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| 05:45.09 | Yogesh | Hello All, I have LCD panel Connected with SPI bus,When i have to configure the LCD driver I supposed to send the register number and then the value of the register [In Serial manner ].And there are two pins on the LCD driver 1) command /Data 2 ) read/write .So i assume that when configuring LCD panel , i First configure as command , write and then data , write . Can anyone pls correct me if i m wrong , or also Please tell me If i m corre |
| 05:45.10 | Yogesh | ct ? |
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| 07:09.11 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:24.56 | kelvin__ | morn' |
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| 07:28.18 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:43.11 | Zenton | hi all |
| 07:43.35 | Zenton | is it possible to buy already an openmoko phone? |
| 07:43.51 | hads | counter |
| 07:43.51 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week 16:16:15 (7.678 +-3.5 days) (1101;195) |
| 07:44.25 | hads | Zenton: That was for you. |
| 07:44.38 | Zenton | thanks hads :) |
| 07:45.29 | hads | hugo_nz: NZer I see. |
| 07:45.40 | hugo_nz | yup |
| 07:45.59 | hads | Where abouts are you from? |
| 07:47.15 | hugo_nz | NZ. I prefer to be vague online |
| 07:47.33 | hads | Fair enough. |
| 07:47.39 | hugo_nz | why do you ask? |
| 07:47.45 | hugo_nz | are you an NZer too? |
| 07:47.54 | hads | Yeah. Just being nosey :) |
| 07:48.11 | hads | I'm from Timaru. |
| 07:48.37 | hugo_nz | cool. you doing dev work on OpenMoko or just hanging out here? |
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| 07:49.10 | hads | Just hanging out presently, I'm interested in doing some at some stage. |
| 07:52.33 | hugo_nz | same. i'm waiting for the gen1.5 hardware, by which time presumably the software will be usable as a day-to-day phone. then I'll buy one and probably do some kernel hacking. haven't done any embedded linux stuff for a while and I'm missing it :) |
| 07:53.37 | hads | Yeah, similar here, I'm contemplating picking one up maybe Phase 1+ to have a play. I'm no kernel hacker though. |
| 07:54.53 | hugo_nz | well i'm no kernel hacker either (in so much as i don't work on the core kernel), but i've done work porting embedded linux to ARM boards before and as such, written a bunch of kernel drivers for hardware |
| 07:55.46 | hugo_nz | i'm interested in particular in working on open source navigation code for the GPS (to replace the current binary blob), and maybe on the power management stuff in the kernel |
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| 07:55.59 | kelvin__ | wow, I almost count as a NZer as well |
| 07:56.02 | hads | Cool, I'm just a general hack :) |
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| 08:01.28 | XorA | counter |
| 08:01.28 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week 15:58:38 (7.666 +-3.5 days) (1102;195) |
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| 08:02.59 | hads | kelvin__: Almost? |
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| 08:21.37 | aloril | (script) openmoko-community: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> Re: Input Method - Missing Buttongrip |
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| 09:04.01 | hrw | morning |
| 09:05.25 | TRIsoft | hrw: hi Marcin |
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| 09:54.21 | LuitvD | counter |
| 09:54.22 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week 14:05:44 (7.587 +-3.5 days) (1103;195) |
| 09:56.07 | CM | The first batch should be made this week.. Hope all goes well :) |
| 09:56.16 | LuitvD | err... what is it... a week and 14 hours, or 05-10? |
| 09:57.19 | CM | 05-10 to produce them, but ordering is later |
| 09:57.29 | CM | Then 05-20 for the second run |
| 09:58.13 | LuitvD | hmm |
| 09:58.34 | LuitvD | so P1 is here any day now |
| 09:59.28 | CM | Yes, LaF0rge said last friday that the first batch was being produced in the factory right now, iirc |
| 09:59.29 | thresh | so fucking nice. |
| 09:59.57 | LaF0rge | no, theyre _moving_ it into the factory |
| 09:59.57 | LuitvD | *waiting anxiously |
| 10:00.02 | LuitvD | heheh |
| 10:00.28 | CM | Ah, guess I didn't recall correctly then. Sorry |
| 10:01.53 | LuitvD | I wonder what the production run looks like :P |
| 10:04.06 | LuitvD | or even the production facility |
| 10:04.48 | kelvin__ | Where are is the production facility at? |
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| 10:21.20 | woglinde | counter |
| 10:21.21 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week 13:38:45 (7.569 +-3.5 days) (1104;195) |
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| 10:34.49 | barmeier | hi |
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| 10:39.04 | webjames | hey, i'm getting error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz after doing, make update-makfile, make update, make setup, make qemu |
| 10:39.17 | woglinde | no libz ? |
| 10:39.30 | woglinde | or zlib |
| 10:39.37 | webjames | i'll check thanks woglinde |
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| 10:41.31 | webjames | i'm on ubuntu i'm not sure what zlib would be called? |
| 10:41.39 | woglinde | same as on debian |
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| 10:42.00 | woglinde | zlib1g-dev |
| 10:45.21 | webjames | zlib*-dev doesn't find anything |
| 10:45.52 | webjames | found it in synaptic |
| 10:47.17 | woglinde | apt-cache search zlib ? |
| 10:47.37 | webjames | it's okay i've found it now, thank you |
| 10:49.06 | webjames | now i get: Splash needs 'pngtopnm' and 'ppmtorgb3' - make sure that they're in $PATH. |
| 10:49.26 | webjames | after running make update, make setup, then make qemu |
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| 10:50.08 | CM | kelvin__: The factory is in mainland China somewhere |
| 10:50.58 | woglinde | hehe |
| 10:51.11 | woglinde | dont know if ot works on unbuntu |
| 10:51.17 | kelvin__ | CM: Ah, thanks! |
| 10:51.24 | woglinde | there is a genius programm auto-apt |
| 10:51.28 | woglinde | foer debian |
| 10:51.34 | woglinde | apt-get install auto-apt |
| 10:51.41 | woglinde | auto-apt update |
| 10:51.45 | woglinde | than auto-apt run |
| 10:52.10 | woglinde | then type your favorite executable eg. pngtopnm |
| 10:52.17 | woglinde | and it will install the rigth packge |
| 10:52.19 | woglinde | or not |
| 10:52.33 | woglinde | if there isnt package which contains the programm |
| 10:52.38 | xkr47 | counter |
| 10:52.38 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week 13:07:28 (7.547 +-3.5 days) (1105;195) |
| 10:53.24 | LuitvD | hello xkr47 :P |
| 10:54.35 | xkr47 | hi! |
| 10:54.58 | LuitvD | also waiting for a P1 device? :P |
| 10:55.07 | LuitvD | nslu2? |
| 10:55.17 | woglinde | hehe |
| 10:55.17 | webjames | i'm waiting for phase 1+ |
| 10:55.32 | xkr47 | LuitvD, I guess I am waiting yeah |
| 10:55.33 | xkr47 | :) |
| 10:55.39 | webjames | woglinde: thanks i'm just trying what you said now |
| 10:56.06 | LuitvD | webjames: me too :P |
| 10:56.53 | webjames | out in june i think |
| 10:57.23 | LuitvD | perfect timing for my birthday actually :P |
| 10:57.47 | LuitvD | plenty time for me to get one by august 1st |
| 10:58.44 | xkr47 | openmoko temporarily had perfect timing for my birthday, but no longer :P |
| 10:59.06 | LuitvD | :P |
| 10:59.08 | xkr47 | LuitvD, nslu2 = linux machine with 8MB flash, 32MB ram, 2 usb ports and a 10/100 network interface |
| 10:59.29 | LuitvD | hmm, hadn't heard of it yet... |
| 10:59.43 | xkr47 | LuitvD, if you open it up and do some soldering you can get 3 more usb ports, a rs/232 serial port and a i2c port |
| 10:59.56 | xkr47 | it costs some $80 and is quite small |
| 11:00.37 | LuitvD | 80 dollars? ... what kind of proc does it have? |
| 11:03.49 | koen | ixp420 |
| 11:05.43 | LuitvD | hmm, can buy a nice full-blown computer for 40 euro's :P |
| 11:06.09 | webjames | turned out i needed netpbm |
| 11:07.56 | woglinde | webjames *g* |
| 11:08.36 | webjames | it's running now! yay! |
| 11:08.59 | woglinde | did auto-apt run? |
| 11:09.08 | LuitvD | i'd rather have this then an nslu2: http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t235/JiePieWie/DSC08314.jpg |
| 11:09.47 | webjames | yeah.. but it wanted to install so much stuff i, so i went on google and found that those two packages were part of the netpbm package, so i installed that |
| 11:10.01 | hrw | LuitvD: how big it is? |
| 11:10.17 | woglinde | debian has packages.debian.org for search |
| 11:10.22 | woglinde | dont know if ubuntu has the smae |
| 11:10.31 | hrw | packages.ubuntu.com |
| 11:10.45 | webjames | nice, i'll bookmark that |
| 11:10.47 | koen | http://packages.ubuntu.com/ |
| 11:10.47 | woglinde | thanks hrw |
| 11:10.55 | hrw | np |
| 11:11.20 | LuitvD | hrw: not sure... it's the neoware neostation 3000c anyways |
| 11:13.15 | LuitvD | 2x serial, 1x parallel, 2x usb |
| 11:13.23 | LuitvD | 10/100 network |
| 11:13.51 | LuitvD | and an amd geode processor instead of ARM |
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| 11:15.46 | hrw | LuitvD: http://www.ewayco.com/ |
| 11:16.24 | LuitvD | hrw: all way more expensive |
| 11:17.47 | hrw | LuitvD: I want SMALL machine ;) |
| 11:17.55 | LuitvD | :P |
| 11:18.24 | LuitvD | hrw: my ideal is budget... small is just some nice coincidence |
| 11:18.51 | webjames | thanks guy for the help! especially woglinde.. bye bye! |
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| 11:19.24 | hrw | I am more and more thinking about nfs server |
| 11:19.29 | koen | http://www.ewayco.com/0-embedded-systems-prod-pages/TX-tablet-pc.html seems quite nice |
| 11:20.56 | hrw | 800 USD |
| 11:21.34 | LuitvD | rather have a neo1793 for that amount of money :P |
| 11:21.44 | koen | that's like €0.10 with the current exchange rate |
| 11:21.49 | LuitvD | a neo + a budget laptop... |
| 11:22.22 | LuitvD | looks like Ubuntu making a run for the mobile market too... |
| 11:22.50 | koen | let's hope they are as clueless as the µbuntu dudes |
| 11:22.57 | LuitvD | :P |
| 11:23.07 | LuitvD | µbuntu? never heard of it |
| 11:23.09 | koen | "embedded linux is like normal linux but with only 100MB of storage" |
| 11:23.24 | hrw | ;D |
| 11:23.28 | LuitvD | lol |
| 11:23.34 | hrw | I can borrow them collie ;) |
| 11:23.55 | koen | I bet they gave up when they noticed everything needed a keyboard and mouse and they only have a touchscreen |
| 11:24.06 | LuitvD | and some buttons |
| 11:24.41 | koen | if you're lucky |
| 11:24.58 | LuitvD | come on... even the neo has two buttons :P |
| 11:25.41 | koen | I gave up trying to educate people after the "OMG!!!! e17 on ne0!!!!one!!one!!" discussion last month |
| 11:26.25 | LuitvD | hm? e17? |
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| 11:27.27 | LuitvD | guess I missed some things lately :P |
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| 11:41.37 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Development_resources]] [[Hammerhead_protocol]] |
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| 12:44.03 | Mukunda | Will it be possible to buy the Neo1973 in bulk at a cheaper rate? I and a friend are wanting to open up a hacker oriented shop in NZ... And well it'd be a great device to sell here... |
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| 12:45.05 | SpeedEvil | Probably you're going to have to wait at least till it's released for info. |
| 12:45.21 | Mukunda | Mm... Few more days then? |
| 12:45.25 | SpeedEvil | which will be at least several weeks probably for the first version. |
| 12:45.36 | SpeedEvil | Personally, I'd be surprised at a couple of weeks. |
| 12:45.40 | SpeedEvil | I may be wrong. |
| 12:46.19 | Mukunda | Oh.. So many dates, I've seen 10th of this month around a few places. |
| 12:47.00 | SpeedEvil | Well. |
| 12:47.14 | SpeedEvil | 10th of the month is the first production run of PCBs as I understand it. |
| 12:47.28 | SpeedEvil | But, PCBs are not what's slowing things down at the moment, it's screens. |
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| 12:47.39 | SpeedEvil | And there has been no announcement that the screen problems are resolved. |
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| 12:48.12 | DukeOfURL | What are the display problems? |
| 12:48.38 | DukeOfURL | availability? |
| 12:49.11 | SpeedEvil | Basically. |
| 12:49.25 | SpeedEvil | The manufacturer is having problems making them. |
| 12:49.26 | Mukunda | Ah yeah, that was another question I have.. Screens and dead pixel policy... Anything known about that? |
| 12:49.38 | SpeedEvil | Dunno. |
| 12:52.25 | SpeedEvil | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-April/000012.html |
| 12:52.32 | SpeedEvil | Acxtually, it's ratehr ambiguous. |
| 12:52.44 | SpeedEvil | It may be referring to complete units being produced, or just PCBs. |
| 12:52.59 | SpeedEvil | And they say they have screens on hand - but not if it's 50 or 5000. |
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| 12:54.41 | aloril | if they mean complete units, then it could be quite soon? |
| 12:55.10 | SpeedEvil | Possibly. |
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| 12:56.00 | SpeedEvil | May 10, say a day for the run, to may 11, a couple of days testing them, a day packing, and then a week shipping |
| 12:56.16 | Mukunda | Geez, the neo1973 has 128 meg of ram, is that right? |
| 12:56.23 | DukeOfURL | Optimist! |
| 12:56.26 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 12:56.26 | aloril | 10th day so far seems to hold, Friday it was said that production is being moved to China |
| 12:57.14 | SpeedEvil | DukeOfURL: that'd pretty much be soonest possible, say late may. |
| 12:57.24 | Mukunda | Geez... That's a lot of ram... Here I was thinking it'd teach me how to write good effecient apps that are careful with memory, because of constraints.. But it's got 128MB... man, that's huge. |
| 12:57.25 | aloril | and in June actual production starts |
| 12:57.29 | DukeOfURL | right |
| 12:57.29 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't get that from it. |
| 12:58.39 | aloril | Mukunda: well, CPU is limited still ;-) |
| 12:59.24 | greghunt | 128 meg for the commercial one, or the development ones as well? |
| 12:59.38 | hrw | greghunt: its same hardware |
| 12:59.45 | hrw | my phase0 neo has 128M ram |
| 12:59.50 | greghunt | i thought the devel ones only had 64megs :/ |
| 13:00.15 | XorA | greghunt: that sounds like hearsay |
| 13:00.16 | hrw | greghunt: 64M flash |
| 13:00.28 | greghunt | ah maybe that's were I was confused |
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| 13:00.52 | Mukunda | hrw: ah you have one? Any chance you have any videos of it? I'm actually wondering how many lines of text the screen could display (yes I know, depends on font size blah blah). |
| 13:01.16 | SpeedEvil | The screen isn't the problem. |
| 13:01.22 | SpeedEvil | The screen can do 80*25 |
| 13:01.29 | SpeedEvil | It's your eyes. |
| 13:01.51 | SpeedEvil | Obtain a bit of paper and a ruler. |
| 13:01.58 | Mukunda | Yeah, well taht's why a photo/video would be cool. |
| 13:02.02 | SpeedEvil | Now, cut down the paper to 43*58mm |
| 13:02.16 | hrw | Mukunda: my camera do only 320x200 if not worse |
| 13:02.22 | Mukunda | Ah haha, and then put 25 lines... :-\ |
| 13:02.40 | SpeedEvil | Adjust your screen window to that size. |
| 13:03.09 | SpeedEvil | I found that 40*20 was fairly readable at normal phone distances. |
| 13:03.37 | SpeedEvil | Maybe 50*20 or so if proportional. |
| 13:03.47 | SpeedEvil | And maybe half that - 20*10 for 'normal' use. |
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| 13:04.40 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_AUX_button ois a closeup |
| 13:05.45 | Mukunda | Thanks. |
| 13:05.57 | Mukunda | Wow... That is amazingly sharp that screen. |
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| 13:06.31 | koen | 300 dpi |
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| 13:16.47 | Mukunda | hrw: how long does the battery on the Neo1973 seem to last? |
| 13:18.16 | XorA | my battery has been sitting on my Neo for about 4 weeks wihtout dissapearing :-D |
| 13:18.18 | quitte | 43*58? my drawing is quit a bit larger. |
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| 13:18.57 | Mukunda | XorA: awesome, okay so battery doesn't magically get up and walk away, noted. |
| 13:22.23 | quitte | ok 43*58 is correct. seems i drew by guessing from the case size. can someone tell me the dimensions of the pcb? |
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| 13:23.29 | hrw | Mukunda: phase0 phones has broken power managment |
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| 13:29.43 | Mukunda | hrw: I take it that's just a software issue though? |
| 13:30.24 | hrw | Mukunda: in phase0 it is hardware |
| 13:30.34 | hrw | but it was already fixed in next version |
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| 13:36.09 | Mukunda | Hrm, don't the atheros wifi's chips use binary blobs? |
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| 13:38.17 | Mukunda | Hm darn it does. |
| 13:38.41 | Mukunda | That's a shame, and I hear those little things would be nigh impossible to reverse engineer. |
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| 13:41.12 | SpeedEvil | quitte: look on the wiki. |
| 13:41.24 | SpeedEvil | The 'neo1973' hardware page. |
| 13:41.33 | SpeedEvil | Look at the 'dissasembly pictures'. |
| 13:41.51 | SpeedEvil | About 60*80 |
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| 13:53.47 | roh | Mukunda the ar6k does only have firmware, no binary blob on the app cpu as far as i know |
| 13:54.43 | roh | Mukunda not comparable to thze madwifi stuff ;) the hw is more like a hermes wireless card connected via sdio |
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| 13:56.23 | mjr | yeah |
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| 14:41.31 | ironChicken | will there be a way to send video data to a projector (VGA/DVI) from the Neo1973? |
| 14:41.32 | aloril | ironChicken: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 14:42.26 | stefan_schmidt | ironChicken: Only if you have a selfpowered USB1 vga connector with linux support. |
| 14:42.39 | guaqua | :D |
| 14:42.44 | guaqua | if, and only if |
| 14:43.10 | guaqua | or just usb1 vga connector with linux support |
| 14:43.24 | guaqua | the power can be handled through a special hub |
| 14:43.54 | stefan_schmidt | right, should be fine if you connect it to a video projector/monitor anyway. |
| 14:45.27 | gtodd | sean should join the wireless-africa google group :) |
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| 14:47.33 | gtodd | I think in addition to Asia the neo1873 should "launch" in various African countries ... where mobile rules telecommunications and "disruptive" innovations might be welcome :) |
| 14:48.13 | guaqua | there's no software yet |
| 14:48.36 | guaqua | and there's no reason fic wouldn't sell to african countries aswell |
| 14:49.21 | ironChicken | stefan_schmidt: cool. i see. |
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| 15:13.33 | gtodd | guaqua, what's the status of 802.* support? |
| 15:13.47 | guaqua | no idea |
| 15:14.00 | guaqua | should work once we get hardware for that |
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| 15:14.39 | gtodd | so no suitable hardware yet ... |
| 15:14.43 | gtodd | hmm |
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| 15:15.26 | guaqua | there might be wifi in phase 1.5 |
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| 15:18.49 | gtodd | cool |
| 15:19.03 | CM | The Atheros chipset |
| 15:20.04 | gtodd | hmm maybe with the plans on the wiki something could be soldered in :) |
| 15:20.32 | gtodd | or the neo could be bolted to a linksys router :-D |
| 15:20.44 | CM | Hehe |
| 15:21.14 | CM | ~last rwhitby |
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| 15:21.25 | CM | äh.. |
| 15:21.34 | CM | ~seen rwhitby |
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| 15:22.01 | CM | apt: botsnack |
| 15:22.01 | apt | CM: thanks |
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| 15:41.37 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Unlikely]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
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| 15:48.12 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:56.05 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1918 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-smdk2440.patch: * correctly initialize GPIO (as per schematics) |
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| 15:59.07 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1919 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (17 files): |
| 15:59.07 | CIA-24 | openmoko: * neo1973 reorganization, move GTA01 specific code into board/neo1973/gta01 |
| 15:59.07 | CIA-24 | openmoko: in preparation of the upcoming board/neo1973/gta02 |
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| 16:00.44 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1920 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (series uboot-arm920t_cp15_cmd.patch): remove patch for 'arm920t cp15' command that was never fully working |
| 16:03.00 | Sufflope | counter? |
| 16:03.01 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week 07:57:06 (7.331 +-3.5 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-13); 4 months, a week, a day (131.831 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (1106;195) |
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| 16:04.08 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1921 10/trunk/doc/hardware/ (GTA02v1/ GTA02v1/gpio.txt SMDK2440/ SMDK2440/gpio.txt): add GPIO listings for GTA02v1 and SMDK2440 |
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| 17:03.54 | dietricha | counter |
| 17:03.55 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week 06:56:12 (7.289 +-3.5 days) (1107;196) |
| 17:08.29 | webjames | Hello |
| 17:10.23 | Elrond | Hi webjames |
| 17:10.43 | webjames | Hello Elrond! |
| 17:11.01 | webjames | just running qemu with openmoko having a poke around, looking good! |
| 17:11.12 | Elrond | Cool. :-) |
| 17:12.14 | webjames | Elrond: have you got a phase0 device? |
| 17:12.27 | Elrond | No. |
| 17:12.38 | Elrond | Sometimes I'd like one ;) |
| 17:13.11 | webjames | Are you going to get a phase 1 device? or shall you be waiting for phase 1+ hardware refresh? |
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| 17:14.56 | Elrond | I haven't yet decided. I want to wait for the announcement of the 1.5 hw details. |
| 17:15.17 | Elrond | If I buy one, I want the one with probable longer battery live. |
| 17:15.43 | webjames | so the phase 1+ with wifi, plus a faster cpu? |
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| 17:16.21 | webjames | i do rather like the stroke recogniser! |
| 17:16.38 | webjames | i wonder when the messages program will work? |
| 17:17.21 | Elrond | I have no idea. |
| 17:17.41 | webjames | Elrond:have you got it running it qemu? |
| 17:18.02 | Elrond | Well, wifi would just be nice. The faster CPU probably would add a bit of battery time, as it doesn't take much more power, while being faster (so overall, it would safe) |
| 17:18.34 | Elrond | webjames - No. My current machine is not ready for a such a big build currently. |
| 17:18.53 | webjames | yes, i think shorter loading times are always a bonus |
| 17:19.22 | webjames | Elrond: in that case you'll have a nice surprise when you see it for the first time |
| 17:20.23 | Elrond | webjames - I have seen some screenshots, etc. |
| 17:20.38 | Elrond | I will have patches for the default theme, etc. |
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| 17:20.43 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03andrew * r1922 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (hw/s3c24xx_udc.c usb-linux-gadget.c): Mask out all signals during gadgetfs writes to avoid interrupted calls (gadgtefs deficiency). |
| 17:21.42 | webjames | Elrond: yeah, i'm really looking forward to it. i think i shall wait for the hardware refresh in june! though it all depends on the discount i would get if i did get one this month |
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| 17:23.07 | kemp_ | hi -- is there a place to go to purchase a phone for the may run or is it too early? |
| 17:23.07 | aloril | kemp_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:23.35 | webjames | you are a little early, try typing 'counter' |
| 17:23.57 | kemp_ | counter |
| 17:23.58 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week 06:36:09 (7.275 +-3.5 days) (1108;197) |
| 17:24.41 | kemp_ | haha nice. so there will presumably be an announcment on openmoko.(com|org) at that time? |
| 17:25.15 | webjames | i would imagine so, i would guess openmoko.com is where the phones would be sold from |
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| 17:25.36 | kemp_ | great... i'll subscribe to the list too i guess, thanks |
| 17:25.46 | webjames | yeah that should keep you posted |
| 17:26.04 | webjames | june is the hardware refresh for phase 1+ devices |
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| 17:27.57 | kemp_ | great; can't wait :) |
| 17:28.04 | webjames | :) |
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| 17:37.38 | dietricha | is there a web interface for the counter? |
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| 17:38.35 | dietricha | i'm heading out of town, want to get sms notification when the counter changes ;) |
| 17:38.36 | Elrond | dietricha - Don't think so. |
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| 17:43.24 | quitte | reading the mailinglist archives confused me more than it gave me a clue. is it possible to receive a call while being online with gprs, or isn't it? |
| 17:46.42 | koen | quitte: it is |
| 17:46.58 | koen | quitte: and depending on the gprs radio packets will be on hold or flow like normail |
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| 17:47.03 | koen | normal* |
| 17:47.15 | koen | the neo will have an old radio, so packets will be on hold |
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| 17:56.33 | aloril2 | s:is changes:is changed: |
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| 18:16.06 | aloril2 | dietricha: most immediate notification would be to gateway openmoko anounce list to sms |
| 18:17.11 | aloril2 | s:ano:anno: |
| 18:19.52 | dietricha | aloril2: k, thx |
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| 18:20.27 | Mandarino | Hiz :) |
| 18:21.35 | SpeedEvil | guaqua: I don't think there are asny 1.1 VGA things |
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| 18:27.46 | aloril2 | actually even faster might be notification about openmoko.com change (should happen here within 15 minutes of it happening) |
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| 19:07.18 | Nebukadneza | hi |
| 19:07.21 | Nebukadneza | counter |
| 19:07.21 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week 04:52:45 (7.203 +-3.5 days) (1109;198) |
| 19:07.23 | Nebukadneza | ... as it, right? |
| 19:07.32 | Nebukadneza | +w |
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| 19:18.58 | Mandarino | Nebukadneza: no |
| 19:19.11 | Mandarino | It's uncertain :P |
| 19:19.36 | Nebukadneza | Mandarino: with "was it, right?" i meant the 'counter' command |
| 19:19.41 | Nebukadneza | i know its uncertain |
| 19:23.13 | Mandarino | Ah xD |
| 19:23.22 | Mandarino | Nebukadneza: where are you from? |
| 19:23.48 | Nebukadneza | germany |
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| 20:05.09 | sannes | counter |
| 20:05.09 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week 03:54:57 (7.163 +-3.5 days) (1110;198) |
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| 20:44.30 | Mukunda | roh: sorry, does that mean the firmware in embedded in the hardware, unchangable, or is it loaded in userspace? |
| 20:47.52 | guaqua | SpeedEvil: that's what i thought too :) |
| 20:48.20 | SpeedEvil | I've been looking for them slightly. |
| 20:48.31 | SpeedEvil | As well as USB1.1 -> composite cheap. |
| 20:48.43 | SpeedEvil | For car displays. |
| 20:49.14 | guaqua | :/ |
| 20:50.08 | Vegar | car displays? |
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| 20:51.35 | SpeedEvil | Small displays for guages and stuff. |
| 20:52.02 | SpeedEvil | There are moderately cheap 2.5" or so composite displays that don't have much border, that take composite input. |
| 20:52.22 | SpeedEvil | And if there was a nice way to connect them to a laptop, they'd do well for guages. |
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| 20:54.00 | SpeedEvil | I wonder how cheap the neo1973'd be if you left off the case, made it non-touchscreen, pulled the GSM module. |
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| 20:54.28 | Moo^^ | SpeedEvil: pure-GPS? |
| 20:54.49 | guaqua | dunno how much the gsm part is |
| 20:54.54 | guaqua | or how expensive |
| 20:54.57 | balrog-kun | i think you could save a lot by leaving out the CPU and the main PCB too |
| 20:55.18 | Moo^^ | GSM patent royalties are 5% - 15% stock phone price |
| 20:55.21 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning more to act as a generic computer, rather than a mobile. |
| 20:55.40 | Moo^^ | balrog-kun: ^_^ |
| 20:55.46 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Like a pda? ;) |
| 20:55.57 | SpeedEvil | I mean for embedding into stuff. |
| 20:56.03 | Elrond | Ahh. |
| 20:56.32 | SpeedEvil | For example, a neo-type thing embedded into a 3" circular mount might be handy for car use. |
| 20:56.33 | Elrond | Well, I guess the display is one of the expensivest parts anyway. So making it non-touch, will save a fair bit. |
| 20:56.46 | SpeedEvil | And dropping to 320*200 |
| 20:56.54 | DukeOfURL | Have you seend the displays that have replaced the guages in airliners. |
| 20:57.05 | SpeedEvil | That sort of thing. |
| 20:57.09 | SpeedEvil | But less expensive :) |
| 20:57.13 | DukeOfURL | How do they make the display so bright in direct sunlight? |
| 20:57.20 | SpeedEvil | How do you think. |
| 20:57.25 | SpeedEvil | Lots of backlight power. |
| 20:57.25 | DukeOfURL | ? |
| 20:57.25 | guaqua | isn't it gauge? |
| 20:58.21 | SpeedEvil | Remove the neos 100mW backlight LEDs, put in 5W of really efficient backlight LEDs, and it's sunlight readable easily. |
| 20:58.44 | SpeedEvil | Chop the back off. |
| 20:58.54 | DukeOfURL | side windows |
| 20:59.01 | Vegar | is the neo really crappy in sunlight? |
| 20:59.06 | SpeedEvil | Yes :( |
| 20:59.09 | SpeedEvil | Apparently. |
| 20:59.24 | SpeedEvil | The display is not reflective at all. |
| 20:59.31 | SpeedEvil | It completely relies on the backlight. |
| 20:59.39 | Vegar | oh |
| 20:59.39 | Vegar | crap |
| 21:00.09 | Elrond | Would a compromise have been possible? Like 90% backlight 10% reflective? |
| 21:00.33 | SpeedEvil | There is a fundamental problem. |
| 21:00.47 | SpeedEvil | To get it reflective, you've got to put a reflective layer at the back of the display. |
| 21:00.58 | SpeedEvil | This typically absorbs half the light from the backlight. |
| 21:01.06 | Elrond | Yeah. |
| 21:01.28 | Elrond | But can't one use a not-so-reflective thing, which only absorbs 10% of the backlight? |
| 21:01.31 | SpeedEvil | And you get at best some 4-5%. |
| 21:01.56 | SpeedEvil | The theoretical maximum of a reflective colour display is some 16% reflection. |
| 21:02.11 | Elrond | Huh. |
| 21:02.20 | SpeedEvil | As 1/2 gets absorbed by the polarisers, and 2/3 by the light hitting the wrong colour pixel. |
| 21:02.43 | SpeedEvil | If you've got 50% reflection on the backlight, you're then looking at 8% theoretical max. |
| 21:02.51 | SpeedEvil | And it's never close to this. |
| 21:03.24 | SpeedEvil | This can be more or less adequate. |
| 21:03.34 | SpeedEvil | But it's never very good. |
| 21:04.06 | Elrond | So the default is like 4%? |
| 21:04.08 | SpeedEvil | The OLPC is a potentially interesting exception. |
| 21:04.13 | SpeedEvil | Something like that. |
| 21:04.21 | SpeedEvil | For most reflective/backlit displays. |
| 21:04.47 | Elrond | Well, 0.5% reflection would still be good for use-in-sun. |
| 21:05.05 | SpeedEvil | Well - absent other problems. |
| 21:05.18 | Elrond | Yeah, of course. |
| 21:05.33 | SpeedEvil | The other problems are that the display has a plastic film to make the touchscreen, then an air gap, then the glass of the display. |
| 21:05.43 | SpeedEvil | You get reflections from all three of these surfaces. |
| 21:05.56 | Elrond | I want to say "bad reflection is better than no reflection", if "bad reflection" imprves "backlight pass-throuh". |
| 21:06.31 | SpeedEvil | I dunno. I'd need to play a bit with candidate displays. |
| 21:06.49 | roh | heh.. i have a olpc board here |
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| 21:07.03 | roh | just not the case and the display... it has a vga output instead |
| 21:07.33 | Elrond | Ahh, there was a project with the olpc board in a normal case. |
| 21:07.42 | Elrond | Just for "you need a small pc" applications. |
| 21:08.00 | Elrond | ... it was some funny project where you buy two boxes, one for yourself, one for someone "in need". |
| 21:08.15 | roh | Elrond nope. its a prototype board from the beta phase |
| 21:08.23 | roh | B1 or so its called. |
| 21:08.52 | roh | it also is missing the extra scaler they put between graphics card and display |
| 21:09.04 | SpeedEvil | Not a scaler as such. |
| 21:09.22 | SpeedEvil | Also does fun stuff like running the display with the CPU off. |
| 21:10.00 | MrFeetio | what kinds of stuff will the neo1973 be capable of(hardware wise) |
| 21:10.16 | SpeedEvil | Think of a pentium 100 or so. |
| 21:10.16 | MrFeetio | will it be able to play games like battle for wesnoth |
| 21:10.33 | Moo^^ | commander keen run on 8086 PC :) |
| 21:10.34 | SpeedEvil | With a 2.8" touchscreen, and no buttons. |
| 21:10.52 | MrFeetio | ohhhh, I love commander keen |
| 21:10.55 | SpeedEvil | It's quite enough for full-screen action games. |
| 21:11.04 | SpeedEvil | Doom II, for example. |
| 21:11.14 | SpeedEvil | But the problem there is controls. |
| 21:11.23 | Vegar | someone ran freeciv on a neo |
| 21:11.35 | MrFeetio | im willing to bet there will be a aftermarket cable so we can plug in gamepads |
| 21:11.48 | SpeedEvil | You can use a wiimote with it. |
| 21:12.04 | Vegar | is wiimote USB? |
| 21:12.07 | guaqua | commander keen with a wiimote :> |
| 21:12.10 | MrFeetio | does the phase1 have bluetooth |
| 21:12.15 | Vegar | yes |
| 21:12.16 | mjr | it has |
| 21:12.17 | MrFeetio | wiimote if bluetooth |
| 21:12.18 | SpeedEvil | wiimote is bluetooth |
| 21:12.21 | Vegar | ah |
| 21:12.25 | Vegar | cool |
| 21:12.32 | Vegar | are there linux drivers for it? |
| 21:12.35 | SpeedEvil | Or there are little BT keyboards. |
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| 21:12.38 | MrFeetio | yea |
| 21:12.40 | roh | Vegar there are |
| 21:12.41 | woglinde | counter |
| 21:12.42 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week 02:47:25 (7.116 +-3.5 days) (1111;198) |
| 21:13.08 | SpeedEvil | It's lied to me so many times. |
| 21:14.07 | roh | SpeedEvil i'm shure it will be this month for p1 and a lot of people getting one |
| 21:14.48 | SpeedEvil | Can you clarify if the 'run' of the 10th and ... is of PCBs or does it end up with shippable boxes. |
| 21:15.12 | MrFeetio | I know this isn't the right place ... but it is the right crowd. what's the story with the gp2x? is it gonna get a hardware update(mk3) or is it going to die off? |
| 21:15.13 | aloril | MrFeetio: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 21:15.37 | woglinde | mrfeetio worng channel |
| 21:15.42 | zecke | woglinde: hey |
| 21:15.45 | woglinde | he zecke |
| 21:16.01 | MrFeetio | is the main gp2x channel on freenode? |
| 21:16.02 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - NO WARRANTY: http://koolu.com/ |
| 21:16.24 | woglinde | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.32 | woglinde | dont know if it exist |
| 21:16.52 | MrFeetio | I don't think it is.... and if it is the gp2x is dead |
| 21:17.19 | SrRaven | production of it stopped |
| 21:17.23 | SrRaven | so you may consider it dead |
| 21:18.40 | MrFeetio | it is a sad death, but it didn't have a big enough nich, now if it had a touch screen and could be a phone then it would have had a chance |
| 21:18.43 | woglinde | if I remember correctly one the father of one one of the founders of the gp2x has large chip manufatory and thats the only reason why gp2x exist |
| 21:23.13 | roh | SpeedEvil the run means the pcb will be combined with the parts in the factory. after that the QA checks them |
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| 21:24.17 | SpeedEvil | I mean is it just PCB assembly. Or does it end in a shippable unit. |
| 21:24.20 | SpeedEvil | Oh. |
| 21:25.05 | roh | SpeedEvil it ends in a shippable unit, but in dunno if its the same day. |
| 21:25.16 | roh | SpeedEvil just don't panic ;) |
| 21:25.18 | SpeedEvil | Probably not I expect. |
| 21:25.52 | SpeedEvil | If there are going to be minimal tests. |
| 21:25.56 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 21:25.58 | Elrond | roh - So at 12th there should be some boxes, but QA will examine a few of them? |
| 21:26.06 | roh | i assume that shipping will take longer than completing them |
| 21:26.36 | Elrond | Well, for EU those compliance tests are needed, still, right? |
| 21:27.03 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 21:27.08 | SpeedEvil | You can self-certify. |
| 21:27.26 | Elrond | How does "self-certify" work? |
| 21:27.42 | SpeedEvil | But you need to supply a 'technical construction file' showing that you have good reason to believe that it passes. |
| 21:27.52 | SpeedEvil | You don't have to actually test every device. |
| 21:28.22 | SpeedEvil | But if you don't, and you don't show that you had good reason to believe that it would pass, and it doesn't pass when it ends up tested, the fines can be moderately large. |
| 21:28.37 | SpeedEvil | Not to mention stuff like it getting pulled from shelves. |
| 21:29.22 | SpeedEvil | Practically, on something like the neo1973, you would need to do EMC tests. But these could be done on a representative prototype. |
| 21:30.06 | Elrond | Ahh. |
| 21:30.11 | roh | Elrond i have the greatest confidence in my taiwanese and chinese collegues there. atm fic i selling a million phones or so every year, so builing a gsm phone is nothing new we need to learn :) |
| 21:31.01 | Elrond | roh - Good. So I guess they know the certification business. |
| 21:31.13 | SpeedEvil | Of course. |
| 21:31.16 | SpeedEvil | In practice. |
| 21:31.19 | roh | yep |
| 21:31.31 | SpeedEvil | There is no active testing. |
| 21:31.43 | roh | the new thing is: its real opensource. not the phone business itself |
| 21:31.48 | SpeedEvil | It needs to be reported by someone. Who may be a competitor. |
| 21:31.58 | SpeedEvil | The phone is pretty much just another phone. |
| 21:32.18 | Elrond | I remember trisoft wanting to do some more official tests or so. |
| 21:32.21 | SpeedEvil | Except for the documentes. |
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| 21:34.27 | DukeOfURL | does the phone require FCC certification or does the DSM chip? |
| 21:34.36 | DukeOfURL | s/DSM/GSM/ |
| 21:36.01 | roh | afaik its the whole gsm(radiomodem) which gets certified. meaning also the pcb design and the shielding around it in a test procedure which also has temperature and similar physical tests in a lab |
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| 21:37.26 | Elrond | roh - Did that already happen? |
| 21:38.11 | MrFeetio | will openmoko run on a Motorola Q? |
| 21:39.10 | roh | Elrond afaik, but i can have mixed some things up there. i also did not loot at the results |
| 21:39.19 | Elrond | MrFeetio - If you get linux to boot.... and if it has enough RAM/CPU... probably yes. |
| 21:39.38 | roh | Elrond but thats what the collegues in production are there for. thats where they are good at |
| 21:40.06 | Elrond | roh - Okay. So CE testing is happening also. |
| 21:40.16 | roh | of course |
| 21:40.33 | roh | as i said.. its not their first phone. on the contrary |
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| 21:41.37 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] [[Dfu-util]] |
| 21:41.43 | Elrond | Well, from what I gathered, it is their first phone with geeks looking at picky details. ;o) |
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| 21:44.53 | roh | Elrond the biggest problem is to get something usefull out of the availible components. since we want to build sth. open and want to have you all get access to datasheets of the soldered chips we need to be quite picky |
| 21:45.36 | Elrond | roh - The "picky" was meant 100% positive. :) |
| 21:46.09 | roh | yes. |
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| 21:48.50 | Elrond | It's one of the parts I like about the neo. It looks like really good hardware. Not like standard hardware ("the stupid customer wont notice the difference anyway"). |
| 21:52.39 | roh | Elrond i for example also want a 3.5mm jack and make shure it really make a good sound on the headphones. |
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| 21:52.57 | roh | so no need for long mailthreads there ;) |
| 21:52.59 | KrzysiekBielicki | http://www.pro-estonia.koliber.edu.pl/ |
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| 21:54.42 | balrog-kun | KrzysiekBielicki: umm, wrong channel |
| 21:55.08 | KrzysiekBielicki | sorry, but it's very important for us |
| 21:55.23 | KrzysiekBielicki | we are using every possible channel |
| 21:55.29 | SpeedEvil | roh: I assume no progress on the GPS datasheets? Or binary module? |
| 21:55.36 | SpeedEvil | s/module/userspace program/ |
| 21:56.48 | roh | apt nothing new i know of. but i will not be standing in anybodys way who wants to plain hack that ;( |
| 21:56.55 | roh | eh :) |
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| 21:57.48 | SpeedEvil | I assume you ahve no good thoughts on why the poking the GPS with the same strings as on the tomtom results in 0x00 as the only byte? |
| 21:58.01 | Elrond | roh - Did anyone inside FIC see any single bits from the Hammerhead in Bv03/04 ? |
| 21:58.27 | roh | dunno. my info were that somebody tested that they work |
| 21:58.31 | Elrond | SpeedEvil - Wait, we got a 0x00 finally? Instead of plain nothing? |
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| 21:58.43 | SpeedEvil | Someone said that tehy did. |
| 21:58.49 | SpeedEvil | On each powerup and down. |
| 21:59.04 | SpeedEvil | However, it should send lots more than that. |
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| 21:59.52 | Elrond | Right. |
| 22:00.19 | Elrond | If I get a phone, I'll research that deeper. |
| 22:00.25 | Elrond | ... and file lots of UI bugs. ;o) |
| 22:01.55 | SpeedEvil | Which is the control panel for a DIY ECU. |
| 22:02.30 | Elrond | ECU? |
| 22:02.37 | SpeedEvil | Engine control unit. |
| 22:02.48 | Elrond | Ahh. |
| 22:02.56 | SpeedEvil | http://megasquirt.info/ |
| 22:03.01 | SpeedEvil | soldering iron ++ |
| 22:05.27 | Elrond | ;) |
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| 22:14.21 | CoreDump|home | re |
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| 22:25.10 | Elrond | Hi CoreDump|home! |
| 22:26.03 | CoreDump|home | hey Elrond |
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| 22:29.00 | balrog-kun | hmmm, it accepts any password i give when logging in as root over ssh |
| 22:29.08 | balrog-kun | should it accept e.g only empty passwords? |
| 22:29.23 | balrog-kun | *shouldn't |
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| 22:37.35 | CoreDump|home | hello dear OM developers, SVN is hosed ATM with u-boot failing with " chmod: cannot access `board/neo1973/split_by_variant.sh': No such file or directory" |
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| 22:44.49 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - file a bug. :) |
| 22:45.02 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - And be sure, that it is not a local problem. :) |
| 22:45.10 | CoreDump|home | It know it's not |
| 22:45.18 | CoreDump|home | it's a known-good build-env ;) |
| 22:45.31 | Elrond | Then file a bug. |
| 22:46.17 | CoreDump|home | last time I filed a (trivial-to-fix) bug report with added patch, it took the OM folks like 10days to reply =) I guess someone will notice the problem sooner than that |
| 22:46.49 | zecke | CoreDump|home: the bug is already rported ;) |
| 22:46.59 | zecke | CoreDump|home: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=OpenMoko |
| 22:47.09 | zecke | CoreDump|home: #549 |
| 22:47.12 | zecke | !ombug 549 |
| 22:47.13 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 549, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 22:47.15 | cdbot2 | * * autobuild-reports(AT)openmoko.org: uboot-gta01-1.2.0+svnnow-r5_ac4cd59d59c9bf3f89cb7a344abf8184d678f562_0_1920-do_compile |
| 22:47.16 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=549 |
| 22:47.22 | CoreDump|home | zecke: ahh heh |
| 22:48.01 | zecke | CoreDump|home: and poor's mickey boy's mailbox gets flooded |
| 22:48.27 | Moo^^ | does openmoko have nightly builds? |
| 22:48.28 | zecke | mickeyl: use your admin power to change the default assignee |
| 22:48.41 | mickeyl | hmm admin power... me? ;) |
| 22:48.49 | Elrond | *giggle* |
| 22:48.56 | mickeyl | Moo^^: nightly? hourly... |
| 22:48.57 | zecke | mickeyl: write a mail |
| 22:49.09 | zecke | Moo^^: we have one build at midnight |
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| 22:49.14 | zecke | Moo^^: and one after each commit |
| 22:49.43 | zecke | Moo^^: every 20 incremental builds the tree is thrown away and recompiled from scratch |
| 22:49.57 | CoreDump|home | neat |
| 22:50.10 | mickeyl | ~praise zecke for QA |
| 22:50.25 | apt | All hail zecke for QA! |
| 22:50.51 | Moo^^ | Q! |
| 22:51.16 | zecke | mickeyl: well you turned my real plot down and forced me to hack webkit |
| 22:51.24 | mickeyl | heh |
| 22:51.26 | mickeyl | sorry bout that |
| 22:51.29 | mickeyl | but it's important |
| 22:51.33 | mickeyl | and you get money for it :) |
| 22:51.46 | mickeyl | if you can live up to the expectations |
| 22:51.47 | zecke | I'm such a whore |
| 22:51.50 | mickeyl | :D |
| 22:51.56 | mickeyl | aren't we all? |
| 22:52.17 | zecke | we are, probably we get treated the way we treat others *sigh* |
| 22:52.31 | CoreDump|home | hehe |
| 22:52.45 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03wansti * r1923 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/sounds/ (30 files): added first set of recorded sounds in uncompressed WAV, MP3 (LAME) and Ogg Vorbis formats |
| 22:52.47 | CoreDump|home | poor white-collars muhaha |
| 22:53.04 | mickeyl | ah, wansti adds ring tones |
| 22:53.08 | mickeyl | guess i should sort out audio now |
| 22:53.24 | mickeyl | now = tomorrow |
| 22:53.46 | CoreDump|home | any news on the gsm / dialer front? |
| 22:54.31 | CoreDump|home | well, forget GSM, what about GPS? =D |
| 22:54.31 | mickeyl | i need to review the current state, dunno whether Thomas uses my gobject code yet |
| 22:54.36 | CoreDump|home | Elrond: n8! |
| 22:54.47 | robster | CoreDump|home: dialer development is somewhat slowed due to the fact i broke our device, that should be fixed soon though. |
| 22:55.18 | CoreDump|home | robster: ah I see |
| 22:56.05 | CoreDump|home | mickeyl: blasted regulations. Why can't the damn h/w vendors integrate them into the hardware itself, allowing opensource drivers |
| 22:56.26 | mickeyl | it's all about their IP |
| 22:57.05 | CoreDump|home | as I understand it, even if they wanted, they couldn't possibly release a full OSS driver due to regulations in "some" countries |
| 22:57.34 | mickeyl | my belief is that the regulations are an excuse |
| 22:57.54 | mickeyl | it should be possible to release an open source wrapper to their binary only algorithms |
| 22:57.59 | mickeyl | since long |
| 22:57.59 | CoreDump|home | by the sound if it, we will have a reverse-engineered driver in a matter of weeks after they hand out the binary blob =) |
| 22:58.24 | zecke | CoreDump|home: psst |
| 22:58.25 | Magon | mickeyl: i tried to you yours MokoWindow notification is-topmost...it works well but i have no idea how it works |
| 22:58.33 | CoreDump|home | zecke: the manufacturer is not stupid... |
| 22:58.34 | mickeyl | Magon: hehe |
| 22:58.49 | Magon | I was studing it for 30 minutes and nothing |
| 22:58.49 | mickeyl | Magon: i can explain that, but the implementation will be kicked out anyway |
| 22:58.53 | mickeyl | substituted w/ some simpler way |
| 22:59.06 | mickeyl | Magon: sorry for the delay in answering btw., I'll come to your mail tomorrow |
| 22:59.10 | Magon | but functionality will remain? |
| 22:59.18 | mickeyl | yes, 100% |
| 22:59.26 | mickeyl | just the inner implementation will switch |
| 22:59.41 | Magon | mickeyl: i think i have already answer...or i just deceided and continued coding |
| 22:59.49 | Magon | ok |
| 22:59.53 | Magon | i really on it |
| 23:00.19 | mickeyl | great |
| 23:00.24 | Magon | btw: just now i am implementing per application structures, it is going to be functional soon probably |
| 23:00.38 | mickeyl | cool. that'll be quite an optimization |
| 23:00.44 | Magon | and i have free day tomorrow |
| 23:01.05 | Magon | the bigest problem are buttons on toolbox |
| 23:01.33 | Magon | i have to keep each one for each application probably |
| 23:01.46 | Magon | or reload pixmaps from files |
| 23:02.32 | robster | Magon: did you see my email? |
| 23:02.35 | robster | Magon: with the code? |
| 23:02.55 | mickeyl | i'm going to rest a couple of hours |
| 23:02.55 | mickeyl | g'night guys |
| 23:03.08 | robster | mickeyl: ciao. |
| 23:03.23 | CoreDump|home | n8 mickey|zzZZzz |
| 23:03.32 | Magon | robster: sorry for not answering you |
| 23:03.44 | Magon | i just took the code and implemented :-) |
| 23:03.51 | Magon | fake keyboard is working well |
| 23:04.03 | robster | Magon: cool. |
| 23:04.36 | Magon | but deciding when to show is based on dbus communication |
| 23:04.43 | robster | Magon: if you can include a credit to "Rob Bradford <rob@o-hand.com>" where appropriate that will keep me and my boss happy. |
| 23:04.54 | Magon | robster: not a problem |
| 23:05.15 | Magon | there will be more credits everywhere :-) |
| 23:06.03 | Magon | and i dont have the credit and licence part done yet :-( |
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| 23:06.33 | Magon | robster: do you want just simple credit or some thanking talk ? ;-) |
| 23:09.22 | Magon | robster: and thanks a lot for the code..it is really simple and it would take me long to think of that |
| 23:09.28 | CIA-24 | openmoko: 03andrew * r1924 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (hw/s3c24xx_udc.c usb-linux-gadget.c): |
| 23:09.28 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Add high-speed USB slaves support and account for all the quirks related to this. |
| 23:09.28 | CIA-24 | openmoko: Misc bugfixes and added verbosity. |
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| 23:44.22 | alphaone | damn |
| 23:44.29 | alphaone | I missed mickeyl :-( |
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| 23:48.59 | CoreDump|home | yep |
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