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| 00:18.09 | Sufflope | counter |
| 00:18.09 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess) P1: a day 17:51:01 (1.744 +-1.7 days) (1177;204) |
| 00:18.29 | robtaylor | lol, right |
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| 01:35.42 | neostrider | hey folks |
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| 02:52.11 | falls_huang | I received a neo1973, but how can I know the phone versions ? handware version and software version ? |
| 02:52.54 | falls_huang | my friends only give a phone without any direction |
| 02:53.07 | roh | falls_huang is there a sti8cker in the battery holder? |
| 02:53.11 | roh | -8 |
| 02:53.30 | falls_huang | yes |
| 02:57.04 | roh | does it say something like gta01b_v4 above the battery? |
| 02:58.05 | falls_huang | thank u , i got it: version: 70-7gta01b-0003 |
| 02:58.55 | falls_huang | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.55 | falls_huang | how about your version ? |
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| 03:00.58 | falls_huang | There are some info in my battery : Mode: GTC-01/GTA-01 |
| 03:00.59 | falls_huang | 1200mAh |
| 03:03.32 | falls_huang | roh, what's the Bps of the serial port of neo1973? 115200 ? |
| 03:04.00 | roh | its above the battery holder |
| 03:05.09 | roh | is there a sticker with a S/N on it? |
| 03:05.20 | roh | and a datecode above? |
| 03:06.10 | falls_huang | my DATA CODE: 20070420 |
| 03:06.20 | falls_huang | thank u , I got it . |
| 03:07.18 | roh | and below the datecode and s/n ther eis a extra sticker with something like gta01b_VX where x should be 3 or 4 |
| 03:08.01 | roh | this is the important number. because if you flash the u-boot it has to be the right one according to that number |
| 03:08.20 | roh | bv3 or bv4 are out there currently at some devels |
| 03:10.37 | falls_huang | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.10 | falls_huang | my neo1973 version is gta01b_V4 |
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| 03:12.26 | roh | you usually do not need the debugboard |
| 03:12.58 | roh | only if you killed the bootloader its there to unbrick it or to singlestep the kernel while developing drivers for example |
| 03:13.16 | roh | the updates to flash are done via dfu over usb |
| 03:13.35 | roh | you only need the miniusb-usb cable which ypou should have got with it |
| 03:16.51 | falls_huang | thank u , but How can I copy program to neo1973 to run it ? how can I use gdb to debug the application ? I can't search any info in wiki :( |
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| 03:21.50 | roh | falls_huang can't search? why? is something broken there? |
| 03:24.33 | falls_huang | sorry, I was wrong , I mean I could not find any manual about how to use gdb to debug APP in wiki.openmoko |
| 03:29.16 | roh | ah.. i see.. you should have an gdb on the phone |
| 03:33.01 | roh | and there should be a complete tree of ipks with debug symbols (theyre big) |
| 03:33.34 | roh | so just plug the phone onto your computer via usb, set up usb networking and ssh into the phone and start your app within gdb |
| 03:39.00 | falls_huang | i see, thank u. I think if I can boot neo1973 through nfsroot, then we will have an easy life :) |
| 03:42.14 | roh | nfsroot will be complicated because of thze slow usblink and the factor that its ethernet over usb at all |
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| 05:49.58 | _ASK | hi |
| 05:52.53 | _ASK | hey, i was trying to run an experimental distro for the treo 650 and it refuses to boot, not matter what i try; do you think it could be that the kernel doesn't handle the fet32 sd well? |
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| 06:00.19 | _ASK | oh yes, only fat16. |
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| 06:24.51 | billl_ | counter |
| 06:24.51 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 (uncertainty is a optimistic guess) P1: a day 14:47:41 (1.616 +-1.6 days) (1178;205) |
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| 06:29.41 | Rince | ;) |
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| 07:17.51 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:36.36 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:53.34 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (guess: 35%) |
| 07:53.34 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (guess: 35%) |
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| 08:10.23 | minime | pretty pessimistic i reckon... 5% for never? i suppose for that some nokia/ericsson/... hired assassins need to kill the whole crew ;) |
| 08:10.56 | aloril | well.. that 5% includes July too ;-) |
| 08:11.35 | minime | oh right. |
| 08:11.47 | aloril | maybe less than 1% |
| 08:11.59 | minime | well 5% for july is actually not that unlikely i think^^ |
| 08:12.52 | aloril | hmm.. yeah, maybe its too small number |
| 08:13.43 | mjr | I'd put more probability for P1+ in 08-01- than 07-01 myself, but dunno obviously |
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| 08:22.05 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (guess: 30%) |
| 08:22.05 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (guess: 30%) |
| 08:22.17 | aloril | updated page too, better now? |
| 08:23.20 | aloril | maybe 2007-10-01 - never together should have more than 25% ? |
| 08:24.07 | aloril | then bluetooth itself delayed P0 2-3 months? so.. current + 2-3 months is not that bad, but if there is some graphics acceleration update too... |
| 08:25.33 | aloril | hmm.. P1+ doesn't include tiny probability for < 2007-06-01, but I think that is less than 0.5% and thus 'noice' ;-) |
| 08:26.33 | XorA | aloril: you should just change the counter to suspended pending announcments |
| 08:27.27 | aloril | XorA: maybe |
| 08:27.48 | aloril | if no announcements during next 3 days, then it will |
| 08:30.44 | XorA | aloril: some people take the counter far too serious :-) |
| 08:31.05 | hads | indeed |
| 08:31.10 | aloril | XorA: yeah, I will gradually lower probability though |
| 08:32.17 | aloril | counter |
| 08:32.17 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (guess: 30%) P1: a day 13:43:58 (1.572 +-1.6 days) (1179;204) |
| 08:32.53 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 30%) |
| 08:32.53 | aloril | aloril changed counter prefix message to http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 30%) |
| 08:35.36 | aloril | that guess about "setting up web shop" is based on this: "Selling direct to end users is a new thing for FIC." quote from Sean |
| 08:36.06 | aloril | dunno if they would set it up themselves or get it from somewhere else |
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| 08:46.40 | aloril | XorA: many on the other hand are calling counter to see "are there any new announcements" -sense |
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| 08:51.49 | Psi | aloril, It's so soon now i can taste it... Tastes like freshly produced semiconductor.... SHIT! i hope it's RoHS |
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| 08:55.22 | Psi | i reckon the bots in here should be running on a neo |
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| 09:12.13 | aloril | counter_msg http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 35%) |
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| 09:14.16 | roh | Psi yeah.. all new electronics on this planet are mine.. HARR |
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| 09:29.00 | hrw | morning |
| 09:29.08 | SpeedEvil | "" |
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| 09:31.01 | sparq | Heh. Someone in the OpenMoko admin universe likes Indian mythology. |
| 09:31.26 | sparq | openmoko.org mail is handled by 10 sita.openmoko.org. |
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| 09:31.34 | sparq | openmoko.com mail is handled by 10 sita.openmoko.org. |
| 09:31.55 | sparq | Domain servers in listed order: GANESHA.GNUMONKS.ORG ... |
| 09:34.42 | florian_ | :-) |
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| 09:36.29 | roh | sparq laforges 'fault' ;) |
| 09:36.31 | sparq | Does anyone from FIC wander ever join #openmoko? |
| 09:36.50 | roh | sparq i'm currently sitting in fic hq in taipeh |
| 09:37.41 | roh | but no, i cannot give you an update beside 'all hell broke loose since we started the project' and we are working very hard on getting working devices out to you guys. |
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| 09:38.35 | LuitvD | counter |
| 09:38.36 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 35%) P1: a day 13:10:48 (1.549 +-1.5 days) (1180;204) |
| 09:39.37 | roh | sparq nobody has ever done such a thing before, so we have to invent some procedures while we are underway, which takes some time |
| 09:39.53 | sparq | roh: yeah, that is why I was wondering |
| 09:40.33 | CM | roh: We're all eagerly waiting for some kind of official statement, even if it's just "Some phones have been produced an are now being tested" or so |
| 09:41.00 | sparq | roh: Like a log of people, I'm so used to open source software, it seems very unnatural to "just wait" |
| 09:41.01 | roh | it's really not that we have forgotten you guys, but we try to get it done and are barely coping under the load of ideas and stuff falling onto us. |
| 09:41.32 | sparq | roh: I'd bet! |
| 09:41.36 | CM | roh: Most importantly, don't burn out :) |
| 09:41.54 | roh | CM i will talk to sean when he gets out of the meeting, to give you guys atleast a litte trickle again. i know how important that is for you all. |
| 09:42.57 | roh | CM yeah. i sometimes really don't know how sean or harald do it ;) but i will make shure they will not kill themselves fot this project |
| 09:44.52 | roh | s/fot/for |
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| 09:47.11 | sparq | roh: I know that hardware is different, so I don't expect you guys to be able to keep the community updated all the time. I was just wondering if there were any FIC people around two whom I might communicate my encouragement. |
| 09:49.02 | sparq | to whom, I mean |
| 09:49.03 | sparq | having worked on long, difficult projects myself, I know how valuable a little encouragement can be |
| 09:49.03 | roh | :) |
| 09:49.11 | Plasma_GR | where will we be able to buy the phones? will there be any notification on the main web site? |
| 09:49.11 | aloril | Plasma_GR: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 09:50.10 | roh | Plasma_GR there will. propably we will set up the 'shop' on openmoko.com when ready |
| 09:50.30 | Plasma_GR | nice, thankx |
| 09:54.26 | sparq | roh: Actually, if you want to leak some key information to the channel... some data regarding restaurants in close proximity to the development team that deliver and accept credit cards... |
| 09:54.45 | SpeedEvil | roh: Any chances of PCB pics of the V4 - are the reported I2C breakout pads there? |
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| 09:59.01 | sparq | roh: Just a thought. People who hack on open source projects are used to contributing something, so since we can't contribute patches, we might at least contribute lunch. ^_^ |
| 09:59.28 | SpeedEvil | Oooh - capacative I2c sensors. Hadn't thought off them. |
| 10:00.28 | SpeedEvil | And thickness of course. |
| 10:00.50 | roh | SpeedEvil yeah on V4 there are spi and i2c lines on the debug connector and afaik also on small testpoints near it |
| 10:01.12 | SpeedEvil | K. |
| 10:01.15 | SpeedEvil | Thansk. |
| 10:01.29 | roh | sparq hehe.. if you are in berlin, braunschweig, taipeh or so on... ;) |
| 10:01.41 | LuitvD | roh: and a GPIO line too? |
| 10:01.57 | roh | i dunno.. i will have to look that up |
| 10:02.07 | SpeedEvil | Even if no GPIO, there are _MANY_ I2C-GPIO |
| 10:02.35 | LuitvD | I heard something about an interruptable pin |
| 10:03.27 | Maulkin | Morning |
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| 10:05.38 | Plasma_GR | oh my... i get almost nothing of what you talk about, im constantly copying stuff of your lines and query them on google |
| 10:05.52 | hrw | ;D |
| 10:06.15 | Plasma_GR | the funny thing is that im learning stuff through that lol |
| 10:06.22 | LuitvD | heheh |
| 10:06.31 | LuitvD | what do you want to know then? |
| 10:07.05 | Plasma_GR | i wish i knew |
| 10:07.19 | LuitvD | :P |
| 10:09.28 | Plasma_GR | a multi touch screen is the one who can process more than one "taps" at a single time? |
| 10:09.38 | SpeedEvil | Yes |
| 10:09.43 | SpeedEvil | and record their location |
| 10:09.44 | Plasma_GR | *which |
| 10:09.59 | Plasma_GR | k, thankx |
| 10:10.08 | LuitvD | and ultimately, their pressure too |
| 10:10.08 | SpeedEvil | single touch ones report a single touch that's roughly at the centre of the bounding box of all touches |
| 10:10.16 | SpeedEvil | Not all report pressure |
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| 10:10.32 | LuitvD | nope, that's why I said "ultimately" |
| 10:10.34 | LuitvD | :P |
| 10:10.40 | hrw | SpeedEvil: single touch reports depend also on pressure used - not have to be at center |
| 10:10.49 | SpeedEvil | 'roughly' |
| 10:10.52 | LuitvD | Jeff Han's multitouch screen kicks ass :) |
| 10:11.12 | LuitvD | hrw: in the center of pressure |
| 10:11.14 | LuitvD | ;) |
| 10:11.53 | SpeedEvil | It depends on the resistance the touch causes between the two sheets, and the resistance of the sheets |
| 10:12.11 | SpeedEvil | if the resistance of the touch is very small, then it will be relatively pressure/area insensitive |
| 10:12.37 | SpeedEvil | (in the case of multi-touches, it won't be greatly skewed to the heaviest touch) |
| 10:12.39 | roh | LuitvD yes.. there IS one line which is afaik an irq on the debug connector |
| 10:12.54 | roh | will be documented as soon as you guys get the devices. |
| 10:13.02 | LuitvD | nice |
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| 10:14.21 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User:OleTange]] [[Wishlist:Text_Input]] |
| 10:14.37 | roh | LuitvD harald took care this happened ;) so he should get the beer for it |
| 10:14.52 | LuitvD | lol |
| 10:15.48 | roh | btw.. if any of you guys see a shop where you can buy a 4gb micro-sd card and they REALLY have it and not only list it.. please say so. we cannot even find them here in .tw |
| 10:16.01 | hrw | I need to buy REALLY good powered hub |
| 10:16.17 | hrw | now I have two neos connected to powered hub and only one is charging.. |
| 10:16.49 | roh | hrw connect them to different hubs ;) |
| 10:17.03 | hrw | roh: give me more space for it |
| 10:19.05 | roh | hrw theyre not big.. i have one here which yould fit 3 times in one cigarette pack |
| 10:19.40 | hrw | I know. but I lack space for them |
| 10:20.21 | hrw | I have big keyboard on desk, 20" lcd, 12" laptop, one speaker, two neos, usb hub, some developemt hardware... |
| 10:21.04 | LuitvD | get another desk then :P |
| 10:21.15 | hrw | LuitvD: first need another flat |
| 10:21.18 | LuitvD | I should get a second one too... |
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| 10:23.41 | [psy] | oh oh its mid may :P |
| 10:25.01 | [psy] | my motorola a780 is broken and i'm looking for a new gps enabled phone with linux |
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| 10:25.24 | [psy] | cant wait to get me one of these :) |
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| 10:28.56 | sparq | hrw: http://www.ikea.com/ ? |
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| 10:31.22 | hrw | sparq: I have limited space for desk |
| 10:34.29 | roh | hrw should i send you some stiky-tape for taping a 4x4cm usbhub into your cabling behind the 20"tft? ;) |
| 10:34.53 | sparq | hrw: As do I. So I stuffed my office under my bed. Also, my LCD monitor has a powered hub built into it. |
| 10:35.43 | sparq | roh: Extensive googling seems to indicate that "Micro-SD" and "4GB" are mutually exclusive charataristics |
| 10:36.09 | sparq | at least, outside the realm of press releases |
| 10:38.31 | zecke_ | mickey|moving: hey! |
| 10:41.03 | hrw | roh: ;) |
| 10:41.07 | hrw | roh: but idea is nice |
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| 10:46.09 | ossman | sparq, you can preorder the 4GB cards |
| 10:46.15 | ossman | so they should be out soon |
| 10:46.15 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1956 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/hxd8-core.patch: * HXD8: fix IRQ constant for PCF50605 IRQ (Matt Hsu) |
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| 10:51.05 | sparq | ossman: There are a few people on eBay selling them, if you want to risk it. ^_^ |
| 10:51.45 | Plasma_GR | they have already preordered them and they are waiting for someone to buy then get the product and send it to the buyer |
| 10:52.50 | hrw | or want to gather money |
| 10:54.13 | Plasma_GR | this cant be safe as the other way |
| 10:55.11 | sparq | Plasma_GR: More likely, they will send you a 2GB card, and then insist that this is what you were bidding on all along. |
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| 11:13.41 | parag0n | HEY GUYS ITS MID MAY |
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| 11:22.31 | balrog-kun | oh noes |
| 11:22.51 | balrog-kun | i never remember the current date and when someone reminds me i'm like oh shit, all the things i had on my TODO planned to be done last month |
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| 11:30.30 | LuitvD[eating] | counter |
| 11:30.31 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 35%) P1: a day 12:14:51 (1.510 +-1.5 days) (1181;205) |
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| 11:30.36 | bmidgley | anyone here using mokomakefile? |
| 11:30.47 | LuitvD[eating] | long time ago |
| 11:31.30 | bmidgley | make setup never succeeds... 10k of 19k "certs in" |
| 11:31.34 | bmidgley | then mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openembedded.org, disconnecting |
| 11:31.59 | roh | bmidgley oh.. how fast is your internet? |
| 11:32.23 | bmidgley | well it should be bursting to 4Mbps |
| 11:33.01 | bmidgley | but it has to start over on the next attempt |
| 11:33.11 | bmidgley | it's going to get all 19k or nothing |
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| 11:36.07 | jeddy3_ | bmidgley, just look in the makefile and manually do the mtn pull part and co part, skipping the parts that download and unpack the database snapshot |
| 11:36.47 | jeddy3_ | after that you could touch the build/mtn-file (don't remember what it's called) |
| 11:37.05 | LuitvD | I wonder how many Microsoft patents Openmoko violates :D |
| 11:37.41 | bmidgley | does it use subpixel font rendering? |
| 11:38.17 | LuitvD | think it does... actually |
| 11:38.52 | LuitvD | the kernel already does 42 patents |
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| 11:39.31 | jeddy3_ | bmidgley, the Makefile is a little crude...if it has done the complete mtn part it skips it, but if something fails somewhere in the middle of it...it whipes all files and start all over, makes no consideration about that mtn pull takes several hours :P |
| 11:39.43 | mjr | IMAO at 280 dpi the subpixel stuff might as well be disabled :] |
| 11:40.21 | LuitvD | mjr: what's wrong with a little bit of overkill? :P |
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| 11:40.55 | LuitvD | I wonder how many DPI the human eye can scan at 50cm distance :P |
| 11:41.38 | mjr | true though that the good thing about overkill is that it works ; |
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| 11:44.11 | LuitvD | damn microsoft is being a bitch... |
| 11:44.24 | mjr | one supposes that sp rendering eats some extra cycles and therefore power though |
| 11:45.01 | LuitvD | good thing about this is that you can disable it ;) |
| 11:45.12 | mjr | yeah |
| 11:45.23 | LuitvD | damn I hate Microsoft |
| 11:45.54 | LuitvD | they're simply showing a bad side of FOSS that isn't present, to keep their customers |
| 11:46.11 | mjr | and microsoft, well, they're just looking to be the next sco apparently |
| 11:46.20 | LuitvD | yeah, I think so |
| 11:46.51 | LuitvD | but they're simply lieing |
| 11:46.51 | LuitvD | err. lying |
| 11:46.51 | LuitvD | err... |
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| 11:47.10 | LuitvD | they're saying things that aren't true |
| 11:47.37 | mjr | "pay attention to these patents behind the curtain" |
| 11:47.45 | LuitvD | I sure hope many of Microsoft's clients will see that, and turn it down |
| 11:48.32 | LuitvD | it's like saying "you killed 235 people... but I'm not gonna say who and when" |
| 11:49.18 | LuitvD | it's just stupid |
| 11:49.38 | LuitvD | microsoft is just buying itself some time to make more money |
| 11:50.10 | XorA | I think its their last bid before software patents bite the dust |
| 11:50.21 | mjr | yeah |
| 11:50.24 | Hopscotch | they have to name the patents eventually |
| 11:50.37 | Hopscotch | until then we can just continue as if nothing happend |
| 11:50.37 | LuitvD | it's pure FUD indeed |
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| 11:51.50 | LuitvD | IMO it's quite an extraordinary number |
| 11:51.54 | XorA | just stay in .eu countries that ignore software patents |
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| 11:52.32 | LuitvD | nah, just don't pay any attention, that's the right thing to do |
| 11:53.30 | LuitvD | if these claims are an act of FUD, then it's just something to ignore |
| 11:54.13 | LuitvD | I bet less then 10 of those patent claims will stand after they named each individual patent that is infringed |
| 11:55.11 | LuitvD | and I'm sure the open source software will simply discard any features that violate any MS patents |
| 11:55.44 | LuitvD | or rewrite/reproduce it in a way that doesn't violate the terms |
| 11:56.21 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: Request for an EABI agpsd package and/or binary |
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| 12:00.10 | LuitvD | hi |
| 12:00.38 | arw | :) |
| 12:01.21 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: Harald Welte <laforge at openmoko.org> Re: RFC: machine customized ixp4xx NPE firmware |
| 12:02.38 | aloril2 | parag0n, don-o: upper limit for counter has never gone to zero yet ;-) |
| 12:02.53 | aloril2 | (for P1) |
| 12:02.55 | LuitvD | counter? |
| 12:02.55 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 35%) source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a day 11:58:38 (1.499 +-1.5 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-15); 4 months (123.998 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (1182;205) |
| 12:03.03 | LuitvD | now it has |
| 12:03.04 | LuitvD | :D |
| 12:04.13 | LuitvD | aloril2: so this means the guess is that it can be released between right now, and 3 days from now? |
| 12:04.31 | SpeedEvil | The counter, it knows nuffink! |
| 12:04.38 | LuitvD | :P |
| 12:04.43 | CM | LuitvD: I think behdad or some other text rendering guy said that after 300dpi most people can't see the pixels |
| 12:05.04 | aloril2 | LuitvD nope, upper limit for P1 is 3 days away |
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| 12:05.27 | LuitvD | so it WILL be released within 3days? or is that still only the guess? |
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| 12:06.04 | LuitvD | SpeedEvil: we should have a counter that counts the times the counter has counted the wrong way |
| 12:06.06 | SpeedEvil | Guess. |
| 12:06.16 | SpeedEvil | There has been no announcement. |
| 12:06.16 | CM | roh: Thanks, and keep up the good work! :) |
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| 12:10.57 | aloril2 | LuitvD: 3 days without announcement would mean that upper limit for counter would have been exceeded for first time |
| 12:11.17 | LuitvD | hehehe |
| 12:11.37 | LuitvD | still doesn't say a thing does it? the upper limit has been adjusted countless times too... |
| 12:11.50 | aloril2 | counter has been roughly as often wrong as there has been delays |
| 12:13.01 | SpeedEvil | To recast the debate - has the counter ever been right? |
| 12:13.48 | parag0n | we wont know that until theres a release announcement |
| 12:13.56 | aloril2 | yes, about P0 and announcement (well almost for later one) |
| 12:14.13 | parag0n | if its within the next 3 days, then its been right since the last announcement |
| 12:14.24 | parag0n | *since the last change |
| 12:14.55 | aloril2 | also I have now 'split' counter now to pieces: one of those is bound to be right (see web page) ;-) |
| 12:15.04 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1957 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-core.patch: * add GSM Modem wakeup IRQ handler |
| 12:15.21 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List]] |
| 12:15.46 | aloril2 | currently assigning 35% probability for next 3 days, which of course is just guess |
| 12:16.57 | SpeedEvil | So it's been right for what - 1% of the time? :) |
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| 12:22.02 | aloril2 | yeah, reflects unexcepted delays :-( |
| 12:23.02 | aloril2 | if there is delay until next year, then current guess is 97% wrong ;-) |
| 12:23.17 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1958 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-power_control.patch: add power_vdd_core_1v5 as temporary kludge to support broken old GLL with wrong syfs filename |
| 12:32.18 | XorA | yay, minimo on the Neo |
| 12:32.45 | LuitvD | minimo? |
| 12:33.01 | LuitvD | mo >> mozilla? |
| 12:33.21 | LuitvD | thought minimo was windows-ce |
| 12:33.23 | XorA | runs pretty fast |
| 12:33.28 | LuitvD | err, win mobile |
| 12:33.33 | XorA | LuitvD: well then you thought wrong :-D |
| 12:33.55 | LuitvD | pretty nice :) |
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| 12:44.42 | koen | XorA: 128MB ram makes mozilla products happy |
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| 12:45.22 | LuitvD | :) |
| 12:45.52 | LuitvD | I wonder what the amount of ram on the ROKR E6 is |
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| 13:31.31 | PBeck | tag |
| 13:33.11 | hrw | guten |
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| 14:06.26 | aloril2 | SpeedEvil: I recall seeing pics of v4 at [[Neo1973_Hardware]] page |
| 14:07.19 | SpeedEvil | Ah - must have missed it, I've been polling [[special:recentchanges]] rather than looking at pages |
| 14:09.36 | LuitvD | so is that what was produced 5 days ago? |
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| 14:10.31 | SpeedEvil | Some Oh - right. |
| 14:10.39 | SpeedEvil | It's been a while. |
| 14:10.47 | SpeedEvil | With shielding |
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| 14:28.23 | pavelm | Hi, everyone |
| 14:28.33 | LuitvD | 'lo |
| 14:28.48 | pH5 | hi |
| 14:29.13 | LittleIdiot | counter |
| 14:29.13 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 35%) P1: a day 10:45:29 (1.448 +-1.4 days) (1183;205) |
| 14:29.16 | Stephmw | howdy |
| 14:29.36 | pavelm | I just noticed there are new images in ../tmp/deploy; time to update my phase 0. |
| 14:29.37 | LuitvD | hi |
| 14:29.37 | LittleIdiot | *sigh* |
| 14:36.49 | balrog-kun | there are new images roughly every 24h :) |
| 14:37.40 | pavelm | balrog: where? I see may-01, and then may-14. |
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| 14:37.53 | pavelm | I hope to get voice calls to work... |
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| 14:38.15 | kslater | wow |
| 14:38.19 | balrog-kun | pavelm: oh, someone's computer must have had problems |
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| 14:38.57 | XorA | voice calls is easy |
| 14:39.05 | nnpiggy | pavelm, Did you have difficulty getting a voice call to work? |
| 14:39.30 | pavelm | balrog: Ok, I wish them good luck with compilation server :-). |
| 14:39.38 | pavelm | nnpiggy: It did not work in may-01 version. |
| 14:39.59 | pavelm | xora: voice is easy, data is easy... so what reemains, GPS? |
| 14:40.04 | nnpiggy | Ah. I haven't loaded that yet--I'm still playing with the image that came with my P1. |
| 14:40.05 | pavelm | Anyway... |
| 14:40.19 | pavelm | I believe openmoko's UI is misdesigned. |
| 14:40.26 | pavelm | nnpiggy: Do voice calls work ok there? |
| 14:40.29 | nnpiggy | Yeah, GPS. Have you played with Werner's input hack yet? |
| 14:40.46 | nnpiggy | Yeah, I really had no trouble making voice calls with the original image. |
| 14:40.50 | pavelm | ..it has too small features to be controlled by finger. Is there way to talk to someone from UI team? |
| 14:40.59 | pavelm | nnpiggy: What is Werner's input hack? |
| 14:41.25 | pavelm | ... there's small bar at bottom, and small bar at top; both are too small to press with finger. |
| 14:41.30 | nnpiggy | It's a full alphanumeric input device on the touch screen. It's circular... |
| 14:41.47 | XorA | first voice call I ever made had massive feedback the deafened half the office :-) |
| 14:41.53 | nnpiggy | Yeah, I've noticed a weird mixture of stylus-only controls and finger-accessable controls. |
| 14:41.55 | XorA | then I remebered where the speakers are |
| 14:42.16 | pavelm | ...I believe we should merge them -- create one bigger bar, so that finger control is possible in system tray. |
| 14:42.22 | LuitvD | XorA: LOL |
| 14:42.28 | pavelm | nnpiggy: Do you have screenshots? |
| 14:42.39 | nnpiggy | Ah. The sound quality on the neo end was kind of dodgy--it sounded like they weren't using the noise cancelation microphone... |
| 14:42.40 | pavelm | I created my own input hack... with python, ran it over ssh :-). |
| 14:42.52 | pavelm | nnpiggy: ...or program to try? |
| 14:43.07 | LuitvD | XorA: that's the fun of having a speaker on the sides or the back of a phone :P |
| 14:43.10 | nnpiggy | Not yet, pavelm. I have a cute animation of unpacking the box which I should have posted by Thursday. |
| 14:43.42 | nnpiggy | Oh. Hang on, pavelm. I'll find Werner's code... |
| 14:43.48 | LuitvD | XorA: GIMME ONE ... :| |
| 14:44.04 | LuitvD | XorA: they're not all yours are they? |
| 14:44.31 | XorA | LuitvD: no, 2 technically belong to FIC |
| 14:44.53 | LuitvD | DAMN I want one too :P |
| 14:45.06 | XorA | LuitvD: a few more days Im sure |
| 14:45.06 | LuitvD | but I want a MOTOROKR E6 too :P |
| 14:45.26 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1959 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:45.26 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-message-dialog.c: (moko_message_dialog_map): Check for |
| 14:45.27 | CIA-24 | openmoko: NULL before using g_object_unref(), as the inbuilt assertion is not |
| 14:45.27 | CIA-24 | openmoko: available in openembedded. |
| 14:45.27 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-stock.c: |
| 14:45.27 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-stock.h: |
| 14:45.31 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Add two more stock items |
| 14:45.51 | nnpiggy | http://www.almesberger.net/misc/openmoko/inwheel-1.tar.gz |
| 14:45.52 | pH5 | XorA: YES! |
| 14:46.06 | LuitvD | the ROKR E6 runs linux already... and if that distro doesn't like me (or the other way around) I'll try to hack a new kernel on it to run moko on it :) |
| 14:46.10 | letoams | what's the current kernel? |
| 14:46.10 | aloril | letoams: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 14:46.30 | letoams | hehe |
| 14:46.37 | letoams | I'm an oldie here! |
| 14:46.42 | letoams | bastard bot :P |
| 14:46.44 | LuitvD | letoams: on FIC Neo or Moto ROKR E6? |
| 14:46.52 | letoams | fic |
| 14:46.58 | letoams | screw hacking phones. I'm tired of it |
| 14:47.02 | LuitvD | lol |
| 14:47.06 | letoams | anyone wants to buy my parawireless :) |
| 14:47.22 | koen | LuitvD: motorola phones and "runs linux already" is crap |
| 14:47.37 | LuitvD | koen: I know that :P |
| 14:47.41 | letoams | i just dont want to waste any more time on stupid vendors |
| 14:47.47 | koen | motorola didn't even release the source for the kernel on the e6 |
| 14:47.52 | LuitvD | koen: but I think I'll actually like that OS for the time being |
| 14:47.56 | letoams | I'd rather invest it to make things like crypto completely integrated in openmoko |
| 14:48.28 | LuitvD | and when it's starting to get annoying, I'll try to switch to a newer kernel |
| 14:48.30 | letoams | so what's the current state of mokomakefile ? |
| 14:48.41 | letoams | can i wget it on a i686 and finish a build now? :) |
| 14:49.06 | LuitvD | look at the mokomakefile page on the wiki letoams ;) |
| 14:49.15 | alp | what's with the anti-dash propaganda at http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEandYourDistro? |
| 14:49.23 | letoams | that will just say "it works like sliced bread" :P |
| 14:49.40 | alp | it would be better to just say "our shell scripts are broken, please downgrade your shell" than make up some kind of argument |
| 14:50.08 | balrog-kun | why broken? |
| 14:50.14 | hrw | alp: tell it to software authors which hardcode bashisms in their scripts and then use /bin/sh on them |
| 14:50.36 | koen | e.g. perl |
| 14:50.38 | alp | hrw: yeah, the page links to a troll article though |
| 14:51.04 | koen | anyway, it's a wiki |
| 14:51.11 | alp | koen: good point |
| 14:51.24 | hrw | koen: perl we have patched now iirc |
| 14:51.55 | koen | 5.8.8 is supposed to fix the bashisms |
| 14:52.13 | koen | gcc and/or binutils also have a bashism somewhere |
| 14:52.18 | koen | the dread -Qy problem |
| 14:52.24 | koen | dreaded* |
| 14:52.44 | alp | this is the bit that's lame: "Dash is a light-weight shell (read as limited functionality - see also: <nowiki> http://fragglet.livejournal.com/9110.html </nowiki>" |
| 14:53.05 | hrw | alp: it is wiki - feel free to fix? |
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| 14:53.14 | alp | hrw: i just did |
| 14:53.54 | nnpiggy | Has anybody else shot themselves in the eye with the laser pen? :-) |
| 14:53.57 | pavelm | nnpiggy: Hmm, it will compile here, but segfault because of missing dependencies. |
| 14:54.37 | pH5 | lol. wasn't there somebody on the list some time ago who complained that the laser pen was too dangerous? |
| 14:54.49 | mjr | yeah |
| 14:54.59 | nnpiggy | I haven't played with it yet pavelm--my home RAID array is giving me grief due to a controler driver with bitrot, so my OpenMoko play has been kind of limited so far... |
| 14:54.59 | LuitvD | hehehh |
| 14:55.45 | nnpiggy | I don't know how dangerous it actually is, but I had not realized that I had the habit of LOOKING at my pens when I pull them from my shirt pocket... |
| 14:56.01 | pavelm | nnpiggy: I do not believe it is dangerous. |
| 14:56.15 | pavelm | ...but not willing to shoot myself to prove it :-) |
| 14:56.34 | LuitvD | I am :P |
| 14:56.38 | nnpiggy | But it is somewhat painful. I wonder around for 20 minutes with a green dot on my left FOV. |
| 14:56.49 | nnpiggy | wander that is (not wonder) |
| 14:57.07 | LuitvD | I've stared in multiple low-mW laser pointers, with no damage, not even temporary |
| 14:57.10 | koen | shine the laser on your lcd and camera lens |
| 14:58.25 | nnpiggy | There's no doubt that the laser pen is the biggest hit in the box with my kids (at least so far)... |
| 14:58.49 | SuN | They'll make fine construction workers ;) |
| 14:59.39 | LuitvD | I think I have somewhat insensitive eyes, coz' I can look at the sun directly too... |
| 14:59.53 | SuN | Hm, I'd be careful with that. |
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| 15:00.16 | SuN | Because, eventually, they'll become _very_ insensitive if you keep doing that :D |
| 15:00.22 | nnpiggy | I was also amused at the list of applications they asked for: firefox, pingus, FOTAQ, and gimp.... |
| 15:00.54 | LuitvD | SuN: so I can't look at you anymore? :( |
| 15:01.11 | nnpiggy | Not recommended LuitvD. The damage is cumulative. |
| 15:01.29 | LuitvD | nah, I've insensitive eyes, with incredible level of detail (since I've got my glasses) |
| 15:01.40 | LuitvD | my dad has that too :P |
| 15:01.57 | LuitvD | s/I've/I've got/ |
| 15:02.03 | SuN | Is your dad Stevie Wonder? |
| 15:02.14 | LuitvD | lol, possibly |
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| 15:06.07 | SpeedEvil | Glancing blows from 5mW or under lasers don't really do damage. |
| 15:06.21 | SpeedEvil | Staring into the beam for long periods is a bad idea. |
| 15:06.42 | LuitvD | staring into <mW is quite allright actually... |
| 15:06.54 | LuitvD | s/</<2/ |
| 15:06.59 | SpeedEvil | And it's also safe - from a thermal damage - point of view to cameras |
| 15:07.05 | LuitvD | 5mW can do some damage |
| 15:07.31 | LuitvD | the sun does more damage then <2mW lasers |
| 15:09.02 | SpeedEvil | A 5um spot on a silicon chip from a laser pointer only heats it by a couple of C |
| 15:09.32 | LuitvD | nice |
| 15:09.49 | SpeedEvil | Silicon is quite conductive on that scale. |
| 15:09.56 | SpeedEvil | Even though the absolute intensity is huge. |
| 15:10.26 | LuitvD | 5 square µM isn't much |
| 15:10.30 | LuitvD | µm |
| 15:11.47 | LuitvD | is that the projected spot of a laser beam when it's in-focus? |
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| 15:15.25 | pavelm | tried may-14 version, and no, phone does not work :-( |
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| 15:17.41 | pavelm | ...any news about GPS? |
| 15:17.46 | LuitvD | I'm gone.... preparing for my dutch and maths exams tomorrow |
| 15:17.53 | LuitvD | bye y'all |
| 15:18.28 | SuN | Good luck |
| 15:18.42 | LuitvD | thanks :) won't need it though |
| 15:18.58 | SuN | Hah, self-confident? |
| 15:19.06 | SuN | VWO? |
| 15:19.06 | LuitvD | I only need a 4 out of 10 :P |
| 15:19.11 | LuitvD | yeehaa |
| 15:19.12 | SuN | Ahh, nice. |
| 15:19.20 | LuitvD | yes, VWO |
| 15:19.22 | SuN | Always nice to start your exams with those odds. |
| 15:19.23 | LuitvD | and it sucks |
| 15:19.28 | SuN | I know :) |
| 15:19.47 | LuitvD | I can even get a 1/10 for one class... |
| 15:19.55 | LuitvD | so that my average is 4/10 :P |
| 15:19.58 | SuN | Although I found the exams pretty easy compared to the stuff our school put us through. |
| 15:21.43 | LuitvD | I don't know, haven't had my exams yet |
| 15:21.43 | SuN | :D |
| 15:21.43 | LuitvD | my first two tomorrow |
| 15:21.43 | LuitvD | and then english tuesday |
| 15:21.44 | SuN | Well that depends on your school, our school made the pre-exams fairly hard so you're prepared pretty well. |
| 15:21.45 | LuitvD | and then nothing for a week |
| 15:21.45 | SuN | Yeah, it's like that. My exams were pretty relaxed :D |
| 15:21.46 | LuitvD | did you do VWO old style, or new? |
| 15:21.46 | SuN | Better than a normal week. |
| 15:21.46 | SuN | Yep, last year old style. |
| 15:21.46 | LuitvD | lol |
| 15:21.47 | LuitvD | which classes? |
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| 15:22.06 | SuN | Economics, physics, English/German/Dutch, history, math (a). |
| 15:22.24 | LuitvD | eww ;) |
| 15:22.29 | LuitvD | yuck |
| 15:22.30 | SuN | Sort of a half-beta program. |
| 15:22.42 | SuN | ALL of them? Heh |
| 15:22.50 | LuitvD | yuck about economics and history, not physics |
| 15:23.19 | LuitvD | I've got N&T (Physics, Chemistry and Maths) |
| 15:23.19 | SuN | I don't know, both of those have had a good influence on the way I perceive society :D |
| 15:23.54 | LuitvD | and Dutch, a bit of german, bit of french, bit of history, and English (which everybody has got) |
| 15:24.09 | SuN | I didn't care much for chemistry and maths at the time (still don't really do). |
| 15:24.25 | SuN | Oh yeah, the 1 and 2 variants. Weird system. |
| 15:24.42 | LuitvD | I just chose the profile with the least history, geography or economics :p |
| 15:25.09 | LuitvD | not really "1 and 2" |
| 15:25.17 | LuitvD | it's 1 or 1,2 actually |
| 15:25.21 | SuN | I would have liked geography but they made you write lots of papers, etc. so I didn't choose that. |
| 15:25.43 | LuitvD | I just chose what was easy for me |
| 15:25.52 | LuitvD | never learnt for those classes |
| 15:25.52 | SuN | Hm, they should have called it "German" and "German Lite" or something. |
| 15:26.11 | LuitvD | and now i've got averages of 7 or more on each class |
| 15:26.17 | SuN | Yeah, just take your BINAS and figure it out on the exam, heh. |
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| 15:26.36 | LuitvD | don't need my BINAS until 2 weeks from now |
| 15:26.43 | SuN | Oh that's right, you can use programmable scientific calculators as well. |
| 15:26.58 | LuitvD | yeah :) that too |
| 15:27.30 | LuitvD | which is nice, if you actually can program them (which I really can, and only 1 or 2 other people in my class) |
| 15:27.37 | koen | then you go to university where calculators aren't allowed |
| 15:27.38 | SuN | Dude, back in the days... you actually had to do something ;D |
| 15:27.57 | LuitvD | koen: you're wrong twice there |
| 15:28.05 | SuN | Heh |
| 15:28.08 | koen | no, I'm not |
| 15:28.16 | koen | calculators aren't allowed here |
| 15:28.19 | LuitvD | koen: I won't go to univ, and I can use them in my study ;) |
| 15:28.33 | SuN | FIrstly, they're not calculators but pens, and secondly, they ARE allowed! |
| 15:28.51 | SuN | Did anyone get that? Heh |
| 15:29.06 | LuitvD | now I'm really gone :P |
| 15:29.15 | LuitvD | SuN: not really :P |
| 15:29.17 | koen | I had the luck of breaking my calculator in highschool, so I had to do without one a few months :) |
| 15:29.18 | LuitvD | explain |
| 15:29.22 | SuN | I thought you didn't have to learn? :D |
| 15:30.04 | SuN | Well... it's weird. But I was saying the "calculator" premise was wrong, so replaced it with something else, which consequently was allowed so the second part is invalid too. |
| 15:30.07 | SuN | Never... mind. |
| 15:30.50 | SuN | koen: you must have lost an awful amount of time,. |
| 15:31.08 | koen | actually not |
| 15:31.28 | koen | it's faster to draw sin(x) with a pencil than to wait on the calculator to do it |
| 15:31.46 | SuN | Oh, graphical calc. |
| 15:32.03 | koen | yes |
| 15:32.04 | SuN | Back in the days :) we had to manually calculate points along the curve. |
| 15:32.08 | koen | ti-83 |
| 15:33.50 | SuN | The only thing I was allowed to use was a TI-30XS. |
| 15:34.23 | koen | fx82-super fraction |
| 15:34.29 | koen | that one rocked |
| 15:37.38 | pavelm | Our GPS friends write quality software :-(. |
| 15:37.39 | pavelm | root@fic-gta01:~/gps$ ./gllin |
| 15:37.39 | pavelm | *** glibc detected *** ./gllin: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x001ca190 *** |
| 15:39.41 | pavelm | Plus, they expect different /sys layout than the one currently present :-( |
| 15:40.55 | hrw | pavelm: hi |
| 15:42.19 | roh | pavelm take a look at commit #1958 ;) |
| 15:42.43 | SuN | Heh, for some reason only the weird people had Casios. |
| 15:43.04 | SuN | Not the geeks or anything, just the... weird people. |
| 15:43.04 | pH5 | I had one |
| 15:43.10 | SuN | Heh, sorry. |
| 15:43.12 | pavelm | Hi, hrw. |
| 15:43.14 | pH5 | :) |
| 15:43.19 | pavelm | Are you the one doing ui design for openmoko? |
| 15:43.40 | mjr | I think I had one too :] |
| 15:43.45 | pH5 | pavelm: I have that sysfs layout on the p1, but it's different on p0 |
| 15:44.34 | pavelm | ph5: I may be wrong. It seems to hit the right files eventually. |
| 15:44.54 | pavelm | roh: Sorry, my svn-fu is not strong enough. What is commit 1958? |
| 15:45.08 | pavelm | roh:... aha, that's one release back. |
| 15:45.21 | pavelm | roh: That probably means I need _very new_ kernel for gllin to work, right? |
| 15:45.44 | roh | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/commitlog/2007-May/001720.html |
| 15:46.25 | roh | i dunno what gllin is and where its from but there was a patch to fix the gl stuff tapping the wrong sysfs regs today.. thats all i'm saying |
| 15:46.31 | roh | ;) |
| 15:46.59 | pavelm | roh: Aha, yes, that's what I was seeing. I guess I can just edit the binary? |
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| 15:47.42 | roh | pavelm ofcourse ;) since the right path is shorter... just don't forget the 0x0 at the end ;) |
| 15:47.42 | pH5 | pavelm: yeh, that should work. |
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| 15:58.11 | pavelm | ph5: I did hand editing, but it still behaves as it did before :-( |
| 15:59.20 | SpeedEvil | chroot + ln |
| 15:59.25 | SpeedEvil | job done |
| 15:59.48 | pH5 | pavelm: it still tries to open the wrong sysfs file? |
| 16:00.01 | pavelm | ...it opens all the right sysfs files, but still does not seem to work. |
| 16:00.14 | pH5 | ah ok, that's what I've observed on my p0, too :( |
| 16:01.09 | pavelm | it ends with |
| 16:01.11 | pavelm | root@fic-gta01:~$ ./gllin-new -low_debug cold -np |
| 16:01.11 | pavelm | Stack size 8864 bytes (9 KB) |
| 16:01.11 | pavelm | root@fic-gta01:~$ |
| 16:01.57 | pH5 | pavelm: rm /tmp/nmea* |
| 16:02.48 | pH5 | I always run ./gllin -i and attach strace on a second screen. |
| 16:03.41 | pavelm | Hmm, does this mean it will try to connect to the web? |
| 16:03.41 | pavelm | -g <URL> glsupl1.glpals.com |
| 16:04.11 | pavelm | Hehe. |
| 16:04.14 | pavelm | Command: 00:37:15: handle = 1 - Start processing single shot request |
| 16:04.14 | pavelm | Fatal error with GPS HARDWARE |
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| 16:04.20 | pavelm | ..should I move it closer to the window? |
| 16:04.41 | TRIsoft | gtg, cu |
| 16:04.46 | pH5 | pavelm: only with assisted/based functionality turned on, there are parameters for that. |
| 16:04.52 | roh | pavelm the web stuff afaik is for getting the agps data to get a faster lock. but it should work completely without web acces... the it just takes longer for the initial fix |
| 16:05.39 | pH5 | roh: right, depending on how good your reception is. indoors it doesn't download LTO data at all here. |
| 16:06.34 | roh | yep. i've never tried our gps, but i know from old sirf3 stff that it even works bad near windows when you don't have a free sky |
| 16:06.40 | pH5 | I think the Fatal error happens when it times out without getting an answer from the chip. |
| 16:07.15 | SpeedEvil | Remember, the antenna is opposite to the hole |
| 16:07.25 | SpeedEvil | it couldn't hurt to prop it up with the lanyard hole down |
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| 16:08.17 | roh | ah.. and try switching off bluetooth on bv3 .. since then the antenna for bt was located directly behind the gps one |
| 16:08.29 | pavelm | ..I do not think it communicates with gps chip at all :-( |
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| 16:09.33 | pavelm | ...yep, it reads single byte from /dev/ttysac1 |
| 16:10.28 | roh | pavelm try changing all sysfs calls to e.g. /tmp dummys and switch the gps on by yourself. propably the gl guys ignored that out kernel keeps track of the power-on/off sequencing itself and does not need any complicated userspace calls for that |
| 16:12.12 | pavelm | roh: So what is enough to power the gps up? |
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| 16:13.09 | roh | there should be one sysfs entry for it which you need.. i think its already documented in the wiki.. mompls |
| 16:14.07 | pH5 | it should be "echo 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gps.0/power_sequence" |
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| 16:16.21 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 16:16.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1960 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/src/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:16.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * openmoko-dialer/src/dialer-window-dialer.c: |
| 16:16.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * openmoko-dialer/src/dialer-window-incoming.c: |
| 16:16.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * openmoko-dialer/src/dialer-callbacks-connection.c: |
| 16:16.30 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * openmoko-dialer/src/dialer-window-incoming.h: |
| 16:16.31 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * openmoko-dialer/src/dialer-callbacks-connection.h: |
| 16:16.34 | pH5 | but it doesn't work here. |
| 16:16.35 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * openmoko-dialer/src/dialer-main.c: |
| 16:16.50 | roh | pH5 try power_on ;)in that location |
| 16:17.11 | roh | like on gsm |
| 16:17.30 | pH5 | if I replicate the gllin sequence (as in linuxtogo.org/~ph5/tmp/hhtest.c), it works on the Bv4, but not on the Bv3 |
| 16:17.56 | pH5 | there is no power_on in there, at least in the 2.6.20.7-moko8 kernel |
| 16:18.03 | pavelm | ph5: could you link your c-file from "hammerhead protocol" wifi entry? |
| 16:18.22 | pavelm | I do have pwron here. |
| 16:18.22 | pavelm | I'll have to go, soon. |
| 16:18.22 | roh | aaah.. bv3 ... that i do not know if it ever was working |
| 16:18.30 | pH5 | pavelm: pwron is only one of the needed pins |
| 16:18.45 | roh | and i dunno if much work will go in there at all. |
| 16:18.48 | pavelm | ron: aha, too bad. Are there differences between bv3 and bv4? |
| 16:18.56 | pavelm | ron .. in gps area? |
| 16:19.13 | pavelm | hopefully bv4 arrives soon. |
| 16:19.29 | roh | a lot of internal powerlogic changes. just look at the pmu code .. propably you can figure it out, but i cannot help much there due to differen reasons |
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| 16:20.43 | pavelm | ron: Yeah, I see you have to care about the future :-) |
| 16:22.06 | roh | we will take care to support and keep support on sold devices, but i do know that propably all support for intermediate developer models will be dropped at some point where it makes sense to keep the level of needed code differentiation down |
| 16:22.54 | roh | nobody wants to read an ifdef hell anyways |
| 16:25.46 | pH5 | what I'd really like to know is whether GPS ever worked on a Bv3. maybe it isn't even connected correctly. |
| 16:27.42 | roh | it worked afaik. but i think not with that specific binary |
| 16:29.17 | buz | real econ, not business |
| 16:30.07 | LaF0rge | ph5: yes, it was working even in Bv2, or v4 before that. just every revision with different power sources and thus power sequencing requirements |
| 16:30.33 | LaF0rge | ph5: just look at the power management code in the kernel :( |
| 16:30.45 | LaF0rge | and now neither roh nor myself will spend any further time on this |
| 16:30.52 | pH5 | roh, LaF0rge : ok, thanks. so we just have to figure out the correct sequence? |
| 16:30.56 | roh | buz *hush* we are.. but with china airlines thats ok for people with not that long feet ;) */hust* |
| 16:31.19 | woglinde | hm are there serval suspend mode |
| 16:31.33 | buz | ? |
| 16:31.42 | LaF0rge | you guys do whatever you want, we do our job. |
| 16:31.45 | woglinde | apm -s dont disable the screen complete |
| 16:32.26 | roh | n8 guys.. have to sleep now |
| 16:32.32 | woglinde | he okay |
| 16:32.33 | pH5 | night |
| 16:32.36 | woglinde | nite roh |
| 16:32.39 | Rince | night roh, sleep well |
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| 16:35.41 | homyx | hi *, FYI sean was sending a mail on the community list about delays |
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| 16:38.45 | buz | what do you mean by "was sending" |
| 16:40.57 | homyx | The mail received about 15minutes ago ... |
| 16:42.00 | buz | ah i found the mail |
| 16:42.36 | XorA | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005241.html |
| 16:42.39 | XorA | for everyoe else |
| 16:43.11 | XorA | aloril: counter update time :-) |
| 16:45.08 | LuitvD | ah great... not |
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| 16:45.54 | homyx | @XorA: nice next time I will do the same :) |
| 16:45.56 | mjr | *sigh* |
| 16:46.18 | mjr | well, at least we know now |
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| 16:46.34 | XorA | Sean has Murray Walker syndrome |
| 16:48.21 | buz | ~lart delays |
| 16:48.21 | apt | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that delays is stuck to the floor |
| 16:48.32 | buz | ouch, that was the wrong thing to do, apt |
| 16:48.59 | buz | now we wont ever get it |
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| 17:05.13 | Sufflope | counter? |
| 17:05.13 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 35%) source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a day 09:27:29 (1.394 +-1.4 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-15); 4 months (123.788 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (1184;205) |
| 17:05.30 | don-o | my greatest fear is to get a P1 then have it be discovered that a hardware defect prevents it from making calls or some other major defect that only new hardware can fix. |
| 17:06.00 | don-o | so i guess im saying its okay for the hardware platform to be slow in coming. |
| 17:06.17 | don-o | although i thought FIC would have enough money to make this happen more or less on time. |
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| 17:07.59 | don-o | part of the appeal of this phone, for me, was to get one before the iPhone came out. |
| 17:08.16 | thomasg_gpm | does that really matter? |
| 17:08.32 | don-o | yes and no. i only have the money for one expensive phone |
| 17:08.51 | thomasg_gpm | the neo costs about 30% of the iphone -.- |
| 17:08.57 | don-o | true true :) |
| 17:09.13 | Vegar | don-o: they might have enough money, but do they have money to waste? |
| 17:09.39 | don-o | Vegar: im not very familiar with the issues of fab production runs |
| 17:10.28 | thomasg_gpm | well, the neo might be a tech-gadget for freaks and foss fans :) but I'm sure following versions based on open hardware and openmoko will get a success |
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| 17:11.09 | crackfiend | One thing I'd like to do is build a new, more compact casing in Solidworks... maybe output it on the SLA machine |
| 17:11.25 | crackfiend | I printed out the paper doll, and the thing is huge |
| 17:12.00 | crackfiend | I'll even post the Solidworks file... open source industrial design :D |
| 17:12.50 | don-o | crackfiend: awesome. photos of the output of the SLA would also be interesting |
| 17:13.04 | don-o | since i cant print my own. :( |
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| 17:13.30 | barmeier | hi |
| 17:13.37 | barmeier | counter |
| 17:13.38 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 35%) P1: a day 09:23:17 (1.391 +-1.4 days) (1185;205) |
| 17:14.40 | crackfiend | I asked the guys for the original 3d files, but I'll have to get out the calipers and measure this one out |
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| 17:23.57 | pjz | crackfiend: you have board sizes/configurations? |
| 17:24.13 | pjz | crackfiend: because I'd love to have a more compact Neo |
| 17:24.32 | pjz | ...not that my Nokia 6620 is exactly small, mind you. |
| 17:28.53 | crackfiend | No I don't |
| 17:29.16 | crackfiend | As soon as I get a neo in my hands, I'll be disassembling it, taking measurements |
| 17:29.34 | crackfiend | Or if somebody else has that info, it'd be greatly appreciated |
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| 17:31.51 | hrw | crackfiend: read wiki? |
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| 17:33.48 | crackfiend | hrw: where on the wiki? |
| 17:36.07 | hrw | wiki.openmoko.org |
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| 17:36.09 | crackfiend | hrw: hehe, yeah I got that part. ;) I didn't see anything there besides a few photos. I need precise measurements |
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| 18:11.26 | kiney_ | counter |
| 18:11.26 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 35%) P1: a day 08:54:23 (1.371 +-1.4 days) (1186;205) |
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| 18:19.14 | noidd | the neo isn't that big y'aal |
| 18:19.42 | buz | that depends i guess |
| 18:19.47 | buz | compared to my p900 it's ok i guess |
| 18:20.00 | buz | compared to a samsung ulta 5.9 probably not |
| 18:20.21 | pjz | well, sure, but case designs also mean we could get one CNC milled out of aluminum or something fun like that |
| 18:20.26 | _llll_ | the samsung runs an open operating system? |
| 18:20.41 | pjz | actually, I'd like a case with a flip-lid to cover/protect the screen |
| 18:20.58 | pjz | to avoid needing to put it in a bag before putting it in my pocket |
| 18:21.13 | buz | touchscreens are surprisingly resilient |
| 18:21.21 | buz | my p900 always lives unprotected in my pocket |
| 18:21.23 | pjz | well, sure |
| 18:21.27 | buz | did that for 3.5years now |
| 18:21.34 | buz | doesnt seem to mind it much |
| 18:21.35 | pjz | but no sense taking chances if it's possible to not do so |
| 18:22.50 | noidd | Well, I have one in my hands right now and it really doesnt feel that big |
| 18:23.11 | mjr | 'cause it isn't |
| 18:23.13 | noidd | mind you, the other phone I'm carrying (for work) is a blackberry |
| 18:23.20 | mjr | people just get caught up in the miniatyrization wave |
| 18:23.22 | buz | screen is a bit on the small side compared to the whole phone |
| 18:23.39 | noidd | mjr: I agree |
| 18:23.59 | mjr | buz, true. I'll live with it. |
| 18:24.12 | pjz | like I said, even aside from miniaturization, how about a design with an integral hinged flap? or one that will hold a stylus ? |
| 18:24.25 | buz | yeah bay for the stylus is baaaadly needed |
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| 18:26.44 | pjz | gcad3d looks like it could be useful |
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| 18:45.21 | aloril | (script) planet: Stefan Schmidt: OpenMoko LUG BS talk appointment shift http://www.datenfreihafen.org/~stefan/weblog//archives/2007/05/#e2007-05-15T20_20_29.txt |
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| 18:54.00 | antenagora | counter |
| 18:54.00 | aloril | http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=Neo1973_counter (probability guess: 35%) P1: a day 08:33:06 (1.356 +-1.4 days) (1187;205) |
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| 19:31.03 | aloril2 | counter_msg http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005241.html |
| 19:31.03 | aloril | aloril2 changed counter prefix message to http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005241.html |
| 19:32.38 | aloril2 | XorA: thanks (made blunder in modifying sean mail filter and thus didn't trigger (should be OK now)) |
| 19:50.41 | aloril2 | SpeedEvil: counter has been so far pretty accurate when you think about it as counter until next news ;-) |
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| 19:55.39 | loufoque | are the specs for Phase 1.5 out yet? |
| 20:00.06 | pjz | nope |
| 20:02.03 | pjz | counter |
| 20:02.03 | aloril | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005241.html P1: a week, 4 days 15:58:09 (11.665 +-5.0 days) (1188;205) |
| 20:04.21 | parag0n | oh, how i wish it'd hit 0 :'< |
| 20:06.09 | loufoque | P1 isn't even out yet? |
| 20:06.22 | loufoque | wasn't it supposed to be out in april? |
| 20:07.30 | loufoque | oh, there was yet another delay |
| 20:08.53 | Sufflope | the first estimate I got was end of february ;) |
| 20:10.19 | Magon | can someone tell me how to add files to quilt? |
| 20:10.35 | Magon | i have new dir full of files and i need to convert them to patches |
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| 20:46.11 | aloril | (script) planet: Marcin "hrw" Juszkiewicz: NSLU2 joined under-desk machines http://blog.haerwu.biz/2007/05/15/nslu2-joined-under-desk-machines/ |
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| 21:05.59 | SrRaven | 500$ for 4gb and 600$ for 8gb Iphone...that makes the neo1973 and openmoko even more attractive :O |
| 21:06.46 | LuitvD | SrRaven: those prices are tied to an expensive 2-year contract aren't they? :P |
| 21:07.16 | loufoque | SrRaven: Isn't the SD card given with the neo 1973 only 512 MB? That's quite far from 8 GB. |
| 21:07.30 | SpeedEvil | There are no 8G microSD cards |
| 21:07.40 | SrRaven | http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/05/14/att-iphone-not-to-be-pre-sold/ for more info on that |
| 21:08.04 | SrRaven | yeah but I just mean for a real touchscreen pda |
| 21:08.46 | CM | Interesting: http://butterfeet.org/?p=26 |
| 21:08.46 | CM | For simulating higher dpi on a normal monitor |
| 21:08.50 | loufoque | the iphone isn't just a phone or a pda |
| 21:08.53 | loufoque | it's an ipod |
| 21:08.57 | Bish | your projects sounds pretty interesting |
| 21:08.59 | loufoque | with phone capabilities |
| 21:09.22 | Bish | ;) i really like the idea of an opensource mobilephone |
| 21:09.29 | LuitvD | loufoque: it's a multitouch-video-ipod with phone capabilities |
| 21:09.54 | loufoque | your neo 1973 smartphone can act as a mp3 player though, but you'd better get a 2 GB microSD card then (which costs a lot) |
| 21:09.56 | LuitvD | though for the 'video'-being it lacks the amount of memory |
| 21:10.06 | LuitvD | what do you call 'a lot |
| 21:10.22 | SpeedEvil | Well. It's not that bad. |
| 21:10.44 | loufoque | $50 |
| 21:11.11 | LuitvD | CM: that's really interesting |
| 21:11.32 | LuitvD | CM: even looks nice on 320x240 (the resolution used in that example) |
| 21:11.54 | CM | LuitvD: Yes, and the Neo with Xoo is huge on a normal monitor |
| 21:12.07 | LuitvD | yeah :P |
| 21:12.11 | loufoque | I wonder if there are 4GB microSD cards |
| 21:12.25 | LuitvD | CM: with either Xoo or QEMU |
| 21:12.45 | SpeedEvil | IMO. 140kbit video, with 64kbit audio is quite adequate for pohone use. |
| 21:12.57 | LuitvD | CM: it's a nice hack |
| 21:13.34 | SpeedEvil | For around 11 hours on a gig |
| 21:13.38 | SpeedEvil | that's mpeg2 |
| 21:13.43 | LuitvD | gtg now |
| 21:13.46 | LuitvD | see ya |
| 21:16.26 | Bish | what will the neo1973 cost? |
| 21:16.26 | aloril | Bish: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 21:16.33 | Bish | cool xD |
| 21:16.37 | Bish | whata pimp-bot |
| 21:16.43 | CM | counter |
| 21:16.43 | aloril | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005241.html P1: a week, 4 days 14:43:29 (11.614 +-5.0 days) (1189;205) |
| 21:16.59 | SpeedEvil | $350 |
| 21:17.06 | SpeedEvil | 3 weeks or so |
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| 21:35.30 | XorA | counter |
| 21:35.30 | aloril | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-May/005241.html P1: a week, 4 days 14:24:43 (11.600 +-5.0 days) (1190;205) |
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| 21:50.23 | don-o | ah glad to see it got bumped out the standand two weeks. |
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| 22:03.01 | MacNorth | ;) |
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| 22:17.11 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] |
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| 22:35.55 | CoreDump|home | hi |
| 22:36.24 | xkr47 | hi :) |
| 22:36.29 | xkr47 | you joined nslu2 too :) |
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| 22:36.55 | xkr47 | oops no, you didn't |
| 22:36.59 | xkr47 | (ignore :) |
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| 22:46.30 | CoreDump|home | xkr47: actually, I did |
| 22:47.16 | xkr47 | well you didn't join, just say hello :) |
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| 22:48.58 | xkr47 | hi LaF0rge, how are things ? |
| 22:51.22 | CoreDump|home | right |
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| 22:58.01 | juri_ | is someone whos involved in the debian package of qemu hanging around these parts? |
| 22:58.02 | aloril | juri_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 22:58.20 | ossman | I don't suppose ben dooks hangs around in here? |
| 22:59.05 | stefan_schmidt | ossman: His nick is fluffs and he doesn't it seems. At least atm |
| 22:59.38 | ossman | ok, thanks |
| 22:59.52 | ossman | fluffs... almost sounds a bit dirty... |
| 22:59.57 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
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| 23:16.39 | pjz | hey stefan.. how's openezx coming? |
| 23:17.02 | stefan_schmidt | pjz: Slow progress, but progress. |
| 23:17.42 | pjz | stefan_schmidt: what's the best help a random dev can be? |
| 23:17.51 | stefan_schmidt | pjz: 10 minutes ago we found out that the E6 is pretty similar to E2 and A1200 and were able to boot a kernel with plain 2.6.21 plus one patch :) |
| 23:18.04 | stefan_schmidt | pjz: hmm, good question |
| 23:18.05 | pjz | I've got the hardware, but it's running brokenish firmeware |
| 23:18.12 | pjz | is there a way to reflash it from linux? |
| 23:18.13 | stefan_schmidt | pjz: What phone? |
| 23:18.17 | pjz | A780 |
| 23:19.45 | stefan_schmidt | ok, same here |
| 23:19.46 | stefan_schmidt | pjz: What do you mean with brokenish? |
| 23:19.46 | pjz | stefan_schmidt: well, I have (I think) the taiwan phone, no gps, no edge(?) so I tried to enable edge by putting on some chinese firmware and it works... less than well :) |
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| 23:20.08 | pjz | I forget what versions of the AP & BP stuff I put on |
| 23:21.19 | stefan_schmidt | pjz: Let me first tell some rules. |
| 23:21.48 | stefan_schmidt | pjz: We are not talking about flashing illegal obtained software on the phones |
| 23:22.30 | stefan_schmidt | pjz: We like to stay clean, no talk about such things like downloaded illegal firmware |
| 23:22.37 | pjz | sure |
| 23:22.48 | stefan_schmidt | pjz: Just the rules :) |
| 23:23.01 | pjz | I'd much rather run something open, I was just trying to get EDGE working :) |
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| 23:23.28 | pjz | lets move to #openezx |
| 23:23.28 | stefan_schmidt | pjz: yes |
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| 23:32.50 | admin_ | any idea if during the June ~6 distrobution, if it will come with wifi and upgraded things, if it will cost more then the $350 it is now? |
| 23:32.50 | aloril | P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K): http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-April/000012.html http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F (WiFi status for P1.5 will be known for sure when P1 becomes available and also what kind of discount for P1.5 is given for P1 buyers) |
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| 23:36.16 | MacNorthXP | heh, june 6th //may// be the date for phase 1 devices |
| 23:37.12 | pjz | counter |
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