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| 00:09.08 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2120 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/stylusmenu.c: |
| 00:09.08 | CIA-27 | openmoko: mainmenu: emergency hacks for: |
| 00:09.09 | CIA-27 | openmoko: * making sure the activate callback is called even for toplevel items |
| 00:09.09 | CIA-27 | openmoko: * actually executing programs that are selected in menu |
| 00:13.29 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2121 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/stylusmenu.c: fix segfault (used wrong object for signal connection) |
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| 00:15.45 | LuitvD | counter |
| 00:15.46 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 05:52:07 (3.245 +-3.2 days) (1378;225) |
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| 00:25.30 | webjames | night |
| 00:32.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 587 has been created by stefan@openmoko.org |
| 00:32.02 | cdbot2 | * * Icon-theme broken since settings-daemon integration |
| 00:32.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=587 |
| 00:37.11 | Kensan | Is there a Wiki-Admin? User Pipa is spamming the frontpage again with his/her porn links... |
| 00:42.14 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] [[ChangeLog]] [[Main_Page/it]] |
| 00:46.52 | SpeedEvil | Kensan: DIY! |
| 00:47.26 | Kensan | SpeedEvil, I did revert the changes. I was more thinking along the lines of banning the user. |
| 00:47.38 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 01:41.15 | paulproteus | DukeOfURL, You are chatting fine indeed. |
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| 02:14.40 | aloril | hmm... actually this could be correct (from [[Neo1973]]): 'Phase 1: Production should happen late May Official Developer Launch date is unknown. ' |
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| 02:18.42 | mwester | ls |
| 02:22.11 | aloril | laforge is mind reader, second time somebody at IRC says he found big and almost instantly there is commit by laforge fixing it ;-) |
| 02:23.11 | aloril | 2007-06-02 00:38:38 <balrog-kun> backlight is working now, i still have problems with bluetooth |
| 02:23.12 | aloril | 2007-06-02 00:39:28 <CIA-27> openmoko: laforge * r2115 /trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-backlight.patch: fix GTA01 backlight driver / 2.6.21.x kernel API |
| 02:23.13 | aloril | 2007-06-02 00:39:47 <Elrond> Ahhh, great. :-) |
| 02:23.14 | aloril | 2007-06-02 00:40:16 <balrog-kun> ugh, laforge probably fixed the same thing.. |
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| 02:43.14 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[FAQ]] [[Main_Page]] |
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| 02:52.37 | maek | Can I buy a neo1973 right now? the wiki makes me think I can buy one and use it? is that correct? thanks. |
| 02:52.37 | aloril | maek: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 02:52.46 | SpeedEvil | maek: no |
| 02:52.51 | SpeedEvil | not quite for sale yet |
| 02:54.18 | maek | aloril: thanks, ill look. |
| 02:54.36 | maek | SpeedEvil: ok, thank you. What if I wanted to try my hand at developing something for it? can I buy one then? |
| 02:54.49 | maek | under standing its not quite ready. or should I just wait? |
| 02:55.10 | SpeedEvil | You cannot now obtain hardwware |
| 02:55.26 | SpeedEvil | you can do the emulator or software development thing. |
| 02:55.33 | SpeedEvil | Maybe a week or two. Maybe more. |
| 02:55.44 | maek | ok. thanks. alright. ill look into that. |
| 02:55.46 | SpeedEvil | It's currently ramping up to mass production. |
| 02:55.56 | SpeedEvil | The first run of a thousand or so. |
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| 04:21.29 | *** topic/#openmoko is OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Anyone can buy for $350 starting perhaps late May. <> Mass market in September. |
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| 04:42.13 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973]] |
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| 06:28.56 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 02:45:32 (3.115 +-3.1 days) (1379;225) |
| 06:29.02 | Mandarino | xDDDDD |
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| 08:25.43 | PBeck | hi |
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| 08:37.59 | webjames | hey |
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| 08:38.27 | LuitvD | good morning |
| 08:43.13 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] |
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| 09:04.46 | LuitvD | who has the power to deactivate wiki useraccounts? |
| 09:05.09 | LuitvD | we have a frontpage spammer on our hands |
| 09:06.42 | LuitvD | it is |
| 09:06.43 | LuitvD | for now |
| 09:06.54 | LuitvD | look: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history |
| 09:07.08 | LuitvD | check the diffs on pipa's edits |
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| 09:07.39 | LuitvD | for 4 times in 5 days |
| 09:07.53 | LuitvD | so deactivate him... |
| 09:07.59 | LuitvD | make sure he can't login |
| 09:08.34 | LaF0rge | luitvd: is removed |
| 09:08.46 | LuitvD | LaF0rge: good :) |
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| 09:11.07 | LuitvD | aloril's script is indeed usefull :) |
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| 09:34.15 | Elrond | aloril - Laforge is bug reading. I filed the backlight bug a while back. ;o) |
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| 09:34.28 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2122 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard/gtk-2.0/gtkbutton: oe/theme: reenable gtkbutton borders |
| 09:37.04 | mickey|LinuxTag | backlight bug has been fixed yesterday nite |
| 09:37.34 | Elrond | mickey|LinuxTag - I know. I was there and tested it straight after the kernel turned up on buildhost. |
| 09:38.32 | mickey|LinuxTag | ah right |
| 09:39.09 | Elrond | mickey|LinuxTag - BTW: I'll go to GPN today and bring the P0 there. It seems noone else brought a neo there. ;-) |
| 09:41.33 | mickey|LinuxTag | pioneer ;) |
| 09:42.03 | Elrond | ;-) |
| 09:43.14 | Elrond | BTW: I hope the buttons on the P1 are really better. |
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| 09:45.34 | mickey|LinuxTag | slightly |
| 09:46.38 | Elrond | The power button on this thing sometimes feels like it doesn't come out again. |
| 09:46.49 | mickey|LinuxTag | ya, same here |
| 09:46.55 | mickey|LinuxTag | no tactile feedback |
| 09:46.59 | mickey|LinuxTag | my bv2 was better |
| 09:48.04 | Elrond | Well, while pressing there is feedback, but when I release it, it sometimes doesn't come out again. And then I'm using my fingernail to help it out. |
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| 09:56.29 | aloril2 | Elrond: OK (timing was kind of perfect for telpathy hypothesis ;-) (or he followed irc discussion) |
| 09:57.29 | Elrond | aloril2 - Yes. ;-) |
| 09:57.45 | LuitvD | has anybody compiled OpenTTD for the Neo yet? |
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| 10:00.56 | aloril2 | s:telpathy:telepathy: |
| 10:02.22 | Elrond | LuitvD - Is that this railroad simulation game? |
| 10:02.39 | LuitvD | Elrond: the SimCity-like game |
| 10:02.56 | LuitvD | Transport Tycoon Deluxe |
| 10:02.56 | guaqua | transport tycoon <3 |
| 10:03.08 | guaqua | if i just got the music to work on openttd |
| 10:03.13 | guaqua | is it even possible? |
| 10:03.48 | Elrond | It should be possible. |
| 10:04.15 | guaqua | then i must |
| 10:04.22 | guaqua | 've just put the files into wrong dir |
| 10:04.37 | LuitvD | does it compile for arm? |
| 10:04.50 | sannes | hm, so if LaF0rge is following irc, it means he is not doing QA, and that means that they havn't received a batch of phones yet .. ugh .. hehe :P |
| 10:05.16 | SpeedEvil | Or he's goofing off, and not working 25*7 |
| 10:05.36 | sannes | hehe |
| 10:06.07 | mjr | shame, shame, shame |
| 10:06.12 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - ;-)) |
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| 10:06.54 | Elrond | So after I received the neo... my first kernel flashing. ;o) (I normally load new kernel only into RAM and boot them there.) |
| 10:07.00 | Elrond | .. looks good so far. :-) |
| 10:07.08 | SpeedEvil | So you're now a flasher? |
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| 10:07.18 | Elrond | *G* |
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| 10:13.33 | Elrond | <-- heads away. |
| 10:14.34 | Rince | hio elrond ;) |
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| 10:18.29 | kito_ | emulator? |
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| 10:18.46 | Tronic | Is the phone usable as a music player? |
| 10:18.46 | aloril | Tronic: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 10:23.07 | kito_ | I haven't seen anyone say if the software is there yet |
| 10:24.52 | mjr | somebody here mentioned playing music with it, I believe with some command line player though ;) |
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| 10:33.42 | Tronic | The UI of a player doesn't matter much. The only thing needed is random play with a "next" button. |
| 10:33.53 | kito_ | I'm sure a music player will be one of the first things done after P1 gets going |
| 10:34.07 | Tronic | But is the hardware suitable? |
| 10:34.28 | kito_ | Tronic: heh, I built one of those in hardware once (random play+next button) |
| 10:34.40 | Tronic | Does it have 3.5 mm headphone connector, memory card slot (for several gigabytes of storage), etc. |
| 10:34.54 | paulproteus | Tronic, It has micro SD which can store several gigabytes cheaply. |
| 10:34.56 | kito_ | I believe so, they've talked of a decoder, and there is a microSD and 3.5mm on it |
| 10:35.00 | kito_ | or was it 2.5mm? |
| 10:35.41 | Tronic | Well, seems usable in any case. 3.5 mm would be nicer even if it makes the phone bigger, but there are adapters for 2.5 mm too. |
| 10:35.41 | SpeedEvil | 2.5mm |
| 10:36.08 | kito_ | 2.5mm is still worlds better then proprietary |
| 10:36.08 | SpeedEvil | At the moment, it's 2.5mm, headset adaptor - the 'normal' one amongst phones. |
| 10:36.59 | SpeedEvil | Hardware isn't optimal for an MP3 player - the CPU has to run 3 times faster than it'd need to to decode mp3. |
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| 10:37.13 | SpeedEvil | Which hurts batterywise. |
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| 10:44.13 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Pipa]] [[Main_Page]] |
| 10:44.47 | xkr47 | counter |
| 10:44.48 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 00:37:36 (3.026 +-3.0 days) (1380;225) |
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| 10:50.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 588 has been created by stefan@openmoko.org |
| 10:50.02 | cdbot2 | * * Icon-theme broken since settings-daemon integration |
| 10:50.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=588 |
| 10:57.39 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2123 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (11 files in 2 dirs): add machine / vendor plugin infrastructure (Philip Zabel) |
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| 11:04.36 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2124 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/include/gsmd/machineplugin.h: add missing header file |
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| 11:19.24 | Stephmw | good morning everyone |
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| 11:20.51 | kito_ | 'mornin |
| 11:21.02 | kito_ | 'noon, i s;pose |
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| 11:30.55 | SpeedEvil | Are 5G microSD actually available? |
| 11:30.58 | SpeedEvil | s/5/4/ |
| 11:31.44 | kito_ | 4g I believe so |
| 11:32.58 | kito_ | well, i thought so but im not seeing any |
| 11:33.08 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2125 10/trunk/oe/ (2 files in 2 dirs): oe: add openmoko-sound-theme-standard and set preferred version |
| 11:33.37 | kito_ | oh, here we go |
| 11:33.37 | kito_ | http://www.steckenborn.de/?/produktinfo.asp?z=&art_nr=SDSDQ-4096-E11M&wid=froogle |
| 11:34.04 | kito_ | yep, looks like sandisk makes one: http://www.daily-gadget.de/50226711/4gb_microsdkarte.php |
| 11:35.43 | kito_ | wow |
| 11:35.53 | kito_ | oops |
| 11:40.59 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2126 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/Makefile.am: follow automake/libtool convention for building dlopen'ed modules |
| 11:41.24 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2127 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/ (gsmd.c machine.c): implement manual override for vendor/machine type |
| 11:47.27 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2128 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: remove stupid default serial port /dev/ttyUSB0 |
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| 12:09.17 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2129 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 12:09.17 | CIA-27 | openmoko: Lindent run over all files besides buttonactions.{c,h} as mickey is |
| 12:09.18 | CIA-27 | openmoko: working on them right now. |
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| 13:43.16 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2130 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add 'modem alive' detection. We inquire every five minutes if the modem is still alive. |
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| 13:57.57 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2131 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/gsmd.c: |
| 13:57.58 | CIA-27 | openmoko: * add timeout to initial modem detection |
| 13:57.58 | CIA-27 | openmoko: * make sure we only fork into background after the modem has been detected |
| 13:57.58 | CIA-27 | openmoko: * clean up the loglevel of some log statements |
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| 14:14.05 | ar2 | hello to everybody |
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| 14:14.16 | SpeedEvil | Hello. |
| 14:14.16 | kito_ | oi |
| 14:14.20 | ar2 | :) |
| 14:14.40 | sudharsh | hello |
| 14:14.55 | arw_hall9000 | :) |
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| 14:17.56 | DukeOfURL | good morning |
| 14:18.14 | kito_ | 'noon |
| 14:18.41 | kito_ | anyone know what time it is CST right now? |
| 14:19.03 | DukeOfURL | 9:18 |
| 14:19.03 | DukeOfURL | am |
| 14:19.14 | DukeOfURL | sorry, that's central daylight time |
| 14:19.30 | DukeOfURL | CST is GMT-6 |
| 14:19.34 | kito_ | that's just CST on daylight savings, right? |
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| 14:19.49 | DukeOfURL | yes 9:19 central daylight time |
| 14:19.56 | Tronic | Sat Jun 2 14:17:35 CST 2007 |
| 14:20.04 | kito_ | yea, I just wasn't sure if i'm on GMT+1 here |
| 14:20.29 | Tronic | It seems to think that CST is the same as GMT. |
| 14:20.30 | kito_ | hah |
| 14:20.30 | shainer_dev | hi...i'm one of the Italian translator for the openmoko wiki |
| 14:20.36 | shainer_dev | but i have a little problem...could someone help me? |
| 14:20.37 | aloril | Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (link to FAQ in wiki) |
| 14:20.38 | DukeOfURL | what CST are you talking about? |
| 14:20.47 | Sup3rkiddo | i dont know if this issue has been put forth before, but in the interest of the community there are pr0n links at the wiki page |
| 14:21.20 | kito_ | this has been a problem |
| 14:21.46 | Sup3rkiddo | oh ok...been outta business for a while...didnt know |
| 14:22.05 | SpeedEvil | Is it on-topic porn? |
| 14:22.11 | kito_ | hah |
| 14:22.11 | SpeedEvil | t |
| 14:22.56 | SpeedEvil | Gone now anyway |
| 14:23.15 | arw_hall9000 | heheheheheh |
| 14:23.23 | arw_hall9000 | hey.. wait for me :) |
| 14:23.24 | Sup3rkiddo | i just had an embarrassing experience of showing the wiki page to my friend |
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| 14:24.31 | kito_ | that's hilarious |
| 14:29.34 | shainer_dev | Sup3rkiddo: i had a look in the help pages, but i didn't find anything about my problem |
| 14:31.21 | Sup3rkiddo | shainer_dev, it was just removed :D |
| 14:33.16 | shainer_dev | ... |
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| 14:38.56 | Kensan | shainer_dev, don't ask if somebody "could" help you. Just state your question, maybe somebody will answer. |
| 14:39.02 | shainer_dev | ok |
| 14:39.35 | shainer_dev | I edit a page but when I press the "Save" button I get a message that says |
| 14:39.54 | shainer_dev | my ip address has been blocked by the admins because it has used by "pipa" and i'm a spammer |
| 14:39.54 | Herod2k | hi guys |
| 14:40.00 | shainer_dev | and the address showed is not the mine |
| 14:40.02 | eclissi | hi! |
| 14:40.16 | shainer_dev | (i'm not behind tor or such systems) |
| 14:40.21 | sixfeet | shop |
| 14:40.23 | Herod2k | we are tryng to translate thw wiki |
| 14:40.34 | Herod2k | *the |
| 14:40.44 | Herod2k | me and shainer_dev |
| 14:41.07 | shainer_dev | i tried also to disconnect and reconnect changing IP but it was useless... |
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| 14:43.13 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] |
| 14:45.04 | shainer_dev | no the page i was trying to write is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973/it ... it doesn't exist because nobody translated it in Italian before |
| 14:47.55 | SpeedEvil | So what's the problem? |
| 14:48.31 | eclissi | the problem is that he had translated the page in Italian... |
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| 14:48.54 | shainer_dev | I'm a wiki translator but I couldn't post my translations on your wiki :) |
| 14:49.13 | kito_ | pipa just got banned last night |
| 14:49.17 | kito_ | if that helps at all |
| 14:49.20 | SpeedEvil | On the page that woould link to that page - edit it to point to what the URL you want is. |
| 14:49.25 | kito_ | he was responsible for the pr0n |
| 14:49.26 | SpeedEvil | err - page you want is |
| 14:49.39 | SpeedEvil | then, simply click on the 'red' page title, and then fill it in |
| 14:50.22 | shainer_dev | yes but another error message when i try to save my changes says my ip address is blocked |
| 14:50.31 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 14:50.32 | Herod2k | Shainer I have the same problem |
| 14:50.42 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I misunderstood. |
| 14:50.47 | eclissi | I think that italian IPs are blocked |
| 14:51.01 | Herod2k | eclissi: ? |
| 14:51.04 | Herod2k | :D |
| 14:51.06 | shainer_dev | ? |
| 14:51.40 | SpeedEvil | Someone may have gone a bit overboard on the blocks. |
| 14:51.54 | Herod2k | "Autoblocked beacus your IP has been recently used by Pipa" |
| 14:52.00 | shainer_dev | yes |
| 14:52.16 | shainer_dev | Herod2k: the address showed is your IP address? |
| 14:52.55 | Herod2k | no no |
| 14:53.02 | Herod2k | i don't see the ip |
| 14:53.19 | Herod2k | "Autoblocked beacus your IP has been recently used by Pipa" is the only message that i see |
| 14:53.27 | shainer_dev | okà |
| 14:53.29 | shainer_dev | *ok |
| 14:53.30 | SpeedEvil | Herod2k: are you sharing your IP? |
| 14:53.43 | Herod2k | no |
| 14:54.01 | shainer_dev | !! |
| 14:54.03 | SpeedEvil | Could anyone be on your wifi, vandalising your wiki? |
| 14:54.12 | shainer_dev | now i inserted the page ... |
| 14:54.27 | kito_ | SpeedEvil: now that's mighty unlikely |
| 14:54.53 | SpeedEvil | kito_: true. |
| 14:55.00 | kito_ | someone on his wifi for several days just happens to vandalize the wiki he is translating :-) |
| 14:55.18 | shainer_dev | mh... |
| 14:55.28 | SpeedEvil | Well - the other option is multiple personality disorder. |
| 14:55.35 | kito_ | hah |
| 14:55.41 | shainer_dev | however, now i inserted the page without problems |
| 14:55.45 | shainer_dev | with the same IP as before |
| 14:55.46 | Kensan | You should get in touch with a WikiAdmin |
| 14:55.58 | kito_ | strange |
| 14:56.16 | SpeedEvil | Sounds like some sort of wackyness in the IP. |
| 14:56.47 | Herod2k | shainer_dev: i don't see the languages bar at the bottom |
| 14:57.07 | shainer_dev | me neither |
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| 14:58.23 | shainer_dev | Kensan: you're right :) |
| 14:58.58 | Herod2k | who is the wikiadmin? |
| 14:59.52 | SpeedEvil | On a sort-of-related topic - is there a way to completely delete pages - if the title is porn, for example. |
| 15:00.06 | Sup3rkiddo | dump mediawiki? |
| 15:00.55 | Kensan | List of admins: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Special:Listusers/Bureaucrat |
| 15:01.17 | Herod2k | thanks Kensan |
| 15:01.20 | shainer_dev | thanks |
| 15:01.37 | Kensan | Beware, since they are all working on the Neo1973 they are all mighty busy with development etc. |
| 15:02.44 | shainer_dev | ok |
| 15:08.55 | SpeedEvil | Is the community list stopped up? |
| 15:13.23 | eclissi | bye |
| 15:13.43 | shainer_dev | bye ...thanks :) |
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| 15:14.33 | Herod2k | by |
| 15:14.36 | Herod2k | bye |
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| 15:16.50 | kiney | counter |
| 15:16.51 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 2 days 22:21:34 (2.932 +-2.9 days) (1381;225) |
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| 15:47.15 | balrog-kun | this is strange - if i flash a kernel, the kernel boots and then scream about errors in the jffs2 indefinitely - now, if i flash a rootfs, the kernel won't load because there u-boot thinks the CRC doesn't match |
| 15:47.57 | balrog-kun | as if the two partitions (rootfs & kernel) had an overlapping part |
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| 16:08.38 | antenagora | counter |
| 16:08.38 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 2 days 21:55:41 (2.914 +-2.9 days) (1382;225) |
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| 16:43.03 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2133 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: fix race condition in pcf50606_detect() (Andrzej Zaborowski) |
| 16:44.08 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2134 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-core.patch: |
| 16:44.08 | CIA-27 | openmoko: fix race condition due to boot-time driver initialization order problem |
| 16:44.08 | CIA-27 | openmoko: i.e. what happens if UDC wants to enable fast charge before pcf50606 driver |
| 16:44.08 | CIA-27 | openmoko: is initialized? (Andrzej Zaborowski) |
| 16:44.13 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973/it]] |
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| 16:48.10 | k-s | koen: man, I managed to remove on bottleneck of evas on maemo platform: evas_tiler |
| 16:48.33 | k-s | koen: check out CVS and see if you get speedups on openmoko |
| 16:48.53 | koen | k-s: cool |
| 16:49.16 | k-s | koen: it uses a bitmap matrix to represent dirty areas |
| 16:49.45 | k-s | koen: it's 6000 byte matrix on n800 (800x480 / TILESIZE^2, TILESIZE = 8) |
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| 16:50.17 | k-s | koen: it always do 6000 lookups, even if the screen is empty |
| 16:50.24 | koen | ouch |
| 16:50.32 | k-s | koen: if screen is full, it do 2 * 6000 |
| 16:50.45 | k-s | thing is, this is damn fast on PC, with big data cache |
| 16:50.57 | balrog-kun | ewww, the latest build automatically mounted my SD card partitions during "waiting for /dev to be fully populated" |
| 16:51.09 | balrog-kun | i do hope they are mounted read-only |
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| 16:58.27 | balrog-kun | it would be cool to have mtdutils in the feeds |
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| 17:09.51 | balrog-kun | overall i'm impressed by the amount of progress done by the userspace team, kudos |
| 17:13.13 | aloril | (script) planet: Harald "LaF0rge" Welte: Everyone is busy at OpenMoko http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/06/02#20070602-busy-busy-busy |
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| 17:35.51 | kito_ | sweet! phones in a few weeks |
| 17:40.24 | cjb | oh, there's a new post? |
| 17:44.00 | balrog-kun | how my changes in /etc/profile survived the rootfs upgrade is a mystery to me |
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| 17:57.56 | MacNorth | hrm, given that harald is going to taiwan on the 8th, 'the second week' starts on the 11th :-\ |
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| 18:02.52 | aloril2 | hmm.. is that then 1.5 or 2 or 2.5 weeks? |
| 18:03.29 | MacNorth | in 10 days the QA starts |
| 18:03.46 | MacNorth | so maybe an announcement the following week? |
| 18:03.59 | aloril2 | this is kind of good update: tells what is happening without actual deadlines |
| 18:04.13 | balrog-kun | now Harald inadvertently caused everyone to study the gregorian calendar peculiarities |
| 18:04.29 | MacNorth | 'phones are good! orders start on 20 jun' or 'phones are bad, add another month' |
| 18:04.59 | aloril2 | question is: will they QA all before ordering or will it be those become available as QA progresses |
| 18:05.36 | MacNorth | i'd assume they'd do all 10% of them since they'd want to know how many are good/bad |
| 18:05.55 | aloril2 | phones are good -> few hours -> they are sold out |
| 18:06.06 | MacNorth | possibly :) |
| 18:06.20 | aloril2 | (which of course happens while I sleep) |
| 18:06.25 | MacNorth | but: good phones -> good process -> fast ramp-up |
| 18:06.44 | balrog-kun | i understood that Harald was assigned 10% of them and other people parallelly will be QAing the other phones |
| 18:07.12 | MacNorth | when were 'other people' mentioned? |
| 18:07.42 | balrog-kun | nowhere, but i don't see why Harald would be the only person doing it |
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| 18:08.20 | aloril2 | ramp up -> still additional week or few delay for unlucky people |
| 18:08.55 | MacNorth | heh, one week in the context of a half year. it's like we're all 12 and waiting for the next-gen game console :-) |
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| 18:18.08 | aloril2 | summer is just 10 weeks, so 3 additional weeks would be quite chunk |
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| 18:20.44 | SpeedEvil | You've only got to not sleep for around 300 hours. |
| 18:20.54 | DukeOfURL | with GSM, is DTMF sent in-band as audio, or is it sent out-of-band as data? |
| 18:21.03 | SpeedEvil | As a side-effect, you can get the guinness book of records record for that. |
| 18:21.08 | SpeedEvil | OOB IIRC AIUI. |
| 18:21.14 | MacNorth | it would be nice if we could order before the iphone release in h the us. a lot of yanks think 'first to market' == best product or original idea |
| 18:21.51 | DukeOfURL | counter |
| 18:21.51 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 2 days 20:49:04 (2.867 +-2.9 days) (1383;225) |
| 18:22.00 | MacNorth | DukeOfURL: see planet |
| 18:22.19 | DukeOfURL | saw that. does it mean after the 10% QA? |
| 18:22.42 | MacNorth | define 'it' . . . |
| 18:22.43 | DukeOfURL | end of next week? |
| 18:22.58 | DukeOfURL | it being the availability of P1 phones... |
| 18:23.19 | MacNorth | if the QA passes, then i would hope they would sell them |
| 18:23.53 | DukeOfURL | if it's that close then FIC should be accepting pre orders... |
| 18:24.13 | SpeedEvil | Naah - they've got to learn to juggle each phone for 6 hours at a time. |
| 18:24.24 | DukeOfURL | heh |
| 18:25.51 | SpeedEvil | That's only 600 hours though, so it's not too bad. |
| 18:27.24 | SpeedEvil | The screen isn't wide enough. |
| 18:27.46 | DukeOfURL | wide enough? |
| 18:28.27 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - for the A-D keys. |
| 18:30.46 | DukeOfURL | well, there are four rows and four columns, which is 16 frequency pairs. |
| 18:31.15 | DukeOfURL | im thinking moko to PBX communication without data plan. |
| 18:31.39 | DukeOfURL | afteri the call has been established |
| 18:32.16 | SpeedEvil | It should work. |
| 18:32.22 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it. |
| 18:32.27 | Kensan | DukeOfURL: Keep in mind that P1 is targeted at developers not at end users. |
| 18:32.56 | DukeOfURL | I've been developing since the 60s :-) |
| 18:32.56 | Kensan | (^refers to pre-order) |
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| 18:51.40 | SpeedEvil | Something seems broken. |
| 18:52.02 | SpeedEvil | I'm getting occasional 'you have been blocked as you're using an IP previously used by pipa" |
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| 19:31.00 | aloril2 | counter_msg counter not yet updated, see laforge's busy entry at http://planet.openmoko.org |
| 19:31.00 | aloril | aloril2 changed counter prefix message to counter not yet updated, see laforge's busy entry at http://planet.openmoko.org |
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| 19:37.08 | pjz | "harald just posted to his blog |
| 19:42.47 | SpeedEvil | Oh - that one. |
| 19:42.49 | SpeedEvil | Old news. |
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| 20:18.35 | LuitvD | counter |
| 20:18.35 | aloril | counter not yet updated, see laforge's busy entry at http://planet.openmoko.org P1: 2 days 19:50:42 (2.827 +-2.8 days) (1384;225) |
| 20:18.48 | LuitvD | ... :| |
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| 20:39.05 | balrog-kun | wow, Flight mode is already there |
| 20:39.20 | SpeedEvil | Flight mode? It can fly? Cool! |
| 20:39.50 | balrog-kun | i was wondering for a moment, but then i remembered it's just GSM off :) |
| 20:39.55 | guaqua | i'm guessing flight mode was the easiest to implement since the connectivity isn't quite there yet ;) |
| 20:40.16 | balrog-kun | the point is it's implemented already and there's a menu entry |
| 20:40.30 | SpeedEvil | http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3391 is what we need to add onto an expansion back. |
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| 21:10.21 | pointer | anyone home? |
| 21:10.21 | aloril | pointer: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 21:10.42 | ewon | me, but I'm not a moko dev |
| 21:10.56 | pointer | ewon: ah, ok |
| 21:16.49 | LuitvD | aloril: that was a lousy trigger... |
| 21:17.52 | pointer | heh |
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| 21:48.12 | pawalls | Where can I get mine? :) |
| 21:48.12 | aloril | pawalls: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 21:48.31 | SpeedEvil | Looking like a coupleof weeks. |
| 21:48.38 | SpeedEvil | production has happened. |
| 21:48.43 | SpeedEvil | QA in progress. |
| 21:48.51 | pawalls | Cool. |
| 21:49.02 | SpeedEvil | 1K or so done |
| 21:49.05 | pawalls | Anything i need to do to be considered for pre-market purchase? |
| 21:49.23 | SpeedEvil | obtain 350 purchase vouchers. |
| 21:49.28 | SpeedEvil | ($) |
| 21:50.32 | hads | (US) |
| 21:50.49 | SpeedEvil | Zimbabwe dollars will not work :) |
| 21:51.15 | pawalls | Are the vouchers available now, or do I need to wait until they're ready? |
| 21:52.03 | SpeedEvil | Err - sorry, /me was being obscure. |
| 21:52.11 | SpeedEvil | You simply need 350 us dollars. |
| 21:52.24 | hads | And a little patience :) |
| 21:53.00 | pawalls | Cool. |
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| 21:55.16 | usagi__ | Hello |
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| 22:14.11 | usagi__ | Anyone around? |
| 22:19.02 | LuitvD | I am, but I'm not of any use here I guess... |
| 22:20.16 | Psi_ | im around too |
| 22:20.33 | Psi_ | heh |
| 22:20.43 | xkr47 | anyone atriangle? :) |
| 22:20.52 | Vegar | me |
| 22:23.04 | xkr47 | usagi__, so, we're all set here :) |
| 22:23.23 | usagi__ | :) |
| 22:24.13 | usagi__ | Anyone an expert on the OpenMoko phone? |
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| 22:24.36 | Rince | usagi__: what is your question? |
| 22:25.39 | usagi__ | What ports does it currently have? |
| 22:26.26 | Psi_ | usb, a few GPIO, mic, spk L, Spk R, charging have i missed any? |
| 22:26.53 | Vegar | external antenna? |
| 22:27.10 | Psi_ | hm.. cant say ive seen one in the pics, but yeah, could definitly have that |
| 22:27.12 | xkr47 | i2c maybe ? |
| 22:27.27 | Psi_ | yes, i think that was planed, not sure which version has it though |
| 22:27.28 | Vegar | at least P2 will have a car kit with an external antenna |
| 22:27.48 | Vegar | charging = usb btw |
| 22:27.51 | SpeedEvil | I2C/SPI is solderable-to |
| 22:27.54 | usagi__ | ok cool |
| 22:27.56 | Psi_ | oh, right, i forgot |
| 22:28.07 | SpeedEvil | it's not brought out on a normal connector, only the debug connector |
| 22:28.14 | usagi__ | what is P2? Phase 2? |
| 22:28.18 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:28.21 | SpeedEvil | September |
| 22:28.25 | Vegar | and headset plug |
| 22:28.56 | Psi_ | yep headset plug is GND,MIC,SPKL,SPKR |
| 22:29.08 | usagi__ | The first one has no bluetoth or wifi right? |
| 22:29.09 | aloril | P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K): http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-April/000012.html http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F (WiFi status for P1.5 will be known for sure when P1 becomes available and also what kind of discount for P1.5 is given for P1 buyers) |
| 22:29.21 | Psi_ | first one HAS bluetooth |
| 22:29.38 | usagi__ | good, but no wifi |
| 22:29.42 | Psi_ | correct |
| 22:29.50 | xkr47 | afawk :) |
| 22:30.34 | Psi_ | P1+ is supposed to have wifi added |
| 22:30.42 | usagi__ | with wifi it would be posssible to switch between VOIP and cell networks |
| 22:30.52 | usagi__ | that would be awesome |
| 22:30.55 | Psi_ | yes, thats one of the reasons we all want it |
| 22:30.58 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 22:31.11 | xkr47 | if only bluetooth was popular and had longer range ;-) |
| 22:31.19 | Psi_ | heh |
| 22:31.20 | usagi__ | :) |
| 22:31.32 | Vegar | harald bluetooth |
| 22:32.05 | usagi__ | Is the screen OLED? |
| 22:32.34 | Psi_ | actually i don't know, good question, anyone? |
| 22:32.56 | xkr47 | let's check the hardware page |
| 22:33.00 | xkr47 | if it says backlight, then no |
| 22:33.23 | Psi_ | yeah, pretty sure it has a backlight |
| 22:33.25 | SpeedEvil | It's LCD |
| 22:33.29 | SpeedEvil | TFT+backlight. |
| 22:33.38 | SpeedEvil | Not reflective at all though. |
| 22:33.58 | usagi__ | LCD is bad in the sun though |
| 22:34.08 | xkr47 | isn't the reflectivity only up to the thin films on each side of the crystal glass ? |
| 22:34.08 | SpeedEvil | OLED isn't any better at the same power. |
| 22:34.18 | SpeedEvil | xkr47: not quite. |
| 22:34.31 | xkr47 | ok |
| 22:34.45 | SpeedEvil | You have a tradeoff between backlight and reflectivity. |
| 22:34.53 | SpeedEvil | If you have a mirror, you get max reflectivity. |
| 22:34.53 | xkr47 | true |
| 22:34.59 | SpeedEvil | But, no backlight can get through. |
| 22:34.59 | usagi__ | yeah |
| 22:35.11 | xkr47 | if you have the opposite.. you get great backlight transmission |
| 22:35.12 | SpeedEvil | The neo is the opposite - no reflector. |
| 22:35.26 | SpeedEvil | The amount of light getting out sucks though. |
| 22:35.35 | SpeedEvil | Half is eaten by the polariser. |
| 22:35.51 | SpeedEvil | Then 2/3 is eaten by hitting a pixel of the wrong colour. |
| 22:35.52 | xkr47 | should be a motor swapping the film behind the lcd between mirror and transmissive :) |
| 22:35.53 | usagi__ | I heard OLED uses less battery for the same brightness |
| 22:35.56 | SpeedEvil | So at best you get 1/3 out. |
| 22:36.05 | SpeedEvil | usagi__: it's complex. |
| 22:36.13 | SpeedEvil | OLED at teh moment is very inefficient. |
| 22:36.32 | usagi__ | oh |
| 22:36.41 | SpeedEvil | Compared to 'normal' LEDs |
| 22:37.16 | xkr47 | SpeedEvil, well if you are showing white pixels I guess they get 50% light? |
| 22:37.21 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 22:37.35 | xkr47 | sorry for making stupid assumptions and suggesting them out loud |
| 22:37.36 | xkr47 | :) |
| 22:37.47 | SpeedEvil | The light doesn't know that it needs to go through a red pixel if it's red. |
| 22:38.02 | SpeedEvil | So it can try to go through any pixel. |
| 22:38.13 | xkr47 | ah now I get it |
| 22:38.17 | SpeedEvil | And 2/3 of it hits the wrong sort. |
| 22:38.30 | SpeedEvil | So at best 1/6th of the light from the backlight gets out. |
| 22:38.52 | xkr47 | and if you're red, green or blue, only a third of that |
| 22:38.57 | SpeedEvil | It's similar - though worse for light coming through the front. |
| 22:39.12 | usagi__ | So do you think the phone is currently using the best display? |
| 22:39.21 | xkr47 | you're -> you're showing |
| 22:39.30 | SpeedEvil | Well - that's true, but on no display does it get three times as bright if you show red than white |
| 22:39.36 | SpeedEvil | usagi__: hard to say. |
| 22:39.41 | xkr47 | :) |
| 22:39.44 | usagi__ | yeah |
| 22:39.46 | SpeedEvil | It uses comparatively large amounts of power. |
| 22:39.53 | SpeedEvil | But it's good in medium-low light. |
| 22:40.12 | xkr47 | I guess you don't get much more dpi than what it gives |
| 22:40.22 | SpeedEvil | But you can't for example - have a screensaver with no backlight. |
| 22:40.36 | SpeedEvil | Which black and white LCDs can trivially give you at almost no power cost. |
| 22:41.26 | ynezz | lcd off is the best screensaver |
| 22:41.29 | ynezz | ;) |
| 22:41.36 | SpeedEvil | Well, I disagree. |
| 22:41.50 | SpeedEvil | If you can for almost no power have a near-fixed display, that can be very nice. |
| 22:41.56 | Vegar | why wouldn't it be possible to have the backlight on the sides of the LCD? |
| 22:41.58 | SpeedEvil | Showing clock, missed calls, ... |
| 22:41.59 | xkr47 | there should be a hole in the side letting light in to function as backlight ;) |
| 22:42.11 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: sides? |
| 22:42.14 | xkr47 | or in the back |
| 22:42.34 | Vegar | SpeedEvil: instead of behind |
| 22:42.37 | SpeedEvil | xkr47: that gets complex though. |
| 22:42.42 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: err - why? |
| 22:42.42 | xkr47 | sure |
| 22:43.00 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: you mean on the front? |
| 22:43.00 | usagi__ | :) |
| 22:43.00 | Vegar | SpeedEvil: yes |
| 22:43.19 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: You can - but then you tend to need to get it out at a reasonable angle, or it just bounces off. |
| 22:43.47 | SpeedEvil | So you'd need an LED sticking way up over the display |
| 22:43.51 | Vegar | ah |
| 22:44.05 | SpeedEvil | Which is not impossible - but would look strange. |
| 22:44.23 | Vegar | forgot about that |
| 22:44.35 | SpeedEvil | Also - touchscreens, and it gets messy. |
| 22:44.36 | Vegar | same technique used in fibre optics |
| 22:44.40 | SpeedEvil | As fingers cast shadows. |
| 22:44.48 | noidd | 'lo |
| 22:44.54 | SpeedEvil | ' |
| 22:45.25 | xkr47 | heh |
| 22:45.32 | xkr47 | hel'lo |
| 22:45.53 | SpeedEvil | OLED will probably evolve to the point in some years when it's efficient enough to replace LCDs. But it's not there yet - either in terms of efficiency or life. |
| 22:46.28 | SpeedEvil | emissive LCDs I mean, not reflective. |
| 22:46.34 | SpeedEvil | Then there is e-paper and stuff. |
| 22:46.35 | Psi_ | why not just polish the eyeballs of everyone who buys a phone :P pitchblack style |
| 22:46.43 | Psi_ | problem solved |
| 22:46.52 | xkr47 | what was it that the olpc had for display |
| 22:47.04 | SpeedEvil | It's a wierd reflective LCD, that may also have promise. |
| 22:47.21 | xkr47 | I heard in black-white mode the picture stays even without power |
| 22:47.27 | xkr47 | or maybe minimal power, dunno |
| 22:47.29 | SpeedEvil | Not true alas. |
| 22:47.32 | SpeedEvil | It's minimal power. |
| 22:47.41 | xkr47 | yeah thought so.. |
| 22:47.45 | SpeedEvil | There is an ASIC - or will be in the release version - that refreshes the screen. |
| 22:47.49 | SpeedEvil | Without the CPU needing to be on. |
| 22:47.53 | rwhitby | I worked on FLCD displays that kept the picture without power |
| 22:48.07 | SpeedEvil | That's a problem in the neo - the CPU has to be on at full speed in order to run the LCD. |
| 22:48.16 | xkr47 | :P |
| 22:48.57 | usagi__ | can you hook up, say a keyboard, to the usb port? |
| 22:49.00 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 22:49.03 | SpeedEvil | You'll need power. |
| 22:49.10 | Psi_ | ^ |
| 22:49.11 | SpeedEvil | However, bluetooth may be a better solution. |
| 22:49.22 | usagi__ | right |
| 22:49.28 | SpeedEvil | There are ~$30 credit-card sized bluetooth keybs. |
| 22:49.30 | usagi__ | is it usb 2.0? |
| 22:49.33 | Psi_ | nope |
| 22:49.33 | SpeedEvil | 11 |
| 22:49.40 | usagi__ | k |
| 22:49.50 | usagi__ | that's cool |
| 22:50.05 | Vegar | I believe 2.0 is overrated |
| 22:50.16 | usagi__ | just faster right? |
| 22:50.27 | Psi_ | they are limited by what chipset they can use because very few mobile chipsets are open |
| 22:50.43 | xkr47 | 2.0 is nice just so that the limit won't be 12M in case you need 20 |
| 22:50.51 | Psi_ | and the chipset they picked only had usb 1.1 |
| 22:51.04 | SpeedEvil | Few mobile low-power chipsets have usb2 |
| 22:51.09 | SpeedEvil | At least in host mode. |
| 22:52.25 | usagi__ | I actually don't know much about bluetooth, is there a limit to the number of devices you can have per antenna? |
| 22:53.37 | SpeedEvil | usagi__: Not really. |
| 22:53.59 | usagi__ | that's great |
| 22:54.13 | SpeedEvil | Some of the TI OMAP devices look interesting. Embedded DSP, and really low power. |
| 22:54.34 | Vegar | are there bluetooth displays? |
| 22:54.41 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 22:54.52 | xkr47 | I think the bandwidth wouldn't bee enough |
| 22:54.57 | SpeedEvil | Too slow for most stuff. |
| 22:54.58 | Vegar | hehe |
| 22:55.06 | SpeedEvil | Though you could have a bluetooth x terminal. |
| 22:55.15 | Vegar | a bluetooth-based docking station would be cool |
| 22:55.24 | xkr47 | bluetooth vt100 terminal ;) |
| 22:55.50 | SpeedEvil | xkr47: Now you're being silly. |
| 22:56.01 | xkr47 | yep :D |
| 22:56.06 | Kensan | xkr47, that's called ssh ;) |
| 22:56.24 | xkr47 | I just took an amber-coloured vtxxx terminal to the recycling senter |
| 22:56.28 | mjr | I thought the Neo _is_ a Bluetooth X terminal |
| 22:56.38 | xkr47 | man that little 10" think weighed as much as my 19" crt |
| 22:56.51 | SpeedEvil | mjr: I mean something like a 6" LCD with power lead and bluetooth. |
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| 22:57.11 | SpeedEvil | You connect to it as any other X display. |
| 23:01.20 | cjb | SpeedEvil: your IRC client has a bold colon again. |
| 23:01.36 | cjb | it's funny; my client can handle UTF8 just fine, but it doesn't like these control characters. |
| 23:01.41 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 23:01.44 | SpeedEvil | :: |
| 23:01.49 | cjb | that's fine |
| 23:02.27 | mjr | SpeedEvil, it only does it for (something that it guesses to be) a nick, apparently |
| 23:02.34 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 23:02.48 | usagi__ | What service do cell phones use to get internet, is it just broadcast through the network or something like satellite? |
| 23:03.00 | SpeedEvil | usagi__: same as the voice calls |
| 23:03.06 | mjr | usagi__, hmh? normal cell network |
| 23:03.23 | SpeedEvil | usagi__: there is an underlying data protocol, and they use that for voice and data and fax and sms and foo |
| 23:03.38 | usagi__ | okay |
| 23:03.51 | Vegar | unless they use GPRS? |
| 23:04.00 | SpeedEvil | GPRS is over GSM network |
| 23:04.12 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM |
| 23:04.32 | SpeedEvil | The protocol may just be used to negotiate the data on another frequency - things depend. |
| 23:04.54 | Vegar | and the neo does not support edge? |
| 23:04.58 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 23:05.12 | SpeedEvil | At the moment, GSM is 90% or so of the global market. |
| 23:05.23 | SpeedEvil | Edge radios are a bit more expensive. |
| 23:05.31 | SpeedEvil | And not everyone can use it. |
| 23:05.53 | Vegar | according to the wikipedia page, EDGE is over GSM |
| 23:06.02 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 23:06.13 | SpeedEvil | But it's not standard - and not rolled out everywhere. |
| 23:06.26 | Vegar | "Higher speed data transmission has also been introduced with EDGE in the Release '99 version of the standard." |
| 23:06.27 | SpeedEvil | Or ratehr - it's a newer standard. |
| 23:06.30 | Vegar | standard |
| 23:06.45 | Vegar | so for the neo to support edge, it'd need hardware changes |
| 23:07.36 | SpeedEvil | Same as for the faster CDMA/HSDPA/UMTS or whatever standards. |
| 23:07.51 | SpeedEvil | Though edge modems tend to be a bit cheaper than those. |
| 23:14.00 | usagi__ | is bluetooth something you could use for syncing apps with a base computer? |
| 23:14.44 | cjb | sure. |
| 23:16.07 | usagi__ | I think I'll buy 10 of thses when it's finished. :) |
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| 23:19.17 | usagi__ | I going to take off, thank you all for being so knowledgeable. This is a very exciting project ;) |
| 23:19.35 | SpeedEvil | Wave. |
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| 23:37.59 | Sufflope | counter |
| 23:38.00 | aloril | counter not yet updated, see laforge's busy entry at http://planet.openmoko.org P1: 2 days 18:11:00 (2.758 +-2.8 days) (1385;225) |
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| 23:43.47 | happycube | awesome news about the chinese phones... i hope most of em work! |
| 23:43.54 | happycube | (and that gta02v1 is in ;) ) |
| 23:44.13 | aloril | (script) planet: Holger "zecke" Freyther: WebKit/Gdk Google Gears http://zecke.blogspot.com/2007/06/webkitgdk-google-gears.html |
| 23:45.50 | happycube | that's also pretty cool |
| 23:45.51 | happycube | :) |
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| 23:53.23 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ3N19y_fSs |
| 23:53.25 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 23:53.33 | SpeedEvil | I was trying to copy the google-gears url. |
| 23:53.35 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 23:54.37 | SpeedEvil | gta02v1 = P1+? |
| 23:55.27 | SpeedEvil | And is the community list broken? |
| 23:57.03 | quinton | sorry if this is a dumb question, but is the sim card behind the GSM module? |
| 23:57.03 | aloril | quinton: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 23:57.07 | quinton | i mean, would you get data from it using at commands? |
| 23:57.29 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:57.42 | SpeedEvil | it's only connected to the GSM module as I unbderstand it. |