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| 00:08.53 | KragenSitaker | balrog-kun: cool! it's good to see TI opening up a bit |
| 00:17.10 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: where did you get the OMAP5910 docs without NDA? |
| 00:18.25 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/omap5910.html here |
| 00:18.40 | rwhitby | cool, thx. |
| 00:19.30 | balrog-kun | there are the NDAed 1510 docs circulating between some people, too, but i don't have them on my HD at the moment |
| 00:19.46 | rwhitby | not interested in NDA'd doco, thanks :-) |
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| 00:20.03 | balrog-kun | :) |
| 00:20.24 | balrog-kun | correct answer, i guess |
| 00:23.18 | balrog-kun | the "Abstract" links send you to the pages for full document downloads, BTW |
| 00:23.21 | balrog-kun | it may be mnisleading |
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| 00:37.30 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page/it]] |
| 00:38.26 | SpeedEvil | Is it possible to completely delete a wiki page? |
| 00:38.36 | SpeedEvil | For example, one who's title is spam. |
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| 00:52.36 | roh | hm.. what should a 150mhz cpu be good for? |
| 00:53.24 | balrog-kun | an oversized mp3 player |
| 00:54.51 | parag0n | mpeg player |
| 00:55.49 | roh | brrr |
| 00:56.03 | roh | which has a 25us$cpu? bwahaaaaa |
| 00:58.12 | SpeedEvil | 150MHz CPU - with onboard DSP |
| 00:58.27 | SpeedEvil | that can do 300 MMACs |
| 00:59.10 | balrog-kun | would work for a thin client to |
| 00:59.39 | balrog-kun | or teaching first year programming with Turbo Pascal as the language of choise ;) |
| 00:59.46 | balrog-kun | *choice |
| 00:59.46 | SpeedEvil | Camera interface too. |
| 00:59.58 | SpeedEvil | And USB host ports |
| 01:00.00 | SpeedEvil | (1.1) |
| 01:00.24 | balrog-kun | don't forget to use a black & white VGA monitor for that :) |
| 01:04.44 | SpeedEvil | What's the neo processor cost? |
| 01:08.28 | SpeedEvil | That one looks moderately low power. |
| 01:12.13 | loufoque | roh: a calculator |
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| 03:58.21 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) P1: 2 days 04:01:01 (2.167 +-2.2 days) (1363;222) |
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| 04:41.20 | mickey|ICE | *yawn* |
| 04:41.20 | mickey|ICE | morning |
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| 05:03.50 | paulproteus | Well we've got one day left for May. |
| 05:04.18 | mickey|ICE | hawaiian timezone? ;) |
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| 05:07.42 | mickey|ICE | morning roh |
| 05:08.30 | aloril | (script) planet: Michael "mickeyl" Lauer: OpenMoko on LinuxTag 2007 http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/06/01/openmoko-on-linuxtag-2007/ |
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| 05:10.11 | aloril | 7 hours for May (only ships at UTC-12 |
| 05:10.14 | aloril | ) |
| 05:11.35 | mickey|ICE | well, in 10 days i'm in Taipeh |
| 05:12.03 | mickey|ICE | then i have current info |
| 05:12.03 | mickey|ICE | s/current/updated/ |
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| 05:42.53 | Rakshasa | Morning |
| 05:43.23 | bluelightning | hello |
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| 06:06.02 | *** topic/#openmoko is OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Anyone can buy for $350 starting perhaps late May. <> Mass market in September. |
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| 06:22.03 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 35%) |
| 06:22.03 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 35%) |
| 06:26.10 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) |
| 06:26.10 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) |
| 06:31.19 | CM | counter |
| 06:31.20 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 14:44:20 (3.614 +-3.6 days) (1363;221) |
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| 07:20.16 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:44.48 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2113 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/hxd8-core.patch: HDX8: increase oversampling shift of TS driver (Johnny Wu) |
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| 07:52.00 | simon___ | counter? |
| 07:52.00 | aloril | "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 14:04:00 (3.586 +-3.6 days) (1364;221) |
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| 08:19.01 | ynezz | counter_msg -EAGAIN |
| 08:19.02 | aloril | ynezz changed counter prefix message to -EAGAIN |
| 08:19.08 | ynezz | oops |
| 08:19.11 | ynezz | :p |
| 08:19.44 | aloril | ;-) |
| 08:19.50 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) |
| 08:19.50 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) |
| 08:20.32 | ynezz | sorry ;) |
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| 08:22.49 | aloril | np |
| 08:23.02 | aloril | first time somebody else used it ;-) |
| 08:24.41 | aloril | (its actually meant to be used when something new happens and I'm not present) |
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| 08:26.49 | guaqua | aloril: how large percentage of the server's cpu cycles does that script take? :) |
| 08:27.10 | aloril | <1% |
| 08:27.17 | guaqua | okay :) |
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| 08:28.25 | Stephmw | mornin' |
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| 08:35.25 | hrw | morning |
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| 08:39.14 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 08:49.14 | Elrond | aloril - BTW: Why don't you move the counter wiki page to wiki.openmoko.org? |
| 08:50.49 | aloril | its unofficial |
| 08:51.12 | aloril | don't want to put guesses and rumors there |
| 08:53.51 | aloril | (in wiki.openmoko.org) |
| 08:55.00 | Elrond | Ahh, okay. That's a good reason. |
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| 08:58.53 | sannes | and, hopefully, it won't be of much use soon :P |
| 08:59.31 | LuitvD | counter |
| 08:59.32 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 13:30:14 (3.563 +-3.6 days) (1365;221) |
| 09:00.01 | LuitvD | ah damn, why is that probability going down again already :( |
| 09:00.09 | LuitvD | some news? |
| 09:01.34 | SpeedEvil | Maybe the counter maintainer has taken my very sensible suggestion of adding a USB Ouija board interface. |
| 09:02.23 | LuitvD | no WiFi 8-ball? |
| 09:02.32 | LuitvD | s/WiFi/bluetooth/ |
| 09:03.00 | sannes | I guess that the news that mass production is not finished (they are waiting for the factory) and thus QA has not even started yet (which I don't know how long it would take) could have caused a lower probability .. heh |
| 09:03.01 | LuitvD | ah, some 500 devices? unknown status |
| 09:03.35 | LuitvD | sannes: yeah, read it just now... this sucks... |
| 09:03.56 | LuitvD | for them too... they don't know the production yield yet, if the QA hasn't started |
| 09:04.03 | SpeedEvil | sannes: where? |
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| 09:04.44 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter#500_phones.3F_2007-05-31 |
| 09:04.45 | sannes | SpeedEvil: where what? |
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| 09:05.38 | LuitvD | click damn you :P not just point |
| 09:05.44 | Fletch_work | what does QA mean? |
| 09:05.47 | Richard | There's an error when I run xfbdev |
| 09:06.06 | Richard | LinuxInit: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory) |
| 09:06.08 | Elrond | Fletch_work - Quality A... something. |
| 09:06.15 | drath | hehehe |
| 09:06.35 | LuitvD | Fletch_work: quality assurance |
| 09:06.38 | sannes | :) |
| 09:06.42 | Fletch_work | k |
| 09:07.01 | LuitvD | afaik |
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| 09:08.49 | Richard | Hi, can anyone help me with xfbdev? |
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| 09:20.30 | Elrond | webjames - You were the one asking for "Neo in the Sun"? |
| 09:25.47 | Elrond | Ich muss da also net dringend hin. |
| 09:25.57 | Elrond | EWRONGWINDOW |
| 09:27.40 | webjames | Elrond: i don't remember i was, are you talking about a sun light readable display? |
| 09:28.25 | Elrond | webjames - More a sunlight-non-readable display. ;o) |
| 09:28.50 | Elrond | Ahh, jeddy3_ (just left), asked for it. ;) |
| 09:28.57 | webjames | Elrond: hmm, maybe. but what would the use be of that? |
| 09:30.33 | Elrond | webjames - Well, the question was, how readable the idsplay of the Neo is in the Sun. I've made some pics. |
| 09:31.04 | SpeedEvil | What it needs is a special case, with a black silk hood. |
| 09:31.12 | webjames | Elrond: ahh brilliant, that sounds like me |
| 09:31.13 | SpeedEvil | To place over the head. |
| 09:31.27 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - *lol* |
| 09:31.40 | Elrond | webjames - http://www.flickr.com/photos/elrond/sets/72157600292781326/detail/ |
| 09:31.50 | webjames | SpeedEvil: nice.. a bluetooth umbrella perhaps? |
| 09:33.11 | webjames | Elrond: i see what you mean, the only solution other than the silk hood would be to have a b&w for sunlight reading |
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| 09:36.09 | Elrond | jeddy3 - *ping* |
| 09:36.37 | jeddy3 | Elrond, yeah? |
| 09:37.21 | Elrond | jeddy3 - Neo in sunlight: http://www.flickr.com/photos/elrond/sets/72157600292781326/detail/ |
| 09:38.01 | jeddy3 | Elrond, yes i saw that :) |
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| 09:38.14 | Elrond | Ahh, okay. ;-) |
| 09:39.37 | jeddy3 | Elrond, but interesting, although a common problem, my present phone is definately not better either |
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| 09:58.35 | pavelm_away | Hello, everyone |
| 09:59.36 | pavelm | Actually, old zaurus 5500 had very nice color display (front-lit), readable nicely in bright sunglight. |
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| 09:59.36 | pavelm | (but colors were not that great in sunlight). |
| 09:59.41 | pavelm | ...it was also able to run w/o frontlight, so it ate very little power. |
| 10:00.47 | hrw | pavelm: 5500 display is shit. |
| 10:05.07 | Elrond | hehe. |
| 10:05.23 | pavelm | hrw: Well, 5500 display is nice in the sunlight and neo display is nice in the darkness. |
| 10:05.33 | pavelm | hrw: I'd actually prefer 5500 display. |
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| 10:06.29 | pavelm | hrw: because 5500 is okay in the darkness while neo is unusable in sunlight. |
| 10:06.49 | cheesy | counter |
| 10:06.49 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 12:56:35 (3.539 +-3.5 days) (1366;221) |
| 10:07.06 | cheesy | i hate these delays! |
| 10:07.19 | hads | You'll live |
| 10:08.01 | Elrond | cheesy - live with them. For a normal company, you would not even have gheard about the delays. You would have seen the product in October in the shop. ;o) |
| 10:08.04 | hrw | pavelm: I like sl-6000 screen |
| 10:08.07 | Elrond | ... with hw issues. ;o) |
| 10:08.12 | Psi_ | i have plenty of other projects to do, so the delays are fine with me, not really got any free time anyway |
| 10:09.33 | Elrond | Lorphos - hehe. ;-) |
| 10:09.37 | cheesy | waiting for half a year and still the days are getting more...I just want one of these babys |
| 10:09.45 | Psi_ | only thing i wish they'd do is weekly updates |
| 10:10.04 | Lorphos | yeah.. even if they just write "sorry, we didn't progress any further this week" |
| 10:10.09 | Elrond | cheesy - You don't want them with hw bugs. Really. |
| 10:10.10 | Psi_ | even if its only a few words like "still working on <X>" |
| 10:11.13 | Elrond | Psi_ - Yeah. *anything* would be fine. Even "We think, 500 were produced, but we're trying to find them" ;o) |
| 10:11.14 | pavelm | hrw: I never seen sl-6000 closely. I like olpc screen ;-) |
| 10:12.16 | Elrond | cheesy - the P0 bugs aren't fun, really. |
| 10:13.01 | Elrond | cheesy - I'm too careful to even put any SIM in it. |
| 10:13.39 | hrw | Elrond: I have simcard in bv3. paid 5 pln for that sim |
| 10:13.49 | hrw | 5 pln is 1.6 eur |
| 10:14.16 | cheesy | Elrond: you are right...but my phone was broken at the end of 2006 so i just waited till 2007 for the neo...i borrowed me another phone and told the owner he gets it back at the end of february(this was my buffer ;) ) and now every month i tell him...there were delays with the phone i want..but in one month it should be done |
| 10:15.01 | lrak | what about updating the topic mmh ? |
| 10:15.43 | hrw | lrak: topic is ok |
| 10:15.59 | Elrond | cheesy - You don't want the Neo NOW for a normal phone, really. The sofgftware is in bad shape (it can be updated in the field, that's why all the coreteam concentrates on HW currently.) |
| 10:16.43 | Elrond | cheesy - Get a really simple nice phone. :-) |
| 10:17.35 | pavelm | cheesy: Get siemens sx1, and run linux on it ;-) |
| 10:17.41 | Elrond | I'll keep my Siemens ME45. It has 10-14 days of standby, which I love. |
| 10:18.13 | Elrond | Anyway, I'm getting some food now. |
| 10:18.24 | LuitvD | same here |
| 10:18.25 | cheesy | ok :/ |
| 10:18.42 | ewon | heh, how the tables have turned |
| 10:18.49 | ewon | found a random webcam here in work |
| 10:19.01 | ewon | Just Works on my linux laptop |
| 10:19.08 | ewon | but cannot for the life of me find windows drivers for it |
| 10:20.55 | hrw | ewon: normal situation |
| 10:21.24 | LuitvD | no food yet :( |
| 10:22.01 | LuitvD | ewon: same thing for me with an USB to RS232 adapter :) |
| 10:22.52 | LuitvD | the only driver problem I have with my linux PC is with my camera |
| 10:23.05 | LuitvD | (Kodak P850 cam) |
| 10:24.02 | Lorphos | Btw, MiniUSB is now deprecated, MicroUSB is the new king in town ( http://www.usb.org/developers/Deprecation_Announcement_052507.pdf ) |
| 10:24.42 | LuitvD | lol |
| 10:24.46 | LuitvD | that's odd |
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| 10:25.18 | Lorphos | but with the unpowered USB i don't think FIC will try to get USB certification for the Neo1973 :) |
| 10:25.40 | kito_ | seems that late may has passed |
| 10:25.58 | LuitvD | kito_: sadly, yes it has |
| 10:26.14 | mjr | Lorphos, well, it could get USB _device_ certification |
| 10:26.31 | kito_ | was really hoping it would come out right as I arrived in europe. would've been excellent timing |
| 10:26.33 | mjr | the non-power host is just incidental ;) |
| 10:27.02 | Lorphos | mjr: :-) well then they better hurry because MiniUSB is about to be no longer certified (grace period has begun) |
| 10:27.02 | kito_ | looks like I might have to find and buy an unlocked phone, as I have non right now :( |
| 10:40.45 | pavelm | Did anyone get usb host to work, btw? |
| 10:41.11 | koen | yes |
| 10:41.16 | pavelm | I have bad problems with microSD cards (one does not work, one is not reliable) and big disk would be nice. |
| 10:41.18 | koen | bluetooth uses usb host |
| 10:41.40 | pavelm | koen: so... when I activate bluetooth, external usb connector will switch to usb host mode, too? |
| 10:41.55 | pavelm | koen: No... I do not think so, I can have active bluetooth but still connected to pc. |
| 10:42.18 | koen | [12:40] pavelm: Did anyone get usb host to work, btw? |
| 10:42.24 | koen | the answer to that is "yes" |
| 10:42.35 | koen | since bluetooth uses usbhost |
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| 10:43.44 | hrw | pavelm: s3c has to usb ports |
| 10:43.51 | hrw | 1 host only (BT here) |
| 10:44.03 | hrw | 1 host/device switchable (usb port here) |
| 10:44.26 | pavelm | koen: Ok, in that sense, I got usb host to work, too. |
| 10:44.41 | pavelm | hrw: Yes... is there a way to switch the second port? |
| 10:45.12 | hrw | pavelm: no one have proper cable |
| 10:45.21 | pavelm | hrw: I do :-) |
| 10:45.36 | hrw | pavelm: which? OTG usb host cable from zaurus? |
| 10:45.42 | pavelm | hrw: Or do you mean that switching is done by hardware according to the sense of 5th pin? |
| 10:45.58 | hrw | iirc yes |
| 10:46.03 | pavelm | hrw: I actually have a gender changer. It works okay with zaurus. |
| 10:46.25 | hrw | pavelm: zaurus is OTG |
| 10:46.27 | pavelm | hrw: but zaurus does switching in software, so I do not need anything on the 5th pin. |
| 10:46.32 | hrw | s3c2410 is not OTG |
| 10:47.02 | pavelm | hrw: So situation is "special cable is needed and thus noone tried it"? |
| 10:47.56 | hrw | more like that |
| 10:49.06 | pavelm | I guess I'll have to buy usb mini connector and do some hw hacking. |
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| 11:39.27 | woglinde | okay I am now heading to mickeyl's talk about openmoko |
| 11:44.28 | aloril2 | its still Friday for 16 minutes |
| 11:44.49 | kito_ | a lot more than that over here |
| 11:44.54 | aloril2 | (UCT-12) |
| 11:44.56 | SpeedEvil | "" |
| 11:45.28 | aloril2 | uups, I meant May ;-) (Thursday) |
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| 11:54.22 | Vegar | still no news? |
| 11:58.26 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 11:58.26 | aloril2 | no news really, but see counter page |
| 11:58.29 | SpeedEvil | Still no news. |
| 12:08.00 | pavelm | Is "don't run it without microSD card" warning still present for phase1 openmoko? |
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| 12:14.39 | kiney_ | counter |
| 12:14.40 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 11:52:40 (3.495 +-3.5 days) (1367;221) |
| 12:14.59 | _llll_ | 3 days +- 3.5 days? |
| 12:15.30 | kiney_ | *lol* |
| 12:15.45 | kiney_ | that does not happen the first time |
| 12:15.59 | kiney_ | that the tolerance is bigger then the estimation |
| 12:16.36 | kiney_ | so, it could be that there is already phase 1. but we just didn't notice (according to the counter) |
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| 12:21.51 | lrak | pavelm: ping |
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| 12:39.13 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[IPhone]] |
| 12:39.59 | pavelm | lrak: Yep? |
| 12:41.12 | lrak | pavelm: are u playing with sx1 ? |
| 12:41.38 | pavelm | lrak: Yes. I have linux running on it. |
| 12:43.33 | lrak | pavelm: what about the hardware handling ? the publicly available doc ? |
| 12:45.34 | lrak | pavelm: I got it is omap based but what about the specific stuff such as gsm, sound etc.. |
| 12:45.44 | pavelm | lrak: No docs is not available. |
| 12:45.52 | pavelm | lrak: But russian heroes are reverse-engineering it. |
| 12:46.05 | pavelm | lrak: It can make calls, but gprs is very unreliable. |
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| 12:48.30 | lrak | pavelm: Handhelds.org reports it C, gsm is WIP work in progress |
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| 12:52.06 | Fletch_work | counter |
| 12:52.07 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 11:33:56 (3.482 +-3.5 days) (1368;221) |
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| 12:52.14 | pavelm | lrak: Well, as I say, calls work. |
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| 13:00.19 | empty_mind | aloril, counter |
| 13:00.45 | empty_mind | is the counter closed now ? |
| 13:03.10 | _llll_ | counter |
| 13:03.10 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 11:28:25 (3.478 +-3.5 days) (1369;222) |
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| 13:11.48 | DukeOfURL | any news about the camera phone? |
| 13:11.50 | jackey | anyone here? |
| 13:12.00 | jackey | camera phone? |
| 13:13.53 | empty_mind | anynews about basic phone ? |
| 13:13.54 | DukeOfURL | Something about new camera phone software in the moko repository... |
| 13:14.19 | jackey | i got phase0 |
| 13:14.29 | jackey | but I can not make a call at all. |
| 13:14.31 | jackey | Wried |
| 13:16.41 | jackey | how can I tell it is Phase0 or Phase1 |
| 13:17.34 | hrw | jackey: easily |
| 13:17.42 | hrw | jackey: boot it and look into /proc/cpuinfo |
| 13:18.00 | hrw | Hardware : GTA01 |
| 13:18.00 | hrw | Revision : 0230 |
| 13:18.03 | hrw | this is bv3 |
| 13:18.06 | jackey | Processor : ARM920T rev 0 (v4l) |
| 13:18.08 | hrw | 0240 is bv4 |
| 13:18.28 | jackey | Hardware : GTA01 |
| 13:18.29 | jackey | Revision : 0240 |
| 13:18.36 | hrw | jackey: so you have bv4 |
| 13:18.45 | hrw | phase1 phone |
| 13:18.52 | jackey | bv4 is latest hardware/ |
| 13:18.59 | hrw | latest |
| 13:19.37 | jackey | I try to make a call with bv4 |
| 13:19.46 | jackey | but it does not work at all |
| 13:20.00 | jackey | do i need a debug board to debug this? |
| 13:20.09 | hrw | with dialer or via talking to gsm modem? |
| 13:20.21 | hrw | Hardware : GTA01 |
| 13:20.21 | hrw | Revision : 0230 |
| 13:20.22 | hrw | ops |
| 13:20.29 | hrw | jackey: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/05/29/how-to-check-does-gsm-modem-works/ |
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| 13:21.34 | jackey | After I input the number and click "dial", the application close |
| 13:21.40 | jackey | immediately |
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| 13:22.18 | hrw | dialer has problems |
| 13:22.27 | jackey | i c |
| 13:22.40 | jackey | hrw, where are you come from? |
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| 13:22.59 | hrw | PoznaÅ, Poland |
| 13:23.42 | jackey | i c |
| 13:23.48 | jackey | i am from China |
| 13:24.17 | hrw | I c |
| 13:25.22 | jackey | nice to meet u |
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| 13:26.06 | jackey | u got a debug board? |
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| 13:27.10 | hrw | I have |
| 13:27.18 | hrw | but to make calls you do not need debug board |
| 13:27.35 | hrw | ssh to phone and then go with istruction on my blog to check |
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| 13:33.55 | jackey | AT+CPIN="1234" |
| 13:33.57 | jackey | what is PIN |
| 13:34.07 | jackey | I do not know that? |
| 13:34.38 | hrw | jackey: you use other gsm phone? |
| 13:35.03 | jackey | yup |
| 13:35.14 | jackey | i had 2 GSM SIM card |
| 13:35.23 | jackey | one openmoko phone and one gsm phone |
| 13:35.26 | hrw | do you have to enter PIN code on start of phone? |
| 13:35.38 | jackey | i do not need to do that |
| 13:35.45 | jackey | no need |
| 13:35.50 | hrw | so you can skip AT+CPIN |
| 13:36.29 | jackey | it says NO CARRIER |
| 13:38.23 | hrw | after AT+CFUN=1 and AT+COPS one? |
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| 13:39.07 | jackey | yup |
| 13:39.17 | hrw | then no idea |
| 13:39.51 | jackey | how to quit from CU? |
| 13:40.09 | hrw | I usually login second time and use kill |
| 13:40.18 | pjz | I think it's ~. |
| 13:40.22 | pjz | like ssh |
| 13:40.25 | pjz | but I could be wrong |
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| 13:43.13 | jackey | let me try with another sim card |
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| 13:49.27 | jackey | hrw |
| 13:49.29 | jackey | AT+COPS |
| 13:49.30 | jackey | +CREG: 2 |
| 13:49.30 | jackey | +CREG: 1,"51D9","CB55" |
| 13:49.39 | hrw | so it works |
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| 13:50.41 | jackey | but when i try ATDxxxx; it outputs no carrers |
| 13:50.56 | jackey | ATD51887708; |
| 13:50.57 | jackey | %CPI: 1,9,0,0,0,0,"51887708",129,,,0 |
| 13:50.57 | jackey | %CPI: 1,8,0,0,,,,,,,0 |
| 13:50.57 | jackey | NO CARRIER |
| 13:50.57 | jackey | %CPI: 1,7,0,0,,,,,,,0 |
| 13:51.47 | hrw | hm. |
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| 13:52.39 | jackey | hrw, my bv4 has a wifi? |
| 13:52.44 | hrw | no |
| 13:53.21 | pavelm | jackey: Did you power on gsm / enter pin / etc? |
| 13:55.03 | jackey | i do not have pin for my sim card |
| 13:55.15 | pavelm | jackey: See the wiki, you still need to register to network etc. |
| 13:55.26 | jackey | hrw gave a helpful instruction http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/05/29/how-to-check-does-gsm-modem-works/ |
| 13:55.40 | hrw | pavelm: AT+COPS does network register |
| 13:55.42 | hrw | iirc |
| 13:56.25 | koen | AT+COPS calls the police |
| 13:56.28 | guaqua | hrw: would you accept a patch in that blog entry's subject? :> |
| 13:56.45 | koen | s/does/if/ ? |
| 13:57.38 | guaqua | yes, for example |
| 13:58.11 | hrw | I do not change posts few days after posting |
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| 14:08.14 | pavelm | got bluetooth network to work between zaurus and openmoko, good. |
| 14:08.19 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:08.39 | jackey | Hi SpeedEvil |
| 14:08.47 | SpeedEvil | Hi. |
| 14:09.31 | jackey | software is so buggy on bv4 |
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| 14:17.50 | jackey | hrw, when i did cu -E @ -l /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 14:20.36 | jackey | hrw, it works now |
| 14:20.47 | balrog-kun | it makes no sense complaining at a random development snapshot |
| 14:21.09 | jackey | the sim jack does not hold the SIM card very well |
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| 14:27.27 | rd_ | counter |
| 14:27.28 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 10:46:16 (3.449 +-3.4 days) (1370;223) |
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| 15:03.53 | jsheldon | so I'm taking a look at the "Building_OpenMoko_from_scratch" wiki page, I'm wondering what determines the "known to be goo" revision of OE's repository? |
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| 15:04.58 | jsheldon | is it updated often, or is openmoko "frozen" at that snapshot until an official stable OE release is made? |
| 15:08.11 | balrog-kun | it's frozen at some snapshots but i don't know how they are chosen |
| 15:08.25 | balrog-kun | it's updated but not so often |
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| 15:24.30 | jsheldon | balrog-kun: ok thanks for the info |
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| 15:38.28 | PBeck | hi |
| 15:38.33 | sannes | hi :) |
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| 16:10.38 | don-o | count |
| 16:10.46 | don-o | counter |
| 16:10.47 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 09:54:36 (3.413 +-3.4 days) (1371;223) |
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| 16:11.24 | don-o | aloril is peppermint patty, the neo is the football, and i am charlie brown. |
| 16:12.24 | amarsh04 | don't you mean Lucy, don-o? |
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| 16:16.02 | balrog-kun | hmm, scp to Neo is about 4 times faster than scp from Neo |
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| 16:16.41 | aloril | balrog-kun: what if you read file first into cache and then scp from Neo? |
| 16:19.48 | SpeedEvil | compression may be very assymetric in terms of CPU |
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| 16:21.58 | balrog-kun | aloril: hmm, i would have to check - this was reading from NAND when scp'ing from Neo to PC |
| 16:22.10 | balrog-kun | i thought scp would be the bottleneck rather than NAND |
| 16:22.36 | aloril | SpeedEvil: ah, yeah |
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| 16:44.14 | unmadindu | lol |
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| 16:45.44 | billl_ | counter |
| 16:45.44 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 09:37:08 (3.401 +-3.4 days) (1372;224) |
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| 17:00.17 | kito_ | *counter |
| 17:00.20 | kito_ | counter |
| 17:00.20 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 09:29:49 (3.396 +-3.4 days) (1373;225) |
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| 17:24.28 | balrog-kun | yay, booted a non-modular kernel, after making some fixes |
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| 17:30.36 | balrog-kun | backlight is not suspending though |
| 17:37.57 | kiney_ | counter |
| 17:37.57 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 09:11:01 (3.383 +-3.4 days) (1374;225) |
| 17:39.41 | Vegar | what's there to update? |
| 17:39.42 | don-o | a less than 50% probability - doesnt that mean "this value is likely NOT the real timeline"? |
| 17:40.39 | kito_ | not really a great probability, is it? |
| 17:41.41 | cheesy | i would say...wait till end of june...just my opinion |
| 17:42.15 | don-o | cheesy: yeah im thinking it'll come out with the iPhone |
| 17:42.28 | cheesy | when is that? |
| 17:43.35 | aloril2 | June probability is 75% total, which of course just a guess |
| 17:44.31 | cheesy | i go home crying with my bad phone |
| 17:44.39 | cheesy | cucu |
| 17:45.12 | Vegar | some guy called me today, asking about openmoko |
| 17:45.14 | aloril2 | few reasons for low % for next week: |
| 17:45.18 | Vegar | has anyone else experienced that? |
| 17:46.58 | aloril2 | 1) there might not even exits produced phones at May: if so, then next doesn't sound that likely |
| 17:48.17 | aloril2 | 2) there are many things than can go wrong (for example at extreme end all 500 (or 1000) phones produced are bricks |
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| 17:52.08 | aloril2 | Vegar: both pages talk about May, maybe s/May/when its ready, hopefully soon/ or something like that |
| 17:52.21 | Vegar | ok |
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| 18:37.21 | kito_ | may of what year |
| 18:37.40 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:40.16 | kito_ | sounds about right |
| 18:40.39 | Rakshasa | late may in the year hell freezes over. 2525 is as good a quess as any. |
| 18:41.39 | SpeedEvil | it may be 1-several weeks. |
| 18:43.31 | don-o | its just that its been 1-several weeks all year :( |
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| 20:28.29 | Elrond | tmp$ ipkg install -force-downgrade kernel-module-bluetooth_2.6-moko10-r2_0_2108_0_fic-gta01.ipk |
| 20:28.32 | Elrond | Package kernel-module-bluetooth (2.6.21.1-moko10-r0_0_1883_0) installed in root is up to date. |
| 20:28.35 | Elrond | Nothing to be done |
| 20:28.38 | Elrond | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.40 | Elrond | Anybody any idea, what's going on there? |
| 20:31.29 | roh | bt is beeing fixed right now |
| 20:33.06 | Elrond | Hmm, that doesn't explain the funny ipkg behaviour. |
| 20:33.56 | Elrond | Is BT broken? |
| 20:34.43 | mikesh | counter |
| 20:34.43 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 07:42:38 (3.321 +-3.3 days) (1375;225) |
| 20:37.00 | don-o | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:37.10 | roh | Elrond minimal... just the reset was inverted, thus it needed a extra toggle recently |
| 20:37.55 | Elrond | Ahh. ;-) |
| 20:38.37 | Elrond | roh - BTW: Is anybody looking at the backlight? (I tried to read the sources, and did not see any obvious bugs.) |
| 20:38.51 | roh | Elrond yep.. is beeing worked on |
| 20:43.39 | Elrond | Great. :-) |
| 20:43.49 | Elrond | So it also affects Bv04? :-) |
| 20:44.56 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: yes |
| 20:47.11 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Ahh. :-) |
| 20:47.59 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Just have my first visit in the CCCB with Laf=rge, roh, alphaone, Shoragan and mickey|zzZzzz |
| 20:51.48 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - :-) |
| 20:56.28 | balrog-kun | Elrond: is the backlight not working in the stock kernel for you? |
| 20:57.28 | balrog-kun | Elrond: i jsut built a kernel with custom options and i'm going through all the bugs i'm hitting, bl is also not working for me but i already got the thing to boot :) |
| 20:58.12 | balrog-kun | i found something suspicious in the backlight driver, hopefully i will find out more |
| 20:59.34 | balrog-kun | Elrond: is the battery life indicator working? |
| 21:01.46 | alphaone | good night everyone. |
| 21:01.51 | alphaone | Happy hacking |
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| 21:05.01 | Elrond | balrog-kun - You mean like it showing a half full battery? |
| 21:06.04 | Elrond | balrog-kun - Yes, just tried. I unplugged the usb cable and it showed half full. |
| 21:07.03 | balrog-kun | Elrond: okay, thanks for checking |
| 21:08.14 | Elrond | I have openmoko-panel-battery - 0.0.1+svnnow-r0_1587 |
| 21:09.10 | Elrond | Hmm, there's a new openmoko-panel-battery. Should I try it? |
| 21:10.11 | balrog-kun | i haven't touched my rootfs yet, only playing with linux |
| 21:12.04 | Elrond | balrog-kun - Okay. |
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| 21:20.25 | Elrond | balrog-kun - What is the suspicious part of the backlight driver you found? |
| 21:22.10 | balrog-kun | Elrond: that max_brightness had different value during _probe than later during _update |
| 21:22.29 | balrog-kun | Elrond: now i just found the possible cause and it's quite silly, gonna test in a minute |
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| 21:23.17 | balrog-kun | it looks like it's only a coincidence that the backlight was not being totally turned off during _probe, because of that error :) |
| 21:23.37 | Elrond | Huh? |
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| 21:38.39 | balrog-kun | backlight is working now, i still have problems with bluetooth |
| 21:39.28 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2115 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-backlight.patch: fix GTA01 backlight driver / 2.6.21.x kernel API |
| 21:39.47 | Elrond | Ahhh, great. :-) |
| 21:40.16 | balrog-kun | ugh, laforge probably fixed the same thing... |
| 21:41.13 | Elrond | ;o) |
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| 21:48.59 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03stefan * r2116 10/trunk/oe/ (4 files in 3 dirs): |
| 21:48.59 | CIA-27 | openmoko: * matchbox-desktop-2 recipe from poky |
| 21:48.59 | CIA-27 | openmoko: * Use matchbox-desktop-2 instead of matchbox-desktop |
| 21:49.01 | _Jana_ | hi! |
| 21:49.03 | Rince | evening |
| 21:49.51 | Elrond | Hi Rince. :-) |
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| 21:51.24 | Rince | *g |
| 21:51.44 | Vegar | 2125? |
| 21:52.03 | Elrond | Vegar - kernel revision. |
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| 21:52.13 | Vegar | ah |
| 21:52.15 | Elrond | Rince - ;) |
| 21:52.22 | Vegar | wait.. |
| 21:52.36 | Vegar | is it in the same repository as the rest of openmoko? |
| 21:54.14 | Elrond | Yes. |
| 21:54.28 | Elrond | 2115... excuse. ;-) |
| 21:55.21 | Rince | *G* |
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| 21:56.50 | Vegar | ah, ok |
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| 22:06.14 | SpeedEvil | rince - http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/openstreetmap |
| 22:06.19 | SpeedEvil | Needs proper polishing |
| 22:06.27 | SpeedEvil | proto-application page |
| 22:07.05 | Rince | I know ;) |
| 22:07.21 | Rince | but I am not a programmer |
| 22:09.12 | SpeedEvil | no programming needed. |
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| 22:14.19 | LuitvD | counter |
| 22:14.19 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 06:52:50 (3.287 +-3.3 days) (1376;225) |
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| 22:15.03 | LuitvD | I hope waiting for this will be shorter then the other thing that I'm waiting for.. |
| 22:15.24 | Vegar | Is the other thing Duke Nukem Forever? |
| 22:15.37 | LuitvD | Vegar: not really :) |
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| 22:15.54 | Elrond | *lol* |
| 22:16.00 | LuitvD | graduation... *nervous* |
| 22:16.09 | Elrond | A friend already compared the Neo with "Duke Nukem Forever" ;o) |
| 22:16.19 | LuitvD | lolol |
| 22:16.37 | Rince | *grin* |
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| 22:16.52 | LuitvD | really hope the neo takes less time... I hear if I graduated or not in 14 days |
| 22:16.53 | Rince | LuitvD: StarCraft II? |
| 22:17.12 | SpeedEvil | LuitvD: Congratulations! (in advance) |
| 22:17.18 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: thanks :) |
| 22:17.27 | SpeedEvil | Hopeful? |
| 22:17.41 | LuitvD | (you have the honour of being the first to congratulate me XD ) |
| 22:17.55 | SpeedEvil | Magic-8-ball says: Meh - get a degree of the internet, it's easier. |
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| 22:18.41 | LuitvD | I think I'll graduate... needed 4,5 out of 10 for each exam, except for english, which could be 3 out of 10 |
| 22:18.58 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:19.06 | don-o | DNF. lol. |
| 22:19.12 | LuitvD | dnf? |
| 22:19.27 | don-o | duke nukem forever |
| 22:19.34 | LuitvD | XD |
| 22:19.39 | don-o | XD? |
| 22:19.44 | LuitvD | the XD face |
| 22:20.02 | don-o | ah. dang everything can be a face these days. |
| 22:20.06 | LuitvD | tightly shut eyes, and a big smile |
| 22:20.44 | don-o | the Optimus Keyboard |
| 22:20.50 | don-o | thats hardware that was a long time in the coming |
| 22:20.57 | LuitvD | don-o: http://images.google.nl/images?q=XD ... to give you an impression |
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| 22:21.03 | SpeedEvil | It's not come yet has it? |
| 22:21.13 | SpeedEvil | They have only announced preorders to come in Dec. |
| 22:21.17 | don-o | SpeedEvil: they are takin orders |
| 22:21.19 | SpeedEvil | To ship in Dec. |
| 22:21.28 | don-o | yeah thats all i know |
| 22:21.42 | LuitvD | so what's dnf about? |
| 22:21.44 | Vegar | Optimus? |
| 22:21.48 | Vegar | the one with the OLED keys? |
| 22:21.51 | Rince | they take the orders since may 23rd |
| 22:21.52 | LuitvD | yes |
| 22:21.52 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: yes |
| 22:22.06 | Rince | and it is quite expensive |
| 22:22.07 | LuitvD | Vegar: for about 1600 dollars each |
| 22:22.08 | SpeedEvil | Rince: I saw on blog they'd finished preorder. |
| 22:22.10 | SpeedEvil | All filled. |
| 22:22.15 | Rince | you get nearly 5 neo1973 for it ;) |
| 22:22.25 | parag0n__ | it doesnt look anywhere near as nice as the prototype renders |
| 22:22.35 | LuitvD | parag0n__: really? |
| 22:22.42 | woglinde | led longs 3 years I read |
| 22:22.44 | Vegar | it requires "At least 256 MB of RAM." |
| 22:22.46 | parag0n__ | the oleds dont fill the entire button, they're just in the corner |
| 22:22.49 | SpeedEvil | I have doubts about the design. |
| 22:23.03 | SpeedEvil | I suspect it might be cheaper to use 'large' oled's, with fibre bundles. |
| 22:23.05 | parag0n__ | at least, that appears the be the case from the phtos |
| 22:23.20 | LuitvD | parag0n__: yes, but the resolution is 4 times the res they planned at first |
| 22:23.22 | SpeedEvil | Each display doing 10-20 butto0ns. |
| 22:24.26 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2117 10/trunk/oe/conf/site.conf: revert inadvertent change from svn commit 1612. this caused builds on hosts != buildhost to build packages from the wrong repository |
| 22:24.37 | LuitvD | parag0n__: the displays are pretty much dead center... |
| 22:25.07 | LuitvD | heheheh, the optimus maximus has a kensington-lock slot :) |
| 22:25.39 | parag0n__ | all the big keys look really bad from above, but that might just be because of the camera used |
| 22:25.49 | LuitvD | OMG, alt lebedev found the ANY key :D |
| 22:25.50 | LuitvD | http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/optimus_maximus_01.jpg |
| 22:26.45 | parag0n__ | haha, if i had one, i'd probably assign scroll lock to have 'Any Key' written on it |
| 22:27.07 | Rince | only scroll lock? |
| 22:27.08 | LuitvD | parag0n__: I guess it's shot with a polaroid filter on the camera... so this is what the keyboard looks like when you wear your polaroid sunglasses |
| 22:27.17 | parag0n__ | haha |
| 22:27.27 | LuitvD | Rince: damn, beaten :P |
| 22:27.29 | parag0n__ | have all the keys displaying 'Any Key' |
| 22:27.35 | LuitvD | just wanted to say that :P |
| 22:27.39 | Rince | yepp |
| 22:27.44 | parag0n__ | that'd be awesome |
| 22:27.55 | LuitvD | that would be grand... to have 100 'any' keys :D |
| 22:28.01 | Rince | biut only(!) if there is a popup saying "press any key to continue, but every key at the same time" :) |
| 22:28.19 | LuitvD | :) |
| 22:29.06 | SpeedEvil | It'd be nice if it was fast enough to do full motion video. |
| 22:29.42 | LuitvD | build a small program that scans your screen for some "press the $someKey$ key to $doSomething$" and change all the keys to $someKey$ :D |
| 22:29.57 | LuitvD | or even better, make that $someKey$ dissapear :D |
| 22:30.11 | LuitvD | or run around in circles over your keyboard, hahahaha |
| 22:30.23 | LuitvD | that'd be massive |
| 22:31.03 | CoreDump|home | re |
| 22:32.05 | LuitvD | wb CoreDump|home |
| 22:32.49 | Vegar | too bad there aren't windows drivers |
| 22:36.12 | LuitvD | that took a while :P |
| 22:36.18 | Vegar | I mean.. |
| 22:36.23 | Vegar | too bad there aren't linux drivers |
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| 22:37.09 | Elrond | Apropos: I tried the neo at a friend's XP box... it wanted some drivers ;o) |
| 22:37.18 | LuitvD | Vegar: still, who'd want a 1600 dollar keyboard? |
| 22:37.25 | Elrond | I mean, I connected it via usb. ;o) |
| 22:37.31 | SpeedEvil | Given unlimited money. |
| 22:37.39 | LuitvD | hmm |
| 22:37.45 | Vegar | LuitvD: rich people |
| 22:37.48 | SpeedEvil | There are lots of things I'd buy first. |
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| 22:37.59 | SpeedEvil | Washer/dryer, nice fridge, laptop, ... |
| 22:38.03 | balrog-kun | i'd like a $1600 keyboard so i could sell it and buy something more useful :) |
| 22:38.06 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: yeah, ah well, same here I guess... |
| 22:38.15 | SpeedEvil | 2*neo |
| 22:38.20 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: good one :) I always think like that too |
| 22:38.28 | balrog-kun | :D |
| 22:38.47 | balrog-kun | the design is really innovative though |
| 22:38.48 | LuitvD | balrog-kun: try to win things, even if you don't want the things you'll win :) |
| 22:38.52 | SpeedEvil | I will note that 20" or so widescreen displays are about the same price. |
| 22:38.58 | SpeedEvil | Err |
| 22:38.59 | balrog-kun | one of very few innovative things in last couple of years |
| 22:39.00 | SpeedEvil | same size |
| 22:39.10 | SpeedEvil | It's not really innovative. |
| 22:39.22 | SpeedEvil | Keyboards with LCDs in the keycaps have been around for years. |
| 22:39.34 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: let's say it's an idea i'd never come up with, and it looks cool :) |
| 22:39.34 | SpeedEvil | I forget the brand-name. |
| 22:39.49 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: err, Logitech? |
| 22:39.52 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 22:39.54 | LuitvD | hahahah |
| 22:39.58 | SpeedEvil | Industrial company. |
| 22:39.58 | LuitvD | what no? |
| 22:40.01 | Elrond | Hmm, no new kernel on buildhost. |
| 22:40.07 | LuitvD | logitech did it once too... |
| 22:40.17 | Vegar | is any of the coreteam members awake and online? |
| 22:40.31 | SpeedEvil | The ones I'm talking of have been around for around a decade. |
| 22:41.13 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 22:41.49 | LuitvD | omg, suddenly noticed our 'kidney competition show' is international news :D |
| 22:41.58 | woglinde | uitvd yes |
| 22:42.16 | LuitvD | it's been quite a hit here, but didn't know the BBC had quite some info on it :D |
| 22:42.19 | woglinde | we germans are not amused |
| 22:42.24 | LuitvD | woglinde: why not? |
| 22:42.33 | woglinde | luitvd ask our politics |
| 22:42.49 | koen | because germany owns all are kidneys, as well as our bikes |
| 22:43.20 | LuitvD | koen: not to forget our supermarkets :) |
| 22:43.29 | SpeedEvil | All your base? |
| 22:43.35 | woglinde | all your vla |
| 22:44.02 | LuitvD | woglinde: what's wrong with kicking everyone to get attention, and then show the people who's attention you have what's wrong in the world? |
| 22:44.06 | koen | germans are suckers for vla and bitterballen |
| 22:44.23 | LuitvD | and hagelslag and drop :) |
| 22:44.25 | woglinde | luitvd personal it dont buffer me |
| 22:44.35 | woglinde | uh whats bitterballen? |
| 22:44.49 | LuitvD | woglinde: something unexplainable ;) |
| 22:45.17 | LuitvD | woglinde: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitterballen |
| 22:46.01 | LuitvD | woglinde: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Febo5.JPG those things, but then spherical |
| 22:46.51 | woglinde | jesus |
| 22:46.58 | woglinde | I will never taste it |
| 22:47.19 | LuitvD | woglinde: ever had Ragoƻt? |
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| 23:05.13 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2118 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-power_control.patch: fix bluetooth power-up routine (make sure device reset is used correctly) |
| 23:05.41 | Vegar | meh |
| 23:05.45 | Vegar | why isn't laforge in IRC? |
| 23:06.19 | Rince | he is |
| 23:06.19 | SpeedEvil | Because he's off fighting evil? |
| 23:06.23 | Rince | at least usually ;) |
| 23:06.23 | Rince | but mostly not on this chnanel |
| 23:06.23 | SpeedEvil | Or working on stuff. |
| 23:06.28 | Rince | most of the time he is simply fighting with or against the hardware :) |
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| 23:07.27 | Vegar | meh |
| 23:07.32 | Vegar | I need to confirm something |
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| 23:09.14 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 23:09.29 | SpeedEvil | Someone here may know. |
| 23:09.35 | Rince | just ask |
| 23:09.38 | Rince | or ask on the mailinglist |
| 23:09.47 | SpeedEvil | Worst case, we all point and laugh. |
| 23:09.54 | Psi_ | ^ |
| 23:09.59 | Vegar | nope, none of you know the answer |
| 23:10.32 | Vegar | I got a phone call today |
| 23:10.33 | Vegar | need to verify it |
| 23:10.36 | Rince | write Harald a Mail |
| 23:10.43 | Rince | that's the best guess |
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| 23:13.48 | Vegar | good idea |
| 23:13.59 | Rince | do you have his mailaddress? |
| 23:14.06 | Vegar | nope |
| 23:14.28 | Vegar | do you? |
| 23:14.36 | rwhitby | it's on every message he posts to all the openmoko mailing lists, and also multiple times in the kernel source |
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| 23:15.33 | Vegar | ok |
| 23:15.34 | Vegar | thanks |
| 23:16.02 | rwhitby | hope there's a good reason for the shroud of secrecy ... |
| 23:16.29 | Vegar | why? doesn't he like emails? |
| 23:16.36 | SpeedEvil | rwhitby: It's to keep the laser cannons secret. |
| 23:18.16 | rwhitby | Vegar: no, I mean you turning up in the channel, talking about "something" and then not saying what that "something" is. whether you say or not is your business, but it's usual not to mention a thing on IRC if you're not able to discuss it. hence it seems like there's something secret that you need to discuss with harald. |
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| 23:18.54 | Vegar | no, it's not something secret |
| 23:18.57 | Vegar | it's called privacy |
| 23:19.08 | rwhitby | (sorry, I should not hage said "turning up in the channel" - I don't know how long you've been here) |
| 23:19.36 | rwhitby | Vegar: no problem. I'm just saying that's the reason why you're experiencing the weird reaction of people to your questions. |
| 23:19.45 | Vegar | hehe |
| 23:20.55 | rwhitby | if you say "I need to confirm something" and "I got a phone call today" on a channel where there are 220 people waiting for news, you're sure to raise some conspiracy theories :-) |
| 23:21.02 | happycube | ;) |
| 23:21.08 | woglinde | lol |
| 23:21.15 | Psi_ | heh |
| 23:21.32 | kiney_ | counter |
| 23:21.32 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: 3 days 06:19:14 (3.263 +-3.3 days) (1377;225) |
| 23:21.38 | happycube | anyone know how hxd8 relates to gta01/gta02/etc? |
| 23:21.59 | Vegar | nobody even knows what hxd8 is |
| 23:22.03 | rwhitby | my guess is that hxd8 is the first product in a new product line parallel to the neo1973 line. |
| 23:22.09 | happycube | ahhhh ok |
| 23:22.20 | happycube | someone wiki'd the link to the hxd8's use of the 2440 and stuff |
| 23:22.24 | pjz | Vegar: sort of true; but we've got hardware specs! |
| 23:22.34 | Vegar | yeah, except that, of course |
| 23:22.38 | rwhitby | (note "guess" - we only know technical details of the kernel port, no application or form factor details) |
| 23:23.07 | happycube | that smedia chip sounds sweet if it can make it in though |
| 23:23.08 | happycube | :) |
| 23:23.32 | SpeedEvil | If and only if it reduces power under normal cases. |
| 23:23.39 | rwhitby | my guess is a portable media player with gsm capability. |
| 23:23.50 | happycube | that'd be cool too |
| 23:24.16 | SpeedEvil | I don't want it if it increases power use when not playing videos, and costs extra. |
| 23:24.26 | SpeedEvil | Unless the costs are very small. |
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| 23:29.59 | pjz | rwhitby: by gsm you mean phone? |
| 23:31.24 | pjz | so like a cross between a blackberry and an iPod |
| 23:31.24 | rwhitby | pjz: yeah, phone |
| 23:31.25 | pjz | I must say, I think I'm losing faith in openmoko |
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| 23:31.29 | pjz | the original original ship date was, what? february? |
| 23:31.38 | SpeedEvil | Jan wasn't it? |
| 23:31.51 | Vegar | February IIRC |
| 23:31.56 | pjz | I thought it was Jan but that might've been P0 |
| 23:32.49 | happycube | i think the very original plan was dec for p0 and jan for p1 |
| 23:35.24 | pjz | happycube: yup, you're right. http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS2986976174.html has the original plan: p0 in december, p1 in jan |
| 23:36.24 | pjz | but hey, what's 5 months slippage ? |
| 23:36.44 | pjz | ...of a product with an expected lifetime of maybe 3 years? |
| 23:36.49 | SpeedEvil | I understand slippage. |
| 23:37.08 | SpeedEvil | I'djust like updates. |
| 23:37.29 | pjz | that too |
| 23:37.54 | pjz | I've been holding out for ages |
| 23:38.02 | pjz | I should've put the money I put aside into a CD :P |
| 23:38.48 | don-o | SpeedEvil: amen to that. |
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| 23:40.00 | SpeedEvil | pjz: classical, rap, or country? |
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| 23:45.52 | happycube | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005407.html - on hxd8 |
| 23:46.23 | happycube | not that he says anything but eh ;) |
| 23:46.38 | CIA-27 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2119 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-mainmenu/src/ (mokodesktop.c mokodesktop.h stylusmenu.c): use PATH_MAX where apropriate |
| 23:47.05 | Vegar | at least he confirms it's a device |
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| 23:56.08 | kito_ | into a CD, now that would've been bloody brilliant |
| 23:58.57 | happycube | vegar - yup |
