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| 19:11.07 | *** topic/#openmoko is OpenMoko Community Lounge <> Free Your Phone <> wiki.openmoko.org <> Anyone can buy for $350 starting around mid May. Mass market in September. |
| 19:11.08 | zecke|siesta | quitte__: but you can guess. The people who did most of the work on Opie sit here and program for OpenMoko. And there is Qtopia GPL (finally, sadly too late) |
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| 19:11.41 | quitte__ | i just noticed you. but from my point of view that is most opie people |
| 19:13.45 | quitte__ | now i either have to be convinced that oe is in fact a good thing or try and debianize om once i have the phone |
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| 19:20.57 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03ortalo * r1881 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-calculator/ (configure.ac po/ChangeLog po/ru.po po/sv.po): Added russian and swedish translations (thanks to translators). |
| 19:27.33 | pmarques | Hi, all. I've bought a Motorola ROKR E6 (that should arrive this week). I've been going through the OpenEZX and OpenMoko sites to try to find out where I should devote more effort into trying to get both these projects working on my new phone |
| 19:27.48 | pmarques | (or maybe I'm still completely at lost here) |
| 19:28.14 | pmarques | I have a lot of C / C++ programming experience, as well as some kernel hacking experience, too |
| 19:30.48 | pmarques | Where do you guys think I could help the most? Where should I start? |
| 19:30.48 | aloril | Commands: counter (see estimated time until P1), counter_msg (set message for counter), faq (link to FAQ in wiki) |
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| 19:36.12 | vil | hi all |
| 19:36.41 | vil | I would like to ask a question (maybe stupid) about the gps planed to be in neo 1973 - openmoko |
| 19:37.10 | balrog-kun | pmarques: if the phone is not running Linux by default, the kernel will probably have to be the first step |
| 19:37.27 | balrog-kun | and whatever kernel tree you use, the final tree will probably be the same |
| 19:37.48 | vil | will it have sense of directions like North? |
| 19:37.48 | aloril | vil: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 19:37.52 | balrog-kun | so the changes will propagate |
| 19:38.58 | pmarques | well the phone is running a 2.4 kernel from motorola... I was kind of hoping that most of the hardware was similar to the A780 or e680 so that most of the kernel work is already begin done by the openezx project |
| 19:38.58 | balrog-kun | pmarques: and if the phone is not running Linux then the documentation for the hardware is probably scarce so it may be a difficult task |
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| 19:39.23 | woglinde | counter |
| 19:39.24 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: 2 weeks 04:20:37 (14.181 +-3.5 days) (1056;190) |
| 19:39.29 | zecke|siesta | woglinde: ho |
| 19:39.34 | woglinde | jo zecke |
| 19:42.06 | pmarques | balrog-kun: I'll only know for sure once I get the phone and start trying to boot a openezx kernel... |
| 19:42.15 | SuN | pmarques: the E6 is very similar to the A1200. THere have been some successful efforts from openezx to get custom kernels booting on the A1200. |
| 19:42.41 | SuN | I got my E6 yesterday, but haven't tried to boot anything besides the original OS. |
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| 19:43.05 | SuN | Getting a kernel that runs on the A1200 to run on an E6 is probably not very hard. |
| 19:43.09 | SuN | They use the same bootloader too. |
| 19:43.56 | SuN | Although I guess most of the people that are involved in openezx are here as well, there's #openezx for openezx specifics :D |
| 19:44.23 | SuN | (knowledge level is probably the same, but you won't get any openmoko "noise" in your conversations ;) ) |
| 19:44.26 | balrog-kun | is the original OS a Linux? |
| 19:44.27 | vil | anyone any idea to my question above? gps - north |
| 19:44.37 | SuN | balrog-kun: yes |
| 19:44.41 | balrog-kun | neat! |
| 19:45.04 | koen | well, "linux" |
| 19:45.06 | balrog-kun | pmarques: disregard my comments then |
| 19:45.07 | SuN | It's not very... open in that sense, though. |
| 19:45.10 | koen | 2.4.vendorcrap |
| 19:45.27 | woglinde | hm 2.4 montavista crap? |
| 19:45.39 | SuN | Functionality-wise, miles ahead of anything real open source currently has to offer though, I have to add. |
| 19:45.57 | SuN | But Openmoko is promising :) |
| 19:46.19 | balrog-kun | even the openness forced by GPL should be enough to write proper drivers for current kernels and get them into mainline |
| 19:46.47 | koen | balrog-kun: the openezx kernel devs classified the 2.4 code as "unreadable" |
| 19:46.47 | SuN | There's work being done by openezx people regarding that. |
| 19:46.48 | balrog-kun | normally the problem is lack of documentation, and a 2.4 code is in a sense the docuemntation |
| 19:47.00 | balrog-kun | oh |
| 19:47.07 | SuN | Motorola is still holding back certain sources though, unfortunately. |
| 19:47.10 | pmarques | from what I've seen the FIC neo has a 640x480 display whereas the openezx phones are all (or almost all) 320x240 |
| 19:47.33 | pmarques | is openmoko prepared to handle 320x240 displays? |
| 19:47.34 | SuN | Yeah, that's going to be a problem when adapting the openmoko gui. |
| 19:47.55 | koen | pmarques: the qvga theme is in svn |
| 19:48.13 | SuN | It's going to need some effort, both technically and because some controls just don't make sense on a smaller screen. |
| 19:48.19 | SuN | Or rather, lower-res screen. |
| 19:49.10 | SuN | koen: do you know of any screenshots that more or less reflect the current status of the openmoko gui? |
| 19:49.48 | koen | you'd have to ask pH5 or stefan_schmidt |
| 19:50.09 | SuN | Will do, tnx. |
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| 19:51.31 | miip | http://picasaweb.google.com/costinstroie/LinuxOnPalmTXOpenMoko here are some screenshots of openmoko on a palm tx |
| 19:51.48 | koen | isn't that 320x480? |
| 19:51.56 | miip | i think so |
| 19:52.12 | miip | looks pretty ugly... |
| 19:52.17 | balrog-kun | SuN: everytime i upgrade to the daily snapshot the GUI looks entirely different :p |
| 19:52.30 | balrog-kun | it's changing pretty fast |
| 19:52.45 | SuN | Hm, I hope that's a good thing :D |
| 19:53.35 | pmarques | I have to go now. Thanks for the pointers, |
| 19:53.51 | balrog-kun | the first screenshot is PalmOS |
| 20:02.13 | SuN | Will the full version include real phone numbers for Sean, Mickey, Harald and the rest? |
| 20:02.27 | woglinde | lol |
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| 20:03.32 | SuN | That's not as ridiculous as it sounds, though... what better customer support could you imagine? :D |
| 20:04.11 | mjr | Yes. Yes it is. :] |
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| 20:15.46 | Magon | does anyone know if there is way to make MokoWindow not cover entire screen? |
| 20:16.57 | zecke | Magon: well, <sith_power handwave='1'>You don't want that</sith_power> |
| 20:17.11 | Magon | zecke: problem..i need that :-) |
| 20:17.19 | Magon | i am not doing application ;-) |
| 20:17.21 | zecke | Magon: well, <sith_power handwave='1'>You don't want that</sith_power> |
| 20:17.21 | CoreDump|home | zecke: lol |
| 20:17.33 | zecke | Magon: well, there are two issues with the approach |
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| 20:17.52 | zecke | Magon: a)MokoWindow will give itself a 'fullscreen' size (640x480) |
| 20:18.02 | Magon | or better..how to show finger wheel without underlaying window? |
| 20:18.03 | zecke | Magon: and even if you don't matchbox is a fullscreen window manager :) |
| 20:18.12 | balrog-kun | Magon: i'm not sure but the Credits/About windows for different programs are not fullscreen |
| 20:18.27 | balrog-kun | zecke: but it supports normal windows with a caption bar too |
| 20:18.28 | koen | dialogs aren't fullscreen |
| 20:18.33 | Magon | balrog-kun: but that windows are nested in main window |
| 20:18.35 | balrog-kun | and moving then around |
| 20:18.41 | balrog-kun | *them |
| 20:18.51 | koen | input windows aren't full screen as well |
| 20:19.10 | zecke | CoreDump|home: he must be one of this immune races :) |
| 20:19.18 | CoreDump|home | indeed! |
| 20:19.35 | Magon | input windows are just keyboard? |
| 20:19.50 | CoreDump|home | Magon: fwiw, the "FingerWheel" thingy is inverted. If you "scroll" up, the cursor scrolls down =) |
| 20:20.13 | koen | it's not a wheel either |
| 20:20.17 | zecke | Magon: sorry, I have not yet worked with the finger wheel |
| 20:20.22 | balrog-kun | but it glows :) |
| 20:20.25 | koen | it's just 2 hotspots for "up" and "down" |
| 20:20.25 | Magon | CoreDump|home: ok, will switch it ass soon as i get it on screen |
| 20:21.08 | CoreDump|home | moving my thumb in a semi-circle feels kinda awkward |
| 20:21.15 | Magon | koen: all what is needed i to change labels..its pretty easy |
| 20:22.51 | CoreDump|home | is neo for anyone else freezing due to USB connects/disconnects? |
| 20:23.05 | Magon | there is just one input method..it is matchbox-keyboard and it doesnt use gtk at all.. |
| 20:23.20 | CoreDump|home | heheh |
| 20:24.07 | Elrond | CoreDump|home - huh? usb instabilities? |
| 20:24.14 | CoreDump|home | kinda |
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| 20:24.41 | CoreDump|home | sometimes on disconnect neo freezes up solid |
| 20:25.31 | Elrond | If it were more reproducible, you could connect the debug board and then freeze it. |
| 20:26.00 | CoreDump|home | anothertime maybe =) |
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| 20:38.37 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 20:38.42 | SpeedEvil | memtest? |
| 20:39.32 | roh | SpeedEvil already run.. not the issue here it seems |
| 20:39.43 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 20:39.51 | roh | its a new machine with ram also from the manuf. |
| 20:40.44 | roh | and it runs stable most of the time. i suspect some buggy acpi firmware which setups the chipset in some wrong way and i trigger it somehow. |
| 20:41.09 | roh | it seems to happen only when its initially bootet without psu connected |
| 20:43.11 | cworth | koen: So it looks like the workqueue stuff isn't going to be ready for today's 1.4.6. :-/ |
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| 21:09.31 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Press_Coverage]] [[Hammerhead_protocol]] |
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| 21:14.18 | billl_ | counter |
| 21:14.18 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: 2 weeks 02:45:43 (14.115 +-3.5 days) (1057;191) |
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| 21:23.14 | SpeedEvil | To paraphrase Benjamin Franklin, 'Lies, damn lies, and counters'. |
| 21:24.48 | MetaMorfoziS | did we know anything about the neo sellers in europe? |
| 21:24.56 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 21:25.05 | SpeedEvil | Nothings been revealed. |
| 21:25.53 | Elrond | We can guess on a german reseller ;) |
| 21:25.53 | MetaMorfoziS | so we must wait, always just wait:) |
| 21:25.53 | Elrond | (No, not me, of course) |
| 21:25.57 | MetaMorfoziS | :) |
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| 21:26.39 | balrog-kun | you will recognise them for their sunglasses and black shirts |
| 21:26.47 | balrog-kun | look out for the neo sellers in the streets |
| 21:26.56 | balrog-kun | across Europe |
| 21:27.03 | MetaMorfoziS | :DDD |
| 21:27.15 | MetaMorfoziS | we have much more from them... |
| 21:27.32 | MetaMorfoziS | @ hungary. |
| 21:28.18 | Elrond | Huh? |
| 21:28.28 | MetaMorfoziS | You thinks about gypsys? |
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| 22:56.20 | abraxa_ | CoreDump|home: You around? |
| 22:56.31 | CoreDump|home | yeah |
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| 23:06.48 | abraxa_ | CoreDump|home: I finally managed to get OE to compile my package, however the binary doesn't get installed to the rootfs - do you happen to know how I can convince OE to do that? |
| 23:06.55 | abraxa_ | Everything I tried so far failed... |
| 23:10.37 | bhima | counter |
| 23:10.38 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 : >= 2007-05-10 (uncertainty is a guess) P1: 2 weeks 00:49:23 (14.034 +-3.5 days) (1058;191) |
| 23:13.26 | CoreDump|home | abraxa_: yeah, hold-on |
| 23:15.30 | CoreDump|home | Add your package as RDEPENDS to trunk/oe/packages/tasks/task-openmoko.bb |
| 23:16.17 | zecke | and force rebuilding of this task or bump the PR |
| 23:16.31 | CoreDump|home | rebuild task-openmoko (bitbake -c clean -b $PATH_TO_BB ; bitbake task-openmoko ) |
| 23:16.36 | CoreDump|home | =D |
| 23:17.47 | abraxa_ | Oh wow, I totally didn't think that there would be special directories in packages/ |
| 23:17.51 | abraxa_ | Thanks, I'll go try that |
| 23:18.01 | woglinde | nite |
| 23:18.15 | CoreDump|home | n8 woglinde |
| 23:19.18 | CoreDump|home | abraxa_: once you get the hang of it, OE is a _very_ powerful and flexible build environment. The current OM overlay complicates things a bit but not too much |
| 23:20.38 | abraxa_ | CoreDump|home: I agree but I've spent pretty much all day browsing through OE documentation and fiddling with the files in conf/distro/ of both OE and the overlay - nowhere in the docs did I see mention of the tasks dir... |
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| 23:20.59 | CoreDump|home | heh true enough |
| 23:23.52 | zecke | ~lart stgit |
| 23:23.52 | apt | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking stgit's head off |
| 23:26.01 | chreekat | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.03 | chreekat | oops |
| 23:35.57 | zecke | mickey|zzZZzz: ping |
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| 23:47.09 | Elrond | Hi people. |
| 23:52.07 | CoreDump|home | hey |