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| 00:52.39 | adhoc_ | SpeedEvil: ah cool. wasn't sure how that all ended up |
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| 01:16.09 | freak132 | Has anyone started any interesting user applications for the openmoko yet? |
| 01:18.38 | Moo^^ | o/ |
| 01:18.48 | Moo^^ | waiting for the browser and javascript |
| 01:18.58 | quitte | does someone happen to know where i can find the lzma patch for squashfs3.1? |
| 01:19.05 | SpeedEvil | but only prototyping |
| 01:19.17 | SpeedEvil | basically different ideas for gata entry. |
| 01:20.13 | freak132 | that reminds me of a little thing i would like to do on the openmoko, do you think its powerful enough to do sound distortion on the mic input? |
| 01:22.16 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 01:22.42 | SpeedEvil | Apps like voice changers on inbound and outbound voices during calls have been raised. |
| 01:23.08 | SpeedEvil | For example - if you find someones voice annoyingly high, you set them so that they are on a pitch reducer. |
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| 01:28.21 | SpeedEvil | Or compression on people who talk too softly |
| 01:29.24 | freak132 | but can it give me the distorted voice used by kidnappers in movies? |
| 01:29.32 | freak132 | does the openmoko have a DSP chip in it? |
| 01:31.05 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 01:31.24 | SpeedEvil | CPU is plenty fast enogh for simple effects. |
| 01:31.35 | SpeedEvil | think pentium 100 |
| 01:32.18 | freak132 | its not actually a pentium 100 is it? i would have thought ARM of 200 to 400mhz |
| 01:32.42 | SpeedEvil | it's got much less cache |
| 01:32.50 | SpeedEvil | and no FPU |
| 01:33.07 | freak132 | no fpu at all? well shit, that's no fun |
| 01:33.30 | SpeedEvil | it's slightly faster - for some things, but generally not twovce as fast |
| 01:33.56 | freak132 | in what terms are you speaking? in terms of actual speed or in mhz? |
| 01:34.05 | SpeedEvil | actual speed |
| 01:34.16 | SpeedEvil | it's running at 266 |
| 01:35.07 | freak132 | up to 266 |
| 01:35.14 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
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| 01:38.02 | freak132 | i dont see anywhere that says it doesnt have an FPU |
| 01:38.20 | SpeedEvil | read the chip datasheet |
| 01:40.20 | freak132 | i hope that doesnt affect its ability to do audio transforms |
| 01:40.41 | SpeedEvil | not really |
| 01:40.55 | SpeedEvil | fixed point is fine too. |
| 01:41.19 | freak132 | it depends on the algorithms used for the transforms |
| 01:41.38 | SpeedEvil | you can recode most all of them. |
| 01:41.57 | SpeedEvil | but for simple lo-fi stuff, it's not an isue. |
| 01:44.03 | SpeedEvil | The audio in and out paths to the GSM module are completely under software control, so you can do all sorts of fun stuff. |
| 01:44.29 | freak132 | joy |
| 01:46.21 | freak132 | i hope such operations wouldnt suck too much batter |
| 01:46.23 | freak132 | battery* |
| 01:46.53 | adhoc_ | interesting |
| 01:47.55 | freak132 | how so? |
| 01:49.15 | adhoc_ | does the system have the ability to be able to increase/decrease the clock speed on the cpu to conserver power? |
| 01:49.39 | adhoc_ | ie, under clock to conserve power |
| 01:52.32 | CoreDump | you really don't want to do that on gta03.... |
| 01:52.37 | SpeedEvil | Not really |
| 01:52.44 | SpeedEvil | sort-of, but not deeply |
| 01:52.50 | SpeedEvil | it has a 12Mhz mode |
| 01:53.06 | SpeedEvil | but, you can't use the bluetooth, or screen |
| 01:53.42 | adhoc_ | SpeedEvil: ah ok |
| 01:53.59 | adhoc_ | SpeedEvil: on the wiki it talks about Ethernet on usb, |
| 01:54.03 | SpeedEvil | IIRC - 12MHz - 50mW 266Mhz 350mW |
| 01:54.15 | adhoc_ | does it have a usb host controler for other usb devices too? |
| 01:54.16 | SpeedEvil | it's a fake ethernet protocol |
| 01:54.18 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:54.21 | SpeedEvil | but no power |
| 01:54.27 | adhoc_ | ok |
| 01:54.53 | adhoc_ | how long before we see these in the hands of developers? |
| 01:54.58 | freak132 | SpeedEvil: it also seems to have an 'idle mode' which consumes half the power of full speed? |
| 01:55.01 | SpeedEvil | some devs have |
| 01:55.08 | adhoc_ | SpeedEvil: ok cool. |
| 01:55.12 | SpeedEvil | freak132: not yet implemented AIUI |
| 01:55.19 | freak132 | somedevs have the second development version as well |
| 01:55.34 | freak132 | SpeedEvil: no? the wiki page should reflect that |
| 01:55.41 | adhoc_ | ok, i've been looking for a mobile platform for my gps based app |
| 01:55.46 | SpeedEvil | I don't have concrete information. |
| 01:55.56 | SpeedEvil | GPS does work in slow mode |
| 01:56.28 | adhoc_ | nice. im interested in mapping with something like this |
| 01:56.51 | SpeedEvil | [[openstreetmap]] on the wiki may be of interest |
| 01:57.08 | adhoc_ | yes, i have been working on adding content to it |
| 01:57.36 | adhoc_ | and thus im looking at somthing a little more automatic to capturing data |
| 01:57.50 | adhoc_ | with a sensible UI and display |
| 01:58.18 | adhoc_ | ideally an 18 hour run time |
| 01:58.48 | freak132 | I just want to capture where i go during the day |
| 01:58.55 | adhoc_ | freak132: yes, likewise |
| 01:59.10 | SpeedEvil | there are standalone gps devices with SD cards |
| 01:59.17 | SpeedEvil | $100 or so |
| 01:59.33 | adhoc_ | SpeedEvil: yes i have seen those with the digital cameras |
| 01:59.34 | SpeedEvil | log NMEA to the card |
| 01:59.51 | adhoc_ | but they are not interactive and can not annotate things at this time |
| 02:00.07 | SpeedEvil | true |
| 02:00.19 | SpeedEvil | voice notes would be very nice |
| 02:00.24 | adhoc_ | annotation is what i am hoping to add to my app |
| 02:01.14 | adhoc_ | vioce is something i haven't thought of yet |
| 02:01.45 | adhoc_ | however i recently baught a belkin voice recorder for my ipod, |
| 02:01.55 | adhoc_ | mainly for informal interviews |
| 02:03.15 | adhoc_ | damn, my last openstreetmap session has been lost =/ |
| 02:04.55 | SpeedEvil | bluetooth headset would be nice. |
| 02:05.06 | SpeedEvil | voice activated. |
| 02:05.13 | adhoc_ | for the OpenMoko ? |
| 02:05.24 | SpeedEvil | For OSM logging |
| 02:05.32 | adhoc_ | ah, nice idea |
| 02:05.46 | adhoc_ | next you'll say voice recognition |
| 02:06.00 | SpeedEvil | That's harder. |
| 02:06.02 | adhoc_ | start and stop commands with naming for saved files ;) |
| 02:06.07 | SpeedEvil | Though - amenity:fuel - forex |
| 02:06.30 | adhoc_ | hrm |
| 02:06.49 | adhoc_ | this is something to consider for the mini-conf next year |
| 02:07.04 | SpeedEvil | I've been looking at using multiple cameras also. |
| 02:07.15 | adhoc_ | video or still ? |
| 02:07.21 | freak132 | vista computers can barely manage voice recognition, dont expect to take voice recognition notes on a cell |
| 02:07.24 | SpeedEvil | Several cheap cameras with largish flash cards and the shutters glued down. |
| 02:07.36 | SpeedEvil | freak132: very limited word-set |
| 02:07.37 | adhoc_ | freak132: vista does a lot more, |
| 02:07.52 | SpeedEvil | Total vocab commonly of maybe 30-50 words |
| 02:08.00 | SpeedEvil | (that you'd want to recognise. |
| 02:08.03 | adhoc_ | freak132: remember there was functiona voice recognition uin 1990 on 100mhz ppsc |
| 02:08.12 | SpeedEvil | But it doesn't need to be done in real time. |
| 02:08.16 | adhoc_ | SpeedEvil: yeah |
| 02:08.38 | adhoc_ | SpeedEvil: you could just wait for a voice event and process each bit |
| 02:08.46 | SpeedEvil | Idea of the cameras is to make a panorama basically |
| 02:08.59 | adhoc_ | SpeedEvil: ok, that makes sense. |
| 02:09.01 | SpeedEvil | it'd be nicest of course if you could sync them, |
| 02:09.09 | adhoc_ | how would you store and stitch that? |
| 02:09.31 | SpeedEvil | More view to give context to a voice note |
| 02:09.51 | adhoc_ | i have seen a project last year at linux conf with a hat with eight cameras on it |
| 02:10.07 | SpeedEvil | Multiple high quality stiched video would be lovely. Also fairly spendy. |
| 02:10.13 | adhoc_ | activated by a usb event, as all were connected to a usb hub and laptiop |
| 02:10.45 | SpeedEvil | I've also contemplated IR filters, and a large IR flash. |
| 02:10.53 | SpeedEvil | To pick out reteroreflective paint. |
| 02:11.03 | SpeedEvil | In signs, for example. |
| 02:11.21 | adhoc_ | why signs? |
| 02:11.35 | SpeedEvil | roadsigns |
| 02:11.36 | adhoc_ | sign that are very reflective at night? |
| 02:11.38 | SpeedEvil | foo place |
| 02:12.16 | SpeedEvil | Most signs these days have paint that reflects most light that hits them in the direction of that light. |
| 02:12.45 | SpeedEvil | Hence a flash with a camera nearby will make the sign several hundred times brighter than an adjacent 'white' area |
| 02:12.59 | adhoc_ | you could also take these in the daylight if you are useing a IR flash and filter that removes visible light? |
| 02:14.00 | SpeedEvil | Ideally. |
| 02:14.10 | SpeedEvil | Several dozen, rather, not hundred |
| 02:15.34 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage]] [[Footer]] [[Media_Player]] [[Toolbar]] |
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| 07:49.40 | yukito | hi |
| 07:49.52 | yukito | are there ruby bindings for the openmoko api? |
| 07:50.41 | yukito | if not, would it be useful to have any? |
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| 08:16.34 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Coding_Guidelines]] [[Calendar]] |
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| 08:19.37 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:20.26 | adhoc_ | evenen |
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| 08:27.09 | pavelm | Hello, everyone |
| 08:27.20 | adhoc_ | hi pavelm |
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| 08:43.28 | kelvinn | evening |
| 08:45.49 | ewanm89 | hello, it's morning here. |
| 08:46.34 | xkr47 | hello, it's whatever here! |
| 08:47.21 | balrog-kun | good whatever there |
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| 08:47.35 | xkr47 | you too :) |
| 08:47.40 | balrog-kun | oh, thanks |
| 08:50.44 | LuitvD | good morning |
| 08:51.17 | LuitvD | how's the weather in whatever? |
| 08:52.08 | balrog-kun | it seems to be a beatiful summer's whatever |
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| 08:54.05 | PBeck | hi |
| 08:56.24 | kelvinn | it is slightly raining in whatever here |
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| 08:59.22 | ewanm89 | Sunny here. |
| 08:59.53 | ewanm89 | My bedroom was 29.6 degrees celsius yesterday. |
| 09:00.17 | pavelm | ...and then I found out that python-gtk2 is 70MB :-( |
| 09:00.17 | pavelm | ...but I can install flite in few megs, so at least I can get openmoko to talk ;-) |
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| 09:03.15 | PBeck | counter |
| 09:03.15 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 45%) P1: 4 days 13:28:22 (4.561±4.6 days) (1427;227) |
| 09:03.24 | pavelm | it is hot here. not 29.6-indoors hot, yet, but hot. |
| 09:03.36 | LuitvD | ewanm89: that's nothing... it was over 31 degrees outdoors here yesterday |
| 09:03.54 | LuitvD | today it's more comfortable |
| 09:03.58 | PBeck | can a official person verify the release of P1 in the next week? |
| 09:04.16 | LuitvD | don't think so... |
| 09:04.21 | ewanm89 | LuitvD: Where were you? |
| 09:04.30 | PBeck | :/ |
| 09:04.31 | LuitvD | the netherlands |
| 09:05.03 | LuitvD | middle of the netherlands, and right at a spot where it didn't rain a bit at all... |
| 09:05.16 | LuitvD | you should have seen the lightning storms around us... |
| 09:05.29 | ewanm89 | LuitvD: It was at about 6o'clock last night when I took that temp, it was probably higher, I'll check highest temperature. |
| 09:06.28 | LuitvD | oh no, wait... I guess that 31 degrees was the day before yesterday already |
| 09:06.41 | LuitvD | yesterday was around 30... still quite warm |
| 09:07.07 | LuitvD | friday was amazing, with that lightning all around |
| 09:07.17 | ewanm89 | LuitvD: It hit 32.6 on the 25 of may |
| 09:07.27 | LuitvD | and where is that? |
| 09:07.36 | ewanm89 | Dorset, UK. |
| 09:07.43 | LuitvD | in or outside? |
| 09:08.34 | ewanm89 | in, 29.6 outside is highest so far this year, but that day wasn't logged (radio signal was lost for a couple of months). |
| 09:09.31 | LuitvD | may was bloody hot already |
| 09:09.44 | LuitvD | but friday was horrible |
| 09:09.59 | ewanm89 | lol |
| 09:10.17 | LuitvD | we were in the middle of two high pressure ... 'field' or something |
| 09:10.48 | LuitvD | the clouds circled around both, and compressed in the middle |
| 09:11.02 | LuitvD | right above belgium and the netherlands |
| 09:11.30 | balrog-kun | LuitvD: are you a pilot? |
| 09:11.36 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: no, why? |
| 09:12.30 | balrog-kun | pilots usually know about weather stuff, and i saw you post some aeroplane picture an other dya :p |
| 09:12.57 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: ah, no I'm just interested in stuff like that |
| 09:13.09 | LuitvD | check this out: http://buienradar.nl/h.aspx?id=96879068&jaar=2007&maand=06&dag=08&bliksem=1 |
| 09:13.10 | balrog-kun | ah okay |
| 09:13.38 | LuitvD | those yellow crosses are lightning strikes in a 5-minute period |
| 09:14.11 | LuitvD | the left lightning cloud that's over the northsea on this picture went straight over the south-side of the netherlands |
| 09:14.27 | LuitvD | missing my hometown by a mile |
| 09:14.45 | LuitvD | the one in the middle is passing our town north |
| 09:14.53 | LuitvD | and the right bottom one on the south too |
| 09:16.01 | LuitvD | anyhow, more then 500 lightning detections per 5 minutes on a 50x50km range is bloody well amazing |
| 09:16.03 | ewanm89 | lol, I need to know some when sailing. |
| 09:16.15 | LuitvD | it's a record here... |
| 09:16.48 | ewanm89 | yep, groung radio antenni and dont transmit any signals. |
| 09:17.09 | ewanm89 | I wonder how many got fried. |
| 09:17.09 | LuitvD | trying to get a meteosat image... |
| 09:17.39 | LuitvD | ewanm89: i tried listening for them too, when a cloud of lightning was passing by just a kilometer north |
| 09:17.50 | LuitvD | it was really odd |
| 09:18.20 | LuitvD | radio to MW band, and tune just next to a channel |
| 09:18.25 | mitsuhiko | hmm |
| 09:18.45 | mitsuhiko | why do the developers want to replace gtk and not add missing functionality? |
| 09:19.07 | ewanm89 | Yeah my amateur equipment can pic up lightning anywhere on the spectrum. |
| 09:19.09 | LuitvD | normally you hear a snap and a little crackle like that. last friday it was crackling all around :D |
| 09:19.19 | balrog-kun | i don't think they want to replace gtk because of missing functionality |
| 09:19.25 | ewanm89 | mitsuhiko: Sometimes it's easier. |
| 09:19.39 | LuitvD | ewanm89: MW band just a few kHz off a channel works best |
| 09:20.19 | ewanm89 | LuitvD: My sensitive equipment can get it anywhere. |
| 09:21.07 | LuitvD | yeah, it's even detectable in the GSM and WiFi bands |
| 09:21.32 | mitsuhiko | balrog-kun: i heard it in michael lauers talk that "some things are not possible with old toolkits like gtk" |
| 09:22.12 | ewanm89 | yep, and whatever mode, it's the emp pulses you have to watch out for, lightning can hitch a ride on a radio signal for miles. |
| 09:22.47 | Sup3rkiddo | emp pulse is the weapon of the future |
| 09:22.58 | LuitvD | I hope MIT made sure their 'remote power supply' technique isn't influenced by lightning... |
| 09:22.58 | ewanm89 | Probably SSB. |
| 09:23.12 | LuitvD | ssb? |
| 09:23.25 | ewanm89 | s/SSB/SDR/ |
| 09:23.30 | LuitvD | ah |
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| 09:23.44 | balrog-kun | mitsuhiko: hmm, i see |
| 09:23.50 | LuitvD | ewanm89: heared of the HPSDR project yet? |
| 09:23.58 | balrog-kun | i though it was because gtk was quite slow, and probably too powerful for what openmoko needs, a phone shouldn't need all that |
| 09:23.59 | ewanm89 | LuitvD: Yes. |
| 09:24.06 | LuitvD | it's quite nice :) |
| 09:24.16 | LuitvD | good thing there's someone doing it open-source |
| 09:24.33 | ewanm89 | yeah, isn't that atlas backbone? |
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| 09:25.02 | balrog-kun | ewanm89: however there are already toolkits like clutter, so it's easier to use them if they have the needed funcationality instead of adding it from scratch in gtk |
| 09:25.12 | balrog-kun | err, sorry this was for mitsuhiko |
| 09:25.29 | LuitvD | ewanm89: I reckon it is |
| 09:25.49 | ewanm89 | Thought so, a while since I was last there. |
| 09:26.02 | LuitvD | ewanm89: http://hpsdr.org/wiki/index.php?title=ATLAS |
| 09:29.53 | ewanm89 | I got an article here about janus a-d converter. |
| 09:30.05 | mitsuhiko | balrog-kun: do you have a link to the clutter webpage? |
| 09:30.35 | mitsuhiko | ah. got it |
| 09:31.52 | mitsuhiko | clutter looks interesting |
| 09:32.00 | mitsuhiko | especially because it's based on the gfoobar technology |
| 09:35.05 | ewanm89 | LuitvD: Odyssey looks interesting. |
| 09:35.29 | LuitvD | it all does |
| 09:35.30 | LuitvD | :p |
| 09:36.32 | LuitvD | ofcourse, the enclosure HAD to be called pandora XD |
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| 09:37.42 | ewanm89 | LuitvD: The problem here is half the components if the atlas are surface mounted. |
| 09:37.56 | LuitvD | ewanm89: why is that a problem? |
| 09:38.05 | pavelm | hi, mikesh |
| 09:38.48 | ewanm89 | LuitvD: Have you tried to solder surface mounted components? |
| 09:39.23 | LuitvD | yes :) |
| 09:39.40 | LuitvD | down to 0604 parts |
| 09:39.45 | ewanm89 | LuitvD: With a air soldering iron or without? |
| 09:40.00 | LuitvD | with a normal soldering iron |
| 09:40.13 | LuitvD | with 0,8mm tip |
| 09:40.17 | ewanm89 | So you must know it's a nightmare.# |
| 09:40.23 | LuitvD | :P |
| 09:40.31 | LuitvD | it's acutally quite doable |
| 09:40.35 | ewanm89 | And I don't have any small tips. |
| 09:40.53 | LuitvD | my soldering station is only 20 bucks |
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| 09:41.05 | ewanm89 | LuitvD: I know I have done it myself. |
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| 09:41.20 | LuitvD | anyhow, for BGA you'd still need a reflow oven |
| 09:41.38 | LuitvD | BGA and QFN is impossible to do with soldering irons |
| 09:42.12 | LuitvD | I still think of building a reflow oven out of an IR toaster... |
| 09:42.28 | LuitvD | maybe then I can build my own phone :P |
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| 09:44.49 | ewanm89_ | lartza: Is your soldering station good? |
| 09:45.44 | ewanm89_ | LuitvD: Is your soldering station good? |
| 09:46.59 | LuitvD | ewanm89: it's okay |
| 09:47.11 | LuitvD | it's my first anyways... |
| 09:47.43 | LuitvD | it's an AOYUE |
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| 09:50.00 | Kensan | stefan_schmidt: About Bug #599, did you build for x86? |
| 09:51.10 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: x86_64 |
| 09:51.27 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: err, sorry, for? |
| 09:51.55 | Kensan | stefan_schmidt: What's in your local.conf? |
| 09:52.15 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: I build on x86_64 for the neo of course |
| 09:52.37 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: Why should I use oe when building for the host platform |
| 09:53.38 | Kensan | stefan_schmidt: For development etc. see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr |
| 09:54.20 | ewanm89_ | LuitvD: What tip type is that? chisel? |
| 09:54.34 | LuitvD | err... |
| 09:54.36 | LuitvD | don't know... |
| 09:54.51 | LuitvD | it's somewhat flat on two sides... |
| 09:55.04 | ewanm89_ | Yeah chisel. |
| 09:55.20 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: For normal app development I just use configure and make in the OM-2007 folder. |
| 09:55.26 | stefan_schmidt | bbiab |
| 09:55.33 | ewanm89_ | LuitvD: http://www.pcb-soldering.co.uk/index.php?target=products&product_id=6 0.2 mm conical |
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| 09:56.39 | LuitvD | hmm, not sure how much mm my tip is... |
| 09:56.41 | Kensan | stefan_schmidt: Bug 599 only pops up if you build for MACHINE="x86". |
| 10:01.34 | ewanm89_ | LuitvD: Hot air ones aren't to expensive :) |
| 10:01.58 | LuitvD | ewanm89_: IR toasters and a microcontroller isn't expensive either |
| 10:02.27 | LuitvD | ah found it, it's a 0,6 by 0,8mm point |
| 10:03.45 | mitsuhiko | OMG |
| 10:03.49 | mitsuhiko | who wrote that: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:BuiltInScriptingLanguage#Python |
| 10:03.55 | mitsuhiko | "Metaprogramming is very difficult." |
| 10:04.29 | ewanm89_ | LuitvD: 0.2 mm connical makes surface mounts real easy. |
| 10:06.24 | LuitvD | ewanm89_: I bet a 0,2mm point can solder 0204 packages :P |
| 10:08.24 | ewanm89_ | LuitvD: That is the point. |
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| 10:08.47 | ewanm89_ | Pun intended. |
| 10:09.44 | LuitvD | never had to solder packages smaller then half the size of my point |
| 10:09.50 | LuitvD | and I don't think I'll have to :P |
| 10:10.08 | LuitvD | though there's a nicer way to solder small smd packages :) |
| 10:10.52 | LuitvD | anyhow, if I'd have to solder too small packages, i can use my friend's heatgun |
| 10:11.01 | LuitvD | hot-air iron |
| 10:11.01 | ewanm89_ | LuitvD: I,ve tried stupidly small once, melted half the pcb. |
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| 10:11.28 | ewanm89_ | I might get a hot air iron. |
| 10:12.06 | LuitvD | ewanm89_: why not a toaster-reflow-oven? it's a fun project to build even... |
| 10:13.03 | LuitvD | and if you choose the right controller chip, you can make it a industry-grade oven... |
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| 10:13.54 | LuitvD | platinum temperature probe, old toaster, big relay and a protoboard is all you need |
| 10:14.22 | ewanm89_ | So a pic16f8* won't cut it? |
| 10:14.47 | ewanm89_ | I could get a pcb etched np. |
| 10:15.45 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Coding_Guidelines]] [[Calendar]] [[History]] [[Neo1973]] |
| 10:15.45 | LuitvD | a pic16 would cut it |
| 10:16.07 | ewanm89_ | I think I have one on a bard floating around somewhere. |
| 10:16.33 | ewanm89_ | Need an eeprom writer though. |
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| 10:17.25 | ewanm89_ | :( |
| 10:22.05 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: Sorry, my GF has cooked for me and it is not a good idea to let she wait then. :) |
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| 10:23.36 | pH5 | stefan_schmidt: bon appetit |
| 10:23.37 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: Yeah, I got the build problem with x86 now. As I'm not a OE expert I'm not sure if we just can remove the Target_FPU |
| 10:23.41 | Kensan | stefan_schmidt: very wise of you ;) |
| 10:23.56 | stefan_schmidt | pH5: Thanks, already finished. yummy :) |
| 10:24.40 | Kensan | stefan_schmidt: I am new to OE too, but I see no reason why one would assign a variable to itself... maybe I am missing something. |
| 10:25.15 | pH5 | LaF0rge: is the AT+CFUN=0 is gsmd init just to get reproducible starting conditions? I'd like to propose putting that into vendor_ti.c instead. |
| 10:25.20 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: Have you tried mickey suggestion he added two minutes ago? |
| 10:25.39 | Kensan | stefan_schmidt: let me check. |
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| 10:26.31 | stefan_schmidt | Kensan: Anyway I have a date with my garden now. :) Just add your infos to the bug, especially that it triggers for x86, and we track it later today. |
| 10:27.50 | Kensan | stefan_schmidt: Ok great. |
| 10:29.32 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone getting this error http://rafb.net/p/MeB9Pl36.html? |
| 10:30.58 | zecke|breakfast | Kensan: well, you change the varflag 'export' of this variable |
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| 10:31.28 | zecke|breakfast | Kensan: you could skip the asisgnment but it shouldn't do any damage and I wonder what the relation with do_install is? |
| 10:31.41 | ewanm89_ | LuitvD: How hot would the temperature probe have to measure? |
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| 10:35.44 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2206 10/trunk/oe/packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.6.bb: oe/pulseaudio: add/remove user in libpulse. fix TARGET_FPU assignment |
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| 10:35.55 | mickey|fic | hi tecke |
| 10:36.16 | zecke | mickey|fic: you are missing a ken in your nick as well? |
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| 10:36.39 | Kensan | zecke|breakfast: Shouldn't the variable already be exported at that point? |
| 10:36.56 | zecke | mickey|fic: now tell me how to get a full exposure of a GdkWindow when one is doing gdk_window_move |
| 10:37.04 | zecke | Kensan: export as in the shell sense |
| 10:37.44 | Sup3rkiddo | ah..wait...svn update, will report after updating my build |
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| 10:38.44 | nobody96 | moin |
| 10:40.00 | nobody96 | im really locking forward to the wlan compatibel fic version |
| 10:40.32 | nobody96 | i was on the phone for over an hour with my actual voip phone |
| 10:40.38 | nobody96 | a so called w48 |
| 10:41.00 | Kensan | zecke: yes, that's what I meant. |
| 10:41.21 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2207 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-base/ (3 files in 2 dirs): oe/openmoko-sound-system: correct some paths to make pulseaudio startup as daemon |
| 10:41.30 | mickey|fic | zecke: i have no idea, sorry |
| 10:41.44 | nobody96 | and just the reciver ore how the thing where u speak in is called in english weights over 600g |
| 10:42.04 | zecke | mickey|fic: mentor? |
| 10:42.16 | Sup3rkiddo | svn update solved it |
| 10:42.24 | mickey|fic | zecke: i'm here to guide you, not to work out itchy details ;) |
| 10:43.43 | zecke | mickey|fic: tell me how to make irssi join two irc servers so I can pester the gimp folks |
| 10:44.18 | mickey|fic | or start another instance |
| 10:44.30 | nobody96 | zecke, something like alt/ctrl + number worked |
| 10:44.43 | zecke | mickey|fic: you should upgrade to konversation |
| 10:44.56 | nobody96 | but try a grafical client, we are in the 21th now :) |
| 10:44.58 | zecke | mickey|fic: in KDE trunk (4.0) ksirc is removed |
| 10:45.06 | koen | zecke: /connect <server> |
| 10:45.25 | koen | in window 1 you can toggle between them |
| 10:45.55 | hads | nobody96: CLI clients can be more useful than GUI ones |
| 10:46.26 | nobody96 | sure |
| 10:46.28 | nobody96 | but irc? |
| 10:46.45 | nobody96 | im using a console based one under win |
| 10:46.58 | buz | konversation can do multiple servers |
| 10:47.10 | buz | all in all its quite sane a client |
| 10:47.18 | baird- | GUI server management are soooooo 1995 Windows NT 3.51... |
| 10:47.41 | nobody96 | or more precisly im logging in to a linux box via ssh and using it there |
| 10:48.18 | nobody96 | gui server management? |
| 10:48.34 | nobody96 | i thougt we where talking about irc-clients :) |
| 10:50.20 | nobody96 | back to the topic... |
| 10:50.52 | nobody96 | me too |
| 10:51.10 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2208 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-base/ (openmoko-session/session openmoko-session_svn.bb): oe/openmoko-session: remove playing startup sound from session file |
| 10:51.11 | nobody96 | what is the prefered way to get the distribution running? |
| 10:51.24 | ewanm89 | nobody96: Why didnt you use /me? |
| 10:51.31 | nobody96 | with qemu or running with x |
| 10:52.00 | nobody96 | and falls back to ugly denglisch |
| 10:53.28 | ewanm89 | nobody96: I prefer X as quemu has a problem with the mouse calibration app. |
| 10:54.03 | nobody96 | its fixed i think |
| 10:54.31 | nobody96 | didnt get an error |
| 10:54.45 | nobody96 | but i get a lot others :) |
| 10:56.18 | nobody96 | the cli output in qemu isnt verbose enough to get an error liked to an app |
| 10:56.30 | nobody96 | but unter x there are a lot errors depending on x |
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| 11:00.04 | ewanm89 | the problem with the app is it starts by default but qemu can't simulate the touchpad and so it can't be used. |
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| 11:03.00 | balrog-kun | that was not a qemu problem, but it's fixed already anyway |
| 11:03.55 | ewanm89 | O good. |
| 11:04.03 | ewanm89 | s/O/Oh |
| 11:06.27 | buz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=726&num=4 we should have a neo survivor ;) |
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| 11:11.37 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2209 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/buttonactions.c: openmoko-panel-mainmenu: set display backlight |
| 11:11.57 | webjames | buz, that's pretty amazing, although it's just really a waterproof case around the drive, you could build one for the neo, or maybe use an adapted waterproof camera housing |
| 11:12.06 | buz | yeah |
| 11:12.07 | Kensan | mickey|fic: About bug #599: The ":="-Operater does not fix the problem for me. I just tried to rebuild... This might be a stupid question but why do you need an assignement statement? |
| 11:13.07 | mickey|fic | dunno, this particular line originates not from me |
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| 11:14.39 | Kensan | koen: PFPU? |
| 11:16.16 | koen | yes |
| 11:16.54 | Kensan | koen: can you explain to me why the export is needed? |
| 11:17.13 | koen | TARGET_FPU isn't exported to the shell by default |
| 11:17.39 | koen | (empirically tested) |
| 11:18.05 | Kensan | koen: ic. So there is no other way to export that var to the shell? Your fix is basically using a "temp" variable. |
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| 11:18.31 | koen | you could fidget with export flags in base.bbclass iirc |
| 11:18.42 | koen | but since python makes my eyes bleed... |
| 11:19.16 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2210 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/buttonactions.c: openmoko-panel-mainmenu: add some more debug |
| 11:19.51 | Sup3rkiddo | is there a mailing list where i get all the commit logs? |
| 11:19.59 | mickey|fic | ya |
| 11:20.04 | mickey|fic | openmoko-commits IIRC |
| 11:20.15 | Sup3rkiddo | ok lemme check |
| 11:20.39 | Kensan | koen: Ok thanks. I will take a look around. I don't like the temp var solution ;) |
| 11:20.57 | Sup3rkiddo | it is commit log |
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| 11:32.01 | Sup3rkiddo | oh dang..when i run qemu, am getting Bad magic number in a black screen...and exits without errors...oh and the splash screen isnt shown either |
| 11:41.27 | balrog-kun | please try flashing the kernel again |
| 11:43.56 | Sup3rkiddo | did that...no luck, |
| 11:43.59 | balrog-kun | everyone who updated qemu since yesterday needs to update the kernel loading address in their u-boot environment (or just reflash the whole thing using the script) |
| 11:44.17 | Sup3rkiddo | btw can anyone pastebin the default local.conf thanks |
| 12:09.05 | LuitvD | ewanm89_: the probe needs about 350 degrees celsius |
| 12:09.41 | LuitvD | most platinum probes can have 500 |
| 12:10.16 | SpeedEvil | cheap thermocouples will do that too |
| 12:11.37 | LuitvD | yeah... probably |
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| 12:15.05 | LuitvD | ewanm89_: a pic16f8** can store quite a bit of heat-profiles, so it's strong enough,,, all it needs to do is read out the probe, calculate what to do, and switch a relay at the right time |
| 12:16.46 | nobody96 | when openmoko is started up, where do i find a keyboard |
| 12:16.56 | nobody96 | using the touchscreen? |
| 12:17.10 | LuitvD | should be a button... |
| 12:17.50 | nobody96 | in the upper left? |
| 12:17.53 | nobody96 | this button is gone |
| 12:20.22 | Sup3rkiddo | balrog-kun, "make flash-qemu-local" doesnt solve that problem |
| 12:23.08 | balrog-kun | strange |
| 12:23.31 | balrog-kun | maybe we lost compatibility with MokoMakefile again |
| 12:23.51 | Sup3rkiddo | openmoko/flash.sh: line 88: 3068 Terminated ( sleep $2; kill $pid; sleep 1; kill -KILL $pid ) |
| 12:23.51 | Sup3rkiddo | openmoko/flash.sh: line 129: 3071 Terminated ( sleep $2; kill $pid |
| 12:24.09 | balrog-kun | this is okay |
| 12:24.13 | Sup3rkiddo | does this suggest something.? |
| 12:24.22 | balrog-kun | part of the process :) |
| 12:24.58 | Sup3rkiddo | ok..i will reflash without the makefile.. |
| 12:26.36 | balrog-kun | um, nope, gonna try later (when the torrent finishes) :p |
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| 12:34.29 | Sup3rkiddo | balrog-kun, didnt work..i happen to have all the fun.. |
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| 12:43.25 | ewanm89_ | LuitvD: I worked most of it out, I just needed to know the top temp we are looking at. |
| 12:43.40 | Kensan | koen: TARGET_FPU only gets exported when it is defined. In x86 it is an empty string. So IMHO removing the export statement is the "correct" solution after all. |
| 12:43.53 | LuitvD | ewanm89_: I guess you won't really need anything above 300 |
| 12:44.16 | LuitvD | ewanm89_: it's best to look at some reflow-specs in chip datasheets |
| 12:44.45 | ewanm89_ | The price increase from 200 degree probes to 300 is quite a lot. |
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| 12:57.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 600 has been created by philipp.zabel@gmail.com |
| 12:57.02 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-dialer hardcodes widget sizes |
| 12:57.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=600 |
| 13:01.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 601 has been created by philipp.zabel@gmail.com |
| 13:01.01 | cdbot2 | * * libmokoui hardcodes widget sizes |
| 13:01.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=601 |
| 13:02.15 | ewon | morning |
| 13:06.52 | Sup3rkiddo | gninrom |
| 13:06.57 | SpeedEvil | I wonder why people do that to wikis. |
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| 13:18.00 | Kensan | Stefan_Schmidt: see bugzilla for some updated info on bug #599. |
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| 13:40.19 | kiney | counter |
| 13:40.19 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 45%) P1: 4 days 11:09:50 (4.465±4.5 days) (1428;227) |
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| 14:15.34 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Introduction/it]] [[OpenMoko/it]] [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973/it]] [[Current_events]] |
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| 14:56.35 | daxxar | counter? |
| 14:56.36 | aloril | "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 45%) P1: 4 days 10:31:42 (4.439±4.4 days) (1429;227) |
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| 14:58.48 | _llll_ | '/msg aloril counter' gives exactly the same thing tho.. |
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| 15:07.33 | mmp | _llll_: try /msg aloril counter? |
| 15:07.45 | mmp | (with question mark at the end) |
| 15:08.41 | _llll_ | ah, needs the "?". |
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| 15:16.25 | buz | what use is it to have a probability of less than 45% in a guess? |
| 15:17.46 | SpeedEvil | None - without what that guess applies to. |
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| 15:35.21 | mmp | buz: well, from 100 actions with similar probability, 45 should actually happen:) |
| 15:35.32 | mmp | But I don't think there is much more use of that:) |
| 15:35.40 | buz | i know how probabilities work |
| 15:35.48 | mmp | I was just joking:) |
| 15:35.54 | buz | i just dont think guesses with less than 50% probability are very usefu |
| 15:36.22 | mmp | I guess it's just "but really, don't take this number seriously" |
| 15:36.24 | guaqua | neither is guessing in general |
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| 15:52.31 | webjames | hi |
| 15:53.24 | SpeedEvil | Hello. |
| 15:54.11 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 15:54.14 | SpeedEvil | err - mischan. |
| 15:54.30 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
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| 15:56.21 | CoreDump|afk | SpeedEvil: =) |
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| 16:03.41 | webjames | nice.. |
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| 16:13.55 | mitsuhiko | is there a hardware change ongoing? |
| 16:14.23 | webjames | do you reckon neverputt, and neverball would be able to run on the neo? |
| 16:14.47 | SpeedEvil | mitsuhiko: in what sense? |
| 16:15.15 | SpeedEvil | look at the page Neo1973 on the wiki mitsuhiko. |
| 16:15.17 | mitsuhiko | SpeedEvil: someone told me that wifi should be in the next phase |
| 16:15.31 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 16:15.33 | Freed | it's 3d game, and not light 3d game |
| 16:15.34 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Look_%26_Feel]] [[Advanced_End-user/bg]] [[Date_%26_Time_Preview]] [[Wish_List_UserProfile_Geek]] [[Application_Developer]] [[Talk:Development_resources]] [[GSM_%26_GPRS_Connection_Status]] [[Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch]] [[Main_Page/ru]] and other changes |
| 16:15.39 | SpeedEvil | several month |
| 16:15.54 | mitsuhiko | ah |
| 16:16.08 | SpeedEvil | The first version - no wifi |
| 16:18.16 | mitsuhiko | SpeedEvil: well. i heard something similar in michaels presentation |
| 16:18.22 | mitsuhiko | just that it sounded like this will post 2007 |
| 16:18.27 | mitsuhiko | s/will/will be/ |
| 16:19.21 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 has the current info. |
| 16:20.27 | SpeedEvil | Also - there may be 'ret' before jump targets |
| 16:20.28 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 16:23.15 | noidd | sPEEDeVIL: I googled tubgirl and I want my eyes back |
| 16:23.39 | SpeedEvil | Sorry. |
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| 16:27.44 | CoreDump | noidd: hehe |
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| 16:31.24 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2211 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/buttonactions.c: openmoko-panel-mainmenu: use proper g_open flags, fix samplename |
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| 16:33.24 | noidd | spending the day making muppets |
| 16:33.32 | noidd | my TV show starts filming in 2 days |
| 16:33.34 | noidd | and I don' |
| 16:33.41 | noidd | don't have half the cast built yet |
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| 16:33.46 | zecke | mickeyl: hey |
| 16:33.53 | mickeyl | hi |
| 16:34.22 | SpeedEvil | Hi. |
| 16:35.00 | noidd | oh, you're due out to Tai Pai soon right? |
| 16:35.19 | noidd | whats it like out there? |
| 16:35.24 | noidd | I've always wanted to go to the far east |
| 16:35.37 | mickeyl | raining, 75% humidity |
| 16:35.49 | mickeyl | good food, nothing to worry about |
| 16:35.56 | zecke | mickeyl: and you are badly jet-lagged? |
| 16:36.26 | mickeyl | zecke: not that bad actually. having more or less catched up. i'm supertired now and it's 00:36, so that's ok |
| 16:36.38 | noidd | What you up to out there? |
| 16:36.43 | noidd | working weekend i'm sure :-P |
| 16:37.00 | mickeyl | sure thing. working two weeks w/ FIC and OpenMoko on things... |
| 16:37.31 | noidd | can you elaborate on "things" ? :-) |
| 16:37.38 | noidd | we guessed you were there with fic |
| 16:37.51 | noidd | :-) |
| 16:38.30 | noidd | "No" is an acceptable answer, we just have to ask |
| 16:38.51 | mickeyl | it'll be mainly working on structure and planning the next 12 months |
| 16:39.29 | noidd | PMs and budgets, bleugh |
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| 16:40.35 | Kensan | mickeyl: added some more info to bug #599. |
| 16:41.53 | mickeyl | k |
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| 16:55.59 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2212 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/buttonactions.c: openmoko-panel-mainmenu: fix thinko in brightness calculation and set sleep timeout to 5m |
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| 18:15.34 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Madjo]] [[User:Speedevil]] [[User:Alexpb]] [[User:Seba]] [[User:Minime]] [[Talk:Wishlist:context_based_to-do_list]] [[Talk:Wish_List]] [[Talk:Battery]] [[User:Richardb]] [[Wishlist:Determine_Position]] [[Talk:Neo1973_Battery]] and other changes |
| 18:18.54 | Vegar | wow |
| 18:19.01 | Vegar | lots of spam and vandalism in the wiki |
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| 18:23.59 | SpeedEvil | Who's the person who actually runs the wiki server? |
| 18:24.35 | CoreDump|home | maybe LaF0rge? |
| 18:24.44 | buz | one of the germans i'd guess |
| 18:24.46 | SpeedEvil | Hmm - found the wikiadmins page |
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| 18:25.14 | k|to | counter? |
| 18:25.14 | aloril | "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 45%) P1: 4 days 08:47:23 (4.366±4.4 days) (1430;228) |
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| 18:46.13 | webjames | Hello! |
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| 18:47.36 | SpeedEvil | Hello again. |
| 18:48.25 | LuitvD | hello |
| 18:48.28 | LuitvD | counter |
| 18:48.28 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 45%) P1: 4 days 08:35:46 (4.358±4.4 days) (1431;228) |
| 18:48.55 | k|to | 4 days from... never! |
| 18:49.17 | LuitvD | four days from graduation :D |
| 18:49.23 | SpeedEvil | The counter is basically held in not very wide esteem. |
| 18:49.23 | LuitvD | (or whatever it's called) |
| 18:49.30 | LuitvD | (end of high school) |
| 18:49.39 | k|to | yep, graduation |
| 18:49.50 | SpeedEvil | 'Entry into the dreary world of work'? |
| 18:49.57 | LuitvD | would be a nice graduation gift then... :) |
| 18:51.11 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: yeah, ah well... already have working experience |
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| 19:59.29 | webjames | does anyone know if openmoko will be compatible with the Touch? the processor is "OMAP850 running at 201Mhz" |
| 19:59.42 | SpeedEvil | It depends. |
| 20:00.05 | SpeedEvil | You not only need processor to be supported by GCC. |
| 20:00.07 | webjames | the res. is pretty poor to: 240 x 320 pixels |
| 20:00.08 | Vegar | HTC Touch? |
| 20:00.16 | webjames | Vegar: yes |
| 20:00.22 | SpeedEvil | You also need the hardware to have linux drivers. |
| 20:00.38 | SpeedEvil | Or write them. |
| 20:00.54 | webjames | 64MB RAM and 128MB Flash |
| 20:01.15 | webjames | ahh, so i think that's a no, i guess the hardware is a little skimpy anyway |
| 20:01.47 | webjames | i found my info at: http://www.clieuk.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?threadid=11846 if anyone is interested |
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| 20:02.44 | balrog-kun | webjames: the interface and all the programs will be compatible, but you need a working kernel for that device |
| 20:03.01 | balrog-kun | and yes, the resolution will make OpenMoko look rather ugly |
| 20:03.21 | webjames | gives you an idea of how kick-ass the neo's screen is: 2.8 inches @ 240 x 320 pixels |
| 20:03.38 | webjames | balrog-kun: yeah, i doubt if it is worth the effort |
| 20:04.44 | Vegar | I wonder how text input is done on the iphone if it doesn't have a stylus |
| 20:04.50 | cjb | Vegar: fingers |
| 20:04.57 | webjames | and slowly... |
| 20:04.58 | cjb | Vegar: watch the video ads |
| 20:05.20 | Vegar | ok |
| 20:05.23 | webjames | i bet some people have problems with that |
| 20:05.27 | Vegar | are the ads on youtube? |
| 20:05.34 | balrog-kun | iPhone has no stylus and no buttons? just like Neo? |
| 20:05.41 | webjames | i wonder if the screen scratching problem they had with the nano will happen again? |
| 20:05.41 | [lankester] | simple question, i saw on the wiki than they found a open wifi chipset, do the neo 1972 will have wifi or we'll have to wait for the next phone ? |
| 20:05.42 | aloril | P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K): http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-April/000012.html http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F (WiFi status for P1.5 will be known for sure when P1 becomes available and also what kind of discount for P1.5 is given for P1 buyers) |
| 20:05.57 | [lankester] | ohh |
| 20:05.59 | [lankester] | thx aloril |
| 20:06.49 | [lankester] | so p1 will be available "soon" and 1.5 will follow with hopefully wifi support |
| 20:06.54 | webjames | aloril is always quick with the info! :) |
| 20:07.05 | SpeedEvil | webjames: you put a screen protector on it. |
| 20:07.39 | webjames | SpeedEvil: yeah, but i bet it would come of |
| 20:07.49 | webjames | the screen is flush with the body |
| 20:09.03 | webjames | what happened to the 'today' screen? or the 'Home' screen? |
| 20:09.10 | SpeedEvil | webjames: on what? |
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| 20:09.52 | SpeedEvil | webjames: It's not. You can trivally take off the case, and place it behind the case, so it can't come off. |
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| 20:16.34 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_compatible_cellphone_providers/it]] [[Talk:Sound_/_Recording_Preview]] [[Category:ToDo]] [[Press_Coverage/it]] [[Dbus_device_API]] [[Wishlist:3D_Viewport]] [[Talk:Help_Viewer]] [[Action_Button]] [[User_talk:Werner]] [[User_talk:HaraldWelte]] and other changes |
| 20:17.16 | miip | P1.5 is GTA02 release for developers? |
| 20:18.46 | mjr | miip, yes |
| 20:19.31 | miip | and it is scheduled for Q3 ? |
| 20:19.52 | mjr | I'm not sure if it's really scheduled anywhere at this time |
| 20:20.54 | miip | hmm well we will see :) |
| 20:27.58 | [lankester] | so if we are an user and a possible dev .. our best move for playing with an openmoko phone is to order P1 |
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| 20:28.28 | mjr | that would be advisable if you want one in the hopefully near future |
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| 20:30.35 | [lankester] | thx :) |
| 20:30.51 | [lankester] | and having a new linux device is always something I want in a near future |
| 20:36.09 | LuitvD | aloril: smart trigger on lankester :P |
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| 20:57.17 | miip | why is it called GTAxx BTW? ;) |
| 20:57.41 | SpeedEvil | The designers were a fan of Grand Theft Auto. |
| 20:59.44 | [lankester] | actually if it's true, it still a better reason than all the name convention that nvidia and ati came off |
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| 21:04.19 | Stephmw | ... or just about any names chosen by management, ever |
| 21:04.33 | Stephmw | internal codenames always seem so.... ill thought ou |
| 21:04.34 | Stephmw | *out |
| 21:04.40 | tozer | any help for unlocking an L7? |
| 21:04.41 | aloril | Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (link to FAQ in wiki) |
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| 21:06.28 | tozer | ? |
| 21:06.45 | Stephmw | not sure what an L7 is |
| 21:07.05 | tozer | a motorolla phone... |
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| 21:07.55 | Stephmw | ah, no, not come across it - someone else may |
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| 21:25.24 | LuitvD | damn, the bad weather doesn't miss us this time... |
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| 21:25.43 | SpeedEvil | Supertornado? |
| 21:25.46 | LuitvD | badass lightning and hailstorm |
| 21:25.56 | SpeedEvil | Good luck! |
| 21:26.08 | LuitvD | lightning with soundpressure waves |
| 21:28.21 | LuitvD | lightning: http://buienradar.nl/h.aspx?jaar=-3&soort=loop1uur_bliksem |
| 21:28.24 | LuitvD | hail: http://buienradar.nl/h.aspx?jaar=-3&soort=hagel |
| 21:30.00 | SpeedEvil | LuitvD: Fun. |
| 21:30.26 | SpeedEvil | The radar reflection goes something like the seventh power of the droplet size though. |
| 21:30.57 | SpeedEvil | It can be very misleading - small changes in droplet size mean large differences in refelctivity |
| 21:31.10 | LuitvD | BANG |
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| 21:31.18 | LuitvD | damn, that was LOUD |
| 21:31.38 | LuitvD | sounded like those lawine fireworks |
| 21:31.44 | LuitvD | what's that called... |
| 21:31.52 | LuitvD | half a kilometer away |
| 21:31.56 | LuitvD | :S |
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| 21:32.52 | Elrond | Good evening people. |
| 21:33.19 | Elrond | Neo in vienna: Neo + windows: Does not work; Neo + freebsd: works. |
| 21:38.03 | Stephmw | Elrond: heya |
| 21:45.38 | Elrond | Hi Stephmw! :-) |
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| 22:15.34 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_compatible_cellphone_providers]] [[Talk:USB_DFU]] [[Neo1973_compatible_cellphone_providers/it]] [[System_Info]] [[GPS_Connection_Status]] [[Talk:Using_Subversion]] [[Talk:Stylus]] [[Talk:Call_Preview]] [[Talk:Stylus_Scrolling]] and other changes |
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| 23:03.14 | _ASK | no windows support? |
| 23:03.31 | cjb | what do you mean by windows support? |
| 23:03.57 | _ASK | <Elrond>Neo in vienna: Neo + windows: Does not work; Neo + freebsd: works. |
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| 23:07.33 | pavelm | hello, everyone. |
| 23:07.59 | pavelm | I successfully created my debian chroot... works perfectly on zaurus and fails with illegal instruction on openmoko. Bad :-( |
| 23:08.25 | borg_ | counter |
| 23:08.25 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 45%) P1: 4 days 06:25:47 (4.268±4.3 days) (1432;229) |
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| 23:09.24 | pavelm | Is it possible that even long press of power button does not poewr fic down properly? My battery was drained today (again) when it should not have been. |
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| 23:10.05 | Elrond | pavelm - Yes. |
| 23:10.28 | Elrond | pavelm - See http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=482 |
| 23:11.02 | pavelm | elrond: Thanks and hi! |
| 23:11.14 | Elrond | Yeah, Hi! |
| 23:12.00 | Elrond | _ASK - Well, I tried to fixup the .inf for the neo, but that did not get it to load properly on windows. Something "error 10". No idea, what's going wrong there. |
| 23:12.05 | pavelm | elrond: Hmm, I'd say there's more than that. Short press of power button after long press seems to blink the screen with previous image, and _then_ it is down. |
| 23:12.21 | pavelm | elrond: Any luck with pygtk? ;-) |
| 23:12.44 | Elrond | pavelm - I arrived at home about 3 hours ago. My box is on for one hour now. ;-) |
| 23:13.55 | Elrond | pavelm - At least I succeeded in ssh-ing into Neo via usb from a freebsd box. ;o) |
| 23:14.21 | Elrond | (and got BT to work a little... major result: The BT on the neo doesn't have large range.) |
| 23:14.50 | pavelm | elrond: I got bt to connect zaurus and neo on the go... that way I have usable keyboard for my gps ;-) |
| 23:18.17 | Elrond | pavelm - hehe. :-)) |
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| 23:18.41 | Elrond | pavelm - I don't have a zaurus or anything else with BT (and a keyboard) |
| 23:19.18 | Elrond | Oh, other result: |
| 23:19.28 | Elrond | Using openmoko-keyboard on the train is NO fun. |
| 23:19.48 | Elrond | It took me about 15mins to power up the BT ;o) |
| 23:19.56 | CoreDump|home | s/on the train// |
| 23:20.24 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - Well, on a normal desk it is semi-usable. |
| 23:20.43 | CoreDump|home | all on-screen keyboards suck by definition ;) |
| 23:20.56 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - I saw Rince using it. He did "/etc/init.d/gsm start" very quickly. |
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| 23:21.29 | CoreDump|home | imagine how quick he'd be w/ a real kbd ;) |
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| 23:22.50 | adhoc_ | the onscreen keyboad on the handspring was quite usable, and icould get about 20 WPM out of it |
| 23:23.01 | adhoc_ | sux to code on ... |
| 23:23.27 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - Well, I can imagine. :) |
| 23:24.38 | Elrond | Anyway: Good night people. :) |
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| 23:33.55 | pavelm | elrond: Using openmoko-keyboard is no fun, period. |
| 23:34.02 | pavelm | elrond: But I guess it sucks badly on train. |
| 23:34.07 | pavelm | elrond: good night. |
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| 23:51.52 | rwhitby | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-May/000289.html <- Ubuntu getting in bed with Intel. Not a bad thing in itself, but it means that the Ubuntu mobile and embedded project will probably focus around the processor in the intel mobile internet devices only. |
| 23:58.24 | happycube | yeah |
| 23:58.39 | happycube | it lookgs like a maemoish port to MIDs |