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| 03:17.32 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Hammerhead_protocol]] |
| 03:17.48 | DukeOfURL | counter |
| 03:17.48 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week, 5 days 20:42:13 (12.863 +-3.5 days) (1067;191) |
| 03:17.56 | DukeOfURL | hurmph |
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| 07:46.57 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:47.06 | SpeedEvil | Good moaning. |
| 07:47.28 | rmt2 | Goede dag. |
| 07:49.22 | SpeedEvil | Hopscotch: Any progress? Nobody has gotten the GPS on the neo to talk. |
| 07:52.36 | Hopscotch | not so far |
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| 07:52.47 | Hopscotch | different problems here stopped me from working on that |
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| 07:53.13 | Hopscotch | we have a ~130 people wlan network here and in one of the most important antennas was water... |
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| 07:56.40 | SpeedEvil | Oops. |
| 07:56.56 | Hopscotch | besides that we have no rain for four weeks |
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| 08:00.50 | Hopscotch | hiho |
| 08:01.31 | LaF0rge | hi hopscotch |
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| 08:15.15 | Hopscotch | i hope so |
| 08:16.31 | Hopscotch | hammerhead is very sensitive - in fact more than any gps i've seen so far |
| 08:17.09 | koen | sensitive as in "fragile" or "freaking good reception" ? |
| 08:17.59 | Hopscotch | hehe, good reception |
| 08:18.08 | Hopscotch | it's the only one to get a lock inside my flat |
| 08:18.19 | koen | cool |
| 08:19.57 | Hopscotch | even if only 130dbm of the 160dbm sensitivity in the datasheet are true, it's amazing |
| 08:20.36 | Hopscotch | sirf states 159dbm in the datasheet but it doesn't get a lock here |
| 08:20.52 | Hopscotch | need to go outside and the lock is lost once i'm inside again |
| 08:21.04 | Hopscotch | the hammerhead keeps the lock |
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| 08:25.07 | aloril | as said before here, it would be funny if GPL GPS driver was available for Neo1973 before closed one ;-) |
| 08:25.29 | Hopscotch | that would really rock da house :) |
| 08:26.00 | koen | I have a ssh link to the neo open right now |
| 08:26.12 | koen | so if someone needs some commands to be run.... |
| 08:27.00 | koen | </hint> |
| 08:27.27 | Hopscotch | :))) |
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| 08:29.45 | Hopscotch | i will try to get my p0 here charged again |
| 08:30.03 | Hopscotch | even if i force the charger |
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| 08:31.25 | aloril | (koen: I guess you have already tried what esw at alum.mit.edu said) |
| 08:31.31 | koen | yes |
| 08:31.36 | woglinde | counter |
| 08:31.37 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week, 5 days 15:28:26 (12.645 +-3.5 days) (1068;191) |
| 08:31.44 | koen | (the od doesn't work, but neither does cat) |
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| 08:46.08 | zecke | LaF0rge: hey, do you have a machine with a spare CPU? |
| 08:46.33 | hrw | hi |
| 08:50.56 | guillaum1 | hi all |
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| 09:16.33 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Gpsd]] [[Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr]] [[Main_Page]] |
| 09:16.36 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: charge? |
| 09:16.47 | LaF0rge | hopscotch: what exactly is your problem |
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| 09:28.05 | SpeedEvil | 130dB would not be good. In fact it'd be utterly useless. |
| 09:28.39 | SpeedEvil | Well - unless you need only approximate time, within a few thousand kilometers of the satellite. |
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| 09:32.02 | LaF0rge | speed: we have multiple chipsets with actual measured sensitivity beyond -150dB. and yes, it is useful for getting weak signals in AGPS applications even [partially] indoors |
| 09:35.53 | SpeedEvil | Oh - yes. I agree more sensitivity is good. |
| 09:36.22 | SpeedEvil | Just that 130dB is insensitive enough that it actually won't work on earth. |
| 09:36.24 | Hopscotch | LaF0rge: seems my phone drains the battery |
| 09:36.28 | mickeyl | LaF0rge: it's probably still the "phone draws power while powered off" |
| 09:36.41 | Hopscotch | LaF0rge: only when i let it stay in bootloader mode it switches on the charger |
| 09:38.00 | Hopscotch | mickeyl: righto... |
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| 09:39.27 | TRIsoft | morning |
| 09:39.41 | Hopscotch | LaF0rge: don't bother - i'll fight it down myself |
| 09:40.14 | SpeedEvil | (regulated) |
| 09:41.13 | Hopscotch | in the lab this wouldn't be a problem |
| 09:41.20 | Hopscotch | but here i have only 5v |
| 09:41.22 | Hopscotch | ... |
| 09:42.44 | aloril2 | any idea when P0 devs get their P1 device? (from those 150 working devices) |
| 09:43.35 | woglinde | *g* |
| 09:45.10 | Sup3rkiddo | the audio in neo..will it be mono or stereo? |
| 09:45.25 | SpeedEvil | Stereo. |
| 09:45.39 | SpeedEvil | Though from the internal speakers you won't get much stereo effect. |
| 09:46.30 | XorA | SpeedEvil: turn on the 3d and the stereo effect is better |
| 09:46.30 | Stephmw | hey, hey |
| 09:47.24 | florian | good morning |
| 09:48.45 | mjr | SpeedEvil, that's why in v2 we'll need extensible speakers ! |
| 09:51.34 | inz | Optical audio connector for digital 7.1 output? |
| 09:51.59 | guaqua | i there just was a regular 3.5mm plug connector :< |
| 09:52.06 | guaqua | if, that is |
| 09:52.46 | guaqua | now i need to rig up some half-assed solution to get headphones attached |
| 09:53.43 | guaqua | a regular connector would probably also attracy buyers |
| 09:54.11 | guaqua | getting a standard 4 gb player for the price isn't actually that bad, considering it's extendable |
| 09:54.33 | SpeedEvil | 4g? |
| 09:55.46 | buz | guaqua: an adapter costs like 1$ |
| 09:56.03 | buz | maybe fic should bundle it |
| 09:56.18 | buz | definitely more useful than the lanyard |
| 09:56.28 | Hopscotch | hmmm |
| 09:56.36 | buz | as for 4gb, we still dont know if sdhc will work |
| 09:56.37 | Hopscotch | gltt seems to run neo1973 |
| 09:56.45 | Hopscotch | despite of the wrong abi |
| 09:56.48 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 09:56.57 | SpeedEvil | Adaptor costs $1 |
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| 09:57.14 | SpeedEvil | If it's the rigid sort, it stresses the headphone jack. |
| 09:57.21 | SpeedEvil | If it's not, it tangles more. |
| 09:57.58 | buz | as opposed to a 3,5mm plug which doesn't stress the jack??? |
| 09:58.32 | Hopscotch | Jan 1 00:29:29 fic-gta01 user.info gltt: *** initializing hal |
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| 10:00.42 | mickeyl | philippe: ping |
| 10:02.14 | SpeedEvil | 3.5mm plug on 2.5mm-3.5mm adaptor, adding 3cm or so of length is much worse |
| 10:03.41 | guaqua | it's always more stuff to carry with you |
| 10:03.59 | guaqua | but if it was bundled i suppose many people would appreciate it |
| 10:04.20 | SpeedEvil | And these things cost near zero in thousands. |
| 10:04.42 | Hopscotch | hmmm |
| 10:04.55 | Hopscotch | koen: ok... you're right... gltt seems to fail |
| 10:04.55 | buz | i wonder if the button some headsets have could be abused to control the mp3 player |
| 10:04.56 | buz | press once to skip track |
| 10:04.57 | buz | press longer to go backward |
| 10:04.59 | buz | or somoe such |
| 10:05.08 | Hopscotch | koen: 1184 io_submit(0x2, 0x2, 0xfbad2088 <unfinished ... exit status 2> |
| 10:05.12 | guaqua | end-user going home eager to plug in their own headphones realizes he can't do that....it's a bad user experience |
| 10:05.26 | Hopscotch | koen: in the trace on the tomtom that line is 256 getpid() = 256 |
| 10:05.40 | buz | guaqua: realistically, you cant do it with just about all phones |
| 10:05.48 | buz | possible exception of mp3 player cum phone |
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| 10:05.54 | buz | (say nokia n91) |
| 10:06.07 | guaqua | buz: and how does that make it a bad user experience? |
| 10:06.13 | guaqua | err |
| 10:06.16 | guaqua | how doesn't it? |
| 10:06.22 | buz | i'd say it's kinda expected by most |
| 10:06.34 | buz | so bundling an adapter would actually be a big improvement |
| 10:06.47 | buz | from "usual crap" to "hey, they thought of it" |
| 10:06.56 | guaqua | yeah |
| 10:07.10 | guaqua | i'm all for that |
| 10:07.22 | buz | mhh maybe you could actually do a proper remote for the mp3 player |
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| 10:07.34 | buz | with DMTF like interface to the microphone? |
| 10:08.26 | guaqua | also if there was a way to have the connector attached to the phone's hole to reduce stress on the actual connector board |
| 10:08.30 | guaqua | buz: i like the idea |
| 10:08.32 | redlava | guys, where do I go if I'm new and have issue executing make openmoko-devel-image |
| 10:08.37 | buz | guaqua: so do i |
| 10:08.37 | guaqua | gets a bit complicated though :) |
| 10:08.42 | buz | i should patent it ;) |
| 10:08.44 | SpeedEvil | Not really practical guaqua. |
| 10:09.02 | guaqua | well the general idea here now |
| 10:09.06 | SpeedEvil | The case isn't suitable for that sort of attach. |
| 10:09.09 | guaqua | just sketching in my head |
| 10:09.36 | guaqua | attaching it the same way the lanyard is? |
| 10:09.38 | buz | i wonder what kind of sampling rate you'd need on the microphone port to get dtmf like stuff working |
| 10:09.46 | SpeedEvil | 8Khz is just fine. |
| 10:10.08 | buz | yeah but how much power does it draw to constantly sample @8khz |
| 10:10.14 | SpeedEvil | Near zero. |
| 10:10.18 | XorA | buz: no generating 2600 tones :-) |
| 10:10.21 | SpeedEvil | But then you need to have the CPU on. |
| 10:10.22 | buz | mhh that might work then |
| 10:10.25 | guaqua | press the button - then talk |
| 10:10.26 | SpeedEvil | Which doesn't use near zero. |
| 10:10.36 | buz | SpeedEvil: you kinda need the cpu to decode mp3 |
| 10:10.46 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right, missed that bit. |
| 10:11.13 | XorA | buz: your problem is the speakers are next to microphone, feedback hell awaits |
| 10:11.27 | buz | wtf listens to music over those speakers |
| 10:11.31 | guaqua | :D |
| 10:11.38 | jeddy3 | or some casemod to connect adapter "inside" case and be a 2inch-soft-coord coming out |
| 10:11.55 | buz | the REMOTE is gonna generate the tones and send it over cable to the microphone port |
| 10:12.06 | buz | neither micro nor speakers are really involved |
| 10:12.39 | buz | about the only question is how to power the tone generator |
| 10:12.44 | SpeedEvil | 1 wire bus. |
| 10:12.58 | SpeedEvil | 1 wire bus is cool. |
| 10:13.16 | buz | can you use that on the headset jack? |
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| 10:13.30 | SpeedEvil | Don't see a reason why not. |
| 10:13.45 | buz | i'd suppose it's only connected to the dac? |
| 10:13.56 | SpeedEvil | hang on |
| 10:14.25 | buz | mhh need go cook lnunch ;) |
| 10:14.26 | buz | bbl |
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| 10:16.29 | XorA | buz: power it from the mic bias |
| 10:17.56 | SpeedEvil | 1 wire bus is basically a 1 wire parasite powered bus. |
| 10:18.10 | SpeedEvil | There are assorted things that hang off it. |
| 10:18.36 | SpeedEvil | From DACs and ADCs, to switches, GPIO, and even security tokens. |
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| 10:20.13 | SpeedEvil | http://www.maxim-ic.com/auto_info.cfm |
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| 10:36.37 | hads | 1wire is kinda cool |
| 10:39.32 | CM | I'd like an L-shaped 2.5mm -> 3.5mm connector for the audio |
| 10:40.03 | hads | The Treo650 one is L shaped |
| 10:40.22 | CM | :) |
| 10:43.35 | LaF0rge | wel |
| 10:44.06 | LaF0rge | we'll have an adapter, L shaped, but not right now. just nobody seems to have time to source them in quantities here yet ;) |
| 10:44.30 | CM | Ah, nice. Thanks for the info |
| 10:44.49 | XorA | LaF0rge: consider changing wiring so Neo matches some other phones wiring :-) |
| 10:46.20 | hrw | XorA: Nokia? |
| 10:46.39 | XorA | hrw: I was thinking HTC as ebay is awash with 1$ adaters for them |
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| 11:18.33 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Neo1973_Hardware]] |
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| 11:49.17 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1893 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (10 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:49.17 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * Makefile.am: |
| 11:49.17 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 11:49.17 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * po/LINGUAS: |
| 11:49.17 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * po/Makefile.in.in: |
| 11:49.19 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Add gettext and intltool support |
| 11:49.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * libmokoui/Makefile.am: |
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| 11:56.33 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: Werner Almesberger <werner at openmoko.org> Re: GPS GPL driver. |
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| 11:59.14 | buz | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadgetmobile/~3/113593197/ wtf 7.1 in a phone |
| 12:00.04 | buz | XorA: afaik neo's wiring is moto v360 compatible |
| 12:00.13 | buz | shouldnt be a problem to get THOSe adapters in big quantities |
| 12:01.23 | buz | as for the 1 wire thing, i udnerstand the concept, yet i dont know if you could abuse the mic port for some simple signalling? |
| 12:02.07 | SpeedEvil | Sure - short out the mic, and it can be told in software. |
| 12:04.59 | buz | "But on the internet I read that the iPhone might go with the Samsung s3c2460 chip," |
| 12:05.14 | buz | does that one have video acceleration? if not, i dont see how they would get that gui working |
| 12:05.47 | buz | uhm graphics acceleration i mean |
| 12:09.06 | XorA | buz: thats useful to know |
| 12:09.18 | balrog-kun | no, i don't think it has graphics acceleration |
| 12:11.07 | XorA | iphone is vapourware so no sense worrying about it |
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| 12:33.04 | guaqua | what was it about? |
| 12:33.07 | SpeedEvil | There were a couple of interesting pages of text, then guess what at the bottom. |
| 12:33.20 | SpeedEvil | A viagra advert. |
| 12:33.37 | guaqua | :D |
| 12:34.01 | SpeedEvil | 'Viagra Professional' ? |
| 12:34.10 | koen | one viagra per child? |
| 12:34.13 | SpeedEvil | Hoping never to need that. |
| 12:34.53 | koen | any volunteers to write the C app werner was talking about? |
| 12:35.23 | koen | <- not a C coder |
| 12:35.28 | XorA | what C app? |
| 12:35.41 | SpeedEvil | send data to the GPS |
| 12:36.03 | XorA | cat |
| 12:36.36 | koen | that's what I thought, but the experts say cat doesn't do the job |
| 12:37.28 | XorA | dd :-) |
| 12:39.32 | XorA | does it need some signalling lines wiggled? |
| 12:39.39 | roh | XorA the problem is just that closing and reopening the device wouuld propaply irritate the hammerhead or so |
| 12:39.40 | koen | no idea |
| 12:40.03 | koen | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2007-May/000900.html |
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| 12:41.10 | SpeedEvil | It has no RTS/CTS |
| 12:41.20 | SpeedEvil | opening and closing the device as such does not send data. |
| 12:41.35 | SpeedEvil | Of course. |
| 12:41.44 | SpeedEvil | If you're not listening when it sends data. |
| 12:41.51 | SpeedEvil | That means the data hits the bit bucket. |
| 12:42.04 | SpeedEvil | Which is the other problem with cat solution |
| 12:43.07 | SpeedEvil | I'd be wondering about minicom, and 'upload ascii' |
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| 12:54.38 | holtmann | How do I flash the boot loader through the debug board? I flashed the v3 boot loader into v4 hardware by accident. |
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| 12:56.45 | koen | holtmann: load the low-level-foo via jtag then the bootloader to ram |
| 12:57.11 | holtmann | Is there a wiki page with details. I flying blindly here. |
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| 12:57.26 | koen | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Devirginator |
| 12:57.45 | koen | the provided configs and scripts didn't work for me, but I could extract the needed info |
| 12:58.17 | hrw | I used devirginator with bv3 without problems |
| 12:58.44 | hrw | bv4 not yet here (yet) |
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| 13:17.33 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Bootable_USB_device_emulation]] [[Bootloader]] |
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| 13:41.51 | J_a_m_e_s | anyone here? |
| 13:41.51 | aloril | J_a_m_e_s: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 13:42.19 | J_a_m_e_s | hi i am having a problem, can anyone help? |
| 13:42.38 | J_a_m_e_s | with MokoMakeFile |
| 13:43.05 | hrw | which problem? |
| 13:43.15 | guaqua | not unless you provide with some info on the problem |
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| 13:43.57 | J_a_m_e_s | i'm trying to use qemu, so i type "make qemu" it downloads the stuff then comes up with this error: |
| 13:44.08 | J_a_m_e_s | james@james-ubuntu:~/Desktop$ make qemu |
| 13:44.08 | J_a_m_e_s | [ -e stamps/patches ] || \ |
| 13:44.08 | J_a_m_e_s | ( svn co http://svn.nslu2-linux.org//svnroot/.../trunk/patches patches ) |
| 13:44.08 | J_a_m_e_s | Checked out revision 93. |
| 13:44.08 | J_a_m_e_s | [ -e bitbake/patches ] && \ |
| 13:44.08 | J_a_m_e_s | ( cd bitbake ; quilt pop -a -f ) || true |
| 13:44.11 | J_a_m_e_s | ( cd bitbake ; svn revert -R . ) |
| 13:44.12 | J_a_m_e_s | cd: 1: can't cd to bitbake |
| 13:44.14 | J_a_m_e_s | svn: '.' is not a working copy |
| 13:44.17 | J_a_m_e_s | svn: Can't open file '.svn/entries': No such file or directory |
| 13:44.19 | J_a_m_e_s | make: *** [stamps/patches] Error 1 |
| 13:44.37 | hrw | do 'make setup' first |
| 13:44.44 | J_a_m_e_s | i have installed: sudo apt-get install qemu lynx netpbm |
| 13:44.46 | J_a_m_e_s | oh ok |
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| 13:45.01 | J_a_m_e_s | thank you |
| 13:45.08 | J_a_m_e_s | roll on mid may! |
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| 13:49.56 | J_a_m_e_s | do you know if i will be able to order a phone from the UK in mid may? |
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| 13:51.39 | madwoota | counter |
| 13:51.40 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week, 5 days 10:08:23 (12.422 +-3.5 days) (1071;191) |
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| 13:52.19 | J_a_m_e_s | nice! :D |
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| 13:56.01 | hrw | ~lart people w_h_i_c_h u_s_e n_i_c_k_s h_a_r_d t_o w_r_i_t_e |
| 13:56.01 | apt | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at people w_h_i_c_h u_s_e n_i_c_k_s h_a_r_d t_o w_r_i_t_e |
| 13:56.40 | koen | hard to read as well |
| 13:56.53 | hrw | lame in other word |
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| 13:57.45 | buz | mpf |
| 13:57.57 | buz | 2gb microsd: 26chf, 4gb microsdhc 110chf |
| 13:58.27 | mjr | and just look at the difference! |
| 13:58.37 | koen | how much is that in a non-monoploy currency? |
| 13:58.53 | mjr | nevertheless, it would be nice to know if the sdhcs work, but I'll almost certainly settle for a 2G one |
| 13:58.53 | hrw | 1gb microsd is <8 eur here |
| 13:59.03 | buz | 26 Swiss francs = 15.808Euros |
| 13:59.05 | hrw | ~change 26 chf to eur |
| 13:59.22 | hrw | buz: quite cheap |
| 13:59.28 | buz | yeah cant complain about that |
| 13:59.35 | buz | on top of it, microsdhc isnt even on stock anywhere |
| 14:00.12 | koen | .21 has the sdhc patch |
| 14:00.31 | buz | but we dont know yet if it works with neo right? |
| 14:01.12 | koen | the .21 kernel works |
| 14:01.25 | buz | i mean sdhc support |
| 14:01.34 | buz | i would hope that the kernel works |
| 14:01.35 | koen | root@neo1973:~# uname -a |
| 14:01.35 | koen | Linux neo1973 2.6.21.1-moko10 #1 PREEMPT Tue May 1 09:30:17 CEST 2007 armv4tl unknown unknown GNU/Linux |
| 14:01.59 | buz | ~lart lenovo |
| 14:01.59 | apt | overclocks lenovo until lenovo burns out |
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| 14:02.13 | webjames | i've changed my nick name |
| 14:02.24 | buz | those suckers wont ship my thinkpad |
| 14:02.52 | webjames | 'make setup' takes a while |
| 14:05.16 | webjames | 350.00 USD = 175.982 GBP can i assume that would be the selling price? |
| 14:05.17 | aloril | webjames: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 14:05.55 | buz | well that plus shipping cost |
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| 14:06.20 | buz | and probably vat |
| 14:06.26 | webjames | cool.. i just sold my K800i so that should cover it |
| 14:06.29 | hrw | and customs |
| 14:06.51 | buz | customs on electronics is usually very low |
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| 14:07.04 | webjames | vat aswell, i suppose, although a single unit would not have a customs fee possibly |
| 14:07.48 | buz | i'd expect a "in your hand price" of about 400usd |
| 14:07.58 | webjames | i see you guys seem to be around Europe as well, i guess we can expect similar shipping rates |
| 14:08.02 | buz | unless you live in a 20% vat country obviously |
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| 14:08.15 | webjames | haha, nearly 17.5% |
| 14:09.11 | hrw | brb |
| 14:09.13 | webjames | i think it's such a good idea, i hope Ubuntu will start supporting it's features |
| 14:09.24 | webjames | * |
| 14:09.47 | sannes | hm, 25% vat .. ugh |
| 14:10.01 | webjames | ugh indeed |
| 14:10.23 | webjames | how long does it take to complete 'make setup' on your computer? |
| 14:11.09 | guaqua | first time takes a long time |
| 14:11.15 | guaqua | cos the download mirror is slow |
| 14:12.20 | webjames | ahh is that what it's doing, i thought it was compiling something |
| 14:12.36 | webjames | revs in - 701/4,465 |
| 14:13.35 | guaqua | might take a while ;) |
| 14:13.54 | guaqua | it'll continue where it left if you break it |
| 14:14.05 | webjames | yeah.. :( i just wanted to see what it looked like in Qemu |
| 14:14.21 | koen | it's the price you pay for taking the easy route and not reading the docs |
| 14:14.37 | webjames | i did read the docs.. |
| 14:15.12 | koen | if you're pulling from scratch, you obviously didn't |
| 14:15.38 | webjames | i have tried using mokomakefile and typing make qemu, but it fails |
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| 14:17.06 | webjames | koen:what should i have done? |
| 14:20.08 | webjames | i think it was cos i did make qemu before, i've started again |
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| 14:22.14 | guaqua | webjames: read the manual |
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| 14:27.44 | webjames | i have been reading the manual, i've got it now, it was cos i downloaded the make qemu, then it was trying to update stuff |
| 14:28.06 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1894 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:28.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * libmokoui/Makefile.am: |
| 14:28.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-ui.h: |
| 14:28.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Added moko-ui.h to include all libmokoui headers |
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| 14:28.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Add copyright headers |
| 14:29.57 | Moo^^ | webjames: please paste your error message somewhere so could be more helpful |
| 14:30.46 | webjames | Moo^^:no no, you were very helpful and i'm sorted now. thank you |
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| 14:39.47 | Moo^^ | where is the list which tells which openembedded packages go to openmoko? |
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| 15:26.15 | buz | counter |
| 15:26.15 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week, 5 days 08:33:47 (12.357 +-3.5 days) (1073;192) |
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| 15:46.50 | abraxa__ | Moo^^: It's in packages/tasks/ |
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| 16:00.17 | Moo^^ | abraxa__: thanks! |
| 16:01.23 | abraxa__ | Moo^^: Thank CoreDump|afk, not me - I could find it for the life of me either ;) |
| 16:01.40 | abraxa__ | couldn't* |
| 16:02.16 | abraxa__ | And matter of fact my package gets included in the build process now but doesn't get installed. |
| 16:03.50 | CoreDump|afk | abraxa__: make sure it is added as _R_DEPENDS |
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| 16:05.40 | TRIsoft | gtg, cu |
| 16:06.30 | abraxa__ | CoreDump|afk: It is, I just put it in the finger task category where the calculator was already in |
| 16:07.20 | abraxa__ | The calculator does get built and installed, however my app only built (and the image/install dirs inside the work dir look just fine also) |
| 16:09.56 | CoreDump|afk | and you are absolutely sure that you rebuilt openmoko-task.bb? |
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| 16:11.22 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1897 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-dfu.patch: |
| 16:11.22 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * fix breakage of DFU upload (device->host pc) introduced in rev. 1803 |
| 16:11.22 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * turn debug message into real debug() rather than printf() |
| 16:12.11 | abraxa__ | CoreDump|afk: I did a "bitbake task-openmoko" after which parts of the toolchain were rebuilt |
| 16:12.52 | CoreDump|home | that would not rebuild task-openmoko unless you "bumped" its "PR" / version |
| 16:13.08 | abraxa__ | Hmm |
| 16:13.21 | CoreDump|home | bitbake -c clean $PATH_TO_BB ; bitbake -b $PATH_TO_BB forces a rebuild |
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| 16:14.17 | abraxa__ | Would bitbake's force option do the same? ie. "bitbake -f -b $PATH_TO_BB"? |
| 16:15.02 | CoreDump|home | I dunno actually, I made a script doing the two-step method above a looooong time ago |
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| 16:15.18 | abraxa__ | And that makes sense now since I cleaned my own package, not task-openmoko |
| 16:15.20 | CoreDump|home | (back in the day that way the only way to do it) |
| 16:15.24 | abraxa__ | Ah okay |
| 16:15.32 | abraxa__ | I'll try -f then and if it doesn't work... :) |
| 16:15.37 | CoreDump|home | ) |
| 16:15.39 | CoreDump|home | ;) |
| 16:16.00 | abraxa__ | Again, thanks a bunch! |
| 16:16.14 | abraxa__ | I think I'd waste even more time on this if you weren't around. |
| 16:17.47 | CoreDump|home | you're welcome 09 |
| 16:17.47 | Zigurd | Has anyone here brought up a Java on Openmoko? |
| 16:17.47 | aloril | Zigurd: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 16:17.48 | CoreDump|home | s/09/=) |
| 16:18.09 | Zigurd | I see that is still an open issue in the FAQ |
| 16:20.05 | mjr | Zigurd, there's been a lot of questions but fewer volunteers to actually do the job. One guy from Sun did say that he'd work for getting J2ME on OpenMoko (on the community list some months back) |
| 16:20.21 | falls_huang | I have a question , why neo1973 use jffs2 in nand flash instead of yaffs ? |
| 16:20.38 | falls_huang | I think yaffs is more fit for nand flash for jffs2 |
| 16:22.04 | Stephmw | mjr: jserv2 did put screenshots up of CacaoVM+Classpath |
| 16:22.14 | Stephmw | mjr: not J2ME, but it's *a* Java ;) |
| 16:22.20 | Zigurd | mjr, Interesting. I'm having an open source Java ported to an embedded graphics stack for a project I'm working on, but Openmoko is an interesting platform. |
| 16:22.30 | Zigurd | Might be worth adding. |
| 16:22.41 | Zigurd | Right, a real Java SE |
| 16:22.54 | Zigurd | cool! |
| 16:22.55 | Stephmw | what stack are you starting from for your own project? |
| 16:23.04 | Zigurd | Kaffe/Classpath |
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| 16:23.23 | Stephmw | you should hang around in #classpath ;) |
| 16:23.33 | Zigurd | MiniGUI for the graphics |
| 16:23.51 | Zigurd | Yeah, I shoudl |
| 16:27.17 | abraxa__ | falls_huang: I think you're better off asking that on the -devel mailing list |
| 16:27.44 | falls_huang | abraxa__, I see , thx ! |
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| 16:33.49 | webjames | when i go 'make setup' it takes ages, will it take this long when it comes to updating my phone when i get it? |
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| 16:34.30 | abraxa__ | webjames: Nope, what takes so long is fetching the monotone repository - the end-user doesn't need that |
| 16:34.45 | abraxa__ | webjames: Though... since you're running qemu I'm not sure make setup is even needed |
| 16:35.43 | webjames | i ran 'make qemu' and it gave me an error so i was told to run make setup |
| 16:35.46 | webjames | :( |
| 16:36.08 | abraxa__ | "make setup-env" should suffice |
| 16:36.09 | webjames | this is the error: |
| 16:36.14 | webjames | james@james-ubuntu:~/Desktop$ make qemu |
| 16:36.14 | webjames | [ -e stamps/patches ] || \ |
| 16:36.14 | webjames | ( svn co http://svn.nslu2-linux.org//svnroot/.../trunk/patches patches ) |
| 16:36.14 | webjames | Checked out revision 93. |
| 16:36.14 | webjames | [ -e bitbake/patches ] && \ |
| 16:36.15 | webjames | ( cd bitbake ; quilt pop -a -f ) || true |
| 16:36.17 | webjames | ( cd bitbake ; svn revert -R . ) |
| 16:36.19 | webjames | cd: 1: can't cd to bitbake |
| 16:36.21 | webjames | svn: '.' is not a working copy |
| 16:36.23 | webjames | svn: Can't open file '.svn/entries': No such file or directory |
| 16:36.27 | webjames | make: *** [stamps/patches] Error 1 |
| 16:36.37 | abraxa__ | Uh |
| 16:36.43 | CoreDump|home | webjames: please use pastebin in the future =) |
| 16:36.51 | abraxa__ | Yeah, I was about to say that, lol |
| 16:37.00 | webjames | whats pastebin? |
| 16:37.07 | CoreDump|home | ~pastebin |
| 16:37.09 | apt | pastebin is probably a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 16:37.09 | abraxa__ | But yeah, try a "make setup-env" and then "make qemu" |
| 16:37.18 | webjames | okay i'll try that |
| 16:38.33 | webjames | okay i've done that, now what? |
| 16:39.02 | webjames | okay i've got make qemu running |
| 16:39.09 | abraxa__ | Good ;3 |
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| 16:47.47 | webjames | okay i get this error: http://dpaste.com/9474/ |
| 16:48.33 | CoreDump|home | what the bloody hell |
| 16:48.51 | CoreDump|home | my god damn broker spam tripled over night WITF |
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| 16:50.25 | webjames | i've got ubuntu feisty installed with netpbm lynx and qemu |
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| 16:51.31 | webjames | any ideas? i've got make setup still running i spose i'll see if that works after. that other setup option didn't give me the bitbake dir that i think is needed |
| 16:52.00 | abraxa__ | webjames: "make setup-bitbake" |
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| 16:53.18 | webjames | okay i'll try that |
| 16:55.25 | webjames | okay now i get this error but the bitbake error has gone: http://dpaste.com/9475/ |
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| 16:59.59 | falls_huang | webjames, "cd: 1: can't cd to openembedded" ---> it seemed u lack openembedded dir in /home/moko |
| 17:00.07 | abraxa__ | webjames: That's interesting. |
| 17:00.27 | falls_huang | did u execute "make update && make setup" first ? |
| 17:00.32 | webjames | yeah, i guess i do need the whole 'make setup' it's nearly done now |
| 17:00.56 | webjames | i have it's still running, but apparently i shouldn't need to do that? |
| 17:02.52 | abraxa__ | webjames: Thing is that I don't see a reason why qemu should need OpenEmbedded - yet the makefile seems to insist that it's present |
| 17:03.09 | abraxa__ | rwhitby: Can you clear that up maybe when you're around again? :) |
| 17:03.19 | webjames | yeah.. in the FAQ it never mentions you need to run make setup, just make qemu |
| 17:03.51 | abraxa__ | webjames: Actually it does in the "Installation" paragraph - but it's overkill imo |
| 17:04.15 | webjames | i thought that was for if you wanted to install it not if you wanted to emulate it |
| 17:04.54 | falls_huang | which web browser is used by openmoko now ? |
| 17:05.14 | webjames | Internet explorer :p |
| 17:05.21 | webjames | (not really) |
| 17:05.24 | falls_huang | maybe epiphany ? |
| 17:05.44 | webjames | yeah, i think thats the gnome integrated one |
| 17:06.00 | webjames | although most gnome distro use firefox |
| 17:06.02 | abraxa__ | falls_huang: webkit will be used as far as I know |
| 17:06.15 | webjames | !webkit |
| 17:06.36 | falls_huang | webkit will be used in future . Now ,I started openmoko in qemu , and clicked Web , a web browser started, but I don't what it is |
| 17:06.56 | falls_huang | don't know what it is |
| 17:07.03 | abraxa__ | Ah |
| 17:08.01 | falls_huang | I executed "web" command in termianl of qemu-openmoko , it printed some stuffes includes "epiphany" |
| 17:08.15 | falls_huang | so I think maybe the /usr/bin/web is epiphany |
| 17:08.49 | abraxa__ | falls_huang: Actually it's "web" |
| 17:09.04 | abraxa__ | (quite the unique name...) |
| 17:10.02 | falls_huang | abraxa__: can u visit any web site in the "web" of openmoko-qemu ? |
| 17:11.49 | abraxa__ | I have no idea how OpenMoko within qemu would connect to the outside world so I'm quite certain that it won't work at this point |
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| 17:15.03 | webjames | how does one start qemu once one has run make qemu? |
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| 17:15.38 | abraxa__ | make qemu-run (but that's already done by make qemu) |
| 17:16.03 | abraxa__ | err run-qemu, not qemu-run |
| 17:16.56 | webjames | great another error: http://dpaste.com/9477/ |
| 17:17.38 | webjames | i have gcc 3.x, problem is i also have gcc 4.x |
| 17:18.33 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[ChangeLog]] |
| 17:18.53 | abraxa__ | Then you can use gcc-config to switch or edit qemu's makefile |
| 17:18.56 | abraxa__ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU has more |
| 17:19.13 | webjames | cool, thanks |
| 17:19.56 | abraxa__ | Welcome ;3 |
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| 17:22.50 | falls_huang | oh, I know what's the web in openmoko ---> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=web |
| 17:23.03 | falls_huang | --> openembedded/packages/web/web_svn.bb |
| 17:24.19 | falls_huang | the web is a toy :) |
| 17:25.02 | balrog-kun | i've never seen the "Bad fd number" error from qemu's configure |
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| 17:29.21 | webjames | abraxa__:i can't use gcc-config i don't have it on my system |
| 17:29.48 | abraxa__ | Ah okay... then you'll have to edit the makefile |
| 17:30.40 | webjames | i'm looking at the make file i cannot find where it says where the version is. you can use "gcc -V 3.3" to set the version |
| 17:32.01 | abraxa__ | It's in the MokoMakefile, line 262 |
| 17:32.45 | abraxa__ | --target-list=arm-softmmu ) becomes --target-list=arm-softmmu --cc=YOUR_GCC3_VERSION ) |
| 17:33.11 | abraxa__ | Then do a rm stamps/qemu and try again |
| 17:34.31 | webjames | abraxa__:awesome thank you very much |
| 17:34.50 | abraxa__ | No prob ;3 |
| 17:35.24 | webjames | abraxa__:like this: --target-list=arm-softmmu--cc=3.3 |
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| 17:35.45 | webjames | assuming my version is 3.3 |
| 17:35.45 | Nebukadneza | hi |
| 17:35.45 | webjames | howdy |
| 17:37.03 | Nebukadneza | i was just wondering about the eu-order of phase1 - its always said the openmoko is 350$ - will it be more expensive from eu-order due to customs duty, shipping, etc? (i mean like shipping from taiwan(?) to the eu-order-stock(?)) |
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| 17:38.17 | CoreDump|home | it is very likely that there will be at least one european distributor |
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| 17:41.01 | abraxa__ | webjames: Almost: --target-list=arm-softmmu -cc=gcc-3.3 |
| 17:41.10 | abraxa__ | err --cc |
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| 17:42.57 | Nebukadneza | CoreDump|home: i read a mailinglist post that stated that there will be one |
| 17:43.19 | Nebukadneza | other question is: how long after the "official" phase1 release will the eu distributor ship? |
| 17:44.19 | CoreDump|home | AFAIK that depends entirely on FIC ;) |
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| 17:44.26 | Nebukadneza | *g |
| 17:44.49 | balrog-kun | 4 days, 2 hours and 6 minutes |
| 17:45.19 | Nebukadneza | balrog-kun: hm? |
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| 17:46.52 | balrog-kun | i guess attempts to answer to "when" or "how long" questions are pointless, looking at the P0, and P1 releases |
| 17:47.26 | Nebukadneza | hm, okay ;P |
| 17:54.31 | webjames | okay, i've tried and tried i'm still getting this error: /home/james/Desktop/MOKO/openmoko/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/configure: 364: Syntax error: Bad fd number |
| 17:54.56 | webjames | what's that mean? i've put the --cc=gcc-3.3 in |
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| 17:55.25 | woglinde | /devel/arm/build:/devel/arm/org.openembedded.dev |
| 17:55.47 | Hopscotch | w |
| 17:56.03 | woglinde | ups |
| 17:56.05 | abraxa__ | webjames: When you type gcc-3.3 on a console and press the tab key, does it autocomplete it to something else? |
| 17:56.44 | balrog-kun | i don't think this error has anything to do with gcc versions anymore |
| 17:56.55 | webjames | nope it's just 3.3 or 3.4 |
| 17:57.08 | balrog-kun | looks like the script is not compatible with your shell or something |
| 17:57.08 | abraxa__ | balrog-kun: Just wanted to make sure |
| 17:57.35 | balrog-kun | qemu's configure is not a regular autoconf generated configure |
| 17:57.52 | webjames | how can i change my shell? |
| 17:57.53 | abraxa__ | webjames: what does a "set | grep SHELL" show? |
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| 17:58.29 | balrog-kun | hard to say, have you tried building mainline qemu from qemu.org lately? |
| 17:58.43 | webjames | SHELL=/bin/bash |
| 17:59.02 | abraxa__ | bash is good, *should* work then... |
| 17:59.18 | webjames | i got my qemu from the ubuntu repos, apt-get install qemu |
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| 18:01.03 | stephan | hi all |
| 18:01.10 | abraxa__ | Hellos |
| 18:01.21 | stephan | anybody here using gentoo |
| 18:01.23 | stephan | ? |
| 18:01.23 | aloril | stephan: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:01.27 | zecke | wow, it is 2007 and people can still get the shadow files using /../../../etc/.. in queries... |
| 18:01.36 | abraxa__ | stephan: Yep |
| 18:02.11 | thresh | nice OS then |
| 18:02.13 | woglinde | zecke I wonder why they use asp on unix |
| 18:02.21 | stephan | haev you tried geting openmoko qemu to work? |
| 18:03.06 | abraxa__ | stephan: Yup |
| 18:03.08 | balrog-kun | stephan: it works for me |
| 18:03.24 | abraxa__ | webjames: What's line 364 of the qemu configure? |
| 18:03.28 | stephan | ah ok so i am doing something wrong then... |
| 18:03.30 | stephan | thanks |
| 18:03.43 | abraxa__ | stephan: What's the problem you're having? |
| 18:04.06 | stephan | well it doesnt compile right |
| 18:04.22 | stephan | i have to look deeper in it then |
| 18:04.28 | webjames | braxa__:theres not a 364 in the makefile |
| 18:04.32 | webjames | abraxa__:theres not a 364 in the makefile |
| 18:04.42 | abraxa__ | webjames: I meant line number 364 ;) |
| 18:04.49 | abraxa__ | And not the makefile, the configure file |
| 18:05.00 | webjames | abraxa__:wheres that? |
| 18:05.04 | abraxa__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.13 | stephan | bye |
| 18:05.19 | zecke | woglinde: what should they use? php? |
| 18:06.24 | webjames | abraxa__:erm it says "fi" |
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| 18:06.55 | woglinde | zecke hehehehee |
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| 18:10.32 | abraxa__ | webjames: Uh okay... that doesn't help much at all... can you maybe shove the 20 lines before and after that "fi" into a pastebin? |
| 18:10.46 | loufoque | abraxa__: don't put stuff on your Desktop |
| 18:11.08 | abraxa__ | loufoque: That's webjames' system, not mine |
| 18:12.07 | abraxa__ | Same |
| 18:12.12 | zecke | ++CoreDump|home |
| 18:12.18 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 18:12.43 | webjames | abraxa__:okay i've done that: http://dpaste.com/9483/ |
| 18:14.43 | abraxa__ | webjames: Hmm, I don't see anything suspicious there... |
| 18:14.56 | webjames | no i'm not sure if it is the gcc version.. |
| 18:15.06 | balrog-kun | CoreDump|home: because they may do bad things to your files? |
| 18:15.17 | webjames | this bad fd thing flags up some weird results on google |
| 18:15.42 | webjames | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Bad+fd+number |
| 18:15.49 | CoreDump|home | balrog-kun: oh yeah. A single rogue Makefile / script would be enough to render your machine useless |
| 18:16.19 | webjames | something to do with the bash not being bash but dash |
| 18:16.21 | balrog-kun | CoreDump|home: well, yeah (or at least your account), but then anything you run may do that |
| 18:17.21 | webjames | abraxa__:i'm running ubuntu 7.04 btw |
| 18:17.59 | abraxa__ | webjames: Yeah, that's why I was asking for SHELL earlier |
| 18:18.11 | CoreDump|home | balrog-kun: I agree, but on my host system I trust Debian that they know what they are doing. I do not have the same trust into each of the 4000+ OE .bbs =) |
| 18:18.38 | abraxa__ | webjames: What does a "ls -l /bin/bash" show btw? |
| 18:18.42 | webjames | abraxa__:and it said it was bash didn't it.. hmm maybe |
| 18:19.09 | balrog-kun | CoreDump|home: true |
| 18:19.32 | webjames | abraxa__: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 700560 2007-04-11 00:32 /bin/bash |
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| 18:19.56 | balrog-kun | webjames: which of the lines in http://dpaste.com/9483/ is 364? |
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| 18:20.39 | abraxa__ | webjames: And "ls -l /bin/sh"? |
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| 18:21.50 | webjames | http://dpaste.com/9484/ i've highlighted line 364 |
| 18:22.11 | balrog-kun | humm |
| 18:22.19 | webjames | abraxa__: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-04-27 12:24 /bin/sh -> dash |
| 18:22.29 | abraxa__ | Ah, there we go |
| 18:22.36 | abraxa__ | Gotta make that a symlink to bash then |
| 18:22.50 | balrog-kun | the only suspicious thing is the >& redirection, line 10, but i'm not a bash guru |
| 18:22.54 | abraxa__ | rm /bin/sh; ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh |
| 18:24.33 | Sufflope | counter? |
| 18:24.33 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week, 5 days 05:35:29 (12.233 +-3.5 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-13); 4 months, a week, 6 days (136.733 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (1074;192) |
| 18:24.50 | balrog-kun | if that works, please add a hint to the wiki Talk page |
| 18:25.25 | abraxa__ | balrog-kun: It actually is already in the wiki on the MokoMakefile page - just easy to overlook, it seems |
| 18:25.51 | balrog-kun | ah okay :) |
| 18:25.57 | webjames | abraxa__: ok i just ran that line, now i go to run 'make qemu' and it says: make: /bin/sh: Command not found |
| 18:26.16 | abraxa__ | chmod a+x /bin/sh |
| 18:26.45 | quitte_ | SpeedEvil: do you have a blog, a webpage or similar detailing your car hacking attempts? |
| 18:26.52 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 18:27.02 | webjames | abraxa__: chmod: cannot access `/bin/sh': No such file or directory |
| 18:27.24 | abraxa__ | Did you do the rm/ln steps as root? |
| 18:27.44 | webjames | nope, but then i did |
| 18:28.10 | webjames | i mean i didn't then i thought i ought to so i then ran it again as root |
| 18:28.29 | abraxa__ | Then do the chmod and all should be fine |
| 18:29.13 | webjames | okay that's sorted now seems to be making |
| 18:29.28 | webjames | i just relinked it again as you said |
| 18:29.45 | abraxa__ | Good :) |
| 18:31.22 | webjames | abraxa__: says now: ERROR: QEMU requires SDL or Cocoa for graphical output. i think that means it's worked |
| 18:31.50 | abraxa__ | Yup! And it means you need to install libsdl ;) |
| 18:31.57 | loufoque | "ERROR" doesn't mean things worked. |
| 18:32.44 | balrog-kun | for an optimist it does |
| 18:34.49 | MacNorth | new errors //always// mean things are working more than they did :) |
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| 18:35.37 | webjames | abraxa__: in my synaptic i have about 30 libsdl... files |
| 18:35.47 | webjames | how do i know which ones to tick? |
| 18:38.05 | balrog-kun | you need one that ends in -dev or -devel, probably 1.2, and doesn't say anyting like Audio, Net, etc |
| 18:38.45 | webjames | abraxa__: cool, i have just ticked it and it's installing now. brilliant! |
| 18:41.19 | webjames | abraxa__: seems to be working then lots of errors: ... http://dpaste.com/9487/ |
| 18:45.08 | balrog-kun | umm |
| 18:45.28 | balrog-kun | you need a space between --target-list=arm-softmmu and --cc |
| 18:46.45 | balrog-kun | actually you don't need the --cc at all it seems, because it got autodetected |
| 18:46.52 | webjames | ahh... |
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| 18:47.11 | SpeedEvil | quitte_: I have been planning on making the Megasquirt ECU I'm running controllable through the neo. |
| 18:47.30 | SpeedEvil | quitte_: There is already some OSS code out there. |
| 18:47.56 | SpeedEvil | s/running/going to be running/ |
| 18:48.13 | webjames | balrog-kun: thanks |
| 18:48.23 | SpeedEvil | I think hard-real-time on the neo, with it controlling the injectors and sparks might, while fun, be a mistake. |
| 18:48.30 | webjames | balrog-kun: same error though |
| 18:48.41 | balrog-kun | webjames: can you pastebin again? |
| 18:48.57 | webjames | okay |
| 18:49.38 | webjames | balrog-kun: http://dpaste.com/9488/ |
| 18:50.13 | balrog-kun | it doesn't seem to rerun ./configure |
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| 18:51.28 | balrog-kun | maybe removing config-host.{mak,h} would for MokoMakefile to rerun configure, i haven't read the MokoMakefile yet |
| 18:51.40 | balrog-kun | s/for/force/ |
| 18:53.17 | balrog-kun | oh, it says [ -e build/qemu/Makefile ] || \ |
| 18:53.28 | balrog-kun | i think this is the file that needs removing |
| 18:54.11 | webjames | which file to i delete? |
| 18:54.34 | balrog-kun | build/qemu/Makefile |
| 18:54.48 | webjames | ok |
| 18:55.56 | balrog-kun | oh, MokoMakefile does out-of-tree configuring and building, this is smart |
| 18:56.07 | balrog-kun | i didn't know it even works with qemu's makefiles |
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| 18:58.08 | webjames | balrog-kun: still alot of errors: http://dpaste.com/9491/ |
| 18:58.43 | balrog-kun | do you have zlib header installed? |
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| 18:59.24 | balrog-kun | i'm going to add a mention of the zlib requirement in the wiki |
| 18:59.32 | hrw | balrog-kun: pong |
| 18:59.35 | webjames | yeah |
| 18:59.45 | webjames | i have just installed that now |
| 18:59.46 | balrog-kun | hrw: timed-out ;) |
| 19:00.07 | hrw | balrog-kun: ;D |
| 19:00.25 | hrw | balrog-kun: what was it? |
| 19:00.26 | webjames | yeah it's making now... |
| 19:00.27 | quitte_ | SpeedEvil: hmm. shouldnt the ecu be able to operate mostly autonomously?+ |
| 19:00.51 | quitte_ | after all it's quite security relevant. |
| 19:01.03 | balrog-kun | hrw: i was told to ask you for a minimal rootfs for regression testing as you might be able to easily produce one from poky or OE, one such image was needed to qemu.org downloads section |
| 19:01.08 | webjames | balrog-kun: for your info: it's called zlib1g-dev in ubuntu |
| 19:01.40 | hrw | balrog-kun: ah. yes - we discussed it today in OH |
| 19:01.50 | hrw | balrog-kun: gratulations for qemu code acceptation |
| 19:01.52 | quitte_ | SpeedEvil: can you give me some urls on that? i didnt know there was any free ecu software |
| 19:02.16 | balrog-kun | hrw: in the end i took a kernel from pokylinux.org and unpacked a couple of ipk's from angstrom-distribution.org feeds and it produced a very nice HD rootfs |
| 19:02.27 | balrog-kun | thanks :) |
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| 19:08.32 | webjames | its working!!! :D :D |
| 19:08.56 | webjames | thank you so much! balrog-kun and abraxa__ |
| 19:09.23 | abraxa__ | Glad to help ;3 |
| 19:10.03 | balrog-kun | :) |
| 19:10.11 | abraxa__ | Hope you'll stick around and help make OpenMoko the best platform for mobile users ;p |
| 19:10.41 | hrw | balrog-kun: during day it is easier to catch me using Jabber then irc |
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| 19:15.52 | balrog-kun | hrw: okay, good to know |
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| 19:16.10 | hrw | balrog-kun: my OH account or hrw@jabber.org |
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| 19:17.33 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[MokoMakefile]] |
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| 19:24.17 | webjames | abraxa__: i'll be sticking around, just had a quick play around it's looking good |
| 19:25.11 | webjames | abraxa__: i'm an open source convert since november last year, used to have XP now have ubuntu, used to have a sony erricson now i'll have openmoko! |
| 19:26.04 | abraxa__ | Haha awesome =) |
| 19:26.52 | webjames | why when it starts up does it have a nice background, and the dialer icons then they dissapear as doe sthe background and it goes blue/grey |
| 19:28.08 | abraxa__ | I'm not quite sure what exactly you're refering to but keep in mind it's still being majorly worked on - so the screenshots on the wiki is what it'll eventually look like and the current state shouldn't put you off |
| 19:28.43 | webjames | i think it looks great already considering the short time its had to develop! |
| 19:29.36 | abraxa__ | Ah, I misunderstood then... and yup, that it does :) |
| 19:30.24 | webjames | well done all. v impressed |
| 19:30.45 | webjames | i like the web browser |
| 19:34.40 | webjames | haha, a terminal on a phone.. brilliant |
| 19:35.05 | Zagrophyte | Wow, there's an emulator? |
| 19:35.05 | aloril | Zagrophyte: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:35.46 | webjames | Zagrophyte: yeah! it give you a little taster, and my o my does it taste good |
| 19:36.45 | Zagrophyte | I've recently switched to Ubuntu as my primary OS at home, excited about the prospect of a lunux phone as well |
| 19:36.56 | Zagrophyte | *linux |
| 19:37.42 | webjames | Zagrophyte: me to, only switched a few months ago, still have to use xp at university and i realise how bad it was! |
| 19:38.03 | woglinde | webjames we can choose |
| 19:38.05 | abraxa__ | What made you two switch btw? |
| 19:38.08 | Zagrophyte | Yeah, I dual boot win2003 |
| 19:38.21 | hrw|gone | cu |
| 19:38.25 | woglinde | bye hrw |
| 19:38.26 | Zagrophyte | Well, I just got tired of the blandness, saw how nice Beryl was, and certainly wasn't going for vista |
| 19:38.35 | webjames | woglinde: you can choose at university, we can in certain rooms. but thats only jsut come in |
| 19:38.44 | Zagrophyte | Also wanted to get away from all the pirated apps |
| 19:38.50 | woglinde | webjames we have windows and linux pc's |
| 19:39.28 | pjz | Zagrophyte: you should reclaim your dualboot space by running win2k3 in a virtual machine when you need it |
| 19:39.50 | pjz | Zagrophyte: plus, it makes that box a bit easier to back up :) |
| 19:39.51 | woglinde | pjz yes |
| 19:39.52 | webjames | abraxa__: xp corrupted all my video file header so none of them would play, weird, i'd tried linux before redhat, suse, but ubuntu just worked which was good for me |
| 19:40.02 | Moo^^ | ltrace build fails for qemux86 target. does anyone has this problem? |
| 19:40.18 | Zagrophyte | pjz: I probably will, is there any easy ways to transition a partition into a virtual hard disk file? |
| 19:40.20 | webjames | vmware server is free |
| 19:40.24 | Moo^^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.31 | pjz | Zagrophyte: yeah, VMware has some tools to do that |
| 19:40.59 | Zagrophyte | I don't boot into windows really, it's so weird going back into it |
| 19:41.04 | abraxa__ | Moo^^: Never seen that one... did you check bugzilla yet? |
| 19:41.05 | pjz | Zagrophyte: start out by getting VMware running though; you'll have to do a little patching to make it work |
| 19:41.19 | balrog-kun | VMware is closed-source |
| 19:41.23 | webjames | only thing i miss is being able to play my old fav games |
| 19:41.31 | Zagrophyte | The only thing I see keeping it around for is games and Visual Studio stuff |
| 19:41.36 | balrog-kun | qemu runs win2003 really nice |
| 19:41.47 | pjz | balrog-kun: oh? interesting |
| 19:41.57 | abraxa__ | webjames: There's wine and dosbox |
| 19:42.04 | webjames | i've only just heard of qemu doing this openmoko emulation |
| 19:42.07 | Zagrophyte | I've heard things about Cedega too |
| 19:42.08 | balrog-kun | virtual box is also opensource |
| 19:42.14 | pjz | Zagrophyte: balrog-kun says qemu will run 2k3 just fine for you; I haven't tried it, but that sounds better than VMware actaully |
| 19:42.22 | woglinde | abraxa yeah but not all games are running smooth |
| 19:42.25 | abraxa__ | Cedega is just for the REALLY, REALLY major games... anything else is pretty much unsupported |
| 19:42.30 | woglinde | nfsu for example |
| 19:42.47 | balrog-kun | Cedega also doesn't play nicely with oepnsource projects |
| 19:42.51 | Moo^^ | abraxa__: nohits |
| 19:42.53 | woglinde | yeah but cedega costs |
| 19:42.59 | webjames | abraxa__: yeah i've tried wine, it's nearly there. it's jedi knight dark forces II i want to play at the moment |
| 19:43.18 | balrog-kun | winde supports many of the same software and is entirely free (as in freedom) |
| 19:43.19 | webjames | cedega just freezes my computer when i load it |
| 19:43.25 | balrog-kun | *wine |
| 19:44.12 | webjames | also cedega just takes advantage of what wine has been doing all along, most of the dev in cedega is the gui |
| 19:44.23 | Zagrophyte | ah |
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| 19:44.31 | Zagrophyte | I love NX Server |
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| 19:44.43 | Zagrophyte | Esepcially the citrix-like parts |
| 19:44.57 | Zagrophyte | serving gimp and firefox to my work pc, etc |
| 19:45.06 | webjames | balrog-kun: is the 'messages' thing meant to work? |
| 19:45.34 | balrog-kun | webjames: which one? |
| 19:45.53 | webjames | its an icon on the Home screen |
| 19:46.36 | webjames | balrog-kun: i click the sand timer goes round then disappears and nothing comes up |
| 19:46.42 | balrog-kun | oh must have been added recently |
| 19:46.51 | balrog-kun | many things don't work yet |
| 19:47.00 | webjames | it's amazing how fast it's developed |
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| 19:47.31 | webjames | they are releasing the phones in a matter of days though? |
| 19:48.04 | Zagrophyte | I'm afraid to install wine ;) |
| 19:48.09 | Zagrophyte | Is it huge/bloaty? |
| 19:48.17 | webjames | nope |
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| 19:48.55 | webjames | i used it to run dreamweaver and flash when we had to do a project with it, it was brilliant |
| 19:49.05 | Zagrophyte | Funniest thing though, to play Continuum, unless they fixed wine since the page's instructions were posted, to play it I have to download the entire 3gb source for wine and recompile it after fixing one line of code :/ |
| 19:49.28 | Zagrophyte | So that gave me a bad impression from the get-go :D |
| 19:49.40 | Zagrophyte | (Continuum is a tiny space shooter game) |
| 19:50.10 | Zagrophyte | I'll give it a try tonight |
| 19:50.20 | Zagrophyte | (wine, not recompiling the source, haha) |
| 19:51.03 | webjames | whats the icon on the status bar at the bottom right? |
| 19:53.55 | webjames | do you think you will be able to put a password on it? like a pin? |
| 19:54.07 | Moo^^ | abraxa__: added full trace back here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Talk:Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr |
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| 20:04.37 | webjames | anyway thanks alot for all the help, i'll be buying one of these in a few days! very exciting, to my fellow Europeans i hope shipping isn't too much! |
| 20:05.34 | webjames | take care, bye |
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| 20:10.19 | abraxa__ | "i'll be buying one of these in a few days" - man, I wish. |
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| 20:17.03 | MacNorth | i've been saying that since the new year |
| 20:18.50 | MacNorth | i should just get a tibetan prayer wheel instead. save the vocal chords and keyboard :-D |
| 20:18.50 | Nebukadneza | hm |
| 20:18.51 | Nebukadneza | why that? |
| 20:18.52 | MacNorth | each time a prayer wheel revolves, the prayer is 'said' |
| 20:18.52 | MacNorth | would also help direct the energy from anticipation |
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| 20:32.40 | Nebukadneza | hrm |
| 20:33.34 | balrog-kun | what if it directs the energy the opposite direction and the release is delayed? |
| 20:33.56 | Nebukadneza | balrog-kun: if you know the release is delayed |
| 20:34.07 | Nebukadneza | then you know you directed the energy the wrong way |
| 20:34.14 | Nebukadneza | and start turning the wheel in the other direction |
| 20:34.30 | balrog-kun | oh, that might work |
| 20:34.38 | Nebukadneza | buuuut |
| 20:34.55 | Nebukadneza | how about us stopping to make fun of the only religion on this planet not having killed vast numbers of people so far? |
| 20:35.14 | abraxa__ | buddhism? |
| 20:35.19 | balrog-kun | i tried the trick with using a microwave as a fridge by spinning the plate the opposite direction but it didn't work as well as i expected |
| 20:35.22 | Nebukadneza | abraxa__: yup |
| 20:35.57 | abraxa__ | Yeah, it's the reason why buddhism is the only religion I think is actually civilized enough to be respected |
| 20:36.29 | Nebukadneza | yes |
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| 20:44.15 | rwhitby | abraxa__: I'll look into MokoMakefile qemu depending on OE - you're right, it shouldn't need that dependency, unles you're doing the qemu-flash-local target. |
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| 20:44.48 | abraxa__ | rwhitby: Thank you :) |
| 20:44.50 | hrw | rwhitby: can you test in mokomakefile does OE has proper revision and not pull if it does? |
| 20:45.08 | rwhitby | hrw: already does that |
| 20:45.14 | hrw | cool |
| 20:45.32 | rwhitby | for make update at least. |
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| 20:45.58 | rwhitby | and make setup won't pull if it's been done at least once successfully before |
| 20:47.17 | hrw | rwhitby: does 'make update' also check for update to makefile? |
| 20:47.35 | rwhitby | no, you have to "make update-makefile" for that. |
| 20:48.03 | hrw | I see |
| 20:48.11 | rwhitby | that may change in the future when it moves back to projects.openmoko.org |
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| 20:48.37 | hrw | I am asking because today I had to debug why one user had a problem with builds. He had old makefile with floating OE head |
| 20:49.23 | rwhitby | yeah, I'm open to preferences on that one. |
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| 20:49.47 | rwhitby | you need to do make update-makefile separately anyway, cause it changes the makefile, which could change the behaviour of the rest of the make update sub-targets. |
| 20:50.20 | rwhitby | so you either need to do make update-makefile ; make update or make update ; make update (if make update updated the makefile automatically) to be sure. |
| 20:52.03 | hrw | or let it do 'make check-makefile' during 'make update' with infos when update is available? |
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| 20:52.29 | rwhitby | hrw: yep, could easily do that. |
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| 20:56.11 | don-o | country |
| 20:56.14 | don-o | counter |
| 20:56.14 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week, 5 days 03:03:48 (12.128 +-3.5 days) (1075;192) |
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| 20:59.35 | mr007 | Good morning/day/evening all. |
| 21:00.31 | mr007 | Anyone knows whether the NEO1973 is available for purchase? |
| 21:00.31 | aloril | mr007: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 21:00.37 | hrw | phase0 devs will get own p1 devices soon |
| 21:01.12 | mr007 | Soon being days? |
| 21:01.41 | minime | any news coming up one planet.openmoko? |
| 21:02.50 | mr007 | Also - there how does one qualify for phase0 dev status? I haven't seen that covered in the FAQ or elsewhere. |
| 21:03.16 | mjr | the next production run should be 10th, the one after that 20th, limited sales should be starting around those AFAIK |
| 21:03.31 | mjr | phase 0 is over |
| 21:03.44 | woglinde | p0 was vitamin b |
| 21:03.52 | mr007 | I see :) |
| 21:03.56 | mjr | or well, not over, but the phones were delivered quite a while ago already |
| 21:04.11 | mjr | it's not really over over until p1 starts, of course... |
| 21:04.26 | mr007 | So - what's a realistic date for someone who wants to start developing on the platform/for the platform and joins now? |
| 21:04.59 | abraxa__ | You can develop now already |
| 21:05.15 | mr007 | Yes, but I need the device/dev. board to do something meaningful. |
| 21:05.25 | hrw | really? |
| 21:05.41 | mr007 | Yes. For the purposes of what I intend to develop. |
| 21:07.45 | mr007 | So - can anyone shed some light on the availability for developers who join in now? I'd appreciate that. |
| 21:08.26 | woglinde | wait and pay $350? |
| 21:08.45 | mr007 | I'm prepared to pay. Question is - how long do I have to wait. |
| 21:08.49 | abraxa__ | My personal estimate is late May/early June because the first factory run is scheduled for May 10th |
| 21:09.05 | mr007 | Thanks, abraxa. |
| 21:09.30 | abraxa__ | Well, maybe we're lucky and they ship 5 days after the first run... no one knows :) |
| 21:09.47 | mr007 | Who'd be the best person to contact for early purchase? |
| 21:10.04 | abraxa__ | No one - Sean will make an announcement on the announcement mailing list |
| 21:10.13 | mr007 | I see. |
| 21:10.31 | abraxa__ | At that point openmoko.com should become available and the 3800+ subscribers to that list will begin a DDoS |
| 21:10.36 | mr007 | Another question - for those who already tried the device - how good is the cellular functioning? |
| 21:11.03 | abraxa__ | There's a video on YouTube that shows bits |
| 21:11.13 | abraxa__ | Searching for the Neo brings it up |
| 21:11.35 | mr007 | Ok. I'll try. But was wondering whether anyone actually tried it and can give a personal testimony. |
| 21:12.08 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: It's still pretty rough. |
| 21:12.35 | mr007 | Can it hold a steady GPRS connection for a while? |
| 21:12.53 | mr007 | A while=10's of minutes. |
| 21:12.58 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: If you would give us a hint about your application and or detailed question we could perhaps help you better... |
| 21:13.49 | mr007 | I'm interested in developing some things that run over GPRS/EDGE. The application should have a steady datalink for 10's of minutes. |
| 21:13.51 | thomasg__ | erm, I think a continuous connection is no problem, as long there are no incoming/outgoing calls or sms messages |
| 21:13.54 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: alphaone suggested that pavelm has tried it. There should be a wiki article |
| 21:14.22 | mr007 | Thanks, stefan. I presume it's on planet? |
| 21:15.03 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: wiki.openmoko.org |
| 21:15.15 | mr007 | Got it. Thanks for the inputs. |
| 21:15.31 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: I never tested it with mine though |
| 21:15.37 | mr007 | Would it be too much to ask to give it a run, stefan? |
| 21:15.47 | alphaone | mr007: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPRS |
| 21:16.18 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: sorry no time for it the next days. Really busy. Just looked into channel for a 5 minute break |
| 21:17.08 | mr007 | Thanks for the help, guys. I hope to be able to get a device very soon. |
| 21:17.21 | alphaone | mr007: The biggest blocker for continous connection (while traveling) is probably crappy coverage |
| 21:17.33 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr]] |
| 21:18.03 | mr007 | alphaone - that's an issue with any GSM phone. |
| 21:18.16 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: I think hardware is fine with your needs and software is fixable. |
| 21:18.30 | mr007 | I'm wondering whether there are rough edges in Neo GSM implementation that make the problem more severe. |
| 21:19.05 | alphaone | mr007: Yeah. Just wanted to point out that this will be the main issue. |
| 21:19.22 | mr007 | That's encouraging to hear, alphaone. |
| 21:19.42 | mr007 | Would rather focus on the application itself than debug the GSM rough edges. |
| 21:19.46 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: yeah, there *are* rough edges as this phone is available 4 month before mass market. :) But if you find a bug and can reproduce it, report it and we will fix it. :) |
| 21:19.55 | alphaone | mr007: Well thing are still in flux pretty much that we don't really worry about that yet. |
| 21:19.56 | mr007 | Cool :) |
| 21:20.47 | mr007 | BTW - I've got some comments/suggestions for the installation HOWTO. Who do I address these to? |
| 21:20.59 | hrw | wiki? |
| 21:21.15 | alphaone | If wiki then Talk: page? |
| 21:21.44 | mr007 | Ok. |
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| 21:24.41 | abraxa__ | stefan_schmidt / alphaone: You two part of the Braunschweig Connection (TM) by chance? |
| 21:25.29 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa__: For sure. :) |
| 21:25.47 | abraxa__ | Somehow I got that impression... ;) |
| 21:26.24 | mr007 | Another question guys - is the dev. board availabel for purchase now and is it functional enough to establish a data connection over cellular? |
| 21:26.41 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa__: heh, right now alphaone an me sitting here and hack on footer and applets |
| 21:27.13 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: P1 is the dev board. |
| 21:27.20 | alphaone | abraxa__: Yup :-) |
| 21:27.30 | mr007 | Oh, I see. |
| 21:27.42 | abraxa__ | stefan_schmidt: Oh cool... and I'm still wondering whether the server rack you have in the living room is operating or not - and if it is... how the hell you guys manage to sleep |
| 21:27.47 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: Should be a complete phone from the hardware side. |
| 21:28.05 | woglinde | mr007 you can even call with p0 phones |
| 21:28.06 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa__: That's the one from alphaone |
| 21:28.08 | alphaone | abraxa__: That's mine :-) |
| 21:28.17 | mr007 | Is it packaged as a phone or as a dev board? |
| 21:28.17 | abraxa__ | *laughs* |
| 21:28.25 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: phone |
| 21:28.33 | mr007 | Got it. |
| 21:28.56 | abraxa__ | So is it operating or just postmodern interior design? |
| 21:28.57 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: If your search on flickr for Neo1973 you should find some photos from koen of his P0 package |
| 21:29.23 | alphaone | abraxa__: It's actually not that loud. Only one switch and my server making noise in there and through the rack it's actually less noisy than without. :-) |
| 21:30.11 | alphaone | stefan_schmidt: You're just jealous because it didn't fit in your room :-) |
| 21:30.26 | abraxa__ | Ooh okay... I'm disappointed now - I was hoping you'd be even more hardcore than the pictures already depict you ;) |
| 21:30.30 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa__: And don't ask how we get this into the 13th floor without elevator. |
| 21:30.40 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: righto |
| 21:31.05 | alphaone | abraxa__: We got it for free from a bank that closed their branch. |
| 21:31.19 | abraxa__ | Why should I ask? I'm 110% sure you guys are Trekkies so you just beamed it. |
| 21:31.25 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa__: http://projects.totalueberwachung.de/hummerc |
| 21:31.26 | alphaone | abraxa__: No, I *am* hardcore. :-) |
| 21:31.47 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa__: I think I don't need to tell more. :) |
| 21:32.01 | alphaone | Heh |
| 21:32.58 | abraxa__ | Just curious... why did you choose WiFi instead of e.h. ZigBee? |
| 21:33.00 | abraxa__ | e.g.* |
| 21:33.04 | alphaone | All these projects...and still not finished. *sigh* |
| 21:34.55 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: Here are some from mine: http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/IMG_8372.JPG.html |
| 21:34.55 | alphaone | abraxa__: Wifi has a larger range. The idea was (still is when I get some free time) to be able to drive around campus where they have WLAN coverage. |
| 21:35.03 | abraxa__ | ohh |
| 21:35.05 | stefan_schmidt | http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/IMG_8375.JPG.html |
| 21:35.15 | stefan_schmidt | http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/DSCN2121.JPG.html |
| 21:35.20 | abraxa__ | Okay, that just qualified you as geeky enough ;D |
| 21:35.26 | stefan_schmidt | http://sicherheitsschwankung.de/gallery/v/openmoko/IMG_8401.JPG.html |
| 21:35.43 | alphaone | With a different AP I could also connect a USB webcam. |
| 21:36.12 | stefan_schmidt | Anyway, enough full disclosure today. Now everybody know that alphaone is geeky and I can go back to work. ;) |
| 21:36.29 | abraxa__ | lol |
| 21:37.08 | abraxa__ | I'll hopefully meet you guys one day... and I'm confident already that it's gonna be fun |
| 21:37.28 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa__: It's always fun. :) |
| 21:37.37 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa__: LinuxTag embedded day? |
| 21:37.56 | alphaone | abraxa__: guadec, camp, linuxtag |
| 21:37.59 | abraxa__ | It is tempting but I'm not sure I can afford the trip |
| 21:38.42 | stefan_schmidt | abraxa__: IIRC you live in the near of FAM? |
| 21:38.48 | mr007 | Thanks, stefan. Looks just what I need :) |
| 21:39.01 | mr007 | Looks=Looks like |
| 21:39.01 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: good :) |
| 21:39.11 | alphaone | OpenMoko has their own village at the Chaos Communication Camp :-) |
| 21:39.12 | LarstiQ | alphaone: chaos camp? |
| 21:39.26 | alphaone | Well, the GSM Village. But so far nobody seems responsible for organization. |
| 21:39.33 | alphaone | lardman|gone: yup |
| 21:39.43 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: Just keep in mind that the doughter baord, JTAG and serial, is not in the default package. It's in the Hacker's Lunchbox. |
| 21:39.44 | abraxa__ | alphaone: Any more information about the CC Camp? |
| 21:39.56 | Hopscotch | stefan_schmidt: mokoparty? |
| 21:40.09 | stefan_schmidt | Hopscotch: Where, camp? |
| 21:40.09 | mr007 | That's what I meant - the hacker's lunchbox is exactly what I need :) |
| 21:40.15 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: ah, ok. :) |
| 21:40.17 | Hopscotch | stefan_schmidt: i meant the photos |
| 21:40.23 | alphaone | abraxa__: http://events.ccc.de/camp/2007 |
| 21:40.27 | stefan_schmidt | Hopscotch: heh, yes |
| 21:40.40 | Hopscotch | stefan_schmidt: on the camp there'll be a party anyways :) |
| 21:41.01 | mr007 | Another question - is the GSM s/w part also open sourced or is it following the sorry steps of Motorola and Greenphone? |
| 21:41.07 | stefan_schmidt | Hopscotch: All three phones arrived the same day. We jumped in our openmoko shirts and started the fun. :) |
| 21:41.29 | Hopscotch | p0 phones? |
| 21:41.36 | Hopscotch | or are you on p1? |
| 21:41.36 | alphaone | mr007: All the software in userspace is open source. |
| 21:41.45 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: You mean the GSM stack itself? |
| 21:41.57 | mr007 | Yes, the stack itself. |
| 21:42.04 | LarstiQ | alphaone: cool, hope to see you there then |
| 21:42.05 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: That one is closed and only available through AT commands |
| 21:42.08 | alphaone | Well, with the possible exception of the GPS daemon. |
| 21:42.18 | mr007 | Sad... :( |
| 21:42.30 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: Sorry, no chance to get this open. At least not the next years I guess. :( |
| 21:42.46 | mr007 | Is that regulatory considerations or company considerations? |
| 21:42.56 | stefan_schmidt | Hopscotch: All P0 atm. |
| 21:42.59 | drath | what could you do if this was open? |
| 21:43.02 | alphaone | mr007: Regulatory. |
| 21:43.03 | drath | the gsm stack |
| 21:43.09 | mr007 | Got it. |
| 21:43.17 | abraxa__ | alphaone: That sounds really good, too =) |
| 21:43.22 | mr007 | drath: Naturally - alter some parts of it :) |
| 21:43.37 | stefan_schmidt | drath: You could do a lot. :) Think about all the nice security holes... ;) |
| 21:43.39 | alphaone | I guess the providers fear (probably right so) that if the GSM stack was opened people could do *serious* bs with their network |
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| 21:44.06 | alphaone | LarstiQ: I'm looking forward to it. |
| 21:44.08 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone: We will see what the gsm-scanner project will bring us here. :) |
| 21:44.22 | drath | heh, ok |
| 21:44.25 | alphaone | http://wiki.thc.org/gsm |
| 21:44.28 | Moo^^ | I am trying to run Openmoko in nested X11 server. All images are missing and no application will start (except main menu). |
| 21:44.40 | Moo^^ | could someone point me to the right direction? |
| 21:44.41 | alphaone | That's the other project that has joined the GSM Village |
| 21:44.50 | alphaone | I'm looking forward to meeting them. |
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| 21:45.30 | alphaone | Moo^^: Set PATH appropriately? |
| 21:45.34 | stefan_schmidt | drath: More serious. I always prefer open standards. And we like to help them to get the bugs fixed. |
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| 21:46.33 | mr007 | Is the Wi-Fi part an SDIO card add-on to Geo or soldered to the board? |
| 21:46.44 | mr007 | Neo that is. :) |
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| 21:47.07 | alphaone | Soldered on board |
| 21:47.10 | Moo^^ | alphaone: how/where/why I need to set PATH? |
| 21:47.12 | mr007 | Shit. |
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| 21:47.24 | balrog-kun | not SDIO for sure |
| 21:47.32 | mr007 | Oh? |
| 21:47.33 | LarstiQ | stupid question probably, is my assumption correct that DECT requires different hardware? |
| 21:47.50 | stefan_schmidt | alphaone, mr007: SDIO but soldered on the board anyway IIRC |
| 21:48.01 | mr007 | Argh.... |
| 21:48.03 | balrog-kun | oh |
| 21:48.06 | alphaone | mr007: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Neo1973_Hardware |
| 21:48.09 | mr007 | I'd like to replace it with other stuff... |
| 21:48.19 | alphaone | LarstiQ: Yes. |
| 21:48.36 | LarstiQ | alphaone: still need to get me a dect phone then |
| 21:49.21 | stefan_schmidt | LarstiQ: yes |
| 21:49.24 | alphaone | mr007: Sorry, misread Wifi for GSM |
| 21:49.40 | mr007 | I'm not seeing any mention of Wi-Fi on that page, alphaone. |
| 21:49.52 | hrw | cu |
| 21:50.02 | stefan_schmidt | cu hrw |
| 21:50.41 | alphaone | mr007: That's because it's only very (very) likely that p2 devices will have Wifi |
| 21:51.02 | mr007 | Argh... Disappointing. |
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| 21:52.13 | mmp | alphaone: err, P1.5 will not have wifi? |
| 21:52.51 | alphaone | mmp: Can't say. |
| 21:53.21 | mmp | alphaone: :) |
| 21:53.27 | mr007 | What are the projected release dates for P 1.5 and P2? |
| 21:53.31 | mmp | I asked just in case:) |
| 21:53.44 | alphaone | Don't want to say yes if it doesn't happen and I don't know how hard it will be to integrate. |
| 21:54.34 | mr007 | alphaone: From personal experience integrating Wi-Fi onboard can be quite challenging ;) |
| 21:55.09 | mr007 | One more reason to put in a SDIO card. |
| 21:55.18 | mr007 | put=put it |
| 21:55.57 | stefan_schmidt | mr007: Hardware is not our main resort. And release dates are Sean job. :) |
| 21:56.12 | mr007 | I see :) |
| 21:57.04 | alphaone | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2007-April/000012.html |
| 21:57.06 | mr007 | I really hope the Neo will take of well. It seems like an excellent concept (open source) and a great potential platform for all kinds of interesting stuff to do with it :) |
| 21:57.36 | alphaone | There's the announcement mentioning WiFi |
| 21:58.13 | mr007 | Yes, I just opened it. Looks like AR6K. |
| 21:58.23 | alphaone | yup |
| 21:59.05 | mr007 | Who do I talk to to change that decision? ;) |
| 21:59.24 | stefan_schmidt | Anyway, time for fetching a new club mate and work again. It's almost 00:00 am perfect time for work, as always. :) |
| 21:59.56 | stefan_schmidt | cu guys. |
| 21:59.59 | alphaone | mr007: Probably coreteam |
| 22:00.05 | mr007 | Ok. |
| 22:00.13 | mr007 | Cu, stefan. Thanks for your inputs. |
| 22:00.25 | LarstiQ | mr007: why would you want to change that decision? Just curious. |
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| 22:00.34 | alphaone | Okay, bye |
| 22:00.56 | mr007 | Umm... To put in more functionality for one thing, LarstiQ. |
| 22:01.58 | LarstiQ | mr007: whilst adhering to the requirement for open drivers? |
| 22:02.07 | mr007 | Yes, of course. |
| 22:02.31 | mr007 | Otherwise it'd be defying the purpose of the phone. |
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| 22:04.15 | Moo^^ | is there a some shell script/install script one should run after chroot'ing to x86 environment? |
| 22:04.27 | Moo^^ | pango-querymodules where missing, as gdk pixbuf loaders |
| 22:04.32 | LarstiQ | mr007: right, but the quest for such wifi hardware wasn't trivial iirc |
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| 22:06.08 | mr007 | I understand that, LarstiQ. |
| 22:06.35 | LarstiQ | mr007: so you can understand my eagerness to hear about your suggestion :) |
| 22:06.42 | mr007 | :) |
| 22:06.55 | mr007 | Are you part of the core team, LarstiQ? |
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| 22:07.44 | LarstiQ | nope |
| 22:09.29 | mr007 | There are some products that should hit the market and were not yet announced that might be an alternative to AR6K. |
| 22:11.55 | LarstiQ | aha, any idea on when they will hit the market? |
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| 22:12.45 | mr007 | ~3 months AFAIK |
| 22:14.12 | mr007 | Again - having a SDIO slot instead of on-board soldering might help... |
| 22:14.41 | LarstiQ | mr007: mail one of the coreteam |
| 22:15.40 | balrog-kun | why is AR6K bad? |
| 22:16.29 | mr007 | I didn't say it was bad. Just that one might get better functionality for the same size, if the platform is open enough hardware wise. |
| 22:17.01 | mr007 | Open should not stop with Open Source ;) |
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| 22:20.28 | mr007 | Gotta run. Thanks for inputs, guys. |
| 22:22.20 | mmp | hmm, ad one SDIO slot more - I heard something about that SD actually supports more devices hooked on one bus... |
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| 22:23.50 | balrog-kun | yes, it does |
| 22:27.15 | mmp | so there could be sdio slot even if there is ar6k... |
| 22:28.34 | mmp | good night:) |
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| 22:39.22 | MindUs | Free phone calls all around the world -----> http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/ |
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| 22:41.09 | MindUs | Free phone calls all around the world -----> http://callfree.point-serv.com/en/ |
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| 22:41.46 | madwoota | hit'n'run |
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| 22:44.08 | Moo^^ | yiihaa! it's running! it's running. |
| 22:44.21 | Moo^^ | and updated the wiki page too! |
| 22:44.25 | Moo^^ | I love you guys |
| 22:44.47 | minime | :) |
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| 22:49.12 | abraxa__ | Moo^^: Actually we love you for writing on the wiki ;) |
| 22:54.42 | Moo^^ | abraxa__: yay. I have been fighting with this three days now. I hope the next candidate doesn't need to be Hercules ;) |
| 22:55.16 | abraxa__ | Moo^^: Tell me about it. I've been fighting with OE for a little more than that, too. |
| 23:02.12 | aevin | Moo^^: great :-) |
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| 23:19.34 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] [[User:Miohtama]] [[Running_OpenMoko_on_PC]] [[Minimo]] [[User_talk:Miohtama]] [[Getting_OpenMoko_working_on_host_with_Xephyr]] |
| 23:22.36 | Elrond | counter |
| 23:22.36 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: a week, 5 days 00:37:56 (12.026 +-3.5 days) (1076;192) |
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| 23:56.58 | pavelm | Heya, everyone |
| 23:57.10 | pavelm | I played a bit with decoding of the gps... but the wiki seems dead now :-( |
| 23:57.31 | abraxa__ | Hellos |
| 23:57.38 | abraxa__ | The wiki works fine for me |
| 23:59.36 | pavelm | Hmm, it works okay from second machine :-( |
