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| 01:08.40 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:MokoMakefile]] |
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| 01:57.41 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean_mosko at fic.com.tw> <no subject> and 1 other mails |
| 01:59.51 | aevin | hmmm... *check the ML* |
| 02:01.40 | aloril | (script) openmoko-devel: Sean Moss-Pultz <sean at openmoko.com> Re: <no subject> |
| 02:04.30 | CoreDump|afk | btw, neo is an awsome ebook reader with its super-sharp screen |
| 02:05.10 | aevin | great! |
| 02:05.35 | aevin | do you read in portrait or landscape view with the screen? |
| 02:05.39 | CoreDump|afk | I took it to work the other day and dared anybody if he could make out a single pixel with his naked eyes. Nobody could |
| 02:05.50 | CoreDump|afk | aevin: portrait |
| 02:06.38 | CoreDump|afk | it's like reading a book, the display's that sharp. |
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| 02:08.16 | aevin | how does it feel to input text on it (so far)? |
| 02:08.44 | aevin | you normally use the stylus with an onscreen qwerty keyboard? |
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| 02:11.14 | CoreDump|afk | aevin: well, input is a pain really. OTOH the new on-screen keyboard is really well done |
| 02:11.58 | CoreDump|afk | I don't use it as a phone, and currently I just ssh into the beat to get things done =) |
| 02:13.29 | aevin | i see. i guess the input methods will evolve and better fit each users preferences of the cross-section between comfort, complexity and type speed. |
| 02:14.09 | CoreDump|afk | indeed |
| 02:15.08 | aevin | is your Neo affected by the battery drainage too? |
| 02:15.13 | CoreDump|afk | making calls and selecting contacts / smal edits are ok-ish, but larger changes would require a PC (or a small BT keyboard) |
| 02:15.33 | CoreDump|afk | aevin: yeah :\ |
| 02:16.25 | aevin | how many hours do you get from the battery (approx.) when playing with it with the current firmware/PMU? |
| 02:17.14 | CoreDump|afk | aevin: I really never let it run downyet. There were boot-loader problems at one time which prevented a totally empty battery from charging heh |
| 02:17.14 | aevin | i mean, only as a guesstimate. |
| 02:17.51 | aevin | yes, I read about that. and that there were some issues with the battery level indicator as well (don't know if this has been fixe yet)... |
| 02:17.52 | CoreDump|afk | aevin: the P1 devices will have far _far_ better standby times |
| 02:19.17 | CoreDump|afk | but boy, this thing really needs more h/w buttons *sigh* |
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| 02:19.56 | aevin | what kind of buttons do you have in mind? |
| 02:20.32 | CoreDump|afk | hmm, like a navigation-cross thingyas found on many PDAs |
| 02:21.27 | CoreDump|afk | w/ a 4-axis button you could eg play games...or use an ebook reader heh |
| 02:21.33 | aevin | we'll see about Neo+1 ;-) |
| 02:21.38 | CoreDump|afk | indeed |
| 02:22.14 | aevin | yes, thats true. it could ease it up a bit, and perhaps make it managable with a single hand as well. |
| 02:22.29 | aevin | +more managable |
| 02:22.52 | CoreDump|afk | yeah |
| 02:23.39 | CoreDump|afk | turning pageson the Neo w/ a K700i playing BT mouse sounds geeky but is far from optimal =D |
| 02:24.02 | aevin | how's the scroll-wheel-tingie (bottom left corner) working out? does it feel alright with your thumb? |
| 02:24.21 | CoreDump|afk | it isn't working yet |
| 02:24.26 | aevin | okay. |
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| 03:09.38 | peepsalot | any news from FIC? |
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| 03:09.49 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 16:25:05 (10.684 +-10.7 days) (991;176) |
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| 03:28.11 | aevin | peepsalot: not really. |
| 03:28.31 | peepsalot | :,( |
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| 04:02.03 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 15:58:58 (10.666 +-10.7 days) (992;176) |
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| 05:04.31 | itsfm | is a couple of weeks up yet? |
| 05:04.32 | aloril | itsfm: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 05:05.30 | RbdPngn | has anyone else been experiencing problems flashing the latest qemu snapshots? |
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| 06:10.08 | Rakshasa | " ", indeed. |
| 06:10.11 | Rakshasa | morgen alle. |
| 06:10.31 | Rince | good morning too |
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| 06:26.13 | Sup3rkiddo | hey everyone..is anyone getting a kernel panic stating that its unable to mount rootfs.? |
| 06:27.07 | abraxa_ | Using a local or stock image? |
| 06:27.15 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, both of them.. |
| 06:27.28 | abraxa_ | Lemme try the current stock |
| 06:27.41 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, sure..thanks |
| 06:28.34 | abraxa_ | btw, did you figure out how to get your own bb included in the build? |
| 06:29.27 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, nope ;(...am trying to get python....i forgot the variable i have to add in .conf file |
| 06:29.36 | abraxa_ | Dang... cause I'm trying to do the same, lol |
| 06:30.45 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, yeah theres a guy called empty_mind,..he was successful in bringing in the interpreter..told he added a variable..but forgot what.. |
| 06:31.02 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, fsck..power cut..will be back.. |
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| 07:14.53 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:15.53 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 07:41.16 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 14:09:22 (10.590 +-10.6 days) (993;176) |
| 07:43.20 | concept10 | does openmoko use kdrive or xserver-xephyr or is this the same thing? |
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| 07:50.43 | zod | concept10: xephyr uses another host x server |
| 07:51.19 | ewon | heh, someone found my website by googling for "NMEA parser qbasic" |
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| 08:17.54 | wehttamb__ | counter? |
| 08:17.54 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week, 3 days 13:51:02 (10.577 +-10.6 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-03); 4 months, 3 weeks, a day (145.154 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (994;176) |
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| 08:27.16 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, dude.. |
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| 09:00.25 | sixfeet | moin |
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| 09:23.17 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week, 3 days 13:18:21 (10.554 +-10.6 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-03); 4 months, 3 weeks, a day (145.109 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (995;176) |
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| 09:23.55 | Hadaka | is the date a guess, or is there something backing it up? |
| 09:30.43 | TRIsoft | It's a complicate calculation with wish and guess included :D |
| 09:32.34 | balrog-kun | and moon phase ofcourse |
| 09:33.37 | TRIsoft | and 25%-30% of the result include pure hope |
| 09:36.51 | Hadaka | :) |
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| 10:18.17 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 12:50:51 (10.535 +-10.5 days) (996;176) |
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| 10:19.30 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 12:50:15 (10.535 +-10.5 days) (997;177) |
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| 10:43.01 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1818 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/ (9 files in 8 dirs): |
| 10:43.01 | CIA-16 | openmoko: openmoko-libs/applications: API Change: |
| 10:43.01 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - rename moko_paned_window_set_upper_pane to moko_paned_window_set_navigation_pane |
| 10:43.01 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - rename moko_paned_window_set_lower_pane to moko_paned_window_set_details_pane |
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| 11:09.41 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Media_Player]] |
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| 11:44.23 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 12:07:48 (10.505 +-10.5 days) (998;177) |
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| 12:02.47 | Hopscotch | hmmmm... tomtom one v2 contains global locate hammerhead |
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| 12:57.28 | ewon | Hopscotch: what is the method of assistance? gsm? |
| 12:58.12 | Hopscotch | i think so |
| 12:58.20 | Hopscotch | via bluetooth |
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| 13:03.45 | SpeedEvil | Look at hardware:agps on the wiki |
| 13:04.05 | SpeedEvil | Hopscotch: |
| 13:04.08 | SpeedEvil | basically. |
| 13:04.41 | SpeedEvil | AGPS is almost pointless if you ever see the sky about 12 minutes every 6 weeks. |
| 13:04.52 | Hopscotch | true |
| 13:05.10 | Hopscotch | all i wanted to say is that tomtom also uses hammerhead and that we have another version of the gpsd |
| 13:05.22 | Hopscotch | so there is more than one version to reverse |
| 13:05.25 | SpeedEvil | Are you sure it's the same chip? |
| 13:05.36 | SpeedEvil | There are several GPS chips from global locate. |
| 13:05.41 | Hopscotch | don't know if there are hammerhead variants |
| 13:06.00 | Hopscotch | but i'm pretty sure they don't reinvent their wheel everytime |
| 13:06.11 | SpeedEvil | I don't think tehre are - just pointing out that the global locate -> hammerhead isn't true. |
| 13:06.21 | SpeedEvil | there is only one hammerhead AIUI. |
| 13:06.31 | Hopscotch | yes, and it is hammerhead |
| 13:06.31 | SpeedEvil | How is the driver on tomtom done? |
| 13:07.07 | Hopscotch | basically it's the "gltt" binary, that reads /dev/ttySACx and outputs stuff to /var/run/gpspipe |
| 13:07.31 | SpeedEvil | What would be _very_ interesting to us would be an strace of that starting up. |
| 13:07.54 | SpeedEvil | As that way we can get the hammerhead talking. |
| 13:08.04 | Hopscotch | shouldn't be much of a problem |
| 13:08.19 | so_solid_moo | did tomtom get a special driver, or did they reverse engineer one? |
| 13:08.28 | SpeedEvil | Err - tomtom. |
| 13:08.36 | SpeedEvil | The millions selling navigation device people. |
| 13:08.37 | Hopscotch | i guess they got help when they asked gl for 100000+ chips... |
| 13:08.38 | hrw | so_solid_moo: or they wrote one basing on NDA specs |
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| 13:09.04 | so_solid_moo | hrw: that's most likely, I guess |
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| 13:09.29 | Hopscotch | to me it looks like something based on arm-object-code + platform specific glue code |
| 13:09.37 | SpeedEvil | I suppose most useful would be a cold start. But even a warm start would have lots of useful info. |
| 13:09.41 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Main_Page]] [[User_talk:Csdexter]] [[Media_Player]] |
| 13:09.54 | Hopscotch | does anybody have a compiled strace for arm? |
| 13:10.31 | SpeedEvil | Umm... The WRT54 people? |
| 13:10.38 | Hopscotch | they're mips... |
| 13:10.42 | SpeedEvil | Oh well. |
| 13:11.34 | Hopscotch | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:14.51 | hrw | Hopscotch: it should be in openmoko feeds |
| 13:15.21 | Hopscotch | ah, right - found it |
| 13:17.22 | Hopscotch | *compile* |
| 13:18.43 | SpeedEvil | Hopscotch: Has anyone managed to run the tomtom binaries on other platforms? |
| 13:19.00 | Hopscotch | yes, i think so |
| 13:19.15 | Hopscotch | i heard about someone who run the navigator on a zaurus |
| 13:19.32 | SpeedEvil | Just wondering - as it'd be nice if you could present tomtom with a mostly-working mapping application on the neo, and get them to fix the bugs, and ship it on the website. |
| 13:19.52 | Hopscotch | we talked a lot with them about such things |
| 13:20.07 | Hopscotch | but management is only dong stuff that find potentially millions of customers |
| 13:20.26 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
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| 13:21.10 | TRIsoft | TomTom on Zaurus (incl. video) : http://www.zaurus.org.uk/opentom/index.html |
| 13:21.18 | Hopscotch | they even had a version running on desktops |
| 13:21.19 | SpeedEvil | How 'talked to' ? and who? |
| 13:21.24 | Hopscotch | but they wouldn't release it |
| 13:21.31 | Hopscotch | peter frans powels |
| 13:21.36 | Hopscotch | ceo of tomtom |
| 13:21.44 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 13:21.53 | guaqua | he's not encouraging it, that's the current situation |
| 13:21.55 | Hopscotch | at least at that time |
| 13:23.12 | Hopscotch | cto he is |
| 13:23.22 | Hopscotch | http://www.tomtom.com/about/about.php?ID=2&Language=1 |
| 13:23.27 | SpeedEvil | Pity. |
| 13:23.48 | SpeedEvil | Openstreetmap is cool, but basically blows at the moment. |
| 13:23.53 | Hopscotch | the opentom team went with half the tomtom devel team for dinner in amsterdam two years ago |
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| 13:24.20 | SpeedEvil | (I say this as someone who's mapped a couple of hundred miles of road). |
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| 13:26.09 | Hopscotch | got a first strace |
| 13:26.14 | Hopscotch | but the thing won't run for long |
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| 13:30.41 | SpeedEvil | Why not? |
| 13:31.32 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - how long. |
| 13:31.32 | SpeedEvil | If it wakes up and gets a position, then exits, that's fine. |
| 13:32.29 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r1819 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/applications/openmoko-dialer/src/ (23 files): * Fix indentation |
| 13:33.03 | Hopscotch | SpeedEvil: wrong commandline parameters :) |
| 13:33.08 | SpeedEvil | Ah :) |
| 13:35.15 | Hopscotch | next try... |
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| 13:42.47 | Hopscotch | ok, now |
| 13:42.50 | Hopscotch | 1.2mb strace |
| 13:46.26 | Hopscotch | but now - time to get a haircut |
| 13:46.30 | Hopscotch | see you later |
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| 14:00.13 | balrog-kun | it seems TomTom used the same smdk2440 devel processor, looking at the patches |
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| 14:11.31 | balrog-kun | there's also an accelerometer in it |
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| 14:27.52 | Herod2k | hi guys |
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| 14:43.35 | Hopscotch | re |
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| 15:10.41 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[User_talk:Tssegdhhgg7653]] [[User_talk:Tssegdhhggfj56]] [[Main_Page]] [[Shipping_Notes]] |
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| 15:18.18 | Moo^^ | why openmoko wiki install instructions tell to install psycho? |
| 15:18.39 | XorA | Moo^^: psyco speeds up bitbake |
| 15:18.50 | XorA | Moo^^: or jumps you in a shower with a knife, your choice |
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| 15:23.17 | Moo^^ | looks like feisty doesn't ship with psycho in repositories |
| 15:24.55 | aevin | Moo^^: python2.5-psyco ? |
| 15:25.37 | Moo^^ | sorry aevin, my typo |
| 15:26.00 | aevin | np :-) |
| 15:28.20 | Moo^^ | does psyco give a good kick? |
| 15:28.41 | aevin | it helps, yes. |
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| 15:30.53 | PBeck | tag |
| 15:31.09 | XorA | ~prod PBeck |
| 15:31.17 | apt | ACTION zaps PBeck with a high voltage cattle prod |
| 15:32.15 | PBeck | hey XorA und apt |
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| 15:32.55 | Moo^^ | haven't done this before... what the heck it is doing? |
| 15:35.05 | theholyduck | do you think its posible to get some sort of voip system running on the fic 1973? |
| 15:36.00 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 15:36.12 | SpeedEvil | CErtainyl not wiothout wifi, or USB net. |
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| 15:36.22 | SpeedEvil | GSM data is simply too high latency |
| 15:36.27 | don-o | i cant bear to look... its gonna be pushed out two weeks again isnt it.... |
| 15:36.56 | don-o | counter |
| 15:36.56 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 10:11:32 (10.425 +-10.4 days) (999;177) |
| 15:37.18 | don-o | hmm. isnt that pushed out a week from a week ago? |
| 15:37.36 | theholyduck | well i was just thinking using the openmoko as a sort of headset with. usb or wifi net |
| 15:37.36 | theholyduck | :P |
| 15:37.37 | XorA | don-o: it ads a week everyweek |
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| 15:37.47 | theholyduck | im just wondering if the cpu can handle it |
| 15:37.49 | XorA | don-o: the counter is meaningsless now |
| 15:37.59 | don-o | XorA: sigh. |
| 15:38.12 | don-o | at least ive got the simulator :) |
| 15:38.15 | XorA | don-o: await for announcements and it will become accurate again |
| 15:38.39 | don-o | i suppose i should stop whining and start coding. :) |
| 15:39.15 | don-o | thx. gotta get back to work. |
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| 15:40.28 | hrw | cu |
| 15:41.23 | PBeck | hm is it possible that the neo comes in september for mass maket? |
| 15:41.29 | PBeck | *market |
| 15:41.38 | SpeedEvil | It's possible. |
| 15:42.17 | PBeck | i think the hardware refresh for june will be a dram |
| 15:42.19 | PBeck | *dream |
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| 15:43.30 | TRIsoft | gtg cu |
| 15:43.59 | PBeck | hm mai is soon |
| 15:44.04 | PBeck | and september too |
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| 15:50.43 | Partizan | counter |
| 15:50.44 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 10:04:38 (10.420 +-10.4 days) (1000;178) |
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| 16:46.46 | kiney | counter |
| 16:46.46 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 09:36:43 (10.400 +-10.4 days) (1001;178) |
| 16:46.47 | kiney | counter? |
| 16:46.47 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week, 3 days 09:36:38 (10.400 +-10.4 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-03); 4 months, 3 weeks (144.801 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (1002;178) |
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| 17:11.41 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Tsseg345eee2t1]] [[User_talk:Tssegwrqtweee2t1]] [[User_talk:Tssegwrqreeeee2t1]] [[Wishlist:Text_Input]] [[User_talk:Tssegdefgyeeee2t1]] [[User_talk:Tssegdesgtiyeeee2t1]] [[User_talk:Tssegdesgtiyui2t1]] [[User_talk:Tssegdesgte2t1]] and other changes |
| 17:13.30 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03laforge * r1824 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/gta01-core.patch: * Enable LCDCON5:INVVCLK to comply with LCM clock polarity (Allen Chang) |
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| 17:21.13 | SrRaven | so as of right now,how big are the chances for wifi? |
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| 17:25.35 | balrog-kun | SrRaven: afaik it is decided that there will be wifi for sure |
| 17:25.52 | SrRaven | but last I heard they still havent found a GPL chip |
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| 17:26.04 | balrog-kun | the date in unknown |
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| 17:50.04 | kito_ | a couple of weeks eh, that's the current word? |
| 17:50.05 | aloril | kito_: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 17:51.02 | kito_ | the FAQ is very vague about the current developer release date |
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| 17:51.09 | MacNorthOSX | sean has hinted about more news son |
| 17:51.32 | MacNorthOSX | s/on/oon/ |
| 17:51.49 | kito_ | excellent. My phone just died and I want something hackable to replace it |
| 17:52.21 | SrRaven | And I want a new mobile I can play around with and use for school |
| 17:52.53 | kito_ | is there any word on what the state of the SDK will be when the dev version is released? |
| 17:53.16 | balrog-kun | phone for school? classes over a phone line? |
| 17:53.17 | kito_ | hopefully it's just a matter of setting up a cross-compiler |
| 17:53.21 | MacNorthOSX | define 'state'... afaik it's available now |
| 17:53.27 | MacNorthOSX | mokomakefile :-) |
| 17:53.42 | SrRaven | balrog-kun more like a wifi thing to check info online and/or to have a portable version of wikipedia with me |
| 17:53.45 | buz | why in hell would anyone output sound through the usb port |
| 17:53.54 | balrog-kun | SrRaven: ah okay |
| 17:54.32 | madewokherd | because they want usb to take over the world? |
| 17:54.35 | SrRaven | someone would have to programm a ebook reader first though :P |
| 17:55.10 | SrRaven | someone delete the spam things on th wiki |
| 17:56.17 | balrog-kun | there's xpdf |
| 17:57.06 | kito_ | you want the whole wikipedia in a pdf? |
| 17:57.24 | SrRaven | you can get portable versions at around 1.2 gb ish |
| 17:57.29 | balrog-kun | no, for wikipedia there's a web browsere |
| 17:57.43 | balrog-kun | s/e$// |
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| 17:57.50 | SrRaven | but that would mean I'd need to have either a data plan or wifi all the time |
| 17:57.52 | kito_ | I thought there wasn't going to be wifi until the general release |
| 17:58.28 | balrog-kun | you can download the database and setup a local mediawiki |
| 17:58.58 | SrRaven | yeah but like I got a clue how to do that |
| 17:59.07 | kito_ | heh |
| 17:59.10 | balrog-kun | it would even allow you to edit the pages and then sync changes to wikipedia.org through some automated tool |
| 17:59.31 | buz | madewokherd: i think 3.5mm already has taken over the headphone world |
| 17:59.36 | kito_ | someone port apache to this thing! |
| 17:59.57 | madewokherd | I don't know what that is |
| 18:00.04 | buz | there's actually a mobile version of wiki |
| 18:00.05 | balrog-kun | *unmodified |
| 18:00.41 | SrRaven | the only thing that bothers me is that the downloadable versions I seem to find are not up to date |
| 18:01.46 | dho | buz: because you can get a better DAC on USB? |
| 18:01.57 | balrog-kun | when i used wikipedia on my palm PDA, with tomeraider (or whatever it was called) i downloaded a then one year old wp snapshot which already filled the entire card |
| 18:02.18 | balrog-kun | i think this was 2004 snapshot |
| 18:02.36 | SrRaven | well for most stuff the size isnt that big of a issue |
| 18:02.43 | SrRaven | eh date |
| 18:02.50 | balrog-kun | later snapshots are just not practical due to size (even without images) and it's difficult to define criteria to filter out the less important pages |
| 18:02.57 | SrRaven | Because Ill just need it for some classes where it barely changes |
| 18:02.59 | balrog-kun | so the age of the page is probably the best criteria |
| 18:11.02 | buz | dho: the idea is to put analog audio thru the port |
| 18:11.17 | buz | pushing pcm data over usb is obviously quite trivial |
| 18:11.50 | buz | number of updates to a given page could help |
| 18:12.07 | buz | if its controversial, it's probably important ;) |
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| 18:23.32 | peepsalot | buz, why wouldn't you want to output sound to USB? you can use the device as a microphone/headset for a desktop |
| 18:23.55 | buz | because i already have 2.5mm port for that? |
| 18:24.04 | buz | which is like more compatible with headsets? |
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| 18:26.23 | peepsalot | i mean a handset. the phone could act as a handset for a desktop |
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| 18:29.02 | miraage | so, how do i get my hands on one? |
| 18:29.03 | aloril | miraage: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 18:29.14 | miraage | =) |
| 18:30.06 | Rakshasa | Wouldn't the phone be most useful as a bluetooth handset for the computer. I'd rather use headphones and a table-mount mic than a phone with an usb cord sticking from it's side... |
| 18:32.01 | buz | i hope p1.5 gets wifi and we can run sip on it |
| 18:32.06 | buz | then i dont need any pc ;) |
| 18:32.30 | miraage | i'm interested in doing some GPS application development for openmoko. how immature is the gpsd and libgps etc? |
| 18:32.34 | peepsalot | Rakshasa, sure, but that's assuming you have bluetooth in your desktop. |
| 18:33.16 | peepsalot | USB could be another option for those other unlucky souls |
| 18:34.06 | peepsalot | there is a large market of "Skype Phones" that do just that, over USB |
| 18:34.37 | peepsalot | or voip if you prefer |
| 18:35.50 | Rakshasa | Well, I never have understood those things either.. |
| 18:36.10 | buz | yeah wtf do people buy those |
| 18:36.16 | buz | they are like totally useless |
| 18:36.39 | amarsh04 | does the FIC 1973 handset have a USB ID? I didn't see anything like listed in the Linux USB ID's lists |
| 18:37.22 | SpeedEvil | It's got several. |
| 18:37.28 | SpeedEvil | amarsh04: there is a page on the wiki |
| 18:37.43 | SpeedEvil | It can present as several devices - mass storage, network, ... |
| 18:37.57 | amarsh04 | ok... someone should submit them to the Linux USB ID list |
| 18:38.24 | SpeedEvil | miraage: gpsd is quite mature. |
| 18:38.54 | SpeedEvil | miraage: You can write stuff for it now, using the many 'fake positions' options, or inputting from another GPS. |
| 18:39.54 | Vegar | is it the same gpds as this one? http://gpsd.berlios.de/ |
| 18:40.18 | miraage | SpeedEvil: huh. cool! what's the GPS accuracy of the device hardware roughly? |
| 18:40.37 | SpeedEvil | 0 |
| 18:40.42 | SpeedEvil | it's not currently working. |
| 18:40.55 | SpeedEvil | The reported accuracy is 5m in 1s. |
| 18:41.06 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: yes. |
| 18:41.14 | SpeedEvil | The hardware has a binary plugin to that. |
| 18:41.25 | SpeedEvil | There may well be an open sourced version soon. |
| 18:41.29 | miraage | the hardware isn't working? |
| 18:41.35 | SpeedEvil | But there isn't even a working closed source one at the moment. |
| 18:41.43 | SpeedEvil | miraage: no driver - at the moment. |
| 18:41.49 | SpeedEvil | The hardware works. |
| 18:42.19 | SpeedEvil | Truth is stranger than fiction. |
| 18:42.56 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 18:43.27 | buz | how can one tell that the hardware truly works without a driver |
| 18:43.39 | buz | it could be spitting out total garbage for all we know |
| 18:43.44 | SpeedEvil | It's been checked by Global locate apparently. |
| 18:43.51 | SpeedEvil | but not in a releasable form. |
| 18:43.58 | buz | that company must be kinda incapable |
| 18:44.08 | Vegar | when will GL have the gpsd plugin ready? |
| 18:44.16 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't matter at the moment. |
| 18:44.26 | SpeedEvil | As hardware is not released. |
| 18:44.27 | buz | (personally, i dont care much for gps anyhow) |
| 18:44.53 | Moo^^ | I am planning to do some development on emulator. How does QEMU handle network connection for the target? |
| 18:45.00 | miraage | ouch. so basically no ETA at all on when gps will become functional! |
| 18:45.18 | buz | well no eta for hardware either so... |
| 18:45.26 | SpeedEvil | miraage: it's not a priority ATM. I'm pretty sure that at or before when the hardware ships, it'll be delivered. |
| 18:45.46 | buz | we heard that in january already |
| 18:45.47 | SpeedEvil | On another track, someone has straced a hammerhead interacting with a driver in a tomtom. |
| 18:45.48 | buz | before all the delays |
| 18:45.50 | miraage | okay. cool. |
| 18:46.17 | buz | not that i'm terribly fussed either way |
| 18:46.23 | buz | i care more for p1.5 ;) |
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| 18:48.03 | miraage | what is p1.5? |
| 18:48.56 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: Any more success on your side? I just got home so I figured I'd ask before continuing work |
| 18:51.05 | abraxa_ | miraage: Phase 1.5 is the Neo1973 hardware release between phase 1 (= the public developer version) and phase 2 (= mass market release) |
| 18:52.01 | miraage | so the features of 1.5 will be integrated in 2? |
| 18:52.11 | abraxa_ | Yup. |
| 18:52.19 | miraage | and there are significant additions planned? |
| 18:52.33 | peepsalot | prob wifi |
| 18:52.33 | abraxa_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 has the chewy details |
| 18:52.43 | miraage | whow |
| 18:55.31 | peepsalot | 1gb onboard flash would be very nice |
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| 19:04.07 | kito_ | hah, I just disassembled my samsung t809 |
| 19:04.20 | kito_ | wealth of cool little things in that |
| 19:04.34 | kito_ | shame the screen is cracked, its a really nice screen |
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| 19:08.34 | PupenoR | Hello. |
| 19:08.49 | SpeedEvil | kito_: ebay. |
| 19:09.50 | abraxa_ | Heya Pup |
| 19:10.12 | kito_ | I checked, there aren't any |
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| 19:11.41 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Accelerometer_Fundamentals]] [[Neo1973/pl]] [[FIC/pl]] [[FIC]] [[Introduction/pl]] |
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| 19:37.23 | Moo^^ | I am using MokoMakefile to build emulation target. Where do I can increase number of threads? I have dual-core CPU, but default settings seem to utilize one thread only (other core is busy) |
| 19:37.59 | koen|gprs | Moo^^: don't use the makefile and edit local.conf |
| 19:38.56 | Moo^^ | koen|gprs: can you be more descriptive? This is my first build try. |
| 19:39.29 | koen|gprs | read OE's gettingStarted instead of using the makefile, and edit local.conf |
| 19:41.30 | Moo^^ | ok |
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| 19:42.56 | pavelm | Hello, everyone |
| 19:43.17 | pavelm | There was some talk about testing software before phase1... but I seen no announcement...? |
| 19:43.37 | balrog-kun | about the freeze? |
| 19:44.06 | SpeedEvil | llNo release yet. |
| 19:45.31 | peepsalot | i wonder if the neo will be powerful enough for TTS |
| 19:45.40 | pavelm | Too bad :-) |
| 19:45.43 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 19:45.53 | SpeedEvil | I've done TTS on a 486/75. |
| 19:45.58 | peepsalot | so I could listen to IRC with headphones |
| 19:46.00 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 19:46.07 | SpeedEvil | IIRC, flite has been used. |
| 19:46.23 | pavelm | peep: tts systems vary a _lot_. Some are good, some are bad, some eat a lot of power and some do not. |
| 19:46.24 | balrog-kun | flite should lightweight enough |
| 19:46.35 | pavelm | IIRC I used TTS on 386/25 or something like that. |
| 19:46.58 | pavelm | ...and you could run TTS on XT... given "bad enough" TTS. |
| 19:47.10 | Moo^^ | koen|gprs: is there any particular reason why mokomakefile should not be used? |
| 19:47.15 | Moo^^ | makes things easier, it seems |
| 19:47.46 | koen|gprs | Moo^^: if you hadn't used it, you would have read gettingstarted and wouldn't have asked your question |
| 19:47.58 | SpeedEvil | Ah - yes, tsp. |
| 19:48.01 | MacNorthOSX | ten words a second is nuts fast |
| 19:48.07 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 19:48.15 | SpeedEvil | He's got the motivation though. |
| 19:48.19 | pavelm | ..but yes, it would be nice to have flite by default on openmoko. It would enable some interesting tricks. |
| 19:48.22 | Vegar | tts = text-to-speech? |
| 19:48.24 | Moo^^ | koen|gprs: actually, the information was on MokomakeFile wiki page too. after getting your hint about local.conf I found it there |
| 19:48.25 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 19:48.51 | MacNorthOSX | my brain got used to japanese speaking speed, but accelerated native language would still be harder |
| 19:51.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03andrew * r1825 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (Makefile.target hw/usb-net.c hw/usb.h vl.c): Initial Linux gadgetfs support. Fix usb-net USB config descriptors. |
| 19:51.23 | peepsalot | are there any client side translation apps on par with babelfish? |
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| 19:52.29 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03andrew * r1826 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/usb-linux-gadget.c: Gadgetfs support - Include the important file this time. |
| 19:53.22 | pavelm | Openmoko kernel tree should have been merged (IIUC) to mach-s3c2410... but I can't find that tree anywhere :-( |
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| 20:00.37 | pavelm | Can anyone helpme? |
| 20:01.15 | SpeedEvil | No clue, sorry. |
| 20:02.45 | koen|gprs | not a well known site on IRC, though |
| 20:04.10 | MacNorthOSX | i always forget how to spell it :-P |
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| 20:07.05 | pavelm | google does not help :-(. s3c2410 is not good search term. |
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| 20:13.15 | Vegar | when will the rootfs image for qemu at the buildhost be updated? |
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| 20:15.29 | Vegar | maybe I should ask is it trivial to build my own image? |
| 20:21.15 | rtp | pavelm: I don't see where you can find such a tree. Remember about the neo1973 vs gta01 in the mach-type stuff ? [ and the patch adding the mach-gta01.c file has been discarded but you should have got a mail about that ] |
| 20:22.15 | pavelm_afc | rtp: Ben told me he already merged openmoko patches into his c2410 tree... but I can't find his tree anywhere. |
| 20:22.55 | rtp | pavelm_afc: iirc fluff's tree is not available on the net |
| 20:22.56 | pavelm_afc | I tried patching 2.6.21-rc5 (or so) with openmoko patches, but resulting code will not boot. |
| 20:23.18 | pavelm_afc | fluff == Ben's nick? |
| 20:23.33 | rtp | yeah |
| 20:24.13 | pavelm_afc | I think I need to compile my own kernels, so that I can include mmc driver and boot off it. |
| 20:24.16 | abraxa_ | Vegar: May be trivial, may not be... your mileage varies |
| 20:24.35 | pavelm_afc | rtp: Could you generate diff between -rc3 and neo tree and mail it to me? |
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| 20:24.49 | pavelm_afc | ..there's good chance it will work on -rc7. |
| 20:25.16 | pavelm_afc | my email is pavel at suse ... cz |
| 20:26.55 | rtp | hmm... I'm using my -h1940 tree as basis so I fear that the patch will be too big :/ |
| 20:27.26 | koen|gprs | pavelm_afc: install openembedded and 'bitbake virtual/kernel'? |
| 20:27.48 | koen|gprs | (openembedded is at http://openembedded.org) |
| 20:29.47 | pavelm_afc | I guess I'm lost in the maze of kernel trees, all alike :-) |
| 20:32.34 | pavelm_afc | kone: I could just pull 2.6.20 tree and apply patches to that. |
| 20:32.43 | pavelm_afc | ...unfortunately that does not help with development. |
| 20:32.48 | pavelm_afc | ...but I guess I'll just do that. |
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| 20:34.50 | rwhitby-treo | morning |
| 20:35.07 | rwhitby-treo | so, accelerometers, hey? |
| 20:35.23 | rwhitby-treo | (and Sean using MokoMakefile) |
| 20:35.26 | MacNorthOSX | mmMMMmmmmm... gta02 |
| 20:35.34 | dho | hey rwhitby-treo |
| 20:35.45 | dho | rwhitby-treo: I just noticed you're an nslu2 linux guy :) |
| 20:36.19 | rwhitby-treo | any other news in the last couple of days? |
| 20:37.43 | rwhitby-treo | well, I founded and lead that project, so yeah :-) |
| 20:37.58 | dho | rwhitby-treo: um, ok |
| 20:39.42 | dho | rwhitby-treo: So, I have 2 of them, and I wanted to get Plan 9 on it. Is the code in OE, or do I need this ridiculous monotone file? |
| 20:39.43 | rwhitby-treo | MacNorthOSX: gta02 specs leaked? or just the acellerometer bit? |
| 20:39.45 | MacNorthOSX | harald in the accelerometer thread (paraphrased) -- all future plans include them :-) |
| 20:41.31 | rwhitby-treo | dho: if you have OE .dev head, then you have all the code. if you just want kernel and related stuff, see trac.nslu2-linux.org for pointers to our svn repos. |
| 20:42.37 | rwhitby-treo | MacNorthOSX: ok, so nothing juicier in IRC than what I've read on the lists ... |
| 20:42.54 | MacNorthOSX | correct |
| 20:43.32 | rwhitby-treo | dho: we'll be happy to host a plan9 on nslu2 project on nslu2-linux.org ... |
| 20:45.14 | rwhitby-treo | dho: (but we should discuss that over in #nslu2-linux, not here) |
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| 21:05.39 | Moo^^ | hi rwhitby-treo. i am doing my first openmoko build with mokomakefile. this step is taking forever: package glibc-2.5-r4: task do_populate_staging: started |
| 21:05.41 | Moo^^ | normal? |
| 21:05.53 | MacNorthOSX | yeah, that's a long one |
| 21:06.07 | Moo^^ | does it build glib or what? |
| 21:06.13 | MacNorthOSX | yes |
| 21:06.24 | rwhitby-treo | yep |
| 21:06.31 | MacNorthOSX | fekkin' OSX window-focus behaviour |
| 21:06.36 | Moo^^ | it's strange, since it looks like there is no CPU activity |
| 21:07.03 | rwhitby-treo | 'forever' is a relative term when building OE stuff :-) |
| 21:07.32 | rwhitby-treo | probably doing locales stuff |
| 21:07.53 | Moo^^ | could it possible to configure to build english only locale to cut build time? |
| 21:08.06 | Moo^^ | relative easily, i mean |
| 21:08.48 | MacNorthOSX | that may cut 1-2% of the entire build time :-D |
| 21:08.57 | rwhitby-treo | not until OM syncs with OE head |
| 21:10.12 | rwhitby-treo | hehe |
| 21:11.41 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[OpenMoko_compatible_cellphone_providers]] [[Messages]] [[Talk:OpenMoko_under_QEMU]] [[MokoMakefile]] |
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| 21:33.54 | pavelm_afc | good night, I should get some sleep. |
| 21:34.43 | woglinde | nite pavel |
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| 22:05.46 | kito_ | what is this about accelerometers? |
| 22:09.44 | Moo^^ | kito_: it's "must" feature for future phones |
| 22:09.51 | Moo^^ | you can do all kind of kinky stuff with them |
| 22:09.57 | Moo^^ | e.g. scroll web pages by tilting phone |
| 22:10.14 | Moo^^ | measure amount of your walking |
| 22:10.16 | Moo^^ | and so on |
| 22:11.42 | kito_ | I know, I do robotics research |
| 22:11.51 | balrog-kun | yeah, juts like wifi - an essential part of a phone |
| 22:12.01 | kito_ | but someone said something about accelerometers in gta02? |
| 22:12.05 | kito_ | what's that all about? |
| 22:12.14 | balrog-kun | you won't hear anything from the speaker if you don't have an accelerometer and a camera |
| 22:12.42 | kito_ | I have both sitting here on my desk here somewhere ;-P |
| 22:13.12 | kito_ | in fact, I should have a 3-axis accelerometer here somewhere |
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| 22:14.16 | Moo^^ | kito_: 3-axis accelerometers are still rare? |
| 22:14.54 | Moo^^ | [23:39:24] <MacNorthOSX> harald in the accelerometer thread (paraphrased) -- all future plans include them :-) |
| 22:15.16 | kito_ | no, they're actually pretty cheap these days |
| 22:15.21 | kito_ | handy buggers |
| 22:16.57 | kito_ | http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=371539&Row=422351&Site=US |
| 22:17.05 | kito_ | that chip might be useful |
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| 23:26.27 | SpeedEvil | Accelerometer datasheets suck. |
| 23:27.10 | SpeedEvil | Freescale one I'm reading doesn't give any sources of error, other than supply voltage and random noise. |
| 23:27.45 | SpeedEvil | So if it's correct, and I stick on a 20 bit A/D, I can get positions good to within a meter or so after a day. |
| 23:30.11 | kito_ | hah |
| 23:30.17 | kito_ | I'd like to see that |
| 23:30.26 | kito_ | our IMU goes crappy every second or so |
| 23:30.45 | kito_ | of course I think it's only 12-bit internally |
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| 23:31.32 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. The AD part - which it seems similar to - at least mentions the horrible temperature coefficient. |
| 23:33.10 | SpeedEvil | An actual decent IMU in a phone would be moderately interesting. Say 1m drift after 20 mins. |
| 23:33.20 | SpeedEvil | Not remotely possible ATM though. |
| 23:45.20 | SpeedEvil | As it detects freefall, it screams. |
| 23:46.05 | wehttamb_ | what would an accelerometer in a phone be usefull for |
| 23:46.10 | kito_ | haha |
| 23:46.19 | SpeedEvil | Basically detecting orientation. |
| 23:46.23 | kito_ | AAAAH... I'm gonnna Dieeeee |
| 23:46.28 | SpeedEvil | Which is another user input. |
| 23:46.46 | SpeedEvil | Can be anything from just orienting the screen, to gaming, to ... |
| 23:46.54 | SpeedEvil | Even text input. |
| 23:47.05 | kito_ | pretty much any kind of interfacing thing which could depend on the phone's orientation |
| 23:47.06 | wehttamb_ | cool |
| 23:47.22 | kito_ | the simplest being switching from landscape to portrait mode and back |
| 23:47.29 | wehttamb_ | k |
| 23:47.31 | SpeedEvil | Also detecting if it's picked up or on a stationary table. |
| 23:47.47 | kito_ | damnit. Why do all phones suck so much? |
| 23:47.47 | SpeedEvil | For example, it may only lock if you put it down. |
| 23:47.53 | SpeedEvil | but not if you're carrying it around. |
| 23:48.00 | wehttamb_ | will they put one on the openmoko |
| 23:48.08 | SpeedEvil | Not the first version. |
| 23:48.16 | SpeedEvil | Though mine will grow one. |
| 23:48.21 | kito_ | heh |
| 23:48.41 | kito_ | I was thinking about trying to hook one in through the USB interface |
| 23:48.41 | SpeedEvil | It's got I2C, so is easy to glue stuff to. |
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| 23:48.50 | SpeedEvil | I2C is going to be exposed on solderable-to pads on P1. |
| 23:48.55 | kito_ | I really want to use the phone as a mobile platform for testing and datalogging robotics sensors |
| 23:49.08 | kito_ | ooh, that's even better than USB |
| 23:49.15 | SpeedEvil | Indeed, for some stuff. |
| 23:49.22 | SpeedEvil | Even works in 'slow' mode. |
| 23:49.24 | kito_ | although sparkfun has a bluetooth IMU |
| 23:49.31 | wehttamb_ | cool |
| 23:49.48 | SpeedEvil | Just wish that semiconductor gyros were as cheap as accelerometers. |
| 23:50.05 | kito_ | the gyros aren't too bad |
| 23:50.08 | SpeedEvil | Cameras will help with that eventually. |
| 23:50.26 | SpeedEvil | True - but $150 for 3 axes, compared to $5 for accelerometers. |
| 23:51.14 | kito_ | $150? for what IC? |
| 23:51.34 | SpeedEvil | I mean that one axis is around $50 |
| 23:51.44 | SpeedEvil | I haven't seen a 3 axes gyro chip. |
| 23:52.34 | kito_ | have you seen the IDG300? |
| 23:53.41 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right, no I hadn't. |
| 23:54.29 | kito_ | It's good stuff - I suppose |
| 23:54.38 | kito_ | I haven't had time to do a lot of testing with it |
| 23:54.57 | SpeedEvil | Night. |
| 23:55.02 | kito_ | 'nite |