 11:15.40 | florian | hi all |
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| 11:16.35 | hrw | hi [g2] |
| 11:16.44 | [g2] | hrw: hey! :) |
| 11:17.01 | [g2] | how's openmoko ? |
| 11:17.25 | hrw | I am not a proper man to answer |
| 11:17.57 | [g2] | I meant how is openmoko for you ? You've got a phone right ? |
| 11:20.09 | hrw | I have two phones - bv3 and bv4 |
| 11:20.20 | hrw | bv3 runs poky, bv4 runs openmoko |
| 11:20.29 | hrw | both are off for ~week |
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| 11:20.52 | grzywacz | Hello everyone. |
| 11:21.06 | grzywacz | Is anyone with knowledge about GSM around? 8) |
| 11:22.22 | hrw | grzywacz: depends |
| 11:23.27 | grzywacz | hrw, I need someone who knows about SMS', specifically about structure of Status Report messages. I'm having troubles finding out what's the meaning of "accept time" field. :) |
| 11:23.44 | grzywacz | Like, what time exactly this is. |
| 11:24.07 | grzywacz | I know it is specified somewhere, but couldn't find the right doc. :S |
| 11:24.50 | hrw | tried ETSI? |
| 11:25.17 | grzywacz | Yes. |
| 11:25.34 | grzywacz | Thought it would be GTS 03.40, but uhm, no. It's not there. |
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| 11:27.54 | hrw | I did not read that part yet |
| 11:28.29 | grzywacz | Ok. |
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| 11:34.44 | grzywacz | Hm. Actually this question might have been stupid. Nvm. :) |
| 11:36.20 | [g2] | hrw: it's nice seeing you. I was just dropping by for a minute to see how things are going. THX. |
| 11:37.42 | hrw | [g2]: how things goes on your side? |
| 11:42.09 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone happen to know of actual progress in non-contact data devices? AIUI, both SD and bluetooth newer standards have specs for it. Is anyone at all close to hardware? |
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| 12:28.42 | kiney_ | counter |
| 12:28.43 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (75% for P1<=2007-07-07) 90% for *news* in 2 days 23:45:38 (2.990±3.0 days) (1540;233) |
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| 12:37.51 | _llll_ | haha, 90% for news |
| 12:37.56 | _llll_ | slim pickins |
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| 12:39.46 | Elrond | Good afternoon people. |
| 12:41.01 | woglinde | hi elrond |
| 12:41.22 | pH5 | hi |
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| 12:49.28 | Elrond | pH5 - Any news? (I just updated the wiki a little) |
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| 12:53.52 | pH5 | Elrond: good start with the wiki - we should go away from the 'packet type' some more, though. and make some experiments with the 0x2-flagged packets. I didn't play with it yet, so no news. |
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| 12:57.11 | Elrond | pH5 - Ahh :-) |
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| 12:57.29 | Elrond | pH5 - When I get home, I'm grepping your cold2.log for 0x2 flag. |
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| 13:01.20 | pH5 | Elrond: the only ones I see are those flagged 0x6 (writes starting at 0x05 and reads starting from 0x9d-0x9f) |
| 13:01.32 | pH5 | for channels 1-8 |
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| 13:08.11 | hrw | Elrond, pH5: what you hack? |
| 13:08.42 | pH5 | Elrond: in channel 0x10, the bit 0x2000 seems to enable the counter, writing bit 0x4 seems to reset it. not sure what is 0x40 yet. (from the three-word write at 0x08-0x10) |
| 13:08.46 | pH5 | hrw: hammerhead |
| 13:09.08 | pH5 | s/channel 0x10/channel 0, register 0x10/ |
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| 13:11.53 | hrw | ah |
| 13:12.44 | Elrond | pH5 - Wait... is that 4byte write at 0x08 flagged 0x4?! |
| 13:13.18 | pH5 | hrw: the serial protocol is basically just a way to peek and poke the different internal registers, so we're doing that (a lot) |
| 13:13.19 | Elrond | s/4byte/three word/ |
| 13:13.24 | pH5 | Elrond: my bad, it's 0x08 |
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| 13:13.51 | Elrond | pH5 - Register 0x8 is a bitmask, with triggers. |
| 13:13.59 | pH5 | (flagged 0x0 or 0x8 here - no idea what the difference is) |
| 13:14.03 | Elrond | pH5 - See my channels_{arm,fire} for one bit's meaning. |
| 13:14.17 | pH5 | let me try that again |
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| 13:14.24 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2323 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 13:14.24 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-06-21 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 13:14.24 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Don't require X11 in the OpenMoko API. Make the usage of |
| 13:14.24 | CIA-24 | openmoko: xosd a private implementation detail. |
| 13:14.24 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Convert MokoBanner to a singleton hopefully similiar to the ones |
| 13:14.28 | CIA-24 | openmoko: in Gtk+. |
| 13:14.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-banner.c: Make it a true singleton |
| 13:15.44 | pH5 | 0x2000 is the "counter running" bit, 0x4 is the "counter reset" |
| 13:16.13 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: do you happen to be present? |
| 13:16.16 | pH5 | if I write 0x4 to 0x08, nothing happens to the counter, but if I write 0x2004, it starts running from 0 |
| 13:16.23 | Elrond | So unsetting 0x2000 will stop the clock for some time? |
| 13:16.27 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: I may not commit to examples, could you commit http://rafb.net/p/zjzLa026.html? |
| 13:17.25 | pH5 | Elrond: yes |
| 13:17.43 | pH5 | if I send 0x2004 0x2000 0x0000 in sequence, I get a stopped counter at 1 |
| 13:18.35 | Elrond | pH5 - I guess, 0x4 needs an edge for resetting. |
| 13:19.46 | pH5 | Elrond: yes, when you write 0x2004 and read the register back, it already contains 0x2000 |
| 13:20.25 | Elrond | Huh. |
| 13:20.31 | Elrond | So another 0x2004 will reset it again? |
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| 13:23.44 | pH5 | Elrond: yes, just sending 0x2004 always makes it start from 0 again |
| 13:24.29 | Elrond | pH5 - Is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hammerhead_protocol#SEND_Register.2FPacket_08 correct? |
| 13:24.46 | pH5 | actually, 0x4 only resets the counter if it is already running |
| 13:25.31 | pH5 | sending 0000 0004 2000 just stops counter, and then continues at the same value |
| 13:26.23 | Elrond | Strange. |
| 13:26.36 | [g2] | hrw: pretty good on my end thanks |
| 13:26.45 | koen | hey [g2] |
| 13:27.10 | [g2] | koen: :) |
| 13:27.16 | [g2] | hi! |
| 13:27.22 | Elrond | pH5 - Okay, updated wiki. |
| 13:27.50 | pH5 | looks good |
| 13:28.32 | pH5 | Elrond: we know more bits, right. isn't 0x4000 the measurement trigger? |
| 13:31.21 | Elrond | pH5 - Do you have my paste number from yesterday handy? |
| 13:31.39 | SpeedEvil | 22:59 <Elrond> pH5 - http://en.pastebin.ca/579924 |
| 13:31.42 | SpeedEvil | that one? |
| 13:32.03 | pH5 | SpeedEvil: very good, thanks |
| 13:32.13 | koen | unhexstr? |
| 13:32.26 | Elrond | Yeah. |
| 13:33.24 | Elrond | pH5 - So that's 0x4000, right? |
| 13:33.45 | pH5 | Elrond: exactly. now what is 0x40? |
| 13:34.15 | Elrond | I have no idea. |
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| 13:37.05 | Elrond | koen - Convert "ff 00" to \xff\x00. This is just convenience, so I can paste strings stragiht from dumps. ;o) |
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| 14:05.04 | Sup3rkiddo | guys, http://pastebin.ca/581339, segfaults? tried updating qemu as well as my tree...been getting this since yesterday. |
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| 14:14.57 | pH5 | Elrond: do I need all of the channel 0 setup to get data out of the setup/arm/fire sequence on channel 1? |
| 14:15.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hammerhead_protocol]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 14:32.38 | dennismueller | hi there. does someone know where i can buy the openmoko phone in germany? or is it not finished yet? |
| 14:32.39 | aloril | dennismueller: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 14:34.46 | dennismueller | i have actually checked the faq, but i did not found the current developmentstatus of the project |
| 14:35.25 | dennismueller | is there a releasedate when i can buy it? |
| 14:36.23 | mickey|fic | not yet. i think there will be an announcement very soon |
| 14:36.54 | zecke | mickey|fic: ah hey |
| 14:37.08 | zecke | mickey|fic: http://rafb.net/p/KsJONb58.html compiling mokoui without warnings |
| 14:37.16 | zecke | mickey|fic: and I don't have commit access to examples |
| 14:37.44 | dennismueller | hi ;-). iphone is released soon and i think about buying a neo with openmoko instead of a iphone. |
| 14:37.58 | dennismueller | i love the opportunites |
| 14:38.01 | zecke | mickey|fic: http://rafb.net/p/EcJ8Ae78.html |
| 14:38.46 | dennismueller | ive listend to the chaosradio podcast about open moko. what you open moko guys do is very great ! |
| 14:39.53 | dennismueller | are there any more screenshots or videos of the GUI and the Phone available online? |
| 14:42.36 | mickey|fic | there are some presentations at videos.google and our wiki contains lots of screenies |
| 14:42.53 | mickey|fic | zecke: can i just give you access and you commit? |
| 14:43.17 | dennismueller | the i will search in the wiki. thx for help |
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| 14:44.18 | mickey|fic | zecke: hmm you should have access to everything |
| 14:44.23 | mickey|fic | zecke: did you checkout w/ https? |
| 14:45.08 | zecke | mickey|fic: let me svn switch and check... |
| 14:45.35 | zecke | mickey|fic: it would be nice if you could review the warning changes, moko_debug is mean (in regard to c99) |
| 14:46.01 | mickey|fic | i know, but i couldn't get it to do what i want in any other way |
| 14:47.14 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2324 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/examples/openmoko-stylus-demo/ (ChangeLog src/demo-main.c): |
| 14:47.14 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-06-21 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 14:47.14 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Update the usage of MokoBanner to use moko_banner_get_instance |
| 14:47.14 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * src/demo-main.c: |
| 14:47.15 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (cb_searchbox_invisible): |
| 14:47.21 | zecke | :} |
| 14:47.43 | mickey|fic | yay |
| 14:47.46 | zecke | mickey|fic: this is why I turn off DEBUG_THIS_FILE in some files |
| 14:49.02 | mickey|fic | yep |
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| 15:01.22 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2325 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (20 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:01.22 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-06-21 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 15:01.22 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Remove custom parent_class handling as this is done by |
| 15:01.22 | CIA-24 | openmoko: the DEFINE_TYPE macro. |
| 15:01.24 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Compile with -Wall -Werror by adding casts, removing inner |
| 15:01.26 | CIA-24 | openmoko: functions, adjusting signed-nes, returning values. |
| 15:01.28 | CIA-24 | openmoko: The most intrusive change is to cb_size_allocate which makes this |
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| 15:15.35 | PBeck | hey florian |
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| 16:39.02 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 617 has been created by autobuild-reports(AT)openmoko.org |
| 16:39.03 | cdbot2 | * * openocd-native-0.0+svn20070701-r0-do_patch |
| 16:39.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=617 |
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| 16:40.24 | paulproteus | !counter |
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| 16:42.11 | dietricha | paulproteus: no ! needed :) |
| 16:42.34 | dietricha | wow, now we're predicting when new news will show up |
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| 17:01.44 | LuitvD | heh, news-counter |
| 17:01.48 | LuitvD | jippee |
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| 17:09.42 | don-o | LuitvD: ha |
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| 17:18.54 | paulproteus | LuitvD, I know what you mean.... |
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| 17:28.07 | zecke | Dodji: hey :) |
| 17:28.15 | zecke | Dodji: do you have a second? |
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| 18:07.22 | Tetraden | does anyone know the weight, the package with a neo1973 will have? UPS wants this for calculating fees. |
| 18:08.08 | Tetraden | and exact addresses where the package is sent from and where it arrives -_- |
| 18:08.39 | Tetraden | ok, can anyone tell me the shipping costs to germany? without vat & co. |
| 18:09.45 | ph|ber | is the phone ready!!?? |
| 18:10.12 | SpeedEvil | Not yet. |
| 18:10.13 | mjr | no, nobody can tell you |
| 18:10.23 | Tetraden | but it is in the starting blocks :) |
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| 18:11.17 | Tetraden | but that doesn't matter for the shipping costs from taiwan to germany |
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| 18:13.10 | zecke | don't use UPS |
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| 18:13.41 | Tetraden | so what then? |
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| 18:14.35 | Elrond | Can we choose the shipping company? |
| 18:15.23 | Tetraden | I don't know any other companys than "German Post", "DHL", "Hermes" and "UPS" |
| 18:16.16 | cjb | since they're shipping worldwide, it almost has to be one of UPS or Fedex. |
| 18:17.13 | Tetraden | DHL is international too |
| 18:17.19 | koen | they used both DHL and UPS in the past |
| 18:17.44 | koen | I'd prefer DHL so I don't have to pay VAT twice and the usual UPS extortion fees |
| 18:18.00 | Tetraden | ah |
| 18:18.04 | Tetraden | fine |
| 18:18.36 | koen | the neo1973 delivered with dhl was really free, the one with UPS was like 75 euros |
| 18:19.03 | Tetraden | what do you mean with really free? |
| 18:19.15 | koen | €0.00 |
| 18:19.20 | Tetraden | there have to be any shipping costs... |
| 18:19.34 | koen | no, FIC payed those |
| 18:19.42 | Tetraden | lol |
| 18:20.06 | Tetraden | i don't think they do it to everyone ^^ |
| 18:21.20 | noidd | DHL both times to the USA |
| 18:25.17 | Tetraden | wow, DHL seems to do it for 13€ + (f***ing) vat |
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| 18:40.48 | barmeier | hi |
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| 19:49.00 | zecke | man MokoJournal annoys me |
| 19:53.48 | nox-Hand | aloril2: Huh? |
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| 20:14.08 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Dialer]] |
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| 20:19.46 | Imitation | I just heard that the final Neo will have accelerometers, a better cpu and hardware graphics! That's amazing! But will 350$ still be a realistic price§ |
| 20:20.20 | Rince | Imitation: you will know when an official announcement will be on the announce-mailinglist. Like any other person. |
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| 20:23.12 | Elrond | Imitation - Not even the hardware is final yet. |
| 20:24.07 | Elrond | BTW: Is there some u-boot channel? |
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| 20:45.13 | *** topic/#openmoko by _sj_ -> OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Anyone can buy for $350, starting perhaps any week <> Mass market perhaps in 6 months or more... |
| 20:46.01 | Rince | hi sj ;) |
| 20:46.18 | Rince | isn't it boring to repeat known facts in the topic? *run and hide* |
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| 21:11.05 | zecke | src/moko-journal.c | 719 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++------------------------ |
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| 21:13.17 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: heh, you make a complete rewrite? |
| 21:14.09 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: just made it a GObject |
| 21:14.46 | zecke | my rants on framework-devel are in the moderation queue, I need to get off my lazy ass and ask gmane to mirror that list as well so I can easily post |
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| 21:15.07 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: I already read them on framework-devel ml... |
| 21:16.04 | zecke | oh they are through? |
| 21:16.47 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: I read two mails from you there. So these two are through. |
| 21:17.05 | roh | stefan_schmidt youre talking about the overlay? so the normal source stays in svn? |
| 21:17.19 | zecke | woglinde: use that time to remember your old password? |
| 21:17.28 | stefan_schmidt | roh: OE stuff in branch normal sources in svn |
| 21:17.37 | woglinde | zecke no I wait to generate new key |
| 21:17.39 | roh | ah.. ok |
| 21:18.46 | stefan_schmidt | roh: We could also have one git tree for kernel, one for uboot and perhaps bazar for some apps? ;) |
| 21:18.59 | woglinde | mercury |
| 21:19.04 | stefan_schmidt | indeed |
| 21:19.34 | stefan_schmidt | I also heard CVS is back again. *caught* |
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| 21:19.48 | roh | stefan_schmidt i'm just lucky when i do not need to use mtn too much since its the worst of all distributed spource control systems from what ive expoerienced |
| 21:20.25 | roh | urgh.. and i need to wake up properly.. |
| 21:20.26 | stefan_schmidt | roh: Which have sou used? As all it has it bad and his good sites. |
| 21:20.53 | stefan_schmidt | roh: But yeah, not much people will need to use mtn. For most svn is fine. |
| 21:20.59 | roh | stefan_schmidt git, mtn, hg, and i think bzr i needed somewhere also |
| 21:21.29 | Tetraden | hmm, now I'm confused... Will WiFi be awailable in Phase 1 or in Phase1+? |
| 21:21.52 | zecke | woglinde: mercurial? |
| 21:21.56 | stefan_schmidt | roh: So all big ones. But they all have problems if you use them heavily, no? |
| 21:22.13 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: Mass market version. |
| 21:22.14 | roh | stefan_schmidt i like svn where its enough. for everything distributed i really like hg since its stable (no 'use version foo of git for this repo) and has no version conflicts like mtn and its slow and shitty database |
| 21:22.27 | zecke | roh: show me the distribution where bzr selftest will not throw an exception and I might use it ;) |
| 21:22.50 | roh | stefan_schmidt the shure have all. hg was most pleasant to me and has a nice learning curve if you know svn. thats why i like it |
| 21:22.50 | zecke | roh: so you don't mind typing hg recover on the server every now and then? |
| 21:22.52 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: It's your beloved python... ;) |
| 21:23.17 | stefan_schmidt | roh: Never used hg until now. Perhaps worth a look. |
| 21:23.35 | Tetraden | So it may be in Phase1+. Its because if I buy one, I want to really use it too and I really need WiFi then. |
| 21:23.43 | roh | zecke never has that problem. i use hg to track the linuxtv drivers which works well it seems |
| 21:24.07 | roh | zecke ok., ive also never ran a hg server for other people |
| 21:24.08 | woglinde | roh dito |
| 21:24.17 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: If you buy for using instead of developing you should wait for mass market anyway. |
| 21:24.37 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: hg is great, it is like git but written in python. when I evaluated it for OE a simple test failed. hg push to a server and CTRL+C. This required a manual run of hg recover on the server |
| 21:27.05 | zecke | my current favorite is git, and git-svn just rocks |
| 21:27.28 | roh | zecke: git is nice, but the version-conflicts make it unbearable for user-contact |
| 21:27.34 | Tetraden | I would really like to do some development work. For example making the GTK barrier free for people with debilitated hands. (My best friend has this Problem) But after this I still want to use the phone. 350$ just for programming a GUI would be stupid. |
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| 21:27.54 | woglinde | use the emulator |
| 21:28.06 | roh | zecke also the learning curve is quite steep it you 'just want to check out' or 'make a simple diff' and know svn/cvs only |
| 21:28.27 | zecke | roh: it is a lot better in git-1.5 (resolving and handling conflicts) |
| 21:28.48 | Tetraden | yes, and I let him touch my computer screen to test if it fits to him... |
| 21:28.56 | zecke | e.g. I use git-svn to track webkit as svn is just too slow |
| 21:29.11 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: I see. For wifi it is still the next version then. |
| 21:29.13 | zecke | I tried to use bzr before but it fails to import svn |
| 21:29.40 | roh | zecke heh... will see if they have a userinterface till then |
| 21:29.55 | Tetraden | Okay, so I will wait for the Version with WiFi. |
| 21:29.59 | stefan_schmidt | roh: user what? ;) |
| 21:30.21 | roh | stefan_schmidt *g* |
| 21:31.18 | Tetraden | lol, interface... to inter a face XD |
| 21:32.11 | Tetraden | ok, my english is to bad for word jokes... |
| 21:34.34 | Elrond | zecke - Heck, I love git. :-) |
| 21:34.37 | Tetraden | woah, I simply have to say it loud once: The Neo looks soo sexy! *fap* *fap* *fap* XD |
| 21:34.41 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Why does your apple mail mean that a .patch file is an octet stream mime type? I thought that are win only problems. *g* |
| 21:34.42 | woglinde | hi elrond |
| 21:34.57 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: It even feels sexy. :) |
| 21:35.23 | Tetraden | arrrrg, you're evil :P |
| 21:35.30 | roh | stefan_schmidt nope.. apple mail is also known for breaking patches... and threading ;) |
| 21:36.01 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: I might checked "Windows compliant" when attaching the mail |
| 21:36.20 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Good idea when sending to me and mickey. :) |
| 21:37.24 | zecke | well, don't speak for mickey :) |
| 21:37.49 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: ah, right. There was something dark and ugly in his mail usage :) |
| 21:38.30 | Tetraden | hmm, is there any sort of list, on which I can see where the owners of the actually developed devices aproximately live? For visiting them and take a closer look? |
| 21:38.55 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: Not yet. From where are you? |
| 21:39.05 | Tetraden | Magdeburg in Germany |
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| 21:39.29 | Tetraden | in saxony-anhalt |
| 21:39.35 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: Germany is good. Highest neo population behind Taiwan. :) |
| 21:39.42 | Tetraden | hehe |
| 21:40.00 | Elrond | *G* |
| 21:40.11 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: We can offer FFM, Berlin, Braunschweig, Würzburg and some more. |
| 21:40.21 | stefan_schmidt | Ah Darmstadt |
| 21:40.27 | Tetraden | Braunschweig is not far from here |
| 21:40.44 | Tetraden | but where do you know it from now? |
| 21:40.55 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: So you can visit me, alphaone and Shoragan. |
| 21:41.04 | zecke | Braunschweig and Berlin have the highest neo population |
| 21:41.19 | woglinde | zecke really? |
| 21:41.24 | woglinde | hm ah yes |
| 21:41.26 | woglinde | harald |
| 21:41.29 | zecke | hehe |
| 21:41.39 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: If we calculate the people living in the city Braunschweig is hopefully higher. But you guys have Harald. :) |
| 21:42.02 | Tetraden | hmm, braunschweig... i will start studiing there in september |
| 21:42.06 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: Where do I know waht from? |
| 21:42.20 | Tetraden | where the owners live |
| 21:42.29 | woglinde | hehe |
| 21:42.32 | woglinde | we are here |
| 21:42.37 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: Welcome at technical university braunschweig. First uni with two OpenMoko devs subscribed. :) |
| 21:42.38 | Tetraden | XD |
| 21:42.53 | Tetraden | technical university? |
| 21:42.57 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: Most of the P0 devs hanging out here. |
| 21:43.22 | Tetraden | is it how fachhochschule is called in english? |
| 21:43.35 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: Ah, fh. |
| 21:43.41 | Tetraden | yes |
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| 21:44.00 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: I thought you mean the university |
| 21:44.18 | Tetraden | there is a university too in braunschweig? |
| 21:44.54 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: I would say there is a fh, too. :) http://www.tu-braunschweig.de/ |
| 21:46.10 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: And more important: http://www.lug-bs.de/ |
| 21:46.36 | Tetraden | ahaha :) |
| 21:47.42 | Tetraden | hmm, anyhow im happy to see no interesting study course at the tu page |
| 21:48.09 | stefan_schmidt | We have cs, that's enough for me. *g* |
| 21:48.29 | Tetraden | it would be a pitty not to be allowed to study there for me (i dont have the degree) |
| 21:48.59 | Tetraden | cs? |
| 21:49.11 | stefan_schmidt | cimputer science aka informatik |
| 21:49.17 | Tetraden | ah |
| 21:49.25 | stefan_schmidt | s/cimp/comp/ |
| 21:49.43 | Tetraden | no, i will study network computing |
| 21:50.56 | Tetraden | its still cs but some kind of specialized |
| 21:51.31 | stefan_schmidt | As we do after undergrad |
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| 21:51.56 | Tetraden | omg... im stupid -_- |
| 21:52.18 | stefan_schmidt | ? |
| 21:53.10 | Tetraden | dont laugh... i muddled up braunschweig and brandenburg... again -_- *getting dark red* |
| 21:53.40 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: heh, that clarify some things. :) |
| 21:54.42 | Tetraden | same length, both bra* ... and i have friends in both citys... |
| 21:54.58 | stefan_schmidt | BTW, today my AVR32NGW100 arrived and I can only agree to koen. The boxes are neat. :) |
| 21:55.06 | Tetraden | and i mistake it again, and again, and again... |
| 21:55.11 | alphaone | but not much in it |
| 21:55.24 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Yours arrived, too? |
| 21:55.30 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: Yeah |
| 21:55.36 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - boxes? Take pic! ;o) |
| 21:55.56 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Luckily I found a fitting power supply for it. Linksys WRT54 one. :) |
| 21:56.08 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2326 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-banner.h): |
| 21:56.08 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 2007-06-21 Holger Hans Peter Freyther <zecke@selfish.org> |
| 21:56.08 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Match the declaration with the definition |
| 21:56.08 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-banner.h: show_hide -> hide |
| 21:56.08 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: koen has already some. |
| 21:57.20 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Ahh, will look soon. |
| 21:57.55 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: http://flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/535817078/in/photostream/ |
| 21:57.57 | Tetraden | who wants to donate me a Neo? *gg* |
| 21:58.01 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: have you tried your thinkpad's power supply as power source? |
| 21:58.02 | alphaone | Elrond: koen took some already |
| 21:58.02 | alphaone | Elrond: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/avr32-network-gateway-reference-design |
| 21:59.21 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: No, just use the wrt54 one. |
| 22:02.36 | Tetraden | -_- I'm getting headache of talking english... lets talk in #openmoko.de ... :) |
| 22:02.43 | CoreDump|home | hi+ |
| 22:03.24 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: nah. You need english for your studies anyway. :) |
| 22:03.31 | woglinde_ | right |
| 22:03.38 | woglinde_ | without english no papers |
| 22:04.25 | Tetraden | shure. and it is no problem for me to talk english. but now i know im talking english to germans... that feels strange |
| 22:04.45 | stefan_schmidt | Not only germans here... |
| 22:04.52 | Tetraden | i know |
| 22:04.57 | alphaone | damn flaky: Internet connection |
| 22:05.21 | Tetraden | otherwhise i'd already talk german *gg* |
| 22:05.33 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: huh, peer2peer filter cuts the uni down now. :) |
| 22:06.14 | Tetraden | lool |
| 22:06.28 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: Should we have told them that using such a filter for the 1Gb connection can cause troubles? ;) |
| 22:07.09 | Tetraden | a netadmin should know it by himself ;) |
| 22:07.56 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: It's just an internal datacenter joke. They don't use it on the big connection. |
| 22:07.56 | Tetraden | and if not... he will know |
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| 22:08.13 | Tetraden | ah, okay |
| 22:08.22 | alphaone | good night |
| 22:08.37 | stefan_schmidt | night alphaone |
| 22:08.38 | Tetraden | it would be some kind of funny :) |
| 22:08.51 | Tetraden | gn8 alphaone |
| 22:09.19 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: Oh, we already had funny times with cisco routers with 100% load |
| 22:09.29 | Tetraden | hehe |
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| 22:10.24 | Tetraden | as long as you are not the one who screwed it or have to fix it :) |
| 22:10.53 | stefan_schmidt | But buy bigger machines, switch to 10Gb backbone and kick some access rules makes live better again. |
| 22:11.10 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: No, only the guy who can laugh. :) |
| 22:11.17 | Tetraden | :D |
| 22:13.19 | Tetraden | lol, the polytechnic in magdeburg seems to have no admins. i never seen one and the only ones who seem to work on the net are the "cs" students |
| 22:14.07 | Tetraden | in fact... there is no such course |
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| 22:16.04 | zecke | yeah the python binding seem to work again |
| 22:17.19 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: congrats |
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| 22:19.08 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: btw, you go to ccc camp? We guys will hangout at the GSM village. *g* |
| 22:19.47 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: I still hope you have a place in your tent ;) |
| 22:20.44 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: I think so. We bring a 30m^2 tentz for hacking, a caravan and some sleep tents with us. You know, I don't like doing things only the half way. :) |
| 22:21.16 | Tetraden | so you like the 3/4 way or what? |
| 22:21.49 | stefan_schmidt | And for the real fun alphaone will properly bring a software defined radio board for gnu-radio. Its the GSM village in the end. ;) |
| 22:22.26 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: Most of the time I like to do it complete. :) |
| 22:22.34 | Tetraden | :) |
| 22:23.06 | Tetraden | how about building a wooden house? |
| 22:23.51 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: nah, it's already on an old military airport with big halls. |
| 22:23.52 | woglinde_ | zecke I have a tent |
| 22:23.59 | roh | stefan_schmidt we also have a gnuradio-usrp at the cccb :) |
| 22:23.59 | woglinde_ | you can borrow it |
| 22:24.18 | zecke | woglinde_: sleeping is overrated anyway |
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| 22:24.23 | Tetraden | lol :D lets build one into one of the hangars |
| 22:24.30 | stefan_schmidt | roh: Bring it to the camp. It's time for a free GSM stack. *cought* |
| 22:24.38 | roh | lol |
| 22:24.38 | woglinde_ | zecke dontforget to bring the bluetooth devices |
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| 22:25.19 | stefan_schmidt | roh: You played with the usrp already? |
| 22:25.27 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: right. We could skip GSM and go right to UMTS? |
| 22:25.51 | roh | stefan_schmidt with the usrÃp yes.. but i couldnt quite make frieds with the python stuff |
| 22:26.00 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: That adds the fun of more patents, but yes. :) |
| 22:26.01 | roh | hardware is nice, software still far from what i want |
| 22:26.20 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: what is this "patents" you are talking about? I have never heard about such a thing |
| 22:26.36 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: heh |
| 22:26.39 | Tetraden | lol |
| 22:27.21 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: btw, alphaone bought a lab power supply from the benq auction. Hope it is not one from gmit. :) |
| 22:27.29 | Tetraden | It is an honor to get copied by taiwanese companys :D |
| 22:27.33 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: lol |
| 22:27.53 | roh | i want some app like r&s has on their eavesdropping equipment. dragndrop building blocks with fingers/mouse and connect them with rubberwires. and you can just display every signal in spectral, like a oscilloscope, etc.. want a gsmk-demod? drop one in, put a hex display behind |
| 22:28.05 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: you know that TI1-10 (the labs at BenQ) were founded in the late 90's to do SDR research? |
| 22:28.46 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: SDR? |
| 22:28.57 | zecke | software defined radio? |
| 22:28.59 | stefan_schmidt | roh: So in the end you are a GUI guy? ;) |
| 22:29.05 | zecke | hehe |
| 22:29.06 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: ah, heh |
| 22:29.08 | zecke | that is mean |
| 22:29.30 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: No, I was not aware of it. |
| 22:29.59 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: We also had a look at all the GSM equipment. If it would have been cheaper... |
| 22:30.02 | roh | stefan_schmidt when it comes working with signals and measuring stuff, yes. i worked with some professional equipment for radio and rf measurements before as a tv mechanic and so i know whats possible to ease the workflow and give meaningful readings |
| 22:30.04 | woglinde | hm 120 euros |
| 22:30.15 | woglinde | and unhappy wife |
| 22:30.26 | woglinde | dont know if its worth |
| 22:30.27 | stefan_schmidt | woglinde: context? |
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| 22:30.32 | woglinde | camp |
| 22:30.34 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: if you have a look at the equipment one can understand why they lost a million euro a day |
| 22:30.35 | stefan_schmidt | ah |
| 22:30.42 | roh | stefan_schmidt atm the gnuradio stuff cannot even give me a decent near realtime spectrum diagram which is not garbled beyond usage.. and thats sad |
| 22:30.59 | zecke | woglinde: if money is the only problem... |
| 22:31.08 | stefan_schmidt | roh: Ok, makes sense now. |
| 22:31.29 | woglinde | zecke wife kid |
| 22:31.42 | zecke | woglinde: there is a kindergarten, but tobi is too young, I know... |
| 22:32.02 | woglinde | yes |
| 22:32.20 | woglinde | it would be fun for him if he would be older |
| 22:32.31 | zecke | import openmokogsmd, gsm = openmokogsmd.GsmdConnection(), gsm.voice_call("number")... |
| 22:33.08 | stefan_schmidt | woglinde: So just drop by during a family day outside of berlin. Stop at camp, some chats, picnic and back home |
| 22:33.20 | woglinde | give me a car |
| 22:33.28 | woglinde | i could ask my brother |
| 22:33.31 | stefan_schmidt | hmm, good point |
| 22:33.45 | stefan_schmidt | You can come by plane. :) |
| 22:33.49 | woglinde | hehe |
| 22:33.49 | woglinde | yes |
| 22:34.04 | roh | woglinde youre married? congrats |
| 22:34.10 | woglinde | roh yes |
| 22:34.14 | woglinde | since last year |
| 22:34.50 | woglinde | hihi we could anger the wireless viallage |
| 22:35.00 | woglinde | with the bluetooth devices |
| 22:35.27 | roh | 2.4 ghz is dead anyways |
| 22:35.35 | zecke | woglinde: they will annoy themselves regardles of bluetooth or other stuff in the 2.4ghz area |
| 22:36.15 | Tetraden | WiFi rules |
| 22:36.23 | stefan_schmidt | But with our own UMTS cell... |
| 22:36.31 | zecke | night |
| 22:36.32 | Tetraden | *"wardriver" shirt has* |
| 22:36.47 | stefan_schmidt | Tetraden: Not a geek camp with 3000 people/notebooks |
| 22:36.52 | stefan_schmidt | night zecke |
| 22:37.21 | roh | we have i think 4 services in 2.4 ghz on the campsite: 802.11b/g, bluetooth, sputnik, and the olsr/batman-guys (freifunk) so... lots of fun |
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| 23:16.08 | aloril | (script) planet: Holger "zecke" Freyther: State of the Bindings http://zecke.blogspot.com/2007/06/state-of-bindings.html |
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