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| 00:31.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Talk:Look_%26_Feel]] [[User:Kpr]] |
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| 00:47.36 | jeremyb | ddo you know what version of bugzilla you're running? |
| 00:47.37 | aloril | jeremyb: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
| 00:47.41 | jeremyb | do* |
| 00:48.18 | jeremyb | aloril: i doubt that will help but i will look. btw, what kind of bot are you? ;) |
| 00:50.43 | CoreDump|afk | the (at times) annoying kind |
| 00:52.00 | jeremyb | hrmm |
| 00:52.08 | jeremyb | aloril appears to be xchat |
| 00:53.46 | CoreDump|afk | btw: the ext2 module is still not in the default image... |
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| 00:54.14 | jeremyb | so, where do i get one of these phones? |
| 00:54.33 | CoreDump|afk | currently you can't get one |
| 00:54.39 | CoreDump|afk | couter |
| 00:54.48 | CoreDump|afk | counter |
| 00:54.49 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 05:32:35 (11.231 +-11.2 days) (971,171) |
| 00:55.03 | CoreDump|afk | P1 == phone available for purchase |
| 00:56.15 | jeremyb | hrmm |
| 00:56.34 | jeremyb | negative connotations :( |
| 00:58.05 | jeremyb | so... what's all that math in the response mean? :P |
| 00:58.36 | CoreDump|afk | well, as a matter of fact I'm not sure =) |
| 00:58.53 | CoreDump|afk | there is no fixed release date yet |
| 00:58.59 | CoreDump|afk | only a timeframe |
| 00:59.20 | cjb | the math means "it'll be ready when it's done" :) |
| 00:59.52 | jeremyb | but no idea what the second set of parens means |
| 01:00.34 | CoreDump|afk | same here |
| 01:00.50 | jeremyb | In [2]: 971171./3600/24 |
| 01:00.50 | jeremyb | Out[2]: 11.240405092592594 |
| 01:02.09 | balrog-kun | the FAQ should include a whole fat section about the counter maths of this bot |
| 01:02.27 | jeremyb | he's not a bot |
| 01:02.32 | jeremyb | afaict |
| 01:02.33 | MacNorth_ | cos it's not long enough yet :-P |
| 01:02.34 | balrog-kun | now he is |
| 01:02.53 | jeremyb | someone's running a GUI IRC client as a bot? |
| 01:03.04 | balrog-kun | "How to interpret aloril output in one weekend" |
| 01:03.20 | libervisco | http://www.mobiliberty.com/mobile_gnu_linux_support_forums_now_open |
| 01:03.26 | jeremyb | he could be lying of course |
| 01:04.29 | jeremyb | anyway i must say that your mediawiki has a nice install. pretty URLs and the whole works whereas bugzilla has a bunch of URLs that don't even work |
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| 01:08.41 | CoreDump|afk | jeremyb: bugzilla doesn't even have xml support sigh |
| 01:10.00 | jeremyb | yes it does |
| 01:10.22 | CoreDump|afk | the OM doesn't |
| 01:10.33 | jeremyb | OM? |
| 01:10.50 | jeremyb | oh |
| 01:10.50 | CoreDump|afk | openmoko |
| 01:11.15 | jeremyb | well, i'm having trouble figuring out what version you're using |
| 01:11.38 | jeremyb | it's either a really weird installation (which it is anyway :P) or it's a really old version |
| 01:11.42 | jeremyb | how old is OM? |
| 01:11.54 | CoreDump|afk | kinda young actually |
| 01:12.10 | CoreDump|afk | IIRC it's the version that ships w/ debian stable |
| 01:12.16 | jeremyb | oh |
| 01:12.39 | jeremyb | that's prolly got something to do with the ugly URLs |
| 01:12.45 | CoreDump|afk | =) |
| 01:12.47 | jeremyb | did you use debian mediawiki? |
| 01:13.04 | CoreDump|afk | dunno, I'm not directly involved w/ OM |
| 01:13.20 | jeremyb | k |
| 01:13.46 | jeremyb | yeah, looks like someone did a local mod |
| 01:13.48 | CoreDump|afk | jeremyb: IIRC zecke can answer your questions (or point you into the right direction) |
| 01:14.19 | jeremyb | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/config.cgi is a 404 but it's there at http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=bugzilla&version=stable&arch=all |
| 01:14.41 | jeremyb | (config.cgi would usually have the version number) |
| 01:17.14 | jeremyb | CoreDump|afk: ever seen real core memory? ;) |
| 01:17.26 | CoreDump|afk | jeremyb: nahh |
| 01:17.44 | CoreDump|afk | but I read about it somewhere... =) |
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| 01:20.42 | CoreDump|afk | ~lart fbreader |
| 01:20.42 | apt | follow's fbreader with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
| 01:21.36 | jeremyb | actually now that i think about it your mods prolly required non trivial mods to the files from the bugzilla package |
| 01:22.13 | jeremyb | (what do you do when stable gets a new bugzilla release?) |
| 01:23.13 | jeremyb | anyway... |
| 01:23.20 | jeremyb | CoreDump|afk: tell me what kind of xml you want |
| 01:23.44 | CoreDump|afk | jeremyb: just the normal XML export of search queries and stuff |
| 01:23.53 | jeremyb | oh, that's simple |
| 01:24.25 | CoreDump|afk | I know, bugzilla supports it already but the OM guys won't install it :\ |
| 01:24.35 | CoreDump|afk | !ombug 100 |
| 01:24.35 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 100, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 01:24.37 | cdbot2 | * * laforge(AT)openmoko.org: Implement Cell Broadcast support |
| 01:24.37 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=100 |
| 01:24.53 | jeremyb | it doesn't need installation... |
| 01:26.17 | jeremyb | ok... OM's just plain weird |
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| 01:30.12 | CoreDump|afk | ok, fbreader on the neo is a no-go |
| 01:32.10 | jeremyb | so, how does cdbot2 get it's data? |
| 01:32.25 | jeremyb | this is really weird |
| 01:32.40 | jeremyb | CoreDump|afk: how sure are you that it's the latest in debian stable? |
| 01:32.53 | CoreDump|afk | jeremyb: not really sure |
| 01:33.06 | jeremyb | CoreDump|afk: i think it's the current version from oldstable :( |
| 01:33.09 | CoreDump|afk | and cdbot2 does some very ugly html parsing for ombug.... |
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| 01:33.56 | CoreDump|afk | oebug OTOH uses xml exports which is much simpler and more robust |
| 01:34.00 | CoreDump|afk | !oebug 100 |
| 01:34.02 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 100, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: 2005-06-15 13:28 |
| 01:34.03 | cdbot2 | * * Patrick.Ohly(AT)gmx.de: rootfs_ipk.bbclass: invalid shell syntax |
| 01:34.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100 |
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| 01:42.31 | jeremyb | CoreDump|afk: how does it get the xml? |
| 01:42.40 | jeremyb | oh |
| 01:42.41 | jeremyb | nm |
| 01:42.45 | jeremyb | different project |
| 01:46.41 | aevin | jeremyb: btw, about parsing the last numbers in the counter output of aloril -- the first number in that last parenthesis counts the number of times the counter info has been requested. don't know about the last one. |
| 01:46.46 | aevin | counter |
| 01:46.46 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 05:06:37 (11.213 +-11.2 days) (972,171) |
| 01:46.59 | aevin | now it is 972 (previous: 971) |
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| 01:51.08 | jeremyb_ | ahh |
| 01:51.22 | jeremyb_ | aevin: you know that really sounded like spam at first ;P |
| 01:51.45 | jeremyb_ | so, it's just a coincidence that it's the same number? |
| 01:51.58 | aevin | jeremyb_: yes, i was afraid of that, so I had to add some more relevance. |
| 01:53.22 | aevin | what do you mean by same number? i think it's supposed to be two comma separated integers. |
| 01:54.33 | jeremyb_ | did you see the little bit of math i pasted? |
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| 01:54.44 | aevin | i gues aloril can explain it all as soon as he wakes up/returns. and you're right: he's not a bot, he just wrote some scripts. |
| 01:55.51 | aevin | jeremyb_: ah, yes. i think it as a lucky coincidence. besides, you've got some decimal deviation ;-) (but very close) |
| 01:56.26 | jeremyb_ | deviation? |
| 01:57.00 | jeremyb_ | i was assuming that the bot was rounding... |
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| 02:18.55 | SpeedEvil | Comma is not a decimal/thousands seperator everywhere |
| 02:19.25 | jeremyb_ | it's pretty universal on the internet IME |
| 02:19.48 | jeremyb_ | but maybe that's got something to do with being universally english :P |
| 02:26.24 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Calendar]] [[Stylus_Scrolling]] [[Wishlist:context_based_to-do_list]] |
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| 03:16.30 | aloril | didn't want to waste space by adding space ;-) |
| 03:16.31 | aloril | counter |
| 03:16.31 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 04:21:44 (11.182 +-11.2 days) (971;174) |
| 03:16.33 | aloril | better? |
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| 03:33.11 | ppc970 | aloril: is there any news about wifi support? |
| 03:33.11 | aloril | When version 1 was designed there was no sufficiently low-power WiFi chip available which has an open driver. You can attach (battery) powered USB hub to Neo1973 and then use supported WiFi USB stick. Also some model later this year probably will include WiFi. For more information see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F |
| 03:33.28 | ppc970 | uh, a bot |
| 03:33.28 | ppc970 | heh |
| 03:33.39 | aloril | hehe, need to update that |
| 03:35.01 | aloril | ppc970: one has been selected for P1.5, but which one is still secret (one of 2 options) |
| 03:35.01 | ppc970 | is possible that final revision will get wifi? i´ve been reading about some progress in that field |
| 03:35.18 | ppc970 | wow, cool :) |
| 03:36.47 | ppc970 | i can´t wait, but my credit card says that i really need to wait |
| 03:39.05 | aloril | wifi? |
| 03:39.06 | aloril | P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K or Marvell 8686): http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/03/25#20070325-returning_from_taipei |
| 03:40.02 | ppc970 | :)~ |
| 03:40.07 | aloril | wifi? |
| 03:40.07 | aloril | P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K or Marvell 8686): http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/03/25#20070325-returning_from_taipei http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F |
| 03:44.17 | SuN | Hm, isn't "likely" prone to give false hope? |
| 03:44.30 | SuN | Maybe "possibly" is more appropriate. |
| 03:45.58 | aloril | actually at IRC it was said it sure |
| 03:46.58 | jeremyb | aloril: :) |
| 03:47.26 | SuN | Really? |
| 03:47.27 | SuN | Nice. |
| 03:47.53 | aloril | <cbrake> LaF0rge: has the wifi chip selection been made for the neo yet? |
| 03:47.53 | aloril | <LaF0rge> cbrake: yes, for the time being |
| 03:47.53 | aloril | <cbrake> LaF0rge: is this public information? |
| 03:47.53 | aloril | <LaF0rge> cbrake: well, that the selection has been made: yes. but which one: no |
| 03:48.16 | aloril | well.. at least this is how I interpret above ;-) |
| 03:48.39 | aloril | so.. given above and link I think its not too strong word to say "likely" (is it?) |
| 03:49.07 | SuN | Hm, that does put things in a different perspective. |
| 03:49.18 | SuN | Unless brake is just a troll :D |
| 03:49.29 | SuN | nm |
| 03:50.01 | aloril | that was 3 days ago |
| 03:50.42 | aloril | in any case this info will be sure when P1 is available (and discount too) so you can make then informed decision |
| 03:51.33 | jeremyb | how much are they supposed to cost? |
| 03:55.02 | jeremyb | aloril: can other people play with your factoids? |
| 03:55.07 | aloril | wifi? |
| 03:55.07 | aloril | P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K or Marvell 8686): http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/03/25#20070325-returning_from_taipei http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F (WiFi status for P1.5 will be known for sure when P1 becomes available and also what kind of discount for P1.5 is given for P1 buyers) |
| 03:55.36 | aloril | well.. only for counter currently |
| 03:56.09 | jeremyb | no, i mean can people change the definitions |
| 03:56.33 | jeremyb | k |
| 03:56.36 | jeremyb | cost? |
| 03:56.49 | aloril | cost of P1.5, haven't heard anything |
| 03:56.58 | jeremyb | aloril: cost? |
| 03:57.00 | jeremyb | aloril: wifi |
| 03:57.00 | aloril | P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K or Marvell 8686): http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/03/25#20070325-returning_from_taipei http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F (WiFi status for P1.5 will be known for sure when P1 becomes available and also what kind of discount for P1.5 is given for P1 buyers) |
| 03:57.02 | jeremyb | aloril: wifi? |
| 03:57.02 | aloril | P1.5 will likely have WiFi (Atheros AR6K or Marvell 8686): http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/2007/03/25#20070325-returning_from_taipei http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_What_is_the_rationale_behind_the_exclusion_of_WiFi.3F (WiFi status for P1.5 will be known for sure when P1 becomes available and also what kind of discount for P1.5 is given for P1 buyers) |
| 03:57.12 | jeremyb | hrmm |
| 03:57.13 | jeremyb | lag? |
| 03:57.23 | ppc970 | no, script |
| 03:57.27 | ppc970 | heh |
| 03:57.30 | aloril | no script for cost ;-) |
| 03:57.49 | jeremyb | you wrote a separate script for each one? |
| 03:57.57 | jeremyb | why not just get a bot? |
| 03:57.57 | aloril | this is actually trigger if newbie (==nick that hasn't talked earlier) that triggers for certain keywords |
| 03:58.19 | aloril | not really, I just listed what should trigger |
| 03:59.12 | jeremyb | aren't T-Mobile and Cingular the same company now? |
| 03:59.15 | aloril | wifi, camera trigger specific responses, other trigger faq response (if nick that has not seen earlier asks question during first 15 minutes) |
| 03:59.42 | ppc970 | wasn´t cingular bought by at&t? |
| 03:59.59 | aloril | (only once though ;-) |
| 04:00.02 | Clint | no, cingular changed its name to at&t |
| 04:00.15 | ppc970 | errr |
| 04:00.33 | ppc970 | well, maybe novell ´change´ their name to ´microsoft´ |
| 04:00.35 | Clint | well, it's more complicated than that |
| 04:00.54 | jeremyb | haha |
| 04:01.01 | ppc970 | you don´t change your name like that |
| 04:01.23 | ppc970 | at&t take over |
| 04:01.39 | ppc970 | or something like that |
| 04:05.05 | ppc970 | oh... AT&T Inc != AT&T Corp |
| 04:05.24 | ppc970 | what a mess |
| 04:06.02 | Clint | ppc970: cingular bought at&t ws, then sbc bought at&t |
| 04:07.37 | ppc970 | "Cingular Wireless was founded in 2001 as a joint venture of SBC Communications (now AT&T, Inc.), and BellSouth (which AT&T, Inc. acquired in 2006)" |
| 04:08.07 | ppc970 | from wikipedia |
| 04:09.22 | Clint | i thought it was originally houston cellular |
| 04:09.22 | ppc970 | so... why're we talking about carriers? :) |
| 04:10.18 | jeremyb | never even heard of houston cellular :P |
| 04:10.51 | Clint | clearly i'm in the wrong channel |
| 04:12.36 | ppc970 | heh |
| 04:12.44 | aloril | second number in counter is number of unique requests (different nicks with underscore removed) |
| 04:13.22 | jeremyb | aloril: so something like jeremyb` would be extra |
| 04:13.58 | jeremyb | Q: Does it come with a stylus? |
| 04:13.58 | jeremyb | A: Yes, but there's no holder for it on the phone. |
| 04:14.43 | jeremyb | Q: does it come with a slew of backup styluses and a carrying case? :P |
| 04:15.06 | jeremyb | (a case just for the styluses) |
| 04:15.25 | aloril | jeremyb: yes, but | also is not extra and also anything after - or | is not counted |
| 04:15.48 | aloril | jeremyb: stylus is longer than phone |
| 04:16.00 | jeremyb | oh |
| 04:16.09 | jeremyb | you've gone iPhone style? |
| 04:16.09 | ppc970 | i hope there´s no need for stylus for general use, including using the on-screen keyboard |
| 04:16.11 | jeremyb | :P |
| 04:19.01 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Calendar]] [[Applications]] [[Wish_List_-_Hardware]] |
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| 06:41.00 | wehttamb | counter? |
| 06:41.20 | wehttamb | counter |
| 06:42.03 | wehttamb | why isnt 'counter' working |
| 06:42.27 | wehttamb | ?counter |
| 06:42.30 | wehttamb | counter |
| 06:42.35 | wehttamb | ????????????????????? |
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| 06:53.01 | jeremyb | wehttamb: because the client that it runs in is not present |
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| 07:07.27 | Rakshasa | Morgen alle. |
| 07:07.40 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[UPS_Worldwide_Express_Saver]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] |
| 07:08.54 | Rakshasa | Is there any solution to the qemu kernel panic issue yet? =/ |
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| 07:20.52 | balrog-kun | Rakshasa: what's this issue? |
| 07:21.10 | balrog-kun | is there information about it somewhere on wiki or bugzilla? |
| 07:23.58 | koen | balrog-kun: I witnessed a kernel-panic on the devices as well when doing alsa-ctl, so it might not be qemu related |
| 07:24.16 | koen | (on marcel's bv4) |
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| 07:26.20 | Rakshasa | balrog-kun: kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 07:26.33 | Rakshasa | Seen others complain about it here too. |
| 07:27.39 | Rakshasa | make flash-qemu* gives lots of errors/warnings too, seemingly because the $mtdparts is not defined anywhere. |
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| 07:31.13 | balrog-kun | koen: oh i see, i'm going to look inot it tonight |
| 07:31.37 | balrog-kun | Rakshasa: this sound like a timing issue with the scripts, not with qemu |
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| 07:33.59 | balrog-kun | well, it booted and mounted the rootfs ok |
| 07:35.20 | balrog-kun | wow, new applications :D |
| 07:37.06 | Rakshasa | balrog-kun: Any idea what could run out-of-sync to cause the mtdparts not being defined? |
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| 07:39.07 | balrog-kun | Rakshasa: almost any issue with the script will end up with mtdparts not being defined, but it may be a timing issue - the script is not very safe, what needs to be added is parsing of the responses that u-boot gives in bash as now it assumes that every command has finished after some given time |
| 07:39.45 | balrog-kun | Rakshasa: what's your host OS? is it anything special like a virtual machine? |
| 07:40.27 | Rakshasa | balrog-kun: Just a 32-bit chroot, inside 64-bit Gentoo. |
| 07:42.27 | balrog-kun | i gotta run, bbl |
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| 07:50.32 | wehttamb | counter |
| 07:50.33 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 02:04:43 (11.087 +-11.1 days) (972;174) |
| 07:51.17 | wehttamb | counter? |
| 07:51.17 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week, 4 days 02:04:22 (11.086 +-11.1 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-02); 4 months, 3 weeks, 2 days (146.173 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (973;174) |
| 07:53.29 | hrw | morning |
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| 07:54.27 | wehttamb | its almost night here where i am |
| 07:54.28 | wehttamb | lol |
| 07:54.45 | koen | ~ugt |
| 07:54.47 | apt | i heard ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 07:55.25 | wehttamb | cool |
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| 08:00.35 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:01.47 | chreekat | another idea i've heard is to just assume gmt |
| 08:03.15 | chreekat | so good morning, i'm off to bed. ;) |
| 08:04.22 | Psi_ | so how is the neo going lately? Created more apps since last time i checked? (~month ago) |
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| 09:00.57 | Rakshasa | *phew* Qemu finally works. |
| 09:01.28 | ewon | counter |
| 09:01.28 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 01:29:16 (11.062 +-11.1 days) (974;174) |
| 09:06.05 | nnpiggy | Thanks, aloril. |
| 09:06.33 | aloril | Rakshasa: what was the problem? |
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| 09:08.39 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Help:Editing]] [[User_talk:Kpr]] |
| 09:13.05 | Rakshasa | aloril: I dunno actually. Most probably it was caused by the 32-bit chroot. I recompiled everything in the 64bit environment and qemu just started working. |
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| 09:47.39 | TRIsoft | morning |
| 09:47.44 | ewon | greets |
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| 09:51.23 | balrog-kun | ~gug |
| 09:51.30 | apt | gug is probably Generic Universal Greeting, used instead of the typical morning, afternoon, or evening greeting so as to disregard any timezone conficts |
| 09:51.39 | balrog-kun | ;) |
| 09:51.57 | TRIsoft | :D |
| 09:52.11 | balrog-kun | Rakshasa: glad to hear that it works. the script is still ugly and i'll need to fix it :/ |
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| 10:10.54 | xkr47 | counter |
| 10:10.54 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 00:54:33 (11.038 +-11.0 days) (975;174) |
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| 10:15.49 | Stephmw | mornin |
| 10:15.54 | ewon | o/ |
| 10:16.03 | abraxa_ | Hello thar |
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| 10:19.44 | Raja | http://www.pastebin.ca/453979 |
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| 10:26.02 | fledermaus | aloril: counter |
| 10:26.02 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 00:46:59 (11.033 +-11.0 days) (976;174) |
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| 10:26.51 | Raja | hello can any body help me to solve my problem |
| 10:30.09 | guaqua | not if you don't state your problem |
| 10:31.56 | fledermaus | well. we could suggest solutions at random. |
| 10:32.14 | ewon | "reboot" |
| 10:32.15 | raynet | i solve any kind of problem for money though it does involve a sledgehammer |
| 10:32.33 | fledermaus | raynet: are you a personal injury specialist? |
| 10:32.57 | raynet | fledermaus: i prefer injury stylist |
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| 10:51.45 | Sup3rkiddo | Raja, builds fine in my box |
| 10:53.10 | ewon | looks like you're missing files in your local copy of the code |
| 10:53.14 | ewon | try doing a fresh checkout of the code |
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| 11:07.40 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[UI_Improvements]] [[Category:User_Interfaces]] [[Help:Editing]] [[Help:Contents]] [[Category:Help]] [[Category:Applications]] [[OpenMoko_Wiki_Editing_Guidelines]] [[OpenMoko:Help]] |
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| 11:18.38 | quickdev | Servus |
| 11:18.42 | quickdev | counter |
| 11:18.42 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 4 days 00:20:39 (11.014 +-11.0 days) (977;174) |
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| 11:19.50 | quickdev | I tried to test the qemu-neo1973 emulator, but when I'm starting the kernel he's reporting: |
| 11:20.05 | quickdev | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 11:20.16 | quickdev | Does anyone know what the solution is? |
| 11:22.14 | koen | file a bug? |
| 11:22.50 | quickdev | koen: many others had this problem some days before |
| 11:23.01 | koen | so file a bug |
| 11:23.08 | quickdev | I think the flash.sh failed somehow - should I give you the output? |
| 11:23.18 | koen | add the output to the bug |
| 11:23.22 | quickdev | where can I file a bug? in the bugzilla/mailinglist? |
| 11:23.36 | koen | the only place to file bugs is bugzilla |
| 11:23.58 | Sup3rkiddo | i am not sure but i remember reading somehwere about changing some variables in flash.sh |
| 11:24.52 | Raja | quickdev:i also had this problem, but now i dont have it |
| 11:25.01 | quickdev | Raja: what did you do? |
| 11:26.06 | Raja | quickdev: while typing make first type make clean |
| 11:26.37 | Raja | then do make defconfig |
| 11:27.13 | quickdev | make defconfig? |
| 11:27.18 | Raja | after that do make bzImage or some thing u want do |
| 11:27.39 | quickdev | /mnt/new/qemu-neo1973# make defconfig |
| 11:27.39 | quickdev | make: *** No rule to make target `defconfig'. Sto |
| 11:27.51 | Raja | ya make defconfig |
| 11:28.25 | Sup3rkiddo | quickdev, wait a sec...are you having the Makefile or only qemu images? |
| 11:28.49 | quickdev | openmoko/download.sh downloaded only the images as far as i know |
| 11:28.49 | Sup3rkiddo | s/Makefile/Openmoko build |
| 11:29.10 | Sup3rkiddo | quickdev, ah..so i dont think make defconfig will work.. |
| 11:29.24 | quickdev | it obviously doens't ;) |
| 11:29.25 | Sup3rkiddo | any make infact |
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| 11:30.32 | quickdev | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU - How to get it running - Building the environment manually |
| 11:30.40 | quickdev | that's the instructions I used |
| 11:30.44 | quickdev | *that are |
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| 11:31.20 | Sup3rkiddo | quickdev, try reflashing the stuff until it works ;P...thats what i did |
| 11:31.45 | quickdev | I already did it almost 10 times in the last few days ;) |
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| 11:38.09 | balrog-kun | the flash.sh script sucks, it needs to be fixed |
| 11:38.36 | balrog-kun | make defconfig is a kernel target, nothing to do with qemu |
| 11:44.10 | quickdev | ok - balrog-kun, does the process work with MokoMakefile make qemu? |
| 11:46.45 | balrog-kun | quickdev: it generally works, regardless of whether MokoMakefile is used |
| 11:47.13 | balrog-kun | but on systems with some strange timing like in virtual machines it may fail |
| 11:47.50 | quickdev | timing won't be the cause of a kernel panic, or am I wrong? |
| 11:48.41 | balrog-kun | the panic is because there's no rootfs and this is because it hasn't been written to flash because the script failed, due to timing |
| 11:49.04 | quickdev | ahh.. |
| 11:49.23 | balrog-kun | ofcourse there may be real panics too, |
| 11:49.27 | balrog-kun | if you supply a buggy kernel |
| 11:52.31 | quickdev | balrog-kun: How can I set the correct timing in order to get it run? |
| 11:54.21 | balrog-kun | i don't know what's going wrong on your computer, it always worked for me |
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| 11:54.42 | balrog-kun | but if you issue the u-boot commands manually then it should always work |
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| 12:00.00 | quickdev | balrog-kun: how can I enter into the uboot console? |
| 12:00.39 | balrog-kun | quickdev: it's on the first serial port |
| 12:01.01 | balrog-kun | add -serial stdio or press ctrl-alt-3 to go to ttyS0 |
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| 12:03.14 | quickdev | balrog-kun: which wiki page describes the instructions to flash everything? |
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| 12:06.10 | balrog-kun | quickdev: the site you looked at, and the ones linked from it |
| 12:06.29 | balrog-kun | e.g [[Devirginator]] and bad blocks migration |
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| 12:09.25 | OlmLorphos | is there a log of this channel available? |
| 12:09.26 | aloril | OlmLorphos: See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ (Hopefully this link answers your question. This autotrigger for new nick and question during first 15 minutes done only once.) |
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| 12:26.44 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 23:46:38 (10.991 +-11.0 days) (978;174) |
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| 12:41.28 | Sup3rkiddo | hey guys trying to build the qemu image but getting this http://rafb.net/p/OWfwl146.html |
| 12:41.35 | Sup3rkiddo | known bug? |
| 12:41.43 | koen | what does bugzilla say? |
| 12:41.51 | koen | if it isn't in bugzilla it isn't a known bug |
| 12:42.31 | koen | (note that your paste doesn't contain any error message) |
| 12:43.03 | MetaMorfoziS | counter |
| 12:43.03 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 23:38:28 (10.985 +-11.0 days) (979;174) |
| 12:43.04 | Sup3rkiddo | oh lol...sorry wrong redirection operator |
| 12:43.46 | Sup3rkiddo | http://rafb.net/p/xrMt6f61.html |
| 12:43.49 | Sup3rkiddo | here it is |
| 12:44.13 | koen | Sup3rkiddo: did you look in bugzilla yet? |
| 12:44.52 | Sup3rkiddo | koen, yeah..i used the op_iwmmxt_movq_wRn_M0 keyword (weird name for a function) |
| 12:45.37 | Sup3rkiddo | looks like i will file a bug report..maybe work on it as well |
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| 12:48.23 | Sup3rkiddo | koen, what component should i specify now OE bitbake recipes/build system? |
| 12:48.39 | koen | ? |
| 12:49.30 | koen | Sup3rkiddo: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=OpenMoko |
| 12:50.50 | Sup3rkiddo | koen, yeah from there in the "component" box,,,since this is related to qemu i will choose build system |
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| 12:51.38 | koen | Sup3rkiddo: it isn't in the buildsystem or OE |
| 12:51.57 | Sup3rkiddo | koen, then Host software? |
| 12:51.58 | koen | Applications & deps would be a better category |
| 12:52.09 | koen | (or pester them to add a 'qemu' ) |
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| 12:52.25 | Sup3rkiddo | koen, ok..i like the second idea better ;) |
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| 13:07.40 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Finger]] [[Stylus]] [[Category:Widget]] [[Widgets]] [[Applications]] [[Look_%26_Feel]] |
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| 13:46.14 | Rakshasa | http://pallokorva.org/moko.jpg << the colours I personally would like to see Neo1973 in... =P |
| 13:46.48 | Rince | too dark imho |
| 13:49.02 | madwoota | dark colours show every fingerprint :( |
| 13:49.41 | Rakshasa | madwoota: That |
| 13:50.09 | Rakshasa | madwoota: That's why there are all kinds of rags to wipe the surfaces... |
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| 14:04.53 | cheesy | how realistic is the aloril counter? |
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| 14:06.04 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 22:56:57 (10.956 +-11.0 days) (982;174) |
| 14:09.08 | Rakshasa | cheesy: pure guess. |
| 14:09.29 | cheesy | pure waiting here! ;) |
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| 14:11.15 | CSDexter | Hello everyone, does any of you know if there is (or will be) a special working group for the GPS Mapping part of OpenMoko? |
| 14:11.28 | CSDexter | I would really be interested in contributing time and knowledge in that part. |
| 14:11.33 | ewon | it's called Random Bastards from GpsDrive(tm) |
| 14:11.53 | koen | heh |
| 14:12.05 | koen | I don't think we want gpsdrive people working on that |
| 14:12.12 | CSDexter | :) |
| 14:12.26 | koen | Time's better spent on getting maemo-mapper to work on openmoko |
| 14:12.29 | ewon | hey, gpsdrive got accross europe, twice |
| 14:12.34 | ewon | *me accross |
| 14:12.45 | ewon | although its routing capabilities are nill |
| 14:13.04 | CSDexter | koen, ewon> I'm not looking forward to starting a flame :) |
| 14:13.17 | koen | ever looked at gpsdrive code? |
| 14:13.20 | CSDexter | I just wanted to know if anyone is already on the job |
| 14:13.20 | koen | if pda |
| 14:13.21 | koen | a |
| 14:13.25 | koen | if desktop |
| 14:13.25 | koen | b |
| 14:13.31 | koen | if something else |
| 14:13.31 | koen | c |
| 14:13.34 | koen | and on |
| 14:14.03 | koen | CSDexter: use maemo-mapper and you'll forget gspdrive ever existed |
| 14:14.12 | ewon | koen: yeah, I have.. it's..... suboptimal in places |
| 14:16.45 | CSDexter | koen> (do forgive my momentary ignorance) can maemo-mapper record tracks? |
| 14:17.01 | koen | yes |
| 14:17.10 | koen | that's what I use it for :) |
| 14:17.16 | koen | it saves directly to gpx |
| 14:17.47 | ewon | yeah, looking at mapper it probably suits Moko's needs better than gpsdrive |
| 14:18.04 | ewon | although I've seen gpsdrive work on stuff as lowly as a Zaurus SL-5600 |
| 14:18.21 | koen | I know |
| 14:18.32 | koen | Guess who maintained gpsdrive in OE for a while |
| 14:18.38 | koen | <- |
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| 14:18.50 | CSDexter | Hmm, (I'm fetching and parsing it's documentation as we speak), it seems GMaps-oriented. |
| 14:19.16 | CSDexter | What if I want to develop support for third-party datasets? Such as a reverse-engineered Garmin MapSource (IMG) reader? |
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| 14:20.24 | koen | they added support for openstreetmap tiles a while ago |
| 14:20.43 | koen | CSDexter: send a mail the the maemo-mapper mailinglist (if they have such a thing) |
| 14:20.59 | koen | mailing John C also works pretty well |
| 14:21.25 | CSDexter | koen> I shall try that sometime later today (or tonight, timezone permitting :D ) |
| 14:22.06 | CSDexter | koen> What I had in mind (as I wrote on the wiki) was a plugin architecture because even though HTTP GET is neat and sexy, not everyone will afford GPRS (or even find themselves) |
| 14:22.20 | CSDexter | within the coverage area of any GPRS-capable cell while hiking. |
| 14:22.33 | koen | CSDexter: I have 800MB worth of cached gmaps on my SD |
| 14:22.38 | koen | which maemo-mapper uses |
| 14:22.48 | CSDexter | So, it would be a *lot* better if I could just have the maps locally. |
| 14:22.48 | koen | (since I had no GPRS last week in CA) |
| 14:23.25 | SrRaven | where can I find the wikipage for the phonebook? |
| 14:23.58 | CSDexter | And JPEG maps doesn't sound too good either. I understand that the current Neo1973 does not have a FPU (and as such vector graphics are rather out-of-limits) |
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| 14:24.15 | CSDexter | but, at least for the future, at least *some* kind of vector maps should be supported |
| 14:24.20 | Vegar | CSDexter: A MapSource reader would rock |
| 14:24.28 | CSDexter | Vegar> I know ;) |
| 14:24.38 | Vegar | I have quite a few of those somewhere on a CD |
| 14:24.56 | CSDexter | I also know Garmin would not like it too much ... but who cares? I paid for my maps, I cand do whatever with them! |
| 14:25.41 | Vegar | much like the DVD case |
| 14:25.46 | CSDexter | yep |
| 14:26.47 | CSDexter | koen> Thank you for the information (I have just read that GPSDrive only supports raster as well -- too bad), I'll try and find my way from here. |
| 14:26.59 | Vegar | http://daveb.net/mapsource/ |
| 14:27.04 | Vegar | looks like someone's been working on that |
| 14:27.50 | CSDexter | OMG, he reverse engineered the format by himself :( |
| 14:28.02 | CSDexter | Does he not know that there is already work done on the subject |
| 14:28.10 | CSDexter | and that the PDF file is available free |
| 14:28.11 | CSDexter | just Google it? |
| 14:28.11 | koen | NIH |
| 14:28.12 | CSDexter | :)) |
| 14:29.45 | CSDexter | ok, I'm out of here. See you all next time. Neo1973 rocks! |
| 14:29.46 | CSDexter | :D |
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| 14:49.57 | SrRaven | where can I find the wikipage for the phonebook? |
| 14:51.27 | Vegar | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Contacts |
| 14:51.29 | Vegar | that one? |
| 14:51.30 | koen | you mean openmomo-contacts? |
| 14:51.30 | SpeedEvil | zhttp://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Contacts |
| 14:51.36 | koen | moko* |
| 14:51.40 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:52.05 | SrRaven | thanks been looking for over 10 minutes |
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| 15:08.39 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Wishlist:Text_Input]] |
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| 15:37.29 | SrRaven | meh i hate having a load of ideas for programms on openmoko but not having the slightest idea how to code |
| 15:39.46 | thomasg__ | SrRaven, maybe you can remunerate programmers which can bring your ideas to programs? :) |
| 15:40.33 | SrRaven | remunerate...thats a word I dont even know :P |
| 15:40.48 | cbaird | Hmm.. Do a BASIC v2.0 port to the 'Moko... for that VIC20 coding love. |
| 15:41.31 | cbaird | (although I expect the ?onboard Python would have the modules for the phone's features) |
| 15:41.56 | SrRaven | allthough I think a websites rss feed can solve that or a weekly task manager |
| 15:42.03 | balrog-kun | Sup3rkiddo: yes, it's a known problem |
| 15:42.24 | balrog-kun | iirc it's when you're compiling with gcc 4.0 or something else with gcc |
| 15:42.44 | Stephmw | SrRaven: time to learn to code ;-) |
| 15:43.11 | Sup3rkiddo | balrog-kun, oh...but the make automatically switches gcc32... |
| 15:43.50 | balrog-kun | Sup3rkiddo: so you're using gcc32? |
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| 15:44.18 | Sup3rkiddo | balrog-kun, wait a sec..lol..that stands for 32 bit doesnt it? |
| 15:44.25 | balrog-kun | i've seen this error before in someone's report (unrelated to openmoko) but don't rmeember what the solution was |
| 15:44.57 | balrog-kun | Sup3rkiddo: oh, heh, that's possible |
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| 15:45.25 | thomasg__ | Sup3rkiddo, yes, gcc32 stands for 32 bit gcc |
| 15:45.38 | Sup3rkiddo | balrog-kun, yup..-v confirmed it |
| 15:45.40 | balrog-kun | the right executable is named gcc-3.3.6 on my system |
| 15:45.52 | SrRaven | Stephmw I am learning java because I have to in IT class |
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| 15:48.29 | Stephmw | SrRaven: good news is, there's a market for that skill... bad news is, not yet much in openmoko ;) |
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| 15:50.50 | SrRaven | good news is,the teacher is dumb,bad news is,I hate it |
| 15:54.07 | SuN | Java is pretty. Too bad you can't viably make executables though. |
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| 15:55.26 | cbaird | As it is, I'm up until 2am every night trying to keep up with the open-ended projects I've already got. :/ |
| 15:55.47 | koen | heh |
| 15:55.49 | koen | doubt it |
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| 15:56.15 | SrRaven | would suck if not |
| 15:57.43 | Sup3rkiddo | what is the correct method to add my own application to the final image...i kept the bb's in a folder in oe/packages..the recipe is getting parsed but not getting built..what am i missing? |
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| 16:07.08 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week, 3 days 21:56:26 (10.914 +-10.9 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-03); 4 months, 3 weeks, a day (145.828 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (984;174) |
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| 17:08.39 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[User_talk:Csdexter]] |
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| 17:39.00 | PBeck | hi |
| 17:39.40 | SrRaven | mosche |
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| 17:39.58 | PBeck | hi SrRaven |
| 17:40.00 | PBeck | hi kiney |
| 17:40.07 | kiney | hi |
| 17:40.08 | SrRaven | hi pbeck |
| 17:43.08 | abraxa_ | Ser's |
| 17:45.02 | SrRaven | serv |
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| 18:22.18 | LittleIdiot | any new speculations on the developer release date yet? ;) |
| 18:23.24 | high-rez | I'm guessing May 15 |
| 18:23.41 | LittleIdiot | hmmkay, thanks |
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| 18:34.06 | Sufflope | counter? |
| 18:34.06 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 source: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile ; P0: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Neo1973_P0_Review; a week, 3 days 20:42:57 (10.863 +-10.9 days) for devices for *ANYBODY* for $350 (targeting developers) (preorders: not yet) (2007-05-03); 4 months, 3 weeks, a day (145.726 +-15.0 days) for mass market (2007-09-15): see topic for more info (985;174) |
| 18:34.07 | Sufflope | :) |
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| 18:38.31 | Rio79 | why would anyone want to get the developer release |
| 18:38.50 | balrog-kun | to develop |
| 18:38.51 | Rio79 | because it seems like it may still have a few quirks to work out |
| 18:39.00 | SpeedEvil | To develop. |
| 18:39.22 | SpeedEvil | And because for some things it's the best thing out there. |
| 18:39.40 | Rio79 | doesnt a company typically pay beta testers to try out their devices? |
| 18:40.08 | SpeedEvil | I can write in several dozen lines of script a GPS logging and emailing application, that is not easily available in other places. |
| 18:40.11 | Rio79 | rather than allowing people to buy it before it is actually released.... |
| 18:40.26 | SpeedEvil | The idea is to get the hardware working. |
| 18:40.33 | SpeedEvil | Then release it with beta software. |
| 18:40.48 | SpeedEvil | The software gets updated through and past general release. |
| 18:41.28 | Rio79 | then whats the benefit of consumers to buy it early, other than being able to say they got it before the actual release date when some of the hardware isnt really quite working yet |
| 18:41.55 | SpeedEvil | For your average consumer, none. |
| 18:42.08 | Rio79 | what im saying is... why buy it when a typical company may pay beta testers to try it out |
| 18:42.15 | SpeedEvil | For developers who are interested in doing things that are not possible with existing phones, ... |
| 18:42.19 | Rio79 | seems backwards |
| 18:42.22 | paulproteus | Rio79, I want the developer release! |
| 18:42.31 | paulproteus | And I imagine there are ca. 200 people around here who also do. |
| 18:42.48 | paulproteus | I've been holding my breath for this since about January. My face is a deep purple color now. |
| 18:43.18 | MacNorthOSX | Rio79: there are a few paid alpha testers |
| 18:43.18 | Rio79 | hahah |
| 18:43.25 | LittleIdiot | i'm not a consumer ;) |
| 18:43.35 | Rio79 | yeah, id like one as well.. haha |
| 18:43.59 | Rio79 | so, instead of buying one, how do you become an alpha tester |
| 18:44.15 | SpeedEvil | Find a time-machine. |
| 18:44.33 | SpeedEvil | The alpha tester group has already been picked. |
| 18:44.34 | LittleIdiot | i'd program software for it, see & test what's missing and add a 433mhz transceiver to have a "remote control" for my home ;) |
| 18:44.37 | MacNorthOSX | you would've had to have been a demi-god in hardware, software, and embedded devices |
| 18:44.52 | SpeedEvil | Or a 'celebrity'. |
| 18:45.01 | paulproteus | Sadly, /me is neither ("yet!"). |
| 18:45.16 | Rio79 | for the people that buy it early, do they get a discount once it is actually released? |
| 18:45.21 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 18:45.35 | Rio79 | how much of a discount |
| 18:45.38 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 18:45.58 | Rince | counter |
| 18:45.58 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 20:37:01 (10.859 +-10.9 days) (986;175) |
| 18:46.39 | Rio79 | hrmm...seems like it would be better to wait to see which turns out better, the iphone or openmoko |
| 18:46.48 | Rince | Rio79: that depends on what you want to do |
| 18:47.03 | Rince | if you want a smooth system which syncs with apple stuff, take an iPhone |
| 18:47.16 | Rince | if you want to have _your_ apps on it (missing gps-maps :), take the Neo1973 |
| 18:47.35 | MacNorthOSX | depends on your defintion of 'better'. for some, there is no need to wait :) |
| 18:47.40 | jeremyb | the biggest drawback of the iPhone IMO is prohibiting unapproved apps |
| 18:47.51 | Rince | *nod* |
| 18:48.07 | jeremyb | although that will prolly be hacked |
| 18:48.16 | paulproteus | I hope it isn't. |
| 18:48.24 | jeremyb | why? |
| 18:49.02 | LittleIdiot | iphone is no option for me. it's a) far more expensive and b) won't run this special piece of software i'm developing to extend my "homezone" to entire germany, not only 5km radius |
| 18:49.17 | paulproteus | It decreases the incentive to use truly Free hardware. |
| 18:49.26 | paulproteus | jeremyb, Same problem as with people warezing MS Office. |
| 18:49.36 | Rio79 | i guess a lot of you are programmers, no? |
| 18:50.07 | thresh | nowai |
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| 18:50.15 | cjb | eww, programmers. |
| 18:50.21 | jeremyb | ohh |
| 18:53.30 | Rio79 | does the phone come "unlocked" and ready for a sim card? |
| 18:53.37 | LittleIdiot | yes |
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| 18:56.30 | SrRaven | its quad band right? |
| 18:56.37 | LittleIdiot | yep |
| 18:56.47 | SrRaven | fancy |
| 18:57.54 | chreekat | there's no technical/legal reason it doesn't support cdma, right? I.e. it only supports gsm simply because that is the economical choice? |
| 18:58.05 | SpeedEvil | CDMA is a mess. |
| 18:58.13 | SpeedEvil | There is no widespread standard. |
| 18:58.27 | chreekat | ah |
| 18:58.27 | SpeedEvil | Phones have to be pretty much custom made for given networks. |
| 18:58.41 | SpeedEvil | GSM however, is global, once you've got quadband. |
| 18:58.51 | chreekat | yeah |
| 18:59.03 | SpeedEvil | And pretty much universal outside bits of the US and japan. |
| 19:02.42 | LarstiQ | isn't it also so there are no cdma + gsm capable chips available? |
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| 19:05.04 | guaqua | true |
| 19:05.16 | chreekat | the nokia site says that the n80 does "quadband edge/gsm + wcdma" |
| 19:05.29 | guaqua | wcdma is very different from cdma |
| 19:05.36 | chreekat | i thought someone might say that :-P> |
| 19:05.51 | guaqua | and wcdma, unlike cdma is used outside of the us and japan |
| 19:06.07 | guaqua | wcdma is a standard, like gsm |
| 19:06.45 | chreekat | I'm very new to the acronyms concerning mobile phones. I was blissfully ignorant until my old phone died a couple weeks ago |
| 19:06.55 | guaqua | :) |
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| 19:07.20 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 20:26:20 (10.852 +-10.9 days) (987;175) |
| 19:07.29 | guaqua | http://www.umts-forum.org/ |
| 19:09.41 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Calendar]] [[Buying_Interest_List]] [[User_talk:Kpr]] |
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| 19:17.41 | thomasg__ | guaqua, you are wrong. wcdma is a standard, thats true. but not like gsm. gsm USES the cdma standard and umts uses the wcdma standard, but its only a part of it. |
| 19:18.10 | chreekat | oh no, i've gone cross-eyed |
| 19:18.33 | guaqua | thomasg__: you are probably right. i don't know that much about them |
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| 19:20.38 | thomasg__ | well, (w)cdma is only the "way" how gsm or umts is transmitting data |
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| 19:53.58 | high-rez | thomasg: Actually you are wrong. GSM is TDMA, UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA are WCDMA, but not CDMA2000. |
| 19:55.08 | high-rez | GSM is 8 time slots in a 200khz block. |
| 19:55.50 | thomasg__ | high-rez, of course you're right. cdma is used partly in the states, but not in gsm. I was wrong |
| 19:56.16 | high-rez | GSM is used in the states. |
| 19:56.23 | high-rez | It's on the 850mhz band and the 1900mhz band in the USA. |
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| 19:58.52 | high-rez | Or maybe I didn't understand what you're saying, but traditional TDMA for non 3g calls is all Time Divison, not Code Division. |
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| 20:39.51 | balrog-kun | does someone happen to know what happened with the "dynpart" command in latest u-boot? |
| 20:44.11 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03andrew * r1813 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/flash.sh: |
| 20:44.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Properly convert filesizes to hex - thanks to Marcus Smith. Apparently |
| 20:44.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: some python versions' hex() adds a number width suffix. |
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| 20:59.38 | Vegar | was that the fix that was needed to fix those broken qemus? |
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| 21:03.15 | balrog-kun | Vegar: this was needed too, but there seems to be more breakage |
| 21:03.33 | Vegar | at least it doesn't panic anymore |
| 21:04.23 | balrog-kun | well, the panic was not qemu fault, and it may still happen |
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| 21:09.40 | aloril | (script) wiki RecentChanges: [[Help:Editing]] [[Templates]] [[Help:Contents]] [[Main_Page]] |
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| 21:32.36 | balrog-kun | anyone running latest u-boot build on the real device? the partition layout doesn't seem to be working |
| 21:33.19 | koen | I flashed r1804 today, which boots into userspace |
| 21:33.27 | koen | (could be pure luck of course) |
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| 21:34.34 | balrog-kun | koen: ok, then it's me |
| 21:34.51 | koen | if you're seeing problems, r1804 would be the culprit |
| 21:35.17 | balrog-kun | either that or it's only broken if you're starting with an empty u-boot environment, and works ok if you have partitions layout still set up from the previous versions (or from manufacturer) |
| 21:35.32 | koen | hmm |
| 21:35.44 | koen | the "dynamic part" thing might just cause such and effect |
| 21:36.15 | balrog-kun | i'm just going to hardcode the previous layout for now (instead of using "dynpart" which had some sane defaults earlier) |
| 21:44.28 | balrog-kun | it also stopped interpretting the "splashimage" variable on start |
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| 21:47.50 | balrog-kun | no, sorry, this time it's me :) |
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| 21:55.21 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 19:02:19 (10.793 +-10.8 days) (988;175) |
| 21:55.58 | parag0n | i hope the long wait isnt a sign of something bad happening to the project :/ |
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| 21:59.39 | MacNorthOSX | heh, think it sounds like the vista delays ? :-D |
| 21:59.44 | rycuda | There's been a lot of mention of issues with screen suppliers parag0n |
| 22:00.56 | parag0n | aw :/ |
| 22:01.24 | parag0n | i've been holding on for months using a crappy old nokia... i hope something happens soon :/ |
| 22:01.47 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03andrew * r1814 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/flash.sh: Hardcode a NAND partition layout to accommodate for current u-boot confusion. |
| 22:02.14 | Sufflope | you're not alone parag0n :) |
| 22:02.15 | rycuda | You're not alone parag0n I'm sat waiting on a mostly dead Nokia, hoping I can afford P1 and P1.5 |
| 22:02.42 | parag0n | at this rate, p1 and p1.5 will run iinto each other :P |
| 22:03.05 | Sufflope | anyway I read that some qemu-KP related fix was released... but I still experience the KP :( |
| 22:03.18 | Sufflope | I'm updating with MokoMakeFile right now |
| 22:03.53 | Sufflope | is there a chance that it could be related with git-1.4 (I updated it to 1.5 with Debian .deb but I'm running Ubuntu...) ? |
| 22:04.33 | Sufflope | shall I start other the whole MokoMakeFile stuff ? (it took around 10 hours so I'm not really fond of this idea :)) |
| 22:05.20 | balrog-kun | Sufflope: it was probably the script that flashes the NAND, in connection with last u-boot update - it should be better now |
| 22:05.26 | balrog-kun | i don't think git was a problem |
| 22:05.38 | MacNorthOSX | 1.4 was for sean on the list |
| 22:06.21 | balrog-kun | especially that the qemu code sits in a subversion repo |
| 22:14.14 | Sufflope | OK I'll try again |
| 22:14.30 | Sufflope | any lag between commits and when I can eventually get them ? |
| 22:15.44 | balrog-kun | i don't know how MokoMakefile works exactly - do you see it checking out the svn repository in the process? |
| 22:15.45 | balrog-kun | that would mean no lag |
| 22:17.08 | Sufflope | I indeed see some svn update -r HEAD lines |
| 22:17.29 | Sufflope | and some lines about mtn (but I know nothing about monotone) |
| 22:18.00 | Sufflope | (except it takes several hours to complete the first run :D) |
| 22:18.59 | balrog-kun | you shouldn't need a complete run now (i think) |
| 22:19.09 | balrog-kun | Makefiles are about not doing complete runs :) |
| 22:19.16 | Sufflope | no of course |
| 22:19.38 | Sufflope | I told that because beginning with an empty working dir would mean a second first run :) |
| 22:19.59 | balrog-kun | :) |
| 22:21.22 | Sufflope | I get a lot of signedness-like warnings about qemu-neo1973/hw/pax.h when making qemu |
| 22:21.42 | Sufflope | and some other files |
| 22:22.21 | balrog-kun | huh? there's no hw/pax.h here |
| 22:23.13 | Sufflope | oh |
| 22:23.25 | Sufflope | now I get a splash at boot :) |
| 22:23.29 | Sufflope | and many boot options |
| 22:23.36 | balrog-kun | like five? :) |
| 22:23.47 | Sufflope | I had Boot and Hardware Reset (or something like this) |
| 22:23.57 | Sufflope | and now 5 yeah |
| 22:24.09 | Sufflope | though I had rebuilt 10 minutes ago 8-) |
| 22:24.23 | Sufflope | before this last rebuild I mean |
| 22:27.07 | Sufflope | coool now it's booting :) |
| 22:27.22 | Sufflope | (why this Dropbear SSH server and not OpenSSH ?) |
| 22:28.05 | Sufflope | now, you dev, internationalize your apps so I have some fr.po files to write, and I can at last help the project, and I'll be in heaven :D |
| 22:28.33 | rycuda | Dropbear is a tiny DNS server Sufflope. Designed for embedded devices. |
| 22:28.39 | balrog-kun | every PDA or phone i've ever seen uses dropbear |
| 22:29.55 | Sufflope | did you mean DNS ?? |
| 22:30.04 | rycuda | Um no. |
| 22:30.08 | rycuda | SSH would be what I meant! |
| 22:30.12 | Sufflope | ok :) |
| 22:30.24 | rycuda | Heh. I think I might have just run out of energy for the day =/ |
| 22:31.09 | Sufflope | using it for OpenMoko ? if yes then you're forgiven :D |
| 22:31.53 | rycuda | Been rebuilding my desktop so I can start. Can't /quite/ get away with using a work laptop for FLOSS stuff on my contract. |
| 22:32.36 | Sufflope | ok, sad but that makes sense :) |
| 22:37.20 | rycuda | Still I've a nice shiny Feisty install install now and at least I can safely work on FLOSS stuff with my current job, so not so bad. |
| 22:41.34 | rycuda | Night all. |
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| 22:50.04 | aloril | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973 P1 guess: a week, 3 days 18:34:58 (10.774 +-10.8 days) (989;176) |
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| 23:43.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1815 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/artwork/themes/ (4 files in 2 dirs): themes: add support for mokoscrolledpane (successor to mokodetailswindow) |
| 23:44.55 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1816 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/openmoko-libs/ (7 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-libs: add MokoScrolledPane (successor to MokoDetailsWindow) |
| 23:45.23 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r1817 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007/examples/ (examples.pro openmoko-stylus-demo/src/demo-main.c): examples: use MokoScrolledPane for both panes |
