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| 00:27.45 | ColdFyre | anyone alive? |
| 00:28.26 | arw | me |
| 00:29.26 | ColdFyre | are there any cool irc clients for openmoko? |
| 00:29.33 | SpeedEvil | me |
| 00:29.46 | SpeedEvil | (alive, not a cool IRC client.) |
| 00:29.59 | SpeedEvil | Text entry is a huge issue. |
| 00:30.24 | ColdFyre | so no xchat clones |
| 00:30.32 | SpeedEvil | An external bluetooth keyboard of course can work. |
| 00:30.46 | ColdFyre | i sohuld get ambitious and make something |
| 00:31.05 | SpeedEvil | I suspect if I was going to be doing the IRC thing, I'd be using text mode clients, and an external keyb. |
| 00:31.07 | ColdFyre | SpeedEvil: my celly now has the onscreen kn |
| 00:31.16 | ColdFyre | i use it very often |
| 00:31.27 | ColdFyre | i have gotten very used to it, and cna use it fast |
| 00:31.31 | SpeedEvil | Onscreen keyboard sucks display size though. |
| 00:31.32 | SpeedEvil | kn? |
| 00:31.35 | ColdFyre | however; it's not easy whilst driving |
| 00:31.43 | ColdFyre | kn=kb |
| 00:31.51 | SpeedEvil | with stylus? |
| 00:31.53 | ColdFyre | yes |
| 00:32.12 | unknown_lamer | I wonder how well simulated t9 on a virtual phone pad would be |
| 00:32.16 | unknown_lamer | the lack of tactile feedback... |
| 00:32.30 | SpeedEvil | Well. Personally I'd support taking away driving licenses of people who even attempt that while driving. |
| 00:32.46 | unknown_lamer | what's wrong with sms while biking |
| 00:32.47 | SpeedEvil | But that's a seperate issue. |
| 00:33.16 | SpeedEvil | T9 can't be implemented legally by FIC |
| 00:33.25 | unknown_lamer | predictive text in general |
| 00:33.31 | SpeedEvil | Clones are of dubious legality. |
| 00:33.47 | SpeedEvil | There are other text entry methods people will play with |
| 00:33.51 | trix | speech recognition seems like it'd be more feasible |
| 00:34.06 | SpeedEvil | Speech recognition is not trivial. |
| 00:34.15 | SpeedEvil | Note the current state of linux speech recognition. |
| 00:34.23 | SpeedEvil | I.E. totally absent. |
| 00:34.42 | unknown_lamer | I wonder how well dasher would work |
| 00:34.42 | ColdFyre | mind reading devices |
| 00:34.48 | ColdFyre | think what you are going to text |
| 00:35.00 | SpeedEvil | Dasher is good only if you can stare at the device. |
| 00:35.09 | unknown_lamer | I messed around with it and got up to typing ever so faster than I could one handed when I broke my collarbone and couldn't move my right arm for a few weeks |
| 00:35.17 | SpeedEvil | It may be optimal in terms of bits input - but you need _lots_ of output. |
| 00:35.30 | ph|ber | whats up guys. |
| 00:35.39 | SpeedEvil | I can type reasonably fast one-handed. (and indeed am) |
| 00:35.53 | SpeedEvil | ph|ber: Still waiting. |
| 00:36.00 | ph|ber | for? |
| 00:36.13 | SpeedEvil | Christmas? |
| 00:36.17 | ph|ber | heh.. |
| 00:36.22 | SpeedEvil | I've forgotten what I'm waiting in this channel for. |
| 00:36.23 | ph|ber | on e28? yes |
| 00:36.28 | SpeedEvil | I know it was something once. |
| 00:36.59 | trix | i'd much prefer basic speech recognition even if it involved using one hand to correct the words as i speak them to having a ridiculously large on screen keyboard. didn't say it was trivial, just that it seems feasible. |
| 00:37.25 | SpeedEvil | 'seems feasible' - without showing code... |
| 00:37.30 | SpeedEvil | AI seems feasible. |
| 00:37.37 | trix | AI is feasible |
| 00:37.39 | ph|ber | http://www.geekarmy.com/babes/140-Baskets-Per-Minute.html |
| 00:37.40 | ph|ber | OMFG |
| 00:37.59 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, given the _total_ lack of linux speech recognition software, it seems to be hardish. |
| 00:38.20 | SpeedEvil | And therefore, you're probably going to have to put up actual funding in order to get a project started. |
| 00:39.11 | SpeedEvil | Or at least do a lot of social engineering to get one going. |
| 00:39.53 | ph|ber | you guys see the tphone? |
| 00:40.33 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: what about sphinx? I bet it could be adapted to understand the limited vocab needed to least control the phone |
| 00:41.19 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 00:41.34 | SpeedEvil | It seems to be not as bad as last time I looked - which admittedly was a while ago. |
| 00:41.41 | SpeedEvil | There are some apps. |
| 00:43.44 | SpeedEvil | And even some commercial stuff - http://www.lumenvox.com/products/speech_engine/index.aspx |
| 00:49.17 | SpeedEvil | What would be _really_really_really_ cool - that I might actually pay money for: |
| 00:49.28 | SpeedEvil | Automatic transcription of incoming phone calls. |
| 00:49.40 | SpeedEvil | And ability to search them. |
| 00:50.25 | sargas | the speech recongization would have to be calibrated not only for yourself, but for everyone u talk to too |
| 00:50.35 | SpeedEvil | Or speaker independant. |
| 00:50.38 | SpeedEvil | Which is hard. |
| 00:50.45 | SpeedEvil | And cutting edge. |
| 00:51.30 | sargas | probably hurt the battery quite a bit, instantly doing that and writing to flash drive....not a bad idea for voip apps |
| 00:54.57 | SpeedEvil | Well - you don't _have_ to do it online. |
| 00:55.07 | SpeedEvil | Storing the bare calls is quite possible. |
| 00:55.18 | SpeedEvil | Or only transcode them when plugged in. |
| 00:55.40 | SpeedEvil | (to the charger) |
| 00:58.19 | sargas | hmmm |
| 00:58.38 | sargas | wat about a way to turn on voice recording during a call, and it would go into some wave file? |
| 00:59.00 | SpeedEvil | It's trivial to do that, yes. |
| 00:59.07 | SpeedEvil | And voice transformations. |
| 00:59.28 | SpeedEvil | For example, someone has an annoyingly high voice, you pitch bend it down whenever their number calls. |
| 01:04.52 | sargas | can the audio device do stuff like that? |
| 01:05.03 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:05.05 | SpeedEvil | well - no |
| 01:05.10 | SpeedEvil | the CPU can though |
| 01:05.23 | SpeedEvil | the inbound and outbound audio are completely seperate both ways |
| 01:05.32 | SpeedEvil | and are routable through the CPU effectively |
| 01:11.40 | noidd | Coldfyre: did you have anything to do with annoying British Telecom about 8 years ago? |
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| 01:50.17 | mrcucumber | what's the command to get the link to the speculative news page |
| 01:51.09 | SpeedEvil | counter |
| 01:51.10 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1 <=2007-07-07) 30% for P1: a day 17:04:25 (1.711±1.7 days) (1512;232) |
| 01:51.29 | SpeedEvil | Basically - 1/2 way or so through a production run of 1000 |
| 01:51.34 | SpeedEvil | doing QA |
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| 02:08.18 | ColdFyre | noidd: not the same person |
| 02:08.54 | noidd | ok, thanks |
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| 02:14.36 | arw | see you |
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| 02:28.38 | daMaestro | counter? |
| 02:28.38 | aloril | "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1 <=2007-07-07) 30% for P1: a day 16:45:40 (1.698±1.7 days) (1513;232) |
| 02:28.39 | daMaestro | !!! |
| 02:28.44 | daMaestro | yessssssssssssss |
| 02:29.07 | _llll_ | ? |
| 02:29.08 | daMaestro | i did just spend my openmoko money on a new desktop... but maybe that is for the better |
| 02:29.57 | daMaestro | is the phase 1 device going to be a limited run? |
| 02:30.02 | daMaestro | or is it going to be based on demand? |
| 02:30.20 | SpeedEvil | demand |
| 02:30.25 | daMaestro | ok, good |
| 02:30.28 | SpeedEvil | 1K run in progress |
| 02:31.30 | daMaestro | i really just want a device with wifi support.. but if i'll get a discount on phase1+ i'll work on a few apps till the release |
| 02:32.04 | xl0 | Will they ever release it... |
| 02:32.09 | daMaestro | tmobile (in the US at least) allows free calls over wifi, so i'll just get a prepay account and use it mostly on wifi |
| 02:32.59 | daMaestro | does anyone know what projects (if any) have started on a media manager? |
| 02:34.05 | daMaestro | nice.. a myth remote.. that is hot |
| 02:34.54 | SpeedEvil | daMaestro: you do know no wifi on P1? |
| 02:35.02 | daMaestro | yeah.. i know |
| 02:35.15 | daMaestro | that does not mean i don't want to dev on it for a while |
| 02:35.44 | daMaestro | i want to get right on doing an open media player |
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| 02:35.51 | daMaestro | player/manager |
| 02:37.23 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, where can i find what gtk versions are provided? |
| 02:38.23 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMokoFramework seems to be what i was looking for |
| 02:38.27 | _llll_ | is there an easy way to try the software in qemu? |
| 02:38.47 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 02:39.08 | SpeedEvil | mis-stab-channel |
| 02:40.01 | daMaestro | _llll_, i think so.. yes |
| 02:40.18 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, do you know how easy it will be to get python onto the device? |
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| 02:40.58 | daMaestro | SpeedEvil, i am going to give it my best shot to port http://www.listen-project.org/ to the openmoko |
| 02:41.38 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I'm mostl;y asleep |
| 02:41.46 | SpeedEvil | 4AM here |
| 02:41.50 | SpeedEvil | '(UK) |
| 02:42.10 | daMaestro | ahh sorry |
| 02:42.12 | daMaestro | ;-) |
| 02:42.23 | SpeedEvil | there was someone working on a media player I think |
| 02:42.34 | SpeedEvil | look on the media player page |
| 02:42.54 | SpeedEvil | and its talk page |
| 02:43.35 | daMaestro | i also just read about the limited number of widgets in the provided gtk stack |
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| 02:45.36 | daMaestro | hmm hopefully our goals will meet up... (i just read the limited info on the media player page) |
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| 02:47.34 | daMaestro | ahhh http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Music_Player looks like there is work being done |
| 02:47.49 | daMaestro | nice. i will try to hack on that code.. (do stuff like album art loading, etc) |
| 02:53.32 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu that was hard... lol <-- _llll_ |
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| 04:59.34 | csp | wow, so many people in this room ;) |
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| 06:47.28 | Any_Key | morning all |
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| 07:10.50 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:11.10 | Any_Key | hullo |
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| 07:55.40 | daxxar | aloril: counter? |
| 07:55.41 | aloril | "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (70% for P1 <=2007-07-07) 30% for P1: a day 14:02:09 (1.585±1.6 days) (1514;232) |
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| 07:58.16 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 08:11.00 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Dialer]] |
| 08:11.04 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for |
| 08:11.04 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for |
| 08:11.06 | aloril | counter |
| 08:11.06 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 13:54:27 (9.579±9.6 days) (1514;231) |
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| 08:14.13 | LuitvD | counter |
| 08:14.14 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 13:52:53 (9.578±9.6 days) (1515;231) |
| 08:15.04 | LuitvD | wait a second... a week??!?!? |
| 08:15.04 | aloril | LuitvD: see page, I just combined 2 counters ;-) |
| 08:15.10 | aloril | nothing 'really' changed |
| 08:15.15 | LuitvD | phew |
| 08:16.30 | aloril | (and heard this estimate in video from Sean, not sure what he meant though (see above page, there is news entry about it)) |
| 08:17.10 | aloril | (yesterday it was 70% <= 2007-07-07 and its same today too) |
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| 08:29.59 | pH5 | Elrond: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/projects/sphyrna |
| 08:32.13 | LuitvD | aloril: or even better, changed from P1 counter to P1+ counter |
| 08:32.15 | schurig | pH5: the Projects homepage http://sphyrna.projects.linuxtogo.org/ looks quite unrelated |
| 08:32.52 | LuitvD | schurig: that's the linux-to-go main page... |
| 08:32.59 | aloril | LuitvD: hehe, it would be at least for a while "go order your neo1973 here" -meesage |
| 08:33.12 | schurig | LuitvD: I know, but it still looks unrelated to the hammerhead decoding approach |
| 08:33.38 | LuitvD | schurig: that's because it isn't the project's page |
| 08:34.05 | gamin | I wonder why Sean is not a bit more communicative. |
| 08:34.20 | schurig | LuitvD: yes, you know all. But for example go to http://projects.linuxtogo.org/projects/marvell8385/ and select "Project home page" there. This won't take you to a bogus site :-) |
| 08:34.29 | gamin | what's the point in all this secrecy? |
| 08:34.57 | schurig | LuitvD: that's why I notified ph5, he's project admin for sphyrna and can fix this |
| 08:35.07 | koen | gamin: what secrecy? |
| 08:35.18 | gamin | about the state of the project |
| 08:35.32 | aloril | gamin: well, they have told Neo1973 do exists and passed laforge's QA |
| 08:35.34 | gamin | where they stand, what currently keeps them up, etc |
| 08:35.36 | pH5 | schurig: sure, we can make a nice project page. I've only just registered the project to get an SCM for the analyze/experiment python code. |
| 08:36.55 | aloril | probably good idea to put that project outside OpenMoko (so its clearly not OpenMoko project and core team stays hopefully out of trouble with their NDA) |
| 08:37.17 | aloril | (as you have done) |
| 08:37.27 | koen | gamin: see planet.openmoko.org |
| 08:37.39 | gamin | koen: I have read that |
| 08:38.17 | aloril | gamin: there *hopefully* will be more official announcement this week |
| 08:38.36 | koen | gamin: so you know all the stuff you just asked |
| 08:38.37 | schurig | pH5: you can can put the wiki page at openmoko there |
| 08:38.47 | schurig | pH5: until you have time/incentive to make a real home page |
| 08:38.52 | gamin | koen: but why not just telling something like: okay, we have now 500 and plan to start producing another 1000. we are currently setting up the webserver, fcc tests are through, etc... |
| 08:39.46 | schurig | gamin: maybe they have other things to do |
| 08:40.27 | gamin | schurig: oh come on. |
| 08:40.53 | schurig | gamin: mickey said that this week they have lots of meetings. And when you (have to) hang around in a meeting, you can't really do much community relationships |
| 08:41.01 | koen | gamin: they already told us all that |
| 08:41.25 | schurig | gamin: compared to other countries, they aren't that secretive at all |
| 08:41.36 | schurig | s/countries/companies/ |
| 08:41.52 | schurig | apt: thanks, botty |
| 08:41.52 | apt | bitte, schurig |
| 08:42.44 | gamin | koen: then what are the current factors holding up the spipping? |
| 08:42.53 | gamin | shipping even |
| 08:43.49 | koen | gamin: I somehow doubt you have actually read planet.openmoko.org |
| 08:44.16 | gamin | koen: I did. bothe, the last posts of mickey and harald |
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| 08:45.58 | aloril | gamin: well, maybe they haven't made web-shop yet? (its not as easy as it was with P0 people: just ship ;-) |
| 08:46.19 | gamin | koen: harald wrote they have 492 units, so where do I order them? :) |
| 08:46.42 | schurig | aloril: no, it could be as easy. They could just ship a device to me, it wouldn't need accompanied by an invoice :-) |
| 08:46.59 | gamin | aloril: okay, so they originally wanted to ship in january and now they realise, that they need a webshop - :o) |
| 08:47.01 | aloril | schurig: hehe |
| 08:47.43 | aloril | gamin: I don't know really what is actually needed still, but laforge did talk about setting up one |
| 08:47.55 | schurig | gamin: it could be silly stuff, e.g. that the box that should hold the device isn't ready yet |
| 08:48.12 | schurig | gamin: or that the company/machine that is stuffing the phones into the boxes isn't free |
| 08:48.23 | gamin | schurig: *lol* |
| 08:48.32 | schurig | gamin: I work in a company that also produces electronic devices, so I know that sometimes silly things are holding things up |
| 08:49.16 | schurig | gamin: at one time our supplier where we got plastic foam (not sure about the english word) was so overbooked that he could not make ours in time |
| 08:49.52 | schurig | gamin: that stuff that is inside the card boxes and makes sure that the computer is save and doesn't get transportation damage |
| 08:50.06 | TRIsoft | Styrofoam ;-) |
| 08:51.05 | gamin | schurig: I will accept rumpled newspapers as stuffing :) |
| 08:51.29 | schurig | gamin: I won't. Can't read taiwanese! :-) |
| 08:51.54 | schurig | gamin: or maybe they use the "Straits Times" (from Singapur), that one is english :-) |
| 08:52.28 | gamin | schurig: and it's a pretty thick newspaper too. |
| 08:57.13 | moo_tang_clan | that sounds exciting |
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| 09:00.43 | CM | aloril: Mickeyl said he'd push for an announcement before the 23:rd, and I'm sure he'll make someone say something ;) |
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| 09:04.32 | aloril | CM: yeah, that is basis for my above "next 5 days" comment ;-) |
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| 09:15.30 | gamin | hmmm, the PIM apps are all done by o-hand... |
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| 09:18.55 | zecke | gamin: right |
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| 09:26.27 | aloril | CM: guess: 3-4 days |
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| 10:11.59 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Contacts]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Dialer]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] |
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| 10:40.11 | daxxar | Sigh, I feel my cellphone degrading day-by-day, I need Neo 1973! =P |
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| 11:00.43 | Kero | daxxar: yes, I do believe they'll come in a few days |
| 11:00.45 | Kero | counter |
| 11:00.45 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 12:29:37 (9.521±9.5 days) (1516;232) |
| 11:01.21 | daxxar | $350, right? |
| 11:01.45 | daxxar | That might have to be VATed too |
| 11:02.05 | daxxar | 2 110,- .. perhaps 2 600,- - plus transportation. |
| 11:02.14 | daxxar | I'll manage. Not too bad. :) |
| 11:02.27 | daxxar | And I can finally be rid of this horrible Windows Mobile thing. :p |
| 11:02.45 | daxxar | Btw, do I understand it correct when I believe there will be no SMS software ready? :) |
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| 11:03.31 | Kero | I have no idea. |
| 11:03.33 | daxxar | 'cause it says on the Neo1973_counter page about P1; |
| 11:03.33 | daxxar | This is meant for developers. However anybody with money can buy it. It will have very basic softare. Calling and receiving calls should work, but not much else beyond maybe some other basic software. |
| 11:03.40 | daxxar | :-) |
| 11:03.42 | daxxar | Okay. :) |
| 11:04.19 | Kero | if it can make calls, connect GPRS and deliver GPS, I'll do the rest myself. |
| 11:04.36 | Kero | (but I need the phone as incentive to actually do something) |
| 11:05.52 | daxxar | True ;-) |
| 11:06.06 | daxxar | Are you going to use it as a day-to-day phone, or for some specific purpose? |
| 11:08.34 | Kero | my old phone can make calls and has a very basic phonebook. I hardly ever SMS. Now guess :) |
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| 11:10.06 | Kero | the crux of Open Source is that you provide basic functionality, in a package where it works. If people can use it day-by-day, they can make small upgrades; and they'll make many. |
| 11:11.44 | daxxar | Mhm |
| 11:12.05 | [lankester] | by i was sending sms to my girlfriend and i was using my contact list |
| 11:12.15 | [lankester] | however i just dump my girlfriend :p |
| 11:12.21 | [lankester] | so i can now use my neo !! |
| 11:12.43 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2301 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ (gta02-core.patch smedia-glamo.patch): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:12.43 | CIA-24 | openmoko: GTA02: |
| 11:12.43 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * make sure gsm console switching is only done for GTA01 |
| 11:12.43 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * make sure glamo resource descriptions are complete |
| 11:12.43 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * introduce glamo spi platform data |
| 11:12.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * disable sdi platform device as temporary workaround to kernel hang |
| 11:12.47 | Kero | hehe |
| 11:12.49 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * bring glamo driver to a point where we cann access internal vram |
| 11:17.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2302 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: |
| 11:17.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: GTA02: |
| 11:17.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * add pcf50633 rtc driver |
| 11:17.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * enable pcf50633 rtc driver rather than s3c2440 one |
| 11:17.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * add power-cycling code for glamo |
| 11:17.29 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * major smedia driver update |
| 11:17.31 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * keep glamo driver disabled since it still locks up bus on vram access |
| 11:20.53 | aloril | don't think it has currently SMS support, but no doubt will have it soon once those 500 Neo1973's are unleashed |
| 11:21.52 | daxxar | Okay. :-) |
| 11:21.55 | pH5 | aloril: right, gsmd's parser can't yet parse the sms AT commands correctly. |
| 11:22.08 | daxxar | Is there any wiki page that lists the current software? |
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| 11:22.57 | daxxar | The phone call stuff, is that implemented using the fancy openmoko gui stuff? :-) |
| 11:23.34 | daxxar | Ah, yes, you're right. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gsmd#Currently_missing |
| 11:24.49 | daxxar | I guess I'll wait on making it my day-to-day phone until SMSes work, atleast. ^_^ |
| 11:32.41 | nox-Hand | counter |
| 11:32.42 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 12:13:39 (9.509±9.5 days) (1517;232) |
| 11:33.15 | nox-Hand | 9 days? o_O |
| 11:33.25 | nox-Hand | I thought it said 1 day before :( |
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| 11:40.26 | ecraven | it did ;) |
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| 11:46.26 | aloril | nox-Hand: see link (nothing really changed ;-) |
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| 11:51.50 | PBeck | hallo |
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| 12:00.22 | Ecco | Hi there |
| 12:00.49 | Ecco | I was just wondering : where's the right place to fetch up-to-date kernel sources for Zaurus C-1000 (akita, that is) |
| 12:04.34 | PBeck | counter |
| 12:04.35 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 11:57:42 (9.498±9.5 days) (1518;232) |
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| 12:07.42 | Ecco | So, noone knows where to fetch up-to-date kernel sources for the Zaurus ? |
| 12:07.43 | aloril | Ecco: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 12:08.41 | aloril | guess (I don't know): openembedded.org ? |
| 12:09.53 | Ecco | Well, they used to be there, but since OpenZaurus moved over to Angstrom I thought the sources might have moved |
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| 12:32.57 | CM | Ecco: Join #oe :) |
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| 13:13.14 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03andrew * r2303 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (hw/usb-hid.c hw/usb.h vl.c): Emulate a USB HID keyboard. |
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| 13:19.57 | kiney_ | counter |
| 13:19.57 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 11:20:01 (9.472±9.5 days) (1519;232) |
| 13:26.16 | daxxar | Cool, supports OpenGL ES 1.2 :) |
| 13:27.13 | pjz | Ecco: this isn't #zaurus, it's #openmoko |
| 13:27.23 | pjz | Ecco: so it's unsuprising that no one knows |
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| 13:38.08 | Ecco | allright ^^ |
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| 13:41.41 | koen | pH5: no tags/ trunk/ and branches/ nonsense for sphyrna? |
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| 13:48.58 | pH5 | koen: do you think it'd make sense for this project? we can always have tags/trunk/branches in the driver/daemon directory once we start to produce something useable. |
| 13:49.49 | koen | the answer is already in my question :) |
| 13:51.18 | pH5 | :) right |
| 13:51.29 | Elrond | hehe :_) |
| 13:51.30 | Elrond | :-) |
| 13:52.26 | stefan_schmidt | ~Sphyrna |
| 13:52.55 | stefan_schmidt | s/came/name/ |
| 13:53.00 | pH5 | Elrond: I've uploaded my decode.py strace log decoder, including some assumptions about what values are 12/16/32bit integers |
| 13:54.32 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03andrew * r2304 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (hw/usb-hid.c openmoko/flash.sh qemu-doc.texi): |
| 13:54.32 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * fix right-arrow keycode and HID descriptor version |
| 13:54.32 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * only grab input on USB reset (after attaching) |
| 13:54.32 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * add qemu-docs snippet about the keyboard |
| 13:54.32 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * mention the keyboard in flash.sh |
| 13:54.58 | Elrond | pH5 - I just downloaded it via anonymous svn. svn via password doesn't seem to work (despite it seems to be listed on the project page). And I just uploaded a fresh ssh key. ;-) |
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| 13:56.07 | Elrond | pH5 - I'll code up a PacketBase class this evening, which shuld help encapsulate some of your decode.py :-) |
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| 14:04.45 | pH5 | great |
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| 15:29.34 | Placid | HI |
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| 16:16.32 | Sup3rkiddo | guys, *, #, are they the only DTMF characters? |
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| 16:19.17 | don-o | Sup3rkiddo: look at phone and see :) |
| 16:19.51 | don-o | Sup3rkiddo: http://images.google.com/images?q=dialpad |
| 16:19.55 | DukeOfURL | there are four rows and four columns--what you don't see on the phone is the right-hand column (A,B,C,D) |
| 16:20.36 | don-o | DukeOfURL: i detect a bit of phreaking in your past, no? :) |
| 16:20.48 | DukeOfURL | just a tad |
| 16:21.05 | Sup3rkiddo | don-o, lol..i was wondering if all the numbers from 0 through 9 and a-z and ABCD and *,# are valid chars |
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| 16:22.03 | DukeOfURL | there are only 16 dual-tone combinations. the letters and digits are mapped onto those. |
| 16:22.49 | don-o | Sup3rkiddo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTMF |
| 16:22.54 | DukeOfURL | so "a" and "b" and "c" are mapped to the same frequency |
| 16:23.03 | Sup3rkiddo | don-o, readin it :P |
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| 16:23.39 | DanC | odd... nothing on http://planet.openmoko.org/ since 15 June... |
| 16:23.39 | DanC | .counter |
| 16:23.41 | DanC | counter? |
| 16:23.41 | aloril | "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 09:48:09 (9.408±9.4 days) (1520;233) |
| 16:23.58 | don-o | DanC: hardware updates are incredibly hard to come by. |
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| 16:25.32 | DanC | about 4 days ago, I got the impression something was scheduled to happen in 3 days. |
| 16:26.39 | DukeOfURL | don-o: remember the KP key? |
| 16:27.06 | don-o | DukeOfURL: nope. i was suprized to learn of the 4th row of keys just now :) |
| 16:29.06 | DukeOfURL | There's a different set of MF tones for operator signaling. One of those tones, 2600Hz, would release the trunk at the distant end. This was the basis of "blue" boxing in the 1960s and 70s |
| 16:29.43 | don-o | hence 2600 magazine. |
| 16:29.48 | DukeOfURL | Yes |
| 16:31.10 | DukeOfURL | I had access to a cord switchboard at Mountain Bell for several months. The PSTN was and is an amazing network! |
| 16:32.18 | DukeOfURL | Blue boxing forced the carriers to remove signaling from the voice channel and put it on a separate data channel (SS7) |
| 16:32.58 | don-o | sort of like when i leave a url/action?admin=true flag in a webapp without a password. |
| 16:33.09 | DukeOfURL | yup |
| 16:33.11 | don-o | who's gonna discover THAT? :) |
| 16:33.17 | DukeOfURL | me |
| 16:33.26 | DukeOfURL | :-)) |
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| 16:33.55 | Sup3rkiddo | does anyone recommend Analog and Digital Communications by Wayne Tomasi..? |
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| 17:02.50 | nox-Hand | Who owns apt? |
| 17:03.16 | nox-Hand | TomRIker |
| 17:03.30 | nox-Hand | TimRiker: TimRiker ;) |
| 17:03.33 | nox-Hand | You there? |
| 17:05.15 | TimRiker | ya. 'sup? |
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| 17:21.56 | nox-Hand | TimRiker: Is your apt bot available to joining other channels? |
| 17:22.04 | nox-Hand | I quite like the s/foo/bar option :) |
| 17:24.17 | daMaestro | counter? |
| 17:24.18 | aloril | "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 09:17:51 (9.387±9.4 days) (1521;233) |
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| 17:25.05 | nox-Hand | I.e the optn to correct mistakes like so: |
| 17:25.10 | nox-Hand | s/optn/option |
| 17:25.11 | nox-Hand | s/optn/option/ |
| 17:25.15 | nox-Hand | crap :| |
| 17:25.18 | nox-Hand | I.e the optn to correct mistakes like so: |
| 17:25.20 | nox-Hand | s/optn/option/ |
| 17:25.29 | nox-Hand | There we are :D |
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| 17:35.35 | TimRiker | nox-Hand: yes. /msg me the channel if you like. the channel should be registered and I would like to hear the request from a channel op. |
| 17:36.21 | TimRiker | s/.*/duh/ |
| 17:36.21 | aloril2 | DanC: we should get soon news, maybe in 3-4 days |
| 17:36.33 | nox-Hand | TimRiker: PM :) |
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| 18:35.18 | crackfiend | aloril2: do you mean the release of iPhone? |
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| 18:36.46 | aloril2 | crackfiend: no, news about Neo1973 from OpenMoko/FIC |
| 18:37.36 | crackfiend | Hehe I know... just being a smartass. I remember when I first heard about this project... I figured we'd see it released before iPhone. |
| 18:38.01 | empty_mind | counter |
| 18:38.01 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 08:40:59 (9.362±9.4 days) (1522;234) |
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| 18:42.54 | aloril2 | crackfiend: might still happen (myself optimistic and excpet that to happen) |
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| 18:54.02 | aloril2 | do you know any other phone than Neo1973 where you can code and compile apps for phone inside phone itself? (not counting post factory installation of OpenMoko, etc. similar) |
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| 19:13.05 | empty_mind | aloril2: any openembeded based phone should allow you to do so. I think zarus running on angstrom should allow this |
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| 20:19.03 | webjames | Hey all, quiet tonight |
| 20:19.35 | seemant | shhh, we're concentrating |
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| 20:20.38 | webjames_ | Hi! |
| 20:22.00 | tri_ | psss |
| 20:23.05 | webjames_ | psst? |
| 20:27.37 | tri_ | 10[22:18] webjames: 01Hey all, quiet tonight |
| 20:27.38 | tri_ | 10[22:19] seemant: 01shhh, we're concentrating |
| 20:30.50 | nox-Hand | pssss! |
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| 20:34.08 | webjames_ | what's psss? |
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| 20:38.45 | koen | pssss is slang for "black text is annoying and backwards" |
| 20:42.48 | balrog-kun | http://www.brendangregg.com/specials.html#psss |
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| 20:55.26 | expose | hi |
| 20:56.02 | expose | Is there another linux based phone besides the FIC Neo1973 which features GSM, GPS and WiFi? |
| 20:56.02 | aloril | P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K): http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-April/000012.html http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F (WiFi status for P1.5 will be known for sure when P1 becomes available and also what kind of discount for P1.5 is given for P1 buyers) |
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| 21:15.17 | ph|ber | m0o |
| 21:15.27 | ciacon | hi @ all |
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| 21:17.55 | ciacon | I have a problem building a working Qemu image under Ubuntu Linux. Can somebody help me? |
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| 21:38.20 | ciacon | can someone help me?? I just stared the automake and got following error message: Please install following missing utilities: texi2html .... this occured while executing "make openmoko-devel-image".... any ideas why? |
| 21:38.50 | expose | because texi2html is missing? |
| 21:39.03 | expose | and whatever command you ran needs it? |
| 21:39.57 | ciacon | I got the following: |
| 21:40.04 | ciacon | ERROR: Openembedded's config sanity checker detected a potential misconfiguration. |
| 21:40.04 | ciacon | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.04 | ciacon | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.19 | ciacon | Please install following missing utilities: texi2html |
| 21:41.07 | _schurig | ciacon: then simply install it |
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| 21:41.33 | rtp | 1 |
| 21:41.38 | ciacon | em... maybe I'm to n00b for this wold - but I could do with some help... |
| 21:42.41 | high-rez | Counter |
| 21:42.55 | high-rez | counter |
| 21:42.55 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter 70% for P1: a week, 2 days 07:08:32 (9.298±9.3 days) (1523;234) |
| 21:45.04 | ciacon | I honestly would not have a clue how to install texi2html |
| 21:45.12 | ciacon | any hints? |
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| 21:47.21 | juri_ | it would matter on your linux distribution. |
| 21:47.58 | ciacon | is this a thing to do with the ubuntu that I use... or do I have to add this to the OE, that openmoko uses?? |
| 21:48.08 | zecke | ubuntu |
| 21:48.12 | ciacon | ah |
| 21:48.13 | ciacon | oki |
| 21:48.26 | ciacon | that (hopefully) solves my Q... |
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| 21:52.23 | LuitvD | ciacon: yeah, just sudo apt-get install, or lookup in synaptic, anything that's called for |
| 21:52.40 | LuitvD | looking up in synaptic is my fav... |
| 21:59.00 | ciacon | LuitvD: I used aptitude... I was not quite clear what I should do... I am fairly new to Linux... I used to be a windumb crack - but am really getting into linux (which I fairly passively used years back)... |
| 21:59.25 | LuitvD | which version of ubuntu do you have? |
| 21:59.38 | LuitvD | newest? (7.04/Feisty Fawn) |
| 21:59.49 | ciacon | I came across Openmoko quite some months ago and am absolutly stunned... Openmoko definately has a buyer in me ;-) |
| 22:00.13 | ciacon | yup... I started originally with Gentoo... moved to Ubuntu 2 years later |
| 22:00.40 | LuitvD | you should use synaptic instead of aptitude |
| 22:00.51 | ciacon | aptitude |
| 22:01.02 | LuitvD | aptitude is a terminal interface to packages |
| 22:01.07 | LuitvD | you should use synaptic |
| 22:01.12 | LuitvD | it's graphical |
| 22:01.17 | ciacon | "make openmoko-devel-image" is finally running |
| 22:01.18 | LuitvD | easier to use |
| 22:01.40 | ciacon | I like the shell more |
| 22:01.47 | ciacon | don't ask me why... |
| 22:02.12 | LuitvD | is it a gentoo habit? :P |
| 22:02.27 | ciacon | I understand things that happen way better that way |
| 22:02.29 | LuitvD | I seriously never understood synaptic's interface... |
| 22:02.31 | ciacon | I suppose you are right |
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| 22:02.48 | ciacon | I loved "emerge world" ;-) |
| 22:02.53 | LuitvD | lol |
| 22:03.05 | LuitvD | I just apt-get install things |
| 22:03.13 | LuitvD | similar to emerge, right? |
| 22:03.26 | ciacon | I really have gained quite some knowlage with linux in general |
| 22:03.48 | LuitvD | emerge is command-line? or terminal UI? |
| 22:03.55 | ciacon | It really saddens me when people I know proudly tell me, that they have "the newest linux" |
| 22:04.15 | ciacon | and when I ask I only hear Version 10.2 |
| 22:04.17 | ciacon | -.- |
| 22:04.41 | LuitvD | heheh |
| 22:04.55 | ciacon | emerge is the way to operate gentoo's own package system called portage |
| 22:04.56 | LuitvD | 10.2 of f*cking what :P |
| 22:05.05 | ciacon | it's completely text-based... |
| 22:05.06 | thomasg__ | suse :) |
| 22:05.16 | ciacon | yup |
| 22:06.09 | LuitvD | my chemistry teacher always asked (when someone was noting a number without a unit) "14,7 elephants?" |
| 22:06.10 | LuitvD | :P |
| 22:06.36 | ciacon | yup |
| 22:06.46 | ciacon | bananas here ;-) |
| 22:07.04 | ciacon | typical german teachers i'd say |
| 22:07.14 | LuitvD | like when win xp sp2 came out: "I have service pack 2 now" my response: "coffeepot sp2?" |
| 22:07.29 | LuitvD | ciacon: well, I'm dutch actually |
| 22:07.47 | ciacon | LuitvD: my mum's a dane =D |
| 22:07.52 | LuitvD | but I guess NL and DE aren't that different |
| 22:08.30 | LuitvD | my parent both are dutch :P |
| 22:08.36 | LuitvD | nothing that interesting |
| 22:08.48 | ciacon | I am so glad I decided for linux... I cought a really nasty virus on my windows box... this was definately a handcrafted one.... |
| 22:09.45 | [lankester] | same for me |
| 22:09.56 | [lankester] | except when i have my job at the gouvernement |
| 22:10.01 | LuitvD | have had nearly all the Fedora versions XD |
| 22:10.08 | [lankester] | they were running everything on windows :( |
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| 22:10.29 | LuitvD | [lankester]: that's bad... which govt? |
| 22:10.36 | [lankester] | quebec in canada |
| 22:10.52 | [lankester] | now i work in the telecom on linux/solaris |
| 22:10.54 | [lankester] | a lot better :p |
| 22:11.04 | LuitvD | 'gratz :P |
| 22:11.06 | [lankester] | laptop for work on ubuntu |
| 22:11.10 | [lankester] | same for my desktop |
| 22:11.17 | ciacon | I was running a lot of bittorrent on my box... even though I had a semmi-protection off my router, somebody managed to install a linux on my box... this was manifested on a reboot... I deffo had not installed any to that date.. I had a closer look at the network-flow off this box and noticed, that EVERYTHING was sent out into the net -.-.... my congratulations to bill gapes.... |
| 22:11.27 | LuitvD | my desktop is ubuntu :) don't have a laptop (yet) |
| 22:11.51 | thresh | haha |
| 22:12.00 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 22:12.03 | [lankester] | ciacon: pretty weird ! |
| 22:12.18 | ciacon | after another reboot win xp was super-slow and exploited EVERYTHING |
| 22:12.27 | LuitvD | ciacon: I always had my windows pretty well-protected |
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| 22:12.49 | ciacon | I know... this was DEFINATELY handcrafted.... |
| 22:12.57 | LuitvD | ciacon: but my sister is destroying hers :P |
| 22:13.11 | ciacon | LuitvD: as they tend to :P |
| 22:13.28 | LuitvD | heheh, that's a little sister's job, isn't it? |
| 22:13.30 | happycube | lol |
| 22:13.33 | thresh | linux sucks ass |
| 22:13.34 | ciacon | lol |
| 22:13.42 | Kero | my sister does a fine job of keeping her windows protected :) |
| 22:13.47 | thresh | *everything* is broken |
| 22:14.11 | LuitvD | thresh: windows doesn't even come near ass... |
| 22:14.14 | ciacon | "make openmoko-devel-image" is still doing it's job... |
| 22:14.20 | thresh | i never used it |
| 22:14.25 | [lankester] | I dont remerber the last time |
| 22:14.33 | [lankester] | my window had a uptime over 1 weeks |
| 22:14.37 | ciacon | I might get luckey and get a core-extream one of the next days.... |
| 22:14.38 | [lankester] | and wasnt slow |
| 22:14.55 | LuitvD | the strangest linux problem I have, is with my router... |
| 22:15.05 | ciacon | [lankester]: I never managed 24 hours ;-) |
| 22:15.08 | LuitvD | hell, it's the only linux problem I have |
| 22:15.25 | [lankester] | I still have some probleme with openoffice |
| 22:15.34 | ciacon | [lankester]: that was an exaduration, but honestly - windows just does not survive long without reboot |
| 22:15.36 | [lankester] | my boss did a expense report sheet with excel |
| 22:15.42 | [lankester] | and a LOT of macro |
| 22:15.53 | LuitvD | [lankester]: oh yeah, VB scripts |
| 22:16.17 | LuitvD | love 'em |
| 22:16.29 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:16.36 | ciacon | hi there |
| 22:16.53 | LuitvD | hi CoreDump|home |
| 22:17.16 | ciacon | anyone have any experince with core-extreme + ubuntu?? |
| 22:18.06 | [lankester] | wjat is core-extreme ? |
| 22:18.08 | LuitvD | not really... I heared Intel had some pretty impressive stuff going on with powermanagement in linux-only |
| 22:18.21 | [lankester] | ohh |
| 22:18.24 | [lankester] | intel core extreme |
| 22:18.27 | LuitvD | hehe |
| 22:18.28 | ciacon | yup |
| 22:18.35 | [lankester] | you shouldnt have problem with the cpu |
| 22:18.42 | [lankester] | it more the motherboard |
| 22:18.45 | LuitvD | ciacon: do you mean duo or quad? |
| 22:18.55 | [lankester] | choose a good motherboard with a good chipset (from intel) |
| 22:18.58 | ciacon | quad |
| 22:19.28 | LuitvD | hmm, have used fedora on a core2 duo extreme rig once... |
| 22:19.51 | ciacon | it's my b'day soon... I have a financially shitty life of a student - but I tend to get super cool things for my bday |
| 22:20.11 | [lankester] | it really a cool thing for a bday :p |
| 22:20.13 | LuitvD | heh, I hope I'll get money for mine |
| 22:20.24 | [lankester] | are you studying in computer science ? |
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| 22:21.18 | ciacon | I live in germany, where a pupils future life is decided upon in the 4th grade (i.e. @ age 10) |
| 22:21.34 | [lankester] | nice choice LuitvD |
| 22:21.43 | [lankester] | ciacon: this is weird !! |
| 22:21.49 | [lankester] | so what was you choice when you were 10 :p |
| 22:21.51 | ciacon | I sadly did not belong to the good pupils @ that age.. |
| 22:21.58 | LuitvD | [lankester]: yeah, thought so too :P |
| 22:22.03 | CoreDump|home | weird also wrong |
| 22:22.09 | ciacon | well... one is introduced to school @ 6 |
| 22:22.15 | LuitvD | [lankester]: maybe one day I'll be able to make my own phone :P |
| 22:22.36 | [lankester] | maybe one day I'll code on your phone :p |
| 22:22.52 | ciacon | 4th grade school is devided into 3 parts (also separated in terms of buildings) |
| 22:22.56 | [lankester] | but only if it isnt symbian phone |
| 22:23.30 | LuitvD | oh it will be linux... I'm never gonna use symbian in my life |
| 22:23.36 | LuitvD | never have, and never will |
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| 22:23.55 | [lankester] | I was porting windows code |
| 22:24.01 | [lankester] | to symbian in one of my jobs |
| 22:24.09 | ciacon | for the highest ranking school an average (between grades 1 - 6 (1=best)) grade of all subjects of 2,5 is needed |
| 22:24.10 | [lankester] | i still have nightmare !! |
| 22:24.20 | ciacon | and I missed that.... |
| 22:24.39 | [lankester] | this sux ciacon |
| 22:24.40 | ciacon | only thoose have an easy way to start studiing... |
| 22:24.51 | [lankester] | because 10 year old is not a good age |
| 22:24.54 | [lankester] | for maturity |
| 22:24.56 | [lankester] | and everything |
| 22:25.03 | ciacon | RIGHT! |
| 22:25.12 | [lankester] | I know really good people at 20 year old who were really dump at 10 years old |
| 22:25.44 | ciacon | I am 20 and have EXTREME problem getting an IT-internship in GER |
| 22:26.18 | LuitvD | (highest level of "middelbare school" which is like high school) |
| 22:26.45 | ciacon | I have more knowlege than a lot of thoose applying for an IT-Internship - but it's a sort of hopeless case |
| 22:27.05 | LuitvD | I could have chosen to go to university, but I'm not going for that... |
| 22:27.16 | LuitvD | I like it one level lower |
| 22:27.31 | LuitvD | I'm glad I didn't have to decide on that when I was 10 years old |
| 22:27.41 | ciacon | I became homeless @ age 16... that made me fail school - but the only thing an employer looks @ are the grades... not the human behind that -.- |
| 22:27.42 | [lankester] | I wanted to be astronaut !! |
| 22:28.08 | LuitvD | ciacon: how the hell did that happen? |
| 22:28.16 | LuitvD | ciacon: becoming homeless... |
| 22:28.32 | LuitvD | ciacon: kicked out of your parents house or something? |
| 22:29.08 | ciacon | my dad refused me entrance to my home... I fighted my own way through life... I don't think I did bad... I finally have my own flat and a job that keeps me fed and under a roof |
| 22:30.01 | don-o | in the USA, grades mean very little (nothing, really) for getting most jobs. |
| 22:30.14 | don-o | they care about graduating from highschool and maybe college, but not about grades. |
| 22:30.14 | [lankester] | same in canada |
| 22:30.17 | ciacon | the german state did not see a reason for help or action in my case, as my dad is a fairly wealthy & hardworking foreigner in germany... |
| 22:30.20 | [lankester] | except for the Big company |
| 22:30.41 | [lankester] | I got a collegial degree |
| 22:30.46 | don-o | [lankester]: big accounting companies seem to care about grades. |
| 22:30.51 | [lankester] | and i'm doing the work of a guy with a bachelor |
| 22:31.16 | [lankester] | when I left my job at a big consulting company |
| 22:31.22 | [lankester] | they said to me that they wanted to keep me |
| 22:31.32 | [lankester] | however they could not raise my salary because of my degree |
| 22:31.33 | [lankester] | BYE |
| 22:31.46 | don-o | [lankester]: interesting. yeah good time to move on. |
| 22:31.48 | [lankester] | I do 50% more at my new job |
| 22:32.07 | [lankester] | they had a salary scale |
| 22:32.09 | [lankester] | with title |
| 22:32.11 | [lankester] | experiance |
| 22:32.13 | [lankester] | en degree |
| 22:32.19 | [lankester] | from my point of view |
| 22:32.22 | [lankester] | after few year |
| 22:32.23 | ciacon | my knowlage mostly lies in Radio and Radio communications @ wifi.... my aim is to hit the developing world in social aiding when it comes to wifi-longshots |
| 22:32.28 | [lankester] | title and experiance are way more important |
| 22:33.06 | [lankester] | humm wrong |
| 22:33.08 | [lankester] | title and task :p |
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| 22:35.54 | ciacon | guys - does a build really take 50mins + on a 1,8ghz box? |
| 22:36.12 | cjb | more like 3-4 hours, I think. |
| 22:36.34 | ciacon | ah... that might explain it ;-) |
| 22:37.47 | ciacon | I (think I ) have a running Qemu on my ubuntu... one the image is built - how do I fire up the openmoko?? |
| 22:43.37 | cjb | qemu -hda openmoko.img`, I guess? |
| 22:43.57 | LuitvD | isn't it make run-qemu? |
| 22:44.05 | LuitvD | in the mokomakefile dir? |
| 22:44.07 | cjb | oh, didn't know about that. |
| 22:44.11 | LuitvD | heheh |
| 22:44.27 | LuitvD | it automagically passes all the right parameters |
| 22:44.34 | cjb | I have an actual phone, so I don't use qemu :) |
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| 22:46.58 | don-o | thats the channel equivalent of having a big gold chain around your neck and diamond rings on your fingers :) |
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| 22:49.21 | CoreDump|home | don-o: the chain is actually "black" and has "OpenMoko" printed on it =) |
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| 23:04.38 | LuitvD | 'night |
| 23:06.51 | balrog-kun | oops, yes |
| 23:07.01 | balrog-kun | cjb: there's no harddisk in the Neo :) |
| 23:07.23 | mjr | todo: bluetooth walkie talkie mode for biking |
| 23:10.14 | mjr | slash other uses where you're close by but chatting over air is impractical due to circumstance |
| 23:11.14 | miip | hmm like diving? |
| 23:11.54 | mjr | yes well, using a neo and a headset is rather impractical with diving also |
| 23:12.04 | miip | true :) |
| 23:12.28 | ciacon | =) |
| 23:12.51 | mjr | and I can't really think of other reasonable uses than biking off the cuff, just saying there might be |
| 23:13.14 | ciacon | a question that has been asked so often before... is openmoko gonna have a wifi-device?? |
| 23:13.14 | mjr | hmm, communication between cars traveling together... |
| 23:13.27 | mjr | ciacon, P2 most likely, P1 no |
| 23:13.45 | ciacon | when aprox can we hope for p2?? |
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| 23:13.56 | mjr | later |
| 23:14.02 | ciacon | -+ 2months ;-)??? |
| 23:14.17 | miip | ciacon: maybe ;) |
| 23:14.24 | mjr | I don't expect it before say November, really, but that's just my hunch |
| 23:14.33 | mjr | anyway, sleep now |
| 23:14.51 | miip | gn8 mjr |
| 23:15.02 | ciacon | I only ask, as my bday is in august.. I think my parents have a mobile planned for me... ;-) |
| 23:15.26 | ciacon | I was really hoping for wifi by the end of this year..... |
| 23:15.55 | ciacon | your guess to when is better than any guess of mine :Ü |
| 23:15.58 | ciacon | :P |
| 23:17.03 | balrog-kun | i think the final release was supposed to be >6 months after P1, so that would be 2008, but there may be developer releases of P2 before that |
| 23:17.20 | ciacon | ah... |
| 23:17.33 | balrog-kun | or rather of GTA02 |
| 23:17.40 | ciacon | gta?? |
| 23:17.41 | balrog-kun | because P2 means the final release :p |
| 23:17.55 | balrog-kun | GTA02 is the name of the phone model for P2 |
| 23:18.00 | balrog-kun | as i understand it.. |
| 23:18.39 | miip | yeah thats what mickeys slides said |
| 23:19.01 | ciacon | hm... someway I am miles of the path here in ger.... |
| 23:22.54 | sargas | is my setup really messed up if monotone takes hours? doing 'make setup' and leaving it for 3 hours left a slowly working monotone that was only halfway done |
| 23:23.50 | cjb | monotone is usually very slow, |
| 23:24.21 | sargas | it takes something like 20 minutes on my other comp thats .2 ghz slower and on same network |
| 23:25.04 | cjb | well, then you don't need to ask us whether something's wrong with your computer. |
| 23:25.44 | sargas | true, i guess better question is if anyone would know what would make monotone so slow |
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| 23:45.14 | balrog-kun | an even better question would be what can make it faster :) |
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| 23:48.32 | happycube | humm... memory thrashing would thrash a box pretty bad. also a p4 celeron would get wiped out by pretty much anything .2ghz slower ;) |
| 23:49.09 | sargas | p3 celeron |
| 23:49.52 | ciacon | p4 1,8ghz@768mb ram... old but prone ;-) |
| 23:51.35 | sargas | atleast its nearly 5 times faster then the neo, as opposed to the 2 times faster his box i'm typing on is :P |
| 23:54.44 | ciacon | there is hope for a quadcore in my house... |
| 23:54.46 | ciacon | ;-) |
| 23:55.25 | sargas | hmmm |
| 23:55.40 | sargas | ./op.h:20: error: syntax error before ')' token |
| 23:55.54 | sargas | *(uint32_t *)(gen_code_ptr + 27) = (long)(&) + 0; < line 20 of that file |