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| 02:07.45 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> Re: information efficient text enty using dasher |
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| 02:51.05 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 04:34:39 (1.191 +-1.2 days) (1330;218) |
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| 04:34.46 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Neo1973]] |
| 04:40.38 | aloril | hmm.. HXD8 has different screen size than GTA01* and GTA02 most likely has same screen as GTA01, so.. latest Neo1973 edit seems wrong |
| 04:42.23 | wiml | hmmm |
| 04:42.46 | wiml | (I'm the one who made that edit) |
| 04:42.50 | wiml | it's a weird contradictory-seeming piece of information |
| 04:43.05 | wiml | maybe the comment in the patch is simply incorrect |
| 04:43.31 | rwhitby | which comment? |
| 04:43.53 | rwhitby | I doubt that HXD8 is a successor in the Neo1973 phone product line |
| 04:44.03 | rwhitby | more likely the first in a new product line |
| 04:46.06 | wiml | the one that suggests that the HXD8 is also a Neo1973 |
| 04:46.50 | wiml | the help string for the HXD8 machine type is "Say Y here if you are using the FIC Neo1973 GSM Phone" |
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| 04:55.44 | rwhitby | I'd suspect that's just a cut and paste, or an intention not-telling-what-it-is. |
| 04:55.51 | rwhitby | s/intention/intentional/ |
| 05:04.28 | aloril | wiml: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005411.html |
| 05:05.24 | aloril | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005469.html |
| 05:09.05 | wiml | I noted the probable incorrectness on the wiki page :) |
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| 06:34.46 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Neo1973]] |
| 06:39.19 | sannes | counter |
| 06:39.19 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 02:40:32 (1.111 +-1.1 days) (1331;218) |
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| 07:07.54 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:10.27 | Fletch_work | counter |
| 08:10.27 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 40%) P1: a day 01:54:58 (1.080 +-1.1 days) (1332;218) |
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| 08:13.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2099 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 08:13.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-application.c: |
| 08:13.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-application.h: |
| 08:13.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Remove moko_application_get_style_pixmap_dir() |
| 08:13.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-tool-box.c: (cb_configure): Don't use |
| 08:13.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: moko_applicatoin_get_style_pixmap () as it uses some false assumptions. |
| 08:14.31 | webjames | morning |
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| 08:27.10 | Kraln | where do I go to pledge support for CDMA? |
| 08:27.10 | aloril | Kraln: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 08:27.48 | Kraln | grep cmda (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ) = no results. |
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| 08:34.24 | aloril | Kraln: put it to hardware wishlist |
| 08:34.45 | aloril | (if not there already ;-) |
| 08:34.45 | Kraln | it's not there, either. |
| 08:34.52 | Kraln | lasers, ir leds, all sorts of stupid shit |
| 08:34.54 | Kraln | but no cdma |
| 08:35.26 | CM | Guess that means not many want cdma ;) |
| 08:35.37 | Kraln | CM: that's a silly guess |
| 08:35.50 | Stephmw | mornin' |
| 08:35.50 | CM | Why? |
| 08:35.50 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] |
| 08:35.52 | Kraln | people who do serious data with their phones use EVDO. |
| 08:35.56 | Kraln | edge has nothing on evdo |
| 08:36.02 | CM | What about UMTS? |
| 08:36.16 | CM | And agreed, edge sucks |
| 08:36.31 | Kraln | is umts 4mbit ? |
| 08:36.35 | Rince | edge is nice in parts where no UMTS is |
| 08:36.44 | CM | 2, best case I think |
| 08:37.45 | CM | I get by on gprs too, but only for email and rss (Maybe some OperaMini also) |
| 08:38.47 | Kraln | sprint has unlimited evdo for $15/mo |
| 08:39.00 | CM | How fast is that? |
| 08:39.08 | CM | And only in US.. |
| 08:39.14 | Kraln | and south korea |
| 08:39.18 | CM | :) |
| 08:39.20 | Kraln | and anywhere else that cdma is used |
| 08:39.59 | Kraln | like japan... |
| 08:40.17 | Kraln | austrailia |
| 08:40.56 | Kraln | 373 million subscribers |
| 08:41.06 | Kraln | http://cdg.org/worldwide/index.asp |
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| 08:41.37 | CM | Ok, over 2 billion gsm, so it's about a factor 6 or so between them |
| 08:42.09 | Kraln | how many of those two billion gsm can afford phones more than $50 ? |
| 08:42.24 | Kraln | ;) |
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| 08:42.54 | CM | Probably at least as many as the cdma subscribers, but still. Even steven :) |
| 08:44.05 | hads|home | The only CDMA provider here is switching to GSM :) |
| 08:44.36 | ewon | morning |
| 08:44.36 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 30%) |
| 08:44.36 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 30%) |
| 08:44.44 | Kraln | still |
| 08:44.51 | Kraln | would you ignore 373 000 000 customers? |
| 08:44.58 | CM | aloril: Still 30%? You're quite an optimist |
| 08:45.00 | Kraln | that's an awful lot of people to ignore |
| 08:45.06 | CM | Kraln: Yes, I think they will |
| 08:45.09 | aloril | CM: yeah ;-) |
| 08:45.33 | CM | Not because they want to, but because they need another chipset I guess |
| 08:45.36 | aloril | (for 2 days) |
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| 08:47.12 | Kraln | even CDMA 1XRTT is better than edge |
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| 08:47.24 | aloril | still no beep, I wonder if May runs out before there is beep |
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| 08:49.58 | aloril | still I think next 2 days is more likely than next year |
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| 08:52.37 | buz | cdma is entirely the wrong technology for an open phone |
| 08:52.48 | buz | simply cant work without the carriers assistance which is the last thing you want |
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| 08:53.23 | wehttamb | counter |
| 08:53.24 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 30%) P1: a day 01:33:30 (1.065 +-1.1 days) (1333;218) |
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| 08:53.46 | Kraln | buz: qualcomm owns the patents on gsm, cdma, and cell technologies |
| 08:53.53 | Vitaly | hehe, hope counter does not lie |
| 08:54.56 | buz | Kraln: yes, still gsm is a lot more useful for the intended market |
| 08:55.17 | buz | heck even nokia, aka biggest mobile vendor there is, largely ignores cdma |
| 08:55.49 | Kraln | why should what nokia does have any bearing on what openmoko does |
| 08:56.06 | CM | gsm has better sound quality too |
| 08:56.10 | hrw | morning |
| 08:56.48 | Kraln | CM: that's bullshit |
| 08:56.49 | Kraln | CM: back it up, or eat it |
| 08:56.49 | hads | Yay, mobile format war! |
| 08:56.49 | buz | obviously the most successful mobile vendor thinks its ok to ignore a 400mio market in favor of a 2billion one |
| 08:56.49 | SpeedEvil | Kraln: Because it is _impossible_ to produce a CDMA phone without the assistance of the carriers. |
| 08:56.58 | CM | Maybe everyone had lousy phones when i was in the US then |
| 08:57.03 | SpeedEvil | Kraln: They own all the rights to the technology, and you simply can't legally produce a phone, without their agreement. |
| 08:57.04 | Kraln | SpeedEvil: how do you figure? |
| 08:57.06 | buz | which translates roughly to fic being totally insane if they were to go cdma |
| 08:57.30 | SpeedEvil | Kraln: And even if you could, you couldn't get it connected to their network. |
| 08:57.33 | buz | (besides, people in the us usually dont buy phones anyway, so why bother) |
| 08:58.12 | Kraln | SpeedEvil: I'm not arguing, I'm curious. What about CDMA requires carrier support? |
| 08:58.24 | SpeedEvil | Kraln: CDMA differs per carrier. |
| 08:58.38 | SpeedEvil | Kraln: The exact way it differs is generally patented. |
| 08:58.57 | SpeedEvil | Kraln: Even if it wasn't patented, you can't connect an unauthorised phone. |
| 08:59.12 | Kraln | most carriers here will auth your IMEI number if you call and ask |
| 08:59.22 | Kraln | or whatever the number is on cdma phones |
| 08:59.28 | buz | Kraln: much more trouble than just sticking a sim card into a phone |
| 08:59.34 | SpeedEvil | CDMA phones _ARE NOT GENERIC_. |
| 08:59.43 | hads | The CDMA provider here has to connect your phone to their network for you. |
| 08:59.48 | SpeedEvil | There is one sort of phone per network. |
| 08:59.48 | dottedmag | hmm... does it means CDMA has no roaming?? |
| 09:00.02 | buz | poruing money in a small market with proprietary technology seems like a sure recipe for disaster |
| 09:00.12 | buz | dottedmag: mostly |
| 09:00.13 | Kraln | SpeedEvil: the two (no, three, er, four five?) cdma providers in the US use the same or compatable networks |
| 09:00.20 | Kraln | I know, because I can roam on them |
| 09:00.20 | buz | because there isnt really cdma in most places |
| 09:00.31 | CM | CDMA only spcifies the way to send the signal over the air |
| 09:00.32 | aloril | Vitaly: if counter doesn't lie, then its more probably to happen next month :-( |
| 09:00.40 | CM | GSM is the whole infrastructure |
| 09:00.57 | Kraln | dottedmag: I am a Sprint US customer. I have roamed on Verizon, Altel, US Cellular, etc towers before |
| 09:01.23 | Kraln | Japan's CDMA is not compatable with US CDMA - but US is compatable with South Korea |
| 09:01.26 | buz | personally, i care more for international roaming myself |
| 09:01.32 | SpeedEvil | With GSM, you can take any one of hundreds of millions of SIMs, plug it into any of hundreds of phone models, and it will just work. (if you're in an appropriate frequency area). |
| 09:01.51 | buz | even if not, you most always get 1800 signal |
| 09:02.02 | buz | outside the us anyway |
| 09:02.28 | SpeedEvil | If the phone is not locked to a network, you can put in any providers SIM, without notifying hte provider. |
| 09:02.48 | Kraln | SpeedEvil: most gsm-network phones sold in this country are locked to the provider anyway |
| 09:02.48 | SpeedEvil | With CDMA, the provider has to authorise each phone. |
| 09:03.11 | SpeedEvil | Unlocked phones are cheap. As are unlocker codes for many phones. |
| 09:03.21 | mjr | ok, summary: some cdma carriers are compatible, some not, nobody cares, gsm is more open and flexible and widespread, with not as much control on the carrier end |
| 09:03.27 | mjr | was there anything else? |
| 09:03.59 | SpeedEvil | The carriers on CDMA will not authorise any phone that they have not got control over the design process of. |
| 09:04.14 | SpeedEvil | And probably a slice of the profits. |
| 09:04.29 | Kraln | you enjoy your open networks, then. I'll enjoy my superior coverage, broadband, features, and lower monthly fee ;) |
| 09:04.46 | SpeedEvil | And closed phones. |
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| 09:05.05 | Kraln | only because there's no open ones. ;) |
| 09:05.14 | CoreDump|afk | !praise GSM |
| 09:05.23 | CM | Hehe |
| 09:05.57 | SpeedEvil | If the carrier has to authorise each phone connected to their network, and they won't authorise phones they don't have a slice of the profits from, and influence over configuration, how can you have open phones? |
| 09:06.02 | buz | and if it is locked, you're the one to blame for buying it |
| 09:06.38 | mjr | in fact, I rather think, off the cuff, that GSM has the superiority in that respect |
| 09:06.41 | CoreDump|afk | s/here/anywhere in the world but in some large parts of the USA |
| 09:06.53 | Kraln | CoreDump|afk: and south asia |
| 09:06.59 | Kraln | there's more CDMA in asia than in the US afaik |
| 09:07.05 | SpeedEvil | Though the 15Km range is annoying. |
| 09:07.13 | SpeedEvil | Basically japan = CDMA |
| 09:07.19 | SpeedEvil | most of asia is GSM |
| 09:07.24 | SpeedEvil | Including china. |
| 09:07.31 | Kraln | SpeedEvil: South Korea... India... |
| 09:07.40 | CoreDump|afk | most of the world is GSM last time I checked |
| 09:07.47 | mjr | CoreDump|afk, indeed |
| 09:08.00 | ozamosi | Then there's a big difference between "There is CDMA" and "There is only CDMA" |
| 09:09.19 | CM | There's a lot of places that are only GSM |
| 09:09.38 | mjr | CM, indeed. |
| 09:09.52 | mjr | there's a reason I wouldn't be very happy with a CDMA phone here |
| 09:10.01 | CoreDump|afk | anyway, to each his own. Providers on both network lock down their customers as much as they can get away with. |
| 09:10.03 | Kraln | I'm not asking you to be happy |
| 09:10.16 | Kraln | I'm trying to buy a piece of happiness for myself |
| 09:10.23 | CM | Kraln: How bad is GSM in the US? |
| 09:10.23 | mjr | no you're not |
| 09:10.46 | Kraln | CM: where I live? I had tmobile gsm and I dropped calls all the time, no service in my house, where I work, loose it all the time driving |
| 09:11.04 | mjr | I'm not sure what you're doing, actually, but you're not trying to buy anything, since what you want doesn't and probably will not exist |
| 09:11.22 | CM | That sucks for sure |
| 09:11.25 | mjr | that's a shame, then |
| 09:11.27 | Kraln | lobbying for an open cdma smartfone? |
| 09:11.55 | mjr | Kraln, futile |
| 09:11.57 | CM | I think the problem is with the CDMA carriers and their closed networks |
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| 09:13.13 | ozamosi | Kraln: btw, speaking of sppeds... hdspa seems (according to wikipedia) much faster than evdo. |
| 09:13.38 | ozamosi | s/sppeds/speed/ |
| 09:13.50 | mjr | or well, perhaps I'm too harsh; if Neo takes the world by storm, perhaps then the CDMA carriers will want to join the club and commission a CDMA version from FIC ;P |
| 09:14.03 | mjr | and yeah, HSDPA is nice |
| 09:14.15 | mjr | and part of the later UMTS specs |
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| 09:14.23 | Kraln | HSDPA is just compression |
| 09:14.34 | Kraln | and in real life, it's about as fast as EVDO Rev A. is *now* |
| 09:14.47 | ozamosi | Well, it is so *now*, isn't it? |
| 09:14.50 | Kraln | by time carriers here have rolled it out, sprint and verizon will have upgraded their evdo capacity. |
| 09:14.54 | SpeedEvil | Anyway. This is all pretty irrelevant. |
| 09:15.08 | ozamosi | It's rolled out here, at least... |
| 09:15.08 | SpeedEvil | The first models of the neo will be GSM. |
| 09:15.11 | mjr | Kraln, by the time? HSDPA is now... |
| 09:15.23 | mjr | maybe not where you live, but pfft |
| 09:15.25 | Kraln | mjr: I'm speaking from my perspective, here in the east coast US. |
| 09:15.26 | mjr | SpeedEvil, indeed |
| 09:15.29 | SpeedEvil | Maybe after 10 million openmoko phones are out there, some other ones will get made. |
| 09:15.39 | SpeedEvil | For assorted CDMA networks |
| 09:15.57 | mjr | I find it likely that UMTS versions will get made first |
| 09:16.14 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 09:16.31 | SpeedEvil | A UMTS phone is comparatively easier - you more or less just buy a module. |
| 09:16.45 | mjr | indeed, even if the module costs craploads |
| 09:18.38 | mjr | (oh and incidentally, HSDPA is not "just compression", check your facts) |
| 09:18.59 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. I was about to order a $6 PSP joystick clone. I _hate_ sites that timeout the shopping cart. |
| 09:19.10 | SpeedEvil | Yes, I had $120 of stuff in 30 items. |
| 09:19.23 | SpeedEvil | Am I going to bother entering them again? |
| 09:19.33 | SpeedEvil | (dealextreme.com) |
| 09:19.42 | aloril | Kraln: it might be more productive to lobby your carrier than FIC for open cdma phone |
| 09:19.49 | SpeedEvil | - for an analog stick experiment. |
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| 09:20.07 | mjr | aloril, indeed. |
| 09:20.08 | Kraln | aloril: I doubt either of them gives a flying monkey what I think |
| 09:20.26 | SpeedEvil | Phone them every so often, and moan. |
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| 09:21.10 | Kraln | I get to moan at them tomorrow |
| 09:21.11 | CM | SpeedEvil: Hehe.. I just pictured another kind of moaning. Think they would hang up at the support centre |
| 09:21.13 | Kraln | they messed up my texting |
| 09:21.23 | aloril | in Finland somebody was offering to switch my gsm network provider: I said roughly "No way, you don't have fixed price GPRS" |
| 09:21.24 | mjr | Kraln, considering your carrier's co-operation would be essential in any case, they would still be the first to complain to |
| 09:21.57 | SpeedEvil | Annoyingly. |
| 09:21.57 | aloril | doubt that comment had much effect though ;-) |
| 09:21.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2100 10/trunk/oe/packages/openmoko-base/ (files/session openmoko-session_svn.bb): oe/openmoko-base: start openmoko-today instead of matchbox-desktop |
| 09:22.10 | SpeedEvil | I can't get fixed price data without a contract. |
| 09:22.15 | buz | Kraln: how about you simply switch to a gsm carrier |
| 09:22.19 | buz | its not like they dont exist in the us |
| 09:22.31 | Kraln | buz: my coverage under gsm is simply unacceptable |
| 09:22.34 | buz | vote with your feet |
| 09:22.37 | SpeedEvil | It _would_ be $40 or so/mo - for 1G or so capped per month plus lots of calls. |
| 09:22.43 | mjr | buz, he did say at least Tmobile had very bad coverage |
| 09:22.52 | buz | sorry, got kicked out before |
| 09:23.04 | buz | does neo even work with tmobile's weird freq? |
| 09:23.14 | mjr | which _is_ a good reason to not use GSM, just that CDMA still isn't very viable for this kind of thing |
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| 09:23.28 | Kraln | plus, no one else has the kind of deal I'm getting. unlimited data/texts, 500 anytime minutes, nights/weekends starting at 7, $30/mo |
| 09:23.36 | Kraln | in this country, anyway |
| 09:23.57 | buz | you could hook an evdo usb modem to your neo hehehe |
| 09:24.01 | mjr | buz, :D |
| 09:24.13 | Kraln | if the neo has bluetooth, I could theorhetically harness evdo that way, yeah |
| 09:24.18 | buz | it has |
| 09:24.22 | mjr | Neo will have bluetooth |
| 09:25.48 | SpeedEvil | s/will/does/ |
| 09:25.48 | mjr | 'course, carrying two phones isn't the best solution out there, but I do seem to recall making the same thought experiment with USB/BT UMTS solutions ;) |
| 09:25.48 | buz | apropos modems, swisscom are total nitwits, they ship expresscard hdspa modems, but they dont have drivers for them |
| 09:25.48 | buz | funny, eh |
| 09:25.49 | mjr | anyway, Neo is quad-band, should be all the in-use GSM frequency ranges AFAIK, but not quite sure |
| 09:25.49 | buz | in some way, neo would be alinux pda then |
| 09:25.58 | buz | ah if its quadband it will work with tmobile usa |
| 09:26.11 | buz | whats on 900mhz anyway |
| 09:26.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2101 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/src/ (dialer-window-history.c dialer-window-history.h): (log message trimmed) |
| 09:26.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Patch by: Neil J Patel <njp@o-hand.com> |
| 09:26.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * Cleans up code to have only one function to insert entries into the |
| 09:26.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: list-store. |
| 09:26.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * Adds a 'sorting' model on top of the filtered model, so that entries |
| 09:26.24 | CIA-23 | openmoko: are sorted from most recent first. |
| 09:26.26 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * Pressing the delete key on a number will popup a dialog asking if you |
| 09:28.16 | buz | otherwise that will have been expensive ;) |
| 09:28.41 | buz | s0 dimm arent even useful as paper weights ;) |
| 09:28.44 | Kraln | maybe they can have open satellite phones |
| 09:28.45 | Kraln | that'd be cool |
| 09:29.05 | Kraln | also, expensive |
| 09:29.11 | Kraln | would require an open satellite, no? |
| 09:29.26 | buz | i dont want sat phone |
| 09:29.38 | buz | mostly dont work in buildings, are heavy and suck battery |
| 09:29.48 | buz | besides the ping is rather awful |
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| 09:30.17 | mjr | yah, a sat phone would be nice if travelling in backward places like antarctica, African jungles or the rural US |
| 09:30.33 | mjr | but not really a generic phone :] |
| 09:30.41 | buz | just couldnt resist the pun against the us hehehe |
| 09:31.01 | mjr | correct |
| 09:31.02 | buz | any developping country i've been has had perfect gsm coverage |
| 09:31.06 | buz | only the us cant seem to get that |
| 09:31.23 | hrw | US does not have faith in evolution so they will stay with cdma forever |
| 09:31.29 | Kraln | buz: look at the population distribution in the united states, and the raw amount of land that needs to be covered |
| 09:31.36 | mjr | hell, the US doesn't even have proper metric coverage! |
| 09:31.44 | Kraln | hrw: faith in evolution - now there's a funny set of words |
| 09:32.00 | hrw | Kraln: my english is far from perfect |
| 09:32.05 | Kraln | I don't know why this is turning into a "lets bash the US", but let me remind you of this |
| 09:32.20 | buz | switzerland may have much higher population density, but we still have a lot of mountains where you usually need tons of antenna |
| 09:32.23 | buz | we can still get it done |
| 09:33.19 | Kraln | if it wasn't for the US, most of you would be speaking German. I don't agree with our current administration, or really any of the whackos in this country who are too far right or left to make sense, but, to write off 300million people as ignorant, redneck, closeted, jingoistic nationalistic idiots isn't fair. |
| 09:33.20 | buz | besides, population density can be a DISadvantage for mobile phones, see hongkong |
| 09:33.32 | buz | i AM speaking german |
| 09:33.36 | mjr | :D |
| 09:33.50 | hads | Kraln: This isn't #politics keep it out. |
| 09:34.00 | mjr | Ich, on the other hand, bin Auslander und spreche nicht gut Deutsch. |
| 09:34.00 | Kraln | hads: they started it. :| |
| 09:34.05 | buz | no we didnt |
| 09:34.17 | Kraln | [5:30] <buz> just couldnt resist the pun against the us hehehe |
| 09:34.18 | mjr | actually we didn't talk politics, but I admit to jabbing fun at the US |
| 09:34.26 | buz | mjr made a statement of fact |
| 09:34.31 | ewon | Kraln: oh dear, that's a rather wrong view of WW2 |
| 09:34.34 | buz | nobody really knows what would have happened without the us in ww2 |
| 09:34.54 | ewon | Kraln: you realise if anything it was the USSR that contributed more to the downfall of the 3rd reich? |
| 09:35.15 | Kraln | ewon: yeah. it's about as wrong a view of ww2 as most of the people cracking jokes at the us |
| 09:35.17 | ewon | without the mssive losses encurred on the eastern front, the D-Day landings never would have been possible. |
| 09:35.36 | hads | Maybe everyone should stop, then only talk when they have something related to openmoko. |
| 09:35.38 | buz | yeah, by the time the us entered europe, germany mostly HAD lost the war already |
| 09:35.40 | Kraln | I am well aware the importance of stalingrad |
| 09:36.02 | mjr | (incidentally, I only write off most, but by no means all, of the US citizens as ignorant, redneck, closeted, jingoistic nationalistic idiots) |
| 09:36.02 | ozamosi | buz: weren't you at what the hack, btw? |
| 09:36.08 | buz | no |
| 09:36.17 | buz | mjr: amen to that |
| 09:36.19 | CoreDump|home | ewon: If it were not for the endless supply of material ( tanks, arms planes etc ) and troops provides by the USA and, to a lesser part GB, the Nazis would probably not have lost |
| 09:36.30 | ozamosi | Then I'm mixing you up with someone else. Just thought I recognized the nick... |
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| 09:37.13 | ewon | I'm not getting into this on #openmoko :) |
| 09:37.32 | CoreDump|home | agreed ;) |
| 09:37.43 | ewon | I just find the "if it wasn't for the us you'd all be speaking german" rhetoric a bit old :) |
| 09:37.53 | hads | *yawn* |
| 09:37.57 | mjr | (also let it be said that I don't have a too high opinion of the average citizen of _any_ country, however there are some that are more generally rabid than others, like Iran and the US) |
| 09:38.12 | hads | SHUT UP |
| 09:38.18 | SpeedEvil | If it wasn't for the UK, you'd all be speaking French. |
| 09:38.23 | ewon | let's face it, if it wasn't for alcohol you'd all be speaking Irish |
| 09:38.31 | Kraln | ewon: amen |
| 09:38.51 | mjr | I thought it would _have_ to be for alcohol if we'd all speak Irish? |
| 09:39.50 | ewon | alcohol was invented to stop the Irish taking over the world. fact. |
| 09:39.50 | mjr | oh yes, that way |
| 09:40.14 | buz | ewon: i thought that specifically applied to whiskey |
| 09:40.24 | buz | just think what would happen to the world if vodka didnt exist |
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| 09:41.11 | SpeedEvil | Russia would have taken over the world/. |
| 09:41.15 | Kraln | russia would rule |
| 09:41.19 | buz | exactly |
| 09:41.22 | mjr | Я могу есть стекло, оно мне не вредит. |
| 09:41.48 | buz | in normal fonts? |
| 09:41.54 | CM | Kraln: I see your problem, there's not much GSM at all in the US: http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map_gbce.pl?x=0&y=0&z=0&cc=us&net=00&opts=0 |
| 09:42.06 | mjr | "I can eat glass, it does not hurt me" in Russian |
| 09:42.11 | mjr | was the first thing I could find ;) |
| 09:42.41 | hrw | I can read russian but lack cyrylic keyboard mapping |
| 09:42.44 | ewon | so I'm moving to Los Angeles from Ireland in August. I presume they don't use GSM over there? |
| 09:42.52 | CM | Kraln: Compare to Sweden, about the same population density, just 20 times smaller: http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map_gbce.pl?x=0&y=0&z=0&cc=se&net=00&opts=0 |
| 09:43.16 | mjr | ewon, judging from that map, there is coverage in LA, but not very far out in all directions at least |
| 09:43.19 | buz | norway seems weird |
| 09:43.30 | mjr | plus there seems to be islands of non-coverage |
| 09:44.00 | mjr | SpeedEvil, my nipples explode with delight! |
| 09:44.11 | buz | the swiss german one is all wrong |
| 09:44.17 | ewon | so is there a cell technology available that will give me coverage throughout CA at least? |
| 09:44.20 | buz | then again there is no agreed grammatics for that either |
| 09:44.31 | Kraln | ewon: you'll probably do alright with gsm |
| 09:44.33 | koen | ewon: california? |
| 09:44.38 | ewon | koen: yeah |
| 09:44.47 | koen | ewon: I suspect there is no such technology |
| 09:44.51 | ewon | crap |
| 09:45.21 | koen | CA has the crappiest coverage I have ever seen in the world |
| 09:45.34 | Kraln | overlay that map with population |
| 09:45.38 | ewon | if I get stuck out in death valley I want to *know* I can ring for help |
| 09:45.40 | Kraln | there's coverage everywhere there is people. |
| 09:45.51 | koen | ewon: death valley is AZ, right? |
| 09:46.15 | mjr | ewon, there was the sat phone suggestion :] |
| 09:46.30 | buz | is iridium still working? |
| 09:46.35 | buz | or did they shut that down |
| 09:46.36 | ewon | koen: CA/AZ, iirc |
| 09:46.49 | ewon | iridium is still operational, AFAIR, but it has changed hands |
| 09:46.57 | koen | last time I was there I entered the AZ part :) |
| 09:47.10 | koen | that was a long time ago, though |
| 09:47.33 | buz | mhh thuraya phones look like you could actually carry them |
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| 09:52.39 | buz | does funambol provide linux pim interfaces for their syncml stack? |
| 09:52.44 | buz | or am i at mercy of opensync? |
| 09:52.58 | kf701 | hi |
| 10:03.07 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2102 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-tool-box.c): |
| 10:03.07 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-tool-box.c: (cb_configure): Remove use of |
| 10:03.07 | CIA-23 | openmoko: moko_application_get_style_pixmap_dir |
| 10:05.38 | aloril | gsm has better competition build in it than cdma (easier to change provider): maybe that is reason for better coverage in Finland (for example) compared to USA |
| 10:05.53 | ewon | Ireland's GSM is pretty much 100% |
| 10:06.03 | ewon | it's been at least year since I last had no signal |
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| 10:25.14 | SpeedEvil | You'll still get no signal generally if you wander into valleys with no people. |
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| 10:32.01 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 30%) P1: a day 00:44:11 (1.031 +-1.0 days) (1334;219) |
| 10:34.45 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] |
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| 10:44.48 | Fletch_work | . |
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| 12:00.25 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 25%) |
| 12:00.25 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 25%) |
| 12:00.27 | LuitvD | hmm, microsoft got to multitouch interface too now... |
| 12:00.31 | aloril | counter |
| 12:00.31 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 25%) P1: 23:59:56 (1.000 +-1.0 days) (1335;219) |
| 12:00.42 | LuitvD | aloril: aaah, noooo, don't get pessimistic now :( |
| 12:01.01 | LuitvD | 25% is just too little |
| 12:01.08 | aloril | just 2 days remaining without any beep |
| 12:01.37 | LuitvD | yeh... end of the month or announcement... hope the latter wil come first |
| 12:04.17 | aloril | assuming production happens today, then they probably still need day or few before actual orders? |
| 12:04.51 | aloril | so.. no beep and 2 days doesn't look very promising for "you can order now and they will be shipped" |
| 12:04.55 | hrw | aloril: production of some phones was done iirc. now they need testing before shipment |
| 12:05.18 | aloril | hrw: it was? cool! |
| 12:05.29 | aloril | hrw: do you know when? |
| 12:05.30 | hrw | I think that when FIC will have first tested phones they will announce orders |
| 12:05.46 | aloril | do you know when phones were done? |
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| 12:06.52 | hrw | aloril: I do not know do I am allowed to tell that so I will not. |
| 12:07.04 | aloril | (hrw: you are not referring to those 200 phones at April?) |
| 12:07.12 | aloril | ah, ok |
| 12:07.27 | hrw | rather now |
| 12:07.29 | hrw | rather not |
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| 12:08.44 | LuitvD | good day |
| 12:08.51 | aloril | hrw: anyway, thanks for unofficial beep! |
| 12:11.17 | LuitvD | (but that's just my wild guess/desperate excuse) |
| 12:11.39 | guaqua | i'm not that optimistic. i'm thinking they've had problems with production of P1 |
| 12:11.48 | guaqua | or production/testing |
| 12:12.01 | LuitvD | yeah, most likely |
| 12:12.10 | guaqua | and that they've been occupied with planning the wifi model |
| 12:12.30 | LuitvD | and the HXD |
| 12:13.05 | LuitvD | they've written hardware support patches already... if they'd wanted to have the neo on sale quickly, they wouldn't have done that... |
| 12:13.10 | hrw | or rather getting proper amount of parts |
| 12:13.46 | mjr | mickeyl said yesterday "afaik it looks like something like 1000 should be finished in a couple of days"; I just hope he knows, and that actual shipping is not too far away |
| 12:13.56 | LuitvD | if only sean didn't decide not to tell anything untill there is a device, then we would now have known what's happening |
| 12:14.34 | LuitvD | I wonder who's working on the openmoko.com site... the webshop... |
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| 12:17.25 | aloril | mjr: ah, I see it now |
| 12:18.12 | aloril | no doubt 1000 phones will be sold out |
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| 12:26.29 | ar1 | hello to all |
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| 12:34.01 | Elrond | counter |
| 12:34.01 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 25%) P1: 23:43:11 (0.988 +-1.0 days) (1336;219) |
| 12:34.23 | aloril | Elrond: soon going to adjust that |
| 12:35.46 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:HXD8]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] |
| 12:37.33 | Elrond | aloril - Yeah. Is there any news from FIC yet? |
| 12:38.54 | aloril | Elrond: 17 hours ago: <mickeyl> pjz: i have been a bit out of the loop... tomorrow seems unlikely, however afaik it looks like something like 1000 should be finished in a couple of days |
| 12:38.54 | aloril | 2007-05-29 22:29:36 |
| 12:39.33 | aloril | and also some minutes ago: <hrw> aloril: production of some phones was done iirc. now they need testing before shipment |
| 12:40.23 | Elrond | Hmm, I wonder, where hrw got his info from. :-) |
| 12:40.32 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) |
| 12:40.32 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) |
| 12:40.40 | Elrond | Anyway, looks like they're working, which is good. :-) |
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| 12:40.44 | aloril | counter |
| 12:40.45 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) P1: 23:39:49 (0.986 +-1.0 days) (1337;219) |
| 12:41.03 | aloril | uups |
| 12:41.12 | Elrond | *G* |
| 12:41.28 | aloril | counter |
| 12:41.28 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) P1: 2 days 23:39:28 (2.986 +-3.0 days) (1338;218) |
| 12:41.35 | aloril | better now ;-) |
| 12:43.01 | aloril | (moved 4 days and increased from 25% to 60%) |
| 12:43.43 | CM | Hehe.. The ever growing counter :) |
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| 12:49.52 | aloril | CM: hopefully next time to other direction ;-) |
| 12:49.58 | Stephmw | CM: hey it's supremely accurate*! |
| 12:50.06 | Stephmw | ... *within the error bars |
| 12:50.45 | CM | We all love the counter :D |
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| 12:52.09 | aloril | optimistic in me says 4 days is generous, but .. hopefully it is ;-) |
| 12:54.27 | aloril | s/4/6/ |
| 12:54.43 | aloril | (current counter had still 2 days left) |
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| 13:30.06 | batti112 | counter |
| 13:30.20 | batti112 | !counter |
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| 13:31.40 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) P1: 2 days 23:14:26 (2.968 +-3.0 days) (1339;219) |
| 13:31.51 | aloril | a bit delay, was testing addition: |
| 13:32.13 | aloril | (script) openmoko-kernel: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: DRM in openmoko kernel |
| 13:32.24 | aloril | (script) openmoko-apps: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: Music Player - UI question and 3 other mails |
| 13:32.48 | aloril | (added "monitor sean" in every list ;-) |
| 13:33.23 | aloril | apps list sean mails are rather old though |
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| 13:54.13 | SpeedEvil | counter |
| 13:54.13 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) P1: 2 days 23:03:05 (2.960 +-3.0 days) (1340;219) |
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| 13:55.18 | aloril | SpeedEvil: scroll a bit up (May sounded unlikely, but +2 days did sound likely) |
| 13:55.31 | aloril | then just 2 extra days of uncertainty ;-) |
| 13:56.28 | aloril | SpeedEvil: ah, you weren't here (will /msg) |
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| 13:57.19 | aloril | batti112: |
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| 13:57.21 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) P1: 2 days 23:01:31 (2.959 +-3.0 days) (1341;219) |
| 13:57.43 | SpeedEvil | Whee! |
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| 14:08.25 | PBeck | hi |
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| 14:36.29 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[FAQ]] [[OpenMoko_compatible_cellphone_providers]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] |
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| 14:44.44 | fledermaus | aloril: counter |
| 14:44.44 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) P1: 2 days 22:37:49 (2.943 +-2.9 days) (1342;219) |
| 14:50.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03mickey * r2103 10/trunk/oe/packages/linux/ (linux-gta01.inc linux-gta01_2.6.21.3.bb): oe/linux: autoload audio and hci_usb modules on 2.6.21.3 |
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| 15:07.55 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) P1: 2 days 22:26:14 (2.935 +-2.9 days) (1343;219) |
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| 15:11.02 | mickeyl | Shoragan: ping |
| 15:11.26 | Shoragan | pong |
| 15:12.06 | mickeyl | heya |
| 15:12.21 | mickeyl | Shoragan: what's your impression of the sanyo z5 after using it for some months? |
| 15:12.25 | mickeyl | Shoragan: still satisfied? |
| 15:12.30 | Shoragan | yes :) |
| 15:12.49 | mickeyl | excellent |
| 15:12.58 | Shoragan | although there seems to be a slight blue spot in the lower right corner |
| 15:13.14 | Shoragan | most z5 have it |
| 15:13.30 | Shoragan | but it is only noticeable in very dark scenes |
| 15:13.54 | Shoragan | and i've become used to it, so i don't even notice it then |
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| 15:14.40 | Shoragan | and the picture is even better when using HDMI |
| 15:15.28 | mickeyl | cool. 2*hdmi, one vga should be sufficient |
| 15:15.45 | hrw | mickeyl: seeking for new laptop? |
| 15:16.02 | Shoragan | no, projector :) |
| 15:16.05 | hrw | ah |
| 15:16.47 | Shoragan | we've just used it to trace a linedrawing on a wall :) |
| 15:17.40 | ewon | we have a large plasms tv in work |
| 15:17.51 | ewon | it has the title screen of guitar hero burned into it |
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| 15:18.48 | mickeyl | i need something for my new office to display ideas and stuff or to present slides in meetings |
| 15:19.17 | mickeyl | i don't want another panel |
| 15:19.28 | mickeyl | so most likely the Z5 |
| 15:19.28 | hrw | meetings... I need to post about oedem |
| 15:19.37 | mickeyl | hrw: yay! we need another meeting |
| 15:19.45 | mickeyl | shortly after guadec? |
| 15:19.51 | hrw | mickeyl: no way |
| 15:19.55 | mickeyl | heh |
| 15:19.56 | hrw | my wedding at 14 August |
| 15:20.00 | mickeyl | ah, right |
| 15:20.03 | Shoragan | meckeyl: use something like this... http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/industry/4217348.html |
| 15:20.06 | mickeyl | honeymoon right after? |
| 15:20.16 | hrw | mickeyl: probably. |
| 15:20.20 | hrw | mickeyl: and then are MMD |
| 15:20.58 | mickeyl | Shoragan: ya, that's really cool. anything known about the projected price? |
| 15:21.11 | mickeyl | hrw: hmm, ya. summer looks really busy. might be autumn then |
| 15:21.13 | Shoragan | 5-10k$ |
| 15:21.20 | mickeyl | not that bad |
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| 15:32.27 | aloril | "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) P1: 2 days 22:13:58 (2.926 +-2.9 days) (1344;219) |
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| 16:18.51 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03thomas * r2104 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-today/ (ChangeLog src/today-main.c): |
| 16:18.51 | CIA-23 | openmoko: * src/today-main.c: (today_infoline_new), |
| 16:18.51 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (today_launcher_button_new), (today_setup_events_area), |
| 16:18.51 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (create_ui): Use correct icons in Missed Calls/Unread Messages lines |
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| 16:35.29 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 16:47.46 | Rince | will someone with a p0/p1-device be at the GPN in Karlsruhe this weekend? |
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| 17:00.05 | sannes | counter |
| 17:00.05 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) P1: 2 days 21:30:09 (2.896 +-2.9 days) (1345;219) |
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| 17:02.33 | paulproteus | Gosh I hope we get it! |
| 17:07.33 | mwester | "Hope is tomorrow's veneer over today's disappointment" (~Evan Esar) |
| 17:08.09 | mwester | Sure be nice to see it start shipping soon. |
| 17:10.22 | paulproteus | mwester, I've been feeling that way for months, as have the rest of us I'm sure. (-: |
| 17:12.52 | buz | jeeeez |
| 17:12.58 | buz | my cpu cooks at 102C |
| 17:13.01 | buz | that cant be good |
| 17:15.18 | buz | i wonder why the thing didnt crash |
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| 17:57.39 | GaKKGaKk | Any openmoko news in the last three weeks, has anything clever happened? |
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| 18:23.12 | pjz | not really |
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| 18:23.33 | GaKKGaKk | How exciting :) |
| 18:23.35 | pjz | still not shipping hardware, though it does seem some progress is being made |
| 18:23.52 | aloril2 | counter |
| 18:23.52 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) P1: 2 days 20:48:16 (2.867 +-2.9 days) (1346;219) |
| 18:24.12 | pjz | ...and 2 days ago it say '2 days from now' |
| 18:24.30 | aloril2 | GaKKGaKk: see above link |
| 18:24.55 | buz | pjz: the counter always updates like that ;)I |
| 18:24.58 | pjz | the last real statements we have are 'this month', by sean, a few weeks ago |
| 18:25.17 | pjz | and then mickeyl's offhand comment that he thought a run of 1k or so had been made and were going through testing |
| 18:25.33 | buz | oh i missed that |
| 18:25.39 | buz | would be nice if true |
| 18:25.48 | pjz | so there's no real data to base any kind of prediction on |
| 18:26.17 | pjz | unless you believe 'this month', which ends tomorrow. |
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| 18:26.45 | GaKKGaKk | I was lookin for some kind of "last news" page on the wiki, seems that is as close as I get :) |
| 18:27.46 | aloril2 | pjz: yeah, but it sounds like within 2-6 days is quite possible |
| 18:28.26 | buz | yeah but we thought that a few times ;) |
| 18:28.44 | buz | i care for the release more because of the promised details about future hardware |
| 18:28.46 | pjz | aloril2: and it's sounded like that for what? 6 months now? |
| 18:28.55 | buz | 4 or os |
| 18:29.31 | aloril2 | buz: yeah, but this is first time with supposedly already produced units |
| 18:29.38 | buz | point |
| 18:29.49 | buz | and with a small but existing successful run |
| 18:30.00 | buz | which supposedly work quite wlel |
| 18:31.02 | buz | a p2 phone with gpu, s3c244X and wifi would be a killer indeed |
| 18:32.09 | aloril2 | KaGGKaGg: note that above link to wiki != official wiki (just in case you missed it) |
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| 18:35.29 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 18:38.02 | LuitvD | buz: especially when that GPU can do OpenGL|ES |
| 18:38.26 | buz | anything else would be kinda pointless |
| 18:39.12 | LuitvD | well, anything external is better then just the framebuffer |
| 18:39.18 | buz | thing i wonder about is if using imx31 wouldnt be easier at that point |
| 18:40.01 | LuitvD | oh well... maybe something for the next device isn't it? |
| 18:40.15 | buz | well we thought that about gpu too |
| 18:40.24 | aloril2 | pjz: counter has been this low only somewhat after 2007-05-10 and in last few days ;-) |
| 18:40.27 | baze | the neo with a camera (with the possible new cpu) and usb 2.0 would be kickass.... i'm not sure whether i'll buy the neo or wait to the next phone :/ |
| 18:40.50 | buz | sept version very nearly sure wont have a cam |
| 18:41.16 | buz | mjr: that has crossed my mind too ;) |
| 18:41.18 | mjr | yeah, a camera would require case mods, which are pretty much out |
| 18:41.30 | mjr | (as Sean said sometime) |
| 18:41.38 | baze | i know |
| 18:41.42 | buz | well considering how much money is being dumped into the project righ tnow case mods would likely not be that much more |
| 18:42.07 | buz | and it WOULD make sense to have a camera version |
| 18:42.10 | LuitvD | actually, I like it not having a phone I guess... |
| 18:42.11 | baze | but with the new cpu supporting up to 5 mpixel cameras, this would be sweet :) |
| 18:42.23 | buz | and not totally ridiculous case |
| 18:42.39 | buz | cause frankly, even some die hard linux users i know figured they wouldnt be caught dead with that case |
| 18:42.59 | baze | it's a bit thick |
| 18:43.03 | mjr | bah, it's okay |
| 18:43.07 | baze | but besides that i kinda like it |
| 18:43.09 | buz | the hole is damn well ridiculous |
| 18:43.15 | baze | true |
| 18:43.24 | buz | that would have been perfectly enough space for a decent cam |
| 18:43.55 | buz | ms can't do plug and play for their live |
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| 19:00.57 | fletch | counter |
| 19:00.57 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) P1: 2 days 20:29:43 (2.854 +-2.9 days) (1347;220) |
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| 19:01.24 | tholin | oh noes, time is going in reverse. |
| 19:02.43 | LuitvD | tholin: yes, but probability got up... |
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| 19:15.22 | aloril2 | tholin: probability has increased though |
| 19:16.18 | MacNorthXP | heh, but is the probability accurate, or just another malicious metric :-) |
| 19:16.40 | Stephmw | it's <------------------> this accurate |
| 19:17.37 | aloril2 | its guess ;-) |
| 19:18.11 | aloril2 | tholin: anyway, see link for basis for changes |
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| 19:24.54 | GaKKGaKk | Stephmw: That is fairly accurate, compared to the length of a comma. |
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| 19:43.57 | webjames | dasher is amazing, like a game |
| 19:44.04 | webjames | not sure i could type fast on it though |
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| 19:54.22 | webjames | where did this rumour come from? http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter#Some_phones_produced.3F_2007-05-30 |
| 19:56.43 | MacNorthXP | this channel, about 12 hours ago |
| 19:56.52 | MacNorthXP | maybe more like 18hrs |
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| 19:59.01 | webjames | MacNorthXP: thanks |
| 19:59.10 | webjames | i like this idea: http://www.microvision.com/proj.html |
| 19:59.26 | kiney_ | counter |
| 19:59.26 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 60%) P1: 2 days 20:00:29 (2.834 +-2.8 days) (1348;220) |
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| 21:31.33 | Philippe | is it possible that openmoko does not have pangocairo support? |
| 21:32.24 | cjb | hm, any mailing list moderators around? |
| 21:32.37 | hrw | Philippe: openmoko use gtk 2.6 not 2.10 |
| 21:33.07 | hrw | cairo is gtk 2.10 |
| 21:33.31 | Philippe | hrw: hmm, that is what I thought... explains why librsvg does not build |
| 21:33.48 | Philippe | hrw: thanks for confirming my idea. |
| 21:33.52 | hrw | np |
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| 21:45.09 | hrw | cu |
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| 21:52.45 | cworth | Hmm... openmoko hasn't updated to a cairo-using GTK+ yet? We should really fix that. |
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| 22:01.38 | webjames | night. |
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| 22:06.10 | CoreDump|home | re |
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| 22:08.23 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2105 10/trunk/oe/packages/uboot/ (14 files in 2 dirs): remove outdated, obsolete qt2410 uboot recipe plus associated old uboot files |
| 22:08.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2106 10/trunk/oe/packages/uboot/uboot-gta01_svn.bb: re-enable automatic build of qt2410 u-boot images |
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| 22:25.13 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03laforge * r2107 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-20061030-qt2410.patch: * fix qt2410 build of udfu image (uses 0x511d product id) |
| 22:28.20 | Elrond | Evening people. |
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| 22:29.47 | greentux | somebody in berlin? linuxtag? |
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| 22:31.02 | Elrond | Not me. |
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| 22:35.29 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[USB_Product_IDs]] [[Optical_Character_Recognition]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 22:43.12 | LuitvD | well, physics exam tomorrow, so I'm off to sleep |
| 22:46.13 | SpeedEvil | Good luck! |
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| 23:06.19 | sparq | I guess since people aren't bouncing off the walls, there hasn't been much news |
| 23:07.58 | Elrond | sparq - Good guess. |
| 23:09.45 | sparq | sigh. |
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| 23:14.02 | sparq | Note to self: When I have billions of dollars someday, build a manufacturing facility for open-source hardware projects in an easily-visited part of the world. |
| 23:14.26 | Elrond | BTW, on the buildhost, what's the difference between the "uImage-2.6.21.3-moko10-r0_0_2079_0-fic-gta01.bin" and the "uImage-2.6-moko10-r0_0_2079_0-fic-gta01.bin" images? |
| 23:14.50 | happycube | if they're the same size it's probably a symlink |
| 23:16.29 | Elrond | Well, some 2.6-* exist, for thiwh which no 2.6.* exists and vice versa. |
| 23:16.42 | Elrond | s/thiwh/which |
| 23:20.07 | Elrond | happycube - Well, they're different. |
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| 23:32.01 | balrog-kun | i think 2.6 may be 2.6.21.1 which is the default at the moment |
| 23:32.58 | Elrond | Ahh. |
| 23:35.07 | Elrond | Good night. :-) |
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| 23:43.39 | balrog-kun | does someone know what driver we're using for the bluetooth? |
| 23:43.58 | balrog-kun | the generic USB dongle driver has the IDs of this particular dongle in its blacklist |
| 23:44.13 | koen | hci_usb |
| 23:44.35 | balrog-kun | from the source it appears that hci_usb would reject this particular dongle |
| 23:44.41 | koen | did they fix the manufacturer ID in v4? |
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| 23:45.39 | balrog-kun | the IDs are 0a12:0001, in v4, although.. hmm.. they might have changed the driver, i'm gonna look it up in some more current patches |
| 23:46.03 | KragenSitaker | "Anyone can buy for $350 starting perhaps late |
| 23:46.04 | KragenSitaker | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.08 | KragenSitaker | says the topic. |
| 23:46.20 | KragenSitaker | does that mean tomorrow? |
| 23:46.48 | MacNorthXP | it means we may be lucky to get a news update |
| 23:49.16 | SpeedEvil | KragenSitaker: The wiki timelines are based on mainly random comments on blogs or IRC |
| 23:49.20 | SpeedEvil | they are not binding |
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