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| 00:31.24 | webjames | night all |
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| 02:25.17 | bmidgley | has anyone heard stereo sound from the neo? i only get mono |
| 02:26.41 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem]] |
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| 02:37.54 | aevin | I am curious what this introduced HXD8 support is for. is it GTA02 or more generally a non-FIC openmoko device? |
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| 02:58.24 | aevin | okay, I'll figure it out later. *zZz* |
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| 03:31.41 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: First impressions of Neo1973 |
| 03:33.36 | aloril | is Sean refering to P1 or P1+? |
| 03:34.12 | aloril | first sentence sounds like P1+, second like P1 |
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| 04:25.42 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem]] |
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| 05:11.12 | TimRiker | apt_: wantnick apt |
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| 05:19.30 | *** topic/#openmoko is OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Anyone can buy for $350 starting perhaps late May. <> Mass market in September. |
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| 05:34.08 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 06:16.42 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: HXD8? |
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| 06:26.33 | LoDown | counter |
| 06:26.34 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 3 days 02:46:53 (3.116 +-3.1 days) (1283;213) |
| 06:26.42 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] |
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| 07:59.42 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:00.10 | CM | morning :) |
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| 08:14.29 | LuitvD | mornin' |
| 08:15.24 | CM | OpenMoko's GPS: http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/39229.html |
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| 08:45.19 | pavelm | Hello, everyone. |
| 08:45.47 | pavelm | I searched angstrom wiki and openmoko wiki... but still don't know. |
| 08:45.59 | pavelm | How do I get angstrom to run on neo? |
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| 08:46.25 | pavelm | Ipkg update (from phase1 machine) tries to load non-existent http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/20070301/ipk/Packages.gz :-( |
| 08:46.37 | pavelm | Hi, Magon! |
| 08:47.01 | webjames | LuitvD: check out the ThinkPad x range, for example x40 x30 etc.. 12" |
| 08:47.03 | CM | pavelm: Ask koen |
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| 08:48.00 | LuitvD | webjames: thanks :) |
| 08:48.01 | pavelm | CM: Koen will eat me alive ;-). |
| 08:48.12 | LuitvD | webjames: OMG, x-series tablet :D |
| 08:48.49 | webjames | LuitvD: yeah, pretty cool, well made as well you know that with the thinkpads, metal hinges etc.. |
| 08:48.58 | LuitvD | webjames: only thing is that it isn't 12" widescreen |
| 08:49.46 | CM | pavelm: Hehe.. He tends to do that ;) |
| 08:50.05 | webjames | LuitvD: ahh yes, i guess they are quite old now |
| 08:50.46 | LuitvD | webjames: though for a nice price it could be interesting |
| 08:51.07 | LuitvD | too bad it's a laptop based on the old centrino platform (nape) |
| 08:51.37 | webjames | LuitvD: i would say less than 300 |
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| 08:51.54 | LuitvD | webjames: a tablet pc for less then 300? :| |
| 08:52.08 | webjames | LuitvD: oh maybe not the tablet one |
| 08:52.14 | LuitvD | heheh |
| 08:53.20 | pavelm | CM: If there's anyone else who got it working (and not yet eaten by koen), please speak up ;-). |
| 08:53.58 | LuitvD | webjames: the x60 tablet is at least 1300 euro's |
| 08:54.07 | LuitvD | 1400 even |
| 08:54.11 | webjames | LuitvD: check out: http://www.tabletpcreview.com/default.asp?newsID=275 has fingerprint reader as well |
| 08:54.18 | LuitvD | excluding vat |
| 08:54.32 | webjames | i think that would be an amazing feature to have with the neo |
| 08:54.41 | webjames | a fingerprint reader that is |
| 08:55.17 | webjames | LuitvD: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X60-Tablet-6366_W0QQitemZ260121868651QQihZ016QQcategoryZ177QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 08:55.55 | LuitvD | that's 600 euros :| |
| 08:55.58 | LuitvD | that's not much |
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| 08:57.47 | LuitvD | webjames: nah, I still prefer that HP Pavilion tx1127 :P |
| 08:58.39 | webjames | LuitvD: the HP is nice |
| 08:58.42 | pavelm | webjames: Fingerprint reader is basically useless. |
| 08:58.51 | webjames | pavelm: how so? |
| 08:59.13 | LuitvD | webjames: it has the same features as that thinkpad x60 or x40 tablet |
| 08:59.14 | pavelm | webjames: You can't use it for encryption, and when it is not encrypted, it does not matter.... |
| 08:59.23 | michaelshiloh_ | anyone up for a libgsmd-tool question? |
| 08:59.23 | aloril | michaelshiloh_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 08:59.23 | LuitvD | lol |
| 08:59.23 | pavelm | ...on easily-stolen machine like neo, anyway. |
| 09:00.19 | webjames | i meant like a pin, login thing, unlock thing |
| 09:00.49 | Elrond | Well, your fingerprints are all over your neo. ;-) |
| 09:00.59 | Elrond | Take them and fool the fingerprint reader ;) |
| 09:01.45 | webjames | Elrond: yeah, but aparently it reads the electrical signature of the print, so if your finger was cut of it would only work for ~15mins after |
| 09:01.48 | Elrond | pavelm - You tried to a repos of prebuild armv4t binary .ipk, or what? |
| 09:02.09 | Elrond | webjames - All of that can be fooled, really. |
| 09:02.41 | webjames | Elrond: ah, o well, how about camera with iris recognition? |
| 09:02.53 | webjames | or facial recognition |
| 09:03.12 | Elrond | Oh, and if your fingerprint is not good on your phone, use your tfid reader and get the fingerprint from your new all-cool ID card ;o) |
| 09:03.32 | drath | heh, webjames just found the killer argument why neo needs a camera :) |
| 09:03.50 | pavelm | elrond: No, you just steal the neo. |
| 09:03.59 | pavelm | elrond: and then you read the flash using jtag. |
| 09:04.18 | Elrond | webjames - The basic problem with all these things is: They must be fuzzy. So it still recognizes you after you drank 20 beers. ;o) And that fuzziness makes them weak. |
| 09:04.34 | Elrond | pavelm - Right, that anyway |
| 09:04.36 | webjames | pavelm: therefore encryption is the answer, but what way to lock/unlock that encryption |
| 09:04.37 | pavelm | elrond: I'd love to try prebuild .ipk's, yes. |
| 09:04.56 | pavelm | webj: Fingerprints _do not work_ for unlocking encryption. |
| 09:05.17 | pavelm | webj: You can't md5 fingerprint and use that as a key! |
| 09:05.34 | Elrond | Because the fingerprint is always a little different. |
| 09:05.58 | webjames | pavelm: no, but what interesting way are there to do that, passwords are so last year...! :) |
| 09:06.05 | Elrond | warm weather... small blood vessels |
| 09:06.36 | Elrond | webjames - passwords are the current best thing. |
| 09:06.51 | Elrond | ... use them to unlock an RSA key, which then is your SSO key :) |
| 09:07.10 | mjr | a suitable complex squiggle would work, divvying the screen into segments and taking a series of them as the passkey |
| 09:07.18 | mjr | would have to be somewhat long though |
| 09:07.21 | Elrond | pavelm - I was googling for prebuild .ipk yesterday. Of course I only got drugs for koen ;o) |
| 09:07.47 | Elrond | mjr - Quite long. |
| 09:08.07 | pavelm | elrond: Prebuilt binaries seem to be on http://angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/ ... |
| 09:09.29 | Elrond | pavelm - Hmm, they're eabi? |
| 09:09.44 | pavelm | elrond: They should be |
| 09:09.54 | pavelm | elrond: Is it as easy as changing /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf ? |
| 09:10.11 | Elrond | pavelm - openmoko is OABI. |
| 09:10.39 | Elrond | ... at least I think so. |
| 09:10.54 | pavelm | elrond: Are you sure? I think koen runs his stuff on openmoko. |
| 09:10.57 | Elrond | pavelm - Yep, it should be as easy as that. Or just wget individual .ipk :) |
| 09:11.13 | pavelm | elrond: Plus openmoko is incompatible with everyone exactly because of being eabi. |
| 09:11.14 | Elrond | pavelm - koen runs OE and builds everything by hand. |
| 09:11.40 | pavelm | elrond: and uploads it to his http://angstrom-distribution.org/ website ;-). |
| 09:11.44 | Elrond | neo% file hello-world |
| 09:11.53 | Elrond | hello-world: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, not stripped |
| 09:12.12 | Elrond | Looks like OABI to me... let me download some .ipk from angstrom |
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| 09:14.42 | Elrond | neo% wget 'http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/armv4t/base/libpython2.4-1.0_2.4.4-ml1_armv4t.ipk' |
| 09:14.51 | Elrond | neo/1/usr/lib% file libpython2.4.so.1.0 |
| 09:14.55 | Elrond | libpython2.4.so.1.0: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), stripped |
| 09:14.59 | Elrond | EABI, I thihk. |
| 09:15.00 | webjames | pavelm: lets hope a small dna reader comes along, then we could use an unbreakable one time pad |
| 09:15.25 | Elrond | webjames - Well, you leave your DNA around everywhere. |
| 09:15.33 | pavelm | web: dna is not random. |
| 09:15.56 | webjames | hmm.. back to the drawing board |
| 09:16.21 | Elrond | pavelm - DNA is at least non-changing, so md5'ing it would work. Main question would be, how many bits you get (excluding the non-random part) |
| 09:16.39 | pavelm | elrond: Actually, http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/ has both arm and arm-oabi. |
| 09:16.40 | Elrond | ... of course ignoring my first argument, that you leave your dna everywhere. |
| 09:16.46 | pavelm | So pick one ;-) |
| 09:17.10 | pavelm | elrond: I do not think DNA is "non-changing" at the "whole cell" level. Still doubt md5 would work. |
| 09:17.26 | pavelm | elrond: plus it is 700MB :-) |
| 09:17.29 | Elrond | pavelm - The arm-oabi does't look like "for armv4t", just for armv-we-dont-know ;o) |
| 09:17.37 | webjames | okay so i guess a password/pin would be the best way |
| 09:18.43 | pavelm | elrond: But I still think openmoko is eabi. |
| 09:18.43 | pavelm | elrond: Because openmoko is incompatible with everyone and newer. |
| 09:19.24 | pavelm | have to go, bye bye! |
| 09:19.25 | Elrond | pavelm - Let me download a fresh .ipk from openmoko. :) |
| 09:19.26 | Elrond | Bye pavelm! |
| 09:19.26 | Elrond | pavelm - ONe question: Where you lucky to run gllin on P0? |
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| 09:19.33 | pavelm | no gllin on p0 :-( |
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| 09:32.28 | Elrond | pavelm - You're back? |
| 09:32.36 | Elrond | hehe :) |
| 09:32.50 | Elrond | pavelm - Did you try to copy the gllin from P1 to P0? |
| 09:33.02 | pavelm | elrond: did any of the binaries work? |
| 09:34.10 | Elrond | pavelm - You mean from angstrom? Did you try yet. I'm reboot the P0 to try gps with different kernels. |
| 09:34.39 | ossman | did you guys see this: http://www.spectec.com.tw/sdw823.htm ? |
| 09:34.45 | ossman | wlan without hw mod :) |
| 09:35.41 | Elrond | ossman - ;) |
| 09:35.48 | guaqua | interesting |
| 09:35.52 | pavelm | Elrond: there was no gllin on phase0, so yes, I had to copy it. |
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| 09:36.35 | Elrond | ossman - BTW: I talked to my friend and gave him the SD-(for SPI)-URL from you. His problem was: What to do with the non-needed pins of the SD card. Connect to pull-down, or pull-up? |
| 09:36.58 | Elrond | pavelm - But with the copied one it did not work, right? |
| 09:37.42 | pavelm | elrond: I could not get it to work :-( |
| 09:38.10 | ossman | Elrond, pull-up if we're talking about dat[1-3] |
| 09:38.43 | ossman | but I'm unsure exactly how spi uses the pins |
| 09:39.14 | Elrond | ossman - I have not looked at the hw-spec myself... maybe I should do that soon. I want the spi thing to work too. ;) |
| 09:39.37 | Elrond | pavelm - Same here. |
| 09:40.10 | ossman | if you're hacking linux, then talk to David Brownell |
| 09:40.24 | ossman | he's been working on it for some time |
| 09:40.30 | Elrond | pavelm - If I were much better at hw things, I'd try to get a P1 and put both next to each other and put probes on the PCB ;) |
| 09:40.47 | Elrond | ossman - No. 8051 uC. |
| 09:42.14 | pavelm | Elrond: I guess you can find enough info in kernel patches. |
| 09:42.28 | pavelm | elrond: look for 'if phase(0)'... |
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| 10:05.53 | Elrond | pavelm - Yeah, I'll look at it again. |
| 10:07.30 | Elrond | Bus 001 Device 014: ID ffff:1300 |
| 10:07.38 | Elrond | Hey... That's noname. Cool. ;o) |
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| 10:24.28 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 10:26.42 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_compatible_cellphone_providers]] |
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| 10:46.54 | mikesh | counter |
| 10:46.55 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 3 days 00:36:43 (3.025 +-3.0 days) (1284;213) |
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| 12:26.42 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Optical_Character_Recognition]] |
| 12:27.41 | hrw | someone know which kernel version we should use on devices? 2.6.20.x or 2.6.21.x? |
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| 13:16.34 | sannes | counter |
| 13:16.34 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 23:22:11 (2.974 +-3.0 days) (1285;213) |
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| 13:35.54 | webjames | hrw did you find out which kernel version? |
| 13:36.00 | hrw | no |
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| 13:39.19 | webjames | hrw, maybe here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Kernel#General seems to indicate 20 |
| 13:39.31 | webjames | but could be patched to 21 |
| 13:43.00 | hrw | that page is old |
| 13:44.07 | webjames | o.. |
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| 13:52.20 | hrw | webjames: 2.6.21 is correct |
| 13:52.33 | hrw | bye |
| 13:52.43 | webjames | hrw, cool. bye |
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| 14:15.14 | balrog-kun | ossman: do you have an idea why CMD3 may be failing? i now have the dmesg on my screen with MMC_DEBUG enabled but i have no means to transfer it to the PC |
| 14:15.49 | balrog-kun | CMD3 is the first command that fails in the sequence (reporting Card Error) but it does write a sane looking "relative address" in the response |
| 14:26.42 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Maui_Addicted]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Main_Page]] |
| 14:33.04 | balrog-kun | oh, nevermind, the omap folks forgot to take R6 into account (again!) and treated it as R1, while the omap hardware does distinguish betwen them - now it stops at CMD9 |
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| 14:41.14 | koen | balrog-kun: troubles with the CSD register? |
| 14:44.37 | balrog-kun | koen: i don't know, it is likely the host driver's fault |
| 14:45.27 | koen | was the big omap merge schedules for .22 or .23? |
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| 14:47.34 | balrog-kun | the arch/ and include/ part has been mostly merged now, and the rest i think depends on when rmk will have time to review. iirc he didn't find time in the .22 merge window |
| 14:48.14 | koen | ah, right |
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| 14:51.18 | yavannadil | beg your pardon, was anyone successful recently with MokoMakefile and qemu? I try to run 'make qemu' and it keeps saying 'U-boot failed to finish writing in 300 seconds, giving up.' |
| 14:52.24 | guaqua | yes |
| 14:52.27 | guaqua | worked for me |
| 14:53.11 | yavannadil | any ideas why doesn't it work? Neither in 300, nor in 900, 1800 etc. seconds... |
| 14:54.36 | guaqua | so this is when the qemu is running? |
| 14:55.32 | yavannadil | well, as I understand it, when it's trying to flash rootfs image into NAND |
| 14:55.49 | guaqua | mmh |
| 14:58.36 | yavannadil | Should it write anything informative after 'Please wait, programming the NAND flash...' ? |
| 14:59.03 | guaqua | i don't know |
| 14:59.15 | guaqua | never looked at the terminal when it was doing it :) |
| 14:59.47 | balrog-kun | yavannadil: can you try without MokoMakefile? |
| 15:00.39 | balrog-kun | yavannadil: webjames had exactly the same problem before - qemu hung after the "Please wait..." message and did nothing |
| 15:00.43 | balrog-kun | i don't know why yet |
| 15:00.50 | yavannadil | That's my next idea, but, according to wiki, it means just calling the same flash.sh by hand, if I'm not mistaken... |
| 15:01.36 | yavannadil | and without MM it worked? |
| 15:01.41 | balrog-kun | yavannadil: hmm, yes, maybe you'll also have to call download.sh by hand too because MokoMakefile does someting with the directories |
| 15:01.46 | balrog-kun | yavannadil: yes |
| 15:02.11 | yavannadil | o, thanks, will try and then bother everyone later :) |
| 15:02.29 | balrog-kun | but then i think there was one person for whom it would also hang without MokoMakefile |
| 15:02.52 | yavannadil | hm... |
| 15:02.53 | balrog-kun | i haven't found any relation between when it happens and the system configuration yet |
| 15:03.06 | yavannadil | I run Ubuntu Feisty |
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| 15:03.54 | guaqua | same here |
| 15:04.09 | guaqua | which build of openmoko are you using? |
| 15:04.16 | yavannadil | just before I leave: is it necessary to put everything into /home/moko? |
| 15:04.38 | balrog-kun | but yes, it should spit whole lots of stuff after the Please wait message, the script would then detect it and wouldn't fail |
| 15:04.44 | yavannadil | don't know, just 'make update-makefile; make update; etc.' |
| 15:05.01 | guaqua | i have it in /home/username/moko |
| 15:05.09 | yavannadil | so do I |
| 15:06.11 | yavannadil | it failed for me twice before (with different errors), so I try to get latest version for every new attempt |
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| 15:06.22 | yavannadil | never worked yet :( |
| 15:06.56 | yavannadil | and with 1-1.5 week between attempts, it's rather slow :( |
| 15:07.28 | yavannadil | well, leaving to try qemu without MM |
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| 15:07.50 | webjames | yavannadil: paste this into a file and run it: http://dpaste.com/11077/ |
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| 15:08.48 | webjames | this is the script that i use, mokomakefile didn't work for me, this did. it also is a lot quicker |
| 15:12.27 | webjames | you'll have to change the dir (2nd line) |
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| 15:16.35 | LuitvD | so anybody else interested in that HDX8 stuff? :P |
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| 15:17.28 | webjames | okay here's an updated file, just paste it into a file and make it executable then run it: http://dpaste.com/hold/11078/ |
| 15:19.03 | webjames | yavannadil: see above, hope this helps |
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| 15:33.51 | webjames | bye bye |
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| 15:36.25 | _buz | LuitvD: my guess is hxd8 is a mp4 player thingy |
| 15:36.50 | _buz | lots of flash and a widescreen |
| 15:37.07 | _buz | and wifi |
| 15:37.38 | _buz | maybe this is what zune could have been |
| 15:38.17 | _buz | or then it is a iphone killer |
| 15:38.22 | _buz | if it has gsm |
| 15:43.02 | bmidgley | is there any way to try out the gps |
| 15:43.53 | koen | bmidgley: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hammerhead_protocol |
| 15:45.53 | tholin | bmidgley: here is some info http://pavelmachek.livejournal.com/ |
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| 16:01.21 | Rince | Hmm |
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| 16:01.31 | Rince | das qemu need Framebuffer? |
| 16:01.45 | Rince | when I try to do the "make qmeu" it complaints about missing /dev/fb or /dev/fb0... |
| 16:03.10 | roh | Rince it should not need it. it usually uses sdl |
| 16:03.15 | Rince | hmm |
| 16:03.23 | Rince | (!) Direct/Util: opening '/dev/fb0' and '/dev/fb/0' failed |
| 16:03.23 | Rince | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.23 | Rince | (!) DirectFB/FBDev: Error opening framebuffer device! |
| 16:03.24 | Rince | (!) DirectFB/FBDev: Use 'fbdev' option or set FRAMEBUFFER environment variable. |
| 16:03.33 | Rince | (!) DirectFB/Core: Could not initialize 'system' core! |
| 16:03.33 | Rince | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:03.33 | Rince | Could not initialize SDL - exiting |
| 16:03.48 | roh | eh... what do you try there |
| 16:04.03 | Rince | I just did a "make qemu" |
| 16:04.10 | Rince | or better: |
| 16:04.11 | Rince | ( cd build/qemu ; arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm \ |
| 16:04.11 | Rince | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.11 | Rince | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.11 | Rince | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.38 | roh | ah.. you have directfb installed and it tries to link against it? |
| 16:07.09 | roh | eh.. the lines youve postet suggest it tried to execute and youve compiled it successfully against directfb which cannot find the framebuffer |
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| 16:08.23 | bmidgley | fwiw, i have bluetooth powering on consistently now |
| 16:08.36 | bmidgley | had to power on and reset in a script so they happen one after the other |
| 16:09.51 | balrog-kun | Rince: if your SDL build doesn't support X, or DISPLAY is not set, SDL will probe other devices |
| 16:13.26 | roh | balrog-kun yeah... that sounds like it... i just were thinking how qemu can run on directfb |
| 16:16.16 | balrog-kun | i think other than no mouse input, everything should work |
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| 16:26.42 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Current_events]] |
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| 16:28.06 | Richard | Hi, does anyone knowwhere I down libosc8k? |
| 16:42.27 | Rince | hm |
| 16:42.37 | Rince | ok, I'll try it another way... thanks ;) |
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| 17:05.32 | guaqua | alan cox on the openmoko-apps list...ooh |
| 17:05.36 | guaqua | superstars around ;) |
| 17:06.07 | ewon | I've been drinking with Alan Cox |
| 17:06.09 | ewon | nice guy |
| 17:07.13 | guaqua | :) |
| 17:07.20 | guaqua | they mostly are |
| 17:07.35 | ewon | I've been meaning to meet Ulrich Depper |
| 17:07.40 | ewon | mostly so I can poke him in the eye |
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| 17:50.51 | Elrond | Is it me, or did the buildhost build nothing since the 22th? |
| 18:02.03 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: It's the buildhost not you :) |
| 18:02.17 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: You like something newer? |
| 18:05.37 | zecke | anyone worked with GtkLayout? |
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| 18:08.03 | PBeck | hi |
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| 18:22.53 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Kernel with patches from revision 2072. ;-) |
| 18:23.03 | Elrond | (gps module fixes) |
| 18:23.36 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: ok, give me a moment (food). |
| 18:24.04 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - No need to panic. If the buildhost will be fixes within the next days, it's fine. |
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| 18:35.03 | kiney | counter |
| 18:35.03 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 20:42:39 (2.863 +-2.9 days) (1286;213) |
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| 18:41.55 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: http://people.openmoko.org/stefan/uImage-2.6-moko10-r0_0_2079_0-fic-gta01.bin |
| 18:45.44 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - :-)) |
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| 18:48.59 | Elrond | Hmm, is the gsm modem connected to the PMU? |
| 18:49.44 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: No idea, why? |
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| 18:53.06 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Because a friend wanted to know, if one can really cut the gsm module from the power. The normal sysfs powermanagement-gsm driver just sets a pin on the SoC, so it just sets a pin on the gsm. The module still gets power, it seems. |
| 18:54.32 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: I would need to dig out the schematics, try to understand and would still not be sure what I'm allowed to say. :) |
| 18:54.59 | Elrond | :-) |
| 18:55.10 | Elrond | I'm currently digging through the PMU init code. ;) |
| 18:56.26 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: As far as I know we have full control over the BP, but not sure if that's includes total power off. |
| 18:57.06 | Elrond | Right, and that's the question. ;o) |
| 18:58.03 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: I know :) |
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| 19:07.14 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/doc/hardware/GTA01Bv4/pmu-voltage.txt doesn't look like we have full control over the power. |
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| 19:08.44 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: hmm, it seems. |
| 19:19.02 | parag0n__ | counter? |
| 19:19.02 | aloril | "/msg aloril counter?" for actual long message, giving short version here: http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 20:20:39 (2.848 +-2.8 days) (1287;213) |
| 19:19.33 | parag0n__ | i wonder if the 24th run ever actually happened |
| 19:23.44 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Is there any doc how kernel module building, packaging into rootfs and perhaps autoloading is done? Or is it reads the source? |
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| 19:25.03 | mmp | Hello, sorry for asking things I could read, but it's just quick idea... |
| 19:25.35 | mmp | Neo1973 doesn't have any hardware blitter, which slows it down a bit... |
| 19:26.06 | mmp | on PXA, there are some DMA channels available for general purpose, serving as a "copy engines" |
| 19:26.28 | mmp | doesn't S3C contain something like that as well? |
| 19:26.53 | mmp | I guess it might be then used as very simple hardware blitter, although all the compositing has to be done in software... . |
| 19:27.06 | Hopscotch | yeah, s3c can do that |
| 19:27.23 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: hehe, I'm not certain about the current situation. But there is a bbclass to build external modules (example would include hostap), packaging into rootfs by making the neo machine file RRECOMMEND or RDEPEND it (this might have changed), autoloading by inheriting update-modules and asking the module to be autoloaded (I can search an example) |
| 19:28.23 | mmp | I'm still not sure about the gain in speed, but maybe someone could try to measure that... it could possibly save few hundreds of cycles... . |
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| 19:29.03 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: packages/hostap/hostap-modules.inc an example for building external modules |
| 19:29.40 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: 1) modules are not external 2) modules are already build 3) I take a look at the RRECOMMEND adn RDEPENDS 4) thanks |
| 19:29.46 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: packages/linux/linux-rp.inc for autoloading modules |
| 19:29.56 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: ah, cool |
| 19:30.10 | mmp | Hopscotch: any idea whether it is real/how it would affect performance? :) (I have never played with these things on PXA) |
| 19:30.19 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: module_autoload_mmc_block_collie = "mmc_block" this should make the mmc_block_collie package load mmc_block |
| 19:30.40 | Hopscotch | mmp: haven't tried it either |
| 19:31.00 | Hopscotch | mmp: and i'm not sure if it is possible to program line sizes and skip values |
| 19:31.00 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: ok, sounds easy |
| 19:32.26 | Hopscotch | mmp: otherwise only full screenwith can be blitted |
| 19:32.26 | SpeedEvil | I'm pretty sure you'd need to reset the DMA thingy for each line |
| 19:32.26 | mmp | Hopscotch: I think you can tell DMA processor how many data it has to copy... |
| 19:32.26 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: change MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS in the machine conf |
| 19:32.27 | SpeedEvil | And at 480 lines - every 60Hz, that's a nasty burden. |
| 19:32.27 | SpeedEvil | Not as bad as doing it by hand. |
| 19:32.27 | mmp | SpeedEvil: I'm not sure, but there are more DMA channels... . That could help a bit... . |
| 19:32.28 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. You mean do several lines at once. |
| 19:32.28 | SpeedEvil | Maybe. |
| 19:32.31 | mmp | yes |
| 19:32.43 | mmp | and setting up DMAs again only after they are all drawn |
| 19:32.55 | Hopscotch | there's always the method of painting into offscreen memory and then swapping pages in hardware |
| 19:33.14 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't help much with smooth moves though. |
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| 19:36.02 | Hopscotch | true |
| 19:36.39 | Hopscotch | but without the ability to skip a number of bytes every line you can't use that dma engine... |
| 19:37.13 | SpeedEvil | A DMA engine that could handle scatter/gather would do. |
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| 19:39.29 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: ok, I added the sound module to MACHINE_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS. Is there a recommended way for modules that are not needed for the machine itself but should anyway go into the rootfs? |
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| 19:40.17 | zecke | scratches head, well the next best thing would be distro? |
| 19:40.32 | zecke | e.g. it is a distro decision to ship ipsec by default or not |
| 19:41.23 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Perhaps, I'm just not sure how mickey|lunch like to have it organized. |
| 19:41.38 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: I play a bit more with this stuff. Thanks |
| 19:42.04 | zecke | hmm orginsation is the enemy of chaos? |
| 19:42.53 | mmp | SpeedEvil, Hopscotch: well, I don't know what DMA engines on s3c can handle... . But I guess it could be possible to have somehow minimize losses when it comes to line-by-line copying... . |
| 19:43.07 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: heh, cu you at ccc camp? :) |
| 19:43.31 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Ah, I think we see us at LinuxTag, right? |
| 19:43.46 | zecke | hopefully |
| 19:43.56 | zecke | haha "2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2" |
| 19:44.06 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: :) |
| 19:44.24 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: Why hopefully? No time? |
| 19:45.39 | zecke | hopefully for the camp, for the LinuxTag I might be forced to hack at the LinuxTag |
| 19:46.16 | stefan_schmidt | ok |
| 19:47.06 | SpeedEvil | Or overloAded values of + |
| 19:55.57 | bmidgley | what is the /home/root/DM2 that pavel machek is referring to |
| 19:56.18 | bmidgley | apparently it has gllin and a working earphone alsa state file |
| 19:56.31 | hrw | morning |
| 19:56.35 | CoreDump|home | hey hrw |
| 19:56.44 | hrw | bmidgley: DM2 is set of soft on bv4 phones which p0 devs got |
| 19:57.05 | bmidgley | hmm I didn't get it |
| 19:57.11 | bmidgley | where? |
| 19:57.17 | hrw | in /home/root |
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| 19:58.02 | bmidgley | hrw: not in my /home/root (empty) |
| 19:58.20 | hrw | bad luck? |
| 19:58.45 | balrog-kun | i though only p1 people had it |
| 19:59.07 | CoreDump|home | only the original P1 image had it |
| 19:59.16 | balrog-kun | right |
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| 19:59.50 | bmidgley | I did not back up the image that came with this phone |
| 20:00.00 | bmidgley | but it wouldn't work (kernel module mismatch) |
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| 20:02.10 | bmidgley | I filed a bug for a missing alsa state file |
| 20:02.17 | bmidgley | maybe it is in /home/root/DM2/audio/ after all |
| 20:03.37 | bmidgley | I also filed a bug because stereoout.state does not work as advertised hmm |
| 20:03.54 | bmidgley | pavel refers to play_wav_earphone.state |
| 20:03.57 | stefan_schmidt | bmidgley: DM2 was only for factory testing. The alsa state files should be in the normal rootfs |
| 20:04.00 | hrw | balrog-kun: p1 phase is not yet started in full.. |
| 20:04.38 | stefan_schmidt | bmidgley: I'll look into this bug later today |
| 20:05.00 | bmidgley | ok |
| 20:06.10 | bmidgley | I couldn't match up the alsa controller names with the labels in the wolfson docs |
| 20:06.16 | stefan_schmidt | bmidgley: That are the alsa state files we currentyl have in rootfs: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/oe/packages/alsa/files/ |
| 20:06.30 | stefan_schmidt | bmidgley: yeah, alsa controls are a pain in this phone. :) |
| 20:06.50 | stefan_schmidt | bmidgley: That why we let the wolfson guys do the alsa state files. :) |
| 20:06.57 | bmidgley | I thought I would write the systembluetooth state but I can't figure out what is going on |
| 20:07.39 | hrw | alsa controls are pain on WMxxxx codecs |
| 20:07.44 | hrw | they are too complex |
| 20:08.05 | stefan_schmidt | bmidgley: Normally Xora and lrg hanging out here. Both are working for wolfson and should be able to help you perhaps |
| 20:08.29 | bmidgley | stefan_schmidt: what timezone? |
| 20:08.35 | zecke | bmidgley: U.K. |
| 20:10.05 | stefan_schmidt | Anybody still have the delievered image on the P1 and can tell me if there are different state file then here? http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/oe/packages/alsa/files/ |
| 20:12.27 | stefan_schmidt | In the DM2 folder I mean |
| 20:14.20 | hrw | when finally openmoko drop that md-desktop1 crap... |
| 20:15.43 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: What exactly you refer to? |
| 20:15.43 | hrw | stefan_schmidt: there are few others |
| 20:15.48 | balrog-kun | there are the loopback_* and play_wav_*.state files |
| 20:16.16 | zecke | WebKit victory is near :} |
| 20:16.18 | hrw | stefan_schmidt: are you able to use that small up/down icons which are in top right corner to navigate? |
| 20:16.44 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: Besides they re to small they work |
| 20:17.04 | hrw | stefan_schmidt: they work IF you ARE able to select them |
| 20:17.09 | stefan_schmidt | hrw, balrog-kun: Can you upload this file somewhere? |
| 20:17.17 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: heh, indeed |
| 20:17.40 | hrw | it is guessing where this time I had to point stylus to press them |
| 20:17.44 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: In the end we will not use the desktop but the mainmenu instead |
| 20:17.49 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: do you know if one can sleep in the GSM village? (at the camp?) |
| 20:18.08 | hrw | stefan_schmidt: mainmenu is? |
| 20:18.14 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: I hope so. We plan to build our tend there. :) |
| 20:18.41 | hrw | menu, window menu, mainmenu, tasklist, task switcher |
| 20:18.52 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: sleep with shelter/roof without a tent |
| 20:19.13 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: ah, no idea |
| 20:19.26 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: I'm not certain that doku will join me and having a single tent doesn't sond like fun |
| 20:19.44 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: moment |
| 20:19.59 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: We will come with a SG30 (30m^2 tent) |
| 20:20.43 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: main menu is the app which displays all the app icons and have the fingerwheel to navigate. |
| 20:20.45 | balrog-kun | stefan_schmidt: try http://www.numenor.art.pl/balrog/alsa/ |
| 20:20.54 | stefan_schmidt | balrog-kun: thanks |
| 20:22.15 | stefan_schmidt | balrog-kun: Will they stay there for some time or should I copy them over when I like to link them from the bugreport? |
| 20:23.03 | hrw | I would add to bugtracker anyway |
| 20:23.32 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: You mean the files directly? |
| 20:23.37 | hrw | yes |
| 20:23.54 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: sounds like a good idea, indeed. :) |
| 20:24.11 | mmp | SpeedEvil, Hopscotch: Err, I thought s3c has more than 4 DMA engines; I'm not sure whether this amount can significantly help and not hurt other parts of system... . |
| 20:24.18 | stefan_schmidt | I'll take care of this. |
| 20:24.21 | hrw | what if someone want to read bug and balrog machine will be down? |
| 20:25.02 | stefan_schmidt | bmidgley: It seem this files will not help you, too. No system -> bt profile |
| 20:26.51 | balrog-kun | stefan_schmidt: if it's not very critical you can link to this address |
| 20:26.55 | bmidgley | stefan_schmidt: ok. btw, I also checked out play_wav_earphone.state. still not stereo |
| 20:27.05 | bmidgley | but at least it turns of the ext speaker |
| 20:27.25 | stefan_schmidt | balrog-kun: I'll add them to the bug directly as hrw suggested |
| 20:27.31 | balrog-kun | stefan_schmidt: okay, cool |
| 20:27.36 | balrog-kun | (the machine has had zero downtime in last 54 days) |
| 20:28.03 | bmidgley | maybe there's a bug somewhere else |
| 20:28.21 | bmidgley | I looked at the wolfson docs and couldn't figure out how you'd accidentally get left/right mixed down |
| 20:28.33 | hrw | shit |
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| 20:28.43 | hrw | my bv3 has charge-die loop again ;( |
| 20:29.20 | balrog-kun | i'm now playing with the modem and the modem brand responses at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Hardware:AT_Commands appear to have been fixed, i.e. correct names are reported |
| 20:29.23 | balrog-kun | :) |
| 20:29.26 | balrog-kun | do i update the page? |
| 20:29.40 | hrw | balrog-kun: bv3 does not report, bv4 does |
| 20:30.04 | balrog-kun | ah okay, i thought someone intentionally obscured the strings :) |
| 20:31.50 | balrog-kun | is there a reason to not give out your IMEI number? |
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| 20:33.49 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: okay, I will book a place in your tent then |
| 20:34.11 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: noted |
| 20:35.06 | stefan_schmidt | balrog-kun: The bv4 has a new GSM frimware image |
| 20:35.10 | stefan_schmidt | firmware even |
| 20:36.03 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: are you preparing an official P1 image? |
| 20:36.55 | hrw | ~lart openmoko bitbake |
| 20:36.55 | apt | wallops openmoko bitbake with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
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| 20:36.55 | zecke | hrw: why? |
| 20:36.55 | hrw | zecke: parse time |
| 20:36.55 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: no, just try to fix some bugs. mickey|lunch seems a bit overloaded |
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| 20:38.24 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: official P1 images are for puppies :) |
| 20:38.25 | hrw | stefan_schmidt: ;D |
| 20:38.45 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: I want to lend my neo to a puppy |
| 20:39.02 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: oh |
| 20:39.27 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: You should try to get girls without hardware ;) |
| 20:40.03 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: don't make me cry. I'm working on it though |
| 20:40.43 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: She will come, for sure |
| 20:41.14 | zecke | hehe |
| 20:41.21 | stefan_schmidt | balrog-kun: ok, I have added the files to the bug. You can remove them if you like |
| 20:42.41 | slider | hm...how long does it take to build the openmoko-devel-image at average? :) |
| 20:42.41 | aloril | slider: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 20:43.18 | stefan_schmidt | slider: 3,5h if you have all sources already and a AMD X2 4600 with 4GB RAM |
| 20:43.48 | stefan_schmidt | slider: Without the sources it depends on your internet connection |
| 20:43.50 | hrw | ~lart openmoko^Wfic for lack of normal ps in rootfs |
| 20:43.50 | apt | gives openmoko^Wfic a good seeing to for lack of normal ps in rootfs |
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| 20:44.04 | slider | 2ghz singlecore without sources...so maybe tomorrow i guess :) |
| 20:44.16 | stefan_schmidt | hrw-lart-counter++; |
| 20:44.23 | CoreDump|home | hrw: the ps thingy is driving me nuts as well |
| 20:44.29 | pavelm | Hello, everyone. |
| 20:44.52 | stefan_schmidt | slider: Let it do his job tonight :) |
| 20:44.56 | pavelm | stefan: oh now , lart counter just overflowed. |
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| 20:45.16 | hrw | matchbox-desktop-2 is much better then 1 |
| 20:45.18 | hrw | hi Pavel |
| 20:45.36 | stefan_schmidt | pavelm: it's a long and I started it just 10 minutes ago :) |
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| 20:45.44 | hrw | CoreDump|home: few other things too but I lack time to play more with neo to complain enough |
| 20:46.13 | CoreDump|home | hrw: complaining is of no use. Reaction times to bugreports are a little bit "high" |
| 20:46.40 | stefan_schmidt | hrw: btw, I'll submit my startup-monitor applet for panel-2 to mallum next week |
| 20:46.56 | hrw | CoreDump|home: sometimes I do some neo related things which are pushed by not only me to coreteam to look at them |
| 20:47.05 | stefan_schmidt | CoreDump|home: Just add patches and we gat faster ;) |
| 20:47.23 | hrw | stefan_schmidt: really? |
| 20:47.28 | hrw | !ombug 564 |
| 20:47.29 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 564, Status: RESOLVED (INVALID), Created: Unknown |
| 20:47.30 | cdbot2 | * * gronslet(AT)gmail.com: MokoMakefile: cmd_mfsl.c:32:21: error: asm/asm.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:47.31 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=564 |
| 20:47.32 | CoreDump|home | stefan_schmidt: did once, didn't help. |
| 20:47.37 | hrw | !ombug 566 |
| 20:47.39 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 566, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 20:47.40 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko(AT)hrw.one.pl: settings-daemon recipe NEED updating |
| 20:47.41 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=566 |
| 20:47.53 | hrw | 566 is critical even |
| 20:48.13 | hrw | as it break upgrades totally |
| 20:48.14 | stefan_schmidt | ok guys, I'll poke mickey|lunch once he is online again |
| 20:50.37 | hrw | o.. new theme has smaller fonts |
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| 20:57.09 | hrw | after recompilation of kernel and dfu |
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| 21:21.02 | hrw | http://blog.haerwu.biz/tmp/grab.png |
| 21:21.15 | goxboxlive | hrw: looking good |
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| 21:23.37 | goxboxlive | hrw: is the screeni from the FIC phone? |
| 21:23.43 | hrw | yes |
| 21:24.13 | Elrond | hrw - What app do you use to show this nice list? |
| 21:24.28 | hrw | matchbox-desktop-2 |
| 21:25.00 | Elrond | Is that in the default image? |
| 21:25.08 | hrw | no |
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| 21:28.51 | goxboxlive | I builded a openmoko-image today and tried it out on my Universal but the text and folders where twice as big as usual (yes i have a vga screen). Looked like i was running the image on a qvga screen. |
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| 21:31.46 | hrw | pavelm: how goes gps hacking? |
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| 21:33.02 | pavelm | hrw: phase1 + gllin -> mostly working gps, so I guess I have other toys right now. |
| 21:33.32 | hrw | pavelm: bridge it to BT so neo will work as BT-GPS :) |
| 21:35.13 | pavelm | hrw: I played with that already ;-). It works on a pc, and I guess I could make it run on neo, too. |
| 21:35.39 | pavelm | hrw: But gps does not have signal here, so such games are time-consuming. |
| 21:36.02 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - You still alive? |
| 21:36.03 | hrw | happens |
| 21:36.17 | pavelm | (Is there any way to get recent history of this irc channel? I've seen discussion that looked interesting, but then my machine crashed). |
| 21:36.20 | pavelm | Hi, Elrond. |
| 21:36.44 | pavelm | Elrond: So what is the result of neo vs. oabi vs. eabi? |
| 21:36.44 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Always, but give me a moment |
| 21:37.03 | Elrond | pavelm - I did not fully it more. I compiled python + pyserial finally. :-) |
| 21:37.18 | Elrond | pavelm - But now u-boot doesn't like me. |
| 21:37.29 | hrw | ~logs |
| 21:37.51 | apt | i guess logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 21:37.52 | pavelm | ~logs |
| 21:38.18 | apt | [logs] apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 21:38.20 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.20 | hrw | 200 wakeups per second???? |
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| 21:38.59 | pavelm | thanks, hrw |
| 21:39.05 | Elrond | hrw - That's the normal timer clock, not wakeup. |
| 21:39.08 | wehttamb_ | counter |
| 21:39.08 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 50%) P1: 2 days 19:10:36 (2.799 +-2.8 days) (1288;213) |
| 21:39.31 | hrw | Elrond: I did not get it on x86/amd64 |
| 21:39.59 | zecke | hrw: we don't use dynticks yet? |
| 21:40.04 | Elrond | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.04 | Elrond | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.30 | pavelm | hrw: ...unfortunately that means I'll have to wait few hours to see the logs :-(. |
| 21:40.41 | Elrond | 100Hz, 2755 secs, looks like 46min uptime, which is close. |
| 21:40.51 | pavelm | ...that would certainly explain why openmoko gets warm while turned on. |
| 21:41.28 | hrw | pavelm: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/#openmoko.log |
| 21:41.36 | hrw | pavelm: whole month |
| 21:42.35 | pavelm | You don't have permission to access /tmp/hrw/t/#openmoko.log on this server |
| 21:42.55 | hrw | pavelm: retry |
| 21:43.25 | pavelm | Thanks a lot! |
| 21:43.36 | hrw | zecke: they are in kernel. but not enabled ;( will reboot |
| 21:44.32 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: ok, here I am |
| 21:45.10 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Does that match: 83cbdc0b33d4d90c4e26da198bcbdbe8 uImage-2.6-moko10-r0_0_2079_0-fic-gta01.bin ? |
| 21:45.43 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Because I loaded it into RAM and u-boot complains about "Verifying Checksum ... Bad Data CRC". |
| 21:46.26 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: moment |
| 21:48.33 | stefan_schmidt | 83cbdc0b33d4d90c4e26da198bcbdbe8 uImage-2.6-moko10-r0_0_2079_0-fic-gta01.bin |
| 21:48.53 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: So yes |
| 21:49.34 | hrw | fscking usb serial |
| 21:51.43 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Le me try to flash it on bv4 |
| 21:53.20 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: Works fine here |
| 21:54.06 | stefan_schmidt | BTW, if anybody has problems with dfu and has the neo connected to a hub please try it again directly connected to pc |
| 21:54.30 | stefan_schmidt | There are problems reported with a hub between |
| 21:54.51 | stefan_schmidt | I added a note to the wiki, but you guys are mostly faster for answers :) |
| 21:54.53 | stefan_schmidt | http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Dfu-util&curid=2018&diff=8821&oldid=8281 |
| 21:56.02 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - Okay... Story: I do not flash new kernels. I load them into the neo's RAM using DFU. Then I boot the RAM via u-boot's usbserial. Normally works nicely. This time I had to DFU it two times, because u-boot decided to read some fun from flash after the first DFU. |
| 21:57.02 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: ah, ok |
| 21:57.36 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - I made a photo of the NEO doing that. ;-) (excluding my second DFU load) |
| 21:57.46 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - I'll upload it to flickr tomorrow. |
| 22:00.39 | pavelm | ...I have may19 image here.. and I'd like to install some software from angstrom. |
| 22:01.00 | pavelm | ...unfortunately ipkg update gives me 404. |
| 22:04.47 | hrw | pavelm: normal |
| 22:05.01 | hrw | I have own local feed |
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| 22:05.53 | hrw | and especially for stefan_schmidt: |
| 22:05.54 | pavelm | hrw: could we point ipkg at angstrom/something else working by default? |
| 22:06.05 | hrw | ~lart neo for not recognizing my sim card |
| 22:06.05 | apt | smacks neo up side the head with a clue-by-4 for not recognizing my sim card |
| 22:06.14 | hrw | pavelm: openmoko has feed |
| 22:06.23 | hrw | but in other place |
| 22:06.33 | stefan_schmidt | hrw-lart-counter++; |
| 22:06.35 | hrw | I have it on bv3 but it decided to die again |
| 22:07.09 | zecke | hrw-lart-counter |
| 22:07.32 | hrw | pavelm: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/ipk/ and subdirs |
| 22:07.35 | zecke | ~hrw-lart-counter |
| 22:07.49 | stefan_schmidt | zecke: heh, I'm not a IRC scripter |
| 22:08.04 | zecke | stefan_schmidt: well, somehow this works over at the webkit channel ;) |
| 22:08.19 | stefan_schmidt | Perhaps a fun job for aloril2 |
| 22:08.58 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: heh |
| 22:09.32 | pavelm | unfortunately angstrom's armv4t packages are incompatible with openmoko |
| 22:10.30 | hrw | pavelm: openmoko is oabi |
| 22:10.52 | pavelm | ...and http://buildhost.openmoko.org/tmp/deploy/ipk/ does not seem to contain "basic" stuff like bash. |
| 22:11.18 | hrw | pavelm: build it by yourself? |
| 22:11.48 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - BTW: Your kernel also does not support the backlight on Bv03. ;-) |
| 22:12.12 | pavelm | hrw: I thought it is eabi. Ok, that means I should be able to "just run debian/arm" in chroot? |
| 22:12.44 | hrw | pavelm: your and your way.... |
| 22:13.00 | hrw | it reminded me 'please, do not follow pavelm way' post |
| 22:13.21 | hrw | pavelm: grab mokomakefile and build what you want |
| 22:13.53 | hrw | lamer |
| 22:13.58 | balrog-kun | i think it should be trivial to recompile all of openmoko with an eabi toolchain |
| 22:14.00 | Elrond | pavelm - If you want python, you can have my *.ipk. :-) |
| 22:14.20 | hrw | balrog-kun: it is even easier if you just install angstrom on phone |
| 22:14.45 | balrog-kun | hrw: well, or any other distro |
| 22:14.51 | pavelm | hrw: How do I "just install angstrom" on phone? |
| 22:14.54 | balrog-kun | i think debian also has en eabi version |
| 22:14.57 | pavelm | hrw: I'd pretty much like to do that. |
| 22:15.07 | pavelm | balrog: Yes, but arm/eabi seems in beta now. |
| 22:15.08 | hrw | balrog-kun: unofficial only |
| 22:15.21 | hrw | pavelm: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/images/ |
| 22:15.52 | balrog-kun | pavelm: things can stay in "beta" for years on debian ;) |
| 22:16.04 | pavelm | hrw: That gives me nice "not found" page. |
| 22:16.34 | hrw | moment |
| 22:16.40 | zecke | victory is near :} |
| 22:16.45 | hrw | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/ |
| 22:18.43 | pavelm | hrw: Thanks, I did not know about that one. I attempted to search for it but no luck. |
| 22:19.09 | Elrond | YES! |
| 22:19.22 | Elrond | The GPS on the P0 gives me some bytes! :-) |
| 22:19.25 | zecke | there are no uclibc EABI ARM images |
| 22:19.35 | pavelm | Elrond: How did you do that? |
| 22:19.52 | Elrond | pavelm - Got a _very_ fresh kernel from stefan_schmidt :-) |
| 22:20.17 | Elrond | pavelm - checkin 2072 fixes a stupid bug in the kernel. It gives 1.5V on a 2.5V line to the gps. ;-) |
| 22:20.44 | pavelm | elrond: Ouch ;-). |
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| 22:20.53 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: congrats |
| 22:20.59 | pavelm | Could someone check "http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Binary_compatibility"? I'm pretty new to oabi vs. eabi etc. |
| 22:21.47 | hrw|gone | pavelm: then please do not create such pages... |
| 22:21.48 | pavelm | elrond: Fast, launch gllin :-). |
| 22:22.01 | hrw|gone | pavelm: oabi can be hardfloat or softfloat |
| 22:22.08 | hrw|gone | softfloat has few versions |
| 22:22.18 | hrw|gone | arm OABI world is nightmare |
| 22:22.42 | hrw|gone | and endianness does not have nothing to say |
| 22:22.46 | pavelm | hrw: Such page needs to exist.. to explain the nightmare. |
| 22:22.50 | hrw|gone | arm/eabi on LE |
| 22:22.52 | hrw|gone | arm/eabi on BE |
| 22:23.06 | hrw|gone | pavelm: then find proper one and put only link in wiki |
| 22:23.16 | pavelm | Okay, so there are more flavours. Is arm/eabi actually used? |
| 22:23.31 | hrw|gone | nokia use eabi on tables |
| 22:23.33 | pavelm | hrw: I could not find proper one. Debian listed oabi/eabi/big endian. |
| 22:23.38 | hrw|gone | cu |
| 22:23.58 | Elrond | Night hrw :-) |
| 22:24.05 | pavelm | good night! |
| 22:24.15 | Elrond | pavelm - Officially I do not have gllin. ;-) |
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| 22:26.30 | *** join/#openmoko disguy__ (i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-a418af3077a0063d) |
| 22:26.47 | pavelm | elrond: Then you'll have to say "I feel like this would get a gps fix if I only had gllin". |
| 22:27.12 | Elrond | pavelm - ;-) |
| 22:27.23 | Elrond | pavelm - BTW: Do you know anything about the cmdline params of gllin? |
| 22:28.42 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[Binary_compatibility]] [[Main_Page]] [[Dfu-util]] |
| 22:29.27 | pavelm | elrond: gllin -low 3 is nice to test if communications work |
| 22:29.43 | pavelm | elrond: it also inits the gps; then do cat /tmp/nmeaNP, switch consoles, do gllin cold |
| 22:31.24 | Elrond | pavelm - Ahh. :-) |
| 22:31.48 | Elrond | I should get a longer usb cable to get the neo closer to the window first ;) |
| 22:33.37 | pavelm | elrond: do gllin -low 3 first. That does not need window. |
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| 22:39.27 | pavelm | ...flashing angstrom now. |
| 22:46.05 | pavelm | ...missing libxcb :-(. |
| 22:47.58 | LuitvD | bye y'all |
| 23:01.39 | Elrond | stefan_schmidt - BTW: Another way to get modules in the rootfs: let task-base depend on them. (I just wanted to make some space on my rootfs, and tried to remove unneeded modules and task-base kept me from doing that.) |
| 23:04.04 | stefan_schmidt | Elrond: ok, thanks for the hint |
| 23:06.06 | pavelm | Elrond: So... does the gps work now? |
| 23:06.48 | Elrond | pavelm - I have not tried with gllin. I have a .c from ph5, which does some basic tests. And that one worked. I guess, it's like gllin -low 3. |
| 23:07.18 | zecke | Elrond: well EXTRA_MACHINES_RRECOMMENDS are used by task-base |
| 23:10.13 | Elrond | zecke - Ahh. ;o) |
| 23:13.32 | pavelm | Angstrom-x11-image-test-20070524-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 seems to work better... |
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| 23:27.40 | pavelm | ...yay, now i have bash :-) |
| 23:29.55 | Elrond | pavelm - But now gllin wont work any more, I'd guess. ;o) |
| 23:32.36 | pavelm | Elrond: Ouch :-( |
| 23:32.43 | pavelm | Elrond: Back to square one. |
| 23:37.04 | Elrond | pavelm - Try "~lart binary-only crap" ;o) |
| 23:44.50 | zecke | wtf, I have almost working scrollbars :) |
| 23:46.55 | Elrond | zecke - What are you going? |
| 23:47.23 | zecke | GtkLayout for the WebKit FrameView |
| 23:47.36 | zecke | currently it was only able to scroll by scrolling the renderLayer |
| 23:49.06 | Elrond | Ahh. :) |
| 23:51.54 | pavelm | ~lart binary-only crap. |
| 23:51.54 | apt | strangles binary-only crap. with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 23:51.54 | pavelm | ...I guess I could create small chroot just for gllin? |
| 23:52.23 | zecke | pavelm: you could let it run in qemu on your neo |
| 23:52.25 | pavelm | ...that may be right thing, anyway. gllin _belongs_ in chroot jail. |
| 23:55.34 | pavelm | Anyone tried GPE^2? Screenshots look cool.... |
| 23:56.51 | zecke | lol, the German Tagesschau speaker named the G8 participants hostake-takers :) |
| 23:56.55 | zecke | pavelm: build it with OE |
| 23:58.40 | pavelm | "hostage-takers"? |
| 23:59.26 | pavelm | ...I guess I should just carry two fic phones with me. One to run gllin, and second to run the rest of code... |
