| 00:00.10 | k|to | I start a new robotics research project in the morning |
| 00:00.12 | k|to | 'nite all |
| 00:01.09 | Elrond | Good night k|to |
| 00:01.33 | Elrond | Huh... looks like k|to is in germany? |
| 00:01.42 | k|to | at the moment yes |
| 00:01.48 | k|to | for this research project |
| 00:01.52 | Elrond | Ahh. |
| 00:03.13 | Elrond | Good night people. :-) |
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| 00:12.13 | empty_mind | good morning |
| 00:12.49 | pdinoto | morning there! (9pm here :-) |
| 00:15.35 | empty_mind | 6 am here |
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| 00:33.59 | sixfeet__ | counter |
| 00:33.59 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: a week, 2 days 11:26:00 (9.476±6.0 days) (1394;222) |
| 00:45.21 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[ChangeLog]] |
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| 01:02.53 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: Where are you? (country) |
| 01:12.16 | aevin | I think he's from Rivendell. |
| 01:13.10 | aevin | (.ri) |
| 01:15.02 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 01:16.03 | aevin | let's hope Seans reads it before making GTA03 |
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| 02:38.42 | daMaestro | anyone know what kind of "discount" will be given to someone that wants to hack on openmoko and will buy their phase one device? |
| 02:39.04 | daMaestro | i've read there should be discounts for developers and people that buy the phase 1 device |
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| 02:40.46 | SpeedEvil | not specified |
| 02:41.00 | daMaestro | ok |
| 02:42.27 | SpeedEvil | It was said way back that there will be some discount, but this has bever been specified. |
| 02:43.24 | daMaestro | well, basically i've been working on a similar device.... similar to the proposed phase 2 device |
| 02:43.36 | daMaestro | so i am going to get one and start hacking all my bits into openmoko |
| 02:43.37 | SpeedEvil | Fun. |
| 02:43.41 | SpeedEvil | Opensource? |
| 02:43.45 | daMaestro | yup |
| 02:43.51 | SpeedEvil | greenphone? |
| 02:43.54 | daMaestro | nope |
| 02:44.08 | SpeedEvil | url |
| 02:44.10 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 02:44.13 | daMaestro | nope |
| 02:44.14 | daMaestro | lol |
| 02:44.25 | daMaestro | it has been behind closed doors kinda thing |
| 02:44.32 | SpeedEvil | Suspected so. |
| 02:44.40 | SpeedEvil | Intended for mass produciton? |
| 02:44.54 | daMaestro | the mobile aspect had not even hit a hardware spec, so i'm going to just use the Neo1973 |
| 02:44.56 | daMaestro | yes, it is |
| 02:46.16 | SpeedEvil | Fun. intending to run OM - or something else on the mass produced ones? |
| 02:51.48 | daMaestro | it is intended to be a mobile corporate communications device |
| 02:51.53 | daMaestro | similar to what the blackberry has come to be |
| 02:51.57 | daMaestro | but the blackberry sucks |
| 02:52.05 | SpeedEvil | Just slightly :) |
| 02:52.48 | SpeedEvil | Some well designed security model would be nice for OM - lock employees phones in specified ways. |
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| 03:05.43 | daMaestro | +1 |
| 03:06.58 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_UserProfile_Employee for example |
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| 03:33.54 | daMaestro | so, SpeedEvil, when can i spend $350 |
| 03:33.55 | daMaestro | ? |
| 03:34.10 | SpeedEvil | The first batch of phones is in QA |
| 03:34.16 | SpeedEvil | who knows. |
| 03:34.30 | SpeedEvil | Maybe a couple of weeks. Maybe a week. |
| 03:35.16 | daMaestro | are you a core dev? |
| 03:35.52 | SpeedEvil | No |
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| 03:36.43 | daMaestro | i'm very interested in doing dev stuff on OM |
| 03:37.00 | daMaestro | it will take about 6 months off my R&D for a few things I have been working on |
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| 03:37.29 | daMaestro | do you have a link to info on what OM provides, what kernel version, python, gcc? etc? |
| 03:38.14 | SpeedEvil | The wiki - software |
| 03:38.20 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/ |
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| 04:30.36 | poffy | counter |
| 04:30.37 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: a week, 2 days 07:29:23 (9.312±6.0 days) (1395;223) |
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| 04:36.04 | mwester | the counter... what a fascinating study in human nature -- how hope and optimism override repeated experience... |
| 04:37.51 | poffy | hehe |
| 04:38.30 | poffy | I've been gone for awhile, so I was hoping to get a quick update on progress |
| 04:38.37 | poffy | I want to work on this thing so bad |
| 04:46.21 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Text_Input]] |
| 04:47.04 | aloril | mwester: hehe |
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| 04:47.31 | wehttamb | counter |
| 04:47.31 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: a week, 2 days 07:12:28 (9.300±6.0 days) (1396;223) |
| 04:49.47 | daMaestro | is anyone here US based? |
| 04:49.59 | daMaestro | do we know the device to work on the GSM providers in the US? |
| 04:51.04 | daMaestro | it seems tmobile and att should support the device, i'll most likely get a P1 device with some prepay GSM access to do dev work on; or am i being too optimistic about the support of this device by us carriers? |
| 04:51.04 | mwester | GSM is GSM. FCC certification has been applied for; that's probably the bigger of the problems for the US market IFAIK |
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| 05:05.06 | daMaestro | does anyone know if there is support for bluetooth keyboard/mouse or other input device |
| 05:05.12 | daMaestro | such as headsets, etc |
| 05:11.08 | roh | daMaestro ofcourse there is support |
| 05:11.49 | roh | or better will be, bluez (the bluetooth-stack) supports already a lot of devices and on others there is beeing worked on |
| 05:12.01 | daMaestro | ok, good; so i should be able to use ssh? (and a nice bluetooth keyboard) |
| 05:12.17 | roh | jepp |
| 05:12.29 | daMaestro | what about bluez-alsa? |
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| 05:13.22 | roh | daMaestro i dunno which exact piece of code will be the solution, but yeah. there will be a2dp as well as sco support |
| 05:13.34 | daMaestro | cool |
| 05:13.42 | daMaestro | hopefully no shitty broadcom chipsets |
| 05:14.15 | daMaestro | they have some nasty bluetooth chipsets; i really, really hate them |
| 05:16.24 | daMaestro | Manufacturer: Cambridge Silicon Radio (10) ... good |
| 05:19.39 | roh | yep. its also connected via i2s to the audiocodec |
| 05:22.43 | daMaestro | nice |
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| 06:46.21 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:Csdexter]] |
| 06:49.41 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:03.08 | Rince | hiho LaF0rge ;) |
| 07:03.13 | Rince | and good morning |
| 07:03.23 | LaF0rge | hi rince |
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| 07:55.43 | hrw | http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=3415 |
| 07:56.14 | sannes | LaF0rge: received any batches to do QA on yet? :P |
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| 07:57.31 | daMaestro | hrw, will OM run on that device? |
| 07:58.46 | hrw | maybe one day |
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| 08:34.21 | Vitaly | counter |
| 08:34.21 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: a week, 2 days 03:25:38 (9.143±6.0 days) (1398;224) |
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| 08:42.33 | TRIsoft | morning |
| 08:46.24 | hrw | hi Mac |
| 08:46.49 | TRIsoft | hi Marcin |
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| 08:59.07 | LuitvD | lol, the FIC Neo1973 can still beat the iPhone :) |
| 09:00.12 | ecraven | counter |
| 09:00.12 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: a week, 2 days 02:59:47 (9.125±6.0 days) (1399;224) |
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| 09:06.00 | ecraven | so p1+ will be the same hardware as p2? |
| 09:06.20 | hrw | yes |
| 09:07.27 | ecraven | very good :) then i can at last get one! |
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| 09:10.27 | LuitvD | iPhone release is the 29th |
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| 09:10.54 | LuitvD | hopefully, P1+ is nearing completion for mass production by then... |
| 09:11.03 | LuitvD | but I don't think I should be that optimistic |
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| 09:30.20 | hrw | LuitvD: it is |
| 09:30.36 | hrw | p1+ == gta02 == 20 phones currently |
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| 09:36.20 | LuitvD | hrw: really? :O |
| 09:36.21 | LuitvD | damn |
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| 09:55.41 | LuitvD | hrw: I hope the 'first prototypes > mass market' time of GTA-02 isn't as long as the Bv4 's |
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| 11:11.24 | richard_ | Hi, can I use the usbnet to access web site? |
| 11:12.22 | woglinde | ????? |
| 11:12.24 | xkr47 | yeah |
| 11:12.44 | woglinde | what has usbnet to do with html? |
| 11:12.59 | xkr47 | woglinde, don't overcomplexify a simple question :) |
| 11:13.01 | richard_ | I mean use the browser |
| 11:13.10 | xkr47 | it's perfectly easy to extract what he wants to know |
| 11:13.26 | xkr47 | richard_, sure |
| 11:13.35 | woglinde | xkr47 the past shows that will be not the only question |
| 11:13.39 | richard_ | sorry, since i can't ping other host except my machine |
| 11:13.53 | xkr47 | richard_, it gives you network connection exactly like wlan or ethernet or adsl or gsm data.. |
| 11:14.14 | xkr47 | woglinde, so how do your counter-question help ?-) |
| 11:14.55 | woglinde | richard you have problems to setup usbnet? |
| 11:14.58 | xkr47 | it only moves the discussion off track and does generates either even more questions or makes the user tired until |
| 11:15.01 | xkr47 | s/until// |
| 11:15.06 | mjr | richard_, sounds like a lack of default route on the Moko side |
| 11:15.12 | hrw | richard_: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/03/22/hotpluging-usbnet/ |
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| 11:16.02 | mjr | and/or lack of routing/natting on the host side etc... |
| 11:16.02 | richard_ | ok, thanks, let me have a look |
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| 11:38.17 | SrRaven | saw a nice iphone commercial this morning,hope the openmoko will be comparable :O |
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| 11:43.18 | mmp | Hello, I just read threads about tactile feedback in community@lists.openmoko.org - wouldn't help something like http://www.immersion.com/industrial/touchscreen/ ? |
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| 11:52.08 | Plasma_GR | so the phase 1 phones will be out on late december or something? (sarcasm, no offence) |
| 11:52.35 | Plasma_GR | im waiting for the atheros chip one |
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| 12:02.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 589 has been created by sven-openmoko@sven.de |
| 12:02.01 | cdbot2 | * * HTML Tags in email notification |
| 12:02.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=589 |
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| 12:41.59 | LuitvD | good morning? |
| 12:42.08 | mickeyl | absolutely |
| 12:42.11 | LuitvD | hehe |
| 12:42.31 | mickeyl | LinuxTag was so exhausting I had to sleep a bit longer today |
| 12:42.51 | LuitvD | won't call it 'a bit' :P |
| 12:43.03 | LuitvD | thought I slept long this morning... :P |
| 12:43.05 | hrw | mickeyl: next year I will probably be on LT too |
| 12:43.42 | SpeedEvil | So P1+ = GTA2 = release in september? |
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| 12:44.12 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: device P1+ == device P2 |
| 12:44.16 | SpeedEvil | Or is it to be released before then, just not to end users. Or has September been delayed |
| 12:44.35 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: release P1+ != release P2 |
| 12:44.36 | LuitvD | afaik |
| 12:45.23 | LuitvD | release P1+ is as soon as the mass production of the hardware is running well (i guess) and P2 is as soon as the software is somewhat 'end-user ready' |
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| 12:51.23 | mickeyl | september release for gta02 is very unlikely |
| 12:51.41 | mickeyl | we always wanted to have 6 months between p1 and p2 |
| 12:51.53 | mickeyl | it looks like p1 now really starts in june |
| 12:51.59 | hrw | mickeyl: and iirc gta02 is now only 20 phones... |
| 12:52.01 | guaqua | december :F |
| 12:52.27 | mickeyl | hrw: i think 2... but even those don't count given the list of PCB changes that have already accumulated |
| 12:53.20 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: Will a full datasheet for the accellerator be available? Because a partially used accellerator would be really annoying. |
| 12:54.00 | hrw | or 9.71? |
| 12:54.21 | SrRaven | 9.8m/s² |
| 12:54.26 | SrRaven | is the gravity of earth |
| 12:54.44 | guaqua | 9,80665 m/s² |
| 12:54.46 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: i don't know, but OM policy has been to not build in unfree components |
| 12:54.59 | mickeyl | except that GL thing cough |
| 12:55.02 | mickeyl | but even that may change |
| 12:55.04 | guaqua | but depends on where on earth you are ;) |
| 12:55.13 | mickeyl | bbiab, brewing coffee |
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| 12:56.24 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure that I actually want an accellerator, if it adds to cost, and doesn't increase battery life when not being used as an accellerator. |
| 12:57.21 | mickeyl | it might actually increase battery life |
| 12:57.25 | mickeyl | overall |
| 12:57.37 | guaqua | huh= |
| 12:57.38 | guaqua | ? |
| 12:57.51 | SpeedEvil | Do you mean it can do stuff like outputting over internal framebuffer when CPU off? |
| 12:57.56 | SpeedEvil | Or in slow mode |
| 12:58.03 | mickeyl | something like that |
| 12:58.13 | SpeedEvil | That would be worthwhile. |
| 12:58.15 | mjr | yeah, that would be nice |
| 12:58.25 | mjr | gotta love more battery life |
| 12:58.30 | Vegar | mickeyl: when you say six months between P1 and P2, do you imply that P1.5 is out of the picture? |
| 12:58.33 | mickeyl | or given the fact that the GPU's operation may be cheaper than doing the same via CPU |
| 12:58.34 | SpeedEvil | So the larger battery is for the wifi? |
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| 12:59.09 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: that pretty much presumes eye-candy interfaces, or movie playing though. |
| 12:59.23 | mickeyl | Vegar: not out of the picture. P1.5 is the moment, when GTA02 hardware is finished. Whether we start selling it at this point or just donate it to devels is NDY |
| 12:59.32 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: indeed ... |
| 12:59.35 | SpeedEvil | Can it be used for general purpose DSP? |
| 12:59.39 | Vegar | ok |
| 12:59.56 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: unfortunately not. We would love to have a GP DSP in future models |
| 13:00.06 | SpeedEvil | For example, mp3 decoding to system RAM, and the CPU throws it to the A/D |
| 13:00.06 | mickeyl | finding an open one is very hard thgouh |
| 13:00.27 | SpeedEvil | the TI OMAP series looks interesting. If only the main CPU was a little faster. |
| 13:00.35 | SpeedEvil | The newer ones. |
| 13:01.09 | SpeedEvil | So it's probably not practical for a general purpose phone. |
| 13:01.18 | mmp | hmm, what about "edsp" in armv5te ? |
| 13:01.20 | SpeedEvil | As linux doesn't really understand two disparate CPUs. |
| 13:01.22 | buz | OMAP is pretty closed |
| 13:01.34 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't look closely. |
| 13:01.40 | mmp | although part of instruction set, might be able to speed up something.. |
| 13:01.51 | mjr | oo, Neo killer app on community list: "Someone wrote a programme that'll emit star wars light saber noises when you swing your laptop around. It'd be cool to have something like that for the openmoko. :) |
| 13:01.56 | Rince | *g* |
| 13:02.01 | buz | yeah that would rock |
| 13:02.20 | SpeedEvil | Probably not a core app :) |
| 13:02.32 | Plasma_GR | can it be integrated into the kernel? |
| 13:02.34 | mjr | and *bam*, Neo gets the Star Wars fan market |
| 13:02.53 | mmp | hmm, future models should be also capable of generating real light sabre |
| 13:03.08 | Plasma_GR | that would be useful |
| 13:03.20 | SpeedEvil | If you put it in Hardware:Wishlist - I'm moving it to unlikely :) |
| 13:03.42 | Plasma_GR | especially if you run out of fuel with your starfighter on sith's terratory... |
| 13:03.47 | buz | i'm not terribly i nfavor of using that on a laptop |
| 13:03.47 | buz | the hd will hate you |
| 13:03.50 | buz | (same as for smackbook features) |
| 13:04.30 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: I don't suppose you have any comparative ideas on weight? Has the larger battery made it heavier? |
| 13:05.33 | Plasma_GR | weight? who cares about the weight at all? |
| 13:05.40 | SpeedEvil | weight/size |
| 13:05.56 | guaqua | mjr: :D |
| 13:07.03 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: no idea, sorry. the only thing i've seen from gta02 is the PCB layout |
| 13:07.05 | mickeyl | which is sweeeeeeeeeeet |
| 13:07.12 | mickeyl | (compared to 01 which was outsourced *cough*) |
| 13:07.39 | Plasma_GR | uhm when somebody will buy a phone, all the money will cover the hardware and transport? or there is a small amount going to a specific company or person/s? |
| 13:07.43 | SpeedEvil | K. Which means very little to most, though can be beautiful to those who appreciate such things. |
| 13:07.45 | hrw | mickeyl: still same case? |
| 13:07.53 | SpeedEvil | Plasma_GR: all money goes to FIC |
| 13:07.59 | SpeedEvil | FIC then employ people. |
| 13:08.05 | Plasma_GR | dam, k |
| 13:08.09 | SpeedEvil | Who work on the core bits. |
| 13:08.18 | Plasma_GR | so the only thing we don't pay is the devs |
| 13:08.25 | mickeyl | hrw: yes, we're forced to use the same case for 02 |
| 13:08.28 | mickeyl | 03 will get a new case |
| 13:08.40 | Plasma_GR | they are getting paid with phones :) |
| 13:08.41 | SpeedEvil | Any phone company can leap in at any point and start making an OpenMoko compatible phone. |
| 13:09.06 | SpeedEvil | Some non-employed-by FIC devs get phones |
| 13:09.28 | hrw | mickeyl: let gta03 case be 1/2 of thickness |
| 13:09.40 | SpeedEvil | Only if the drop tests bear it out. |
| 13:09.53 | SpeedEvil | Oh - you don't mean 1/2 the wall thickness. |
| 13:10.04 | mickeyl | hrw: nod |
| 13:10.18 | hrw | mickeyl: now gta01 reminds brick ;( |
| 13:10.29 | SpeedEvil | And yes, I want it half the current size and weight, with a 5+1/2" disk drive slot. |
| 13:10.39 | happycube | lol |
| 13:10.54 | hrw | mickeyl: and if gta03 will lack keys then we will need to collect money for designer killer |
| 13:11.01 | guaqua | if the walls are too thin it resembles the phones you get for 100 euros |
| 13:11.02 | mjr | SpeedEvil, and it has to be 1541-compatible |
| 13:11.23 | SpeedEvil | guaqua: and more importantly may break when you drop it. |
| 13:11.29 | buz | will it give BJ while we're at it |
| 13:11.36 | guaqua | SpeedEvil: bad user experience :) |
| 13:11.37 | buz | (THAT would sell for sure) |
| 13:11.38 | SpeedEvil | Me too. |
| 13:11.46 | SpeedEvil | err - the ship comment. |
| 13:11.47 | hrw | mwester: me too |
| 13:11.49 | mjr | yes, give me p1 or give me death |
| 13:11.54 | mjr | or, on second thought |
| 13:11.57 | mjr | just give me p1 |
| 13:12.14 | happycube | are the chinese-made gta01's looking ok? |
| 13:12.14 | hrw | gnumeric, abiword looks ok |
| 13:12.28 | Plasma_GR | what does gta01 mean? |
| 13:12.33 | mickeyl | happycube: we'll test in 5 days |
| 13:12.35 | happycube | the first hardware revision |
| 13:12.36 | happycube | cool |
| 13:12.41 | Plasma_GR | k |
| 13:12.54 | happycube | gta02 has, afaik, a newer cpu, wifi, possibly? video acceleration |
| 13:13.03 | happycube | ^ mickeyl knows much more than me ;) |
| 13:13.12 | hrw | more flash too |
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| 13:13.20 | mickeyl | let me dig out that slide |
| 13:13.31 | hrw | mickeyl: there was no space for 1-4-8GB of nand? |
| 13:14.10 | hrw | mickeyl: GTA02 'the ipod^Wiphone killer' |
| 13:14.21 | mickeyl | :D |
| 13:14.26 | koen | jffs2 doesn't support >4GB |
| 13:14.30 | koen | 32bit pointers |
| 13:14.44 | guaqua | lvm! |
| 13:14.44 | koen | and you don't want to use jffs2 on >128MB anyway |
| 13:14.48 | hrw | koen: 2 partitions or yaffs |
| 13:14.49 | koen | logfs ftw |
| 13:15.07 | koen | hrw: I don't trust yaffs(2) |
| 13:15.12 | mjr | well, hopefully logfs will get stable sometime... |
| 13:15.21 | mickeyl | http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/IMG_8662-slide.JPG.html |
| 13:15.59 | mjr | 256 M internal flash on the GTA-02 seems an okay improvement, at least it'll fit a lot more "core" apps |
| 13:16.17 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: 2 or 3 axis accelerometer? |
| 13:16.20 | mjr | (crossing fingers for python) |
| 13:16.22 | happycube | microsd is dirt cheap now... costco in the us is selling 2gb of [slow] sandisk for $37 |
| 13:16.40 | SpeedEvil | I'd prefer a buried microSD slot. |
| 13:16.47 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: 2 individual, to get 3 axis |
| 13:16.49 | happycube | gta01 has one already ;) |
| 13:16.50 | SpeedEvil | Rather than as much flash as we can jam on. |
| 13:16.51 | mickeyl | iir |
| 13:16.53 | mickeyl | c |
| 13:17.19 | mjr | SpeedEvil, it would be handy |
| 13:17.21 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: Odd decision - I thought the AD thing used in the WII was cheapest. Maybe not I guess. |
| 13:17.31 | guaqua | mjr: i'm rooting for python aswell |
| 13:17.45 | happycube | since there's only one sensor in the wii it has some limitations |
| 13:18.13 | SpeedEvil | Exactly the same limitations as 2 2 axis accellerometers though. |
| 13:18.19 | SpeedEvil | Well - on a phone sized device. |
| 13:18.23 | happycube | gta02 sounds incredibly sweet |
| 13:18.45 | SpeedEvil | You can't do meaningful sums on the differences in accelleration between the two to extract angular rate or anything. |
| 13:18.52 | happycube | *nod* |
| 13:18.56 | Plasma_GR | do you have any idea of how will gta02 cost? |
| 13:19.17 | SpeedEvil | The only meaningful thing you might be able to do is to remove one axes of camera shake :) |
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| 13:22.13 | happycube | i agree - from what i hear of the iphone specs gta02 is a match (aside from flash space, but that's no big deal for me :) |
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| 13:22.30 | happycube | i wonder if iphone even has a graphics accelerator |
| 13:23.39 | happycube | it sounds like they're heavily using llvm on the arm |
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| 13:24.34 | guaqua | are there any ready solutions for doing stuff with the 3d accelerator? |
| 13:24.55 | guaqua | i.e. is there something that could be used straight away on the platform? |
| 13:25.28 | mjr | it would be nice to know if that's expected to feature opengl (me) acceleration from the get-go |
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| 13:25.35 | mjr | free, of course |
| 13:26.37 | mjr | but still, for now, p1 please :] |
| 13:27.10 | guaqua | :) |
| 13:27.15 | mickeyl | ya, one step after another. 02 is hold anyway until 01 MP works |
| 13:27.20 | mickeyl | s/hold/held/ |
| 13:27.51 | guaqua | what's MP in this context? |
| 13:27.58 | guaqua | platform? |
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| 13:32.37 | mickeyl | mass production |
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| 13:35.01 | happycube | i'm trying to decide if i've been osbourne effected on the gta01 or not ;) |
| 13:36.08 | happycube | with a 6-month gap, probably not |
| 13:37.41 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 13:37.55 | mickeyl | besides... i'm still positive we'll find something to reward the early adopters |
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| 13:39.48 | happycube | k |
| 13:39.51 | happycube | and cool :) |
| 13:40.08 | mickey|bbiab | bbiab |
| 13:40.20 | mickey|bbiab | electrician is here to move some power outlets before the kitchen arrives next week |
| 13:40.25 | mickey|bbiab | need to supervise that :D |
| 13:40.45 | parag0n | mickey|bbiab, is there any news on the runs that were meant to happen last week? |
| 13:41.10 | mickey|bbiab | no, we'll know next week, when we QA 10% of the production |
| 13:41.14 | mickey|bbiab | need to run now |
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| 13:43.47 | Herod2k | hi guys |
| 13:44.06 | mwester | mickey|bbiab: watch that electrician carefuly - the last one that worked on my kitchen opened a shared neutral, and blew out my UPS and my microwave oven. :( |
| 13:44.14 | Herod2k | how can i add a new language to the wiki? |
| 13:45.26 | Herod2k | if i write this {{Languages|Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973}} in the wiki i see the language bar, but how can i add a language to the language bar? |
| 13:45.58 | Herod2k | *languages bar |
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| 13:47.55 | balrog-kun | Herod2k: aiui if you start editing Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973/whatever, "whatever" will appear in the language bar for that page |
| 13:48.34 | Herod2k | no |
| 13:48.46 | Herod2k | i'have added /it page |
| 13:48.54 | Herod2k | but i don't see italian |
| 13:48.59 | Herod2k | in the languages bar |
| 13:49.41 | Herod2k | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973/it |
| 13:50.50 | balrog-kun | Herod2k: how about if you add {{Languages....}} in the /it page too? |
| 13:51.23 | balrog-kun | brb |
| 13:51.46 | Herod2k | yes i've just added the languages bar |
| 13:51.58 | Herod2k | but i don't see italian button |
| 13:52.23 | Herod2k | if you refresh the page now you can see the languages bar |
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| 13:53.31 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2146 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-base/ (files/session openmoko-session_svn.bb): oe/openmoko-base: delay playing the startup sound until most of the UI shows |
| 14:00.34 | Herod2k | balrog-kun, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Template:Languages |
| 14:00.39 | Herod2k | i found it |
| 14:01.35 | balrog-kun | Herod2k: cool |
| 14:01.55 | hena | haha |
| 14:02.00 | hena | MokoMakefile |
| 14:02.05 | hena | had to laugh |
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| 14:10.06 | jsheldon | in the OM changelog for 2007-03-06 I see something regarding "bitbake modifications" that put svn rev numbers in PR, does anyone know if/when that will be included in bitbake official? |
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| 14:11.03 | hrw | jsheldon: if their bitbake hacker will provide us nice patch for it... |
| 14:11.18 | hrw | now OM bitbake is .... fscking slow |
| 14:11.39 | jsheldon | hrw: ah, slow is bad |
| 14:11.46 | hrw | normal bitbake use cache during 2nd and next runs. OM bitbake is slow each time |
| 14:12.07 | jsheldon | hrw: but this change is something I've been trying to get working for myself |
| 14:12.20 | jsheldon | hrw: yikes, that's no good |
| 14:12.24 | hrw | jsheldon: I do not know how often you use bitbake but for me it is most used command and if I have to wait few minutes each time... |
| 14:12.54 | jsheldon | hrw: yeah that would have a significant impact |
| 14:14.28 | jsheldon | hrw: I wonder if this patch includes what I'm looking for http://people.openmoko.org/henryk/bitbake-1.6.6-om2.patch |
| 14:14.52 | jsheldon | hrw: I'll take a look |
| 14:14.53 | hrw | iirc yes |
| 14:15.02 | hrw | bitbake 1.6 is prehistoric now |
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| 14:18.24 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Usually Rivendell, but if that's too tiresome, I'm in germany. ;o) |
| 14:18.54 | Elrond | hrw - Doesn't openmoko prefer bitbake 1.6.*? |
| 14:19.23 | hrw | Elrond: just because 1.8 was not released at that time |
| 14:19.32 | Elrond | hrw - Ahh. |
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| 14:20.22 | hrw | and they hacked 1.6 so much that prefer to keep it as it works, then update to 1.8 (as this will also req update of OE) |
| 14:20.23 | Elrond | hmm, even Debian has bitbake 1.8.2 |
| 14:20.25 | Elrond | ... in testing. |
| 14:21.02 | Elrond | hrw - Ahh. I hope they once will unfreeze OE and bitbake... |
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| 14:21.56 | Elrond | Hi pavelm! |
| 14:21.58 | koen | hrw: and the OM bitbake can't do offline builds anymore |
| 14:22.33 | SpeedEvil | ->elrond |
| 14:23.08 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: Ah - was just that I've got a couple of 'free' SIMs I could have posted you if you were in UK. |
| 14:23.45 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Ahh. ;-)) |
| 14:25.10 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Well, if I actually manage to enter the shopping world in germany (which wont happen before next week, it shouldn't be that expensive to get one. But really, I do care more about the gps. ;) |
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| 14:26.42 | Kero | so... You haven't sold all P1s while I was on holiday :) |
| 14:27.09 | Elrond | koen - Huh? |
| 14:27.50 | koen | Elrond: it contacts all svn repos during parsing |
| 14:27.56 | koen | that's why it's so slow |
| 14:28.05 | Elrond | koen - *arg* |
| 14:29.01 | Elrond | I really should setup my box to be more restrictive on network connections. |
| 14:29.37 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 14:29.41 | pavelm | Hi, Elrond! |
| 14:29.59 | hrw | hi pavelm |
| 14:30.16 | pavelm | Hi, hrw. |
| 14:30.24 | pavelm | are the p1's actually on sale now |
| 14:30.25 | pavelm | ? |
| 14:30.30 | SpeedEvil | pavelm: no |
| 14:30.31 | hrw | not yet pavelm |
| 14:30.39 | SpeedEvil | Week or three? |
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| 14:30.59 | Elrond | I'd say at east two weeks. |
| 14:31.09 | Elrond | s/east/least |
| 14:31.15 | hrw | pavelm: no plans to write application which will give infos about GPS in readable format? |
| 14:31.23 | SpeedEvil | infos about GPS? |
| 14:31.45 | SpeedEvil | You can get NMEA out of the included binary. |
| 14:31.52 | SpeedEvil | Which can then be parsed by anything. |
| 14:32.02 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - he probably means "your current coordiantes"; "visible sats", that sort of fun. |
| 14:32.04 | hrw | SpeedEvil: for me NMEA is like binary |
| 14:32.16 | SpeedEvil | It's really easy to parse. |
| 14:32.19 | hrw | I cant parse NMEA without spec in other hand |
| 14:32.36 | Elrond | hrw - gpsd has client tools. |
| 14:32.52 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 14:32.53 | hrw | which expects stream from gpsd? |
| 14:32.54 | Elrond | hrw - Even a (x) gui thing, that shows the stas somehow. |
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| 14:33.22 | Elrond | hrw - I guess, you can point gpsd at the named pipe of gllin. |
| 14:33.52 | pavelm | hrw: Well... If I figure out how to do development for openmoko, I'll write now. |
| 14:34.20 | pavelm | hrw: I was hoping to get python / pygtk working, but that seems distant goal :-( |
| 14:34.40 | pavelm | hrw: grep GGA on nmea, it produces coordinates in very readable form. |
| 14:35.06 | pavelm | hrw: ...or it should be easy to cross-compile xgps. That even shows sattelites. |
| 14:35.27 | hrw | ok |
| 14:36.07 | SpeedEvil | http://pastehere.com/?btjkxo for example |
| 14:36.51 | hrw | thx |
| 14:37.12 | SpeedEvil | trivial awk script to output date/hour/decimal lat/long |
| 14:37.29 | hrw | if there is a fix |
| 14:39.11 | pavelm | hrw: If there's no fix, coordinates are simply missing from the output. |
| 14:39.21 | pavelm | hrw: but really, xgps is reasonable way to go. |
| 14:39.28 | kiney | counter |
| 14:39.40 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - xgps is quite handy. |
| 14:40.09 | njpatel | Hmm, the network seems to go down when the screensaver comes on in the latest build |
| 14:40.38 | pavelm | njpatel: Well, whole system seems to go down on phase0 hardware when screensaver comes ;-) |
| 14:41.35 | Elrond | pavelm - I have python on "my" P0 working. I use it to play binary fun with the gps chip. |
| 14:41.45 | njpatel | pavelm: ah, yes, sometimes its seems to come back up, but other times (like right now), I get a blicking cursor, taunting me :) |
| 14:42.45 | Elrond | Huh, screensaver works nicely for me. |
| 14:42.47 | Elrond | (on p0) |
| 14:43.14 | Elrond | pavelm - If my machine has nothing else to do, I'll build pygtk. ;-) |
| 14:45.11 | hena | are there any other openmoko irc channels? |
| 14:45.30 | mjr | there is the mostly-dead #openmoko-fi |
| 14:45.51 | pavelm | Elrond: Thanks :-) |
| 14:46.06 | pavelm | does the latest snapshot actually do calls? |
| 14:46.21 | pavelm | it plays some tune on X startup, but that's about it. It does not show signal. |
| 14:47.07 | Elrond | pavelm - We tried Rince's SIM at GPN. Which was PIN-lcked, and there was not much from the GUI to expect. |
| 14:48.34 | Elrond | BTW: Did anyone get the neo connected to a windows? |
| 14:48.39 | pavelm | ugh... the screensaver timeout is _way_ too low. Like "click contacts, and moko autosleeps before they are loaded" |
| 14:49.17 | Elrond | Okay.... Now I know, why I keep my old rootfs. ;) |
| 14:49.27 | Rince | *G* |
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| 14:50.44 | nnpiggy | counter |
| 14:50.48 | Elrond | BTW: If anyone near Darmstadt (or FFM) wants to try (or possibly toast) his SIM in a P0.... ;o) |
| 14:51.00 | Elrond | nnpiggy - aloril is offline. |
| 14:52.06 | nnpiggy | I see. Oh well. If we had a truely interested answer it would be all over this room :-). |
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| 14:53.29 | Elrond | nnpiggy - What do you mean? |
| 14:53.56 | Elrond | pavelm - If you want my python (pygtk later maybe) .ipk, just let me know |
| 14:54.11 | nnpiggy | I have friends who would like to buy hardware. |
| 14:54.38 | SpeedEvil | nnpiggy: going to be several weeks |
| 14:54.42 | SpeedEvil | maybe 2-3 |
| 14:54.49 | kiney | counter |
| 14:54.59 | kiney | ist the counter broken? |
| 14:54.59 | pavelm | Elrond: I'll wait for pygtk ;-) |
| 14:55.12 | hrw | aloril is not here kiney |
| 14:55.13 | Elrond | pavelm - Okay. :) |
| 14:55.13 | pavelm | elrond: I already got python to work, but that does not help with gui development. |
| 14:55.39 | Elrond | pavelm - Yeah. python works nicely on my p0. |
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| 14:56.09 | Elrond | I also compiled $EDITOR, so I can now "develop" via ssh on the phone. ;-) |
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| 14:56.45 | pavelm | elrond: I develop with scp... but writing programs in shell is bad, and having no usable ui is bad, too. |
| 14:56.58 | Elrond | Yeah. |
| 14:57.12 | Elrond | pavelm - Did you try nfs instead of scp? |
| 14:57.23 | pavelm | elrond: No, not yet. |
| 14:57.35 | Elrond | (that's on my list. Setting up nfs server on my desktop and mounting my devel tree on the phone) |
| 14:58.22 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2147 10/trunk/oe/packages/tasks/ (task-base.bb task-openmoko.bb): |
| 14:58.22 | CIA-24 | openmoko: oe/task-base: add to overlay and bump (as per hrw's request) |
| 14:58.22 | CIA-24 | openmoko: oe/task-openmoko: bump |
| 14:58.37 | pavelm | elrond: That should be doable. I did something like that with other embedded boards. |
| 14:59.28 | Elrond | mickey|bbiab - BTW: You saw the GUI bug on mb-desktop-2? |
| 15:01.28 | pavelm | ...I do not see the screensaver logic. Now it suspended one second after I clicked. |
| 15:01.35 | pavelm | ...anyway, I guess I'll have to go. |
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| 15:03.30 | Elrond | pavelm - Have a nice evening. :-) |
| 15:03.34 | Elrond | <-- getting home now. |
| 15:05.09 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2148 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/buttonactions.c: |
| 15:05.09 | CIA-24 | openmoko: openmoko-panel-mainmenu: disable pm until tslib-grab has been removed |
| 15:05.09 | CIA-24 | openmoko: (we're not getting any ts events) |
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| 15:12.55 | pavelm | bye, Elrond |
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| 15:24.47 | prpplague | koen: hehe s3c2442/400 based? |
| 15:24.51 | koen | and the my other neo on the next slide :) |
| 15:24.54 | prpplague | koen: i assume thats a typo |
| 15:25.04 | koen | prpplague: no, I still have gta01s |
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| 15:25.24 | prpplague | koen: no i mean in the slide, the gta-02 |
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| 15:25.42 | koen | I suspect s3c2442 at 400Mhz |
| 15:25.53 | drath | oh, nice |
| 15:26.17 | prpplague | koen: ahh |
| 15:27.16 | prpplague | koen: yea, the 2442 is going to drive up the production cost of the pcb but FIC probably has the resources for that |
| 15:28.58 | prpplague | koen: still wish someone at FIC would respond to emails regarding OEM versions of the neo series |
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| 15:29.03 | hrw | koen: why you think that this is your neo? |
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| 15:32.27 | koen | hrw: because I took those pictures :) |
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| 15:32.43 | hrw | ;) |
| 15:32.47 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:33.05 | koen | mickeyl asked for them a while back |
| 15:34.11 | hena | seems like this first version of openmoko is no too strict on anything |
| 15:34.21 | hena | or first versions |
| 15:36.16 | happycube | i could see the neo's main PCB - or something very similar - being a very useful embedded board |
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| 15:37.12 | happycube | gps+gprs = compact tracking system |
| 15:38.17 | prpplague | happycube: intergration as a industrial handheld with barcode and/or rfid |
| 15:38.24 | happycube | ooohyeah that too |
| 15:38.34 | hena | i don't really see a point in having both awk and sed in there |
| 15:38.44 | hena | but i guess sed isn't that big and it's popular |
| 15:38.46 | happycube | fedex and ups already use winmob units, afaik |
| 15:38.55 | prpplague | would need a bigger battery and a slightly large lcd, but otherwise you could use the main board |
| 15:39.48 | happycube | yeah - there are a lot of ways to (re)use it |
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| 15:42.11 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2149 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-base/ (openmoko-icon-theme-standard_svn.bb openmoko-session_svn.bb): |
| 15:42.11 | CIA-24 | openmoko: oe/openmoko-session: bump |
| 15:42.11 | CIA-24 | openmoko: oe/openmoko-icon-theme-standard: call gtk-icon-cache in postinst |
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| 15:44.04 | buz | esp when it can speak usb2 |
| 15:44.21 | buz | maybe even drop the gsm for that |
| 15:44.26 | buz | it would make nice little mini server |
| 15:44.43 | Vegar | or car computer |
| 15:44.58 | prpplague | buz: yea, oem version would be nice |
| 15:45.22 | prpplague | there are some nice 2410 based boards going to be available soon |
| 15:45.34 | buz | i'd much rather have a 2442 |
| 15:45.45 | buz | but a really cheap 2410 with sata woulod rock |
| 15:46.04 | buz | i wonder if you could turn the wifi neo into a wifi router |
| 15:46.18 | prpplague | buz: going to have a hard time finding a cheap 2442, 2440 maybe |
| 15:46.24 | prpplague | buz: 2410 with sata? why? |
| 15:46.45 | buz | NAS |
| 15:47.09 | koen | you want an IOP or Orion for that |
| 15:47.14 | prpplague | yea |
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| 15:47.25 | buz | for 100mbit the 2410 should do |
| 15:47.34 | prpplague | buz: s3c24xx isn't really designed for that |
| 15:47.46 | koen | maybe even an IXP |
| 15:47.54 | prpplague | buz: maybe a cirrus logic or IOP/IXP would be better |
| 15:53.42 | koen | if you use a cirrus cpu you get to lart brian austin as well |
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| 15:53.44 | buz | my first pc had a cirrus logic vga card |
| 15:53.45 | buz | i think these days qemu emulates that one ;) |
| 15:53.45 | amarsh04 | i'm still using a cirrus logic vga card |
| 15:53.45 | buz | yeah so do i, in kvm ;) |
| 15:54.44 | SpeedEvil | The 640*480 display relaxes it a bit. |
| 15:54.57 | amarsh04 | back soon... |
| 15:55.54 | Vegar | why not? |
| 15:56.11 | SpeedEvil | Done right - it could have benefits. |
| 15:56.18 | thomasg_ | the new openmoko video at google video is great |
| 15:56.28 | Vegar | link? |
| 15:56.34 | balrog-kun | because there was no mention of it anywhere in the design and i believe it would be useless and a waste of all kind of resources |
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| 15:56.52 | thomasg_ | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8574715471341709984 |
| 15:56.57 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: Done right - it could mean that you can turn the CPU to slow mode, and carry on displaying stuff. |
| 15:57.08 | Vegar | thanks |
| 15:57.28 | koen | balrog-kun: http://www.vanille-media.de/misc/openmoko-lt2007.pdf page 22 |
| 15:57.30 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: This can help a fair bit - as it means just scrolling through an ebook, the CPU can stay at 12Mhz. |
| 15:57.40 | thomasg_ | and the new hardware infos are fantastic! |
| 15:57.43 | SpeedEvil | Or even turn off. |
| 15:57.46 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: all the GPUs i've seen only accelerate drawing primitives (3d and 2d) |
| 15:57.53 | koen | "2D/3D Beschleuniger" == "2D/3D accelerator" |
| 15:58.07 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: there are reports that it can also output from an internal framebuffer to the LCD |
| 15:58.09 | thomasg_ | 256 mb flash, 128 mb ram, 400 mhz samsung arm, opengl es 2d/3d accelerator, accelerometers (2x 3D) |
| 15:58.24 | SpeedEvil | thomasg_: 2*2D accellerometers |
| 15:58.35 | thomasg_ | SpeedEvil, no |
| 15:58.39 | thomasg_ | just a moment please |
| 15:58.40 | balrog-kun | *downloading the PDF* |
| 15:58.53 | SpeedEvil | thomasg_: That's what mickey-l said earlier. |
| 15:59.02 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: interesting, they going to use that for screen control? |
| 15:59.03 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: it's a puff-sheet. |
| 15:59.10 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: possibly. |
| 15:59.37 | SpeedEvil | 14:16 <mickeyl> SpeedEvil: 2 individual, to get 3 axis |
| 16:00.41 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: yea, i've used some of the ones from sparkfun in proof of concept designs |
| 16:00.55 | thomasg_ | SpeedEvil, don't know. on the mailinglists there are different informations |
| 16:01.06 | SpeedEvil | Not seen. |
| 16:01.20 | SpeedEvil | community? |
| 16:01.24 | mickeyl | don't nail me on that accels |
| 16:01.34 | mickeyl | i'm not an expert in this area :) |
| 16:01.47 | mickeyl | besides, it's preliminary anyway |
| 16:01.49 | SpeedEvil | K. |
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| 16:02.03 | Nebukadneza | hi |
| 16:02.09 | balrog-kun | koen: nice |
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| 16:02.12 | thomasg_ | SpeedEvil, yes, community |
| 16:02.26 | Nebukadneza | were there any news about the P1 device in the lase 3-4 weeks? :( |
| 16:02.30 | thomasg_ | thread: "Neo1973 Update!" (the second one, not the original) |
| 16:02.34 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=692 |
| 16:02.49 | SpeedEvil | prpplague: I know about accellerometers. |
| 16:03.01 | SpeedEvil | including how to spell them. |
| 16:03.03 | SpeedEvil | s/ll/l/ |
| 16:03.08 | koen | balrog-kun: I'm hoping for clutter :) |
| 16:03.32 | thomasg_ | well, at least we can say the neo is getting better and better :) |
| 16:03.34 | balrog-kun | koen: me too |
| 16:03.38 | SpeedEvil | 2 accellerometers - measuring the same axes don't really do much in a small device. |
| 16:03.41 | prpplague | SpeedEvil: hehe, yea, i was just saying thats the one i used for a PoC design |
| 16:03.41 | Nebukadneza | thomasg_: where? |
| 16:03.53 | thomasg_ | Nebukadneza, what do you mean? |
| 16:03.55 | SpeedEvil | All silicon accellerometers are _HORRIBLY_ drifty. |
| 16:04.11 | Nebukadneza | 18:00 < thomasg_> thread: "Neo1973 Update!" (the second one, not the original) |
| 16:04.26 | thomasg_ | but I'm wondering about the informations: they say the new hardware will be available in phase 2 - but phase 2 should have the same hardware than phase 1+, shouldn't it? |
| 16:04.37 | SpeedEvil | You need to put them in an oven at .01C or so to get any sort of use with multiple accellerometers in the same device picking up differential acellerations.l |
| 16:04.40 | thomasg_ | Nebukadneza, mom, I read the mailinglist in gmail, not the webarchive :) |
| 16:04.51 | Nebukadneza | ah, mailinglist, ok ;P |
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| 16:06.09 | thomasg_ | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-June/005549.html |
| 16:06.12 | thomasg_ | here you see |
| 16:06.25 | thomasg_ | I posted the link to the google video above, maybe we can verify this :) |
| 16:07.01 | Nebukadneza | hm well - "we" need a device first ;/ |
| 16:08.21 | thomasg_ | I meant verify by watchin the video |
| 16:08.27 | thomasg_ | but having a device would be cool, too :) |
| 16:09.14 | Nebukadneza | i mean like before thinking about cool applications using a accellerometers ... finally releasing P1 would be way more important |
| 16:10.57 | SpeedEvil | I have doubts as to 2 3 axes - there is little reason for it. It can only pick up the overall 3 axes gravity field, and the relative motion of a line between them. |
| 16:10.58 | thomasg_ | imho the best thing would be, not to waste time with p1 but release p1+ now! :) |
| 16:10.58 | SpeedEvil | The relative motion is _Very_ insensitive. |
| 16:10.59 | SpeedEvil | And it can only pick up quite fast motion. |
| 16:13.09 | SpeedEvil | s/motion/rotation/ |
| 16:14.23 | guaqua | SpeedEvil: sensitive enough to get the light saber sounds going? |
| 16:14.47 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 16:15.28 | SpeedEvil | For example - with a rotation of 1 per 3 seconds, and a seperation of the sensors, the differential accelleration is 4mm/s^2 |
| 16:15.40 | SpeedEvil | s/ors/ors of 5cm/ |
| 16:15.50 | SpeedEvil | s/5/10/ |
| 16:16.18 | SpeedEvil | 4mm/s^2 is compared to the gravity it's probably experiencing of around 10000mm^2/s |
| 16:16.35 | SpeedEvil | So you need really good linearity and matching. |
| 16:16.57 | guaqua | what technology does wii remote use? |
| 16:16.58 | SpeedEvil | Not to mention 13 bit or so or better A/D. |
| 16:17.12 | SpeedEvil | It's an AD part - 3 axis |
| 16:17.22 | SpeedEvil | $5 per at 1K |
| 16:18.21 | SpeedEvil | The nice solution would be one of these, and 3 axis semiconductor gyros. But these run around $100 for 3 in 1s. |
| 16:18.54 | SpeedEvil | The almost as nice solution would be a 3 axis compass - which is $15 or so in 1s. |
| 16:19.08 | Vegar | compass? |
| 16:19.31 | SpeedEvil | A device to measure the magnetic field of earth at a location, and resolve it to a direction indication. |
| 16:19.53 | Vegar | well, yeah, but.. |
| 16:20.03 | mmp | SpeedEvil: but ou could not take your favourite moko phone to the NASA moon base:-) |
| 16:20.14 | mmp | at least, functionality would be limited:) |
| 16:20.25 | mmp | hmm, but with accelerometers too... :) |
| 16:20.47 | SpeedEvil | You'd need a 1.5m dish to plug into the GPS port too. |
| 16:20.48 | mmp | :-)) |
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| 16:26.06 | cloly | so ... i read quite a lot about this phone .... and now I am even more confused |
| 16:26.34 | cloly | when would i be able to buy it. soon or on september ? |
| 16:26.39 | cloly | in September ** |
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| 16:26.56 | cjb | soon, in a few weeks, for $350. |
| 16:27.03 | lrak | phones will fall like leaves |
| 16:27.09 | cloly | :D |
| 16:27.27 | lrak | s/fall/pour |
| 16:27.28 | cloly | well i have a few more quesitons. may i ask ? |
| 16:28.07 | cloly | ok, i will :) |
| 16:29.06 | cloly | first - i'm really interested will there be some kind of hands free going with the phone or would we be able to buy separately |
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| 16:30.03 | guaqua | cloly: it's probably included... |
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| 16:30.15 | guaqua | and you can add pretty much any bluetooth-one |
| 16:30.39 | cloly | next, if i buy it online how it is gonna be shiped. will there be any kind of european online market .... or just tell me who should i ask :) |
| 16:30.51 | cloly | guaqua, thank you |
| 16:31.12 | cloly | but i think i read, that this model won't have blue tooth |
| 16:31.13 | guaqua | you should hang around here for a while |
| 16:31.23 | guaqua | this does have bluetooth, but no wifi |
| 16:31.23 | cloly | i would ;) |
| 16:31.30 | cloly | mhm |
| 16:31.35 | cloly | i see ;) |
| 16:31.43 | cloly | that;s pretty perfect. |
| 16:31.57 | cloly | but i still prefere wired hands-free |
| 16:32.30 | cloly | i don't want all these waves straight through my brain :) |
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| 16:33.33 | guaqua | :) |
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| 16:37.45 | Hopscotch | hiho |
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| 18:20.05 | BrianHV | apologies if this is a silly question, but should it be possible to use a neo1973 as a usb network device? |
| 18:22.20 | Sufflope | counter |
| 18:22.38 | Sufflope | oh, no counter anymore :) |
| 18:22.43 | SpeedEvil | It is by default a USB network device |
| 18:22.48 | BrianHV | nice |
| 18:22.51 | SpeedEvil | you talk to it over ssh/foo |
| 18:23.05 | SpeedEvil | you can setup routes to the interweb from your computer if you want. |
| 18:23.09 | SpeedEvil | If you've got GPRS up. |
| 18:23.15 | BrianHV | excellent |
| 18:23.20 | SpeedEvil | Or even via bluetooth. |
| 18:23.33 | BrianHV | and apologies if this is an even sillier question, but what's the counter counting? ;) |
| 18:23.42 | SpeedEvil | Nothing. |
| 18:23.45 | SpeedEvil | It's pointless. |
| 18:24.01 | BrianHV | just as I suspected... |
| 18:24.02 | SpeedEvil | Random interpretations of vague off-hand comments. |
| 18:24.10 | SpeedEvil | There has been no announcement. |
| 18:24.57 | mjr | it's not pointless |
| 18:25.01 | mjr | it gives our lives meaning |
| 18:25.18 | BrianHV | and also, because I finally got the code to start building this weekend |
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| 18:32.42 | barmeier | hi |
| 18:35.11 | Elrond | Oh well... does nobody handle SIGCHLD proberely and clean up childs?! |
| 18:35.35 | Elrond | s/proberely/properly |
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| 18:53.35 | Psypointer | hey :) |
| 18:54.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 590 has been created by gregory.fowler@gamehound.net |
| 18:54.01 | cdbot2 | * * Consider including powercast charge receiver |
| 18:54.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590 |
| 18:59.45 | pH5 | hmmh? shouldn't that link be http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=590 |
| 19:02.35 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2151 10/trunk/oe/ (5 files in 3 dirs): oe: remove gta01-kernel_2.6.bb, we use linux-gta01_*.bb directly from now on. |
| 19:03.20 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2152 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/linux-gta01/fix-EVIOCGRAB-semantics.patch: |
| 19:03.20 | CIA-24 | openmoko: oe/linux: add patch that fixes the EVIOCGRAB semantics |
| 19:03.20 | CIA-24 | openmoko: see http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/8/15/331 |
| 19:07.52 | Elrond | pH5 - BTW: "t.c_cflag &= ~CRTSCTS; t.c_cflag |= 0x80000000;" is equivalent to t.c_cflag |= CRTSCTS;". |
| 19:08.45 | pH5 | now I feel stupid, thanks Elrond ;) |
| 19:10.53 | Elrond | pH5 - You might want to recheck. :-) So the question remains, what made you create these two lines. Is there a bug in strace? |
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| 19:11.18 | mickey|dinner | pH5: right! |
| 19:11.23 | mickey|dinner | CoreDump|afk: ping |
| 19:12.30 | Elrond | mickey|dinner - Hi! :-) |
| 19:14.42 | pH5 | Elrond: no, you are completely right. I was just too dumb to read octal. |
| 19:16.18 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2153 10/trunk/oe/packages/alsa/ (alsa-state_svn.bb files/stereoout.state): oe/alsa-state: limit stereoout default volume a bit |
| 19:17.05 | woglinde | he elrond and ph5 |
| 19:17.21 | woglinde | linuxtag was fun |
| 19:17.27 | Elrond | Hi woglinde :) |
| 19:17.32 | Elrond | woglinde - GPN was fun too. :-) |
| 19:17.39 | woglinde | ah yes |
| 19:18.11 | pH5 | hej woglinde |
| 19:21.06 | Elrond | woglinde - I guess, I was the only person with a neo there. ;o) |
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| 19:21.15 | woglinde | elrond lol yes the others were all in berlin |
| 19:21.36 | Elrond | woglinde - Someone has to do the smaller jobs. ;-) |
| 19:25.23 | Elrond | Okay... finally I get to talk to the gps using plain pyserial. :-) |
| 19:26.03 | Vegar | figured out it's language yet? |
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| 19:26.52 | pH5 | Vegar: in one minute? |
| 19:27.31 | Vegar | hasn't he been talking to the GPS for weeks now? |
| 19:28.07 | Elrond | Vegar - days. .-) |
| 19:28.08 | Elrond | :-) |
| 19:28.13 | Vegar | ok |
| 19:28.19 | Elrond | Vegar - Guess what... I have a real life. ;-) |
| 19:28.22 | Vegar | so my perception of time is a bit out of order |
| 19:30.16 | Psypointer | why is openmoko well.. so expensive? what are the dear components of the handy? |
| 19:30.24 | woglinde | expensiv? |
| 19:30.30 | Vegar | expensive? |
| 19:30.36 | Psypointer | 350$ is expensive i think |
| 19:30.39 | woglinde | no |
| 19:30.39 | Psypointer | or am i wrong? |
| 19:30.45 | miip | ur wrong :) |
| 19:30.49 | Vegar | it's a smartphone |
| 19:31.01 | Vegar | compare the price to other phones with the same capabilities |
| 19:31.09 | woglinde | yes you are wrong, most phones you get is with contract thats why they are cheap |
| 19:31.09 | Psypointer | oh okay. i haven´t got any experience with smartphones |
| 19:31.12 | CM | Psypointer: The screen is quite expensive, and there's a lot of ram in it |
| 19:31.13 | balrog-kun | $350 is the price of the Neo1973, but compared to devices of its class it's not so much i was told |
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| 19:31.19 | Kensan | Psypointer, it does not come with a 2 year contract of a mobile carrier that would subsidize the price. |
| 19:31.28 | woglinde | hihi |
| 19:31.31 | CM | Hehe |
| 19:31.34 | Psypointer | my last cell phone was a nokia 6210 and it broke last week :S |
| 19:31.55 | Vegar | is that the large thing with an external antenna? |
| 19:32.22 | slider_ | thats not a cell phone, its a portable phone booth :) |
| 19:33.38 | woglinde | as mickeyl said on his talk |
| 19:33.51 | Kensan | Psypointer: plus, it's not a phone. It's a open, mobile linux device with gsm/calling capabilities |
| 19:33.53 | woglinde | its device you can also do phoneclass with |
| 19:33.58 | woglinde | calls |
| 19:33.59 | woglinde | args |
| 19:34.06 | SpeedEvil | Psypointer: Go and compare _unsubsidised_ devices. |
| 19:34.25 | SpeedEvil | Psypointer: with wifi, and 256M RAM, it's pretty much the cheapest out there. |
| 19:34.32 | Psypointer | 256mb ram? lol |
| 19:34.38 | koen | 25MB flash, not ram |
| 19:34.48 | koen | 256* |
| 19:34.53 | Psypointer | hmm |
| 19:34.57 | SpeedEvil | Without wifi - it's harder to judge, as nobody makes this sort of phone without wifi |
| 19:34.58 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 19:35.00 | Psypointer | is there a complete free gsm stack? |
| 19:35.02 | SpeedEvil | 128M RAM |
| 19:35.05 | SpeedEvil | Psypointer: no |
| 19:35.15 | SpeedEvil | Psypointer: and it'd be illegal in many countries to have one. |
| 19:35.27 | Psypointer | how is it implemented ? |
| 19:35.28 | SpeedEvil | Psypointer: it's required to be certified and unalterable. |
| 19:35.33 | SpeedEvil | Psypointer: canned modem. |
| 19:35.40 | SpeedEvil | Psypointer: you talk to it via AT commands. |
| 19:35.57 | Psypointer | so you cannot hack other handys via openmoko ? :>) |
| 19:35.57 | guaqua | how is the gprs interface done, btw? |
| 19:36.15 | woglinde | psypointer???? |
| 19:36.37 | woglinde | psypointer hm you should read wiki.openmoko.org |
| 19:36.46 | Psypointer | woglinde: :) well saying *i am an antenna* like the imsicatcher :> |
| 19:36.48 | woglinde | to get a clue what openmoko is |
| 19:37.11 | Psypointer | hm okay. |
| 19:39.30 | balrog-kun | Psypointer: theoretically it's always possible |
| 19:39.55 | balrog-kun | you just won't know how to do it |
| 19:41.22 | balrog-kun | the modem probably even supports firmware upload |
| 19:41.28 | balrog-kun | i know the bluetooth chip does |
| 19:42.51 | SpeedEvil | Like the pentium supports firmware download. |
| 19:42.58 | SpeedEvil | And you could probably do _really_ fun stuff. |
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| 19:43.51 | balrog-kun | pentium? |
| 19:44.14 | balrog-kun | what processor does the firmware run on then? :) |
| 19:44.14 | woglinde | microcode |
| 19:44.39 | balrog-kun | is there like a real processor that emulates a pentium in it? :) |
| 19:44.58 | SpeedEvil | Basically. |
| 19:45.24 | SpeedEvil | There will be large hardcoded bits. |
| 19:45.28 | SpeedEvil | But some fraction of the instruction set will be firmware. |
| 19:45.53 | SpeedEvil | That bit can be tweaked if bugs are found, or that will |
| 19:46.16 | SpeedEvil | or the hardcoded part overridden in a slower but non-buggy way |
| 19:47.00 | balrog-kun | interesting |
| 19:48.06 | CM | It has to be reloaded every time though |
| 19:48.19 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 19:48.37 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you could use it for really fast DSP like stuff, replacing bits of the instruction set. |
| 19:48.49 | SpeedEvil | But like the GSM modem, they'll never tell you how. |
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| 19:54.32 | nobody96 | hi |
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| 19:55.26 | MacNorth | hi |
| 19:56.38 | Moo^^ | by the way, I have been doing some custom Minimo user interfaces optimized for touch screen devices. |
| 19:56.45 | Moo^^ | What browser OM will use? |
| 19:57.11 | CM | Moo^^: Lots of people seem to like webkit |
| 19:57.35 | nobody96 | i get an error while running make qemu |
| 19:57.37 | nobody96 | /usr/include/sys/types.h:248: error: conflicting types for 'blkcnt_t' |
| 19:57.37 | nobody96 | /usr/include/linux/types.h:158: error: previous declaration of 'blkcnt_t' was here |
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| 19:57.57 | nobody96 | anyone here who solved that already? |
| 19:58.11 | Moo^^ | after getting into it, it is ridiculous easy to customize javascript and XUL compared to GTK code |
| 19:58.20 | Moo^^ | of course, it all comes with terrible performance penalty |
| 19:58.59 | Gybrush | easier than using libglade as well? |
| 20:02.12 | balrog-kun | nobody96: strange, /usr/include/linux/types.h shouldn't be included |
| 20:02.12 | nobody96 | anyone any idea? |
| 20:02.33 | nobody96 | hmm interesting |
| 20:03.17 | nobody96 | any idea how i fix this? |
| 20:03.39 | balrog-kun | nobody96: which .c file is this happening in? |
| 20:03.41 | nobody96 | it also happens with the svn checkout |
| 20:04.04 | balrog-kun | nobody96: what's your linux-headers version? |
| 20:04.21 | nobody96 | In file included from /usr/include/stdlib.h:438, |
| 20:04.21 | nobody96 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.21 | nobody96 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.39 | balrog-kun | nobody96: ah |
| 20:04.51 | nobody96 | this sounds promissing :) |
| 20:06.14 | balrog-kun | nobody96: removing the line #define CONFIG_GADGETFS 1 in config-host.h will make it go away |
| 20:06.27 | balrog-kun | it sounds like an incompatible version of linux-headers |
| 20:07.00 | balrog-kun | nobody96: what distro is this? |
| 20:07.02 | nobody96 | im using linux-headers-2.6.17 |
| 20:07.04 | nobody96 | gentoo |
| 20:07.36 | balrog-kun | hm, okay.. |
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| 20:08.04 | balrog-kun | i know gadgetfs also didn't want to work with 2.6.18 for some people, i will add a stronger check |
| 20:08.42 | nobody96 | which linux-headers should i use instead |
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| 20:09.40 | balrog-kun | nobody96: it worked for me with 2.6.20 and 2.6.21 |
| 20:11.01 | balrog-kun | and my kernel version was same as that of the linux-headers package |
| 20:11.01 | balrog-kun | i'm on gentoo too |
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| 20:15.30 | nobody96 | i have updated to 2.6.21 and it seems working |
| 20:16.50 | balrog-kun | cool |
| 20:19.48 | nobody96 | just a few missing binarys |
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| 20:26.47 | nobody96 | up and running |
| 20:26.49 | nobody96 | thanks a lot |
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| 20:28.47 | pavelm | Heya,everyone. |
| 20:29.00 | pH5 | hej pavelm |
| 20:30.22 | pavelm | ph5: Hello! Any progress with gllin reverse-engineering? |
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| 20:30.48 | ScaredyCat | blah |
| 20:31.09 | woglinde | hi pavelm |
| 20:31.26 | ScaredyCat | any day now... ?? are we sure? |
| 20:31.44 | woglinde | yes |
| 20:31.46 | cjb | more like a week or two, I think. |
| 20:32.00 | cjb | judging from LaF0rge's blog entry. |
| 20:32.25 | ScaredyCat | :o .. |
| 20:32.28 | balrog-kun | ScaredyCat: that means that we don't know |
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| 20:32.56 | ScaredyCat | is there any supply for Europe? or do i need to import? |
| 20:33.10 | Rince | ScaredyCat: there are enough european developers ;) |
| 20:33.23 | woglinde | scaredycat you need to import |
| 20:33.46 | balrog-kun | any day now is less precise than any of the earlier predictions :) |
| 20:34.01 | ScaredyCat | heheh - so true |
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| 20:38.04 | pH5 | pavelm: no, I wasn't bored enough for that :) |
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| 20:40.12 | pavelm | ph5: ;-) |
| 20:43.24 | pavelm | ...still searching for working pygtk... or working microSD card... |
| 20:44.35 | nobody96 | brb |
| 20:47.56 | pavelm | I believe openmoko has certain bad problems... |
| 20:48.06 | pavelm | ...like contacts application is stylus-only... |
| 20:48.10 | empty_mind | like |
| 20:48.52 | pavelm | ...with no stylus holder. Am I supposed to borrow stylus every time I call a number I do not remember? |
| 20:48.58 | pavelm | ...which is... like... every time? |
| 20:49.22 | empty_mind | no stylus holder ? |
| 20:49.36 | balrog-kun | that's a hardware bug :) |
| 20:50.04 | pavelm | ...question is what to do with that. Write nicely worded rant to my blog? |
| 20:50.11 | empty_mind | u guys mean to say neo does not have a stylus holder in casing ? |
| 20:50.26 | cjb | yeah. |
| 20:50.39 | empty_mind | OMFG!!! WTF!!! |
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| 20:51.07 | nobody96 | re |
| 20:51.14 | empty_mind | WHO IS THE IDIOT TO DESIGN SUCH A THING ? |
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| 20:52.10 | nobody96 | empty_mind, whats the problem? |
| 20:52.11 | pavelm | empty: Do not shout. Apparently openmoko is too small for proper holder. |
| 20:52.28 | empty_mind | too small is no excuse |
| 20:52.38 | empty_mind | thats really stupid |
| 20:53.00 | empty_mind | for god sake neo is a mobile phone ans i supposed to be carried by people on the move |
| 20:53.14 | pavelm | ...anyway, stylus should not be required for common operations. |
| 20:53.36 | empty_mind | how do you expect your users to carry a separate entity with them |
| 20:53.56 | empty_mind | well its a touch screen phone so stylus not required is no answer |
| 20:54.00 | nobody96 | oh i thought this is a hardware bug which will be fixed soon |
| 20:54.10 | balrog-kun | empty_mind: there should be enough finger apps eventually |
| 20:54.28 | nobody96 | balrog-kun, this is no really excuse |
| 20:54.44 | empty_mind | no one can guarantee what will happen eventually |
| 20:55.03 | nobody96 | on the linux-tag 2 days ago in berlin i managed to take a close look at the phone |
| 20:55.07 | balrog-kun | the stylus holder will have to be designed for a specific stylus |
| 20:55.09 | hozer | you can guarantee what you want to happen if you want to fund a production run |
| 20:55.21 | empty_mind | having a stylus holder for a touchscreen phone is just common sense |
| 20:55.22 | nobody96 | and it should be possible to place a stylus somewhere |
| 20:55.22 | Elrond | Hey, calm down people. |
| 20:55.27 | balrog-kun | and i think FIC doesn't produce styli, i'm not sure |
| 20:55.40 | pH5 | I AM CALM. |
| 20:55.55 | nobody96 | easy, there is a solution |
| 20:55.56 | empty_mind | even motorola or nokia dont produce stylus, its an accessory |
| 20:56.04 | nobody96 | its just not found |
| 20:56.14 | hozer | no kidding.. either stop shouting, or open up your checkbook :P |
| 20:56.17 | Elrond | Well, the idea about the stylus is to use the supplied stylue/pen combo. Which fits anywhere you would put a pen anyway. |
| 20:56.42 | Elrond | empty_mind - The Neo comes with a stylus shipped. |
| 20:56.49 | empty_mind | hozer, its not about checkbook. If i am paying $350 i can pay $360 for a casing with stylus holder |
| 20:57.08 | mjr | way to blow things out of proportion |
| 20:57.13 | empty_mind | when it comes with stylus shipped why not a stylus holder |
| 20:57.13 | SpeedEvil | Stylus also makes it larger. Which is annoying. |
| 20:57.26 | hozer | the person funding the initial production run gets to decide if there's a stylus or not |
| 20:57.28 | Elrond | Right. |
| 20:57.29 | SpeedEvil | The shipped stylus is way too large for that. |
| 20:57.36 | Elrond | My mum already finds the neo too large. |
| 20:57.39 | empty_mind | well so dont make a phone which needs stylus |
| 20:57.45 | nobody96 | a small telescopic stylus would fit in, i think |
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| 20:58.06 | mjr | though it's a valid complaint that the contacts app requires stylus. Should be able to do some basic contact browsing with finger. |
| 20:58.08 | empty_mind | guys absence of stylus holder will be serious setback to the project when it hits mass market |
| 20:58.09 | Elrond | Well, fingernails work fine. |
| 20:58.17 | empty_mind | remeber mass market != geek world |
| 20:58.26 | Elrond | mjr - Right. |
| 20:58.37 | mjr | But. That's a software problem, and fixable. |
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| 20:58.44 | Elrond | mjr - With big font, just to be able to read while doing horseback riding. ;-) |
| 20:58.46 | nobody96 | i was the number one comment on the linuxtag |
| 20:58.57 | hozer | um.. I think *having* a stylus is a setback for mass market |
| 20:59.07 | hozer | it's the geeks that are demanding one :P |
| 20:59.09 | Elrond | nobody96 - What was the number one comment? |
| 20:59.19 | nobody96 | ups |
| 20:59.23 | empty_mind | having a stylus is not a setback but not having a stylus holder is |
| 20:59.24 | SpeedEvil | FPGA - pony! |
| 20:59.27 | nobody96 | tiped thougt and typed again |
| 20:59.32 | nobody96 | s/i/that/ |
| 20:59.54 | nobody96 | and that means "hum, where is the pen?" |
| 21:00.07 | pavelm | mjr: Should I file bugzilla report? |
| 21:00.10 | nobody96 | the second was the browser crashing down |
| 21:00.47 | pavelm | elrond: Yep, big font is needed :-) |
| 21:01.06 | pH5 | I agree with pavelm. I hate always having to dig the stylus out of my phone when somebody tells me their number. |
| 21:01.38 | nobody96 | hmm error: `GADGETFS_NOP' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 21:01.54 | nobody96 | and i thought i have it up and running... |
| 21:01.54 | pavelm | speed: Smallest pony is 46cm currently; still too big for FPGA ;-) |
| 21:01.59 | SpeedEvil | I agree that stuff should be doable without the stylus - generally. |
| 21:02.20 | mjr | pavelm, I wouldn't think that inappropriate |
| 21:02.22 | SpeedEvil | pavelm: You put the FPGA on top of the pony, which also carries spare batteries, and the stylus. |
| 21:02.28 | pavelm | speed: and I believe ponies are still better than GPSson navigation. |
| 21:02.52 | hozer | um, what the heck is this 'pony' thing? |
| 21:03.07 | pavelm | speed: Will have to think about it. |
| 21:03.08 | nobody96 | how am i supposed to carry arround a pony? |
| 21:03.27 | SpeedEvil | The helium balloon nullifies the weight of the pony. |
| 21:03.32 | ScaredyCat | OMG ponies!!!!!1!oneeleventyone |
| 21:04.09 | pavelm | nobody: pony is quite capable of following you ;-) |
| 21:04.12 | nobody96 | SpeedEvil, it allso nullifies the weight of my car: http://www.autoteile-scheinwerfer.de/images/CITROEN%202CV%2046%202CV%20kombi%200170-1187.jpg |
| 21:04.26 | nobody96 | and it will surly not fit in |
| 21:04.47 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - How did you get to think of FPGA? |
| 21:05.23 | SpeedEvil | Being actually serious. |
| 21:05.46 | SpeedEvil | A DSP core in the processor would be nice - especially one that can be run without the CPU being on. |
| 21:06.17 | holtmann | Who takes care of that we have the latest bluez-libs and bluez-utils packages synced from OE. |
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| 21:06.35 | holtmann | My latest image still shows bluez-utils-3.9 and that is kinda old. |
| 21:06.50 | holtmann | We need bluez-utils-3.11 with the services activated. |
| 21:06.55 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: that only leads to a conclusion that two CPUs are better than one |
| 21:07.01 | balrog-kun | which we already know |
| 21:07.05 | balrog-kun | and three are even better |
| 21:07.30 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 21:07.41 | SpeedEvil | There actually are DSPs out there. |
| 21:07.59 | SpeedEvil | That have a conventional ticket. |
| 21:08.07 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 21:08.16 | balrog-kun | yeah |
| 21:08.19 | SpeedEvil | that have a conventional CPU, and a power efficient DSP core |
| 21:08.41 | SpeedEvil | And that are fairly cheap. |
| 21:08.42 | Elrond | pH5 - tihi... channel 9-f are ignored and used like channel=0, it seems. ;-) |
| 21:09.30 | drath | hehehe |
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| 21:09.56 | pH5 | Elrond: doesn't surprise me, the hammerhead being an 8 channel receiver. |
| 21:10.07 | Elrond | pH5 - Yeah. |
| 21:10.17 | SpeedEvil | ph5: it's not 8 channel |
| 21:10.17 | pH5 | so you are working on slowly getting more confident that it doesn't blow up when you feed it bogus data? :) |
| 21:10.22 | Elrond | Hmmm, the sirfstarIII is a 12 channel receiver. ;-) |
| 21:10.56 | Elrond | pH5 - Yeah. I'm playing with the flags and the channels. ;-) |
| 21:11.17 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Most of the protocol looks very much like 8 channel. |
| 21:12.02 | nobody96 | does anyone know how i get rid of the usb errors when building qemu with the openmakefile? |
| 21:12.05 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - I have to admit, that this surprises me still. |
| 21:12.12 | nobody96 | mokomakefile, im sorry |
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| 21:13.01 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - As more than 8 channel is really standard as of years... |
| 21:13.07 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 21:13.09 | SpeedEvil | I don't see it. |
| 21:13.10 | pH5 | well, for now I'd be happy to get a satellite lock on just one channel :) |
| 21:13.15 | SpeedEvil | In the product brief. |
| 21:13.45 | pavelm | ph5: does it talk to you? |
| 21:13.52 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Well, they (GL) can of course do, what the old receivers did: Use one channel for multiple SVs. |
| 21:14.03 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 21:14.25 | pavelm | speed: That should be very easy to verify: If we ever see 9-sattelite lock, we know it uses 9 channels... right? |
| 21:14.36 | SpeedEvil | There will be a maximum of 12 satellites. |
| 21:14.39 | pavelm | elrond: How does "one channel for multiple SVs work? |
| 21:14.42 | Elrond | I remember, sirfstarIIi had like 20 correlators or so.... |
| 21:14.56 | Elrond | pavelm - Just reconfigure the channel often enough. ;-) |
| 21:15.17 | SpeedEvil | That should work quite well - the lock time should be miniscule - in theory. |
| 21:15.18 | pavelm | elrond: That needs precise timing, no? |
| 21:15.35 | Elrond | pavelm - Not too precise. :-) |
| 21:15.51 | SpeedEvil | In practice - in good environments, there won't be a problkem. |
| 21:16.11 | SpeedEvil | As losing the 4 lowest in the sky (for example) is rarely going to be a problem. |
| 21:16.14 | Elrond | Running half a second one SV, the other half the other SV. |
| 21:16.20 | rwhitby | nobody96: which usb errors? |
| 21:16.21 | Elrond | ... lots of data points still. |
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| 21:16.39 | pavelm | elrond: But that means you need to keep nsec timing for half a second, right? |
| 21:16.42 | nobody96 | /home/bag/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/usb-linux-gadget.c:24:27: linux/usb_ch9.h: No such file or directory |
| 21:16.51 | nobody96 | /home/bag/openmoko/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/usb-linux-gadget.c:638: error: `GADGETFS_DISCONNECT' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 21:16.55 | nobody96 | and a lot more |
| 21:17.44 | Elrond | pavelm - No. The chip gives you the pseudorange for the SV you care for. If it did that, you configure a new SV and it start from scratch. |
| 21:18.00 | Elrond | pavelm - It's like RPC: Send "go, measure"... get response later. |
| 21:18.03 | balrog-kun | nobody96: again remove the GADGETFS line from config-host.h |
| 21:18.09 | nobody96 | hmm |
| 21:18.09 | rwhitby | nobody96: usb_ch9.h is a kernel version thing usually |
| 21:18.22 | balrog-kun | nobody96: ./configure shouldn't have put it in there in the first place, this is strange |
| 21:18.34 | nobody96 | thought it would run with the new kernel-headers |
| 21:19.33 | balrog-kun | apparently linux-headers inmost distros don't include linux/usb_ch9.h, btu configura checks for that so that it shouldn't be needed |
| 21:19.37 | pavelm | elrond: I thought you need two sattelites to get a pseudorange. |
| 21:19.43 | nobody96 | ok, thanks |
| 21:20.38 | Elrond | pavelm - If you have a good internal clock, that can be your first SV ;-) |
| 21:20.49 | Elrond | pavelm - And in reality all modern receivers do that. |
| 21:21.14 | pavelm | elrond: I thought that would need atomic internal clock. What is "SV"? |
| 21:21.28 | pH5 | Elrond: does the hh correlate in hardware or is this done with the sent packet 05 / received packet 9d/9e/9f stuff that is going on all the time? |
| 21:21.29 | Elrond | SV := "Satelite in View". |
| 21:22.10 | Elrond | pH5 - According to the glossy papers, we have to assume, that the correlation happens in hw. And really: Anything else is horror. |
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| 21:26.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 591 has been created by pavel@ucw.cz |
| 21:26.02 | cdbot2 | * * dialing from contacts needs to be possible without stylus |
| 21:26.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=591 |
| 21:26.19 | pavelm | Heh, thanks, cdbot |
| 21:26.37 | Elrond | Who owns cdbot2? |
| 21:26.44 | Elrond | cdbot2: owner? |
| 21:26.49 | penguinwhoflew | have the phones been shipped to developers already? |
| 21:27.34 | k|to | counter |
| 21:27.42 | penguinwhoflew | 2007-03-05: 36 P0 devices shipped to developers. |
| 21:27.43 | penguinwhoflew | nevermind |
| 21:28.14 | penguinwhoflew | ya'll need to update the www.openmoko.com page, it's talking about how it will (in the future) ship the phones to developers |
| 21:28.18 | k|to | haha, 'how can i bypass myspace at my school?' |
| 21:28.20 | k|to | what a moron |
| 21:28.31 | woglinde | k|to lol |
| 21:28.56 | Elrond | pavelm - s/phase1/GTA01Bv04/. ;-) Some FIC people don't like us talking of P1, when P1 has not happended yet. ;) |
| 21:29.00 | woglinde | community portals lowers the iq or lower iq's use community portals like myspace |
| 21:29.12 | k|to | penguinwhoflew: I think they mean the 'casual' developers |
| 21:29.40 | penguinwhoflew | well it still says 'late March / early April.' |
| 21:29.40 | pavelm | elrond: Ok... but Bv04 is going to be the same hardware we already have, right? |
| 21:29.46 | penguinwhoflew | i thought the project died =/ |
| 21:30.02 | SpeedEvil | Elrond: It's not that bad. |
| 21:30.11 | SpeedEvil | I recall a design using a transputer. |
| 21:30.18 | SpeedEvil | Which had a 'count ones' option. |
| 21:30.38 | SpeedEvil | xor, count ones, shift, xor, count ones , ... |
| 21:30.46 | Elrond | pavelm - Practically, yes. But the P1 ones will (have been) made in china, while your Bv04 was made in .tw. ;-) |
| 21:30.47 | SpeedEvil | till you get a peak. |
| 21:30.57 | woglinde | penguin -> http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/06/02/#20070602-busy-busy-busy |
| 21:31.02 | pavelm_away | elrond: aha.. ok. |
| 21:31.20 | penguinwhoflew | haha thank you, woglinde |
| 21:32.03 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Hmm. But the bit pattern is a bit large. shifting it inside a 32bit CPU isn't fun. |
| 21:32.17 | woglinde | and if it cut down to 5 phones per order person |
| 21:32.31 | penguinwhoflew | so will i, a person with little to no experience in software development, be able to purchase one of these phones? |
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| 21:33.06 | woglinde | penguin yes but woth no experience you will be not happy |
| 21:33.10 | woglinde | with |
| 21:33.16 | SpeedEvil | Elrond - it's only 1024 bits. And you can generate them from three registers. |
| 21:33.21 | Elrond | penguinwhoflew - You will be very unhappy. |
| 21:33.25 | woglinde | wait for the 2nd generation |
| 21:33.31 | penguinwhoflew | alright |
| 21:33.56 | penguinwhoflew | i was thinking i could just download the alphas or whatever of whatever applications people were working on |
| 21:34.03 | SpeedEvil | You can do that. |
| 21:34.04 | woglinde | you can |
| 21:34.05 | Elrond | penguinwhoflew - If you buy one now, you will have nice hardware, but basicly useless software. |
| 21:34.13 | pavelm_away | penguin: purchase one and give it to elrond :-). |
| 21:34.14 | SpeedEvil | At the moment. |
| 21:34.17 | penguinwhoflew | haha |
| 21:34.27 | Elrond | pavelm_away - :-)) |
| 21:34.34 | SpeedEvil | It's workingish hardware, and a funcioning pocket-sized X box, with some prototype phone apps. |
| 21:34.48 | penguinwhoflew | does it dial out? |
| 21:34.50 | pavelm_away | ...alpha versions are of course available. |
| 21:34.51 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 21:34.54 | woglinde | penguin yes |
| 21:34.58 | penguinwhoflew | and recieve calls? |
| 21:34.59 | woglinde | per AT commands |
| 21:35.04 | penguinwhoflew | ah |
| 21:35.11 | pavelm_away | penguin: I did not yet see a version that could call from gui. |
| 21:35.17 | SpeedEvil | I thought the dialer was actually working now. |
| 21:35.32 | penguinwhoflew | guess i'll just hope my phone lasts until the 2nd gen comes out |
| 21:35.43 | balrog-kun | the dialer worked for me |
| 21:35.48 | balrog-kun | from the GUI |
| 21:35.49 | pavelm_away | speed: there probably was/is some version that could call. Just I did not see it yet. |
| 21:36.15 | Elrond | penguinwhoflew - You can get alphas, of course. But I hope you know, what "alpha" means. |
| 21:36.30 | pavelm_away | balrog: I seen working dialer + broken mixer, yes. |
| 21:36.32 | penguinwhoflew | Elrond, yes. terrible. haha. |
| 21:36.38 | balrog-kun | i need to try if i can receive calls with it - with the previouse version i couldn't |
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| 21:36.47 | balrog-kun | pavelm_away: it worked quite well for me |
| 21:36.50 | pavelm_away | balrog: Is something more stable than http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/images/ available? |
| 21:36.52 | penguinwhoflew | is it 3g? sim card and all that? |
| 21:37.22 | balrog-kun | i.e. i made a call and could talk with the person on the other end :) |
| 21:37.26 | balrog-kun | pavelm_away: i don't know |
| 21:37.26 | pavelm_away | penguin: Not 3g, not even edge. |
| 21:37.32 | Elrond | pavelm_away - Yes... get an old rootfs and selectively update .ipk s from buildhost/.../ipk. ;-) |
| 21:37.40 | Elrond | pavelm_away - And be prepared to downgrade. ;o) |
| 21:37.47 | penguinwhoflew | so what carriers does it work with? |
| 21:38.00 | Elrond | penguinwhoflew - Look at the wiki, that question is answered there. |
| 21:38.03 | balrog-kun | pavelm_away: i guess stable is not a good thing for development version |
| 21:38.18 | penguinwhoflew | i'm looking... |
| 21:38.50 | Elrond | <-- hops away. |
| 21:39.12 | sparq | Hey -- is anyone in Beijing? (or been there recently) |
| 21:39.51 | sparq | My girlfriend is going to be studying there, and I was wondering if her US GSM phone will work normally. |
| 21:40.15 | penguinwhoflew | so i'm just going to have to wait for my carrier to offer the phone before it will work? =( |
| 21:40.20 | sparq | It should, I know, but I figure one should check on these things. |
| 21:40.25 | woglinde | sparq why? |
| 21:40.37 | woglinde | you can buy cheap phone in china |
| 21:40.46 | balrog-kun | penguinwhoflew: it should work with any carrier, see the wiki |
| 21:40.51 | pavelm_away | penguin: You just insert your gsm simcard there. |
| 21:41.08 | balrog-kun | it works with my usual old carrier |
| 21:41.15 | penguinwhoflew | hm |
| 21:41.55 | penguinwhoflew | alright then |
| 21:41.55 | sparq | woglinde: True, but it would be one more thing to worry about. |
| 21:41.55 | penguinwhoflew | guess i misread part of the wiki, and didn't read the right part |
| 21:41.56 | penguinwhoflew | where exactly does it say that? |
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| 21:42.16 | balrog-kun | penguinwhoflew: there's a whole page dedicate to supported carriers (which afaict just list all carriers people came up with) |
| 21:42.20 | balrog-kun | *lists |
| 21:42.21 | penguinwhoflew | i searched carriers |
| 21:43.11 | penguinwhoflew | came up with nothing o.0 |
| 21:43.58 | penguinwhoflew | ah |
| 21:43.58 | penguinwhoflew | providers |
| 21:43.58 | penguinwhoflew | not carriers |
| 21:44.09 | penguinwhoflew | yay, cingular is supported |
| 21:44.43 | nobody96 | mine is on the list to *freu* |
| 21:45.19 | nobody96 | just a few releaes more and i will get rid of this buggy sony |
| 21:45.31 | nobody96 | and get a truly buggy but fixable phone |
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| 21:47.11 | woglinde | spraq and I think calling to us from china is cheaper via ip-phone |
| 21:48.39 | nobody96 | is it true that the phone will have wlan onboard soon? |
| 21:50.25 | woglinde | nobody the consumer variant yes |
| 21:50.47 | cjb | nobody96: well, not "soon". but the v2 model will. |
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| 21:51.57 | nobody96 | i hope i could wait long enough |
| 21:53.07 | woglinde | lol |
| 21:53.09 | woglinde | you can |
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| 21:53.54 | arcdigital | Is anyone from the coreteam here? |
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| 21:54.55 | woglinde | arcdigital is your question that important? |
| 21:55.18 | arcdigital | well actually anyone who actually works for openmoko |
| 21:55.26 | arcdigital | because i've got 2 things to say |
| 21:55.34 | arcdigital | first is actually really important |
| 21:55.42 | arcdigital | and second not that important |
| 21:55.54 | woglinde | than write an email to sean |
| 21:57.21 | arcdigital | I tried to email coreteam@openmoko.com |
| 21:57.21 | arcdigital | or I mean .org |
| 21:57.21 | rwhitby | what's the text on slide 19 of mickey|dinner's slides at http://www.vanille-media.de/misc/openmoko-lt2007.pdf say? |
| 21:57.22 | woglinde | rhwitby mom |
| 21:57.22 | arcdigital | ok, what is Sean's email? |
| 21:57.37 | rwhitby | woglinde: the slide with the funky polymer vision future gadget |
| 21:58.27 | woglinde | rwhitby ah it says a new developmenplatform for new apps, gadegts and hm interactionforms |
| 21:58.45 | woglinde | rwhitby he means openemoko in general |
| 21:58.55 | rwhitby | woglinde: thx |
| 21:59.15 | woglinde | rwhitby and on the talk he said, he would by immedatly such a ploymere device if it were aviablable |
| 21:59.50 | woglinde | ah the title backgrounds and *g* visions |
| 22:01.15 | rwhitby | looks like it was a good talk from the slides at least |
| 22:01.35 | woglinde | yes |
| 22:01.42 | nobody96 | and i missed it |
| 22:01.42 | woglinde | mickey is very good at it |
| 22:01.48 | nobody96 | :( |
| 22:01.54 | woglinde | beside the fact he made the last evening |
| 22:02.40 | woglinde | rwhitby in mickeys talk were more people than in the oter embedded talks like maemo or greephone |
| 22:02.57 | woglinde | nobody why? |
| 22:03.22 | rwhitby | arcdigital: just say it here, and the message will be sure to be passed one |
| 22:03.25 | rwhitby | s/one/on/ |
| 22:05.18 | nobody96 | because i had a lecture friday in the morning |
| 22:05.18 | arcdigital | ok sure |
| 22:05.19 | arcdigital | 1 sec |
| 22:05.20 | arcdigital | I had a long email typed up though lol |
| 22:05.23 | rwhitby | pastebin.ca :-) |
| 22:05.23 | woglinde | nobody hm? the talk was in the noon 4 pm |
| 22:05.23 | nobody96 | and im living a few hundred km's away |
| 22:05.37 | woglinde | hehe |
| 22:05.37 | arcdigital | My email hasn't been replied to for about 1 or 2 months |
| 22:05.38 | nobody96 | im driving a citroen 2cv |
| 22:05.41 | arcdigital | and when I tried to send in a reply It says delivery failed |
| 22:05.48 | nobody96 | take me 9 hours |
| 22:05.56 | nobody96 | ok, with 2 traffic jams |
| 22:05.58 | woglinde | nobody consider to live in berlin |
| 22:06.03 | nobody96 | i considerd |
| 22:06.24 | nobody96 | but changing the uni isnt that easy |
| 22:06.45 | nobody96 | and i like it here |
| 22:06.46 | nobody96 | most |
| 22:06.59 | nobody96 | exept that i'm missing good talks :) |
| 22:10.12 | rwhitby | arcdigital: mickey|dinner, LaF0rge, roh are all on the core team. if you say your important things here they are likely to see them (or someone is likely to point it out to them) |
| 22:12.10 | arcdigital | ok |
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| 22:26.01 | nobody96 | gn8 |
| 22:31.22 | SrRaven | http://www.brightcove.com/title.jsp?title=958789575 <- thats a stylish way of using a touchschcreen pda....openmoko has to beat it! |
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| 22:31.56 | daMaestro | counter |
| 22:32.26 | daMaestro | counter? |
| 22:32.38 | k|to | !counter damnit |
| 22:32.43 | daMaestro | i know! |
| 22:32.47 | daMaestro | tell me! tell me! |
| 22:32.48 | k|to | heh, guess not |
| 22:34.35 | k|to | there's your problem |
| 22:34.42 | k|to | there doesn't seem to be an aloril present |
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| 22:38.48 | k|to | i love virtualization |
| 22:38.59 | k|to | ubuntu in a little box on my mac is so sweet |
| 22:39.14 | k|to | can't wait to get openmoko in a little box in ubuntu in a little box on my mac |
| 22:40.50 | pavelm | Did arcdigital actually tell us what the very important message is? |
| 22:41.01 | k|to | i don't believe so |
| 22:41.14 | k|to | of course i accidently shut down my client for a few seconds |
| 22:41.21 | k|to | so i might've missed it |
| 22:41.23 | k|to | as it flew by |
| 22:42.35 | Elrond | pavelm - Were you able to use the mic in the neo to record some audio? |
| 22:46.44 | rwhitby | pavelm: no, he didn't. must have been too important |
| 22:47.01 | rwhitby | ;-) |
| 22:47.42 | pavelm | rwhitby: Okay, I _hope_ coreteam has good enough spam filters :-) |
| 22:47.56 | pavelm | elrond: No, I did not play with mic yet. Was something in dm2 testsuite? |
| 22:48.21 | Elrond | pavelm - I dont remember, if there was something for recording... |
| 22:49.17 | Elrond | pavelm - nope. Nothing in dm2. |
| 22:50.20 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:51.23 | pavelm | elrond: sorry, I did not play with that area. |
| 22:53.40 | pavelm | elrond: It should be as simple as cat /dev/dsp > foo; cat foo > /dev/dsp... |
| 22:56.16 | CoreDump|home | Elrond: that would be me btw (cdbot2) |
| 22:57.11 | balrog-kun | arecord and aplay |
| 23:03.23 | sixfeet_ | moin |
| 23:04.36 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - The OMBug-URL is wrong. ;o) |
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| 23:04.56 | CoreDump|home | Elrond: I saw that in the backlog, fixing ATM ;) |
| 23:05.07 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - :-) |
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| 23:09.04 | pavelm | okay, good night everyone! |
| 23:10.12 | Elrond | Ha. Recording works. :-) |
| 23:13.04 | Elrond | It's quality is quite okay. |
| 23:13.44 | penguinwhoflew | any mp3 playing apps in the works? |
| 23:15.06 | Elrond | penguinwhoflew - I saw some "openmoko-simplemediaplayer" in svn. Didn't try it yet. |
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| 23:15.24 | penguinwhoflew | this phone blows all others out of the water |
| 23:15.31 | penguinwhoflew | gps? bad ass. |
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| 23:20.14 | pavelm | penguin: madplay works from command line ;-) |
| 23:20.27 | pavelm | bye for real |
| 23:20.30 | penguinwhoflew | lol |
| 23:21.44 | mjr | madplay will go well with mass market, I'm sure :) |
| 23:23.50 | Elrond | *G* |
| 23:23.51 | Elrond | Yeah. |
| 23:24.16 | Elrond | People will love to cd to the sounds folder on the screen using the on-screen-keyboard. ;-) |
| 23:24.28 | Elrond | .... and then having to type "madplay " and the full title. ;-) |
| 23:24.57 | k|to | i know how much fun it was on the ipaq |
| 23:26.04 | SpeedEvil | xmms? |
| 23:26.13 | SpeedEvil | Should almost fit the display. |
| 23:31.51 | mjr | recall the earlier discussion about basic usability with fingers? ;] |
| 23:32.00 | mjr | that'd be a pain to use with a stylus |
| 23:33.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 592 has been created by stephan@spaceboyz.net |
| 23:33.01 | cdbot2 | * * qemu-neo1973 not building with support for gadgetfs, missing linux/usb_ch9.h |
| 23:33.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=592 |
| 23:34.50 | Elrond | Hmm, anybody remembers where the .inf files were for using the neo connected to windows?! |
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| 23:37.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 591 has been created by pavel@ucw.cz |
| 23:37.01 | cdbot2 | * * dialing from contacts needs to be possible without stylus |
| 23:37.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=591 |
| 23:37.14 | balrog-kun | bug 592 assigned to OpenEmbedded-issues? huh? |
| 23:38.21 | balrog-kun | hmmm |
| 23:38.39 | balrog-kun | the url given by cdbot2 for bug 592 seems to be a totally different bug |
| 23:40.03 | CoreDump|home | balrog-kun: yes, it was wrong for all bugs until now |
| 23:40.23 | balrog-kun | ah yeah |
| 23:40.39 | CoreDump|home | pH5: Thanks for spotting that first ;) |
| 23:40.40 | balrog-kun | ok, i found the right bugreport now |
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